City Council — August 4, 2026

Welcome to the regular meeting of Lompoc City Council, Tuesday August 4th 2026 630 PM. Madam Clerk please call roll.

Council Member Ball?

Present.

Council Member Bridge?

Present.

Council Member Vega? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Dirk Starbuck? Present. Mayor James Mosby?

Let's pray. Lord God, you are the highest authority and the greatest power. You're the most just judge. Hear us as your favored creatures and your appointed stewards over creation. We thank you for your blessings, your care and provision. We thank you for a beautiful and temperate home. Thank you that Lompoc has a historical connection to you. Lord increase our alignment with you and your ways Roll in our hearts and resurrect our soul's connection by your mercy and forgiveness.

Guide those who keep order and fight chaos in our community, bless the police, fire, emergency, healthcare workers who guard life and law in our town. Protect them. Give them discernment to identify truth and lies. Give them wisdom on the best steps to take. when combating evil and thwarting those who take advantage of others. Lord, thank you for this council. It holds a heavy weight of responsibility. Empower each member. Give them wisdom to navigate the interests of this community.

Embolden them to demand fairness and not favoritism to the wealthy and powerful or to the needy or poor. Make them thirst for righteousness and require accountability in their dealings. Watch over their loved ones, their family. Bless them for their sacrifice of surrendering time for Lompoc's ordered governance. Lord prosper Lompoc. Help our businesses thrive.

Cleanse our streets. Direct its servants and volunteers and give pride to our neighborhoods. Help us encourage each other to be diligent in caring for our homes and celebrating our community's beauty. Finally Lord draw us to your perfect love Inspire us to be good and morally pure as we surrender to your grace in your perfect way. Reveal more of yourself so we have clear direction in serving you.

All of this is yours, all of us belong to you. Make us more like your children. Bless in your power and love. Amen.

Please remain standing during the Pledge of Allegiance. Ready? Begin. City manager reports.

Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to take a chance to thank everybody who participated in the back-to-school backpack giveaway. This was brought about from our treasury and utility billing, and a lot of departments joined in. You still have a chance if you wanted to give some a backpack to your kid through August 6 by 5 p.m., and they'll be calling them people who received those backpacks directly on Friday, August 7th.

I also want to announce that the county is having a health fair. Families can go there to the Health Center at 301 North R Street tomorrow from 11-3 and they'll have a lot of offerings there along with physicals for sports, immunization and a variety of other resources. I also want to take a moment to update the council. We had something on the future agenda items for restrictive parking on 113 and 119 North A Street after the business owner realized that it would restrict the uses like food trucks, he wanted to pull that so we're going to take that off of the agenda items.

Council also requested an update on the municipal code review. In July, we started a project for recodification through a contractor called General Code. That was the first phase of the editorial and legal analysis phase in which General Code will review our muni code and compile it electronically and give it back to us in a workbook. That should be around October.

Once we get that, we'll have a chance And then we'll move into phase three. This responds to legal editorial and incorporate those responses into the code. General Code then will review the draft for consistency in proofreading, it'll come back to us, we'll have a chance of doing another edit. Once that's received from staff, we anticipate completing in October 27th they'll get that back and we will do the publication so... A little bit of a timeline, I can update you as things change or if we have updates to that.

I want to take a moment to thank Parks and Rec and the Fire Department for hosting this year's fire camp. They had 37 kids that went there. It was a three-day event. I want to thank the firefighters for their dedication in demonstrating fire safety throughout our community and teaching our local youth I just wanted to get an update on July 24th. We had the pinning ceremony for fire, we had a couple of people that were promoted, Louis Fierro became battalion chief, Trent Orden became captain, Jake Ochoa became captain and then we had four firefighters Mr. Gonzalez, McGee and Pino and Tello.

And that's all I have for tonight.

I've got a couple of questions that have come up. Maybe you can fill us in what's going on and such? It appears now we have three recreation fields, parks that are behind the eight ball so to say with being irrigated and watering.

I can give a real quick update. I know we've been hit with a lot of issues. Tell me what we got going on, what's going on with the lake as well? And you know, I might refer some that to Mr. Guerrero our community director but I know you and I were out today trying to figure out what's going on in River Bend Park. We also like you said there's a Beatty Park and River Park.

We're trying to do a lot of manual watering. We're doing a lot today trying to get the irrigation back up River Bend Park We have a lot of challenges, but we're going to do everything we can to get those fields ready for soccer. And I don't know Mario if you had anything to add to that? You're more than welcome.

