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Hello, everyone.
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Okay, thank you. Roll call, City Council?
Roll call, called by City Clerk
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okay at this time I'd like to introduce our translator this evening hello
Hello, good evening. I'm going to make this announcement. My name is Hugo Santos and I'm here as interpreter for English and Spanish. So I'm going to make an announcement first in Spanish and then in English. Para las personas que deseen escuchar esta sesión en español lo pueden hacer. Aquí en el salón tenemos algunos dispositivos suficientes para las personas que así lo deseen hacer. Solo levanten la mano y se los traeremos a su silla.
We will have interpretation, simultaneous interpretation from English into Spanish. For that we have some devices for you if you want to hear all this event in Spanish just raise your hand and then we can hand you some devices that we have for you if you want to do so. Thank you.
Thank
you.
Okay at this time we will have public forum. Anybody that would like to speak to anything that's not on our agenda this evening?
Yes, thank you Madam Mayor. For those of you on the Zoom webinar who wish to speak to a non-agenda item please use the raised hand icon and I will call on you. I do have two in person speaker slips Stacy Madsen followed by Catherine Barsh. All speakers will have three minutes.
Okay, good evening. As a 23-year Lake Los Caneros neighbor and homeowner I'm opposed to the Anthem Chapel project as proposed. It fails to comply with the Goleta General Plan and conflicts with our city's commitments to public safety, scenic corridor preservation, the Esha, and to local wildlife. Approving this project would establish a damaging precedent. At over 22,000 square feet it's more than double the size of the Islamic Center's 9,802-square foot facility. While the Islamic Center was thoughtfully designed to respect scenic views and blend into the Los Canarios Preserve This project features an excessive building mass and height that conflicts with the Los Caneros scenic corridor. The Islamic Center operates under a cap of 120 people.
This proposal projects up to three Sunday services of five adults in the sanctuary, not including children attending Sunday school in the education center. Translating to a massive influx of over 1,500 adult attendees plus their children every Sunday. To protect pedestrians, cyclists and motorists the Islamic Center incorporated a split access mitigation system with vehicles entering on Los Canarios and exiting onto Calle Real The project proposes all vehicles entering and exiting the site via two driveways on Los Caneros, forcing a high volume of cars onto a single lane road in each direction. This traffic will need to intersect a narrow frequently used bike path with no dedicated left or right turn lanes. This concentration of conflicting traffic will undoubtedly cause backups and safety hazards for drivers and cyclists.
The project's traffic and parking studies initially omitted weekend data entirely, while the revised study claims expected usage to fall within requirements real world observations of operations contradict that. On multiple occasions, actual vehicle counts have exceeded study projections. Although the Islamic Center considered nearby pending and approved projects, this project studies do not. Without independent verified and relevant data how can we accurately evaluate traffic impacts on Los Caneros, Cayo Real and Cathedral Oaks? While the Islamic Center committed to a prohibition on amplified noise, this design proposal openly incorporates amplified sound paired with large industrial roll-up doors that eliminate noise containment. This will have a devastating impact on our neighborhood park users and sensitive wildlife.
We lived through this disruption during the pandemic when the applicant held services in temporary large outdoor tents. These roll up doors will simply make those unmitigated noise levels permanent. Finally, where is this all headed? The Islamic Center was designed for an expected stable predictable baseline of attendees and operations. The current applicant stated the opposite, an intention to maximize growth. This proposal transitions a cherished tranquil residential and recreational area into a regional complex characterized by heavy noisy and hazardous dailies that will permanently alter and disrupt the entire area. Thank you so much for your time and consideration.
Our next speaker is Catherine Bartsch. And the last call for you Zoom speakers, please use raised hand icon for non-agenda items.
Good evening my name is Catherine Bartsch and I live on Covington Way. I am asking you to uphold the Planning Commission's vote to deny the conditional use permit for Anthem Chapel. My opposition is not based on the fact that this is a church It is based on the project's scale, frequency of use and operational intensity which are fundamentally incompatible with the residential character, existing infrastructure and public safety of the Lake Los Canarios corridor and surrounding neighborhood.
The proposed development includes a 6,500 square foot sanctuary seating 500 adults per service plus a separate 13,500 square foot education building where children attend preschool and Sunday school at the same time unaccounted in that 500 seat figure. This extreme level of activity including more than 60 annual events that include weddings and conferences far exceeds what the surrounding neighborhood and transportation infrastructure can reasonably support. The project provides only 117 parking spaces, yet their existing parking supply is already inadequate. In August of 25, I counted 208 vehicles parked in the Goleta Valley Junior High parking lot in the adjacent Santa Barbara Charter School and then in June another count documented 290 vehicles.
Cars also park along the red fire lanes, and on any given Sunday you can go over there and see what that looks like. Adding Anthem's traffic and parking demand would push vehicles onto Lake Los Caneros Road in Covington Way creating serious safety concerns for pedestrians, cyclists, motorists, and emergency responders. The project also proposes two driveways onto Los Caneros Road just 107 feet apart Both crossing the class two bike lane. There is no dedicated left turn refuge for vehicles exiting the site, an issue the city's own design board review board raised without ever receiving a designed solution from the applicant. If vehicles queue in or block the bike lane, cyclists will be forced into lanes of moving traffic and this is inconsistent with the city's goal of providing safe bicycle travel along this designated route.
At the last Planning Commission meeting, Mike Ryder of Anthem Church said and I quote If there's a better option, we would probably take it even now." I believe that statement is important. Finding a location is not the same as finding the right location. This is far more than a neighborhood place of worship. With its size, parking demands, frequent service, 60 annual events, it will function as a regional destination And Anthem has made it clear that it intends to grow. For these reasons, I respectfully urge you to deny the conditional use permit for Anthem Chapel. Thank you very much. Thank you. I
have no more speakers for public forum Mayor.
Okay then we'll close public comment and move into amendments or adjustments to the agenda.
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Madam Mayor, no adjustments or amendments. We can move into that though. So last week or last meeting I suppose two weeks ago, I did something new. I showed the coolest thing I saw over the weekend which was a section of our new San Jose Creek multipurpose trail and I wasn't sure If the momentum of last week was going to carry over, but I saw something really cool this past week. So this is the second edition of the coolest thing I saw this past week.
Volume 2. Next slide please. Is there a next slide? Okay what is this? This is our community center. Beautiful building, beautiful auditorium, stage looks nice. Last week we held an e-bike roundtable in our community center and this is something that was hosted by our mayor Paul Perotti, 2nd District Supervisor Laura Capps and MOVES SBC Executive Director Sarah Innarone And I believe there were probably over 25 people they're representing eight different agencies, including the CHP representatives from Cottage Hospital school districts, the city of course and others.
And it was just an amazing roundtable event so I happened to be there and was able to take some photos And you can see people are very engaged, and it was a two-hour meeting. And the focus at the end of it was that I think identifying the challenges and what might lie ahead for ebikes as they become an emerging form of transportation. But the focus was on infrastructure or engineering and making sure that we engineer safe streets and bike lanes in the first place, education enforcement and legislative change. And so it's just an amazing discussion it was really great to see our Mayor Paula Perotti lead the roundtable on something that's really important to her So that was the coolest thing I saw last week and I'll turn it over to you, Madam Mayor.
I assume you might have a few comments about it
as well. Thank you for that. I mean the coolest thing was that you were able to emcee and anybody that knows our City Manager is quite capable of moving things along unlike the City Mayor. So he kept it moving and it was a lively discussion, and I feel like there were so many important people at the table. Our district attorney was there, I don't know if you mentioned that.
Cottage Hospital, they had some grim reports but They had some, we all came together looking at what can we do to not overburden our law enforcement with lots of restrictions that'll be hard to enforce at times. But how, you know, looking at our state legislators who were there to look at legislation that's coming on the, actually there's some legislation sitting on the governor's desk right now, so we'll stay tuned to that.
But it was a really productive roundtable discussion with everybody trying to put their heads together, work collaboratively. And this was just the beginning of the discussion and that's why we kept the invitation only to certain key people that are working. And because we hear about this every day, and we hear about it from our constituents, we hear about it on Nextdoor, we hear about it, people come here and speak to it, why aren't you doing more? Well I think this is the first step. I think really this is the first step. I know they held Move Santa Barbara, glad that they were there at the table. They held another roundtable in San Diegnes Valley and also in Santa Maria And so the next one we have, it'll be more open to the public and parents and students.
I'm guessing whoever wants to come and really come up with some ideas and have more facts from legislative. But the bottom line for me is that we want all modes of transportation to be safe. We want our bikes. We want them all to travel safely. So we want to encourage e-bikes, but we don't – we want to be careful of their safety and their education. But it did really focus on education. That really was a component for the students, and I know some of the schools are implementing training, education and then getting a registration to be able to ride on campus. So that's huge.
A lot of these things are all coming together and I'm really glad we did it and I'm glad that I was invited. I like giving credit where credit is due and Supervisor Capps was the one who thought about this and I think City Manager Robert Nisbet had something to say about, well the mayor is crazy about bikes and advocacy for pedestrian safety. So of course I was thankful that I was invited.
Thank you Mayor. That was a great event.
Yeah it was.
Thank you for queuing that up staff. We do have one more item under city manager's update. We have two staff here from our Public Works Department. Our Director Nina and one of our engineering staff Michael. So another actually engineering and safety related item over the summer and even before that They've been embarked in a massive undertaking to modernize and upgrade our traffic signals, of which we have I want to say 37. But please correct me, Nina.
And it's I think it's 99% complete but it has in the end been a success so we just wanted to give a short report on how that project went.
Good evening Madam Mayor and City Council. Michael Winoiser, our project manager for this project will be giving the update for the citywide traffic signal upgrade project.
Thank you.
Good evening Madam Mayor and City Council members my name is Michael Winoiser as Nina just said I'm the project manager for the citywide traffic signal upgrade project It's my pleasure to provide this brief update on the project as it's coming to a close. This project installed various improvements to 32 intersections throughout the city, modernizing infrastructure that was in some cases up to 30 years old.
First, I want to highlight its project funding. This project was... Its construction was 100% funded through the state's Highway Safety Improvement Program or HSIP grant. This grant was approximately $33.2 million and the funds as I said entirely fund the construction as you see described on screen. Now let's get into what improvements were delivered by the project. First, we're going to go over the improved pedestrian crossings so residents might notice these new pedestrian push button posts as shown on the left. These are ADA compliant posts they're touch sensitive buttons they have audio feedback so you'll be able to hear the wait signal and the street name as well Additionally, all travelers they may experience what we call a leading pedestrian interval.
So this means that when a pedestrian crosses at one of these intersections they're given a few seconds to cross before the traffic signal turns green for oncoming traffic like turn signals. As a result this short interval will be expected to improve overall safety at our intersections although drivers may experience it as a minor lag after they see the walk signal turn on Next up, we'll talk about the improvements to our traffic signal heads.
These improvements are the installation of these retroreflective barriers here. These are bright yellow borders you might now see around the traffic lights all around the city. These are designed to improve visibility at all hours but especially at night as you might see demonstrated here on the screen there's a comparison at Elwood School You can see at night time it's really well lit, really easy to see, very visible.
And lastly, I want to talk about our new traffic cameras. I want to first emphasize what we have publicly stated and that is that these traffic cameras are not license plate readers. They do not enforce traffic in any way. They do not store video. They do not identify vehicles or individuals. They do not issue citations, transmit information to the sheriff's office.
They are not doing any of that sort of thing. What these cameras do is that they detect when a vehicle is present at an intersection, they will communicate with the traffic controller and the signals, and they'll assist the traffic signal in responding based on the detected traffic demand. As a result, these cameras will improve traffic operations throughout the city.
As you can see on the image on the right, that's an approximation of what these cameras are seeing For example, if the camera detects a car in that green section during a yellow light, the light might be notified to extend the yellow to minimize the conflict at the intersection. Ultimately what we are doing is minimizing driver opportunities of running a red light.
Between these adjustments and the adjustments to those leading pedestrian intervals some drivers might still experience some delays. And that concludes my presentation. I'm happy to take any questions you might have on the project and thanks for the opportunity to share it.
Thank you, I have received several emails or phone calls about the traffic signals and mainly it's about are they taking pictures of our license plate? They wanting to know what that's all about so I'm glad you had something to say about that. Council Member Reyes-Martin.
Thank you for the report. I recall from when this item came to us a while ago, you and the team shared some great information of the various ways that these will improve safety. Will there be a way like a year from now or whatever appropriate time to be able to share with us any kind of data on the impact? Or is that based more just on the research and it'll be harder for us to share data?
Council Member Reyes-Martin, we can look that data up annually and see the difference. So that's something we can look at.
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Council Member Kariakou.
Thank you Madam Mayor. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about some of the different locations that these new signal posts, the ADA accessible signal posts are situated in the city? I feel like I've seen them in more places than just Encina.
Yeah, they've been implemented all over the city. Most of the locations you've seen in the presentation here is where they've been implemented in the pictures. So for example, at Kinman and Cayo Real is one example. At Elwood School we implemented some. I'm trying to recall off the top my head. Hollister and Marketplace was another or sorry Stork and Marketplace was another.
I don't think I could name all of them off the top of my head, but there's quite a few.
Thank you. I just appreciate you putting those in different parts of the city because it's important in terms of trying to improve accessibility that we're doing it everywhere and also really loving the new signal outlines, the additional reflectiveness really helps at night, really helps.
Council Member Kasdan?
Yeah, I know there had been previous complaints about certain signals that weren't functioning where you'd get stuck. And I can think of like by the high school and at Elwood School. I tried out the Elwood School now so I can attest it worked. You didn't have to just sit in but for the public all of those are now fixed right? There's that issue, the concern is that's over.
Yes Madam Mayor, Council Member Kasdan. There were some timing delays with the signals at various intersections as we implement new technology we have to also implement the underlying I want to say code like interaction and with it with the controller and in the meantime as we set those up in this subcontractor has to come out there Those signals are now put on, will then be put on what we call a recall mode. So it's like the default timing so the lights will no longer be registering cars at that time but like you said now those have been resolved. The project is nearing its completion so you shouldn't be experiencing that same level of delay.
Thank you.
Okay thank you.
That concludes City Manager's update. Thank You Madam Mayor.
Okay then we're moving on to consent calendar
Yes, thank you Madam Mayor. That will be item A1 approval of the City Council meeting minutes of September 1, 2026. Item A2 fiscal year 2025-26 fourth quarter financial review. Item A3 approve the plans and specifications and award construction contract for the Cathedral Oaks Cribble repair project phase one and professional design services agreement amendment with Stantec Consulting Services Inc for the Cathedral Oaks Cribble repair project phase two. And item A4 amendment number one to agreement number 2025-097 with Beyond Heating and Air Inc. for the provision of heating, ventilation and air conditioning maintenance services at various city owned facilities.
