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Yes, everybody. Everybody looks good. We're all equally looking good. All right. Good morning. Convene this meeting of the Board of Supervisors, our third budget workshop. Mr. Allen can we have a roll call please?
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Mr. Adam, Mr. Carbajal, Ms. Wolfe, Ms Farr, Mr Lavinino.
Okay, we're going to start with general public comment. I believe we have a couple of speakers. Mr. Allen?
We're going to start with Mr. Caldwell and then we have Shane Stark to follow up.
Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing COLAB. You know, I had to miss yesterday afternoon's presentations because of the radio show but one of the things I wanted to bring up that we're getting a lot of complaints from people down here primarily in the city of Santa Barbara with regard to the homeless situation and I wrote an op-ed this week that I'm going to kind of reveal the gist of it to you. This is no secret, but there's a lot of people that want to put pressure on the Santa Barbara City Council and the Santa Barbara Police Department to do more to enforce vagrancy laws, aggressive panhandling, and a bunch of other things.
And I do believe the police department should be more involved in doing that. And it's coming to the point where people are canceling leases in Santa Barbara because they don't want their customers or their company having to deal with these issues, so it's a really serious problem not just for the tourists and the customers but for the actual business owners.
But what's lost on a lot of people in the city of Santa Barbara Is it been when the police department does issue a citation if they do arrest somebody. The rest of its on you. The jail, probation, social services, alcohol, drug and mental health services. What the county does in response to that complaint will determine whether or not that person's just right back on that doorstep or in that back alley the very next day.
Or whether they're shuffled through some system and come out the other end a responsible citizen or at most we can hope for. We're going to be focusing on this issue in this next year. And to tell you the truth, I met with some SEIU board members a few weeks ago and one of them worked for the Public Defender's Office and she was telling me about a program that they can take some of these people down to LA and get free treatment. It's a fairly successful program.
If that's true, and I asked her for an opportunity to follow up with her. If that's true, I don't know why we don't have a bus going down there. For the people that would be willing to receive treatment. So the bottom line, this is an issue, this is another issue where I know that there's been a homeless task force. I know that I think President Bush or somebody else or Clinton was going to end homelessness in ten years and we had this big ta-da meeting. And I've always said if they don't want to get better, we can't make them get better with existing laws. And we may end up having to come to that asking that our laws be changed. Thank you.
Jane Stark.
I didn't realize you were so tall. Good morning, Mr. Chair and members of the board. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm here this morning representing the Education Fund of the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara. As you know—I assume you know—there's an election on June 3rd coming up And I just wanted to announce that the league is holding a candidates forum on Wednesday, April 23rd. It should be two weeks from today if I can still count. April 23rd from 6-9pm at the Goleta Valley Community Center 5679 Hollister Avenue in the city of Goleta Old Town to be exact.
The forum will include both candidates for second district supervisor And both candidates for county sheriff. It will be taped and available on the league's website, and potentially I assume on cable TV. The forum promises to be lively informative. The public is welcome. I hope people show up. We're not, I should point out, not doing a pros and cons explanation of ballot measures for this election.
There are two important measures On the June ballot of particular interest to folks concerned with local government state proposition 42 which probably know about which requires in the state Constitution. Governments to comply with open meeting and public records laws, and makes it optional for the state to reimburse counties. It should be in cities for new mandates under those laws. And County Measure M-2014 as I'm sure you know since you've been debating it quite a bit. The county facilities maintenance ordinance very important for this county. I would like to say in the minute that I have left, a few words about the initiative process.
Voting on a measure, particularly legislation is not like voting for candidate. When you vote for a candidate, you vote in part with your heart. You think about whether you trust the person, whether you believe them and there's an emotional connection. When you vote on a measure, you're making a law. It can't be easily changed which calls for careful Calm, reasoned consideration of the facts. What it'll do, what it will cost and what are the alternatives? Please I'm talking to the voters now please read the ballot material carefully before you vote with respect to measure M before you vote study the text the arguments pro and con And particularly, the impartial analysis by the County Council and the fiscal impact statement on it from the auditor.
An informed vote is a good vote. Good luck with the budget process. Hope you do well. Hope to see at the forum. All right.
Thank you Mr. Stark. All right we'll now move on to our departmental budgets Support services. Our first one is our audit controller, Mr. Guice.
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Morning Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. I'd like to just first start and recognize my staff, and we'll just use our org chart here. Myself, Theo, Julie who is in the audience, Heather Fletcher, our internal audit manager, Mike Struven, our financial applications division chief, Betsy, our financial reporting division chief. Amy, who is working on the Almentum Project and is in our computer section. Holly Renzi new to our office took Jennifer Christian's place who moved up to the treasurer tax collector.
Ed Price, our expert in property taxes. Nancy Doherty, who was our payroll division chief, who took the place of Tony McDonald, who got a transfer out to Montecito Sanitary District. And Katie Roth, who was also new to our division and took the right place of Greg Levin. And so we have three new division chiefs, a little bit of change in the organization. My success is all about their success. May seem like we have a lot of high level people on our department and we do. We operate with little pods, you know, a division chief, a supervisor, a couple of staff and were really effective In that way, internal audit right now has a division chief, a supervisor and one staff. Lowest level we've ever been in internal audit in my career that I know we only have three people working there.
Heather's still doing a good job and we're going to go out on campus and we're going to recruit new auditors which is the theme of our budget request here. So let me start with, I was trying to think of a quote and I went through my Deming book which is our management philosophy. And I said well I got plenty of quotes in there but anyone taken by themselves doesn't really make a lot of sense and maybe if I have some time at the end we'll finish with a little Deming. But I decided to take a different quote and this is from my wife's grandfather and I'm gonna relate My budget presentation today to his definition of the secret to a good sermon. The secret to a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending, and to have them as close together as possible.
Well maybe they can figure that out. No, my wife's grandfather was George Burns and so her grandmother is Gracie Allen. So he has plenty of great quotes you can go get. The second thing I want to do is say okay what are we requesting? We're going to start where we're going to end. In our budget we have four positions we're requesting two senior accountants And to entry-level accountants and so I went to know it and I said hey we're going to ask for 4 positions in you know she kind of gave me that good counseling of a new County executive will maybe next year.
And you know realizing there's not a lot of money to spend around so I re synthesize that and said OK we'll put in a formal request for two entry-level accounts because we think that would be very good for the organization to enter into our new training and development program. And they're also our cheapest staff, and we get after you see what was happening yesterday about UCSB, we recruit great people out of UCSB and Cal Poly, and so that other anomaly going on out there is not reflective the people to enter the county workforce.
If you look around this room, there's a few people that entered the county workforce that way. Betsy, Melinda, Rochelle and Jennifer came in a little different route but they were in the auditor's office. Carrie Topliff our department head at child support, auditor's office, Julie from the auditor's office JJ from the Otters Office New Training and Development Program. So we've been successful to bring people into the otters organization and push them up into the departments.
Supervisor Adam has a question. Are you sure that if we checked everybody's Facebook there wouldn't be any pictures of any of these people up on signs or anything like that?
So let me give you another, I have a sister-in-law also in the movie business. And she was at our house a few years ago and I asked her about a movie that she had filmed. And I said hey Kathy that movies coming out how'd you do? She said I ended up on the cutting room floor. And in this budget process normally when the auditor comes and says I want a couple of accountant auditors and we compare ourselves into the final tally when you're doing your wish list We frequently end up on the cutting room floor. And I'd say, you know probably 95% of the time we're on the cutting room floor so with that let me go ahead and talk about our slides. Our first slide is $8 million.
And you know, you go well what does an auditor do for $8 million? I was looking at those budgets yesterday. $102 million, $80 million, $72 million, $10 million. I go God we don't have very much budget for the auditor and back when I ran in 1991 we were trying to say well what does the auditor really do? In its simplest form, we manage the county's checkbook We record every single deposit that comes into the county. We record every single transaction that goes out of the county, either I'm signing the check or we're processing the electronic transit transaction going out and then includes all those big budgets like social services mental health.
All their transactions are coming through it. We're expected to understand all those transactions and be accountable for all those transactions. Every social services claim that goes to the federal and state government, we're signing. Every mental health services claim that goes to the state government, we're signing. And some of those had some big paybacks. How much staff do we have to really understand what mental health is proposing to do in those huge transactions? In changing the way they're delivering services and changing their billing to Medi-Cal. We need to be able to understand that, so in addition to the county's checkbook we're taking all the property tax money in 626 million were distributing to other taxing entities. And we're taking a lot of other state and federal transactions and distributing them to other entities like SB CAG.
You know, we account for about 15 special districts on our books just running their general ledger. And so it's complicated what we do and we're not running just 800 million but you know, we're running probably 1 or 2 billion. Oh, we have a relationship with the county education office. All the county education office transactions run through the treasury and the auditor's office.
All of their cash and checks, just the cash part of the business. They came to me the other day and said hey we're going to switch financial systems. I go that's going to create a lot of workload for us because they've got to redo all their interfaces. And so that's another theme about what I want to talk to you guys about today is we inherit workload. When the feds change a program, we change our program. When the state changes those allocations, we have to understand them and we have to account for them differently. When you build a new North County jail and get two significant grants, we have to understand those grant agreements, sign off on those grant agreements, and make sure we get our receivables when it starts the construction process.
So that's kind of one of the things that we get new workload all the time, but we don't get staff to cover that new workload. We're covering our core and then we have a responsibility to do the rest. So let's keep going Theo. You know mostly we're general fund. We used to apply some cost allocation revenue to this. We'll get to that on the next slide. You can see down below we kept the cost allocation revenue And you see we were going down this year, and if we were still going under some old rules where we didn't take that into the general fund, we'd be doing cuts. And that was happening to a lot of departments. The cost allocation goes up and down. You can see it go up and down. And in some years you get your ear to the good and some years to the bad.
And we decided that for the service delivery departments, that wasn't very healthy in the budget process. So we've brought that money into non-department revenue. Next slide. We do in the future, you know we're using one-time revenue to balance our budget out of our auditor's automation budget but like this year we're scheduled to use it but we have vacancies again, we have turnover, we probably won't have to make that draw and we still have a balance that we need to staff up to and this year we plan to staff up to our levels and really draw on that balance.
In summary, I used to think God how do we survive with those kinds of cuts? And then I look at the cuts that all the other departments have on their charts and I just kind of sit and think wow. This organization has really taken a lot of cuts but one of the things that happens to us is when those cuts happen in other departments Things flow back to us. What they used to do, they can't do and somebody has to do some of those things so sometimes I feel like I'm a sanitation district it's all flowing downhill.
We audit sanitation districts just a little joke. So here's some of our accomplishments. You know, for four years we've been working with the Treasury tax collector to put in a momentum. The good news is we couldn't get it done in November. We're having very nice success right now. We're through five, we're in the fifth week of our what they call user acceptance testing. We plan to go live in August. We think we have a very high chance and it's gonna work.
And we'd like to get that project Completed so we can take back some of our staff. When we did this project, we didn't ask you for any more staff. And that's pretty unusual when you put in a major system like this. Usually, you go staff 10 new people. We did it, Harry dedicated five, I've dedicated five and we're pulling this off. Another little thing we did is here's a good example of housing and community development. We found out there's 40 million in outstanding loans. They put a list together, we help them audit the list. We put in a procedure now to monitor that list of how they should execute and go collect money off those receivables. There's probably some availability of collecting money back on those loans, we have a self-interest in this.
Those loans aren't on our financial statements and we have to make the decision are they the kind of loans that we should be booking on our financial statement? And then have procedures in place to monitor and account for the annual activity on those loans. We continue to work on budget development, we're sitting in the audience because we're listening to you guys today. We're hearing what you're saying about changes you want to make. We are digesting some of those changes and will work with that county executive office to help make those changes. And let me just tell you I didn't say thanks to the County Executive Office They've pulled off these hearings without a lot of our help this time. We got distracted doing some other things, Betsy was out for a little bit and so they really pulled off the first hearing and these hearings without a lot of assistance from us.
So they really stepped up where we couldn't help them as much as we were in the past. You know, we initiated development Our time card system, that's a project we're just kicking off. We have kicked it off before but you know we have a good employee self-service system and a good department network system. And we're in the process of upgrading those and redoing the 14 year old time card system. We've brought some fair labor standards problems to your board.
The time card system should help us track that over time. We continued enhanced reporting to the board on external monitoring at departments and lost property. In the next month or two, you're gonna see a couple of reports come back to the board one on the lost property. And the second one is gonna be on the progress we've made on redoing how we're processing contracts. That's a joint effort with the CEO and the county council.
So what are our objectives? What we're really good at in the auditor is we recruit and hire well-qualified staff. We want to conduct a recruitment for a new class of accountant auditors, we've been doing that since about 1991 over 75 people we've hired out of college. We take them through and rotate them through our department. We encourage staff performance.
It's all about this Deming management philosophy. In audit, you know we're going to focus on completing our mandated audits, training staff, continuing to improve reporting to the board and then, you know, we just jump in and help departments. I'll talk about one. You know, we have this OIG audit coming around and that's one of the projects they wanted us to concur, sign off And we said, hey they need some significant help from our office. So I jumped in and helped write that report really was my focus to say, hey that's $3.1 million. And if we don't write this response right, we're not going to recover that 3.1 million so we joined forces with them. I pulled a couple of people out of my specialty accounting division, that wasn't enough. I went and got Heather and her staff out of internal audit.
We brought the army in. We helped them rewrite the response. It's in final draft with county council and the CEO. And so that's just where we feel responsible to jump in and go help. Accounting services, hey we maintain 65 applications and they're complicated. And we got a lot of staff working on the property tax so we're maintaining these but it's important and we have good applications. We distribute the 768 million in property taxes and let me tell you, property tax is complicated.
That RDA dissolution stuff that, you know there's another example. Hey they gave us money for administrative costs of RDA dissolution but we couldn't go out and hire staff to go do that. We had to use existing staff that understood those property tax laws to help implement the RDA dissolution and our county did a great job on that with the seven oversight boards. You know our next year we want to go live in the property system.
There's a position to give general services a cost analyst for the North County Jail Project. I think they need it, but that doesn't mean that the work of the auditor's office will go away. We'll still have to help them. It's going to take them awhile to get up to speed. For the first two years of that grant we've done all the budgets We're reviewing every transaction. We set up their chart of accounts, we set up their fund structure. We got to do it for the new grant and it takes our collective expertise at the top to do something complicated like that. And we're still in the process of doing that and working close with general services and working close with their project management staff who really are the key to tracking those costs and making that come in on time.
You know financial reporting We've always done a stellar job with our CAFR, our budget, our cost allocation plan. But a good example on the cost allocation plan is the federal government changed the rules. The OMB put out new rules and said you have to depreciate all your assets now. You cannot use the old method of allocating your cost by the use allowance method. And so we always used the use allowance method. Now we got to change our whole system.
And then we provide the Board of Supervisors, CEO and management with the necessary financial information. Keep going. We're going to assist departments in the complex allocations of interagency revenues AB 109 comes about. Realignment 2011 comes about, they changed 1991 realignment. We have to change all our allocations, all that money flows through us and then so I think we're done with this slide as kind of a repeat. Our performance measures, one of the things I'd like you to take a look at in the back of our book when you get a time and you want to look at our performance measures. We kinda did something a little bit different where we have our five goals of our department in there and we're trying to relate our performance measures to those goals So I would just say you should, if you get a chance to look at the back of our book.
But we want to do our mandatory audits. We want to distribute taxes to all the 36 entities and we want to get our specialty accounting to do all our complex distributions. One of our performance measures people used to laugh at it. And we used to say, well, we want to do 26 payrolls on time. And people from the outside said, well what are you measuring that for?
Well it's kind of a statistical measurement about what we're trying to do and if we don't do those 26 on time You're going to be in deep trouble with the employees and the federal government for not paying your taxes on time. And it has big tax consequences, so you can't lose sight of that's got to be some of your top priority. You better staff payroll and you better do it right and you better do it accurately. So the other thing about a performance measure is You want to bring things into statistical control, and you can be measuring something so that you know that your organization is doing it properly. And it also helps you to describe the service that you're delivering.
We're doing these popular reports. We love our popular reports. We think that provides a lot of insight. And then we've been working on getting more of our staff with professional designations, not only CPAs. But if we have certified payroll professionals, we want them to do that. Deming says spend 2% of your budget on training. We've never got the 2%, but we do invest in training of our department.
The auditor doesn't have any service level reductions, thank you. We are requesting for two accountant auditor positions. They join our new auditor training and development program in two years. Theoretically we'll recover some of this cost from the federal and state programs so in two years the costs will be half of that. We think that our optimal level of staffing in this reduced environment is about 52 employees. And we would like to hire another financial accounting analyst and another senior accountant in addition to these two FTEs.
And so I think I went a little long-winded. So, I was going to read you the management philosophies of the Auditor Controller's Office which I'll just read you the opening paragraph which is our office has been profoundly influenced by the management philosophies of the late Edward Deming through Dr. Deming's work is difficult to summarize in a few sentences we hope you will see some of the key components at work in our department and that is the lead into all our employees for our employee manual So when they come into the department, we start teaching them Deming. They don't get it at first, you know? It's about focusing on cooperation. It's about the measurement focus and doing performance measurement. It's about working together It's not about the employees making errors.
It's really about the systems that we're employing, that we want to constantly improve and our employees working in You know, with high standards of accountability and cost-effective ways. And we want to constantly develop our human resources which is what our new auditor training development program is about. Bringing the kids out of college, rotate them through the divisions, get them a broad array of experience in the auditor's office and they kind of grow up to be Assistant department heads, department heads. And that's kind of our mentoring and training program from the financial section. With that I'll take any questions.
Supervisor Carbajal? I hope we don't get on the cutting room floor because my staff said you've got to go sell this!
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Mr. Geist, if I was watching this, I'd say I want to work for you if I was an auditor. I think you do a great job and it's amazing how you've been able to do it with adapting to new systems. I've been around for a little bit longer than I've been elected here, and I just think you do an extraordinary job. And I think your approach to government is similar to county councils.
The better we're able to do our work and We prevent problems down the road. And I just think you do an extraordinary job, so I just wanted to say that.
Supervisor Farr?
Thank you Mr. Chair. Well thank you Mr. Geis for that presentation. I think that we all know how much your department does but it's good to hear about it again and there's a couple things I want to thank you in particular for one is those wonderful public documents that you put out They're so well done they're attractive. They have a lot of information in there so easily understood by the public and it's really helpful when we got speak in the community to have those with us and say here you know, here's this document you can get it I know that my office has worked with you on a number of issues, and you and your staff are always very responsive and helpful.
I know that periodically issues come up to do with our special districts, some of the smaller districts and the audits. And you've helped us with those. But I have a special thanks for you and your staff for the whole dissolution of RDA, and particularly in Isla Vista because you've helped so much with that. And I know that you will on into the future, and not just because of the accounting side but because you know Isla Vista and you care about Isla Vista and its future, and that has made all the difference. So thank you for the great work that you and your staff do.
Very good. Supervisor Wolfe?
Thank you, Mr. Chair and thank you, Mr Geis. I wish someone had a quote for being a great leader and that's what you are. And I think your staff obviously sees that and appreciates it. I know I do sitting up here. And I think one of the qualities for you is leading this ship and not taking credit for everything that goes on. And as has already been said, there's a lot of credit to go around to your office. And I think you made a really interesting statement about our CEO's office about the fact that she and her staff kind of carried the load to get us through these hearings. And, I just want to thank you for that.
So I think what you do, what your office does is you shed light on things like that and on the multi-million dollar budgets that our other departments are utilizing. So I thank you and I thank your staff for everything that they've done. And I really do appreciate it.
Supervisor Abbott? And I will just agree simply with everything everybody else said. Well done.
