BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 August 29, 2017

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:18 · ≈ 9:00 AM

you Okay. Good morning.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:06 · ≈ 9:04 AM

It's a little after nine and welcome to this August 29th Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting here in the Santa Maria hearing room. Ms. Alexander would you call the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:17 · ≈ 9:04 AM

roll? Mr. Williams? Here. Ms. Wolff? Here. Mr. Adams? Here, Mr. Lavinino? Here Ms. Hartman?

Pledge of Allegiance, led by Joan Hartmannceremonial · click to expand · ≈13s recited, not transcribed
ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:23 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Here Please stand for the pledge Ready begin

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:28 · ≈ 9:04 AM

I pledge allegiance to the flag Of the United States of America And to the republic for which it stands

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:45 · ≈ 9:04 AM

And turning to the minutes of August 22, 2017 may I have a motion to approve? Second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Minutes are passed and CEO's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:00 · ≈ 9:05 AM

report Ms. Miyasato. Good morning board members. I just have a short announcement and that is that we it's actually an award that the county received. We received confirmation that the county's energy and climate action plan was selected for its second innovation in green community planning award from the American Planning Association So as you recall, we did get recognition. The first recognition was at the local level and this latest award is important because it's from the statewide California chapter. It'll be presented next month in Sacramento at the state conference. Staff from the Energy and Sustainability Initiatives.

And the long-range planning divisions recently presented at the California Climate Action Planning Conference to share lessons learned with other local governments and staff will be bringing an update to your board on the energy and climate action plan on the September 12th board meeting.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:57 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Thank you and that's it. All right turning to our administrative agenda may I have a motion to approve the four honorary resolutions A17 to A20 that are on our agenda today? So moved. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? So the honorary motions stand approved we're only presenting one of those today, A 20 Miss Alexander would you read that into the record please?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:27 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Director Hartman and members of the board on today's agenda item A20 is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino it's to adopt a resolution of accommodation honoring the Santa Maria high school Saints baseball team as the CIF division six champions. And if I can have Joseph Dominguez, Joey Arzoco, Bobby Ruiz, Mark Estrada and Isaiah Garcia to the podium and I'll go ahead and read the resolution.

Whereas the Santa Maria High School baseball team won the CIF Division 6 championship defeating Marina Valley 9 to 0. Whereas this baseball championship was the first one for Santa Maria high school since 1957 ending a 60 year drought and whereas Trevor Garcia Tommy Herrera Mark Estrada Robert Slim Lopez Devin Erickson Bobby Ruiz Isaiah Garcia Philip Becerra Marcus Rodriguez Pauline Navarro J.J. Pantoja Alfredo Camacho and Angel Esparza has played together since elementary school and whereas the team was led by CIF coach of the year Rick Hebert and assistant coaches Joey Erzoco Omar Gonzalez Marcus lights and Alex Lopez. And whereas the Saints dominated their opponents during their playoff run outscoring them 66 to 12 And whereas the team received clutch contributions from every player with Tommy Herrera and Trevor Garcia being named All-CIF, and Paulie Navarro being named All-CIF MVP.

And whereas the Saints' team will have eight players returning and are looking forward to defending their championship again next year. Now therefore it is hereby ordered and resolved that the Board of Supervisors joins the community in honoring the Santa Maria High School baseball team for their outstanding athletic achievement and their excellent sportsmanship. Passed and adopted today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed8:37 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Also I'd like to, the community really supported the team a lot this year. There was when we had our playoffs got in the playoff series, I mean the stands were full it was exciting to see you know and it hadn't happened since 57 so the boys didn't realize what they had in front of them and once they realized that I mean they really played hard and played their hardest. You know one of the persons I would like to mention is I believe the gentleman's name is Richard Caldwell. He's the owner of Ratchetty Pomo and he offered, before we went to the championship game, he offered to feed the boys about 10 o'clock says come to my place, I'll feed them for free, give them a tri-tip sandwich or give them something to eat before we hit the road and he's an alumni from this school so you know it was kind of nice that a lot of people that were alumni came out and supported the team.

As much as, if not more than these boys did because where they came from and how long it's been for them. So it was exciting. It really was and I enjoyed being in the community a long time coaching for over 25 years. It was very exciting for me that this is what we coached for. This is what we do. And you know the boys played hard they did everybody did their jobs and it was really good. It was exciting

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.809:53 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Well thank you so much for coming today and allowing us to share in your celebration, and you've done all of Santa Barbara County proud.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8810:01 · ≈ 9:10 AM

Yes absolutely

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed10:02 · ≈ 9:10 AM

I just want to say thank you everybody for supporting us and come out to the football games and support us there as well

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8810:13 · ≈ 9:10 AM

I want to thank, I think we also need to give a shout out to principal Joe Dominguez. There's been a new revival of spirit Santa Maria high spirit you can feel it throughout the community and it reflects back on the sports program. I think last year the football team first time they made the playoffs and I don't know how long and this year they started off with a severe whooping on San Luis High so things

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed10:39 · ≈ 9:10 AM

are back. We just got moved to number five in CIF. One thing I'd like to repeat what Coach Ellington said is last year the Saints were back, this year Saints are here. That's right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed10:51 · ≈ 9:10 AM

I just want to say thank you to everyone for supporting us and I just want to give a big shout out to my fellow teammate that passed Ivan Nunez and we couldn't do it without him. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8011:09 · ≈ 9:11 AM

We'll expect you back next year. I would be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed11:15 · ≈ 9:11 AM

remiss if we see people, young people who are so successful as playing part of a team not to pitch you on after college to be thinking about employment with the county. We need good team players here in many departments planning and development, deputy sheriffs, think about coming back to work at County of Santa Barbara.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8011:39 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Thank you. Turning to more mundane matters on our administrative agenda, Supervisor Adam has one item he would like to pull and we have an item from the member of the public so for item A10 would you read that into the record?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed12:03 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Chair Hartman and members of the board, administration item A10 is from social services. It is to consider recommendations regarding a third amendment to an agreement with Community Action Commission of Santa Barbara County for 211 helpline service.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8012:18 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Supervisor Adams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed12:20 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Yeah you know I thought that for some reason and it may be some cognitive dissonance on my part but I just recall that we didn't fund this at this level. And now we're talking about $174,000 which just I checked into with Mr. Nielsen thank you for getting back to me so fast. And based on the calls, it's $31 a phone call if you have the same number of calls as last year and the money that we're spending here.

And combined web access and phone calls would be $11 apiece. And I kind of thought and maybe it was the last board that I'm recalling that we had decided that there was about enough for that. And we decided to fund it at a lower level and try and get some other partnerships in on this thing. And it seems that we're not doing that. And and we're having seventy nine thousand dollars worth of general fund think In any case, yep 79.7 the general fund yeah so I'm not going to be able to support this it probably found its way into the budget and like I said I probably was not able to focus on it or something.

So anyway maybe roll call vote would be in order I am not sure I have any questions for Mr. Nielsen thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8014:11 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Did you want to respond Mr. Nielsen?

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Just Chair Hartman and Supervisors, I think Supervisor Adams'
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed14:20 · ≈ 9:14 AM

recollection is correct in that in the prior year and I'm not sure about the year after that but I know in the prior year the amount of funding available from the various sources listed in the board item was not enough to fully fund what was desired to be the activities of the contract. And so the county worked with a contractor At that time to have the scope of work be in alignment with the money that was available and that continues to be where we're at moving forward with this contract is, of course, we don't want to be asking for more work than we have money for. So the amount of work that's in the contract is in alignment with the money that's available.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8015:03 · ≈ 9:15 AM

And may I ask Ms. Miyasato do we have any other contributors to this? It provides a countywide benefit to people.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed15:12 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Chair Harman and Supervisors, I'll ask Terri Nesbitt to come up. We do and I can't remember which cities currently contribute but before she does to respond to Supervisor Adams recollection he's He's correct so a couple every year we'd come back to the board saying there's more money needed for 211. And so in this current fiscal year there wasn't enough money from other contributors. So we asked the contractor to reduce the scope of services because we didn't have enough additional general fund to cover the additional cost. So what you have before you is sort of the reduced down version

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed15:46 · ≈ 9:15 AM

Yes good morning Madam Chair, members of the board. To add to the conversation yes we continue to reach out to our partner cities for funding of 211 based on the actual calls received from their areas and this year we did receive funding from City of Santa Barbara as well as City of Carpinteria. We continue every year to work with the other cities and make the case about 211 as you can see Here in the board letter our call volume has increased dramatically from where we started several years ago and that we've made a number of improvements. We have as CEO Miyasato mentioned decreased the contract amount to be in line with the resources available and that includes an ongoing contribution from the county's general fund of the forty nine thousand seven hundred listed here but we will continue to work with cities.

We also continue to work directly with CAC on obtaining grants for these services.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8016:41 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Supervisor Lavanino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8816:42 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Thank you, Madam Chair. And this has occurred for me every year is that the city of Santa Maria I know that I've been actually at the budget hearings when the Community Action Commission has come forward and requested funding and I think there were over 1600 phone calls. Santa Maria is the number one focal point for phone calls And the city looks upon this as a county responsibility and so they feel the jobs getting done right now by us. So I would anticipate, I don't think there's going to be any change in funding stream from the city but based on what the 1600 phone calls, I know some of them have led You know, child welfare cases and those types of things.

So although it is 79,000 or so or 74,000 of the general fund until we can get the cities to pick up the cost. I mean, we've invested a bunch of money into the database. And I keep checking on that to make sure that it's accurate at this point which it is. And so I'll support the funding. With the idea that we're going to continue to reach out. But like I said, I don't see that changing but you know if I saw a drop-off in calls Or people weren't using it or didn't feel the importance of it You know, maybe I would change my mind but at this point I think it's it's highly used and at least for the people of my district It's an important resource.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8018:19 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Would you like to make a motion?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8818:21 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Sure. I'll make a motion We move item 10

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8018:25 · ≈ 9:18 AM

and Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed18:27 · ≈ 9:18 AM

I just had a question because I did see the undersheriff poking his head in the room if that it might have, you know the question is does this help us avoid some call volume to 911 in the long run? What's sort of the opinion of dispatch on this. Sorry to put you on the spot. We are talking about the 211 system.

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CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction18:56 · ≈ 9:18 AM

If I could just say because Mr. Levin is here and you might want to respond to this because I think during one of our fires folks were redirected As opposed to 9-1-1 so I do think that it does take off some of the capability, the demand thank you. Some of the demand from 9- 1-1.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed19:28 · ≈ 9:19 AM

Supervisors Williams and through the chair and Supervisor Wolf is correct. I don't have statistics in front of me about what it's done in other agencies, but the challenge if you will is determining where that system is going to be answered. But yes, I think it would definitely take some pressure off 9-1-1.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed19:56 · ≈ 9:19 AM

Madam Chair and Supervisors without a doubt 211 has become part of our messaging system during emergencies. It does reduce the impacts on our 911 system but it also reduces the impacts on other systems of even calling into just Thank you Supervisor Adam. Well notwithstanding all of that

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed20:35 · ≈ 9:20 AM

You know you're having service level reductions on many, many things and I don't see just for me anyway you guys are going to go do what you want to do. But for me I don' t see the benefit of this thing being exceeding what you could do with the other things to preserve service levels.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction20:59 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair and I appreciate this discussion and I'm just really, I am very pleased that we are continuing this program. I think one of the notions was is that we have so many services and providers within our county And yet what's the point of having such a vibrant network unless people know where they can get those services and 211 has provided that link. And I think CAC has also done a really good job of you know working with all the partners to clean up that.

