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Good evening, welcome to Solvang City Council closed session. We're starting at 530 this evening on September 14th 2026. And before we get started, I'm going to wish our council member a very happy birthday today. Congratulations. I think that's very cool. Just happened to fall on today so we'll make sure that she gets special treatment today. Roll call please.
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Thank you.
Okay, a couple of housekeeping items. Please silence your phones if you have them handy and or turn them off. And we have multiple speakers so to get the most out of this please withhold applause or comments outside of the speaker itself. I have seven slips to speak are there others that haven't filled out a slip that would like to speak also? This determines, we have a maximum of 30 minutes so I'm going to say that it'll be, we'll give everybody the full three minutes. Otherwise we would divide it by the number of other people who want to speak. Also if you agree with the person in front of you or if you add something new public communications for a closed
Public communications on closed session items only. This section is intended to provide members of the public with the opportunity to comment on closed session items. This section is limited to 30 minutes, each speaker will be afforded three minutes and may speak only once.
Thank you. First up we have Candice Libera followed by Jennifer Cabello
Good evening mayor, council members, staff and audience. My name is Candace LaBera and I am your marketing events coordinator. I'm asking you tonight to give serious consideration of the contract that you will be reviewing in closed session. What has transpired is unfortunate and I recognize that it's a difficult situation for everyone involved. I also want to be clear that employees deserve fair compensation.
We all work hard for this city and for this community, and everyone deserves to be recognized for the work they do. But what the situation has created is something that goes beyond what numbers on a spreadsheet can show. It has created a morale issue among the employees who are boots on the ground, the people who show up every day who do the work, serve the residents and keep this city moving. When unrepresented employees receive increases and then represented employees are faced with a different level of increase by a considerate amount, the message being felt by many employees is that their work somehow matters less, that we matter less.
We deserve to feel valued, respected and appreciated. We are asking you to consider not only the terms of this agreement but the people behind the work, the employees who serve this community every day whose dedication experience many years of experience for some and commitment make the city stronger now more than ever we need to restore the morale trust and respect that are essential in moving the city forward We all share the same goal, a stronger more successful city. A community we can all be proud of. We should be working together toward that goal and not against each other.
When the city and its workforce stand together communicate openly and recognize each other's value everyone benefits including the residents that we serve We ask you to keep that shared responsibility in mind as you work and review this contract. Investing in the people who do the work, it is an investment in the future of this city. Thank you.
Thank you. Jennifer Cabrillo? And on deck is Christian Wright?
That was close. Calvio. Hello. I'm Jennifer Calvio. I am the Code Enforcement Officer in Solvang. I want to speak honestly about how this recent round of raises has made many of us Lions staff feel. It's difficult to understand how management could receive such significant raises while the people doing the day-to-day work in our community seemingly didn't receive the same consideration.
Whether we are out there on the streets serving the public or behind the desks keeping things organized and moving, we are at the foundation of this organization Without the line staff doing that work every day, the structure would simply not run smoothly. Leadership should not be standing at the top while everyone underneath carries the weight. I believe the structure should actually be an upside down triangle with the leadership at the bottom supporting and strengthening the staff who are doing the work at the top.
We don't want to feel expendable. We want to feel valued, respected, and appreciated for the work we do. Because when your employees feel appreciated, they give more. And when they feel overlooked it becomes very difficult not to wonder whether the work they do is truly valued. Thank you.
Thank you. Christian Wright is next and Jonathan Flynn is after her.
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Hi, my name is Christian Wright and I've worked for the city in public works for about a year and a half now. I was born and raised here and have been part of a large family in this community my whole life. The entire community rallied around my family when I was 15 and had a brain aneurysm that almost took my life. My dad worked in the valley for the past 30 plus years. My mom at one point was the youngest escrow officer in the state located here in Solvang about a block away.
My sister was a Danish maid and I've worked with Danish Days my entire life, and now I'm Danish Day's board for multiple years now. My family and I are this community like so many co-workers here today. Staying here has always been a top priority for myself and my wife who also grew up here her entire life. It has become very difficult to do that recently with how the world has been changing in the cost of living skyrocketing.
When I left when I left my previous job it was a huge step for me to leave actual family to work somewhere new When I started, I felt like I had found more family and working hard every day being rewarded for my hard work. Like I was at my previous job. It felt like everyone here recognized the hard work and dedication we were all working towards the same goal with how these past few months have gone it feels like that has gone away and we are looked at as valuable Jonathan Flynn followed by Cole Phillips.
Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. My name is Jonathan Flynn. I'm the Public Works Supervisor for the City of Solvang. My grandparents were Anne and Jerry Flynn. In 1976 they made the front page of the San Ynez Valley News for adopting three kids here in Solvang. My grandpa sold duct tape door-to-door stomping the ground every day to keep the family fed. My dad owns a local HVAC company he built from the ground up.
My mom raised us three kids during the day and worked nights as a waitress at the hitching post for 16 years. I share these things with you I share these things with you to say that I come from a long line of men and women who have never been afraid of hard work. People who have invested in Solvang as Solvang has invested in them. Last fiscal year, senior management staff of the city received increases at an average of 34%. Union workers have been offered 4%.
My staff of six maintains every toilet, every floor, every brick and light on city property. When a storm takes down a tree in Solvang my team puts their boots on in the middle of the night to cut it into pieces and clear the roads for first responders and for residents I could go on about what we do and how proud I am to do it, but I'll end with this. I'm not here to ask for a handout. It's not what my family does.
I mean, I asked you to vote yes on a fair and living on a fair and living wage for all city employees, not just the few. Thank you for your time.
Thank you Jonathan Philip Cole Phillips followed by Jeff Lee
Greetings, Mayor and members of the City Council. My name is Cole Phillips and I serve as the Engineering Technician for the City of Solvang. For those who might not know me let me provide a brief background. I started in 2021 as an intern and in 2023 I stepped into a full-time position that I still hold today. My responsibilities range widely from technical plan reviews and on-site inspections to fleet record maintenance and state compliance tracking like CARB, BAR, and DOORS. I also manage critical state requirements such as SB 1383 and SP 54 just to name a few.
This work requires constant coordination across departments agencies including the Public Works Director, Maintenance, Parks & Recreation, Water, Wastewater While my job operates quietly behind the scenes, I work hand in hand with my peers and department heads every single day to ensure that our projects move forward smoothly and efficiently. I can state with absolute confidence that every single one of my coworkers and peers help maintain the functionality that makes Solvang such a special place to live in and visit from afar. With that said, Mayor, I urge you to vote yes on this contract proposal so we can keep this machine running right. Thank you.
Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. My name is Jeff Lee and I'm the Business Representative for Teamsters Local 986. Tonight you've heard from your city staff members. There's nothing that I can say that they're not telling you right now. You have a fair contract in front of you and you have one job. Accept it. They don't want to go on strike. We don't want to go on strike. The ball is in your court.
Accept the contract.
Thank you. Cliff Reynolds?
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Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of City Council. Pleasure to be here this evening. My name is Cliff Reynolds and I am a representative of Teamsters Local 986. I started bargaining with the city back in 2002. At the time there was a gentleman named Leo Mathiasen. I don't know if folks remember him but he was, I guess, the first city manager and he was the mayor. And I found a quote where he said that He considered himself a stubborn, tightwad Dane.
