BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 February 26, 2026

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51

We will call this meeting to

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:53

a regular meeting of February 26, 2026 to order at 6 p.m. Vice Mayor Mead could you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:04

pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role4:18

All right, if we could please have roll call.

Roll call — called by City Clerk
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Okay, Council Member Hornick? Here. Council Member Lewis? Here. Council Member Sanchez? Here. Vice Mayor Mead? Here and Mayor Silva? Here

Do we have any reordering of the agenda tonight? None

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:30

this evening although... Just one moment no none this evening that's fine.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role4:39

The suspense was killing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:40

me. That's

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role4:43

okay. None this evening, we're good We will move to public comment for any non-agendized items.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:15

Yeah. I had mentioned AB 1421, a state assembly bill. Just make sure to speak into the microphone. The state assembly bill, the mileage tax... Everybody I talked to, I can't find out anything about it. I was wondering what your positions were on it?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role5:39

Okay, so I apologize. So for public comment on

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role5:41

a non-agendized item, we are not able to talk about anything not on the agenda. So this is a chance for you to take three minutes to tell us anything you'd like to talk about but it's not really a dynamic or a Q&A situation. So we aren't able to have that discussion at this time. So if you'd like to share... Yeah?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:57

You can tell us what you want

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:59

us

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role5:59

to think about. You could yeah, you can share your opinion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed6:02

Yeah, like he said as far as not being able to find out much information on this When I looked it up on the internet, we pay 61 or 62 cents a gallon state tax. And so if you're gonna have a mileage tax which I understand some of it, the electric cars don't pay that, hybrids don't pay that. So yeah, you gotta have a way And I think it's important for us to understand that we're not getting the revenue and that's what it said when I looked it up online. Part of the reason for this bill, the revenue from gas taxes What are we, are we gonna put one on take the other one off?

Or are we just gonna put basically another burden on the state of those residents of California. You're paying a lot already and you're gonna add a mileage tax to people that live here I don't know, you know people are on fixed incomes. At a certain point what do you do? So yeah that was my question i wanted to find out what you guys knew about it uh i was hoping to ask the meeting i talked to you about this afternoon the state assemblyman see what he knows about it next month but I'm going to send you an email address.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role7:52

And then we can also pass along to the state and district representatives too, to be able to get some information from Sacramento directly to you as well. So we can take

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed7:59

care of that. Because yeah, some of it doesn't seem very thought through. Who would have thought? Yeah. I mean if you take the gas tax off and you're just gonna go with this mileage tax how do you get money from outside of California people driving on our roads? You know? How do you get that revenue? So yeah, like I said, I just don't think it's been thought through. It's already been passed but it supposedly passed but for review whatever that means.

So yeah, I find it hard to believe that there should be more out there about this if it's a bill definitely

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role8:52

if you want to leave your email with our city manager and then we can follow up for you and get more resources directed to you to answer those questions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:59

okay

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role8:59

thank you very much is there any other

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public

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:04

comment okay perfect

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role9:07

moving along will now move on to our consent calendar and those will be four items one through oh just one two three

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed9:17

I move to approve but also abstaining from the minutes. Is that acceptable? Motion? Yes? Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:26

Seconded.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Motion? Yes? Okay. Seconded. Okay,
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Okay, Councilmember Lewis? Aye. Councilmember Hornick? Aye. Councilmember Sanchez? Aye Vice Mayor Mead? Aye And Mayor Soto? Aye

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role9:36

Do we need a separate motion for the minutes to be approved or that's okay?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role9:39

No that's okay. Perfect

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role9:41

and now moving on to public hearings

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed9:45

All right. Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, there are two public hearings this evening. The first public hearing is a consideration of Ordinance No. 26-01, an ordinance of the City Council of the city of Buellton, California, revising City of Buellton Municipal Code Section 2.12 regarding city clerk. This is for the introduction and first reading only tonight, and our staff contact is our city clerk, Linda Reed.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role10:12

All right, thank you mayor and council members. When the city incorporated back in 1992 the City's Municipal Code was created by adopting much of the counties of Santa Barbara's municipal code and then we would revise and add sections to fit Buellton's needs through the years. One example would be section 2.12 regarding the city clerk position allowing the city manager or the authority to appoint terminate set compensation And assign duties to the city clerk. The original code section 2.12 and the red line version are attached for your reference, and staff recommends that the council consider these few changes in the introduction of first reading of ordinance number 2601, and if approved it'll be brought back for second reading at the March 12th meeting.

That concludes my report I'm happy to answer any questions.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role11:08

Okay. Is there any questions for staff at this time from any of the council members?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed11:14

No questions.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role11:16

And before I ask if there is any public comment, if anyone wants to do public comment on this item please go ahead and do a form. Seeing none we'll go ahead and close public comment. Do we have any items for this?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role11:28

No sorry no nobody online.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role11:30

Okay so we'll bring it back Well, I think it's a great idea.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed11:39

I just have one philosophical question. Do we think that this was brought this way as a checks and balance? And are we losing a check in balance by making the switch?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed11:53

I'm not sure how it was, how and why it was positioned this way. There are some cities around the state that have this. There are also some cities around the state for which within which the city clerk is an elected position When it's an appointed position, the issues that this brings up with me as a city manager is I would have essentially a member of the staff and a member of the executive staff, the confidential staff that is not within the organization. They report to the City Council directly which In and of itself isn't necessarily a problem. But in our case, where we have a city clerk and a human resources director, the human resources director portion of it would be would fall under my authority. The city clerk would fall into the City Council's authority.

The other issue that I have is more philosophical. It's ethical in nature. The city clerk is the elections officer for the city, and to my mind it puts the city clerk in a really interesting position to be the elected elections official but to be beholden to the parties that are elected to office and it opens up the possibility for or increases the possibility for some undue pressure on that position. Thank you.

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Roll-call vote Passed 3–0 · 2 under review
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Okay, Mayor Sola. Aye. Council Member Lewis. Aye. Council Member Hornick. Aye

public hearing item number 5, ordinance number 2602, an ordinance of the City Council of the city of Buellton, California, revising title 19, that's our zoning code, of the Buellton Municipal Code regarding outdoor lighting. And this is also for introduction and first reading this evening

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed14:20

See if I can do this pops up there. No, it does not want just a second. It's where it belongs. Okay, great.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed14:59

Good evening Mayor Silva, members of the City Council. So before you tonight for public hearing our proposed updates to the city's outdoor lighting standards. Our zoning code was last updated for lighting in 1994 and they're very minimal standards. There were some guidelines for outdoor lighting and Scott you can go to the next slide actually Um, there were some outdoor lighting standards adopted in our 2005 community design guidelines and these were mostly for minimizing light trespass and glare.

There were also one general plan policy in 2005 as well regarding lighting. So together, these have formed an informal policy for a dark sky friendly lighting ordinance. The planning department has carried out this policy with We Watch for the last 15 years or so and We Watch is a local San Ynez Valley based The city of Buellton is a resource conservation organization. They have a save our stars committee, they provided guidance to staff over the years for best practices on dark sky friendly lighting And then, um, recently there have been some in the last couple years issues with some problem lighting around town and there's been a. Desire it seems from counsel in the community for updated lighting standards so.

We've been working with we watch for the past year couple of years actually on a model ordinance they had. So the lighting standards that you see tonight is based upon that model ordinance along with. Next slide, please. So we have a lot of parts from other ordinances around neighboring jurisdictions and from dark sky international which is kind of the preeminent dark sky friendly lighting organization.

And also from Torrey Utah So the purpose of the ordinance is dark sky friendly lighting plus the reasons listed here. These are the purpose this is It's to conserve energy, preserve community character and maintain nighttime safety and adequate visibility. Also to protect the night sky people wildlife from adverse effects of nighttime lighting. And then implement a good neighbor policy.

Next slide

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed18:00

okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed18:01

so this ordinance would be applicable to all new and replaced outdoor lighting The non-conforming lighting that is existing on sites where a discretionary permit, like a conditional use permit would be required would be, that non-conforming lighting would be needing to be brought into conformance with the new standards. And this would also be for major modifications.

Exemptions... Would include some low-level lighting like you see here for landscape, architectural lighting. String lighting if it's partially shielded so just a cover on top so it doesn't shine upwards into the sky. Temporary lighting for events, seasonal holiday lighting these would be exempt and also emergency lighting and lighting for already exempt government facilities like schools.

Next slide. Prohibited lighting would be some high-intensity lighting like floodlights you see here, permanent blinking or flashing lights, lights that interfere with vehicle operations and digital billboards. Next slide. So some standards that would apply to projects with new or replaced lighting would be that the light has to shine downward In most cases, there are some exceptions.

Shielding, so this means that really the bulb is not seen if you're looking at the light straight on. So it has to be either recessed into the fixture or flush with the fixture. You can see some examples on the right-hand side of the screen and that all of those images you can see unshielded versus shielded lights And then there are some more standards for minimizing light trespass onto neighbors' properties and direct it away from sensitive areas like natural areas, creeks, rivers, homes.

Other requirements would be for LED or high-efficacy lighting, maximum heights, lighting controls. These are things like motion sensors, dimming timing controls Photometric plans would be required as well, and these would measure the brightness on a site. And then color temperature would. Be required to be a maximum of 3000 Kelvin so the image that you see at the bottom lights or can be warmer in appearance for cooler in appearance.

Uh, 3000 Kelvin is right in the middle there, so it tends to lean warmer. The lower Kelvin you go, the warmer the light appears. The higher you go like at 5,000, the cooler it appears. So red or warmer lights are more beneficial to nighttime lighting, not as disruptive to sleep and then 2700 Kelvin is shown to be kind of the max that would be That would not be harmful for wildlife, so we've required 2700 Kelvin in sensitive natural areas.

Next slide. So some exceptions to our lighting requirements would be that internally illuminated signs would still be allowed in the commercial zones or in the CR zone on commercial developments. And this would include some neon signage would be allowed in the Avenue flags area in limited amounts. And then other exceptions have been made for lights in the Avenue of Flags area, just because Art Deco lends itself to really unique lighting styles that could shine outwards but they would need to be diffuse so that the glass couldn't be clear. It would still have to have a top to cover the light so they don't shine upwards.

And then the Planning Commission made a recommendation I'm going to go ahead and open it up for public comment. We had mentioned at their last meeting that they would want to see porch lights allowed that have uplighting as long as they're covered under a porch or similar. So outdoor recreational lighting, this has some specific needs And then there's one section on exceptions, and this includes some accent lighting for objects of public interest. So flags art architectural features on historic buildings things like that.

