City Council — May 14, 2026

Thank you all for joining us. We will call this meeting from

And is there any reordering of our agenda tonight? Mr. Mayor we have no reordering this evening Okay well we will start with our presentations this evening Thank you to all who came today Is anyone at a time limit or can we just go down the agenda everyone okay Great, we'll just go with that. Hearing no complaints I'll assume we're all good. So our first item tonight will be our proclamation recognizing Teacher Appreciation Week and we have... Hello there! We've got them all there okay great so whereas the City of Buellton's future strength depends on providing a high quality education to all students and whereas teacher quality matters more to student achievement than any other school related factor and whereas teachers spend countless hours preparing lesson plans and supporting students And whereas our community recognizes and supports its teachers in educating the children of this community.

And whereas, Hashtag Teachers Can is a statewide movement supported by more than 150 partnering businesses and organizations committed to elevating the teaching profession and honoring the critical role teachers play in success of Buellton. Now therefore I, David Silva, Mayor of the City of Buellton on behalf of the Buellton City Council hereby proclaim the week of May 4th to the 8th 2026 as Teacher Appreciation Week in the city of Buellton and urge all citizens to recognize and support the efforts of our teachers. Presented this 14th day of May 2026 and we have a number of teachers in the room so quickly a round of applause first off to all our teachers.

And now after a day of teaching, more public speaking available. Would any of you care to come up and say a few words? Yay! We have our principal.

Oh good!

The social contract has been signed.

You should get up there too Billy.

Yes.

Come on. Teacher. You're a teacher. Get in there.

My name is Lisa Melby, I'm the principal at Oak Valley Elementary. I've been at Oak Valley for 19 years. It is just lovely that Buellton, the city of Buellton has chosen to create a proclamation celebrating Teacher Appreciation Week. We had a great week. We were celebrated by families, by students, our PTSA spoiled us at both sites, Haunted Inn and Oak Valley.

And even when there are only 14 days of school allowed I think it's 14. I was still able to round up some people from Oak Valley, and it just so happened that Billy is here from the high school. The high school starts a little bit earlier this year, but they're out a little bit sooner. On behalf of everyone at Oak Valley and Honoda, we would like to thank you for recognizing us. We've got parents here and grandparents and people who write lovely recommendation letters when we're searching for awards. Parents, thank you so much.

It takes a village to make all of this happen. We recently at Oak Valley were awarded a really exciting honor, it's the inaugural award for the 2026 National Gold Star School by the National Association of Elementary School Principals. Thank you. I've been at Oak Valley a long time and I think it's been a long time coming for Oak Valley to receive some kudos for all of the great things that happen there.

Everybody that is on that site is there for the right reason, and they're there to support kids. So we are just celebrating that and also trying to get through a very chaotic last 14 days of school. And you can tell that the kids are also ready. So with me today, I have Heather Somerton who is a second and third grade teacher. Billy Savola is not mine to claim but I did teach both of his kids. Yes high school teacher Kathy Vangle teaches second grade but has taught A variety of great levels. Who do we have over here? Brooke Goodwin teaches second grade this year and Nicole Rubio runs everything in the front office, and if anybody has questions she's really the one that knows it so did anybody else want to say anything? We didn't prep.

You're here. It's perfect. So we thank you very much, and we're going to sit because other people are receiving proclamations. Is that

right? No, you're going to come up for a picture now.

I told you David kind of does his own thing.

If you don't mind, would y'all let me come up for a photo right now? Behind

you?

Where do we go? We will be framed.

We're going to do like team photos.

Thank

you so much.

All right. I would like to say thank you to everyone who got this item because my, we started kids in school there and I was thinking 86. My stepdaughter started there all my kids went there and now my grandkids are going there and i have a three-year-old there so I want to thank the teachers for all their hard work It's a pleasure having you. Thank you again. Anyone else want to make any comments?

Oh, I just wanted to say I've really enjoyed being at the cities and schools programs with your fifth graders. I had a really lovely time and being a former educator. I mean it's a terrific place to be. The classrooms are warm and welcoming. The teachers obviously know what they're doing no doubt about it and just congratulations on your recognition. And it's uh it's wonderful thing for Buellton to have such an incredible school here in educating our children so thank you so much Yes, yes we are.

I'll be fantastic.

