BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 July 13, 2026

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role7:38

Good evening everyone and welcome to the Carpinteria City Council regular meeting. Today's date is July 13th, 2026 and I will request a roll call please.

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Council Member Clark? Here. Council Member Mayer? Here. Council Member Nomura? Here. Vice Mayor Solorzano? Here And Mayor Alarcon?

We will now move on to a closed session report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:03

Thank you Mayor Alicone, Council Members the council was in closed session for a conference with legal counsel for anticipated litigation for two cases and there's no reportable action this evening thank

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role8:14

you. And if you are willing and able please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role8:41

And we will begin our meeting with a retirement recognition for David Huff, which is our lead maintenance worker. And we will first start with taking public comment. I do not have any speaker slips for this item. Do we have anyone via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role8:57

Mayor, we have no raised hands.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role8:58

So I will close public comments and I'd like to just share a few words So in honor of your retirement and in recognition of over 21 years of dedicated and exemplary public service to the City of Carpinteria, as lead maintenance worker your leadership and commitment have been instrumental in maintaining and improving our streets fleet parks and public facilities. Your hard work unwavering dedication have left a lasting impact on our community and your team. We commend your professionalism, integrity and service to the residents of Carpinteria and on behalf of the City Council staff and community we extend our sincere appreciation and best wishes for a happy and fulfilling retirement. With that we'd like to call David Huff to the podium

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed10:01

Well, thank you. It's been a great run. I love the city, how we grew up here. My family has grown up here. I currently live in Ventura of course but the city outpriced me. But it's been a great job and I've worked with a lot of great people throughout the years and I appreciate it.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role10:24

Well we appreciate you, thank you so much for all those years of dedicated service to our community. Would anyone else like to share a few words?

CommentRecreation MonthProposed10:32

I just join in thanking you for what you've done it shows that the city has a special place in its heart for you and you have a special place in your heart for the city and that's so special for us to have.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role10:44

And we'd love to present this plaque and take a photo with you.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed10:47

Okay.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role10:48

I'll ask the rest of the council to join me

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed11:10

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed11:38

All right, looking great. One, two, three!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed12:07

Mayor, if it's okay do you mind if I share a few words as well? Absolutely. We had some information that's been shared already but wanted to speak to a few things specifically that David did during his time here so it's a privilege to recognize David Huff he retired here on June 12th as you mentioned after several years of dedicated service here. He did grow up in Carpinteria and also was a graduate of Carpinteria High School And throughout his career, he served both the city and then the Carpinteria Valley Water District before returning back to the city where he spent the remainder of his career serving the community where he was raised.

During this time with the city, he served as both a maintenance worker and a lead maintenance worker He became known for his extensive knowledge, strong work ethic and willingness to do whatever was needed to keep city operations running smoothly. One of David's most significant contributions came during the transition between public work supervisors when he stepped up to serve as the interim public works supervisor. During that period, he provided steady leadership and helped ensure continuity of operations while the city worked through that transition.

David brought a tremendous amount of experience to the Public Works Department, whether operating heavy equipment, performing concrete repairs, maintaining city facilities and landscapes or responding to emergencies. He could always be counted on to get the job done. Just as importantly he shared that knowledge with all of our newer employees helping to train and mentor the next generation of our Public Works team Those who work with David valued his experience, professionalism and commitment to public service. His contributions have had a lasting impact on both the organization and the community. Outside of work, David enjoys spending time with his family. He and his wife as he mentioned lived in Ventura and have three sons and two grandchildren.

He also enjoys riding his motorcycle And we hope retirement provides plenty of opportunities to spend with his family, enjoy the open road and pursue the things that he enjoys most. David on behalf of the city, all the fellow employees here and the residents of Carpinteria I want to thank you again for your many years of service and congratulate you on your well-earned retirement and wish you and your family many years of health happiness and new adventures. Thank you sir

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role14:37

We will now move on to a proclamation designating July 2026 as Park and Recreation Month in the City of Carpinteria. I will open up public comment for this item, I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role14:51

The Mayor, we have no raised hands.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role14:52

I will close public comment and bring it back to the Council for a motion.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed14:57

I move to adopt the proclamation of the City Council designating July 2026 as Park and Recreation Month in the City of Carpinteria.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role15:07

You have a first, do we have a second? Second. We have a first and a second all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed none motion passes and we will begin reading the proclamation with council member Mayer

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed15:18

Whereas Parks and Recreation is an integral part of communities throughout the country, including the City of Carpinteria, and promotes health and wellness by improving both physical and mental well-being. And whereas

CommentRecreation MonthProposed15:30

spending time in nature positively impacts mental health by increasing cognitive performance and overall well-being while helping to alleviate conditions such as depression attention deficit disorders and Alzheimer's disease.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role15:43

Whereas community parks encourage physical activity by providing space for sports, hiking trails, swimming pools and other amenities that support active lifestyles.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed15:54

Whereas recreational programming and educational activities such as out of school programs, youth sports and environmental education are critical to the healthy development of children and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed16:05

youth. And whereas the Parks and Recreation Services contribute to economic vitality by increasing property values expanding local tax base supporting tourism aiding business retention and reducing crime and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed16:20

Whereas Parks and Recreation is fundamental to the overall well-being and quality of life of the Carpinteria community, end.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed16:28

Whereas Parks and Natural Areas preserve the ecological beauty of the community and offer residents of all ages opportunities to connect with nature and enjoy the outdoors, end.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role16:38

Whereas the U.S. House of Representatives has designated July as Parks and Recreation Month, end

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed16:44

Whereas the City of Carpinteria Whereas the City of Carpinteria recognizes and celebrates the benefits derived from its park and recreation resources.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role16:54

Now therefore, the City Council of the City of Carpinteria hereby proclaims July 2026 as Parks and Recreation Month in the City of Carpinteria. I will now ask for a representative of the city to share a few words

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed17:10

Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council. Thank you so much for this proclamation recognizing July as Parks and Recreation Month. On behalf of our entire parks recreation and community services department we truly appreciate your continued support and the recognition of the work that we do While this proclamation highlights the importance of parks and recreation, I'd like to take a moment to recognize the incredible people behind these services.

I have the absolute privilege of working alongside an amazing team that show up every day committed to serving this community. Whether it's maintaining our parks and our beaches, teaching swim lessons, protecting our coastline, welcoming families at the library, supporting our older adults through AgeWell, coordinating recreation programs and events or handling all the behind-the-scenes work that keeps everything running each member of our team plays an important role in making Carpinteria such a special place to live work and play.

Parks and Recreation are about so much more than facilities and programs. They're about creating places where families can make memories, children learn and grow, neighbors connect, and everyone has the opportunity to be active healthy and engaged in their community I want to thank you, the City Council for your continued investment in our department and for truly recognizing the value these services bring to our residents. Your support allows our team to continue enhancing the quality of life for everyone in Carpinteria. And finally to my team here behind me Thank you all so much for your passion and your hard work and your dedication. This proclamation is a reflection of everything that you all do throughout the year, and I just could not be more proud to work alongside them.

So thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role19:07

Would you like to invite your team up for a photo? Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed19:25

everybody laugh at me. Is it okay if I say quick words? Yes. I just really want to acknowledge Parks and Recreation, you know on Friday we had seven different areas of the state come to Carpinteria Beach for a Junior Lifeguard competition and it was so flawless and so well run but I think the bigger thing is it was such a beautiful way to watch The next generation of our community engage with their city, their open spaces, their natural beaches and represent their community. And something that really struck me was that parks and recreation is the way that people first understand about civic duty when they go to the library and Eric helps them find something, and they feel seen. Or when Lexi teaches a kid how to swim or they walk in the bluffs and they realize that this land is theirs forever.

And I think it really gives people a sense of community but also a sense of community service and obligation. So what you do is such an important role in our city so thank you. And I just want to do

CommentRecreation MonthProposed21:13

a quick shout out to the director of Parks and Rec, Jeanette Gant. I mean you've now been with the city for a couple years and I think that it's safe to say you've really stepped up the game of parks and rec for the city and you have an incredible staff that adores you which again reflects very very well on you so thank you for all that you do.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed21:38

What I'd like to say is Jeanette, thank you for doing an outstanding job. You've done a great job in creating a team behind you that's leadership in itself and it wouldn't have the success had it not been for you building this team and giving them ownership so congratulations.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role21:56

Well thank you and we will now

move on to item number four which is our sheriff's recap welcome chief

CommentDavid HuffProposed · by introduction22:37

Good evening mayor, council members, Carpinteria City staff and the community members of Carpinteria. I have a two-month recap for you tonight so it's going to be a few more cases so may go a couple more minutes longer than usual. With Alpha San Ynez and Villarreal, suspects were stopped for a minor traffic violation and found to be on probation. Deputies found the gun inside the vehicle during the search. Both suspects were arrested on multiple gun charges and booked at the jail.

In the 5500 block of Carpinteria Avenue deputies responded to a dispute between neighbors where one neighbor had a dog off leash and the dog attempted to bite the victim. The owner of the victim's aunt Through a broom at the dog to get the dog from attacking her nephew, the owner came out and struck the victim in the face with an open hand. The owner of the dog was cited for battery and will attend court proceedings.

In the 1500 block of Meadows Circle subjects were seen rummaging through items at a residence. Deputies contacted them as they were driving away and found one had an outstanding warrant out of Orange County for carrying a loaded firearm. The other subject lied about his name to conceal his probation status, the subject with the warrant was arrested and the one lying about his name was cited and released due to a variety of medical issues.

The 500 block of Linden deputies responded to a restaurant for a man brandishing a pocket knife and yelling at the manager The manager directed man to the public restroom down the street. He began to yell and pulled out a small pocket knife from his pocket with the blade exposed, and then left the scene after search of the area. Deputies found the suspect in the public restroom at the Amtrak station.

And this was the same suspect who was arrested for similar behavior in April. And he was arrested again for brandishing and transported to the main jail booked on charges. At 850 Linden, the suspect stole several items from Smart & Final and was contacted by deputies a short time later while attempting to detain the suspect. He fought with deputies causing minor injuries he was ultimately arrested for violations of shoplifting and assault on a peace officer.

On Carpinteria Avenue in Santa Ynez, deputies observed an e-bike motorcycle southbound on Santa Ynez from Via Real along with an e-bicycle. The motorcyclist had a juvenile passenger without a motorcycle helmet and the e-bike rider was a juvenile. The driver of the motorcycle has issued a citation for multiple traffic violations The motorcycle passenger was issued a citation for not wearing a helmet. And the e-bike rider was issued a citation for not wearing a helmet. Just kind of important to note on this one, the e-bike was modified from having pedals to putting pegs on it. I've said many times that pegs, those are e-motorcycles.

The parents were unaware that you couldn't do that. They came, they picked up the e bike and stated they would remove the pegs and put the pedals back on. In the 4800 block of 8th Street, the victim's ex-husband is a restrained person in a served criminal protective order. The ex-husband began texting the protected party which violated the restraining order. Although the suspect did not make any threats in the text messages it's still a violation of the domestic violence restraining order so this case was sent to the district attorney for review 4900 block of Carpinteria Avenue, deputies responded to Brewing Q for a male suspect who left without paying. The suspect was also heard making suicidal statements.

Deputies located the suspect walking northbound on Santa Ynez Avenue overpass. When deputies contacted the suspect he was agitated and swung his leg over the guardrail preparing to jump. Deputies quickly grabbed the suspect and he attempted to punch one of the deputies in the face. The suspect was arrested for public intoxication and assault on a peace officer in Bookton County Jail.

In the 5500 block of Carpinteria Avenue, the suspect was in the middle of Carpinteria Avenue swinging his fist at cars driving by. The suspect then sat down on the concrete rail of the Carpinteria Creek Bridge and fell over into the creek. He sustained some scrapes to his arms and walked out of the creek on his own. He was subsequently arrested for public intoxication.

And at 778 Linden Avenue, deputies responded to a bar fight. Multiple people witnessed the altercation. Deputies returned to the bar to review camera footage of the incident and subsequently spotted the main aggressor walking down the street with several other males. The main aggressor was identified by his clothing and his tattoos from the video footage. After his arrest, his brother was nearby and determined to be identified as another suspect in the crime.

He was also arrested. Both were arrested on felony battery charges and transported and booked to the main jail without further incident, and there's still one suspect who has not yet been located. And for community outreach you have Deputy Cole and myself presented at Carpinteria State Beach to the lifeguard camp regarding e-bike safety and bicycle safety Deputies handed out free slurpee coupons to minors for good behavior, such as wearing their helmet and obeying traffic laws on their bicycles.

And Deputy Sanabria and myself participated in the 4th of July parade where we drove one of our vehicles through the parade. And the chief's message, again remember call 911 for all emergencies and non-emergency number for non-emergencies 805-683-2724. In the past two months we've had four DUIs, four e-bike or scooter traffic accidents. A reminder for everybody that e-bike citations and vehicle code violation citations for bicyclists and e-bikes will be underway very shortly as you saw in one of my entries This is not a secret. We're not, there's no gotcha to this. We're not holding this back. I want everybody to know that this is coming.

So please ride safely, wear your helmet and obey the vehicle code. Your safety and compliance is the driving factor behind this law enforcement approach Again, dogs must always be on leash in public areas. We've discussed that before. No dogs allowed at all on the public beach between Linden and Ash whether tethered or not and no dogs in the Salt Marsh Nature Park period.

I want to remind you to not resist deputies or officers in the performance of their duties. Like when we're making an arrest or while we're on a traffic stop. Often, when people physically resist an arrest or do not comply with lawful commands, additional charges are filed and the chance of someone getting hurt whether it's the arrested person or the deputy increases.

