City Council — July 14, 2026

You. Thank you. You. Thank you. All right, welcome back. Stepping up a little bit earlier I'm going to ask you to report out of the City Attorney would report on the action taken during closed session?

Sure thank you Mayor. The City Council met in closed session there were three items on the agenda. The City Council conducted item number one which was the performance evaluation of the city manager. City Council gave the city manager a satisfactory review The City Council also directed the city manager to initiate the process of filling the assistant or deputy city manager position. That was the conclusion of the performance evaluation. City Council did not consider or conduct the discipline dismissal release closed session, or the appointment of the interim closed session.

All right. Well, that concludes the closed session and we're going to at 637 begin the open session Joint City Council Planning Commission meeting and we get the long roll call

Commissioner Morgan heard

President

So report on action. You guys ready? You guys had a busy year, right? Report on action with your annual reports. Do I need to take public comment first before we review? City Attorney?

You can take public comment anytime you wish during the item.

Mayor, I just don't know if you wanted to present or just assume the document is being presented or

what?

We're not doing a presentation obviously. Are we doing a presentation of the annual report?

I am not aware of that.

No, so I'm asking should I take public comment now or do you want to take public comment?

That's up to your discretion mayor. Let's

have public comment right now on the annual report. Thank you very much. Deliberations any questions you guys want to highlight you guys want to talk about your annual report? What do you got going on

right, so I'll just review the major project items that we went over the two big ones. I would say were the 2030 general plan safety element as well as a planned circulation element A next big one item we did was updates to the ADU section of the zoning code as well as We reviewed the Accessory Dwelling Unit, the PRADU program which should be going live. It looks like third quarter of 2026 and then we review of the general plan zoning code amendments for consistency with the adopted SV CAG airport land use compatibility plan and then there was a few projects. The village at PCH residential project Lompoc Theater Project, Toyota of Lompoc, Chick-fil-A.

And then we also reviewed our general plan annual report and the planning commission annual report. That concludes our major projects slash items. Council Member

Ridge you have a question?

Just on the annual report what is the Art Deco Mixed Unit? What is that? It was one of the projects. Greg's coming up, I

think. Oh right. I think that's a future one so we'll let Greg answer it.

Yeah, that's a future project. I don't remember off the top my head how many units it is but it's a residential mixed-use project but it's currently being reviewed.

Okay, so is the Art Deco the theme that it's going to be?

That's just name that we have for it right now. Yeah

okay thank

you.

Councilor Boehl. Sure, thank you guys all for your hard work and trying to thread many needles when we need it the most. I'm curious just the progress of the theater project. I know you guys have done a lot of work. I think they've hit some milestones. Just wanted to get your sense of what's happening there, how it's going and are there predictable hurdles that still exist perhaps in the near or distant future that either your body or us as a council might consider? That was my general question.

So that particular project did go before Planning Commission and was approved. So right now it's in building permit stage. It's still being reviewed by Building Permit, and I know there is, in the future I think there's a item coming to Council regarding the alley easement but that's coming in August potentially.

Is there a timeline for how long it needs to be at City Hall to bounce around? In

terms of the building permit, well they're doing it in phases. So I believe we're on phase two right now, I want to say. So it is being done in phases. It's a little hard to say when the last phase will be but I know the phase that we're currently It includes an addition in the back and the moving of the old building to the front. And then there will be some tenant improvements, and future items would include a renovation

Awesome. Well, just personally speaking I'd love to be kept kind of abreast of that progress. I know they have some and again anything can happen but they have goals of at least having a first phase opening and starting to entertain people perhaps next year which is their 100th anniversary so again if there are hurdles that pop up or things that are going to absolutely delay those those hopes I'd love to be educated about those things as we go forward thank you

I attended, I think most of your guys' meetings and you guys are getting the groove and working together a little more consistent flow. I think you had one meeting was and it was running after nine o'clock. I had to jet on that when that was getting a little rough Do listen to you guys on the radio? I think it's nice to have that out there You listened to him on the radio too Councilman Starbuck right yeah he does so What do you guys think was the the toughest one you had to get through I know the safety element, you guys chewed on that quite a bit.

I think that was maybe the broadest things that we've addressed this past year. I think issues on the safety element, we could have talked for another five hours and really pieced it apart. But yeah, I think for me that was significantly something that should be continually re-evaluated and continually changed. I think there were a lot of elements regarding literacy, regarding expectations of literacy, regarding like just evacuation planning for example. Like people don't know north and south you know but that was one of the things I remember we talked about that I'm not sure if it made on to the updated element or We should, as a city, regularly continue to dive into deep and maybe having joint meetings within public safety and things like that with the Planning Commission as well.