And that's relevant because from the time that I came to work here with City of Solvang in contract negotiations we have always had a good relationship with this city and we have always reached an agreement, a fair and reasonable agreement I've come to appreciate that relationship and the way we have been able to work through our differences and reach reasonable agreements.
Recent wage increases that have gone out to senior leadership, I don't want to get into that. I think it's been spoken enough about but I can tell you that the workers that come to work every day and help this city operate are not interested in, I won't say they're not interested in but they're not seeking a 40% wage increase or 25% or 10%. We currently have an offer that we believe we have provided to the city that is very fair and very reasonable.
I would say that if that offer was rejected for some reason, that it's a fairly reckless maneuver, I believe. Reckless for our city workers, reckless for members Members of City Council, for our senior staff members, for members of the general public and certainly for the business community. We're not here to hold anybody up or create any significant issues for the city. It's not something that we're interested in. We have a long track record with the city of demonstrating that I think. What we would ask is that the City Council would seriously consider Thank you very much everyone for your professionalism and decorum here today. If you will read into the record, we are going to go to closed session
Recess to closed session. Item 2A, Conference with Labor Negotiators pursuant to Government Code Section 54957.6, Agency Designated Representative Dave Fleischman, Assistant City Attorney, Employee Organization Teamsters Union Local 986. Item 2B, Conference with Legal Counsel Existing Litigation Pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.8D1 Name of Case Edward St. George v. City of Solvang et al., Case No. 25CB07234
Thank you. We are in reswiss at 545.
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All right.
We are back in session at 6.32. Mr. Attorney, any reportable action?
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. City Council met in closed session on two items. Conference of Labor Negotiators agency representative being me and employee organization Teamsters Local 986 there was no reportable action on that item the other item was conference with legal counsel existing litigation in Edward St. George versus city of Solvang there was no reportable action on that item
Thank you. We are finished with closed session, and I would like to start our main meeting in about four minutes. So at 637, can we be back and get started then for a little health break for my team? And we'll be going at that point. We'll start our regularly scheduled meeting. Good evening and welcome to the Solvang City Council open session and meeting for September 14th, 2026. We're beginning at 636 and roll call please.
Thank you. We have with us today our distinguished Lieutenant Travis Henderson, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance please?
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Thank you, Lieutenant. We have no proclamations today. Oh let me digress just a minute. A little bit of housekeeping and decorum if you'd please silence your phones or turn them off that would be awesome and then also If you have anything you want to say and fill out a little slip in advance, that would be huge. Okay we have no proclamations today. We do have a presentation however for our sales and use tax reporting presentation. Staff would you please introduce that?
Or did I just do that? Please let me see. Let me get this right. The presenter, usually I have staff do this. Wendy is not in the room. But this is Bradley Burns local sale, is that correct? The company and you are Mary de la Rosa. Please enlighten us.
Waiting for Randy because I think he's going to work the PowerPoint there Thank you for this opportunity to present to you today Mayor Brown, City Council members. We are going to be talking about sales and use tax today and so we'll go ahead and get started then So my name is Mary De La Rosa. I've been with the company for over 30 years. Muni Services was founded in 1978 by two partners, one of which worked for a city and was wanting to make sure that that city was getting all the sales tax that they should be getting from the sales in their city.
And so they kind of went from there. Currently, for sales and use tax we work with over 100 California jurisdictions. We also do other work, utility tax, business license, TOT and other general fund revenues. Last year we had a merger and we rebranded our corporate name to Numo. So you'll see Numo on here. You'll also see Muni Services According to the California Department of Tax and Fee Administration, the CDTFA, we are still many services.
So we have worked with the city of Solvang for quite some time providing sales and news tax audit and reporting services. Our auditing, we do that on a quarterly basis when we get the data from the state. Our auditors are looking at that for anomalies. We're looking for new enclosed businesses looking for businesses that may have stopped reporting or sometimes getting money in error, but we want to make sure we're on top of that before it becomes too much of an issue.
And then our reporting services we provide quarterly to the city so I do meet with City Manager and Finance Administrative Services. The reports include your top 100 businesses, different trends We have a budget update, a legislative update and then we also have a total separate package just for measure U. Since we've been working for the city of Solvang, we have generated over $1 million in new and ongoing revenue for the city and the district.
And the district is measure U in case I talk about different things here. The first chart we're looking at is annualized percent change in sales tax receipts. The blue line is the City of Solvang, and then you have the County of Santa Barbara as well as the state. And on this report—and this is looking through first quarter 2026 data. That sounds dated but at the time I prepared this that was the most current we have. We just got second quarter.
And so we'll be getting new reports out soon on that. So on this you can see that the city, everything was positive. The city was up .6, the county 1.9 and the state 2.7. And typically and you can see, you know, the blue line you're up and down quite a bit in cities or other local jurisdictions are going to have a little more volatility than the entire county or the entire state.
The pie chart is looking at your business segments so you can kind of see the makeup of where your sales tax is coming from. I'm sure there's not a lot of surprises here. Your restaurants are your largest, followed by miscellaneous retail which would include gift shops, jewelry stores, bookstores and things like that. So it's kind of miscellaneous there. With the restaurants and the food markets, and then what we call food processing. And the food processing for your city is mainly tasting rooms. They fall under that. So just those three all in the food products are over 50% of your sales tax.
This chart's looking at the five major categories So you can see on here we have that your restaurants, your food products are your number one. As I said general retail construction business to business and transportation this particular quarter we did see declines in all of these quarter over quarter and that's comparing first quarter of 26 to 2025 And then just looking at your top segments and just going to give you a little deeper picture into how they've been performing. And of course, this goes back to 2019. So obviously the big dip was during the pandemic when probably most of your restaurants were closed as well as a lot of the shops and then came out of that strong as most cities did. And restaurants have been fairly stable since that time.
Then we had the miscellaneous retail kind of a similar pattern You know that what we've been seeing here, you know when you have tourism coming back people are traveling. People are driving especially after the pandemic when everyone wanted to get out so we've seen some good numbers there as well. And then the building material retail is your third largest.
And on this one, you didn't really we saw a little bit of a dip 2020 but then everyone was going to the hardware stores and the lumber stores and doing remodels and construction. And so we saw a big uptick during that time. We have seen it been going down and this is the same for pretty much every jurisdiction we work with but still higher than pre pandemic Okay, and then we have your top 25 sales tax generators. I have on the left are Bradley Burns that we refer to as kind of the normal sales tax out of the 7.25%.
And these are in alphabetical order so don't wanna deal with any confidentiality issues. So you can see you've got a lot of the restaurants on there, you've got your CVS, you've got Buell Flat Rock and other construction companies And on the right is the district tax, the Measure U. This will look quite different because it will include a lot of online sales. You can see Amazon, there are two permits that report as well as car dealerships. I think there's only one listed on here but if we go further into the reports you'd see many so for on the Measure U it is a destination-based tax and so anyone that shops online business or Residents that has any that delivered in the city you're gonna pay that extra one cent and that comes back to you So Amazon tick-tock eBay, whatever it may be and the same thing for cars wherever you go in the state of California They will be charging you the rate of where you register your vehicle.
