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And welcome to the June 14th, 2017 Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors budget hearings. Would you call the roll Mr. Allen?
Mr. Adam? Here. Mr. Labadino? Here! Mr. Williams? Here Ms. Wolfe? Here Mrs. Hartman? Here
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Now is the time on the agenda for the public to comment on matters that are not being discussed by the Board today. Do we have any speaker slips?
Madam Chair, we're going to go to Santa Maria for Mr. Caldwell.
Before you hit that clock I've got a procedural question. And I bring this up every year, you just mentioned this is for general
public comment for items not on the agenda but you don't have any other public comments scheduled on your agenda so in other
words. Mr. Caldwell we do indeed we will have a presentation from our staff and then we will have public comment after that.
Okay, because there's somebody else here to speak as well. Anyway I didn't see it on the agenda today but my general public comment today is going to be a repeat of what I asked the other day and that is for the JAWS chart. One of the biggest things going on with the Board of Supervisors is that you are overly dependent upon state and federal funds Today it was announced that the state of California is borrowing $6 billion to try to shore up its pension obligations.
The fact that they're borrowing it means that they don't have the means of paying for it right now. I did a show yesterday that demonstrated that CalSTRS and CalPERS Their rate increases are going to be going up about 50% to jurisdictions throughout the state in the next couple of years. What does that mean for you? What that means for you is there's gonna be even less money coming from the state, to pay for programs and the fact that you already know that your pension costs are going up and their pension costs are going up I want to lay out one extremely important principle for you right now, and this is where you need that JAWS chart.
I believe that any extra money that you pay into keeping the ship afloat this year from discretionary revenues Means you're going to have that much less money in the next three to five years for those same programs throughout your county budget. Some of the department goes, well, we have a structural deficit next year. We're going to need $1 million. That line's repeated throughout the document.
I believe it's entirely irresponsible for you to spend any quote unquote extra money this year Thinking that you're going to be able to patch it in a similar manner in the next three to five years. You know we have suggested for instance the Human Services Commission, that is a silo of programs why is that being untouched when your cutting money to all the other outside agencies?
What about the energy program? There's $2 million there. The Employees University, those three programs added up together is $4 million. I think you're going to wish you had that $4 million over the next couple of years. And again we ask that before you pull any triggers today, you have your staff come up with a JAWS chart and give you an idea How much what you do right now is going to multiply in a negative way down the road. Thank you.
Chair Hartman and members we had that late slip from Phil Hanson in Santa Maria Mr. Hanson
I'm sorry before we go to that Supervisor Adam had a comment
Well, I'm just wondering Mr. Frapoil you're kind of the keeper of the charts Is there any way we can get a JAWS chart?
Supervisor Pattern to the chair, I think there was that chart if I recommend or realize which one he's talking about. It was something we covered in both the gap report in March as well as your board's report in January so I think we can pull it up and have that. And it probably needs to be updated at this point. The problem with the chart is it assumed, it showed a ongoing gap of available resources from the general fund discretionary revenues versus where we saw expenses for our programs going into the future.
It assumed if you look in the out year and I think that was in the 2021 fiscal year, it showed a potential gap of over $40 million but that was cumulative And it assumed that the board did not take action to, you know, balance each year going forward. So obviously the budget before you is a balanced budget and so that automatically brings down the gap there in out here. So we have not updated that chart. It'd be difficult to pull and have that for today's hearings.
Well you know I think it's one of those clarifying things because it's kind of shocking and sometimes we need a little shock to make us think straight. And so I think in future budgets if you cannot just physically get it done this morning which doesn't sound like you can let's make sure that that's a component of every document we put forward from here on out.
Thank you. Supervisor Adam through the chair agreed what we will do in the fall is bring forward to the board or 5 year forecast and we'll have a better gap chart chart I do want to point out that Mister Frapple did say something in his opening remarks yesterday and I don't know if people caught it but it did say looking at our financial challenges ahead, the current forecast for 1819 based on information we have today is that a potential budget gap in excess of 20 million dollars
Yeah. And you know what I was thinking and didn't bother saying at the time was I hope that you know if we review the budget gap for this year it started out in December at 16 million and then in January it went to about 20 and in February if I'm recalling correctly it went to like 28 or something. And then in March it went 35 I think and then at some point it 39.5 and then it seems to have come back down off of that a little bit so it's a bit of a moving target but I'm hoping that we're not starting at 20 now and will be expanding each month from now on.
Chair Adam, Supervisor Adam through the chair. We'll again we'll provide a better gap chart as we go forward after we close this budget but I also want to say that as Mr. Frappel said the difference in the numbers was that we were looking at general fund contribution and then general fund departments and then looking at DSS altogether and that's why it grew so much
Well and the general fund is pretty important because that's the only thing we really have control over. Whatever the state decides they're going to give us or take away then you know we just have to live with that.
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Do we have another public comment in Santa Maria?
We did receive a slip from Mr. Hanson in Santa Maria if we could go to Santa Maria please.
Good morning, Chairman Adam and honorable members of the board. My name is Phil Hanson and I'm a commander with the Santa Maria Police Department. As luck would have it, I was also named yesterday as the acting chief of police with the pending retirement of Chief Ralph Martin. I realize that the issues surrounding the operation of the North County Jail have been a frequent item of conversation among this board, so I'd like to spare you the usual remarks in terms of population figures and numbers of arrests and transports and things like that. And instead just briefly appeal to your sense of what is reasonable and best in the best interest of the community at large.
Closure of the North County Jail represents much more than a simple inconvenience to our regional law enforcement agencies. It represents a substantial negative impact on the community members and the safety of the community. When officers are engaged in transporting prisoners to the main jail, they are out of their respective jurisdictions and unable to respond to calls for service and work in their respective jurisdictions for hours at a time.
Due to the already existing conditions and restrictions at the North County Jail last year Santa Maria police officers made over 700 trips to the South County Jail. And that's due to the fact that under current restrictions, the jail doesn't take female prisoners, doesn't take prisoners with medical issues and won't take combative suspects. So we're already under a substantial burden and frankly if the jail closes completely, that will make the situation untenable for us.
Therefore I'm respectfully asking that you consider continued funding for the operation of North County Jail and I thank you very much for your time and attention.
Thank you. That concludes general public
comment.
Madam Chair, I don't mean to interrupt but we have another speaker here that I don't know if this slip didn't go through?
I received a slip from Mr. Stilwell but it said budget so I assumed he wanted to speak after the update if you'd like to speak now that's fine
And Madam Chair I'd like to respond to that last speaker.
Okay Supervisor Adams.
Mr. Hanson I don't know if you're still in the room but congratulations on your appointment to police chief. You know, I just can't let this chance go by to correct this record. We keep getting people telling us that we are responsible for whether or not that jail is open and that just isn't the case. The sheriff has complete control over his budget and he can choose to stop doing something else and keep that jail open.
And you know if it gets made into a political football That's a choice that he's making. And you know I for one am funding that budget item so you know if he chooses not to spend his money in that way and he chooses to do other things instead then that's that's on him that's not on me
Well I thank you for your response sir and thank you for the congratulations. And while I understand completely, I know that the Sheriff can't do it without support from his Board of Supervisors but I just ask for your consideration and thank you again very much for your support.
Supervisor Williams?
I'll just indicate that there is also an established nine nine million dollar fund for pre hiring for the new North County Jail. That is accessible for the sheriff to cover that expense if necessary
so we have a final speaker from Santa Maria
Mr. Caldwell would you like to speak during public comment or after the presentation update Still
well. I'll speak now, thank you. So Madam Chair, members of the Board. Thank you for the opportunity to speak again my name is Jason Stillwell I'm with the City of Santa Maria and I'm here today to ask that the board continue to prioritize public safety funding with its limited general fund dollars. The reduction of the Foster Road Jail would impact half a dozen law enforcement agencies by pulling Thank you.
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Thank you. So now we're ready for staff presentation, CEO Miyasato and Mr. Fratwell.
Chair Hartman and board members so as you know today is the second day of our budget hearings. Mr. Fratwell's just going to do a few housekeeping items and then he's going to provide a few slides to remind us where we left off on Monday then we will hear an update from our assessor Joe Holland there's been any updates from Monday and then it will be time for your boards deliberation.
Thank you Madam Chair, members of the board. Just as a matter of housekeeping between Monday's hearings and today we have distributed for your boards information a number of responses to inquiries from your board those can be found in tab 2 of your binders And so I think that's really kind of the housekeeping for this morning. Let me just quickly though remind you kind of where we've been on our journey through yesterday, through Monday. We had budgetary materials, we went through a summary, talked about service level reductions provided your board with our recommended restorations and expansions, went through key general fund discretionary fund balances. We had an update from Mr. Holland with respect to property taxes And went through a number of department presentations.
So really as we focus here, we're winding down to your boards deliberations and recommended actions. Just quickly this is a slide all these are repeat slides that were in Monday's presentation so I won't go through each one but it really did in developing the recommended budget look at a balanced approach. Our recommendations restorations group based on a variety of factors as we outlined on Monday We continue to have financial challenges ahead as mentioned earlier this morning.
You know we do see and looking at the the potential budget gap next fiscal year. This is not just as a result of discretionary revenue growing under rates lower than expenses but it's also those expenses within traditionally non general fund departments as well as those who Receive their revenue from non general fund sources from fees or other sources continuing to see those not growing at the same pace as their expenses. So that's about a 20 million dollar gap in the minimum.
Obviously with the other presentation as we presented Monday, the other challenges we have in Northern Branch Jail, inmate mental health and patient costs technology maintenance salary and federal state budget uncertainty That chart hasn't changed, that's just there for reference today if that comes up. We had a discussion on Monday with respect to potential growth in our assumed, we assumed a 4.5% growth in the county's assessed valuation and we talked about both the potential 1.25% increase above that or 1%. We continue to believe based on information In discussion with the assessor who's here as well this morning and the audit controller that the 5.5 percent assumed growth in AV is the appropriate growth for use of developing and adopting today's budget.
That was a resulting allocation under 18 percent and it really gets us down to this chart here which is the crux of our conversation this morning With respect to your board's deliberation and allocation of remaining resources available. So this is updated to reflect and assumes a 5.5% property growth, just quickly walking through this you'll see there that increased our property tax revenues by 1.4 almost $1.5 million Decreased by the allocation according to policy for the 18 percent maintenance up to 60.
