BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 April 17, 2012

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:20 · ≈ 9:00 AM

Well, good morning everybody. I'd like to convene this regular session of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Mr. Allen would you call the roll please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed0:29 · ≈ 9:00 AM

Ms. Wolfe, Ms. Gray, Mr. Lavagnino, Mr. Carbajal, Ms Farr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:35 · ≈ 9:00 AM

Here. Would you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:36 · ≈ 9:00 AM

please rise with me for the Pledge of Allegiance?

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated0:41 · ≈ 9:00 AM

I pledge

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:42 · ≈ 9:00 AM

allegiance to the flag of the

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated0:44 · ≈ 9:00 AM

United States of

Roll-call vote Passed 1–0 Moved by Joni Gray · Seconded by Salud Carbajal · 1 under review
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America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you. Now we need to approve the minutes of our April 10th meeting. Do I have a motion or any comments? Motion, do I have a second by Supervisor Carbajal? Motion by Supervisor Gray. All those in favor say aye.

Aye. Opposed? Alright, motion carries and now we're going to go into public comment. It's time for people to comment on items that are not on today's agenda. Mr. Allen, I understand we have some public speakers

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:28 · ≈ 9:01 AM

Madam Chair, members of the board. Yes we have six requests to speak. We're going to start with Marina Reed here in Santa Barbara to be followed by Elsa Granados

CommentElsa GranadosProposed · by introduction1:43 · ≈ 9:01 AM

Thank you there's actually three of us we'd like to change the order if that we may Is that all right with you? I would have to tell you that next time huh? All right well so why don't you go ahead and tell us what order you want Mr. Michael Weissman and then myself and then Candace Jones

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:57 · ≈ 9:01 AM

Okay thank you

CommentDr. Michael WeissmanProposedself-stated2:03 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Good morning. I'm Dr. Michael Weissman, you may recall that I spoke before you two weeks ago regarding the fraud that we a group of concerned citizens and homeowners perceive is being perpetrated upon this county by Wall Street banks with regard to the foreclosure of mortgage loans We had gathered evidence, we believe of violations of law including fraud and illegal options.

We had met with the DA and the sheriff and felt that our claims of injustice have been ignored. We came before you to request that you simply ask the local county officials to do their job. We ask, to ask the county recorder to perform an audit as the recorder of San Francisco City County has done and to report any irregularities to the district attorney. To ask the district attorney to investigate suspicious recordings and prosecute as appropriate.

And to ask the sheriff to suspend evictions until a full investigation has been performed. The only response we've had from the board was Supervisor Wolf's question to the county attorney following my presentation. I believe the gist of it was, to what extent is the Board of Supervisors responsible for the actions of the county officials? And I believe the answer was in effect none.

However, it went by very quickly. I did not take notes and it was not in the minutes so I may be mistaken. But this is not the point. Even if the board has little direct control over their actions your opinions and actions will certainly guide them. In fact officials at both the DA and Sheriff's Office had indicated to us that they would be more proactive If they were so directed by the Board of Supervisors.

After all, you have the ultimate power to pass ordinances to right wrongs and then the county officials must obey those laws. Surely this issue is important enough for the citizens of this County. And thus I hope to the board That a full airing of the board's jurisdiction and what actions the board can take in this matter is warranted. The second reason I'm here again, is to report to you on our meeting with the county recorder and the very serious issue this has revealed about what has been recorded in the County Hall of Records.

I was shocked to hear Mr. Holland say that, in effect, the Hall of Records does not contain a legally valid chain of title.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:11 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Thank you, sir. I'm sorry your time is up. If you have some written comments that you want to submit, you can go ahead and do that to the clerk.

CommentDr. Michael WeissmanProposedself-stated5:18 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Yes, I'll pass these to you. Please read the last paragraph. This is very serious.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:23 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Thank you. Marina Reed to be followed by Candace Jones

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CommentElsa GranadosProposed · by introduction5:32 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Good morning, everyone. On or about March 20th this year we provided you a copy of our report entitled Trustee Sales in California Crisis by Theft Citizens Report which exposed the ongoing illegally conducted trustee sales happening in California and specifically here in Santa Barbara. On April 3rd I came to follow up on my submission and spoke with the panel We have two other concerned citizens as a matter to shed light on the subject matter as far as mass crime that is occurring here in Santa Barbara.

I'm writing to you today, and I will submit a copy of this, and I've also emailed a copy of this to each of you last night. Four main points. I've attached the subsequent addendum. It seems that many people read the report, and they read two little clauses in the code, and they just dismiss the whole thing. So this is an analysis. Explaining those parts of the code so that you can move forward with it.

I'm also attaching the full in my email, I attach the full report so that you can share it amongst yourselves, share it amongst your constituents shared amongst people so that you folks can become educated and inform other people about it to date. I have not received any response from any of the board members regarding having Acknowledgement of receiving it, having read it. Nothing. It's like a black hole and that is my experience generally with the county. I used to work for the county so I can speak to that.

So I'm directly requesting that there's an acknowledgement from specifically the individuals. I know that the clerk has received it but I would like to hear from each of you You have received it, that you have read it. And also I have requested that your calendar person whoever that is for each of you contact me so that we can set up an appointment to discuss the matter directly with you.

I already have one in play with Ms. Farr because she was my direct representative but we are requesting each of you since this is regarding all of us in each of your areas Many of us were in attendance. I greatly appreciated Board Members Wolf's question to the Council regarding the role or the power of the board as regarded Uh, giving you know whether the sheriff or the district attorney need or can take direction from you.

But we were left greatly concerned with the disconnect by Council Marshall's response though his response may be accurate it answered a different question than the one posed by Supervisors Wolf. We are concerned that many have not been...we're concerned that this may not have been noticed by the board members as such you were left to believe that there is no power You have no power to direct the sheriff or the DA to request an investigation, or to request a receiver report regarding the investigation and their progress regarding prosecution on the related matters.

Rather it seemed that you were left with a hands-off posture would be the correct way to go for the board which would in our mind abandon your responsibility and accountability to the citizens in the County of Santa Barbara I transcribed what was said during that meeting. It is here and you will be able to see that there was a disconnect that was going on with that. So, I request that your calendar people contact me and I've left my phone number there. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed8:56 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Candice Jones to be followed by Dr. Robert Jones

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed9:06 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Good morning. I came to Santa Barbara about 24, almost 24 years ago. I was brought in with the Resolution Trust Corporation. I don't know if you're familiar with that. We were brought in just closed down Santa Barbara Savings and Loan and County Bank because of the wrongdoings. It was a form by the government. I worked with the RTC. We did shut down the SNL's at the time that one of this tsunami hit And Paulson and Geithner and all of them were approached with bringing back the Resolution Trust Corporation. They immediately put the crouch to that and said no, reason being we were bankers going in and examining bankers they didn't want that.

I've been in the industry now for 38 years, and I have watched what has happened in our country and how the banks get hit with penalties over and over again. I will tell you they laugh all the way to the bank. A penalty to them is just a slap on the wrist, and they go right about doing business as usual. This continues to happen. I know our Attorney General just recently signed the deal with the other AGs across the United States, and actually giving them immunity from prosecution for their wrongdoings on the robo-signing and all of that.

But also today as of yesterday they have lobbyists in Washington trying to stop civil actions against the banks. So everything that was agreed to by our Attorney General, their lobbyists are now trying to change all of that literally one week after it was signed by the judge. We, the banks have planned this all along. I can assure you, I've been in it 38 years. Their goal was to control the rates which they do through the Treasury with Geithner. They control the money through the Federal Reserve which they own and they want to control the land. That's the last piece of the puzzle that the banks want to capture.

We're headed for the biggest tsunami you've ever seen. It may not today

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed11:05 · ≈ 9:11 AM

affect all of you, but in time if we allow this to continue it will affect everybody here. In our County Recorder's Office we can stop what's happening at least in our little county here we can stop from these fortunate documents from being recorded and take back our land titles. Otherwise, we have no reason for a County Recorder's Office. If we can't assure that the titles in this land in our county are secure and done properly, we don't need the recorder's office. I'm sorry.

Right now in San Francisco, okay? They are getting a fee. They did come in and audit their county recorders. They're getting a moratorium on these foreclosures. Hawaii changed their state from a non-judicial to a judicial for governor again. There's a lot we can do. We're headed for the biggest land grab you've ever seen so that we can sit on our laurels or we can step up and take action to protect the citizens of this county. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed12:04 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Thank you. Thank you for being here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed12:07 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Dr. Jones, to be followed by Elsa Granados.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed12:29 · ≈ 9:12 AM

This housing issue is a very serious matter It affects the whole county. The Board of Supervisors will sit on their hands. I've had experience with this county and I know that to be true, and I hope that the persons making the issues today will continue to press this board. That is the only way you're going to make people understand what's going on. They feel it, they know it but you got to continue to press this board because they will sit on their hands Now, another issue seems to be looming which is exactly examples of the housing issue that's going on right now.

You see? And that is the Rick Caruso issue. See now when bamboozlers and I'm gonna discuss the anatomy of a scam it seems that there are enough people out there to put the pressure On Rick Caruso. And when that pressure comes down, they come up with a pittance of money to try to trap the people into feeling as if something's going to happen. As you know, when the scammers get caught, the scenario goes something like this.

We're gonna throw those suckers Just a little bit of money. That way we'll make them think we're going to do it, but we need that TOT. We want that millions of dollars of TOT and the people this county is not going to give that money up Carbajal. You're gonna see the people in this county will not give that money up to you and your bamboozler buddy Caruso. And that's gonna be the end of your career You get it?

Your career is over.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:35 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Dr. Jones, you're speaking to the full board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed14:38 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Pardon madam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:39 · ≈ 9:14 AM

I said you're speaking to the full board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed14:42 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Yes, I am. Now the hotelers in this county will not give up that TOT. I know that for a fact. Now, Supervisor, may I say his first name? Carbajal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed15:02 · ≈ 9:15 AM

You need to realize-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed15:03 · ≈ 9:15 AM

County Council.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed15:05 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Madam Chair, your observation was absolutely correct. He should address his comments to the board and not individual board members.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed15:14 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Okay board members, you know who I'm talking about. I don't want to involve all of you into this What we have here is a massive scam and I will quote a name Levy Levy look what's going on in the City Council and that building at the state and the ocean front Levy Carbajal and Rick Caruso Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed15:45 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Our next speaker is Elsa Granados to be followed by our final speaker, John Dome. Good morning.

CommentErika MartínProposedself-stated15:55 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Good morning, my name is Erika Martín del Campo and I'm the Community Education Coordinator at the Santa Barbara Rape Crisis Center. We just wanted to come and talk to you guys about Genes for Justice which is our campaign that we have taking place right now for Sexual Assault Awareness Month which is taking place in April. And Genes for Justice came about from Denim Day which we are celebrating on April 25th, it's Wednesday this year, and we're asking everyone to wear jeans in support of ending sexual assault And just taking a stand that no matter what you wear, it's never an invitation to either get raped or sexually assaulted. And Denim Day came about from an Italian Supreme Court case in 1999 where a rape conviction was overturned because the Chief Justice said that the girl was wearing jeans therefore it was impossible for her perpetrator to take them off meaning it was consensual sex rather than rape.

So we now wear jeans and every year just to really bring that to light to our community and show that we are in favor of ending sexual assault altogether as a community. And really, it never matters what you're wearing. It's never an invitation for anyone to be violated in such a way.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed17:01 · ≈ 9:17 AM

I want to thank you for the resolution that you all presented to us in light of Sexual Assault Awareness Month. And I also want to thank you for your leadership on this issue because people look at the issues that matter to you and then they follow, so other people in the community are looking at the issue of sexual assault because you do. So I want to thank you for that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed17:29 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Thank you and thank you for the work that you do for the people of Santa Barbara County. And I think that Supervisor Wolf wants to make a comment.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction17:37 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Thank you Madam Chair, just want to Thank you both for being here. As you rightly pointed out, Supervisor Carbajal and I have sponsored a honorary resolution but I do think it's important to point out the work that you folks are doing in bringing this issue to light to make sure that we acknowledge and we understand the whole issue of sexual violence And perpetrators and what we can do as a community. I also want to thank the DA's office and the sheriff who have advised their employees that it is acceptable to wear jeans on this day, and I believe Supervisor Carbajal and I after speaking to the CEO's office will be sending out an email to our employees that pending approval from their supervisors and department heads, that they too would be allowed to wear jeans as a symbolic reminder of exactly what you talked about.

So I want to thank you and the Rape Crisis Center for leading us in this awareness. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed18:43 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed18:45 · ≈ 9:18 AM

I too want to echo what Supervisor Wolf said. Thank you for your leadership on this very important issue And I think it's also important to recognize that violence is violence no matter how you portray it, and it's actually a public health issue. And until we start looking at it as a public health issue, We understand the totality of this serious issue in our community. So I want to thank you for your leadership and look forward to wearing jeans on the 25th. I better check my calendar, see what I have that day because I'm wearing jeans

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed19:17 · ≈ 9:19 AM

that day! And we have buttons for members of the audience or other staff members who are here present now. Thank you and have a nice day. Great, thank you again for being here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed19:35 · ≈ 9:19 AM

All right, Mr. Allen and our last speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed19:37 · ≈ 9:19 AM

Our final speaker is John Dohm.

PresenterJohn DohmCalifornia Wireless Association and I'm aProposedself-stated19:43 · ≈ 9:19 AM

Good morning. Good morning Chair Farr, members of the board my name is John Dohm. My day job I'm with Crown Castle. Crown owns and manages wireless infrastructure but I'm here today on behalf of the California Wireless Association and I'm actually president of that group Our association is a non-profit professional association. One of our primary purposes is to promote positive working relationships with the communities we serve and the governmental agencies that the wireless industry works with, but today I'm really here to recognize an offer A few words of appreciation. As you may know, last week, the second week of April of each year has been designated by Congress as the National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week. This event honors the thousands of men and women who answer emergency calls, dispatch emergency professionals and equipment, and provide information and reassurance to citizens in times of need.

The California Wireless Association would like to take this opportunity to recognize the pivotal role that telecommunicators, dispatchers, communications operators, radio control personnel all those people by whatever job title they go by who utilize telephones radios computers and

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PresenterJohn DohmCalifornia Wireless Association and I'm aProposedself-stated21:05 · ≈ 9:21 AM

technical skill to provide support to law enforcement fire services emergency medical services and other governmental field personnel. The work of these unforeseen, or unseen first responders is invaluable in emergency situations and each of these dedicated men and women deserves our heartfelt appreciation. Because emergencies as you know can strike at any time we rely on the vigilance and preparedness of these individuals 24 hours a day 365 days a year We in the wireless industry are extremely proud to have a key role in providing the wireless infrastructure and systems that make the dedication of these people effective.

As you may know, over 30% now of American homes have only a wireless device as their primary phone. And over 70% of emergency 911 calls come from wireless devices. Many in situations where a lack of coverage would mean these calls for help would go unanswered. The wireless industry has made major investments and infrastructure improvements to ensure not only that these calls go through and stay connected, But as importantly, that the dispatchers know exactly where the call is coming from thanks to enhanced locational data transmitted with the call itself.

The wireless industry looks forward to continuing to work with the County of Santa Barbara to improve the wireless infrastructure that serves the people in this community so they can make that call whenever they may need to. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed22:44 · ≈ 9:22 AM

Thank you for being here. Right, and that concludes public comment. So unless any members of the board want to take opportunity at this time to say something? Seeing not let's go on to our administrative agenda and I believe that we have at least two items that we need to pull one is a public speaker on A4 and then I think Supervisor Wolf you wanted to pull A16 for a separate vote so anything else that we need to pull from the A agenda All right.

Why don't we go ahead and hear from our speaker on A4?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:28 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Madam Chair, we have one request to speak on item A4. It's Dr. Robert Johns. This is a resolution sponsored by Supervisor Wolf. It is a resolution of accommodation celebrating the 64th anniversary of the founding of the State of Israel.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed23:59 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Well I would like to congratulate the State of Israel. They don't need my congratulations, I understand that. But I want to reassure everyone that our president, and he doesn't need my, you know. But our president stands behind the state of Israel 100%. Okay? So I want to make sure that... but another issue is always fantasized, I fantasize about it is is the Nazi hunter Wiesenthal.

I don't know whether I got that name correct or not. Anyway, Wiesenthal was a Nazi hunter and somehow or another I have fantasized myself as Carvajal fantasized himself As a lover, a person who just...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:02 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Dr. Johns, you need to stay on topic here and this is the resolution.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:07 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Well I'm just drawing a comparison between Carvajal and his fantasy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:12 · ≈ 9:25 AM

You need to stay on topic or you're going to be asked

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:14 · ≈ 9:25 AM

to sit down. You're looking a little grayish, Supervisor Carvajal. But anyway, I sort of fantasize myself as a Nazi hunter but not really a Nazi A racist hunter. You don't get that, do you? The two. And also when there's racism, there's always sexism. The two run together.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:45 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Dr. Johns, you need to sit down. You're off topic and you've been warned now three times. Well,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:49 · ≈ 9:25 AM

thank you. I'm just trying to make a comparison between the two. OK. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:59 · ≈ 9:25 AM

You need to sit down. Thank you. All right, so I will entertain a motion on all of the administrative agenda except for item A-16. Motion? Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. All right, now we will take up item A-16 specifically. Do you need to read that in the record then? Go ahead.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:30 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Madam Chair, Item A- 16 is a set hearing item from Planning and Development Department. It's an appeal filed by Jeff Nelson of the County Planning Commission's determination that draft mitigated negative declaration prepared for the Park Hills Estates Project is inadequate. The questions at this board set the hearing for your meeting on May 1st

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction26:51 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Okay, Supervisor Wolf Thank You madam chair just Wanted to I will need to recuse myself from this vote in any subsequent vote on this project due to The fact that this project is in close proximity to my home which In consultation with County Council is a would be a conflict of interest.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:17 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Thank you. All right, so I'll entertain a motion then on A16. Motion second all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries with one recusal Okay, so now we have finished the administrative agenda and we will just go ahead and go right into our first departmental agenda item. Mr. Allen would you read that into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed27:42 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Madam Chair members of the board Item number one is from the Public Works Department it's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding speed limits on various roads using in the 1st 3rd and 4th district. Good morning Mr. McLaughlin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed27:55 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Yes, good morning Madam Chair and board members I'd like to introduce our presenters this morning Eric Pearson our interim deputy director of transportation as this is his first presentation in front of your board and certainly Gary Smart our county traffic engineer

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:11 · ≈ 9:28 AM

Good morning, Mr. Pearson. Mr. Smart thank you for being here

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed28:14 · ≈ 9:28 AM

Good morning. Madam Chair and board members, as the clerk mentioned we are here for the speed limits board letter. The process to establish speed limits is summarized in this slide. This procedure is governed by state law and is the same for cities counties and state highways The first step required to set speed limits is an engineering and traffic survey on segments of roadways or speed zones.

It should be noted these surveys expire and require a re-survey every seven to ten years. To keep all the countywide speed zones current, we're typically here before your board twice a year on this matter. As engineering and traffic surveys expire, new surveys are completed for traffic and they're presented to the County Traffic Engineering Committee. For information, the Traffic Engineering Committee is comprised of CHP, County Sheriff, Caltrans, County Traffic Engineering, County Schools, the Metropolitan Transit District The Bicycle Coalition was recently added.

Triple A, a member from Triple A and Vandenberg Air Force Base. The recommendations from the Traffic Engineering Committee are then presented to your board for consideration as we are here today. County code is amended by ordinance to set speed zones so it's part of the consideration today an ordinance amendment is included After board action, we install signage and roadway markings and then provide documentation to CHP for enforcement.

At this time I'd like to turn it over to Gary Smart, our traffic engineer. He'll discuss in further detail the components of the Traffic Engineering Survey and to summarize the recommendations to your board. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed30:14 · ≈ 9:30 AM

Good morning Madam Chair, Board of Supervisors. The engineering traffic survey is required for all the speed zones we go out and measure the speed of traffic take a sample size about 100 vehicles record the conditions of the roadway if it's residential developed four lanes two lanes those facts We look at the volume of traffic, we collect the collision data and research that. And then we analyze that for the 85th percentile which is the critical speed and the speed that the speed limit is based on.

We also have the ability to lower speed limits due to Assembly Bill 2767 if there are conditions that would not be readily apparent to motorists The slide here shows our results of those speed zone surveys and the recommendations from the Traffic Engineering Committee. And I'm available to answer any comments or questions from the board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed31:10 · ≈ 9:31 AM

All right, thank you. Any comments or questions from the board on this particular matter? To do with speed limits. All right. Yes, Supervisor Carballo?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed31:25 · ≈ 9:31 AM

Thank you. I really appreciate your presentation. As usual we are reminded that we have very little recourse or flexibility in this issue if we are to continue to have thoroughfares where we can cite individuals who are over the speed limit. To do otherwise which is available to us Would not would preclude us from being able to cite people who go over the speed limit as we are informed by law enforcement officials. So our hands are really tied and I guess I just it's counterintuitive and I know two of the roads in my district, Lily Avenue and Toro Canyon Road.

I haven't heard from much of my constituents, but I know that they remain concerned. I remain concerned, but we know the state law really gives us very little recourse so I just want to point that out for my constituents who are going to see this and say well why are you raising it five miles an hour? Well five miles per hour it falls within the formula that is prescribed by the State of California based on the traffic assessments that are done out there.

I'm disappointed, not in you. I'm just disappointed in the lack of flexibility that we have for our constituents who see that raising the speed limit can provide for a more at least based on perception of lay people a much more dangerous circumstance but that's what the state law prescribes. That's what our engineers mainstream thinking is and I guess we have to abide by it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:04 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Thank you. Other comments or questions from the board? Do we have any public speakers for this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:10 · ≈ 9:33 AM

No request to speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:12 · ≈ 9:33 AM

All right, so this is a first reading of the ordinance and setting on the administrative agenda on May 1st the follow-up actions. So do we have a motion? So moved and a second all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries thank you very much I think we'll just take five minutes to allow staff to set up the next item.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed34:03 · ≈ 9:34 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed43:53 · ≈ 9:43 AM

Good morning again, everybody. We're going to take up our departmental agenda item number two. Mr. Allen would you read that into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed44:02 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Madam Chair and members of the board, Item 2 is some planning and development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations for the Lost Forest Ranch Project. This is a total of 1,784 acres located at 10045 Cayo Real in the Gaviota area in 3rd District.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed44:19 · ≈ 9:44 AM

All right, thank you. And how many public speakers do we have right now?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed44:23 · ≈ 9:44 AM

We have about 13 at present. I believe there's some additional speakers pulling out slips.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed44:30 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Okay, all right so how we're going to proceed with this item is we're going to have the staff presentation then we're going to have the project applicant represented by Ms. Petrovich speak then we will have public comment then we will have staff's response to those comments then we'll have the board deliberation And we need to be done no later than noon. So let's go ahead and get to it, but before we do that, we do need to do ex parte.

So let's start with you Supervisor Lavagnino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7745:05 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Thank you Madam Chair I have met with I had a meeting with Susan Petrovich Mr Van Leer Paul Van Lear was also at the meeting and then I joined Mr Van Lear on a site visit on his property.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed45:16 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Okay Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed45:18 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Thank you, Madam Chair. I've discussed this issue and met with Kevin Snow, Mike Lunsford, Bob Keats, Keylon Kelley, Caleb, Montecito Trails Foundation, Susan Petrovich, Paul Van Leer, and Mark Shutillo.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed45:37 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Wolf?

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction45:43 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Madam Chair, I met with Susan Petrovich, Paul Van Leer. I met with Mike Lunsford and unfortunately there were two other folks I believe with Mr. Lunsford and I cannot recall their names. If you'd like me to get those names, I can go back to my staff and get the names of those individuals.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed46:10 · ≈ 9:46 AM

No, I don't think that's necessary.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed46:12 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Thank you. And Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed46:14 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Gray? Paul Van Leer and Susan Petrovich came up to my office, and I met with them about two weeks ago. And I just went out and talked to Cheryl and Tyki Minetti, and we talked about that issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed46:28 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Okay, thank you. And I've had several meetings with Mike Lunsford, meeting with the Trails Group where Kevin Snow and Otis Califf was there, discussion with the EDC at one time and meeting with Ms. Petrovich and Mr. Van Laer, and also a site visit with Mr. Van Laer last week. Supervisor Wolf? Madam Chair,

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction46:52 · ≈ 9:46 AM

I should add Mark Sciatello to my list please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed46:55 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Yes, and I

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction46:55 · ≈ 9:46 AM

should do that as well. And I believe I discussed it with representatives from ETC as well. Okay, Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed47:04 · ≈ 9:47 AM

Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed47:05 · ≈ 9:47 AM

Yes, I neglected to include Otis Califf as well that I met with. Somehow I had his name wrong on my ex parte form here so just wanted to... He got a haircut so I didn't recognize him and then I did recognize him and said I think I met with him too.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction47:22 · ≈ 9:47 AM

Supervisor Wolf. Madam Chair, a little bit off topic. If we're required to do ex parte, if County Council could give us a heads up ahead of time on a particular item so we can have that list available, that would be helpful. Thank you. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed47:42 · ≈ 9:47 AM

All right. So let's go ahead and return to staff. Mr. Tuttle?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed47:49 · ≈ 9:47 AM

Yes. Good morning, madam chair and members of the board. I'm here today to present to you a brief overview of the Lost Forest Ranch project with a specific emphasis on public trails. At their last hearing on February 8th, the Planning Commission in considering public access issues associated with the project voted to send the project to your board for consideration of a specific technical question which is to determine whether the burden imposed by the project applications warrants exaction of coastal trails south of the highway.