Great thank you. Council wish to push any or pull not push pull any items from consent?
Mayor Pro Tem Smith. Yes, I wanted to pull item A3 regarding the crib wall for some brief comments and questions.
Okay Councilmember Kerrioca?
A2 regarding the fourth quarter financial review.
Okay so let's start with... Just a
comment from me.
Okay let's start with A2. Councilmember Kerrioca? Oh read it into the record. Sorry about that.
That's item A2 fiscal year 2025-26 fourth quarter financial review
So I just wanted to thank everyone from the finance department, to the city manager's office, to all of our different department heads. This was a really good report. I was really happy to see incredibly good performance across all of our different fund balances and I didn't want to let this opportunity go to pass to say good job. Sometimes staff takes all the flack and council gets all the credit. I just wanted to make sure that, you know, it's not every day that every single one of your four major categories of revenue all over perform. And I just wanted to call that out.
Thank you. Okay. Mayor Pro Tem Smith, A3. Could you read that?
Yes, that's item A3. Approve the plans and specifications in order of construction contract for the Cathedral Oaks Crowbowl Repair Project Phase 1 and professional design services agreement amendment with Stantec Consulting Services Inc. for Cathedral Oaks Crowbow Repair Project Phase 2.
Yes thank you I just had a few questions comments just because this is an important milestone for this project so So first, can you I guess just refresh our memory in terms of what is the phase one component of the project and what is the phase two?
Madam Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem Smith. Yes, phase one is going to be implementing a pavement project along Calle Real between Cathedral Oaks and Winchester. And Winchester between Calle Real and Cathedral Oaks so that L-shape will be paved because that location would be serving as a detour route during the portion of the phase two when we're reconstructing the wall where Cathedral Oakes Road will be closed during that part of the project.
Okay, great. And is for the paving portion of this phase one project is there a rough estimate of when this will take place?
Mayor Pro Tem Smith, we're expecting the project to start sometime early next month. We are gonna try and get that paving done as soon as possible.
Great, wonderful. And then I understood that there was a sliver of this project that touched the coastal zone but it's correct that the Coastal Commission has authorized or done whatever they need to do to let us proceed is that correct?
Yes, Mayor Pro Tem Smith the Coastal Commission has approved the waiver for the project.
And then I just wanted to comment I reviewed the staff report and I know the nature of the outreach that's done on this work may be slightly different in terms of the paving work for the detour versus once we actually get to the larger project, the actual crib wall repair and road closure. But I did want to flag in reading in terms of the outreach plan that I did want to flag some additional Thank you very much.
restaurant and the gas station. And as that you know potentially the chamber as well, and then of course the schools in terms of you know Brandon School and Dos Pueblos High School so I just wanted to flag that and I'm sure the mayor and I are willing to certainly want to help support those efforts. So I just wanted to call those out as I think those will be important entities to reach out to
So we have a public outreach staff under our construction management contract, so we're happy to loop in those stakeholders as part of that outreach effort.
Wonderful. I think those were all my questions and comments for now. Thank you.
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Just a quick question, I understand there's some endangered flowers that are over there. I forgot what it is and I was just curious do we mitigate? Is that how it works if we're disturbing those plants, we plant them somewhere adjacent? You look pained.
Madam Mayor, Council Member Kazin. That is not something I was aware of as a part of this project but it's something we'll definitely have our consultant look into as form of mitigation if we need to for that project. Okay
did you say flowers?
I think
okay
I forgot the name but okay find out what the issue is all right thank you
oh thank you do we have any public speakers
Yes, thank you Madam Mayor. I have no speaker slips. Those of you on the Zoom webinar please use raised hand icon if you wish to speak to a consent item. I'm seeing none Madam Mayor.
Okay thank you. Thank you and we have no speakers for any of the other items that weren't pulled for the whole consent calendar? For the whole consent calendar. Okay I thought I heard that okay thank you. Okay then I'm looking for a motion to approve consent
So moved. I'll second.
Okay, roll call vote please.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 moved. I'll second. Okay, roll call
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Okay it's passed there we go okay moving on to discussion item
Yes, public hearing. Thank you Madam Mayor. That's item B1 Community Development Block Grant CDBG 2025-2026 Consolidated Annual Performance and Evaluation Report, KPER.
Okay and this is a public hearing so I will open the item and the clerk read from the agenda then we'll have the public hearing open the public hearing Staff will make their presentation. Council can ask questions and then the public testimony from the public, three minutes and staff response if any more questions if possible close the public testimony council deliberation closed public hearing in the city clerk to read the recommendations motion second and roll call.
Okay. Sounds good. So
Ms. Plummer, are you going to start us off? Thank you Madam Mayor and members of Council. Tonight we have the Community Development Block Grant Consolidated Annual Performance Evaluation Report otherwise known as the CDBG CAPER. I'm gonna go ahead and turn it over to Cassidy Laer our Senior Management Analyst and she will share all things CDBG CalPERS with you this evening.
And thank you, Ms. Plummer and good evening. So tonight we're going to be talking about our CDBG paper so this is part of one of our planning documents and for this particular paper it's for program year 2025-2026. So that covers last fiscal year from July 1st 2025 to June 30th 2026 A bit of background on CDBG, the city receives an annual allocation from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. There are various required planning documents that are all related and part of the reason why we're here today.
So we do have our consolidated plan which is our five-year strategy and that details how we invest our CDBG funds throughout that planning period We have our action plan, which details how we actually carry out the goals of such consolidated plan. We have our citizen participation plan, which is part of the reason why we're here today having this public hearing. The purpose is to allow for citizen participation in the planning process and allow for feedback.
And then finally, for today's public hearing it is to go over our Consolidated Annual Performance Evaluation Report also known as the CAPER and this is to report on activities and accomplishments for CDBG each program year. So for this past program year, we had an annual allocation of $320,000. We had two sub-recipients, one being Leap Family Resource Center and the second being People Self Help Housing Supportive Housing Program And for public facilities, we have three public facilities currently being funded with CDBG.
We have the Matilda Park which as of June 30th, 2026 was in construction. We have Goleta Community Center ADA upgrades and also the Skylight Air Placement. Both projects are either in design or bidding. As for accomplishments, because all capital projects are currently either in construction or design we don't have any reportable accomplishments for those. But we do have reportable accomplishments for our public service activities so for elite family resource center the goal we had for them was 200 persons served and they exceeded that with 551.
For people's self-help housing, our goal for them was 230 and they also exceeded that with 402. And when it comes to the percentage of low to moderate income persons, both had over 99% of persons served with CDBG. And that's all I have for this so welcome for comments questions
Council Member Cariocco,
questions. Thank you Madam Mayor. Thank you for that report. Just a quick question I'm looking at the staff report page three under fiscal impact and I believe this is kind of a typical occurrence but perhaps staff could just talk a little bit about the strategy behind it so this section of the report talks about the amount of CDBG resources that were available during the plan year of 2025-2026 320,000 plus in annual entitlement funds and 436,000 plus in prior year unexpended funds. And it says, it goes on to say that we expended $240,000 in change during the program year leaving 517,000 in unexpended funds committed to ongoing eligible activities. Can you just talk a little bit about what's the strategy behind that and why we don't spend it all in this same plan year that we have available to us?
What's the strategy behind that? Is it because we're trying to kind of load it up, build it up so we can load it up onto certain projects that would have more impact or is there another strategy?
Yeah, of course. And that's a great question. So when it comes to the unexpended fund balance typically they're associated with capital projects. So a lot of times what we see is we see just unexpended funds at the end of the program year for a project that carries over multiple years. So everything that is in there The unexpended fund balance was associated with capital projects. And what happens at the end of each fiscal year, if we have any unexpended funds in administration, we will typically put that towards a capital project to also provide additional funding. So it's typically associated with multi-year capital projects.
It's difficult to know until late in the plan year how much they were able to expend, right? Correct. So, it's not like there's a lot of opportunity to reprogram if we wanted to.
Correct, typically a lot of times with construction it's just it takes time. It takes time to go through the design and takes time to go through construction and when you federalize a project it is federalized so we do try to target our resources on the projects that are federal I just
wanted
to commend
our grant
recipients and the city. These types of projects are exactly what the CDBG program is intended for, Thank you very much. As we know, we have so many housing challenges in our community. Helping people stay stable and not fall off the cliff into homelessness is so important. So just wanted to commend the grantees and the city and the Human Services Committee for work well done.
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Any more questions from council? Seeing none, we'll go to the public. Do you have any questions?
Yes. Did you open the public hearing, Madam Mayor?
Excuse me?
Did you open the public
hearing? I'll open the public hearing. Maybe I did. I think I did but I'll open it again to be safe.
Thank you so much. I have no speaker slips. Those of you on the Zoom webinar who wish to speak to this item please use the raised hand icon and I will call on you. I'm seeing none, Mayor.
Okay thank you. Any more questions? Council Member Cariocco? No okay so I'm not seeing any more questions. I guess I'll close the public testimony and entertain a deliberation or motion. Is ready are you deliberating or do you want to Okay, if we're going to make a motion.
I'm
happy to try and also close the public
hearing. Let's see. I would move that we've reviewed and accepted the CDBG block grant 2025-2026 consolidated annual performance and evaluation report. And that we authorize staff to submit the consolidated annual performance and evaluation report to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, incorporating any public comments received and any other updates from the council.
Do I have a second? Seconded. Okay. Second by Kasdan. Okay, roll call vote.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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Okay the ayes have it, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay
moving on to the next item.
Yes thank you Madam Mayor that will be Item C1 consider adoption of an interim urgency ordinance temporary prohibiting the establishment of new firearms and ammunition retailers within this city
Madam Mayor, I'm going to lead off on this one. Okay.
Please do.
So there is a report before the Council and this is following up on direction we received two weeks ago at the meeting of September 1st. You might recall the Council meeting of September 1st we held a study session on firearms retail firearm stores regulations within the city At that time the council provided staff a variety of direction and guidance to pursue making changes to certain codes, chapter 17, chapter 5. And to look at various things I won't go into those but towards the end of the study session the council also asked that staff return with a draft urgency ordinance So during the time that staff is working on the changes that council asked for, that we would put a pause on any new gun stores locating within the city limits.
So staff indicated I think at that time that we could come back in two weeks so here we are Back in two weeks was an urgency ordinance before you. It was also requested at that time that we ensure that the ordinance is drafted in such a way that it only applies to new gun stores. There are two gun stores currently located in the city, they're actually cited in the staff report, cited in the ordinance.
And if by chance any of those stores were going to move during this time, that would be allowed as long as they were to follow the normal process that exists now prior to the changes. So again, this urgency ordinance, the thought was needed to take a pause so that the regulations could be looked at, the work could be done. That might take a fair amount of time.
and the urgency ordinance is before you. It is an urgency ordinance, so it follows a different path than other ordinances. It does not require two readings. Noticing requirements are slightly different but it does require a four-fifths vote of the council and it would become effective immediately. It's for 45 days and to extend the ordinance we would have to come back within that 45-day period and recommend an extension if more time is needed.
So the ordinance, I think, speaks for itself. It does what I just summarized and what was asked by Council. There are various findings in there for the Council's consideration of why this urgency ordinance is urgent and why it's needed at this time.
Happy
to take any questions.
Do we have questions from Council? I think you answered all mine. My question was about the 45 days, can it be extended? So that's legally what we have to do,
correct? Correct, Mayor. And so as Mr. Nisbet mentioned, it would come back as a notice public hearing within the 45 day period and there would be an accompanying report and council would be asked at that time should they approve the urgency ordinance this evening to extend it in that extension under state law is for I believe 10 months and 15 days total. full amount of time that it could be extended.
And the reason for doing that is it gives us time to do a look at preparing another ordinance on buffers and and to get it right into do a thorough job of it and we're not rushed in.
Madam Mayor, that's absolutely correct and will start to put together some kind of a timeline of what we think it's going to take. We do imagine we'll be back before your council within that 45 days. I don't believe we can do all this work in 45 days, so we are anticipating that we will be before you within 45 days and maybe we'll have a better estimation at that point but as your city attorney said the law allows up to an extra 10 months plus for a full year total so we will look at that but as staff indicated at the study session There's spatial analysis that has to be done. We have to look at Chapter 17, we have to review the current regs, we have to go to Planning Commission. There are a number of steps that need to be done before we can bring back an ordinance for Council's consideration that meets the direction that we receive from Council.
Great, okay. Thank you. Questions? Council Member Kastin.
Not really a question. This is just this is a good discussion that you guys just had because we did have a comment from the public sort of concerned that there would be an indefinite period of time that this would just persist and so to that commenter you can see there's a limited period of time in which this is in place. So it's good that we
Any public speakers?
Yes Madam Mayor, thank you very much. I do have four speaker slips and one hand raised. Those of you on the Zoom webinar who wish to speak to this item please use a raised hand icon and i will call on you. Our first in-person speaker will be Sarah Penna followed by Lindsay Vining. And all speakers will have three minutes
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Hi everyone, I'm sure you expected to see me tonight. I am a Goleta resident and volunteer with Moms Demand Action. I just wanted to be here tonight to voice my support on voting yes on this. Obviously have strong opinions about our children being exposed to guns and having them that close I really appreciate the urgency you are taking in this matter. Thank you very much.
Good evening, my name's Lindsay Vining. I live in Goleta. I'm a mom and teacher and I wanted to say thank you for taking this seriously and putting a pause so that you can come up with a thoughtful plan on how to move forward. And so because of that, I encourage you to vote yes on the moratorium and put in the care required to put something together that will work well for the city. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Dan Ashton, be followed by Ethan Whittle.
Good evening Madam Mayor and City Council. I have a couple of documents, can I submit these?
Yes, I'm happy to take them yes.
So what I went ahead and did is, I spent about 10 minutes obviously using AI. And I went ahead and threw a 600 foot and 1,000 foot buffer so you guys can kind of see what would happen if those proposed regulations take effect. This does not take into consideration if gun stores were allowed to be put into industrial zones, but it's pretty scary because you're taking 94% of the available commercial real estate away from firearm stores. So as I said in my last public comment this is a thinly veiled ban no matter how you guys look at it. 600 feet, 1,000 feet. It also pushes basically the only available retail for gun stores into city centers like Ralphs, shopping centers, et cetera which none of those will actually allow firearm retailers because of their lease agreements like Chase Bank, Trader Joe's, Ralphs, those types of places prevent certain businesses like smoke shops, firearm stores and other retailers from having a shared space with them.