Continues our recommendation that we reclassify CalFresh monies from one time to ongoing it shows the availability of $181,000 in ongoing contingencies and 319,000 in One time contingencies, it shows there the $2 million increase because the shift in IHSS as a result of the Governor's May revise budget. And it reflects your board's actions that you took last month with respect to funding a full year of AOT or lower slot program. So that brings you down to total sources and you can see it in the far right column roughly three points seven million dollars. And then in the bottom section of this chart we show kind of recommended uses of that which if you look at the very bottom line then brings you to fairly balanced number of negative actually negative fifty five hundred dollars an ongoing and a positive 454 in one time.
So that's kind of the basis for our conversation this morning and with that I'd be happy to hear from our assessor.
Good morning Madam Chair members of the board. Not a whole lot of an update that current property tax increase as of just a few minutes ago was 5.64 which is down just a little bit from the 5.65 with that in mind I would concur with Mr. Frapp well that probably
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With that Madam Chair, I think that we'll go over recommended action after your board's deliberation. But we have Paul Comende from our staff is prepared and waiting with bated breath with respect to your boards Recommendations and desires on funding. I would ask a couple things, please. This is live so he's going to try to keep up with your board as you identify those priorities that you each have and he's gonna address if we can The top section of what we're referring to is attachment E, which the top section is respect to ongoing and in the bottom section of this spreadsheet down below is one time. So if at all possible, if board members could speak slowly enough to allow him to keep up with you that would be appreciated and will populate this chart and it will move from there.
Okay. Do any board members have questions of staff on the presentation they've seen today? We'll go out then one more time for public comment on this budget.
Chair Hartman, Members of the Board we're going to go back to Santa Maria for Mr. Caldwell and then back to Santa Barbara for Gabby Edwards.
Madam Chair. We're being, we're kind of being asked to comment on a blank slate right now. I mean you have the list but we don't know how many board members are going to vote for X Y or Z that we can comment on that. Do we have the comment period after you count to three on those items?
Mr. Caldwell generally what we do is we listen to public comment, we close public comment and come back to the board for deliberations that's how we will proceed today.
Well Madam Chair you know this is I've complained about this every year for a long time. How in the heck are we supposed to comment on your deliberation and your decision because right now it's up in the air you guys are going to be voting flipping coins and horse trading? What are we supposed to comment on? The fact that you have X number of proposals in front of you. I don't understand that process, I've never understood that process and it doesn't cost you any more time if you let us do it now versus later it's still the same three minutes
Supervisor Williams.
I would just defend this process in that it would be better for us to be informed by your priorities in the budget before we stake out territory than afterwards so you know it just seems to me more constructive for us to hear from the public beforehand so we might be able to incorporate some of those priorities into our budget deliberations.
All right, well I'll go with that Supervisor Williams and Chair Hartman. Thank you. I'm Andy Caldwell representing Colab. I believe that we have made our position known throughout the course of these proceedings namely people that are inferring that you're going through tough budget times are completely ignorant of the circumstances Your property tax revenues are high, the stock market is at an all-time high and you are still struggling mightily to balance your budget.
So what you have right now, you're operating in a disconnect from the greater financial reality in the financial world that the rest of United States is operating in. And you can't, there is no white knight coming to save you because the state of California is short a couple hundred billion dollars on the same things you're short on. The pensions and infrastructure.
And as your public works director said last year you went farther into the hole 30 million dollars for infrastructure I'd love for you to ask them how much farther will you go into the hole this year, next year and the following year? What are their projections? Will you be another $100 million in three years? How much farther into the hole are you going to go into pensions if when the market's at an all-time high, you're still not even meeting your 7% return on investment that you need.
We believe that it is time to start jettisoning all of the politically correct bandwagon programs such as climate change, university program and a lot of the other things you do on a day-to-day basis And I think you need to call 9-1-1 and get PCEC, Santa Maria Energy and Short Term Rentals back in front of you. And say, you know what? We made a colossal mistake. We made a $10 million mistake by shutting down your industries by tying conditions on you that you can't possibly meet. And we now know we need that revenue.
Santa Maria Energy, PCEC, short-term rentals. You might want to bring back the winery industry as well and start rethinking the decisions that you yourselves made that have got you into this predicament and I think you need to start... The big one is privatization. The only way you're going to be able to cut your losses is to privatize the staff because you cannot afford your pensions So our priority is public safety and public infrastructure, and let the chips fall where they may. Thank you.
Gabby Edwards?
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Good morning Madam Chair and Board I'm back. I was here Monday. I'm back because a couple of important things have happened that you may have heard about both the Carpinteria City Council and Santa Barbara City Council met on which night was it Monday night And deliberated on libraries and we're especially grateful for your even considering putting aside that extra money in addition to the 780 per capita. I have to say Supervisor Williams was masterful in twisting the arms of the Carp City Council who admitted that they walked into that meeting You know determined that they were not going to give us back the 15,000 extra which they had given us last year. And he was able to persuade them look the county is stepping up and we're asking you to step up We were also able to persuade them by saying, look yes we say that we have a crisis every year.
We admit that we do but we think we're in the transition year because the Board of Supervisors has agreed to hire a consultant and look at a better system, a better structure for administering our branch libraries and we are counting on that. We're not saying it's going to cost us any less but at least it will be transparent, it'll be collaborative You know, it's going to work better for us and for our cities.
Um, you probably know that downtown that here in town, one of the themes that came out of, of that city council meeting was that there are members of that council who wonder what's in it for them to administer the branches sort of took our breath away that that was the way they were putting it, but it made it pretty clear they don't want to be administering our branches anymore. And we don't want to be administered by them, and so it's a win-win. We have got to get out of this current structure. We may be in it for another year or two.
It is not just about money, and we're going to be looking to you for guidance in just getting through the next two years figuring out what's best for our libraries in a pretty contentious atmosphere. Thanks.
That concludes public comment.
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Okay we are bringing it back to the board to deliberate on the budget and Supervisor Wolf has had her light on patiently waiting so I guess you're first to go forward.
Okay well thank you Madam Chair and before I get started I want to thank my colleagues on the board for I think all of us working together in a collaborative way although I think as we move forward we are going to start seeing some differences. In our priorities and where we have expectations for our county. I gave Mr. Clement my attachment E, and as I go through my comments he can fill the different categories.
So let me just start off with my remarks and then my comments will then be incorporated into this attachment. After my first year on the board, my colleagues and I made an effort to ensure that the budget truly is the voice of the board and of all the residents of our districts. We had to make tough decisions we had to give and take But I always felt that at the end of the day, I could support the budget that was in front of me.
I never expect that I would or should get everything that I feel is necessary but as I reflected on my comments from the budget workshop this year wherein I said that we should take a balanced approach to both our human and physical infrastructure, I'm sad to say that this budget falls well short of that desire. It will have a devastating impact on our most vulnerable, particularly our children and elderly.
Extreme cuts to children's welfare, foster care workers and adult protective services will have a significant impact. The cuts to juvenile probation officers is incredibly unfortunate. I'm not making this up nor am I a fear monger. I am basing these comments on facts. I mentioned on Monday as well as the comments by Mr. Nielsen and Chief Taylor everything that was documented in our board inquiry forms and from meetings that were attended by the Juvenile Justice Coordinating Council The attachment E form, or allocation of discretionary funds identified at the time of the budget this year is very limited.
And yet it is our job to make some recommendations and when I say very limited given the information that we got today there's essentially no ongoing funds for us to be considering. And 454,000 one time. And as I look back over the years even when we were experiencing the Great Recession, we always had additional funds that were available for us to look at for discretionary purposes.
So my focus is the huge increase that we have of unallocated enhancement of our maintenance funding in a year that human infrastructure is being gravely reduced. That is tantamount to robbing human infrastructure to pay for capital infrastructure. To demand a 2 to 5 percent across the board cuts of all departments as the CEO did earlier this year and then move a substantial amount of money proportionately to maintenance than ever in my opinion is unconscionable.
The bottom line is we cannot take from our safety net and put all that money into asphalt and nails. I sponsored the Child Welfare Task Force with Supervisor Carbajal last year, and despite their recommendation, I did not advocate for additional funds as was requested. But what I heard from staff is that they stressed that caseload numbers would not be further increased or staffing decreased Yet, in this proposed budget they are.
We must restore those cuts. In a fair world all of those cuts would be restored and I am requesting that the cuts made to child welfare, foster care, adult protective services that were presented to us in April be restored. There is now more money going to those departments for maintenance that was anticipated during the special issue discussion in the April workshops. I would urge that they that those departments return to the board with more specific expenditure plans Now moving on to probation.
I believe that I'm the only board member who was here in 2009 in the midst of the recession when the probation department had to cut over 40 positions, 33 of them were sworn officers they were cut to the bone more cuts and following years as well they have never been returned to the capacity and yet they've continued to forge ahead and make adjustment just like many of our other safety departments But for probation to again be hit with significance now in my opinion is tragic. Cutting 14 positions to give $1.8 million back to the general fund are we now giving that money to maintenance and contingency or will we at least return Some of that money to help the most vulnerable at risk youth and restore only two positions as I am requesting to juvenile field supervision.
As my colleagues know, I have been one of two board liaisons to the Juvenile Justice Coordinating Council for my entire 10 plus years history as supervisor. Again, as I mentioned Monday but it bears repeating. Every couple of years we receive a report on juvenile crime and delinquency trends. Last week we received that update and we've seen an increase in the rate of violent offenses, the number of felony referrals, and the number of violations most significantly in Santa Maria and Santa Barbara offices.
Why in the world would we reduce the number of juvenile probation officers, especially after decimating that department during the recession? How convenient that we are building a beautiful jail in the North County yet we somehow can't afford to provide prevention and intervention services to keep these young people out of detention or eventually jail. Again I find this unconscionable.
I have also added increases to our per capita library funding. A modest amount increasing to $8.80 per capita which would be a little over $400,000 to go to all the libraries in our county based upon their per capita To use as a see fit. We did this last year is a one-time expenditure of $200,000 and I'm recommending this year that we allocate our one time funding of $400,000 to our libraries.
If someone asked their friends to borrow money and then they won the lottery, wouldn't we expect to pay back their friends before buying a car or painting their house? That's essentially what we are looking at here. We have asked our departments to make extensive cuts and yet instead of returning all of that money back to the departments which may not have been a reasonable expectation but to put the majority of those cuts into maintenance and capital is simply wrong.
So some of my priorities and principles, don't pull threads from the safety net otherwise it will disintegrate. The cuts should be made as far away from the bone as possible. And you know that was one of my budget principles when I served on the school board for 12 years. We had to make sure that the students and the teachers had the resources that they needed. That was our primary focus We can't just talk about prevention, intervention and protection of our most vulnerable without putting our money where our mouth is. There's too much at stake.
