BodyCity Council
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 April 13, 2026

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:30

Good evening and welcome to the Solvang City Council Special Closed Session. We're beginning at 530 this evening, and Madam Clerk would you read the roll call please?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:46

I pledge allegiance to the flag

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role6:48

of the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:48

United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:15

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role7:20

Thank you. Okay I'll ask first for any public comment on the closed session. Anything either locally or on Zoom? Seeing none I will close public's communications. Madam Clerk would you please read into the record our closed session items

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:45

Recess to closed session. Item 2A, Conference with Real Property Negotiators pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.8, Property 4784th Place, Solvang, CA 8PM 139173014 Agency Negotiator Randy Murphy City Manager Negotiating party C.R.A. Solvang, R.E., LLC under negotiation both price and terms. Item 2B conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation initiation of a litigation pursuant to government code 54956.9d4 two potential cases.

Item 2B, Conference with Legal Counsel Existing Litigation Pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.9 D1 Name of Case South Coast Property Company 13 B LPV City of Solvang et al Case Number 22 CB00254

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role8:40

Thank you. I thought I heard 2B twice, but the last one was 2C starting with conference with legal counsel existing litigation so for the record that's what I heard. I apologize if I missed it but should be to see on the last item. There are

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed8:57

two cases

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role8:58

on 2B. 2B or not 2B?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:02

And there

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role9:02

is a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed9:02

13B as part of C.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role9:05

Yeah, just confirmation. Okay we will then recess to closed session

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:10:35

I'm

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:10:42

giving a presentation to some second graders. Mark, we have to finish the meeting

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:10:53

out.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:10:59

We're in between. Okay, we are reconvened from our closed session. Is there any action Madam Attorney?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction1:11:19

Good evening thank you Mayor members of the council on all three closed session items oh well three with two potential cases on item B So count it how you want, three or four. There are no reportable actions thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:11:37

Thank you then I will close our closed session and adjourn that and we will begin our regular session at 6 35. Welcome everybody to the Solvang City Council for April 13 2026. I would ask that everybody please silence your phones so we don't have mid

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America Thank you, Haley. Nice of you to do that. Glad to see you here. Roll call please.

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Council Member Infante? Here. Council Member Claudia Rona? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Smith? Here Council Member Elizabeth Arona? Here Mayor Brown? Here

Okay, it's always a privilege to read these proclamations that we have and acknowledge those that work so hard on behalf of our community. And first up is the April is Donate A Life Month. And this is DMV Donate Life Month Proclamation. Whereas organ, eye, tissue, marrow and blood donation are life-giving acts recognized worldwide as expressions of compassion to those in need. And more than 103,000 individuals nationwide and more than 23,000 in California are currently on the National Organ Transplant Waiting List And on average, 17 people die each day while waiting. And whereas the need for donated organs is especially urgent in Hispanic, Latino and African American communities and a single individual's donation of the heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, pancreas and small intestine can give up to eight lives and donation of tissues can save and heal the lives of more than 75 others.

And whereas organ donors saved more than 46,000 lives last year and any person can register to be an organ eye and tissue donor regardless of age or medical condition. Also being a registered donor does not impact the quality of life saving medical care a person receives in an emergency. And whereas, California residents can sign up with the Donate Life California donor registry online at any time by visiting www.donatelifecalifornia.org or for Spanish speakers www.donvidacalifornia .org and whereas, California residents can sign up to be an organ, eye and tissue donor When applying for or renewing their driver's license or ID cards at the California Department of Motor Vehicles, or California residents interested in saving a life through living kidney donation may visit www.livingdonationcalifornia.org Now therefore be it resolved that I, Mayor David Brown along with the City Council of the city of Solvang California do hereby proclaim April 26th as DMV Donate Life Month and in doing so we encourage all Californians to check YES on online Do we have somebody from donate a life to receive this?

I have a little pink heart on my driver's license that I'll donate. You know, fortunately the brain there is nothing there. I do have a big heart and you can have it.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:16:19

I will make a couple of small, short comments using the mic to be different. Thank you Mayor for this and City Council. This proclamation will go in about two weeks down to a run walk down in Los Angeles where there'll be about 20,000 people watching this or seeing this as they go by doing their annual walk-run so it's being very well...it'll be noticed and then after that it'll end up in Solvang and hopefully when you're there you might be able to see it on the wall but hopefully you won't I ended up with my kidney almost 11 years ago. A lady who was a nurse at Cottage Hospital I'm one of the very few people that go to the DMV and thank them for being my heroes.

Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:18:15

Another proclamation, it's a little more disturbing and I hope it resonates well though. This is Child Abuse and Sexual Assault Awareness Prevention Month whereas child abuse And sexual assault are serious community issues that require collective action to prevent and address. And individuals of all racial, cultural and economic backgrounds can fall victim to sexual violence which has a profound and lasting impact on survivors and the entire community.

And whereas statistics highlight the urgency of prevention, as one in six boys and one in four girls will experience sexual assault before the age of 18. Emphasizing the need for education awareness and intervention. And then North County Child Welfare Services received 3,927 cases for investigation. Underscoring the prevalence of child abuse and the need for continued efforts to protect children, strengthen families and support survivors.

And whereas emotional and physical scars resulting from sexual violence and Making it essential for communities to come together to educate, support and advocate for survivors while challenging harmful attitudes and behaviors that enable abuse. And whereas effective Prevention programs succeed through strong partnerships among social service agencies, schools, youth organizations, faith communities, civic groups, law enforcement, businesses and residents demonstrating that prevention is possible.

Whereas increasing education, awareness and community engagement plays a vital role in preventing child abuse and sexual violence while recognizing the resilience of survivors. And the dedication of professionals, volunteers and advocates who work tirelessly to support them. Now therefore be it resolved that I, Mayor David Brown along with the City Council of City of Solvang California do hereby proclaim April 2026 as Child Abuse Awareness and Prevention Month. And in doing so I call upon all citizens community agencies faith organizations medical professionals, and businesses to deepen their commitment to preventing child abuse, dispelling myths about sexual violence, and strengthening the safety and well-being of our community. In witnesses thereof I have undue set my hand and have caused the official seal of the City of Solvang California to be affixed this 13th day of April 2026."

And we have a person to accept that tonight? What's your name? Sabrina, thank

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you.

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PresenterSabrina RossNorth County Rape Crisis and Child Protection CenterProposedself-stated1:21:41

Good evening Mayor Brown and members of the City Council. My name is Sabrina Ross, I'm the Associate Director of the North County Rape Crisis and Child Protection Center. Thank you for recognizing and honoring our work with these proclamations recognizing Sexual Assault Awareness Month and Child Abuse Prevention Month. I am grateful that the City of Solvang stands with us in our mission to eradicate all forms of sexual violence and child abuse.

As we mark the significance of the month of April, let us remember that education is the key to prevention. I can say with confidence that each of us in this room would rather prevent child abuse or sexual assault from ever occurring than to have to intervene in the aftermath of such a heinous crime. This is why our outreach and educational programs are so critical, and why our partnerships with schools, city leadership, and law enforcement are essential. Our children in our communities deserve to be safe and to grow up knowing they can live free from abuse, and those who have been or are being abused know they are not alone and there are people who will help them.

Last month, I had the privilege of assisting a survivor of child sexual abuse prepare his victim impact statement for the sentencing of his abuser. I met him when he was in seventh grade and he is now a junior in high school. As he was dictating his statement for me to type up, I asked him, when did you realize what happened to you as abuse? And why did you decide to speak up?

This survivor was abused at an age so young that he truly didn't understand what was happening with abuse. He replied, when I was in seventh grade some ladies came into my class and talked about sexual assault and how to say no and who to talk to if something happened to you. After that presentation, I was thinking about telling my mom and I eventually did.

He told his mom who contacted law enforcement. Law enforcement investigated and another victim came forward. The district attorney's office prosecuted that case and the abuser was sentenced to 24 years in prison. What began with our Child Safe program continued with the courage of a survivor and ended with prevention because that perpetrator will never hurt another child again.

When people ask me where I work, the response is often, I didn't know there was a rape crisis center here. To which I gently reply most people do not know we exist until they need us and while I would never wish upon any individual or family that they become in need of our services it is deeply important that people know we are here and that is where you come in. Proclamations like this evening's may feel like a routine part of city council meetings But these and the support you provide our agency is incredibly valuable to our work in the community we serve because we cannot do this work alone. The story I shared with you would not have been possible if we didn't have the support of city leaders like you, if we didn't have the community donors that fund our educational and counseling programs, if we didn't have strong partnerships with law enforcement and the district attorney's office.

It took a village and everyone here as part of that village. As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I wish I'd had this kind of village. Much like my client, I didn't understand what happened to me until I was in my teens and I felt very alone trying to process that experience and those memories well into adulthood. While I am not the reason our educational efforts are so important, my own experience is what fuels me every single day. Every child deserves safety and when they aren't safe they deserve to know that help is available. No child and no adult should ever have to suffer in silence.

As we continue this fight against sexual violence and child abuse, we need you our City Council leaders to be our ambassadors. To carry the message that education and awareness are not optional they are vital to building a safe and healthy community. Mayor Brown and members of the City Council thank you for your ongoing commitment to the safety of your city and thank you again for this honor and for being our steadfast partners in our work.