You know, if I was a monopoly man, I'd be cheering you guys on because you guys are essentially limiting my competition by doing this. I've got my lease. I'm there. Sure, there's certain things that can be done but I don't think the city is going to take that path given the expense it may take. I am here because it's wrong. You know, for 13 years I was located next to a preschool and daycare and there was absolutely zero public outrage. So I don't understand now why just because someone voiced their opinion on Nextdoor now we have all these regulations suddenly changing.
California is already a state that has the most regulations against firearm dealers and I don't think it's the city's responsibility to enact more. It's only going to prove that Goleta is not country and it's essentially anti-firearm policy. We're Goleta. Gotta keep it free. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Ethan Whittle and a last call for those of you on the Zoom webinar, please use the raised hand icon if you wish to speak to this item.
Hello. Let's call us what it is. It's elected officials engaging in performative legislation by a Democrat-dominated city council that is meant to curry support for incumbents just prior to an election. Is this one of the most pressing issues before the Council at present? No. Is it an issue that plays well to curry voter support in an election cycle? Absolutely yes.
The business went through an approved process, and he provided the facts. That the city provided guidance on a move to his business, to a more favorable location. And when public opposition arose and the incumbent members of this council got egg on their face in an election year you made moves. If you're serious about the issue I can understand that and I can support that we go through the legislative process but table it until after the election to remove any issue of impropriety. Doing it before then destroys the credibility of the council and gives the appearance of electioneering by the City Council, thank you.
Thank you.
We'll now move towards Zoom speakers we have one hand up Reynaldo Ibarra if you please unmute yourself you'll have three minutes to speak. Reynaldo are there? Yes can you hear me? Yes we can thank you
Okay, uh good evening Mayor Parodi and members of the City Council. My name is Ronaldo Ibarra and i'm here to speak on the proposal for the temporary ordinance prohibiting retail firearm and ammunition sales. I have been following the controversy regarding you the new location of the gunman guns at the former 7-11 locations since it began As a 39-year resident of Goleta and a gun owner and a customer of Goodland Guns, I believe I am qualified to speak on this issue.
I have purchased guns and have had other dealings with the Goodland Gun Store. I observe them to be conscientious, adherent to all laws and safety. That is not the issue here. My dealings with Goodland Guns has always been at its former location, extremely close to the Goleta Valley Community Center. Rainbow School Preschool, Head Start and Senior Services.
This is where hundreds of children walked to school and waited for buses. I would like to say that... Location, excuse me. Excuse me. I have a sore throat, sorry. Rainbow Preschool and Head Start, the location has been quite near the Hamburger Habit or The Habit which is the correct name. Where hundreds of families with children eat there on a monthly basis and dozens of children walk by their former location to catch the bus, walk with their parents with children in strollers and with children walking to and from school to catch the bus.
These children are of different ages their location has never been a problem in fact the location of a gun store in Goleta has never been a problem with any member of the City Council in the past while it was in downtown Goleta, a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood my question is why the location of a gun store is now a pressing issue for the city of Goleta?
Thank you.
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I have no more speakers for this item, Mayor.
Okay. We'll close public comment. Anymore questions or would deliberation or entertain a motion? It will take four of us. I
just thought I'd react to a couple of sort of comments that were raised. One of them was whether this was some sort of election stunt or something like that And to be clear, this requires a four-fifths vote. Only two people are running. The rest of us are not running. So this is not put on the ballot and I'm not suggesting, don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that those who are running have any, that it's influencing their decisions. In fact, it's in my district, I am not running and you know, I think this is a pertinent and appropriate issue for us to be discussing And it has nothing to do with any kind of election going on.
We did not previously when we talked about Title 17, when we talked about the other issues, we didn't consider guns. We didn't think about it and it happens to be something of enormous importance to a lot of people. To suggest that it wasn't something that people are concerned with is well blinding ourselves to something So we are going to step back and think about where it does make sense. Where are the best locations? This won't be banning guns in the city, this won't be an analysis on how to restrict or eliminate the availability of gun stores but it will be an opportunity to say where it's appropriate, where it's less appropriate And we will do the analysis. You said you didn't, you know, did a map 10 minutes before. We have ten months.
We'll do a thorough analysis. We'll do an evaluation that will give us a good estimate of available locations and where it makes sense. So this is us doing our homework basically. That's it. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Katzen. Anybody ready to make a motion? Mayor Pro Tem Smith? Yes.
I thought I was ready. Yes, I would move that we approve an urgency ordinance of the City Council of the City of Goleta, California temporarily prohibiting the establishment of any new firearms and ammunition retailers within the city. And finding the ordinance exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act and declaring the urgency thereof.
Do I have a second? Okay, seconded by Kasdan. Okay, roll call vote.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0
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It's unanimous. Okay thank you
I'll take this item C-2, resolution to revise local preference for below market rate housing.
And Madam Mayor, while staff is queuing up their presentation, I'd like to make a comment on this item. So staff is proposing a slight change or we're recommending that the council make a change I want to start by saying thank you to all of The first two, criteria 1 and 2 have to do with the local preference of where someone lives or works. And to the extent that should be a factor or preference when allocating below market units.
The second category or factors 3, 4 and 5 when you read the staff report have to do with criteria to prevent someone who's on the verge of going homeless. So those factors are more about evaluating, you know, someone who is in a situation where they might be renting a house or live in a situation but they're close and there's a lot of different factors that I won't go into but there were three examples presented in your staff report about how those could also potentially be criteria That could be used when making decisions about allocation of below market units. What we're recommending tonight is that the council defer discussion on the latter three. So our recommendation tonight is for council to focus on one and two in the staff report, focus on the local preference.
The live work aspect tonight. And our recommendation would be to defer the discussion on any criteria that has to do with homelessness and those kind of factors until next year when we come back with planning's work plan and the housing division's work plan, we would put it on the list And the council could give further direction at that point whether to include it in the work plan. The reason for this is after the staff report went out, other factors came to our attention that potentially add complications to how these factors would work. I think the idea here of course is not a new one.
On our Homeless Committee, you Mayor and Council Member Kazin talk about it a lot. It makes the news statewide that in the focus on homelessness should be on prevention rather than... And so the idea is one that's where it came from but I think more work needs to be done. So that's our recommendation of course the council can do whatever you want tonight That would be our recommendation. Staff is ready to follow it and just present on one and two tonight if Council goes along with the recommendation.
Okay, do we need a motion to make that decision or just head nods? What do we need to do?
Mayor I think head nods is acceptable.
Do we have any questions on that before we do the head nod? I think that's a good idea. Thank you. Okay. I guess we're now ready for the report.
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Okay, thank you for that. Okay, so as the City Manager outlined, the city has a local preference requirement policy to serve the community by striving for that jobs-housing balance in order to implement Program 2.2a of our housing element which you're familiar with. So for that policy I'll start by going over what our current regulations are And at the center of that policy are what we call BMR units, below market rate units. That are income and price restricted and they're usually a percentage of the total number of units in a project.
Those BMR units satisfy certain regulations like The city's inclusionary housing ordinance, as well as state law such as State Density Bonus Law and other state laws that hinge on the provision of affordable units. And all of those BMR units are administered according to our Affordable Housing Policies and Procedures Manual. So our current local housing requirement lives in section three of that manual, and it applies to all new BMR units either for sale or for rent by providing a preference to households that either live on the South Coast or have at least one member who works in the city limits. And after that come all other household applicants.
The way this is applied in our public housing lotteries is with two pools of applicants, the first being those that meet that live or work criteria and the second being all other households. I don't know if any of you have ever experienced a housing lottery but those tend to be on tight timeline with both the developer and the applicants eager to get through the process and fill the units I also thought this would be a good time to point out that the city doesn't own or manage any affordable units ourselves. It's the applicant, the developer who does that and we maintain an interest list for households to be notified of upcoming housing lotteries but we don't have any waiting lists and we don't have carryover of ranked lists from one project to the next or referral lists.
So, in applying a local housing preference policy we use a couple factors which we've already mentioned having one member who works in the city or living on the South Coast so what does that mean? Working in the city limits is defined as Having one or more household members that currently works, has been hired to work or has a bona fide offer to work in the city.
And that means owning or operating a business in the city, employment for wages or salary for an employer in the city, contract employment where the work is conducted in the city or commission work where the principal location they work from is in the city for an average of at least 20 hours a week The residency criteria refers to households that currently reside on the South Coast, which is defined as the area between the county line near Carpinteria and the tunnel at Gaviota.
So the recommendation before you this evening is a slight revision of that policy It has the two current factors of living and working, but with three distinct preference categories. Each of which would be applied to a project depending on how many BMR units there are in the project. The first category is live on the South Coast and work in the city. The second category is live on the South Coast or work in the city.
And the third and final category would be all other households I'll point out here that category three would include, for example, someone who works at the airport but lives in Lompoc or a UCSB employee who lives in Ventura. Category one would apply to the first BMR unit in the project. Category two would apply to all other BMR units except the last, and category three would apply to that last BMR unit unless there were only one or two BMR units in the project which is a little complicated so hopefully this chart helps clarify how that would work If the project has only one BMR unit, then level one would apply.
If there are two BMR units, the first unit would be for level one and the second would be for level two. And finally, for projects with three or more BMR units, the first and last would be for levels one and three respectively while the rest would be level two. If there happen to be no qualifying households in level one or two, than any household could apply.
So the way that would work in the lottery in practice is households submit their applications claiming a certain preference category. We would hold three separate lottery drawings to create a ranked list by preference category Staff would offer the BMR unit to the highest ranked household on the list and verify their income. If eligible, then the household would move forward with the process towards occupancy and if not staff would deny eligibility for that household and
move to the next household on the ranked list until all the units are filled or no households remain on the list. Since there are multiple pools of applicants, the level one applicants who don't get a BMR unit they would then get moved over to the level two pool and we would rank the level two pool in a lottery until all the level two BMR units are filled. If the project has three or more BMR units, then all the level two applicants remaining would be moved into the level three pool for the final drawing.
So this structure means that households in category one could have as many as three chances to be selected for a BMR unit. And finally, the city's housing programs are rather unique in that they offer the opportunity for households to rent or buy even across five income categories including very low and extremely low. Some households at those income levels may not be familiar with the purchase process or some of the responsibilities that come with homeownership so staff is recommending a requirement for an eight hour HUD certified or Fannie Mae home buyer education course. So then applicants would have to, that would be a requirement on the application and they would have to submit a certificate of completion with their application.
That concludes my presentation and the staff recommendation is shown here. Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem Smith?
Yes, thank you. And thank you for walking through the steps of sort of how the lottery process works that's helpful. One question I had, I was thinking through particularly where we have units for you know I'm going to start with a couple of things. One is, you know, we have a lot of people who live in very low and extremely low or whatever the titles are. Many of those households are not working so we have either seniors maybe on fixed social security income or people who are too disabled to work and maybe they're receiving Social Security disability benefits.
also have a working person in their residence. They would not fall into the first category because they would not have somebody who works in the city of Goleta, but I guess as a practical matter, I was thinking if someone who's working might put somebody over those income thresholds anyways So if there was no working applicants found to be eligible at those lowest income categories, it would then bump to round two.
I'm just trying to think this through. But even at the... Can you clarify? Then at sort of the round two at that point, you still would sort of have the working folks and like the seniors, maybe people with disabilities All would be pooled together, is that correct in that second round?
Mayor Pro Tem, that's correct. So the criteria for level two is live or work and then any remaining households from the level one drawing would be moved into level two as well. Got it, okay thank
you. Thank you for that clarification.
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Council Member Katz.
Yeah, so actually I was confused with the lottery that you described. So let's say there's 20 units that are available in the lottery. How many then is it just the first unit that's from level one or how does it what's the allocation of each?
Councilmember Kavazan, that's correct. So for level one there's just the first BMR unit but then once that unit is filled then all the remaining people from the level one ranked list then go into level two. In that scenario there would be There's 20 BMR units. The first one would be for level 1, the 20th one would be for level 3 and all the rest would be level 2.
So it's basically consistent with how it was before in terms of A live or work and not really trying to put much of a focus on the level one of live and work. It's only one unit? Did you consider having more than one unit?
We did, but recent projects have not had 20 BMR units or anywhere close to that. It's been more in the range of two or three so if we were to allocate an absolute number for level one without consideration of how many there are in the project, we may end up excluding people who don't work.
No I understand that. I mean that's how sort of lead the, I understand the rationale for level two in essence is that for those people who are on disability or retirees or something like that they qualify for inclusionary or bonus density housing under the level two category. Right? Because assuming they don't live in Goleta right? Yes. But I mean when I think of, I don't know, you know a number of the kind of think A unit that's coming in with 200 units or something like that, new units. Don't we have a fair number of those? In which case it'd be 20 that would be low income.
or very low, it seems like we would have more than just two or three that are forthcoming. Inventory from RENA has plenty of units, plenty of developments that are of sizable amounts, no?
Mayor and Council Member Kasdan, we actually don't have that many large projects. So we typically have 20% inclusionary units if a developer delivers the full amount of inclusionary units that are required and you would need a project that would be at least 100 units to have then 20 below market rate units. And we don't have that many projects that are of that size So,
really? Yeah. I mean what, so you're saying most of ours are let's say five units and below in the, of inclusionary housing in our inventory we have 1800 units coming in, I think right? And of that roughly 1800 units they're mostly going to have three to
five It depends on a number of factors, including how the developer is presenting the application and what essentially exceptions they're taking advantage of, as well as the overall size of the project. And I can pull up and refer to a table that shows kind of some of the pending projects but larger projects are the exception rather than the rule so we do have some projects in the 60 unit range but we don't have a lot of projects in the 100 unit range.
To add to that, so as Mr. Imhoff alluded to there are some state regulations that applicants have availed themselves of that result in a lower number of BMR units being produced.
I would think bonus density pushes them the other direction, that they're going to take advantage of bonus density in order to get some sort of concessions and therefore we'll see more units than we currently are projecting.
That density bonus is one of the state laws, but in order to qualify for concessions and waivers, a developer would only need to provide in one scenario 5% very low. And then they can apply certain concessions to our development standards, which is a larger conversation. Which I think will make its way to you in the form of several other items in the coming months. But what staff has done in this recommendation is try to bring together those realities with the fair housing laws that we have to grapple with and just the numbers that we've been seeing on the ground.
