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Hello all, good evening and welcome to the Carpinteria City Council meeting. Today's date is September 28th, 2026 and I will request a roll call please.
Roll call, called by Van Antwerp
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And I will request a closed session report
Thank you Mayor Alarcon, council members. The council met in closed session to discuss one matter with legal counsel regarding anticipated litigation and there is no reportable action this evening thanks great
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. And the first two items on our agenda are very exciting. We will first recognize the retirement of Michael Hickey who has been our part-time crossing guard for 40 years. For over 40 years, 42. Michael Hickey if you'd like to come on up and stand at the podium while I read the recognition. So in honor of your retirement and in recognition of over 40 years of dedicated and exemplary public service to the City of Carpinteria, since joining the city as a part-time crossing guard in September 1984 you have faithfully served the Carpinteria community with professionalism dedication and unwavering commitment. Through your care and vigilance, you have helped ensure the safety and well-being of generations of students including mine while making a lasting and positive impact on countless families throughout our community.
On behalf of the City Council staff and community we extend our sincere appreciation and best wishes for a happy and fulfilling retirement. Congratulations and thank you for all of your service.
Thank you everybody, thank you Carpinteria. If you see me around town say hi everybody I miss all the people that I crossed over the years I miss the friends I made over at least of the last couple years and please say hi to me when you see me thank you very much I'd like to thank my family for being here tonight and I'm not going to introduce them and thank you very much Why don't you name a ball, a street after me
please? Thank you. And before what I'll do next is just open up public comment. Is there anyone in the audience? I have no speaking... Public comments for this. Anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no raised hands.
I will officially close public comment and ask Michael Hickey along with any family members you'd like to take a photo with us in the front
Look over at these guys first. All right, I've got two. Okay, everybody hold tight. We'll do one, two and three there Okay and now this one.
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The next item on our agenda is a 10-year service award to Marisol Smith, who is our Associate Planner. I will first open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no raised hands.
Okay, I will close public comment and ask that Marisol come to the podium while I share a few nice words about you. So your service embodies the values of our organization, significantly contributing to our mission and goals leaving a lasting impact on our community. And thank you for your outstanding service and continued dedication to the city of Carpinteria.
Thank
you. And Mayor if it's
okay staff has some comments as well?
Absolutely!
Thank you Mayor Alarcon, council members.
So
Marisol joined the city back in 2016 as an assistant planner and she was promoted in 2021 to associate planner position that she continues to serve in today The title, I think, belies a little bit of how much she brings to the table. There's a lot of work that Marisol does behind the scenes to keep our department running that is not reflected in the associate planner position that she officially holds. So not only does she work on planning cases like the rest of our planners but she's also instrumental in helping complete a lot of the technology work for our department so single-handedly or nearly single handedly been our point person developing our new permit software with GovWell and getting that off the ground. She's also doing a lot of work on a near weekly basis behind the scenes to help us get our agendas up online and published out to the community for our various public meetings, and she also does a lot of work up at the front counter to be one of the faces of the department and one of those faces that the public interacts with on behalf of our department regularly And I can say just on behalf of our team, we really appreciate your dedication and your commitment and everything that you bring to our department.
And we're happy to be able to recognize you for 10 years of service. Thank
you. Would you like to say a few words? I'm good. Thank you. OK. We'll take a photo in the front. We'd love for you to join us.
All right. Thank you very much.
We will now
move on to item number three on our agenda, which is the Sheriff's Recap. Welcome Chief Brinningham.
Well good evening everybody, Madam Mayor, Council Members. Carpinteria staff and Carpinteria community members. It's good to see everybody feel like I haven't been here for a couple months, which is actually true so it's good to see everybody here tonight. Let me start off by, I'm going to kind of consolidate it for you here because it's been a long two months.
So for July and August of 2026 we have a revolver that was found wrapped inside a paper bag inside someone's trunk who was unaware it was there. Not sure who it belonged to so we have no information on how it got there. We have a suspicious circumstance where somebody reported a 9mm round lodged into the pavement at a crosswalk at Carp and Palm Avenue. So we just collected the bullet and sent it off, but we have no information other than that.
We have at least two reports of counterfeit $100 bills being passed out at local businesses. In one case, the suspect pushed the owner out of the way as the owner attempted to detain the suspect for responding deputies. The suspect was located nearby by deputies walking in the area and arrested for burglary and for battery of the owner. Stolen vehicles, we have five reported stolen vehicles within the city of Carpinteria for the months of July and August.
In one case, deputies found the vehicle as it was driving, conducted a high-risk stop and arrested the suspect who had a felony warrant from LAPD for a case regarding a stolen vehicle. So go figure on that one. Possession of nitrous oxide, a juvenile was detained after acting suspicious and trying to elude deputies and changing his shirt in attempt to hide from them. He was found to be in possession of nitrous oxide. He was cited and released to a responsible party. And then in another case we actually found three tanks of nitrous oxide inside a vacated hotel room.
I'll touch on that a little bit more later. We had a warrant arrest, the suspect was detained after being reported from looking into parked cars in a parking lot. And he was found to have an outstanding no bail warrant out of San Bernardino, he was arrested and extradited We have a possession of narcotics for sale and possession of a handgun during a traffic stop. Deputies located approximately two ounces of methamphetamine, 12 pre-packaged baggies of methamphetamine, a loaded handgun with the cereals altered. The driver was a convicted felon and subsequently arrested. And there was two other persons in the vehicle, two female suspects that were cited.
We have a residential burglary between the hours of noon and 2 p.m., where unknown suspect or suspects entered the home through an open window, stole jewelry in high-end purses. No surveillance system so we have no other suspect info in that case. And then I will move on to, again just to remind you that we don't have numbers yet because our systems are not compatible. So I'm still waiting on that. I don't have a date yet when we're going to have updated numbers.
Nothing for community outreach. The chief's message, I have a couple things here first obviously call 911 in any emergency and the non-emergency dispatch number 805-683-2724 that's for any stale cases or where there's no threat of violence or harm to anyone Talking about the stolen vehicles, I'd just like to remind people to lock your doors and do not leave your keys inside your vehicle. Many of these stolen vehicles are crimes of opportunity where the criminal walks past an unlocked vehicle and keys inside and without advanced planning they see an easy target and on the spur of the moment they'll take your car that's happened quite a few times so just be cognizant of that try to keep yourself from being a victim Something that I want to mention is early morning joggers.
I get to work very early in the morning and my routine is, I kind of drive through the town to kind of see how everything is especially on our major streets. A lot of joggers out there in the morning which is a good thing however you'd be surprised at how many people are wearing dark clothing So please, I just want to stress that there's dangers of low visibility in vehicles. So running before sunrise means drivers, delivery trucks and other etc may not see you as easily so there's an increasing risk of getting hit by a car. Also sleepier distracted drivers. A lot of people may be just getting off work or just getting up is still tired as well This could be a major hazard during dawn hours, so be visible. Some people have the little lamp light on that's good too but then they're totally dark.
So sometimes I'm driving down and if they're running together i see these two headlights bouncing in the thing and I'm really not sure to make of it but then it's two individuals. I would say put a reflective vest on or some reflective clothing with your upper body and maybe on your shoes and stuff. I just want to try to avoid a bad accident, so I see this almost every day. So please put something reflective on so when the driver's coming they can see you from a distance.
We talked about nitrous oxide. There's many tobacco and smoke shops sell nitrous oxide canisters, often called whippets or brand names like galaxy gas while legally marketed as a culinary tool for making whipped cream they're frequently sold for recreation inhalation due to rising health risk and use by minors many cities and states are actively banning or restricting these sales in local smoke shops So be leery of that. This seems to be kind of coming on mainly with the youth, right?
And how they appeal to it, they'll put out sweet flavors. Tanks are sold in like varieties of cotton candy and strawberry splash. They'll put bright packaging resembles mainstream candy or energy drinks. There's social media trends where viral videos popularize inhaling the gas, called laughing gas or NOS. And it's pretty easy access. These tanks are widely available online in local smokes or vape shops so sometimes with minimal age verification and you have to be 18 years old in California to possess. I did have some, I don't think anybody can see but I did have some photos here that kind of show you the marketing.
And then our e-bike and our bicycle safety update. We had a Goleta motor come in and conduct e-bike and bicycle safety operation we gave on one day in six hours, we gave 13 citations to minors 10 of them was for no helmet Two was for not stopping at a stop sign and one was for no license driving an illegal electric motorcycle. I want to remind everybody that the e-bikes without pedals, just the pegs, that's an electric motorcycle and those are illegal to be on the roadway period and we will tow it so...
All these juveniles are eligible for the Carpinteria Restorative Justice Program, where they attend a free class that focuses on e-bike or bicycle safety and operation. So everybody there has that opportunity and I know that the city's actively reaching out to the parents and getting them set to go to this class. And with that, I just want to remind you that Avocado Festival is this weekend so we're looking forward to seeing everybody out there. Please come up and say hi. I'll be out there all three days and we're looking to having a great time. And that's end of report.
All right, thank you. Do we have any questions for the chief? OK, no questions. I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips for this item. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no raised hands.
I will close public comment. Thank you for your report. We will now
move on to the next item which is the first district supervisor's report. Welcome
Daisy. Good evening Mayor Alarcon. Hello staff, hello council, hello staff. I'm going to take a page out of City Manager Ramirez's book tonight and remind folks that there is a lot more in my report online then I'll kind of go through tonight and there will be, there's a lot of links so I'm going to kind of rattle through a lot of opportunities and there's a lots of links in that report that people can click through if they're interested in any of these things.
Alrighty, so to start off with there are really no meaningful updates on the unincorporated housing in Carpinteria. We're kind of in this hurry up and wait phase. There are three projects and they're all either no application is submitted or staff is working through the applications and awaiting feedback. The second item is Winter Storm El Nino Prep. This continues to be a big priority for the county, so on October 1st there's going to be a virtual meeting on El Nino prep. There's gonna be a panel of about...
last I checked I think it's about eight different agencies that will be commenting on the preparations. This meeting was getting so big, in fact, that they've now changed it to a live stream on YouTube. So there'll be a live stream on YouTube in English and in Spanish. And folks are encouraged to submit questions by tomorrow at three o'clock. So there's a link on another page in here about that, but tune in it will also be on YouTube so anybody can watch it if you can't make it on October 1st and again there are loads of resources on the county storm preparation website. If you just type in Santa Barbara County Storm Prep into Google you should be met with A whole bunch of links for real-time data, basin cameras, storm prep checklists.
Finding out if you're in a flood zone where you can find sandbags all sorts of stuff so El Nino is definitely top of mind. Moving further down, RVs on the 192 has been a problem that we've heard about pretty much since we've taken office and I'm sure before that so the Board of Supervisors did pass a parking resolution on August 25th requesting Caltrans to ban overnight parking on 192 specifically This is between Linden and further down, it's escaping me at the moment but much further down.
I want to say closer to Lions Park and there are links of the maps and resolution you can look at that. I will say this is a Caltrans road, so it is the responsibility of Caltrans to put in the signs. So we are going to wait and see how that goes. But the first step was the county requesting that they do that. So that has been checked. I wanted to emphasize that CHP and the sheriffs kind of they patrol different parts of that road. So for illegal camping you can call the sheriff's office that they requested after dusk please And you can call their non-emergency dispatch at 805-683-2724.
And for abandoned vehicles or vehicles that have been parked there for 72 hours, you can call the CHP. So their non emergency dispatch is 805-770-4800. So kind of a funky road with a lot of jurisdictions but there's a lot of eyes on it. Okay, moving along. We've gotten a lot of questions about what is happening at Santa Claus Beach So I wanted to let you know that That started September 1st and this is a project of the county it is not part of Caltrans It's not part of the freeway expansion project This is the Santa Claus Lane street scapes and coastal access improvement project It's a four-phase project that will last a long time. The first phase was the bike path and the parking, that was completed last fall. This phase is to increase public access to the beach so they're creating this really beautiful crosswalk to get to the coast.
So no more having to, well you could scramble over the rocks if you want to I guess but there'll be an option if you don't wanna do that So that has started, it's an $11 million project. It's paid for through state inter-regional transportation improvement project funds and that should last hopefully up to summer of next year and not through the summer so they're really trying to get it going now.
So that is what's happening over there. Something kind of exciting that's happening, that's being piloted in Carpinteria is the public health department. The clinic over here is piloting the food as medicine program. This is being spearheaded by one of the pediatricians over there Dr. Liana Napolis She has secured a grant for $25,000 and she's partnering with the Carp Children's Project and the organic farm, Farm Cart Organics, excuse me. Across from the clinic so that pediatricians can write prescriptions for whole foods and fruits and veggies in the form of a voucher so that their patients can go get some food over at the farm cart. So it's very exciting and Dr. Nopoulos is definitely looking for more support, so if anybody is interested you can get in touch with her and her contact info is in this update.
Okay, I'm going to kind of zip through some opportunities. There's a lot happening in the next two weeks that I think is relevant to Carpinteria. So the first one is that there's a Coastal Resources Mitigation Fund grant that is open. This is from the county and they're funding projects that protect and enhance coastal resources so To be considered for funding, these projects have to have a relationship to coastal resources but they can be located in or outside of the coastal zone and most importantly these are eligible for public agencies, municipalities, special districts and non-profit organizations. So those grant proposals are due November 23rd but there are two informational meetings One is tomorrow at 10 a.m on Teams, and there's another one on Thursday at 3 p.m on Teams.
I mentioned the El Nino Prep meeting on October 1st, so we won't cover that again. Another October 1st meeting, Beach Smart is having a community conversation around Ash Avenue Beach. So this will be happening on Thursday, October 1, 530 to 7 at the Carp Vets Hall and it's to discuss beach nourishment related to Ash Avenue Beach in Carpinteria. They just had one today that was all about The Miramar and the beaches surrounding Miramar, that was really great. And a lot of community input and hopefully they'll be taking that feedback and incorporating it in the new plan. So the communicate... the community meeting will be all about how to how to keep the beach nourished with sand, and what constituents or community members are looking for.
So that meeting is on Thursday at October 1st, Vets Hall. Please just show up! I wanted to remind everyone that ballots are going out. So, October 5th is when all of any registered voter if you're a California registered voter you're getting your ballot in the mail so keep an eye out for that and ballots must be postmarked on or before election day and received by November 10th 2026. So the message is going out is to please please please Vote, vote early and you can drop it into any of the ballot boxes. There's one right over here on the street right outside City Hall and there's plenty of links for registering to vote checking your voter registration And all sorts of information on the elections and what you can expect All righty moving right along We've also had some folks reach out about The siding, the railroad signing project that has been proposed over by Padero Lane.
So on October 12th there's going to be a virtual community meeting is being put on by Losan who is the organization that is handling These This this proposed siting project so I won't go too far into what that project is. I think we've already talked about it before There's information in this report But the idea is that there was a recent tree study done to see what the impacts of this sighting would be on the trees and the neighborhood and The results came back that it would be a huge project. So the LOSAN team is evaluating what it would look like to shift that project and before they go into that, they'd like to share the updated tree study and where they currently are in the project with community members so that is going to be Monday October 12th at four o'clock.
That is a Zoom meeting as well And the last opportunity that I think is relevant to Carpinterians is October 14th, is the California Fish and Game Commission's final hearing on the proposed Mesopshino Marine Protected Area right off the coast here. There have been many hearings about this over this year. I believe last year, this proposal has been in the works for a long time along with 15 other MPA's as they're commonly called.
Notably, so this Fish and Game hearing is October 13th through 16th. It's in Sacramento but they will have Zoom participation and notably the petition from a shop channel is called 2023-29 MPA underscore AM2. They don't make it easy to find but it is on October 14th. It is item number 33 And you can submit written comments. The deadline is tomorrow at 5 p.m., if you want those comments posted with meeting materials, or you can send out what they call supplemental comment deadline, supplemental comments which means that they are provided to the commissioners but they're not part of the meeting materials so that will be, that deadline's October 8th And of course, we encourage everyone to attend the meeting and they do anticipate a lot of public comment not just on this item but on many, many, many MPAs throughout California.
So they have opened up a pre-registration for public comment that will be available to sign up for when you want to make a comment and that'll begin September 30th until noon. So anybody that wants to comment I would definitely suggest pre-registering The last thing I want to mention is there are some there aren't a lot of Board of Supervisors meetings left, there's only seven I believe for the rest of the year but some upcoming items that I believe would be of interest are There's an item on boat wrecks and County beaches this is an informational item with the goal to That our office is bringing forward with the goal to try and find some dedicated funding for cleaning up boat wrecks that we anticipate are going to happen during El Nino.
That's happening on the 6th of October, and then October 20th there is an oil spill contingency plan that's being presented by our fire department, there's an inclusionary housing ordinance amendment that's coming. That's all about affordable housing and then on November 17th the Santa Barbara County indigent care program will be covered so there's a lot happening in the next month and I'm sure when I come back they'll do plenty more.
Thank you! Do we have any questions
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from council?
Thank you. Thank you for your report. Do you have any updates on red tail or where can you tell us where that's at?
Application has been kind of pinging back and forth with county staff. Um, and I believe city staff is working with them as well on some projects, but nothing meaningful since the last time I was here. Um, the last update was, was that they are continuing to, um, address the feedback from the County Planning Department. They're continuing to address feedback from County Public Works They're continuing to work with the Housing Authority, which is the main public entity that's pushing this project forward. This is a public housing project through the Housing Authority.
They as I mentioned last time they have signaled that they're willing to have a community meeting about the about the project and where they are. The Housing Authority to provide information, frequently asked questions. I've given them a frequently asked questions list that I hope that they are filling out and have asked them to share multiple projects of the project plan as it is now the traffic study and the evacuation studies so They, I haven't seen them yet but there's no update since the last time I was here. But hopefully that's all coming and yeah hopefully there's a much better update next time.
Thank
you.
A quick follow-up question. I remember last time you had mentioned that Supervisor Lee might be holding his own community meeting even though the project is not yet in any way moving forward but just so that community members could express some of the concerns they're feeling now. Is that something where you're looking at some potential dates?