Thank You

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:25:38

Mayor Brown, members of the council. Just briefly with me also are several members of our victim witness support staff really the angels of the criminal justice system who provide the victims not only with support with services with guidance but they allow us to give the victims a voice In preparation for budget, I was looking at stats from last year and unfortunately in Santa Barbara County child sexual abuse is up 19%. We have 19% more open cases involving child sexual abuse this year than we did last year.

And it is a topic nobody wants to talk about or even think about or even imagine But the more aware we are, the more we can identify. The more our mandatory reporters are educated, the more likely they will be able to intercede either at an early stage or before serious abuse occurs. It is a commitment of the district attorney's office to do what we can to hold defenders responsible and to help the victims as they move from being a victim to a survivor.

For those of us who are lucky enough to live in the valley, we know that one of the prevailing characteristics of the Santa Ynez Valley is that we are neighbors. The reason we live here, the reason we love living here is because we actually have neighbors. We get to know each other and I know how caring everybody in this community is And I'm confident if anybody is hurt, they would have the support of this council in this community as a whole. So thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:27:32

Thank you very much and thank you for your team that are here today and the work they do appreciate it. Okay, on a lighter note we're going to take a new proclamation for the National Library Week. Whereas libraries spark creativity fuel imagination and inspire lifelong learning Offering a space where individuals of all ages can find joy through exploration and discovery, and libraries serve as vibrant community hubs connecting people with knowledge technology and resources while fostering civic engagement critical thinking and cultural enrichment. And whereas libraries provide free and equitable access to books, digital tools and innovative programming ensuring that all individuals regardless of background have the support they need to learn connect and thrive.

And libraries partner with schools businesses and organizations to maximize resources increased efficiency and expand access to essential services strengthening the entire community. And whereas libraries empower job seekers, entrepreneurs and lifelong learners by providing access to resources, training and opportunities that support career growth and economic success.

Libraries nurture young minds through story times, STEM programs, literacy initiatives, fostering curiosity and love of learning that last a lifetime. Libraries protect the right to read, think and explore without censorship standing as champions of intellectual freedom and free expression. And whereas dedicated librarians and library workers provide welcome spaces that inspire discovery collaboration and creativity for all And libraries, librarians and library workers across the country are joining together to celebrate National Library Week under the theme Find Your Joy.

Now therefore be it resolved that I Mayor David Brown along with the City Council of the city of Solvang California do hereby proclaim April 19th through the 25th 2026 as National Library Week During this week, I encourage all residents to visit their library, explore its resources and celebrate all the ways that libraries help our community find joy. In witnesses thereof, I have unto set my hand and have caused the official seal of the City of Solvang California to be affixed as 13th day of April 2026.

And we have who today? Oh, our librarian. The boss is here.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:30:36

My name is Erin and I am indeed your librarian. I hope you come see me at the Solvang Library. We have active programming for all ages, so I hope to see families at our story times and grown-ups at our book club. We have a gardening club, a seed library, crafting groups, and fiber arts. So any of those activities sound appealing to you please come on by And also, I hope that you take advantage of our resources. We are really proud to support the community and having available things to check out like hotspots if you have trouble with your internet connection in the valley which i know is a problem for many.

You can check out movies, you can check out audio books and you can check out park passes so there are things other than books that we have and we'd be delighted to see you to share those resources So please come by.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:31:36

Thank you. When you're in the library, be quiet, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:40

We do not shush. Okay. We encourage active discussion.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:31:44

Good to know.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:45

And as we are one room space, uh, you will be participating in conversations

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:31:50

with... Well there's a myth right there that you can extinguish. Yeah. Good to know. Thank you so much for all you do and congratulations for this National Library Week and spread the joy. Yes. Thank you. Okay, our next is a presentation from Olive Crest Services and Community Impact in the San Ynez Valley or welcome that presentation.

CommentSally CookProposedself-stated1:32:21

Thank you Mayor Brown, thank you council members for having me here today. My name is Sally Cook I am one of the co-founders of Hope Refuge Campus now Olive Crest Hope Refuge Campus and we are a residential treatment program that works with sex traffic minors so girls who've been sex trafficked between 12 and 18 years old here, up here in the valley. So I don't know how familiar you are with trafficking but I just want to take some time this evening in this short presentation just to share with you a little bit about our journey, how this came about and share with you really what's happening here in Santa Barbara so that you can leave informed and ways to engage in what's happening.

So for us, this whole crazy journey began when my husband and I were living down in Hollywood. That was actually where our lives were, and our dreams were. And we went to visit a friend one morning at her church, and there was a lady from an anti-trafficking movement. No one was really talking about trafficking back then. This is 2013. And she got up to give him maybe a three minute announcement.

In it she shared that sex trafficking of minors is now the fastest growing criminal industry in the USA and that the average age of entry is 12 years old. And we were like, yeah, like some of you. We were like no, are you kidding me? Went up to her afterwards and said please tell us we heard you wrong. She went no. Let me tell you what's happening underneath your nose on the streets of Hollywood. Started to tell a story after story.

And my husband and I left shocked, really shocked. And we spent the next six to eight weeks Just spending time looking at what was really happening. How is it happening here in America? Who's it happening to? Only to really come to the conclusion that this really is modern-day slavery at its worst, so let me tell you some of the things we learned. So we learned actually about what human trafficking is, what sex trafficking is and sex trafficking is when an individual is buying or trading or selling a sexual act without child And when I talk about a sexual act, we're talking obviously about online and street prostitution.

Massage parlours, strip parlours sexting phone sex even mail order brides fits under this category. And the reason it's happening is it is big business. This is a $170 billion wide industry worldwide, should I say? They're saying there's not a specific number here in America but they're saying potentially around 25 billion dollar industry here in America so that is why we have a supply we have We have a demand, basically here in America now. And there is a trafficker or pimp who's ready to exploit that and create, fill that need. And obviously it's our children who are the victims.

So we learned about this and we were totally shocked. And we learned a few things. So we learned how it was happening Very different to possibly how it's happening overseas and how you may have in your mind if this is, if overseas where a child has just taken. Here in America the primary way in which it's happening is a process called grooming and this grooming process is a very seductive manipulative process where our teenagers are Particularly vulnerable teenagers are exploited for their vulnerabilities. So let me give you an example of one of the girls who came to Hope Refuge. She actually moved into Ventura from out-of-town, so she was a 14 year old girl who was looking for friends.

So that was already a vulnerability for her. Her father actually wasn't on the scene, so there was a void there in her life and she had people who were willing you know obviously to be her friends but she was invited to a party one Friday evening and of course she wanted to go to make friends only to meet seemingly Mr Right And Mr. Wright was a 19-year old young boy and or young man, and he started to treat her like the princess that she was.

So a pimp or trafficker will can spend six months even a year grooming a child because they're going to be making them a lot of money And for this young lady, it was about seven months that she was in this relationship. And he got her hair done and her nails done and took her out to events and got her clothes, got her the phone that she really wanted that her mother couldn't afford and was starting to really fill the needs, really meet the needs.

And he had actually introduced her to some risky behavior with drugs that often fits in in this category. And then after about seven months, Said to her, honey. I am so sorry. I've got myself into some real trouble and I owe some money And I'm hoping you can help me out because you are beautiful You're stunning and this way we can make some money and sort this problem out overnight There's a bachelor party and I would like your help strip there tonight and you would be the main attraction He'll promote the whole thing And of course she doesn't want to.

But like you were just hearing here about sexual abuse, 85% of victims have sexual abuse in the background. So money, sex and authority is all warped anyway so when he says but if you love me she does. So she steps over the mark that night and she was then brought into more force fraud and some beatings and made to do things that she didn't want to do And this is very difficult for us to understand, well then why did she stay? I mean clearly he's not Mr Right.

Well if you just put yourself in her shoes she just wants back this love the seemingly perfect love that she had yesterday Remember he spent six months, seven months he spent grooming this child. And so what she feels is she doesn't see herself as a victim it's shrouded with shame and so she continues this and the pimp will continue to play on that as well and like we're making this money for you and I to go over to Hawaii and we're gonna be spending this life together and you know you're making a lot of money how else are you going to make this kind of money?

And so before these girls know it, they find themselves in situations they don't want to be. And the crazy thing because of this grooming process, they don't see themselves as a victim. They do not identify as a victim and because they don't identify as victims, they just think that bad girls who've made some really bad choices and got themselves into a bad situation. So that masks this even further. The authorities and those on the front lines or in schools working with the kids is finding it very hard to identify So we learned about this, we learned about people, girls and boys getting caught up in the entertainment industry in this kind of crime as well.

And there are those who get snatched but they're few and far between. Why have someone who you're taking when you could have someone voluntary there? So this really is big business and so once we realized what was really going on here in America, we just determined we're in! We want to be in, we want to be part of the solution Very quickly, once we put our hands up and just dived in with the non-profit that was there. Very very quickly we learned down in Los Angeles there was a big event and they were informing everybody at the time that there are only 100 beds in all of America to serve this population And we're saying there's a government statistic of upward of 300,000 a year are getting caught up in this crime.

A touching trafficking and we do not have the beds which is a program specifically with the level of trauma informed work to address the trauma so they're ending up in all the wrong places. They're either acting out and they're ending up in juvenile hall They're either internalizing, they're ending up in a psych ward or maybe in a rehab program or group home that aren't addressing trauma. And so this cycle continues and they continue to run, they continue not to get the help that they need. And so that was a bit of information that lodged into our head at that time.

