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Good evening everyone and welcome to the Carpinteria City Council meeting. Today is April 13th, 2026 and we will we have started the meeting and I'll ask for a roll call please. And if you are willing
We will now move on to introductions, proclamations and presentations. And we have a handful of proclamations and presentations to get our meeting started. And the first one is a proclamation designating the month of April 2026 as Fair Housing Month in the City of Carpinteria. I'd like to open up public comment on this item. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
I will
close
public
comment and
bring it back to the council for a motion. I move to adopt the proclamation designating the month of April 2026 as Fair Housing Month in the City of Carpinteria.
Second.
We have a first and a second
all those in favor? Aye. Proclamation passes and we will now read the proclamation starting with Councilmember Mayer.
Whereas April is National Fair Housing Month which is currently celebrated Which is currently celebrating the 58th anniversary of the passage of the Federal Fair Housing Act of April 11, 1968. The enactment of this act prohibits discrimination concerning the sale rental and financing of housing based on race color religion national origin sex familial status and disability and
Whereas during the month of April, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and Fair Housing Advocates will participate in a national effort to promote fair housing with the theme Faith, Freedom & Fair Housing and
Whereas the City of Carpinteria is committed to advancing equity in housing by partnering with the City of Santa Barbara's Rental Housing Mediation Program for the past 19 years providing education, eviction prevention, mediation with a successful out-of-court resolution of rental housing disputes thereby assisting in the prevention of homelessness and
Whereas according to the 2025 Fair Housing Trends Report, despite the local state and federal laws that prohibit discrimination 24,000 fair housing complaints were filed the prior year alleging discrimination based on one or more of the Fair Housing Act's seven protected classes including an increase of nearly 8.5 percent in complaints based on national origin
and Where as part of the city's participation in National Fair Housing Month, notice will be placed on the City's website directing residents to information about fair housing and the Rental Housing Mediation Program and its services.
Now therefore the City Council of the City of Carpinteria hereby proclaims April 2026 as Fair Housing Month in the City of Carpinteria and urges all local residents to understand and exercise their right to equal housing opportunity. We'd like to present this proclamation to Andrea Bufano, welcome!
Thank you Mayor Olicron and City Council members for this Fair Housing Proclamation. I'm Andrea Bufano, Rental Housing Mediation Program Supervisor. I've been in this position for the past 39 years serving people within our community and surrounding communities. It's an honor for me to accept this proclamation on behalf of the Rental Mediation Program and Board I'd like to invite Raymond Rango and Diana Santiago, rental housing mediation program specialists, to come up here as well.
They are our staff. We also have a board of 15 City Council appointed mediators who volunteer their time and experience to assist in our mediations. Our officers are Heather Smith, Chair, Rigoberto Gutierrez Vice-Chair, and Kathy Murillo Secretary. The City of Santa Barbara has been partnering with the City of Carpinteria for the provision of rental housing mediation program services for the past 19 years, which includes the education of landlord-tenant rights and responsibilities at no cost to program participants.
It is very important as a community to celebrate and recognize National Fair Housing Month as discrimination is still very prevalent. Only through education and awareness, change can occur at every level within our society beginning with our local community. And that is what we're doing here today. We have brought some rental housing mediation brochures and fair housing flyers with contact information for filing a fair housing complaint to share with the community.
We would like to thank the City of Carpinteria Nick Bobroff Community Development Director and his team Mindy Fogg and Megan for their collaboration with the Rental Housing Mediation Program. It is truly a pleasure to serve the residents of the City of Santa Barbara, thank you. Okay, thank you so much.
Thank you and before we take a photo I'll just say I had the opportunity to be on the board several years ago And I was just really impressed with how well-trained The mediators are and how helpful this program is not only for the tenants but the landlords as well So thank you for your work on that on this for this program Thank you, and would any of my colleagues like to share anything else?
Okay, I'll invite you to take a photo with us. Okay, I Item number two is a proclamation designating the week of April 19th through the 25th, 2026 as National Library Week in the City of Carpinteria. And I see many with very cool library shirts on. I'd like to open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.
I will close
public comment and bring it back to the council for a motion. I move to adopt the proclamation designating the week of April 19th to the 25th, 2026 as National Library Week in the City of Carpinteria.
Second.
We have a first and second
all those in favor? Aye. Proclamation passes and we will begin reading the proclamation with Councilmember Mayer.
Whereas Carpinteria Community Library adapts to the ever changing needs of its community continually expanding collections services and partnerships. And whereas
our librarians work to serve all community members including people of color immigrants people with disabilities and the most vulnerable in our community and strive to develop and maintain programs and collections that are as diverse as a populations they serve and ensure equity of access for all end
Whereas the City of Carpinteria, through support of its library provides the opportunity for everyone to pursue their passions and engage in lifelong learning allowing them to live their best life and.
Whereas the Carpinteria Community Library plays an important role in the economic vitality of Carpinteria and the residents who live here by providing internet and technology access Wi-Fi hotspots literacy skills learning platforms and support for job seekers and
Whereas the Carpinteria Community Library is an accessible and inclusive place that promotes a sense of local connection, advancing learning and understanding civic engagement and shared community goals.
Now therefore the City Council of the city of Carpinteria hereby proclaims the week of April 19th through the 25th, 2026 as National Library Week in the city of Carpinteria and encourages all local residents to get a library card and explore the wealth of resources available at the Carpinteria Community Library. And with that I'd like to invite our librarian Eric and fellow committee members to the podium if you'd like to share a few words.
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It is an honor to receive this proclamation. I haven't prepared anything because every day, I am privileged witness of the transformation of our little library and how we are working to be a space open to everyone. But this is not my work, it's the work of all the whole community, the friends of the library, the commissioners, the people who come everyday, the parents, the mother who comes to me and tell me what they would like to see in their library It's an honor to receive people from Carpinteria that are asking for help, looking for jobs. And we are able to work with them and help them be part of their progress in society.
Every day I am amazed of everybody who visits the library. Today, I just left the library. I left 14 teenagers playing their first competition, a program that they created by themselves and I was surprised seeing these teenagers coming and coming and coming, and registering for being a player and being in the competition. So for that I'm very grateful to have this opportunity to be a witness of the transformation of this little library who will behave as a big library. Thank you so much. And I invite all the commissioners and friends of the library to be with me to receive this proclamation. Thank you.
Hi, I'm Glynn Birdwell. I am one of your Library Advisory Commissioners also the CARP representative for the County Library Advisory Committee. Retired librarian and all-around library supporter thank you for this proclamation it's a wonderful way to celebrate the amazing success of the Carpinteria Community Library and also highlight its role as essential social infrastructure for the community The theme of this year's National Library Week is Find Your Joy. And I really like this theme because our library really does bring joy to the community of Carpinteria.
In January, the state conducted a survey called Every Story Counts. You heard a report from Eric about that last month. A week in the life of a public library and I'd like to share a few comments from this survey from Carpinterians that illustrate how our community members find joy at the library. Joy in having a welcoming place to come, a cool place on a hot day and a dry place on a rainy day.
In gathering with other parents and children for story time. Joy in finding your next great read. In gathering with others who share your interests, discuss a book, knit, write poetry or songs, learn another language. Of learning how to download an e-book on that e-reader you got for your birthday. Joy that comes from improving your literacy and computer skills to help you find a better job, and having a place to go to find reliable information.
And the joy that comes from feeling of belonging and inclusion in a space where everyone is welcome regardless of age, income or background. And the really cool thing is how the library, and Eric spoke to this, the library staff feel that joy too. I still remember the joy I felt the first time I really helped somebody find what they needed in the library. The Carpinteria community library staff is there for all of us helping us find our joy. Thank you very much.
I just want to congratulate the library on everything that you do. Eric, your staff is As phenomenal as you are, I spend more time in the library now than I did probably five years ago. Even though my daughters are older they don't need storytime or anything but I'm going there because there's so much more to be participating in and so many more ways to be part of the community there. So just thank you and Tara Holden, Stephanie Gosh, I can't remember everybody but thank you for being such a welcoming place for everybody. Just you've done tremendous work there as a team.
Yeah and also like to congratulate the group. You made this quite a hub for the community before it wasn't anything but you guys have done an outstanding job. I do have one question are we going to include Eric with a shirt? I don't see him wearing a shirt so... Don't feel left out Eric. I think you were gonna get one
And I'd like to just say our library really wouldn't be what it is today without our staff, our committee members and of course most importantly the community. So thank you all for really believing in our little library. With that I'll invite you all to come to the front and take a photo. Councilmembers may need to stand in the back is what I'm thinking.
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How do we get one of these cool t-shirts?
Thank you.
We will now
move on to item number three in our agenda, which is certificates of commendation awarded a Carpinteria emergency response team trainees and trainers. I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
I'm here. We have no raised hands.
Okay. Oh yes. This is only for certificates of commendation awarded to. Okay great so I will close public comment and I will invite Julissa Briones our staff to share a few words.
Good evening Mayor, Council Members and members of the community. My name is Julie Sabriones and I serve as Emergency Manager for the City of Carpinteria. I'm proud to share that this spring the City of Carpinteria together with the Boys & Girls Club of Carpinteria, the Carpinteria Summerland Fire Protection District and the Santa Barbara County CERT Collaborative graduated 16 new members from our Teen Community Emergency Response Team or Teen CERT Program. These dedicated young individuals completed more than eight units of hands-on training from March 31st through April 3rd, culminating in a final drill at the Boys and Girls Club of Carpinteria. That exercise brought together over 10 volunteers and demonstrated the teamwork medical response skills and emergency preparedness these graduates worked very hard to develop I also want to emphasize that none of the emergency preparedness courses offered across our city is done alone.
These programs are the result of close and frequent collaboration among emergency managers, community leaders like Diana Ornelas, public safety partners like Carpinteria Summerlin Fire Protection District, instructors and volunteers all working together across jurisdictions to bring these trainings to life. This marks the first teen CERT course held in Carpinteria in over a decade and only the second in the city's history. We're really proud to see this important program return and thrive.
Tonight we're pleased to recognize several of our teen CERT graduates who are here with us, many of them are from Carpinteria but we also have others who have joined us from Goleta and Santa Barbara as well reflecting a strong regional commitment to preparedness. We'd also like to recognize and thank our dedicated instructors, Bob Strojek, Suzette Chafee and Anthony Rodriguez who are also with us this evening.
Congratulations again to our graduates and thank you to our partners, instructors and volunteers for your continued commitment to building a more prepared and resilient Carpinteria. And then I have the list of their names if you're ready.
Would Diana like to share a few words?
So my name is Diana Ornelas. I am with United Boys and Girls Club of Santa Barbara County Carpinteria club, and since I'm here, I have a moment. Um, I really do want to thank the city of Carpinteria for collaborating in bringing this CERT program. It was something that after I finished my training, I'm like we need to do this for the kids. This would be great. So I really want to thank you for doing that I really want to highlight, Julissa's very modest.
She really did everything so I really want you to know that she did an amazing job and she handled the teenagers so thank you.
So I will have Julissa announce the names of the recipients and I will hand them their certificates and then I'll just ask for the participants or those who received the certificates to just stand up front with your certificate and we'll take a photo at
We have quite a few of us in here, but I think some are hiding in the back. If you hear your name can you come on up? Alexis Julianne. Arlo Nemitz Arturo Cabrera. Brian Soriano. Daphne James. Drake Kilbourne. Holland Vega. Sorry we have a couple of folks that aren't here with us. Leah Hines. Lincoln Kilbourne. Lucia Carreno. Naomi Suarez. Sophia Carreno. Summer Ziegler.
Vanessa Julian. Ethan Lee. And Brandon Lee. And then we have a couple of trainers who are here with us, Bob Strojek Anthony Rodriguez. And lastly, Diana Ornelas.
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Before you all leave, I just want to say thank you to all of the teen participants and the trainers and everyone. You know there's been a lot of talk about Carpinteria as being this special place And I think what we all know is that it doesn't happen by accident It happens because we all do our part We all step up we find a thing that where we can contribute and knowing that there's so many teens in this town that are You know going to be able to step up in the event of an emergency makes me feel really proud. So, thank you
And I just wanted one more time to thank Julissa Briones, our amazing city staffer. She doesn't take a lot of credit for herself but this, I know this program in particular she's been instrumental in bringing it back and just doing so much of the invisible work that we don't necessarily see but she is such a wonderful part of our city family.
I'd like to just echo what my colleagues have said. I think that this is such an important program and it's really, this is something that we've talked about for several years so it's really nice to see it coming back to our community and more than anything bringing teens into the mix and of course our partners so thank you all
And one last comment I would like to make. Working internationally, a lot of the projects and things we do including disaster relief it's a true fact that those communities that work together stay together so thank you very much for all you're doing
We will now
move on to the next item on our agenda, which is a presentation by the County of Santa Barbara Public Health Department on the Carpinteria Healthcare Center.
Come on up team. We'll get started, thank you good evening City Council members my name is Jeanette Gumber I'm a nurse and the clinical nurse administrator for the South County clinics one of which is our Carpinteria Clinic and thank you for letting me provide with my team a short presentation about what we do and who we are So I brought with me Jeff Nicoli, who is our RN supervisor at the clinic.
Paola Hurtado, who is our division chief of primary care and family health for the county of Santa Barbara. And Dr. Cara Garcia, who is our chief physician and also a working pediatrician at our clinic. Oh, I guess I have to slide next. I have a slideshow for you so let's see if I can effectively do that. Whoops! There we go. So this year marks the County of Santa Barbara Health's 100th anniversary, so we've been celebrating all year as a health department. And we also adopted a new logo and you can see that our logo is the profile of an animal in the orange, a person or body there and on the right is a leaf and that represents our three divisions of Animal Services, our Public Health Clinics and Environmental Services.
Oops, wrong way. There we go. We're a really truly a community clinic we serve. We often see family our families grow in the community. We see children in our pediatrics department well before that we take care of. We have a pretty robust OB clinic and those moms deliver and they bring their babies into Dr. Garcia to be cared for. We see them through childhood and adolescence and we often see them through till they're old enough to transfer into our primary care docs. Last year we had almost 8,000 patients or 8,00 visits come through our little clinic. We often call it a small but mighty clinic because no one knows where we are. We're nestled between the library and the fire department but we have a lot of services there and Jeff will be talking to you about all that we do.
Our patient population is made up About 65% SenCal patients. Patients who have SenCal as a managed care insurance, about 23 who have Medicare or a combination of Medicare and a supplemental, and about 6% self-pay. And I'm going to hand over to Jeff now. Jeff you got this? To talk about our services.
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So the Carpinteria Health Center is one of five federally qualified health centers that make up the County of Santa Barbara Health. County Health also operates a clinic out of the Good Samaritan Shelter in north portion of the county and La Posada Clinic in the south. At our clinic, we provide primary care. Dr. Tomas Wee and Dr. Jacqueline Kucharski provide comprehensive outpatient care for adults of all ages.
They work with ancillary staff community partners and specialty care providers to improve health outcomes and manage chronic health issues. Working closely and consistently with patients improves the health and well-being of the individual as well as the entire community. Dr. Cara Garcia, you will hear from momentarily, and Dr. Leana Napolis provide pediatric care for Carpinteria's youngest residents From sore throats and coughs to broken bones and sprains, comprehensive well child checks. Our pediatricians utilize the most up-to-date comprehensive testing and vaccine scheduling to ensure our children remain on track to grow up healthy and happy.
Women's Health is also a service that we provide in our clinic. Our OBGYN nurse practitioner, Lisa Jacobson has been a well-known and trusted name in her field in Santa Barbara County for decades. We are very fortunate to have her one day a week here at our Carpinteria Clinic and our patients are very fortunate to have her here in Carpinteria as well. If you don't know her chances are Your mother, or your sister, or your aunt, or wife.
Somebody very well might. Behavioral health as well, Dr. Alspeth Mills and Dr. Matthew Metcalfe are Carpinteria's behavioral health specialists. Mental health is so important to our patients' wellbeing. Life can be extremely challenging and often patients overlook their mental health for a variety of reasons. Our mental health professionals understand and are always ready to meet patients where they are.
We've recently partnered with a psychiatric telehealth services one day a week for our patients who need treatment for mild to moderate psychiatric diagnoses. Of course, none of our providers function in a vacuum. Carpinteria Health Care Center has a team of support staff second to none. From our front office staff Sandra, Patty, Denisha, Melissa, to our medical assistants Lisa, Linda, Erica, Stephanie and Griselda from our electronic health records specialist Alvaro, to our leadership team Jeanette and Moses We're more of a family than a health care team.
And our family at Carpinteria Health Center is here to help generations of Carpinteria families through every stage of life's journey, to attain and improve their health and happiness. I'm going to pass this over to Dr. Garcia.
Thanks, Jeff. So I'm Kara Garcia. I'm a pediatrician and the chief physician at our health center and I've been in the clinic for about six years. I've been a pediatrician for almost 20 years and it's just a really special place to work so But we can't do what we do without a lot of our community partners and we do a lot of things that I haven't been able to do in other jobs that I've had. So, I'm really proud to work at the clinic from like working with Eric who provided us with new books in Spanish and English to give to our patients I work with the school and the counselors to help the kids.
And we work really closely also with CARP Children's Project. You know, I get to say that we provide mental health care like comprehensive reproductive healthcare lactation support to our patients And then we also screen for ACEs or adverse childhood events with all of our pediatric patients, their parents. And we're screening now pregnant moms to try to help just sort of the passage of generational trauma and just provide support to our patients. And we couldn't do it without CARP Children's Project through the partnership with their... They work with Cottage's Pediatric Resiliency Collaborative And screening for adverse childhood events can be real weighty for providers, but if we know we have someone to refer them to through CARP Children's Project it makes it so much easier.
So working in this community is just terrific. It's small enough that I can sort of talk to everybody I need and we really like being a part of helping the community. Thanks a lot.
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We hit everything. One thing that we'll mention before we go is that HRSA or the Health Resources and Services Administration is one of our governing bodies, and just at the end of 2025, we had our audit which happens every three years where they take a deep dive into our services and how we're performing our services. It's a three-day visit with about five auditors, I'd like to open it up to the Council for any questions. Well, I just want to say it's nice to see you guys again. I was very appreciative of the tour that I was able to get maybe last month or so
And I appreciate you coming out here. I had wanted to see if I could help facilitate this because I think like you're saying it's so important for the community to know about you as a resource You're right, I think it's something people see but they don't really know is if that's a place they can go or if it's a place that That is going to give them guidance if they have to, or if they only can go under certain circumstances. So thank you for explaining more about what you do here and just for reaching out to us on council and inviting us into your clinic to see what it's all about. I think it was a really eye-opening and positive experience for me so thank you.
Yeah, thank you. The clinic is such a... It's small but very important part of our community, the services you provide. I was a patient there once and I had incredible services and really, really nice appreciative compassionate people. Thank you for what you do.
Thank you. And thank you for your presentation. I'd like to open up public comment on the presentation. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers. Okay
I will close public comment. We will now move on to Public Information Reports and Announcements and we will first hear from our Sheriff's Department. Welcome Chief!
Good evening, Madam Mayor, council members, city staff and members of the community of Carpinteria. I've highlighted a few cases for you this month at Alisau School deputies responded for a report of a man on the railroad tracks behind the school with a handgun lockdown protocol was initiated however within 10 minutes deputy deputies located a subject who is actually carrying an umbrella in a cell phone not a firearm so the lockdown was released On the 4800 block of Carpinteria, we had a ground theft where the victim reported that his Cadillac Converter was taken from his Toyota Prius. No suspect information. That was the only report we had of a Cadillac Converter this month so it doesn't seem like it was the rash usually we get about five or six of these but we only have one.
In the 4400 block of Carpinteria Avenue, a suspect was reported to expose himself on a public sidewalk in the view of several people. They actually recorded it on video. The reporting party agreed to sign a private citizen's arrest Deputies contacted suspect nearby and as he was partially exposed at this time, deputies attempted to detain him. And the suspect refused commands pulled away and kicked his legs against the patrol vehicle before being handcuffed.
A search of this person revealed a metal knife concealed in his waistband that met the definition of a concealed dirker dagger. During the investigation, while they were still on scene an adult female and two juveniles came up and reported that the suspect also exposed himself to them and followed them causing them to be feared for their safety. The suspect was confirmed to be on probation as subsequently arrested for indecent exposure resisting arrest and possession of a weapon.
At the UPS store, the manager of the UPS store called to report a package exploded. A large amount of some kind of white powder went throughout the air. Deputies arrived on scene determined there were no injuries and the building was not on fire. A perimeter was established around the store Neighboring businesses were evacuated, but the bomb squad was notified.
The bomb squad did come out, deputies were on scene and came out and they made entry into the store and determined that a 20 pound fire extinguisher being shipped had exploded. But they took all the necessary precaution getting everybody out of the store separating them from anybody else just in case it was some contaminant. And then we had a report, a complaint received regarding subjects unlawfully selling hot food on the sidewalk near El Caro Lane and Linden Avenue.
Two subjects were found operating a hot kitchen on the south sidewalk of the El Caro Lane. Both were cited for not having the proper permits and they packed their belongings and left the area. And I've dealt with the public health on this and any pop-up tent you see where they're like the tents with tacos or whatnot, those are all illegal. Not, I'm not talking about food trucks but I'm talking about hot food that has popped up on the sidewalks or whatnot. Those were all against the law just for your information And then some community outreach we had, we had Deputy Daniel Skull was awarded the Carpinteria Public Safety Officer of the Year Award by The Lions Club for many great cases he was involved with this year. And we did have multiple Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office personnel attend the award ceremony.
And then for your chief's message, of course 911 in case of emergency non-emergency please call the non-emergency dispatch number 805-683-2724. I wanted to talk about shoplifters and citizens arrest today. Deputies cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor not committed in their presence. I know we discussed this before There are certain exceptions like a domestic violence, restraining order violation, DUI, elder abuse and a couple others.
But when a person or a business especially a business is a victim and they don't want to sign the citizen's arrest form then oftentimes that perpetrator is often released from the scene and Victimizing maybe another store or another person. So just remember that a lot of times because what we find is we go out to a business and all we just want them out here, we don't wanna do nothing. That's your right to do but just know that when you let them go then oftentimes they're going somewhere else and maybe shoplifting from another store 20-30 minutes down the road.
Recently we had a shoplifter contacted where the business initially wanted nothing done. We contacted the suspect who was on probation under the influence of methamphetamine and in possession of a methamphetamine pipe, and he's subsequently arrested. Deputies went back to the business to speak with them, and then they ultimately said we do want to press charges because this same individual was here last week stealing things So we thought about it, we do want to press charges. I wanna make you aware of that sometimes in this case we were able to do something because we had other stuff. We were there rightfully so and when there was other things that popped up but a lot of times maybe something might not pop up where he's not UIMF or at least maybe the investigation doesn't lead us there without a citizen's arrest that kind of limits what we can do.
And then a touch again just on e-bikes. This last month deputies towed three illegal e-bikes, motorcycles which were on public roadways. Some of the parents were upset because of the cost of the e-bike and the cost of the tow fee. I think if you get it towed one day, you could be looking at $700 or $800. And actually it's going to be a two-day tow on that. So if you have an e-bike, it's minimum of two day tow for the motorcycles, the straight illegal ones and it could be... You may not get it back. It depends on what section they tow it for. So I'll remind everybody please do your homework before purchasing your kids or whoever you're buying the e-bike for and make sure you let them know Those are not, you can't ride those on a public roadway and they will be towed and it's going to cost a lot of money if you get it back.