Yes, I want to be careful to say it's not necessarily beneficial to have Supervisor Lee hold the meeting because he's not the one that has all the answers. So I'm hoping that the Housing Authority is the one that can put this on the calendar. We are asking them to please do it before the end of the year. I think that's a fair request so that that's what we're working on is trying to get the Housing Authority and the The developers to come together and provide that information ahead of time So people can really look at it and dig into it and then have a community meeting shortly thereafter where the questions can be asked in I'm not the one that has to constantly tell people, I'm sorry. I'm not sure. So hopefully that meeting will have the right people in the right room to answer those questions.
That's great. Thank you.
Any other questions? OK. No questions. We do have a handful of public comments so stick around please. Thank you. Yep. I will open up public comment Mr. Carl Zonkin. Welcome.
I'd like to cede to Betty Jefferson
please. Welcome, Ms. Jefferson.
Thank you very much for your interest in bringing this topic up again because as you heard, they are working with staff. So it is moving and we're very concerned. I'm Betty Jeppesen, I'm speaking against Red Tail. The project should not be built and you do have the power to stop it. The Red Tail is going to have to apply for permits and easements from you as the city manager reported last month And you have the right to protect your citizens and either deny entirely the request for those permits or easements, or make requirements to protect Carpinteria. The infrastructure and the budget.
If it gets too expensive Redtail will leave. Redtail does not care if its demands would be too expensive for Carpinteria's infrastructure or budget they want their profit so they will go if they don't get a profit Red Tail does not care if there's only one emergency exit. They do not care if they put all the residents at Casitas Village in danger, that's 280 units allowing five people occupancy per unit equals 1400 people plus all of the residents of Villa Del Mar across Baylord which are three bedroom units Please look at the facts. Red Tail is most, at most providing a few workforce housing units and the rest of the 196 proposed units over 150 units will be astronomically expensive. This is not affordable housing. The entire Casitas Village and Villa Del Mar are your affordable housing workforce units, and you would be putting them in danger if you allow this development to proceed.
They are proposing to take the driveway that Casitas Village owns behind Birch Alley, Birch Street residence. This is not as they'd like to call it a street. They even call it by a name. It is not a named street across Baylor there is a street with a name but not behind our units this is a driveway it's not even an alley It is the only way for people to back out of their garages and driveways and get out of there. So they have shown us at meetings that they propose to divert that driveway, and make it impossible to turn for our people to go into Baylor. And then they want to take it if we won't give it to them, they'll want to take it by eminent domain Funnel all the people down Poplar. Poplar is very narrow It's it used to have parking on it, but it doesn't anymore because it's really narrow If you have time, please go look at poplar and Casita's village does remain the least expensive two-bedroom condominium development in the area for people to buy Parking is already too dense.
Am I out of time? Parking is already too dense because this housing area is occupied by workers, adding cars for an additional 196 units would be unsupportable and finally Redtail should not be allowed to have a place on the City of Carpinteria's website Do all developers get a spot on your website? I don't think so And I think they should not have one either. Thank you. Thank You Mr. Bisson
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Mr. James? I apologize, I can't. Yes. Mr. James Knuckles, welcome.
Hello, I'm Jim Knuckles. I'm here to talk about the grossly inadequate parking that Red Tail intends to provide for their development. According to the Baylor Avenue evacuations assessment prepared by Red Tail, Red Tail intends to provide 297 parking spaces for 196 units. That works out to one and a half parking spaces per unit. Casitas Village and Villa Del Mar each provide two off-street parking spaces per unit.
Even with that, the street parking is completely saturated. That's street parking on Baylor Avenue, Birch Street, Hickory Street, Poplar Street, Palmetto Street, Jacaranda, and Via Real. Red Tails proposes 1.5 parking spaces per unit with no additional street parking, and that is grossly inadequate. If the Red Tail units have two cars per unit then Red Tail will be 100 parking spaces short.
That's 100 cars forced out onto streets where the parking is already saturated. There are over 2,000 people already living in the Baylor Avenue area. The population of Carpinteria is about 14,000 people. That means one in seven Carpinteria residents are going to have to suffer because Red Tail won't provide adequate parking. One in seven Carpinteria residents and for what? For about 40 affordable housing units.
There's no reason at all why one in seven Carpinteria residents should have to suffer for a handful of affordable housing units. There's no reason why thousands of Carpinteria residents should have to suffer so that this developer can make a bigger profit. Red Tail needs to provide adequate parking for their development, and I hope you will tell at Red Tail to fix their parking.
Thank you.
Comments Mr. Nichols? Miss Cindy Marcus welcome
Thank you. The two people who just spoke basically said mostly what I would say also, that there is not adequate parking and the streets are packed. People park in the alley because they can't- the fire lane because they can't find parking which is extremely dangerous We have tried to you know, get them towed or you know something I mean if there's a fire the fire trucks can't get in there but the tow trucks won't come If they do the people come out and there's like fights going on and it's very very dangerous so to add more problems to an already difficult situation is really unacceptable and the City of Carpinteria needs to address that because it's already really, really bad.
And I mean the fire lane is part of the alleyway And so if there were a fire, not only can't the people who live on that alleyway because that goes into their garages won't be able to get out. But if there are more people trying to get out of there nobody will be able to get out it'll be gridlocked And so that also needs to be addressed. They're trying to take it by eminent domain, but that's crazy. I mean, it's not a public street. It's not a street at all. It'a driveway. And so there are so many dangers that are not being looked at that it's kind of scary in case of an emergency if somebody has a heart attack or whatever.
If there's anything... There's cars parked along That alley because they can't find parking on the street So I hope that the city will deal with this in some way and if Redtail doesn't have enough parking You know what's going to happen. They're going to try and find parking on the street, and they're going to be parking in places that they shouldn't which is extremely dangerous so I really hope that the city will take a look at what's going on there and not give them the permits or the easements or whatever they are requesting because your job is to protect the citizens of the city as it is now not to add more trouble to those people So thank you very much.
Thank you for your comments.
Miss Tristine Rainer, welcome.
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Thank you. I was a bit disappointed to find out that there's no progress on setting up a meeting and getting information to the residents and the stakeholders, uh, that the red tail in development will affect. Um, I think that, um, what we were told that at the housing authority and that red tail will take on that responsibility, seems that Supervisor Lee is really not responding to the stakeholders' request that he set up such a meeting.
To suggest in Daisy's report that Supervisor Lee has no information on what has been submitted to the county. I find that a bit irresponsible. What about the traffic and safety report? The copy that we were able to get a copy of is incomplete And grossly misleading. And I want to state here that one of the things that it says is that the study was done during the prime time hours of traffic in the Casitas Village area, however I, which would be in the evening or in the morning when people are going and coming from work.
However, I saw him working and I took a picture which has a time stamp on it and it was on a Tuesday at 2.30 p.m.. So I feel that before this goes too far and misrepresentations of reports are accepted by the county who are not listening to us, and we have no voice with. That since this will come to you in terms of the streets and the safety and infrastructure, that we get on top of this before it's too late.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips for this item, do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we do have one raised hand, Andy Patrick. Andy, go ahead. Andy want to unmute yourself? Andy are you there? All right, well he's not responding there.
Okay I will close public
comment. There it goes. He made it just in time. Available for public comment on this? Yeah I'm so sorry. First district supervisor's
report. No I really just this is for representative Lee. I mean we appreciate your restaurant knowing that you live here and you're among us etc but like show up I'm sorry, but you know what? We are in a crisis. I know that a lot of us don't want to say that this is a crisis, but I'm calling it a crisis and representative me with all due respect to your representatives who you're providing here today which I respect Like, show up. Where are you? What do you think? What are you saying? What are you doing? What are you proposing?
Get with the program here! I'm sorry people but so much of what is going on right now in Carp is so ingenial. It's so nice. Everybody is being so nice. I'm sorry but we are not in a nice phase This is a phase where we need to understand what the hell one another are doing and come up with some real plans. So representative Lee, where are you? That's what I have to say. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
And Mayor that concludes Zoom comment.
OK. I will officially close public comment. Daisy, I don't know if there's any final remarks on your end
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Just to say thank you for all the public comments and we heard them, and thank you. Thank you.
Perfect, thank you. And thank you for that report. I will ask... You know the last few times we've received updates has been through this report so I'll look to staff and of course if there's consensus among the council if we can be apprised of updates Is there consensus among council members? Yep. OK, great. I also think if...I don't know if we want to have a conversation about that now but if we should consider in the future a letter encouraging a public meeting before the end of the year? I'll just throw that out there. I
don't know that. A letter and that would be to Supervisor Lee? Mm-hmm. I would agree with that it seems like we've been hearing from a lot of residents who really want to at least be heard even if there isn't any action that can be taken yet so I agree with the idea of the council sending him a letter Okay,
is there anyone else on the council who would agree with that?
Yes.
Yes okay so there's consensus does the city staff need additional direction in terms of the letter itself and the contents?
Mayor Ellicott I think we're clear on it sounds like you're looking for a letter coming from your council in support of Supervisor Lee's office taking the lead and helping organize a community meeting about the Red Tail Baylor project
We will now
move on to item number six, which is the City Manager's Report.
Thank you Mayor, Council, community members. Again as always we don't cover every item in the City Manager Staff Report so I encourage people to read that there are helpful links and then if the council has any questions or would like us to agendize any of the items to discuss further always happy to do that As always, I'll be joined by a few different people assisting me with these topics. And I'm going to start off with Assistant City Manager Ryan Kentz who's going to give us some updates on recruitments and also on capital improvement projects.
Thank you Michael. Good evening Council, Mayor. Yeah just a quick updates couple quick updates on recruitments so right now we have five open positions at various stages of recruitment the Public Works Director is out and recruitment does remain open until it's filled. We also opened up the Human Resources Risk Manager position that is now open and available for applicants. The deadline is October 6th The accounting specialist slash the accounting technician, we have made a final selection there and we're currently conducting a background check.
The building official, we actually had the final interviews today and so we're in the process of making a final selection. And then the engineering technician, final selection has been made and we are currently going through background check for that position as well. I just want to clarify again that these recruitments are not adding to the city's overall staffing levels. The vacancies are from existing positions that were approved by City Council.
The human resources position was filled through the reallocation of an existing position as it was approved by the City Council at our last meeting. Moving on to capital improvement projects, just a couple updates. On the Franklin Creek Trail project construction continues to progress. Grading and utility work are now complete. Retaining walls are expected to be finished by the end of September.
The concrete trail surface is scheduled to be poured in October and then the project remains on track we've had no delays and that is scheduled to be completed in December The realigned sidewalks for the Carpinteria High School Crosswalk Improvement Project, those sidewalks along 192 and the trail along Franklin Creek Trail are now complete. The new crosswalk is also in place and being used. We're awaiting delivery and installation of the Hawk system. That is the overhead signals that alert motorists and require vehicles to stop when pedestrians are crossing the remaining underground utility work is temporarily on hold pending resolution of a change order with the contractor. We have an expected completion date of end of the calendar year, so by this end of December we were hoping to have this project completed.
That's it for public works unless you have any questions.
Questions? No questions, thank you.
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I'd now like to turn it back to our Community Development Director Nick Bobroff to give updates on development applications
Thank you, Michael. Council, I have just two updates on here for you this evening. The first one is to share the Planning Commission's upcoming October 5th agenda. When we published the City Manager's Report, we had two items on the agenda. The St. Joseph's Church item has since been removed at the request of the church. They've asked to postpone their hearing until November 2nd.
So we'll be sending out an updated notice to neighbors around the church and putting an updated notice in the Coastal View News this week, letting folks know that the church item will not be heard on October 5th. That'll get moved to November 2nd. And so that leaves then the October 5th hearing just to continue the review of the Surfliner Inn project and the accompanying environmental impact report.
So as your council knows, the commission started the hearing on the surf liner item at a special meeting on September 21st where the commission conducted and closed the public hearing on that item after receiving oral and written public comments. And the commission continued their deliberations in consideration of a possible action to this upcoming October 5th meeting.
So we'll have the agenda and the September 21 staff report again up on the website here by Later, I think it's later this week actually no on by Thursday and Again, they'll just be kind of picking up where we left off from last Monday and continuing with the Commission's deliberations on the surf liner item And then I also just wanted to share a little bit of information about the work that's occurring along the railroad, out on the Carpinteria Bluffs area. This is an emergency repair and maintenance project undertaken by Union Pacific Railroad.
Specifically they are working to repair five existing drainage culverts located along that run roughly between the Rincon Bluffs Preserve and the Carpinteria Bluffs and Nature Preserve And they're trying to get this work done ahead of the anticipated El Nino winter conditions To help ensure proper drainage along the rail corridor and ensure safe rail operations The city was not provided advance notice of these plan repairs and became aware of it only after the work started last week Since then we have been able to make initial contact with the railroad to learn more about the project in the anticipated schedule the works expected to be ongoing through December, and during this time the public should expect increased construction in vehicle and equipment activity along the rail corridor in that area.
Union Pacific also indicated that there would be heightened enforcement of unauthorized trespass activity along the rail corridor in that area while construction is underway. Once the work's completed, UPRR will be stabilizing the site with erosion control materials and then also with revegetating with native plants. And they have monitors out there during construction and they'll have monitors on-site as well during their restoration.
We're going to continue to try to engage with the railroad on this and gather information and be available to provide more information to your council into the public as we receive that information.
Do we have any questions? Just one quick question. I did receive some inquiries from constituents about expressing concern that the city hadn't been told by the Union Pacific Railroad about that project until after it had already started, so it sounds like you're now in communication but did they explain why they hadn't been in touch with the city and are they going to commit going forward to being more diligent about making that connection?
Through the Mayor, Vice-Mayor Salarsano. It sounds like we did raise that issue as to why we didn't receive notification ahead of time it sounds like it was an oversight on their part you know the folks we were meeting with are the construction field crew they said hey this isn't in our shop this must have been and you know real estate they should have notified you I can't speak to what happened there, but we do at least now have some open lines of communication and hope to be able to stay in regular contact with the team out there actually doing the work as things progress.
And since it's such an environmentally sensitive habitat, it sounded like you said they do have some monitors that are on their end, but how does that kind of environmental overview supervising go on that side?
Vice Mayor Solarsano, it's a good question and it's something we're still digging into. So the railroad has informed us or told us that they are exempt from requiring any local permits from the city or state citing federal preemption so we're digging into that a little bit to understand what exactly that means or what the limits of that might be That being said, they do have environmental and cultural resource monitors out there on site.
We've met with some of those folks so we know they're out there, we know that they're involved in this project but I can't speak to what kind of performance criteria or obligations they might have to make sure the work is done correctly. I just don't know at this point in time.
No thank you thanks for sharing what you know
A follow-up question about that is, do you know if there was any safety mitigation below? Some of the videos I saw of the skip loaders were very disturbing just because it's working on a cliff above a populated beach area and I'm not sure that's been communicated to Union Pacific. They should have safety mitigations in place or if there were because I didn't know if that had happened.
Through the Mayor, Council Member Mayer we did bring it up you know concerns about pushing material over the bluff edge while they're doing any vegetation clearing you know UPRR claimed that they are not doing so that they would be mindful of it but we can remind them again particularly right the safety concern That is a public beach and folks do use that, and we want to make sure that people aren't getting hit with debris from above.
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Any other questions? I have a question in terms of the hearing that occurred on the 21st will public comments still be accepted or when we start October 5th what will that they'll just go straight into deliberation?
Mayor Alarcon, that's correct. So the Planning Commission has opened and closed the public hearing portion of the item and so the intention is that they would pick up with their deliberations when they reconvene on October 5th. Now if something happens, the commission could elect to reopen public comment. That's within their discretion but as of this time, the intention is that we would go straight into deliberations when we pick up on October 5th
Great, thank you. And then just another question that I received from the public is just the need for clarification in terms of how the EIR is certified and if it's the general plan or the Carpinteria Municipal Code that trumps kind of the certification of the EIR?
Mayor Alarcon, I can take a stab at this one and Jenna may or may not be able to help. They're related but they're not exactly the same thing. The EIR is really looking at how the project does or does not Exceed stated thresholds for environmental impacts on a variety of issue areas, right? So biological resources cultural resources traffic so on and so forth there are Complementary policies in some cases in the general plan that also touch on some of those issue areas And so there is some relationship between the two but There's kind of specific criteria, if you will, for the EIR that might be somewhat different in some cases than what's in our general plan policies. And so they're not exactly looking at the same thing through the same lens, if that makes sense?
I'm struggling here to explain it more clearly. Yeah, I think ultimately a project needs to receive a certified environmental document as having satisfied the requirements of CEQA. And then additionally the planning commission if they want to approve the project needs to find that the projects consistent with the applicable general plan policies and the zoning code standards that apply to it. So, both tests have to be met or passed in order to ultimately approve a project and move it forward. But they're not exactly covering all of the same topics in the same exact manner.
Great. Thank you. No other questions?
Thank you. I'd now just like to turn it back to Ryan Kentz to just give a little bit more information on e-bike enforcement and the youth diversion program.
Thank you, Michael. Yeah mayor and council members just wanted to give an update to the council in the community on our e-bike and youth diversion efforts as the sheriff mentioned earlier this evening he gave a brief update but I'll expand on that a bit so um in total the Sheriff's Department has issued 29 citations through our targeted enforcement operations in partnership with the Sheriff office We're now contacting the eligible families about our youth diversion class. As the council remembers, the focus of this is really on education not really enforcement but the enforcement is a tool we're using to educate the community and the bike riders.
This youth diversion class is currently scheduled for November 7th. It is in partnership with Move Santa Barbara who will be hosting and providing the training and also the Carpinteria Unified School District will be providing the location. The program, as we've mentioned before, gives eligible minors an opportunity to complete the bicycle and e-bike safety class instead of paying that administrative fine which is about $100 per citation. And it goes up if they get another one.
Upon successful completion there they will be eligible for the citation to be dismissed and that really is the goal. We do have additional targeted enforcement planned for the months of October and November, so we're going to continue with that. And then depending on the number of enforcement activities and citations issued will reassess and come back to the council for some additional information in direction.
I'm happy to answer any questions.
No questions thank you
Great, with that I'd like to turn it over to our Program Manager for Public Information and Emergency Preparedness to discuss a little bit on our host season as well as some brief updates on emergency preparation.