And if I don't say something, I'm going to look really bad. No you won't. It's nice to have and I don't want to call you the elder statesman but a statesman. No, no, I am. In the county it's traditional. It is nice to have somebody that has all the historical knowledge that you do in this county and I don' know what your future plans are but just want to let you know we're not going to let you retire any time soon because You would be practically impossible to replace, so we really appreciate all the work you guys do. And make sure you continue to keep payroll on time. That's also a benchmark that I have. I look and make sure it's in.
Supervisor?
You know, the only thing I will say Mr. Geis is that I was looking at the pictures that you started out your presentation with. And my wife has the same comment. Now once you know, I've been accused of using my high school picture at this age and that's all I'm going to say.
I'll just say Betsy was sitting next to me in that picture and so she got cropped out of it but... But my wife made the same comment about that picture so we'll have to update it. We all do the same thing don't worry about it. Just two comments about You know, I want to make sure we there are people that can replace me. I am replaceable. We have other great leaders in our department and all my staff you know leads we all practice this Deming stuff and you know outside our department We really mean it. We want the whole county to be successful, we want the CEO to be successful, we want general services to be successful. We want the sheriff to build that North County jail and we wanted to come in on budget. That's all the stuff that we want to do.
We want housing and community development to thrive. And you know, we want to get out from under what was happening at mental health and That's kind of what we're there and we'll jump in where we have to so thanks for all the great very much supervisor will
I've got a question for. Funding the accountant position for the North County Jail has been talked about and where it should be housed. Has there been any consideration to putting a position in the auditor's office to oversee the full operation of that?
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Supervisor Wolf, through the chair. That's exactly the conversation we've been having that we do recognize there is a need for the position for the project duration and I've spoken to Mr. Geis and Mr. Pontes about that. That was my preference to put it in the auditor's office. It doesn't help the auditor's office in their other work but it would make that close connection with their office given the regulations of fulfilling the grant requirements.
You know that the other thing about where to place accountants in the organization is sometimes it's good if you get them closer You know, rub here is they have a project management staff that's responsible for you know those architectural costs and running those architectural lines and then the construction and doing the construction inspection. So you go well where's the accountant desk? Over there in general services working closely with that group Or over in our office and today to tell you the truth we're working together as a team so wherever that person is placed. We wanted to be the most effective for the organization and I debate that myself too.
I'm
going to leave it up to all of you then. Thank you.
Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing Colab. I think if you go back probably almost every year for 10 to 15 years during the budget hearings especially before the budget book was gutted we pointed out the auditor controller's office was in our estimation the best managed office in the county. Unfortunately, that's some of the data that's not in the budget book any longer that demonstrated that. And one of the things that we've asked a number of years back and hearing you say these same things this year that we've been saying for a long time. We keep asking the question why don't you expand The role of the auditor controller to include management training for other departments and or Increase their ability to audit and use one of the audits as management training and things like that, i.e., don't let just have them audit financials, have them audit how well those organizations are being run for crying out loud it we keep wondering if somebody like guys had been in charge of mental health Would we have been spending an extra $20 million over the last couple of years?
It's a realistic question. We've had some real stinkers as department heads. I remember the year when one department didn't even know how many properties the county owned, let alone was managing those properties. Do you remember that? There's been some embarrassing people that were paying 150 to That we set packing because they didn't know what they were doing. And here you got a guy that other departments robbed his departments for people, but we limit his budget and we limit his scope of authority even though he's an elected official.
I think his scope of authority in the county should be expanded and specifically Under the audit, I think you got three auditors for the department. So we've got three people auditing $800 million worth of expenditures. That's absolutely ridiculous in terms of the ability to Catch waste, fraud and abuse. And then of course that doesn't include the special districts. How many of these cemetery district guys or water district guys did we end up reading about in crime reports because they ripped off the district? Well he's their auditor.
So it's not just the county function but that brings up the last point We don't know to what degree the auditor controller in the county charges all these other entities for the work his office is doing and the next couple of departments. The county should not be serving the school districts for free, and they shouldn't be serving some of these other special districts for free either. We'd like to see a breakdown of who gets charged how much versus how much it costs us to provide those services. Thank you.
That's it for public comment. We'll now move to the clerk recorder assessor, Mr. Holland.
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Good morning. Chairman Lavagnino, members of the board. First I'd like to start off by saying I agree with everything everybody said about Bob Geis. He's a great guy and he's helped me a lot with my career and it's good to know we have a department like that that we can rely on when we need assistance. Okay, well I'm going to probably make this a little shorter than Mr. Geis also.
First off, I'd like to start off by introducing some of my staff. We have Melinda Green on the right here, Chief Deputy Clerk Recorder. Rose Rodarte is a Division Manager in charge of the budget. Renee Bischoff, as many of you know is our Elections Division Chief Deputy and Keith Taylor is the Chief Deputy Assessor for the department. Okay our total budget is $15.6 million dollars.
The general fund contribution is About 9.7 million of that, 60% of the total. We have 95.4 budgeted positions and we're still using one time use funds of 546,000. Next slide. And then here you can see broken out the 60% of the general fund contribution. The charges for services is basically recorder fees and reimbursements for election services primarily from cities, and then there's also some property tax administration fees in there which are monies that are charged to cities and special districts for actually administering the property taxes.
Next slide. And there you can just see the general trend upwards for the general fund contribution. And there's a use of the one-time monies, you can see that at one point we were up around 1.9 million and so we've got that down to about 3.3% or the 546 thousand. And there you can see the staffing summary for the entire department. We were at a peak of about 118 full-time employees, we're now down to 95.4.
Of particular concern there is the assessor division We were at 83 funded positions. We are now down to 68, so that's an 18% decrease in the assessor division. That's 15 bodies that we no longer have available to assist with the assessor work.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sorry to interrupt you, Mr. Holland. On slide four and I do recall this we had an increase in our general fund contribution almost a million dollars. And then if you look to the staffing summary on slide six, we see an increase in FTEs. Can you remind me What those So
this is slide four supervisor wolf
This that's my slide for so there's the increase in general fund Contribution there and then if you go to slide six, which is the FTS? so You see an increase from 92 to 95 Mm-hmm. Can you just remind me what those three positions are for were those in the assessor's department or
I believe they were in the assessor's division, correct? Correct.
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Okay, and then we go on to accomplishments The accomplishments for the department, for elections. We expect to conduct of course the June 3rd primary election and certify the results by the 28th day following the Election Day. Of course that has not happened yet but we do anticipate that to be an accomplishment. In clerk recorder, we remodeled the severely underutilized area on the second floor of the Hall of Records. So this space is now available for wedding ceremonies and staff meetings.
And then for the Assessor Division, we are striving to finish 97% of all the assessments by the June 30th roll close deadline.
Mr. Holland? Yes. I think Supervisor Wolf has a good point here.
It's actually June 3rd. Oh yes. I
meant to point that out.
She knows exactly what day it is.
That was a typo in there.
I'm going June 3rd or 10th. No
no
no. We're saying the third.
Yeah, you know it's interesting. I have the ballot right here and we have 15 candidates for governor on this ballot We have nine Candidates for lieutenant governor 9 I think candidates for Congress And there's only one candidate for fifth district supervisor.
I did my best to get nine in there But what can you do?
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Okay, for the elections we are for objectives for the upcoming year. We are of course looking forward to conducting the November 2014 general election. For the clerk recorder, we are doing a complete assessment of all the archived records to ID those records that need restoration. And then for the assessor division, we are hoping to actually get to 100% completion of all required role work by the end of the close of the roll June 30th 2015.
And then going to our performance measures, one of the things we're looking is to increase the issuance of marriage licenses. We have been trending upwards on the issuance of marriage licenses and as a department, we feel that having more people get married is a good thing. So we're looking forward to increasing the number of marriages. But one interesting aspect of that is that we're also, for the marriage licenses that we do issue. We're seeing more and more people actually ask the department to conduct a marriage ceremony so that percentage is going up.
One of our measures is we look at the retention rate of the assessment appeals process, and we're able to retain historically about 87% of the value throughout the assessment appeals process. And we're looking to see if we can get that up to 90%. Of course as the assessor what we strive to do is assess everything fairly and accurately. But the better job you do, just the more retention you will get in a situation like that.
And then the last area there is really just the percentage turnouts. If you look at that 81%, that was for the November 2012 presidential general election, we actually have exceeded 80% in the three presidential general elections and turnout over the 12 years that I've been in office. In one election, we actually got over 86%. This June on June 3rd, we will probably see around a 40%, 44% turnout rate if we're lucky. Oftentimes it goes down to 30% range and then for the gubernatorial general will probably get up around 65 maybe 67% turnout this November.
We don't have any anticipated service level reductions from the prior year Some of our challenges are we continue to have that ongoing structural imbalance of the 546,000. Every year every budget year fiscal year that we have a primary election. We don't get as much reimbursement from the cities because if you'll notice when you vote on City contests on this ballot in November each city will be conducting City council races or they may have their own ordinance on there. And so we get reimbursed for For conducting those elections and the for the general election years, so what we have is this imbalance from year to year when we get a lot of reimbursement for for general elections But we don't get a similar reimbursement for primaries
I'm going to ask you a question. Do we ever track like, you know, the things that say would you give $3 to offset the presidential election or $2 or whatever on those things?
Chairman Levin, are you referring to on the tax
return? Yeah, the tax thing. Does that is I'm wondering if there's any way, I mean does that go to offset their own election stuff
That's a very good question. I've never seen one of those dollars, but we do not get reimbursed by the federal government or the state government for conducting their elections. So the county is just on the hook. We
eat it all ourselves?
Yes. Well, and then we still have continued staffing challenges and that leads right into the budget enhancement requests. We are looking, we're asking for three-and-a-half FTEs. Admin office professionals within the elections program. This will limit the risk of liability to the county associated with continuing to have critical election functions understaffed or staffed with unexperienced seasonal employees. What we've been doing during this recession Is we actually would take staff from elections for half a year and have them go work in other areas of the department. That's no longer sustainable, so we're not going to be able to do that in the future it's too high a risk.
It's just mistakes happen when you bring in inexperienced unseasoned staff and you're doing a tremendous volume that we do especially with the vote by mail Things are going to happen and we just can't. And we can allow that risk anymore. As I mentioned, the assessor division is still significantly understaffed. We are not operating with all cylinders firing by a long shot so I'm would like to incrementally Increase the assessor staff over time. We were at 83 FTEs, I don't think we ever need to get back to 83. We're at 68 now that is not optimal for the property taxes for this county.
I was trying to think what would be an optimal level maybe around 73 or 74 staff. We're still a ways away from that but I want to incrementally move towards We're going to have a new subdivisions we need to map those it's a huge workload. We are understaffed in the mapping area. Elections division. And then finally we do have a continuing large assessment appeal case with Brightburn Oil Company, and so we're hiring outside experts and counsel for that, and so we have 100,000 requests there.
And I'll be happy to take questions. Thank you.
Supervisor Farr?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr Holland. A couple of questions. One is when you were talking about the need for more staff in elections because of the risk involved. I know we had talked before and I think it was last budget cycle as well About the growing issue of not having enough people to work the polls
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and in the people that had been working that were getting quite elderly and there It was very difficult to recruit more people as poll workers, and that there might be an opportunity If the county could work it out where County employees could help to fill that so Where are we with that?
Supervisor far through the chair. Thank you very much for asking that question we do have a draft program that Where is that right now Renee?
It's currently with County Council at this time it has been reviewed by Human Resources Once its finished being reviewed through County Council Then it will go back to human resources who has advised us that they will need to meet and confer With Union on it before we move forward and bring it to the board. I
Okay, so do we have any kind of an estimated timeline? I mean clearly that's not something that would be ready for this June and because of the expected low voter turnout perhaps not as much of an issue anyway. But is it something that could be in place by next November?
Supervisor Farr through the chair, we are looking to have it in place for November We do at this point in time we have a 105 poll workers that we still need in North there in South County and 58 poll workers that we still need in North County. We need to have those poor workers in place before we hit poor training which is going to occur in Mid-May, so you know how as we have in the past two elections. We may be coming back to the CEO's office asking if we can send an email out to county employees asking if they'd like to take a vacation day for this election and come help us out. So you know we're hoping to make that final push utilizing adopt-a-polls and County Poll Not the county poll worker program, excuse me. But student poll workers which is another program that we've been using for some time and growing but you know ideally we hope to have all those positions filled.
The turnout will not be as high this election so we're already looking at where are the critical need areas that we have to have for polling place workers adverse Where can we get by with 3 polling place workers so we're already looking at all that.
If we could have the county poll worker program that would be so great because if you can get trained staff to come back each and every election you got one of them at each polling place that would just be terrific
Well, I mean, I certainly think it's a great idea and I'm glad that it's moving forward through the appropriate steps. Are you advertising kind of like the county grand jury does in newspapers or whatever for? It sounds like you've got a tremendous need even for June for volunteers for polls.
Yes we use a number of sources to Recruit poll workers. We use Craigslist, we use the newspaper. We actually will have a polling place worker ad in our sample ballot books that will be mailed out to all the voters of the county so there are a number of ways that we try and recruit workers
Okay, thank you. And then the other question I wanted to ask was about the appraisers, the assessors and the fact that you're down. And didn't really go into it in detail this time as you have in the past but since the property tax is what we run the county with. It just seems critical that we would try to build that staff up as quickly as we could given the restrictions of our budget process. So what impacts do you see? I mean, what impacts are there to the total amount of property tax that the county gets by not having the optimal number of people that you have? It sounds like you're still about five down, ten down.
Yeah, you know it's very difficult to quantify. It's like what... I gave a presentation to the State Board of Equalization up in Sacramento just on this subject and you can go through each category if we were to just do our Prop 8 Section 51s 1% better It's millions of dollars. The same thing with our appeals, I talked about the retention of 90 to 87%. When you give an appraiser a stack of work this big and they got to get through that by the hearing date next Thursday What are you going to do? You're probably going to err on the lower side. So if you have staff that can do just that much better job, you're going to be that much more accurate and the end result is you're going to have more revenue.
One of the discussion items that we're having now is we have about 300-500 commercial and industrial properties that are under Prop 8 Section 51. We don't have any commercial industrial appraisers to do it. So we're debating should we not do those? If we don't do those, and those are let's say an office building that we lowered a couple million dollars. If we don't get to review that then and let's say we could otherwise if we got to review it maybe raise it a million dollars so there's $10,000 in property taxes.
If we can't get to that this year, it's gone. We'll never see that money again because they'll be just up for review the next year. So what we're looking at now is maybe taking the workload of our commercial and industrial, the regular workload, the sales and the new construction and the transfers that need to be reappraised, and pushing those aside so that we can get to the commercial-industrial Prop 8 Section 51s because we don't want to lose that forever.
Then what happens is that other work becomes backlog and we will do roll corrections in the next fiscal year. We'll eventually get to it, but then it puts us behind the eight ball going into the next year. So there's all sorts of moving parts like that. We're not doing the audits we should be doing. We're not reviewing the business property statements. We are just accepting them as they come in because we don't have the time or the staff to do it.
Okay, well I just think that this is really a huge issue considering the values involved as you've mentioned. So CEO Miyasato, just make a note here. I think that this is an area that we really need to try to focus on as much as we can. My last question for now Mr. Holland is and this is because I guess I don't understand exactly how Prop 13 is always implemented. I know that each year property tax can be increased up to 2%.
This year, we didn't increase it 2%. It was like I think less than 1%. Is that based on CPI or who decides how much that goes up to the max of
2%? Good question. So under Prop 13, the annual assessments can be raised to a maximum of 2%, just for CPI adjustments. That's determined by the Department of Finance based on We had a 4.4% increase in year over year. 50% of that, 2%, was the maximum in there. So the other 2.4% was other work that we had done but 2% just across the board this year whatever we come up with that CPI is only contributing less than half a percent so if we come up with 4% this year it's going to be due to a lot of other things but it's not going to be attributable to that CPI
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Okay, so we're locked into whatever the Department of Finance
says. That's
correct. No matter what's happening here.
And that's across the state.
Okay thank you. Thank you Mr. Chair. Thank
you good questions. Supervisor Carball? Thank you. Mr. Holland are we staffed up based on all the positions that we were recruiting for? Or are any of those in the pipeline still? Because I know last year we had a situation where we were recruiting for some, but they weren't on board yet. Have we maximized
that yet? The short question is yes. We do have two vacancies right now that have occurred over the last few months. But we did fill all those positions The you know, the bad news is it takes two or three years to get these people experienced and to do this work Especially the commercial and industrial where you're dealing with attorneys and brokers and you know, it's complicated stuff The good news is the people that we've hired. We're being very selective there. They're gonna be really good Very good So we're really optimistic about that and that's why I don't ever think we need to go back to 83 positions
Thank you. Mr Holland, I was listening to what you had to say about it seems like we're leaving money on the table and we're not getting the work done that we need to get done. But then the request is really only for one more appraiser. And so up here, I feel like if we're not getting the work done and we're not doing the appraisals and we're bringing the money in that we should be bringing in, I should be looking down and seeing a larger request. How do I justify those two?
I talked with Keith Taylor, Chief Deputy Assessor and I asked him before we come into this hearing and before our most recent meeting with the CEO. I said you know Keith should we really only be asking for one? And he's you know we need to we should ask for two appraisers and then one office professional to help out that what we can absorb that now and we most definitely have the work for them.
I think we should be able to do that. You know, optimally somewhere around 73 to 74. I think should get us where we need to go. But that would be. I you know, I see all the other requests for positions across the county and I've made requests in the past that haven't gotten anywhere. I didn't want overdo it
right.
Yeah, I understand that but that risk in elections. To me, that is the most highly sensitive area. You make a mistake in an assessment and you can roll correct it. You can't do that with elections. There's no control alt delete. And to the degree that we get these people in, and again these people are already on staff. We just are not going to send them back to assessor or recorder.
If we are in elections and it's like, well okay things did slow down enough. We got us surrounded. We'll send them back. Yeah.
All right. Very good. Thank you very much. Are there any other questions? CEO Miyasato
Chair and board members, I think also as Mr. Holland indicated there was a lot of vacancies last year and the department has been hiring up. And so one approach is also to see now that he has more of the vacancies filled let's see what that produces as far as getting some of the assessments done because he had been so far behind. Now again he continues to have some vacancies but at least some of those were filled in the last year.
Yes I'd also like to remind your board the that we did assist the department last year so they do have this ongoing structural imbalance and part of it was in fact when you lower your staffing, your property tax administration fees go down. And so that's one of the things that has hurt them. And so your board did authorize $600,000 of ongoing general fund increase to help balance that and a $350,000 I think One time last year, reducing to 100,000. This year is we thought the positions would be filled and we start to get that revenue increasing so that's something that probably is a little bit delayed but hopefully in the next couple of years will help to get them more into a structural balance. So I just want to remind your board of that.
Supervisor Carbajal. Thank you. We're far from being done with our hearings today, but I really look to CEO Miyasato to try to understand all the departments and understand what their priorities are, what she thinks is her most prudent recommendation. Certainly, we've been slightly telegraphing what's important to all of us and certainly this is one of those functions. But I do trust her recommendation as she's a new fresh set of eyes.
She's going to be able to look at these issues and give us recommendations. So I'm really going to be looking to her for our departments in her recommendations. There's a few things that I think we'll pine about in terms of giving direction, but really just looking forward to her as somebody new coming to our organization trying to work with all the demands. And again, we're never going to go to the same normal we were before this.
It's a new normal. And I think we slowly if if we start restoring things, we've got to do it in a gradual way so that were able to meet the demand and not. Just look at the money now just blow back up because it's just we could do that. I think when we gotta do it strategically and in a way
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You're not even going to bother to announce, are you? Andy called over. We have no idea who you are. Hey put that back at three I had to do my own announcement there. One of the things missing from this preliminary budget workshop is it the C section that has all the charts and numbers? So for instance, some of this information should have been in either the departments section or the C sections. You're flying blind. If Mr. Holland hadn't brought that other stuff up we wouldn't even be having this discussion and so that's a criticism.