I believe that the drastic proposed cuts to DSS have hit every component of that net short of restoring all which of course for me would be the best outcome I have focused my request on those whose work is vital to the safety and well-being of the most vulnerable in our community, whether administrative support staff eligibility or emergency response. To say that this has been a moving target is an understatement between the materials for the workshop, the D pages, the new lists and restorations, new found money reduction of new found money makes us a very challenging year however I think that our CEO and Mr. Frapwell have guided us well in this at times ever changing budget year, but My recommendations which I think are very reasonable.
I hope my colleagues will take a good hard look at what I'm requesting. So with that Mr. Clement I would like on the ongoing that we add nine hundred thousand dollars from the Historic Baseline Maintenance Fund, $300,000 from Public Works and $600,000 from General Services. And I didn't make this request lightly because when I looked at past years even with these reductions we have still increased the maintenance funds as allocated in the maintenance 18% chart.
I should also state that this year also includes the $2.8 million for roads and I believe Mr. Frapple had mentioned in one of his slides that next year that amount will be significantly higher. In general services. Again the amount is would still be greater than it was last year and I'm pleased that the CEO is recommending that we allocate the $700,000 for the debt service and again this doesn't include the fund balances.
Mr. Fretwell just gave us that information on Let me just find that chart. In addition to what we have for the 18% deferred maintenance which I just spoke about, we have capital of $1.4 million with a balance of $700,000. We have roads of $2.2 million and deferred maintenance fund of $4 million. I think that especially with this 18% new policy, actually we are more than meeting that policy. Because as Mr. Frappel had indicated in that chart, we are ahead over $4 million from what the policy is recommending. So okay let me go back to the chart.
So I am adding $900,000 essentially for ongoing.
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Supervisor Wolf we have that reflected on the chart.
Okay good because I can't see
it.
Okay, I'm also going to accept all of the recommendations from our CEO that are listed on that top area right? And then Did you fill in the issues that I provided the juvenile probation officers to is 200 And fifty nine thousand adult protective services three point one three social workers. One hundred ninety thousand dollars seven sixty four foster care eligibility workers one point seven five for eighty four thousand dollars and child welfare program an additional four social workers for three hundred fifty one thousand three thirty three.
And I might also add that these with these numbers and positions and allocations it would ensure that we get federal and state monies. That would help to stabilize these programs so I didn't include that but we are getting state we would be getting state and federal money to supplement these programs Now if you go down to the one time, at this point I am…
Hold just one moment if you would. Did you prefer we go with the ongoing or do it all at once?
Okay thank you. So I am agreeing with recommendations from the CEO as noted, all of those which increases the compliance and permitting for Goleta Beach a million dollars for contingencies And the set aside for court security and the set aside for the IV foot patrol. And then my addition would be the county libraries increase per capita to $8.50 for a total of four hundred forty six thousand eight thirty nine.
And so and I'm not adding any one time funding other than what's listed here. So bottom line is, um, I'm taking the budget as presented an over $1 billion, $1 billion budget. And I'm repurposing or taking not even a million dollars out of our maintenance fund, which is, which will probably never be fully funded but we are spending so much money in that right now that I don't think $900,000 in order to fund these important positions is an unreasonable task. And I just want to say for social workers that you know, I'm really proud. I know Supervisor Lavagnino and Supervisor Adam and myself and I think our new supervisors will do the same. We've spent time with our social workers we've gone out and spent the day with them if not a day at half-day So we know the type of work that they do.
We know the type of clientele that they're dealing with, and we know the impact that it's having on children and families regardless of economic standing. And so and of course You know, I can go on again about the foster care expansion and the adult protective services. But honestly for $900,000 to ensure the safety of our most vulnerable, I think is a reasonable request. Thank you Madam Chair.
Supervisor Lavinino?
Thank you Madam Chair. I guess you know what's great about this country is that you can have two seemingly intelligent people just look at something and just have to totally divergent thought processes when you when you break down a budget. And I've also voted for every budget since I've been here and I guarantee you I never got what I wanted it was always trying to Trying to make it a little bit better than what it was to start with, the way I looked at it.
But what I would like to say today is welcome to the new normal. This is this is what we're going to be dealing with for awhile and It's not that revenues aren't increasing as Joe said but they're not gonna increase fast enough at the pace that our expenditures are increasing And I share your frustration Supervisor Wolf that this chart does not look like our previous budgets where we had a bunch of discretionary revenue to move around and put into where our priorities were.
But some of that has to do with the fact that we've tied our hands somewhat because this board set budget priorities. And one of them was, I mean if you look at this budget in North County Jail, we put another $9.1 million into that account. And there's a reason why boards for decades struggled with trying to figure out how to do this and how to fund in North County Jail because it's not easy. It would be a lot easier to just have a free-for-all and we fund everything that we would want to do, but we realized through many grand jury reports that is the right thing to do.
We also are taking over $8 million this year and putting into increased fire protection And beefing up an area in our county family that we have underfunded over the years. And so, that was another decision that we made with the fire transfer tax. So that's coming close to $20 million a year that we sucked out of this general fund because we made those decisions and they were the right decision.
And it just leaves us a little fewer discretionary dollars You know it's hard for a taxpayer right now and I kind of you know Andy stole my thunder a little bit but if you're sitting on the sideline as a taxpayer and you're saying. You guys had an above average property tax collection year. You increased our TOT and it's the highest it's ever been. TOT collections the highest it's ever been.
Unemployment numbers are probably record low in the county stock market hits a daily high Every day we wake up and we in this county for all the resources and the abundances that we have in this county somehow we've managed to get it to where we're laying off employees. And we're cutting essential services to those that are that are in the most need I look at that though and think most of this is self inflicted Yes the state and the feds have fallen short but we collectively, and I'm going to take responsibility as well.
What we've done on this board hasn't worked. I don't think anybody can argue with that. The decisions that we've made, policy decisions this board has made. This is not the CEO's responsibility or fault. Definitely not the budget director's fault or our department heads who we've asked to make substantial cuts. They're doing the best they can with the policies that we put forth and it's definitely not our employees' fault and I want to stand up a little bit for the employees because I know in the public sector, out in the public right now You know there's a tendency to blame the employee and it kind of reminds me of people that get upset with you know baseball players or basketball players and they're talking about how much money they make.
Somebody is paying them somebody somebody has made that decision to do that so they do a lot of great work and I think it rests here with us. I also want to say that I am not the type of person that wants to get rid of this social safety net. I've never been one to get up on this dais and pound the ideology of no government When I came to this board, I think I've changed over the seven years.
But I mean, I'm the chair of C3H. I have been involved in homeless issues. I know the good that we can do. I've been out in the alley doing the point-in-time count and met with somebody that really needs our services. You know I've seen and heard from the families that have come here and struggled with somebody in their family has mental illness. And trying our best to try to get those people out of the jail, and spent a lot of time working with veterans and trying to get them the services that they need. So I am absolutely not trying to pull the strings of this social safety net.
I know why that's there, and I'm going to do my best to try to keep it. I just have a completely different idea How that safety net gets manufactured. And I think when we're pulling the strings on that is when we are denying revenue and I know that drumbeat gets old but for me that's the reality that I live in, is that we, I've had to come some to the middle I've tried my best to be practical and responsible, but I think I've moved some to the middle to try to get a functional board.
And what I'm asking for is—and I know we have a couple of new members—is that I think there needs to be some movement on the other end as well. That we kind of have to get out of our ideologies and realize that we are really impacting some of those in our county that are the most needy. I really can't, in good conscience with a $20 million budget deficit facing us next year spend any additional one-time monies.
I mean ongoing dollars. You know whether the deficit was 30 or $35 million this year, a lot of this was fixed with a papering over of we had unfilled positions people really weren't walked there's not going to be as many people walked out the door as we thought there was going to be but This is not going to there's not gonna be any magic dust that gets spread on the budget and it's gonna get better next year. So to add additional spots, I just can't support that The other thing is I think roads is an easy target.
Yes, it is asphalt and its nails and hopefully it's not nails on the road but yes on the buildings. But you know it's such a small fraction of the budget and it has been so neglected for so long. Four percent goes into roads. So this giant behemoth of social services is really looking over the at the little David with a slingshot and saying you know it's not fair you guys are spending too much or your sling shots to get.
That's a that's a false argument. I really hope that we can all come together like I said, I take as much responsibility. I've been on this board for seven years and so I think together we all need to accept this That we have to deal with it and I hope that in the future we can you know maybe take a little bit more of a practical approach when revenues presented to us even if it doesn't meet our ideological best practice so.
I can't support any of the ongoing but what I would like to do is in the And on the one time there, you know in county libraries who's going to be anti-library right? But I mean we're getting to the point where I started doing the math and like man you could buy a hundred thousand Kindles. And everybody could have their own Kindle and you can pay for internet access for everybody in their own house at some point so I think 780 or where we are right now I'm gonna have to live with that.
My glasses here Obviously we need to set aside the money for Goleta Beach. I definitely support the increase to contingency, court security and instead of IV foot patrol would like that for me take that same amount put it towards the North County Jail. I'm sorry the Santa Maria jail. So that's where I'll be and I hope I'll be able to support a budget that we can all agree to because I really can't support taking any more money out of maintenance.
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Supervisor Williams.
Well I've been reflecting over the past couple days on the prioritization and on this debate between human capital and physical capital. And I just really after a lot of reflection come to the conclusion that this is truly a false choice And the reason is that we depend upon commerce, we depend upon employment. We depend upon these factors in order to have a social safety net.
And where capital is used for public transportation, for people commuting, for actual movement of goods then we neglect that and then we neglect the very revenue source that produces the money that we can use for our social safety net. And every year that goes by. The work that we don't do this year becomes more expensive next year and becomes even more expensive the year after that. And so to me not stepping up our commitment to infrastructure is essentially just borrowing against next year or the year after and after a while that becomes it just pattern of just borrowing at interest I want to start by saying thank you to the board of Supervisors for this opportunity.
If we are going to be able to do that then. We have to step up our commitment to infrastructure repair because otherwise we are incurring additional expenses on the future budgets I like a lot of your priorities Supervisor Wolf but I don't believe that in good conscience I could do that by taking that out of infrastructure funding. Asking us to really look at the slide 9 of the budget summary to be looking at where else, what else do we deprioritize in order to spend some of that money.
I've said this to you before, I really trust your judgment on probation. Slide 9 on the budget summary is possible adjustments to recommended budget with 5.5% property tax growth. You can stay on this slide for a second because I do want to say that what I've said to you privately before, which is I really trust your judgment on probation. You've really drilled deeply on that subject and if you tell me that we need $250,000 to keep some of these juveniles from re-offending and give them a chance I believe you because you drilled down on this subject and so we should figure out a way to fund that.