And that's the end of report.
Any questions? Okay no questions thank you for your report I will open up public comment and looks like we do have a speaker slip coming Rogelio Delgado welcome
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Thank you, Rogelio Delgado, Carpinteria resident. First of all I would like to thank the sheriff for always responding to a 911 call within two or three minutes to send deputies and ambulance fire truck. And this has...I've been here in the state since 1968 and up to today that's how I've always been the sheriff's responder. within two or three minutes. Now, what's the protocol for a 911 call?
That dispatcher takes the call. Who decides how many deputies respond? The dispatcher or the deputies who are listening to the call? Now on routine traffic stops, we have seen more than one deputy responding. We have seen more than one deputy talking to a homeless person. I think that's the meaning of to protect and to serve. That's the way to protect people and the way to protect sheriff's deputies as well.
That's my opinion. Thank you, Police Chief Crick.
Thank you for your comment. I do not have any other speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.
I will close public comment. Thank you. We will now hear from, oh yes?
Chief if you wouldn't mind I do have a couple questions for you. First question has to do with the potential I would say kidnapping cases that we've seen people missing things like that. Do you report those or do we get any report incidences of that happening in our community?
The other question had
to do with the body that was found. I don't know if I know you don't want to give any issues or points, details of the case itself. But would you consider the area itself still being safe? Secured? Or is there any issues that we should
be worried about? Yeah, I would say there was a deceased body found in the area and there's no sense of any danger. So, I wouldn't worry about that. Great! That was it. Thank
You. We will now hear from our First District Supervisor's Office. Welcome Daisy.
Good evening Mayor Alarcon and Council. Nice to see you I'm out of the order, I usually come on the fourth Monday so it's nice to see you all on the second one. Okay so some updates on housing in the unincorporated area Van Wingerden 1 & 2 still no project application submitted. The Cravens Lane project there there's no update the applicant is still addressing feedback that they've received from planners.
The Baylord project, we had a joint meeting that was held on March 26th with teams from the city, Carp Summerlin Fire, the county, the applicant Redtail and the discussion was continuing these in progress evacuation studies that the fire department had given Some guidance on some proposed changes to Baylor Avenue and some proposed changes to Pandanus. I think most importantly, the applicant met with the Casitas Villages HOA, some of the board members not the whole HOA and the HOAs attorney they also met on March 26th to discuss the applicants proposals, proposed changes to Pandanus Alley.
That will be a continuation of conversations The next steps are the applicant is going to continue to meet with city and fire to address A lot of the ingress egress points go over the evacuation study once that comes back And continue to have discussions about utilities and emergency access with the city So these are all preliminary steps to apply for the applicant to apply for coastal development permits and encroachment permits that they're going to have to get from the city.
So, the city is really involved here I know there's been a lot of discussion over what what the city's involvement is in this since it's being built on the county but because so much has to happen on the city's streets and in the city utilities the city is the one that will be Um, asked to provide coastal development permits and encroachment permits. Um, and that sort of thing.
Uh, the builder's remedy application remains open. And I had somebody recently ask if CEQA was necessary The answer to that is it depends on which application the applicant moves forward with. So if they move forward with the Builders Remedy application, CEQA would be required and if they move forward with an application without Builders Remedy so via the ReZones that just happened with the Coastal Commission, then CEQA would not necessarily be required.
So we still don't know which application will be moving forward and they currently have both in if that makes sense and our county planning development office has been clear that they cannot process two applications so at a certain point the applicants going to have to pick. So that's my update on the unincorporated housing projects. All righty, unless you have some questions now?
Actually, I do have questions. If that's okay or should I wait? Questions ahead. You talked about the permitting process and coastal development plans actually falling on some of the responsibility for review is it going to fall into the shoulders of the city has there been any consideration about any revenue sources for that and also again looking back at the infrastructure maintenance deferred maintenance things like that that's going to occur because of the increased traffic flow these specific building sites
I'm going to defer to the city on that. Do you know anything about the deferred maintenance and the fees that would be incurred by the applicant for any coastal development permits, etc., on the city side?
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Council Member Nemour, through the Mayor. Haven't quite got around to any of those types of conversations as of yet. As you mentioned they haven't even submitted an application yet and so most of this stuff is feedback from the fire department and others so that they can submit an application and then at that point I think more than those items will be discussed
Sounds good. My, my hopes are that we could eventually create dialogue between the city and the county for I would say some of the revenue sources or costs that we are going to incur because of these developments that are having just outside the city property or city limits. And again, I think that's something that we're gonna have to deal with if it doesn't get handled right now it's going to end up falling on the shoulders of the city residents
Yeah, and you mean just generally
speaking. I'm talking yeah everything from the permit process all the way through to maintenance ongoing maintenance once it's or if it's constructed.
Yeah, I can chat with staff city staff and see if that's a possibility in when and who would be involved in kind of opening that dialogue up and I'm sure there's been examples of this I'm thinking probably in Goleta so um I'll see what we can do about just generally speaking How to navigate that.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm and I'll just interject Well, I'll look to city staff just to ensure that is Councilmember Nomura's request If he'll keep us up today when those opportunities become available
Yes, ma'am. Sorry we were just discussing the various ways that might even occur so there's a development impact fees which is one way which is that one-time payment that I believe is going to be kept by the county although I guess that's to be discussed. There's other things that come as conditions of approval for a project and so if there's gonna be There's a for example, there's a street light that ends up being required. That kind of stuff there the developer would have to pay for all that to be done as part of a condition of approval.
And then separately for ongoing maintenance and things, that's probably where there's a bit more of a question mark in conversations to happen with the county. But yes definitely we'll keep the council updated when we get to that point.
Okay, moving forward. A lot's going on when it comes to cannabis so I wanted to share a brief update on the county's recent actions and where we are. So as you know about a year ago the board required operators who'd not yet installed multi-carbon technology or what we call scrubbers to be in by March 31st 2026 So under that updated code, operators who were denied extensions past that 31st and then failed to comply by the 31st deadline are now subject to their cannabis business license revocation or flat-out denial of their business license. So, county staff conducted site visits on April 1st and 2nd to verify whether the required equipment had been installed and was operational.
Following those inspections the Cannabis Licensing Team coordinated with Planning & Development to issue revocation letters to The offending operators and those were anticipated to go out on April 3rd, and I believe they did. And there were nine operators that received revocation or denial letters. So those operators have a right to appeal, so the process now would be of those nine operators they have ten days after the receipt of the letter to request an appeal that appeal hearing has to be held within 60 days of that request and And the administration hearing officer has 30 days to issue a determination. So we're looking at about three months, I guess if everything was an extended timeline. If the revocation is upheld Then, the operator must discontinue operating unless and until a new license is obtained.
So that would be effective. So as of today we don't know who's filed for appeals but I should know by the next update and I can also keep you guys updated as we know For added context, county staff has advised that other cannabis operators in the Valley who are not listed do not have odor technology. Excuse me, they have their odor technology in and it's operating so we'll continue to follow it closely. We'll continue to update you. We know that it is still There's a lot of odors in the valley. We get calls about this a lot, so this is a big step forward in the right direction and we're really grateful for everyone's patience as we keep working on this and we will keep working on it until there is a solution.
Okie dokie. The next update is, I just wanted to remind you that budget workshops are happening currently at the county level so folks can tune in on YouTube or the county website And public comment is also going on. The way that the budget hearings are set up is they're happening Monday, Wednesday, Friday and there's groupings of departments so there's 23 departments in the county And they're being kind of grouped by services. So today we heard from Health and Human Services Departments today, and we also heard from Community Resources and Public Facilities Wednesday. We're going to hear from Public Safety. So that'll be the DA, probation, public defender, fire, sheriff. That's one group that we're going to be hearing from government general government and support services so treasurer tax Department, HR, IT, General Services, Auditor-Controller those kind of folks.
As well I think that's it and then Friday we're hearing about special issues so the pension fund and the jail expansion So I anticipate Friday to be a half day today they really went from 9 until They started at 530 and they were still going so I would say tune in on YouTube and make public comments It's fascinating to see where the budget cuts are being proposed. And as I mentioned last week, they're mostly being proposed in the Health and Human Services Department, excuse me. Health and Social Services Departments because of the impacts from the federal H.R. 1 bill.
So the county is trying to do their best to retain vital services so but it is interesting. Okidoki. Moving on, a couple updates for you. At the last Board of Supervisors meeting on the 7th of April, the board provided direction for establishing a Santa Barbara County Film Commissioner. This is something that the county had in partnership before with Visit Santa Barbara and for various reasons budget cuts mostly, that commission was shut down I want to say in the mid-2010s. So our office has proposed bringing a version of that back and collaborating with cities to see how we can bring more economic development Cities to the county By bringing in more production, so I'm happy to provide more details on the report that we gave But our presentation was to get direction from the board to bring back a more robust plan So we will be bringing that forward in June.
It is a tight budget year So it's hard to ask for a budget for a film commissioner but we are gonna try and hopefully It's an all ships rise situation. So, we'll be reaching out to Manager Ramirez to see how Carpinteria feels about it. We've gotten some early interest from Buellton and Santa Barbara City so we are excited to see what we can do collectively.
The last thing I want to mention is that the county has released free pre-approved ADUs for use in the unincorporated area. This is old news to Carpinteria, you guys have been doing this for a while but it's very exciting for the county. So these detached ADUs comply with county building codes and basic zoning standards They come in five different sizes. They come in a bunch of different styles and these ADUs are really meant, these pre-approved ADUs are still subject to zoning standards and especially in the coastal zone and they'll require site specific site plans etc., etc. But the idea is that it really brings down the permit fees. It speeds up the process It's something we've heard a lot about how frustrating it is for people to just add an ADU into their backyard, so hopefully this route will make it a little bit easier for folks.
So anybody interested they can visit the county's ADU website and they can contact the South Coast Permit Resource Center at 805-568-3030 or P-A-D build at countyofsb.org, and staff are available to assist property owners with questions, feasibility, walk them through what the process looks like. So we're just trying to be as cool as you guys. All righty, those are all my updates.
I do have a question. This is regarding the film commission that you're planning on bringing forward, even though it sounds great, I would like to see if in fact you can give us some information, the benefits, the potential revenue sources of that one but also more importantly the liabilities exemptions permits things like that which may affect day-to-day living here in Carpinteria
Yeah, there's a lot to work through in terms of the costs associated with it. So that's something that we'll be bringing forward in June and fire and all that stuff. There's also by the way a lot of places you cannot film in Santa Barbara County. There's a lof private roads. There's a lot of beaches that are owned by the state, stuff like that so yes, there's a lotta impacts that have to be considered.
Any other questions from the council?
No
questions, thank you.
Thank you and I would like to say just as a citizen quick shout out to the library It is the best library and I did just recently Join as a friend of the library and it's incredibly easy to do online So if anybody has some spare pocket change and they want to be part of a cool membership, I can't recommend it enough
Thank you I'd like to open up public comment on the first district supervisor's report. I do not have any speaker slips. Oh, yes. Come on up, Fred.
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Quick question, Daisy and that is the nine cannabis producers that are currently losing their license or potentially losing their license, are they allowed to continue production while they're waiting for the appeal to go through?
Let me go through public comment first and then I'll have you come back up. Do we have any other speakers in the room? Okay, do we have anyone on line?
We do Mayor, we have two Zoom speakers our first one is Betty Jeppesen. Betty, go ahead.
Good evening mayor and council members my name is Betty Jeppesen I would like to speak to item 6 1 C the Baylor issue I am, I was at the 26th of March meeting as a board member of the Quesositas Village HOA Board. And I wanted to make a correction that there were in fact no representatives from Carpinteria or Summerland Fire. Fire Chief Lamonaco was supposed to be there but he was called away so he was not present. There were no members of the City of Carpinteria present only the proposed developer and their staff Daisy Weber and Wade Cowper of Supervisor Roy Lee's office And the Casitas Village Board President Kyle Kimberlin, myself from the Casitas Village HOA board and our attorney Robert Gibson. We would appreciate very much having representatives from the fire department Present for any future meetings and also members from the city at future meetings.
What is listed in the report as Pandanus Alley is really not Pandanus Alley, it is the driveway for all the residents on Birch Street and Casitas Village. This is private property that belongs to Casitas Village HOA and is the only way for Birch residents to enter and exit from their homes. If anything, it should be called Birch Alley but it is not a public street. It is a private driveway and Casitas Village did not propose any changes to that driveway. I just wanted to clarify those things. Thank you very much.
Thank you for your comments.
And Mayor, let's see. Our next, oh my hands gone so that's it for Zoom comment Mayor. Oh it's back. Our next zoom speaker is...
On the Birch Alley and I just wanted to second what Betty just said about it is an alley that people use to get into their garages and into their homes. So there is no other way for them to get in there besides that alley, and it is a private alley, and I want to make that clear, and it would really, really hamper people from getting in and out of there if there were any kind of exit from that other Baylor red tail complex.
It would really make it difficult. So I just wanted to say that. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.
And Mary, that concludes Zoom comment.
I will close public comment and I'll invite Daisy up to answer, have a response for some of those questions.
Yes so the nine operators that have been sent the revocation letter they are allowed to operate until it is officially denied. So that is that. I can read out who they are if that's an interest Blue Whale Agriculture Inc., Bossom 1628 Management Company LLC, Bronco Management LLC, C.K.C. Farms Inc., G&K Produce LLC, G&G Flowers LLC, Life Remedy Farms Inc., New Generation Farms Inc., Pacific Grow Organics LLC.
And I did also want to concur with what Betty said, Ms. Jefferson said that there was no city or fire representative at that meeting. I may not have made that clear but they have indicated it in the future as she mentioned they would like somebody from the city and fire as well
Thank you. Thank you for your presentation.
Daisy, actually can I ask a really quick follow-up question? So this was an HOA meeting is
that what it was? It wasn't the entire HOA it was the Casitas Villages HOA met with the applicant, the Redtail applicant about the alleyway. And was the city invited to go to that? I think we were in touch. It was a bit last minute. Okay,
because I just wanted to understand from city staff if it sounds like this was like you're saying part of the HOA group about this very specific issue and I Wanted to see if there was something that staff had even been invited to
I believe staff was invited. I do believe it was a bit last minute and as Miss Jefferson said, Fire Marshal Lamonaco was supposed to be there and got called off a bit last minute so he was not able to make it. From my understanding, a preliminary meeting. I don't think that the HOA folks had met with the applicant in many years so it was to give an updated presentation on what they were proposing. So similar to the things that the city has already seen. In fact, that meeting was Two hours after the meeting with the city. So The And and like Miss Jefferson said it was a meeting between A couple members of the HOA board, the president, the HOAs lawyer Their general manager and then myself and our chief of staff was there as well and I believe that the There will be follow-up meetings and we're I'm happy to help coordinate with the HOA as well to make sure that they get however much information they want and to the whole village, to all the property owners.
And I think I've made that clear to them as well. And if the city would like to be present we'll make sure there's at least an invite. Great thank you.
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Okay, so we will move on to the next item on our agenda which is a temporary adjournment for the purpose of holding the monthly meeting of the Carpinteria Library Board of Trustees. And we will start with item number seven which is the Library Board of Trustees Agenda Packet and I'd like to call the meeting to order and request for a roll call please.
Thank you President Alcon. All board members are present and accounted for.
Great. And then confirmation of legal noticing and procedural requirements of meeting?
Yes, all legal noticing and procedural requirements
have
been met.
Excellent I'll move on to item number three so this is public comment This is a time for public comments on matters not otherwise on the agenda but within the subject matter of the Carpinteria Library Board of Trustees only. I do not have any speaker slips Do we have anyone via Zoom?
From there we have no zoom speakers.
I will close public comment and
move on to agenda item number four which is the approval of minutes of the regular meeting held March 9th, 2026.
I move to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held March 9th 2026. Second. Thank you. We have a first and a
second all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed seeing none item passes
We will move on to item number five, which is the Carpinteria Community Library Monthly Report for the month of April 2026.
Mayor, City Council members, city staff, community of Carpinteria, it's my pleasure to present once again my staff report for the library. I would like to highlight or start with the programming, the library programs. Starting with the Santa Barbara City College computer class, the basic computers class are scheduled to end on May 18. We have decided to continue the class for the next step which is going to be Microsoft Excel Fundamentals bilingual class With the registration currently open through the Santa Barbara City College system for summer 2026, the coming session will run from 10 weeks beginning June 1st.
And the idea is to give the opportunity of the original group to continue and grow in computers Especially because we still have full attendance, we don't see the necessity to start again and try with another group as today. On March 10, we had our Wild Thing Stop Santa Barbara Wildlife Care Network present on their services and educate people who are attendees about the wildlife and the issues that they are having in the central coast.
Our next presentation will take place on April 22nd at 5 p.m. at the Veterans Hall and we'll focus on the Vandenberg mission including space launch operations and sonic booms so everybody is invite, ask questions concerns be curious about what is going on about these sonic booms Colonel from the mission is coming and I speak directly to everyone. He is comfortable answering any question or concerns, so I invite everybody to attend this meeting.
Our book club, James, is still having very successful meetings. We started very small like four or five people right now we are around 13 or 14 people attending the book club our next meeting is going to be on April 20th Our team advisory board, I'm very proud to as I mentioned before that they designed by themselves a program. It is geometry game competition.
They just start registering and attending. They create the rules, they create the social media, and they already sent me a message telling me what are the three winners of the competition. So we are expecting to have more ideas for this group, sharing with everybody and invite every teenager in Carpinteria to participate. It's very important to know that the games that we are providing are E-rate, so everyone is able to play with these games.
They are especially designed for cognitive development, so we take care of not having violence or things related to war or things related that could impact negatively. Our movie night on March 27, we present Hugo based on the Brian Selig book The Invention of Hugo Cabret. And we are going to have our next movie night on April 24 at 6 p.m., and we are going to feature The Wild Robot so everybody is invited.
I would like to highlight that we also have ongoing programs and please visit our website to see what other programs we have. For example, our English conversation group, our pre-school story time, our Carpinteria Writers' Group meetings, our songwriters workshop, Babies are the Best, the homeschool history class, the Carpinteria Knitters' Group They mentioned Caregiver Support Group, the Carpinteria Beer Watchers group, D&D Playtime and Friday Fan Sessions. Again please visit our website because we have a lot of things to offer to everyone.
In regards of partnerships and grants, the Carpinteria Community Library was selected as one of the five libraries nationwide for the American Library Association Reforma Dia de los Niños grant. This is not a grant that gives us too much money, but it's very competitive because they choose just five libraries in the whole country. The reason I apply is because I would like to be competitive and see if we are in the trends of librarianship and how we are doing. Every time that we win a grant is something that let us know that we are going to the right direction.
So, the Reforma Dia de los Ninos grant is going to give us the opportunity to present a community engagement related to books and celebration of reading especially from the Latino community. And it's gonna be on April 25th from 10 am to 3 pm and it's gonna be an art related to art Also, the Carpinteria Community Library has been awarded with an Empowering Access Project Grant which consists of a spectrum light lab table and it's going to be for the library children section. It is valued at $2,400.
So it's something else that we got to the library. We are able to buy this table, but it is better if we get it from institutions that support the librarianship and also are very well established in the country. In regards of the staff updates, I would like to say that a part-time literacy coordinator hiring process we are in the last steps. We have identified a person and we are going to be ready to offer a job offer pretty soon. That's it for me if you have any questions.
Questions?
It sounds like the grants that you got, those are some really good funding opportunities. Are they grants that you guys have applied for before or are these new grant opportunities? You're such a small staff and yet it sounds like you're getting more grant funding lately which is really impressive.
Yes, actually there are several grants opportunities. They are very competitive. There are thousands of public libraries in the country and thousands of them apply. For example we are in the midst of getting the literacy grant from the California State Library I'm able to say that we are receiving this grant because the state budget has to be approved by July. So after the state budget is approved, we are going to get the news about this big grant. It's going to be a grant for around $25,000 just for the literacy program.
We have worked a lot in this application. We have been presented budgets and I'm actually able to say that we are invited myself and the Literacy Coordinator to San Diego to spend a couple of days with other library directors who received these grants from the California State Library And that's an indication that we are in a very good position to receive the grant.
We are going to be there in June.
That's great, no thank you for sharing that and thank you for applying being so tenacious with these grants.
Thank you.
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A real quick question if you wouldn't mind, Dia de los Niños some people may not know what that is so if you wouldn't mind explaining that and the significance of that within the community?
Sure, Dia de los Niños started in Mexico. It's a Mexican celebration that then moved to Central America too. The celebration is to encourage people and also parents to teach their children in reading and enjoy the books because it's called Dia de los Niños, Dia de los Libros so a day of the children, a day of the books The idea is surrounding that we also celebrate the culture, the importance of start reading because that's going to be positively impacting the future of a child. A child who reads around 5,000 books by the age of five years old.
Research has demonstrated that these children have better opportunities in the future. Better economic opportunities, better educational opportunities better communication, and it's very good and is proving that idea of the Dia de los Niños because as we know public libraries were funded not having in mind everybody. So this is a opportunity to include everybody else or every other kind of groups
Yeah, great. Thank you for that one. Just as informational, the Asian culture has had that for 2-3 thousand years, maybe more. But it's similar. It's called Children's Day. We have Boys' Day, Girls' Day also but it's interesting because the premise of the day, Children's Day actually used to pass on legends and stories from the past so it sounds very similar.
Thank you. Thanks.
Additional questions? I have more of a comment. I'm really happy to see that Vandenberg will be doing a workshop here in Carpinteria. I think that the sonic booms have just continued in frequency and not too long ago, I mistook an earthquake for a sonic boom. And so I'm happy that they're going to be here in our community because I think we have... The community probably has a lot to say and to share and to learn as well.
Yeah, they offer to be here in Carpinteria and we took the advantage that we have these wild thing talks. And this is kind of wild. So on we are partnering to present this conversation. Right? I'm just gonna be in the again it's going to be in the Veterans Hall on let's see on April 22nd at 5pm
Great, thank
you.
If we don't have any other questions I will open up public comment for the library monthly report and I do have a speaker slip for Fred Shaw oh not yet no item number seven okay just kidding do we have any other members who would like to make public comment seeing none do we have anyone via zoom
there we have no zoom speakers
yeah we'll close public comment And bring it back to the council for a motion.
I move to receive and file the Carpinteria Community Library report. Second.
We have a first and second, all those in favor? Aye. We will now
move on to item number six which is new business and discussion. Seeing no items
we will move on to item number seven which is the adjournment of the Carpinteria Library Board of Trustees. And we will now reconvene the regular meeting of the City Council And we will move on to the City Manager's report.
Thank you, Mayor. I think I'm going to have to take Eric from being our librarian and put him in charge of pavement grant writing. All our roads will be paved by next year Well, so council community members just a little bit from our city manager's report. As always just letting everyone know that we don't touch on every item in detail encourage people to read this entire report there's also helpful links there and this report is only meant for short updates and if there's any item that piques the council's Assistant City Manager Ryan Kentz City Employee Update
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Thank you city manager. Good evening mayor, council members. Um, so yeah, just some updates on some of our recruitments. Um, and I'd just like to emphasize that these are replacing full time positions. We're not adding any new positions. We haven't added any new positions in several years. So just for clarity on that, um, we completed the accounting specialist, the accounting technician interview process and we made a selection or really excited to bring this new person on board.
That is pending background, so at our next council meeting we'll be able to announce that position and we'll bring the individual to the council for introduction. Also, we have the Beach Lifeguard position is still open until April 30th. So we're currently accepting applications for that. We also did recruitments for the library technician positions. That's the literacy coordinator.
