BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 January 6, 2026

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call0:04

Welcome to Lompoc City Council meeting January 6, 2026. Roll call please.

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Council Member Ball? Present. Council Member Starbuck? Present. Council Member Bridge? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Victor Vega? Here. Mayor James Mosby? Present.

This time we'll vote for oral communications. No? Can't get any takers on that. We've got three business items we're going to go into closed session here. We'll close oral communications, go into closed sessions. Conference of Legal Counsel Existing Litigation Government Code Section 54956.9, parentheses D, parentheses 1. We have a public employee performance evaluation for the city manager annual performance and a conference with labor negotiators agency designated representative Jeff Malawi City Attorney.

And we'll come back shortly after that. All right, welcome back to January 6th 2026 City Council meeting. Open session roll call please.

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Councilmember Ball? Present. Council Member Starbuck? Present. Council Member Bridge? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Victor Vega? Here. Mayor James Mosby?

Report on any action in closed session, City Attorney.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:57

Mayor and Council, the City Council met in closed session to discuss the three items on the closed session agenda. City Council gave direction to staff on the first two of those items. No reportable action was taken. And on item number three, the City Council did not discuss that item but continued it to a future meeting, the next meeting. That concludes the report.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:23

Okay, invocation by Pastor Brian Halterman. Come on down. Please stand and join me in the invocation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:35

Let us pause together for a moment of reflection. God of wisdom and grace known by many names and sought by hearts across many faith traditions we come before you tonight with gratitude for this community and with humility for the responsibility placed upon those who serve it As we begin the new year, we ask for vision beyond the present moment. Wisdom that reaches deeper than opinion and courage to lead with integrity, compassion and clarity.

We pray for the city council, for our mayor, for staff and all who carry the weight of public service. May decisions made in this room be guided not by fear or division but by a sincere desire for the common good. Decisions that bring stability where there is uncertainty, renewal where there has been weariness and hope where it may feel fragile. We lift up those who serve our community on the front lines. We pray for our police officers, our firefighters and our first responders.

Grant them protection, sound judgment and strength for the challenges they face each and every day. We pray for our teachers school staff and all who invest in the next generation may they be encouraged

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:53

supported and renewed in their calling We also tonight pray for the city employees, the volunteers, healthcare workers and all who quietly serve often unseen yet essential to the well-being of this community. And we also lift up all of our churches, our nonprofits and all of our service organizations who labor in different ways but often with the same heart to care for the vulnerable, to build bridges and to foster belonging. May we continue to work together across differences recognizing that unity does not require uniformity but mutual respect and shared purpose.

In the new year may Lompoc be a place where people feel safe Where families find stability, where neighbors look out for one another and where hope is not just spoken of but practice. Grant us wisdom for the decisions before us tonight, discernment for the paths ahead and grace for one another when the way forward is not always clear. We offer this prayer in a spirit of unity and gratitude trusting that the One who calls us to serve will also guide us as we do. Amen.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call5:09

Ready, begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:14

America

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call5:15

and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:16

to the Republic

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed5:17

for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call5:39

Okay. I have a presentation, Jeff and group. We finally found out who was going to get this. So I'd asked for a translator to come here and I didn't get one. This is in Spanish as well, so hopefully we can get this on the city website, this proclamation as well, to identify it. You guys can blast that out as well because I think it's very important with what's going on in our community throughout the country as well.

And this is a Proclamation for Human Trafficking Awareness Month 2026. It says, whereas human trafficking is a form of modern slavery that occurs in every state including California where victims are forced to work in various forms of labor exploitation including but limited to commercial sex tax and other services that are induced through force fraud or coercion. And whereas due to its isolated discrete nature many individuals across the globe are unaware that trafficking exists in their community And whereas it is estimated that more than 28 million people around the world are victims of human trafficking, including more than 261 in Santa Barbara County.

Whereas Santa Barbara County estimates there are over 150 women in the city of Lompoc experiencing homelessness due to fleeing domestic violence, with evidence suggesting that many of these individuals are survivors of trafficking and are at a minimum at the risk of being trafficked. And whereas human trafficking victims face cruelty that has no place in a civilized world is a crime that can take many forms and one that tears to our social fabric, debases our community The Santa Barbara County Human Trafficking Task Force is committed to enforcing common humanity and violates what we stand for as a country.

And whereas increase education about how to identify human trafficking along with increased knowledge in state resources and services for those affected by criminal exploitation can help decrease the number of future victims and whereas the center of county human trafficking task force. Is Whereas the Santa Barbara County Human Trafficking Task Force has worked diligently to bring awareness to the fact that human trafficking occurs closer to home than one might think, that California ranks number one in the country for reported human trafficking cases. And Santa Barbara County is home to hundreds of survivors of trafficking and exploitation. Whereas Human Traffic Awareness Month is an opportunity to recognize the critical role all Santa Barbara County residents play in preventing reporting and adjudicating These heinous crimes, now therefore I James Mosby do hereby recognize January 2026 as Human Trafficking Awareness Month in the City of Lompoc and call this observation to the attention of all of our citizens.

So you, who's going to speak? So it's, I did ask for this again. I'll say maybe I didn't make it on the microphone but this gets put on the city's website and then we also have the translation component there as well. I did try to get somebody here to do it, they didn't make it but please you guys introduce yourself and fill us

PresenterAdrienne AinsworthHuman Trafficking Task Force and with Kingdom Causes as well as SAFEProposedself-stated9:07

in. Hi my name is Adrienne Ainsworth. I'm a subject matter expert who does work with the Human Trafficking Task Force and with Kingdom Causes as well as SAFE. More notably I am a lifelong member, community member of the City of Lompoc as well as an overcomer of human trafficking in the City of Lompoc. So I just want to thank you guys for acknowledging the need, the cause and the continued effort and support in finding solutions.

CommentJeff SchaeferProposedself-stated9:43

Yeah, my name is Jeff Schaefer. I am working with Kingdom Causes have been part of the task force, the county's DA's Task Force since 2014. Appreciative to Mayor Mosby members City Council city staff for acknowledging this day we are very active in Lompoc. We are working with some of your partners like Micah Mission and we're working with the North County Rape Crisis and Child Protection Center as well as some of our Kind of Lompoc Valley Medical, other providers to work with survivors and do prevention work in schools and other places to make sure that Lompoc is as Pastor Brian mentioned a safe space for all people. So just want to let people know if they want to learn more about ways they can be involved they can go to safesbc.org And that's kind of our county wide effort or people can always contact me My email is jeff.schaefer at kingdomcauses.org Always available to talk about what's going on and help community members figure out ways they can assist as well locally So thank you very much for the recognition

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call11:09

City Manager Report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed11:12

Thank you, Mayor. I just want to do a real quick update on...I know the holidays are over but I just wanted to announce some of the people that spend a lot of time decorating their yards and businesses for the Holiday Lights and Decoration Contest. That was the Beautification Commission announced that December 16th. We had 34 residents that were nominated in seven businesses And there's an interactive PDF on the web page if you want to check it out. And thanks for the GIS for doing that.

I'll go over some of the winners, the residents. A classic Christmas was 1004 Rock Rose Lane. A shiny star was 621 North 10th Street. A coastal Christmas was 356 La Divera. An inflatable Christmas was 816 Canfield Avenue And a space age Christmas, it was 421 Hawthorne. So I want to thank those guys for doing the extra stuff and oh, I got some business ones too. The Lompoc Valley Florist, they got the best display and then the La Prisma had decorations and outdoors so thank you to those guys that did those decorations and made the holidays a little bit better for all of us.

All right, Parks and Rec. If you're looking for some stuff to do with the extra week of school being off, the Aquatic Center will be doing extended hours for swim, rec swim Monday through Friday from 1 to 3. They also have their spring activity guide for 2026 and have to check that out and start registering because a lot of those classes fill up. And the last one I wanted to say something about was the father-daughter dance. And I took my daughter to that.

It was kind of fun because I took her to dinner, too. And she didn't know what to say and she just kept telling me she loved me. I thought it was the cutest thing ever. It's a good opportunity to spend some time with your kids, your daughter, dads. I also want to announce that Lompoc Police will be doing the Lompoc Community Academy again. That'll be kicking off January 29th and it'll be Thursday. There'll be 10 Thursdays in a row. You can learn a lot about police activities including patrol records and traffic Participants must be 18 years old and live within or work within the city of Lompoc.

I wanted to thank the fire department, we had a dwelling, a single family dwelling that was on fire in the 200 block of West Chestnut and I Street. And I want to thank them for how quickly they knocked it out. Also wanted to thank them, they had to do some water rescues with a couple people over the weekend so thank you guys for keeping us safe. Also wanted to, oh no skip that one.