I also think that $84,000 for foster care is pretty understandable. The CWS and social workers I'd love to know staff's thoughts a little bit more on this. I wonder if we can take that much money but I would. Before I move back to slide 9 as I talked about, I want to ask a question about the set aside for court security so we already Decided to put 500,000 back in. This would put another 300,000 back in.
Is 500,000 cover half of the civil courts and all of the criminal courts? Or a third or what kind of proportion does that 500,00 cover?
Supervisor Williams to the chair. I see under Sheriff Malekian and maybe you can speak to that but as far as a budgeting issue the cut that the sheriff took at the one point two million dollars I believe for court security was just how much they're paying over their payment from their courts so it was their interpretation of what they're doing in services over what's required.
So when we chose the 500 and ongoing He can speak to what number that gets you to as far as how many, what level of service that is. But it was we just wanted, it was a number we had talked about earlier as we're preparing the budget to just allow the courts to have some comfort there would still be security after the sheriff looked at his staffing model.
Supervisor Williams to the chair. Over the last five years, the county has in effect subsidized court security to the tune of about $625,000 a year this year we still haven't we haven't finalized the numbers yet on where we're going to end up if in fact the board makes the decision to Set aside any amount of money over and above what the state provides it is our intention to then sit down with the courts And and develop a plan for utilizing that I think one of the one of the things that has confused this discussion A little bit is that we have tied dollars directly to FTS But but court staffing is dependent on On full-time deputies on great use of extra help and on a maximum amount of flexibility In terms of where things are so the public narrative about this has been that Well, the civil courts are simply not going to get staffed and that's not completely accurate We will simply need to sit down and figure out how do we utilize the funds that we are given?
well, I guess my judgment is that the If we have juvenile offenders reoffending, that is a greater infringement upon public safety than if we have to have bailiffs moving around from one court to another. And so my suggestion would be not to take the $259,000 out of infrastructure but to take that out of the set-aside The second set aside for court security, we already decided we were going to put $500,000 back in. Leave that alone but this $300,000 that was deemed optional in the CEO's recommendation
So just to clarify Supervisor Williams so that is taking on the one time amount you're saying that you would support funding juvenile probation officers or probation, Deputy Probation Office for Juvenile Services and not funding using the funds from The court set aside the 300,000. Okay thank you.
So that would almost wipe out the second court set aside and to me this is just a question of how many incidents we have in different areas of our public safety system and obviously are reoffending population is higher at risk than Even with the example given than a probate court for example. I would say that whatever else we do should not come out of capital but should come out of the second increase for contingencies and so it's just to me dependent on what this board's willingness is to have that slim down of how many of the positions that we could Deal with and I wonder if staff believes that the restoration of the CWS and social workers.
Would save more jobs or if we just had a set aside for collective for the reopener. With this bargaining unit. Has the potential of saving more jobs If we set aside some money for a reopener rather than just restored the positions because that way we go OK this is the money we have to use but this is going to have to be everybody does something. The bargaining unit does something and we do something and If that is successful, we would save more positions than if we just restored the positions automatically. I just wanted to know staff's reaction to that thought.
Supervisor Williams the chair I appreciate the way you're looking at it to look at how we could partner better with our unions. I think that would be difficult for us to do it this time because we don't know what we're going to get through bargaining and also that looking at some of things were looking out for bargaining it wouldn't as Mr. Daniel Nielsen had told us earlier It would have that large of an impact on saving that many jobs just because of the structure of his employees are mostly pepper employees so I don't think that we could rely on having another can rely on your budgeting and appropriating funds assuming that we are going to have some savings from our labor negotiations.
Thank you.
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Well I at least would consider the social workers in the CWS depending on whether people were willing to have that come from non-capital expenses. I guess though, I have a great agreement on the amount of money that you're proposing to put into libraries that is to me foundational Part of democracy is a library system. However, I do not think that this is what we talked about on Monday. I think we talked about on Monday that this money would go towards a fund to stop day closures and hourly closures of our libraries if we appoint it exclusively on the per capita basis then Goleta Library gets almost all the money And the libraries that are most threatened by the administrative fee increase will still close.
Once fully implemented, Carpinteria Library for example is facing more than $100,000 shortfall when their total budget is $400,000. That means two closures of two days. Solvang, the situation is similar I don't know their numbers quite as precisely but Solvang will definitely also have closures of days and so to me relying on staff to make the call where we allocate it whether it's Carpinteria, Solvange, Goleta When any of our libraries are threatened with a cut of hours then we should use that money for that to prevent that kind of hours. I think it's actually kind of weird how we library system which we all consider so And I think it's vital that it's the only social service that we say if a community has a higher population they get more money.
But yet we say that people who live in Santa Barbara should get more library services than the people who live in Carpinteria. That is a weird way to allocate what we all view as an essential public need, so what I'm suggesting is not that we retool the whole system but at least have a portion of the budget that is allocated on a service delivery basis That we are delivering an essential service and that we should do our best to provide that essential service.
Yes that's my.
Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair I just have a just a couple of questions just to clarify for Mr. Lavagnino So are you agreeing with the CEO recommendations for ongoing? I mean forget what I said.
Yeah, I'm looking at what's the CEO recommendation so OK so I am good with the first 2 and not the last to not not the bottom 2. I don't think those were in the original budget.
They were in
the
original budget workshop
right
they were talked about in the workshop
yeah now in my okay it my thought process is Those people probably are not going to make it through the second or third year. And so from my perspective I think we need to get ready. We need to be prepared for this new normal and I understand what you've said too that even if they're back for one year that's better than nothing but.
OK and then if I could just thank you Mr. Lavagnino and then if I could just comment on the library issue. Mr. Williams I hear what you're saying but I think to start portioning it out to service delivery models at this point will be cumbersome at best and I think it's best that we look at the entire library system North County and South County You know we tend to be focused on zone one but when I was on the Library Advisory Committee, I knew that there were issues in some of the North County libraries. Vandenberg, Guadalupe and I think if we start kind of muddying the waters here, we're going to get ourselves caught up in something that may basically eliminate what we're trying to do And that is at this point in budget is to allocate additional money to the libraries based on the funding formula and that way they will have additional funds.
Again, the consultant will be looking at different options but let's wait. That's all I suggest is let's wait. Let's get this money out to the libraries as soon as possible because any other type of model that we're going to be discussing is just going to delay the funds getting out to the libraries during this budget season. Thank you Madam Chair.
Supervisor Atom I think you are ready to go but I think Supervisor Williams had a comment directly to this.
I just think that's really wrong, in the meantime Carpentry will be open four days a week and Solvang may be open three days a week and your library which is open seven days a week will continue to be open seven days a week and that's good and I like that but it doesn't help anybody else You get 80 percent of the.
My library and it's actually not my library because I use different libraries but one of the reasons is because we pay a library tax to keep it open so that's always another option what I'm trying to do Mr. Williams is just be fair at this point and if we start and I don't know about who's going to close libraries and who's not. So let's let's not get into that right now.
All I'm suggesting if you let me finish is that we have staff, we have staff that staffs the Library Advisory Committee. They know these budgets, let them have the discretion to allocate these funds or we set it aside and we let them bring it to us when faced with Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors. I want to start by saying that we don't see any library in our system being threatened with a closure of hours or days and we can apportion it throughout the year. We don't have to make all of the decisions now but I trust staff to bring that to us if we set aside the necessary funds to do so. All I'm saying is That that if they get that higher proportion setting aside this amount of money doesn't solve the problem for the small libraries and it you know and because they don't get hardly any of the funding.
So the I also view this fund as also being countywide. I think that's important if if any of our libraries are threatened We should have a fund to respond to it. And I'm definitely prepared to dig in my heels on this and the infrastructure question.
Let me just suggest procedurally something that we all get up our first time and then perhaps Mr. Chapman could come up when we talk about libraries and we could ask you some questions CEO Miyasato?
Supervisors through the chair I just wanted to before we go on to Mr. Adams supervisor and I just want to clarify Supervisor Williams numbers for our staff. So I just wanted to look and I'm sorry I can't barely read this but hopefully you can. So far we'll start on the one time because after we just left off so you would like some. The last row says library reduction prevention what amount were you suggesting
For libraries? I'll take Supervisor Wolf's suggested number before even though we talked about 500,000 on Monday 446. And I definitely support the 259 for the two juvenile positions and probation.
And that was in one time.
One time
and then did you also support going to the top of that we had a set aside for Goleta Beach for permitting?
I support all of your recommendations with the exception of the additional court set aside and that's only because I view the probation as being more vital at this point
thank you. And then ongoing were there any ongoing restorations
And I think that spending ongoing money is really dangerous at this point fiscally. We don't know, we actually do, we know that we're going to be short $20 million and even if we redouble our efforts on revenue which I am definitely working to do so and I know there are other supervisors here who are working to do so, we are not going to get $21 million worth of revenue We might if we're lucky get it 10.
And so I just I also am reluctant to allocate more one ongoing monies
and that includes the two top ones that reclassifying CalFresh to ongoing or the IHSS just want to clarify
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You have the IHSS 18-19 impact under ongoing because that is going to be ongoing. And the child welfare expansion under ongoing and the foster care expansion under ongoing, I am good with all of those. Those are vital. I use a little bit of my experience drawn from working with Governor Brown on this. You know, every year Governor Brown has been attacked by some of my colleagues that I served with in the Assembly as being And I'm going to start by saying that this is not the first time that we've had a Don't do everything.
We keep a sustainable level going and so you know I have disagreed with some of those decisions but to me that overarching way of doing things has actually helped social services in the long run or at least most social services in the long run and it's definitely helped education, definitely helped the rest of our And I think that's a pretty good way of doing things. So, I'm okay with most of the funding suggestions.
I think that does address some of the cuts but to me we should take those other suggestions up there And pull it out of the increase to contingencies for unexpected needs. That's the second pot for contingencies not the only pot and whatever level and we should stop at whatever people's tolerance for that is personally I think it's less dangerous to take it out of one time funds than to take it out of ongoing
So one more clarification. Supervisors to the chair so you're supporting the top four recommendations for ongoing the staff thought he thought they heard an additional one point seven five for the foster care eligibility determinations is that correct?
No I think we've covered that through your recommendation of the foster care expansion and the child
welfare expansion. OK thank you.
And before continuing I've had a request that we take a break but first Mr. Gazzone has something to
add. Chair and supervisors, we had talked offline the auditor budget director CEO and Mr. Chaptian and I'm just going to put in a reminder now so it's not a late hit that as you're discussing things like library this is the time of year where any votes that you're taking it's a three vote to ascribe money to a particular purpose outside of the budget hearing process it's four votes So as you're thinking about special uses of money, I'm just going to be listening to hear enough specificity that with three votes you can accomplish that today. As opposed to needing to come back later for four votes as you move money around.
