Board of Supervisors — 2026-04-21

BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 April 21, 2026

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:24

All right, everybody. Welcome back. I will call the order. The April 21st, 2026 Special Meeting of the Santa Barbara County Supervisors. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Roll call — called by Unidentified speaker 22
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Supervisor Lavagnino? Here. Supervisor Lee? Here. Supervisor Capps? Here. Supervisor Hartmann? Here. And Chair Nelson? Here.

Just a reminder to the public, or announcement for the public, if you're just tuning in, this is considered a special meeting. It's a technical formality. This was originally planned on being a part of our regular scheduled meeting, but out of an abundance of caution and trying to be as legally transparent as possible, we call it a special meeting to make sure it was noticed properly.

With that, Madam Clerk, do you have any announcements or changes to today's agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:11

Chair Nelson and members of the board, The only quick announcement I have for members of the public who are participating in today's special meeting are regarding methods of public participation and instructions on how to provide public comment on items listed on today's agenda, which is just departmental item number one, and general public comment, please refer to page two of the agenda. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page two.

If you have any questions, please contact the Clerk of the Board's Office at 805-568-2240. Again, that number is 805-568-2240. And also for members of the public who are requesting to speak in general public comment, that will be at the conclusion of today's meeting, so that will be after departmental item number one in our special meeting. And lastly, as the Chair noted, if you did register for the regular meeting via Zoom, please note that link does not work, so you'll need to re-register for the special meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:14

All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. And just so everybody understands what we're doing here, so we're going to go ahead and make a presentation from Supervisor Capps and Supervisor Lee's office. And then once we go to public comment, I will close public comment as we start the first speaker. Right now, we're approaching about 30 public speakers, so I'm going to ask that public speakers try to keep their public comments to two minutes. We'll try to give you a little bit of liberty there, but if you have your public comment that you're looking at right now, please take a look at it, see if you can start to trim it down. If you were planning on three minutes, we're going to try to keep it to two minutes. We've already gone a little long today, and we appreciate all of you waiting for this item, but if you could keep your public comment to two minutes, we can get through everybody.

and deliberate on this item before too long. So with that, Madam Clerk, can you please read departmental item number one to the record.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:02

Chair Nelson and members of the board, departmental item number one is from Supervisor Lee and Supervisor Capps. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding prohibition of unauthorized use of county-owned property such as immigration enforcement, safeguard the integrity of county-administrated elections and the protection of ballots once they are cast and evaluate where legally permissible to prohibit immigration detention or enforcement facilities within the unincorporated county.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:29

All right, thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's turn over to our presenters today. We've got Mr. Henson from the Second District. Chris.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:39

Good afternoon, Supervisors. Chris Henson here with Supervisor Capp's office, and I'm joined by my colleague, Eleanor Gartner. Together with Supervisor Lee's office, we bring forward this item on preserving access to county property, protecting elections, and exploring local tools related to possible detention center proposals in Santa Barbara County. This is a proactive item focused on county responsibilities, public access, and public confidence.

Next slide. The issue. This proposal is a three-part response. First, public access. Protect public access to county property and make clear that county spaces should not be used for unauthorized enforcement activity. Second, safeguard elections and support voter confidence as we move into the 2026 election cycle. And third, maintain local control over land use decisions that may be implicated if detention facilities are proposed in the unincorporated areas of the county.

The through line here is protecting public access, protecting civic participation, and making sure Santa Barbara County has a say in any detention center proposal potentially affecting our communities. Next slide. The concern here is not abstract. The surge in ongoing enforcement activity has created fear, disruption, and a loss of trust in places residents rely on every day.

County-owned and other public spaces should remain accessible, usable, and safe, and should not function as unauthorized staging areas for immigration enforcement. When enforcement activity becomes visible in and around civic spaces, it can deter residents from seeking services, using public facilities or participating in civic life. Attachment A in your materials is the policy before you today.

Here we have local examples. These examples show why the issue has become immediate and local. When residents see enforcement activity near public facilities, campuses, or neighborhoods, it changes behavior and undermines trust. Our public spaces are supposed to be places people can use without fear or confusion. Next slide, please. The next part of this item focuses on elections. This board has a clear interest in ensuring that residents can vote freely, safely, and with confidence.

The urgency has increased because public discussion about federal involvement in voting raises concerns about intimidation or deterrence. And because recent problems with uncounted vote-by-mail ballots underscore the need for stronger public guidance and voter confidence ahead of the 2026 elections. With polling locations across the county, including some on county-owned property, a proactive county response is appropriate.

With that context, I'll turn it over to my colleague to walk through the election support measures, the voting rights education component, the detention center framework, and the recommended board actions before you today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed6:44

Thank you, Chris. Voter intimidation, sadly, has a long history in our country. Eligible voters should not feel disenfranchised to exercise their fundamental right to participate in our elections. This slide includes quotes our office heard directly from constituents around their fears to participate in elections in our own county. One woman shared, seniors at the center where I volunteer have lost their trust in voting by mail.

So, what can we do to help reaffirm our county's commitment to election integrity and safety? The second prong of today's proposal includes a series of proactive actions that will help support the election division's work. We heard during budget workshops that elections, thankfully, has not had any major issues in the past 24 years. We also heard elections does not have personnel dedicated to outreach to the public around election integrity and safety.

The fear that members in our community have had about participating in our elections is real, and it's in all of our best interest to amplify the work elections does and the safety measures they do have in place as much as possible. California's Secretary of State has a Bill of Voter Rights. Our Elections Division sends this out to every registered voter in the county, and we appreciate that.

Our office put together a supplementary Know Your Voting Rights flyer, which we've run by the Elections Divisions. It includes additional information around voter intimidation, and we request that county departments help disseminate this resource to the public and to county staff. Attachment B in this item's materials is the full flyer. As part of today's recommended actions, we ask that the Elections Division come back on May 5th to inform the Board, and importantly the public, of all the ways they protect our elections, secure our ballots, and promote poll worker volunteer outreach to the public and county employees.

The third prong of this proposal is to assess the county's land use tools that may lawfully prevent detention centers and enforcement facilities from being built in unincorporated areas. Jurisdictions across the country are grappling with the possibility of having federal detention centers built in their backyards, often with little to no opportunity for local public input or noticing.

This is a proactive approach to developing a framework to have at the ready if and when any proposals do come in from the federal government to build a detention center on unincorporated land. It's about maintaining local control. To paint a picture of the resources the Department of Homeland Security has, this graph illustrates the surge in funding for ICE, the largest recipient of DHS funding.

Other jurisdictions have been proactive in how they prepare to tackle this ballooning budget, and it's time that Santa Barbara County follows suit. For example, numerous jurisdictions have passed five-year moratoriums on permits, licensing, and zoning of all non-municipal detention facilities. To summarize, this proposal is about the protection of our community, our elections, and the land that we get to call home.

It's about standing up for our residents, ensuring that public spaces remain safe and the services the county provides to residents remain accessible, that our elections remain free, and that local voices and local control matters. Here are today's recommended actions for the Board's consideration. We'll now hand it over to Supervisor Capps and Supervisor Lee.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.8710:41

Thank you so much. Thank you to my team. I'm very proud of them. I'm proud of all of the work that has gone into this very thoughtful proposal, working alongside Supervisor Lee and his team, as well as the advocates. I want to thank County Council for her excellent guidance in crafting the ordinance that is very much on sound legal footing. I want to thank the members of the community, many of them who brought forward these ideas in the first place. We listened and we spent months on this because we wanted it to be thoughtful. We did not want it to be reactionary.

