City Council — February 23, 2026

The City of Carpinteria is a city in the United States. Good evening and welcome to the Carpinteria City Council meeting. Today is Monday, February 23rd 2026 and we will begin with a roll call.

Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.

Now we'll bring it back to the council for any questions or comments and of course a motion.

I'll move that City of Carpinteria adopt the proclamation designating the month of March 2026 as Women's History Month. Second.

We have a first and a second, all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Seeing none, the proclamation has passed and we will read the proclamation and we will begin with Council Member Mayer.

Whereas March is nationally recognized as

Women's History Month and whereas the national theme for Women's History Month 2026 is Leading the Change, Women Shaping a Sustainable Future. This theme honors the women who have and are reimagining and rebuilding systems to ensure long-term sustainability in creating a future that is rooted in equity justice and opportunity for all and addresses today's most urgent challenges and laying the foundation for a more resilient and inclusive tomorrow and

Whereas we recognize March 8th as International Women's Day, a global day celebrating the social, economic, cultural and political achievements of women and

Whereas women of every race, class and ethnic background have made historic contributions to our nation and our community in countless recorded and unrecorded ways. And

whereas women have played and continue to play critical economic cultural and social roles in every sphere of life by constituting a significant portion of the labor force working inside and outside of the home and

Whereas women have also played a unique role throughout history by providing the majority of the volunteer labor force of the

city and. Whereas women were particularly important in the establishment of early charitable, philanthropic and cultural institutions in our cities and.

Whereas women of every race class and ethnic background served as early leaders in the forefront of every major progressive social change movement and

Whereas women have served our country courageously in the military,

and... Whereas women have been leaders not only in securing our own rights of suffrage and equal opportunity but also in the abolitionist emancipation, labor, civil rights and other movements including the Me Too and the Equal Rights Amendment efforts. And... Whereas

despite these contributions, the role of women in history has often been overlooked and undervalued.

Now therefore, the City Council of the City of Carpinteria does hereby recognize and honor Women's History Month 2026 embracing the theme Leading the Change. Women shaping a sustainable future and acknowledging that women are at the forefront of driving holistic change. And with that I'd like to request Beth Cox to share a few words before we provide you with the proclamation.

Good evening. Thank you so much on behalf of Women Making Change here in Carpinteria that was established in 2020, I'd just like to say thank you along with many women here who are so excited. March is Women Making Change and Women's History Month. Thank you so much.

Thank you and we'd love for you and anyone else to take a photo with us in the front.

You can stand up in the back

if there's two waiting.

All right, everybody looking here, smiling historic.

Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.

I will go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to the council for any comments or a motion.

I move that the city adopt the resolution in support of long-distance living heritage trails, and commemorating the 250th anniversary of the Juan Batista de Anza Expedition encampment near Carpinteria.

Second.

We have a first and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Seeing none, the resolution passes unanimously and we will now read the resolution. And we will begin with Councilmember Mayer.

Whereas the City of Carpinteria's unique geography, situated between the Pacific Ocean and the coastal mountain range has for thousands of years served as a place of travel gathering and sustenance forming part of an interconnected network of routes shaped by indigenous peoples long before European arrival and

Whereas historic travel routes throughout Carpinteria are more than physical pathways through the landscape, they are living heritage corridors that connect past and present and provide opportunities to preserve cultural memory, promote respectful and sustainable recreation, and strengthen community understanding and belonging.

Whereas the Carpinteria City Council Strategic Plan establishes goals to enhance existing and explore new recreational, educational and community engagement opportunities that support a connected inclusive and vibrant community rooted in a shared understanding of place and

Whereas on February 24, 1776 Juan Batista de Anza led an expedition of approximately 240 men women and children northward towards the San Francisco Bay Area and camped near present-day Rincon Point at a site known to the expedition as La Rinclonada in proximity to the established Chumash village of Mesopshno Within an area of the expedition referred to as La Carpinteria and...