The other thing is you have to ask the question why not hire commercial private sector appraisers? There's a bazillion people out there Decades of experience appraising the value of property throughout this county. I mean, decades of experience. So why not hire him as temporary help? We've had an ongoing request, and I know he's his own elected official Mr. Holland, and we think he does a great job.
But nonetheless you're all elected officials, I don't know how you respond to this but we want the campaign contributions online. There's a bunch of different jurisdictions, there's entire websites dedicated to this where one jurisdiction that's not doing it. It's all public information. Somebody shouldn't have to drive down to Santa Barbara and ask to see a file.
We need to catch up on that. I've never heard of the discussion in this county about requiring voter ID. We do believe there's fraud in the North County, and we think there's fraud in the South County. Voter fraud. Why don't we require a voter ID? Is that legally? I don't even know if we can do it legally in California. Whose decision is that? Is it Mr. Hollins or the boards?
Another issue is we're talking about the need, the ongoing challenge of manning these polling places. The statistics that isn't in his submission is at over 50% are going by mail. Would it be legal for us to go require and go entirely by mail? Is that the way we should be going? Again, that's a discussion we haven't seen occur here. I think Santa Barbara's last election if I remember was entirely by mail And so if they can do it, why wouldn't the county do it? And again I don't know what the law is but one of the reasons that I don' t know what the law is because we haven't had a presentation on it.
So again, we think we like the online contributions, discussion on requiring voter ID, a discussion of going mail-in ballot only, the issue of whether to contract out to get caught up on these assessments. And add back in as much data as you can for the next round of budget hearings. Thank you.
Thank you very
much,
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I want to let's reconvene our budget workshop. Next up is our treasurer tax collector public administrator Mr. Harry Hagan and we have to extend a We're going to put the welcome mat out for you because today is the day before taxes are due. And Mr. Hagan is usually and will be very busy for the rest of this day, and his staff, so we really appreciate it. We're sorry that it had to happen on today but today was the day.
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Okay, well thank you. Good morning Chair Labanino, members of the board. I am Treasurer Tax Collector Harry Hagan and I'm joined today on my right by Kim Tesoro, the Assistant Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator. On her right is Arlene Diaz our Public Administrator, Public Guardian and Veterans Manager. And on my immediate left is Rochelle Camozzi our Treasury Finance Chief.
And on the far left is Jennifer Christensen our Investment and Debt Officer for the county. The department's mission is to bill and collect all property taxation, process all payments, provide banking services, invest revenue by the county, special districts and schools. And to administer the county's debt program deferred compensation plan, decedent estates, public conservatorships, and veteran services.
The Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator's proposed operating budget for fiscal year 14-15 is $7.1 million. Our capital budget is $1 million. This expenditure is for the Thompson Reuters momentum property tax system that Mr. Guy spoke about earlier, and when it's completed it will replace the current 35-year old mainframe system. Our county general fund contribution is $3.4 million, and the department is proposing a budget with 43 positions.
And we were able to balance this proposed budget using $150,000 of one-time funding. The department's most important capital project is obviously the Augmentum property tax system. We have budgeted to pay $1 million during 2014-'15 And as a reminder, our total contract with Thomson Reuters was for approximately $2.5 million and that includes the 10% contingency also.
As Mr. Geis pointed out earlier also this is a joint Treasurer-Tax Collector-Auditor-Controller project and we have a scheduled August go live implementation date at this point. This next slide details the various revenue sources that funds the operations of the Treasury Tax Collector Public Administrator. And as you can see, our largest funding source is at 41% and it is a general fund contribution.
Slide five details our general fund contribution. And after accounting for the reclassification of the cost allocation revenue, our GFC contribution has remained relatively constant. Slide 6 shows our use of one-time fund balance to maintain current services. Both on a percentage basis and an absolute dollar value basis, the trend line is moving in a positive sustainable direction. Our 14-15 recommended budget has 43 FTEs, a significant reduction from the 52 FTEs at 06-07 So these next two slides, eight and nine are going to illustrate some of our anticipated accomplishments for this year.
We will complete our Go Live planning data conversion and testing for our August Go Live with the new property tax system. Our secured property tax collections will be ranked in the top five counties for the state. Last year we ranked third out of 58 counties for secured property tax collections and sixth for unsecured collections. We increased vacation TOT collections to over a million dollars annually on 271 vacation rentals.
And for context, in fiscal year 07-08 we had eight vacation rentals and we collected about $22,000.
Supervisor Wolf has a question?
I just think that is outstanding, Mr. Hagan. That's an astonishing change from when it was first discussed back in 07-08 and what do you attribute that increase to?
We have not, Supervisor Leveneau, Supervisor Wolf. We have not increased staff but there are two, actually there's probably several people, but there's two really key individuals in our office that have really taken on this function. Ryan Deeb and Victoria Handy. And really I can't take credit for it. It's really their efforts that have really put this together.
That's great. Well thank you. I was really interested to see that. Thank
Okay, so we enhance services to veterans by implementing a new Veterans Identification Card program. The funding for this program was the result of one-time subvention money. We filed six returns with an Internal Revenue Service for credit payments to issuers of qualified bonds this year. This enabled the county to receive over $650,000 in interest subsidies This next bullet, although I manage the county's debt program this really is a collaboration between Mr. Geis' office, the CEO's office and your board's policies really.
I just get the benefit of presenting it but the county we were able to reaffirm our double A plus long-term lease financing rating which really translates to a triple A rating if we were to issue a GEO bond so it's the highest in the state and I think we should be very proud
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Supervisor Carbajal.
Mr. Hagan, help me understand that rating when you say it's the highest available or is it the highest in the state for a public entity? Help me understand that because I've always been intrigued and feel really good about what that means but I'm not sure that I know what it
fully means. Supervisor Labnino, Supervisor Carbajal When I say it's the highest in the state, there are about three or four other counties that actually have that same rating. But those are the only counties that Senator Porce has given that highest rating to. A lease financing rating would be like a COP where its not backed by the general obligation bond. So its not going to carry the same rating a GO bond would carry and so Just the implication of it is going to you're going to get a double A as opposed to a triple A.
But to answer your question, it's the same as like I said about three different counties have or three or four have that same rating. The rest have lower ratings.
So this is a big deal and speaks to our stability in our county finances, our debt to revenue ratios. All the things that they look for in public entities which demonstrate good financial stewardship.
Absolutely,
yes. Despite the challenges we have does this, and I'm just throwing out words you tell me if Does that kind of mean that we're a well-managed, financially managed county?
It does. Yeah. One of the things they do look at is the length of the people, your financial experts that are in office and the policies you have in place and are you practicing good stewardship and it all comes into play. And it's just a very positive reflection on what our county as a whole is doing.
Great. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I understood that and the public understood that.
Very good. Let's continue. OK.
And I don't know if I've mentioned this but our veterans staff did file one thousand nine hundred twenty five claims this year just doing a fantastic job and finally
Supervisor Wolf
Sorry, Mr. Hagan. What does that number actually represent and what does it do for the veterans? Is it filing SSI claims, Medi-Cal or just strictly veterans related issues?
Chair Labnina, Supervisor Wolf. It is filing for individuals getting their VA claims filed so that they can receive their cash benefits retro and ongoing. There are other programs too they're filing for but that's generally what it is they're filing for. Individuals getting their cash benefit and then it does get them off of things like Medi-Cal too and we receive a small little bit back from Medi-Cal when we go through that process.
Mister Hagan, my office sits right at the juncture where they go down to see Rhonda there and we see a steady flow of veterans that are going through. And the outstanding work so
yeah, Ron is a superstar. She was our employee of the month last time if you recall. During our last two federal audits of the Public Guardian, and you may not be aware but we get audited annually in the Public Guardian by the Federal Government, Social Security in particular. The senior field auditors have utilized our record keeping procedures for on-site training of their new field auditors And have developed further internal trainings utilizing our processes and documentation as a preferred model that they take back with them.
A lot of that should be attributed to Arlene and her staff, and we're very proud of the fact that they've utilized us as a model. Our fiscal year 14-15 objectives are to implement the new property tax system and all of the associated systems. This four-year project is on schedule with a projected August go live date, and once we go live, we will have effectively mitigated the risk to counties, cities, schools, and special districts remaining on the 35 year old mainframe.
Our fiscal year 15-16 objectives are to continue to integrate our subsidiary systems into the Aumentum property tax system. We will continue to build out the new system and to achieve maximum functionality This next slide shows some of our performance measures. There's about 11 of them in the budget book, but these four proposed measures for 14-15 are to collect 97.5% of the secured property taxes, to collect $1 million in vacation rental TOT, to process $7.6 billion through the county treasury and to file an additional 1,925 veterans benefit claims Our 14-15 budget does not pose any service level reductions.
Our key challenges and emerging issues will be the new property tax system as that seems to be a recurring theme in my presentation, but I'm trying not to lose focus on that by putting too many things on my plate so that has been our focus for the last three and a half years and we're going to continue pushing through on this. Permanent funding will be required for the property tax system's future ongoing maintenance though, at some point.
Training of staff on how to use the new system will also be an ongoing challenge for us and we will need to continue to interface subsidiary systems that work towards that full functionality. So in summary, we will go live with a new property tax system this summer. This will mitigate the hardware software and support risk of remaining on that 35 year old mainframe We enhance the veteran services program by implementing an identification card program.
We've increased TOT collection efforts, and we've increased property tax collection efforts. And thank you for the opportunity to present my proposed budget and share with you some of our accomplishments and challenges. And I'm here to answer any questions you may have.
Thank you very much Mr. Hagan. I have a question about paying property tax. And we'll our new system painted online. I pay everything online except you got to pay property tax online and it cost you money, right? And is our new system going to fix that or will that still be a is that just always going to be that way or.
Chair Labnino the you're talking about using a credit card the 2 point yeah, I want to use
a credit card payment. Yeah, good. My airline miles, you know
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What that represents is the merchant fee. So if the county was to absorb the merchant fee, which is let's say 2.4% on average, basically what that covers is your air miles you're receiving. It's your rewards you're getting. So if the county was to absorb that we'd be absorbing that for the cities, the schools, special districts, everyone. So we don't
get the whole thing so now I understand. OK. So I do love this system. The online system is great.
And I could point out that if you do electronic check, it's only $1 for you. One dollar for electronic check? As many parcels as you want to pay in your shopping cart.
OK. Or you can come down and visit the lovely faces down in our office and we can pay it and it doesn't cost you anything. OK great. Supervisor Farr
Thank you Mr. Chair, well thank you Mr. Hagan for your presentation and for the ongoing wonderful work of your department and I'm particularly pleased that we were able to fund the services for the veterans in that is working out so well such an important population for us to serve as best we can I always have to say for when I don't use a credit card, Chair Levin you know. It's always interesting to write your name on my check for so many thousand dollars and of course that's always the way it is but it's you know...I always wonder what it's like to be you and be responsible with your name on all this money coming in.
I had a question about, we heard about from Mr. Holland if somebody is protesting their property tax assessment and they have to go through this whole appeals process. In your department then if there's an assessment that's in protest you continue to collect whatever was charged before and it's just the difference That you have to hold on until you get through this whole dispute resolution process.
Chair Lavarino, Supervisor Wolk? Four.
It's the four letters.
He doesn't put his name on a check for you. We all remember you!
I'm going to go ahead and get started. Thank you very much. If someone's disputing their assessed valuation with Joe's office, they would still be responsible for that bill as far as the bill is in play. They still have to pay it and then it can be worked out after the fact if it's something of a large dollar amount. Mister guys may impounded also. So there's a few different things It's just going to get paid. And
so I mean, one of the things that Mr Holland was asking for money for was apparently a big litigation to do with an oil energy company. So whatever his office says is the assessment they have to pay it all this time but you may put it into a separate pot, so to speak, so that we're not spending it until it's resolved?
That's correct, yes.
And then if somebody is just delinquent on their property tax payment, I realize it's delinquent after a certain date and then there's a fee assessed on that. What is the process then for if somebody's delinquent? It's a long way down the road. I know ultimately you know, you may take the property and auction it off but that's a long ways down the road.
It accrues a 10% penalty at that point. At April 10th, the delinquency date for the second installment, that first has to be paid. If they miss one or both of those at that April 10th, that second installment will get a 10 percent penalty plus a $30 cost. That dollar amount will stay the same until June 30th. At that point if it still remains unpaid it rolls off the current secured roll onto the redemption roll At that point, it's accruing 1.5% interest a month or 18% a year.
It can remain in that state on the redemption role for five years. It's not a desirable way to finance your property but someone could do that if they'd like to. After five years I'm going to record it into a pending power to sell and then sometime subsequent to that five-year period within four years that property will either be collected and redeemed or it'll be auctioned and put back on the roll in that process.
We've only had one live auction in the last 13 years. Yeah, last 13 years and that was two years ago we had one. We've had one sealed bid sale during that period also where we had two unprobated estates that were sold through to that process. So it's pretty rare in this county that we actually have to get to an auction. Most counties every other year they'll have an auction
So if somebody didn't pay their property tax for a year, it has these penalties. It starts assessing this 18% a year and then in the second year they get their job back and then you go back and try to pay it all off or they have a payment plan? Yeah
after you've gone through the redemption rule you can go on to a five-year payment plan. You know it comes with similar interest components so It's a way to budget, but at that point too you also have to keep your current taxes current or your plan will get defaulted.
Is there on average a certain percentage of the properties that are in delinquency of some type?
I would expect that as of right now we're about 88% collected on the roll. By April 10th, I would expect we're going to be 96% of the roll collected And then at June 30th, between April 10th and June 30th I'll collect about another 3%. So about 1% of the roll rolls about $710 million right now. $7 million is going to roll to the redemption role this year. That would be my prediction.
Well as percentage goes that sounds like it's pretty darn good so thank you very interesting. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you, Mr Chair and thank you for asking those questions Supervisor Farr. I think it's a reflection of your department when you mentioned that we've had one option in an extensive period of time. What I found from your staff is that Over time, figuratively and literally in working out so many issues. I know just from my office if we have issues with the guardianship or veterans affairs your staff is right there. And I can't thank you and your staff enough for being so responsive. I also want to thank Harry. I serve on the retirement board with Harry and Jennifer.
But, you know, Harry's leadership on the retirement board is phenomenal. It's outstanding and I so admire your intellect and thank you for everything that you do. And to your staff, you guys are an incredible group. You do a lot. It is not just a collection of taxes but you really do serve some of the neediest folks in our community. So I just wanted to thank you.
Thank you. Ditto from everybody I think, correct? Supervisor-
Yes, I was going to say your new name is Phenomenal Treasurer Harry Aiken. I like that word but I do want to echo what Supervisor Wolfe has said. You're one of those department heads who's never in the limelight, never overly intrusive in other things but you get the job done and you get it done well so congratulations on your good work.
Thank you. But no quote today. Well, it's not me. It's the people around me, the people downstairs, upstairs in Santa Maria. It is my staff and I'm sure you hear it quite often but I really truly honestly believe my departmental staff is the best of any department.
Very good let's go to public comment.
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Mr. Caldwell, thank you. Chairman Lavendino, members of the board, Andy Caldwell representing COLAB. One of the things that a theme that I've had on this especially on the radio show over the years is that voters in California Get duped anytime somebody floats a bond, because they don't understand what a bond is. They think a bond is free money and there is little to no truth in advertising in government. And they say that well we're going to do a $10 billion water bond the actual cost to the voters and taxpayers is 20 billion after you put in the interest.
Well, the county has its own version of that and it's under the form of COPs. And this rarely gets discussed, but when the EOC was being built, the only figure I ever heard being bandied about. And this is also true of the Better Avia Government Center, the last two big projects we've built. On the EEOC, the only figure I ever heard being bandied about was $7.4 million and while I was sitting there, I Googled EOC and sure enough, On the day of the groundbreaking, the press reported it was a $7.4 million project. But you go into the COP list on the last page of their department, it's $13.5 million.
Better Avia Government Center was supposed to be around 2 million or something like that. It's listed at 5 million. Now, I'm not here to criticize the EEOC or Beto O'Reilly Government Center. That's not my purpose right now here today. My purpose here today is when we announce we're going to build something, please tell the public the true total cost including debt service.
The other thing is Supervisor Carbajal's worried that you're going to strain something, patting yourself on the back there about how good our AA rating here is. I didn't know you were that double jointed, to tell you the truth. But one of the things we've always asked Is why why is it that nowhere in the county budget book is pension debt now maybe it might be in the C sections every once in a while. But why isn't any department and I think since he sits on the retirement board, it should go in his department what is our pension debt?
And maintenance debt, now some of that maybe it should go under general services. But there should be, it should be part of our overall picture. Now I know that we do have some charts showing what our annual pension debt payments are but what's the long reign? What's the aggregate? I think that that's something that should be ongoing when you're talking about finances and thanks to Supervisor Adams measure pushing on this And in this report, you're going to hear in a little while.
We think that should be part of the budget book to the point that just like Public Works has a pavement index, you should have a maintenance index. Thank you.
Supervisor Adam. I would just like to reiterate my request for a balance sheet, for context, for budgeting. We've talked about this on various informal levels and nobody agrees with me that we need a balance sheet and I don't know why. Yeah yeah well I mean up in this general vicinity. So yeah, I really think that a balance sheet is important so that you can understand your relative Position.
And I think we tend to feel a little bit rich all the time because we've got more money coming in and I think without the sobering effect of the liability side, which is going to be humongous You know, I don't think we can kind of behave properly and without that context. We're just going to run off and do something fun with the money. And I was heartened to hear my colleague Supervisor Carbajal say you know we can't just go back to where we were. That's great. That's I think a step in the right direction philosophically but I think we need to do a little bit more In that way and be able to really understand where we are.
Assets versus liability, and then how do you look at the assets? We really have to have a discussion about how that balance sheet gets constructed because as Mr. Geis and I have discussed on numerous occasions You can't really run it like a business balance sheet because some of our stuff's not liquid and We've got in for instance in this building and the roads leading here you know, we couldn't liquidate those things so we'd have to have a big long discussion about how to construct that balance sheet but I I think that it bears more discussion and it would have some kind of an impact on a lot of our actions year round, but at budget time specifically.
Okay, thank you very much. And I don't know if you're prepared to talk about it today Mr. Hagan but um You know we had a short discussion about you are our retirement board guru along with Supervisor Wolf sits on that as well. I don't know if you just want to give a one minute two-minute indication of where we are right now and what's been improved but uh I was very heartened to hear in our little sit down of and if you if you we could do at a different time or you could address it now just kind of
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Chair Levin, you know I can give you a few snippets I guess but really the CEO really speaks for the Retirement Board. So I think the Retirement Board has done some very prudent fiscal moves recently and so we did reduce the earnings assumption from 7.75 to 7.5 for the first year of this three-year experience study Additionally, the Retirement Board closed the amortization. Previously it was a 17-year rolling amortizations like refinancing your mortgage every year, 17 years continually. We've closed that so in 17 years that unfunded liability will be paid off.
There will be additional discussions I would expect when the actuary starts their work this fall. And one of the discussions I would expect would be also how to deal with future gains and losses, will that be closed over the same 17 years or longer or shorter? Many counties have struggled with closing their amortization. We've actually been pretty aggressive in that.
Right now I think we're moving the earnings assumption in the proper direction too. But if you think about the retirement system, it's something that is designed to go into perpetuity. It's like a luxury liner. You just can't turn it all at one time. If you start changing things too dramatically, too quickly, you really whipsaw the sponsors and so Tom and Mona have some expectation and some consistency when they're doing projections on what rates would be. You start moving things too quickly. It's going to throw off all the sponsors and as people know markets are very volatile. And so those decisions can really be accentuated with the market volatility also, so it's moving in the right direction I think the board members and there's actually a fourth board member here Mr.
