BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 June 13, 2014

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:11 · ≈ 9:02 AM

All right, good morning. Do I have juice? Yes. Good morning everybody, like to call this meeting to order of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Special hearing today and because of the size of the crowd we do have the fire marshal please listen to those that are trying to keep us safe. We appreciate you being here. Because of the size of the crowd and the amount of people that may come in the future we are going to be closing Once we get the meeting started, if you have your speaker slip, get it turned in right now because we already have 85 speakers.

And we're going to try to get done today at some point. So we're going to get those in and then immediately after we get started we'll be closing whoever's in is in. So with that Mr. Allen can I get a roll call please?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:36 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Mr. Carbajal? Here. Ms. Wolfe?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:37 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Here.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:38 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Ms Farr? Here. Mr. Adam? Here, Mr. Lavagnino?

Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand · ≈35s recited, not transcribed
ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:41 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Here please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.834:17 · ≈ 9:04 AM

All right, we're going to open up for public comment. Now just so folks remember this is comments that are not on items that are not on today's agenda. So this is not having to do anything with fracking or oil or anything. This is just general public comment. Mr. Allen, do we have any speakers on general public comment?

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction4:36 · ≈ 9:04 AM

No request to speak.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.834:37 · ≈ 9:04 AM

No requests to speak. Okay, very good. Public comment is now closed. We're just rolling through this. We are now going onto our administrative agenda. We have one item added to the administrative agenda. Mr. Allen can you please read that in?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction4:56 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Chairman Labnino, members of the board. This item is from general services. The recommendations that the board consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara Response Network temporary use permit and this is in the third district.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:08 · ≈ 9:05 AM

All right? Who's presenting? Matt. A item. Anybody wish to pull it? No presentation. All right. Moved and seconded all those in favor? Aye. None opposed passes unanimously. Okay, well I guess we're done. We have one more item. All right, one more item. Departmental Agenda Item number 1. Mr. Allen can you please read that one in also?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction5:41 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Chairman Labnino, members of the board. Item number one is from the county clerk recorder assessor. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an impact report on an initiative to ban high intensity petroleum operations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:52 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Okay, very good. Mr. Brzenich? Good morning. Chairman Labinino and members of the board. On May 20th your board directed staff to return with a report pursuant to election code 9111 addressing impacts of the voter initiative to prohibit high intensity petroleum operations. I'd like to recognize Auditor-Controller Geis and Property Tax Division Chief Ed Price, Clerk Recorder Assessor Holland and Assessor Division Chief Keith Taylor.

Planning Director Russell and Oil and Gas Division Chief Kevin Drude who's with us here as well as Consultant Doug Anthony for their significant contributions to the report that your board is being asked to receive today. They contributed both their expertise, their careful consideration of the measure and the work that they are involved in informed greatly their contributions to the report.

After the delivery of this report-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:54 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Dennis just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:54 · ≈ 9:06 AM

a second I'm sorry.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:56 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Those are the last speaker slips that we will accept. Speaker slips for departmental agenda item one is now closed so we will not be accepting any more speaker slips okay? Thank you very much Dennis go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:09 · ≈ 9:07 AM

After the delivery of this report, your board will have up to 10 days to approve the ordinance outright or refer it to the ballot. This presentation will provide an overview of the impact report, which can be found at attachment A for those in the members of the public as well as for you as board members. That was prepared by staff at your direction. In keeping with the format used to present the impact report on measure M, this report begins with an overview of the measure and the operational context in which the initiative to ban high intensity petroleum fits.

The initiative describes two categories of petroleum operations. One, well stimulation treatments including hydraulic fracturing and acid treatments. The other is our secondary and enhanced recovery operations, which can include things such as cyclic steaming and the injection of water, air, CO2. Wastewater produced during the course of oil operations injecting those back into the well hole.

Currently there's 1,167 Onshore wells are operating and they produced in 2013, 4.3 million barrels of oil. Wells often produce over decades and may require certain techniques throughout the life of that well or at the end of their life. Today no wells in Santa Barbara County are using the described well stimulation treatments contained in the measure.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.839:03 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Can you repeat that last sentence, Dennis? I'm sorry. Dennis

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed9:15 · ≈ 9:09 AM

can you repeat that last- The last statement was there are currently no wells using the well stimulation treatments such as hydraulic fracturing or acid stimulation. Okay. There are no wells. Supervisors, just to be clear we spoke a moment ago about two different types of operations that are identified in this measure. One is the well stimulation treatments which includes hydraulic fracturing. The other one are secondary enhanced recovery operations which includes things such as cyclic steaming and injection of water gas into the well.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8310:03 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Sure. Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed10:08 · ≈ 9:10 AM

I appreciate you repeating that last sentence. Have there been any fracking incidences in Santa Barbara County?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed10:23 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Carbajal, yes in the past there have been wells that have been fracked when the county passed its ordinance a few years ago Requiring that applicants wishing to frack had to submit a discretionary application to the county. We have had no applications since that time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed10:39 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8310:40 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Dennis, I have a question then because I'm looking at page two of attachment A and it says 100% of the active wells use at least one secondary or enhanced recovery technique identified in the measure if for no other reason than well maintenance. So how do we justify that with what just came out?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed10:59 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Mr Chair That paragraph describes, it's a column of activities that can be applied to both enhanced production techniques as well as maintenance activities. For instance, during the course of the life of a project of a well, certain chemicals need to be injected down into the borehole to keep that work free of paraffin waxes and other contaminants that impede the flow. So that's regular maintenance. Those activities done under pressure.

Are also considered enhanced production with the injection of things like water, air, carbon dioxide and other chemicals. Mixtures thereof to enhance the production by a pressured application to go out into the formation. But similar things are done, there's just the difference of adding pressure to that operation which makes it the difference between maintenance and an enhanced operation.

Okay, Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed11:58 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can you go back to the context of the impact report? So we're talking about well stimulation treatments and secondary and enhanced. Recovery operations in section 2530 of our of our code we have a definition of secondary and enhanced operations already. So on and you have described well stimulation treatments nowhere in either of those definitions as to talk about maintenance is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed12:32 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor, indeed on the next page of that ordinance there is a discussion of what well servicing is which does include maintenance activities. Maintenance activities in that definition of what well servicing are not defined.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed12:48 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Okay I appreciate that thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed12:50 · ≈ 9:12 AM

You're welcome

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed12:54 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Second portion of the report deals with the future development that is currently in process. And in the report, we detailed out that during the past 12 months 239 different production wells were permitted. 69% of those are planned to use cyclic steaming. There's also in process, in hand 131 applications for wells. 80% of that group is proposing cyclic steaming and through staffs discussion with industry there are expected to be coming soon in the near future 533 further applications for wells, for permits for wells and it's anticipated that 100% of those are going to propose cyclic steaming.

So looking at that in total, 903 of the anticipated wells, 89% would use some form of the petroleum operations of the type described in this measure. Looking just finally at the macro impacts on oil production, if adopted the measure would allow status quo operations for wells with vested rights. On a case-by-case basis your board may determine that wells qualify for exemptions from the measure and it will prohibit certain petroleum operations in the future without such exemptions Over time, the trend line would likely be toward reduced petroleum production.

Our report then moves into the particular criteria identified in Elections Code 9111 and those areas of particular concern were fiscal impacts, the effect on the consistency of general as well specific plans, the effect on land use housing regional housing needs Impacts on infrastructure funding, the impact on the ability to attract and or retain businesses.

And the impact on the use of vacant parcels and impact on ag, open space, traffic, and business development areas. We'll go through these one at a time for the board and for the public. In looking at the fiscal impacts, our staff working with assessor's division as well as the auto controllers department identified that oil production companies currently pay $16.4 million in local property taxes which is 2.65% of the total tax roll.

The distribution of that $16.4 million includes $3.6 million to the County of Santa Barbara for governmental operations, which is approximately 2% of the available property tax that your board just identified spending for in the budget this week. $2.1 would go to the County Fire Protection District, which is approximately 5.9% of their property tax revenue going to the Fire Protection District Half a million dollars to the other special districts and 10.2 million going to school districts.

The impact of property tax revenues cannot be precisely determined, however because of the way the measure is crafted it's unlikely that there would be an immediate loss in that property tax revenue. Because it would allow for the continued status quo operation of those wells with vested rights. Let

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8316:24 · ≈ 9:16 AM

me, Dennis I have a question on that. So Kevin, a vested right but with this passage so if you don't have a vested right to acidize you would not be able to acidize even if you had a vested right to drill the way you've been drilling in the past. Is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed16:42 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Mr. Chair um I might look to council to address the issue of vested rights very complicated and legal issue. I can answer technical questions about how we process the permits think that might add mr. Gazzone's discussion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed16:56 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Good morning. At page 26 of the proposed ordinance within section 5 exemption for certain projects, there are actually three categories of exemptions. The first would provide exemptions as required by the state or federal Constitution. The second involves an exemption to prevent unconstitutional takings of property and the third addresses Exemption for vested rights quote pursuant to state law and quote The state law in this area generally would require a case-by-case determination Because the case law has indicated that these property rights With permitting are fundamental vested rights So that would be a case by case Determination of what was vested and what was therefore exempt and what was not vested and therefore not exempt so practical application would

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8317:54 · ≈ 9:17 AM

be Every project would have to come in and go through a process of determining whether or not they had a vested right. Would that be appealable? I'm just trying to figure out what the path would be.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed18:09 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Mr. Chair and supervisors, the proposed ordinance also includes a section requiring consistency throughout the county codes and comprehensive plans. And that question of what process would the board use either for the takings hearing that is described in broad terms in the ordinance or the vested property rights determinations could be included in that as an implementation approach but the ordinance itself is silent on that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8318:38 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Thank you. All right then, sorry.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed18:44 · ≈ 9:18 AM

The work team that produced the report also wanted to take a look at the UCSB Economic Impact Project Report that was published in September of 2013 conducted by Dr. Rupert and the team at UC Santa Barbara. And it was a report commissioned by the Santa Maria Valley Chamber of Commerce That report, which we did not include but is broadly available to the public as well as to yourself as board members.

Analyze the broad impact of the oil production business in Santa Barbara County and Dr. Rupert went to great lengths to identify the direct impacts to the economy. That you would have from the actual production of oil itself. Those indirect effects on that, which would include supplies directly related to the production of oil in Santa Barbara County. And then what Dr. Rupert labels as the induced impacts to the economy for the money that is generated usually through wages that is then spent in the broader economy. We also call these the trickle down or ripple effects of the spending that would occur as people buy groceries, pay rent and do other things within the local economy.

Dr. Rupert identified just over $290 million would be broadly attributable to oil and gas production here in Santa Barbara County Both direct, indirect and those induced effects that I just mentioned. That equates to roughly 1.64% of the GDP which in the current figures from the California State Department of Finance is $17.1 billion GDP for Santa Barbara County. The 291 million is about 1.6 4%.

It's also important to note that the negative effects of this on the economy would be felt over time, but would be influenced greatly by exemptions and by the continued supply and demand as well as market price of oil that greatly influences the amount of production at any given time. You'll recall from previous testimony on oil and gas that one of the major drivers of the amount of production is given by the price for a barrel of oil. And whether or not it's economically feasible to have that oil brought to the surface and sold for further refining.

There is a possible business scenario that we mentioned in the report. That the decision to, if this measure were to be voted and approved by the voters or approved by your board there is a business scenario where Industry may decide to sell their assets and reinvest elsewhere, or increase their pressure to broaden the amount of offshore leases. And we mentioned that very briefly in the report.

Turning now to the second one of the analysis required under 9111 of the Elections Code It asks the question about whether there's consistency in the general and specific plans.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8322:18 · ≈ 9:22 AM

Supervisor Wolfe has questions,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed22:21 · ≈ 9:22 AM

I'm sorry. Mr. Bozonich, I appreciate your work and staffs' work on the fiscal analysis, fiscal impacts. And when we had given staff direction to move forward, we understood that there wasn't a lot of time for you to prepare this analysis. But one of the things that I find striking, and maybe it was just too difficult or you didn't have enough time. But it would seem that there are other fiscal impacts in having what the potential of what we're seeing coming as you described in the previous slide.

What are the impacts and fiscal impacts, health impacts, environmental impacts? You didn't touch on those. And I'm just wondering why you didn't. Is it possible that you couldn't articulate those but it seems like at some point there is some cost to the county for that growth in the industry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:24 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Chair Lavagnino, Supervisor Wolf. I appreciate the kind remarks. It was difficult to find data that is universally accepted to monetize those other effects that you're speaking of around public health for example, air quality. Some of those other effects that would also be a part of either allowing Growth for these enhanced techniques, or if what would happen in a sense on the positive side from a financial perspective.

If they were to be prohibited as would be proposed by the measure and so without the time to adequately vet The fiscal models that would determine what value that would be for public health or for air quality, or for other quality of life type issues. We did not include it in the report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:24 · ≈ 9:24 AM

And I appreciate that response and Be something that we may need to, or consider incorporating into the final report. That there wasn't sufficient time to analyze those potential impacts. Thank you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8324:37 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Mr. Chair. Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed24:39 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Thank you. Mr. President, again I do respect and appreciate the limited time you had. But when you say there's not readily available information, do you by any chance visit the US EPA website or the recent reports that they've completed on fracking or other things like that? I think that's readily available and it just maybe you didn't have time but to say it's not readily available. I'm not sure that I agree with you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed25:08 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Chair Lovino and Supervisor Carbajal, we did go to the US EPA website. We're aware of the fact figures there. There's a variety of research pieces that do detail this out but to select one of those as a way to cost out the impacts one side or the other and be able to have consistency of opinion amongst our staff around which one of those formulas we would use to monetize those costs That was the part we frankly did not have time to do, but I appreciate your comment very much. Thank you.

Looking further at the impact analysis report, the election codes asked us to look at the effect on the consistency of general and specific plans that this measure might have. It's important to note that the proposed measure directs amending the county's comprehensive plan and all other plans, codes, and policies in section 6C. No portion of the measure is inconsistent with the government code sections that prohibit discrimination.

And as well, there's no conflict or inconsistency with the housing and development or any of the density bonus for housing developments that are identified in chapters 4.2 and chapter 4.3 of the government code. Turning to its effect on land use, the work team could identify no direct effect on the availability or location of housing as is requested in the Elections Code. We can identify no direct effect of this measure on the county's ability to meet its regional housing needs And there may be an indirect effect that our staff report notes on the use of land by slowly decreasing the land likely to be used for oil development.

Moving further into the impacts required under the Election Code 9111, looking at the impact on infrastructure funding There would be a direct effect, the direct effect will be the eventual decline in the volume of oil produced. And that may affect a reduction of funding for infrastructure depending on the future price of oil and let me explain that for a moment. We've noted earlier in the report that over time this measure will lead to less oil being produced.

And that is certainly one variable that affects the amount of taxes that are collected for that oil. But frankly, the other part, the other variable in that equation for the amount of taxes collected which would then especially after this week have an impact on infrastructure funding would be the price that oil sells for which is the basis for the valuation of the ad valorem tax that is calculated on the oil.

And so for example, if production declines by 5% in any given year but the price of oil increases by 5%, you would end up with something relatively close to net neutral in terms of its impact on the taxes that you would receive to be able to provide for infrastructure funding. And so that's just something to keep in mind, that the other variable is the price as well as not only the volume but the price it's paid that will affect the tax revenue in the future.

Reducing the volume of oil production in the county may have a small infrastructure cost savings for our roads but there would be no way to quantify that. Moving on to the impact on the ability to attract or retain business Development and retention of the oil industry businesses and jobs will be negatively impacted over time. Again, given that the status quo for vested wells is held firm in the measure that this would be a slow decline over time.

Utilizing the data from Dr. Rupert's report, as well as data from the State Department of Economic Development, approximately 1.07% of all jobs in the county had some relationship to the oil and gas industry. Again using that broadest measure of direct, indirect and induced, 1.7% of the jobs had some relationship to the industry. It may create opportunities for new businesses, even within other portions of the energy sector if this measure were to become law.

And exemptions on a case-by-case basis would complicate any annual assumptions of business impacts. So we are unsure about how those exemptions would play out and how they would have an impact on the business retention ability after potential voter approval of this measure. Now looking at the impact on vacant use of parcels, the use of vacant land would be indirectly impacted by individual property owners exercising their own property rights. It's unclear whether the land use changes would be positive negative or neutral but it's really most important to note here as we will again in a moment that all uses of vacant parcels would remain subject to their current zoning permitting and development requirements and nothing would change that from this ordinance Looking at its impact on agriculture, open space, traffic and business areas.

The direct effect is on the eventual reduction in the volume of oil being produced but the use of agricultural land, open space, traffic and business districts or redevelopment will be indirectly impacted. It's unclear again whether that property use changes would be positive negative or neutral And again all uses of AG properties open space business properties would remain subject to their current zoning permitting and development requirements.

This concludes the overview of our report just summarizing the recommended actions is to receive and file the report And then either adopt the ordinance without alterations within 10 days or ordered the proposed ordinance to be submitted. Without alteration, the voters of the county at the November 4th 2014 statewide general election by adopting the attached resolution.

And that if it's submitted to the voters, you may choose to appoint members of the board to author sign and submit a direct argument in favor or against the proposed ordinance. And any possible rebuttal. And lastly, we'd ask that you would include in your actions the determination of the proposed action above is not a project under CEQA. With that staff, we're available to answer any further questions. Dennis, would there

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8332:26 · ≈ 9:32 AM

also be as we had with Measure M, a report in there for Mr. Geis?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed32:34 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Chairman Lavagnino, in the resolution that is attached you will note that there is a statement about the financial impact statement provided by the Auditor-Controller. So that would be included. Okay very good.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8332:51 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:52 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Thank You Mr. Chair. Attachment A that is the larger report It seems like there's a couple of things that, well after hearing from public comment but it seems just from your introductory comments that there should be some clarifying language put in this report specifically related to the fiscal impacts that we talked about and also The question of why well maintenance is incorporated into this. So, what I'd like to know is at what point will we be able to go through this report in detail? Because this is going to be a significant report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:43 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Chair Lavagnino and Supervisor Wolf, I'd ask council to respond to what the options might be in terms of how you might receive the report and further changes to that.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:56 · ≈ 9:33 AM

And also, if you could Mr. Gazzone what is where does this report go? Is it just information for folks that they want to understand more about the impact or is it included in the ballot language? What happens to this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed34:17 · ≈ 9:34 AM

Chair Lavagnino and Supervisor Wolf. So let me start first with what the statute requires after The board previously directed a report Staff was required to present that report to you, and then the board has Really the options today of receiving and filing the report, or you could receive comment and file the report. You could take no action on the report. The requirement under the statute was that it be presented to you so you're not required to receive and file it.