I'm You know that we've tried that before and I would agree with Supervisor Labagnino that we continue to talk to our partners but this is such an important service that we didn't have for a while and we saw the impact of that so I would hate to see anything be discontinued or even diminished at this point. Director Peters Supervisor

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8022:20 · ≈ 9:22 AM

Williams

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed22:21 · ≈ 9:22 AM

I just want to speak in agreement with my colleagues, Supervisor Labadino and Wolf. To me the bottom line is a call taker at 211 costs us a lot less than a dispatcher on 911. So to me it's about saving money which sometimes takes spending money.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8022:44 · ≈ 9:22 AM

I had a question for someone and that is, I was here when Supervisor Wolf and now Congressman Carbajal sponsored a forum for farm workers where a variety of state federal and county agencies were describing their program in promoting this 211 as a resource. And so my question is do other agencies participate or is it only for county agencies?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed23:14 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Chair Hartman, 211 is for all agencies. It includes the bulk of our county programs as part of their database but it is all agencies throughout the county and the services are delivered 24-7 in over 107 languages so it is very diverse. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8023:36 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Well I also support the motion and I think anything that can integrate the maze of agencies so someone can call and find their way through is invaluable and particularly for people who whose language isn't English to have that resource we haven't invested in enormous amount in various programs to make that the number to call. So I support the motion as well. Could we have a roll call vote?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed24:04 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Mr. Williams Miss Wolfe

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8024:06 · ≈ 9:24 AM

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed24:07 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Mr. Adam Mr. Lavagnino Ms. Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8024:10 · ≈ 9:24 AM

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed24:11 · ≈ 9:24 AM

motion passes 4 1.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8024:13 · ≈ 9:24 AM

I believe did we have a public speaker on a 20 which we already read into the record that was our honorary resolution

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed24:21 · ≈ 9:24 AM

chair Hartman and members of the board that is correct. We have a public comment Linda Ente on item a 20 which was previously read

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8024:32 · ≈ 9:24 AM

General public comment, okay well thank you. Then may I have a motion to approve the rest of the administrative agenda? So moved. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes the administrative agenda is approved and now we turn to public comment on matters that are not on today's agenda so if there is anything you want to bring to our attention that is within our jurisdiction to address please submit a speaker slip and do we have some in addition or just one

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed25:07 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Chair Hartman, members of the board I also had two announcements to make really quick to add to today's agenda. The first is we posted an addendum on Friday which was adding administrative item A21 from general services it is to consider recommendations regarding San Ynez Valley Airport ACIP 16 project number 8763 federal aviation administration FAA funding in the third district and a correction to item A12 that was A correction to the name and it is an item from Supervisor Hartman to approve the appointment of Anne Glasgow to the Human Services Commission term ending August 18th 2020 in the third district. If we could just add that to our last motion.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction25:51 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Thank you make a motion that we add these last two changes to our admin agenda. Thank

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8025:58 · ≈ 9:25 AM

you. And a second? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Now the administrative agenda stands approved.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:11 · ≈ 9:26 AM

And Chair Hartman members of the board we have seven requests to speak on public comment today and we are going to begin in Santa Barbara with Pat Love to be followed by Ed Kalaski. Pat.

CommentPat LoveProposedself-stated26:35 · ≈ 9:26 AM

My name is Pat Love. Good morning, I'm a resident of Santa Barbara and I would like to talk about conservatorship. Apparently this could be a good law that or potentially Theoretically, but it seems that it's being abused which is connected to elder abuse. So it seems that not only the elders are being abused but the law as well. One way that the elders are being abused is by drugs, psychopropic drugs.

There's various things wrong with drugs. One is they're toxic. Another is they come about by animal cruelty experimentation. Another is they have side effects Quite a while ago I spoke with an elderly woman who has been put on conservatorship, and as I remember she told me that her house was sold to pay legal fees, attorney fees. And don't you think that's terrible?

I thought stealing was illegal Lawyers who do that, I feel should realize that what you do can or does come back to you and it might happen in this life or it might happen in the next. Look what has been happening recently in Houston with Hurricane Harvey. So you don't have to be in some vulnerable or weak situation or position, to lose your house. So you are supervisors so why don't you supervise this situation?

And if you are then why is it happening? You might say, well this is not our area because it's for the court system. But I ask that you do what you can. Thank you for listening.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed29:29 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Our next speaker is Ed Kalaski to be followed by Elizabeth Williams.

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CommentEd KalaskiProposed29:37 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Good morning. The title of my talk today is It's Time for Janet Wolfe to Resign. You know we had, well first of all I got a notice from my health insurance company saying you know it's important that we treat you fairly and certainly not something that has been done here with the local government or with Janet Wolfe. We had a five to two vote after four meetings in favor our project if you can put it up on the board Ken

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed30:10 · ≈ 9:30 AM

Our design.

CommentEd KalaskiProposed30:16 · ≈ 9:30 AM

After the fourth meeting, we were requested to not locate the second story solely over the garage. We had all these minor changes in the first four meetings which we complied with. The fourth meeting, we gotta do something about the second story. Okay, we expanded this second story just as they had requested so it's over the kitchen, the dining room, part of the living room and the laundry room.

They did not want, or three of the members did not want the other four members to see our design. So they told them that we made no changes and they voted 7-0 to kick us out! My architect stood up he wanted to ask a question why are we being rejected? They had Dillon stand up and start screaming at us, siloing, siloing something we had discussed in the previous meetings.

The fourth meeting matter fact He sat down, he sat down. Margaret Dix stands up, same thing. He sits down, he sits down. He stands up. Finally Alex reluctantly goes you're out of here to us we never got to say a single word. You know I read off about 18 items that were either violated the law or violated your own rules and yet Jana Wolf stood up here and just praised SBAR she didn't give a damn about our civil rights You know, I paid for that meeting. I paid for that meeting!

And I'm kicked out? That's against the law. It's against California law and it's against federal law. Is this the way our government is supposed to act? You know, I talk to people and I hear all these rumors and stuff about Janet Wolfe. I should repeat them but I won't right here now. What are we supposed to do here? We come into a fifth meeting and they kick us out. Is this the way our government is supposed to act?

I don't know if you can really see my design there, but... We added 300 square feet to the 400-square foot project, and they said we made no changes. Some of the members said that we made no changes because they never saw our drawings. Ryan Cooksley never saw our drawings. Three weeks after we had submitted them I had to get

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8032:39 · ≈ 9:32 AM

him a new copy. Thank you very much, and I believe Mr. Gazzone, our County Council has something to say.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed32:45 · ≈ 9:32 AM

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, just a reminder that public comment although nothing prevents public speakers from criticizing the board about subject matter items within the subject matter jurisdiction. The general practice is to avoid personal attacks that are not related to subject matter jurisdictions.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8033:03 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Thank you and may we have our next public speaker?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:08 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Yes good morning. Our next speaker is Elizabeth Williams to be followed by Patricia Rosen.

CommentElizabeth WilliamsProposedself-stated33:16 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Good morning, I'm Elizabeth Williams and I'm here to support Linda Kincaid that's speaking in Santa Maria this morning on conservatorship and what's going on. And I stood here four years ago and a few months before my boyfriend passed away under conservatorship. He had lots of money and lots of property and I was his only living person in the United States because he grew up in Sweden and everyone had passed away And he gave me his health care, his HIPAA and I had his will. The executor of it. His only friend and loved one. And the courts decided that two months before he passed away that Sharon Kennedy should be in charge of the person not what Harry Olson wanted but what Sharon Kennedy presented that I was a horrible person, not letting them give Harry these horrible anti-psychotic drugs.

And they kept the poor man drugged all the time and when he'd go to court protest and want to know what happened to his money? They drugged him that morning so... Of course the judge is going to think he's demented because that's what these drugs do. They cause you to have memory problems. Anyway, he passed away two months after they took his health care and the person away from him and gave it to Sharon Kennedy and he was drugged. He was injured where he lived I have pictures you wouldn't believe And I spent $70,000 every cent I had on attorneys that don't dare fight the court system because then they can't win their cases because they're siding against the probate court system.

This needs to stop someplace it's gotta stop. It made an old lady out of me. I watched him be drugged for four years five years is a magic number. The money runs out somehow the conservatorships Get to invest, sell, do whatever they want. Create bank accounts for these people's money and Harry had no one to speak for him but me and they took that away from him and in two months he was dead and when he passed away he had $17,000 in the bank and I protested where is his money?

And they go well Kennedy Court of Attorney and Kennedy's attorney got paid through Harry's last money which was $100,000 about that amount. So you guys need to look into this somebody needs to look over The attorneys, the probate courts and what they're saying about the elderly's families to keep them conserved. It's sinful and it's gonna happen to you guys believe me because they use dementia. Dementia is a magic word for all the probate courts thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed36:21 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Our next speaker is Patricia Rosen to be followed by Brian Rosen

CommentPatricia RosenProposedself-stated36:37 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Hello, I'm Patricia Rosen and I wanted to, I wrote out something I want you to hear because it's very important to me and to other people that were in my situation. I was in a auto accident and my husband was killed. A nice lady came to me and told me that she was my conservator I didn't know what that meant. She explained that she would take care of my home, be sure my bills were paid and she asked me to sign a paper stating that she would take care of everything for me. My melons etc. My husband's pension money went into my bank account. What happened? She was able to withdraw all of my money from my account She said that my home was now her home because of what I signed.

However, the public guardian Arlene Diaz came to my rescue. Thank heavens! She spoke to the judge and no longer was this lady my conservator. It took five years. Thank you, Arlene Diaz." That's all, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed37:52 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Our next speaker is Brian Rosen, and then we're going to come back here to Santa Maria for Linda and T.

CommentBrian RosenProposed38:05 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Hello members of the board. There are a lot of victims of the court system when it comes to professional conservators. The lawyers, the conservators make tons of profit off the estates of people with money while the older person is often neglected. There's every effort to isolate Medicaid and take the estate. While a person under conservatorship retains certain rights such as the right to visitation, that doesn't stop the conservators from telling friends or family that they are not allowed to see the conservative.

I was recently put on the list And I'm not allowed to see Peggy Figg-Hoblin. Before she was put under conservatorship, she would come to my house where I live when we had group meetings on helping the elderly. She was trying to help her brother who was in an abuse of conservatorship with senior planning services. They mistreated her terribly and then assassinated her character in the court record. Now she is under conservatorship with this same outfit and they are protecting her in quotation marks. I would drive her places back then and helped her out but now I am on the forbidden list It is illegal to isolate someone without a court order, but that doesn't stop them and our probate judge Colleen Stern agrees with whatever the conservator wants.

She enables them to have their way and for them and their attorneys to take as much as they want from states. I know because I've been through the system, which is a brutal abusive system to anyone who challenges the injustice of it. It is common for family members or friends to be abused by the judge and the attorneys if they try to speak. And hiring an attorney, if you can afford one, will drain any of your assets and probably be of no avail because a judge has their loyalties.

After my mom finally got out of conservatorship, which took five years to accomplish, there were still some family disputes which fortunately now seem to have dissolved. I filed a petition on my own, avoiding supporting attorneys. My siblings took my mom's estate to court to pay their attorney fees. I claimed the fees were outrageous and were running up bills which in no way benefited my mom. For example, the attorneys mailed petitions to the court the day before court hearings so interested parties couldn't receive notice what it was about until after the hearing was over. I emailed the law firm Mullen and Hansel saying this practice was unethical and that my brother and sister shouldn't be charged for this improper behavior on their part.

The attorneys did conferences on my email racking up another huge bill, and finally took it to court to make my mom's estate pay for this and a lot of other charges that in no way protected my mom's estate as that was their claim. My petition was at the fees my mom' s estate was being taken to court to pay for excessive and absurd. Did the judge listen? No, she gave the attorneys everything they wanted and they went on to abuse me when I protested. The attorney should not have been paid for my mother's estate for the time given in proper notice and conferences regarding my complaint to the law firm but the judge didn't seem to care and $46,000 was taken from my mom's estate which could have been used for her needs. We're all going to get older And we need a system that truly benefits the elderly.

