BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 June 25, 2013

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:00 · ≈ 9:00 AM

Hi. Hi. Music I'm Oh, down is? OK. Salute has it all backwards. All right. Good morning! I'm... Wow. That feels good. OK. Morning. I'd like to call to order the June 25th meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Our chairman, Supervisor Carbajal is out of town. He's been called to the White House and so I will be chairing today's meeting. Mr. Allen can we have a roll call please?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:32 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Ms. Wolfe?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:34 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:34 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Ms. Farrer? Here Mr. Adam? Here Mr. Lavagnino?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:38 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Here

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:38 · ≈ 9:02 AM

And the record will reflect that Supervisor Carbajal is absent.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:41 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Okay, you can please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

CommentDonna SundayProposedself-stated2:48 · ≈ 9:02 AM

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:53 · ≈ 9:02 AM

republic for which it

CommentDonna SundayProposedself-stated2:55 · ≈ 9:02 AM

stands

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:56 · ≈ 9:02 AM

one nation under God indivisible with liberty

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:07 · ≈ 9:03 AM

All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:07 · ≈ 9:03 AM

right, is there a motion to approve the minutes of our June 18th meeting? We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Passes unanimously. Mr. Allen do we have any changes to the agenda? We do?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:26 · ≈ 9:03 AM

We also have the minutes for the budget hearings listed. If we could get a motion or any comments

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:31 · ≈ 9:03 AM

on that? For the budget hearings, okay. Can we get a motion on approval of the budget hearings of the 10th, 12th and June 14th of 2013? Moved and seconded. All those in favor? Motion passes unanimously. And now we would like to see if we have any changes to the agenda. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:52 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As Supervisor Carbajal is not here today he and I had brought the plastic bag ban consideration for today's meeting And we would like to have that moved to the July 2nd meeting. Understanding, of course, that that's going to be a very packed meeting but it's something that we would like to be heard in Santa Barbara and heard on July 2nd.

And so I don't know if there's...

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:35 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Is there any discussion?

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction4:37 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Mr. Chair? If I could, you know, I would support that. I think out of, you know, courtesy to the supervisors when we bring something to the board it's good to have all the supervisors that are sponsoring it there. However, we do have a very packed agenda on the second so I'm wondering whether the board would also consider moving the Chumash item to August 20th which is also a Santa Barbara meeting.

It's in my district. The tribe is in my district and the constituents that would be coming for this, both tribal and non-tribal are all in my district. And the second is not really a good day for the community because that's the holiday week. So I'm hoping then if we're going to move the one item to the second that we could make some time by moving this particular item to the 20th of August where we have plenty of time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:40 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:42 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Thank you supervisor for that certainly helps the July 2nd date so do we need a motion for this?

Agenda Discussionitems moved / continued / pulled, click to expand
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:51 · ≈ 9:05 AM

I think a motion to move item number two to this to July second would be appropriate at this point

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:00 · ≈ 9:06 AM

but would that be including moving the Chumash item at that point as well is that included in the motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:07 · ≈ 9:06 AM

The I think the cleanest way is to include both in the same motion. Okay, so that we have a record of the movement

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:14 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Okay Then that will be my motion To move the plastic bag issue to July 2nd and move the Chumash dialogue requests for response to August 20th

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:28 · ≈ 9:06 AM

OK, discussion? Just want to chime in for a second. And I totally understand that it's in your district Supervisor Farr. Although the Chumash issue, I do get hundreds of emails on those and I don't think anybody really looks at district boundary lines on Chumash items. I tend to get all the mail that's associated with that as well. And it is an issue that covers our entire county.

The fact that Supervisor Carbajal brought that forward as the chairman and he's not here today. I did not have a chance to speak with his staff to see if this was going to be an issue with him, but Supervisor Adam? Well, I just wanted to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed7:12 · ≈ 9:07 AM

say that the Chumash issue there's a lot of people who work at At the casino and go to the casino in all of our districts So, you know it's sort of transcends as I view it even though it's physically within your district. It's sort of Transcends district boundaries at least a little

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:31 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Okay. Well, can we get a vote on the motion then? Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:36 · ≈ 9:07 AM

This wolf hi this far mr. Adam, mr. Lavagnino Aye. Passes four to nothing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed7:47 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:51 · ≈ 9:07 AM

That's how we do it. All right. Next up, we have

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:58 · ≈ 9:07 AM

public comment. Any member of the public wishing to speak on matters not on today's agenda should fill out a speaker slip and give it to Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen, how many speaker slips do we have today?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed8:06 · ≈ 9:08 AM

We have two requests to speak today. We'll start with David Daniel Diaz to be followed by Rondi Guthrie here in Santa Barbara.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed8:19 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Good morning, Santa Barbara County. First of all the MTD here locally in the South Coast, I went to get a new card for my disability access and the picture was worn out and they said no you're going to have to fill out an application as is everyone else who has a card. And we're talking about low income Medicare, MediCal people. Even though we are permanently disabled, we're going to have to go and take this to the doctor. And pay whether it's through taxpayers money through the association of governments or whatever. But a two page application has to be filled out by people who are permanently disabled to get a re-up on their bus card and it's gonna occur every five years. I think this is slap in the face.

Forcing all these people to have to go back and see a doctor just to get a bus card. It's a waste of money, and perhaps the MTD should go ahead and be responsible for paying the medical bill when they go see the doctor. Secondly I was at the Gaviota meeting at the Planning Commission recently, and the first half hour to 45 minutes I was shocked as were other people. They discussed their calendar events only that items this item should have been dealt with In the offices internally behind the scenes.

This member was not going to be here this day, that member not here. Oh, this staff member's not gonna be here so we can't meet on this day and I'm going do we really need to know all of this as the public? We came here to discuss and throw our interest into this project because we're all very concerned about the Gaviota Coast and it's a waste of taxpayers' money to see these people sitting there for half hour to 45 minutes working out their calendar in front of the public. So I thought I would just share that with you and then someone on the rez asked me to say this little commercial. Andy Codwell, if you keep smoothing Wendy McCaw they may name a slot machine after you at the casino. Have a good day.

Thank you Mr. Daniels.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed10:13 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Ron D Guthrie?

CommentRondi GuthrieProposedself-stated10:17 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Good morning Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. My name is Rondi Guthrie and I wanted to come here this morning and introduce myself as the new local public affairs region manager for Southern California Edison And I look forward to working with you on implementing energy efficiency programs throughout the county and ensuring a safe reliable and affordable supply of electricity for our residents and businesses Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed10:40 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Thank you for being here Mr. Allen's that our last speaker?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed10:44 · ≈ 9:10 AM

That was our final speaker

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed10:45 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Okay We will close public comment and that takes us to our administrative agenda. Are there any items my colleagues would like to pull? Let's start with Supervisor Farr.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction10:55 · ≈ 9:10 AM

No items, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed10:57 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Supervisor Wolf? Mr. Adams? No? Okay we don't have any items our colleagues would like to pull. Do we have any requests by the public to speak on the administrative agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed11:05 · ≈ 9:11 AM

We have two requests to speak on item A6 and item A16. If you'd like to move ahead, we can... Do you want to approve the balance or do you want to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed11:18 · ≈ 9:11 AM

just move ahead? Let's hear from the public first and then we'll make a motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed11:22 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Okay. We're going to start with item A16 and our first speaker on this item is Kevin Reddy to be followed by Michael Youngdahl

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed11:34 · ≈ 9:11 AM

I'm not sure if we're speaking on A6 both of us

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed11:40 · ≈ 9:11 AM

We got it, A6. Oh Mr. Allen did you read A6 in? Please.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed11:47 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Yeah pardon me item A6 is from the County Executive Office the recommendation is regarding terms and conditions of employment for unrepresented employees.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed11:56 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Mr. Reddy. Thank you I've submitted to an alternate resolution on this item we ask you to approve instead of that submitted to you by HR Two weeks ago, I spoke to you to tell you how your civil attorney employees were concerned that our attorney peers in the District Attorney Union had gotten pay raise after pay raise over the last several years while the civil attorneys had been frozen out of any pay raise with the rest of unrepresented management. When at the end of the budget hearings we heard you voice your agreement and vote to give the unrepresented management a long overdue 3% pay increase, we thought great!

They've listened to our concerns and acted. Imagine how we felt when we saw that the HR department had carefully crafted the resolution before you now to give every unrepresented management group a 3% pay increase you put in the budget, except your civil attorney employees. HR says the pay raise would be illegal for civil attorneys because it would be an unfair labor practice. We told HR they were wrong. We are not yet a certified bargaining group. We had merely asked to be a bargaining group and cannot be certified until the appeal period runs in July. and then possibly for weeks or months thereafter. We told HR that the key factor is whether a certification has been made of the bargaining group. HR refused to include us in the resolution, and said it would be illegal.

It is not illegal. We are not a certified bargaining group, and you are free to act to implement your budget decision and give us the 3% pay raise. Your county counsel is here, and he can tell you if he disagrees with this. So how did a resolution based upon a misreading of the law get in front of your board? If you look at the top of the board letter and the signatures on the resolution, you'll see that there is no indication that the required county council approval of either the board letter or the resolution have been done even though it's clearly involving a crucial legal issue.

Besides this legal error by HR, HR cannot have it both ways. If the civil attorneys are a certified bargaining group such that you cannot unilaterally give us a pay raise then HR cannot act unilaterally to freeze our merit increase As the first paragraph of the board letter tells us it is doing. HR cannot refuse to take a beneficial action based upon their misreading of the law and facts here, and then act to take a negative action. If the law applies one way, it applies the other.

However they are wrong about the law. The resolution we have prepared contains the proper provisions to give all of the senior employees who have been frozen out of pay increases for five years the 3% that you said you were giving them. Item A-6 is effective on June 24th, and on that date all unrepresented employees currently covered by the management resolution should be given the same pay raise you approved as part of the budget. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed14:40 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Thank You Mr. Reddy. Mr. Adam? Yeah Mr. Reddy if he could stay at the mic for a couple minutes I'm just wondering when when is it that that unit will be recognized

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed14:53 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Well, it can't be recognized at all prior to July 9th because the action by HR to propose it to the employees and other bargaining units that could object to it doesn't run until July 9th. And then sometime thereafter I believe your board has to actually do the certification and given the extensive break period of the summer that might not take place for weeks or months as I said. But nevertheless, this action today is set in the resolution to act for all unrepresented employees effective today. As of today we are not a bargaining unit

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed15:32 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Well I get that, but you anticipate being a bargaining unit at some

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed15:37 · ≈ 9:15 AM

point in the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed15:38 · ≈ 9:15 AM

very near future?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed15:39 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Yes Supervisor.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed15:40 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Okay well the question then becomes if you get that bargaining unit status are you going to expect to be able to bargain?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed15:52 · ≈ 9:15 AM

If we get that, we will bargain based upon the status quo as of the start of our bargaining unit. Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed15:58 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Okay so if we give you a raise today, we're going to be in bargaining again virtually immediately in government time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed16:06 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Probably next fall there'll be bargaining. I'll tell you in advance all we are going to be asking is to be treated in the same way that your district attorney's association would. I'll put that on the table right now. All we want to do is be treated fairly.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:24 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Excuse me. Can we just have the CEO, can we investigate this and bring this back to us so that we can discuss this in closed session? I believe it might be a...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed16:30 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Chair, Supervisor, yes we can however I really must say that we have looked at this from a legal perspective and we do believe that what's being proposed to you today is legal and certainly will provide additional information that we can share with you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:46 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed16:47 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Mr. Chair, the issue is not whether the issue they propose today is legal it's whether giving us the pay raise is illegal and it's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:55 · ≈ 9:16 AM

not right but I just don't want to you're making bargaining positions here in open session. I'm not sure this is the best venue to do that so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed17:03 · ≈ 9:17 AM

we're not a bargaining unit. That's our whole point

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed17:05 · ≈ 9:17 AM

gotcha supervisor for

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction17:07 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair and I know we have more speakers on this item but if we're going to be asking for more information about this You know when we talked about this during budget the amount of the increase that was proposed for the managers was broken out between the whole number and The general fund number because a certain amount of it Was going to be coming from non-general fund Then the estimate of $1.5 million for the balance of this is not broken down into how much of that is general fund and how much of that would not be general fund. For everybody else, which I'm assuming includes the attorneys that Mr. Reddy is talking about? No it does not include the attorneys. They're not in either number. Okay so I guess we need...I would like to know that number too.

I'd like to have the 1.5 broken out and I'd like to know what the attorney number is. Thank you Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed18:04 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Okay can we get that information? Okay thank you very much. Thank You Mr. Reddy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed18:09 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Our next speaker is Michael Youngdahl to be followed by Maria Lasalla

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed18:13 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Good morning, Michael Youngdahl. I am the Vice President of the same organization that Mr. Reddy is the president of and The first thing I'd like to do is just say that there also are child support attorneys who are part of this group. And they wanted to be here today, also. They're all in court. They've supported what Mr. Reddy had to say. I'm basically here just to say that our organization completely stands behind everything that Mr. Reddy had to say and one of the things that I heard just now was a request for more Information, just a little bit of history. I've been with the office not quite as long as Mr. Reddy but over 20 years now and one of the things I was thinking about last night was the fact that the senior lawyers within the office we've been frozen for five years.

Salary compensation has been frozen and what's happened in the last five years in our offices is we've had an unprecedented turnover. An unprecedented turnover It's amazing what's happened and your board just saw it a couple weeks ago. We had two well loved lawyers, very competent, very senior with a ton of institutional knowledge who walked out the door and what I would submit is that there is a connection between what's happened over the last five years. No merit increases over the last five years. In fact, in fact when I said merit increases I should correct myself no increases period.

And what has happened over a longer period of time is we have some lawyers, one of whom was one of the two that left who he had not had an increase, a merit increase in the last century. This century and we have another lawyer who hasn't had a merit increase for 17 years. So we've got an interesting situation. We've got a freeze, we've been told, and we have people walking out the door. And I would just submit that the 3% is pretty important, pretty important. And what as I understand the broadbanding, as I understood it when it was first proposed, is it was supposed to fix that problem of no merit increases.

And what's happened is it just hasn't. So this would be a start down the road to solving that problem. And appreciate the time, thank you. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed20:47 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Our next speaker is Marie Lasala. She's our final speaker on this item.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed20:57 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Good morning.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:58 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Morning.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed20:59 · ≈ 9:20 AM

I did submit a bit of additional information. I apologize for its lateness and I'm speaking to you today as a senior attorney who likes her job very much. I am very fortunate, I represent wonderful clients. I have very interesting challenging cases. And I agree with everything that Mike Youngdahl and Kevin Reddy had to say today, but there's one more part of item A6 that I think needs to be addressed. I don't know of a way to fix this particular problem with the resolution. I think it might be misnumbered, but its numbered as 09223.

The reason I'm bringing it up is, I think it gives you a pretty clear example of how inequitable things have become. Many of the senior attorneys at County Council and Child Support Services were very shocked and disillusioned to see this item include a special resolution to increase the salary for just one supervising attorney in the office of county council.

It excludes a comparable senior supervising attorney and child support services. But the biggest problem that we saw with it was, it's very hard when you're trying to be a team player and you've had to accept year after year being told difficult budget times No merit increases. We said OK no cost of living increases again the budget for having problems so you say OK and you keep working but When you see the salary for a particular colleague increasing 63 percent over five years during the worst budget crisis any of us can remember it's disillusioning. It makes you question your value to the county money isn't everything but it is an indication as to whether or not you're valued So I when I come to you today. I ask you to say no to resolutions that make the situation worse that make it more unequal and I think it's always best when you make your decisions to have all the information in front of you.

And that's why I brought this additional information today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:55 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Thank you very much Supervisor Wolf

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed23:58 · ≈ 9:23 AM

You

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed23:58 · ≈ 9:23 AM

anticipated that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:01 · ≈ 9:24 AM

It's intuition.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed24:04 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Thank you, I'm going to just make a general comment on this item and I thank you for speaking to it and regarding We have three things that we're being asked to approve today. And the first one that Ms. LaSalle brought up, I did talk to County Counsel Marshall about that. I understand the concerns about that and I think from a policy perspective I don't like picking one employee out of, you know when we've done this big thing during our budget hearings.

I can support item 1 and 2, but I agree that item 3 on the freezing of the annual merit step increases is something that I don't support at this time. I do believe it should come back to us in closed session. This is something that I have voted against in the past when it's come before us. And the implications of maintaining this freeze, I think does have a lot of implications.

So, I would like to take this item separately and vote as I had, and make the motion as I had just specified.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:46 · ≈ 9:25 AM

OK. Any other comments? Supervisor Farr?

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction25:54 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Well, I share Supervisor Wolf's concerns and if we're going to take this item separately right now and if that's her motion, I will second it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed26:03 · ≈ 9:26 AM

OK I see a little bit of a problem also because. I believe a couple of us have voted against this during budget so I'm starting to think that maybe item A-6 needs to come back when we have a full board and I know we're looking at the implementation effective June 24th what's our next meeting?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed26:28 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Chair, this could come back to you on the second. I believe that we anticipate having a full board at that time. It would require us to implement, I think, a pay period later than what we had anticipated instead of the 24th. That would be two weeks after that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed26:47 · ≈ 9:26 AM

What's the feeling on the board, Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed26:51 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Thank you. Given the comments, I think then that we just move forward with what we had approved during budget which was the 3% wage increase and that would include attachment A. We hold off on anything else until if you want to have the full board or we go back into closed session but let us at least move forward on what we approve during budget.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:17 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Okay, but the reason why that passed on budget is because I think we had a full board at the time. We can take the item again if you'd like, but if you remember during budget hearings there were some of us that didn't approve of this so we can vote on this again or we can just wait two weeks.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed27:34 · ≈ 9:27 AM

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:35 · ≈ 9:27 AM

guess

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed27:36 · ≈ 9:27 AM

I don't remember how everyone voted although I do recall that Supervisor Adam voted against the budget Mr.. Yes, mr.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction27:45 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Chair You know in light of your comments I think that you're right and I do think that more information during closed session

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed27:53 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Okay

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction27:54 · ≈ 9:27 AM

would be good so if we maybe should just continue this whole item until next week

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed27:59 · ≈ 9:27 AM

okay supervisor Adam Well, I will If it looks like it's gonna come back at closed session that solves my problem

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:07 · ≈ 9:28 AM

Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed28:08 · ≈ 9:28 AM

wolf

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:09 · ≈ 9:28 AM

okay, you know I I feel very strongly, I think we just need to take a vote on at least the action that we took during the budget because maybe some people have changed their mind. Okay. So I'm going to make a motion on item A6 that we improve the implementation on the 3% wage increase as noted in number 1 eliminating the Chief Deputy County Counsel and the resolution for attachment A.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:39 · ≈ 9:28 AM

So A and B?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:41 · ≈ 9:28 AM

Just no just a attachment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:44 · ≈ 9:28 AM

I know, but it's so it's its recommendations A and B, but not see

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:49 · ≈ 9:28 AM

one in two.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:49 · ≈ 9:28 AM

I have an A and b. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:51 · ≈ 9:28 AM

but it's not. It's not all of one and two.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:53 · ≈ 9:28 AM

All right? That's a motion is there second

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed28:58 · ≈ 9:28 AM

Excuse me, Mr. Chair. I don't know that I completely followed that particular so perhaps if we could ask for you all to repeat that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:06 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Let me just make it clear. We are just approving what we did during budget nothing more. So resolution B, we didn't talk about during budget and the freeze. So let's just do the 3% as we did during budget.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed29:27 · ≈ 9:29 AM

So for clarity, on item number one you're suggesting that the Chief Deputy County Counsel be removed from that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed29:36 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed29:36 · ≈ 9:29 AM

And then on number two adopt resolution and attachment just a?

