City Council — March 17, 2026

Come on back, Victor. Welcome to March 17th regular city council meeting. Ready, Victor? All right. Roll call, please.

Make what's good true honorable and right stand firm and expand. Purify your people, reveal your ways and show your sovereign hand over all. Amen.

Let's join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the

flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice

All right, I've got a number of people coming for a proclamation tonight and for the National Vietnam War Veterans Day. So if you guys want to join me at the podium and we'll give everybody a chance to speak after I read out this proclamation so maybe at the podium. Thank you guys. So proclamation in honor of National Vietnam War Veterans Day. Whereas on January 12, 1962 United States Army pilots lifted more than 1,000 South Vietnamese service members in an Operation Chopper to capture a National Liberation Front stronghold near Saigon marking America's first combat mission against the Viet Cong and the beginning of one of our longest and most challenging wars. And whereas the Vietnam War is a time in our nation's history where 11 years combat left their imprint on a generation.

Thousands returned home bearing shrapnel and scars, missing limbs and spirits broken and still more were burdened by the invisible wounds of post-traumatic stress, of Agent Orange, of memories that would never fade. And whereas more than 58,000 laid down their lives in service to our nation and territories. Now and forever their names are etched in two faces of black granite, a lasting memorial to those who bore conflict's greatest cost. And whereas our veterans answered our country's call and served with honor on March 29th 1973 the last of our troops left Vietnam yet many soldiers and civilians came home to be shunned or neglected facing treatment unbefitting their courage. Whereas half a century after those helicopters swept off the ground and into the annals of history, we pay tribute to the fallen, the missing, the wounded, the millions who served and the millions more who awaited their return.

Our nation and territory stands stronger for their service. And on Vietnam Veterans Day, we honor their proud legacy with our deepest gratitude. Now therefore I, James Moseley, Mayor of City of Lompoc, California do hereby proclaim the 29th of March 2026 as Vietnam War Veterans Day. My wife's brother is one of those that didn't make it home. He unfortunately made it on the wall, but fortunately made it on the wall. But thank you and thank all the veterans who do what they do across our country and the acting members would be able to do it. It's just a great honor for me to present this proclamation.

We have come on up to the podium. You guys can say something, have to say chime in saying we're representing

I'm Dan Raybuck, Commander Post 211 here in Lompoc. We appreciate this. Thank you City Council for inviting us here tonight. Thank you for everybody. This means a great deal to us and our military families. Thank you.

I'm Soledad Kennedy. I represent Post 211's Legion Riders. I'm their director, and it's a privilege to be here and to look forward to hopefully see a few of the veterans out there come join our post.

Gilbert Delamore, Sergeant-at-Arms of Post 211. And for all the veterans who gave their life in Vietnam, we pray for all of them and the guys in Cogut right now. Thank you very much.

You gotta have something to say.

Can you give the veterans some money? I need money, I need them scholarships for the kids. Heard you talk about the park earlier. Great great vision appreciate that but on behalf of all the veterans Vietnam veterans and all veterans who have made ultimate sacrifice we salute you And we really appreciate the recognition. Because as we're aging, we need that support from our city and our loving kind mayor who's going to give us some money. Thank you. Thank you guys. The bills?

That's what he said? You always do.

How do you know? First of all I want him again Dovetail and follow the comments that Greg Riley met. He's also an outstanding guy in The Post. I want to thank you, it really gets to me. I lost quite a few buddies over there in Vietnam. I deployed from, not Vandenberg, I deployed from George Air Force Base in 1965 With the 479th Attack Fighter Squadron, we had a consignment of about so many F-104s and we got there on the 15th of December, 65.

On our first missions out of the squadron, at one point, we lost five in not one sortie but one flight of four all at one time Because some of the missiles didn't work and that was a shooting game. I later deployed from Vietnam, and like I tell you, I had a nice time there as far as working with some good intelligent people. We talk about the old folks? The old folks were good. They knew what they were doing.

Colonel Robin Olds, I think some of you may remember his name or recall his name. He's one of the fighter aces out of my squadron, 8th TAC Fighter Wing that went to President Johnson and had a hand-on-bar mustache, I'm sure most of you have seen it. My age, remember the handlebar mustache that President Johnson didn't particularly like. So Colonel Owens was told to take the mustache away and what he wanted so to tell Robin's story because I was part of it.

