BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 March 3, 2026

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:47

Guys, it's a call to order of the regular City Council meeting. Tuesday March 3rd 2026 630 p.m. The clerk please call roll.

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Council Member Ball?

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Present.

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Council Member Bridge?

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Present.

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Council Member Vega? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Dirk Starbuck?

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction1:06

Present.

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Mayor James Mosby?

Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand
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Present. Please stand and join

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me with an invocation by Pastor Brian Halterman

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followed by the pledge allegiance

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:19

Let us pause together for a moment. God of wisdom, compassion and truth we thank you for this city and for the privilege of serving it. For its families and neighborhoods businesses and schools. For longtime residents and those just beginning to call this place home. Tonight we ask for wisdom for every leader here Public service requires clarity when issues are complex, courage when decisions are difficult and humility when perspectives differ.

May the conversations in this room be marked by respect and may every decision reflect a genuine desire for the well-being of the whole community. We also take time to lift up those who serve beyond this chamber. Our police officers, firefighters, our teachers and school staff, city employees, healthcare workers and volunteers grant them protection strength and encouragement in their work.

We pray for all our faith communities and service organizations of many traditions help us to continue building unity not through uniformity but through shared responsibility and mutual respect I'm reminded that leadership is ultimately about service, about seeking justice, loving mercy and walking humbly. May those values shape the tone and direction of this council meeting guide decisions made tonight? May they bring hope renewal instability to the city we care about so deeply.

We offer this in gratitude and unity. Amen

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:19

Presentation. Proclamation in honor of Women's History Month and Equal Pay Day.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:26

How you doing? I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:41

doing well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43

It's been a year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:48

It's a long

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49

one. Thank you guys. Whereas the National Women's History Month theme for 2026 is Leading the Change, Women Shaping a Sustainable Future. And whereas this year's theme celebrates women's critical roles in environmental, economic and social sustainability encompassing everything from green technology to community resilience and leadership Succession and whereas education has always been a powerful catalyst for change, and women have been at the forefront driving this transformation.

I know my mother was for sure that's for sure right? Whereas it is crucial to recognize the achievements and contribution of women educators, mentors and leaders to motivate all generations to pursue education and leadership roles. And whereas women have been instrumental in shaping societies, breaking barriers and building bridges yet continues to be paid less than their male counterparts. More than 60 years of passage of Equal Pay Act, women especially minority women continue to suffer the consequences of equal pay.

HR director that doesn't happen here right? Whereas four in ten mothers are primary breadwinners in the households and nearly two-thirds are primary or significant earners, making pay equity critical to families' economic security. Equal Pay Day 2026 marks the current state of gender pay gap for women, 81% of full time year round workers and 76% for all workers including part time and seasonal.

And whereas the Lompoc-Vanderbilt branch of the American Association of University Women is dedicated to fulfilling the mission of lifting up the lives of females through recognizing the importance of education, equal pay and by celebrating all the women educating and inspiring generations in our community. And throughout the United States and the world. And whereas, the City of Lompoc recognizes that there is a nationwide pay gap and is to be credited for its transparency in publishing the pay scale for city employees, and it stands with AAEW and others like organizations encouraging that the wage cap in all businesses and institutions in the city is closed across the board. And now therefore I, James Bosley, Mayor of the City of Lompoc California do hereby proclaim March 2026 as Women's History Month and this day, March 3rd, 2026 is Equal Pay Day in the City of Lompoc and recognize the work of American Association University of Women, Lompoc-Vandenberg Branch in improving the lives of females for 60 years and therefore strengthening Lompoc and society as a whole.

I witness it here too and have put my hand upon the seal of the city of Lompoc this third day of March 2026. Thank

PresenterDinah Perez Lockhart AndAssociation of American University Women Lompoc Vandenberg branch and on behalfProposedself-stated6:43

you

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guys.

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PresenterDinah Perez Lockhart AndAssociation of American University Women Lompoc Vandenberg branch and on behalfProposedself-stated6:51

Okay, so I've got my troops here. So thank you Mayor and members of City Council and members of the public very happy to be here My name is Dinah Perez Lockhart And I am the current president of the Association of American University Women Lompoc Vandenberg branch and on behalf of the branch we are honored to accept this proclamation as On behalf of all residents, and particularly women here in Lompoc. And recognition of March as Women's History Month and today as Equal Pay Day in Lompoc.

The AAUW has a very informative website. There are our initials there, just Google that. We have a number of reports on the web concerning women and girls. A very good study on our website is called The Not-So-Simple Truth About the Pay Gap. And I looked up some statistics for Lompoc's workforce, female workforce. And I learned that 59% of Lompoc women 16 years of age and older are in the labor force.

Some of those top industries that employ women in Lompoc are public administration, finance, insurance, real estate property management, transportation and warehousing. But I also learned a troubling statistic Working women in Lompoc earn a median income of $30,775 compared to $40,286 for men. What can we do to help achieve pay equity for women? A couple things. Access to affordable higher education by protecting Pell grants, work study and supporting income driven loan repayments and public service loan forgiveness.

Paid leave helps women and other caregivers to care for children recover from pregnancy and return to work protecting earnings and retirement security. Employers can perform pay equity audits to catch gaps by gender race and other factors Employers can post pay ranges, so there is no mystery on salaries. And I have to commend the City of Lompoc for doing just that.

And employers can also standardize pay and promotion decisions and train managers to make unbiased pay decisions and communicate them clearly. I want to thank the City Council of Lompoc and the Mayor in particular, and his staff. Thank you again for this important recognition on behalf of all working women and families in Lompoc.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed10:01

All right. City Manager report.

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction10:14

Thank you, Mayor. I wanted to let everybody know that the annual Easter egg hunt is coming. It's a great event and it returns on Saturday April 4th. There will be a lot of egg hunts there and Let everybody know it's coming around. I also wanted to share with everybody that March, the lifeguard training is opening. Registrations will be cleared to receive the American Red Cross Lifeguard Certification. Those trainings will be March 13th through the 15th and Saturday, March 21st.

Finally, I'd like to encourage parents and caregivers to register their children for the spring break camp. This is a great event well planned out by the Parks and Rec Division Pre-registration is required. It's $45 a child, and the camp runs through April 5th through April 10th. And you get more information from Parks and Rec on that one. Got some stuff from the library. We're going to do a focus group Summer Reading Challenge Program. If you're interested in participating in that, it'll be Saturday March 7th at 930.

It's a good opportunity to give insight on what that program could look like for the next challenge. I also wanted to let everybody know that they'll be doing the annual Peeps Diorama Contest hosted at the library. Those who'd like to participate can drop off the dioramas made of peeps beginning Monday, March 16th to Lompoc Library. They'd like the inspirations to be either books, movies, TV shows or locations in Lompoc.

I also wanted to get everybody aware. We had some people run around saying that our water was terrible, and I don't agree with that. And I just wanted everybody to know we're aware of the scam. They're going around in the community. But if you are... You know, if it is a city employee, they will identify themselves. They'll carry identification. If they have questions or concerns regarding verification meter inspections or bills Don't hesitate to call the city because their safety is our priority.

I want to take a moment to recognize our urban forestry team while traveling between assignments, Donald Dubay and Gamero Orwin came upon a serious traffic collision and found themselves First on the scene, before emergency responders had arrived they quickly accessed a fire extinguisher and helped put the fires out so some of the vehicles that were catching on fire.

They helped the occupants get to safety and they were there until the EMS team got there. I just want to...EMS or EMT? Anyways, sorry. I wanted to thank them for their calm response and being just good professionals out in the community doing more than just a regular job. So, thank you guys and Urban Forestry. That's all I have.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed13:25

You know one of the biggest questions I had people saw that post out there they said what were they doing on the way to Santa Maria? So maybe you could answer that one.

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction13:33

I've got a quick question while you're doing the manager's report.

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CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction13:35

We had an item that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed13:37

has been on the agenda for probably about

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction13:38

eight

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or

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction13:39

nine years.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed13:58

And it was resurrected after I got off council before and kept on for four years offer two years back on. And that is the discussion of time clocks, and it's been kicked down the road as a council former Councilmember home dollars they kicking the can down the road. Is there a way that it can come back in April, and not may.

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction14:19

We can do our best. We're still trying to do research, our management service director left a big hole that's all going to be looked at through the IT division and that needs to be analyzed so we can figure out what software it's gonna need but we are working on it. We could try and get back by April. Again it's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:37

been eight years

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction14:39

Well, it fell off for quite a long time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:41

Fell off for two years but it wasn't actually legitimately taken off the books so when I got back on, I was very concerned about that as well. So I know it's an item that doesn't want to be discussed and I get it but I'll take you to your word that you'll try to give me the best for April.

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction14:56

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:57

Thank you. Anybody else have any questions for the city manager? Nobody else? Mayor? Yes.

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated15:27

Before we get to the consent calendar, I wanted to state for the record that item number one on the consent calendar is the city's check register for this month. And one of the checks is to the Lompoc Valley Chamber Council Member Starbuck, the Lompoc Valley Chamber of Commerce is a source of income for Council Member Starbuck. And although the payment of a check for a contract that is already in effect is a ministerial duty on the city, in an abundance of caution, Council Member Starbuck is going to recuse himself from that one check and item number 1.

And he does not need to leave the dais because it's on the consent calendar so I just wanted

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:16

Okay, very good. Anything else before I open up for public comment on consent calendar? Consent calendar consists of... Six items and I'll read it under the record. It's approval ratification of expenditures for payroll of January 30th, 2026 of $1.998 million. A voucher register of January 26 through 30th 2026 to 767,000. Another voucher register February 2nd through the 6th of 2026 for 1.2 million And acceptance of the 2025 general plan annual report. Number three is adoption of resolution number 6799, parentheses 26 directing SCI Consulting Group to prepare the engineer's report for fiscal year 2026 for the continuation of levying and the annual assessments for the park maintenance pool.

Assessment district number 2002-01. Number four is adoption of ordinance 174326 amending section 13650 and 17.628.010 in chapter 916 level of unicode regarding admin fines, graffiti control and property nuisance Number five, adoption of Ordinance No. 174426, Reducing City Manager Purchasing Authority. And number six, authorize a comment letter on the County of Santa Barbara Environmental Justice Elements.

And I wish to pull item number two. Items that Council pulls will be addressed immediately before the second oral communications near the end of the meeting. Anybody wish to stand for public comment on these? Six items. Any other council members that have quick questions or want to pull any of the other items? Council Member Bridge.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed18:13

I hear you say you're pulling two?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed18:16

Number two is correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed18:18

I don't particularly want to pull item four, but I'll have to ask the council. I'd like to make a two-word change to that so I don' know if it's appropriate to pull it or

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed18:29

just... You can do something relatively simple like that. What do you've got?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed18:34

In section 9.16.05, graffiti removal requiring item C. I'd like to add the words business after 48, so 48 business hours. So if it happens on a Friday and I'd like to change the word occurrence to notification. You want to repeat that?

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated19:00

Sorry, you'd like to change the word. What was the second part of your request? Change the word.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed19:06

It reads right now should the property owner contact the city within 48, I'd like business added there after the notification instead of occurrence so that they're at least aware of it. It could occur and no one would really be aware of it. Just remove the word occurrence and change it to notification.

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated19:34

My comment on that is there's not necessarily any notification to a business owner that the graffiti has occurred, so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed19:41

Well, there's lots of notifications. There's a whole two pages of formalizing the notification. I'm trying to avoid somebody gets hit with graffiti they don't even know about it.

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated19:54

OK. This would then be the property owner can contact the city within 48 business hours after the city notifies the property owner of the vandalism.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed20:06

Yeah.

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated20:07

OK,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed20:10

that's too big we can pull it.

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated20:12

No, it's not a matter of pulling it tonight. It's just a matter of this ordinance has already been introduced. It is not a problem. It is just a procedural thing. This ordinance has already been introduced and so it is here for adoption If we wanted to make changes at this time, we just have to take it to the next council meeting and put it on the agenda.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed20:31

That's

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated20:32

fair. And you can reintroduce it tonight with those changes and then we can bring it back at the next meeting. I'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed20:40

like to do that.

Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated20:41

Motion to reintroduce with those two changes would be appropriate. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:46

Okay, do you want to finalize a motion to approve the rest of consent with the changes as you put forward here? Sure. I'll make that motion. Okay, Motion by Bridge seconded by Vegas. Go ahead and vote. That passes 5-0. Staff presentations, presentation about building and safety regarding this California 2025 solar mandate. Your all communication will be after these presentations.

Okay guys? We have three of them so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed21:56

Good evening Mayor, members of the Council. My name is Michael

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed22:00

Lowe and I'm your new Chief Building Official. I've been with the City now for about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed22:03

two months. The purpose of this presentation is to provide an objective financial analysis of the 2025 Energy Code Solar and Battery Mandate, and its specific implications for the City of Lompoc so that the Council can discuss whether we should petition the California Energy Commission to exempt the city from the mandate and provide staff with direction on the matter.

As shown on the first slide, the state's mandate is based on a statewide cost-effectiveness model. This model assumes a homeowner saves the full retail electricity rate approximately 20 cents per kilowatt hour for all the energy their system generates. This core assumption is not valid in Lompoc. Our utility rate includes a 13 cents per kilowatt hour customer owned generation rate which ensures that all grid users contribute to the fixed costs of maintaining the electric system.