And so you can't really escape it Even if you go to a city with a lower tax rate they are going to be charging that and you do receive that back So that's a real plus For that and then just wanting to say too on the On the Bradley Burn side, it's the top 25 or 60% of your sales tax. And on the Bradley Burn, I meant to measure you is only 45%, because there's many more permits again because of all the online sales and car dealerships.
And then this is just a breakdown of the five categories for the measure U. So it says local control, essential 1%. Also did see a decline quarter over quarter but a little different picture in that transportation you see that big bump that happened I think in 2023, that was some money that was received in error by the city. And so we worked with the city to get that mitigated and get that paid back because any time you get money, you want to try to get it out of your coffers as soon as possible too so they don't have any issues going forward on that.
On sales tax future looking at our forecast now The first forecast, this chart is showing the quarterly amounts going back to 2018. So again you can see the dip during the pandemic and then it goes through the current quarter of the first quarter those are the gold on the left and then on the right the gray is what we are projecting for the next quarters and next years And this just breaks it down on the different amounts you're receiving for 25-26. We did see in just a bit of a gain, 26-27 anticipate a 1% over the prior fiscal year and then some conservative growth going forward. And this is what we are projecting for most cities unless we know of major things that are happening in your local economy that would change that.
And then the same thing, this is for Measure U. We don't have as much history. This starts in 2023 and then goes forward from there. And then on this one you'll see a little bit more growth and usually on the district tech side we do see that because the online sales even though tourism may go down for looking at your local businesses, the online sales don't seem to be going down.
And people are still purchasing vehicles and so we do see some good numbers coming from outside. And just what goes into our assumptions a lot of different things you know we work with UCLA Anderson forecast we partner with them Their economists are great. We do some quarterly webinars with them, but they're looking at that macro view of the economy. They're looking at the nation and the state as a whole typically and lot of good information, but when we were doing your forecast for the city, we're looking at that micro view. We're looking at your cities and how there are your businesses and how they're performing talking with city staff to know if there's you know comings and goings and so forth, but also you know where we take into account All the different things that are going on in our economy.
Tariffs really hasn't moved the needle at all, you know the rebates or the refunds that came out were for the businesses not for the consumers. AI, I know that's a big issue and it's used in so many different ways. Some of them are very helpful but of course it's been politicized for cities which I don't think a data center would be here in Solvang but those cities are concerned about the energy and the water use and job impacts as well.
I only put UUT streaming on here for just informational. I know you don't have a utility user tax, but cities that do are now moving forward with taxing streaming services. City of Santa Barbara, your neighbor was the first one to do that going for Disney Plus and charging them utility user tax. Disney of course took that to court and they have lost twice. And so other cities are going to be jumping on that as well, and getting some tax from that because for cities that have a utility user tax, they lose on the cable side because a lot of people don't have normal, you know just regular cable TV anymore in there. A lot of the streaming services. So it's just an interesting side note there.
And then just also talking about gray-shaped or K-shaped economy. The gray shaped is really looking at A shift where, you know, the aging population and the baby boomers which I'm part of dominate consumer spending. But a lot of that spending is not taxable. We're talking about healthcare, social assistance, nursing and that's also where a lot of the new jobs in California are coming.
And then the K-shaped economy is really looking at, you know, the top portion of the K is high income earners, asset owners I'm going to talk a little bit about some of the things that we've seen in California. We know that gas is at its highest it's I would like These are just some of the things that we're looking at. Our analysts that prepares a forecast can go into a lot of detail, and we can certainly get you more of that if need be, but those are kind of just some of the basic ones that we're talking about today.
So any questions?
Thank
you. I had a lot of questions about the forecasting, but this last slide that you left us off with the tariffs and the K-shaped economy in the oil prices and gas prices, are you saying those were factored into the models that gave us all the projections through 2033 and beyond? Were there...
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We're certainly taking those into account and talking with our partners That's not going to impact every city the same way. A city like Solvang that is heavily reliant on tourism, your restaurants, your hotels may not be as impacted by some of those things but it definitely could be because some people are not able to afford to travel right now. They can't afford gas and they're not going to restaurants. They're pulling back in other areas and so that could definitely impact your economy. But I know from getting here yesterday and walking the streets it was pretty busy, so...
And I was just curious if they were things that you, that were already in the model or if there are things to think about because I was curious how in the forecasting we have, you know, we're hovering in 2%, 2% plus for the next few years but that growth shrinks starting in 2028 through 2033. So I'm just curious what variables kicked in at that point or what insights we should take from that?
I mean, you only have the one service station so I really can't talk too much about that. But as more and more electric vehicles are on the road we do anticipate less gas usage. There's over 24% of new cars sold in California right now, electric or hybrid vehicles. So that's just one little portion of what's happening in your sales tax but our analysts go through all of these different factors when they're doing the forecast, when we talk each quarter beginning of each quarter looking at the data and just some of the things that are impacting our forecast, not just for the city.
It's useful data. We might want that as a follow-up or a double click to understand that model because the more refined we can be projecting Tourism, spend patterns and behaviors, traveling and tourism patterns. The better we can really budget and manage effectively because we are so dependent where we're non-diverse in our economic baseline. Be good to know that.
Yeah, we can definitely get more detail. We can do some other comparisons that I will forward on to Randy and then he can share those.
Could you elaborate on the $1.09 million in surplus that you received or that we got by your services? Where were those gaps, what plugs were we filling?
Well, you know as we look at any city and especially initially when we get a city for a client there's usually more to find than as you go maintenance through the years. So it can be a business that maybe has two locations maybe one in Buellton and one here Maybe they were reporting everything to Buellton, so we're going to find that kind of issue. We're going to see if a restaurant stops reporting or their numbers go way down. Are they still open? Our auditors will make some phone calls very professionally to the business, talk about the business activity and often these businesses will share their tax returns with us We'll help them to make sure that they are correctly filling in things over time. And so with that 1.9, it's looking at not only new what we found but we take into account, we kind of take it forward with, we found these businesses, we no longer charge a fee on them because we have a fee once we find something, we're compensated for so many quarters But they keep track of it even after that.
So, that's why the number is rather large and we can certainly go back and look at what some of those audit findings were. And then when a new district comes on board kind of the same thing that first we're going to look to see make sure that everyone that's paying on the Bradley Burnside is paying on the Measure U side. And then there's a lot of different things that come into account with that as well particularly on the online sales are a little harder to know exactly who should be reporting. But we know who the basic players are, and we're going to make sure that they're reporting to every district that each city or many cities have one or more districts.
I was going to add, I meant to be here when she first stepped up to the microphone so I apologize. I was dealing with trying to get one of our public hearing participants online. We work with Mary on a quarterly basis we have a Zoom call with her she goes over a lot of this information and helps keep us on track regarding potential sales tax issues like she said she found a number of errors in underreporting and those kinds of things. So she does a really good job, I've been quite frankly, I'm kind of a nerd so I'm fascinated by some of the stuff she does it's more art than science in a lot of ways and Councilmember Elizabeth Arono was asking some questions here recently And I thought it would be a good opportunity for her to come in and speak to you all, help you understand what she does and how we come up with some of the numbers we do for budget.