The lake at the river park, it is being filled. We did do some maintenance out there so we will fill it up to capacity and monitor as needed but we're excited to get it back in working order.

We're trying to do everything you can to get those parks back up to snuff.

Maybe you can keep us, keep the public informed. I know we've got about 10% of the city's population will be connected with River Bend Park when soccer opens up there and maybe with the PIO and stuff we can let the public know what's coming along. We're always concerned about economic development in advertising to promote this city and right now we've got a ways to go on that one so...

That's a much tougher part to do manual overrides because it's on a well system, so we've got the water truck out there. We're going to do some training for fire if we can get some water down that way. I guess you call it a cannon sprinkler that we're going to put on the reel and try and get that to be utilized or work on that. We've got it running today. It's a piece of equipment that was in the yard, so we're trying everything we can to get water in those fields, and we'll get them fertilized too soon after we get them off that fatigue disk. So we are working diligently on those. We're going to do our best.

Thank you and I'll try to get the word out there too as well. Another quick question that I've come across recently and people have brought to my attention, and I mentioned it to you as well, The disposal of syringes and people are finding it very complicated. I went to CalRecycle, and within 25 miles they're not recognizing any facility. I did talk with the hospital. They said they would accept them but the gentleman I talked to went there and they wouldn't accept him.

Our street allegedly only accepts us if you're a patient so we have a lot of people out there who have syringed with insulin and other things that Maybe you could research in there and see what you can come up with that. With the help, again, of the PIO we can get some information out there but maybe there's some grants out there and we don't take them at our facility down here on V Street, correct?

Mr. Lutz said we don�t take them down there. It just seems like if people are selling them somebody should be taking them back.

I don't have much to add, but I can sure look into that.

I've had several calls on it and people kind of like, hey you're going to force people to throw them in garbage cans which we don't want either so... And one last thing that's coming up all the way around and that's the flock camera system that people are...I guess we've had a couple of them cut down

Yeah, I know a lot of people have misconceptions of how the FLOC system works. I think it's a great resource. I know maybe we can get some information out there on what we do with the data and how we utilize it and also how it helps recover stolen vehicles, a lot of them.

And I know we have it, you have to go down inside the police policy and procedure manual to page 467 to find out what you've got there. And I think you answer a lot of people's questions. The police chief was in that policy and procedure of how it's not to be used?

Correct. We're tomorrow we'll have a transparency page up specific to the LPR cameras that will give everybody the data and what we use it for how it's used. And complete transparency.

Yeah, and if you get that maybe transferred over to the PIO can help assist with getting that out there, but maybe a quick presentation of those Those pages.

Sure,

if you could do that as well would be good because I think you answered what a lot of people are giving me questions about your answering them there already so

I think something else worth mentioning Kevin Mr. Chief Martin if you wanted to say something about where we're at with the Jones first responder

Sure, as the council is aware you approved us to go forward with a drone as first responder. We have currently installed the equipment on the roof of the building this last three days our pilots have been training with the company and finished their training today they'll be doing some additional training down south At the end of this week, and we will be live next Wednesday on all 911 calls for drone as first responder. And they only fly on the 9-1-1 calls or specific calls with approval of police management if it's a SWAT operation or if fire needs it for an accident scene or something like that then we'll approve those kind of things but it's really important that the public understands it's only 911 calls When that drone flies, the camera is at the horizon.

It is not looking down. The pilot doesn't even take it over until it arrives on scene. So we're excited to share. We actually had a call as they were training today of a suspicious woman with a piece of metal in her hand swinging it around and the drone pilots were close by. They got on scene. They found her. She tried to hide. The drone pilots walked the officers into where she was hiding at, and we were able to deal with that without any use of force and get it resolved. So this is what we are expecting to see as we move forward with this new program.

And I think getting that information out there a lot of the public wants to hear not like what you're seeing it's going like Roseville if there's things going on in LA and things are boiling up and people are anticipating more than what's happening. Thank you.

Transparency page for the drone as first responders. So the public, you won't be able to see the video but you'll be able to see the call and the case number of the call was associated with in the flight path on a map that the drone took. And we'll do that within 24 hours of the call coming in.

I had a couple quick questions just kind of following up on things that we're trying to fix in our parks. Again, I know there's things always break at the park, Beatty Park playground floor looks a little bit messed up. Are we waiting for parts or pieces or funding to fix some of the playground issues at Beatty Park?

