City Council — September 28, 2026

≫ Good morning, everyone. Welcome to

public comment on an item not on the agenda tonight.

Yes, that is Mr. Robert Kotowski

Anyhow, I have my microphone.

Okay, hi. Bob Petoskey I am a PGA golf professional director of the California Blind Disabled and Adaptive Golf Association we do programs for adaptive sports. John Sanchez and I were discussing a little while back and John and I went to high school together about 15-20 years ago I have a couple of vehicles I'd like to make available for the community. They're called Stand Up and Play, they're adaptive golf carts. I have two of them and I would like everybody can consider it to be community property. We use them for the golf course, for golfers, paraplegic anyone wheelchair bound who in need to Good morning, everyone. My name is John Buellton and I'm the president of PGA HOPE.

We have a couple of upcoming programs in the PGA HOPE program that I would like to do if we could put maybe in a couple of weeks or a month from now or two weeks, I would like to make a presentation formal John and I were talking about doing some training, we're going to do a little training session. Everyone's welcome to participate so that if you'd like it to be available for the parks program for the playgrounds for those who will enable them to participate in different activities, bocce you know it's a vehicle you drive uh it's a solo it's called the solo rider. You drive it and it pivots it will stand the person is strapped in and it's very comfortable but they can sit it stands them up they can do whatever their activity hit pitch a horseshoe it sits them back down and they can ride back to the other side or whatever so I just want Give a heads up, I'm going to be putting together a little training program.

We're hosting in addition the California Blind and Disabled Golf Class again here in Buellton 29th year and this vehicle that the city has available okay we have two of them at the golf course there's only 400 courses that have these available out of 26 000 golf courses so it's pretty unique and I think it's a nice asset to the community okay So I'd like to get something, I'll call and put something on the calendar in the agenda. And lastly, I'm going to leave a few of these for our PGA HOPE

program for our veterans. All the programs are always free.

Thank you very much. I'm sorry to change the program, but I appreciate

it and feel free to give me a yell. If anybody with any disabilities or may have trouble doing something, you don't have to disagree with them. Thank you very much.

Next we'll now move to our first item on it for the proclamation recognizing National Hispanic Heritage Month Whereas every year from September 15th to October 15th, Americans celebrate National Hispanic Heritage Month by recognizing the history, heritage and contributions of Hispanics and Latinos to our community and nation. And whereas observation of Hispanic Heritage Month started in 1968 under President Lyndon B Johnson and was later sent to a 30 day celebration by President Ronald Reagan. And whereas Hispanic and Latino Americans have made immeasurable contributions to our culture and economy and have been integral to the prosperity and enrichment of Buellton in the United States And whereas Hispanic Heritage Month also allows us to honor and celebrate the key leadership roles and accomplishments of Latinos and Hispanics in our community, in different professions and sectors, and at all levels of government.

Now therefore be it resolved that I David Silva, Mayor of the City of Buellton on behalf of the entire Buellton City Council encourage Buellton residents to observe Hispanic Heritage Month with appropriate programs and activities and do hereby proclaim September 15th through October 15th as Hispanic Heritage Month presented this 20th day of September 2026 And I'm really grateful that we have a few representatives here today to be able to speak on this. So, I don't know if either of you'd like to come up or if you both want to come up? Or who's going first?

Both of us! Hello, my name is Adriana Reyes and I'm a founding board member of Centro Corazon Comunitario. A local non-profit organization dedicated to supporting and uplifting the Hispanic community throughout the San Ones and Lompoc Valleys. I am also deeply rooted in this community. I attended Haneda Elementary School from kindergarten through eighth grade and graduated from San Ones High School with the class of 89. Buellton was my home for more than 45 years and it's where my family built its life and where I learned the values of hard work and perseverance in family and community. My father came to the United States with the assistance of the Bracero Program.

