BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 March 12, 2013

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:08 · ≈ 9:00 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:02 · ≈ 9:03 AM

♪ Hello. This system was put in 1957. I'd like to call our board meeting to order. Mr. Clerk, if you could do roll call please?

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:51 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Mr. Lavinino? Here. Ms. Wolfe? Here. Ms Farrer? Here! Mr. Adam? Here Mr. Carbajal?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:57 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Here If you could all join me in signing the Pledge of Allegiance please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:06 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Do we have

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:08 · ≈ 9:04 AM

the approval of the minutes for March 5th, 2013? Is there a motion? Motion's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:18 · ≈ 9:04 AM

been made. Motion has been made, seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Abstentions? Passage unanimously. We will now move on to public comment. Mr. Allen, I believe we have four individuals.

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction4:51 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Chairman Carpaw and members of the board, we had a couple of additional late requests for public comments. So we have a total of six. And we'll start in Santa Maria with David Price to be followed by Jeff Bard here in Santa Barbara.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:12 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Hey guys, how are you? Anyways my comment is I'm a painting contractor and all the building contractors that I work with are going through a big difficulty for getting their permits which is having a huge impact on my business. I've had to lay off my employees because of the delays on the permit process I just ask that it's reviewed and put into consideration that it's a hardship on my family, the families of the people that I employ, my builders.

It's just a big deal. It is getting to where it's not any fun at all. We're trying to make a living and when we put in permits and it's not even considered for months at a time It's just, it's really making a huge impact on my business and everyone that I employ. So if you could please review it, look at it, I would appreciate it. And thank you for your time.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:22 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Lavinino? Just a quick question sir. What type of permit are you applying for?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:29 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Well, I'm not applying for the permit myself. I am working for Hossel Builders and all my building contractors they apply for building a custom home doing a remodel and what have you. And it's just taking months and months and months which and they have the work, they've signed it up. They've done everything they're supposed to do from the engineers to the architects and they presented it.

And it's just this huge loop it has to go through and it comes back, and nothing has changed. Our

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction7:06 · ≈ 9:07 AM

next speaker is Jeff Bard to be followed by Michelle Salmon Owens.

CommentJeff BardProposedself-stated7:12 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Good morning. Mr. Chair and members of the board, my name is Jeff Bard and I work via an organization called The Alliance to Teach Everywhere about community health which has sponsored a few initiatives such as the cough hygiene initiative which achieved some bonafide successes prior actually to the advent of the influenza season and we like to think we prevented some cases The Cough Hygiene Initiative is now doubly relevant because as you know, in Los Angeles there has been an outbreak of tuberculosis particularly centered in certain vulnerable populations and the Center for Disease Control dispatched a team from Atlanta to investigate.

I'd like to apprise you a few things you won't read in the media is that the media is rather hyping this whole matter One of the contentions is that this strain is a strain that is unique to Los Angeles. Well, you can't get lab, really turn around lab results quite that rapidly so I seriously doubt that's been scientifically established. It's a very slow moving form of pathogen and it takes quite a few weeks maybe going into months before you can really get lab cultures back with any definitive results.

Another source of media sensationalism is the attempt to somehow shift the blame onto immigrants and foreign nationals and exchange students, and other vulnerable populations. And one story that you may find in the press is a fellow from Nepal which is one of my favorite countries Did a little traveling around and before he got caught, you know treated Diagnosed and so you're gonna find on the internet. There's people that want to you know Erect a Berlin Wall across the Rio Grande because we're all gonna You know come down with Ebola All that said however There are going to have to be some policy changes And I'm always very quick to come up with ideas. I'm not too good at maybe building the support for some of those ideas, but I'm making headway.

I've got a meeting now scheduled with some of the parties that I've been trying to get to change some of their policies and I'll keep you posted, but I kind of want to make sure Kind of keep that discreet for the time being. So it's being worked on, and the C3H has got some good people that are working on it. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed10:10 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Thank you

CommentJeff BardProposedself-stated10:10 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Mr. Bart.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction10:11 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Our next speaker is Michelle Salmon Owens to be followed by Flora West.

CommentMichelle Salmon OwensProposed10:17 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Good morning. This is the first time I've actually attended one of these meetings and I felt... Come here! Can't hear me? Okay, and I felt it was really important to come because it kind In regards to this jail postcard policy that's just been recently instituted. There's a lot of media going on, not just in California and not just in Santa Barbara. And obviously a lot of people have seen the article in The Independent and I don't need to quote it fully but it's my understanding that Sheriff Brown has no intent on changing this policy or possibly making changes down the road.

I don't know how many of you are aware, but in Oregon there was an injunction. It's right now it's in the federal courts and this is quite a travesty to people who are what people like to call our system who may be in their awaiting trial for six months, a year or longer and to be arbitrary and take away One right for them to receive mail from their loved ones, from debt collectors.

Whoever it may be is definitely a violation of their First Amendment right. If each and every one of you were for some reason put in jail for something you may not have done Or you may have done. You would be, have that right taken away from you and I seriously think that this really needs to be looked at. February 15th of this year the ACLU actually got involved up in Sacramento and sent a nice letter out to them.

The ACLU is involved in various communities right now in California on this matter. And instead of wasting taxpayers money I really believe that somebody needs to speak to Sheriff Brown. And, you know, you guys have a little bit more of the power. I could go sit down in his office. I don't have a problem with that. Also as of yesterday at about 2 p.m., which would be, I believe...I don't know if they're on daylight savings and East Coast time, there is a woman by the name of Leah Sakala who is with Prison Policy, who actually wrote Sheriff Brown a letter. And at that time he has not responded.

And I'll leave it on this note basically. He said that the policy and this was in the Santa Barbara News Press, the policy will not be reconsidered. Well if the ACLU gets involved, I think he will need to reconsider. Thank you very

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed13:20 · ≈ 9:13 AM

much.

CommentMichelle Salmon OwensProposed13:20 · ≈ 9:13 AM

So I appreciate your time.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction13:23 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Flora West, to be followed by Judith Everett.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed13:37 · ≈ 9:13 AM

I'm speaking on behalf of seniors' rights. I am under a conservative shield That is, it's impossible to get out of. I don't want to be under the people I'm under. They are the same people that Pat Rosen was under. I called Janet Wolfe, my supervisor and was told to call the public guardian. They said my attorney has to contact them And my attorney said that they wouldn't take me.

I live at the Villa Santa Barbara and a lot of people there know about my problem. I cannot afford a conservatorship, and I do not need them. Thank you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction14:23 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Our next speaker is Judith Everett to be followed by Zachary King.

CommentJudith EverardProposedself-stated14:34 · ≈ 9:14 AM

I'm Judith Everard, a citizen of Santa Barbara and the greater Santa Barbara County. I really thank the board for your encouragement of public input. I think that's a great advantage to the populations here. requirements of the board and that is that you hear everybody, that the arguments are put in the newspapers for and against these particular titles. And so this gives us a chance to discuss, and there is an increasing number of small groups in this town. And the future lies in the groups getting together and agreeing on what our goals are. For instance, do we really want to spend this amount of funding on the military? Or do we want to spend it on people This division is never made very clear at the level of discussion.

And there are lots of things that can be done for prisoners in jail which will enhance their getting out and enhance their rehabilitation, for instance Mental health treatment for people is very, very important as we've noticed in the events of the country where there are mass killings. And so I would be very supportive of anything that will give rehabilitation to prisoners. And even if they're in a very short time, they may be co-opted to actually work for the jail system instead of working against it and The small groups in Santa Barbara really need to be on the same page of what our goals are. And I personally belong to a group for education called POISE, and it's people for open informal self-directed education.

And it's people who want to work together to make the changes Very important and I'm very interested to hear that the ACLU is represented here. And the younger people too, it's very important so thank you.

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction17:40 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Zachary King is our next speaker to be followed by Miller

CommentZachary KingProposed17:47 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Good morning Last week I spoke here about the new policy at the county jail to ban all incoming mail except for postcards. As of yesterday, the flow of letters, photos and other mail that keeps the people in our jail connected to their loved ones and supported by their communities has ceased. The vast majority of the more than 3,200 local jails and all 1,821 state and federal prisons across the country managed to keep their facilities secure without a postcard only mail policy restriction.

The leading U.S. professional incarceration organization, the American Correctional Association says that letters are of tremendous importance to an inmate and that facilities should encourage not discourage correspondence. Both major political parties put the issue of recidivism on their 2012 campaign agendas and even the Republican Party stated that they support the institution of family-friendly policies to reduce the rate of recidivism thus reducing the enormous fiscal and social costs of incarceration.

Last week, Sheriff Brown defended the decision stating that due to security concerns we could no longer allow letters to incarcerated people. Any supposed cost savings of security benefit that the Sheriff Department claims will result from banning letters to inmates should be contrasted with the social and economic costs of a more alienated isolated and faster growing jail population cut off from one more important tie with the outside world.

The Prison Policy Initiative has issued a press release calling for Sheriff Brown and Santa Barbara County Jail to immediately withdraw this harmful ban. The statement has already been signed by over 50 local and national organizations. In closing, I've heard from county supervisors and their offices that you are powerless over this decision, that you can't help us, and that you can't help your constituents in the jail.

I respectfully disagree. You possess at least as much power as me and anyone else in this room. You probably possess more, and I think that through your statements, your statements to the press, your statements to the sheriff, your public positions, I think you can have a lot of sway over this. So lastly just please raise your voice with us in defense of the safety and rights of your constituents. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed20:02 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Thank you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction20:03 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Our next speaker is Miller to be followed by Steven Storman.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed20:15 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Hi, how's it going? I just received notice a couple days ago that there's another rule that they're adding to the books as far as the letters ban in Santa Barbara County Jail. That if you've been to county jail in the last six months, you can't put money on someone else's books. So that's another rule that they didn't tell us about last week and I wonder how many others that they're trying to sneak in there and not tell us about but Also, they say that the reason is because of security and they don't want to subject the guards to drugs or something like that. They all wear gloves when they open the letters and if someone wanted to soak a letter with drugs, they could also soak a postcard with drugs. And it's not what they were telling the inmates the real reason was.

They were saying that there's just too many letters. They don't want to read them all. They don't feel like doing it. Officers in there just sitting around doing nothing all day. I don't see how they can't just read one letter per person a day, and if there's too many inmates who can't take care of them and handle your business then they have no business arresting that many people.

Might as well try something different besides taking away letters and everything else trying to punish people. Another thing is people who have been committed a felony cannot go visit anyone in county jail, not allowed on the property. So if your loved one's in there and you're a felon, you can't visit them at all. And if you're not a felon and you're trying to visit somebody there they could get punished for like I was in county jail once and I got an inmate discipline report where I was going to the bathroom and had to finish up when they called count And I got out too late. And we're going to take away two weeks commissary and visitations. And with commissary, you can't buy phone minutes either. So you can't get letters now. You can't call anyone.

No visitations. Just the list goes on and on. It's getting crazy in there. Yeah. That's about all I've got to say right now.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction22:15 · ≈ 9:22 AM

Thank you. Our next speaker is Steven Storman to be followed by Ted Sands.

CommentSteve StormanProposedself-stated22:26 · ≈ 9:22 AM

How do you do? My name's Steve Storman. I'm a resident of Lompoc, and I spoke to you last week about the decision on the postcard only policy at the county jail. I am here to speak to you about that again. Specifically, I want to respond to Sheriff Brown's comments at the end of public comment. I want to thank Sheriff Brown for telling us that this was about safety first and foremost. We didn't know that there were no public statements made, no public hearings, no public input, no accountability towards this decision before it was implemented yesterday.

I think at the very least the public need deserves a little more time. The families of the people who are in jail I want to say that. I appreciate that he's doing his job. His job is to come to you and talk about the policies that he needs to implement or that he feels should be implemented in order to make the most safe jail that he sees possible. Safety is definitely one big concern at a county jail, but I think another one is ethics and I think another one is communications rights and the rights of the people, the inmates at the jail.

You know he presented his case for what safety means at county jail. And I think that the countervailing opinion that we're bringing you today is what a what justice at the jail looks like and I think it like Mr King said it's about preventing recidivism. It's about Not punishing the families of inmates by restricting their access to their loved ones and being able to continue a relationship with them.

It's about not, it's about not punishing North County more so. As we mentioned last week, North County is farther away there's no public transportation poor inmates can't afford phone calls or To take time off of work to visit letters really are the only substantive form of communication available and the only. And yeah a postcard you know you have five page letter that's twenty five hundred words I don't care what size of postcard you have. That's not going to fit in my mailbox.

So, I just want to again bring to you that this is the voice of your constituents that we want a more just jail. Communication rights are important. Don't publish the families of inmates. Don' punish North County. Thank you.

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction25:33 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Our next speaker is Ted Sands followed by Joe Halsell.

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CommentTed SandsProposedself-stated25:42 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Morning, Mr. Chairman and members. My name is Ted Sands. I live near on Villalobos Padres near the county park First of all, I'd like to mention as you recall several weeks ago we discussed the issue of a fee which I feel is really a tax on fire prevention and fire education. I have not seen or heard of a letter from you to the state and I hope that you consider that a high priority.

Second issue I'd like to mention is that an earlier speaker said even the Republican Party supported more freedom for prisoners. I'm not sure what the speaker meant by that comment. I don't think it added anything to the discussion, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:43 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Thank you very much. By the way, sir, we did send a letter and if we could get a copy of that letter to him as CEO, that would be great. We'll get you a copy of that letter. Yes. If you hang out a few minutes, we might actually bring it to you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction26:56 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Yeah, Mr. Sands, we can get you a copy of the letter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed27:00 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Please proceed.

CommentJoe HosselProposedself-stated27:05 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Good morning, Chairman Carbajal and members of the board. My name is Joe Hossel. I am a local business owner. I own and operate three construction companies out of Santa Maria. We serve the entire county. We work all over the county every day. And I'm here to talk about how The permitting process from the land use. Process through building plan check process has affected my business over the past few years. We rely as do.

Probably all other businesses, certainly all other contractors on a continual flow of work to not just keep our business operating but to keep our doors open. And we have experienced the largest delays and the biggest problems I've had the opportunity to work in over 25 jurisdictions, cities, counties all over the state. And I have seen permitting processes that work really smoothly and are very quick. And I've seen others that have a built-in They have built-in uncertainty and I feel And I can tell you with the lion's share of my experience in Santa Barbara County that I just can't depend on when a permit will be issued and how much this permit will cost me.

It may be two months, it may be two years. There are so many pieces of the permit process that are just fully discretionary up to That I believe that we have shoved a lot of the activity that should be permitted underground and away from us. And when it became apparent to me was when I was trying to hire a carpenter and an operator for our machinery, I can't find any qualified candidates for a carpenter in Santa Barbara County because they're working at the same time that we're not really issuing any permits.

We are working, the industry is working without permits. We have made the process so difficult in Santa Barbara County that we have told them if you want to keep your doors open work without a permit And I can drive around. My colleagues that I work with, they're doing everything in their power to do jobs without permits. And without going into all the details of exactly why, I would like to find out how I work with you guys to bring the permit money and the permit activity back to the county because it has a major impact. The timing of projects has a major impact on whether or not we work without a permit. Thank you very much.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction30:18 · ≈ 9:30 AM

Our next speaker is Mark Lloyd to be followed by Sam Cohen who's our final speaker.

CommentMark LloydProposedself-stated30:32 · ≈ 9:30 AM

Mr. Chair, honorable board members, my name is Mark Lloyd. I didn't intend to speak today. I'm here to monitor an item but I felt compelled to speak after hearing a couple of public testimonies as to the permit process in Santa Barbara. As many of you know, I have many years, in fact several decades of permit experience in the county and in many other entities too And through that course, I've had a number of boards that I've worked with of different political persuasions and focuses. And through those varying experiences, I felt compelled today to tell you that I have never seen the Planning and Development Department work better under the leadership of the Director and the Deputy Directors The department has never responded better to the public community.

But even more so, you have an excellent staff, supervising staff and planning staff who are responsive to applicants' issues Are responsive to the needs and timings of applicants. And so things have never worked better. With that said, Mr. Chair, you have had over the last couple years specifically some budget issues that you've had to deal with. And consequently you've cut staff throughout the county and I've also cut it in the planning and development department. I would say to you that as the economy is picking up and we're all seeing the headwinds of that and the effects of that You are going to see problems in the planning department because of these staff cuts and the lack of money in the department. You're going to see longer waits and longer times to get permits.

So these speakers that have spoke, I'm sure they have issues and individual projects that may have languished. But as someone who's worked in this environment for many, many years, I think you should have comfort that the department has never run better. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed32:15 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Thank you very much.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction32:17 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Our final speaker is Sam Cohen.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed32:23 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Good morning Chairman Carbajal, members of the Board of Supervisors. Sam Cohen, Government Affairs and Legal Officer for the San Ynez Band of Chumash Indians. You know I didn't even realize you were doing your SDF grants today but I guess I'll hang around for that. The real reason I'm here today is to cordially invite you to the 36th Annual California Conference on American Indian Education Which is being hosted by the Chumash Tribe here at the Fess Parker Doubletree Resort starting Monday, March 17th through the 19th of this week. And I'll be pleased to leave some brochures at the back counter.

Yes sir?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:01 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Mr. Lavinino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8033:02 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Mr. Cohen you said Monday, March 17th. Monday is the 18th. Is it the 18 or the- You're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed33:10 · ≈ 9:33 AM

right. It's Sunday, March 17th. I was

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8033:12 · ≈ 9:33 AM

actually listening.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed33:13 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Yes. Thank you! And thank you for the correction. It starts on Sunday? There's some events on Sunday, but most of them are on Monday and Tuesday. Okay perfect. Thank you. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:26 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Thank you. Mr. Cohen

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction33:29 · ≈ 9:33 AM

was our final

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:29 · ≈ 9:33 AM

speaker. Thank you very much. We will now come back to our agenda and are there any administrative items that any of my colleagues would like to pull? Mr. Lavinino? I'd like to pull A14, please. A14. Supervisor? A4. Anyone else?

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction33:57 · ≈ 9:33 AM

We have one request to speak from the public on item A1.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed34:00 · ≈ 9:34 AM

On A1, why don't we go to the public since it's one person and we'll bring it back to the board.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction34:09 · ≈ 9:34 AM

Chairman Carbajal, members of the board. Item A1 is a resolution that's honorary, that's brought to the board by Supervisors Carbajall and Wolfe at the request of the Board adopt a Resolution of Accommodation honoring Anti-Defamation League upon their 100th anniversary. And our speaker is Jeff Bard. Mr. Bard?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed34:30 · ≈ 9:34 AM

Are you here? I believe he's not. We'll proceed to A14, Supervisor Lavinino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8034:41 · ≈ 9:34 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair and I think this is an appointment for me to the Housing Authority. I lost my housing authority commissioner. He was taken by the City of Santa Maria. Mr. Dickerson is now working for the Planning Commission so he got a bump up and I just want to recognize Mr. Robert Doyle. I believe he's in Santa Maria And just wanted to congratulate him and thank him for taking time to serve our community.

And I believe he's in Santa Maria, but anyway, just wanted to recognize Mr Doyle.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed35:17 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Thank you, Mr. Lavinino. Supervisor Adam A4 if you could read that item?

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction35:22 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Supervisor Carbajal, members of the board. Item A4 is some community services. The request is that the board consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara County Arts Commission application for California Arts Council State Local Partnership Program.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction35:35 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Supervisor Adam? Well I'm just wondering if somebody from Parks can tell me or I guess it's Community Services can tell me if we have a copay to get the grant And if so, how much would that be?

PresenterJenny Brushthe County Arts Commission which is part of the Community Services DepartmentProposedself-stated35:56 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Chair Carbajal and Supervisor Adam, thank you for the opportunity. I'm Jenny Brush, Executive Director of the County Arts Commission which is part of the Community Services Department. This request is a part of what we need to do to apply for the California Arts Council. This is a program where we leverage funding support that we have already from the City of Santa Barbara and the county And so this is money, we use that money that's already in place to attract these funds. So these funds come not even from the state general fund but they come directly from the sale of the California Arts License Plate. So these are completely funded by that and the purpose of these is to allow us to serve as a regional arts agency to provide services county wide.

I think 15 or 20 years, but it does allow us to be part of the statewide system. And what we do with that money is to leverage it to provide arts free art services and increase access to the arts and to provide technical support for all. Nonprofit organizations throughout the county so it doesn't cost you guys Anything in its money that comes directly from individuals that support the program through the purchase of arts license plates The ones with the palm trees and a little Sun on them Yeah,

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction37:22 · ≈ 9:37 AM

my question was is there a copay that comes out of general funds?

PresenterJenny Brushthe County Arts Commission which is part of the Community Services DepartmentProposedself-stated37:27 · ≈ 9:37 AM

No, absolutely not.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction37:29 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Because sometimes when you get a grant you've got to put some up like with the jail.