Supervisor Wolf and then Williams. Thank you Madam Chair. Supervisor Williams I just wanted to clarify, I thought you said that you would be open to the juvenile probation officers?
Yes
but I know you wanted a switch from the courts. I'm just wondering how that's reflected.
It's down in one time and to me that would be one of the first places that we would want to backfill with additional revenue that we will receive next year in order to make that ongoing in next year's budget. To me it's not just about doing this, it's just about it being safer to allocate one-time monies at this point. To me I would like to make those juvenile positions permanent.
Okay, short break back at 1030. Please take your seats we're reconvening the June 14th Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors budget hearings and we've begun deliberations on the budget. We've heard from three supervisors and we're about to hear from supervisor Adam
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All right. Well I really appreciate everybody's comments so far and Janet God bless you. You know how much I love you.
They do have a thing going on. We
do we do. Yeah well not that song OK. It's more like a sister type of deal. Yes we are. Boom we didn't we didn't do the boom thing. No well yeah you would do that. You see that's the funny part of this relationship is we do agree on so much and we get along so good she's the best friend that I have on the board. Yep, and always has been from the very first day.
And it was just because I was so damn scared of her when I came in and she was nice. But God dangit you're in denial. Why do you have to be so deeply in denial? We have a major Yeah no you wouldn't. I know I can say this and you know that we're just going through the exercise here. We have a deeply unsustainable system constructed here. It's not going to continue to work, in fact we're already seeing that because we are cutting almost 200 people loose and nobody wants to do that everybody wants to have everything as Doreen would say right-sized all the time You know I don't take any pleasure and I know that there's, I've been accused of not wanting any government and that's not true.
We do perform essential services here and we've got to continue to do that but I'm not here To take the best I can get. I'm here to make a sustainable system and I've been making these arguments largely unsuccessfully for the last four years and it sounds like we're morphing over into more of what I could potentially agree with And I just want to be clear about this maintenance. You know we're not doing frivolous things, we're not painting stuff that doesn't need to be painted or putting nails in things that don't need nails you know the essential work that were not doing is turning into emergencies on a regular basis which cost far more to fix than it would have had we just fixed them as we went along. And in fact, we've just been stealing from future generations by failing to maintain the assets that were charged with maintaining.
And if we fail to take meaningful steps towards a real sustainability now, the steps that we're going to take in the future are going to be even worse. I will agree that there's some stuff on here that's probably Really needed. But I think that we really have to take the hit now at least in a small part so that all of future future deficits are some of the damage is blunted.
So and I will say that this is probably the best budget or least objectionable budget I've ever seen since I've been here. I think you guys did a fantastic job CEO's office in putting something together and really crafting something that may be able to get a large amount of support. That being said what I want to do here is I want to take all of the ongoing funding each column and put it in deferred maintenance.
And I want to take the remaining one-time stuff or the, I want to take the Goleta Beach portion of one time and the set aside for Ivy Foot Patrol and put that in deferred maintenance And keep the increase to contingencies for unexpected needs which we know we're going to have and set aside for court security. I want to support that as well. And I also want to define deferred maintenance. When I say deferred maintenance, I mean things that are already on the deferred maintenance list not save it for contingency because that's what the contingency is for is that instead of trying to hold it back for the emergencies that will inevitably occur.
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Supervisor Adam to the chair we just want to make sure Mr. Clemente has that correct so he shows continued increase to contingency on one time, he shows set aside for court security at $300,000 and then deferred maintenance is two the combination
should be the balance.
Should be the balance?
Yeah.
Okay thank you.
Balance of all the other items just take all the other items.
Well have we got that. So it's my turn last year I was sitting out in the audience listening to deliberations. I had a lot of confidence in the money that was set aside for fire which I think is an increasing danger for all of us having since visited the jail. I believe that that is I left in tears. We have no other choice but to build a new jail. The rainy day fund is very important to maintain. I had no idea though last year that we would be in such dire straits this year.
I have been working for agencies that have been in dire straits before and I've seen how they organize and I'm very confident in our CEO and our staff that over the next few years, we are going to look internally, we are going to audit And we are going to use this challenge to do a job better and more efficiently than we've done it before. Governments aren't like private sector businesses, they don't typically go bankrupt and have to reorganize so sometimes crises are an opportunity to rethink How you do your mission and what's really essential, and I'm confident that over the next two or three years we'll do that.
I also believe that we need to look at revenue generation but not necessarily just the way we've done things in the past to generate revenues. There is a 21st century economy coming and we need to get Santa Barbara positioned to take good advantage of that And I think we really need to look hard and carefully at that because we haven't come to terms with what the county role would be in convening the private sector, education and other interests to determine what our values are and what we want to be and how we want to encourage those kinds of businesses and industries to locate here. So that's what I think we can do over the next two or three years. In the meantime What do we do? I, like Supervisor Williams and the others believe that maintenance is extremely critical.
I can't stand around my own home to have leaks in the roof or the driveway needing repair it makes me very anxious very nervous but what I see is that the state has stepped up Significantly we're going to go this year get 2 million more than we had anticipated and over the longer run 7 million more each year. And we hear a lot at the federal level that as well, that's one thing that seems to be in agreement with both sides of the aisle that we need more maintenance funding so I believe that we can see more funding coming from those sources And so I think it's important that we try to maintain critical social service departments here in the county. We have a department that was gutted in previous years and we see how very difficult it is to reconstitute the services in that department, so that's very expensive over the long run.
I have had the opportunity as a new supervisor to meet with the department heads and the people who work for this county. And I have been overwhelmed by the dedication to public service, the commitment to this county and to the people we serve and the high standards that our employees have across the board. And I feel very, very proud to be a part of this county and be part of this family that is dedicated to serving the people who live here.
I particularly want to call out the people who've been working so hard on this budget Starting with Mr. Gazzone whose his staff every weekend there in the office you don't often see the work, the memos that come to us on the board explaining some of the finer points of decisions we have to make. And Mr. Frapwell who has been here only a few months but has jumped in and again been available, and department heads too I've been calling on the weekends to explain ask them for explanations of things I don't understand and I know they've explained it to me before but very patiently they do it again And especially our CEO Mona Miyasato. She has been extraordinary and I have, she is in her office and available and trying to reconcile the differences and put up the very best that she can in terms of hearing what the various board members have to say and working with departments Continually having an open mind and trying to adjust and respond to new ideas and not just rolling our eyes but really how can we do this?
And so I'm very appreciative. So with that preface, everyone has my numbers on the staff but I'd like to just explain for the public where I am coming from. We have a baseline maintenance funding and that is ongoing funding. And I would like to take 300000 from public works and 224,000 from general services. And that's ongoing funding and that would give us 524,290 to work with.
And with that I would accept all of the CEO's recommendations but in addition and in deference to Supervisor Wolf who has far greater knowledge and experience in this as well as Chief Taylor's recommendation that we have the probation juvenile probation officers, two FTEs at 259076. I also support the foster care expansion of 1.75 FTEs and that would be $84,068.
Having worked in for six years as a CASA volunteer, I have great appreciation for the hard work and the essential work those people do I would also be in support of two FTEs for the CWS. So that differs from Supervisor Wolf, I would support two but not four. Then that brings us, at least me to the one-time funding and I again would support the CEO's recommendations.
I would be willing for libraries to go to 268 103 to increase the per capita funding to 840 $8.40 I think I would like to add money for county economic strategic planning, $150,000 in the CEO's office. I think we can't really plan for the 21st century and Increased revenues without some money for outside consultants. And then I would like to add $9,000 for IV office space in exchange for services to be rendered by the Community Services District and Isla Vista.
So those are my recommendations and I. I'm not sure if we should take some of the outstanding issues and discuss them or whether you'd like to frame them up for anything more Mr. Prapel CEO Miyasato. Supervisor
Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair the $268,000 that you recommended for libraries you heard the exchange between Supervisor Williams and myself how do you see that allocation being spent in your mind?
I would like Mr. Chapman to come up if he would it's my understanding that today we have allocated the funds to the three zone administrators and they have been the ones to decide how to do this So if we held money back and allocated it directly to branch offices, this would be quite a difference in procedure. And I'm not sure we have that kind of internal expertise at this point but I would like you to explain to us Mr. Chapman your thoughts about this issue?
Madam Chair, members of the board. Good morning. Yes, the current funding allocation is we do give it to the zone administrators and they decide how it's funded in this process. We don't have internal expertise as you know. We would probably work with the zone administrators to calculate how we would portion that money I certainly am not comfortable making that decision solely by myself.
We would have to consult with the zone administrators on that.
So we will be negotiating contracts with each of the three zoning administrators later this month early in July?
Madam Chair, yes.
And it's my understanding that to date we haven't really given much direction. Would you feel comfortable or could you as we negotiate what they do with the money we give them, could we ask them to please ensure that the small libraries continue operating?
Madam Chair I think we can. I think we can give them direction to do that if that's what the board wants us to
Would that lead to huge changes in the way the allocation is currently made?
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It may. I'd have to really take a look at it. I know that there's some branches, for example Carpinteria who without infusing more money in would see a reduction in perhaps days of coverage. I think right now given the current formula they probably are about $100,000 short If their city council infuses $15,000 that's a little bit less. Certainly we can work again it is the board's decision we can work with the zone director to direct that money where it needs to go.
Supervisor please stay. Supervisor Wolf and Supervisor Williams would you care to ask any questions or can we work our way through this?
I just think that when we're looking at this as a financial I think it's an important. Transaction with the zones- that if we direct this money to be used to avoid hour and day closures that George in consultation with his own administrators- will be able to figure it out- and- and I don't expect all of it to go to carp you know I don' expect even half The cuts that will disproportionately affect their ability to operate. And I think the two most vulnerable are our carpentry and solving, and so I think the stakes are high for them.
Supervisor Wolf?
You know this whole library fiasco is. It just feels like it's not just out of control but it's moving even more in that direction and my thought was to keep it simple for you Mr. Chapman you have a lot on your plate right now And we're moving forward with the RFP. And I think what this does is it gives a fair amount to all the libraries and to make you or the I mean it's going to be another food fight again And every library is going to want more. We've heard that they want, you know children's librarian or they wanna be open Monday afternoons. Let's give them the traditional amount of money that we have given them and let each library decide.
Trust me Mr. Williams I truly believe that they will be whether it's Bulton or Carpinteria will be more than happy To get additional funds over and above what has already been decided. And I don't want, I just feel that staff has worked so hard on this that we don't need to add anything more. I mean, I'd almost just say forget the whole thing because it's just gonna cause more time and trouble and angst amongst all the libraries at the city library meeting on Tuesday, yesterday I guess, I don' know.