It's agendized to be received and filed. You could receive it through majority vote note disagreement with certain portions of the report and then file it. But as to where the report actually goes, it does not become part of the official ballot materials that are presented by the elections officer to the voters.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed35:11 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Okay, thank you Mr. Cassoni. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed35:12 · ≈ 9:35 AM

right great, Mr. Allen how

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8335:13 · ≈ 9:35 AM

many public speakers do we have?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction35:16 · ≈ 9:35 AM

We have just about 100.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8335:19 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Right on. Everybody gets six seconds. Let's see a hundred speakers. We're going to do a minute and a half apiece. That gives us quite a bit of public comment, and what we want to remind folks is, what I want to remind folks of is that we do not clap, cheer, boo, anything like that. We've all been through these hearings before. This means yes, but I'm not going to show you what it means no. You disapprove?

Free to express yourself. So, Mr. Allen's going to call off a name and really for time sake and there's people that are coming from way back there. Let's read off a couple of names in a row and don't wait for the last speaker to finish but if you can get up here close we've got to get through 100 people and We want to be respectful of your time, that you get what you want to say and everybody gets a chance to speak. But we also remember that there's only so many positions on this and with 100 speakers, we're probably going to be repeating ourselves. So-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed36:27 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Mr

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8336:27 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Chair? Yes, Supervisor Wolff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed36:30 · ≈ 9:36 AM

I respect your authority to run this meeting as you see fit but in a minute and a half for all the speakers, I understand that. I do believe that the folks who put forth this initiative should have more time than a minute and a half to go over some of the issues that have been raised. There's been a lot of legal questions, there's been a lot of legal questions and I would just It just seems you know at maybe give them 10 minutes to I mean why we're

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8337:05 · ≈ 9:37 AM

guys that's why we weren't remember what I just got done saying yeah there you go okay that's fine

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:10 · ≈ 9:37 AM

but we're

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8337:10 · ≈ 9:37 AM

not gonna we're not gonna raspberry and all that kind of stuff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed37:12 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Okay, that's just my suggestion it just seems fair but again I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8337:16 · ≈ 9:37 AM

wasn't saying that to you. Of course not. All right You're too close to me. Actually I spoke with this, Mr. Gazzone could you give us an opinion please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed37:31 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Chair Levenino and Supervisors, so the case law in this area, case law and statute in this area is the board may actually limit public comment which you've done previously by resolution and have mentioned that again today. And the goal in this area under the case law is to avoid applying public comment time in a way that is arbitrary or unreasonable. Since this is not a quasi-judicial hearing, we don't have the normal format of a quasi judicial hearing for an applicant and an opponent to actually present. But an alternative that might work would be as someone is speaking in public comment if the board has questions that would be on their time.

But I would recommend against providing a block of time for one view of the project and then limiting the rest of the public to 90 seconds. Okay, I had one other comment that might help to shape the public comment as you move forward and that is that under Elections Code 9118 as well as the way this was agendized for today The board's options are to adopt the ordinance without alteration or to submit it to the voters without alteration. So unlike legislation that the board is involved with outside of the initiative process, there is not an ability to do a pen and ink change to clarify something or to make it different today. It's what you see in front of you is what you either adopt or send to the voters in that form.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8338:57 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Okay, very good. So hope everybody heard that. Oh, Supervisor Carbajal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed39:04 · ≈ 9:39 AM

Thank you. But that's different from the report that you said, whether we could provide comment except not accept. That's what you were referring to was the ordinance and the ballot question or help me understand specifically the documents that you say we really can't modify. We just we basically have our hands Tide.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed39:38 · ≈ 9:39 AM

Chair, Labanino and Supervisor Kerbehal. So under the elections code you do not have the ability to alter the text of the proposed ordinance itself so there's no discretion on that. You either adopt it without alteration or you send it to the voters without alteration. The second, or previously I discussed the actual report which your agenda is to receive and file. You actually have broad choices in that area. You could take no action on receiving and file. You could receive it, express your disagreement with certain sections, file it.

You have the ability to take action on that. As to your question about the actual ballot question, which is within the resolution I Would recommend not modifying the ballot question itself in that. The ballot question is subject To both 75 word limit under the Elections Code and also controlling case law that requires the question to be phrased in a way That is not partisan or favoring any particular side So the art in this area is to craft something that neutrally expresses the operation of the proposed ordinance as to the ballot question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed41:05 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Mr. Chair, the reason I focused on the ballot question is that I got input. I think all of us got input On something that wouldn't change the nature of things but would be more consistent and focused on high intensity. The word high intensity versus certain, and I thought that was just semantics but an important piece of input that we received. That wouldn't as well, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, but to me it didn't seem that it would modify much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed41:42 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Chair Labadino and Supervisor Carmichael. So I will tell you that the case law in this area involved, the most recent case law in this area involved a ballot question that started with the words pension reform as opposed to pension modification and one of our One of our sister counties went through this, or sister cities excuse me, City of San Jose went through this and found out that the term, the word reform was a partisan word whereas the word modification was a neutral word.

And when I issued the ballot title and summary that actually goes out to the voters for the petition, we actually had the luxury of 500 words within there because it's under a different section in the elections code to describe the measure and how everything worked. We are now limited to 75 words in the ballot question, and I strongly recommend not altering the ballot question.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8342:50 · ≈ 9:42 AM

Thank you. All right Mr. Allen let's get ready.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction42:55 · ≈ 9:42 AM

Chair Lavignino members of the board we're going to start in Santa Barbara. We're gonna start with Owen Bailey to be followed by Pat Kistler and then Linda Foster in Santa Barbara

PresenterOwen Baileythe Environmental Defense Center and on behalf of EDCProposedself-stated43:10 · ≈ 9:43 AM

Good morning. Morning, Chair Lavinino, honorable members of the board. Thank you for this opportunity to address you this morning. My name is Owen Bailey. I'm the Executive Director of the Environmental Defense Center and on behalf of EDC, I would like to humbly request the board place the healthy air and water initiative on the November ballot. EDC has been examining the threats posed by acidization, cyclic steaming, and hydraulic fracturing since 2011.

And the fact is these risky, polluting technologies pose significant threats to our communities and our environment. And they remain insufficiently regulated. While our support for this initiative is based on the environment and concern for safety, we are however gratified that county staff has done a thorough job analyzing some of the economic issues associated with banning these risky technologies. And as far as county revenues are concerned, Of the Healthy Air Initiative will have only minimal impact economically. Of all the more than 180,000 jobs in the county, only more than 1% have any relationship with the oil industry. And even with passage of the initiative, the oil industry will continue to employ county residents and pay taxes.

Without a doubt, over the next few months we'll all be confronted with predictable economic scare tactics. But as staff ably demonstrates, the economic trade off for reducing risk and significant environmental impacts is minimal.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8344:41 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Sir your time's up. Thank you for your

PresenterOwen Baileythe Environmental Defense Center and on behalf of EDCProposedself-stated44:43 · ≈ 9:44 AM

time.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction44:45 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Pat Kistler to be followed by Linda Foster and then Michael Wetland

PresenterPat KistlerCCA Board which stands for the Chambers of Commerce Alliance and it includes almProposedself-stated44:50 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Good morning. I'm Pat Kistler, the immediate past president of the CCA Board which stands for the Chambers of Commerce Alliance and it includes almost 20 members both capital circle and chambers along the South Coast. I am currently also the Government Relations Director for the Carpinteria Valley Chamber. I am speaking to you of course on item one. As an organization comprised of chambers of commerce in both Ventura and Santa Barbara County, and representing approximately 200,000 jobs in both counties, the Chamber of Commerce Alliance supports putting this issue on the November ballot to allow the citizens to decide what they want.

An outright ban on oil and gas production will have far reaching consequences. County boundaries are not barriers to workers. There are Santa Barbara and Ventura county residents who rely on the production of oil and gas in both counties for their livelihood. They may be employed directly by a producer or they may work in a subcontractual or an ancillary industry. Those people deserve the opportunity to cast their ballot, For voting against or for an outright ban on production. The CCA respectfully requests that the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors to order the proposed ordinance to be submitted without alterations to the voters of the county on the November 4th, 2014 statewide election. Thank you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8346:26 · ≈ 9:46 AM

very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction46:27 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Linda Foster and Michael Wetland and then Sandra Burkhart.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed46:35 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Good morning, thanks for giving me the opportunity. The environmental movement continues their attempt to control a common sense productivity in our country and the Santa Barbara County. Our resources continue to be the assets which keep our products manufactured and used daily in our lives. The Green Movement only thinks in their own box of a lack of common sense and thorough research. To this production activity, the oil industry is overregulated as it is.

I personally own mineral rights to potential future drilling on private land in the San Joaquin Valley. As a child raised in that area my grandfather worked as a subcontractor for the standard oil land leases. The environmental impact from oil production from the 1940s to today have had minimal impact for that area. I see this as an attempt to make a bureaucratic decision today by this board, to bypass the local voice of the voters and the taxpayers who have the right to review this issue, this measure, and make their own decision on this.

Put this proposed ordinance on the ballot to give the power making decisions back in the hands of the people. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction47:59 · ≈ 9:47 AM

Michael Wetland and Sandra Burkhardt and Albert Oten.

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CommentMichael WetlandProposedself-stated48:12 · ≈ 9:48 AM

Yes, my name is Michael Wetland. I'm a long time Santa Barbara County resident and a graduate of both Allan Hancock College and UCSB. I have a short opinion piece here written by Kevin Walters the president and superintendent of Allan Hancock College in the interest of time I'll only read a couple experts from it And this is having to do with the Santa Barbara County report, A Snapshot of Poverty from last fall.

The report is particularly sobering for those of us serving North County. A Snapshot of Poverty details reality of children in the Allan Hancock College service area. Almost three quarters of all county children living in poverty reside in our community college district. Moreover, if the data reporting anomaly of students living in Isla Vista is considered, Lompoc and Santa Maria account for 85% of all county residents living in high-poverty areas.

And then it continues on later. Persistent poverty can only be addressed by building a system that allows for economic mobility. According to the UCSB Economic Forecast, job growth in Santa Barbara County through 2020 will be dominated by low wage jobs such as farm laborers, personal care aids and the service industry. Of the ten fastest growing jobs for the next six years, only one registered nurse pays more than the medium county salary. While four of the top ten barely register at half the median salary.

If as suggested by a snapshot of poverty, the North County must take steps to attract large numbers of jobs with family sustaining wages, mobility and decent benefits. Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8349:44 · ≈ 9:49 AM

you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction49:46 · ≈ 9:49 AM

Sandra Burkhart to be followed by Albert Oden and then Brendan Huffman.

PresenterSandra BurkhartWestern States Petroleum AssociationProposedself-stated49:51 · ≈ 9:49 AM

Good morning, my name is Sandra Burkhart. I represent the Western States Petroleum Association. We are a non-profit trade association that represents producers, refiners, transporters and marketers of petroleum and petroleum based products in California and five other western states. First, I did want to state that WSPA does support placing this on the November ballot and letting the voters decide.

While I understand the county did have a limited ability to do this study it was brought up this morning by Supervisor Wolff and by Supervisor Carbajal Potentially some areas within the study that were not included. And it occurs to me, I just wonder if the study cannot be continued? Seems like there are a lot of really important and critical issues that need to be discussed and the public has a right to know what they're going to be voting on. The government deserves to know what they're going to be voting on themselves and what sort of legal battles and things like that they might be up against. And while I appreciate that the government entity here today didn't have time, I think that in general there's been common precedent over time that governments can continue to do studies beyond this timeline.

If you look at extensive studies that have been done on climate change so I guess urge the county to consider doing more research, you have until November. Do more research, learn more about the impact, share this with the public, please inform them so they understand what it is that they're voting for in November. Thank you. Thank

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction51:16 · ≈ 9:51 AM

you. Albert Oten then Brendan Huffman to be followed by Kristen Miller.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8351:21 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed51:24 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Hi my name is Albert Oten- Just a moment please, just a moment. The speaker mentioned a request that we consider continuing, but we have a specific number of days to take action. Correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed51:39 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Chair Lavagnino and Supervisor Carpajal, that is correct. Elections Code section 9118C directs that from today when the report was presented to the board, the board shall either adopt the ordinance within 10 days or order the election. And again, that's with the unaltered text. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8352:00 · ≈ 9:52 AM

But let me just ask then but what she was talking about was the other report that's really not part of the ballot Would we still be able to do, I mean there was a couple of tweaks that were asked for. Is there anything in that report that we would still be able to study or move forward with?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed52:19 · ≈ 9:52 AM

The short answer is yes, although this report will have been received today. There's nothing that would prevent the board from agendizing a future meeting to discuss this in more detail whether that would help to shape the boards argument. It could be used in that or just be information. made available to the public that would be allowed, but you don't have the option of going more than ten days from today to make the decision on adopt or send to voters.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8352:50 · ≈ 9:52 AM

Okay, very good. We'll go back to our public speaker in Santa Barbara

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed52:55 · ≈ 9:52 AM

Hi guys, my name is Albert. I'm going to speak very quickly. Fracking and steam cyclic injection in Santa Barbara will ultimately produce less than one-one thousandth of the oil the United States uses per year. It will not make any material impact to US security or energy self reliance nor will it lower gas prices nationally or locally. This discussion is not about increasing jobs, it's about oil jobs but it's unfortunately at the expense of other core assets that we have. Oil represents 1% of the economy, 300 jobs. There's 11,000 in technology, 25,000 in farming, 25,000 tourism. None of these industries are enhanced by oil expansion and most are hurt. I've hired over 100 sales people here. I've invested in three San Barbara tech companies that employ over 500 people.

I believe in job growth providing well paying jobs for families who live here and I believe that the expansion of oil operations hurts both. When we needed a CEO for one of our companies, we lured an AOL executive away from Germany. On his first trip, we took him surfing near the same waters Vinoco is now acidizing. That CEO moved here not because of oil but in spite of it. He chose Santa Barbara over Silicon Valley partly because of our environment.

Surfing, paddle boarding and mountain biking. That CEO is now an investor in over five startup companies in Santa Barbara that employ close to 1,000 employees. Our tech companies compete against college grads against Silicon Valley which can pay $50,000 more for engineering sales talent. I sell grads our environment, clean air, unspoiled beaches, paddle boarding at lunch and wineries on the weekends. And the possibilities of raising a family in an environment you can't put a price tag on. In Bakersfield's Fred Saar spent ten years winning $9 million settlement against Era Energy because they leaked 43 million gallons of cyclic steam injection waste water onto his farm. Thank you very

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8354:31 · ≈ 9:54 AM

much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed54:32 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction54:32 · ≈ 9:54 AM

The next speaker is Brendan Huffman to be followed by Kristen Miller and then Lanny Ebenstein.

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PresenterBrendan HuffmanCoastal Energy AllianceProposedself-stated54:41 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Good morning, I'm Brendan Huffman with the Coastal Energy Alliance. And the initiative process has so many problems. It takes away an opportunity to have a dialogue, not just with the county but with folks who have different views on energy production. So faced with the choice of putting this on the ballot or not, the board needs to put this on the ballot. But let's not stop the dialogue. Hopefully, this study can continue and we can have a dialogue that is more about the impacts regionally beyond Santa Barbara County and beyond our borders.

So this initiative, as written is deceptive. The proponents are talking about fracking but it's really about steam injection which is a different process and requires a lot more study and understanding by the voters. In the meantime The board only had, or staff only had a limited time to conduct the study. And in that study they were not able to look at the unintended consequences of folks in Ventura County, Kern County, LA County, other energy producing counties as well as those who are going to be living along the rail lines and the highways where that energy is going to be transported. There are many, many other unintended consequences.

It would be nice to have a dialogue, but I guess we'll have to do it with voters before November 4th. And we look forward to being a part of that dialogue. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction56:12 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Christian Miller and we're going to go with Lanny Evenstein and Fran Farina is the final speaker in Santa Barbara.

PresenterKristen MillerGoleta Valley Chamber of Commerce representing 450 members and 35Proposedself-stated56:21 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Good morning, Supervisor Lavanino and members of the board. I'm Kristen Miller, President and CEO of the Goleta Valley Chamber of Commerce representing 450 members and 35,000 jobs. We also ask you to place this item on the ballot for decision by the voters. Our chamber will continue to study and assess the potential negative effects on our local economy of this ban on local energy production. We ask that although we, like the other speakers appreciate the information that's been presented in the study today.

That you continue to study research and educate voters on the county wide effects of this proposal to ban one specific industry that supports so many jobs and economic vitality in our county. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction57:02 · ≈ 9:57 AM

Thank you. Lenny Evenstein and then Fran Farina.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed57:10 · ≈ 9:57 AM

Members of the Board of Supervisors, as you consider this proposed ordinance I think there's several issues that you should keep in mind. First are private economic impacts particularly in Northern Santa Barbara County. As several speakers have noted unemployment in much of northern Santa Barbara county exceeds 10% and there are high child poverty rates in much of the area.

A second issue to consider is the influence of oil and gas production on local government revenues, including more than $10 million that local school districts receive from this oil and gas production currently. Third, consider the influence of increased domestic oil and As opposed to increased oil and gas production elsewhere in the world where there are lower environmental standards.

And then also consider the impact of increased domestic production in the United States with really what's happening in Middle East, is this a time for decreased oil and gas production in the United States? There's no option that you have other than to place the proposed ordinance on the ballot. But I hope that members of the Board of Supervisors will not support this initiative in this November's election. This is not a good ordinance for the county of Santa Barbara, it's not a good ordinance in general and as I say after it's placed on the ballot, I hope that you will not support it. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction58:41 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Friend Farina that we're going to come back to Santa Maria for Catherine Borgard Linda crop and Maggie Hall

PresenterFran Farinaover 5Proposedself-stated58:50 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Good morning, Supervisors. My name is Fran Farina. I'm the Vice Chair of the Los Padres Chapter of Sierra Club representing over 5,000 members in Santa Barbara County and Ventura County. You've received a letter from our chair David Gold and I just wanted to read two of the paragraphs into the record today. The Sierra Club has a long history of helping to protect millions of acres of wilderness and to pass the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, and Endangered Species Act. The Los Padres chapter of the Sierra Club has a long standing commitment to promoting clean energy use and to preventing environmentally damaging fossil fuel extraction. To further this commitment to our beautiful and unique county, we fully support the initiative to prohibit the use of any land within the county's unincorporated area for high intensity petroleum operations.

This initiative gives priority to the voices of the people of Santa Barbara County. It will protect our valuable land, water and natural beauty into the future from dubious oil and gas extraction methods. We, the Los Padres Chapter of the Sierra Club fully support this initiative to ensure the protection of our environment thereby ensuring the health and welfare of those fortunate enough to reside in Santa Barbara County. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:00:07 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Thank you. Catherine Borgad, Linda Kropp, and then Maggie Hall.