The result is that a Lompoc resident only realizes a net savings of roughly 7 cents per kilowatt hour. And this 65% reduction in the homeowner benefit means that the state's cost-effectiveness conclusions do not hold true for our city. This situation is addressed in Title 24 of California Code of Regulations under Part 1, which is the California Administrative Code where there's a policy pathway for jurisdictions to petition the state when local utility

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed23:36

rules affect the statewide analyses. The next slide here details the financial outcome for an individual homeowner in Lompoc under the 2025 state mandate. Under 2025 code, both a solar system and battery with an estimated upfront cost of $25,000 is included under this code cycle. This cost is typically financed within a 30-year mortgage, and for the purposes of this analysis I based it on an interest rate of 5%, which is pretty conservative considering current rates.

And so what we're seeing is a total cost to the homeowner over the loan period of close to $50,000. My analysis projects the total lifetime energy benefit or savings for that homeowner to be less than $9,000. So the problem with the state's policy is that the homeowners would not recoup the capital investment and it increases the upfront costs of new construction.

Slide three outlines the community-wide fiscal impacts of the state's mandate, which I've broken up into two main categories. The first is the impact on housing affordability. As analysis on the previous slide showed each new homeowner faces a net financial loss when we scale this to the 2,000 new homes anticipated in the general plan. The cumulative net cost imposed on these new residents totals approximately 78 million dollars That is real money that could otherwise be in our residents' pockets over the first 30 years of their home's life.

The second point addresses utility solvency. The addition of 2,000 solar homes means our utility loses the ability to sell energy at the retail rate. This lost sales margin would create an estimated $600,000 annual deficit for the Lompoc Electric Utility. So this structural deficit to cover the shortfall and to ensure the utility remains solvent, the city would be likely forced to take budgetary action such as cutting services or increasing electricity rates for all existing customers across the community just because new construction requires solar and a battery now.

This brings us to the proposed solution. And what I'd like to say before I talk about this is, this is just an example for you guys to consider during discussion before you give direction to staff on how you'd like us to proceed. So if this isn't something that you have an appetite for, I'm happy to go back to the drawing board and look at some other I am highlighting an opportunity to impose a defensible fee that is based on the actual tangible value the system provides to the utility.

And this is really important to note because we're in a unique position to own our own public utility where, unlike other communities where PG&E could benefit from having more solar, the citizens, the community actually does benefit from more solar as well. This value is the avoided wholesale cost, the money our utility saves by not having to buy power from the wholesale market.

As shown, this benefit amounts to approximately $776 per home per year. Now I want to explain how I got there. We use that annual saving to determine the system's total real value to the utility, which is the foundation of the proposed fee. Think of it like a lottery prize. You can choose to receive annual payments for 30 years or you can take a smaller single lump sum payout today. That lump sum is called the net present value In our case, the utility's annual prize is that $776 it saves each year. That savings occurs every year for a 30-year life of the solar system so the net present value of the 30-year stream of savings is approximately $12,000.

That $12 thousand dollars is the real value because it is the total upfront present day financial benefit the utility would gain from having that one solar system live on the grid. Now that would mean that the council could elect to have up to a $12,000 fee and justify that. However for the sake of this discussion I proposed as shown in step two a much more conservative fee of $950 per kilowatt about 25%.

This is for a typical three kilowatt system which would result in a final in lieu fee of about $2,800. So this proposed fee again is less than 25% of the typical system's calculated real value, making it more reasonable and defensible. It provides a more affordable compliance path and allows the city to still invest in the funds in local energy projects that can benefit all rate payers.

So based on the outcome of tonight's discussion, staff would be prepared to bring a draft petition to the California Energy Commission along with corresponding City Council resolution for your formal consideration at the first meeting in April. To draft such a petition and resolution effectively, staff requires the council's policy direction on just a few key items. Whether or not to petition the California Energy Commission regarding the cost-effectiveness conclusions in Lompoc, the in lieu fee structure, and then also if there is a desire for an in lieu fee how those funds would be used.

And that concludes my presentation. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed29:44

Any questions? Councillor Boehme.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:49

Thank you for the presentation again, I think in general terms I'm understanding if we have a lot of new houses with solar that's going to take away revenue from our public utility and that might fall on rates going up on everyone else that just got older houses that doesn't necessarily have the mandate. Is that fair?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed30:05

That's one component of it. The other and more significant component to it is that the state cost-effectiveness study, which is specific to individual solar systems for individual homeowners doesn't seem to apply in the City of Lompoc because of the unique nature of the public utility and the lower rates and the current rate structure. So there's two components for the council to consider. There is how it impacts new construction, but also how it impacts the community at large because we are the beneficiaries of the public utility as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed30:41

Thank you for that. And then just second question, I'm always curious because I hate it if we have to reinvent the wheel there has to be some other cities not many but have their own public utility or are there some is there any precedent for any of this? Are there examples? Are other cities fighting the same fight or trying to figure out how to circumvent the mandate?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed30:59

Yeah, so the first time going back to the Energy Commission's records it looks like the 2019 code cycle there were several cities that petitioned and only one of them actually made it through. There are a couple of individual projects that petitioned as well and those were approved but But right now, I'm just seeing it's the Trinity Public Utility District. I've spoken to their manager who has talked to me about the process.

Their situation is a little bit different than what we have. They just have access to very low energy costs where here we are our own public utility so I think that there's actually a smoother policy pathway for us to still achieve the Energy Commission's intended goals while also creating more cost-effective approach for our builders.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed31:55

Thank you for that. I guess my only other suggestion is as soon as we can really, and you've done a great job here but again, as we simplify it and are able to talk to some of our regional leaders in the Assembly and the State Senate, again notifying them that this might create a pretty big inequity for some of our citizens if we don't have the ability to be flexible with that mandate. So thank you for your presentation. Yeah, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:18

Council Member Vega?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed32:22

Hi. You mentioned an interesting thing because you have the 2020 mandate for all new construction here. We don't have a rate structure that even allows them a benefit, so it seems like we're not even that close to having a program because of the loss of revenue Based on kilowatt hour. So the benefit to the new construction people because they buy a home already with solar installed, you take away the factor of their investment I'm not sure where we're going with this. I can see why Lompoc is known as non-solar compliant because of the rate structure So it seems to me that we would have to build a rate structure that would have a benefit to solar and somehow be subsidized through the state or something for this, for the energy. You know? It seems like so it's not a total loss.

So I'm not sure if you have any comments on the new construction and what's going to happen or what happens with the new construction that's already here, that's already solar retrofitted If you were to buy a new home here with solar retrofitting, how would it affect you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed33:48

Yeah. Great questions. I'll do my best to hit as many of the points but please feel free to chime in if I'm getting off here. The beginning in 2019, which the code became effective in 2020. All new construction was required to all new single family residents were required to install solar along with the new construction And in 2025, they added a energy storage system mandate along with that. The justification from the state for a new code like that is that they were able to demonstrate through cost-effectiveness studies which were at large throughout the state.

I've worked on some energy policies with other jurisdictions and they thread a very fine needle to justify cost effectiveness And in Lompoc, where we already have very low rates compared to a PG&E or Southern and Edison. Those studies are actually pretty easy for us to demonstrate to the state that the numbers don't work out for our residents. The one thing that I would be concerned with in this policy or submitting it to the state is that their cost-effectiveness study, again threading that very thin needle, is only based on solar and it's based on a specific size system in a certain area.

And so In fact, in new construction there would still be the requirement of solar readiness and so they would still have all of the conduit in place as well as spaces within the breaker panels to still install that pretty easily to retrofit it. So I think the bottom line here is there's no benefit for anyone in Lompoc

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed36:15

to use their solar as what you just said monetarily. Cost structure. We don't have a way of subsidizing anybody that goes on solar, so basically it's not a good investment for someone to do that here. It's there as a mandate, so you're saying if we get the mandate waived for the new construction, it lets somebody off the hook? I'm not sure if it's the builder or whatever.

You know they probably still have to install it But I'm not sure what you meant by the waiver, you know, of not installing solar in the homes. Okay? So that people don't feel a little bit like they've been taken for a ride so to speak because you buy a benefit but there's no benefit except for to know that you're using solar.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed37:10

That's right. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:13

I think the solar would come to play to benefit once people get to Tier 3 power usage, but in Lompoc generally speaking our average is around the Tier 1 which is the cheapest rates. It doesn't really come to benefit until you become up at the highest level which does meet the threshold of mandates for development. I agree with your tier 3

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed38:03

Could you go back a slide or two where you made a statement I want to understand? It was about one more. I heard a statement in there about our rates being negatively structured. You didn't use those words, but you had a reason in the paragraph. Maybe it was one more slide back. Can't be that one then, huh? I think what you were referring to is the fact It's kind of like the tax on mileage because the EV cars are not paying for the infrastructure. So we have a fairly large component of infrastructure rate built into our variable rate We recently, I thought, put in a $5 flat fee for a meter.

And what wasn't clear to me, I'm sure it was made clear but I don't remember asking the right questions, was that $5 flat fee does that end up reducing our Distribution fee, I think that's more than 50% of our fee is distribution if I'm not mistaken. So did the flat $5 meter fee reduce that or did we just add that on top?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed40:00

The $5 fee lessened the, I think there was no increase the first year because we've had small increases I think it stayed the same. So

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed40:36

it stayed the same distribution fee, but in the future maybe it reduces the distribution fee. Is that what you're telling me?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed40:47

Initially I believe it lowered the distribution fee but there are scheduled increases to the distribution fees so I'm not, I think it's lower than it would have been though.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed40:59

Okay, so if we send you back for another analysis It would seem if you took that $5 to, I'll just throw a number out, 20 bucks and did away with the distribution fee. I'm not sure it has any impact on that but I believe it does have impact on motivation for people to retrofit their solar on their home and it would essentially be a wash to the city which is, I'm not opposed to what you're trying to do. It seems like a very high hill to climb but another way to accomplish what we're trying to do there is to change that variable distribution fee to a flat fee that would cover the infrastructure and then if people put in solar they would get a return on investment so that's the only comment I have on that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed42:02

Let me come back to Councilor McGehan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed42:06

Sorry, I cut you off for a second. It's okay. So basically the direction that we could give as part of the council since it doesn't make cost-effective sense here is the mandate that you referenced a waiver from the state. Has that already been applied for or is that what the direction is you're looking for tonight? That we apply for a waiver for new construction for the City of Lompoc or is that a statewide thing?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed42:33

That's the direction we're seeking tonight from the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed42:35

council. Okay, I just wanted to clarify for everybody because going back and forth and it's not cost effective And I don't think we're looking to raise rates So I think I just wanted to clarify for us so we stay on the same page We're not rattling on all night about something different. So why don't we stay focused and maybe After public comment, maybe give good directions. That's why I had to ask him. Okay guys. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed42:58

Councilmember Boehl

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed42:59

So just knowing that it could turn out really bad for ratepayers in a worst case scenario for Lompoc, I have no problem with proposing to the state to allow us to maintain some flexibility. As a suggestion we might you know their general good intentioned idea might be to have more green energy and benefit from those things. No argument there for me but maybe we can remind them that we are part of NCPA and they do have a pretty balanced Thank you.

They're right in the middle of building out Riverview Terrace. I was curious, can you tell me how does this play into what they're required to do? What are they building on the ground here with regard to that mandate?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed44:01

It would be my understanding that it would only be applicable to houses built under the 2025 code and river terraces being built under the 2022 code. There are some differences in the code, in the mandates. under the 2022 code, which is where the bulk of the cost actually comes from. I did survey and ask them about how much those systems cost and being able to do it at scale they can get a solar system in there between $8,000-$9,000 a new home. And so that is right around 30 year payoff for those homeowners. So they're right at break even

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed44:46

Awesome. And again, I'm not sure this is the question and maybe come back with a little bit more clarity on it but as Council remembers and again there's no argument here but just a meeting or two ago they were telling us hey be prepared be prepared the load is going to go up quite a bit because of all the demand that's mandated from the state in terms of new electric cars and electrification you mentioned tier 3 which I think 37 cents kilowatt for the city And right now, you know we're staying low but we've also been told that the demand is going to go through the roof. So I guess I'd be curious to know like okay with that separate mandate where we're going to electrify everything does that change this equation's balance at all down the road?

Meaning more people are closer to paying tier 2 and tier 3 rates just because of their total consumption. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed45:36

you, Mr. Chair.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed45:50

No, we just had a gentleman last time talked to us about updating our you know our infrastructure for our electrical department meaning we need a second substation. We are going to have a much bigger power draw because more people have to plug things in and change their stoves and water heaters and so forth have to be So, just considering that we've been told that the demand is going to go up and there's projections for that. I would just be curious like well with that separate mandate and with this one does that change some of that penciling out down the road?

But again, I'm not sure that's something you can answer right now. Just know I'm kind of curious. Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed46:27

Sure, I've got a few statements here. About a year and a half ago, two years ago there was a case that was moving through the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals regarding restaurant associations versus the City of Berkeley who actually did have an electrification mandate for their city And the Court of Appeals came back and stated that was actually illegal, and that they could not mandate full electric in all new development. Based on EPA standards from like the 70s.

I did check in with the Public Utilities Department about future demand and it's my understanding that there is enough demand for what we are currently projecting, but I would defer those questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed47:31

Hi, thank you for having me here. Stephen Valle, I'm our Electric Regulatory Compliance Coordinator. Yeah so I think it's kind of interesting being a California electric utility where we're up against increasing loads and we're also up against a pretty steadfast renewable energy portfolio requirement. That's actually 60% by 2030, which is right around the corner.

So the past few years we've done great because a while ago, I want to say maybe a decade or more than that ago, we purchased a lot of renewable energy certificates in the open market for the cap and trade program, now cap and invest. We are in a position now where last year we just used the rest of those Thank you, Mr. Chairman. pay quite a bit, probably an equal amount as what the generation is for the transmission just to bring that power here. So I think this is a way that we can leverage this and have an economies of scale kind of situation where we have localized renewables in our portfolio somewhere localized. That's all I can go for right now.