So that's where our journey began because we came across this beautiful... I think we've got a picture for you, this beautiful location here in Santa Barbara And in 2015, we moved up to join everybody up here in Santa Barbara and move up here to open a facility. It's the largest facility here in California. We serve up to 16 girls used to be 24 another reason but it's a federal law that put everyone back down to 16 but we serve up to 16 girls between the ages of 12 and 18, and they come to our facility. Do you have that picture there? Is there one there for everyone to see? It's a large what used to be a camp, and this camp was a bit run down so we spent several years with everybody in the community pulling this back together and creating something that...

There it is, yeah. Creating a facility where girls could really find refuge, and we're very remote Part of the advantage of it is we're remote, so they don't run. And they stay long enough to actually decompress and get the help that they need. We have a school on site with individual counseling, group counseling. We have survivor leaders who come and work with them.

And we've been working closely with the DA's office and the Human Trafficking Task Force where we're leaders in that too. And actually if you bring up the next slide, you'll see some statistics about what's happening here in Santa Barbara So this is just some statistics taken from law enforcement cases only. So what's happening with law enforcement in the District Attorney's Office, so it's just a piece of the pie but you get to see why Santa Barbara is a problem here. But since 2017 there's been 283 investigations, 261 survivors amongst this, and you'll see there that just under 60% are our minors and non-minor dependents under the age of 24. 40% of whom are Santa Barbara residents. So unfortunately where Santa Barbara is located We are known as a corridor town.

So we are between the highest grossing areas for trafficking, which is Sacramento and San Francisco, San Diego and Los Angeles, and we have a thriving tourist business. And because of that sex trafficking is alive and well And so we have a lot of work to do here in Santa Barbara. There's a lot of organizations, I think there's 20 organizations, 24 organizations, I think working with the District Attorney's Task Force trying to create a whole continuum of care to go after this crime.

But one of the biggest things Santa Barbara realized they needed back in 2014 with the study was a program with the level of care that we're doing and so we opened in 2020 We've served nearly 100 girls to date, and they are amazing resilient young ladies. And we encourage you if you want to, we would love Council Member Louise is going to be coming up for a tour and we encourage you to come and see the place.

It's very unique. It's 200 acres, but the girls are amazing and 75% of them now who are going through our education program, we partner with Trivium, a school in town. They have individualized learning whilst they're going through the program. There's 75% of them are graduating high school whilst they're with us in the program. And so there really are opening up other opportunities for them for the future.

So I know that's a lot of information for you all It is a very, it's exciting to see actually what is happening now with the girls and there's boys obviously in this crime as well. But here you have a video and this is of one of our girls sharing her story are you able to play that? And then if there's any Q&A I'm happy to take any questions. We won't play that today but I can send that to you so sorry we should have No worries, not at all. Not a problem.

That's one of our recent graduates who's she graduated recently and we've got another graduate who's just about to graduate who is working with Hayley down at Zaka Coffee part-time. She worked her way into working part time and she is very classic sex trafficked minor who was actually on what you call the blade up in San Francisco And so she has made incredible transformation progress and is really ready to embrace life, productivity and beauty. She actually wants to be in cosmetology. She's graduated high school just got her driving license today So thank you so much for listening I just want to share there is a lot of hope in this issue even though it's a difficult issue But if I can answer any questions, I'm happy to do that before I leave the floor

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:45:50

Well, I know you have an event coming up soon. Would you like to share with the rest of us

CommentSally CookProposedself-stated1:45:55

what that is? We do and we're excited to have you Mayor Brown. Our annual fundraiser's actually over here at Sunstone Winery. It's April 26th, it's at 1.30. We have some invites here that I can leave out in the lobby for people if they want We'd love to have you attend the event. And we'll have a survivor leader who's local, she's from Ventura and she's going to be sharing her story. She is now thriving individual sewing into the lives of young children now but she'll be sharing some of her stories so it will be very insightful to hear how this is happening.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:46:29

Thank you any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:46:32

I don't have any questions, I just want to say thank you so much because I actually had the opportunity to meet with Sally and Cynthia and Haley at a meeting last month. And then the opportunity to go actually tour the campus and it is amazing. I was just so grateful for that opportunity and I really appreciate you being here and informing us about what's going on and just so happy that you are doing all of this. So thank you so much. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:47:03

I have a quick question. First of all, thank you for being here and keeping us informed, educated and aware. And grateful for the work that you and the organization are doing. What are the typical outcomes and do you have, do you metric when the girls decide or when they're ready and do decide to leave? And their success rates.

CommentSally CookProposedself-stated1:47:28

Yes we do, actually the moment they arrive they go through a initial assessment that everything's planned from there so they all track at different rates some of therefore we just had someone who's graduated after 15 months but our average is about eight to 10 months and then we have an alumni program So you have those who are, they're all going to have the challenge when they leave of staying away from the life because it's something they're being lured into. But we just had a graduate who came back and shared with a group of donors and supporters after being away for two years she is now our teaching assistant down in San Diego and she was sharing what that journey was like So we have about 60% success rate right now through our program, which is incredible.

These are girls who don't stay anywhere very long. So they are thriving when they choose to stay for a month. The first month is the difficult month. That's the month that we're going to want to run. But because we're remote, they get the opportunity to decompress and they start bonding with adults and other children. And that's when they really embrace the program.

A lot, I mean 89% functional improvement throughout the program which is amazing.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:48:43

I applaud you for all you do and being a solution to this tragic problem that we have. Thank you so much. Okay, thank you for that presentation. We'll move on to number three public communications. Would you read that into the oh is this for the presentation? Excuse me, I'm out of order. We have a comment from Dr. Cynthia Matthews Regarding the Olive Crest presentation

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:49:15

mayor City Council Today I'm here not to bump heads on development or anything else. This is very important to my heart And I actually had the honor to meet Haley at her house and see this presentation, and it just warmed my heart. And it dawned on me that as we were doing the tour, I had actually worked for Olive Crest way back years and years ago, and as a fill-in for some friends of mine that actually were working for a group home at that time. And the work that they do is amazing. I'm here to call the action.

We live in a very affluent area, San Ynez Valley has a lot of money and there's a lot of people that have a lot of money. This requires millions of dollars to operate just to help these young ladies and so I would encourage anybody here and that's watching this To attend Hope Shines at Sunstone Winery, and as Sally had indicated it's Sunday April 26th at 1.30.

And if you're not able to make it or if this is something that's so heart-wrenching to you that you think that it's overwhelming because some people can't take this, it's too sensitive for them Their annual operating cost is over $5 million. Their capital improvement is 1.5 million and so this takes a lot, and they need the money in order to be able to survive and to keep this going and thriving. Yes there's donations, yes they get grant money but it also takes the village to help these people And so what I'm asking people to do, please seek this out.

Help them. They need the money. Please go and talk to them. Talk to Haley Firestone. You can go to Zacca Coffee and request to talk to her. She's on the board. She's there all the time. And she's very knowledgeable about this. And this is something very important for all of us because our daughters, our nieces, our nephews Our sons are actually targeted with this and as we know by the Epstein files that have been brought to light, this is something that's been very prevalent but it's been swept under the rug because of many powerful people involved with this.

And so I'm asking please that you write your checkbook get your checkbooks out go online look them up And please donate. And if you have any questions, as I said before, go online. There's a questionnaire you can ask. Take the tour and you can go to Zaka Coffee. And many of you have stopped me in the streets before, Dr. Cynthia Matthews stopped me and because this is very important I'd love to have coffee with you and explain more thank you very much.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:52:09

Thank you very much okay I'm sorry that was on one of the slips for a communication so I apologize I misstepped there and I might have taken your thunder away talking about the event so I apologize but now we're moving on to public communication item number three and if you would read that into the record please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:30

At this time you may address the council on items not on the agenda and on consent. Time limit is three minutes, and we will start with in-person public comments first.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:52:40

I don't have any speaker slips. Is there anybody here that didn't fill one out that wants to speak? Anybody online? Any hands up? Wow for this many people it's easy. Okay! We will close it then to public communications Moving on to city manager's report and advance calendar. Mr. City Manager, Mr. Murphy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:53:10

Yeah thank you Mr. Mayor and Council. A couple of short announcements tonight May 16th which is what five weeks from now on Saturday it will be the next community cleanup day over here in lot 5 and need to be a city resident and a customer of waste management in order to be able to drop things off there. The other thing I wanted to announce is there's a lot of interest in the community about the survey, the Friedenborg Canyon Survey that was just done, and I thought we were going to be able get it on the agenda in April but it looks like it will be on the May 10th Thank you.

Notice to Council and the community that we intend to apply for a loan through USDA at the next meeting. Solvang Landscape Lighting District annual assessment is working its way through the process and should be at the next meeting May 11th will be a proclamation in appreciation of National Public Works Week so it will be recognized our public works staff during that meeting And obviously, we're getting deep into the budget process. So several of the next meetings will have budget-related items on them and that's all I have for now.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:54:57

Thank you any questions of City Manager? Okay, I think you're gonna get off very easy too so

we'll move on to item 5 if you'd read that into the record please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:55:08

Government Code Section 532.32.3d aka AB 1234 and Government Code Section 84308 aka SB 1439 report out. Ex parte communications, council comments requests.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:55:26

Thank you any uh request we'll start with this end of the room

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:55:33

A couple of things. I went to the Chamber of Commerce meeting at Fitzpatrick's and the mayor was there as well. I went over the weekend to the San Ynez Valley Home & Build Showcase over at Vets Hall, which was a fascinating environment to get a chance to look at all those contractors that work with upgrading your house and doing things of that nature Interesting. Very, very well done session.