PresenterJenny Brushthe County Arts Commission which is part of the Community Services DepartmentProposedself-stated37:33 · ≈ 9:37 AM

What we're able to do with the grant funds is to leverage what we have from the city because we want to benefit both so we leverage funding that already is in place as part of our budget. We leverage that to attract this money.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction37:45 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Okay, so there's no general fund services that are utilized

PresenterJenny Brushthe County Arts Commission which is part of the Community Services DepartmentProposedself-stated37:48 · ≈ 9:37 AM

to get the grants? No additional costs whatsoever just for benefit. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed37:52 · ≈ 9:37 AM

very much. Not having any additional issues, is there a motion to approve the administrative calendar? Motion to remain in seconded. Not having further discussion all those in favor? Opposed? Abstentions? Passes unanimously we will now move on to our departmental agenda Mr. Allen I believe the first item has been requested that it be continued can you read that item and

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction38:21 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Yes, Supervisor Carvajal, members of the board. Item number one is from planning and development. The request that the board consider recommendations regarding the Naples Coalition appeal of the Planning Commission's approval of the Schulte-Dos Pueblos lot line adjustment. This is in the third district. The request is that your board continue this to your meeting on April 9th.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed38:39 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Is there a motion? Motion has been made and seconded. All those in favor? Opposed? Abstentions? Passage unanimously. We will now

move on to item number two.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction38:52 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Chairman Carbajal, members of the board, item number two comes to the board from the sheriff and the fire department. It's a hearing to receive and file a presentation from the sheriff's office describing the status of the county air support unit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed39:03 · ≈ 9:39 AM

And today we have Fire Chief Michael Dyer and Under Sheriff Jim Peterson providing this presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed39:11 · ≈ 9:39 AM

Good morning, Chairman Carbajal, members of the board. On July 10, 2012 your Honorable Board received a presentation from the Sheriff's Office and the Fire Department on the implementation status of the Air Support Unit. This presentation given by Under Sheriff Jim Peterson will serve to update the board in regards to the air support program that includes the current personnel staffing training asset deployment Standardization of operations and budgetary status.

With that, I'll turn it over to Under Sheriff Jim Peterson to make the presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed39:56 · ≈ 9:39 AM

Good morning Chair and members of the Board. With me today also is Lieutenant Bob Mott, he's the manager of the County Air Support Unit and this morning I'll be updating you on the status of the unit and as you recall your board established the air support unit on July 1st of last year. Over the past seven months the personnel of the Sheriff's Office and the County Fire Department have been busy implementing the program and performing the mission that was established.

As a reminder, the mission of the Air Support Unit is to provide air resources to regional and local governments and on state, federal, and local lands and in related waters in support of law and fire operations, emergency medical services, and search-and-rescue operations. We strive to accomplish this mission within the confines of fiscal responsibility and also a strong emphasis on safety management.

The Air Support Unit is comprised of nine full-time employees, a manager, four pilots, two of whom are currently civilian professional pilots and two who are Sheriff Deputy Professional Pilots. One of these deputy pilots is a sheriff sergeant. We have two crew chiefs, one of which is a fire captain and the other is a senior deputy with the sheriff's office. And to keep everything up and running we have two full-time mechanics. We also use a combination of extra help and collateral duty personnel to supplement the unit and provide for a shift relief factor. If you recall back when both units were separate there were 12 full time employees all together. This is an example of how the consolidation increased the efficiency and lowered the cost of the program.

As of today, this is the current status of our air assets. Copter 1 is our type 3 observation helicopter. It's in service and it's awaiting carting status. And as a reminder, carting is a term we use in order to be authorized by CAL FIRE and or the US Forest Service to be included in the firefighting operations in their jurisdictions and to be reimbursed for those services.

We're working with CAL FIRE to obtain our carding status for this helicopter. We need to paint the rotor blades, and there is also a digital radio and automated flight tracking issue that we are attempting to get a waiver for. As an example, Ventura County has the same waiver on their helicopters, and they are carded. We anticipated we'll also be able to get this waiver and be officially carded in the very near future.

Copter 2 is our second observation helicopter. It's also in service and awaiting the same carding status. Copter 3 is a Type 2 heavy lift operator or helicopter, and it's our newly refurbished helicopter. And it's been in a fantastic addition to the unit. It was commissioned back on December 10th of 2012. And we're happy to report that it has been carted and is available for all missions of the Air Support Unit.

Copter 4 is a twin engine type 2 helicopter that we acquired in 2009 through the federal 1033 program and private donations. It is out of service due to an unanticipated engine issue, and these twin engines have been sent to Alabama for inspection. We're awaiting the results of this inspection prior to making any repairs to these engines. I'd like to publicly thank Project Rescue Flight, a non-profit foundation for again stepping up and paying for the shipping and initial inspection of these engines.

Helicopter 308 is out of service. After an inspection was completed, several maintenance items are being addressed and replacement parts are being installed. We expect this Type 2 helicopter to be back in service within the next four to five weeks. Copter 309 is also out of service, and the management decision as of today is to hold off on any further action on this Type 2 helicopter until we can get a better idea of how extensive the repairs are to Copter 4 and to Copter 308. This copter will be in a mothball status until such time.

And Air 50, our Cessna fixed wing, is out of service receiving its regular annual inspection, and we expect it to be back online in the next three or four weeks. I'd like to take a quick moment to show you a magazine article from Vertical 911. This is a national publication specializing in aviation for emergency services. Copter 3 is featured, and the article talks about the private and public partnership that enabled this copter to be brought into service. It's truly a testament to the great work that the crews at the Air Support Unit do, and in particular, the fundraising efforts of Sergeant Greg Weitzman and Senior Deputy John Simon.

Now since July 2012, the Air Support Unit has been very active. We responded to 18 individual fire calls for service where we actually dropped water over 250 times. We responded to 180 law enforcement types of missions and conducted 23 search-and-rescue calls where 12 people were rescued. The flight hours of each type of helicopter that you see encompasses both training hours and mission specific hours because mission hours also count towards training hours.

In regards to the administrative status of the unit, the operations agreement that combined the two previous units was signed by the Sheriff and Fire Chief. Lt. Mott and his personnel have been very busy combining these separate Sheriff and Fire policy and procedure manuals into one cohesive document. This has been a very arduous task that has allowed us to identify best practices and also make sure that everybody knows what is expected from the unit. We're in the process of the final stages of the editing and reviewing of this manual, and we expect you to have it signed by the Sheriff and the Fire Chief within the next few weeks. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the members at the AISU, the Station 32 fire paramedics, and the managers of both fire and sheriff who have been working extremely hard to get this manual completed.

And lastly, we have put into place a schedule that enables our crews to provide coverage from 8 AM to 8 PM seven days a week along with a two-hour callback period. This schedule also takes advantage of cross training opportunities. We do have challenges in the units and one of the challenges that we always face is aircraft availability. Just due to the regular maintenance and inspection requirements along with unanticipated repairs, our helicopters are constantly being placed into and out of service. Normally scheduled maintenance and inspection issues are planned in advance to provide for minimum downtime and added efficiency. However, when unanticipated maintenance issues are realized this adds strain to our fleet and challenges our ability to put Type 2 and Type 3 aircraft into service at all times.

And this is the benefit and frankly the necessity of having redundancy in aircraft When a Type 3 helicopter such as Copter 1 is out of service, Copter 2 is available. When a Type 2 helicopter like Copter 4 is unavailable, Copter 3 is in service. The original direction from your board and the operation agreement between the Sheriff and the Fire Department Specified that two Type 2 helicopters should always be available.

But at this time, due to the unanticipated repairs to Copter 4 and Copter 308 only Copter 3 is in service today. We're working very hard to bring Copter four and 308 back into service and fully capable to handle all missions but as you can see redundancy in airships is critical to fulfilling your board's desire to have two type 2 copters available at all times Training has been going well, but it also never ends. We all believe that safety is of paramount importance and only through increased training of all of our personnel will we be confident that we are doing all we can to promote safety and provide exceptional service.

Due to the constant struggle of airship and personnel availability, training everyone in all types of helicopters for all the missions is challenging. However, we continue to cross-train our pilots and crew chiefs in all of our helicopters in order to have the flexibility and efficiency that your board and we desire. We've been closely watching the first year budget for the Air Support Unit. We anticipate coming in at about $225,000 over our adopted budget. This is due in large part to the unanticipated expenses for Copter 4 and the annual inspection and maintenance of Copter 308.

However, we also believe that we can cover most if not all of the expenses through our regular department budget without coming to your board for any additional funding requests. As we all know helicopters are very expensive to maintain and as you also know we have come to rely on them to respond to emergencies involving fire law and medical missions. As we move through the budget process for the next fiscal year, we're developing a budget that adopts a model based on minimum and mandatory flight hours along with the hourly operating costs of each aircraft. Taking into account increases in fuel, training and maintenance costs. Although this will be presented as a budget increase to our current budget, it'll also be a budget expansion request.

One that allows for the funding of our current service levels but also plans for unexpected maintenance and repairs. I'll be talking a little bit more about this maintenance fund later in this presentation. I'm happy to report we have made significant strides since the inception of the unit back in July. As I already mentioned, Copter 3 has been commissioned and fully carded. The operations manual has been combined and is going through final review before being signed by the Sheriff and the Fire Chief.

And all of our full-time pilots are now cross trained as they are now all fully carded in our Type 2 rescue fire helicopters. And although we have made great progress towards providing the service that your board envisioned for this unit, the training of our pilots and crew chiefs in all disciplines will be an ongoing process. As new procedures and efficiencies are developed and new best practices are identified, our goal will be to be out in front of that training curve to be the best aviation unit that is possible.

But we also want to develop and train additional extra help pilots and crew chiefs. This will enhance our flexibility in scheduling, and also provide a much needed relief factor when our full-time pilots and crew chiefs take time off. The motto of the ASU is Semol No Secadant. I'm not quite as good as Sheriff Brown with a Latin phrase, but what it means in Latin is together we succeed and I would like to take a quick moment to publicly commend Lieutenant Bob Mott.

Bob has been an invaluable manager of this unit for the critical time of the air support unit. He's been a model of leadership that both the fire department and the sheriff's office have appreciated and enjoyed. He has made it known that he is planning to retire within the next six months. We're already looking at a transition plan for this very critical position, but I feel that it's necessary to acknowledge his truly outstanding and dedicated service to the Air Support Unit and the County of Santa Barbara. So thank you, Lieutenant Mott. And with that, I thank you for your time. And we are certainly available for any questions or comments you would have.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8051:17 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Well, seeing as how we don't have a chair, I will go with Supervisor Farr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed51:23 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chair.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8051:27 · ≈ 9:51 AM

That was quick.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed51:31 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Under Sheriff Peterson, I kind of wanted to go back to the air support activity slide. I think that the 18 fire missions are pretty self-explanatory as well as the search and rescue missions. But by far the lion's share are the law missions at 180. So can you kind of break those down as to the types of activity that is when you talk about law missions? What are we talking about?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed51:56 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Chair Carl Oberhol and Supervisor Farr, the ASU actually does a really good job of keeping track of a myriad of types of calls for service. Law enforcement missions could be anything from pursuits to looking for suspects at a scene to doing aerial mapping, anything that involves a law type of call. Frankly we probably have it divided into maybe 10-15 different subcategories at least I could get you those specific stats, but for this presentation, I didn't have it broken down that far.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed52:31 · ≈ 9:52 AM

OK. I was just trying to get some idea of what that meant. So if you're trying to pursue somebody, put a copter up in the air so that you can see better where they are and where they're going and other kinds of things?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed52:45 · ≈ 9:52 AM

Absolutely. And in those Type 3 craft, we even have that video capability where we can film the entire pursuit We can use it for evidentiary purposes. There's even a downlink capability that if we wanted to transmit it to another command post or anything like that, we have that capability also.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed53:03 · ≈ 9:53 AM

Okay thank you. And then Mr. Chair I always want to know about the money and I think it's just a little ironic that we kind of got into this discussion some years ago in order to try to save money. And I don't know if our numbers were unrealistic then or whether we've just had so many unanticipated costs, but I'm just wondering for 13-14 how much larger you think this budget is going to need to be?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed53:33 · ≈ 9:53 AM

The request that's coming to your board will be $298,000. And what that is, it's a deferred maintenance fund. And what we would like to do is add money to the budget that will kind of plan for the unplanned expenses that happen with helicopters. Like what happened this year, we had some unplanned expenses You know, we're hoping that we can cover through this year's budget. But what I would like to do is put some money away to take care of those unplanned maintenance issues that come up and if we don't use it for next year, that's great. We can roll that over to the following year and so we kind of build up a savings account that will just take care of those aviation issues.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed54:15 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Okay. So in looking at this year's budget, it was not quite $2 million and then it looks like we're going to go over about $200,000 so it's really realistically more like 2.2. So the expense...so not just the maintenance budget of about 300,000 extra that you want what do you think that the actual budget is it gonna be 2.0 or is that gonna also go up?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed54:42 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Let me defer to my CFO if he has the exact number with that request.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed54:54 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Chair Carbajal, Supervisor Farr. The recommended budget that's in the system right now has excluded from it the $298,000 that we're asking that needs to be added to the budget for next year. That addition was calculated by taking into account the real cost that we anticipate will occur. What will happen, it's really an unknown as we're flying the aircraft and things are happening. So if things go as we expect, the maintenance dollars that we set aside should be more than adequate to cover the cost of the aircraft. And perhaps at the end of the year, as under Sheriff Peterson said, there should be some extra that we can put into a designation To carry into 14-15. We'll then attempt to do the same thing in 14-15 and if an unanticipated repair occurs, we could then draw from that designation and not have an adverse impact on the Sheriff's budget or on the general fund.

That's kind of the plan but it really is an unknown. We just never know with these aircraft what's going to happen. We maintain them to the best of our ability by age and condition and such.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed55:58 · ≈ 9:55 AM

Okay, well thank you Mr. Martin I'm still a little confused so if if you're ending this year needing about 2.2 million dollars is the about 300,000 that you want more for maintenance does that get added into the two point two? So we're looking at more like 2.5 or whatever your basic budget is the expansion is is separate. I'm just trying to get a total amount here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed56:22 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Chair Farr, Chair Carlisle and Supervisor Farr The estimate that we're going to land at is what we expect. The $295,000 is going to be added to about a $2,088,000 budget next year. So it's not piling on to the estimated actual for additional. We've recalculated the budget for next year so it's about a 2.3, 2.35, 13, 14 if the budget expansion is granted.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed56:49 · ≈ 9:56 AM

OK. That's the number that I wanted. Thank you so much. Thank you Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed56:53 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Supervisor Lavaniello and then Supervisor Adams?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8056:56 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. You know I'm sure when we had our first meeting and I don't know if I want to speak for Supervisor Wolf but I was in the first meeting with that air support unit and I wasn't sure we would get to this place actually so I really want to thank Chief Dyer and his team, Sheriff Brown and his team And I don't know who told Lieutenant Mott that he could retire, but that has not been approved by the board.

So I don't plan on you going anywhere. But and also want to thank Project Rescue Flight. They've really Mr. Peterson mentioned that they had paid for the shipping and this wasn't like some overnight FedEx package. This was $40,000 worth of shipping so it's very significant One of the things when we talk about how much money we're spending too, you've got to take in the whole picture. First off, we're flying more advanced aircraft than we were in the past. We have a deeper pool of trained folks They're more highly trained across more platforms.

We have longer coverage than we had in the past, and we're still doing it for what we spent in 06-07 dollars. So I know we've got some challenges especially with repair costs and those types of things and unanticipated repairs but if we tackle those like we tackled what you've done is putting this unit together. I'm very confident that we are going to succeed so I just wanted to congratulate both of you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed58:26 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Supervisor Adam?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction58:28 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Under Sheriff, I'm just wondering where is it that you're getting your figures for maintenance? Do you use some kind of a well-known percent of the value of the assets or where do we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed58:41 · ≈ 9:58 AM

get the figures

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction58:42 · ≈ 9:58 AM

for maintenance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed58:43 · ≈ 9:58 AM

What we do is we take an industry standard for what the hourly cost is to operate both types of helicopters. The type 2 and type 3. And then we take the total flight hours that we need for the year and just multiply it out. You know, for next year when we add the increases for fuel and training costs and then this unanticipated maintenance deferment fund that's where we get our budget.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction59:08 · ≈ 9:59 AM

Well I understand that but you're adding in just the normal run costs right? You're talking about fuel and labor and all that stuff. I'm talking about just maintenance on the aircraft Do you have a, is there a standard figure and are those figures standard for law enforcement craft or are they for commercial craft?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed59:37 · ≈ 9:59 AM

Chair Cabral, Supervisor Adam. What we did is we went to some maintenance facilities and we asked them for standard, you know how much money do we set aside for each hour of flight for the various types of aircraft that we have? It wasn't law enforcement specific but we were aircraft specific. An example would be on the OH-58s they told us that we should be setting aside $565 for every hour of flight for that OH- 58.

Now that doesn't mean we're going to spend that every time the aircraft flies but it's a maintenance cost Over the period of time, as things time out and such. So we went outside and went to the experts and said what time should we be setting aside per hour flight? And they gave us numbers for every three types, four types of aircraft that we have. And we built that into a very objective calculation for 13-14 based on hours of flight.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:00:26 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Okay, so you're adjusting that formula by... You're going to increase it by 10% or I mean where are you getting the $250,000? What's the number that you want extra? Well, the $298,000 is expansion which

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:00:45 · ≈ 10:00 AM

It's a little misleading because the total cost to maintain and to fuel the aircraft for next year based on flight hours is about $400,000. We already had budget built in place. But that's not going

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:00:58 · ≈ 10:00 AM

to change?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:00:59 · ≈ 10:00 AM

No.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:00:59 · ≈ 10:00 AM

That's going to stay static. I'm just talking about how are you getting to the number for maintenance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:01:07 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Again sir, the source was from outside sources and they told us how much to be setting aside for each hour of flight. I'm not sure if I'm catching it.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:01:16 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Okay are you increasing that multiplier? Because that number comes from some kind of a multiplier of...I guess I'm not explaining this very well. You know its five hundred and something dollars an hour for maybe commercial craft and so what you're trying to do now is say we're going to do $550 an hour.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:01:44 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Well, we took their word because we went to them with the specific aircraft type and said this is what we have. What do you guys estimate that we should be splitting aside per hour? So they know what we've got. They know what we do. I don't believe they varied it based on type of mission but they did give us a specific cost on the type of aircraft. The OH-58s are the smaller aircraft. The bigger aircraft are much more expensive Copter 3 is $1,200 an hour for our flight. Right. So I get that. I fully understand that. You know, I feel confident that we have a very objective analysis that says for maintenance and fuel this is what these aircraft are going to consume in a year of operation assuming so many hours of flight.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:02:32 · ≈ 10:02 AM

OK. What exactly is wrong with copter 308?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:02:40 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Chair Carbajal and Supervisor Adam. There's nothing, I won't say there is anything wrong with copter 308. What we did on copter 308 was do its annual inspection. We identified what's called squawks and it's just kind of like ticking items that need to be repaired or replaced or installed. And so for the past several months they've been going through that down in Van Nuys at Rotocraft Incorporated And fixing all these different squawks that needed inspection and replacement during what came up during the annual inspection.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:03:14 · ≈ 10:03 AM

Can you give us a couple of examples?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:03:22 · ≈ 10:03 AM

There's a number of examples. The power turbine intake, the fuel control valves are all being overhauled and one of the largest problems that we ran into and I'm going to preface this with I'm not a mechanic, I'm a manager 50-something squawks to address on 308, but the large big ticket items seem to revolve around The serial numbers and the piece of the component itself will time out based on how many cycles? How many times it's been torqued not necessarily just started whether it's been torqued two three times or in any individual flight Rotorcraft support cannot find that information in the records. I So it's just a piece of information that is not in the flight logs that we sent down there. So based on that, they need to take that piece of equipment, take it out and put it in so that they have a known time on that component.

And there's two or three of those that we've been working on trying to find the data, we just can't find it.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:04:21 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Okay, that's what's taking so long.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:04:22 · ≈ 10:04 AM

That's why it's been

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:04:23 · ≈ 10:04 AM

down there

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:04:23 · ≈ 10:04 AM

for a long time. Part of the delays, it's part of the approval every time Or can't find a serial number piece of information they need, it'll jump the price. We have to re-go through our approval process, give them the approval which is where we stand right now.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:04:38 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Okay. Do you have any appraisals on all these units? Do we know what they're actually worth?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:04:46 · ≈ 10:04 AM

I don't think we have current appraisals on it. I can't give you that off the top of my head. On a market or

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:04:49 · ≈ 10:04 AM

replacement basis?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:04:51 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Yeah, I don' have that information sir. I couldn't tell you that without going out and specifically researching it.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:04:55 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Okay, I think we ought to have an appraisal on all these things so we know what they are because when they come in and say it's going to cost half a million dollars to fix this thing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:05:07 · ≈ 10:05 AM

Mr. Adam, I think that is a good point. To understand the appreciation you need to understand your value points. So I think it makes sense that we do do that. Are you finished with I have one final

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:05:19 · ≈ 10:05 AM

did you guys ever talk to the feds about contributing to our program? for coverage on the islands in the forest and all that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:05:28 · ≈ 10:05 AM

Actually, Sheriff Brown is in discussions with the federal government regarding having the federal government hopefully pay for and work with our engine. Our copter 4 is our main engine problem that we would like the federal government to help us fix and we need to work with our representatives actually and see if we can do some either legislative change or some type of authority so we can get that done without additional expense We're kind of in negotiations on that right now and I really don't have an update on that. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:06:00 · ≈ 10:06 AM

perfect thank you Thank You mr. Adam Do we have any public speakers? Mr. Owen?

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction1:06:06 · ≈ 10:06 AM

We have one request to speak for mr. Shatillo.

PresenterMark CiotilloOak Park Neighborhood AssociationProposedself-stated1:06:15 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Good morning, Mr. Chair and members of the board. My name is Mark Ciotillo and I'm here today on behalf of the Oak Park Neighborhood Association. And I wanted to just raise a concern and highlight to you and to staff a concern that the Oak Park community has and indeed much of downtown Santa Barbara has with respect to the effect and impact of helicopter operations at Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital. I want to underscore that we, of course, support the Cottage Hospital mission and the use of helicopters when medically necessary and as appropriate. But when the hospital opened their helipad in February of 2012 there were a number of incidents that had a very dramatic impact on the community.