I thought he took that out. We have calendars in City Hall if you guys want to grab them. I wanted to say thank you to Ms. Andrews' class for their graphics arts and yearbook students for all the work they did putting that together and you can pick them up here. They're pretty good. The Dewey's, I wanted to announce that we submitted a direct appropriation from Homeland Security for $375,000 to Adam Schiff's office and he approved it. It also got approved by the Senate and so that would be a good opportunity during emergencies for having a generator at the Dewey Center which still has to go through the budget but I wanted to give everybody an update and I'll bring it back if we get it approved. So that's all I have for tonight.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call14:41

Any questions? I had a quick one. With the F-150 Lightnings being cancelled or discontinued, we'd approve that acquisition of that. Do we need to do something to... Are you guys still planning on trying to acquire those things or what's going on? Somebody?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed15:01

I can answer that. We are not going to be able to acquire those, we are currently working with trying to connect with CARB to discuss options and so our facilities department and conservation department are working to connect with the CARB regulations and They are aware that this has put a lot of agencies into a bind, so to

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call15:31

be continued. Maybe we look back at that lease option program that was out there because it didn't reflect us right? The lease option? So we're going to be looking at all the options absolutely. All right, so they answer the question we don't need to make the We have a consent calendar. I have a lot of items on consent calendar. So all items on the consent calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted after one motion if this form listed below there will be no separate discussion of these items unless good cause is shown prior to the council vote any items withdrawn with the consent calendar for separate discussion will be addressed immediately before the second oral communications So we have approval minutes of November 4th, 2025.

Approval ratification of expenditures. We have a payroll December 5th of $2,097,000. The voucher register December 1st through 5th, 2025 of $1.2 million and another voucher registered December 8th through 12th, 2025 for $1,800,000 We're approving a Transit Fair Promotion Reimbursement Agreement with Santa Maria County Association of Governments and authorize the City Manager to execute this agreement.

And number four is adoption of Resolution 679, Presidio 26 amending the Local Home Buyer Assistance Program Guidelines to limit the number of approved lenders to five Approval lender application evaluation ranking tool for selecting those five lenders and allocate $913,000 for the Lompoc affordable housing trust fund. Homebuyers assistance plan number 5 award of a professional services agreement amount of $731,706 to Minter Harnish for this City of Lompoc 2050 technical general plan update phase 2.

The adoption of the resolution 679625. Number six, award of project fiscal year 25 S2 2025 curb ramp upgrade project and number seven is approval revised amendment to purchase agreement for eminence minerals filtration to purchase diatomaceous earth in the amount of $540,000. Does any council member want to pull any of these?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed18:00

I have a few questions. I'm five, I'd like to pull five.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call18:03

Okay let me grab public comment. Should I get public comment or minor questions first? You should take public comment first. Public comment okay. Go ahead, public comment on consent calendar.

CommentRebecca StarrProposedself-stated18:14

Good evening thank you my name is Rebecca Starr. I grew up in Orkut. I have been living in northern Thailand. I am here for several months helping my mother who has just gone into hospice And I'd like to speak on the matter of the economic contributions, speaking of the budget and passing the payroll. The economic contributions of migrant workers to Santa Barbara County and our civic duty to safeguard all of our community members. So as we talk about millions of dollars tonight, as we thank our public servants and all the people who quietly serve I can't help but notice the economic foundation of our county and the labors of migrant workers who got up in the dark this morning, just got home are going to sleep as much as possible so they can be ready to get back out there tomorrow and harvest our food.

Prepare the meat that we enjoy that's called Santa Maria style barbecue Ready the daycare centers and the car washes, and all the services that we enjoy with money flowing through this county. With awareness of human trafficking and I appreciate the award that was given, I appreciate the acknowledgement that people are being trafficked in our county. I appreciate your service City Council and I would just ask when we're talking about so much money and what to do with it and how you guys get paid and how I get paid as an ethics professor And the fact that families throughout our county are suffering, are working their fingers to the bone to provide a standard of living for us while being trafficked themselves. Three weeks ago in Orkut, California, a pregnant woman working in the fields and her toddler were taken into custody and disappeared.

That sounds to me like trafficking. And I'm here to protest the fact that this is going on while we look at beautiful Christmas lights and we continue our comfortable standard of living, while an amazing hospice team shows up to help my mother in her final days or weeks of her life. Her next door neighbor speaking Mixteco. Begging for work, bringing us boxes of strawberries. Asking us to set up cameras on their homes so they can feel safe that they're not going to get abducted.

So I just bring this awareness when we talk about the budget and how well we all live and how much money there is to spend on each other and to pay each other and to honor our undocumented workers and to thank them tonight or remember them every time you have fruit or vegetables or berries or Santa Maria style barbecue

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call21:26

Remember, this is public comment on consent calendar. Please try to keep that to the items on consent. We will have oral communications right after this as well so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed21:36

Okay I actually had a question about the ice operation thing we have like the thing that was funded by Chairman Schiff regarding Yes, the inner city ice support bill. Thank you so much my words were failing me. So I have a question about that. Um, I thought that last year you guys passed a resolution that really limited how the city interacted with ice. So just that with like the inner city ice thing, that doesn't really mesh. So I just wanted some clarification on that because the diagram was very confusing and I can yield my time to you guys so you can explain.

They can't answer? Oh, I feel silly. Okay well, I guess I'll just leave it at that then since you guys can't answer me but yeah just very concerning we had some issues with ice you know just a couple of weekends ago. I am a U.S. citizen you know born in Santa Maria raised in Lompoc and I had ice outside of my house when they were here At very early in the morning, and it was a very uncomfortable experience to have to reach out and yell to my neighbors. So that's very concerning to hear. So I'll stop talking your ear off about it since you can't answer me.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call23:18

Thank you. Any items on consent calendar? Seven items on here. Any other council members have anything? I want to pull item number five and item number six, and those will be heard immediately for the second oral communications. All right looking for a motion. I pulled five and six.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed24:00

I'll make a motion we approve consent lists five and six. Five and six.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call24:07

That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed24:07

what I said, five and six.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call24:09

All right very good. I'll go ahead and second. Passes 5-0. Let's go ahead and go to oral communications Now you have three minutes Talk about items in the city

CommentJay FreemanProposedself-stated24:48

Give me a moment All right, I'm Jay Freeman. Here on January 6th, I am going to have a moment of silence for the vicious attack on our Capitol. Awesome! I got to talk fast because I only have three minutes. I'm here to talk about corruption in Lompoc both in the City Council and then the police force. About two days after my last appearance in this city council, I was called on the phone at 4am by one of the mayor's biggest constituents and personal friends on Facebook His name is Stets.

He was a local police force member, and they sent Officer Rayna out because I did the right thing and called the cops. Now upon arrival, Officer Rayna had a very friendly conversation with the person threatening my life, Stets, because again he was a cop. Now after that friendly conversation, Rayna refused to press charges so I went to the community to find out who was threatening my life.

And after about eight days, I found out who it was. Obviously, Stets, he's part of Golden Coast Investigations and I found out he was an ex-cop so I went back to the station and got a proper police officer to press charges. Now since then the DA has still not received the evidence for Stats yet and when I requested the criminal report it came back more redacted than the Epstein files It had more black lines than it had non-black lines.

So, that's where I sit in my personal life after trying to stand against the local populace of politicians. It's been a month of my life worrying about my family's safety from retaliation from the Lompoc Police Department and the mayor's people. This good old boy corruption in the local governments must be dealt with. Give me a moment. We have a mayor who power trips and calls the police as his local attack dogs to shut down random stalls of the civilians.

We have civil issues like poverty plaguing our city. In the last year, we've only dropped from 158 to 155 homeless in Lompoc. We are doing nothing to help our local poor people. I think Lompoc's answers lie in stop using scripty politicians address the corrupt police force, address the corrupt city council and address the high poverty rate. I've started writing to the state, to the State Secretary and the Governor about Lompoc now because I do not think our local area is going to be helped. Now in my last 18 seconds, I would like to reach out to the Democrat side of our community. I would like to join you guys. I would like to run against Jeff Bridges in District 2. And right here on this podium, I would like to challenge Jeff Bridges to a debate That's my time.

Thank you very much, Jay Freeman.

CommentSabrina RossProposedself-stated28:20

Good evening. My name is Sabrina Ross, I am the Associate Director with North County Rape Crisis and Child Protection Center. As part of the center staff, I have been a member of the Santa Barbara Human Trafficking Task Force since its inception in 2013. I'm speaking to you tonight because I want to give you a glimpse into how trafficking happens right here in Lompoc and to highlight the vital work our agency does with survivors of human trafficking.

So I'm going to tell you about Jane. Jane is not her real name. Jane was 16 when she ran away from home and met a woman here in Lompoc who seemed kind enough to offer her shelter. But this woman was not kind. She was a trafficker looking for a vulnerable victim, a young person to exploit. After offering Jane a place to stay she gave her alcohol and pills and while Jane was heavily under the influence the woman invited men over who then raped Jane while she was intoxicated and blacked out There were multiple men over multiple days.