Whereas expedition diarist Father Pedro Font recorded descriptions of the coastal landscape, marine life, and encounters with the Chumash people whose craftsmanship maritime knowledge and social organization reflected a deeply rooted in thriving culture. And

Whereas a network of trails within the City of Carpinteria coincides with the Juan Batista de Anza National Historic Trail, as designated by the National Park Service linking the city to a broader regional and national framework of historic

and cultural interpretation. And whereas the 250th anniversary of the Anza Expeditions encampment in the Carpinteria area presents an opportunity to acknowledge the region's layered histories including Spanish Mexican and American periods while also recognizing the profound and enduring impacts of colonial expansion on Indigenous communities, and affirming the importance of inclusive, accurate, and community-informed storytelling.

Now therefore be it resolved as follows. Section 1, The above recitals are true and correct and incorporated herein by reference. Section 2, The Carpinteria City Council hereby affirms its commitment to public education, historic preservation, respectful recognition of indigenous histories and inclusive community engagement through its support of long-distance living heritage trails that pass through the city.

In Section 3, the City Council recognizes February 24th, 1776 as a significant moment in the region's history and encourages educational interpretive and collaborative efforts such as the Explore Carpinteria initiative that elevate awareness of Carpinteria's natural, cultural and historic heritage in partnership with indigenous communities and for the benefit of present and future generations.

Passed approved and adopted on this 23rd day of February 2026. With that I'd like to ask all look to the clerk in terms of who will be receiving this proclamation.

Mayor that'll be Mr. Wilkinson

Perfect. Mr. Wilkinson, welcome and I invite you to the podium to share a few words.

Madam Mayor, City Council members and everyone here, I would like to express thanks for issuing a resolution that highlights the fact that the many pathways through our community are living heritage corridors that connect the past in the present and provide opportunities preserve cultural memory promote respectful and sustainable recreation, and strengthen our community and understanding and belonging. The story of the Anza Expedition is one of migration, and yesterday I joined 30 people on a walk from Rincon Beach County Park to Santa Claus Lane.

The five-mile hike gave us an opportunity to imagine the experience of the men women and children traveling through our community 250 years ago but also gave us an opportunity to think about our own stories of migrating to this community. Remarkably, portions of the route we followed would look familiar to those who traveled here in 1776. I encourage everyone to take two or three hours out of their life and walk from one end of Carpinteria to the other.

You will not regret it. Thank you.

Thank you, and we invite you to take a photo with us in the front.

Thank you. One this way.

We will now move on to our third agenda item which is a proclamation designated Sunday March 8th at 2026 as California Arbor Day in the city of Carpinteria. I would now, I will now open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips Do we have anyone via zoom? Mayor we have no raised hands I will go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to the council for any comments, and of course a motion.

I'll move to have the City Council adopt the proclamation designating Sunday March 8th 2026 as California Arbor Day. Second.

We have a first and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. The proclamation has passed unanimously and I will ask if Council Member Mayer can begin reading the proclamation for us.

Whereas in 1872, the first Arbor Day was observed in Nebraska as a special day set aside for the planting of trees and to recognize the importance of trees in

our daily lives. And whereas Saturday March 7th through Saturday March 14th 2026 have been designated as California Arbor Week. And

whereas Friday April 24th 2026 has been designated as National Arbor Day and

Whereas the City of Carpinteria recognizes the importance of trees in our daily lives as a source of beauty and comfort in the community by improving neighborhood appearance, creating a better living environment, affecting the weather by providing shade, heat reflection and wind protection and improving air quality and contributing to energy conservation, and...

Whereas the City of Carpinteria has established numerous policies and regulations concerning the protection of trees including but not limited to Carpinterian Municipal Code 1228.080 Which established the Tree Advisory Board to act in an advisory capacity to the City Council, city manager, city staff and administration of the various provisions concerning street trees.

Now therefore, the City Council of the city of Carpinteria does hereby designate Sunday March 8th 2026 as California Arbor Day in the city of Carpinteria and urges all citizens to recognize the importance of trees. And we'd like to present this proclamation to our Public Works Program Manager Ryan Ehrle. Welcome! Yes would you like to share a few words?