Yeah, I think we have some we do have a letter. I would say the state is pretty stringent on their electrification measures and goals They do have some you know phases out So I believe in a couple years you won't be able to get a gas water heater You know, we have electric vehicle mandates which right now is a really weird time also everything's kind of in flux but People in the market is shifting that way. A little slower lately, but it's still a shift so we do still see more homes than before with electric vehicles and electrified appliances. Electric appliances are pretty efficient as well so that's definitely a component too that people are looking at.

You know, at the end of the day I think we'll be able to provide and that's what Lompoc has done over you know the past decades is we provided a service at a great rate. At a good cost and that's part of our argument is to say we have a really great way that we can save on cost instead of having the dollars go outside of Lompoc. We also have this means of keeping it local so yeah I hope that answered.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed50:27

If I could just add one more thing, so really two parts to this tonight. One is of course the petition to the state and your guidance on whether staff should pursue that. That would have to come back to the council for your approval it'd be actually approved through a resolution but then also and to your point Council Member Ball There is an opportunity to also still retain or get some of that benefit through an in lieu fee structure. And so if there was an in lieu fee imposed, such as the $950 a kilowatt, the developer would still be paying that at the start of construction which would then get turned over, of course, to the new homeowner. They would be paying for it. So it would be an upfront cost to the public utility by buying a house here.

And then what we do with that money or how it is spent for the better of the community would be at your discretion as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed51:33

That's very helpful from both of you, thank you very much. I'll probably have some follow-up questions just to learn a little bit more but I think it's important for us to avoid accidentally setting up a system where we didn't get a waiver, You know, the state to understand how unique we are with our public utility. And a lot of folks in this isn't a rich town see the rates go through the roof but I do like this idea and again, I'm curious as soon as you get kind of a green light or some hesitation about whether they'll accept that proposal but I think what you presented is pretty solid and I'd support it for sure. Yeah.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed52:11

Let me open this up to public comment If you want to talk about this item, just this one.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed52:27

Good evening Mayor, City Council, Karen Hauenstein. So this green energy bunk is not cost effective at all It's cost us a lot, it's continuing to do so. I think it's one of the major reasons why we very well may have a regime change at the highest levels of our state government soon because it's failed. We've basically traded at the federal level any monies that could have come in to help us Increase the safety in our community by getting our bridges that we need, bringing the commuter traffic into Lompoc. We traded that through salad carbohol for the wind farm out in Miguelito Canyon which was a horrendous graft money suck, money wash Almost as bad as the cartel money washes, which are horrible and still going on today.

The state of California bailed out PG&E in 2019 after they filed for bankruptcy after the fires The state of California and PG&E has a nepotistic relationship, especially with relation to this green energy bunk that they've fed all of us that we're paying for. It's going to continue costing us. So when you consider the issue of solar on people's houses remember The Lompoc utility does not have this relationship with the state of California that PG&E does.

State of California probably doesn't care about coming and bailing us out. Thanks.

CommentAlexis OteroProposedself-stated54:59

Hi everyone, my name is Alexis Otero and this is not just for the City Council but I was hoping maybe to get the attention of the city managers as well. Is there any way because I mean you know solar energy we have a lot of sunny days here in Lompoc And instead of it being up to the individual homeowner, is there any way that we could potentially look into grants with either state or federal to build potentially solar power here? We have lots of sunny days like I was saying.

And regardless of how we feel about it, time marches forward. Solar is the future. And solar energy, the panels that they're coming out with have improved tremendously not just in the amount of energy that they can gather but also in how long each solar panel lasts. And the technology is making leaps and bounds every day so I would wonder and propose maybe to the City Council and to the city manager looking into those grants to maybe get a solar farm out here. That way we can be self-sufficient in our energy production, and we don't have to rely on PG&E.

And we wouldn't have to rely on the individual homeowner either. And so that's really it. I just want to kind of propose that as a way to generate a little more money for the city and to kind of ease the strain on our current electric grid by expanding. So yeah, that's all. Have a good evening you guys.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed56:58

Once you reach out to Stephen Vallee, he can answer a lot of those questions you have. We already do have quite a big portfolio already of renewable energies and we are for the most part self-sufficient. We don't rely on PG&E except for transmission right? Okay so seeing nobody else rise for public comment, I'll bring it back to Council for deliberations on the item.

I think the thing that sells me is this gives the people It's a choice. And it's not the forced mandate, it allows people to potentially save money and as things are moving fast down the pipe I think Michael thank you for this and whoever brought this in, it's nice to have people thinking forward on what direction to go with

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed57:53

I just want to say I'm pretty much in full agreement. And just one comment, it was the...I'm so sorry I forgot your name. Mike. Thank you for making a presentation that we can see and read with our own eyes without glasses. It's really helpful and I just encourage this is a very complicated topic and there's a lot of equations and you've made it very thoughtful and easy to kind of wrap our head around. So thank you. Appreciate that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed58:17

Councilor Vega? Yeah, I'd like to thank that presentation was excellent. I appreciate it very clear easy to listen to so I appreciate that Also like if the mayor's really ready for a motion what they were looking for direction to File a waiver with the state for new construction Unless someone has something to add to it. That would be my motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed58:40

Go ahead make your motions, that's fine Is there anything else was needed though? I think there was one other thing he was asked for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed58:52

Yeah, and just as we heard from the last public speaker an in-lieu fee or some way to still retain the benefit of new construction towards the public utility is something we can consider at this time as well. And so if there's ideas or desire to see some type of proposal come forward more than what I presented on the slide with more details be happy to prepare a recommendation of that nature as well to go towards something such as a project

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed59:23

You know, that would be something we could modify in lieu fee. I'd like to see it to go to the capital improvement projects for street lighting and things like that. But I mean, that could be something that we could add. Add that to your motion? Add that to my motion as far as a possible in-lieu fee by a developer possibly building a home for the benefit of Lompoc residents somehow, some way, some project along with a motion to apply for a waiver.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:53

I think you made a good point. We can always modify that a little bit. I just need to learn more and I'll have further questions as we project what the state is mandating from different departments over the next 10 years, how does that play out? In that scenario, and do we set ourselves up for success? Is it something that is way too much and needs to be reduced or do we need to look out for changes on the horizon that complicated down the road. So again I support what you guys have recommended but that'll be kind of my questions over time so I support it yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:00:26

Push second down one more thing here we go first by Councilmember Vegas to get my ball let's go vote

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:00:31

One thing, though. You know one thing is when we project things and I appreciate your question but a lot of times we hire consultants and I'm not talking about anybody here or anything but they have their crystal ball out and they always tell us they can't project over five years everything we do here let's make a point everything is 20-30 year plan you know things that are not even viable I get it there's a forecast to it but I would appreciate all of us being a little bit more real when we vote You know, to want to know about a forecast way in the future. But we can do things right now to benefit our people and I think that would probably be appreciated. Just my comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:01:08

I have no disagreement with that. I think what I'm looking for is like just trying if there's going to be an in lieu fee kind of play it out over time. It might be less so it actually incentivizes people to build. I have no argument there. It's just trying to understand how it plays out over time. So I second it support the motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:01:26

Vote away.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:01:34

That passes 5-0. Next, we're getting close, two more. Finance department staff to provide a presentation of the fiscal year 2024-2025 financial audit annual comprehensive financial report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:02:02

Good evening mayor, council members. I'm here tonight to discuss And you'll comprehensive financial report for a flight 2425. So this is the agenda for tonight we're going to go through the audit review and then we're going to hit some highlights from the book we're not going to cover all 240 pages tonight will save that for another time. We're going to start out talking about the audit review, and we have our senior manager from LSL, Riley Greenlee. He's going to be here to discuss the audit, and then we'll get into the numbers from utility funds in the general fund. So Riley? All

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:03:07

right. Thank you for having me this evening. So yes, it's my pleasure tonight to present the results for our annual financial audit for this year. I'd like to kick this off with recognizing, you know, like Bob said, it's a 240-page document. There's a lot of work that goes into this audit. It was a very good audit year for us and we're very thankful to Bob, Matt and their team for really providing these things and being available. Letting that be a smooth process in lieu of their normal everyday job going along.

All right so we'll get right into it. So the basic responsibilities we have in relation to the audit is, we do it in accordance with three standards. First standard is your generally accepted auditing standards. This is your baseline. Every audit is done in accordance to these. One step above that are government auditing standards. There's some extra compliance and things that we have to look at as part of that.

And then the third level is uniform guidance, which really looks at the compliance around any funding that the city gets from the federal government. It kind of leads into our single audit that we perform for the city that's currently underway and not due until the end of March. So during our audit, we always exercise professional judgment. We come in with professional skepticism, really that trust but verify approach.

The audit is done with a risk-based approach meaning we don't go through and test every single transaction the city has. We gather information and kind of develop a plan of attack to what's important for us to get that reasonable insurance. Through that comes with like understanding the internal controls around the city. You know, how is a check cut? How are invoices processed all that helps lead into that risk-based approach Looking at any significant estimates making sure those are reasonable in line with other cities other kinds we have in the industry and then any other conditions which would signal like a doubt to continued financial viability at the city So really the audit's done in two phases.

So phase one is our, we call it our interim phase. We did this back in April. This is the time of year when we go through those internal controls. We look at overall fraud risk and control risks that we see. We try to provide feedback, you know best practices for, we're already looking into controls and looking at these procedures that kind of help the city like stay aligned with industry standards This helps us develop the plan when we come for phase two, which is the year-end audit, we call it. When you think of an audit this is what we're doing. We're doing those examining balances, we're confirming cash accounts, we'r pulling a substantiating different support like invoices, checks, receipts, all that fun stuff. Analytical procedures and any other inquiries of management that we might need to get that reasonable assurance.

So in the end, we issued the report this year on February 18th of this year. And then the last piece results because that's what we're here for tonight right? So we issued an unmodified auditor's opinion. What that means is that's the highest level opinion that we can issue in relation to an audit. We issued some letters accompanying that, outlining that we had no material weaknesses. We did have one significant deficiency that's detailed in there and no other material noncompliance that we noted.

Really the biggest impact this year is a new GASB pronouncement, GASB 101 around compensated absences. Really redefining how we value like sick leave, any other PTO to employees at the city. So you can see the impact in there it's disclosed in the notes of the financial statements. We looked at the reasonableness of the two largest estimates, which is your pension and your OPEB liabilities. We had no issues with those.

In addition, we had no difficulties that we encountered during the audit, no corrected or uncorrected misstatements that we noted. We obviously had no disagreements with management and any prior year findings or issues we considered resolved at this time. That's really all I have for you. And I think questions we're going to do are passing back to Bob but thank you all for having me tonight.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:07:31

Thank you. You have a question for him or let Bob continue on? Do you have something up front?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:07:40

Repeat what you just said. You said everything looks great, there's nothing internal, notice everyone is happy. But you said there was one area that and it's listed in here but one area that either caused concern or wasn't necessarily in line with...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:07:53

Correct. Perfect. What does that mean? We did have an internal control letter we had a significant deficiency finding that we issued but it doesn't alter our opinion. We still issue non-modified opinion and were comfortable with the reasonableness of financial statements.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:08:06

So I'm going to push you a little bit There's no internal fraud happening at the city that you could identify, right? But what you're saying is there might have been an area where someone or anyone might take advantage of the city in some context because there is not sufficient oversight. Can you elaborate on that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:08:28

So within the scope of our audit, we look at internal controls where we could see weaknesses or deficiencies in them that aren't up to industry standards. A significant deficiency really focuses on a deficiency in such controls that could lead to some sort of issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:08:47

And you've made suggestions on tightening up that area.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:08:50

Yes, so in the letter you'll see a recommendation from us on how to address those controls as well as a management's response for Bob and his team to kind of lay out the groundwork for the plan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:00

Perfect, thank you very much. Of course.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:09:06

Thank you. I have some questions for Bob. We'll let Bob do some more presentation and maybe it will reflect back to you as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:09:14

Okay. So for fiscal year 24-25, first slide we have the activities operating expenses and revenues for our utilities. So this graph shows two fiscal years and just from the left it'll show like the water, the revenues, and then expenditures. So you can see expenditures were a little higher than revenues in FY24 and then the next 2 is FY25 so that continues.

So water is having expenditures greater than revenues and we are looking at possibly doing a rates analysis. We started a rate study because the rates are still the same from 2016, so but anyway those are the results there. The next two are for electric you can see we've had revenues operating revenues greater than expenditures both FY24 and FY25 And wastewater, we've been really close to revenues and expenditures in both fiscal years. And solid waste, revenues have been short of less than expenditures both fiscal years.

And going forward, we have the governmental side. We have the general fund and all of the activities there, police, fire, library, parks, rec, all the typical general fund activities. And we have special revenue funds which are CDBG, Measure A and Special Gas Tax and we have capital projects. Those make up the governmental activities which is in the financials. So governmental activities, I want to focus on the right-hand side because we found some issues with the pie graph. But so on the right hand side, the charges for services is the largest revenue source for the general fund at $19 million and then we have sales tax about $17 million and property tax at $12 million. Those are the major revenues that fund governmental activities.

And then here, this compares the fiscal year 24 with 25. So you can see charges for services increased almost $3 million and that the result of that is from outsourcing our cost allocation plan. We were according to the consultant we should have been billing more for charges for services. That's one of the reasons that increased for FY25 The property taxes increased a little bit, sales taxes was pretty even.

You see I want to highlight the operating grants and capital grants. Operating grants went up 2.8 million and capital grants went up another almost two million. So that was really good, and that's going to lead into the next slides. So expenditures, you can see the main activities, governmental expenditures. We have police, it's about 17 million. We have general government about 11 million. Those are the primary ones, and then there were a lot of capital outlay projects we were able to do in FY25.