As you will hear today, if your board determines that a trail exaction is warranted, the Planning Commission has recommended that you direct staff to prepare additional environmental review and return to the Planning Commission for full consideration of the project applications. If your board concludes an exaction is not warranted, the Planning Commission recommends that you refer the project back again to the Planning Commission for full recommendation of the projects to return to your board for further consideration.

To provide the proper context, here is the project vicinity map with a project site outlined in black. As you can see, the ranch is located in between the Naples Townsite and El Capitan State Beach. The property in total is approximately 1,800 acres. It extends from the ocean up to U.S. Forest Service lands approximately three miles inland from the coast. The site is zoned Ag 2100 within the coastal zone and unlimited agriculture under Ordinance 661 in the inland area.

The ranch is bisected by both the highway as well as the railroad. And while it's composed of several parcels, the ranch operates as a combined farming operation with grazing and approximately 200 acres of lemon and avocado groves. The project consists of the reconfiguration of nine parcels into seven parcels and it's composed of three separate applications.

Including a lot line adjustment and conditional certificate of compliance on the three coastal lots between the ocean and the railroad to create two lots of approximately 55 and 58 acres. The existing lot lines on this site plan are shown in yellow, the proposed lines are shown in red, and the area of import is highlighted in black. Additionally, in between the railroad and the highway there's a proposal for a tentative parcel map that would, for the two middle lots to create three lots of 100 acres, 147 acres and 157 acres.

And then north of the highway there's proposal for lot line adjustment and merger of the four inland lots to create two lots of 150 acres and then one large lot of 1115 acres. In addition, inland of the coastal zone, the project includes a consistency rezone to AGG 100 so that the entire ranch would have consistent zoning under Article 2 and LUDC. In addition to lot reconfigurations, the project includes the identification of development envelopes on each lot that would apply for future residential development.

The envelopes range in size from two and a half to five acres, although future residential development would be limited similar to the uniform rules to two contiguous acres within each envelope. For lot six which is the eleven hundred acre site due to its large size three potential building sites have been identified though once again future development would be limited to two acres within one of those building sites In addition, the project includes improved access roads to serve each residential envelope and a private shared water system to serve future development.

In addition to these project elements, the project proposes to offer three public trail easements including as shown in white, a lateral access along the Sandy Beach, a lateral access north of the highway to serve as a segment of the California Coastal Trail And third, a vertical beach access along the eastern portion of the site following Las Flores Creek.

This vertical trail easement would be disconnected from the coastal trail north of the highway although a 30-space parking lot would be provided by the applicant at the vertical beach access trailhead. Due to the presence of the railroad crossing through the site, this vertical access requires an access easement from Union Pacific Railroad through the existing railroad culvert. The construction of a raised concrete walkway in order to provide safe access to the culvert before the formal beach access can be established.

The applicant has further indicated, as shown with the arrow along the lateral trail north of the highway, that this trail requires a pedestrian bridge over the Goddard Creek undercrossing in order to avoid conflicts with the agricultural operation which uses this undercrossing on a regular basis. Key issues your board should consider in evaluating the question of coastal access include that the project increases the number of developable lots south of the highway from four to five, essentially shifting one developable lot from north of the highway to the south side of the highway.

Additionally there are no established public recreational facilities trails within the project site however there is existing unauthorized access to the ranch to Edwards Point that would be impacted by future development especially on the two coastal lots At the same time, the proposed public access easements would expand recreational opportunities in the area and the vertical trail easement would remove a significant barrier to establishing the only beach access in between Bacar Resort and El Capitan State Beach.

Other key issues to consider include the fact that the proposed coastal trail is located north of the highway again and is disconnected from the vertical beach access. However, the trail is designed on the north side to connect with another segment of the coastal trail further west between Las Faras and El Capitan State Beach potentially creating a nearly six-mile long continuous segment between Las Faras Ranch and Rufio.

As you'll hear today, a group of trails advocates have proposed an alternative coastal trail route that is closer to the shoreline and contend that a trail north of the highway as proposed by the applicant is inconsistent with local public access and state coastal trail policies. However, the applicant does not support the proposed alternative trail location.

If your board determines we do have the ability to exact a coastal trail closer to the shoreline, additional environmental analysis would be required to evaluate impacts of such trail especially as it relates to agricultural and biological resources. There's also the practical issue associated with the challenges of gaining access across the railroad in at least two locations in terms of the uncertainty of when or if we'd be able to obtain access authorization from the railroad.

Here's again the site map of the trails with the applicant proposed trails, again shown in white and the alternative trail locations shown in yellow. As you can see there is around Edwards Point and Gato Creek there are a few sub-alternatives within this trail alignment that Trails Coalition is considering. The orange dash line represents the railroad With this information, the information provided in your board letter, the recommendations again to your board are that you determine whether the burdens imposed by the project applications warrants exaction of a coastal trail located south of the highway which will affect, depending on your determination, that will affect the direction you give staff.

And additionally, that your board provide any other direction to staff and or the Planning Commission concerning this project. That concludes staff's presentation and we're here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed55:55 · ≈ 9:55 AM

Thank you, Mr. Tuttle. Any questions from the board at this particular time? Okay, we will go ahead and go to the applicant. Ms. Petrovich, you will have 10 minutes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, Madam Chair. Good morning. Oh sorry technical difficulties here My name is Susan Petrovich with the law firm of Brownstein High at Farber-Schreck. I'm here representing the applicant.

I will move through this presentation quickly because we've submitted so much in writing. This is the ranch entrance off the view from Highway 101, just east is the proposed trailhead and parking area. I wanted you to have a quick view of what the ranch looks like. Here's the grazing land Here are the orchards through which the main ranch road passes. This ranch road would be impacted by the proposed EDC trail, and parts of the orchard would have to be removed for the trail. This is pristine native habitat in Gato Canyon. Here's some more pristine habitat in the ranch.

Tim Doheny combined two historic ranches into one agricultural operation to increase long-term viability. He planted additional orchards, he purchased a very expensive Goleta Water District 2-inch irrigation meter and he planned the ranch as one unit for as long as he could. This plan accomplishes his goal while passing a valuable asset to his children. If you accept Mr. Chatillo's argument that a family's reason for choosing a particular long-term plan for their ranch requires environmental review, you would be making new law. A property owner's motivation is not an environmental issue. Tim Doheny wanted to do the right thing for this ranch and for his family. He knew about the existing parcels. He particularly wanted to preserve Gato Canyon as one parcel with no building site down in this wild area.

He also wanted to do the right thing by leaving trails for public use, provided they wouldn't interfere with the ag operation. By the way, did you all get our handouts? Do you have handouts of them? Oh good I just want to make, I mean the slideshow. Oh good thanks. The it's important to keep in mind that these are three separate projects not one The railroad and the highway are fee ownerships that divide these projects. That's important when we discuss the trail nexus issue. We dispute this statement by staff that there are only two buildable parcels south of the railroad. There is no evidence in the record to support that statement, and we disagree.

The house on the third existing parcel, the most easterly one way may only be a cottage but as you know any oceanfront parcel with a house no matter how small is a valuable asset. All of the additional trails proposed occupy pasture land that is essential to the economies of the grazing operation. The grazing on this ranch is particularly efficient because of the miles of fencing for the pastures that allow rotational grazing. You take away any appreciable acreage and you lose flexibility or you have to reduce your herd, you could also start supplemental feeding but that means a less successful and less economic operation As it is today, it is economic but like all grazing by a slim margin. The additional trails also violate several Coastal Act policies two of which we've quoted here.

What follows is a series of slides showing all of the various trail alternatives that have been presented by the Trails Coalition, just to give you an idea of how they have been moving the ball all over the field. And more importantly these slides demonstrate how many acres will be taken out of production as a result of the trail proposal. Lost productive acreage is shown in red. So this first one is 57.21 acres of pasture lost.

This next one Is thirty one point nine three acres of lost pasture. This one is a thirty seven point zero eight lost pasture. I'm sorry this isn't the thirty seven point oh eight this is the. This is the 3708 and then this slide, which is the second recent alternative is 52.66 acres of lost pasture. These aren't exaggerations these were created these maps are all created by a surveyor based upon a trail route 10 feet wide And the ranch manager's identification of which pasture areas he no longer could use because of the need to separate the cow-calf operation from the public and their dogs. Along the coastal bluff, we used a wider corridor because the bluff retreats at a rate of about six inches per year and we assumed 100-year trail life.

This is the trout wine proposal from EDC. It follows the main ranch road right through the center of the ranch It understates the actual lost pasture because no one would build a fence along that weird configuration at the west end because it would be too costly. So you pick a point and run the fence north for shorter fence, but even understating the acreage this loses 21.12 acres part of which is producing orchard land And that doesn't even speak to the disruption of putting a public trail through the middle of your ranch operation. The last slide points out the folly of all those other proposals, because at the far west end they terminate right at the railroad. As if the public magically is going to be able to cross the railroad and the ravine, and the sensitive habitat, and Las Yagas Creek from the endpoint.

It's more realistic to admit that the trail would have to go north and then west along the highway toward the Caltrans. This would lose 67.42 acres of pasture. Our proposal for trails incidentally affects one acre of agricultural land. As we pointed out in our letter, there are many reasons why placing public trails in such a quiet rural setting adjacent to calving pastures will adversely affect the cattle operation. The loss of one calf a year from death or severe injury, the loss of weight from interrupting a grazing cow and causing her stress all impair productive agriculture. This is a cow who was protecting her calf from our photographer who incidentally was standing still and using a zoom lens Nonetheless, she was distressed.

We went into more detail in our letter so I will just touch on the highlights of the legal issue. The additional trails all put the greatest burden upon the land south of the railroad but that project has no impact upon existing recreational trails or trail demand. These are three existing buildable parcels. The project reduces them to two. That eliminated parcels being moved north of the railroad. The permissive entry occurring at the west end could be terminated at any time. There's absolutely no nexus between this lot merger and lot line adjustment, and the exaction of a trail that runs right through the property between the development envelopes and the ocean.

And incidentally, the EIR concluded that the original location for the Parcel 2 building envelope on this property would have a Class I unmitigable impact on biological impacts. Yet this trail is proposed to run right through the middle of those same biological resources. Initially, the trails folks contended that it was okay to have two or three public at-grade railroad crossings. They now contend that building bridges over the railroad isn't a problem. But consider these facts.

The deck has to be a minimum of 25 feet from the tracks with a protective cage above that. Now imagine that in a scenic rural area and you have an area that we agreed to 15 foot height limit for the houses so you wouldn't have view issues from 101 And now look at what this bridge is going to look like. Here's another one. These are samples of actual bridges for pedestrians only, and this doesn't even include the ramps that the public would need to get up there. So you can imagine, this is another Class I impact, only it's a visual impact.

The first question you have to ask in justifying an exaction is whether it mitigates a project impact. These additional trails do not. The latest red herring, excuse me just a second. As I say, the first question you have to ask in justifying an exaction is whether it mitigates project impact. These trails do not. The latest red herring is the claim that a handful of territorial surfers who use the railroad tracks to enter the ranch to go to Edwards Point constitute the general public and as you can see from letters from Dennis and Brandon Doheny these guys are their friends They aren't the general public and we cited to you the case of County of Orange versus Chandler Sherman Corporation that said very specifically that where you have groups rarely more than 15, and it doesn't have to be the same 15 people every time.

That does not constitute a public recreational area. The California Trails Act also doesn't justify the exaction. The trail only need follow the coastline, which two of these offered trails do. In our letter we gave many more examples of the coastal trail being inland in some cases a mile or more inland. The Coastal Trails Act says the trail shall respect property rights proximity to residential areas and protection of private property owners privacy.

These are existing lots with an existing right to have houses Earlier I cited the Coastal Act provisions. Here, I cite the local coastal plan. Excuse me a minute. I'm sorry. Losing my voice. As I said earlier, the project that is most impacted is south of the railroad. The only project that adds parcels is in the interior between the railroad and the highway. And I will give you one more minute.

Thank you. So I just want to conclude by saying that the Nolan and Dolan cases both require not only an essential nexus between the exaction A nexus between these additional trails and the impacts of the project, but you also have to use the rough proportionality test. You have to be able to find that there is even if there is a nexus that there is a proportional impact of the project.

That is comparable to the impacts of that project on recreational impacts and by imposing the trail that is proposed These trails advocates, regardless of which route you use, you are impacting the area south of the railroad most heavily. And more important, you are putting the public at risk of losing three very important trails that the applicant is offering because Mrs. Doheny will not pay for additional environmental review And she will not accept these trails and I just want to make that very clear.

We will either, she will either withdraw the project or we will have to seek a writ. Thank you. Supervisor Wolf?

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GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction1:08:21 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Thank you, Miss Petrovich. I have a couple of follow-up questions regarding a couple of the things that you said at the beginning of your statement. You mentioned that Mr. Johini purchased water meters from the Goleta Water District and On a couple of occasions you talked about the number of parcels that would be on the site. In looking at the letter that's in the file from the Public Health Department, there is mention that there will have to be a private water system developed to serve the project and furthermore This letter says that while there are seven lots proposed, that there are future secondary dwellings with a potential of 14 domestic connections.

So when I read that it appears as if there would be the potential of 14 dwellings rather than these seven.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:09:24 · ≈ 10:09 AM

That assumes that every single parcel would be able to justify a farm worker dwelling and since most of these parcels would be dedicated to grazing, that'd be very difficult to do. So you couldn't have a second dwelling without being able to demonstrate the need for it.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction1:09:42 · ≈ 10:09 AM

And if you could just address the water issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:09:44 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Yes, the Goleta Water District meters are only irrigation meters because the Goleta West conduit doesn't meet current Clean Water Act requirements for drinking water The existing residents are served bottled water for their domestic needs. Not only does Mr. Van Leer live on the property and Mrs. Doheny, of course, but they're also ranch hands who live on the property.

And so they're entitled to continue to get that service. Any new residences have to be on this domestic system and there's already I'm sorry. There's already a well that has been drilled and tested for this domestic system, and it passes all the clean water requirements. But there is no intent to activate that system or in fact we don't even want to have to build it, the domestic system because there are no immediate plans to build anything new.

The ranch will stay as it is as far as the Dohenys are concerned. Thank you. Thank you Madam Chair. And Miss Petrovich, as long as Supervisor Wolf has started this line of questioning. By my count which certainly may not be accurate there are seven existing residences that I think perhaps are occupied on the ranch Two above the freeway and five below the freeway. A number of them were mentioned in the historic resources report, as you said all of these I am assuming are being served with drinking water by Goleta Water through bottled water delivery because there is no drinking water on the property now. Is that correct? Yes, I don't know if your number is correct. There certainly are quite a few employee houses there but yes they all are being served With bottled water.

And are they going to be then served by the private water company? By the new domestic system, that's not the current proposal no. And why not? Because with that system won't even be built until the first of these building out these residential envelopes is built on and that could be 20 years from now as I say we don't want to build the system the domestic water system, we were asking the Planning Commission to give us as long a conditional use permit as possible because no one wants to build a system that you later then have to junk because it's not in use. You have to keep maintaining it. But once it is built whenever that is... I'm sorry? Once it is built whenever that is would these houses then become a part of that system? We haven't even thought that far ahead.

There's we don't even know what the plans, what the situation would be. We just haven't even proposed what would happen in that regard. Um, we had to meet public health departments requirements. So we provided them what they needed for their requirements for this lot line adjustment. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions of Ms. Petrovich at this time? No, thank you very much.

All right Mr. Allen how many public speaker slips do we have now?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:12:52 · ≈ 10:12 AM

We have 16 requests to speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:12:55 · ≈ 10:12 AM

All right let's go ahead and start then.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:12:59 · ≈ 10:12 AM

We're going to start in Santa Maria with Andy Caldwell then we're going to come back to Santa Barbara for Paul Van Leer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:13:07 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Good morning Mr. Caldwell.

PresenterAndy CaldwellCOLAP In the 20 plus years that I've been monitoring governmentProposedself-stated1:13:10 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Madam Chair members of the board I'm Andy Caldwell representing COLAP In the 20 plus years that I've been monitoring government, I've never seen a more generous offer from a landowner who was literally simply changing lines on a map. There's no proposal to build houses or a hotel or a golf course. It's a simple lot line adjustment and the fact that you would get Beach parking lot and beach access on private land in an area where there is no peach access or public access.

The fact that you would get trail easements, um, is remarkable to us. And the fact that this land of a major project here is to preserve agriculture on the coast where there's very little agriculture especially this close to the coast There's a lot of people out there that, you know, talk about greedy developers. Well this is a generous landowner and I think the people that are being greedy here are the ones that want a whole lot for nothing.

There's nothing that says that the trails that the public so covets, and I use that word on purpose, the trails they covet Have to be on the most valuable piece of real estate when there is no nexus to these people giving up that piece of real estate, giving up their privacy and giving up the viability of their ag operations in exchange for what? So that they can reduce the number of lots.

You talk about proportionality, the demands being placed on this property or by the environmental community are disproportional to what the owners are asking for. I think that the region lost a valuable gift with what the Schultes and even Naples had proposed Don't blow it again, because you're going to end up with nothing. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:36 · ≈ 10:15 AM

Thank you, Mr. Koval.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:15:37 · ≈ 10:15 AM

Paul Van Leer to be followed by Mr. Taikunaneti.

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CommentPaul Van LeerProposedself-stated1:15:43 · ≈ 10:15 AM

Good morning. Morning Madam Chair, fellow Supervisor. My name is Paul Van Leer and I'm the manager of the Las Farras Edwards Ranches. I've lived and worked on ranches all my life. I haven't been a manager for over 25 years, so let's not lose track of what's on the ground. What's on the ground is what we need to pay attention to where they're proposing to put their trail there is numerous native habitats Red-legged frog, there's native grasses. There's erosive soils.

It goes on and on. You cannot ignore what's on the ground. I mean it is one thing to want to trail one location. It's another thing to try to avoid what's already there. There's been numerous people that have taken out their And show them the trail and they're intelligent people. They can see what's on the ground. I don't really don't think they can say that what's not there can be avoided. I don't believe that's possible.

Let me speak to Not only that, let's talk about the cost. If we were to be realistic, there are numerous bridges that have to be rebuilt across every road and creek. Numerous bridges across road tracks. I don't know how you get to the Caltrans side. It just goes on and on and on. Let me speak to the ag issue as far as what I've heard. I was blessed to learn that the cattle business from one of the best in the area, he's sitting right back there, Tyke Maynard and his father Clarence who has recently passed.

To say that I don't have any experience or what we're saying is untrue believe me, I'll refer back to my letter on the 12th those are real issues and they need to be addressed and they're unacceptable I don't see how where they would like to propose a trail will not interfere with our ag operation, our cattle operation. So please take the gift we are offering and don't try to exact any other trails. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:17:48 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Thank You

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:17:48 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Mr. Van Lier.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:18:09 · ≈ 10:18 AM

Good morning Madam Chair, fellow Supervisors. Thank you for hearing me out. I come from the North County up in the Guadalupe area next to Point Sal. We have been in the cattle and ranching industry for myself 60 years because I started when I was little. I think the people in this area are very lucky to have somebody like Mr. Dehini Proposed to donate a nice share of his pristine property that he's taken good care of and wants to keep it in ag. He's not trying to build a big motel or anything there, which he could have long time ago but I think that needs to be taken into consideration.

Cattle and people Without fences, do not mix. Along with people come dogs. My first-hand deal is what's going on at Point Sal right now and it's kind of ugly. I've never seen a cow throw paper bags or water bottles or whatever along these trails but people have the knack of doing it. If there is gonna be a trail, I think it should be fenced to keep them within a corridor otherwise they just you can have the nicest signs which has happened in the north area where I come from and they just don't adhere to it.

The other thing is with what's going on in our society now, I don't know what some people think about agriculture but vandalism and terrorism. You're probably aware of what happened at the Harris Ranch here not too long ago. They burned up 15 cattle trucks because they were related to the cattle industry. There are people in this society that Don't like people producing meat, killing beef for our food. So if you turn the public loose with a trail that's proposed in the middle of that place, you have the fear of dogs chasing off a cow that has just calved and then a lot of times especially a heifer they won't reclaim them.

They get so excited and they don't come back. So that's not a good thing. Like I said, if what Paul showed me to make a trail to the beach and fence it to keep them within that corridor. And I thought that was very generous of him and then the one above the road too because if people get up there, the cattle would probably be closer and dogs and I know people like to take their dogs out and you know, it's not the poor dog's fault he sees something moving and they like to chase them especially a little calf I watched it right out the window of my house there at Poncelle.

And so, I don't know, I think that it would be the supervisor's duty to maybe honor Mr. Dehaney's wishes to keep it in Oregon and he donated you an easement and I thought that was very generous of him.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:21:22 · ≈ 10:21 AM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:21:23 · ≈ 10:21 AM

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:21:23 · ≈ 10:21 AM

you, Mr. Minetti. Thank you for being here. Russell McLaughlin to be followed by Brett DeCampo.

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PresenterRussell McLaughlinlaw firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber-SchreckProposedself-stated1:21:53 · ≈ 10:21 AM

Thank you. Good morning, Madam Chair and members of the board. My name is Russell McLaughlin with the law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber-Schreck. I'm appearing this morning on behalf of the Briarcliff Trust which owns property immediately to the west of the Lost Forest Ranch and we're appearing in opposition to the proposed south highway trail alignment. I'm going to speak to you this morning very quickly about the area that is in the northwest corner of that map, adjacent to my client's property. And my client's property is this area right here and their residence is right there.

We were opposed to the proposed south side trail alignment for various reasons. One it would compromise our client, my clients property and encourage trespassing. Happens to be a well-known celebrity and has had significant intrusions from paparazzis and the members of the public before. We are very concerned that this would make that situation egregiously worse.

The trail alignment would also threaten sensitive biological habitat, it would pass through and threaten a significant Chumash archaeological site. And by the way I'm going to skip over one slide on that as requested by the Chumash I understand this morning. It would also have public safety risks, which I'll explain briefly. And it would be extremely difficult to construct as you've heard and delay its opening to the public. This is a view from the trail where the red dot is on the map to the right of my client's property. We have smudged out the property itself. It's very modest beach bungalow but we've deleted it out for privacy concerns.

Here's another view from the red dot just further up the trail. Same concern looks into the bedroom area The sun deck in front, the very private areas of the residence. If you do make it across the railroads and the trail ends there as you see without a connection back to roads or other trail alignments if it's going to pass to the northwest it's going to come into this sensitive habitat that you see here.

If it's going to go further to the east it has the same sensitive habitat with native grasses, native honeysuckle There's potential red-legged frog habitat throughout this. And if it's going to pass next to Las Yagas Creek, you have the habitat issues but you also have the potential for trespassing into our client's property, my client's property, the Briarcliff property on the south side of the railroad culvert which is also a public safety and a habitat concern.

Passing through that one and public safety there's railroads, cliffs I know my time is limited. This staging area is used on a regular basis. But if you were there, there's no merge lane onto the freeway and then from there to get back to El Capitan Ranch Road in the trail system, you'd have very difficult public safety. And I know I'm out of time. I've got one last point which is that my client unfortunately has a problem with people mistakenly approaching the gate thinking it's a public access point. That access is very dangerous for the blind curve in the railroad It's resulted in one accident recently. This was pictures taken within the last couple of years of accident and decades before fatality, so we encourage you not to do that because it would bring more attention.

Thank you so much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25:26 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Yes, Supervisor Gray?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:27 · ≈ 10:25 AM

I'm trying to follow. You're going so fast.

PresenterRussell McLaughlinlaw firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber-SchreckProposedself-stated1:25:30 · ≈ 10:25 AM

I've got a lot to cover in three minutes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:32 · ≈ 10:25 AM

What Caltrans staging area, no merge lane, what's the deal on that? That was slide what?

PresenterRussell McLaughlinlaw firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber-SchreckProposedself-stated1:25:38 · ≈ 10:25 AM

If I could go back to this slide...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:25:40 · ≈ 10:25 AM

It's about four slides back on it.

PresenterRussell McLaughlinlaw firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber-SchreckProposedself-stated1:25:43 · ≈ 10:25 AM

So if you come right here, you can see where the red dot is. The question is from this end of the trail that's proposed where it empties out into that depression, if it's proposed to go up into the Caltrans staging area Then you have public access to a staging area. The Caltrans uses that for all of their gravel, what they remove from the highways and what they're staging to redo. It's a very active staging lot that they use on a regular basis. In fact, a few months ago this was...

Yeah I drive up and down. You know where it looks like. So, and all along the outskirt of that is a steep cliff that they've tried to use erosion control so that their staging material doesn't fall off. If you go to the next slide this is what it would look like if you're trying to get a trail through that access. Otherwise, and I'll just, you have to go in.

this location back here right into the thicket of native oaks, honeysuckle, red-legged frog habitat. Or you'd have to come back west and still don't know how you're going to get out from there without going up onto the Caltrans staging area. Does that answer your question Supervisor Gray?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:26:52 · ≈ 10:26 AM

It straightened me out I was struggling with...