And probably invite her back in the future but at least get the introduction going. So thank you Mary.
Thank you so much. No other questions? Thank you.
Okay
we're gonna move on to item 3 public comment Public communications,
non-agenda and consent items. At this time you may address the council on items not on the agenda and on consent. Time limit is three minutes and we will start with in person public comments first.
Thank you I have a request well like she said it's limited to three minutes and we're gonna cap it at 30 minutes total if it goes that way So be efficient with your comments, please. First is Steven Gerard. You're at the podium and on deck is Denise El-Amin Thank you.
Good evening beloved Mayor, City Council and Solvang citizens I am Stephen Gerard Sadlowski a third-order Franciscan and I'd like to just express the joy of the Spirit of God as love for his creation. I'd like to also open with Holy Scripture Proverbs 12, 20 says that counselors of peace have joy. I am a pro-life speaker and just remember you can't have peace in the world unless it also includes peace in the mother's womb.
Some wonderful pro-life history that you may or may not already know. Ronald Reagan, former governor of California and U.S. President wrote the first letter of support to the Washington D.C. March for Life to Nellie Gray, the founder. I was able to meet Nellie Gray in Washington D. C., and learn the legal importance of pre-born personhood. You'll be delighted to also know that early this year, 4,000 citizens attended the California March for Life at the State Capitol in Sacramento including myself.
What I'm now providing you are four contents some of you may have already reviewed it. The first content is the precious feet pin which is provided by the Heritage House in Snowflake, Arizona. Miss Imada's there. You will see the size of your own feet when you were in your mother's womb at 10 weeks. The second content I am providing is a cover letter talking about the new pro-life direction of USA preborn personhood cities.
This is something that we can now do because of the US Supreme Court Dobbs decision and your city has a charter, that's why I'm really excited to be here in your beautiful city of Solvang. Content number three is the actual resolution in support of a Solvang, California declaration of a friendly and safe pre-born personhood city. It includes over 10 whereas statements and it includes about four be it further resolve statements. I hope you will put it on your agenda soon and possibly pass it by Christmas this year or Mother's Day or Father's Day next year And then finally, I am providing you my Bible bookmark. You'll be able to go ahead and contact me and ask your own questions. So I'd like to close with the song Let the Beating Hearts.
God bless you all. Thank you very much for permitting me to speak. Thank you. Next is Denise Elamine.
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And after that is Sue Tarner. Thank you. Sue Tarner Craig, you're on that. You're after Ms. El-Amin.
Hi, my name is Denise Ellamine. I am a resident of Solvang, a taxpayer, a parent and a grandmother in this valley. I am standing here tonight to tell you plainly that we are voting no on Measure D. We all want safe quality school for our kids but asking this community to hand The Santa Ynez Valley High School $80 million requires a level of irrefutable trust and their school board simply has not earned it.
The Santa Ynez School Board sent out these expensive glossy Color ads trying to sell us on strict oversight. But let's look at their track record and 2016 we trusted them with Measure K. The law explicitly requires at least seven independent members on the Oversight Committee to watch our money. They failed to follow those basic guidelines they led just for community friend of the board to watch over millions of public dollars. So let's be real, if we couldn't trust the Santa Ynez School Board to properly oversee a $14 million bond, we would be fools to trust the board with 80 million.
The Santa Ynez Valley Board claims this money is for true emergencies like leaky roofs and broken plumbing But their own August 18 meeting exposed their real priorities. They are pushing a massive, expensive, competitive community swimming pool. We as taxpayers in Solvang we have already committed to $500,000 plus I have to pay what's on my tax bill This is what a tax bill looks like.
I already have three bonds on my tax bill for 25 and 26 that I've already paid. Solvang, Measure J, Santa Ynez Valley has one 2016. Measure K and Allan Hancock has a bond 2006 Measure I. This November the 3rd Solvang High School has put an 80 million bond D on the ballot, and Hancock has 240 million dollar bond on the ballot. So just know why it's expensive to live in this valley because we raise taxes, we raise bonds, and we do not care about the people who live here Thank you very much.
Next is Sue Turner Cray, thank you.
Hi good evening members of the community and the board my name is Sue Turner Cray I'm a local resident taxpayer and someone who cares deeply about our schools I am here to shed light on the left out facts regarding the Santa Ynez Valley High School $80 million bond. In 2016, we trusted the district. We voted for the 15 million bonds because we were promised it would fix our school but if you talk to our teachers they will tell you the real broken story mismanaged priorities and a total lack of oversight Now, Superintendent Dr. Sheehan right now is on a non-stop PR campaign to sell this massive $80 million bond which is over five times the amount of the last one but make no mistake this debt will be on our property bills for the next 35 years And district leaders are hiding behind generic ballot headings that give them a loophole to do whatever they want with our money.
Just yesterday, we heard the superintendent on the radio and we know behind closed doors she's rubbing elbows and meeting with the wealthiest stakeholders and power players in the valley to push this through. But let's look who is actually holding the reins. Superintendent Sheehan is an employee of Board President Chris Johnson. She answers directly to him, she's paid by him and she has to do exactly what he says.
And Chris Johnson is the man overseeing the $80 million. Now the very first thing Chris Johnson did after being sworn in to the high school board was to demote Jose Juan Ibarra, who was a sitting board president and the only Latino ever to sit on the high school board in its 135 year history. And then once he cleared him out the way, he brought fair framework into our high school. That framework gave teachers the opportunity to out vulnerable LGBTQ plus students traumatizing our students and sparked massive protests on campus. And now President Johnson wants 80 million of our tax dollars for the next three and a half decades. And the oversight committee will be hand selected by him and his common sense cronies.
They are trying to slip this bond past us right now because they know community-minded voters will be out in force this November. They are trying to exploit our love for our public schools. Our students do deserve safe facilities, but taxpayers deserve true integrity and true accountability. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And I'm sorry I've mispronounced your name more than once. Okay, is there anyone on Zoom that wishes to make public comment? I don't see any hands up. Is there anybody else sitting here today that would like to say something on public comment? Yes sir please. It's a non-agenda item.
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That's very specific for Item 7a though. We will now close it to public
I've been up to my eyeball dealing with labor issues the last few weeks, and so I haven't really had a chance to compile any comments about my usual report. We did have a very successful community cleanup on August 15th. And collected just over four tons of trash, so it's not a record. But again we're getting a lot of the community stuff picked up. The next one will be mid-November and when we will be located at HCA Park kind of over the area behind where the tennis courts are and I'll probably have an opportunity to set a new record then and that's all I have for now.
Thank you any questions or City Manager? Okay,
we will move on to item 5. Would you read that into the record please?
Government Code section 53232.3d aka AB 1234 and government code section 84308 aka SB 1439 report out. Ex parte communications council comments requests
Thank you. Anybody want to start off?
Sure. Mr. Gelfante. It's been a while since our last meeting, so I've been through a few of these things. Recently went to the Rotary meeting about Proposition H for the Allan Hancock College and talked to them and listened to what they had to say about Proposition I have been to the aquatics meeting with regard to the swimming pools for the Valley High School or some alternative. There's a lot of information on that going around.