And then comparing that with the prior year, you can see general government was very close. Police protection increased and a lot of that was due to recognition of grant. They got grants for their CAD RMS program and so that was recognized there. And then the other parks increase and again that was due to receiving grants for parks funds. Engineering the streets, we had more street projects in 25 than 24. So there was increased activity and expenditures there as well so.

And then the general fund, the balance this shows kind of a 10-year history of where it's gone and you can see 2022 is the largest amount that was during the ARPA funds And since then, it's been down to 12 million. We actually increased about 400-370,000 from 24 to 25. So we'll be discussing that again when we do the midyear update probably at the next meeting but so that's just the results for FY24 and before we get into questions I want to say a few things. As Riley showed, the audit starts in April and we're still working on the single audit from last year. It's a year-round process between researching all of the new pronouncements, the field work, producing the statements, proofreading the book—producing And then the single audit, the grants.

It's a year-round project and we couldn't do it without help from all the departments here. They all are right away answering questions when we need documents, when we need information, when we need them to fill in information for us. I just want to thank the finance department, recognize them as this group of 12 or so staff put in hundreds and hundreds of hours on this every year.

And especially my predecessor, Christy and Matt who spent weeks, weekends, holidays I mean working on this book. And it couldn't have happened without any of that so with that we will work on questions. I don't have all the numbers memorized but between Matt and I and Riley on audit questions we will answer what we can.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:11

Thank you, it's one of my favorite books to read. I've already read it twice

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:15:16

already. That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:17

awesome. Just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:15:17

love it. Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:15:18

I'm glad to hear it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:21

So could you go back to slide 13? And I'm still waiting for my hard copy by the way for the cost allocation book. I was told I'd get one. Been asking them for a while is there a way I can get that book see that study that we approved through the budget cycle without seeing his study so where we can see that City manager, can you make sure we get one?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:15:43

I'll contact them. Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:45

I'd like to see what we approved. It would

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:15:47

be nice to see

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:47

this new methodology that increased expenditures or revenues, however you look at it. If your utility is an expenditure for the general fund it's a revenue of $3 million. So on your first column there, is the ROW in there? The right-of-way that we were charging utilities, is it in the first column there, charges for service? Would that be in that column? Yes. So that'll be reduced by 1.8 million by court action, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:16:16

Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:16

Okay so we'll see a change in that one all right It really stinks that our sales tax are flatlining like that and that's scary those are scary numbers especially with inflationary components going on the way they have been It is good to see that our property tax is up in one aspect. People's assets are gaining value. If you can go back to the last slide, I have a lot about it in the book but I'll dig into that later. There are statements and things of importance Yeah, you know your book no 13 loved it. Good job. Thank you guys But I'll drill on some of that stuff later but the last slide there so it is a little deceiving there For your your fund balance because a good percentage of that is Restricted is it not?

Yes So what but seven or eight million dollars is restricted if I remember correctly Because it looks like hey we got a bunch of money We could just have fun with but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:17:12

you have a lot of its restricted. So it's already locked down and We'll do the breakdown at the next meeting. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:17:20

just wanted to make sure when people see that they start getting excited, but when you have funds that are restricted that means you can't spend them for just whatever you want. You're correct. So I think about half of that is restricted or maybe a little bit more so I think those are important things. Thank you guys with what you did here and Other than that one big mistake I found, you guys did good. The other thing else was pretty good. Thank you. I was impressed with that. We found all the rest. I'm sure you did. Council

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:17:54

Member Ball? Yeah, I just want to second that. Thank you for all the hard work. I know this is it's easy for us to sit up here and you guys bring the thing and we just look at the numbers and have a bunch of questions and so forth but I know it takes a ton of lifting by multiple people that make this happen. So two quick questions and it was just on... Mr. Ball, get close your microphone. I was losing ya. Sorry, I apologize.

Sometimes I've been told I'm too loud so I gotta be careful with that. On the governmental activities revenue slide let's see Let's see the one that shows revenues. Sorry. Yes, so quick question. Just humor me on the sales tax one it's pretty in line year to year I mean that's $3,000 difference pretty close or 30,000 maybe is there anything you extrapolate from Why they're similar, is it just the economy was basically equal or at least at the local scale nothing really changed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:19:00

Yeah it's close enough. It's really hard to analyze that we have a breakdown on the different industries where it comes in but you don't have to go into that I'll never be able to find the page but yes we do have a breakdown on that but yeah it's really close

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:19:19

Sometimes I'm always curious, looking ahead. It's page 204. Thank you. I knew it was in the 200s. I guess sometimes I'm curious are we hitting the cap and then we start to slide down? And when things are pretty similar, I'm always curious if we're going to keep going up a little bit or have we already topped out and we're headed down? But again that's just maybe a long-winded discussion on the future.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:19:41

Yeah, it's a lot higher than it was a few years ago but it did kind of level off this past

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:19:46

And then the only other quick one was under, just to educate me under other revenue. It used to be a couple million, two and half billion-ish and now it's under a million. What constitutes that? And what makes that big of a change year to year or what's under the other revenue category? Sure. Matt

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:20:11

knows a lot more than

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:20:12

specific numbers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:20:13

Perfect.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:20:15

All right, so I do have this one. That's slightly misleading. It's not that we brought in less revenue but if you take a look at the operating revenues, we reclassified what was known as SB1 or Measure A which can be either operating revenues or taxes. So last year we had it reported as taxes. This year with Riley's help and his team, we reallocated it into the operating grants and revenues.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:20:39

So in layman's terms, it's just a different category?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:20:41

Correct. It just slid from one category to the next. OK.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:20:44

That's all I wanted to ask. Thank you. Appreciate that Matt. That's all my questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:20:50

Council Member Rich. It's a mind numbing book. It has lots in it. Good job. When I asked a couple of these questions if you want to just delay them until Midway review, because it's more appropriate there. That's fine. Okay So we use the term government activities revenues etc here Should I in my mind think general fund when I see? governmental activities

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:21:27

There was a previous slide that shows us not all just general fund This way One more, I think. Nope. Okay so governmental activity is made up of all the general fund plus a few other activities and it's on there's a page where we have all the general fund and then other governmental funds and then the totals. It's mostly general fund, but there are other items that go into it as well.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:22:24

We saw an expense versus revenue except the general fund. I never saw that. Just take the balance of the funds and subtract the two to get

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:22:59

So this, yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:01

It's year-to-year right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:23:04

Yes so general government police protection fire protection engineering streets those primary most of those or all of you most of the parts of those are considered general fund. So the General Fund as a whole With on the last slide, it increased by $370,000. What

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:28

slide was that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:23:29

The very end.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:31

Was that the fund balance

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:23:32

slide? Right, the fund balance. That shows a fund balance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:34

So that delta right there was the...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:23:37

That's the final of the general fund. Most of this is general fund but there are some governmental activities that are in there as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:46

Okay. I think this one probably goes to next week, but on page 37 there seem to be some pretty significant overruns. Did they trigger a report coming back to the Council as to how that happened or when that was approved?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:24:08

I can answer some of them now if you want.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:24:11

Wherever is appropriate, yeah. The real question is not that there's overruns the question is increases thank you. Is what's the procedure for, it's a year we get these once a year. Is there a procedure that says hey we're heading for an $800,000 Over on here. What's right turn around? It's not overrun

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:24:38

So in the current year, we'll be coming forward with budget adjustments if we need to to cover overruns That wasn't that Wasn't required I don't believe until this budget cycle but we will be do we will be coming forward if we do need to move funds from one department to another and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:25:00

Okay, cool. On page 40 we have a few pages of debt assessment but I didn't see the landfill loan in here at all. That's 7 million bucks and is that not as interdependent?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:25:17

That's an internal loan not debt so it's covered. It's not covered with our external debt there's another page in here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:25:26

There's another page I missed. Page 113

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:25:29

Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:25:46

Was this just a alignment issue or were you trying to communicate something with the structure on 4849, the way it was?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:25:56

That's how the statement is required. That's the required format for the statement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:26:03

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:26:04

It's just the accepted way of doing those statements.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:26:09

So it's not just that What are you trying to communicate with the big indent on the general revenue and all of the numbers only being on page 2 or page 49? There must be a message there I'm not understanding.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:26:26

It's another way of looking at our expenses as opposed to charges for revenues by department. And then it's got the governmental activities and then the utilities, the enterprise funds. And then the lower right-hand side just has the revenues broken out by category as opposed to by area. They're revenues that can't be classified to any one particular division.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:26:57

These areas in the bottom can't be classified?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:27:00

We're going to go ahead and

move on to the next item.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:27:26

Is the road repair service fund of $10 million, is that an accumulation of all the restricted funds associated with the road?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:27:38

It

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:27:40

looks like I got $10 million for road repairs

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:27:43

in there. I believe that's the right-of-way fund. Say again? I believe that's the right-of way fund.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:27:48

Right-of way? And so we'll hear more about it next week?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:27:53

One second.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:27:58

So if you take a look at that page that you're looking at there and then flip further back into the combining statements for the non-major governmentals, you'll see when you look at each of those funds when it says restricted. If it's like special gas tax, local transportation, Measure A, any of those ones, that is your road fund. So if you were to total all of those up, that would be your restricted total road funds, correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:18

And I would see that where?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:28:21

It's in the combining statements so it's page 137 through... That's the balance sheet side of it. And then if you continue to the next pages, you'll see the revenues and expenses. These statements here I was going to bring this up earlier as well. Those sections that part of this combining statement will also answer your question previously of what makes up the governmental accounts. It's a general fund plus all of those. Oh, that is your other accounts go along with the general fund to total total government.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:48

All right, I'll go study I think this is next week. Page 208, I just want an interpretation of page 208 please. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:29:10

208?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:11

Yeah let me get there with you. So really my question is in column I guess it'd be four. Is that essentially the money that's moved off for low-income housing, off of our rolls?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:29:30

I'm sorry, column four is... The secured and unsecured value?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:44

On the bottom we have no secured, unsecured value for a bunch of things.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:29:49

Those are properties that they're there because they were in the top 10 in 2016 and they're not in the top 10 anymore so we're only reporting the top ten so the far right is the top ten from 2016 if they weren't in the top ten anymore we don't show the information.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:30:15

Secret decoder ring. I did have a comment for the staffing on page 224. One of the things, I guess it's a myth is how much staffing has grown but in reality when you look at that chart staffing has been pretty darn stable over the years so I'm pleasantly surprised I was laboring under a general myth. And the last one is for the police chief, but I think he left.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:55

If you look at 223 and the population growth, you see it's actually stable too. Actually, the population growth declined from 2015 to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:02

2014. You know, the myth out there is staff has doubled in nowhere near... I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:31:10

here Mr. Rich.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:12

I'm looking at page 230. Did we activate a new road or we just got a bunch of dummies out there? What the hell happened there because everything else is pretty stable. You've done a good job and not that that's not a good job,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:31:47

but I'd have to dig into it a little bit more to find out the specifics of it. But if that's what we're showing then it's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:53

Yeah, I wasn't doubting the number. I was trying to understand because I was one of the guys who's kind of going you know writing traffic tickets maybe is not such a big deal. I think I might have had that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:32:04

but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:04

then I see that and I go well maybe I don't understand.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:32:09

It doesn't have the attention that it should get in many cases but many of the complaints we receive from the community are traffic related so That's why we have now the motor officer back out there and we're looking to put another one out when we can staff it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:27

Yeah. I just wondered about that number because for, so I've been looking at the restricted funds on road and a big portion of the early restricted funds are related to singlization. If it turned out that was some street north of A or something that was causing all that then maybe that would be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:32:51

A. We can have the traffic bureau take a look at it and figure out where our biggest problem areas are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:57

Those were the questions I had. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:05

See nobody else? I'll come with a couple items of interest, I think unfortunately this is probably one of the most important books of our city and sometimes we just gloss over it Thank you I want to start by saying thank you. In the past, seeing something like that and seeing if we needed to modify something with our billing procedures or something would be nice.

And just pointing out that number... If I can respond to

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:33:56

that? Yeah of course! Part of the mid-year review next time will have the past due receivables and that's really what we focus on and it is actually gone down quite a bit. It's not nearly This high has gone down a lot in the last year. So we'll have that reported at the mid-year review, but this is a lot of it. It's just bills that go out in June, receivables because they haven't been paid yet so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:34:22

And I understand the aspect. I know a couple years ago there was over four million dollars in receivables that was written off deemed not collectible and I think it's important when we're going to be looking at raising utility rates, we need to understand if we're billing people who are not paying It's not fair for the people who are paying for raising the rates because people aren't paying. But it's important to see what we have in there.

Another important number is page 94. I remember when this number was actually even, the number of people working and enough people retired or potentially going to receive. And the point of fact is you have 987 people that are ready to receive or are receiving benefits and you only have 280 active members. And people wonder why your pension obligations are going up and up? This is a key aspect of it And it's also the simple fact that you have 274 inactive members entitled but not yet receiving benefits.

As 274 people, you don't really know what that variable is. And that's a number that we had, what was it? The guy worked in the water department here 30 years ago. Got a job retired somewhere else as a city manager making $400,000 a year. Here he was making a little more minimum wage and the obligation we have on that was just phenomenal. So it makes it very hard for you guys to get that moving target.

Page 113, thank you for doing that. And I think it's important going back and reading these people, anybody who might read them. I've gone back 25 years or so reading the other ones to learn what happened at the time and what we're moving forward with but it's important that we make these statements so that people in the future can understand what we're doing.

So where I know in the past, the city manager when he was kind of probably in Matt's seat, we fixed some inter fund transfers from like 07-08 that were kinda got lost a couple of them got lost out and get them straightened out The critical page I think you're looking at is page 125, which probably it's kind of in the middle of the book and it is the spine of the book. And that's kind of the over under number.