PresenterRussell McLaughlinlaw firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber-SchreckProposedself-stated1:26:54 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Yeah I'm sorry it's a lot of slides but I think a picture speaks a thousand words.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:26:59 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Thank you so much thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:27:01 · ≈ 10:27 AM

you very good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:27:01 · ≈ 10:27 AM

thank you Brett DeCampos to be followed by Rosemary Thompson.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:27:11 · ≈ 10:27 AM

Good morning.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:27:12 · ≈ 10:27 AM

My

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:27:12 · ≈ 10:27 AM

name is Brett DeCampos, I'm head of security for the Briarcliff property which is immediately to the west of Las Vargas Ranch. As previously noted this property is owned by a celebrity that attracts extreme amounts of attention. Based on my experiences and that of the landowner we immediately realized that the disastrous effect that this proposed alignment would have on privacy with that property We've had numerous experiences in the past intercepting property, paparazzi and trespassers.

Despite these incursions we're still able to maintain privacy because We have that southeastern section of Las Vargas in private hands, and that's an elevated area looking down over through the windows and onto the sun decks. Other aspects of that property we're aware that people can be there but we have a safe zone. This proposed alignment would do away with that entirely and put it in a public area which allows for paparazzi to take photos and sell them.

If the trail is located as proposed, we won't be able to maintain that privacy anymore and the principal reason for buying that property will be lost. I also anticipate based on my experience the trail users would trespass from the trail to seek to get onto the property and get pictures of the occupants or just see the property in general which happens quite often.

Invasion of privacy, safety and disturbance of pristine areas are all concerns. These intrusions will also add significantly to our workload as far as security is concerned with a number of incidents and arrests that will have to be made. It also should be noted that my client has young children. Inconspicuous photography of these children is particularly egregious and unacceptable As far as public safety goes, we have a major issue out there with the railroad. This one causes me considerable angst.

There are many cliffs in the area and that blind curve is the worst of it. I'm confident that if the trail comes within the vicinity of the Las Yagas Creek area that the railroad tracks, if people trespass on them, in order to seek or view the briar cliff property they're susceptible to being hit Second, we have a significant problem with the mistaken approach to the property.

In fact, two train of accidents have already happened there. I witnessed the last of them in the four years that I've been on this property. We've also had dozens of incidents where I have had to sprint to assist vehicles that are trapped in our entry in order to get them out of their placement of trailhead adjacent or gate will likely exacerbate this problem.

Any questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:03 · ≈ 10:30 AM

I guess not, but thank you very much for being here and for your testimony.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:30:08 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Rosemary Thompson to be followed by Otis Califf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:16 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Good morning Miss Thompson.

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction1:30:18 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Good morning Madam Chair and Commissioners, Supervisors. May I have the three maps, the cardinal entrics ones please? This shows the trail areas that we have walked along as part of this project. We did site visits on the 26th of January, 5th of February and the 7th and 10th of April either myself or our botanist Tamara Kluge. And the route keeps changing so not all parts have been

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:30:56 · ≈ 10:30 AM

I'm sorry, who are you representing? Are you working with

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction1:31:00 · ≈ 10:31 AM

the... I am representing the applicant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:31:02 · ≈ 10:31 AM

Applicant, okay thank

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction1:31:03 · ≈ 10:31 AM

you. This doesn't seem to make it move. Anyway we have, you can just go up to the next one and then I'm done with them. So not all parts were walked and that's noted here. This last part, the western part hasn't really all been walked. The trail would traverse native grasslands in many areas and impacts of construction and maintenance may exceed the county thresholds for significance.

The Gato Creek supports special status species such as the California red-legged frog and controlling human access to the creek habitat At any of the proposed trail crossing locations will be difficult at best. Other special status species of plants and animals could be present along the trail route, but no surveys have been conducted to determine presence or absence.

Several areas of minor to severe erosion would need to be stabilized along the proposed trail alignment. Native vegetation removed during such stabilization would need to be re-established and monitored until success criteria are met. Adequately funding Regular maintenance by professionals, not volunteers over the life of the trail will be needed to control and repair erosion resulting from trail use.

Fencing to keep trail users and their pets from disturbing the cattle ranching operation and out-of-sensitivity riparian habitat would be a barrier to east-west wildlife movement particularly where the trail parallels Gato Creek and the unnamed drainage to the west which was the D4 in the EIR. As a comparison, the proposed development envelope for Lot 2 Um, which had no long fences parallel to the creek was found to have significant impacts to wildlife movement by the county EIR. Thus trail fencing along the creek would have greater impacts on wildlife movement.

The eucalyptus grove at the eastern unnamed drainage D1 in the IR is a permanent overwintering site for monarch butterflies, and a bridge crossing could result in removal of several trees that could affect wind currents and thereby suitability of the habitat for butterfly roosting. Soil disturbances from trail construction and use increases the potential for spread of invasive plant species already present on the ranch. In addition these and other invasive species can be introduced or spread by trail users via their footwear bikes and dogs or horses

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:31 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Okay, your time is up. I will give you 30 more seconds because I know you had some difficulty.

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction1:33:36 · ≈ 10:33 AM

One more paragraph here. The trail westward from Las Flores Ranch would have a bridge to cross Los Yagas Creek which contains suitable habitat for sensitive aquatic species such as the California red-legged frog and southwestern pond turtle. The trail on both sides of the creek would traverse coastal scrub containing Santa Barbara honeysuckle, a CNPS1B Rare, threatened or endangered in California and elsewhere plant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:58 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Thank you ma'am. As

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction1:34:00 · ≈ 10:34 AM

well as dense poison oak. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:34:04 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Supervisor Wolf

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction1:34:05 · ≈ 10:34 AM

and Supervisor Gray. Yes, this is a question to staff if we could just keep that map up. And I'd like to go back a little bit to what Supervisor Gray had asked about the Caltrans site. Could you just point that out on this map? And also point out the private residence that the prior speaker had just talked to.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:34:33 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Madam Chair, Supervisor Wolf, the Caltrans staging area is in this location shown with the arrow, the cursor. And then the private residence that the prior speaker spoke to is in this location along the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:34:47 · ≈ 10:34 AM

beach. I'm sorry, Supervisor Wolf, but Caltrans staging area's outside this project boundary?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:34:55 · ≈ 10:34 AM

That's correct.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction1:34:58 · ≈ 10:34 AM

You know, there's a lot of different trail proposals. But the one here in red that seems like how far is that vertical line from the home? And it looks like there's ash that's in between.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:35:19 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Madam Chair, according to the scale on this image, it looks to be approximately 600 feet give or take.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:35:28 · ≈ 10:35 AM

OK.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:35:30 · ≈ 10:35 AM

All right, thank you. Supervisor Gray?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:35:33 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Thank you. I don't know if staff can answer this. I was trying to follow the speaker and she was talking about a butterfly place and a place for turtles and frogs. And I don' t see it on this map and I wasn't able to find it on what I have. Do you folks have a map of that so I could see where that is located also?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:35:53 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Madam Chair, Supervisor Gray, there are two monarch sites. One is this eucalyptus grove right here shown with the cursor. And then this eucalyptus grove in this location is also identified as a monarch site. So the trail would cross through that eucalyptus grove, would likely require some type of pedestrian bridge to span the drainage probably approximately 30 feet in length give or take.

And then as far as the other habitat, Gato Creek In this location here at the mouth has breeding habitat for California red-legged frog and other sensitive aquatic species.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:36:50 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:36:53 · ≈ 10:36 AM

All right, if there aren't any more questions at this time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:36:58 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Our next speaker is Otis Califf to be followed by Katherine Epperson

PresenterOtis CaliffSanta Barbara County Trails CouncilProposedself-stated1:37:06 · ≈ 10:37 AM

Good morning. My name is Otis Califf, I'm president of the Santa Barbara County Trails Council. I'm representing a group of 14 civic organizations here. We all feel that the coastal trail should be close to the ocean, bluff top, near shoreline within the sights and sounds of the ocean Among those groups are the Santa Barbara County Action Network, Backcountry Horsemen, Sierra Club, your Orchid Counties, your new Orchids Trails Commission, CRATAC, This, our plan, our idea of a coast near shoreline conforms with the county coastal plan. So what the County Coast, I mean the State Coastal Commission wants.

Everybody seems to want near shoreline except planning and development. The California Coastal Trail can be built along the ocean bluffs or near the ocean. We've established that pretty well. There are bridges, railroad crossing, agricultural problems and so forth and all these solutions can be found actively taken care of in the county today. Will there be impacts with a coastal trail? Of course there are impacts. But we think that they can be mitigated. But what, what we're facing here is a major land use change.

These building envelopes are huge. They're going to be mansions plus outbuildings workers housing and so forth. And to compare the minimal impact of a trail compared to those this land use change is laughable. Is there proportionality? Is there a nexus? We feel there is. But right now, how do we know? The EIR is completely inadequate to address this issue. It's unfortunate that we're meeting here about this today. This whole discussion is premature because you do not have the information that you need to make this kind of a decision and so What you really have to do is return this issue to the Planning Commission, recirculate the EIR. And then maybe you can come back and have a reasonable worst-case analysis of the situation.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:39:46 · ≈ 10:39 AM

Thank you. Our next speaker is Katherine Epperson, to be followed by Mike Lunsford.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:39:53 · ≈ 10:39 AM

Yeah, Supervisor Carbajal has a question. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:39:55 · ≈ 10:39 AM

you. You know oftentimes when there's projects that cross a certain discipline there's some interface with those commissions or those advisory bodies such as the Ag Advisory Commission or Advisory Committee. We do have a County Hiking and Trails Committee known as CRATAC. Was there ever any informal interaction with that group? Regarding the trails issue, the...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:40:31 · ≈ 10:40 AM

Madam Chair, Supervisor Carbajal. The CRATAC did comment on the draft EIR and that was incorporated and responded to through that process. They also participated in a meeting we had late last fall with a number of the trails groups So there have been some opportunity for communication with them. The project was never formally brought to their commission on one of their regular scheduled hearings or meetings. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:41:06 · ≈ 10:41 AM

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CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated1:41:06 · ≈ 10:41 AM

ahead. Good morning, my name is Catherine Epperson My family has been farming in Santa Barbara County and Santa Barbara itself actually for over a hundred years and I'm here Currently we own property in Las Varas Canyon We have about 700 acres with Dos Pueblos Ranch on our right depending on where you're looking of course on the east and And what I'm here to do today is to support the last forest ranch proposal and application and request that the board reject further extraction of trails.

South of 101. The trails currently included in the project satisfy the Gaviota Coast Trails Initiative, as I understand it, while they allow the Loess Forest Ranch to continue to be a successful agricultural operation. To that point, I would like you to think as you're driving on 101 from Santa Barbara to Gaviota Take a look at the current condition of the Dos Pueblos Ranch and the current condition as opposed to on the Los Farras Ranch, and you can see a significant difference between Successful operations on Las Farras and the not quite recently successful operations on Dos Pueblos. So, Las Farras Ranch has been very successful over the years and while the proposal...

The project proposal follows all of the county rules as I understand it and while there's no law requiring landowners to provide trails This project proactively offered coastal access as well as connectivity to the lateral trail from Dos Pueblos across the old highway to the El Capitan Ranch and of the existing trail. As a farmer in Santa Barbara County, I don't understand why a supposed pro-farming citizenry and government work so hard to put obstacles in the way of farming.

Please support farming and our mutual desire to retain the Gaviota Coast beauty by approving the project's trails and allowing the proposal to proceed. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:15 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Thank you, Ms. Epperson. Before you leave the podium I just want to be clear your property is north of the freeway between Las Faras and Dos Pueblos?

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated1:43:24 · ≈ 10:43 AM

That is correct and in fact the proposed trail as I understand it the Las Faras proposal is following north of 101 on what used to be the old highway and if that were to extend to Dos Pueblos it would actually go right in front of our property

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:43 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Okay. But that's still public roadway there?

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated1:43:45 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:46 · ≈ 10:43 AM

yes. So that doesn't infringe on your private property?

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated1:43:48 · ≈ 10:43 AM

No. Other than the hikers and bikers, et cetera perhaps getting into our orchards which are like right there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:56 · ≈ 10:43 AM

And you have avocado

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated1:43:57 · ≈ 10:43 AM

and citrus as well? Yes. Full avocado orchards and up the canyon a sand quarry and all kinds of other things that could be hazardous if the wrong people got into the wrong spots but yes. The connectivity there would follow what we call the frontage road but would be the old highway.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:44:13 · ≈ 10:44 AM

Okay. Thank you very much.

CommentCatherine Epperson MyProposedself-stated1:44:14 · ≈ 10:44 AM

You're welcome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:44:20 · ≈ 10:44 AM

Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the Board. Mike Lunsford for the Gaviota Coast Conservancy. The desire to preserve what remains of our coast has been demonstrated by a long history of dedicated citizen involvement and monetary gifts to save places like El Capitan, Lake Harrow, and Selma Rubin. By the examples of the Carpentry of Bluffs, Douglas Family Preserve, Moor Mesa, Spurling Reserve at Ellwood, the Arco property, Naples, and now the Las Barras Ranch.

As we wait for opportunities for our land trust partners to acquire land or easements from willing sellers, and as we struggle through the long planning process to update protective policies for the Gaviota Coast, its future is being decided one project at a time. This is where our conservation of the Gaviota Coast is worked out, right here in this room. With careful decisions one project at a time.

The Las Flores Ranch applicant asked for the community's approval for changes which will create enormous new value in this working ranch. Value that can only be realized by breaking up the ranch and selling it off piece-by-piece The thing that disturbs me the most about this project is the potential opportunity costs, the lost opportunities to get the right balance of public and private interests. Will we be smart enough and courageous enough to find the right solutions?

Or will we allow the coast we love to slip through our fingers? Will we take the easy road to let the future be decided by the market like so much of the rest of the coast? This project is not what it seems. In addition to the uncertainty concerning the project objectives, the mischaracterization of this project as preserving the character and viability of the agriculture on this ranch is belied by the intention to break up this ranch into separate saleable parcels each with its own building envelope and supporting infrastructure.

This is ranches-to-ranchettes plain and simple. And there will be consequences. The Planning Commission's unusual request for you to address this project is premature. It comes to you before the Planning Commission has even decided on the adequacy of the EIR. There is a way to balance the public interest with the owner's stated interest in paying estate taxes, but this project is not it.

I ask that you send this project back to P&D for further analysis of the impacts on agriculture, public recreation and other significant resources on this property. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:47:04 · ≈ 10:47 AM

Thank you. Leslie Freeman will be followed by Steve Forsell.

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CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:47:19 · ≈ 10:47 AM

Good morning. Good morning Madam Chair, board members. My name is Leslie Freeman and I've lived on the coast for a long time. I have to say that the trails that were given by Los Farris from the parking area down through their orchard through the tunnel with access to the coast probably 80% of the time where you could walk to El Cap on the beach And it keeps it out of their ag land where they're, well I mean they're going to run right through it down the little canyon. But it keeps out of the grazing land and if you go west to the narrow strip between the railroad tracks and the ocean and you put a trail in there, you're going to impact the calving of cows and everything. It's a narrow little strip that's there between those tracks And the ocean and the bluffs.

In the other, when you cross back over the tracks, there's a strip of land there between there and the freeway is not that large either. When you're talking cows and calves, there are just numerous problems from people who are walking from trash that cattle eat and then die. You really have a big problem coming with this. The other day we had an incident where some mother took two of her little kids out in a pasture trying to get a picture of those kids standing with the cows.

And why they didn't get run over is beyond me. So you really have to be, when you're talking about cattle it really those trails going through there will cause nothing but trouble. Then you have the trails that everything gets tracked in to the orchards and stuff. The runoff whatever you're talking about you can have root rot and such things and I'm not a farmer I'm a rancher and I have been for 55 years but There are numerous problems associated with moving the trails where the trails people want them and not kind of accepting what I thought was a pretty generous offer.

And if you are going to build bridges over the tracks for trails, it's gonna be some obnoxious thing that you're gonna see from... It's gonna be really ugly. And when you go to the west, if you're around the bluffs To get back over the tracks and get back over to where I guess that Caltrans spot is over there will cause nothing but trouble too. And it is going to cause, look when you have a trail, you have people that come in and use that trail at night Whether it's locked, whatever. Nobody sees signs or cares.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:23 · ≈ 10:50 AM

Thank you Mr. Freeman. Before you leave the podium I just want to tell you that I really appreciate you being here as also a long time Gaviota rancher to speak to these issues But I just wanted to understand, because I know that you have been there. Is your property currently under a Williamson contract? Yes. And have you taken any other measures to preserve your ranch into the future like ag conservation easements

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:50:50 · ≈ 10:50 AM

or something like

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:50:50 · ≈ 10:50 AM

that?

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:50:51 · ≈ 10:50 AM

Yeah our particular ranch we have and we're probably going to take it out of the Williamson Act Because we have a deal with the land trust and it's been in effect for 10 years, I guess. An ag conservation easement with the land trust and the backdrop to Rufufio State Beach.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:51:08 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Thank you so much.

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:51:09 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:51:11 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Steve Forsell to be followed by Phil McKenna.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:51:17 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Madam Chair, Supervisors thank you for the opportunity I have hiked on the Gaviota Coast for many, many years. In addition, I've used the coastal trail up and down California for many years so I have experience with it and speakers who have some previous speakers today have talked about Individuals using the coastal trail, going onto private property or dogs that are causing havoc with cattle or trash left behind. I want to tell you that's not been my experience in the many years I've been using the coastal trail. Hikers are generally very responsible.

I think that some of these speakers have exaggerated a bit. The hikers that I encounter are very receptive and responsible and do not cause any of these real problems. As to the trail, a trail that leaves the Ocean Bluff crosses 101 and runs on the north side of 101 doesn't really speak to me as a coastal trail. Using the beach as a trail is not really plausible unless we somehow learn how to control the tides.

That, to me, is not really a coastal trail. That's a walk on the beach at low tide. So I support the alternative trail that is along the bluff and thank you very much for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:52:40 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Thank you. Thank you for being here. Our next speaker is Phil McKenna to be followed by Kaylin Kelly.

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CommentPhil McKennaProposedself-stated1:52:51 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Members of the board, my name is Phil McKenna. I'm a member of the GABPAC. I am here to speak as an individual today but I want to reference some actions that the GABPAC has taken. On February 29th with regard to the Paradiso del Mar development and the Naples project, the GABPAC unanimously passed a motion That said, the trail alignment south of the highway shall be as close to the ocean as feasible in negotiation with property owners. That was a change to the trail alignment at Naples which did not have access along the bluff. So the GAVPAC did find that it would be reasonable a previously approved trail at Naples to include it along the bluff.

At a meeting in March, the end of March at the Gab Pack, the subject of Dos Pueblos Ranch came up and the coastal trail. The attorney for Dos Pueblos Ranch was there and vigorously opposed The retention of the PRT line on the county trails map. The GABPAC proposed a motion to remove the PRT line along the coast at Dos Pueblos, that motion failed two to five so the PR T line was retained at those Pueblos over the vigorous objections of the owner's attorney Lastly, I want you to be aware that the GAVPAC in that late March meeting remanded the Trails Council alternative To the GABPAC Trails Subcommittee for further review.

The trails subcommittee has not reported back to the larger committee on that review of the alternative at Las Farras, so I want you to understand that it is an unsettled issue at the GABPAC at this point in time. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:55:10 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Thank You Mr. McKenna. Our next speaker is Kaylin Kelly to be followed by Greg Carpin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:55:19 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Good morning. Kaylon Kelly, I'm the first district representative on CRATAC, the county's Riding and Hiking Trails Advisory Committee. CRATAC is on record with your board as supporting a bluff chop coastal trail at Las Vargas. I could happily tell you why we think that's the right alignment for the Coastal Trail and why it's important to be consistent with county and state policy in terms of putting the trails close to the ocean as reasonable.

But that isn't the issue before you. You've been asked to weigh in on the appropriateness of a trail exaction It's a bit curious that this is before you in this form since the Planning Commission is the body charged with making initial recommendations. But apparently they felt that the EIR did not provide the evidentiary basis for making a determination as to whether a trail exaction along the bluff top would be both related and and proportional to the impairment to recreational opportunities this project entails.

And looking at the EIR, I can't really blame them. The discussion of alternative trail alignments other than the one proposed by the applicant is so cursory as to be worthless. It's like noting that Las Barras is a working ranch and by definition that precludes a public trail And of course there's many, many examples throughout the state where trails and agricultural operations are in harmony.

Obviously a meaningful analysis is required here to justify any conclusion. And for that reason we urge you to return this matter to the Planning Commission with an instruction to recirculate the EIR so as to adequately address trail alternatives.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:57:28 · ≈ 10:57 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Carbajal,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:57:31 · ≈ 10:57 AM

thank you. It's OK, it's not for you. I have a question of staff and maybe Mr Freeman who's talked about his experience in terms of cattle raising my family. My father once upon a time did a little bit of that and I vaguely recall that there were specific seasons for calving Is that correct or am I wrong? And I didn't see anything in the IR that talked about that. If there is a specific time when that goes on as it relates to cattle grazing, I'm just wondering why that wouldn't be something that was covered in the IR.

Here's Mr. Freeman coming. Because as we consider alternatives, you would imagine that there is a specific time. You could always address that as well. Does it happen just year-round? Is there a specific time when... Well,

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:58:34 · ≈ 10:58 AM

it depends what operations. Some people calve all year long. A lot of people calve September. And it's September, October, November.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:58:45 · ≈ 10:58 AM

So I guess that my father was right when he passed on some of

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:58:47 · ≈ 10:58 AM

those. And it's not just actually when they're calving you know these calves are little if you spook something and if that cow is not a good mother or she's a young cow Once he gets away from that calf, he's on his own pretty much. So there definitely is a problem.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:59:06 · ≈ 10:59 AM

No I understand. I was just trying to understand what is the time? Is there a period? You're saying it depends on the operation.

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:59:14 · ≈ 10:59 AM

Yeah some

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:59:14 · ≈ 10:59 AM

operations. I'm wondering what the calving season is right now for the existing grazing operation there at Las Vargas.

CommentLeslie FreemanProposedself-stated1:59:21 · ≈ 10:59 AM

Well I would think Paul would be better to answer that. I mean I pretty much can answer but...

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:59:28 · ≈ 10:59 AM

Sure. Thank you, Mr. Freeman. Mr. Van Lier?

CommentPaul Van LeerProposedself-stated1:59:36 · ≈ 10:59 AM

Every operation is different like Mr. Freeman said but what we do is we calve out on the south side of the freeway because it referred back to my letter February 12th explaining my operation to try to avoid predators lions coyotes so those cows and calves are on that side of the freeway for seven months out of a year with their baby calves. I don't feel safe moving to the north side of the freeway until those calves are old enough to take care of themselves, otherwise there's a chance of losing them to predators.

So 70% of the time or 80% of the time they're in those pastures where they propose you put your trails.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:00:13 · ≈ 11:00 AM

And Mr. Van Leer, as I recall on our site visit when I asked you about the movement of the cattle back and forth above and below the freeway, you said you did that five or six times a

CommentPaul Van LeerProposedself-stated2:00:23 · ≈ 11:00 AM

year? There again is where my goal is to keep the small calves on the south side of the freeway as much as I can depending on the weather. I can't control the weather. I wish I could.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:00:33 · ≈ 11:00 AM

I

CommentPaul Van LeerProposedself-stated2:00:33 · ≈ 11:00 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:00:34 · ≈ 11:00 AM

just to conclude on the EIR, unless I missed it and this is so germane to some of the objections being addressed today. Did I miss that in the EIR? This whole issue here then of calving and how that might be impacted or not, the extensiveness of it, the existing operations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:00:55 · ≈ 11:00 AM

Madam Chair, Supervisor Garbaldo, the EIR did not go into a lot of detail regarding the seasonality of the calving operation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:01:04 · ≈ 11:01 AM

I thought so and I only raise it because again it goes back to the point of why we're having this discussion and that's one of the major issues that keeps coming up. So I just am sorry we didn't have more of an extensive inclusion in the EIR. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:01:22 · ≈ 11:01 AM

Mr. Allen, I think we have our next speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:01:24 · ≈ 11:01 AM

Our next speaker is Greg Carpain to be followed by Dr. Robert Jones.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:01:29 · ≈ 11:01 AM

Hello members of the board, thank you. First, I would like to acknowledge and thank Mrs. Doheny for her love of land and all the wonderful environmental practices she has done. Sometimes that gets slipped. And I have a lot of compassion for change and, you know, the public squawking and wanting things So thank you for that. And to the board, I wanted to throw this idea out maybe a different way of looking at it.

I understand and completely agree that all of the concerns for making a working cattle ranch need to be addressed. Perhaps having a trail on the bluff is not exclusive from that though. And I understand there are environmental impacts or some sensitive habitat and the perspective I want to put forth is I love and become refreshed by being out in nature. And the California coast is one of the most gorgeous places in the universe.

Once, my girlfriend and I took a ride and walk on the path between El Cap and Refugio right on the coast. I understand it's in disrepair now. We still talk about it. That was five years ago. Dolphin, boils of fish, pelicans. It was gorgeous. And it was one of my most amazing outdoors experience I've ever had, including Grand Canyon, Zion, et cetera. So I would love to have more trail like that as the Coastal Act says within sights and sounds of the ocean. The proposed trail, I hear the freeway and the railroad, and I don't even see the ocean.

So if there's some way that this can all be worked out together, I would love to be able to partake of that And again, as an example I'd put forth the Grand Canyon and Zion and Sierra where people do it has incredible access. And people walk through sensitive habitat. Some sensitive habitat has to be used in order to be enjoyed as recreation and to actually educate people to preserve our younger people to preserve habitat by knowing that it's there. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:03:47 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:04:17 · ≈ 11:04 AM

I can tell you this, thank God I'm here on this earth to tell the truth. And that's not what's going on in this meeting. Obviously environmentalists do not know the first thing about agriculture and I've seen it over and over again in this meeting. They don't know the first thing about agriculture And agriculturalists are environmentalists. They're the first environmentalist and examples come out when a supervisor asks a question, you should already know the answer to that question because that's one of the items in here. I didn't mention your name.