Men from here in Lompoc who went to this woman's house and paid the trafficker money to have sex with an intoxicated, and sometimes unconscious minor. When the survivor was later interviewed by law enforcement she recalled blacking out and waking up with wet hair. The trafficker told Jane how she'd thrown Jane in the shower would take photos of her while she was passed out and send those photos to men in prison.

Thankfully Jane was able to get away and made a report to the Lompoc Police Department. When she did, the investigating detective requested an advocate from our agency to accompany the victim during her interview which she did. The advocate also provided Jane with information about her rights as a victim, explained the process of the legal system and provided her with resources for victim-focused support in trauma informed care.

She also provided support and resources to the survivor's parents. Jane is just one survivor of trafficking that the Rape Crisis Center has provided support and services to. I could stand here for hours and share dozens and dozens more stories, but I'm limited to three minutes. I am hoping that by sharing one survivor's story, I can help you understand how deeply important the work we do in this community is.

From prevention programs like Word on the Street with our teens in the high schools community education and outreach to local businesses who may encounter trafficking victims, to the direct services for survivors through advocacy and counseling. If trafficking is an issue that is important to you please remember we are here and we need the City Council and community support to keep doing this work I've placed brochures in the lobby for anyone interested in learning more about trafficking or how to support the center Thank you and have a good night

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed31:16

Hi guys. I would like to apologize for using the wrong public comment to ask my question. The holidays had me a little scrambled, so I just wanted to bring it up here again. I have a lot of concerns about the ice activity in Lompoc. As I had stated in my prior public comment, not this Sunday but the past Sunday prior, I woke up to banging at my door. I'm very well connected with the people at 805 UndocuFund and one of my friends in the organization who I don't want to name for her safety Knocked at my door at about 8.30, 9 a.m., to tell me that ICE was parked outside of you know on my block on my street directly across from my house. I have neighbors who you know I don't know the immigration status of all my neighbors. I think that'd be a little odd but you know we have a lot of Hispanic people on my block And it is not a good feeling to, you know before you've even had like breakfast or a cup of coffee.

To think about is this going to be the last time I see my neighbors? Is this going to be the last time my neighbor's kids see them? Are the people on my block going to welcome in the new year without their family. I am in strong, strong opposition to this intercity ICE thing. It just cannot happen here. You guys passed a resolution last year with pressure and support from Voces Sin Fronteras to limit just how much ICE can do in this city, and how our civil servants can help them.

And how much, you know ice can help them and it needs to be more than that in 2026. Because even though that resolution was passed we still had police officers because I went out in my pajamas for about three and a half four hours to let every single person I knew Lock your doors, do not answer the door. They do not have the right to come into your home. Letting people know their basic rights because they are being violated every day and it was not a good feeling to have a Lompoc police vehicle block traffic so that an ICE agent could drive away off probably to do one of the 10 kidnappings that happened that day in the city And as that ICE officer drove away, I asked him why aren't you protecting our community? And he said, I am.

I would like to ask the police department to remember that regardless of how people

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call34:39

Any of us, anybody else or communications?

PresenterShawna Stilwellquestion because tProposedself-stated34:58

Good evening, Mayor and Councilmembers. My name is Shawna Stilwell and I am here tonight as a resident, a mom, and someone who believes accountability is not optional, it's your job. I want to start with the question because that's how real change happens. What does integrity look like in this room right now? Because from the community's perspective trust is broken You currently have sitting Councilmember Bridge under indictment for serious white collar crimes, one of which carries a prison term so severe that Bridge will die in prison if convicted. Those are charges filed in court not rumors on social media. And yet this council continues as if that context doesn't matter. So my question is simple, how do you expect this community to believe you will protect them when you have not publicly reckoned with the corruption at your own table?

Now let's talk about protection because while this council avoids hard conversations like my ex avoided child support our neighbors are being kidnapped Since January 25, ICE has carried out repeated actions in Lompoc. Individuals kidnapped from parks, streets, near schools, outside courthouses, from job sites, from their cars, from their homes, transfers out of Lompoc prison facilities. You're laughing! You think this is funny Mosby?

Mass removals, early morning operations before sunrise. In late January multiple individuals were kidnapped over several days. In the spring and summer people were kidnapped from public spaces and residential intersections. Some without warrants, some despite having valid work accommodations. In the fall mass transfers occurred. This is not random, this is a pattern.

And on December 28th alone more than a dozen people were kidnapped in a single day including parents taken outside their home men while heading to work and even a father taken alongside with his minor child And I need to add one more incident to that record, mine. I was forcibly directed by ICE agents onto unmarked VSFB property using two vehicles and once there I was refused permission to leave. I was questioned under conditions that violated multiple of my constitutional rights During this encounter, I was forced to delete photos and videos documenting what was happening.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed38:48

Good evening. Wow, that was a bunch of propaganda from somebody I don't really recognize. Somebody who was sent here by our friends. It's my time to speak now. Somebody who was sent from our friends down in Santa Barbara, maybe the ones that are Washing money through illegitimate non-profits just to do political attacks against people. People who actually support the Mexican Mafia that operates within our community.

Yeah, the people who wash money for the cartel. They're all kind of connected. I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to my city council. I'm not talking to propaganda people who show up here once in a while because they want to try to bully my city council into signing documents to support their grift. I did hear what the woman was saying, and I'm out in the Lompoc community every day Patrolling my hometown, I have seen absolutely none of that.

I have heard zero reports about anybody being wrapped up because they only transfer people with warrants in other areas from the jails which we don't have a jail in Lompoc. We only have a holding facility and It's a holding facility where people aren't supposed to be held there for four days. Right, Kevin? They're supposed to be transferred to the Santa Barbara County Jail Facility in Santa Maria or Santa Barbara for holding.

Yeah. So we don't like propaganda in Lompoc. We like facts in Lompoc We like people who have an investment in our town to talk about things that are relevant. And our city council likes listening to facts, yeah. That aside, happy new year.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call41:23

Yes, please refrain from the other comments as well. Please

CommentLeanne WolliverProposedself-stated41:30

Hello my name is Leanne Wolliver I just wanted to say to The City of Lompoc and Especially toward the Police Department thank you for your service and all the things that you do Thank you for following the laws of the land. I do appreciate that And that's it. Thank you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call41:57

Anybody else? Oral communications.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed42:31

Hello. This is impromptu, I don't have anything written down for you guys or anything to say but I just wanted to based on the whole propaganda thing I just want to reiterate today is January 6th today a group of supremist white extremists attacked our capital and attacked the democracy that's not propaganda that was facts and what's happening now is in fact What seems like an ethnic cleansing. What is the police department going to do? Are you guys going to keep protecting the federal agents, just blocking them because you're standing by protecting the agents while the community is being attacked?

You guys are armed. Both agents are armed. How is it that a one-armed agent needs protection from the police? Why can't they protect themselves? We need clear policies is what I'm trying to get at. I don't have anything written down, I'm probably rambling now my time is running up but we need clear policies. I don't even live here anymore but I used to. You guys need to talk within the city council Lompoc, Santa Maria, San Luis Obispo all the counties get together establish policies that are gonna protect the citizens. The federal agents don't need any protection they have their own thing going on. The police department is supposed to protect community members.

I don't feel protected. If something happens right now, is my skin too brown? Is someone gonna help me or am I gonna get arrested? I worry when I take my kids to school. And you know what? The ICE agents will probably recognize me because I make sure that they know me, because I'm out there patrolling and making sure trying to do my part in trying to keep the community safe.

And if they take me then it's going to show that they're not even doing their things right. I'm an American citizen and even if I wasn't, what is it, my brown skin that is making you pull me over? I'm a law-abiding citizen My community, the community needs help from the police departments. We need a clear policy establishing that. You guys please you guys I mean I don't know you guys personally but I will I'm going to keep track on it and when voting time comes we're gonna remember that so I'm just anyways please clear policies Talk to Santa Maria, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara. Get a little meeting together and get the federal agents out of here and please come on protect the community guys.

Thank you I gotta go.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call45:11

Anybody else? Okay we will close oral communication bring it back to the council. We have appointments item number eight. Appointment of Council Member to City Council Ad Hoc Committee regarding Building Planning Permit Process. What do you want? Who wants to go on there? Council Member Starbuck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed45:37

I'll accept it, I'll sign up.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call45:40

All right, I'll give you a second on that. Why don't you motion your first motion. Push your motion button. There's a second on that. Let's go ahead and vote. Four yeses and one abstention. Council Member Ball, abstaining. All right. Number nine, council request. We're going to discuss Results of Lompoc Community Needs and Funding Survey, direction on the next steps for a potential 2026 ballot measure for a special transaction tax and use tax to increase funding for roads and right-of-way maintenance or alternative funding options.