He said excuse me. Now I'm usually talking all the time. But anyway, he wanted to change the Rolling Thunder narrative to get the powers to do whatever. We lost quite a few guys over there but we also took out quite a few with the F4 Phantom so I want to thank everybody for being here and trying to understand what Didn't understand at the time, but we do understand now and support what we got going on supporting our troops.

These organizations that's behind me they are supportive of all our troops foreign and domestic I just want to thank you for listening to us and having a proclamation

I'm sorry, I forgot to say who I was representing. Commander for GI Forum and Sergeant-at-Arms for 125.

Another presentation, who's coming for the next presentation? Who's leading this one? Althaus and Meade in Legacy Works. And the planned surf bridge replacement again.

Thank you very much Mayor Mosby. I'm Lindy Althaus and council members, I've only met one of you and glad to be here to meet the rest of you. I am representing our company and Union Pacific Railroad tonight I began working for Union Pacific Railroad in 1997, almost 30 years ago. And it's been a really fun journey. We've replaced a couple of very big bridges here locally, one on the Honda Bridge down on South Base and the Narlon Bridge on North Base. Done a lot of work in the area for the railroad and for some of your residential developments in this area.

And I'm particularly excited about this surf bridge project because over the Santianez River, many of us are well aware of the flood risk and the beautiful estuary and the lovely park. And a place where people like to go to watch the launches. So it's an attractive place for a lot of reasons. And when we had the opportunity to be the consulting group to help with replacing this bridge, the first thing that came to mind was how can we make this better?

for nature, and for our community. And that's why we're here. So the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation gave us a $1 million grant to pay for engineering, for planning, for biological surveys, for working with the different groups of people. And so we've invited Legacy Works here, and I'll introduce them in just a minute, to help us with the community engagement piece. Next slide please.

The reason for our bridge replacement is several fold. One of them, it's an old bridge. It has some flood risk in 1969. You'll see a picture in a minute of some flooding that you may have observed. It also seems to be a bit of a bottleneck for normal flow of the water in and out, in from the surf and out from the high water. And it would be really nice to restore some of that estuarine value. We also washed out the under crossing in this last big storm event, and we haven't been able to get a lot of community under that bridge so we're looking at how to cross the timeline We started working on this last year, officially. It'll take us about two more years to get all of the permitting and all of the design finished and contracted out. We're hoping to start that bridge project in 28-29 and be finished in 2030, maybe 29.

The community engagement piece is part of what legacy work is helping on, and then we can have a little discussion at the end. Next slide please. The surf bridge sits in the middle of Vandenberg Space Force Base, 98,000 acres. And it has public access which most of the base does not have. The problem with that public access is it's also next to a beach that's inhabited by federally listed birds.

We can't fix that, so part of our community engagement isn't gonna be about getting people onto the beach during clover season. But we are looking at the opportunity to connect the county park to the surf station and then access down to the beach not directly as part of this project but for the long term working with Vandenberg Space Force Base on helping them to make that happen.

So those are things that we want to be listening to and hearing about. Next slide, please. Part of the rationale has to do with a flood risk. This photograph from 1969 from the newspaper shows the entrance to South Base flooding that old NASA building and all of the entrance. And that happens as part of this confluence of discharge from the Bradbury Dam And this high storm and the huge amount of water that we got in 69. We came really close in 2023 when we had those big storms of having something similar happening, but Vandenberg Space Force Base and the local people here were working with the Bradbury Dam releases and we didn't get that massive release so we were able to avoid that catastrophe. Next slide please.

In 1969, there were a lot of cars that kind of floated around where they don't normally go. And we also lost the 35th Street Bridge that is between the 13th Bridge and the County Park that's now no longer there. Most of that is gone except for some of the old foundations. Next slide please. The Bradbury Dam is part of what we want to continue to cooperate with in the release of those waters during big storm events But it is something that we're looking at closely with the hydrology studies. Next slide, please.

So planning again is between last year and 2027, permitting a final design by 2028. Construction starting the end of 2028-29 and then should be finished by 2030. This is not a quick project. The railroad will only be closed for about three weeks during the changeout, but we are looking at opportunities to use some of the surrounding area including part of County Park if not all of County Park for part or all of that construction period.

We are looking at access in and out and getting into the railroad right-of-way between the surf station bridge We're not going to be interfering directly with County Park in that area, but we will be working with county to see if we can use some or all of that park and find places. Maybe even making the parking lot bigger is one of the considerations at the Amtrak station for people to watch the launches and get down there so these are all on the plate things that we want to hear from you and your community members about.