We need to get our priorities right instead of bombing people all over the world and doing wars, we need to take care of our own, our own people, our own elderly. That's how you judge a society and how we treat its weakest members. Please do what you can to help. The courts are corrupt. Thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed41:20 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Now we're going to return back here in Santa Maria for Linda Enti to be followed by Linda Kincaid. All righty, we're going to start with Linda Kincaid to be followed by Linda and T.

GuestLinda KincaidPublic DefenderProposedself-stated41:32 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Thank you. I'm Linda Kincaid with the Coalition for Elder and Disability Rights. What's being handed out to you is a letter from us to Ron Bobo, a public defender, and he is a court-appointed counsel in the conservatorship of William Entie. William is a 25 year old young man. He's not an elder like the stories you've been hearing about but conservatorship can affect younger people as well.

William, 25 now resides in an independent living situation here in Santa Maria. Pretty close to here in fact. William gets up at 530 every morning to get a bus to go to work. William works five days a week he gets a paycheck and he pays rent. Tri-County's regional center determined that William is quote overall self-sufficient although William is overall self-sufficient he's still on a conservatorship I'd like you to look at my letter.

It gives probate code 1801, which gives the standard for conservatorship. The standard in California is that there must be clear and convincing evidence that a person is unable to provide for his personal needs but if we go back to page one William is overall self-sufficient. They don't match and so we're asking Mr. Bobo, William's counsel to file a petition to terminate the conservatorship and to give William back his civil rights but we'd like to go beyond that this conservatorship like the others you heard about Has been characterized by abuse. For the last seven years, William has been largely isolated from his mother at times he's also been isolated from his sister and isolation is a form of abuse whether it's an elder or dependent adult.

We ask that you help bring that abuse to an end. A civil remedy that has been effective in other cases of isolation abuse is a request for a temporary restraining order against isolation abuse. In fact, I've used in my own case, my mom was isolated for over a year and through a temporary restraining order against isolation abuse we got to see by mom again. And we're asking Mr. Bobo to file that petition, but we're asking him to go a step further and also report this abuse to Adult Protective Services and to local law enforcement. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed43:56 · ≈ 9:43 AM

And our final speaker is Linda Entie.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed44:04 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Good morning Supervisors. Thank you for this opportunity to share with you the most tragic and protracted journey that my son and I are being forced to take. Seven years ago, my former spouse unilaterally and without my knowledge or permission placed our son into a Santa Maria level four group home for autistic boys. A few months later, he became a conservator of our son. My son was opposed to the conservatorship and yet he was not present at the hearing.

Neither my daughter nor I were present as notice of hearing was received two days after the actual event. Since that date, I have been allowed little or no visitation with my son. William now resides in a very grim semi-independent living home and is bused daily in order to clean the restrooms at the Gaviota Rest Area. My son is a bright articulate 25 year old man. He has proven that he is capable of taking care of himself.

This conservatorship is in violation of his civil rights and needs to be terminated. Thank you so much for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed45:14 · ≈ 9:45 AM

And that was our final speaker.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8045:16 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Thank you. And with that I close the public comment portion of our hearing. I would like to ask Miss Miyasato could we get a briefing on this issue at some point in the future?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed45:31 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Chair Hartman we can talk to both our public guardian and the public defender about some of the issues raised today and provide some information back to the board.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8045:39 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Thank you. And do we keep contact information of people who testified today so that they can be notified about the date of this hearing?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed45:48 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Yes we do. The clerk at the board does have that information.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8045:51 · ≈ 9:45 AM

Thank you. We're turning now to our departmental agenda but I had a request for a short break so we'll have the staff come up and get ready and we'll take five minute breaks. So after a brief recess we are once again reconvening the August 29 Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in the Santa Maria hearing room. And were turning now to our departmental agenda item number one, Ms. Alexander would you read that into the record please?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed54:42 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number one is from the County Executive Office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a response to the 2016-2017 Grand Jury Report Youth Safety in Santa Maria.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed54:57 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Good morning Madam Chair and members of the board today we're here to respond to the grand jury report It was published June 15th, entitled Youth Safety in Santa Maria Developing a New Strategy. The Board of Supervisors was named as the responder for findings 3 and 5 as well as recommendations 3 and 5. Mayor and City Council, Santa Maria initially refused to cooperate with the 5th District of Santa Barbara County Supervisor in utilizing the $75,000 allocation from the County Board of Supervisors. Our recommendation is that the board responds partially disagreeing with the finding Initially, the mayor and the city declined to collaborate on the utilization of funding but that was due to the structure and composition of their task force was still being completed.

The planning work has been completed and now the task force in the county are working together to discuss the issue and gather public input. Recommendation three is that the Mayor and the City Council strengthen their collaboration with the 5th District County Supervisor and Board of Supervisors to expand ongoing support for the regional program. Our recommended response is that the recommendation has been implemented. The city and the county have been collaborating on this issue, there's been a community forum, there's been several meetings and the fifth district office and the city have retained the services of the executive director of the California City's Violence Prevention Network to work with the task force and create its strategic plan.

Finding five, the County Board of Supervisors has shown support for the development of the program by allocating $75,000 in the budget year that just passed 16-17. Approximately 15,000 remains. Our recommendation is that the board agrees with this finding. The recommendation on this is that the board commit to reserving their remaining $50,000 allocation and continue with annual financial support for the at risk youth program in North County.

Our recommendation is that the response is that this has been implemented in part. At the end of fiscal year 16-17, the remaining funding was allocated or allocated for this program was placed and committed fund balance for future use. Future annual financial support would be considered and recommended as part of the normal budget development process and is also dependent upon available discretionary funding.

Just a reminder of the recommended actions. Adopt the responses in attachment A as the board's official response to the grand jury report, authorize the chair to sign the response letter and also determine that pursuant to CEQA guidelines this is not a project.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8057:53 · ≈ 9:57 AM

Thank you do we have any questions from the Board of Supervisors? Supervisor Lovanino I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8857:57 · ≈ 9:57 AM

don't have any questions but comment I guess so First off, I want to thank the grand jury for taking a look at this. It wasn't any request of mine but this is probably one of the top five issues affecting our county right now and especially in my district it's huge. And as you know the grand jury report states we did get off to a rocky start. I had a vision of what I thought it was going to be and the city of Santa Maria had a different vision of what it was going to be and It has to be the city as the lead agency in driving this thing. And so I really appreciate the fact that the mayor and the City Council have put together the Mayor's Task Force. We've now working collaboratively, and the county is a huge player.

We have a lot of our top department heads, elected officials, and I think a lot of our departments are represented on the Mayor's Task Force on the policy committee. So while it did get off to a little bit of a rocky start I think we are moving in the right direction and we have been receiving a lot of public input. It's been a very transparent process and I think we're moving forward. The interesting thing though as we move forward is You know we've heard it's interesting because you know we've heard that the focus should be on zero to five year olds. Some people have said, you know, because we've got a look at prevention others have said that we've got to look at the kids coming out of juvenile hall talk about reentry some want to see us do more education for parents get them more involved in their children's lives Some are calling for more youth recreational activities.

They want to build a soccer complex, keep the kids engaged that way and the reality is they're all right and it's just a huge lift, it's a huge chore but this has to be a commitment that we make going forward so I appreciate that the board has Allocated money in past years and. You know we'll be looking to match whatever we do for the South Coast Youth Task Force but as of right now you know we've I think the money was spent wisely. We've instead of just trying to attack this thing from all angles we actually have a coordinator that came in Mr. Ernesto Olivares from Santa Rosa retired police officer and also a member of the city council in Santa Rosa and they've done what's called the California prevention Thank you.

You know, the grand jury report came out a little stronger than I anticipated. But I will just want to let everybody know that we're working collaboratively and appreciate the mayor and the city council for what they are attempting to do in Santa Maria.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:01:02 · ≈ 10:01 AM

I just want to appreciate your efforts and of course the efforts of law enforcement and folks that are involved in prevention, non-profits because obviously the most basic function of government is to make people safe enough to live their lives. So I want to encourage that effort Hopefully encourage the cooperation that can help achieve that end.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:01:36 · ≈ 10:01 AM

I just wanted to add, I read a comment from the Santa Maria police chief at one point. We can't arrest our way out of this and the entire community has stepped up and I appreciate too Supervisor Lavanino's leadership in this but it really does take the network that a community weaves to support its children in all the ways you mentioned so with that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:02:00 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Can I make a motion? Yeah I just

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:02:02 · ≈ 10:02 AM

want to make

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:02:03 · ≈ 10:02 AM

a public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:02:04 · ≈ 10:02 AM

If there is any. Chair Hartman members of the board we do not have any requests to speak on

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:02:08 · ≈ 10:02 AM

this item. So I'll make a motion that we receive the grand jury report and make, I mean not receive the grand jury report but that we move forward with the recommended actions adopt the responses.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:02:19 · ≈ 10:02 AM

And may I have a second?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:02:21 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Second.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:02:22 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes Ms. Alexander would you read item number two into our agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:02:35 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number two is from the County Executive Office and General Services. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a response to the 2016-2017 grand jury report public safety radio coverage

CommentJeanette PellProposedself-stated1:02:51 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Good morning Chairman Hartman members of the board. I'm Jeanette Pell general services director and today I'm going to report on the grand jury report titled public safety radio coverage. So, on June 19th 2017 the grand jury released a report titled Public Safety Radio Coverage where results of their review of the status and issues with the county's current public safety radios were identified. Today I will go through the findings and recommendations where the Board of Supervisors was named as responders Finding three.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies in the Kiyama area are operating in a rural area with extremely poor radio communications. The board partially disagrees with the finding. Approximately two thirds of the Kiyama Valley is covered by radio transmission and additional site in the Kiyama would provide stronger signals and more complete coverage, and will be part of the ongoing strategy to evaluate all coverage areas.

Recommendation 3 states that the Sheriff's Office should join with the Santa Barbara and Ventura County Fire Departments to install a radio tower in Kern County to ensure all agencies are able to communicate throughout the Kiyama area. The recommendation will not be implemented. There are other options to be explored, including establishing a new transmission site in Santa Barbara County at Fire Station 41 on a more elevated platform using privately owned property or develop the Pallado Peak Site. The Pallado Peak Site has been identified as a location for a longer term multi-year project Finding four states most public safety agencies in Santa Barbara County are not using the 700 megahertz radio band.

The board agrees with the finding. Recommendation 4 states that the County Board of Supervisors upgrade all Santa Barbara County Public Safety radios to the 700 megahertz band as recommended by the FCC and the State of California. The recommendation will not be implemented. The county will be selecting a vendor next week to develop a comprehensive public radio system upgrade plan. A vendor contract should be before your board in October 2017.

The selected vendor will identify the county's needs while maintaining connectivity with its mutual aid partners. Moving to the 700 megahertz band option will be one of several options considered. This long-term multiyear project will require substantial analysis and funding. In the meantime, several projects to improve public safety radio coverage are underway using funding that was provided during the budget hearings.

The recommended actions for this item are consider and adopt responses in attachment A as the board's response to the 2016-17 grand jury report entitled public safety radio coverage. Authorize the chair to sign a response letter and forward the response to the presiding judge of the Superior Court, and determine pursuant to CEQA guidelines that the above actions are not a project subject to CEQUA review. And that concludes my presentation.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:06:35 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Thank you Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair Ms. Pell could you go back to slide three and in the section where the board partially disagrees with this finding I think you read maybe I just misheard it but I think you added something that's not on this slide that you added after coverage Is there more was there more to this statement than?