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction29:41 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed29:42 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Okay thank you.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction29:44 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Mr. Chair I'm sorry. Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed29:47 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Farr.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction29:49 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Did you say Supervisor Wolf to exclude Chief Deputy County

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:53 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Counsel? Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed29:55 · ≈ 9:29 AM

So that we would deal with that later?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:56 · ≈ 9:29 AM

So that we're just dealing with what we did during budget.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction30:02 · ≈ 9:30 AM

Because that wasn't included during budget, correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed30:10 · ≈ 9:30 AM

How

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed30:10 · ≈ 9:30 AM

about this? Can I make a little bit of a deal here? Even if we went to July 2nd or our next meeting With the raise could we because you're worried about implementing the race now correct. That's your concern OK with the rays be retroactive to can we make it June 24th retroactive to the 24th CEO Waller or Mr Marshall.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed30:41 · ≈ 9:30 AM

I think that you could make it retroactive. It would be cleaner if it was not retroactive. Normally the law would say, if you had a intent to act, but it could be retroactive to the date you manifest the intent. But now to the extent that you're going to reconsider probably not retroactive back to this pay period.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed31:08 · ≈ 9:31 AM

Okay. Well let me just ask this question then. This item was not pulled by any of us up here. But it was brought to our attention from our county council folks. I was prepared to vote for item A6 as it was written, even though I did have the concern with number 3. So maybe it's best just to move this item forward? That doesn't mean we can't talk about Item 3 again in closed session?

Perfect

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed31:45 · ≈ 9:31 AM

because as I stated during the budget hearings, I did not support this however I did vote for the entire budget as a whole and you know I know that Supervisor Carbajal does support this. He voted for it and I really would just as soon keep everything in neat, as clean as possible instead of having to go back move this retroactive pay raises all this sort of thing. It's on the administrative agenda and I did support the budget as a whole so just for sake of keeping us clean yes as long as you'll go along with that I'm cool with that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed32:20 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Yes I so I will withdraw my motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:23 · ≈ 9:32 AM

okay We are back to, we're moving on to A-16 I believe.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed32:31 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Chairman Levin, you know members of the board... Excuse me, I'm sorry. It's okay. Was it your intent to take a vote on A-6 or to bring it back at a future time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:40 · ≈ 9:32 AM

It's going to be considered part of the administrative agenda. So just as a part of the admin agenda. With direction to you that you will bring back information to us in closed session regarding our speakers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed32:55 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:56 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Thank You.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed32:59 · ≈ 9:32 AM

All right, Chairman Carbaugh members of the board item A16 we have one speaker it's from social services and the request that the board approved the Santa Barbara County Workforce Investment Act strategic plan Mr. Caldwell and Santa Maria

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:16 · ≈ 9:33 AM

That's not my fault, Andy. Go ahead we can hear you now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed33:24 · ≈ 9:33 AM

We kind of think this report should be on the departmental agenda because literally what this agency is supposed to be doing is helping people get into the workforce or get back into the workforce and this is one of those reports where it was 50 something pages of blah, blah, blah. And then a couple of tables with some numbers in them. One of the things you have to ask yourself is on page 52 of the staff report we finally see real numbers versus percentages because as you know percentages don't tell you anything and I have to ask the question are we spending $1 million?

To get 38 adults and 53 displaced workers and 16 youths jobs, 100 people. Is that really the performance outcome? I don't know, I can't tell because it was blah, blah, blah about everything except this number. The other thing going on here is that 79%, 79% of the people seeking services are in Santa Maria, 21% in Santa Barbara. And yet you look at all the partnerships they have in Santa Barbara versus blah, blah, blah in the North County.

I've interviewed a couple of guys on the radio show a number of times over the years and they talk about this concept of two Californias. You have the coastal elite versus the inland rural poor, and how there's not just a difference in economics, there's a difference in workforce We have that microcosm here. This whole program is we need to get people into college, we need to get people into advanced training. Well the North County needs farm workers.

We need farm workers. That is our leading economic sector and there's a total disconnect. There's mention of energy, there's no mention of oil. We need permits and oil. We need farm workers in the field, and wineries need approval. There's no mention of the regulatory climate. There's no mention of the diesel engine rules. There's no mention of AB 32. There is no mention at the regional water quality control boards regulations. There is nothing. Those are the biggest factors, the biggest subjects dealing with the economy especially in the North County 60 pages not a word.

We think you need to look at this Workforce Investment Board to see who's running it and what they're doing. I used to be a member of it years ago when we actually accomplished things because we were connected with the real needs of the economy,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed36:26 · ≈ 9:36 AM

thank you. Thank you for your comments. Any other speakers?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed36:31 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Mr. Caldwell was our final speaker

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed36:33 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Okay, Mr. Allen can I get him? Go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed36:36 · ≈ 9:36 AM

I just have one last request on the administrative agenda on item 824 this is from planning and development And I read this into the record briefly This is to set a hearing to consider recommendations regarding The appeal filed by Patrick Nesbitt of the County Planning Commission's denial of the Montecito Ranch Estates recorded map modification lot line adjustment This is located on Via Real in the Summerland area the request from staff Is that this item not be set for August 20th but instead That we set this for September 3rd, 2013 in Santa Barbara. And if you could just make that a part of your motion on the administrative rejected.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:08 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Okay very good. Is there a motion to move the administrative agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed37:12 · ≈ 9:37 AM

So moved Mr. Chair along with the issue related to item A24. Okay. I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:18 · ≈ 9:37 AM

going

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed37:19 · ≈ 9:37 AM

to second.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:20 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Second. Motion's been moved and second all those in favor? Aye. Motion is passed unanimously let's move to our departmental hearings Item 1, Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed37:35 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Chairman Lavinino, members of the board, item number one comes to the board from Supervisor Adam and Supervisor Lavagnino. It's a hearing to receive and file a report from the Ag Commissioner's Office regarding the Asian citrus psyllid scanner program implementation, the Western Thrip phyto issues invasive species, and chloropitracin fumigant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:55 · ≈ 9:37 AM

You got that out. Very good, Mr Allen. Supervisor Adam and I You know, up in North County we all know that ag is over a billion dollar industry here in Santa Barbara County. We know what a great job Kathy Fisher's doing and her staff and so we just thought there were some very important items that are out there that we feel the entire county needs to know about it. And so we've asked Ms. Fisher and her staff to come and give us a presentation on some of these items. I believe Mr. Tingos is going to be leading this. Good morning.

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated38:30 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Chairman Levin, you know, and Supervisors I'm Guy Tingos with the Agricultural Commissioner's Office. And I appreciate the opportunity to briefly update your board on recent activities in our department in the areas of the Scanner Program, our Export Certification Program, Asian Citrus Psyllid, Soil Fumigants and Invasive Pests. Our scanner program compares shelf prices with what is actually charged at the checkout stand for randomly selected items.

As you may remember, the consumer is entitled to the lowest posted advertised or quoted price for any item. We are currently aware of about 700 businesses that use scanners and during our inspections we identify overcharges as well as under charges. So far our initial scanner inspections have detected a 20% non-compliance rate which includes pricing errors not taking care and improper labeling Our inspectors make sure that all pricing errors are corrected before they leave the store.

To strengthen our program, we have implemented many of the suggestions that we received. We printed the price accuracy stickers requested by your board to be posted at checkout stand locations. We created a new online complaint form to make it easier for businesses and the public to alert us to unfair business practices or pricing errors. We approved the small business fee reduction for a qualifying business in Carpinteria.

We held our first office hearing to help educate a local business that was having problems with underweight packages and pricing errors, and we have three more office hearings scheduled. And we've leveled fines on two large businesses that were overcharging their customers. Next I'd like to update you on our export certification program that enables Santa Barbara agricultural commodities to be exported to foreign countries.

There are three major components to this program. First, each foreign country establishes plant quarantine regulations for United States commodities in order to protect their agricultural industry and environment from plant pests not known to occur in their countries. U.S. exporters must meet the requirements if they want to export the commodities to the foreign country.

Second, the USDA establishes policies and procedures that must be followed to certify that each shipment meets the requirements of the foreign country. The USDA also maintains a database that contains each foreign country's regulations, and they also train and certify local officials to interpret these requirements, perform sampling and inspections, and certify the commodities by issuing phytosanitary certificates.

Adhering to USDA's policies ensures shipment integrity and program credibility. Finally, the staff from the Agricultural Commissioner's Office are certified by the USDA to conduct the inspections and issue the phytosanitary certificates. So how does the process work? First, the exporter requests a phytosanitary certificate and provides information about the shipment.

Growers can submit these requests in a variety of ways by choosing the method that best suits their business. They can submit the request in person by fax, by email or through the USDA's online tracking system known as PSIT. Once we receive the request our staff researches the import requirements based on the destination country and the commodity perform an inspection of the commodity to determine if it meets the requirements of the importing country and then issues a phytosanitary certificate if the commodity passes inspection.

Occasionally The ag industry has raised allegations of unfairness regarding individual counties holding their shippers to different certification standards. We've sent our staff to other counties and we've had other county's inspectors come here to ensure consistency at the inspection procedures. Most recently, our inspectors traveled to Salinas to observe Monterey County inspectors perform inspections for the insect Western flower thrips on broccoli destined to Taiwan. We found that our inspection procedures were consistent with those in Monterey and that both counties were following USDA guidelines.

Our service benefits Santa Barbara County growers in a number of ways. Exporters get fast responses to questions, and we can tell them the regulations for new commodities or markets they may be interested in developing. We have 14 employees who are trained and qualified to sample, inspect and issue phytosanitary certificates. Additionally we have a plant pathologist and entomologist on staff who have up-to-date information on whether the pests of concern of the foreign countries exist in our county.

We are also best suited to conduct growing season inspections of the crop if necessary and to take official samples. Finally, our service supports county growers competing in the global economy. In 2012 we issued over 8000 phytosanitary certificates to 26 different countries. The cost of a certificate in Santa Barbara County is currently $40 and the exporter doesn't have to transport the commodity to an inspection station. We go to their facility.

The USDA Currently charges $106 per certificate and there's the added cost of shipping the commodity to a USDA inspection station such as one in Los Angeles. In 2012 alone, our service saved county exporters over half a million dollars in fees. To further facilitate certification A local packing house recently opened a fumigation facility, which will enable growers to export a wider variety of commodities to an expanded number of countries.

In our pest prevention program there's been a lot of activity recently regarding a serious threat to the citrus industry. Asian citrus psyllid is an insect native to Asia that is about the size of a grain of rice. It is now found throughout the southern United States from Florida to California and is also found in Mexico. On its own, the psyllid causes very little damage.

The real threat to the citrus industry is the disease Huanglongbing or HLB. It is a fatal disease of citrus and it has no cure. Before the tree dies, the fruit becomes bitter, inedible, and unmarketable. In Florida, the disease has become established and has caused severe losses to the citrus industry there. So what's the concern with the Asian Citrus Psyllid?

The insect provides the mechanism for spreading the disease. The psyllid picks up the disease when it feeds on an infected tree. The disease actually multiplies inside the psyllids and then the psyllids transmit the disease when it feeds on an uninfected tree. The California Department of Food and Agriculture monitors for ACP by placing and inspecting yellow sticky panel traps.

The first ACP in Santa Barbara County was found in Santa Maria in November of 2012. Since then, ACP has been found in the cities of Santa Barbara and Goleta. None of the ACP detected in the county so far have been carrying the disease. Due to those detections of ACP in several areas of the county, the entire County of Santa Barbara is now under ACP quarantine.

After public notice, treatments of citrus trees were carried out by the state in Santa Maria and Goleta. The detections of ACP in the City of Santa Barbara are too far from commercial citrus to warrant treatments. The overall goal of the program is to suppress the ACP population as long as possible, to buy researchers time to develop better methods of dealing with a disease such as effective biocontrol of ACP, disease resistant citrus strains or even a cure for the disease.

Since the treatments only one additional ACP has been found in Santa Maria. And just so you know, there are about 1400 acres of citrus in Santa Barbara County with a production value of $10.4 million and the value of the citrus industry in California is $1.8 billion. Soil fumigants are gases that are injected into unplanted ground that is then covered with a tarp for several days After a minimum of five days, the tarps are either removed or cut and the field is planted.

Since the fumigants are gases there is no residual fumigant after the tarps are removed. Soil fumigates used in Santa Barbara County include methyl bromide, 1,3-D, chloropicrin and metham sodium. Soil fumigation is a critical component of commercial strawberry production. It is the most effective way of controlling weeds, insects and soil pathogens. It is important to understand that soil fumigations take place before the plants are even put in the ground so there's no chance of any residue on the fruit.

In fields that are not fumigated there would be a buildup of weeds and soil diseases that would quickly render the field unsuitable for commercial berry production. In fact oftentimes Treated fields are rotated from strawberry production one year to vegetable production the following year. So vegetable growers can also take advantage of the reduced weed and disease load in the soil.

Last year, about 8400 acres were fumigated in Santa Barbara County leading to a record strawberry production of $441 million gross value in 2012. Strawberries are the number one crop in Santa Barbara County, in terms of dollar value. Regulations for the use of soil fumigants come from three sources. The federal EPA is responsible for approving the fumigant and developing guidelines for its use that appear on the label.

The state agency reviews the label and determines if any additional safeguards are warranted. Although we participate in that process, additional restrictions put in place by the state must be followed. Final review comes at the county level after discussions with industry groups and adjoining counties. We are mandated by law to consider local factors and if necessary add permit conditions for specific applications.

Most of our permit conditions simply provide clarification of the state and federal restrictions to make it easier for the fumigation companies to be in compliance. Occasionally, we add a restriction that we believe is necessary to assure the application goes without incident. We then issue the permit and monitor the applications. Our goal is to provide maximum safety and protection for field workers, nearby residents, and the environment While allowing the applications to take place without unnecessary regulatory intervention.

About 500 soil fumigant applications took place in 2012, with the vast majority occurring without incident. Our department takes enforcement action including monetary fines on all violations involving fumigants. Due to impacts to the ozone layer, the use of some of these materials is being phased out. Researchers around the world are looking for viable alternatives to soil fumigants currently registered for use and some of that research is actually taking place here in Santa Barbara County by the California Strawberry Commission and UC Cooperative Extension.

As we mentioned during the budget hearings, pesticide issues continue to become more and more complex. But even more daunting is the increasing threat we face from exotic and invasive plant pests and diseases. A reduction in trade barriers is great for consumers and the economy but the increase in the distribution of foreign goods comes at a cost. Pests detrimental to agriculture and the environment are introduced At an alarmingly increasing rate.

Some examples of these pests are light brown apple moth, which has a very large host list including grapes, the weeds are Rendo and Japanese daughter, both of which overrun native vegetation and destroy habitat. And the stinging nettle caterpillar, a pest from Southeast Asia that has become established in Hawaii and is actually been intercepted by our inspectors on plant material from Hawaii going to a local address. Touching this caterpillar causes intense burning pain and is an unwelcome addition to any landscape.

It'll be an ongoing challenge for the Agricultural Commissioner's Office to detect, identify, and eradicate or suppress these detrimental pests. This concludes my update, and I'd be happy to answer any questions.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed52:50 · ≈ 9:52 AM

Supervisor Farr?

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction52:52 · ≈ 9:52 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for that presentation. I hope Supervisor Adam doesn't think I'm too naive here but I want to ask a couple of questions about starting with the soil fumigants. I'm assuming that when that application is put on it kills everything? It's a non-specific poison?

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated53:14 · ≈ 9:53 AM

Chair, Supervisor yes that's correct.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction53:16 · ≈ 9:53 AM

Okay and then also when you talked about the treatment for the Asian psyllid perhaps carrying being the host for that other disease HLB When you talked about treatment in Santa Maria and in Goleta did that treatment also then involve something that was non-specific and killed all the bugs of all types?

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated53:40 · ≈ 9:53 AM

With permission from the chair, I'd like to introduce David Pagos from the California Department of Food and Agriculture. It is their program and he came down from Sacramento today to answer questions specifically about the program.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction53:55 · ≈ 9:53 AM

That would be great. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed53:57 · ≈ 9:53 AM

Welcome.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed54:00 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Hello, David Pagos with the California Department of Food and Agriculture. Thank you for your time today. We use two chemicals, imidacloprine and silute citruflin, and they both target the immature stage of the Asian citrus psyllid. They may have other effects on them but we target the effects to make sure that we target the Asian citrus psyllid so if there's bloom we wouldn't treat it. If there's bloom out there or if there's other pollinators in the area we're conscious of those efforts as well.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction54:29 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Okay, and actually that was kind of where I was leading. You know we on the board get emails of all types from various people and I think we all had one. I had one recently about a big die-off of bees in Oregon which is an issue that we hear about from time to time with you know colony collapse so these are very serious pest issues and I'm not questioning the need for for the applications But I'm just wondering in the bigger picture what you are seeing at the state level as far as any connection or causality between the use of these kinds of treatments and other kinds of treatments with the impact on other insect life, particularly the bees.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed55:16 · ≈ 9:55 AM

Yes, there are some non-target pests that do get targeted when we do the applications. However, we try to make sure that we're targeting just Asian citrus psyllid populations and that's based on our trapping data so that we know exactly where the Asian citrus psyllids is. So we zero in on those properties and try not to expand it past that. And then we try to mitigate any other secondary effects of any of the chemicals that we utilize.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction55:40 · ≈ 9:55 AM

Okay, because there was I think concern here locally in Goleta perhaps supervisor Wolf can Can speak to that about some of the people that are involved with beekeeping

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed55:49 · ≈ 9:55 AM

sure and just real real briefly We use a foliar treatment and then a systemic that goes into the soil. So the foliar treatment we utilize if there's Bloom on the trees to minimize the impacts on any pollinators And then for the imidacloprid that gets soaked into the into the soil where our staff is they're applying the chemicals and then we Drinking with soil with water to make sure it gets penetrated into the soil prior to leaving. So hopefully that mitigates what we do know that mitigates contact with bees or pollinators as well. It's another step to try to protect them pollinators.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction56:23 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Okay, thank you. Thank you Mr Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed56:28 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Is that material non-specific as soon as you put it on? I don't know those materials, so you're going to have to help me. I'm a farmer and I do know something about some materials but I don' recognize those.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed56:42 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Perhaps you guys can help me on the chemical basis a little bit more.

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated56:49 · ≈ 9:56 AM

The cyfluthrin is a pyrethroid. So once it's absorbed into the plant, then anything that eats the plant would be affected by it so it's not specific to ACP, but it would be specific to leaf eating insects. Things that suck the juices out of the plant like aphids,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed57:20 · ≈ 9:57 AM

thrips. It's not transferred to

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated57:21 · ≈ 9:57 AM

nectar? There is unclear data about whether it is or not.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed57:32 · ≈ 9:57 AM

And on that point, Supervisor, we work with the Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment out of the California EPA who does the toxicology assessments. And they found that it was minimal through the pollen. Minimal through pollen? Yeah, you had asked if the chemicals get into the pollen and- Well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed57:48 · ≈ 9:57 AM

I asked specifically about nectar actually.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed57:50 · ≈ 9:57 AM

Oh nectar, okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed57:51 · ≈ 9:57 AM

And what's the answer?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed57:53 · ≈ 9:57 AM

I'm not a scientist, but I'm sorry that I didn't bring in the WIHA specialists with us. But they looked at the data and said it was minimal effects. And I don't want to speak for them, but that was the information we received.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed58:04 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Well can you give me some actual information please? Because I'd like to know that if that's what's going on, I'd like to know it. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed58:14 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Okay, thank you very much for being here today. I think we have some public speakers on this item. Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed58:21 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Chairman Labanino, members of the board, we have four speakers on this item. We're going to start in Santa Maria with Andy Caldwell and come back to Santa Barbara for Todd Bebb.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed58:36 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Chairman Labanino, members of the board, I'm Andy Caldwell representing Colab. First off, we think that Mr. Tingos did a great job on his staff report but as you know we didn't have a staff report as far as I could find associated with this presentation. We just had slides unless we're missing something in the record. We would like to have more information on the scanner program Again, this is one of those ones where what we got is a few bullet points and a percentage. We'd like to see some actual numbers how many facilities were inspected? How many were under or how many were over? He mentioned that there were two businesses that got fined. We'd like to know what the threshold is for actually finding a business and actually we'd like to know who got fined.