We did make a final selection on that and so we're gonna be pending backgrounds and stuff. We should be announcing that soon. So I know Eric is really excited about that position. We also have several lifeguard program coordinator positions open. Those are, sorry they're closed and we're now going through interviews for those positions in getting ready for the summer. Same with the pool lifeguard. We do have a position there open until April 30th.
And then finally, Maintenance Worker 1. That is a full-time position. Again it's replacing a position that left. It's not a new position and we're going to be interviewing pending screening of applications. We got a lot of applicants for that one so really excited. Got a lot of interest. And then the Carpinteria aquatics team is currently training 14 beach lifeguard rookies with sessions running from mid April through mid May, and this is a big increase from last summer's five rookies so an addition of nine rookies there.
So this will greatly enhance beach staffing for the upcoming season. And at the pool, we have 11 pool lifeguard rookies are also in training with their final session scheduled for April 12th. Happy to answer any questions.
Thank you Ryan. Now I'm going to bring up our Community Development Director Nick Bobroff to give us some updates on development applications.
Thank you, Michael. Good evening Mayor Alarcon and council members. I've got just a couple of housing-related updates for you on a couple of our larger housing projects. Maybe just to start out, I was going to mention that city staff has created a new page on the City's Housing webpage related to frequently asked questions relating to housing laws The intention of this is to provide the public with an introductory understanding to the city's regional housing needs assessment allocation, our certified housing element and key statewide housing laws. And how these different requirements and laws sort of intersect and relate to one another.
The FAQ responses provide an introductory explanation of the various laws And then there's also links embedded in the answers to where a reader can go and do a deeper dive into the actual details and background of each of those laws. And probably the easiest way for folks to get there is from the city homepage, scroll down to the bottom under hot topics click on the housing button And then down on the left-hand side, you'll see there's a new section here, Housing Law FAQs.
Click on that and it will pull up the FAQs that we've developed so far. If you click on the little button next to each question, you'll get a more detailed response with various links Yet more detail, so this will be kind of a living breathing web page. We'll continue to update it as new issues crop up or if we're getting Repeat questions from the community relating to housing laws But we thought this was a way to kind of build on some of the other educational work that we do such as the annual report on the housing element or the annual update to your council and the Planning Commission and ARB on changes to state housing laws And again, this is an effort to kind of help better educate the community about some of these housing laws that apply to the city and how those will relate to development projects that come before your decision-making bodies.
5885 Carpinteria Avenue Residential Project The intent of the open house was for the development team to share information about the proposed project with the community and for the applicant team to solicit feedback from the community on what they might like to see there. I understand it was a well-attended event, we had a couple folks from city staff there and I understand some of the council was there as well. I think Michael might have a couple impressions to share and we'd be welcome or Be interested to hear what the council thought too if any of your council members happen to attend
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Yes, thank you Nick so I thought it was pretty well attended there was It was a small space and there were people coming and going and so I guess it's can debate these numbers But I said maybe between 100 and 150 I'll let you all decide. I know some of you were there on maybe maybe they're more or less and There were workstations there, and so they did begin the meeting with a single presentation to the entire group about the meeting. And then after that people broke up into stations where they were able to go and talk to People Self Help Housing about the affordable component and so forth, they had a comment section up on the stage where people could go up and give their input.
There was also Citizens for the Blessed was very active in being there and they had a large contingent of folks there amongst just general people but it all I think went relatively smooth and they were able to give their feedback about the project and looking forward to receiving that synthesized comments from the developers so that we can share them with your council.
And then again, I know that several of you were there and likely have comments of your own. And you can check me on my 100-150 on what you feel about that.
Follow-up, any updates? No. I feel like there were probably more than 100 and 150. It was so the space was so small and it seemed like there are people coming in going but yeah it was definitely a good crowd that attended so that was great to see
I will add that I know that there was discussion about the trade-offs with sort of the focus of the meeting, you know if The community would like to see if they if there were a project to be there. Would they like to see more? Ownership product or rental product what they'd like to see More open space if so would it be activated recreation or would it be more natural or would it connect to Existing trails with the affordable be on site or off site.
Would it be all together, which is I know I think people self help is use that model to manage or would it be dispersed throughout the community and those sorts of things? You know, unfortunately I think they talked a lot about those tradeoffs at the beginning of the meeting. So I think there's probably a number of people who might have showed up after that initial speech was given and maybe not got the full introduction on on the various trade-offs. I know that because I was having conversations about them and people were saying, oh okay wait what can we talk about? And I know some several people after I spoke with them went up and added to their comment sections but you know overall again thought it went relatively well and looking forward to getting hearing back from what they received
Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that because I attended after so I didn't receive that speech component. So I can imagine a lot of people other people did it as well But I do have a question Do we expect to receive the comments or how can the council? Receive the comments from that meeting or would the developers do they even intend to pass along that information?
Mayor Ellercott, based on the conversations we've had with the applicant team we do expect that we will receive some form of the comments from the applicant team. I'm not sure if we're going to just get you know copies of each written statement or if we're gonna get some kind of summary that hasn't really been Fully nailed down, but I do expect we will see some kind of at least synthesis of What feedback was received at the meeting?
Great. Thank you And I just want to reiterate to the public that that was not a city hosted event That was hosted by the developers as an open house With the community,
that's correct And then finally, I just wanted to provide a brief update on the 5-115 Ogun Road residential project. This is the builder's remedy project that's proposed on the Frontier Communications property back in late February on the 24th. The applicant group for that project Carpinteria Group LLC filed litigation against the City of Carpinteria and Santa Barbara Superior Court Alleging violations of state housing laws non-compliance with the Public Records Act requirements and deficiencies in the city's housing element.
In response to the pending litigation, the City released a statement explaining that it believes it has complied with all applicable laws related to this project and that the lawsuit is without merit as it misstates the law and the facts. I don't anticipate that we'll be updating our website on the litigation as its pending but You know, I do think once there is resolution to the litigation that we would update the website with that sort of information If folks are interested in trying to follow along With the lawsuit they can look at the public filings that are posted on the County Superior Court website
And I just want to confirm that this is in relation to the 18 story proposed project.
That's correct
Thank you
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If there's no more questions on that, I'd like to bring up our Parks and Recreation and Community Services Director Jeanette Gantt just to give you a couple updates on those types of projects and programs.
Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council. A few updates from Parks, Recreation & Community Services for you this evening. First off the Junior Lifeguard Program registration opened and is going very well. We have 170 enrollments in Session 1 with 24 participants registered for Session 1 after camp. We have 139 enrollments in session two with 16 participants registered for after camp. What's the most exciting to me, at least about this registration is that we have 217 what we would call unique individuals registered for junior lifeguards compared to the 180 that we had last season.
So this leads us to believe that the two-session model has been received well, and we have more total participants overall. And then as of press time of the City Manager's report all of the sessions with the exception of 1B group had openings however I checked this morning and it appears that all sessions in all levels have just a few spots left So to register all participants must have passed the swim test and you can register online at carpentria.recdesk.com forward slash community forward slash program or you can simply call the Carpinteria pool come in person or email carppool at Carpinteriasca.gov and one of our team members will help you out from there The community garden hosted a seed ball making workshop, which was led by our program manager Tori Cutbirth and 15 participants learned how to make California native seed balls and painted rocks to decorate the garden.
The garden will be taking this seed ball making on the road and we'll be tabling at the Arts Center Inaugural Carpinteria Earth Day this coming Saturday April 18th from 12 to 4 p.m And Age Well hosted its first mini kite festival which welcomed 23 guests on Linden Field this, on Saturday April 4th. And all are welcome to join Age Well on Thursday April 16 from 1 to 2 p.m in the Veterans Memorial meeting room for our lecture series And this week's topic will be led by Omar Flores, the owner of Carp Physio. And Omar will share practical strategies for caring for your joints, maintaining mobility and reducing everyday aches and pains to help participants stay active and healthy. And that's all I have for you this evening. Happy to answer any questions.
I just have a question. Well one, I'm really happy to see those numbers for junior lifeguards it's one of our most popular programs which is nice to see and I'm just curious if the council can receive an invite if there's either like the opening day of junior guards or if there's more of an appropriate time if they have competitions from what I've gathered for the council to attend and just participate in celebrate their hard work
Yes, Mayor Alicante. Absolutely I'd be happy to send you all some key dates which could be the first day of each session but also the CarpComp is kind of really the gem so it's a competition that we host here and I can tell you when I first saw it two summers ago now I was just absolutely floored by all that our staff do and put on to host so many people on our beach facilitating the competitions, coordinating with our fire department to have their crews out in the water. It's definitely a site to see if you guys are available I will email you all those dates no problem
thank you
Thank you, Jeanette. Seven, federal appropriation process. The $2 million community project funding request will now move on to the Subcommittee on Transportation, Housing and Urban Development for further review. The selection of the project by Congressman Carvajal is an important step in a highly competitive process and reflects the strength of the project and its regional benefit that was put together for us by our partners SBCAG and if the monies were received it would be simply for the design phase of the project Also, this just past Friday our city participated in the annual State of the City event that's hosted by the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce. Attendees included our Mayor, our Vice-Mayor, our Administrative Services Director Lissette Maldonado, our Public Works Director John Olason and our Emergency Management Communications Program Manager Julissa Briones, Assistant City Manager Ryan Kentz and myself Mayor delivered some wonderful remarks about key accomplishments and priorities.
We also had a wonderful video put on by TVSB, who's here making sure this also gets aired. That video people want to see is available on the City's YouTube channel. Simply Google our city in YouTube and I'm sure that video will pop up. And then I also participated in a panel discussion along with the city manager from Goleta and city administrator from Santa Barbara just about general issues going on in the region. And so it was another successful event, and that is all for me. Happy to answer any questions.
Not a question, just a comment but having attended the State of the Cities I can attest to the fact that our mayor did a great job and our city manager did a really great job too. You were talking about some complicated financial issues and I thought out of the three city managers that you did the best by far so thank you for being there.
Thank you.
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Any other questions? No questions thank you we will now open up public comment and I have a speaker slip for Susan Allen
Good evening, Susan Allen. I understand that there have been no new positions added to city staff but i'm wondering about a position that seems to have disappeared and that's the third member of code enforcement. Code enforcement is really a face of the community. That's who you see out. You see other people out but that's who a lot of people interface with And that third position has just seemed to have disappeared and right now you're expecting two people to cover nine to five, seven days a week. That's a really big ask for just two people. And regarding Thursday evening, I can say that citizens for the Carpinteria Bluffs passed out between 125 and 150 no stickers. So we know there were at least 125 people there. Thank you.
I do not have any additional speaker slips for the city manager's report. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.
I will close public comment and
we will move on to the next item in our agenda, which is the Planning Commission actions.
Thank you, Mayor. At the April 6th Planning Commission hearing the commission had one item on their agenda which was a continued hearing from February of the pending Verizon Wireless communications facility application for 912 Linden Avenue which is the building where Sushi Terry and Pacific Health Foods are located Prior to the hearing, we did receive a request from the applicant asking for a continuance of the item. To the June 1st Planning Commission hearing and the planning commission voted unanimously to grant that two-month continuance with the understanding that additional time would allow Verizon to complete their due diligence review of the alternative site that's being considered for the wireless facility at the county owned Veterans Memorial building at 914 Walnut.
And so we will circle back to that item in June and see where Verizon is at, and if they want to move forward with an alternative site or if they will be refocusing their energies on the current pending application there on Linden. The only other item there on last Monday's hearing was the Planning Commission appointed Commissioner Moyer as their chair and Commissioner Benefield as their vice-chair.
And the commission also reappointed Commissioners Benefield and Van Antwerp to the City's General Plan Update Committee. And that concludes my Planning Commission Action Memo, unless you have any questions for me?
No questions, thank you. I will now open up public comment and we have one speaker slip from Rogelio Delgado.
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for general? Okay sorry it looked like a nine that's a G okay do we have anyone via zoom I'm here we have no zoom speakers. I will close public comment and We will now move on to public comment on matters not on the agenda, and we will start with Rogelio Delgado welcome
Thank You Two issues. Number one, that Santa Barbara County is making a $7 million cut on their budget and social services will be impacted all over meaning people benefits will be impacted personnel will be impacted State and federal aid will be impacted. Medical will be impacted, dental benefits will be impacted. The dental program at Taylor Mills will be impacted.
So not only social services jobs will be impacted. I think that it would be a good idea to invite someone from the county to a city council meeting, to advise the community how to prepare for those cuts to inform people the alternatives available. Number two, the builder's remedy is affecting the Carpinteria community. What's the remedy to this? The developers have their remedy.
On the farm, on the 18 story building 20% will be affordable units and that's a clear path for developing this project. That's the way I understand it. There is no way to stop this because taking advantage of these builders' remedy And what about the community? What's a way to stop these developments? Unless I'm mistaken, there is no way to stop this. And at first I thought that these affordable units would help our Carpinteria community, but they're not affordable. Who is going to be living on these units?
Probably people from other places. So what's the remedy to this? Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Next we have Nathan Pratt. Welcome.
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Hello, am I on? Okay. This is just off-the-cuff comment. I heard you talking about the meeting about the farm development. I too was a late arriver to that meeting so I didn't see the presentation they gave but I did speak to the architect for the project, the low income housing component people there and the owner of the land and I would say that if you're counting On the paper comments, I didn't even write one down because I figured these were going to the developer and they would go in a trash can. So if they actually do have the documents, if you could request a Xerox copy of the actual written documents not a summary You want the actual original form notes. If people wrote little notes, I'd recommend that if you could ask for it at least and see if you get it.
And just so you know the architect said he just did a very general plan his concept was he was told that the low-income housing was going to be sprinkled around the development Beyond that, he kind of just did a general layout of a housing track. I talked to the low-income housing people. They said they really didn't quite know anything yet but it was just in conceptual phase which means nothing's happened yet and I talked to the owner about some things.
So that was all. I would just say if you could actually get those notes it'd be interesting to see what people wrote down just to see what the general true number was and you can analyze it for yourself and come up with your own conclusions. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Kathleen Reddington, welcome.
Thank you very much, and it's nice to be here. It always feels familiar and somehow nervous like I used to when I was up there. But anyway, I am here to request that two of the council members move together to investigate the idea of development, new development, especially housing development in our city. Look at the idea of putting underground utilities I recently attended a meeting and a documentary film about, I think it's called, you can help me out here, Wade Lanai in Hawaii that was destroyed.
I spoke to the fire chief and then also the assistant fire chief of Santa Barbara after the meeting, and I said what can we do about this? We have a lot of proposed development coming into our city. And a lot of it is in areas which are fire prone or dangerous to fires. Now we all know names like the Woolsey Altadena, Pasadena. I have friends who've lost homes it happens quick it happens fast and a lot of it happens because of those utility lines in the wind.
I am requesting that the council at least two of you recommend to Development or the Department of Development That we look into an ordinance that requires all new construction Especially that construction. That is a laid-out track or more than one home to How can we say stipulate legislate and I'm going to use this strong word demand That if they're going to build in Carpinteria, put your utilities underground.
We have too many areas and all of California has too many areas but I'd hate to see this wonderful town that now I can announce that I've lived in almost 30 years happily and enjoyed it Go up and smoke, because those underground utilities in a big wind on a dry you know fall evening or summer night or now we're getting them in May and June April. It's there's no they're saying now that as you know I'm sure that the fire season is year round. I'm looking over there for 30 seconds. I want to thank the people at, and that's a very good idea by the way, and I hope you will seriously consider this. I think it's a big deal and I think it's something that will how can I say legislate development in this city if it's going to be here?
Don't cause a fire. Okay, eight seconds. The pool's doing a great job. I hadn't swam there for years and I started swimming again. I love it. Janet, Lexi, everybody who works there is just amazing and also I did attend the farm meeting. I think there were more than 150 I do not have any other speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
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We do have one speaker, Mayor Sandy Ellsworth. Sandy go
ahead. Hi good evening City Council members and Mayor Alarcon my name is Sandy Ellsworth and I'm with the Natural Resources Defense Council and I wanted to share some information about a proposal for a new marine protected area kind of like an underwater park in waters offshore of Carpinteria The proposals being co-sponsored by the Santee Nez Band of Chumash Indians, the Environmental Defense Center and NRDC.
For context just to help understand why this is being considered right now California is Considering changes to its own network of 124 marine protected areas, to improve it for the first time in 10 years. The state has also committed itself to new ocean protections through the 30 by 30 initiative and there are some opportunities to improve the MPA network that's Marine Protected Area Network and expand access to marine protected areas for California residents and visitors, especially in the South Coast region.
This proposal called Mishopshno would conserve habitat essential to kelp bass, rockfish, leopard sharks, octopus, spiny lobster, egrets, harbor seals, et cetera as well as an important aggregation area for juvenile great white sharks It would also fill a 60-mile spacing gap between Campus Point and Point Dume Marine Protected Areas, which would promote network connectivity. What this means is that the older highly fertile female fish would be protected and therefore able to lay exponentially more fish eggs. And it would also advance a tribal co-management approach which would honor the Santa Ynez's deep connection to the area.
We've made significant amendments to the proposal following over, well over I would say 100 meetings within the community. We cut the size of the proposal in half from 18 square miles to nine square miles and we also left open to all fishing about 25% of Carpinteria Reef which is one of the features that the proposal would protect so that portion of the reef would still be fishable. We also to address recreational fishing concerns, we removed the offshore portion of the proposal armpit reef. And then we are proposing to allow fishing from shore using hook and line gear which is still very low impact gear so you'd still get the conservation benefit In terms of conflict with fishers, we just wanted to say as co-sponsors we are strongly supportive of healthy and sustainable California fisheries.
And we anticipate that closing this area to commercial and recreational fishing would have negligible material impact on overall commercial fisheries landings for the Santa Barbara port area. Overall, regional and statewide fishery landings and values have not been negatively impacted by California Marine Protected Areas. And the commercial spiny lobster fishery in the Santa Barbara region has seen significant benefits from marine protected areas.
Finally we believe that this proposal would enhance the quality of life for Carpinteria residents and visitors and help ensure that this very small special Sandy, are you still there? I am.
I was wondering what are the precise boundaries of the new proposed MPA?
Yeah, I can send you a map but the western boundary is directly south of Caspia Lane and then the eastern boundary goes to the Santa Monica Creek at Salt Point. And the shoreline distance is about 3.6 miles.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comment. Do we have anyone else via Zoom?
Good evening Councilmembers and Mayor. My name is Eva Pagling, and I am a community member of the Santina's Band of Chumash Indians, and I'm here tonight just to share a little bit more about the MPA and our cultural connection to the area. And I'm just going to share a couple stories to kind of help draw that historical and cultural tie to Miishapshino itself, the MPA.
Happy to talk more another time if we can share some contact information about all the things that we have going on in our plans for co-management in the area as well but just to again talk about the cultural significance. Our Chumash people all originated from the Channel Islands just 21 miles off the shore Our creation story is actually directly tied to Mishopshino. So for us as Chumash people, when we started to overpopulate the islands, Chumash people prayed to Creator to help us be able to get over to the mainland so that our people can continue to sustain life throughout the coast.
And when Creator heard our prayers he said he would help us get over to the mainland and he would build a rainbow bridge for us And the only rule that he had was for us to not look down while we were crossing that bridge. And as families started crossing over that bridge and making it to the mainland, some folks looked down and they fell into the water. And when they fell into the water, the families that were left standing on the bridge were praying to Creator asking for help and said to please help their family members. And when they got over to the mainland, Creator heard their pleas and He said, you know, I can't bring them back but I will save your people.
Instead of bringing them back, he would turn them into dolphins. And that's part of our connection to the ocean is that our families and our ancestors are in the ocean. And when our people landed over here on the mainland, our landing site was Miishopshino, was this MPA that was the first coastal village that we established ourselves. As you know, as the coastal village system was there in Carpinteria. And I think, you know, I really just wanted to be able to make a comment to help again ground folks to where too much people are coming from and why it's such a significant area. You just heard Sandy talk about all the diverse species that are so special to that area. I mean it's, I think it's one of the only great white shark nurseries that I've ever heard of in our territory and a lot of people just, we get that question a lot you know as co-sponsors why is this area significant?
Why is it so special And I think you know a lot of you already know, you know our Tomo's have come through Carpinteria because it was a total building hub. And I actually grew up in our canoe family and my dad is the canoe builder for the Santinas band of too much Indian so I have spent over half my life paddling from Channel Islands Harbor over to Limu, which is Santa Cruz Island in our Tomols. And it's just been a really great honor for me to be able to continue to share our cultural histories and our oral stories and help people understand why our sacred sites are being fiercely protected and supported by way of MPAs and other initiatives from the tribe. So thank you so much for giving me this time. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
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I do have one quick question that is pointed towards staff, has to do with Kathleen Reddington's comments about utilities going underground. We did have that policy put in place for developed areas, newly developed areas but in other areas that had been long time unincorporated to become part of city limits some of those have not yet been converted That's one question, is whether or not we plan on moving that forward. The second question is kind of out of our jurisdiction but something I think is even more important. That is that most of the overhead utilities specifically electric all fall within the county areas specifically And they're the ones surrounding all of Carpinteria. So I don't know if there's anything we could do to leverage that now that they're using some of the, well developing areas that used to be agriculture and now becoming residential multi-use.
That may be something we want to take a look at so.
Mayor Alarcon, Council Member Nomura. I can try to answer some of your question a bit of this kind of falls in my shop and some of it falls in our Public Works Department's shop You know maybe by way of background right we do typically require on new development or major redevelopment in the city that the utility laterals so that's the The lines that come from the power poles or from the power lines to a new building be placed underground.
That's a standard requirement for any new construction, and on larger project that does trigger like a subdivision map so when we're doing multiple new homes or larger development, we do whenever we can try to work with the developer and Edison to get the transmission lines in the actual power poles along the street frontages placed underground Sometimes there's some cost constraints with that. If there's major high voltage lines or other types of major utility equipment involved, it can quickly...
You know become a major major undertaking that might price out some of the smaller types of projects We typically see in the city from being able to to do that kind of work In terms of your question about you know, working with some of the larger projects that are Proposed or that we expect to be proposed along our borders in the county I think we'd have to work with the county here to see what their requirements are. I would expect that they probably have a similar requirement for for new kind of Urban type development within their jurisdiction, but we could we could chase that down and circle back and let you know And then as far as you know the like the major high voltage lines that are up in the hills right now I'm putting big towers. Yeah those are definitely in the county's jurisdiction or in some cases even in the National Forest and Those would be a major major undertaking to try to get To get underground or probably something that's bigger than what even the county can accomplish on their own That might be like a you know, a state or national level effort at that point.
Yeah, there would be national level But thank you for that one I would like to come in the city though and making sure that we have the laterals all cross over the freeway You did a great job on that was making sure that those all stayed underground So at least we have the infrastructure set in place for the downtown area And a lot of the developments from the 60s and 70s, so thank you
Any additional questions? Okay. Seeing none, thank you. We will now move on to the consent calendar and I will open up public comment for those items. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.
I will close public
comment and bring it back to the Council for a motion. I move to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held March 23rd, 2026 and the special meeting held March 30th, 2026. To receive and file the warrant register for the period of March 16th through April 3rd, 2026 pursuant to Carpinteria Municipal Code Section 2.08.1. And to receive and file the monthly City Treasurer's Report on Compliance with Statement of Safekeeping and Investment of Public Funds for February 2026. Second.
We have a first and second, all those in favor?