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CommentJeanette PellProposedself-stated1:07:12 · ≈ 10:07 AM

Well I did add the part that it's an ongoing strategy. So we went out with an RFP to actually put a plan together on how to improve our radio communications and so that was the part I added, that we understand that you know it could be better But we want to look at multiple solutions, not just the one that the grand jury recommended which was to partner with Santa Barbara and Ventura Fire

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:07:43 · ≈ 10:07 AM

Departments. So the reason I raise it is because I think it's important to add what you said into our formal response. If that's what we're doing because the way it looks there it said yes an additional site would be nice but we're not doing anything. But it sounds like we are right? It's more long term but yes so that that's just a suggestion to add that to the response.

Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:08:14 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Are there any other board questions or comments? Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:08:20 · ≈ 10:08 AM

To me on the question of whether to go to the 700 megahertz, to me it's more a question of our partners. Who are potential partners in either consolidation of dispatch with the Sheriff's Department or the Fire Department? Is willing to consolidate with us and if. To me that's the biggest question of whether whether to do that or not. And so I hope that decision wouldn't be made in isolation from and it seems from your response to the grand jury that if it is not going to be made in isolation without consultation.

CommentJeanette PellProposedself-stated1:09:06 · ≈ 10:09 AM

That's correct we need to maintain interoperability

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:09:13 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Seeing no more lights on up here could we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:09:16 · ≈ 10:09 AM

go to public comment? Chair Hartman, members of the board we have no request to speak on this item.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:09:21 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Okay Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair I'd like to move this item with a request that the statement on the finding number three just be expanded as was noted by Ms. Pell during her presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:09:36 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Second.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:09:37 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Any further

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:09:38 · ≈ 10:09 AM

discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Item number three.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:09:49 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number three is from the county executive office it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Whittier fire burn area emergency response bear report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:10:16 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Thank you, Madam Chair and Supervisors. Today what we'd like to do is have a presentation by the Los Padres Forest on a burn area emergency response analysis that was conducted with me today is Kevin Cooper who's a biologist for the Los Padres National Forest and he was the lead on the BEAR team under the direction of the forest supervisor Also with me is Fred Crease from Flood Control, and I see that Chief Eric Peterson is here as well as our Ag Commissioner Kathy Fisher. And all of us will be available following for any questions that you have in regard to this analysis.

On July 25th the Bayer team convened and a dozen or so scientists all came together to do an analysis. This is a common practice by the U.S. Forest Service This is a process that the forest does to be able to protect their lands. Our partners in this county, Los Padres Forest also does an analysis of lands that are off the forest and we greatly appreciate this effort. And then they meet with us and we discuss all of the impacts and then it's on the county's responsibility as well as private landowners and other agencies such as Bureau of Reclamation to come up with mitigations.

So with that what I'd like to do is turn over to Mr. Cooper to give his presentation.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:12:01 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Good morning, Madam Chair and Supervisors. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you about our burned area emergency response effort from Los Padres National Forest and our cooperative effort with Office of Emergency Management and several other groups notably Natural Resources Conservation Service, NOAA Weather Service and Bureau of Reclamation We come together as a Forest Service team. We had about 10 folks, as Rob said and we assess the conditions of the fire, the post-fire flood conditions caused by the lack of vegetation on the Whittier Fire.

Specifically, we look at the increases in water flows from those canyons, the increase in erosion off the surface of those burned areas and also the potential for debris flows which are a mixture of rock and gravel Water that comes down similar to what we saw in El Capitan last winter. We use something called the Bark Map, the Burnt Air Reflections Classification Map. It's generated by satellite imagery and from that we do our ground surveys and come up with a soil burn severity map.

From this soil burn severity, the soil effects, we can understand what happening with watershed and we delineate it by watersheds and we look at the threats to human life and safety primarily and property and also natural and cultural resources. And from that we propose treatments on National Forest Service lands, and we share all this information in these technical details with our neighbors so that they can come up with treatments on their own properties. It's a rapid assessment it takes seven days. We need to get this done quickly so that we can come up with a response in time for the rainy season.

The soil assessment is done, it's critical to the assessment to understand how much heat was imparted to the soil because it changes those characteristics and essentially this is what causes the changes in the watershed so as you can see some areas have organic material and some are burned very very hot. This fire had a lot of heavy vegetation and therefore the result was a lot of high soil burn severity which you see in the red here and the moderate in yellow That is a very high amount of intensely burned areas on very, very steep slopes as you know on the Camino Cielo there.

The results were that this is expected watershed response. On the left you see the soil burn severity map again with the watersheds delineated out and on the right it's indicated those areas of high watershed response and this is the water that's going to come off so the increase in flows The red is the high severity areas, and that is in Tequepas and Duval Canyons. And those are completely burned under high severity, so we expect to see a lot of runoff into those. Those emanate into Cochuma Reservoir.

On the south side, we see El Capitan in yellow, and that had issues last year. It will again this year. We do see a lower response from the other canyons, Gato, Dos Pueblos, and Tecolote. But those will be increased also. The geologic hazards are particularly on the north side of the fire will be very intense. As you can see in the bottom picture, that's called a debris flow and that occurs when we have pre-saturation from existing rains and then a rainstorm of a half inch plus per hour even for 15 minutes can kick off this and create this debris flow which is a large amount of solid materials that comes down and deposits these. Most of that north slope is covered with these ancient debris flows So the situation is that it's set up for these to occur again if the rain is intense.

That's the wild card here, we don't know what the rain will be but that is the card that has not been dealt that will determine how much material is moved from this area. The geologic hazards are of course surface erosion, dry gravel is coming down right now. That's just gravels coming down off the slope because of lack of vegetation holding it back. Same with rockfall landslides and slope failures you can see in the upper picture there where it's lighter colored and of course the debris flows which is in that lower picture This is a map of the geological hazards, that's potentially those areas for debris flow especially as you can see in red on the north slope. Those are likely to cause immense amounts of sediment to move down those slopes in the event of heavy rain and those could come down and impact Highway 154 and affect those culverts.

We have been working with Caltrans and they're aware of this situation. It will also affect Kachuma Reservoir. The values at risk that we looked at specifically were the coastal communities, El Capitan, Los Pueblos and Tecolote Canyons. The Circle V Ranch and Allegro Boy Scout Camp and private landowners on the north side. Of course Highway 154, the underpasses there and Highway 101.

And one of the more important issues was water quality in drinking water for Santa Barbara and the sedimentation and the loss of capacity in Lake Achuma. Let me move to this final map here and go back to that other photo. Mr.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:17:09 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Cooper may I interrupt just a moment? Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:17:11 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Adam

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:17:12 · ≈ 10:17 AM

has a question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:17:12 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Oh certainly if we could go back to the last slide. This one here, this one or the one more.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:17:22 · ≈ 10:17 AM

That's the one. So what do you mean 154 and 101 have undersized culverts?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:17:28 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Well, the culverts were not undersized until this event and now they will not be able to maintain the flows of those debris flows so as what happens is that those large rocks and debris come down and carry Thank you very much. from behind 154. There's quite a bit of storage capacity behind 154, so we don't expect those debris flows to jump right over the highway immediately but it still represents a threat to the structure of the highway and that base material.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:18:13 · ≈ 10:18 AM

Are they the same kind of culverts over there like the concrete

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:18:18 · ≈ 10:18 AM

box culverts? Yes, box culverts under about 10 foot box culverts under 154. There's even some smaller ones and some of the smaller drainages for instance above the intake for Lake Kachuma. And Caltrans is aware of all this and they've got contingencies to keep them cleared. They are very aware of it, we've met with them directly and they were invited as part of the cooperators I have not heard their details of their contingencies but...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:18:46 · ≈ 10:18 AM

Supervisor, Madam Chair, we did meet separately just a week or so ago with Caltrans Very clear on the impacts at their highways, and they were very receptive to understanding that situation And I think they're already taking some actions. I don't know specifically what those are but They have our part of our team on looking at this

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:19:08 · ≈ 10:19 AM

Well I don't think there's a whole lot they can do at this point just to make sure that the culverts are clear and then be very vigilant during those rain events. That when the tree goes and gets lodged in that culvert, they're going to have to have some equipment standing by to yank it out because once it gets covered up with water they're never gonna get it out of there and then it's fait accompli that the water is eventually gonna go over the road and wash the whole thing out

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:19:37 · ≈ 10:19 AM

so... In addition to the concerns about the culverts, we also discussed the issues of large rocks coming onto Highway 154 during major storms. Now that the brush is no longer there to hold those rocks in place therefore they were going to go back and do some analysis on whether to take precautionary closures prior to significant weather events.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:20:01 · ≈ 10:20 AM

Yeah and you know that frankly might make it a little easier to keep it maintained than trying to have traffic rolling through there at the same time you're trying to drive excavators or whatever they got to do off the edge to get the tree or the rock out of the way. So anyway thank you.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:20:21 · ≈ 10:20 AM

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you thank you supervisor Adam for bringing that up and also on that slide there was the issue about the drinking water and I'd like you to expand upon that and what are the contingency plans?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:20:33 · ≈ 10:20 AM

Yes, let me go here. This slide shows Lake Chuma and the watershed that affects Lake Chuma that was burned is in as outlined in the yellow there. The land ownership within that has shown the Forest Service's green, the white areas are private and the beige is Bureau of Reclamation. So we did analysis of what was feasible to treat with slope treatments. In other words, hydro-mulching or wood straw or some other treatment that protect that soil. Not all areas are treatable.

It only works on certain slopes. It doesn't work on really steep slopes and there are some limitations as to what it can do but the areas marked in blue are the areas that were potential to be treated. Total was about 1900 acres And we calculated the savings in sedimentation that would be entered into the lake and of course, the water quality savings there too.

Relatively small unfortunately based on what we have the total potential areas to treat but we brought this forward to Tom Farrum and everyone the other Lake And proposed that to our Washington regional office that we do some hydro mulching. Even though it's a very small amount, we understand that water capacity is very important to the county. So the Forest Service brought that forward but our Washington policy is that we are not able to pay for that hydro mulching on forest. We can only treat values at risk that occur within our boundaries.