And then, so everything I've been through so far is made to our main lighting section in the zoning ordinance. There is one other section in our code that talks about lighting and that's in the mixed use ordinance. So that language has just been removed because it's inconsistent with what is proposed. So part of the recommendation tonight would be I would like for the council to direct staff to come back with a resolution to update the community design guidelines, and this would just be updates for consistency with the new zoning ordinance amendment.

This would pertain to uplighting lighting height exposed bulbs some So the zoning ordinance amendment would be exempt from CEQA. This is under the common sense exemption, and there would be no potential to cause a significant effect on the environment because no physical development would be proposed with the amendments and the amendments would actually benefit the environment in terms of protecting wildlife and plants.

Next slide. So the recommendation is that the City Council introduced by title only and waive for the reading of ordinance 26-02 as stated, and direct staff to prepare a resolution to update the community design guidelines. This would come back with a second and final reading of the zoning ordinance amendments. And that is it for me but I'm available for any questions.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role24:58

Thank you very much for that presentation. I just wanted to remind everyone, if you're here in the audience wanting to do a public comment on this make sure to get your slips to our Deputy Director Kat Derry who will bring it back to Council for any questions of staff. It looks like you're ready to go Council Member Hornick.

CommentArt DecoProposed25:11

I don't have any questions actually thank

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role25:13

you. Any questions? Questions,

CommentArt DecoProposed25:14

thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role25:15

Council Member Sanchez?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed25:16

Yeah, do we know what the lighting lumens are on avenue flights in front of like PCP Anderson's right now?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed25:23

I do not know what the specific lumens are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed25:26

I actually had a complaint about it's too dark, you're out walking at night and you can't see as well as you should especially on public thoroughfare. I'd like to make it at least add a minimum public safety lumen thing. It's nice It's a low lighting, but in the public you need to see something. There was recently there was a big crime with the one that's Tucson and everybody was looking for their cameras to see if they could read anything or see anything. And the whole thing was Tucson is so dark and they don't like lights there. So nobody had any...

Nobody could see any cars in there. You know, their cameras. So I think there should be a minimum amount of light in public thoroughfare and at least have that threshold. It's nice to have the dark side but you don't need to have it dark on Avenue Flex in the middle of night.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed26:27

And on the public right-of-way there are public work standards that would have minimum lighting in the right-of way on public property I have a question for you, Mr. Mayor. On private property, that would be as proposed up to the private property owner to determine the security needs on the site. If you wanted to add something on private property for minimum lumens or minimum brightness, we could discuss?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:06

Well, it's a safer spot to go. If there is a lower level or if there is a set level.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed27:18

I was

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:20

going

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed27:21

to say, I received the same complaint. I've yet to look into it fully but I suspect that the cause of that has to do with light fixtures which were put in with PSU Anderson decades ago. And they just haven't been updated, perhaps the bulbs are not. I think

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:38

that was all a city project with lighting on the side. It

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed27:41

could well have been but I'll look into it. I'll make sure that that I'm sure we do have minimum lumen standards for street fixtures like that and if these don't meet it will look at bringing those up to code

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:53

public safety light.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed27:55

If there is a need to adjust the municipal zoning code for this, it probably would not be as a part of the night lighting or the outdoor lighting section. This is geared more toward lighting color and trying to diminish the lumens we want to put that in our public safety standards under lighting so I'll look into it and if there's a need to bring

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role28:25

I had a couple actually if you don't mind. I just curious was there a reason of settling between 3000 and 2700?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed28:32

So the 3,000 is what's recommended by Dark Sky International as kind of the maximum overall for citywide. And that's been shown in research to be less harmful than higher lumens. The 2,700 would only be in sensitive natural areas and that research has been shown on wildlife that 2,700 Kelvin is the max that does not disrupt wildlife patterns at night.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role29:00

Thank you. So if you have like a redevelopment of a site, so there's an existing building So by passing as is right now, and if we went through and adopted all this basically the current status of lighting would be maintained. And only if any project wanted to do any kind of realistic adjustments that's when we'd see any kind of impact from this. Correct. Okay thank you. And then my only other question was what's enforcement look like?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed30:03

So we have done some enforcement on nuisance lighting so far and it's been, if a property replaced their lighting or put in new lighting that was not compliant with our current standards and would be the same with the new ordinance if it was not for our new standards. We would go through the code enforcement process and get that property to Put in lighting per the standards.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role30:36

Including so even like residential that would fall under the same.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed30:40

If new or replaced, yeah it would apply to new or replaced lighting for residential. But

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role30:45

if you're upset with your neighbor's lighting right now this is not going to change that course of action? Yeah just new and replaced. Perfect just wanted to make sure we're understanding the baseline thank you very much.

CommentArt DecoProposed30:54

But can I ask, can i jump in? Do you have a question? Sure go for it! But if your neighbor replaces lighting that doesn't conform to standards that would be a code ordinance violation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed31:04

Potentially yeah.

CommentArt DecoProposed31:07

I triggered another question if I may. I don't want to, okay. Thank you. You did inspire it, thank you. That's the word I was looking for. I noticed that a lot of the lighting, the Kelvin choices and the shielding were to reduce wildlife impact as well. I was wondering, did we consider like the LED flashing? Like the fact that LEDs by their nature are flashing is that in that affects wildlife? Did that come into play at all?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed31:40

Is

CommentArt DecoProposed31:40

it in our ordinance at all?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed31:41

Yeah, we didn't come across anything with LEDs. But I mean flashing lights are prohibited obviously flashing lights but you mean the LED. Well

CommentArt DecoProposed31:55

yeah so LED is like by their nature right they flash and they flash at a pattern that's fast enough for our eye not to catch it but other animals see at a different frequency than us so they see it. I don't know if that was factored in.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed32:06

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed32:24

I'm here tonight to represent WeWatch. I'm on the board and Nancy submitted a letter which you should have in your packet, but I just had a few comments in support of the ordinance so here it goes. Good afternoon. Your staff has carefully developed an outdoor lighting ordinance that is even more thorough than the county's excellent ordinance adopted last year.

It balances varied interests, including ours. We urge you to adopt it as recommended by the planning commission. It protects the abundant wildlife that lives in Buellton by including the requirements that the river, creek and open space areas light fixtures use the warm light of 2700 Kelvin bulbs as recommended by wildlife researchers. We encourage the use of these bulbs wherever one finds wildlife which includes much of our valleys urban as well as rural areas. We strongly support the requirement that the major modifications of 25% or more be made subject to the ordinance, as it will speed up retrofitting of noncompliant lighting fixtures.

The required partially shielded string lights will mitigate the problems they cause neighbors and the night sky. Fully shielded string lights are available too and we encourage their use. The ordinance, including the planning commission's revision helps control uplift lighting a major source of nightlight pollution. We look forward to working with you your staff and residents on implementation of this ordinance to begin this work I'd like to share 2 brochures. I've got copies for you.

I do want to address Councilman Sanchez's concern with safety. If those lights are shielded on the top, they're protecting our night sky and allowing that light to shine down

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed34:37

Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role34:59

All right, we'll bring it back. Any other comments? Perfect. Bring it back to Council for discussion at this time or comments. I have a couple but still many. We'll pause for the distribution of flyers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed35:12

It's like a deck of cards. Thank you. Yeah. All

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role35:22

right. Thank you. The only comment I have and it's just something I think we should be mindful for is, I agree. I strongly support I just want to make sure we leave that open. I think that's something we can look at with anything. I just think we should keep it open as like if this doesn't fix the problems of complaints, I would feel bad to find out oh, we adopted this after a nuisance was established and there is no recourse for a resident. Just wanted to leave it open as a dialogue in the future.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed37:19

I move to approve ordinance number 26-02, an ordinance of the City Council of the city of Buellton revising title 19 zoning of the Buellton Municipal Code regarding outdoor lighting introduction. First reading.

CommentArt DecoProposed37:31

I'll second

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 move to approve ordinance number 26-02, an ordinance of the City Council of the city of Buellton revising title 19 zoning of the Buellton Mu
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it. Councilmember Lewis? Aye. Councilmember Hornick? Aye. Council Member Sanchez? Aye Vice Mayor Mead? Aye And Mayor Silva? Aye

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role37:42

Thank you for all the work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed37:44

Is that to give direction for staff to come back with updates to the community design guidelines as well?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role37:50

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed37:51

Do

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role37:51

we need to add an addendum?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed37:53

We could just add... I amend my motion to include that additional direction. Will you second that?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role37:59

Oh, seconded. Let's do another vote. Why

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion to include that additional direction. Will you second that? Oh, seconded. Let's do another vote. Why not? Okay.
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not? Okay. Council Member Lewis. Aye. Council Member Hornick. Aye. Council Member Sanchez. Aye Vice Mayor Mead. Aye And Mayor Selda. Aye

Thank you. Is there another option? We could do it at the third time of night. Wonderful, thank you for all your work on this and we appreciate your, and thank you to We Watch for all of your advocacy during this to make it happen. I will move this on now to Councilmember comments and items so let's start with Councilmember Hornick.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed38:26

You know, I don't really have any comments. Okay, Councilmember

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed38:31

Lueb?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed38:39

Asked me to mention that somebody had fallen on McMurray Road, on the south side of McMurray with a street and they, on a Chuck Muller, or into... That we would take care of the surface of the road down there. I know it's in disrepair. We've been waiting for it to be done after the development. If it's after the development, I'd rather get it sooner than later.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed39:05

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's, I'll have to go out and take a look or someone from our engineering staff will have to go out and take a look and see if there is an actual existing hazard such that we would need to take immediate action on that. But otherwise we'll, if there's not, we'll let the developer take care of that if there is one. Would

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed39:42

it be before they get occupied?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed39:45

If there's an immediate hazard, if there's an actual hazard, yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed39:53

I'm going to go ahead and close the meeting.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role40:04

Thank you for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed40:04

joining us.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed40:25

I wanted to say thank you to Santa Barbara Humane, ASAP Cats and the SYD Humane Society and DOG. Those three organizations participated in World Spay Day and SYD Humane and DOG got to participate and basically complete 17 spay and neuters for local families so I appreciate the collegiality of those animal rescue and animal welfare organizations working together to provide services for the valley.

I also wanted to mention that I was able to attend the Youth Making Change Award event. It was a really exciting event, that's through the Santa Barbara Fund. The two grant award winners were a group called Close Up Washington which is getting funding to allow students to visit Washington D.C., which is very exciting. We might have some potential city council members in the future going on that trip so it's always exciting to see young people so civically minded And the other group was the Takeo Youth Group's Indigenous Youth Docu-Series, which has the purpose of elevating indigenous and migrant voices through a docu-series basically sharing the experience of indigenous and migrant youth. So just a really wonderful award ceremony. It's always like I said exciting to see young people so civically engaged in caring so much about their community.