Aye.
Any opposed? Motion passes. And before we move on to administrative matters I'll just ask for a 10 minute recess Hello all and welcome back to the Carpinteria City Council regular meeting. Today is April 13, 2026 and we will resume with administrative matters beginning at item number 13 which is a consultant services agreement between the city of Carpinteria and Environmental Science Associates ESA to oversee and prepare environmental review documents for the residential farm project at 5885 Carpinteria Avenue in an amount not to exceed $563,518.
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Good evening, Mayor and Council. Yes item 13 is the proposed agreement for the consultant services to prepare CEQA environmental impact report for the farm project 5885 Carpinteria Avenue So we circulated a request for proposals in January of this year and we received five very strong proposals from firms who specialize in this type of work. After our internal rating process and some follow-up interviews, we are recommending Environmental Science Associates or ESA as the selected consultant For an agreement such as this, the city will contract directly with the consulting firm but the project applicant for the farm project will pay for the city for those costs and the contract is set up for $563,518 to cover those estimated costs.
With that, staff is available for questions. And I'll also note that applicant representatives Spencer Kellick and Amavir Barr are on the Zoom. And Brian Ali who is the Deputy Project Manager with ESA is also available on Zoom if you have any questions of them.
Yeah, a couple questions for this one. Can you walk us through how the city ensures that even though the applicant is funding the EIR, basically that the city is receiving the information that is most helpful to us?
Certainly, thank you vice mayor Slarson through the mayor First of all some jurisdictions allow applicants to hire their own EIR consultants But the city of Carpinteria makes sure that we conduct that process and that we hire firms that we believe are qualified, and that will work with us because the city recognizes that as lead agency ultimately it is our document. It's our environmental analysis. It is not the applicants or the consultants.
So we work closely with the consultant team to review all of the deliverables, all of the work products, the scope of work to direct the consultant, to make sure that they're following our local laws and policies. And that is reflected in all of the work. And then the legal team with our city attorney's office also reviews everything before it is released.
And so I guess a little bit along those lines, it sounds like from the staff report that this is like a multi-step process in terms of technical review looking at costs interviews. Can you share more about what ultimately made ESA stand out as the choice this time and if there were any concerns with the fact that they're also doing the EIR for Yes, we did our normal internal process where we rated all of the proposals. We actually came down to two of our top favorites
And we then held interviews with those two, and ESA really stood out because they are very experienced with complex coastal development projects. And they really shined in the interview when it came to those kinds of questions Even the applicant agreed with that, that they were very qualified. They have been doing a great job with the surf liner analysis. They've been working with us. They've been addressing all of our comments and now addressing all of the public comments And I think their understanding of Carpinteria is strong with that. But I'll also note that they added depth to their bench for this project, knowing that it's a bigger project, more complex.
Mike Hardin, who's the project manager in the proposal. And he has over 25 years experience with very complex coastal projects with high visibility and big public concerns. So with him and Ruta Thomas and Brian Ali, that's like over 70 years of combined experience of doing these kinds of documents.
And so this might be more a question for them, but so for a project like this where there's a lot of strong public interest. How does the consultant team approach making sure that the public feels heard? What plans do they have in place for gathering feedback from the community?
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We are keenly aware that there's a lot of public concern with this project and that we'll need to work collaboratively also with ESA to make sure that we're capturing all of the public input as that is big part of the CEQA process. I'll also just note that at its heart CEQA is a disclosure document, and so what ESA really needs to focus on is doing as objectively as possible environmental analysis based on facts, based on substantial evidence.
But that said, they take the response to comments process very seriously. And I am seeing that in action right now with the Surfliner Inn Project. They are working with me to make sure that the city is responding where needed and that nothing gets missed, that all of the comments are being addressed.
And just add, if I can, to Mindy's excellent answer that CEQA has a statutory process and there are certain mandated steps along the way that are all open to the public to participate in. So part of what we do on any of these projects is follow through these steps starting with the scoping exercise of engaging the public from step one to find out what issue areas they think we should be looking at in the environmental document Potential impacts we need to be looking at or potential mitigation measures. We need to consider a project alternatives and so on So, you know in some ways the the process is kind of spelled out for for whatever that consultant is hired ultimately But nevertheless the consultant can still work with city staff to make sure we're getting word out there and giving the public notice Of these opportunities to participate
Great. No, thank you and just one more question I know one of the in the staff report One of the goals with the EIR is to have what's a defensible EIR? And so in your experience like what are the most common vulnerabilities with EIRs for projects like this one What kind of might make it fall into that indefensible category
Great. Yeah, and Jenna may have some thoughts on this too but I think the biggest vulnerabilities would be incomplete technical analysis, lack of clarity when it comes to the impact conclusions and then sufficient response to comments. And so what ESA is proposing in their scope of work is addressing those things and really minimizing the risks to this city by preparing a very thorough, detailed analysis including additional studies that have been commissioned and peer reviews also. Did you want to add anything,
Jenna? Great response. Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor just to reiterate also that the city attorney's office as Mindy says does review everything before it goes out so we will have a team there reviewing all of the drafts that the consultant puts together
And that's helpful, and thank you for that background. I know that the community is going to really want to know that the group that's doing this is going to be as thorough, meticulous, and responsive as possible. And so it sounds like that is one of their priority areas. So thank you. Those are my questions.
Additional questions?
Just sort of a few questions to add to the Vice Mayor. You mentioned that in other jurisdictions it's actually the applicant who hires the firm to do the EIR, but here we don't do that which is great, but how much did the applicant participate in this process?
Yes thank you Councilmember Mayer through the mayor First, we reviewed all the proposals ourselves before we shared them with the applicant. And then we did our own internal rating sheets and then we did share all the proposals with the applicant but let them know who the top two were based on our review And asked them if they had any concerns about that. They said no, that sounds great and then we invited one of the applicant representatives to sit in on the interviews with the top two I'll just note that at that point both of the top two candidates were really good and We didn't have a preference At that point but At the interviews ESA really shined when it came to addressing coastal, in particular Coastal Act and coastal LCP issues. And so after the interviews when I talked with the applicant's representative that's what he pointed out to me which I immediately said that's what I got from it too.
So that helped us decide. They did help decide that in the end but We already knew that either one of the top two was going to be great and so.
Thank you, and then just one more question in the staff report I think that they came back if ranging like from the mid 200,000s to almost 600,000 this is pretty close to the top did cost come factor in at all or was it just qualifications based?
It was mainly qualifications-based. I will say with the one that was the lowest, it factored in the sense that it felt like they did not understand the scope of work. So for the ones that were in the 300 to 600 we knew that those ones understood that this is going to be a heavy lift So to that extent, but really it's more about going in and reviewing that they understood the project. That they were proposing depth of experience and those were the primary factors. And then of course the coastal considerations.
That's helpful thank you I really appreciate those questions and just to piggyback off that a little bit, if you can share it because it sounds like there was some sort of a rubric used. If you can share a little bit more about that just so that we can get a better sense of how the top contenders were chosen? And I know you've shared a little bit about like the experience in depth and complex coastal projects but are there any other factors that you all took into account when you scored the applicants?
Yes, I actually have one of my checklists here so I don't have to try and remember. And these are weighted scores, so I don't – yeah. Actually, I can tell you the weight. So in looking at the technical proposals, 20% is given to understanding the scope of work and what is being requested. 15% to the methodological approach and the timeline proposed. 15% to the ability to present technical material in a precise manner. 15% regarding experience and references for similar projects.
15% for professional skills and credentials, for the people that are responsible for preparing the document. And 10% regarding the general quality of the proposal which is subjectivity involved. And that is why our panel of three we met and went over what our scores were and why and made sure that we're all in agreement. And in this case our scores were all very close.
So we were in clear agreement.
Very helpful, thank you I appreciate that and just one other question um have we with any EIRs in the past have we worked with other consultants other than ESA or just maybe in the past year too?
Yes, we have. We worked with MRS on the Chevron EIR and we've been working with WSP on the general plan update EIR. Great
thank you. Any other questions from council? None okay I will open up public comment and we will start with Susan Allen
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Good evening again, and I've got some scribbled notes here. So hope I can figure out what they say. I want to thank City Council and city staff for taking on the responsibility of conducting the EIR process having the developer does it never sits well with at least to me the general public So I know that puts an extra burden, but I think as far as making everybody feel like they're heard It's the right thing to do The other thing I haven't heard tonight is a timeline and I just am addressing this as far as public education Because people come up and say oh the projects approved and going no not yet Because we have the EIR process and I know it can take a really long time. So maybe that can somehow be spelled out Tonight and and I think we just I feel we just have to keep educating the public on What's going on?
And and how it all transpires and their ability to comment and educate themselves To me was really super important. Um, and then given what we've heard from previous speakers, I really think that part of the my two cents in early is that the connection to the village of Mishopshno is maybe more important than even I realized. So hopefully, that can be looked at and then just a general question because i was a little bit taken aback when looking at the 5885 project in City Hall When I went in, I had to have Mindy stand with me and put my phone away because the developer considered the documents proprietary. Which doesn't...I've never seen that with any other project in this city so I'm wondering now if those documents are kind of free to the public to look at and not have to have Mindy take valuable time away from her business while we look at documents and ask a lot of questions.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comment. Amrita Som, welcome.
Good evening. I already wrote a comment earlier today that I sent on. I'm concerned about the continual use of the same consultants and apparently not knowing as a resident whether there's a policy or plan to increase the number of consulting firms to respond to RFPs. It's very glad to hear from Mindy that there were actually five people who did respond At the present time, the Surfliner EIR is being done by the same consulting firm that the contract the City Council is to approve tonight for the farm project. Many people in the community feel that the draft EIR for the Surfliner was not well received either by the ERC committee Or the public, if you look at Appendix A of the draft EIR, you will see hundreds and hundreds of suggestions on what should be done.
I mean, the biologist on the Environmental Review Committee had to tell them they had to do some biological studies. I mean, why wouldn't they have thought of that doing that at night? So, I was concerned that you're not only hiring the same consulting firm, but a consulting firm that in the opinion of many people in the community did not do excellent work. And my second question about the contract is what is the normal time that a contract for an EIR is made? Is it before a project goes to the ARB? I've never heard of that happening after the ARB meeting or does it go after their first meeting with the Planning Commission, or when the Planning Commissioner said now we can move forward?
If that could be explained. I just thought it was a little unusual. I've never heard of a contract for an EIR being signed before it even goes to an ARB meeting. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Nathan Pratt?
I am one of those community members that took a look over at the EIR that this firm did for the Surfliner and the quality work just isn't good enough. That was a poor quality job, the fact that city staff recommends it makes me question their judgment and I would highly say that if you have not been involved in choosing the firms, you should as a City Council be interviewing all these firms yourself.
I would not sub that work out to staff. You guys are making the decision, you should talk to these firms and see who you are comfortable with. But the initial EIR that I did read that they put out had numerous flaws, gigantic omissions, really just a breeze by on everything. So I would say if I was a developer, I'd want to have that firm picked absolutely. They're going to give me a good EIR.
But as far as really doing a good quality job, I cannot recommend it. And as far as timing, it does seem...I don't know how you guys do all these kinds of things but seems like if a project isn't approved why even go through the work of doing an EIR? If you haven't gotten all your preliminary approvals done, why even spend the money either on the developer side or the city side? So I would recommend pushing this decision back until this project is more fully consummated as a project that will move forward.
Or not, as the case may be. So just a couple quick comments. That was it.
Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.
I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for additional questions. Actually, I can start. I have two follow-up questions from our public speakers for our staff. One is if you can share the timeline and two if you can share just the EIR kind of process and the question was about if it's before ARB or after or just where it is in the process typically?
Certainly, thank you Mayor. The timeline that's in the scope of work it shows about 13 months from when the EIR gets kicked off we do not yet know when the kickoff will be and so as you know they just had some community input last week and we're waiting to hear some of the results of that and if it will Maybe any of it get folded into the project description before we begin the EIR process.
And regarding the timing versus an ARB hearing, this is a housing project and under the Housing Accountability Act, we only get five review hearings or even from an advisory body like the Architectural Review Board And so we do not want to rush into any of those hearings if we're not ready. In getting the project description stabilized, doing some environmental analysis would be very helpful and very beneficial to informing the process before we begin approval hearings or advisory body hearings. Jenna anything to add to that?
Thank you Mindy. Through the mayor, just a little bit of clarification as well on the process. So under state law, under the California Environmental Quality Act, a public agency is prohibited from taking any action or making any discretionary decisions on a project unless and until it goes through the CEQA process. So in this situation our CEQA process is likely going to be an EIR. And so the city can't make any of those decisions about approving or preliminarily approving projects until they see all of that environmental analysis, and so that's one of the reasons we would not go to the Planning Commission further until that document is finalized.
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So just a follow-up question then, is this typical then for us to move forward with the EIR right now currently? And then is the 13 months in terms of how long it could take also typical?
On the second question, yes. 13 months is a very typical estimate for trying to calculate how long an EIR will take from the kickoff point until the final EIR point, not counting approval hearings and that's what they're showing. Of course we can't always tell what kinds of changes might occur and it could actually be more streamlined, it could be a faster process or it could take longer. But that is a good estimate.
And then typical process, Nick did you want to address that?
Sure, thanks Mindy. So some of this is at the discretion of staff and it would depend on the projects You know the city's Standard practice as its outlined in in the environmental guidelines manual and in the applicants guide that we have on our city website Suggests that typically sequel review would go first The EIR review in this case would go first before you go to architecture view board or on the Planning Commission That being said, you know in past circumstances there have been instances where it made sense to do an architecture review board meeting early on to help pin down a project description or help in Mindy's parlance stabilize the project description and then take that through the environmental review process. So we've done it both ways and it just depends on the project but I think as Mindy pointed out earlier Given some of the limitations that are placed on local agencies now for housing projects in particular, in terms of the number of hearings we have, it makes sense to front load the environmental impact report work and get that done first before we utilize any of those five hearings that we have at our disposal.
And then my other question, which a commenter asked was about whether or not the plans are available to the public without having staff present to review it with them. Is that available? Or have the developers made that available?
Thank you, Mayor Allecon. Not yet. We are going to follow up with them this week now that they clearly were showing the plans at a public open house last week. Of course one of my follow-up questions for the applicant team also is there's still some things in our letters that we recently sent out that we've been asking be addressed in the plans and so it could be that they need to provide us Is there...
Could we request that information before? I mean, I don't want to complicate things but if we did not approve this could we request that information before we approve this EIR if there isn't...if it's not being...if we're not on a time constraint out of curiosity.
I think that is the question both for Jenna as well as maybe the applicant team who's here on Zoom and they might be able to tell you.
I'm not sure if you could restate your question. What is?
Well, I'm just curious if we have to is this do we need to Because it sounds like there's still some things that we don't have from the developer for example If the plans aren't necessarily made available to the public Is there any reason why we have to approve this now are we on a time constraint to approve? what we're currently looking at
for the EIR. Great, so I'll try to take these in two different parts. So the first question there is a it's a provision of state law that requires cities get consent before making public architectural drawings. So it's very specific to one type of document. That said those documents are available for public inspection at City Hall for someone to come look at, right? They just can't actually be copied until there's the consent of the architect. So as Mindy said, we do expect that that will be coming and it's something that we'll follow up on. Your council does have full discretion to not approve this contract this evening.
I'm not sure of the benefits of that or how that would benefit the city or the council. We've been working directly with the applicant to, you know, understand if there may be some different changes to the proposal and that's something that although maybe not our ideal something that Mindy and I and Mac and Nick have all talked about that we could incorporate As the CEQA process goes on, we've addressed those kind of concerns to the applicant team as well. And also let them know that may increase their costs in the CEQA process and they've acknowledged that.
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Any other questions from council?
Okay, I'm going to try to see if I can get this question out. So as one of the public commenters suggested we should not hire this firm today because of concerns does that is that count as making a decision about the project? Because there was like a lot of talk about that. I just want to make sure that I've got that right. That's not the same thing as making a decision
Correct. Great question, Council Member Mayer and I was through the Mayor and I was not parsing my words correctly but yes this is a decision to undertake CEQA so you're not making any sort of entitlement decision or approving the project right? There's no preliminary approval to the project there's no final approval to the project all you're saying is we're investigating we're exploring this project which you're required to do, right? An application has been submitted to the city. You are required by law to take that application through the development review process and this is part of the development review process undertaking CEQA.
And the EIR that, I've just got their name wrong. I have it. The EIR that ESA is going to prepare for us is based on the set of plans that the public is not allowed to see unless they're with Mindy, right? Or is it just any building on that parcel?
Council Member Mayer, we do not yet have a working project description for the EIR. We intend to work with the applicant on the project description and work closely with ESA on the description that is needed in order to begin scoping and begin an analysis.
That was my question,
thank you. And if I can jump in really quick Mindy and Councilmember Mayer through the Mayor. I think this is where two different things are getting conflated right? This is not a decision tonight about whether or not the council staff anyone agrees with the proposed project description right that's a later discussion and a later discretionary decision. Tonight it simply Here is the EIR.
We don't get necessarily a say in the project description or that's presented to us by an applicant, and so they will provide a project description as long as it goes through our normal process internally. That's the project description, right? And so our job is move this application through our process, we get to apply our rules but we have to comply with law. And part of the law requires that we comply with CEQA so this is the first step in complying with CEQAs getting a CEQa consultant on board.
Thank you Jenna.
Additional questions?
Yeah, one real quick. I understand the scope of this one but my question would be regarding the requested changes that the city staff put forward. Would that affect at all the plans? Is this going to be something that would potentially have to be changed at a later time and if they don't make the changes are these change recommendations that the city put forward something that we think is relevant or essential to the project itself?
Can I clarify real quick? And by requested changes you mean when I was saying earlier that our letters have asked, so for instance a good example is we've asked them to show secondary access for fire safety. And so those things are still pending, but once we receive them it will not substantially change the scope of work that is attached to this contract. The contract is or I should say the scope of work and the contract are kind of, what's the word I'm looking for? They're malleable enough such that we can still make changes. We can add different aspects to the project or other studies so that can all still be done within the scope of the contract and the set forth timeline and everything.
So the recommendations have become contradictory to what they have currently put forward.
I don't understand.
In other words, the recommendations you made are based not on anything specific as far as qualifying the project. These are just going to be basically minor tweaks, correct? So as an example, if you have units that need to be... well, if you have to have accesses done, access ingress things like that. That may limit the number of actual units you have on that property. If we move forward with this one and find out later on that there's not enough access or egress into these areas is that going to be a changing number? Or something that would change completely the scope of this project?
I will say Council Member Nomura through the Mayor, we don't expect something like the unit count to change. We could see something where the buildings themselves get modified or some of the buildings could be smaller or closer together And that's all within the ability to do. We are also going to have reduced alternatives prepared as part of the EIR and so we believe that The one thing that is probably pretty stable is that a number of units that are proposed but other design changes can be made without Without it really affecting this contract our scope
Thank You
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Any other questions? Okay, then I'll ask for a motion from the council.
Move to authorize the City Manager to execute an agreement for consultant services with Environmental Science Associates to oversee and prepare environmental review documents for the farm project in an amount not to exceed $563,518. I'll second that.
We have a first and a second. Roll call vote please.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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We will now
move on to item number 14 which is the Harbor Seal and Tar Pits Park interpretive signage
Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council. Tonight I'm bringing forward for your review and approval two interpretive signs and one warning sign for the beach ends of the Harbor Seal Rookery. On August 26th 2024 your council previously reviewed and approved beach closure signs for the rookery which are currently up while the beaches closed At that meeting, it was requested that staff return to your council for review and approval of any future signs related to harbor seals.
On February 3rd, 2025, your council received and filed the final Ad Hoc Harbor Seal Advisory Committee recommendations. The committee had multiple recommendations one of which was the implementation of a signage program including the development of interpretive signs. Separately, since early 2023 the Carpinteria Open Space Management Advisory Board or COSMAB has been discussing the need for interpretive signage related to the natural tar seep and tar pits located along the Carpinteria Bluffs and within Tar Pits Park.
The draft language, which is in Attachment A of your staff report and design concepts, Attachment B have been discussed at multiple COSMAB meetings for well over a year. Staff completed review of the proposed TARPIT sign language, excuse me, staff had the review of proposed TARPIT sign language done by a member of the Chumash community to ensure cultural accuracy.
The Harbor Seal Interpretive Sign Proposed Language was workshopped multiple times at COSMAB meetings, and a small and informal ad hoc working group was formed with two members of the public and two members of COSMAB to finalize what is presented to you all this evening. A significant amount of the discussion was focused on the interpretive signs for the Harbor Seal Rookery as well as the beach end signs which would be up at either end of the Harbor Seal Rookery from June 1st to November 30th each year.
Another topic of discussion by COSMAB and members of the public was implementation of a QR code on the Harbor Seal interpretive sign. COSMAB voted to support the inclusion of a QR code which is presented here for you this evening. One member of the public worked with a producer to produce an approximately three minute video on harbor seals, which the producer has offered to give to the city for us to host on our website. And this would ensure that the city could control and monitor the link to the video Here for you are the approximate locations of the two signs. Please note these are approximate locations which were discussed and agreed upon by COSMAB. You can see the Harbour Seal Rookery sign over on the right, and then the Tar Pits sign within Tar Pitts Park.
Zooming in a little more, the Tar Pits Park sign will be near the entrance of Tar Pits Park if you are entering from the west or you're entering from the state parks. And this sign will be placed along the trail likely overlooking Jelly Bowl Beach again right here The harbor seal interpretive sign will replace the existing sign, which is along the main trail connecting Tar Pits Park to the Bluffs near the parking lot before one would head to the overlook to view the seals.
It's kind of right before you turn that corner to head towards the overlook. The beach end signs would be installed where the posts currently are and where the beach closure signs are currently up in place on either end of the haul out and rookery again approximate locations shown here As you can see here and in the attachment of the staff report, the warning signs have bright and bold colors to hopefully catch people's attention.
Here is the design concept of the harbor seal interpretive sign shown here without the QR code. And here with the QR code enlarged here at the bottom of your screen as an example, and that is the website or the link it will go to. And finally, here is a design concept for the Tar Pits Park sign. One note I want to make that is that we will be removing this watermark of the city seal here. That was an accidental carryover from a past design concept. We started this project well before we had our current city logo which will be shown on these panels and that concludes my brief staff report. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have
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Sure, I hadn't realized that the tar pit signage was also part of this project. I thought it was just about the harbor seals so can you talk a little bit about how you decided to or how and how COSMAB weighed in on the content of the tarpit sign and the location and all of that?
Yes, absolutely. Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor. The discussion about the signs related to the tarseeps and tar pits actually began prior to my time here with the city. It was discussed and brought up at COSMAB. One of the city interns at the time Brian Kwong took it on as a project where he researched a lot of what you see here today and a COSMAB member Jamie also joined and at the time Aida Tao was working with the city and helped on this project. And so they, I can't take any credit at all for these signs or the content of it. They really started the project. Brian worked with the local museum, the Santa Barbara Natural History Museum even the La Brea Tar Pits to really research the information that you see presented for you this evening.
Thank you, that's really interesting. I'm glad also that the intern checked in with different agencies too to make sure that it was looking the way it should and then I think you kind of mentioned this but for the QR code so that links to the video but that's hosted on the city website is that right? Correct
if your council supports use of the QR code it would link to our existing website which has information about Harbor Seals it's under the Parks and Recreation Community Services Umbrella website if you will we have a tile That will lead you to harbor seal information specifically so we could host the video on the website and that would help us just ensure that You know The link doesn't break that the content of the video is as it's intended to be and then if it needs to be updated, you know It's within the city's control. Okay? Thank you
Any additional questions Okay, I will open up public comment and I do have a speaker slip for David Allen.
