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All right, welcome and thank you for joining us for today's September 17th SB CAG Board meeting. For the record I am Bob Nelson and Chair of SB CAG Board. Madam Clerk please call the roll.
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Okay at this time in the meeting it is time for public comment. These are for items that are not on today's agenda. Madam Clerk do we have any members of the public who would like to speak on general public comment today?
We have one speaker, Francis Romero and if there are any attendees on Zoom who wish to speak would you please use the raise hand feature and I will call upon you.
Welcome Mr. Romero
Well good morning everyone. Chair Nelson, Directors, staff members of the public my name is Frances Romero I used to be an SBCAG member. I have a couple of comments regarding my community the city of Guadalupe first the traffic between Santa Maria and Guadalupe is absolutely unbearable between now the hours of 2 15 and 5 36 o'clock it has taken me up to 55 minutes to drive 10 miles Think about what would happen if an emergency vehicle is trying to transport someone by ambulance to get someone to Marion Medical in time for the golden hour. They're kind of out of luck.
I know you're aware of this problem it's been a problem for decades, I know it's being studied but it is an emergency Add to that the fact that a fabulous investment is being made on Highway 1 both north and south of us, which causes further bottlenecks and delays for every citizen in Guadalupe trying to get out of town. And then Beterravia it's not much better.
Add to that the condition of Beterravia and the intersection of Highway 1 and 166 at some point I'm going to have to turn a receipt in for alignment for my vehicle. I'm also here today to talk about responsibility and accountability for Measure A and gas tax funds. Some of you may have seen my op-ed in the paper, and I'm sad to say that my community for the last 10 years has failed to again appropriately manage special and restricted funds.
You have some say over Measure A and gas tax funds. Our city has been operating without a audited financials, no audited financials since 2021. Who does that? Who of you sitting here balances your checkbook once every five or six years? I know that you can't fix the problems with Guadalupe. However, we currently do have a competent city administrator and finance director that have drawn a line in the sand about doing things the right way but you do have some peer pressure you can exert and you do have some oversight for measuring gas tax funds. I truly hope you will exercise that because the people of Guadalupe deserve better both in their day-to-day management and in their ability to enter and leave the City of Guadalupe to get to Santa Maria or to get to Arroyo Grande to purchase the goods and services that are not available in our community.
I hope you'll thoughtfully consider the inconvenience that the lack of circulation in and out of Guadeloupe presents to each and every person who lives there. Thank you so much for what you do, have a great day.
All right thank you Ms. Romero Madam Clerk, is that the only general public comment we have today?
That is the only public comment for a general public comment.
Okay that concludes general public comment at this time.
Next item of business is our consent calendar are there any items that the public will be pulling on the consent calendar?
There is a written public comment was received on item 40 transportation network company access for all fiscal year 2026 project selection from Rhonda Cardinal. The comment was distributed to the board and uploaded as part of the agenda packet in addition to that we do have one request to speak from Nancy Crawford on Item 4E.
On 4E, okay. Any Board members have any other items they might want to pull or discuss separate from a motion and the rest of the consent items? Director Parodi, any items that you'd like to pull?
No Chair. Thank you.
Okay so let's go ahead and get a motion on items 4A, B, C, D, F, N, G. Can I get that motion?
So
moved.
Second.
Okay we still have a motion from Director Padino, a second from Director Brown since we're remote here. Let's go ahead and do a roll call vote on those and then we'll hear for you at the conclusion of
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion from Director Padino, a second from Director Brown since we're remote here. Let's go ahead and do a roll call
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with the abstention from 4A please.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0
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And motion passes.
Unanimously with a abstention on 4A. All right, let's go ahead and read item number 4E into the record and then we'll hear from our public commenter.
Transportation Network Company TNC access for all fiscal year 2026 project selection Recommended action approve the project selection for the 2026 TNC Access for All program awarding $183,270 to Care Connections to operate wheelchair accessible on-demand service.
I believe I have Ms. Crawford here available is she online or is she? Welcome.
Good morning Chair, Board of Directors. Thank you for the opportunity to speak this morning on behalf of Care Connection Transport Services I would like to sincerely thank the Santa Barbara County Transit Advisory Committee for voting to recommend Care Connection as the provider for the Santa Barbara County Access For All program. As a current provider, Care Connection is proud to have helped grow awareness and utilization of this very important program. As the only true on-demand provider offering 24 hour service throughout all of Santa Barbara County we stand ready to serve our community expanding access and building upon the significant growth that we have brought to this program.
At its core, the intent of the Access for All program is about independence, freedom and equal access. Individuals who rely on wheelchairs should have the same ability as everyone else to decide where they want to go when they want to go whether that's going shopping attending medical appointments visiting family or even enjoying a couple glasses of wine at one of our local wineries but for most of us opening an app to request Uber and Lyft is something we take for granted Access for All was created to provide the same ride-hailing opportunity to individuals who require wheelchair accessible vehicles. So without them requiring or planning days in advance. So Care Connection remains committed to this mission and the intent of this program, and to continue increasing utilization throughout all of Santa Barbara County so we appreciate the committee's confidence in our team and its recognition of the work that we have done so far.
So respectfully, we'd hope that the board would move to approve this award and again thank you for the opportunity to bring awareness to this program. Thank you.
Well thank you Miss Crawford Madam Clerk, are there any other public speakers on this item? If
there are any other members of the public on Zoom who wish to speak would you please use the raise hand feature and I will call upon you.
Are there any questions from the board on this item? Seeing none can I get a motion approval for you?
So moved. Second.
Okay that's staff recommendation so with that madam clerk can we have a roll call vote?
Roll-call vote Passed 9–0 moved. Second. Okay that's staff recommendation so with that madam clerk can we have a roll call
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And the motion passes
Right at this time we'll go ahead and progress to our discussion items and our first of three discussion items today is item 5A. Madam Clerk can you please read item 5 A into the record?
Highway 101 Carpentry to Santa Barbara recommended action. One, receive a presentation on the construction progress and the benefits achieved while implementing the Construction Manager General Contractor Innovative Delivery Method to schedule a project tour of the Highway 101 Carpentry to Santa Barbara project with the Board of Directors.
Great. And a staff presentation will be done by Fred Luna. Welcome, Fred.
Good morning Directors, Chair Nelson and Directors. Yes Fred Luna here giving the presentation we've done a lot of Highway 101 presentations in the past but today we wanted to kind of shed a different light on it and provide kind of a glimpse We're going to talk about where we've been on Highway 101, the successes we've achieved and kind of tell that story. And a central part of that is the use of the Construction Manager General Contractor Method. It's a delivery method to get through pre-construction and into construction and how successful that's been And then I'll give a quick update on the recent construction and then solicit the board members and gauge your interest in a project tour as we're celebrating our 60th anniversary this year.
Highway 101 is the biggest project SBK has ever been involved with, and in our 60 years it's probably been part of our planning and implementation process for over half of that time. And so to get it finished, I imagine that will be a great achievement for this agency. Going forward, I have Joe Irwin here from Caltrans District 5. He will participate in that and as they're the leaders of the CMGC effort and they have the contract with Granite Construction so he'll tell us a little bit about those efforts going on Really Highway 101 is a story of partnering and how we got here. And so we're going to touch on that, how we've worked for over two decades with Caltrans on this beginning early on in the 2000s and even back then if some of you remember the failed attempt to widen one-on-one in the early 90s but that even then that leveraged some funding that we were able to use in some of the operational improvements that have been kind of an integral part of the Highway 101 story And then we'll talk about the delivery story, the kind of the middle years of following Measure A passage which was obviously critical to getting Highway 101 implemented back in 2008 and how you know even though there were struggles at that time.
You know we continue to move forward and talk about those innovations. Then Joe will talk about the CMGC process, the results and the benefits of that And then I'll provide kind of a summary of some of the construction key facts and interesting items that have occurred over time in the several construction contracts that have been implemented. And lastly, just a quick update on the recent progress on the last segment of Santa Barbara North and then again ask the board about interest in our project tour.
So much of the content you'll see today kind of stems from a partnering meeting we had and we call them partnering meetings because we come together and as a broader project team talk about how we can continue to move the project forward. This is A couple of slides from the last partnering meeting that we had and when I say last, we've had those for over several years starting in 2018 through 2025. And really, we culminated in April indicating that we're at the end of pre-construction and we're moving into construction and everything now is construction forward.
At those meetings early on, we look to resolve issues and key development issues, key risk issues But at some point in the process, you know as we're working with facilitators and stuff and efforts to measure how is our team performing. We really have been given kind of the The label of a high-performing team, a high functioning team. A world class team in some cases by those measures and so I think everyone takes pride in that you know we have a broad team that works on that and and that is something that's kind of built the culture to resolve issues develop certain tools to manage the project and then those tools have kind of manifested themselves in other projects that were working on As I mentioned before, the partnering goes back at least a couple decades.