I think the public should know if there's somebody out there gouging We think that the public has a right to know. With regard to the rest of the presentation, we think the Ag Commissioner's Office is one of these departments that's underfunded Because if we look at the statistics, for instance coming out of Florida that either diseases or pests wiped out $3.5 billion of their economy and we are so dependent upon agriculture here. We think that we should have more people out there helping protect our ag resources, ag jobs and ag economy. So this is one department where we feel that there's so much at stake, there's so much at risk.

That they should get additional funding and additional staff. I actually had encouraged the Ag Commissioner a couple of times over the last year after she had reported to the AAC about these diseases that why isn't the board apprised of this? We think you need to hear from the Ag Commissioner on a regular basis. And secondly, we hope that you would be able to allay the fears and suspicions especially of urbanites with regard to the chemicals and pesticides that are used because their trees in their backyard will be wiped out as well. It's not just for commercial ag. There's a lot of people have fruits and vegetables in their yards and they too are susceptible to this disease and damages and destruction.

It's our food supply and we think it needs to be protected. And secondly, Mother Nature is not benign. As you know I used to work for Union Sugar way back, I think it was in the 1920s or around then they had to shut down production because of nematodes on in the Santa Maria Valley and elsewhere. So this is a historic problem. We're grateful for the tools we have and for the people serving us. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:01:39 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Thank you, Mr. Caldwell. That does raise a question that I had also. Are these fines, are those, is that public record?

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated1:01:49 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Chair Lavinia, yes it is. Once the fine is either paid or it has gone to hearing and there's been a decision then it is public

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:01:57 · ≈ 10:01 AM

record. Would you be able to make that available to us In the near future. Thank you very much. Next speaker. I

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:02:10 · ≈ 10:02 AM

was just going to ask you if you follow up on those things, do you go back to those places that have problems and do another inspection at a different time?

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated1:02:24 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Chair and Supervisor, once we have identified a problem in a specific business we work with them to correct it but they are on our radar and we do follow up on those.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:02:35 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Yeah because I hate to have somebody get publicly blackballed because there was a mistake in a entry which is a lot of times what you're looking for right?

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated1:02:48 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Yes, and we also get information from other counties about problems that they're having. So we can follow up here because a lot of these are large chains and their pricing systems are national rather than local so someone in another county is having a problem or identifies a problem then chances are we've got the same problem here so we follow up on those too but We're you know, our our goal is compliance and we're there to identify if there are problems and then address them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:03:20 · ≈ 10:03 AM

Okay. Thank

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated1:03:21 · ≈ 10:03 AM

you. That

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:03:21 · ≈ 10:03 AM

raises a question now is I mean, I'm sure it's not the first time you go in and somebody has got a price wrong that we find somebody. Is there a process? I hope that we go back I mean, how do you reach the threshold of receiving

GuestGuy TingosAgricultural CommissionerProposedself-stated1:03:35 · ≈ 10:03 AM

a fine? Chair Lavagnino we take a look at each occurrence separately and make a determination. There are a number of factors that we take into account some are the size of the error The number of items that may be associated with the pricing error, the history that we have with them. With our new deputy sealer we've implemented these office hearings where first time offenders especially small businesses will bring them in for an office hearing and talk to them about the problem. Educate them. Some of them don't even know about things like tear, where you can't charge for the weight of the container. You have to deduct that.

Some new businesses and small businesses don't even know that. So we do a lot of education with them. We would do that well before we consider fines. Thank you very much. Mr. Allen?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:04:36 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Our next speaker is Todd Webb to be followed by Mark Shatillo.

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CommentMichael YoungdahlProposed · by introduction1:04:51 · ≈ 10:04 AM

I'm here on behalf of the Santa Barbara Beekeepers Association and to us it's more than just about the honey. It's about the pollinators, all of the pollinators which the honey bees are included in And we just want to make sure that you're all aware of the plight of the bee. As recently as this morning, I received an email back from Victoria Hornbaker with CDFA and they are now actually looking at the works that we are doing in regards to alternative treatments for specifically the Asian citrus psyllid right now. But also creating community awareness about alternatives to some of the pesticides that we can just go in and buy at our home depots, at our orchard supply hardwares And just trying to raise some consciousness in the local community about alternatives to some of these pesticides that are being commonly used.

And I appreciate your attention to this matter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:06:03 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Thank you. That honey is not over $25, is it? OK, very good. Supervisor Adam? I just want to let you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:06:11 · ≈ 10:06 AM

after the laughter subsides, I just want to let you know that when I was a teenager, I had 20 hives of bees. So I know a little bit about 20. It's kind of a big hobby. Cool.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:06:26 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Mr. Shatiller, what'd you bring us? He took the honey. That's our honey.

PresenterMark ChitilloSanta Barbara Beekeepers Association as well as Fairview Gardens and I just tookProposedself-stated1:06:38 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Good morning Mr. Chair members of the board I'm Mark Chitillo and I'm here on behalf of the Santa Barbara Beekeepers Association as well as Fairview Gardens and I just took the honey out of the bag so you could see it and hopefully you take some home its organic honey that was grown here in Santa Barbara County produced here. I want to thank Supervisor Adam and Lavagnino for giving us this opportunity to raise some of these issues.

I'm going to focus on the issues of concern to the beekeeping community As well as the organic farming community. But I agree that this is a very important agency and they do a number of matters that many of us may not be actively involved with but certainly affect our lives The quality of our community and we appreciate their work. The importance of bees and pollinators can't be understated, estimated that 30% of our food supply is produced as a direct result of bees and other pollinators.

And it was Albert Einstein that noted that opined that if we lost all of our bees Humans would probably follow within four years. And as we've seen the quality of pollinator health recently with colony collapse in recent years, is an increasingly troubling problem. A common theme to those colony collapses has been the presence of pesticides in those colonies, in the bees themselves and unfortunately in the honey as in addition.

And there's a particular class of pesticides, poisons, the neonicotinoids that have been identified as being particularly toxic to bees They are commonly used in a number of different applications and were identified as the source of the Oregon bee kill, the largest individual bee kill on record where at least 25,000 bees two weeks ago were killed in a target parking lot. The neonicotinoids have been banned in the European Union because of their impacts to bees.

And as we have experienced in working with the Goleta Episode where the ACP was targeted and the chemicals were applied. We found that the labels that define when it's appropriate to apply these materials are inadequate to ensure protection for bees. So there are efforts afoot on the national and state level to redefine what is appropriate use in terms of these labeling instructions, but we wanted to bring this information and this fact up to you and let you know that the beekeeping community and the organic growers are working to try and develop alternatives.

And time doesn't allow a full explanation, but I did distribute with my speaker slip a copy of our alternative treatment program where we are trying to work with the CDFA to develop non-chemical alternatives to be implemented as programs to treat in advance the potential infestation of the ACP so that we can stay ahead Of this problem and we wanted to acknowledge and appreciate the efforts of the Ag Commissioner's office And their staff whom we've been working with to try and address this problem. Thank you, Mr. Thanks for the hearing and we appreciate Your attention to the issue and hope that you enjoy the honey. All

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:04 · ≈ 10:10 AM

right Supervisor Wolf

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:10:06 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Thank You mr. Chair, I have a few comments First of all, I want to thank both you and Supervisor Adam for bringing this forward. I think this is Timely after our budget discussion and I'm as I've said before you know that we do need to We do need to financially support this department and We did to some degree by adding a biologist. I think you folks do a lot with a little, and your staff is very impressive.

I am very pleased to see the scanner program take off as I've said at the very beginning this is one of our consumer protection agencies you might say and Ms. Fisher I just want to applaud you personally because when you came on board, I think you educated our entire board about the ability for us to make these enforcement cases. And I appreciate the way that your staff is approaching this with our business community, not just the fines and the hammer approach but the education which is always so important.

Regarding the issues that we've seen in Goleta, I know that one of our speakers was asking about what have we done. What did we do in Goleta to allay fears in the community? And we did have Mr. Pagos come. He came to Santa Barbara with his staff Ms. Fisher, you and your staff put on a community event in Goleta. There was a lot of communication with the city of Goleta and certainly my office fielded a lot of phone calls and meetings and Mr. Chatillo, Mr. Babb I appreciate your advocacy and also education on this issue I'm very pleased to see that you have, it appears to have made some inroads with CDFA in your alternative approach. And I think that was one of the things we had talked about was trying to make, to have a collaborative approach where we could work together to look at alternatives and I'm glad to see and I'm hopeful That we will see alternatives.

So anyway, as you went through the presentation it appears as if Goleta has not seen a resurgence of this pest. Is that correct? I think you said there was one

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:12:53 · ≈ 10:12 AM

in Santa Maria though. Chair, Supervisor, that is correct. Ever since the treatments they have not detected any additional ECP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:13:00 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:13:01 · ≈ 10:13 AM

and then thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:13:02 · ≈ 10:13 AM

you for that. And then Mr. Chitillo You know I know I'm not gonna even pronounce this correctly He said neo nicotinates as one of the strong chemicals that had an impact on the bee colony in Oregon. And that's outlawed and it's outlawed in other countries. Do we use that here? Did we use that?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:13:32 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Chair supervisor one of them the material that was used in Goleta is a medical print which is identified as being a neonicotinoid. It is it was applied as a soil drench at the base of the tree and is absorbed by the roots and translocated throughout the tree and contained within the tree and it targets piercing like insects. That is the way that the ACP feeds on the tree

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:14:00 · ≈ 10:14 AM

OK Well, I really then appreciate the discussion with CDFA in looking at alternatives. And I do recall Ms. Fisher that one of the roles that our county played was in the monitoring of the application. And in that monitoring, did you notice or did you see any violations of the application of that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:14:25 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Chair, Supervisor, we monitored all applications throughout the county and no, we did not. Okay. All right. Thank you Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:14:34 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Thank you. We still have one speaker but Supervisor Adam. That's okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:14:38 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Just on the nicotinoids And my understanding is that, and I've been out of it for a little while now. But my understanding is that those are just super safe for humans, pets, all the other stuff that you're not trying to kill. So piercing sucking insects are the ones that feed on the target plants or the ones that are in real trouble and all the rest of us are safe.

And so that's why they're real popular in the United States because everybody is so worried about all the other stuff. You know, you can use other stuff that... Everything is a trade-off in pest control and so you can take some higher risks with other organisms or you can take lower risks and that's why they chose that. Is that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:15:34 · ≈ 10:15 AM

Sure, Supervisor. That is correct. The CDFA relies upon a technical advisory committee of scientists and researchers that advise CDFA as far as the proper material to use for particular pests. And there's a lot of checks and balances with their decision-making process. And one of them, of course, is its effectiveness and also concerns about impacts to non targets in the environment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:15:59 · ≈ 10:15 AM

Very good. Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:16:01 · ≈ 10:16 AM

Our final speaker is Trish Stone Damon.

CommentTrish Stone-DamonProposedself-stated1:16:11 · ≈ 10:16 AM

Good morning.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:12 · ≈ 10:16 AM

Morning.

CommentTrish Stone-DamonProposedself-stated1:16:15 · ≈ 10:16 AM

My name is Trish Stone-Damon. I am a resident of Santa Barbara County, as are my kids and my husband. We work in the county and my kids go to school in the county. I'm a member of the Santa Barbara County Green Landscaping Consortium. I am the program manager for the School Gardens Program and I'm associated with the Santa Barbara Beekeepers Association. Although Supervisor Carbajal is not here, I'd like to thank Supervisor Carbajal for having the vision to convene the Green Landscaping Consortium some five years ago.

The consortium was designed to focus on the collective use of toxic pesticides and other toxic landscaping materials in homes, businesses and around the county. As stated in the brochure and on the website for the consortium we focused on alternatives safe alternatives for our children other plants and animals and the environment as a whole. As it relates to the Asian citrus psyllid And the state's eradication program. I strongly urge all of you to do whatever you can within your power to promote the use of safe alternatives and discourage the use of any toxic pesticides for those of you that viewed my email last night and I apologize for sending it so late. You saw this shocking result of colony collapse disorder as it relates to your food choices.

And as a consortium promotes on the Web site we do have choices I ask you to please support those safe alternatives. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:17:48 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Thank you very much. Mr. Allen, is that our last speaker?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:17:51 · ≈ 10:17 AM

That was our final speaker. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:17:53 · ≈ 10:17 AM

We have a motion to receive and file. Motion to receive and file. Motion's made, I'll second the motion. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. I guess item two we've already decided to move on. Thank you very much Miss Fisher and thank you very much staff for this great presentation. Item two has been dealt with so we're going to

move on to item three which is Mr. Allen

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:18:26 · ≈ 10:18 AM

Chairman Labunino, members of the board. Item three is from community services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Empower SBC continuation funding.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:18:37 · ≈ 10:18 AM

All right we've got presentation Mr. Parker, Carrie Behrman and Angie Hacker and talking power. Good morning Mr. Parker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:18:45 · ≈ 10:18 AM

Thank you chair and members of the board this morning I'd like to introduce to you Angie Hacker she's our manager for the Empower program and will be presenting this presentation for your boards review great

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:18:56 · ≈ 10:18 AM

Thank you. Good morning Chair, members of the board. We're here today to report on Empower's progress during its initial startup phase and discuss opportunities to build upon early success in the next phase of the program. Last September, the board directed staff to pursue funding to continue the program and expand to the tri-county. Since then, the county was fortunate to identify 5.2 million in two funding contracts from two state agencies, the California Energy Commission and the Public Utilities Commission.

These funding awards are the only known sources to viably continue a broad array of Empower services past our August 2013 grant expiration date. The key action we ask you to consider today is to accept the funding contracts attached to the board letter, to implement the next phase of the program which I will describe briefly. First, I'd like to provide a brief background on Empower.

Empower was first conceptualized in 2009 as a voluntary way to help property owners countywide transform their existing inefficient buildings. We do this by helping them overcome key obstacles to making energy improvements such as affordability or confusion as to how to get started. In the process, the county aimed to support job creation in the contracting trades which at the time was struggling with 40% underemployment and to lower energy consumption.

Empower was designed to achieve these goals by developing and promoting a variety of market solutions that help grow a local building performance market. The county was fortunate to invest federal dollars leveraged with private resources to build a lasting and robust program infrastructure. We think of Empower as a bridge that takes homeowners from an inefficient home to an efficient home.

Over time, we've learned that meeting the community's needs in this area would entail a comprehensive set of services which we think of as six lanes of service including workforce training, customer service, outreach and expert energy advising, rebates and our hallmark product, our financing product which was redesigned as a public-private partnership with Coastal Hills Federal Credit Union out of Vandenberg Village.

Since our launch in late 2011, program startup activities have produced significant headway towards our goals. We have created widespread community and homeowner awareness. Our extensive outreach and education efforts including over 60 events, over 40 media stories have reached thousands throughout the community. As a result roughly 3,000 interested individuals have reached out to begin engaging with program services.

We know that homes are becoming more efficient as a result. We've generated over 350 leads for participating contractors, and we know that home energy work is being done in over 200 homes throughout the county. As a result, we have seen increased economic activity in this market. The projects being completed have generated approximately 1.7 million in project activity to date which equates to roughly 3.4 million in economic multipliers according to in-plan economic projection software analysis.

Last but not least, we've generated lasting impacts for our contracting market. Empower has trained over 400 attendees from the local building trades resulting in a 700% increase in the number of building performance certifications in the county. In addition, we have more than 20 participating contractors enrolled with the program who continue to receive ongoing mentorship and support.

Empower contractors also report using efficiency principles in new construction and remodels. As we look to the future, perhaps the greatest outcome is that the state has recognized the county's innovative program design and is eager to help us continue operations. In fact, funding opportunities are growing for financing in regional energy programs and because the county took the lead, we now have an advantage in this area.

As mentioned, the county has been offered funds that allow us to continue our program. Funds are contingent on operating a tri-county program in Ventura and Slope counties and offering financing along with other Empower services. Both counties have provided letters of support and are eager to welcome and power into their communities. In short, the implementation plan is to operate virtually the same program and work to expand the boundary to include San Luis Obispo and Ventura Counties.

Operating throughout the tri-county provides an opportunity to serve 315,000 single family homes, quadruple the number in Santa Barbara County alone. The table on the right shows the funding awarded by each agency, which is budgeted to support tri-county program development and delivery for approximately two years. Like any external funding awards, the county is responsible for complying with all terms and conditions in both funding agreements to ensure proper and eligible transfers and uses of funds as well as any violations, disallowances or damages caused by the county, its vendors or subrecipients.

There are several advantages for the county in implementing a tri-county program. We believe it will allow us to attract greater participation from customers, contractors and homeowners meaning more local work. The tri-county operation would be a natural expansion since we already share our workforce media market and lenders throughout the tri-county. Offering one Empower program in the region will allow for consistent customer processes and will reduce confusion in the community.

In addition, a regional program may better position the program for future funding opportunities. In order to implement the next phase of the program, next steps include continuing services here in Santa Barbara County beyond our current grant deadline in August. We will work on bringing agreements back to the board with both of the counties as well as our lenders for board consideration.

We will also review and refine our program processes for tri-county implementation, and ensure all staff are properly trained. Further details were provided in the staff report along with recommended actions A through E. And that concludes my presentation, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:24:57 · ≈ 10:24 AM

Thank you very much. Any questions of the board? Before we go to public comment,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:25:03 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Mr. Adam. Are we going to get any credit for greenhouse gas savings in the ECAP as a result of this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:25:14 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Chair and Supervisor Adam I can't speak to the cap necessarily but I am very happy to help provide data related to how our energy savings could translate to GHG emission savings

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:25:26 · ≈ 10:25 AM

That'd be great. And then on the monitoring of these grants, how long are we on the hook for that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:25:36 · ≈ 10:25 AM

So our grant with the PUC will last through December 31st 2014. Our grant with the CEC will last through March 31st 2017. I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:25:49 · ≈ 10:25 AM

actually talking about the ones where you are giving people money.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:25:55 · ≈ 10:25 AM

On

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:25:56 · ≈ 10:25 AM

the other end of the transaction, not when it comes into us but when we put it out to somebody else.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:26:03 · ≈ 10:26 AM

So the longer obligation to monitor would be with the loan loss reserve which we do work with the lenders and we would continue to monitor that program throughout the remainder of the life of the loans.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:26:15 · ≈ 10:26 AM

And what's the average life for the loans?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:26:18 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Our loans are either five years or 15 years

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:26:22 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Or 50 5 0

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:26:23 · ≈ 10:26 AM

1 5.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:26:25 · ≈ 10:26 AM

15 OK good OK thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:26:29 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:26:31 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Ms. Hacker, every time you come before us I always worry that the program's going to end and then when you come it grows. And I've had an opportunity to talk to supervisors in both San Luis Obispo and Ventura, and I know from talking to them that they are thrilled that we're able to expand our program. We had a lot of hiccups at the beginning And I remember, you know the work that all of you did in getting all of our eight cities on board so that we could have empowered just within our county.