Because as I see it, there's real tangible benefits to the combined version as opposed to the either or version. And I'm sympathetic to the legal challenges that we have but some of those benefits are for instance if they live in Goleta If that's something that we have, they're more likely the chances are much greater that they'll be able to use mass transit. They'll be able to use bikes and alternative transportation because the distances are smaller.
If the housing comes from our area, we free up a unit when they leave that house and come to move in So it just, there's a lot of benefits to doing this. And how is it in Pasadena? How do they, I know that's one of the cases where they have a combined version.
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We looked at the city of Santa Clara. I don't recall Pasadena but I did want to mention that People, individuals with disability tend to use alternative transportation as well. So it's not a cut and dry scenario.
Yeah.
I would just add that we're trying to craft essentially a one size fits all rule here that will apply to projects of any size and we do want to keep at the staff level as a touch point kind of a principle of simplicity that governs this process because it can get, as you can see even with these three factors very complicated very quickly. So we don't want to add undue complexity. That being said if the council thinks that this is not the right balance we can certainly adjust that formula and we could in theory have two different formulas for different size projects at different thresholds. It just adds complexity and makes it a little bit harder to apply
No, I was just saying that two formulas would be unnecessary but you know you could do one-third or one third of the BMRs are you know the first threshold and you know two thirds of a second or something like that rather than a single unit automatically. And so in a big housing thing at least then you set aside a greater proportion than just a single one And Mr.
Rosen, do you remember the Pasadena case? I think we've seen that they have the combined right?
Council Member Katz and I did a very preliminary just quick search it does look like they have a higher priority for live in work over living in the city and working in the city but I haven't evaluated their policy closely okay All
right. I'll stop right there. Thank you.
Thank you. I appreciate how much thought has gone into this, it does get complicated really quickly. I do share some of the same comments we've heard so far about first how would this impact someone who is a senior or disabled? I share kind of that thought process of how would this work for that type of situation and then also if I go back to like what What I think the goals of a local preference would be or should be, I think for me, I'm looking for how do we create opportunities for current Goleta residents to benefit from opportunities that are being created within the city.
And that's across many different types of folks who live here. That's kind of my first area that I look at. We hear so much, so directly from our residents about how they struggle to find housing and how opportunities for ownership feel closed off for them. So I'm really looking at kind of how do we have preference that really benefits Galetans right now? So I think about, you know, I saw in the staff report someone who works in the city or has, I forget how it's phrased, but like a letter or proof that they've gotten a job in the city. And I can understand that.
But I also see we have a lot of growth happening in Goleta and from an economic development standpoint, and a lot of folks are moving here to take jobs or support a thriving local economy, and that's great And I would still want to think through like how would, you know. I don't wanna necessarily get into a position where these very scarce units because of a preference we've set up would go first to maybe someone who hasn't lived in the city but is coming here for a job and we're excited that they have this opportunity but I wouldn't want like folks who are already here you know, not have that first preference. So just sharing some of those thoughts like as I'm thinking about how this would work in practice, you know, thinking through like how do we really make sure that folks in Goleta benefit or have opportunity in a lottery?
So that's more comments and one question I do have is can you talk more about the rationale For the requirement for completing education course you talk more about that.
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Council Member Reyes-Martin, absolutely. That's something that is not uncommon. For example, Habitat for Humanity has that requirement and they contract with an agency down in Ventura County. It's a pretty low bar. There actually are courses available online so you could do it that way but it just helps ensure that anyone embarking on home ownership at least somewhat prepared with some of the requirements, submittal requirements, documentation they need to provide as well as some of the longer term home ownership responsibilities.
Thank you. That's helpful, and I definitely can see where an education course like that would be helpful. I guess I wouldn't want it to be an unnecessary barrier to some of the exact populations I just mentioned like seniors or folks who are disabled or folks who have language access challenges so I don't know what the course looks like and if There are accommodations for different types of learners or how they would access the course. I hope and imagine that there's some thought put into access to completing the course, and that it wouldn't create a barrier.
I do believe that there are bilingual versions and there are low cost and no cost options online as I mentioned.
Oh, so it's not like a free course you'd have to pay for it in some cases?
Mm hmm.
Okay. Yeah, I think that one maybe I'm noodling a little bit more about that I can see the value but I just I, I'm just a little concerned about if it would create a barrier that we don't necessarily want to have
That could be something that if selected, an applicant household would have to complete rather than prior to being selected having that cost
outlay. I think I would support that path more because that might turn folks away from even applying if they don't have access to the course but thank you. I think it is a good idea. How to package it or in what sequence is kind of my question.
It's not an uncommon requirement. For example, the county I believe requires that potential buyers have a pre-qualification letter so at some point you are gonna have to get into the bureaucracy of buying a home and so I take your point that it could be something to be done once selected.
Yeah, folks might be way more motivated at that point to do that. Okay. Thank you. Those are my questions for now. Mayor Pro
Tem
Smith?
I just wanted to briefly respond to some of the comments about sort of the unit, the limited unit process to respond to Councilmember Kasdan's comments. I do think, I understand the concern. I think that the benefit of having a more narrowly tailored process is the benefit of, you know I think it's would be seen as compliant with with the fair housing laws state and federal. And those are important so I think in terms of kind of balancing the benefits that can come from the local preference versus making sure that we have a process that's lawful and upholds the values of fair housing, I think is important. We have to acknowledge our community as diverse as it is. We don't have certain large populations We don't have a large black population.
We just don't have certain races, ethnicities, other backgrounds represented here and so to the extent that we exclude opportunities for those folks, we have to be very cautious and mindful. So in terms of the balance I think it's just important to keep that in mind.
Thank you. Council Member Carioca?
Thank you, Madam Mayor. This has been a good discussion and a lot of my questions have been asked and answered but I did want to kind of touch on something that one of the threads that Council Member Kasdan was pulling on about kind of this at least perceived gap between the amount of deed restricted affordable housing we thought we could reasonably anticipate from based on our housing element process versus what our lived experience might end up being at the end of this housing element experience.
So when we passed our housing element, SB 330 was in effect but was scheduled to sunset in I think January of 2025 and then AB 130 came along and extended SB 330 forever. Can staff talk a little bit about the potential implications of having the ability of developers to request exceptions based on various reasons and how that can impact our ability to implement a local preference policy because the number of projected units that the city is anticipating getting, that could be subject to this policy.
Could potentially be reduced. Can you talk a little bit about that? And I'm not sure how specific you can get.
Yeah, and this is, I think an evolving issue as we understand how state law interacts with our local ordinances. So the starting point is our locally adopted inclusionary housing ordinance which typically requires 20% of market rate units be offered at deed restricted below market rate I want to start by saying thank you Deliver a lower number of units and it gets there. There are a lot of technicalities there We are again looking at those and as miss Graham alluded to earlier We do intend to be bringing back some revisions to an inclusionary housing ordinance An inclusionary housing ordinance amendment through the Planning Commission and to the council later on this calendar year So we'll be getting into those issues in more depth And of course our goal in in permitting projects is to assure that projects meet our requirements and ideally include as many de-districted below market rate units as possible consistent with our adopted ordinance.
So all that is to say that we're seeing that on projects that are being proposed, especially under SB 330, that they are not proposing the full 20% that we had anticipated in the housing element and that again is an emerging issue that we're dealing with However, we do have and I pulled up, I don't know that we have it in a slide form but I did pull up to reference a table of current status.
are pending housing projects and we do have a range of different projects, different sizes. We do have some smaller projects in the kind of 10 unit range and then we do have projects in the 50, 60 and even 70 unit range that are at someplace in the process. We also have one 100 unit project that we're anticipating so we really do have arrange And again, in terms of how this formula is structured and applied. We are certainly open to council direction as to how you wish to proceed if, as Council Member Kasdan suggested, you want to shift to a one-third, one-third mix. That's something that I imagine we could entertain and apply it that way. That might be a little bit less sensitive Specific size of the project as well as the number of below market rate units that actually are delivered as part of a given project
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Thank you for that explanation, I think this just kind of underscores You know some of the challenges that we face as a city. You know the state provides us with direction The state uses the housing element process to enforce accountability for the city even though we're not responsible for building housing, we become accountable for it. And so when these rules shift, it impacts some of our different tools that we have here locally that we try to use to meet our housing element goals and so that can be frustrating but I applaud the efforts of our staff to try and come up with this policy and help us meet the moment in terms of I guess where I'm sitting with us right now, Probably leaning a little bit more towards the one-third, one-third approach that Councilmember Kasdan discussed.
And then some of the other thoughts I think I'm still reflecting on. Thank you.
So first, I guess this is for the comment that Councilperson Reyes-Martin raised as far as giving, how do we kind of emphasize or encourage Gileadans to get the benefits of this? And one of the, and this goes to Councilmember Smith's comment is a fair housing question. That right now, the live portion, do you live is South Coast, so they get a point not for Goleta per se. So we don't have anything on live that reflects the Goleta itself. The only Goleta portion as I understand is in the work. If you work in Goleta, it's specific to Goleta but the live is the broader area and I mean I can see there's a rationale in terms of its one housing market and so in essence if they are whether they're living in Goleta or something like if you leave an apartment I'm going to go ahead and get started.
Between categories one and two, are we likely to get just such a vast number of people applying that there's sort of no need even for three? Any sense have you from other cities or just your intuition whatever.
I do believe that we would get hundreds of applications for a small number of units at least
Okay.
Yeah.
So what is the advantage actually of setting aside, uh, yeah, intentionally setting aside a guaranteeing for level three? Are we likely to, um, cause these are people I gather who neither live in the city nor work in the city. Is there a reason that we would want to, I mean, I can understand another words if there's a category like If we're capturing people who are disabled or if there's a certain group, or people who are homeless and not working. They're living in their vehicle and they're just getting a disability check. They might not be eligible based on either living in the city, if they don't have a rent payment and they don't have a lease, they're in their vehicle.
If they're getting disability, they might not count. So is that level three?
I think the short answer is that we want this process to be open to all or we don't want to exclude anyone inadvertently through creating a process that is limited to just people who happen to live here now or work here now.
Council Member Kasdan, there has been discussion from the dais. I think part of the proposal to ensure that at least some of the BMR, the below market rate units are available for everyone is to ensure as Director Imhoff said that the demographics of who lives and works or live or works in the city may not be reflective of the larger community here in the city or regionally and so I think what's clear is there is a challenge certainly in trying to create Local preference policy that tries to account for the larger demographics and so that's what staffs proposal is meant to reflect. Having different priorities. This is primarily
Fair Housing Act compliance?
There are certainly components of that, yes.
I could add as the staff person who maintains the interest list, I interact with people on that list. And that is the reason that I pointed out those examples of people who live what we would call locally maybe not as defined but locally live and work and yet they fall into category three Another one, another type of category of applicant that I encounter is someone who grew up here and has already been displaced. And they would love to be here near family et cetera.
So those people would likely fall in Category 3 so there's that in addition to just fair housing issues.
Okay, that's more compelling. How about that homeless question? They would be Category 3 then if somebody is living in their vehicle so we don't have documentation about living in Goleta. You know they live probably near Gersh Park and They're just getting disability, so they don't get the benefit of working in the city necessarily. They become category three?
Councilmember Kazin, I think that's a good example of the difficulty in administering some of these policies. So you know if they had an entry in HMIS or one of the county systems etc., you know I think that we could ascertain where they have been living even if homeless but that takes time and is is not cut and dry always so we would just do the best.
Yeah, no I was just curious.
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Can I just jump in on this one? My understanding is what we're deciding here tonight We will be coming back with more criteria on folks that we want to make sure are part of the continued criteria and homeless would be one of them possibly.
Madam Mayor, just to summarize what I said at the beginning, on the conversation we're having now, the conversation and the presentation that was made on having three tiers and three levels of lottery, we would like a decision tonight. On adding further criteria that might have to do with factors like on the verge of becoming homeless or other factors that might relate to that umbrella, we're going to place that on the work plan list the priority list for the housing division for next spring. And at that point, the council can decide as they always do if it how it how that task meets you know with all the other priorities that are going to be asked of the housing division and that can be decided at that time.
So that's why I asked that question because more to come right?
Right no I agree more to come but in this case it's really just referring to live what defines Living in the city for this criteria is living in the city or working in the city, you know working we've talked about that working In the city I gather is not necessarily including if you're just getting a disability check or something. That's Doesn't count as working that is pushed into category one of the other categories right if your and likewise if you I spend many years reading regulations. It's hard,
it's really hard.
So I got it right more or less?
Yes that's correct
but if you're verifying where they live I mean if they're getting a disability check wouldn't it be probably coming to an address in the city of Goleta?
That would be live here. That's a good point. Does post office box count? We don't have
to... You do raise a good point in that with a lottery situation, with three pools and hundreds if not thousands of applications we don't have The staff to verify before the lottery so we're basically gonna have to rely on self-certification until we get to the point of Selection and offering of a unit in which case we verify both income Category all other eligibility criteria.
Yeah, I just wanted to propose that portion, how you manage whether you verify ahead of time or after. I would be comfortable having it be to your discretion if you want to change something, try one approach and it's too burdensome and then you try another approach. That is to administer the program, you have the discretion to make changes. We'll just figure out kind of the broader policy You know how the lottery works and so forth when you verify this and that that would be you can up to you That would be I'd find
If I could add one more aspect, Mayor. So when we talk about projects that are availing themselves of creative methods under state law and producing fewer units the job of current planning staff is to ensure that they meet our requirements and state requirements and they do a good job at that so in some of the projects that Mr. Inhofe and I are referring to The applicant is still meeting the 20% requirement. They're just paying fees for part of it, and so those fees are obviously not units constructed here and now but they are funds that we can use to leverage and provide gap financing for non-profit housing providers or incentives possibly for for-profit developers, unknown at this point. But that's something to keep in mind as well and this lottery process could apply to those future units or if it were say a County Housing Authority project certain funding requirements.
They don't use a lottery system, they use referrals and other things according to their program requirements so I just wanted to mention that.
I really like the word that you used in there creative. I think that's what we need to be here is get a little creative thank you. Council Member Kariyako?
Thank You Madam Mayor. I just wanted to follow up on the PO box point you know just kind of an interesting to me it interesting fact For purposes of voter registration, unless the law is changed you don't have to have a permanent residence. You can attest when you sign your voter registration affidavit that you are a resident and you can indicate where you are staying to the extent that you have a place to stay. You can list a P.O. box for purposes of receiving your mail.
So I find it interesting that it's challenging to try Use somewhat similar criteria to help implement a program that could help people get out of that situation and into a permanent residence. To me, just kind of an interesting fact that is challenging and requires further review. We can't just do it.