I promised the Public Works Manager that he had no speaking role. So a promise is a promise Madam Mayor, Council Members. Thank you Public Works Manager Ryan Arrow will take the honor of accepting the proclamation At this time we don't have a special event like we usually have in the past for planting a tree However, though it's an armored day for the City of Carpinteria Arbor week. So we will be working with our tree advisory board to get ideas which by the way that Tree Advisory Board meeting is this Thursday at 5 30 p.m.. Here in City Hall at the side conference room, and it will be presenting The matter before them and will work to find a special event so that way we could broadcast that through our social media And our city newsletter on when that event will be thank you

Thank you. And we invite you to take a photo with us. And we will now

Thank you, Madam Mayor, Council Members, City Manager and staff and everyone here. I'm honored, privileged and grateful to be a part of this community. I've started my role as General Manager at Carpinteria Valley Water District about one month ago and in that role I also serve as the Executive Director for the Groundwater Sustainability Agency But it's a very exciting time to be in this role.

We are working very hard on the Advanced Purification Project, which was awarded in January. So prior to... I don't really like to talk about myself very much but just so you know a little background about me. Prior to joining Carpinteria Valley Water District, I was the Assistant General Manager at Casitas Municipal Water District And my very last board meeting there was the award of the interconnection project, which will be connecting Casitas' system to the Carpinteria's water system. Which is a great regional project it's a bi-directional pipeline so water can flow both ways for emergency purposes and then prior to that I was the Water Supply Manager at the City of Santa Barbara I was there through the entire drought period for the desal reactivation, and I'm very familiar with the shared resources of the Kachuma project and the State Water Project.

So it just seemed like a natural fit for me to come to Carpinteria because I've worked on both neighboring sides within the region. Very excited to be here and look forward to working with your staff. I know the former General Manager Bob McDonald would give presentations periodically, so I'm happy to do that and will be available for questions at any time. Thank you!

Thank you, Ms. Dyer. And I know I don't want to speak for my council and my colleagues but I know I would love to schedule a tour with the Water District. I think that would be really helpful and so I'll reach out and we'll see if other council members can also join in on the tour. Excellent! Any questions from council? Okay then welcome thank you thanks very much We will now

Hello everybody good to be here honorable mayor other VIPs as well. A lot of you may not know who I am and that's perfectly understandable because i've never been here before but here we go My name is Maurice Fisher. I'm a public affairs specialist with the Small Business Administration Office of Disaster Recovery and Resilience, and pretty much I'm like the Paul Revere for small business administration. What we do is we go to different locations where disasters have been declared, and we preach the good knowledge of small business interest loans, and I've got some brochures here that I'll leave with Mr. Barrett prior to leaving But just a couple quick notes. This is a reference to the late December storms that you had, December 16th through the 26th of...

I'm sorry, the late winter storms and This is an EIDL, which is Economic Injury Disaster Loan. It pertains mainly to businesses, local businesses and nonprofits as well. And the best way to get that word out is to speak with city council chambers of commerce mayors and very important dignitaries like that. With this we want to push the word out to the different business knowing that they can apply for up to $2 million loan. They don't have to get the $2 million. They can go just short of that or whatever their business needed No payment is due for the first 12 months. And with that being said, your payments will start once you receive your first disbursement from the government.

Once you get that, then you're good to go. You're rocking and rolling. You don't need to wait for your insurance to kick in before you apply. You can do this in conjunction with the small business loan. The best way for us to get this word out here is to meet with the City Council and Chairs of Commerce like I said earlier because we're not able to go door-to-door to different businesses and tell them about this and talk about that. Our best matter of communication is with you guys And again, I appreciate you guys having me out here.

I listened to a couple other speakers prior to me, the gentleman who said you can walk from one end of Carpinteria to the other The way my knees are set up, I don't think I can make that walk. But I appreciate the thought. A couple things that you'll need when you apply for this loan, when you apply for the loan, business as applied, you need an email address and a contact information for all applicants. If you are one of the applicants who has possession of that business like 20% or more, you also must fill out that application as well.