In the most critical number that's in here is that $944,000 that was in finance and city treasurer. Very concerned when we do stuff like that. That's almost a million dollars. It wasn't anticipated and has gone. I know there's a discussion going to be coming up on if utilities can reimburse that, or if that's general fund. My understanding is that's general fund. That's a lot of money. That's all the cop cars we just bought just got lost here by the Treasury Department.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:37:15

So the primary reason for that was credit card fees by utility people paying their utility bills. We don't recoup those fees and they had really skyrocketed until last April. We negotiated a lower rate, and I say last year it was 1.5 million, almost 1.6 million in credit card fees. This year we've cut it to about 500,000. So we've cut it by over $1 million this year, and we will be under budget on that line item in the current

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:37:48

year. That's good. There's a way, I think Santa Barbara just did it like... It's the convenience fee That they're charging people who are using their car, they're passing it through the person using a card. If we go pass this to people who pay cash for the utilities that's not cost of service for those people buying their utilities and that's why General Fund generally eats this and it stinks as a big chunk of money we lost And there's actually watching the county supervisor in their budget talks today, I learned something today that there is actually a penal code that's involved with this. That at the county level if a director does something like that they can actually be held liable themselves.

And I brought to the attention to the city attorney. I'd never heard that before and sure enough, there's a code at the county level now quite possibly so there is ways of potentially recovering this and I was gonna make a motion to see if we could investigate this either it was case law or something that was out there or another code. There's a statement that I got here that says It's very concerning, we do. That's why we put that $100,000 limited in there following forward in the future you were asking what happens to that? We have that limiter in there it gives them a buffer to get up to 100,000 they got to come to the council and see what's going on. We either say yay or nay to more monies but it's very hard to hit a target on a budget when you have this kind of revenue but it says The City Council must control city finances through the budget and no money be drawn from the treasury except in accordance with our appropriations authorized by the City Council.

Now we didn't authorize that, and we got chewed out like Starbucks was on way back when 16 years ago when a grand jury said lack of oversight. And it's very difficult for us to do oversight this is our time getting oversight money has been spent a while ago And the only way, a lot of time we have to do is reverse engineering this. We did try to do that with the budget. We tried to do it some seven years ago and I guess the language had some finesse components in it allowed people to get through there but it makes it very difficult for everybody else and then we go and ask people you know like like the downside well how did we survive? Well it wasn't the City of Lompoc Council but PD, You guys left $1.2 million on the table in your budget, and thank goodness you did or we wouldn't have...

We would have been a negative budget. So it wasn't the Council withheld funds for you, you had an extra $1.2 million that was approved by the Council for you guys to spend and for other reasons it didn't happen. And the reason why I state this is sometimes people get confused and say Council cut our budget. Well, budgetary-wise it wasn't cut by this Council. It was cut by other actions.

So I carry on here a little bit, and it says city departments cannot spend money unless it has been appropriated in the adopted city budget. And expenditures must be authorized again by the City Council through the budget or later council action. That's a bid amendment or a transfer. Point of fact is how did this get authorized to be spent?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:41:18

It was, I mean it was expended. It was transferred from our bank account as a bank fee

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:41:26

that had to be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:41:26

done.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:41:27

What I'm trying to do is find ways that we make sure that we can wrap around this earlier on and I think it was me going to Matt a while back and going what the heck's happening? I happened to find it through another level and sure enough he uncovered it and went to city manager and you guys got on top of it We have a budgetary analyst.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:42:13

We haven't had any staff additions in the last couple of years.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:42:19

My question for this, and I would need some of the council members to go through and see if we could authorize the city attorney to find out other avenues or codes that might be in there to strengthen our ability to possibly recoup the money or put teeth in it so we don't lose $944,000? So, can I get two other head nods to go along with something like that?

Council Member Bridge. Council Member Starbuck. To do that so it authorizes the city attorney to see if there's something we're missing here so we can get... And I'm not picking on anybody. Our lack of oversight. We're the ones that always get the fingers pointed at. It's always our fault up here and sometimes the last people to know, right? The good thing on this page is down here, the net change in fund balance. We increased $412,000. So we had balanced budget, we went over that but again another thing that happened in there is the fire department kudos to you guys.

You guys were how much was that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:43:35

229,000

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:36

under budget. So good job. Good job, which helps out all the way up while working together as a team to get here. I would like

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:44:13

And see if

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:44:22

we need to do some sort of policy change resolution or ordinance. Then the city manager can bring it forward just that we allow us to charge and recapture those once people are picking utility fees on their credit card is presented So thank you, Matt. On page 126 and 127 I think this is very important to see what's going on with us in the total pension liability line that's about a third of the way down when you see in 2020 our total pension liability was 195 million dollars.

Our total pension liability in 2025 has increased to 250 million dollars Now granted, we did a good job because we got a big bite that were of the unfunded component. We're wrestling but remember whenever we're doing things down the road and raises is such are being passed out this is how this number goes the way it's going. That's a quarter of a billion dollars little Lompoc has in pension obligation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:45:28

Yeah if I can my under Matt will correct me if I'm wrong here but if you take that note the net pension liability down like We're doing good with that unfunded aspect, but also we still have a whole bunch of people who can retire or aren't retired. We don't know what they are yet. That hidden number

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:46:06

I get it. No, just people need to be mindful on what we got going on. I'll leave the OPEB alone. So going to page 204 this is a very telling number and this is what comes to quality of life in in Lompoc and recently at an event that the base had, Council Member Ball was there and such. And it was a discussion of how do we get everybody who's working out the base with the good jobs in our valley? It's about quality of life.

If we can't attract the people in this town, and the reason why I bring this if you look at the other retail sales stores, and you look at that value that's there, you go back to 2021 at $197 million All right? 2022, 191 million. 2023, 179 million. 2024, 171. That's the wrong direction. And granted, there could be a lot of different reasons for it. But likewise if you look at all other outlets, you look at that number too and the trend line on that one isn't healthy. That doesn't take into account for 30% inflation during the same time frame.

So these businesses, these other retail stores are 30% less than what they were four years ago. And again, this is a point about all the vacancies in our town. We don't need some consultant to tell us these numbers are here and it's why I appreciate you guys putting this book together. We spend time reading and see what's going on and we've got to do everything we can to change these things around and move these numbers in the other direction.

Moving on page 221, and I realize this is about the Wastewater Utility Fund. And it's our gross wastewater revenues. Now this could also include some transfers in there but that first line in 2022 we were 15.7, 2023 we were 17.4. 2024, 16.3 and 2025 we dropped down to 15.6. Why are we making less money? Why is there less revenue coming into the wastewater plant?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:48:25

I don't know for sure but I believe people are using less water and we build based on water consumption.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:48:31

So we haven't raised their water value if you look over at page 220 you'll see that our revenue there in that same time frame went from 12.6 to 11.9 to 12.8 to 12 8 so it appears we're using This meeting is But these are concerning when we see numbers like that. And we should be seeing them a lot earlier, but maybe somebody could find that answer of what we're doing. I know Wastewater used to have last year about $13.1 million in their bank and concerning what's going on.

And I know I got a couple more please bear with me. It's a very concerning number, page 223 and that's the per capita income number. And this is a number that I look at when we decide we're gonna raise rates and do everything else that we're going to do. If you go back and you look 10 years previous to that, we were actually at 20,000. That number in 07-08 was 20,00 was the per capita number. We dipped down to 18,000 in about 2013. Then went to 19-19, 20,017. We finally crawled over 22,000 in 2019. That's not a very big climb when you consider in 0 7ish we were sitting at 20 thousand And that doesn't take account for inflation.

And as you crawl up into 24, then we went down to 23,000 in 21 and 22 into 24 and yeah, 23 and 24, we creeped up to 27,000 but a lot of that was mandated minimum wage increases yet these still don't account for an inflationary component so the people outside city halls walls let me tell you they're not getting any equity pay adjustments And that's the components, when you put all these together and you realize how are people, how is City Hall getting fixed? How is City Hall getting more money?

In one of the ways is through creativity. There's items that are happening and one is that allocation plan but the people outside are having less money to live on. These are very telling sections. When we look at something in a rate increase that we're looking at doing I'm very concerned where the people get in their money and what are they doing without to cover these utility bills that are coming down. Not to be mean to City Hall, but understanding so many people are having a very difficult time in paying their bills.

And it may sound petty when somebody's making $300,000 a year, but when our per capita income outside here is $26-$27,000, it's significant on the outside. This brings me back to the last thing with this, and that is page 42 and 43. I'm very concerned with a statement that was made in here. Granted, they're entitled to make a statement but I'm not going to ask that we do an amendment to this page. And the reason for it being it's an addition added two nailed on the back whatever you needed to do. When people look in the future and they're gonna look at this and this is about the development impact fees and the statements made in here how the city's losing money blah blah blah well guess what?

We've been having development We've been flatlined. Last year we built zero single family residence, the year before that we built two. It's two houses in two years. Yes, the statement in here is to potentially get development but the reason for it is and if you go back and review that meeting that we had this study that was brought in front of us was flawed.

I said the F word, flawed. Could have said another one but it was bad They were using San Diego numbers. They had projects in there that we weren't going to do. We're not doing the Central Avenue extension, yet we're going to build new development for a project we weren't going to do. I could go on and on and on with the flawed component. I did that day. I had 100 in that list of flawed statements that were made in that report.

That's why it was killed. Likewise, that's number one. Number two, the reason why the development type fees... We already raised the rates in the utilities to cover the expansion that we put on. The wastewater plant expansion that we grew and spent $105 million on, we already raised the rates to cover the bond covenants. We already raised the rates for the water department to cover their restrictions on that. We already raised the rates to cover the purchase of new trash trucks. All that has already been done.

So this is a flawed statement as stated in here and I would like And the reason for it is historically down the road, if somebody happens to take a look at it I'd like to be there on a page as per the council stating why we modify the development impact fees. And that is a statement here stating that without this we won't know how much it's going to cost. We lost $7.1 million. Houses weren't being built.

Our population is almost identical as it was 25 years ago. And one of the reasons is a $38,000 impact fee that was going on houses that if you put out advertised over 30 years at 6%, 7% you're looking at a $90 million debt on a house. So that's why we did what we did to stop the inflationary component stimulate development. William Holmes said that was the best news he'd heard on the West Coast United States. He was gonna build all of his homes. He wouldn't have built all of them if we hadn't done what we did So that's where we have people looking at our properties as well. So I would need two other people to add an amended page to be glued to hard books or added electronically on there, if I could get two other council people to support something like that and then I'll shut up after that.

You know what? He's for me shutting up anyways. Councilor Starbuck, would you support something like that? Yeah. Council Member Bridge? Yes okay. All right, and thank you guys. I do appreciate this and it really is a very important book. I remember when I first got on council it was a rubber stamp like wait there's so much good information in here. This is what makes the council understand what the heck's going on so we can make important decisions.

And this is the oversight aspect and we're the oversight over the oversight So thank you guys. Council Member Ridge?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:55:29

Yeah, I just wanted to clarify there was quite a bit of discussion there about exceeding the budget and my concern was and I understand life happens but It seems like there ought to be some monthly trigger, some more frequent trigger that if we are exceeding a budget line item then it comes back to us. I know we've established a lower city manager's ability but this is more about managing in real time and not waiting until we get this great document and find out hey What the hell?

So there was that and then the second item, and this will probably be for the next meeting. But are we servicing the water loan now? Excuse me? Are we servicing the loan, the $7.5 million? Are we servicing that to get it paid?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:56:29

Solid Waste is paying the interest on that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:56:32

No, that's not servicing. That's an interest only loan. Are we servicing the loan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:56:38

We are going to be bringing back, I think it was left that we would leave $2 million in the loan and pay back 5.1 million of it and we'll be bringing that back probably in April to evaluate where we can pull those funds from to do that but right now the loan was set up as interest only so that's We'll be paying back the $5 million of it before the end of the fiscal year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:57:07

Here's what hurts my head on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:57:08

that,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:57:10

we got a big presentation to do lease buyback which was a fancy way to go borrow the money and everybody stood up in front of us and said we can service that We can pay that money, and I don't understand why we're not paying it now. Why we're not paying back the money that was borrowed every month? And if it's $50k a month, you said you could service this big lease-back program. I do not understand why you can't just service the loan. So in next week's or next time we're talking about mid-year, I'm going to be harping on that a bunch. So fair armed or fair

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction1:57:48

warned? If I could add. Yeah. We weren't in a financial position in order to pay it. That's why we did the interest only for the two years and that's why Bob is bringing it back so we can rectify that situation but we were not in a position. That's why we had to do 15% increase, 15% increase. We are now in that position.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:58:09

That's great. But again, we were made a presentation that if we'd have approved it, we would've gone and done a lease pay, lease buyback program and you would've serviced that loan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:58:20

By June 30th. Okay. The process would have taken until... So next

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:58:24

week or next meeting, we're going to get a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:58:26

plan since April-ish? April. The hearing was going to be in April so because there is no hearing on the rate increases, we are going to be doing that at April instead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:58:41

Okay, and that's going to be on the upcoming agenda list. And that date is not going to move? No. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:58:51

Thank you guys. Let me get the public comment. We don't need public comment for this? You didn't identify it City Manager? Let's do it anyways. Come on down, public comment. Everybody wants to talk about this one. This is on the financial report.

CommentRobert Richard Hargraves IIIProposedself-stated1:59:14

Again, my name is Robert Richard Hargraves III. I am the owner of Solvang Skate Shop. That was very concerning hearing about the fact that there could be mismanagement in funds regarding the $3.6 million grant that was awarded to the City of Lompoc Parks and Recreation Department for a skate park. I don't know if there is an oversight committee on that, it doesn't seem like it. We've requested several key components and information about this project over the last five years.