The time to fight the arrestor of the citation is in court and not out in the field. Domestic violence restraining orders, I touched on one of those in one of my entries. If you are a restrained party it is illegal for you to contact the protected party. If the protected party contacts you and you respond or come see the restrained party The restricted party will be found at fault and arrested.

So if you are the person that is restrained and you have a no contact order with somebody else, and that somebody else calls you text messages you, invites you over and you comply with that. You're going to be at fault no matter what that other person did because you are restrained. That person is not restrained. Not a good idea for that person to do that but just know that if you respond to that text message or if you go to that house you'll be violating that restraining order that's from the judge and you will be arrested And then the last thing I have for you is a visual demonstration of we talked earlier about the mailbox, the drive-thru mailbox how they're stealing our mail. So they grab something like this.

They stick it in the slot and it goes like this and now it's stuck down. You can't see this and when you drop your mail in the slot, this catches it It prevents it from going all the way down. And then they'll come back in an hour later or so and they'll just stick their hand and grab all your mail out. So my advice is to walk into, if you're gonna send mail out, walk in and do it from inside the building. Personally I would not use the outside blue box anymore.

And that is end of report. Available for any questions you might have.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role31:40

Questions from council? No, looks like no questions. I do have a question just because it was recent the 4th of July any updates or activities and then i know we had the fair which i spoke with you a little bit

CommentDavid HuffProposed · by introduction31:53

right

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role31:54

nice to hear from the public's perspective

CommentDavid HuffProposed · by introduction31:56

so the fourth of july i wasn't here but i had a team of deputies working in the fire suppression detail we did have Three firework citations and confiscated amount of fireworks, the kind that most of them go up in the air and blow up. So I heard it was very busy. And three citations is not bad considering what we've had before and it takes a lot because there's a lot going on with limited resources.

I'd say we did pretty good, but we did have three citations. And then the fair this weekend at St. Joe Festival went very well, no issues, a good turnout. I know Father Martini was very pleased with the turnout as well so we had a very good turnout. It was good to see a lot of people out there having a great time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed32:43

Mayor, if I could add. So part of the ability to give the three citations this last holiday versus previous years was the City had worked with the Sheriff's Department to assign four additional sheriff's deputies and so the issue that it happened in the past was that our two deputies would get called to a variety of things because they were also assigned to the entire city And so this time we were able to, I think, make some impact by having those four dedicated officers. That's something that the city can consider in the future about increasing that number.

For me, you know everyone to understand including myself as I was out there. I thought okay You have four officers and they're all just going to spread out along the beach But that's you know that not really the way that it happens. They're able to they have to move together There's quite a lot of activity around them while they're giving citations and so they do work as a team in a unit And so understanding that whether it's eight officers or something in the future, that allows them to be in two different places.

We also saw I also saw the increase and fireworks and anecdotally heard some of that was due to it being on a Saturday and it being the 250th but we are also seeing a trend in lot of other cities and there is obviously some news and different things with with other cities in California We're still going to ensure this doesn't become a trend and look forward to bringing back to your council different items, things as increasing fines for use of illegal fireworks or for fireworks period to continue progressing in our enforcement of illegal fireworks here in Carpinteria.

Appreciate what the sheriff's, what the chief did and his team did. And I want to ensure people that we plan to continue that trend in increasing enforcement to ensure that all of our community members are safe.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role34:55

Thank you. We will now move on to a temporary adjournment for the purpose of holding the monthly meeting of the Carpinteria Library Board of Trustees.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role35:04

Mayor, I'm sorry before we get there, public comment for sheriff's report? Yes,

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role35:08

I will open up public comment. Do we have some speaker slips coming for this item? Brian? Yes. Okay. Thank You. Rogelio Delgado welcome.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed35:28

Thank you. Sorry about missing last meeting, I was in Guadalajara. I went back again and I'll go back again soon so I think I'll need the city to pitch in some money. Great job at St. Joseph's Festival. I attended three days and no incidents at all, so that was pretty good. Thank you. Also great job on a daily basis in Carpinteria. I have noticed that deputies respond within minutes. I mean two or three deputies only a day or at night And that's very good. That's a fast response, and I think that you mentioned before that you have full-time deputies as well as part-time deputies.

Question is how many? Is it the same number day time than at night time. And crime-wise, is it the same as 2025 or is it worse currently? Because basically I'm asking you chief because basically what we know is that we are really on the coastal view. Unless you tend to know through some of the meanings that there's some action there. Will it impact the sheriff's response, let's say with one less deputy?

Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips, do we have anyone via Zoom?

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role38:08

Mayor we have no raised hands on zoom.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role38:10

I will close public comment and I'll look to the chief and see if you can just ask or if you can share a little bit about the number of deputies that we currently have in a shift, I know there was some additional information asked but maybe that can be you can touch base with him a little bit later.

CommentDavid HuffProposed · by introduction38:24

Yeah so you have two city deputies both day and night and then you have a senior deputy and a sergeant as well that's kind of responsible for some of carp and some of county And then we have a county unit, you know. We've talked before the county unit will come in if needed and city will go out if needed whatnot but but you do have two deputies and it's the same in the day as same as a night and the sergeant and senior deputy. Great!

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role38:50

And then if you can share a little bit about special events for example St. Joseph's. Was that contracted on behalf of St. Joseph's?

CommentDavid HuffProposed · by introduction38:58

Yes, they contracted us we had six deputies each night so and we break them up in twos for the most part and just kind of try to you know walk in the interior and the perimeter but yeah so it really didn't have any issues and from my understanding recently I don't know how many years ago but there was a fence that went up and ever since that fence went up that's really helped out a lot

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role39:23

Great, thank

CommentDavid HuffProposed · by introduction39:24

you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role39:25

We will now

move on to item number five and have a temporary adjournment for the purpose of holding the monthly meeting for the Carpinteria Library Board of Trustees and I would like to call to order and request a roll call please.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role39:39

Thank You President Alarcon all board members are accounted for

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role39:42

excellent

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role39:43

and noticing for this meeting has taken place

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role39:46

Great, and I will open up public comment. So this is the time for public comments on matters not otherwise on the agenda but within the subject matter of the Carpinteria Library of Trustees. I do not have any speaker slips for this specific item. Do we have anyone via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role40:03

We have no raised hands.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role40:04

I will close public comment and

we will move on to item number four which is the approval of minutes of the regular meeting held June 8th 2026

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed40:13

I move to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held June 8th, 2026.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed40:17

Second.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role40:18

We have a first and second all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed none motion passes

moving on to item number five which is the Carpinteria Community Library monthly report for July 2026

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed40:31

Thank you Mayor, City Council members, city staff, community of Carpinteria. It's my pleasure to report again one more time for this occasion for the month of July 2026 We, in regard of programs we start one more time our summer reading program on June 15. The aim of this summer reading program is to to promote literacy, reducing summer learning loss, encouraging lifelong reading habits and strengthening community engagement.

And as the previous years we are seeing an increase of attendance. We are super happy to see especially young people in the library participating on the Summer Reading Program which is amazing to see. As one of the programs in our summer reading program, we present last month the Magic Workshop and Magic Show. It was very well attended. More than 100 people participated, exactly 125 people in our little library. And we also have the Shumash Stories. We invite a Shumash storyteller, Alain Salazar to share with us Chuma's stories.

It was very nice to see and listen the indigenous history, culture and resilience that expressed through these stories. Also, we have of course our ongoing library programs like still our English conversation group, our preschool story time. Our Carpinteria writers groups, our songwriters workshop, our Babies are the Best program, our Carpinteria knitters group, our dementia caregiver support group, our Carpinteria bird watchers group, our Dungeons and Dragons playtime, our Friday fun sessions and additional information about the continuous and ongoing programs are available through our website.

In regards of collection space improvements, we add new bookshelving in the library especially to expand our adult fiction, non-fiction, adult non-fiction, our Spanish collection so without taking out of the current space for other programs we are adding So in the walls that were before empty or with frames, for example. And we are gaining more space because the demand of our collection is increasing every year and every month actually. And we would like to continue having new books without withdrawing books, because the only way to continue updating our collection right now or before was retiring some books.

So we are trying to fight this space problem. In regards of library outreach, one more time we received a visit of Candelino Elementary School students. We have 58 second grade students before they finish the school. They also interact, they learn actually about our summer reading program. One more time they got library cards. Every kid who didn't have a library card they received one And they learn about our collection, our programs.

In regards of partnerships and grants I have to update you about the Sick Book Program. So the California State Budget didn't concede their funding for the Sick Book Program So the whole public libraries in California are losing that program. So we are going to discontinue due to lack of funding. It was $1 million dedicated to the sick book programs before for the whole state, this money have moved to the library systems. And because we belong to a black gold system, the black gold system is receiving part of that money And we are going to discuss with the other library directors, the black gold what to do with this money. We don't know exactly the amount that we are going to get but probably if we decide we are going to dedicate that money to maybe to organize our own sick book program.

And this coming Friday, all the library directors are coming to our little library to know what is happening in Carpinteria, how we are getting great numbers in our statistics and see how we are managing the collection that is up today. So we are getting at least five library directors. In regards of the California Library Literacy Service grant, the library received an intent to fund notice from the California State Librarian indicating the intention of giving us $25,000 for our literacy program.

So it was subject to the final state budget approval and as of today it was approved so we are getting that fund. And it's going to improve our program greatly. And there are news, as of today I get even better news regarding the literacy program. We are going to get more access to all the resources that are available in California for us, for Carpinteria. For example, the New York Times online. In an agreement with the California State Library every Carpinteria library card holder is able to access the New York Times online once again for free and that's secure for one year and we don't have to pay anything neither our patrons In regards to the staff update, the city librarian attended the 2026 American Library Association meeting in Chicago.

It was a great meeting where I was able to exchange ideas with other library directors and see what is happening around the country in public libraries. Our part-time library technician recruitment, as you know Pauline Nelson is leaving at the end of this month and we actively with the help of Human Resources and our leadership in Parks and Recreation are already looking for somebody else to fulfill that background.

In regards of the library data highlights for the fiscal year 2025-2026, I started working on this data that I have to provide to the California State Library in order to continue getting grants and support from this institution. So I can update some numbers. So I also include the infographic that you can see. We have 5,512 registered library card holders. More than one third of the population of Carpinteria is a library card holder.

Just in one year, we had more than 1,000 new library card holders which is a record. We have more than 80,000 in-person visits. If before we got about to one person every two minutes, we are getting very close to one person every one and a half minute since we opened the library until we closed it. We have 163,000 website visits. Our collection is compromised of 15,000 print materials. We have 61,521 physical materials circulated, checked out or renewed.

We offer 710 library programs. We have more than 10,000 library program attendees. We deliver our services with four full-time employees. And you can see from our infographic that I include, we went up, if we compare with last fiscal year, the previous fiscal year, we went up 24% of library card holders. We went up 19% more new library cards issued in one year.

We went up 12% more in-person visits, and I can continue talking about the numbers but it's impressive to see how this little library is full every day And the numbers are increasing and the space of our library is getting smaller and smaller. I wish we could have a big library, but what I have is a big community and I'm very grateful about that. That's it for me. If you have any questions, I will be pleased to answer them.

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CommentRecreation MonthProposed49:59

Thank you. Any questions from Council? Just one quick question for the zip books program and that's I'm sad to hear that that is not getting funded going forward but how popular was that, how well used because I know that I had used it in a couple people that I know how heavily was it utilized

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed50:15

It was, I can say that it was very well used in terms of that we exhaust our funding very quick. But because the limit of funding, we spread the news about the program but I recognize that not everybody know about the program so it was new by some part of the population It has potential to grow if we have more funding. There is potential to supplement our collection, for example one teacher from the middle school came to the library asking for Korean books that we don't have actually and the reason was because there was a new student coming from Korea There was no material for him in the school, neither in the near around libraries. But because a sick book was there we were able to purchase books for these kids and that's one example of how we can implement this program to help people that usually we don't help and they are not funds for these kind of kids.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed51:34

Thank you and thank you for that example of how it was used here. We appreciate that. Any other questions?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role51:42

No questions. I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips for this item. Do we have anyone via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role51:49

We have no Zoom comment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role51:51

I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for a motion to receive and file.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed51:55

I'll move to receive and file the Carpinteria Community Library report. Second.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role51:59

We have a first and second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes.

Moving on to the next item on this agenda, which is new business and discussion. Do we have any suggestions from Council? No suggestions. And

we will move on to item number seven, which is the adjournment of this special meeting at 620.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed52:22

Erica I would like to give you congratulations for doing such a great job outstanding

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role52:31

And we will now

move on to the next item on our agenda, which is item number six. Which is the City Manager's Report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed52:42

Yes thank you Mayor, Council and community members. I'm going to just touch on a couple highlights from the City Manager's Report as always encourage people to read the entire report. I don't cover every single item and there's also some helpful links in here and I'll be joined by a couple of our of our team to help me with some of these items. So starting with city employee updates, we have our building official position that is still open to be considered for first review applied by Sunday August 2nd.

We also have our engineering technician position that became recently available. We had one of our staff members leave, but thankfully they're still in the community and got a great job at our neighboring sanitary district and so it's always great to keep the talent local And that again is open to be considered for first review again Sunday, August 2nd. And then also our Management Analyst 1-2 this will be in our General Government Department helps a lot with risk management and so to be considered for that also apply by Sunday, August 2nd For updates on development applications, I'll have our Community Development Director Nick Bobroth give you some highlights unless there was any questions on our recruitments.