What you will need is your social security number, your employee ID number You need to provide financial income or financial information which results in the income and monthly expenses, and a complete and true copy. of the most recent federal income tax return, and this can be provided at a later time. Also for your information, insurance needs to be sent in too.

Now the best way – there's not a center opened up near here but if you want to find out where there is a center, you can go to sba.gov forward slash disaster and once you go onto that website You'll see what the closest center is, and by I say center that means we can go in and they will assist you in filling out the paperwork. Get you scored away and on that road there. Also, you can also check the status of your application as well. And it's also phone number 1-800-659-2955. Now look at that as I read that because I'm pretty new. This is my rookie season with SBA.

Prior, I am no stranger to disaster. I served with the Texas Department of Public Safety for 30 years which is state police there in Texas and during that course of time I have seen my fair share of disasters. I know it is not an easy thing as you know that the more resilient the people are, the more things can get done. And since my time being here in California this is a beautiful place, a beautiful city and I appreciate being able to come out here and put forth that effort because to be of service is the greatest point for a mayor. So with that being said, I'll leave these with Mr. Barrett as well as a few business cards And again if there are no further questions, in and out. That's how I like it. In and out.

Thank you for your presentation. I'll open it up to council members any questions? Doesn't look like it okay thank you. I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via zoom?

Mayor we have no raised hands.

Go ahead and close public comment. We will now move on to public information reports and announcements and we will hear from our first district supervisor. Hello, welcome

Daisy. Welcome Wade. Hi hello mayor Alarcon and the rest of the council so I have a couple updates for you tonight but the first one I wanted to start with was an update on cannabis and I brought my colleague Wade Cooper to talk about it because he has been working on this for a long time so Wade can take away

Good afternoon Mayor, Council Members. As you know I'm sure this is a big issue for our constituents as well as a big issue for your constituents so we wanted to come down and I wanted to come in person as Daisy mentioned I've been working on these issues for a long time and oversee this in our office and we do have couple of big things coming up. Just wanted to give an update and some clear idea of what's going to happen with the extensions for the updated odor abatement plans, which require carbon scrubbers in all of the grows here in the Carpinteria Valley.

Originally, the hearing was scheduled for March 3rd but did get moved to March 10th because we had some scheduling conflicts there. So there is no board meeting on March 17th so March 10th is the last day before the deadline where extensions can be filed for and that's really the only day. The meeting is going to be in Santa Maria, but for those of maybe you somebody from the city or most importantly the community members who'd like to come to speak about it.

They will be able to go to the county building at 105 East Anna Pamu Street and speak to the board meeting there at the Santa Barbara location. So that day, there will be staff presentations of about 15 minutes followed by analysis and recommendation on each extension. Those will be brief. Then five-minute applicant presentations for the eight seeking extensions for a total of about 40 minutes. And then the board will deliberate on each of those extensions.

If the board disagrees or agrees with the Planning and Development recommendation and wishes to deny, then staff will prepare findings for denial on the day. So other growers will know that day whether or not their extension has been granted or denied. If an extension is denied then this is a pretty important part of it The applicant loses their county cannabis license, they must remove their plants and they cannot legally continue cultivating.

However there are a few caveats there. The underlying planning entitlement remains vested runs with the land so at any point in time they can update their OIP come into compliance with the law and by that I mean put in carbon scrubbers and then continue operating. They can If a denial of the extension happens, there is an appeal process. Decision's not appealable to the Coastal Commissioner or another county board like that. This is the last stop but they can appeal to...

Well first county sends a notice and then applicant has I think I believe within a couple weeks to file for an appeal and then it goes before an administrative law judge, which is a state board that hears things like this. Carpinteria has been dealing with this for a long time. We were down in this room almost a year ago to have a hearing on cannabis and cannabis odor Don't want to speak for everybody, but I believe that we will make significant strides starting on March 18th. But I don't want to lead everybody to believe that on that day immediately everything is going to get fixed even if someone loses their license there will be a little bit of a lag period before all their plants come out and they're stopping producing So obviously, a few of the things we've done.