But we are still receptive to that hydro-mulching taking place if the Kachuma Board feels that is a valuable thing to do. So as I said, it's only about 5 acre feet or so for a storm that's going to be saved out of this relatively small amount but we leave it up to the lake water purveyors to determine if that's worth it. So we brought that forward as trying to be good neighbors and do something helpful for the lake. However, that was not in the cards and was denied by the Washington office.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:22:45 · ≈ 10:22 AM

Supervisor Wolf I think you had an additional follow-up and I also had some questions.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:22:51 · ≈ 10:22 AM

Well thank you for that information but honestly it's very concerning. You folks have made a recommendation, I think your team sounds like you've made a recommendation on basically a mitigation for the potential Degraded water and yet your Washington office has Not authorized it Is there any follow-up that and then you refer to the Kachuma board? I'm wondering what this board can do as far as our legislative committee writing a letter and I mean, what is your suggestion? I mean this just seems quite unreasonable and I know miss mode is here. Thank you for being here because I'm I'm sure that you'll take this information back to our Congressman Carbajal and see what can be done because this obviously is a very important issue that we need to address.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:23:53 · ≈ 10:23 AM

Okay

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:23:54 · ≈ 10:23 AM

and will you send the letter to our staff so we can follow up as well? But in the meantime I mean the rainy season would be upon us potentially soon. So how much would this cost?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:24:12 · ≈ 10:24 AM

The cost that we've calculated it's quite expensive so it's around $3,500 to $7,000 per acre. So the cost that the full area that we saw marked in blue was about I believe it was $14 million. So if we looked at a smaller amount of that, we could use the highest soil erosivity areas and it would cut that down to maybe $8 million so it's quite expensive and the savings were relatively small from that unfortunately the treatable areas The country doesn't offer a lot of areas that are treatable, but we understand that even small amounts are important. So I would suggest this same situation has occurred elsewhere in California and you know we've negotiated back the Washington office has negotiated some treatments but generally the Washington office my understanding is that they require that the entities pay for that on the national forest lands so But I encourage you to write letters.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:25:19 · ≈ 10:25 AM

And I have a follow-up question first of all, I just want to make sure I understand what you just said that it would be between 8 and 14 million dollars to hydroseed and that would only be a small portion of the erodible areas into Lake Kachuma our major drinking water supply?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25:37 · ≈ 10:25 AM

That's correct

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:25:38 · ≈ 10:25 AM

This may be for Mr. Levin, but what happens to our drinking water when ash and the soil erode? What does this do to the treatment facilities and what's worst case scenario and what are we doing to address this?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:25:56 · ≈ 10:25 AM

I'm going to just touch it and then I'm going to pass this off to Ms. Crease, but we have the same situation occur on the Ray Fire where we had large amounts of carbon end up in that reservoir which of course impacted the Santa Barbara City water source. The question is do you try to prevent the carbon from going into the lake or do you try to treat the carbon afterwards? And we did apply for, the city applied for funding from FEMA to try to get some funding to help them on the treatment side and that hasn't been decided yet whether that's gonna come. That was following the storms of last winter and I don't know, do you want to jump in on that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:26:39 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Yeah Chair Hartman supervisors that the member units are aware of the potential water quality impacts to the lake and are taking steps to try to address those. It could be that they do something like not take Kachuma water and until the material is settled out but they're still investigating several ways of looking at how to mitigate that impact for their their water treatment plants.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:27:10 · ≈ 10:27 AM

And will you report back to us at some point about what's found? Thank you. Sure. Supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:27:21 · ≈ 10:27 AM

It just seems like that's an immense amount of money to be talking about I mean it's just so much that especially from the county level maybe it's chump change for the feds but for around here that's More than we could even fathom. It seems like there ought to be some type of a strategy that's maybe a little less effective but much more affordable, like aerial application of seed before some rain events or something at least because the problem Correct me if I'm wrong, is that we've burned up the seed and the epidermis of the soil if you will because it was so hot right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:28:07 · ≈ 10:28 AM

The seed sources are generally there. We see a really good recovery after about two years normally without having to introduce seed. We used to do that and we found out through our studies that we were actually worsening some of the situations by putting non-native seed out there It generally recovers best on its own with good rainfall. So in about two years we expect that those sedimentation rates to drop within three years, three to five years depending on the rainfall to get back to our basic base levels of sedimentation so we expect the recovery to occur quite rapidly and naturally around this area but on this first year or two it could be significant.

The treatments that we've tried and we've been doing this in this local area for a long time Thank you. It's very expensive treatment. It's fairly effective for the first two years on the specific areas you put them, but again, the treatable areas that we are looking at are relatively small and we've still got that sediment load coming from debris flows and other issues from the fire.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:29:30 · ≈ 10:29 AM

And my final question is, are we doing same type of analysis for the Alamo Fire?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:29:36 · ≈ 10:29 AM

The Forest Service lands were not unfortunately burned in one sense and so the bear teams were not instigated. It's not on our property, so it would fall to the state to conduct some other analysis there and I have not heard that they have done that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:29:52 · ≈ 10:29 AM

I think the Bureau of Reclamation owns at least the dam, if not the land behind the dam in that case as well. So I know you can't speak for them but maybe somebody should be looking at that too because it's the same situation there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:30:13 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Mr. Lewin? Chairman and Supervisors, we did talk with Cal Fire who was responsible for the fire. In some occasions they will put together a team similar to a bear but it's much more rare generally speaking their lands that they have are less steep and of course they're private lands In this case, there was nothing that they saw that rose to the level for instituting a team similar to a B.E.A.R. team.

We did also, and maybe Ms. Crease wants to talk too, we just did recently have a meeting with the folks from Twitchell Reservoir and the Bureau of Reclamation and Army Corps.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:30:51 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Thank you. The amount of watershed that was burned was relatively small in that fire, the watershed that serves Twitchell. Generally it's surrounded by grassland and is not as steep and the rainfall is much less and the rainfall intensity is much less so there's less of an impact to Twitchell Reservoir And in talking with the Santa Maria Valley Water Conservation District, there's no intent to do any treatment on those areas or in those private lands.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:31:39 · ≈ 10:31 AM

OK one more question if you'll indulge me. Are we taking that into account this year for the silver iodide to cloud seeding? We're not going to be doing that. Chair Hartman,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:31:49 · ≈ 10:31 AM

Supervisor Adam there will not be a cloud seeding program in the Santa Ynez watershed but the North Coast cooperating partners the north county cooperating partners still want a ground cloud seeding program.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:32:02 · ≈ 10:32 AM

Because usually that occurs from right in the center of that fire up at the apex of that. From my understanding it's up at the top of that hill is where you usually.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:32:12 · ≈ 10:32 AM

I'm sorry for which fire?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:32:16 · ≈ 10:32 AM

From the Alamo.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:32:18 · ≈ 10:32 AM

So for the Alamo Fire, the target area is the watershed that serves Twitchell so that treatment will be mostly occurring up watershed of the reservoir and not directly on the burn area.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:32:34 · ≈ 10:32 AM

Okay. Even though it may be applied from within the burn area?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:32:40 · ≈ 10:32 AM

The application sources are not located directly in the burn area. They're strategically, the ground operation sites are strategically located along typically along ridges to the north of our county so for any particular water weather system the models of how the storm is proceeding is analyzed and they choose how to release that material depending on the weather conditions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:33:08 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Okay maybe I can get a tutorial off site or offline. Thank you.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:33:17 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Mr. Cooper, would you like to continue?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:33:19 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Certainly I just have this last slide that talks about the wintry treatments on the National Forest Service lands so we just talked about pursuing the hella mulching in the high erosion areas of the forest We're also doing noxious weed detection survey as you know when we have a lot of equipment that comes in from around the state and noxious weeds is an issue here in the county so that we will be detecting and looking for those infestations and treating them over the next spring when they'll start to grow We're road store proofing and we're closing some of the roads along the top because of the hazards from rockfall and erosion.

Those are not, there will still be access to the communication sites up top but public access along those roads will close for the wintertime. Same with a single trail that goes through that area they'll be stormproofed and then closed for safety for the wintertime. Protection and safety treatments such as gates and signs will be installed. And along those lines, we're also have worked with NOAA Weather Service and using our information they've come up with a warning and watch. Is that the correct? Watch and warning.

That will be implemented through their, I believe through their offices for the area. When a storm comes there'll be notifications for everyone. We're continuing with the interagency coordination and I want to thank Rob Lewin and OEM for helping us out and housing us during our analysis there. We have fisheries recommendations. I know that there's a fisheries issue with the reservoir and in Hilton Creek, so we're speaking with the fisheries folks from there.

And that's mostly to probably take those fisheries out until the hazards pass and put them in some kind of hatchery situation and bring them back. And then we'll be monitoring the treatment effectiveness and seeing how it does on our lands. And that is all I have. This last slide was the same again.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:35:10 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Thank you very much.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:35:11 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Supervisor Lavanino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:35:12 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Thank you, Madam Chair. I had a question for Mr. Cooper. So I don't know definitely not an expert in this so when you have a hotter fire you can damage the soil more than...so I guess my question is I'm trying to get to do you have an opinion on controlled burns and did they burn as hot? Did they do the same sort of damage that out-of-control wildfire

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:35:37 · ≈ 10:35 AM

No, it's a good point. As a matter of fact we are working on fuels programs because we intend for those to burn at a lower intensity and have less soil impacts from it so that's one of our plans is through our fuels program on the Los Padres to reduce that potential impact.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:35:51 · ≈ 10:35 AM

So maybe you could talk about that just a little bit because I know I've got some interested constituents about a fuels program and is that evolving or where are we now what are we looking at based on what we've seen just over the last couple years here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:36:05 · ≈ 10:36 AM

So we have a new fuels program manager, Nick Elmquist who I work with who's working on a plan in that area to come up with some proposed treatments to reduce the fuel loading in there. That's evolving it's very significant and difficult to get through that planning process but we are working through that yes and with the intent of reducing the severity and potential erosion effects from wildfires in future

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:36:30 · ≈ 10:36 AM

OK great. I know I think we're bringing back I think Chief Peterson at some point our CEO's office is going to bring back a controlled burn item to our to our board it would be nice if you could participate as well as certainly. OK very good thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:36:45 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:36:46 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Yeah, can we go by that fishery recommendation one more time? Certainly. Did I understand you correctly that you would like to see all the fish removed taken to a hatchery and then brought back after the period of danger has passed? And that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:37:05 · ≈ 10:37 AM

period would be what? The period would probably be one to two years while the sedimentation, particularly those debris flows which are huge impacts. They fill in all the pools and take out all the breeding and wipe out the fisheries. If we get intense rains that's typically what's going to happen in that kind of country so the best protection you really are not able to stop those debris flows if they're going to emanate there's in that steep country there's not a treatment that we know of that can stop those So, the likelihood is that those fisheries will be taken out. And it is quite easy not to get all the fish but to get a sample of them and raise them and keep them so that genetic stock can be returned back in once those sediments have cleared enough to allow them to survive.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:37:51 · ≈ 10:37 AM

So would you expect the pools to reestablish themselves?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:37:55 · ≈ 10:37 AM

They will eventually yes depending on how much rain occurs and how much you know that the pattern of regrowth and then future rains that they clear out that sediment out. This is a recurring pattern in these coastal streams, the fisheries are adapted to it but of course with less and less habitat available it's more important to protect those areas we have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:38:14 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Okay thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:38:17 · ≈ 10:38 AM

I had a comment about your noxious weed survey. The Santa Barbara Botanical Garden has a grant, I don't know if you're coordinating with them but they are an eight three-day pack trips to survey previous burn damage and plant life so it seems like coordinating would make sense.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:38:40 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Yes we do coordinate with them where they are good partners of ours yes thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:38:43 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Glad to hear it thank you Seeing no more lights up here we're ready to go to public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:38:49 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Chair Hartman and members of the board we have one request to speak on this item and that's Andy Caldwell.

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PresenterAndy CaldwellColabProposedself-stated1:39:03 · ≈ 10:39 AM

Madam chair, members of the board I'm Andy Caldwell representing Colab. This is another example I believe of a flawed worldview that determines land use policies. And that world view is that Mother Nature is benign the mother nature is sacred and that man should keep its hands off its machinery out and it's footprint away from this sacred ecosystem. Well Mother Nature is not only not benign Mother Nature is a serial killer.

And we need to start recognizing that, I think the hurricane slash rainstorm in Houston is the latest example but the bottom line we almost lost between 50-100 children's lives by way of a fire. And now you're threatening to lose your water supply and the two main highways serving access to Santa Barbara Highway and Freeway. It's a disaster, what these guys are telling you is there is a disaster coming unless we pray for drought and those prayers are heard.

If we get significant rainstorm early on within the next year or two you're going to have an unmitigated disaster on your hands. And the question is and what we keep trying to ask, and we've been asking this for 20 years was for you to reflect on the policies. You don't let people manage their property. The feds don't manage their property And you don't manage the interface between those properties by way of values, priorities and policies.

You don't let people create fuel breaks it's you know they'd have to get a grading permit they'd have to go through an EIR process to deal with all the sensitive habitat they've disturbed. The federal government on the one hand tells you we're going to do control burns well if they had been doing control burns we wouldn't be in this situation we're in right now.