Yeah, we finally have a timeline from our contractor. August 14th is when they're planning on coming to resurface the damaged areas at Beatty and also they will do some patchwork it at Ryan for that there's a hole out there and then we are waiting on parts to fix the well We did fix the one swing at Beaty and there's one at Pioneer that will be fixed as soon as well

Thank you for that. And then I just wanted to say thank you, city manager and our fire department. I don't think Mr. Stuffins is here but again some folks were concerned about fire hazard and some issues up above South Street in the railroad. And I was driving past the other day and I saw it looks like County Fire was out there doing a lot of mitigation for some of the brush.

Again that's right on the edge and it's a high fire danger. So I just want to say thank you for working on that and for listening to the community as they were pretty stressed about that.

Thank you Mr. Mayor.

I'd like to piggyback on the flock issue. When we get the reports, I keep hearing that it's a great asset for vehicle recovery and so if we could see some statistics on that to understand that, I think that would be a nice addition. And I wanted to thank you for the update on the schedule. Perhaps we could get that in our box or email?

Yeah, we can do that, no problem. Okay, thanks.

Not tonight, but maybe in one of the upcoming sessions perhaps we could hear about the hiring and recruiting. I know that's got some critical positions that we need to get filled so... Last session we talked about an SB CAG letter going out. Did that letter go out?

Craig is that your letter?

I think that was a planning division item.

Maybe next session we could hear whether that went out or not?

You're talking about the letter about the regional growth forecast?

Yes, we were going to send out kind of a protest and

request

for models.

That is drafted but it hasn't been sent yet.

Okay. And then the last item was we got the response from SB CAG on the airport and it's been in review for a few months now, maybe we could hear something back on that as well. Okay

thank you. Speaking of letters did you guys get together to get that letter out to the railroad? On O and Laurel?

That hasn't been sent out yet either, but...

Guys are killing me.

It's going to be a long

process. How much trouble would we get in if that hole just miraculously got patched?

Well that's a good question.

What's it saying? I mean... The railroad moves very... If somebody went out there and patched that hole how much trouble right? Maybe they'd get a hold of you then!

The railroad moves very very slowly

Help me out with that one if you guys can. I know there's still people very upset about that one. Just one final thing, I know I'm carrying on a bunch but two major, major responses from people from the urban campers in the riverbed and very concerned. The dogs not feeling safe walking there with their family down on the bike path and stuff. And I know it's a perpetual I know people living there are Thank you very much.

Yeah, I think we're going to go out and do a task force. I think they went out yesterday. They didn't do tonight because they're preparing for the national night out but I know they're gonna go out tomorrow as well and if you council would like I could Go have some drone footage shot and see what it looks like And but we've done a lot of cleanup. We spent probably ten twenty thousand and notified people that need to move along and yeah, it's It's reoccurring, but we're trying to stay on top of it Councilman

I'm kind of piggybacking on that, just curious because again the riverbed has been an issue for many many years. It will continue to like you said perpetually it seems to be an issue. I understand there was an MOU being discussed between the county and our police department on maybe sharing some of their responsibility. Again from my understanding we're doing pretty good with staffing but it's still a challenge You know, get one task force always out there kind of keeping an eye on things. Are we moving forward with the county? Are we trying to build that

team or how's that working? I had a discussion with Mr. Amos who is the community service director and we've been working with them in trying to get an agreement with the sheriffs. I know me and Chief Martin have been talking as well. We've been going out together and working on encampment resolutions and they've been doing it as much as we have On the cleanup side, so yeah we still haven't done a formal memorandum but we are still in discussions and we're still working together.

I definitely love to hear about some sort of follow-up in the next few months on that. I do think that is critical because I mean with a couple of injuries or a couple of things Don't work out for us. We're going to have to pull back from the riverbed and it will go back to the way that it was, worst case. So again I'd love to hear that there's a strategic plan that's sustainable for dealing with that long term.

Thank you.

Very good thank you City Manager. I know we hit with either bunch of questions and it's recorded so you can catch it again later right?

That's what I'm here for.

Yes sir appreciate you All right, we'll open up to public comment on consent calendar. Maximum of three minutes. I'll read it into the record. We have number one's approval ratification expenditures for payroll at $2.156 million and a voucher registered June 29th 2026. through July 3rd, 2026 at 1.37 million and a voucher register of July 6th through 10th, 2026 4.135. What did we buy then? We bought some good stuff.