We reduced overall cultivation acreage, increased licensing fees and then required scrubbers to be installed so this has been a priority for Supervisor Lee's office along with majority of the board obviously and so we wanted to come and present you and see if you had any questions or any questions you might be getting from constituents that were not getting

Any questions? You mentioned that, oh sorry. No go for it. Mine's very quick and that there are eight businesses seeking extension so how many are in compliance then?

So there are well so it's eight operations they operators sometimes have different addresses that they're working at so it's a number of different buildings but eight operators who are coming and looking for extensions if you want I can read off the addresses for you if that's useful Sure. Cool. 5775 Casitas, 1628 Cravens, 5138 Foothill, 4505 Foothill, 5888 Villarreal, 3651 Foothills, 5554 Casitas and 5980 Casitas. There's a couple who have Subsequently put in updated OAPs, but everybody else in the valley has scrubbers in so

how many what is the number of the operate the total? number of operators in the Carpentry a part of the county.

I believe it's 18 greenhouse operations in the valley So right now there's fifty seven point six acres that have scrubbers in and operating and there's sixty point four That are are operating without scrubbers and so Like immediately that number is going to come down because of the two who are coming in with updated OAPs and scrubbers installed. And I can't, obviously it's a quasi-judicial, I can't even project how the supervisors are going to rule but I can tell you that Supervisor Lee has kept a very careful eye on this and has been very responsive to the community members on the issue.

Oh, one other thing that you all might get asked about is the vapor phase which is the odor masking agents that have been operating for a long time now. We hear about that almost as much as the odor. On March 18th those are banned under our county code and will no longer be allowed to operate. Great thank you. Yeah

That was my question also so thank you

And I will make way for my colleague Daisy Weber.

I'm glad I didn't even attempt to mention all that stuff. Okay, so moving right along. I have some updates on housing. So last time I was here Council Member Nomura asked about a Cravens Lane update. So at the moment that is an open project and There are some inconsistencies that the applicant is working on. So all the county departments, fire planning, public works, they submitted some things that need to be fixed. I believe that County Planning and Development mentioned that the city had some comments about the frontage road public hearing on that.

Alrighty, okay. So then the next one is the Baylor project so on February 12th we had a big meeting in one of the meeting rooms here with teams from the city. So director Bob Roth Director Olason City Manager Ramirez was there, Carp Summerlin Fire Marshal was there. The applicant was there and their team of engineers and traffic study folks. And then County Public Works and Planning Development in our office was also there so... The applicant in that meeting supplied an updated project for kind of internal review, supplied their traffic study that they had done And then the takeaways from that meeting were that the applicant, the Red Tail folks were going to set up a meeting follow-up meetings with various stakeholders. So with city staff, with fire, with the Casitas Villages HOA to really kind of dig into different elements so that meeting was 90 minutes long and it was a lot of poking holes into what they had brought forward.

They also require an annexation into the Carp Sanitary District, into their service boundary so the applicant is going to meet with LAFCO about that and currently the Builders Remedy application is still open so that's something We are all urging them to remove, but the applicant still does have that open. I'm happy to answer any questions about that meeting.

Mr. Ramirez was there so you could also ask him.

Quick question for you on this one here, actually not a quick question but a question. We have well you've cited that they're going through the planning process right now for conformance so yeah project conformance once you have project conformance how is the county going to be addressing some of the issues or challenges with access ingress egress all of the above along with the developing of the common roads that we have between the city and the county?

So that was predominantly what the meeting was about, was about the ingress-egress issues. I'm not a land use or a public works person so bear with me but it's a complicated area specifically because of the park, because of how many parcels abut this particular unit, because of the HOA, Pandanus, that alleyway because of the emergency access or lack of emergency access. So that meeting was really specifically to address some of the ideas that they had proposed so for instance one of the original applications for this project had a roundabout that was pretty quickly determined that that was not going to be a good solution so then the question becomes Where would they put their ingress, egress? And so that meeting between the city and the county public works engineers specifically really was addressing the ingress-egress issues.