He initially worked as a fair laborer in Salinas before marrying my mother and eventually settling in Buellton. Our family lived in a duplex across from P.C. Banderson's, next door to the Perez family. My father went on to become a Danish baker. He first worked at Burkle's Bakery and later at Olsen's where he spent more than 50 years working and contributing to the community. My mother worked just as hard. She cleaned homes and hotels before becoming a teacher's aide at Bethania.

She helped support Hispanic families, later she cared for children in our home. My parents took great pride in working multiple jobs and making whatever sacrifices were necessary to provide better life for their children. Their determination, work ethic, and commitment to family shaped who I am today. But my parents' story is not unique. Their journey represents just one thread in the rich tapestry of the millions of Hispanic families who have come to the country seeking opportunity, stability and a chance to build a better future for themselves and their children.

Hispanic Heritage Month gives us an opportunity to recognize and celebrate these stories. It is time to honor the generations who came before us, acknowledge the sacrifices they made, and celebrate the contributions Hispanic communities continue to make to the places we call home. These stories are not simple stories of immigration. They are stories of family, perseverance, hard work, hope, and enduring belief in the American dream.

For me, celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month is deeply personal It is about honoring my parents, my family and the countless families whose stories have helped shape the Santa Ana's Valley and Buellton. And communities throughout our country it is a celebration we came together and we have contributed and the future we continue to build together. So now Maria would like to say something on behalf of Centro Corazón.

Thank you, Adriana. And just because our little valley is so intertwined, Adriana's mother was my headstart teacher in preschool just a few years ago. So it is a very close and tight knit community. I am here on behalf of our CEO of Centro Corazon Comunitario but I'm also want to share with you, I am a founding member of the Organización de Latinoamericanos at Santa Ynez High School, also 30 some years ago.

So we are very committed to this community. Hispanic Heritage Month is a time to celebrate who we are where we come from and the contributions of our Hispanic and Latino community For our community, it is more than celebrating our culture for one month. It is an opportunity to honor traditions, languages, music, food, families and stories that connect generations.

At Centro Corazón Comunitario, this celebration reflects the work we do every day to support empower and connect local families through our programs resources community events and partnerships. We help create opportunities for people to access support build stronger relationships and feel a greater sense of belonging Our work is rooted in the belief that every family deserves to be heard, respected and connected to the resources they need. We strive to strengthen our community by uplifting Hispanic and Latino voices supporting families as they navigate challenges and creating spaces where people can come together share their experiences and celebrate their culture Hispanic Heritage Month is also a time to recognize the many ways Hispanic and Latino families contribute to our community through their work, businesses, schools, arts, agriculture service and community involvement.

At Centro Corazón Comunitario we are proud to stand alongside these families and help build a community Where everyone has the opportunity to thrive. Hispanic Heritage Month reminds us that our culture is a source of strength, our traditions are worth preserving and our community is stronger when we support one another and we celebrate together. El poder del cambio está en sus manos. Thank you.

Apologies that you sat already but we also will be asking if you don't mind taking a photo with us at this point. But I also before we do the photo, I want to check are there any events that are coming up that you'd want to make anyone in the community aware of in the microphone or anything like that?

We just got done with our Hispanic Heritage Month, so moving forward probably January we'll be planning more events possibly Cinco de Mayo coming up and or you know our next Hispanic Heritage Month.

And do you have a website or anything like

that? Not yet.

Okay an email address

yes you can do centrocorazoncomunitario at gmail.com

Perfect want to make sure of contact information there. Thank you. Take a photo for us.

One, two, three. Okay one more. Thank you so much.

Next up, we'll move on to our second item. Community organization support grant update from the Food Bank of Santa Barbara County.

Hey everyone! Thank you so much for having me here today. My name is Hannah Rickman and I'm the Grant Strategy Officer for the Food Bank of Santa Barbara County and I am very excited to share the impact of your grant this year. So I thought I'd start with a little background on the Food Bank really quick. The Food Bank's mission is to end hunger and transform the health of Santa Barbara County through good nutrition.