You know, I want to talk about the values that this is based on. We often speak here, we did so today, about local control. And it's really the guiding principle of our work as it applies here. This proposal is grounded in a simple premise. The county has jurisdiction over its own operations and responsibilities. This is not about politics or partisanship. It is about standing up for our community, our county community.

Forty percent of our residents rely on county services. That is a powerful number. Every time when I'm out and about and I tell people that, it's a surprise. But right now, too many people are afraid to access our services, to participate in civic life, even to vote. This proposal is about ensuring that public spaces that we, as county supervisors, lead remain safe and accessible. That the elections that we, the county, administers, not the state, not the federal, they remain free and that local voices are heard in the future land decisions that shape our communities.

I did spend years working on bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform in the U.S. Senate, and that commitment is core to who I am, but that work is distinct from what I am leading and addressing today. However one may feel about the broader national debate that goes on, That's one thing, but the reality on the ground here in Santa Barbara County is that the current enforcement actions are causing chaos in our county, in our community, and they are making us less safe.

And as local elected leaders, we have a responsibility to respond and to stand up for our county and the things that we control in our county, our public spaces, Our land use, our elections. Santa Barbara County is strongest when people that we represent feel secure, included, and able to participate fully in civic life. And today that is no longer true. In fact, that's impossible for a significant portion of our community, of the people that we represent.

So that's what we're working on here. Again, it's thoughtful. It's legally sound. And to me, it represents the values that are worth standing for. Supervisor Lee.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisor, District 1voiceprint 0.7814:03

Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Capps. So I want to start off by saying I want to say thank you to the community who's been very supportive on this. There's not a lot that we can do, but we need to try everything that we can. So as an immigrant myself from Taiwan, I understand what the immigrant community is going through. My mom and dad walk down the street with their U.S. citizen papers every single day because they are terrified. They're terrified the ICE will pick them up and take them somewhere that They don't know and I can't find them. That's terrifying.

And I hope a lot more people can have more empathy for people who are experiencing this. There's a lot of people who just don't care. I support law and order, but the activity that we are seeing across our country, our county, is not law and order. It's chaos. It's pure chaos. People being pepper sprayed on the streets, workers being grabbed from Home Depot. We have to do what we can.

We have to do our best. Because people are scared. People, even our citizens, are scared. People who are scared to vote, that's not okay. If we can make people feel safe wherever they go, whether they vote, that is a big improvement. We want to make sure that if people are going to public health or seeking social services, that they're not going to cancel those appointments because it affects us.

Whether it's paying your taxes or getting your county building permits, that's traumatic enough. We don't need to add fear to people's lives. That is what we want to protect our county lands. Our immigrant neighbors are the best and important part of our lives. Every one of us. This might not fix all problems, but we do what we can. Also, I want to encourage all the cities to look at what we're doing and take our template and follow our lead on this.

And finally, I want to say thank you to my colleague, Laura Capps. Working so hard on this issue and being a champion for the immigrant communities. Thank you. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:12

right. Thank you, Supervisor Lee. Questions from the board before we go to public comment? Supervisor Lavagnino.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed16:18

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So just on the legal side of it, I mean, I support all three of these, I think, in some fashion. Just the one thing that I've tried to do for a long time up here is to not give people a false sense of security and Thank you all for joining us. If we pass something like this, we lift expectations. That person that's coming to the county, I just want to make sure that, because I'm afraid that some of this isn't enforceable, right? So what would happen if, what would be our recourse? Let's say, let's go to number one, like they can't use county resources to assemble and do that thing.

We get a report that maybe in Tucker's Grove there's some ICE agents getting together and they're preparing for a thing. What would we be able to do, really, even if we pass this? I don't think our Sheriff's Department is going to go arrest ICE. I'm just trying to figure out what the real world situation would be. Or we see people gathering outside social services or something.

What could we do?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed17:52

Supervisor Lavagnino, members of the board. It really depends on the facts. So I know that's not always a satisfying answer. But this is prohibiting unauthorized immigration enforcement. So there are going to be circumstances where enforcement may be authorized or there's a warrant. So we really would need to see what the circumstances were. And I do think as a practical matter we probably Whoever is reporting would contact our law enforcement to go and check to see whether it's authorized or not.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.8718:24

Well, if I may jump in because one thing that really prompted me to start working on this was the incident that happened at Santa Barbara City College, which is in my district. We obviously don't have jurisdiction over that, but they did stage in the parking lot and it was terrifying. It was right around 545 and students were coming out of the library and fearful and didn't know what to do. And frankly, I think City College handled it very well, but there was a lot of confusion about what to do. At least In this situation, there would be a sign that said that it's not allowed. At least there would be clear guidance that that is a violation. Again, does that answer your question? I know they would still be violating. We have seen that ICE has trampled through all of the laws and trampled the Constitution.

Can we stop that? I'm not going to ever stand up, stand here and say we can stop that. But at least there would be a clear violation that is you are crossing a line. And I'm just saying the county has to set those lines. And it is already the line. This is literally just making that line known. I mean, that's why it's so legally sound is because it's just making that line known.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed19:38

One other question. So did you, when you guys drew this up, was county property also considered to be part of the jail part of the county property or how does that work?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.8719:49

That's where, Christa, do you want to answer this? That's been a lot of questions from the advocates as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed19:55

Supervisor Lavagnino through the chair. We understand in that instance it's, I think the terminology would be lawful enforcement activity. Authorized or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. With warrants and lawful.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed20:07

Okay. Those are my questions. All right. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:13

I guess I have a couple questions. The first one, Do we know if there are any proposed detention facilities planned at this point in Santa Barbara County? Is there any? Not that I'm aware of, Chair Nelson. All right. Thank you. And I guess I'm just trying to, you know, Cities don't necessarily have to go through a planning process, and maybe this is a question for County Council, maybe you can help me with this. Other municipalities, like we don't have to go through the planning process in the City of Santa Barbara.

So, and that's usually true of state and federal government on county property, right? I guess I'm trying to figure that out. So we typically, you know, if we want to do something and it's on city property, we do it on our own regulations. If the federal government owned property in the county, would they have the ability to do what they wanted to with that property?

Under the current

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed21:17

existing law? Mr. Chair, members of the board, so I am going to distinguish between cities and counties and then the federal government because the state law covers, like if county has property within a city, state law covers whether or not we have to get permits. So on federally owned land, it really depends on how they're using it and how they hold the land.

So there are, in many circumstances, for instance on Vandenberg Air Force Base where it's being used for military purposes and it's held in a certain way, we don't regulate. But if they have a different activity on federal land, I can't remember all the categories right now, but there are some circumstances where the use is, although it's on federal land, would be regulated by the county.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed22:02

Okay, so how about over at the Lompoc federal penitentiary? That's where the ICE office had been for many years until it moved to Santa Maria. How would this apply to that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed22:15

Mr. Chair, members of the board, I'm not exactly sure how that land is held, but my assumption would be that it's a federal activity on federal land and something that we would not regulate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed22:29

Okay, so this would just be if What we're going to, what is proposed to be prohibited is if the federal government wanted to maybe lease property that was owned by somebody else that was not federal. Like, you know, if they wanted to come to some of the warehouse and say, hey, we want to use your facility for a detention facility. That would be something that would have to then go through a permitting process.