Paul over there from Public Works. So we're close to a quorum here, guys. But I think the Retirement Board is being very prudent in what they're doing and they're being very responsible and it's very heartening as the county treasurer and as a county employee that they're making these tough decisions
Very good. Okay, thank you very much. We've had public comment. We've got Supervisor Carbajal.
So Mr. Chair what I'm hearing and I just want to What I'm hearing is based on the actions that the retirement board has taken There is a plan to address the unfunded liability within that 17-year amortization and the other actions that have been taken lowering the assumption rate. There is a plan to deal with the unfunded liability within that 17 year, plus or minus a few years based on the volatility of the market.
For me, that's extremely encouraging because you have critics from all sides. And I think to be able to tell people we have a plan, it's not going to happen overnight. It's not going to happen today but that's a reasonable period, 17 years when you consider how we approach mortgages and I think it's very prudent to be able to have a plan in place and And not just you have this unfunded liability. What are you doing about it? Well, there is a plan and I think that's very encouraging for the public, the taxpayers and us as decision makers so thank you very much.
Supervisor Adam. Yeah, I'm just wondering about that. 17 years close. So next year is going to be 16 years. Can you change that back in the board? Change that back just as easily as they changed it so if they get down to 10 years or something and times get tough again, whatever they can roll it back up to 17 years again. That would be fine, that would be fine.
Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you Mr. Chair. Mr. Allen just reminded me that as we're talking about retirement that the deadline for applications for the public member position for the Retirement Board is this Friday. The 11th Thus far we have two applications Received as of yesterday. So if there is anyone in the public listening and is interested in applying for this position to go online to the clerk's Website, is that correct? Correct? Mr. Allen
You can access the application, all the information about the position on the county's main homepage under News and Announcements or at the Clerk of the Board homepage.
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right.
Thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Chairman.
Thanks for making that announcement Supervisor Wolf because it's very important and we know that there are qualified people out there. We just need to let them know about it so thank you very much. All right. Thank you Harry really appreciate it your whole team thanks Take a second here, Mr. Pontes can get himself situated. General services. All right. Morning, Mr. Pontis.
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Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, Matt Pontus, General Services Director. I'm accompanied by my Assistant Directors Greg Channis, Karen Miles, Jennifer Slayman on my right and Brian Dugan our Business Manager. Thank you for the opportunity to present the 2014-16 general services budget. The General Services Budget includes an operating budget of $41.3 million, capital assets of $10.5 million, a general fund allocation of $8.3 million, 113 FTEs, a one-time use of fund balance of $240,000, expansion request of $ 8.1 million and no service level reductions at this time.
We have listed a few major projects that the department is managing. We are leading a collaborative effort on a $96 million Northern Branch Jail AB 900 project. This truly is a partnership and collaboration between the Sheriff's Office, the County Executive Office, County Council and the Auditor's Office working in conjunction with our design consultants Kitchell, Rosser and Liebert.
I'm extremely proud Of everyone's cooperation and our team has been nothing short of excellent in designing an efficient secure and long-lasting facility. Next week, we'll be bringing before your board an exciting look at some preliminary designs and briefing your board on the milestones ahead for this project. General services is collaborated with Community Services Department and our County Risk Management Division for the Koyama pool project which is valued at approximately 1.5 million dollars As the Sheriff alluded to yesterday, the Main Jail sewer and kitchen project is truly an exercise in logistics for county staff as we replace antiquated equipment and failing infrastructure in the main jail kitchen.
We have a temporary kitchen facility being assembled and our construction for the project commences this August with a completion date in early 2015. As you can see in this slide, General Services is able to deliver many of its services to departments by charging for services through internal service funds such as information technologies, communications, fleet and utilities.
Salary savings from holding positions vacant has been allocated to one-time uses in fiscal year 13-14 and 14-15. Our 14-15 staffing plan continues to maintain the current level of staffing and delivery of services. I will also note that fluctuations in staffing depicted on this slide include reductions in staffing, risk management staff moving from general services to the County Executive Office and the Internet Technology Department moving into general services.
As you can see it's been a busy year for General Services. Next week, the Sheriff and I will present to your board an update on our Northern Branch Jail Project. Soon, the Sheriff will be bringing forward to your board consideration of accepting a $38 million state grant that proposes to add a wing to our Northern Branch Jail project. If approved, General Services and Sheriff's staff will seek to align that proposed project with our current AB 900 Northern Branch Jail Project.
As you are aware, we have also been working with a consultant on our facilities condition assessment with our partners at Public Works, Community Services and with the County Executive Office. Later this afternoon your board will be briefed on the outcome of those efforts. We also presented a report on countywide sustainability efforts to your board earlier this spring that was followed by a very successful NACO Green Government Summit hosted in Santa Barbara.
Staff presented future energy savings projects and county departments shared accomplishments. We are now focused on partnering with other departments to establish a County Sustainability Task Force that will continue our sustainability efforts in county operations, construction projects, education and wise management of county facilities. We've also completed a major county campus phone system upgrades to voice over internet protocol capable technologies. This has been an extremely large project with very minimal disruption to our customers across the county.
Fiscal year 14-15 will be an exciting year for the Northern Branch Jail Project as we will see two large milestones, bidding the project in January and breaking ground on the site in May of 2015. Also upon receipt of the facility's condition report, we will review its findings, integrate its data into our deferred maintenance and capital project planning with a continued emphasis on wise county space utilization.
General Services will continue to evaluate, prioritize and address deferred maintenance focusing on health safety concerns and repairs that preserve the integrity of our facilities. Another objective is the planning phase of implementing a new procurement system, which will seek to provide more efficient means to report on local vendor participation metrics and better interfacing with our county's financial information network.
We also plan to develop and report back to your board on a five-year strategic plan for the Public Safety Microwave Radio Communication Network ensuring our customers have 24 hour reliable service that is necessary to fulfill their missions. We will also provide your board with an updated IT strategic plan. This strategic plan will report on where we are with IT projects, infrastructure, countywide needs and will include recommendations to develop and adopt technology coordination policies that seek to maximize county experience in software implementation.
We will also continue to identify ways to increase local vendor participation through ongoing communications, community collaborations and outreach activities. Our fiscal year 15-16 objectives include continuing construction of the Northern Branch Jail Facility. We will continue our efforts to plan and maximize available funding for deferred maintenance needs across the county, and with our partners across many departments we'll finish our analysis planning and evaluation of procurement software and prepare for a countywide implementation After successful planning and collaborations with our customer departments, it's our hope to begin the much-needed implementation of technologies and equipment to our public safety microwave radio communications network.
As you are aware, General Services encompasses a diverse array of functional divisions and services. These functional groups may deliver distinctly different services but all share the common goal of providing excellent customer service. Having open and honest discussions with many forms of communicating customer experiences, and most importantly listening to our customers we seek to constantly improve on the services that we deliver. You will see that theme reflected in this sample of our performance measures.
One important efficiency change In the next fiscal year is the new Microsoft link 2013 software capabilities. Departments can use this tool for expanding opportunities for audio and video conferencing across the county, which saves time and fuel costs. Key challenges in emerging issues. The deferred maintenance backlog is one of the county's largest challenges as an area where we will continue to focus our efforts I think that most of the department heads here today agree that antiquated infrastructure and emergency replacement of infrastructure failures are more expensive, and as they are unplanned often negatively impact departmental operations.
More adequate funding level for deferred maintenance will allow us to be more proactive in planned replacement of aging infrastructure. Appropriate funding will also allow for more preventative maintenance activities that keep the facilities operating efficiently and economically. In the months ahead, we will seek to permanently fill three management positions where we have staff temporarily assigned.
Each of these three positions are key to our success in the roles that they serve and in the organization. Additional funds requested for deferred maintenance align with initial projections from the Facilities Condition Report that you will be briefed on later this afternoon. Popular topic today and yesterday is the Northern Branch Jail Project accountant that we hope will provide assistance in accounting support, financial reporting and grant compliance.
We believe this is a crucial position necessary to gain full reimbursement from the state, provide financial accountability on the Northern Branch Jail project. And Supervisor Wolf through the chair, we heard your comments earlier and will definitely work with our auditor and our CEO's office to make sure that position resides in the best place. On May 6th as directed, we will present your board a plan that articulates adding management responsibilities of building and reservations of the Santa Barbara Veterans Memorial Building to General Services.
This plan integrates that facility into other general services reservation facilities During the recent economic downturn, General Services unfunded the position of Purchasing Manager. We believe this position is vital to the county as an effective purchasing manager maximizes the leverage of county resources, ensures accountability and compliance with policy regulations in state law, and manages local vendor and outreach program seeking to expand the amount of local vendor participation.
Another emerging issue, as your board is aware, is construction inspector. This is a classification and a role that we believe to be vitally important to our capital projects. Ensuring our construction projects are built to the design specifications is extremely important in ensuring contractor accountability and facility longevity. Also, General Services believes that in order to achieve the Board's direction on an adequate level of sustainability planning that either one FTE be added to conduct and coordinate sustainability efforts or one-time funding allocated to hire a consultant to prepare a comprehensive sustainability plan for the County of Santa Barbara.
So in summary, General Services is excited to take on the challenges ahead. The Northern Branch Jail Project will require ongoing collaboration with county departments, as well as appropriate staffing with a permanent capital projects, northern branch jail manager and accountant. Integration of the AB 900 and anticipated 1022 project creates additional challenges. However I believe that we have the very best team assembled and ready to conquer this project.
Deferred maintenance, IT planning and procurement all present unique opportunities to deliver our services in a more cost-effective and efficient manner. So the general services quote that seemed most fitting for this year's presentation was not an easy one. Certainly with new executive leadership here it has been a year of change for our department However, being chosen to go last in the budget presentation from the departments played on my mind a little bit.
So quotes with that theme last kind of resonated. Nice guys finish last perhaps or last guys don't finish nice came to mind seemed eerily appropriate. The one that really caught my eye was you never know which gig is going to be your last by Mika. However, to stick with a year of change, to quote Charles Darwin, it's not the strongest of the species that survives nor the most intelligent but the one most responsive to change.
And this concludes our budget presentation for general services. I'd like to take a moment personally thank the board, the county executive office, county department heads and most of all our devoted and extremely talented general services staff for their support and assistance during my first year here as General Services Director. At this time, we'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have.
Supervisor Wolfe? Thank
you. I also want to thank you and your incredible staff for everything that you've done in being responsive to my district in particular as it relates to the Veterans Center and I was pleased As a follow-up to our earlier meeting, the inclusion of an individual who will monitor the reservations not just for Santa Barbara vets but also for Lompoc and the county courthouse.
And Greg, I went to the NACO presentation that was sponsored by Supervisor Carbajal and I didn't stay for the whole thing. But I was there for your presentation and I just want to tell you that for someone new to the county, you've really jumped head first in a lot of the issues. And I thought your presentation to representatives from throughout the United States was very impressive and I just wanted to mention that.
There is one of the Contribution requests that is on the the larger list that you didn't mention in your slide presentation and that was an adjustment to departmental request for additional security services. That was a It's $61,000 it's not an FTE so explain how that request fits in
Supervisor Wolf through the chair. In an effort to pare down some of our requests, obviously we had a lot of requests this particular budget season none of which I don't feel are extremely important and important as they represent either a lot of risk to the county or an opportunity to have some efficiencies gained from it. As you know, we provide the security services for the downtown complex here through an outsourced security firm. We've noticed additional issues across the facility campus here and that additional request was to actually have We're not able to accommodate that additional additional service here on the facility. So right now are state so they're And at this time, we had hoped to augment it with additional 24-hour coverage.
And at this time, we did not have that as our very highest
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priorities. All right. Thank you. Thanks very much.
Supervisor Adam and Supervisor Carbajal? Well, I just want to give you an A plus on the quotes. I liked them. And to compliment you on the management of the Lompoc Vets building and special mention of Tracy Lothery who's doing that and she's the person that's managing our vets buildings and she's doing a great job Thank you. Supervisor
Carbajal and Supervisor Farr?
Thank you, Mr. Pontes I think in the expansion area you've covered a bunch of essential things that need to happen so that you could have Hispanic control and oversight On the issues that this board has over the past year to outline as priorities for us and that we're working on. So I recognize all of them, the one area that I want to understand a little bit more free from you is you said one time or ongoing sustainability.
Staff person. I know that through the work we've done to try to reduce costs look at reducing our energy consumption looking at renewables for example. To really do an effective job. As you have been researching through other counties, this forum that we had, that National Association of Counties had. Which was to me extremely intriguing to have such diversity of counties from blue and red states.
Everybody doing things and really talking about their successes, their failures, and how things have come about in their counties regarding sustainability. Could you help me understand? We're going to talk a little bit about. The exact resources you need and what you need them for. I assume it's do an effective job of implement developing and implementing our our sustainability plan, but.
Supervisor Carvajal through the chair. A lot of our research points to a better understanding of sustainability and true sustainability when some of the more progressive counties are out there really attaining that sustainability. It isn't just preparing a plan and trying to follow a plan, it's a way of doing business. And that goes for all of our departments and it goes for ours as the keeper of the facilities as well. Facilities is one portion of sustainability whether it's the efficiency, the electrical or the water consumption but truly and as our last sustainability update indicated It is a conscious effort from all the departments to work toward a more sustainable workforce and county delivery of services. So it would include everything from additional things that we do to reduce our carbon footprint in the area, It would include a lot of facilities related things, the way we do our business.
The amount of interactions that we have with the public and how the public interacts with us in ways that are also sustainable and efficient. So our initial request, and that's why it was listed first on the key challenges there is to ask for a full-time equivalent position to actually be the keeper of this sustainability task force kind of thing. Kind of leading the efforts for the county. We've talked with County Executive Office and are having some initial conversations with the Community Services Department because of their EM power program on where exactly that position would reside.
And you know truly It needs to be high enough so that we fully embrace from a departmental perspective all the things that make up true sustainability planning.
Thank you. All
right, very good.
Supervisor Farr?
Thank you Mr. Chair. Thank you Mr. Pontus for your presentation. Just a couple of questions. I know that we're going to be talking more this afternoon about maintenance, deferred maintenance in the various departments including yours. But I guess what I'd be interested to know is, we have this study which I'm assuming for county buildings includes things that could be really urgent like we have plumbing and electrical that's outdated and potentially hazardous.
And then we have things that need to happen on a regular basis, but are not necessarily dangerous. There may be more cosmetic like painting and carpet. So when we're going through the list of all the buildings and you or then there's a figure here, an annual figure. I'm going to ask you a question. When you're looking at that, what is the prioritization? I would assume it's these. It's these really big projects create risk and danger but but yet the painting has to happen sometime. So can you just kind of explain how you how you're looking at
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To put it together that that priority. It is not just a one-shot type of thing, you know we have in order to keep up with with the various health and safety things. It's an ongoing process and as predictable as we like to make it every year tells us is when we have unplanned emergencies throughout the facilities that sometimes it's not the things that you predict there are the highest priority on those lists but it's the things that happen throughout the year based upon You know we kind of take a take a multifaceted approach obviously.
Putting some emphasis on staff time and supplies in order to keep up the normal day-to-day maintenance whether it's painting or Or adjusting locks and doors so that they have a longer life, and they don't just break and cost a full replacement cost. And preventive maintenance when it comes to filters and belts and things like that in our generators and our HVAC systems. So part of the approach is to keep up with as best as possible preventative maintenance that allows those systems to actually run for their useful life. The other part of it is on those systems that are way past their useful life prioritizing those And trying to play the game of predicting which ones you can replace out with the funding that you have. So we usually start with health and safety issues, things that will affect either the public as they access our county facilities whether it's So we try and focus on those those issues that A high priority for health and safety.
But then we have things come along that are opportunities for us, or opportunities for us through perhaps on-bill financing or other ways in which say a department gets some grant funding to cover a specific thing that we can move up higher in the priority because we know we have some one time monies available for it. So those things come into play as well.
We used to have a joke in the previous county that I worked for, that we could do all this planning and get everything set up and come up with our predictions. And then we could go and put the same amount of planning into printing a piece of paper for each project, putting it on the lawn, and having lawn darts. Whichever darts hit the piece of paper was probably as accurate as the failures you experienced that year.
I hope that we can do a better job than that. And I'm confident that the latest information provided to us from the Jorgensen report will help reaffirm some of the things that we know already, and perhaps bring up some new things that allow us to concentrate our efforts on things that really do prevent those departments from being inconvenienced by facility disruption.
Okay, so I think you answered my question which was that you can lay out your plans but things can happen and you would have to totally scramble it around. The other question is really kind of a comment and I made it earlier. You know, we have a number of different departments that are doing reservations for county properties. So I mean if somebody wanted to get married in Santa Barbara County and they heard that the Santa Barbara Vets Hall was an interesting spot, Live Oak Camp was an interesting spot. Now there's this cool little room above the Hall of Records you know that the clerk recorder mentioned as another spot.
Right now we maybe have 2 or 3 different places that people would have to call to find out about that right because one is in your shop and one is in parks and I don't know maybe you also do the. Do the courthouse to or whether that's parks, but I mean you know what we're also trying to do it is generate more revenue and I think that our facilities in our parks and I've talked to Mister Parker about this too You know what improvements do we need to make it a place like live vote to make it more attractive and and rentable throughout the year. So when we're looking at positions for some of this and especially you know, we started the online reservations for parks and all that I'm just wondering how we integrate this is better service oriented I'm going to talk a little bit about that.
Supervisor far through the chair, you know this. This is a very timely discussion as our as we're bringing forth our plan on these sbvets building on the 6th of May so definitely you hit all The right questions that will be addressed in that particular plan. But what we didn't want to do was have a duplication of services that that was inefficient and was a poor model for the public to have to go to a lot of different places for reservations.
We knew from the beginning of looking around at what the county has, that the Parks Department's new reservation system was a viable option for some Particular element will also be in the plan that we're presenting. We also looked at increasing the marketing and being able to ensure the user that perhaps they were looking for a specific date to have a reservation at a veteran's facility, and the date was already taken in Lompoc, for instance, and we had that opening in Santa Barbara Shift the user to another facility or or even within the parks. The other one obviously is a is the other piece of that puzzle as a marketing and and solid strategy on what we have and what's available so we can optimize our revenue from those facilities then use that revenue hopefully to put back into those facilities to make them more attractive We've heard a lot of complaints on the Santa Barbara Veterans building.
The department's not wanting to, or the public not wanting to use the facility because it needs certain amount of upgrades and kind of freshening up and it's definitely some maintenance issues there as well. Our Lompoc building is looking fabulous these days. The community up there has done an excellent job at raising money and working with community members to really put a lot of time and investment back in that facility, and our staff has been actually really surprised and appreciative of the efforts going on there. And I think we can do more of that in the years ahead.
Well, I mean, I guess CEO Miyasato what I'm saying is that I think that you know we have these individual requests and I think that we maybe need to take a step back and say. You know what kind of a system can we come up with that best serves the public maximizes rental Using online reservations so that individual departments are not having to set up their own systems. And especially now we're having, it seems like increased interest and increased types of facilities that are county property. And I think we need to capitalize on that, and certainly we're a huge tourist destination. At some point in time when we've got a good system, we want to plug into that so that we're getting our share of the revenue that comes in for people that want to get married here or have a family reunion or something like that.
Thank you Mr. Chair.
Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you. Just to piggyback on that, I think that we should engage some of our, like what comes to mind is our Santa Barbara Conference and Visitors Bureau. If our county staff can put together this packet of information and then give it to those organizations that are already promoting the county In different ways. I think as far as marketing goes, those folks are ready to go so that might be another option.