We believe that nutritional security and food literacy are important parts of individual and community health. Having reliable access to nutritious food gives people a stronger foundation to focus on other important areas of their life like employment, education, housing, and long-term health. Our work is guided by what we call our feed approach, food education environment and disaster resilience.

Food we provide healthy nutritious food with an emphasis on fresh produce and foods that reflect the preference expressed preferences of the communities we serve. Education, we provide nutrition education tailored to different ages, languages and life stages. Along with outreach to help neighbors access programs such as CalFresh. Environment, we support our local food systems, recover surplus food and reduce food waste through programs like composting, grocery rescue and farm-to-food bank.

Disaster resilience, we make sure Santa Barbara County is prepared to respond when emergencies affect our communities and serve as the leading organization for food response during a disaster. This work is particularly important right now because as the cost of living in Santa Barbara County continues to place immense pressures on families and individuals, we are also being affected by significant federal funding cuts.

The Public Policy Institute of California reports that Santa Barbara County has the highest poverty rate in California using the California Poverty Measure. The United Way's real cost measure also estimates that 40% of households in the county do not earn enough to cover basic expenses, including 64% of households with young children. At the same time we're facing these significant cuts to food resources that have historically supported our work.

Programs including the emergency food assistance program, the local food purchasing agreement program were eliminated or significantly reduced in 2025. Resulting in the loss of more than $3 million worth of food and funding annually for the Food Bank. As a result of this lost funding at the start of fiscal year 26 we faced a potential 25% reduction in total pounds of food we would be able to distribute during the year compared to the previous year.

However, with the incredible support of our community including the City of Buellton we were able to adopt programming and raise additional funding and brought this gap in total pounds of food distributed down to only 2.5%. In order to adapt our services in order to meet the needs of our community, in July 2025 we began our new Farm-to-Food Bank program to replace and grow the canceled local food purchase agreement.

Through Farm-To-Food Bank we purchased fresh fruits and vegetables from local and regional farmers and produce aggregators including farm cart organics who source produce from two farms in Buellton Sunrise Organics and Shepherd Farms This program allows us to continue providing nutritious, high-quality food to our neighbors while also supporting small local farmers who already struggle financially in our region dominated by larger industrial farms.

The cut of the LFPA not only meant a loss of funding for the Food Bank, it also meant a loss of anticipated funding for these small farmers. By continuing and growing the work of the Local Food Purchase Agreement Program, we were able to support our neighbors who farm, the environment, our economy all while providing high quality nutrient-dense food to our neighbors.

The food we purchase is distributed through more than 200 partner agencies and program sites across the county including two partners in the City of Buellton. ≫ Good morning, everyone. My name is Sarah Buellton and I'm the city manager for Buellton City Council and that brings me to the impact of the city of Buellton support. Grant funding from the city was used to support and purchase the distribution of vital food assistance to Buellton neighbors experiencing food insecurity.

During fiscal year 2026 we thought we would serve about 1700 neighbors in And we served our neighbors in partnership with the San Ynez Valley Community Outreach, including Buellton Senior Center and the Veterans Pantry. Together we distributed 363,942 pounds of food, including 69% that was fresh produce and thanks to the Farm-to-Food Bank program. That means that the city's investment is helping make healthy, nutritious food available directly to our community including older adults, veterans, families and other neighbors who benefit from our local sites. The numbers represent much more than food. We extend our heartfelt thanks to the City of Buellton's partnership and commitment to serving our neighbors with care and dignity.

Together we're doing all we can to meet the needs of our neighbors so thank you all so much for your support. Thank you very much for being here. Is there any questions

at this time from our representative?

Okay, my only question was if someone was in need of your... May I get your website again? In case someone is in need of your services.

Yes absolutely it's foodbanksbc.org and we have a list on there of all of our sites.

Thank you very much. Thank

you all so much for

coming tonight.

We will now move back to our regular scheduled public comment at this time for any items not on the agenda. Is there any other public comment at this time? There

are no public comments.

Okay, we'll now look at the consent calendar for Items 3 through 6. Would any council members like to pull one of those items or if not make a motion to approve?