It is now due to go to RFP on March 6th And I have been notified that potentially $2 million has been spent on bathrooms, equipment and lights. Leaving $1.6 million for the skate park and the overall surrounding park. So unless the toilets are made of gold and the lights are gonna be on 24-7, I'm not really sure how that much money has been spent on that equipment.

My biggest concern is that this skateboarding community will lose out by not having some insight, some input and being able to be a part of the decision making of the overall design. It is a little bit actually it's a lot of it too advanced for a beginner skateboarder As a 30-year veteran skateboarder, professional, I travel the world. And I see this common mistake where the city or the people that put the skate park in place aren't the people that use the skate park and they become unusable and they become a home for vagrancy, drugs, alcohol, and safety being the biggest concern I would hate that to be the thing that happens in our city of Lompoc as a resident and also as somebody who is at the grand opening for the current skate park.

I really want to make sure we ensure we can drive business to the City of Solvang just by a skate park. I know that because I travel the world to go to skate parks. I teach people how to skateboard, and I've had several parents tell me their biggest concern is that we get a skate park that their kids can go to and use because of safety and also because of the situations that present themselves at skate parks typically. If we can keep the kids on skateboards and keep them off of the ledges sitting down.

I think that would help with the idle hands, or the hands of the devil. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:02:12

Anybody else for the budget book? Do we have anything to say about the budget book? Let him get away with that one. We'll give you some more time too.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:02:22

About the budget book, anybody on that? Our annual conference of financial report

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:02:29

that you just spoke about earlier.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:02:32

Just book

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:02:32

right here, yes. Another? Okay. We'll give you some more time later too. All right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:02:43

Excuse me Mr. Mayor I'd also like to point out that is available on our website the ACPR so if anyone doesn't want the printed version.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:02:52

That would be a best seller too, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:02:54

Absolutely.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:02:55

You signing books in the entranceway in here? Okay. Do we need anything else just except you don't need any motions anymore? We got enough on that, okay very good. Okay next staff presentation police department staff to provide a presentation regarding recent drug use and under the influence issues inside City of Lompoc.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:03:21

Good evening Mayor, Council. At your request we have brought back a presentation regarding drug use in the community. These are the numbers from January of 25 through present. So 11-550 H&S, H& S stands for Health and Safety Code it is the primary misdemeanor statute for The D.A.' 's office will use in front of the judge which is diversion programs, court diversion orders, treatment court programming and that is only for certain eligible Individuals, those that are repeat offenders of this sometimes are going to face mandatory stay time.

And so it really is about the individuals. So in the last year we had 71 incidents of under the influence. Primary or peak months were May and June, most common window was from 12 in the afternoon until 6 p.m.. Number of arrests were on 8th Street and Ocean Avenue. This is a breakdown of spikes and monthly arrests. You can see that May and June, we typically see more under the influence.

Next slide. So our midday afternoon time is usually when we see most of the arrests. And then overnight hours, it starts to drop off. What I want everybody to remember in regards to this is this is not just the unhoused in our community. This is in people's homes and different contexts that we may come in contact with somebody who shows symptomology of under the influence. Next slide.

This is a heat map. We have a service that we use called, through LexisNexis, called Accurant that takes our data from our CAD system and gives us the ability to map it. The brighter areas, the orange, the yellows, the reds show you a more intense area where we tend to see these kind of crimes and then you can see how it spreads out. Next slide shows a little closer view.

There were 15 contacts along H Street, 10 on Ocean Avenue, 5 on G Street. And when you see Civic Center or Plaza that's typically the probation or the police department itself so you can't get too caught up on that. Next one. So what are we doing? What are the next steps? We've prioritized directed patrol during the midday afternoon hours With a focused attention on the corridor areas of 8th Street and Ocean Ave.

We're also asking the officers to have more field contacts, and potentially get into situations where they might come in contact with more individuals that may be under the influence. So currently we have a directed enforcement, nine days for two-person detail to go out on six hour shifts to visibly enforce these laws. I've redirected the special investigations unit who typically work in the evening late hours for gang problems and violent crime issues to this specific problem so they're more in that noon to six hours So when did you implement your task forces, or whatever you call them?

Last week, it was the following week after the last council meeting.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:07:54

Okay and are you noticing there's a group of solid citizens in the middle of that? Solid group?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:08:05

I don't think you can identify one group of individuals in the community. I think addiction problems touch every aspect of life in the community and Depending on the reason for our contact, could be a traffic stop. Could be a bicycle stop. It could be disturbance. The officers who are trained in understanding what under the influence presents to them can act on that and then potentially investigate whether they are or not.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:08:32

And what's the standard? You have the incident, you find a person under the influence. What's the standard results?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:08:39

So what will typically happen is the officers well first off officers have to be trained on how to investigate under their influence and we send them to a three-to-forty school to do that once they're certified in that and they can recognize the symptomology And they've determined based on the evaluation that they conduct, there's a number of things that they go through to do that.

They'll make a decision to arrest. Once that person is arrested, they'll be brought back to the jail and they'll be held for a minimum of six hours. It's enough time for the drugs get out of their system so they're not a danger to themselves or the public if we were to release them. There are occasions when six hours isn't enough And in those situations, we'll take them to the hospital, have them checked out and then we'll put him back into the jail until they start showing signs of being sober.

Then once they've met that requirement, unless they are a repeat offender, in other words more than once in that day, they will receive a citation with a court date and then they'll have to appear in court and be held in front of the judge to explain, find out what's gonna happen to him basically.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:09:47

So are more than 10% of the contacts ending up arrested?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:09:53

Oh, all of them. If they're under the influence, they're going to be arrested.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:09:56

They're all getting... All those incidents were

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:09:58

arrested. There's a liability for the police department if we were to take somebody who was under the influence and walk away from it and they go out and get run over by a car, we're liable for that so we take him all to jail. We let him sober up and then we release him.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:10:12

Thank you. So I reached out to the hospital and in the year of 2025, the hospital had 48 overdoses that they had in their hospital as well. I imagine added on to your number you might have some that you dropped off there as well but I did see a significant reduction recently over that. You guys, definitely looks good. Remember the numbers I was just talking about these tax numbers that we need to increase and fill these vacant properties and get the people from the base living here, the quality of life aspect is important and the base commander said The people that are coming there, they're gonna drive the main streets and they're gonna see what they see and make a decision whether they're gonna be Orchard, Santa Maria or Lompoc. So it is very important.

I did go out today. I saw two people burning aluminum foil behind Ross which generally is a telltale sign that you're up to something no good with a torch below it at the transformer behind the wall there. There was one guy who was dosing out right there by Starbucks. There's another guy on the entrance into Walmart But generally speaking, I would say it was reduced by 80% from my normal drive-arounds. I've taken the city manager out a number of times and I think he's pretty surprised. I know most of them on a first name basis and we know their drug of choice and they reach out to me as well over the last year or so plus I've actually passed out about two cases of Narcans to people in doing what I do out there. So I do see a significant difference Please do the best you can and keep it up on that.

We know we need more revenues, and this is key one is that appearance. I did talk to several vendors or merchants out there, and it's sad when somebody has to lock their door when their customer comes in because they're afraid who the next person's coming in. And we can't have business owners being afraid to operate businesses in town. I've had several tenants leave the town because of the issues that were coming on with drug-related issues?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:12:20

What we would ask of the police department is when people see somebody that is causing those kind of situations, that they call us. And many times we don't get those phone calls and I'd also ask the council to remember and as most of you are well aware, today I think we had a supervisor and five officers out there but they're handling anywhere from 60 to 100 calls in a 12 hour time frame And depending on what type of call, it can be extended. So when their free time is available and they're out patrolling then they can find a lot of that stuff but if it's a busy day and they're going call to call we don't always have the opportunity It's

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:13:13

And there's a multiple mass repeat offenders. And he was out there, he was actually half rummied out over by Walmart today I saw him. He'd been in county for about a year got out and is already partying so it is critical for the people who are having these businesses and they're afraid. I've personally lost a potential large investor who wouldn't even get out of his car when he came to town. Somebody's burning fentanyl on one of my properties. They didn't go to their cars. Why am I coming to your town?

And this is what hurts our bottom line.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:13:45

I don't disagree with you, Mr. Mayor. You know we're working as hard as we can and we're doing everything we can to get our staffing back up so we can have that presence out there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:13:52

Okay, I appreciate that. Council Member Ball?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:13:56

Yeah, I think I just want to follow-up with that and no argument we've definitely disagreed on some of this but I think the mayor mentioned that we definitely need to increase revenues and again I think you've illustrated a perfect example of where If we're lucky, we may have really nice streets in a few years. But you're still at a deficit in terms of service levels to attack an issue that continues to be challenging.

So again I hope that we figure out you know, a way to answer that hard challenge which is again if you've got 60 calls that are take priority over just cruising around through town seeing who's doing drugs. You don't have enough staff right now to address this and improve or guarantee that there's a measurable improvement in quality of life. It seems always behind the eight ball on this issue of enforcement and I think that's related to staffing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:14:56

Well, I think with the funding that the council has given us previously with the homeless liaison positions and what we're going to see in May with the drone as first responder. Once these officers are trained three in the academy right now or testing, we have interviews this week next week for the final positions that we can still fund and fill. We will have We'll have the staffing back up to where it will be healthy again, and I think the huge difference is going to be the drona's first responder. So when those people call in, Mr. Mayor and the drone can launch from the roof of the police department and get there in 30 seconds we're going to see it. We're going to be able to coach people in and we'll be able to deal with it even if they take off.

I think there's going to be huge changes in the near future and hopefully we don't lose any officers for other agencies and we can really get staff to a level where the community really feels that effect and feels better about driving through the city.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:15:59

And then thank you for that. One more question, you had put up on there the heat maps and again that only means what it means but have you extrapolated anything from those heat maps or the quantity of things happening in certain parts of town? Is there is that related to access or causation anything that you've been able...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:16:18

Well I think what it does for us is when we have these directed enforcement teams they can focus on a specific area if that's where the trend is where the use is taking place now they can really It gives the special investigations unit an opportunity to look at where are the sources of those drugs coming from and can they do anything on their level via long-term So I think, you know, patience is the big word right now. And I think come the end of the year we'll see things differently with all the technology that we're launching and how we're moving forward to fight crime in the city.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:17:06

I'm very hopeful. It'll be an interesting experiment over the next year to see how that all comes out. But it's not on you alone to answer how to improve quality of life, it's on all of us to figure out how to make sure you're sustained and that instead of it maybe being four bodies and a supervisor we someday hopefully get to five or six because I feel like that would allow you to address some of these other things

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:17:31

And I'd also ask the council and the public to remember that we're doing our part. We're arresting people, those 71 people were arrested. I need my other partners in the court side to do their part and hold them and get them through that process and have some accountability there because of what's ultimately happening as we're arresting And those cases where they end up due going to court and maybe in the county jail for a period of time, they're getting right out. So it's just a circle that we'll just keep doing our part but it you know... It's frustrating talking about this. It's a circle yeah. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:06

you. I haven't seen more recent numbers. I know the sheriff had Project Opioid he had the numbers on. We were well over 100 couple years ago people who died in opioid deaths in this town And we're probably scratching close to the 140 mark. I mean, it's in five years. That's a lot of bodies out there. Not all on the street but it's been...I know our numbers have gone down but that's because a lot of people are dead and can't die again.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:18:36

Thank you. I think it's helpful to saving lives. It doesn't cure the addiction, but if the fire chief, I don't know if he has any of those stats. I know we have not seen deployment of Narcan and in some time. I think that people are recognizing the dangers

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:55

It's all in front.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:19:24

Chief, I want to thank you guys for doing what you do. What can we do for you guys that maybe it's not explained out here? I think Councilmember Ball is actually going in that direction to find out. You guys get kind of beat up a little bit but there's something we can do that we haven't addressed or something with the current funding, or direction that you guys need to do to make you guys even look better than you do.

I'd like to know because sometimes we wonder and we just ask questions and say why didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? It'd be nice to know for all of us to ask you guys once in a while, because I'm not sure if the gang unit ever got put back together or not. Or if you guys were just making it work. You know? I remember back years back we had a gang task force and things like that that you had.

And also one of the questions would be for anybody calling into the PD, you have this AI voicemail I called in and It's strange, you know what I mean? It's strange. I didn't really know how to do it. I thought I was at Taco Bell and they were going to get my order wrong, so anyway, I'm not sure if you have any advice for anybody calling in and it's going to take your voicemail and someone is going to address it even if it's on a weekend, I believe.

Not sure. Maybe you could

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:20:43

say something about that. So they're still working through the scenarios that the AI will respond to, in other words. They're doing five types of calls each week to get it to the point where when you actually do call into the police department, you're not going to be put into a general mailbox somewhere. My hope is that when we're finally done with the programming side of this somebody calls in other than after hours or on the weekends they're gonna end up talking to somebody right? Even if they're calling the Detective Bureau right?