But the safety component was probably my number one.

One of the things that doesn't really happen, I believe it's supposed to by state law is a review of the impact fees annually with recommendations to council. I know for probably 20 plus years it wasn't being done and I think it's important that maybe that can be revitalized. I still think it's state law city attorney. The old Maximus report in the back of the book said it was but

that it has to go through the Planning Commission every year?

They're supposed to review it annually with recommendations to the Council on the impact fee. I'll show you where I've made

it.

Maybe, maybe. But I think that's a critical thing, another component that aligns but one of the good things I have to say is a lot of the people come in front of you they kind of understand which way they're going to go with you and a lot of time when a developer comes up and they're not sure...I've seen older Planning Commission meetings Oh my goodness, argue about I don't know some of the simplest items. What color of the rock was going to be on a building for two hours?

And I just got to say it's in talking with the developers is a breath of fresh air to have somebody. Some of you guys meetings are 10 minutes. And when people have that much money invested, that is a really good sign for them. That they know that they're gonna get through it and they know that you are staying consistent with the rules, ordinances as such and you're not dreaming up some...

Don't change but I'm just saying it's a good thing. So thank you guys for what you're doing and I think there's a lot of people out there that as well like the continuity of your thought process

Well if I could piggyback again, sorry. I think the things and the only way we could have a 10 minute meeting is if Greg and the rest of the planning staff does everything right so we only get to have those good short meetings when it's presented to us in a way that makes it very simple for us to go yes or no and move on so shout out to

Greg and everyone else. Let me shout out to them too and your new guy Connor the other night that was like Five or six minutes on that, dividing a parcel. Or combining it to six then dividing it back to two right? Something like that right but good job with that and Chair did as well the other night did a couple months ago did a really good job with that one that helps you guys flow through get to that so yeah you guys seem to be teaming up well with that.

Anybody else on this before we go to the next one?

Yeah, I'll go ahead. Oh

yes!

So I would say any of these elements are always hard to get through it's a lot of information we're giving and it's a lot of prep work because we are those first eyes before it gets to you but I would say yeah it's just a lot of working with the elements other than that it's always fun seeing what new projects are coming into town. How about you Mr. Cox?

I really appreciate Greg and the staff doing most of the work for us. We just have to review it, do a little common sense and talk about it. It seems to work real well for us so thank you.

Nobody else? I guess we'll kill this item and go on to the next, right? You good? Not sure if you had something else. I've got you in a tizzy fit again. All right. So

I am going to introduce our consulting general representative from Mintage Harnish. We've had the pleasure of working with Ryan and his team for the last couple of years between the housing element, the environmental justice element, safety element and the circulation element As the City Council made the decision to move forward with the rest of the elements earlier this year, and what you're being presented here tonight is the background information and also the visioning and assets and issues. So I'd like to introduce Ryan and he's going to make the first presentation.

Okay. Thank you for having me today, my name is Ryan Lester and I'm with Mintier Harnish. Yes,

that podium is

getting taller. There's the magic... Oh this is okay. I'm cool here. Okay thank you for having me today. Ryan Lester with Menteer Harnish. We're here today to talk about the Assets Issues and Opportunities and Vision and Guiding Principles Report. It's a super long name mainly because we took two reports and for efficiency put them into one. The report itself is a summary of the engagement that we've done through the project so far.

I'll go over what those events were, but really the report is the initial reflection of what we've heard in the initial engagements. So we've used the style of presenting it as what are the city's assets? What are the issues and what are the opportunities? As a way to summarize what we've heard So today, we'll review that report and then we'll look for feedback from you all. I want you to respond to what we're reporting that we heard from the public and we wanna get your feedback in your direction moving forward.

So our agenda, I'll do a quick project overview. I won't linger too long on that but in case anybody hasn't been involved with the general plan so far, I wanna catch you up. I'll quickly summarize the engagement that we've done And then I'll lead us through two discussions. One on the assets issues and opportunities, and we'll pause for a small discussion to get your feedback on those things. And then we'll go over the draft vision and guiding principles, and we'll have another discussion.

And I'll explain what those are as we go. So project overview. This is the 2050 general plan. We're doing it in two phases, so we've completed phase one with the circulation wrapping up shortly. Phase one included three or four required elements, so housing element, environmental justice, safety and circulation, and now the city is underway with phase two where we'll be updating three required elements, the land use element Conservation, open space element and the noise element. And then looking at the rest of the city's optional elements to both update those but also see if there's opportunities to consolidate those with the required elements.