If you allow people to get in part of this is going to require state changes as well allowed the private sector people to do control burns. We need to create a mosaic that you don't have the whole watershed the entire watershed burned up to a crisp to the point that the soil has become sterilized so again we ask you to not just look at the issue of What you are doing but your world view in terms of the fact that nature needs to be managed or you're going to have one catastrophe after another on your hands. Something needs to change to break this cycle of floods and fires. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:42:09 · ≈ 10:42 AM

And that was our final speaker. OK so I close public comment bring it back to the board are there any final questions comments? May I? Supervisor Wolf and then Supervisor Adler.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:42:20 · ≈ 10:42 AM

Thank you Madam Chair. You know I'm looking in the report under the water quality section and there is also the potential for Risk at the Exxon Mobil processing plant at the confluence of Las Flores Canyon and Canyada Del Corral. Can you explain that piece and how that relates to water quality?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:42:53 · ≈ 10:42 AM

Let me explain to you without looking at the report that there is a potential for the increased sediment flows and debris flows to come down. I think it's La Canyada Canyon into that oil facility. So last year, the Sherpa fire burned on the other branch that comes into that facility and they had the same issues as we saw in El Capitan. So that did threaten some of the structures they had. We had spoken to them prior to that and they were prepared for it and they kept those culverts and everything else, those underpasses cleaned out and saved their facility so we did speak with them again this year. They have the same issue has arisen again because another watershed's burned more And so we spoke to them about continuing those efforts to keep those facilities safe by clearing out those underpasses and bridges.

So it's more of a water, sedimentation issue than it is the water quality itself.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:43:43 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Okay thank you Madam Chair.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:43:46 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Okay may I have a motion? Oh Supervisor Adam I'm sorry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:43:50 · ≈ 10:43 AM

Well first of all, I just want to say that it just goes to show you how important it is that we take care of these things at the time and place of our choosing and choosing the conditions under which it doesn't do as much damage. And so I think going forward hopefully we can get some more support for some control burns. And I know that's something that Chief Peterson is gonna be working on in the future.

And with that then I'll make a motion Adopt staff recommendations.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:44:23 · ≈ 10:44 AM

May I have a second? All in favor say aye. Any opposed the motion passes. Can I just make a statement

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:44:31 · ≈ 10:44 AM

of course just following up on what you said Chair Hartman and that is that we ask our water agency to come back with a contingency plan on this issue of Lake Kachuma and water quality In the event that we don't get assistance from anyone, what are our plans for that? Thank you.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:44:59 · ≈ 10:44 AM

Okay thank you very much and thank you Mr. Cooper for coming away from your regular job to talk to us. Before we go to item number four will take a five minute break request up here so and then we'll be right back.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:45:59 · ≈ 10:45 AM

Okay. Okay. Hi. You. Yeah. Yeah.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:55:15 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Okay Supervisor Williams has taken his car from the electric charging station so we can after recess get this August 29, 2017 Board of Supervisors meeting back underway.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:55:32 · ≈ 10:55 AM

That means if anybody wasn't able to charge there is now an open charging spot.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:55:37 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Thanks for that announcement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:55:38 · ≈ 10:55 AM

I drove my gas guzzler to offset the savings that Supervisor Williams had.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:55:43 · ≈ 10:55 AM

I assume your votes are the same. Ms. Alexander would you read item 4 into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:55:51 · ≈ 10:55 AM

Director Harris. Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number four is from planning and development it is a hearing to consider the appeal filed by Rancho La Laguna LLC and La Laguna Ranch Company LLC of the Planning Commission's May 31st 2017 denial of the Rancho La Laguna track map and state small water system project case numbers 6 TRM 2 TM 14 7 0 9 and 16 CUP 30 assessor's parcels number 1 3 3 8 0 2 6 1 3 three eight zero three six and portion of one three three eight zero three seven located at the intersection of Aliso Canyon and Fox and Canyon roads approximately seven point five miles northeast of Los Alamos in the third and fifth districts.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:56:37 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Thank you. And do any board members have ex parte matters they would like to report?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.881:56:48 · ≈ 10:56 AM

Well I don't know how far we have to go back. Thank you Madam Chair but might have been five or six years ago that I actually visited the site when a long time ago but recently I just had a meeting this last week with Susan Petrovich, Tish Baltarena, Chip Hanley, Chuck Roven discussing the project and also last night I had a phone call Mr. Ken Huff of SBCAN.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:57:11 · ≈ 10:57 AM

Thank You. Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:57:15 · ≈ 10:57 AM

I have had ex parte communications with the Hanley's, the Rovans, Ken Huff, Susan Petrovich, Linda Kropp, Carla Frisk. I think that is the extent of it. Oh and a member of the agricultural advisory committee for the first district.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction1:57:39 · ≈ 10:57 AM

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair on August 25 my staff member Naomi Kovacs and I met with Susan Petrovich, Chip Hanley, Charles Robin, Jesse Van Gogh and Tish Beltrina we spent time reviewing the project a large map was presented and we reviewed the project. On August 28 my staff member Naomi Kovacs and I met with Linda Kropp from EDC. And then I have received as all of us have emails and if there were ones that were sent to me, I submitted them to the clerk at the board. Thank you. Supervisor Atom?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:58:26 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Yeah on August 21st I met with Tish Beltranena, Chip Hanley, Chuck and Stephanie Robins, Susan Petrovich. And then there was a February 14th 2013 meeting with Ms. Beltranena and Chip Hanley.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:58:46 · ≈ 10:58 AM

Okay and I would like to report that I also met last week with Ms. Petrovich and the applicants and Tish Beltranina as well, I also met with Carla Frisk and Linda Kropp And the studies that were submitted yesterday into the record, I did review some of those. In addition, I found another, the California Department of Conservation Commission to study the impacts of farmland conversion in California 1991 that reviewed 247 environmental impact reports and found that the impact reports In the past have failed to identify or substantially mitigate most of the adverse impacts that commonly result from farmland conversion.

So I would like to describe the process. This is a quasi judicial proceeding and the rights of everyone involved are very important so this is a sober matter. We will hear first from our staff, they will make a presentation then the appellant represented by Ms. Petrovich will make a 25 minute presentation And the board can ask questions during those presentations. Then we will go to public comment, close public comment come back to the appellant Ms. Petrovich for rebuttal then staff response and then we go into board deliberation so that is the process and with that I think we are ready for Ms. Edie's staff presentation. Dr. Russell you want to introduce the team first I gather?

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction2:00:29 · ≈ 11:00 AM

Thank you Chair Hartman, Supervisors. So today we have Deputy Director Jeff Wilson, Senior Planner Dana Eadie, Supervising Planner John Zorovich. I also should mention that the Ag Commissioner Kathy Fisher is here today in the event that there are questions for her and with that will turn it over to Dana to make the presentation.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:01:00 · ≈ 11:01 AM

Good morning Madam Chair and Supervisors. The item I am presenting to your board this morning is an appeal of the Planning Commission's decision on May 31st to deny the Rancho La Laguna Tract Map and Water System project. Rancho La Laguna shown here highlighted in yellow is a 3,900 acre site located approximately seven and a half miles northeast of Los Alamos at the intersection of Aliso Canyon Road and Foxman Canyon Road. The project site is located in a rural area of the county which is utilized for cattle grazing agricultural cultivation low-intensity residential development that is consisting mainly of single family dwellings and some ag accessory structures The project description includes a tract map to subdivide the existing 3,900-acre project site into 13 lots ranging in size from 160 acres to approximately 600 acres in size.

Each lot would contain a Residential Development Envelope or RDE in which all future residential development would be required to be located. The RDEs range in size from a minimum of approximately 2 acres on Lot 13 up to 15 acres on Lot 3 Agricultural structures and uses could be permitted outside of the boundaries of the RDEs. A conditional use permit for a state small water system is also proposed as a part of the project.

The project would be compatible with the Ag 2100 zoning, as all parcels would exceed the 100 acre minimum parcel size. Access to the site would continue to be provided off of Fox and Canyon Road. And this slide shows in the hatched areas, the location of approximately 560 acres of existing cultivated fields. The majority of which are located along the southern portions of the property adjacent to Foxton Canyon Road and then there's some areas through the central portion of the property.

Other areas of the site are utilized for cattle grazing of approximately 200 head of cattle The Planning Commission found that the proposed project would be inconsistent with the Comprehensive Plan's agricultural element, and specifically there are three goals and policies from the agricultural element that the Planning Commission found the project inconsistent with.

Goal 1 states that Santa Barbara County shall assure and enhance the continuation of agriculture as a major viable production industry in Santa Barbara County. And then under this goal, Policy 1A states that the integrity of agricultural operations shall not be violated by recreational or other non-compatible uses. The Planning Commission found that the proposed project would not assure the continuation of existing agricultural operations on the site since they may be separated onto smaller lots which would be owned and operated by separate property owners.

Goal 2 states that agricultural lands shall be protected from adverse urban influence. Under this goal, Policy 2D states that the conversion of highly productive agricultural lands whether urban or rural should be discouraged. The Planning Commission found that the development of the utilities roads and additional lighting and fencing on the project site would introduce additional urban influences into the rural area of the county And that this could affect agriculture by encouraging additional subdivisions of large agriculturally zoned lots that are located adjacent to the project site.

Goal 3 states that where it is necessary for agricultural lands to be converted to other uses, this use shall not interfere with remaining agricultural operations. And under this goal, Policy 3A states that the expansion of urban development into active agricultural areas outside of urban limits is to be discouraged as long as infill development is available.

The Planning Commission found that the close proximity of some of the RDEs to the existing cultivated agriculture could create conflicts between the two uses and that this could eventually lead to reductions in agriculture. In support of these findings, the Open Space Element identifies conflicts between urban growth and the preservation and extension of agriculture as a policy issue.

According to the Open Space Element, the continuation of the present trend of subdividing larger ranches into lesser sites inevitably will raise surrounding land values and taxes to levels that eventually will make it difficult to preserve agriculture in the county. The open space element goes on to state that once the change from larger agricultural holdings to smaller acreage occurs, the county can anticipate applications for lot splits and resubdivisions into smaller sites.

In their findings for denial, the Planning Commission found that the proposed subdivision would not be compatible with the sizes of existing surrounding lots. And this slide depicts the acreages of the proposed tract map in relation to surrounding lots. And in this slide you can see here the lighter green color are lots ranging from 160 to 300 acres And just below that are much larger lots. This one's approximately 3,000 acres and this one is a little smaller.

And then the larger lots in the subdivision are located here. These lots range from 300 to 600 acres and then this lot here is over 600 acres in size. In their appeal, the applicants state that the Planning Commission should not have denied the project since all of the lots remain viable for agriculture and would also be eligible for Williamson Act contracts.

The Planning Commission findings for denial were not based on agricultural viability of the new lots or Williamson Act eligibility. The Planning Commission, or excuse me, the appellant cite the analysis and conclusions reached in the environmental impact report completed for the project which found that the project would result in less than significant impacts to agriculture and should not have been denied.

The findings for denial are based on the projects potential to impact the continuation of existing agricultural practices on the project site and on adjacent parcel The Environmental Impact Report and Policy Consistency Analysis contained within was not certified by the Planning Commission since they did not approve the project. The appellants state that there is no factual basis for the Planning Commission's finding that there could be conflicts between existing agricultural uses and future residential uses on the new lots.

They also state that residential development on the project site is not considered to be urban development since a primary residence and residential accessory structures are permitted uses in the Ag 2100 zone district. Finally, the appellants state that the Commission's finding that the project could result in impacts to adjacent agricultural zone land is contrary to the evidence in the record and that the project would not set a precedent to allow for the subdivision of adjacent agriculturally zoned parcels.