Number two is adoption of ordinance number 1748, princeties 26 in Minneapolis-Lompoc Municipal Code chapter 1312 cross connections to reflect newly adopted state regulations and standards outlined in the State Water Resource Control Board's Cross Connection Policy Handbook. And number three is award $238,000. Direct the city manager to execute construction contract Long-awaited project for a lot of people. Number four is award the contract purchase order in amount of $449,000 to Hacker Equipment for the purchase of a solid waste division replacement sweeper. Number five's award contract purchase order in amount of $437,000 Inland Kinworth Incorporated for the purchase of a street maintenance division replacement sweeper truck and adoption resolution number 6839 parentheses 26 approving supplemental procedures on budget adjustments And almost there, almost there.

We're actually there? Okay public comments go ahead.

Good job on the stage about time but the main thing was why do two different street sweepers cost difference? There's $12,000 difference between the two. Why don't we just buy from the cheaper one, two of them? Just a question. Trying to save money everywhere as we got one that's $449,000. The other one is $437,000, $12,000 difference for the same vehicle. This does the same purpose.

It sweeps a road with some water. Just curious. Thank you.

Maybe one has a better turbo. I don't know. We'll find out. Anybody else? Public comment on consent calendar.

Good evening. My name is Rene and I serve as the lead organizer with 805 UndocuFund. Recently, I heard a parent tell their child study so you don't end up like me. That sentence has stayed with me. It reminded me of so many immigrant parents in our community who left behind their homes, their families, their language and everything they knew Not because it was easy, but because they believed their children deserved a better future. They sacrificed everything with hope that their kids would grow up in a community where government worked for the people not for special interests or political agendas.

Because of my role with 805 UndocuFund I have the privilege of speaking every week with business owners, workers, parents, seniors and families from every part of Lompoc. Despite coming from a different background, I continue to hear the same message. People feel like this city no longer works for them. They ask why our roads continue to deteriorate. They ask why beautification projects seem limited.

They ask why our unhoused neighbors continue to struggle while the burden of helping them falls almost entirely on non-profit organizations and volunteers. They don't see the comprehensive strategy that addresses mental health, physical health, addiction, job readiness or housing stability. Too often what they see are efforts to move people from one place to another instead of helping them rebuild their lives.

People are losing confidence because they don't see results. I also expect leaders to hold themselves to the same standards Except from everyone else, when residents receive citations for unkept properties while prominent properties remain neglected it creates the perception of a double standard. Whether intended or not that perception damaged public trust.

Trust is the foundation of good government. That is why transparency and accountability matter. Community participation cannot be treated as an afterthought. Residents deserve to be heard before decisions are made, not after. They deserve a city hall that welcomes difficult conversations, values public input, and demonstrates that every neighborhood matters.

Our immigrant families came here believing that government could be responsive to its people. Every family in Lompoc deserves that same belief today. I encourage the City Council to commit itself to transparency, accountability and meaningful community engagement. Listen to the people who elect you, work alongside organizers already serving this community. Invest in solutions that improve the quality of life for everyone not just a select few because at the end of the day this isn't about politics it's about whether the people of Lompoc can once again believe their city is working for them thank you.

Okay again this is about public comment on consent calendar There will be general oral communications after this is public comment on the consent calendar. So that's items one through five.

And it is still three minutes, so those are valid comments that came before me although to hear those at the county spending millions and millions of dollars addressing the mental health issues And the homeless issues in our community. So, that's where it needs to be focused. They're the ones with the money.

Simonyo, anybody else? We have everybody on Teams, phones or whatever?

There is no public comment via Teams.

Seeing nobody else rise, we'll close public comment on consent calendar. Bring it back to council for a motion maybe a quick answer to the question I know one is of the street sweepers being purchased by Solid Waste and ones being purchased by Streets so why does Solid Waste cost more money? Anybody know? Different manufacturer

They are different manufacturers and streets has a slightly different need. So I'm not sure why that one's slightly less, but to equip the same street sweeper if you look at their staff report, that one is about it's almost $500,000 for this same brand to do streets needs.

Okay? Anybody, Council Member Ridge? Council Member Bridge wants to pull item number four. Anybody

else with a motion?

Comments, questions? Council Member Vega?

I'd like to make a motion that we accept consent calendar minus item four. It's been moved by Council

Member Vega and seconded by Council Member Ball. Let's go ahead and vote. It barely passes 5-0. Drumroll please. Staff presentation. Presentation from Parks and Rec staff regarding River Bend Park soccer field restoration development and direction and input from Council.