You know we have Highway 101, Carpinteria Santa Barbara and SBK working in tandem with Caltrans but as the project evolved we brought on other partners into I'm going to talk a little bit about that area. So originally in 2014, we brought on Tony Harris as a corridor advisor some of you may remember those that was a difficult time maybe even a dark time and I would want to what where we had a draft environmental document that was out there and it was kind of stalled for awhile and so we're looking for ways to move that forward in and kind of some innovation but it was a good time to pause if implement the project as a team going forward. And then we brought with SBK doing some of the design, we brought a design team on board that would work for us Mark Thomas in companionship with the Caltrans Design folks and then in 2018 Caltrans and we'll get into this in a sec the granite team for pre-construction services and then ultimately that leveraged into them being awarded several contracts to manage and deliver the construction on the project The delivery story for Highway 101 is the next segment that we want to touch on.
It really starts, and you've seen this before, this is kind of the lane concept and it goes back to Highway 101 in motion which was the planning study that in concept started in 2003 and was finished in 2006 with the main emphasis there was a 16 mile gap between Ventura County where it went neck down from three lanes to two lanes and then back to three lanes at Milton Street How do we how do we try to resolve that?
Ultimately if you look at phases one and three, those refer to two specific projects. And so I mentioned previously in Measure D the precursor to Measure A there was a Highway 101 widening project That was the community wasn't ready for, but those monies from Measure D and gas tax moneys were reprogrammed by SBK for those operational improvements that helped pave the way for future widening efforts in that corridor so.
Phase one was the Milpas Hot Springs project that did some partial widening, some operational improvements. And then phase three were the improvements in the city of Carpinteria to replace interchanges, upgrade structures to allow for the future widening that ultimately came to be with phase four. Phase two was a partnership with Ventura County that was primarily funded through Proposition 1B in like 2006 And so that was completed in 2014.
I mentioned previously that pause in the early 2010s time frame caused SBK and Caltrans to really look at like we need, in order to be successful deliver this project we really need to think out of the box. Think some ways to deliver this project that are different. This being a very large project for our agency and also for District 5 and the largest state project that SBK has been involved How do we combine efforts, utilize resources to deliver this project? So we came up with a team and integrated team organization. You can see delivery organization being one of the boxes managing this project delivering it as a team that's combined in developing special task force meetings or things like that would allow us to continue to manage that project.
Also in that time frame we looked at how can we bring more money to the table and still get a better product for the people. And at that time Caltrans had developed a study for And so the project team knew like we can't do consecutive projects and doing. Is there a way we can integrate these 2 And so that was kind of a landmark decision to integrate We also recognize that the whole project is in the coastal zone and so that required working closely with our local agency partners developing a strategy for delivery that kind of resonates with their community values and their process for approval.
So all of that was important parts of how we ended up delivering the project, separating it in various segments This map gives you an indication of what I just spoke about. It shows the kind of the limits and you can see kind of almost similar limits of that, the rehab project, the rehabilitation project and the HOV project. And so it really made sense. Normally you don't try two significant projects combining these but it really made sense to try to make go through those efforts and combine those projects. And at the end of the day as I mentioned before we were also able to address ramp improvements, safety improvements on the freeway like they call profile corrections where you're improving sight distance and curvatures on the freeway. So all of those things were able to be integrated in addition to the congestion relief strategies.
And so I talked a little bit about the whole notion of looking for ways to innovatively deliver this project other than the traditional design bid build where you would go out there. One of the reasons why is that if you were to do this and I have a graphic at towards the end is that You would want to avoid conflicts because there's no assurance you're going to get the same contractor on adjacent segments. And so, there's the likelihood and risk that you would have conflicts with adjacent work segments. So, you'd have to be fairly conservative in how you schedule those out and they could stand over a long period of time.
We were able to manage that through the pre-construction phase, work with the contractor, have them buy in on that adjacent staging and how to coordinate and collaborate that. And then they really own some of that processes on how to manage I also mentioned the coastal zone, making sure that the contractor knows fully that the design elements that are important to the communities and those can be implemented. There's particular aesthetics that were required through the design review processes I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions.
And then agreed price, you know large project a lot of costs having that price agree to knowing what our funding commitments are early on in the vet and reducing that variability through the construction process. So here's that timeline. If you think of the time between 2012 and 2019, this is kind of the main timeframe for project delivery. But before this, maybe I'll call that the one-on-one origin story where we were I mentioned Highway 101 in motion, kind of coming up with the idea for adding a lane and then Measure A of course implementing many of those ideas that came out of 101 in motion by identifying specific projects to fund including the lane itself as the flagship project in Measure A.
And then work started on developing the environmental document in 2008 and a draft was circulated in 2012. There was a part where it was circulated in 2014. It wasn't until 2014 that the final was certified with there was a number of public comments and it was finally certified in 2014, but then it was challenged so there This board made the decision to continue to advance design work because we wanted to be construction ready while in parallel, the challenge was underway. And so we were in a position to use Measure A money to continue design on segments and Caltrans was already finishing some of their design as well to continue to be ready for construction assuming that we would prevail and we did in 2017 on the final EIR And lo and behold in 2017 Senate Bill 1 passed and we were ready for construction.
And in 2018, we were awarded $183 million from the state and that ended up being matched by another $183 million from the shop Caltrans' bucket for rehab and we were able to deliver the first three segments into construction, get those funded. And that was a key to starting the momentum on construction in the corridor. Now I'll hand it over to Joe. He's going to talk about construction in the CMGC process.
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Thank you, Fred. And thank you to the chair of Nelson who just stepped away and to the directors for allowing us to talk about this and discuss some of the benefits in the results of what we've seen through this effort. I'm going to focus on early in the project here when I say the project early in the implementation of CMGC The one on one team came up with these seven different goals and so the team collaborator collaboratively came up with what we would call be hags are big, hairy audacious goals right? And these were supposed to be aspirational high very difficult to achieve. But they revolved around safety, quality, schedule, communication, stakeholders, team dynamics and then our process.
And a lot of these we achieved right? And so with safety it we were able to put those safe decisions up front and achieve those throughout the development and throughout the life of the project. So that resulted in a safe working zone but then a safe highway, a safe freeway for the users In quality, we document the amount of change orders. Our contractor Granite came forward to us and we were only around 0.5% of avoidable change orders things that we all should have caught right there are some things that are going to be change orders once you get to construction that's unavoidable but our goal was less than 1% of avoidable change orders and we were down to about a half a percent In the schedule, our goal was to complete the Cabrillo Boulevard interchange segment and that final piece in Santa Barbara by the end of 2028.
And we are tracking on that. We are pretty close and so I'm confident we're going to make it by that date. And then in communication, we regularly held meetings. We're constantly meeting like Fred was saying we had a format within the CMGC and within the corridor of meeting regularly and so I met with Fred and with Sarkis and Tony on our corridor management team on a regular basis every other week. And then with our CMGC, the broader team, we were meeting As frequently as every week when things were pressing and when there was a need for it.
And then we would taper off as, we don't need to meet as often but we're constantly communicating and this is of all the projects I've been on the most communicative of all those projects engaging in discussing things as they come up. The stakeholder satisfaction, I'll be honest this is one we did not hit. Right? 100% stakeholder satisfaction is a difficult goal and so there's always going to be people that wish you could have done more or wish you did less but that's the reality of government projects like this.
In the team dynamics goal we came up with an idea to achieve this by recognizing and thanking everybody throughout the life of the project. And we do that, and I carry that forward with all my other projects now not just the 101 corridor but every meeting we kick off with recognition and with gratitude to people who have done something in there are times when that goes for 15 minutes in a meeting right? There are other times when it's a little bit lighter but we always dedicate time at the beginning To recognize that and our project. This project is constantly winning awards, right? Either excellence in transportation or their state awards or contracting awards were constantly being recognized as one of the top projects in the state.
And then the final one I'm going to dig into this a little bit more is our CMGC process. We pay Granite to be the CMGC, right? We then also enter into a contract price with them but our goal was those fees that Granite charges us as a project team that we would realize 10 times The savings over the life of the project that it costs to bring granted. So if they charged us $10 million, we better have a hundred million dollars in savings that they brought to the table.
And so that's what I'm going to dig into here on the next several slides. The first one here, this is a lot of information and we won't go line by line but I want to highlight some big savings that Granite helped develop with our team. Avoiding utility relocation throughout the entire corridor saved us around $16 million. Figuring out innovative staging strategies, blending those different projects like Fred was talking about that are over top of each other or right next to each other saved us around $15 million.
Figuring out a pavement strategy and using the right pavement types for the right location that resulted in being able to go with maybe a cheaper pavement where it wasn't needed to be as robust. And that saved us an overall $13 million. There's a whole bunch of other things in here Notice there is escalation, it's the fourth one from the bottom. That's only showing $3 million but we're going to talk about that a little bit later. That is only identifying that there was one project early on in Carpinteria where they came up with an innovative idea with us to take out some of the work and then let the majority of the project go forward. And by taking out that little bit of work It allowed us to enter into a contract price on the majority of the contract and the majority of the freeway work.
And once you lock in that price, you avoid that future escalation. This was for some utility relocation and it was a tough negotiation between some owners but by doing that we were able to save about $3 million on escalation for the entire contract. The next savings I want to talk about, and you see this if you drive down through there. You see Granite's Tower, the batch plant that's there.