On an off note and a different note I guess I should say, I'm a member of the Library Advisory Committee for the county. And I think I reported before that there was going to be a reduction in the budget because of the county budget problems and they were gonna reduce it by 4%. And they wanted a letter signed by everybody on the Library Advisory Committee. And I signed for Solvang, being the Solvang representative to that committee. So that letter is now out.

I won't read it to you but... Excuse me. Basically saying that we understand there's going to be a 4% reduction and we can live with that. We want to help support the county And we will find other ways to increase our funding.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:57:14

hosting Piggakudit. Piggakudit is the Danish, the National Danish Girls Choir over 50 performers ages 16 through 22 came and we gave them a ride of Solvang. We can share with them the connection between Denmark and Solvang and Danish American history in the United States. And they did an impromptu performance right on Copenhagen and Second Street. They didn't have much time, but they stopped on their busy tour with the Danish Train Quartet And I would encourage staff to look at opportunities to collaborate with the Danish or Nordic groups that are often touring town.

There's other bands and other places that would love to visit Solvang, and they were delightful so I just want to share that with the council.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:58:19

Thanks for being our ambassador. Sounds like fun. Did they sing on the trolley?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:58:23

They sang on the trolley and they also sang on the street,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:58:32

I saw the video that was amazing of them singing like right on the street it was fantastic. I too attended the chamber mixer at Fitzpatrick so that's about it

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role1:58:42

okay

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role1:58:44

Thanks, I have a couple of things to report. I did attend a homeless update meeting with some members from the County of Santa Barbara who run the Homeless Outreach Programs and gave us and a couple members from the Buellton City and staff. Randy attended too. The updates on where we are The outreach programs and status of available housing and the uptake rates. So that was kind of an interesting update.

across the valley. And I also had a hosted walk of the Hans Christian Andersen Park just to get ready for what could be really done and match some visuals to the plan, and I had some long-time residents who used the park quite a bit for many, many years show me what they wanted me to see. I also wanted to disclose that I have accepted a board position for a new nonprofit organization called the Solvang Cinema Arts, which is intended to be a for-public benefit nonprofit entity to bring film and cinema and cinema education back We are going to hear from the city council.

In our next meeting, but should it is the same as say we had some council members serve on the theater fest board. But I wanted to disclose it for the public and for this Council that since it's a new nonprofit that I have this role if such time that we have an intersection in or we ask for grant funding or there are some decisions that are posed to the city or to the Council I would recuse And that's all I have

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:00:45

Thank you. I want to thank the Vikings for a They had a rodeo at the Alisal for special needs children out there, and it was very well attended and a great program. It's very similar to what they do in December for the Christmas program that they have but this was unique in the first time they'd done a animal therapy type of thing at the rodeo grounds, and it was hosted by the Vikings. Appreciate that.

I had the privilege of being a Boy Scout Merit Badge Counselor for a couple of kids that needed the merit badge for their Eagle Award. The merit badge was citizenship in the community, and it was an interview type of program, and highly recommend that if you have the opportunity to volunteer for that. Urban Growth Boundary Meeting Two weeks ago, I think it is thereabouts. You neglected to say that Mr. Fonte was there as well getting that going.

I had lunch with the manager and our district representative at Cal Cities League of California cities Dave Mullenix discussed our concerns and what we'd like to see for our city and how they can intervene And we also had a meeting with city planning and city management, and with Net City, an affordable housing program in Solvang. We were talking specifics on how to expand that opportunity for affordable housing on a couple of projects.

And then I was at the elected leaders homelessness forum on the 10th. That's countywide and led by Joan Hartman, our supervisor. And basically it was a statistics of different projects that had been either approved or in process. 6. Consent Items

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:03:41

Consent is for routine administrative city matters and is approved with one motion. These items are discussed only on request of council members. Members of the public were afforded an opportunity to speak during the public communications portion of this agenda.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:03:57

Thank you. Are there any concerns or modifications to the consent agenda? If not, I'd accept a motion to approve

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:11

I'll make a motion to approve consent agenda as presented.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:04:16

I'll second.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:04:18

It's been properly moved and seconded to approve item 6 of the consent agenda, items A through J. Roll call please.

Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 moved and seconded to approve item 6 of the consent agenda, items A through J. Roll call
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Council Member Infante? Yes. Council Member Claudia Rona? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Smith? Yes Council Member Elizabeth Abrona? Yes Mayor Brown? Yes
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:04:40

Thank you, motion passes 5-0

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:04:43

Okay We are

moving on to items 8 There are no public hearings tonight so we'll move straight to discussion items If you'd read number item 8A into our record please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:05:01

2025 annual housing report general plan report.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:05:05

Thank you. A staff report from our one and only Rafael.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:05:11

Appreciate it, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, mayor and council members. So we're gonna do a very brief presentation for you this evening to our annual general plan and general plan annual report as well as housing element report. So some major highlights from items that we covered last year in 2025 is we did have one general plan amendment For our fire severity and local hazard mitigation.

The other is we did adopt a new building code, which is the 2025 California Building Code. It's a requirement of all municipalities in the state of California to adopt. Currently, we are on track to, in our current RENA cycle, RENA stands for Regional Housing Needs Assessment. 6th cycle, we have 32 units that are currently been credited to it. More importantly to the ones that already been issued and under construction, we have what's called 106 units that are considered in the entitlement phase.

That number which was written in your report has now bumped up as of last week to about 194 units but again that is expected to decrease based on some other activities. The planning division of the Community Development Department received 67 entitlement applications, which is about a 25% increase from the previous year. And we actually stayed the same for building permits. 250 building permits were applied for and the same were issued.

As also part of the Community Development Department, we have the Building Division and Code Compliance. So we continue to reform our building department in terms of our customer service and reaching out So our review times continue to drop. One of the bigger ones was in June, you approved a contract for an additional building consultant and they've stingently met their review timeframes which is included in your staff report. So what we're looking at is for new construction, generally 20 business days.

Tenant improvements are 15 business days. ADUs are 15 business days and generally speaking our outside consultant has come under those so we've actually moved to them full time rather than splitting Residential and commercial, and they've been instrumental. They've also helped us implement a use of what's called preliminary comment reviews. So if applicant asks or if a project comes along that's been deemed pretty vital to the community whether it's for additional hotel tax or a new business is going in we'll ask for a preliminary review that gets done and they're provided comments out so that reduces the amount of plan checks that they end up doing. And that's a service that we do as a city And Forleaf, our consultant has been really good about essentially identifying issues very early on and helping our applicants get through that building code process as quickly as possible.

From the code compliance portion, we did have an increase in code cases in 2025. That's good or bad but at least the word is out that we are doing a code compliance and we are following up on cases and we continue to ask for voluntary compliance approach versus fines. And so we diligently work with our folks that are in the code compliance system and as noted in your staff report, majority of our open cases are related to building permit issues And a few of them are flipping into being removed from code compliance due to new state laws and other amnesty programs that were recently created.

So again, the report is split up in sort of two arenas. The first one is the general plan which contains goals and policies of growth and development for the city over the next 20 years. And it is a document that is policy document and then really what implements that is our zoning regulations, development agreements, capital improvement projects, public outreach initiatives etc.

And as you noted, seen earlier we do make adjustments from time to time as required usually by state law or if we see something in the general plan that doesn't necessarily jive with the way direction the city's going. We will amend our general plan from time to time. We will actually be getting some new general plan amendments in the horizon due to new state laws, particularly those regarding circulation of truck traffic as well as some new safety element requirements that are coming down the pipeline. And so again we're closely monitoring that from a community development standpoint working with our partners at Cal Cities to review legislation as it comes along and see how it affects us and how that affects our workflow for the future year.

So moving on to the housing discussion. So as I mentioned earlier, we are currently on the sixth cycle of RENA or Regional Housing Needs Assessment and so we are required to plan for approximately 191 units that's our target goal. So what that means when we say we're hitting our RENA numbers means that you as a city council has implemented an action plan which included adopting your housing element Adopting various programs to reduce barriers for housing development. So those were major reforms that were done under the zoning ordinance revisions done in 2024 and implemented last year, as well as rezones of specific sites. Those are Sites C, D and B. And so that 191 is that goal that we got to try to hit up until 2031.

And so as I mentioned early in the presentation, currently through 2025 we have permitted 32 units and so we are beginning to look a little bit more deep in how we were assigned these ADU units which was using the ABAG model or the Bay Area Association of Governments or Association of Bay Area Council of Governments. And so they distributed a percentage based on the size of the ADUs. So what we're doing now is taking those percentages and taking credit for very low and low moderate income housing units based on the sizes. So essentially, where you are now doing, we had two very low units and that's because there was a JADU based on size. And so we'll continue to use this ABAG method as they're refining that model this year. They're gonna release that to us and actually SP CAG in working with and their presentations really shed light onto this methodology.

So we're going to take the credit where we're doing stuff without really doing much, but again a lot of it this is generated from the private side and property owners making that initiative So as far as the housing pipeline and production, there is a major change from last year. And so the table at the top notes that major change, that 670 Alamo Pentado, that actually dropped off.

That was a project that actually began in 2020, was entitled in 2022. The applicant had a three-year time frame and applied for an extension and applied for some revisions But due to the economy, mainly materials and construction, the proposed project really didn't pencil out. And simply because that project really relied on parking underground which is a significant expense.