So it's obvious and when the agriculturalist said predators on his land He forgot, I'll tell the truth. The environmentalists are the predators. The predators are the environmentalists and their intrusion into people's homes, into their farm, their land trying to build, the predators are the environmentalists. Of course nobody wants to say that. I'm telling the truth and when you take craft fun and give it to them You're giving money to predators who try to buy up all the land on the coast.

Well, thank God someday the governor of this country will take back all that land that those rotten environmentalists stole.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:06:00 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Next speaker, Ms. Rahn.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:06:02 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Our next speaker is Janet Codd to be followed by Anna Citrin.

CommentJanet CoedProposedself-stated2:06:12 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Hi, my name is Janet Coed speaking for myself and thank you for the work you do. I'm a resident of Santa Barbara for over 40 years. I think of the Gaviota Coast as my cathedral though I don't own it. I also think of myself as an average hiker I'm in favor of the coastal trail along the Bluffs. I hike Naples, I look hard for trash and usually don't see any but I pick it up when I can.

I have great respect for cows and I like hamburgers and I really abhor peeping Johns and Janes and paparazzi I'm mostly concerned about the potential for the future and 14 ranchettes on the property that we're speaking of. That would change the Gaviota Coast and set a dangerous precedent for the future. I have a couple comments that are a little more technical that I'd like to read, Agricultural conservation easements, cluster development and size limits on residential structures are required to avoid the project's significant impacts to agriculture, visual and biological and historical resources For the project to conform to the Coastal Act and the county's local coastal plan.

To be legally adequate, a revised EIR must include independent review and analysis, not merely repeat statements of the applicant that are clearly biased in favor of the project. So I would like to encourage you to recirculate the EIR. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:08:05 · ≈ 11:08 AM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:08:06 · ≈ 11:08 AM

Next speaker is Anna Citrin followed by Rachel Couch.

PresenterAna CitrinLaw Office of Mark Sciatillo representing the Gaviota Coast ConservancyProposedself-stated2:08:16 · ≈ 11:08 AM

Good morning Chair Farr and Supervisors. I'm Ana Citrin, an attorney with the Law Office of Mark Sciatillo representing the Gaviota Coast Conservancy. The Planning Commission's recommendation has asked you to put the cart before the horse. You need to have a legally adequate EIR before you can make important determinations about the project such as the exaction determination you've been confronted with.

The reason this issue has been sent up to the board is because the applicant doesn't want to fund additional environmental review of alternative trail alignments. But CEQA doesn't allow the applicant to pick and choose what they believe should be analyzed in the EIR. It is the county's responsibility to prepare a legally adequate EIR that avoids or mitigates environmental damage whenever it is feasible to do so.

GCC Surfrider, Coastal Commission staff and others have identified a host of inadequacies in the EIR including the failure to accurately describe the project, the failure to identify alternatives that substantially lessen the project's impacts. I want to touch however on several specific reasons why CEQA requires that the county revise and recirculate the EIR.

First, the applicant has introduced significant new information at the Planning Commission that revealed a new feasible alternative that clearly lessens the significant impacts of the project. In fact, avoids nearly all of them. Specifically an alternative that involves encumbering the property with a conservation easement It has feasibly protected other Gaviota Coast ranches as we heard from Mr. Freeman, while providing the landowners with much needed revenue to meet estate tax obligations and continue their farming practices.

CEQA requires revision and recirculation to identify and evaluate this new alternative. Second, the recreational impact analysis that the board would base an exaction determination on is badly flawed. The EIR drastically understates the impacts that developing large homes on the coastal bluff will have and drastically overstates the potential for mitigation to reduce these impacts.

Not only do members of the public cross the project site in much larger numbers than the EIR recognizes, but the public also indisputably recreates at El Capitan State Beach a mere 1.5 miles west of the project site and traverses the beach fronting the project site. The impact of fundamentally altering the aesthetic experience of members of the recreating public And cutting off existing informal access across Las Vargas are fundamental to the county's determination regarding whether the exaction of a near coast trail easement is justified.

If the applicant refuses to fund additional environmental review, which is necessary for you to comply with CEQA, we believe that she will have left you with no opportunity, no choice but to suspend processing at this project. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:11:20 · ≈ 11:11 AM

Our next speaker is Rachel Couch, to be followed by Ray Ford who's our final speaker.

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PresenterRachel Couch I'mState Coastal Conservancy and a project manager that works here in Santa BarbaraProposedself-stated2:11:30 · ≈ 11:11 AM

Good morning Chair Farr, Supervisors. My name is Rachel Couch I'm here representing the State Coastal Conservancy and a project manager that works here in Santa Barbara County on Santa Barbara County projects I just have a few points to make regarding the coastal trail in the Gaviota area and San Barbara County, not specific to the Los Juarez project or to the exact same question before you today. But I thought this was an opportunity to make a few points that were in a letter that was sent recently to Chair Farr and the chair of the Gab I just want to encourage the county to think long term about how short-term projects coming before the Planning Commission or the Board affect the larger vision of the Coastal Trail.

The Conservancy is tasked with the mission of completing the Coastal Trail through a variety of means in conjunction with local agencies and other state agencies, and local groups and individual property owners as well. We encourage you to utilize your resources including your Hiking and Riding Trails Advisory Committee, the local environmental and trails community groups And the state agencies that are tasked with working with you and to be proactive and even working with Caltrans, The Railroad etc That's happening through the GAVPAC to a certain extent, although they're looking at the larger policy issues. Sometimes it's hard to get into the collaboration as much with the individual agencies.

We see the Coastal Trail as a braided trail that can be different things in different places or it can be multiple things in certain areas that serve different purposes. And we urge you to keep options open and be exhaustive in the study of the alternatives so that the best decisions are ultimately made. Quickly, just wanted to commend the county for its efforts to lead the GAVPAC planning process to complete the trail and expand public access opportunities.

The trail serves to implement aspects of the Coastal Act policies that promote non-motorized transportation and accommodate a variety of additional user groups in addition to pedestrians, including bicyclists, wheelchair users, equestrians etc., but again that can mean different things in different places depending on the opportunities that exist along various sections of the trail which basically means the trail Can consist of different parallel alignments.

We do believe that the inland bicycle strand, you know potentially could be evaluated in conjunction with opportunities for a pair of parallel trail and that's a point that's made in the letter. So with that, I'll conclude and just say that the Conservancy is here as a collaborative partner. We're non-regulatory and we can bring resources there whether those are technical resources or funding resources

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:14:48 · ≈ 11:14 AM

etc. Thank you for being here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:14:52 · ≈ 11:14 AM

Our final speaker is Ray Ford

PresenterRay Fordthe Santa Barbara Trails CouncilProposedself-stated2:15:03 · ≈ 11:15 AM

Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak. My name is Ray Ford and I'm the Executive Director of the Santa Barbara Trails Council, and I'm also a second district member of CRATAC. And I would like to say a few things. I guess starting point is that I was actually the one that laid out the trail route so if you've seen any maps or you see some of the pictures here, I'm responsible for the route And you've also been told that it's changed, you know here and there. Basically what we tried to do is create a flexible route that would meet the needs of the cattle operations. We stayed for the first half of the trail almost entirely outside the fencing. The second half on the south side of the railroad so trying to make it such that it would deal with a lot of the issues but that's really not the point you know the route itself.

The point is that At no point did CRATAC, Trails Council or any of the other groups ever receive any notification or request to participate in the planning process. And so what we were left to is basically request a meeting with Planning and Development at a far later date after the Environmental Impact Statement was out and being circulated to really be able to get some input in the process. And that's when we started looking at what the alternatives might be You know, and the first point we make, you know, we do not want to trail on the north side of the freeway. That's a mile away from the ocean. It's not sights and sounds. It is not the experience. And it's the best I can say walk along the freeway for a bit of time then go out to Elwood Bluffs and walk along the bluffs there and compare the experience.

They're not the same. But the problem in all of this is that we're dealing today with a lot of charges or comments about environmental impacts and issues relating to what might You know, be the impacts of the trail. But the problem serious problem is that that was never studied. There was never any potential of looking at other options other than north side of the freeway. So we have an environmental impact statement. It's not just calfing.

We have issues that relate to the native grasses, Goddard Creek and so forth. We've never had an opportunity to look at the issues related to that and then actually lay out something that would work with all of those concerns and issues so that we could create a trail along the bluff top that would work for everybody. So I'm not seeing a way that we can actually have an honest discussion about any of this if we don't take that environmental impact document back to planning and development work with us to go through and revise it so that it does actually adequately discuss all of the issues relating to potential trails along the bluffs. This is a world-class potential trail we're talking about along the bluffs if we're talking about a series of trail segments parcel by parcel from Paradiso del Mar Through Santa Barbara.

Thank you, Mr. Forrest. That is a major trail we need to have adequate studies. Thank you. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:20 · ≈ 11:18 AM

And that was our final speaker, Ms. Rowland

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:18:23 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Yes, Madam Chair. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18:23 · ≈ 11:18 AM

right. Madam Chair may I have just two minutes of rebuttal? I only had ten. Two minutes. Okay. I did not get to point out to you that the California Trails Act that Ms. Couch referenced says that the trail shall respect property rights, proximity to residential uses and protection of property owner privacy. Mr. McKenna also testified that the trails subcommittee of GAVPAC had considered The Trails Council's proposals that you have seen here today, they unanimously rejected them. He didn't tell you that because they haven't yet reported back but they unanimously rejected those and voted to recommend to the GABPAC that they stay with the plan that the GABPAC already has.

I would just like to conclude by urging your board to find that the three trails already offered by the applicant are adequate for these projects, and that it cannot make the legally required findings for a conclusion that this applicant must offer to dedicate additional trails. This will result in the project moving forward to a conclusion that results in long-term conditions and CC&Rs that ensure That the entire ranch continues in productive agriculture. The project will allow the ranch to hold the line against creeping urbanization that someday will engulf Naples and perhaps Dos Pueblos Ranch. This isn't the usual project that you review, these are already existing parcels Tim Doheny was trying to do the right thing for this ranch. He didn't live to see that dream realized, and I think that's a sad thing.

We would ask you to do the right thing and let his widow complete the job because this project preserves the long-term agricultural productivity of this ranch. Without it there are no building envelopes, there is no CC&Rs, and there is no conditioning that limits height That limits design that limits location and that requires that the continuing thing agricultural operation goes on. Thank you, thank you. Bring it back to staff Mister Tuttle did you have any comments?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:43 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Madam chair board members actually staff doesn't have any comments or responses at this time. We're just available for any questions Thank you.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction2:20:51 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Okay, thank you Thank you, I'd like to Refer this question to mr. Tuttle Also in our packet we have a letter from County Parks To P&D that was dated December 21st 2011 and and they brought up the issue of conformity with the trails map And they had some questions that related to the trail that was described in the project. So I guess what I'm trying to understand is Parks Department seemed to feel that the coastal trail was an issue and one that should be discussed.

Which implies, at least for me, that there should have been a broad discussion either in the EIR or that the exaction issue had already been resolved because parks apparently seem to feel that it should be discussed, the coastal trail. Why didn't the Planning Commission, or did they? Did they look at this letter from Parks and why didn't they discuss this issue at the Coastal Commission, I mean at the Planning Commission level in more detail rather than kicking it up to us to look at the exaction question. Again because it seems like that would have already been Assumed based on their on the parks letter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:22:39 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Madam chair commissioner or board member Wolf. The planning commission did discuss in detail the trails issue it was probably that the main issue that was discussed in the 2 hearings at the Planning Commission Essentially, they could not come to a consensus or agreement as to whether there was sufficient. One question is to whether the county even had the ability to exact the trail in an alternative location. Secondly, whether there was sufficient environmental review to be able to even make that determination in the first place.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction2:23:15 · ≈ 11:23 AM

So what I'm trying to ascertain is that the Parks Department seemed to feel that there was... There seems to be a disconnect And I am not understanding why they didn't look to the Parks Department and ask that question specifically. I mean, wouldn't they have been able to help the Planning Commission in determining the exaction issue since they talk about the trails map and recreation?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:23:57 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Madam Chair, Supervisor Wolf and just reviewing the parks letter real briefly. Their main issue and we had this conversation with them multiple times was the lack of connectivity between The vertical trail and the coastal trail north of the highway in terms of the separation from between the freeway. So that was primarily from a public safety standpoint, in terms of not having that connection and as far as their concern goes. So that's the primary reason they wanted to, would have liked to see further discussion of a trail that would provide for that connection so that one could drive to the parking lot park, walk down to the beach and then also have the ability from that parking lot be able to access the coastal trail as well or the lateral trail.

They didn't really, from our conversations, go at it from the legal issue. More just in terms of what they saw as the most beneficial from a recreational standpoint.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction2:25:04 · ≈ 11:25 AM

All right. Thank you Mr. Tuttle.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:25:07 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Other questions of staff at this time? All right. Yes, Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:25:13 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Gray. Thank you Council. I'm most interested in The Nolan Dolan test and whether or not we have nexus, whether or not this is a taking. I'm sure you guys have analyzed this and that's what bothers me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:25:29 · ≈ 11:25 AM

I'll ask Senior Deputy Rachel Van Molen to address the Nolan Dolan issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:25:41 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Madam Chair and Supervisor Gray. The Nolan-Dolan test is, it's two parts It requires that the county show both that there is an essential nexus between the project specific impacts and the requirement Whatever the exaction may be in this case we're talking about the trail on the south side And then the second part is that the value of the Exaction must be roughly proportional to the projects impact And that issue really is within the discretion of your board to decide whether or not there's evidence to support an exaction in this project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:26:22 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Does counsel have recommendation based on case law and from what I've read, I can't see it but maybe you have some recommendation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:26:35 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Madam Chair, because of the fact-intensive nature of the decision we don't really have a specific recommendation but we would urge that the board consider carefully in such an exaction making all the findings to establish the proportionality and the essential nexus.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction2:27:02 · ≈ 11:27 AM

All right. Supervisor Wolf? Question to Council, would a more extensive and robust EIR help us or the Planning Commission get to that, make that decision?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:27:29 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf, it is a fact-specific inquiry and a fact specific decision. And so if your board determines that you don't have sufficient facts then additional analysis could help you in making that determination.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:46 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Thank you. All right. Well, Supervisor Carpaul did you want to say something?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:27:53 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Yes I was just going to applaud the Doheny family and Ms. Van Leer for I think what is or seems to be a very generous offering and an objective to preserve the agriculture operation. I do believe though that, I believe in the win-win and the balance. And I think that to protect everyone's interests The applicant, the county. We can never have enough information and I appreciate counsel's guidance which is this is a discretionary decision And the fact that we can never have enough information. Clearly, the alternative that a number of the members of the public that spoke today wasn't as fully analyzed as it could have in the EIR.

By no means does this impugn Mr. Tuttle's good work. I'm a fan of all the good work he does and continue to be a fan Period. Because he does such a good work for County P&D, but I do think that if we can have more information to make it easier for us to be more informed and to make the best possible decision that alleviates potential litigation costs. It may require a little bit of focus now, but I think in the long run irrespective of the outcome it protects everyone and all interests so for me I think it's become abundantly clear that an expansive EIR exercise at this point might be best for everyone and all the objectives that we're trying to pursue

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:29:48 · ≈ 11:29 AM

Thank you Supervisor Carpajal. All right, as this is in my district I'm going to go ahead and make some comments and a motion. And I'm wondering if staff has an exhibit like this except of the whole project that they could put up in case we need to refer to it? If not actually an aerial then at least the other map. It's also clear to me that any decision on an exaction issue is premature. We obviously got a lot of unanswered questions, and in my mind some missing information.

And obviously I think that the county's final decision works best if the board is informed first by the Planning Commission's recommendation on this issue and on others. And so we do need to consider additional information that's necessary for both the Planning Commission and then later the Board, to be able to make an informed decision on the Environmental Impact Report and the project.

So I'm going to make a motion to direct staff to conduct additional analysis in revising Environmental Impact Report In the following impact areas and I'm going to actually do the trails last because as an old planning commissioner myself, I dug through all of these documents. And read most of them and a number of other issues came to light that were concerning to me.

The first has to do with aesthetics. We've talked a lot about development envelope size, but we haven't and we've talked about building heights, but there was no discussion about further minimizing visual impacts and impacts to biology and agriculture by limiting the amount of square footage of overall development on the envelope or limiting square footage on house size. So I think that needs to be looked at.

I think going into the biology, I think it would have been helpful if we had maps that overlain one another because there are a number of different things that need to be considered that I think if you could see it all together might further the discussion about the envelopes. So the first is we have a fire department letter in there. Now it is seven years old, I think it needs to be updated but in that they said that the roads out to the parcels out on the south of the railroad track needed to have wider roads and big turnarounds and I think that that needs to be further studied. I think the whole hazardous materials issue needs to be studied. We have an old Oil site.

This thing is working. Don't have it anyway, it's on the largest parcel which really encompasses the two lower development envelopes that are there as well as scattered oil and gas wells throughout the property that I don't think we're really looked at for what their impacts might be on all of this. I also think that using CCNRs to enforce what the county is supposed to enforce is not at all an adequate mitigation. We have CCNRS that are supposed to enforce Biological conditions on grasslands and I don't think that is appropriate. I think we need to find other mitigations for that.

On agricultural resources, I was very taken by the letter from the Cattlemen's Association in talking about the history of this property and also, I think also Ms. Petrovich's letter talking about farming and ranching on this site since the 1700s And clearly Mr. Doheny's vision to keep this area in productive agriculture was really important that he, in effect, bought two ranches and put them together.

And we have learned over and over again that if we want to keep agriculture productive it needs a lot of room and it needs diversity. And this has both. It has a lot of property and it has both a cattle operation and it has orchards. I don't see mitigations that is going to protect this property in agriculture long term. CCNRs do not do that, the county does not enforce CCNRS.

And I think then what would happen is what the ag analysis showed from the point system is that you would really lose agriculture on the south side of the freeway and the only place that you might see it was still in that very large parcel north of the freeway. As it is, the CCNR's only speak to continuing the cattle operation And the orchards would be left to the individual property owners to take care of. As we know, we can have a property that's zoned for agriculture but we cannot make people do agriculture. So there is no way that we have protections now that any of this agricultural operation is going to continue on into the future. This property is not in Williamson contract. There's been no discussion about ag conservation easements or other tools that have been used on farmers and ranches throughout Santa Barbara County, including the Gaviota Coast to make that happen.

So I think all of that really needs to be studied there otherwise I don't see how loss of agriculture doesn't become a class one impact. I think in going to the historic resources, we had a very strong letter from the San Inez Band of Chumash Indians on all of the cultural resources that are here. There's not just one site there are six or seven sites and up to the point where they thought that this was a cultural district for their people and I don't think that that was given enough consideration As I mentioned before with the history on this, which there's a lot of comment on. The fact of the matter is that there's nothing here to protect the historic resources. There's a condition that says they remain in situ but that doesn't mean that they are protected through landmarking, that they are protected in any way from just becoming dilapidated and eventually falling down.

And if that's the case, okay. But I think then that we need to analyze it in that way and I think that also goes to the comments, the questions that I had on this Petrovich to do with the water. I think that putting a system to now be able to produce drinking water in an area where it's had to be brought in by bottle is a significant growth inducing impact And the fact that there's been no analysis of that, there's not even any condition in there about the creation of a mutual water company which would be a requirement for even a small water system has been totally overlooked and that needs to be put in there as well.

Getting specifically to the recreation and the trails issue, I think not only do we need to study all of the pluses and minuses that we have so much information on but were not included in EIR on the various trail alignments that have been proposed. But also more information as far as the trail alignments that the applicant is offering So and I think that a lot of this information needs to come from Caltrans, which we don't have.

So Caltrans is requiring an acceleration in deacceleration lane and an extension of the left-hand turn pocket there at the at grade intersection where the parking lot would be. There are conditions that tell the applicant that they need to provide plans for those. But I see nothing in there that tells us who's going to actually pay for it and build it. The other part of it is, is that the trail north of the freeway at one point, the applicant is asking us to reroute it south of an existing house And I don't know if Caltrans would be okay with that and I don't know whether they would be okay even if we had the money, whether it's feasible to build that kind of flying pedestrian bridge over the tunnel there.

So all of that needs to be looked at and studied. I'm also very concerned about creating a dangerous situation that would create liability for the county Having one end of the trail on one side of the freeway and the parking lot at another part of the trail on the other side of the freeway. I think we all know that just about every time you drive down the Gaviota Coast, you see people running across the freeway, running across the railroad tracks. If we're going to try to build a section of the coastal trail any place along here then we need to do it so that it's safe And I think that my priorities for any kind of a trail alignment here or any place else is, first of all, connectivity.

Second of all, multi-use. Third, obviously all these impacts that we've talked about to biology, ag and cultural resources are looked at visual resources both from the trail and not from the trail. And that we do better consider all of the documents that we have talked about. The PRT map, local coastal plan, the California state policies because clearly if nothing else all of this documentation has showed that this issue of a coastal trail along the Gaviota area is not only of local concern it's of regional concern and statewide concern And I think that behooves us to really make sure that we have an environmental document that covers all of the bases. Because when we already have a letter signed by the Executive Director of the California Coastal Commission, I think it's in everybody's best interest to make sure that we go forward with as complete information as we can in all of these areas.

So my motion is that we direct staff to go ahead and look at all of these issues and any others that have come up, and any others that the Board of Supervisors wants to comment on now. And once that has happened, it's recirculated as necessary, and then the project is returned to the Planning Commission for a recommendation on the entire project before it comes back to us for decision again.

So that was my motion. Supervisor Carbajal, I have a second. Any discussion on the motion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Supervisor Lavagnino?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.772:40:33 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Usually when we get a book this thick, Madam Chair, I see litigation in the future. And so even though I was prepared to go one way, I know the votes aren't there on the board and just to protect ourselves and that's the only reason I'm doing this is for future possible litigation is that I will vote yes with you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:40:58 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:40:59 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Supervisor Green? I'm most concerned, you did identify many of the concerns. I'm most concerned about the essential nexus as defined by counsel on the Nolan-Dolan situation and also the value of the extraction that it, and I'm using the word extraction is equal to the value of the project and that doesn't appear to be here so why would we Do such a thorough EIR. I don't disagree with your, with the need for that if in fact the Nolan-Dolan threshold can't be reached so based on that I mean, unless that becomes the essential analysis that we have a finding that we can meet both of those tests.

There's no sense in going forward with this extensive of an EIR. So my vote at this point in time is a no vote. Okay?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.772:41:59 · ≈ 11:41 AM

Madam Chair, in your motion are you saying that we go back, we review those items that you had talked about. It comes back to us or goes back to the Planning Commission? No, it goes back to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:08 · ≈ 11:42 AM

the Planning Commission. This was as we've all agreed this is a very unusual situation I mean really the Planning Commission I think should have given their comments and if they felt that they didn't have enough information they should have gone through it and said you know go back and do it and then bring it back to us So, you know I think that was probably kind of where they were. I'm not really sure why it ended up in our lap at this point in time but clearly there's a lot more work that needs to be done in my opinion and not just on the recreation and trails issue.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.772:42:38 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Well I want to be clear that I personally don't feel that we found the nexus The ambiguous statement we kind of got from County Council that I wasn't completely satisfied that they feel the same way. So in order to protect ourselves, I will support them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:56 · ≈ 11:42 AM

All right. So so we have four yeses and one no. All right. Thank you very much. We're now concluded with this item CEO Waller.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:43:08 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Chairwoman, board members. I have consultant with council and I know we're on an extremely tight schedule today. I think we have agreed County Council myself that your board could probably do closed session in one hour if you chose to today

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:43:23 · ≈ 11:43 AM

All right Well, what is the wish of the board? We have a number of people in the audience already for the next item Are we going to go to lunch or are we gonna go ahead and do this item? Okay, why don't we take five minutes and then we'll come back and do item number three before we go to closed session. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:44:03 · ≈ 11:44 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:53:13 · ≈ 11:53 AM

♪ Thank you. All right, the Board of Supervisors will come back into session here. We're taking up our departmental agenda item number three. Mr. Allen would you read that into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:54:17 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Madam Chair and members of the board, Item 3 is from the Sheriff. It's a hearing to receive and file a presentation on the status of medical mental health services provided inmates of the sheriff's detention facilities.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:54:29 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Thank you and now almost good afternoon under Sheriff Peterson thank you for being here for Chief Patterson

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:54:37 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Madam Chair, members of the Board. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Yes I'm actually pinch hitting for Chief Patterson and I'd like to introduce the team that will give you a presentation on the jail medical mental health services for the Sheriff's Office. First of all is Custody Commander Jenny Sams and she's doing the major pinch hitting for Chief Patterson who's sick today. And also Dr. Leanne Bradley who is our healthcare administrator for Horizon Healthcare or private contractor And also I'd like to introduce the Vice President of Operations from Nashville, Tennessee, Joanne Garcia who will be here to answer any questions you have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:55:13 · ≈ 11:55 AM

All right very good thank you So who's going to start us off then? I'll start. Go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:55:21 · ≈ 11:55 AM

Madam Chair, members of the board, thank you for allowing us to give you this presentation today. Today we're going to cover the current status of our health care services and any improvements that have been made and our continuing new challenges that we face. The California Penal Code and a California Code of Regulations Title 15 minimum standards for the local detention facilities mandate the sheriff provide for emergency and basic medical, dental and mental health services for the inmates in our facilities.