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CommentCatherine BorgardProposedself-stated1:00:14 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Hello, my name is Catherine Borgard and my husband and I were both born in Santa Barbara County and raised here our entire lives. This is our paradise this is our home we are currently residents of Lompoc and we'd like to mention I want to bring up that opponents make it sound like this initiative will shut down the entire oil industry in Santa Barbara. Now, I have a degree in science but I realize that I'm not a petroleum engineer. However, I do know that Santa Barbara County has been producing oil for well over a century and I know that for most of that time though oil has been extracted using conventional methods not these new extreme ones It would be very helpful to know how many of our wells already require these techniques. The staff report doesn't say.

It does say that 100% of the active wells use at least one secondary or enhanced recovery technique identified in the measure. If for no other reason than for well maintenance, but this initiative does not apply to well maintenance only production. So that's rather misleading. We know that the vast majority of oil wells in this county are conventional ones that have never undergone any sort of stimulation and yet we still managed to produce millions of barrels of oil last year. The staff report states it is not unusual for an oil or gas well to produce economic reserves for decades. It sounds like conventional oil will still be with us for a long time unfortunately Thank you very much. I appreciate your time.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:01:49 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Supervisor Farr?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:01:51 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to ask a couple of clarifying questions before we go forward with the rest of public comment. We talked earlier about this specific ballot language so I just want to be clear in attachment B what's in the box is specifically what would show up on a ballot in November along with everything else that would be on the ballot in November

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:02:21 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Chair Lavagnino and Supervisor Farr, that's correct other than the insertion after the word measure of the actual letter and date 2014.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:02:33 · ≈ 10:02 AM

OK. And then going to, that's in attachment B. In attachment C I'm assuming what was submitted to Mr. Holland's office was all of what's All of this, starting with the bold initiative to ban. And then probably that was above to the honorable registrar voters. So the section underneath that is what county council's office wrote as title and summary.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:03:13 · ≈ 10:03 AM

I missed one part of this but I can answer that attachment C which is labeled ballot title and summary was the approximately 500 word ballot title and summary that I submitted to the elections official.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:03:30 · ≈ 10:03 AM

Okay, so as a voter you get your sample ballot or if you don't go to the polls you get your mail-in ballot which would just have what's in the box on it. But then you can get a ballot pamphlet. So I'm wondering where additional language, whether it's just county council's title and summary or if that's just for the elections office. Or whether this whole all of this other explanation or what was submitted where that would appear for people to read through the whole thing?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:04:10 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Chair Lavigno and Supervisor Farr, the elections officials practice is on the website and at the counter to have available the ballot title and summary but that does not become part of the ballot materials that are received by voters.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:04:28 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Okay so what would the voters receive the rest of this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:04:34 · ≈ 10:04 AM

The package that the voters receive is the ballot question, as well as the full text and whatever arguments are submitted by proponents and opponents. And that includes the board's opportunity either as a board or members of the board to submit an argument for or against.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:04:55 · ≈ 10:04 AM

Okay so the full text is this ten or twelve pages that we have here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:05:00 · ≈ 10:05 AM

Believe the text is someplace around 26 pages. Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:05:05 · ≈ 10:05 AM

All right, and then for implementation The implementation date is that? If the board adopted it today What would be the implementation date and if I went to the ballot and was approved when one would be the implementation date?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:05:26 · ≈ 10:05 AM

The implementation date would be right away in both cases.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:05:31 · ≈ 10:05 AM

Immediately, because there's something in here that talks about January 1st of the following year but I think that's tied in with making changes to the comprehensive plan?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:05:42 · ≈ 10:05 AM

Let me look at your question on that one because there is an integration and consistency provision. Give me one second on that. So far, you're correct. The January 1st date refers to as I thought the implementation which is part of the ensuring consistency of the county plan and the ordinances that's the following year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:06:32 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Okay so is that the implementation date?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:06:36 · ≈ 10:06 AM

As a practical matter the ordinance would become effective immediately and then we have essentially one year after January to complete All of the actions required to make other parts of the comprehensive plan ordinances and policies consistent with that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:06:54 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Okay No, it says January 1st of the next year. I think it says January 1st of the next year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:07:00 · ≈ 10:07 AM

That's correct so it would go in November and then you have it goes November 2014 you have until January 2015 to roll forward with the rest of the consistencies.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:07:10 · ≈ 10:07 AM

Okay and that would then be required? Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:07:13 · ≈ 10:07 AM

Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:07:15 · ≈ 10:07 AM

thank you very much Thank You Mr. Chair

PresenterLinda KroppWater GuardiansProposedself-stated1:07:19 · ≈ 10:07 AM

Good morning Chair Lavagnino, members of the board. I'm Linda Kropp, Chief Counsel of the Environmental Defense Center appearing today on behalf of Water Guardians, the proponents of the Healthy Air and Water Initiative. I would like to thank the Board for setting this special hearing and for processing the initiative in a timely manner. We urge the Board to place this matter on the November ballot. We also urge the board to correct a very important erroneous and misleading statement in the impact analysis report relating to well maintenance.

For the most part, the report is fair and provides a great summary analysis but the statement that routine well maintenance even for existing operations will be prohibited by the initiative is plainly erroneous. First, the initiative does not apply to existing operations. There is an express exemption for vested rights in the measure. This means all existing oil and gas operations may continue and no one will be shut down.

Second, the initiative only applies to high-intensity petroleum operations The findings and purpose as well as the definitions are clear that the initiative does not apply to well maintenance. And in fact, the authors of the initiative relied on the county's own petroleum code and its definitions which distinguish between secondary and enhanced recovery operations which are the subject of the initiative entitled accordingly versus well servicing which includes maintenance which is not included in the initiative and is not covered.

In addition, the county requires a notice of intention to proceed with secondary and enhanced recovery but not for maintenance. The initiative must be interpreted consistent with the county's existing code and this must be clarified and corrected.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:08:53 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Your time is up Linda thank you.

PresenterLinda KroppWater GuardiansProposedself-stated1:08:54 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:08:55 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Maggie Hall followed by Robert Petty then Emily Williams

PresenterMaggie HallWater GuardiansProposedself-stated1:09:00 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Good morning. I'm Maggie Hall, staff attorney at the Environmental Defense Center also appearing on behalf of the Water Guardians. I have three additional issues to address. First, the proposed language of the ballot should be modified to accurately reflect the measure's content and effect. It should thus replace the term certain petroleum operations with the term high-intensity petroleum operations. Otherwise, the term will mislead voters and this will likewise fit within the 75 word limit.

Second, the initiative would not constitute an unlawful taking. And this is because it would not prevent property owners from making uses of their property. Under the initiative they could continue existing operations. They could also proceed with low intensity oil and gas production. And they can use their property for other uses consistent with applicable zoning. As the Supreme Court has stated in Keystone Bituminous Coal Association, regulations that affect only subsurface mineral extraction. That does not result in a loss of all economically beneficial uses of property does not constitute a taking.

Nevertheless if a landowner is concerned that a taking may occur. The owner may apply to the county for an exemption to the initiative's prohibition on high intensity oil and gas development. And third, the county would not be required under the initiative to refund any property taxes to owners as has been argued by some proponents. Under the initiative only reserves that are proven with existing oil and gas operations in the past year are included in the next year property tax valuation none of which are prohibited by the initiative. In sum, the initiative is a lawful land use measure. Thank you.

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:10:38 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Robert Petty. Followed by Emily Williams and then Rebecca August.

CommentRobert PettyProposedself-stated1:10:49 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Emily and Rebecca, please come up so we're all ready to go. Thank you. My name is Robert Petty I was going to speak about the chemicals used in fracking but it's been made pretty clear that fracking is not one of the issues in this particular in our county so I'm just going to express my That I'm in favor of the issue and that's about all I need to say right now. Thank you.

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:11:20 · ≈ 10:11 AM

Thank you. Emily Williams, then Rebecca August and Max Golding

PresenterEmily WilliamsCalifornia Student Sustainability CoalitionProposedself-stated1:11:25 · ≈ 10:11 AM

Good morning, my name is Emily Williams. I'm a recent alum of UC Santa Barbara and also with the California Student Sustainability Coalition. I'd first like to say that I had Professor Peter Rupert as one of my professors at UCSB and the main takeaway that I got from his classes was that external costs are not currently represented in a lot of the ways that we measure our economy.

And I want to see a discussion of external costs here. We need to look at external costs associated with extreme energy extraction, including water. So what's going to happen to water? These methods use a lot of water. There's a high risk of water contamination and can we really afford that right now with the extreme drought that California is facing? Air, let's look at air quality. We have a large population in our state and in our county there's already a lot of areas with poor air quality so to make that get any worse. Now let's look at earthquakes.

Fracking has been scientifically proven to cause earthquakes and we live in a state that is riddled with fault lines, and we are now proposing to have something that would make those fault lines possibly go off and see even worse earthquakes. The only claim that a lot of proponents of these kind of extraction methods can say is that it's for natural gas. But in California, we know it's not for natural gas. It's for oil and it's for a much dirtier crude oil than we see from a lot of the oil that we're getting from Texas or somewhere else. So really none of the benefits, the so-called benefits apply here. I would like to see a discussion happening with external costs and making sure that we are protecting our societies and our environment instead of the needs of special interest groups.

CommentRebecca AugustProposedself-stated1:13:00 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Thank you. Rebecca August, Max Golding and then Dr. Kevin Beckman.

CommentRebecca AugustProposedself-stated1:13:07 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Hi I'm Rebecca August. I've just been to the small town in Pennsylvania where my family spent summers when I was a kid. A place that once thrived on tourism and agriculture like Santa Barbara County. Now it's parked with abandoned strip malls, property values have plummeted, most houses look shabby and dilapidated. Tourists don't visit anymore and the roads are some of the worst I've ever driven. Pennsylvania is now notorious for its fracking boom that's famously caused flammable water and health problems related to air pollution. We chose our ranch just north of Bilton so we could live and work somewhere beautiful, grow vegetables, keep animals, raise our children where it was safe to play outdoors. And because of the well clean excellent tasting non-flammable water.

We were unable to buy our properties mineral and gas rights but back then they had not been exempted from most of sorry high intensity oil extraction had not been exempted from most federal environmental protections. Today, if high-intensity oil extraction techniques are employed beside or beneath our land there's nothing to protect our well from permanent contamination or air from being poisoned. People are drawn to Santa Barbara County for many of the same reasons that we were and they will leave when those things disappear. Clean water is not replaceable nor is health. We must learn from the documented effects that high intensity oil extraction has had in Pennsylvania and elsewhere and act to protect ourselves, our residents, and the businesses and industry that already thrive here.

Thank you so much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:14:26 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Max Golding, Dr. Kevin Beckman and then Aliyah Osuna

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:14:32 · ≈ 10:14 AM

Hi there, I'm going to go really fast. The IPCC's fourth assessment report concluded like previous reports that the burning of fossil fuels is causing global warming. The many impacts of global warming include increased frequency and severity of droughts such as the one we're currently in. A study published in the Geophysical Research Letters on May 5th of last month concluded that the grout we are currently in is a result of human-caused global warming. Many of us have been doing whatever we can to address the climate crisis as consumers, members of advocacy groups and as policy makers. I got rid of both cars that I owned in 2009, became a full time cyclist. I have friends who installed solar panels and drive electric cars. People are buying energy efficient appliances and finding ways to conserve energy.

Even county staff has worked to address the climate crisis by outlining a 15% reduction in GHGs by 2020 as described in the County Action Plan. Thanks for endorsing that last year, seems like we're all doing our part. But all our efforts would be in vain if this impending county oil boom ran its course. UCSB Professor Catherine Gautier has calculated that one company alone, Santa Maria Energy, would emit nearly 5 million tons of GHGs a year if their 7700 proposed wells are tapped. One company alone doubling our county's entire emissions. I ask you what's the point of me riding my bike everywhere if one company can double the entire county's emissions? Meanwhile Gold Leaf Jewelry Company based out of Beijing China just invested over $650 million in oil production here.

How many more companies are going to come in and affect, nullify our countywide efforts to address the climate crisis? The initiative to ban high intensity oil petroleum operations would complement our efforts. Lost my spot, damn, darn. To allow the oil industry to nullify our efforts in the name of a few outsourced jobs and negligible amount of tax revenue that would be regressive. Let's go down in history as making climate progress not climate chaos. Thank you.

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CommentKevin BeckmanProposedself-stated1:16:09 · ≈ 10:16 AM

Dr. Kevin Beckman, Aliyah Osuna and then Claudia Knudson

CommentKevin BeckmanProposedself-stated1:16:15 · ≈ 10:16 AM

Hello, my name is Kevin Beckman. I'm a family physician practicing in Santa Ynez Valley and Santa Maria for the last 15 years. I am here of my own volition. In the past week, I've had to tell one patient that she has metastatic ovarian cancer, told another he has months to live after a three-year battle with metastatic sarcoma, and signed the death certificate of another who died of lung cancer. Breast and prostate cancer are so commonplace that it's hard to keep up. The most frequent consultation reports I receive are from oncologists and radiation oncologists. I am here today to say we have enough cancer in our home and the last thing we need Is increase the number of cancer patients by the addition of further carcinogens to our environment.

Methylene chloride, benzene, trimethylbenzene, xylene, toluene, chloroform ethyl benzene and 2-budoxy ethanol are just some of the examples of the disclosed volatile chemicals and solvents used in high intensity oil extraction as described in the initiative. This does not include further radioactive carcinogens brought from the dusts of the earth such as bromide, arsenic, uranium, radium and radon. We need to be looking for ways to decrease cancer in our county and not increasing it. It is devastating and life altering to the individuals and their families and friends when I have to make that call and I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have cancer. Thank you.

GuestClaudia KnutsonSuperintendentProposedself-stated1:17:29 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Alia Osuna doesn't feel ready to talk, so I'll go ahead. My name is Claudia Knutson. In many areas oil companies are in direct competition with farmers for water. According to the superintendent of the West Kern Water District which distributes water from the state water project to the west side of the San Joaquin Valley, oil companies received 83% of the district's allocation in 2009 roughly 8.4 billion gallons of water In 2012, companies providing for high-intensity petroleum operations were top bidders on Colorado water supplies once claimed exclusively by the state's farmers.

The average price paid for water at the auctions has been driven up over 25%. Shifting interest from agriculture in support of oil production isn't in the interest of our state. California and agriculture are synonymous. As reported in the Environmental Science and Technology, a study on localizing fruit and vegetable consumption by Professor David Cleveland of UCSP. An estimated 99% of Santa Barbara County's produce is exported.

The article reports, Santa Barbara County ranks in the top 1% of US counties in value of agricultural products and above 80% of this value of produce is in fruits and vegetables. People all over the nation and elsewhere rely on our produce. By supporting this ramp up of oil wells, you are advocating for oil production and forsaking our agriculture. Contaminated water and soil will be this commodity's byproduct. This is not the way to plan for the welfare of future generations.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:19:06 · ≈ 10:19 AM

Time's up, thank you very

GuestClaudia KnutsonSuperintendentProposedself-stated1:19:07 · ≈ 10:19 AM

much. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:19:12 · ≈ 10:19 AM

Lynn Pelsinger? Then James Downey? And then Rosemary Holmes.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:19:23 · ≈ 10:19 AM

Go ahead, thank you very much for being here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:19:25 · ≈ 10:19 AM

My name is Lynn. What is it like to live near fracking wells? I want to quote from an LA Times article about the Parr family in Texas, who won a $3 million lawsuit from Aruba Petroleum. They were living near fracking wells. Lisa Parr started feeling sick to her stomach and suffered from blinding headaches. She brushed it off as the flu but she didn't get better. She developed a mysterious rash all over her body and open sores that never healed.

Sometimes she had trouble standing and became disoriented. Once the rashes and sores became so severe, then emergency room doctors had to pack her body in ice. Her daughter, then in first grade had terrible nosebleeds and she slept and would awake soaked in blood. Her husband began to have memory problems. Their calves were born with birth defects and their pets began to die. By January 2010 the Parr's neighbors also complained of mysterious ailments. That family hired a specialist to test the air and suggested the Parrs do the same.

The tests found benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene. All colorless but toxic chemicals typically found in petroleum products. Lisa took the findings to her doctor. My doctor told me I needed to move out immediately or I would spend more time and money on hospitalizations, chemotherapy and a mortician she said. It could happen in Texas, and it could happen here in California.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:21:08 · ≈ 10:21 AM

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:21:09 · ≈ 10:21 AM

James Downey to be followed by Rosemary Holmes and then Gary Shapiro.

CommentJames DowneyProposedself-stated1:21:16 · ≈ 10:21 AM

Thank you for this opportunity to address the board. Hello my name is James Downey and I live in Lompoc. I'd like to express my concerns about the expansion of extreme and risky oil extraction techniques and their impacts on our beautiful county. I'm concerned about their impact on property values overall and the negative impacts on our community image and brand, both nationally and internationally. We are a county primarily dependent on tourism and agriculture, gaming, higher education research in military and civilian missile launch activities. As the board's recent study shows, county tax revenues from oil production are relatively small part of the big picture and will be replaced by alternate sources over time. The current initiative to ban fracking and other risky extraction techniques would allow the slow and gradual phase-out of a limited resource industry that negatively impacts, in particular our property values, quality of life, and health.

Who wants to live next door to an oil well or processing facility? Studies show that property value surrounding oil processes are devalued in a rippling effect outwards Ancillary support activities by the county are expensive and overly intensive for a high impact industrial activity of this nature. Most importantly, our local brand is damaged by adverse effects that are difficult to measure but intuitively significant. Oil and water don't mix. Oil and tourism don't mix. Oil in agriculture don't mix. Oil in gaming don't mixed except that they're both risky adventures. One accident in our county and our brand goes down the tubes nationally and internationally in this day.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:22:52 · ≈ 10:22 AM

So your time's up, thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:22:55 · ≈ 10:22 AM

Rosemary Holmes then Gary Shapiro to be followed by Corey Ellis

CommentRosemary HolmesProposedself-stated1:23:01 · ≈ 10:23 AM

Hello, I'm Rosemary Holmes. This initiative does not impact any current jobs or revenue, only potential future growth using risky techniques. At the 2014 county economic forecast recently, the oil industry was not mentioned at all. It is not a significant driver of our economy and to the degree it becomes more dominant, it puts the rest of our economy at risk because the oil industry isn't that compatible with tourism, agriculture, or technology. According to Chris Mell of Headwater Economics, any industry impacts other sectors. Our long-term analysis of counties with reliance on oil extraction is that it can crowd out growth in other industries. That is job growth in the oil industry can mean job reduction in other industry sectors that might otherwise have played a more prominent role.

With oil production the boom bust nature can lead to negative effects over long term on per capita income crime rates and educational attainment. Do we really want to create a few jobs at the cost of many more in industries that are far better for long term economic health? Per the Journal of Town and City Management, a study of 26 counties that have based their economic development on the extraction of fossil fuels shows these counties have not performed as well as similar counties without extraction industries.

We do not have to choose between our environment and our economy. Both are better off with this initiative in place. Thank you.