Good evening Mayor Alicorn and members of the council. I'm here to answer any questions if you have any, but primarily to note and acknowledge the work of the members of the public who assisted in drafting the Harbour Seal Thank you. Thank you for your comments.
I'm also a member of COSMAB. Thank you. If this works on these signs, we might want to do this at the bluffs because you know the conservation easement says very few signs at the bluffs. We really don't want signs in a preserve but a lot of visitors, the Seal Watch volunteers will tell you that we have so many international volunteers I'm here to talk about the A brief film, it was brought to us as a longer film like 10 or 12 minute film and we said no it's gotta be down to like three minutes. People don't have time for longer films but if we can make this work for this I think it gives us an exciting opportunity to do this at the Bluffs on the existing signage there without additional signs.
And so I hope you will approve this signage thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Susan Millhew?
Good evening City Council members, staff. First of all I would like to thank Jeanette Gaunt for her patience and for bringing these signs to you it's critical Your staff report said to expect members of COSMAP and expect members of SEAL Watch. Well, I'm definitely a member of SEAL Watch, very active member but I am also a member of SOS. I want to talk to you more about that. We have history from two iterations of the Harbor Seal Advisory Committee in this room tonight. We know the history of the signs, took up a great deal of staff time and the members' time Because it's a difficult topic, we had the president of the Friends of the Elephant Seal as a guest and speaking of how difficult signs are. And I want you to know it's difficult because people don't read signs.
Now that brings me to the QR code. The QR code was created by SOS And that was two members of SOS that donated their time and skills. And it was CDOC Society at the University of Davis patterning it after the best understood harbor seal colony on the west coast, and that's up in Seattle. And the importance of the QR code is that it's engaging, but people don't read signs.
The interpretive sign positioned here is going to be at a bottleneck and people are especially not gonna read the signs so after all of that work I would hate for people to not benefit, but if they walk by and just flash their phone and create the image. It's an adorable film of a baby harbour seal underwater. We do not have access to that footage. And it was through SOS that we provided it. So please vote to add the QR code. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker subs, do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no raised hands
I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for any questions and or a motion.
I'll just say that along with Mayor Alarcon, I was on the second iteration of the HSEC committee and so it's really great to see these signs come to fruition and be ready to go. So thanks so much to COSMAB for taking this on and as always to city staff for marshalling it through. And then I'll move to approve the two interpretive signs as presented including the QR code.
I'll second that did have some comments, but this could happen afterwards. Yeah, I've
got comments Would you like
to First in a second, but if you go over discussion we could do that now.
Okay, can we do discussion? Is there anything I need
to do okay sure I'd be happy to start first and One of the questions I have, great idea, great signage. I like the idea of the QR code. I think that'll get you a long way. But in talking to some members of your group, The community itself, even Carpinteria, lacks education on the appreciation of what you see itself. Seals are a passion for you and I can see why they are but the community doesn't share quite that same passion and I think the reason for that is just the lack of education not being aware of that one When you talk to some members of the community and say, who do you think about the Seal Watch group? They think it's more I would say disciplinary than it is actually an appreciation of that. So I'm bringing this up because I think it will be important for you as a group to expand Basically, what you're doing and I think it's a very great cause is to actually create a public outreach program that would be able to then talk about the seals.
Talk about why there's such a rare commodity that we are one of the few areas that would have this in our area. Basing it that way, the signage is just a reminder. It's not going to be the deterrent. I think the way you're gonna go about it or should go about it is actually create that and make sure that you have it in the schools, in public areas and include this in programs things that you do and actually have programs specific to the public where they could see this and not even have to go out there but talk about Why the Harbor Seal is so important to you as a group and organization. I think that's going to be the farthest part, but the signage is a good start.
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Thank you. I think the interpretive signs are great. I have some comments on the warning sign and I find it potentially confusing And it doesn't, I mean it doesn't say on anywhere on the sign where the sign comes from. It's just like here's a sign all of a sudden and it mentions the Marine Mammal Protection Act so maybe it's a NOAA sign? I don't know but I think that The use of the Marine Mammal Protection Act in this context is also confusing. I mean, it's very worthwhile to have a sign there on the off-season when people need to know what other laws might protect the seals. That's a good thing but it's potentially confusing with the difference between the city ordinance And the city ordinance having a distance of 750 feet clearance to the seals and the Marine Mammal Protection Act has a distance of 300 feet.
One of the problems here that, I mean this is geography, you know our site even though the Coastal Commission recommends that we see what San Diego did, well San Diego's a very different geography than we do as one example. But in this case, we have three recognized haul-outs in Carpinteria. One of them is 750 feet west of the rookery, with the rookery being one of the recognized haul-outs. But the rocks 750 feet west of the rookery are also a haul-out generally only at low tide And the same with rocks at the state campground are also a hollow, but that's generally low tide. But you have the potential situation where you have someone coming up to read this sign and they're within 300 feet of seals that are out on the rocks.
And then you have a potential where all the tourists and the campers are at the rocks in the campground, and they're within 300 feet. And then you also have the real potential that the overlook where people come to see the seals are within 300 feet of the seals. 30,000 visitors a year. That's just the one seal watch counts out of five months that are potentially violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act so you know I think I don't know what to do.
You know, I don't know what else to do because we do want to let people know that there is a law that protects the seals during the off-season. But I would like to see this sign amended to include some language like on top or somewhere, the city of Carpinteria closes the beach from such-and-such a time which is December 1st to May 31st per ordinance number. And then so you've got the agency, you've got the City Council as the agency behind this sign and it's got more agency with citation, and then you can just go on and have the regular sign. But I'd like to have the City of Carpinteria as the maker of the sign on there, and also reference the code that does close the seal year-round so people aren't confused when they just see this.
And I again realize that this sign is only up when the beach is open, but people could take pictures and share it and so there's potential for confusion of what the laws are year-round. I think it would just help to add that to this sign. That's just my opinion.
So just to be clear because there is a motion on the floor does it sounds like you might want to see if It would be amended. The motion would be amended
if they want to I mean, okay, that's their emotion
yeah, I think my I appreciate what you're saying and I understand that um And I also understand that it's taken how many years to get to the point of? Having the signs that we have and so to go back to the drawing board or even a little
bit But we had good science before
And the fact that these are being recommended by COSMAB, or the current iteration of COSMAB and they showed up today to talk about their process in getting here and how they got to this. In my opinion I would want to take trust in their judgment on this one and adopt these signs.
And can I ask a question to staff? Can you talk about your reasoning about removing the closed beach sign or potentially not having the City of Carpinteria, the seal on there. Is that a point of conversation that came up?
Mayor Alicante, that was not a point of conversation that I recall. We so you your council proved the signs that are currently up right now for the beach closure not too long ago it was a topic of discussion with the ad hoc harbor seal committee to revise the signs for that would be up for the remainder of the year so that was kind of the direction of why we are Proposing new signs Then to be honest, the logo was not originally put on this sign by the designer. It was just more of a I'm gonna say kind of like an enforcement looking sign it can be added it was not Originally on the first or any of the iterations of the design and and I cannot recall specific so I apologize I know that Past signs had dates and there was some feedback from Ad Hoc Harbor Seal Committee about those dates and maybe the sign being up.
Citing dates that not at the same time. I don't know mayor vice-mayor if you were calling these conversations from the ad hoc harbor seal committee but Cosmab did not discuss specific dates on these Specific signs, so if that's the direction of your council I'm happy to follow it and work with a designer to add that in and
Are the signs with the closed beaches, those still go up along with the warning sign?
No, Mayor Alecon. What we have switched to is the beach closed signs are the only signs up during the closure to avoid any confusion and then those will come down and then these will be replaced I believe at some point there was a time yes where there were two signs I think there was a time where there was assign in a stop sign so I know there's just definitely been many iterations of the signs and not a lot of You know, input about what works and doesn't.
So the sign going up when the beach is closed will continue to happen? Correct. Okay great thank
you. I would just want my comments don't really have to do with this sign but I do still feel that they're valuable. If you go on Google Maps it shows that the Seal Sanctuary is the parking lot at The Bluffs And I think that what Ted Rhodes had to say is very helpful and very, I think we should definitely consider adding the QR code to the sign. The amount of times that I've explained where you have to go to see the seals but also I have been lucky enough to see the video and it is very magical and it is really, I think it would be something The people who are pulling off the freeway and parking and wanting to see the seals. It would just, it would be really some, it'd be a real benefit so that's my two cents. The other thing is that I'm excited to see us have signage about the Tar Pits Park because The second largest tar, natural tar seepage in North America.
And next week we take all the third graders in Carpinteria out to the bluffs and one of the things that we do there is educate them on the natural tar seepage and I think that that is a very big misconception in our community. People think that it's an oil spill people don't understand what it is when it is really something that is very exciting and special to where we live. So, I'm excited about that sign going there just as an aside.
That's all.
Okay so just circle back we have a first and a second it sounded... It sounded as though you won't be amending the motion? So yeah
unless my colleagues all want me to consider it but it doesn't sound like that's the case so I would... My second would stand the way it is
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I think it would be helpful to have the city seal on here, but that's the only thing I would see to add on. Only because if we're removing the closed beach with our city seal on there when the beach is not closed, I think it could be helpful to have our city seal on there, but that's the only suggestion I have.
Mayor Alec on may ask for just one point of clarification. Would you be all right if we added the city logo instead of this seal?
Oh, yes Yeah, that's it but just to identify that it's an official City of Carpinteria sign I'm pretty sure with all of our signage We have the Carpinteria sealer logo on it. So just so that it's Comparable to all of our other signage understood. That's not a problem
Yeah, if we were going to add that could I just would it be appropriate to ask if the members of COSMAB who are here would consider that to be a favorable update to the signs?
My apologies, Mayor and members of Council. I thought maybe you'd just note the acknowledgment from the rear there. Speaking only for myself obviously, I doubt very much that members... well, I doubt that members would have any serious objection to having a logo, the city logo on this sign. Thank
you.
Ted Rhodes again. As our parks director said, I don't think we talked about it. So it was a miss that we should have included.
Great. That's very helpful to hear. Thank you. And the only reason I just wanted to double check is I know how detail-oriented the discussions about signage are and sometimes even a little change would maybe make the recommendation be different so I really appreciate hearing from the COSMAB folks here today that they agree with that addition.
So with that, I would modify my second to include
that. Yes, yes. So I'll modify the motion to now include addition of the city logo.
Yeah, I just wanted to extra point of clarification. So and this has actually more to do with how we use the logo versus the seal so if we were to cite you know the muni code in this to be more of an official capacity then the seal would be appropriate if it was an interpretive sign like the ones the other ones that we showed then the city logo would be more appropriate and so Seeing that there's, you know, warning and things like that on there. It's kind of striking me more as something that would be more muni code-ish in nature. And so... But I'm also hearing that we're talking about not necessarily citing the muni code but just adding the logo. So if you guys agree or the council agrees that this is more of although it doesn't have wouldn't have the muni code on there that it's more of that type of sign we could Use the seal we could also consult with you Lisa later and you can give us Rewards to use either or as appropriate that sure is in line with our usage of the seal and logo
And if I could just add Michael, um, I am referencing our branding guidelines and it does explicitly state that Interpretive signage. The logo is permissible which we have here and then anything that's code enforcement related This seal is what would be required
Excellent. Okay, we have a first and a second
one more could we also add the QR code then in because We get a lot of people at seal watch that are coming on the beach And they're coming on the beach because they want to see the seals and they're very disappointed that they can't see the seals Because they get turned back
That was in the original motion, was to include the QR code.
Oh it is? Yes it was.
If I may...
And the seal. Did we all got that? Just to make
sure if you wouldn't mind Mayor just to make sure I'm understanding my original intention from COSBAP and myself was the QR code would be on the interpretive sign only to link to the city website what I think I'm hearing from Council Member Clark is that you would like The QR code on the warning signs as well in my understand problem. No problem at all I'm sure our designer could assist in adding the QR code and the city seal slash logo as following our branding guidelines
So, just I want to make sure I understand. So then because the interpretive signs those are the ones that are further away right? So if they're looking at the warning sign we want the QR code that links to the video of it makes more sense for me that to link it before they get there. No but so
a lot of people just come on the beach they don't go on the trail. They're never going to see the QR
code
except if they see it on the beach
Okay, so
I'll
amend the motion then to include the QR code both in the interpretive signs and also in the sign on the beach.
And the city seal or logo? Yeah,
I already made that
addition. Great, okay we have a first and a second. It sounds like staff has the exact direction needed so I'll ask for a voice vote all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed none motion passes and thank you council member Clark for catching the need for the seal or logo on this signage
We will move on to item number 15, which is the authorization for the City Manager to execute an agreement with 19-6 Architects to provide consulting architecture and engineering design services for the Carpinteria Community Pool Improvements Project.
Yes, so this evening we are asking for your approval to authorize the City Manager to execute an agreement with 19-6 Architects to provide consulting architecture and engineering design services for the Carpinteria community pool improvements project in an amount not to exceed $275,000. As you may recall last May your council received and filed the Community Pool Facility Condition Assessment which outlined a number of maintenance and capital improvement needs at the community pool.
On November 14, 2025, the City issued a Request for Proposal or an RFP seeking qualified firms to provide architectural and engineering design services for the project The RFP was directly emailed to 23 potential proposers and posted on the City's website. The project-specific link received 43 total visits. This number represents the total times the link was accessed, either by users clicking on it directly or manually typing the URL into a web browser. This metric reflects total visits and does not distinguish between unique users, meaning repeat visits by the same individual are included in that total.
To promote the RFP, a social media post was published on November 17th on the city's Facebook and Instagram account. Social media views indicate that the number of times this post was displayed to users in their feed regardless of whether they interacted with it. The post received 2,387 views and 18 users clicked on the embedded link to access additional information about the project. Link clicks represent a higher level of engagement as they indicate users took action to learn more beyond simply just viewing the post.
The city received three proposals and following the evaluation, it was determined that 19-6 Architects was the most qualified and responsive firm demonstrating a high level of relevant experience in technical expertise. If approved, the agreement will authorize 19-6 to complete the design and permitting phase of the project and provide construction support services including oversight to ensure the project is constructed in accordance with the approved plans and specifications.
The City has allocated $70,000 in its current budget for the Community Pool Improvements Project, $59,000 from the Aquatics Development Impact Fee, and $11,000 from donations. The city has also been awarded two grants via the Community Access and Recreation Projects Fund, which is a fund established with the Santa Barbara Foundation for this project. To date the city has been awarded $250,000 from the La Centra Summerlin Foundation and $50,000 from the Alice Tweed Tuohy Foundation This concludes my brief staff report, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. We also have representatives from 19-6 and their subcontractor Councilman Hunsaker available via Zoom if you should have any questions for them.
Questions from council?
Yeah, so the total identified needs look like it's about 1.2 million and then this contract starts us off in the design phase So how ultimately will decisions be made as we go through the process about what gets built and what gets deferred depending on you know if costs go up or Whatever whatever might affect that
Yes, Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor that's a great question and I think one the consultant had as well as this project doesn't have you know a dedicated budget at this point in time. Realistically what will happen is the 19-6 if approved will design the project and give us a better estimate of the total cost for the project from there based on funding whether it's city funds grants or fundraising we'll have to start making decisions on what can be done on phase one or phase two, or if we are able to secure fully funding doing the entire project at once of course would be the preferred option. We'd really look to the audit and the community pool needs assessment which identified the higher priority items, the things that are more likely to fail in the near future and start from the top and work our way down.
We also work with the consultants you know who are experts in their fields for them to give advice on what makes the most sense financially, if there are items that can be done together by similar subcontractors, things of that nature. So it will definitely be a living process as we go and work on funding and just really be looking to the pool needs assessment and the contractors and the subcontractors and their expertise to identify what's most important top priority and take care of those things first.
And then it looks like the proposed schedule includes a pool closure around January 2027 to April 2027. Can you talk about how that timing was selected and then what it means for community programming that happens at the pool during that period?
Yeah, yes Vice Mayor Sloresno through the mayor. That schedule was a hope of mine in the RFP. Closing around wintertime is just the most natural for outdoor aquatics facilities that's when city recreation programming is generally at its lowest. The community is also used to a brief closure around the holidays for maintenance We are behind where I'd hoped we would be, so that schedule is already to be frank not going to happen. We're a few months behind where I thought we would be but through city programming wise closing during the winters makes the most sense however the high school has boys water polo in fall girls and winter and swim in spring and then as you all know Summer recreation programming is huge. So there's not ever going to be a perfect time to close the pool, but because this will be planned out and communicated well in advance that hopefully some of our user groups and stakeholders can find alternative locations for the closure for hopefully a brief closure or whatever length it may be But when an entire community and school district uses just one pool, there's never going to be a good time to
close. Our last question is can you just share a little bit more about what makes the 1906 Architects the right fit for this particular project?
Yes, so Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor. What really stood out to the group of city staff that ranked these proposals was their experience in projects just so similar to ours. City projects and school projects alike. Projects that are on school grounds are subject to the Division of State Architects or DSA review and approval. So that's an added layer of review and approval, like I said, which can complicate things especially for firms who may not have experience. 19-6 had multiple schools that they've worked on aquatic centers with the Arroyo Grande High School, San Luis Obispo High School.
They worked in Ventura at the Ventura Community Park and Bath House, the City of Lompoc Aquatic Center, and the list just kind of goes on and on about pool experience, city experience and school district experience. And we need that level of expertise to guide us through this project. That's helpful thank you
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I'm glad the school district came up because most my questions have to do with them Is there a point that we're concerned about where the pool could fall out of user standards for schools before it's for like, the general public? I'm just recognizing because it is swim team season and there are other school districts visiting our pool and using our facilities. And I'm thinking about but the general public uses it every day so you know at one point are we Pushing this project along when it should be just dealt with I guess is my question
It's councilmember mayor through the mayor tried my best to answer the question. So to my knowledge, there's no Regulations on pool operations that differentiate between schools and public so it's all the same County Health Code standards that we have to abide by But to your point about swim team, it's minor but one of the items called out in the assessment was our dive blocks or starting blocks which only competitive swimmers use in competitions which is the high school. The deck and the candle lever gutter that you attach the water polo goals in that area if it's chipping away There it may cause future problems and then just in general over time Although the equipment is fine right now. We are not at the emergency state It it's going to slowly start shutting down and so we definitely in my opinion Need to address this with sooner rather than later, and then as you guys have heard with John and the CIP projects costs will continue to rise And so it's kind of that game of how much can we get taken care of now?
For potentially lower price than if we space it out over years, which was also outlined in the needs assessment So I hope that kind of answered your question councilmember mayor
Thank you
Any other questions Okay. No questions. I will open up Public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via zoom?
I'm here We have no raised hands
I will close public comment and bring it back to the Council for any other comments, questions and of course a motion.
I'll move to authorize the City Manager to execute an agreement with 19-6 Architects to provide consulting architecture and engineering design services for the Carpinteria Community Pool Improvements Project in an amount not to exceed $275,000. Do
we have a first and a second? Roll call vote please.
Council Member Nomura. Aye
We will now
move on to item number 16 which is the resolution number 6448 approving the road maintenance and rehabilitation account fiscal year 2026-2027 project list.
No nameplate for me, but I understand you know me already. Good evening Madam Mayor and Council Members. What is before you is a routine item that I like to call it is the Road Maintenance Rehabilitation Account for Fiscal Year 26-27 And a little history about this particular road maintenance rehabilitation account. And from this point, I'll be calling it RMRA just to shorten that up.
So back in April 2017, the Governor signed Senate Bill 1 which is known as the Road Repair and Accountability Act of 2017. So that Senate Bill 1 also called SB1 increased fuel excise taxes, diesel fuel sales taxes and vehicle registrations fee to address basic road maintenance rehabilitation and critical safety needs for state highways and local streets and roads Of the same year, November, the State Comptroller began depositing various portions of SB1 funding into the RMRA.
And a percentage of the RMRA funding is apportioned by formula. What that means, it's a formula proportion to the local agency's population, hence Population Formula Funds. So it is deposited in an RMRA account by the state controller or portion into this RMRA And not on a reimbursement basis. So in other words, we get this automatically subject to certain requirements of the RMRA and in your staff report You'll see a project list and what is before you in order for us to obtain or to receive, excuse me, the RMRA funding. There is a project list every year that is required for every local agency receiving our RMRA funds to be passed by the governing board or the local board, in this case the City Council. So the project list... I'm going to put it up on screen for the benefit of the public So this is the list that's in your staff report as exactly as shown.
There are two proposed projects for the RMRA funds, namely Carpinteria Avenue Bridge Replacement Project and the 2023 Pavement Maintenance and Rehabilitation project. So these two projects have been on the CIP books for a while And the RMRA funds will not fund the entirety of these projects. However, it goes into the rest of the pot of these particular project funding sources. So for example, RMRA and Measure A and Development Impact Bs would go into or are sourced in the Carpinteria Avenue Bridge Replacement Project In your STAARF report, it shows the particular dollar amount that is going to be apportioned or estimated to be apportioned to the City. And that dollar amount is $368,717. So, that particular amount doesn't sound much but it is a source of funding from the State.
Not federal aid, not federal funding but this is state money that's gonna go into these two projects. Also part of your staff report is the proposed City Council resolution in order to adopt This particular project list and be sent over or submitted to the state controller Excuse me, to the California Transportation Commission or CTC And with that that concludes my presentation pending any questions. Thank you
Thank you. Questions from Council? Just one quick question, in the report there was a mention of requirements for receiving the funding requirements around workforce development and pre-apprenticeship programs how does that factor into is that something that the city identifies or is that something that the project recipients do how does that work
Yes, Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor. I didn't mention those particular requirements. I think I just went to the project list. So let's go back to the staff report. There are four requirements implement by the city in order to receive this RMRA funds. And just like you mentioned, Vice Mayor, one of those are implementing a new or existing apprenticeship training program. The other three is the project list that what we're discussing now as well as reporting requirements. So going back to your question, the pre-apprenticeship training program is a state requirement And that program is specified in all our capital projects.
So any project that basically goes out to bid, those contract documents or the bid documents specify the apprenticeship program of the state. So we are in compliance in that regard.
Yes okay thank you I just wasn't quite sure how that fit in but thank you for the context
Thank you so I'm looking at the list of streets in the 2023 pavement maintenance and And then there's the name up here, oh that's FY26-27. So we don't have enough money to do the 2023 payment maintenance program right now is that correct?
Councilmember Clark through the mayor so what are the Items that's going to be coming to you, your City Council is a special city council meeting the CIP workshop. This is where staff is going to provide you information about capital projects that are going into the fiscal cycle 26-27 So I don't have a definitive answer in terms of what funding are you go into the this pavement project. So this CIP workshop, we're going to city staff is going to inform you all of all the capital projects which includes this project that are going to the next fiscal cycle and identify those projects that are insufficient in funding, and this is one of them.
And this is where we're going to be asking for guidance on how are we going to fund this during the CIP workshop at this time what's before you is basically just approving this project list so that way we receive the RMRA funds
Okay, so we're gonna prove the project list but there may or may not be enough money to fund it. Yes sir. Is that right? Yes sir. All right thank you
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Yeah John I got a couple of questions too on the same list The list that you have here these are basically all the failing ones correct streets that are failing within the city These are the worst of the worst is that correct? This is five-year lifespan currently
Yes, so I pulled up the list of streets that are actually proposed in the project plans. So if you recall this project combines two projects. One is the maintenance portion which is the slurry ceiling and one is the rehabilitation which is the heavy duty type of work. The rehabilitation streets are basically the poor to failed condition streets. And then there's some streets here that are in fair condition, but require attention before it goes into a poor condition.