And speaking of that on Saturday, just as an FYI, I'm really excited that Buellton Library is going to be hosting a student advisory council for 30 high school students from the Santa Barbara County area. So if you happen to be at the library on Saturday morning we will be there with a bunch of students talking about lots of different things totally so It's really exciting. So I just really am appreciative of the organizations that are providing so much guidance and so much opportunity for our youth, and I'm happy to get to be a part of it and happy to get to see it.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role42:12

Thank you very much. Mine are actually just a bit more complaints I got from people at my coffee hour, so I just wanted to pass those along. So one was just to make everyone aware that the asphalt situation at Highway 246 and the Chevron gas station where the sidewalk meets there's a groove that apparently strollers will get stuck in when you're crossing the street and so it's just caused issue. They submitted some photos and I think I got that over to someone, I'm not sure but now it's just I can make sure I reported that for it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed42:42

Can I add on to that? It's also electric wheelchairs are having a difficulty getting over that. There is an ADA compliance issue we should be aware of. Just to add on, it's not about strollers. A little bit more than that too. Thank you for bringing that up. I apologize but I forgot.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role43:08

I don't know technical terms, but there's a phone box thing in the sidewalk next to the senior thrift store and kind of between us that had like a groove or something. Or like a pole that was chopped off? Do you know what I'm talking about?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed43:20

I do. There was a piece of metal extending out over the sidewalk in one particular location. Our engineering crew went out there took a look at it and did what we can I believe there's still a cone stuck on top of it or something like that. That's actually a phone company facility and we can't really touch it, they have to come out fix it but they've been made aware of the problem

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role43:44

Okay, perfect. Thank you for making that a much more technical explanation than the box phone sidewalk poll. And then finally I just want to say I know I got a lot of complaints. I want to make everyone aware that on 246 on the east side entry across from the hitching post right along the Dale property, I just want to make everyone aware that the weed situation has been reported to Caltrans And for anyone wondering, there is no magic phone number to call. I also just submitted a ticket and got a number assigned to it, and it's on their witness. But I just want to make sure everyone's aware that property owner's not able to mow the section that is under Caltrans' easement. So I just wanted to say everyone, like, it's crazy they could mow maybe up to their property line but there was a difference of that and they're not allowed to do so.

If you'd like to keep complaining to Caltrans about the weed abatement, it has been made to their... But I just wanna make everyone aware Feel free to report to Caltrans, but just wanted everyone to know that the property owner is unable to mow at this time because they're not allowed to. Oh the weeds are gone? I made that an okay well my ticket worked way to go! Okay there you go look at that ticketing as i always say Caltrans so responsive to their ticketing thing apparently. So um we'll backtrack that if you want to get the weeds done submit the ticket it works fast. Um okay so now move right along uh we'll go to written communications do we have any written communications tonight? None this evening All right, we'll move to committee reports.

Any committee reports from you? Council Member Hornick, any committee reports?

CommentArt DecoProposed45:05

No, I attended the Ad Hoc Shredder Hills site committee virtually but it was very difficult to hear in the audience and only staff could hear me so I will let you also in attendance report on that. That's all I have. Council

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role45:19

Member Lewis,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed45:21

anything else? A committee meeting for the Visitors Bureau There's been over 200 people in the that again on the website, the website is brought up a lot more people. They're spending a lot of time on the website and there's over 200 itineraries. It's been a good tool to use. And they're also looking at trying to promote something during the soccer, the World Cup is coming.

So they wanted to have some kind of a theme there's going to be some major practices that just UCSB and you might know about that with what's going on but just to attract some more business here The us during the world cup. Yeah, so I just want to give you a heads up on that they were talking about making that some bill bookstore. Our visitorship and C. C. W.

A. Meeting today and it was a good meeting there's 1 thing. At the end of that was talking about laws. And there's a law, it's SB 872 and it's actually a law that will help repair the levy which is on the way. There's some subsidence on the canal. It's coming our way and it needs to be kind of repaired There's some environmental money coming, there's a big pocket of money. So there is SB 872 which we would like to promote or get a letter to follow up on. I'll follow up with Scott about that and make sure we have our voice in on that.

And everything else is fine when the water's done.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role47:14

Thank you. Thank you for your time. I wanted to make sure everyone is aware that so long time ago the whole thing with measure A was to provide a lane and train. Look at our previous mayor, Holly Sierra in the audience here who has been you remember that conversation well too. So the lane is allegedly this is like the rain in Spain falls gently on the plane.

The lane should be done in 2028 but It will run all the way up to back to Union Station around 536 o'clock in the evening. So anyone who's looking to get to Union Station around 536 p.m., there is a train you can catch heading southbound as well. The train portion is pseudo-completed, the lane two more years to go. And then the only other thing I'll say, it actually is referenced earlier on but I want to make sure everyone's aware that Assemblymember Greg Hart will be doing his sidewalk office hours. I believe at 1130 a.m. on Friday the 13th? That sounds correct. Yes, Friday the 13th and that'll be at the 246 and Avenue Flags intersection so if you'd like to talk or make your concerns known to our state assembly person he'll be there and happy to answer your questions.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed49:07

All right. And a question, the 100 Hills meeting, are we going to be able to see those survey results? I believe it's available actually online

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed49:16

already. Yeah they're posted up on the Buellton Engage

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role49:19

page. Oh thank you. So great moving right along we'll move on to our business items

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed49:26

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The first business item, Item No. 6 is the establishment of City Council priorities for 2026. I am your staff contact on that so I'll just introduce that right now. The council met on January 10th this year in a special meeting at the library conference room for the purpose Council priorities were set and were placed on the consent calendar for the last City Council meeting. Due to questions that could not be answered because I was not here, the item was continued to this meeting. I have since had discussions with council members who had questions and we're bringing it back to the city council's consideration. I am happy to answer any additional I would like to reiterate these are your priorities. So if you have factual questions about how something might work, that's great but the priorities are yours.

I don't have a recommendation for them other than you give me a list of priorities. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role50:37

Great we'll bring it back to council for any

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed50:47

We have a motion and a second.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role51:17

Any other questions at this time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed51:19

No.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role51:20

We'll see if there's any public comment on this item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed51:22

No public comments on this item.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role51:24

Okay, we'll bring it back for any further discussion or possible motion. Motion to approve.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role51:29

Second.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role51:30

Great.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 Motion to approve. Second. Great. Hey,
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Hey, Council Member Sanchez. Aye. Council Member Lewis. Aye. Council Member Hornick. Aye Vice Mayor Mead. Aye And Mayor Soto. Aye
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed51:43

All right. Item 7. This is resolution number 26-02, a resolution of the City Council of the city of Buellton California fixing the employer's contribution under the public employees medical and hospital care act at an equal amount for employees and annuitants and revoking resolution 25-17.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role52:16

Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. This is a continuation from last week's discussion in regards to Resolution 2602. This resolution sets the monthly employer contribution to a fixed amount and also revokes Resolution 2517 previously adopted So, a little background. According to city personnel rules health benefits are required to be provided to full time employees also government code section 22892 states that the employer fixed contribution must be set by resolution and that employer contribution must be affixed them out in addition the.

Full-time employees and retirees need to have equal contributions. So, excuse me here. It just kind of went out of order. Okay so looking at attachment 1 on the staff report We highlighted the city's current health plans. The city's health plans are administered by CalPERS and includes two plans, the HMO Blue Shield Access Plus Plan and the PPO PERS Platinum Plan. The 2026 rates for the HMO plan increased 11% and the PPO plan increased by 13.31%.

Health insurance costs continue to rise each year, and adjusting the employer contribution helps employees avoid excessive out-of-pocket premium costs due to these increases. And this increase in the employer contribution coverage or contribution helps employees maintain coverage and avoid additional financial strain. And on this slide, I also included Medicare plans because like I mentioned we also have to provide the same contribution. To the retirees and these are different retiree plans and again they have grown some of the plants have grown significantly as well.

Okay, so throughout this presentation I will be speaking about the important contribution which all mentioned as the just for the ease of the presentation. The current. Is 1800 dollars a month? The last time the employer contribution was set was to resolution 25 dash 17, and it set this maximum amount to be effective. This year as of January 1st, 2026, and that was based on the premium levels.

And it was kind of a standard base provided by other cities. Um, in the employers response is responsible for anything above the 1800. The proposed resolution sets the ERC to $2,190 a month. This is to be effective July 1st, 2026. The method of calculating this ERC is based on 80% of the lowest family HMO premium. Which is the premium amount of 2737.51 so that contribution.

Is 2190 per month and again, the employees responsible paying above the 2190. The proposed ERC increase is an additional 390 dollars. Per subscriber per month. So, the total fiscal impact of this increase is assuming all 19 full time employees are subscribed to the city plan. That would be a benefit increase of $88,920 for full-time employees. And for annuitant it only impacts one retiree who is currently at the max of $1,800.

So for this annuitant the annual fiscal impact is $4,680 for a total increase of $93,600. The increase will be reflected on Fiscal Year 26-27 budget So, the resolution also. Discussing setting a cash in lieu amount currently. Employees who opt out of cash on lieu. Receive 1800, which is the same as the contribution towards the health premium. Uh, there are currently 11 employees who elect cash in lieu.

Some employees choose to waive the city health coverage because they're issued. Um, their insurance are elsewhere and. They, they receive the payment. Many of these employees use the cash a loop payment to offset rising costs. Under other coverages, such as coverage California or other private plants. The cash and Lou helps them maintain coverage. Okay next 1 so the proposed resolution.

also has an effective date of July 1st, 2026. So the method of calculating this cash in lieu amount was basing it off on the ERC so it's 85% of the ERC which in the previous slide was $2,190. So that equates to $1,861.50 which is an increase of $61 And $0.50 per month for those employees who elect Cash-in-Lieu. The resolution also states that we set a max on this Cash-In-Lieu comparison and so staff recommends that cap At 2000 dollars and the reason for the 2000 dollars it because it helps maintain more of a budget stability, uh, because interest or not interest premium held premiums keep going up.

Every year we want to make sure that any given year where they go extremely high up, we never gonna pay over the 2000 dollars so the resolutions. You know, recommends that council said the absolute max of 2000 dollars. But I want counsel to keep in mind that the actual cash and loop payment. Is 85% of the ERC? Or 2000 dollar whichever is less so again based on the current.