Anyone else? Well thank you very much for being here tonight and I really appreciate y'all making the trek out with only 9 slash 14 days to go. And not that anyone's counting at this point! Our next item tonight we will have is a proclamation recognizing our National Peace Officers Memorial Day, May 15th, 2026. And so whereas the Congress and the President of United States have adopted Public Law 87-54 designating May 15 as Peace Officers Memorial Day in recognition of law enforcement officers nationwide who have sacrificed their lives or been disabled in the performance of their duties And whereas public law 87-54 also designates the week in which May 15th falls as National Police Week, in recognition of their service provided by thousands of federal state and local law enforcement officers.

And whereas it is important that all citizens know and understand the duties responsibilities hazards and sacrifices of those who dedicate their lives to the law enforcement profession and to keeping our community safe. And whereas police officers throughout the state and nation risked their lives on a daily basis to maintain peace within the community and protect the lives and property of all of our citizens And whereas the members of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department and local CHP officers provide a vital public service, safeguarding the rights and freedoms of the citizens of the city of Buellton. Now therefore I Mayor David Silva on the Buellton City Council do hereby recognize May 15th 2026 as National Police Officers Memorial Day and May 15 2021-2026 as National Police Week in the city of Buellton and encourage the community to join in this observance presented this 14th day of May 2026.

We

will ask you to come up and

Thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you. And I get the last thing for your officer for everybody here today. That's going to present somewhere. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Lieutenant

Henderson said he has someplace on his wall. Thank

And then our third proclamation for the evening is our proclamation recognizing National Military Appreciation Month. And we have a few guests with us here tonight as well. So whereas in 2004, the United States Congress passed a resolution proclaiming May as National Military Appreciation Month encouraging all citizens to honor current and former members of the US Armed Forces and their families including those who made the ultimate sacrifice And whereas the month of May was selected for this display of patriotism, because during this month we celebrate Victory in Europe VE Day, Military Spouse Day, Loyalty Day, Armed Forces Day, National Day of Prayer and Memorial Day. And whereas the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness enumerated in our Declaration of Independence secured by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and enjoyed by every citizen of the United States are secured by the dedication of members of the United States armed forces And whereas Military Appreciation Month honors the current and former members of the United States Armed Forces, including those who have died in the pursuit of freedom.

And whereas the sacrifices made by all members of the United States Armed Forces and their loved ones are to be valued. And whereas on this month and throughout the year, citizens of Buellton express our gratitude and commitment to Buellton service members, veterans, and their families who have dedicated their lives in defense of our freedoms. Now therefore I, Mayor David Silva and the Buellton City Council do hereby recognize May 2026 as National Military Appreciation Month in the city of Buellton. I encourage the community to join in this observance presented this 14th day of May 2026. And I do believe that we have Pam Nika who's going to give us a uh who our special guests are tonight to receive this

So first of all, Mayor Silva and City Council. I just want to thank Buellton for doing this because and being open to when you gave this proclamation in this award to recognize our high school seniors who have made a commitment I'm going to talk a little bit about how we represent our city and our community were recognized and I thought, it's not enough. It's not enough. They're getting ready to take on a really big job that we're so grateful for. So thank you for letting them come up here tonight. I gotta get back to where their names are. So Elizabeth Ramirez, do you wanna go? I'm going to call on Christian Padilla. She is going to be going into the United States Army.

Christian Padilla is going to be going into the United States Army and Yahi Torres will be joining the United I asked them and they said no.

Well, we are efficient in our proclamations this evening. So thank you very much for your willingness to serve and to sign on for that. And are you all from the St. Louis Valley High School?

Yes.

Thank you for representing our community so much. And may we ask you to come up and take a photo right now. OK,

everybody.

Oh, wow. OK. That's awesome. Thank you for coming out here tonight. If we could have you come join us, that'd be great.

I'll just have you three right in the middle if

you want to switch this way.

Can we look over here? One, two, three.

And then I don't get an angle towards the moms. Yeah, yeah.

Sorry. That's awesome. Thank you so much for your willingness to participate. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you guys.

I know and what we'll do is just before you all leave, I did want to give a moment if there's any purpose. We have a few proclamations here if any of the council members wanted to share any remarks but we just wanted to make sure we say thank you very much this is a very big commitment that you're taking and um to be willing to serve your country like this means a lot for us so thank you very much for that. I don't know if anyone else wants to add anything.