So as you can see that project disappeared which caused our pipeline to lower. The applicant will be returning sometime in the next couple years to re-entitle a new project reworking it as a townhouse project versus condos But we don't know that exact number yet. The Alamapintado Apartments or Wildwood, that's still in play at 100 units but again that's currently on pause the developers ask us to pause that for sequel review as they work through issues with the neighbors and potential settlement with them Frederick Square adaptive reuse, that's a new one that popped up at the end of December.

That's hopefully going to go to Planning Commission in June and there are six units there so 106 and the larger one which I'll discuss in a minute is back on our pipeline So as far as future projects, I did mention the Alamo-Pentado Apartments in Wildwood that is on hold. We are really awaiting that applicant to tell us to either go on the project that was submitted or potentially submit a new project. We don't know where they're at with that.

Al Solvang Settlers is currently working on a nightclub for conditional use permit. And we had an extremely productive meeting about six weeks ago, they had clear direction what needed to get done so we're hoping that they come back in the next couple of weeks and again also go to Planning Commission and start their renovations which are pretty minor there to green light a nightclub for live music. And then First Street has attended a parcel condo conversion that's currently being worked on The Al-Asal guest ranch event facility or what's known as the Al-Asal Event Barn, recently submitted last week. Again we're trying to knowing that this is a pretty critical project for the city in terms of and for the Al-Asal Ranch trying to fast track that as we can so trying to do a simultaneous environmental review while we're doing a review for completeness and it's a really great project and we're hoping to bring the design portion of it to the DRC in May Again, trying to give them a lot more answers up front and get that path of entitlement at a lot quicker pace.

Frederick Square Adaptive Reuse, we unfortunately had to deem that one incomplete today but working with utilities and the applicant to quickly get some answers that they're looking for and then get back on the docket. And then, Allisaw Glen Apartments, that's actually the larger one. That is the site D that was rezoned near Glenway and off of Allisaw Road. Approximately 88 units are being proposed there.

We do have a full-blown webpage that is now dedicated to that site We're running a very similar playbook to what we did with Wildwood. So, we have a sign-up sheet for residents to sign up to get information. We've posted every single plan that we've received from them at this point it's going under what's called an SB 330 preliminary review. SB 330 I know has mainly been mentioned in the context of a builder's remedy for Wildwood. In this instance they're asking for a preliminary review, lot different sort of to lock in their vesting and their fees And sort of the rules that they need to play by, which is our zoning ordinance actually.

But ultimately the end product from a city staff perspective is as a letter essentially detailing what needs to get done for a completed application. So it's a state law that was enacted in 2018 meant to increase efficiencies for projects to get through the entitlement phase a lot quicker. So working with Chelsea and working with Randy on how we're going to process this application in an expedient manner, but also take into account that we do have residents who are uneasy about new housing units and have a lot of questions. So we're gonna try to figure out how to create them a good forum for residents to voice their opinion and concerns while adhering to state law for this extremely large project that's going that may potentially go in on Hussall Road.

So I know that's a lot of information to digest, but with that I'll open up to questions from the council.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:16:45

Thank you. Any questions?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:16:48

I do, Rafael. I'm going to ask you to pull your slides up again if you don't mind. Could you go back to the spread of this, the numbers to get to 191? No, I don't remember which slide number it was

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:17:03

before that

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:17:04

Yes, this one start here. Some of this conversation came up when we were in the homeless discussion update meeting and it's really kind of what we came out of that discussion was the idea that we're not just talking about affordable housing, we're talking about accessible housing which means we're really providing housing for community members that can't afford it today It's more towards the middle to the right of this chart than all the way to the left. But here's my question, because it occurred to me in that discussion now the way you presented this...

Do we have to meet this percentage spread in order to satisfy the 191 for the first, for the sixth cycle?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:17:51

That's a great question. The reality is that this is our goal, our target goal. We will get units on the very low and low but those are really hard categories to hit those goals and targets without A partner in a non-profit or some other type of partnership that will deed restrict those units.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:18:16

Understood, but is that our obligation if we were to meet that at 100% median income at 191 of those units will we satisfy ARENA requirements for this cycle? If you could pull that, I'm sorry. I need the help of the slide to make sure I'm asking. So if we did 191 at the 80-120%, would we have satisfied the requirement? It's parceled out by each of those buckets so we can't do all 191 at above moderate. If we had zero in 30% median income But

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CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:18:57

spread

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:18:58

that differently, would we still meet the requirements?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:19:01

So the requirement is to try to get that number of units in each of those categories.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:19:06

Do we have the opportunity to obligate a developer to hit all five of those buckets in a project? I

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:19:18

mean Raphael can speak to this too but when a project comes forward We don't have an inclusionary housing program that mandates certain percentages of low-income, of any of these categories. So we're really relying on the project applicants to propose affordable units in any one of the categories and they're going to do that based on the economics of their projects.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:19:42

Okay so we're still going to be evaluated based on our level of effort and enablement is that fair statement?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:19:50

Yes, that is a fair statement and again one of our housing element goals was to explore potential inclusionary housing ordinance which various cities do. and then other, but there are other methodologies. As Mr. Brown said in his earlier communications we did meet with developers who potentially work through a different way of rehabilitation of units instead and if we can get those deed restricted those go towards the credit so there are various ways to do it that aren't necessarily just the inclusionary housing ordinance

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:20:25

So can you go to the next slide because you said something else that also made me ask this question. The ADU, the bottom where we're making progress on ADUs but you said we were Categorizing those in low or very low based on their size, not on their income. Correct. Did I hear you correctly?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:20:44

Yes. So the ADUs that were proposed in the housing element were based on a percentage so they use this ABAG methodology that said okay based on for infill communities we're going to assume that a certain amount of ADUs are going to go towards meeting these very low and moderate income thresholds based on size and we're going to assign those.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:21:09

But are they deed-restricted?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:21:10

They are not deed restricted.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:21:11

Okay, I'm asking the questions because I almost don't want to ask all the details but I realized when you presented them that we have been talking about this almost from a policy perspective theoretically but not We're getting close to seeing these units, you know come to market and come to development. And it occurred to me that well how do we really check these boxes?

There's still a handshake between the city and our policies and what the developers provide.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:21:46

When the developers bring a project forward and there's affordable units those do get deed restricted if it's for sale or we have other ways to make it a condition of approval. It's just that When we're, we don't have a code that says you have to propose X number of affordable units. Right? But once they're in part of the project, they get locked in once that project is approved and the conditions of approval. So there is enforcement at that point. Understood. Yeah. And then we have obviously all our housing element programs that we need to fulfill and promote that kind of help in a global sense to promote the house affordable housing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:22:25

Yeah, and that's the programs is a big one because again the state is not just looking at the raw numbers but they're also looking at did we do what we say as a part of the programming. So and again I'm going to hit this rehabilitation units because it again was a meeting last week discuss can the city help in rehabilitating units our goal is nine units in the housing element to rehabilitate nine units in the planning period If we rehabilitate six, we've done a fairly good job. We were able to report out six and the state also looks at what we've actually done and this council has made a significant leap forward with reducing barriers. Now we're just hoping that the market will actually respond but then again there's still things like the inclusionary housing ordinance that you could take up and see if you want to go there or as a part of any potential sphere of influence, or any other project that wants to expand.

Could you make it a policy that a certain number of housing units are dedicated as affordable housing units as a part of that project? So there are other ways to explore not just the inclusionary housing which is a big one but the debate is up there whether it works or not

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:23:51

Yeah, my understanding is part of the economic reward for the lower income is the density bonuses that they get. Those help offset and mandate the lower income.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:24:05

Right, and there are incentives that are out there I know if a set-aside was at 20% of one of our housing sites that have been rezoned If you do a 20% set aside for affordable housing deed restricted at 55 years You have a way quicker entitlement process. But again, that's a lot of percentages so developers don't necessarily want to choose that. There is the density bonus that's out there and certain developers would rather use the density bonus and then again we alleviate some of our zoning regs and in exchange we get those units that are deed restricted at 55 years.

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:24:44

I had a quick question on that $191,000. That $190,000 was the target

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:24:54

with the cushion correct? No there's an additional cushion that's built in.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:25:06

Thank you, I want to make sure.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:25:22

It's on the market and there has been actually interest from a couple of developers to pick that up and do a different housing product there. So whether it comes to fruition is a different story, but those are three rezone sites that we did and very controversially, but as you can see they've moved forward or they're moving forward in the process.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:25:42

Thank you. I'm going to now open it up to public comment if there's, I don't have any slips but is there anybody in the room or on Zoom that would like to speak to this subject? Got a hand up from who? John?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:25:59

Yes.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:26:00

Please go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:26:02

I just want to point out that on the slide that gives the spread for the 191 units That math does not add up. It adds up to 181 units, so I wonder where the other 10 units are?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:26:18

Thank you. Do you have that answer for him?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:26:24

I'll need to verify the math and one more time against our housing element because this is worth coming from. So

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:26:30

thank you John for bringing that to our attention well can we get back to you with that sure thank you sir Any other comments? All right. Then we'll close it for public comment. We'll get back to John and make a note of that mathematics, make sure that's correct. And then bring it back to council for any other discussion. There's no motion required here. It's file and receive or receiving file.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:27:04

Staff is looking for a motion to accept the report and to direct staff to file it with the appropriate state agencies.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:13

Okay, so that's not consistent. It's been

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:27:19

moved to accept

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:21

the report

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:27:22

and file

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:27:23

accordingly It's been properly moved and seconded to receive a file and the report. A roll call, please. Yes.