CommentGary ShapiroProposedself-stated1:24:30 · ≈ 10:24 AM

Gary Shapiro, Corey Ellis and then Heidi

CommentBrendan HuffmanProposed · by introduction1:24:33 · ≈ 10:24 AM

Davis. Thank you. I am concerned that the report overstates the financial contribution of oil industries in the following ways. It doesn't subtract land values from taxes paid. It doesn't offset land values from taxes paid. It doesn't offset oil taxes paid by the negative impact on neighboring property values and taxes. It does not offset gross taxes paid by the amount of county services demanded by the oil industry. And it does not offset the negative impact that oil extraction has on other industries such as tourism and wineries, and we cannot expect any of these enhanced techniques to be clean. Otherwise why were they exempted from the Clean Water and Clean Drinking Water Acts?

Why did that happen? Because they couldn't have done this kind of extraction unless they were exempt from these clean water acts.

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:25:32 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Coriellis, Heidi Davis and then Thea Atman.

CommentCorey EllisProposedself-stated1:25:37 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Good morning and thank you for this meeting. I'm Corey Ellis, and I'm a graduate student of sociology at UCSB and a proud member of 350 Santa Barbara. 350 is the concentration of carbon in our atmosphere that is safe for human life. We have passed 400. Last November, I conducted research at the United Nations Summit on Climate Change in Warsaw, Poland where the world's nations were unable to make any significant progress on mitigating climate change.

This experience in Poland confirmed my belief in the need for local actions like the Healthy Air and Water Initiative, which have the power to move us toward a sustainable future. Extracting oil in our county using extreme techniques is incompatible with a sustainable future and irresponsible. The carbon intensity value of Orca crude oil is three points higher than Corn River crude oil, which is one of the most carbon intensive oils in the entire world.

Science proves and governments acknowledge the need to reduce our emissions. Please set Santa Barbara County on the path to be a leader in the global transition to clean, renewable energy to ensure we have a livable planet. Please adopt this initiative. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:26:57 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Heidi Davis and Thea Atman to be followed by Arlo Bender-Simon.

CommentHeidi DavisProposedself-stated1:27:04 · ≈ 10:27 AM

Thank you Chair and Board. I'm Heidi Davis, and I live in Lompoc. Of all the economic nonsense being spread about this initiative, the most ludicrous is that it would raise the price of gasoline. Ask any economist and they will assure you of this fact. According to Professor Charles Kolstad of the Institute for Economic Policy Research at Stanford University Whatever happens to oil production in Santa Barbara County, whether up or down will have virtually no effect on the local national or global price of oil products like gasoline.

This argument is nothing more than a desperate attempt to scare voters. Santa Barbara County is responsible for one 100th of a percent of total global oil production. That's literally a drop in the bucket. None of our oil stays here for refining. It is shipped out of the county while our gasoline is made elsewhere and shipped in. Meanwhile, gasoline in the US is actually going down.

New US fuel efficiency standards will save billions of barrels of oil and sales of new hybrids and electric cars are skyrocketing. It is simply ridiculous to conclude that because we drive, we must allow outside oil companies to come in here, destroy our environment and extract our oil and sell it on the global market. Oil like most of our commodities these days is global. One that is not however is water.

Most of our water is sourced and used locally- Ma'am

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:28:36 · ≈ 10:28 AM

your time's up.

CommentHeidi DavisProposedself-stated1:28:36 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Thank you very much. Okay

CommentFran DavisProposedself-stated1:28:37 · ≈ 10:28 AM

thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:28:39 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Thea Atman followed by Arlo Bender Simon and then I believe Marvin Brown.

CommentThea AltmanProposedself-stated1:28:45 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Hi, my name's Thea Altman. I live in Santa Barbara and we're in a drought. We can't trade oil for water. We need water. We drink water. We're made of water like we totally depend on water. Oil yeah, we depend on it to get around in cars We can feed gas to our cars, but we can't drink gas or oil. We need to switch what's important. What's important is to be able to live, still live and breathe and it's beautiful here. It's not beautiful.

In Oildale, Taft. I mean, I spent some time living in the San Joaquin Valley. There's beautiful people there. There's great people there. It's nice in certain ways but it's polluted. It's very polluted where the oil companies are and I don't want that and I don' think anybody wants that really. We're all just here on the planet trying to survive. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:29:46 · ≈ 10:29 AM

Arlo Bender-Simon, then Marvin Brown and Jennifer Stengel.

CommentArlo Bender SimonProposedself-stated1:29:54 · ≈ 10:29 AM

Hello my name is Arlo Bender Simon and tomorrow I will be graduating from UCSB. For the past year and a half I have been employed by the campus's Center for Biodiversity and Ecological Restoration or CBER and am lucky enough to have spent most of that time working by the UCSB Lagoon. We are next door neighbors to the Goleta Sanitary District and UCSB is the top consumer of the reclaimed water produced at the facility.

Though not fit for humans to drink, there are numerous other uses for reclaimed water enough to make it a precious resource during these years of drought. At CBER we would like to irrigate all of our restoration sites with reclaimed water but are seriously lacking in funds and cannot install all the new pipes that this would require. I will conclude my comment with this quote from UCSBS recycling and water efficiency manager.

Since the early 90s, UCSB has steadily increased its use of recycled water as a means to augment potable water use. Potable water is drinkable water. Specifically in terms of irrigation, over 90% of the UCSB campus is irrigated with recycled water. Looking ahead, the university plans to introduce this water source to flush toilets and new buildings and hopefully utilize recycled water in the cooling tower infrastructure on campus.

With projected growth on the central coast and forecasted climate change, it is of the utmost importance that we utilize this resource wisely in order to alleviate the stress on our already dwindling potable water sources. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:31:15 · ≈ 10:31 AM

Thank you.

CommentMarvin BrownProposedself-stated1:31:16 · ≈ 10:31 AM

Marvin Brown, Jennifer Stengel and then Joe Comenda. Marlon Brown

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:31:23 · ≈ 10:31 AM

I live here and I salute you for your patience. I urge that you put this on the ballot as written and wanted to make three points quickly. Number one, for some reason the previous Sierra Club speaker did an about face several months ago they didn't oppose steam injection when the Santa Maria Energy application was being discussed. Now all of a sudden they do Don't know.

Second point, this certainly is an illegal taking and it will be the subject of litigation. The county will be sued and we'll burn a whole bunch of money. The lawyers, a few lawyers will be very happy. Nobody else will. Third point, counting all the indirect effects not just the direct losses but all the indirect effects, the county stands to lose something on the order of 20,000 jobs Of which, something on the order of several hundred are going to be teachers and county workers.

And many thousands of which will be minorities. The oil industry employs a high proportion of minority workers. I don't know what these folks have against minorities and teachers but anyway thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:32:55 · ≈ 10:32 AM

Time's up.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:32:57 · ≈ 10:32 AM

Jennifer Stengel? Joe Commenda, Jr. Seth Steiner.

CommentJennifer KeziahProposedself-stated1:33:08 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Is

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:33:09 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Seth Steiner out there? Hold on. No. Seth Steiner then Bill Palmaisano and Monica Jones.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:33:27 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Good morning. Seth Steiner, I'm a former environmental consultant with an MS in air and water pollution. The existing jobs at risk from more high intensity oil field techniques are in agriculture and tourism, more important to our county's economy than oil. Future job growth lies in the clean energy sector. Financial and economic figures put out by the oil industry are exaggerated and erroneous.

We can't afford the loss of limited water resources from fracking, and the other extreme measures in the countless millions of gallons. And the inevitable spills of toxic and carcinogenic waste that could contaminate our water supplies. Other jurisdictions may choose to allow these risky practices, but our county faces drought and must safeguard precious water for agriculture and for drinking.

Oil companies, the world's most profitable enterprises use their almost unlimited resources to buy influence to advance the short-term dwindling rewards of an industry increasingly polluting Our environment, the fossil fuel industry. We ask our representatives to act responsibly. Thank you.

CommentBill PalmisanoProposedself-stated1:35:10 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Thank you for the opportunity to talk to you. My name is Bill Palmisano, I would like the board to approve this ordinance and save the money on the election. The opponents often catch this as being a ban on oil Oil production in the county is not a ban on oil production in the county and I wish that they would stop purporting that. The board can make exceptions to this ordinance on a case by case basis As they see fit, that's a big plus for the oil industry.

There's very few jobs in the county in the oil industry. I haven't seen a realistic estimate of how many new jobs would come if this ordinance was defeated and A steam injection was used on a massive scale. I suspect we haven't heard that because there aren't going to be that many jobs, new jobs. A pristine environment is what attracts jobs especially in our county and that's what I hope the board votes for. Thank you.

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:36:37 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Monica Jones, be followed by Andrew Hoolick-Ritchie and then Fran Davis.

CommentMonica JonesProposedself-stated1:36:45 · ≈ 10:36 AM

My name is Monica Jones, chairman and members of the board. Fracking and cyclic steam injection in Santa Barbara County will ultimately as has been mentioned before produce less than one thousandth of the oil in the US. It will not make any material impact on U.S. security or U. S energy self-reliance. The oil produced in Santa Barbara will have no impact on global oil prices And the residents here will not benefit from lower gas costs because of the oil produced here. All the oil here is transported elsewhere to be refined and sold on the global market. What it will do is destroy our environment and contaminate Our water and air as it's been mentioned before, Kern County is struggling as is the local county with a lack of water because so much water has been allocated to funnel oil operations.

I've worked at the farmer's market in Santa Barbara for over 25 years which was the first year That I have heard of a farmer that I help leaving land fallow. He's plowed under fields that were already growing crops because his wells are dry, he has no water and this I think is a very serious situation. Colorado has put similar initiatives on the ballot because they're concerned about water and air quality. And I think that the same thing has happened elsewhere. We have seen the problems in North Dakota and in Canada, and we certainly don't want problems like that here. So I strongly urge you to adopt this initiative as it has been written. I think it is sound. Thank you so much.

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:38:35 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Our next speaker is Andrew Hoolick-Ritchie, to be followed by Fran Davis and then Jim Taylor.

CommentAndrew Hulick-RitchieProposedself-stated1:38:44 · ≈ 10:38 AM

My name is Andrew Hulick-Ritchie and I'm a resident of Lompoc. Thank you for this opportunity to speak in favor of this initiative. As a teacher, I'm not worried about the economic impact affecting my job here in the county based on the data I've seen and as a teacher and parent I always pay attention to national events given that I have an opportunity to teach about them Thank you.

Hydraulic fracturing, high intensive processes being there are the ones that are causing these problems. They are the cause of these problems. We're nearly totally dependent in the North County and especially in Lompoc, totally dependent on groundwater. And this groundwater would be very much at risk with these techniques being used. I want my students and my children to be able to trust the water they drink, and I want my grandchildren to have clean water for the foreseeable future.

The oil companies have completely lost the trust of the public on this issue, and we should put a stop to these very risky forms of fuel extraction in Santa Barbara County.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:40:14 · ≈ 10:40 AM

Thank you, your time's up. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:40:19 · ≈ 10:40 AM

Plan Davis. We're going to go with Jim Taylor and then Gene Reeves.

CommentFran DavisProposedself-stated1:40:26 · ≈ 10:40 AM

Good morning, my name is Fran Davis. We're in the midst of a water crisis with no sign of let up. Cyclic steam injection is a water hog. One currently approved project in Cat Canyon uses 83 barrels of fresh water per well each day. That precious water becomes a waste product, a contaminant that has to be stored underground and can leak into aquifers and stream beds.

ERG Resources wants to bring 300 shut down wells back into production in Cat Canyon. Half a dozen wineries thrive on the slopes of the canyon, drawing water from private wells. Will ERG and Greca and the Chinese investor Gold Leaf Jewelry Company compete for this groundwater? Will they be drawing water from the Sisquack River and the San Antonio Creek drainages?

We need to safeguard our water resources, using them for what brings the maximum benefit to the county and its residents. We need to plan for the economic future of this county, the continuing productivity of its hills and valleys, the beauty that draws new businesses and tourists from around the world. Our environment is our future. We can't afford to sell out this future to oil. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:41:41 · ≈ 10:41 AM

Jim Taylor. And then we're going to go with Jean Reeves and then Larry Bishop.

PresenterJim TaylorCarpinteria Valley Association and a volunteer with the Water GuardiansProposedself-stated1:41:48 · ≈ 10:41 AM

Hi, I'm Jim Taylor with the Carpinteria Valley Association and a volunteer with the Water Guardians. We can summarize all the comments in favor that you've heard today in one sentence. Extreme energy extraction endangers our environment and economy. Evidence abounds for profound negative consequences from steam injection, acid stimulation, and hydraulic fracturing on human health, groundwater, and air quality. Our water is far too precious a resource to squander.

Industry claims of low risk and great benefits have proven to be greatly exaggerated. We can expect that if this initiative did not exist, a few will prosper while Santa Barbara County as a whole will suffer from property values to quality of life. This black gold rush will be costly and it is we who will pay the price. Because our state and federal governments have failed us, a small player in the local economy is poised to exploit the heavy crude beneath our feet without regard to the health of the region both economically and environmentally. It is up to us and it is within the law to regulate land use for our own protection. We the people of Santa Barbara County would rather our region be known for high-tech, renewable energy, sweeping agricultural views, orchards, vineyards and sun drenched beaches than for tanker truck traffic jams and vistas of oil derricks.

We want our water to be pure and conserved for growing food and for future generations instead of poisoned and buried. We want our air to be clean and our children healthy. Extreme extraction is risky business and Santa Barbara County has much to lose. This initiative asks what future do we choose?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:43:23 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Jean Reeves, then Larry Bishop and then Jennifer Keziah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:43:31 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Thank you very much for letting me speak today, and I appreciate your service to our county. This initiative is to the best interest of our county. Cyclic steam injection has a lot of problems. We've already had leaks with it here. It's extremely water intensive. It contaminates water air. I own a home in Orcutt and I'm concerned about increased seismic activity from the increase in oil exploration and extraction in the Orcut area.

And we don't need this oil, we already have more oil than we can safely burn. And I'm also concerned about the elementary school south of Orcutt Boulevard. The children are too close to the soil extraction. I find it very disheartening when I'm driving around North County And on a road and I see agricultural fields, and then in the middle of them are oil rigs.

And then I go to the store to buy my produce, and I look to see where what I'm going to buy is from. And even though it says it's not sprayed, it's from Santa Maria. And I know that there's oil rigs among our agriculture fills and it makes me not want to buy it. Thank you very

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:45:02 · ≈ 10:45 AM

much, your time is

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:45:03 · ≈ 10:45 AM

up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:45:03 · ≈ 10:45 AM

Okay thank you so much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:45:05 · ≈ 10:45 AM

Larry Bishop to be followed by Jennifer Keziah and then Katie Davis

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:45:15 · ≈ 10:45 AM

Good morning. We used to clear cut forests, and we used to flush mercury into streams for gold extraction. We used to coat things with lead and asbestos and cover fields with DDT. We banned these practices because we saw the short term and long term danger of continuing These enhance production techniques. There are enough known hazards to enhanced oil production to restrict or ban specific practices.

I've worked in regulation in the Santa Maria oil fields long enough to see some good work and good equipment, but also to see shoddy well construction, shoddy maintenance of old and deteriorated equipment, and irresponsible extraction practices. Leading to significant water, air and soil pollution. In the field things don't work like you see in a slick Chevron infomercial.

Just because we can squeeze 99% of oil out of our soil doesn't mean we should. Santa Barbara County can be a leader again in responsible extraction and use of petroleum products. Please pass this common sense proposed ordinance today. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:46:33 · ≈ 10:46 AM

Jennifer Keziah followed by Katie Davis and then Catherine Mullin.

CommentJennifer KeziahProposedself-stated1:46:43 · ≈ 10:46 AM

Honorable Supervisors, my name is Jennifer Keziah and I live just outside of Los Alamos. I was born and raised in Lompoc and have spent most of my adult life in Santa Barbara County. My husband and I live on five acres on the Cat Canyon side of the freeway We are on well water, and I'm deeply concerned about the potential for contamination of our well water due to hydraulic fracturing and other high intensity extraction methods.

I'm concerned about the inevitable risks of accidents and spills. A recent energy wire analysis found that America's oil and gas industry was responsible for 7,662 spills, blowouts, and leaks in 2013. An average of 20 spills per day with a combined volume of more than 26 million gallons of oil, gas, hydraulic fracturing fluids and other substances when we've seen our share locally too.

There have been hundreds of spills and thousands of violations by Greca Energy over the past 15 years and it's not just them. ERG, while new to the area has already been cited many times. These are foreign companies coming here to extract oil and sell it on the global market. They don't have to live with the consequences of their failures. And we don't need to destroy our county to extract extra large every last drop of oil. What is at this time and historically a more dire local concern and more essential to our areas economic health and well being than oil is water.

Thank you.

CommentKatie DavisProposedself-stated1:48:11 · ≈ 10:48 AM

Katie Davis, Catherine Mullen and then Rebecca Klassen.

CommentKatie DavisProposedself-stated1:48:16 · ≈ 10:48 AM

Hello I'm Katie Davis and I also want to speak to the myth of these oil jobs actually spoke to the authors of the economic impact study done by UCSB and according to them the industry self-reported 336 direct jobs that's actually 0.1% of our county employment And it's easy to say we want all jobs, but do we want to create a few jobs that risk hundreds or thousands in industries that are far better for long-term economic health? Like the 11,000 people directly employed in the highest paying sector which is technology. I want to quote from academic research from the Journal of Town and City Management. A study of 26 counties in western US states that have based their economic development on the extraction of fossil fuels shows that these counties have not performed as well as similar counties without extraction industries.

Both their average annual growth in personal income and their employment growth were lower than their peer counties without extraction industries. They had less economic diversity, lower levels of educational attainment, more income inequality, less ability to attract investment. The extraction counties do not extract as many tourism dollars as counties without extraction industries and population loss may include the displacement of residents who do not want to live in industrialized landscapes. In other words, this place would be the worst possible place to double down on risky oil production because we rely on those other industries. We do not have to choose between our environment and our economy. Both would be far better with this initiative in place.

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:49:56 · ≈ 10:49 AM

Catherine Mullen to be followed by Rebecca Classen and then Roy Reed.

CommentKate MullenProposedself-stated1:50:04 · ≈ 10:50 AM

Hi, my name is Kate Mullen. I'm from Santa Barbara. I am really concerned about oil drilling waste water. All of these enhanced extraction techniques consume a lot of water and when they're done it's permanently polluted with radioactive minerals, hydrocarbons and heavy metals. Cyclic steam injection and acidizing techniques then add things like acid and hundreds of other industrial chemicals The oil industry calls it brine, they won't tell us what's in it. But we know it's a toxic brew and we don't know how to get rid of it.

In 2011, California oil and gas drilling has produced over 100 trillion gallons of this stuff. It's virtually impossible to remove these chemicals and this water is permanently polluted. Where do we put it? Well in Kern County companies like Chevron and Aira have been pumping billions gallons of brine into hundreds of online evaporation pits. Many next to farmer's fields close to the California aqueduct. This liquid has leached into farmers' groundwater supplies, or we could pump it into a hole in the ground and leave it there forever?