Great thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call54:13

Thank you, Michael. Good evening Mayor and Council Members. I have just two updates for you this evening on the City Manager's Report. First up, I wanted to share just a brief update on the farm project proposed for the Teatime property next door. Just last Friday we wrapped up 30-day comment period on the notice of preparation. This was the exercise that we went through to request feedback from members of the community and other public agencies and organizations on what they wanted us to look at in the preparation of the environmental impact report for that project We ended up receiving just over 160 individual comment letters on the scope of the EIR.

Most of those came from members of the community, and about a dozen came from public agencies and about a dozen came from community groups. Reading through all those now and cataloging the comments, and those will be used to help inform what we address in the EIR. During that 30-day period, we also held a public scoping meeting back on June 30th, and between folks here in person and folks attending on Zoom, we ended up with about 75 people in attendance and heard from I think 35 speakers there. And so again, we recorded those comments, and we're incorporating those into The feedback received in and we'll look at those in the preparation of the IR And so that's really the next step on that on that project as we start to dig into preparing the environmental document itself.

And Once that document has been prepared and reviewed by staff Then we would prepare it for its own public review and additional public comment opportunity, and that would be potentially later this year if depending on how things go And as always, we're posting all the project information on the City website. The easiest way to get there is to scroll down to the bottom of the homepage under Hot Topics and click on the tile for the Farm Project.

And then also if folks haven't already signed up for our Interested Parties list but they're interested in doing so They can email thefarmproject at CarpinteriaCA.gov and we will add them to the interested parties list so they receive notification of upcoming public meetings and so forth. I also wanted to just give a brief update on the Chevron oil processing decommissioning project.

So you'll recall that over the month of June we had a large barge sitting offshore with a big boom that was cutting up and pulling up sections of pipeline from the offshore waters, so that first phase of offshore pipeline work is now completed. As part of that phase, they were able to remove the entire offshore portion of the former marketing and marine terminal pipeline bundle which was closest to the pier on the north or west side of the pier.

And they also removed the offshore portion of the former Hazel and Hilda Pipeline Bundle which was farther over towards Tar Pits Park. The next phase will be to come back probably this fall and tackle the nearshore portion. So, this would involve the beach cut and then the removal of the pipelines across the Sandy Beach and in the near shore waters. And then probably sometime next year Chevron will be ready to tackle the remaining Gale Grace Pipeline Bundle which is on the south side of the pier closest to the seal hauled out area And that pipeline bundle would be removed, again from the beach all the way out to the state water limit three miles out. So that's a much bigger project. There are some additional approvals and permits to get in place for that one with some of the other resource agencies involved.

That one is going to take a little bit longer. And that concludes my city manager report items unless you have any questions for me?

CommentRecreation MonthProposed58:11

Questions? This is a very quick question. For the Chevron project, is anything happening on the site itself right now or is that not the focus?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call58:21

Through Vice Mayor Solorzano, at the moment the work onshore is on pause while Chevron continues to work with the Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, to get the final approvals needed for the soil remediation work That work's underway in terms of getting those approvals from EPA, and so tentatively later this summer the onshore decommissioning work might be ready to start back up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed58:50

Got it. Okay thank you very much. My question is regarding the Farm Project comments and I was just curious if you could illuminate for the community, I've got this question a few times. What is the expectation, reasonable expectation that the EIR will respond to these comments? Or you said that they're bundled but like is there an expectation that like if someone brought forth a specific question that they should be able to find the answer in the EIR?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed59:24

Yes, thank you. Council Member Mayer through the Mayor. The EIR is in the content supposed to be addressing any environmental impact comments that we received in the NOP scoping period. So although it wouldn't have a direct response, it's gonna go through and say yes you can find this analyzed in chapter 3.4 under biology and that's what is expected. Great that's helpful thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:00:01

Any other questions? No questions, thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:00:12

And then Mayor, I just have one other item for myself before turning it over for our last speaker. So we had a congressional visit to City Hall on July 2nd. Congressman Salud Carbajal and members of his staff visited City Hall, met with myself, Vice Mayor Solorzano and our Emergency Manager Julissa Briones because of the overlap with FEMA and the reimbursements on the emergency management side And just wanted to say how much we appreciate the Congressman and his team for engaging and partnering with us on local priorities.

With that, I'd like to bring up from our Environmental Sustainability Team Tatiana Suriel to talk about our Household Goods and Hazardous Waste Day and our Summer Creek Cleanup.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:00:59

Hi, good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members. Tatiana Suriel, Environmental Program Specialist. Today I'm going to share some brief overview of the City's recent environmental efforts through two community events. So first on Saturday June 13th the Public Works Department hosted the city's annual Household Goods and Hazardous Waste Day in partnership with EJ Harrison & Sons and Clean Harbors. The event served 335 Households threw 446 vehicle drop-offs, which accounts for people doing multiple drop-offs and collected 22.66 tons of household goods and hazardous waste for safe and proper disposal.

Of those roughly 22 tons of waste 34% of participating vehicles brought only hazardous waste, roughly 39% brought only household goods and 26% disposed of both hazardous and household goods. Participation came from residents representing more than 100 streets throughout Carpinteria with Carpinteria Avenue, Via Real and El Carro Lane showing the highest participation.

These outcomes highlight strong community engagement and the continued need for appropriate, convenient disposal opportunities. Many residents expressed sincere appreciation for the city, the event and public work staff laboriously running the event. Next on Friday June 26th, the Sustainability and Environment Division partnered with local nonprofit Carpinteria Beautiful to host a Summer Creek cleanup. Carpinteria Beautiful volunteers removed approximately eight bags of trash And an estimated 200 pounds of litter, including some of our very own city-branded traffic cones from Santa Monica Creek, Franklin Creek and Carpinteria Creek. Helping protect local waterways, wildlife and ultimately our coastline. I'd like to extend our heartfelt appreciation to EJ Harrison & Sons, Clean Harbors, Carpinteria Beautiful, local volunteers and all the staff who made these events a success.

If you're interested in reviewing the full figures and participation data, please see the hyperlinked impact summary included in the city manager's report. And if you'd like to get involved in future creek cleanups, the contact information for Carpinteria Beautiful is also available in the city manager's report. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:03:13

Any questions? No questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:03:18

Mayor that concludes my report.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:03:21

I will open up public comment for this item. I do not have any speaker slips Do we have anyone via zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:03:26

Mayor, we have no zoom comment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:03:27

We'll close public comment.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:03:29

I'm sorry Spoke too fast. We do have one raised hand David Allen David go ahead or it could be Susan Ellen

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:41

Good evening. On July 4th, the City posted a very beautiful picture of our Seal Fountain surrounded by American flags. Sadly the fountain does not look like that. It's in a terrible state and I want to urge Council to find some way to bring it back to that original glory. It is the center of town and Just as a note, the cement portion, the tile portion of the cement was in the city plan but the seal portion was fundraised by the community individuals, children, businesses and it was a gift to you.

And I'm hoping you will just bring it back to its original glory. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:04:37

Thank you for your comments. I will now officially close public comment and just a quick question regarding the steel fountain for staff. That would be included, it would be seen as a capital improvement project is that correct? I've brought up this question before in the past in terms of why isn't it not working and could we repair and at one point in history it was it had succulents in it but I'm curious to know As of right now if we want to make improvements to that fountain, we should include it in our CIP

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:05:17

list. Mayor thank you for that question so it was actually uh it was first thought of as potentially including in our landscape maintenance assessment district so I think it would fall under maintenance ultimately we didn't end up including it in that but I think it was an indication that it would come under maintenance So yeah, it would be just a matter of prioritizing that and getting those funds into the budget.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:05:49

Yeah, quick comment on that one. The seal fountain from what I understood last time and the reason why the water quit working is because of a fracture that was located and the water was actually coming out of the basin itself so it's going to take substantial amount of repair. From what I understand there is a group that has expressed an interest in actually revamping that bringing it back to help the city out with that when as part of a donation to the community which that basically the whole plaza was actually a donated item from a number of people Just as a heads

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:06:21

up. Mayor, if that's the case would be both going to be both repair and depending on the amount of a repair whether it rises to the level of a CIP project or not can't say for exactly sure depending on the repair and then also maintenance

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:06:39

thank you We will now move on to public comment on matters not on the agenda. We have one speaker slip for Susan Malehue, welcome.

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CommentSusan MalehueProposed1:06:59

Good evening council members, city mayor As you know, for over two years the Harbor Seal Advisory Committee was tasked with coming up with recommendations that the city could do to improve the welfare of the harbor seals. We gave you a list of our findings and one of those was a signed program however the important Signs of that sign program were signs to be posted at each boundary of the Harbor Seal Sanctuary.

It was decided that the city should be in line with all of the other harbor seal rookeries in this matter, most of which are under protection of state and federal rangers. We only have two rookeries remaining from Mendocito County to Mexico, where people can actually view the seals in their native habitat. People arrive from all over the world to see these seals from a blufftop overlook with intense disappointment because there'll be no seals in the sanctuary because someone walked through their sanctuary.

Many of the people that walk through the sanctuary are doing so unknowingly because they haven't been told that it's harmful to the seals because the sign is not up. I understand that an elaborate system of signage was ordered by, I believe a firm in Texas or something and it's not ready yet and it hasn't arrived But that's no excuse to let the seals suffer day after day when people who love seals would never knowingly harm them, come walking through and flushing them into the ocean. when they haven't even replenished their oxygen or energy, or were not ready to dive.

So I just want you to remember that these seals are a tremendous draw of tourism to our city and bring in significant revenue from people from all over the world By not having these signs here, we run the risk of losing that revenue. So thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:09:49

Thank you for your comments. Rogelio Delgado?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:09:58

Thank you. I'll make two comments. One, today I was talking to some neighbors and they agreed to support the Carpinteria sales tax increase. My message to the community in general is that the city is asking for our help or support. Let's do it! It would generate $700,000 annually. It may sound a lot but it's not. Groceries, medications are excluded once again.

Groceries, medications are exempt. Good to find out because in general people might think, well it will affect my trips to convenience store, Albertsons or my trips to the pharmacy. No, it's not. Santa Barbara passed this sales tax increase last year. Los Angeles is looking for it on November as well. Carpinteria is looking for the same thing, sales increase to benefit everyone and inflation is also affecting the city. Let's help.

Help the city. Number two, point number two. Notice that on the city manager's public comment, there was a discrepancy on this timing clock and that one in front. Well, this is what happened last month at the school board meeting. Jay Hoschner was speaking and he talked to Monica Thomas. Monica, please tell me when you're ready to...on the clock? The clock started before, six seconds before.

And I don't know if Monica Thomas has the same time as that one but on Monica Thomas' time clock he was deprived of six seconds. I noticed that and I pointed that out to Jamie Diamond and she blamed the city So I told him this is a Brown Act violation. Within three minutes, I know that with you it's not the problem. You're allowed to go over the three-minute mark but not on the board meeting. Over there they believe me, Actually, he was ordered to sit down and threatened by force. So again, Jamie Diamond said that the city is to blame so at the next board meeting I'm going to present the evidence that I have it and I have it because I noticed it's my job to present the evidence to the board of meetings. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:13:28

Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:13:34

We do, Mayor. We have one speaker, Andy Patrick. Andy, go ahead.

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CommentAndy PatrickProposed1:13:43

Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. I live here in Carp. I have two items to chat about tonight very quickly. First the salt marsh. I walk through the salt marsh every day and I want to tell you a little bit about what that looks like right now. Every single one of my walks includes dogs, bicycles, e-bikes that are on the trail and often all three. Not occasionally but literally like every day so as you all know the city's own rules prohibit dogs and bikes and e-bikes etc this is one of the last intact salt wetlands in Southern California it's a nesting ground for migratory birds and home to endangered species And it's also a six foot wide dirt and boardwalk trail shared by walkers burgers seniors children etc and he bike.

Actually, it was five bucks over this weekend that approached me and it was like I was playing. Chicken with, you know, five teenagers on electric bikes moving 20 miles an hour. So anyway, the signage obviously is not working and I don't expect that, you know, the sheriff can have patrols there all the time. And so I wanted to offer a practical fix which is this. I just did some research And there are styles.

They cost about $1,000 each and they probably cost about a thousand dollars to install although I'm not exactly sure on that part. And with two or three entrances that's four to six thousand dollars total. I think it's pretty modest when it's all said and done especially considering that we've spent enormous amount of money creating the salt marsh and tending to it Second is the budget and we all know the city faces deficits, etc. And I started posting some things in social media and people just got excited and wanted me to put it in front of a lot of people. Anyway this may already exist and if so I just don't know about it but I would love for there to be some structured way for us as a city to come together with you City Manager and the staff and the council on creating ideas and getting really innovative.

I've been doing a bunch of research on revenue-creating ideas that, you know, I think they're interesting. A lot of people seem to be interested in them. I don't know how feasible they are but tax is fine but it's not necessarily all that sustainable and I'd love for us to think about a portfolio of ideas if you will. That's it. Thanks!

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:16:26

Thank you for your comments.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:28

And Mayor, that concludes Zoom comment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:16:31

I will close public comment and we will now move on to the consent calendar. I will open up public comment for the consent calendar. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:16:45

Mayor, we have no raised hands.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:16:46

I will close public comment on the consent calendar and bring it to the council for a motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:16:53

I move to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held June 22nd, 2026. To receive and file the warrant register for the period of June 15th through July 3rd, 2026 pursuant to Carpinteria Municipal Code Section 2.08.150F To receive and file the monthly City Treasurer's Report on Compliance with Statement of Safekeeping and Investment of Public Funds for May 2026.