You may go to a voicemail on the weekends or after hours for that So we'll have that all tuned up. And if the AI picks up on keywords that makes it believe that this is urgent or there is an officer that's needed, it will automatically transfer to the dispatcher so the dispatcher takes a call and can sort it out.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:21:38

It's different. I just thought I'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:21:40

mention that because

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:21:40

people

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:21:41

are

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:21:41

calling.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:21:42

But it is going to lessen the load The call volume into the dispatch center so the dispatchers are better.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:21:48

I thought it was going to say call back on Monday or something.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:21:51

No, we'll never do that. We're a 24-7 operation. In regards to your first comment about what you can do for us just be patient like I said before let's get our staffing back up. Let's get these new programs launched and really evaluate how we're doing and what's going on. You know, with everything that's taken place even out of this last group I think I can only hire two more people to get us fully staffed. But you always have to remember it's that training aspect of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:22:21

it. Right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:22:22

So we're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:22:23

good there. And you know staffing wise it's good to hear that you're going to be fully staffed. It's kind I know you're always, you have somebody always kind of out of, they're just out of action. You know what I mean? And hopefully it's not so many who can't function without a full staff because I know you've been shorthanded for a long time. So I'm just, I know things happen in the workplace. I'm not sure how many things

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:22:49

happen. We all want the city to be healthy financially because when the city is healthy financially then we're not cut to the bone where When people are calling out SIG, we have to always hire somebody on overtime. So when the city's doing great and you guys can help us get more numbers out there then we all win. Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:23:06

I just thought I'd ask because you probably don't get asked enough sometimes we ask for funding in a certain way but it kind of gets to be a rhetoric. You know everybody wants money and I know you guys can't get enough money but I think if it's presented correctly, we probably can get you a few more things if we have to. You know what I mean? Because we just need to be more adult and mature and serious about it. So I think presentation is key so thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:23:31

You're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:23:32

welcome. Remember in the budget, we allowed you to super staff like two positions so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:23:37

do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:23:37

it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:23:38

Right

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:23:39

and I'm careful of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:23:39

that because I don't want to go over the top

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:23:42

You're authorized to do that. That way we fill those holes, we need to get more money in the machine because we have somebody else looking at the 99 cent store and the way it was today when I went by had been looking really good but there were two in there they were pretty messed up right in front of the store. We don't want to scare anybody away. We need to fill these vacant places up so kudos to the guys who showed up that night, the guy with a machete who I walked out whatever it was he had big old knife on him that night he was pretty dosed out on whatever he was on And I mean, it was really sometimes when you're in those kind of positions seems like hours before things happen. Seems like seconds and the guys were there so good job they calm that situation down and got the guy hopefully they got him to help he needs.

Yeah, I think he needs a lot of help. You don't walk around with a big old knife like that hanging on now not down on his hip in his hand. I put a video out there as well. So you wanted to see the evidence on that but I didn't hear you guys did a great job. So thank you guys.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:24:36

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:24:37

Is there any do I need public comment on that one? Yep, public comment. Here we go, come on down. Thank you Chief.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:24:49

Karen Howenstine, I have a public comment constructive criticism. We're a very small town. We're only two miles by two miles and even though we want to keep our police force fully staffed, we are top heavy There's plainclothes policemen, police people who we don't see them out in the community. Why can't Chief Martin send some of his non-uniformed officers out in the community to encounter the people who are on drugs?

Get them to think that the plainclothes people are actually tracking them or investigating them Might be a deterrent. I'd like to see it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:25:50

Anybody else on this item? All right, seeing nobody else rise we'll close public comment and bring it back to oral communications. Now's your time, three minutes. Talk about the Lompoc stuff. Thank you guys for waiting.

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:26:17

Good evening honorable mayor, council members, city staff and everyone in attendance. My name is John Rohner and I wanted to introduce myself as the new public affairs manager for SoCalGas. I cover San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara County. I like to say my coverage territory is Hearst Castle to Carpinteria, and it's the best. It's the best coverage territory there is.

And I recently took over this role after Tim Mahoney retired a middle of last year, and I wanted to say that SoCal Gas remains committed to supporting local governments' communities to provide safe, reliable, and affordable energy delivery today ready for tomorrow. And please don't hesitate to reach out, and I look forward to working with every one of you. And thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:04

Quick question for you. We have something coming up on the franchise agreement we have with you.

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:27:08

Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:09

Are you involved with the discussions that are coming up? Is

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:27:13

it a franchise agreement or is it maybe a blanket permitting?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:17

What we have for operating in the City of Lompoc dating back from what 1928 or something like that? Yeah, a bunch of barnacles on the old documents and stuff. I don't know if you saw there's a certain section of our town that's the pilot program that's going to no longer get gas? So this

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:27:33

is the decarbonization. Well yeah, that's kind of up to the community. They have to vote on that, I believe it's like two-thirds...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:45

We were kind of voluntold This was happening.

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:27:49

No, there's definitely parameters to that that are put forth by the CPUC. Can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:56

you leave your information with the city manager there? Absolutely did. We can try to connect up with this and figure out what the heck is going on because I know we've got about 600 or 800 homes that are being voluntold that they're gonna be electrified.

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:28:07

Right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:08

So

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:28:08

there we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:09

go.

CommentJohn RohnerProposedself-stated2:28:09

That's definitely concerning. Thank

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction2:28:11

you, yeah. And also just to update, we got a webinar coming up that we're going to listen in on what some of the things that they're proposing. I think originally it was called like Santa Maria Gas or something and a long time ago we went back with all agreements.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:25

Make sure you leave your card he can hook you up with that seminar show. Yeah,

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction2:28:28

I got it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:28

All right.

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction2:28:29

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:29

you. Good deal thank you. We're working on it. Anybody else? Skateboard, you got any more talks about skateboard stuff? Come on up this is your time!

CommentAlejandro RazoProposedself-stated2:28:46

Mayor, Council, my name is Alejandro Razo. I'm here to petition the Skate Park Project Design Safety and Community Benefits for a petition for delay of the RFP, a request for oversight to make sure that the money, the dollar grant is not being misspent and only efficiently being spent for the whole community. I was here at the second meeting for the skate park and I just described the benefits of a skate park for our community. It keeps kids out of trouble, I know it kept me and my friends out of trouble from getting into things that obviously our surrounding environment exposes us to.

The efficiency of a skate park, the safety of a skate park, how it operates. I've been skateboarding for 27 years so I know all about it. It's not like we're asking for more money to be spent or it's just us that want a specific design for ourselves but we wanted for the kids, for intermediate, for obviously advanced. And what it can actually do for the city as well. A lot of us, I mean skateboarding's a big thing in our society right now. It's in the Olympics so it can bring revenue to cities as well. It can bring people to our cities and it's a big thing. I mean millions of skateboarders go to different cities and they just bring you know but um...

So basically They had an oversight or a plan, or pattern for the original design. And then they brought all us skateboarders together, veterans, kids and we had two meetings. I wasn't at the first but I came to the second and it was to put our input on how to create the skate park. And that's what pretty much every city does, pretty much. Every city doesn't just go on the opinion of the person that's in charge of Parks and Rec or City Council and stuff. Obviously they get the input from the actual people that do it and know about it. So that's what we're inputting on. And apparently it was just pretty much thrown to the side and not even taken into consideration whatsoever. So they're pretty much is going with the original skate park design But from our experience, Robert and Lawrence and many other people, there's a hazard within the skate park being made.

The way that it's made is a hazard to people using certain parts of it so we want to make sure there's not hazards in it. We want to make sure it's efficiently spent with the money. We also just want to make sure that everything flows better and brings our community together because as I said in the second one, the second meeting that we had We want to get kids interested in an activity to keep them out of trouble and influence them in another way. Our city's small, there's no bowling alley, there's only one movies, right? Like we don't have nothing to do in this city so it would be best for us to have something that...

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:31:57

You're three minutes, Scutley is up there but wrap it up real fast. We can hear you Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:32:21

you.

CommentLawrence Anthony DanielProposedself-stated2:32:23

Members, my name is Lawrence Anthony Daniel. Like Junior was saying, skateboarding is a big part of Lompoc. I moved here 10 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona which is a big skateboarding community. The skateboarding community here the past 10 years has grown and evolved in a way. I know like he's saying it's an Olympic sport now We actually had last year the bronze medalist, Nigel Houston come to Lompoc. I don't know anywhere else in Lompoc where an Olympic athlete has shown up to use those facilities of a city in Lompoc.

I don't know any other Olympic athlete that's used anything here besides this skate park. We have tennis courts, we have all these other things but nobody uses them like the skate park I am a father of five kids. I take my skateboard, my kids skateboarding there all the time. It's a place for them to relieve from the schools. A lot of times the schools have problems with bullying and everything else. The skate park you can meet friends, you can be yourself. You have more time to express and just kind of be yourself.

So I would like to see the skate park maybe paused, revisited That way we can kind of determine the skateboarders, let the skateboarders build the skate park. Because if you guys just let anybody design a skate park it's going to get failures. Pros are going to come from out of town from LA to here and say hey Lompoc had all this money they failed to use it in a good way.

Any failure is not good for us. We want to make money off of it. It's one of the things, if we're granted all this money, we should be using the money for our kids' future. That's what I'm really here, that's why I'm voicing my opinion. I don't want my kids to get a crappy skate park. I would rather them get a really nice skate park and just be good through life and for future generations of skateboarders just have a nice park.

And everything too with it being an Olympic sport, it's kind of nice that it's bled into that because now skateboarding isn't just these kids are just rambling on the street doing anything. They actually have somewhere to go. We're not grinding the stairs of the high school or the stairs down the street in a building and getting kicked out from police officers saying we've got to get trespassed for skateboarding. If we have a nice skate park, we don't need to get trespassed. So I would like us to revisit the skateboard park, kind of put a pause on those things.

Sorry, I'm not the greatest with words but heart's in it. I would like for me to see Lompoc have a good skate park so that I can remain here because I feel like too as a community member, we had the meetings and they didn't go anywhere. My voice wasn't heard. You guys want to hear our voice. That's why I'm here today, so that's just my thing. Thank you guys for hearing my voice.

Have a wonderful night!

CommentRobert Richard Hargraves IIIProposedself-stated2:35:33

I don't think I need to introduce myself again, but just to hit on the point of revenue generating. Skate parks can and do and will if they're designed the right way generate revenue for a city. People will come here from out of town. They will spend money at the gas stations. They need to get food. They'll eat. They'll also maybe stay the night. I put on events in Solvang, I get about 300 to 350 people to show up for those events.

Most of them do stay the night and it's usually a family of three to five. They're gonna go out to eat, they're gonna spend money. It's definitely a net benefit for our city. I also believe that if we have a skate park that is too advanced, that it will increase injuries which would only increase the calls to the police further taking them away from the things that we've discussed here tonight. That they need to do and focus on more of less of the vagrancy drugs alcohol that would happen at a skate park that's not being used properly We have a fully functioning skate park now that's out of date.

And we're going to replace it with a design that is also out of date. This design was designed in 2022, and I really think that we should revisit the design process and maybe pump the brake a little bit. I know there's a grant that we've been awarded. Potentially money has been spent. I'm also aware that there is another round of the exact same grant I think that this is an opportunity for our city to do good for not just the skateboarders but for the community of Lompoc, to provide them with positive recreational activities that promote positive lifestyles.

I agree that Lompoc needs that. I am somebody who has gone through drug addiction and alcohol abuse. I'm six years clean from drugs, two years clean from alcohol. I am completely sober and I believe that skateboarding and God are a complete testament to that. I think that's what our city is missing is positive recreation but first and foremost a god aspect to it I don't know where the process is at the moment, but it's on paper.

I'm talking about concrete that has not been poured and a grant that can be reapplied for. We can pump the brake and really make a difference in this community. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:38:30

Can you guys please make sure the city clerk has your information? Contact information okay? Not just your talker slips, but your speaker slips. But maybe phone numbers and names to make sure that... Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:38:49

I want to echo my support for revisiting the skate park. And about two-and-a-half years ago, I encountered someone there who was connected to a professional skater and there was even interest in the companies that sponsor and things like that, they are looking for venues that have competition-able spaces. So if you put staff on this to research and get into this it might really be an opportunity one that we already have funded So that's very important.

I want to, on my general comment, I want to echo or I want to present some concerns I have about some non-profits in Lompoc that I feel are underserving our population and also causing confusion. I've noticed There's two nonprofits that are operating in Lompoc as 501c3s, but I'm not seeing the actual benefit to our community they're supposed to present. I see their leadership instead using these 501c3 is to cultivate liberal community members to be active politically and I know that that's an accusation Because it is a violation of federal law.

But I think it's very important, discrimination works both ways. When the Lompoc Valley Community Healthcare Organization puts out propaganda or advertisements for their programs that are only in Spanish The people who speak English can't even know what they're presenting to our community. That isn't transparent, but it also belies something else going on like with this C4 fake non-profit that they set up.

That nonprofit is completely there to cultivate new I know that some of them came from other organizations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:02

Anybody else? Seeing nobody else rise, we will close this round of oral communications. We'll go to written communications.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:42:16

Nothing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:18

No written? Okay. Which will bring back item number two. Mr. Stones. Acceptance of the 2025 general plan annual report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:42:36

Yes, good evening Mayor and members of the Council. So the annual report is a report done annually it's a report that sent to HCD and LCI the Land Use and Climate Institute and it essentially gives a highlight of what happened in 2025 including what's built and also goes over the status of the various implementation measures from our general plan elements

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:43:08

Yes, it does.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:43:27

On the top there, it's called out as permitted units issued. Well this 17, it's supposed to be final not issued so that's just a clarification item. It's supposed to be what? Finaled as opposed to being issued.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:43:41

Okay well that's good we can stay on that table 19 and how did we get 17 ADUs that were above moderate?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:43:50

So staff made an assumption that they're rented out at top value, and they're not deed restricted. So it's essentially an assumption made that their top value or market rate at least so that's why we used that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:44:05

We could go ahead and put them down and make the assumption that they are very low then?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:44:10

Yeah you could but I guess my concern is I feel like there's, I have more comfort level saying high-moderate because we're not monitoring them what income level they're gonna be renting at. So I feel more comfortable making the assumption that they're gonna ask for top dollar as opposed to a lower amount.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:44:33

Well if it's wrong it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it is very low or low or moderate or above moderate but maybe we should spread it equally amongst all of them And we divide it up and we put them in, give each one of them four and one of them five. But I think when we just put them all up because we're quite confident somebody renting a garage conversion, and these are all ADUs is probably not somebody in a family of four making 130,000 a year. That's an assumption.