Thank you. So, I wanted to start out by sharing a timely update regarding the potential public safety power shutoffs or PSPS affecting Carpinteria and the surrounding areas. These were not a part of the City Manager's report originally as when the time that the agenda was published we were not aware of any potential PSPS in our area. So at this time, and this was just maybe 30 minutes ago, the circuits affected identified include Sheffield, Vallesieto and Kickapoo Trail.
Conditions in affected areas can change rapidly so we encourage residents to reach out to SCE or go to sce.com slash psps Conditions are changing super rapidly, so I don't want to say that just these circuits will be affected as those can definitely expand as needed. So Southern California Edison in coordination with the city has established a community resource center at Veterans Hall for residents who may be impacted by any PSPS. The center provides snacks and water resiliency kits which include flashlights and other medical supplies charging stations for personal and medical devices, and a place for residents to access support and information during the outage. The center is open today until 10 p.m., and then they'll be open tomorrow from 8 a.m.
to 8 p. m., and Southern California Edison is considering extending the hours depending on how long the PSPS continues. However, at this time the PSPS is projected to last through tomorrow which is September 29th but again conditions can change quickly and the timing of the areas affected may be adjusted. For the most current information regarding the PSPS including potentially affected areas we encourage the public to reach out to SCE or visit sce.com slash psps And then I have an additional update in regards to hosts. So this year, the host season had another really strong season of welcoming visitors from the community and a lot of tourists as well providing a friendly local resource. From May through September, host volunteers served over 3,600 visitors and welcomed 690 pups at the kiosk.
The season included 42 days of service total and 109 volunteer shifts which is amazing Visitor activity was the strongest in July when the kiosk welcomed about 1,200 visitors and then followed by June and then August. We continue to see a majority of the activity on Saturdays estimating about 1,700 visitors on a given Saturday. Beyond the visitor counts, the host program Greatest Assets continues to be its volunteers. We would not be able to run that program without them. Their time knowledge and welcoming presence make it possible for the city to provide this personal point of contact throughout the very busy visitor season and across 109 shifts 26 volunteers total helped create a positive first impression for thousands of people while serving as knowledgeable ambassadors for the community of Carpinteria.
And we're very grateful for all of their time and expertise that they have Thank you for your report. Any questions? No questions, thank you.
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Thank you and I'm just going to give a brief update on a couple of other community events. Our Parks and Recreation and Community Services Director is out today, it's also her birthday as well as the City's 61st birthday and so i'll give both of them a shout out the city and Jeanette for their birthday. And then just a real quick update on Age Well So there was an emergency planning workshop for Spanish speakers on Friday, September 4th. And Julissa and her team helped host that for the Abuelos group. There were more than 20 participants.
that signed up for the County of Santa Barbara's Emergency Preparedness Program, ReadySBC which is a big effort of the city to get people on that system. It was an old school model where you tried to get it out in a million different places but of course it's hard to keep all of those up-to-date and so now we the goal is to direct people to a single location and we still use all of our various channels but we share to the same location and so ReadySBC is a big effort of the city in the county. The more people on that, the better.
Participants also receive bags containing essential supplies to help them assemble a go kit for emergencies which is another thing that we really encourage people to have Of course, as the chief mentioned we have our avocado festival this weekend. Encourage everyone to come out. We just finalized the permit today. Just took it down to the wire I guess so that will be happening and then there's going to be a Saturday excursion for Agewell. So they're going to all be meeting at a location at 11am and walking over enjoying the festival together and so you can get more information about that from the Thank you. Looks like there aren't any questions on our end, so I will open up public comment. I have one speaker slip for Mr. Alan Koch. Welcome.
Council City staff city attorneys my fellow Carpinterians back there. I want to follow up on Nick's comment on October 5th the Planning Commission order continuance deliberations Okay Just one talk about this. I mean, this is a handful. I'm glad it's happening as on a separate day separate time And the planning commission will be well vested. But there's a development plan, coastal development permit, conditional use permit and certification. All four of those have to be deliberated and approved on I believe by separate individual actions. That's what I'm looking at the staff for here. You've got to remember the development plan really talks about the surf liner in and then all these off-site improvements, primarily lot number four. Okay? And the reconfiguration of lot number three.
So it is a big lift for anybody at that time. So what I'm hoping for is that everybody agrees the objective is really a fair, open discussion on all the project components. So I think as part of the package that hopefully Mindy will be sending out will include a framework for deliberations. We've had that before in other projects. But they would have to be specific. I'm just wondering how they're gonna be going through, is there a framework for each of these components?
And so that the issues can come forward and be deliberated in the public sphere completely and not sort of just skipped over and pushed through. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips, do we have anyone via Zoom?
We have one raised hand. This individual is named iPad. Somebody who's named iPad go ahead. Can you hear me? Yes.
This is Jane Benefield, otherwise known I guess as I-BEN. I have asked about five times in the last year and I have written a request that the piece of property that is still showing the story polls Have not been removed and they've been there about a year. This is the property on Linden, the vacant property on Linden between 3rd and Dorrits. It is very unsightly. There's a lot of trash and dump dirt in the back and it continues to remain an eyesore. I can't seem to get anyone to hear me so I'm now asking the city council to please make this meet the regulation Thank you for your
comments. I
will officially close public comment and just follow up on that last request, do we have any information about the story polls?
Mayor Alarcon, so typically story polls are required to be up until there's been a decision-maker hearing on the project. As you recall this was the project that was recently appealed to your City Council and so I suspect that the polls were left up through an abundance of caution for that but we can certainly follow up and ask the property owner to have them removed now that the appeal has been heard.
Perfect thank you Okay, we will now move on to the public comment portion of our agenda. So this is public comment on matters not on the agenda and I will begin with Miss Catherine Salant. Kathleen Salant welcome.
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Good evening. I requested to each of you that the City Council add an agenda item at this meeting. The item was not added to the agenda, so I'm here to add my request to the public record. I have requested a discussion and explanation of the recusal of a city planning commissioner at the September 21st Planning Commission meeting. The citizens of Carpinteria need an explanation and discussion of this unprecedented action. The Planning Commissioner, Alexander Van Antwerp, recused herself from deliberation regarding the surf liner because the attorney for the developer of this project had been threatening both this planning commissioner and the City of Carpinteria with a lawsuit if this commissioner did not step down.
When this commissioner told a packed room that she was being forced to step down because of the threats of lawsuit, everyone was gobsmacked by this turn of events. And we were all left with so many questions starting with why was she being forced to step down? If the reason was perceived bias against the project, this must be explained. Was it her previous voting record on the planning commission or any public statement she made while on the planning commission Or was it farther back in time when she was a private citizen? A person can say one thing five years ago and then change their mind. Look at the voters out there who constantly go back and forth between our major political parties. The council needs to clear the air here. This accusation, if indeed it was the case, perceived bias against the project also flies in the face of the requirements of every commissioner.
All commissioners must leave their biases at the door and assess every project on its merits and with an open mind. As a former planning commissioner I took this very seriously. It has been suggested to me by various members of our community that this particular recusal cannot be discussed by you because of one, ongoing litigation or two the threat of litigation or three matters discussed by the council in closed session do not have to be disclosed to the public.
If a council cannot discuss the particulars of Planning Commissioner Van Antwerp's recusal they can At the very least, explain what constitutes bias in a planning commissioner's decision making and why once a planning commissioner takes office her record thenceforth should not be taken as proof of non-bias and open mindedness. Carpinterians are upset. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Mr. Mark Rock? Welcome.
Thank you. Good evening Madam Mayor, members of the Council, esteemed City Management and staff. Good evening. I came here tonight prepared to discuss dangerous conditions on our city beach. I understand that Ms. Gant is not in attendance and will not be in attendance and it's my belief that as Director of Parks and Recreation and Community Services That because the ultimate responsibility for our community's lifeguard program rests with her, it would not be appropriate to adjudicate this matter in her absence.
So therefore I'm going to take this opportunity to do two things. First of all, I've sent each one of you an email requesting that we agendize this item so that we can have an open forum public discussion on how to resolve this ongoing dangerous condition that is on our beach City management is aware of what the topic is and I would also then secondly like to go ahead and take this opportunity to publicly thank Mr. Hintz and Mr. Ramirez for their obvious commitment to public safety in resolving this matter so all that said, I look forward to communicating with you shortly and I'm going to yield balance my time to the next speaker. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Mr. Victor Garza welcome
Mayor Alicorn, Council Members. I'm here to follow up on an email I sent earlier today regarding the proposed Surfliner Inn project. At last Monday's meeting during the discussion about impacts to Elm Avenue caused by Alternative 5 which is Parking Lot 4 Mention of a CIP, or that Elms Avenue was on the CIP got my attention. And I thought the city should not be paying for this.
So I have written to all of you and the Planning Commission to require the developer to bear all of the costs of designing and constructing Any improvements that are needed to address the impacts caused by Lot 4 onto Elm Avenue. So as I haven't gotten an answer yet as to which way it's supposed to go, so as a taxpayer I am expecting that all of you will be requiring the developer to bear all the costs and not the city. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments Mr. James Nichols?
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You know, it seems to me that there's an easy solution to this Redtail parking problem. Since Redtail does not actually need access to Baylord Avenue because there is already an existing access road. This is the access road that the current owner has been using for decades. If Redtail uses the existing access road then Redtail has no direct access to Baylord Avenue Thank you for your comments. Ms. Betty Jeppesen
Thank you very much again. Just add a couple of things that give you some more power against this Redtail development. Redtail first went to the City of Carpinteria and asked for the land on which they proposed to build to be annexed into the City of Carpinteria, its county land. Then the city, the Redtail developer asked the City of Carpinteria to allow them to have the required second emergency exit onto Baylord. They were denied on both counts In a letter at that time, the late, he passed away, former Carpinteria Community Development Director Steve Goja rejected the development. In his letter he said our position that high-density urban development is not appropriate for rural or agricultural areas Along the city's edges and it is further supported by the following adopted policies found in both the counties and the cities respective Respective certified local coastal plans LC LCPs and the California Coastal Act The County Coastal Land Use Policy 4-4 in areas designated as urban on the land use plan maps and in designated rural neighborhoods, new structures shall be in conformance with the scale and character of the existing community.
Clustered development, varied circulation patterns and diverse housing types shall be encouraged. The California Coastal Act section 30250 subsection A new residential commercial or industrial development except as otherwise provided in this division shall be located within contiguous with or in close proximity to existing developed areas able to accommodate it or where such areas are not able to accommodate it in such other areas with adequate public services and where it will not have significant adverse effects either individually or cumulatively on coastal resources.
He finished by saying, we believe that the density included in the project concept is far too high for the Baylor site resulting in structures out of scale and character with the existing community and negatively impacting coastal visual resources. Finally this project should not be lumped with Van Wingerden 1 & 2 Thank you for your comments. Ms. Amrita Som, welcome
Good evening. I just did see something about the city getting a lot of money for the pool and that's great news, and the library. I'm here to...I talked to Natalia yesterday briefly. I am wondering how can the Planning Commission certify the Surfliner EIR If the codes and objectives found in our Carpinteria Municipal Code and our general plan are not part of the basis of decision-making, can the City Council inform the public and the decision makers how existing codes will be enforced during the certification process of the Surfliner? Can you, the City Council, please direct Community development or whoever it is before October 5th 2026 when reviewing the final EIR comments that were found in the Draft EIR, the written comments. They were acknowledged each comment was acknowledged and if the person liked the hotel they were thanked and if they made suggestions or asked for questions to be clarified about the municipal code, the general code, almost anything.
Whoever wrote it dismissed these concerns and justified their position. This to me is bias and not objective or substantial evidence. Everything that disagreed with certifying the EIR was dismissed. I'm not going to read all of the codes that are not being used and abided by. They're all in the letter that I sent to the council members. I would like to just conclude that, in the staff report, they talk about the impact of the views and how it would be affected.
And it would be affected. That's on page 37 and 38. But what about looking to north of the railroad? Why is that not being considered? The mountain range is north of the railroad tracks. The story polls showed all of us that the views would be obscured. Again, the staff report says Where the building temporarily interrupts a portion of the mountain view, broader views would reappear as pedestrians, bicyclists, motorists and trail users move through the area.
Yet this is not a class one impact according to whom? My conclusion is I agree with the Carpinteria Valley Association that the EIR, the final EIR is fundamentally deficient and legally inadequate under CEQA in spite of the justifications given by the final EIR. Creating low-income jobs is not the purpose of building the hotel and its sole impact. This final EIR and the staff report feels like an insult to those of us who are residents and taxpayers of the City of Carpinteria. Not acknowledging visual impacts, not considering the safety issues related to parking lot 4 Not providing enough parking to meet the needs of the proposed hotel guests employees community garden workers local businesses including new businesses results in a biased EIR and staff report without sufficient and accurate data analysis near your overtime so
if you
can Environmental impacts,
thank you. Appreciate it Thank you for your comments Miss Cindy Marcus
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I just wanted to add one thing to what I said before about the lack of parking and the dangers of what happens when people don't have enough parking. I'm on the board of the Casitas Village Homeowners Association, and our manager is constantly sending out letters to people who park in the alley and in the fire lane telling them they park all over the place because they can't find parking.
And we find them, we do everything we can And it still doesn't change anything. So that's without redtail. If you have redtail in there, it's going to be just impossible. I don't know what we're going to do. So I just wanted to make that point and let you know it's already a problem. So please don't make it more of a problem. Thank you. And don't let them make it more of a problem.
Tell them they need more parking, or they can't use your city streets. Or get the easements that they need, or whatever it is that they're asking for. You need to solve the problem as it is now and adding more units without parking is not going to help. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Ms. Tristine Rainer? OK. And Mr. Rogelio Delgado. Welcome.
Buenas tardes, thank you. Roger Delgado, Carpinteria resident. I have two points. Number one regarding the budget this is what the city needs to do clear to the point five ten minute presentation showing A the annual budget amount B People are concerned with our property tax allocation. Where is all the money going? Show where the $5.6 million are allocated. Example, city salaries, city services, landscaping services.
Those expenses Please reflect the total dollar amount being spent. Furthermore, show to the community why and how current expenses are larger than the income being received through property taxes. Also show to the community what the city is doing to adjust its budget currently as of today Also, what services will be affected if registered boarders do not approve the sales tax increase with city layoff employees?
If services would be reduced, if the sales tax doesn't pass, city personnel needs to be reduced to adjust its budget. Services would be reduced One observation, currently the city has no one to address the Hispanic community in Spanish. Why not? They're taxpayers and need to be taken into account. They are being left in the dark. Point number two, one of the key persons on City Council is Monica Salorzano.
We need her experience to take on the challenges that the city's facing today Her knowledge of our community concerns is impressive. She has those concerns always on her mind and she's always looking for the best solutions. Monica Solorzano can be seen at other schools, can be seen Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips, do we have anyone via Zoom? Mayor we have no raised hands
I will officially close public comment and I will request that our city attorney, if you can address the questions pertaining to the recusal of Commissioner Van Antwerp please.
Happy to Mayor Alarcon, Council Members. So I think I'd like to start by just acknowledging that the city does take recusals very seriously and I know from experience that most if not all of the current sitting council members have had to recuse themselves from certain matters over the years. I also think it maybe would be helpful to start by explaining why recusals are sometimes necessary and this gets to, you know without getting too in the weeds. I'm happy to go there if you'd like but without getting too into the weeds kind of the legal standards that public officials so that's planning commissioners and City Council members are held up to So I'll start with both the U.S. Constitution and the California Constitution grant applicants, so an applicant is someone who comes to the city asking to develop a piece of property in a certain way.
So these constitutions grant applicants due process rights which require among other things that applicants receive a fair hearing before what is in legal terms called an impartial or an unbiased decision-making body and that the decision that's made is based off of evidence on the record and testimony presented during the hearing. So not on a public official or planning commissioner or city council members prejudgment or information that they heard outside of the public hearing where a decision is being made I also think it's important to note that. You know, applicants are entitled under the Constitution to raise their concerns regarding potential violations of their constitutional due process rights at any stage in the proceeding. Right?
They can raise them before the hearing, at the hearing. Technically they can even raise them after the hearing but they'll probably not have as strong of an argument so... But they can raise those at any right there it's a constitutional a constitutional right that they have. And I think before we go further, it's also important to kind of just recognize that this isn't about whether a commissioner or a council member can or cannot set aside personal opinions. And it's not about whether a commissioner or a council member had a right to speak about certain policy issues. It really comes down to whether a specific legal standard is met and so in California The appellate courts have established that specific legal standard as whether the decision maker has an unacceptable probability of actual bias.
And so whether this standard applies or is met, or is triggered depends heavily on the specific facts and circumstances of each case. And I can reassure you, I know you all know that we've had these conversations but just to reassure you that throughout this period, throughout the past several months, the City Attorney's Office, we've reviewed all of the available correspondence That has been referenced here the letters going back and forth between Applicants Council and Commissioner Van Antwerp's legal counsel.
We've researched the applicable case law, and we've had conversations with city staff, with council members, and with Commissioner Van Antwerp and her attorney. I'm happy to go into any more detail if you would like, but i'll leave it at that without kind of getting too much in into the legal jargon.
Can I ask a quick follow-up question? So one thing I have heard from different residents is a concern that the freedom of speech of elected officials or commissioners is something that's impacted by recusals. Can you give some background as to the ways that that would be true or would not be true? Yes, I'll do my best there.
So this is a little bit of actually kind of an interesting legal something to think about legally but you know your free speech right is a constitutional right and what I just went into is that an applicant also has due process Right that come from the Constitution. So here you have an individual that's a public official with a constitutional right and then an applicant with another constitutional, right? So, you know public officials whether they be planning commissioners or City Council members or what-have-you supervisors County supervisors You know They do you you are still an individual you're still a private individual and you retain your First Amendment rights and are free to express your views freely on virtually all public issues.
At the same time, as I was mentioning right applicants also have a constitutional right at their due process rights and including the right to have an application considered by an impartial or unbiased decision making body. So I think it's you kind of have to think maybe the best way to do this is with an analogy. Right? So if if you're in court and there's a judge and the judge also is an individual, private individuals. They have free First Amendment rights, free speech rights and they're free to speak on any issue they want but if they've publicly announced or put in any public forum before a trial that they're going to be hearing that they think one side should win or they have animosity towards one of the parties in the case that they're going to hear, isn't whether the judge had a right to make that statement.