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That's a good point. I think it's less a difficulty of deciding what we're going to accept or not and more a matter of ensuring fairness for all applicants who are meeting the criteria 100% and others who may be less so.
Council Member Kasten?
Yeah, one more question. The class that they have to take is it a private class or a public class? I mean is it given by the state or do you have to go to a private vendor?
Council Member Kazdin this is a new requirement and so we would have to see what we require but as I mentioned there are online ones that you would do at home or we could choose to contract with someone like Habitat does
Any idea how much they cost?
The ones that I saw online were less than $100. Okay,
and this would be something that anyone who won the lottery would be obligated to take. So given what you've said about how many people... Is that right? Is it just those who won the lottery to get the house or were you thinking of having anyone applying
I think what we've heard tonight is that the preference would be for those selected in the lottery to be required to take the course.
And since we'd be verifying compliance with all criteria at the point that somebody was selected for the lottery, we really wouldn't need to have a certificate until somebody was selected. So functionally only somebody who won the lottery would need to take the course.
They would be submitting a large number of documents and that could be one of them. And
this is people who are purchasing these, so they are a, this is a minor expense if you're buying a house. Okay thank you.
Mayor Patron Smith?
Oh, yes. Just to follow up in my experience, you know, HUD will usually have, you know, select a certain number of vendors. They may be for-profit or nonprofit and then they have to meet certain requirements that HUD provides and it's a common requirement for, you know, you If like you're filing bankruptcy or if you're applying to certain type of federal loans.
So HUD typically does that process and so you can usually just refer to their list of organizations that are serving Santa Barbara County. And on top of that, I will say based on everything I saw, I've experienced advising homeowners during the foreclosure crisis. I really do strongly recommend an education course at the bare minimum Unfortunately, many of us grow up in families. Financial literacy is just not something that's taught and it may not be something you learn about in your own family.
And there's also scams and other things out there so having a verified source that's HUD approved is a good thing.
From, if I could add to that Madam Mayor. This requirement helps the home buyers it helps staff and the city we don't want to see foreclosures or you know any of any tragedy in that vein and it also helps developers one concern that that we have heard from developers is finding qualified buyers in those low income categories. So this would help people know what's expected and be prepared to meet those requirements.
All my questions have been asked, so I don't think I'm left with much. The situation mentioned of households with one member that currently works or has been hired or is offered a job in the city, so you initially find that out in the beginning when they apply. I'm thinking that's more like a family maybe, but if that one person moves are they required to let you know? Because now you have a house that might not qualify. How does that work? How do you enforce that? That was my only concern with all the recommendations is I was wondering how the enforcement would be handled.
Madam Mayor, for rentals the property owner or property manager manages the unit and who is on the lease and calculates household income. And so if one person leaves and they no longer meet the income requirements then there's a process to deal with that in the manual. For homeownership, you're not required to meet employment criteria or income criteria at following purchase.
We do an annual monitoring via survey and we make sure that they haven't refinanced or taken money out, things like that. But the people on title need to be living there in order to continue complying with the residency, primary residency requirement. Okay
that makes sense thank you it helps me understand that one any more questions? Is there I think I'm glad that we put the other on hold their criteria is that will be looking at in spring and Do you feel there's a sense of urgency to get to those quicker? Do we have units in the pipeline that are going to be coming available, or do you think that maybe is a little ways off?
Madam Mayor for the second set of criteria. I don't think that there is urgency I think there are a lot of technical issues about how we would apply those and define those There are however Steady flow projects that are coming through the process now, and that will be hopefully delivering Low market rate units that will go through a lottery process at some point in the next year
We want to be ready for that
Yes, but this will help us to get ready for that and then we can take the second set of criteria if the council directs us in the spring to do so. And we can look at that more closely.
Okay thank you. Public comment? Thank you.
Yes thank you Madam Mayor I have no speaker slips for those of you on the zoom webinar who wish to speak to this item please use a raised hand icon and i will call on you I'm seeing no public comment for this item,
Mayor. Okay. So what are we looking for here? A motion? Are we in need of a motion? I would think. I'm trying to find it.
We're going to put it up on screen.
Oh thank you. That helped. There it is. Okay who would like to make that motion? Council Member Kastan.
Yeah well I'd like to make the motion with one-third one-third one-third if So
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I do and I'm probably catching my staff off guard but if the council is inclined to go to that, I think we need a half hour to pressure test that suggestion. And so there is another item on your agenda tonight I would ask that you trail this item, looking for the looks right now to see if that's okay so we can just put a little thought into that and maybe amend the slide so we fully understand how the one third, one third would work. And then bring it back and you can finalize the motion and make sure we don't see some fatal flaw.
So that would be my if the council's inclined to go that way on the 1 3rd, 1 3rd, 1 third. Maybe you're not but if you are I would ask that the item be trailed and we come back and staff can then show how the one-third can show an example of how the one-third, one-third, one third would work.
Here's a thought why don't we see if the motion gets support? And then if it doesn't get support like from discussion they could always be withdrawn But if there's support but with analysis, then it can be withdrawn and come back in a half hour.
Council Member Reyes-Martin? Does that make sense? Do you have a suggestion here? Yes.
I think I would like to see the comparison of how the 1 3rd, 1 3rd would work compared to what's now so it's not necessarily saying I have a preference one way or the other but I think it's a good suggestion and in order for me Kind of determine where I fall. I'd like to see an example if we have the time for that.
I'm sorry, I don't even understand what's meant by one third, one third, one third.
That was my
concern. Oh okay. If that could be clarified at the very least.
Thank you. Okay, so right now the staff report to put words in your mouth
uh... is that if there's uh... whether there's three units available of below market rate housing or ten units available at the low market rate housing only the first unit would be allocated on a uh... that is to live and work only the first one would be allocated on uh... For the first, only a single unit would be allocated for that level one of live and work.
And only one unit would be allocated for the level 3 which is only meeting the income criteria and all the rest would be included in level 2. Instead, what I'm proposing is that however many units there are whether 3 or 9 or 10 that 1 third is in level 1, 1 third is in level 2 and 1 third is in level 3 And that I can see, you know, there's you raised some good observations about level three also. So, you know, I think each of them has their merits so to speak or a rationale why
That's a good description and we'd be happy to look at it and come back after the next item if that's the council's desire.
And Madam Mayor and Council, I'll just with that explanation check in with staff to see if there was an understanding there again it was my suggestion that we just take the half hour while you're taking the next item to make sure we didn't miss anything but I'll look to you Peter and Lucy if you're comfortable with how it was just described
Yes, and there are a few fine points we'll have to pin down. So for example if you had a total number of units that was not evenly divisible by three, if you have nine units it's easy. If you have ten units then that extra unit or 11 units would have to go to one of the two categories so we'd have to prioritize that. But I and we will certainly look at that and do a little pressure test. But off the top of my head, I'm not seeing any reason why that wouldn't work necessarily.
And it would be then proportionate to the size of the project. So it's really kind of a policy call for the Council as to where you think the policy emphasis should be for these three categories, live and work, live or work and then all others. And right now the policy emphasis especially the larger the project falls on that second category so the second category is weighted more heavily on larger projects
Mayor Pro Tem Smith. Yes, I just wanted, I guess two things. First, I'm personally not in support of the recommendation. I understand the good intent but I think a few things. One it would be nice to move something forward this evening in light of what we know we have coming and I think being narrowly tailored As currently proposed, you know, protects the city.
Supports all of the important philosophies behind all the fair housing laws and sort of then places the balance of the weight on the income criteria which I think is sufficient as our units are restricted so but
Madam Mayor, could I add something to the discussion? So even in a scenario where there are nine BMR units It would be, there would be some discretion needed on the part of staff because if you recall how our inclusionary housing ordinance is structured. There's five income categories and the 20% is spread across those so it isn't just a blanket BMR unit we would have to decide which And it depends on what the applicant is proposing.
There's a provision in our ordinance where they can add up all the decimal remainders and build at the low income level, so my point is that it's never simple and so we could run some numbers certainly but I just wanted to... I didn't want you to get the impression that any of these are simple
I mean, I'd be comfortable giving you the discretion that there's the overall framework of how it might operate and then you have the discretion to implement it in a way that makes sense.
So are we thinking it needs to come back or are we going to try a motion?
Well, we're not talking about to go to Council Member Smith's comment. This wasn't the discussion about coming back for a future meeting. No, no tonight City Manager said was give us
true but Madam Mayor and council members I guess there is a second option and that is coming back to another meeting. It could be on consent Again, that would give us the opportunity to pressure test it if there was agreement tonight. But if there's not agreement then another option is always to continue the item and come back. But the thought was on this idea of one-third, one-third I just wanted to make sure we didn't rush into a motion that was not fully understood and we haven't looked at the numbers.
So all those options are available to Council.
I think we want to first see if there's support for.
Just to go to your point Ms. Graham, how would you even on the what you presented? How would you decide which of the different lower income categories would go? You know invariably you're going to have to decide it's just right now it's just the first below market unit is what we're discussing and it's not clear if that is very low, low moderate So it seems that it's a common, it isn't just whether we have one-third, one-third, one-third. It's going to be an issue to deal with the complexity of it under any of the conditions.
Councilmember Kazdin, that's correct. Every project is different and even within the confines of our ordinance and how we envisioned it working there is some flexibility for the developer in how they structure their proposal and so as the implementation person for affordable housing my job is to just respond to that
Right, okay. So I'll make a motion and then with the one-third and then we vote and if it goes forward...
No no no
just
just vote on... The most I thought the motion would be what is on before us now and if that doesn't am I correct?
So Mayor and Council just to step in I think we do actually have a pending motion from council member Kasdan on on the floor. It hasn't yet been seconded But it sounded like there was a motion for 1 3rd, 1 3rd, 1 third. It sounds like we have some clarification but we would need a second and then sort of a discussion. And I think as Mr. Nisbet said there are a couple options available to the council if there's action to move forward.
Okay so we have a pending motion and a second for the concept of a one-third split among the three levels of criteria
I guess my question would be, I thought we were going to hold off if we went...I guess if that doesn't move forward the motion that's on the floor. No
no no he just wants
to... We wouldn't need the half hour if there isn't support for it. If we're having problems
just imagine what you guys are up
against.
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In council I think to a point Mr. Nisbet raised if there's consensus among the body, I heard Council Member Kasdan say sort of to do a one-third split among the three levels of priority and then giving staff discretion to figure out some of the details if there's support for that among the body, then one of the options Mr. Nisbet raised is taking a vote and then the policy particulars with staff's discretion could come back on a future meeting on consent which is similar to what the council did with the development impact fees. So of course that's contingent on whether the body wants to move forward with that but that's the procedural mechanism that was used in that.
We do have a motion on the floor and it was seconded so are we ready for a vote?
I
am.
Okay.
So does the motion that's on the floor give the sufficient direction to do exactly what you just said or does it
need to be
amended?
I would ask both the motion maker and the second if what I articulated is consistent with your motion, that it's one third split between the three priorities providing staff discretion to work out some of their particulars and to come back with a revised policy on consent at a future meeting.
Sounds
good. I still support, yeah. Do you have a question?
I support with that amendment.
And could I make a friendly amendment that staff also address the adjustment on the education piece to move... Oh yeah, acceptable
to me.
To move the education requirement to once the homeowner is selected.
Yeah. I
support that. We're all saying yes. Okay.
Now
we all know what we're voting for? Yes. Just checking to make sure. Okay, roll call vote.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 move the education requirement to once the homeowner is selected. Yeah. I support that. We're all saying yes. Okay. Now we all know what we'
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my preference would have been to have passed the policy as currently proposed
You amended it
and then you voted no anyway. And Mayor Parodi?
Aye. Okay. Yeah, that's cold. That was gentle. Okay thank you so much. Do we need a break before going on? Okay, let's take a short break.
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That will take us to item C3. Operations plan for the Goleta train station.
Good evening Madam Mayor, Council Members my name is Matt Floor I'm the General Services Director with me is Mr. Fred Kim he's the Facilities and Fleet Coordinator in the General Services Department. Fred is here because Many of the operational variables that we discussed tonight, Fred has been instrumental in developing a plan to satisfy them but also will just be in charge of those for the life of the facility. So he'll be a great resource for us.
This is a recent photo of the train station construction site. You can see that it's still a very busy ecosystem and this is an appropriate photo because much of the information that's been shared with Council and the public to date has focused on construction, but we felt like we're at a point in the construction now that it warranted our turning our attention to the operation and maintenance of the facility. And so, that's what we're here tonight is to talk to you about how we develop this operations plan, what were the variables? What were the considerations and the constraints so that you understand what we're doing as we get closer?
So just by way of background, the construction on the train station began in September of 2024. It's a 9000 square foot facility and it's full service. It has got a number of amenities. It has got rentable meeting space, bicycle storage both interior and exterior ample parking and undeveloped cafe space Lots of amenities like Wi-Fi, a Wi-Fi network for the public, device charging, ample tables and chairs and two outdoor plazas.
So as I said, the station's expected to open by the end of this calendar year. And so we started looking at the operational considerations. The first step was that council adopted about nine policies regarding the station back in April. There's been an interdepartmental team at the city that's been meeting for about the last seven months to identify these variables and to work our way through them There were several factors that influenced the plan that you see today. One is the need to balance service delivery needs with costs and budget constraints, and then the second thing—and you'll hear this often tonight—this is a new venture for the city. This is not only the first ground-up construction that we've undertaken but this is the first time not only that undertaken operating and maintaining a train station, but this is also the first facility in the city that is open seven days a week year-round.
And so those two variables are Pretty significant borders on the operational plan. So what you'll see tonight, this is based upon staff research we spoke to a lot of people. You know we spoke to the City of Santa Barbara staff. We spoke to the Amtrak staff at the Amtrak station. We all have our own Amtrak contacts through the platform that we've had so far But this plan will no doubt evolve. This is the year one plan, and I want you to keep that in mind. That's an important factor. There are some things that no doubt will evolve but And we'll see where that goes, and we'll get into the staffing. But one of those elements was permanent staff.
We haven't done this before. We don't know what we need. We don't know that the answer will rely in city staff. Maybe it's contractors, maybe it's other service providers. So think of this as the next 12 to 18 months and then in the next two year budget cycle I think you might see some changes or you might not. We'll evaluate how we did and we'll go from there.
So to go into those operational considerations, the first is on staffing and facility oversight. The facility is largely automated and tickets are obtained online through smartphones or computers. There are electronic arrival and departure boards. There are audible speakers to tell people when trains are coming and going. In fact One does not need to enter the station to embark or disembark a train.