And now the opportunity to expand that program is, it just makes so much more sense. That we can do this on a regional level. As people always say air pollution and GHG emissions knows no boundaries and as much as we can spread this program the better off we will be. I just know from the presentations that you and your staff have made in my district have been very well received Contractors have talked to me about the impact of those meetings because they have received phone calls and have followed up with work. And I'm not even sure how everything is reflected in the numbers that you're showing here, but certainly you've shown the numbers and I've heard anecdotally of people who cannot afford to do a lot of these energy-saving measures are able to do it through these low cost loans and through our partners And it looks like now we have a new financing partner in Vandenberg.

Did I hear you say that? I always thought we had two, now do we have three or is it the same two?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:28:18 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Supervisor Wolfe, it's the same. Coast Hills Federal Credit Union is our key agreement partner and they have sub-agreements with Ventura County Credit Union so it's the same two. Same

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:28:29 · ≈ 10:28 AM

two, okay. Anyway congratulations, I fully support this and onward. This is terrific.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:38 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Thank you very much. Supervisor Farr?

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction1:28:41 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well I'd like to echo those comments. This has just been an incredible program. The board has been so happy to support it and I call it the triple winner. We're saving people money, we're saving energy, and we're creating jobs and it really has been a boon for the construction industry at a time when The economy was not kind to them, and has kept many of them in business. And of course now our business is even picking up.

So as Supervisor Wolf said I've had the honor of attending some of the community events that have been put on. Very well attended people are really interested and I think that shows in the response that we've had and the response that the contractors have had. I want to give you, Ms. Hacker, a lot of credit. You have been phenomenal and you've been with this program from the very beginning and I think a lot of credit for its success goes to you and your dedication. And now the fact that the program has done so well and been so exemplary that people are coming to us and wanting to give us over $5 million to continue it. So it's very exciting and I agree onward and upward.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:29:59 · ≈ 10:29 AM

Thank you Supervisor Farr. I didn't think we were going to get a win-win today with Supervisor Carbajal gone, but he would be very happy to know that we had a triple win. A triple win! I have to echo everything that has been said and on the contracting side of it, I did hear from a contractor who told me a third of his business during this down time came from this program. It basically kept some of his employees working so I think the program came along at the perfect time Now we see throughout the county, we're starting to see a lot more construction. A lot of houses changing hands and I think people are going to be looking at this program even more with trying to do upgrades in those things to make their houses more appealing to the next buyer so outstanding.

And Mr. Allen, I think we have a few speakers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:30:46 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Chairman Levinino, we have two requests to speak. Sean Jacobson to be followed by Megan Birney.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:30:57 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Good morning, Chair and Supervisors. Empower? So I'd like to just echo the support as a member of the contractor community. I represent Allen Associates and I'm the Division Manager for Building Performance Specialists. And we focus on these energy efficiency improvements for homeowners as well as businesses. We've been a member of the Empower program since the beginning and I was part of an original meeting back in 2009 as it got underway And I understand what Angie's gone through and the team to make this program a success. And it's just absolutely tremendous, thank you. I just wanted to make a statement regarding from the contractor community on how this has impacted us and also why it's so important. So as a community we're under tremendous stress for our energy grid currently.

We have San Onofre is done We have electric vehicles increasing which increases demand and more impact to the grid itself. And we have increasing issues with the energy resources from fossil fuels including resource degradation environmental community health issues and hazards as well as climate change so as a community to be more resilient and to make a stand It's extremely reassuring that you are in so much support of a program that is able to break through the barriers of adoption to essentially fix houses that were built in inefficient old ways, that can easily be transformed into being healthy efficient and net zero homes in many cases. Meaning they produce as much power as they consume.

There's new codes coming down such as CalGreen and Title 24 requirements that are much more stringent that as a contractor we've been trying to stay ahead of the curve with. And though we have the resources as a company to implement these measures on all of our construction projects, most contractors do not. So I wanted to mention that EmpowerSBC does provide us quite a bit of support but I think the value to the remaining contractor community in Santa Barbara County is just incredibly valuable and should be mentioned as well that that support will allow those contractors to reach these goals of energy efficiency.

We're focusing as a division on the existing homes. They need upgraded all of these homes have old unsafe inefficient furnaces insulation lighting pool pumps it's an easy fix so I'd like to just again say thank you to the empower program to help the community save energy save money it increases economic vitality that money goes back into the community not paying utility and it really does represent the spirit of innovation And solutions-oriented government action that I think we should all model for future implementation of programs. Thank you.

Thank you for being here today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:33:56 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Megan Birney, she's our final speaker.

PresenterMegan BurneyCommunity Environmental Council and really here today to just support Empower anProposedself-stated1:34:01 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Good morning, Chair, Supervisors. My name's Megan Burney. I'm with the Community Environmental Council and really here today to just support Empower and their fantastic team. We have also been involved with this from the beginning and seeing all of the people in educational workshops. And as many homeowners go through the program 10 times as many go to the workshops including workshops that we host. And Angie and Ashley are nice enough to come and talk about energy efficiency and energy upgrades We're really trying to move our community away from a dependence on fossil fuels for the greenhouse gas emission savings, for the monetary savings. But also for the health comfort and safety of our homeowners and that's the key tool that Empower provides is really allows people to take advantage of these benefits and see them happen in their homes.

And again anecdotally we hear so many success stories about people who've gone through the program and are enjoying it Decreased asthma, increased comfort. I love the picture of the woman in the beanie in bed. I've been that person before and this program is fantastic. We also work in the Tri-County, San Luis Obispo and Ventura and have heard a demand for this program in those regions so we're excited about the expansion We'd also like to encourage the Board of Supervisors to consider expansion into the commercial business sector. 80% of businesses are not owner-occupied, so we have some real interesting ways that we could deal with getting more energy efficiency into our commercial sector and I think Empower could be a tool there. So we look forward in the next year to looking at those options as another form of expansion.

But in general, again just want to thank Angie and Ashley and the entire staff for all the work they do. And for your support. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:35:45 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Very good. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:35:48 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair. I want to thank you too Megan. For those of you... Well it's kind of interesting to see all of you here. I can't remember your name from Allen and Associates, but back in 1990 when our house burned down in the Painted Cave Fire we had Allen and Associates rebuild our house. But you probably weren't even born back then. I think what you do is a very good representation of this amazing group of people that we have in our community. We've got some very skilled laborers and contractors, and so thank you for being here.

And when we rebuilt our home, we didn't put solar on our roof. We put solar in our concrete which actually didn't prove to be as efficient as we had hoped And then CEC with Megan's leadership had come to the community with Solarize Santa Barbara. And what that did was provide homeowners an opportunity as another incentive, it was mainly focused on solar and so we did invest with that program. We have solar panels on our home And Megan has seen my chart a number of times when you look at our utility bill, which is now in the zero range. It's pretty incredible the fact that we don't pay anything.

And on our bills, and I wish the woman from Southern California Edison was here to hear this. Because one of the incentives that we used aside from Solarize Santa Barbara was the incentives from Southern California Edison. So really as a team and locally what's happening Obviously within power is giving consumers an opportunity to invest in some of these products. And we made that investment with the understanding that it might be paid off in 10 years, and our energy savings have been so much better that it looks like we're going to be paying it off In maybe six or seven years, and that doesn't include the resale value. And I mean if you're going to look at it financially it was a very good investment not to mention the fact Maybe soon, I'll be able to convince my husband to get an electric car.

But that's going to be maybe soon. But anyway, I just want to thank all of you for being here. You're a tremendous team. Do we have anyone from the financing? The unions? Coast Hills. Not today. OK. Well just express, I think I speak for the board in thanking them too. And I'll move the item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:38:44 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Okay, motion's been made? Seconded by Supervisor Farr. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes unanimously. I think we're going to take a 10-minute break and we will come back and tick up Item Number 4 at that time. ♪

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:39:47 · ≈ 10:39 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:04 · ≈ 10:52 AM

All right, we're going to start. This is never good. All right, we are back and rolling. So we're going to

move on to item four. Mr. Allen can you please read it in?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:52:24 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Chairman Lavagnino, members of the board. Item four is from Alcohol, Drug and Mental Health Services. It's a hearing to receive and file the report on Affordable Care Act implementation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:32 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Okay, and I see Dr. Wada, Mr. Nelson and Ms. Mosnicich. Are we ready to roll?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:52:37 · ≈ 10:52 AM

We are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:52:37 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Okay very good.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:52:40 · ≈ 10:52 AM

Yes, good morning Chairman Laboneno and members of the board. Today I'm joined by Dr. Takashi Wada our Director of Public Health and Alcohol Drug Mental Health Services as well as Daniel Nielsen our Director of Social Services to provide what is the first in a series of presentations to the Board on the Affordable Care Act Today we'll be providing an overview of this 1000 page long piece of legislation. And in addition, we'll be discussing the door to the program through eligibility and eligibility determination and enrollment as well as discuss the activities to date undertaken by the various departments. We'll also discuss the Affordable Care Act knowns And the multiple unknowns that still remain in regards to implementation within counties across California.

We'll then discuss a little bit about our next steps proposed, and then of course follow up with our recommendations. At this point I'd like to turn it over to Dr. Wada and he's going to begin the discussion of the actual components of the act.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:53:38 · ≈ 10:53 AM

Great, Chair Lavagnino, members of the board. Thank you for this opportunity to talk about the Affordable Care Act. So the Affordable Care Act was signed into law in March of 2010 by President Obama to address the problem of about 50 million individuals in the United States without healthcare insurance. And it does this in several ways, but primarily by creating a health coverage continuum with the goal of improving access and affordability. And so there are a number of different components. Part of it is expansion of Medicaid or here in California that's Medi-Cal And this is for the lowest income individuals. For the next group just above that, there's something called the Health Insurance Exchange Programs which we'll talk about in a little more detail later.

There are also additionally some targeted changes to policy and regulations for the insurance plans and it goes all the way up To Medicare now with Medicare it helps to address what has formerly known as was formally known as the donut hole and prescription drug coverage. So it provides seniors with some coverage for that but an important thing to note though is that if individuals already have private insurance primarily through their employer or if they have Medicare The Affordable Care Act really doesn't directly impact them. The expansions really are for people who are currently uninsured.

The federal government in years one through three will be providing 100% of financing, particularly for the Medi-Cal expansion and then that gradually phases down after three years to 95%, then 94%, then 93%. to 90% at year 2020 and then it stays at 90% federally funded. It requires US citizens and legal residents to have coverage or pay a penalty, so this is what's Commonly referred to as the insurance mandate which will start in January of 2014.

It establishes the health benefit exchanges, which are sort of a virtual marketplace and again I'll speak or we'll be speaking to that a little bit later. There are already some provisions in effect after 2010 so these are things like the public health prevention fund they eliminated lifetime caps on benefits Parents are allowed to keep their children on their plans until age 26.

Insurance companies are not able to deny for pre-existing conditions, prevention services are required to be free so there are a number of things that have already been in effect for some time. And again, the big part of it with the insurance mandate is effective January 1st of 2014. But all of this together requires a change in the way the county provides overall client services because particularly with our health and human service departments DSS public health and alcohol drug and mental health we certainly have a big role in the rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

Specific to mental health and substance abuse under the Affordable Care Act, the provisions addressing mental health and substance abuse needs are far reaching in attempts to provide services to individuals currently without any opportunity for care. In the past, the practice of inequality has kept individuals with untreated substance use disorders and mental health disorders from receiving critically important treatment services. And providing parity insurance plans have to cover treatment for substance abuse and mental health disorders in the same way that is equal to treatment coverage for other chronic health conditions like diabetes, asthma or hypertension. Improving coverage of mental health and substance use disorder services will help more people proactively get the care they need.

And offers the county the opportunity to provide such services, and also receive reimbursement for the provision of those services. Now this is really critical in addressing the overall healthcare needs of the duly diagnosed. And will assist in leveraging opportunities to also improve this population's physical health care. In addition, with the Medi-Cal expansion there is also substance abuse expanded coverage in California and this will be 100% federally funded at first and the state will also pick up a share of that going forward. And this expands coverage to include things like day treatment intensive outpatient coverage residential substance abuse group counseling and detoxification for withdrawal symptoms.

So in Santa Barbara County with the Affordable Care Act implementation we currently have approximately 67000 residents on medical and the expansion of medical is for individuals and families up to 138 percent of federal poverty level And we estimate that about 30 to 40,000 individuals are going to be eligible for this new Medi-Cal. And so primarily the gap in current Medi-Cal is single adults mostly males and so by expanding this Medi Cal category We'll be able to capture a lot of these currently uninsured individuals. So for example, a lot of the homeless individuals will likely fall into this category.

Individuals and families between 138-400% of federal poverty level will be eligible for subsidized products through the health insurance exchange program. So in California it's called Covered California. So a lot of this category, people for example who are working but may not receive benefits through their employer. They would fall into this category. So together again they form the basis of the continuum of health insurance coverage.

So again we estimate 30 to 40,000 new Medi-Cal eligible residents in the county. We estimate 45,000 may be eligible and going into the health insurance exchange programs which again Is essentially private insurance with subsidies. This will together decrease the number of uninsured from about 67,000 to 27,000. And so one of the questions that we get a lot is who are going to be these residually uninsured? Well it's people who would prefer to pay the penalty. The penalty is implemented through the tax system and in the first years that's fairly low I believe it's $95 in penalties. So there are still individuals who may prefer to pay the penalty than to pay for their own insurance, which could cost more. There are people who reside outside the tax system either because they just don't pay taxes or their income's too low for them to pay taxes.

There are some who are going to be eligible but not enrolled so of course there is a process and required documentation for enrollment. So there are people who may not keep up with that or may not have that upfront And there are also the undocumented. So the undocumented are not going to be eligible for any of the programs, either through the Medi-Cal expansion or the health insurance exchange programs.

So here in the county, we've implemented a project structure. So up at the top, we have the Santa Barbara County Affordable Care Act Executive Committee that's the CEO's office, Terry Mosnisch as well as myself representing public health and alcohol drug and mental health and Daniel Nielsen for Department of Social Services. And we broken that down into a number of different work groups. We have messaging outreach communication, we have eligibility enrollment, we have training, we had the financial analysis We have policies, we have network capacity and data and sharing systems. And so we have individuals throughout the organizations from our individual departments all working together on these different work groups and as well within each department we have a similar work group structure within the departments as well.

We also have a number of other county Departments that are participating, we have the fire department. Child support, we have first five, the sheriff's department. In fact probation will be hosting a workshop on affordable care act opportunities for public safety in the next month or two I believe. We also have a couple community partners like SenCal and the county Department of Education that are also participating on some of our work group activities because of the role they play in our healthcare system.

So some of the specific work group activities, we've been looking at application and enrollment of newly eligible Medi-Cal patients. Of course the provision of mental health services with parity to physical health services. We have education of staff, clients and stakeholders about the Affordable Care Act. We have to ensure that we have adequate providers to meet the increased demand and then we have to determine how we're going to handle the individuals who are still not covered.

So these are some of the primary work group activities. And now to speak in a little more detail about the eligibility enrollment issues I'm going to pass this over to Mr. Nielsen. Thank you.

CommentRondi GuthrieProposed · by introduction2:03:00 · ≈ 11:03 AM

The Department of Social Services will be responsible for determining eligibility for Medi-Cal applicants, which will include the newly eligible up to 138% of the federal poverty level. The state of California is in the process of establishing three call centers statewide to take calls from individuals and families looking for insurance coverage. Those callers will undergo an initial screening, and if it appears that the caller is eligible for Medi-Cal, the call will be transferred to the county.

We will be expected to answer that call within 30 seconds and then assist the caller in completing the Medi-Cal application in a one and done model where the caller will have their case open by the end of that call. In an attempt to help people promptly, calls from the Covered California Call Centers will be routed to the county next able to take the call so we will end up taking calls from other counties and they will end up taking calls from residents of our county once the Medi-Cal case is established If it was established by a worker in another county, it will be transferred to Santa Barbara County.

During open enrollment from October 1st 2013 to March 30th 2014 we will be required to maintain extended hours of 8am to 8pm Monday through Friday and also 8am-8pm on Saturday in order to take the calls transferred to us from the exchange. During non-open enrollment periods, the first of which will begin on April 1st 2014. The hours of engagement with the Covered California Exchange will be from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., Monday through Friday and 8 a m. to 5 p. m. on Saturdays.

It is one of the opportunities of this engagement with the exchange that we will be able to connect MediCal applicants with other programs such as CalFresh and CalWORKs if they are also eligible for those programs. The Department of Social Services is also one of the sites where people in the 138% to 400% of federal poverty level who are seeking subsidized insurance products can come in person for assistance in selecting that coverage.

At the current time, it is not clear what the state is planning on regarding reimbursement to the department for those activities and I will be bringing further information on that topic to you when I return to the board In a month or two to discuss the additional funds will be receiving for the medical expansion. On this chart. This is here to demonstrate on an individual up to a family of eight what the federal poverty guideline is.

At 100% of the federal poverty, 138% of federal poverty and 400%. So those up to 138% of the federal poverty level would be eligible for Medi-Cal. As soon as you go over that 138%, move up to the 400%, you're in the exchange purchasing an insurance product that's subsidized by the federal government. As an example for an individual of one that goes from 150 from $15,856 per year into the exchange.

And if they choose a silver plan from the exchange at that lowest level of that range, they would be paying at the age of 30, they'd be paying $43 a month for their part of the premium and the rest would be subsidized by the federal government when they got up to the maximum just below the $45,960, they would be paying $261 a month for their part of the premium.

Many departments, many parties will be involved in assisting county residents in applying for insurance coverage depending on what they qualify for. As I said earlier the Department of Social Services determines eligibility for Medi-Cal applicants both in the current program and in the newly expanded program for those up to 138% of the federal poverty level.

During the open enrollment period the exchange will also be establishing Medi-Cal cases If they are helping a family with mixed eligibility within the family where one or more family members is eligible for Medi-Cal and other family members are obtaining insurance coverage through the exchange. For those eligible for a subsidized insurance product through the Covered California Exchange, assistance can be received online or by phone from the exchange.

Also as I mentioned county residents can go in person to the Department of Social Services Or to the office of a community-based organization who has agreed to play the role of assisting applicants with reviewing their insurance choices and signing them up for the plan they select. The Department of Social Services is working closely with other county departments to ensure streamlined enrollment for customers whose medical care is currently being paid for with county funds, to include the medically indigent adult population.

The department is also planning a business process change as we anticipate extended hours of operation for some of our eligibility staff and the need for staff to begin assisting clients with selecting insurance products from the exchange. We are assessing the ability of our staff, technology and space to accommodate the increase in the numbers of clients to be served and the types of assistance they will be seeking.

The transition of healthy families into Medi-Cal continues to impact our operations as nearly 10,000 children were part of Healthy Families. The transition of these children into Medi-Cal is an important step in Affordable Care Act implementation. We will be assessing our existing systems as well as the new ones we create to achieve the horizontal integration of all the new clients we encounter to make sure that they are aware of and enrolled in other services they might be eligible for such as CalFresh and CalWORKS.

We will also be addressing needed referrals to other county departments and community based organizations in an effort to address the holistic needs of the clients we serve.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:09:07 · ≈ 11:09 AM

OK so again going back to how we project this will impact the county. We're looking at potentially 30 to 40,000 new Medi-Cal eligible residents in Santa Barbara County. And as we just heard of course Department of Social Services has a big responsibility in terms of eligibility and enrollment and with public health and alcohol drug and mental health where big providers of care to Medi-Cal patients and another several other departments are also impacted by Medi Cal so that will have a big impact on the county There's an estimated 50,000 or 45,000 to 50,000 who will be going into the health insurance exchange programs.

DSS will be helping with that. We don't anticipate that public health or alcohol, drug and mental health will be significant providers to individuals enrolled in the Health Insurance Exchange programs except in very specific targeted areas. But that will still have an impact on us and the overall system. And then the number of uninsured going down from 67,000 to 27,000 those Residually uninsured are still something that we have to work as a system together to make sure that their needs are still being addressed, as well.