I move to approve.

I'll second.

None this evening.

Any council member comments or items not on the agenda

It was a beautiful painting with cows and it's just a view of the mountain there. And it's set right above the fireplace, it looks really nice. Anyway they did a really nice good job and I encourage anybody to go look at it, kind of cool. Also want to thank Scott for setting up the conference this week. I learned a few things and attended some good classes and had a good time. Thank you for putting that together I also went to Danish Dave's. We need to have some big celebration in town like Danish Dave's because everybody gets all fest. And, you know, I just thank you for getting that together.

I just wanted to let everyone know that the Scarecrow Festival is back and better than ever. Wanted to give a big shout out to our Public Works Department who has made our scarecrows this year, basically the theme is look up to celebrate our drone show that it's coming for Winterfest and I believe voting can start October 1st and we are number nine. Is that correct? 19. Okay, so we're scarecrow number 19. So trust me even without looking at it you should be voting for number 90 but it is the best I promise. So thank you again to our folks work department

A few items I have, actually we received two requests on proclamations. One was that SBCAG is celebrating its 60th anniversary and they're asking all member agencies to provide a proclamation of recognition for that with our partnerships so I'm curious if there'd be consent for us to be able to add that issue out if that's okay? For SBCAG? Great. And then the other one is I was reached out to by the domestic violence and awareness organizations within it that the month of October is Domestic Violence and Awareness Month, and they were curious since they are expanding services throughout the county if we would be open to doing a proclamation recognizing Domestic Violence and Awareness Month? That's okay with the council.

I

agree

I want to make sure we get

out there. Also, a big thank you to Senator pro-Tem It's coming this way. So I just want to thank very much to her for making that in her office, for getting that through, especially in a tight budgetary situation like we have to have that coming to our communities can be huge. And then finally wanted to make everyone aware that there is an El Nino webinar on Thursday, October 1st from five thirty to seven that this county is putting on because it was so desired to be in attendance too, but they need to move it to a webinar format. So the information is online if you Google it. I was curious, maybe it might be worthwhile for us to push out a Buellton Engage possibly about that, seeing how there's been a lot of conversation about what we're expecting with the El Nino season event?

Sure. The Super El Ninos, yes. Yes, okay, that'd be great. So just Thursday October 1st from 530 to 7 on YouTube it will be available for everyone to watch. That's all I got. Thank you. Any written communications for the evening? None this evening.

The other piece of this information is So if you happen to see them at Fall Fest, you can talk to them about the SYB River Trail. Give your input and you can also go to sbkeg.org and put your input there for the river trail so again our river trail will be the first part of completion so they're really looking for us in our input so the more input we give them the better that trail will be for Buellton. So just those two pieces there and definitely more about the ramps but

Is that in your

report? As a quick preview, in case anyone's listening right now. As of the 30th which is day after tomorrow we will have the existing ramps that are closed will be opened again and the closures at that point will be the northbound off-ramp and the southbound on-ramp will be closed of Highway 141 at 246.

So basically, it's the last two ramps that haven't been touched.

Exactly. Yeah.

Yay! The last two.

Well they didn't actually do the one at Avenue of Flags at the end but hopefully they won't so... Two

more? Sorry and then last thing I want to say is that I did bring SBKEG's attention to the growing potholes near Freer and Ostrich Land with the concerns of the upcoming El Nino season and they said they would be looking at them to make sure that they are okay if we get tons of rain like we're supposed to. So fingers crossed Thank

you very much. And nothing from me, so we'll move on now to our business items. We'll turn over to our city manager.

Thank You Mr. Mayor. Mayor and council members, we have three business items this evening the first one is business item number seven this is a discussion of conceptual plans by Sergeant Town Planning for the median 3 on Avenue of Flags and our staff contact this evening is our planning director Andrea Keenan.

All right

All right. Good evening, Mayor Silva and members of City Council And as well as on previous efforts to come up with concept designs for this median. It does incorporate urban design elements that have been proven to make successful downtowns. So next I'm just going to go through. There's basically five distinct areas of the median, so I'll go through each one individually. So the first is the southernmost portion of the median which we're calling the Second Street Plaza.