And to authorize the city manager to execute the first amendment to the agreement with Showscapes, Inc., DBA Treescapes to provide landscape maintenance services in the amount not to exceed $111,250. Second.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:17:35

We have a first and a second. Roll call vote please. We will now move on to administrative matters. Item number 11, which is request for waiver of rental and associated fees by Lions Club of Carpinteria for use of the Veterans Memorial Building Veterans Hall.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:18:05

Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council. Before you tonight is a request from the Lions Club of Carpinteria for a waiver of the rental and associated staffing fees for use of the Veterans Hall to conduct community blood drives. As you may recall recently, the Alliance Club initially requested use of the Veterans Hall for three blood drives annually Following discussions with staff regarding the operational impacts, particularly the challenges associated with multiple Saturday events during busy rental seasons. The Lions Club revised its request as a compromise. They're now requesting use of the Veterans Hall for two blood drives per year with a third blood drive to be held in a city parking lot using a blood mobile.

The Veterans Hall rental rate for nonprofit organizations is currently $62 per hour, which includes both the facility rental and the required on-site staff and associated staffing fee. For a typical 7-hour event, the total fee is approximately $434, not including the refundable security deposit. Should the Council choose to approve the request, there are several policy considerations. The Council may wish to determine whether the waiver should apply to both the facility rental and the staffing fees or only a portion of those fees. You may also wish to consider whether the waiver should be approved for a single year, a specified term, or on an ongoing basis.

From an operational standpoint, if the events are scheduled on Saturdays there's the potential to displace existing rentals or programming. Saturdays are the one day available for private rental such as like birthday parties or special events although historical data shows that not every Saturday in the requested months of March and November has been fully booked There's also jazzercise in the hall on Saturday mornings, which would need to be moved to accommodate the blood drive. Conversely if the events were held on weekdays they would impact existing city programming which includes age well activities, the senior lunch program, jazzercise and other community classes.

Because the city's master fee schedule establishes rental fees but does not specifically address fee waivers, staff is not making a recommendation on this request and instead is seeking direction from the City Council. I'm here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Questions from council?

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:20:27

A couple questions about this one. I think it's a great idea for these blood drives to take place in town, it's really important and I want to make sure that our discussion about this takes into account the fact that there are a lot of really wonderful nonprofits in town who I'm sure are also doing important community work. So is there a framework in place for how we consider these requests for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:20:53

fee waivers? Through the Mayor, Vice Mayor Solorzano, not to my knowledge no. The only framework we have in place as to what we're doing this evening to bring it up to you all. Okay,

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:21:04

so that if we were to make a decision here would that be setting precedent going forward or would we in other words? I'm trying to figure out like the fairest way to look at this just knowing knowing that we might get similar requests from other groups too and

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:21:22

Vice Mayor Solorzano, one thing I will add in terms of framework. We do have a non-profit rental rate separate from the regular rates so in terms of like an overall framework it would be that there is a reduced rental rate for nonprofits in terms of setting some sort of a precedent You know, each time something like this comes we would come to your council and you would have a chance to make a decision at that time. As you mentioned there's many nonprofits with lots of great causes and I think that as you approve one you would consider those probably as you review others but don't know that there's like a legal precedent that would be set for you all.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:22:03

And then in terms of the groups that might be impacted that you had mentioned, have they been did they receive any outreach from either maybe Lions Club or from just to kind of check in to see how what would happen with that displacement?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:22:17

Through the Mayor and Vice-Mayor, not to my knowledge no. Currently the only ongoing Saturday rental we have would be the morning jazzercise which would be impacted. Of course, we'd provide them the option to perhaps have their workout earlier in the morning should they wish or we would give ample notice for any rescheduling that would occur because currently the Lions Club is requesting one event in March and one in the first one would be November excuse me and so we wouldn't want to make sure to give ample notice if they were Need to either reschedule or cancel and we would then block off that date so that we would not have any private rentals such as like celebrations birthday parties in advance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:23:03

And if I could just add to that in terms of the way I see sometimes these things are thought of too is, you know, if it was a fundraiser for the organization as one thing. If it's something that serves the entire community is another way to look at it and so in terms of these requests, I've seen those sort of approaches used in the past when being considered.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:23:26

Thank you. It sounds like they're also going to consider using a city parking lot for the third one. And so were they open to having maybe all three of them be in a less impacted space?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:44

Through the Mayor, Vice-Mayor Solis, no. In my discussions they were still very interested in utilizing the hall for the other two. They cited a few reasons if I apologize I don't have them written down I believe The location, they were hoping there would be people walking by. The size of the hall would be able to accommodate more people at once than the Blood Mobile but they were open to doing one in a parking lot and in the past we, the city has hosted the van, the Blood Mobile here in the City Hall parking lot and then also in the parking lot near Seaside Park, the Friends of the Library Bookstore parking lot so I believe we've done that twice in my time here if I recall correctly. Thank you. Those are my questions.

Any other questions? Yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:24:29

a quick comment on this one Lions Club One of the reasons they approach this is because of the fact that not only their nonprofit But they actually have zero profit coming in for this. They're doing this as a community service for us And so that's why I made the suggestion that we take a look at this one A little bit difference from some of the other non-profit organizations is the fact that the other non-profits are, they're charities and they're trying to assist financially with sending other groups. This one here has no income specific to that one but the benefits there's between two and 400 people from what I understand receiving blood from these events so that's why I'm thinking it's important for us to at least consider this as a potential partnering with the community, specifically those that are the non-profits.

They used to use the Mason's Hall, I believe. It was with the Masons. They've lost that portion of it and that's why they came to approach the city to see if in fact the city would be interested in this one. My personal opinion is that because there's no money gained by the organization themselves, that it would be good given the time we have to at least consider this as a possibility. And I think this fits kind of outside of some of the other policies we're looking at, with the nonprofits having reduced fees.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:25:53

Any other comments? I just have a question. How often are nonprofits receiving this reduced fee? I mean how often are nonprofits using the Vets Hall?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:26:06

Through the Mayor, Council Member Mayer. There are two churches that rent our Veterans Hall frequently Wednesday evening Thursday evening and all day on Sunday. The night if I my recollection serves all other rentals are either for-profit such as Jazzercise or private rentals like birthday parties, celebrations or age well programming. So on an ongoing basis it's just the two churches at this point we have had you know one-off reservations from nonprofits but not on a consistent basis you know maybe a couple a year at most thank you

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26:50

I don't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:51

have any questions I have comments but I'll wait to see what the public says

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:26:56

I have a, well just some thoughts. I think that it would be a great partnership to partner with the Lions Club on this endeavor. I appreciate their accommodation kind of in the parking lot and I'd be, I know you mentioned it briefly but having the one year and then kind of reevaluating Does it seem like they would be opening open to that the Lions Club if we did it for one year and then they would, we could reevaluate and see what the partnership could potentially look

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:27:28

like? I believe they would be open to it. They're very understanding and I think that's a reasonable option and I think they would be happy to have the trial. Great

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:27:42

seeing no other questions at the moment I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:27:49

Mayor we have no zoom comment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:27:51

I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for any other questions or comments

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:27:58

I think that this partnership is different than another non-profit using the space to do a fundraiser or something like that because it truly does not, no money is being exchanged. They're not asking for donations. All they're doing is really trying to create an opportunity for people to give blood and I do agree sometimes having it in the center of town on a weekend, that really does, it puts a lot more people It gives a lot more people the opportunity to do so and I think that the city should support that.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:28:35

Actually have another question um you mentioned Jazzercise in the morning what time is the Lions Club requesting to use the building?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:44

Mayor Alicante, I believe they're requesting a start time of 8am. In Jazzercise I will confirm their times but i believe it's around 8 30 to 9 30. I can confirm that in just one moment

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:28:54

okay And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:04

yes, the Saturday jazzercise is 830 to 930 in the morning. Okay great thank you

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:29:13

any other comments or questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:29:15

Yeah I'm happy that somebody is doing this service a very important thing for the community and very happy that we can participate and help out whoever we can

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:29:26

Yes so that actually jogged my memory I'm sorry. Since this does feel more of a partnership, I'm hoping that our the city logo could potentially be a part of their marketing for this event because they

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:40

yeah it's kind of where I'm landing. Mayor Alec and I can definitely bring that up and request that as terms of disagreement if you will.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:29:52

I'm sure, yeah they'd be happy with that part of it. Actually that would be something that would benefit them. The other potential question would be start times. I'm sure their party a little bit more lenient as far as their start time so my thinking is we could probably adjust that will be my guess not being positive but seems to me given from now till November we should be able organize something time-wise

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:30:17

Through the Mayor, Council Member Nomura. That is part of the discussions I had when I met with the Representative Alliance Club. They were pretty adamant about the start time but I'm sure that it's something we could continue to discuss and see if there's a middle ground that we can find.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:30:34

So just from the conversation that we've had right now It sounds like there may be consensus for partnering with the Lions Club free of charge I'm not sure where council members Stand with a one-year or I

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:30:49

would be comfortable with it being a one year pilot Especially because then maybe if within that year other nonprofits come up for the same type of request and then at least will have more Um, data to use if we do decide that we should formulate some kind of evaluation framework for these requests. I think this is a wonderful thing. I donate blood all the time. I'm really pleased that the city will partner with Lions Club on this. I just want to make sure that we're keeping in mind all the other non-profits like Carp Beautiful was mentioned earlier today. There's a lot that do work with the city and I just want to make sure we always keep them in mind. So, I like the idea of the one-year pilot. Is there consensus with council members?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:31:30

Great. And then just lastly it sounds as though we would be in favor to adjust this time so that Jazzercise wouldn't be affected. Yes. That's a great idea. Okay. So would someone like to provide a motion?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:31:51

I move to approve the request for the waiver of rental and associated fees for the use of the veterans memorial building Veterans Hall for one year for the Lions Club.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:32:01

I'll second that with modification and that would be also if you want to include the the Blood Mobile

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:32:09

oh yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:32:11

so there would be three

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:32:12

okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:32:13

two at the veterans hall one with a part

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:32:14

two at the veterans hall and one in a city parking lot with the blood mobile I'll modify my second

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:32:20

Great, we have a first and second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes. Thank you.

Moving on to item number 12 which is consideration of resolution number 6486 approving an appointment to the Architectural Review Board.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:32:36

Good evening mayor and council members there's currently one vacancy on the Architectural Review Board due to the retirement of longtime member Richard Johnson. The city received applications and supplemental questionnaires from six applicants All applicants have been invited to attend tonight's meeting and I believe some are in attendance tonight. Following the presentation, the mayor will open up comment from the applicants if they choose to speak and then the mayor will open up public comment on this item.

Since the number of applicants exceeds the number of open positions each council member will rank their top three candidates using the ranking sheet that you each should have in front of you With their first candidate ranked as one, second candidate ranked as two and third ranked as three. And the council members' rankings will be tabulated and presented on the screen and repeated if there's any ties until we get it narrowed down to the top one.

And that concludes my presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:33:45

Mayor, if I could also add the ranking is purely for the way for the council to narrow down the candidates that you're discussing. However if only one of you were to rank a certain candidate you had information or you'd seen their work there's nothing to preclude you from then mentioning that in part of your discussion and advocating for them. This is purely just to narrow down the council's conversations for consideration.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:34:19

I have a question, so it's great that we have so many applications and since we're only picking one is this something where the remaining applicants like their applications can be active until the next time we go over appointments?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:34:34

Yes, so we'll keep them on file for six months which will be around the time when we do the biennial recruitment. Okay

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:34:41

that's great because I appreciate so much that we got so much interest in this and I want to make sure we encourage them even though it can only pick one today.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:34:52

Do we have any other questions or comments from council members? Seeing none, I will open up the applicant comments. That portion of our meeting and I will start with the first one. Leland Wamsley if you are in the audience, you're welcome to come to the podium and share a little bit about yourself. Would they happen to be on Zoom just in case?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:35:20

They are not Mayor.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:35:21

Okay Michael Ahn Welcome

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:35:34

Good evening, Mayor, Council Members. I am here to just give you a background. Is that what it is? Okay. I have actually gone through the Architecture Review Board myself as an applicant about almost 16 years ago. I believe Mr. Nomura was on the board at that time with a few less gray hair. Just to give you my background, my academic background includes civil engineering undergraduate and graduate degrees in civil engineering and urban city and urban planning from Cornell University.

I have had both private and public experience. I've worked for companies such as Luke Cather Architects, as well as Washington DC's National Capital Planning Commission. And I was one of the directors at the Urban Land Institute in Washington, DC. And I also was a consultant to several of the major federal agencies, especially Housing and Urban Development in their New Towns Title VII program as well as different states including the city of Washington, D.C., and Louisville, Kentucky, and a few other places.

I've also taught, I have some experience in teaching architects and engineering concepts at Cornell. And I taught at the University of District Columbia's graduate program in urban planning. That's my academic and professional background. I've also had some international background but That's my basic thrust of my resume. Any questions?

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:37:56

Questions? No questions, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:37:59

Okay, thank

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:37:59

you. Ildefonso Jojo Fantone. And online?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:38:10

Not online.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:38:12

Steven Zick. Welcome.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:38:23

Good evening. This is exciting for me, only because as of December of this year I bought my home in Carpinteria, San Yanez 40 years ago. I started in Santa Barbara when I graduated from SCI-Arc Southern California Institute of Architecture And started with an architectural firm here, DesignWorks known as DesignArc now. Worked summers sometimes for Barry Burkus and then ended up working for Grant Peterson and Phillips.