This is what Veneco has done next to the Sandpiper Golf Club and which is next to our coast. This stuff can and does migrate along fissures in fault well casings, potentially into our groundwater or to the surface. In addition documented accidental and intentional spills release this toxic cocktail into our soils rivers and oceans.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:51:36 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Your

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:51:36 · ≈ 10:51 AM

time's up thank you

CommentKate MullenProposedself-stated1:51:36 · ≈ 10:51 AM

very much. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:51:38 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Rebecca Klassen to be followed by Roy Reed and then Ed Hazard

CommentRebecca ClawsonProposedself-stated1:51:44 · ≈ 10:51 AM

Hi, my name is Rebecca Clawson. I wanted to start by acknowledging that many many people got up very early this morning to be here Please stand if you are supportive of this initiative to ban high-intensity oil operations Thank You

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:51:58 · ≈ 10:51 AM

The people outside are already standing.

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CommentRebecca ClawsonProposedself-stated1:52:02 · ≈ 10:52 AM

So I am shocked by the number of new wells outlined in the staff report. It is clear that a profound shift is taking place in oil production in Santa Barbara County. We are going from mostly conventional drilling to a boom using risky water intensive and emissions intensive techniques that put our water air health and property values and economy at risk. The county report mistakenly interprets the initiative as applying to well maintenance And so mistakenly concludes that all current active wells use enhanced recovery. This is incorrect and an unfortunate distraction from the real issue at hand. According to Dogger well records, 82% of current active wells in the county are conventional and do not use enhanced recovery.

Out of the more than 1,000 wells currently active only 238 are steam injection wells. According to the impact report there are approved permits and expected applications for 804 additional new steam injection wells. That is a staggering three fold increase in unconventional oil production in just one year. And that is just the beginning of a boom that this well crafted initiative is intended to head off.

By voting this initiative into law, we will be positioning Santa Barbara County for a brighter more prosperous future. Thank you.

CommentRoy ReedProposedself-stated1:53:26 · ≈ 10:53 AM

Good morning, my name is Roy Reed. I'm a member of the National Association of Royalty Owners. My family also has two large holdings in this county which have had oil production taking place for well over 75 years. One thing I would like to make as royalty owners most of us are also involved in ranching or farming either directly or indirectly we rent the land so stewardship of our land and maintenance of water quality is important to all of us One point I'd like to make is that on our properties, that oil has been produced for well over 75 years. And for a great many of those years it has used enhanced techniques like steam injection and acidizing that have been used very safely and reliably to remove the oil. Santa Barbara County has the greatest amount of regulations and careful monitoring of any oil production area in the world.

And I think we have a pretty good safety record here. At present though, we're faced with this initiative which I feel is somewhat misbranded and mislabeled in that it uses fracking which county staff has explained. It's not conducted here nor is it proposed yet this proposal uses fracking as a Trojan horse to enter the gates and really unleash its real agenda which is to prohibit again those safe practices of acidizing and steaming. Also, they're dealing with oil maintenance techniques like water injection that were previously unmentioned trying to basically reform the initiative as we speak. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:55:03 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Ed Hazard? To be followed by Marika Davidek and then Wayne

PresenterEd HazardCalifornia chapterProposedself-stated1:55:07 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Millinger. Thank you my name is Ed Hazard. My family and I are Santa Barbara County mineral owners And I'm president of the California chapter, the National Association of Royalty Owners. NARO represents the interests about 8 1⁄2 million private citizens who own the minerals in the United States. There's over half a million here in California. This county has several thousand mineral and royalty owners. My family are among them.

These well-established, time tested proven safe technologies that you're considering banning I think you need to take this proposal and put it on the ballot In order for to make good policy decisions, good legislation, good law you need to consider all stakeholders the concerns and interests of all stakeholders. I don't believe that the rights and concerns in interest of the royalty owners of this county have been taken adequately into consideration over the next few months perhaps they will.

This ordinance will have a devastating effect on my family and on thousands like us. The majority of our members are senior citizens, the majority of those are women. And they rely on their royalty payments to pay their bills and to make ends meet. More production in this county, which I would applaud. It can be done safely and I'm very proud of the producers in this county and how they produce oil in an environmentally friendly manner.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:56:42 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Your time's up. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:56:44 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Marika Davidek to be followed by Wayne Millinger and then Randy Wade.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:56:52 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Morning

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:56:52 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Chair

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:56:53 · ≈ 10:56 AM

and Board and my fellow brothers and sisters. I am 85 years old. I'm a fifth generation Santa Barbara. I care about my children, all the people I've taught including young first graders and my background is science, geology and physics. And for all the things that I have studied and researched What the oil companies are telling you is smoke. You have to understand that there is a science and the science has proven that money speaks louder than words, yes? But science has proven that this is harmful to the health, the welfare and human beings and all things on Earth, plants, animals, Agriculture, most of all our water and our air.

So choose. There are people that have very, very high invested To make this tracking and the whole process succeed.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:58:25 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Ma'am, I hate to interrupt

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:58:26 · ≈ 10:58 AM

you- But we can't. So I thank you for helping me express my opinion. Thank you. But please consider it. Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:58:34 · ≈ 10:58 AM

you. Okay. By the way, you look great. Thanks for being here.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction1:58:41 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Wayne Millinger, to be followed by Randy Wade and then Margaret Beebe.

CommentWayne MellingerProposedself-stated1:58:45 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Honorable Board, my name is Wayne Mellinger. Today you have a chance to make history. Years from now when your grandchildren ask you grandma, grandpa what did you do when the oil companies came to Santa Barbara and tried to ruin our environment? How will you answer them? Will you tell them that you showed brave leadership to protect our fragile environment? Will you tell them that you spoke truth to power and told the oil companies that their extraction techniques are not safe? Will you tell them that you signed environmental Legislation to protect their lives.

Santa Barbara is dependent upon tourism and agriculture for its economic existence. Fracking and other enhanced oil extraction techniques gravely threaten these. Please outlaw these, seize this moment to make history. In 1969, after the great oil spill in Santa Barbara, the modern environmental movement was born and key legislation was passed. Today we again have the chance to make history. Please ban high intensity oil extraction techniques. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:00:21 · ≈ 11:00 AM

Good morning. Randy Wade, long time organic farmer from Santa Barbara. I guess I became an environmentalist the day the foreman barked at me get down to that slough and keep that damn oil off the beach! I was a 19 year old rouse about with a vacuum truck it sounded like fun to me. At the time all of Union Oil's waste water from the Santa Maria Valley ultimately ended up in the Santa Maria River mouth there In what once was a pristine actuary lay an oil slick floating on about two acres of water. Seabirds and fish belly up, deer and coyote bones floating in the oily scum.

I sucked up as much as I could from the banks of the truck. The rest was left to wash to sea. The heavy crude in my truck was then heated and sprayed on the majestic Guadalupe dunes. Big oil polluted then, and has continued a history of poisoning the planet to this very day." The Supreme Court says big oil are people. These are not people, they're soulless with no moral compass who are beholden to their stockholders and the figures on Big Oil's statement.

To you oil workers, the reason you don't have a job in clean energy is because Ronald Reagan thought it was a good idea to take the solar panels off the White House and say yes to big oil in 1980. 1980 that's 30 years of little research and development in clean energy. Sir? Your time's up thank you very much. Next speaker, Mark. I'd

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:02:00 · ≈ 11:02 AM

love to hear more but we're keeping everybody to a minute and a half.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:02:03 · ≈ 11:02 AM

One more thing. No, no more things. We need decision makers. The old

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:02:07 · ≈ 11:02 AM

60-adage applies here! No. We're gonna break on that note so we're going to take 10 minutes and just so folks know when you're taking that you're taking that away from somebody else so thank you

PresenterJim TaylorCarpinteria Valley Association and a volunteer with the Water GuardiansProposedself-stated2:02:39 · ≈ 11:02 AM

Right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:03:04 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Yeah. Mhm.

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:13:30 · ≈ 11:13 AM

Everybody could please take their seats. We're about ready to get started again, thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:13:40 · ≈ 11:13 AM

Where's our? I don't have a gavel.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:13:54 · ≈ 11:13 AM

If everybody could please limit your conversations now and take your seats, thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:14:17 · ≈ 11:14 AM

I got a tee time at 1130, so rock and roll.

PresenterGary Powdler50 county business owners who have signed a letter to the Chamber of Commerce inProposedself-stated2:14:22 · ≈ 11:14 AM

Yeah

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:14:22 · ≈ 11:14 AM

right. I know. All right folks, let's get to your seats please. And yeah, let's use this thing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:15:03 · ≈ 11:15 AM

All

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:15:05 · ≈ 11:15 AM

right people, folks if we could get quiet in the room please? We're reconvening the meeting. Mr. Allen?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:15:23 · ≈ 11:15 AM

Our next speaker is Margaret Beebe, to be followed by Tess Blake. Actually I think Ms. Blake is not a little longer here so we're going to go with Gary Podler after Margaret Beebe.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:15:37 · ≈ 11:15 AM

Good morning.

CommentMargaret BeebeProposedself-stated2:15:38 · ≈ 11:15 AM

Good morning. I'm Margaret Beebe from Lompo.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:15:41 · ≈ 11:15 AM

You're going to need to get the microphone closer to you please.

CommentMargaret BeebeProposedself-stated2:15:44 · ≈ 11:15 AM

I am Margaret Beebe from Lompo. In April, the LA Times editorial board endorsed a moratorium on fracking in California. One of the main reasons they cited was the link to earthquakes. To date large scale fracking hasn't happened in active earthquake territory. We don't know what the effect would be in California with its network of active faults capable of Richter-scale rattling temblors.

Limited fracking has occurred for years in California, but generally in the remote area of Kern County. Santa Barbara County is not remote. I encourage you, the Board of Supervisors, not to take the risk of a catastrophic event. Thank you.

CommentJames DowneyProposedself-stated2:16:27 · ≈ 11:16 AM

Our

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:16:28 · ≈ 11:16 AM

next speaker is Gary Podlar, followed by Michael Chiokas and then John Hochlefner.

PresenterGary Powdler50 county business owners who have signed a letter to the Chamber of Commerce inProposedself-stated2:16:35 · ≈ 11:16 AM

Hello, I'm Gary Powdler and I'm representing 50 county business owners who have signed a letter to the Chamber of Commerce in support of the Healthy Air and Water Initiative to ban fracking. This initiative will head off future expansion of risky polluting high intensity extraction techniques that could negatively impact the tens of thousands of people employed in agriculture tourism and wine.

Water intensive production competes with agriculture for land and water, which will drive up water and food prices increasing the cost of doing business. It creates blight and smog that discourage tourism and technology. Political influence by the oil industry that is grossly disproportionate to the minimal employment and revenue it offers our county undermines clean energy research and development and straightforward measures to achieve energy efficiency. Studies find that oil operations have significant negative effects on area property values. It harms our county's image, critical for businesses and institutions that benefit from our area's reputation like colleges, universities, tourism, wine and real estate.

That's only one reason that Santa Cruz and Beverly Hills have already banned fracking. Too much reliance on oil has negative long-term economic impacts. Kern County has 30 times the oil production than Santa Barbara County has, yet their unemployment is higher than in Santa Maria and Lompoc, and wages and property values are lower than in Santa Barbara County as a whole. We have so many businesses that contribute to Santa Barbara's prosperity, and business people know that it is a big mistake to invest in an industry in decline. We urge you to enact this initiative.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:18:08 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:18:08 · ≈ 11:18 AM

you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:18:11 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Michael Chiokas will be followed by John Hochlefner then Dr. Lee Heller

PresenterMichael ChiacosCommunity Environmental CouncilProposedself-stated2:18:17 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Hello, my name is Michael Chiacos representing the Community Environmental Council. And our board of directors has researched and discussed this initiative extensively and has voted to endorse the measure. This isn't your granddaddy's oil where oil just came spurting up. This is some of the most carbon-intensive oil that's being drilled in the whole world. It uses massive amounts of natural gas to get this oil out of the ground and it's just getting dirtier and dirtier.

As has been stated many times before me, enhanced oil recovery is much more polluting and dangerous for our environment and people for many reasons. CC encourages you to adopt the initiative and if this is not possible we urge you to put it on the ballot so that the voters can decide. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:19:04 · ≈ 11:19 AM

John Hochliffner to be followed by Dr. Lee Heller to be followed by Vibiana Saavedra

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CommentJohn HilkleitnerProposedself-stated2:19:13 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Chairman Lavagnino and Board, I'm John Hilkleitner with Pacific Petroleum. And Pacific Petroleum employs 245 people. We're a local based company out of Santa Maria. I just want to let you folks know what the impact would be on the North County here. Pacific Petroleum employs well-paid drivers and labor. I just think it would be, you know, Wouldn't be good for the economy in this area if this initiative passed the way it is. I hope you folks go ahead and try to get some more information, better for the public and everything on the water that's being used. It's not all just drinking water, it's produced water. I hope you folks will put that on there. And if we do go to the vote, that way the public will be better informed. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:19:58 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Dr. Lee Heller to be followed by Viviana Saavedra and then Cameron Clark.

CommentLeigh Heller I'mProposedself-stated2:20:03 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Chairman Lavinino, members of the board my name is Leigh Heller I'm an 18-year resident of Santa Barbara County and an 11 year resident of Summerland and God help me the Montecito Water District And I spend an inordinate amount of time, as many of you know, working on local issues. Trying to remediate problems. Animal services is an area of interest of mine, as you know.

The Montecito Water District became an area of interest of mine when I got a notice from the district saying that my tap might run dry in July. So I'm not going to belabor the water point that other speakers have made today, except to tell you that water is the most precious resource we have. And the reason that I support this initiative is I would like to have potable usable water and not have it used in ways that cannot be reclaimed.

The other role that I play is in trying to find resources to remediate what's been going on at Summerland Beach. Summerland Beach was the first place that there was offshore oil production in the world. If you come walk there now, it's barely usable. I have to tell families to take their children out of the water because of the constant oil. I called the gas company one day because I thought I had a leak at my property. It was actually the fumes wafting up from Summerland Beach. So Summerland Beach is an example of what happens when industry makes promises about what it's doing with resource production, and then 80 years later we find out the consequences environmentally. I would like for once with this initiative to be on the other side of an issue, to be preventing a problem rather than trying to remediate it.

And by the way my assembly member Doss Williams says to tell you he supports it as well. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:21:31 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Our next speaker is Viviana Saavedra to be followed by Cameron Clark and then Joe Armendariz.

CommentViviana SaavedraProposedself-stated2:21:38 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Hello, good morning to everyone. My name is Viviana Saavedra and I live here in Santa Maria. You know, I spent my childhood in Oregon and there were two things that I was deathly afraid of. Forget the grizzly bears or the mountain lions, they're just animals. Flooding and wildfires terrified me as a kid. I never thought after moving to California, I'd be really concerned about water. And I am very concerned about it on a day-to-day basis. I look to make sure that I'm not wasting a drop of it if I can possibly help it.

I'm a parent and I have a daughter who lives here, a granddaughter and two great granddaughters who live in this area. I want water to be here for them at some point. The other thing I'm really concerned about is the companies who are coming to do this work, all right? They're not always the most ethically run companies. And we know about Greca, by the way they're a Chinese company. What are they doing to their own people in China when it comes to protecting the health and welfare of their people? But also, there's another company for example of Freeport McMorrin who is famous for the Grasberg Mine in Indonesia. It's the largest gold mine in the world. They've left a huge gaping hole in the earth from that mining operation. And The New York Times reports that that waste has been a billion tons of waste that's gone down river from that mining operation.

What consequences are they suffering? Well, we deserve better. We deserve not to have to make the choice. Our children's freedom from all this pollution is paramount.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:23:18 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:23:20 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Cameron Clark to be followed by Joe Armendariz and then Frank Smith.

CommentCameron ClarkProposedself-stated2:23:26 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Chair board my name is Cameron Clark and I'm very concerned about acidizing a little known technique which is ramping up dramatically in the Central Valley and which may happen here soon if it has not already. Wells are typically acidized with hydrochloric or hydrofluoric acid. The latter is a highly corrosive acid which dissolves nearly anything, including glass, steel, concrete and rock.

Acidizing a single well requires several hundred gallons of hydrofluoric acid. Some companies in California are believed to be using concentrations as high as 30%. At these levels, hydrofluoric acid could potentially eat through the steel walls of the well and enter the water table, contaminating water supplies. Hydrofluoric acid has been called the most dangerous chemical you've never heard of. It's on the Superfund list, it was found in the Syrian chemical weapons stash but Breaking Bad fans might remember hydrofluoric acid from season one when meth cooker Jesse drops a dead drug dealer in a bathtub and pours the chemical on him dissolving the body and the bathtub Onshore, acidizing remains almost totally unregulated and oil companies face few or no disclosure requirements.

Offshore there's evidence that Beneco has acidized its wells from Platform Holly. Beneco denies it insisting they were only cleaning their wellbores which does not require public disclosure. Hydrochloric acid is one of those chemicals you just don't mess with and certainly not near our homes, our families and our water supplies. A spill could be a catastrophe. The only sure way to protect against a public health nightmare is to ban acidizing outright as this initiative does. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:24:51 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Joe Armendariz, followed by Frank Smith and then David Holden

PresenterJoe ArmendarizSanta Barbara County Taxpayers AssociationProposedself-stated2:24:57 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Members of the board, I'm Joe Armendariz representing Santa Barbara County Taxpayers Association. This morning you have two bad options in front of you. You can either adopt this ordinance which is unacceptable or you can put it on the ballot which is problematic. I think that when you examine the sort of philosophical underpinnings of this issue, Two choices, what we're looking at in the future is either a future of scarcity or a future of abundance. My view is that this is the greatest time that there's ever been to be alive. Technology, innovation, human inventiveness has created literally an environmental and energy renaissance in the United States of America. The United States of America basically leads the rest of the world with respect to high efficiency petroleum operations and we are decades ahead of the competition.

What makes our system, our model of resource production so unique is the fact that we combine mineral rights which is a uniquely American idea and technology and production capacity from the energy. So this together has made the United States of America the LA Kings of the energy sector around the world. I reject, with all due respect to my friend Dennis and I teased him as I came in today.

The analysis is completely inadequate. The idea somehow that the best way to create new sectors is to destroy existing sectors, I think it's fallacious on its face. You don't increase economic mobility by tearing down employers. And that's what the proponents of this initiative are suggesting that you can achieve and that's completely erroneous. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:26:31 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Frank Smith, followed by David Holden and then Ian Cummings.