Since 1995, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office has provided these services through a contract with a vendor, Corizon. In July of 2009, the Board of Supervisors approved the sheriff's two-year contract extension with Corizon and the amendment to provide mental health services. And in July of 2011, we exercised the second of the two-year option and we are currently almost halfway through that contract extension which expires in June 2013.

For the last two years, we've been reviewing accreditation options for the jail medical and mental health services. We've decided to pursue accreditation through the National Commission for Correctional Health Care Services, NCCHC, which accredits jails and prisons throughout the country and has one of the most rigid accreditation standards in the industry.

The NCCHC accreditation is a multi-step process that begins with conducting a self survey We have finished conducting that survey and are in the process of making improvements to close the identified gaps. Once we've completed making those improvements, we're going to collect the data for one year before completing the application process. And now I'd like to turn over the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:18 · ≈ 11:57 AM

Before you go on from there, that was actually a question I had in page 2 of the staff report under NCCHC standards for health services. It talks about the self-survey that you completed and you're in the process of making identified improvements. So what were those identified improvements?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:57:36 · ≈ 11:57 AM

A few of the improvements have to do with the custody facilities and how we collect the medical requests. And in our ability to be able to provide an area that gives more privacy for the evaluations, the medical and mental health evaluations. There are other medical improvements as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:57:56 · ≈ 11:57 AM

It is a very rigorous standard and there are lots of components to it. As Commander Sam says Many of those have to do with our levels of staffing and the layout of our facility, and the ways that those things impact how we do our business. So we'll be looking at things like how we provide mental health and any improvements that we need to make in terms of staffing or how we conduct that business to make sure we meet the standards as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:58:29 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Okay, I think it would have been helpful for me and maybe the rest of the board too if we had had that information as an appendix to our staff report because you know just saying that there were things that you needed to correct and then you're doing it doesn't really give us I think the depth of information that we need. And I realize you've told us a couple things here but so it would be nice to have more information.

Supervisor Carball?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:58:56 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Thank you. Well, aside from the hearing today since we don't have that information I would appreciate a memo from the sheriff outlining what those issues were and the corrective action plan and timeline by which one we're going to achieve that because if not does it happen in a year? Three years? I think the public wants assurance and confidence and we need to have that assurance and confidence Whatever the issues are, there's a timeline by which we're going to try to get things done.

And if there are some things that can't get done because maybe we need a new building, well, we need to know that. But it's important when you consider the sensitivity of some of the speakers that I'm sure you're going to hear from today who have family members who are in this system One I have assurance is that there's a reasonable level of care in how their medical and mental health issues are being addressed. So, I want to echo what Supervisor Farr said for the most part I think the report is very good but that is so germane and critical to what we're deliberating up here it's...I can't not tell you how disappointed I am that that's not included

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:00:12 · ≈ 12:00 PM

And if I might just back up for a moment on that, please understand that we have not sought that accreditation yet. We are simply in the self-study phase before we seek that accreditation. We have to gather data before we even apply for accreditation and then have auditors come in and present us with their findings. So we're saying this about ourselves in an effort Ensure that we are ready when the time for seeking that accreditation comes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:00:45 · ≈ 12:00 PM

But we will provide a memo as requested,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:00:47 · ≈ 12:00 PM

thank you and go ahead and proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:00:50 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Thank you. If we could have the next slide please. Thanks. We've structured our presentation today to give you information on the innovations made during the past year, largely in response to your questions during our presentation to you in 2011. Woven throughout, you will hear me address the four goals on which we based our mental health program when the board approved it in 2009.

And this year, we've added information about the medical services we offer in the jail. In an attempt to give you a more complete picture of the care we provide. While we will set the stage today by showing you our progress in terms of numbers of patients seen and the services provided, the focus of our presentation today concerns our pre-release planning made possible by enhanced relationships with our community partners. As you will recall this was one of the goals we presented to you in 2009.

Statistics for our medical services in 2011 show a higher number of sick call requests than number of individuals seen. An analysis of this reveals that inmates sometimes submit duplicate requests, they're sometimes out of jail prior to being seen and sometimes they refuse sick call. Sick call requests are triaged every day by our nursing supervisor and That allows her to make the decision as to the most appropriate person, whether it's a nurse or physician seeing the patient in the most timely way possible.

The number of sick call requests in 2011 increased over 2010. While the physicians' sick call visits remained about the same, nurses' sick call visits increased to accommodate the additional requests. Also you can It's not shown here, but the number of outpatient appointments increased from 394 in 2010 to 499 in 2011. That's about a 26% increase primarily due to an increase in obstetrical and public health clinic appointments.

Thank you. As you can see from this slide, the number of mental health patients The mental health scene has increased very slightly from 2010 to 2011. This speaks to two of the goals we outlined in 2009, delivering quality mental health services to inmates in our custody and care and making the best use of resources. We continue to provide medications appropriately to our patients as therapeutically indicated and appropriate for the jail environment.

We consistently spend about $50,000 a month on medications off which about 60% are psychotropic meds. As we reported to you last year, we continue to staff mental health with two licensed master's level mental health clinicians, one mental health RN and a psychiatrist. And this compares the staffing that ADMHS previously provided with the staffing that PHS now Corizon is providing.

We also continue to extend our mental health clinician coverage through the nursing staff who are on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week. As Supervisor Wolf requested a year ago in 2012 we have added psychiatrist hours to our budget and we're providing these at no additional cost to the county. You saw this slide when we came before you last year. Continuity of care was a goal presented in 2009, and while previous slides have spoken to our internal continuity for inmates in jail, we now turn our focus to the provision of continuity on release.

Prior to the 2009 contract extension that added mental health services to Corizon's responsibility, there was little or no pre-release planning. The Corizon contract included a major goal of providing discharge planning services Due to the diminished availability of community services and the unpredictability of release times for inmates, establishing a successful pre-release program has proved to be a considerable challenge.

Through the combined efforts of the Sheriff's staff, Khorizon, ADMHS and other county agencies Significant improvement has been made in this area. We work with our community partners to provide mental health medications on release, if indicated and programming if available. As you know, relationships take time to develop. While we've been active partners from the very first, our relationships have solidified over the course of this past two and a half years so that it is now much easier to pick up the phone and call each other for consultation or requests. In short, we know each other now.

And while in 2009 we were in the formative stages of collaborating with our community partners Today that collaboration is well established. We continue to use more formal mechanisms for developing solutions to complex problems, but much of the work is done by those on the ground in real time. We're pleased to report to you that we have enhanced relationships with stakeholders in the community which was our final 2009 goal.

It's often said that in organizations, 20% of the people require 80% of the attention. This thinking applies to incarcerated health care as well. For our complex and difficult cases, many of whom experience severe mental health issues, the challenge is how best to manage these people in the jail environment. They are often dangerous, uncooperative and unpredictable When we were last here, Supervisor Carbajal asked for creativity in dealing with mental health issues.

We've listened. In the past year we have implemented a new and highly successful weekly meeting for raising awareness of those requiring more intense services. This meeting, attended by Sheriff's Office Operations, Transportation, Classification, Administrative Staff and by Khorizons Nursing, Mental Health and Administrative Staff provides a mechanism for weekly touch points regarding inmates with acute medical mental health and custody issues.

Those attending this meeting are charged with taking that information from the meeting and disseminating it to their coworkers The meeting has allowed mental health to offer just-in-time interventions so that all staff are acting in concert. It's let medical alert other staff of upcoming procedures requiring unique care, and it provides a way for custody to inform medical and mental health of transportation and custodial issues and observe behavioral problems.

Problem solving happens with the right people at the table on a frequent and regular basis. The ADMHS Sheriff's Office-Corizon collaboration continues to grow and develop. Corizon and ADMHS discuss cases several times per week by phone on individual patients, The ADMHS Sheriff's Office and Khorizon Administrative Staff have examined complex processes such as medical clearances for entry into the county psychiatric health facility, and timing of 5150 evaluations.

We had a case in point this morning in fact that we were having difficulty on and did some work right here in this room before our presentation So we do that frequently and with the folks that we need to have at the table. Newest in our cadre of pre-release activities has been the use of multidisciplinary meetings, including members from the Sheriff's Office, representatives from the County Psychiatric Health Facility and ADMHS clinics, Corizon administrative and mental health staff, the public defender, and district attorney.

to identify options for several challenging cases. This mechanism used in those cases where our normal processes have proved inadequate has allowed the brain trust of the community to problem solve and develop options for these patients, and thinking in collaboration to occur at all levels of the organizations. Let me give you a few examples of the work that's been done in this manner.

One such case resulted in admission of a mental health patient to the ADMHS ACT program, which serves the 100 most acute mental health patients in our county and has provided housing and continued treatment for this man. Another has resulted in the group's review of a complex psychiatric case to determine best placement for the safety of a patient. A second multidisciplinary meeting is planned to determine next steps for his treatment.

A third has resulted in our changing the way we approach persons in jail who have been state hospital patients. Even when we do not know of an upcoming release for these people, the cases are flagged so that mental health can be notified and prescriptions called in as needed. Cases such as these present complex challenges and we continue to adopt innovative ways in dealing with them.

As the Sheriff's medical and mental health service provider, Corizon continues to find and take advantage of all opportunities to collaborate with our partners across the community to reduce the gaps in service for our patients both inside and outside the jail.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:12:07 · ≈ 12:12 PM

This next slide is intended to give you a population comparison over the past three years. It illustrates the average daily population, and as you can see we were making some progress in 2011 in managing the jail population. The success was due to several factors one there was lower bookings and increasing alternatives to sentencing but then AB 109 hit and that changed a lot for us In the first three months of 2012, we've seen an increase in the average daily population. And even if we compare that, the first three months of this year to the first three months of last year, you can see that increases as well.

Our bottom line is we're not going to be able to predict what we're going to have in 2013. We do know that it's going to plateau at some point. We do know that we don't have room in our current facilities and that expanding our sentencing programs To the point of needing to increase staff.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:13:09 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Supervisor Wolf? Thank you, Madam Chair. I think this is the first time that I've seen a slide where we're seeing a reduction in the total population although as you point out 2012 we've seen the increase. But I think when we get into a later item on the agenda that talks about the 109ers as they are fondly called be some reason as to why we're seeing that impact for the first three months.

But I think this is an interesting trend, and I also am curious as to what relationship we have with the courts because so many of the folks that are in our jail are pre-adjudicated And maybe this is just an offline question I should just ask the sheriff and the courts because I'm not really clear in how long those folks stay in jail before they move into trial.

It must be dependent on what they're convicted of? What's the average stay of someone before they go to court?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:14:28 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Before they go to court?

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:14:29 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Yeah. Or before it's adjudicated, I guess because I know that they all but that doesn't always happen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:14:35 · ≈ 12:14 PM

It could take anywhere from months to years for the case to be adjudicated depending on what the charges are. We are seeing a trend in the pre-adjudicated individuals and the sentenced individuals shifting because of AB 109. You know, I think at one time last year in 2011 82% or 81%, pre-adjudicated, and 19% that were sentenced. And again because of 8109, it's creeping up and it's closer to 7030 now. It's closer to what it was I want to say five six years ago.

The courts I think are as challenged as we are in trying to figure out these sentencing laws and moving these cases forward. The reason that we have more sentenced inmates is obviously, these are inmates that we've all seen before. They have been in our system. The difference is they're not leaving. Before they would get adjudicated and they would be sent off to prison. Now we're keeping them.

That's what's driving that trend.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:15:38 · ≈ 12:15 PM

And Commander, I just want a clarification on the pre adjudicated number for 2011. Is that supposed to be 549? Because we have. But because we have 642, I'm sorry, I think it's 649. OK

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:15:54 · ≈ 12:15 PM

so then for 2012 the 642. 642

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:16:06 · ≈ 12:16 PM

Doesn't it doesn't look right. Looks yeah it looks like twenty eleven should be five forty nine unless anyway I'm just trying to understand what the difference

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:16:20 · ≈ 12:16 PM

is. I have that information with me. Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:16:28 · ≈ 12:16 PM

Carpenter. Madam Chair. It would be great to get a sense of what is the average pre-adjudication period for inmates, to just get a sense of what is the average. If there's an... I'm sure there is and maybe if we were to back out the extreme cases, what that average will look like without those? Just for the sake of having better perspective on it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:16:55 · ≈ 12:16 PM

We can try and get that for you at the same time we provide that memo. That's going to take a little bit

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:17:00 · ≈ 12:17 PM

of time. That would be helpful, thank you.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:17:04 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Supervisor Wolf? While we're looking for that clarification, when this item first came to us in 2009 I think there were two issues that were pertinent. One was enhanced care and the other was that we would likely be seeing a savings to the Sheriff's Department I think it would be important for us to see along with some of the changes and obviously increased collaboration that you folks are doing, but to also get a sense of the budgetary implications since we implemented this. Where were we in 2010? Where are we now as far as the cost to the Sheriff's Department?

So if we can get that as well, that would be important. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:17:57 · ≈ 12:17 PM

That number is 642. It just may be a problem with where I placed the box on the chart.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:18:06 · ≈ 12:18 PM

Okay, actually it wasn't the 2012 numbers. There's a discrepancy there between 2011 and 2012 when it comes to the pre-adjudicated and so I'll just raise that and maybe you can, you know, when you have a chance you can go ahead and go back and look at that and give us the corrected chart later. Okay. Go ahead. Yes?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:18:26 · ≈ 12:18 PM

You know, Commander Sands I will tell you that I was really impressed with how you guys have stepped it up with the release coordination. Because I think oftentimes that was a big... That was another one of the issues that we discussed last time besides the savings improved level of care The whole release mechanism was somewhat deficient It was almost non-existent And I think you guys have really bumped that up quite a bit. So, I want to give you kudos for doing that because that was a glaring challenge that we identified last time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:19:03 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Thank you. Actually, that brings us to what we're looking forward to and we've been asked what challenges that we continue to face Um, and what we foresee on the horizon. Obviously budgeting and resources continue to be a constant challenge for us. Every agency is being asked to do more with less and it's a reality of the times everywhere. As county specialty clinics are being eliminated, they're requiring us to seek private providers who will agree to see our inmates. In the last year we had 26% increase of non-emergency medical transports for those outpatient and hospital appointments.

A few weeks ago we came to this board to request a sole source contract for medicine to address the unique case in our jail. During that presentation there was a discussion about our ability to bill the inmates, insurance companies for medical costs incurred while they were incarcerated.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:20:02 · ≈ 12:20 PM

Excuse me just a moment Supervisor Wolff.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:20:05 · ≈ 12:20 PM

I just need to interrupt you real quick. The specialty clinics you said that they're being eliminated? Yes. Explain that a little bit to me are you talking about Public health or

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:20:16 · ≈ 12:20 PM

specialty clinics? As of this point, we have no ENT available, ear nose and throat available in public health. The dermatology clinic has closed and the GI clinic has closed so we're seeking providers in the community and some people don't want to take inmates in their clinics. So it's become a real challenge.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:20:40 · ≈ 12:20 PM

Okay, that's an interesting point and I think you're going to start talking about the reimbursement for costs. So if you have an inmate who goes to a private doctor out in the community and they are Medi-Cal, do you get reimbursed for that? If they're seeing a private position outside of the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:21:02 · ≈ 12:21 PM

jail? I was just going to speak to that. It's a negotiated rate, I believe that we have to pay for the private service

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:21:09 · ≈ 12:21 PM

fee and Medi-Cal does not come into play with that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:21:16 · ≈ 12:21 PM

A recent review or snapshot that was taken on March 20th 2012 with inmates that were in custody revealed that 81% of them did not have insurance at all 12% had Medi-Cal Medicare or Medicaid And just under 7% had the private insurance. As the Sheriff mentioned a few weeks ago, once a person is incarcerated, the Medi-Cal, Medicaid and Medicare coverage is suspended.

We don't currently capture the data that allows us to drill down to determine how many of those 7% that are left would have an insurance that would be covered their costs while they're in jail. We are contemplating looking at the new contract with Corizon when it expires next year, to include a position in that contract that will be responsible for billing the insurance companies.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:03 · ≈ 12:22 PM

Supervisor Carpajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:22:05 · ≈ 12:22 PM

Thank you. I guess just a reminder to us as a board that this is one of our legislative priorities, that we are trying to advocate that legislation pass that allows for these indigent incarcerated individuals so that we have access to the resources through Medi-Cal and Medicaid to be able to pay for their the services that they warrant or require medical for their medical and mental health needs. So this continues to be a significant challenge, not only for us here but throughout the country.

And I'm hoping that sometime in the near future it can be addressed. But I wanted to remind us that's something we've identified as a challenge in the past and we're continuing to include in our legislative program and our legislative committee So, but it's really unfortunate and daunting that you know the burden falls on local governments instead of doing what traditionally you do for indigent care.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:23:12 · ≈ 12:23 PM

Supervisor Wolf? Thank you. You just made a statement that's a little because I saw it in the report about not billing private insurance so I'm concerned that we're not doing that right now and we're potentially losing out on another funding source, and that we may have to wait until the contract comes back up to fund a position to do that. I would encourage whoever is in charge of this issue to start looking at immediately how we can start billing folks private insurance for services that they are getting in

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:23:54 · ≈ 12:23 PM

To end on a bright note, AB109 does bring some funding to assist in these gaps and the plan for the 2013-2012 is scheduled to come before the board for the approval next month. I just want to conclude by letting you all know that the professional staff at the Sheriff's Office in Horizon continue to strive to provide top-notch services to those in our care and custody.

We take our obligations to provide seriously, and we are continuously trying new approaches and strategies and learning how to do things better and more efficiently. Thank you.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction3:24:27 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Thank you, Supervisor Wolf. And I'll just add my comments on a bright note and that is to thank you folks and the tour that I had in the jail not so long ago was it was my second or third time but we paid special attention The medical and the psychiatric piece that was going on in the jail. So anyway, I know we're going to be hearing from our constituents and I think the comments that will be made will be important but I just wanted to share you know that one positive piece that you folks are doing in the jail.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:03 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Thank you. All right why don't we go ahead and turn to the public? Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:25:08 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Madam Chairman, Mr. Board, we have nine requests to speak. We'll start with Ben Warren to be followed by Nancy Spear

CommentBen WarrenProposedself-stated3:25:28 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Hi, I'm Ben Warren. I don't have a whole lot to say other than in my honest opinion, I feel that the jail is haunted. And I honestly do feel like there should be a new jail built or an upgrade to new mental health and medical services because I feel that the jail is haunted. And I don' want to take very much time but that's all I really have to say.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:25:59 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Thank you. Our next speaker is Nancy Speer to be followed by Corinne Neal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:26:06 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Ms. Speer?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed3:26:17 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Thank you for having me here today. I had a number of things I wanted to share, but after having heard the prior presentation everything has changed so I'm going to wing this extemporaneously. One, Corizon having contracted with the County of Santa Barbara to provide services concerning mental health and regular medical care in my view is not doing the job that we should be paying someone to do.

In order to ascertain that my son, Ben Warren, the situation he was in nothing was volunteered I was able to acquire a release from him for mental health to talk to me after he'd been there about seven or eight months. No one had told me, no one volunteered that in August he attempted suicide, that he was sent to the PUF. Then again in January until I pulled my hair out and raised a ruckus, no one told me that the reason he had been in the safety cell which I was trying to get him out of was because he had attempted suicide for the second time He was put in the safety cell, which is called the hole because he attempted suicide. Where the logic is in that I don't know. I inquired of Commander Sams and Dr. Bradley two weeks after he had been in the hole for four days, was sent to the PUP unit for a day and a half, sent back to the hole, and spent two weeks not eating, drinking or speaking in the jail.

When I asked them how he was doing, they said he was fine. When I said is he drinking water? They said oh, I don't know. The next day he was at Cottage Hospital being medically hydrated. Then the next day, he was a puff. Now this wouldn't have happened if I hadn't inquired and if I hadn't had a lawyer go and visit him since he'd been denied visitation for six months Prior, we wouldn't have found out the state he was in.

On a cement floor with a thin quilt covering him covered in self inflicted wounds that was the first day of his stay in the hole not speaking in fetal position on a cement floor no cot I don't know anything more about it because I didn't see it thank God I'm glad I didn't see it. But if you think this is a reasonable, where is it? Supervisor Carvajal, what did you say? You said something about reasonable medical health care. This is not reasonable. This is not reasonable. A mass murderer would be treated better than this. Are my three minutes up?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:29:26 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Yes they are. Thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:29:29 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Our next speaker is Corinne Neal to be followed by Meredith McCurt

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CommentCorinne NealProposedself-stated3:29:36 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Yes, hello. My name is Corinne Neal and I'm a community organizer with Families Act. Um, I'd like to say that the experience of being mentally ill in jail...I was in jail in another state and I was mentally ill in jail and that experience is nothing less than terrorization I was humiliated in a variety of ways, the worst of which was being pepper-sprayed and hogtied. My mind was tormented in solitary confinement, my illness playing terrifying games with me and my mind. I was not given medication.

I will never forget the day I heard the guard say, I'm going to put you in the hole. I will do everything in my power to advocate for persons with mental illness so that they can recover without the horrors of jail. Thank you for addressing the issue of mental health care in the jail. Privatization of mental health care at the Santa Barbara Jail is going in the wrong direction.

First of all, it was reported in The New York Times that Corizon, formerly Prison Health, was providing egregious care that was responsible for two deaths. It is time to change. Let's hope that we can change things with regard to housing and the revolving door of incarceration. Money is going down the wrong funding streams, and our citizens are dying of thirst. Do we want to warehouse people in jail cells or give them chances to recover? Isn't spending money to segregate and stagnate parts of the population somewhat like Nazi Germany? Have we lost our hearts to consumerism and greed in this town while people sit in jail cells, lost and forgotten?

Where is the sentiment it takes a village when it comes to the mentally ill? Money should be going to more acute care crisis beds, residential treatment and housing options. Not jails. I stay up nights thinking about jail. We want to set up a citizen's independent oversight committee, and we are dedicated to doing so. Please support us. Someone has to stand up for the rights of the people who have to face the indignity and horror of solitary selves.

I implore you please help us. And I would just like to say a quote from the Bible. Moses wanted to advocate for the Israelites, and he said let my people go. Thank you. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:31:56 · ≈ 12:31 PM

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:31:57 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Our next speaker is Meredith McCurdy to be followed by Suzanne Riordan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed3:32:02 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Good afternoon. My story begins in 1978, a man and his son shared an apartment in Canova Park one night two unknown men broke in beating the man to death and stabbing his son in the back leaving him for dead. A neighbor hearing the attack called the police thereby saving the 18 year old's life that young man is my son he heard his father calling him for help as he died then felt the blade enter his own back This incident caused my son to suffer post-traumatic stress syndrome as surely as if he had been in a combat situation.

Neither the county nor the state offered psychiatric help or counseling of any kind in order to help this young man work his way back to normalcy after this devastating occurrence, no assistance from the victims of violent crimes, no counseling sessions on how to work through his trauma Consequently, for 33 years he has been on a roller coaster traveling an unpredictable ride from sanity and order to manic and psychotic and back again over and over.

He has held jobs acting in a normal manner. He then committed inconsequential crimes and was incarcerated in a never-ending circle. In late 2010 He received visits from L.A. Cole case detectives Jackson and Estepinion. They interviewed him in depth two times, trying to ascertain if he could shed any new light on the 1978 occurrence. This seemed to bring a slide into manic behavior.

He lost his job he had held for a year and a half and showed signs of extreme anger and confusion. He lost his car, all his belongings including his clothes. In August 2011, he lit five trash cans on fire in Carpinteria where he resided. He's been in Santa Barbara County Jail for arson since then and just had his preliminary hearing His sentencing will be April 26th. Had he received help for his mental state years ago, I'm of the firm belief that he would be an upstanding citizen right now.

He has to start his life all over again with assistance from no state agency. Only a warning that if he misbehaves, he will spend five years in prison not jail. He has already spent nine months in Santa Barbara County Jail while the court waited for a psychiatrist report. Will he be released to the streets with no means of finding a place to live or a job? Will he be ordered to continue the medication he was giving in jail And obtain regular counseling without any direction on how to accomplish this.

If this biography does not represent a plea to those who are suffering from mental illness, I would like to quote the Eighth Amendment. The Eighth Amendment protects people from cruel and unusual punishment. In addition it protects the right to treatment for medical problems including psychiatric problems. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:35:15 · ≈ 12:35 PM

so much. Suzanne Riordan to be followed by Sharon Rose. Then we'll go with Sharon Rose, to be followed by Deborah McRoberts.

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CommentSharon RoseProposedself-stated3:35:34 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Good morning. Thank you for reviewing this review today. My name is Sharon Rose, I had a 20 year career in public health program management and community health education. Today I'm working in affordable housing advocacy. I spent almost two years as the interim coordinator of the Santa Barbara County Alcohol and Drug Prevention Program. As the mother of a bipolar and drug using person I have to tell you that my son was turned around by rehab and supportive housing.

Had it not been there, I believe my son would not be alive today. In a terrible car accident, a person was killed when my son was coming home from an AA meeting. He was sober. He was not at fault. But the carnage he witnessed that night triggered Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. He suffered, he started to self-medicate and he did not work. When my family became aware that he was at risk for suicide we intervened.

My son spent months in intensive rehab and a year in supportive housing. Today he is sought after as a facilities manager in Northern California, and he is a triathlete. We are spending more on jail than on what rehab and supportive housing costs. And the problem is it is not working. Jail makes things worse for vulnerable people It removes them from the workforce and makes it impossible to find work.