So some of the county progress thus far, we've done surveys of WIC participants. WIC is our Women's Infant Children Nutritional Program. Even though a lot of children have health insurance, several of their parents or other family members may not so we've done outreach through WIC. We received a Blue Shield grant to learn from other counties as well as provide training to our staff and help with the development of policies and procedures We began planning for Medi-Cal applications to be completed online at the Public Health Department and submitted electronically to the Department of Social Services.

We've identified alcohol and drug mental health and public health department shared patients so that we're not doing redundant efforts of case management in trying to get them enrolled We've identified consumers with high utilization of services, so these are the uninsured indigent. And we really want to target them for early enrollment so we can start bringing in that reimbursement. So we've identified them We've been preparing written materials to educate staff and the public, and patients as well.

We've been exploring models to determine capacity needs. We've been conducting informational and educational sessions with our partners as well as the public. We have been pursuing certification as assister entities to help with the enrollment process We have enhanced SSI and SSDI outreach through Mental Health Services Act. We're assessing high need clientele to ensure enrollment, and we're developing a number of different internal protocols and policies to help us as we go forward with the Affordable Care Act implementation.

So there are still a number of knowns and unknowns that we have to work through over the next several months, and some of them may not actually be clear for a number of months or even years. The first one is overall system capacity. So with all these newly insured individuals in Medi-Cal or through the exchange programs, certain percentage of them are likely already in our systems, and some maybe outside either delaying care, foregoing their care.

At this point it's very hard for us to determine what that sort of pent up demand is going to be. You could have people who haven't seen a doctor ever or in 10 years and have a number of undiagnosed medical or mental health conditions, and they'll be coming into the system for the first time and really utilizing a lot of services. So it's difficult for us to gauge right now but we're looking at a number of models that other counties are also looking at to try to estimate that impact We also don't know what the private sector is going to do.

So again, our county services are really meant to fill in gaps but we don't know what the private sector is going to do in terms of Medi-Cal. Medi-Cal reimburses very low and even though those reimbursements are set to increase slightly with the Affordable Care Act, we don' know if the private sector's gonna want to see those Medi Cal patients and we already have a number of areas in the county Where there are very few private providers who will accept new Medi-Cal patients.

They may preferentially go after the health insurance exchange new enrollees, because that is essentially private insurance and so that would reimburse likely at a higher rate. And so depending on what happens there we'll need to adjust what we do within our own public systems to meet the demand either staff up or staff down depending on what we're seeing in the healthcare environment.

Even with that though, within both public health and ADMHS as providers of care we're looking at a number of measures to increase our efficiency and effectiveness. And so with public health we've of course implemented our electronic health record system to improve productivity. We're also looking at our patient-centered medical home models to again improve the quality of care.

And Alcohol, Drug and Mental Health as we presented just a couple weeks ago. We've done a system redesign initiative and we're starting that off really to make sure that all of our programs and services are operating at a high level. So with fiscal impacts, one of the biggest questions all along was or has been what will the state's reaction to all this be?

With all these newly uninsured there was always an assumption that the state would then look to take back a certain portion of realignment which is money that Allocates to counties to help cover the costs or support the cost of the uninsured. And so with the state's perspective being that now there are fewer uninsured in the counties, they had already noticed us that they were going to be taking back some portion of realignment.

And with the governor's recently released budget, we have some greater detail of their proposal and what that's likely to be. Although of course it hasn't been signed and finalized yet. So in terms of the upcoming year because healthcare reform happens in the middle of the fiscal year, the state is looking to take back $300 million across the state in health realignment. And so what that means for Santa Barbara County Is that we will be losing in public health approximately two point three million dollars of revenue.

Going forward from fiscal year 2014 and 15 and subsequent years the state is proposing two options that we can choose from and again trying to understand their perspective they tried to come up with formulas or different options To accommodate all the different counties because each county of course has very different health care systems. Some have big hospitals, some don't. Some are providers of care and some are not.

And so they've developed two options for our category of county which is counties that are not small counties but we're also not a big county with a big hospital. And so for our group the two options are to take a set percentage calculation of realignment which essentially works out to be a 70 30 split. The state would take back 70 percent of our realignment and leave us with 30 percent to cover public health programs as well as the residually uninsured.

The other option is a very complicated saving share formula that's still, we're still waiting for some final clarification on some of the different elements that go into that formula. But it's somewhat complicated. It looks at our medically indigent adult program cost caps general fund tobacco settlement funding and again its, its still hasn't exactly been clarified and then after certain amount of time Two to three years, there's a true up process that tries to estimate the cost of your indigent care.

We're still awaiting an analysis on that so at this point we don't know which of the two options we're going to be recommending to your board. We have to let the state know preliminarily which option we'd like to pursue in October with a final decision by December. Regardless of the two options, our preliminary analysis is estimating that we could end up with a gap, a negative gap between about $2.5 to 4 million. So at this point it appears that the state will be Taking back more in realignment funding than we stand to gain in new revenue through Medi-Cal, leaving us in a net negative. And so that's something we're certainly going to be working on once all of this is clarified. Working with the CEO's office and coming back with recommendations on how to address that gap going forward.

Some of the other knowns and unknowns are related to the medically indigent adult mandates. These are under the Welfare and Institution Code 17,000. And so again there's still some questions about how this is going to be applied after the Affordable Care Act. Again, we will have a residually uninsured population of undocumented residents, legal immigrants, etc.

There'll be individuals who choose not to enroll in a mandated insurance program and so we don't know from the state's perspective and from the legal perspective what our responsibility is under that Welfare and Institution Code 17000. But it's pretty clear that the Medically Indigent Adult Program as we have it currently designed is either gonna be phased out or at least significantly scaled back.

Another significant unknown is whether or not the state will even be ready to implement all of these changes as of January 1st, 2014 in terms of the call centers, their IT systems and the Medi-Cal expansion. And so when do we take action? Right now, we're already looking at Medi-Cal eligible and people who are eligible under the current Medi-Cal should certainly already be applying through the Department of Social Services.

Beginning in October of 2013, we can begin accepting pre-applications for the new Medi Cal and Covered California. And in January of 14, again is when the insurance mandate kicks in. We anticipate that we'll have some individuals who will be ready to go in January but when we're talking about 30 to 40 thousand newly eligible for Medi-Cal, we don't anticipate that's all hit early in the year. That will likely be sort of a gradual increase in enrollment over time.

And so what are some of our next steps? Again, we'll be completing the fiscal assessment. We will need to come back before the board with our recommendation on which realignment methodology we would like to pursue. We'll be completing a provider capacity assessment both internally within the county departments as well as in partnership with SenCal who of course Is the medical entity for the county and responsible for the medical network capacity will be developing protocols for shared data, developing utilization measures. And of course we will continue monitoring the health status of our populations and so As county departments just kind of in conclusion, of course our responsibility in the Affordable Care Act is to ensure that the implementation goes smoothly and that all of the programs and services we provide are operating as efficiently and effectively as possible.

And that we're really maximizing all opportunities for the residents of Santa Barbara County. So the recommendation is that the Board of Supervisors receive and file the report. And this ends our presentation, we'll be happy to answer any questions. All right Mr. Allen,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:12 · ≈ 11:21 AM

we have one speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:21:14 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Chairman Labnido, we have one request to speak from Mr. Caldwell in Santa Maria. Would

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:17 · ≈ 11:21 AM

the board like to hear from the speaker before we do our questions? Okay let's go to public comment

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:21:21 · ≈ 11:21 AM

then. Mr. Caldwell

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:21:25 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. Kind of like to know where representatives such as Lois Caps are right now? As you know there are all these people that jumped on this bandwagon for Obamacare in principle but where are they now that the reality is upon us? We're seeing reports that California has a shortage of nearly 20,000 physicians We think the number of illegal aliens that aren't going to be covered by this program are underestimated.

We see that the state now wants to take $7 million a year away from the county and Conversely, we think that there's going to be a lot of these patients dumped on to the county because as the staff report indicated, the federal government doesn't adequately repay doctors and service providers for these federal insurance programs. I've had a number of doctors on the show over the years and hospital administrators that will tell you that they get reimbursed pennies on the dollar which is why they don't want to accept these patients. So if the private sector's got a 17,000 physician shortage and the ones that even have capacity won't take these patients, you're going to be left holding that bag which means local taxpayers in some way shape or form are going to end up subsidizing this.

We'd like to again, we think that once now that we can look under the hood of Obamacare. What we see is the federal government passing things to the state, the state passes it to the county. All of them are dumping on the private sector providers and or reaching into the taxpayers pockets to make things whole. I don't understand how the social services department could be mandated to do anything in terms of creating eligibility If they're not being paid for it.

Why aren't you objecting to this loudly and vociferously? Bring in Hannah Beth Jackson and Doss Williams and tell them, look until the state costs up the money we're not going to dip into our general fund or implement this program without a funding source. It's an unfunded mandate. We see everybody going along to get along, but in reality the bill is eventually gonna come due and we don't have the money at the local level to pay for Obamacare.

And we think that you need to have a more robust debate about this and actually take some action items both at the state and federal level. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:24:18 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Any questions of the board? Mister and.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:24:25 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Doctor what a couple things. I heard on a radio show recently that if an individual is not covered by insurance, if someone chooses not to buy insurance under Covered California or their own or whatever they're doing at the time they get injured or they need treatment even if they've paid the penalty that they are not covered by covered California or any other insurance and they are on their own.

Do we have any information as to whether that's true?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:25:10 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Supervisor Adam through the chair, so if someone was uninsured and they paid the penalty and ended up with an injury in an emergency room of course we wouldn't be able to as a system deny them care so that they would still get treatment But if they didn't have insurance at that time, I don't believe they would get covered unless there was some retroactivity to the plan that they ultimately selected if they eventually went into a plan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:25:38 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Well do you know if there's retroactivity?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:25:42 · ≈ 11:25 AM

We would need to look into that. Currently for Medi-Cal, there is some degree of retroactivity.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:25:48 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Okay, because I think people need to know what the ramifications are. You know and so that's something that I heard that I was pretty concerned about. That a number of people will decide not to participate and just pay the fine and then find themselves not covered And then perhaps as an example of why you shouldn't choose that, they end up broken. Because to show everybody else that you need to participate in the program, they get financially broken. So that's something that I think should be clear to everybody as we go into this thing.

I think and I may be wrong. I guess I hope I'm wrong. I think this thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster I don't think we have short of conscripting doctors. You know, we already have a doctor shortage in taking Medi-Cal patients specifically because they don't pay enough and so unless you're going to conscript doctors You know, I don't see how it comes out in a world where we're not conscripting people. And if that works for doctors, maybe we could do that with county council and everybody gets $10 an hour.

Just saying, I dunno. So you're gonna come back at some point with a briefing On the ramifications to the county as an employer, as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:27:36 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Chair, Supervisor, yes through our human resources folks we will be coming back with that information.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:27:42 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Okay good deal thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:48 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Not seeing any others, I'll put my two cents in. It's one thing to have insurance and it's another thing to be able to be seen by a doctor. And I think if you have a Medi-Cal patient right now that's in Santa Maria before we add on the 40,000 Additional, that person's not gonna, I mean it takes. There's very few local, there's very few in Santa Maria that'll see any new Medi-Cal patients and we throw another 40,000 on.

I just don't see who you're going to go see when you do have a problem. That's going to be our biggest problem. The other thing is, I don't see the folks that we don't have in the system right now A single male, and we talked about that there's 67,000 uninsured right now. And we're probably going to end up with at least a third of that still uninsured. I don't really see what seems like we're going through a huge process. It doesn't seem like it's gonna have the payoff that we're looking for. We're still gonna have the uninsured folks and a lot of those are gonna be the ones that probably use our system the most.

I'd also like to know what that delta is when The federal government picks up 100% and in three years from now it's gonna be 90%. Do we have any idea what that cost is looking like right now? We don't, okay. So that's a little scary. It's more than a little scary, it's lot scary. The other thing that I would really recommend us to do is identify, and I noticed you have that, our high need clientele. And I know that we have a small percentage of people use Percentage of the resources in our county.

We need to hand hold those folks, do whatever we need to do to make sure that they are part of this plan and get them through. I guess my last thing is if we have these huge influx of new patients and nowhere for them to be seen. And we're kind of over the last couple years ramping down our own clinics. Are we going to then turn around and ramp up our clinics? Add new clinics? What's our plan?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:30:01 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Chair Lavagnino, members of the board. It's certainly something that we'll be following closely with CENCAL who is the Medi-Cal provider and responsible for the network adequacy so you know at this point with the federally qualified health centers there are a number of federally qualified health center systems within the county and because we get enhanced reimbursements for Medi-Cal we're probably in a better position to accept some of these new Medi Cal individuals although a lot again Already in our system to some degree. And so, in some areas we'll look to see what the community clinics and the private sector are doing if they're taking on these new Medi-Cal then that would be great. If not and there are gaps in the system then we would certainly work to address that with our other partners.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:30:49 · ≈ 11:30 AM

The other thing in the presentation that really scared me was the fact that we can, somebody from Santa Barbara County is going to call and maybe somebody from Tehama County or San Benito County or Modoc is gonna answer the phone. Working in government I just do not see that working as far as then they're gonna transfer this individual to us and we're gonna take calls for somebody in Stanislaus County.

I'd be more happy with having the control on it that we can control. I don't see how we're going to then be able to call up Tehama County and get upset because this person didn't receive the insurance that they were supposed to get. It just looks to me like obviously any program you roll out this size is going to have some serious problems with it in the beginning, and I'm glad that we have the folks that we have here that can steer us but I don' see any control that we have over anybody in another county so I know this is a mandate and we will deal with it as best we can. So thank you for your presentation.

Is there a motion to receive and file the report? Moved and seconded, all those in favor? Aye. Motion passes unanimously. We will now

move on to item number five.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:32:05 · ≈ 11:32 AM

Chairman loving you know members of the board item number five is from planning and development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations of the County Planning Commission to approve case number 0 8 0 Rd 18 which would amend section twenty five thirty five dash eighty of division four The zone districts of Article 2 of the Coastal Zoning Ordinance of Chapter 35, zoning of the Santa Barbara County Code to allow exploration and production of sweet native natural gas by a public utility company for the purpose of expanding natural gas storage capacity in the PU, public works utilities and private service facilities. And two, approve case numbers 12-RVP56 and 08-CDP185 to allow the Southern California Gas Company to explore for and produce native natural gas from the La Golita site in order to expand the gas storage capacity.

And three, certify Environmental Impact Report 10EIR1 for the project located on the coastal zone. This is located at 1171 Moor Ranch Road in the 2nd District.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:33:06 · ≈ 11:33 AM

Mr. Allen you took longer reading that than I think we had time for the meeting so... But thank you very much. I think we have Kevin Drude who's going to be running things for us today? That's correct, Mr. Chair.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:33:20 · ≈ 11:33 AM

Good morning. Good morning, Chair Labagnino and board members. Today I'll be presenting the Southern California Gas La Galita Field Enhancement Project. And I do have issue area experts in attendance as well and I will at times ask them to assist me in answering technical questions you may have. I'll begin with why we're before your board today, and then I'll describe the existing Southern California gas operations.

I'll present the proposed physical project and I'll follow that by describing the proposed coastal zoning ordinance amendments that are actually needed to allow this project to go forward. I'm going to briefly highlight some key issues that we identified in our environmental impact report analysis. I do have one minor suggested change to your board's packet, and I'll go through that at the end of the presentation. And I do have a slide to address that.

And then I'll be concluding with staff's recommendations. First, a summary of the June 5th Planning Commission action Where they did recommend that this item come before your board, the Planning Commission voted 5-0 recommending that your board approve the proposed coastal zoning ordinance amendments as well as a physical project. The project must come before your board because of the proposed ordinance amendments and the Land Use and Development Code requires that the companion permits which are the revised development plan in the Coastal Development Permit required for this project also be considered by your board as part of the same action.

Let's move on to a description of the existing project site On the screen is an aerial view of the project site outlined in red. It's on the coastal bluffs, it's just south of Atascadero Creek and just east of the mouth of Goleta Slough down to the south and west you'll get a little bit of a view of Goleta Beach, just for some perspective. This site has been actively developed since approximately 1929.

And that began, and then in oil development. Those efforts were never commercially successful. In 1941 operators turned the operations over into gas injection and extraction beginning with five wells. And that operation continues today but with a different operator. There are now currently 21 active gas injection and extraction wells on that site And the current operations are those 21 wells.

They have a vast underground gas storage reservoir, they have gas dehydration equipment, they have gas decompressors or excuse me compressors, they have a gas liquids loading station and various piping throughout the site to support the operations. When the demand is high, gas is withdrawn from this site by the utility company that operates it. It's dehydrated, meaning that liquids such as water and gas liquids are removed. They're considered impurities.

The gas is odorized and then it's routed to existing distribution pipelines leaving the site to go to both commercial and residential uses throughout their distribution network. This particular area services 215 municipalities with its stored gas and distribution operations in Southern and Central California. When the demand is low in the summer, the operation purchases gas, transports it via high pressure pipeline, injects it into the storage field, and then they extract it at later dates during the wintertime throughout their distribution network.

Slide on the screen is an example of the existing site industrial development. That is the compressor building that exists, and it houses nine compressors that inject the incoming gas into the wells and into the reservoir that I just described to give you some locational bearing There's a eucalyptus grove just behind, you can see the tip of it above the building there. Behind the eucalyptus grove is Atascadera Creek and that's looking from south to north at this building.

Here are two images that show the three most prominent vertical features that exist on the site today To the left are the two radio transmission towers. They're each 275 feet in height, and on the right side that's the project flare. I'd like your board to consider these images when I discuss the visual impacts of the proposed temporary drilling rig that I'll describe later in the presentation.

And I'll move on to a brief project description of what Southern California Gas is proposing to do at the site. Southern California Gas's project goal is to expand the storage capacity of their facility from 21.5 billion cubic feet of storage, to 26.5 billion cubic feet of storage. To do that, Southern California Gas proposes to drill and produce native sweet gas from a reservoir below the existing storage field This is an important point. No fracking is proposed or allowed under this permit or the ordinance language that is going to be before your board shortly.

Southern California Gas has proposed four new gas wells, a dehydration unit that I explained in operation a little bit earlier and that's going to be used to remove the gas from these four new wells and other impurities. They have a new pipeline proposed. It's 2,800 feet in length that are going to connect the new wells to the new dehydration facility. The project is proposed to occur in three phases.

During the first phase of drilling it's 145 days of development. Of that 89 days would be used to drill the wells only 89 days of the 145. Phase two would be constructed if phase one is successful, and that would include putting in dehydration equipment to process and treat that gas that would come out of those first two wells. The third phase of production is additional well drilling, and only 68 days with the drilling rig beyond site.

Most of this development happens right up front within the first two years of development. The project also requires, as I mentioned earlier, a coastal zoning ordinance amendment to move forward and I'll be discussing that in a moment. Here's an image of all three phases developed. Looking down to the south side of the slide, circled in yellow, that's indicating where the new well development would be. The black line that traverses the site east-to-west back and forth, that's the 2,800 feet of the new pipeline. And over to the right side or to the east is where the new dehydration facility would be located.

Southern California Gas estimates and hopes that the project will yield between 3 to 5 billion cubic feet of native gas, and hopefully significantly expand their storage capacity. The entire production phase is expected to last between three to five years. That includes all the drilling and the extraction of the gas. And then the project will return to its previous operating status with little indication that anything different has ever occurred on that site.

The first thing needed for the project to go forward is the Coastal Zoning Ordinance Amendment. This project is proposed in a PU zone district, and that's public works utilities and private services facilities. Presently, exploration and production which is what was proposed of native gas is not a permitted use in the PU zone district. Only injection storage and extraction of the already produced gas that is brought in via pipeline at the site. So they're working within the constraints of the existing zoning ordinance right now. They need this amendment to be able to go after the native gas.