CommentFrank SmithProposedself-stated2:26:37 · ≈ 11:26 AM

I'm Frank Smith. I'm a degreed petroleum engineer. I earned my master's in petroleum engineer from USC. We in the oil industry care a lot about clean water just as everybody here does, and we go to great lengths to make sure that the water tables are protected. Under Title 40 of the Federal Code of Regulations, the federal government has jurisdiction over underground injection. The EPA gave the state of California jurisdiction and enforcement under the Clean Water Act And so this is implemented by the California Division of Oil and Gas and Geothermal Resources. We also comply with many government agencies.

The EPA conducted a study in 2008 on hydraulic fracking, and the results were that there were no bad impacts to water tables in the 60 years that hydraulic fracking has been used. Oil formations are laid down in ancient oceans and when we produce oil and gas out, we also get that produced water which we call brine. Now we have to put that water back in the ground or our oil fields will be shut in. I've read this initiative and basically it says no injection of any kind so that's why there is a big problem.

Now everybody here should consider their standard of living. All jobs, all industries in this county rely on energy which comes from oil and natural gas. And so I would leave you with that thought even the people that bicycle do you heat your homes? Do you heat your food? Where do you get your food? Crops that are grown. Think about energy. Everybody in the oil industry please stand up.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:28:15 · ≈ 11:28 AM

No clapping. Okay, I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. You've all been in this room all morning like we have. We don't clap, we don't boo, we don't hiss, okay? We keep our- Good

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:28:30 · ≈ 11:28 AM

afternoon. Respect

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:28:31 · ≈ 11:28 AM

for each other.

CommentDavid HoldenProposedself-stated2:28:32 · ≈ 11:28 AM

David Holden, Ian Cummings and Stan Rodin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:28:37 · ≈ 11:28 AM

David Holden. My wife Mickey and I have lived nearly 32 years on a 100 acre ranch in Aliso's Canyon Where we raised three children before retiring there with a herd of dairy goats and cattle. Our water comes from well that draws its water from the San Antonio Creek, which is dry on the surface but trickles year round underground. Upstream from us about seven miles is Zaka Oil Field currently operated by Underground Energy.

This drains down to the Pacific Ocean by the San Antonio Creek, same place where we get our water. Now our daughter has just had a first grandchild and she wants to move back to the ranch. I want to assure her that the ranch water will be just as good as it was when she grew up there If there's any problem up at the Zaca oil field using intensive extraction methods and stuff gets discharged, our drinking water will be endangered and the health of our grandchild will be too. As well as ag properties all the way down to Vandenberg.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:30:06 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Okay sir your time is up thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:30:08 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Ian Cummings to be followed by Stan Roden then Jerry Connor

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:30:15 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Good morning. Ian Cummings, 20-year resident of the San Ynez Valley. I just wanted to emphasize that the report you received today indicated an expected increase in the next year of almost 100% in the number of wells in Santa Barbara County and expressed my concern about that kind of growth in this industry regardless of the methods that are used without this ordinance without this initiative being passed Are we going to continue to see almost 100% increase year after year for the foreseeable future in oil production, oil extraction, oil wells in this county? And is that the future we want in this county. So I'm concerned about what the short term rate of increase suggests for the long-term future of this county and I support the ordinance and its effort to not ban Not even stop the production of oil, but limit the growth of the industry.

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:31:24 · ≈ 11:31 AM

Stan Roden, be followed by Jerry Connor and then Janet Blevins.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:31:29 · ≈ 11:31 AM

Good morning and thank you for your time as noted by the attorneys for the water guardians the impact analysis report contains significant misinformation and so I urge you to refrain from filing the report today and to give an opportunity for some of the misinformation to be corrected Number two, I want to frame this conversation in slightly different terms and ask you to take your supervisor hats off.

Put on your landowner hats and somebody comes to your place and says, I want a slant drill on your property there's a lot of money in it. There are some jobs involved and we think would be a terrific idea. And you say fine, I like money, I like jobs what happens? Well, we inject a lot of water, a tremendous amount of water Sometimes we use chemicals and we can't tell you what those chemicals are, but trust us. So then I say well I'm concerned about air quality, I'm concerned about water quality, I am on a well, I am concerned about my future and my kids' future and my grandchildren's future.

And at some point it dawns on you that you have to ask yourself the question of what is my duty? What is the standard of care? And that standard of care for you with whatever hat you want to wear, whether it's an individual or as a supervisor is the exercise ordinary care and prudence before making critical decisions. And that's exactly what the ban fracking healthy air initiative presents is an opportunity to ask really important questions.

And that's your duty. So thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:33:05 · ≈ 11:33 AM

you very much. Time's up. Thank

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:33:06 · ≈ 11:33 AM

you, Jerry Connor. Then Janet Blevins to be followed by Michelle Bednash.

CommentJerry ConnorProposedself-stated2:33:19 · ≈ 11:33 AM

Greetings, I'm Jerry Connor from Santa Maria. I am the Vice President for Northern Santa Barbara County Action Network. It's called SPCAN usually. I am also the CR Club Chairman for the North County part of the Los Padres chapter. Yes we are conservationists but we're reasonable and quite human. We support a reasonable and safe increase of already approved oil extraction. It is well to generate tax revenues, increase the volume of cash flow to well-paid workers in the local economy but the ban we support does not interfere with present oil or already approved future projects and the related employment incomes.

However favoring caution and restraint We'd like to see the proposed ordinance passed immediately if we have the moral courage to do so. And then of course it'll be put on the ballot otherwise, but I would like to see that kind of moral courage myself. I'm going to make another comment until my time is up. I want to understand the hazards due to our geology.

I refer to a book that I think all supervisors should look into, John McPhee's book Annals of the former world for a geologist's description of the rock strata under our feet on the central coast. They are not neatly horizontal so as to confine injected material, as you've often seen in oil company briefings but are instead torturously bent, folded- Mr. Conner your time is up I'm sorry. Okay thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:34:55 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Janet Blevins to be followed by Michelle Bedash then Jules Zimmer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:35:03 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Thank you for this time, thank you for this meeting. Would you like to help us ban fracking and cyclic steam injection in Santa Barbara County? You can help us by signing this petition. We gathered over 16,000 valid signatures In three weeks. We did that day after day after day for those three weeks some people call us crazy extremists and they do have something about that crazy part that makes a little bit of sense because who in her right mind would put on this same shirt for three weeks and then go approach perfect strangers And say help us, help your children, help save our water for future generations.

That's what we did. There are people who believe that the solution to pollution is dilution but that has been disproven now for decades. There are people who call me a charlatan but maybe he's going to pay me because I haven't made any money yet. But money isn't what it's about, it's about our water. It's about saving our water. How many of you have noticed a crack in the sidewalk?

Ever. Step on a crack, break your mother's back. Yet the oil companies want us to believe that our water is safe because they use concrete bores- Jan, your time's up. Concrete protection around the bore holes. Concrete cracks. Thank you!

2:36 – 2:4620 turns

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:36:47 · ≈ 11:36 AM

Our next speaker is Michelle Bednash, followed by Jules Zimmer and then Frank Irarose. Is Michelle in the

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:36:57 · ≈ 11:36 AM

house?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:36:59 · ≈ 11:36 AM

Okay, Jules Zimmer, Frank Irarose. Yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:37:04 · ≈ 11:37 AM

hello. Anyway what kind of risk takers are you? That's the theme. If your income and lifestyle is dependent upon the extraction and use of fossil fuels, you would probably accept the idea that climate change is not real and not an imminent threat If you are wrong, you would be making a Type 1 error. If on the other hand your income and lifestyle is not directly dependent on fossil fuel, you'd reject the statement that climate change is not real and not an imminent threat. If you are wrong, you'll be making a Type 2 error. I am convinced the science is right.

The consequences of a Type 1 error would be devastating to the globe and to us locally. On the other hand, the Type 2 error asks the question, is it worth the risk to our water quality, our property values on major industries to employ extreme and risky processes in order to increase production. Gearing up for World War II was an incredible undertaking, and later a five-year effort to land a man on the moon was met with jubilation. Both were defined as national emergencies.

By addressing the urgency of climate change while at the same time mitigating the real concerns of workers in the fossil fuel industry, we can meet the challenge we have met in the past. There's not a better place than Santa Barbara to step up and meet those wonderful and harsh challenges. I urge your support to speed the process in Santa Barbara so that we can become fossil free. A ban on fracking will be on the ballot I urge you to endorse that band in November. Respectfully, Jules Zimmer. Thank you so much.

CommentFrank IrosiProposedself-stated2:39:03 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Good morning board, thank you for your time. My name is Frank Irosi and I'm here to express my concerns about the risk of cyclic steam injection methods of oil extraction. It's a water and emissions intensive form of oil production in which heavy oil is steam heated up to 500 degrees to get it out of the ground. It's used in our diatomite ground layers, which are 800 to 1,000 feet below the surface here in Santa Barbara Diatomite is a fragile mineral. It's easily crushed, it's closest to our water table and our groundwater.

Continuous injection of steam into such fragile regions presents a very real threat to our very limited water supply. Use of cyclic steam ejection can cause disastrous results. We only have to look over to Kern County, where it has caused the ground to subside over wide areas and sheared off well casings. It's created sinkhole in which an oil worker lost his life.

And it caused a major volcanic type eruption in which softball-sized rocks were spewed 50 to 60 feet. In Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada Where steam injection is used more extensively, hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil has leaked into the lake. These types of leaks cannot be capped and it continued for over a year.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:40:33 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Sir your time's up thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:40:35 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Thank you Walter Taylor to be followed by Noreen Nims and then Ken Hugh

PresenterWalter TaylorStop Oil Development Area 9 and was a Water Guardian volunteerProposedself-stated2:40:48 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Honorable Supervisors, thank you for the opportunity to speak here today. My name is Walter Taylor and I represent Stop Oil Development Area 9 and was a Water Guardian volunteer. I live in Southwest Santa Maria and I have several friends that work in the oil industry. My new next door neighbor works in oil support services and moved into my neighborhood from out of state when I told him that in 2012 our city council permitted high intensity petroleum operations 2,000 feet upwind of our homes His shoulder slumped, his smile faded and his jaw dropped. My cousin's hand was blown in half up to his elbow while installing a defective sounding gun. Working in the oil patch is dangerous to life and health. Dangerous exists for everyone living around or downwind of known and documented dangers to our water supplies and our air quality.

This balanced initiative will hold the line on expansion Of high-intensity petroleum operations, the federal government now states that Marcellus Shale is 96% less than previously believed. The zoning 2,000 feet upwind of my home in Santa Maria permits hydraulic fracturing, cyclic steam injection and acidization with specific long term health impacts as detailed in Area 9's FEIR. The long-term economic impact on the county's oil industry should not outweigh everyone's natural rights to clean air and water. The Shale Field Stories book received on Wednesday by the board indicates what awaits us all unless we hold the line on high intensity petroleum operations.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:42:21 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Your time is up, thank you.

PresenterWalter TaylorStop Oil Development Area 9 and was a Water Guardian volunteerProposedself-stated2:42:23 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Thank you.

CommentNoreen NimsProposedself-stated2:42:23 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Noreen Nims, Ken Howell and then Peter Candy. Ken Huff?

CommentNoreen NimsProposedself-stated2:42:32 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Hello Board of Supervisors, I am Noreen Nims. Many of you have known me over the years as I've been an advocate for children and advocate for families. So that's what I'm gonna speak to today because what families, what children need without any kind of conditions on it is food, water, air. Energy helps us with all of that, but energy has different sides to it.

And renewable energy is absolutely something that our county could look into further. Germany at this point is 74% renewable energy so while I want to go back to the issue for families and children. We cannot compromise on water and air and food, and that needs to be taken into consideration above all things. Thank you very much

CommentKen HuffProposedself-stated2:43:29 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Ken Huff, Peter Candy and then Ian Marquart.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:43:35 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Thank you Ken Huff with the Santa Barbara County Action Network. Our board voted a couple of months ago to endorse this initiative they didn't address whether you ought to approve it now or put it on the ballot Earlier this week, you each received a copy of this letter from me. I don't know if you've had a chance to read it yet and enclosed was a copy of this booklet, Shaled Field Stories.

Although the testimonials that are in this booklet relate to oil and gas fracking in other states especially Pennsylvania, I think it's good background for officials that are considering approving or disapproving of any sort of enhanced extraction methods in any region. It gives information that's relevant to the local initiative because it details the personal testimonies of families that have been seriously impacted in four states by living near high-intensity petroleum operations.

Thank you for your time. Peter

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:44:35 · ≈ 11:44 AM

Candy, to be followed by Ian Marquart

PresenterPeter Candylaw firm of Hollister EmbraceProposedself-stated2:44:39 · ≈ 11:44 AM

and then Ron DeBlois. Good morning, my name is Peter Candy. I'm a long time resident of Santa Barbara County and work on land use and energy issues with the law firm of Hollister Embrace. Today I am not representing a specific client but rather here to offer some perspective and comments on the proposed ban both as a resident and experienced practitioner. First, in December of 2011 the Board of Supervisors unanimously adopted a fracking ordinance that requires an oil drilling and production plan for any project that intends to use hydraulic fracturing. The county has lived with oil and gas production throughout its history and has adapted to changes in technologies without any significant deterioration in the environment or quality of life.

The existing ordinance in conjunction with the county's other land use plans and policies ensure that the quality of our environment and the quality of life we enjoy in Santa Barbara remain protected. Second, with the passage of Senate Bill 4, DOGGR has comprehensive rules in place governing road stimulation treatments. These rules, which DOGGR continues to fine tune are the most aggressive in the nation for purposes of ensuring environmental protection, transparency and public disclosure.

There needs to be some analysis undertaken by your board as this process moves forward as to why the SB 4 regulations when implemented in conjunction with county's rules and regulations are somehow inadequate. My third point is under existing rules and regulations, this board, the planning commission and staff are very thorough with- Peter

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:46:16 · ≈ 11:46 AM

your time's up. Thanks a

PresenterPeter Candylaw firm of Hollister EmbraceProposedself-stated2:46:16 · ≈ 11:46 AM

lot.

CommentBrendan HuffmanProposed · by introduction2:46:18 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:46:18 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Ian Marquardt to be followed by Ron DeBlow and then Danny Martinez

2:46 – 2:5110 turns

CommentIan MarquardtProposedself-stated2:46:30 · ≈ 11:46 AM

My name is Ian Marquardt and I graduated from Cal Poly three years ago with a degree in mechanical engineering. I work in the oil and gas industry for Santa Maria Energy. First off, I just want to say re-injecting wastewater is not high intensity. Just want to get that off the chest. Secondly everyone who works in the oil and gas industry or his family please stand up Earlier today we counted and we had over 230 people here and over 30 people in Santa Barbara. We outrank the Water Guardians by over three to one, so don't let our lack of speakers or a lack of presence not show that there's major support for our industry and what we do here Lastly, I just want to say from listening to all these people out here that this is obviously a poorly written law if half the supporters of it are trying to rewrite it from where I stand.

That's all. Thank you. Thanks.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:47:30 · ≈ 11:47 AM

Our next speaker is Rhonda Bloudy. No clapping! Rhonda Bloudy followed by Danny Martinez and then Dave Smith

CommentRon DeBlowProposedself-stated2:47:40 · ≈ 11:47 AM

I'd like to thank the county supervisors for having this hearing. I'm here to talk about this initiative and the impact it will have on jobs. My name is Ron DeBlow, I'm the 37th Assembly District candidate. My whole focus has been on jobs and putting people back to work. We must balance our environment with jobs. We must look ahead to provide opportunities for everybody seeking work.

Passing this initiative, this moratorium, On oil production and fracking is an extreme environmental proposal. In 2014, I have the late, let me say it again, the most recent study we have, I have is from the University of Colorado which they have this movement to ban fracking. 2014, this survey was done. It shows an estimate of 68,000 jobs would be lost. 68,00 will be lost in five years due to this.

California produces three and a half times as much oil. That's 238,000 jobs we will lose in five years. We already have businesses, we have jobs leaving the state in record numbers. We know this, we hear it every day how many companies leave California? Santa Barbara County is a community that has always moved forward and has always been committed. To moving forward, I ask Santa Barbara County to look beyond itself. Because of this initiative, this moratorium passes it will cost job losses, future job losses throughout the state. Sir your time's up thank you very much. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:49:09 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Danny Martinez to be followed by Dave Smith. Is Danny Martinez out there? Then Dave Smith then we're going with Renee O'Neill and then Richard Russell

CommentDave SmithProposedself-stated2:49:27 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Thank you for having me. My name is Dave Smith, I'm a husband and father of two young daughters. I work here in Santa Maria and I'm only 32 years old so I have a long time until I get to retire. I had to get my education, I paid for that myself and I strongly oppose this ban. Thank you. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:49:51 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Renee O'Neill and then Richard Russell

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:49:57 · ≈ 11:49 AM

When your name's called, please come forward so that we don't have all this downtime.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:50:01 · ≈ 11:50 AM

And then following Richard Russell is Russ Wade

CommentRenee O'NeillProposedself-stated2:50:06 · ≈ 11:50 AM

Chair Lavinino, supervisors my name is Renee O'Neill. There's an ancient Chinese proverb the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Throughout industrial history we hear horrific stories about mountain top removal, strip mining, nuclear disasters, and oil spills. All of these have long term devastating effects on our home planet Earth.

We continue to do the same thing by using the most addictive, dirtiest, filthiest damaging fuels from hell. We have a moral responsibility to the future generations to develop and implement cleaner, greener resources. In 2010, the Department of the Interior approved the development of offshore wind farms in Massachusetts supplying clean energy and creating hundreds of thousands of jobs in America.

These farms must be located 23 miles off the coast, so they're not visible from land. We have enough solar energy in just 18% of the most barren desert land in the Southwest to provide 100% of the energy needs for this country. Why aren't we taking advantage of it? Why are we continuing to do the same thing over and over again by obtaining fuels for our energy needs from hell?

Rather than obtaining cheap, green, clean, safe and abundant fuels from heaven. I repeat the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same results. When are we going to stop this insanity?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:51:41 · ≈ 11:51 AM

Thank you. Richard Russell be followed by Russ Wade and then Mary Ellen Brooks.

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CommentRichard RussellProposedself-stated2:51:50 · ≈ 11:51 AM

Thank you Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Richard Russell. My family has owned and operated nearly 40,000 acres of rangeland and intensive farming cropland in the Quiama Valley east of here for 75 years. 65 of those years we have had oil wells ranging anywhere from 200 to 300 producing wells at a time between our fields and adjacent fields. All during this time, we have continued to farm. As a matter of fact as I stand here today there are 10,000 acres of carrots growing in the Quiama Valley They are not affected one iota by any of the oil operations, nor have they ever been. The water aquifer in the Quiama Valley as it is in most places is well above where any production goes on and has been stated all of the well water or all the water that's used that goes back into water recovery, water injection is wastewater that comes with the oil.