I'm just trying to figure out if they're actually even subject to our permitting rules. And I know in the state government municipalities don't necessarily have that same concern. I'm just wondering how this impacts other governments.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed23:09

Mr. Chair and members of the board, there are circumstances where if the federal government leased property in the county jurisdiction where we would have permitting jurisdiction, but not in every circumstance. So it does depend on how they have a property interest and then what use they're using.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:32

Okay, and then going back to the question that Supervisor Lavagnino had about jail property, because I think one of the most common sites on county property is having ICE Waiting outside of our jails for people that are potentially going to be released because the state of California prohibits us from communicating with ICE so often ICE has to wait and see who comes out and you know knowing who has court dates they can kind of figure that out pretty easily and so at what time can they I mean does this they have to have a warrant to be lawful or can they just be out there waiting for people to potentially be released and how does this ordinance impact that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed24:19

Mr. Chair and members of the board, I mean the example that was used is the City College where the federal government was taking over the property and there are existing restrictions on being able to do that of county land and public property and so that's distinguishable for someone just entering the property. I mean the public is allowed to enter our property so it really depends. They don't necessarily have to have a warrant but it be whether they're having authorized activity.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:49

I guess that's the distinction is the authorizer is unauthorized and I guess I'm not clear the difference between those two.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed24:55

And Mr. Chair, members of the board, that's where I was getting at earlier. It's not a very satisfying answer to say it's fact specific but you do have to go and you would have to look into whether or not it's authorized activity.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:06

Okay, well that makes me really uncomfortable. Where does the supremacy clause come in with these types of local ordinances and local control with the federal government? I mean does I hate to use the word, but does federal government trump local government when it comes to this? Sorry, pun, really not intended. Wow. So.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed25:30

Way to go there. Mr. Chair, generally speaking, yes, but it depends on whether the federal government has occupied the field. And so there are still, there's still ability for the states and local governments to regulate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:42

Okay. And then the next one on the election side. Something I've been talking about all along is a lot of the ICE officers in our community are actually our residents. They live in our community. They're married to county employees. So, you know, when they come on to the property, I mean, is it just in their formal act as ICE this would apply or if they go to vote, right? So a federal agent goes to vote at a voting place. The distinction is I'm trying to figure out what those distinctions are there.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.8726:11

So if I can answer this. Yeah, obviously it's not, it would be in their uniform with their gun and this is a federal agent. And I, you know, I didn't realize until we did the research that federal agents aren't allowed at polling places. So I think it's just the purpose of this Know Your Rights Thank you all for joining us. Banning a detention center, it's directing planning and development to explore what options would be.

Because, and it is true we've seen in other jurisdictions around the country where these just spring up rather quickly as the graph indicated. Department of Homeland Security's budget has increased 75% in the last two years. So they have a massive budget and they don't ask permission. They don't say, hey, local government, can we do this here? You're asking sort of rational questions about an irrational agency.

And what we're trying to do is be proactive and get ahead of the game so that we do not have a detention center spring up, unbeknownst to us, in unincorporated county. And we look at the tools that we might have to exert our local voice. But I'm happy to answer more of your questions. No,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:47

thank you. Those answer my questions. Again, I think it becomes as we're hearing very facts specific and Again, that's a little bit of my concern here, but that answers my questions. Any other questions from the board? All right, we're going to go ahead and move to public comment at this time. That's unless, Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:11

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:11

have some additional feedback

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:11

before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr. Henson, do you have some additional feedback before we go to public comment? Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:21

Henson,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:21

do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:21

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:22

have some additional feedback before we go to

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:27

Okay, and I also know that the Sheriff would like to comment on this item. Mr. Brown, or Sheriff Brown.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed28:43

Yes, thank you, Chair. I just wanted to weigh in on a couple of things here that have been said, and I think we're on a little bit dangerous ground when All of this is going to depend on, it depends on a particular issue. I think it's important for people to understand, for the board members to understand, and for the public to understand a couple of things.

ICE agents are authorized by federal law to enforce immigration law. They are authorized to do so with two different types of warrants. They can do it with what's called an I-247, which is an administrative warrant, which is issued by the agency itself. And they can issue, they can also seek and obtain judicial warrants that are signed by a federal magistrate.

A federal magistrate's warrant is valid essentially anywhere and enforceable anywhere. The state of California has passed SB 54, which prohibits us from using county resources to assist or aid the federal government in their enforcement of immigration laws. And there's going to be a tremendous amount of gray area, I think. It's clear we obviously don't participate Thank you very much. I'm going to go ahead and get started.

to go there when they know that someone is going to be released and make an arrest. I think there has to be a real thorough legal analysis done before we get to feel that we as a county can pass an ordinance that is going to disallow ICE to do what they are federally authorized to do in certain instances. I think that the problem that we have is that, from a practical standpoint, if we were to say ICE may no longer come onto jail parking lot property or may no longer come into a lobby of the jail, we would probably see them staking out the jail itself and being on a public street and then watching someone get out and get in a car and then take off and then go after them.

and enforce their arrest in an area that is in a neighborhood or at a home or make a traffic stop or attempt to make a traffic stop and have a car take off and they would engage in a pursuit. And that puts everybody in danger, many, many people in the community, as well as The federal agents and the people that they are pursuing themselves are in danger. So I think it's important. I'm aware that there are a lot of counties that have passed these types of ordinances, but I am not aware of any sheriffs that have been able to say and have ICE follow a request that they not come on to the jail property.

I think the jail is probably a special class by itself, but I also have concerns about the supremacy clause, and we have to be very careful about not being accused of interfering with ICE's Given authorization to arrest somebody, that could be seen and perhaps potentially even filed as a criminal charge of obstruction of justice by the federal government. So I think it really needs a deeper dive than it may have had at this point on the legal look as to if this is even possible to do.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:18

Mr. Chair. Yes, thank you, Sheriff Brown. Supervisor Lavagnino.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed33:22

So, County Council, is this an ordinance or how would you classify it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed33:28

Supervisor Lavagnino, no, it is not an ordinance. This is a county policy that you're considering.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed33:34

Okay, so yeah, I think, I mean, I think the sheriff has a point that if we try to create a law that would, that's not what this is. So, understand and I think the point which he made, which I was concerned about, was the question was answered about if we're at the jail, if they do have a warrant or they're there justifiably so to do what they've been charged with doing, then We don't have an issue. It doesn't fall into this, so appreciate that. Thank you. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed34:02

right. Thank you, Supervisor Lavagnino. All right. Thank you, Sheriff Brown. I think this time we'll now go to public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed34:09

Chair Nelson and members of the board, we have 20 separate requests to speak from the public on this item. Going to begin here in Santa Maria, then we will go to Santa Barbara, then we will go to those members that have registered on Zoom. And if you are a member who have registered in advance on Zoom, we do have your name organized as they have come in, so no need to use the raise hand feature, but I do appreciate it.

We will now go to Ana Garcia to be followed by Alex Unidos 805. And Ana may have transitioned home to Zoom. So, is there an Anna Garcia here? All righty, we will go to Alex Unidos 805 to be followed by Natalia Perez. Alex?

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CommentAlexProposedself-stated35:00

Good afternoon Board of Supervisors. My name is Alex and I'm the field manager with Unidos 805. We mobilize our communities to vote, organize, and strengthen political engagement across the Central Coast. We thank Supervisor Capps and Supervisor Lee for addressing election protection, immigration enforcement on county owned property, and the concern of growing detention centers. I'm here today in support of the recommendation and urge you to consider additional provisions to protect elections in Santa Barbara County.

One, requiring the consultation with local civic engagement organizations to coordinate voter education efforts prior to get out the vote periods of each election. Consider the following organizations, Unidos 805, CAWS, Future Leaders of America, Santa Barbara League of Women Voters, North Santa Barbara County League of Women Voters, indivisible groups in Santa Barbara County and their college affiliated groups.