So then we take up our above-moderate inventory Which we know we need that because we need the people in the above moderate to come live here, to spend money here. So I don't know what the rest of the council wants to think about that. It seems like a false number. So what is our obligation to the city attorney on that? Do you have any feedback on that? I mean rolling them up? We just do a wag on these and just say yeah it looks good

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Commentthat item number oneProposedself-stated2:45:48

I would suggest maybe we reach out to the consultant that made the determination and see what their justification for it was. But from what it sounds to me from Mr. Stones is that there's no restriction on the rent that can be charged for these units, so staff was assuming that they would be rented out at market rate which market rate

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:46:17

There's also market rate for very low. The Section 8 voucher has a market rate scale as well, which the studio is $1,800 a month, et cetera, et cetera. So I mean there's also a market rate for low, it's market rate for above. There are scales all the way around. So a qualifier for market rate can be market rate for very low. Maybe we need to kick it back and find out, maybe we need to make some phone calls and find out what they are And who's running them. But to just throw them this way, it just seems like...

Anyhow. We'll see what the rest of Council might have to say about that. Let me carry on with some of the other statements that we have in here that I think I'm not necessarily content with and maybe we can do better being that this is supposed to be a guiding element, a guiding document of what we're moving forward with. This is the time we get to see this You know, this is important documents for us.

They'll talk about general plan and what we want to do in land use number five, which we're talking about the city shall assist Lompoc Unified Allen Hancock with local farming organizations require funding or resources. And a comment statement is no progress to date. This item is not prioritized due to staff limits over the years workload that we have not approached for assistance I mean, that could be as simple as somebody making a phone call. If we have elements in here and we've got statements in it, we're supposed to be doing something. We have a lot of things in there saying well, we just didn't do it.

And you come up with an excuse. Again, land use number six, no progress to date. This item is not priorities. Delimited staff over the years and workload. This is about private trusts and protection of agriculture. That's making one phone call. And when you go on page 33, the city shall examine if necessary and amend development impact fees resolution to ensure that transportation approval is assessed by the project. So I read in here and it says, transportation-related development impact fees were appealed by the City Council in 2025 in order to promote new residential commercial development city.

That's a result but again one of the biggest arguments I had was the fact that Well, first of all the old impact fee street impact fee we were charging for a third lane on the northbound 8th Street Bridge. A project that we weren't going to do and 40% of the street impact fee was being charged to a project that we weren't going to do. We collected a lot of money on that project and by law if we don't do the project we're supposed to refund the money and we did not refund the money. We collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from developers, treated them like our private little piggy banks, and we did give them their money back. Likewise, the item that came in front of us and presented for us, we were going to do this Central Avenue extension was being billed to developers.

So I don't agree with his statement here. It was a result of what we did But again, using the F word this project was flawed. This study was flawed. I can't say fraud, you get upset if I say that so I'm fraud. It was flawed and that was the main reason for this being done. Likewise, monies being collected weren't being spent for projects. And I mentioned at that time that we had a traffic signal impact fee that we collected and we were 125% funded for. We didn't spend the money and over the years that money reduced down to about 80% funded because we took money from developers, didn't do the project and the money through was devalued.

So I take concern with that statement as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:50:14

I'm sorry which circulation item was that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:50:16

Pardon, this is circulation 12, page 33. Correct. Huh? Page 33? I don't know, it's right there. Circulation element number 12. Your printer must have been different than mine. I don' t know. I don't know. Anyhow. 39 off the computer?

CommentAlejandro RazoProposedself-stated2:50:41

All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:50:42

right. Circulation number 14. We can make a modification on here. We're talking about part of the multi-modal plan, where we know it wasn't funded in the 2026 shop. You change that to the 2028 shop? There's potentials for that. Right? Isn't that the new hope?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:51:07

Yeah I'd have to double check with Craig on that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:51:09

one. That was the statement at the multi-modal right? I'm just saying if we're going to file the document, we might as well do it All right. If we go to my page number, oh they're all page 33. How about that? I didn't even notice that. Mine are all page number 33. Yeah

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:52:01

the digital version has

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:52:03

it. The page number is correct

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:52:04

but not the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:52:05

printed version. Some of mine have holes in them as I can see it. So I mean the conservation and open space element Conservation open space item number 29. This is the city shall monitor the California Environmental Protection Agency Department of Pesticide Regulation Investigation and other studies, and shall, shall work. These are double shalls. Shall monitor, shall work with responsible agencies to take necessary steps to reduce the potential for spray drift impacts from application of chemicals in areas adjacent to residents, schools, and non-parks.

These are shalls! Now we're always told shalls mean you gotta do it. And what's the status? Ongoing. This measure has not been a priority since our senior environmental coordinator retired and the position was not filled. Why have a general plan if we're doing, we're doing shalls and then you say, we're not doing it? I mean don't we have an obligation to do the things we say we shall do?

So, and again, what is that? That once a month you make a phone call or you make a phone call to the Ag Department saying hey can you guys call us if there's an issue? I think it's very important, especially we obligate developers and everybody else. If it says shall, we make them do it. It's a simple one in the safety element. You left out a T in Santa Barbara here and safety element number one, I know it's just that was nominal. I get you.

It happens So going to safety element number six And I go to the second page of number six and this is where I'm gonna make a motion along with this on something and hopefully get some other people and there's additional road crossing the San Ynez River in the event of a major evacuation All right, status. Investigation of the need for an additional road crossing in the Santa Ana River is ongoing and is planned to be scheduled Lompoc Valley Transportation Steady led by SB CAG in 2026. Right? You see what I'm talking about?

It's number six but you flip the page and I assume it's still part of the other one. Yes, I see it. Shall investigate the need for, shall update a comprehensive emergency management recovery So I bring this up because a number of years ago as council, we made a request to contact the county. Allegedly there was a letter that came back was never delivered to this staff.

County supervisors executive director back then told me the letter came paraphrasing it said something that Every 10 years, FEMA will pay for a low water crossing. The county doesn't do low water crossings. If the city would take the lead you could go out and apply to FEMA to do a lower water crossing across McLaughlin, right? So I'd like this to also, but through a motion here that get two other people to support. That we do the investigation, that we do what we're going to do here and we contact the county, we contact whoever we need to do and we take the lead in getting an emergency access road for our city as an alternative route over across McLaughlin Crossing.

So I'm gonna make the motion that we proactively do this It's in our safety element right here, okay? So I'm making the motion that we do it. Can I get two other people to support me? I've got a second by Starbuck, head nod by Bridge, okay? That we go out there proactively to do as it says that we will do, okay? And you can actually maybe change the status in that section on that.

Maybe we might find that e-mail that allegedly was out there. It said, it'd be nice to see what it was. And... That's it. That's all I had for you. Any questions? No, thank you. Let me go to Council Member Ball.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:56:20

Yeah, so it doesn't happen often but I will admit I'm in full agreement. It doesn't happen often but I'm in full agreement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:56:30

Are we dating again?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:56:31

No, we're definitely not dating again and I just want the city staff to hear me. This is just a piece of paper with some intention but a lot of things are and we go through the motion I have little kids, there's a lot of families hard working here. Two things matter to me at the big picture level. Some of the numbers that have been stated about pesticide use and percentages, I guarantee you if that number showed up anywhere in Montecito they would all show up with pitchforks so I want my city to be conscious of some of this Thank you.

There's different crops showing up, and who knows what they're using or still allowed to use. So that's important to me. And then for what it's worth, I was a young kid when dad would need to go up to take care of the horses or something up in Mesa Oaks at the time, and we would cross McLaughlin all the time. It was just a thing. And like, I know there's a lot more regulation now, but I do agree. I think there is an angle on We don't have a good answer at all, should there be some sort of horrific local tragedy or something that requires us to evacuate.

We are limited in that area and I know it's just not important and there's so many other things that we need to functionally think about as a city but I am curious if the city has the flexibility to potentially take the lead and the county won't touch it because whatever Don't promise me that it will happen, but I am curious. Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:59:06

Well, I agree with a lot of that sentiment of what's been stated here. We are in the ongoing effort to do a new general plan. So when the big fight comes over the implementation measures, I want everybody to remember what this was because it looks like a piece of paper that you only care about when you want to do something. When it's not of interest to the city, well, it's not an interest to some particular man who wants us to follow rule 104.

Oh, the general plan says it and we got to do it. I mean, I probably heard Brian say that to me a hundred times. It's in the general plan Steve, we have to do it. So I look at economic 10 and it says The city business tax shall be updated, modernized and expanded. And 50% of the increased revenue from the revised business tax shall be used for economic development purposes."

I remember putting in an RFI on this very topic and I was told no such thing exists. It's never been true. And nowhere in here does it say it's going to raise a tax. It just says the tax shall be updated, modernized and expanded. So to me, she made this process simple and hopefully we can get a PTC in a more expedited manner. And I'd like to know where that 50% went because I've asked several times where's that money so we can do some economic development?

And then ECOM 14. I specifically asked for this to be done, one of my very early naïve requests from the Council of Diaz and I was told we can't advertise companies because that would be favoritism. And yet this says right here the city's website and other advertising efforts will be used to promote Lompoc businesses such as print ads, street banners and media stories.

That says to me you can go put on the website promotions for our local businesses, at least according to the general plan which I remember an esteemed lawyer telling me the general plan is a constitution and all the others roll out of that. So those are my two comments on this. I mean there was lots of this like I generally go for economics but there's lots in here you read and the answer is well we're just not going to do it because we're too busy So when the general plan comes back, anytime I say well I don't believe you're going to do it let's take that out. You'll know where that comes from.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:01:59

Some of the items you were referencing was I was looking at status statements which we can change those relatively easy changing the implementation measure in here I'm just saying no. I try to stay in the far right column. I agree,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:02:18

I agree.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:02:19

It says

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:02:19

you shall do it and you should be doing it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:02:25

That's right. Anybody else? Do I need public comment since I already took it once? We already took it once on that one. So you guys heard my suggestions that I put in there, Council Member Ball? You said you would second mine? Is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:02:42

that what you said?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:02:46

No, I did that on the river crossing. This is on concurrence on mine. Do I need a motion as such to... Yeah, I want the motion to accept. All right, what are we asking for? Item two. I'm trying, I'm trying. So accept the attached with the recommendations for modifications in here is my motion and then to file the annual report with the governor's office etc., etc.

All right. Okay, thank you. There's my motion. Did I meet the motion board? Up here for there's my motion. Motion made seconded by Bridge go ahead and vote. That passes 5-0 all right Oral communications. This is the last two minutes of oral communications. We warm all out. All right, seeing nobody rise, we'll close oral communication. Come back to Council comments and meeting reports.

Council Member Vega?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:04:19

Nothing to report.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:04:23

Not much to report but I did have a and again, I don't know if it needs to be an official request or not. But in Mario thank you, you've kept me kind of up-to-date and I've had some questions about the skate park and that process the RFPs etc., but we did hear from some members of the public. I want to make sure that before we get a chance to have Council at least Thumbs up on the idea. I did attend one of those meetings three, four or five years ago where the city did a great job with outreach making sure there was a lot of People in the skating community were really, you know, asked a lot of questions and felt like they had a lot of input.

And maybe this isn't the full group but it does sound like there is some questions about whether or not any of their concerns or ideas were heard. So I don't know if you need an official request to slow it down or if there's some way that you can kind of update us or reassure us that, you know...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:05:17

Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I think any time you build something, there's going to be different favorite things on skate parks. But the designer Spahn Ranch did come in at a few meetings, took everything. There was a few different... We're excited to have them with our Before we get

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:06:02

into a long lengthy discussion, maybe you want to have that come back? Sounds like

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:06:07

you have the information. I would like to move forward with the project. We are on a grant deadline. We did get an extension but I think we have executed building permit. When are you breaking ground?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:06:27

Okay. And I'm not saying...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:06:33

Guys, I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion on the item because this is not agendized so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:06:38

I would request that we move forward with the project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:06:44

Council Member Volk,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:06:44

can you go and talk to him so we don't get... Yeah maybe I'll follow up with you and again I think I got some context I just want to know

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:06:50

that... We'll go as well. I'm gonna come see you as well Myle because there appears to be some concerns. Anyhow okay sorry I just didn't want to violate or violate. Right? Anything else? Is it? Council Member Starbuck.

CommentCouncil Member BallProposed · by introduction3:07:08

No reports.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:07:09

Council Member Bridge. No reports. So quick report, I did get an opportunity to ride the bus for free. People say there's nothing to do in Lompoc. Hey, for three months you can ride the bus for free. Never done either of the red line and the green line. And wheels on the bus go round and round. I think it's $3.75 a day, put the kid on the bus and let him ride around all day for $375.

We averaged about an hour per trip. Thank you guys for putting a bathroom out there for them. The drivers are very happy that they actually had a bathroom there. I guess that's Craig's not here, but imagine driving around all day and you had to go find a restroom. They're happy. Granted it's inside of a cage and it's a portable, but they were very thankful for that one.

There were about 10 people each thing. And the real key is pretty much everybody on there really needed to be on the bus. It was really beneficial to them. So I did also go through the girls softball opening that they had at Thompson Park. A couple hundred young players there I do want to thank the city

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:08:19

attorney's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:08:21

office. Probably one of the most important things if we get the proper play with the county on this for the city moving forward. Very significant, so I thank you for the hard work that you did to put that together as well. I know we got it through there without discussion but very important. Thank you guys and seeing nobody else raise their hands, we're out of here.

Turn till 630 March 17th. You.