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Roll-call vote 2–0 moved and seconded to receive a file and the report. A roll call, · 2 under review
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Councilmember Claudia Rona? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Smith? Yes.

Introduce

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:15

for first reading ordinance number 260394 amending various sections of chapter 4 sidewalk vending of title four business regulations of the Solvang Municipal Code to update the city's sidewalk vendor enforcement program consistent with state law.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:28:33

Thank you. Staff report, please.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:28:35

Thank you Mayor, members of the Council. This ordinance is coming before you because there have been a few recent, relatively recent changes in state law, a few Senate bills and a new case that where we've decided it was enough to revisit our sidewalk vending ordinance and make a few tweaks Probably the most useful is to look at the red line version of the sidewalk bending ordinance. You can see that we're just making a few adjustments to make the ordinance consistent with the recent changes in state law and more recent case decision. I'm happy to answer any questions about those, but you know just for some highlights for example One of the acts made it so that we couldn't do background checks anymore and we have to, and it protects personally identifiable information from sidewalk vendors.

We made some tweaks to adjust to that and it also changed the requirement where some food vending doesn't require a health and safety code permit and so we just adjusted our language so that We're only requiring them to have a health and safety code permit if it's required under the Health and Safety Code, and not for every food vendor. Just the way it was written was a little inconsistent there.

We're also recommending because a recent case... A little bit of a mixed bag for the city of San Diego, but some of their sidewalk vending ordinance was struck down. But the court did uphold provision where sidewalk vendors had to provide identification to the city and their permit. And so we wanted to add that to our requirements as well. And then you know we've been continuing to monitor and try to See what enforcement tools we can use. I mean SB 946, which was enacted quite a few years ago now severely limited cities and localities tool enforcement tools available to address any sidewalk vendors. Basically we have administrative fines and we can't impose criminal violations for violating a sidewalk vending ordinance.

And we've just continued to evaluate that And we made some more adjustments to our ordinance in light of this recent case on the City of San Diego's sidewalk vending ordinance. But, you know, part of this is we're tracking what the county is doing. The county seems to be taking a little bit more of aggressive stance and still impounding sidewalk vendor carts based on this case coming out of the city of San Diego. We do not recommend And did not add anything to allow for impound move cards because from our assessment that's inconsistent with state law So those are kind of the big buckets of the updates, but happy to To answer any questions if you all have any

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:31:43

I'd like to make it real simple. I like simple What are we trying to solve? by this thing What what what are we trying to solve and maintain and and what is the solution that you're proposing

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:31:59

So currently we have a requirement that if you're going to sell wares as a sidewalk vendor, so I think somebody pushing a cart or even just setting up a cart on the sidewalk and selling fruit or even non-food items. They have to get a permit through the city to do that and we have certain criteria they have to follow. All of that is sort of dictated by state law which was SB 946.

These there's been two more recent laws that have modified the requirements related to that type of enterprise. And so we had to make adjustments to our code too, To be consistent with those changes in state law and then there's one court case that came out on this that gave us insight into how The court is interpreting that state law and we've adjust made some adjustments to our Code to be in line with that decision as well to be And how would this, how would this interact for

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UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:33:18

Video production or going up down the street with a video camera or something like that, that's on our sidewalks. And maybe that's a separate permit all in and of its own. But what about religious church groups who are on sidewalks with material and easels and things of that nature? And then what about musicians who open up their guitar case or violin case and play a tune on the corner of the street? How is that?

So

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:33:53

things that are you know going to be more free speech related like for example, your religious example. I think you know that's probably gonna be in its own category certainly you don't have to get a sidewalk vending permit to We're actually looking into how that overlaps with the current sidewalk vending ordinance so we try to decide if we need a separate provision for that or if we can wrap it up. What did you call it?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:34:27

Busking.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:34:28

That's when you play music and ask people to leave you tips. So we're looking into that actually, so I don't have an answer for you on how that overlaps right now. But because we could have that regulated separately or we could have them get a sidewalk vending permit.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:34:48

I do have a question Chelsea just a quick one or hopefully it's quick. So I understand that we're basically aligning our ordinance with current state changes But not yet changing our code to the county's new definitions and changings because that's in motion, is that correct?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:35:10

So the county is doing their own adjustments to their sidewalk vending ordinance. And we've been kind of monitoring that they do have a different set of authority in the sense that they are they implement the health and safety code permit part of This is a

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:35:53

Board of Trustees meeting

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:36:11

application to align with the county requirements for health and safety permits for food sales. Where I think we're going to differ is that the county as an enforcement tool still uses impoundment, but as a city I don't think we have the authority to do that under the

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:36:30

Okay, I understand. So thank you for clarifying that point. But if they... so then I have questions about the definition of what is truly a sidewalk vendor and just to be clear we would only be having this conversation if someone is transacting as opposed to let's say we've had this conversation let's say restaurant gets overloaded they get slammed they Comply with our sidewalk ordinance, but in order to keep their customers happy they start to hand out doughnuts or some Danish.

Can they do that?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:37:05

Yeah no charge yeah that's not

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:37:07

so it's only for truly transact

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:37:10

yeah and this was this is separate too from someone who has a Brick-and-mortar location and then they're selling their stuff on the sidewalk.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:37:20

Because they have a kitchen, we assume they have a kitchen

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:37:23

is that

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:37:23

correct?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:37:24

And this sidewalk vending is more than just food sales it could be you know somebody walking through selling keychains or something like that. It's somebody who's conducting commercial activity not associated with a brick and mortar business like not out in front of their business essentially and they're moving around or setting up a temporary sale location. But yeah, if somebody is just handing out flyers that's a different thing and that's kind of their free speech.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:37:57

So there is a kind of an exemption if you have someone who has an operation, a brick-and-mortar operation within 25 feet of their transaction?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:38:09

I just want to categorize what we're

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:38:10

talking about.

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CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:38:31

And soliciting like out your, right in front of your business. That's a separate category than these sidewalk vendors that are setting up a temporary location to sell or they're put like moving while they're selling and pushing a cart. It's not associate you know separate from a selling your brick-and-mortar stuff like selling for a brick and mortar outside in front of your your business.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:38:57

Okay. I have another question. So it's still according to state law, you cannot outlaw these kinds of vendors, correct? You can only regulate them. Yeah, it's very frustrating. I remember when this first came up when the legislature said these cards are culturally significant, you cannot just outlaw them and It just seems very frustrating that when we pass this, it seems like a way to encourage or make viable micro enterprise. But it seems to be always people from out of town that are bringing cards and he doesn't seem to be benefiting Solvang residents.

So I need being frustrating that it seems like Environmental health just doesn't have the resources to enforce compliance. All of these cards or temporary the city of Solvang.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:40:28

require a business certificate. So that's, that ties them to something at least we have evidence of transaction and obligation for tax and hopefully tied to a brick-and-mortar business.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:40:41

Yeah and we don't seem to have the same issues that other places have in Santa Barbara you see it a lot more if you only see a couple of them in Solvang but just curious has anybody applied for a permit? Nobody said...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:40:53

Not that I'm aware of at this point

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:40:55

Okay, yeah,

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:40:55

we just fight them for doing it without a permit. But again, we're limited to administrative fines and the heart I mean you're hitting the nail on the head The hard part is you have to get them to give you the information to give them a citation and they're often not Right from here and they're just gone. You know there so it is a very If you are not going to impound, You can cite them for not having a permit and you give them an administrative code violation citation.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:41:49

But they're still standing there selling?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:41:52

You can ask them to stop, but we can't take their cart or their materials.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:41:56

Okay now question We just put some more teeth on our code enforcement tools to, you know, make these a misdemeanor.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:42:10

Does that apply to here? We cannot cite them criminally. The state law is very clear on it. Thanks. If

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:42:17

they're interfering with pedestrian flow.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:42:21

So we can't cite them criminally for violating the sidewalk vending ordinance We, you know if they're committing some other crime we can cite them for that but again then we're getting into the issues with citing criminally more generally that we have here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:42:44

So this is another arrow in the quiver. Our Sheriff's Department will not enforce, or has not I guess in the past, enforced our sidewalk vending stuff because it's not consistent with state law and or county. It can't be more restrictive than whatever the state or county does but it can be less Fortunately, we don't have a huge problem with this in Solvang.

We do often on the busier times like around the 4th of July, we'll see the hot dog carts, we'll see the person pushing a little cart with the flags and pinwheels and that kind of stuff selling those. This is what this ordinance was intended... one of the things it was intended To discourage those people without having the proper license, the business certificate. And in the case of a necessary health code application we would have that as well And if they don't, if Jennifer's out there doing her walk around on the weekend and when she sees one of these folks and they don't produce the requisite business certificate we can get the sheriff to help us enforce that. Typically a lot of these folks are not going to want the attention of law enforcement and they will leave once we start that process.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:44:09

A follow-up question, how much does it cost for a license to get that and then how much is the fine?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:44:16

I believe our business certificate Cost is $135 for a year.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:44:22

I don't know the cost for the sidewalk vendor permit off top of my head, but the fines are set by state law and it's like $100 for the first violation ups for second and third. It's

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:44:34

cheaper to pay the

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:44:34

fine. It basically the same as like an infraction. Less than their cart. Yeah, it's not

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:44:41

expensive. But the problem is that we used to hear in SBCAG is Like you said, they don't have a good identification. So write them one and they just throw it in the trash because nobody can find them to pick up on that fine.