The amendment does allow or would allow extraction of only sweet native gas within a PU zone district only. But only, and this is important, only when the project is owned and operated by a public utility or a public utility regulated company which SoCalGas is. The amendments proposed by staff and revised at the Planning Commission hearing are quite brief and very specific and restrictive to this very type of development Again on the screen, simple text amendments specific to the sole purpose of expanding natural gas storage by allowing the production of the native sweet gas that occupies it right now.

And again note in the text amendments that it disallows specifically hydraulic fracturing to occur. And for your boards and the public's clarification, sweet gas as indicated in the text means little or no hydrogen sulfide which is a poisonous compound. This restriction would eliminate the risk of a hydrogen sulfide release at the site and limits the amount of hydrogen sulfide in the gas to four parts per million which is the allowable amount to be shipped through to residential and commercial uses.

Finally, the last amendment. This language distinguishes this type of utility project from the regulations which are in Division 9 of the Coastal Zoning Ordinance which apply to commercial oil and gas development projects similar to what we have on our coasts and specifically excludes the proposed project from the requirements of Division 9. Now a brief summary of the environmental impact report issues that were prepared to analyze both the Coastal Zoning Ordinance Amendment and the proposed development project.

For Class 1 visual impacts, the drilling rig as I noted earlier is a temporary appurtenance on the site. It would only be present for 89 days during Phase 1, 68 days during the third phase drilling and then removed from the site. For public safety we looked at all the risks, the operational risk for both the baseline project and the proposed project. And we identified that all those risks are below the county's safety thresholds.

For noise, we identified that there would be significant noise effects of this project. But they were mitigated to the point where there's a de minimus addition to the existing baseline noise with real-time monitoring throughout the project construction time and for a requisite period during project operations to make sure those mitigation measures are successful.

They're so restricted that should we receive complaints from the public or we do investigation on our own based on noise analysis from real-time monitoring and they cannot mitigate the project significantly, they would have to shut the project down until those noise impacts are mitigated to our satisfaction. Another issue that was raised as part of the project was vibration. We determined through our project analysis that vibration resulting from this project was not an issue, would not occur. I wanted to make that clear.

One other thing that was brought up during the process of the environmental review was site access and right of access by the applicant to gain access to their production site. We've worked that out prior to coming to the Planning Commission. One of the issues that did remain was what happens if there's a temporary blockage of a single arterial road that serves both the project site and the Fire Department submitted a letter and it's in the record. It's in your packet indicates that should the road be blocked, fire department may require that on the south side of the blockage closer to the affected populations they would place a fire truck and an ambulance so that if there was an emergency they would have immediate service from those public From those public agencies and finally coastal zoning ordinance amendments became an issue during our environmental review and permit process Looking at it as a possible Pandora's box that if we do this, we're going to open up the entire coast of this kind of project Staff by our analysis in our recommendation in the plan and Commission support found that this type of project is likely to be the only one During the course of our alternatives analysis we looked for other sites, suitable sites where this could be accommodated.

None showed up. This is a rare project in the vicinity and it's likely to be the only one that ever comes before the county based upon our analysis and the Planning Commission's recommendations. So what are the next steps following your board's hearing? If your board does choose to approve the Coastal Zoning Ordinance amendments They will need to also be approved by the Coastal Commission.

The board's action on the development plan today and the coastal development permit are final, unless those two actions are appealed to the Coastal Commission. And once the Coastal Commission takes this action of the amendments into consideration and should they adopt them your board will then again have to take up this matter of accepting the certified amendments On the screen is the one revision that we're asking your board to consider and approve as well today. It's a correction that was identified in one of our conditions, attachment C, it's condition 20 of your attachment.

And we had inverted the months of the rainy season. You can see I scratched out April 15th to November 1st and indicated the correct rainy season, November one through April 15th. I have no other recommendations to our package before you. And that leaves me with our motion. I have the formal motion on the screen at this time. I'll summarize it. We're asking your board to make the required findings today, both CEQA and the findings necessary for approving the two discretionary permits. We'll be asking your board to certify the environmental impact report.

And we'll be asking your board to approve the ordinance amendment, the revision to the development plan before you, the coastal development permit. And of course include any changes in your action That I have on the screen and anything else that comes out today during your deliberations. Mr. Chair, members of the board, that concludes my presentation. I'd be glad to try to answer any questions you might have. Okay?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:48:31 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Thank you very much. Do we want to go to questions at this point? Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:48:35 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to know how many speakers we have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:48:40 · ≈ 11:48 AM

We have approximately 15 now, I think so. And we're also going to have time for Southern California Gas. So however you want to proceed at this point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:48:50 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Very good. Well just for time management purposes and these folks have been waiting for a long time. So even though it's the noon hour, I suggest that we proceed with this hearing. We may have to just take a later lunch.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:49:03 · ≈ 11:49 AM

We'll take a late lunch. We will listen everybody.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:49:05 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Thank you. I appreciate that Mr. Chair. Thank you for your presentation. I have a couple of questions, and one had to do with the issue of the 89 days and the 68 days and the language that was recommended by the Planning Commission Seemed a little open-ended and I was wondering if you you know, we had talked about this yesterday and if you have a recommendation to Tighten that up because I'm concerned that that the wording That was provided by the Coastal Commission is a little fuzzy and there's no It's not definitive enough. So I was wondering if you have that change language Or if you can just tell us.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:49:57 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Actually, Mr Chair, Supervisor Wolfe, I have prepared a slide based upon our conversation yesterday with the suggested language. I'll have to switch to my alternate PowerPoint. I will put that up on the screen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:50:23 · ≈ 11:50 AM

Let me just go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:50:25 · ≈ 11:50 AM

Mr Chair and Supervisor Wolf, while Kevin's finding that language I think what we would recommend is a change to condition two which is a follow on condition to the project description condition in the second sentence of the planning commission added the language the applicant will use best efforts to meet the drilling timelines identified in condition one The project description and I think our recommendation would be if you're if your board wants to tighten that up to delete the language, the applicant will use best efforts to meet. And just start that sentence with the drilling timelines identified in condition one project description may be extended by the director for good cause.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:51:06 · ≈ 11:51 AM

Okay. I appreciate that and I hope my colleagues will, you know as we move forward but like I said it seemed or appeared to be a little open ended and I wanted to tighten that up because I think the timing is important and unless we tie those days down, then it makes it very open-ended. And I also believe that there was a provision that says within 30 days all of the drilling rigs had to be removed. That was the other reason to ensure that there was a time certain to remove these rigs.

Is that correct?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:51:49 · ≈ 11:51 AM

That's absolutely correct. That the 30 days was a little bit independent of the time and service, but it was to ensure that should they when they do cease that within one month They have to remove them from site

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:52:01 · ≈ 11:52 AM

right? But we wanted to make sure that they're going to cease within a certain timeframe.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:52:05 · ≈ 11:52 AM

That's correct. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:52:08 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Okay supervisor far

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction2:52:11 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a number of questions and I talked to Mr. Drew yesterday about them so hopefully he's had a chance to take a look at it. So let me just kind of run through them here quickly. The first one actually had to do with waste water, generally when the county has the opportunity to have a applicant switch out of septic and hook up to the sanitary district we do. And particularly if they're right along the coast in the bluff. So I'm just wondering why this applicant isn't doing that? We have a septic system for 75 people here.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:52:52 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, if I could direct your board to your staff report And to the policy analysis, and if it would be more convenient I'll just discuss that policy as you look for it. We're looking at Policy 2-6 Coastal Policy which is the driver for public services. And the particular point Supervisor Farr that you're discussing is discussing whether or not adequate public or private services and resources exist for a proposed project.

When we read that policy, conducted our analysis and made our recommendation to the Planning Commission. We went with our recommendation on the basis that the current facility is served by a private septic system which fell under the policy as we interpreted it to be a private service. Parenthetically it says water sewer roads etc. And in our policy discussion, we had indicated that the site will continue to be served by its private septic system which has adequate capacity to serve the storage operations. The reason we made that recommendation which was endorsed by the planning commission and again I want to add a little bit more information to this discussion. I had a conversation with our environmental health services department this morning who participated in the review And their determination and recommendation at that point, which we relied on was that because there's no expanded use of this facility and that any temporary use will be accommodated by porta potties for the drilling rigs.

That they didn't see any impact on the existing private facilities. And didn't feel that it warranted any further action. And that was their discussion with us, and that's why we went with our recommendation in this. Should it have evolved into a much larger project with new employees, more expanded use of that existing septic system, we may have had a different analysis. But that's why we did what we did.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction2:54:47 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Okay so is there... There was no need then for condition letter from environmental health saying that?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:54:56 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, I have minutes and discussions from subdivision committee review in the past where we had that discussion and we went by that. It was a typical course of action by having those committees weigh in on the project. It never rose to the level of an issue so we didn't require a letter from that department nor did they offer to submit one.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction2:55:20 · ≈ 11:55 AM

Okay. Well, it just seems unusual to me. I'll just go ahead and move on. This is in Supervisor Wolf's district so I'm just kind of raising these issues and I don't know whether she's going to want to follow up on any of them or not but I do feel it's important to raise them. I want to actually now ask about water. Normally in an EIR, there's a calculation of the acre feet per year of the baseline plus what the additional need is going to be and a condition or commitment from the water district, in this case the Goleta Water District that they can and will serve the additional needs of the project And I didn't see that AFY calculation in the EIR, nor something from the Glitter Water District that said that they understood what the additional needs were going to be.

Also that the wells were going to be drilled through an existing groundwater basin as I guess the other wells have been and that they all have knowledge of this and they're okay with it.

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CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:56:32 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr. Two things I have today. First, I'll direct your board to the environmental impact report specifically into the response to comment sections is page 11 point two dash 10 this issue of water use came up and a response to the commenter is included on that page. Um, I will summarize for your board from another memo that I have Where staff had communicated with the Planning Commission on this very issue a month or so ago.

In summary, the baseline operating conditions at the Southern California Gas Company project site use about half a million gallons of water per year. With the addition of the proposed project that would double during the well drilling Procedures. So about a million gallons a year of water for the combined project once the well drilling aspect of the project ceases within the first two years, it would drop back down to the baseline operating conditions in a conversation Which our staff, energy staff had with the water district on this very issue.

We were told that the operating condition of both the spike and the production use as well as the baseline operating condition were well within the parameters of Southern California gas companies allowed water use within their discretionary permit with a water district and that they had no issue with the spike nor the continued use.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction2:58:13 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Okay. And so that is documented here in the comments, just so we have a clear record. Also I had asked you about the letter from our public works department project clean water there was actually had been two letters one that had required some mitigation and then one couple of years later that said no this only you know this is only half acre project and so We're going to withdraw our conditions, and yet there seems to be quite a bit of potential impact here from runoff. And in another part of the project description it says that actually the area impacted is going to be an acre so I would have thought that it would have tripped the threshold for mitigation letters from Project Clean Water. So if you could speak to that as well.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:58:59 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Certainly Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, and thank you for the question. And upon further investigation with my staff later that day They directed me to a section in our staff report and provided me with a copy of our stormwater pollution prevention plan. Later in the process, and again we addressed it in the comments in the EIR and in the staff report, we reevaluated the surface coverings of the project and determined that with the advent of the proposed new fire road that they would exceed the threshold of acre and therefore the conditions that had been discussed with Project Clean Water Do in fact apply and we have the plan, the draft plan before submitted by Southern California Gas to deal with that issue. So the letter is included in the record as active and appropriate.

And I believe that it addresses your concern that you were asking me about.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction2:59:51 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Okay, so is there a third letter now then reactivating the first letter?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction2:59:56 · ≈ 11:59 AM

The record will indicate clearly in the response to comments that that letter still applies. We had by staff analysis determined that it was less than they agreed but the way the letter was written initially, it still applies.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction3:00:09 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Okay. Well, it's a little confusing because first there's 2 letters in there and the most recent one says they don't have to do anything. So okay so we're on the record with that. I know that fire issues are great obviously a great concern. We had talked about one of the conditions And adding language that would include the fire department review, and I think it was the spill response prevention plan.

And even though that's a water issue since it's the fire department that if there is a spill would have to come in, it seemed appropriate that perhaps they might be one of their reviewing bodies as well.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:00:50 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, we have amendments to that language as well and we've included the Fire Department and the Office of Emergency Services as companion reviewers to that condition and to that plan so that we make sure we have all the expert eyes on it.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction3:01:08 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Okay, so you have some revised condition language for that? All right.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:01:12 · ≈ 12:01 PM

And we'll be presenting those formal rewrites to your board for your consideration for

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction3:01:17 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Okay, thank you. And then there is going to be notification to roads and traffic mitigation plan and what happens when they're bringing the big drill rig in and all of that. What notification to the surrounding property owners is there going to be for the potential impacts to partial road closures and emergency planning and that kind of thing?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:01:45 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, the traffic mitigation plan which is one of the conditions of approval specifically requires that the operators prior to commencing construction reach out to local residents as well as to commercial operations weeks in advance of any construction beginning so that everyone is aware that there may be some potential roadblocks. The only roadblocks that we did identify to date We're the ones that were on that private service road once we get off of Hollister Avenue and get down into the floral areas, the floral grower areas.

That said these are draft plans and as we discussed earlier that we can reach out to the public and public is more than welcome and always are to review draft plans. We could include a further list of notifications in those plans so that Southern California Gas specifically knows that they have to make those calls prior to the commencement of any construction activities, whether they're local residents or in the vicinity.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction3:02:47 · ≈ 12:02 PM

OK, thank you. And Mr. Chair, thank you. My last question has to do with somebody if they can respond to the emissions calculations chart. It was a little surprising to me that a project of this size would not have tripped the threshold to need to have offsets. And there's something in it that says that somebody is going to be monitoring this so that they're not crossing that threshold within the year period which is what the rule is. So who's going to be doing that monitoring and how's that going to work?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:03:18 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, I'm going to look to my air quality expert, Mr. Radus on the adjacent table. He prepared the air quality section of our EIR and he'll be answering your questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:03:28 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Thank you. Mr. Chair, Supervisor Farr, the Air Pollution Control District will be monitoring the project to assure that they conduct the project construction and drilling according to what they proposed They're well underneath the thresholds for offsets for construction and operational emissions are quite low, so it's very unlikely they would ever cross that threshold.

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction3:03:53 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Okay because you know one of the charts when I looked at the NOx It looked like it was going to go over and we weren't even looking at some of the other particular impacts So that's why I asked the question

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:04:05 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Right, we also overestimate looking on maximum potential emissions. So we kind of estimate the absolute worst case and it's highly unlikely that they would even reach the emissions listed in the table

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction3:04:17 · ≈ 12:04 PM

OK, thank you. Thank you Mr. Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:04:19 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:04:20 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair. First of all let me thank Supervisor Farr and yes this is in my district and I truly do appreciate your looking at this project carefully. I think that all of us are very You know, we take these projects very seriously even if they're not in our district. So I do appreciate your questions. Mr. Jude, I'd like to just follow up on some of the questions I had talked to you about before and that was the gas dehydration unit because nowhere at least I couldn't find anywhere the exact size of that although it's mentioned throughout.

So just wanted to get that on the record.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:05:05 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolf, I have in your staff report attachment F there is a figure and it's called Goleta Storage Field Site Map Sheet 2 of 6 and it indicates that the gas processing plant the physical footprint is 0.24 acres

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:05:31 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Is it gas processing plant

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:05:33 · ≈ 12:05 PM

then, the same thing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:05:34 · ≈ 12:05 PM

as a

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:05:34 · ≈ 12:05 PM

dehydration? I'm sorry. Yes indeed it is. It's the dehydration facility.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:05:38 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Okay. Point two four acres?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:05:41 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Point two four. And attachment F.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:05:47 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Thank you. The landscaping, the condition for the landscaping and the periodic site inspections. You know in some of these conditions the inspections are very specific and then there's a few that are just a little nebulous so like for instance this one Where it says there will be a periodic site inspection to ensure compliance. What did you find out about that? And what are we looking at specifically?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:06:23 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolf in that regard I would suggest language rather than periodic to be quarterly and then for the first year I have some suggested language and then switching over to a yearly basis it it coincides with our standard revegetation type mitigation plans that you give the vegetation time to grow your monitor periodically and then you lengthen the time If you experience success, so I would recommend starting quarterly and then extending it to yearly checks

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:06:57 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Okay, so that's condition.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:06:59 · ≈ 12:06 PM

I believe it's 33 3

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:07:02 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Condition three three okay, and you have language for that

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:07:05 · ≈ 12:07 PM

we do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:07:06 · ≈ 12:07 PM

all right Thank You

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:07:09 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Mr. Chair Members members of the board we will hand out and make available in the back of the room revisions to conditions 2 3 and 33 that your board is just discussed, and we'll have it available when you're When you've concluded public comment We can put it up on the screen and make sure that that language is indeed the language You'd like to include so I'll

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:07:32 · ≈ 12:07 PM

very good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:07:32 · ≈ 12:07 PM

be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:07:32 · ≈ 12:07 PM

providing that thank you Mr.. Drew did you? We had talked about the issue of blowouts as one of the probably the most major concern during the days of drilling. And you had mentioned that there was, that you had some contact with a PUC about that and the record of this particular provider. If you can just address that concern?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:08:04 · ≈ 12:08 PM

I'd be glad to, Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolfe. Early on and throughout the course of our evaluation we had both a need and the desire to coordinate with our sister agencies to make sure that this project went forward as smoothly and is evaluated in as much degree as possible so that we had the best product before you. Asking about Southern California's safety record, they explained to me that they have an exemplary safety record at this facility.

My indications talking to the staff out there As well, indicate that they have a safety record that they're proud of. They have a documented safety incident where one of their employees injured himself on site performing some construction activity. But other than that there have been no reports of upset conditions, anomalous pipeline operations, releases, violations of any other permits at the site on record.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:09:04 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Okay and they go out and do? You know, I hate using the word periodic inspections. I hope that they're specific inspections as well. Do they do that quarterly or how does that work?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:09:18 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor, they have a regular inspection program and it varies depending on what they're looking at and what regulatory agency is looking at that particular operation. And that could be monthly, quarterly, weekly, daily, yearly. By yearly it depends on what they're looking at. But yes, they're well within the scope of all their environmental review plans Their safety maintenance operational plans inspection plans record-keeping

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:09:43 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Okay and along those lines I'm making the assumption that they know about the number of the number of people who are on site Particularly during the overnight hours in the EIR. It said one to two people I'm assuming that's within acceptable levels

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:10:02 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor, we had a conversation with Southern California Gas yesterday and they may want to expand on this later when they make their presentation but they operate that facility under a corporate security plan. They have a number of security measures in place including security cameras and at least staffing at some level on the site at any time, security gates.

They would be glad to fill in the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:10:29 · ≈ 12:10 PM

details. Okay, that's all for now. Thank you Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:10:34 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Drew. Without any further questions from the board I think we'll go to the Southern California Gas part of the presentation at this point and then go to the public. Good morning, afternoon. Good morning Mr. Chair and

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:11:04 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Supervisors.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:11:05 · ≈ 12:11 PM

How much time were you thinking it's going to take for your presentation?

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:11:09 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Five minutes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:11:10 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Okay let's

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:11:10 · ≈ 12:11 PM

do five minutes. I'm Steve Isgro, Ex-Person Development Manager for Southern California Gas Company. First thing I'd like to do is I'd like to thank the Energy & Minerals staff for the work that they've done on the staff report in the EIR. The gas company agrees with the IRR's identified impacts. We also agree with the recommendation of the staff report approving the project and associated LCP amendment.