Management Service Director, you're on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed46:42

Good evening Mayor and Councilmembers. Christie Donnelly, Management Services Director. Oh look I only have three minutes okay.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call46:57

Lucky you right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed47:04

So just a little bit of background on this item the November 18th council meeting staff was directed to proceed with a community survey to assess potential support for a potential revenue measure Staff determined that Flash Vote was the most efficient, was determined to most efficiently meet the timeline, cost and engagement objectives. In December throughout the month, Flash Vote worked with staff to establish a panel of survey respondents from the local area. There were a total of 419 total panel members at the time that the survey was launched That number can continue to grow. The panel is open to continue have new members as we do surveys down the line.

A survey was held December 17th through December 19th and there were 206 participants, so just about half of the panel members participated in the survey. And it was conducted at various methods through text and phone online options. Each participant when they signed up was able to list their preference of how they wanted to participate in the survey. The margin of error on the survey results was plus or minus 7%. It's a little bit high, it would have been lower had we had more participants.

However, it's where we landed and the 7% is just for information as we're looking at the numbers know that they could be swayed by about 7%. So the questions that were asked during the survey, there were five questions. The idea of the survey is to keep it short so that people would participate and to have people sign up who are interested in giving feedback to Lompoc or about the city but to not bias them beforehand with what the survey is going to be about.

And so this survey asks, which do you think is a strength of Lompoc? Which aspects are most important to you? If the city or county were to collect a tax who do you prefer decides on how to spend the funds? Which is your preference for a sales tax increase and none was an option there. And any other comments or suggestions? One of the things that we really liked about FlashVote was that all results are visible to all panel members and participants, so anyone can go on and look at what the results are. Our hope is to be transparent with the community and to really receive the feedback from the community on what their preference is.

When you are on the website there are multiple ways to filter the data. So, you can look at all of the results which is what is included in the staff report and then you can filter it out by for example local. And that's what I'm going to be showing you here on the results on screen. So when we looked at the results of the locals only, you can see here on the first question, question one, what do you think is a strength of Lompoc?

The ease of getting around town was a clear outlier. Well, it was the most positive. Close behind that was our local recreation and parks and our library services. So it shows us what we've been doing well and I think this is a testament to how much effort we have been putting in recently in the local recreation and parks and so it shows in the community feedback So when you look at question number two, which of the following aspects of Lompoc are most important to you?

When we're looking at the responses of locals only it was clear that the physical safety and security was one of the top reasons. Right behind that was a condition of streets and roads. So those are clearly our top two most important to the community items. And we can go through, we can look at more detail on this if we want to get further into the weeds. We can do that. This is just an overview.

This is a scatter plot and I actually think this gives us one of the best Insights to what is important and needed in the community right now that shows the high importance and low satisfaction here. And these two items, these two bullets when we get into the live version you'll see that this one here is public safety and this one here is streets and roads.

And it's showing that there is a high importance for these items, but right now there is low satisfaction or lower satisfaction. And then we got into a little bit more specific question about the sales tax if due to the recent loss of funding for city streets and roads. There is the potential, we're thinking about proposing a half percent local sales tax increase that would add approximately 3.8 million to the city budget, change the sales tax rate in Lompoc from 8.75 to 9.25 and what they had to choose one of the following 137 responses by locals so of those 200, 137 were local 30% said no sales tax increase. 42% were supportive of a special sales tax increase that would be limited to streets and roads, and 20% indicated support of a general service, a general tax that would include streets and roads maintenance but also the public safety.

There's some of the words that were used in the final question about additional input. I thought it was interesting when you're in the survey and whenever anybody wants to go in, they can look at these results. You could click on any of these words and it'll pull up the comments. And so you can actually read the comments of your fellow citizens and community.

So just a real quick survey summary. We're going to be bringing in the President-CEO of FlashVote to discuss if you have questions about the statistics and everything, we're bringing him in. I think that he had the council meeting on in the background there so survey summary 62% support some form of tax increase, either specific to streets and roads or general services versus 30% opposed to the increase. Again that's a plus or minus 7%.

The highest what I would call pain points in the community are streets and roads and physical safety and security. Both are almost equally concerning to the constituents. One of the things that we can do with Flash Vote is do additional surveys. It was not just a one and done, it is something, it is a service that we have over the course of the year that we can do additional surveys to provide more insight if we wanted to dig into a particular question more or if we have something that's completely not related to this measure, we could do a survey down the line if we're looking at budget or any number of items.

Survey results are available at this website. We will have this presentation up on, with the agenda packet afterwards. It was one of these items that was time sensitive and we did not have leeway because of the timing of the results and the holidays to be able to get this done before today. So decisions tonight for council, this really is the information for you all to discuss and decisions are really do you want to proceed or not?

If you do then we need to decide or you need to decide whether to go with a June 2nd 2026 or November 3rd 2026 initiative. If June is decided, then staff will return at our next meeting with proposed language. And if November is decided, then staff can conduct further surveys and council can discuss more in the coming months. You also need to decide if we want to proceed with the special tax that had, I believe it was 42% was the indicated support for that or for a general tax which was at 20%, or combined was the 62%. And so that would be a question of how that 62% is divided up on special tax and general tax.

If you go with a special tax, then that requires a four-fifths council vote for a ballot initiative whether it's June or November. If general, then it requires a unanimous council declaration of fiscal emergency if we go with a June initiative or a four-fifths council vote for ballot initiative for November. So at this point I'd like to welcome Kevin Lyons, who is the owner and president in a flash vote through Zoom. We're going to see if we can get him on.

And if you have questions, he's available to discuss the survey itself. And then once we're done discussing the survey with Mr. Lyons we can then have further discussion. Okay. Hi, Kevin.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call58:52

Councillor Ridge?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed58:54

I just have two quick questions. You started with... If you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed58:58

have questions, we're available to discuss

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed59:02

them. And then you filtered down to the local. Was the local including the village of Mace Oaks or were they considered non-local in Mission Hills?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed59:19

I don't know the answer to that question. Hello, can you hear me okay? Kevin, can you hear us through

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed59:23

your Zoom rather than through the council feed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed59:43

Okay, so if you could go ahead and turn off the council feed and then just listen in through the Zoom that would be helpful because there is a delay. The question that Mr. Bridge had asked is whether or not in the locals section if Mission Hills and Vandenberg Village were included in local. So Mr. Bridge, I don't know, I can find out the answer to that question

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:00:38

for you. Okay and the other question I had which you may want to delay and get back to me is, is the 7% error rate of a total population or the local population?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:00:51

That would be on just the survey overall on the 206 that participated.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:00:58

All right

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:00:58

thank you. Any other questions? Let me bring this up to public comment. Item number

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:01:11

nine, trying to

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:01:12

fix our streets in Lompoc. Seeing nobody rise we'll close public comment on item number nine. Bring it back to the council. Can you guys hear me?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:01:38

Turn him off, get him gone. Are

CommentLeanne WolliverProposedself-stated1:01:45

you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:01:47

guys good over there? So one of the reasons I made this motion and a council request to bring this forward, long time ago as I heard that the county back in I think February of last year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:02:07

Okay yeah I can't hear you guys but if you want to text me the questions that would be absolutely fine. Yeah okay. And first thanks for having me and for using flash votes. Thank you. I'm a co-founder of Flash Votes I wish I was the owner, but we do love helping cities with all kinds of issues. And this is a great one really fun to work with Emily and Chris.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:02:32

Thank you. So understanding that we had potential for a half to one cent tax, also questioning and understanding litigation was going with the ROW. I think our ROW got reduced by 1.5, 1.75. That was our street maintenance that we already had in the right-of-way maintenance it was being taxed on. It's about 1.8. Okay, 1 .8 so we're down 1. 8 or already what's our PCI?

There is. We're like $72 million outstanding for our PCI, right? To fix everything. Deferred maintenance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:03:15

Right. Using conventional methods, yes.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:03:18

And so watching this over the years, it just keeps getting higher and higher. The quality of our street's going down further and further. I actually put a poll out in type form to see what they had in that. It didn't cost $9,000 either. 300 people responded on that inequality of our streets. We had 52% said there's room for improvement, and 37% said they were awful. 10% were satisfied.

So knowing that we had to do something with street sidewalks and what's going on with the ROW disappearing, we needed to do something In talking with a lot of the people in the community, they didn't really like the general tax component because there was no control. One cut it into the general fund and it went generally that one cent tax before. A lot of that went in different directions so the original motion was about bringing a special tax back which would have to pass by the two-thirds vote right? Two thirds plus one Understanding that also putting a sunset on it, which that was another item that you had up there. But putting a sunset on the tax people would support that if you put a 15-year sunset and as Councilmember Ball said before what if we needed to do something else but as this other tax measure rolls off gives an opportunity for that one to come back as well.

Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:05:13

Yeah, I guess from my perspective, I don't. I mean, I've talked to some people too and I think there's a concern that we could spend $4 million on improving our streets and fixing potholes but unless there is a balanced approach that includes safety. We have an under-resourced fire department. We still don't have a ladder truck. We've got a lot of issues in our city.

Again, I think there should be a discussion on a more balanced approach. From this Council that if it's a general tax, then some future council will do X, Y and Z. But that's what the people elect people up here to do is make wise decisions. Again from the Mayor's poll I don't think that included a question about would you like to see a balanced approach or not? And it was very focused on streets.

I'll be honest with you, it's hard to pass a tax in general. It's definitely hard to pass a special tax that requires such a high threshold, 66 people to 66% support in the community and you need a lot of cheerleading so from my perspective, I'd be open to discussion about a general tax because I believe that gives council Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:06:44

The June or November ballot, I'm going to support putting a special tax. Key emphasis on special. And I think the June ballot would probably be an easier less confusing ballot. We usually have supervisor elections and governor and we don't go off into the full ballots so to speak. A special tax I think is important. I mean the competence of a government to spend tax money is very Questionable with many, but with a special tax it takes any questions out of what we can do with it.

And I'm big on sunsets. Everybody, we had a consultant say oh you never want to sunset. Well of course he's going to say that. He's working for the city, the staff. Once you're getting fed money, you never want to cut that off. They like this trough full. I think 15 years, when you're looking at $3.5 million going into a $77 million deficit rounding out and doing a bunch of other general.

Measure I will sunset very close to win this tax if it passes with sunset. Please remember measure I was put out as a public safety tax basically and it did follow those lines with covering the CalPERS retirement and it allowed us to staff public safety. This was big But it seems everybody's going, oh we didn't hire many police and we're still challenged. But we're able to increase the number of police and maintain our level of fire.

So yeah I just, I'm big on the special tax. I think it's needed with the right-of-way maintenance what the mayor was referring to ROW that's coming that's money that was coming out of our utilities now it isn't well It's money that we need for the streets. I will support it, but I'm going to be very selfish about what I will support.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:08:39

Anything else? Council Member Ridge.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:08:49

I just have a question or two maybe Dean or Jeff can answer. Right now the county is at 8.75 if I'm not mistaken including Lompoc. How high can it go?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:09:08

So 9.25 is the maximum, we're at 8.75. 0.5% is the most that we can do locally.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:09:17

Okay. Has anybody else seen these surveys coming up from the county asking if a tax would be supported? You have seen that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:09:30

I know those are out there. I haven't seen it myself.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:09:33

So if the county passes a half cent tax, then whether it's special or general we would be precluded from passing a tax? That's correct. Okay thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:09:48

Unless we get

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:49

there first right? Yeah, just to clarify. If the county passes the tax first then we would be precluded from...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:09:56

So if we pass it first then they're precluded?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:59

That's correct. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:10:04

Council Member Vega

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:10:04

and then I'll come back to you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:10:05

Council Member Hall. The cost for this ballot measure is that general fund money?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:10:12

Yes it is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:10:13

And what is the loss should this thing not prevail as far as general fund? Is it $100,000 or $150,000?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:10:19

It's about $60,000. $65,000? $60 for June and $42 for... These are estimates but...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:10:30

I got you. I'm just wanting to know what the loss is if it goes through and we still lose that money so the impact is something no one has asked about.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:10:48

Councillor Boehme.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:10:49

Does anyone from city staff remember what the results were of the last attempt at a special tax? It did not pass. It did not pass, and the reason it didn't pass is because again it's next to impossible to convince two-thirds of people to vote for something so specific. So I hear the argument about the county. I too agree that we should jump on the opportunity to make sure that we can keep our resources and revenue within the city as much as possible.

That said, it's much easier to get 50% plus one when you show that the revenue coming in can be decided in a transparent way by the City Council on how to use that revenue for the benefit of the city. Again I know there is a huge hole in streets, pun intended. Seventy-two, I've heard even higher numbers. Costs go up, inflation, it going to be expensive. But again, if we're driving on perfect streets and we have not maintained our sight on the future cost of public safety in all contexts. We're a growing city now. Got new houses coming in both within the city and right up against our border. There's going to be new responsibilities, additional responsibilities by our staff to keep our city safe in a multitude of ways.

So again, to hamstring us by only attempting to convince two-thirds of the people in our city to vote for a very specific tax only to see it most likely fail and then the county take our money. That's just...it makes no sense to me. So again, if there's an openness to a flexible general tax approach, again, if you've got a better argument, you can convince Council to say let's dedicate this to streets 100%.

Maybe that's the way to go.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:12:43

Anybody else? Okay, well I tend to agree with what Councilmember Starbucks says. I understand and I completely understand what you're saying, Councillor Boehme. I think one of the difficulties is that we kind of set a precedence with the last tax and there was a lot of things that we wanted to do or were looking at doing but there were so many things that weren't being done and money went other directions. But we're in a different situation here now likewise with ROW going away.

in the enterprise reimbursement and we're not even getting half the revenue we need to move forward with fixing our streets and sidewalks and alleyways. In reaching out to a lot of the public that has said they would support this, even some Non-tax people say they've been supported, if it specifically went to a direction and not just to the general trough. We did make a lot of headway in the last five years. The police department's budget has gone up from approximately $11 million to I think we're scratching at $17 million in the budget book?

So 11 to 17 in five years, that was a significant increase. And fire department has seen kind of percentage-wise the same or more. So there has been a lot of advancement in that area. Likewise we see the housing come through like we're seeing. There's a large property tax component that didn't come through to support that as well which is generally what happens.

So Council Member Ridge?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:14:33

I just need a little clarification again on the voting for the council. How many does it take for each of these two options the gentlemen are discussing?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:14:44

I'll take that one. If the Council wanted to put a special tax on the ballot, then either June or November it would require four out of five Council members to vote for that. If the Council wanted to put a general tax on the ballot, then for June it would take the Council to unanimously 5-0 approve a declaration of fiscal emergency To put a general tax on the June ballot.

To put a general tax on the November ballot, it would take four out of five council member votes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:15:22

Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:15:28

Council Member Vega your question that you had on the fiscal impact On page three or four down towards the bottom is reference for the November 39,000 and for June was 60,000 as an estimate. So it is a gamble at certain levels. Kind of my argument discussion before was yeah nobody's cheerleading fix the asphalt but I hear it every day about the potholes that are throughout town.

At one time, we had 15 people in the street crew and the street crews down to was it five plus two in pain? All right, seven people, six. So we're down significantly even in the crew. When we had 15 there was a lot more going towards it but it was like the 08-09 cuts, I believe, right? Anybody around from 08-09? I think that's when they cut the crew down from 15 way down to kind of the crew that they had now from the 07-08. So, I mean we're... They've been behind the eight ball and nobody's been playing catch up and that's what I'm hoping we can try to do here. And I know it's a gamble and it's something for us to sell. We put out there but I would, again with Council Member Starbucks, 15 years special tax.

Do it in June. What were some other variables you had in there? What did you have? So the 15-year sunset, the half cent tax, 15 year and special, correct? And do it in June. Council Member Bull.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:17:21

So again, I'm just trying to make sense of this here if I Guess my rhetorical question is if this fails and the county passes their tax What does the city of Lompoc get out of that? so from my perspective again If this fails in the county takes more of our hard-working folks money to do something with To me, that's almost like playing chicken. So again, wouldn't it be in the interest of the future of Lompoc to try to successfully pass a tax that has a chance at passing versus using the term gamble?

The future of our city is dependent upon not a steady but a growing source of revenue because our city is for... It spent some time but now we are again starting to grow. Costs are going up across the board and will continue to do so So again, we can sit here and go for the special. I guess gamble and if that fails, the county takes more of our money. Am I getting that right?

If they decide to move and pass a ballot measure before we do, the county will take that extra half cent. Is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:18:37

If they do it before us, yes, that's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:18:40

So if we fail and they pass something, they will take that half cent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:18:45

That's my understanding, yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:18:46

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:18:52

Anybody else? Council Member Ridge.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:19:02

I'm going to be honest. I don't have a lot of concern whether it's a general or special. I do believe it'll be easier for me to convince people to vote for something they know that they're going to get, other than We're here from the government, we need more money. So that pushes me a little bit towards the special. I certainly don't want the county spending any more of the money that Lompoc needs so I would support moving forward on this and I guess I would lean a little bit towards the special tax for selfish If the city of Lompoc didn't support the county and it supported countywide but the city itself said no, they wouldn't get

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:20:19

The county put a general tax measure on in June, and if people said no in the City of Lompoc city limits would be imposed if the county wide passed it but the city said no.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:20:30

It would still be imposed within Lompoc because it's passed in the county, countywide.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:20:44

I have not heard what the situation is, at least I don't recognize I've heard. What if both get on the ballot at the same time and both pass?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:20:57

Yeah that's kind of a big question. If there are a county measure and a city measure on the ballot at the same time and they both pass then the law does not say what happens. What everyone thinks a court would decide is that the measure that got the most votes within the city of Lompoc is the one that would take effect within the city of Lompoc. But, that's never been decided and the state agency, California Department of Tax and Finance Agency, that administers all the sales taxes in the state has said, and in practice they've done. If that happens they will not implement either tax in Lompoc until they get clarification from a court or clarification from the Attorney General or the legislature of the state passes a law to clarify what should happen.