They did, right? The issue is that that judge is now biased from deciding the case between those two parties, one of which they made a statement saying that you know they're impartial too. They're not impartial to so I think that's a hopefully that, that helps kind of clarify it but you can't take one constitutional right and make that Trump someone else's constitutional right. And I think that you know the same, the same principle applies here right the Commissioner In this case, doesn't lose his or her First Amendment rights by serving on the Planning Commission. But statements made about a specific project could have implications for their ability to review that project on the commission.
And so I just want to make sure that the public knows it's not that we can't speak about General policy issues, from what I understand we can. We just can't if we have said something about a specific project that we're revealing in this specific quasi-adjudicate way. Quasi-adjudicative hearing, yes. That's kind of the narrow instance where recusal might be needed, whereas we could still speak generally about any issue that we would want to.
That's a great and you're bringing up another point so the cases in terms of there there's a whole body of case law that goes into determining whether or not certain public officials a public official is has bias or has an impermissible probability of bias And so when we're analyzing this, that's what we do. We go and read those cases and try to make analogies to any situation that the city is facing. I have too many things going on in my mind right now but in those cases They make a distinction between statements on general policy issues that may affect everyone citywide, or an issue that is considered a quasi-adjudicative matter. And that's really a matter where you're deciding on someone's property rights specifically. So you're either deciding whether or not to grant them a land use entitlement, a permit, et cetera.
And so statements on general policy generally Don't rise to the level of Statements that would be that would constitute bias whereas statements about a specific project Do because they're considered more to be advocacy. I like this project. I don't like this project. I Like this developer, I don't like this developer Etc. And so there's a distinction that's made there as well. So even with your free speech right? It's the The you know be careful if you also want to have the opportunity to consider a project. You have to be very careful about what you may say about those specific quasi adjudicative matters so that the permits that are coming down the line the land use entitlements et cetera project specific comments
No, thank you very much because I can understand the confusion that we've been hearing. I know from our constituents and community members so I appreciate getting some more information out there.
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And Ms. White, I do see your hand but public comment is officially closed so please encourage you catch us in person or via email with the thoughts that you have. Via email or in person please? Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, we will now move on to the consent calendar and I will open up public comment for the consent calendar. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom comment.
Okay, I will close public comment for the consent calendar and bring it back to the Council.
I move to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held September 14, 2026, to receive and file the warrant register for the period of September 7 through September 18, 2026 pursuant to Carpinteria Municipal Code Section 2.08.150F to receive and file the report of contracts executed by the City Manager for the period of August 4 through September 7th, 2026 and to adopt resolution number 6497 approving an amendment to the city's conflict of interest code.
Second.
We have a first and second all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes. Okay are we ready for okay we will take a 10-minute break and we will resume thank you Hello, all. And welcome back to the Carpinteria City Council meeting. Today is September 28th, 2026 and it is 7.32 PM and we will be resuming our meeting on agenda item number 11 which is the selection of two council members to attend a Beach Smarts community meeting on beach resilience and sediment management in Santa Barbara County on October 1st, 2026.
Good evening Mayor, thank you. I'll be taking this item so to begin with the Beach Smart project is being led by the Santa Barbara County Flood Control District to improve sediment management and build long-term resilience for beaches creeks and coastal communities A BeachSMART team is currently developing an alternatives and feasibility analysis, which a draft identifying potential southern Santa Barbara County beaches for sediment placement strategies is expected later this month or just in a few days.
The community meeting will be held for the Carpinteria region At Ash Avenue Beach on Thursday, October 1st from 530 to 7pm at the Veterans Memorial Building. The purpose of tonight's item is to select two council members to attend the October 1st event. Council policy last year the City Council adopted a policy for determining priority attendance at Brown Act covered meetings Events sorry for non-ceremonial events with more than two council members invited priority goes to the mayor and a council member with relevant subject matter expertise Councilmember mayor currently serves as the city's primary representative on the beacon board and beacon stands for beach erosion authority for clean oceans and nourishment And Councilmember Clark serves as the alternate.
Vice Mayor Solorzano previously served as the primary representative These roles provide relevant experience in beach erosion, coastal resilience and sediment management The council may follow the policies framework or use its discretion to determine which two council members should attend the event and that concludes my presentation
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Thank you. Quick question, is the work for Beach Smart? I think I saw it in the earlier report from the Supervisor's Office. Will it focus on Ash Avenue and the beach there?
Correct.
Any questions from Council? Okay no questions. I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips. Do we have anyone via Zoom?
We have no zoom comment
OK, I will officially close public comment and bring it back to the council for deliberation. We have two slots available with three interested council members. I'd be happy to hear of interest from each council member before we make a motion. Do you want to
put your?
I'd like to attend.
I would like to attend, I was just at the last Beacon meeting on Friday where Beacon is a big part of putting on the Beach Smart presentation and it's findings that is in part funded and supported by Beacon. So I've been kind of for the last two years part of this process so it would be something that I would really like to be part of And then I'm not certain if Vice Mayor Solorzano is interested, if she's the third. But if so, I think that priority should go to her as the district representative representing the Beach neighborhood and Ash Avenue Beach.
Thank you for saying that. That was going to be exactly what I was going to say is, I would like to attend just because the focus is on Ash Avenue which is in District 1 and I do get a lot of constituent questions and interaction about sediment distribution in that area.
I'm good if you want to put that in motion.
Would anyone like to? And just to confirm, you would also like to attend?
Well they can go.
Can someone put
a motion
together?
So moved.
We have a first and a second for Representatives Julia Mayer and Monica Solorzano to attend, all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes. We will now
move on to item number 12 which is the ratification of city participation in regional 2026-2027 winter storm preparedness letter and update on state of emergency proclamation
Good evening Mayor, Council Members. Yes, Ryan Kinsistent City Manager I'll take this item real quick. So tonight this item has two purposes really first as the title says we're asking council to ratify the city's participation in a regional letter requesting additional state assistance and regulatory flexibility in preparation for the upcoming winter storm season and projected El Nino.
Second, we also want to provide an update both to the City Council and to the community on the city's own preparedness efforts for El Nino so I'll be joined tonight by Julie Zebriones and also Gerald Kamadi our interim Public Works Director if you guys have any questions for them as well So on September 18th, the Santa Barbara County SBCAG and several other local jurisdictions such as City of Goleta, City of Santa Barbara including Carpinteria we all submitted a letter to Governor Newsom requesting expedited permitting additional resources and assistance with flood protection activities for the upcoming El Nino season. Given the urgency, our Interim Public Works Director Gerald Comati he signed the letter on behalf of the City's Public Works Department and we're bringing it back to Council tonight for a ratification.
Interestingly just three days later the Governor actually proclaimed a statewide state of emergency in anticipation of this upcoming El Nino. That proclamation addresses several areas that were requested in our letter. It does not provide all the regulatory relief that was requested, however. So meanwhile, the city has been actively preparing for the upcoming winter. Our preparations include storm drain maintenance, coordination with county flood control regarding creek maintenance and creek preparations for those large flood amounts that could come through our creeks and also preparations for our annual winter berm protect, the winter protection berm at the beach and continued availability of free sandbags for residents which we do every season In addition to those physical preparations, we're working with our regional partners to ensure the city and community are prepared to respond if significant storms do occur which they likely will.
With that I'll turn it over to Juliza who will provide a brief overview of our emergency management and community preparedness activities
Thank you, Ryan. So I'll touch a little bit on the city's emergency preparedness and response efforts and importantly what it means when we say that the city is prepared to respond 24 hours day seven days a week in 365 days a year. The city's emergency management program maintains ongoing coordination with the Santa Barbara County Office of Emergency Management and all of our emergency response partners This includes Cal OES, the Carp Summerlin Fire Protection District, the American Red Cross and regional community emergency response team partners across the county. Our preparedness work includes emergency shelter planning, emergency operations center and incident command system training, coordination exercises and ongoing communication with our regional partners.
We also provide preparedness presentations and supplies and training as well as technical support to individuals and community organizations in Carpinteria. We're also taking a lot of steps to help residents prepare as well. We have a series of ads in the coastal view, in anticipation of El Nino, to help promote general preparedness efforts such as building a kit.
The city also provides like Ryan mentioned free sandbags to Carpinteria residents as supplies are available Our public works manager Ryan Airely actually ordered about 30 tons of sand and so that has been delivered and is available now. We have a couple of ads in the CBN as well regarding this, and we will have a lot of information on social media but we really do encourage all of our residents to take sandbags now.
It's never too early to get started you can just prepare them and then have them you know in your garage or on the side just ready to go so you don't have to come here in the middle of the rain. We would like to avoid that as much as possible Our free self-service sandbag station is located here at City Hall and it has a limit of 20 sandbags per household to make sure that we have ample for everybody. The city also participates in the county's ReadySBC emergency notification system And we also utilize Genesis Evacuation Emergency Zone Mapping.
These systems provide established tools for communicating evacuation warnings and orders, severe weather events and other urgent information to the community. Before during and after an incident city staff maintained communication with the County Office of Emergency Management and our emergency response partners And that occurs often, you know yes during the day but also you know if conditions warrant them then you know during nights weekends and holidays as disasters don't take into consideration some of those things. During significant storms or other emergencies our teams are boots on the ground they monitor city streets storm drains public facilities beaches and shoreline infrastructure we respond to impacts and we establish closer closures when necessary In addition, we support evacuation and shelter operations in coordination with the Red Cross.
We actually have a Red Cross trailer actually right behind us outside that is ready to go and it is stocked for about 20 evacuees if we need them at a moment's notice just in the event that you know they can't get here in a timely fashion we have something at least to start with and our city staff is trained to open up a shelter Ultimately preparedness is an ongoing operation. It's the planning, training partnerships, communication systems and people that allow the city to respond when our community needs us.
I'm here if you have any questions regarding active preparedness efforts and mitigation efforts but otherwise I'll turn it over to Ryan unless there's any questions.
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Hi thank you for your report how and where may the public get sandbags?
So we have them behind here in the public works yard. It's open 24 hours a day so we have the actual bags and then we have the actual sand, so it is fill as you go. There's no staff member out there at any given time however if any residents require any assistance they're more than welcome to call the city and we can definitely Thank you.
Yeah, question for you also on this one here. When we did or had the last storm we ended up with a lot of debris. Do you have plans on where to stage that debris for removal currently so the public knows where this is going to go? Because in the past we just had to fake it and a lot of it went down to the beach.
So it really depends on where this debris comes from. In the flood channels and things like that, that is you know the Flood Control District manages all of that but if there's any city streets or other city infrastructure where that is we really...it's a case-by-case basis so we would always choose here first at City Hall if we're able to host it here But if you know, if there is a lot of debris and we can't host all of it here then yes at times It would be on the beach or other areas. We really take into account safety first And we work with the Carpinteria Summerlin Fire Protection District before placing any debris anywhere in any given space in the city
Sounds good another question I have then this is for homeowners Do we have any plans or have you put anything in place for preparation for the storms coming in? And when I ask that, I'm talking about excessive green waste. People that may want to clean the yards where that green waste is going to go. We have with EJ Harrison just the dumpsters currently but we'll be looking at a lot more debris possibly and if housings or homeowners want to start removing some of that debris it'd be nice to have a location to actually move that too maybe have a mulcher chipper there on site so we can Just go ahead and save that for future composting.
Absolutely, that's a great suggestion I'll work with our environmental sustainability team who they're really the experts in this area and we can see if we can work with EJ Harrison to establish something like that
I have a question you may not know the answer, but the state of emergency declaration by Gavin Newsom. Does that activate any sort of state or federal cost sharing so that the city doesn't have to take the tab up? I mean i'm thinking very specifically about the winter berm that we build if there are a lot of storms we may have to rebuild that multiple times in the season is that something that there is alternatives like funding for through the state or the federal.
So short answer is it depends. It depends on the severity of the storm and what comes through, but city staff were being proactive and we're tracking all of our time, all of the costs that we're putting in in terms of berm sandbags even any messaging or any ads that we're placing in the CVN so we're being really diligent and trying to track everything to be able to hopefully recuperate some of those costs. We obviously don't want a really bad storm to hit but if it does and we need to recuperate we definitely will have the documentation in place so that we do
Thank you. Any other questions? Okay, no questions.
Wonderful well that concludes our presentation and staff recommends that the council ratify the letter and receive and file the update.
Thank you I will open up public comment. I do not have any speaker slips for this item. Do we have anyone via zoom?
Mayor we have no raised hands.
I will officially close public comment bring it back to the council for deliberation and of course a motion
I'll move to ratify the interim Public Works Director of City Engineers signature on the September 18, 2026 regional letter and receive and file the update regarding the statewide state of emergency proclamation and the city's winter storm preparedness activities.
We have a first and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? None. Motion passes. We will now
move on to item 13, which is economic vitality services agreement with the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce.
Mayor if I may so before consideration of this item I wish to disclose that I've been endorsed by the chamber in my re-election bid and I'll be receiving a campaign contribution from them based on these circumstances and on advice from council I'm recusing myself from participation in this matter And I would like to also acknowledge that I did not reach out to the chamber for a... Wow, what's the word?
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Endorsement, well apologies. I didn't reach out to them for an endorsement but they did endorse me but there has been no campaign contribution made so i will be staying here.
Thank you for those statements um council member mayor we've also looked into this issue specifically for you and we don't see any conflict of interest so
great okay i will hand it over to staff put the report out thank you
Thank you Mayor, Council Members. So good evening. Over the past several months the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce has participated in several meetings with our Economic Vitality Committee to explore opportunities to strengthen our relationship with the local business community. At our July 15th meeting, the committee received a presentation and proposal from the chamber outlining a potential economic vitality partnership. Following that discussion, the committee recommended bringing the proposal to the full City Council for consideration Since then, City staff and the Chamber have continued refining that proposal into a 12-month pilot program focused on direct business outreach, connecting businesses with available resources, and providing the city with information about local economic conditions and business needs.
The proposed agreement before you tonight is for $30,000 with funding available in the City's existing budget so no appropriations would be needed tonight. The pilot approach will allow us, the City to evaluate the program's effectiveness before considering any long-term agreement or future expansion of the program. Rather than go into details of the proposal, I'd like to introduce Rachel Murphy from the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce who will walk the Council and the public through the proposed program.
Following Rachel's presentation, the chamber including Rachel oh and Talia, hi Talia will be available for any questions and so will staff. So with that i'll turn it over to Rachel and Talia.
Great and welcome.
And I can help from over
here as well. All right, good evening Mayor Alarcon and Carpinteria City Council members. My name is Rachel Murphy and I am the Public Policy Coordinator for the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce. And I'd also like my team here to introduce themselves as well.
Good evening Mayor and Council Members, I'm Talia Hart the Chief Growth Officer for the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce.
Okay, our chamber proudly represents approximately 1,000 businesses and approximately 75,000 jobs across the south coast of Santa Barbara County including the cities of Carpinteria, Santa Barbara and Goleta. And we're here tonight to present this economic vitality services proposal to the city which is a 12-month pilot program aimed to support Carpinteria's businesses. This presentation you have is the result of chamber staff exploring this partnership with the City. We got excellent feedback from the Economic Vitality Committee and city staff has really helped us reach a proposal that we're proud to share. We really believe this partnership will be beneficial to the City, the City's businesses and the overall community.
And we've tailored it to what we believe is the best fit for the city and Carpinteria community, meaning we aren't compromising Carpinteria's special character, small town charm and strong community ties. Instead this program allows us to really just regularly meet with businesses to support them gather timely and necessary data and bridge the relationship between the business community and the city So our plan is to go through these slides and have a discussion at the end, but if you have any questions throughout my presentation please feel free to let us know and we're happy to answer.
So to start, I'd like to give a brief overview of what the City will get in this 12-month program. First, the City gets a direct line to the business community including real time insights rather than outdated data or surveys that lack context. We really hope that this will increase business engagement with the City Council, Economic Vitality Committee and other city staff and departments.
Second you get early warning on any friction points businesses have with permitting licensing and any other General city processes before they snowball into bigger issues Third, you'll get data that identifies trends business sentiment and a few actionable recommendations per quarter. And lastly You'll get at least one day per week of dedicated chamber staff capacity focused entirely on Carpinteria So next, I want to discuss who is our team that's going to be backing these efforts. We have a really dedicated chamber team and to start as the Chamber's Policy Coordinator, I will be dedicating about one day a week to visiting businesses in person, gathering data, conducting follow-ups, supporting the city and growing stronger relationships with businesses.
And I'll also be supported by Talia
So I have executed many of these contracts in my previous professional experience. I was the CEO of the Irvine Chamber, San Rafael Chamber, San Francisco and most recently Healdsburg which has a very similar demographic to here we have about 11,500 people but I've helped execute all economic development contracts in those areas
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Tonight I also have Tom Phillips to introduce BEAM and their involvement in this contract.
Good evening, I'm Tom Phillips. I'm also a resident of Carpinteria and BEAM is part of the chambers where the chamber's free and fully volunteer mentoring service. We're made up of about 30 different mentors with all skill sets so we have the capability of helping any company from an entrepreneur trying to start a business or trying to scale their business We have one goal in mind and that is to create jobs. So there's no other conflict except helping a company create jobs, be profitable, be sustainable and grow.
All right. Thank you, Tom and Tom and the B mentors will be playing a really big role in this contract by really helping with our boots on the ground outreach accompanying me in my in person visits to businesses. And they're also a wonderful resource for businesses as well that we can connect them with So next we have our business engagement ladder. And this slide was put together to more clearly highlight what we mean when we talk about boots on the ground, relationship building, business support and engagement in data collection.
This will be the model that we will be using during our outreach. So first in stage one, our B mentors or some of our chamber ambassadors will be accompanying me for in-person visits to businesses so that we can just introduce ourselves, introduce the partnership between the city and the chamber. And really just let them know that we're there to support them and we're really not trying to sell them anything. We really just want to be there for them.
In stage two, learning and data. We would be learning about their challenges, any future plans and also identifying any friction points they may be having with the city. In stage three, resource connection. We would be connecting them with any relevant resources or contacts they may need. And lastly we are focused on accountability and growth in order to create a strong partnership between the city and businesses.