Your community is super proud of you and we're you know cheering behind you all the way and can't wait to welcome you back

This

will be the part where I pause now and just say you are more than welcome to leave now before we get into regular meeting so there's no feel of obligation as well to our officer if you'd like to scond out too. So, we'll just take a quick two-minute recess to make it formally where feel free to leave if you'd like at this point but you don't want to take any photos further but yes thank you all for being here this evening for

the proclamations. ≫ Thank you, Mr. Buellton.

Thank you for having me tonight. Thank you for all that you do for our wonderful city. My name is Scott Aiken, I live in Buellton next month will be 24 years. Sent all four of my kids through Buellton schools. I remember when Lisa Melby was a teacher not just principal and she was awesome at that as well. But I'm here to ask the City Council to revise the current ban on short-term rentals The current code section 19.02.150 says in summary that short term lodging and residential zoning districts presents a threat to the public welfare In my opinion, that's quite a stretch but I get it.

There was a nightmare situation about 10 years ago where a short-term rental unit in the neighborhood was used as a party house. Excessive noise late into the night, disorderly conduct, traffic trash, all that stuff. So let me be clear, I do not want that situation to ever happen here again but the current ban on all short-term rentals is ridiculous A nightmare from 10 years ago does not justify a total ban today.

We tried to kill the headache by cutting off the head. When done thoughtfully with common sense guardrails, short-term rentals are just as safe for our community as any other arrangement. I just want to rent out my small detached unit With the current online platforms, I get to select the people who will be good guests. It's that simple. It's completely reasonable.

There is no good reason to ban that and I'd be glad to work with the city as needed to enact a policy that makes sense. Again, there's just no reason to ban all short-term rentals. Let's be smarter and let's do better about that. Thank you for your time. Thank

you for being here tonight.

Thank you.

Any other public comments? Okay. We will now move on to our consent calendar, and we will be reviewing for items 4 through 10. Is anyone looking to pull any items or if not is there a motion to approve?

I move to approve.

I'll second.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Item number 11 is our one public hearing for the evening. This is Ordinance No. 26-04, an ordinance of the City Council of the city of Buellton, California revising floodplain management Chapter 17.06 of the Municipal Code. This is the public hearing with the recommendation being for introduction and first reading of this ordinance. The staff contact for this item tonight is our Public Works Director Rose Hess, and here she is.

Rose?

Thank you. Um, city council members of the public. So this ordinance we have is a result of FEMA issuing a letter final determination they have recently updated their flood study and is scheduled for June 1st 2026 as part of their final adoption. As part of the requirement for the new flood insurance studies that will be issued and the flood insurance rate maps, which we call firms being issued and effective in Santa Barbara County.

FEMA staff has reviewed the local agencies floodplain ordinances these were made by the Department of Water Resources and their local floodplain specialist for the National Flood Insurance Program So, during this review they found just a couple of items actually that required updating in our ordinance in order to comply with the FEMA updates and these 2 minor items. 1 was updating the current maps so we have the current dates.

Um, recorded in there and then also requirement to submit new technical data within 6 months of the project completion. If the map requires any FEMA changes in the flood elevation which we currently do it's just not specifically stated within our ordinance. So with that, we've provided ordinance 26-04 which has been reviewed by both the city attorney and DWR's floodplain specialist finding it satisfactory and compliant with their new requirements.

So with that, we do have one minor update. I wanted to bring to counsel's attention. It is located on page 231 of the packet trying to jump through real quick as well my screen it is item. E, under the administration section. We have in there, this is an old note that we're meeting to update. It says provisions of the ordinance. Says all new development projects would be reviewed by the county of.

Santa Barbara and we don't use the county of Santa Barbara for our floodplain review. The city is its own flood plain administrator, but back in the day when a city became a city, the city didn't have the. So, since the last 20 years, the city has performed its own floodplain review should a development come in. We do want to keep that provision in there and reword it so that.

Um, at the discretion of the city's floodplain administrator. We may elect to use the county of Santa Barbara's flood plain department for development review should we come to an issue and require their assistance? We still have that option. But other than that, there is no. Other significant changes with the ordinance and staff's available to answer any questions.

Thank you very much before we go to staff questions do we have any public comment on this item?