Monday, there was this feeling that everyone needed to come together. They all wanted to work together. Folks from Carpentria wanted to make sure that everyone was equal. It was kind of this regional approach. And yet there were some, a couple people from Santa Barbara City that said maybe we should just break away. Let's not go there right now let's try and keep everything stable and help all the libraries and again I go to the ones in the North County too that really haven't been part of this discussion but I know that they too would like some of this additional funds.
Thank you Madam Chair.
Supervisor Williams
If we make this fund countywide and we allocate it, which I do support being county wide. But if we allocate it to libraries whether they need it or not to avoid closures Then the small libraries get such a small percentage then we're talking about a couple few thousand bucks that were throwing out when they're facing $100,000 shortfall. I just think that if stability is what we're looking at then staff their experienced staff The zone administrators are also experienced. They'll know where to allocate it, or we could send it back to us. We could just set it aside and send it back to us. That's another option. I'd be okay with either one of those options but allocating it in a manner that doesn't really help the libraries that are most vulnerable to closures is really not okay for me.
Madam Chair. Supervisor Wolf. Mr. Chaption or maybe Mr. Gazzone can speak to the contracts that we have with the libraries and how this fits in with that if at all.
Supervisor Wolf through the chair. If it's a per capita again it gets divided equally among the libraries both cities and branch libraries. And it would be depending on the amount if it's the four hundred and sixty thousand it would be a dollar extra for each library per person in their zone or in their sphere of influence so for a library like Solvang it would be an extra ten thousand dollars.
And for a library like Santa Barbara would be another ninety thousand or ninety two thousand Same with Goleta it would be about 88 to $90,000 so it can be incorporated into the budget like we did last year.
Supervisor Lavender.
I'm sorry I am not in a library mode is this library only talk at this point?
We are trying to resolve this one yes sorry okay. Could we split it and half of the money whatever we allocate could be per cap and half could prevent closures for small libraries.
I can agree to that
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I would agree with that in concept that we keep, that we do the per capita half of the money per capita and then the balance remains with the county. And not necessarily for closures because there may be other needs for the libraries. Let each library come, honestly this is just a nightmare. But let them each come with additional requests as they see fit. Some may not come and some may come and that would be fine.
Just before Mr.. Go ahead Mr. Gazzone and then I'll say something.
Chair Hartman and Supervisors, I'm thinking you might want to hear from the auditor just on what the mechanics of this would look like as to how that money would be fenced off to be subject to a three vote today and not require four votes later in the year?
Chair Harmon, Board of Supervisors. The proposal now at 50% seems like it would be you could put the 50% that would be allocated according to per capita into the CSD budget and then it would just follow the allocation that way. The remainder that you would like to have them come back to you for could be appropriated say in the general county programs and so that in during the year.
If that money then gets shifted over to be paid out through the CSD budget, then it's a three-fifths vote to move that money between departments within one fund if you were to If we were to put the money, the 50% that would be requested into a committed fund balance then that would require a four-fifths vote during the year. So as you are compromising, that could be the compromise in where the budget lies during the year.
Could this is to Mr. Taption could there be when you negotiate the contracts with the zone administrators could you the half of the money that's to prevent closures? Could you incorporate into the contract there so it's not on your plate but we've given some guidance for what we expect
Madam Chair if that's what the board wants me to do yes we can do that. Is
that agreeable?
It is agreeable to me I think half of it should go, if the compromise is half of it be allocated as Supervisor Wolf indicates and half of it be allocated in an avoid closure account Then that's what a compromise is. A compromise is not half of it getting allocated as Supervisor Wolf suggests, and then half of it to be decided later. We should use it in the closure account now if that's what we're doing to do a compromise.
An avoiding closure account in general services as the auditor controller indicated.
I'm asking could, as a different approach, as Mr. Chaption negotiates the contracts with the zone administrators they would get this money according to CAP but they would then have guidance So it's in the zone administrators responsibility to take that guidance and avoid closures so that it is out of Mr. Chapman and the county shop but with direction to the library administrators so we don't have an increased administrative burden on him.
I could agree to that. In the long run we're going to have to increase our participation and not in governance as indicated by the speakers that have come here.
Absolutely, and we've got that process in the works with the RFP.
But as an interim solution I think that's acceptable.
Oh please Supervisor Wolf. So we have so we have that tentative compromise now I think what we need to look at is the allocation because I had 446 supervisor Hartman was at 268 and so we need to come up with an amount that we can live with that will be split and so
How about right between those at 360.
That's fine with me. Are you OK? Sold. OK, all right so did you get did you get that Mr Clemente that we're at the 360 for one time libraries half will be spent per capita for the entire county and half will be spent Ms. Hartman do you want to?
I think Mr. Chapshin understands he will direct in his contract negotiations with the library administrators, direct that money be held for prevention of closures and to support the small branch libraries.
Countywide ma'am?
Can we say closures or reduction of services? That would be an improvement countywide.
Oh sorry this isn't.
Chair Hartman just for clarity that then the 100% of the amount will be in the CSD department and none of it split okay?
Wait it goes to the CSD and then it goes to the three zones we're all clear?
Okay. Can I ask a question?
Supervisor Adam
Are we at some point going to have another column on there which I can't really see these numbers from here. I'm gonna need a printed copy at some point but I'm not sure if we've got some kind of a column going off to the side where we've got the consensus
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Supervisor Adam through the chair so once your board is completing this deliberation that's what we do. We will come back with a consensus but we can also read off what the consensus looks like now because I think it is clear but we will typically then once you're done with deliberation if library is the last thing you want to deliberate on, we would come back with a cleaned up version. But we can also walk through where there is consensus as whenever you're finished with your deliberation.
Supervisor Lavinia?
Thank you Madam Chair. I would like to hear more about where's our one time so I still have money believe it or not and I'd like to hear more from the CEO and from chair Hartman about you know, I hear what you're saying about the strategic planning I was always hesitant about that though to going out and getting a consultant was it. It always felt like if the consultant came back and told us X Y Z we decided yeah, I don't like those it would seem like a waste of money but I do hear what you're saying some kind of would like to hear from both of you on on what that looks like and if you've talked about this at all or
Supervisor Wolf would like to chime in and then Supervisor Williams
and then we will go to CEO Miasato. I'm sorry Supervisor Lavagnino just on that library the prevention, didn't we say 360? So where is the other?
Supervisor Wolf there's two line items it was just for clarity for your board given your direction. Okay I'm
sorry thank you.
Supervisor Williams.
My only comment on this strategic planning, I think is a good idea. My suggestion would be for that amount of money that you make it a very specific question because if we make it a general one, I can tell you right now, I could save us $150,000 and the consultant will come back and say, you need more tech jobs and knowledge-based jobs. They'll spend $150,000 polling business owners and and looking at our economy and they'll come back and tell us something we already know.
So my suggestion because I don't think it's a bad idea I actually think it's a good idea is that we would ask them what are the specific barriers that are removable to those high wage high value jobs in tech and knowledge based businesses?
And if I may chime in before CEO Miyasato, I believe we all must discuss this in greater detail. I would like to have the money set aside. I do not believe it is possible for $150,000 hire a consultant who can tell us either of those things what we should do or what the obstacles are What I envision is that once our staff has worked through the rebalancing and audits internally, that we use existing staff perhaps an ad hoc committee. This money would be available this would come back to the board for much more discussion.
I am familiar with models in three other counties and again this isn't something that The county can do or even take the lead in but it can be a convener and it would work with our city colleges Hancock and Santa Barbara City College. We would work with the chamber vitality group, it would work with the North County Econ Alliance And put together a process that would move forward. It's also not something you do in a year, the other counties who are working on this but there are things regulatory relief and reform, there are things recruitment, there are many things we could If we could agree on what it was we really wanted to do. Maybe we need to rezone certain areas for more workforce housing, maybe we need certain other kinds of industries here and accommodate that in our zoning so it's a process this would be a way to launch the process and it would certainly come back for a lot more board discussion but I just want to set aside the funding so that we have that opportunity
I like the plan.
CEO Miyasato then Supervisor Lavanino and then Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you Chair Hartman and board members so this just came up really after Monday talking to when Mr. Opplinger talked about the economic vitality team and we mentioned that we do need some kind of strategic direction if nothing else, I think that is needed collecting data evaluating figuring out where the board wants to go and so I just said we need some kind of plan and I think it's good. We set money aside for us to have further discussions once we bring back all the different things that are happening out there and where we want to focus.
Supervisor Lavanina.
Thank you Madam Chair, and I would have to see more especially in this budget. I would really feel we just haven't heard enough about it. I'm not saying that if it didn't come back to us fleshed out that you know, I might be able to support at midyear. And if it's something that makes a lot of sense to a lot of us then there would be four votes for it but if they're you know if it isn't the last thing I want to do is just get another report that says that we should probably do you know STR oil industry parking fees all this stuff that we've already said we aren't going to do you And you know, so.
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Supervisor Wolf and then Supervisor Adam. Yeah I
just have a one liner. Plus we'll be able to meet so much more. We'll be able to meet so much more. There will be more meetings. Yeah it will be fantastic.
Supervisor Adam
Prepper is riding his horse. Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair just to clarify our numbers up there, you're probably going to have to reduce the amount of this strategic planning because we've given some of that money to the libraries. Is that right? So what will the new number be? It'll be less than 100,000.
Yeah we'd have
to take
65.
Supervisors it would be 85,000 in order to balance for Supervisor Hartman is that correct Paul? Yes
so you know I guess my comments would mirror what Supervisor Lavagnino said. I guess I'm just going to leave it at that. It will come back to us for further evaluation. It wouldn't it wouldn't be my highest priority but I'm definitely willing to look at look at that. So thank you Supervisor Hartman for bringing that to us and while I have the mic I'm going to also comment on the nine thousand dollars this is a little problematic for me because I've been following the CSD I've talked to a few folks there And I understand that they need a meeting place and that this is a high priority for the third district.
And like the economic strategic planning, I'm willing to go ahead and allocate the $9000 tentatively because I want to ensure that the where's our CSD people Jeanette that you have had a chance to ensure that the lease is comprehensive Last time I had a conversation, CSD hadn't had liability insurance. So I think it's fine to put it there as a placeholder but I think it's important that all those from CSD understand that it's not a guarantee. That we have to ensure that county's interests are protected and which I anticipate Ms. Hartman has already Thank you, Mr. President.
If I might just comment before Supervisor Lavanino and Williamson. And I think we've got an agreement on libraries Mr. Chapman so I don't think you have to stand there. He's
just on the edge of his seat, he knows libraries are going to come up again.