And then my career took off and I left The architecture of Santa Barbara and worked overseas for a while. It was during that recession back in 89 where you didn't want to be an architect up here, maybe a waiter. And so it's just gone full circle for me. I'm an architect licensed in California, now retired. I am a landscape architect licensed in the state of California, retired.

BD plus C certification. I'm an environmentalist, I like everything in architecture. I didn't meet my goals and that I wanted to do high-rises as museums but I got basically everything else in. And what's interesting is this drawing right here was when Beneco I don't know if they lease the land or own the land back here off Chevron. Wanted my firm that I was working for down in Santa Monica to come up with a conceptual master plan of what they could do with this property.

And I did, and they proposed it. I didn't propose it but as you know this property back here is so unique to us and nothing has been determined as yet. It will be someday maybe in my period of time, I don't know. And then another project I worked on was in a big huge master plan in Goleta for housing. I feel the opportunity that with all this experience now, that I can give back to my community. I'm now retired. I've calmed down. I can spend time evaluating.

I hope I can educate people with the experiences that I have. I spent many as I say many years in Europe so I believe in our iconic situation we have here The harmony we have here, this is home for me and I want to protect it. But I know that the politics and the expansion that we all need for growth and all that is becoming more and more important and I just want to be a part of that in making the decision.

Lucrecia Graham.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:42:01

And Dana Rosenberg. Not in the audience, but maybe via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:42:12

No

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:42:12

Okay So we will now open up the public comment section or portion of this item I do not have any speaker slips for this item Do we have anyone to be a zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:42:23

We have no raised hands mayor

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:42:25

I will officially close public comment. Do we have any questions or comments from Council before we complete the ranking form?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:42:32

I do actually, if that's okay. Spending 18 years on the Architecture Review Board, I would like to tell the council actually what that role entails. It is an advisory role to the Planning Commission just let you know it's based on making decisions and Comments on design and aesthetics and conformance based on local Architecture and local history. So those are some of the things I suggest we focus on mostly currently We don't have anybody with a lot of extensive architect background So I think having an architect landscape architect will be something that would benefit the current Board so those are my comments

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:43:20

Thank you Okay no other comments or questions. I'll look back to the clerk just to ensure, to reiterate what our next steps are.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:43:29

And just to remember council members please rank just your top three candidates.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:43:35

Thank you Will you be collecting them? Excellent thank you

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:44:21

Let me just input the rankings into the spreadsheet here and see who receives the highest score.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:44:46

Mayor and community members, as these rankings go in there and the score goes up I just want to remind everyone that it's not necessarily the highest score that needs to be selected. Of course the council could choose to do that but this is again just for discussion.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:46:31

Sorry, I had to get a closer look. Looks like Jojo Fantone is the number one candidate

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:46:39

with the highest... I think you got my rankings wrong.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:46:51

Oh. My apologies. Sorry, let me just double check these again. Sure. We'll have just one more pair of eyes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:48:18

review it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:48:52

It looks correct to me but I'll turn to the council to see if. A third set of eyes on

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:49:04

it. Been a mistake on my end.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:49:10

If so and you want to re-look at it, I'm happy to bring it back up.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:49:15

Steven Zick was what I was intending. Right now it's with Graham. Yes exactly thank you. Could you make that correction Brian? Okay, thank you for those tabulations. So it looks like we have Mr. Steven Zick and Mr. Ida Fonso, JoJo Fantone. And I'd be happy to hear from Council if there are certain members you would like to Advocate for or I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:50:15

would just like to make a quick comment. This is not to advocate anybody But Jojo did spend a number of years on the Arctic review board also Leland has also so Just as some background information on it

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CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:50:33

In terms of my ranking choices, I appreciated the candidates who had architectural background whether they previously had a license or practice as architects. It sounds like that's something that might be missing from the current ARB and so having that balance was part of my reasoning. Great. Okay?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:50:59

Yeah. I appreciate what all of the candidates brought to the table, actually. And this is an outstanding group of people and for me the priority was finding a licensed architect that was important to me. Great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:51:19

Okay. Thank you. You know, we're so lucky to get so many applications and really qualified people. It's just amazing. And that's good news and bad news. I guess it's hard to pick. You know, I agree with the licensed architect part but I also am looking at more rounded stuff like if we have architects that say I only like pretty buildings. I don't care about neighborhood compatibility, and so I'm looking for more well-rounded stuff. I think unfortunately JoJo is more well rounded and experienced with the City of Carpinteria.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:52:03

I personally would agree with that. Jojo, when he was interned did an excellent job. He's very level-headed and is not quick to make decisions. He's got roots here married to a longtime family also that's been in Carpinteria for generations so based on that he does have a lot of experience on the development specifically of Carpinteria City

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:52:25

I have a question for Brian. For anyone who isn't selected, can you reiterate when their opportunity to come back up will be?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:52:34

Thank you for the question. Yes, so starting likely in December this year I'll begin the recruitment process for the biannual appointment process for the council's advisory groups.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:52:46

Great and so the people who currently have submitted applications for this item their applications are already there right? So they don't have to reapply is that correct?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:52:54

That's correct.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed1:52:54

Okay I just want to make sure that they know how much we appreciate so much and that this is not only their only shot to be on ARB

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:53:04

And given the two comments that we heard from Councilmember Clark and Councilmember Murr, would you like to put a motion on the table?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:53:16

Okay I'll go ahead and do this one. Poor JoJo, I know he's been wanting to get back on it so with that I would recommend that we select JoJo Fantone to serve as member of the Architecture Review Board of Carpinteria

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:53:33

I would like to commend the way this thing worked out. Having six applicants is amazing before we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:53:42

could barely fill it when we come to the end of the year I've seen times when we've actually had only four applications for the architecture view board Having that fifth one was just kind of figuring somebody that would sign on the dotted line So having this many qualified people, I look forward to seeing what next year is going to look like I think we'll have an outstanding group and even though it's an advisory position That's where everything starts at starts in the beginning. So thank you all very much for applying appreciate it

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:54:19

I'd like to just share and say thank you all for your applications This was a position that I know the council really wanted to fill as soon as possible. It's an important position on an advisory board That really helps the City Council in the city continue to make decisions And I'm looking forward to Welcoming Jojo Fantone to the ARB and again opening up those applications or those board seats in December

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:54:48

Then Mayor, I'm sorry could you also Council make a motion to adopt the resolution number 6486?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:54:55

Yes. So moved. Thank you for modifying it and I'll modify my second. Great we have a first and a second would you like another voice vote? Sure. All those in favor? Aye. Thank you. Okay, we will now

move on to item number 13 which is review of the 2025 Carpinteria home sales prices and setting of the 2026 in lieu affordable housing fees pursuant to Carpinteria Municipal Code chapter 14.75 inclusionary housing requirement and if desired adopt resolution number 6485 as read by title only adjusting the 2026 affordable housing in lieu fee for single-family dwellings

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:55:45

Thank you, Council. Senior Planner Cindy Soutter is going to walk you through this one.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:56:14

Good evening. Sorry, I thought it was going to be open and ready for me. Hold on. Oh here? Okay. I wasn't looking in the right spot. Oh gosh, okay. Okay here we go. All right good evening Madam Mayor and members of the City Council. Sorry about that little delay. Tonight I am here to present the 2026 In-Lieu Housing Fee Report. The in-lieu housing fee is part of our inclusionary housing ordinance And what the in-lieu housing fee is, which has never been taken. Never accepted by your council but it is an option for developers if the City Council does not want the required number of affordable units constructed as part of a housing project then there's a in-lieu fee in our ordinance that they could pay and in place of building the homes But it's at the discretion of the council and like I said to date, the Council has never chosen up the money they've always chosen to have the units.

But we have to do this update every year for the fee so here we are. And this year actually was kind of interesting. So the in lieu fee calculation this year for a single family dwelling is the 2025 median sale price for a home and the median that's the middle number of all the units sold, single family dwellings sold. So that was 1.65 million minus the maximum affordable price. The affordable price of a unit is based on the average median income which is $119,600 this year same as last year And then the price is calculated on what someone making 121% of that AMI with 30% of their income going towards housing cost, is how that works. So that's where those numbers come from.

So you subtract the affordable house and then the, excuse me, the affordable price and then the in-lieu fee is the difference so this year the calculations worked out For $1,042,100 for a single-family dwelling. And then for condominiums the math worked out to be $316,400 so quite a big range there in between the two. The current adopted fees, the last time you changed the fees was in 2023 and that was before interest rates went up. So the fees were higher back then.

Now this year we have a little difference for 2024 and 2025. The calculations did not exceed the adopted 2023 fees. However, this year the single family dwelling fee did exceed the 2023 adopted fee but the price for the condominium did not exceed the adopted 2023 fee so staff's proposal is to Adopt the 2026 fee for single family dwellings but leave the condominium fee at the 316.6 which it is now $200 difference, but still 200 bucks is 200 bucks But for the single family dwelling, it went up by $68,600 this year. So that's a pretty significant increase.

The reasons for the changes like I mentioned earlier, the area median income has stayed the same so that wasn't a factor. So the cost of the housing unit wasn't really a factor. The interest rates decreased a little bit from 6.85 to 6.47 but not a lot to really be a huge impact The affordable unit pricing did increase by about $20,000 due to those lower interest rates but again not a big number.

The median sales price says for single-family homes though this year really went up just the median price went up $125,000 but when you look at the sales data that's included in your documentation In the Beach neighborhood and in Conchaloma, they're going for two plus. There were two that went for four million in Conchaloma just last year so the housing single-family housing market is the prices are going up That correlates to raising the in-lieu fee for that one as well.

So the recommendation from staff tonight is to receive and file a report on the city's home sales prices for the 2025 calendar year, and the 2026 affordable housing in-lieu fees for condominiums and single family dwellings, and adopt resolution number 6485 to adjust the 2026 affordable housing in-lieu fee for single family dwellings only. And that concludes my presentation if you have any questions.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:01:42

Questions from council? Okay, no questions. I have a question so in the staff report it does say that the program currently doesn't apply to rental apartments and it could potentially be a part of the city's current housing element can you share a little bit more about what that could potentially look like and if City staff intend to bring that to council at some point and how that would affect this?

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:02:07

Thank you Mayor Alarcon. Yes, so as part of our current housing element update we did commit to taking a look at our inclusionary housing ordinance and seeing if there was reason to to update that and change our strategies for how we apply it to new housing developments throughout the city. And so we will be tackling that in kind of our next wave of housing legislation updates. As you probably recall right now we're trying to wrap up updates to the accessory dwelling unit ordinance and the density bonus ordinance, and then in kind of the next wave is includes this inclusionary housing ordinance update. And so part of what we'll be looking at as part of that update to the inclusionary housing ordinance is the option of extending inclusionary requirements to rental projects right now.

As you noted it only applies to for sale projects The other change that we could consider is what type of Affordable units we want to target with the inclusionary program. So right now it's targeted towards workforce housing targeting specifically the above-moderate income category, but there could be opportunities to Change the focus to target lower income categories whether it's moderate income low income so on and so forth or even create kind of a A tiered scale or sliding scale where maybe right if a developer opts to build low-income units, then it's a lower percentage. If they opt to build moderate incomes, it's a slightly higher percentage of units that have to go. If they opt to build above moderate, it's yet even a higher percentage something like that so We're not deep into that yet But we've been you know kind of monitoring what some of the other jurisdictions are doing so that when we are ready to tackle that we can Bring that forward probably starting with the city's affordable housing committee and get some feedback on You know where that committee thinks we should go with our approach and then help us craft an ordinance from there

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:04:09

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:04:11

Yeah, Nick quick question on that one. Do you have a time frame on when this second wave is gonna happen? I

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:17

Through the Mayor, Council Member Nomura. I don't at this point only because our immediate focus is to get this first wave of housing legislation done and I don't really want to spread our two-person long range planning team any thinner than they're already spread until we've got some of these things off our plate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:04:34

That I definitely understand would you say a year out less than that more than that?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:40

I think that's realistic. I'm hoping that by the end of this year we'll have made enough progress with this first wave of legislation that we can then start digging into these next round of legislative updates.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:04:53

Thank you, any other questions? No questions from Council. I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:05:02

Mayor, we have no Zoom speakers.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:05:03

I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for a motion.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed2:05:06

I'll move to receive and file the report on the city's home sales prices for the 2025 calendar year and the 2026 affordable housing in lieu fees for condominiums and single-family dwellings, and adopt resolution number 6485 as read by title only adjusting the 2026 affordable housing in lieu fee single family dwellings.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:05:25

Second.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:05:26

We have a first and second all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes We will now

move on to item number 14, which is the conceptual review of a contemplated adaptive reuse project to convert the existing office building located at 6185 Carpinteria Avenue into a mixed-use development containing 20 live work units and 11 housing units. The conceptual project is proposed by Peter Lewis, potential purchaser of the property

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:06:14

Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City Council. I'll be presenting a summary of the staff report for tonight's conceptual project review. The city recommends that applicants request a conceptual review for proposed projects that are large in scope or have unique or particular policy concerns. This gives city decision-makers the opportunity to provide initial feedback to the applicant before they move forward with a formal application.

This item tonight is for the council to give feedback only. A formal project application has not been submitted and no decisions on the project will be made. The project proposes to use the two existing office buildings at 6185 Carpinteria Avenue for an adaptive reuse project. The project would change the interior of the buildings into 31 residential units, 20 of which would be live work units. The units would range from studio to 2-bedroom.