Mr Pontus you and I had met about the purchasing manager and I understand the need for making this a permanent position. And it looks like you're also asking for one time funding The purchasing system software. And is that something that you've used in the past with your, in your prior employment? Or if you can explain that expenditure a little bit more, that possible expenditure.
Supervisor Wolf through the chair. The easy answer to that is that we feel as though initially, we had put forth both requests. The request to fill and have a permanent purchasing manager assigned the general services for the benefits that were articulated during the presentation. We felt though it...the actual procurement of the new software could wait one year just because we're going to be very busy bringing everybody up to speed in communicating out The purchasing managers.
Plans this year to work with departments and And make sure that we are carrying that torch so we felt as though it is also going to take a long time to evaluate there's a lot of procurement software out there another option is to actually pay to have someone write a module that interfaces completely with fan and the auditor staff. Are obviously a key component in that what we're trying to do is create some efficiencies within Our existing software infrastructure. So we have a software product that we use that doesn't allow us to do a lot of the things that most modern softwares are able to do with pulling up the metrics on who is in your vendor database that is local, how are you allocating those commodities?
Is there transparency in the bid documentation for the public and for our vendors? Do we have emergency vendors in place that are easy to get to 24 hours a day, in the case of emergencies. So there's a lot of complexity in choosing procurement software with one of the options to have a software module that is better aligned with FINN and maybe even just a program module off of FINN which all would increase efficiencies within the county When staff doesn't have to go to different systems to integrate and go through those kind of approval projects for how things are bought and paid for throughout our system. And I've had a lot of experience with different software in the past, and I'm confident there's some solutions out there that'll really be worth the investment.
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Thank you very much. When is the Jorgensen report going to be brought to us? May, okay. Very good. All right. Thank you very much. Oh we do have public comment. Mr. Guzman? Okay we have public comment. Mr Caldwell.
Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing Colab. As I mentioned earlier, we'd like to see a maintenance index as part of general services future budget presentations. One question I get a lot from people in the public and I didn't bring this up to Mr Pontus is a lot of people wonder why the county still has desk phones? There's a lot of homes and businesses just going completely cellular It would be interesting to see a cost estimate on what that would. I know there will be some places like maybe in this room where it may be hard, where a phone needs to go to a location versus a person but it'd be really interesting to see what kind of plan you can get, a discount you can get for doing that.
We would support Creating a more centralized purchasing function in general services, and this relates to our concern for local vendor. I got involved with local vendors one time when I was reading the agenda item and I saw that some department was buying $800,000 piece of equipment for the dump, I think it was in Ventura. You know some caterpillar, it was years before any of you guys are doing this. So anyway and I went up to the podium and said why aren't you buying it in Santa Maria? We have a Caterpillar dealer in Santa Maria.
And they ended up buying at Santa Maria. Santa Maria got $30,000 in taxes, sales tax on that purchase. And what we've found over the years Because there's a lot of people in these little individual departments get comfortable dealing with so and so. They don't bother sending out bids, and we know some of the vendors who were on the approved bid list that don't get requests for quotes.
It's very frustrating, and I think that's why this department has been flatlined at a 60% local vendor participation rate for probably ten years. And I just recently met this new department head. And I was really happy, not just because of his competency. I was more happy at the fact that he grew up in the region. He's going to know people that are in business. I mean, I always wish that we had more locals doing some of the purchasing and things like that because by nature they would know people in the business. And I don't think the county gets out enough in the business community as a whole to do that.
Again, this is an important thing. And the last thing I want to say in view of the fact that measure M is on the ballot and 50 plus percent vote absentee, that Jergensen report should have been on this agenda yesterday. I know you got something attached to this budget process today. It should go out before the absentee ballots go out, the voters need to know that information we've been sitting on that it's been taking too long to get that information out they need to see it thank you.
Thank you and no further public comment thank you Mr Pontus. Mr Gazzone can we learn about what's going to happen in closed session?
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Chair Lavanino and Supervisors, you've scheduled an hour and a half for closed session. Two litigation items both involving unfair practice charges with the Public Employment Relations Board won by Civil Attorneys Association, one by Union of American Physicians and Dentists as well as conference with labor negotiators times nine. Eight represented units, Civil Attorneys Association of Santa Barbara, Engineers and Technicians Association. Santa Barbara County Deputy Sheriffs' Association, Santa Barbara County Firefighters Local 2046, Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Managers Association, Service Employees International Union Locals 620 and 721, and Union of American Physicians and Dentists as well as the ninth all unrepresented employees and managers.
Okay, very good. Before we break, let's just... I kind of would like to get...I'm a little foggy about what's going to happen when we come back so I want to be prepared when I come back with what we need to do. So if you could kind of give us a little glimpse of what you're expecting from us that would be appreciated.
Chair Lavagnino and board members, when we come back from the lunch break and closed session, Mr. Alvarez will give an overview of general county programs and talk about the different fund balances which we do annually. We'll have a presentation on maintenance issues so it's giving you an update of what we know now from the Jorgensen report which is not completed yet. Mr. Bozanich will do that and Mr. Alvarez will talk about different funding options for that. There are again no decisions that need to be made today on those.
And finally, I'll just give a quick recap and really to entertain any discussion by your board. Again there are no decisions that need to be made today but any input you want to give to me in the CEO's office as we do final budget balancing and prepare the recommended budget. That would be the time to have that discussion.
Okay well I'm kind of curious from my other board members I think I'd be a disadvantage if I come back and I say, hey, if somebody else has a list. And I don't have a list so I'm curious of what our plans are or how we feel this is going to go. Personally, I think we've received a lot of great information but I'm not prepared at this time to say go line by line which ones because of the fact that I think we're still two months away from when we need to make those decisions.
How's everybody else. We'll just start down there and go this way. Supervisor Adam?
Well, I understood CEO Myasato wanted some guidance here that was the whole purpose behind this exercise was it not?
Supervising through the chair. Part of the exercise is for you to understand what's happening in the departments, to give feedback to the departments which you did but you're right Supervisor Adam it's if there are really high priorities since I've only been here four months I'd like to know what those are for your board so I can put together a recommended budget that is prudent but also addresses some of them many of them we won't be able to address but I'd like to hear that
Thank you. Okay, well I'm prepared to give you guidance. I am not prepared to go down a list. Right, okay.
Chair Labadino and Supervisors, I think it might be helpful also just for a quick snapshot of the County Budget Act given your question so that it would be entirely proper under the County Budget Act for individual supervisors to discuss items or generalities of what you're looking for in the recommended budget But the statutory responsibility to come back with a balanced recommended budget is actually on the CEO and she could come back.
With after whatever guidance you provide on a particular item saying I've had this item, here's what a supervisor said however I'm recommending a zero balance on that in order to balance the budget so just for expectations. Okay very good Supervisor Wolfe?
Thank you. I don't want to say at this particular moment. What I'm going to do or not do it's I don' think we're going to go through like we do with budget and have our little boxes and tell you those specifics right now, but I I don't know, it may be specifics or just maybe generalizations. I think we have a lot of things to look at. We have some departments that had made recommendations for us to allocate some of their fund balance to new positions which I think is separate from the opportunity or the possibility of utilizing that $700,000 that was ongoing.
There may be opportunities there are some requests for one-time expenditures that we may want to look at and ask more questions about so I'm glad that we have you know a few hours where we can have free flowing discussion on some of these issues And and if the opportunity arises to give you some Either specific or general direction, so you have an idea before we go into budget
Okay supervisor Carball
Thank you Mr. Chair, I appreciate you outlining what the expectation was or is. I personally am going to identify just a few items that I think are important for me to be highlighted in your recommendations if possible. But there is every department made a compelling argument. Some guys made a compelling argument, Mr. Holland the DA all our publics I mean they're all they all gave us a list of their wish lists and their priorities.
I'm looking to you to kind of come back and say based on all my analysis my conversations with these department heads these are essential and these are the ones I'm recommending If you want to fund more, knock yourselves out board. But to give us your recommendations based on what's prudent, the numbers that you have seen, the persuasive arguments they have made to you and I think you're going to come back with a good recommendation of what's prudent and what's not.
There's a few items that I personally I would hope that they're also included, and that's why I'm going to touch on them. But I'm not going to touch on every one because I think they all had very compelling arguments. And I could see myself going through the list, DA, auditor but I think, I'm going to leave that to you. I will just give you a very small list of some things that I think I would like to see and then just take it from there. That's how I'm approaching it so.
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Thank you Mister chair. CEO Miyasato I mean, I think that this is a workshop and so it was primarily informational. I think it was to give the board and public an opportunity to see where we were and what individual departments wanted to see. And the general public to come in with some of their requests but it's also been kind of a moving target even as we've gone along Because each department may or may not still feel that what they submitted to you before is where they are. We've had a change in public health, we've had a change in any number of departments and I think that also based on some of our comments that they would want to go back and they may want to move money from a reserve into the operations to do something. The other thing is that you know when we work on in June by then we have a much better idea of what of what additional revenue.
We have or not and whether it's one time or whether it's ongoing and that certainly Shapes my decision on what the you know the budget want but that various department budget wants so I just think that it's so much in flux now that it's kind of hard for me to throw a dart at anything because I don't think the departments themselves have really finalized where they are and I certainly agree with Supervisor Carbajal That once this starts to gel more before the budget is printed, then that's your opportunity to say okay now we have a clearer picture. But I think that this was really an important process. It's been very useful. It certainly gives us some idea I think it is a fluid process.
And we did hire you and we think you come with great expertise. Once it's fluid, but two, it wouldn't do much to the process if we sit up here based on our department heads coming up and saying I need this, this, this, this, and then we just... I kind of look to your expertise, your vetting, your discussions with department heads that tell us okay, I've considered everything, this is what I think Give us your give us your down and dirty what you think is best. And then we'll take it from there, but I really want to empower you Mona to really have those hard conversations with staff they have to convince you we've hired you.
As our front person to really give us your best shot and your best expertise in bedding with all the department heads. And I think we could take it from there, but I want to make sure that you have that empowerment with all our staff to conduct that exercise and then recommend to us.
Okay so we've all kind of figured out where we're going to go. We're going to have a lot of discussion about this. I'm not sure if we can do it in 3 or 4 different ways. Yeah, well all over the place like normal but I really see the value in this though because I mean fleshing all these things out early even though it's all influx and you want to get the sooner we deal with these things. We start working on them. The better so I much prefer All right, so we are going to come back at 1.30 and we'll break for closed session and lunch and we'll see you back at 1 30.
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I don't know. I'm just going to play with it. All right, welcome back. We are poised to move into non-county agency requests at this point, I believe. Mr. Gazzani can we get a report from closed session please?
Yes the report from closed session are that no reportable actions were taken.
Well that was yesterday. I am tired. So we're in outside organizations and non-county agency with us where the heck that was yesterday again. Where's the vice chair? Oh, there we are. 3 days in a row. Okay. So we are moving to general County programs and fund balances. Okay, so CEO's office. Mister Alvarez bail me out.
Thank you, Chair Lavagnino. Members of the Board, we're now going to talk about general county programs and with this I'll say department within Finn it really houses programs and projects that really don't fit into another department. It may from time to time be used for a new operation that is just kind of like an incubator until it finds a home so it's a combination of miscellaneous things. So as we start Looking at the operating funds that are identified here of $5 million. That's really three main components, it's 1.2 million of the Human Services Commission. It's got debt service of about 2.8 million and children's health care initiative of about a million dollars.
There's also things like LAFCO, homeless coordinator gang support these all go through general county programs. The capital is zero for this year. The general fund allocation is 15.4 million. And we also set money aside for various things, so that $15 million would include the five above that we'd be funding. Plus it would also include new jail operations, so next year's allocation for 14-15 is targeted to be $4.6 million.
Facilities management is targeted at 2.3 million dollars, program restoration or emerging issues is going to be two million. We'll come back to that a little bit later. Per our budget policy we're identifying a million dollars to the strategic reserve. We have $500,000 allocated to roads and 500,000 allocated for contingencies.
Is that anywhere in the? Yeah, we would love to have that. That's very important for us.
Absolutely and so one of the things that I was going to say about these schedules in general where you know these are draft schedules if you will and this department is really the very very last department to be done because any other changes we make during these will impact how much funds are available and how much roll through these schedules as you may recall in When we have the draft the pages and which is in here plus when we come to the final amount will have this all detailed out for you. But we'll do that right at the tail end
of today are you talking about Jim
of June.
Yeah, but
we could we can certainly send a look we're
not going to hold you to it I just want to see what you're working off of so I can say OK in the plan is a million see I don't know what I didn't know millions going to strategic reserve that was planned That's nice to know so that I know if I want to put more in this is already budgeted or not budgeted. So we can just get a look at what you're working off of kind of what your sketches, I think we would all appreciate that.
Yeah and it'll just be the main elements but I'm happy to send them
absolutely okay.
FTEs, there are none. Use of one-time again is kind of misleading in this department because it funds a lot of one time things. Service level reductions again so a lot of this is not going to be...this format does not really apply so much to this department. So as we go to the next slide, you can see it's primarily general fund contribution. There's other funds coming over that are going towards really taking care of debt service that fines forfeitures and penalties goes to some of our construction and COP funds that we have so that's what those funds are used for.
As we go on to the next slide, the five-year comparison of general fund. Again, we used to use this department to allocate all the special revenue funds general fund contribution. That's no longer the case. It goes directly to them now out of general revenues so that's why you have the very large amount there in 1011. So again it will vary from year to year.
Use of one time again, we're really just identifying funding sources for various things here. So there's... Again that will change again from year to year. In terms of accomplishments it's again really a funding department so here we have that we maintain funding for the Children's Healthcare Initiative. We continue to set aside funding for the North Branch Jail We increased supplemental funding for roads maintenance at the board's discretion, and that was $2 million in 13-14.
We continued support for South County Task Force and the Central Coast Collaborative on Homelessness. And we set aside funds into committed fund balances for future years, and that would be strategic reserve facilities maintenance and contingencies. In terms of objectives, it's really the same items that we're funding. So as I initially talked about those fundings in the schedule that I'll give you, it really talks about those issues that we are funding and it's consistent throughout this presentation.
So we'll go on to the next slide. Again, continuing with our plan for the North Branch Jail, identifying county deferred maintenance projects and develop long-term funding plan that's one of the things will be coming back a little bit later on today and continue to build our strategic reserve. Summary continue funding of current and future projects as directed by the Board of Supervisors. And Dennis I think we added one more slide in here, and this was the slide that we just handed out. I believe there's copies in the back What we'll do is we finish things up is will show the changes that are occurring between these ending balances So we're showing here in the 630 2014 column That's what we're We're estimating will be the ending balance based on the current adjusted budget.
What we'll do in this process as we go finalize our third quarter review, we'll actually update that with what we think the... Okay Supervisor Farr?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. When I looked at this more closely, I started to see where you were getting those numbers that you were talking about. So as long as you've got them up there, let's just go through them. So under litigation it looks like you're expecting that we're going to use about $550,000 and that's why that's going to go down to 696-542.
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That's correct. We budget $500,000 each year to be used for outside litigation. We also have been incurring some costs related to as you recall the clerk recorder assessor talking about an appeal that will need some outside litigation on. So we've transferred some funds to him for that and we may need to do with that again next year
Okay, so the hundred thousand dollars that mr. Holland talked about is kind of an expansion for that litigation That's not really something then that we have to look to considering adding to his budget It's already factored into this particular column.
That's correct
Okay And it also then is saying that we're not planning to add any money new money into the litigation because we've got the 1.2 and it's adequate for What we think we might need into the coming fiscal year
That's correct. And as we start thinking about emerging issues a couple of years down the road, we'll need to think about replenishing
that. Okay but no new money for the next year? So then the salary and benefits at 5.1 going down to 1.7- Pardon me Supervisor Clark. So that's about 3.4 million that's being used taken out of that
for something. If I could interrupt for one second? Sure. Just to backtrack a little bit because to explain the format of this schedule so we skipped over roads which is just above the litigation and what we don't show is the activity between the two periods With roads, we're assuming that we're going to fund $500,000 and the department will draw that down. So I just did want to point out that we are assuming again that we'll be funding them for $500,000.
Okay so it should say 500,000 going to well but actually would be okay I get that all right so then the salary benefit reductions it looks like you're anticipating using about 3.4 million of that
That's correct. That was the amount that will be funded in the general fund and we were going to be using these funds to address some of those increases in salary and benefit issues, so that's where we're transferring these out
to be used. Okay. So then the deferred maintenance shows the adding of that $500,000 which we have done every year pretty
much? There are other components as well, so what we're funding in there would be... And again it'll be going in and coming out 1.3 million for general services $500,000 going in and coming out for parks. And then previously we had funded $500,000 for capital outlay and during last year's budget hearings we determined that that $500 thousand would move to maintenance And so that's the extra 500,000 you're seeing increasing here is what we used to put to capital for this purpose. We've got that now showing in this funding source of $500,000 and can be allocated by your board as we go through the budget hearings.
Okay, so I think that when this comes back it would be good if we had that detail under the deferred maintenance. Because there's a lot going on there that's hidden with just the numbers. There's an assumption of money coming in and an equivalent amount of money coming out, and then some money going in that's staying in. That's the 500,000. And that was the change from that capital outlay. So I think that deferred maintenance line now needs greater The audit exception. So then that's showing that we're not planning to add any money to that because that amount is staying the same.
All right, and then we have the new jail operations and adding money into that. Then the program restoration looks like we're adding 5.2 million to that. And what is that? Left over at the end of the year and is that one time money or ongoing money?
That would be one-time funding.
Okay, one time and program restoration
board members when I said there's they'll be about five million of one-time funds available That's what I was talking about This amount here.
Okay So so five million anyway five million to five two all right pop
in on that just for a second supervisor So is that fund balance carryover? That we anticipate or is it other programs that came in that we might Not known about before
it's a couple of things it is About $2 million is next year's funding that is going to be one time in nature. So we have an increase in cost allocation plan, but it's not thought to be permanent. We've identified that and added that in here. I would say these would be one-time sources within the 14-15 year. And I'll give you more detail on that within the
session. As far as supervisor Adam has questions, we'll go back to the rest of the list if you want. Okay well
I've just got two
more.
So then on contingencies it looks like you're planning to add another $500,000 to that that goes from the 2 million to the 2.5?
Yes and that is in line with our policies.
Okay. And then the strategic reserve when you said earlier about adding another million of the strategic reserve, that's where this is coming from then because we started out with 21 million and then were able to add some at the end I think of last year which is what brought us to the 25 And then we're going to add another million so that we end up with 26.
Is what the estimate is
that's correct and so we did at a large amount from the prior years closing and then we also if you recall we allocated 4 million dollars to the new jail 1022 project. That's deducted out of this month. That's
why that's already let's take it so this is all net yes everything we've taken out okay thank you Mr. Chair
supervisor Adam yeah you know I was just gonna say this is like reversed out or something it's this is very weird format for me I don't I don't quite understand and maybe it's just an effort to simplify it. But it kind of complicated for me because you know, I'm sitting here looking at what the estimated balances are in the projected balances and there's no explanation in their why we just ended up with another million dollars in the strategic reserve for instance.
Yeah, I
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I appreciate that and hearing what the board's saying. I'll come back with a detail that shows all the changes between period to period. Okay,
very good.
Okay. And so I think we've gone through all the items on here and those are the major funding set-asides that we have.
Actually, Mr. Chair, so I just want to be clear if you are projecting an end of the year positive for the end of this fiscal year is that already accounted for then someplace in one of these accounts?
Supervisor Farr through the Chair, this uses the adjusted budget figure so there might be a little bit of that but when we say when we do the third quarter estimate and we'll come back and say here's how we think we're going to finish for the year based on our current estimates. That would not be overlaid in here that will be updated when we come back to you in June.