The batch plant was an idea that Granite proposed to us. And what it was able to do for us is when we mix concrete for that reinforced concrete pavement that's going to last 40 years We were able to do that on site and that resulted in one, just a cheaper price for the concrete than going to a ready mix supplier in Santa Barbara. And that you can see resulted in about $75 per cubic yard of concrete and there's hundreds of thousands of cubic yards of concrete they go into this.
We got that savings on every cubic yard of concrete that we were able to produce on site. But it comes with more benefits than just the dollars, there's environmental benefits of having mixing onsite too because we're reducing the truck trips. If we had to use mixed concrete in Santa Barbara and then truck that all the way down to Carpinteria, that round trip is up to 16 miles to drop off that concrete and then come back so we're reducing Over 400,000 miles of truck trips to deliver all of that concrete. We were able to reduce water because if you're hauling concrete from farther away you gotta add more water because that evaporates and so we were able to go with less water by mixing it on site It reduces the impact to people in the funk zone near the concrete batch plant in Santa Barbara where we would have gotten it, right?
And so it localizes the impacts to where the construction's happening. Overall, it saved us about $10-15 million in savings by using that mixed site at the Padaro, that North Padaro interchange. This project map is something that you've seen before. You saw Fred kind of show it, but these are the five major segments of the highway and I'm showing this to you because I want to emphasize that these segments of the freeway are right next to each other and they're not very long, right? They're a couple of miles maybe at the biggest. The Padaro one is somewhere in our biggest segments. But they overlap each other, and they're right on top of each other. And this leads into the next slide where I'm going to dive into escalation costs for the entire corridor a little bit more.
You can see Carpinteria and the Carpinteria 4A segment is on the right in the top image and then continuing through Padaro and Summerland and then the Montecito and Santa Barbara segments are the ones highlighted in the bottom left image. But this bar chart here, this is the schedule that we actually have implemented with this corridor, with this project. And you can see the Carpinteria, Padaro and Summerland segments were all into construction at the same time through that first cycle of SB1 funding, that we were ready to go and have that. And then you can see it overlaps with some of the Montecito segments in the southern Santa Barbara segment. And then ultimately, the northern Santa Barbara segment Because of CMGC and having Granite on contract, we are able to basically keep growing the construction project as funding becomes available.
We don't have to wait for one construction project to end and then let out and bid the next construction contract. It's almost as if you could amend into one contract all of this work and keep it progressing so that you have all of the work on top of each other in a schedule sense. If we were going to be going a more traditional route on this project to go out to construction, the bar chart would look something like this. And this is an aggressive schedule. This is assuming that you have all of the money exactly when you need it to go to construction. But we might have been able to build Carpinteria and Summerland around the same time, right? There's about a two-mile gap between it. So you could transition the Carpinteria construction traffic into the normal lanes and then into Summerland so you could have maybe two at the same time and then we would go forward and build the Montecito and the Padaro segments after that and then after that we would go to the Santa Barbara segment and do that.
So this is an aggressive alternative schedule that we might have been able to do if we went traditional bidding Delaying the Carpinteria and Padaro and Montecito and Santa Barbara segments in this scenario would have resulted in $52 million of escalation costs on the construction contract. Now, again I say this is an aggressive one assuming we have all of the money available exactly when we need it.
This scenario here is something that's probably a little bit more realistic, and this is how Caltrans typically builds a corridor. And I know this because I'm working on the 46th Corridor up in Paso Robles that's heading out towards I-5. On that corridor, on the 46th Corridor we started in Paso Robles in the early 2000s We are just now finishing up on the Y project, the 4146 interchange and that's only about 20 miles away from that. But we went sequentially. We built one segment, we finished it, we advertised the next segment and we continued to daisy chain our way along and we've been in construction now for over 25 years.
So that is real escalation that we are paying for now on that Y interchange and we're not even done. We still have more segments to go down 46 so this is an alternative scenario, a more realistic scenario of what we would do without CMGC. And you can see the overall escalation is over $150 million if we were to go with traditional delivery method. So that is real benefit We were not able as Caltrans to tell our legislators this is a savings that they got to realize too, but this is reality. This is what it would have been if we had to go that way.
So total, the total cost savings and this is what I'm getting back to with that big hairy audacious goal for the CMGC process. Did we realize 10 times the contractor's fees? And granted it's charged us just under $9 million in contractor fees over the past roughly decade but just under a decade for doing their pre-construction work. The project specific, that list of savings that they helped us identify through the development of each project. That was at $83 million.
Let's call the batch plant is between 10 and 15 million dollars. We'll call it 12 million dollars of savings, the escalation that I was showing you with those different alternative scenarios that could be anywhere from 50 million dollars of escalation when we went all of a sudden done to 150 million what that results in and we got we on the corridor realized a total savings of somewhere between 150 million dollars to 250 million dollars by utilizing CMGC so that far exceeds the ten times the amount of the $8.9 million for the contractor fees and now I'm going to pass it back to Fred he's going to talk a little bit more about the construction today.
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Thanks Joe so as we wind up the presentation here just got a couple additional topics to cover, I mentioned at the beginning we have a few little tidbits about this construction summary and then a brief update on Santa Barbara North One of the things we had the contract to do is kind of compile it kind of a list of fun facts or tail of the tape of how how we performed over that. The roadway segments that have been implemented for the full 10 miles and so this kind of a list of all of the quantities on some key areas and I'll just focus in on a couple recycle materials.
So The batch plant that you mentioned, that Joe mentioned previously. We also had a companion site across the freeway for what's called a crushing yard where we were able to recycle concrete pavement and then use it as aggregate. And so most of that material would have otherwise been needed to be hauled off and paid for or double handled in some way. So that was 370 thousand tons of that.
The other one that on there that may be noteworthy is you know when you drive through the corridor and particularly in those days when we had the divided lanes and you know for a couple years. There was K rail on both sides that white temporary concrete barrier and so With all the staging and stuff, you pay for it as it's placed in every stage. And so 525,000 lineal feet of K-rail was placed over all the different stages. That's about 100 miles of K rail that's if you're looking at it from the projects construction site on Santa Claus Lane that could take you all the way down to Disneyland. So and last one I'll touch on is the craft hours this is really We've had over a million hours of work in the corridor for their staff, their craft employees.
Over a million over that that's equivalent to over 60 people full-time for 8 years of work on that implementation schedule and then if you add their subcontractors that adds another element Joe mentioned this previously, the project has won awards. This is how we one way we can measure quality and that's one of the goals that Joe mentioned that we have. This is the Summerland Interchange at Evans Avenue and it won a excellence in transportation statewide award really Resonating local values into the aesthetics of this working through the design review boards and so that was an important element of the project.
And then total funding secured, so this is as of the cycle four awards. So originally when Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much. So as you know, measure a was passed the funding plan for highway one oh one was as 1 3rd local funds from measure and then 2 thirds from out state and federal sources. So this gives you kind of a measure of how we've performed in that's kind of the you know, the tone here that we're trying to say is how have we performed from So 1.1 billion that's about 31% share for Measure A and our local sources so pretty much on par with what we envision Okay, and then the last slide I have at least in this section is kind of how did we perform from the original plan that we had when we developed our original strategic plan in 2010 two years after Measure A was passed.
And we were thinking how can we implement Highway 101? In a in based on what we knew at that time. So this kind of gives you in the hatched areas, we did identify building it in segments so and and this was more driven by our funding parameters that Joe was mentioning And when we could accrue funding for that, we would start in 2017. Now recognize in 2010 we didn't even have an environmental document on the street and so you know we were coming up with a implementation plan to get to construction in seven years.
And then we would stagger it over time ultimately taking about 11 years to complete in 2028. And then the actual performance you saw in one of Joe's slides is we were able to build those first three segments. So started a little bit behind I mentioned earlier, we got challenged on the environmental document with how are we able to make up time? We were able to make up time through that CMGC process through other innovative ways to get that going and of course having the funding available at the time we needed it.
And then the Montecito North was something that we took advantage of. Caltrans had some additional SHOP funding, this wasn't SB1 funded but it was a partnership of SHOP funding and Measure A funding that we said we can do another small segment to move that forward And then in cycle 3 of SB 1 we got 2 additional segments funded and we're getting close. And then cycle 4, we would get the last segment funded so essentially back on track and delivery in 2028 from what we planned 15 years ago or so.
So just a quick update on construction. If you've driven through the area, this is the this is Cabrillo Boulevard. You have on the right there, you have the northbound lanes and on the left, the southbound lanes on the right, the southbound lanes on the left, the northbound lanes and then your In the in the far background there, you're seeing the abutments being constructed for the new bridges that will be built. And that's kind of the major work that's going on over the next year and it'll continue for building those new bridges over Cabrillo Boulevard And then this slide is one of the retaining walls that will support, you know, the bridges in the ramp construction there. So you get a sense of the scale. The vertical steel beams are there for the shoring to support that and then you get a sense of how big they are both in this slide and then this one with the gentleman standing there next to the size of the walls.
And then this is a concrete pump in the there you see next to the truck. You see some steel cages for columns that will help be part of the bridge. And similarly here, and this picture is taken from a project tour we had with State Senator Lamone. That was about a month ago. She was wanting to see that and we were able to share some of the same slides that we presented today to this board of the benefits of CMGC and she was able to take advantage of seeing in the active construction out there with small group.