Each live work unit would have an adjacent work or office space accessible independently from the residential unit for visitors or clients. All 20 of the live-work units are proposed in the northern street facing building. About 23,407 square feet would be used for residential space and 3,912 square feet would be dedicated to workspaces. The project proposes to maintain all on-site parking landscaping and habitat area as is This 3.58 acre property is located on the Carpinteria Bluffs. It is zoned MRP, the Industrial Slash Research Park District. The land use designation is RDI, Research Development Industrial. Due to its location, the property is also in the Coastal Appeals Overlay District and is in the Environmentally Sensitive Habitat Area overlay district.

The site is bordered to the west by the S&S Seeds Warehouse and adjacent vacant parcel, and by more business park developments to the east. The two office buildings involved in this project were built in the early 2000s. They are currently vacant but were most recently occupied by a planned member financial. The site sits lower than Carpinteria Avenue and features a semi-subterranean parking podium with two stories above so that the building appears only two stories from the street. These pictures give a bit of an idea of the building's architecture, which the project proposes to keep relatively the same except for some minor cosmetic changes like paint.

This is the existing parking podium with a total of 102 spaces, and here is the location of the main lobby with elevator that provides access up into the building. Here is the conceptual layout for the second floor broken up into residential and live-work units. There's a mix of studios one bedrooms and two bedrooms Here are two examples of the live work units with the attached workspace accessible from the main hallway.

The blue portion would be residential and the yellow portion would be the workspace. There is also a common conference space here in the center that could host larger meetings. And here's the conceptual layout for the third floor, similar to the previous. This floor also has a common conference space. The rear building is proposed as residential only with no live work units.

As I mentioned earlier, staff and the applicant are looking to receive feedback from the Council on this conceptual project idea. To help guide council discussion and comments, staff presented preliminary analysis in four issue areas in the written staff report which I'll summarize here. The first area for feedback is the residential use within the MRP zone.

Mixed use with residential and industrial components is an allowed use in the MRP Zone District with the approval of a development plan. To date, only one project has used this provision, the Lagunitas mixed-use project in the MRP Zone north of the freeway. The MRP zone has required findings to approve a mixed-use project which require that the project rehabilitates existing housing or provides affordable housing, contributes to the job's housing balance, is compatible with existing and anticipated surrounding uses, and shows that industrial is still the primary use of the site considered by either the square footage or the appearance of the development from the street.

The general plan land use element also contains policies about mixed-use in commercial or industrial areas and requires decision makers to consider factors like the density of the proposed project, the availability of infrastructure and public services, any unique site characteristics or impacts to environmentally sensitive habitat area, and potential impacts to coastal resources such as view sheds and coastal access.

Given these policy directives, staff present a few considerations for this conceptual review. While the proposed project would not rehabilitate existing housing and does not include dedicated affordable units, it would offer a unique housing type for certain workforce demographics. The project would essentially present as an interior-only remodel and the building's appearance would remain mostly unchanged. Parking, landscaping, and onsite Esha and trails would be maintained The onsite commercial use is unlikely to interfere with the residential use, considering the small size of the workspaces.

The change in use could impact sensitive habitat as the new residential use may lead to light noise and traffic at the site for more hours per day than the site would otherwise experience as an office park. And the buildings would continue to appear commercial, although much more of the interior floor area would be used for residential than commercial at about a 6-to-1 ratio.

Given these factors, the Council should provide comments on the proposed project's consistency and compatibility of residential use in the MRP zone. Another consideration is the commercial component of the proposed project. In a mixed-use project, the commercial uses must still be an allowed use in that zone district. The MRP Zone primarily allows for R&D labs and offices and larger professional offices such as firm headquarters.

Historically, the City's MRP Zone has contained large corporate R&d headquarters as well as some light industrial and warehousing uses. In the proposed project, tenants in the live work units would need to acquire business licenses which means the use of each workspace would need to fall under an allowed use in the MRP zone. The proposed size of the workspaces may make it difficult to accommodate the allowed uses in this zone or to find tenants that would fall into these categories. The applicant notes the workspaces could be used for businesses like tech software or professional services.

Office workspaces for only one to two employees would be a new direction for the MRP Zone District. However, staff recognizes that businesses are increasingly moving away from traditional large suites and full office buildings. Recently staff has received several inquiries regarding smaller startup or business incubator type spaces Given these perspectives, the council should provide feedback on the compatibility of the proposed workspaces with the allowed commercial uses of the MRP zone district.

The next area for discussion is the siting of residential uses on the bluffs. Currently there are no housing units on the bluffs. With current zoning, residential is an allowed use on large portions of the bluffs where we have PUD and MRP zoning. The general plan land use element reflects efforts made to accommodate residential, in commercial and industrial areas in response to a changing jobs housing balance but supports it only when a particular project and setting are appropriate.

The community design element contemplates development on the Bluffs and notes that its design should protect unique and sensitive environmental resources, should be compatible with the small-town character of the city and contribute to a pleasant visual experience of the area, and should provide appropriate development opportunities for landowners within the Bluffs.

In the past, there has been little support from city decision-makers when housing has been proposed on the bluffs. The Planning Commission and City Council have reviewed two housing projects in this area since 2013, neither of which moved forward. Concerns from decision makers included that in the case of mixed use, the residential component was too dominant for the MRP zone or that residential would intensify the use of the site and create more 24 hour activity And that permitting one housing project here could open the door for more housing, which raised additional concerns.

The concept proposed here includes some aspects that may differentiate it from past projects. This project would maintain the existing building's appearance and footprint instead of creating new structures. It proposes smaller units, from studios to compact two bedrooms, and includes lots of on-site parking. And construction impacts to surrounding Esha may be lessened because the project wouldn't involve completely demolishing and reconstructing buildings.

The council's input on the suitability of this site for housing would be appreciated. And lastly, because the project proposes housing units our housing element and RENA are a consideration. The city is about halfway through its RENA cycle and about 73 of 901 units have been built so far. Projects are counted when building permits are issued. This project would contribute 31 units to the above moderate category and would offer a different housing type that could support business owners.

The council may wish to consider these factors when providing input on this conceptual project. And with that I wrap up the staff report, um i'll leave these four areas for council comments on the screen if it's helpful to guide your discussion and thank you and let us know if you have any questions

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:17:07

Thank you for that staff report. I'll open it up to questions from the council.

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CommentRecreation MonthProposed2:17:13

Sure, I have a couple of quick ones um so right now given what with the kind of interest that your you guys receive about different office building usage in town what are the odds that this property would in the future potentially be used for the kind of larger scale office that formerly was used as?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:17:36

Thank you, Vice Mayor. It's difficult to say for certain. I don't have a lot of market data available in front of me this evening. I would say purely based on the kinds of inquiries that city staff receives we don't see a lot of current interest in these large kind of single company office spaces. We have had more inquiries again for smaller offices, smaller startup type businesses The likelihood of it of this building being leased out again to a larger company Is is impossible to guess but based on trends we have seen it trending towards smaller commercial spaces Okay,

CommentRecreation MonthProposed2:18:17

and then in terms of the I understand that this proposal doesn't have any affordable units as part of it. Is that something that The developer would be interested in including because I know whenever we've had discussions about housing on the bluffs, it includes that affordable housing as a big component of it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:18:38

Thank you for the question. Your council is more than welcome to include that as a comment and as feedback To the applicant it hasn't been raised directly in discussion with the applicant to date But you're more than more than welcome to include that in your in your conceptual feedback.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:18:55

Okay, great Thank you If I may just would add no certainly we can hear from mr Lewis when he comes up to the podium to see what he has in mind in terms of You know the type of tenants who might best suit this place? I would just add that in terms of You know introducing an affordable component to live work units in particular I could see some, you know challenges with that from a practical matter right because Affordable units would be income restricted and it feels a little bit at odds to say, you know we don't want you to get too successful with your business that you're running out of your live-work unit because then you'd have to Have to move out of the unit so there. You know, there's some potentially practical challenges there but if If there was an interest by Mr.

Lewis in dedicating some of the residential only units to deed restricted affordable that might be a more viable path forward

CommentRecreation MonthProposed2:19:48

Okay, yeah because I'd be interested if it's if the project is kind of contingent on just being like market rate housing That would be that would be something that would probably impact how I would think about perceiving it

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:20:04

And I'd like to invite Mr. Lewis up to share a few words maybe after the council goes and ask staff some additional questions. Oh,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:20:10

no more questions?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:20:11

No, some more questions. Council Member Nomura.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:20:15

Thank you. Question for you on this one here being kind of an interesting model being a live-work plan is there a calculation or way possible that you've seen where the income actually is based on Say the income group as opposed to construction or having in inside. I would say this a business model or business plan kind of difficult You've got a living section and then you have a working section. It's a live-work environment Is there any definition or anyway, you could separate that out and have a living? Separated based on square footage from the working condition making it more affordable or making it quote Changing the income capacity of that group so for example if it's inclusive of commercial space, but the area itself would qualify for say low income.

Is there a way that could be adjusted or is it kind of stuck based on square footage?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:21:23

Through the Mayor, Council Member Nomura, I'm not exactly sure if I'm following your... It's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:21:29

a tricky one. For example, the Palm Lofts you have galleries there but that's not considered part of the living quarters even though it might be this one here would be similar to that where you have potentially a gallery there or a working area that would not be always used for living quarters

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:21:49

Councilmember Nomura, suggesting that for example the residential units and the workspaces could be under completely separate leases.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:22:00

Exactly to qualify that for low income

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:22:03

so it would be it would be more of a quote-unquote typical mixed use where the exactly the work units are not directly tied to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:22:12

even though they

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:22:13

are exactly We have not discussed this option with the applicant. It's been proposed as a true live work unit where it would be essentially all one lease, although that is an interesting idea and I encourage you to include that in conceptual feedback to the applicant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:22:36

Thank you. I think they've heard it. Those are my questions.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:22:41

Any other questions?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:22:45

My question is broad and you might not know the answer, but to sort of tack on what the Vice Mayor asked. Do you have any data on the vacancy rates of offices at large in our city?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:23:03

Councilmember Mayor, I do not have that data in front of me right now. That may take a little bit more research than we're able to do. What if you did have it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:23:13

So I get it. But would you be willing to sort of... Wager a guess. Is it like are we at 90% occupied or I mean do we have that kind of data from business?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:23:26

Through the mayor, council member Mayor, I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Lewis has a figure on what current vacancy rates are I can look for it here while we're going through some questions, but I do know that office vacancy is where our highest vacancies are in terms of commercial square footage. Industrial and warehouse type use in particular is very much in demand across the entire South Coast and so we're seeing much lower vacancy rates there but you know the traditional office-type product especially large offices there's just not a lot of market for currently.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:24:02

Okay thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:24:06

Thank you. Two questions, one that I see that we have inclusion of 14 studios wouldn't that be considered units that are affordable by design?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:24:20

Councilmember Clark, affordable by design doesn't have a precise definition to it. I will note that in the project application that Mr. Lewis submitted he provided a rough estimate of what the rental rates for the project could be And the lowest rental rate named was $2,900 per month. I'm not sure exactly where that might fall in terms of being considered affordable by design but I would imagine that certainly the studios would be rented at likely a lower rate than the larger units.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:25:01

Okay, and then what happens in the hypothetical situation where no or only a few of these live work units actually meet what's allowed in the MRP zoning. And so, you know, what happens in that case that those aren't occupied? I mean, what raises this question is where we have one downtown obviously a different zoning but still this commercial frontage thing where we thought we were gonna get a cafe but we got a hotel

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:25:47

Councilmember Clark, so I think I have a couple of initial thoughts. So this is a little bit different product in terms of what's being proposed here then then you know the mixed-use project that I believe you're referring to and that these writer are being presented as Integrated live work units where the living space and the workspace are in our one leaseable You know kind of of unit.

We have a little bit of experience with this in the city elsewhere, so the Palm Avenue Lofts which was owned and operated by Mr. Lewis as being our kind of most well-known example and that has turned out to be a very popular project. I think it's got about 40 units total. I'm going off the top of my memory here And those are in a different zone, it's marketed and limited as more of an artist loft type space. And so there's a list of professions that are allowed in there under that kind of artist definition.

Those folks have to get a business license and demonstrate that they're doing business that fits within that category of working artists to live there. The other examples that we have, which are fewer, are a handful of live-work units over at the Lavender Court development. And those have been a little bit more of a struggle to lease. At different times there's someone who's interested in the commercial space but not necessarily the residential unit or vice versa and so those have been a little bit of a challenge and I think there's a chance that you could have that here Perhaps Mr. Lewis can chime in, and his presentation in terms of what interest he thinks he has for these types of spaces but to your question right if we do run into a scenario where a lot of these units are sitting vacant or struggling to be filled I would expect that the developer would want to come back to the city and seek some kind of an amendment to their development plan to create either more flexibility for the types of commercial uses that could be allowed there, or perhaps going in some different direction entirely trying to do away with some of the live-work component and going to more residential units as an option.

And if we did that, right? That would come back to the decision makers. That's not something that we could do at the staff level.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:28:19

A question, maybe you can help me understand this a little bit more. So in terms of the commercial component of the MRP how will we know if it's substantial enough to quote like if this proposal is substantial enough to meet that commercial requirement?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:28:41

Mayor Alarcon, I think the intention here with the way that the policy language is written is to give decision makers a little bit of discretion here. In terms of does it feel right? Does it look right? If it walks and quacks like a duck treat it as a duck kind of thing. And so the policy is written in a way, right? To give you a little bit of flexibility. It says if either the majority of the square footage remains commercial or if the development continues to look and sort of function and appear as commercial You know the general passerby essentially and so you do have a little bit of flexibility and if you look around the same language is used in Determining the right mix of affordable to commercial on our other mixed-use projects throughout the city.