We will be focused on you know, really bridging that gap and also evaluating the program to see, you know, has anything changed? Is anything still needed? Are the resources and support we're providing them really helpful? And we really hope that this can kind of lay the groundwork for a really strong relationship between the city and the business community.
So next, I'd like to highlight that the chamber has a lot of wonderful resources at our fingertips. Organizations and also just contacts that we have great relationships with that we believe we could connect businesses too. So in previous discussions with the city, we've positioned this partnership as a way of providing a pseudo-chamber membership For all businesses in the city, while keeping the support distinct from the value we provide to our actual member businesses.
And in practice that looks a lot like acting as the 411 for businesses on important resources and networking opportunities that could really benefit their business operations And what you see on the screen are a few categories and examples of valuable resources the Chamber can easily connect businesses to. We believe there's a lot of resources that businesses may not be aware of or may not be able to take advantage of, which makes us believe this hands-on resource connecting approach is needed There's a lot of examples on the screen. I won't go through all of them, but one thing that was highlighted in my outreach to businesses before our presentation today was you know support with HR compliance and employee laws so It would be things like that That we'd really want to support businesses on especially smaller ones who may not have the resources To do that
I think that's one of the great things about this is that Rachel has already been out fostering relationships with the business community, finding out what their needs are and getting insight to this project and how it would turn out. One of the other important things is to facilitate financial help. A lot of these businesses are suffering especially in this economy they're trying to scale, they're trying to hire and it's really important that someone is a liaison between them and the city at times so they just don't look at the city as a regulator We also want to make sure that we do outreach with other associations and organizations, which you'll hear from later. We want to make industry cluster connections for you so some of your highest sales tax producers, some of the people in agriculture, of course hospitality health care and high-tech would also be very important
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All right, and moving forward a big part of this proposal for us what's really important to the chamber is ensuring that our outreach is truly inclusive. We do plan to do outreach to Spanish-speaking businesses, business owners. We also have fluent Spanish-speaking team volunteers and chamber ambassadors who can support that outreach process. I'd also like to take a moment to say that We really truly are aware of the current political climate and sensitivity that creates within the Hispanic business community. I myself, I am a daughter of an immigrant so this is so important to me and that's why we really want to focus on building trust in our outreach and doing it in a language that people prefer if that's what they feel more comfortable in So we're committed to culturally competent and sensitive outreach, particularly in collaboration with the Immigrants Rights Coalition that's here tonight in support.
And in our outreach we could also distribute their blue cards which are Wonderful, they help business owners and workers know what to do if an immigration agent comes to their workplace They were funded by the city And lastly data will always be aggregated. So privacy is a priority I also do have one of our Spanish speaking B mentors here tonight Miguel don't know if you'd like to say any words. Oh
Council members, mayor, staff. My name is Miguel Avila. I'm the president and co-founder of the Greater Santa Barbara Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and I truly am behind this project and I really encourage you to approve it benefit. I think the Latino business community and the whole community at large will totally benefit from this project. I've already spent enough time talking to Rachel about it, I have gone through all the information that is being presented to you and I truly encourage you to approve it. Thank you.
Thank You Miguel So moving forward, I wanted to touch on what does the city really learn from this program. So we've talked about data throughout the presentation so far and leading up to our proposal, we put together a form that could be utilized as a survey to gather data or it could be used as a resource for the chamber staff and be mentors during our business outreach as a guide for their conversations with businesses.
We're planning to use the same data points in kind of survey format for other economic vitality efforts across the South Coast so that other South Coast jurisdictions can kind of have apples-to-apples comparison. And you can see the proposed data list here, for example one of them could be hiring trends in the local workforce, for example questions about business hiring or downsizing, how many employees does a business have? How many employees commute from outside of Carpinteria? Where do they live etc.? ?
And we propose that all of this information make it back to the city through the means listed on the right. So looking at bi-monthly check ins, quarterly reports, biannual reports and ask needed alerts for any critical issues that we identify during our business outreach.
I found that in cities previous to this, that the data is really important and it's a way to collect it without having to hire outside consultants which can cost several hundreds of thousands of dollars. So having someone also in person that's in your community and well-known seems to work really well. The other ways we could do it are things like We've done business outreach walks with other mayors and city council members and take a few people from the chamber Go out and talk about targeted industry clusters, whether we go to retailers restaurants You know health care ask them that what their needs are and what helps them Stay and retain their business here in Carpinteria to make a strong local economy All right, thank you Talia So a couple more things on that note is just the relationships and trust that I touched on earlier, that businesses will see the city as a partner.
That really shows up listens and helps and not just the regulator of permitting processing all the things that you have to do on a daily basis. This garners healthier businesses resource connections and mentorships which help businesses grow helps businesses stay open and helps businesses hire people so it strengthens the local tax base And then it offers greater capacity for city asks. So when the city needs support on potential budget priorities or fee updates, there's already a relationship and shared understanding. Many of the cities that I've worked with had either issues with bonds, assessment districts, infrastructure investments, or perhaps just looking at their city business license fee. So that's something that we can help you run point on and find out what the businesses need.
So on this next slide, we're just talking about what we would provide and engage over 150 businesses in the 12-month pilot program. We'd give access to 30 plus BEAM mentors and then four at least quarterly reports to you.
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All right so in conclusion At the chamber we are really excited about this and we truly, truly believe that it is a partnership that's beneficial to the city, to the city's business community and the overall Carpinteria community and residents. At the chamber we believe that improving businesses is Thank you so much for the opportunity to present today. Also a big thank you to the wonderful city staff who has been in communication with us and has worked with us to get this proposal to this point, and now we're happy to answer any questions.
Thank you for your presentation. Any questions from Council? I have a question or a few questions. So, I appreciate on a previous slide you had that there isn't any pressure for potential businesses that you support here in Carpinteria to join the chamber so can you provide a little bit or a few more examples in terms of the distinction between like a chamber member and what you'll be offering here in Carpinteria?
Actually, there really isn't any distinction. That's the great thing about this program. Typically Chambers of Commerce really support members first and we will always continue to do that but we're offering here to go out to any and every member that you see fit. Great!
And then my other question is I think here in Carpinteria, well one obviously the business community is an integral part of Carpinteria. I don't think the city has been able to have a hold of the business community in terms of receiving information or receiving feedback if it's the permitting process or whatnot I also feel as though we have our downtown DTBABS committee who focuses on the downtown area, and then we have an organization called CCA which isn't necessarily a chamber but kind of may represent one. So my question to you all is how would you all navigate this confusing landscape in terms of being a liaison to the city and the other partners?
I think a lot of it is perception now, and there is confusion to that so we can help help people get unconfused about that by bringing other associations and organizations together.
I'd also like to add to that, in my experience being with the chamber, I remember when I first started it was a bit kind of confused because I felt like there were so many other community organizations that were sort of doing similar work. When I was just starting and I wasn't really sure if there would be conflict but I really do think that our main thing that we excel at is really just convening We, you know for example we're a really big supporter of the tourism economy that drives the South Coast region and we have great partnerships with for example Visit Santa Barbara.
I feel like we have great partnerships with Like the County Workforce Development Board, all these different community organizations whether it's at the government level or other non-profits where we can all kind of... We do a lot of like convenings or maybe government affairs roundtables which you two have been at and thank you so much for being there. Where I feel like we can all kind of come together and share our different points of view and then just try to come to some sort of consensus You know, good path forward. So I think we are excited to collaborate with other community organizations and hear their input.
I think the goal for us would be that convener in that conduit to help you assess what other organizations are also doing and all of us to partner together to make it a stronger city. Thank you. Any other questions from
council members?
I just had a quick question. Um, I'd love to know what how you see like what would be a measure of success through this pilot program? Like what should we be looking for as a measure of success to, you know, maybe continue on or but what would be your goals there?
I think feedback would be one. So if you're starting to hear that we're out there and like why, you know, why all of a sudden is the city or not all of a sudden but why is the Chamber of Commerce coming out to our business? That would be a measure. If you're starting to hear things like we had a roundtable, we met with the chamber And then also on the issues, when we're advocating for things that are happening at the city that you might be putting forward. That would be another way to address and measure the success is when people are starting to really go oh I had a question for you council member and they're not just coming and showing up at the council member or at the council and complaining
I think too for us, it's really just we want to see awareness. I mean people spreading awareness of really amazing resources that are in this community that they could be using. I think that would also be a really important measure of success for us.
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you. OK, seeing no other questions I will open up public comment and the first speaker slip is for Ms. Becky Norton. Welcome.
Good evening Mayor and Council Members My name is Becky Norton and I'm speaking on behalf of the Carpinteria Immigrant Rights Coalition or CIRC for short, in support of the proposed partnership with the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce. This is my co-founder Deborah Dentler. CIRC and the chamber approach community well being from different perspectives but our goals overlap.
We both want residents to thrive, local businesses to be strong and people to be connected with economic opportunities and community resources. The chamber brings established business relationships and outreach capacity. CERC and other community organizations contribute first-hand knowledge and trusted connections with residents and workers together these strengths can extend the city's reach Our survey of 45 Carpinteria workplaces last spring, partially financed by a city grant demonstrated how closely connected these issues are.
In summary 78% reported that recent immigration enforcement had affected their businesses workers or customers more than half reported lost customers or revenue nearly half reported increased employee stress or morale problems and more than one third said workers were afraid to come to work Businesses told us that they needed better outreach and support, including know your rights education, manager training, legal information, multilingual materials and improved communication with local government.
This summer we called on the city to take steps to better inform local businesses about preparedness and how to respond effectively. We're excited that this City Chamber agreement would directly implement that recommendation. Immigrants are an important part of Carpinteria's workforce and economy. Supporting strong businesses, effective outreach, economic stability, and an inclusive community advances many of CERC's goals.
City staff has stated that funding is available for the $30,000 pilot program. Using an established partner can expand outreach efficiently by building on existing relationships and expertise. We also support their clear goals, measurable deliverables and reasonable reporting so that the council and the community can understand the partnership's results and the value of your investment.
We believe it's a worthwhile investment in stronger partnerships, better outreach, resident quality of life and healthier local economy. And we encourage the Council to approve it. Thank you. Deborah has a couple comments.
Thank you for your comments. The materials that the proposed chamber activity would deliver to local businesses, employers and employees include the blue card which was on the presentation slide and I brought some just in case any members of council staff or anyone in the audience tonight would like a copy their bilingual Spanish and English a lot packed into one easy Hand out and these were all printed locally here at Rockwell print, and we also are looking forward to help from the chamber distributing The what to do if immigration comes to your workplace guide which is also available in multiple languages So I have some of those tonight case anyone in the audience or council or staff would like copies. Thank you Thank you And you can leave those
copies with the city clerk Next we will hear from Mr. Whit Hollis, welcome.
Good evening, Mayor, Council members, Whit Hollis. I'm just here to say that I've had the pleasure of working with Rachel and Kristen Miller, the Executive Director, just met Talia, and they're very, very strong. I don't think you will regret working with them at all. I was taught leadership is figuring out the vision Selecting the team that you want to work, empowering them and then letting them do their thing. I think tonight if you agree with this, you will accomplish two of those goals. You have a really, really good team and you're empowering them to do, I think, really good work. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Mr. Jeremiah Sovenes? Welcome.
Mayor Alicone, members of the council, hello. I'm not here to speak on behalf of the program, but I am here to speak on behalf of the organization that I've worked with. So the South Coast Chambers have been very active in our work-based learning programs promoting and assisting with our CTE programs at Carpinteria High School. By the way, I'm assistant principal at Carpinteria High School. And so I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about how they've been involved in our classroom hosted industry partnerships.
And like Rachel said, I think the biggest thing they do is the convenings. They've gotten us together with businesses all around Santa Barbara, Goleta and have put us together and in touch with some of the major industries in engineering that have turned into mentors for our students who have come into our classroom, given projects for them to do, project challenges and have communicated with the students to the point where they are now resources for the students and advocates for those students going on into business in college.
They have helped with, for the last two years they've helped with a showcase for this CHIP program which many of the members of the school board and city council have attended. And they brought the members of the community together to witness the good programs that they've created in Carpinteria High School and inspired further participants in this vivacious program that we have.
So the South Coast Chambers are really good at connecting people and businesses together, and my hope is that they will continue to do their good work here in Carpinteria, and that Carpinteria High School will reap the benefits of these new connections. We hope to expand this CHIP program that we currently have going on in manufacturing and engineering. We hope to expand it to our culinary, and also our agriculture CTE programs. So thank you very much.
Thank you for your comments. Annie Slye? Welcome.
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Good evening. We hear a lot about the city budget, and you hope that the sales tax passes. And you work hard to figure out where the budget can be cut or services can be cut to balance the budget. So $30,000 is not a lot of money. a tiny, tiny part of the budget. But maybe we need to think about every dollar that we spend and every expenditure that gets approved.
Having run a small business in Carpinteria for 10 years, we found that the chamber really didn't do anything to support small businesses And have you heard anything here tonight that was said in the presentation that would have helped Nutbelly stay in business, that would have helped the retail business at the Linden Square that has already gone out? This is a pilot project that there's a lot of words, but really how is it going to help small business?
And I would hope that even if you didn't approve this that the chamber would continue to do the work that they do. The good work that You know, the previous speakers just talked about that they will still be here, still be doing that even if you don't approve this. But did you hear anything in their presentation that you think would help small businesses and help them stay in business and succeed? Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Laurel Less? Hi, welcome.
Laurel Lee is here, thank you. Nice to meet you all. I'm here with Poppy. She's crying. We came here to speak on 14 and I was listening to 13 and wanted to share that I was super empowered by it. And I really hope that you support the initiative because we want to launch a family business and I need a BEAM mentor. I need a BEAM mentor she really wants to go home but I wanted to say I am a land developer. I'm building right now one of the world's largest energy storage projects, and it's in Kern County. Poppy was a part of the project from when she was the size of a poppy seed in my belly, and it just received the California Energy Commission's unanimous approval and full stakeholder support with zero public opposition which has never happened in California history.
And I want to bring that knowledge and resources to the Carpinteria community And launch a business here and employ a lot of people. And I need an opportunity like this for mentorship, and thank you so much. Thank you.
And thank you for being here, Poppy. Thank you for your patience. Next we have Karina Kilangara. Welcome.
Thank you.
Good evening Mayor and City Council members. My name is Karina Kulangara, I'm the Associate Vice President of Research and Development at Agilent Technologies here in Carpinteria. We are a big business. Agilent Technologies is a global medical device and instrumentation company and at the Carpinteria site we employ 22 employees in manufacturing, developing and support function. I'm also very fortunate to live in this beautiful town. I am here tonight to express my strong support for the proposed Economic Vitality Pilot Program with the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce In my experience, the Chamber is a trusted community partner dedicated to the economic health of the South Coast region. I believe that there is real value in having reputable community organizations serve as a bridge between the City Hall and businesses that operate in Carpinteria.
What I particularly appreciate about this proposal is that it's structured and measurable The proposal includes a meaningful feedback loop, information about workforce conditions, business outlook growth barriers and experiences with city processes would be aggregated and shared with the city. And structured timely input from local businesses can help the city understand emerging challenges and opportunities and you can respond thoughtfully as a scientist by training and business executive I know firsthand that good decision depend on good data I strongly support the emphasis on helping businesses rather than creating another layer of bureaucracy, and this program is designed to be inclusive as you've heard before and reach businesses that have not traditionally participated in the chamber or city activities.
It is therefore an investment in Carpinteria's overall business environment And finally, I appreciate that this is a 12-month pilot program giving the city the opportunity to evaluate the partnership based on actual results before deciding next steps. For all these reasons, I respectfully encourage the City Council to approve the proposed Economic Vitality Pilot Program. Strong businesses support a strong community and strong communication between businesses in the city helps succeed everyone. Thank you for your time and your service to Carpinteria.
Thank you for your comments. I do not have any other speaker slips for this item, do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no Zoom comment.
Okay, I will officially close public comment and bring it back to the Council for any other questions, comments and of course a motion.
Well, I would love to say that I was lucky enough to be on the Economic Vitality Committee. So I've been part of getting this project to this point where it's here as a business owner but also as a city council member who represents both businesses but our residents and our future. The students that are in the CHIP program. The city's job is not to just represent one segment but to work in partnership with community members and groups, and I think that what I've seen is that this you know as the previous speaker said that the chamber is a bridge with a structured and measurable plan I think what I see as lacking in Carpinteria is an economic development strategic plan.
We don't have an ecosystem for the success of businesses, and I really look forward to getting to that point. And I think this is the first step. You know, Carpinteria is broken up into a lot of different types of business. We have our downtown businesses which are Brick and mortar mom-and-pop and restaurants, and those only can succeed with the success of businesses like Agilent. It is an ecosystem and it all has to work together in a symbiotic relationship and I look forward to working with the chamber to make this environment really thrive.
I was so grateful to see the vice principal here because every time I go, I'm so impressed by the Chambers CHIP program which is the classroom hosted industry partnerships program and it is incredibly wonderful for me to see The chamber putting on an event that is a long standing event that is investing in the Carpinteria kids being able to find good quality jobs and stay here, which to me. That's like to me. That's an undermining underlying principle of why I'm even on City Council is to see the success of the next generation here so I look forward If we put it forward, I really look forward to working with the chamber. I think this pilot program really sets us up for a next phase which is what we need to do so that's just wanted to give my thoughts about it
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First of all, thank you for the presentation. Great job on that one. I do have some comments to make first of all. Some of you may know that I'm a Rotarian and work with Rotary International Foundation. One of my key areas that I work in, I'm specialist in community economic development internationally. I've worked in over 50 countries to develop specific economics in different including many hard areas that are hit by hard times, for example Haiti. I work in Guatemala and a few other places.
Locally however one of the things that Rotary has done, I did a project it was a grant of $550,000 in conjunction with WEAVE Women's Economic Ventures That project has since been successful. The money that came back was actually returned by them, these are underprivileged women that came from Hispanic backgrounds just about all of them, about 90%. And the plan was to give them an education, show them how to do a business plan and with that business plan we put them into business with $25,000 start money seed money that included being able to pay back that $25 thousand dollars The first year of that, we were 100% successful. Since that time, we've now accumulated over $5 million for that one showing that a lot of it has to do with education components of that one.