Next slide, I'm going to turn it over now to Ellen Kutkowski and Sophie Bartley from the Legacy Works to talk about you and community engagement. Ellen.

Thank you, Lindy. Thank you council for the opportunity to be here tonight. My name is Ellen Kutkowski. I'm with Legacy Works Group and as Lindy said we are implementing this early stage community engagement process. And I say early stage because the intention is for This input that we receive from the community at this time to inform the design process and that's the design process for the bridge for the restoration and for any potential enhancements.

We are engaging units of local government. We're seeking input from you, as well as the County of Santa Barbara. We're seeking input from numerous federal and state agencies listed on this slide, as well as from the entire community. There will be an emphasis on certain community groups that are typically difficult to get input from for various reasons, as well as groups that have a particular interest in the site. And now I'm going to pass it over to Sophie, our Legacy Works project manager who's going to tell you a little more or go into a little more depth about what our process will include.

Sophie? Thank you Ellen and thank you for letting me be here. So I'm going to walk you through what we are doing, what we've been doing and what we plan to do. And this engagement process kicked off back at the end of last year with a series of interviews. We call these pre-engagement interviews because they are before the engagement starts and there were individuals or small groups. And the purpose of them is really to understand how best to engage the community. Who do we need to be engaging? How do we need to be engaging them? So through this process, we were able to identify the list that Ellen shared on the previous slide and also some key communicators. Key communicators are Lompoc community members who are working with us in a paid role to help connect us with community members specifically from those five groups that are listed right there under the focus groups.

And they've been working with us in a variety of ways from reviewing our survey materials, helping to connect us with people to invite to focus groups and encourage them to come out And they're also going to be along with us on every step of this and providing feedback on the findings that we gather in January. We released our survey. The survey is really targeted towards recreational users of Ocean Park and Surf Beach. We want to understand what people are already valuing about this space any concerns they might have about the preliminary design And the construction and of course what the vision for the future of this space could look like. So that survey is available at Ocean Park and at the surf Amtrak station there's a little placard I designed it looks like this you might have seen it if you've been there.

You can scan this little QR code and it will take you straight to the survey and we would love it if everybody could take the survey send it all your friends in your family anybody Really encouraged to take the survey we want to hear what you have to say. Next, we have focus groups which are starting tomorrow. We have five focus groups one with each of those groups identified. We're going to have about six to eight attendees at each of these and the hope is really to go a little bit deeper into the preliminary survey results and have a conversation about this project with a small group of people.

So after we've done the survey and the focus groups, we Legacy Works are going to be collecting and synthesizing everything that we've heard and providing it back to Althausen Mead and the design and engineering team so they can incorporate that feedback into the preliminary bridge designs. And then we're gonna reconvene in July. I hope all of you will come. We're gonna have a town hall which is going to be an opportunity to present the different bridge design options. And everybody here, everybody that you know can provide feedback on those and that will then be reincorporated before the bridge designs go to Union Pacific.

Next slide please. So we have a great website if you want to learn anything more about this project, if you want to send it to everybody you know its at santaunasurfbridge.org and you can see there's a little red circle right at the top that says take the survey. Please do. Next slide, please. And lucky for you the QR code is right here so everybody can go ahead and scan that little QR code find that link take the survey if everybody here sends it to like five people that they know that would be so awesome thank you next slide please.

So to wrap things up the current bridge needs to be replaced. The new bridge design offers an opportunity to make improvements both for the estuary and for the community We're expecting that the construction will start in 2028 or 2029. And finally, my last pitch, the community engagement process is happening now. There are lots of ways to get involved so if you're interested please do we would love to hear from you. Thank you.

Just a little quick history for other people I don't I'm sure they all have some of their stories too, but the estuary there you actually, the Lompocans used to water ski in that estuary. So it used to be a very important part of the community and until about 40 years ago there was actually a boat launch ramp into that estuary which is... Is the waterway still declared a national navigable waterway?

It is a navigable waterway under Section 10 of the Rivers and Harbors Act. Whether that allows us to navigate legally with all the critters in there and Vandenberg Space Force Base operations, I can't answer that, Mayor.

So a good chunk of that is actually County Park of the estuary?