I was with everybody else here at the State of the City, of course. Met with the Friends of the Library. They're going to be running a book sale here and been talking to the city manager about storage of books for the library. I met with some of the SBCAG, one of the SBCAG reps with regard to the Santa Anaz River Trail project. This is the one that started in Buellton and it's coming this way that ultimately they want as a walking and bicycle trail that will eventually go all the way to 154 but it has a problem of getting through Solvang.
So we'll see about that one. And then I was at the Parks and Rec meeting where we had all kinds of discussions about what they had in mind. That's my list.
Do you have anything?
Yes, I was also at the Parks and Rec master plan for recreation meeting. Lots of challenges, lots of exciting proposals and we'll see what we can do about it. And yeah, I'll be reporting next time on the annual meeting for 3CE. Thank you.
I joined my peers on a couple of those meetings, the State of the City obviously. I also attended a Rotary meeting and listened to Alan Hancock walk through their bond proposal to try to understand that more intimately and support education in general. joint use agreement meeting for the Aquatics Foundation in effort to try to put a framework of community use for that particular project. And then finally, I'm surprised it's been so long that I was at the public hearing for the Parks and Rec plan but also attended two DRC meetings and the Joint Planning Commission and DRC meeting Which makes me kind of want to appeal to staff and to you folks that one thing I keep observing when I listen in on the DRC meetings is That we need to give them that design guide tool To help prevent exposing them from opinions, but giving them a framework from which to make decisions not just the DRC It looks like we are going to see it in October based on the flash of the next schedule.
I just hope that when we see the next city goals, that we actually see a draft or something they can use. That is my appeal and request. The second thing is another request mainly to my peers. The last formal meeting that we had, we passed an extension to an existing scope of work to implement the Verkata cameras. And I would like to bring not that particular decision, I'd like to bring the policy around the use of those cameras back for a more thorough review to strengthen that policy now that we're introducing more AI tools I would like to bring Review of how strong that policy is.
Can you get some agreement on that? We should give the staff some direction.
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You know I'd be inclined to listen to a report as to what, you know remind us what that policy is and if it needs any updating we can approach it from that perspective in a review. And then let's make an ask again if we think there's a review required.
We can't do that report tonight because that wouldn't be on the agenda. But you're proposing at a future tentative just bring the policy back for the council to review and have a
report on? Yeah, I'm saying give us that policy again in advance and then we can then see if we want to put it on the agenda after that That's all I'm asking staff to do.
Oh, just send it to the council?
Just a staff, yeah. Remind us what that policy is by memo or email and then we can take it from there individually and then we can bring it back to the dais if there's action to be taken. We can ask for it put on the agenda at that time because I don't disagree with what you're saying but I don' have any facts so I'd like to get facts before I... by reviewing the policy we already have
We added functionality and we didn't really look again at the policy.
Do we have a consensus on bringing something back at another later meeting with that policy? Right
now I think he's just asking that we all get a copy of it so we can take a look at it to see if we want to bring it back.
We can do that, but I think also Council Member Arona asked.
I can be more specific on what I think is missing. There's this particular... So we said yes to implement installation organization XIT or XTI whatever they were called. What we didn't do was investigate what the camera technology really does and where the data gets stored and who has access to it and who's governing that access to it. That camera company has been hacked and their super admin credentials have been compromised
All you're asking at this point is to have an agenda item about the policy and the capabilities of the camera system that's been installed.
Our policy around
those capabilities. And what we can do tonight is just, if a majority of you agree with bringing something back at a future agenda to talk about that, we can direct staff to do that tonight. That's all we can do. Got a majority? Yes. Thank you.
I know it has been a long time since we've all been here. I attended the Senior Center celebration over at Denny's Furniture just to celebrate what's going on for them, also came to one of the DRC meetings and attended the State of the City. And on a very fun note, I attended the PAWS fundraiser for the Santa Ynez Humane Society They had a live auction and I donated a 10 inch cheesecake and it raised $2,000 for the humane system. Very proud of that.
That's going to cost me $2,000. Go to the Y after all this. Go to the gym. All right. If I may, I'm gonna report out a few things. Number one, I wish to acknowledge and wish my colleague Claudia a very happy birthday. Today is her birthday and we I hope you get cake. And I know a good place for ice cream, okay? Trolley ice cream, very good stuff. I want to congratulate and thank Olivia for all the prep work she did for the state of the city and pulling that off as well as our Brian Foster with the Chamber of Commerce And then I also want to thank Steve Martin for his feedback and being tenacious about how we got everybody in the room, whether they had lunch or otherwise.
So thank you for that. I want to thank Jonathan and his team for the repair and replacement of the Visitor Center. What a nice job they did on that, if you've gone back into the visitor center, did a great job. Thank you very much. And I want to apologize to some of our businesses. There was a Labor Day event that our staff and there's a mix up on the planning and the dates with regards to Labor Day, and we'll learn from this mistake and try not to do that again.
I also want to apologize. I don't think that our communications have been quite as prepared as they should have been or could be, as it relates to the backflow devices. I'm getting a lot of blowback from the backflow communications that have gone out and not many people understand What's required of them, keep in mind this is a state law that we're trying to enforce and we have a five year term in which to bring it into compliance. So even though it says respond within 30 days, we hope you can do that but if you have questions when you do please feel free to call our department and get the information you need.
With regards to, I had to go back because it's been so long. I had to go to my calendar to find out where all have I been in the last month in preparation? So we again was at the Parks and Recreation Long-Term Plan meeting. Was that SB SCAG meeting on the 20th. I was at the State of the City event on the 27th Also on the 27th, I was at the Neil Taylor Nature Center.
Great facility it's a great asset here to our community highly recommend it. I was at the CRCC which is a Central Railroad Coastal Committee and we talked about the LA Olympics and the non-single vehicle, they want mass transit in the Los Angeles area. And we're going to be part of that with new train routes basically from San Luis Obispo to Los Angeles and beyond.
Then I want to thank the Santa Ynez Valley Association of Realtors had a successful shred day on the 11th and ability to get rid of a lot of sensitive material. Kind of felt like major everyone then yeah this weekend there was an Elber Hoy event at the They debuted the Danish Delights Cookbook. It's a local cookbook. Wendy was there serving, thank you Wendy, but the Danish Sisterhood put that together and it's a wonderful cookbook with a lot of great stories and history behind some of these dishes that they put in. I don't even think there was some cheesecake in there that would help you guys.
Then finally we're going to be at a Cal League of Cities conference from the 24th to the 26th, 23rd, 24th, 25th this month. So that's coming on and we're ready for Danish days so giddy up! Thank you very much. We're going to
move on to item six would you read that in the record please?
Consent is for routine administrative city matters and is approved with one motion. Members of the public were afforded an opportunity to speak during the public communications portion of this agenda.
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Thank you, any concerns about item 6? If none I'll move to approve items 6A through I I'll second. As presented, then moved and seconded. Roll call please.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 moved and seconded. Roll call
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Motion passes 5-0
Thank you okay item 7a would you read that in the record please
Public hearing to consider adoption of Resolution 26-1334, imposing the city's last best final offer LBFO effective September 21, 2026. Thank
you very much. Staff report please
Thank you Mr. Mayor, good evening Council. Before you this evening is a consideration of Resolution 26-1334 imposing the City's last best and final offer effective September 21st 2026. Let me just back up a little bit as the council is aware over the past several months the city has been engaged in labor negotiations with Teamsters Local 986 Thank you very much.