Premiums for the family HMO plan that cash and Lou would be 1861 dollars and 50 cents. And then an additional portion of the resolution. The resolution also states that Council should establish an annual review to review CalPERS rates on an annual basis, then staff would return to council only if adjustments are necessary to maintain the target coverage level. So I kind of wanted to provide this cycle of where we Are now where and where we will be in a year from now. So, currently as of January 1st, 2026, the ERC is 1800 dollars if council approved tonight's resolution effective July 1st 2026, the ERC.

Will increase to 2190. CalPERS releases their new rates late July. So, in late July we will get notice of the 2027 premiums. Staff will review and around August September of this year staff will re-evaluate the ERC if the If the increase is significant, we will come back to City Council proposing a new ERC if the increases weren't. If the premiums don't go up significantly then there's no need to increase it and I also want to mention that at this time we can also revisit cash or lieu like I mentioned. We're just going to keep reviewing this annually and then I wanted to kind of give a timeline so if Adopt a new ERC in the fall.

Open enrollment is mid-September to make up mid October, so that gives employees time to review their personal situation and determine whether they want to get on the city plan or continue their cash and loot option. And then January 1st, 2027, the new ERC takes effect based on what council adopts August, September 2026. So, staff recommends adopting resolution number 26-02.

It will increase the employer paid health contribution to $21.90 per month. Cash a loop payments to 85% of employer contribution or $2,000 per month. Whichever is less and it sets an absolute maximum amount of the cash on loop. To 2000 dollars per month can also direct staff. To review the premiums on an annual basis when the count 1st releases that the new rates.

And council will consider adjustments only if necessary to maintain the 80% coverage of the lowest family plan. And I am open to answer any questions City Council may have.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:03:34

All right, thank you so much we'll bring it back to council for any questions of staff. Any questions Council Member Lewis?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:03:43

No thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:03:44

Any member questions Council Member Hornick?

CommentArt DecoProposed1:03:47

I do have a question just trying to do a little math very quick Thank you. I just had a quick question, so the resolution proposes to spend 80% on Okay. And then the cash in lieu, why was $1,800 chosen as the number for cash in lieu?

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:04:33

So, on this slide that I highlighted if you see the red arrow. That it 1650 is actually a calculation so we're stating that the cash and Lou will be 85% of the employer contribution. Amount which were proposing to be 80% of the lowest family plan. So, if you see here the calculation it's 2190 times 85% is the cash in lieu now becomes 1861.50. Right? So I mean, so you're just aiming for 85%

CommentArt DecoProposed1:05:08

of the. 2 party amount was at the lowest.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:19

It's 85% of what the employer contribution is, and the employer contribution would be 80% of the family rate for the lower

CommentArt DecoProposed1:05:27

cost

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:27

plan.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:05:31

I'm just wondering, because in the chart, I see the family rate for 2026 is $2,737.51, not 2,190. No, that 2,190 is 80% of the employer's contribution. 85%. It's 80% of that. Right. And then the 85% is 18. It's a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:05:39

percentage of a percentage. Yeah. OK. And this is more of a general question about how come New CalPERS Gold? Just to negotiate it or not in our plan? CalPERS gold, I think it had to do with the providers in our area. The CalPERS gold plan because it had been here but it's not now. It's not offered at this point and I don't know why.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:06:11

Right, the platinum is more widely taken we don't have a lot of options

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:06:16

yeah

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:06:16

in this valley and in Santa Barbara so everybody uses the platinum which covers them.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:06:23

Thank you any questions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:06:26

by Sarah Meek? No thank you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:06:28

Just so I only question I have just to make sure I understand. So if you are a single person on the 2026 plan, you basically the ERC would cover, I'm looking at Blue Shield access plus HMOs 1052 89. Basically it just means you would not have any deduction from your paycheck for it. So it's not like you get that and then the difference between the ERC It's basically you either take the ERC contribution which will be up to 21, the number. If you have a plan that is higher than that, that's deducted from your paycheck. If it's not then you just don't see a deduction at all or you can opt into the in lieu cash payment and go out into the world and purchase your own insurance as you see fit. That's correct.

Perfect. So

CommentArt DecoProposed1:07:10

I'm

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:07:10

sure I understood that

CommentArt DecoProposed1:07:11

so that is different from what I was asking before, so maybe I wasn't clear. So the 80% is not for every plan. It's it's what's the 80% apply to?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:07:21

Know that the 80% is for every plant where we use the calculation of the 80%. So, wherever so we're going to look at the family plan as our basis. So whatever the lowest family plan is at that time will take 80% of that premium and that's going to be the employer contribution regardless if they're single 2 party family. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:07:45

And also regardless if they choose the PERS Platinum for 3708, they're paying the difference because we are using that lowest family plan as our number not 80% of any plan. Right. Does that make sense?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:07:59

I wasn't

CommentArt DecoProposed1:07:59

listening. I'm

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:07:59

sorry. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:08:00

you. She answered

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:08:01

my question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:08:02

It's all good.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:08:04

And then just to confirm let's say next year suddenly Anthem Blue Cross Select HMO is the lowest family plan price. Then it would just be 80% of that plan, would be the way means of formulating the ERC. We're just using that for 2026. The Blue Shield Access Plus HMO happens to have the lowest family plan. That dictated the 80%. And then we took the 80% amount there and 85% will be what the cash-in-lieu payment is also worth. Great!

Great. So we'll move to if there's any public comment on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:08:40

We have no public comments on this item.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:08:42

Okay, we'll bring it back for discussion and a possible motion. Any comments? Vice Mayor Mead?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:08:48

No, thank you, Chanel. You explained it exceptionally well and I really appreciate the presentation. Thank you.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:09:07

I was surprised to see the cash-in-lieu be that high. My familiarity with cash in lieu is typically something more nominal and I guess my concern would be, you know, the idea that, correct me if I'm wrong staff where I'm confused about this but let's just say two people work for the city and then one has the family plan, the $1,800 could compensate

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:35

If one, if an employee has the ability to obtain insurance from someplace other than the city. Let's say from a spouse's employer or they want to go out and purchase it on the market then yes, the way that's set up right now is you would wind up with that. We don't distinguish between the reason why they're not making the, so if it's, if they're getting it through a spouse ERC, the in-lieu payment would be just that an in-lieu payment. If they don't need it to buy insurance then it would not be for insurance if they do need it to buy insurance then they would buy insurance with it because by law you're required to carry health insurance

CommentArt DecoProposed1:10:22

yes and is the same true for the retirees? Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:10:29

Although it's a little different with the retirees. There is no, I don't believe there's an opt-out payment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:10:37

No, there is no cash in lieu for retirees that is completely separate. Retirees just receive that fixed amount of $2190. If their premium is less they only get up to that. There's no cash out.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:10:52

Yeah I mean, I'm all for providing health care coverage to employees. My only concern is like I said that I flagged that as a little high seeming to me but maybe I'm in the minority there. Anybody else?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:11:06

It wasn't, I mean this is something that this cash-in-lieu payment has been how long has this historically been available?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:11:13

Well, through our personnel rules it's been available forever.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:11:18

So I would just say that that's become a basis that we've had normalized. I like this because I feel like in the past our medical coverage has been very ad hoc. It's been very how are we feeling? What do we think? How are things going? I like that there's a timeline. I like that it's based off of percentages. I like that everything kind of has... I'm in support of this as it's

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CommentArt DecoProposed1:12:08

I would agree with that, but it's coming back to annually anyway. I mean, I'm just going to review it annually anyway.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:12:14

So there is a reason why it has to be annually CalPERS resolution says it's a fixed amount so if in a year that rate changes it's now 80% of that rate right? So right now it's 2190 next year can be 2200. So now we have to send the resolution to CalPERS stating the 2200 they don't work on a calculation that's more on us to determine that ERC account amount

CommentArt DecoProposed1:12:41

Can I ask you how many people take the cash in lieu out of our employees? 11 out

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:12:44

of 19.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:12:46

Okay, so more people take cash and leave than the health insurance bill.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:12:51

Yeah but I also would say we might have a conversation about now that cover Calif- or the Affordable Care Act has drastically changed what the marketplace looks like. I'd be curious to see what that would look like next year when we've seen those subsidies increase drastically or decrease drastically which prices have gone up quite a bit.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:13:10

They went up 40% as of January because You know, what's happening. I'm not sure if that's a good idea. I mean, with the laws is changing, you know, the marketplace,

CommentArt DecoProposed1:13:22

right? But that means more people might jump on our city plan, but they can't jump until October, right when it's open enrollment, correct?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:13:28

Correct into that and finance financial reasons. It's not a reason to be able to opt back into our

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:13:36

I've tried that myself and with this timeline means now we will know what So we're establishing now what our contribution will be prior to open enrollment, which now means staff has the information of here's what the city is going to cover. Here's what the marketplace is. I can now make an informed decision versus us having this conversation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:13:58

However, we may not know what the covered California rate is until after an open enrollment ends. So employees are going to have to make a judgment call. Is it better to go with a known quantity and opt into the city plan or are they going to take the risk that the covered California plan would be more expensive?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:16

So they'll at least know what we're covering in the time of then. Yes, so it removes at least a little gray area for employees. So I can

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:24

always get out of insurance. They can't always get back into insurance.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:28

Got to love that.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:30

So if Covered California goes way down and subsidies are abundant and goes way down, they can get out of our insurance, get on to Covered California again and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:14:40

take

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:41

the payment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:14:42

OK,

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:43

I'll defer that cost.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:14:50

Okay, I'm hearing no further comments. I'd like to move to approve resolution number 26-02, a resolution of the City Council of the city of Buellton, California fixing the employer's contribution under the Public Employees Medical and Hospital Care Act at an equal amount for employees and annuitants and revoking Resolution Number 25-17.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:15:10

I'll second.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:15:12

You have a motion? I was going to make a comment I have a motion and a second.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:15:40

We will certainly do that no later than the time we would bring this resolution to you next year. By then it should be clear which way, but if you'd like an interim report probably after the first of the year once or we could even bring it to you before the end of the year here. Once open enrollment closes we can probably let you know the number that have...