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CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:44:57

So in some ways we're relying on the fact that we're going to say hey you need a permit, you need a permit, you need to permit an event like hopefully they either get a permit or decide that's not worth their time and they want to sell here. So it's I mean we're the state law state has said that we have to allow for it and here's the rules for how you can regulate it. We've got an ordinance that is following that template and we monitor it and update it when like now when there are changes in state law and you know we're trying to Part of the reason why we're adding that indemnification provision is because that's more protective if we get somebody who does apply for the permit And then we're doing what we can to add those protections within the confines of state law But it is you know, our hands are kind of tied

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:45:49

so in essence This is probably as tight as we can get it pegged down with the changes that we're making Correct and it's better than what we have today.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:46:00

Correct

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:46:02

I'm going to now open it up to public comment if there are any. Anybody online or like to comment? Okay, I will then close it to public comment and back to the Council for finalization and action. Any other comments? You know, it's discouraging to know that it's cheaper to pay the fine than to get the license for it. That's unfortunate. It should be just the opposite of that for compliance but for lack of a better solution I'm going to make a motion to approve item 8B as presented.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:46:46

Introduction of the first ordinance. I will second that.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:46:50

It's been properly moved and seconded to approve item 8B, first reading. And I'll just read the rest of it but roll call please.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 moved and seconded to approve item 8B, first reading. And I'll just read the rest of it but roll call
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Council Member Infante? Yes. Council Member Claudia Rona? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Smith? Yes Council Member Elizabeth Rona? Yes Mayor Brown? Yes
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:47:10

Motion passes 5-0

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:47:12

Thank you Okay we're going to

move on to Item 8C Would you read that into the record, please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:47:22

Discussion and possible action to form an ad hoc committee for the SYVH Aquatic Center Joint Use Agreement and appoint two council members.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:47:31

Thank you. Staff report, please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:47:33

Yes, thank you. Good evening again Mr. Mayor and Council. We have before you tonight a request to appoint two members to a City Ad Hoc Committee. These two council members will help negotiate a joint youth agreement with the high school, the city of Buellton and the Santa Ynez Valley Aquatic Foundation Community Aquatic Foundation in an effort to come to a collaborative arrangement for the community use and joint use of the new pool complex that has been talked about now for a couple of years. The city donated $500,000, Solvang has, City of Buelton has done the same. We've gotten quite a bit of exposure and other donations from other communities and other organizations The last I heard, I believe the amount donated cumulatively is about five and a half million dollars.

So we're a third of the way there and we hope to get the rest of the way there soon but we're at a point in the process now where we need to have this joint use agreement hammered out. And so our hope is to get two members like I said from each of the partners in the effort to raise the funds to negotiate this joint use agreement So, looking for a motion to have two council members appointed and we can get started.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:49:06

Can I ask a question Randy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:49:08

Sorry?

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:49:08

Can I ask you a question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:49:09

Sure.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:49:10

Is the joint use agreement meant to apply now for the current state and also future state of the Aquatics Center? What is intended length of term?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:49:24

It's intended to identify, agree to the process. Who is going to use a pool and when? Who is responsible for the maintenance? What percentage does each of the agencies pick up? And again can it be used during school day or not? When is it available to the community versus solely for the use of the school are the two major issues that Lisa Palmer is here to talk about Maybe other ideas, but that's the basic.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:49:57

But it will span both footprints? Yes. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:50:04

And also it says here that we're creating this Solvang ad hoc committee and then appointing a couple council members

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:50:13

You want to address the legalities of that

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:50:15

Yeah, so you're going to create an ad hoc committee which is just of City Council members. To be an ad hoc committee by definition under the Brown Act it can only be comprised of city council members and so it's just to create the committee and then decide who's gonna serve on it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:50:31

And the committee is a two-person committee?

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:50:33

Right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:50:33

Oh, gotcha!

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction2:50:34

And then those two people will go and be basically the council's representation and discuss with the other partners to work on this Aquatic Center joint use agreement. And then the ultimate agreement would have to come back before the Council for actual approval. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:50:58

I think we need to take that action.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:51:04

We need public comment first, but we also yes we have skin in the game and we also You know you asked about it. You know where we have exposure Anybody at the polar plunge knows what exposure? We've taken But uh be that aside I'm gonna open it up to public comment first, and I have one person Lisa Palmer if you'd like to take the podium for three minutes Good

PresenterLisa PalmerCommunity Aquatics Foundation First I just wanted to thank you for your commitmeProposedself-stated2:51:35

evening Mayor Brown, members of the council. I'm Lisa Palmer with the Community Aquatics Foundation First I just wanted to thank you for your commitment and the skin in the game that you do have this is a next step As one of the strategic partners and helping us realize this long desired complex for the community So as Randy, your city manager said one of the reasons we're doing this now is to create certainty and visibility on how this complex will operate when it does open. That helps us with our fundraising right?

invest this kind of money to create a complex like this. We have a solid plan and a solid partnership in visibility and how we're going to operate and maintain it. So that is the that's this anyway that's why this step is important now we have that commitment from the district what they'll be identifying their ad hoc committee members at their April 21st meeting City of Builton already has two council members appointed and the foundation has two members appointed. So as soon as the district appoints theirs next week, then we'll be off and running with the goal of I'm hoping 60 to 90 days max to have this done and back so Thank you. I'm here to answer any questions you may have if you have

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:53:10

thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:53:11

Thanks Is there a dependency on having the joint use agreement in place?

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PresenterLisa PalmerCommunity Aquatics Foundation First I just wanted to thank you for your commitmeProposedself-stated2:53:32

I think it helps, right? So if we're looking at some potential state funding that we're looking to maximize for the district. That's probably within May to June and then a bond measure they haven't officially acted with the bond measure on the November ballot but they'll be doing that I believe next month. So certainly by, you know if we're trying to create tailwind and momentum to get those public funds approved by either the legislature or the local voters having this in place prior to that would be ideal.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:54:18

Is there any expertise that you would look for from this committee that you need?

PresenterLisa PalmerCommunity Aquatics Foundation First I just wanted to thank you for your commitmeProposedself-stated2:54:24

I would say any previous experience in negotiating an agreement between multiple jurisdictions, whether it's as a council member professionally otherwise would be helpful.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:54:40

Thank you. Lisa when do you expect the first meeting?

PresenterLisa PalmerCommunity Aquatics Foundation First I just wanted to thank you for your commitmeProposedself-stated2:54:44

Well, as soon as the district assuming they appoint their two people at their board meeting on the 21st next week I would expect that to get scheduled hopefully within 2 weeks. Most of the people I believe who will be participating we're not going to have to ramp. You know it's not like you're starting cold. I think everybody who is participating has some existing expertise or knowledge in the project and we've got a good basis on which to build so I'm optimistic that we can get there in fairly rapid order but we'll see.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:55:23

Thank you. Any other public comment? I did attend one of the initial meetings at the school.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:56:01

Showing out what the Aquatic Center was going to be, the architect for the plan, everything. So I have a little bit of knowledge of what the idea of it is and I will put myself up as a possible meeting representative.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:56:18

I'll do it. I have had probably similar

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:56:20

beginning,

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:56:26

well not in this format but I'd be happy to volunteer my time.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:56:35

Okay, we have two. I just want to make sure everybody has an opportunity. All right then I think we're prepared to make a motion if you are so inclined.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:56:52

Okay, so I'll move that we create the Solvang Ad Hoc Committee on the San Diego Valley High School Aquatic Center joint use appointing Ms. Elizabeth Arona and myself Mark Infante to the ad hoc committee.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role2:57:10

I'll second

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:57:11

It's been properly moved and seconded to adopt 8C with the members Mark Afonte and Elizabeth Arona as the two council members for the ad hoc committee. Roll call, please.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 moved and seconded to adopt 8C with the members Mark Afonte and Elizabeth Arona as the two council members for the ad hoc committee. Roll ca
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Council Member Afonte? Yes. Council Member Claudia Arona? Yes! Mayor Pro Tem Smith? Yes Council Member Elizabeth Arona? Yes Mayor Brown? Yes
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:34

Motion passes 5-0

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:57:37

Thank you Okay for next one. We're

moving on to item 8 D is in Delta and would you read that into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:48

Authorization to develop an implement a community swim program and approve lifeguard swim instructor job descriptions and salary ranges

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role2:57:57

Thank You staff report please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:58:00

Okay, good evening. Jenny McClurg here your Parks and Recreation Director here to talk to you about potential community swim program and lifeguard and swim instructor job descriptions salary ranges. So the cities of Solvang and Bealton have collaborated to support fundraising efforts over at the San Ynez Valley Community Aquatics Foundation as you just heard about with a shared goal of expanding access to aquatics programming for residents in the San Ynez Valley The cities currently operate under a MOU and that facilitates joint recreation programming and shared resources. And in talking to our community, the demand for public swim has remained consistent. That was also seen in all of our surveys for the Parks and Recreation Master Plan.

So public swim has not been available locally since the summer of 2019. And that was the last time that the high school pool operated in partnership with the YMCA and the San Jose Valley Youth Recreation. So in response to this ongoing need, recreation staff from both cities have met to explore the feasibility of reopening the high school pool for a summer swim program including recreational swim and swim lessons at this time.

This initiative will promote water safety among our youth provide a place for children and families to cool off and create a fun engaging environment for the entire community To successfully implement this program, staffing would be required and that includes the creation of one lifeguard swim instructor at range 119 in step 3 and up to six lifeguard and swim instructors at range 105 step 1.