Collaborating with these organizations to increase the number of poll workers, strengthen poll worker training on voter ID requirements and conditional same-day voter registration procedures. Also increasing accessibility to polling and drop box locations within precincts with historic lower voter turnout. And lastly, implementing a process to document and track instances of election interference.

I urge the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors to approve the recommendation and consider additional provisions. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed36:23

Thank you. And we're going to go ahead and close public comment at this time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed36:29

We will now go to Natalia Perez to be followed by Willie Lubka. Natalia?

CommentNatalia PerezProposedself-stated36:44

Good afternoon, Chair and Board of Supervisors. My name is Natalia Perez and I am a resident of Santa Maria in the Santa Barbara County. I am the Civic Engagement Coordinator with Future Leaders of America. Our organization works to empower young people to become active, informed participants in our democracy through nonpartisan voter engagement efforts. We care deeply about the policies before you today Because when communities are safe and respected, civic participation grows stronger.

And young people are more likely to engage, vote, and lead. I am here in support of Supervisor Capps and Supervisor Lee's proposed policy and ask that rest of the supervisors do the same. Free and fair elections are the foundation of our political system and safeguarding voter confidence must be the top priority. When individuals fear intimidation, whether at the ballot box, or in their daily lives, they are less likely to participate in civic process.

I, a Latina U.S. veteran, have found myself feeling fearful at times. We have seen how immigration enforcement tactics can discourage illegible voters, particularly in the immigrant and mixed status communities. That kind of chilling effect weakens our democracy and silences voices that deserve to be heard. Santa Barbara County is strongest when all residents feel safe, included, and able to engage fully in civic life.

Yet aggressive federal immigration actions have repeatedly caused harm to families, disrupted essential industries like agriculture and caregiving, and created unnecessary fear in our neighborhoods. We have a responsibility at the local level to mitigate these impacts wherever possible. By setting clear limits on how county property can be used, this policy helps ensure that public spaces remain welcoming, and Accessible. Designated immigration enforcement as a special event rather than routine activity is a practical step that protects residents while preserving the intent to use of county facilities. Thank you, Natalia.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed39:04

That is your time.

CommentNatalia PerezProposedself-stated39:05

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed39:06

We will now go to Willie Lubke to be followed by Carson Link. Willie.

CommentWillie LupkaProposedself-stated39:16

Good afternoon, Supervisors. My name is Willie Lupka, and I serve as Executive Director of Buen Vecino, a community-based nonprofit founded in 2016. Our name, Buen Vecino, means good neighbor. Our vision is to cultivate a society where all people live as good neighbors, where human rights are guaranteed, and a sense of belonging is shared by all. We are here in strong support of this item.

ICE is not a good neighbor. because of what they do and how they do it. What they do is separating families, injuring businesses, causing fear and terror, and how they do it is by using consistently excessive force, brutality, and constantly demonstrating that they have a complete lack of accountability. These are their standard practices. Federal agents roving in our neighborhoods on a daily basis, deliberately imposing brute force more than needed on people and on property, demonstrating impunity, carrying out racial profiling and needless violence.

These activities should not be supported by taxpayer-funded facilities. So the ban on it, or the rule that it's not allowed, is needed. It's a sad thing that these rules are needed, that this policy has to be proposed, but that is our condition. As far as voting, we live in a time where there's a constant attack on voting rights, and it's under the cloud of violence that was spread by what happened on January 6, 2021.

Violence. So when we talk about people coming and guarding the polls, it's scary. Violence was allowed, and the current president treated the people who did it as perfectly fine people.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed41:17

Thank you, Willie. That is your time.

CommentWillie LupkaProposedself-stated41:19

Please vote 5-0. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed41:22

We will now go to Carson Link to be followed by Maria Salguera. Carson?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed41:31

Supervisors, Chair, on behalf of California Senate President Pro Tem Monique Lamone, I speak in support of this ordinance as an important response to actions that have created fear and instability in our communities. California has established a strong framework through laws like the California Values Act SB 54, which recognizes that public safety depends on trust, not fear. This ordinance reinforces that principle at the local level.

When our community is afraid to go to school, seek health care, report crimes, or participate in civic life, we are all harmed. Unfortunately, this is happening across our communities and this state. Local governments have the responsibility to determine how their public resources are used. This action also seeks to protect the integrity of our democratic processes. No one should feel intimidated or discouraged from participating in civic life, from voting, because of enforcement activity in public spaces. This ordinance is in harmony with our work in the Senate and legislature. At this time, when many are asking what we can do, this ordinance provides a concrete answer.

We can act within our authority to protect residents and uphold the law in order to build and preserve trust. I urge the adoption of this ordinance as an important step to protect members of our community and to also align with the commitment California has made to public safety and individual dignity for all who call this state home. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed42:56

Thank you, Mr. Link.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed42:59

We will now go to Maria Salguera to be followed by Ian Page in Santa Barbara. Maria?

CommentMaria SalgueroProposedself-stated43:05

Hi everyone. My name is Maria Salguero. I'm Senior Attorney at the Immigrant Legal Defense Center. Yesterday I represented a child here locally at the ICE facility. It is the youngest client I've ever had in almost a decade of practicing immigration law. I was there because she entered this country unaccompanied. Her parents were already here in this country and after her grandparents died in her home country, she had to flee. She had to come here.

She was placed in removal proceedings, but her parents are not because they never had contact with immigration officials. When we arrived to the ICE facility, it was just me and her, and we were there for a signature. We were there to comply for an ICE check-in. When we arrived, they asked where the parents were. I said they weren't here, and I let them know that I was counsel.

They threatened to call CPS, they questioned the child and said if I was threatening her, if I was abusing her, and ultimately when they realized that I was sort of passively sitting there with the child just waiting for a signature after being there for over three hours, they began to act like they do with violence. And I say this because I'm still shaken up by this and I'm angry. It's sort of like those moments where you're like, I should have said this, I should have said that.

But the officer came out and he said, so you don't want to bring dad? He's like, you don't think we can go hunt him down at his work, at his home? He's like, and this is going to be on you. He's like, because you don't want to bring him here willingly. And when I didn't engage and I actually, I was afraid, like quite frankly I was afraid and I couldn't make eye contact and he said, Look at me when I'm talking to you.

And I had the child next to me, my client next to me, and I realized in that moment it's not about the law, it's not about compliance, it's about violence. So if there's anything that you can do to stop this, I encourage you to do so. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed45:04

We will now go to Santa Barbara with Ian Page, then we will go to Zoom to begin with Susan Washing. Ian?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed45:11

Good afternoon, Chair Nelson and the Board. I am Ian Page, a community organizer and part of Indivisible Santa Barbara. I support the policies as set forth by Supervisors Capp and Lee based on the following. I think that ICE operates under a clouded color of authority. I believe that the use by ICE of our public, county-owned and operated property to perpetrate fear should not be permissible.

Use of our public property is not needed by ICE. They can prepare their operations at their own facilities. Using our community resources should be unacceptable. I think that it is a correct policy that we establish a line that ICE can be made aware of and that as a community, like the people of Minneapolis, we also reject ICE's impermissible and too violent use.

ICE has billions of dollars in funding and they want to spend millions of it building concentration camp style prisons. Our country has gone down that dark path before. We know the shame of Manzanar and its similar prisons in our nation. We should not willingly descend into actions in our county and our country that deny all of us are created equal and are, under our Constitution and laws, entitled to due process.