We do we have 1 public comment from John Darwin

thank you very much Mr Doran.

The Los Angeles Times is reporting a high probability of a Super El Nino event this coming year. The consultants, the models, the supercomputers and the predictions all indicate that this will be an extremely dry or an extremely wet year based upon the mid-Pacific temperature oscillation known as El Nino. I don't think you folks are ready for an El Nino in terms of Zacca Creek and your floodplain management program.

The problem we have in Buellton is under your ordinance 93-33, there was a patchwork of maintenance and access easements held by the County of Santa Barbara which predates incorporation in 1992 You, the city of Buellton do not have flood maintenance and flood access easements around the counties dedicated in easements of record. So your system is an inconsistent patchwork of uncoordinated flood control management.

And your maps as of January 9th I have sent you by e-mail. Zaca Creek meets all of the required statutory criteria for government liability should there be another obstruction along Zaca Creek during an El Nino event. It is highly foreseeable and reasonable to expect that there will be A hundred year event in this coming year, in terms of flood control. I've been looking at all of your documents, and I believe the current ordinance belongs in Title 15 of the Municipal Code and not in some other new code section for floodplain management. And you need to have an integrated drainage plan for the city of Buellton.

I see documentation where a plan was started. I don't see any finished product. The problem with having your own in-house expert for flood control is you don't have the expertise, the resources or the experience that is contained within county flood control. You have a dozen flood control engineers down there, and they are your backup when an obstruction occurs. The county has the resources to come in and address the problem as has been the case on multiple occasions when Zaca Creek has decided to become obstructed and create problems on the edges of or inundating the Zaca.

I want to start by saying that you have not enforced your own stormwater ordinance. You have This is a proposed ordinance. The owners along Saka Creek are supposed to keep the floodway clear of vegetation and obstructions, and all of the language in this proposed ordinance already exists. Entitled 15. Of your built in municipal code. So what This city council has an obligation to the public, to completely review the flood control situation along and in Saka Creek.

And where is County Flood Control? Where's the County Flood Control Agency? You have a memorandum of understanding and a joint powers agreement with the County of Santa Barbara Flood Control Agency The city was solving, and you guys going back to 1993. And I don't see that that is agreement is in effect any longer at all. Thank you. Thank you very

much. No further

comments. We'll bring it back to Council for questions of staff. Council Member Hornick?

I have a lot of questions. Thank you, Mr. Dorwin for bringing this to our attention. I want to start by asking for clarification from Ms. Hess about what she said we would change on page 231. Ms. Hess do you mind? I think we're looking at subsection E is that what you were referring to? That says all development subject to the provisions of this chapter shall be referred to the county flood control and water conservation district.

You said we're going to amend that subsection?

Yes, I'm trying to scroll back to it on my computer here. Sorry. I don't even know where my computer jumped to, sorry.

It's on page 231 as you stated right at the top. If i can ask a question while you're getting there. Pursuant to Mr. Dorwan's comments just for clarity right now this ordinance is referencing I believe it is floodplain management or flood control management? That's the question for any staff.

This ordinance is floodplain management, it's distinct from flood control.

Okay and so the provisions of this, not to get too in the weeds but my understanding is title 17 has to do with floodplain management and title 15 has to do with flood control management, is that correct?

Title 17 does have to do with floodplain management. Title 15, I'd have to look it up real quick.

Okay.

Title 15, I'm sorry just to clarify that is our stormwater provision and it discusses in that particular one a watercourse protection.

Okay so then would it be fair to say that our stormwater or any integrated stormwater drainage system would come under title 15?

Stormwater, yes.

Okay so when concerns rise about flooding that would fall under those provisions and this ordinance does not address them is that correct?

No this ordinance is regarding development within the floodplain and it structures how that needs to be consistent with the FEMA and the FERMAPS and those different flood elevations

Okay. So this does not, to be clear when you said no, you were saying no this does not affect our storm water runoff system? This is not have anything to do with that all right?

No.

That's correct yes that's correct?

It does not have anything to do with our stormwater system thank you it has to do with flood elevations with regard to new development

okay And then I'll just wait for you if you're on page 2 31, then.

Oh, yes, sorry.

Okay

back to that? Yes so in that portion it talks about new development being reviewed by the county. And we're want to make sure that's a minute say maybe reviewed by the county should we need their support too and we don't have the sufficient staff or capacity in order to do those reviews.