Okay. Did I skip one? No. So where we're at so far, we've completed project initiation and the existing conditions phase. This included the existing conditions and trends report that you referenced earlier. We published that for public review. We took comments on that, we revised it and republished the final draft on the project website. We held community workshop one and then this report, the Assets to Shop Opportunities Report, and then tonight's meeting.

We've also been working on the next phase, which is general plan assessment. And that's where we're going policy by policy through your existing general plan and talking to staff, getting staffs comments on it, incorporating those ad hoc comments in there. And that's like our first step behind the scenes of looking at how the policies are working with staff.

And so that's been underway. Part of that is me reviewing all the documents staff is sending me, you know we really need to have a thorough understanding of what's happening in the city in order to plan policy for the future. Next tasks coming up. So the next phase we'll be entering is the land use alternatives phase This phase is pretty fun where we're going to look at where there are opportunities Potential opportunities for growth and what might that growth look like right? What do we want to plan for in those opportunity sites or focus areas, whatever we boil in on We will have will produce a report and then we'll also have study sessions with both the Planning Commission and the council to discuss that and to get your direction on that And then starting in December, we'll start drafting the general plan.

So that's a six-month process. It will include engagement as well, more workshops, more meetings with both bodies. This is our full schedule. I know you can't read this but the point of showing it here is this is a three year project. We split up the tasks and phases by fiscal year And currently we're doing great. We're right on schedule It's it is a there's a lot of tasks and a lot move a lot of moving parts, and we're working very hard to stay on schedule I've got a little bit of a zoomed in schedule this shows the next fiscal year so at I have a red box they're showing the phases will be covering so land-use alternatives again, and then in the Next six months after that preparing the general plan So we're cooking We had a bunch of exercises, survey and a bunch of cool stuff in this room but also we knew that it's really hard to get people to come to traditional workshops.

So we also went to them. So we did two pop-up events, one at the library and one at the pickleball courts during the hot hour for pickleball. And we brought surveys and comment cards and just got extra input. Just trying to meet people where they're at. Staff also went to a senior health event in May, we had an online survey and then we did stakeholder interviews with the school district and with Allan Hancock College. To talk to them about what do they envision for the future? What are their needs you know where are they going and how can we possibly have some partnerships right This is just the front page of our survey Really in our early engagement. We are really talking about what are the strengths of the city, right? What are some of the challenges the city faces right and then where where do we want to go from there for the visioning?

We really wanted to ask people what you love about your city and where do you want it to go in the future? Right. What is your vision for the future and Because if we don't understand that then we don' really know where we're going All right, here's one of our comment cards. It's just like a postcard and we had these on the table and people could fill them out.

I thought this one was pretty representative of a lot of the answers that we heard so I love Lompoc because it's a small community with friendly residents, moderate weather, and all the rocket launches you can watch for free, right? Those are a lot of the things that touches on three or four of the things that we heard from a lot of the community. The online survey had, I think we had 50 responses in addition to our physical survey responses.

I put a couple up here because they're pretty representative. This question is looking 25 years in the future What will be the key industries and employers? And what you can see here is the space industry, space, SpaceX, medical industry. And so you started to see a lot of repetition. You see what's really valuable to quite a few people. The next one is on housing.

What we saw with housing is that it doesn't matter who you are, you probably want your housing to be a little cheaper, right? Having housing that is more affordable at any income is really important, right? Answers were single-family homes, smaller single-family homes. More affordable at my income whatever that may be and that was definitely a trend that we saw. Some people mentioned apartments, some people mentioned single family homes for sale, some people mentioned rentals. It feels like everybody kind of wishes the housing was a little bit cheaper and a little bit more affordable So I want to jump in and start talking about some of the specific things that we heard. I'll run through these, I won't read every single one of them because it's quite a lot and it's on the screen but I'll discuss some key ones and then we'll have a discussion and I'll ask you what you think.

So the assets, issues and opportunity really is the part that summarizes what we heard from the community. We've organized it by topic because you start to see some topics come out and it just makes it easier to understand and to see a connection between an asset, an issue and what the opportunity may be if you're looking at it by topic rather than just a huge list.

So for land use, one of the big things we heard was the commercial corridors really are an asset in the town. People really like H&Ocean. Another asset is the anticipated population job growth. A lot of people mentioned it, there's a lot of buzz and excitement about potential jobs at the base and all the contractors and other things, the other jobs that can be generated from that as well.