We should do what we can to explore the laws that can help us prevent the building of these prisons here and everywhere. We also need to withstand the oncoming threatened assault on our elections. We need to do everything possible to give our elected officials The information that they need to make our polling places secure and to train our poll workers on how to behave if intimidation tactics are perpetrated by ICE.

I think that these three things as put forth by our supervisors are all worthy of your support. So I say, On behalf of all of those who came before us, like my grandparents and probably yours, seeking a better life for themselves in this country, that we should do what we can to help them achieve that. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed47:30

Thank you. We will now go to Zoom with Susan Washington to be followed by Karen Rice. Susan. Susan, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments. Susan, if you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments. All righty. We will now go to Karen Rice to be followed by Juan Carlos Diaz. Karen? Hello. Can you all hear me?

Yes, we can. Please proceed.

CommentDrProposedself-stated48:13

Hi, my name is Dr. Karen Rice, and I'm strongly, strongly in favor of these policies. Thank you for drafting them. I want to use some of my time to ask you to engage your moral imaginations. In what I believe to be the inevitable eventuality that an ICE agent shoots one of your constituents, one of your neighbors, how will you find out? Will it be via call, a text? Will it be your chief of staff or a family member?

Will a news agency call you? Is that how you'll find out? And when you find out, what will be the first questions that go through your mind? I'm going to give you 10 seconds to think about that. What will go through your mind when they shoot one of us? If I'm not wrong, one of your first questions is likely to be, was it on county property? Where did this happen?

Did the people that I supervise, the people whose boss I am, do enough to stop it? You will be calibrating your sense of guilt, and you will be calibrating it in reference to, among other things, what you do today. Support these very straightforward, very defensible steps to protect our community. Not only are we talking about ICE accessing our county property, but just last week, ICE stopped some of your citizens, your constituents, from accessing the lobby of the jail.

They stopped us from entering that public property and exercising our First Amendment rights. And then when we talked to one of Sheriff Brown's deputies, he told us, the deputy told us that if ICE did it again, blocked us from county property in exercising our First Amendment rights, the deputies would not stop them. So this isn't just about ICE exercising public policy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed50:26

Thank you, Karen. That is your time. We will now go to Juan Carlos Diaz to be followed by Jacquelyne Carlson. Juan? And Juan, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments. Alrighty, we will now go to Jacquelyne Carlson to be followed by Hilary Litch. Jacquelyne?

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CommentJacquelyne CarlsonProposedself-stated51:07

Members of the Board of Supervisors, my name is Jacquelyne Carlson, and I am speaking on behalf of the Restorative Justice Education Center at Casa de la Raza. I urge you to support this policy, not only because it also allows you to, in the future, resolve in collecting data to potentially create some remedies into this county in class action litigations that will potentially come in changes of federal government policies and holding people accountable.

But because it's your responsibility to the people of this community to continue to provide safety and security on buildings and spaces that belong to the county. We all know that the county has served out Hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars in lawsuits. It is your responsibility to provide safety in the spaces. And whether or not it is by force of an incident that happens through ICE and Customs Enforcement, at the end of the day, when situations continue to occur that provide health and safety situations on your campuses, you have the legal mandate to provide safety. And when you don't, you look at class action litigation.

So I urge you to continue to pass policies, but I also request that you consider all of the families that are currently being hurt in those spaces when customs enforcement gets involved to the point of entering into hospitals for treatment. If we do not provide attention to the fact that our families and our community are being forced into medical treatment because of the way that they are injured on properties that belong to the county.

We will turn a blind eye and by turning a blind eye, our county will seek the kinds of situations in which they will be forced into civil action litigation. We don't need that in our county. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed53:19

We will now go to Hilary Lick to be followed by Chelsea Lancaster. Hilary?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed53:26

Imagine if federal policies succeeded in our county. The city of Santa Barbara is no longer synonymous with beaches, historic landmarks, and culture, but feels more and more like Minneapolis has in recent months. It's a place where armed federal agents stand on asphalt that has been painted in homage to Mixtec and Zapotec peoples, and where they kidnapped the descendants of those very people.

It's a town where dissenters are routinely silenced and the jails overflow. Communities unaffected by ICE activity thus far may have trouble envisioning all this. However, the fact is that 1,879 neighbors have already been seized by ICE in the 805 Area Code. The majority without warrants, just opportunistically snatched. This summer, SP residents will expect groups to perform folklórico dances during fiesta. And they will be dismayed if the vaqueros from Santa Ynez don't participate in the infamous El Desfile Historico.

But is it reasonable to expect the Latino community to come out when ICE agents are enjoying the support of the county? What is decided today has huge repercussions for tomorrow, economically and on all levels. Without strong leadership, the county will continue to lose its flavor, its richness and essence, little by little, and then abruptly. We already lost the 2025 Milpas Holiday Parade. What's next? The countywide Viva el Arte series, the Kite Festival at SBCC, the Lowrider and Summer Solstice Parades, public events through the libraries and at the Sunken Gardens, The prestigious Santa Barbara International Film Festival.

Our community is worth protecting and that means holding the line when ICE tries to take over county areas. You've got to hold the line and keep them out. Please act to date or risk losing everything that is worth celebrating about Santa Barbara County tomorrow.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed55:23

We will now go to Chelsea Lancaster to be followed by Thomas Becker. Chelsea?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed55:31

Hello, Board of Supervisors, community members. I just want to uplift the comments in support that have been made today. As somebody who is often responding to ICE at the jail in Santa Barbara City, I do have to say it's really disheartening, although completely unsurprising, to hear Bill Brown try to feign ignorance at the cooperation and collusion that is clearly happening between the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department And ICE.

I would love for the Board of Supervisors to take this a little bit further, actually, and think about some type of investigation. Looking at the news press article that just came out, and I believe that Bill Brown and the Sheriff's Department is in violation of SB 54. And what we are seeing right now is an increase in violence. An increase in menacing behavior by ICE agents, taunting us, taunting community members, making veiled threats in reference to our safety.

So really want to uplift this and ask the supervisors to take it further if possible. I also just want to amplify the story that Maria told. This is just I don't even have words anymore for the violence that we're up against. So I also would really love for the county to think about enforceability. Clearly, the call is coming from inside the house when it comes to the Sheriff's Department. So what are we going to do to actually ensure the safety of our people, of our county facilities, of people who are trying to vote?

Thank you so much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed57:09

We will now go to Thomas Becker to be followed by Katie Sanders. Thomas?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed57:17

Hi, thank you. This is all so much puffery. You're not going to do anything. The federal government in the Supremacy Clause is supreme, federal law supreme. Federal law and federal Department of Homeland Security ICE, they have a perfect right to enforce immigration law. And if they want to use your parks or your parking lot to stage, Well, they can do it because their actions are legal and there's nothing you can do about it. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? Are you going to send sheriffs out there to confront ICE agents with lethal force? No, you're not going to do that.

The federal government can do whatever they want as far as their property. If they wanted to convert the Lompoc Federal Prison into a detention center, they could do it. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. And there's one more thing. When you think about federal law enforcement, think about Marilyn Ferris. Remember her? You probably have forgotten about her.