And then just a field photo of the work So at this time that kind of concludes I think I want to leave with at this point. We feel it's The message is that we're trying to say is this is the biggest project that has been involved in and it's important as we're celebrating our 60th anniversary. We asked the board if there's interest in scheduling a tour out there any excuse to put on a safety vest and hard hat maybe but we will certainly plan it accordingly to the interest or how broad we haven't really gotten any of those details but we certainly want to invite Maybe in the next couple months. Any show of hands of interest?
All right, any questions from the board?
We'll go ahead into questions here. Supervisor Lavignone did you have a question?
Just a question about the batch plant was sure kind of innovative but how innovative was it? I mean is this something now that we're, is being implemented on other large projects. It just seems like a genius idea when I drive by them it's always amazing that it's right there up the freeway
Well, I can start and then Joe probably has something to add. I think it was innovative in the sense that if we were to do this as single contracts, it really wouldn't make sense for the contractor to build those costs to generate a new batch pipe and all the permitting costs. What we didn't touch on is there was a lot of work to get the permit through the Air District and the county to just get that in place. And so but if you spread it out over multiple contracts, it really makes sense and it pencils out
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Yeah, Fred's right. We do utilize that on very very large projects up and down the state and so it's not a unique solution just to this location but the economics wouldn't have worked out if it was just the carbon debris segment on its own.
The other question I had and it was on a slide you had Joe just kind of caught my eye that how did the Cormorant, the bird... Okay, so what how did we save nine million dollars on bird mitigation?
So yeah, Granite worked. That was like the first month I was on that project was when the Cormorants and we were taking down the Sheffield interchange so it's a nice welcome to the corridor was dealing with the Cormorants but Our project team with Granite Included worked to figure out what's the best schedule that we can get to accelerate construction through this area. And there was a work window that the Cormorants and then nesting by the old Sheffield interchange, they were protected. And if we could stage construction, and this is where Granite came in and helped us figure this out. Then we could advance certain stages of demolishing and cutting down some trees in the median to rebuild the interchange at a more economic and beneficial way.
If we weren't able to do that then construction would have gone along slower $10 million of added cost to the contract with exactly.
I've got a question on the batch plan. So who owns the batch plan? Is it owned by the contractor or is it owned by the project?
I'm asking questions so with the December 2028 timeline.
Does that mean that everything is wide open and done, or is it still going to be a punch list of things that need to be buttoned up? When do we exit the corridor from a project perspective?
The December 28 timeline is opening of lanes. That's the current forecast we're still on schedule for that there may be some additional off-traffic things that might need to get done and there's landscaping, of course, that needs to get done after that but that's still our viable schedule that we're working towards yeah
okay
great thank you more importantly I you know there are some There are some, you know we're looking to open the Montecito segment this year so you know I think that's a next phase that we're looking towards. Great
thank you Fred. Director Brown?
Thank you. I have a couple of questions for Heltrans. You'd mentioned that it was segmented on Highway 41 through Paso Robles to I-5 and Because you didn't have previous data or to show legislation that it does save money to do it in a stacked way as opposed to a segmented way. Is that, do I understand that properly?
On the 46 corridor we didn't have the flexibility of using CMGC at that time so this is an innovative project delivery method and we were The only delivery method we had at that time was to do traditional design bid and then build contracting methods. And so, that works best in working segment by segment sequentially down the road because working further out and then working closer into town and then hopscotching around wouldn't have been at that time.
Are you implementing this new CMGC model now for
Yes, and on Route 46 after we saw the success of what 101 was able to do. The remaining three segments of Highway 46 are now utilizing CMGC so we saw the benefit that SB CAG is seen with 101 and implementing construction under CMGC and tried to implement that on 46 with a different contractor.
And you mentioned that there was escalation savings for the process in doing that. What is the escalation cost for EIR tying it up for five years time? Do you know that? Okay,
crickets. The escalation cost. I think one way to look at that is just look at what we originally promised and you know, that's why I thought it was important to show that last slide was that our original promise versus what? And that's when we really didn't know how we were going to deliver so on balance,
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We're going
to advance construction should
there be legislation to limit the time. Frames of So we know there's a savings escalation savings. There's also escalation cost if it's drug out in other areas and if there's something we can do to modify that, that was one of the questions and I don't think that that's here today but think about think about that opportunity and then also We're hearing about the El Nino and everything coming down. Are we still anticipating any flooding along the hot springs area? Has that been, the design's been going to take care of all that issue?
I was just at a Montecito Flood Control meeting on Monday that was in the community. And so, that was with county flood control and I think the odds that the National Weather Service gave us something like 75% chance of higher or wetter winter than typical. In the Hot Springs area, the freeway has the majority of its drainage completed. There's still some work in the median that we're going to be doing but the flooding issue in Montecito is not caused by the freeway. It happens upstream on the hot springs especially it's upstream at the freeway and it comes down that way.
I understood just it's a hazard road hazard. I'm just making sure as the current design And I'm wondering if you have any infrastructure been in place to correct that?
From the freeway perspective, we have as much drainage as we can put in to handle whatever comes on to it. But to say that it's 100% flood proof is I don't think that the entire region can handle, you know, the major significant flooding those 50 year storms Correct, yeah and we have construction crews out there that are monitoring it. We have CHP constantly monitoring too and in anticipation of big storm events we take precautions and we we have people on alert to be watching that from Caltrans maintenance through our construction teams through CHP.
Thank you. That concludes my. Okay thank you Director Brown. Director Lavinino?
I just didn't want this moment to pass either without pointing out your leadership. All of SB CAG, like you said it's the biggest project ever done. One of the biggest projects in California. This is kind of project that could actually bankrupt an entire system and drag on for decades and decades so You know, I know you've been on from day one on this and done an amazing job. This is great update.
And not only do I want to be back for a tour but I've always said I'm never coming back watching any meetings or anything but I will come back for ribbon cutting on the 101. So yeah that's something to be proud
of. Very good. I think we're going to move Fred to the Heidspie rail next. So Director Mead. So,
I
just wanted to say kind of echoing.
Oh sorry oh
thanks.
I just wanted to say the thing that I think impressed me most about this presentation is the idea that you are proactive and I think a lot of times in government it's very reactive to problems because looking at this timeline, it's very obvious to me that there was seven years of planning before we went with CMGC for the Granite. So obviously you were putting a lot of thought into the execution of this project and how it was going to come together And I think the fact that all of these different organizations came together, SBCAG, Caltrans, like all of these different places came together to make this successful is a huge.
Well, I mean that's a huge success so congratulations to you on that and all the staff of SBCAG and to Caltrans as well. And so I guess my question for this is How did we find Granite? Like how did we find them as a CMGC, like are they going to is this something that obviously because according to this report were you know moving on with this innovative way it says we've got 15 CMGC contracts now going so I was just curious like how do they get picked and like is this the plan going forward. Like we're gonna get away from this more traditional method and is this the way that we're going to go or do we need legislation like you just said
Maybe I'll just say a couple things and then Joe can. Great, I think CMGC has a marriage and fit with certain types of projects and so we tried to kind of articulate that in why did we choose that? And then we partnered with Caltrans in the selection of them there were certain projects statewide that were selected to use this delivery method. But you want to say something more?
Yeah, to utilize the CMGC delivery method the project has to go through a vetting process before it can even release a request for proposals from contractors and that's what this project did Back at the last decade, and so it let out this request. And then granted succeeded they showed the most qualifications and so it's not a low bid environment. This is based off of qualifications and then once selected than they get that first shot at securing the eventual construction contract.
If we don't like the price that they proposed to us, and we have an independent cost estimator that validates that. If we don't like the price then we can go back to a traditional design bid build. And the design bid build process still has merit because if there's a simple overlay project I say simple all projects are complicated but if there is a more traditional type of project then it makes sense to let that out to the market and see who can come up with the lowest price to do the work.
Great, thank you. And I just would comment that we're looking at the county as well as using this type of process. CMAR, I think is the other term they use for this, which is contracted management manager at risk and you know, I think for all of us in our jurisdictions, the value comes because the people who are designing it are also part of that process all way through. It's not somebody else building somebody else's plans and then come up with all these change orders. And so I think that's where we all kind of get Caught up is on the change orders and the time, but when they own the process from day one because they designed it so they have to own that.
There's a lot of innovation and options there. So big fan of this think we should be doing it more often. With that, other comments up here. Director Parodi do you have any questions or comments?
Thank you Chair. I have a comment on my questions have been asked and answered but I just want to say I really appreciated this report. You know in acknowledging all the hard work that a lot of people put into this project and are continuing to see it finished. And I would also be very interested in scheduling if I think it would be a great opportunity for those that would like to see exactly firsthand what it looks like. So thank you. All
right, thank you. Okay not seeing any other lights or anybody jumping up here. Madam Clerk is there any public comment on this item?
If there are any attendees on Zoom who wish to speak on this item would you please use the raise hand feature and I will call upon you. There was no written comment received for this item and there are no attendees on Zoom or in the public who wish to speak.