This second street plaza, so this one would expand the end of the median by placing pavers on what is now sort of that striped dead space on the end of Seconton Avenue. So this would provide shortened and safe crosswalks across the intersections This portion would also include two Art Deco kiosks, which there are three options from an architectural design standpoint, which I'll go through here in just a minute.

These kiosks could range from anywhere from 600 or about 300 or 600 square feet each And they could house things potentially like a small cafe, a visitor center, public restroom, historical museum or anything we would desire as a city. We could also have temporary cafe seating, permanent seating and planters, photo opportunities, different things, different opportunities that we do view this as sort of the core of the downtown so really trying to make a statement here is the goal.

I think your 1st slide had the 3rd one.

Oh, it did okay? Yeah, it's in there we go yes. Okay so that was actually the 1st 1. The 2nd 1 is the more art down and then the 3rd yeah, there we go. Perfect. Andrea,

I'm so sorry. Sure. Can you like can you are there names for those particular styles? So when we're having these conversations they we can call them something consistent. So OK, so

let's see the we go back one slide. Sorry, OK that one so that we call streamlined art modern type of architectural style. OK maybe if I skipped over the first one will start there Maybe Andrew can chime in here. I mean, I just look at this as more of the modern Art Deco but maybe you have a better

time. Yeah this would be in the family of the moderne but it'd be a pretty sleek horizontal moderne and then the previous one I would say is kind of flanking Art Deco and Moderne and then the very first one is a little bit more purely Art Deco But in kind of traditional American downtown meets with a little bit of an Art Deco flair.

For the sake of this conversation, option one would be Art Deco, option two is hybrid and option three is modern?

Perfect or

modern, yeah. Modern, I'm sorry,

modern.

Art Deco, hybrid and modern. Okay,

thank

you.

Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to give it. No, I appreciate that. That helps. Yeah, right.

Thanks. Okay, so if we just go to the next slide. So okay so moving up in the northerly direction this is what we're calling the South Lawn. So this is envisioned to be an open sloped lawn and shaded stage area designed to host performances and other community events but also with the flexibility to be a useful park area outside of events And this is just a perspective Just sort of shows you walking through this portion of the median with the shaded trellis structures.

Okay, so moving toward the center of the median, this is where we envision what we're calling the food truck pod with a center flag fountain incorporating permanent paths for food trucks under a dense canopy of trees with a central fountain surrounded by the historic landmark flag. So this would also include mid-block crosswalks to connect the central pathway to both sides of the avenue.

The next item on the Council agenda tonight will discuss more specifically the allowance or placement of food trucks, but for now we're just presenting this concept plan to show how food trucks could be incorporated into this median. Okay and this just sort of shows surrounding context

I have a quick question. With regard to how the food trucks are within the median in this picture, are the food trucks taking the parking

spaces? So what we would envision is we would have like potentially some bollards that could retract you know go up and down and the food trucks could actually when the bollards are down the food trucks could actually The median as part of the median and then when there's then they could drive off. And then when there are not food trucks, they're the bollards could then come back up and you'd have more space for just flex space for the median type of yeah.

That picture that you were talking about with the food truck?

Okay, the one with like the tree back Yeah.

There it is so you can kind of see how they're inside actually inside of the medium but just off of the drive aisle or parking area at the median So we would envision some sort of way for them to get up and put dollars on there. Okay, perfect. So moving. Oh, will you go back? Yeah, there we go. So just moving toward what we're calling, more north and what we're calling the North Lawn. So this area would function as a landscaped park lawn with some light tree coverage and landscaping which could be flexibly used for picnics play or community event space surrounded by a paved path and some permanent seating in one corner.

It would be buffered by a good sized pedestrian path and parallel parking with trees. All right, and finally next slide Oh, and this just shows a perspective drawing. And the next is basically the north plaza. So the north end of this median we envision as some kind of a plaza containing potentially four small 12-by-12 vendor kiosks shown here in the streamlined modem style.