Raped and then beaten to death with a hammer in her home in Santa Maria by an illegal alien who had just been released from county jail by the very people that are talking now who thought that that illegal alien had a right to a better life in this country. You are all just a bunch of assholes. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed58:42

That's enough, Mr. Becker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed58:47

We will now go to Katie Sanders to be followed by Anna Garcia. Katie?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed58:53

Hello, can you hear me?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed58:56

Yes, we can. Please proceed. All right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed58:57

OK. Hello,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed58:59

I am

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed59:00

Katie. Pardon?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed59:02

If you can please mute any of the devices in your background so we don't get the feedback, that would be greatly appreciated.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed59:10

OK, is that better?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed59:13

I believe that is. Yes, thank you. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed59:17

I'd just like to say that I, from my experience, the Sheriff and the Santa Barbara Police Department are collaborating and protecting ICE, not community members. And what we need right now is for you to protect us with these ordinances. I know they're not laws, but we've got to start somewhere. exercising our local authority. Right now, the entire sheriff's facility, the VA parking lot, alternative sentencing, the lobby of the jail, the probation, social services lots, they're all being used by ICE. Those are county facilities. They have ICE cars that are blocking us from accessing these places. They do not follow the law. I spoke with a sheriff the other day and he told me that all ICE are considered law enforcement and they are allowed to block public spaces in the course of their duties and the sheriffs will do nothing to impede them or forbid them to block public access.

ICE is allowed to break the law with impunity on county property, on city property, anywhere they want to be. There's no accountability. They're speeding. They don't have license plates on their car. They beat people up. They bear spray people. They drive recklessly. They do whatever they want. The other week, they crashed their vehicle right in front of the sheriff's office, and their oil from their vehicle leaked right into the water.

The police chief of Santa Barbara also says they can't do anything about ICE. Basically, ICE can do whatever it wants. So why shouldn't we keep them off of the county property? This is the way to protect at least some of Santa Barbara. I heard Bill Brown saying or implying that it's basically safer for ICE to arrest or conduct their activities on county property. So they're not doing it in the streets, but I have news for him. They are doing it in anywhere they want. They will do what they want and his department will do nothing to stop them. So right. Another commenter said, if someone's killed, ICE is going to be able to murder someone. We're going to do nothing just like Minneapolis. The other thing about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:01:27

that is your time. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:01:28

right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:01:28

Thank you. We will now go to Anna Garcia to be followed by Cheryl Trosky. Anna?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:01:40

Hello, I am here to speak in strong support of this policy. I want to begin by appreciating the board for taking this necessary step toward asserting our local autonomy. By standing up against federal tyranny and overreach and the creation of a surveillance state that seeks to criminalize our residents into submission, you are showing that Santa Barbara County will not be intimidated. The people of this county are behind you, regardless of what Mr. Thomas said. I wonder if people are as concerned about the white man shooting epidemic that's taking over our country. I also want to address the lies that Sheriff Bill Brown spoke to. To be clear, ICE is not authorized to conduct traffic stops or search vehicles or homes based solely on a simple administrative warrant.

We must demand that they follow the laws and the rights that are enumerated in the Constitution. Families picking up their loved ones from the jail should not be forced to live in fear while simply trying to support their family members. Flush Brown down. Recall the sheriff now. That's for us constituents listening. Regarding the recommendations before you today, how will the use and preservation policy be enforced on the ground? We need to know who will ensure that unauthorized purposes are stopped and what that oversight looks like. We also need to require judicial warrants, not administrative warrants. These are people who are being released from the jail, which means that they also deserve due process. Any leeway that we give these tyrants will eventually come back to impact all of us.

None of us are safe unless all of us are safe. Finally, we have seen unidentified agents preventing public access to the jail lobby and appearing to collaborate with probation and contractors that intercept individuals dealing with their ankle monitors. So, I urge that the May 5th reports explicitly address these protocols for all county-administered sites with special emphasis on the jail, because that's where the biggest violations are happening. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:03:54

We will now go to Cheryl Trosky to be followed by Michael Lynch. Cheryl?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:04:02

Good afternoon. Thank you, Chair Nelson and supervisors. This is not an immigrant issue as characterized because any immigrant citizen is welcomed and permitted to vote. Joe Holland, County Assessor-Clerk Recorder, who was in charge of elections, assured the board during the budget workshop hearings last week that this notion that there's voter intimidation, poll watcher and voter suppression, and assault on our elections is not a credible claim. It's not a credible issue. The idea that ICE will be at polling places to apprehend abiding citizens is ridiculous. Federal agents aren't permitted at polling places.

This ordinance is not grounded in reality. It's very much about politics and shameful fear-mongering. supported by lots of misinformation. I oppose this ordinance. Please support our law enforcement and uphold the existing laws. Vote no on this ordinance. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:05:16

We will now go to Michael Lynch to be followed by Gloria Soto. Michael?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:05:25

Unmute. Thank you for bringing this up. I support the ordinance that's being presented. I fully support it personally for all the reasons that have been discussed. I would like to address why anybody would oppose it. There is, as far as I can see, no reason for immigration enforcement to be done at a polling place or any of the other county places we're talking about.

So they don't need to be acting as immigration enforcement. If they're brought in as theoretically as some sort of police sort of deterrent, we don't need it. We have our county personnel that provide plenty of protection. We don't need help. And that's the only reason I can think of that anybody would say, oh, yes, they should be there. So thank you for bringing this up.

And we definitely do not need ICE on our property. We have a great system. Oh and also I have worked at elections in almost every election in the last at least 20 years and we have not had a single issue that we could not in some way handle. So we certainly don't need any assistance. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:07:18

We will now go to Gloria Soto to be followed by Lee Heller. Gloria?

CommentGloria SotoProposedself-stated1:07:27

Good afternoon, Chair and members of the Board. My name is Gloria Soto and I'm a resident of Santa Barbara County and a representative of Future Leaders of America as its Executive Director. Our organization works closely with immigrant youth and youth from immigrant families. We lead nonpartisan civic engagement efforts that help young people understand their rights, participate in our democracy, and build stronger, more connected communities. I'm here today in strong support of the ordinance that has been introduced by Supervisors Capps and Lee. This is not a partisan matter. This is about the kind of country and county we choose to be and the responsibility we hold to every person who lives, works, and raises a family in our county.

In recent weeks and months, our community has experienced significant strains due to aggressive federal immigration enforcements. Families are living in fear. Parents are hesitant to send their children to school. Workers are avoiding public spaces and people are delaying or foregoing medical care. This level of anxiety is just not sustainable and it should not be tolerated.

I support all three components of the ordinance and strongly urge you all to vote in favor. And again, thank you Supervisors Capps and Lee for bringing this forward. It's important that we ensure that all residents feel safe, included, and more importantly, able to fully participate in our democracy and civic life. Thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:09:03

We will now go to Leigh Heller, then we will return to Susan Washington and Juan Carlos Diaz, who formerly had some audio issues. Leigh Heller?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:09:13

Chair Nelson and members of the board, I'll be brief because so many of the people who've spoken today have covered the points I would want to make. I do want to thank Supervisors Capps and Lee for bringing this forward. I appreciate Supervisor Lavagnino's comments. The reality is that the county has the right to prohibit immigration activity that is unauthorized on its property. And that's the distinction that's being lost by some of these public commenters. You cannot prevent federal immigration agents from enacting their duties under federal law, as long as it is authorized. And that is the difference, by the way, between the judicial warrant and the administrative warrant, something that Sheriff Brown seemed to want to make fuzzy. If you have a judicial warrant, you're going to have to step out of the way.

We understand that. But there's a whole gray area where ICE pretends to operate under color of law, and they are not. And this is your chance to set boundaries around that on county property, including in polling places. So I strongly support this. And again, thank you so much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:10:12

We will now return to Susan Washing to be followed by Juan Carlos Diaz and we will go to our final speaker, Ethan Bertrand. Susan Washing. And Susan, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments. Ready. Looks like Susan is not there. We will now go to Juan Carlos Diaz to be followed by Ethan Bertrand. Juan. Juan, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please unmute on your end.