In their findings for denial, the Planning Commission found that the project would not assure or enhance agriculture on the site since the operations could be split up into separate lots under separate ownership. The Planning Commission also found again that the additional urban influence from lighting fences roads and utilities could impact adjacent agricultural land by encouraging the future subdivisions of that property The commission also, oh that's what I said. So anyway the project would encourage parcelization of adjacent agricultural zone land as I just discussed.

The appellants state that the Planning Commission's finding for denial are false and without factual basis since they are based on the premise that the project is inconsistent with the agricultural element The planning, they also state that the project should be approved and assert that the project is consistent with a comprehensive plan. The Planning Commission weighed all of the evidence presented to them in order to make a decision on the project.

In this case, the findings for denial were reviewed and adopted by the Planning Commission on May 31st as part of their action to deny the project In addition, as part of that action to deny the project, the Planning Commission did find it to be inconsistent with a comprehensive plan. Staff recommends that your board deny the appeal and make the required findings for denial of the project including CEQA findings. Determine that the denial of the project is exempt from CEQA pursuant to section 15270 and deny the project de novo. And thank you, that concludes staff presentation and we are available for questions.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:10:34 · ≈ 11:10 AM

No questions? Ms.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:10:37 · ≈ 11:10 AM

Petrovich? Good morning Madam Chair, members of the board I'm Susan Petrovich here on behalf of the applicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La Laguna. There's another slide and then... This is a quick overview since it's very hard to appreciate what 4,000 acres means when you live in an urban area or suburban area. So this is the ranch.

Where is the sound? Not getting any sound.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:11:39 · ≈ 11:11 AM

On expansive plots while watching their properties.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:11:43 · ≈ 11:11 AM

Yeah, OK I can't do it from here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:11:49 · ≈ 11:11 AM

Family farms. They're the lifeblood of this country and such a valuable part of the landscape, culture and heritage of the San Ynez Valley Rancho La Laguna brings together 13 parcels each with beautiful farmland that will work to sustain small family farmers and the generations behind them Land helps create a legacy and Rancho La Laguna will offer families the opportunity to live on expansive plots while watching their properties planted, harvested and producing the fresh yield that fills our baskets at the farmers market each week.

Using existing roads, each lot has been drawn along established fence lines weaving perfectly into the landscape. A small home site has been set aside on each parcel where families will live amidst agriculture and the cattle and horses that graze the La Laguna just as they have since its earliest days during the times of the Spanish Land Grant Parcels have been designed to carefully preserve the rural character and open feel of the land while creating a valued opportunity for independent farmers.

Rancho La Laguna brings much-needed large parcels to the San Ynez Valley with no new roads, no new fences, no high density housing development just open fields, a small space for each family to build their dream home and land for that dream to grow Rancho La Laguna, preserving the legacy of family farmers.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:13:25 · ≈ 11:13 AM

I hope from that you can see that 13 houses scattered through 4,000 acres is not urban development. These owners have deep roots in Santa Barbara County agriculture and have devoted years and many, many dollars to making it more productive than when they purchased it 14 years ago. The cross-fencing improved the cattle operation by increasing the efficient use of forage. And the irrigation system not only made that water trough supply reliable but open new opportunities to renovate expand and improve the cropland.

These families bought the ranch to make homes for themselves, their children and their grandchildren. Creating separate parcels is the only way to do that. They are committed to preserving agriculture and biological resources, and to minimizing the visibility of future houses from the public road. The residential designated envelopes, RDEs we call them, were carefully sited in size to avoid prime soils and sensitive habitat. And rather than building new roads they laid out parcels to be accessed by the existing ranch roads.

To implement their dream, they hired a top-notch team of experts who studied the ranch resources. And then they laid out the parcels with the help of Tish Beltranena who's an experienced and savvy planner. Their object throughout was to avoid resources and to minimize impact on agriculture. They worked with the state and federal wildlife agencies to protect California red legged frogs, California tiger salamanders, and a host of other sensitive species. They also avoided to the extent possible native grasses, oaks and riparian areas.

The county staff originally recommended approval of the project because it meets all county ordinances and policies. Today there are 11 separate leases on the cropland so this idea of somehow we're fragmenting the cropland is a myth. It's phony. There's one separate lease on the grazing land These are extended families who work the cropland. They work the fields themselves.

Commercial agriculture in California really has developed into two different branches, one of course is big operations with cropland of hundreds and thousands of acres and then there are the small farmers who own little or no land themselves and ranchers as well, but they lease land from others who own land and don't want to work it themselves. That allows them to make enough money to support themselves and their families. Now both are commercial agriculture.

The ranch has a great water supply with stable water levels which the tenants really appreciated during the drought The map I will show you soon depicts the enormous watershed immediately upslope of the ranch. The ranch is highly productive and approving this project won't change that. Not approving it will have devastating consequences for these row croppers, however because if the Hanleys and the Rovans are not able to use the ranch to accomplish their dream they are likely to sell it. In fact, I think they're highly likely to sell it. And there's three types of buyers. One is a non-local large vintner Who will pay good money for this acreage to turn all of this into a vineyard, including the row crop land. And then there is the foreign investor who's just going to land bank the property.

They may not even graze it. They're going to keep it just because it's a hedge against whatever happens in their native countries. And then, of course, there's the rich person who wants a private estate and will just have it for themselves. And row cropping is not particularly conducive to that kind of privacy. There is no rational basis for disapproving the project. It complies with all county ordinances and policies, and with the Subdivision Map Act. The EIR found no Class 1 impacts, and the alternatives are not substantially superior to the project. The County has approved during the past 12 years a dozen other land divisions applying only one test to the issue of conformity with the Ag Element and Uniform Ag Preserve Rules. Will the resulting parcels individually be ag viable?

That is it! Many of the parcels created by those projects were markedly inferior to the parcels that are being proposed with this project. For instance, 100-acre grazing parcel on one lot split and two 102-acre grazing lots on another. In your position of power you can't treat similar projects differently. That's why we loaded up your record with the staff reports and MNDs from those projects because it would be very clear to a third party what is going on here. These applicants are not being treated the same as those other people.

We are proposing a new twist to the project, and that is if you're able to approve this project today, the applicants are willing to put all the parcels into 20-year Williamson Act contracts I think I probably covered this. And this one. It's absurd to suggest that this land won't stay in agriculture. The Hanley and Rovin families have spent a small fortune enhancing the agriculture on the property, although the Hanleys and Rovins aren't cattle people we can't ignore the fact that potentially hundreds of acres of grazing land can be planted to wine grapes without stripping out oaks or planting on steep slopes. That further enhances the ag potential especially on what people call the smaller parcels Over 30 acres of cultivated land, another 30 plus acres of potential vineyard and a reliable water supply is not small.

And in the slides I will show you can see the level and rolling ground on the canyon floor where the prime cropland is and the steeper slopes where the grazing parcels are with smaller areas suitable on those steeper slopes if the owner of the grazing parcel wants to grow hay to enhance their forage. The lands abutting the ranch to the south are on flat-to-rolling terrain, so their parcel sizes are very similar to the proposed parcel. And you saw that on the staff slide and I will show you that in a moment as well. To the northwest and east are rangeland properties because of the steeper terrain. Parcels tend to be considerably larger in the steeper parcels for obvious reasons. They have to be ag viable.

The ranch isn't in the Ag Preserve, but we are proposing with approval today that it will all go into Ag Preserve. The project includes a shared domestic water system, but the applicants aren't wedded to that. This idea that somehow the shared water system could be used on adjacent ranches is a joke, but if you consider that a potential, the applicants are happy to have just private water wells because there are plenty of water wells on the ranch already.

We could go either way because the shared water system actually can be helpful in the long term but it's perfectly agreeable to not do that in the short term. The parcel lines follow existing fence lines as I think has been mentioned. The project doesn't separate the operations at all. That's already happened, that's a done deal. The shared access roads also follow existing ranch roads which requires minimal widening And all the access roads are internal to the ranch, except two roads that already exist. They are easements for the benefit of properties adjacent to this ranch and frankly if they were going to inspire subdivision just because the roads are there they would have done that a long time ago and they can do that with or without the project because those are easements that were there before the current owners bought the ranch so This idea that somehow the new roads will spark adjacent development is another joke.

So here's some prime farmland on the left, and here's potential vineyard land on the right. This project does fit the land. And so you might ask why 13 parcels? It's simple. That is the maximum number that meets the family's needs without impacting agriculture and sensitive resources. More lots would cause more impacts. The RDE is a carefully studied area within each parcel that can accommodate residential structures without significant impacts. That was necessary to have a valid EIR with the worst case scenario. It assumed that the entire RDE would be stripped of resources and still, that didn't create a significant impact but the owners As part of this 20-year contract would have two year ultimate building envelopes within the RDE because the whole idea was to have two acres or less owned by the owner who could move that around to the area of the RDE that they thought was the most desirable for a building site.

And then the remainder of the RDE, of course, would remain in agriculture once the person had designated that building site. The APAC has confirmed that these parcels are all eligible for the Williamson Act. The conditions require BAR approval for residential structures and Commissioner Brown added to that a special set of lighting conditions so all this talk about urban development, this is not urban development and the BAR is going to be approving the design anyway so if they consider anything you can see which is doubtful as to whether you can see anything from the public road, the BAR We'll be able to rein that in.

And at most you have three houses along Fox and Canyon Road, at most, that you could see maybe the rooftops of. So this project – and the rest of the houses you can't see at all from the public roads. So this idea that we're building this enormous residential subdivision again is a myth. And in response to someone who was concerned that you later might try to divide the larger parcels, applicants have agreed not to oppose a rezone of the larger parcels to 320 zoning.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:24:03 · ≈ 11:24 AM

I interrupt

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:24:03 · ≈ 11:24 AM

there.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:24:04 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Is that a condition of the project or was that previously proposed?

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:24:08 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Yes, we offered it to the Planning Commission so I'm just repeating it yeah. I don't know whether it's actually written and included in the project description. I'm really confused frankly as to what the project description ended up being but that's clearly one of the things that we offered and would stick to This is a view from looking from the field toward Fox and Canyon Road. That's Fox and Canyon Road right there, runs behind these trees. This windrow blocks the view of much of the ranch and it runs along much of the frontage.

Back to the project itself The mitigation measures for this project are unique. They take into account the fact that the natural environment can change as the years pass, so the conditions are written to adapt to those changes. It's adaptive management. Regardless of how many years from now that someone builds a road or builds a house, you know, driveway when I say road, or even widens these roads, any sensitive plants and animals in the disturbance area must be mitigated And the existing ranch roads, of course, are on a moderate slope meeting fire department standards. So all they really need is minimal widening and all-weather surfacing.

This whole idea of fallowing, I keep hearing this fallowing. Well these are fallowing fallacies because every ag operation, every row crop operation fallows land from time to time to rest it. Fallowing land is a regular practice and It allows for cover crops or grass to recharge the soil. Fallow land remains ag viable, in fact as it sits fallow it often becomes richer and more valuable.

So if a rich person buys the property and decides just to graze it there's no harm done to the soil at all. Remains ag soil and potentially productive for the next owner. I'm just showing you this in case you had any doubts about the ample water supply on this branch. And then there are bogus issues. I addressed briefly the growth inducement issue, but given the trials that these folks have gone through, this must be a joke, the idea of growth inducement. Other people in the valley and throughout the county are watching you because There are many families who have large ranches who are having to sell their entire holding, as did the people who used to own this ranch. They sold their holdings because they had to pay state taxes and not everybody wants to be a farmer.

So either you do estate planning as these applicants are trying to do up front or someone has to do it after the fact. But given the long time period that this has gone through The idea that this is growth inducing is just absurd. They've had to have an EIR, they've had 12 years of Of work to get this approved and here we are today on an appeal. During that same time period, 12 other applicants sailed right through and you know how they did it? They did it through lot splits for the most part. So I guess now that we know how the county lets lots splits go through again with some with lots that are far less productive than these and less viable. These folks would have been better off doing sequential lot splits, and I'm sure that's something that most people who own ag property now will know because they're probably listening.