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:01

Well actually I get the figures in about July and they're firmed up Before open enrollment, so I always send that to staff. So they know what it is.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:16:11

Yeah, but I'd be

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:12

happy

CommentArt DecoProposed1:16:13

how our employees are moving towards towards our plan or not right now

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:16:19

would be after open enrollment is November

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:22

mid September to October. I think it's important

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:16:25

to have an evaluation every year and see how things are going.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:48

Thank you so much and thank

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:51

you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:51

to everyone who got to learn

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:54

so

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:54

much about insurance tonight through

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:58

the city. I think we've got to get something introduced. Don't wait, always wait for the introduction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:17:19

And the band?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:17:22

Costume change is also encouraged.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:17:24

Thank you Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council. Item number eight is a report and request for direction from the Friends of the Buellton Library. I am your staff contact so I will simply state that Friends of the Buellton Library has requested the ability to give a report on their current activities And also we'll be looking to request direction or opinions from the City Council on particular matters that will be brought forward. At this point I will turn this over to Holly Sierra, the current president of the Friends of the Buellton Library for the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:17:58

report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:18:01

Thank you very much for being here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:18:02

Thank you, Mayor Silva, Council Members. I'm representing Friends of the Buellton Library and I've got three items I need to inform you of. First of all, I want to let you know Since we've opened the library, what the friends have done. And it's been with the help of council giving us the room so that we can keep it open, raise money for the library and an incredible group board members and group of volunteers. So the highlights of 2025 were we purchased furniture for the library including the tables in the chairs inside the library. We bought furniture and bookshelves for the Friends of the Buellton Library additional tables and chairs. The chairs have been used in the bigger room when they run out of chairs we have extra chairs that go back and forth.

Funds of the library paid for this summer and winter storytime reading programs. We've had Book sales to date at the new location. We have worked with the Chumash to acquire four paintings, one from Raymond Ventura and three from Bobby Duran in the children's section of the library. Beautiful artwork and the Chumash wanted to be a part of the library so that worked out well.

We've hosted our first speaker series in October We had our first community volunteer brainstorming session in August. We've gone from open one to three days a week. We're working with our volunteers, we'd like to open one more day a week and then start extending those four days but we are open three days and we're seeing a lot of people, a lot of parents come in with their children to use the kitchen and to color And the parents are shopping, and I volunteer three days a week. And I think I have contributed more to the monies raised by Friends of Buellton Library by buying books every time I go in there.

Anyway, we continue to build an engaged group of volunteers. Our board is incredible. Our volunteers are amazing. We went to the Buellton Barbecue Bonanza last July to build awareness and to engage people to come to the library We have commissioned local artist Tyler Powers to build a bicycle rack. It's an eight-foot long bicycle rack shaped like the Very Hungry Caterpillar, which is a book written by Eric Carle and I can't wait! I've got to discuss with Rose or staff how we're going to fit an eight foot bicycle rack at the library, but it's going to be a showpiece. We've also commissioned a painting by Rebecca August who is a renowned oil painter in the valley.

She's doing a...it's basically a dairy farm, the farmhouse on the property in the painting and cows, and we are hoping to have a dedication when it's presented with whatever Willamson family we can get there. We're working on that one. And we are finishing up, we finally got funding for our electric tricycle book library which is a tricycle that can hold 200 books and it's electric powered because we're hoping to the park, we can deliver old books to residents that can't get to the library. We are doing our darndest to promote the library every way we can and we had one volunteer if you go to foblbuellton.org You can now, where is it? I just had it. We have a new website Friends of the Buellton Library and it tells you about the events that are going on and the hours that were open and the prices and the hours of the library and it is Heather Mercer who is our Angel Ferry volunteer with IT We have our first art Authors afternoon with three local artists, March 21st at two o'clock.

We have another speaker series in May. We're working on a chalk painting to go around the building. Adults and children welcome as long as they can draw in their square anything that pertains to a book whether it's Charlotte's Web or Dorian Gray doesn't make any difference as long as it's with a book Scott sent you, this is what we're asking. Two things. Scott sent you some ideas of artwork, exterior artwork. We've done some really neat things with the interior of the library. We would like to draw people's attention to the outside and make them want to come in. We've talked about doing the tile work with the artist Veronica who has done the tile work at the post office here And we've also would like to sit down with Liz and perhaps do paintings, like across from City Hall.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:23:42

Beautiful oil painting, this is a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:23:43

teacher in Lompoc and she gets students to help her and we could do I think he sent you the pictures it's like books finds and it has the snowy day with the character trudging in the snow or mutiny on the bounty with a pirate ship or even a sculpture, an outdoor sculpture. We would like to do something that's going to just kind of draw people into the property and then from there they'll go into the library. The whole point of having the authors, the artists, the speakers for our open hours is to get people to come in and then we can turn them on to the library because it's once they go in there they'll keep going back So I will be contacting you. I don't think, unless you've got ideas now for what you'd like to see outside, I can start bugging you in the next week or so and see what you might be interested in seeing.

And the other thing is most of the ideas for the artists, the authors have come from our brainstorming sessions where we invite the community to come and tell us what they'd like to see If the Council has anything they want to see. I mean, we're trying to bring people to the Friends Room and we're right next door to the library. We try to do it while the library is open so we can just direct them.

And if you have any ideas of anything you'd like to see, puppy adoption Carla. We can do puppy adoption on the grounds. I mean good God there's so many things we could do. Anyway if you have anything I'm open to any questions about what we have done and I appreciate all the support we've gotten from you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:25:28

Thank you very much. We'll go ahead and have questions for if you wouldn't mind staying up here any question? No, no please. Council Member Sanchez any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:36

You were talking about chairs do you have extra chairs or events?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:40

We bought, how many chairs are on there? I think it's 40 chairs. We have a rack on rollers and there's 40 chairs on it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:49

Can you do any outside things?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:51

We

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:51

could,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:52

we truly could. I mean that we did purchase, I didn't mention it, the picnic tables that are out in front of the friend's room at the driveway to the library. We were able to purchase those And we're working with Scott and Rose for furniture on the patio, looking out over the hills. It'd be really nice for somebody to be able to take a book and sit outside and just enjoy it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:20

So I agree. If the chairs maybe you could have them for rent for events then you can make some money for the library. Oh

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:26:30

yeah. We'd rather, you know we've had people come in and ask if they can borrow them for the back room and right now we're trying to just be really good neighbors. And if we start running, we've been really really lucky. We actually have 31 plus thousand in our bank account. We've really been working. I mean book sales and selling in the, we are trying really hard to keep it rolling But

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:57

when we had our event, when we had our meeting, somebody brought their own chair sat out in front and was smart. So there's a demand for Okay, shows our secretary. I want to thank the on the electric bike sounds wonderful. Well, the city has helped with that the city helped with funding books as well. So if you go to be like the ice cream. We're going to go ahead and

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:27:38

We have been trying to figure out how we can And we'll put a little thank you on the logo. But if, and then we need to talk with the library staff. We're working on a memorandum of understanding with Goleta Library and then we're gonna have to sit down with Buellton, with City Council and work out an MOU with you guys but we have to have special training. I'd like to be able to check out books and we'd have to have special training. The library will not allow any of their staff to use the electric bicycle So we'll be looking for volunteers. And if any of you guys want to volunteer to ride an electric bike around town, should be pretty cool.

Like a door dash? Pretty close. You got a book hold to deliver? Yeah.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:28:40

Anyway. We'll get on the list. Council

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:28:43

Member Sanchez I will let you know that it is my plan to make sure that we have money placed in the budget to purchase chairs for the conference room.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:28:53

And you're welcome to borrow ours

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:28:55

anytime. I want to thank you for bringing art to the, I like all your ideas there and i think it's a wonderful idea.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:29:01

Thank you, thank you. Any questions Council Member Lewis? No, no question.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:29:07

Council Member Hornick? Uh thank you Holly for all your work in the library, it's awesome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:29:10

It's fun, it'a lot of fun. I've got an amazing group to work with And they make it so easy for me. I just get up here and smile.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:29:21

I'm sure you're downplaying that, but... So you said the Friends of the Library are three days a week?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:29:26

Three days a week we're open. It's two hours right now Monday 10 to 12, Tuesday 2 to 4, and Saturday 11 to 1. If you go to fbolbuelton.org the hours are posted It's pretty cool. There's a really neat picture down on events of some ladies that's gonna be doing a quilt raffle again this year. But yes, it's only two hours right now. We're selling about $50 to $60 a week in book sales.

A lot of people come in just to talk and for the kids to play and right now- Yeah

CommentArt DecoProposed1:30:03

that's what I wanted to get too. When I was there and I saw you all, it was great. The kids loved it and sounds like you said the kids love it. And so it's not open when you guys aren't there, right? No. So is it possible and what would you need

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:30:18

More volunteers.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:30:20

Just volunteers?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:30:20

More volunteers, a lot of our volunteers are seniors and they don't the whole book selling and sitting there and talking they're just nervous around smaller children some of them.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:30:33

Interesting so I was wondering like I mean something maybe could partner with uh San Antonio Valley Community Outreach because i know that a lot of people You know, a lot of the seniors there to they're looking for community engagement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:30:45

Thank

CommentArt DecoProposed1:30:45

you. I'm sure you thought

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:30:47

that's a great idea. We have a senior liaison on our board and I'll get Carol on that. Absolutely,

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CommentArt DecoProposed1:31:13

absolutely.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:31:15

Now there's a lot of walls on the library and I don't think we really want anything right in residence spaces no no no and we'd work with the city we wouldn't we don't do anything without checking with we have kind of two we have we go through Scott then we go through Joanne Plummer with City of Goleta there's two different entities that we have to yeah it's fun

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:31:38

thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:31:39

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:31:41

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:31:44

I was told to make it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:44

five minutes. Sorry, Scott. No, it's okay. The five minutes doesn't count as asking questions. So just to reiterate, obviously Friendship Library doing an excellent job. I was just wondering kind of in the bigger picture when you talk about art like this for the library are you thinking permanent? Are you thinking temporary? Are you thinking hybrid? Like you obviously have interior art I'm strictly talking

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:32:09

about these exterior ideas it could be it could be anything. I've been thinking more of permanent we do have at the art exhibit coming the first Saturday in March from 2 to 4 one of the brainstorming sessions they said they wanted local artists to be able to display so we have four local artists And their work will be on display in the friend's room for the month.

And then we're going to rotate that around, in May we'll do it again and I think in August or September we have another one so that one is rotating. The exterior could be rotating usually with the cost to get those things It seems if you rotated it from a building to another building maybe. Right, but yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:59

I was just wondering if you thought about that and then um question just generally speaking like what are how do you decide? Like what's the what's like how did you decide on the artwork that's already there and kind of go like just out of curiosity or like this exhibit that's coming up is it just from the feedback that people have been giving you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:33:18

Feedback from the people we had a volunteer again My job is so easy. We had a volunteer, Cheryl Ayuda who used to work for the library here when it was with the city of Lompoc now we're with the city of Goleta and she has found a home in the friend's room and she has organized all the books which is really cool to have a librarian do that for you and she's an artist and when we mentioned the art show she said oh I'll take care of that okay So she's been out talking to different friends in different galleries, and she's got two professional artists coming and then two amateurs.