Right, excellent so with that I'll go ahead and so this is a I don't even know if we need a motion on this one? No, no motion on this necessary okay well let's go ahead and proceed to Item 5B at this time Madam Clerk will you please read Item 5 B into the record
Authorization to proceed with issuance of 2026 Measure A Senior Sales Tax Revenue Refunding Bonds, 2026 TIFIA refunding recommended actions. One receive a presentation on refunding SB KEGS 2022 Transportation Infrastructure Finance and Innovation Act TIFIA loan and two adopt resolution number 26-next in order A, approving and authorizing the issuance and sale of the Santa Barbara County Local Transportation Authority Senior Sales Tax Revenue Refunding Bonds Limited Tax Bond Series 2026. And authorizing the publication and distribution of notice of intention to sell official notice of sale preliminary official statement. B, approving and authorizing execution of second supplemental indenture bond purchase agreement final official statement continuing disclosure agreements.
Delegating authority to staff in consultation with the municipal advisor to conduct a public sale bond offering through a competitive sale or negotiated sale and complete all actions necessary for the refunding of the outstanding 2022 TIFIA loan. All
right, thank you. And that's going to be somebody's motion later so have that memorized. With that Ms. Geis?
Good morning Chair and members of the Board. I am Andrea Geist, the Chief Financial Officer of SB CAG. This item is on your agenda to essentially approve a resolution that will authorize the issuance of the 2026 Measure A Senior Sales Tax Revenue Refunding Bonds which will refund our outstanding TIFIA loan in full. Your board authorized us in January to take the steps necessary to proceed with this refunding, provided that it achieves at least a 3% net present value savings consistent with our debt management policy.
The importance of the savings is that debt service is taken off the top of Measure A revenues before those revenues are distributed to jurisdictions and programs. So by lowering that debt service, that means there's an incremental amount of higher revenue that's available for distribution throughout the life of Measure A through 2040. So after January we conducted competitive procurements and onboarded our financing team who worked with SB KEGG staff and agency counsel to prepare the documents in front of you today. K&N Public Finance was onboarded as Municipal Advisor, Norton Rose Fulbright as Bond and Disclosure Counsel, and Wells Fargo very recently as Underwriter.
So we have Melissa Schick with K&n Public Finance on the line and she will walk you through the proposed refunding in detail. Before she starts presenting, I just wanted to add and she'll get into this as well that approval today does not mean that we have to execute a sale immediately. We are monitoring market conditions and will only proceed with the sale if we can achieve that net present value savings. Also, we have safeguards built into place in the documents where we can pull out of a sale if need be if that savings is not achieved.
So with that, I will hand it over to Melissa Schick with KNN. Thank you.
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Great thank you Andrea and pleasure to be here with you this morning and speaking on behalf of this item. Let's see there's a slide presentation we pulled up
Andrea is pulling it up right now. Okay great. Do you want me to ask her if she has access? Okay, we're getting it up now.
Great. Okay next slide. Just by way of background and Andrea kind of touched upon certain of the history bringing this item to you today but importantly in 2022 SBCAG executed its TIFIA loan agreement with the United States DOT in an amount of $75 million. Consistent with the success of the Highway 1 project that based on the prior item, the TIFIA loan was a success in that it was utilized exactly as intended. It provided SBCAG the flexibility to draw on a borrowing instrument only as needed to fund Highway 101 projects that otherwise weren't funded with available pay-go measuring revenues.
Today, the TIFIA loan remains as outstanding an amount of $46.3 million and no further draws on that $75 million TIFIA loan are needed to fund Highway 101 project expenditures. Over time, staff in our firm have been monitoring the interest rate environment for potential opportunities to refinance the TIFIA loan as tax-exempt municipal bonds. As Andrea mentioned in January your board approved a resolution authorizing staff to proceed and today we're here to present kind of a fully packaged transaction for your approval.
Next slide. So what are our financing objectives? First and foremost is to refinance the TIFIA loan just above $46 million. The interest rate on the TIFIA loan is 4.02% and it can be repaid or prepaid at any time with no penalty. As Andrea mentioned, we're simply looking to lower SBCAG's annual repayment or debt service obligations under the TIFIA loan and based on the debt policy approved by the SBCAG Board when we put the TIFIA loan in place, we must achieve a 3% net present value savings target in refinancing the loan.
Importantly, the issuance of the 2026 bonds will not create an additional obligation of SBCAV nor will it materially change your current debt portfolio. We'll maintain a fixed rate. The final maturity will be consistent with the final maturity of the TIFIA loan and there'll be no change in repayment structure. The issuance of the 2076 bonds eliminates the requirements, the ongoing maintenance requirements of the federal DOT under the TIFIA loan. So the 2026 bonds it's expected that we'll need to raise approximately 47 million of bond proceeds which will largely be used to pay off the TIFIA loan in addition to some cost of issuance of executing the bonds.
As of August 11th, 2026 when we prepared the staff report and this presentation Present value savings, so refinancing the TIFIA loan with municipal bonds was estimated to achieve approximately 1.8 million of present value savings or 3.8% of refunded TIFIA loan par. So at that point We were definitely meeting and exceeding the debt policy parameters through kind of the assumptions of issuing senior sales tax bonds in the tax exempt municipal market, and also considering SBCAG's credit rating on the TIFIA loan of AA+.
Next slide. So I've been before this board over time in speaking about the refinancing of the TIFIA loan. And in each instance, the refinancing has been subject to changes in the interest rate environment. In early January when your board approved formally to pursue the TIFIA loan refinancing interest rates you know that 10 year tax exempt interest rate was approximately 2.75%.
Now it's closer to 3.5%, and so then over time, as tax-exempt interest rates have gone up and gone down and gone back up and down again, savings, estimated savings on refinancing the TIFIA loan have changed. I will say that this presentation was put together in late August, and unfortunately the last couple of weeks in the interest rate market and in the tax exempt municipal markets, interest rates have notably increased. And as your board is well familiar, you know, in anticipation of the Fed meeting yesterday The market largely priced in the expectation of future interest rate increases, and then certainly kind of global events have had implications on the direct direction of interest rates.
Next slide. So there's different methods for issuing bonds in the public municipal market As we started this transaction, our expectation was to sell the bonds on a competitive basis. That's appropriate when the issuer is well known, the security structure straightforward, a high credit quality and an expected strong investor demand. All of this would support SBCAG to issue its bonds under a competitive method of sale.
Most recently, as Andrea mentioned at the start we did decide to pivot to a negotiated method of sale and that simply was just based on a more volatile interest rate market and just having a pre-selected underwriter to help us navigate A favorable market on any given day to achieve the savings target. We found that that would be kind of in the best interest of the transaction.
So the documents I've set provided to you for approval today include legal and security documents, which is the resolution and the supplemental indenture which will detail the issuance and the parameters of the bonds. A preliminary official statement, a continuing disclosure certificate, and then sale documents each would be specific to either a competitive method of sale or negotiated method of sales. So your board is approving both approaches, but the expectation is that we will pursue a negotiated method of sale and staff will execute a bond purchase agreement with Wells Fargo.
Next slide. The transaction timeline subsequent to the meeting today We expect to pursue S&P credit ratings either next week or when we are certain that market conditions will support the refinancing of the TIFIA loan to achieve desired savings targets. So, we're just gonna remain nimble really subsequent to the approval today in terms When we seek and receive a rating from standard employers, and then when we ultimately price and close the proposed 2026 bonds. And really just driven by the market and making certain that we're entering the market to achieve this savings outcomes.
Next slide. The staff's recommendation to the board today is to adopt the resolution authorizing the issuance of the 2026 bonds, authorize the publication distribution and execution of all documents related to the issuance of the bonds. And then that delegation of authority to staff in consultation with a municipal advisor to conduct a public bond authoring either through a competitive or negotiated sale.
And with that I'll turn it back over to Andrea.
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All right back to Andrea, anything else you'd like to add? No nothing else to add. Okay questions from the board. Ms. Prodi do you have any questions or comments?
No questions Chair.
Okay I got ahead oh yes please said so Director Musby or Director Brown
thank you is do we get is there a benefit for paying this off early to the DOT And what is that? You nod your head, yes. But what does that benefit from? Did we get a discount on the balance or how's that done?
of the TIFIA loan is that there is no prepayment penalty. And so the benefit would be that there is no penalty and we could achieve a net savings by moving to a different debt instrument, if that makes sense? So the savings that we get from moving to a tax exempt bond would be the benefit.
They're not giving us a discount on our principal for paying off.
No, they're not and there's no
penalty for paying
but there's no penalty whereas oftentimes there would be a penalty or some sort of fee.
And then with regards to the issuance of the new debt the bond is that will that be at a fixed rate? Or is that also will it be adjustable?
That will also be at
Okay so in our policies 3% net present value over the life of the debt. Exactly
correct
yeah okay so that's what we've determined to be when the juice is worth a squeeze basically
exactly and the longer
like that
The longer we wait to the you know the less time we have to amortize and the harder it becomes to achieve that savings. So also the principal amount becomes smaller and that makes it more difficult as well so.
And you're anticipating, and maybe this is a question for the other speaker presenter, as far as the estimated rate range that we should anticipate between now and the time that they're sold?
You know, that's a great question. I will defer to Melissa on that it really comes down to market economics.