We've been working with the hospital administration and have had some success in terms of addressing some of those issues. I think most dramatically addressed when the CalSTAR A nonprofit organization that runs most medical transfers in Santa Barbara County. About 70% of the flights into Cottage Hospital purchased a much quieter piece of equipment, and that's dramatically reduced the impacts both of the noise and the vibrations that are experienced in this residential area surrounding the hospital.

And I had the opportunity to chat with Sheriff Brown and talk yesterday with Mr. Mott, Lieutenant Mott about the concerns that we had, and I just wanted to underscore Those concerns to your board with respect to the equipment that now we're operating. The sheriff's equipment, as I understand it, is the second highest volume of traffic in and out of Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital.

And it doesn't have the advantage of the quiet technology. Some of the equipment is older and, as a result, is much louder, has much greater vibratory impacts. Pursuing its approaches and departures from the helipad at the hospital is illuminating the Samarkand and other communities in Santa Barbara. So I wanted to reach out to the Sheriff's Department and make sure that they were aware of our concerns, and alert your board to those concerns, and ask that as part of your ongoing management and oversight and monitoring of the air support unit That this also be considered as part of the matrix, some of the criteria much as we did with the Department of Health Services agreement.

And Dr. Wada was helpful in ensuring that with respect to CalSTRS contract with the county to provide those medical transport services that noise and impact to the community would be considered. So I want to encourage the Sheriff's Department to ensure that its craft is following the flight plan And the protocols that the hospital has developed with Caltrans to ensure that the impacts to the community will be minimized and we can maintain the availability of these services to the community that needs them while also minimizing the impacts upon this residential area. So thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:09:18 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Thank you, Mr. Shatillo. I think Mr. Shatillo does raise a good point. Many of these constituents are in the first and second district. CalSTAR's going out of their way to try to address those impacts. And I think it would be worthwhile for the sheriff to really sit down and understand those paths. I know all our assets aren't gonna be transporting to cottage.

But it would be good to understand the volume of transportation to Cottage and in the future if there are any helicopters that we might be able to get a grant for, to provide some kind of lower noise technology. I think that would be helpful but at the very least I think the routes...I happen to live in the area as well so I hear it from all my constituents And you know, the increase of the helicopters has really gone up dramatically. And I think it's a point well taken. So Mr. Peterson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:10:12 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Yeah Chair Carbajal and members of the board if I can add we do follow cottages flights into and out of the hospital. It's a standard flight route that we follow along with all the other airships that go into cottage. I was just asking Lieutenant Maude his guesstimate of since July how many times we've landed at Cottage. Maybe four to six times total, and that includes training landings so we really don't make that many flights there at all.

Certainly when we do it's a life-saving measure that we feel is important that we need to get there as soon as possible.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:10:47 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:10:51 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate your questions regarding Mr. Ciotillo's concerns and thank you for responding. I was going to ask the question about how many times you actually landed at Cottage because I see that people rescued there was 12 and I was going to ask how many went to the hospital so you're saying four to six times approximately? I also want to follow up, and I don't want to restate everything that Mr. Lavagnino said except to express my appreciation to both of your units in getting us to the point that we're at right now. One issue that I really want to follow-up on is the operations manual. Which really seems to be the teeth of bringing the two units together so everyone is on the same page. And it sounds like you folks have made very good progress, to get us to that point and we're almost there.

So I would just encourage you and as a member of that subcommittee if you could provide me with An email that the process has been completed, and I'd also like to see the final operations manual. But thank you for being here. Thank you for the update. And we can't wait to get every one of these, now I know to call them ships not helicopters, to get every one of them back here working.

Lieutenant Mott, I too am disappointed that you're leaving. I wish you a very good retirement, well-deserved. And I'm confident that we'll get someone else in that Unit to, to head it up in the professional way that, that Lieutenant Mott has done. It's very difficult I think we, you know, we knew that going in bringing two units together. In a lot of ways it continues to be a work in progress but I do believe that we've made significant progress to date and I want to thank you Chief Dyer and if you can tell Sheriff Brown for your leadership.

In doing this and to all of the folks under you who are making this work. Thank you

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CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:13:07 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Supervisor Adam. Not to belabor this point, but I think people don't understand and I'm not a pilot but I've been raised by them you can't always determine that your direction of ingress to any location right? I mean you have to land into the wind if you have a helicopter you have to land into the wind is that not correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:13:33 · ≈ 10:13 AM

A downwind approach and or departure is a mistake in a pilot's handbook. They always want to be doing an upwind approach, upwind departure which is part of the issues associated with a cottage helipad.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:13:47 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Exactly. And I just wanted to bring that out so that people understand you're not just driving wherever you want to go. You are dictated by weather which direction you have to acquire access to that particular point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:14:03 · ≈ 10:14 AM

That is correct and it's built right into cottages protocols that safety of the aircraft is paramount, the other protocols take second place to that

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:14:14 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Right, so just so the neighbors understand Mr. Shatillo they're coming in because they have to from different directions and not because they'd just like to bother a different set of neighbors this time. So thank you. Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:14:30 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Thank You Mr. Chair I just I think Mr. Chitello is bringing up a point about the neighbors because it's an issue, it's a concern and doesn't mean that we should totally dismiss those concerns and in fact I think they can be mitigated and from what I'm hearing from you folks is that you are doing what you can to mitigate those concerns and Supervisor Carbajal had some suggestions in looking at grant funding so You know, we are aware of them. I don't want to discount the issues that are being raised. And again, I just want to thank you for being the professionals that you are to take all of that into consideration.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:15:15 · ≈ 10:15 AM

Thank you. Looks like we have no more discussion. I'll conclude before I vote by saying that at the end of the day, the public that's watching just want to make sure that we have a seamless, efficient and effective response, emergency response when somebody is ill When somebody gets into an accident, they just want to make sure that we're responsive and effective in our job. So I appreciate all the good work you guys have done as my colleagues have said, and thank you so much for making this presentation. It's really helpful. Is there a motion to approve this item?

Motion has been made and seconded. Not having further discussion, are those in favor? I, opposed? Abstentions? Passage unanimously. We are now going to take a 15 minute break. We'll be back at 1030.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:30 · ≈ 10:16 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:32:55 · ≈ 10:32 AM

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction1:34:46 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Owens, would you read item number three? Chairman Carbajal and members of the Board, Item 3 is from Planning and Development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations during the Goolsbee and Goolsbee-K appeal. This is of the Montecito Planning Commission's approval of a Verizon wireless facility at the Montecito switch station. This is in the First District.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:35:05 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Thank you. I understand we have the parties that seem to reach an agreement, so we're going to ask Mr. Russell to guide us through with counsel on the appropriate structure of our hearing today. We do have an outline but We may be able to truncate it provided that council feels we were able to touch all the important procedural and discussion items that need to be addressed today. So, Mr. Russell and then if council could help us guide us through this hearing that would be great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:35:38 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Chairman Carbajal members of the board staff is prepared to move forward with a presentation on the appeal however it is as you mentioned my understanding as well that there may be the possibility of an agreement That would resolve the appeal. So before we launch into a presentation, I would recommend that we hear from the parties and find out if there is a way to resolve this and also there may be members of the public who wish to speak to the issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:36:08 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Thank you. And I look to council because I understand there's a shot clock issue Provided on the direction that this board can give would Dictate whether one of the parties is comfortable with extending the clock shop the shot clock. So Council and and how should we proceed? I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:36:31 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Mr. Chair and members of the board, the current Shot Clock extension agreement is through March 21st so we still have some additional time as well as one more meeting. Great. And I would recommend perhaps hearing from the parties so we can get an understanding of what their agreement is and then maybe returning back to staff just to get a description if it's changed project to get a description of that project so that the public understands the change in the project prior to public

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:37:00 · ≈ 10:37 AM

comment. And for the public watching, I think it's still important for planning development to give us the five minute presentation on what it is that we are discussing and hearing right now if that's okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:37:16 · ≈ 10:37 AM

Mr. Chair would you like to have that now? Yes, if possible.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:37:22 · ≈ 10:37 AM

If not, we could go to the two parties while you're getting it up. But I think it would be instructive for my colleagues and the public.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:37:35 · ≈ 10:37 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board. It is my understanding that the alternative that is being discussed that might resolve the appeal, is in fact a faux tree that is shown here and the antennas would be located at a higher level on the tree than would be the case if they were mounted on the building as it was originally proposed. This tree has been to the MBAR review and has received conceptual preliminary approval So that is basically a short description of what we're talking about to perhaps set the stage for hearing from the parties.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:38:22 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Thank you, so as council said we could go now to the two parties why don't we go to the appellant and then the applicant and if we could hold your comments brief that would be great

PresenterMark CiotilloOak Park Neighborhood AssociationProposedself-stated1:38:41 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board, Mark Shutillo on behalf of the appellants Martha Kay and Mary Kay Goldsby. And we have I need to take a few minutes just to kind of set the table if I could about this. I appreciate the desire to truncate the hearing. The original project as Director Russell indicated was to install a second set of antennas AT&T is already on the roof And Verizon had proposed to put a second set of antennas on the roof of the GTE switch building. At 512 Santa Angela Lane.

The appellants had some real concerns, there was no public testimony at the Montecito Planning Commission and so we appealed this to the board and were able to work very proactively with Verizon to try and identify, evaluate alternative sites and it's been at least six months. And my colleague Paul Albritton who is the attorney for Verizon will speak in a moment But Mr. Allbritton and I have worked well with his staff and with the community to try to identify alternative locations for this site. We recognize that cell coverage at Montecito is substandard, part of the problem is that low elevation of the rooftop antennas that AT&T is using limits the area upon – that these antennas serve. And there is an advantage service-wise to having antennas higher in the air.

The other benefit of having the antennas higher in the air, is that it reduces the ground level emissions. And while your board is preempted by the Federal Telecommunications Act from considering the emissions themselves as a criteria in your decision making, the fact is that a preschool is located at the El Montecito Presbyterian Church across the street and the families at that Preschool have said that if this antenna goes in, they intend to withdraw their children from that facility. So there's an economic business impact associated with the proposed project which we believe is something your board can consider as it evaluates.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:40:50 · ≈ 10:40 AM

Mr. Shatillo, we're not going to have the full hearing traditionally as we would because I'm sure your counterpart is going to come out here and refute As many of the things that you're saying that aren't germane to the agreement. So if we could just focus on the agreement, that would be really helpful. Although it's all very important information.

PresenterMark CiotilloOak Park Neighborhood AssociationProposedself-stated1:41:08 · ≈ 10:41 AM

Mr. Chair I can do that. I wanted to get that fact into the record because I think it's important as you look ahead. It's a justification for the agreement. So in working with Verizon, we identified a number of potential alternative sites and unfortunately none of the alternative sites worked. But the alternative design, and that is this tree pole antenna which is depicted on the screen there has been identified as an alternative project configuration. Which has the two benefits that I just described and as a result of that it is the appellant's position that we support The tree pole project. We do not support the rooftop antenna, and I appreciate staff's willingness to move us towards this.

And it's our understanding that as part of this project here AT&T will also be as part of an anticipated upgrade locating The antennas that are currently on the roof, removing them from the roof and installing them on the pole. And that's going to have some additional benefits for those two criteria of service and ground level emissions and the economic impact to the preschool across the street. So it is our belief that as the Montecito BAR looked and evaluated this they unanimously supported this tree pole configuration in this location.

And we trust that they will ensure as part of their final approvals, that the tree pole will be appropriate and fitting with Montecito's visual character. We have suggested and they suggested that there be a bond for the ongoing maintenance of the tree to ensure that it does throughout its 20 or so year life continue to look appropriate As you can see, this is a far cry and a vast improvement over a lot of tree poles that we have seen I think of the five to ten year ago era. These current poles are very realistic and they will blend well with the With the local environment. The other criteria that I just want to underscore is the standard permit condition, that there will be ongoing monitoring of the radio frequency emissions from this facility according to the permit for a five year period and we want to underscore the importance of that as well.

So with those understandings it's our belief that the tree pole is a superior alternative and is one that the appellant support. And if your board is willing to...I understand we can't quite give an approval today Because the findings haven't been prepared yet, but that may be possible in relatively short order And so we would look to your board to giving support and direction to staff to pursue the tree pole alternative In lieu of the rooftop antenna Thank You. Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:43:58 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Thank you. Mr Shatillo if we could have the applicants The applicant come forward mr. J Higgins

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:44:08 · ≈ 10:44 AM

Morning, Mr. Chair. Jay Higgins representing Verizon Wireless this morning. I know we don't have too much time so it'll be a little bit of a challenge to capture the last six months of meetings and discussions with the neighborhood, the Montecito Association, the appellants, and to cover the 19 different properties and designs that we researched. But I'll try to get that done here very quickly in about three minutes. In May of last year as you know, the Montecito Planning Commission unanimously approved our project on the top of the building Last August, we were before you because that approval was appealed. And you'll recall that we agreed to work with the appellants to find perhaps an alternative location that would meet their needs.

So at that time, we essentially stopped what we were doing and re-engaged our acquisition group to scour the area for possible alternatives. Now when we approached them with that task, their response was, Jay, we've done that for five years, and there aren't any suitable locations for a tower in Montecito. And in fact, that did occur for quite some time. Trying to find a good property in Montecito is not easy with the topography and the tree cover. You've heard that before.

So by and large it turned out to be true that there wasn't really a good place alternatively speaking for a tower or any other place in Montecito for another site or different site. But nonetheless we did re-engage a lot of properties that we had I'm going to start by saying that we did a lot of research previously and also introduced new properties at the request of the appellant. So by the end of last year, we had amassed a total of 18 properties, all of which were researched by our planners, our real estate specialist attorneys and engineers. And at that time, about the end of last fall, we figured it was we were satisfied with So as we were ready to do that, we got one more request from the appellants for just one more property.

And that one was slightly outside of our search area at the corner of Hot Springs and Olive Mill. It had potential so we decided to put it in the hopper, so to speak. We engaged the property owner this time. The property owner was a county. We discussed business terms with the Public Works Department, pulled a title report, surveyed the property for boundaries and underlying easements, contacted all the utility companies that appeared to have underground lines in the area.

And even engaged an arborist to tell us whether or not there would be any biological impacts of locating a facility in that triangle park. We also submitted an application to BAR and presented the concept to them on March 4th And as a result of our research, various title constraints, easement constraints and the rather vigorous comments of the BAR, we can surmise that particular property is not suitable for a cell site.

Along the same timeline last year, the neighbors asked us whether or not we would consider a tree pole in the parking lot like Mr. Chatillo said, putting the antennas up in the air would definitely improve coverage and also lower the EME emissions at grade So we did supply a third party engineering report that substantiated our findings and also brought that particular project to the BAR.

Cautiously interested, I would say. We did a site visit. BAR members came out most of them. Most of them also in addition visited one of our recent installations in Goleta of a tree pole and that was what turned the tide with the BAR members actually seeing it in person not seeing it with exhibits or photo simulations caused them to give us unanimous support for the project so That particular design is one that we obviously support. And you've heard from the neighbors, they support it. And again, it's due to the fact that the technology has advanced to the point that they really do look like real live trees.

The Goleta tree pole has been up for a year. We've received zero complaints. I don't believe the city's received any complaints. And if you weren't part of that process or didn't actually see it going in, you wouldn't know it was there. So just to wrap up. The tree pole on the property does make room for AT&T wireless. We understand that's a favorable development for them and the neighbors, and with that I can wrap up. Oh by the way we are certainly willing to work with staff on appropriate condition of approval for ongoing maintenance. That's not a problem, and I just wanted to thank Verizon Wireless for giving us the extra time in budget to go through this exercise over the last six months.

And so we've got two alternatives one on roof, one on the tree And we're waiting for your direction on which one to pursue. I wanted to also save some time for Verizon's attorney, Paul Albritton, who I think would like to speak after public comment if appropriate, if not now. Now would be good.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:49:14 · ≈ 10:49 AM

Hi, Paul Albritton outside counsel for Verizon Wireless. I don't want to take much of your time. I think Jay summed up the time and effort that Verizon Wireless is in. And I want to echo the time and money that they put into, I think trying to get the right answer for the community. We've sent you abundant letters explaining to you the federal reasons, federal law reasons why you should be encouraged to approve a facility either facility in a timely manner. I do have for the record say that Environmental effects of radio frequency emissions are not grounds for denial of a facility, whether it's the fear of those EMFs or the actual EMS themselves. And that's in two cases that are cited in our materials, ATT versus Carlsbad and Verizon Wireless versus the County of Madera.

Verizon Wireless is obviously proposing this alternative solution in order to work with the community to come up with a solution. I want to emphasize that a lot of time has passed. We're eight months beyond the deadline that the federal law would have given you to approve or deny a facility and so we would very much, for this process to move forward, have the findings and conditions prepared for you to hear them next week. We're available for any questions you have and thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:50:21 · ≈ 10:50 AM

Thank you. We do have one speaker. But before we turn it over to them, I just want to really thank Verizon, Mr. Higgins and Mr. Shatillo and the residents that have been working on this issue. It's always great when the community and everyone can come together to find common ground. And I think this is a great example of a win-win so I'm elated that everybody has come together for this compromise today. But why don't we go to Mr. Marshall?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:50:55 · ≈ 10:50 AM

Mr. Chairman, even though it looks like this matter may be headed toward settlement, we would advise that the board nonetheless make ex parte disclosures for the record.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:51:05 · ≈ 10:51 AM

We are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:51:06 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Should we get to that now? We should do that before

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:51:08 · ≈ 10:51 AM

public comment. Okay great thank you so much. Ex parte Supervisor Farr

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:51:15 · ≈ 10:51 AM

I think I just received the same emails and letters as probably the rest of the board.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:51:21 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Yeah, I've had no outside, outside of the regular emails, no other outside contact.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:51:28 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Yes, I received quite a few emails and also the document that was referenced by council.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction1:51:36 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:51:37 · ≈ 10:51 AM

email traffic. I have done some site visits with Mr. Jay Higgins and other Verizon staff, I've had meetings with Martha Kaye, Mary Goolsby, Galit Asayan, Don Archer, Brent and Lizzie Pius, Susan and Jeff Crosby, Mary Rose, and obviously the post hearing Jay Higgins and Mark Stillo. Having said that, having done ex parte we will now go to the public. Mr. Allen?

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction1:52:08 · ≈ 10:52 AM

We have one speaker,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:52:09 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Jeffrey Young.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:52:17 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Mr Chairman, members of the board, thank you for giving me the time to speak. It seems as if things are headed in a direction that I'm not particularly fond of, but I'll start with my background. I am a fellow who started a wireless site development company in the early 1990s and I built about 3,000 of these facilities around the United States and in Latin America so I have some expertise on the matter.

I guess the issue for me more than anything else is as a resident of San Ysidro Road in Bolero right there in your district The tree and the height of the tree is of concern. The masking of the facility at the switch facility, there at the AT&T facility where it is right now, is more in keeping with the semi-rural neighborhood characteristic of the community and what is expected in the community and what MBAR is charged with preserving. The kind of absurd result of a 75 foot tree which is almost double the size The existing trees in the neighborhood will become an obvious, at least in my opinion given my experience, an obvious sell site when a facility is available on the building right there that can be masked so that the antennas aren't actually seen.

This result is a consequence of a few local residents who are concerned about RF emissions which as you're well aware under the Telecom Act is not a permissible basis for termination associated with whether or not a facility should be cited. You know, kind of accordingly the aesthetic concerns are not being properly addressed in terms of the development and construction of a tree double the size of any other. So with an option of a facility which would be masked completely and keep in the context of a semi-rural character of the neighborhood versus a tree that's double the size of any other And that's the primary basis for a concern to be addressed. It seems to me that approval of this facility is really not proper under the standards by which you folks are supposed to operate.

I understand the political realities and the desire to have kind of a compromise, but it's a compromise for a few local residents who are concerned about RF emissions that frankly are not a basis for concern. That's fundamentally the issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:54:43 · ≈ 10:54 AM

Thank you Mr. Young. I do appreciate your comments. I'm going to bring it back now to our board and council if you could just help me out here. It is in the first district, I think. Notwithstanding the comments by Mr. Young, which I think have some valid points, I think that the fact that you don't have any other members of the community here just resonates with this extensive process that has occurred in the community in terms of what are the trade-offs in terms of this compromise solution? So council if you could help guide me here, Conceptually move this settlement agreement forward in a way that allows staff to come back with all the appropriate findings to approve this settlement solution that has been reached. So what would be the motion I would be making?