And so the subsequent meetings that the applicant is having is to see what's a viable option. So that's what's being discussed right now.

Okay, so I'm assuming that the applicant will not be responsible for example of infrastructure traffic-wise within the city itself. For example if we're talking about Baylord we are going to have multiple areas so there's going to be traffic issues parking issues all the above and that's going to be extended beyond the scope and footprint of the project. So we're looking at Baylord overpass area there all of the stop signs going to be impacted there if we go to Cravens, we're going to have the same issue right there along Villarreal. And also again I state this that the county road that goes through near the or right at the cemetery district is extremely narrow it's almost driving driveway width and so if that's going to be handling more traffic i need to i would like to understand how the county is going to remedy that issue

Were you discussing Cravens and Baylor

in that? I'm talking about both because they're both going to be a problem with pretty much in the same areas.

Got it, well this is why this all goes to a planning commission into the hearing. I'm not the one that decides this stuff. I don't think anybody wants to see any traffic problems. I don't think anybody wants to see an emergency get backed up, so this is all part of the process and I do believe that the county's Entire role there's there's an entire department devoted to making sure that roads are safe and I'm the city has one too, so I completely hear you and perhaps when there's a Something to present we can get a public works person from the county down here to talk about it. But at this point it's just those questions are still being hammered out by the engineers and

Right. And the reason I bring this up, this is a unique situation in time. Right now we are working with the county and within the city. We have jurisdictions that have cross lines where we can't technically cross but I see in the benefit of both communities, the county and the city, that we have joint effort, that we have joint hearings that talk about how these impacts will be affecting the city And what the remedies with the county would have within our jurisdiction to assist us as we have more building done outside of our line but immediately adjacent to city properties.

If that's something that council wants to do, I'm sure we could look into that.

Uh, well first Council Member Nomara through the Mayor I just wanted to touch on some of the first questions regarding how things are going to be resolved. So I just want to start off by thanking Daisy and Supervisor Lee's office because there was no requirement necessarily for all these people to come together at this time with this Pre-planning, I think it's important that it is happening and Supervisor Lee recognized that and got us all into the room to start having these conversations. I don't think anybody had quite the answer to it yet right now we're more at the point where we're identifying what the constraints in the issues are so that we can get to the part where We're looking to develop solutions. What I can say is the city is participating, along with Carp Summerlin Fire District and county planning and development on ensuring that we get something that works for all parties.

And then related to the joint development review process, I know that Attorney Acos had some thoughts on that.

Council Member Nomura through the Mayor. I'm not sure if you were, you may have just meant joint meetings which is what the City staff has been doing and I would recommend that as a way forward rather than joint hearings since we do not have, we have jurisdiction over the portion you were talking about with some of the ingress and egress issues but not over the project as a whole since it's outside of the city's jurisdiction so I think it's important to just make sure that that's very clear to the community This development project is taking place in the county, so under the jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. But I think your point about continued joint meetings is well taken and should be...I think that's what staff is planning to do, to stay coordinated.

And I did want to add that that included, so part of the impact to our infrastructure obviously we're all concerned about what the impacts are going to be and how the city's going to manage that when we don't necessarily have full control over the project. And so that was definitely illuminated and discussed and they were reviewing their traffic study right now where it considers those impacts and then also the compounding impacts between their project, the potential Bluffs One Project And so we're actually looking at all of that, so that we know what the correct solution is. And so we will be working through all of that as well.

Sounds good. With that being said, right now we have SBCAG as one organization that's specific to transportation, public transportation. Is there potential that we would have something similar to that where the cities could work together with the county to come up with policy measures specifically for this housing element?

Council Member North, through the Mayor. I'll have to do a little bit more research on that one and so if I could I'll come back to you at a future meeting with the response.

Of course, I didn't expect an answer on that one. It's just a possibility there thank you

Thank you. Does this kind of extend that last discussion? I think one thing that we're coming to is a planning thing where you look ahead and you see potentially thousands more people living in that area, and you combine that with the bluffs housing. And so When you look at the infrastructure that's there, it probably all has to get changed out. And so the planning should be what is each developer's portion of that pie? What does it cost for that slice of pie?