So for example with the most recent Mixed use project being the Clinton air mixed use project over there at 4745 Carpinteria Avenue From a square footage basis, the far majority of that project is residential. But the commercial is oriented on the street frontage. It faces the street such that we were able to make the findings that this still presents to the street and to the public as if it's primarily a commercial building with the residential being behind or upstairs off the street. So that's an example of where we were able to use some of that flexibility to the city's advantage to help accommodate that type of project.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:30:09

And what is the Klintner project zoned as?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:30:13

That project is zoned commercial for the just general commercial for the majority of it and then the back corner off a 9th Street actually has a little pocket that's zoned for multifamily residential.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:30:25

And then my other question, and it was mentioned in the staff report is in terms of like the potential of you know introducing permanent residents but could increase activity near environmentally sensitive habitat. I mean it sounds like it absolutely would right there would be additional Lighting, noise. I'm not sure if pets would be allowed but at what point in time would that really be kind of explored in more detail if Mr. Lewis chooses to submit an application?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:31:00

Mayor Alarcon, I think it would come up during the project review process. It could potentially be part of what's looked at under CEQA. I don't know exactly you know what level of CEQA review this project would entail but that would be a consideration there. I think it's also something that would need to be looked at and addressed as part of our policy consistency analysis when we're reviewing any type of proposal against the applicable general plan and coastal plan policies And so if we do find that there's some potential issues there, there might be opportunities to condition a project to put some limitations on that or try to put some boundaries around that to avoid significant impacts. That might look like controls on the type of lighting or the intensity of lighting.

Maybe it does look like some kind of limitation on pets. I don't know exactly What kind of impacts we're going to find, but we'd have to work with the developer and figure out what those potential impacts are and how they could be mitigated or limited.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:32:00

And then just my last question is in terms of parking. Based off of what they're potentially, the number of units and based off of what's available is that within what's required or is it maybe above that? I think I'm getting to a point where not getting to a point but I'm really cautious with as we're there's new development is the parking. I think at some point we're gonna have a definite lack of parking and so I want to see if we can get ahead of that as much as possible but if you can share a little bit more about What's being proposed and if that's the legal required limit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:32:36

Mayor Alarcon, yes I can confirm that if you were to calculate the required parking based on the number of units. Yes the site is significantly over parked. You could say even when considering the number of guest spaces required for the residential and then based off of if you were just using a general commercial designation for the square footage used as workspace it would still there is still extra parking available on the site

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:33:06

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:33:07

Yeah, this is one of the few units that we did a plan on and approved that has underground parking in one of the very few places in Carpinteria.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:33:16

Any other questions? And I'd love to hear from Mr. Lewis if you'd like to come to the podium and you're welcome to share about your proposal or project

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:33:32

Good evening Mayor and Vice Mayor, Council Members. I want to thank the City staff for scheduling this concept hearing as it's really helpful for any applicant to get some understanding your appetite for a project like this. I'm the principal on this endeavor and 28 years ago in this very room, I received approval for the palm lofts that I've operated since.

At this time, this type of housing and commercial use had only a handful of projects in the region when it was approved. And I think it is fair to say that the palm losses contributed to the Carpinteria's economy and culture. This is another opportunity to support budding small businesses, entrepreneurs, and professional service providers At the same time, augment the housing stock with absolute minimum environmental impacts.

Carpinteria thoughtfully tracks and considers the employment and housing balance in an effort to analyze and plan for appropriate housing production in the city. In many respects, 6185 Carpinteria Avenue is an ideal candidate to create living and working space that helps the current housing deficit. Our proposal creates 31 new residential units and supports 20 businesses in a vacant office building without any modification to the exterior outside of cosmetic upgrades to the building.

As noted in the City of Carpinteria Coastal Land Use Plan General Plan, the jobs and housing ratio currently exceeds the average number of workers per household This indicates that the city has a job surplus which draws employees from outside the city. And additional local housing units could improve the housing jobs balance. The jobs employed residential ratio also indicates a job surplus in the city. The city's jobs employed residential ratio is one point to one where An estimated 640 surplus jobs are filled by employees commuting into the city from the surrounding region.

More importantly, the proposal creates 20 workspaces for residents that are designed not only as nice workspaces but excellent spaces for clients, customers, advisors and colleagues. It's difficult to find attractive Professional places that are conducive for work and provide the elevated professional setting this site provides. This building will facilitate the ambitions of small business owners that want impressive facility to conduct business.

Remote and hybrid work remain approximately 27% of the labor force, according to a Wall Street Journal article June 16th this year. And this building lends itself to nice workspaces to be used full-time and part-time remote and accommodate conference meeting space when larger group meetings are required. The economic benefit of these contiguous uses of living and working in the same building reduces occupancy costs, saves commuting time, and leaves a reduced personal carbon footprint.

This building is ideal for live-work lifestyle with great natural light, a connection to nature, and all the beauty and peace offered in Carpinteria. The design of this building is readily converted with its open structure, reasonable dimensions for dividing and abundant light and decks outside all units. The current parking allocation is 102 spaces which generously fulfills the requirement of the parking demand the use will generate. This reimagined building creates new housing, supports and promotes budding small businesses and entrepreneurs And if we can house some existing commuters, generate net reduction of the city of Carpinteria's carbon footprint.

It is nearly impossible to find housing production that produces net positive environmental impact and this project will achieve that outcome. The unfortunate reality today is I see very few opportunities where economic viability meets community needs and receives positive public support. I hope this is one such occasion. Thank you for your time and consideration, and I look forward to hearing your comments further.

And to answer one question that was raised, the current vacancy is roughly 20% in the City of Carpinteria for office. I think there are some commercial brokers will tell you the phantom inventory is much higher than that. So in other words, there's some highly underutilized building including LinkedIn that are likely to come on to the market at some point. This is an opportunity to kind of find ways to solve a urgent problem with almost a positive carbon outcome.

And that's really unusual. The other question regarding inclusive, inclusionary housing for rental projects is a real tough one. You know it's been hotly debated in Santa Barbara which I've developed in Santa Barbara as well and the reality is affordable housing has to be done with tax credits No other outcome happens. And the one projects that you're going to see, those require tax credits to make it happen.

It's just unfortunate reality. You take what the purchase price of this building and divide it by 30, it's not affordable. I couldn't afford to take the hit. If there is an inclusionary requirement, it's not likely to happen. It's just an unfortunate reality of where we are today. These projects don't have that kind of margin and a lot of communities have recently started to walk back inclusionary requirements in their cities but Happy to give you a lot of data on that.

It's a pressing issue and it's got to be found in public solutions, unfortunately. A way to think about it is what would happen to our grocery stores? Our restaurants? Our auto dealers, if we all of a sudden enacted to tell them every 10th person that came through the door has to receive product below cost. You can imagine the mayhem it would cause and not much of that would be positive other than some windfall losers of the 10%.

I mean windfall winners from that 10%, so... It's a great goal, it's not realistic.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:42:08

Thank you. Any questions for Mr. Lewis?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:42:12

Yeah, quick question for you. Great job on the other projects you've done and I was able to be on both of these projects so it goes way back in time. My question is we are also taking a look at some of the development along the bluffs part of that includes having the bluff trails connected up would you be willing to participate in that should this move forward?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:42:33

Well absolutely and it already is in this parcel. It's got a small bridge already in place, the paths are dedicated so I mean you know that's the one binding artery that I think is one of the great amenities and assets of The Bluffs. You know the public access to The Bluffs is remarkable. Thank you

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:43:04

Okay, no other questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:43:06

Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:43:08

I will now open up public comment on this item and we will start with Mr. Doug Adrianson. Welcome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:43:22

Thank you Madam Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members. I'm here on behalf of myself and my wife. We've been tenants at the Palm Lofts for seven years quite happily living and working in that space. And I am here tonight on our behalf to comment on two proposals for developments on the Bluffs. We passionately oppose one of them and support the other strongly. Thank you for receiving this input As Carpinteria residents since 2017, business owners, supporters of numerous local businesses and restaurants and active volunteers with Seal Watch and Carpinteria Indivisible we recognize that the bluffs are a treasured and irreplaceable asset for residents and visitors alike not to mention the larger ecosystem.

We're grateful for earlier efforts that have preserved large portions of the bluffs. We support ongoing efforts to support and preserve the rest We believe the farm proposal, which would shoehorn hundreds of dwellings into this largely pristine area is incompatible with the area's current use including but not limited to the world-renowned Harbor Seal Rookery and the city's vision for the future. We add our voices to those of Citizens for the Carpinteria Bluffs, the Environmental Defense Center and others who oppose this too big and poorly situated project.

In contrast, we strongly favor the proposal from Peter Lewis to repurpose the vacant office buildings at 6185 Carpinteria Avenue to create new residential units and workspaces. Adapting an already existing building is better in every way than new construction on a relatively untouched natural land. Having lived and worked for nearly a decade in the palm lofts developed by the same Peter Lewis 28 years ago, we appreciate his vision and skill in creating appealing live-work spaces. The palm lofts complex is the right size and the right location and designed and maintained to be an attractive asset to the city.

If you have any questions for a resident there to explain a little bit about how that works, I'm happy to explain my perspective on that. We know that Carpinteria needs more housing at various income levels to accommodate a growing population. This plan to creatively adapt one of Carpinteria's numerous underutilized buildings is a great example of how to pursue this goal.

Whatever challenges Carpinteria might face, its citizens are not guilty of the old warning. You don't know what you've got till it's gone. We know what we've got. We urge the City Council to say no to proposals that would develop the bluffs and say yes to those that preserve it while addressing other very real needs. I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:46:19

Arturo Tello, welcome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:46:24

Good evening. Before I speak, I'd like to ask if you received my email comments? If you did then I don't have to read my comments. I just want to say that I've been a resident there at the Palm Lofts for 21 years and the way I have never supported residential development at the Bluffs, but when I picture my community at the Palm Lofts and I transpose it to this office building, I really see very little impact.

I know the kind of community I live in and all the residences kind of shut down in the evening, pretty much. I'm not lying to you. I am the only one making noise sometimes with my concerts and that's all inside and very quietly. I do believe that this project would have very little impact in the environment. Now, that environment right there is very dear and near to my heart especially that little It just really is music to my heart when I see it bubbling during the rain. Because many years ago, during another conceptual review for the Berman Brothers that were trying to build a building on the east side I objected saying that this was a historical creek, and at the time they thought it was just a drainage from the freeway and it was worthless.

So they were not calculating on providing a buffer for riparian. So even at the time the Creek Committee Mr. Bob Hanson It's a joke that they should name that Lagunitas Creek the Tejo Creek because I brought it to, you know, I pointed out how important it was. And now when I see it running, I'm very happy. So my one concern is that perimeter lighting would be increased And I would want you to put a very strong condition of approval that lighting remains as is now, or maybe even evaluate that you can reduce impact to the current environment.

It's an important wildlife corridor and I encourage you to look at what you have to look at and support this development. And mostly I do it because of the way Mr. Lewis runs his project at Palm Loft Avenue. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:49:22

Thank you for your comments. Patrick O'Connor?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:49:32

Thank you, Mayor and Council and staff. I just have three thoughts to quickly go through a bit of procedural issues not really about the design of the project. It's not clear whether this parcel was identified as an R&U in the earlier work that we did in the housing element, the residential mixed use targets that we had. The report talks about it as MRP and I'm just curious if it is part of that RMU designation?

And to that point are there other adaptive reuse projects identified in the RMU? Do we have some, you know a bit of, we talked about the vacancy rate being 20%, there's an awful lot of volume out there that could fall under this similar kind of an approach. So I'm curious about what else is out there. And then the last point is we now have another major project here where we're not including the Planning Commission in a conceptual review, so I'm just really curious why we're standing here without the Planning Commission. Thanks.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:50:33

Thank you for your comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:50:42

Good evening. I have some concerns about this and I was wondering if somebody could answer whether the MRP zoning and our general plan is really the city's policy regarding This kind of housing Because it seems if we don't have it within the MRP because they're asking all of these questions that you need to consider regarding this project and The council is thinking about having a policy for public art in Wouldn't you want to consider having a policy for this kind of housing first before you considered making it go forward as a conceptual, go into conceptual review? It seems much more serious than public art.

I had some concerns, we got some information about the costs. I think that if you're going to build any kind of housing in Carpinteria even if it's modifying commercial units that there be affordable housing which apparently is not possible. I don't agree that there would be minimum environmental aspects to this project. If you consider the traffic and you consider the possibility or the likelihood of the Red Tail Project being built at Baylord across the freeway, I think Carp Avenue and that whole exit as it is now, it's a dangerous place to travel. Um, you know, so I think there are a lot of things that need to be considered and I was wondering, uh, Nick mentioned that there's flexibility, um, in regard if they don't, if you're not able to find, uh commercial people who could use that space.

And I want to know where is the flexibility? Is the flexibility For the City Council to make a decision or is the flexibility at a different level? At community development or someplace else. How do they determine when and where flexibility will be there? Thank you. Thank

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:01

you for your comments. Do we have any more speaker slips, Brian?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:53:07

We have no more speaker slips but we do have one person on Zoom.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:10

Great so let's move over to Zoom.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:53:12

So we have Susan Allen. Susan go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:53:18

Thank you. I do have some concerns with this concept. Number one is monitoring, and please don't tell me this is on an on-complaint basis because people will have a very difficult time determining whether this is being used in the manner in which it's being presented. It's going to cost and who is The creek has very steep sides. There's rushing water from time to time, that as a safety issue I have concerns. Also the area south of the path is home to coyote family from time to time they travel in and out and again it's not a real safe space if there's going to be children they're going to explore It's going to be a concern.