Is that adequate? I see Mr. Russell chomping to give me some guidance. Mr. Russell.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:55:56 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Chair Carbajal, members of the board should you wish to pursue this settlement as you referred to it our recommendation would be that you continue the hearing for one week to your March 19th hearing and direct staff to return with findings of approval for the faux tree which could then be discussed in more detail at that time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:18 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Is that appropriate counsel?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:56:20 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board yes

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:56:25 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Okay without objection that's a motion. Motion has been made, seconded. Further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? Passes unanimously. Thank you very much We are now going to proceed with item number four

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:56:45 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Excuse me chairman Thank you. Just a question for agenda management as I'm looking ahead, I anticipate this item to be relatively quick and then we have the energy action plan scheduled for an hour and then we have two fee packages. Would it be the board's desire to go ahead and initiate the energy action plan or would it be your desire?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:57:16 · ≈ 10:57 AM

I have been asked by one of my colleagues to give consideration to delaying it, but in light of the agenda and in light of the precedent that would set because we do have such a span of time. I think we're just going to proceed and with all the respect to my colleague who requested it, I think we're just gonna move forward with the climate action change.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:57:32 · ≈ 10:57 AM

Thank you so staff be on deck and be aware what we're going to do as far as keeping on our original schedule

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction1:57:45 · ≈ 10:57 AM

Chairman Carbajal, members of the board. Item number four is from planning and development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations of the Montecito Planning Commission to approve case number 120RD16 which would amend division 35.9, the Montecito Land Use and Development Code administration of section 35-2, the Santa Barbara County Montecito Land Use and Development Code of chapter 35 zoning of the Santa Barbara County code to give the director the discretion to grant additional extension to the time period in which the reconstruction of a non-conforming structure must commence in situations where substantial offsite infrastructure improvements are required to be completed prior to commencement of reconstruction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:58:27 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Thank you very much. Ms. Black?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:58:30 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board, Mr. Lengel will give the presentation on this item but I just wanted to set the stage as you can see from the slide, this is really in response to some fire situations that we've encountered mainly in the first district resulting from the T-fire and there are several sets of properties within the confines of the T fire that have found it very difficult to reconstruct following the fire And so we're really trying to address fire rebuilds. I'll have Mr. Lengel briefly present this, I don't think this item will take very long.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:59:09 · ≈ 10:59 AM

Mr. Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors just real briefly The situation in front of us is that we have several non-conforming structures within the Montecito planning area that have not been able to rebuild within the normal timeframes. Non-conforming structures are those that were lawfully built either prior to zoning or before amendments to the zoning ordinance that rendered them then non-conforming to the current regulations The Montecito Land Use and Development Code provides that a non-conforming structure that is damaged or destroyed by natural disaster may be reconstructed as it previously existed, provided that reconstruction commences within 24 months of the time of damage. It also allows the Director to grant one time extension.

But if the reconstruction does not commence within the initial 24 months or extension is granted by the director, then the structure may only be reconstructed in a manner that conforms to the current zoning regulations. In November 13th of 2008, the T-5 damage destroyed approximately 168 structures within the Montecito planning area and adjacent county incorporated areas A significant number of these were considered to be non-conforming structures due to their age and the time in which they were built.

On November 13, 2010, the two year anniversary of that fire, the Planning and Department Director did grant several two year time extensions to owners who for various reasons were not able to commence the reconstruction within the initial two years. Even with the additional two years, however, some owners were not still able to commence reconstruction due to requirements to complete substantial off-site improvements prior to reconstruction. And some of these involved having to reconstruct roadways to meet current standards.

Under the Montecito LUDC, these nonconforming structures could only be rebuilt in compliance with the current regulations. So we are proposing this amendment in order to give the director the discretion to grant an additional or second time extension in situations where it is warranted due to the requirement to construct substantial off-site improvements. The second extension is limited to 36 months The applicant must apply either prior to the expiration of a previous extension or within 180 days following the expiration of the extension.

Neighbors are noticed of the application for the second extension, and the Director's decision on the request for the second time extension may be appealed to the Montecito Planning Commission and to your Board of Supervisors if necessary. So our recommendations are that you make the findings for approval and attachment A of the staff report, determine that this ordinance is exempt from CEQA.

And adopt the ordinance case number 12 ORD0000016, attachment C to the board agenda letter. That concludes staff's presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:02:11 · ≈ 11:02 AM

Thank you Mr. Mango there are no public speakers and if I could just put this in context for you. In light of the fires there has been a number of people that have not been able to give back to rebuilding their homes in the unincorporated area mostly the first district little bit of the second district And what this does is just allow a bit more time for them to be able to move forward with their projects. It's very simple, cut and dry, and it's building on an ordinance that we've already had in place. It's extending it. Supervisor Adam?

I'm just wondering

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:02:44 · ≈ 11:02 AM

can you explain a couple of cases why they haven't got their permits after 24 months?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:02:50 · ≈ 11:02 AM

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Adam, There are a number of residences off what is known as Upper Hyde in the Montecito planning area. I'm sorry? A number of residences that are located on what is known as Upper Hyde Street in the Montecito planning area because of the age when this community was constructed, the road standards at that point in time were not as as substantial as they are now and that in order to be able to grant permits to reconstruct those residences, they have to bring up the road according to the new or the present Montecito Fire Protection District standards.

And the Montecito Fire Protection District will not clear those permits for reconstruction until the roadway is in place to meet their current requirements. A lot of this involves widening or grade changes things of that nature

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CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:03:54 · ≈ 11:03 AM

So they will not allow them to rebuild the house that existed before without widening or otherwise improving the road? That's correct. Are these roads county roads? They're all private. Wow, that's unfortunate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:17 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Thank you Mr. Adam. Anybody else? I do. Supervisor Farr?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:04:22 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Or Wolfe?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:04:22 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Oh, Supervisor Wolfe, I'm sorry. I haven't had enough sugar this morning.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:04:27 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this is... First of all, I am in favor of this but I'm wondering if it's too limiting because it is only in situations where there is a substantial off-site improvements are required. What And maybe there isn't this case, but what if there was another reason why a homeowner couldn't rebuild? Are they limited just to this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:04:55 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Wolf, it's a very good question. I think as your board is aware this time extension would only apply to non-conforming structures if people have structures that conform or they want to rebuild conforming structures they can do that under any timeframe but for non-conforming structures the purpose of the ordinance is to try and phase those out If possible, obviously we want to be compassionate and allow people to rebuild following a fire and rebuild what they had.

The current ordinance allows two years to do that with the possibility of an extension. Most people who have non-conforming structures do in fact rebuild their structures. What we were trying to address in this particular ordinance was those situations where they really just didn't have control. And the major reason why people don't have control is because there's some off-site improvement that needs to occur, so that's why we limited it to those particular situations. The intent wasn't to open up rebuilding of all nonconforming structures for a longer period of time but just those where they really don't have control over the situation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:06:06 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Okay. Well, so what if someone hasn't settled with their insurance company yet or they're in litigation and it's non-conforming? They cannot apply for this extension. That's correct. Are there other instances... Do you know of instances like that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:06:26 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Mr. Chair and Commissioner Wolf, we don't have any other situations that I'm aware of where people have discussed the need for additional time to rebuild just the people associated with these particular road improvements. All right well thank you for bringing this forward.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:06:42 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Supervisor Adam? I'm just wondering, maybe this one's for County Council. I was wondering at what point you know because these people have an investment back to expectation living in a house and then it gets burned down and then through no Because of factors beyond their control We can't give them a permit to do the exact same thing they were doing before And I'm just wondering at what point does the county start to incur some liability? Because we won't let somebody Do what they were doing before on property that they're still paying the taxes on and You know, I mean maybe we've got an issue the permit and tell him to have a fight with Montecito fire instead of Taking the side of Montecito Fire and potentially incurring some liability for us.

Thank you Mr. Adam. Council?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:07:49 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Yes, over time we have had occasion to research the issues of non-conforming uses and we don't believe that this non conforming use policy and the expansion that's being proposed really creates any liability for the county

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:08:10 · ≈ 11:08 AM

I'm sure that was responsive to the question. The question was, at what point does liability attach to any party whether it be Montecito Fire or the county? If you deny the permit to do the thing that they were doing before, which must have been reasonable because they were permitted to do it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:08:37 · ≈ 11:08 AM

When would liability attach to a non-county operation? I don't really know if liability would attach. We would analyze liability from the standpoint of the county and whether or not we would generate any liability by our actions. And as I indicated earlier We see no liability to the county by adhering to the non-conforming use, and particularly any liability would be further reduced by the simple fact that they are making it even more flexible with this proposal.

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CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:09:16 · ≈ 11:09 AM

If I own one of those homes, I would be livid and being sort of the litigious kind of a guy. I would want somebody's head on a pike if I was waiting around for somebody to do something beyond my control to be able to do the thing that I was doing before. So I would think that somebody is going to challenge that at some point because they've got an investment backed expectation I think it is absurd to have a family member who has been in their home and through no fault of their own, it burned down. And now through no fault of their own they are not being allowed to replace it. I think that's absurd . »:

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:09:58 · ≈ 11:09 AM

I will move this item forward. There is no more discussion? Is there a second? Motion has been made and seconded. Further discussion? Not having any? All those We don't have no public comment. Again, let's repeat that vote. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? Passes. We will now

move on to Item 5. As you can see it is 11-12. Supervisor Lavanillo?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:10:33 · ≈ 11:10 AM

Mr. Chair I request about a five or ten minute break please. Five minutes?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:10:38 · ≈ 11:10 AM

Sure, five minute break.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:10:45 · ≈ 11:10 AM

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:11:14 · ≈ 11:11 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:15:20 · ≈ 11:15 AM

Hi. ♪ Hi. I'd like to reconvene our board meeting and Mr. Allen if you could read item number five

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:17:09 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Chairman Carbajal and members of the board, item five is from planning and development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the climate action strategy phase two energy and climate action plan briefing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:17:20 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Thank you Mr. Allen I see Mr. Hunt who is going to lead this presentation

PresenterJeff HuntLong-Range PlanningProposedself-stated2:17:28 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Good morning Chair and Supervisors. I'm Jeff Hunt, Deputy Director of Long-Range Planning. With me this morning is Heather Ingram the project manager for this item. We also have Leanne Singleton our consultant from PMC and with that Heather will give the staff presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:17:49 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Good morning Chairman Carbajal and Board of Supervisors We are here today to provide you with an update on the development of the Energy and Climate Action Plan, and seek direction from your board on the project description to be studied in environmental review. The Energy and Climate Action Plan is the second phase of the county's climate action strategy. In 2009, the board adopted a resolution which directed staff to take immediate cost-effective and coordinated steps to reduce the county's collective greenhouse gas emissions or GHG emissions.

Following this, staff initiated the climate action strategy, and phase one was completed with the climate action study which was accepted by your board in September of 2011. After completion of this study, staff began the development of the Energy and Climate Action Plan which we are here to discuss today. Development of the plan included a public outreach effort from spring to fall of 2012.

Following this briefing, staff intends to complete environmental review on the Energy and Climate Action Plan and bring the project forward for final approval later this year. CEQA requires the analysis of potential impacts from greenhouse gas emissions. There are two basic paths which can be taken to comply with CEQA. The first is through programmatic review, with the use of the Climate Action Plan consistent with the CEQAs guidelines.

Staff interprets this to require a GHG reduction target of at least 15% below baseline emissions. This would allow individual project applicants to rely on the plan for their CEQA analysis, removing the burden and cost of quantifying and analyzing impacts. The second path is to analyze impacts on a project-by-project basis through the use of county specific thresholds.

In this path each project would be subject to project specific analysis and mitigation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:19:55 · ≈ 11:19 AM

I'm sorry, just one question. So are you saying that if you go back to that? The left path is the one we're pursuing with what's being considered today, correct? Chairman Carbajal that is correct. CEQA requires by law that we do it one way or the other but it will be done. That's correct and on the right path if we don't pursue this plan that you have before us every single project will have to do expensive environmental review project-by-project

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:20:29 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Chairman Carbajal, that is correct. They would have to complete their own environmental review. This would likely require the county to develop our own thresholds of significance for GHG emissions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:20:40 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Thank you I just want to make sure I understood what you were saying

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:20:46 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Climate action plans are living documents that follow four basic steps through a cyclical process. Step one is to complete a GHG inventory and forecast. Step two, set a GHG reduction target. Step three, create a plan with emission reduction measures to meet the target. And step four is to implement and monitor the plan. If a plan is adopted, staff would monitor the progress of its implementation and re-inventory emissions at least every five years to measure progress towards the target. Revisions would be made as necessary to meet goals.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:21:18 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Supervisor Adam? I was just wondering where the cost evaluation step is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:21:28 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Chairman and Supervisor Adam are you referring to the implement and monitor step? We are still in the process of evaluating the costs associated with the emission reduction measures depending on what option The board wishes to pursue an environmental review and when we come back with final adoption, we would present those costs as part of the plan

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:21:56 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Okay, we're gonna talk about that a little bit later. Thank you supervisor Lavineau

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:22:00 · ≈ 11:22 AM

so then So each option that's presented doesn't have a price tag on it where we'd be able to, where we're supposed to pick one and then find out what it costs later.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:22:11 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Chairman Carbajal and Supervisor, that is correct.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:22:15 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Supervisor,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:16 · ≈ 11:22 AM

I'm

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:22:16 · ≈ 11:22 AM

glad I didn't order dinner with

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:18 · ≈ 11:22 AM

you

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction2:22:18 · ≈ 11:22 AM

guys. Maybe you have to pass the thing and then find out how much it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:21 · ≈ 11:22 AM

costs? You actually have to study it to know how much it costs. Chairman Kerbal, that's correct. Please continue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:22:35 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Staff completed public outreach during the development of the emission reduction measures. The outreach effort was completed through various venues including a public workshop in April 2012 providing information at the Santa Barbara Earth Day Festival an online survey and stakeholder meetings held in June and October 2012 The outreach was intended to educate the public on climate action planning and provide opportunities for the community to give input into the development of the Energy and Climate Action Plan.

Staff has identified five options which could be set as the project description for the Energy and Climate Action Plan. All of the options use the same GHG reduction measures and change how they are implemented to achieve more or less reduction. Staff is still evaluating the costs associated with the reduction measures in the options, and will bring forward costs with a final plan.

Option 1 would achieve a 10% reduction target through the implementation of the reduction measures on a voluntary basis. This relies on providing incentives and educational programs. This option does not meet the minimum requirements to allow the Energy and Climate Action Plan to be used for programmatic tiering at future projects. Option two would achieve a 15% target through the implementation of voluntary measures and adds in the Sustainable Community Strategy, or SCS, and community choice aggregation.

Even though this option reaches 15%, the ability to use the plan for CEQA is unlikely due to the lack of required standards. I will now explain a bit about selecting a plan with the SCS or community choice aggregation as measures. SBCAG is in the process of completing the SCS based on the preferred scenario of transit-oriented development plus an enhanced transit strategy.

If the county commits to fully implementing the SCS, the county can take credit for the reductions achieved through SCS implementation in the Energy and Climate Action Plan. Including community choice aggregation in the plan would mean that the county is interested in pulling the buying power of its constituents To purchase electricity, likely in the collaboration with other local jurisdictions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:24:53 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:24:56 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair just going back to the SCS. In some of the material that was presented there was a notation about Hollister Avenue it was kind of identified and And specified in the staff report, which was unusual. I think that of all the streets in the county that was the one street that was identified. So if we move forward with an option that incorporates SCS, that we are very specific in stating that it applies to SCS and does not include any other specific street Thank you Mr. Chair.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:26:03 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Community choice aggregation provides the ability to control the source of electricity, which allows for an increased supply of alternative energy and the ability to control electric rates. Option three includes phased reduction measures which involve monitoring the extent of voluntary compliance and then after 2015 requiring compliance if the voluntary approach is not meeting the target.

This option also includes community choice aggregation. The phased measures in Option 3 include energy audit at building permit issuance, energy upgrades at the time of sale, a green building program and energy upgrades at industrial facilities. Sequiteering is possible under this option with the inclusion of the phased measures However, the feasibility of implementing community choice aggregation in this community is currently unknown. Making the possibility of using the plan for tiering is also unknown.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:27:04 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:27:05 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair. You know I met with a supervisor from Sonoma and she was telling me about that CCA program that they have and you actually referenced Sonoma along with some other counties and I guess Santa Barbara, the city of Santa Barbara is moving forward What is the downside for us including that in one of whatever option we select? Is it the cost that might be incorporated? Why wouldn't we do that if the City of Santa Barbara is already looking at it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:27:40 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Chairman Carbajal and Supervisor Wolf, the downside is just the unknown. Since we don't know the feasibility of it which would be the cost to develop the program how many people would need to participate in the program whether there's other jurisdictions who would develop it with us Since we don't know the cost of the time to develop the program, we're not sure if it would actually be implemented at a later date. Additionally, we need to make these reductions by 2020 and it's possible that that program might not be up and running by 2020.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:28:16 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Chairman Carbajal, Supervisor Wolff to just add a little bit to what Heather just said. For most of the measures we have currently a tool that gives us rough cost estimates both to the county and to the applicants for their implementation these would be refined during the process of environmental review however the community choice aggregation is such a major program that it would require a feasibility study Before we considered adopting it so that sort of sets that measure apart from the others. So if we were to move forward with that as a choice, we would have to return with a proposal for a feasibility study because it is a fairly significant endeavor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:29:01 · ≈ 11:29 AM

Mr. Russell I understand the city Santa Barbara has already approved The funding to do a feasibility study for community choice aggregate. Is there any way we could take advantage and benefit from that study? And I don't know if you know any knowledge of it, but it certainly would be a way to not duplicate the wheel if we decided to go in that direction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:29:24 · ≈ 11:29 AM

Chairman Carbajal, supervisors should that be the desire of the board community choice aggregation as one of the measures to study as part of the project description in the environmental document, it would seem likely to me that we would propose a partnership with the city in a feasibility study. The exact funding of which would be the subject of further discussions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:29:50 · ≈ 11:29 AM

Great thank you. Please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:29:57 · ≈ 11:29 AM

Option 4, which is the staff recommendation involves one phased measure plus requiring compliance with three reduction measures. These are the four same measures which were discussed in option 3. Additionally this option would require compliance with two more reduction measures. RE1 that would require new buildings to install renewable energy systems or be renewable energy ready And RE2, which would require new residential development to participate in California's state solar thermal rebate program.

Option four also includes implementation of the sustainable community strategy. Option four would also achieve a 15% reduction target through the implementation of voluntary phased and mandatory measures. This option would very likely allow for the document to be used for sequituring. It should be noted that this option does not include community choice aggregation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:30:55 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Supervisor Farr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:30:56 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Staff in looking at this big chart here there were a lot of things listed under option one which I realize doesn't meet the goal however it's not clear to me whether these are folded into any of the other options it appears that they don't and a lot of them seem like they're all of them seem like they're really good things so can you explain that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:31:25 · ≈ 11:31 AM

Chairman Carbajal, Supervisor Farr. Option one has a list of voluntary measures and as we move forward from option one to option five all of the options build off the measures in option one so when we get into option three and we start talking about phasing the measures it's taking those same measures and changing how we implement them from a voluntary program to a mandatory program. So on the chart you're referring to where there's a dot We're taking the same approach all the way across. And where there's text, it's illustrating how that measure would be changed in its implementation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:32:03 · ≈ 11:32 AM

OK so if it's just a dot, that doesn't mean it's not included. It means it is included and it's incorporated in its entirety unless there's some other text that changes. That's correct. So those would all be continued as voluntary measures throughout all the rest of the options if they have a dot? That's correct. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:32:24 · ≈ 11:32 AM

Please proceed.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:32:30 · ≈ 11:32 AM

Finally, option five achieves over a 20% GHG reduction target through the implementation of the same six reduction measures that were discussed in option four. Plus adding a zero net waste goal and requiring all residential and non-residential properties to conduct an energy audit and implement retrofits to reduce energy by 30%. Or verify such savings through another program.

And requiring all residential properties greater than 10 years old to conduct an energy audit and implement the energy efficiency measures. This option would allow for CEQA, but is not recommended by staff as it would be very costly to implement. Of the options identified, staff recommends option four to be set as the project description to be studied in the environmental impact report. This option provides a balanced approach of voluntary phased and mandatory measures, achieves a 15% reduction target and would allow project applicants to rely on the plan for programmatic tiering under CEQA.

This would relieve them of the burden and cost of analyzing impacts on a project by project basis. In closing Staff recommends that your board accept staff's recommendation to develop the Energy and Climate Action Plan with a target of 15% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from the baseline level through the development of option four as the project description to be studied in the Environmental Impact Report.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:34:01 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Thank you. Mr. Allen, how many public speakers do we have? We have 12 requests to speak. Great. Why don't we go to the public? Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:34:12 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Quick question on page nine this little handy chart that you gave us there's an area where it says that not included in the county inventory and over to the left it says countywide electricity use I guess the essence of my question is have we included our own county buildings and in any of this Is or is outline the county buildings.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:34:48 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Chairman Supervisor Wolf, I'm going to let my consultant answer that question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:34:53 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Good morning Mr Chair, Supervisor. The county facilities were included in a municipal operations inventory or a county operations inventory that is separate from this community wide inventory. That's a separate set of results.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:35:13 · ≈ 11:35 AM

So if we can see reductions in our county facilities, why wouldn't that be incorporated into our options? Why are we separating it out?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:35:27 · ≈ 11:35 AM

That's a great question. What happens is with many of the counties facilities being located in the cities, this project is focused on the unincorporated county and the parts where the planning department has the ability to influence reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. For land use, but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:35:47 · ≈ 11:35 AM

we do have a lot in the county. For instance, the Kyrie L center or the Kyrie L complex. I guess it would just be interesting to see what that number is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:35:59 · ≈ 11:35 AM

supervisor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:36:00 · ≈ 11:36 AM

You might be able to get us that later.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:36:02 · ≈ 11:36 AM

Supervisor Wolf, maybe I could add to that. Today we were supposed to have our sustainability plan as well for the county but for the life of me, I can't seem to get it on the agenda. So it will be coming to us in a few weeks and that will have all the internal county operation sustainability issues, energy use and all those issues that you're raising as a separate item Like I said, it was my hope that it would come today all together but we haven't been able to get it on and that will be coming to us shortly.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:36:35 · ≈ 11:36 AM

Okay, I appreciate that. And then could that be incorporated as an offset in one of these options?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:36:45 · ≈ 11:36 AM

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:36:45 · ≈ 11:36 AM

thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:36:45 · ≈ 11:36 AM

you. I don't know who was first. I'm assuming Mr. Lavinino will defer to our colleague. Always. Supervisor Ford and Supervisor Lavinino?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:36:55 · ≈ 11:36 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Staff, I'm just looking since you have highlighted option four the requirement for new residents to participate in the state CSI thermal rebate program. It's my understanding that That solar water heating only helped to raise the temperature enough, but not necessarily was not hot. So there was energy savings in that whatever then was being used to heat it, a tankless water heater or regular water heater that it didn't have to use much energy to bring it up to the temperature that you wanted. But clearly this is a program that can heat it as hot as you need it.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:37:37 · ≈ 11:37 AM

Supervisor, the program is relying on the standard solar thermal. It doesn't eliminate the energy needed to fully supply the hot water but it does reduce a significant amount of it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:37:52 · ≈ 11:37 AM

Okay so what is the benefit of requiring this over a tankless water heater which also reduces energy and brings it up to the temperature that you need?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:38:07 · ≈ 11:38 AM

There are different options. The solar is one that seems to reduce more energy use than a tankless and that there's funding available to support thermal solar energy use at this point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:22 · ≈ 11:38 AM

But I mean, I think the requirements are much different as far as the building of it. So for solar you've got to have a lot of it outside where for tankless they're small and they fit in the interior. Because you called it out as a requirement, I'm trying to better understand why you picked this. But it seems like it's primarily because there may be some money that could be rebated for it? That's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:38:50 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Lavinino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:38:52 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And Supervisor Wolf kind of identified this page that has our inventory on here and I noticed that two-thirds of it is just on road transportation in the unincorporated county but right below that is livestock emissions and I was wondering if you could identify those. And how would we have a plan to reduce that? Is it what I think it is?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:39:20 · ≈ 11:39 AM

It's supervisor, it's methane generation from cattle and other livestock in the county. There is limited ability to reduce those greenhouse gas emissions. In places where the animals are not on range land there is options for methane digesters that could be implemented though that's not included in this plan I don't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:39:44 · ≈ 11:39 AM

believe. All right thanks. Thank you we're now going to go to the public

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:39:48 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Mr Allen? We'll start in Santa Maria with Robert Jeffers to be followed by Joe Armendariz.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:40:01 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Morning Chairman Carbajal and members of the board. I'm here before you because there's so much to be covered in this, I'm going to stick to one specific topic but I'm gonna request that your board reject the results and recommendations of your staff in total. I find that there is no need their report is full of assumptions and they use a bunch of bogus measures to be able to achieve their numbers First, and they state openly that there are no mandates placed on local governments at this time for the reductions. Staff believes the state may require reductions from us. Now this is erroneous because as of the passage of SB 375 Sacramento has acknowledged the lack of pollution Santa Barbara County produces overall and is for that period of time that SB 375 covers they're just asking for no growth at all not a reduction They also are akin to using qualitative measures as compared to quantitative ones.