We did make multiple proposals on both sides and back in the end of June, the city issued its last best final offer to the union. The union rejected that but the LBFO consisted of a three-year agreement with cost of living increases of 4% each of the three years. And some equity adjustments that were recommended as part of a compensation and classification study by an independent consultant who may be speaking a little bit tonight on that. The study analyzed some compensation in some comparator cities, 11 different other public agencies including some locals like Yelton, Lompoc, Santa Maria, and the County of Santa Barbara. The study found that with the exception of a few positions all the other positions were within market or competitive with the market So the three positions that proposed equity adjustments that the City had made were for the Assistant Planner, the Development Building Technician and Code Enforcement Officer with increases of 7.5%, 5% and 12.5% respectively.
The City's LBFO also included a few other items one of which is to include some holiday days between Christmas and New Year's Day to allow City Hall to close completely during that period of time On June 25th, the union sent a notice of impasse to the city and they rejected the city's last best and final offer because the city has impasse resolution procedures. We went through those. We did not participate in mediation or fact-finding as part of those. But we are at the junction now where the City Council has to consider whether or not to impose the city's last, best and final offer.
So that is the decision before you tonight. We've exhausted the impasse procedures and we do have to conduct a public hearing so your options are either to impose the last, best final offer for a period of essentially a year it allows the union to come back as early as tomorrow and start negotiating for a subsequent MOU. But essentially, you would be imposing the 4% that was part of the last best and final offer as well as some tentative agreements that were reached with the union.
City obviously remains committed to meeting and conferring in good faith with the union but the implementation of this last best and final offer does not prevent the union from coming back and negotiating again. I'll be happy to answer any questions, but the recommended motion is to move to adopt Resolution 26-1334. And I think Randy's got some additional information.
I've invited Karen Blakely from RGS who is a group, the consultant that did this study. And I'd like her to provide some information for the council and anybody you know that might be interested in the process and what was done and why. And then I have some comments I'd like to make after that. So Karen take it away
Good evening. I'm glad to be here. I'll give you basically an overview of how we conduct compensation studies. First, I'd like to say that RGS is a California joint powers authority. We were established 25 years ago to provide services to public agencies using recognized best practices and we did apply our standard practices to the Solvang Compensation Study.
First we looked at comparable agencies. We did analyze 26 potential agencies and then recommended 11 that were the most similar to Solvang based on those established factors, and those are the ones that we used as comparator agencies. We then went out to each of those comparator agencies and got salary and benefit data to attach to each one of the classes that we were looking for in the study.
And then, we looked at the median rate for all those different classifications. We looked at all the different agencies, looked at their classifications, came up with a median salary and a median salary and benefits rate. We use the median, I'd like to say because it is the exact midpoint with 50% above and 50% below. And it does not allow for distortion with an agency that is very much different than your own. We then looked at those we got, we looked at 26 of your classifications and then nine of them we did not find sufficient data for those we look at internal alignments that best keep the alignments are best done to keep existing differentials between salaries and to make sure that nobody is impacted or come as a compacted salary range.
When we look at the match classes We look at a variety of information to make sure that we are really looking at the correct one, we don't just look at titles. And that is basically how we do a compensation study. If you'd like me to expand on any of that please let me know I would be happy to do so.
Mr. Murphy did you want to respond or did you want question and answer first?
I think if council has any questions at this point I can ask her and then as I said I have some comments I want to make as well.
I had a question with regards to the comp studies. Do you include the benefit package on that as well? Like insurance, housing allowances, things like that. How is that incorporated please?
We don't necessarily look at, when we look at the comparable agencies, we look at cost of living which includes housing. When we look at the benefits that are paid to by each of the comparable agencies as well as what you pay it is your out-of-pocket expenses so it's insurance, you know that includes dental and vision, it looks at retirement It looks at deferred compensation, any other specialty pays that are provided by your agency for specific classifications. All of those are taken into account when we come up with the total compensation median rate for each of the agencies.
Thank you. You're
welcome.
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Mr. Murphy?
Okay thank you Karen. I have some comments that I'd like to make First of all I want to reiterate my appreciation as well as the entire city staff, management staff for the represented workers. It is truly unfortunate we are here asking council to impose a 4% increase for the remainder of the current fiscal year and this in no way diminishes importance of each of those individual staff members.
Please bear with me while I recount what brings us to this point. Dave did a little bit of that and I've got some more information. for those in the audience that may not be aware of, as Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story. I was hired in April 2023 and almost immediately had our utility director resign for another opportunity. We first inquired of two internal staff who declined to accept a promotion in part because they earned more with overtime pay than they would have as a salaried manager.
What the salary was at the time. The position remained vacant for about 18 months, in spite of increasing the salary about 15%. We ran into similar recruitment issues when the Public Works Director left in late 2024. These issues were significant factors that prompted the decision to do a compa-class study. We had also committed to the teamsters that we would do one before the expiration of the MOU that was negotiated in June 2023 and then just expired this June.
We solicited an RFP and awarded it to RGS, as Karen pointed out a very well-known and respected public agency. As she pointed out there were 26 cities originally considered city staff did not have input into what those cities should be other than to include some local jurisdictions in which we would be competing for labor. The 11 that were selected are the cities of Avalon, Buellton, Carmel, Lompoc Morro Bay, Ojai, Pismo Beach, San Juan Caps Toronto, Santa Barbara City and County, and Santa Maria.
It's important to remember that this was a compensation study not just a salary survey. The study in if you've looked at it called out and said RGS there's a quote RGS found that the city's benefit package makes up more a more significant percentage of their total compensation than that of comparable agencies And I have some information here about that specifically.
I did an analysis going back 10 years, assuming a dollar in 2015 and increasing by CPI each year until this year That $1, and this would be equivalent of a dollar for each dollar earned per hour is now as of 2026 $1.40 so it's gone up about 40% in that period of time compared to the COLAs that have been given. That $1 in 2015 is now $1 34 so it got off about 34%. There's a 6% differential between what COLA and CPI was However in that same period, and that includes two years where no COLA was given at all by Council to staff back in 18 or 19.
But in that same period of time the cafeteria match given by the city has gone from 60% of their premium to 75% of the premium. And to put that in perspective, and that's for all staff not just the representative staff The cafeteria, like I said put in perspective the cafeteria expense just in 2022-23 so just a few years ago for the city was $519,000 that was a cost to the city combined for the premiums and this year it's just over 718,000. So just in four fiscal years It's gone up $200,000 or about 38.5%.
I've also gone and increased the holidays, 11 holidays and one floating holiday to 12 holidays and two floating. And based on this last best final that's been proposed we're going to 16 holidays and no floating holidays. The housing allowance has gone from $250 per month or if you do the math a dollar 44 an hour In 2015 to this most recent year, $750 a month or $4.33 an hour. The safety allowance which is given to the field staff has gone from an annual amount of $130 or 6 cents an hour to a combined $400 a year, sorry.