Okay. And then like what happened last year, this is also based on property tax estimates or the income and so if there was some change in that one way or the other from the estimates then you would come back with an adjustment there?
That is correct.
Okay, thank
you.
Thank you Mr. Chair. You know what seems confusing Tom? Is that looking at it from a lay person's perspective I think what might be best is if we see how much general fund do we now have in the black And how much of that is one time. In other words, before we add the guiding principles, the budget principles. So then we could see you actually have a million dollars more but if you go by your guiding principles, you're allocating some of that surplus to your strategic reserve. These are all the positive things you're doing but this is your surplus. I think once you show the surplus, you show how the guiding principles affect it You show how we're being prudent in allocating that money towards these pockets or these areas that we have said are important to us.
Strategic reserve, the jail, ongoing reserve that we're growing. So I think it would make it very easy for the public and everybody to understand is look you're ending up in the black. This is one time. This is ongoing general fund, but this is the way you're choosing to allocate it before you allocate the rest of the one-time funds so it just makes it very easy to follow. So I understand why Supervisor Adam was saying the format's a little odd because you really got to pay attention To follow everything but I think the easier you can make it.
The easier for the public and everybody who's trying to follow us.
Thank you and we'll lay that out and I apologize because, you know, we did just hand this out just before this. This is the last thing we've got so we really didn't have a lot of time to put it together and I didn't, you know... Anyway, I will make sure I get it out and I will take your comments into consideration and show that as well.
Great. Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a question on the contingencies. So our budget principles state that we need to add $500,000 a year? Is that correct? I guess there was a time when we had the list, the original $500,000 and then we would be drawing it down and we would see that almost every month But it seems like in the past few years we've been very conservative and using those contingency funds. And I think that's reflected here, in that we've been building up that fund to over $2 million. Does our policy state at what point We stop adding to the contingency and then either move that into strategic and then just stop adding to contingency and move that money into strategic reserve.
Supervisor Wolf for the chair. So we have had the policy of 500,000 for some time I think it used to be a little bit higher But it's certainly the kind of thing that you would want to reevaluate and determine how much need you had there We did recognize four million dollars within this current fiscal year and added to this for some identified needs such as the $900,000 match towards the public works grant and I think we have OIG issue coming up that we may have to deal with. We thought we might have to have some funds set aside for mental health as well, and that's one of the reasons we're carrying a large balance right now.
I'm pleased to report the last word for mental health sounds like it may be having better results. We'll have to keep an eye on that, but at this point we do have a balance in excess of $2 million and we do have the detail of what's come out of there and how that's accumulated if
that's helpful to you. And thank you for reminding me about the roads. I did forget about that. Okay. Thank you.
Tom, this is good news but I don't remember adding almost $4.3 million to the strategic reserve. Did we do that at the end of budget last year? Or is that what was realized after we...
The largest increase was the closing of the prior year and we had eight million dollars that was added to the strategic reserve and then we backed out the four million for the 1022. Okay. Supervisor Farr.
Thank you Mr. Chair just before we leave this. Tom, you had said that the capital outlay then was kind of being folded into the deferred... which one was it?
The maintenance funding.
The maintenance money, yeah. So this $19,000 that's still in capital outlay, why wouldn't we just eliminate that column and fold whatever is left in that in with the rest?
Supervisor Farr, we will do that before the end of the year.
Okay. So again, you know, kind of back to almost each of these columns need to have a little asterisk or footnote explaining what happened and what went into them so we understand. Certainly. Thank you.
All right. Very good. You didn't think one chart could give you that much information on our questions? This is our favorite chart, but it's baking right now. It's not done. All right we will go to public comment.
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Mr. Caldwell
Chairman Lavinino, members of the board, Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. I know that I think you may have had a preliminary discussion at least from the boards perspective on this yesterday but we're having a really hard time understanding why 1 million is still going to the Children's Health Initiative. With the advent of Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act and the fact that the county clinics treat pretty much anybody that walks through the door no questions asked.
We don't understand why a million dollars would still be going and I think that a point that we made when this program was started is now I think more better understood among the general members of the public having insurance doesn't necessarily mean you get care. And we've always argued that we would rather see the million go into the public health clinics, or a million going back to the care providers that are treating people for free because they can't refuse treatment or service to people versus buying insurance.
And I don't understand why we haven't had an evaluation on how many That are under how many people are served by this $1 million insurance plan. How many of those people actually got care last year, utilized benefits and resources? And how many of them would qualify for Affordable Care Act and if they don't qualify why not? I think before you spend a million bucks when the entire insurance things tumult I think that you owe it to the people to give them that explanation.
Finally, on the maintenance, they talked about developing a plan and I know they have this Jurgensen report out there. During the last segment, I mentioned the issue that we'd like to see these reports even if they're draft come out before the absentee ballots and this cuts both ways. I'm basically neutral in a sense on Measure M because I got board members on one side and I got board members on the other. I like the idea in principle, I don't know about the timing of it so I kind of go vacillate a little bit but the bottom line I think that people who want Measure M would benefit from having this information and I think the people who oppose Measure M could Benefit from having this information and I think you owe it to the voters to get it out there because again 50% over 50% vote by absentee and most all of them do that within a day or two of receiving that ballot.
And so, I don't understand if you've got a draft report out there already why you're not having this hearing so people know And again, whether Measure M passes or not, we've been asking for 20 years for you to come up with a plan to pay down your debt. Because this is debt. The wheels are falling off the county building. The roof's leaking. The elevators, the heaters, the air conditioners, the infrastructure, it's fallen apart. You need to have a plan regardless of Measure M. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr. Allen? Jeff Alexander? To be followed by Tracy Farhad.
Cheryl Avenino and Supervisors, so I've been the Santa Barbara County Film Commissioner for seven years now. And each year around this time the county finds itself in the position of asking how it will pay for critical budget items. You find yourselves wrestling with difficult choices when it comes to allocating funds towards roads required for basic transportation The parts which all county residents enjoy basic services such as law enforcement, fire department and maintenance for deteriorating county assets. You obviously know the line items better than I do but I'm here today to remind you That tourism is a critical source of revenue for these countywide needs. This really is about the numbers, and in 2013 we completed a year-long visitor survey on South Coast Tourism that captured some pretty compelling data.
Let's start with 6.1 million visitors to the south coast in 2013. $1.5 billion spent by visitors to the South Coast, 1.5 billion dollars when you pay for roads and maintenance fire sheriff and other basic programs a significant amount comes from 46 million dollars generated in hotel property and sales taxes by South Coast tourism. And let's not forget about the more than 12,000 jobs accounted for in the South Coast tourism industry.
When you consider the facts there is no question, tourism is one of the most important economic drivers in Santa Barbara County. In the coming weeks, you'll be discussing raising TOT in the county precisely because it is such an important source of revenue. As you consider this and allocating funds for the future, I would urge you to remember that you have a meaningful public-private partnership in place between the county and area chambers. Visit Santa Barbara and the Santa Barbara County Film Commission staffed by dedicated professionals who work day in and day out to bring much needed economic activity and revenues to our county.
Last year, you recognized the value of this partnership by voting to include this funding as an ongoing budgetary item. This year, the tourism industry throughout Santa Barbara would like to suggest that it's time to consider putting a slightly more than symbolic effort into this partnership which is after all not only something that feeds your short-term needs but also is an investment in the future of Santa Barbara County. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jay.
Tracy Frod? Who's our final speaker? Good afternoon.
Good afternoon, Chair, Supervisors. I am Tracy Farhad, Executive Director of the Solvang Conference and Visitors Bureau. And I'm speaking on behalf of our Board of Directors and for my sister destination marketing organizations in the Santa Ynez Valley including Buellton Visitors Bureau, Visit the Santa Ynez Valley, and as well as Solvang Chamber of Commerce.
We want to thank you, the county staff and supervisors for recognizing tourism funding as a regular line item investment on your budget starting last year. That sent a clear signal you are indeed supporters of this crucial economic revenue generator that puts heads in beds and keeps registers ringing. Now, impacts of tourism in Solvang alone generated 1.5 million visitors in 2012 with over 98 million in annual spending. The TOT revenue, the bed tax revenue brought in over 2.6 million to the city of Solvang and supported nearly 30% of our workforce.
So combined, the tourism-generated taxes help the city provide services that otherwise would cost an equivalent of $1,450 each per household in Solvang. We like saving money for our taxpayers and that's good for everyone. Our collaborative efforts along with Visit Santa Barbara, the Lompoc Chamber, Santa Barbara Vintners, and others strive to eliminate costly marketing duplications and leveraging your contributions to the max.
Now an example, we are currently partnering to promote the 10th anniversary of the feature film Sideways with Fox Searchlight Studios along with the businesses that continue to reap those film tourism businesses and benefits. We've also supported the Film Commission with both monetary and human resources. And we join forces on county-wide sales efforts to journalists, tour operators, meeting planners, leisure, and conferences. So thank you again for keeping tourism funding alive for all your very hardworking marketing agencies. However, we could make you more money. We'd love to do that for you and with a steady increase over time I think we could support that in all your services. So when the City of Solvang increased our marketing efforts just overseas, we went from seeing two tour companies up to 27 in a very short amount of time sending bus loads.
That was just from Denmark. We kind of have that connection still. So, I echo the Visit Santa Barbara and Film Commissioner Jeff Alexander's sentiments today. And on behalf of the Solving CVB, the Solving Chamber of Commerce, Buellton Visitors Bureau and Visit the St. Nez Valley we ask you to consider a stronger investment in your number one collaborative tourism force. We are at your service. Thank you.
Thank you. Is that public comment? Okay so we will move on to special issues maintenance funding options Mr.
Buzanich. Chair Levin, you know members of the board the materials that I'll be presenting fall behind tab number 29 in your binders as well as for the public that might be looking at these materials online. So I'm pleased to present an update to the asset management plan development project that your board authorized last year You'll recall that just over a year ago, the board discussed the county's deferred maintenance needs and directed the CEO staff to return with a series of options. The CEO office returned and the board directed the hiring of a consultant to assess the buildings and parks and to develop an asset management plan recognizing that the roads are already covered under the roadmap program developed by the Public Works Department.
In October, the board approved a contract with Jorgensen's Associates Incorporated and they began work the very next day assessing the county's buildings and parks. Just to remind you about the contract deliverables that you authorized last October, there were two phases to this project and two phase delivery. First is a facility condition assessment profile which will be an in-depth study of the systems that make up each of our buildings and parks in nine different categories.
It also will then identify an opinion about the probable costs of repair and maintaining of those particular building systems and park systems. And then we'll identify the qualifications and limiting conditions that your board as policy makers would want to keep in mind, as you go forward with utilizing this profile in identifying various maintenance needs.
In front of me, I stacked up seven reams of paper. And that is going to be representative of what the report for this phase one will entail. Jorgensen is currently in the process of producing exactly this size report for this phase one deliverable and I'll show you the amount and volume of information that you will find in these roughly 3500 pages that will be delivered in May.
Phase 2 of this project was to have Jorgensen deliver a maintenance management plan that would look at prioritized maintenance needs over the next 20 years, looking at it in five-year segments. It would list the immediate maintenance needs, and as Mr. Chanas and Mr. Pontes from General Services noted earlier this morning that they will be prioritizing those health and safety type in maintenance items at the highest parts of that list.
And it will recommend a maintenance management tool so that we can keep track on a flow basis of meeting and how we're providing for the maintenance on our various buildings and parks. Just to give you a sense of what has happened since October of 2013, I mentioned that literally the day following your approval, Jorgensen had in the field nine experts that met face-to-face with our departmental maintenance staff from General Services and from Community Services Parks Division.
They inspected 73% of all buildings and their components, as well as playgrounds on all of our parks facilities. That incorporates an evaluation of just over 8 1⁄2 million square feet of buildings with a current replacement value of $715 million. They also evaluated 310 acres of parks facilities with a current replacement value of $240 million. Just to note about current replacement value, that is a standard within the industry that talks about how do you replace like building and property improvements for similar building improvements? It does not include your land costs but simply Property improvements that you would see there and so that's the what is used to calculate that current replacement value.
The estimated deferred maintenance, that's the backlog of maintenance items currently on that inventory of 800 8 1⁄2 million square feet in the 310 acres of parks is estimated to be $94 million. Some overall sense from Jorgensen and again this is all found in the report that Jorgensen provided for us in greater detail, but the highlights of their identified overall facility conditions and buildings there at least being maintained at a minimum level of service.
They did identify multiple times when equipment is not quite aligned with the operating environment. And perhaps I could give you a couple of examples in areas where there is, for example, a lot of water around some of our beach facilities, for example. There are places where non-galvanized metals and non-treated woods are being utilized in those facilities or in a situation that would require a rated electrical panel we have an unrated electrical panel And vice versa. And so that is when Jorgensen's identified that equipment is not quite aligned with the operating environment, that's what they noticed in many of our facilities.
They also identified that more pest control is required to minimize ongoing damage to our properties and in particular here I think I would highlight little gophers chewing up our park facilities in particular. Supervisor Wolf has a question?
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I'm just wondering if they took into account. Thank you, Mister chair. I wonder if they took into account for instance at Henry's Beach the bathrooms there are and terrible condition. Can't even imagine what they rated but did they take into account or or maybe not the fact that we're putting in new new restroom facilities and that location
Supervisor Wolf through the chair, they did not take into account that those new facilities are coming online. As we continue this will be a living document and as those new bathroom facilities come online at Arroyo Borough, they will be able to identify the old bathrooms for their new intended purpose and then obviously be able to evaluate the new bathroom facilities in much better shape.
It was it would be virtually impossible with the task in front of them to compile all this To do the anticipation for what would be coming in the future?
Right. I understand. It's just we're not doing all that much and so, you know something that is as Significant as that. I was just wondering if maybe that was You know and to what degree it would lower the amount of maintenance cost but anyway Thank you
Yes, Supervisor. It would have an effect as that moves offline in essence. Thank you very much. So some of their impressions on our parks facilities are that the site improvements are at or below any kind of minimum level of service and in particular here we're talking about the internal access roads, parking lots, some of the landscaping Are at or below the minimum levels of service.
The children's play areas require remedial and renewal maintenance programs to keep them safe and secure, and operating normally. And having them so that they would be available for children to utilize. And then parks buildings that we have are at a minimum level of service as well. A little bit of understanding about what we talk about when you're going to see some discussion about annual renewal funding. And as you get this 3,500 page report it will partially focus on the issue of annual renewal funding.
Industry standards suggest that renewal funding of approximately 2-4% of your current replacement value is necessary on an annual basis to be able to provide for the maintenance needs of your facilities and the assets that you're managing in our portfolio. And that 2% to 4% is basically made up of three components. First of all, it's the operating expense. And so this is the stuff you would think about in our world where we have hired maintenance employees that are working for us Our parks rangers that provide obviously operational maintenance on an ongoing basis, they are all calculated into this equation of determining whether or not funding for maintenance is adequate as part of this operating expense. If I was to give you an analogy one that we could probably all think about if we were thinking about maintaining our automobile This would be doing the oil changes and changing the air filters.
That kind of work, all right? That's your operating expenses. The next category that goes into renewal funding is our project expenses. And these are things that are slightly larger than just that regular ongoing maintenance of changing your oil every 3,000 or 4,000 or 10,000 miles. And these are the things that you might have to replace because they wear out.
They're not large ticket items, so they don't rise to the level of being a capital investment. But they might be things on your car like brakes, tires and such where they are expensive items but they... And there's something you do on an occasional basis but you don't do as regularly as changing your oil for example or changing your wiper blades. The final type of component of renewal funding would be those capital expenses. And for your automobile, this might be where you have to invest in a new transmission, a new engine, those kinds of components.
In our building world, our operating expenses and in our parks are operating expenses go toward things like the regular sweeping and vacuuming and those kinds of works. The basic fixing and repairing of a leaky faucet, the fixing of a leaky irrigation system at a park, mowing the lawn at a park, trimming the bushes at a park that fits into that very first component of your renewal funding.
The project expenses are things that you can put off for a week or two, or maybe even a month. But eventually you're going to have to do something. You're going to replace an item in a particular park facility because it is worn out. Small pieces of the building's mechanical systems, segments of a building's mechanical systems would be examples there. And then it would also incorporate this capital expense. So it might be, for example in this building, might mean replacing the roof would be a capital expense. It would probably amount to something over $100,000 that we would want to capitalize.
So I want us just to understand this and I think Jorgensen's report is going to use this language and just as providing your board with an update as you think about budget going forward, I think this concept of renewal funding becomes really critical. So, renewal funding is required or the maintenance backlog will increase. It's a very simple way to think of it. We've used this term deferred maintenance very interchangeably but Jorgensen is going to use it in a very specific way in their final report and so I want us to recognize that without doing the adequate renewal funding that 2-4% you are In their world adding to and in the building maintenance world you're adding to the deferred maintenance, the backlog.
And hopefully that makes sense. Jorgensen's even though they have evaluated about 700 million dollars worth of our portfolio They estimate that our total current portfolio to be over 1.1 billion dollars and let me give you a couple of examples of the things that they did not evaluate so I we did not have them evaluate for example the San Ynez Airport, we did not have them evaluate the County Bowl, we do not have them evaluate some of the microwave antenna installations that dot our mountain peaks so we can effectively communicate across this very large county And those are things that we could do at a later time. But to the extent they were being operated by somebody else, we thought it would, at this point, generate estimates on how much we're spending and maintenance.
It was too difficult to assess at this time. We certainly would be able now and capable of going back at a future point. Based on that $1.1 billion portfolio and using the 2-4% standard, we're looking at an approximate annual spending for renewal maintenance funding of between 22 and 44 million dollars on that portfolio. Just to give you a sense of what we're currently spending, and I really want to at this point recognize the significant work not only of our own budget and research staff and Mr. Alvarez as well as his team but also under the leadership of Renee Ball and others working with General Services Department and Community Services Department to identify what our actual spending is. We don't categorize our spending very clearly as maintenance spending and so this took quite a bit of work in order to provide these numbers to our consultant.
So they've identified about 7.4 million dollars in renewal spending that's being generated out of general services, community services parks Our about is about 4.6 million dollars and we've identified approximately 2 million of dollars that other departments across the organization looking at fin that are they're spending on maintenance renewal maintenance on an annual basis for a total of approximately 14 million dollars If you think about 2% of the evaluated portfolio, so down from that 1.1 but back to what they actually evaluated, Jorgensen has stated that they believe we need about $19.2 million just to achieve the 2% of the current replacement value for the evaluated portfolio and approximately another $3 million on the unevaluated portfolio.
Dennis, do we have a question? Supervisor Farr?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Bozanich in going back and looking at the budget presentations for general services and for parks there were renewal spending amounts put in there or maintenance amounts. The one for general services was very close to this I think it was 7.1 or something like that. The one for parks was just under a million dollars, 900 something thousand.
So I'm assuming that they really were based on other criteria other than this and it was only coincidental that the general services amount was the same?
Dennis, perhaps if you go to the next slide it'll...
So Chair and Supervisor Farr, perhaps this does... I'm trying to think of... Tom
where are you going? The seven million down on the bottom is what she's referring to from general services and CSD.
Yes. Yeah I'm sorry there you go very good thank you Tom. So when you see the net new is what you're looking at now is what you saw in their budget proposals from those two departments.
And then I think it's going to come on a few slides ahead. But you know, I have a question on the on kind of the baseline now you said that there were this is based on the buildings that have been assessed but there are still other buildings that haven't been assessed so whatever they need hasn't been built into these economic assumptions
Chair, Supervisor Farr that's correct.
Okay well I mean I noticed I saw it first but then I see it here later on the findings on the executive preliminary executive summary from Jorgensen. One of the first things listed in a couple categories is just to identify the accuracy of the county's asset inventory So it seems like that's the baseline. You know, what have we really got? Because otherwise I don't know what we're basing this on. And another thing it talks about is a maintenance program should be developed for out of service and abandoned buildings. Well, it seems like if they're out of service and or abandoned that the first decision needs to be well why is that? And do we really have any need for them?