So these are combination then?
Yes sir. Okay good enough. For example Arbol Verde Street, fair condition that's going to be proposed for slurry seal. Your Viacito streets, Viacito Place, Viacito Road, Viacita Court.
And the reason I ask you that John for public awareness they're wondering some people don't wonder how come their street were passed over for streets that are in good shape? I think it'd be important if we actually categorize or rate each of the streets that you're working with and then give an explanation that yes is the stretch our dollar the farthest I think it's going to be an important part because we're going to get calls from everybody that have a street that's in bad shape and not on this list.
That is a good idea, Council Member Nomura. So in the CIP—I'll make a note of this—in our CIP workshop I will put when we get to that this project, the pavement project, I will note those particular streets of the categories of what's...what is this street? In terms of condition. I'll even explain how we got to that condition so good notes and I will make sure we put them in our CIP workshop
And then the other points I have also, as an example some of these streets are failing due to poor grading and poor drainage. So will those be addressed also if they're going to be replaced? Or if we do see a slurry seal on something that actually has a subsoil failure to it, are those going to be noted in there or are we just going to slurry seal those?
Yes, very good question. And what constitute a lot also the cost of construction is not just the pavement there's also addressing like you mentioned storm drainage deficiencies or subgrade deficiencies so yes for example a slurry seal project we will dig out those areas that are failing like for example an alligator crack Cracking we're going to dig those out and in rehabilitation that's basically the entire street is going to be repaved.
At the same time with the rehabilitation project, we're going to address those drainage issues, subgrade issues. I forgot to mention there's also concrete work which is a sidewalk repair.
I actually have it on my notes too so I'm also looking at tree removal some of these areas that streets are failing because of trees along with curb gutter and sidewalk repairs specifically for those same areas if you're doing those. Because some of them may have curbs and gutters that are substandard to the, say regrading the streets. So you have to try to replace them all?
Yes sir and there's also streets that your council already observed that don't have gutters. And we're going to put gutters not for the sake of putting gutters it's to provide for drainage improvement
And so with that being said and those questions that I have posed forward, we also have a column specific for what is going to be addressed including potential improvements like these or what's going to be admitted. In other words if a street that has no curbing currently is going to get just sealed, I think people should probably be aware that yes, we are not at this time including curb gutter and sidewalk.
Thank you for the input. I'll definitely put these and make sure I have this information when we get to our CIP workshop,
thank
you
I have a sort of a follow-up or clarifying question to Councilmember Nomura. I was curious because I know this list is not the entirety of the 2023 pavement project, how were these streets specifically chosen? Because from what I'm hearing it wasn't because they're the worst Or the or the least worst It was it like a calculation based on this specific amount of funding that we could get or can you explain that to me?
Sure council mentor council member mayor So it's I wouldn't say a long history, but it was before the this body of Council Was here and I would like to say it was gosh probably pre kovat And that's how kind of far away it was. So I mentioned we had two separate projects, 2023 pavement maintenance, pavement rehabilitation. At that time, I think we started in 2019, the guidance from council at the time was to do maintenance one year, rehabilitation the next.
We came to a point where after The sheriff's department contract where we had to re look at the funding source sources and the balances, and then relook at our capital projects in this one in particular. Long story short, basically is this project that you see now the 2020 maintenance and rebuilding is a combination in those projects not because of particular preferences or favorite type of streets. It's really was looking at the costs and balances at the time and what we could afford when we estimated the project And the guidance from the Public Facility Site Acquisition and Development Committee advised staff that we should do some streets from maintenance and some streets from the rehabilitation. Yes, we did cut streets. I don't have a list on top of my head but yes, we basically cut streets for maintenance and then from the rehabilitation And the systematic approach was get to those particular streets that are failed, poor and fair but in the brink of going into a poor condition.
So that was the logic at the time. It was a systematic approach of logically trying to balance cost or the available funding source at the time and cost. So that was a long story short.
By the way, John, Al and I have been around for 10 years before that. Yes,
I was actually looking at these three.
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If I can add on to that too, yeah because we discussed this a little bit on the tours that we got to do and because we will speak about this during the CIP workshop but there might be people watching today that aren't going to be a part of that meeting then. And so the thought is if we have a lesser street that's maybe in fair condition why not trade that out for one that's in a more poor condition?
One of the things is a street that needs a full rehab can cost five to ten times more than a street in fair condition. So you would have to take out say 10 fair streets to do one major rehab and then if you do the math on that, let's say I'm just making this up but if a major rehab street costs $250,000 which is ten times as much Maybe a fair one is $25,000. Well if you have to pull 10 fair ones out and then to do the rehab and then those 10 fair fall out now you take that 10 times 10 and the number can add up really quickly so it's the reason why Cities have to do that tough juggling act and us more than most because of our financial position to alternate between maintenance and rehab. It's a money thing, it's a math thing.
And I think as John mentioned when we first started the thought was is we were going to go from zone to zone to zone. We just had all the money for Measure X. We didn't realize it was gonna all be eaten up and that was a different strategy at that time Getting out of this 2023 pavement project, what we're going to discuss at that CIP workshop is a whole new strategy to approaching this. At this time it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the money and stuff that's been invested into this design and project to try to pull things out and then pay for additional design delay the project even further as costs. go up but I would just want to assure the public that we're going to have to take a whole new approach to this moving forward based on our financial situation and we'll discuss that more at the CIP workshop.
I'm sorry, I have a quick question. Only because we're looking at every single street and I don't know that we've done this in quite some time Do I need to recuse myself because they live on one of these streets? No, I'm fine. Okay. Sorry to interrupt for that question. I just want clarification
Better safe than sorry My question actually has to do with potential including on this list Project sites that may potentially affect street surfaces as an example We have the injection wells going in with the infrastructure for new piping if those streets get torn out we're gonna be Trenching into those and having to research and patch in Wouldn't it be better at that point in time to include those as potential streets for repair for getting part of it done already?
That would be a question John for you
Yes, I believe I am thinking about that answer Councilman
we do you do have the potential map already laid out of the direction and routes of those specific pipelines.
Yes so That those streets that the pipeline for the cover to have come or two advanced purification project have been are identified as And those streets are going to be opened up for the pipelines. So I will be working with the Carpinteria Valley Water District in terms of how we're going to see if we could try to resurface the roadway after the trenching is complete. Right now, we don't have, I don't recall in our conditions approval to resurface the roads for
That is correct, but we're gonna have a lot of patchwork. We wouldn't want to do one of these streets and end up having it patched again Same thing if we could save some money on the street if they're doing Say 1 3rd of it a quarter of it. We may be able to save some money by doing the whole Street
I do know that the streets that are part, or the pipeline that's going into those particular streets have been intentionally left off any city paving because we know this pipeline is gonna be going in. So rather than pave a road and then a new road and then have the trench go in That would look bad as well. So
right now, we may want to include that as part of the project planning just to make a modification if that happens
I don't think any of these streets are included in those, but when we get around to those that's going to be part of that workshop. I imagine it's going to be pretty intense exercise as we go through selecting those next round of streets and there's going to be part of the inputs that we're looking into where else is their work being done around the city? Where there could be some cost savings because of other work and you know a number of things will be considered by your council prior to selecting the next list
The reason I was looking at that, one of the streets pipelines come in from the east to the west right before it goes over the bridge. That would be Linden. If that were to come in on Sawyer where we're going to replace the whole street, that would give us an advantage something to look at. We may want to coordinate that with the water district.
Absolutely. And again, the full council will be a part of that process so we'll have another chance to have this conversation for sure.
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Any other questions? Okay, no questions. There was a lot of conversation and discussion so I just want to make sure there's consensus among the council in terms of at least requests for direction. So maybe John if you can clarify, I think there was just a request for when the workshop comes around to rate the streets individually and then have a column for potential emissions such as the curb gutter is that what you understood as well?
Yes Madam Mayor, I made those notes of what we're going to be presenting in the CIP workshop
I move to adopt resolution number 6448 as read by title only. First and second, all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. And we will now move on to other business which is item number 17 which is the land transfer agreement for the Rincon Gateway property from the Land Trust of Santa Barbara County to the city deed of conservation easement for the Rincon Gateway property by the city in favor of the Land Trust and amended and restated Rincón Bluffs Preserve Endowment Agreement
Good evening again, Mayor, Vice-Mayor and Council. I will do my best to make this one brief. This evening we're asking Council to adopt Resolution No. 6449, approving the Rincon Gateway Baseline Conditions Report and authorizing the Mayor to execute the following documents. The land transfer agreement for the Rincon Gateway property from the Land Trust of Santa Barbara County to the City. The deed of conservation easement for the Rincon Gateway property granted by the City in favor of the Land Trust. And the amended and reinstated Rincon Bluffs Preserve Endowment Agreement.
In January 2025, the Land Trust purchased a property referred to as the Rincon Gateway which consists of approximately 2.4 acres adjacent to the Rincon Bluffs. The Land Trust has offered to transfer this property to the City and the City will ensure its long-term conservation and ongoing maintenance. The resolution before you this evening approves the baseline conditions report which documents the current condition of the property and authorizes the mayor to accept and execute the land transfer agreement, the deed of conservation easement, and the amended and reinstated endowment agreement.
This property will be incorporated into the existing Rincon Bluffs Preserve Endowment Agreement and that endowment agreement will continue to be managed by the Carpinteria Bluffs Endowment Fund Committee, which is a subcommittee of the land trust that also oversees the Carpinteria Bluffs Endowment. I have a few images to provide context for the property being discussed this evening in relationship to the Carpinteria Bluffs and Rincon Bluffs. Please note that these are not technical maps outlining exact boundaries, but are just intended to give a general sense of location.
So first you can see here the Carpinteria Bluffs Nature Preserve which includes viola fields commonly also referred to as the bluffs. Here you can see Rincon Bluffs also known as Bluffs 3 And this shows, I apologize that red line is much more faint than I thought. The approximate location of the property being discussed this evening which is Rincon Gateway.
This one is a better image of all three properties. This can be found on your baseline conditions report from the land trust on page 10 which is one of the many attachments in your staff report Here at the top is a Carpinteria Bluffs Nature Preserve, the Rincon Bluffs Preserve and down here in the yellow is the Rincon Gateway. That concludes my very brief staff report I'm happy to answer any questions And I believe we also have Devin Rothman director of land conservation with the Land Trust of Santa Barbara County available via zoom this evening Should you have any questions for him?
Thank you questions
Yeah How does the endowment work?
Yes, so there are currently two endowments. This property will be folded into the Rincon Bluffs Endowment Fund. So there's a Carpinteria Bluffs Nature Preserve.
The new property doesn't have a separate endowment fund.
That is correct, Council Member Clark through the Mayor. As this property was purchased outright and not as a result of a fundraising campaign which the other properties were there were leftover funds for those properties this was a direct purchase covered all the costs and closing costs and so there is no additional endowment for this piece of property it will be folded into the existing
one. So then do we think we have Adequate endowment to maintain all these properties.
Council Member Clark through the Mayor, I feel confident that we do. This is a small addition to a larger area of you know the 2.4 acres and the endowment fund committee the land trust of Santa Barbara County has been extremely supportive and the endowment payouts each year definitely help the city cover the help with the maintenance costs
This may be like way too in the weeds, so I don't worry if you don't know the answer The endowment fund is managed by the Carpinteria Bluffs Endowment Fund Committee Who's the subcommittee for the land trust do we know who those people are?
Yes councilmember mayor through the mayor. I do I We'll pre-apologize though. I don't have all their names memorized, but I know Ted Rhodes who's here with us this evening is a member John Tilton Christy Boyd Scott Vandekar and Maureen McGuire And I am a non voting member of the committee as well as a city representative
Thank you so much
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Just a couple quick questions. So once the city takes ownership of that parcel, what are the long-term stewardship approach going to be? Is it something where it's passive recreation? Are there plans to have trails or what would that look like?
Yes, Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor. A little bit of all of what you just mentioned so the responsibilities will be similar to what we have for the Carpinteria Bluffs Nature Preserve and Bluffs 3 which is to preserve it in open space. We will plan on folding this property into the larger Bluffs three project which will hopefully define some ADA compliant trails parking lot for Access to that section of the bluffs perhaps a restroom. There's also a few items that we Need to fulfill as part of our agreement with the land trust for the initial improvements fund, you know some donor markers whatnot So our job is really to be stewards of the land to maintain it But you know maintain it as open space so not manicure the coastal sage scrub, but rather make sure the trails are open and accessible.
For those trails that are of decomposed granite and accessible we want to make sure that they're smooth and there's no big you know divots in them after a large rain if a limb falls and blocks the pathway we would move it but if a limb falls in you know the eucalyptus grove we could leave it as it and keep it natural as long as it's not hindering anyone's access or ability or any safety issues.
Great,
okay that was my point question.
Any additional questions?
Real quick there Jenna why would you leave a eucalyptus branch?
Well Council Member Nomura through the mayor that's um a question I don't know that I'm personally qualified to...
Just curious because it's not an indigenous plant and those things help we shed
So what my understanding is, and I can turn to two of our COSMAD members here, is really to keep the natural state of the park. So if it's not endangering anyone or in the way we are to leave things as they've naturally come about. I could defer to Ted or Chair Allen if they have any more eloquent ways to...
The question was that the plans are to remove any branches that fall off a eucalyptus tree rather than removing them.
Are you talking about the Bluffs Preserve? Yes. Yeah, this is what... You know we've gotten in a little bit of trouble with some of the native plant folks but the artists, the Oak Group, Arturo Teo and a number of artists Meredith and Whitney Abbott and so many wanted to, you know, had painted out there for years and loved that windrow so it was kind of a political move to put that into the conservation easement. And we have to explain ourselves quite often to the native plant folks but I explained it by saying A lot of us live here and we blew in from other places. And those trees were brought in, they're now kind of historical. They were brought in as you know at the turn of the century to make railroad ties and proved to be a very bad decision but I grew up...I can live with eucalyptus being out there but they are protected by the conservation easement and that went through a very thorough process back
then. Interesting. How long ago was it that they did that?
That we approved it? Yeah. Well, we did it before we turned the property over to the city so you inherited it but I do want to point out the city should be really excited about this concept of conservation easements when when we brought this to the city back in 1998 The City Attorney You know, this wasn't done in very many places. It was cutting edge for a private nonprofit to hold a conservation easement on public land. Now it's done quite often but Carpinteria was there once again out ahead on the trail and finally everyone was convinced that this could work and it has been working so you know as long as I'm up here would would it be helpful to give you a little more detail on the endowment committee or is that you want to say that for another time?
I'm
good with that your choice
Sure.
I mean, I can make it very brief but one interesting thing that happened when... I mean, that was part of the deal of the conservation easement is there would be an endowment fund which we raised money for and there would be a management plan. You know, I serve on COSMAP and it's different than other city committees because we required that committee to exist. It was originally the Bluffs Advisory Board.
We required that city to exist in the conservation easement And we decided that Land Trust, which is a great partner with us has much longer history than our new group the Citizens Group. We raised $500,000 for the first endowment but we felt it would be better to have the land trust hold that so we gifted that money to the land trust on the condition that as long as the citizens for the Carpinteria Bluffs still existed that we would hold the majority membership on that committee too Out of respect for our donors to make sure that money was being spent well so three of us are from the citizens board and two from the land trust. And then the land trust trusted us actually to take on their second endowment another million dollars that actually grew to a million dollars we have a second.
And feel free to call me because this is We're all, you know, anyone that's here this late at a meeting is not normal. So none of you are normal. Thank you for your service!
That was my question only because eucalyptus they have a lifespan 150 to 200 years we're almost hitting that point right now first of all and then next the eucalyptus oils actually come out or toxic seeds to germinate that's another thing that's going to affect the native plant growth
Well we didn't predict this drought and you know we used to, the Katie Roberts Gloves Day. You know Katie Roberts was the wife of Matt Roberts who started this thing. We used to have the kids all under the trees there and about four or five years ago we had to stop doing that because these trees were falling over and it wasn't safe so we are cognizant of that aspect
Yeah, and I appreciate you clarifying about the endowment board. The reason I asked that question was to just understand who's stewarding that endowment and if they're local or and like plugged in but it even makes way more sense understanding that it's the stewardship of money that was raised by that and uh, you know There's nothing quite like going out to the bluffs and seeing that fallen eucalyptus tree with all the kids underneath it. It may not be native, but it is certainly part of these kids' landscapes.
So thank you.
And to the mayor, if I may. If you're going to leave the fallen eucalyptus limb and it's not a safety hazard, it's not blocking anything, you're saving money from the endowment. The money would take to cut it up and move it away.
You can make railroad ties out of it.
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Okay any other questions from council? Seeing none, I will open up public comment and we will first hear from Susan Allen. Welcome.
Thank you again for hanging out here with us. Yippee, yippee, yippee. I have the privilege of doing Seal Watch and have since it started and I can't tell you the number of times whether they're locals, semi-locals or visitors from many foreign countries how grateful people are that the bluffs, Rincon Bluffs and now Rincon Gateway have been preserved And it's, after two hours you go home and feel pretty good about yourself and just go oh wow I was involved in that.
And it truly is just a, I want to say a miracle but offers so much in Carpinteria. And then look what happened in my Facebook feed while I was sitting here getting a little bored. Trust for public land. Parks and open space do more than give us a place to unwind, they're a foundation for healthier happier communities. Access to nature improves physical and mental health brings people together and creates more resilient neighborhoods yet one in three people in the U.S don't have a park close to home let's make sure everyone has the chance to feel happiest outside.
Walking the Bluffs on a regular basis, we see people and I don't even know their names but there's that smile, there's someone I talk to regularly just needs to talk I'd never expected that, and that's locals. But I also never expected to run into people from all across the world and thank me profusely for my part and other people's part in preserving the land.
It's a true gift, not just to our community but to anyone who comes out there and gets to enjoy it. So yippee! Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Ted Rhodes?
I'll try to be brief but you know who I am, Ted Rhodes, Madam Mayor and Council. I think I may be repeating what I said out there on Valentine's Day last year. I think a lot of you were out there, it was a great kind of surprise event but I think I speak for not only the Board of the Citizens for the Carpinteria Bluffs, I am the past president of that, but for several thousand of our donors that were involved in the original acquisition is this belief This kind of nature is essential, not only for our children but for us as adults to really be fully human beings. And I'm going to paraphrase a quote from a book that Katie Roberts gave me called The Geography of Childhood, but it inspires us for our Katie Roberts days. But providing wilderness experiences within the urban boundaries, it's as important as schools, playing fields, art centers You know, synagogues, libraries.
It's really essential and if you come out I invite you all to come out on our Katie Roberts Bluffs Day which is actually next Tuesday if it doesn't rain. For a long time our mission as you know at Citizens for the Carpinteria Bluffs has been to save the entire open, you know the entire bluffs as coastal open space. And with this wonderful transfer of the Rincon Gateway Bluffs to the City of Carpinteria for permanent stewardship we are so close to realizing this goal. So I fully support the land transfer agreement of the Rincon Gateway Project from the Land Trust for Santa Barbara County to the city with the accompanying conservation easement. Thank you city, thank you Land Trust and everyone that was involved in this.
Thank you for your comments. David Allen?
Mayor Alcon, members of Council, yes it is a moment to celebrate and as I listened to Susan speaking I was reminded of something I've heard her say more than once which is that we have a responsibility here as stewards of these really unique lands on the coast, to that child from Kansas who comes out here and has never seen the ocean. And can experience these magical places, beach and natural open space on a bluffs which are so rare in you know from here south to Mexico And it's both a wonderful treasure and a responsibility that we have.
To another subject, just as an aside, bit of history. Bostos and I were on the same committee that Ted and others, Arturo and many others were on when the conservation easement was drafted. We worked on and had the vote on whether or not to retain the eucalyptus trees. So here's a bit of history, as I recall, Ted you can correct me if I'm wrong, the eucalyptus trees were saved by one vote.
It was that much. And I was on the opposite side, I voted to remove them so being more of a native species advocate for the bluffs but I understand the rationale they're a bit of California history I remember when I was a child driving down the grade and seeing Camarillo below, and going through that wonderful row of eucalyptus trees that you drove down through for about two or three miles before you entered what was then my hometown of Camarillo. And then finally, Rincon Gateway itself.
Small acreage but huge in what it does to preserve that eastern edge of the bluffs. That's like the cornerstone without which we would have lost so much without that acquisition. What it does is protects not just that 2.4 acres but it now You know, with it you have not just that open space but the open space that will always be there. That is the Caltrans on the bluff and the railroad property on the other side. So the effective preservation with that in terms of protection of views and of the natural open spaces is more than the bit within the whole. So something to celebrate. Thank you.
Quick comment on that one if you wouldn't mind. By the way, on that one there Ted and Dave, you might want to consider this as one of the arguments for keeping eucalyptus trees. That's one of the few stops of the monarch butterfly coming down the coast right now and we are running out a lot of those spots.
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We do not have any more speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Yeah, we do have two Zoom speakers. Our first one is Arturo Tejo. Arturo, go ahead.
Good evening City Council. Yeah, this is Arturo. You see my picture there if you can't see it? That's when I was a young man painting the Carpinteria bluffs. Been doing it for over 40 years and if...
Arturo are you still there? Let's unmute you. Arturo, there you go.
Yeah I've been speaking have you heard anything that I've said?
No we haven't if you can please start over thank
you yes i will so um I wanted to say congratulate everybody on the wonderful valentine's gift that we got on February 14th of 2025. And I want to propose that we celebrate that day each time at the place and have a picnic over there at the gateway, and I celebrate also the name Gateway Bluffs because it is a true gateway from the south to this county. And in many other ways, it's also a gateway.
You know when I paint, I have feelings of transcendence and I think that when people look out to the channel from this place is a moment that really connects you with your soul And I think that it's very fitting that it'll be the gateway not only to our county, but the gateway to the bluffs. The gateway to your spirit and the other thing I said is if in fact I was the one vote to save those eucalyptus then I'm very proud of that because they are absolutely beautiful. They provide a lot And our next Zoom speaker is Devin Rothman with the Land Trust.
Devin, go ahead.
Yeah Hello Madam Mayor members of the city council. I just wanted to say thank you to you all and to all the city staff and the citizens for all the partnership over the years. You know this is coming up on it's going to be pretty soon now here 30 years of a partnership. Since the original bluffs acquisition and now this, this third one. And you know those decades of partnership and the knowledge that we've had such a good relationship being able to work on the conservation of the bluffs with the city and with the citizens over those years allowed us We're excited to continue that partnership and just want to thank you on behalf of all the people at
Thank you for your comments. I will close public comment bring it back to the council for any final comments questions and a motion
I'll move to adopt resolution number 6449 approving the Rincon Gateway baseline conditions report and authorizing the mayor to execute the following documents. The land transfer agreement for the Rincon Gateway property from the Land Trust of Santa Barbara County to the city, the deed of conservation easement for the Rincon Gateway property by the city in favor of the Land Trust and the amended and restated Rincón Bluffs Preserve Endowment Agreement. Second
We have a first and second roll call vote please
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
Show transcript
And I'd like to just say it is late so my energy is a little low, but this is really exciting Milestone for the city and it's just so great to hear How many community members have been invested in this space for so long? And it's really because of you that has gotten us this far So, thank you. And this is really a celebration for everyone big win
Definitely, and I included in that the conservation of the eucalyptus trees. So you got that going for you even though I am an environmental scientist but thank you anyways it's a great idea
We will then
move on to item number 18, which is receive and file the revenue enhancement opportunities report Completed by HDL and consider providing direction to staff on preferred revenue strategies Strategies to address the city's fiscal and infrastructure needs including consideration of initiating community engagement and public education activities related to potential revenue measures
Great. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers. Ryan Kintz, Assistant City Manager here to present this item. So just in terms of logistics for our presentation, just want to let you know I'm going to give a verbal then we do have Ken Duran from HDL who's going to give a PowerPoint presentation going over the revenue analysis itself. Come back to me for a little more to say and then I'll turn it over to the council for questions.