And that we let we gave her total control of that for the artwork in the children's room, the Raymond Ventura I'm I would love to make all the decisions myself or hand it out to board members and let them decide. But honestly, when we first thought about going to Arts & Culture with the tile work and we got Ronica to come up with something the day before it had to be submitted and we submitted it and some of the arts and culture boards said this isn't what we were thinking at all.

And it kind of It made me almost slap myself. It was like we were so intent on what the board was thinking of, what I was thinking of that we weren't including other people. So that's part of the reason why I'm here tonight because I'd really like a lot more input. We're going to get a lot more community input

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:35:16

and before we do anything, of course,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:35:17

we come to city manager and City of Goleta We haven't done a series of moves yet. You know, not that there's anything wrong with that but every there's a place for everything right and yeah no we wouldn't do anything without Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:35:38

You kind of preface what I was going to ask because then we'll bring it back for discussion further where we'd like to go, but I was wondering, it seems like it might benefit the Friends of the Library to have also more predictability from the city and input, and I'm wondering is that something that you're thinking would it make sense for us to discuss about having someone from Arts & Culture, someone from the Planning Commission, maybe someone from City Council be involved with Friends

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:36:04

We do have a city of Goleta, Joanne, who is the head of the Goleta library. They come up to every one of our meetings. It would be nice to have some That's a good idea.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:36:43

And so the only other question I had was, now I've lost it. I'm going to stall for a moment while I think about it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:36:50

Well we did an MOU with Goleta.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:36:52

Thank you. It's the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:36:53

MOU. And that's why we have a City of Goleta employee on our board and when we do an MOU with the city of Buellton then hopefully we can incorporate that into it.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:37:08

Perfect. So you answered my question on the MOU, so that's all I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:37:11

have. Thank you so much. I had another comment. It always bothered me that the library is closed two days a week with our buildings there doing nothing and it would be nice if we consider being open on the closed days or at least if somebody showed up in the library was closed they'd have place to get a book And it would be, I don't know if that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:37:32

matters. Yeah, we were talking about because I know the library would like to be open on Sundays and we thought if we were going to open another day of the week, it would be on a Sunday. We have found that like we show up when it's President's Day or Martin Luther King Day, we've opened up The Friends Room because the library is closed and it's a place And they're just dead. I mean, people do other things. We did have one day where the library was supposed to be open and it was raining so badly that they just closed it for the day. Flooding, there was a flood watch or something and I wasn't there. I was gonna go in and Sherry called and said don't bother, it's pouring nobody is gonna come. And it was the busiest day they had.

So it's really hard to tell. It's really, really... They went to the library to get out of the house and the library was closed and they came in the Fred's room and she said there were like 12 kids running around and parents and it was crazy. And she had a blast. Great. So we really like serving the community and we love our library so appreciate your help. Thank you very much. Do

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:38:48

we have any public comment on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:38:50

We do not have

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:38:51

any public

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:38:51

comment

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:38:52

And just to be clear, this is really just staff or this is just council direction and things like that and kind of informational. So we'll bring it back for discussion on if we want to provide any direction to staff about how to move in the space? Is that what we're looking

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:39:03

for? I think what Friends of the Library is looking for is just some thoughts from individual council members or collectively as a body as to how you'd like to proceed whether there's specific ideas you want to give them for the I don't know if you want to talk about the type of an art presentation. She's given some examples that are in your staff report or whether you want to give some sort of policy direction to staff as to how we move forward with this to get, to provide the friends the information they're looking for.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:39:44

So I this, I think this conversation begets a larger structural piece that I think is important. So um, I think that especially with this being a city owned building and there's other city owned buildings, this general idea of public artwork, especially with like our general plan update coming that we should basically just have a policy for city owned buildings or this public art idea because it seems like these conversations can always be one off. Like do we like this piece of art? This They say yes, we say no. So art is very subjective so I think we should maybe develop a more objective policy about what our um art is and it can kind of explain like what is the purpose of the art? So at the library the purpose of the art would be to promote reading, promote diversity, promote community engagement things like that but maybe it's different at another location so the purpose can be a little more general policy wise I like the idea of defining what kind of art we're talking about.

Art is a public display of what your city values. And so I wonder like, if we develop this policy, we could kind of talk about like, what does our city value? Our general plan talks about architecture. It talks about the look of the city art is a part of that. So, I think having a policy that kind of outline that would be important and then getting into the approval process, like. I'm going to turn it over to Holly.

I want to talk about the maintenance and like the modification or removal of it. Like if we have a permanent, if we do for example, we do the painted book spines on the library when do we make sure that they art needs to be upkept right? And so having a plan for who's repainting at how often gets repainted How are we funding it? I think are all really important pieces. So while I realize this Holly thank you for bringing it to our attention.

I would be more looking for versus these one-off

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:42:17

I agree that we should have a policy, but I also don't want the. The pursuit of the objective standard to delay things that we need to do right now and. I think one of the major criticisms I've heard as a City Council member is that it takes forever to get things done. It takes forever to get the library completed, it takes forever to pick the design, it takes forever to get us in. I would like to maybe two birds one stone work through the policy, work towards a policy but also provide some direction so that we don't stall a project. So I'm not sure exactly I don't know what specificity you need with direction tonight but I would like to provide directions so that we can do both of those things.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:43:05

So I have horrible taste and I always leave with that. You don't want my opinion about art, you don't want my opinion about what looks good.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:43:13

I've seen your house as a lie.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:43:14

That's all Jason. Yeah so there's a reason why i'm not allowed to decorate. So I agree, I think that there's an element like I don't think in this vein of tonight would be a good thing like let's all go around and say I like this. I think there's, to your point, walk and chew gum and policy. It'd be nice to provide guidance to friends at the library but I would also say I think this kind of leads to the MOU conversation that might be a good time to then layer in oversight policies.

Maybe it's even bringing on a council member and getting some of those seats so that we are I would say maybe this is a good chance for us to I would not say that that's a good solution for if we wanted to use the bathrooms and Village Park came up about what would we do for that as a city building or the post office has different nuances to it, as well. So I'm not sure if it may be just all five of us connect with the friends at the library and provide ad hoc feedback now but we use this as a chance for then staff to work with that MOU to refresh it so we have a policy going forward is that feasible?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:44:39

Yes, I think it's feasible. I think we need...I think we're going to need more than simply the MOU to develop or to establish some sort of a policy on public art generally even with the library itself. The MOU probably with the Friends of the Library would not be sufficient. We have to take into consideration We have to take into consideration their opinion on I think it's important for an art installation to be done on a piece of property that belongs to the city, the appropriate body to determine whether that I think it's important for us to be able to make that determination. Having some other group or body make that determination and then the City Council find it inappropriate. And now you've got arguments of censorship, you've I will just lead with that, and we can follow up with more as we move forward.

But yeah, I think I get the intention of the Council right now from what I've heard is to start the process of developing a policy of sorts for public art while at the same time allowing the public art I'm not going to suggest that that be on the list right now as a matter of what I'm going to go back to the general plan and maybe incorporate that into discussions of the general plan because the general plan will bring up issues like public art. I don't know if it was intending to, but that's frequently included in Zillow foam.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:47:15

I don't like making new policies and making new rules, but we have a library is on their own there. They're helping themselves they do stuff on their own they don't have to come ask us they are going to need to come ask us for any artwork they do. We're going to have a caterpillar. You can tie your bike to it. I just don't want to add more bureaucracy into the deal.

I'm not sure if that's the right way to put it.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:48:20

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:48:43

Properties like the dog park or the botanic garden, the community garden those are licensed to other organizations. They have control over that property through the license agreement. The library is not licensed. The library holds a lease to the interior of that building. The exterior of the building belongs to the city And so from that angle it's much different. It would be like placing artwork, a permanent display of artwork on our city medians on Avenue of Flags. We would all I think certainly want to have public input into that before it's placed and the appropriate venue for that in our city the way it's structured currently would be the City Council.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:49:23

And I just don't even know what a policy would look like because it's part

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:49:27

We'll have to look at that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:49:29

There

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:49:31

are cities who have created such

CommentArt DecoProposed1:49:35

policies

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:49:36

and we'll bring that back and the council can decide what policies they want to impose, but ultimately what will be required is a determination on the part of the council as to whether or not the art that's proposed And if it does, then is this a piece of artwork the City Council wants to see place?

CommentArt DecoProposed1:49:58

I have to say, I think that we don't need a policy for it. We can go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:50:03

upstairs and use the caterpillar without a policy.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:50:06

Let's use an example I'm gonna take right now. Friends of the Library spend time coming up with a concept for art on the exterior of the library. Friends of the Library looks for a grant from the Arts & Culture Committee to fund that. Arts & Culture Committee does not support the idea or concept because they didn't have input in or they weren't sure if this was what they were looking for necessarily. Then they have to go back to the Friends of the Library and say, what's our new idea? Talk to figuring out what that art piece is. Talk to the Friends of the Library and say okay now or the Arts and Culture Committee say okay here's what we're thinking now arts and culture is like sounds pretty good so they may say yes. Friends of the Library says this then they come back to us and say here's what we want to do and we could appear like now we're good go back to square one

CommentArt DecoProposed1:50:46

I don't like this piece

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:51:03

Yes, I would have stepped in at this point. It really does. It's leading to whether you're even going to have a policy in the future. But it's also talking about trying to figure out even tonight what kind of input you would like to have on what is proposed in your packet.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:51:21

So we're good?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:51:22

You're good.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:51:22

OK. So arts and culture says we have grant recommendations. We recommend these things. They've already gone through what they think would be

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:51:32

appropriate. We would see if the city of Goleta would approve it as the leaser at some point with the library, and the City of Buellton owns the property which means we also have to decide do we want this in a property space? Like it's not just funding, it's also... But I'm saying though... It sounds like what the goal is to have no policy and do it live every moment here at Council which is hard.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:51:54

I don't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:51:55

think that's a good reason. It doesn't, but as an example we have it's conceivable and moving forward it may be much more common depending upon how our general plan and zoning ordinance evolves over the next several years We could have donors that bring art to the city and say, I want to install this piece of art at this corner. Well, if you have a set of policies that says hey we want art that looks like X, Y and Z and it meets all those policies. That only says that piece of art would be considered but as to whether or not its placed absolutely in one particular location that is solely at the discretion of the City Council.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:52:44

I don't see any

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:52:45

proposal. There may not be. But if that's the direction you want to go then...