That's another important point, you do not physically need to walk through the facility to get on or off of the train. So there's no direct service by Amtrak personnel or by city staff. In fact the Amtrak model, the staffing model of Amtrak staffing these facilities is from what we have researched as sort of an older model it's going by the wayside where Amtrak personnel continue to directly staff are the really big hubs You know, like LA Union Station, this big Sacramento one. Those sorts of facilities are still actively staffed by Amtrak. What we see in other locations are sometimes it's the host jurisdiction that's staffing them but many of them about 25 or 30 stations in California of the 76 Amtrak stations are staffed. The remainder are not.
So we are not proposing a permanent staff presence. As a result, we are relying on a multi-layered approach of a number of things the first is a drop in office there's an office space it does contain The critical guts of the facility and things like cameras, so it'll be staff only city staff only. But we do have a drop in office that city staff can use sheriff personnel can use that will have a presence in the facility for much of the time in the first week Mr. Kim here will be permanently assigned to the station. um to keep an eye on things and to adjust how we're operating. The second element for city staff is we will have three reserve parking spaces there will be city staff dropping in All the time, you know public work staff will be there for landscaping and plaza maintenance.
Neighborhood services staff will be there in relation to the reservable community room. General services staff will certainly be there. Sheriff's personnel will be there. We have also built in, you can see in the budget a third-party day porter service Now that's different than janitorial service. But a day porter, the plan with the day porter contemplates a third party contractor coming to the site several times a day to really be the eyes and ears for the city so they come in They walk the perimeter, they look at what's going on in the facility. If there are maintenance issues, if there is unruly behavior or misuse of the facility, that call goes to Fred immediately or 911 if needed. We're not really talking about 911 emergency calls. Those will be handled by county dispatch.
We're really talking about things that are urgent but You know, not emergency. But the day porter also does spot cleaning restock supplies in the restrooms empties trash cans that you know wipes high touch surfaces those sorts of things keeps it presentable keeps it nice but beyond cleaning and I can't emphasize this enough they are the eyes and ears they are giving the periodic reports every couple hours to city staff of what's happening The second element is electronic. We have video surveillance and cameras throughout the facility, and then finally we have access control and burglar alarms.
So there are sections of the facility that are open to the public. There are sections that are not, and if we have an intrusion or if we have a presence in a place where somebody's not to be, we would be notified. So that's our approach for staffing and facility oversight. The second operational consideration is the hours of operation. And we're proposing in the budgets predicated on operating hours of 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., Monday through Sunday.
I'll stop here, the published PowerPoint had a typo that said Monday through Friday. It's Monday through Sunday to be consistent with the staff report. We're also proposing that the station would be closed on city-recognized holidays Now the 7 to 7, I'll say this. Train schedules can always change like we will likely see changes when the Olympics come to LA. We'll see you know potentially seasonal changes but right now as we look at the summer schedules this 12-hour window covers all but two arrivals and departures so this is covering overwhelming number of of the of service needs uh...
and again entry into the station is not required to purchase tickets to embark or disembark a train and then another question what about restrooms for those early birds and night owls well there are restrooms on the trains themselves and so somebody has access to a restroom the only other thing i would mention on a train station is It's not an airport. And we're conditioned, with airports you arrive two hours early or if it's an international flight even more and airport terminals are set up for long stays that's why you have restaurants and bars and gift shops and all those things.
Train stations don't. Much shorter than an airport and so just keep that in mind when we're talking about the operational needs The other consideration, and again this is a consideration, is parking. You know we have ample parking as you can see on the slide later about the budget it's a sizable operational budget. It's an estimated budget for now but it's fairly sizeable and there's an opportunity to to look at paid parking, which we'll get into. But as part of that ample parking there are 13 EV charging stations as part of the parking lot. So this will be the second city facility that has EV charging. We have City Hall and we now will have the train station The EV chargers are PowerFlex, so that's great for us. That standardizes the type of EV charging and the platform that we monitor in the vendor that we work with now for two city facilities.
So all of the EV charging stations both here at City Hall and the train station are now standardized with the exception of the one beam charger here at City Hall. That's still a bit of an outlier. As part of this, and credit goes to the sustainability team under the Planning and Environmental Review Department. They saw the opportunity to standardize EV charging rates throughout the city for all chargers now. And so they took new standardized EV charging rates to the Green Committee Council in August of 2026.
The rates are 45 cents a kilowatt hour during peak times and 35 cents a kilowatt hour during non-peak times, and that will be coming to the full council very soon for consideration of adoption. So the paid parking idea, it's an option. It's not something that we've done. We haven't built it into the facility. This is something that will come to Council for your decision but in the interim we have hired a consultant to look at the opportunity, look at the options what might they entail And we've asked a consultant to design and oversee, like to look at our needs analysis. To look at our site constraints. To look at the opportunities. And then they would devise the type of system that we should be looking at. They would then oversee the solicitation of proposals from those parking management system consultants And for turnkey service.
So if we were going to do this for operation and maintenance of whatever the system is, for customer payments and the remittance of those payments to the city, and even the potential of parking enforcement. And so lots of variables all of this would come back to council but in order to bring you an approach or at least an analysis of the options that's where we are.
The next consideration is public information, and there are a variety of means of distributing public information vis-a-vis the train station. The first is that there's comprehensive wayfinding signage throughout the facility. It's very easy to see what's where in terms of all the amenities. We have set up a dedicated webpage for the train station. I've given the URL here It features links to Amtrak because a lot of the questions that will come up will be with Amtrak and schedules and ticketing and things like that.
The station policies that Council adopted back in April will be there. We'll also have a button for reporting issues to the City, reserving the community room and information about that And then finally, as shown on the slide here, there are kiosks, informational kiosks located throughout the facility and even the grounds, the plaza grounds that the public information group under the city manager's office, Ms. Hoover and her team will use these to promote city events and things like that like the drone show and Lemon Festival and things like that.
So aside from the parking lot, we also looked at other revenue generating potential. In the near term, we have already contracted with a vending service for self-serve vending machines in the station. We've also issued an RFP for on-site coffee service, and those proposals are actually due this Friday. And so we've done a job walk, we reached out to every mobile coffee vendor in the county that's permitted by the County Health Department.
So that's underway, and then also we have advertising space. And so similar to an airport terminal there are some opportunities to sell advertising space under policies and guidelines and things but we're looking at that as an option. We've been speaking to the City of Santa Barbara Airport folks about their policies and how they operate those advertising sales.
In the long term, the station does feature an unimproved cafe space. It was designed, it was built, it is unimproved. It doesn't have an exhaust system or appliances or things like that but it has a potential for that and the staff's plan is to rely on the self-serve vending and the coffee service for one to three years To allow ourselves, not only us but potential concessionaires to understand the market dynamics. Understand what's the throughput through the station? What's the environment like?
You know, how attractive is this facility in terms of attracting people to go and use this sit-down cafe? It'll take some time for us to understand that, to solicit proposals, to build out the space. This would be the tenant doing whatever tenant improvements they proposed in order to make that cafe come into existence And then negotiate a long-term lease. It's a big up front investment, it's an unimproved space and so I really am doubtful that until we have a couple of years under our belt of being able to empirically see what the environment is and measure and see what the throughput is will be hard pressed to have somebody be willing Put in those startup costs, spend the tens of thousands of dollars on the tenant improvements and then commit themselves to a long-term lease.
So that's our calculus behind that. This is the estimated budget for the first year. The total is 426,000. You can see that the two of the largest line items have to do with oversight. Janitorial which is routine and urgent. The routine we're gonna have that janitorial service come in daily. Actually I would say seven nights a week and their job will be clear Close and clean.
So they're gonna clear the facility, they're gonna make sure everybody's out at closing time. They will then close and lock the facility. They will then comprehensively clean the facility. The day porter, that's the oversight. Those are the eyes and ears. That's the cleanup of everything from litter to liquid spills to the gross things you see at parks and other city facilities that have high use.
The last thing I want to cover, it's not built into the operating budget but it's something that we are highly concerned about and that's controlling overtime costs. This is again the first seven day a week year-round facility and it's going to be a highly activated facility. We're getting our legs under us now where we have intentionally not taken on much other than making sure we can operate this facility safely and effectively But there are plazas, there's a cafe space. There are a lot of amenities and there's a lot of potential for this site. So looking down the road, this is gonna be a highly activated site and the after hours response is a significant budget concern to us in the way that our overtime rules are every time a non-overtime exempt employee gets even a phone call, that's two hours of overtime And so the trick and the real priority for us is to limit the number of calls out that get to staff that are not truly urgent.
That's really important, and so we have a two-pronged approach to that. The first is we are looking to contract with an answering service And it may expand beyond this facility, but particularly for this facility somebody to triage calls. And if it's an Amtrak call there's no need for it to go to city staff. If it's a call that can be responded to the next business day there's no need for that to go to staff. How do I reserve the community room? Does not need to go city staff after hours. Toilets are overflowing, a water line broke, a fire hydrant is Shooting up into the air, windows broken. There's somebody hanging out inside. Yeah we want to know and we want to know really quickly.
But the answering service, we believe is a prudent and effective and very necessary piece to this puzzle. And then when we do get the calls that are really warranted they should go to us then we're going to rely on a city response team that we already have set up. We have an after-hours team that is paid stand by pay to go and respond to things Not 9-1-1 calls but are urgent and require our attention.
So again, it's not built into the operating budget but it's a concern and we're doing something about it that's really the take home of that. So it's an exciting time for us. We've put a lot of thought and a lot of research into how we're going to operate this facility, and again it'll no doubt change but it's our best attempt at getting out of the gates running well so with that we can take any questions and let's do questions first then we'll come back to the recommendation.
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Thank you. We're all really excited about it. Yeah, that's very nice. Okay. Council Member Carioca.
Thank you Madam Mayor. First of all I'm really excited about this. We're getting closer. When is that ribbon cutting? December? We're looking at mid-December. Okay. That would be great. Very exciting. So my first question let's start with the answering service which you were just talking about. How are these concerns different from concerns that we might bump into at the Goleta Community Center? And how are we handling calls and minimizing overtime concerns there?
Madam Mayor, Council Member Kerrioco. It's a concern there as well. They have I would say during When it's open, there is a staff presence there. There are building attendants and things so that's different for us but we don't have much that happens where we get called out after hours. We have had some two years ago was it two years ago? Two years ago we had a sump pump fail at the community center and Fred and I were out there all Christmas break. So it happens but I think Whenever there is a rental or whenever programming is happening, like the classes and things like that, there's somebody there. I think that's the difference.
This one at 7 AM, the doors automatically come open. We're not unlocking them every day. And then at night, the janitorial staff that comes in locks them up. So I think that's one of the critical things. There are times also where the community center is closed. And so we're gonna be open more than they are. Right,
and so then my next question is rentals because the community center has rentals. So how would staffing work when there's rentals or is the expectation that when there is a community group renting a space there that there wouldn't be staff? So how would that work?
Yeah, you know the community center like the, I'm sorry. The community room like the community center will be managed by Neighborhood Services. They're thinking that through. I think they may share staff with the community center. They're still not they we're still getting our arms around what those would look like but I think the expectation is likely it would be run similar to the Community Center with the meeting room
Now the community center has some staff on site, as you've mentioned. What would be the negative about taking staff from general services or neighborhood services that might otherwise be stationed at GCC or even at City Hall and having someone just available to be stationed there on site?
After hours?
No during regular operating hours.
Oh, I think that's an option.
And would then, from a budgeting standpoint, would then that become a train station cost or would that cost stay within the department? Maybe that can be sorted out later.
Yeah I think that would be sorted out later. The costs for the train station are being captured in their own costs center like the library and like the community center but how it's funded and you know all the mechanics of that and what the funding source is different We could, we could have somebody. I think there are two things. We don't know what we need yet and I would hate to create a position and then we say oh man this isn't the right one. This really should be CityNet might be the one that we want there.
So I don't want to paint ourselves into a corner. I think the potential of that is there to guess what we need before we even open the doors. The second one is Managing the recruitment and turnover of these part-time building attendants, it is beyond the capacity of the seven member general services department to handle. We're not set up for that and it's hard.
We will have, I am extremely confident we will have more continuous surveillance of the site through our multi-layered approach than we would through high risk building attendance where we're likely to have gaps in coverage. Okay
and then was there any consideration you mentioned that the sheriffs would be able to to be stationed there? You know right now we have a substation at Communal Royale Marketplace They have the ability to stage out of here at City Hall. And then they have the little building in Old Town, which I've heard varying opinions on in terms of the usefulness of it, the utility of it how often and frequently it's being used. Is there the potential for some of these after hour times to have one or more of our sheriffs kind of stationed out of there? Just to provide an additional level of security while they're also doing the regular work they would have been doing somewhere else.
Yeah, I can answer that we did consult with the sheriff's office way back when we had the station area master plan that was a requirement under the grant They shared that they couldn't make a commitment to staffing it. Like you point out, they have resources for space at headquarters which is a couple miles away off Turnpike. They also have the Camarillo Marketplace which was built out for them some 15 years ago. There's one in Old Town that you mentioned and there's also City Hall.
We have a number of deputies. We've also taken the approach that the deputies need to be doing what the deputies need to be doing, but if there is report writing and You know, appropriate and reasonable and they want to do some reports from there instead of City Hall or instead of the other locations. I think they would be up for it. I know Connor moves around he has an office at the coming around marketplace.
He might be willing to go down there a couple days a week i don't know um and i don''t want to ask him that right now but our sheriffs have You know, their primary job obviously is patrol and traffic enforcement. So we don't wanna create this expectation that oh there's always gonna be a presence there or there's gonna be a regular presence or not
so. Thank you I appreciate that thoughtful approach. Moving right along it's been pretty hot lately and I think about folks waiting for the train. There's gonna be AC at the train station?
There is.
That's great. I saw some conjecture online about why do you need this train station? People can just wait outside for the train, but I think there's something to be said about AC when it's hot and also a closed door when it's dark, especially during times of the year when it gets dark at like 5 o'clock, 530. So good thinking there. Thank you for doing that and doing that while still having it be LEED Silver rated I want to make sure that didn't change.
Paid parking, let's talk about paid parking. So I guess for me and this may not so much be a question as a comment there are a few things going on right now the City of Santa Barbara is Contemplating losing some long-term parking along the Hollister Corridor and replacing it with a different type of land use. So that would potentially create more demand for different places to do long term parking while they figure out their garage and how their larger plan's gonna work. So I can see the utility and the usefulness of having some kind of a paid parking program to avoid this becoming paid long-term parking for the City of Santa Barbara Airport. So I just want to acknowledge, I think there are conditions and situations where I could get behind some kind of a paid parking program.