And then this small town feel we really heard about people love their neighborhoods they love the small town feel of the town As far as opportunities, you know, expanding city limits or figuring out how to have some more capacity both for commercial as well as for residential. And maybe looking at infill development and redevelopment as well as expanding the city limits. And then really optimizing the land use mix, right? Figuring out Okay, is our current land use mix really maximizing our potential? There's an opportunity to do that. Of course that's what the alternative phase is for.

Community character, we heard that people like their neighbors. They're happy with their community. They're happy with their neighborhoods. They like public art. They like wineries and wine tasting. The weather is a huge asset in the community. Everyone mentioned it. I live in Sacramento, it's like 105 today. I'm happy to be here right? The weather is awesome!

And then some of the things we heard issues wise you know just we want more activities right especially for kids more activities would be awesome and then just you know community outreach and people really like the murals expanding public art however that may be possible might be something that should be considered Conservation of open space, the surrounding environment really is part of how people see and understand the town. They really value it.

So the environmental setting is an asset. Some of the opportunities we heard was expanding access to healthy food would be good. Expanding access to open space, right? Dialing those things in and then really this historic sites and the native plant environment is really an opportunity that people connect with and they like their environment and they relate Lompoc with that. So any way of encouraging or expanding on that idea.

As far as noise, people love their quiet neighborhoods. They really do. The residential neighborhoods really are peaceful, right? On the topic of noise, yes, rocket launches have noise and vibration impacts, right? We need to be aware of that when we're planning As part of the general plan. And then, you know, opportunities related to noise if there's any way to prepare for launches make it an event let people know that it's happening because some folks have are sensitive to noise and vibration impacts so those were some ideas that were thrown out Parks and Recreation, people really like the parks programming. We got a lot of feedback that they really liked the program. At the same time they said if we're looking 25 years in the future we can't do those same programs let's continue to evaluate and expand and react to what the needs are in the community.

That really was one of the opportunities that we heard. I want to start by saying thank you for continuing to adjust to meet changing needs. People really like the bike park and looking for any ways to expand opportunities As far as public services, the school facilities really are an asset. They have capacity to grow. If the city grew a little bit tomorrow they wouldn't have to go build a new facility. They do have some improvement needs but the school facilities themselves are an asset. Allan Hancock College is an asset we spoke with them and they are really geared at providing the services that the local workforce needs.

And that's part of their vision for the future. Right? Library system, getting around town. The transportation and mobility around town is really an asset. It's easy to get around town. You know there were a few people that mentioned road maintenance but as far as moving around and the mobility, the circulation system you know people seemed to feel it was an asset Opportunities so expanding access to education You know, improving and expanding local infrastructure as possible.

And then yard maintenance programs was something that came up a lot. Beautification. A lot of people said hey I think we can work on yard maintenance and code enforcement or anything that we have to do to make sure that we don't have vacant commercial buildings where the landscaping is just overgrown right? Things like that. That was mentioned quite a bit. And then finally, creating partnerships where possible. I'm sure the city already does this but this is something that we heard was creating partnerships with local organizations that have similar goals in order to more efficiently achieve those goals together right?

And then economic development, so assets. The large employers, the medical employers, the base, the correctional complex and all the jobs there were mentioned as an asset. Local businesses, there's a lot of local small businesses in Lompoc. There are big box stores but there are a lot of local small businesses and many people mention that. And then events, a lot of people mention events. They like what we have they want more right? So that's both an asset and an opportunity Other opportunities just continue to support job opportunities and business growth Do whatever we can to encourage a reduction in commercial vacancies You know a lot of people Said maybe that's an opportunity. They didn't you know they don't know how to do that That's for the next stages in the in the plan, but that was definitely something that was was identified as something folks wanted beautification promoting tourism, and then a big one is capitalizing on the excitement around tech space in the future.

There's a lot of excitement almost everyone mentioned it you know the base comes up with everyone you talk to and especially the jobs there and expected jobs there people are really excited about that So with all that, I just wanted to ask and get a discussion going with what do you really feel are the city's largest assets that we need to capitalize on in the general plan?

I put some up here just as, you know, just to get your thoughts going or whatever just based on what we heard. But I would really like to know from you all what you think the largest cities' assets are that we really need to capitalize on.

Let me first go up by saying a lot of your reports that you got back from people, I think it gets a little skewed when you're You know, obviously in a park or the pickleball court because you've got a different section that's saying, hey, pickleball is the most important thing. Or if you go to the senior center, you're going to get yeah I like the free bus rides.