Or when you do the math about 19 cents an hour. Uniform allowance also only given to field staff in 2015-16 was $400 a year or 19 cents an hour To current year for non-supervisory staff, $685 a year, 33 cents an hour. For the supervisory staff, $735 a year or 35 cents an hour. And longevity pay has gone from 2015 of nothing to most recently, and I don't have the year's gap but for a shorter term 5-10 years $75 a month or 43 cents an hour up to people that have been here more than 20 years $225 a month or $1.30 a month and those numbers were not even included in the salary survey so just pointing out Although the wage, the COLAs may not have kept up with inflation. The other items that are other compensation certainly have made up for that.
It is significant to note that the RGS study showed that utility and public works positions were under compensated to the median of the 11 jurisdictions by almost 16 percent even after Council had approved about a 15 percent increase in order to improve our recruitment response Most of the other salaried and unrepresented management staff was anywhere from 18 to 28% undercompensated, nowhere close to the 34% average that was quoted by one of those speakers earlier.
Whereas much of the hourly represented were in a sweet spot of plus or minus 5% of the median when included in 4% increase that they received in July of 2025. This disparity created compaction with management positions, a fact that was validated by the staff who do not wish to step up into a management role when offered the chance. It is important to note that we have had zero turnover in the management ranks since these adjustments took place. It's also important to note that the representative staff turnover has been minimal and most of what little turnover has occurred has been involuntary.
Just put some additional stuff into perspective. There are approximately, well there are 30 represented staff with an average tenure of five years with the city and their salary range between them is from $50,000 a year to $115,000 not including the benefits that I just talked about The average annual salary is $75,000. Again not including the benefits including overtime, housing, bilingual pay, medical benefits, standby pay, PTO, holidays etc., and that amount if you average it out is about $38,000 per employee per year. Very generous overtime policy individuals earning anywhere from almost $18,000 a year in overtime. It's on the high side with the number of them more than five thousand dollars a year and I'm not saying they don't earn it or that it's not earned in that respect but just pointing out that they're not poorly paid Bottom line, the city has offered a generous COLA greater than CPI and more than the majority of the other jurisdictions in our area.
Offering anything close to what they have until very recently demanded is not fiscally sound and unsustainable in the long term. I urge the council to impose the 4% and then we can invite them back to the bargaining table as soon as tomorrow to try and find an acceptable solution.
Thank you. Any questions? Okay, I will then open it to public hearing, open public hearing and offer speaking opportunities for public and I have two slips here in front of me. Mary Ann Bates and then Jeff Lee. Is Mary Ann Bates here? Is she online? Okay. And Mr. Lee?
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Three minutes, correct? Yes sir. So I've got three minutes. I'll try and kind of get through all this. You know first of all as it relates to the salary with overtime for the utilities position that was briefed That's because the supervisory positions that are currently represented by staff that weren't interested in taking that position, those certifications far outweigh the requirements of the Utilities Director which explains why their compensation is above that of the Utilities Director with the overtime that they've worked.
Also, that Utilities Director came back prior to any of these substantial raises actually being put out so it's not like it was set out to entice him back. As it relates to this offer One thing that Council, you may not be aware of is that every economic proposal came from the city staff. There was no economic proposals made by the bargaining unit members that were accepted in the tentative agreement.
The extra weeks, I'm sorry, the extra time off, that was not our idea. That was staff's idea to propose that to us and so when we look at the totality of this offer There was nothing economically based that came from your city staff, not the represented city staff anyways. As far as all those numbers with the housing allowance and the longevity and all of that stuff those are no doubt those are great benefits but those benefits are enjoyed by the non represented staff as well. So when we're talking about the compensation package and we're talking about what was received.
That information or I'm sorry that those economic benefits are received by the non bargaining unit members that just receive those substantial raises as well, it's not something exclusive to the bargaining unit so those housing allowances and longevity. The last one and you know, you can take this for what it's worth but listening to the RGS study and the details of that study.
That was bargained by the bargaining unit to attempt to address disparity that we've been conveying for years. I would say that we find it in rather bad taste that the city manager's name appeared on a City of Los Angeles agenda, providing feedback for that RGS study that was performed. You know after the fact I mean to listen to RGS and then see his name pop up.
That's not really good taste as someone that benefited greatly from that study. Last thing. The council talked about staff and Danish days and all of that. In case it hasn't been made clear, and I know it has when you guys went into close to make this decision, if this is imposed the bargaining unit of 30 people will be on strike effective tomorrow morning at 9 a.m.
Thank you.
Thank you. Next is Candace Libera Before you begin, did Melanie Bates come back? Is she anywhere to be seen? Okay. Thank you.
I didn't prepare anything for this moment, but I felt strongly that I needed to speak. In my presentation and when I spoke earlier, I spoke a lot about giving seriousness to the consideration, how the unrepresented staff feel especially with the very fair contract offer that was presented to you all and what transpired really made that worse A lot worse. And that's unfortunate, very unfortunate.
I'm sorry that we're in this position. I don't think any of us really wanted to go to strike but we feel very strongly about our rights, about being valued and being listened to. Thank you.
Do we have anyone in Zoom that has any comments or raised hands? Seeing none, is there anyone else present? Okay. I am then going to close public hearing and bring it back to the dais for questions or action. Mr. Affanti you Have something that's on your mind.
Everything is on my mind, I mean this is in Candace's comments were particularly touching. No, I have nothing else.
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All right, y'all. I'll move that we adopt resolution 261334 per staff recommendation. Is there a second?
I'll second it.
It's been moved and seconded properly for approval of resolution number 26134. Roll call please.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–0 moved and seconded properly for approval of resolution number 26134. Roll call
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I just want to make a comment. I'm disappointed we're here My yes here is to get us back to the bargaining table
Mayor Brown?
Yes
Motion passes 5-0
Thank you We're going to
move on to item 8A.
Item 8A, approve agreement with Harrison Associates Inc for a development impact fee nexus study and fee update. Authorize the mayor to execute such agreement and approve the corresponding budget adjustment.
Good
evening Mr. Mayor, members of the council, members of public. Tonight we ask you for your recommendation to approve the agreement with Harrison's Associates for a development impact nexus fee study Back in January, February we did RFP to include this nexus study and a capital improvement program. Unfortunately we only received three RFP proposals and they were weak at best so we Didn't accept any and we went back with an RFP for just the nexus study and took out the capital improvement plan part of it because that's more extensive, and it requires a higher level of research and evaluation.
So with that, we reissued just the Nexus Development Impact Fee Study And we received two proposals, and we had three staff members evaluate those proposals. It was unanimous that staff recommended that Harrison Associates be awarded the contract due to their not-to-exceed amount And one of the issues is our forefathers, they didn't prepare well enough for the city to collect multiple impact fees like park and rec fees, street fees just to name a few.
So we have a very extensive list that they will look at evaluating which is why the not-to-exceed amount in best interest for the city, because if we determine that we will never be able to get revenue for those fees then we don't have to pay for them to evaluate those fees. So um... We have about I think 20 or 30 impact fees that we're going- we have prepared to look at so we can get an inclusive amount. So moving forward in five years Thank you. Any questions?