We can leave that to the consultant to figure out the best approach but you know it's just some feedback for the consultant when they come up with their plan This is Goleta, not Santa Barbara. And we just kind of have some different expectations here for how parking's supposed to work and when and if you're supposed to pay. And the answer to that question in Goleta is pretty much never.
So I would urge us to tread really carefully when especially early on in having an expectation of paid parking, especially if it's going to be like a kiosk Even like an honor pay thing like they have at some of the Santa Barbara waterfront lots. I don't want to think of parking as being a cost recovery mechanism. I want to think of parking as an amenity. We're trying to encourage people to embrace this space and so I'm very hesitant to support paid parking. So I just wanted to kind of put that on the record I've heard some concern about kind of a feeling that the city kind of changed the plan after we sold the plan and that part of the plan that got people behind this was a restaurant or a cafe, and it's kind of moved from a restaurant cafe to a grab-and-go to an unfinished space.
And hey, what's the deal? Now we're just going to only have a vending machine. To what extent can we embrace, you know, food trucks? Can we have staff coordinating working with food truck companies particularly early on, particularly around the grand opening to try and test out some different cuisines and see what people respond to. There's businesses all along Aero Camino and La Patera and elsewhere I think about Kate Farms and some of the other businesses that are nearby.
I'm sure there would be some interest in food trucks and that could be a way for us to gauge whether or not there is interest over the long term in having food options there that are more than just a vending machine. Has staff given some consideration to that?
So I can start with that and Mr. Fork can also fill in there was no switch of the plans in the train station it's always been designed to receive you know a concessionaire all the way up to a cafe restaurant type So that's been part of the plan because that's part of what we discovered through the stationary master plan document. So, that's been remained, hasn't changed any.
We don't typically, our architects don't typically recommend that we fully build out facilities. You set the stage, you put the conduit, you put all those things that you need the infrastructure to accommodate it but you don't actually go ahead and do it. That's one thing there. The other part I think you make a really good comment, what came up during the stationary master plan was that this area is kind of a food desert in terms of options out there so there are a number of businesses along South La Patera, you know you go over to a couple streets that parallel La Patera and there's not a lot there.
I think the idea of a food truck, you know we've thought about that. Is that possible? How would we make that work? We designed the facility and the space to be able to accommodate a whole plethora of options right so even from the plazas the way everything's designed it can withstand the weight of trucks you know heavier trucks for that purpose because we didn't know exactly what it would be Right at some point, the city may decide it wants to host some sort of series of events.
I don't think we're ready to do that anytime soon, but we have the ability to do that. We didn't design our way out of that or preclude ourselves from doing that. So I think these are things that we've talked about. The food truck item, I know Matt's been mostly focused on getting things up and running. I think we could talk about that a little bit more. We haven't gone and tested the waters with food trucks so I don' wanna say that we have. Matt may have some more comments on that But I think that would be a good way of approaching it, is maybe there's some featured events or the ribbon-cutting.
The other thing that will be unique is we might have some adventurous entrepreneurs who set up shop on the nonrestricted parking that's on South La Patera to test the grounds there. That's allowable. So that may be... a way to get there as well. But I would appreciate the feedback.
Okay,
thank you. I think that's it for my questions.
Council Member Kastan.
Thank you. First, for no particular reason, I'll start with the paid parking and I guess I'm...I think this is worth thinking about that there's value to it because my fear would be people if there's not some sort of restriction people will just leave their old you know we'll just have it filled with empty old cars and that there's always been that issue with people using available spaces so that would be I would want to make sure it's not treated as an old vehicle storage space.
But I wouldn't, the problem is I wouldn't want free timed parking because especially at a train station people might wanna leave their car. They might go to somewhere for the day and want to come back so that a train station is different than just You know, parking on Hollister or something like that. You know with a train you might be going for the whole day or longer and so we want to have some flexibility.
thinking it should be much to get to your concerns. You know, that it shouldn't be a lot but just to make sure we don't have people treating it like a dumping ground for old cars but allow them the flexibility to leave their cars if they go for the day on a train trip. The other thing I worry about, this is not reflective of the design but just a general sort of thing, is homelessness.
Vehicular and otherwise we're offering a bathroom or offering free Wi-Fi and that it's just you know, something to be attentive to. To be aware that whether it's one or the other that it's... I mean Jesus, I remember going to stations, you know, whether it's Greyhounds or Grand Central or Penn and there's always somebody sleeping on it or something like that so just keep that is gonna be a challenge One of the things that I thought about with respect to the meeting room is, you know, to cut down on some of the loitering that might otherwise happen if people just coming in and hanging out there all day long who aren't taking the train.
You know, and thereby deterring or keeping other people from using the station is if we have more of a presence there at all times. And I'm thinking of the meeting room I know with the parks, you can do it online. The community center is also an online reservation sort of thing? Yes. Well as much as we can maybe make it cheap or something but having the community room at least initially do what we can to attract people to use it because having their presence is likely enhance the area. So if there's a discount for using that for your meetings as opposed to in the community center, I think it's a win-win.
Let's see. Well, I guess you know the really sort of last point I wanted to make was well two points one is that This is, just as you said, this is an ongoing process. This is an evolving process and one of the things that's going to be happening on the planning's long-term future plans is doing a specific plan for that area. In other words, when we first proposed, when we were first thinking about doing a train station, one of the rationales, one of the benefits of it is that there would be a synergy. It would really benefit the whole region.
You know, often train stations attract the property values go up in the area and there's an overall benefit. So on plannings future workload is looking at that how do we Consider now that we have a train station there, what zoning changes or other kind of actions we would want to take. And that may lead to if there's more commercial facilities or more residential whatever it is, more demand for this restaurant if people are living in the area and so forth. It'll change the circumstances. So it's just keep that in mind and
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I think the acronym is TOD, right? Transit Oriented Development. So as you have transit hubs it's often very common to see investments in those areas specifically to what you're saying housing other things that make things easier to get around
And to the extent that we facilitate or think through that process with the specific plan, what makes sense here and so forth. I think that would be very valuable to leverage the investment that we've just made and the opportunities this train station would offer in terms of a restaurant and other things. And I think that's it. Thank you.
Thank you. Just a couple of comments. I appreciate how thoughtfully you've approached all of this, and I agree with much of your approach of you thought through as much as possible and then let's see how things work out and then adjust as needed. I think that's really prudent. One that's maybe just to remind me, because I haven't seen the site plan in a while. There is still some like outdoor seating close to the platform for the times when folks are waiting for a train but it's outside of the hours of operation?
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first train. The outdoor plaza has a couple of cool amenities it has the storage for bicycles that even if this station is closed they're available what the actual seat wall looks like. I don't necessarily remember, but we did it for a reason because we want people to kind of hang out there and not have it be limited to just overflow from the cafe or overflow from the community
room.
And as you might recall from the original drawings or from the ones that actually got approved, the community room has three kind of garage door style doors that open up to the outside So that was intended to facilitate inside, outside events. So part of that we would wanna have and I think there's even like a children's play area over there. Part of that is to try to take advantage of the space and the weather that we typically have throughout the year but also too that you know there's gonna be times where the station's closed and so you know we want to be careful also too to not make it too attractive.
Yeah, I'm just thinking about like the train travelers and those outside of business hours that they have somewhere to sit. And then there's lighting at night?
Yes.
Okay.
There's lighting. The lighting structures are embedded in fairly large landscaped circular structures that double up as seating space. And
there's still the remaining lighting Amtrak actually put in several years ago, maybe 10 years ago. That will still remain in place and then We're hoping Amtrak has intimated that they will do small improvements to the platform. Things like touching up paint, making them just look much more presentable with time and then ultimately I think the long-term plan is several years out but that's going through right now LOSAN which is the additional tracking for storage so train storage.
Not baggage storage, so that will actually help too in terms of coordinating additional train service through our area.
Yeah. And then I think, you know, speaking of the community room, I do think it'll be a good opportunity in this like startup time to try to promote that with like local nonprofits or other groups. I know groups are always looking for like meeting space or space for like social gatherings and I am thinking more like maybe a nonprofit or a business where they're used to paying for something like that.
And this is going to be, you know, a new, hopefully exciting space for that. So having pictures taken when there's an event I think can help with that too. I love the idea of trying out a food truck or some kind of option like that as, again, a way of almost proof-of-concept. People will want that and then that could get some of those more entrepreneurial folks to maybe see that as an opportunity for a more permanent space.
And then lastly on parking, we talked about it very briefly in the Town and Gown Committee when you came to present a very high level about this. And I appreciate the comments so far from Council. I think it's a really good idea to do the analysis and have the RFP so that then Council can make a decision My initial reaction was, oh yeah we definitely should have some kind of paid parking. For reasons that have been brought up that I think in the absence of that I do worry that it becomes free airport parking and then that becomes really difficult to manage and then it does you know then that really just creates Thank you very much.
consultant is to kind of find the balance that still provides great access to residents and to folks that are using the train, that it's not a fee that is really high. I agree we're not Santa Barbara or even the airport. I know exactly what it costs to park there and park overnight even. And overnight parking is probably something that you may want to think through how that would work So I'm sure a consultant will have a lot of creative ideas about how to structure something and provide some options.
I also think it's prudent, you know not as a cost recovery but as a way to generate some revenue to help offset the operating costs or just the ongoing facility costs. I think it's responsible of us to at least consider that as an option, so I appreciate that you're gonna work on that and bring that back for us to have a really robust discussion about that.
That's all I got, thank you.
So just a couple comments, if I may. On the community room we have already gotten a number of people who have great ideas about how to use it and how to feature it including folks that are in the art world wanting to do displays or exhibits there. So that's kind of already just organically happening. The other part for the parking, it's interesting because some of the comments are exact... It sounded like you guys were on the call last week when we had the kickoff meeting with a consultant but a lot of these concepts came up.
I mentioned that being a Goleta resident and growing up here that the concept of paying for parking is very foreign and may not be met with a lot of open arms but We also wanted to make the distinction that this is a different type of parking and facility. It's intended to serve a purpose, it's not just parking for parking sake. We also talked about incentivizing certain behavior, disincentivizing other behavior. I think Mr. Nisbet uses the analogy of the Goldilocks solution right? Not too much, not too little. And finding a really good balance of what ultimately will help drive the train station success which is increased ridership. At the end of the day The train station was built for, and that's what the greenhouse gas funding that led to us receiving a grant was for.
So those are all kind of those percolating issues that are kind of core to the discussion so far. We're trying to find ways to balance, you know, If Mr. Rio was here, he'd wanna say cost recovery or offsetting revenues for expenses. We did start with that in mind but we also wanna be cognizant of encouraging people to take the train so we don't wanna make it prohibitively expensive or change the dynamics where someone might say you know what? When you factor in parking, it doesn't really make sense anymore.
Thank you.
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Mayor Pro Tem Smith. Yes, thank you. I'll just say I think I share Council Member Kariako's concern about the parking and I think part of what informs my concern is the current parking at the stop is free and I think what would be helpful if this comes back is thinking about Then what's not, have we had problems with that current existing situation? Have there been problems with that?
But if the calculus is different now. So for example because we've taken on this responsibility of this station or if we do have different Things we need to weigh. You know, I think we really need to make sure our public understands that if we implement anything.
That's an important distinction just to be clear the 27 parking spaces that are currently in front of the platform those are controlled by Amtrak so that is private property and so there's a lot of different things they can do that are different than what public entities can do with their parking in terms We will definitely try to get as much information about Amtrak with the issues they've had, but they're often able to just, I haven't seen that car too long. We're going to yank it and they deal with it. How often they do that?
a representative that kind of covers a pretty big area, so I don't think they're out here daily or even weekly. But we can certainly get some information, some background information on that. And then I thought I had another point but if it comes back I'll share it.
Thank you. That's a good point, and I think to the extent that there are differences there we want to make sure our public knows that.
Okay sorry the second part was we're taking those spaces away ultimately right? And so those parking spaces will now be reflective in our facility so then it'll be different because when you walk out of the train station instead of walking down well now there is nothing until we open But that space is now parking spaces, that will all be clear. So it will be essentially a pathway to get to the platform so we don't want to have conflicts between pedestrians and cars and riders. And so the parking will be on the other side of the building so that will be fundamentally different from what's there.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I think you know I was looking like a regular price ticket to LA if you were doing a weekend or long weekend in LA. It's around $60. So if you were spending, let's say four days, if you stayed parked for four days it wouldn't take a lot of overnight parking charges to really make you reconsider taking that trip so I just put it out there. I do think we need the analysis to think about it but I do have concerns I didn't know, are there opportunities and it may not be in this round as we're off timing but are there opportunities for us to have certain contract efficiencies if we're already having janitorial services with other city locations?
Are there efficiencies where maybe not this round but like in the future We're going out to bid for multiple city facilities at the same time and could the train sort of be included with other facilities? Yeah,
and you had an item earlier today that kind of touches on that. So the HVAC item I think that Mr. Forer had on consent is in that line. We don't necessarily want to have a bunch of different vendors or service providers for different things if we can avoid it one You do get economies of scale, too. Contract administration is a lot easier but I don't know if Mr. Floor had any more comments?
It's a mixture of both so for HVAC maintenance we're certainly just adding the train station. For janitorial we are going out for a It could be our existing provider, we're gonna ask them to compete. It could be others and the reason is and this was based on research as well and Mr. Kim you might wanna speak to this too but he managed facilities for 25 years. And so because we have two groups one coming in as a day porter coming in and doing cleaning or whatever and then we have the nighttime janitorial.
We don't want two vendors Because one says, well it took me longer to clean at night because your day guy is not doing a good job. And the day guy said, well I couldn't get to this and this because it was a mess when I came from the nighttime job. So that's a common dynamic whether it's true or not. The train station's also different enough that servicing the train station is not an office building.
It's, we're gonna have a lot of emergency calls. We're gonna be here within 30 minutes. We're gonna have bodily fluid cleanup. You know all kinds it's going to be hybrid between a park and a really active site. And so the what we're asking for from that vendor is different And so we're packaging that scope uniquely, and we may very well have one separate vendor for this site.
Our existing janitorial. It's also the capacity and the ability to provide really high quality day porter service. There is an expertise to being a day porter, and we want to make sure we're getting not just the nighttime cleaning correctly but we're getting everything we want because we're relying heavily on that person to be the eyes and ears.