All righty, we will now go to our final speaker, Ethan Bertrand. Ethan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:10:58

Hi, good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the board. Ethan Bertrand here for Assemblymember Hart's office. Appreciate Supervisor Capps and Supervisor Lee for bringing this forward, along with all members of the board for consideration. Assemblymember Hart stands with our immigrant community and appreciates everything that the county can do to make sure that our immigrant neighbors feel safe, especially in regard to accessing public services and voting. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:11:29

And that concludes public comment on this item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:11:35

I have a couple questions. All right. So, I hear this and I guess I'm a little fuzzy on it. It's the administrative warrants versus judicial warrants and that might be a determining factor on ICE engagement in the community. And I guess, does that matter for our purposes of this ordinance? I think that was something that some of the public commenters thought that that mattered, whether it was a judicial warrant versus administrative warrant. Is it still all authorized activity, whether it's an administrative warrant or a judicial warrant?

I don't know who can answer that question, whether it's council or staff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:12:16

Mr. Chair, I do have notes on the distinction between the two, but I have to look that up, but I will just repeat that it isn't an ordinance, it is actually a policy, so it's a little bit different. I'm not sure that what type of warrant really matters for this purpose because it really depends on what kind of warrant they have and what they're trying to use it for.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:12:38

And that's what's really hard here too, right? So and I guess this is one of the things I'm really concerned about in our community is that we have people out there that are becoming constitutional scholars on both sides on what is lawful and what's not. You know, we have people slashing, you know, law enforcement's tires, attacking officers who are arresting people lawfully.

And it's because they think that, you know, that they have some vigilante obligation to enforce law that's not being enforced somewhere else. And so with this, I'm concerned if that this adds another layer for people in our community that believes that they're going to be now telling ICE, you can't be at a county property and Sheriff's Office isn't going to enforce it. So, you know, does that give somebody, you know, the feel like the right to You know, put their hands on law enforcement at that point. I mean, these are the things that we're seeing happen in our community right now. And I'm really curious on whether this helps that or hurts that. Because actually, I think it potentially adds fuel to that fire. And that's one of my concerns with this ordinance is that so much is unclear.

We don't know what's authorized. We don't know what's unauthorized. We don't know. It's very fact specific. We don't know who's going to enforce or there is any enforcement. And so, again, these are the things that I'm really concerned about. And the uncertainty that I see here on this. So, I mean, that's partly asking a question, also making a statement, but that's something I don't know if you guys can help me with that, but that's where I'm at.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.871:14:11

Please. If I may, I mean, certainly we don't condone violence, but certainly the majority of the violence has been directed from ICE and the authorization. Not actually both sides. The authorization has been zero in these cases that we've highlighted. So you can get, you can parse whether it's a particular kind of warrant. But what's been concerning is that there's been no heads up to our on public spaces to any entity of any kind with any kind of lawful justification. So we can get into the nitty-gritty, but I don't think this will add fuel to the fire. I think the fire is already there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:04

Thank you Supervisor Capps. Supervisor Lee.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisor, District 1voiceprint 0.781:15:08

I do believe that it gives people hope. Even right now they feel helpless and by doing this gives them a chance to be heard and feel like we are trying to do something. At the very least we are trying and that's important to a lot of people.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:23

All right.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisor, District 1voiceprint 0.781:15:24

Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:24

Lavagnino.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:15:25

Are we on deliberation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:27

I think so but I'm done with my questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:15:32

Yeah, I just appreciate everybody showing up and talking about this again. And when I first saw it, honestly, I was like, oh, shoot. The one thing I hate is lifting people's expectations. But, you know, I get the spirit in which it's given, and that is to give people hope. And when the person was asking, well, sit there for 10 seconds and, you know, what's going through your mind, if you heard that, it was not whether or not it would be on county property. That's insignificant to me. It was what could I have done about it, right?

I don't know what I, it's so murky of what you can and can't do, but moving these items is not really controversial to me. I mean, the idea of voting when you have an administration that is saying, I mean, came right out and said, hey, I want to nationalize elections, and there's probably 15 places where we need to have our party run the elections. That's not something you normally hear coming out of the White House. And then we had the speaker follow that up and just a total either lack of understanding of how California elections work or just a lot of the regurgitating, a lot of the conspiracy theories that I've had to deal with for a long time when people talk about California elections. Everybody that's associated with elections, if you're on the ballot, you understand how all this works, and you get it, and you understand that.

I think one of my favorite memes of all time, and I can't remember who the two candidates were, but it was election for governor in the state of California, and it had a Republican And he had like 213,000 votes and then had the Dem and had like 180,000 votes. But CNN and everybody had called it for the Dem, you know, and all these people were like, how could this happen? You know, how can you call that? Well, yeah, there's going to be 6 million votes cast. Okay. This was 200,000. He had a vote. We counted Modesto first, you know, or Bakersfield.

I don't know how much of it is just, I think that that is, and I'm really looking forward to hearing from elections on what their plan is, because we've got to have a plan. And as Supervisor Lee said, you know, I'm a law and order guy too. And, but what I've seen from ICE over the last year, it's just unconscionable. I never thought in this country, honestly, that I would witness Somebody get executed in broad daylight on a street that is a ICU nurse in the Department of Veterans Affairs because he's out speaking his mind and doing what is how this country was founded is letting your point be heard. So and then the scariest part of that is it just kind of got forgotten, right? Like It's over, and we just move on to the next thing. So, the weirdest part of this is, you know, when Mr.

Becker said, have you forgotten Marilyn Ferris? Absolutely, I have not. And I support removing violent criminals. And that's what's so baffling about this whole thing is, I think 90% of Americans are okay with taking people that are violently committing crimes in this country and removing them. And if you would have done that, I think people would be okay with that. That's moving in the right direction. But snagging people off the street, separating families, just doing this so haphazardly and doesn't seem to be any focus is just baffling to me. The strategy or lack thereof is just boggles the mind. Now, what's going to happen when folks expect us to show up and roust ICE off of jail property?

You know, that's when we're going to have to say, that's when the supremacy clause comes in or they have a warrant or they're allowed to be here. It's going to be difficult. But I think it goes back to that 10 seconds. So what do we do? I don't want to be sitting here explaining to my grandkids that I, you know, I was splitting the hair of what I thought was legal or not legal or, you know, you got to do something. And so I'll totally support this.

Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:19:50

Hartmann.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3voiceprint 0.771:19:51

Yes, excuse me, I very much, excuse me, very much appreciate Supervisors Capps and Lee bringing this forward and giving the community an opportunity to weigh in. It may be largely symbolic, at least part of it, but symbols are important. Symbols say we're trying and we're doing what we can and we're standing with the people who feel threatened by what's happening and so I want to be on that side of the issue and I do think The federal threat to our elections, seizing ballots in Georgia, a candidate seizing ballots here in California, this is unprecedented.

It sometimes strikes me that the administration is projecting onto others its own policies and behaviors and election integrity when it's, when we found problems it was actually Republicans and we see an administration that is just way beyond the pale. So I support whatever we can do And in terms of these concentration camps, I mean, they're way over building what would go just for housing immigrants and I wonder who they're coming for next. So I think it's really important that we do draw a line and I'm happy to stand with you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:21:35

All right. Thank you, Supervisor Hartmann. Just So you guys all know I'm happy to support item B, coming back for the election side. Absolutely. I'm 100% there. I think the more information the better and let's get clarity there. I think that's a really important thing. I do have concerns about A and C. I could get into my all my philosophies on what's going on at the national side and you know I assume you guys would be surprised by some things and maybe not surprised by others but I don't think that's actually productive for this conversation and moving things forward.