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:52:53

Let's go the other direction. It sounds like we're just going to have all five of us contact Holly and say, here's the type of art I hope she'll kind of cook something up, come back to us and see if it lands in the right direction. If it does, we'll move forward. If it doesn't, she will just try it again. And every so often, we'll just have five people give input and hope for the best.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:53:12

Well, that seems like a little bit of a false choice. I mean, you are already got And the oil painting by Rebecca August, yes.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:53:39

Three people on the committee have looked at what was submitted and they don't like it at all. So if you'd like to, it was a cow on a book page that said like and the story begins. And it wasn't quite what I had like make way for ducklings with ducks walking across the building or curious George with the umbrella. We had different ideas too but that's what we got. And when she called and said, I don't know that this is gonna pass through the committee would you like to pull it? We'd already been through one meeting with arts and culture, and I was out of town. And our spokesman was very good, but he couldn't answer questions. And they said come back. So we came back a second time and Allison did said do you want to pull this? And I said yes.

I'm not going to go back until I know I can get something through the Arts and Culture Committee. I will start calling you guys,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:54:40

I will start... Well, I want to ask you a question. Holly, would it have helped you if there was a policy that would have explained to you in greater detail what the Arts and Culture Committee was looking for? So if you had gone to them with what they were looking for, it would have probably been approved

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:54:57

You know, I think it's really hard with arts and culture because they've done so. I was going to say, you know, they do sculptures. They do, I mean, John, you sit on that committee for the council. They've done so many different amazing things it would be hard to go to them and, I mean, they're open to just about anything. They didn't like what we had submitted. So I pulled it before it actually went to the full board.

Basically, what I'm going to do is I'm going to see what the council thinks. I'm gonna talk to more people coming into the library and when we go to the arts and culture the next time, and I will talk to Arts & Culture members, I'll talk to Councilman Sanchez and I will find out if we're going in the right direction this time.

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CommentArt DecoProposed1:55:56

But can I interrupt you? So it sounds like Arts & Culture gave you direction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:01

They just said they didn't like

CommentArt DecoProposed1:56:02

it. But it's helpful, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:03

It was

CommentArt DecoProposed1:56:04

very helpful.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:05

We're never going to submit a storybook with a cow on the page. So we won't do that. So

CommentArt DecoProposed1:56:12

I guess what I'm saying is that like this system kind of came to me The system worked, it did work. It sounds like it did work for me too but if you came to me I would say what we ran through arts and culture and that and it sounds like this is the system working so I guess one of my point is I don't see how an objective guideline. You're not going to have a policy of like no cows writing books right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:56:33

But I mean the banner, the artwork on the banners that we display on Avenue Flags has a policy.

CommentArt DecoProposed1:56:38

As a policy for how kids can submit their artwork?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:56:41

No there's a policy for what the artwork is and how what it looks like and etc so there is a policy for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:47

that. There's a policy that exists that we sure had that discussion.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:56:55

Let's go ahead and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:56:56

um

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:56:57

yeah no no no I get you know it's fine It's also just one of those things I don't, this is not a hill to die

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:57:04

on.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:57:06

But it sounds like what this council at least some council members would like is individually submit opinions about art and if that's something you're willing to muddy through then we'll muddy through and we'll go from there and if the system falls apart then we can re-broach a policy or what that could be like but we'll just kind of see if this works out

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:57:27

I would be so happy to do that. And thank you very much and Scott, I'm very sorry.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:57:36

I am going to just ask, I know thank you to all the people who stay with us this long. I'm gonna take a quick five minute break just for everyone to stretch their legs and we'll resume in five minutes okay? We're taking it's a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:57:45

real five minutes. Thank you. We will resume our

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:03:54

And my daughter works in the garden over there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:04:02

Great, thank you Mr. Mayor. Item number nine is a sponsorship request from the San Ynez Valley Holiday Lights Festival which is located at the San Ynez Valley Botanic Garden and our staff contact for this is our finance director Chanel Zamora

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:04:19

Good evening, Mayor and Council members. The San Ynez Valley Botanic Garden is requesting $10,000 sponsorship to help recover the costs related to the 2025 Holiday Lights Festival. These costs include enhancements of lighting and additional security measures that were put in place to ensure a safe experience for the attendees. Attachment 1 listed their total expenses, which total $10,647.21. They are requesting a reimbursement of $10k.

Approving this request would require a general fund budget amendment since no funds were previously allocated for the sponsorship. Staff recommends that the City Council discuss the request and if deemed appropriate, approve the $10,000 sponsorship requested by the Botanic Garden. And if you have any questions I am now available thank you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:05:26

I believe we have someone here with public comment looking to, yeah. Would you all like to have them come up first before we ask any questions? Sure. Okay great would you like to come up and speak at this time?

PresenterDerek GlossSanta Ynez Valley Botanic GardenProposedself-stated2:05:41

Hello, I'm Derek Gloss. I'm the president of the Santa Ynez Valley Botanic Garden. Thank you Mayor Silva and Council for this opportunity and for all the support of the Botanic Garden and the Holiday Lights Festival. This year was a wonderful success. We welcomed nearly 10,000 guests through online sales and at the gate. The event has become a tradition This is a project that we've Welcoming visitors year-round, free of admission open to the public as well as providing education events workshops and collaborations with our local community artists and volunteers.

Our request is to help support this event to help defray the costs for the additional lighting and safety and security for our guests we appreciate the consideration and support of the city and happy to bring this event to the city Thank you. Anybody has any questions, ma'am?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:06:45

Do we have any questions for either staff or with the S by the. Botanic gardens got to tie it down there

CommentArt DecoProposed2:06:52

I have a question so show.

PresenterDerek GlossSanta Ynez Valley Botanic GardenProposedself-stated2:07:01

Because of the new parking lot, we thought the lighting would be installed. So we had to bring in additional lighting to draw the lights to the further parking. So parking is usually up closer towards the end right where the gate is but the parking lot is further towards the back so we had to bring in additional lighting but there probably will be lighting every year because the lighting in the parking lot is only in that specific area.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:07:31

Okay, so you I'm sorry. So you're you thought the lights would be on and sufficient but they were not is that what you're saying? Correct. Okay. All right. And then it was for lighting and what was the other thing security security okay cool. I guess my question was just that they were unforeseen to a certain extent because the lighting and then the security was just what it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:08:22

Do you think this is going to be a recurring cost next year?

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PresenterDerek GlossSanta Ynez Valley Botanic GardenProposedself-stated2:08:37

I'm not sure what the coverage is.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:09:00

the

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:09:00

parking lot is now installed Is the intent or the expectation at this time to come back next year for the city to cover this cost? Or would it be the idea that now that we know that this is here, it might be embedded into the cost of the event that is handled within your own organization. Or are you thinking this might be something that annually you're going to want to see the City of Buellton fund?

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PresenterDerek GlossSanta Ynez Valley Botanic GardenProposedself-stated2:09:42

Yeah, it would be great to have support from the city for this event. Possibly just for this or just to support the event itself as it's becoming a big attraction for the city but yeah, it would help tremendously just for this specific request.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:09:57

And does the city fund the event at all already? I mean beyond this piece do we sponsor the SYV Lights at all as a... Like I know we do funding for the fall festival. Do we do anything for SYV Lights

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:10:11

I don't know. Chanel,

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:10:12

are you? No, not that I'm aware of. I have not seen anything come through for the holiday lights.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:10:20

Okay. Great. Those were just my questions at this time. Thank you very much.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:10:24

Yeah, can I piggyback? Did I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:10:28

cut anybody

CommentArt DecoProposed2:10:29

off? No. So that's kind of my question is just kind of piggybacking off what Silva alluded to. Mayor David Silva, sorry. And I just, you know, we have the process for requesting funds through arts and culture and through our grant request annually. I know that the signs, you guys requested funding for signs back in November or October. So it just came as a surprise to see this now, and I think that's why we're getting questions from City Council. It was

PresenterDerek GlossSanta Ynez Valley Botanic GardenProposedself-stated2:11:08

brought up

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:11:09

last fall on their

PresenterDerek GlossSanta Ynez Valley Botanic GardenProposedself-stated2:11:10

request so we just got to council this meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:11:16

It was actually brought up after the event had started last year. Right yeah I believe it was December.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:11:25

I'm confused by that. What

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:11:26

does that mean? It wasn't with the annual request, nor was it even in advance of the event occurring. It was after the event had begun and they came to

CommentArt DecoProposed2:11:35

us. And now it's on the agenda.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:11:36

Yes because the City Council decided they weren't going to discuss it before the holidays. We would have to come back later.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:11:43

Okay

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:11:44

cool. Any further questions? No questions. Okay thank you very much. Thank you. I'm not making a recommendation here. If this is intended to be

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:12:17

Maybe the City Council wants to consider, rather than making a contribution to this event every year, we look at purchasing some light towers for use at this event and others. If we look at a $10,000 expenditure every year that it wouldn't take long before we could probably buy a couple of those as opposed to just paying $10 thousand dollars to have them rented every year.

It's just a thought. We can look into it, but...

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:12:45

Yeah. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:12:46

love

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:12:47

that. My thought, yeah, we'll bring back for council comments so Council Member or Vice Mayor Meehan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:12:50

Well, I was just kind of... That's a great idea, Scott. Thank you for suggesting it but I was just going to say that if this is going to be something that they need annually, it needs to be brought up before the council like during our May budget time so we can be thoughtful about like where the money is coming from or it needs to come from a different program. So I just want to be thoughtful about future planning. This was an ask that came up at the December 11th meeting it was made in public comment so it wasn't even agendized at that meeting and so that's why we're bringing it back now and so I think that if this is going to be a recurring cost which it might be unless we buy these light towers, I'd like to see this request come in in May during our budget season

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:13:34

I'd prefer to just go by the lights right now because we know it's going to be an ongoing expense and we know that there are other events where they may not need them, but the addition of them would be beneficial. I would prefer not to not give you guys the funds but to alleviate the need and then maybe reduce the allocation to just the security guards and do the lights on our own. But I don't know if that's allowable.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:14:02

I would also second that idea, or third that idea because this isn't going to be the only event who has to use that parking lot and walk that walkway. I would also say that I think the Botanic Gardens holiday market is awesome. I think Eva and Derek's work, I think you guys are a credit to the city. I honestly feel like you guys should get a key to the city for all your hard work in making that Botanic Gardens awesome, the Thousand Truths Initiative.

I also agree that it should come with our normal funding request mechanism. I am pro voting to approve the expenditure, but I think we should do our best to get it on a regular budget item and I think we should also look into these lights. And I would also, I guess my question is, I know it's a fundraising event for the garden, but I would expect it to be self-funding.

So that's my thoughts.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:15:00

Yeah, I feel like there's this kind of unexpected cost. We don't fund you know in theory that the event should become self funding so to me it's kind of the let's stop the let's fund the issue at hand and then let's figure out we get agendized an expenditure for purchasing I have a question for you. We're going to do

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:15:43

that so we will get on that. I just want to say, again, to reiterate

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:16:10

that if there's something you all need please let us know.