And like the south plaza, the north plaza would mirror it to utilize current dead space along the avenue and across street meaning we would add some pavement The thought with the kiosk is that they could house things like incubator spaces for things like startup retail or food vendors. There's a great example of successful similar operations in a town called Bothell, Washington. I think they call them pop-up shops on Maine which is their main street and it's an economic development program that could be incorporated into the plans for the median.

And basically, this is where the city partners with entrepreneurs on a rotating basis to lease out these buildings for up to two years providing businesses with microfinancing and business tools potentially. The idea is that a successful business could then be primed for relocation to a permanent location on the Avenue of Flags as spaces are developed. On this portion of the median, short crosswalks are also included here to safely connect the median to both sides So that completes the overall concept design. On August 6th we did take, staff did take these same concept plans to the planning commission and they did provide some comments. Those complete comments are provided in the meeting packet but generally the planning commission gave generally positive feedback on the concept plans.

They did indicate a preference for And emphasize the importance of trees and landscaping to create a contained downtown feel. We do currently have general fund allocation of $150,000 for the current fiscal year for design and permitting. For the median and additionally, the project management inspections and construction costs have been anticipated as a budget line item for fiscal year 2728 in the amount of $775,000.

So the recommendation this evening is that the council provide comments on the median three concept designs and provide direction to staff to begin the preparation of construction drawings, if appropriate. So that does conclude my report. I'm available for questions and two representatives from Sergeant Town Planning are also on Zoom, Andrew and David, if there are any questions or any additional context needed. And that concludes my report. Thank you.

And just for better as you move into this conversation, could you give a little bit more guidance to the four of us? What would you be looking for tonight?

So really just I mean an overall. I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions or comments.

Before we get into our discussion, any questions for staff at this time? Council Member Lewis, any questions? Council Member Sanchez. No questions. Vice Mayor Mead.

I have a question and it might be better to ask Andrew, I guess. So looking at the south lawn area which has basically like the shaded structures on the side, looking at this picture there's an area where there was chairs so it looks like it's going to be used for shows Is there any way to provide like a shade structure for that section? Just because it gets really hot here. So if you go back, like maybe one or two more. Maybe the next one. There's like that one there so is there anyway was shading considered in this area because I look at that and all I think is oh my gosh I'm so hot.

Yeah, I think our big trade offs 1st of all absolutely there could be a temporary or permanent shading solution here. But our thinking was that each of these 3 areas that center very dense grove and then the North lawn that would have more of an organic collection of trees but have a lot of shade this would be the 1 spot that would be a little sunnier. You know, throwing around balls and things. It takes advantage of the gentle slope here so the walkways go up so then they land at stage level but then the lawn could stay flat so that it's easy to put you know chairs and tables into events.

So it could have I would recommend temporary shading here just see if one opportunity for more of the open air sunny spot but absolutely.

We could check into the feasibility of some temporary shade sail type structures that might be supported from cables off the structures to the sides. It's not that wide, I would think we'd have to look at that feasibility in a bit more detail and get some initial calculations on what that would take structurally.

Okay, and I don't mean the whole area. In this picture for example, I'm just thinking about like where the chairs are set up so there would still be open space but the opportunity to provide shade for daytime activity.

Oh sure now we're mentioning something that could be completely open a lot of the time but you could pull it across

yeah

exactly like an awning or something okay. It's a good point it gets hot.

Yeah no kidding um and my second question is I am so in the age. Oh, hey, I live in we've had massive issues with our fountain because it attracts birds and they're disgusting. And so we've actually a limit and also we live in. We live in a drought area you guys fountains are typically not the direction of which we were going. So. We literally made our fountain into a succulent garden and now it's awesome. So if you decided to not go with the fountain, what are some other options maybe that you could put in? And if you don't have a solution to that right now, that's okay. I was just curious if there could be something different there that is just as lovely.