We'd also like to reserve some time if possible after comments, to address any of those comments or questions we've got some additional experts on hand that might be able to answer some questions that do come up. Just a quick overview of the gas storage field. We serve to balance coastal natural gas demand from West Los Angeles through San Luis Obispo. We're also receptor of coastal natural gas from local producers and we also serve to help meet the instantaneous demands of high power plant load.

We've safely and reliably operated the La Galita gas field since 1941 without compromising the safety of the surrounding community. We feel we're a good neighbor, the safety of our customers, employees and the communities we serve are our top priority. We're confident the field will continue to operate in a safe reliable manner for decades to come. We're committed to being good neighbors and have historically worked closely with neighbors, and have historically worked closely to address any issues that those neighbors have contacted us with concerns.

The proposed operations will be no different than the typical operations that have been performed at the field in the past. We've brought in drilling rigs in the past. We've brought in the same exact construction that will take place in building the D-High and the pipeline. Structures and these projects are common to the gas industry. We perform with a lot of the lead field doing these kinds of activities without compromising the safety of our neighbors.

Can we stop the clock for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:13:19 · ≈ 12:13 PM

just a minute?

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:13:20 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Supervisor Wolff,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:13:21 · ≈ 12:13 PM

this is on my time. So you said you've brought in these drilling rigs in the past. Yes. Was it for the same operation to explore and produce?

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:13:33 · ≈ 12:13 PM

No, in that case our conditional use permit allows us to maintain and drill And re-drill wells that have to deal with the existing storage field. So by doing that, the same type of rig... That's why you didn't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:13:50 · ≈ 12:13 PM

need an amendment. I'm assuming you didn't need an amendment then and you need one now because it's different? Correct. Okay. But it's the same, but the rigs are the same?

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:14:00 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Yes, same rigs, same practice, same type of drilling, same components.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:14:04 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Just explain in layman's terms what's the difference?

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:14:09 · ≈ 12:14 PM

The only difference really why this is brought up is because the ordinance allows us as a public utility zoning ordinance to maintain our existing storage field, to maintain the wells. So we're able to bring in if we need to rework some wells which means if we need to say redrill a well The well might not be producing as well as it has in the past. We might go in and do some activities to either re-drill that well or to clean up that well.

So we would bring in a maintenance rig if we were going to maintain the well, if we were gonna work on say we've got maybe an inner string that we want to pull out the inner string and inspect it and put it back in. We'd use a maintenance rig to do that If we decided we wanted to redrill a well, if a well wasn't maybe in the initial drilling the well wasn't as good as some of the other wells. We would have the opportunity to take that same well bore and redrill it so we would kick off a little bit higher abandoning the lower zone and kick off with a drilling rig to move the bottom hole location that's in our storage field to a different location.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:15:19 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Okay, so drilling would occur in those instances? Yes. Okay thank you.

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:15:26 · ≈ 12:15 PM

OK back to your time. Again just to let you know this new project will not impact the operation of the compressors they will not be used to do anything with this project and the associated equipment and pipeline Our opportunity to extract native gas really is to increase storage capacity also so we have an opportunity with the California Public Utilities Commission where back in 2006 it was a decision was approved called the native gas decision and what it allowed the gas coming to do is.

Search and explore for additional opportunities, be it oil in some of our fields that produce oil or gas in an adjacent to our storage fields. So based on that decision, it gave us the opportunity to look for zones that we might not otherwise develop. So based on that decision there is a 50-50% revenue sharing mechanism with the customers and our shareholders The conceptualized project here is different from what might happen in other fields because we have an opportunity here to.

to develop this field and not have to use compression to inject. The way typical storage works is you operate the field below the original reservoir pressure, which means the pressure when the first wells were drilled, you know what that original pressure is. All of our storage fields are depleted oil and gas fields, or in this case a gas field. And what's happened in the past is wells have been drilled, that native natural gas has been produced. Once that pressure was dropped to a certain extent The gas company came in and saw a good opportunity to develop a field that had held that gas for millions of years.

So because that gas was there for millions of years, and now it was produced we were able to inject gas back in. By doing that now, we're able to inject gas when gas prices are lower to hold that gas until we have extreme peak days or extreme cold days or something to that effect. To be able to withdraw all that gas by doing that the gas company passes on the gas prices to the customers. We don't make money off of gas. So what we're able to do is if there's extreme cold day and most of our gas comes in from El Paso from the Rockies, only about 20% of our gas is actually developed in California.

So what we're able to do is instead of having to buy more expensive gas at times, we're able to withdraw that gas out of those storage fields to try to stabilize gas prices. So what we've done as a company With this native gas project, it allowed us to go in and develop a field to one produce the native gas. To be able to share that revenue with our consumers and to develop a storage field without using compression.

Okay?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:18:25 · ≈ 12:18 PM

Your five minutes is up. Thank you very much we really appreciate you being here. Mr Allen I believe we have 15-16 speakers so what's the pleasure of the board sure

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:18:39 · ≈ 12:18 PM

Mr. Drew, there was the concept or the notion of sharing revenue and I know we're going to have to be accepting overriding considerations and there is in there the economic benefit reduced rates and profit sharing There is, and there's other issues of overriding considerations. That's not the only one. But there is no specific number. It seems very broad. What have you done to look into that? Or do we know any more than this is just to all the rate payers, Santa Barbara County?

Can you give us some information about that?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:19:30 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Yes, Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolf, I had conversations with the gas company and we've not validated those numbers. I can generally tell you that because of the rate, the 50-50 rate payer share that Mr. Isgrove just described, the economic benefit of that would be very low to the tune of perhaps a dollar per customer. And that's based upon the fact that this particular project It's not simply serving the persons in Santa Barbara County. They serve those 215 municipalities, regional areas that I described earlier in my presentation so that shareholder and ratepayer benefit is spread amongst all their customers.

That said staff was not reliant In our recommendation to the Planning Commission and to your board today, in our statement of override considerations that that particular component was the main reason why we were recommending to your board that you override the class one impact which is visual. Primary benefit we saw and still recommend is that by doing this project, there will be the enhanced reservoir storage capacity that as Mr. Isgro just explained in times of need they would be able to allow access to a more readily cheaper hopefully source of sweet natural gas for distribution within their network. The other side economic benefit to which we didn't apply a number was the fact that there will be temporary increase in the amount of employment caused by this project and the secondary benefits of that.

So, in this particular case it was a matter of scale we're not relying on the benefit to the rate payer or to the shareholder in terms of asking your board to override the impact. We felt that because the impact was only temporary And that the primary reason we were before your board recommending this was because of the extra storage capacity, that the economics was secondary.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:21:37 · ≈ 12:21 PM

All right and we're going to do three minutes? Okay. We will begin with our first speaker. Each person will have three minutes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:21:44 · ≈ 12:21 PM

Our first speaker is Fred Walters be followed by Roche Monchamp.

CommentFred WaltersProposedself-stated3:21:52 · ≈ 12:21 PM

Okay I'm Fred Walters. And my wife and I live in Rancho Goleta Mobile Home Park, an idyllic resident-owned community. And we're adjacent to the property in question here. We oppose the proposal because it will greatly increase vibration, noise, contamination Heavy truck traffic and more reasons. And we're also concerned for our property values. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:36 · ≈ 12:22 PM

Thank you for being here today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:22:38 · ≈ 12:22 PM

Our next speaker is Roque Monchamp, to be followed by Neneke Elliott.

PresenterRoque MonchampprojectProposedself-stated3:22:50 · ≈ 12:22 PM

Good afternoon. My name is Roque Monchamp. I live at Rancho Goleta and my, well first of all we have vibration now. We have noise and it will only increase with the project. The point that they've taken as the only one that doesn't need mitigation is visual and that is probably the least point of concern to the residents. My concern mainly is with the safety.

Now, I know that they are proposing all kinds of safety programs. However, I am a material scientist. I worked in the chemical and electronics industry for 35 years and I have been involved in two explosions. One being a gas explosion from which I felt the fireball and the explosion as it hit my back, as I was running away from the fire. Second one was a hydrogen explosion which just blew the apparatus we were working with completely apart and Knock me to the ground.

Now I don't care how many precautions you might take as far as safety is concerned, but accidents do happen. We are only less than a quarter of a mile from the drill rig and I would hate to see us become San Bruno victims. Accidents do happen. If they didn't, we wouldn't need that word in our vocabulary. Thank you very much.

CommentDavid PagosProposed · by introduction3:24:59 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:25:01 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Our next speaker is Nenneke Elliott to be followed by Catherine Barsh.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:06 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Sorry, sir? Supervisor Adam

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:25:09 · ≈ 12:25 PM

has a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:09 · ≈ 12:25 PM

question. Let

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:25:10 · ≈ 12:25 PM

me address Mr. Drude. Can you explain why we keep hearing the vibration thing and you just told us there wasn't any vibration?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:25:20 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Yeah. Mr. Chair, Supervisor. With the proposed project, there would be no vibration from what they're proposing. Indeed over the years Southern California Gas has been working with local residents who have complained to them about having vibration impacts from their baseline operations and I understand that Southern California Gas has worked Mobile Home Park and retrofitted some of their foundation and made other repairs to their facilities to try to address that issue.

But in terms of what they're proposing today before your board, we identified in our analysis that there is no potential from the new operations to create any additional vibration impacts.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:26:02 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Okay so there's a baseline of vibration just occurs? That is correct. Okay thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:26:09 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Good morning.

CommentNanaki ElliottProposedself-stated3:26:10 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Morning. I'm Nanaki Elliott, and I live at Rancho Goleta and am also on GADNO, Goleta Against Drilling. I am opposed to amending the Santa Barbara County Article 2 Coastal Zoning Ordinance of Chapter 35 as is this article protects the fragile coastal environment and the safety of its wildlife and citizens If you the board choose to amend this article to allow drilling and expanded storage, I beg to differ with Kevin. I feel like it will open up a Pandora's box to SoCal Gas and other companies in the future that may want to do the same thing here or somewhere else along our protected coast. We're already vulnerable to possible accidents in the channel with other platforms besides Platform Holly and its pipeline to shore.

I don't care what the negligible percentage of incidents SoCal Gas proclaims. It only takes one accident to release hazardous toxins. Witness BP, San Bruno as Rock said and our own 1969 oil spill human error is inevitable. We already have enough pipeline above and underground along the bike path near the airport We're just heard that it may be a one time You know, discount to rate payers. I think that is not a public benefit.

Price fixing and holding back supplies in order to raise rates is a game we know all too well. In 2010 Semper Energy which owns SoCal Gas agreed to pay $410 million dollars to settle claims that it gouged California on electricity contracts that were signed as the state struggled through the energy crisis of 2000-2001. I ask you to please consider carefully your decision and choose the rights of you and your constituency to clean air, clean water, and public safety over the flighty promises of SoCalGas.

We do not need a natural gas bridge to renewables. We already have advanced technology at lower costs than ever before for solar wind and geothermal. Let's move Santa Barbara County into the future with real clean energy and not the unsafe practices of fossil fuel extraction. If Sampra Energy is truly committed to 20% renewables in the next decade, I challenge SoCal Gas to put a solar farm on its 147 acres. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:28:52 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:28:53 · ≈ 12:28 PM

The next speaker is Catherine Varsh to be followed by Madeline Moncheb.

CommentCatherine Vilani BarshProposedself-stated3:28:58 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Good afternoon. I'm Catherine Vilani Barsh and I'm a resident of Rancho Goleta Mobile Home Park. I am very concerned about the safety if this project goes through, and I'm also concerned about the property values. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:29:10 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Thank you. My one mention to be followed by Michael Gray.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:29:19 · ≈ 12:29 PM

I want you to know that I strongly oppose this project. I feel that in 2013, this project is not compatible with the surrounding area. We already have over 20 billion cubic feet of gas stored there and that gas is a source of danger to all of us living near and within SoCal's hazard zone graphs and along an active earthquake zone. I feel there is no long-term benefit to Santa Barbara County to warrant destroying our environment and threatening our lives.

Accidents happen, air pollution is a byproduct of drilling. Drilling uses a vast amount of water. Constant drilling 24 hours a day for months at a time is beyond the human sanity threshold for noise. Noise may be mitigated by sound walls, but will not be silenced. Required 24-hour lighting will be a beacon seen for miles in the Pacific Ocean, the surrounding area and the bird habitat. The United States is now the world's largest gas producer. Domestic production of both oil and natural gas provided the United States with 84% of its energy requirement last year and the United States now produces more natural gas than it can use.

I don't think there is a need to destroy our Santa Barbara environment to help provide fuel to other countries We are a destination tourist area, and we need to protect that and protect our way of life The future is with renewable energy And the SoCal property is a perfect location to establish a solar energy farm which we would all love Socal's property off Moore Ranch Road runs along and across the Atascadero Creek, up to and beyond Route 217, the Sand Spit Road, up to the city of Goleta and the Santa Barbara City Airport. Nowhere in their EIR is this made clear. They do state that all work will be done on their property and have outlined on their EIR with a bold yellow line Only their parcel of land boarded by the Pacific Ocean.

and a Tascadero Creek. Nowhere in their proposal do they state what plans they have for this part of their property. That property is truly a stone's throw from our mobile homes. Please refuse SoCal a permit for the proposed zoning ordinance and change, and give them the opportunity to establish an environmentally safe solar energy farm." And one of the other guys-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:32:05 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Ma'am your time's up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:32:06 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Is it up? Oh, OK.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:32:08 · ≈ 12:32 PM

A little bit over.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:32:08 · ≈ 12:32 PM

OK, thank you. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:32:11 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Michael Gray to be followed by Christine Olakala

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:32:18 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Good afternoon Mr. Chair, members of the commission, members of the board. When you vote to approve this project and inflict its negative impacts on the residents legally you must make a specific finding that there's a public benefit Which justifies changing the law to allow this expansion. CEQA guidelines 15093B require a written statement of overriding considerations. Two public benefits have been identified in the EIR, one is a reduction in rates for gas company customers and second is an increase in storage capacity for the gas company.

These two so-called benefits are an illusion, as I will demonstrate. The following facts regrettably were not presented to the Planning Commission. How much money will you and I and other ratepayers save? At today's price of about four dollars per thousand cubic foot feet of gas, assuming extraction three to five billion cubic feet. The 20 million customers of SoCal Gas would get a one time windfall of about 40 cents or less which is not a public benefit which warrants overriding considerations.

What are the benefits of increased storage capacity? There are currently 2 trillion cubic feet of gas stored in the United States. SoCal currently has 135 billion cubic feet of storage capacity. This project would add 3 to 5 billion cubic feet of capacity to that 135, but actually it will add less because some of the gas must remain in the ground and maintain pressure.

It can't all be emptied out. How long does it take to get gas from somewhere else like Texas to Santa Barbara? If it takes months to get the gas, it might be prudent to have some extra storage here for emergencies. But if all that's needed to happen is for someone to open a valve and let the gas flow, and it would get here in hours or days. What is the public benefit of having a slight amount of extra storage in Santa Barbara?

We don't suddenly run out of gas. Gas companies know ahead of time when supplies are running low and can get more quickly. The tiny amount of extra storage relative to the national supplies logically cannot have a significant effect on price fluctuations. This capacity is not necessary and is not a public benefit which warrants overriding considerations. SoCal Gas currently distributes about 2.5 billion cubic feet of gas per day to its customers. This project would yield just two days worth of gas in exchange for the visual impacts, increased noise and increased danger to the public for years.

The danger is real even though the EIR said it's not significant. Catastrophic accidents do happen as a 2010 gas explosion in San Bruno at BP oil spill in the Gulf have reminded us These recent events occurred despite industry assurances that their activities were safe. Why would their gas company spend their money on this project with such meager profits? Just five more seconds. You got it. They won't pass, won't they pass along their cost to their customers thereby raising rates?

Don't kid yourselves, this would cause significant impact that would not benefit the public in any meaningful way. I and 900 other people have signed a petition to urge you to hold on and keep your current ordinances as they are and not change them. Please do the right thing, then no project alternative is the right choice. Thank you very much

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:35:53 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Mr. Chair. And as a basketball referee I have to say that was way more than five seconds. I'm pretty good at counting seconds but guilty. But I'm glad you finished. Okay, next speaker please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:36:06 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Next speaker is Christine Olakala to be followed by Inga Dora Bjorn's daughter.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed3:36:15 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Chairman board my name is Christina look a lot. I live in Rancho Goleta. I'm opposed to this project for the same reason everybody else who lives there is the hazard to the environment, the safety. I lived there when there was the fire on the gas company property and the eucalyptus trees were burning 50 feet in the air because of a blown transformer You know, it's scary to think of that happening when they're drilling and they're releasing minute amounts of hazardous gas.

I object to drilling 24-7 90 days plus 68. When am I supposed to sleep? I object to the fact there has been no mitigation for the loss of our property values. Can we share in some of this economic benefit? What if we decide to sell our homes during the drilling period? We'll have lost value because of the noise, the drilling, the dust. I agree that we should be focusing on renewable energies And so I ask you to deny these permit changes. And I have one question, there was a comment that about a division nine exclusion which wasn't explained very clearly and I'd like to know more about that.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:37:39 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Okay thank you we'll have somebody get with you afterwards on that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:37:44 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Our next speaker is Inga Dora Bjornsdottir to be followed by Maureen Shields. Then we'll go Maurean Shields? To be followed by Carter Morgan.

CommentMaureen ShieldsProposedself-stated3:37:59 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Board of Supervisors. My name is Maureen Shields. I'm a retired nurse. I live at Rancho Goleta. I've been there about 16 years. And I too am protesting this project and hope that you will not let it go through for the public safety reasons. Mainly my own safety but for the public safety reasons. With all due respect to the EIR reports, the surveys, the statistics, the data Bottom line is nobody knows what will happen once they start drilling and that scares me. I do think that if this project passes, you are opening up Pandora's box to other projects in Santa Barbara County.

Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:38:52 · ≈ 12:38 PM

Thank you. Maureen Shields, to be followed? Pardon me, Carter Morgan to be followed by Richard and I can't read the last name but Humphrey.

CommentCarter MorganProposedself-stated3:39:07 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Good afternoon my name is Carter Morgan. I'm not a resident of La Golita but my wife and I have been residents for about 40 years in the Santa Barbara and Goleta area. We're both local public elementary school teachers and we've raised two daughters here Santa Barbara County is known for its beauty, its open space and maintenance of a healthy natural environment for its residents.

My family and I have spent time walking, running and biking near the area where this new gas drilling is proposed. It's a beautiful area filled with native plants and animals. No doubt a project of this sort obviously has certain potential safety and environmental impacts. So I have two questions for the board. Can the board assure to local residents that there will be no possibility of safety or environmental hazards associated with this project?

And secondly, if the board cannot give these assurances then I would assume there must be overwhelming benefits to the local community. At this point we've only heard of approximately a $1 rate increase. I'd like to hear what other benefits are and why local residents should be supportive of approval of such a project. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:40:19 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:40:20 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Richard? I'm sorry, I could not read that last name to be followed by Donna. Hi my

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed3:40:29 · ≈ 12:40 PM

name is Richard Hummer and I live at Rancho Galena and I've only heard assumptions that the harvesting would be of sweet natural gas and possibly they could hit sour natural gas which can be very lethal so I'd like to know how that would be contained and treated if in fact they did hit sour gas which they have of the Elwood area. Thank you very much.

CommentRondi GuthrieProposed · by introduction3:40:54 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:40:56 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Donna, to be followed by Jay Goolsby?

CommentDonna SundayProposedself-stated3:41:03 · ≈ 12:41 PM

Good morning. My name is Donna Sunday and I wanted to continue on Richard Hummer's path there that I know in the drilling in the Pecora area that there has been quite a bit of sour gas leakage And it seems as though we need to have some sort of plan, a process in place if the Indeed sour gas occurs. I mean, we can't be guaranteed that it's all sweet gas. I think that's pretty clear that we're drilling now instead of 4,000 feet deep, we're going into 10,000 feet.