Good evening Mayor, Council. Tonight we're excited to present a presentation on River Bend Park Soccer Field and Restoration Development. This was a council request, a double council request from the Mayor Mosby and Council Member Bridge. Items of discussion tonight. The first one would be riverbend park phase 3 which is located on the current agriculture field and rehabilitation of existing soccer fields that are currently on the other side of the street. And just an overview of our current parks and recreation facility use policies for Pleasure of the Council. If we wanted to ask questions after each section, that's fine or if you want to wait until the very end.

Phase 3, we're going to present some conceptual options for that area. And an overview of our project goal. It would be to develop approximately 11 acres of soccer field facilities at River Bend, provide recreational infrastructure to support youth and adult athletic programs, and we'll evaluate the multiple development concepts with varying levels of improvement in cost. And just kind of four of the areas of the conceptuals. Some major highlights that kind of differ are big ticket items would be, the first item would be synthetic turf fields with lights and sod turf with lights Just a quick question, Mario. Does the 11 acres include our existing soccer fields or is 11 acres additional?

The land of the south. And then the first concept, the synthetic turf with lights. This project would cost approximately $19,975,000. So some key features would be again a synthetic turf soccer field with lights, concrete paths and bleachers, full asphalt parking lot, restroom concession stand similar to J&M Park, concrete walking paths and landscape The first two concepts are more of your soccer type of complexes which our fields are open fields. To give you an idea, this is what we're looking at here.

This would be the asphalt parking lot and here would I'm going to talk a little bit about what we're doing. We have the distinct concrete walking paths around each field with bleachers that would promote tournaments and bring people in for different levels of play. The next concept would be We would have lights instead of concrete. We would do DG paths and bleachers still, DG parking lot. Still have our restroom and concession but focus more on the DG aspect.

And then this kind of shows in the same way that the parking lot would be DG, be surrounded and still have three distinct areas out there that would be geared more for bleachers and promoting tournament play. Our next concept is kind of a 3 and a 3.5. The previous, I'll go back real quick. The project cost on this would be estimated at $14,425,000. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

And that would be a $7.9 million project, and if we went hydrocede it would be 7.1. And you can see here, there wouldn't be any distinct designation. It would kind of be like our current fields across the street and we'd have the parking lot all DG with the concrete handicap access and then we'd have a pad here where we could put porter potties as needed just like across the street.

And then there would still be a DG walking path around that For the public to be able to walk it as well as distinct, the mow line for the turf out there. And just an overall summary of what the concepts would consist of and these pricings do include a 25% contingency. And just kind of a couple of the highlights since we don't have it all broken down. A couple of the big ticket items between which project that you pick or potential, it would be 2.7 to 3.7 on the demolition and the grading. There would be some soil, the remediation. That kind of summarizes the phase 3 I've

got a question, you mentioned remediation. What do you have to remediate for the soil?

It depends what the soil comes back tested. The city of Santa Maria is building four fields, and they had to go down a certain level and get the soil turned and do some remediation of that. So we haven't gone that far yet in testing. We've done surveying of the land, but we haven't tested our soil yet if we're going to turn them into soccer fields.

I just, out of curiosity over there they have oil other things. What would this place here is guys growing organic vegetables on it so what potential for remediation would be here?

It would just be what's in the soil. They're building their soccer field on ag land as well, so it would be that same consideration of getting that tested at the third party and then seeing what comes back. And if there's none, then we'd be able to move forward. If there is a certain level that we have to turn and grub it out, then we will address that

issue. I wonder maybe the guy who's growing vegetables needs some remediation. So another question for you. So that land is in the 100-year floodplain, so how do you propose putting structures

up? Structures on the lights or...

No, you got snack bars and permeable asphalt parking lots. How are you supposed to put that stuff up?

So currently this section here The EIR is out of the floodplain, so we can't have fixed structures in this section here? Let me

just first tell you that map that's filed in the EIR is not correct. The 100-year base flood elevation number comes all the way to the south side over there on those hills. We've seen it El Nino full of water, 69 full of water. So I commented before in the past that EIR map because they show The other thing is granted you have soccer but the original plan showed it was also softball. It's important that we get as much grass for Councilmember Vega.

Mario, great presentation. What I'd like to know is where's the money for this and how do we get the money? So one of the concepts here is it's taken a long time to get anywhere here but I thank you for the presentation. But is there any structural plan to get the money whether it's $7 million or $14 million or is this just a presentation to make us Thank you.