Vulnerable people are damaged by solitary confinement and lack of proper medical care. The privatization of prison health services with Khorizon means the company must pay attention to its bottom line of profits rather than what is best for human beings and society. As we saw in the case of Ben Warren, who needed to be in a psychiatric unit but when that costs $1,100 or $1200 a day compared to $145 a day in jail, the decision is made for jail.

I want to ask you if you know what these are? These are tortilla chips They're being made by Homeboy Industries Bakery. Homeboy Industries is a bakery that is rehab and job training center in LA. It gives former gang members and substance users a new lease on life and supportive housing. Santa Barbara County is a forward thinking, big hearted philanthropic community. We can and must do better than jail for those who are vulnerable.

I am a professional grant writer and I would be willing to donate pro bono time To helping you find funding for other solutions. Thank you, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:38:39 · ≈ 12:38 PM

Deborah McRoberts be followed by Courtney Payton.

CommentDr. Robert JonesProposed · by introduction3:38:58 · ≈ 12:38 PM

Anyway, first I want to thank you for serving your time and effort. I know that you're trying to do the greatest good for the greatest number in Santa Barbara and I really want to say appreciate it because I know it's not always fun. The second thing is Corizon. First of all, I have a son in jail and he's been there for a year. He has just had his pre-trial and is now They're delaying it again. It's going to be more than a year now because they are not bringing it to trial, because there's three co-defendants.

Three co-defendants that can't be in the same room together which brings up another point of there's a sheriff's treatment program at the jail but co-defendants cannot be in the same room together so that leaves probably half the population not able to get any kind of AA meeting or whatever the sheriff's treatment program is to help with addiction Most of the people I think in jail are duly diagnosed and have some kind of substance abuse problems or some kind of a mental illness.

The other point is that I'm really concerned with Corizon. I'll state, I've got a lot of stuff to say but the stuff about Corizon is that I don't think they should be a self-study. I don't think they have any kind of oversight in the community. They're not from the community. Mental health, not mental. Medical health companies that came together and so I don't think they have a stand in our community. I know they're across the nation but I think that there should be a public anonymous no it should be an impartial public panel that you can put complaints to inmates can complain to anonymously or in the public like me as a mother I call, my son calls me. He gets to call me every once in a while and like he had an infection in his finger. I says well you have a tendency to get cellulitis so you might want to put a kite in.

put three kites in, it's been two weeks. So I went to see him the next weekend and he still hadn't had anything. I called they finally went down to see him and he did get antibiotics finally but you know it was at least three months to a month, I mean three weeks to a month before he did get some help so I mean these are just like there's little tiny incidents about that also he has told me that if he complains it will go back on him so I think that To have some kind of a panel or some kind of, I know there would be volunteers that would do it. I would volunteer everybody in Families Act would volunteer to be on the panel that would take complaints from the jail but I do not think self what was it? Self-study should be, I just think it should be an impartial panel that looks at this not them looking at themselves.

I'm sorry. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:42:04 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Courtney Payton to be followed by Dr. Robert Jones who's our final speaker.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed3:42:17 · ≈ 12:42 PM

I've been a resident of Santa Barbara County since 1998. When I got here, I was blessed with quite a bit of family money from a death and finances were not an issue. I have since left Santa Barbara County twice and come back twice. I've been here consistently since 2006. Since 2006, I witnessed four fires in a row that I feel are definitely crime related and not natural causes and elemental fires and controlled burns And I urge Santa Barbara County to look at homelessness a little bit differently than they usually do.

While there are a great number of mentally ill on the street who are not functional and unable to hold jobs, and unable to take care of themselves or take the steps even start to take care of themselves. There's also a great number of people in Santa Barbara County who Either had money in the past and donated it freely thinking that there would always be money there or are unable to secure all but one job and cannot survive.

For instance, if you have a job just working at a restaurant like Starbucks or McDonald's and you cannot find two or three other jobs, it would be impossible to conduct your life legally You know, still survive. Also I urge Santa Barbara County to look at homelessness from the standpoint that the city needs to start taking accountability for how people end up homeless. When I got back here in 2006, I came out here for an interview with UCSB as the Assistant Student Living Coordinator.

This would have allowed me very comfortably to secure housing and to not be homeless anymore and to have a job in which Thank you. They said, yes we do have an interview for you at least. We must ask you to wait a month. I waited one month they then said they have no funding and no job and no interview. They left me stranded. I feel that they have the first source of accountability When I asked them to house me until I could get back on my feet and make other plans, they said they do not furnish those things.

I then got jury duty which was cancelled so I could not leave the area. I then went to the police and asked for housing. So everywhere I've turned for housing you know I'm someone that used to be in the area with quite a bit of money to spend now I do not and I feel that the city needs to furnish some kind of accountability for this type of population who are well-meaning and have been contributors in a positive way to the city in the past. I also feel that the city needs to take responsibility for securing public funding to separate the mentally ill and dysfunctional homeless from the functional homeless trying to survive.

As far as... Thank you very much. Okay

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:45:46 · ≈ 12:45 PM

Our next speaker is Dr. Johns, and then we have a late request from Andrea Roslinski to speak on this item as well. She'll be our final speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:46:12 · ≈ 12:46 PM

None of this is going to change Not one iota, everything you said will not be heard by this Board of Supervisors. We have to lay blame. When your child acts up, you know what the problem is. You laid blame on that child. You do not dispense the blame out. You know what the issues are. And I lay this blame to you, Carbajal. Unless you get off this board...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:46:45 · ≈ 12:46 PM

Dr. Johns, you're speaking to all of us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:46:47 · ≈ 12:46 PM

You're the person. Oh okay. I lay blame to all the supervisors but we know which one who violates the Department of Mental Health guidelines and this attorney here misrepresents those guidelines. I've been here long enough to know that The Department of Mental Health says that every person who comes for mental health services has to be served and that's the issue.

That's the big issue here today, that you will not release the funds and you use this attorney here to manipulate that issue. We've got to lay blame. Now what has to happen after this? Every person who can hear my voice write a letter to the Attorney General saying that this County Board of Supervisors is violating the Department of Mental Health State of California guidelines, every person who comes in.

Now this supervisor here Is the protector. He is the protector of the budget. He could care less about any issue that was stated here today and we have to lay blame. That's the only way we can get this man out of this account. Doctor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:48:19 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Johns, your time is up. Please leave the podium.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:48:22 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you supervisors and do you Carbo Hall?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:48:30 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Our final speaker will be Andrea Rosalinski.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:48:42 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Good afternoon, it's kind of a little hard for me but like I thought a few years ago the ACLU sued the city of Santa Barbara Putting, giving illegal camping tickets because like during April 1st Casa Esperanza closes a hundred of their beds. So where do people go? And in my case it's kind of embarrassing but once I got an illegal now they give illegal lodging tickets which go to misdemeanor and then you end up incarcerated. And I once had one illegal lodging ticket because I was at a park eating free food and then my stuff got wet From the sprinklers, so I slept by Pershing Park. I had only one ticket another time an officer gave me a ticket for waiting for the 645 train when I was actually at hotspots most of the night.

So then the other problem is they write transient right states clearly on my California ID my PO box. They write transient and then it goes to warrant because I guess I wouldn't go to Casa Esperanza Anyway, that's another story. But so I never get the courtesy letter. I spent Friday, Saturday, Sunday and a Monday in jail and they put the handcuffs on too tight. I had an abscess and they didn't give me any medical stuff.

So anyway, I think that we need to stop that revolving door or if they give you like. Anyway there should be like there's a safe parking program maybe there needs to be a safe sleeping program and this woman this morning at Starbucks she wanted to speak her name is Nadine Stolle. She said I Nadine Stolle would like Very much a place to sleep for women, only it is more dangerous for women. Please let us sleep on the second level of the county lot where the safe parking is. We will keep it clean. Never has there been a place for women only that they can stay and not take advantage of.

And her friend David wrote something too. I need a place to sleep where I don't get a ticket. What else? Yeah, and also on the 24th at the Trinity. There's been people like sometimes between 20 and 27 people sleeping in front of the Trinity Church but there is no public... I mean there are no porta-potties and most of time it's quiet and safe but one time somebody got up and punched somebody three times in the face because he said he was snoring. I mean a person that was sleeping but making too much noise got You know, hit in the face three times because he was bothering someone because he was snoring. And I think there needs to be solutions for all these problems. Thank you.

Thanks for your time. Peace.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:42 · ≈ 12:51 PM

All right and that's the end of public comment so we'll bring it back to staff. Do you have any comments that you want to make at this time? Commander?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:51:53 · ≈ 12:51 PM

No,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:51:57 · ≈ 12:51 PM

I don't. Thank you. Any comments from the board? Questions, otherwise this is a receive and file the presentation. Anybody want to make that motion? A motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries thank you very much I appreciate everybody being here and waiting for everybody's testimony And now the board is going to go into closed session. I think that we're just going to have 45 minutes, whatever we're going to do, we're gonna have to do in 45 minutes. We'll be back at 145. I guess we'll have 50 minutes.

Council?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:52:38 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. You have two items on your closed session today. One is anticipated litigation deciding to initiate one case and then you have conference with labor negotiator-employer relations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:49 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Thank you all right.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:59:06 · ≈ 12:59 PM

Today about Mars is that it is a cold world covered in rocks and deserts. And most recently, it's been confirmed to have water ice on its surface. Unfortunately liquid water flowing across the surface of Mars for long periods of time isn't a possibility now because the sun's ultraviolet rays would boil it away if the water didn't freeze first. That being said, the likelihood of Mars once having liquid water on its surface is supported by images that show what appear to be dry riverbeds and by minerals that are formed in the presence of water. Now, just because there's no water on the surface of Mars doesn't mean that it couldn't be right below.

Recent satellite imagery suggests that water may still flow in brief spurts on Mars' surface. Here are two separate pictures of the same crater on Mars. The one on the left was taken in 1999. The one on the right in 2005. Do you see the difference? The one on the right has a new deposit. Perhaps it's frozen water that briefly flowed on the surface. So if there is water beneath the surface of Mars, perhaps there's life too.

After all as far as we know all known forms of life require liquid water so what else can scientists look for to answer whether or not there's life coming below Mars' surface? The answer is methane and it just so happens that researchers have discovered just that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed4:00:18 · ≈ 1:00 PM

We are studying the effluence or release of methane from discrete regions on the planet Mars. This is particularly interesting because the question of whether Mars is still alive, either geologically or through biochemical processes, is one of keen interest to NASA and indeed the entire space science community. Mars is a world that has so far not shown evidence, until now, of gases being released from the subsurface region. But now we have in fact been pursuing that and we have shown that indeed there are sites where Mars is breathing in a way.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed4:00:57 · ≈ 1:00 PM

So, Dr. Mumma mentioned that the methane gas that was discovered could be from one of two sources, either geological in nature or biological in nature. So those are the two different hypotheses. On Earth 95% of methane gas comes from biological sources so is it safe to assume this is probably the case for Mars too?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed4:01:16 · ≈ 1:01 PM

Well, you know it's very risky in science to have two competing hypotheses and in advance suggest that one is more viable than the other. The proper approach and the most productive one, the only way in which you can really obtain objectivity is to treat them as equal in priority follow each hypothesis to predictions and then go and test those predictions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed4:01:42 · ≈ 1:01 PM

Alright then, let the debate begin. Is the methane source on Mars biological in nature or geological in nature? The best way to figure that out is to apply science. But where to start? Perhaps our own Earth can be of some help.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed4:01:55 · ≈ 1:01 PM

The interesting question is if we identify places where methane is produced on Earth, does that tell us anything about Mars? We think it should because in fact the two planets have somewhat similar histories. They both had massive oceans Mars, of course, no longer has an ocean. Earth does and we see many of the same geological constructs on Mars that we see on Earth. Massive shield volcanoes. The first billion years of Mars history it was wet. We know that on Earth during that same one billion year interval life arose and diversified so we have every reason to think that there might be areas on Mars where life did arise. It may still be present in some favored protected regions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed4:02:42 · ≈ 1:02 PM

So how can we find out more? Well, using telescopes works great. But we can only do so much from down here within Earth's atmosphere. Eventually, we're going to need to get much closer to the Red Planet and find out more.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed4:02:53 · ≈ 1:02 PM

These vents or sources of methane are signposts to which we might look and say, okay they're telling us that this is a very active region. This is a place where we could imagine putting a landed spacecraft on the surface for detailed measurements of the organic compounds other than methane that should be released and could tell us whether they're being produced by biology or by geochemistry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed4:03:21 · ≈ 1:03 PM

So the mystery continues, at least for now. Down the line engineers will be working on the next generation of Martian spacecraft and landers that can analyze the Martian surface in areas where methane has been discovered. Data from those instruments may provide the evidence needed for Dr. Mumma or scientists who follow in his tracks to draw conclusions that will support their hypotheses about methane on Mars, or the data may send them back to the drawing board to rethink their ideas. In the meantime, scientists will keep looking for patterns in the red planet and comparing what they observe on Mars to what we know about Earth.

After all, why not get the best of both worlds? Well that's it for now. I'm Thomas Shortridge and this is NASA Launch Pad. Thanks for watching!

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:04:37 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Today on Our World, we're going to learn about... Globie, what are you wearing? X-ray glasses. You know those things don't actually work right? I know, I know. I'd like to have x-ray vision too but there is a space telescope that actually does have x-ray vision. The Chandra X-Ray Observatory. This state of the art space telescope observes x-rays to help us learn new things about our universe.

So what is an x-ray? It's a type of light that has a really short wavelength. Visible light, or the light we can see, has a wavelength that looks like this. X-ray wavelengths are much shorter. This short wavelength allows the x-rays to pass through many objects. That's why doctors use x-rays to look at broken bones. X rays pass through our skin. The x-rays however are stopped by the bone X-ray film can be used to detect the x-rays and the shadow of the things that x-rays cannot pass through.

When you go to the dentist, x-ray pictures are taken so the dentist can see what's happening inside you. X-ray telescopes can be used in a similar way to look at shadows caused by clouds of dust and gas in space. But usually they're used to look at x-ray machines in the universe, such as hot gas produced by the explosion of a star. To see the kind of light that isn't visible with a regular camera. The Chandra X-Ray Observatory is named after an astrophysicist, Subramanya Chandrasekhar or Chandra for short. Chandra made new discoveries on how and why stars change. He was one of the first scientists to combine physics, the study of matter and how it moves with astronomy, the study of objects in the universe. He was awarded the Nobel Prize for his study of stars.

The Chandra X-ray Observatory was launched in 1999. It allows NASA scientists to get a whole new view of the universe, kind of like looking out into space with a pair of x-ray glasses. Stars and other matter in space give off x-rays under certain violent conditions. Scientists can now observe what it looks like when galaxies collide or supernovas explode. Seeing these hot spots in the universe gives scientists information they could never get from taking regular pictures. So why can the Chandra X-ray Telescope capture such brilliant images?

Chandra is the best x-ray imaging telescope ever built. Its power is like being able to read a stop sign at a distance of 19 kilometers! But this special telescope wouldn't work here on Earth. It had to be placed high in outer space. You see, Earth's atmosphere is thick enough that x-rays are not able to reach Earth's surface. Chandra's orbit around Earth is so big that the furthest points of the oval-shaped orbit are about one third of the way to the Moon.

Even at its closest approach to Earth, Chandra's orbit is more than 200 times higher than the circular orbit of Hubble. This gives the Chandra telescope an ability to look for x-rays that are being produced by far away objects in space in a large region of the sky without the Earth blocking its view. With the help of special mirrors and a high resolution camera, Chandra is able to see x-rays in action.

Whoa! That's some incredible x-ray vision, huh Globey? Chandra's observations have led to important discoveries that are accumulating at a rapid rate as Chandra observes hundreds of objects each year. Observations of the collision of two huge clusters of galaxies has helped provide the best evidence yet for the existence of dark matter, a mysterious form of matter that gives off no detectable light but is apparently the dominant form of matter in the universe. Chandra has also been used to probe the geometry of space around black holes and revealed that supermassive black holes can affect an entire galaxy. If Chandra was still alive today, I'm sure he'd be thrilled to see all the amazing information the X-ray telescope is providing us. So the next time you're at the dentist getting teeth x-rays think about the Chandra X-Ray Observatory giving us the inside look at x-ray machines of the universe.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed4:08:52 · ≈ 1:08 PM

Hi. I can do it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:09:26 · ≈ 1:09 PM

Well, I'm continuing to train my body to be as fit as it can be. You know astronauts spend a lot of time on fitness too. Here's a question for you. How much time do you think astronauts spend on fitness while in space?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed4:09:42 · ≈ 1:09 PM

I like to get up and play for 60 a day.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:09:45 · ≈ 1:09 PM

Astronauts spend more than an hour a day on fitness. What do you think that is? Playing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed4:09:51 · ≈ 1:09 PM

for a space marathon. To win the first outer-space bodybuilding competition.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:10:01 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Exercising is a priority in space, almost as important as eating and sleeping. Space exploration is a very important job. In order to do their job effectively, astronauts have to make physical fitness a high priority in their day. Doing this helps them stay healthy when they return from space. In space there's no gravity for their bodies to work against. You might be wondering well why would I want to work against gravity? Well your body working against the pushing force of gravity actually helps keep you fit and healthy.

Without that opposing force in space, our bodies become very lazy. And a lazy body returning to Earth is not a good thing. Hey Globie! Maybe I could get some workout tips from our friends over at the NASA Johnson Space Center. They help keep our NASA astronauts healthy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed4:10:49 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Hi Evan!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:10:52 · ≈ 1:10 PM

I was wondering if maybe you could show us some of the equipment that the astronauts use to stay healthy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed4:10:56 · ≈ 1:10 PM

I'd be really happy to talk to you about the exercise equipment that they have in space. The astronauts have three different pieces of exercise hardware that they use. They have a treadmill, they have a stationary bicycle and they have resistive exercise This is called SEVIS. It's like the astronaut's stationary bike. In space, since they don't have gravity they don't need a seat to sit on. The astronauts just let their bodies float so they have special shoes that can clip into the pedals like that, and now they won't float away while they're exercising.

This is the ARED which is kind of like the astronauts weight lifting machine. Here on the ground, the way we do our weight lifting is we use barbells and dumbbells to provide resistance to make our muscles strong but in space those barbells and dumbbells wouldn't work because without gravity they don't weigh anything So instead they have to use this special machine, ARED.

The way it works is it has these two cylinders and all the air is pushed out of those cylinders and that creates a vacuum so the astronaut has to pull against the vacuum to lift the bar which gives the bar certain amount of weight Behind me is Tevis. This is the treadmill. They use this treadmill to get their aerobic exercise, which is good for their heart and also they use it for strengthening their bones.

In space without gravity, the astronauts would just float off of the treadmill so they have to use bungees like this one and they attach those to a harness And these things will pull the astronauts down and keep them on top of the treadmill so that they can run and get a good workout.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:12:50 · ≈ 1:12 PM

The tread on that machine looks a little different than the one I see at a gym.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed4:12:54 · ≈ 1:12 PM

That's right, this one has stainless steel slats on the belt. They did used to have plastic but when it went up to space with all the astronauts pounding on it every time they ran, the slats, the plastic little pieces of it would break off and float around in space and that's really dangerous because it could get in the astronaut's eyes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:13:14 · ≈ 1:13 PM

So that's a newer and improved version?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed4:13:17 · ≈ 1:13 PM

Yes, we try to do that a lot. We capture mistakes that have happened or damage and we try to make sure that doesn't happen in the future by redesigning old parts or designing new parts.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:13:29 · ≈ 1:13 PM

It looks like you're doing another exercise on that machine.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed4:13:32 · ≈ 1:13 PM

Yes, right now Dr. Lindgren is doing bicep curls. A-Red also has a cable or an exercise rope that comes out of the platform and he can pull on that rope and do several different exercises.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed4:13:45 · ≈ 1:13 PM

NASA's currently preparing for missions back to the moon and Mars. The lucky astronauts that get to participate in these missions will have to exercise in order to stay healthy during these long missions. Who will those astronauts be? Who knows it could be you!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed4:14:11 · ≈ 1:14 PM

Hi, everyone. You.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 33Proposed4:15:07 · ≈ 1:15 PM

Space exploration. The possibilities for discovery are limitless. A tremendous amount of knowledge has been gained since the dawn of solar system exploration, sparking new questions in a quest to learn how did we get here and where are we destined to go? In NASA's Discovery Program, scientists venture deep into their imaginations finding innovative ways to unlock the mysteries of our solar system by answering some of humanity's oldest questions.

How did the planetary bodies of our solar system and cosmic structures beyond our solar system form and evolve? Has life evolved elsewhere in the solar system or are we alone?

CommentMichael NoonanProposedself-stated4:15:51 · ≈ 1:15 PM

Hi, I'm Michael Noonan, Discovery Program Scientist. The Discovery Program is an innovation developed by NASA in 1992 as a means of harnessing the creative energies of America's scientists and engineers to enhance our understanding of our solar system through a series of focused frequent deep space missions. This innovation has proven so successful that Discovery Missions are now considered an integral part of NASA's strategy for exploring our solar system.

Discovery missions are selected through an intense competition involving extensive peer reviews of scientific, engineering, management and cost aspects of proposed missions. These proposals originate as the idea in the mind of a single scientist whom we call the principal investigator, who assembles a team of other scientists, engineers and other experts to prepare these highly detailed proposals that cover all aspects of a mission from its start till its finish.

NASA holds the principal investigator ultimately responsible for both the scientific and technical success or failure of his or her mission. Data and samples returned to Earth by Discovery Missions are a vital resource for future generations. As new analysis techniques are developed, these data are continually reinvestigated yielding new scientific discoveries.

Anyone with an internet connection can access data brought back to Earth by Discovery Missions. Because samples brought back to Earth from deep space are so precious, access to them is more strictly controlled. The results of completed discovery missions enhance our scientific understanding of the origin and evolution of our solar system, the potential for life elsewhere, and the hazards and resources humans will encounter as we move off our planet of origin and out into space.

Findings also lead to new scientific questions, ones we never would have thought of before which in turn inspire new mission ideas. In order to carry out these new missions, NASA will need new generations of scientists and engineers. The Discovery Program is one of NASA's first to require that its missions have a comprehensive education and public outreach plans to bring the thrill of discovery and the excitement of science to students of all ages and the rest of the American public. Hands-on experiences are especially encouraged in order to bring science to life for Americans everywhere.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 33Proposed4:18:07 · ≈ 1:18 PM

Ten discovery missions have been selected since the program's inception in 1992. Half of the missions study unique aspects of small primitive asteroids and comets. Two explore planets, one traveled to the moon. One collected atoms of solar wind, and one will search for Earth-sized planets around other stars. Each discovery mission adds another piece of knowledge to help solve our cosmic puzzle.

Discovery's first mission to depart Earth, the Near-Earth Asteroid Rendezvous or NEAR, later named NEAR Shoemaker honoring planetary pioneer Gene Shoemaker was destined for Eros, the second largest of the near earth asteroids. The four year two billion mile journey to Eros took NEAR through the inner solar system and passed the main belt asteroid Matilda in 1997 For a first close-up look at a C-type carbon rich asteroid, before successfully going into orbit around the 20 mile long stony S type asteroid Eros.

Eros became a celestial laboratory for scientists to answer many fundamental questions about the nature and origin of asteroids, our primary mission goal. Each of NIR Shoemaker's six science experiments contributed in different ways to understanding the structure and composition of EROS. After returning more than 160,000 images and achieving all of the planned science goals, the mission team programmed NIR Shoemaker to descend and land on the surface of EROS to obtain unique measurements of surface composition.

The spacecraft was not designed to be a lander The highly risky yet carefully planned maneuver successfully set the spacecraft down on Eros near Himeros, the asteroid's prominent saddle-shaped depression. Instrument data from this first long term study of an asteroid have revealed Eros to be a cracked yet mechanically coherent rock with a density similar to that of Earth's crust.

Scientists now believe that Eros formed as a chip off a larger asteroidal body Up close, Eros revealed a truly unique and geologically active landscape with many craters altered by mass motions of loose dust and debris called regolith that in some areas is thought to be as deep as a ten-story building. Much of the surface is strewn with millions of boulders, some the size of a house.

The Erosian geology is a complex mix of craters, grooves and ridges as well as exceptionally flat smooth areas of fine regolith called ponds which were not expected. Nearest new and surprising details about asteroids are enticing scientists to seek more answers What are the surface geologies and internal structures of asteroids, and how do they depend on asteroid size?

Perhaps DAWN, Discovery's next asteroid mission will unlock some of these mysteries. A journey in both space and time is planned for Dawn, NASA's first truly interplanetary spaceship. Dawn's expedition includes extended stays at two celestial bodies, something no other spacecraft has yet been able to do. Dawn will travel to the debris-strewn ring shaped asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter There it will conduct a detailed close-in study of Vesta and Ceres, two of the earliest discovered and most massive asteroids in our solar system. Studying these two very diverse minor planets with the same set of instruments will give scientists a snapshot of conditions during the first 10 million years after the genesis of our solar system.

Among the goals of DAWN are to determine the shape, size, surface composition, internal structure and chemistry of Vesta and Ceres. And to better understand the role of size and water in planetary evolution. DAWN is the first discovery mission powered by ion propulsion, an advanced technology that allows it to carry enough fuel and adjusted velocity to orbit and study two asteroids during one mission.

Dawn begins seven months of intensive study at Vesta in September 2011. Then it races one billion miles farther and arrives at Ceres three years later. Dawn will peer into the past to reveal the secrets of early planetary formation. Comets, like asteroids also contain clues to our origins. Discovery's comet missions are beginning to shed light on the conditions present during the earliest time of solar system formation.