You might be surprised to know that for every 50 gallons of oil that are produced, there can be as much as 500 gallons of water. Wastewater that has to be dealt with somehow. It cannot be recleaned enough to irrigate with or for human consumption so it is pumped back in to force the existing oil out. And I've been told by several people that this ordinance would not affect that. The way I read it and five of my attorneys have read it, it would shut down water flooding in the Koyama and any place else. So if nothing else there needs to be a clarification of what this ordinance is really saying. Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:53:27 · ≈ 11:53 AM

you. Time's up.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:53:28 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Russ Wade Mary Ellen Brooks and then Lee Rosenberg

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed2:53:37 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Thank you. We're all owned by carbon, that is most unfortunate. The oil companies spend $440,000 a day protecting their interests in Washington and five grand a day in Sacramento. They do not want more than 15% of our gasoline diluted with ethanol. I've got a 2003 Honda that I ran on 70% ethanol, ran like a top. It's clean. We could be taking food waste and making fuel.

We've gotta realize the carbon economy is very damaging to the very things that sustain us, earth, air and water. And it's wonderful that we're having this debate, and we've got lots of points of view. And we need to address the issue of the carbon economy and how badly it's affecting the health of future generations. Thank you very much. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:54:47 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Mary Ellen Brooks to be followed by Lee Rosenberg and then Glenn Battles.

PresenterMary Ellen BrooksCitizens Planning AssociationProposedself-stated2:54:52 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Yes, good morning. My name is Mary Ellen Brooks. I live in Vandenberg Village. I'm here today speaking on behalf of Citizens Planning Association. The CPA has been promoting responsible land use and environmental protection in Santa Barbara County since 1960. CPA was one of the first citizen organizations to become more active after the Santa Barbara oil spill in 1969. And we always support the full opportunity for public input when it comes to making policy decisions. CSPA supports putting this measure on the November ballot. The public needs the opportunity to weigh in on these high intensity extraction methods.

In just the recent months, a new oil company has come forward with a project that will go in the Lompoc Oil Field not too far from my home. What's happened, it's been a moving target and it's been decreased in size so much that it now can be approved on a director's level. And this keeps the public out of the permitting process. Only if these decisions are appealed right now according to the policy would there be some level environmental review and some opportunity for public input that puts the burden on the people not on the oil companies.

We appreciate that the staff report looks at property values of these operations. CPA would like to see more discussion on the possibility of chemical intrusion into our aquifers. The same project that I referred to above is proposing nine cyclic steaming wells right in through on the uplands aquifer.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:56:32 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Ma'am, your time's up. Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:56:34 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Lee Rosenberg followed by Glenn Battles and then Janice Battles.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:56:41 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Thank you and good morning. I'm no advocate of GHG in the atmosphere or poisons in the earth, however I am a rational person. I've given each of you a partial list of oil derivatives there are about 5,000 more that virtually support U.S. industrial and retail life. Do supporters believe these will suddenly disappear? That these and thousands more will go out of immediate use because of this draconian petition.

It will take 30 to 50 years for these products to disappear, for industry and consumers to give them up. Hydraulic fracturing, not done in Santa Barbara County. Steam injection and other forms of extracting oil are at least for the moment the path to independence from other more expensive and dangerous sources such as countries that are unstable and enemies of this country. I further suggest that supporters of this initiative put their energy ideas and fundraising into the support of research and entrepreneurial activity to find alternatives This world must accept the time this will take and get creative, not destructive. That's too easy. Start by dispensing with spandex motorcycle helmets personal lubricants aspirin water bottles I see a few heart valves shampoo sunglasses hair coloring gasoline for your car nail polish aspirin lipstick football Mr

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:58:14 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Rosenberg your times up

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:58:16 · ≈ 11:58 AM

and I'm not getting

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:58:16 · ≈ 11:58 AM

rid of spandex so

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:58:17 · ≈ 11:58 AM

forget

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:58:18 · ≈ 11:58 AM

it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:58:20 · ≈ 11:58 AM

I noticed you were so upright that- It's

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:58:22 · ≈ 11:58 AM

my girdle.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:58:23 · ≈ 11:58 AM

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GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction2:58:25 · ≈ 11:58 AM

you were there. Thank you very much. All right, thanks. Glenn Battles to be followed by Janice Battles and then William Glozian.

CommentGlenn BattlesProposedself-stated2:58:33 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Good morning. My name is Glenn Battles. Chairman Labanino, Supervisors Adam, Carbajal, Farr, and Wolfe. Technology is a wonderful thing. I don't know of any industry today that has not tried to improve on technology to produce the products they make, oil companies included. What is high-intensity petroleum operations as some folks call it? I would call it technological improvement in oil production.

In a 2,000 acre oil field 10 to 20 wells drilled today replaced the 200 wells that would have been drilled without the technology we have today. The oil industry has used steam for more than 50 years. Cyclic steaming is newer technology, no difference. To my knowledge, steam comes from boiling water and is used to purify water so there's no contamination there.

Water injection is not high intensity but re-injection of produced water from the same field it was produced from. Without oil and gas production It will be a loss of many jobs. Hancock College has developed the class for existing and future employees that want to work in the oil industry, but oil companies send their employees or future employees there to be trained in oil field operations and safety.

Isn't it great? We have a learning institution that sees the value in oil.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:00:05 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Mr. Battles your time is up. Thank you for your time. Thanks.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:00:08 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Janice Battles to be followed by William Glauger and then Zachary Brown

3:00 – 3:068 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed3:00:15 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Good morning Supervisor Lavanino and fellow supervisors. I urge you to vote to put this on the ballot. Much of what has been said here today is not true I'm a mineral owner, fifth generation Santa Marin who has the right to exercise my right to have oil explored on areas that I have an interest in. I don't own the surface on most of this property. Most of this property is out in the country, no homes nearby.

I've had my water tested. I'm downstream in the aquifer from the Los Alamos Valley. My water is just fine. Supervisor Lavinino on May 20th you held up a chart that showed How our air quality has improved over the last 25 years. That's wonderful, that's new technology and I urge you please vote to put this on the ballot, thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:01:34 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Thank you. William Glauger, be followed by Zachary Brown and then Colin Lostalot.

CommentWilliam GlogeProposedself-stated3:01:43 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Hi, my name is William Gloge. I live in Orkut. A lot of things said here today sound a lot like some of the conversations before leading up to the Great Recession. Phil Graham said if we'll just change the banking rules, we're going to have heaven here. He said there's good money to be made and a lot of jobs. He said just get rid of the old rules and let banks invest in Wall Street.

Our aquifers, our water aquifers are kind of like old bank rules. They help us in the hard times and they keep us out at bad times. We need to take a long term view and not the fast money view. I'm totally sympathetic with people that need jobs and are looking for jobs. and taxes. But we've got to take the long, long, long view especially the Board of Supervisors who's responsible for that kind of a view.

The lead up to the Great Recession did make a lot of jobs but they went away real fast. UC Santa Cruz scientists have told us for 10 years were going to have a severe drought in the West and especially California. They're now saying at the present it's gonna get worse It's climate change, it's climate change driven. And we need those aquifers and we need to protect them like we protect our retirement account.

So I just urge everybody to think in those terms, those long term views of things especially our government people. And if you're anti-something, I recently switched to being pro nuclear after giving it some study. Study everything and look at all the facts and don't just have fun enjoying a group. I mean there's more to life than that. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:03:22 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Zachary Brown followed by Colin Lustelot and then Mikkel Sigoin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed3:03:33 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Zachary Brown residents of Orkut for the past 22 years. I would like a moment to address my neighbors who have accused me of having no soul, who say that our energy comes from hell. Fancy words for those who reap the benefits of this hellish energy. I urge you Do not take the two evils of either kicking the can down to the voters because this is your responsibility or telling these fine men in the blue collar, not the blue shirt that their lives are forfeit at the altar of appealing to over emotional false and erroneous testimony.

Thank you for your time.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:04:35 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:04:46 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Chair and Supervisors for being so accommodating in allowing this discussion to happen today. I'm here in support of the Santa Barbara County Water Guardians and was one of the hundreds of volunteers that collected over 16,000 signatures that qualified this initiative for the ballot. I'm a fifth generation Santa Barbara and college student. I have a godmother who lives in Houston, Texas in a cancer pocket who has been diagnosed with leukemia after living there for a number of years.

And so this issue is it's if there's a certain way to it for me and I just would like to say that If our methods are the best in the world, why is she dying? There's precedence for initiatives like the one we are proposing. And a quick search will turn up this on the internet. On the county level and city levels, this is not an extreme initiative. It's very reasonable.

So I understand the board may not be prepared to adopt this initiative today. But I wanted to assure you that the hundreds of volunteers are prepared to win in November. Thank you for your time.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:06:03 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Mikhail Siguin, to be followed by Eve Southworth and then Andy Caldwell

3:06 – 3:129 turns

CommentMichael SeegwayProposedself-stated3:06:13 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Hi, my name is Michael Seegway. I'm the winemaker in a wine company and the owner just here to say that I am against the oil fracking in this county dealing as a in the wine industry we are Boy have a higher high use for water That I think has a water shortage in this county. We watched the lake go down and I also came from the water industry, and I think for me number one is to have our natural aquifers. If there's any bit of possibility of contamination, also the high water use that could possibly come from it, I'm deeply against. And I think that this nation's natural number one resource really in the end of everything is going to be clean water and focus for what I find that could be a short-term solution for energy, which I think the fracking is.

But I think that we also need to look at this in terms of a long term view and look towards other possibilities of energy also going forward to create a long term solution for what's I believe It could be something that comes and goes as we use up our natural resources. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:07:48 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Thank you very much.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:07:49 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Eve Southworth to be followed by Andy Caldwell, and then Nita Demayo

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:07:56 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Hello, my name is Eve. I'm a resident of Los Olivos and I just wanted to point out some other connections to the wine industry that this issue has. In France it was the Vintners that helped ban fracking In France, as they're seeing it as such a negative connection to their industry. And in South Korea, a release of hydrofluoric acid killed people, crops and vineyards in 2012. So there's precedent and support globally for banning fracking at high intensity methods in wine growing areas such as Santa Barbara County. Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:08:41 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Mr. Caldwell, to be followed by Anita Demayo and then Mike Brown.

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated3:08:46 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Chairman Lavinino, members of the board, I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. One of the big lies that's been spread today is this is just a local measure. It will only impact a few jobs and a little bit of our industry in oil supply. But the fact is this is part of a national campaign. And the people in this room would ban this industry completely and entirely from the United States due to their concern for climate change. Which would absolutely decimate our economy, our quality of life and relegate us to third world status.

We do ask you to put this on the ballot. We asked you to oppose this, as again we didn't take a position on Measure M but I know that many of your board members opposed Measure M because it bound the board. Well, this bounds the board on steroids and it also sets the county up for a takings lawsuit that these people unfortunately won't have to pay the bill, the taxpayers will. And I'm asking for California Public Records Act request right now for a County Council opinion On the threat to the county finances on takings lawsuits. I believe that you have a responsibility to disclose this as an impact associated with this measure. And finally, you can't replace oil and gas in manufacturing industry or even homes with solar wind solely. Everybody knows that they do not produce 24-7 and they need oil and gas backup.

Thank you.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:10:20 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Nita Demayo to be followed by Mike Brown and then Thomas Gibbons.

PresenterNetta DeMayoReturn to FreedomProposedself-stated3:10:25 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Thank you, Board of Supervisors for the opportunity today. I'm Netta DeMayo, I'm a ranch owner and president of Return to Freedom, a wild horse preservation and education organization in Lompoc. As we all know, we're in a drought. When my well gets low, I have to truck in water already at a considerable expense. Fracking and steam processes use tons of water and drives the price of water up as seen in other states.

A single oil well might use tens of thousands of gallons and up to millions of gallons of water. Schlumberger, a petroleum industry provider reports that wells can use a million gallons per frack and wells might be fracked 20 times. In the 80s, an average well in Kern County used about four barrels of water to produce one barrel of oil. Now it takes nine. As the oil gets harder to extract, the water-to-oil ratio gets higher and higher. In 2009, oil companies in the Western Water District used 83% of the district's allocation. Santa Barbara County cannot afford to pump 83% of our dwindling and precious water supply into the oil wells where it will be poisoned forever. I have participated as a consultant in feasibility studies for horse management facilities in areas of New Mexico and am currently working on a project on the Navajo reservation there.

Where the negative effects of fracking is clearly evidenced and tragic. Fracking carries extremely toxic carcinogens up to 100 miles, causing irreparable damage and wasting excessive amounts of precious water which is already scarce. Surely Californians especially those in Santa Barbara can lead the way to environmentally conscious and sustainable future. Mike

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:12:08 · ≈ 12:12 PM

Brown to be followed by Thomas Gibbons and then Laura Barnett who's our final speaker.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed3:12:17 · ≈ 12:12 PM

Mike Brown representing CoLab of San Luis Obispo County we represent hundreds of farms, ranches businesses and our board unanimously voted to oppose this ordinance unfortunately I guess you're gonna have to put it on the ballot In the bad choice, we would hope that this board would oppose the ordinance as individuals and fight it tooth and nail. A lot of our people in Sloan County live in the Nipomo area and are employed or in the derivative industries related to this.

A question is, is this ordinance, this ballot measure going to be voted on in just the unincorporated area or in the cities too? It is a land use plan and ordinance amendment that affects only the unincorporated area. So a question is how can residents of these incorporated cities Like Santa Barbara or Santa Maria vote on this ordinance which doesn't even affect them.

How how can that be done? I live in the unincorporated area in the Santa Ynez Valley and I don't get to vote on land use measures in the city of Solvang or the city of Santa Barbara so we think there's a problem here. Thank you Thomas Gibbons

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:13:51 · ≈ 12:13 PM

and then Laura Barnett

PresenterTom GibbonsstateProposedself-stated3:13:59 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Chair Lavinino, Supervisors, good afternoon. My name's Tom Gibbons. I always thought that the statutory regulatory authority for downhole work on oil wells rested with the state, with DOGGR. I don't even understand why this is before you myself. If you guys now regulate downhole work let me know. This measure, if passed, could alter the way you use acid on wells. There's more water wells acidized in Santa Barbara County than oil wells.

You folks as the Board of Supervisors for our county own and operate some injection wells west of Santa Maria. I know they get acidized on a regular basis. They used to be oil wells in the old days. Does this regulate? Will this affect you also As a board member on the Blockman Union School District, I see this is going to affect our little school out there.

Maybe you guys can figure out where we're going to make that shortfall up. And in our air, we're entertainment. We actually have Knox-exempt trucks in this area because everyone has done a good job of cleaning up the air as Supervisor Lavinino demonstrated. Injecting water into the ground that's produced is not a big deal. Remember, you guys do it too. Thank you very much. I'm finished!

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:15:36 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Yes. Gracias.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:15:39 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Our final speaker is Laura Barnett.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:15:41 · ≈ 12:15 PM

I will allow us all to clap for the final speaker. You made it.

CommentLaura BarnettProposedself-stated3:15:51 · ≈ 12:15 PM

I am honored to have the last word. My name is Laura Barnett, I'm a resident of Santa Barbara County and a mother of two children. The industry likes to pretend that these high-intensity techniques are old hat however there are significant risks to our water and our health if the practices move forward Here in Santa Barbara County, we know fracking has been attempted and there has been a recent increase in applications for steam injection wells with thousands of potential wells identified. There are significant risks. In 2011 oil companies in North Dakota reported more than 1,000 accidental releases of oil, waste water or other fluids. In Canada, the use of steam injection has caused massive and unstoppable underground leaks that have contaminated a lake and aquifer in the Cold Lake Field.

They are losing and we have lot more to lose here. Why? Because in North Dakota and Canada the fracking is taking place in communities with tiny populations and low GDP. Here in Santa Barbara County, we have a large population and a high GDP. It does not make sense to put our water and our health at risk. I strongly endorse this initiative. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:17:17 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Wow, okay. That's all of our clapping now. We've got that all out of our system and we'll bring it back to the board for deliberation. Are we ready to begin our deliberations? Who wants to begin? Lights popping up everywhere. Oh, Supervisor Adam! I don't like this little... This is nothing. Can't really see your light.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:17:47 · ≈ 12:17 PM

All right, well it's probably not going to come as a surprise to anybody that I'm gonna be opposing this ordinance. I don't think, we don't have any choice having just gone through one myself. We don't have any choice but to put it on the ballot. I would receive and file the report with any comments that, and I guess this is the, this would be a motion to receive and file the report with any comments board members would like to add within 14 days Place a proposed ordinance on the November ballot and allow supervisors to identify with an argument for or against if they so desire. And I would like to be on record as an author opposing the initiative.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:18:51 · ≈ 12:18 PM

All right, I will second that motion and then open it up for discussion. So we're obviously going to hear from everybody still so-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:18:57 · ≈ 12:18 PM

Chair, Chairman, and Supervisor Adam, I would recommend against the portion of the motion that would provide opportunity if I understood that correctly for supervisors to all five comments separately about this as part of the motion. I'm wondering if we could accomplish that goal a different way.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:19:19 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Excuse me, I will withdraw that portion of the motion and await suggestion from council. Because I know that some of my colleagues want to say something about that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:19:31 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Chair Lavenino and Supervisor Adam, my concern in this area is just to avoid anything that looks like a group communication on a matter within the subject matter jurisdiction of your board and also just springing forward from here. So I think another way to address that so that we would have finality today would be to receive and file the impact report with whatever comments board members want to make on the record today about their report.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:19:58 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Okay, Supervisor Wolfe.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:20:00 · ≈ 12:20 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair. First of all I want to thank everyone for being here it was It was great to hear from so many of you from all over the county. And some of you didn't know where you were from, but I think it's important to point out that the folks who spoke today really did represent the entire county. We heard from people from Lompoc, Santa Maria, Orcutt, Los Alamos, Alisos Canyon, Santa Barbara, San Ynez, Vandenberg Village and Los Olivos. And I know many others that I just didn't write down or you didn't mention.

So I appreciate the input. Before I get to the ordinance, though, I do want to talk about attachment A that is the report that Supervisor Adam is referencing and when I started looking through this in detail yesterday and that whole section on page two that actually has been mentioned here But certainly when I read it yesterday and read about well maintenance, alarms kind of went off and question marks because I thought that does not have anything to do with this ordinance. So one of my suggestions to make is that The second to the last paragraph on page two where it says no wells in Santa Barbara County, that paragraph just be eliminated from this.

The issue that I have with that report is what I had mentioned earlier, and that is it does not address negative impacts of a growing industry. And so as we were talking, I wrote something down and I'm not sure where it would go but I'm just going to throw this out there. And that is that this report acknowledges environmental and health impacts associated with the growth of this industry.

And I think it's a pretty straightforward. It doesn't go into a lot of detail and I believe it states the facts about About the environmental impacts and the reason I say that is because in our conservation element. There is a statement in there specifically on page 241 that talks about enhanced recovery techniques particularly steam injection And that such production using steam injection will have significant air quality implications. So I don't believe I'm just pulling this out of the air, our own documents talk about that.