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CommentArt DecoProposed2:16:37

I

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:16:37

think it would also behoove us to check in with all of the other special events that take place or with Kathy and the chamber.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:17:02

I'll look into it. We'll come back with options for the council.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:17:30

I would move to approve the request. Thank you very much for coming tonight and thank you for figuring out light things. Make sure it hits that dark skies thing.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:18:25

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item number 10 is consideration of a license agreement for the operation of a farmer's market on Avenue of Flags Medians 2 and 3. Our staff contact for this is Planning Director Andrea Keefer

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:18:39

Good evening, Mayor Silva and Councilmembers. Back in December the Planning Commission approved a conditional use permit to allow a private operator to operate a weekly farmer's market on medians 2 and 3 of the Avenue of Flags. Because the farmer's market would be located on city-owned property, a license agreement between the City and the operator is required.

And so that is what is being considered this evening. The city did anticipate a farmers market and similar activities on these medians as part of the avenue of flag specific plan. The farmers market would include vendor booths on the entirety of median two, which is the parking lot median and family friendly activities including food trucks, live music etc. On the northern portion of medium three subject to basically the license agreement does cover both medians two and three but currently the layout is the northern portion of medium three So the farmers market would occur March through October on Mondays from 2 to 6 p.m., with the option to extend to 7 p. m. during the summer months. The CUP that was approved does allow flexibility for the farmers market to occur year-round if the applicant desires in the future.

This is an example of a cross street between Medians 2 and 3. There will be no permanent improvements as part of the medians, or as part of the farmer's market. And it would be the operator's responsibility to return the medians to the original condition upon completion of each weekly event. The proposed base license fee included in the draft license agreement is for $1, which would be charged annually to the operator. The reasoning for this is that it has been a long-term goal of the city to establish a farmer's market and to have a private operator come in and do so eliminates many of the logistical and staffing challenges we have faced when trying to get one started ourselves. However ultimately, the license fee charge to the applicant is up to the City Council to make a final determination on as part of the license agreement.

If approved, the license agreement would be valid for five years. Because the conditional use permit was approved on December 4th 2025, the operator's right to utilize the medians for the farmers market would end five years from that date so that would be December 4th 2030 at which time a new conditional use permit and license agreement would be required if the operator wishes to continue past that point Staff would also conduct a review of the farmer's market after the first year of operation.

That is a condition of the conditional use permit. This would allow staff to refer the project to the Planning Commission for any proposed modifications to the approval if necessary, so it may not be necessary but if necessary. Additionally an annual special event permit application is required to be submitted by the applicant every year to address any proposed changes So if approved this evening, the event operator plans to hold it. The first farmers market event on Monday March 16th. A copy of the draft license agreement is included in your packet as well as the Planning Commission resolution approving conditional use permit.

So it's staff recommendation this evening to consider entering into a license agreement with Brenda Browning, the Farmers Market Operator, to allow for a weekly farmers market on the Avenue of Flags Medians 2 and 3. Brenda is in the audience this evening and is available to answer any questions as am I. That concludes my report. Splendid!

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:22:26

Thank you very much for being here tonight.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:22:27

Oh thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:22:27

you guys for having me.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:22:30

I guess before we go and take questions is there anything you'd also like to share that wasn't maybe captured in the staff report at that time? Nope, everything's great. Okay moving efficiently okay do we have any questions for staff or with the applicants?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:22:40

We've had an overwhelming positive response from the community it's fantastic

CommentArt DecoProposed2:22:46

Thank you. Councilmember Hornick, any questions? Do we have any provisions for music or sound

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:22:52

ordinances? So basically the provision for a special event permit annually every year would address the live music. We do have a noise ordinance so just like the fall fest they

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CommentArt DecoProposed2:23:14

Okay, so it could be as loud as Fall Fest?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:23:17

I mean in theory but I don't know that that's

CommentArt DecoProposed2:23:19

the intention. Are you planning on having

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:23:22

music? Yes we're having music on our first one or we had planned to.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:23:28

It's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:23:29

a local band called Out of the Blue. I guess it's popular here and they're aware of decibel levels in this area what they're allowed. I addressed that with them right away

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:23:39

Thank you. Any questions?

CommentArt DecoProposed2:23:41

Council Member Lewis? Sorry, just for the special events permit is that a higher range than typically?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:23:49

It could be but unless we got specific direction from council allowing us to go above that we would probably stick with our municipal code requirements and maximums.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:23:59

When you say... I'm sorry, I'm just confused. So it's a special event there's It's been a long time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:24:19

You know, but you know like I think for some events like we bring the fall fast to Council. I'm not I'm not a 100% sure if they went above that. I don't believe so. I think that we tried to, you know, for that event, we tried to position the stages to kind of keep the decibel level and limit the hours and things like that. So

CommentArt DecoProposed2:24:34

I'm sorry, Andrea. I just thought it was so is that we have a municipal code for decibel level special event permit change that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:24:42

No.

CommentArt DecoProposed2:24:42

Okay, thank you. Got it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:24:44

It can but it doesn't automatically. Thank you. Any

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:24:46

other questions? Any questions Council Member Lewis?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:24:52

Thank you. Would the band sit up in the median and amplify south over the grass? Is that the plan? It's not a stage.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:21

So it's really good.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:25:24

Any other questions? Just that other groups can come in like say if the Girl Scouts want to sell cookies or the school wants to have some kind of information thing, is there part of it that's a community information for?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:41

I do not know about that right now. A couple people had asked me about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:25:46

that so quickly

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:49

That I told them if they wanted to put anything in

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:25:51

my booth

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:52

for informational

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:25:53

purposes, I'd be happy to put

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:55

it on my desk area for them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:25:58

If it's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:58

an info booth

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:25:59

that they want to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:25:59

browse, they're welcome too.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:26:01

I like the Aquatics Foundation which would take interns going on events to show and maybe arts or recreation department. I appreciate it. I think it's a good idea. I don't have any further questions. Thank you. Vice Mayor Mead, any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:26:18

Yeah, I just have a question. Are dogs going to be allowed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:26:21

No, they are not allowed and there is signage there for that. And it's mandated by the Health Department.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:26:26

It has nothing to do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:26:26

with me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:26:27

No, I know it doesn't and I just wanted to make sure that if they were not allowed that there was going to be a lot of signage because we have a lot of people who like dogs here and I understand legally it's a requirement. I just wanted to make sure that it's going to be very obvious that dogs are not permitted.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:26:40

I'm not going to be a Nazi about it. I don't want to have conflict with our... but there is, I've already made very large signs for it. Okay perfect okay thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:26:47

so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:26:47

much. And I am selling gourmet dog food and gourmet dog treats.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:26:56

The only question I had for, well first one would just be how has it with the taking up at the parking lot do we foresee any issues from parking for the local businesses who are open during that time or has they have we done much outreach to make sure they have plans?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:27:11

I don't know that there's been outreach specifically to the businesses, but I will just note just overall the overall it's surprising. But the overall number of parking spaces on the Avenue of flags is about 150 so you know along the medians in front of the businesses. So and that's not counting the median 2 parking. So that's the median two parkings in addition to that. So no to answer your question we haven't done immediate outreach but there should be should be plenty

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:27:42

And then my other one is kind of follow-up with what Council Member Sanchez brought up. But it's like, were you already filled up and booked at this time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:27:50

Don't we fall out though? You know if people don't do well they leave and then you're just constantly, it's a constant...

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:27:58

So I understand that you're fielding all that. That's what you're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:28:01

having to handle at this time? That's what I'm handling right now. My daughter has seven of them so we kind of know what's going on.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:28:10

I know that community members have definitely come to the city or been like, I want to be part of it. It has nothing to do with the city. It's all through you. You'll handle everything. You take care of the permitting and all that stuff so if they're interested vendors need to go to you to figure that out.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:28:25

Yes we are our permitting is done. We're done with the health department. We're done with the ag department. I've contacted fire department.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:28:32

Oh this is more just for public record setting that they need to go to you. To make sure it's very clear okay Any other questions before we go? Okay. I'm happy to do that for you guys. Thank you, we're really grateful to have you here for that. Do we have any other public comment at this time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:28:48

We did not.

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Okay. We'll bring it back for council comments and then a possible motion. Any comments? Council Member Lewis? No. Any comments? Council Member Hornick? No thank you. Any comments? Council Member Sanchez? No

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:29:01

thank you. The only comment I'll make is that I do think it might be good to do some outreach to those local businesses. Oh, of course!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:29:10

Welcome back up!

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:29:22

I need additional restrooms as part of the health department. They all agreed and said yes, Oliver is letting us use his spigot of water. No problem. All of them are wonderful. Yes so I've already reached out a little

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:29:36

bit thank you okay perfect no thank you very much okay i just know that it did with the impact that we have was like fall fest sometimes the businesses feel a little tough on the avenue for that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:29:45

We'll reach out and talk to them about the possibility of reserving a space or two in front of each individual business so that their customers have a location at work.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:29:55

So that would be my only thing to make sure we're providing some accommodations for them to make sure everyone's as happy as possible. And I think we're all very excited about this.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:30:24

Yes, it's fine.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:30:45

Thank you Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council a couple of items for you tonight first off I want to point out that as was mentioned earlier Jersey Mike's is open as of yesterday at 9 55am they threw their doors open and the line probably hasn't stopped since then I was unable to get in there for lunch today myself had to go someplace else But I will note for those of you who want to brave that line, and I'd probably suggest you do. Before you do that please look around town get on the websites for I believe the school district Honan Middle School in Oak Valley have coupons that you can take to the Jersey Mike's and any purchase you make there will result in a donation to the schools or that purchase. We will have a meeting on March 15th from noon to 4 at It's a wine and chili festival, I'll put it that way.

It sells out frequently. It sells out pretty much every year, I believe. Tickets are on sale right now at BuelltonWineAndChiliFestival.com So go there and get your tickets early. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions the council may have but I'll conclude my report. Any questions

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:32:07

at this time for our city manager? We'll move over to our attorney if you'd like to listen to the closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:32:15

Thank You Mr. Mayor we do have two items on closed session, the first is potential initiation of litigation and the second is significant exposure to litigation not known in to potential clients plaintiffs.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:32:29

And we will not be reading back in after closed session correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:32:33

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:32:39

Yes, but now would be the time if you're going to make the

CommentArt DecoProposed2:32:41

announcement. Okay, I don't want to abundance of caution and avoid any appearance of conflict. I'm going to recuse on one of those

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:32:47

items.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:32:53

Item 12. Great, thank you all for being here tonight we will adjourn our regular meeting at 8 32 and move into closed session