That is probably true in terms of what you

hold. It was actually legally open for two days until somebody complained about it, but in the recent past But it was also a I think that's worth putting in the

We are here to answer any other questions. We have a few minutes.

Council Member Ball? No, I was just going to say you should definitely take the survey and put your comments on there. Oh yeah, you know that! I just wanted to say thank you for the presentation. My dad was a young airman who landed on Vandenberg in 1969 And I just want to say thank you, I know it's not necessarily part of the scope of your project of the bridge replacement but having that big picture long term.

Being a catalyst for enhancing any sort of walkability between Surf Station and Surf Beach, and maybe enhancing parts of that park. Thank you for taking that on and for representing us. A lot of people love that park Some of the people in our city have never even been to the beach And again, maybe the first time they get there might be when it's kind of rehabilitated and fixed up So thank you for your work for all of them. I appreciate it

The term catalyst gave me happy goosebumps because that really is the role that we play here. And I think what's special for me is working with the Vandenberg Space Force based folks, whether I'm working with ops or I'm working with the environmental group they don't always understand each other. We speak both languages and it was really fun just yesterday talking to them about beach access. We've got a big problem next to the Amtrak platform there and needing to do some temporary fix in there." And I said, but we've got a long-term plan and you guys can pay for it with all your mitigation dollars for all the stuff you need to do for public access. He goes, oh that's a long term goal. I said, I know that's a long term goal. You have to start with the end in mind.

So we're here to think big. Thank you. Any other questions?

Chancellor Bridge. Well obviously you're doing Obviously, beach access is near and dear to our heart. And while I realize you're in some ways powerless because of the powerful bird, I have long been a proponent and will continue to be a proponent for swapping the beach access that's allowed year round and moving it down where the other access is. Every year we're restricted and you're allowed to go down where Surf Station is.

I'm probably showing my age, but that's a pretty difficult trek down that hill whereas when you go in through County Park, I'm not going to say it's ADA compliant, but it's certainly a much easier path And we've had that boardwalk promise forever.

So let's work on that.

Well, I would really like us to think about swapping that area that we allow people go in year round and move it to the access under the train bridge that would allow them to do You would eliminate the need for the boardwalk, Question the safety of kids walking along the track. It just seems nonsensical to me, but I'm sure they'll put barricades up, but kids are kids. So if we swap that area...

It's a minimal impact on what they lose, the birds I mean not people. And it's a huge gain for our community because our park where there's parking and facilities would allow access year round to the beach. And that just seems like such a common sense trade and I know you're not empowered to do that but whenever I get chance I'm going to propose that people think about that and if in your meetings Perhaps you could bring that option up because the boardwalk is an interesting idea.

But access that we can walk to, that my mom could walk to is just so invaluable to our community. To be able to say we have a year-round open beach through our county park would be such an asset to our community. It just boggles my mind that it just doesn't become the natural solution. And I don't want to get a soapbox here.

Please add your voice to the website seriously this is every voice matters here and we will amplify your voice as best as we can. Thank you.

I actually thought he was going to say swap our snowy plumbers for Galena Beach story.

He thought about it

Thank you, Mayor.

Annual Easter egg hunt will be Saturday, April 4th. It'll be at River Park 10 a.m., and it's pretty packed so we have to get out there early. I also want to remind the community to register their children for 6 through 12 for this year's spring break camp. This is a great event that Parks and Rec put a lot of time in. Pre-registration is required. It's $45.

Camp runs in the afternoons of April 5th through the 10th And you need to hold the Parks and Rec, you want more information there. And finally we have the 21st annual Parks and Rec Kiwanis Golf Club Tournament. That'll be Friday April 17th. Registration for that event is now open. It's a great way to fundraise for kids to get scholarships or do recreational programs.

Library. Along with the return of the Easter Egg Hunt, I'm also excited to spotlight the return of the annual Peeps Diorama Contest at the library. Those who would like to participate are now able to drop off their dioramas at the Lompoc Library. That'll be March 26th and the winners will be announced February-April 3rd. Also want to spotlight a couple opportunities for some teams for internships to help with the summer reading program and that will be running through June 15th through July 31st. And a good opportunity get involved in that library With the temperatures getting pretty hot, I encourage everybody to sign up for ReadySPC.org. You get text alerts and phone calls and you'll find what's going on with weather reports and warning evacuation notices and more.