The program is scheduled to run June 15th through July 31st, that's seven weeks. We'd offer recreational swim Monday through Friday or excuse me Monday through Saturday from one to three and then swim lessons Monday through Friday 3 to 5 And that's working around the high school schedule with their summer swim program and water polo practices, swim practices and that sorts. So as part of the collaborative effort it's proposed that the city of Solvang would employ and manage the lifeguard and swim instructor staff while the city of Bilton would oversee all of the swim lesson program registration and operations and then all other responsibilities would be shared.

There are some additional items that would require coordination and that includes finalizing program hours, updating our MOU that is come to expire June 30th of this year. And then you know just revising what liability waivers specific to the pool submitting a facility request for the high school and that type of thing So the recommendation would be to authorize staff to proceed with the development and implementation of a summer swim program, and then approve the job descriptions and salary ranges for the lead lifeguard and swim instructor and a lifeguard-swim instructor.

We also need to do this in order to start hiring for summer. We're on a tight timeline. So, alternatives for this would be not to authorize the development of a summer swim program. Next option we could do a reduced program scope and you know just not offer as many some lessons or reduce the amount of time and then option C would be to just delay implementation until additional information is available.

The fiscal impact, it's not fully determined at this time. However most costs would come out of the 26-27 fiscal budget. Anticipated costs right now for the, would be for the personnel. The facility use fees, insurance training fees and program supplies. Total costs would be partially offset by participant registration fees But we don't know at this time. Staff would work with the City of Bealton and the San Ynez Valley Union High School District to refine cost estimates and identify cost-sharing opportunities, and then staff does intend to apply for a grant through San Ynez Valley Youth Recreation.

However that funding is not guaranteed. While we can't guarantee the program will break even or generate a profit, it is important to offer it as a valuable community service and obviously the City of Bilton and Solvang would split revenue and expenses for the program. And then any additional budget appropriations if necessary can be brought back to the Council for consideration.

That concludes my report are there any questions?

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:02:51

Thank you. I have a question is the, what are your estimated costs? And I know most of it's going to be in personnel. Understand that does that include benefits and things of that nature? Are there benefits for part-time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:03:05

They'd be part time seasonal so no benefits.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:07

No benefits but overall cost would be split 50-50 between

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:03:12

between Solvang

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:13

and Bilton correct? And that cost, that total cost would be approximately

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:03:18

We're thinking maybe $60,000 but...

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:21

That's before other revenue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:03:25

Well right but you know if we don't have a ton of people coming to a rec swim we don't need that many lifeguards or you know if our swim lessons aren't full we don't need that many swim instructors so it really depends on who's coming. The man? Yeah.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:03:40

Okay thank you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:03:46

Where do you find swim instructors?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:03:50

Most people who are in the aquatics programs, water polo, swim team, they tend to lean. So it's the kids

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:04:00

from the school that are already swimmers in one sport or another that know how to swim and can be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:04:06

Yes, and we have the tools to teach them how to teach one to swim.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:04:13

What

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:04:13

tools? The training abilities!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:04:19

Thank you

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:04:21

Jenny what's the, I have some questions on the cost. So but before I ask that do we apparently ran these programs back in partnership with the Y? Why did we stop and...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:04:31

So so the cities of Solvang and Bealton have never ran this swim program. Before the YMCA and Youth Recreation did it it was actually the high school that ran it. And

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:04:46

do you know why they stopped? I don't. Do we know if they were cost positive or negative? I am

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:04:58

unaware.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:04:58

You said $60,000 so two questions. Exclude the grant, how much we would offset that? I think we can come in

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:05:13

at least 50%.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:05:15

Okay perfect. And then do we have this in the budget? Well after tonight once we know our answer we would add it if... Okay so it's not in the current strike of the budget but we need to include it for 26-27. Yeah you have

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:05:29

to realize too that it's only two weeks for this fiscal year so the bulk of it will be in the next fiscal year and we would make those adjustments

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:05:36

Okay and the, you said we could determine how many lifeguards we really need but we're really only hiring two right? So it's really either one or two. No

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:05:45

it would be up to six lifeguard swim instructors and then one lead so it'd be a total of up to seven.

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:05:52

But they're working do am I reading this right they're only working five hours a day?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:05:57

Right but depending on demand that would depend on how many lifeguards you need at one time. Gotcha

UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:06:03

okay At peak we are still only 60,000. Demand? How many

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:06:15

kids? Well, back in 2019 I mean you know sometimes they had 50 kids for a rec swim. Understand that a lot of the camps in town will bring their kids so we know we're probably going to have at least 30 kids each day with these camps that are around town that would pay normal pricing Okay,

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:06:45

I have a speaking request from Rob Dwyer.

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CommentRob DwyerProposedself-stated3:07:14

Thanks Mayor Brown, thank you Council. My name is Rob Dwyer and I'm father of a four-year-old boy and seven year old girl and I can attest to the fact that we are very excited for the possibility of having this swim program in the Valley. Being a father I also kind of run in the family circles and I can tell you that on short notice I brought this up to a lot of our friends and family And tried to rally the crew to come tonight, but the kids went back to school today and they're all getting ready for bed right about now or in bed. So they all said go get them Rob so here I am. I can tell you I'm speaking for an awful lot of folks in this community who see this need Really want something right now. The YMCA provides some swim lessons, the Dunn School runs a program for swim lessons in the summer and it still doesn't meet the requirements or the demand I should say that we see.

There's a lot of kids here who like to swim. Obviously the parents involved, you know they look at the scary facts. You know some of the stats where you see that kids under 5 and 15 to 24 have the highest drowning rates for every one who drowns there's four others who are hospitalized for near-drowning and this is an old stat but in 2014 drowning was the number one cause of death for children under 14 in California And nine other states, so that's an old stat but I wouldn't be surprised if that held true even today.

I work in aquatics and so it's a passion of mine. And I can tell you that I teach swim lessons and it's one thing to teach a kid four swim lessons over the course of two hours or whatever. But they don't retain that forever and ever if they don't get a chance to practice. So as important as the swim lessons are for everybody The chance to go and have unstructured playtime in the water that's supervised by professionals is equally important, and it's something that I really want to see for my kids. And I know that others do as well.

I also run the Sunday general water aerobics class at the Dunn School for folks who have arthritis and fibromyalgia so I get to see some of the senior community. I can tell you anecdotally that they're very excited to have more pool access. And our pool access in the Valley is really limited to the Dunn School in the summer, who opens up their pool in the evenings but you have to buy, you know, the summer pass which the cost is a barrier for an awful lot of folks and then the YMCA which is obviously a gym membership and again that kind of cost barrier so the idea of having somewhere where you can drop-in When it's convenient for you, pay the one-time fee. Swim, enjoy your time and then decide to come back again later as opposed to having to commit a large part.

So anyway I am happy to answer questions. I've got a lot of experience in aquatics but I know my time is up. Thank you.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:10:26

Thank you. Are there any other speakers? Hands up or in the room? Okay, we will close it to public comment and bring it back to our dais for further discussion and potentially a motion. Any questions or ideas?

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UnidentifiedCity ClerkProposed · by role3:10:53

Sorry, I may have missed it Jenny. We do have commitment from the high school we will get those hours and so we can count on being able to program for that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:11:03

So prior to this, we have been in conversations with the high school. They did let us know that their general programming for their high school team sports was 8-12 and so 1-5 is available for us but we need confirmation before we can move forward and get the facility use rental in place.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:11:28

Okay. I know that we're always, the Boy Scout Ranch is always looking for lifeguards too at weekends and things of that nature when they have events and whatnot but... And that's a nice pool. I don't know if anybody has ever known it. It's equivalent to like what Dunn School has but I think if you, you know We're kind of I don't know if we're getting the cart before the horse But I think this is some one of the steps that need to be taken care of To move forward for a program and get it out there, and I agree with Rob that there is a pent-up demand for this that but your surveys that you receive back what it was there anything specific about them or any trend of anything that you saw either age groups or

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:12:21

Not age group specific, but water play was a big part of the need in their needs assessment.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:29

Okay now can we charge more when the temperatures go above 95 or something like that? That'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:12:37

be nice.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:12:37

It's a demand problem yeah you had a comment Mr. Murphy

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:12:43

I was just going to point out that obviously this whole discussion we had a few minutes ago about the Aquatic Foundation and the new pool, this is just another way to help the community understand the importance of having a pool. When they go there and look at the high school pool it's in pretty sad shape overall. And getting them excited about the new complex, I think this is good advertising for additional fundraising.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:10

Thank you. Unless there's further discussion, let's take some action.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:13:17

I'll make a motion to approve the lifeguards and instructor job descriptions and salary ranges.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:13:25

I'll second.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:27

It's been properly moved and seconded.

CommentPlanning CommissionProposed · by introduction3:13:29

If I may ask for clarification? Yes. Is there also interest in authorizing staff to proceed with the development and implementation of a summer swim program?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:13:39

Yes

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:13:41

Yeah, I think it encompasses all of 8D. Would that be a fair statement? Yes. Okay. It's been properly moved and seconded to approve item 8d. Roll call please.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 moved and seconded to approve item 8d. Roll call
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Council Member Infante. Yes. Council Member Claudia Rona. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Smith. Yes. Council Member Elizabeth Rona yes. Mayor Brown. Yes
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:14:03

motion passes 5-0.

UnidentifiedCity ManagerProposed · by role3:14:05

Thank you appreciate your assistance with that We are at the end of our agenda and does any of our colleagues have any closing comments? None. Okay, well if there are no more comments we will be adjourned at 839. Thank you.