So, tonight's item is part of the City's ongoing work to address long-term fiscal sustainability and to evaluate potential revenue strategies available to the City. The purpose of this report is not to ask the Council to make a final decision tonight but rather to present the analysis that HDL has completed and to receive direction on how you would like staff to proceed with that information.
So consistent with the purpose staff is recommending that the City Council receive the Revenue Enhancement Report tonight, which Ken will provide. Provide direction to staff on a preferred revenue strategy or strategies to address the city's fiscal and infrastructure needs. Direct staff to initiate some community engagement in public education related to said potential revenue measure And then approve and authorize the city manager to execute an amendment with the agreement with Clifford Moss in the amount of $30,000 to increase the contract by $30 for a new total not to exceed of $130,000. And then finally to approve a budget appropriation of $84,000 for the current fiscal year from the Measure X fund for professional services. And I'd like to mention as part of that last recommendation This appropriation reflects previously programmed funding for this effort.
It was actually programmed for fiscal year 27, so it's being advanced to meet the project timelines into this fiscal year so over our two-year fiscal budget that appropriation is revenue or sorry as budget neutral so it's not a new budget appropriation over our two-year budget So as, as outlined in our staff report tonight. This work is a direct implementation of the city councils adopted fiscal year 2026 27 strategic plan specifically goal number four to maintain the fiscal sustainability of the city.
So over the past year, staff has completed several items as part of the general government department structured work program. And the council has been along for the ride on all those so we conducted a voter survey research. We advanced the assessment districts through the Prop 218 process and then finally we had HDL prepare this revenue enhancement opportunities report that's before you tonight.
So together, these efforts were intended to evaluate both cost recovery strategies and broader revenue options that are available to the city. So what's changed? In March, the City completed the Prop 218 process for the Landscape Maintenance District and the Winter Berm District. As the council and the community know, these measures did not pass. As a result there's approximately 1.2 million in annual funding that would have supported ongoing maintenance and infrastructure related services that is now not available. Importantly though the services related to those assessment districts they don't go away we still have to do a lot of those services so they must continue to be funded through existing and limited city resources including the General Fund and Measure X While these are separate funding sources, they are still constrained resources as the Council knows and using them to fund these ongoing maintenance reduces the City's ability to allocate funding toward other priorities.
For example streets facilities and infrastructure improvements so The outcome is a key factor in the decision before you tonight the outcome of that Prop 218 process In addition to these considerations, the city does face broader financial pressures as I outlined in the staff report tonight. It's combined with our stagnating revenues and our rising costs. That's really our biggest issue, but there's other issues as well. So we have the escalation in cost associated with the city's agreement with the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office that continues to present a substantial and growing financial obligation. So for example, the cost for law enforcement services in this fiscal year is 6.6 million that's slated to go up to 6.9 million in next fiscal year And these increases place continued pressure on the general fund, as I mentioned earlier and reduces a city's ability to allocate resources toward other priorities like streets roads and infrastructure improvements.
At the same time, the city is experiencing these rising operational needs and costs across all our departments. For example, we have expanded service levels such as the library, senior services, parks maintenance, and these all are continuing to compete for an increasingly limited pool of discretionary funding both our Measure X and general fund. And this is all compounded by inflationary pressures across all city operations.
And that's compounded now also by increasing gas prices, so the costs just continue to rise for us. So in addition, the city's primary revenue sources as I mentioned have not kept pace with the increasing cost of providing those services. So that's that rising costs stagnating revenues we're just not able to match our costs with our revenues. And then capital costs have also significantly increased as we've noted. CIP, Capital Improvement Program projects consistently exceed historical estimates due to increases in labor costs, material costs and regulatory requirements.
On the infrastructure side, the staff does estimate that the city currently has approximately $8.5 million in deferred street and pavement maintenance and approximately $6.3 million in deferred facility and asset maintenance. So this is a total of approximately, and this is a staff estimate of $14.8 million in deferred maintenance. In addition, as part of our five-year CIP plan the City has approximately $134 million in unfunded improvement needs.
So taken together these factors really do reflect an ongoing structural imbalance between the city's obligations, our long term obligations, our deferred maintenance and our available resources so that's why we're working on item number four in our strategic plan maintain fiscal sustainability So as I mentioned, we have HDL here with us tonight. So to help evaluate those potential options that are before you tonight, HDL was hired by Citi to analyze the range of those revenue tools. Those are the transaction use tax, as you saw in the report, utility users' tax, a parcel tax and potential business license reform. So at this point, I'll turn it over to Ken from HDL to walk through the analysis and the key findings and I'll pull up the presentation.
Okay Ken, take it away.
Is the presentation up?
It is. Oh
okay I can't see it so oh there we go now I got it. Good evening, Madam Mayor and City Council. My name is Ken Duran. I'm with HDL Companies. We're a company that's been around for over 40 years and we assist cities with revenue and tax analysis. And so we were charged as Ryan had mentioned to take a look at four specific revenue opportunity options that the City may have before you.
One of them is the Transaction and Use Tax, which we refer to as a TUT, Utility Users' Tax, which is what we refer to as UUT, Parcel Tax and Business License Tax. All of these taxes All of these taxes require City Council authorization to put a ballot measure before the voters of Carpinteria. And then they require a voter approval for each one of these taxes.
So I'll get into the specifics, if you go to the next slide of the specific taxes. Now that the city does have a 1.25% TUT which was adopted in 2018 And there is a cap on the ability to, um, you know, add a TUT. So the city has a capacity of another quarter cent, um, To reach the 2% cap. So if the city was to look at, um... Adding an additional 0.25% TUT, we estimate that could generate approximately $694,000.
One of the key notes is that we do a resident versus non-resident study, and we estimate that 18% of your transaction and use tax is paid by nonresidents. So that's a consideration that your residents aren't paying the full burden of that increased utility tax So, we indicate that there are a number of cities in Santa Barbara County that have a TUT ranging from 8.75 to 9.25.
So you would be within that range if you increased yours by another quarter percent. So that is one option that's available to you. The next option is a utility users tax And this is a tax on utilities that your residents pay, either residents or businesses. And there's a variety of different utilities that can be charged whether it be electricity gas water sewer telecommunications or cable television.
The city has the ability to determine whether they want to charge this tax on residents only, commercial businesses only and what types of utilities that they can charge them on. Currently you do not have a UUT, but there are 157 cities within California that do have those. And again because there's such a variation of what utilities you can charge and whether it's residential or commercial we estimate That you could generate between $597,000 to $1.6 or 1.7 million annually depending on how you structure that tax.
It's a fairly stable source of revenue. However, because of the changes in utility rates that could change it is somewhat regressive because single family households that are low of lower income higher percentage of their Annual income goes to utilities. So it's a little bit more aggressive for them because they're paying a higher disproportionate amount based upon their revenue, but that is an option for you. The next is a partial tax.
This is a tax that's based upon tax on a specific parcel. It's not property tax based, it would be a fixed tax that would be based upon a specific purpose that would be used for this tax and it was it would be set on the parcel itself and again You have just over 5,100 parcels in the city and it would be a fixed amount. Again it's not property tax based so it's not based upon value so you could set your amount at $75 You know, $200 and you could actually say how much you want to establish that tax for.
And again, the variation of the amount that you could generate is based upon the amount of money that you're going to tax on the specific parcels. So that's a parcel tax. And then the fourth one we looked at was you have a business license tax which probably can be increased based upon different standards. You've got over 1,900 businesses that are licensed within your community Um, you can generate more revenue if you want to increase that business license based upon different models. That are much more equitable than the model that you currently have. You've got a you kind of got a flat rate.
Business tax. If you increase that to something that's more comparable to your peers, which would be more of a grocery seats revenue. You could probably increase your sales tax or excuse me, your business license tax significantly if that's something that you wanted to look at and then lastly just to kind of highlight I talked about that resident versus non-resident report.
As I demonstrated, you have on the TUT side, you have over 18% of your TUT that is being paid for by non-residents. And you can look at your Bradley Burns which is the 1% sales tax. You've got over 39%, which is based upon the Bradley Burns portion of your sales tax. So we're not making a recommendation, we're giving you four options and this is something that you want to talk to your staff about if there's one of those options that you want to pursue.
You know here's the kind of the pros and cons of each one of those so with that I will stop and answer any questions that you might have
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Thank You Ken and then if you wouldn't mind mayor council members I just have a bit more to say and then we'll turn it over to cast questions for the rest of us Thank you so much Ken for that, that's really helpful. So based on this analysis presented tonight and the information provided in the staff report as I mentioned staff is seeking direction from the City Council consistent with the five recommendation actions before you tonight on the staff report. So specifically staff is seeking direction on whether the council would like to pursue a revenue measure and if so which type of measure or potentially combination of measures should be further developed As well as whether to initiate some of that community engagement and public outreach efforts that I mentioned earlier.
If the council does choose to move forward, staff has outlined some tentative timeline for next steps in the staff report. I'll just go over the big ones real quick. So tonight's discussion would provide direction on strategy and whether to begin that community engagement. We would then return in May with more detailed options, including some draft ballot language framework for the council to review.
And then if the council chooses to proceed, then we come back to council again for a third time so it's kind of a three-step process including tonight with an ordinance to place a measure on the November 2026 ballot if the council decides to proceed. So there are several tools available, as you can see. But staff in our analysis and looking at this we do suggest that a TUT is a sales tax transaction use tax does provide a strong balance of revenue potential feasibility and administrative simplicity as well as a reduced burden on our taxpayers with that 18% of outside visitors paying for it However, staff is we really are just looking for direction from the council on how you all would like to proceed.
So like I mentioned we would proceed in May if the council gives us direction with any one of those items tonight and that's it and we're available for questions
For the TUT option, given the amount of percentage they're recommending increasing what would some real-life examples look like for those costs?
That's a great example. So there are a lot of exempted items I do want to mention that so including a lot of stuff that you buy at the grocery store feminine products etc So, it's not your typical everything you purchase. But let's say you go to the store and you buy $100 worth of toys that would come out to about 25 cents extra that you're paying so an extra quarter you're paying towards this for the sales tax again if you're spending ten dollars that's a 2.5 cents so about two pennies in half So that's the actual increase that our residents and visitors would see on their bills.
I appreciate that information because my next question is about, you know we just went through the whole assessment district outreach process and I think maybe one thing we could have Tried to emphasize more was the small amount of the increases So I think it's really good that we're I mean relatively small amount or the increases especially proportionally so I think it's good that where That with this particular option. It seems like it's a very very miniscule amount per not even every transaction, but some specific transactions So but given that we did do a lot of outreach around the assessment districts a lot we try to do a lotta community engagement and Ultimately, we were not successful. What is different about this time around? Because I know residents or property owners in the case of the assessment districts, they just received a request for increased contributions and they voted it down.
So how is our outreach going to be different this time?
That's a really good question, Vice Mayor and through the mayor. So the biggest difference is that the assessment districts were through the Prop 218 process and that process is really legally prescribed process with very specific noticing and ballot requirements whereas a potential transaction use tax measure allows for a broader and more proactive community education effort so the Prop 218 process was really restricted on what we can and can't say. That's a big issue And then also with Proposition 218, the city is required to send formal notices and ballots. And the process is structured around property owners voting not your voter electorate. So it's only sent to property owners and only property owners can vote so that's a big difference as well.
That again had a lot of limited restrictions as well on what we can Share in both that notice and on the ballot itself as part of the prop 218 requirements. So The focus is primarily on explaining the assessment and the methodology in those documents As opposed to the transaction transaction and use tax or a sales tax The city has more flexibility to conduct community engagement and public education For example, we can include clear information about the city's financial condition. Our infrastructure needs as I mentioned tonight and the services that would be supported if this does pass. It is a it would be a general tax if the council wants to go in that direction so as Ken inclined earlier that would require two-thirds vote of the City Council so four out of the five and then it does require 50 plus one vote from the electorate So that's also a big difference as it's just the electorate voting on it, not the property owners.
And this process for the Potential transaction and use tax also would include a lot of community meetings. We would do a ton of stakeholder outreach, informational materials that are sent out, an ongoing communication with residents. The process doesn't start and stop. This is a continuation of our outreach to the community to share with them our financial needs and our financial status and what programs and services are potentially not going to be funded looking at fiscal 28 and what this measure would go towards specifically.
That's helpful to know and I have another TUT related one. In the staff report on what the attachment, there was a mention that the county can also increase the TUT and that would take away our ability to do it. Am I getting that right? Can
you explain
that?
That's correct. And I can... Jenna can also help answer this, but... and so can Ken, but... So there is a district maximum of 9.25. So if the county were to increase their property or sorry, sales tax and they were to add a .25 sales tax that would include the city's jurisdiction, that would take that .25 away from the city. So we would not be able to do an additional transaction and use tax unless we go to the legislature and ask the legislature to increase our maximum for the district as a whole. But that is a huge effort, and it's rarely done from what I've seen only a couple cities have done it.
So that's the biggest difference with this one too is if we don't do this now there is a potential that the county could do it in the future and then that would remove our ability to do it.
And in that case... Can I just do a quick follow-up? Yes please
Ken
One of the advantages of a TUT is you already have a 1.25%
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TUT, so all you're adding is another quarter percent. So it's that your residents are already paying that or in the case of the non-residents, the 18%, they're already paying for that. So at some point the county may You know, reach that cap and they'll use it for whatever purposes they want to. So it's a, an easier sell to your community for that actual additional quarter percent because it's going to go to benefiting the, you know, your local jurisdiction as opposed to the County in general. So I think it's, since they're already paying forward You know, they're already paying the 1.25 another quarter percent it's a little bit easier for them to adjust rather than a UUT or parcel tax or a new tax. It's just kind of increasing incremental the tax that you already have on the books And then not allowing for the county or a transportation district or somebody else to be able to meet that gap.
So from an education standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for you to take advantage of that opportunity.
Okay thank you. No I appreciate that and then just one more question right now so when we're going to be communicating this to the public what should they know Is it going to be able to be funded by this increase? Like, where will that money... I know you kind of said it a little bit but can you just reiterate it?
Yeah. You can expand on that. So, it is a general tax so it does go into our general fund. Measure X is also a general tax so technically our general fund and Measure X are still just one big general fund So this would go into that general fund and then it would be at the full discretion to assign those funds. It's a fully discretionary source, but you could assign that to whatever needs the city has so for example You could take some of those funds or all of those funds and appropriate them towards streets and infrastructure other needs that the city has But because it is a discretionary source, it's considered a general tax and we can't Pre-allocated towards something that would be a special tax and then that we would have those special tax requirements which requires the two thirds vote of the electorate Yeah,
got it. Okay. Thank you very
much. Can I? We can't allocate it for something but we can say in the ballot This will be used for things like the library, police, roads, blah-blah-blah. But we're not saying we're doing it specifically but it's going to be – which it is.
Thank you for clarifying
that. That's
correct. Questions?
Is it time go home?
I don't know. I'm trying to put words around it. A CIP backlog of $133 million, $14.8 million in deferred maintenance including pavement and a 0.25% increase, I mean that's it's only gonna fill a bit but it is not going to get us to where we need to go so I don't know I Don't know don't actually know what I'm asking more just This is like the first of many things that we're gonna need to do I guess
That's
and like I said
Councilmember Mayor, that is you're absolutely right. This isn't the solve-all for the city but it does provide us some additional tools that the council can explore. For example in the staff report I do...staff mentioned some potential funding opportunities lines of credit and what this Potential to UT can do for us is provide that dedicated ongoing funding That could be then used to leverage additional funding To do some big of some of our big projects including, you know streets roads and infrastructure improvements that the city desperately needs So even though it does look like a small amount It can be leveraged to bring in additional funds that we would then use to pay down that debt service
Thank you for framing it that way
I think for me some of the things are well one is with the district assessment districts failing would we just are we put it taking it off the table completely? In comparison to these options that still makes the most sense. Dedicated funding source for the trees and like I feel like I can just, I can continue to justify that a lot more than another TUT that we did back in 2018 because my fear is that we're gonna you know continue to tax the residents and there's going to be fatigue you know And so I'm just thinking of it as a perspective on strategy. And if, you know, we're doing those assessment districts maybe it is a crazy idea and it's gonna potentially fail anyways but I'm curious to know what you all think?
Yeah, I'll let Michael and Jenna chime in. What the assessment districts taught us is that Prop 218 processes are really tough The messaging around Prop 218 is super restricted. There's high risk if we try to go beyond that messaging and then the property owner process, voting process is also really challenging because you have people that are on fixed budgets and they're really looking at their property taxes and they don't want that to increase so the assessment district's process is actually really challenging for those reasons. Um, but there's other avenues that we talked about tonight that I think the council can explore in the future that could address those specific special funding needs that the city has.
For example, the parcel tax is an option. The UUT is an option that this council can use to address those special revenue needs that would cover the landscape maintenance district expenditures and we could frame the messaging and the ballot measure around that versus going through the assessment district process and the Prop 218 process because of those challenges. There's just no doubt that the Prop 218 is tough, every jurisdiction that goes through that has told us that we've pulled I don't, from a staff perspective we definitely don't recommend doing that next year. If that's something the council wants to pursue in the future as we've mentioned before you know the berm one is probably the most likely one that we would recommend proceeding with but like i said there's other avenues of generating revenue That will cover those special revenue needs that just require that voter threshold and just goes to the voter.
And there's more messaging, flexibility, there's more options to communicate the need to the community versus that restrictive assessment district process, Prop 218
process. I'm going to shift to a different kind of question so I don't know if you want to add anything more to that?
I think just the, I'll just reiterate one of Ryan's earlier comments in terms of how to justify these or why is one going to be easier than the other? Or more worthwhile. Going back to the assessment districts as Ryan mentioned They're only paid by or voted on, right? By the property owner and a lot of property owners don't live locally. So there you're asking people who don't live locally to spend more money that's going to go to our community not necessarily the community where they live locally and they see those benefits every day versus something like a tax measure it's the local voters who are voting on that so it's the voters who live here who are voting You know, be taxed so that that money goes back to their community that they live on.
There's also a benefit that visitors coming into our community as was in the presentation that they're going to be paying this additional tax as well and that will benefit our community. So I think that's a good kind of justification there as well
And then so in terms of the TUT if we, if the county could potentially come in and do the .25 but that would also have to go to the electrical electoral vote right? It would still have to go to a vote okay.
That's correct
And then my other question in terms of the business license, because that's also something that business license tax is incredibly outdated at least for our community. It doesn't look like there's a potential amount of revenue?
Not a big pot of gold.
Do we think it's not a big
I can just share some general numbers, but as Ken mentioned in his report too we would have to really do an in-depth analysis on how we structure the business license tax. That's why we can't give you a specific number. The range is anywhere from 500,000 to 1.8 million really depending on how you structure the business license tax like whether it's gross receipts or employee based or however you structure it is really how we can determine how much it'll generate
And how much money out of curiosity do you, do we think if the city were to pursue a TUT and how much money would it cost the city to prepare that?
To get that going, so the outreach staff would be about the 84,000 that I mentioned. And then the rest of the work is staff time and working with the county to consolidate the elections and get it on the November ballot. So Brian, I don't know if there's a cost on your end that you could share?
It would just be staff time and then I believe also if we were to have a measure placed on the November ballot, it'd be approximately $15,000 from
Okay, so we're talking probably over $100,000 for the TOT. Would you say that's approximate amount for any of these potential measures?
Yes, approximately. We would have to dive into those to get a little bit more information specifically from the county on what their costs are but in terms of outreach and education we would use that same approach and it would be that same cost. And then the staff time is already part of what we do day-to-day so that's really not any added cost it's just That's where staff time is going for some of these efforts.
Those are all my questions
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This is a really tough time, you know, we're just You know licking our wounds from the assessment district and and I You know, we may have left a bad taste in some voters. And given the national political situation, the economy is so uncertain and then we got three city council seats up this year. So, I think the utility user tax is a very regressive tax and not just a somewhat regressive tax.
People didn't elect me to vote a utility user tax on them for sure. I think that's out. I mean parcel tax, I don't know. I would go for the sales tax or what they call it here, TUT. I think that's kind of the low-hanging fruit and it's an easy lift for the voters.
I would say based on all of them, the TUT would be the one I would go with. Again, the business license one they did show the cons on that one as the price of the service is going to go up so eventually we're going to pay for that anyways. The TUT with 18% of that coming in from outside area, outside resources and the small amount of it's a good start. I think at least... I'll just interject
really quick just to remind you we haven't listened to public comment yet in case you want to refrain from making any.
No no I'm good with that so anyways that would be the one question and that's the reason why I think that would be probably the most favorable to us. It also puts us on a positive track with the community
Can I ask a quick question about the business tax, license tax? So my quick armchair math is that if the city gets approximately $63,000 now from 1,431 businesses, that's $44. True.
Council Member Mayer, on average that's true yes but it is based off of the employee count so it's a little different some people are 250 some people are 50 but on average that that is correct and I'll just note that for that particular one that $66,000 is barely even covering the cost of running that program staff time staff resources the contract with HDL to maintain those business license tax so it's really not really even paying for itself
That was my next follow-up, was does that even break even to get those taxes? So you answered it. Thank you.
Yeah, and if I could just add really quickly. I don't think that that's necessarily not a good thing for the council to consider for future years with the November ballot coming up in the amount of time we probably want to invest talking to our business community. I think it makes sense too because a lot of the things that I hear and maybe you all here out there is that we don't invest enough in supporting some of the economic vitality efforts and so that's something like Councilmember Clark mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be a dedicated source but something that we could say hey this would be reinvested back in. And then to council member Mayer's point is a lot of these numbers right they come in and they help for a little bit but we know that we have that structural gap that's continuing to grow and so the business tax and potentially reinvesting and the economic vitality of the committee is something that can have like it's an investment that could come back with a stronger return because if we're able to activate the downtown more, the amount of...
we're not just adding a percentage on top of a flat number that stays the same but potentially we're increasing the amount of money that's coming through the downtown so you actually have more activity and the percentage in. Those are the types of I think ideas and things we're going to have to put into play to keep up with this these rising costs moving forward And so I really think it's a good thing. I mentioned it at State of the City, I just don't think that we have enough runway to consider that this time around but I think it's very good thing for us to consider maybe 28. Any
additional comments? I'll go ahead and open up public comment. Nathan Pratt, welcome.
Hello again. I came down here at 621. I got an email. I zoomed on down here and here we are. I would say, well, I noticed a couple patterns. You are using kind of premium national consulting firms. You're paying a premium for that service just FYI in case you haven't been in the consulting firm business very much. On your tax, obviously your sales tax is going to be your little hanging fruit if you do business license tax, anything to do with real estate or parcels is not going to pass as you already found out. Even though I did vote for the tax myself to pay and I think the point I want to make across you guys is you need to create an ongoing conversation with the citizens of this community to get them to support you and to support this city economically.