Stardust, NASA's first mission dedicated to exploring a comet, ventured deep into space to collect and return extraterrestrial material to Earth to answer key questions about the formation of the solar system. Stardust collected particles of interstellar dust before carrying out its main task, capturing cometary dust during a close encounter with Comet Wild 2 Don Brownlee is the Stardust Principal Investigator.

We were flying as

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close as we dared to the comet. We wanted to collect dust, so the closer we get, the more dust that we find. When they're in the inner solar system near where Earth is, they're actually physically coming apart. The heating from the sun vaporized ices. The ices leave us gas and they release dust and rocks that were glued together by the ices The spacecraft was designed to withstand the impact of a rock about the size of a grape. These rocks are coming at you at six kilometers per second, so it's a very violent collusion with a rock.

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Despite flying through the treacherous coma cloud of Build 2, Stardust performed flawlessly. A clever trajectory maneuvered the spacecraft to within 150 miles of the nucleus An extraordinary substance housed in the tennis racket-sized collector grid called aerogel captured thousands of tiny cosmic particles without altering their shape or chemical composition.

Aerogel is a silica based solid that is 99.8% air and 1000 times less dense than glass, the lightest known solid as listed in the Guinness Book of World Records. After the comet flyby, scientists were stunned by the pictures and the data sent back from the instruments on board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 34Proposed4:25:58 · ≈ 1:25 PM

And the very picture we got down was just a stunning, stunning image. This was a body with huge features on it and these four-and-a-half kilometers in diameter but there were features on it that were a kilometer and a half across and these were big pockets in the surface. The primary ones we saw first we call left foot and right foot because they look just like someone in clown shoes stepped in this surface and left imprints of their left and right foot

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 33Proposed4:26:27 · ≈ 1:26 PM

Images were captured as jets of gas and dust that create the tail were ejected from the comet.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 34Proposed4:26:34 · ≈ 1:26 PM

We expected to see one jet from the comet, and we saw at least 22. Only a false fraction of the comet's surface is actually active but these are the areas where the gas is coming out and squirting jets of dust and rocks out into space

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The best was yet to come, when the samples returned to Earth two years after its close encounter with Wild 2. The return capsule descending from the sky looked itself like a cometary object. And it's this fantastic

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golden colored object getting brighter and brighter and brighter. And it had this tail. The main parachute opened at 12,000 feet.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 33Proposed4:27:32 · ≈ 1:27 PM

The capsule descended in the dark and came to rest in the Utah desert, bringing back to Earth the first particles from a comet for intensive long-term study at the Johnson Space Center. Scientists discovered thousands of comet particles had been successfully captured at the end of long carrot-shaped trails in the aerogel

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 34Proposed4:27:52 · ≈ 1:27 PM

cubes. 98% have these nice particles at the end, and most of them actually see when they get out. So this was a real thrill. This was a very exciting

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time to work on this. The most important thing is that these samples are back on the ground and that they'll be here for generations to come. People who are out there worrying about, you know, what's going to motivate children to go to school and stay in school or learn about science or math? This kind of data set does that. These samples really are a resource not just for data but also for education.

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The Stardust mission has given the worldwide science community an opportunity to analyze the earliest materials that created the solar system Part of the continuing quest to discover the building blocks of life on Earth. Deep Impact carried out an incredibly complex experiment in space, probing beneath the surface of a comet to reveal the secrets of its interior Traveling at 23,000 miles per hour the larger flyby spacecraft released a smaller impactor spacecraft into the path of Comet Tempel 1 with spectacular results.

Audiences around the world witnessed the brilliant release of dust upon impact as dramatic images from both spacecraft were revealed in near real time on NASA TV and over the Internet The Spitzer, Hubble and Chandra Space Telescopes observed from space while an unprecedented global network of professional and amateur astronomers captured views of the impact 83 million miles from Earth.

The mission revealed several surprises about the nature of the nucleus of Tempel 1 and the origin of comets. On approach several bright but short-lived outbursts were detected by the spacecraft and by ground based observers Deep impact found evidence that the nucleus contains regions with different layering, suggesting the union of two or more separate pieces during comet formation.

The comet is porous and fragile. You could pull it apart with your hands. Scientists were surprised to see impact craters, the first observed on a cometary nucleus. This implies a surface millions of years old while nearby there are smooth very young surfaces As expected, scientists detected ice since comets form in the solar system's cold outer regions. But they were surprised to find ice on the surface.

They also found minerals from the hot inner regions of the solar system and carbonates and sulfides that formed at more moderate temperatures. How did they get there? Scientists continue to examine the data. Together with the knowledge gained by other Discovery missions, Deep Impact has contributed to a better understanding of the solar system's formation and the implications of comets colliding with Earth.

The Comet Nucleus Tour, or CONTOUR mission was designed to study two very different types of comets at extremely close range. To dramatically improve our knowledge of key comet nuclei characteristics and unravel their diverse evolutionary processes. Unfortunately contact with the spacecraft was lost six weeks after launch following a propulsive maneuver to send the spacecraft into its comet chasing solar orbit Limited ground observations identified what appeared to be three separate objects near Comtour's expected position.

Four possible causes for the failure were identified, but the probable proximate cause was structural failure of the spacecraft due to plume heating during the embedded solid rocket motor burn. Discovery's moon and planetary missions are helping to understand the connection between the inner planets by conducting close-up studies of the structure and composition of these rocky bodies.

With NASA's first return to the Martian surface in more than 20 years, Mars Pathfinder performed science experiments for nearly three months after achieving its primary goal of demonstrating a low-cost method of delivering science instruments and a small rover to the surface of the Red Planet. After a six month journey, Pathfinder descended through the thin Martian atmosphere using an innovative system of parachutes and retro rockets to slow the lander Enclosed within a giant system of airbags to cushion the impact, it free fell and bounced as high as a ten-story building due to the low Martian gravity.

Once deflated, the airbags opened a path for the Sojourner rover to begin its historic exploration. Rock and soil samples at the landing site were analyzed. Atmospheric and weather conditions were monitored. And Pathfinder conducted the first astronomy studies from the surface of another planet The science teams analyzed extensive data returned on the planet's geology, magnetic properties, mineralogy and geochemistry.

Mars Pathfinder returned more than 16,000 images from the lander and 550 images from the rover. Findings suggest that in its past Mars was warm and wet with water existing in a liquid state and a thicker atmosphere Mars Pathfinder was a great success, providing scientists with large amounts of data, pioneering new technologies, demonstrating the feasibility of launching lower-cost planetary missions and playing a crucial role in advancing NASA's long term plan for Mars exploration.

It also was the first mission to offer real time coverage on the internet drawing an unprecedented 47 million hits in one day The public was riveted by the remarkable photos of Mars and the pint-sized visitor from Earth. More than three decades have passed since Mariner 10 flew by the planet Mercury on a mission that mapped only 45% of the planet's surface.

Messenger will continue the legacy of Mariner with a comprehensive scientific investigation to orbit the solar system's innermost planet for the first time. During its seven-year journey, MESSENGER performs a gravity assisted flyby of Earth, two flybys of Venus and three of Mercury, the most complex set of gravity assists for a space mission. The Mercury orbit phase begins in March 2011.

MESSENGER will map nearly the entire planet in color, capturing never-before seen views and measuring the composition of the surface, atmosphere and magnetosphere. For one Earth year, the spacecraft will be subjected to extreme temperatures from scorching sunlight to the frigid night side and the permanently shadowed poles MESSENGER's seven miniaturized instruments will return data to answer key scientific questions about Mercury's thin atmosphere, its inconsistently high bulk density and the forces that have shaped its geology.

All fundamental to understanding the terrestrial planets and their evolution. ¶.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:51:53 · ≈ 1:51 PM

Everybody, Board of Supervisors is coming back into session again. We're going to be taking up our agenda item number four but before we do that Mr. Marshall we need a report from closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:52:05 · ≈ 1:52 PM

Thank you Madam Chair your board heard both noticed closed session items and there are no reportable actions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:52:12 · ≈ 1:52 PM

All right, thank you. So we'll go ahead and have Mr. Allen read the item into the record please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:52:17 · ≈ 1:52 PM

Madam Chair, members of the board, Item 4 is from the County Executive Office's hearing to consider recommendations regarding the mentally ill and homeless recidivism cost analysis.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:52:26 · ≈ 1:52 PM

Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Buzanich

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 36Proposed4:52:29 · ≈ 1:52 PM

Good afternoon, Chair and members of the Board. It's my pleasure to start off this discussion by presenting a report on cost comparative analysis between incarceration and providing supportive services to members of our community that are mentally ill and homeless. It is important to note at the outset that this report is designed to address the specific questions of the grand jury In its response, it's really intended to be a 10,000 foot view and provide the board with the opportunity to provide further direction to staff.

It was not requested by the grand jury to be an expansive look at all of the costs that may be incurred in supporting homeless individuals. There would simply not be, there would simply be too many variables and too many factors to assess in this kind of a report. It's also critical to recognize that Roger Heroux's report in 2006 As well as the Bringing Our Community Home report and the findings from the Common Ground Research Project were utilized in the original Grand Jury Report. And we are foundational to both this report you'll receive today, as well as to the grand jury's findings.

And in those reports they also provide a very thorough analysis of some best practice options that could be considered by your board. It really is presented today finally as a snapshot comparison of the core services necessary to move former inmates from homeless to housed, housed to treated, treated to employed and ultimately employed to engaged. So with that, I just want to give a brief amount of background. You'll recall that last May the Grand Jury provided the community with a report on looking at the issue of homeless mentally ill and indigent recidivism as a concern that the Grand Jury thought important to look at and examine in particular.

The real thesis of their report was to acknowledge that there is a cost differential between the provision of treatment and housing and other supportive services, and the costs of incarceration. On October 4th, your board was provided with a series of responses and one of those recommendations we were asked to come back and compare very simply the incarceration costs to the cost of providing these stabilized services.

A couple things that we want to take into account is, again, as background as we consider the population that we're addressing and that the grand jury addressed in their original report. First of all is that recognizing The common ground research, the vulnerability factors and that we make sure that we recognize that these vulnerability factors are key indicators of people at risk due to their homeless and perhaps their mentally ill status as well as perhaps their substance abuse. And other medical conditions that make living on the streets very very difficult.

We have to also acknowledge that in this way, there is a range of disorders from what might be termed severe to conditions that might be more self-coordinating where the individual has much more ability to take care of themselves and access services. We recognize that co-occurring both the presence of alcohol or other substance abuse along with mental illness occurs for probably about 72% of the severe population That according to the current records that approximately 77% of this population have spent some time in jail.

And that when we look at the resources that are available to this population, we do as a county with County General Fund dollars 100%. We do provide general relief, that's the GR on the slide there which is equivalent to $91 per month maximum. In addition to that $91 grant, which is good at its initial outset for only three months unless determinations are made that because of health conditions or other conditions they could be extended.

They could also qualify for as much as $200 in CalFresh food stamps. Or if, and we have our Department of Social Services staff which actively work to help people transition from those basic supportive resources to our SSI, our social security insurance system. Which for those who are disabled provides you with as much as $625-$938 per month. At that moment in time, both your general relief grant and your food stamp grants would end as you qualify for SSI.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction4:57:48 · ≈ 1:57 PM

Supervisor Wolf. Mr. Bazzano, today in the Los Angeles Times they actually touched on that last piece that you mentioned in what the County of Los Angeles is doing and that they have made a concerted effort to work with folks to get them on SSI and so I was wondering If you know or if someone from social services can tell us if we're doing anything specific to work with that, the general relief population. I think you talked a little bit about it in your staff report about how long it takes to get someone onto SSI and the process but I'm wondering if there's more outreach into that general relief population?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 36Proposed4:58:39 · ≈ 1:58 PM

Chair Farr, Supervisor Wolf. Absolutely. So just to build upon that it takes approximately 12 months to qualify somebody for SSI anywhere from 6-12 months depending on the conditions a lot of that is getting qualified medical opinions about their level of disability whether or not its going to be persistent and so on. The advocacy work that our DSS staff does allow for the conversion I believe the number is 7% approximately a month of those that are on General Relief to be converted to SSI. And so while that seems like a relatively low percentage, it is a significant percentage and if I've misstated that and there's somebody here from DSS please correct me make sure I have that absolutely correct but I believe that is the number about seven percent are converted And I don't know what Los Angeles County's percentage was.

I did not see that article today, but it is a very intensive process. I know from my previous work in other counties it is rather difficult time-consuming work to do the level of documentation it takes to qualify for that federal assistance program.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction4:59:55 · ≈ 1:59 PM

Thank you for that information. I just, just to follow up and maybe at a later time you can provide us with you know maybe over time what where our county is and maybe do some comparisons with other like-sized counties. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 36Proposed5:00:11 · ≈ 2:00 PM

very much. Chair Zuber, I'd be happy to work with our DSS staff to provide you with that information So as we begin to move from those areas of a little understanding about the population and a bit of what's available to them in the community, the cost analysis moved very specifically into the request of the grand jury which was to look at the areas of stabilizing or supportive services to help move people from their time as an inmate in our county jail. How do we move people to stabilize them Places where they could be housed, where they can receive treatment for their mental illness and or any other co-occurring substance abuse challenges they may face.

And working with our partners in the City Housing Authority, working with our own ADMHS staff, working with our public health staff we were able to identify these basic costs and it's important to recognize here that these are meant to be Again, as I mentioned at the outset, 10,000 foot costs average per person per year and are certainly not inclusive of all of the kinds of treatment that an individual may require. But it does provide kind of a price comparison for those basic core services. Again, costs in the PUF, costs in other higher levels of care Could cost significantly more than this annual cost that you see here. But we've identified approximately $33,500 per person per year to provide those stabilizing services.

When we look at the cost then of incarceration, and these statistics come to us from our sheriff's department. And we looked at all of the housing security and other services it takes including food service approximately $36,000 a year in the jail. Mental health evaluation and treatment services average out to just over $4,000 per individual per year. And the cost of medical treatment including prescription drugs equals out to approximately $4200 a year. So we see here an average cost per person of approximately $44,500.

When you look at that in a bar chart and graphically represent that, what you see is approximately a 25% gap between the costs of the jail and jail provided mental and medical services. And then when you versus those stabilizing services from either our own county partners or our own county agencies. Some of the challenges that we face as we looked at this information is that one, we have to recognize that even at that price of $11,000 approximately per year for providing housing services. We have extremely limited capacity on any given day of being able to have somebody be released from jail and be able to find an appropriate housing bed for that particular day or evening.

Our capacity is near full. And so as we look at the cost of this, it's important to note that the $11,000 per year was presuming that there's a bed available, a slot available for that individual to receive housing services and currently that is very, very, very limited. Second thing we want to make sure that we really examine is the level of service effectiveness.

As many of you would take note in the grand jury report, it mentions the impacts of legal recidivism where folks are looking at and identifying that they're returning to jail There are also people that go through several courses of treatment as they seek to resolve and to work on their mental health issues, their substance abuse issues. And so the question of service effectiveness, how many times somebody might need to cycle through these services obviously has a significant impact about the cost per person. So we don't want to miss that as we look at these cost comparisons.

And I think the last piece that is of particular interest for all of us, and you heard mention of it fairly extensively in your report this morning just prior to the lunch break as we talked about the mental health and medical services in our county jail. The importance of transitioning people doing effective transition planning and then effective transition execution upon an inmate's release from our county jail Making sure that transition is as effective as possible in aligning people with the services they had been receiving while in custody and as they move back out into the larger community. And our staff here has done great work at being able to identify as many opportunities as possible to create that transition. It's a constant working process Everybody is highly committed to that work on our county staff, to continue that.

And as we go forward, we recognize that there are a number of community partners that we could bring to that effort of effective transition planning and effective transition execution. So to wrap up our presentation before answering any questions you might have, we just ask you to accept and file the staff report. We did offer a letter that we'd like to have the chair sign to be able to return this to the presiding judge and to the foreperson of the grand jury. And then if the board were to so desire provide any possible further directions to county staff. That concludes my presentation.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.775:06:13 · ≈ 2:06 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you very much Dennis, I think this spelled out a lot of interesting things especially the cost savings that could be possible if we had a perfect world But it did bring up something for me that was interesting to me is that as we build the new North County Jail, if we receive the funding and we move forward with that. We're talking about maybe the jail being completed in about 2017 and I know this is coming out of right field. I haven't talked to you about this yet but this is just something for us to chew on possibly As we move more of our inmates from our downtown jail up to the North County Jail as it's built, what I'd like to see maybe is using that jail now or at least some of the open space in it as a hybrid where we'd be able to have mentally ill folks there or people that are normally incarcerated in the jail.

But have a different type of setup. And I know there'd be some major hurdles to overcome as far as sentencing and who's going to watch them and that sort of thing, but who is going to supervise? So they're not in an incarcerated situation. The sheriff has told us many times that the jail is not a good place to have mentally, obviously it doesn't work for the mentally ill and the mentally ill are not good for the jail but as room becomes available in that area I'd like to see us take a look at some sort of whether it's more of a hospital setting or a place where people can get more treatment instead of you know a punishment situation I just think that's something for us to chew on as we get down the road in the next few years. I just think it'd be an interesting situation.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:08:10 · ≈ 2:08 PM

Thank you, Supervisor Lavinino. Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed5:08:12 · ≈ 2:08 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. I think Supervisor Lavinino raises a good point. As long as the status quo mainstream paradigm exists, I think as we look to making some really hard decisions Whether we're going to build this jail or not, if we end up building the jail I think we really need to look at assuming the status quo is that a good part of our inmates have mental illness. We do need to find a way of building a special wing or a special part of it that is more conducive to the supervision and the characteristics associated with treatment of mental illness.

Of course, that's knowing the reality that we're facing. That it's very likely we're not going to be able to fix our problem by tomorrow, by the time we build this jail, the way we would like to do it. But I really think that what this report illustrates is that—and I think everybody would agree—our law enforcement families, that the best thing to do is try to find a way to not have our mentally ill go to jail.

And I think we raise a lot of good figures and comparisons that could provide a different paradigm of treating these individuals, and I obviously don't want to create any false expectations but without a strategic plan and without Elevating the issue, this becomes a report that we just put on file and we say you know what? We could have spent less and we could have treated more in a much moral and better fashion people who face, who have mental illness.

If we would have done this, provided more housing opportunities. Done this, done this, done this. We know we don't get all the resources from the state or the federal government. We know that and that's probably the biggest thing that's hamstringing us. That we don't have all the resources even if we know what it takes. We don't have the resources to make it all happen so that we can provide this new paradigm. That's the unfortunate reality and that's why I say I think Supervisor Lavinino is providing a pragmatic Concept to consider as we consider building this jail, but I think it shouldn't stop us from taking Albeit baby steps in that direction To continue to bring the build on the capacity of more housing the common ground plan Identified what we need to do.

But unless we really look at some creativity and put some effort into And maybe provide some leadership as a task force or something. Not giving false expectation, but I think working in good faith towards a new paradigm we're never going to get there even a little bit and I think it would be worthwhile to really give that some thought. But again just want to appreciate Supervisor Lavanino's concept the reality is we're probably not going to change it in time so let's try to provide a better service for folks that are incarcerated who have mental illness in whatever new jail we end up building if we end up voting to do that.

And two, in the meantime let's just not let this report go to the shelf. Let's really see if there is a few things we can do to make things just a little bit better in terms of our capacity to address these issues.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:12:02 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Thank you, Supervisor Carbajal. I'm going to go to Supervisor Wolf and then after that I'm going to do some agenda management. Go ahead.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction5:12:09 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Okay, I just... You know, I hope the folks that are here will stay for our next item when we talk about the realignment program because what I think or what I know that that program does is it does look at the individuals in certain instances that are coming into the jail And through evidence-based information and with a core team evaluating the people who are coming into the jails and looking at their sentencing, some of those folks are not going to be incarcerated in the jails. It wouldn't be appropriate for them to be incarcerated in the jails so that there is a program for them to be out into the community with supervision.

We are starting this program. I think that the Sheriff's Department, Probation Department, Mental Health Department working together to get us to the point that we're at right now and hopefully even improving the statistics. I think the idea that was presented is an interesting idea and one that could be pursued, but honestly we can't wait. And I think our state government realized this.

So realignment as we will hear is working. And it will take care of a lot of the folks who don't belong in jail. Some people, I think we can all agree based on what they did they do belong in jail but there are certainly others who don't and I think right now with the program that we have they will be getting those services that they need to keep them together and to help them with supportive services and also with housing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:14:02 · ≈ 2:14 PM

Thank you Supervisor Wolff Okay for everybody who's here and listening the Board of Supervisors has an unusual situation today in that. We have a time certain to be at the Emergency Operations Center at 3 o'clock. And we have 14 public speakers, so it appears to me that we really are not going to get to item number 5 today and I'm really sorry about that but I do think that we should probably consider making a motion to continue that until May 8th when we have time on the agenda.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed5:14:36 · ≈ 2:14 PM

Some of them chair I don't know there's public speakers that we have to allow her. We

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:14:42 · ≈ 2:14 PM

motion and a second all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. All right so now before we go to the public, I hate to do this, I don' t think I've done it yet since I've been chair but I'm going to have to cut everybody to two minutes rather than three We're going to start with public comment on the ten year plan. So I'm going to go ahead and start public comment. Madam chair for speakers Michael Cravens be followed by

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:15:28 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Andrea Roslinsky, she's not in the room. Darla Kaiser?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:15:35 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Darla Kaiser?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:15:39 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Ronald Caldwell?

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Actually I think she's here. Darla

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Kaiser to be followed by Ronald Caldwell.

CommentMichael CravensProposed5:15:52 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Hi, I'm the director of the Consumer Advocacy Coalition. It's a consumer-led organization about people who are mentally ill. What is the cause of mental illness and recidivism? To the mentally ill, the health consumer is too high. Mental health care is extremely important. Proper care can keep people out of jail and mental health consumers who are in jail need counseling and discharge planning.

Too many homeless people and mentally ill are in need of these services. Lack of these services is a disgrace to Santa Barbara which is one of the wealthiest communities in the United States. It is time that Santa Barbara woke up to the less fortunate. The latest statistics is that 49% of Americans live at the poverty level. Homelessness can only happen to anyone, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:16:50 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Thank you very much.

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Ronald Caldwell will

CommentRonald CaldwellProposedself-stated5:16:55 · ≈ 2:16 PM

be followed by Emily Allen Hello, good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. My name is Ronald Caldwell. I'm currently a part-time employee at Casa Esperanza. I do some work with Families Act. I am also at the SVCC in the ADC program currently. I used to live at Casa Esperanza. I ended up there from Skid Row downtown Los Angeles. And I've lived at Casa Esperanza, I stayed at Salvation Army. I've lived in Sober Livings and I currently reside over at the Victoria Hotel.

I've had an opportunity to witness some people that have been housed last year in theory it was a wonderful program where they house the most needy homeless people but I think if we check and see how many of those people still have their housing the numbers would be astounding I've had the chance to witness several people with housing and after two or three months, they're still sleeping in sleeping bags and they still have their clothes in plastic bags on the floor.

Are we setting them up for failure? That's my question. It's as though we house them and then we expect them to exist like normal everyday people. These people have to be in a transitional residential treatment program prior to being housed or else we're setting up them up to fail, and what's going to happen is that their mental health issues are going to accelerate and they're going to go deeper into depression and the use of the drugs that they were using before because they've experienced failure yet once again. We have to set them up to succeed And this means to teach them, get up in the morning, make up your bed, brush your teeth, take a shower, wash your clothes.

These are the things that It's an institution just like being incarcerated or coming back from the war. These people have to be handled with kid gloves and transition back into housing, or else, like I said we're setting them up for failure once again. There has to be something in place.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:19:02 · ≈ 2:19 PM

Thank you so much. I appreciate you being here and waiting for your comments.

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Emily Allen to be followed by Lois Hamilton.

CommentEmily AllenProposedself-stated5:19:09 · ≈ 2:19 PM

Good afternoon Supervisor Chair Farr and supervisors. My name is Emily Allen. Yeah, he's taller. My name is Emily Allen and I'm a lawyer and I do legal outreach to people who are homeless And so I do feel like I have a lot to say about Homeless mentally ill recidivism although I think I'm gonna try to edit my comments down to the two minutes a little and just you know say there's there's a very recent report by the United States Interagency Council on homelessness And it's entitled, I'm trying to find this now, Searching Out Solutions, Constructive Alternatives to the Criminalization of Homelessness. And I think this report is definitely worth looking at. It really shows that we're doing a lot of the solutions they've identified we're doing in our county but some of them were not doing to the extent that we could.

Some of them we do need to actually do here And from the creation of a seamless system of care to collaboration and restorative justice, we do know what we need to do here. With the last budget cuts, the social workers at the Public Defender's Office that's probably looking at this report for a holistic public defender's office. That's probably one of the things that we would need to restore.

We also, I think we really need to consider in this cost analysis report they talk about the limited housing capacity and the high cost of developing supportive housing. But one solution is to do what's called scattered site housing which is leasing units from non-profits or even private landlords which is what we already do and what other communities do effectively. And when that's coupled with supportive service and mobile outreach It can be a very effective way to house people without having to actually develop expensive new units of housing. So my main point is that we're doing some things right, but we need to keep working. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:21:16 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Thank you.

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Lois Hamilton to be followed by Deborah Barn.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:21:22 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Hello, my name is Lois Hamilton. I really appreciate you listening to us today. I have been newly elected the new president of the Board of Directors for Families Act and I just can't say enough about this wonderful organization of families working to keep their loved ones who are duly diagnosed mentally ill with secondary problems of drug abuse, alcoholism Out of prison, out of jail and into treatment.