For those that don't remember, they're a high school science class. Qualitative means it looks like the air is clean today. It looks like the air is dirty today and these are not objective at all and impossible to measure going forward for any sort of reductions. They acknowledge the lack of methodology they use to estimate their greenhouse gas emissions And in their own report, they completely neglected all the negative public comments that went through their workshop period.

They claimed that it was overwhelmingly supported. I was at one of those meetings. It looked more like a celebrity roast than a workshop. So the main area I want to hit you guys on is understanding the areas you cannot control, but you will be required to have measures for because we all share the same air. First is Los Padres. You have one fire during this period of time while you're trying to reduce your emissions and it's going to impact the air quality for the entire county.

Vandenberg Air Force Base, let's just face it, it's airplanes, rockets, heavy industry and commuters. And you've got no control over that. UCSB, they don't even give you any numbers because they don't know how to estimate the amount of power and resources they use. Highway 101 is an extra county highway that is a transportation artery throughout the entire state and the entire continent. You've got no control over who goes up it and how often.

And then of course there's the natural, this static or they also use the term biogenic sources. Your trees, wild lands and the natural seeps we have off our coasts. It is known that the amount of organic compounds released in the atmosphere off the coast of Santa Barbara produces more hydrocarbons one-and-a-half times more hydrocarbons than the entire traffic rate of Santa Barbara County And then this is the point where I did actually bring handouts, but I couldn't make it down to Santa Barbara. So these are available for you all if you'd like copies.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:43:03 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Thank you Mr. Jeffers. There's a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:43:04 · ≈ 11:43 AM

problem.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:43:05 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Thank you very much and just so you know I was paid attention in class. I don't think you're done. You are done! I'm just making a joke in light of what you said about the quantitative and qualitative. Thank you very much.

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:43:20 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Next speaker is Joe Armendariz to be followed by Robin Hayhurst in Santa Maria.

PresenterJoe ArmendarizSanta Barbara County Taxpayers AssociationProposedself-stated2:43:26 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Good morning Board of Supervisors, Chairman Carbajal. I'm Joe Armendariz representing Santa Barbara County Taxpayers Association. I was a little amused by the response to Supervisor Adam when he asked what are the costs associated with this and and he was told well we don't know the costs we need to figure out those costs as we go forward but then staff doesn't recommend option five because they say it's too costly So we either know what the costs are, or we don't. But let me just suggest something. Regulation is very costly.

Indeed a study recently showed that in California regulation cost the economy about $500 billion a year. This would of course partially explain why we have a 12% unemployment rate, a 24% underemployment rate, including a 25% unemployment rate among minorities and teenagers. In looking at your website this morning, I was struck by a couple of your priorities. One of them says accountability, the other customer focus and efficiency is the third. And I'm curious who is this action plan going to be accountable to? Is it going to be accountable to the taxpayers who are gonna pay for it?

Industry, who's gonna basically be regulated by it. Or is it being accountable to the special interests who make money in consulting in terms of pursuing and promoting these type of plans and or strategies? Where is the customer focus? Who's the customer here? Is it the taxpayer and is this really something you want to do your customers, make it more difficult to sell property, make it more difficult to create jobs.

And this is not efficient. This is a very inefficient process and frankly I think it's a diversion and a distraction for your board which I would expect would be focused almost like a laser beam on economic vitality In order to generate the revenue that you need to pay, to provide the essential programs and services. And frankly, to pay for your public employee pension costs which are not going down they're going up. And so this is exactly the wrong approach we encourage your board to reject this and to focus your attention on more productive matters thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:45:38 · ≈ 11:45 AM

Thank You Mr. Armendariz.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:45:40 · ≈ 11:45 AM

Our next speaker is Robin Hayhurst to be followed by Ted Sands here in Santa Barbara

CommentRobin HayhurstProposed2:45:45 · ≈ 11:45 AM

Good morning everyone at Santa Barbara, Chairman Carbajal and the other supervisors. This is a laudably comprehensive proposal that they put before you regarding causes but it's a little short on analyzing the effects. There's a vast swatch of county land that isn't even addressed here and it's not subject to these kinds of restrictions and measures that are being proposed. From the construction industry, and I represent the stakeholder of the Santa Maria Valley Contractors Association, Title 24 plus all the enhanced green building standards have certainly more than suggested that that industry could be exempted from constant further targeting.

Options 3 and 4 focus on shifting voluntary measures into the realm of mandatory. I believe that we had a similar conversation, was that 2008 with SPCAG? Where Aspen consultants, very expensive consultant at the time came in and said you know we have almost zero emissions in this county net emissions And yet an option two itself even states that if you chose option two, it would still exceed the targets.

And that remains voluntary and marries to SBCAG's Sustainable Communities effort which seems very logical to me. It's simply not fair to require one side of the street to be penalized for eco-political reasons when the other side, and by the way most of the global community doesn't have the kind of restrictions on it that you're proposing here. Promising CEQA exemptions as a caret in option 4 is something that will probably affect very few projects moving forward and somebody brought up the electricity rates, that's not viable I don't even know why that's in there Upgrades to all the residential housings at times of sale and or at times where you're permitting other kinds of work on homes more than 10 years old, which is 99% of the residences in the affected area seems very difficult to monitor.

How are we going to force grandma to finance upgrades when she needs to downsize her house or sell to go into a smaller home when her older home needs that kind of work? Please note that energy audits that would be required cost a homeowner more than $500 at this point in time. And that's why, while CO2 emissions are at a 20-year low, technology continues to provide cleaner fuels and better options. We've already almost achieved our AB 32 climates.

targets, so I'm not sure why we continue analyzing this without also looking at its economic impact. We've been asked how much will it cost? How much revenue will it bring in? How much impact will it actually have on global climate change? Where's the balance here? Green jobs, I got to tell you Empower SBC is an amazing program. Thank you, Ms.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:49 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Hayhurst. If you

CommentRobin HayhurstProposed2:48:51 · ≈ 11:48 AM

could wrap

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:51 · ≈ 11:48 AM

up?

CommentRobin HayhurstProposed2:48:52 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Thank you. Oh, you were going to let me wrap up? Yes. If you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:48:56 · ≈ 11:48 AM

can do it in ten seconds!

CommentRobin HayhurstProposed2:48:59 · ≈ 11:48 AM

I can do it in ten seconds. All right go ahead. Five's ridiculous three and four completely unnecessary keep it mandatory personal responsibility and public awareness is what we're looking for here option two maybe.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:49:11 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Thank You Ms. Hayhurst

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:49:14 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Our next speaker is Ted Sands. Is Mr. Sands still with us? I think he might have left, so our next speaker is Andy Caldwell to be followed by Jeff Bard.

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CommentAndy CaldwellProposedself-stated2:49:27 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Chairman Carbajal, members of the board, I'm Andy Caldwell. I urge you to go with either one or two voluntary. We believe that it is premature to go into a mandated program. You've got to allow the state The state measures to have an impact. You've got the renewable energy portfolio where 33% is going to come from that. You've got standards for cars and fuels, you have SB 375, you have AB 32's cap-and-trade program.

And you have all these measures out there coupled with the fact that since 1990, we've lost up to 15,000 manufacturing and industrial jobs in this county. Secondly, the shift to natural gas across the land nationwide has supposedly reduced our carbon footprint by 20% by going to natural gas. We believe that staff didn't do good math We think if you looked at all of the state measures, the downturn in the economy since 2008, the loss of jobs in this county since 1990 and add up the reduction of all the state measures that we're already there.

We believe we're already there so when it's not mandated And you have the opportunity to let the state rules, including cap and trade play out. Why not give the economy time to recover? And secondly wait to see whether or not the state is gonna mandate this. There's no fire burning under Santa Barbara County to be the first to rush into this program right now we have a couple of years.

And as the bottom line, they're saying we're gonna save some project sequel coverage. Anybody that's close to that threshold is gonna have to do an EIR anyway. We already know that. So you're not really buying anything for the regulated community. All what you're doing is creating an unlevel playing field between somebody that lives in Solving and somebody that's just out of Solving. Somebody that's in Santa Barbara versus Montecito or Hope Ranch.

What you're targeting here is agriculture, industry and residential. And the industry that you have is primarily oil which is already going to be subject to this especially if they are doing steam injection or something else. So all what your really doing is shafting your residential constituents in the unincorporated area and putting them at an unfair, uncompetitive disadvantage with everybody else in this county and most people in this state. It's interesting your staff didn't tell you what other counties are doing in this they didn't even tell you what other cities are doing in this. And we categorically reject that you pull the trigger on the EIR study these policies and then find out later what the costs are We believe the math is crummy.

And if we had more than three minutes, we went to their workshop and we believe we demonstrated to them that their math was crummy. An example given? Not using offshore oil seeps. You guys are claiming you could do nothing about offshore oil seeps. That's a bald-faced lie. Thank you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:52:45 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Jeff Borrow to be followed by Bruce Allen.

CommentJeff BardProposedself-stated2:52:49 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board, thank you. My name is Jeff Bard and as you know I represent the Alliance to Teach Everywhere about community health and basically we have no official position obviously on the options however we are pro-science and I worked on this actually in another county. We're not the first county up in San Luis Obispo Where when they first put their climate action plan in, I was operating under the rubric of the Upland Research Science Action Committee. And in the course of research for the climate action debate up in SLO, I found out that my father was a signatory to the petition of scientists who were climate deniers.

So I called him up And I said, Dad, they're using your name for this ridiculous, obnoxious, pesky climate denier petition. And my father had been a meteorologist for the US Navy, went on and got his first doctorate in physical chemistry and then went on to get his MD. So he is legitimately a scientist. And I was really appalled to see his name on this petition so I called him.

And he started talking about Al Gore. And I said, dad this has got nothing to do with Al Gore. This is about saving the planet and he says it most certainly is about Al Gore so we agreed to disagree. Well this was a couple of years ago. Prior to this public comment I sent him a text and said Dad I'm preparing to do public comment in support of climate change action have you changed your position at all?

My dad is very, he's opposite of me he's very terse His answer was simply no. So I said, LOL. Well, we'll agree to disagree. It's not really just an intergenerational dispute however. It is a very serious dispute in climate. Whether or not these options will do the trick, I want to address the underlying climate denialism is getting to be very unhelpful and it's very much like denial of evolution and it kind of a flat earther position There's a new bipartisan open letter about the security threat to our country from climate change. The signatories include former CIA directors and people of that caliber, and a major new report from the National Intelligence Council has come out identifying the threat to national security from the forced migrations that will occur that our children and grandchildren will have to deal with.

So I highly recommend that you get up to speed on that. And also, Santa Barbara is actually featured in Scientific American January 2013. And the issue there is a climate one of the impacts that we're going to have to prepare for is going to be increased flooding and increased food shortages due to climate change. Thank you very

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PresenterBruce AllenSOS CaliforniaProposedself-stated2:55:51 · ≈ 11:55 AM

much.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:55:52 · ≈ 11:55 AM

Bruce Allen will be followed by Megan Burney

PresenterBruce AllenSOS CaliforniaProposedself-stated2:55:56 · ≈ 11:55 AM

Good morning, Chairman and members of the Board. I'm Bruce Allen representing SOS California. We'd recommend option one or two. We'd like to point out that your summary report is missing a very large source of greenhouse gases which are the offshore seeps. Offshore Santa Barbara, it's well documented, sits on the world's second most concentrated source of methane gas emissions and greenhouse gas emissions. That's entirely missing from the report.

If you actually go, there's a 1991 detailed study called Factor Analysis of Hydrocarbon Species in the Santa Barbara Air Basin. You go through and you can see ethane is only emitted in the county from the seeps and the known ethane ratio to methane is also known so you can actually estimate by air samples how much greenhouse gas is coming from the seeps And because it's 21 times more powerful than CO2 is the methane. It's about 20,000 tons of methane which equates to 400,000 tons of greenhouse gases from the seeps with the exception of transportation that dominates all the other sources that are in your summary report. It is completely missing so that first of all second it's lumped in with the biological and from this detailed study shows the biologicals are only 4 percent of the air pollution in Santa Barbara County also In terms of platform holly, that's reduced the seeps, the methane by 2700 tons per year.

56,000 tons of CO2 equivalent emissions per year totally missing from your document. That's one third of your goal of your 15% emissions so that's not even in the report. So if you look at okay what could you do about those emissions? In terms of just making the board aware if you simply opened up the adjacent leases to Platform Holly in terms of what's out there First of all, if you produce 15,000 barrels of oil additional and look at...we're going to buy the oil anyway. If we look at the tankering emission costs from Saudi Arabia to get it here, you save 50,000 tons of CO2 per year Just by not tankering that oil to California, first of all. Secondly if you had a 4% royalty on that oil That would allow you to buy 10 megawatts of solar power every year for the county Add that up over 5 years That's a savings of 56,000 tons of CO2 emissions per year that you couldn't otherwise afford, as well as supplying the oil and reducing the offshore emissions.

The offshore emissions, and it's documented in studies, are the largest hydrocarbon source of pollution in the county. And it's well-documented they're being reduced by the offshore production. So you're missing all of that opportunity. If you add up the savings in terms of seepage reduction, non-tankering, the buying of renewables, you can get up to 188,000 tons of reduced CO2 emissions per year.

That's entirely missing from your summary report.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:58:58 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Thank

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you very much.

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction2:59:01 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Megan Burney to be followed by Nathan Alley.

PresenterMegan BurneyCommunity Environmental Council and we're here today as a local environmental noProposedself-stated2:59:07 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Good afternoon, Supervisor Carbajal, members of the board. My name is Megan Burney. I'm with the Community Environmental Council and we're here today as a local environmental nonprofit. We've been around since 1970 and what we focused on over the years is providing solutions to some of the toughest environmental problems that our region faces. We currently focus on climate change and energy and as you can imagine are in favor of the county's Climate Action Plan strategy.

In concept, we do support option 5. But we also have spent many months with staff discussing these options in detail and because we recognize there are some implementation uncertainties and some economic uncertainties, we are willing to support option 4 with the inclusion of community choice aggregation feasibility study I think that's key here. We talked a lot about community choice aggregation and the difference between a feasibility study and an actual plan to do community choice aggregation, and what this would allow our community to do is really move forward looking at again both the economic and the environmental benefits of reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, switching to clean sources of energy, and then with community choice aggregation, again this is just another tool In your tool belt, doing a study would allow you to look at the different sources of energy in the county which could again be used for CCA or some other type of county project should you decide to move forward with that.

We've got communities such as Marin County that is already seeing they have their own community tourist aggregation and they're actually seeing economic savings in the utility bills for your users Currently, so this is actually something that's been shown to have economic savings along with title 24 Which Robin mentioned and all of those actions are? Are done on a cost-benefit analysis though. So they have to save money and that's the big thing with energy efficiency both in the transportation and in the building Aspects is that energy efficiency and switching to renewables can save significant amounts of money And we look forward to reading the environmental impact report and seeing what those economic benefits will be. Thank you

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Thank you very much.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:01:20 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Nathan Alley to be followed by Tobe Plow.

PresenterNathan AlleyEnvironmental Defense CenterProposedself-stated3:01:30 · ≈ 12:01 PM

40 seconds. Good afternoon, good morning Mr. Chair and supervisors. My name is Nathan Alley. I'm an attorney with the Environmental Defense Center. And I'm not speaking on behalf of any of my clients today but I will say that my comments are most likely echoed by many of the organizations that we tend to represent. The first thing I'd like to do is thank you for continuing with this initiative. It has been a long process to date four years but it's been a good one And I believe that in particular, the stakeholder involvement has been unique. Certainly in terms of my experience here in the county, I think that the level of interaction between staff and the various interests in the county has been slightly deeper than on some other issues and I think we've moved along at a better pace because of it.

And it's interesting, in the last four years I think the conversation has shifted slightly from some folks who might argue that climate change is either not an issue at all or not an issue that needs to be addressed in the immediate future. To more it's an issue, it's a challenge but it's big one and maybe we here in Little Santa Barbara don't need to be at the forefront of meeting it head on. But I would argue several things first of all While we might not be providing as many of the obstacles to the global challenge of climate change, we are going to potentially see more of the effects than other places. And so we can't slough this off to other counties, other states, other countries as a coastal county With very valuable coastal communities, valuable agriculture etc., we are more vulnerable to the effects of climate change than other places.

And so in order for us to do our part and get everyone else to help us out, we need to be at that forefront and we need to maintain our leadership position. I just want to respond to a couple other things that were stated earlier. One is that when it comes to the CEQA process, I think we might see an improvement when it comes to customer service if one of the options that involves a programmatic approach is adopted.

We've seen a project that is currently going through the environmental review process As I understand it, specifically delayed because of the complexity of dealing with the greenhouse gas emissions associated with it. And it probably could have benefited from a process like this. So we definitely support the reductions target found in option five although as Miss Bernie from the Community Environmental Council noted, we also acknowledge that some combination of the measures and options four and five will probably be adequate to get us to where we need to be And I would support the feasibility study for the community choice aggregation. I think that would be an important step that we can take. So in closing, again thank you for this process and thank you for your leadership on the issue.

Thank you very much. And we look forward to the continued

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dialogue. Supervisor

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:04:39 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Laminino? I have a question. So when you brought up that project because this is one of the things that kind of interests me about You know the kind of the blessing from the county if you fall into this so would you then support Under that CEQA

PresenterNathan AlleyEnvironmental Defense CenterProposedself-stated3:05:01 · ≈ 12:05 PM

umbrella? Possibly. I'll be honest, I do have some personal reservations about how the whole CEQA is going to work in this context and whether or not we're going to see the project specific analysis that we need but I do think that if it works properly it should be a win-win situation for everybody. I wanted to also mention actually and I think this is related to your question If you initiate this for environmental review, the various options that are presented can and probably should be included as alternatives to be analyzed in that EIR. And you might therefore get to some of these questions of cost and other issues which we don't have answers for right now. But I don't think this is the end of the road for that. So some of these questions still need to be sorted out but I'm optimistic as always.

Thank you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:05:56 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Toad Plow followed by Jefferson Lytton.

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PresenterToad PlowSanta Barbara Technology and Industry Association todayProposedself-stated3:06:01 · ≈ 12:06 PM

I'm Toad Plow, representing Santa Barbara Technology and Industry Association today. I'd urge you to adopt one of the voluntary plans. The reason being is that, I think you're going to meet your goals anyway. The United States is going to be very, very close to meeting the standards that we've set under AB 32 anyway this year just through the substitution of natural gas for coal and that's continuing. And I think you're also seeing in the community a vast number of people that are choosing to go with a smaller carbon footprint just naturally through through techniques that they're adopting at home.

I first became acquainted with your large offshore oil seep about 20 years ago when I was heading up a committee in the grand jury and it far overshadowed anything that you have in your inventory, and I think some of your speakers have spoken to that. But what has also occurred over the years is you see this cycle where we keep ignoring what these emissions have as far as an effect on our economy. We had huge spikes in ozone emissions at the Goleta Library because you saw seeps move onshore across the freeway, became heated and then got measured as ozone hits at the library. There are all kinds of dire warnings at that point about the health consequences, but nevertheless we have not done anything about it. In fact we still continue to really refuse that there is a method by which we can eliminate some of those oil and gas seeps through production.