I would like to comment on the IV CSD funding. Many CSDs and other outside agencies of course would like money from the county so we don't want to set a precedent that would open us up to many requests that we can't meet. In Isla Vista, the county has a number of buildings and they have been Overseen and to some extent managed voluntarily. And we haven't been paying and we've heard that that cannot continue so this money is in exchange for service and that would distinguish it and of course there would be insurance, of course there would be a contract general services works to the highest standards so that is clearly the understanding So Supervisor Lavanino and then Supervisor Williams.
Thank you Madam Chair so just from what I've heard on the county economic strategic planning, I would rather not allocate anything in this budget and then hear from what the proposal might be and for me if it's that compelling I think something needs to be done but if it's that compelling, I don't really think we need an $85,000 placeholder because if it is that compelling, it's going to be considerably more than 85,000. So I'm going to be putting a zero there and I need to know more about the office space rent and this is the IV CSD.
These are the newly elected officers and is it your office space or which office space are we talking about?
Yeah I wanted to open an office in North County to better serve constituents there. So by you we have, so that left a vacancy in Isla Vista. So that office that Doreen Farr used there is now vacant. And so we went to, we went to RGSA and asked what is the rent there? And this is the amount. So this would be what it would cost in exchange for services. Supervisor? Oh yeah.
So even though it's only $9000 for me, it is the precedent and also I think it's the fact that You know this we have to let the residents of IB understand that if they're going to have a CSD. They have to raise the funds for things like office space and you know I think there was a commitment at least, and I said on LAFCO as well is that this is one of the things that people were worried about The county would step in and start taking the place of the CSD and helping the CSD move along. And I know it's only $9,000 but I just can't support that. I'm sorry.
Supervisor Williams.
Well, I just want to speak in support of the 9000 for the CSD. To me we are the other service provider in Isla Vista and so whatever they're not able to do, we're just going to have to pick up the tab for eventually anyway. So the more engagement that the CSD does, the more we save in the long run. To me it's a logical investment if we want You know Isla Vista is just a tough position for the county because all of the sales tax areas were annexed into another jurisdiction and so it costs us a lot of money to provide services to Isla Vista. So if somebody else wants to step up and provide some of those services we should help them.
So you can put $9,000 definitely in my column for that. For the 85,000 I will support that as well. I just think it should be is this under one time?
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Supervisor Adam.
I'm not supporting that.
I just wanted to add that in addition to providing services the CSD aggregates interests. There are many, many meetings in Isla Vista and it's very difficult for our staff, our GSA staff, our public works staff, our sheriffs to attend all of these meetings so We have the opportunity to use the CSD to convene these interests in one stop shopping and that's a very valuable service as well.
Yeah I'm happy to change my 150 to 85. Supervisor Lovanino?
All right in order to clean up the chart there under me then I would move the rest of my remaining one time to deferred maintenance.
Super, CEO Mia Sato.
Board members we can go through the chart and show you where there is consensus and how much money we have available so my eyes aren't great but we can start with ongoing funding. So there's consensus for the CEO's recommendations on reclassifying CalFresh to ongoing. The IHSS impact for the local match, the child welfare expansion for two social workers.
Is there a way to color that or so we can just rule it out, we've got agreement and for those of us whose eyes
aren't what they once were. I think that's fine if you can Paul but also just the amounts are in the immediate column to the right. Oh
okay yes.
So those are the amounts right? Let him just finish that.
I have to say that when you're adding those for the SEIU positions and as you put them in purple.
So there was not consensus for the APS additional 3.1 social workers, the CWS additional 2 or 4, the foster care additional 1.75 or the ongoing two juvenile probation officers or the reduction of the baseline funding
Yeah my suggestion on the probation officers was to use the money that was optional as the set aside for court security. Again this is just, to me we could accomplish The the needs that have been articulated. By using a combination of set aside for court security and because remember this is the second set aside record security we already did it first set aside for court security.
The increased contingencies because again that is a second increased contingencies. We already have an account for contingencies and use that as one-time monies instead of taking it out of capital which I think is really just a needed expenditure
So Supervisor Williams on the second part of the chart. So if you go back on the ongoing just one second I'll just go back up so we show the remaining ongoing funding is the negative $5,000 5 4 7 9. So if you go down to the second part of the chart on the one time this is where Supervisor Williams amount is shown. So on that we have consensus on Goleta Beach.
On the contingency, but again I think Supervisor Williams saying that could be a place for additional wind time. The court security and the set aside for foot patrol, that's where there is consensus. There's consensus on county libraries per capita increase there and the second county library reduction of error prevention. And economic strategic planning, there's consensus.
I just prefer us not to color the contingency fund yet. OK. We resolve where the money is coming from.
So
yeah but we have five so I mean on the contingency unless you're going to pull a couple of people away. Correct there's already.
Well I just what
I mean
It looks like there's a vote for the expenditure. It's a question of where the money comes from and I think, I'm hoping that you would rather have the money come out of that increase to contingencies than to come out of capital is kind of my hope.
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Okay so what you're saying is hold on a second. OK so there's so there's five. So what you wanted to do was take it out of the set court set aside I'm trying to figure
out out of the increased contingencies and the probation out of the court set aside
but we already have votes for the court set aside
yes this court set aside. You can't really take any money from it.
I just also think you have three votes here for not taking it at a capital. I mean I think I'm counting to 3 of not taking that money out of capital.
So since we're not can you go back up Can you CEO Miyasato figure out a way to fund the two probation officers in ongoing while keeping court services since we've got three or four votes? Supervisors to the chair or even make it. Let's just say the juvenile probation officers is one time, but just leave The court services as it is Is there any additional funds for one
time so you go back to the chart? So on the one time if you wanted to fund the juvenile if you want to fund the The two DPOs on one time you could do that You'd have to reduce somewhere else because we are balanced so you could take it from any other So I'm going to take it out of the increase to contingencies remember this is over and above
Exactly so let's reduce if that is okay. I would be agreeable. So let's reduce contingencies by the amount for juvenile probation officers, is it 259?
Yeah.
And then we just leave the juvenile probation officers as one time and we keep the court Do we have a deal? You know it's not like the federal government where they meet behind closed doors and figure out a new bill. We have to do it out there in public. It is always easy but it's messy but I think it's kind of a great exercise for us and the public.
I agree. Let's take a break for patting ourselves on the back a little bit because I'll tell you this takes a lot longer right? You know it's a lot easier when you don't have the Brown Act in state legislature and you can just hammer it out in like meetings, twist each other's arms in private. This is a lot harder we have to do that all in public sphere all in front of the world but it's definitely more transparent
So supervisors so on the one time and we'll go back up to the ongoing. So on the one time there's can we balance? So there's consensus on all the purple. So the set aside for Goleta Beach, increase to contingencies for 74924. Set aside for the court security for 300000. Set aside IV foot patrol for 475. The county libraries per capita increase 180 as well as the library hour reduction program is 180 down below. One time funding for two juvenile probation officers that will serve in the, it's not juvenile probation, deputy probation officers serving in the juvenile field service.
And then economic strategy strategic planning for $85,000 and then the IV office space for $9,000. And we balance. Then going back up just to reiterate for the ongoing it's the CEO's recommendations with no adjustment to maintenance funding except for yes? We would pull another 5 4 7 9 from from contingencies just to make sure that we balance. Is that correct? The auditor is saying yes.
So where do we have,
so it looks like we have agreement? Supervisor Wolf.
We do have agreement but I just feel that we are so close for the social workers and foster care and we've got the probation officers as I think supervisor Williams correctly stated after budget workshops we added about $4 million to maintenance and to fund just those now I'm just looking at the two where I have two votes. It's about a little bit about 250 thousand dollars So I would say, Mr. Williams if you would consider funding those and it's not everything that I asked for it's just two of the two additional social workers and foster care and then take that much smaller amount out of the baseline maintenance.
I just want to make one more pitch for you to consider that.
Do I get to pitch too before you make a decision? It's $20 million a hole next year.
Compared to about 250,000. Supervisor Williams.
And I agree with both of you which is why, I mean, I believe we should fund those positions but we should fund them with one time out of increase to contingency so that we do not touch the capital budget. I felt like we made a good decision on that capital budget it's a promise I didn't make the previous board made but we should stick by both the letter and spirit of that promise.
And we have the ability to do so this year. I'm not sure if we will have the ability to do next year, but we should try our best to do it and so I could agree to those positions but out of the increased contingency account.
Okay so let me just clarify the 18% because look at this, okay you do not want me to do that? No I don't want
you to clarify the 18%.
Well it's because the chart was proposed and so we've met the obligation. Mr. Fratwell said we're over $4 million but okay let's move on from that. And what I'm thinking that I heard Mr. Williams say is that he would take the CWS and the foster care, move it down below to one time which would then reduce the contingency amount. Is that right? That is correct. And I am fine with that because One time is better than no time. And you know I don't know if Ms. Hartman would agree with that but it's fine with me to move it down.
Supervisor Lavanino and then I have a question for the CEO. Thank
you Madam Chair, I would kind of like to have the CEO weigh in on The wisdom of paying for ongoing expenses at one time and I think we might even have a budget policy that says that we are not supposed to be doing that.
And I just want to piggyback on that before you start Ms. Miyasato, the contingency if you would talk about what it's been in the past and why it is important?
Can I throw in part of that question? To me, the response is not that we're going to not do anything between now and then. We are doing meet-and-confer. We have scheduled meet-and-confer with this bargaining unit. Doing it for one time is a good act of good faith towards them that we're trying to do our best but that we may not have the ability to fund it into perpetuity
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Supervisors to the chair, so on the contingencies we have funded in the baseline budget $1.5 million which we said we would not want to go below this year I think we had allocated three million dollars our historical spend has been about two million dollars out of that contingency fund So we were obviously looking at a tough year next year so we wanted to make sure there was enough flexibility for the board.
We put in a million, could you go up to the one time Paul thank you. You've taken it down to 740 I think if we did our historical of 2 million out of contingency every year take that down to 500. You know would be rational. It just means there's we will be coming to the board on those quarterly reports and making sure departments are spending within their allocation.
Let me also give another argument it is my belief that some large departments view that increase to a contingency as they're you know Yes so maybe it's better for that to be at a smaller amount so the people don't feel like they're going to be able to go over their budget allocation.
Supervisor Lavanino
Thank you and you didn't touch on and I don't know if maybe it's a budget policy I just had in my own head but talking about paying for ongoing expenses at one time.