I had a quick question. Did you change the scope of work? Yes. And did it go back to everybody with that new scope?
Yes, we sent it out to everybody and then we reissued it on Planet Bids and the website. And we received one RFP from the prior, the prior RFP proposal and a current one.
Okay nobody that... when's the last time we've done this or have we done
this? I think it was 2000... Yeah, close to
20
years ago.
And we have very few impact fees.
I
understand that,
but I just want to make sure that... Yeah. I got to have... I like information. Yes. Thank you.
That's good. Questions are good.
Anyone else?
So Wendy on that point, I have a lot of questions on scope. Is there anybody from Harris here? No. Okay we're assuming we're going to expand our impact fees is that because review of a very small list of impact fees probably doesn't match almost six months scope of effort
Right. We're going to we're going to evaluate like I think 20 to 30 fees
good and Did you they were they cited a few other cities like they have a very long list? I mean their credentials look pretty solid But I didn't see really any other cities that they worked with that are similar in our size Maybe Santee was one but how closely did you look at the scope of works for the other four or five cities that they cited in their response
We looked at a couple of the cities and then we contacted our fee study consultant and asked them as well.
What kind of feedback did you get?
They were a great company to work with.
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Did we negotiate at all or did we accept their capped?
We accepted their cap because it's a not to exceed. And with the scope of fees, one of the first RFPs came back at $9400 per additional fee so they would look at our three or four that we have and then they would charge us $9400 per additional fee that they researched and developed That's why we, that's one of the reasons why we rejected that one because it would have cost.
An astronomical amount.
So in theory, we should recapture this spend over time. It's I reacted to the number which is why I went and looked at some of the other scopes of work that they did for some of these other cities. I thought it was expensive and it was five months worth of work six months almost maybe five and a half? A lot yes so I'm really curious to see How did we define the scope or are they really telling us what where we have gaps?
No, we defined the scope and then staff put together a long huge list of where we could potentially get money from the developers.
Putting it frankly okay thank you
Mr Murphy
I want to point out a couple of things. Mitigation fees for new development can only collect the monies that that new development puts in place or creates demand on the system, it does not do for the already overburdened system. It's only for the new stuff so that's one thing to keep in mind and why this is so important because that's what the law says about mitigation fees.
We also are looking at the parking in Luffy, and as we all know based on some recent closed session discussions about cost of acquiring additional area for parking. We're way underfunded for parking and loo fees. So, as we explore expanding our sphere of influence and potentially expanding our urban growth boundary it's become even more important in light of the recent almost completed recreation master plan a recreation fee makes a certain amount of sense so I mean there's a lot This is not a for
You having a comment?
Just to add, part of the reason why you do a study is because there are certain requirements in the Mitigation Fee Act for a substantive analysis of the fees to ensure that they are set at a rate that will meet the substantive requirements for that fee. Like we can't just charge an arbitrary amount and so a study like we can't charge any development impact fee unless we've studied it ahead of time. So this
verifies we comply with things like Prop 218 and stuff like that? Okay. It's an
important
exercise that's required mm-hmm
and this was done in 20 years ago you said understood and then I see where some municipalities will slash development fees for preferred developments of sort that's is that something that's done I've seen it done I think so
Talking about development agreements, negotiating those?
Negotiating down impact fees or other fees associated with the development. I don't
know what
the definition of those but...
We don't have a history of doing development agreements here, just I think because of our size really. But yes cities can do often utilize that as a tool and that is a legislative action that kind of opens up a lot of negotiation for a lot of different aspects of a project including substantive planning you know standards and things like that but
Prior councils have also waived a lot of the parking in lieu fees, which is why we don't have very much money in that account.
Thank you. Any other questions? Okay I'm going to open it up to public comment if there's anyone here that wishes to...I have no slips so either raise your hand if you're on Zoom or come to the podium We do need a budget adjustment as well.
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With that motion. Yeah, because it's like over twice as budgeted
for
it.
So the motion should be to recommend to approve the agreement with Harrison Associates and then authorize a mayor to execute such agreement and approve corresponding
budget adjustment. I'll modify my motion to approve Item 8A.
Roll-call vote Passed 5–0 motion to approve Item 8A.
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Motion passes 5-0
Thank you very much All right, is there any closing comments by our council members Mr. Aponte
Thank you. Just one, as you've heard I go to these the Santa Barbara Library Advisory Council and the Friends of the Library here in Solvang. Our library has some needs as we all know. One of the things they do is they sell books and they make a fair amount of money off of it which is good but they have to store those books in a paid trailer out in the parking lot When I was there last, I went with Aaron the librarian and we went out and looked at the back lot. Back lot that's not a good word for it. There is a space behind the library to the left of the hallway that is about 25 by 15 feet.
I would like to see if it's possible for us to get some kind I'd like to have staff or somebody look into the possibility of putting in a shed back there that could be used to store books, to save the cost of the U-Haul. They've got a couple of U-Haul containers that hold all their books.
Could you have the librarian make some proposals?
Council Member Infante is suggesting that we have an item on a future agenda.
For potential library storage options, staff can... I
appreciate
wanting
to get movement on
it. So if we have a majority of interest from the council?
I don't know that we need to bring it back to council. We can certainly take that direction, I've already talked with Rafael about it. There are some size limits based on building codes and zoning issues but I think we can find something that will work where we'll work with the librarian and come back and report what we've done.
Thank you
very much
Any other closing comments? I want to make it clear for myself on a closing comment that without exception, I do appreciate our staff and our...I consider everybody represented by one person or one entity or another. Our staff is second to none in my book. They work together well as a team and I wish them the best, and I hope there's a middle ground or someplace to be to move forward.
So one last thing I have on item 10 And I don't know if we have any representative here from the Joan Jameson family. Very well, thank you for being here. It's with great honor and pride a lot of humility and sympathy to the family and condolences that we recognize and acknowledge Joni Jamieson, our colleague and a friend and icon for Solvang. And we will adjourn tonight in her memory.
She was a former Solvang mayor, city council member, planning commissioner, and architectural review board member. She was never mayor I'm sorry iIm reading my notes here so I apologize But nonetheless. Oh no, thank you. I'm not going to go into that. I just wanted to acknowledge her, let her know that she was loved. She was a formidable woman. I'll grant you that. I had the pleasure of knowing her working with her and she will be very missed and we're very honored that she blessed our community with her presence and skills and love with that.
And I have a A certificate here that the Mayor and City Council adjourned their meeting on September 14th, 2026 to honor the memory of Joan Jamieson. And I'm happy to give that... Are you her daughter? Yes. Please come up.
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Yeah.
I would put her in the class of part of the city's forefathers and foremothers. She really cared and just took so much time, pride and time to You know, guide people and make introductions. She did that for me a total stranger when I was elected four years ago she reached out and didn't know me from Adam and made some really important introductions for me and was counsel and you know kind of like consigliere here in there she was amazing amazing lady great honor to have known her yes
I'd just like to kind of piggyback on what Elizabeth said. I was one of the fortunate employees to work under her direction as City Council member when I worked here my first stint of 17 years, and she was one of the great council members.
Yes, yeah. With that and said I want to close tonight's meeting in honor of Joni Jameson at 8 08. Good night thank you.