Well, it could be just an open area for having tables and chairs

Yeah, and I think having if there's a flag there similar to in front of the Pantheon in Rome you have just sea of places to sit right in the middle of the square. And so for the base of the flag kind of stepped out so you could just sit on it because people especially if you have seating in front of the food trucks all around in the grove at the middle you could just go and hang out and kind of see people that would be nice We do love the sound of water in a space like that. So even if it were really small, it could be nice to have a little bit of a feature but we know the complication. We've done the same thing.

Yeah, unless you want to come here and clean up our pigeons. I'd prefer maybe a recording of water. We'll just have it on the sound system. Okay my last question actually has to do with the number three like the kiosks. It's not that not the ones in the end. Not though not the foreign. I guess it doesn't matter either one this like streamlined kiosks So my, I really, I prefer, nope not that one. No the streamlining ones.

Modern.

Modern yeah number three.

Yeah.

I personally really like the design of these but compared to the other two, they do not offer as much in these drawings. They don't offer as much horizontal shading so could you adjust those? Like right in this picture there's only four people smashed into the shade that that's offering. Could you extend that out to provide more shading Because that is the benefit of the other two. It looks like they could provide more shading, but I'd love to know if this one could also provide more shading without losing the design concept.

Yeah, I think that same roof line. We tried to do different variables with each of the styles to show show different combinations but i think absolutely it could either be an extending roof similar to what you see over the door here could go in multiple directions and or if we if you wanted to be really dramatic you could connect across just like option one but keeping this style I think you

don't know me Andrew, but I love drama. So that sounds

incredible. Yeah, what's nice about that is it really creates a gateway to the space

David. The other thing that occurs to me is that 1 of those. Maybe the 1 in front and 1 of those could extend out farther and have a couple of pipe columns coming down. And it looked like 1 of the classic Texaco gas stations.

Okay, I'm not sad about that. I'm more familiar with Conoco, but I will all go with Texaco if I think I know what you're talking about. That sounds

to me. Yeah, there were a lot there were there were there were there were Art Deco gas stations all over the place that we're not much bigger than this canopy coming out over the pumps with a couple of columns.

yes okay great so it's definitely possible i just wanted to make sure okay great okay thank you those are all my questions

good i only had the concept of what you're saying with those gas stations because i think they have that in toontown and i feel bad that that's my only form of understanding what you're saying My question though is, I was curious because I'm a horrible designer. I say this in every situation my husband attests to it every time. I'm wondering if you could walk me through...I'm always curious about what your intention is because we can get here in the weeds a bit about I like this, I like that, I like this, I like that. I was wondering when you guys designed this what were you trying to achieve?

The most important thing was to take that enormous old highway and make some rooms that people find it comfortable to be in. So if you could go down, can you show the view where you're walking into that lawn space please? The spatial care... That one! I mean that is much more important than the style of any building. Is that you come into a space where you say whoa this is comfortable I want to spend some time here Whether it's listening to a concert, whether it's having a picnic. Or some other kind of gathering people like to people in downtowns like to be.

In an outdoor room with their friends and neighbors. And that's what this starts to make. That's the most important intention.

And so when it looks at this like you kind of broke it up into three individual sections, kind of bumped it up that way. So could you just kind of also walk me through how those interact with each other? How you envision those three interacting with each other?

Yeah, I would say building on what David said in order for it to feel kind of proportionally like a room as opposed to kind of a big long narrow hallway. Breaking it into three really gave us that proportion and different types of spaces. In this case you kind of split around the space and then you can be shaded either by you know an alley of trees or in this case an architectural pergola that we're showing but then you come back to the center before the flag and enter that center space right on axis And then you can continue straight through to the, to the upper lawn.

And so you're also kind of doing this game of going around the space and then straight through and then around another space. So you have some alternating. And then also it's kind of the opening up to the light and then closing within the grove, and then you kind of open again which has a really nice effect. It doesn't feel like you're going through a monotonous public realm experience. You feel like you're always encountering something new.