It's currently unfunded. So we are looking at grant possibilities that there is another grant coming out, but unfortunately this section doesn't qualify due to the income standards and then the acreage of the one grant that will be coming out. It's unfortunate that projects of this thing are so high We look at these 11 acres.

How do you make it more viable? You know, like you do it in stages as we've done many projects. I think what happens here in Lompoc, Lompoc's in great need of improvements, things to do, things to happen here within our lifetime and a lot of these projects are just conceptual so I think that we need to, as a council Thank you. find a funding source and stage any of these projects that we bring because as council, we have the power to actually take a vote to implement move these things forward. But as you can see look what happens with Ryan Park Stage. You know they have some people that are sponsoring it and tonight we're going to be voting on or we're voting on here for funding for that stage but look how long it's taken you know and I'm sure you're frustrated also So I think that we need to do a little better here because by the time you You talk about it for years, and then everybody's grown up and gone off and moved away.

I think we need to speed things up and not stop saying, we've got to wait for a grant, we've got to do this, let's find out where there is money and see what we can do in stages. If we can't do 11 acres, can we do five acres? Can we do six acres and stage it at least to get started? I'm kind of like the concept number two, I think Lompoc deserves A nice park with restrooms, not outhouses.

Councilmember Bolton.

In many ways I agree funding is always a frustrating thing, but this helps us kind of build a vision of what could be and then start to ask those tough questions. Where might we get the money from? Who might step up? And I did like the idea of possibly phasing. I agree that the quality should matter and we should be proud of whatever we put up there. And I guess that leads to my first question about At the bigger picture level, if it was a really, really nice complex. You talked about importing people on the weekends, tournaments. Can you elaborate at all on what that could or might look like? Because I think part of it had... Again, it's hard to see but when I've got 1,000 people in town half of them staying in a hotel or eating or shopping, that has to have a positive impact as well But how do we pay for it and how should we consider the tournament potential or outsiders coming in?

Yeah, so I would consider if the goal of council is to bring people in town and to be able to utilize that year-round, the synthetic turf option would be the best option for multiple reasons. We can play on it 52 weeks a year. Upkeep and maintenance obviously we're having problems in our parks currently with our level of staffing, our supply money etc., so to bring I'm going to start by saying that 11 acres of turf land would be a tough deal with our current inventory If we put in turf fields, again, We would have to shut down for maintenance periodically. We would have to have a little bit more supply money and stuff to be able to keep that level of turf from once it's in there, to a playable level so we can attract people.

12 or 13 acres across the street and it's unplayable. It's hard, so it's limited play. We try to recruit people to come in for tournaments but they don't want to come in because of the conditions of the field. So to put an investment in for that on turf on the other side To maintain what would be another. There's one thing to build it and there's another thing to keep it maintained so that's as council, that would be something to think about we can build it but how can we keep it at that level? So sure there would be an additional cost to that on a

yearly basis. Thank you for that. And again, I just think it's worth asking...I know there are a lot of parameters, very specific parameters for grant funding and sometimes it's in relationship to how close that park might be in proximity to income levels within your community. I'd like to go back and if they say no or it's just impossible maybe so but obviously something of this quality, of this caliber Would benefit everyone in the community. Someone would drive from that side of town to go here to play, so it would be a benefit to the entire community considering that Lompoc is in some ways a hardworking lower income disadvantaged community I wonder if there's a new way to ask that question and just check the box Because this is a much more substantial thing than just the park around the corner.

This is, this is a big one for me. And then just out of curiosity and no one likes it because no one likes taxes or bonds or anything but I again to the point of having some sort of idea doesn't mean that we agree with it or we would push it but how might a bond work in this case. So that's something over time I'd like to learn about and see if that may come down to it, Lompoc will never have enough perhaps but maybe there is an investment opportunity but the community has to be behind that too so I just love to learn more and see if there are other communities that have used that.

Maybe there's case studies where I can look it up and see how nice that facility is and start to study the economic impact of that within those communities

I think I heard you mention the size, but I didn't quite catch it. What is our existing park size?

I believe across the street? Yes. I think it's about 15 to 16 acres. So

it's comparable in size to this?

Across the street is bigger. You can have about...I think it might be a little bit bigger than that. You can put full-size soccer fields across the street so it is a bigger property.

As you were going through this, do you know what the cost of lights were? I saw it with lights without lights but I think you had bathrooms and stuff buried in that number $7 million. So do you have a feel for what lights cost