Why would we even include them in any current or future study? You know- Mr. Alvarez,
I think wanted to take a stab at that.
So the portion that they did evaluate at the bottom of this current slide where it says 19.2 million, that was the items that they evaluated that were responsible for maintenance on. What they didn't evaluate, they estimate to be 2.9 so they did extrapolate the whole thing to say here's the entire amount of what we've examined and what we have not examined. I think that was your first comment.
Chair
and
then I know, but it sounds like we don't even know what we've got.
Chair and Supervisor Farr at the very beginning of this process. We worked really hard to catch up with what we had on hand. We have a far better list that you're going to see contained in these 3500 pages Then we started with frankly, thanks to the work of the consultant as well as our own maintenance staff in our general services and parks departments. It is a much more accurate list than it was at the very beginning of this process.
But that being said there is continual work required to make sure that we have a complete inventory And so when you see a finding that identifies that we need to make sure we have an accurate inventory, it's encouraging us to continue to do that additional work beyond what's already been done in order to upgrade and improve the quality of that data. And so we're going to continue to work with that. It has many implications, as you might well imagine for other things in terms of our risk management portfolio and others that will also be utilizing an accurate total inventory. On the last question, and maybe we could save it for later but I'll just briefly respond to what do we do about the out-of-service buildings or if we decide to decommission buildings as a part of any of this process?
As you may be aware, the state park system a couple of years ago as part of their budget reduction plans tried to identify the closing of parks as one strategy to reduce costs and kind of not necessarily going into what happened in the interim period. They recognized the difficulty and that there were continued expenses associated with the close even the closure of buildings or parks and so that is something that we'll just want to identify because we don't want to create attractive nuisances and other things that might lead to additional liability or additional expenses inside just offer that as a just a short response to your question which is an excellent one.
Well, thank you. But I mean, I think, you know, I wasn't talking about buildings or parks that are being used now that we might consider needing to close or reduce hours on in the future because of the expense. And I'm just looking at this one finding that talks about currently out-of-service and abandoned buildings. And so, it seems like General Services did a report about 07. That was some sort of an index even by district as to all of the county properties by district which I would assume was a starting point for this but we do also assume then that we found a lot of other properties on top of that to add to this very long inventory?
Chair, Supervisor Farr, yes.
Okay, well it's just kind of disconcerting that you know we didn't even know what we had. Thank you Mister
I'm just a little bit confused so on the 8 and a half million square feet of buildings was at a sample size that they did Is that the entire 19.2? Is that everything we own, and then the 2.9 is what we told them not to look at? But they've looked at everything that we know
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we own. Chair, other than those things that I mentioned that we excluded because their specialty unique properties, that's correct.
Okay so they've looked at everything, they just didn't look at some and said okay great. It was
chair just to clarify it was not a sample or anything along those lines
everything so when we get that huge reports can have every building exactly what needs to be done. Okay cool.
So just as Mr. Alvarez pointed out a moment ago, here's just kind of looking at that 2 to 4% annual renewal funding in some form or fashion. So what we would be identifying based on again the current replacement value, 2% of that current replacement value. Would be approximately sixteen and a half million dollars for general services buildings. And then another five and a half million dollars of renewal funding for community services parks. And then you'll see if we wanted to identify or put aside three percent it would be about twenty four plus eight point three million. And that at 4% the renewal funding would be at about 33 million dollars for buildings just over 11 million dollars for parks.
As noted, we're currently spending about 14 million dollars. And so the net new funding which is again thanks to Mister Alvarez for pointing it out and tying it back to the presentations of General Services and Parks earlier that's the 7.1 million And the roughly $938 million at the 2% level. And you can see the other dollar amounts that might be considered at the 3% level, about total of 19 million and at the 4% of current replacement value nearly $30 million of renewal funding.
If you extrapolate that, and Jorgensen extrapolated that spending on the current portfolio that they've evaluated. And at 2% of the current replacement value extrapolated out over the next 20 years, you see we go from the $19 million by year plus 20, we're looking at just about $37 million. In current renewal funding that would need to be spent again based on the current or replacement value in each of those years.
This does not take into account large assets like the North Branch Jail, though there is funding based baked into the operational's budget for maintenance of that building. This does not show that you won't see a big bubble in 1718 for example. Deferred maintenance then is the required maintenance, repair or capital replacement that was not accomplished in any given budget cycle. So to the extent in my car that I don't replace the tires this year when they needed it, or replace the brakes when I needed it, or replace the transmission when I needed it, it still needs replacing when I can afford it, the next year for example.
And so at this point, Jorgensen has identified about $59 million in deferred maintenance projects and capital for buildings. And just over $35 million in deferred maintenance projects and capital expenses for parks for a total of about $94 million. That $94 million divided into the $955.4 million current replacement value for both parks and buildings results in an FCI of 9.8, and you can see that on the chart below.
This chart, a little bit more complex and I'll walk you through it. The green line represents the increased value of our portfolio over the next 20 years. The taller bars represent the total replacement value, the current replacement value of our total portfolio over the next 20 years rising from just under 950 $1 million all the way up to $1.82 billion 20 years out.
If we keep spending the current level of funding over those next 20 years, the amount of accumulated deferred maintenance is represented by the orange bars moving from the $95 million I just offered you all the way out to almost $750-$760 million by year 20. And what you see in the line part of the graph associates itself with the scale on the right-hand side of that chart. And that's what occurs to the FCI for our buildings and parks over the next 20 years with the current level of funding, moving from the 9.8% to just over 50% FCI.
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Supervisor Adam. Which is a decrease in condition, just to be-
Chair, Supervisor Adam that is correct. It's a decrease in the condition by the increase of the FCI notes a decrease in the conditions.
Right so let's look can we roll back a couple of slides that one right there. OK, so where would 50% be? Do you have a pointer? Where would 50% be by your estimation in that slide
about right
there? OK alright just so we're all clear about the FCI number and how it works. So it's like golf.
You want to lower number as opposed to the PCI when you want a higher number.
That'd be correct chair.
I was good for confusing this. It's crazy.
Because it when you talk PCI, it's the inverse of FCI.
So just to summarize some of those findings and qualifying conditions identified by Jorgensen at this point in their reporting process. They as noted by Supervisor Farr a few moments ago there are challenges in the existing identification accuracy Asset inventory. It's dramatically improved, but we believe there will need to be additional efforts put into confirming that asset inventory to a much higher level of confidence than we even currently have with the added facilities that Jorgensen included in the inventory.
There's less significant but a challenging issue continues to exist within How we value the county real property asset base I've discussed with mr. Geis Working and trying to tackle this valuation issue so that we can use it as a critical tool moving forward in identifying In the future buildings where the cost-benefit analysis might warrant us to I'm going to talk a little bit about some of the things that we've been working on.
a pretty poor collection of as-built drawings for our property, which made the actual going on site visits extremely difficult in order to identify where all the building components were and then hence be able to evaluate their condition. And we may want to invest some energy and expense in pulling together those as-built drawings of our various properties, particularly perhaps our high value properties to help us maintain them more effectively.
And that we generally have an old portfolio As regards to buildings and structures, we've been around for a while as an organization. And as you know if you drive an older car generally your maintenance expenses go up just with an older car versus a newer car. And so overall the age of our portfolio is such that that is causing many of the costs attendant to maintaining our buildings.
And that we routinely have low skill tasks being performed by high skilled technicians due to some of the maintenance staff reductions. So this, one of the results of our reductions in staffing particularly in general services and to some degree in our parks division of community services Is that we laid off maintenance worker ones, maintenance worker twos and retained the high skilled heating and ventilation air conditioning technicians electrical technicians.
And so when we need somebody to replace a filter in an air conditioning unit the person we have on hand to do that very often is our HVAC tech And not that there's nothing that they can't do, but using that individual at their salary range for doing basic replacement of filters. There's probably a more efficient model we could use and so one of the things that Jorgensen noticed is we've got these great staff but they're doing stuff and they're spending a lot of time having to do things that frankly makes it fairly expensive filter changes.
Some of the the recommendations is that so far.
Well, Mister I guess I'll just preempt you. I mean why would we develop a maintenance program for out-of-service and abandoned buildings?
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Chair and Supervisor Farr, there may be a variety of reasons. So for example if we're going to hold on to an asset rather than eliminate that asset from our portfolio by sale or demolition or some other form of eliminating that position there is going to be a maintenance requirement on that building. And I would just point you know to the juvenile facility over on Hollister I mean, there are things that we're not using that building fully at this point. But there are maintenance costs associated with that. We have to determine what's the value of spending those maintenance dollars on a facility like that? I don't mean to pick on them but I'm trying to provide a realistic example of something that we're all aware of in that you know what does it cost and what level do we want to maintain it?
Or do we want to eliminate that from our portfolio through sale or some other means? So in a simple answer, that's why we would wanna come up with the plan.
Okay and actually I think you need to go to the next slide because this is the one that we're looking at. I mean, I think that this first one and then the second one about identifying and disposing of buildings beyond an economic or useful life. I mean, if it's if it's really old. If it's out of service, if Do we think we're going to need it for another use? And then, then we go from there. How long is it going to be before we think we need it again? What other options do we have for that because again going back to really what do we have and where is it?
That's such a key first step before we get into how much it's going to cost to maintain it. That just has to happen first, and that's a longer-range planning issue that the maintenance then certainly comes out of, and we don't want to not maintain them. But if we're just keeping them and we have no idea how or when we're ever going to use them again, then it seems like some decisions need to be made.
Supervisor far through the chair. Absolutely. That's absolutely correct. Supervisor
Adam? Well, actually just one more thing because I think then when that's done, that's going to change all these numbers that we're looking at because even if we're adding in an estimate for maintenance for those buildings that haven't even been assessed, if those buildings haven't been assessed are in this category If we don't do that. Then you know, we might be able to really shrink some of these numbers so this this seems like it's kind of the worst case scenario which is fine to look at but you know there's a significant cost involved then we've got to do that cost benefit issue. Thank you. Mister chair
supervisor and I see Mister Pontus worked himself down Okay, okay. Well this is why we've got to have this conversation. You've got to know what you have which obviously we don't. You've got to know what it's going to cost to potentially keep everything and then you've just got to go through it all piece by piece and decide whether or not it's worth it to keep it.
And if you have something you probably ought to maintain it.
We're not using it. I think that's going to be in page. 7, 6, Yeah, you know, and
God bless us for having done the report. Now we've got to go through it. Now the work starts.
Just to continue and just to wrap up a couple of final points, one of the other recommendations is that our signage on our various parks and buildings is extremely inconsistent. Well I'll use the word significantly, that's the word they used. And it's really absent of any kind of brand image for the county Again, this is not one of those kind of high stakes, high risk kinds of observations and recommendations coming out of the consultant.
But it was rather noticeable compared to their many other clients that they've had that we have a variety of signage based on whose department it's being run by. So just an observation that they had from their professional background. Some of the known unknowns and we've talked a little bit about these throughout the presentation. Really, the consultant did not spend any time in those county owned properties that are operated by others and so their condition and the spending that is being made by those Those property possessors are operate property operators would be the better term to use that we did not assess that so there's some possibilities there.
There are some properties obviously that we lease that are owned by others in this evaluation did not evaluate those lease spaces and in most cases, the leases that we have for those facilities require the owners to provide the ongoing maintenance to those buildings and so it might not be relevant but But again, we did not do that at this time. Obviously the accurate inventory and we have spoken a bit at length about that but making sure that we can feel with a high degree of confidence that we've got all of the buildings and parks and facilities identified and in our inventory.
And that we continue to strive to find ways within the way in which we account for maintenance spending. That we are accurately attributing the current contribution of maintenance spending by those non-general services and non-parks departments. Dennis, do
we have a question?
Thank you. Thank you. You know in these cases where we have them being operated by others certainly in those 2 examples as well as the county leased properties owned by others that the maintenance is already assumed so all you have to do is look at the agreements and. You know I in the first case it's been taken care of by others and then the second case, you know we may or may not be responsible but I did have a question about the special district Assets, so I'm not quite sure what that means. I'm assuming you mean dependent special districts
Chair supervisor for that's correct
okay because like Laguna sanitation is its own enterprise fund so they take care of their own maintenance and Something like the dependent cemetery districts that we have they kind of handle their own maintenance May or may not be you know What we would want them to do, but they're still responsible for it It's not a decision that we make but it just seems like the special district asset needs a little more explanation Because I'm assuming they take care of their own maintenance
And I'll work with the consultant to make sure that that get flushed out with what they exactly dealt with there So and how they would address that So just to kind of lay out the next steps, as was asked earlier and as CEO Miyasada reminded the board that this report, the 3500 pages here will come back to you in May of 2014. We'll have a consultant here to answer any questions about the process and about what they observed You can talk to James about all the things that occurred in the part of that process and some of their deeper level observations. By the way, the bolded things are pieces that involve you, the board.
The not-bolded things are not less important. I'm just noting them as not necessarily board decision points. Measure M will have the vote results in June. The hearing on the budget for 2014-15 will occur in June. In terms of this project, then we would come back in July with that Phase 2 Maintenance Management Report. Which will include that prioritized list over the next 20 years.
Kind of the immediate needs punch list and those items, that'll come back in July. And then following I think a tradition we've developed where we've had other significant reports provided by outside consultants. We've generally allowed them the departments that are operationalizing the recommendations and findings of a report from an outside consultant. We'v given them the opportunity to come back At a short distance in time later to provide their implementation options and we're recommending that that could happen sometime in September of 2014 where general services and parks could come back and provide to your board A clearer understanding about now. What are we doing with the data? How has that begun to affect our operations? What do we see as Operational implementation issues over the next 6, 12, 18, 24 months.
And with that I have completed my part of the presentation and if the board has any other questions I'm happy to answer them otherwise Mr. Alvarez was going to go over some of the funding options and scenarios.
Okay so am I correct in that's this 22 slide presentation coming up?
Yes.
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You guys already for it. And now I know we're getting to the end, but all right let's forge ahead a yes.
As we look at the maintenance funding options and scenarios, I think they really want to point out that we've talked about some numbers here. We saw there's this very large range. We can apply these methods to any amount that we determine we want to fund that. We're just showing you some different ways to be able to fund things for this analysis. We're using some of the numbers that we got from the consultant.
So what we're going to look at today is policy discussion, infrastructure issues and funding options from the March 10th presentation that we had or the working session. Maintenance renewal funding needed, that's one of the things that Dennis covered in his presentation. Our assumptions for today's options. Funding scenarios, observations that we had in going through this exercise and then talk about next steps.
So from a policy standpoint, the options for board's consideration is that one option would be to maintain existing funding levels and then perhaps augment that with some one-time funding. And or maybe something like some percentage of year end savings which might be 50%, 25% whatever is determined appropriate. Another option would be to increase funding by a set amount each year, and this would be similar to what we did with the Jail Operations Fund. And that's going to be looked at in options two and three.
Another item would be increased funding by a percentage of unallocated general fund growth. And this would be similar to what we did in the fire district shift for their tax shift. And those we'll be looking at in options four through seven. And then lastly, we could reallocate current general fund contributions and that's not going to be discussed in this presentation but that is an option.
Just a quick review of the infrastructure maintenance issue that was presented at the March 10th work session. We had estimated additional costs at that time of roads of $9 million and parks and buildings between nine and $12 million. And at that time, I believe we were using the 2% option. The consultant at that point I think was maybe 50% or 60% through that process.
Potential options for funding. We mentioned we're implementing general fund program reductions, increase revenues, dispose of facilities, target discretionary grants towards maintenance and infrastructure, designate a portion of discretionary revenue growth towards deferred maintenance, and also to make sure that we're offsetting all federal and state reimbursements that are appropriate.
And then staff would review these options and discuss during these April workshops. We had a request to present this information as well. This was what we had during our March 10th presentation, this was the slide presented at that time and what we're looking at here is the estimated unallocated discretionary general revenue growth so at that point We're talking about 400,000 as our starting point for available funds in 14-15, growing to 4.4 then 6.1, 8.8 and 12.1 million dollars and that would be out through the year fiscal 18-19.
We then overlaid 7.4 million of at that point in time thought to be emerging needs or issues that included things like mental health funding, staff expansions and replacing one-time funding used for ongoing operations that exist in some of the general fund departments right now.
Supervisor Farr has a question?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Actually this is probably a question for our auditor or treasurer. One of the potential options for funding was disposing of facilities and we talked about that. We don't really have an accurate And maybe we would make some decisions that we just don't want to keep some of these facilities. We don't need them. In the big picture, in talking about the county's credit rating and that double A plus.
This this is based some something on the amount of the county's assets versus a debt ratio or how would the disposing of facilities reducing our assets affect this overall calculation. Yeah, the balance sheet
Chairman Lavinino and Supervisor Farr. For a long time, all the governments are in the same boat. So when the rating agencies are looking at the government they're looking at the county's financial statements. They're looking at our assets at historical cost, depreciated historical costs. They're also looking at your other infrastructure assets that aren't all included in here things like flood control channels. All that gives value. So when they're out there doing their ratings, they understand the historical funding of government and they realize when they're looking at the balance sheet, they're looking at a balance sheet at historical cost. And when they are looking at this, that the current replacement value is a lot greater than historical costs so they're taking that into consideration.
They're really looking at how much debt do you have out against those buildings and it's that debt ratio to Really your revenue streams of how you're going to pay off that debt is really the key indicator. It's like our certificates of participation, we've dedicated revenue streams to pay those off. If you have general obligation bonds and you're dedicating property taxes to pay up general obligation bonds, that's why they get a higher rating because it all comes down to You know, what's the interest rate you're paying on your debt. So I don't think removing assets from the balance sheet would affect your credit rating if that's what your
question was. That was my question. Thank you.
Okay. And then the last element we had here is then we then overlaid a $20 million of maintenance additional commitment and this was based on the preliminary reports at that time and now what we'll do is just update some of these numbers. So the current range is $17 million to $39 million and so the midpoint of that range would be $28 million. And how we're getting to these numbers now is, Mr. Bozonich's presentation was on the The buildings and the parks, we also have roads to consider. You've seen in the roadmap before that there's an identified amount of $12 million necessary for pavement preservation to maintain the PCI level of which we currently have identified estimated ongoing funding of 2.5 million of Measure A funds and 500,000 of general funds getting us down to $9 million here for the roads.
We then at the 2% range would require this is the 7 million dollars we identified for general services and the 1 million dollars For parks, and that's the two percent if you go up to four percent. That's showing the the range there So if we go on to the next slide so this is again the schedule that we looked at This is the range of two to four percent And this is without roads it's just general services and parks and This is the current spend, so the range now is $8 million to $30 million. If we add in the nine million of roads that would put you at the $17 million to 39 million as being the range and we're going to use those in some of these examples again we can fund any level we so desire but using the current information we have from consultants we thought we'd put that into some analysis So I apologize for the small print here.
There's a lot of information, but I wanted to show what we're using in the graphs that are going to be following. So what we're identifying here is targeted funding. So this is that 2% range of $17 million. What we saw in the fire department's budget is that they're identifying a million dollars to be used for capital on an annual basis going forward. That would reduce the need to $16 million, and if we go to the midpoint of the range, that was the 3% funding, that would increase it from 16 million to 27 million. So that's kind of the range that we're gonna be looking at in this analysis.
And then what we did was we used a 3% inflation factor going forward year over year just to say that 16 million ultimately would grow over 10 years to $21.2 million out here and the 27 million dollars for the midpoint range would increase to 35.5 million in the 23-24 period. Supervisor Farr?