I won't be able to support A and C but if we can break that up into two different motions I'll be happy to fully support the elections piece here today.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.871:22:19

I'd be fine to do that if that I really appreciate the way this conversation is going as always and I also just I'm glad we're gonna have the conversation about with the Elections Division because we've spent a lot of time on ICE and deportations, not as much as families have spent worrying about it, absolutely, but we haven't on elections and I know Supervisor Levin, you know, I thought of you a lot when we were working on this because of just the elections conversations that have happened over the last couple years with And we have the power of communication in our offices and we need to use it. There is a crisis going on. When we started these meetings over the last several months and we heard these anecdotes that Eleanor pulled out, you know, a volunteer at a senior center says that they all vote by mail and they're not planning on it right now.

I mean, that's a crisis of democracy. And we have to help our elections division. We heard from Joe Holland that communicating with voters is not what they do. They run the internal mechanism. Thank goodness they do it well. But we need to really step up efforts to improve voter confidence quickly because of all of the fear. Not just of ICE, just of ballots being seized with a sheriff in Riverside, of just all of this confusion. We all know this because we spend a lot of time thinking about it, but when there's confusion, people freeze and they don't vote.

And that's what we're up against. And so when we started digging into this, the thought was, well, let's just help them out. Let's just add the power that our offices can bring to this. Did you know that our county has a program that if you are an employee you can volunteer to be a poll worker the day of the election and you actually get a stipend? Only a handful of employees participate. So what if departments actually send out an email about that? That doesn't happen now.

Our county council's office sends out an email and her office is probably the only department that does. So what if we just get more Awareness so that people feel assured that our elections are safe because our county runs these elections and we have a lot to be proud of. We have a tremendous a lot to be proud of. So I just, I'm hopeful that the Elections Division will come back.

It's a request. They are an independent division, so it's a request. We've had a meeting with them and made that request already. But that, I just want us to think about this and I don't think we just stop there. We have an election in June and we have an election in November, but I think we have a lot to do, not just within the immigrant community, this is far beyond that to restore, to strengthen voter confidence that our county runs these elections and They'll be safe. We'll do everything in our power to do that. So again, just really appreciate the way that the conversation is going and Supervisor Nelson, if you'd like to break up the item, I'm happy to do that to earn your support on this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25:36

If I could just jump in on that elections piece specifically, you know, that's not something that's that's both sides that are concerned about elections and that's something so I Having, you know, confidence in is something that we need to do for everybody around. I mean, yeah, what you're hearing now has been, I've been hearing that from many of the people on the right for quite some time about their concern and whether their ballot mattered because of the potential fraud. So I think we're all in the business of getting rid of the fraud, getting rid of the intimidation, and making sure that we have the most fair selections possible. So I'm 100% there.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.871:26:13

Let's see, how do we...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:26:15

Can we do a motion on B and take a vote on B first and then you guys can have the vote on A and C? Is that okay?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.871:26:22

Sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:24

You guys want to make the motion?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.871:26:26

Yeah, let's... I'll make the motion on our recommendation of Item B, which pertains to county elections.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:26:38

Any further discussion on that one? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? The motion passes unanimously and now a motion on A and C if you would.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2voiceprint 0.871:26:52

I will propose the motion on items A, which relates to county preserving access to county property, as well as item C, which asks the planning division to come back with tools related to the potential banning of detention centers in unincorporated areas. All in favor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:27:13

signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Nay. Motion passes 4-1 with Nelson dissenting. All right, so that concludes this item. We still need to make a general public comment available, so thank you everybody that has stuck around all day and those that are watching on video for sticking with us. That does conclude this item and we will now go to general public comment. Madam Clerk, do we have any general public comment on for this special meeting?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:27:51

Chair Nelson and members of the board, we do have one request to speak from the public on general public comment today and that is Angelina Damonte on Zoom. Angelina?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:28:05

Hello, good afternoon, Chair Nelson and Board of Supervisors. I'd like to thank some of the staff of Santa Barbara County who showed up to work and continuously shows up to work and does a great job while taking their job seriously, thus providing excellent customer service, as some employees do a great job and often get overlooked. I would like to thank and recognize especially Hubei Guzman with Adult Protective Services. Hubei really made a big impact and a big difference on a disabled, dependent elder's life recently. In fact, Hubei never gave up on the elder while working with him. Ube provided hope to an individual who slipped through the cracks. Ube helped actually save the life of the elder, in addition to provide hope for the elder while many other departments within the county bailed the elder while he slipped through the cracks.

I'd like to thank the Board of Supervisors for allowing an audit to take place. However, it appears that there needs to be a much deeper dive into the county and the departments for the budget. Instead of just looking towards the Sheriff's Department, who is understaffed and overworked, I think we need to take a closer look at other departments and see where we can cut and pair public and private.

It seems to be and appears there are wasted funds and mismanagement within some of the departments and staff, money being misused, and some of the positions causing some fraud, waste, and cover-up, which is a misuse of taxpayers' resources with potentially both state and federal funds. I ask the CEO of Santa Barbara County, Ms. Mona Miyasato, and the supervisors to look closely at the law of the Civil Code section The California Penal Code Section 424, the misappropriation of public funds law, is covered under that section.

I also would ask that the CEO and the supervisors take a close look at Government Code Section 8547.2. It appears that it might be potentially violated by some employees. It appears that a truly thorough federal independent audit needs to be invoked to better assist the CEO and the Board of Supervisors for the sake of transparency in order to properly identify fraud, waste, and abuse of positions and or covering up crimes for the benefit of others.

As it would appear that a high-risk federal audit is appropriate for the CEO and our supervisors, which I would hope that they would reach out to our Congressman, Salud Carbajal, and ask that he help facilitate a truly independent audit, and perhaps seek assistance from Congress, from the federal government to step in and assist with the truly independent audit for the County of Santa Barbara, its departments, and CEO. It would help to eliminate potential tax waste of funds, as well as to help reorganize and restructure the county and the departments to have a better run and more efficiently county operating system.

Taxpayers of Santa Barbara County deserve the transparency and accountability. As I am aware that it appears there to be some fraud and misuse, it seems like we would definitely want to encourage our elected officials and our CEO who all got pay raises recently and voted themselves pay raises. to take an independent look, and if they can't do it because of conflicts of interest, to reach out and have someone come in and do an independent audit, because the audits clearly don't seem to be working. It seems that the Sheriff's Department is being isolated and picked on more recently, and it seems like there are other departments that need to have a closer look. I mean, there's definitely a lot of issues. I can talk about Arlene Diaz with the Public Administrator's Office.

She has cost the county a tremendous amount of money for failing to do her job, failing to administer an estate, accepting the responsibility to be a fiduciary of an estate where the decedent was suing the county of Santa Barbara. There's a lot of things that get overlooked, and I think that it's really important for the supervisors and the CEO to slow down, pause, and look at the departments.

Everyone has heard complaints from the community over time, and I don't think that anything's been addressed. The $70 million that came from the audit, it appears it's going back to some of the departments. It also seems that there could be a lot of public pairing with private, which would also help stimulate the economy and put money back into our communities and provide jobs and will lighten the burden on some of the county. So I urge the county to work together and try to reach out to Salute Carver Hall to facilitate an audit. Thank you for your time and have a wonderful day.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:32:56

And that concludes general public comment for today's special meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:32:59

All right. We officially adjourned today's special meeting and regular meeting and we will see you all again in Santa Barbara on May 5th.