I do wonder about the cycle in business trends and taking this out of a business, more of a business mode into the mixture. And currently traffic is Usually Monday to Friday out there, and suddenly you're going to have a lot of people coming in and out seven days a week if there's housing. Affordability is definitely an issue. Again opening the door to then what other developers might say about the property And I think at least for me is good planning is.

looking at a project through planning guidelines. It's not looking at personalities. I've heard it mentioned that Mr. Lewis, and I don't know him, is a very nice person and I'm sure he is but that's not why we should be approving or not approving projects. We should be looking at the project and personalities should not be involved. Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:55:55

Thank you for your comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:55:56

And

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:55:57

Mayor that concludes zoom comment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:56:01

I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for additional questions and or comments before we move into a motion.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed2:56:09

Can we see this slide again of the pieces that you want feedback about?

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:56:38

Thank you Actually, do you have another question for mr. Lewis if you can help me better understand is if this is going to be the same kind of model as the palm loft or Would children be that I'm don't quite understand exactly if it's the type of specific population. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:57:01

I believe, you can't discriminate so I can't give you real hard guidance on that. This project will attract I believe young professionals and people that have a significant requirement for separate workspace where they can feel like somebody can show up, whether it's their boss that's in their regional sales person or a customer that they're interfacing with.

I don't think you're going to have families there, to be honest. Palm Loft has not had one child in its 28-year history. So it attracts professionals of various different ages Now the use, the reality is how professions are evolving and particularly with AI how it's going to impact offices. You end up with kind of people that want to work adjacent to their live space but they want a separate You know, the room that they move into receive people.

Their productivity improves immensely instead of a desk stuffed into a bedroom which is what you saw during COVID. So it's true that there's gonna be and there is today many people that need a live work solution and have kind of crummy live work situations currently. And so I'm not concerned at, the question is if there's a market for this? The Palm Lofts it's interesting our covenant allows artists, engineers Graphic artists, home office use. So it's got a variety of different actual uses but we have no shortage when we have a vacancy it's filled.

Now, you know it's and those those start at the same price level at which I'm forecasting for this project. have the benefit of being there a long time and aren't paying current market. But I think this is a real opportunity for Carpinteria to support your young professionals and your people that need this kind of product, it's pretty significant. And it's more than people really realize but if you start to think about the number of people that work at home And whether they would look to this kind of format is favorable.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed3:00:24

Thank you. I have a follow-up question for staff. So, for this one though with the MRP zone, there'd be limited to the type of professions or not? Could it be artists and that craft type of community too?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call3:00:42

Through the Mayor, Vice-Mayor Slarcino. At least on our initial read here the intention would be that the commercial uses would be limited to those types that are consistent with the MRP zoning district.

CommentRecreation MonthProposed3:00:52

And so those would be like what for example? I know you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call3:00:55

mentioned it but just... You know some of the uses that Mr. Lewis had identified in his initial proposal might fit in here. So right so kind of tech type jobs or software based type jobs It's probably not the right location for You know someone to have their their own CPA office or you know, small independent practice accounting off, you know our You know legal office or architectural office. It's not really that type of Zone district it would need to be the type of use that we could You know find to be consistent than any of the other office buildings over in that particular zone district Okay

CommentRecreation MonthProposed3:01:37

I think that's helpful just to understand that it wouldn't be the same community as the Palm Lofts. It would be a different...

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call3:01:44

Correct, it might be more of like a tech campus kind of community.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:01:49

Got it, thank you. Any other questions for staff? Or if staff has any responses to some of the public comment that we

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call3:02:00

heard. Thank you Mary, I do want to try to address a couple of the questions that we heard So Mr. O'Connor had asked if this particular site had been identified for rezoning in our housing element And I don't believe that we had included this in our initial inventory. And I think the reason for that at the time was both that the building was occupied and that, you know, going off of previous direction from the council, we hadn't at that time heard much support in previous proposals for introducing residential onto the bluffs and so we had intentionally not moved it forward as a site for consideration.

Ocont Mr. O'Connor had also asked if there were other properties in the city that might lend themselves to adaptive reuse and you know That's something that we have have also questioned and wondered about Some of the sites that were rezoned to RMU down at the end of Eugenia some of those those kind of newer office buildings that are a little bit smaller in scale and and and are a little bit more articulated we thought may lend themselves to an adaptive reuse concept and The ones that certainly are less attractive for adaptive reuse are large warehouses.

Those are difficult to move over into a residential use and meet all the code requirements, those end up probably being more attractive for demo and rebuild type of approach. And then Mr. O'Connor also asked about why the Planning Commission wasn't invited to this concept review and Really it came down to two reasons here the primary reason being just a timing consideration So, you know, mr Lewis has limited amount of time under which he has this property under contract and was looking to get feedback from decision makers And so we didn't have a lot of lead time to try to orchestrate a joint concept review hearing and given that time constraint, we felt it was best to focus our time and energy on getting this in front of your council since this was primarily a policy level question.

If there wasn't support from the council then that would kind of resolve the matter and not need to be explored further. So it really just came down to kind of the practical Ms. Salm asked about whether this type of housing is allowed in the MRP zoning district and or under our general plan? And I think we touched on this some in Megan's presentation, but there are allowances for housing and mixed-use proposals in our industrial areas including the MRP zone. And really what makes this particular proposal unique is that it's trying to do so in a live work type of model as opposed to just a mixed use model where you have residential units and commercial units in a mixed building. This is instead right the units themselves are mixed and so that was what makes us a little bit of a unique animal for this zone district.

And that's part of why we wanted to bring this up to your council for discussion. And then Ms. Salm also asked about where the flexibility lies amongst decision makers if the commercial component or the live-work concept were not to be viable, and I think given kind of The nature of that change, that would be a big enough change that if down the road Mr. Lewis or a subsequent owner said hey I want to explore going in a different direction, that would need to come back to the decision-makers so whether that's the Planning Commission and City Council would kind of depend on who takes action on the original project but that's not the type of thing that staff would be comfortable trying to tackle or make a determination on at the staff level. So we would take that back to either the Planning Commission or council.

I think those were all the questions that we heard from speakers

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:06:05

Thank you any other questions before we get to our thoughts Okay, so who would like to would there be a council member? Who would like to begin with some of their feedback for the developer for mr. Lewis?

CommentRecreation MonthProposed3:06:18

Um, I'll start I Like this the concept of the project a lot that this way of having residential use in the MRP zone I think that it sounds like there is a pathway forward for it to be consistent with current commercial uses So I think that those first two bullet points. I feel comfortable with Number three and number four are where I'm held up a little bit because as much as I do understand The the limitations to having affordable housing live work or residential on the bluffs. I think that Given that the bluffs are such a sensitive issue that the community feels so strongly about I really do feel like there needs to be more of a public benefit to these these housing projects where There is a workforce or affordability built into them.

That to me, it just feels like that's a really important piece because we're so careful with even the discussion of housing on the bluffs and so that's where I get a little stuck there. help with our arena numbers. So in terms of housing supply, I think that's a win. And actually, I really appreciate hearing people who are big Bluffs advocates who are also supporting this project. It's really helpful to hear that there are some housing developments on the Bluffs that maybe the community does have an appetite for And so as I well, I do really like this concept. I think the lack of affordability Built into it is a that brings concern to me

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:07:55

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:08:01

We'll try to try to do this yeah, you know I The residential use on the bluffs is always going to be the biggest difficulty, the biggest sticking point. There's no residential units on the bluffs now and so the first one... And I know that there is a large project presented but you know it can't be taken lightly and that's just the facts of it with that being said I feel very strongly that an empty building serves no community benefit, and an empty building that has community members living in it is something to be proud of.

So there's those two dualities for me. Something that I've been so interested in as most of you know, I own businesses in downtown Santa Barbara And all I want to see is the way that the city is using this adaptive reuse and we've been talking about it. And I think adaptive reuse for Carpinteria is a real way forward, so I don't wanna close any doors to that and I also want to open doors to this as an option in the MRP.

What Mr. O'Connor said is really valid, I feel that I would like to know what the Planning Commission has to say about this project or any projects really but you know for me I want to see us taking empty buildings and making them beautiful places for people to live, and I also don't take it lightly to even consider putting one house on the bluffs. That's something the community has made very clear that's important to them.

I think those are my thoughts.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:10:12

Yeah, I sort of have kind of the same opinion. We've got an empty building sitting there and we need housing. It makes a lot of sense and it's somebody that's already working in our community. It's done a successful project so we have track record on that. I'm a little, I worry about the potential precedence of increasing residential use on the bluffs and you know I just hope it's done right or done well.

One of my concerns is the traffic impacts. We've got so much going on at this Baylor intersection potentially coming up, but I don't see this particular project contributing to that. You know, there's some traffic and parking requirements built into this building already. So I think that this one seems fine and again we do need the housing and here's an empty

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:11:33

building.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:11:40

From what I've seen project looks good when I say that When that building was built, 2004 I believe. We had at that time probably 10 years of all of the development in that general area were all commercial everything from office space to whatever else you have out there currently but those are all done at one time and currently we're seeing is a trending going away from that no longer do we have these large buildings being used by one single entity it's Basically, they're going away. They're vacant or they're moving out of it. Shas is another one of them. The S&S seeds used to be Pepsi-Cola before that one and all of those have all changed out. So what are we doing in Carpinteria? Those were all money makers. Those were all people bringing in tax money to Carpinteria.

Well if you leave them vacant like that, it's doing nobody any good. From what I see times are evolving, times are changing Business models have changed also. No longer do we have the large companies in place, but we are looking at now smaller ones as you heard that we're looking at individuals or small groups of people working together mostly out of the home and small office areas so this is a perfect fit for me in my opinion with the Reuse of a commercial building that's vacant, having that changed into something that is going to be residential. That we can use small businesses things like that. We have a minimum visual impact of that area. We're not looking at these large walls anymore. We are not looking at redevelopment of very condensed living quarters.

The size itself has already been staked out literally we were just following the same exact footprint that was there before And when we look at that, and we look at the changing times that's happening and occurring. I think we've got a winner on our hands because if you look at all the young people what are they doing? What is their livelihoods? What is their living and what are they studying to do? They're all doing the same thing and this is an exact fit for that one. So giving them the opportunity to actually stay in Carpinteria establish themselves into the Carpinteria on something that's not going to cost them a lot. They actually get to live in where they're working, it's perfect fit for me and my opinion of that one.

True we are now looking at changing. We don't have any like I said there's no residential housing anywhere the closest one to that one is the P&E project which is the hotel. That's it If you go beyond that, we are introducing new housing elements and this would be one of them that we have. But if this becomes the first one I think we start with a model that is the least intrusive of all models we have. And for that reason I think we're on the right track. I think you've done a great job. Outstanding job again even with the Palm Lofts that you did had the opportunity to review that one and I'll tell you this he works with the community throughout from beginning to end He was always with us in every decision we made. He's articulate, he's well-educated and knows what's going on so my opinion is I think we're in a good position for this one, in my opinion to move forward.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:56

Thank you for your comments. A few of my comments, I think that when it comes to the residential use and the MRP zone and then consistency allowed commercial uses, I don't know if the commercial and the residential Balance each other out like I'm still questioning that if there needs to be some additional residential. I mean commercial there on that property And I really appreciate this Adaptive reuse, I think this property on the blessed particular I am Really hesitant to introduce any residential at all, but I do think what's presented in front of us is really interesting and probably one of the least invasive kind of development pieces.

But I do think there are, I mean, I appreciate the fact that there's an overwhelming amount of parking. I think that helps with that concern in the other areas. I do think that area in particular in Carpinteria is gonna be really impacted when the red tail development is created and then other potential development in that area so that's definitely a concern.

I know that commercial or businesses, right? There's a trend where it's moved away from large warehouses but I still in the back of my mind wonder how we can, the City of Carpinteria kind of revitalize these spaces. Maybe they're no longer just one large warehouse. That's no longer happening but what can we do if it's smaller spaces for labs or universities? I'm just trying to think outside of the box here And I would also say that I do appreciate in terms of the maintaining the existing public trail access landscaping is also a really important piece to this potential development.

And then to the developer, Mr. Lewis, I'd like to just say thank you for participating in this conceptual review. A lot of developers opt not to and I think the fact that you did is a really important piece You know your potential partnership with the city and what you've done in the past so I would just want to point that out And I think those are all my comments. I'll open it up to the rest of the council if there's anything else prior to us Okay, and there is no action on this item is there anything else at the city staff need from us a

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call3:17:41

Mayor Alarcondo, I think this was helpful. This is a helpful discussion for staff and hopefully as well for Mr. Lewis.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:17:49

Thank

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call3:17:50

you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:17:51

And with that

we will move on to the next item on our agenda which is committee reports inquiries and other matters presented by council members

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:18:03

Just one quick one I've got. This Thursday, six o'clock we'll be meeting at the Carpinteria Sanitary District to go over the CAP. This is a communities matter event. Six o'clock at the Carpinteria sanitary district And we'll be going over CAP, Carpinteria Advanced Purification Project. So if there's any questions, if anybody from the public is interested, come on and join us. We'll have all of the directors of each of the other entities there to answer questions for you. They will be doing a major portion of the presentation.

That's it.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:18:39

Any other updates? Okay, seeing none. We will move on to attendance of council members for future meetings Yes, everyone be attending and it is 8 46 p.m.. And we will officially adjourn the meeting