Okay, so my question there is just

changing shout shall be maybe referred to.

I see what you're saying. The only question I have though is in the preceding sentence, it says that pursuant to the terms and conditions of resolution number 93-33 which establishes the joint powers agreement between the city and said district then we'll make these references so i just want to make sure if we're changing the word shall to may

As Mr. Dorwin correctly noted, this particular resolution is essentially a joint powers agreement between the county and the city of Buellton. The City of Solvang may be in there as well. I don't have it in front of me here. The intent at the time, the city was newly incorporated and did not have the staff capacity to review development projects for compliance with base flood elevation requirements.

The county through this joint powers agreement, through this resolution, let me back up, this resolution to provide that service to the city. Among other things, but this is one of the services it can provide. At this point, staff has or the city has staffing available to review development proposals to ensure base flood elevation requirements are met and therefore generally we do not send This particular subsection we're looking at here has been included in prior versions of our floodplain management ordinance and was pulled over because there were no changes to it, they just updated it.

In our review of it here, in light of Mr. Dorwan's comments, it was noted that it does require that we refer things to Flood Control and so because we don't need to at this point rather than having it say that development subject to this provision shall be referred to Flood Control It would say all developments subject to the provisions of this chapter may at the discretion of the city's floodplain administrator be referred to County Flood Control. That gives us the option in the event that for some reason we don't have staffing or for some reason it's important to loop them in, there are some circumstances where we would have development that might include flood control facilities and we would when that happens refer things to flood control as a matter of course anyway It just leaves our options open.

Gotcha, so we wouldn't be in violation of that JPA? That's correct. All right. Yeah I just want to bring up one other thing that Mr. Dorwin mentioned too. He mentioned that the city doesn't have easements surrounding any county floodplain areas. Can we speak to any of that?

Well, there's if there's areas there's areas for flood control like the city does not have as Mr. Ernst said the capacity to perform flood control duties and that's the actual maintenance of flood control devices. That's through the city. The areas that the county maintains. Is under an easement dedicated to the county flood control for such activities. So, yes, the city does not actually have any flood control easements throughout the city because we don't maintain any of those structures and facilities.

I'm hoping that clarifies what you're saying.

to help clarify that. The need for the easement comes when there is a duty or an obligation to maintain those flood control facilities, The city does not undertake flood control functions. The city undertakes stormwater functions, as we've noted and then floodplain management functions which are different entirely from flood control functions. The flood control function is handled countywide by the Santa Barbara County Flood Control District which is a countywide district administered by the Public Works Department within the county and they hold the easements to maintain stretches of creeks where their facilities might be or where there's special work that needs to be done. Yeah, go

ahead. Thank you. I appreciate that. I think the concern comes in when a property owner might not be appropriately clearing their creek bed of debris which might cause flooding right? So do we have anything to enforce that or would that be through the county?

Maybe I could step in. Hi, everyone. Sorry. I'm joining by Zoom. Nice to see you all. I think that it's just to kind of like take a step back. I think the biggest way to see this or like the easiest way is when we think of property maintenance, that's Title 15, right? So to your point Council Member Hornick if somebody doesn't maintain their waterways on their property clear and stable and then it causes extra flooding, that's our enforcement mechanism is under Title 15.

Then we have flood control, which focuses on city-built infrastructure that according to what I'm hearing is actually under a special district that does that maintenance for us. And then we have floodplain management and so that's what's before you today and so that really focuses on new and upcoming development in drainage that will reduce our overall flooding risk in the future In compliance with the new updated FEMA maps that kind of outline that risk. So, I'm hoping that kind of answers your question there. It

does and I know in a staff report that your office and staff have reviewed this for compliance and found it. Appropriate

Thank you.

I don't have any other

questions. This is a case where the breach of the banks took place back in January of 2023. And the property owner is at this point unable to legally remove anything from that flood control or I appreciate that. When you say easements worked out,

I would have thought they already had

that. They don't? They do not, there is a section of that property that does not have an easement and I've already had discussions with the property owner they're willing to grant that easement.

I appreciate that, that touches on something i wasn't going to touch on but the 2023 flood that occurred in that area down That was caused by an obstruction, I think we determined. Do we know with last January that flooding? Was that saturation?