It's 38 tons a day of gases that we have emitted there, most of it's methane. Now we're hiding this under the rug once again when we're counting carbon molecules There's a way of dealing with it through production. It's shown I think through the numbers, I think that Mr. Allen presented you earlier and I think also that you have some bigger issues to look at. If you looked at what APCD did initially back in the late 80s and early 90s, it was you were putting bottle caps on top of rubbing alcohol.

You don't have a lot of sources that you can go after right now because we're not a highly industrialized county. So you have to look at what we're going to do as far as automobiles, which is not in your jurisdiction or you can look at the oil production which would solve this problem in a heartbeat. Thank you very much.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:08:36 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Thank you. Jefferson Litton followed by Dennis Allen.

CommentJefferson LintonProposedself-stated3:08:44 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Supervisor and board, my name is Jefferson Linton. And I'd like to say that I support the staff recommendation of evaluating county action plan option four. It is my belief that the mandated measures in option four are feasible and will achieve the 15% target with considerably less expense than option five. Climate change is a global crisis but it's going to be needed to be addressed at the county and local level with measures that are mandatory and not voluntary.

As a coastal community vulnerable to climate and change induced sea level rise, we don't have the time to wait and see what federal or state measures how are they going to turn out. Or really time to evaluate the efficacy of those measures. That said I would also like to see in option four an inclusion of a feasibility study for community choice aggregation.

Community choice aggregation would allow Santa Barbara County homeowners and businesses to capture the benefits of renewable energy, which include potentially reduced energy bills and security from increasing utility rates. And not to mention the associated reduction in GHG emissions with community choice aggregation. So thank you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:10:02 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Thank you. Dennis, I want to be followed by Judith Ishkanian.

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CommentMr. Robert DoyleProposed · by introduction3:10:10 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Good afternoon, Supervisors. I'd like to speak on behalf of Option 4. I'm a businessman in this community. We have a construction company, Allen Associates. We work in all parts of the county And we are one of the companies that probably has fared the best during the downturn. We have not had to lay anybody off, which is exceptional for a construction company. And why is this? It's mostly because we have been pioneers in energy efficiency and green building practices.

And companies like ours across the country are the ones that fared the very best during the downturn in construction. We are a company that offers energy assessments to homeowners. We do not charge $500 as the previous speaker mentioned, we charge just under $200 and what this gives a potential homeowner is a list of measures starting with the most efficient measures they can take for the least cost And our company, at least when a homeowner decides to pursue any of these majors, the cost of the assessment is factored back into the work that they do. So it's really a very good way to help homeowners find a way to move forward on these issues.

These kinds of measures to make our buildings, our homes more efficient as well as our commercial buildings have the best return on investment of anything that can be done. This is absolutely certain for new buildings and many of the steps apply to existing homes. We have a large stock of existing homes in the county, so taking these measures will save homeowners money and for the lowest amount of money they can spend to get that kind of return.

Interestingly that if you can take these sorts of steps and measures up front, you often will be able to reduce the size of a solar system that you might want to put on your house because your whole building uses less energy. So these are very good steps to take. One of the things that we found is the biggest obstacle to taking these kinds of measures is lack of knowledge that people in the community have.

And our industry is very slow to change, once people get the information they usually take A number of steps to improve the efficiency of their homes. And I remember back 30 plus years ago when we first were considering Title 24, our energy code for the state there was a lot of opposition in our industry almost across the board and once that was put into place Our industry got on board with it, and every three years that code is upgraded. And every time it's upgraded now there's almost no opposition, no outcry from our industry. So I think a framework-

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CommentMr. Robert DoyleProposed · by introduction3:13:13 · ≈ 12:13 PM

you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:13:13 · ≈ 12:13 PM

very much Mr. Allen. A framework would help us move forward. Thank you. Supervisor Wolf has a question?

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Mr. Allen, thank you very much for being here. You and your construction team are very well respected and I've seen you at a lot of our Empower programs so I thank you for all of your work. When you were talking about the energy cost, you called it an assessment not an audit but I guess it's the same thing? Yes. Because I know that when someone sells a home they usually have a home inspection Are energy audits ever part of that?

So it's not required. Do you have to have a special license to do an energy audit? I mean, would a homeowner have to hire a specialist to do that?

CommentMr. Robert DoyleProposed · by introduction3:14:04 · ≈ 12:14 PM

You're not required to have a special license. There are a number of industry associations that do certifications, third party certifications and these are really important things to know that the person doing the assessment or the audit is qualified to give you a good report. I suppose if something like this moves forward that could be something that the county could help Encourage people to make sure that they find people with those kinds of certifications,

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right? Okay. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank You

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:14:41 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Judith is Kenyan to be followed by Brian trout word

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:14:49 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Well, I think it's good morning so all of you thank you very much for having me I'm Judith is Kenya and I'm representing neighborhood Defense League I As I said at the legislative committee meeting yesterday, Is the least polluting element overall in the county that the exempted areas such as Vandenberg Air Force Base, Los Padres National Forest, UCSB and other elements that have other jurisdictions all incorporated cities are the source of the greatest polluters. As an overall statement and I feel that SBCAG is the best place to address that first with the county remaining As Mr. Russell said to me several years ago, is the green belt area that also serves the environment in its own way by providing wider space.

Ms. Wolfe brought up an interesting point that I'd like to build on, and this is just one little example. The speakers were so great they took every spectrum of this from option five to option one. I would agree with the first gentleman who spoke that said no option and wait. Wait and see and let the others take the lead there that are greater than polluters. However, one issue with the time element running out It's for people who are needing to sell their homes. If these things were mandated, they would have to change out all of their toilets, their shower heads and the low flow shower heads. Picture someone coming home from work and getting a low flow shower is one of the most infuriating things people ever speak up. Faucet aerators, water heater blankets, hot and cold water piping Hot water piping and pumped recirculating heating systems, exterior door weather stripping, sealed duct joints, fireplace chimney sealing installation and common area lighting all incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescent lamps CFL at least 25 lumens.

If these kind of things are mandated I mean, what is left from the concerns and perhaps they are very genuine of global warming and all these large issues is the human element. We're serving a community of a variety of people and all those options should be respected. And that is why I say lead by example especially the most dedicated amongst us, the youth, the Environmental Defense League and people that I do know. Lead by example and show us Supervisor Adam.

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CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:17:50 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Just a point of clarification, Mrs. Am I going to say this wrong? Yishkini?

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Ms.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:17:57 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Yishkinian? Just one second. You are in favor of or opposed to Or what's your suggestion? I could not divine your suggestion. Well, I'd like to have a

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room in my house. That would be fine. Mr. Adam, I was being overly diplomatic then. Oh thank you. I think that the Board of Supervisors should stand back And let SB CAG as a group discuss these issues first. So that is what I think. Okay, so- And I respect the opinions of a wide spectrum of citizens and I was pleading the cause for those who may not have the money or the resources to do mandated immediate action Right now, and it would be a devastating thing on our economy. I'm not here to say what I think about global warming or climate change in all its iterations.

I feel larger minds than mine can handle that and that I feel the speakers were excellent in all these options but what would I think? Zero like that first man who spoke in Santa Maria.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:19:15 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Brian

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed3:19:18 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Troutwine with the Environmental Defense Center. EDC has preserved countless acres of open space, we've worked to protect farmland including Sedgwick Ranch and Carpentry Bluffs, the Douglas Family Preserve and the Spurling Elwood Mesa many other properties and we've worked to safeguard For future generations, our wildlife, our rare species, the steelhead, the red-legged frog, the blue whales in the ocean. Doing that for future generations and we've promoted farming, we've promoted local food production.

We protected clean air and clean water supplies for our people in our future generations but everything that we've done in the last 35 years pales in comparison to the threat of climate change caused by greenhouse gas pollution. Addressing this heating of the planet and the associated severe weather conditions is a very high public priority that must be undertaken to protect the public's health and well-being, and our economic well-being as well I might add.

In terms of these economic costs that we've heard about The cost of doing nothing or insufficient action is too great to ignore. We're talking about the economic costs associated with increased, more severe storms and droughts and reduced water supplies, rising oceans flooding our properties and coastal erosion eliminating private and public lands and park land We're talking about the cost of saltwater intrusion into our water supplies and the loss of productive farmland to drought. This is a very high priority issue not just for the environment but for the economy as well, and it's a number one issue facing the public's wellbeing.

We would support a larger reduction, a larger target, but as you've heard other speakers say some combination of options four and five is a step in the right direction to protect your constituents and the economic and environmental health of Santa Barbara County. So we ask that you please do all you can to lessen the greenhouse gas pollution problem, and protect the public or future generations from the economic and environmental impacts of this unprecedented problem. Thank you very much for your time. Thank

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:21:26 · ≈ 12:21 PM

Mark Schatillo to be followed by Terry Strickland. And then I believe Mr. Sands is back and he would be our final speaker.

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PresenterMark CiotilloOak Park Neighborhood AssociationProposedself-stated3:21:40 · ≈ 12:21 PM

Greetings Chair Carbajal, members of the board. I'm Mark Sciatillo. I am here just to speak as an individual but as somebody who has been appointed and sat on your county's air pollution control district community advisory council for many years. I think this is a very important issue. I think the issue of climate change is Scientifically and technologically irrefutable, although there may be some political denial going on.

But what we do know, what I know is from my history of being involved in air pollution control issues is that climate and atmospheric chemistry is very complex and what we have Is a phenomenon that's starting to change, that has been changing for over a decade. It's going to be more difficult to interrupt the longer we wait. And further that Santa Barbara County as a locale is gonna be disproportionately affected as compared to many other communities in our country and throughout the world. Because of our long coastline, we have additional vulnerability. We have substantial agricultural resources within the coastal zone.

We have industrial facilities as well as a very robust recreational and touristic economy that is dependent upon the quality of our coasts. And so these are areas where we are going to be substantially or disproportionately impacted. And in addition, Santa Barbara County by virtue of our high level of community and the patterns of transportation has a disproportionate contribution to the amount of greenhouse gases that are being emitted globally. And then, of course, hearing the seep emission concerns I think couldn't make a better case for a severance tax to be able to fund more aggressive efforts to offset those additional emissions.

But I think that all combines to the fact To the conclusion that we here in the county have an obligation to step up and do something, and to do as much as we possibly can. This problem is only going to get worse. And it is incumbent upon us to make a demonstration to serve as a model for other communities as to the kinds of things that we can do to be able to address this important societal and global economic environmental public health issue.

And so I personally believe that option five, the most aggressive possible approach is the one that I would endorse. I recognize the benefits of compromise and taking something an approach that may be more politically palatable by stepping back a little bit from that and endorsing option number four. However, I would implore your board to do as much as you can as soon as you can to address this very important issue that's going to affect us the future generations that follow in a very dramatic way. Thank you.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:24:19 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Thank you. Terry Strickland and

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then Mr. Sands.

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Chairman Carvajal, board I wasn't really planning on speaking today but after watching so many people with non-profits and the environmental groups I'm not a lawyer I'm just a regular business person But they speak to this issue and they're not impacted by the onerous regulations that boards like you come up with. It's easy for them to get up here and speak about what you should do, because it's not going to impact them.

And there's not very many business people here today speaking to you because where are they? They're running their businesses, they're employing people. They're doing all the things that provide tax revenue so the county can do their business. And they certainly don't need more rules and regulations in this economy, in this county that is the last thing they need.

I agreed with what Mr. Caldwell had to say let the state mandates take effect and see where we're at. Until you know the financial consequences of your actions, I don't think you should be implementing anything at this time. And the young woman spoke about this being another tool in your tool belt. Well, I think you have too many tools in your tool belt and most of them are screwdrivers. I say get rid of them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:26:01 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Thank you very much. Mr. Allen, our last speaker?

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction3:26:04 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Yes.

CommentTed SandsProposedself-stated3:26:12 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Mr. Ted Sands, thank you Chairman Carbajal and thanks to the entire board for this letter it was an excellent outstanding letter thank you very much I'd like to speak against the recommendations on energy and climate action first of all since the board has direction over no more than 60% of the area of the county And we all know that air mixes, intermixes. A 15% reduction would represent a 24% reduction on the efforts of residents of those affected by county regulations.

That's without consideration of whether earth warming is a factor or not. So I'd like you to deeply consider the amount And the issue itself. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:27:13 · ≈ 12:27 PM

Thank you very much, I'll now close public comment and bring it back to the board. Supervisor Farr?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:27:25 · ≈ 12:27 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll just go ahead and lead off here then. Well clearly we can't control everything in the county but I do think it's incumbent on us to try to influence what we can particularly if it results in so many positive benefits for the community beginning with the streamlining of our permitting process in CEQA which we hear about all the time and if we can help that I think that that's really important Also, the Innovative Building Review Committee, the IBRC at the county has been going on for many years reviewing projects and resulting in voluntary measures that applicants can take in exchange for various incentives. I think that's a wonderful program. It's called out here in several locations and I think that should continue.

At the same time, I think it's time to probably ramp up some of the requirements in some of these areas. Since option four is what staff is recommending to us, I'll say that I'm proposing a modified option four. That includes community choice aggregation but also I think is respectful of some of the concerns that we have heard today. And I have to say philosophically, I'm more inclined to support mandatory measures for new projects than for remodels. Particularly small remodels and to that end, I want to go through some of the concerns raised in the Santa Barbara Board A Realtors letter dated March 8th. I know that they participated in this process and I wanted to ask some questions about what they raised. So it appears that of option four, what's listed for the phased and required measures?

What the Santa Barbara Association of Realtor's Letter calls out is more specifically those in BE2, BE4, and BE8 So in looking at BE-2 requirements, they were interested if there would be some kind of a rebate for completing the waiver. I actually had a question about the $10,000 value of building permits. So what kind of a project would generate a $10 thousand amount for building permits?

Anybody answer that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:30:10 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Chairman, Supervisor. I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head but what I can tell you is when we modeled this we ran a permit history of what would be covered in terms of how many permits would be covered with that $10,000 threshold to get the quantification we got. We could come back to you with some more information on what types of projects were looking at there

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:30:33 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Okay, well again kind of back to my overall philosophical concerns is I think it's easier for me to want to require a big new project to comply to higher standards. What I don't want to hurt are mom and pops trying to do some small remodels on their house I think that in those situations, having a list of voluntary measures is something and with some incentives. But I see a differential there so that's why I asked the question. On BE4 in their letter they raised a couple of different concerns and I have to say that I agree with them about the point-of-sale requirement. You know, the city of Santa Barbara has had an inspection on sale program going for a long time. And I know that sometimes people here that get frustrated with zoning enforcement issues wonder why the county doesn't do it.

But this is the same kind of thing that somehow we're gonna play catch up with everything that's wrong at the point-of-sale and I just don't agree with that. I think the time to catch it is when people are coming in for new projects For a certain level of remodel projects, but not necessarily at the point of sale. And I think both of them, both of the BE4 concerns that they had had to do with point-of-sale.

Last is the BE-8, and their concern was that it was rather vague and again wasn't more specific as to what would trigger this. So again the size of the project and the size of the remodels or the additions. Can you speak to that?

3:32 – 3:3710 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:32:35 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, I can to a certain extent yes. I understand your concerns and the big picture I think is the following. The increasing regulatory requirements on new construction have already squeezed a great deal of energy efficiency out of new houses When you couple that with the relatively small number of new houses which are constructed each year in the county, you're not going to get the savings that you need in greenhouse gases to achieve a 15% reduction by placing more regulations on new houses. Now having said that, I fully understand the concerns of the point in sale and also some of the other concerns expressed by the realtors.

And should we be given the direction to move forward, we will take those into consideration. very carefully so as not to place an unreasonable burden on owners of existing houses. But I think the reality of the circumstances is the following, that if we are going to achieve greenhouse gas reduction, we must address the existing housing stock.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:33:55 · ≈ 12:33 PM

Okay, and I'm not saying that we don't. But I just don't think that point of sale is the right mechanism. Also, I think in light of my other question about the state CSI thermal rebate program You know, I would think that if we're going to require that it should be an and or installation of tankless water heaters. I think there should be an option but I am very concerned about the point of sale about the size of the project and the level of requirements and its not clear to me There was support on the board for going ahead and adding community choice aggregation to option 4. What that does as far as being able to alleviate some of the things that you're talking about, and still achieving the goals that we want?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:34:53 · ≈ 12:34 PM

Chair Carbajal, Supervisor Farr, if we were to include community choice aggregation in option four That would be in addition to what's already there. And so yes, you could if we did the feasibility study and it was determined that it was feasible to move forward with community choice aggregation and that was the direction of the board. It would give some flexibility as far as some of the other requirements that are included in option four. You would be able to some extent back off of those and still achieve a 15% reduction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:35:28 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Okay, thank you Dr. Russell and in closing Mr. Chair I just want to say that I really appreciated this letter from the Santa Barbara Association of Realtors it was clear that they had participated in the process and their comments were very clear and specific I also wanted to mention that the San Andres Valley Association of Realtors on their website, for their listings in the multiple listing service now has a category for green features. So I think that we're starting to see that rather than being a drag on property values, that at least from the realtor's associations are seeing this as a way to improve property values to create economic vitality Certainly, we've seen it with our Empire program that can help to create more jobs. We're not just talking about helping the environment and I particularly appreciated Mr.

Allen's comments because for me all this kind of boils down to eventually people do have a very good return on their investment and they save money in the long run. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:36:37 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Thank you very much. Supervisor Allen then Supervisor Wolfe?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:36:41 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a number of questions of staff. This may take a little while. I hope you'll bear with me. On page three of the board letter it states neither state nor federal law currently mandates a specific GHG reduction target. Is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:37:04 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Supervisor Adam, that is correct. We are not mandated to reduce emissions. We are mandated to analyze emissions under CEQA

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:37:12 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Okay, and so then immediately after that it says a target must be set. Do we need to go there? Which is it I guess the question is which is it? Is the target must be set or is it there's no target required?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:37:30 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Chairman Supervisor Adam for CEQA tiering to allow the document to be used as a programmatic document for future development projects we have to set a target and show how we're going to meet that target So if we want to go down the path of having a programmatic EIR that future Projects can use this as their CEQA document. We need to set a target

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:37:51 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Okay, I have a technical problem with that in that you don't know that 15% is the number Isn't that correct?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:38:03 · ≈ 12:38 PM

Chair Carvajal, Supervisor Adam. The Office of Planning and Research which is the governor's office that takes care of CEQA promulgates regulations in their guidance they have made it clear that 15% is what they recognize as being the reduction necessary to achieve CEQAT hearing So in answer to your question more directly, I think we do know. I think we do know.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:38:29 · ≈ 12:38 PM

Well there is no certainty, there is no guarantee it is not codified in law someplace that 15% is okay and 14% is not? That is correct Supervisor. Okay thank you We heard Mr. Allen and Mr. Plow talk about the fact that the oil and gas seeps in the Pacific Ocean can, and are being reduced by various activities harvesting oil and gas from offshore sources. Why are we ignoring this evidence?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:39:07 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Chair Carver Hall, Supervisor Adam, we're not ignoring that evidence. The Climate Action Plan has chosen to cover certain sources. It does not cover all sources. It covers the sources that we identified as being the ones that we as a county government have a Ability to control so the plan covers anthropogenic sources. It does not cover natural sources So we are not ignoring those sources. We simply chose not to include those in the plan

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:39:42 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Okay, thank you Regarding grant money that's referred to on page 8 has that been applied for I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:39:59 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Chairman Supervisor, this plan has been developed under a combination of funding including County General Fund as well as grant money we have received from Southern California Edison and Pacific Gas & Electric.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:40:12 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Okay so the grant money has already been spent?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:40:18 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Not completely, we're in the process

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:40:20 · ≈ 12:40 PM

of spending it. So you have received it and it is being spent?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:40:24 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Supervisor that's correct.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:40:25 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Okay thank you very much. Yesterday, Mr. Hunt, my staff tried to get some cost estimates from you. Do you recall that?

PresenterJeff HuntLong-Range PlanningProposedself-stated3:40:51 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Chairman, Supervisors yes I do. Okay and what did you tell them? In response to the estimate of an EIR I said the standard cost is $100,000 as an estimate it's a gross estimate in this case because the EIR would

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:41:05 · ≈ 12:41 PM

be measured No excuse me I think you misunderstood the question my staff asked you for estimates of the costs involved in all these various

PresenterJeff HuntLong-Range PlanningProposedself-stated3:41:14 · ≈ 12:41 PM

options. I'm sorry, yes we believe that we can come back with refined costs this has been referred to earlier today that right now we have rough estimates of the reduction measures and we can refine those during the environmental impact.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:41:32 · ≈ 12:41 PM

Right, can you tell everybody what you actually told them? Maybe I need to refresh your memory. You said that you were not comfortable sharing your numbers that

PresenterJeff HuntLong-Range PlanningProposedself-stated3:41:43 · ≈ 12:41 PM

you had with my staff? I believe I did say that, I could have our consultant explain why the numbers are so rough that we're not comfortable sharing them.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:41:53 · ≈ 12:41 PM

Well, isn't that a decision that the board makes? I mean don't you just hand us what you have and then we have to ferret through that

PresenterJeff HuntLong-Range PlanningProposedself-stated3:42:01 · ≈ 12:42 PM

and

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:42:01 · ≈ 12:42 PM

see if it makes sense.

PresenterJeff HuntLong-Range PlanningProposedself-stated3:42:03 · ≈ 12:42 PM

We can certainly supply that information to you if you'd like. Well,

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:42:06 · ≈ 12:42 PM

I wish you would've done that yesterday because it makes it pretty hard to make a good decision, an informed decision on behalf of the public if we are actually withheld information that we need to make that informed decision. CEO Waller?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:42:23 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Chairman Supervisor, respectfully our staff tries very hard to ensure that your entire board gets accurate information and I think it was the fact that staff didn't necessarily feel that they had completely accurate information. Not that they didn't choose to share with your board certainly if the board would like to have any information that we have as long We are clear in that it's very, very preliminary. We would certainly be happy to share that with you.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction3:42:55 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Thank you. Mr. Adam? Well, I think that we have been potentially denied information. The idea that all this stuff is occurring with absolutely no cost estimates on any one of these options is absolutely ludicrous and I think that we should not do anything until we have a full pallet of options in front of us that have associated costs. So I guess that's my motion is we not do anything and they bring back. If you want to have a hearing about this, you've got to do a complete job and bring in the costs.