And this actually happened in Sonoma County in the November 2024 election. This exact situation happened where City of Sebastopol passed a tax at the same election that the County of Sonoma passed a tax. The state said we're not implementing either of them, and the county and the city lobbied the state legislature to increase their counties cap so that both could go into effect, and that's how that one got resolved.

So there's a lot of different options that could happen if we get to that point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:22:33

Is there any indication whether a special tax or general tax has any precedence in that condition?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:22:45

No, there's not.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:22:55

I guess I would just mention based on Noise level, I have not heard the county talking about a June election. Has anyone else heard?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:10

Well, I got an email from the CEO and they are planning on it. They didn't say which one, they just said they're planning on doing one.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:23:18

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:23:21

Council Member Bull. I just and I mean to that point, I know the county is having money issues. I think we all know that so one of those methods of addressing money issues is raising revenue. So of course they're going to be talking about that sooner than later. And again, I just would like to point out the mayor was involved in it I was involved in it, but I wasn't on council because I was pushing for the general tax measure I.

And council at that time used a, that general tax one cent sales tax put some stipulations on it and it's hard to argue that has not benefited our city or that has just been wasted. Council was able to put a directive on how that money would be used and when it sunset so again we have We have two situations. We have a special tax that was put up for public safety, it didn't pass. We have a general tax Measure I that did pass that's benefited our city.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:15

Councilman Starbuck? The special tax that didn't pass was for the hotels. It was transit, the TOT tax.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:24:25

Same threshold.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:24:32

Councilman Starbuck, do you want to make your motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:37

All right. Well I can go ahead and I'm going to move that we try and get the June ballot. I'll do a special tax on this. This would be streets roads and sidewalks. 15-year sunset which at 3.8, 15 years will still leave us short. A little bit of money on that but then again we have money that we're currently using Measure A so I think 15 will be plenty to do this And like I say, special tax sunset in 15 years and put it on the June ballot.

That would be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:25:11

my motion.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:25:11

Question of City Attorney?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:25:14

That's a perfectly fine motion. Did we also say .5% is the

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:25:19

rate?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:25:20

Make sure that's included. Oh, I can say the max then. The max, okay. And then if this motion does pass, then at the next meeting which is January 20th I have to bring back the actual tax measure that will be put on the ballot and prepare that and draft that. Part of that is the specifically defined things that this tax money can be spent on. So we're saying in the motion roadway maintenance and sidewalk maintenance and drainage I think is what you said.

I have to get a little bit more defined when I draft the ordinance, and you'll all get to see that at the next meeting. And you can pick it apart and make revisions if you want to at the next meeting. But just to help me get a little bit further along, I have some clarifying questions about what you would like the money to be able to be spent on or not. So I know roadway pavement work is definitely included, and then sidewalks and roadway concrete work Storm drains and roadway drainage work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:26:32

It would make sense, it's going to have to be done when the road is done. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:26:38

We've been talking about roadway maintenance and I want to clarify whether construction of new roads or improvements to new roads like This is kind of a crazy example, but like a new roundabout. We're going to construct a new improvement. Are we talking about that? Or are we talking about just maintenance of existing?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:26:57

I would go with maintenance on it. This is for Mr. Dierling. He's the one that runs a huge PCI program over there. I'm going to assume that we would hand off if this was to pass. Here you go, Mr. Dierling. What's the worst road and start from there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:27:10

Okay so I'm hearing maintenance of existing. Just a couple more.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:27:17

Is there a way we can do it that limits the admin and engineering, so it's just going towards the?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:27:23

So that was the next one. Because there is some personnel cost associated with doing roadway maintenance. So did we want to include the personnel engineering costs of doing roadway maintenance or just the actual physical work itself? I can also bring back draft language that you can evaluate at the next meeting if you want to postpone that decision.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:27:52

That's a hard one, obviously you're going to need somebody but are you going to do it with 10% and then a huge contingency after that and we start paying a huge amount of staff instead of fixing streets? You know, where does that end when you say staff?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:28:07

I would think that that would be part of the match of the Measure A money or the other one that could come together

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:11

with it. Probably just use, like I said, Measure A and whatever for that. Just use this strictly what we're talking about doing, fixing streets, sidewalks and drainages.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:28:25

I'd give you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:28:26

a... I have a question. Just out of process, I rarely get the chance to even consider a substitute motion but what's the process for a substitute motion? Would he make a motion and then they vote on it if it passes, I have to wait to make a substitute motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:28:40

As soon as we get done stating Council Member Starbucks' motion and see if it gets a second then you could jump in with a substitute motion if you wanted to. And we would vote on the substitute motion first.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:28:54

If you've got a second with your substitute.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:28:55

Right, very last one is and this is a little bit creative so there are grants out there that are available for roadway maintenance work and the cost for that if we wanted to use some of this tax revenue to apply for the grants to get more of that kind of money could we use the money for that as well?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:29:20

We would already have Measure A money and other, we could use it as matching funds.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:29:27

Okay. I know with SB CAG, Measure A money is allowed then to get upwards of a billion dollars for the road down there with SB money of the whole project being upwards so it has been able to be leveraged because the county has Measure A. Measure A was an excellent leveraging tool. So I think we have plenty of other money that we could use with the grant and we can understand. We had it as a leveraging tool that wouldn't compromise us in that aspect because it has worked, but we're using it. I think the cell needs to be kind of piggybacking on his motion a little bit. The cell needs to be that we're putting this For asphalt, sidewalks, alleyways, storm drains.

Not the city

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:30:14

hall.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:30:15

And I think that's the big...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:30:16

But matching funds would be available? Okay. Got it. Those are the clarifying questions I had tonight.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:28

That would be my motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:30:32

Council Member Bull? No, I'm just having my light on so that I can do a substitute motion once it's seconded.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:30:38

He has to get his second, so let me give him his second. Thank you. Didn't get a second. To the dieter lack of a second to bring back customer Starbucks. First with council member Bridges

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:31:34

I just want to ensure I understand. What we're voting on is to have you bring back the actual motion that we would then officially vote on?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:31:42

That's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:31:43

Okay.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:31:48

All right, let's go ahead and vote. And that fails. Anybody else got any other ideas?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:32:02

Actually that passes, so.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:32:04

Oh to bring it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:32:04

back? It passes to just bring it back. The actual thing when we need four out of five is when we are voting to adopt the measure and put it on the ballot. So this one actually passes.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:32:15

Let me go ahead and that's with Council Member Ball and Council Member Vega voting no. Is there something that a question that would bring this...Council Member Ball?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:32:27

Again, I just think it's numbers. You already know my position on this. You need everyone at this council cheerleading for the future of our city and to attract, hopefully convince people to vote for something. 66% is an incredibly high threshold. Use the term gamble. There's a high likelihood of this failing period. So again, I would just say We're not keeping all options open. If you want to get my attention, then let's go with the general tax that has a high probability of passing and will include probably everyone at this council cheerleading about what we can do. And again, we as a council, I'm not the majority obviously, this council could say let's be all in on streets, let's go, go, go!

And then if something changes so be it but that's my position.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:33:20

Councilor Vega, did you have any questions? Anything you wanted to add with that? No. Just a no, okay. All right, very good so... Any more information needed? Clarification?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:33:34

Nope, I'm good thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:33:40

Thank you guys for connecting that and putting it together. Written communications. We have item 5 and 6 to come back up. Item 5 is adding on to the professional service agreement, $731,000 for general plan update phase 2.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:34:24

Good evening. Did you have specific questions? We do have a small PowerPoint if you would like us to do a small presentation. I

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:34:33

mean, there's several things and we definitely couldn't pass it on consent because as being on consent, we couldn't have done how we were going to fund it because that was something in there so that item in itself needed to be pulled off to decide how we were going to fund this. Correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:34:49

There was that.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:34:53

My primary questions that I had is, are we required with the optional elements? We have three required elements and there are four optional elements. And I know it's hard to drill down exactly what these four optional elements cost but so why are we listing these four optional elements?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:35:20

Because they're currently a part of our general plan

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:35:24

All right. Do you have any idea what it might cost if we got rid of the four elements? I mean, I know noticing and all that still has to go into play in a number of meetings but do you have any idea of the $731,000 how much we might save by eliminating these four elements?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:35:42

I don't know specifically but I think it would save something.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:35:53

Yes, we had something somewhere? Did you have something Lori? Do you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:35:58

have

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:35:58

any other

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:35:59

comment or... So the current elements are in that chart are the ones that currently are adopted elements along with the four optional elements which have been adopted over the last 15 years independently or individually. To eliminate those as part of this process or merge some of the policies into other elements, it would be the same cost. We're looking at this holistically and so by saying we're going to just vote out one of the elements you still need to go through the hearing process, the environmental review and all of the other actions.