Which is a whole new area for us. It also seems, I had a question and it seemed to be skimmed over when Miss Fair was asking the question over here about water and drilling through water sources. I would also like to know what does that mean when you're drilling through Water that's naturally in the ground. The other thing I wanted to bring up, and I brought it up last time because it's haunting me... Mr. Steve Radice over here, one of the consultants actually said in the first meeting that we had that he wouldn't want to live there. So I'm very curious as what that means. He wouldn't want to live there because I do live there and I'm very concerned, and if you would address that, I would really appreciate it because I don't know where you all live but would you wanna live there as that occurred or would any of you wanna live there as this whole process was occurring?

It's very concerning as we're speaking about and He's very articulate, and I appreciate that. And I hope that I'm articulate in my feelings as well. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:43:07 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Thank you. Jay Goolsbee to be followed by Alex Favaccio?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:12 · ≈ 12:43 PM

I don't see a Jay Goolsbee. Oh! Here we go. Sorry. Is it Alex? Hi. My name is Jay.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed3:43:23 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Thank you very much. I'm a resident of the Mesa in Santa Barbara. There were oil wells there at one time, as well as carpenteria and there is gas escaping On the Mesa now and in Carpinteria still. I'm glad that more drilling and so forth wasn't proposed like this earlier on the Mesa, wouldn't want to be living next to it. And it seems to me like we're in drilling for oil We're kind of competing with Fresno. Do we want to be more like Fresno? And, or recognize here we're really on the coast and what we need more, what's more valuable really in a way is what short, shortage in the world is water and Santa Barbara especially needs that I know Enron isn't around anymore, but still a lot of their associates are and something that we need to be concerned about as well.

And thank you. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:44:33 · ≈ 12:44 PM

Alex Milacho To be followed by Jordan Porter Good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:44:40 · ≈ 12:44 PM

morning everybody staffers applicants public Thank you all for being here I'd like to first say that I think that everyone here has the best intention for the public and the community, but we also must recognize that the Southern California Gas Expansion Project is Santa Barbara County's blood diamond. Whereas it has been stated in the application for this amendment that hydraulic fracturing is not going to be used in any process during this project, it is imperative that the supervisors look beyond their jurisdictions at the national wide impacts of the expansion project It is understood that the Goleta Southern California Gas Storage Facility imports natural gas. And as it was said earlier, that only 20% of it is actually from California and the rest is from out-of-state, from the Rockies.

And from El Paso. Already in California, we lack regulations and liabilities for the human health risks involved with some of the downside effects of fracking. Furthermore as a primary source I can vow to have seen the negative impacts of fracking as it has occurred throughout the Midwest and in some of these places such as The Rockies. In 2011, I took a bicycle tour from Tennessee to San Francisco. And as I passed through Kansas and eastern Colorado, I began to see some of the negative effects of this.

What you'd see is that towns which had leased out some of their land to allow hydraulic fracturing would later come to find out they could no longer drink their well water anymore and that all of it had to be shipped in. This is direct causation after the hydraulic fracturing And so when we start thinking about this expansion project and though it may not be using hydraulic fracturing in our own county or city for that matter, we have to think beyond that and realize that what we are doing is we are getting gas from places that are putting human health at risk and that are not in consideration of that.

So understand that this is a diamond, blood diamond for that matter. And just think of it this way would you put a diamond on your future spouse's finger knowing that this is where it came from? Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:47:14 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Jordan Porter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:47:15 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Thank you, Supervisor Adam. Thank you Mr. Chair. Mr. Drew do you know of a fracturing site that's had actual water contamination due to scientifically exclusively due to the fracturing?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:47:35 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor in this particular county no. No

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:47:39 · ≈ 12:47 PM

not now I mean anywhere.

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:47:43 · ≈ 12:47 PM

I'm not prepared to answer that question today. I would have to do some research and come back to your board and report that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:47:50 · ≈ 12:47 PM

OK, well in this county?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:47:52 · ≈ 12:47 PM

In this county we only had one fracking proposal, and now we have a fracking provision in our ordinance. And since that was adopted by your board, we have no proposals for hydraulic fracturing in this county for any project. Although we do allow it, it's a discretionary action Excuse me, it's permitted. It's not necessarily allowed. It's a discretionary decision whether your board or the planning commission would even consider it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:48:17 · ≈ 12:48 PM

I understand that but the question was do you know of any situation wherein fracking has caused water contamination?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:48:28 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Adam, we did do some reports to the board back in 2011. We do know that there's a lot of studies going on by the US EPA and by certain states to try to determine whether or not factually as you say has there actually been some impacts? There have been some issues for some of those studies trying to determine whether or not there were impacts.

From hydraulic fracturing, and I won't go into that now. It was reviewed back at that point in time. I think we would need to wait for those studies to come to a climax for any kind of conclusive answer to your question. And until then staff does not have the wherewithal or knowledge to be able to do that independently.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:49:11 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:49:14 · ≈ 12:49 PM

And one more thing, just to make sure that there's been no reported or proven contamination of wells in this county due to hydraulic fracturing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:22 · ≈ 12:49 PM

And Mr. Anthony is there any hydraulic fracture being proposed on this project?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:49:29 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Chair Labonino, members of the board, there is none proposed and of course since it was an action or a concern by many citizens At the Planning Commission, we did amend the language so even in the Coastal Zoning Ordinance it's adamantly clear without the use of hydraulic fracturing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:45 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Great okay thank you all

PresenterJordan Porter I'mneighboring property owner who couldn't be here As I've reviewed the propProposedself-stated3:49:47 · ≈ 12:49 PM

right let's keep going Good afternoon Mr. Chair, Supervisor Adam, Supervisor Wolfe, Supervisor Farr My name is Jordan Porter I'm an attorney here in Santa Barbara and I'm presenting my comments today on behalf of a neighboring property owner who couldn't be here As I've reviewed the proposed project and the environmental impact report, it's clear that the Southern California Gas Company is operating in a zone 4,000 feet deep roughly 300 feet thick for its current storage facility. What this project does is something a little bit different. It's actually targeting a depth of 10,000 feet with its four exploratory production zones. As the Dogger comment letter that's part of the environmental impact report appendix noted, this is a newly discovered pool new formation 6,000 feet below their existing operation.

The project targets production of gas out of this new geologic zone. There's no guarantee that this will be a storage zone. It's not as if you're taking a 4,000-foot deep storage facility and adding an addition to the warehouse. This is more akin to actually creating a new warehouse 6,000 feet deeper. And I raise this point for two purposes that I hadn't seen addressed in the environmental impact report.

First, with respect to the Coastal Zoning Act amendments to allow for exploration and production in a public utility zone. A question comes to mind as to whether Chapter 25 of the Santa Barbara Code which is the Petroleum Code Still has application for this type of activity. In particular, section 25-2 sub C which states it is not the intent of chapter 25 to regulate public utility operations for the storage or distribution of natural gas.

Any drilling therein however shall be subject to this chapter and I would like clarification from staff if that chapter in that section is still in force and effect because that gets into these discretionary drilling permits for production. And our concern is simply that with the change in the public utilities code section, I'm sorry. With the public utilities designation that if this does not become a storage field you could have proposals now under allowed zoning conditions for additional production wells at this depth of this 10,000 foot pool.

Secondarily, because this is a new pool and the assumption is that they'll be producing sweet gas. There is a concern about what happens if there's sour gas found in the field? And sour gas is not unknown in this region and certainly vinegars Elwood operations have encountered sour gas and there's a sour gas contingency plan in place around the Elwood operation to warn the public and shut in the field of sour gases encountered. This is something that's missing from the proposal, what happens if the assumption that we're going to find native sweet gas turns out to be false? Sour gas could be treated at the wellhead but how would that be reported? There is a gas processing plant as part of this project however What happens if sour gas is found needs to be addressed and it's not addressed at all by this.

Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:54 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:52:55 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Our final speaker is Max Golding.

CommentDavid PagosProposed · by introduction3:53:04 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Hi, everyone. I had a death in the family I found out about yesterday so sorry if I'm kind of unkempt and not seeming to together. I agree with Alex Favaccio that this is complicit in fracking. It seems that you Peter Adam have dismissed that on trying to say that fracking doesn't impact water supplies. You can do five minute research for yourself instead of asking them. There's all kinds of proof.

I know you won't do the research though The semantics of the word fracking, EDC lawyer Brian Segee and others I've talked to have said that the word fracking is kind of a nice convenient thing for the industry because there's lots of drilling processes, cyclical steam extraction, horizontal drilling. Hydraulic fracturing, they're all permanently damaging rocks and stuff that's been there for millions of years.

There's renewable energies that don't destroy anything and you're asking the wrong questions. You shouldn't be asking how many parts per million of the carcinogenic chemicals will go into the water. You should be asking why aren't you spending all this money on solar panels in wind farms? This is something, again, you'd have to look up because I'm going to look crazy for saying this. But the natural gas industry has been using psychological warfare operations on US communities since at least 2009 to misinform and confuse residents in communities about the dangers of hydraulic fracturing. I'm not making that up. I didn't come well prepared enough to show you the proof of that but I'm not making that up grounds of climate change Even though natural gas is being touted as the sort of transition energy, there's two studies now.

They're pretty recent studies but fugitive methane is a huge issue and I don't really have time to go into that. They're probably not interested in talking about that because they have interests in not talking about that. This is a horrible idea for climate change, which is not a hoax if any of you are denialists. That's really too bad. SoCal gas... Has connections to Halliburton.

That's just a huge trust issue. Halliburton is one of the worst corporations in the history of corporations. Deborah Reed, who was the president of SoCal Gas at the time of this initial proposal, who is now the president of Semper Energy, SoCal gas being a subsidiary of Semper Energy, was also on the board of Halliburton and Halliburton is responsible for legal loopholes that have allowed fracking to not be regulated under the Clean Water Act Which is why the regulatory process doesn't have as much evidence as it should showing that people are actually getting cancer.

Having to leave where they live because of all this and a general cost and benefit analysis of this versus renewable energy if you consider the environmental and social costs Any new fossil fuel exploration project versus renewable energy, if you say how much is this going to cost you? How many units of energy will you get out of that versus how much would it cost to put in say a solar farm or wind farm somewhere. How many units of energy would you get from that? What are the social and environmental costs? You'd find renewable energy is better so you're asking the wrong questions. Thank you. I respect everything

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:56:14 · ≈ 12:56 PM

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CommentDavid PagosProposed · by introduction3:56:14 · ≈ 12:56 PM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:56:18 · ≈ 12:56 PM

All right We'll give you two minutes to come back up. And if you want to close with anything, we'll do that now. Otherwise, we'll just take it back to the board for questions and...

CommentSteve IsgroProposedself-stated3:56:37 · ≈ 12:56 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair, Supervisors. Just a couple of responses on the sour gas issue. The project is set up that if sour gas is found that the project will stop. So sour gas cannot be produced based on this project? There was another question about drilling through water sources. The division of oil and gas regulates both the design of wells, the drilling completion, all that. We use drilling muds to push back and not only do they make a wall cake to protect those zones from additional fluids going in but once you drill below your lowest point of your aquifer you cement pipe in so that the rest of the drilling operations won't affect that.

I think that's all I have. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:57:27 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Okay, thank you very much. Questions of the board or discussion? Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:57:34 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Just a question for staff. I had an opportunity to speak with the mayor of Goleta yesterday and I was wondering did you get...I thought that there was an official comment letter from the city of Goleta and can you mention what the context was of that and the response

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:57:57 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolf we indeed have a letter it was similar to the letter that we received at the Planning Commission level as well they were very interested in and Having your board hear out the concerns of some other constituents who are in the audience today And that was the primary and really only concern in that letter That they have the forum to express their concerns and that you take their concerns seriously

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:58:22 · ≈ 12:58 PM

But that what were there any comments from them to the EIR?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:58:28 · ≈ 12:58 PM

I see none. Oh, I'm sorry. In this particular letter they did comment on the EIR and in conversations with their planning staff indicated to us that they believe we addressed their comments adequately. Okay do you recall

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:58:47 · ≈ 12:58 PM

what the comment was? Was it traffic related?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:58:50 · ≈ 12:58 PM

They commented on all of the issue areas within the document. Comprehensive letter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:58:55 · ≈ 12:58 PM

Alright thank you. And they were satisfied with the response?

CommentJay GoolsbyProposed · by introduction3:58:58 · ≈ 12:58 PM

That is my understanding.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:59:03 · ≈ 12:59 PM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolff, I have had verbal communications with the Goleta Planning staff to verify that they have been satisfied with the responses to the comments on the draft EIR.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:59:23 · ≈ 12:59 PM

All right. Without any further discussion is there a motion? **

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:59:29 · ≈ 12:59 PM

I just have a couple of comments. We were, we just received these revised comments to condition two, condition three which were both discussed and thank you, you also included condition 33 Were things that we had discussed yesterday, which was the inclusion of The fire department and the office of emergency management as far as That was condition 33 of prevention control and The countermeasure plan so I appreciate you Reminding me of that issue. So we have Three condition changes I'll just make a few comments and This is difficult for me.

This is in my district, the issues that you folks have raised resonate with me. The issue of fracking which we hear today, we heard at the planning commission, fracking will not occur with this proposal. Supervisor Farr brought to this board a while back the issue of fracking and this board took action. We understand the concerns of fracking in a community.

For me personally, I'm concerned about the impact on water, the chemicals that may or may not be used, the information that's being provided to the community That's why I supported the ordinance that we passed on fracking. And I believe we're one of the only counties in the state of California that has such an ordinance, mainly because it is so important to us.

The issue of living where you do next to Southern California gas. You know, I don't mean to sound... You're living next to a facility that is inherently, you know, I don't know if the word dangerous is the right word but there are certainly some issues I understand. I grew up in Playa Del Rey, right next to a gas plant and I remember as a young girl in the middle of the night there was an alarm and my parents had to wake us up and we had to leave.

And Playa Del Rey, as many of you know is right close to the ocean and adjacent to LAX. So it seemed very similar when I went out and I visited the Mobile Park facility before being next to a gas facility and having huge airplanes flying overhead. It wasn't it wasn't perfect, but that's where my parents chose to raise us and Growing up there. I love the community that we lived in I think that the proposed project You know it's been on my radar for many years and I, as an elected official, there may be one way that I would like to vote.

But when I see the record and I look at the project that's before us, I look at the amount of public input that's been gathered, the revisions to our EIRs particularly to the noise piece The fact that this is a temporary drilling procedure. The history, the safety history and precautions, the number of agencies that have looked at this project Again as much as I would like to just on theoretical grounds deny it, I can't do it because I don't have the...I really am convinced that the proposal that is in front of us Is one that you know I have to I have to choose my words carefully because is is one that is.

Can I say safe? You know, I don't know. Life is not generally safe but you know do I feel comfortable with what I see in this report? Yes I do and a lot of the questions that I've had have been answered. I feel that with these revised conditions I feel much more secure with the timing that these drilling rigs are going to be off-site as proposed, and it was just too fuzzy before.

So I will move staff's recommendation. And by the way, I want to thank staff for the work that you've done, the time that you've taken with me and my staff And the community and I know that many of you are going to leave here disappointed. But, I just want you to know that your voices and your concerns have been heard. Let me just say one more thing. After the San Bruno accident, I spoke to Mr. Mahoney about for me a better understanding of our gas system in the county and my district in particular. And we had a meeting here with our emergency operations staff and some of his engineers Subsequent to that, they held a safety meeting downtown and I think it was for all fire departments.

And I went with my staff and listened to that meeting as they were talking to the professionals. And for me, it gave me a sense that they know the concerns. They're on top of it. Do I feel totally comfortable that something bad isn't going to happen? No, I just don't. But I want to make sure That there are lines of communication that are open with our emergency folks, with our fire department. So that if something terrible happens there is an immediate response and That's what I think we have tried to accomplish in here, and this is a big step because God help us if anything happens. I just do not want anything to happen. Ever, ever. I just don't want anything bad to happen and I feel that your staff out there understands this and takes this job very seriously.

So I'm

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:07:20 · ≈ 1:07 PM

going to make a motion. Thank you. Comment from Supervisor Farr?

CommentMr. Chitillo YouProposed · by introduction4:07:24 · ≈ 1:07 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair, I would like to make some comments as well but I will second the motion and first of all I want to say that in Santa Barbara County we have had a long history of oil and gas development in all parts of the county and it still goes on and these facilities, a lot of them have been here since the turn of the last century They are grandfathered in.

The community has grown around them over time and while we could wish that they weren't there anymore, in most cases they were here before the residential development came in. I know many years ago I lived in Winchester Canyon area and We had to deal with issues with what's now the Venico plant there, which is sandwiched between Santa Piper Golf Course and now the Bacara. And the public beach in the same way that this is next to the public beach.

So the existing level of concern, the level of danger which there always is with any kind of oil and gas facility of any type is certainly real. But when projects like this come forward we have to look at what the project increased is going to be to that level of risk. And if it does increase that, how we can best mitigate that. And I was on the planning commission years ago. I looked these projects over extremely carefully like Supervisor Wolf as a resident of the community and very, very concerned about these kinds of changes. But I have to say in this case that I think that what the gas company is intending to do, what we are requiring of them to do as far as updating fire requirements, safety plans, traffic plans for those short term construction impacts.

are as good as I have seen for any of this kind of project. So again, do we wish that this was someplace else? You bet. But it's not. It's been here in some fashion since 1941 And at this point in time, while I totally agree with all the comments about increased building of renewables and use of renewables. We're certainly not there yet and this kind of facility is still very much needed.

So I think that I'm prepared to support the motion including with the revised conditions. Thank you Mr Chair Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:10:14 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Thank you on this quick comment just to clarify Mr chair at the supervisor fire made it clear that it was with revised conditions and I want to know what's part of the motion thank you okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed4:10:26 · ≈ 1:10 PM

so that's conditions 2 3 20 and 33 mr. chair

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:10:32 · ≈ 1:10 PM

that's what I thought yeah doesn't there okay My just quick comment is, for those in Supervisor Wolf's district is unfortunately we don't issue guarantees up here. We can't. Human beings by nature there are mistakes that happen if we live by that rule we would never build a road, we would never build a bridge, we would never build an airport. And what we do do is when we do have a situation like this, we require documentation.

And I don't know how many pages this is but I think it's very complete. It's addressed a number of the issues. I think part of what sells me is that the fact that and a lot of the issues that were brought up one fracking there's no fracking here to vibration. The study shows there isn't any The one item that really still stuck with me is the safety issue. And that's always going to be with us, whether you live near an airport or a freeway.

I'm up in North County we have our own issues up there so I respect a tough decision was made and I will support that as well. Well, I should just call for the question because let's go. Okay we've had a motion it's been seconded all those in favor.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:12:04 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Wait one second because I think you mentioned an additional condition. I have condition two three And 33. Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed4:12:15 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Chair and Supervisor Wolf, as part of the presentation Mr. Drude pointed out a change to Condition 20 to clarify the rainy season. So there we go very good that's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:12:28 · ≈ 1:12 PM

it. Mr Drude tried to change the rainy season here which he wasn't able to do. All right so we have a motion it's been seconded all those in favor?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:12:36 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Aye.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:12:37 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Motion passes unanimously we will now recess to closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:12:42 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. On your closed session agenda this afternoon you have conference with legal counsel existing litigation, Ernest Del Rio v. County of Santa Barbara. You have Tom Pappas et al. v. State of California et al. You also have conference with labor negotiators, county negotiators Chandra Waller and Jerry Muth, employee organizations, county sheriff's managers association And then your board sitting as the Santa Barbara County Public Authority for in-home supportive services. We'll have a conference with labor negotiators, with Ms. Waller and Mr. Nielsen as accounting negotiators. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:13:49 · ≈ 1:13 PM

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