So your points are well taken on that one. One of the things that we find most important is a community assessment and I didn't hear anything of that spoken here tonight. When I talk about community assessments, I'm talking about the needs, the assets that the area has and the culture of the communities that we work in Ideally with these factors taken into consideration, we are then able to develop a viable sustainable economy to these specific areas. So that is one thing I didn't hear but i think that's an important component that we may want to look at.
Currently as you heard you know one of our strategic priorities is financing developing and building our local economy. That is something that has been lacking We did have the chamber before, it was a Carpinteria local chamber that has since gone away. When that went away, South Coast Chamber came in. So I joined that in anticipating that we would have the equal amount of, I would say support.
And he pointed out eloquently that in fact I've been a chamber member since then but I have yet to be invited personally to any of those. I had been invited as a city council member and as a mayor but as far as assistance help, reach out or any type of contact, I had zero as a chamber member. This brings me kind of questioning what has been promised? What is actually going to be delivered?
I would say that one of the things we have to do is building local business. I think that's an important part of it. We have a lot of empty and vacant areas right now, I think one of the big challenges that we do face is how are we going to fill those things? In a recent seminar session that I sat in with the League of California Cities They talked about these vacancies actually being, I would say hit with a fine. If those things stayed vacant for X amount of time they would actually be fined and have to pay those fines based on the vacancy ratios of those units so that's something we want to take a look at I also heard a lot, and we all see this thing. We see the downtown corridor as our commercial area. However, we also have other areas.
We have failing areas for example Procore is now going to be going away. What do we have on the eastern side of the city. We have a lot of vacant areas that have not yet been developed, how do we expand that out? We talk about parking issues in the downtown corridor but we have plenty of parking on the other side but we have no retail businesses there. That may be something else I want to look at what i want to see us look at are things that we are not currently looking at open the bubble look at areas that we could potentially develop and look into areas it may require um rezoning something like that but these areas that we have to take a look at We have currently in hand our City Economic Vitality Committee, which the Mayor sits on along with Julia.
Those two and we have the resources for that. I heard from Tom, he works with BEAM, he's a local member of that one. I heard from Jamie that we also have the same kind of resources there. I've heard from Jeremiah that we also have those same things being supported and sponsored by the Chamber But why would that change with this $30,000? They should always be there. We should be a partner for that one. What I see the benefits of the chamber getting is more membership.
Right now we don't have a good presence or strong presence of the South Coast Chamber but if you did have that presence we would have more membership for you. I think that would be one of the big benefits we see $30,000 seems a lot. I originally came over here thinking we could do this in-house. We could do this because Carpinteria is extremely unique. I heard about some of the areas that you've come from. Those areas are also unique but we all have our own separate cultures. We have some extremely successful business people that live here in the city. Some of them are retired. That may be our resource for what we have, a mentoring program within the city itself. People know what's going on and what they have here so right now I'm a bit hesitant to say yes i'm 100% in favor of this.
I'm probably 50% in favor of what you're talking about. $30,000? Yes! We are strapped right now financially. I see the thirty thousand dollars as something that Items that we may already be receiving or could receive if we were members of that one. But by an additional assessment for that one, for something that we as a city and actually the city itself is actually members of the chamber these should have been offered to us a long time ago so again not being a pessimist not being the one that's throwing the dagger at you but Personally, I would like to see a little bit more depth in the plan itself to see how this is going to be affected. How this will be put forward? How this will then become something that we could work with because I didn't hear any creative thoughts anything that's going to change who we currently have right now We're gonna be working the same areas Again, I think we have a lot of areas that are untouched.
A lot of ideas that haven't been changed so I want to see those come to fruition also and I think having an expert, somebody that's an economic expert may be able to identify those whether it comes from you or somebody else these are the things I do want to see and study. So with that those are my comments
Thank you. Well, that was a wonderful presentation by the chamber and they're doing a lot of good things. But I think that the city's strongest connection with business could be when the city is its own ambassador. And why do I say that? Because we used to do it. City manager and the assistant city manager, and or they could switch or both go. And the mayor when available would go out and meet with businesses. We did that weekly.
It doesn't answer all the questions but it's this liaison with businesses and it's direct. This is a city coming at you getting your feedback and responding directly so was a lot quicker turnaround on some things And. You know, I am sensitive to the $30,000. What do you say to the people that want roads but we're throwing $30 thousand over here? And it's kind of like bad timing with the election coming up. What about the voters that are sitting out there? Should I give some more money for the sales tax or is this money being well spent over here? So I'm afraid I can't support it.
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Thank you. I have just a few comments. So what I heard, well one I want to clarify that Julia and I do sit on the Economic Vitality Committee. I'll look to staff to correct me if i'm wrong on this one but the $30,000 so these are conversations we've been having for a really long time acknowledging that Businesses need to not only survive they need to thrive in our community. In order for these mom and pop businesses to stay open, so the 15, it was we were actually allocated $15,000 per year and as a strategy try to keep businesses successful, we put those $15 and we turn them into $30,000. So this is actually two years combined. This is somewhat of a risk in terms of contracting with the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of $30 000 but I do think we have a lack of coordinated communication or like how you said ecosystem with our business community And I think when we're talking about city ambassadors or when we're talking about city staff, I don't see city staff having availability to do this really integral important work and I'll look to staff to correct me if I'm wrong there.
So I would definitely be inclined to support this partnership because Our current ecosystem is, there is none. And I know that I've done some work talking to businesses. I think everything when we're talking about organizations or individual council members talking to businesses it's all being done in silos and that's the problem that I am seeing. And I think that the Economic Vitality Committee could technically look at spending these dollars in another way. We could do activation events, but I don't think that really meets the purpose of the committee is to increase successful businesses in our community and in our area.
But I hear what those concerns are in terms of the dollars. It is sticker shock, the $30,000 but I am also really interested in hearing about what this proposal does and it's bringing in a very reputable Or I mean, and let me just pause and say that the chamber also knows we've had very transparent conversations about their reputation in the community. So that's not a secret and I think that they've really come to the table wanting to repair those relationships. And I think there's a lot of expectations on our end to ensure that these relationships are handled with care and that there isn't any pressure to join the chamber but I do think If this information isn't coming from the chamber and this partnership, it's got to come from somewhere because I do think we still have a lot of work to do in that area.
Yeah, I think I would just add by just one sentence to that is which is We can't get to an economic development strategic plan or a strategy without taking a first step with a lot of data and a lot of information, and actually with a structure already. We can't hire an Economic Development Director for $30,000. And if I'm honest, after spending the week at the Cal Cities Conference that's what every effective community has been able to do. That's been able to really drive economic development. They have this in-house director with a really strong plan and I don't see the city being able to put forth a plan that will get buy-in from the strata of businesses in this community and the strategy just allows all of us to move in the same direction And it's a pilot program.
And as the mayor said, this is a risk. But I believe that it's the right kind of risk. The community of Carpinteria, the business community of Carpinteria, it is changing quickly. We are seeing businesses close. We're seeing big businesses leave. And I think that if we don't have real If there aren't any further comments or questions, I'll request a motion. Oh if I was incorrect in terms of the funding?
So yeah, just to so these monies were in there and were previously used for the Carpinteria Valley economic profile. What we found with that is as that data became stale very quickly and so the Economic Vitality Committee started looking at other ways that those moneys might be better used and I know you all have considered a number of different things The city has a couple of different buckets where it gets funding and one of those is one-time funds, and the other one is ongoing funds. There's some other buckets but those are the two primary ones. This comes from one time fund so it's a little bit different than the monies that we use for ongoing operations understanding though that the public Doesn't always make that separation.
And I know you guys definitely state it as a risk, but I know during the Economic Vitality Committee there was a lot of talks about what the investment might be because we did bring an item to your council for potential future revenue that included a business license tax rate restructuring which is something your council will have an opportunity to consider in advance of 2028 And the importance of, and the chamber mentioned it today, of laying some of that groundwork and actually providing some services to our local businesses. So that if and when that comes around they're seeing some value there.
And then of course if that were to go through of providing additional value in the city potentially being able to do what Councilmember Mayer said and actually have a dedicated staff person in-house that could do that The various constraints on our revenue sources, property tax, sales tax and transit occupancy tax. The two ways that the sales tax is constrained is either by the tax rate or the volume of business that's happening in your community. And it was another discussion regarding whether this business stimulation is another way of potentially increasing tax revenue.
By I think what Council Member Nomura touched on is finding ways to fill the vacancies and increase business downtown. Because if that measure were to be passed, that is the cap for sales tax in a region and the only way to increase that revenue at that point would be through some sort of business simulation. And so I do think that while everything is somewhat of a risk It was the investment that the Economic Vitality Committee expressed to me prior to developing this report and bringing it forward to your council.
And Mayor, if I may answer one of your other questions regarding staff capacity. You're absolutely correct our staff is overloaded with work at this time as the Council's well aware we do not have an economic development position whatsoever you're looking at economic development right here it's Michael and I So Michael and I will be overseeing this contract. We will be overseeing the South Coast Chamber staff that we're working on this, we'll be working really closely with them to ensure we're getting the value of that $30,000. I can commit that Michael and I will be working hard to ensure that we do get value out of this but we need the help in order to see something come out of this project in order to do something In economic development, we definitely need this assistance and working with the chamber.
We really feel or sorry with the economic vitality committee staff does feel strongly that this is a mechanism that we can get there and start the process of building that economic development function of the city staff. And ultimately work towards the first step to getting an economic development strategic plan in place for the city which really does set us up for future success.
Wade, for you I can commit that we can provide regular updates to the council in the form of updates in our City Manager's Report so this is a 12-month pilot program that means it's a test run We're only committing to this one program for now, seeing how it goes. See if we get the value that we're looking for and we can provide regular updates in the city manager's report to show that the progress that we're having with this program.
On that Ryan have you reached out at all to any of the community members that would be willing to potentially volunteer for that same advisory position? Because I've talked to quite a few people that are interested in that. They said they'd be more than willing to help make sure if the city gets more on track with it, they wanted to do it for free. They're all retired executives from large businesses
Council Member Nomura, thank you for that. Personally I haven't yet had any conversations. I don't know if Michael has but you know that I think there's an opportunity here for us to bring on more volunteers as part of this program and Michael and I don't have the capacity as mentioned earlier too to oversee that function and oversee those volunteers.
We have a committee is what I'm saying right yeah that could be working in that direction also
Yeah, maybe there's a combination there. Councilmember, I think it's a great point and maybe we can utilize those additional volunteer resources to beef up this program even more.
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Are there any other? I guess I can give the chamber an opportunity to respond to any kind of our comments or deliberation if you'd like, or to provide clarity with anything before we move forward with a motion.
I think it's really tough to say that, you know, that other people can do this. I think you're right Julia, it's Councilmember Myers, it's really difficult for people to take time to do this and if you were to contract out for someone to work on economic development It's going to be much more than 30,000. I think it's important to understand that we will be bringing forward very closely and working as Ryan said with the city exactly what you need so there's not many other people that unless you're gonna hire a staffer that you can work that closely with and say this is what measurables and deliverables we need. So I think that's an important thing to remember
I heard a couple comments. First of all, BEAM is completely apolitical and when we mentor folks businesses or whether they're an entrepreneur we do not encourage them or mention to them to join the chamber so I want to make sure that everybody understands that Our 30 members are ex-business owners or retired business executives, and the strength and the willing to give is unparalleled in anywhere in the South Coast area. We have tremendous women and men.
They're incredibly intelligent but they only have one goal other than to create jobs They want to give, so we're here for the people. We're here for the businesses. We're here to see people succeed. So that's all I want to say.
Yeah, I think one last final comment I can make is that I do believe us the chamber ever since 2020 when we became the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce. What I can say about our particular chamber is we have really excelled at convening bringing different community organizations together bringing businesses together making sure that efforts are people are brought to the table to share their ideas, instead of businesses and organizations being in silos and maybe having duplicative efforts. So I really believe that convening is our strength. We have a lot of amazing resources at our fingertips, and this funding would really allow us to provide that to businesses in a very structured, often way, being able to also gather data takes a lot of staff time, it would take our time and so we believe you would be getting a lot of value from all the reports that we'd be giving back.
Giving real timely data not things that are lacking context or are outdated
Great, thank you. If there aren't any other questions or comments I think we can have a motion on the floor?
I move to approve an agreement with the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce for a 12-month economic vitality pilot program in an amount not to exceed $30,000 and to authorize the city manager to execute the agreement on behalf of the city subject to final review and approval as to form by the City Attorney
roll call vote please or uh that's a first do we have a second i will second can we have a roll call vote please
council member mayor
aye
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So that's a tie
and the motion fails. Can I make a suggestion? Go back into conversation with this one. The two noes came from people that had not sit on the Economic Development Committee, that's one of the challenges that we faced. A lot of this information is new to us, we didn't know the back conversations that you have had with this one. What I would like to see if this were to come back, if you guys decide to come back with it, I'd be happy to see a second rendering of this one We talked about the numbers, the $30,000. We talked about a plan to be put in place but what we did not see is how that's going to benefit the economy of our city. So if you put in say you have numbers that you put aside for the first quarter, how does that reflect the second quarter?
How have we seen an increase or decrease in the economy in the community and have projections based on what you think you could achieve on that one. If we had that, it would make it a lot easier because we're not then spending $30,000. We are investing that for an increase in our economy. I couldn't find that anywhere in this report. So if that makes sense to you, that's just a suggestion. We don't have to vote on it. It's something I wouldn't mind seeing coming back if those figures are something available to us.
I'm sorry can you just one more time share exactly what you're asking the chamber to do?
Based on data, I would like to see not just what they have as far as gathered data but I would also like to see projections of what the anticipated increases will be with that $30,000 investment on a quarterly basis.
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Does the chamber need additional clarification?
Again, I think we would be really excited to continue exploring this partnership. We really do want to support the Carpinteria community and so I think we would for sure be open to coming back and having more discussions with the city, maybe more inclusive discussions outside of the Economic Vitality Committee with the entire council, with more city staff, more community members. I think we'd definitely be open to that.
Great, thank you. And I think as a member of the Economic Vitality Committee, I know I'd like to bring this back to the committee and see how we can make this stronger but I am really disappointed in the way the vote went this evening because I think this could really be an important link to our business community but I'm happy to continue to work on how to make this proposal stronger and see where this goes.
Mayor, you may be disappointed with the outcome of this one. However it's important and imperative that we stay above water as far as our economy and the financial situation that we're in right now. We have to be cautious
Right, I believe I said that. So happy to bring this back so we will now be
moving to item number 14 which is an update on preliminary review process for Carpinteria Cultural Foundation CCF 10 panel mural proposal following community outreach and requests for subject matter expert review
real quick I would like to thank the chamber for coming though the presentation was excellent
Mayor, council and community members. The item before you this evening is an update on the preliminary review for or of the Carpinteria Cultural Foundations which I'll refer to as CCF moving forward. An update on the Carpinteria Cultural Foundation's proposal for 10 historical mural panels at the Community Plaza on Linden Avenue. This evening, staff will report on the public outreach and subject matter expert review which Council directed then ask Council for direction.
Council can send the proposal forward, provide alternative direction as desired or decline to continue processing it. So just a little background, council adopted the public artwork policy earlier this year July 27th under the policy artwork displayed on city property is the city's own speech Choosing artwork for city property is an exercise of the City's curatorial judgment and editorial discretion.
Following the policy keeps the City from accidentally turning city property into a public forum for artistic expression. This protects the City's ability to decide what artwork is displayed, and to modify or remove it if it so chooses. So the proposal should be considered in that light. CCF is proposing to transfer ownership of the panels to the city. If council approves a proposal, the panels would join the city's public artwork collection.
The city would own them, display them and adopt them as its own civic message. For that reason, council would decide the content of the panels including their historical content just as it decides any other message that the city puts out. Two parts of the policy follow from that, so community input and expert input are advisory only. They inform your council's judgment but council makes the decision.
If and when the proposal is approved CCF would sign an agreement with the city That agreement must include a waiver of the artist's proprietary and moral rights, and CCF's consent to removal of the work at the city's sole discretion. It may also cover indemnification in the maintenance plan, and the donation would also have to follow the city's adopted donation policy.
That's just a recap of things already approved in our policy. So CCF, again Carpinteria Cultural Foundation, commissioned artist Rick Sharp to create the 10 panels. They are arranged in chronological order and show communities that have made carpenteria their home from the Trumash through present day carpenteria. Each panel is about 2 and 1 half by 4 feet would be printed on aluminum CCF proposes mounting them above the curved wall under the Ramada.
That would mean pruning the grapevine and restoring the existing lighting. CCF is offered to cover fabrication, installation, maintenance, and replacement. CCS has also proposed keeping the rights to the images. Council may want that point addressed as their proposal moves forward because of the rights waiver that our current policy requires. Regarding public outreach at the council's direction, outreach ran from August 20th through September 20th.
The city and CCF co-hosted two events at the plaza on August 22nd and September 10th. Between them about 100 and 150 people attended, and it also included display of one full size sample panel with actual material. An online and paper feedback form received 59 responses. All responses are included in full in attachment A. The city and CCF jointly ran an ad in the Coastal View News, which is attachment B.
The city set up a project web page, which is attachment C, and put out press releases and social media posts. The Coastal View News ran news stories and letters to the editor about the proposal. These are all included, the ones that we could find as attachment D. Regarding subject matter review, the policy allows council to seek expert review of historical content while council keeps final authority over that content. Staff contacted 12 regional institutions, tribal representatives, and university faculty, and a full list is in the report.
We received responses from four. There's actually five listed in the report, however we need to make a correction. Dr. Diane Fugino actually did not respond and it's incorrectly listed and you probably saw as you looked in the expert review that she was not included there. Of the four we did receive responses from included the Carpinteria Valley Museum of History, Dr. Miroslava Chavez-Garcia from UCSB, Dr. Paul Spickard from UCSB and then also Dr. Aaron Quaining from UCSD.