The effort that we're looking at in those optional elements is listening to what the City Council has said over the last year with the ad hoc committee and some of the other actions that have been taken previously with the economic development element, simplifying the general plan and condensing it or coalescing it so that it's a workable document. And again, the four elements can be The

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:37:35

This becomes a guiding document and as we progress on, let's just say the public facilities element. Sometimes people what they see is a public facility element in the expansion, the hopes and dreams that somebody puts forward with then can become on I want to thank you all for joining us today. We have a lot of great ideas and great hopes but when you start tagging things on that get cost prohibitive That's my concern with having these other, granted there are components that mesh but you don't have a full element.

They become awe-inspiring so to say.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:38:46

And I think if you could go to another, there's two more slides. The focus of the general plan is going to be incorporating the ad hoc committee changes that have been discussed throughout this year, anticipating the RHNA numbers which will be coming out in 2031. In field properties and looking at what the opportunities are for encouraging development on those infill properties. Obviously, the sphere of influence pre zoning and annexations that's a high priority and also updating the environmental impact report so that it can be used over the course of the next 10-15 years.

And I'm sorry I didn't have the other bullet Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:39:47

We had two houses built last year. It failed for our sphere of influence line, we weren't even getting our ducks in a row so I'm concerned when we anticipate the future that we're going to duplicate what we did in the past and hope we definitely aren't. That's why you're there right? Helping you guys work as a good team up there so all right Council Member Bridge

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:40:12

Obviously I'm a big fan of this effort. I've been pushing it for awhile, but back in May-June timeframe we decided to hold off on the ad hoc committee and we looked at the full blown general plan and I thought what we agreed to was technical update Which met the requirement, and the numbers we were given at that time were $650,000. So I think this one is over 700,000 So

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:41:16

Previously if you'll recall we had to come back with amendments several times to the mintage harness contract and so the contract is for the $640,000 but we included the buffer in this so that we could just expedite the process rather than The other thing that we're proposing in this process is to do the quarterly reports to the City Council. If you can go to another slide, we did include the Gantt chart that the city council had asked for.

This is the Gantt chart that shows how the project is going to move through all of the different tasks for the next two plus years. And then, the next chart is the Gantt chart that shows the merger of the update to the element in that first target and then we talked a little bit last time about the Salk grant, the study that the LAFCO's going to be doing So you can see that these projects are kind of following the same track.

And then we just got word that the county is going to start working on the environmental impact report for Badger Meadows, so that document is going to be tracking almost along the same timeline as these. We're being very strategic and actually very timely to move this along so that we have the information that we can use as these other things are happening.

And we have the City of Lompoc's position at the same caliber as these other documents.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:43:06

Okay, thank you. Circulation element isn't that still tied up with the Planning Commission?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:43:17

Yes, yes it is.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:43:18

Because you have it documented here that it's approved by the city in 2025? Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:43:22

that was an error. It's still with Planning Commission.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:43:27

I missed something there somewhere. All right any other questions? Nope all right Bill then I'll go ahead and I'll make a motion that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:43:54

we approve item 5 for staff recommendation as previously in the consent calendar.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:44:05

That includes all the optional elements?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:44:08

I think that what I heard said is that they're going to cost either way. So, I think we'll make as we go through the schedule will determine which elements are going to kill and which ones were not. That was my understanding.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:44:26

So the other thing is on the pay schedule did you decide on that? Because you have an option on the fiscal impact

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:44:36

I did not decide on that so we probably need to discuss that a little bit then.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:44:50

There is a way of borrowing from the insurance fund, but I think this is a general fund expense. And I think as development comes through and housing comes through it'll cover it. But I think we should keep it simple. You know, I know you did give us two options, but I think option number two is the most logical to pay out of it not just get it done. It's a general fund expense and it does get reimbursed correct?

Each

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:45:17

year as the fees come in.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:45:20

Right. So I think option two is that, so with your motion... Is there logic of combining? Is there any money savings by combining these? You don't think so at all? But they're not required then why do we have them? Lori can you answer me that? Why do we have them? I know if they were there in the past but

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:45:46

These were decisions that were made by previous city councils. And so what we're looking at is trying to eliminate the optional elements and, where appropriate, merge any of the policies or goals into either the land use element, the conservation open space element, or some of the other ones. So our goal is to simplify the general plan and remove elements We know for sure aren't supported by the City Council at this time.

We know the economic development element and the urban design element, those are the two that are the highest priority. The other ones we will work towards eliminating also.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:46:30

You retracted your motion. Can I try a motion? Go for it. Okay, because you would want to know the answer to these two items anyways so I'd make the motion that we combine the economic development and urban design element to consolidate them into that. I don't see a reason why we need the public facilities element or the Parks and Recreation element in there.

I don't see those in there because we already come back with plans on that continuously, and what we've... In the past it's gone anyways. We had it there and we never used it so you got too far out and antiquated. So likewise, along with that motion is we use payment option number two? Okay. You guys got option number two which is general fund funded? Not through the insurance fund, correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:47:32

So both would be option one and option two. In the end, the general fund is paying it through the general plan maintenance fees. Option one allows for the insurance fund to be the one to pay it up front and then have the general fund pay back the insurance fund. Option two is that the general fund would pay it, and then the general plan maintenance fees would be reimbursing the general fund.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:48:01

So option one, somebody's going to be paying $95,000 to $490,000 in interest.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:48:08

Either way it's going to be that money is going to be lost either in not receiving interest on that money because we paid it out of the general fund or paying it to the insurance fund. That

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:48:22

way we don't have to have somebody go and calculate every quarter if we just do with option two. So, you know, that's my motion is to do that with Option 2 for the payment. And...do we need anything else?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:48:37

Could I have a clarification on it? Did you leave Economic Development in?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:48:41

Yeah, we're combining those two as it says right here on the additional note based on prior Council discussion this element can be consolidated into land use element so we're going to put these two as the staff recommendation is, consolidate them. Economic Development and Urban We eliminate the other two, public facility and parks and recreation element. And we use option two for the payment schedule.

Is there anything

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:49:08

else? Well I'm a little confused. Laurie could you answer how you're going to absorb economic development into the land use element?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:49:21

The economic development element has a number of policies that talk about how to make more efficient use of permitting, processing, encouraging development. Those things can be rolled into a set of policies within the land-use element. And so those are the things that we will be looking at as we move through this process is where best to put some of those guiding principles, goals, policies, action items into the land use elements which is probably the best place for those kind of policies to be.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:49:58

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:50:00

Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:50:02

Anybody else? That would be my motion, looking for a second. Yes, Council Member Bull?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:50:08

I just have a question. So I know there's a lot... Talking about economic development, I know there's a lot of things in there that aren't necessarily directly related to land use or parts that aren't related to land use kind of going away, or how does that work? And I'm sorry if that's a silly question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:50:26

Sure. You know, one of the required elements is conservation and open space. And what this city did at one point was separated out Active Park and Recreation as a separate element. In many jurisdictions, parks and recreation are part of the conservation and open space element so we see an opportunity to simplify and merge those two documents together where policies are appropriate for both natural lands or along the riverbed policies along with active recreation

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:51:07

Trying to get more efficient.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:51:11

Just thinking out loud, it seems like there's a lot of purpose behind the ideas of economic development in a very multifaceted way for the city. My only fear is that we fold it into something, it becomes diluted in terms of its importance or the reasons that it should maybe be separate from only being part of land use meaning the way we think about the future tourism or lots of different things that I thought were in the economic development portion but I could be confused so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:51:39

And remember that there are the state-mandated elements, and these were optional. And so there are ways that we can move those optional goals and policies into the required elements so that they won't necessarily go away. They'll just be restructured, and the documents will be simpler.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:52:04

It wouldn't have as much redundancy. There's a lot of redundancy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:52:07

I appreciate that, but either way it's going to cost us the same. Is that what I understood? To fold them in, is that already included or whether we keep them separate or bake them together, are we spending the same amount

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:52:20

of money? We're going to be looking at what is the best Elements to bring forward to the City Council for the public review, for environmental analysis. And if it's deemed through this process that we want to keep a separate economic development element or a separate park element as optional That's what will come forward through this process right now What we're hearing from the city council is simplify the general plan And look at opportunities for merging or consolidating or covering those elements in the mandated elements.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:53:06