Yes, I'd like to ask that. We want to find the right service provider that has a staffing to be flexible enough since this person there the day porter will be going out there daily multiple times a day to have the coverage needs if someone calls out sick so they can fill in those gaps and then also have enough work for that other that day porter to go to other jobs to fill in the time so that they're not just assigned strictly to the train station So we plan to solicit multiple bids just to find the right provider that fits well with the model that we're looking for.
That makes sense, thank you. I'm wondering if there's been consideration in my experience of being on the train certain days are of the week or like holiday weekends are a lot busier So, you know like a Friday and a Sunday or I don't know what the ridership data shows but I would expect that ridership is up on those days or like holiday weekends. Amtrak trains can become standing room only if you weren't aware.
So I don't know if in thinking about a service contract or for something like a day porter, if there may be some flexibility that might account for that depending on what the ridership data shows?
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Mayor Pro Tem Porter-Smith it's a good question. From a year one standpoint, we need to give the service providers a window to service. And then we'll you know, we may not catch everything in the first year I think but we have to be able to commit to something and that 12 hour windows seven days a week we think is a reasonable starting point and we will follow that through for the first year with the service provider if we get nine or 10 months into that and we say yeah, we need to make some adjustments it gives enough lead time Service providers can't pivot. They're not gonna be able to pivot every three weeks if a schedule changes, it's just they have the same hiring and business management challenges that we would so I think certainly on an annual basis we can adjust that as we go and we're gonna learn a lot in this first year so I think that would be my response.
That makes sense. I guess it's sort of my hunch or instinct that could be a factor that comes into play with that. with that service. I think ongoing lessons from stations that don't have an Amtrak representative seem like those will continue to be important to get feedback because that is a difference from Santa Barbara. In even terms of fallback options, I know some of the stations where the station area is closed, like a waiting area might be closed Tuesday and Wednesdays when ridership is lower. So I think there's also fallback flexibilities that we may have down the line as needed The other thing I do note, again I think this will be lessons for the future but I know that the 10-15 p.m. arrival from Southern California particularly on Sundays is a very popular time and it might be one of the highest ridership levels so In any case, again I don't have the data in front of me.
It's anecdotal just from my experience of taking the train but thinking about if I think it's something for us to consider down the road in terms of thinking about being open when we know we have some of those arrival times where there's large numbers of people. Those are my questions thank you.
Okay, I'm gonna jump in. Thank you for all the work that you've put into this and yes we're all very excited but we also realize it's gonna trial and error. We're gonna see what works and what doesn't work and I think we all have some really really positive good ideas. I just going to make a few comments first of all I thought the day Porter was somebody That was hired by the Amtrak, because they do certain porters at high volume stations that they provide. And they just talked about that not too long ago and what they do is help people with their luggage Get on and get off. So I'm guessing that, you know, ours won't qualify for that but certainly we'll put in a plug for it since I sit on their board. But yeah, I was surprised at the cost of that but I didn't realize what it involved so now it makes more sense.
It's clear to me.
Yeah, and I think one thing to keep in mind and just remember is it's kind of one of those we're only going up right because right now there is a platform that provides you know a location and the amenities are pretty meek. And on a hot day or rainy day, it's not very good. So I think this is leaps and bounds better, right? The parking, the lighting, all the other things. One of the things that I'm trying to keep in mind is like that thing already exists regardless of what the city did. Now that the city is doing this and improving the area, it will only go up.
Yeah, yeah. I learned to take the train when my youngest daughter was a child baby who did not want to be in her car seat ever and screamed the whole way we went anywhere so we said okay we're either gonna have to fly and that wasn't in our budget or we just don't travel well I started doing the train she loved the train so that's how we got used to it so I very much I love traveling by train.
What time, I'm questioning what time are we going to do like we did with the library? Our library turned it off at a certain time. You know, the reason that we started talking about this train depot and trying to figure out why UCSB were not Taking their students, shuttling them to use the Goleta train station. They were taking them to Santa Barbara and it came to our knowledge that it was because they were concerned with safety and they felt like it was isolated at night, it was dark, there's no one around so my concern has always been about Making sure that this station that we promised would be secure and safe for the public. So I'm thinking if the train gets in, because oftentimes trains are delayed so it gets in later.
And somebody's traveling by themselves and maybe doesn't have the ability to get Wi-Fi, would we not want to keep that on longer than 7 o'clock? I don't know what we did at the library.
Yeah, we can adjust the availability. Maybe we could see how that works. And I think some of the filters that we have at the library are intended to also protect against questionable usage. But yeah, I think a lot of that and Mr. Forrest talked about the automated and being able to adjust things remotely He can speak to it better, but I think that's a fairly easy thing to do in terms of turning it on and off at certain times or extending it.
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Madam Mayor, I think that'll be one of the things we need to look at. Yes, we will want to balance providing Wi-Fi access to people who need it versus what's the attraction to people coming in and parking up the entire parking lot so they can use Wi-fi you know at 11 or 12 p.m.. So I think let's see how it goes but we do have the ability to modulate those hours
Okay, that sounds great. So when I first... Charging for parking. You know, I had to laugh when I saw that because I think oh my God! Can you imagine? I'm gonna get so many phone calls. We all are. We don't charge in Goleta for parking but it makes total sense because that can be used as just a parking area. But I would like to make sure there's a consultant It's reasonable. I don't know how much they charge at the airport to leave your car there, a lot.
I would hate to see that and discourage people from staying overnight or weekend so I agree looking into that but it makes sense that we should look into charged parking, it does. Security again, talking about security. So will it be up to our law enforcement, our sheriff to decide when they go and look at it maybe in the evenings or how is that? How do we work that
out? Yeah so normally the way it goes is we can request from our lieutenant Chief Morris or the patrol sergeant on duty to request additional patrols. We do that on occasion when we get reports like certain parks or certain areas of the city have been vandalized, or they've had problems regularly. They'll step up enforcement or patrolling but they can only do it as they are available right? And so we would work closely with law enforcement on that if there is an actual emergency they will obviously respond But, you know, we can't have them say they're going to do extra patrols all over the city so they'll have to pick and choose where they do it. They've been very amenable in the past so I would expect that going forward. I
would think maybe police presence in the very beginning might be nice if people feel like there's a presence here.
We can certainly ask them to do that. I think they want to accommodate this, they wanna see this be a success. They don't wanna have an attractive nuisance so that benefits them as well but I do wanna be clear, I don't wanna set the expectation that we're gonna have a black and white vehicle out there most of the day because that's probably not gonna
happen. Okay, I got that. And let's see, food truck. I like the idea. I think that's thinking out of the box, you know? Until we have somebody that may feel that they would like to do a restaurant, I support that idea and I also support the idea of offering the community room to nonprofits. The more people we have around and generate that energy is going to be really important And then the other thing is entertainment. I know that in our policy, I mentioned this to Mr. Nisbet when we had our one-on-one, I thought we did something on our policy that said no entertainment, something about events maybe but I'm hoping that that wouldn't discourage us from having say a band, the DP Band or somebody come and welcome an event where
Yeah, I think that was aimed at non-city sponsored events. We don't necessarily want to have random people showing up with loud instruments and speakers but if it's something that the city is promoting, I think that's a different type of animal. Like the ribbon
cutting?
Yes, like the ribbon cutting. National Rail Week. And so there's also too a slight distinction right between advertisement and promotions, right? Advertising usually you charge for them. Promotions typically your willing to kind of get the word out for certain events or causes. So, you know I think we're gonna have to be careful on how we straddle those two but we do want to make sure that it's a vibrant place and that people actually want to go there because the saddest thing would be to have a 32 million dollar facility that just isn't getting used.
Okay thank you. I'm looking at my list I will tell you since I sit on Losan Amtrak board, the whole board is very excited. They want to make sure they're all invited when the ribbon cutting and a lot of them are living in Orange County and they would just take the train up so hopefully we'll work around that schedule but they're looking forward to it.
Some have been there already. We've been working with SB CAG specifically. They almost seem more focused on Grand opening ribbon cutting, then actually on our side we're just kind of like get the construction done. Get the construction done right? Like we need to be able to actually have a facility so that's why that mid-December time frame has been put out there as you might know our Senator Pro Tem President Pro Tem has a very busy schedule and we do want to make sure our state representatives are there that help you know
she helped us
secure a lot of funding yeah And then also all of the folks who live in the rail space and advocate and serve on board. So there's a lot of interest. SBCAG has been a great partner in helping to get the word out, making sure we have the right people on the invite list. We did a really good job with the groundbreaking so we expect the same for that.
Yeah, yeah that was great. The groundbreaking was really spectacular. I think that was it for me. Oh one more thing. Seating outside. My kids, when they were little, used to love to go to the airport and just sit and watch the planes. Now my youngest grandson who just turned four loves trains. I can see kids sitting there watching. His name is Thomas. He will definitely be there on the day of the ribbon cutting.
There are also adults that like trains very much.
Yeah, they like to just sit and watch, absolutely. Okay, that's it for me. Council Member Kariakou did you have a few more? Just
one thing I wanted to come back to. I heard a couple people mention about the transit related development and the idea of the train station being an economic development driver and that was something that might happen someday I just want to say it's already happening. We've already had one initiation of a general plan amendment to change an existing site, to allow for live work units and I know at least one commercial property on La Patera that has changed hands recently and they're looking forward to trying to figure out a way to make something work that can fit with the new paradigm out there. Kate Farms is located out there.
There's already been some things and I think there are more things coming. So the sooner we can do that plan, the better. Any
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other questions? Public. Yes. Hope they're hanging in there.
Thank you Madam Mayor. I have no speaker slips. Those of you on the Zoom webinar who wish to speak to this item please use the raised hand icon and I will call on you. I'm seeing none, Madam Mayor.
No one wants to talk to the... Okay, all right. So this is just a received presentation and no motion needed at this but you got a lot of information from us so.
We did and we got a lot of input on what you're excited about and what you'd like us to explore so we hear it and we'll take it under consideration.
Well thank you.
Thank you
both. Okay. I think that's going on to council comments.
I've got one.
Okay. Is that finance or is the town and gown? We have two, we have two committee.
After you get done with the committee reports. Okay,
all right. Who would like to do finance and auditing?
I can start on behalf of the finance. Okay. I'm sorry Town & Gown So we had our regular committee meeting. Unfortunately, the staff representatives from UC Santa Barbara did not attend and so I think staff was notified with maybe about 24 hours prior notice but we did receive the kind of high level preliminary presentation on the train station We discussed some updates about the housing happening at UCSB, planning for Halloween and other items. So my understanding is staff is scheduling another meeting in March?
So, and we'll see if UCSB staff shows up. So I was very disappointed and I reached out and expressed my disappointment to the UCSB staff. My sense, I can't say for sure because I haven't spoken to them directly but I think because there is some ongoing Right, City of Goleta doesn't have ongoing litigation but there is like one pending item of litigation. I suspect they have some trepidation for participating so.
And then we also had a finance committee meeting. We reviewed the financial report that was on the consent agenda today, lots of really good information. It is my understanding that Staff will be coming back. There's a lot of interesting questions now that we're further along with some of these big projects, just sort of from a financial perspective. Okay where are we with our bond proceeds and with these big projects?
That item will kind of come back for future discussion. So that's kind of related to the overall financial picture and yeah, we'll just kind of continue to monitor also sort of ongoing... Monitor things like how our changes to the short-term vacation rental ordinance may or may not have effects on revenues but we really just have to kinda wait and see how that plays out so
Thank you. Council Member Reyes-Martin? You do want to go next?
Are we, well are we doing council reports or are we doing
committee reports? Did you want to do committee report? No okay then Council Member Kerrioca. Oh thank you
yeah I've got a few let's see so on September 3rd I attended and participated in the LAFCO commission monthly meeting on September and we're looking forward to the city's application for a sphere of influence. Looking forward to that. We also received a presentation on the south grant and how that's going, which is a grant that the state provided locally to help LAFCO plan for balancing agriculture and housing.
Hopefully come up with better results than we've had in past planning efforts in our county. On the 4th, I attended Senator, Senate President Pro Tem Monique Limon's non-profit of the year celebration for the Botanic Garden at the Botanic Garden that was really special and also got some good news that's not quite public yet. We're waiting to find out about that good news but it'll be good news for the city hopefully In the near future.
On September 9th, I attended a communified board meeting which I chaired and then the mayor and I also met with representative of the Goleta Valley Community Center Board of Directors about their plans for winding down their nonprofit. On September 11th I attended the remembrance ceremony at the courthouse And then had a Communify annual board retreat. We did some strategic planning for things like Head Start going forward and then coming up we've got September 23rd through the 25th, we have the Cal Cities Conference and our city manager and I will be participating in a presentation on old town, downtowns and old towns and keeping that old town soul and we're doing that presentation with Santa Barbara City Council Member Megan Harmon and San Luis Obispo Mayor Erica Stewart.
We're going to talk about their downtowns in our downtown. And then last, this is National Rehabilitation Awareness Week and Cottage Rehab is the process of finalizing all they're moving to the Goleta Valley Cottage Hospital site so that's a it's a really exciting time for the Goleta Valley Cottage Hospital I'm on the board of Goleta Valley Cottage Hospital And the Cottage Foundation for Rehabilitation. So lots happening, thank you.
There's a lot of activity going on at Cottage Rehab. Yeah, I'm going there for physical therapy for my knee and my back and it's busy but it's going well.
And what incredible facility
right? It's beautiful. It's really really great. Great physical therapist. Everybody that works there is really great.
And the new pool.
Yeah yeah the pools too.
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Just one quick comment. I also was able to attend the 9-11 ceremony at the courthouse hosted by county firefighters and other first responders, and it was—I'm really glad I was able to be there. It was really moving and quite moving to hear the reflections from Sheriff Brown and our county fire chief and city fire chief, another first responders. I was really moved by their comments and just being in that space so it was really very touching and I'm glad I could be there.
Council Member, Mayor Pro Tem Smith.
Yes I attended on September 10th, I attended Raytheon's parade and memorial for 9-11 and as some people know Raytheion did lose four employees On 9-11, they were not local Goleta people but certainly part of their Raytheon family. I think there was something particularly about the 25th anniversary and the remarks. There were members of the general public who participated in the gathering.
Representatives from some of the businesses along Hollister participated. So I too felt quite moved and was honored to attend on behalf of the city.
Okay, thank you. Council Member, oh, I've just given you a new title. City Attorney Isaac Rosen. Nothing to report. Okay, well then... Oh! The Lemon Festival is coming up. That'll be coming up. Yeah and the Lemon Run that's right I'm signing those gifts of those certificates as we speak okay meeting adjourned