But I also have to assume that she's got some sort of crystal ball that tells
me we're looking at the
window of the next month.
Yes. Melissa do you want to take that question?
Yeah yeah I wish I had a crystal ball and I will say that and I would That generally there is an inflammation of rates increasing and so your approval today as Andrea said, doesn't necessarily. You know it's not certain that we will issue the bonds because we need to achieve the savings threshold. And their interest rates are going up and down kind of daily and weekly.
So it's really It's hard to have a clear sense of where rates, the direction of interest rates over the next week or over the next month. But that's in large part why, you know, SBCCAC moved forward with hiring an underwriter on the transaction so we will have direct communication with the underwriter to keep us informed daily on the market that were thoughtful in the day in which we would price the bonds to ensure the savings are met.
Thank you. You mentioned though that there's no monthly savings on this, if I read it right. So it says no change in repayment structure. Maintaining so our payment structure will that be flat or do you intend to pay a greater amount than
Yeah, so that's a great question. The TIPIA loan was structured differently than most standard debt instruments which have a level structure like a mortgage or something like that. The Build America Bureau required that 60% of the loan be repaid On an accelerated basis so you have greater principal payments up front. We found that you know the debt management policy gives us the flexibility to mirror that with this issuance which would be consistent with what was previously communicated to the jurisdictions and it would also increase our ability to achieve that savings since more is amortized up front. Our principal payments are larger upfront so we will experience a savings on a monthly basis, it will just be very incremental. We're looking at you know maybe a million and a half over the you know through 2040 so on a monthly basis Yeah it's not very much.
But it is a savings. OK thank you.
That's all I had.
Thank you Director Brown, Director Mosby and then Director Rouse.
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You have August analytics do you have more current?
Yes, we do have more current analytics. Melissa has those and she has shared those with us. Unfortunately by the time that we have to docket these materials them. Yeah exactly. That's how the market has fluctuated quite a bit since we've docketed the presentation. It
appears that we're going up so that 3.8% is probably are we even at 3% anymore?
No I think I'll defer to Melissa about exactly where we are today but it's day-to-day yeah
Yeah, when we ran it before this week and in consultation with the underwriter. The present value savings were at 2.5%. How much? We
don't need it today. So
we're not meeting
our 3% right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Director Rouse. Yeah, I just watching what's going on with the Fed right now and it's just a general things much not getting cheaper and this is a pretty short timeline to get all this together so I'm going to move staff recommendation says
OK great and so there's got a motion from supervisor Sir Demoted you there from Director Rouse and will be a second because I do have another question as well. And I know you got to get running here, so there's a second from Avenue. So we have a motion on the table but we have some further discussion on the motion. I have a couple quick questions. You know very I know we're not meeting that number right now, but we've incurred some of the cost right? I mean we so is two-and-a-half still worth the squeeze
That's a great question. The costs that we've incurred to date are contingent on closing, so that was part of our procurements that we made sure that was built into every contract we've executed so far. Our Municipal Advisor, our Bonds and Disclosure Council they get paid when the loan closes. So obviously we want to achieve the savings but I think to deviate from 3% We would need to come back with a revised
policy.
Yeah,
all right well let's keep that in the back of your mind is if this persists and you know we've guys done this work you brought to the board you know you guys ready do some savings are still better than no savings and if we move forward with this does not preclude us To doing it again, right? If interest rates got better down the line. So we could take advantage of it again as it went down so I want 3% too just like everybody else. I want three and a half but you know if you know we've done the work we should pull the trigger at some point. So just kind of giving that is nodding heads up here that might be an option that this board might be willing to do Again, and that means that we actually have more runway in the future for when rates do drop again to get another 2.5% or 3% at that time so let's just kind of keep that in mind moving forward.
Something that has kind of caught my ear that this debt service comes off the top of Measure A and this debt service is all one-on-one related right? The widening project
It's a cash flow issue. Sure, I mean it would have you know so it's a measure A issue that we had to deal with with our obligation so that's why it's off the top. The accounting for it the Build America Bureau required us to have a project sponsor that so it was for the purpose of dealing with 101 but we had this discussion when we went entered into the TIFIA loan and this is what was agreed to.
Sure now I understand that we agreed to it but do we count this as part of the project costs?
No, because it's related to cash flow. So
okay but if we didn't weren't doing that project we wouldn't have the cash flow issue right?
We'd have, you know it basically we refinance this so we weren't hurting the jurisdictions otherwise we would have had to take in all the funding and there wouldn't been any distribution for streets and roads. So I mean it's an all-encompassing Measure A issue to deliver our obligations that we've already committed to with the voters passage of Measure A. It's a blurry issue and I know what point you're trying to make but I just want Appreciate the spin. Reiterate that it was a measure A issue that we had to deal with and regardless of what project, we would have funded something else.
Totally. What I was trying to do is identify that as part of a cost with that. And I'm just asking whether we kind of include that in the number? I wasn't saying it was a bad decision. It's a good decision. I'm just wondering whether we recognize that as a project cost or not so and the answer is no and that's fine. Just wanted clarification. All right. With that, we have a motion on the table. Any further discussion about the motion?
Director Prodi do you have any? Oh sorry, Director Mosby. So
clarification then if We're only going to see 2.5, you would still move forward? Only if it's three.
Only if it's three so we have board direction that we have a goal to achieve 3% cost savings on this refinancing endeavor. If we see that that's not achievable, we'll come back to the Board to change that goal if the Board desires to do so.
And then again for clarification as of today with what we see right now today, it's not happening. Correct. Okay thank you.
All right. You have the flexibility to pull the trigger once we hit the three?
Correct.
Great, so we have a motion on the table. Is there any public comment on this item?
If there are any attendees on Zoom who wish to speak would you please use the raise hand feature and I will call upon you. There was no written public comment received in advance and there are no attendees on Zoom who wish to speak.
All right thank you. With that since we're remote we need to do a roll call vote here.
Roll-call vote Passed 8–0
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And chair Nelson and the motion passes with nine yeses and four absent. Thank you, and zero no's
okay? Okay so with that we're going to go ahead and move to 5C.
Item 5C, 2027 Unmet Transit Needs Process Direction Recommended Actions. 1. Provide direction to SBCC staff regarding the 2027 unmet transit needs process to either a carry out the process consistent with expectation This is a motion to approve the transportation development act funding for non-transit purposes such as for streets and roads or be carry out the process consistent with expectation that transportation development act funding may be allocated for nontransit purposes such as for streets and roads. To provide direction to SBK staff to either bring this item back to the board annually
Thank you. Liana I just did present on that, is that good? Oh never mind it's right here. Okay. Good morning everybody. I'm Mya Kulkarni with SPCAG Programming and today I am looking for direction on the 2027 Unmet Transit Needs Process Direction. So we have two actions today. The first one is to provide direction on how we should carry out the 2027 unmet transit needs process, which I'll go over right now and then the second action is to provide direction on whether we should continue to bring this item back to the board annually Okay as a little bit of background, the Transportation Development Act or TDA was signed in 1971 as a compromise between urban and rural interests so that transit funding can be available to use for road improvements as well.
As a requirement of TDA we have to perform the annual transit needs assessment Within TDA we have two funding programs, State Transit Assistance, STA and Local Transportation Fund, LTF. This process specifically deals with a portion of the LTF funds which is Articles 4 and 8. And those are the funds that are available for transit and streets and roads. Last year, our region received about $12.6 million in specifically LTF transit funding and this is the pot that they can use for streets and roads if the unmet transit needs finding allows for it.
In recent years the county has been allotting a lot of their transit funds to other agencies and then they've also been claiming some of those funds under Article 8 for streets and roads. So the way that the unmet transit needs process works is we do public outreach to identify if there are any unmet transit needs. Then we analyze those comments and see if they are reasonable to meet. If we find that there are no unmet transit needs that are reasonable to me, then agencies can use that specific transit funding that I showed before towards streets and road projects.
Where your board comes in is providing direction on this specific process. For both of these options, we do public outreach and we get comments from the public but if you want the transit funding to be allocated for transit purposes only then we do a shortened version of the process where we provide a summary memo of all the comments that we got But if you want transit funding to be able to be used for streets and roads, then we go through the whole process of analyzing the comments. And then we come back to the board with our finding.
So going back to the recommended action, the first action is to provide direction for the 2027 unmet transit needs process. For option A we do the shortened process with the expectation that TDA transit funds will be able to only go to transit purposes
Yes, okay. Yeah so
yes so for a let's see when
we read it so I don't say the wrong thing
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Yeah, so A we go through the whole process with the expectation that the transit funds can be allocated for non-transit purposes. For B, we do a shortened process with the expectation that no funding can be, am I saying that right? Okay okay, that's what I thought at first. Yeah pay attention to this side specifically yes. So yeah there's those options and then also we do come back annually as per board direction to to see if we should continue with A or B.
But you can also direct us to just complete the full process annually and not come back to the board each year but that's, you can also ask us to come back annually as well. And I'm here to answer any questions as well.
All right. I've got some questions and comments but I'll defer to my colleagues who have a question to start off. Director Lavinino? T-TAC,
what was the vote at T-TAC?
For both T-tac and SBCTAC they voted for option
B.