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Actually I think this is probably a question for Mr. McAulpin. The roads money that's listed here is just for roads because traditionally we've had earmarks or federal money or other sources for things like bridges and So when we're talking about public works, we're just talking about pavement and road preservation. Even though the sources of funds for bridges and all that, the sources of those may be going away.
Mr. Chair, you guys are far correct We're looking at the pavement number here and on bridges right now we have the highway bridge program that they supply 88 cents on the dollar and On some of the bridges we can also get local matches Toll credits things like that so we can have a zero match on our bridge replacement That's why with the reauthorization of map 21. We are so interested in that and To ensure that the highway bridge program in some form or fashion continues into the future.
Just because of that $0.88 on the dollar we could get for every bridge.
And when are we going to find out about that?
That process, my understanding is there's discussions going on in DC and when we were back there lobbying with Supervisor Carbajal, we were able to talk to our federal delegation about the importance of that.
Okay, thank you. Thank you Mr Chair.
Okay Supervisor Wolff.
So I just have a suggestion for the board. Mr. Alvarez, I can't tell you how much I appreciate this discussion and the options that are in front of us. Are you going to be asking us at the end of your report as we look at the next steps what option you would like from us? Part of me is thinking that we've got all these department heads here. I think waiting for us to get to the summary of the budget workshop.
Now, of course, the decisions that we make on the maintenance will influence Our final deliberations I suspect but I don't know if the other board meeting members are feeling this way. I mean, I'm happy we can just continue and go through but it's It's pretty intense and and The decisions if you're asking us to make decisions are pretty hot. You're not asking us to make any decisions Okay
I, you know that's why I kind of hesitated before we got into this because I was looking at how involved and intense this is. And it's the discussion we have to have. I'm just not sure the timing is perfect because of the fact that we've got our entire workforce here that is waiting for us to do something else. What do you guys think?
I kind of feel the same way as you, Mr. Chair. I think this information's good but as I understand it, it's a teaser based on a much more robust report that we're going to get and we are going to get it before budget which is good but today's a preliminary discussion that is setting this issue up along with the rest of our budget I think it needs to come to us as a special item.
You know, just come to us and we can set up an hour or so. And hammer through this because this is going to be the moving point of what we're going to do in the future. If anybody else up here feels like I do, my brain's like oatmeal right now. So, I'm done. So- How sick is that? I think we should do the budget summary. Have you guys do your thing and bring Mr. Alvarez back and finish this. Even if you have to start over and just get us to where we need to be.
Yes. Mr Chair, I couldn't agree with you more. I do think that this does need to come to us before budget because I think we need to start grappling with what is our plan to address some of these deferred maintenance needs? I think no doubt one of the issues we have to grapple with during this budget is deferred maintenance and I'd like to demonstrate to the public that we do have a plan.
And other vehicles to achieve a solution have not been best. Advised and I do want to reflect that to the public, that we will have some opportunities to examine some resolutions in a phased-in approach that could address the type of deferred maintenance investment we want to have that clearly addresses that issue. So I think it's important. I think it should come back as Mr. Labanino has said and Working with my colleagues in the solution for this
supervisor Adam. Well, I think it needs to come back on a date certain and I think it needs to come back With enough time for us. I mean, it's it's big huge But what we have here is is probably adequate To have that hearing And you know we don't need to wait for the 3500 pages and frankly if you give me 3500 pages on Thursday. I'm not going to have it all read by Tuesday so you know, I think we have enough to have a meaningful discussion and I think we need to have it on a date certain and I think we need to have early enough that we can digest that information and you know maybe even a month before our June hearing so early May
We're going to do this. Why don't we do our budget summary and while we're doing that, we can have staff find us a date that works for everybody and block us out some time so we can give it the full attention it deserves.
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Chair Levine and board members to this. The summary is very short and just a recap of this. This whole 3 days. Thank you, board members. Thank you department heads and other staffer Basically just to reiterate we do have a positive long-term outlook But as you know, we're coming out of the recession and a very slow growth The county's been used to seeing six percent increases in revenue seven percent every year. And as mr. Holland spoke About we're only projecting a three and a half percent increase in assisted value for for 1415 because of the state CPI And I think that's gonna as mr.. Alva. Mr. Alvarez showed as well We have a slower We appreciate hearing from all the department heads and what their needs are. But I'll be going to them getting more data, more information.
And also asking, I know you need this but can you live without it? Because I think that's going to be a message that they'll be hearing from me as we look at our budget needs. There are still difficult choices ahead to make. As we said there is limited ongoing revenue but there will be some one time revenues we discussed and overall there is a lot this county has to be proud of.
If you look at all our accomplishments That we've achieved all departments highlighted it's pretty astounding. And I think we sometimes forget about that as we look at what our needs are but there's been significant achievements and accomplishments nice. I just want to remind departments that That they've done a wonderful job of the last year. And I'm, I'm very impressed being here four months about how much has been achieved.
So next steps after the workshop and this input we're going to finalize our recommendations. The recommended budget is released May 15th. We know that election is on June 3rd and then budget adoption hearings will be held June 9th and 10th. And again as county council mentioned at the budget adoption hearings your board can revise the recommendations add or subtract.
So again, the recommended actions for these workshops was to hold the workshops. Direct us to proceed with the budget development process in accordance with your principles and provide any direction you may feel is needed.
Okay so you're looking to us now for direction?
Given your comments before lunch, Supervisors, if there's anything you feel like you need to provide input to me that you haven't already in the discussion, that's appreciated. To talk about large priorities, if not I think I have a lot of notes from what was discussed already.
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Okay, I think there are some that would like to still give some inputs so let's go with Supervisor Wolfe first then Supervisor Adam.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I may leave out a couple of departments as I go through this but there were a few departments that noted that there was unanticipated fund balance that they wanted to use in their departments. One was public health and we talked about the opportunities for using those funds in animal services. And also P and D. I think they said that they had about $300,000 that they wanted to use to backfill some of their positions.
So I think, and again, I can't recall any other, they may come to me as we move forward. Oh, I think also it was ADMHS. Also noted that there might be the resources that they might be able to find the resources for the KDA. So those are areas where we're not touching that potential $700,000 or the general fund balance. So I think we should definitely look at those departments and And then I can get into maybe a couple of specifics later. But for right now, I just think that that's important if the board agrees that we give you direction to talk to those departments and make sure that those items are incorporated into the budget. And actually in your memo to us, you did discuss animal services. The other thing you mentioned although I don't think it came from our budget discussions was 211.
So I'd want to make sure that that gets incorporated as well
Thank you very much. Supervisor wolf supervisor and oh, I'm sorry CEO me a sauce Oh
supervisors and survival if it asked for the whole list of planning and development requests actually each in the planning and development Tab there's individual project descriptions That has the lists the amounts but we did compile a complete list You don't have to discuss it today, but it's for your binders
And what was the cost for those? I know that they mentioned the FTEs, but I didn't see an associated cost.
Let me pass out this sheet to you and then you'll have it.
All right, Supervisor Adam.
Okay well, at the risk of belaboring this whole proceeding I do want to lighten it up a little bit and rise to the challenge of the image and the quote. So while my Staff is working on the image. I'll give you the first quote But I don't want to go among mad people Alice remarked oh You can't help that said the cat we're all mad here. I'm mad you're mad How do you know? I'm mad said Alice, but you must be so the cat or you wouldn't have come here. Oh Second one is Lao Tzu.
Do difficult things while they're easy and do great things while they're small. A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. And the final one is from Woodrow Wilson, if you want to make enemies try to change something. I think we need better information. It's just on a general comments basis on the whole proceeding here. Did you get it up? Oh, yeah.
You didn't see that coming did you?
You always remind us of a furry little bunny rabbit.
All right well objective achieved. Enough of that I think we need better information regarding performance metrics in the future if we want to get a went to a bank to get a loan on any of our departments I think would get laughed out of the building I've had some conversations with our CEO and auditor offline about how we might get this information with an appropriate level of detail at an appropriate time. And maybe it's not here during the budget hearings, but maybe we can work on creating something.
In discussing on the drive home last night staff and I concluded, oh I'm sorry skipped that one. So whether for maintenance, safety or social programs it's clear to me that we need more general fund revenue. Since we get 93% of general fund revenue from property tax that means we must grow our tax base not just survive on the appreciation of what base we have.
For many years we have sustained our needs based in large part on appreciation and shun growth Our expenses now have grown to the point where we can no longer maintain them on our current revenue. We must hold the businesses that we have and attract new businesses to invest and build equity in Santa Barbara County. Balance is achievable. I got elected based on my statements that we need to stop the decay and decline of our infrastructure My colleagues have a chance to prove in this budget that they do not need Measure M to make them do the right thing.
Measure M seeks only to stop the deferment of more current year maintenance. Obviously, as we've just heard, we have more to do. Buildings and parks are roughly two times the deferred maintenance level that we thought they were just a few days ago. Measure M is an absolute minimum. We still have the deferred maintenance to deal with at some point. CEO has identified funding options, some of which include capture various degrees of deferred maintenance If we fail to perform maintenance, we are adding any deferment to future debt.
How can we say we have a balanced budget if we are not fully funding our required operational costs? So I'm supposed to have these numbers filled in and I don't, but my first list would be all the maintenance items. Roads, parks and buildings. Those are threshold issues for me. I will not be able to support any budget that does not include full funding of these items.
If we can get across that obstacle, I see a lot of value in adding County Council staffing request all the administrative Requests Surveyor and all the public safety requests including mental health But if maintenance isn't fully funded. I won't be able to support Supervisor wolf
Thank you. You know, what occurs to me is that we've got a pretty incredible Santa Barbara County and as I look out to all of you whether it be the, you know, the Ag Commissioner, the Auditor, Public Works, you are all integral to making our county what it is and I just sit here and I'm just so incredibly proud of the people who work for us and who are making the decisions on the ground I look at all of the pieces as a cog in the wheel. And our focus is ensuring that we provide the services that were mandated to provide by the state and federal government, to make sure that our citizens live in a safe environment. And of course, to ensure that we have safe playgrounds and we maintain our buildings. But, and sometimes the word balance is overused.
Because in the end we're not going to be able to balance all the needs equally but we are going to have to come up with a budget that works and we're gonna have to make decisions and really difficult decisions. Sometimes when you start coming out of difficult times and you've got some money, not a lot, Those decisions are more difficult. I guess they're always difficult, so I just think that as a community, as a county we have to look at all of the services and all of the people who are working so hard for the county. And Mr. Adam you know at the same time we can ensure that we maintain what we can it would be like as was noted having an automobile I think we all have gone through those issues. If we have things that need to be fixed in a car, if you have to fix your brakes or your radio it's common sense that you fix the brakes because that's a safety issue.
I think all of us are pretty rational people And we understand what's needed. And we look to our CEO, Supervisor Carbajal has said many times to help us move in those directions. But I do think that all of you have made a great case for what you need and as I said before if we need to get into the specifics, I will do that but I think for now just my general comments will stand.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well I want to thank all the staff, all the department heads for your presentations. I thought they were uniformly excellent and I think that they really showed what an incredible county we are, what an incredible workforce we have. All of the accomplishments that you perform throughout the year, and despite whatever budgets you have and that we're able to give you.
I also was very impressed by the very careful and judicious list that you included for your departments even for the expansion requests that you had. So thank you all for that. Looking at the general fund contribution requests, I guess I would have a couple of changes I would ask the CEO to make and staff. One is there are this information here from a number of departments that are on this list that really don't need any general fund contribution. It was put in here so we could see what they needed because we needed to be aware of that. But I'm just wondering whether we could have two separate lists and they could be separated out so that we have knowledge of that. But if they don't need general fund money, they could go into a separate list.
Clearly what's left needs to be revised because we've heard different information. I think Supervisor Wolf mentioned some of the different departments have come up with additional funding. They think they can help offset these or Priorities have changed for the order that if they could get a general fund contribution, what they would like to see funded first.
So I think that the list needs to be revised in that way and also if there is a way to denote whether their request is really for one time source of funds or could be funded with a one time source of funds and those that really need to be funded on an ongoing basis. would also be helpful. And then, as we talked about before this general county programs the fund balances that this would be revised with a lot of the direction that was given putting eliminating the capital outlay and denoting that's been put into deferred maintenance And also the explanation of what was added into it, because it is a budget principle.
And what those amounts are and what is added into it just because it was something that was excess in a previous year. I think it would also be very helpful if we had that target number that we were aiming at to get a certain amount into the strategic reserve, because I forget what that amount is. And in comparison, if we could have the last six to ten years of what we have had in the strategic reserve so that I'd have some idea of where we are now In relation to you know where we've been over the last decade or so.
So those are some of my suggestions I know that the department heads are here and we're hoping for maybe more of a Have some, but so much of that is just dependent on what the revised requests are. The amount of money that we might have to distribute and clearly what will happen in the election with Measure M. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Supervisor Carbajal. Thank you Mr. Chair I too want to thank everybody all staff everybody who's put in time into their budgets and coming to our hearing over the past few days You know I have a big list but i'm not going to go over it because I really would like to empower our new CEO to work with all our department heads to really To have that dance in that conversation and vetting and really come up with what is most prudent.
I think a lot of our department heads really made some strong arguments for restorations or needs that they have, so I think many of those will be funded as I see Mona working to put together her balanced budget together. You know, we do need to fund deferred maintenance at a higher level. I think we've all come to terms with that and I appreciate my colleague Mr Adams raising that issue.
I'm disappointed that he also went off and thought he'd come up with his own individual solution to this problem because I think we're going to be discussing some prudent Opportunities for investment that don't jeopardize public safety, that don't jeopardize essential services. And I think that is the prudent way to proceed and we're going to wrestle and come up with a budget that reflects what I think is a balanced approach.
And even though DA Dudley said not to use win-win, that is a win-win budget. I firmly believe that we're all struggling to reach that balanced approach in how we fund our operations and county government. And I think every time we grapple with the budget process, we work hard to really try to identify those priorities. Hearing about our rating by the various rating agencies.
That I think reaffirmed that we are a pretty well managed, well run financially stable organization and I think that doesn't happen by accident. I think we work hard to achieve that. We're not out of whack. We have certainly a number of challenges but I think we're working hard to solve those And I think what I just mentioned, I think reaffirms that. So for me instead of going over all the important issues, the DA, the sheriff, our auditor, all these wonderful things that I think they presented. I'm going to leave that to Mona and them to bring before us in the future. There's just a few minor things that I am going to touch on so that they don't fall through the wayside because they're not necessarily advocated for by any departments. One is the economic development request that was made, I think that's important for us to bring back and consider.
Obviously as part of our deferred maintenance and the wonderful treasure we have in the courthouse, the courthouse mural room expansion that was requested by an outside agency. We've invested a lot in the sustainability plan. Internally for county government, and I think a sustainability coordinator in general services needs to be one of the many things that comes back.
And lastly we've already said this so I'm just reaffirming what we said that the long range planning request needs to come back whether it comes from their Existing surplus funds that exist in that department. One time funds that they may have or a combination of that and new general fund, but also including making sure that by budget we get any long range planning item that has grant funding so we could consider it and approve it at that point.
And also bring back the amount, I think it adds the new projects that are being considered. Just bring back for consideration which total as you handed out to us CEO Mia Sato $363,000 I think is for consideration of all those items. But again, I just want to thank all the executives that came, made their case. And luckily we do have some resources to give out and I think we'll be able to come up with a good balanced budget this year.
Looking forward to our future discussions on deferred maintenance as well as our budget hearings coming up in June.
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Very good Supervisor Carball. First off, I just want to say that in four months CEO Miyasato you've really impressed me and I know I speak for the rest of the board. We really appreciate the fact that getting a different set of eyes on something we've always done something a certain way and one of the reasons I think we were looking I think that's a really good idea. And what we're doing to you is is to provide us a different perspective and to do it in this manner, I know some people are thinking will shoot would do this in June anyway where we doing in April wasn't that much different.
Giving us this time instead of 7 right now we'd be making a decision on what we were going to do and we're not prepared to This is my first year that we've actually had, it's been easy up to this point to do budget because whenever since I've been elected, we've had no money. And so I remember Supervisor Carbajal always looking in the drawer looking to see if there were additional resources in there and there wasn't and it was actually fairly easy because No matter what requests came to us. We didn't have any resources to help you with and although it made it very difficult for you.
We didn't have any options or very very limited options now what's really difficult is We have a very finite amount of resources. And obviously the needs outstrip our resources, but we do have some that we could be very strategic with and A lot of really good places where we could spend that money. We have so many outstanding department heads who came up and made compelling arguments, I would love to fund every single one of them. I don't think we'd be wasting money if we spent money on everything that you guys talked about.
Unfortunately, we don't get to do that. So it's going to be really difficult to make those decisions. My number one priority will be to make sure that the North County Jail is fully funded and fully open so that you know we're not putting Santa Maria in the neighboring area up there in jeopardy by continuing to put people on the street as turning them into taxi cab drivers instead of the job they were supposed to do. So we really appreciate the sheriff making that a priority.
My number 2 then would be in general services to make sure that we have the accounting individual, whether he's in general services or working out of Bob's office. To make sure that we've got all our I's crossed and...I's dotted and T's crossed. Our eyes are crossed! On the new North County Jail. And then I would like to really see us focus on creating the areas that I'd like to fund are ones that create revenue in public works department, adding individuals in some areas for example in appraisers.
You know, you bring those people in and they do additional work and create more revenue. I don't want to leave out anybody because DA's office all those public defender. I saw all of them. I appreciate all of them and they're all on a list of depending on how much money we get and how much we're going to be able to do. One of the ones that I was very concerned about was an animal services and I think public speaker hit it on the head to me was.
We need more people working inside doing the grunt work and maybe not so many up on the top at the 30,000 foot level so like to get a better understanding In a lot of areas, and I thought she made a real salient point. I think the other part of this budget showed me that the fire transfer tax is working. The reinstatement of the fuels crew is huge for the Tipiskaya area and Cuyama and some other areas so I'm really looking forward to that.
In a nutshell, I think we just got a bunch of great department heads A lot of outstanding employees that are doing a really good job and I'm really looking forward to working with the rest of this board to try to come up with a plan that puts us through. Puts us on the right course for another year, and I'm really confident that we've got all the right people in place.
And we just have to get our priorities in line and get three votes to make it happen so. With that, are we done?
Board members, you asked about coming back with a date certain. So Mr. Allen and I were looking at different board dates. I did
forget one thing. I'm sorry, CEO Miyasato. I did want to thank Mike and all the crew in the clerk's office for getting us all of our materials and everything on time and getting us to the places where we need to be. And lunch sometimes. And I did steal CEO's pizza today so sorry about that CEOs department if you were missing a few slices but That's why I didn't tell you.
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Given the upcoming agendas, there are two dates that are less than six hours from the upcoming meetings. One is 4-15 in Santa Barbara and the other one is 5-20 in Santa Barbara. As you recall we will be putting out the recommended budget May 15th so we have to get to print. We'll be going to print on the 9th, but that would just be the bulk of the things that you have. It's some recommendations and we could be taking them You can always make decisions after that on the
so next Tuesday here is a possibility
it's a possibility Yes,
want to do that? Let's might as well do it then we need to knock it out supervisor wolf
I forgot to say one thing. You know, I mentioned 211 because that had been a prior board discussion and I also want to bring up the general services request for the vets coordinator because that has been brought up in the past and it's coming to us again so just to keep that on your radar, CEO Waller.
So we all agree on 415? Mr. Allen?
My name tag.
Oh, my gosh. If you could wear a name tag it would be great.
I say this at my own risk but that's better than when I was known as a kid which was Mona Miasnato.
That is so sad! Now we have to use that. It
has made you resilient.
I just
want to note that the planning and development handout with regarding their requests is in the back of the room in case members of the public would like to have that available.
Okay, very good. We all good? Yeah okay we will adjourn until next Tuesday here in Santa Barbara the 15th ♪ ♪ ♪