Thank you Mr. Adam. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:43:41 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to just follow up on comments made by Supervisor Farr and maybe you can help me better understand the point of sale issue. It looks like there's two components to that. One is the audit that in option four is required and then the second part of that is the potential modifications that were listed. In option 4, are both items required the audit and the repair?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:44:25 · ≈ 12:44 PM

Supervisors I believe you are correct. Option four does require some residential energy conservation upgrades at time of sale and then there is an audit at building permit

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:44:41 · ≈ 12:44 PM

So when I look at this chart and it's BE4, which is the energy scoring and audits. That would be almost $16,000 in reductions. And that's for both. That's the audit and the repairs.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:45:05 · ≈ 12:45 PM

Chairman, Supervisor, BE4 is the Audit and BE-4 is the repairs at time of sale. I believe BE-2 is the energy

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:45:23 · ≈ 12:45 PM

audit

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:45:24 · ≈ 12:45 PM

at building permit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:45:25 · ≈ 12:45 PM

Okay, well on this chart it says on BE- 4 it says energy scoring and audits.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:45:51 · ≈ 12:45 PM

Chairman, Supervisor Seward correct BE-4 requires an energy audit and repair. BE-2 also has a component for energy audits for the building permits greater than $10,000. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:46:04 · ≈ 12:46 PM

thank you so let me go to the consultant then if If we were just to require, if we were to split that down the middle. Well it's probably not down the middle but if we were to require the audit but not necessarily the repair so that way the new owner would be aware of the audits recommendations and then they would be incentivized hopefully to do those repairs. Do you have a number?

Supervisor fire.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:46:35 · ≈ 12:46 PM

I do not have a number sitting in front of front of me. I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:46:38 · ≈ 12:46 PM

getting confused.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:46:39 · ≈ 12:46 PM

Sorry,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:46:40 · ≈ 12:46 PM

excuse me. It's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:46:40 · ≈ 12:46 PM

okay. The issue is whether the county moves forward with A set of specified improvements that everyone would have to comply with in those areas and that's the listing you see here an option for Versus having someone spend the $200 up front to have a customized energy audit. There would be a set different set of reductions, they would likely be larger reductions per household that you would expect fewer households to actually take advantage of that if they were not required To actually complete the upgrades if they just were required to complete

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:47:17 · ≈ 12:47 PM

an

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:47:18 · ≈ 12:47 PM

audit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:47:19 · ≈ 12:47 PM

OK, I was just trying to see if we could separate the two given what Supervisor far said. I was trying to move us a little bit closer to what was recommended in option for. To keep some of the point of sale requirements intact by requiring the audit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:47:35 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Supervisor Wolf, I just thought of a good meld of the two that I heard from you and Supervisor Farr. At 10,000 you could require the audit but if the threshold is higher than that we have certain requirements.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:47:58 · ≈ 12:47 PM

I guess there's the 10,000 has to do with the remodel. But the other one would be a point of sale like if you sold if he sold the house so I just threw that out as a possibility.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:48:14 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think we've got two issues here. One is the threshold at which things are required and the other is the timing. And I think for me that the timing at point of sale is what's at issue in BE-2 where it talks about requiring energy audits for all building permits valued greater than $10,000 and that's why there's a question about what does $10 thousand get you in building permit?

That's not tied to point of sale. That's just if they're coming in, they're getting certain permits and that's the trigger which I have less concern about although I'd like to know what size of a project we're talking about at $10,000 building permit as opposed to BE4 which is saying that it requires residential property owners to complete or comply with a specified set of energy efficient See upgrades to their home at the time of building sale or within one year close of escrow. That's the sticking point for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:49:16 · ≈ 12:49 PM

me. Supervisor Farr, we might want to get some information from Mr. Russell. How many instances are we talking about?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:49:26 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Chair Carbajal, Supervisor Farr. We've all done remodels on our houses so without having a specific project in mind just think for a minute how much does it cost to remodel a kitchen? A lot more than $10,000. How much does it cost to remodel a bathroom? Probably more than $10k. So suffice it to say that a $10K project is very small

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:49:54 · ≈ 12:49 PM

But I'm sorry Mr. Chair, we're not talking about the value of the project We're talking about the value that permit if I'm reading this it says require energy audits for all building permits Valued greater not building projects valued greater If it was the project who would have been easier? I would agree with you I wouldn't have a better idea but I don't know what $10,000 and building permits What kind of a project we're talking about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:50:18 · ≈ 12:50 PM

pardon me? I do not have that information is a project or permit

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:50:24 · ≈ 12:50 PM

This says permits.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:50:27 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Well, it might be... I think Supervisor Farr brings up a good point and I think we need to clarify the language because I think she brought up the question before about what is a $10,000 permit get you? And we don't really know that but we're pretty clear about a project. But then on the other hand Is that really, I don't know what is the most equitable way to do this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:50:59 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Chair Carver-Hall, Supervisor Wolff. I'll remind you not that this answers the question but I'll remind you the way we got to that number and that is that we've been focusing on what it takes to get to certain levels of reduction and so when we analyzed the permit history in our department We found that $10,000 of permits was the level that would be necessary for that component to contribute to the reductions that we're looking at. So we did not then say okay well gosh what examples of permits are they that would be $10 thousand? We can certainly provide that information but at this point to choose a level of reduction as a target we did not have that information available.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:51:47 · ≈ 12:51 PM

Thank you Dr. Russell.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:51:51 · ≈ 12:51 PM

Supervisor Lavenito. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I went back to our 2011 meeting and I just had a couple of questions because I want to know about the... You know, I want to make sure it's not garbage in garbage out and we put these numbers in. So when we went in with our new employment forecast for the... To move out towards 2035 did we implement? Did we change the numbers that we had originally had from 09?

Because at the 2011 meeting, you had put out a number of 24.5% growth of employment between 06 and 2035. But you had said that you were going to change those numbers somewhere in 2012 and I just... It's on the old... I think Supervisor Farr had asked this question at the last meeting if these numbers were gonna be updated or

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:52:48 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Chairman, Supervisor Lavadino I am going to let Leigh Ann Singleton our consultant answer that completed the forecast.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:52:55 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Supervisor we did update those forecasts based on the new information that was provided by SB CAG on the forecast the employment and household forecasts for the county.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:53:07 · ≈ 12:53 PM

All right next question is What happened to this model? That was the one that I was looking at two years ago and it, it was like okay out of the 15% reduction 13.8% was going to be absorbed by CARB and the county was gonna be responsible for 1.2%.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:53:27 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Chairman, Supervisor. So since the study we have updated our inventory and forecast and we've taken a more conservative approach and have only accounted for state programs which are already being implemented or programmed so there are certain things that we can absolutely count on. These include the Renewable Portfolio Standard, the Title 24 Standards, the Pavley Standards, Low Carbon Fuel Standard And that's it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:54:00 · ≈ 12:54 PM

OK, so I guess that doesn't help me too much. So we were going to be responsible for 1%, but now we're up to 15%. It's going to totally fall on the county. Is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:54:12 · ≈ 12:54 PM

Chairman, Supervisor, we are setting a goal of what we're recommending here is to set a goal of 15% below baseline emissions. We forecast our emissions out to 2020 then we create an adjusted forecast that decreases our forecast that the local government would be responsible for it's less than 15%, I believe. I don't know off the top of my head

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:54:37 · ≈ 12:54 PM

OK. Has anybody studied at all how many jobs this would impact in Santa Barbara County or done any sort of economic impact on this? Chair Carbot Hall,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:54:49 · ≈ 12:54 PM

Supervisor Lavanino as you have heard today from some of the speakers there are benefits to the kinds of measures that would be generated here in terms of construction and contractors and so forth. There may be energy we have examples of a community choice aggregation actually not only Saving greenhouse gas, but saving money. So there are both costs and benefits to this.

Certainly before you make a commitment which is not what we are asking for today, we're asking for direction on what we should go study Before a commitment is made, we will have very detailed estimates of the costs and the benefits. But in direct answer to your question, we have not done that study at this time.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:55:38 · ≈ 12:55 PM

OK. But you're asking us to give you direction? It's like I'm sitting down to dinner with a menu and I don't know what any of the prices are. I mean if I-I don't know whether to order salad or steak. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I'm being asked to make a decision on something with no cost No economic report. One of the stated goals of this board for this year was to talk about job creation. I don't see anywhere in this project where we talk about it, and this is going to be a huge portion of this.

I have a little bit of problem too with the enforceability. Even if you pass this, it's not from a lack of knowledge that people don't know what to do with their home. I went to an Empower SBC meeting in Santa Maria and the place was packed. But when they started finding out what it was going to cost, I think that's one of the reasons why we don't see Empower SBC being used as much as we would like it to be used is it's not a lack of knowledge, its lack of finances. And when we talk about where this is going to be affected Sure, it's going to be in Hope Ranch and Montecito and those areas. But in North County, it is going to be Los Alamos, Sisquiock, Gary, Quiama, Casmalia, the very places that suffer from a lack of finances.

I think putting in another regulation on top of somebody when they're moving or want to remodel, those types of things. Number one, I think it's going to be unenforceable. We're going to be forcing people into making a decision whether or not they report or they don't report, forcing them into an illegal situation. I'm not comfortable with that either. I also have to say that the next phone call I get from my district asking me when the climate action plan is going to be implemented will be the first one.

Nobody has called me and is pushing this. They want job creation, they want to figure out how we're going to fund the new jail, they want safe neighborhoods. I'm not getting any calls on this. The other thing is Santa Barbara County actually should be proud of ourselves. I keep hearing from the environmental community it's only going to get worse. We're not doing enough. You guys ought to be proud of what you've done. The track record speaks for itself. I mean when I looked at doing the math on how we fit into the problem, Santa Barbara County is not the problem.

We are actually in the state of California, we are 0.0003% of the greenhouse gas emissions in the state of California. So when you look up, I looked up the word infinitesimal and it says approaching zero. We're not even infinitesimal. We're not even close to approaching zero. So unless we can get assurances well, I'm not going to support this one way or the other so I know you're not going to make a lot of exceptions for me but I think it's also important to note that before Governor Schwarzenegger signed this directive to start this ball rolling California was the sixth largest economy in the world And now we're ninth and Brazil is getting ready to pass us. So I will not be supporting this.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:58:58 · ≈ 12:58 PM

You know, I haven't said much but I certainly take your concerns to heart, but I think that what we're getting today is a glimpse of a menu. And we're being asked to go back and price that menu with more analysis and more data so we can actually understand what I think you said, Supervisor Lavinino, see which entrees we want to select. Santa Barbara is in a good place because of many hearings like this. Our position at every single regulation that has brought Santa Barbara to a leader in less emissions, it hasn't happened by accident and I think we're in a position to look forward And work towards a more refined program so that we can fully understand what we want to implement. Certainly this does lend itself to increasing jobs, the National Home Builders Association just issued this at the National Association of Counties in terms of the jobs that are performed by providing energy efficiency upgrades I do think that Supervisor Farr and Supervisor Wolf have identified a couple of things that we may want to tweak, and really when we embark on environmental review, we come back with tighter data in terms of the thresholds.

What does that mean? Ten thousand versus more? Have a better understanding of that methodology? And that threshold point of sale, what does it mean? What doesn't it mean? Because those are concerns that I have as well. They're legitimate issues that we need to make sure are thoughtful as how we implement them and if they're not Feasible or appropriate, we modify them. So I'm going to be supportive of option four provided we address those two items when this item comes back with full environmental review that community choice aggregate is included so we broaden that menu The more environmental review to fully understand our options is really what we need. You know, we recently heard about broadening environmental review of a project for SBCAG regarding the 101.

The more environmental review and analysis you do, the better data we have, the better financial data we will get And I think it allows us to make an informed decision. So, I'm looking forward to making an informed decision and I'm looking forward to you guys doing the analysis and the data collection that's needed for us to have a full understanding of how we might proceed forward. So that's where I stand on this.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction4:01:45 · ≈ 1:01 PM

Supervisor Adam? Point of clarification. Are you suggesting that they come back with an environmental analysis including costs of option four? Or are you suggesting they're going to come back with a cost and analysis of all

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:02:06 · ≈ 1:02 PM

five options. I'm suggesting we do what staff has recommended with addressing the issues that have been raised in terms of point of sale and the $10,000 threshold including in that analysis the community choice aggregate. On option number four?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction4:02:29 · ≈ 1:02 PM

Okay thank you I just want to be clear on what I'm voting on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:02:36 · ≈ 1:02 PM

That's my hope. I'm glad to make a motion, but as chair, I would encourage my colleagues to make a motion. If not, I'll make it. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:02:43 · ≈ 1:02 PM

well if you were going to make the motion, I would second it. But there is a couple other things that I just wanted to include in that and that was the Hollister issue that appears to be okay to remove that. And I am also interested in the increased recycling opportunities that's listed in It's in option five and in option one, but it's not included in option four. And I'm wondering if as we move forward with the EIR, we've included the CCA? If it might be worthwhile to include...

You've identified it as WR2. Is that possible to include that as well? Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:03:21 · ≈ 1:03 PM

So... I went ahead and made a you seconded discussion.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction4:03:27 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Can we include option one to be studied as an alternative along with?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:03:34 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Is that included, and what would we have to do to do that, and what's the implications of that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:03:40 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Chair Carbajal, is it... We are choosing the project description to be studied in the EIR. Of course alternatives are required to be studied in an EIR as well. We have not developed those alternatives It would be, the alternatives will include some combination of the voluntary and some combination of the measures voluntary and required. In different combinations. I don't know, it would be an oversimplification to say option one but certainly it would be studied as an alternative but certainly the measures in option one will be there they'll be studied so they can be considered. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04:28 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:04:30 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Oh no, I just...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04:31 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Further discussion? Roll call. Why don't we have a roll call on

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction4:04:36 · ≈ 1:04 PM

this? Mr. Marganino? No. Ms. Wolfe?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction4:04:39 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Aye.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction4:04:39 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Ms. Farr? Mr Adam?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction4:04:41 · ≈ 1:04 PM

No,

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction4:04:42 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Mr. Carbajal? Aye. Passes 3-2

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04:46 · ≈ 1:04 PM

We are now going to take a lunch break I believe we only have an hour Mr. Marshall, if you could go over our closed session agenda please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:05:00 · ≈ 1:05 PM

Mr. Chair thank you. You have one item on your closed session agenda that is employee performance evaluation to department heads, Ag Commissioner and Director of P&D. Thank you Mr. Chairman.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:14:38 · ≈ 2:14 PM

¶. Yeah. I'd like to reconvene our Board of Supervisors meeting. Mr. Allen, if you could read number six?

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction5:15:54 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Chairman Carbajal and members of the board, item six is from Community Services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding countywide fee adjustments for Santa Barbara County Parks and Services.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:16:04 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Thank you. I just realized that I might have gotten ahead of myself. Mr Marshall, could you report any closed session items?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed5:16:16 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair, your board conducted its notice closed session there was no reportable action thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:16:23 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Thank you very much back to Mr. Herman Parker for item number six.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:16:30 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Thank You chair Carver Hall and members of the board today the Community Services Department would like to present to your recommendations for modifications of our park fees countywide This item requests that your board adopt a resolution adjusting county park fees for special use and day-use park facilities for special events and camping fees, and also to establish new fees for aquatics programs and facilities and services. It's also requesting your board to determine that the adoption of this resolution is exempt from CEQA.

After a review of our existing fee structure for use of our park facilities, the Community Services Department is proposing modifications to some of our existing fees and establishing new fees for an aquatics program. Our fees were last reviewed by your board in March 2011. Staff has evaluated our fee structures charged by other agencies, including the County of Ventura, the County of San Luis Obispo and the City of Santa Barbara.

From this we have established benchmarks that illustrate that the proposed fees are within market rate. The new fees, proposed fees for the aquatics program will offset the cost of the program The remaining fees help offset the cost of park operations including ground maintenance, utilities, repairs and administrative support. The fees that are proposed for updates include adjustments to our special use fees for day-use parks and special events, the establishment of new fees for our aquatics and junior lifeguard programs, and updates to our camping fees.

Many of our fees are not proposed to change. However, the fees you have before you highlighted in green are proposed for modifications. For day use parks and open space special events staff is proposing to expand the fee range to accommodate smaller events that may have less of an impact on our park sites The existing fee range is from $1,000 to $5,000. We're proposing to modify this fee range to be from $500 to $5000.

With regards to our aquatic programs are proposed new fees will establish a billable rate to charge for lifeguard services at special events The aquatics program established a rental rate for the Quiama Pool at $48 per hour. The minimum rental time is two hours. These fees, however, will not be charged this year due to repairs that will have to be done to the Quiama Pool.

Child group swim lessons and parent-child lessons are proposed at $40 per session. Private lessons are proposed at $30 per lesson. And water aerobics are proposed at $40 per session. These programs all require a minimum number of participants and a specific number of program hours in order to recover all costs for the program. Our aquatics program establishes a rate for junior lifeguard program, which is going to be proposed at a Royal Borough Beach.

A sibling rate cancellation fee and fees for program t-shirts and other miscellaneous items are also proposed. With regards to our camping parks, our proposed fee structure would increase our cancellation fee to $20. Tenant sites, partial hookup and full hookup camping sites would increase by $3 each. Carrie?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed5:20:17 · ≈ 2:20 PM

Cabin rentals which include rentals during peak and off-peak season are proposed to increase by $10. The proposed fees would also increase late checkout fee from 20 to 35 dollars. The proposed fees were reviewed by the Park Commission on December 13, 2012 and the Park Commission voted unanimously to approve these fees. The proposed park fee modifications are anticipated to generate approximately $234,000 annually for the department.

This represents 4% of park revenues. Once again, these fees will help offset the cost of programs and ongoing facility operations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:21:01 · ≈ 2:21 PM

In conclusion, the Community Services Department is requesting that your board adopt the proposed fees for our county parks supporting our aquatics programs and services And determined that the adopted resolution is exempt from CEQA. If your board should choose to approve these fees, they will be effective March 26th and that concludes staff's presentation. We'd be happy to answer any questions the board

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:21:26 · ≈ 2:21 PM

has. Supervisor Farr then Supervisor Wilk.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:21:30 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair. Thank you for your presentation Mr. Parker. In looking at the aquatics program I'm just wondering why we're only talking about the pool in Quiama and not the one in Kachuma?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:21:43 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Chair and Supervisor Farr, we didn't propose any new fees for the pool at Kachuma because we don't teach lessons there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:21:53 · ≈ 2:21 PM

But

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:21:53 · ≈ 2:21 PM

why

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:21:53 · ≈ 2:21 PM

not?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:21:55 · ≈ 2:21 PM

We already have an established program for public swim, but we weren't teaching lessons at that particular facility.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:22:02 · ≈ 2:22 PM

Okay well I guess maybe my question is broader. I'm not understanding why we're not trying to maximize the utility of the pool at Kachuma which is unlike the Cuyama Pool right now it's operational as far as I can tell and I would think that The public swim might just be in the afternoon, and a lot of pools will have lessons in the morning. So have you thought about being able to expand the uses at that pool or even renting it by the hour as you're talking about doing in Quijama?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:22:34 · ≈ 2:22 PM

Chair, Supervisor, we did look at the possibility of doing that. One of the reasons we didn't expand the aquatics program there is because there's no built-in neighborhood right around Cochuma. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:23:14 · ≈ 2:23 PM

OK, thank you Mr. Chair and thank you Mr. Parker. I'm really pleased to see the Junior Lifeguard program going forward. I know last year was the pilot year and it was very successful so I'm really pleased to see this moving forward. And I would expect that you have some program in place to let the community know about this as a summer program to get the message out there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:23:39 · ≈ 2:23 PM

We will Supervisor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:23:40 · ≈ 2:23 PM

And then my other question I think we had talked about this before, and I just wanted some clarification because maybe it's in our board letter. But I had talked to you about Goleta Beach, the issue of classes that want to use the park but the fees are too expensive and it becomes cost prohibitive for a class to go out there. Is there anywhere in here that gives Where there's some allowance to not charge school activities at our beaches.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:24:19 · ≈ 2:24 PM

Chair, Supervisor we did not bring forward any type of proposal on a discount for school age children in this proposal. If that is something the board would like us to consider we can definitely do that but we didn't present that in this particular presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:24:37 · ≈ 2:24 PM

Well, I was just going to ask Mr. Parker if he could tell us, I believe that there are some allowances for folks to be able to show up and not pay. Could you elaborate on that for us please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:24:51 · ≈ 2:24 PM

Thank you. We have in the past, I believe the county has permitted school groups to utilize our park facilities During the middle portion of the day, basically from about 7.30 until 3 at our park sites because those are times of the day when those facilities are not being used very heavily or impacted very heavily by the general public and I believe in the past those have been allowed to be used without fee.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:25:22 · ≈ 2:25 PM

And I think that is accurate. One of the problems, though, is that when a classroom teacher wants to plan ahead of time and they get parent drivers and so forth, they want to make sure that that space is indeed reserved. So sometimes toward the end of a school year there might be more classes that are there. So they want the assurance that they have that reservation. And honestly if we say to them well you can just show up Why not give them the assurance and let's just not charge them because it appears that they're not being charged anyway. And let's give them the assurance that if you are a school, that you can use our parks for free. I mean we do give allowances for non-profits and You know sometimes it's one of the occasions where, I mean it's huge for our schools.