It's the option for more flexibility
correct yes. Flexibility motion okay yes. Director Mosby
Do you have a cumulative total of monies that might be still sitting aside by area or region The city of Lawn, Polk has an
Yeah once the funding is allocated to a jurisdiction and they claim it, it's in their coffers and we don't monitor it and take care of it. So it's delegated and allocated so it's up to them.
Well it's not fully discretional at ours because some years there weren't It's a complicated pool. I've been trying to get down to the bottom of it because you know, I've got a lot of deferred maintenance but they want to build a 40 million dollar transit facility that we can fund and I think for 10 years or better, they've been holding money in this account.
It was a construction index just like the three years you had 30% loss in value just so that money is sitting there molding on a project that wasn't going to be $14 million project which has now got to be like a I don't know 32 to $42 million project and I'm trying to find out what's going on with the money and it seems You kind of, I'm not blaming you but it's like your hands were wiped because now it's yours.
But I don't think they're doing what they're supposed to have done with the money originally.
There's audits that are done every year on these funds so they have to use it for the purpose it was intended. So those audits would point that out if it wasn't being used appropriately and it would show the balance is correct?
The balances are there, but it's not. It's not giving that yeah what this amount was during a year that you had no unmet transit needs in the study was done or this was over here that it was
okay I mean we could possibly do that analysis, but I can't do it right here.
No, you're all right. I'm just trying to get down at the bottom because I've been asking the question myself directly to staff and You know,
we would ask you
know that you know the roller coaster.
Yeah, we would ask the same question to staff just like you would okay.
Thank you. I wanted to maybe clarify for Director Moseby. I think what you're asking here is whether those dollars can ever be recaptured and my understanding is they can't once they're dedicated for transit. They can't
yes if it was
a pickle never a cucumber
well if it wasn't a year that we did not do the process it has to be used for transit but you can amend a claim and resubmit a claim. But it can't be, it still has to be used for transit so you could change how you're using it whether operations or whatever in those years but if there was a year where we had the flexibility you can amend those claims and even have more flexibility if you didn't need it for transit we could amend those claims.
Yeah yeah yeah for sure no I think that's what we're all hoping for I think that we all want is electeds. So any other questions? Director Prodo do you have any questions here?
No questions sir.
So I'm ready to make a motion. There's no public comment. Is there any public comment on this item?
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All
right Director
Lavinino. I'll make a motion for B which is the flexibility option
I'll second that.
Okay clarification on the motion is it fine to include in that motion that we just do this annually until somebody says stop?
I think so, I think you know why tie future boards hands let's just go with this year.
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We
are asking the board. So if we don't have you can tell me to bring this to the board at any time, but we wouldn't make it a routine item like we've been doing for the last five or six years so we would just go through the process and not have this question before the board unless directed to do so
I like that as a motion. So the direction is
continue on to do the
full
process
now. I like it with just Let's let you, until somebody brings it to you and says bring it back to us for something different. Let's just keep the flexibility open I think it's a point we've been doing and we keep unanimously close to unanimously approving it so.
So we're going to do the full process every year unless told otherwise to do so? I did
second. And there's a second by Director Patino any further discussion on the motion? Director Mosby.
Something quickly, so very seldom do you actually find a financially viable unmet transit need?
Very seldom do we ever
find
a viable unmet transit need.
Taking buses to the homeless shelter in Long Poke is only one I can really
remember. Actually that one was not identified as an unmet need but we did it anyway. So it's a high threshold to be an unmet need that is reasonable to meet. It can be an unmet need, there are tons of unmet needs whether or not it's reasonable to meet based on the definition adopted by this board. You
hold a lot of meetings and very few people ever show up?
No no we do have people show up. The unmet needs process is valuable. It's valuable to hear from the residents what their needs are. We try to meet those needs regardless So we bring that to all the transit agencies and saying, hey, you have a big need here. People are needing this service. This is a lifeline. See what we can do. And we try to amend the short-range transit plans and what have you. So it's valuable to have this process to assess that. But whether it's reasonable to meet where we have to force a jurisdiction to implement transit service, that's a higher threshold.
I know the new microtransit that's going around seems to be meeting a bunch of those holes.
Yes,
it is a whole nother variable out to play so correct. Very successful
in Santa Maria they're doing the microtransit and Goleta they're doing it and now they're gonna start in Carpentria. So yeah
we've got the multi-jurisdictional component going on which is more successful than the big bus.
Correct
Just
wait till I get my cyber cab. Okay, Director Patino do you have any other comments? Okay so we have a motion we have our comments on the motion. Madam Clerk can we do a roll call vote please?
Roll-call vote Passed 8–0 motion. Madam Clerk can we do a roll call
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and the motion passes.
Okay that concludes our discussion items we're going to be moving on to our director's report and our first one up will be the Executive Directors Report.
Yes thank
you. Director Kern
Mr. Chairperson, members of the board, our community outreach for the State Route 135 Comprehensive Corridor Study is happening now throughout this month we're doing public listening sessions today and tomorrow and participation in community events on Fridays that in the Downtown Farmers, Downtown Fridays is that what it's called? Yes we're doing that in Santa Maria. Yesterday we were at the Orcutt Farmers Market and there's an online survey for people to participate in identifying their transportation needs and priorities So that is going gangbusters, this study. I'm really excited about it. We also did a call for applications for the advisory committee and this board identified 11 slots. We have 47 applications for people and it hasn't closed yet so it closes on September 20th I had a discussion with Chair Nelson this past week or so ago and he suggested that we appoint, or he appointed himself Director Julian and Director Patino to be on a selection committee to filter through those applications to assist staff.
We really appreciate it in filtering those applications down to make a recommendation to the subregional which will happen in October? October 14th, and then they will come back to the board the next day at the board meeting in October as well. To appoint those folks to that committee so we can get that input on this study. So things are happening on 135. And it's getting a lot of press as well.
And then we also are doing our Lane in the Train outreach. We started this train back in May for commuters from Ventura to come down, come up to Santa Barbara and Goleta. We're having a pop-up Lunch & Learn on September 30th at the Santa Barbara train station. Attendees can learn about the connections getting on the train how they can connect to the Santa Barbara MTD shuttles that we have and B-Cycle And other options for completing their trip, they can tour the train station and get a free taco while supplies last.
And they can also learn about getting their 10-ride free pass to try out the train so we're hoping to get a good turnout there. We plan on doing this in Goleta as well once their train station is open so we can host that. And then last but not least, we are turning 60. The SPCAG will be celebrating our 60 year anniversary. We're asking the jurisdictions to adopt resolutions or proclamations or whatever you do at your boards to celebrate this occasion so I'll be seeing some of you or my staff will be seeing some of you at your council meetings to accept those resolutions. But we're also asking the board members to attend in person at our October meeting to celebrate. We'll be having some cake and stuff like that.
and some photos taken at that day and to recognize all the proclamations that we receive. So please attend in person if you can, and we'll celebrate our anniversary on that day.
What was the date again on that?
October 15th. See it's in Santa Barbara and the voice inside my head tells me all these answers that I need to know.
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Quick two questions just for you, just for clarification. One that the selection committee to whittle them down would be myself or sorry Director Pino and Director Julian is that right? Okay I just want to make sure all three of us would be working on that together. Great thank you and then the other one was on the train free passes that's considered public transit is it something that we're still prohibited from taking advantage of as elected officials I probably should look into that. And I know that we would have to forfeit our office if we take free public transit under law. Yeah, there's that law.
So let's be really careful there because I want to have a quorum in the future. We'd all have to resign is the...
Oh okay yeah so elected officials have to protect yourselves and not accept free passes on transit accordingly. So don't accept
free passes. Yeah we're not allowed to do that. Let that be a public service announcement for my colleagues. Thank
you
for clarifying. Director Mosby?
A couple of staff members came to our council meeting, Mr. Baker and I forget.
Andrew Orfilio.
And they did a great job.
Great!
So it's nice to have them show up and just maybe a suggestion Thank you. Thank
you for the
feedback.
No questions.
Okay, excellent so that concludes the Executive Director's report let's move along to Caltrans and we got Mr. Joe Irwin.
Thank you Chair. Joe Irwin Office Chief Project Management Caltrans District 5. Two quick updates down in the Santa Barbara area on 192 or Foothill Boulevard we have some full closures that are in effect through the rest of this month This is not actually a Caltrans project, but it's a water district project from down in Casitas Municipal Water District and then Carpinteria Valley Water District. They're installing a new main on 192 so they have to do a full closure. Those are happening from Monday through Friday. The full closure is from 9 to 3 except on Friday they pick that up at 1 or that's the goal that they would pick it up by one.
But just be aware of the full highway closure on 192 through the rest of this month during the daytime hours. And then another construction update over in Buellton, the repaving project continues but we're going to be switching over and working on some of the ramps that connect to 246 from 101. So we're going to be closing the northbound off-ramp And then the southbound on-ramp. So the 246 interchanged with 101, it's the riverside ramps that we're going to be closing down. There's going to be a detour that goes into effect for those ramps taking you down to the Santa Rosa Road exit and then coming up Avenue of the Flags to get around that.