So what I saw you, the place that you grew up, the library of course they're going to say the library, I hope they are enjoying it and can say it's the most important thing so I think it's important when you are polling these numbers and it's tough As it says in the report here, 77% of the people are now leaving town for work. So I don't think you got, in fact a lot of them here that people live in town but they didn't have jobs and that you were grabbing the things from them so it's important as we're trying to drive this document forward that there were polling and these numbers from sort of say everybody maybe especially It's, some of them are just getting home right now.

And it looks like we missed out a lot of that in finding what that section of the town needs. I don't know how you're going to be able to get them because a lot of them are too darn busy to report and some of the things that are perpetuating that number in 1990 was 40% of the town used to commute And in 2016 I think it was 60%. And now it's at 77. Now granted we have a lot of them at the base or something like that, but that's... We need to get to those people and find out what it is they want.

Right? Council Member Ridge.

I wanted to start with a question first. When you say city's largest assets, is that potential assets or today we have

that? Well yet we are planning looking out to 2050 so yeah I would say looking towards the future. We of course want to not completely forget about our assets now right so it could go either way I guess.

Well, I think for a city our size and some of the attributes are contradictory in a sense because I really love in a small town living there but you don't have enough to do. Those are kind of counterintuitive. But as far as our existing assets, I think it's obvious the base and commercial space. Classified because there is a move occurring or culture change that's occurring out of that base from what was traditionally government space, which might be once a year launch or twice a year to commercial space, which is two times a week or wherever we end up. So I think that's an asset.

River Park and River Bend Park, that whole area there could be a potential asset. We could meld those two parks together and create opportunities within that. I personally think pale blue dot is a future asset and it could very well be a signature attraction for the city, even if it only succeeded half as well. And I didn't see it in the report but the city voted for that.

Thought I was on Economic Development Committee 25 years ago and it seems like we constantly want to fight what we are. We are a bedroom community, so whatever we can do to enhance that. Obviously we want jobs. But even if it's out at the base, we come home to Lompoc. And so things like safety and the parks and the clean houses, all of that revolves around in my mind to it being my city.

I love living here and I come home here. In the past bedroom community almost seemed like a negative thing to say but In this day and age, maybe it's not. And I would see that as one of the reasons I moved here. So those would be my assets. Thank you.

Commissioner Cox, go ahead. Yeah,

I had a question. Out of the total recommendations up there how many people responded to give you these ideas?

We probably had 100 total.

Okay, so we have a town of 45,000 people and now we're taking recommendations from just 100. Is there any way you can get ahold of some of those 77% that drive out of town and find out if maybe you got 50 people working in one place? And somehow we could put a building here for them, city give them some tax breaks and free electricity for a few years and get those people to stay in town. Have you any way to track that or get their opinions?

Well, with our current engagement strategy that was not a priority. It was targeting a specific group. We did the best we could with our budget to have something and we actually threw in two extra events just to try to get some more that really stretched our budget, to be honest. I would love to and I would love to work with staff to make that work within the budget, absolutely.

Like Steve mentioned, 25 years ago he was on economic development. And basically you could rewrite his stuff then and it would be the exact same thing you put up there today. So instead of just getting us ideas we need to get the issues solved because I can give Like I said, you have 100 people who gave you an idea and you went to those two places to get those ideas.

So to me it just seems like we're redoing it and not really acting on anything.

Well, we aren't creating actions right now. That we're not even... We're two phases or three phases away from doing that. This is an exercise to make sure that I'm on the same page with all of you, right? And I know that may seem a little tedious and I'm sorry but that's it. I want to make sure that when I'm writing policy, I really understand what you and your constituents think are important And so part of the engagement approach is me coming to you and saying, what are you hearing in the community?

So in your recommendations, you will not provide any legal advice,

correct? No. I cannot provide legal advice.

Thank you.

Council Member Bull.

Yeah, just a couple of things. And again I think you make good points as we talk about the same things but again it's good to be aspirational and try to point towards some things. Just generally speaking for me, I still believe we're underachieving when it comes to our corridors so Asian Ocean and again if we talk about jobs, we talk about tourism, a lot of those people that do commute out-of-town do work in the hospitality sector or in the tourism sector Solvang gets one and a half million people a year for obvious reasons.