I believe it's important that we add, and we know about the health impacts as well. Those have been further documented. So those would be my two changes if we're going to go ahead and make any changes to this document. Thank you Mr. Chair.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:23:14 · ≈ 12:23 PM

All right. I'm just trying to figure out how we're going to do this because obviously I disagree with some of those changes so do we just hear from everybody? And then we'll go back and try to mark this up or how is this going to work?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:23:25 · ≈ 12:23 PM

Chair Lavignino and Supervisors, the requirement of the elections code would be that the report was presented to you. The code is then silent on what you do with that report but I believe if there's going to be a lack of consensus on this and also for a reason I'll get to in a second it will probably be a cleaner record if you provided the direction of receiving the report Having individual supervisors state whatever disagreements they have, but not actually alter the report.

Then take one of the two actions of either adopting the ordinance unaltered or sending it to the voters unaltered. Okay, Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:24:10 · ≈ 12:24 PM

OK, so I'm just going to try make this easy. And and I do think we can alter the report. So I'm going to make a motion that we eliminate the paragraph that references the well maintenance.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:24:25 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Wait a minute. Let me get clarification again from council. I thought council just said we cannot alter the report?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:24:33 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Chair Lavanino and Supervisors, my recommendation would be against altering the report. However, the elections code does not prohibit that action.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:24:43 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Okay, so in other words we would be going against the advice of County Council to let's make this real clear. We'll be going against the advice of County Council to alter the report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:24:54 · ≈ 12:24 PM

Chair, I mean you know that's correct and I also just flagged that you have a motion and a seconded motion out right now however you want to deal with that. All right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:25:02 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:25:02 · ≈ 12:25 PM

has been made.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:25:03 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Mr. Chair, I need clarification on the motion because Supervisor Adam had made a longer motion and then it looked like it got Cut. So I think the motion as I understand it that's on the floor was just to receive and file and include any changes or amendments to this report, the impact report. But now we're being advised by council that making changes to the report is not necessarily a good idea although not impossible.

And so I guess my question is do we have to receive and file the report at all?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:25:42 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Chair Labanino and Supervisor for the short answer is you do not have an express requirement to receive and file the report. The action that was required today was for staff to present the report to you, and you may take no action on the report but you would need to take action on either adopting the ordinance unaltered yourself or sending it to the voters unaltered.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:26:05 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Okay because going back to my original question as to what's on the ballot and what's in the ballot pamphlet, this report is not a part of any of that anyway. That would just be a part of the record of the actions of the Board of Supervisors.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:26:18 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Chair Lavanino and Supervisor Farratt that's

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:26:19 · ≈ 12:26 PM

correct. Supervisor Adam had his light first then we'll go to Supervisor Kerbal.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:26:23 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Okay so let me restate this motion To receive and file the report. My contemplated comments being added within 14 days was intended to be interpreted as with in writing and then just adding it as an addendum to the report now is that was my That was my thought and then further placing the proposed ordinance on the November ballot. And then furthermore adding allowing supervisors to identify with an argument either for or against as they desire and to be authors as required in the law.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:27:15 · ≈ 12:27 PM

I'll second that with advice from council on that as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:27:19 · ≈ 12:27 PM

Chair Lavinino and Supervisor Adam, again my recommendation on the motion would be to not include the ability or the expectation of written comments coming back from board members in 14 days but rather to deal with the matter today at the notice to public hearing. Okay so I will again withdraw.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:27:41 · ≈ 12:27 PM

See you guys I'm really trying for ya.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:27:48 · ≈ 12:27 PM

Why don't we go with discussion first and then let's go back to making a motion so that we can figure out where everybody is at because I'm not sure. All right,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:27:55 · ≈ 12:27 PM

so the motion is off the table? Right. Let's just

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:27:56 · ≈ 12:27 PM

withdraw if you'll withdraw your motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:27:58 · ≈ 12:27 PM

I will withdraw

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:27:59 · ≈ 12:27 PM

my motion. OK, let's have discussion. And I also

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:28:01 · ≈ 12:28 PM

had a motion on the table that I will withdraw because we have another option which is to not accept the report.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:28:07 · ≈ 12:28 PM

OK.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:28:08 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Chair Labadineau could I just comment for a moment on- As

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:28:10 · ≈ 12:28 PM

long as you don't want to make a motion. We're OK. That's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:28:14 · ≈ 12:28 PM

If he did maybe it'd be simpler.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:28:16 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Yeah. All right, Mr. Gazzone? So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:28:19 · ≈ 12:28 PM

just in the event that there would be different arguments coming from different members of the board, the possibility is that the majority vote could identify an argument by a particular supervisor or one or more supervisors on behalf of the Board of Supervisors. But any member of the Board of Supervisors under election code 9162 has an independent ability to submit an argument for or against.

Okay,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:28:45 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Supervisor Carbone.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:28:46 · ≈ 12:28 PM

So any supervisor, irrespective of what action we take up here on their own merit and volition can submit an argument.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:28:55 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Chair Levin, you know Supervisor Carbajal? That is correct. I think he would be doing a service for the elections official if you were going to break it down with who is speaking on behalf of the board. And just identifying that because the election's official ultimately will have to go through a cascade of which arguments to attach to the ballot materials.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:29:15 · ≈ 12:29 PM

So, hypothetically there could be a motion to not have anybody represent the board. If that was one option.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:29:24 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Chair Labadino and Supervisor Kerbal, that's correct. The board may not must provide an argument in favor or against the ordinance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:29:32 · ≈ 12:29 PM

And in terms of the report we could file, we could vote to not receiving file. Can we add commentary as part of the motion on that too?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:29:44 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Excuse me, Chair Levine and Supervisor Carbajal. You could actively move not to receive and file the report or you could just be silent on that in which case the report would not be received and filed. And you can express either now or within a motion any individual supervisors' disagreement with any part of the report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:30:06 · ≈ 12:30 PM

And we could break this entire action into a number of motions. For example, one is just to, one could be just to adopt the ordinance. I mean, to order the proposed ordinance to be submitted without alteration to the voters as just one part of this whole action that can be taken. We could take each item one by one if we wanted

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:30:26 · ≈ 12:30 PM

to. Yes, that's correct. And to provide you with even another option we agendize action B of addressing arguments in favor or against although it would be efficient to do that here today the elections officials calendar for arguments provides that arguments may be submitted between July 14th and July 23rd so it's also possible if you could not agree on that item today to bring that back but it would be more efficient to take care of it today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:30:59 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Great thank you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:31:02 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Okay, but regardless of how the board, if the board decides to submit an official board position one way or the other individual board members may still sign a argument in favor or opposition.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:31:16 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Chair Lavanino and supervisor, excuse me, Chair Lavanino. That is correct and then my only caution in that area would be we like to not have three supervisors signing together talking outside the presence of this meeting of a matter within the subject matter jurisdiction of the board because of Brown Act concerns.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:31:33 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Okay, very good. All right, not seeing any other lights on I'm going to give my comment but go ahead

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:31:40 · ≈ 12:31 PM

first. Thank you Mr Chair so if just for the sake of the ballot so if each one of us separately and independently submits an argument all those will be included in the ballot?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:31:57 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Chair Lavendino and Supervisor Carbajal, I think that would be the solution that would cause the most trouble for the elections official in terms of figuring out who's going to have an argument on and having enough space for other people to have arguments. So I think one way to handle that would be if among five supervisors if there is a majority position to take an action today to authorize one or two supervisors to write and sign on behalf of the majority and then the other two supervisors could jointly Sign an argument going the other direction.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:32:38 · ≈ 12:32 PM

If we're being cautioned not to change the report, then I'm not going to be able to want to receive and file the report because Supervisor Wolf has already mentioned some things. I could pick it apart too and this is again no criticism of staff who realized that there was a very short period of time but You know, I mean the whole emphasis of the measure was to protect air and water. And so if we wanted to get into information that you know I think would be really relevant is to go back and look at the existing oil operations or what's proposed in some of those numbers And effect on air and water. So, and some of that is quantifiable from past environmental impact reports for various projects.

So I just think that the way it is, although I appreciate staff's good efforts, I don't think that it fully addresses the issue in a way that I would like. And so if we're not going to be able to work Then I'm not going to be able to receive and file it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:33:52 · ≈ 12:33 PM

Okay, Supervisor Adam

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:33:54 · ≈ 12:33 PM

then Supervisor Carball. Okay well I was just gonna try and split it up you have something else?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:34:00 · ≈ 12:34 PM

I was gonna say I was hoping that we could provide some comments And modify the report as well. I think staff Did a good attempt, but I think as was said when we were considering this item last time around. The reason on the previous measure, the reason we were able to put together a more comprehensive report was because we were lucky enough to have already hired a consultant.

Who was already doing comprehensive work on our deferred maintenance and it lent itself to having a more complete report. I think on this issue we didn't have that luxury, and I think the report as well intentioned and as it was attempted to be achieved by staff. I think that it left a lot more questions unanswered and And I think as a result of that, my hope was to attempt to modify the report. But in light of council's advice, I would feel more comfortable doing it as Supervisor Farr just stipulated. My inclination at first was to modify it but since we can't really do that effectively other than providing comment then I'd rather not accept the report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:35:29 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Chair Labadino and Supervisor Carbajal, the board will make whatever motions it wants here. But if that's the direction the board is going then a possible component of any motion would be to take no action on the report presented by staff under Elections Code 9111. Then move down next into either adopt or submit without alteration. Then move down next to discussion of argument and then just the final is the CEQA portion.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:35:59 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Okay, very good. I got a few comments and then it looks like we're getting close. We did sit through a lot of public comment today. And it's very heartening as an elected official to, even though this is a very controversial subject, to have the public's input on any subject. I mean there's not very many times when we come in here and we have overflow and you have these many different people from all walks of life.

It is very heartening. I have to say for me, if this was about fracking and I see the shirts no fracking. We've basically had a soft ban on fracking in Santa Barbara County since 2011. I voted for it and there's a process a company would have to go through that is a gauntlet that I'm pretty sure that most people realize. The fact that there's been zero applications over the last three years I think tells us that we put something in place that protects the public from fracking.

No wells have been fracked. The reality is, I had to park a half mile away from this place today because people still use cars. And I'm all for wind and solar and all renewables but it's not going away anytime in the near future. And I think it's really interesting that a lot of organizations always say think globally and act locally. The GHG impact for us not acting locally is we have to get it from somewhere else. And as long as we're still driving cars, we've got to get it from Iraq or Venezuela or Algeria or somewhere else and the GHG impact of that is two and a half to three times what if we accessed it locally.

I held up the chart last time, it's still here. Our air is much cleaner. I've heard of zero impacts from water. I heard a lot of scare. You know, I heard somebody say that the oil industry is trying to scare the voters with economics but I heard about earthquakes and cancer and poison water and flammable water and radioactivity. There's gonna be both sides or you know talk about things like that.

The impacts are real they're not made-up. It's easy to say Somebody else's job is superfluous. It's easy to say, well it's only a couple hundred of their jobs. Yeah, if you're one of the guys out there, it's pretty important to you. I'm sure if the ban was to ban environmental activist 501c3s, you guys would be all up in arms and they'd say, well it's only a couple hundred of you so it's no big deal.

The contractors alone, somebody said it was only 200 or 300 jobs. Mr. Hochleitner was up here saying Pacific Petroleum, I don't think we're counting the contractors, Pacific Petroleum employs 245 himself. I looked at just trying to do the math real quick and it wasn't my number one subject but I've had somebody actually take a look at this too. We say well it's not that much in property tax but once again it's all relative. You'd have to build, it was $1,500 million homes to balance out The $16 million that's coming to us in property tax.

I've been up here and I don't think we've approved two or three of those when we try to build them, so impact to the schools, $10 million goes to the schools. We heard about Blockman, so there are impacts. Put your thumb down all you want, but the fact is that education would be impacted. So I know there's a lot of time between now and November both sides are going to have their say.

I think just the fact that we can't agree on what should go into this report. And I'm going to defend Dennis a little bit when we tried to give him direction to do the report nobody wanted to say what we wanted in the report. I remember saying well we got to talk about economics. Let's shut that down. We don't want to talk about that, so we wanted a very basic bare bones report and now we want to change an ad and things I think are our best.

Method to get out of this is to simply follow supervisors or far as lead on this as far as not really receiving or filing and. I'll be working to do my part to see that this is defeated in November That's where I'm at. So Supervisor Farr, is that a motion from you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:40:26 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Well, Mr. Chair it can be but I'm not sure of the status of Supervisor Adams motion was that totally withdrawn?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:40:32 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Totally withdrawn.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:40:33 · ≈ 12:40 PM

Okay so maybe we better just break this down into real small components. So my motion is that the board take no action on the report according to Elections Code 9111. Is that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:40:50 · ≈ 12:40 PM

That is correct.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:40:54 · ≈ 12:40 PM

It for discussion I'd like to. I'm going to agree with this motion but I just want to state that I think your comments about Mr. Pisanich, I think he did do a good job the question that I brought up was Something that was troubling that was much more subjective That than what was necessary in that report and could have easily been eliminated so I don't think Making that change was significant, but I understand the legal implications But I just needed to say that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:41:33 · ≈ 12:41 PM

okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:41:34 · ≈ 12:41 PM

Supervisor Adam? Yeah, I just wanted to defend Dennis again. You know what he did was he made his best attempt at following the guidelines in what you study. He did the exact same thing with Measure M and answered all the questions that were in the guidelines And to his best of his ability within the time he had allotted and so you know I think, I think he made a good faith effort. You know maybe it's not perfect but it was a good faith effort and uh you know and we don't have to pass it. I don't think it's any slight to Dennis that we we don' t we don''t receive or file it All

PresenterJoe ArmendarizSanta Barbara County Taxpayers AssociationProposedself-stated3:42:20 · ≈ 12:42 PM

right,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:42:21 · ≈ 12:42 PM

very good. Salute. Supervisor Carbajal if you have the- I second it. You second it? Okay so let's do a roll call vote on each of these so that we can get this done.

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:42:30 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Mr. Carbajal? Aye. Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Farr? Aye Mr. Adam?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:42:35 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Aye

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:42:35 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Mr. Lavinino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:42:36 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Aye

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:42:36 · ≈ 12:42 PM

S5O?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:42:38 · ≈ 12:42 PM

So that was take no action. Do we need anything else? Yes, well yeah we do.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:42:48 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Chair Levin you know yes you still have left the two options of which you must pick one adopt the ordinance without alteration.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:42:56 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Kind of hoping we get away without that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:42:57 · ≈ 12:42 PM

one. Or submit it without alteration to the voters.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:43:01 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Okay is there a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:43:03 · ≈ 12:43 PM

So moved.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:43:05 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Sorry. Submit without alteration to the voters on November ballot. I'll second that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:43:18 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Mr. Allen, can you give us a roll call on that one?

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:43:21 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Mr. Carballo? Aye. Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Farr? Mr. Adam?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:43:25 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Aye

GuestKerbalProposed · by introduction3:43:26 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Mr. Lavinino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:43:27 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Aye 5-0 Passes unanimously Okay any more cleanup Mr. Gazzone?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:43:33 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Chair Lavinino yes you have the option today of Considering appointing members of the board to author, sign and submit on behalf of the board a direct argument in favor or against. And any possible rebuttal. Then finally we'll have just the CEQA portion as the fourth item.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:43:53 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Very good, so I know we're individually probably going to do different things. But as board directive, what do you want to do? Supervisor Carballo.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:44:03 · ≈ 12:44 PM

Thank you. Mr Chair if I was going to do one it would be in favor of the ordinance and the initiative. So being that I'm not ready to make that determination, A majority of this board taking a position against it. So That's kind of where I'm at, okay All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:44:29 · ≈ 12:44 PM

right well, I would like to be on record as Opposing it and so I want to be able to create the direct argument, and I don't think we have to do it as a board. We just have the prerogative. Can we let Joe Holland know that we're coming? I think

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:44:54 · ≈ 12:44 PM

he knows already. Well, it doesn't look like there's a consensus to be for or against as a board and everybody obviously can sign whatever direction that they want to go. Supervisor Carbajal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:45:09 · ≈ 12:45 PM

Thank you Mr Chair. To this point not made up my mind. I have been meeting with a lot of my constituents. Many who are here today and I'm giving serious consideration endorsing this initiative. I would like to just say a little something that expands on what you said, Supervisor Lavinio. I know you expressed yourself about the importance of this industry and While providing jobs and reasonable jobs, no doubt has also led towards people being very concerned about the impacts of this industry. Conventional or steam or other enhanced processes as we see.

And I think that we've had a number of packed rooms like this and I can remember one project that came before us. Is because a lot of that debate and a lot of the hyperbole that happened after that issue came before this board. And so, this is what happens as much as we don't like initiatives at times. We recently dealt with one initiative and now we're dealing with another initiative.

And folks are just very concerned about the valid impacts And like I said, as of today, I have not decided one way or the other. But I certainly understand the passion and the arguments and the reasoning that have led to where we're at today with this initiative. And I will be making a determination in the very, very near future. And I see a number of them smiling at me so I know we're going to continue to have meetings but Just all the work that has gone into, as I congratulated Mr. Adam when he was successful in getting all those signatures to bring even though I disagreed with his measure.

I want to congratulate the water guardians for your passion, for going out there and demonstrating that there's a huge interest By our residents in Santa Barbara County, in this issue and the impacts of this industry. And I think it's really important to understand that, so.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:47:46 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:47:48 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair. I just wanted to clarify something that you had mentioned and some of the speakers had talked about and that was the impact if this initiative is successful. the impact to To the schools and property values, and it's my understanding that Everything that is approved right now and the and the taxes that we are receiving will not decrease they will remain the same and in fact likely increase because of There is still that opportunity for conventional well Drilling so I think that notion of and I appreciate the teacher from Wampoag. I think he was from Wampoag who spoke to that and talked about you know kind of the balance of first of all, the monetary issue but also the Health and safety of our kids but when it does come to that monetary issue for our schools, I do think It's important to point out that there is going, with this initiative there will not be a reduction in property taxes because of this initiative.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:48:55 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Okay I think that that will be probably discussed in a courtroom somewhere because I feel that the industry does not feel that this does I guess they could stop. Chair Lavendino

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:49:11 · ≈ 12:49 PM

and Supervisor Wolf, I'll just remind you that one of the actions you already took of submitting this to the voters included a resolution that directs the auditor controller to provide the statement on revenues and expenditures. So you may be informed at least in part by that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:49:29 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Okay, very good. So it doesn't look like we're going to take a position as a board so the only other thing we need to deal with then is do I make a motion that we are not going to take a position as a board? So there won't be any action taken.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:49:42 · ≈ 12:49 PM

We don't need a motion on that, you're aware of the item and then the only other item I'd recommend is C determining under CEQA that this is not a project.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:49:51 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Moved on Item C but it's not a project. Moved and seconded all those in favor? Aye. None opposed? Thank you, I appreciate your patience today and everybody getting along with everybody else. We will adjourn. Our next meeting will be Tuesday, June 17th right back here at the Beto Rabin Government Center.