So this wonderful group has put together an incredible report that actually goes over all of the model programs in other communities. It goes over what we recommend as the best thing to do for with this money. We believe that this AB 109 has provided an opportunity to shift our community from punishment to rehabilitation And this is the most important thing. With six to seven million coming in, we need what the Community Corrections Partnership decides to do with six to seven million dollars will affect our entire community.

And we're just here to advocate for a different paradigm, different way of going about this to help these people. Transitional Ron talked about transitional housing out of jail instead of just putting them in the housing to just not know what to do with themselves. So anyway there's just many things. This Families Act report is called In Search Of resolutions to Santa Barbara's revolving door. And I just really hope we dropped off copies to your offices today, and I just really hope that you will find the time to sit down and really read this because a lot of research has gone into this.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ms Hamilton. Deborah Barnes.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:23:20 · ≈ 2:23 PM

It appears that she is not in the room. Maureen Earls? To be followed by Michael Foley.

GuestMaureen EarlesSheriffProposedself-stated5:23:35 · ≈ 2:23 PM

I'm Maureen Earles representing CLU, Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice. And CLU strongly recommends that the report by the Sheriff's Department on the analysis of supportive housing versus jails for the care of those who are mentally ill and without homes be determined incomplete We recommend that it be sent back for rewriting, requiring the engagement of Bring Our Community Home which includes professionals from Housing Authority and from the Mental Health.

CLU has participated with Bring Our Community Home meetings since the very beginning and we believe this collaborative model approach for problem solving issues and settling directions for housing of our most vulnerable Hundreds of our faith communities volunteer in serving this population daily, in shelters and common ground activities and in partnership with supportive housing. And we interact with the Housing Authority and mental health providers regularly and see the consequences of government decisions on those we serve.

And we believe and have seen supportive housing, not jails is the most compassionate, effective and efficient model. And that the analysis of professionals working with this supportive housing model need to have a voice in this county board as it considers the direction for the county in caring for this most fragile group. Thank you. Thank

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you.

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Michael Foley and then we're going to go to Santa Maria for Mike Cordero.

PresenterMichael FoleyBring Our Community HomeProposedself-stated5:25:23 · ≈ 2:25 PM

Madam Chair, members of the board. My name is Michael Foley. I'm the co-executive director of Bring Our Community Home. I have my Bring Our Community Home hat on today and I am representing the Board of Bringing Our Community Home and our Co-Executive Director Sylvia Bernard today. We want to thank Mr. Bozonich and the staff for creating this report. Much in the report is very good and very helpful. The background component of the agenda letter is incredibly good and the whole effort is commendable.

The problem with the report is that it is not yet complete. Please send the report back for more work involving all of the stakeholders. When you approved bringing our community home, you asked the experts to deal with issues exactly like this. BOCH was not asked to engage in this process. Some government-based members of the BOCH were asked to provide data, but there's a big difference between asking questions and engaging in a process that develops the right questions to ask. This is what the grand jury was talking about when they called for better community involvement in this issue.

This report correctly concludes that the development of housing is a vital factor to ending the revolving door of mentally ill homeless in the jail. But investment in supportive services paramount. Housing providers will not and should not house chronically homeless mentally individuals if supported services are not available vigorously and simultaneously. Less supportive services means less housing for the homeless mentally ill. This report concludes, quote, because of treatment effectiveness in a variety of funding sources it would not result in equivalent savings to the county to fund supportive services. Information pouring in from around the country shows that this is not accurate. That information is absent from this report. The report also states that the cost to create each additional unit of supportive services costs in the range of $95,000-$170,000.

This is only true for new construction. It is not true for the Pathways to Housing model. Pathways employs scattered site housing, most often accessing existing housing stock. This model costs $28,000 per year rather than $32,000 per year and 80% of those housed are still housed a year later and many move on to less costly alternatives. And this is research that is proof that that is true, independent research.

And this is the new Housing First model that can be purchased at Amazon.com. This is the playbook. So, supportive service and housing numbers here in this report are too high. Incarceration costs however are too low. These costs should include police costs from the time of arrest. Time, booking, Santa Barbara restorative policing, court costs, attorney costs Restorative court costs, emergency room and ambulance costs. Those all have to do with incarceration. Until those costs are included the picture is incomplete and the cost is too low.

Service delivery information in the report is confusing. Probation staff accurately state that the service providers do not have the capacity to meet the need and the demand but this report claims that they quote continue to meet lower barriers of access through effective referral management Last week, a 73-year old woman was forced to sit in an emergency room hospital bed for 72 hours on a 5150 hold before an emergency psych bed became available. Before that one man sat in Cottage Hospital for six days waiting for his 5150 treatment. Referring people to services that cannot accept them is not effective referral management and the problems compound. The report also misses the phenomena of compounding. When supportive services are not adequately available, not only do the same people revolve through the system over and over again but new people join in.

Crisis levels compound and the numbers compound. You need look no further than the year-over-year ADMHS response numbers to see that. And ask Lompoc about compounding just six weeks after the Bridge House closed. Thank

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you Mr. Foley

PresenterMichael FoleyBring Our Community HomeProposedself-stated5:29:34 · ≈ 2:29 PM

I will send you my full comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:29:36 · ≈ 2:29 PM

Please, thank you.

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We're going to go to Santa Maria for Mike Cordero and then back to Santa Barbara for Nancy Spear. Thank

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CommentEmily Allen HelloProposed · by introduction5:29:49 · ≈ 2:29 PM

you Madam Chair and County Supervisors for listening to me today. I'm here mainly to lend some support to everything that you heard Mr. Foley testify to as well as which I didn't get to hear him testify to. And one of the more alarming concerns for me personally is that should the recidivism rate go up and the compounding element that he was going to refer to, it elevates the services that we have to provide in our individual cities and of course that affects our individual budgets as well as it does yours. So thank you very much and like I said I'm here mainly to support the comments Mike Foley as a fellow block board member. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:30:33 · ≈ 2:30 PM

Thank you Councilman.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:30:35 · ≈ 2:30 PM

Back to Santa Barbara for Nancy Spear. To be followed by Debra McRoberts.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:30:49 · ≈ 2:30 PM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed5:30:50 · ≈ 2:30 PM

as she speaks. Thank you again for letting me speak again. I'm thinking based on some of your report about the importance of the Sheriff, Probation, County Mental Health and you, the Board of Supervisors working strenuously together on this issue because one I believe by before 2017, we could make some huge changes in the way the system works. And maybe I'm naive but the more the public learns about the issues of mental health and how serious it is, and how so many of the people in our jails have mental health issues. The more likely we are to have funding and revenues reallocated to treat those mentally ill which would reduce the number, the criminality of our culture would reduce the number of people needing to be incarcerated and could put them, as the two supervisors mentioned in healthy facilities where they could get the treatment they need.

This would cut down on the needs for revenues later too because if we're treating people for mental illness instead of treating criminals Well, obviously we have to treat some criminals but the balance is off. It seems so obvious to me that something's broken and as Sharon Rose said in the press conference today, we have to break the pattern. We're doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result and that's insane.

We've got, if you have the power to help realign the way these revenues are being allocated and get more money to the people who are servicing our mentally ill. Thank

CommentElsa GranadosProposed · by introduction5:32:58 · ≈ 2:32 PM

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed5:33:00 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Okay thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:33:02 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Our next speaker is Deborah McRoberts followed by Corinne Neal

CommentDr. Robert JonesProposed · by introduction5:33:06 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Hi, thank you again. I'm Deborah McRoberts. I have a couple points. Number one, 72% has dual problems in jail. Why not take that 72% out of jail? Put them in treatment programs and then you wouldn't need to build a new jail. I think if we build something, we should build something with trees and plants and actually have the mentally ill or people in mind that could use that.

You've noticed that they've done stuff, well I'm getting beside myself but okay so why not treatment housing? We've already established it would cost less than incarceration then I think we need a really We should start at the top, which is crisis beds. They shouldn't go to jail in the first place if they're having a crisis of mental illness or drug abuse. They should have crisis beds to go to be evaluated before they get into the jail system. Number three, four is I think we could start while they're in jail. We have a captive audience in jail. They will listen in jail and they want to learn in jail because they want to get out of their cells. So why don't we start there with making them make the right choices? That would help their families too.

The other thing is people should not have felonies for what they put in their body. A substance that goes in their body should not be a felony. We're making criminals out of our sick people, basically. And number six is that Families Act has been working on this problem for four years now And we are the families that actually know what is going on because our sons and our daughters are in prison. So I urge you to read the report and listen to us, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:34:53 · ≈ 2:34 PM

Thank you. Corinne Neal to be followed by Linda Schad.

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CommentCorinne NealProposedself-stated5:35:02 · ≈ 2:35 PM

Hello, thank you for addressing this important issue. My name is Corinne Neal and I'm a community organizer with Families Act. I'm also a master's level social worker and I had a 3.9 average in school and have enjoyed a life of safety and stability but my illness caused me to become homeless several times And I wanted to just kind of share some of the experience of what that's like. There are three things I want to emphasize. Hunger, hunger hurts.

I don't know if you've ever gone so hungry that your stomach is just really hurting you. You can get onion rings from Hamburger Habit for $1.70. That's like the cheapest meal if you panhandle. I found myself eating the fries out of the trash can many times. Blisters, it's hard to get shoes that fit you and blisters can be a very serious situation if they get infected. That happened to me in danger. I was once out on the street and I was with an individual and he said to me, I want to tell you something, I'm seriously disturbed.

And I just would like to say that I want to encourage better intervention at the point of arrest, that the CARES is utilized and people are evaluated at the point of arrest or evaluated at the point of crisis. That's what I'm trying to say when someone calls regarding someone in crisis that they get the help they need through CARES or someone intervening in a mental health capacity so that people aren't arrested so often.

And I just want to say That homelessness is something that is unfortunate and I hope that through this report people become more educated and we find solutions to this problem of recidivism. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:37:02 · ≈ 2:37 PM

Thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:37:05 · ≈ 2:37 PM

Linda Shah, to be followed by Suzanne Riordan.

CommentElsa GranadosProposed · by introduction5:37:12 · ≈ 2:37 PM

First let me excuse Please excuse my voice. I lost my voice a couple of weeks ago and I still haven't found it yet. First off, I'd like to say even if the cost analysis showed that incarceration and alternative treatment were exactly the same amount Warehousing people doesn't make the situation any better. When they're released, they come out either just as damaged or even more so because incarceration is a very damaging environment especially for those that have mental instability. People decompensate even further in an incarceration condition To refer to a gentleman's report as far as getting people onto assistance SSI.

When they're incarcerated, they don't receive any benefits. If we could set up a program maybe modeled on HICAP instead of wasting $1 million in one year to only get 10 people. enrolled in SSI have a high cap maybe program that would get people for free. It wouldn't cost $1 million to only get 10 people with benefits. There are many, many programs I've researched There are successful models that cost a great deal less than what this gentleman's audit shows for alternative treatment and integrated programs like the Lancy Street in San Francisco, and the Village in Long Beach or even Homeboys in LA.

As a society, we treat animals, abused and neglected animals better. We have better laws and enforcement for the abused and neglected animals than the way we treat our own abused and neglected citizens. I have a lot more I could say but my time

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is up.

CommentElsa GranadosProposed · by introduction5:39:23 · ≈ 2:39 PM

Thank you so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:39:23 · ≈ 2:39 PM

much for your attention. Thank you so much. And again as we have with other speakers if you have comments that you want to submit in writing now or later, we'd be very happy to have them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:39:33 · ≈ 2:39 PM

Suzanne Riordan to be followed by Dr. Robert Johns.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 37Proposed5:39:37 · ≈ 2:39 PM

Good afternoon, well it's music to my ears to hear Supervisor Cabajal use the words new paradigm. The new paradigm is so overdue but we don't want it just to be words. We want to put action behind those words. We don't want to wait until 2017 or 18 and end up spending all of our money on a new jail. We're ready to go now You've got this community behind you, Supervisor Cabajal. And we're going to hold you to what you said. We're ready to go. We have ideas, concrete ideas. We commend the county for having ordered this report that compares the prices. Who knows whether they are exactly accurate? But you can't represent the amount of suffering that goes into incarcerating people who should not be incarcerated in a dollar figure anyhow.

So, we want to put on a community forum in the month of May. We're hoping that at least some of you will participate. We think the city needs to be involved as well because some of these problems are affecting the city and all of us. The cost to law enforcement, we need more restorative policing for example and the cost to all of us in terms of homeless on the street. We're interested in helping people who are not yet homeless as well So we've got some very concrete ideas. All of us as a community have thought long and hard about this. We have innovative models to propose, models that have worked really well in other communities.

And for example, not all of them are going to cost a fortune. We could start with sober living houses. We have a proliferation of sober living houses in this town and I've talked to some of the people who run them. A jobs training program. We could add a little case management, some volunteering work to help people break that cycle. The whole idea is to break out of the cycle. The jail is not the place for many of these populations and we're going to make sure that we turn it around.

Thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:41:27 · ≈ 2:41 PM

Thank you. Dr. Johns will be followed by Amanda Devlin

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:41:49 · ≈ 2:41 PM

I think the whole board has received a new paradigm which I think this board needs to act on. Now, a serious flaw, one that is interrupting our new paradigm is the lack of a supervising psychologist and Also, there should be a clinical psychologist in that jail. And that would add to creating this new paradigm. If you realize the services that a clinical psychologist and a supervising psychologist would provide in the jail it would be a massive immense and you could create that new paradigm Almost overnight. That's something that is very, very lacking in that program.

Now a supervising psychologist and a clinical psychologist could bring this thing together. They're very professional type persons. They could bring individual therapy, alcohol drug therapy. They can bring group Many types of groups need to be set aside. Groups for people who are homeless always, so you have a homeless new paradigm going on. Christian groups many times persons latch onto Christianity and they become saved by this group alone And that's, and only clinical psychology is going to bring

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:43:52 · ≈ 2:43 PM

this

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up. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:43:55 · ≈ 2:43 PM

Amanda Devlin. And our final speaker will be Jim Peterson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 38Proposed5:44:04 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Thank you board. I just wanted to reiterate the importance of saving money and helping these clients. There's case management has been used Proficiently in the past to help some of these guys transcend as Ron was speaking earlier transcend from jail or prison to some sort of halfway house onto on to being a Sufficient self-sustaining citizen if you had somebody one-on-one with these guys and there are plenty of volunteer opportunities between UCSB, Antioch and City College. Case management is something taught and you can keep on top of the client and help them with the learning independent living skills that they need to have.

And they also get a little bit of counseling and it's free and it would be crucial I think for these people to have somebody like that in their corner It would be good for the community too, I believe. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:45:14 · ≈ 2:45 PM

Thank you.

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Jim Peterson will be our final speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed5:45:21 · ≈ 2:45 PM

Good afternoon again Madam Chair and members of the Board. I'm Sheriff Jim Peterson with the Sheriff's Office. I wanted to piggyback on comments that Supervisor Lavinino and Supervisor Carbajal made about the North County Jail, maybe a hybrid approach where you would have incarceration along with mental health facility beds available. And that's exactly really what the AB 900 project is in the new North County Jail. The Sheriff's Department certainly understands it's not the panacea, it's not the solution for all problems with mental health. Remember the Blue Ribbon Commission recommends funding for more services but the North County Jail, the Phase 2 project has 16 medical and mental health beds That's part of this project, and that was above and beyond what the first project is.

So I just wanted to remind the board of that and let you know that whenever the state of California proposes a new legislation that actually moves the money over to the medium-sized county in Santa Barbara will get awarded the full Phase 2 AB 900 grant. We'll be coming back to you soon and moving the projects forward. So thank you for bringing that up to the attention of everybody.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:46:26 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Thank you. Supervisor Wolf and Supervisor Gray?

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction5:46:30 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Chair Peterson, while you're there just please just touch on briefly the AB 109 realignment and what happens that was going to be our next item we're not going to hear it today but I do think its important for folks to understand what the options are for certain offenses As far as you folks evaluating people when they come in and looking at alternative sentencing.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed5:46:59 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Well, certainly AB-109 has put a big strain on all the services within the county. Not only the jail but also probation and all the other social services. With AB-109 it keeps people in the facility longer than what is normally planned or jail and certainly probation isn't meant to provide services for a long term fix like that So when you have an AB 109 subject coming in, it presents certain medical challenges for us because they're going to be in our care for a longer time which means that we have to provide more funding, more service certainly for a longer time. And also with the mental health also.

Certainly the predominant client that's coming in has some type of co-occurring disorder And that's going to certainly add challenges to us, ADMHS, Khorizon, all the services where normally those AB 109s would have gone to the state prison.

GuestJanet WolfProposed · by introduction5:47:55 · ≈ 2:47 PM

You know I think you missed the other piece of this and that is the people who are from Santa Barbara County who are sentenced and they don't necessarily, they are not necessarily incarcerated in the jail. Maybe Bev Taylor can answer that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 39Proposed5:48:13 · ≈ 2:48 PM

Madam Chair, Supervisor Wolf. Yes we do have the opportunity with funds from Assembly Bill 109 public safety realignment to provide enhanced services to a population who previously would have been in our community but under the supervision of state parole who are now under the supervision of the probation department and we do have through our day report centers And through our probation report and resource centers, additional services that include substance abuse. And we have currently formulating contracts with our partners, ADMHS as well as Coast Valley in the North County and Sanctuary in South County to provide services to those offenders. who are through AB 109, you have dual diagnosis and substance abuse. So there is an opportunity we currently are going before our executive CCP the Community Corrections Partnership on Friday to present our plan for next fiscal year which does include Funds for housing, it includes funds for mental health services, psychiatric medication as well as services for our probation report and resource center.

For both the offenders coming back from state prison as well as those who are the front ends who have a state prison commitment but are serving their time locally. And just wanted to add as well that up until now, the last six months we have had Less of the front end that we had anticipated, we have 106 who were sentenced to local jail as a result of realignment. And over the last 30 days, we've seen that more of those are being sentenced to a split sentence. Which allows us to look at them and have them released to an alternative program with services within the community. So our stakeholders, our partners are working together to look at all of our options and services that we can provide for this select population.

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction5:50:24 · ≈ 2:50 PM

Supervisor Gray.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:50:25 · ≈ 2:50 PM

Thank you. I'd like to say a couple of things and dovetailing on what Bev just said to start with, and that is I represent this board in the County of Santa Barbara with CSAC, California Association of Supervisors, that deals with the AB 109 and the realignment and so on. And the goal was flexibility. The idea was instead of just straight-to-state prison, and then you're in a prison environment, and then you're released and with no help. So that's the flexibility that we're able to experience and work with now. So that's one of the things, but this is where I need help and I don't know who to ask maybe you Dennis because you did the report.

I listened to the report today and then I listened to everything that folks had to say and what I'm used to is One group comes and they have one position, and another group comes and they have Well, in my opinion what happened here is everybody agrees. Everybody agrees that it's better to put folks into a housing element with supportive services if in fact they are mentally ill. So I don't see one person in here going like this. That's where we want to go. It's just what I don't know is how What can we do to move this instead of just saying, oh here's a report. We'll put it on the shelf?

So we know that 70% of the folks that are sentenced to jail with some recidivism kind of problem. But if they have the Sheriff's Treatment Program then their recidivism drops down to 35%. We know that the supportive housing issue is the best to go. Everybody agrees in that, but we don't seem to know how or why or what to do about it. Your report was just numbers and identifying problems. And my question is with the field that I have, I don't know how to vote or what to say because everybody agrees but we're not going anywhere.

You want to answer that or you want to give that to Chandra?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed5:52:42 · ≈ 2:52 PM

CEO Waller. Chairwoman, Supervisor, I think what you saw today is a recognition from a lot of folks about the needs to have specific programs in place and to even come up with some innovative ones. There are several methods. You know,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:52:59 · ≈ 2:52 PM

I'm going to interrupt. I hate to do this. I hate people. But one of the problems is someone gets arrested for a crime and And that crime goes to the booking place. And because it's a crime, they have to put it into jail. So unless there is someone there to make the decision that they are mentally, they have a mental health problem. But you can't just do that because of the way the law reads.

If they have committed a crime, they're booked, they're in jail, that's where they stay until some judge says we're going to change that. So with that, go ahead and answer. I apologize. That's very rude.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed5:53:40 · ≈ 2:53 PM

No rules at all, Supervisor. There are a lot of really good stakeholder groups that exist right now that are looking at this, bringing our community home, Common Ground, our Mental Health Commission, several other opportunities for input. And one of the things that I think has been identified is a need to bring those groups together instead of having them meet separately, and I know that's one of the goals of bringing our community home in Common Ground. And I would think that it's perhaps a good opportunity to bring in some of these other groups as well. The probation AB 109 plan, a lot of different folks working on the same issue. So what I'm hearing is a desire to bring those more together and focus our efforts instead of having so many different groups.

And I know that I'm willing and Ms. Nitches has indicated a desire to kind of take that on as a special project for herself this year And would be happy to provide your board with ongoing updates about how that's happening and what progress we're making.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:54:48 · ≈ 2:54 PM

Okay, actually I'm sorry we've closed public comment. To kind of bring this back you know I just want to say that I don't feel that this report goes far enough. I realize that you were trying to finalize a response to the grand jury but I think that we all agree that this was kind of a good first effort But specifically looking at your conclusions, a brief comment I have. You've got five bullet points there in the conclusion to the report not the staff report and not the board report. And I would say that I agree with the first third and fifths But the second one that says because of the treatment effectiveness rates and variety of funding sources, it would not result in an equivalent savings to the county to simply fund supportive services.

I don't see how that's been proven. I mean, I think we need a lot more analysis of this. And whether we accept the numbers in the report for the difference between supportive housing and incarceration at 25 percent or not To me, 25% is a whole lot of money to be spending in the wrong way to not help people in the way they need to be served. Thank you. And then I think the other thing is that the fourth bullet talks about the limited capacity of housing options and then just says that the largest single obstacle is that we need this.

So it's kind of like, oh well we can't, we don't have the money. We don't have anything to do about it and I think that what we need to do is consider this a first step and that the board would ask you to come back after you have met with these groups, after you have read the Families Act report And the other documentation that's out there and kind of get to Supervisor Gray's point, which is we need some sort of an action plan for priorities. I mean, I think it's easy to say we don't have the money but if we don't have some sort of an action plan going forward even when we might have the money or figure out a way to get grant money We don't have a plan to put into action. So, those would be my suggestions and just kind of a minor correction in the letter that you want to send to the courts.

You've got two different judges' names on there. You need to pick one and then I will be able to sign it. Other comments from the Board?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:57:07 · ≈ 2:57 PM

I move what the Chair said.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed5:57:12 · ≈ 2:57 PM

I'll second that, but you know the one piece that the group that needs to be engaged because they're the ones who really play the role here are the judges. They're the ones who sentence so and Supervisor Gray brought up the most important piece once they sentence if it's not dealt with at sentencing Or at intake before sentencing. At sentencing, obviously if there's somebody can make the case of a mental illness the judge should have some not only compassion but some options.

So we got to give them options, but before sentencing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:57:48 · ≈ 2:57 PM

Because in some like Riverside County had an arraignment court.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed5:57:52 · ≈ 2:57 PM

Well that was my point. My point is the courts can be the most constructive here as to what how they might be able to be part of the solution. But the courts are a totally different world and I'll remind us all there's three branches of government. All we can do is work with them and hope that Trying to solve this dilemma, but at the end of the day it comes down to resources and the desire of the courts and the judges to participate. So all we can do is ask.

Madam Chair, I

CommentDr. Robert JohnsProposed · by introduction5:58:26 · ≈ 2:58 PM

think

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed5:58:26 · ≈ 2:58 PM

Judge

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.775:58:27 · ≈ 2:58 PM

Flores is working on, through Alcohol Drug Mental Health, I think they're trying to put together a mental health court right now so... What's that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:58:36 · ≈ 2:58 PM

A homeless court as

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:58:37 · ≈ 2:58 PM

well. But the issue really is right at the amazing get-go is what I'm... And that would be an arraignment court I mean, I'm getting out there now but there's several counties that do it. Arraignment court right at the jail. Gordon you have anything to add to this? DA Gordon Auchincloss sitting in the audience here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:59:07 · ≈ 2:59 PM

The courts in Santa Barbara and Santa Maria do have a mental health treatment court in both locations.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 39Proposed5:59:27 · ≈ 2:59 PM

They have mental health staff that are assigned to each court, so they have a psychologist that is there to provide an

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed5:59:34 · ≈ 2:59 PM

assessment. That's all fine and dandy but the issue becomes How is it working with the dilemma? Intake, dealing with them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 39Proposed5:59:43 · ≈ 2:59 PM

So just as Madam Chair, Supervisor Carbajal, just to say that our courts are very interested in dealing with the population and mentally ill population and would I'm sure be welcome to be a part of the conversation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:59:58 · ≈ 2:59 PM

Okay, well I think that's another point that we want staff to undertake is to begin those conversations with the court. So looking at our recommended actions to accept and file which I would agree to as just a first step not a final report The letter and that we have and we also have provided additional guidance and direction. So, we have a motion. We have a second all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries thank you everybody for being here and for your testimony really appreciate it And now we are going to go ahead and adjourn to the Emergency Operations Center, and we will be closing the meeting at that location. We will not be returning here.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:00:39 · ≈ 3:00 PM

Madam Chair, you're recessing to...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:00:41 · ≈ 3:00 PM

I'm sorry. Recessing, not adjourning. Thank you. ♪ Yeah.