And that's going to be starting at the end of this month or early October. That's the plan for it and there will be some information coming out later for the public, but that will be going through the early part of November so it's quite a long time but needed to rebuild those ramps and that's all I have for Caltrans updates open to questions.
All right thank you any questions from Director Ulane?
Regarding the bridge, I know that you have a pounding stopping in terms of the pile driving. There's several gentlemen, one that had his home built on each of the streets in Guadalupe East and West Coast from First Street which is Highway 166 all the way to the bridge area which is Highway 12, I mean Street 12. There was a gentleman that his father built the home in 1920-something And now one of the gentlemen was on our city council, John Sabudra. You guys know him. He's a retired fire guy. He lives in that house now. They love what's going on on the bridge side. So when they hear the pounding which is stopping, they know that people in Guadalupe are not up in arms about the things that are changing because they know it's a benefit. All the way from Solomon Road all the way through to the bridge, people see that as a positive And you know, we have a big pie with Measure A and other funds.
And look, we got a slice of that and we're appreciative of that. Just a couple comments. One is on the bridge itself. It said that I think it mentioned in the report that it was going to be finished in 2028 but it was pushed to 2032. Did you on page two?
I'm pulling it up right now.
Okay. And on the posting it says they're going to be finished by 2028 and I don't know if that's there was a page two. On the second from the bottom.
Yes. Yeah, I see the river bridge. Yeah it says the time frame for the estimated construction is 2026 to 2032 right? But i've heard um I mean we're not exactly sure exactly when construction will end there's always challenges but they're making really good progress on it and so I think we're going to be able to beat the 2032 date
okay well just to emphasize we said by 2028 so we don't want to You know, start any backlash on that. Thank you for that. And the other one is I met with the owner or one of the principals of Pasadena which is a new housing development and they're going to actually with Santa Maria Valley Railroad, they had to buy in a $6 million bridge to go over railroads That's almost 99% finished and they're starting to actually have asphalt on the other side of the road which is starting construction. We want to see that in the next year, probably in the next year and a half there's going to be about 60 additional homes.
And what the principal was saying is that it's a scheduled stop sign on Highway 1 and Flower Street. And with that new addition, and in addition to the folks that you have now out of Pasadena, you're going to have 4,000 people going in and out of there. If it's a stop sign, people coming from Santa Maria or going to Guadalupe from Santa Maria, that stop sign is going to be jam-packed. So we just need to look at what it would take to actually have a signal light at Flower and Highway 166. I know it's not cheap but it's something that in the future four or five years down the road why is there a stop sign when You know, 10,000 people going back and forth on Highway 166.
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Yeah, thank you, Executive Director Kern. I'll have to look into what exactly we are dictating through that encroachment but yeah a stop sign on 166 where there is not a stop sign anywhere else on 166 would be Yeah, take a second look at that. It may be stop sign on the local lake coming onto 166 right
on well that's right on the anyway look at it if you don't mind what's happening to is that with the homes being built there's 700 and something thousand square foot of commercial. And if you have commercial there and there's a stop sign it's going to be a problem so
Just we're yeah, we'll look into it and we'll get back to
you. Okay. Thank you. That's all I had.
Thank thank you director Julian director meet
so I just have two questions for you and both of them were concerns brought up by our citizens. There's these high cement barriers on Santa Rosa Road that are apparently like restricting visibility. I know Mayor Silva had brought that to your attention and I was just wondering if there was an update on that?
Sure. Yeah, we've had our construction teams looking out at that location and I think what they've identified is maybe we could restripe that portion near the barrier a little better to push cars as they come up to the stop bar away from the concrete barrier. It's a safety feature that we are required to put in the concrete barrier coming off of the bridge and around the ramp And so the idea is if we keep cars in the main part of the lane, then they won't be right next to the barrier obstructing view. They'll have a better line of sight to approaching traffic if they're further away from the barrier. So we're looking into that right now with our construction crew.
Okay great. So just make people drive better? That's what I'm hearing you say with stripes. I know I'm kidding. Keep them more in the middle of the lane. That makes sense to me. Right. Yeah, right. And then the other concern is that there's a number of very large potholes from like Freer to Ostrich Land on the 246 and there's been some concern about with the upcoming storm season that they're only going to get worse so if no one's had a chance to look at those yet that'd be great.
We're aware of that concern and we've been communicating with our maintenance field staff and so yeah they're looking to see what they can do in the short term
All right, thank you. Any other questions? Director Prodi, do you have any questions for Caltrans?
No Chair, thank you.
All right, Director Mosby.
Real quickly there's rumors that they broke out that there's a roundabout coming on Sweeney Road on Highway 246 or at least discussions of that is it true? Is it happening?
There is a new safety project that's been identified at Sweeney Road and 246. One of the alternatives to address that would be around about those tend to operate better than signals and better than stop signs in those kinds of
situations. As a curiosity, there's a bridge replacement coming maybe I don't know if it's going to be after high-speed rails done or something, but anyhow. How is that going to conflict? If you're looking at that with that, are you gonna put a $7 million project in and then put a bridge in and then tear that one out?
The two projects are being designed by the same engineer so they're...
So probably yes then huh?
No, no. Director Moseby there they're using the same set of information for the future build of the bridge as well as to lay out where roundabout or any kind of intersection improvement might go and might fit best so that they're coordinated together
just a six foot raised elevated round about doesn't meet with Other highway parameters that are being maybe going to be a public forum about this just because it is leaking out and people like what I'm like, hey, I don't know.
So the roundabout project will have a community engagement plan and they'll go out to the public throughout the
just let you know, I guess it's already starting so at least leak into the public. Thank you.
All right. Thank you director Mosby. Any other? No, so that's it for questions. Thank you Mr. Irwin and moving along to committee reports so I'll start off the Caltrans which I sit as our representative and the happy news to report is that a Caltrans has got their prop 4 allocation that was put forth in on the bill allocated in this year's budget which was a big deal for that That organization and I just want to thank SPCAC staff and many others that put their name and energy behind lobbying the Senate and the Assembly as well as the Governor to go ahead and bring those funds available this year. And that really will help the organization through kind of a tough patch here while we're navigating a new executive director, kind of a new business model, as well as the high fuel costs right now.
So we've got a lot going on but hopefully brighter days ahead for Caltrans. With that, next would be Director Brown to provide an update on the Coastal Rail Coordinating Council.
Thank you, Director Nielsen. We met September 11th and The agenda included presentations regarding multiple projects to extend expand service on the corridor between the region of San Jose and the San Francisco Bay Area. It was I'm thinking garlic. Okay, so artichokes and garlic. Delicious on the note of this approved conceptual service plan. This is the first of its kind in the state of California. For expanding rail service during the 2028 Olympics if funded it would add 2 additional one coming South from the Bay Area through the county to Los Angeles and one train head north from La all the way to the Bay Area. The In addition, Caltrans provide updates regarding multiple planning and construction projects on the corridor improving safety and capacity needed in order to increase passenger service in the future.
There was also discussion of venues for future meetings such as potential potentially at the new Goleta train station once it opens. I think they were planning to have it this year, but it's not going to be open in time is what I find out so the next meeting will be November 20th with a tentative location of Los Angeles Union Station any questions? Thank you. That's my
report. Thank you, Director Brown and any one minute reports from Dean Directors going on? Director Prodo, do you have a one minute report?
I do. I will say real quickly though It's very lonely being the only person up here. I'm sorry, I could not join you today. I was unable to do that but I will next time. Anyway, I wanted to report real quickly on our train depot as you've heard it's been we thought it would be finished by the end of summer but you know construction there are some delays and we're looking at November and we'll make sure that everyone is invited Yeah, there's a lot of excitement waiting for that train depot to open. It's looking really good.
Okay and Losan we will be having a meeting this coming Monday the 21st so that's why there's no report on Losan I'll keep you posted on that I do want to let you know quickly, Supervisor Capps moved Santa Barbara and the City of Goleta hosted an e-bike summit in the city of Goleta. And it was by invitation only. SB CAG was there. It was a very impressive group of law enforcement at cottage hospitals, superintendents. Gosh! The list goes on. There's about 25 people But it was very well attended and they had another SB moves, had another virtual meeting summit in San Yanez. And then they also held one Santa Maria to my understanding so it was the first step in all of us talking about e-bike safety And what we can all do. And the legislators were there, their representatives to talk about legislation that's going through some that sitting on the governor's desk I haven't heard how it's doing.
So yeah it was a really good first start so thank you.
All right thank you Director Prodi any other women reports? Director Brown
Yes, a couple of things. I'm going to enjoy the new station at Goleta. I am going to the Cal Cities event or conference in Anaheim and I'm gonna take the train from Goleta to Anaheim and back I'll give you a report on that. But this weekend, that's really what's important Danish days. Don't forget Danish days are this weekend. It's going to be a lot of fun and we're looking forward to hosting a great number of tourists and visitors.
Well, thank you, Director Brown. But if you get your feel of Danish days, the Santa Maria Barbecue Festival is at the in Santa Maria this weekend. So make sure you head out there or the following weekend where you can visit the Los Alamos old days. So we've got a couple things going on in the fourth district as well. So with that, I think we conclude our agenda for today and next meeting will be October 15th, 2026 in Santa Barbara. It's also our birthday day. So we'll see you there.