Right now I say there's probably a crisis of confidence in the city and I think that that's going to be coming, you know became aware obviously with his last vote. And it's something that will take years to overcome so coming up coming to this point now for a tax increase in April for November election. You're late to the party they should have been happening a year ago.
So if you can get squeezed through the quarter percent sales tax that be a win right but you guys need Start this stuff early and really keep it ongoing. In real estate, it's called farming. I know you farm a neighborhood, and you get to know everybody. Everybody knows you, and you grow your business that way. You need to farm the taxpayers of this city. And also, you need to look at your budgeting like why are we paying for a sand berm in front of the property on the beach? Those property parcels should pay for all of it 100%. There should be no subsidization. That's private property. They're getting the benefit. Otherwise they can put in their own seawall and not get washed away.
Things like that, you know? And also all these different assessment districts that don't have increases for 10-20 years. You guys need to build in automatic increasing mechanisms into all this legis... I don't know how you write it up but so they automatically just creep up a little bit every year. People will pay a little bit of increases. They'd rather get a 2% increase a year than getting a 25% increase every ten years.
So, you know there's just psychological ways to approach this that would be beneficial for you and I think that are not being used. These are easy tools very tried-and-true and just takes a little bit of more long term planning So, I mean you're looking at the fiscal health of the city. Obviously you want to drive the downtown T as an engine of economic success hopefully here and I think that looking over...I mean you paid your paying a firm $120,000 to tell you to raise your income tax to your sales tax a quarter percent?
I could have told you that in five seconds You know, I mean, I'm watching some of these consulting studies you guys are paying for and you're paying top dollar for these consulting services. And a lot of the stuff is common sense and there's actually people in the community that could give you this information for free. And every little bit he has to live in this town and pay because it's a rule that city manager has to live in the City of Carpinteria or something?
That costs $40,000 a year Thank you for your comments.
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That really says a quarter to 11. Wow. Good evening, Council. Almost going to say good morning in another hour and 15 minutes. And staff. What I'd like to try to do with my three minutes here is talk a little bit about... I hear about fiscal sustainability but that means managing both the revenue and the expense side. Just going to the public with another option that we're seeing here, the four different options.
It just is going to fail again in the sense of putting it on the shoulders of the residents. I have some figures here that, uh...I don't know where this came from but I'm sure it came from the city here. This graph of general fund and Measure X Fund. So for six fiscal years from 2019-2020 fiscal year to the budget of 2025-2026 revenues grew 36%. But your expenses grew 59%.
So that's where the red line crossed, and now we're somewhere in an estimate of a half a million dollars to a million dollar hole every year. So the statement about a 25 basis point increase in sales tax is not incremental. It's incremental revenues but it's going to just close the gap. That's a structural problem And part of outreach, you have to... I'll follow up on what Nathan said. You have to enroll the public. What drove all those expenses? Break it out by department, break it out by library, break it out by sheriff's, break it out by legal expenses, break It out by the hard work that Public Services is doing, Public Works are doing, Parks and Recs How did those expenses grow and what were the drivers?
Because from our perspective, you're not managing expenses. You're just going to go out and try to do the least painful but I believe the county was thinking about a sales tax increase or maybe it was the city but they backed away from that. So again, I don't know the answers to this, but I think we owe the residents how did these expenses grow? That's all. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Good evening Mayor, Councilman, Councilmembers. Sorry, been a long night. I want to start with a quote by Vice-Mayor. Bottom line is we need to do more. We need to find more revenue sources So as I understand it, the city over a decade ago started looking into that and I've been working on a project for almost nine years that can bring some additional revenue.
In the near future we will release an economic analysis by UCSB's Economic Forecast that studied the cost and the impact to the economy of the construction and then the operation of the first few years of the hotel. If we receive what we think we're gonna receive, and other business people have agreed to and banks are ready to invest, you will receive approximately $1.8 million a year from the operation at a hotel from a combination of sales tax, TOT tax, and the lease operation that we're committed to under our development agreement together.
In addition, your community will receive $46.6 million of general revenue that comes through payment of salaries and that money being spent here and then being spent here and being spent there. So our project is going to be before a planning commission we hope soon and then probably before your council just let you know You have a project that will give you significant amount of money, that won't have the hurdles that you're talking about right now.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Do not have any other speaker slips? Do we have anyone via Zoom?
May I have no raised hands?
Patrick would you like to welcome?
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Thank you, Mary forgive me. I'll fill out a form and I'll keep this brief and it is free to the point earlier so free advice is always good. I wanted to pick on a point that came up several times in the discussion about the various tax opportunities and that is non resident property owners. It's a category that's pretty significant in Carpinteria and if there's a way to target some of this these opportunities either through the property tax approach or the parcel tax approach or even sort of the inverse of the utility use approach is to put a little burden on the people that are taking advantage of, you know, the value of their properties but not contributing through presence if nothing else.
There's also another nuance that I would challenge to think about too is vacant and underused properties. There's a number of commercial properties up and down Carp Avenue even on Linden that are either vacant or certainly underutilized and not contributing through what would be normal, sort of a reasonable threshold of some sort of tax generation. Either sales tax through a retail operation or some sort of viable use of the property. And what they're really doing is just sitting on the value going up and looking for a transaction or a liquidation event at some point in the future. That's not contributing to the community.
So again, think about you know a little bit of nuanced approach Leaning on the non-resident property owners and considering about vacant unused properties.
Thanks And I'll Just double check do we have any one on zoom? I know you mentioned no but that might have changed
I know still no raised hands
Okay, I'll go ahead and close public comment bring it back to the council for any further discussion
One thing I do want to speak to is, I'm glad what's a really big part of this agenda item is this idea of outreach and the type of outreach that we do because I think it's important that the public also understand that sometimes it can be hard to receive information the way that they expect to. But it's also really important to understand we at the city staff and council are putting information out constantly about our budget The budget broken down by department, by category, by staff. It's public information available on the website. We talk about it at meetings.
I think that it's – I would hope that – because this is something I, too, hear when I do my meet and greets. People will say there's no transparency around the budget. The city just – you know, where are the expenses coming from? And the reality is all that information is available and we try to share it as much as we can but I know that it' dry information.
It's not always simple to get through but I just think Part of the breakdown in public, if there is a crisis of confidence or a breakdown in public trust, I think it has to go both ways. The public has to...I would hope that they trust that their elected leaders and that the staff who are working for the city are truly doing our best and are doing their best to help support the city. And I appreciate getting the concerns and the complaints and everything, because people should be able to say what it is that the city should do better. But I also think it's so important for the public to try to see what is being done, to try to help them, and to try to be as accountable and transparent as possible. So I'm just...I really want to say that because it's something that I think doesn't get said enough, that the city and we are working really hard to get information out to the public.
Though we're a small team, we're a small city staff and there's not a lot of resources to do that. So I'm glad that that's an integral part of this discussion today. And so I just wanted to lead off by saying that. Those are my first comments. And then I would just say in terms of the discussion about a specific measure or a specific approach, TUT sounds like that is in line with our time and effort and all of our...
Approach the resources that we have to use to move forward. I like that It's it's not just born by residents unlike of the other options We have seem like they're mostly going to be born by by residents I like The idea of us pursuing this before the county were to pursue pursue something similar that would then take away that option for us and So I thought those would be my kind of my general comments about this
You gonna put that in a motion?
No.
No! Wow. Suffer a little bit longer. All right, I'll do that one then. I move to receive and follow the Revenue Enhancement Opportunities Report. Receive the presentation provide direction to staff regarding preferred revenue strategies which includes or which will be The TUT including initiating community engagement and approving amendment number one to the agreement with Clifford Moss of Outreach and Public Engagement Services.
I'll second
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And I'd like to just clarify so by us approving this, this means we're moving forward with this tax measure or does this mean we're just
moving on to the next step? I just want clarification on that
I'm sorry, I apologize Mayor. I didn't hear that because we were making sure the recommendation was okay.
Yes with this motion I just want to confirm that if we are approving we're absolutely moving forward with TUT or is this just saying we're going to move on to the second step to discuss more about the strategy and You know, you said that there was three steps so I just.
Yeah yeah i can answer that thank you mayor um so this would definitely set us up to proceed with the TUT but the second step is to come back with the ballot language so that the council can review and approve and then that would then be the official motion of the council to then develop the ordinance which is then the next council action to place the measure on the November ballot So this is, Wade got it right. That's providing us the direction to proceed with the TUT to come back in May with the additional information so that the council can provide input on the next step which is eventually placing the measure on the November ballot. So that's
correct. In other words, this is not the formal motion. No. The formal motion to move forward with the TUT will be when As Ryan said, it comes back. You approve the ballot language and request that the county put it on the ballot.
So...
When is the formal motion to hire the consultant? When does that happen?
That's right now. That was part of the motion. Yeah
I don't know if I'm going to, I'm just going to ask this question because this has been on top of mind for me. Is this idea of vacant property tax and unused property second home tax Things that sort of hit two birds with one stone really because we're in this housing crisis. So homes that are sitting vacant, is this a good time for us to put that on the table?
That's my
question. Happy to answer that, Mayor Councilman through the mayor, excuse me. Great question this is something that we've had a lot of questions about previously and we have done some research into it one of the reasons it's not on the list for consideration this evening well there are a couple of reasons One, it's not proven to be we've looked at some other similarly situated cities that have actually gone through the analysis. So something like this HDL putting together an analysis right?
To see how much money would actually get a city and That similarly situated city did not end up moving forward with it because the amount that would be brought in under that tax and the higher level of administrative burden that it puts on staff just didn't really make a lot of sense. Secondly, and more importantly for me as an attorney is that this vacancy tax is what it's called generally is being challenged in other areas of the state. And so it's not something that I would recommend at this point because I wouldn't want to recommend something that could be challenged Well, we want to use it as a revenue measure end up being a Revenue pitfall. I don't even know where I'm going with that but I think you get my point Yeah,
thank you
But great question and I think that's something that a lot of people have questions about I mean It sounds like this is a great You know a great thing maybe one day it will be as the case law kind of works itself out but currently there's just too many bugs
I see this as being more of just a starting point for us. Yeah, for sure. All these things are going to be coming up. This isn't going to solve our issues or problems but it will start it at least and get us going.
I think for me as the I appreciate the motion that's on the table, but I Think there's just and I don't know if staff can speak more towards strategy My concern is that we're gonna invest a lot of money into this and have it fail And I think that'll set us back more than where we're at now. And I I think that there's a lot of merit to creating a strategy with a lot of community input. Because, because I do think we have put out a lot of information but that doesn't necessarily mean it's getting to the people that matter that are going to go to the ballots and vote. So that does not take away from the fact that I do think the city has been transparent. I do think we have talked about the budget multiple times, so I don't want that to take away from being a small team and doing the best that we can but I also think there's still a disconnect with the voters and where we're at.
Because it's an ongoing question. It's not coming from just particular people, it's coming from multiple people that I've spoken with and so there's still a disconnect so I wonder if there's still...I think for me I need more about strategy before we kind of just jump in and vote and say we're gonna start the next time this comes across we're going to be talking about what the language on the ballot
yeah
that's where that's where I'm landing
That's a really, really good input and feedback. Mayor thank you so much for that. I'll just take a step back, you know, the Council and the Finance Committee has been at this for a while now as the council has foreseen maintaining the fiscal responsibility of the city is a big issue and you guys asked us to do that over a year ago and so there's been a lot of work that's done to get to this point as you know mayor being on the finance committee.
The second part to that answer that I wanted to mention that's in the staff report is we're not, as Council has given us direction and the committee has given us direction. We're not making uninformed decisions here either. The Finance Committee did give us direction to do a voter survey and we did enlist FM3 to do that. That voter survey did show about a 75% yes vote for this. So that does show us that the voters do already as of October 2025, they do have support for this and that's extremely high for a ballot measure. Thank you, Ryan.
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To move this forward, in the motion it did include initiating community engagement. Yes. And the report also pointed out the fact that we have a lot more latitude on working with this than we did with the last one. Correct. The last one we did not have the voters making the voting decision. It was actually the property owners. This is completely different.
Yeah, and I think the FM3 assessment and survey stuff because yes, I am on the finance committee was before the assessment district failed. That's
correct.
So I think that it could potentially change the landscape of what voters think.
Yeah, and Mayor if I may you guys still get another crack at the apple here but at the Apple in May. So I think what we can do as part of that next staff report is including with the ballot language weekend really outline a really clear strategy. that is included with our efforts with the Clifford Moss Outreach Consultant. We can outline that specific, we can actually also ask council to provide input on that strategy and maybe you guys can come forward with some of your ideas. That way we can really map out at that time because that's really you guys making that formal decision to proceed. You can map out that strategy help staff map out that strategy include pieces that you guys think would be valuable to really get to that place of a win And then that can be as part of the next staff report.
I Mean to echo what the mayor just said, I feel strongly that The community wants to support specific measurable things that they feel invested in and that's why measure X was so successful and it's because it was community driven and it was community focused. It wasn't, you know just to fill a gap I mean and I think when I think about this it's even the people that are in this room that are willing to be here at 11 p.m have forgotten that the sheriff contract went up by $1.28 million, and that's when that red line jumped. And it wasn't just because of the city's discretionary funding spending going wild.
These contracts are actual dollars that take from everything else. And I think if as a city we can present what the money is for in a very specific way even if it is going to the general fund It's to pay for the police, like the police costs this much and it keeps going up. And we want the police here so we have to pay for it. I think that that's the way we're going to both what was hit that you said a crisis of confidence, I mean none of us are here.
Because it's super fun times on a Monday night to talk about this, but it's because we really care about this place and we want it to be successful. And in order to be successful, we have to do all the things including this decision to find more revenue so And I agreed, okay cut expenses but what? Do we cut the sheriff? How do we do that? That's not even an option. So it's a balance of all the things at the same time but I think that it has to be community driven and messaged truly from the community.
Councilmember Mayer, if I can just speak to that through the Mayor. So I agree with you in the programming thing with the Prop 218 assessment districts there was a terrible disconnect between what folks were receiving right? There are a lot of folks who are like oh well I don't have...I live in a mobile home park and the tree isn't in front of my house or those sorts of things whereas like when Measure X passed in the library I'm Hey, by voting for that you're voting for your streets, you're voting for your programs. And that's just the unfortunate part of that and then it goes to some of the criticism that we've received or constructive criticism from folks that you have to get out in front of these things because there's lines.
on when we're allowed to say certain things and then after certain dates you're not allowed to. And so I definitely take what's being said, and I've already started scheduling meetings myself with people out in the community that I see they're active in social media, and there's folks that are here tonight that I'd love to circle back with and help to to provide information because, you know that I felt like that's really what we needed were some ambassadors out there that were helping to correct misinformation and things like that. And I know that in my one-on-one meetings with this council that you all have committed on some level to doing that this time around not just Because of these tax measures, but just in more general is as feedback that we received when we were doing the assessment districts and everybody showed up not knowing it was about the assessment district.
But thought it was about the Ogden 18 story building and said hey, we'd really love to just come back and talk about these things. And so I know even back then the council was talking about getting out and having more of these meetings and so I've taken that personally myself and have started doing that. In terms of like some of the polling stuff that was mentioned, so it has a lot has changed since we first did those.
I think we knew that it was going to be a tough road for the assessment districts they were barely polling at like 50 or 51 And I think, you know, they came in obviously under that. But even if the polling on the sales tax dropped by the same percentage it would still pass by over 12 percent and so it would have to dramatically drop from where it was before and so just to give any more Confidence in how high that those were and where they fell relative to what the assessment districts fell. And then of course, again back to the connection to the programs I've had several folks that were part of the Measure X library effort and have offered their blueprint to anybody in the community that wants to take up that mantle, kind of to your point about like hey this can't just be us and it has to be people from the community.
Measure X is a perfect example of that. That was done by folks that were supporting the library because the city at some point is not allowed to act as advocates for it and just have to become informational And so when you talk to the folks that were involved in Measure X, they gave me printouts of their door hangers and how they went around to all the doors and put those on there. But again this is community members advocating on behalf of the programs that they wanted to have. And so, you know, I guess I'll put that out there for them. The Friends of the Library folks have the blueprint and are willing to pass that torch on to the next group of residents that are willing to take on that effort.
Yeah, so what's different about Measure X is where's that next group? You know, sure they've got the blueprint. But who's gonna be... What's the group that has a burning cause? Like buy our own library so we can save the library. I mean that was a burning cause and those people were motivated to go out and campaign for Measure X and it won. And so you know, I think it's a lot easier lift for voters than a lot of things but we still We still can't identify, you know a positive thing that it's going to do.
And Councilmember Clark they asked the same question they asked me where is that where is the next group and earlier Councilmember Nomura mentioned how long you two have been kind of doing this and then I look to the left of you and I see you know three of our newer council members that somebody took time to encourage them to run and we've had these conversations during our meetings about just finding Those those sparks in the community, uh you know most recently council member mayor was the skate park and a number of other things that got her involved. And these are things again for the future we've talked about lead academies and things in the future where we hope to really get our community informed about what's going on behind the scenes and in the meantime we're doing more of a of a lighter variation of that.
But no, the question is where is that next group? And then just but they're out there because I see them up there on the dais and just connecting with them about what's going on.
Could I make one last comment here? I heard a comment about cutting expenses things like that. What I've seen is the one point We had an extremely conservative government previous to this. They saved a lot of money, they put a lot of money aside to the point of being a detriment. Now we're looking at deferred maintenance, things that weren't paid for. We're looking at a deficit now because we did not keep up with the cost of living in this community. That's why I think it's important we take a look at this, at least as a starting point. And my last point I would like to bring up is this. We won't solve this tonight. We're going to keep going. We can go till tomorrow or until next week and not come up with the solution. I have in front of you right now, we have a motion and a second on the floor.
It's a starting point. I think awareness has already been reached. And again, like I said, we probably won't come up with all of the potential options we have but at least it's a starting point. So with that I'd like to call for a vote.
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Mayor before we get to the roll call, I'm sorry I missed who seconded the motion? Thank you.
We have a first and a second so we'll do a roll call vote.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 motion? Thank you. We have a first and a second so we'll do a roll call · 1 under review
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I don't know that I can vote aye at this point in time. One of the things I was really missing in this conversation was more strategy, and I think that this is a starting point. And so no for me. Next we have a legislative update
Great, thank you Mayor Alarcon and council members. So there are a couple of things on tonight's legislative update the first is SB 866 which as currently drafted would add very extensive and arguably burdensome homelessness reporting requirements to housing elements One example is that the bill would require, as it's currently drafted, that cities report estimated numbers of unhoused individuals, length of time people remain unhoused, rates of transition to permanent housing and provide the disaggregated data by age, race and ethnicity.
League of California Cities recommends opposing the bill unless it's amended and also recommend sending a letter accordingly. We would agree with that recommendation. So please let us know if you'd like to take no action or you'd like to send a letter consistent with the recommendation.
Yeah, when I was reading that summary of it, I thought that seemed like a pretty clear answer in terms of sending a letter and like your recommending.
I agree.
Great, it sounds like there's consensus there. And then another one that came up recently and is not in the packet so generally just what's in the packet is what is sent over by League of California Cities and so if something else does come up we try to include that as well for your council's information and education. So this one is a proposed rule on the Housing and Community Development Act of 1980, so this act currently requires individuals receiving certain federal housing assistance that they verify they're eligible for those benefits, and it applies to programs funded by U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development or otherwise known as HUD as an acronym So under this requirement, applicants have to provide documentation to confirm their U.S.
citizenship or eligible immigration status and then housing providers such as public housing agencies or property managers are responsible for collecting and verifying this information. The law currently allows households with both eligible and ineligible members. It's known as, it's called mixed status families to receive prorated assistance which means that the aid is just reduced based on who is eligible so the eligible individual would receive the aid even if that eligible individual is married to an ineligible individual or someone whose U.S. citizenship is not confirmed.
So this rule that was proposed this past February, it's titled Verification of Eligible Status Rule and so it would really significantly change these current practices And the proposal would require all household members to verify their status. And if all household members were not able to verify their status as either eligible, having eligible immigration status or being U.S. citizens then those households would be at risk of losing all funding. So in a great number of cases, the mixed status houses would not receive any funding through this program anymore.
So the reason this is being brought to you is because the Housing Authority of the City of Santa Barbara recently penned a letter in opposition to this rule as it's Currently written and there's been a request to bring it before your council If there's interest in having a similar letter written In opposition to this rule. So this
And I can give you a little more context because we found out about it in my housing and homelessness Committee meeting on Friday, and they brought it to our attention. And it's such a burden on these people but just some very quick stats is of the 148 mixed status households in just the city of Santa Barbara It's 252 children and of that 56 of those don't have any eligible adults But I have a 136 children So, it's really shocking and it's not good.
They brought it up Friday and we were able to bring it today.
There is a template letter that can be used from the Housing Authority of the City of Santa Barbara.
Looks like there's consensus. Yes, yes Perfect and then it looks like I'll have to take some public comments. I do not have any speaker slips Do we have anyone via
zoom? And we'll
move on to committee reports inquiries and other matters presented by council members
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I had my housing Housing and Homelessness Committee, and I presented on our housing element and our updates. And it was a great meeting. This is where I learned about this from the Housing Authority. And the meetings actually very productive so I look forward to the next one.
Any other updates?
Yeah that from SBCAG that the new trains definitely happening the first day's May 4th And it's going all the way to San Luis Obispo and down to San Diego. But it's coming through here. I can't remember the times, but it's better times. SBK is also spending $600,000 to provide like first mile transit so you arrive in Santa Barbara how do you get to where you work? So they're going to be funding that and see how it works. It's a pilot for a year.
We'll see if it works. One other thing, I've been asked by a couple of members of COSMAB to change the name of a bluffs parcel that's now called The Farmer Parcel. And they want to change it to something commemorating Vera Benson who was instrumental in working on the bluffs blah blah blah in history and so I don't know what we want to do. There's other staff people that we have that might be more like Nick, more familiar with which parcel that is and everything. But it's something that they would like us to put on the ballot. If there's somebody else that would want to join me on having staff look into that?
I would join you. The farmer parcel is an interesting piece. It's like a triangle if I'm not mistaken, but what it does is it protects the view corridor and it's called the Farmer Parcel now which is... We own it we're not saving it
we're
just renaming it. But how do we say this? It's not like a great big thing, but it's a small but mighty piece of the whole thing which I think is who Vera Benson was. And I think it would be very meaningful. She's still with us and that's
my concern. My only concern would be it's controversial so I don't know if you want to label her or something that she may have not been for. A housing project?
Oh no, it's a...oh wait. It's not a housing project. It's like a tiny piece of land that
got saved. Basically, what do they call it? There's a term for it. It is land left over when you build an on-ramp. Whatever lands left over when you build. Okay, so it's an easement. Yeah, it's a utility easement basically that's not really used for anything or will it be? But we actually bought it or was given to us I'm not sure How that worked. But at one point it was owned by Farmer, Mr. Farmer.
It was in 2009 that it happened. This is a fun fact that I know that.
Any other updates? Do we need to... Was that a request? I just want to make sure
Yeah, well I was looking for another council member that would join me in getting on the agenda someday.
Looks like do you guys have what you need to put it on the agenda with your council members? Okay great any other updates okay seeing none attendance of council members for future meetings
yes
looks like yes and we will officially adjourn the meeting at 11 22 p.m.
Sick.