Finally, I'm excited to share the Spring Yard Beautification Contest. We'll again be returning this year, hosted by Urban Forestry and our Beautification and Appearance Commission. This is a great time to spotlight landscape residents, HOAs, businesses, churches. It will be given first, second, and third place for most colorful landscape appeal, maintenance, conservation, and a lot of other criteria. So it's good opportunity to nominate somebody if you can see somebody doing some good stuff. That's all I got for now.

So real fast, at the last council meeting I made a request of a letter, amendment letter added to the ACFR. It's not on the list but is that a letter that you're going to write or the attorney is going to write?

I'm not sure if I follow the request. I know you asked language be added. Correct. Is that what you're talking about? We'll have to turn to our ACFR specialist there.

The request was made after we'd already published the ACFR. I believe on the online version, we can footnote that page and include your comment there. It hasn't not been done yet. We're still finalizing a few other things with it. But yes, we'll be noting that on the online version.

OK, so it can also be stapled in hard copies in City Hall if they're around. I mean that's generally the ones I have been reading but I don't know who is going to be the author of that? I didn't make the request but I guess what I could do is make...I could make the request

We can author it or we can run it by you before we publish it, whichever you prefer.

Okay. Council

Member Bull? Yeah just as a point of the process I think anything authored by the mayor should come back to the council to approve. Is that reasonable City Attorney?

I'm not going to author it. It was staff to do it, not us. Okay?

And then I did have one question for our city manager. I understand that there's been quite a bit of cleanup happening in the river. Yes. I think that's great news. I've also heard rumors, murmurings of potential... The police department here working with the sheriff's department to maintain some oversight or some enforcement Is there anything you can talk to us about or have any updates on that? And how is that whole process going?

I think when both sides have the teams to go out, this time I think it was our team that went out. We did the cleanup too as well. But we're just about ready to do another drone footage and check and see if we have any more encampments but we're trying to keep them cleaned up and we're trying to work together as a team.

Awesome. I'd love to stay updated on that so if that ever comes back at least let me know. OK, I could do that sure. Thank you.

Question for you, too. On our camping ordinance can you fill us in on what's going on with that? I hear some rumors about that.

Well we got a lot going on in the background and there's still a lot that needs to be done but we will be coming back in April with a full report on that so we're planning on that.

Okay, so one more question. So our Measure B info letter is that something the city is going to put together on Measure B info? Did you have something planned for that? I'm

not sure if I'm following your question sir.

Information on Measure B Are you going to put together an information

leaflet? We can, if you want to do that. It'll be educational. We can do something like that like we did

before. Yeah, you can't do promotional but you can do educational. I was just gonna see if you were gonna do something on that. Kind of like when I-2020, you guys jumped all over that. I'm just wondering if you guys are gonna...

We could do something very similar to that.

But I've got plans as well. I just wanted to see if you guys had any plans.

Yeah, we could do that, yeah. Do

we need to make a motion that you do that, or have you got that?

I've got that.

OK. All right. Let's see. I'll wait and do this last one at the end of the meeting. Any other questions through city manager? You got away easy today. Coming up next is public comment on consent calendar This is consent calendars. Yes, what you

got before we go to public comment on consent calendar I did want to note for the record that item number two Is there a check register? There is a check to the Lompoc Chamber of Commerce. Council Member Starbuck, or the Lompoc Chamber of Commerce is a source of income to Council Member Starbuck so he will be recusing himself from that one check.

What was the $20,000 check for to the chamber?

There's two checks. I'm sorry you're right. There are two checks to the chamber so he'll be recusing himself from both of those. The $22,000 check that is directly above the chamber checks is actually going to the lowest company. I forget what that service is for. L-H-O-I-S-T? It's not the Chamber of

Commerce. Okay. All right. Very good. Anything else? So what we have on consent calendar, we've got approval of minutes December 16th 2025 January 6th 2026 January 20th 2026. Approval and ratification expenditures payroll February 13th 2026 for $2.2 million the voucher register February 9th through 13th 2026 $2,200,000. The voucher register February 19th 16th through 20th And then number three on the list is approval of lease city-owned property at 1120 West Ocean to T&T Fireworks and Victor Outreach Lompoc for safe and sane fireworks sale booth June 20th through July 10, 2026.

Number four is adoption of Ordinance 1743, Parentheses 26, Admitting Section 136050 and 17.628.010 in Chapter 916 Lompoc Municipal Code regarding administrative fines 5. Adoption of Resolution 6800-26 amending the Lompoc Streetscape and Multimodal Improvement Plan. 6. Acceptance of the 2025 General Plan Annual Report.