All responses are included in full and attachment E. Some of the folks that we reached out to asked whether experts and tribal representatives are paid for their review. If council wants more expert review for this project or future projects, we may want to consider city-paid stipends or review fees paid by the applicant. Sort of a side note, next steps under the policy As part of preliminary review, council can give feedback that shapes revisions to the proposal, send the proposal to the Architectural Review Board or provide alternative direction as desired.
The Architectural Review Board which I'll call the ARB would review the proposal within its authority such a site and design compatibility. It would not judge artistic merit and its recommendations are advisory to your council only. The proposal would then return to council for a final decision, accept, except with conditions, request revisions or reject. If council approves it, council must adopt findings explaining how the work furthers the city's objectives under the policy if we went that direction.
The options for your council this evening are to direct staff to take the proposal to the Architectural Review Board either as submitted or with modifications or conditions set by your council. You could provide alternative direction as desired, or you could decline to continue processing the proposal. This option would end the City's review of the proposal This concludes my presentation. CCF, Carpinteria Cultural Foundation representatives are here tonight and staff in the city attorney are available for questions. Thank you.
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Do we have any questions for city staff?
Yeah, just a couple quick questions. I really appreciated all of the information that was included in this and getting 59 comments I thought was a really good amount of feedback. Can you talk a little bit more about what the subject matter experts had to share? You mentioned names but if you could just let us know, they're professors at UCSB is that right and maybe Summarize what their comments
were. I reached out to a myriad of different historical institutions and community representatives, subject matter experts across the board depending on you know the panel specifically that we were looking at And so I'll preface with, we sent out an email first to a blanketed email for all of the subject matter experts as a whole. But we did tailor some of these messages depending on the exact panel that we were looking at specifically.
And so we, like the staff report includes here, we did receive four different subject matter expert responses. So I'll kind of start out with Professor Paul Spickard of the University of California Santa Barbara and so Dr. Spickard does focus on racial theory comparative colonialism, U.S. social and cultural history, migrations and identities as well. And so we had kind of a lot of feedback on some of the proposed tax and he did mention and suggest about including... I'm sorry, I don't want to speak out of turn.
He had questions about singling out the Chinese Exclusion Act without broader context, but overall he really did appreciate the celebration of local diversity and vibrant imagery. Dr. Aaron Kinyu from UCSB also agreed with Professor Spickard's feedback And then we heard from Professor Chavez-Garcia, also from UCSB. And she provided feedback on the Mexican panel and then on the California's panel. So in the Mexican panel she had some feedback whether the cheerful demeanor accurately reflects the historical labor conditions and suggested reviewing the scene to remove potentially stereotypical elements such as sombreros and maracas unless historically verified.
But overall, she characterized the panel as largely accurate but recommended incorporating greater complexity and acknowledging historical conflicts rather than presenting a simplified narrative. And then on the California's panel, she suggested against using idealized phrases such as pastoral paradise because it minimizes the exploitation and hardship of workers in native Californians She also pointed out some interconnected histories, such as the absence of native Californians whose labor and history were deeply intertwined with the Californios. And then she also had a note about the lack of women's contributions within the panel. She also suggested shifting the focus away from mission clergy to highlight Mexican civil government in the transition from Spanish rule.
But overall advised providing a little bit more nuanced descriptions of the era's power dynamics. And then we also heard from the Carpinteria Valley Museum of History, so Dr. Jamie Yar submitted an official statement and it's there in attachment D. She did clarify that the museum had not been involved in the mural project and does not serve as an advisor to the CCF Ms. Yarr specifically requested that her statement be part of the formal record as well, and she did clarify that the oral history videos referenced by the CCF were commissioned under separate California State Library grants for the museum's documentary project and not specifically for the CCF's mural proposal.
Great. No, thank you. And I appreciate the summary just because it was, I think there were 200 plus pages for this staff report so I just want to make sure for the public to have that context of what some of the outreach, the public outreach that we had asked for as a council, what that brought back to us. So thank you.
Do we have any other questions? Seeing none, I'd love to give the member of CCF an opportunity to say a few words.
I'd love to read the university professors, what is it? Their analysis. I'd really like to see that. One of the reasons that we did not get into with the Californios in particular, I've read almost every-
Dr. Campos, I'll just ask for you to
address the council. Oh, I'm sorry. Address you guys. You guys are doing the vote. I've read almost every memoir and book that's been written, you know from the point in time where California becomes Mexican. It becomes a part of the Mexican government in 1821 and some of the way that we did the paradise, calling that a pastoral paradise during the Ranchero era had to do with some of the things that I read from the people that lived during the time. And I found it really fascinating, that the Americans that were coming over after the Bear Flag Revolt in 18...
Revolution in 1848. They said, boy it is too easy to get caught up in the California lifestyle because the weather is always wonderful particularly in Santa Barbara and He said, it's too easy to get lazy because this is a beautiful place to live. And working hard and educating yourself and all of that you almost want to set it aside because it is just such a nice place to live here.
I ran into that in a variety of the memoirs and that's why We used that term on the California panel. And also, I mean the fact is that the people that were here didn't really have a strong allegiance to Mexico. They were with the missions and the people that were running Santa Barbara County they were very loyal to the church and The church was the king of Spain. So anyways, that's why we wrote that one that way. So I'd love to have just a discussion with the people that disagreed that it wasn't so great here all the time. And of course you had the Chumash and the Chumash were beginning to revolt In the 1820s, at the same time that Mexico became Mexico and was no longer Nueva España, the Chumash began to revolt in the missions throughout.
And in 1825, the first slave ship that comes over is carrying 16 to 17 of the baddest villains out of Mexico And they put them at the missions to fight the Indians. It's really kind of interesting, because they needed population over here. I'm not sure where I was going with that now all of a sudden. But anyways, there are reasons for the way that we did the panels the way that we did them.
Also, you know, we're doing it because we love Carpinteria. We want to, you know put put it on a good footing. If you get into the Mexican mural, which I think is spectacular, I think the history of the Mexican people is on that mural. You go through every one of those pictures all the way across and we did it in postcards. We didn't do it just as a few images. We did it through the postcards and those postcards That is life in Carpinteria from about 1920 to the 1950s and 60s.
And the people are real that are on those, that are on that mural. And it's the one that we haven't written up yet because it is so complex but we're going to do that and we're gonna get it on the, what do you call it? The QR code, yeah. And so we'll tell every one of those stories, all those people that you see on that mural. But yes, segregation was going on and in Carpinteria in 1915 there was a huge article in the Los Angeles Times And they came in and they interviewed all of the ranchers about Carpinteria, because Carpinteria's agriculture was booming.
And they were facing a labor shortage. And then all of a sudden World War I happens and all the young people join the military and they leave the area. The labor shortage gets even tighter, or bigger. But the article in the LA Times was really pretty spectacular because the farmers came right out and I guess publicly because it's in the paper stated that they wanted to keep Carpinteria a white community.
All right? And so they did not want to recruit others into Carpinteria But I think what happened there, there was even an article in the Carpinteria Valley News where C.D. Hubbard came in and established the Hubbard Fruit Company. And the Carpinteria Valley News Came out and said you can be sure that there will be no Celestials hired in the fields in Carpinteria. No Chinese You know, the Chinese are gone anyways because of the exclusion acts but it was a curious statement for The Valley News to make but uh, you know my hypothesis is that Because Carpinteria had the California experience first And then almost dwindled to nothing with the Spanish speakers. They were almost gone, but in 1894 the Spanish speakers bet on themselves.
They purchased the church That the Methodists were abandoning on Santa Monica Road and they established their own church. They had dwindled to a population between 50 and 100 Spanish speakers, I mean from a lot more than that. I mean, in 1859 the Spanish speakers outnumbered the Americans by a four to one ratio. By the turn of the century it had completely turned around and anyways so Carpinteria could have just like with the Chinese who were kicked out basically And with the Chumash, who pretty much ran out. And by 1859 there were only 40 Chumash in the area according to Captain...
Oh I can't remember his name right now. No, not Neinever. But anyways he left a report when he came in They hung a man in Carpinteria right by Carpinteria Creek. They brought him in because Santa Barbara almost collapsed, the government almost fell and he The name is a Carpinteria name. Anyways, the captain that came in with about 40 dragoons quelled all the unrest and he wrote a report and the very first paragraph of his report mentions the Chumash.
And he says there's only about 40 of them left in the whole Santa Barbara area and they are a sorry looking people. They are of no consequence. Whatever was going to happen in this area was going to be between the Spanish-speaking Californios and the Americans that were coming in. So, that's a kind of an interesting thing that happened there. And anyways, I mean, the Chumash have done a valiant effort to bring themselves back but they were virtually gone And the same thing was going to happen with the Californios. But like I said, they bet on themselves and then the boom in agriculture happens and all of a sudden who are the Carpinterians that are here? The farmers. Who are they gonna go to first? They're gonna go to the Californios that they already know.
And the Californios who helped them tame the land in Carpinteria. And so all of a sudden you have a huge migration from Mexico, now the Mexicans are coming in. Now it's not the Californios, it's the Mexicans but they are relatives of the people that were here. Carpinteria bet on themselves, they bought the church. A huge migration of Spanish speakers and The population is back, the Spanish speakers are back. But by 1925 you've got a whole movement about segregation and all of that okay? And that's something that we don't get into that mural but we do touch it at the Aliso Mural, it's there.
We didn't think it was the appropriate thing to do to put On that mural. I mean, we could change it but anyways you know we highlighted the good points and the growth that happened afterwards. I've spoken a long time so anything else?
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That's it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Do we have any other questions from council at this time? OK, seeing none I will open up public comment and we have a speaker slip for Miss Giddy White. Welcome.
Hi. I just want to clarify, I feel like this proposal is well-intentioned but I'm here kind of as a place marker. Don't really have a strong opinion. I just want to highlight things I think you should consider. So I'm kind of here as a place marker for all the people who raised cultural sensitivity concerns. And I actually read all the comments, and I read the academic comments as well. So I was a little heartened to hear that the experts also had concerns that there were no women represented.
The experts had concerns about the depiction of the Chumash. A lot of this stuff that's kind of content or cultural sensitivity related is in the text, so that could be changed. The city's trying to decide if it wants to endorse this as a permanent installation and a message from the city. And so the content of the text could be changed to reflect a more parallel treatment of the different subjects from panel to panel not necessarily endorsed religion by only mentioning some people's religion and not mentioning other people's religion, making an effort to include four mothers of Carpinteria alongside the forefathers.
My comments that I submitted and a lot of the cultural sensitivity comments are more confined to the messaging, but some of them also talk about stereotypical depictions in individual panels. I would say take a look at all that stuff, consider it. See if there's a way of having the whole package address those concerns. A big one for me was kind of treatment of the Chumash as a thing of the past And the failure to acknowledge the innovations and exploration and achievements of the Chumash that happened thousands of years before the colonizers came.
So, the combination of not recognizing those people as explorers or innovators or builders and not mentioning what happened to them The combination of that messaging for me was particularly alarming. But again, this is a well intentioned thing it's a question of You know, we kind of have an eclectic choice that we've made as to who contributed to CARP history.
Like there are a lot of Syrians here. There are Koreans here. How did we come up? I mean, I think when you do this stuff in a vacuum and you don't have public feedback from the beginning, you don' t have this discussion until the end, and that is a problem. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.
Ms. Laurel Lees. Sounds like she's coming. Here she is. Thanks for sticking around.
She did fill out a speaker form, you just can't read it. Hi I'm Laurel Lees this is Poppy and thank you for having us pardon me while I get this up My family and I live here and operate our local consulting business at 888 Linden, immediately beside the proposed project site. As I mentioned earlier, I'm a land developer, land use and environmental planner, CEQA NEPA practitioner, and an environmental permitting specialist. My work involves public process, stakeholder engagement, cultural resources review, and agency approvals for major infrastructure projects.
I'm not here to oppose public art for the sake of opposition. Okay? I respect the council's responsibility to make an informed decision, that's what they do pops and I appreciate The Carpinteria Cultural Foundation's generosity, effort, and sincere desire to celebrate our community. Excuse me, I think it's important. I also respect the artists' creative work as a mother I know that bringing something beautiful into the world takes immense energy A lot of bravery and a lot of care, so I definitely appreciate birthing this artistic expression. It takes some effort. As the project stands today, I don't support it though.
In my professional work, I mentioned that I led one of the world's largest energy storage systems and we did it with full stakeholder support and zero opposition. So it can be done. We had very difficult conversations very early in the process, right Poppy? Was there and we worked through things with design charrettes and had people comment on this project that was going to be a part of their lives for 50 plus years. It's a 50-plus year asset so this asset that we're looking at today is 30 plus years before it gets you know maintained and restored I just wanted to offer a story from the Willow Rock Energy Storage Center project that you can do hard things, and you can do it with a lot of people involved. And I think that's what's missing here.
I think that public art is not just decoration. It's a community story. Images land. Children remember them. Visitors remember them. And they become a part of how we understand a place, its history and the people who are loved and belong here. All these ideas came through to me through the Pacifica Graduate Institute in the work of Joseph Campbell and Carl Young who believed in the power of imagery and art and storytelling that remains in your psyche and it forms how you participate in the world and how you show up in the world and how you express yourself.
I believe that this series can be sacred if we engage people from the start of it. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. We're going home. Bye Poppy! I do not have any other speaker slips, do we have anyone via Zoom?
Mayor, we have no zoom comment.
I will officially close.
I'm sorry just we just got a late one.
Okay.
We have one raised hand Wendy Yanagata Wendy,
go ahead. Thank you. So thank you City Council and city staff for putting the new Arts in Public Spaces policy into action. I'm grateful that the community had the opportunity to review and respond to the Linden Mural Project and that the subject matter experts were consulted. I have multiple issues with this proposed project but I'll try and be quick. On the most basic level, the mural project is not an actual mural which is generally defined as an art directly painted onto a wall. Why does this matter? Murals communicate visually and clearly in the 1920s, the Mexican government commissioned artists like Diego Rivera to speak to a largely illiterate and fragmented country. The murals illustrated historical events using culturally significant symbolism and design elements to unify the country with a sense of national identity and to encourage cultural including indigenous pride While I recognize the intent of the CCF to do something similar with their panels, the project really misses the mark.
Rick Sharp's graphic design style and artistic talent are not in question here. but these panels seem much better suited to a series of posters, a gallery show or illustrations for a book. Beyond not being an actual mural installing 10 metal panels between the vines and the existing tile wall at the seal fountain would clash significantly with the current aesthetic of the plaza.
This seems like a forced and misguided design decision from both artistic and structural standpoints. Regarding the content segregating ethnic cultural and nationality groups to separate panels is problematic just on the face of it. Additionally, by picking and choosing which groups supposedly matter, the existence of many other cultural groups are immediately erased.
Who decided who was significant and who wasn't? Were younger generations of CARP's Mexican-American community consulted on how their culture was represented for example? Was any outreach done in Spanish I saw nothing in the publicity that suggested so. This is inexcusably tone-deaf and writes off entire cultural groups who also contributed to CARP's rich history and culture, but most crucially in trying to cram a snapshot of each chosen culture at one point in time into each panel requires a lot of visual oversimplification. It reduces all of the human figures into literal and old-fashioned caricatures, the women especially.
Much of it reads as culturally very dated and even racist. The panels depict whitewashed, sanitized feel-good imagery that conveniently ignores the real sometimes brutal history of colonization, genocide, enslavement, discriminatory persecution et cetera in which cultures overlapped and interacted over time. Some benefiting greatly while others suffered greatly all of which continues to make the town what it is today In that way, it is not historically accurate and it is culturally insensitive. So I cannot support these panels as city-sanctioned public art and I urge City Council to seriously consider the thoughtful comments submitted by Carpinterians expressing valid opposition to this retrospective proposal.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
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I will officially close public comment and bring it back to the council for any additional questions, comments, and of course a motion. I have a question. So was this feedback provided to CCF?
Not directly as soon as I received it but it was part of the packet so it's been as part And then
my other question is, there was mention about a QR code. I mean and this you know is being presented as a historical monument for education purposes and so we would technically be approving the entire package right? And so that includes the placement what is on the panels themselves And the QR code, which sounds like it's going to be updated. Is that correct? So we need to think about the whole package.
That's correct. And the way that it was provided to the public did not include that QR code from the start. Got
it.
OK. Thank you. I have a question. We didn't get any feedback from tribal Representative, do you think that that would change if we would have compensated someone to do that?
In my opinion yes. So all three of the tribal representatives asked about that specifically and then in conversations with other city staff who have worked with tribal groups in the past with other city projects Compensation is a really important part of that process. I struggled a bit with getting them to respond. I offered Zoom calls, you can text me whatever you need to do to give feedback in any which way and we did give all respondents about a month to respond but unfortunately we weren't able to secure that.
This is a question for the applicants. Based on the feedback, is this something you could actually address? I notice that there's a lot of comments about the depictions and about how things could be better balanced, I would say as far as historical facts and data.
Just for the for the record the tribal person that was consulted with all of this is a lady named Eleanor Fishburne and She's a tribal elder So, you know it wasn't like we didn't she looked reviewed the whole the whole thing. I Appreciate the comments on the QR code All of that thing all of that can be tweaked to everybody satisfaction to reflect Because you could only put so many images on a panel, but the QR code is there for like the background. So you could put a couple of pages worth of text on a QR codes when people walk up just like when you walk up to the Aliso mural. You hit on the QR code and you get a little synopsis of every image you see And that can definitely be done in this project. I mean, we want it to be the most complete project, the most representative project.
Obviously you can't tell a whole history of California in ten panels of images. But the QR code background can be written in a way to be more inclusive of it. And dear boy, we were not asked or other than the packet, we were not given the comments from the UCSB people and some of them are very well put but they can all be incorporated in the QR code to make it real complete You're not going to please everyone, but you can please most of the people I guess. This is supposed to be a history of Carpinteria and yes, I have a bunch of Syrian friends that have come more recently To Carpinteria, and this is not to be all-inclusive. These were looked at as groups that over the past had made as a group significant contributions to our society growing up here in a lot of the panels are people that we spoke with that are still here.
Obviously the Californios not so much, the Chumash other than the elders they're giving us their input but like the Dutch, the Italians, we have Carpinterians that sat with us that gave us their input and what do you think of this? When we had the bottle from the Monta Vista Dairy Marty Panason brought us an actual bottle that he has, so we got that image exactly correct because we were just guessing what it would look like.