So that is a suggestion I would make. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:26:25 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Supervisor Ingram?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:26:28 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Yeah Mr. Parker, I'm just wondering why we wouldn't charge a day use fee for Goleta Beach, Aurora Borough Beach, Loon Point and Rincon, Guadalupe as well? You know you've got costs at all these places and it doesn't have to be $10 a day or $38 a day but maybe a dollar, two dollars? You get a lot of traffic it could offset a lot of the costs. Have you thought about that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed5:26:56 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Chair, Supervisor. In fact we have and I would just point out that we actually looked at proposing fees for entry to our park sites when we discussed beach parking fees several months back. That was something that we actually presented to our Park Commission at three public hearings but we decided at that particular time not to move forward with it

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:27:25 · ≈ 2:27 PM

Well, it might be worth revisiting is all I'm saying because since we're short of money now than we were then so maybe it's worth revisiting. Thank you. Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:27:42 · ≈ 2:27 PM

Thank you, just I wanted to follow up Mr Adams on your they actually we do There there is rentals at Goleta Beach for some of the facilities Just like Tucker's Grove if you want to rent a site You'd you do have to pay for that but just to go to the beach there is no fee and honestly We, I am so done with the beach parking issue. I am opposed to it. We've had so many hearings and you know, I appreciate your interest because there was a lot of interest but really so much opposition to moving forward in that direction. So thank you for thinking of us.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:28:35 · ≈ 2:28 PM

Supervisor Lavaniello and Supervisor Adam? I've been down that rabbit hole, man. All right. There's a clear desire not to do that again. This is just ancillary because it was brought up and we're talking about swimming and those types of things but are we going to get an update sometime on what's going on in Cuyama? I'm getting questions in the district and those types of things. And I think it would be interesting for us to at least bring it up at a future meeting or have A report of some sort

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:29:09 · ≈ 2:29 PM

I think maybe in a report before the board for 15 minutes would be good So the public could really understand what's transpired. I know we were gonna get a memo or something like that I have been kept apprised, but it would be good for everyone to really Understand the issue Thoroughly in light of the significant asset that it is and the significant impact that it's gonna have in the community so It might be a good idea as a short item 10-15 minutes. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:29:35 · ≈ 2:29 PM

Yes, Chair. We'll agendize that for a future board meeting for you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:29:38 · ≈ 2:29 PM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:29:39 · ≈ 2:29 PM

And in the interim we'll also send out an email to all of the board on current status but with more detail at the board meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:29:46 · ≈ 2:29 PM

Thank you. Supervisor Lavinino just still has a warm spot for Kuyama and his heart. When I left it had a pool. That's all I remember. Oh! Okay. Touche. It did break right after my colleague left the district. So any other discussions? We do have two public speakers. Wait, we have two public speakers. If you're a public speaker, you're going to be able to speak. Fill out a slip and perfect. Why don't we go to the public... One second. Why don't we go to the public and let the two speakers speak.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction5:30:27 · ≈ 2:30 PM

Yeah, our first speaker is Mr. Howard, Alan Howard to be followed by Ted Sands who's our second and final speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed5:30:33 · ≈ 2:30 PM

This wasn't necessarily about public comment but rather to direct towards the staff whether or not there was... Actually sir

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:30:40 · ≈ 2:30 PM

you can address the board. Oh yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed5:30:41 · ≈ 2:30 PM

okay. Have we determined how many people will be deterred from participating in the aquatic programs at Cayuma with this new fee? I don't see that addressed here. Now, I'd like to go to my comments. It is my belief that the county coastal management policies are restricting public access. I am opposed to an increase in the coastal access fees at Halama County Park. The citizens of this State are enduring one of the biggest economic downturns in their lifetimes. The North County has been hit particularly hard. The young and low income residents of this county should not have to jump another hurdle, such as high coastal access fees in order to recreate and relieve the stresses of the day.

I have been told that the park already generates more revenue than it takes to run. If this is the case other revenue sources should be found to supplement the budget of county

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:31:44 · ≈ 2:31 PM

parks.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed5:31:48 · ≈ 2:31 PM

What about Miramar hotel mitigation fees? Are they being taken into account for this beach park? What about CREEF funds, has the county solicited any for this park? This would be free up more county dollars for overhead and maintenance. The Bixby Coho Ranch just sold The first time in 100 years for about $155 million. The tax money increase must be huge. Where did that money go?

Was it allocated, was any allocated to parks? If the rate hikes must be instituted, must they be across-the-board hikes? The federal and state governments are targeting those who can pay more, the county should also. Grand jury report indicates that 60% of the camp spots are used by RVs. These 30 to $100,000 behemoths put a tremendous burden on the infrastructure of the county.

If one can afford to drive one of these, one can pay three dollars more. The student and working class families camping out of their cars, vans and Coleman's should be given a break. If these fees keep rising only the rich will be able to use our parks. Keep the rates low for the young and the low income. I urge you not to impose higher fees at Halama or readjust the fee structure to accommodate the low-income citizens of this county.

Beach access should be used, should not be used as a revenue stream. Access fees should remain low and be subsidized to keep them low. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:33:30 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Thank you very much.

PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction5:33:32 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Mr. Sands, Ted Sands is our final speaker.

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CommentTed SandsProposedself-stated5:33:41 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Thank you Mr. Chairman. My concern in being here was that there may have been a proposal to charge daily casual use of the parks. I'm glad to hear that's not an issue. Communities are known for their quality and access of their parks, Santa Barbara is known worldwide actually for access to its parks and I'm glad to know there's no charge being considered for daily use Many of the people who use these parks are low income, marginal income and they use for the pleasure of themselves their friends and children.

Thank you very much I would change from a negative proposal to a positive.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:34:33 · ≈ 2:34 PM

Let the record reflect that was a positive, a positive slip. Thank you very much. I think that's it for our public speakers back to the board is there further discussion? Is there motion to approve the staff recommendations?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:34:49 · ≈ 2:34 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair I'll make a motion to approve staff's recommendation and to also ask staff to come back with A fee if you can incorporate it a no-no fee charge for For students at the beaches

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:35:05 · ≈ 2:35 PM

during the school

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:35:06 · ≈ 2:35 PM

hours during school hours perfect is there a second?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:35:10 · ≈ 2:35 PM

I'll second and I just want to make one comment in response to Mr. Howard, and that is that you can still camp at Halama for a whole week for under $200. So I think that's still despite the three dollar a day increase still a really great bargain for the people in this county. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:35:32 · ≈ 2:35 PM

And I would just add that the fees of for In Cuyama are really for new programs not for existing daily use of the pool. And the pool looks like in light of its challenges, The sinkhole that we're experiencing it may not be online by this summer so That's something we won't be able to take advantage benefit of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:35:58 · ≈ 2:35 PM

Just to clarify my motion, if I might, that reservations are still required but no charge. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:36:05 · ≈ 2:36 PM

you. Great. Motion's been made and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? Passes unanimously. We can now go on to item number seven. Mr. Allen.

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PresenterUnder Sheriff Jim PetersonProposed · by introduction5:36:25 · ≈ 2:36 PM

Chairman Carter Hall and members of the board, item seven is from public health. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a resolution to amend the Environmental Health Services fee schedule to include a cottage food operation fee.

PresenterMichelle Michiewiczme is Larry FayProposedself-stated5:36:48 · ≈ 2:36 PM

Thank you. Mr. Chair, members of the board, I'm Michelle Michiewicz with Public Health Department. Here with me is Larry Fay, the Environmental Health Director. He'll be making the presentation today.

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:37:02 · ≈ 2:37 PM

Thank you Chair Carbajal, members of the board. I want to thank Michelle for the introduction and as we had said the purpose of this agenda item is to consider fees amendments to our environmental health fee schedule to accommodate the new cottage food operations that were passed into law last year. Before getting into the fees I thought I'd take a couple minutes to talk about cottage food operations as that represents a new kind of food business that we've not had to deal with in the county or in the state in the past.

And let's just see, okay, we got it here. Bear with me a second here. Last year State Legislature passed what's known as the California Homemade Food Act. An interesting piece of legislation really rather exciting in a lot of respects and that the bill provides for the first time That people can prepare certain kinds of foods in a home kitchen and make that food available to the general public either by sale or by giveaway. In the past, any of those kinds of operations were covered under the Food Code and required a food permit and had to be done out of a commercial kitchen. I think the bill was intended to promote an atmosphere supportive of small business enterprises.

It is What I want to say. Like I said, it's one that we are supportive of for a variety of reasons. The small business opportunity it presents to people. I think when you talk about cottage food and you talk about the kinds of things folks do in a cottage food operation in the way of selling to their neighbors or selling at an event helps create connections between the people that are producing the food and the people that are buying the food supports community. That's a good healthy thing.

I think our public health concerns related to the cottage food industry as it were is afforded by the kinds of foods that people are allowed to do. The key thing on the cottage food operations is not only are you allowed to operate from a home kitchen, but the intent of the legislation is really to minimize the amount of involvement or interference or oversight, however you want to put it, of government relative to these operations. There are some limits associated with cottage food. There are dollar limits on the value production and it ramps up from this year $35,000 next year $45,000 in year three $50,000 in gross sales from a cottage food operation.

A cottage food operation is intended to be from your home residence and is limited to either family members being involved in the operation or maximum of one FTE hired employee that could be one full-time person could be two half time or anything along those lines I'm not going to get into all the foods that are able to be produced in a home kitchen. Suffice it to say, chocolate chip cookies, bread, muffins, those are pretty safe food products. Those things that you really have to try. To mess up, and I think that's the origins of the bill. I think the important thing on the list is the list of foods that are allowed are specified in the legislation and the legislation limits the authority to alter the list to the California Department of Public Health

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:40:36 · ≈ 2:40 PM

Larry, I see tamales on there but just fruit tamales not meat tamales? Just fruit tamales yes. That's gonna be wow! There

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:40:46 · ≈ 2:40 PM

are a few things that have come up that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:40:48 · ≈ 2:40 PM

folks... Supervisor Adam was just telling me how he insisted on his meat tamales and now he is going to be disappointed because he has to pay that extra dollar for the overhead of a larger business to do it. Supervisor Adam?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:41:02 · ≈ 2:41 PM

Say one of my staff members is very concerned that his tamale lady not be shut down. So I guess she's not covered by this. Is she doing meat tamales? Well, we're not going to say anymore.

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:41:18 · ≈ 2:41 PM

OK. Thank you, Mayor. But it's clearly fruit tamale, right? It's clearly fruit tamale. The whole yeah. Well, I don't know what people are doing that aren't telling us what they're doing, right? The whole point is the things that you do, what we would call non-potentially hazardous. Things that are not going to be promoting the growth or supporting the growth of bacteria. Things that are not going to transfer from the kitchen to the public if it's prepared. When you get into meat products, of course we have all of the issues associated with that and that's why that would have to come out of a licensed and approved facility.

Two kinds of cottage food operations. We've got what's called a Class A and Class B, very original and creative names for these. The standards for the two are the same in terms of the kinds of care and handling in the kitchen. The list of food products for the two are the same. The difference is a Class A operation is restricted to direct sales meaning the person or his or her employee is engaged in the sale of the food product directly to the consumer A Class B operation can do direct sales, but can also wholesale or sell through a third party through consignment or something along those lines. They can distribute their product through another licensed food vendor.

A Class A operation, very limited oversight on our part. The only thing a Class A operator is required to do is register with us and essentially announce their intent to operate a cottage food business. They complete a self-certification checklist It's a web-based checklist, it comes to us electronically. We receive it, we take a quick look. A couple of things I've noted as we've looked at applications is we've had a few folks from other counties wanting to register here. That doesn't work. We've had a few folks who have indicated that they want to do their cottage food operation somewhere other than their home kitchen and we've had to correct them on that. But for the most part, the registration seems to be working very well.

There is no inspection of a Class A operation. You register, you complete the self-certification checklist I think the intent of the law and the spirit of the legislature on this is that given an opportunity and information, people will be basically honest and do what they said they were going to do. Class we are authorized to collect fees to cover the cost of inspection.

If I guess there is one exception, we can inspect a class A operation based on a credible complaint that would point to a probable violation of the code and if we do an inspection investigation and confirms the violation exists, we can charge fees for the time spent in doing that investigation. The class B operations...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:44:02 · ≈ 2:44 PM

No, I assume If we end up getting a lot of complaints and we're checking these out, some check out to be real violations, some not. There is going to be an expense. So maybe after a year we would look at revisit this and see if we do need to charge a fee of some kind because clearly if it can be complaint driven in the risk that costs that has to be borne by somebody or else it's an unfunded mandate no matter how we look at it.

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:44:31 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Chairman Carball, I would agree. I think as we get some experience with these and we learn the real time that we spend on them, we'll have a better basis for establishing a fee. I'll jump ahead on that class A operation because we're proposing no fee right now which is really rather unusual for us to do. And the thinking at this stage of the game is given the very low level of planned oversight of these operations, until we know what we get in the way of complaints and what we really have in a field, the handling costs of a check would probably exceed the cost of receiving the registration, entering information into database and issuing a registration number. And we're working to automate that function as well. Our goal is to really minimize the handling of the registration to keep the cost and our time down, and be able to support this in a long run without a fee.

But obviously if we wind up doing lots of investigations in response to lots of complaints, we'll have to revisit that. Particularly if we do lots of investigations with lots of complaints but find no violations because we can build ones that are violations. The Class B's are a little different in that they actually have an annual operating permit. We are required to do a pre-opening inspection of the facility, the home this is going to occur in.

We are also authorized to do no more than one annual routine inspection of these folks after they're permitted. So I've talked a little bit about

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:46:11 · ≈ 2:46 PM

the... One second. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:46:13 · ≈ 2:46 PM

I just have a question on the other, the previous slide about the inspection. So you approve a facility and then you can't go back until a whole year. Is that how it is say with a restaurant or another facility?

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:46:35 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Mr. Chair, Board Member Wolf No the other facilities we inspect on a frequency related to the complexity of their menu We go to them at least annually. We try to get to the facilities that have more complex menus two times a year I'd like to get in more frequently if we could But it's a challenge to get around all of them twice a year but there is no specific restriction with regards to how frequently we can go into the other permitted facilities.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:47:10 · ≈ 2:47 PM

If you needed to, could you go in? Or is the law really specific that you... I mean it would seem like if let's say there was a complaint or something The way it's written is that you absolutely cannot go back. I'm just wondering if there's a little

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:47:26 · ≈ 2:47 PM

flexibility. Supervisor Wolf, that's a good question and one that we are exploring right now because Yeah, the law says we can do no more than one inspection a year after that which suggests to me I wait till the end of the year to see if I've had a complaint first. If I'm only going to get one crack at them. So we're actually... California Council of Environmental Health Directors is actually working with a legislator to see if we can get a couple of these things cleared up so that it's that the investigatory type inspection doesn't count towards that one routine.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed5:48:00 · ≈ 2:48 PM

Okay, thank you.

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:48:01 · ≈ 2:48 PM

But at this point it needs clarification So I've already talked about the class A's what we are proposing for the Class B operations is a $292 annual fee Now, it's a little bit difficult to establish a fee for something we've never done before. What we did in coming up with the $292 is take a look at our current fee schedule that has a gradation of permitting levels and activity levels associated with different kinds of operations and tried to line up the cottage food operations with the other Food category that's most like a cottage food. And in our current fee schedule, that's what we call our low risk facilities that sell only prepackaged non-potentially hazardous foods.

They have an established annual permit fee of $292. That's based on past, the time studies that were done related to those. As we look at the Class B cottage operations while they're not exactly the same they're doing food preparation not just the sale of non-potentially hazardous food. The general food categories are the same our best estimate of the time we will spend with these is online So we're proposing using the same fee that we have for those operations.

As we get experience with these, just as we talked about with the Class A's and we have some data to work with, we can revisit what that would be. We also took a look at our benchmark counties And I think the first thing that's of note here is we are the only folks amongst the benchmarks and to my knowledge, the only folks in the state that are not proposing a registration fee for the Class As.

I don't understand how everybody else got it so wrong but that's the way it is sometimes, I guess. The Class Bs, our fee is pretty much in line with everyone else. You can see the average of our benchmark counties is 280. We're proposing 292 When you look at the proposed or adopted fees of the other counties compared to their hourly rates, the interesting thing is there's a lot of consistency amongst the counties in terms of the time commitment they expect to spend on the Class Bs.

I would say that our fees were reviewed by the auditor's office. The methodology that we used and established them back when was approved And that wraps up my presentation and I'm open to questions.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:50:50 · ≈ 2:50 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well thank you for your presentation staff and I just want to say that I'm very excited about this. I think it's going to provide a lot of wonderful opportunities for people that they haven't had before but also I think kind of legitimize a lot of operations that were already going on and so this provides a path for that. And you know I have to say selfishly speaking I thought oh now I can sell my organic apricot jam But not necessarily related specifically to your department, but I'm concerned about the broader issue of people wanting to do this and it's kind of the class A thinking, oh all I have to do is start making something and selling it without perhaps necessarily knowing or realizing that there are other things that they might have to do because it's a business.

So there's no exemption here just because it's small cottage food operation from say If the jurisdiction requires a business license, does it trigger the need for a home occupation permit? Clearly you have to get a resale license from the Board of Equalization and charge sales tax. I mean all these things follow on right with any of these operations.

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:52:11 · ≈ 2:52 PM

Chairman Carbajal and Supervisor Farr yes there are a couple of issues business licenses potential zoning requirements now that California Homemade Food Act also has provisions in it related to zoning. Zoning departments are supposed to adopt rules and regulations that do not prohibit, they can adopt reasonable standards for the operation but they can't prohibit a cottage food operation by zoning.

And I know the Planning and Development Department is currently working on rules to... Okay, that's good to know. The self-certification checklist that is submitted by the cottage food operators includes some questions about coordination with a local zoning official and building official as well as the business licensing but again the intent is That the registration, the registrant has done that work and when they submit to us they have confirmed that that is taken care of. There's no provision for us to review and confirm if that's happened again this is intended to be really a hands-off kind of thing from a public health perspective

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:53:13 · ≈ 2:53 PM

Okay, well I'm just wondering in being consumer focused here that whether we might consider as a county having some kind of a checklist for people that are interested in doing this. That all any county departments that might be involved might have available or we might have posted on the website so that if somebody's interested in doing this They would have some kind of a checklist of what is needed, including the fact that they're going to be considered a business like any other. And they're going to have to go to the Board of Equalization and they're gonna have to get a business license or whatever. Because I have to say my first thought was these are really great small individual operations without necessarily thinking just because you're doing it in your home kitchen that you may not be subject to these other rules and regulations.

Thank you Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:54:05 · ≈ 2:54 PM

Thank you. Supervisor Adam?

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:54:08 · ≈ 2:54 PM

I just had a couple of little things that bother me about this deal. Page two, there's a footnote on class A. Are you there? Yes. Can you check out the last four words Five words in that sentence there on the footnote. Other code violations?

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:54:46 · ≈ 2:54 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Adam. Yes, the last four words are other code violations. That's essentially the words from the legislation so while The focus is on the safe food handling practices in the course of response to an investigation. I'm trying to think what other kinds of code violations one might experience in looking, but these would be from our perspective these are code violations that fall under the public health responsibilities of the Cottage Food Act and not say Building code issues or something and I'm not sure where you're going with that. We're going in with fairly focused... You got your blinders on? Well, we...I have enough work to do.

I'm going in and looking at the things that I have responsibility for. Okay because

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:55:34 · ≈ 2:55 PM

that's a little bit of an issue for me is You let somebody in and maybe they're allowing you to come in, do an inspection. And they might want to rethink whether they want you in their home if there's other violations that... There's hardly anybody that can't break the law. I mean, that's something that I think there are so many laws it's hardly anybody that hasn't broken something inadvertently at least.

Page 4 of the actual text has another similar reference. This financial penalty shall be in addition to the plan, it's section four operating without a permit. It's actual rules.

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GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:56:35 · ≈ 2:56 PM

Chairman Carbajal, Supervisor Adam. That language is currently in the enforcement provisions of the food code. A cottage food operation is not subject to plan submission and plan review so that has no meaning in the context of that section. So if there was a... I mean how do I put this? If you are required to do a plan check as part of the normal kind of permit process and

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:57:08 · ≈ 2:57 PM

I just thought that was kind of a funny thing because it sort of looks like somebody picked that out of the sky, because there could be any number of other fees that were associated with that type of activity and not just plan check and construction fees. So I just kinda didn't know where these guys were going with the whole thing and how do you view that as it relates to

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:57:33 · ≈ 2:57 PM

your enforcement? Okay, Chairman Carbajal, Supervisor Adams. I'm thinking about this in the context of the larger food operations. And one of the remedies that occurs frequently, and a typical thing that happens in a restaurant situation is over time they grow, and that's kind of a natural thing that would happen to business, and they may or may not think about telling us about it. At some point they may outgrow the facilities that they have, and we don't see it until we come in to do an inspection.

That could trigger a notice and a requirement to come in for a plan review and a plan check. That would not apply in the case of a cottage food operation, there is no provision to require a cottage food operation to submit plans. The only requirement is that pre-opening inspection on our part.

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:58:23 · ≈ 2:58 PM

In theory they're working out of the existing kitchen?

GuestAdamsProposed · by introduction5:58:26 · ≈ 2:58 PM

That's

CommentJeff BardProposed · by introduction5:58:26 · ≈ 2:58 PM

right. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:58:31 · ≈ 2:58 PM

Not having any further discussion, Supervisor Farr? I will move this item. Motion's been made. Seconded. Not having further discussion all those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? Passes unanimously. This concludes our agenda for today. Is there a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn? Second? All those in favor? Aye. ♪ Yeah.