I just want to make sure that we have a clear picture of where the breach took place. The assumption is based upon where the flooding, where the flood water went is that it came from the same location.

Yeah, who's our flood administrator? That would be our public works director. Being through this like so many restrictions and but it's all FEMA verbiage.

Yes.

So we didn't make anything up to sound pretty intrusive yet what you can do in as it comes to appeals appeal would come to I don't know, Mrs. Hess, would there be in an appeal situation would FEMA have to weigh in on appeals or are we locally responsible for

We're, we're not the stop check necessarily for that. We get another check at the county level when they submit further building application and the counties restrictions are actually tighter than ours when building within the floodplain so ultimately it's it's the county building permit at that point that would also stop and support our FEMA requirements.

≫ Thank you. Appreciate

it.

Any questions?

Not what are the rules and implications that already exist. This is us making sure that anything that is developed in the future is compliant with FEMA rule, is that correct?

Correct yes this wouldn't be a retroactive application but it does help ensure a less risk moving forward with new development.

And then from your review this is a policy that both city staff and your law firm reviewed and said brings us into compliance with what FEMA is expecting to see from a city of our size and all that correct? Thank you very much. Okay, I will bring it back for council discussion further any comments that we'd like to make at this point? Council Member Hornick any comments or discussion?

I don't necessarily particularly about this ordinance. It does, I mean it does trigger potentially the concern that Mr. Dorwin raised that perhaps we do want to address whether or not our stormwater management system is ready for an El Nino event or something of that nature which I believe we discussed as Title 15 And so perhaps we could look at that and come back another day, and I'll talk to staff about that.

As to this ordinance, as long as our attorneys and staff have reviewed and we make the change we noted on the record, I think we're okay to proceed.

Thank you. Councilmember Lewis, any comments? I would like to make a motion to adopt the ordinance. I have a motion and second.

I just want to say, too, if I could, thank you Mr. Dorwan for bringing this stuff to our attention.

I guess we move on now to... I got

a little bit of trouble up here. We're onto Council Member Comments. Thank you for joining tonight. All right, we'll bring it for Council Comments and Items. ≫ Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just to give him a break from talking so much, how

about Councilmember Sanchez? Any comments? I don't

know if that's what you were talking about. That is a standing ordinance within the municipal code. If you would like me to review that, I would need council consensus to go back and bring that back for review and discussion. We would probably start with a business item just laying out the general requirements

I don't know if there's an interest in doing that. I know a lot of people want to rent out part of their house or that and we know the rules were broken pretty bad, changes everything but it's some kind of rules that you get one out here and you're closed You know, for the daily rental that wouldn't be a problem to the city. And it would be income too with TOTs.

That's one thing we've been talking about people doing it without permission because they get beat out of the TOTs. It was just a point of discussion. If you know what else there is, that's fine.

I don't personally have, but I worry sometimes about what we open up with that type of thing. So I would probably be more resistant personally. That's good.

Yeah, I agree. We do have a long-term rental ordinance here and I think that that's fine. I think that that's what the citizens want. No other citizen has ever expressed an interest in me to have short term rentals back into the city. So maybe if there is more citizens show the interest then yes, but right now no thank you.

The issue of not having enough rental for locals, not enough rentals for locals is a big issue. And if we allow short-term rentals then we detrimentally affect locals looking for rentals. So like I see both sides of the equation but I err on the side of people who live and work here already are struggling to find places to live and I think that would make it more difficult.

Thank you. Any other comments, though? No, not at this time, thank you. Council Member Lewis?

No comments.

Council Member Warnick?

I do have a couple. So I just wanted to address or bring up the idea of traffic issues and this is just if we could float to our SB CAG rep which I believe is still It's frustrating to go 246 from solving and back. I believe there was a traffic backup today causing significant delays from solving to Buellton. And if that's a light timing issue, man we got to figure that out.

And, you know, we have a business population that people who live here want to see economic development. We also have people who don't want to see any development because they're just frankly concerned about traffic and so even with what we got, we still already have this backup situation if that can be remedied by traffic timing traffic light timing then I know that this is not something that you can just pull out of your back pocket And I do believe, and I hope that you can answer this but I do believe that if that's a report that we can file at SPCAG on our website which I believe is the answer there. I would encourage us all to do that and just have them come out and adjust these light timing issues because that just is going to make everybody's quality of living go up.