We're open to broadening everything on the QR code to make it a very inclusive presentation for everyone.
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To be accurate, I mean to get everything right. But I wanted to add to what Mike was saying. Of the 10 panels, I think nine of them are pretty much set and then we'll add a number of things to them. But the only one that we didn't attack on the QR code and that was fully explained in the CVN, was the Mexican panel. And that was because it was so huge. We had 16 postcards and every one of them was depicting a different fact of life in Carpinteria.
To make it interesting, I stepped out of the room and I said why don't you lady and gentleman of Mexican descent settle this and call me when you're done. Because I really didn't have a lot to add to that particular one but we spent weeks going over different images that had been brought to us by local families actual photographs that was the hardest thing. We had to select 12 or 14 photographs out of 50 or 60 that were given to us
And like the Dutch panel, those are the Dutch. It's kind of interesting because one of the pictures is of Jose Van Wingerten Fujiyama. And it's kind of interesting because I think the artist colored her a little bit, but it came from a direct photograph. All those people are the real people and there's a lot of that in On the murals. And I want to add, you know about the women?
It's not the easiest thing to do with the women. In 1960 when they did a...I think for the first time around Valentine's Day something like that they wanted to do a woman of the year Thing and so they Nominated a bunch of ladies from Carpinteria, and I don't know how they decided who the winner turned out to be But every single one of those women Did not have a first name It was mrs. Wade Or it was Mrs.. Al Clark, I mean III mean women had different place up until, you know, everything changed. And now I mean...
So anyways it's a little harder, you know? You will see on the pioneer, on the American Pioneer one there are a lot of women in that particular panel. But by and large they weren't I guess critical to the actual telling of the story. And I hope that I didn't offend anybody by saying that.
But, I mean the QR
code
could
talk about all of that. My question would be also on the illustrations are those flexible or is that something that's going to be stationary?
Well you know the way that Rick works we can work with anything.
It's computer art, so he's doing it digitally on a computer. So it's not... in five minutes, but it can be done if there were any really good things that we needed to change. He'd be open to that, but it is his interpretation also. So you can't really sit over his shoulder and say well I need you to make this woman do this and this woman do that and that man do this. It is his interpretation of the stories that we've told him.
And if any new information emerges Changes the Carpinteria story we can change it good. You know I mean, that's I think I think the last time I spoke here I said you know you you can't change history But you can keep adding to it because we keep learning stuff and in the last month or two It's been a spectacular couple of months of learning Because I think we have actually figured out the actual location of the cabin where Francisco Badillo was pulled out and hung, and where Olmstead bought afterwards we actually found the real deed from 1860. It was April 1860.
We just found that about a month or two ago. That'll end up somewhere on the QR code. Be
careful what you ask
for. We keep learning stuff and we can always make amendments to what we're doing, it's not something that's painted on a wall and it can never be changed.
Perfect thank you I do have a few other comments as far as the placement of that one. I was on the review committee when we took a look at it and actually put up the grapevines, and we did the plaza itself. And my concern is that I'm trying to look at the architecture integrity from the original design. That is the grapevine specific. The trellis is one thing that was set in place. It has some significance to it.
My personal preference would actually be To put it on the wall, mount it on the wall itself. And the reason I say that... Two things. There's a clear story above. That clear story was always meant to be a clear story. When I say a clear story you wouldn't put a picture in the middle of a window that's facing outward or inward. The other thing is, what are you going to do with the backside of that one? That's going to be visible from the parking lot. So that would be one of my other concerns. Also, the strength of it, the integrity would be stronger on the wall itself than hanging floating loose. And a third point of that one is that actually when you light those up, those lights aren't working right now because we have night-friendly skies but there's actually light fixtures on top of that wall And if you're planning on using anything to light up those, that wouldn't work because we can't use those.
But if you mounted them on the wall, you could have downward-facing lights to highlight each of those. It would help look better at night, also give you a little bit of security as far as vandalism and things like that. So with that, that would be my one suggestion. If in fact we move forward with this one, it would be actually have those wall mounted.
Could Wade...
I'll ask for you to come to the... Oh, come up
here Jim!
It's important that you speak in the microphone, you know
when you say the the historical significance of Of the grapevine that is not the original grapevine. You know that
I do know that but that was the intent was the It's
representing
it correct?
Okay and you know You might want to talk to some of the people who started Carpinteria Beautiful and who did that whole thing. There's not consensus over whether they like those grapes because they fall all over the place, they get stepped on and they don't help you know the cleanliness of the area Have heard from some of those people that we should just tear those down once and for all
We're
not suggesting that
well, that's a century possibly going to be doing the renovation of it I would leave that open for you. Yeah, but again a fruitless grape would work for me It's just that it was a grapevine specific that was supposed to be part of that design And yeah, and
you've got the tile that's right under under there exactly. Yeah, so okay.
Thanks Jim Those are my comments
Any other questions or
comments? I mean, I'm just curious. I would love to see this information that the city gathered, given back to CCF and giving them an opportunity to digest it. And see if maybe there is some tweaks because I mean I support the idea of us telling this story very much so and I think there's a real excitement a desire for us to be participant in telling the story.
And I think that we've had, there's a lot of really actionable information in this packet and I think that I would like them to have that opportunity to have that information. So I guess that's my only comment.
And if I could follow up, so all of that was in the publicly available staff report though right? So I mean anybody could access it. Like a lot of the public commenters today referenced... I guess
I just meant like I wouldn't be able to, I wouldn't imagine that they would have a chance to to act on that information. It just came out, you know... That's more what I
was thinking. So my question is actually to confirm this if there were to move forward the Architecture Review Board would take these points all into account? They would be the ones that would kind of give it a stamp to move forward?
I guess that then I actually do have a question because that jogged my memory is at so we send it to Architecture Review does the City Council still have the opportunity make changes?
Council Member Mayer, so what the policy says for the process is it would go to them. It would be limited to what falls under ARB's purview in terms of mounting and such. They wouldn't be addressing any artistic items. And then it would come back to your council again for actual decision on approval.
Actually I believe it does there, Michael. ARB actually does have purview for artwork
Councilmember Mayer through the mayor how the public art policy is written Is I believe that it specifically stated in there that they don't have authority and we can double-check this because I may be misremembering but I believe that it's that they won't have they don't have authority to talk about the the art itself for The arts sake they are more focused on the the placement how it's placed the material etc. So Some of I guess what is perceived as the art, right? I believe these are on panels so are they you know metal panels Are they canvas is it mural painted on a wall or are they on?
You know standalone Or not standalone but pieces of metal or aluminum that are then affixed to the wall Those are the types of decisions that I believe that public art policy contemplates as Within the ARB's review. That said, I think there was another question if the council does Want to send this to the ARB for their review? That that is not you know This project is not approved following how the public art policy contemplates this process, is that following the ARB's review it would come back to the City Council. So this is still kind of the preliminary review step before the City Council.
I have the language here if you want me to read it from the public art policy. So following preliminary review by the City Council, the proposal may be presented to the Architectural Review Board which will evaluate the proposal consistent with its authority. The Architectural Review Board will not evaluate the artistic value or merit of the proposal. The ARB may make advisory non-binding recommendations regarding the proposal and for the city council's consideration. In instances where another body must also review the proposal, the General Government Department may schedule a consolidated review by the applicable review boards, committees or commissions. In certain instances, a proposal may have to return to the ARB or other body for additional review should any significant change occur in the scope, materials design or citing of the proposal.
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I guess, so I'll weigh in a little bit here. So I guess the purpose for me of this preliminary review was to learn more about the community's perception of the artwork and then to get their feedback. And I think if we're going to ask the community for their feedback they deserve to have us listen to it. What I read in the attachments, it was a lot of concern not necessarily about the art or the style but about the content.
I understand the idea of wanting to give opportunity to change it, but the concerns that were expressed in the attachments seemed that they were things that would change the panels pretty significantly. Whether it's not omitting any mention of anything negative, whether it's It sounds like maybe finding women representation might be a problem, it sounds like. That could be a case and so I'm not sure if sending this to ARB without having the content part settled would be very helpful, would be useful in the long run.
Like one of the commenters had written down they had said these public murals will be displayed in an iconic city area there was no public input in the development of the murals and as much as I appreciate so much that the CCF did consult with with the people that they brought in I think what I heard from public comment and from reading the public comment is that a lot of people felt like These murals were brought at the end of the process. And the types of feedback that were given in what we saw point to an interest in a very different type of project, that I'm not sure I see a way forward while taking into account all of the feedback that we got from all of the people that took the time to submit it. So that's why for me, I would want to settle the content Part of it before we even consider sending it on to ARB.
So those are my preliminary comments Sure
Most of the commenters the highest number of commenters Felt there was a bad location And I agree. I don't think that it's compatible with the existing community plaza. To use the word clash is wrong, because I think your mural has its own identity but that it's different than the community plaza. I also feel that the proposed location is too high for It would be difficult to get proper viewing, especially for smaller people or children.
And it'd be very difficult to read the captions which are so important for understanding the mural. And looking at the site, the insulation will severely damage a lot of those vines. I mean you could cut major trunks out. I think when installed, it will significantly reduce the impact of the vines. And I think that the murals will actually be this ongoing competition between The vines growing and the murals need to be shown.
These two things are going to compete, but I completely agree about the historicality of of the murals, and there were a lot of commenters in that regard. And I think it wasn't... A lot of comments were not just... Well yeah, there were a lot of ones like the women and children are not shown enough and the poor people aren't shown enough but also This whole grouping, it's kind of like who is the next colonizer coming in?
Who is the next group that's going to get in? And the prior people, you know, it seems like they're lost or could be. I mean and especially the indigenous people seem to be lost. So those are my comments. And I concur that, I think we would need to nail down all the content and also the location. Because I can't support this location.
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So first, I want to thank city staff and CCF for working collaboratively in doing this outreach. It seems like it was very successful given the number of comments. And art obviously tells a story. People are going to interpret it differently. But I really want to focus on the purpose of this mural as it was presented, which is a historical monument for educational purposes. And for that reason, I think when we're talking about The historical accuracy, we really need to zone in on that. And just hearing that there's another aspect of the QR code and if we were to approve it and it be like government speech, there's still layers that need to be reviewed at least the way I'm seeing it. We don't quite have the full package yet.
I think that there were a few comments that really felt like it was racially insensitive. And I don't want anyone in this community to look at a mural on field that way, especially if it's government speech, if we're putting a rubber stamp on that. So I think it's well-intentioned. But I think there's still more work that has to be done. So would not be comfortable sending it to the ARB to just have it come back I would, and kind of what you're saying. I think just based on the level of comments, I think it could potentially change the way the murals are presented. And I don't know if CCF wants to take that on.
So those are my comments. I think that there's more work to be done. And we have a full package yet. Talking about who's going to pay for the expert analysis of this, who is going to pay for the historical accuracy of what's written on the QR code. So those are all things that we need to consider that we haven't yet figured out. So with that being said, if there aren't any other questions?
No more questions. OK. Happy to entertain a motion.
I'll make that motion. I move to receive the staff report and presentation, and to forward this on to the Architecture Review Board with the comments made that would be included in this one, giving authority to the Architecture Review Board to recommend changes that were presented in public comment.
Do we have a first? Do we have a second? So no second. Does motion die then?
Mayor Alocon, council members that's correct so there could be an alternate motion that is put on the floor.
Can I ask would a possible direction be to decline to continue processing the proposal with the understanding that if there were to be a retooling it could be resubmitted as part of a future proposal?
Vice Mayor Solorzano through the mayor, yes. So I think one of the options are to provide alternative direction as desired so you could combine options two and three there. So decline to continue processing but welcome a resubmittal.
I mean, if we said yes it doesn't mean or if we said no that doesn't mean no in six months or no in a year. You could say decline to continue processing and that doesn't negate them applying in the future does it? If we say no to this proposal?
Council Member Clark through the Mayor, good point. You're correct I think that there's if once again I have scrolled away from the policy itself but if I remember correctly I think that the first step in the policy is to have An application submitted to staff and then staff reviews the policy or refuse that application. To confirm whether or not everything all of the different requirements in the application are fulfilled, and there's enough information too.
forward it to the council for a preliminary review. So I think there's a bit of discretion there, right? If per the council's direction at this meeting, renewed application doesn't address some of that direction, I think there's some discretion about whether or not staff would be sending that through for a preliminary review.
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I mean, do we? I'm wondering because I'm not really in support of declining the project. But I think this application has been put forward. There's a lot of thought gone into it. There's a lot of public thought that's gone into it. And I think that it would be a benefit to the community and to people that have put it forward to work with them with this robust information that the city has received allowing them to respond back. I mean, I understand that they got this information on Thursday but that's not enough time to really like reconsider the project rather than just saying no. I would be much more comfortable with giving them an opportunity to respond and bring it back.
And I just don't know what that would look like.
Well, one thing I would want to think too in thinking about that kind of along those lines is if like Council Member Clark he also it wasn't just the content. It was a placement too and so I don't know how everyone else feels about the placement but what I mean there were a lot of comments I saw that we're not happy with the placement so even if the content were to come back if a majority of council doesn't think that's the right place for it see that's why I'm not sure similar to what you're saying how to go forward yeah
I did suggest that it was going to go on the wall. That was one of my recommendations not in the clear story
So it just seems like there's not really a lot of There's so many loose ends here that it's hard to To provide direction,
I think part of the challenges that we faced we wrote the policy the art policy and put that in place architecture you were used to include aesthetics as part of their review process and For us to take on the responsibility of putting all of this together and having it then go to the architecture review board as a finished project, we're working opposite of what direction we should go. They should be the ones tweaking this and putting it in place bringing it to us with something that they felt was a finished product that took all of the review process in place at the ARB level and then send it back to us for final not the other way around
But does architectural review board, or are they an art review board? Or are they architectural? Architectural. So I think right now what we're talking about is the content of the actual murals too and that's something that I'm saying that I think that we would need to
determine. They should include that. And then we're already rejecting it.
Well I think regardless we already approved the public policy, our policy in public places. So regardless if the ARB did they're not currently as the policy
states. My concern is it's going to happen again and next time unless that policies corrected or adjusted.
Right yes just give me one moment are there any other pieces of deliberation before I give the applicant an opportunity? Okay come on up
I'm going to make it real easy. We're withdrawing our application because we have other people waiting for us to put this art up, as is. We will take the recommendations from the experts but we are withdrawing our application from the city and that's the last you'll hear of it. Thank you.
Thank you. Okay, with that being said it sounds as though the applicant is officially withdrawing their application for their art in public places. Is there anything else that the city needs from council? As a motion or would you like us to still...
There's no action.
No, there's no... I don't think anything we can take action on at this time. Okay
great okay with that being said we will move on to committee reports inquiries and other matters presented by council members
Well if nobody else, I was going to do two reports. One it was on the 3CE that we attended when I say we Michael and myself we were in Monterey sitting at an annual meeting he was representing the operation side I was doing the policy side on that one the good news is that we're moving forward with this we approved as a board Roughly three billion dollar project to move forward that was going to enhance not just the infrastructure of solar panels and natural collection of electricity, but also storage systems in place that would go all the way down to and include eventually households. So in case of a shortage of electricity or power we would be able to then keep continue running at the house level So this is something we're looking at. It's a long run, we're looking at probably 30 years worth of investing in this one.
So that was from the 3CE, Central Coast Community Energy Commission. So we did that one. The other one was is that we went this last week to the League of California Cities in Anaheim. We sat through a number of ones. I sat through an economic development session Where one of the points they brought up was that when you start growing businesses, you grow population. That increases your economic stability of that one and the other one had to do with voting as a voting delegate for the city we passed a resolution that would bring back the decision-making process and processes to local governments for housing that won 234 to 3 so that was the other item that we voted on And I know the mayor went with us and the other Mayor, Mayor and Michael also.
So I don't know if you have anything you had wanted to add to that?
Yeah, I'll start with my the beacon meeting that we had on the not February 18th, but September 18th. We received a presentation from Adam Young who's at UCSD and he's been working on a project on coastal erosion for it's a research that's absolutely fascinating and has really broad implications for Santa Barbara County. Essentially they put sensors in the coastal cliffs and were able to track Up to, you know, 24 hours before a cliff was going to erode. Which if you think about it in our community of Isla Vista even La Conchita these are places that are like actual life and death situations so it's really amazing stuff they also had put sensors in the cobble and they were able to track the cobbles movement through the beaches and through down and up.
And it's just really incredible work being done in UCSD, and this grant and funding that they have actually is going to It covers an entire coastal mapping of California from now. It started in January, and it will go through this El Nino cycle. So we'll have real-time data and actual visuals on how our California coastline is going to change through the El Nino cycle.
So there's just incredible work being done and being presented, and I'm really excited. And then secondary, just very excited to have Beach Smart come to our community and talk about beach nourishment. This was the first time I was at Cal Cities, and it was incredible. I went to a lot of different economic development sessions including One called Money for Nothing, Financing Economic Development and Housing Infrastructure. Which I was like let's go! I would love to have money so you know just a lot of really forward-thinking things happening in California and there's always something to bring back.
I did also go to a session um and this will be my last thing is uh i went on went to a session about Community policing. The city of Lancaster is doing a hybrid approach to their policing and it's coming from a different place, they're a very large community where the sheriff couldn't actually cover what they needed so they were able to fill the gaps with a community police I appreciate being sent to this.
And
I'll mention it was, I found it really interesting. I feel like I learned a lot and went to a few of the economic vitality sessions and then also there was one about AI which I found really interesting just in terms of how other municipalities are utilizing AI And there was an example in terms of I mean, this example of, I think it was El Cerrito where this municipality was actually negative and they couldn't balance their budget. And so it really talked about over communicating with the public and about the messaging and simplifying information to get it right. And they provided really great examples of how they did Up to six meetings, specifically just on the finance. And so I think that really was full circle for me in terms of really the need to over communicate and what that might look like for our community.
But we are not in the state of El Cerrito, of that example. We have balanced our budgets. Okay if there aren't any other updates, I will ask about attendance of council members for future meetings Yes, everyone will be here. And we will officially adjourn the meeting at 10.07 PM. Thank you.