Any other clarification before I call for the vote? All right, moved and seconded let's go ahead and vote. The Brought to you guys' attention a large complaint that I had on an area and was told it would be in the plan. And I think you guys thought it was going to, and I talked to you yesterday Mr. Dierling, you thought it was going to be in the plan and I talked to the city manager he thought it was in the plan so my question is why is it not in the plan?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:53:58

Yeah, that was an oversight on our part. We had 200-some project locations and we didn't confirm that one was in the document but we can complete it within the project using the contingency funds. So it is in the plan? Well, we can complete it with the project but it is not in the contract documents that are associated with the award tonight.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:54:21

All right. So it will be completed you're telling me?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:54:25

Yeah, we'll do

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:54:26

it. Okay. All right. I was just... All right, Council Member Starbuck. What are we talking about? So the church on 201 South H Street, corner of Cypress and H, there was significant sidewalk damage on there. It was brought to my attention by a number of people All you had to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:54:51

do was make a line across that street and you would have got it. Right, I know. It's just a pen mistake. I can see it right

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:54:56

here. So anyhow, that was my question as to that one so to try to drill down to see what was going on. Anybody else have any other questions? Seeing none other than I will go ahead and make the motion to approve this with the suggested amendment, so to say on the curb ramp upgrade project. All right? There it is. Seconded by Council Member Vega. Let's go ahead and vote.

Five zero. All right. Let's see, where are we now? That brings us back to the last oral communications for two minutes. Two minutes. Seeing nobody rise, we will close the final oral communications. We'll bring it out to council comments and meeting reports. Council Member Ball.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:10

So I just, and correct me if this is inappropriate. Am I allowed to ask a question for clarity? There's a couple things mentioned tonight in some comments that I feel like the city might want to clarify. You

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call1:56:24

can make some, yeah you could ask some quick questions. Yeah, sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:29

Being very clear and I've got a couple of different questions but it's been suggested that some sort of ICE facility is being stood up for something happening at the DeWeese Center. Can you be very very specific about what the grant is and what you're talking about the DeWeese Center? Because it's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:56:44

not... The direct appropriation grant?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:47

Well I've heard a couple people talk about transfer center and different things. From my understanding that's an emergency operations center which we already have at the police station. It's just now being able to be at the Dewey Center? Maybe you can clarify, just so there's not confusion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:57:01

The direct appropriations from Homeland Security we got from SHIFT's office are approved. It hasn't been approved through the whole Congress and the President is a backup generator. So if we lost electricity at the Dewey Center, we'd be able to stand it up and have an EOC emergency or even if it was to have a place together of emergency happen, we would have electricity for people to go. That's all

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:57:24

So just to clarify, this has been supported by California Senator Schiff. Yeah. Right? So again, this is not just because it's from Department of Homeland Security we need to be very clear. This is not anything to do with supporting ICE or doing some sort of center or anything

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:57:40

like that. No nothing to do with that at all. Okay so I just want... It's just during an emergency Homeland Security sometimes has stuff to prepare cities for emergencies

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:57:49

So I definitely share a lot of the concerns about ice in our community, and I'll talk a little bit about that in a second. But I feel like it's very important for our community to have clarity so again rumors can get started, things get passed around and please let's be fair to the city this is something very specific. In a worst case scenario something bad happens in our community it allows us to have our emergency operations center Successfully stood up at the DeWeese Center.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:58:17

Another example is we got money from direct appropriations for the CAD RMS, the computer-aided dispatch for police force and enforcement. That's another way we got money. Nothing to do with ICE.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:58:30

Thank you for that. I appreciate the clarity. Second question if I may. It's been suggested that the Police Department is assisting ICE I don't think that's something that the council, we may not have control over the feds in a multitude of ways but this council has put its neck out a little bit to support our immigrant community. I think we could do more but I would love to hear from the police chief to clarify on...

I've said

CommentJay FreemanProposedself-stated1:58:57

it many times in this room, we are not assisting ICE in any immigration action whatsoever.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:59:04

Thank you for that. Again, I think it's important to maintain that and again the community is watching and listening and I hope that that is clear to the community as well. I don't want to make a lot of noise about this but my council request is if Council is willing to...again I'm not asking for any numbers I would love for a council element to come back. A lot of politics going on there, but they voted unanimously to spend some of their monies to support the immigrant communities.

Everything from legal support to getting the message out about rights, etc., and several cities up and down the Central Coast have done similar. Now it's not a lot. It's not something that everyone can do. Carpentaria came up with $10,000 to support immigrants. And again, why would we even talk about this? You know over the holidays we had you know multiple people kidnapped from our community. Now I know there's politics and they disagree but at the human level a lot of these folks who were on their way to work with no criminal record with no warrant and because of the color of their skin They were taken. Now, we know that in our community almost a majority probably a majority of folks in our community don't look like me so I would just love to see if there's council support and again I'm not trying to be political for us to see if there is some way that we might make a gesture or an investment Thank you very much.

So regardless of politics or the color of our skin, we have a community that is dealing with a lot of fear and trauma from this. And I'd love to see if there's some sort of council willingness to at least consider some options for investing in some sort of group that might help our community in a time of need. Again these are folks that not so many years ago we considered essential Everyone considered them essential. We labeled them essential, and now we've removed that label and basically suggested that in some ways they're unessential. These are still families, and a lot of these folks again are not criminals other than not having legal status here in the United States. So that would be my request. I hope there will be council support.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:02:06

That was pretty broad. I'm not sure what that was, but if you're asking for city staff to investigate ways to support our immigrants. Sure,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:02:17

I mean there's a you know the county did something very specific and who they Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:03:05

I will talk with the city manager and see if we can come up with something. You know we are limited on what we are doing. Can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:03:19

I be more specific?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:03:22

Let me see, let me try to see because you're asking something that's not in our playground and I help the immigrant community. I help everybody out there and I don't in many aspects in many ways but let me see what You can be more specific, go ahead. Well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:03:38

I mean the city of Carpinteria came up with $10,000 that went specifically towards a couple of groups that invest in immigrant resources so again that was in their purview. The county voted unanimously. We

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:03:48

do have that already with the... What's it? We just had the CDBG grant funding we have 125,000 bucks on that one

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:00

and they could've

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:01

signed up and got into that Right? Didn't I just, did the window close and you know. Again, I'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:08

be happy to.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:09

Mario when did that window close? I mean that's our human service commission pushes that through there's 125,000. There's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:18

human services at the county level in every other city and still separately those places those entities stood up and made a gesture in an investment so again. They

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:27

collect money for that I understand I'm trying to figure out where We have the avenue to do it. I'm turning around on my brain.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:33

So there's no willingness for council to hear from staff about what other cities have done to invest in our immigrant community? We're just sad that they didn't

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:41

apply. Let's bring this back next time. I don't want to discuss too deeply on that. Yeah, you pointed a good point but let me ask some questions. All right. Next council comment is Council Member Starbuck.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:04:55

No reports.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:04:56

Council Member Vega. Council Member

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:05:03

Bridge. On the upcoming agenda items, I know I seem to harp on that a lot but the code review, the municipal code was scheduled for January 20 But it didn't get moved up into the January 20 schedule, so I'm assuming it needs a new date. And if we could maybe at the next meeting get a date on that so I know. I've been doing a significant amount of work on that and I'd like to know when it's coming up so I can apply that effort.

And I'm still looking for the restricted funds. If I need to subdivide that list and start requesting them separately, I could certainly do that but perhaps in the next meeting we can decide whether that's an appropriate path for me to take or not. Because I've been very patient, it's been since the budget cycle. And I agreed to just get the name of the sources and I agreed to get them fed to me as they were available.

And so I'd like to see that move forward. The Safety Commission, I think we're delaying that review until the Safety Commission has met and but it's dropped off the list so I just don't want it to get lost. The greenhouse gas letter you guys did a great job on that I'm assuming that will go out this week. Dean, is that a good assumption?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:06:54

Very likely tomorrow.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:06:56

Tomorrow, OK. So some people probably are wondering why I'm harping on it. And I just thought I'd share a couple things. If the landfill closes and we go to the closest one and we can't extend it for 10 years We're going to spend over 87,000 gallons of diesel. That will cost us well over $400,000. This is per year. We're going to spend in labor over $400,000 a year and 200,000 in vehicle maintenance costs.

So about a million a year in utility savings if we can get this to go through. And I realize it only extends perhaps eight to 10 years of life. Those are pretty significant, and that saves 5,000 metric tons of CO2 a year. So if that letter gets approved I think that'll be a big win for the city. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by roll call2:08:07

Anything else? Okay. Happy New Year, call it quick and easy. We'll adjourn the meeting until January 20th at 630.