Supervisors of the chair absolutely we have. It's not our budget policy I believe just says that we discourage using one time funds for ongoing uses because at some point you're going to come to a cliff and it's what is it called JJ? What do you call it? OFU? Yeah so I think that's gotten us in trouble in the past and we're just trying to be mindful. I think if the board wants to spend one time it would be making it clear to the departments, and I've talked to social services as well and obviously they would take any funding for whatever time the board could give it to them to help transition. They know they'll be making reductions as they come into the 18-19 year so I'm sure they would use anything they could Board of Supervisors meeting
So Madam Chair, I would recommend that the child welfare expansion of the two social workers of 175 and the foster care expansion of two eligibility workers of 96 be moved down to one time. And a relative reduction is made to contingencies. I don't know what the numbers are. You know the other option is that you take half of that amount out of contingencies and the other half out of the IHSS. No did I hear no no
no? We absolutely need that IHSS. OK. I mean if you're going to do it let's take it at a contingency.
OK there's a motion Is there a second?
There is a second
more discussion.
No
no no just the one issue we are actually voting on this one. Are you okay with that? Just on the contingency.
I don't think you need a
vote.
I would just figure out so on the contingencies it's been reduced to 481 189 in order to pay for the two additional CWS social workers and 1.75 Foster Keller. And I want to make sure those numbers are right Paul. And there's consensus among the board to do those, to do those. Sorry.
Supervisor Wolf did you have
more? Oh no I just thank you.
I would much rather take it from the baseline maintenance funding than from our contingency in a very tough year but I get the sense that supervisor Williams is digging in on this. Okay I'll go with it.
So so I believe that means that your one time is balanced and then the ongoing also is balanced. So Chair Hartman we can go and just clean this up. We are getting the auditors concurrence to make sure all the accounting is correct. We could just take a short break so our staff can do that with the auditor and we can come back how long will it take us 30 minutes?
Would we want to do closed session or just a break.
I think just a break maybe if you give us our staff is saying 15 minutes they can just go and clean it up and then we can come back for your board's approvals.
OK so we'll be back by noon.
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Very beginning.
Okay we are reconvening the June 14, 2017 Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors budget hearing and the CEO's staff and Mr. Frapwell have put together what we agreed upon before the break and now would you like to walk us through this one more time?
Thank you Madam Chair, members of the board. This is what we heard as part of the deliberation and consensus that was reached at least on the adjustments here for the recommended budget. We have made a minor change in this classification and consultation with the audit controller but in that this reflects exactly the net additions and adjustments that your ward has Reached consensus on so let me walk quickly through the ongoing funding sources we see and available increase in general fund property taxes of one point four one point five million dollars a reclassification of the 80 percent policy to 60 have use it with tendencies of 186 for total available ongoing sources of 1,000,003 88.
With respect to the recommended uses, we have $492,000 for CalFresh. That happens within the DSS budget. IHSS impact for fiscal year 18-19 is $625,000. A child welfare expansion, two social workers at $175,667. Policy expansion, two FTEs, one at $96,078 and that balances with the available money in that category. Within One time thank you. Moving my eyes can't keep up with the spreadsheet there and one time sources we have contingencies use of three hundred nineteen thousand. We show a reduction in the allocation to DSS ISSS IHSS it may revise 260 is reclassification of the funding 18 percent funding policy reclassified the CalFresh ongoing 492 which brings total available one time sources of 3 million 71000.
With respect to uses then we have the set-aside of $567,000 for related beach. Increase in contingencies of $481,189. Set aside for court security at $300,000 above what was included in the recommended budget The set-aside for the Ivy Foot Patrol of $475,000 and allocation of the County Libraries on a per capita basis of $180,000. Two juvenile probation officers at $259,076. And then an hourly library reduction prevention pot of money at $180,000 Moving down to county economic strategy planning of 85,000. I have the office space in exchange for services provided by CSD of 9,000 within child welfare service additional two FTEs 175-667. Foster care an additional 1.75 FTE 84068.
And finally, the full funding or the four-year funding for the AOT program as 275. That was originally had been identified up in those sources and anyway so this more accurately reflects in consultation with the audit controller. So that really does balance on the one time and ongoing sources of revenue.
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CEO Miyasato?
I was just going to say if there's no further deliberation we can go to the approvals required of your board and this gets incorporated into those approvals.
OK so at this point Supervisor
Wolf. Just just for consistency and clarity well first of all thank you for pulling this all together but it just might be helpful under the juvenile probation officers to put in parentheses or just say additional two or something like that because it is the staffing. Other than that I think this is an excellent reflection of what we've talked about.
Madam chair and supervisors. I see that The board the board is almost ready here and just as a housekeeping item We have agendized two items on the agenda today. The first is the county budget recommended operational plan that we talking about item number one, which was read in and I Would recommend that after you're done with that when the clerk of the board read in the second item Which is the successor agency also and then you can take a separate vote on that
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Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair, I'd just like to request for a future item to come before the board since we've spent a lot of time talking about our maintenance funding and allocation and capital and so forth if we could come back with a list of how these funds will be used? I know that we had something similar to that during the budget workshop but there has been an increase in allocations so it would be helpful if the different departments can come back to the board. And if not as a board item at least as a memo to Board Supervisors so we know how the money is being spent.
We can do that certainly.
Thank you Madam Chair. And Supervisor
Williams?
Well, I always believe that budgets are a reflection of our values and our priorities. And I think that this is a balanced approach. It does rebalance. It does reduce our structural deficit. It doesn't fix it yet. Which would be the only criticism I would acknowledge of it, but it does say that our values are investment in the future including infrastructure. This is a substantial commitment to infrastructure. It says that we have a commitment to mental health since that is the department that has least been hurt by our rebalancing. We have prioritized that, I think because of prevention of public safety reasons And I don't want that to get lost in the discussion today because that was mainly about what we talked about at the workshop. But that's a really big deal and something, I think, to be proud of, to have this county have that level of commitment to mental health.
And it also says that we are going to try to protect that social safety net, but that we can't speak for all of it yet. So we need to work cooperatively to make that social safety network and I also take the criticism from the right on it that we also need to have metrics That show progress we should be looking at those things of course in the future to make sure that this is done right so I think it's a great testimony to both.
This county having a practical outlook to prevent spending more money in the long run and a compassionate outlook at the same time which is difficult to achieve during a budget deficit. So I just really want to say that it's been I really respect working with each one of you in this deliberation and I think that the budget reflects not three of our values, not two of our values, not four of our values but it reflects elements of each one of our values which I think is a pretty cool reflection of the county as a whole.
Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair I'd like to go ahead and make a motion that we approve items A through F and Mr. Guzzone you mentioned the successor agency is that inclusive of these items or is that separate?
Chair Wolf, excuse me chair Hartman and supervisor Wolfe right now. I would recommend that you're considering action on item d1 the county recommended operational plan 2017-2018 and those items a through F are for D 1 And then I would recommend the clerk of the board separately call item d2 which is the successor agency
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So I will move item d1
May I have a second. Further discussion? Supervisor Lavanino.
So I'm not looking at what so this is the straight up budget vote
as I understand it yes.
So my my discussion is this was during the break I was really contemplating and this I was leaning towards my first no vote on a budget because I just don't think it's Good budget principle to spend. To classify ongoing expenditures as one time but I also realize I have a very precarious alliance to fund at the highest rate ever our roads and maintenance And so.
That's more that means more to me than the other we can we can deal with that in the long run and will deal with that next year and whether we want to deal with it or not we're going to have to because we have a looming budget deficit next year. So of course this is not representative of the way I would have liked to see things go I would have liked to put more into contingency and worry about next year but You know I am pleased that we are putting more towards roads and maintenance than we have in the past. And while it's not anywhere near where it needs to be, it is a move in the right direction so I'll be supporting
it. Supervisor Adam. Okay, Mr. Allen
would you call? Mr. Adam?
No.
Mr. Lavagnino? Aye. Mr. Williams? Aye Ms. Wolfe? Aye Ms. Hartman? Aye Passes 4 to 1 And I'll go ahead and read the second item into the record This is from the CEO's office and the county acting as a successor agency to the former Santa Barbara County Redevelopment Agency It's a hearing to consider recommendations during the fiscal year 17-18 Recommended budget for the County of Santa Barbara as the successor agency to the former County of Santa Barbara Redevelopment Agency
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I'll move this item.
Item
A and B. May I have a second? Second. Once again would you call the vote?
Mr. Adam? No. Mr. Labonita? Aye. Mr. Williams? Ms. Wolfe?
Aye.
Ms. Hartman? Aye This is 4-1
So we will be going into closed session, Mr. Gazzone
Chair Hartman and Supervisors, today in closed session you'll start with Conference of Legal Counsel. Anticipated litigation one case then public employee appointment for Public Health Director. You will then consider public employee performance evaluations for the county executive officer and 12 department heads, agricultural commissioner. Behavioral wellness, child support services, community services, fire, general services, human resources, planning and development, public defender, public health, public works and social services.
Please be quiet while Mr. Gazzone finishes his report.
And then one item of conference with labor negotiators for unrepresented managers and executives. And my estimate is between hour-and-a-half and two hours on this.
So we would reconvene about 2 o'clock to 15. All right.
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Yeah. Hi. you you you Reconvening the June 14th, 2017 Board of Supervisors meeting here in Santa Barbara. And Mr. Gazzone would you report out from closed session?
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Chair Hartman and supervisors today in closed session the board first considered conference with legal counsel for anticipated litigation also public employee performance evaluations for county executive officer and 12 department heads agricultural commissioner behavioral wellness child support services community services Fire, General Services, Human Resources, Planning and Development, Public Defender, Public Health, Public Works and Social Services.
And Conference of Labor Negotiators for Unrepresented Managers and Executives. And also considered public employee appointment for public health director and through a unanimous vote the Board of Supervisors appointed Von Do Reynoso and I'll turn to CEO Miyasato for more.
Thank you Mr. Guzzone and I'm actually going to turn it over to Assistant CEO Terri Nessage.
Great thank you, just a little bit about Dr. Reynoso she has managed county behavioral health and human services programs since 2004 and has been a leader in public health in Madera County since 2008. For the past seven years she served as Madera County's Public Health Director following two years as the assistant public health director. During her tenure as director, she also served as the interim director of the Madera County Behavioral Health Department for one year. She is also the founding member and serves as the chair of the San Joaquin Valley Public Health Consortium which engages public health leaders from eight Central Valley counties and does strategic planning training and policy development in the area of public health. So we're very pleased to welcome Von DiBernoso to the county and she'll begin work on August 7th.
Thank you. And we're very grateful to Ms. Topliff for the work she's done in the interim. So with that, I adjourn this meeting. We reconvene Tuesday June 20th here in Santa Barbara.
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