Obviously, if we could get 1% of that, we'd be in much better shape in terms of creating revenue opportunities, revenue to the city that we could invest in some of these other things that matter. So to me, that Highway One corridor or tourism making this place attractive having some pride I think all those things are They all matter, but those things kind of resonate with me. As far as events go I think and I love the events that we currently have but I think without sounding negative about it. Other cities around us have continued to evolve and create some new events and some fresh ideas, so again Lompoc has that luxury of having that beautiful moderate weather. Yes it does get windy sometimes but you know there's a good four or five months out of the year where I'm driving past a park that could be hosting an event.

It could be community centered or it could be pointed at people from out-of-town to actually come and visit stop and stay So I'd love to see more creativity in either standing up ideas ourselves or working with professionals to come engage with some new ideas. That would be something that I'd certainly be into. Two other things, and again this is just generally speaking, we have the lowest median income in the county. There's a lot of limitations to some of our folks. They may commute out-of-town for work but they still don't have enough money to even go to another town to do entertainment and enjoy things so they're stuck here. So I think for me anything that we can do to prop up and grow opportunities in parks and rec That is one of the greatest features of our city, is that we do put a lot of time and investment and effort towards giving a lot of young people opportunity.

I'd love to see that grow and stabilize and become a more critical part of our youth's future. And then last one is just business incentives. Again, whether it's an industry or a tech job, a tech company that has a lot of Lompoc employees in Goleta maybe try to attract them here but it could be things as simple as answering the question there's nothing to do in Lompoc so again reaching out to an owner of a bowling alley and saying hey might you consider coming here? Here's where it might work let me help you gauge the interest of those sorts of things and the city might be willing to have a conversation on how to get you started A quick question with Mr. Stones, everybody got these documents to provide when was the last public comment date on these?

For the assets

report? Yes

It was in June. I don't have it in front of me. I

don't remember the exact

date. I made a bunch of questions, comments on that stuff and you guys were able to incorporate quite a few of the things that I put in there and I appreciate

I think they're reflected in what I'm seeing, so.

You got them in? I

think so but I just talked to

them. I wasn't sure, I was just want to make sure everybody had an opportunity up here to get him in.

Well and I will say, I received your comments on the existing conditions and trends report which was the background report with all the data. Right. And we did make all those changes and go through all those comments. We did collect up all the comments. I wasn't

sure if everybody else had an opportunity to get something

in. With this report, the assets and opportunities report was published with agenda so we haven't taken your comments.

But the existing condition report you got

Yeah, yeah we took in everyone's comments that was willing to provide them and we made those changes.

Okay You didn't get any in? Did you get some I wasn't sure I wanted to make sure

so are you saying did I provide a specific list no I haven't done that but I've given my feedback

all right I just want to make sure everybody didn't fall through the cracks on The list but I appreciate

No, I mean check with

everyone else Go down the line. I'm just gonna ask Councilmember Starbuck next make sure That he got You had an opportunity? I had an opportunity.

I did not submit though.

Council Member Bridge? I made comments on this because it came to me this time directly.

I just wanted to make sure that it got out and didn't slide through the cracks. Am I welcome

to go over some of those for

you? Okay. Vega, you've got your reports? Okay, just making sure we didn't get slippage. All right, Council Member Starbuck.

Question and a suggestion. You're looking for input, and you know if you're looking for commuters and all that there is utility bills that go out every month if you wanted to pre-fill out A survey sheet that could be sent out in the utility billing and returned when the bill is paid. The only thing I guess would be a hassle is we may have to convert to full-size envelopes for return so it could fit in there, but that would be one way to get public input and really the cost would be menial at that point.

The question I had seemed as though way back when we kicked this off there was talk of I'm going to ask you a question.

No, the input we're receiving kind of touches on all the topics. Then you

will consolidate?

Yes exactly yeah when we start looking at the policies and breaking down that we have this big audit with all the policies and staff's comments to ad hoc comments then we'll start reconsolidating things

Councillor Boehme. I did have a quick question just for, you've done this type of work in many other places, I'm assuming. Let's talk sample size. Again, I think you made a good point. There are some other good points about did we get all the information? A hundred people, maybe it could be bigger or smaller but where does that fit into your career in terms of the sample size and are we missing an opportunity or is that a good enough sample to get the gist of what the community is about?

Well, I will say in any project, general plan project, I always wish I got more input. You're seeking it as much as you can but you have to educate folks and take their time and it is a lot. So I will always say I want more and more and more input that's why we try to promote these events too and let people know hey if you didn't you could come to this or you could put in a comment on our website. We try to make it as easy as possible within the budget of course But I will always take more comments. I will always encourage folks to comment as much as possible, just honestly.