And those should be fees that eventually get to the construction phase.

Any other questions? Yes. It's less of a question and more of a comment, which I wanted to acknowledge that you being here and you bringing this information forward means these conversations are happening so first of all just thank you for bringing it to us. I think that meant for many residents of Carpinteria when we hear that there's a project going on in the county it feels that we have no say in what happens Just the fact that you are bringing us constant updates, you're telling us about these collaborative meetings. You're telling us about all of these districts that affect and are part of our city being part of the conversation.

That feels like a huge step in the right direction towards collaboration so I just want to acknowledge and say thank you for me as a resident who gets asked a lot of questions after you bring these informational meetings to us. I leave with a lot of answers So thank you.

Yeah, and... Oops, sorry. Oh no, go ahead. I just have a different question but I don't know if you wanted to respond to that? Okay. You mentioned that the applicant hasn't withdrawn their Builders Remedy Project. Was there an explanation...? Is there reasoning behind that because I know that sounded like that was a big part of the original discussion around these changes.

Yes. The applicant has mentioned that they I mean, developers are going to develop so they're going to look for the path of least resistance. So they're hanging on to the builder's remedy until it seems like that there is an easier route with the re-zones that might make things ministerial The rezones are going back to the Coastal Commission for final approval. That hasn't happened yet, it's still in the Coastal Commission's hands so that's what we've been told. Okay thank you yeah

Vice Mayor Solorzano also added the county planning and development was saying that they were going to have to make a decision on which application. It was becoming too difficult to process both of those simultaneously, and so they'll have to make a decision at some point in the near future.

Thank you that's very helpful thank you

Yeah, and hopefully by the next meeting here we can report out on the meetings that the applicant had with staff around ingress egress around emergency access those are with fire. Those are all being hammered out at the moment And it's on the applicant to put those meetings together. I was pretty clear in the last meeting that I'm happy to bring people together, but it is not my job to usher through applications. So the applicant is hopefully working with staff on that and has indicated that they would like to meet collectively again mid-March. So that would be about a month from our previous meeting.

If I may interrupt really quick. Similar to what my colleague said, I'm really happy to know that we're back at the table with the county and the applicant. I think we've been down this road before and things fizzled out but i do think it shows that Carpinteria, at least the council has an eye on this project. It's important for us to be a part of it My hope is that we can continue to have these conversations and discussions so that it can benefit Carpinteria and the residents of Carpinteria, especially in those neighborhoods or in that neighborhood. And so my question really is directed to staff because although I appreciate the monthly updates, I feel like that might be...I think I'm looking for more updates or how can the council be more informed in terms of the conversations that are happening between city staff, the county, and the applicant?

Mayor, you know right now I think staff has tried to as we reach milestones or we actually have some solid information wanted to bring that to all as part of our city managers reports are other things. You know right now the information I don't think would necessarily be incredibly helpful as we bounce back and disagree about this or that. And we don't really have, we haven't landed on any solid place. You know they provide the traffic study but we disagree maybe on what some of the results say they go back. We include new information there their traffic studies still had the farm project on it versus the bluffs one. And so it's more like currently an exchange of information so that their ideas and plans can be refined. And then I think you know as Daisy mentioned They're working on just providing us their new plan and Daisy and Supervisor Lee have been instrumental in sort of pushing them to get that up on the website.

So I think as we hit those milestones, we'll definitely be coming back with information for the council and the community.

One last point on that, sorry. This is looking at the Reno numbers that we have and they're again bringing forward the numbers that the county's going to be presenting on their Reno numbers. We have the potential of literally doubling the population of this valley that's going to be impacting directly to Carpinteria City Knowing that when we're talking about little numbers, when I say little numbers traffic things like that it's based on current time. It is not going to be based on the final end product where we have twice as many people living in the valley so I would like to see us err on the generous side as opposed to try and tightening those numbers as tight as we can because we'll be out of that one within 5-10 years. Yep