Yeah. For Mr. Deerling, I had a quick question on item five and hopefully just a quick question. Now again we went back and forth on this one. We kind of minimized some of the bigger scope projects that were mentioned. My only question is are we in any way jeopardizing future funding opportunities by having eliminated quite a bit of the work from that multimodal plan?

Yeah, there's a brief statement in the fiscal impact section of the staff report saying something to the effect of any improvements considered south of North Avenue we would be less likely to receive outside funding for because those would be no longer included in this plan. Thank you.

Anyone else? Any other questions? I've got one on Mr. Stones. Could you just a quick answer for your general plan and report that we had in there? I had a question before about ADUs, you had a good answer as why the ADUs that we had in there were going to be what they were classified as. They're classifying as above moderate. And the reasoning for that?

Yes. So as a part of the instructions from HCD, one of the things they mentioned was that if it's not deed restricted or essentially a study done, that you would have to categorize it under the category above moderate.

OK. So is there a plan of if we did do a study on those units in the future can we reclassify what they were

I would think so. But we would have to do the study first,

right? And so in the future can we? Do this study?

Yeah, I would be looking to see what is involved with that, but I'm thinking that we could yes.

It's my recommendation or anything. Thank you just for clarification. I appreciate your other modifications as well. Anybody else any other questions Or motion, right? What do we got? You turn to motion already. Buttons don't work. We've got people ready to make a motion. All right, Council Member Ball. No, we didn't want it. We got rid of those. Yes, public comment. I asked for that.

I opened it up as I was reading everything out. Come on down, we've got plenty of time.

So

I

wanted to bring up something for the consent calendar for item number four. The ordinance regarding administrative fines, graffiti control and property nuisance. So there are pilot programs happening in other municipalities throughout the country where Lompoc is not unique in our graffiti issue And some of the ways that other municipalities in the country are tackling this is they're kind of creating like a space that's permissible for people to practice street art. So just like a wall or like a public building, there's like a dedicated wall where local street artists can come and they can express themselves without damaging public property.

And so I was really hoping maybe that would be something that the city could take a look at into piloting. Because if we just give these kids an outlet to do what they're going to do, they'll be much less likely to go and tag up our city and our buildings in people's homes. That's all. I just thought maybe that would be something that the council might consider.

Thank you.

You might want to go to the Parks and Rec Commission, see if they might stage an idea with that. OK? Sounds good. I think most of the graffiti I've had to deal with are things aren't artwork. The more people, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah.

Karen Hauenstein, lifelong native resident. I would just like to make a comment to that. The graffiti, the damaging graffiti that we're dealing with in the commerce areas of our town is not innocent high school children who need art. It's organized crime, it's the local gangs that are fighting for the streets, the streets where illegal drugs are sold and that is the truth about that. Now if you do want to find some really beautiful artwork, you have to go to our bridges Our bridges across the San Ynez River at H Street, the street bridges you park and you go under those. And there's beautiful artwork there and also some of our the washes outside a town we have a large wash that goes along V Street.

And if you visit that ladders that go down into them. And you can even watch the artwork from walking along the exercise trails. There's also a wash out at Douglas Road, there's a lot of beautiful artwork out there so if you do want to visit the beautiful artwork that is by some of our younger residents that tag officially and memorial stuff There's those places. Thank you.

Nick Gonzales, resident of Lompoc regarding item six, acceptance of the 2025 general plan and comments regarding the ADU. I'm gonna share, I'll be sending you on the council and Mr. Stone a proposed ordinance that was submitted in another city within the county that did just what he indicated it was an exchange of a covenant to meet low or moderate income And it had to do with possible loans from the trust fund that would be a covenant in exchange for lower interest rate borrowings.

And so, it was way to really stack up if you utilize the program and it was voluntary program. It wasn't required program. So I'll share it with you and that will give you another alternative to consider. Thank you.

Anybody else rising for public comment on consent calendar? All right, we'll go back to motions.

I'll make a motion to accept the consent calendar with the exception of item two for Council Member Starbeck.

So we got a motion by Councilor Walden, seconded by Council Member Vega. Let's go ahead and vote. Good old technology. Yeah, go touch it.

We can do a roll call vote.

Yep,

go ahead and roll call.