And they will not make the same mistake so this project certainly isn't growth inducing The water system and roads will allow other lands to subdivide. Well, they dead end within the property and as you can see it's a very large property so it isn't like we're just going to extend a pipe a few feet down the street and connect up to our neighbor. You're talking about miles.

And the water system in any event is under your control because you need a CUP for a shared water system and so it's totally discretionary act. The roads, they dead end within the ranch except the ones that already exist that I mentioned earlier. The water system, the fractured farming, I mentioned that earlier 11 leases already exists so you're not fracturing farming.

The mandatory ag preserve we've dealt with that and now we are offering it. Inconsistent with the ag element. I'm glad that the staff put up all those ag policies because it's clear that this too is an absurd issue. This project is entirely consistent with the ag element and you can't take seriously the claim that the owner's residential site is in urban use or urban influence. It is a permitted use in the ag zone, and under the uniform rules, it's considered an important part of an ag preserve.

And then there's the argument that the county denied the Mission Oaks Ranch and therefore you should deny this one. Mission Oaks didn't have an on-site water system, the APAC supports this project it did not, it opposed the Mission Oaks project And Mission Oaks is right next to a Ranchette development and the city of Buelton. But most of all, these proposed parcels all are stand-alone viable and the ones at Mission Oaks were not.

And then the RDE proximity to the fields. Another absurd contention The RDEs aren't occupied by strangers to the agricultural production. People who don't benefit from the agriculture or have a stake in its future, this would either be the owner or the ranch manager. It's not going to be an urban dweller. And guess what? For those other 12 projects, this issue wasn't even raised. But here are some very nice houses right next to ag fields.

Very productive ag fields obviously. To rebut that whole silly notion. And then the compatibility with the neighbors, that also did not come up with the other projects by the way. The proposed projects range from 160 to 605 acres with smaller ones along the canyon floor and a larger ones in the grazing parcels in the steeper topography. And here's a bit more detail on parcel sizes and the topography Here's a parcel sizes and you can unfortunately it's not as easy to see but you can see the property. The properties to the south are the same size or smaller.

And then the ones to the east and west are a variety, but for the most part they are very steep lands. Let me move on. This is just the acreage and the RDEs. But let me move on. Look at this topography. Of course they're larger parcels. You think that you can prove ag viability on this kind of topography? That's a joke! It doesn't hurt to show you this one, too.

This is the vineyard capability. All this cross-hatched land in pink, that's all speaking of ag viability. This is additional land these applicants don't intend to develop into vineyards but anyone else could. That's taking a very conservative approach to development. Look at this. Here's Rancho La Laguna. These are the croplands. Right now we're going up into the foothills, but again look at this topography! You're gonna see growth inducement?

This is down Fox and Canyon Road where you see a whole lot of other small parcels. And this is another view of Windrow in the back there. Just another spot where the windrow runs along the road And these are just some views of the prime land. Again, you can see the windrow in the background there on the upper left. So... The key to long-term ag viability is a family enterprise where the kids grow up with a love of agriculture and the land.

Few people get rich in either farming or ranching. Most people farm because they love the land and they love living on the land and working it. Having enough parcels in the family ranch provides flexibility in financing capital improvements and tidying the family over in hard times as well as estate planning that doesn't involve selling the entire ranch. Then there's the claim that this Division threatens the ag future. There's no evidence to support that claim.

This ranch has a long history of farming and ranching, and the owners have demonstrated just through their actions over the past 14 years that they've owned it that they will will take care of the property. They installed an expensive well system, expensive irrigation system. They did everything they could do to maximize the productivity of this land in the long run.

These parcels have three times passed the test for ag viability. Ag consultant Oren Sage first, then the county staff in the mitigated negative deck and then again in the EIR. And no matter how conservative they were, and believe me the county was very conservative, they still found these parcels, these proposed parcels And as long as the resulting parcels are ag viable, the ag element does not prohibit in any way the division. The key is viability and not having conversion to non-viability.

It's counterintuitive to conclude after all these years that the Hanleys and Rovans will do about face and stop farming on this property. And the ag element says that the loss of ag viability results in pressure to convert ag on other, to other uses. But these parcels don't lose viability from the land division. They satisfy the owner's dream of a family agricultural enterprise. That's entirely consistent with the ag element and frankly only fool would contend 13 houses on this remote site constitutes urban development or incompatibility with agriculture Again, it's pure speculation to say that these parcels will cease to be farmed. It's just ridiculous.

It is prime ag in a rural area. It isn't not an urban subdivision although the opposition emails you've been receiving make it clear that those people, someone represented to those folks who are urbanites, that they were opposing rezoning and conversion. When you tell them a subdivision they think of Goleta. They don't think of Rancho La Laguna. That was not a slur on Goleta!

The conditions have been carefully crafted to mitigate all impacts This project results in less than 1% of the land being devoted to the owner's residential envelopes and over 90% remains in ag production. That is the definition of an agricultural subdivision. This is not farmland conversion. That is conversion to non-ag. Both the Ag Advisory Committee and the Ag Preserve Advisory Committee have supported the project because of its ag viability and eligibility for the Williamson Act.

Just quickly on the alternatives, there were no class one impacts and there were three alternatives none of which had significantly less impacts Of any kind. There's no justification for denying the project. The alternatives are not superior. These owners are entitled to a rational decision based upon the evidence in the record and the evident, evidence includes a detailed track record that we've submitted in the way of those staff reports and MNDs for those other land divisions. The county's basis excuse me for approving an ag land The county's basis for approving the ag land divisions was clear from those project approvals. And the two bases are, one of course is that there be no significant unmitigable impacts and then the ag viability of the resulting parcels.

That's it. And that's what the county found in all of those other cases and that's the only thing the county can find in this case because that's what the evidence shows One last point. There are three types of buyers that I've already mentioned and we really feel strongly that if any of those three buyers buy the property, the row croppers will be out of business and what we didn't talk about at the Planning Commission but I think it's a human concern that goes into this. It's not just the impact on the owners. It is also the impact on those row croppers who make their livelihood off this land And finding this kind of land with this kind of reliable water supply is very difficult.

Those people go out and find, they don't have distributors. They go out and find the buyer, the independent market and the independent restaurant that buys their stuff. Before public comment, there are many supporters of the project and I'm going to ask them to stand rather than having absolutely everyone speak. So I would ask that you stand if you support the Rancho La Laguna Project.

Thank you. I am available for questions if you have any. Supervisor Adam.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:26 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Can we get a clarification on the fourth bullet point?

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:38:31 · ≈ 11:38 AM

On the rational basis.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:32 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Yeah

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:38:33 · ≈ 11:38 AM

well the rational denial has to be based upon facts.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:37 · ≈ 11:38 AM

You're talking about approving all the other projects denying this one.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:38:40 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:41 · ≈ 11:38 AM

OK so that's a typo.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:38:45 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Yes, sorry. It's hard to proofread your own product have you noticed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:53 · ≈ 11:38 AM

No matter how many times there is still something

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:38:55 · ≈ 11:38 AM

left.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:56 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Just wanted to make sure that we weren't trying. You

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:38:58 · ≈ 11:38 AM

approved 12 projects

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:38:59 · ≈ 11:38 AM

and those were the

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:39:00 · ≈ 11:39 AM

12 I could find. There may have been

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:39:02 · ≈ 11:39 AM

others.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:39:04 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Thank you for catching that. Any other questions?

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction2:39:11 · ≈ 11:39 AM

I guess this is a question for staff. The concept of the 12 other projects but there was mention that these might have been lot splits so was it, was that accurate? Can you explain if it was the same or different the 12 that are being referred to?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:39:39 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Wolf. In Ms. Petrovich's, in the letter and information that she submitted, she did submit information for a number of different lot splits that have been approved by the county. Some are, most of them are tentative parcel maps which is, which are lot splits of four lots or less. So for example, I can name off a few she submitted and just explain the difference. So for the Rancho Encantado project that was a three lot subdivision same zoning Act 2-100 and for Karari also zoned Act 2 100 that was a three lot subdivision Sierra Grande same zoning. It was a two lot subdivision and then the Rancho Real tentative parcel map is the same zoning at 200 and it's a four lot subdivision. You're welcome.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:40:33 · ≈ 11:40 AM

There are also some land divisions that would be subdivisions because it's more than four lots but most of them were for four or less. Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:40:45 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Follow up on that you know this idea of sequentially doing that to achieve more lots or do we have safeguards in place to prevent those from being split and then split again?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:41:07 · ≈ 11:41 AM

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Williams. In this case these lots were split down to just over a hundred acres and the zoning is out to 100 so really like for Rancho Encantado it was a three lot subdivision and they range from 103 acres to 122 acres, so they couldn't be further subdivided because the minimum size is 100 acres

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated2:41:31 · ≈ 11:41 AM

But to clarify, because I'm more familiar with the table that I provided you. There are also projects like the Russell lot split that ended up with a hundred acre grazing parcel and about I think twelve hundred thirteen hundred acre remainder you know other parcel. So of course that twelve hundred there and incidentally in all almost all of these all but one I believe it's the same zoning so it's 100 acres owning for all the part all the projects except one we're talking about. So for Russell they had another 12 to 1300 acres that they could divide and then on the There was another project that was so Nolan same thing.

They divided they they left a much lower one large parcel and then one small parcel I don't know why people do that and often for financing purposes or maybe they've sold it, I don t know but they They have a remainder parcel of I think around 1000 acres, but I'm not as clear on that one as I am on Russell. So certainly both of those lots I believe could be further subdivided unless that may have been one of my 100 acre examples.

But there were certainly instances in those projects where yes they could further divide them. They have to go back through the lot split process But there's nothing that stops you from doing that.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:43:05 · ≈ 11:43 AM

I see no more lights at this time so with that I'd like to open it for public comment. How many commenters do we have?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:43:14 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Chair Hartman and members of the board we have 14 requests to speak on this item.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:43:17 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Okay and if anyone else wants to speak please get your speaker slip in now and so we'll start

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:43:25 · ≈ 11:43 AM

We are going to begin with Andy Caldwell to be followed by Mary Ellen Brooks, Andy.

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PresenterAndy CaldwellColabProposedself-stated2:43:36 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Madam Chair members of the board I'm Andy Caldwell representing COLAB. You rarely if ever see me coming up to speak on an individual project. The reason I am doing so today is this may have been one of the most egregious decisions I've ever seen in the 26 years I've been following county government. What we want the board to do and their appointees at the planning commission is to honor what I refer to as truth in zoning In truth with regard to your policies and in the Planning Commission's denial of this project violated all those principles and tenets.

In essence their action is killing the ability of families to farm and families to ranch in deference to corporations and or you know phenomenally rich people are corporate investors You know the opponents of this project have no skin in the game with regard to agriculture. They have no ag expertise. They're all coming from an aesthetic value of quote unquote preserving agriculture, but agriculture is a business and for it to be preserved people have to be able to make a living off of that land. And these large ranches do not lend themselves to that in view of inheritance taxes and all the other things that people brought up.

So what do you have here? You have the Ag Advisory Committee, which is comprised of your appointees plus the representatives of all the major commodity groups in this county recommended with no reservations that you approve this project. Quote the AAC can see no policy basis for denying this appeal or for refusing to approve the project. It complies with all applicable ordinances and general plan policies plus on top of that you had an EIR with no class one impacts all project impacts are mitigated. You have the Ag Preserve Advisory Committee approved this. The Cattlemen's Organization have approved it and your own staff recommended approval.

So the only the only entity or body in this long chain of 12 years of review analysis and all that is three members of the planning commission everybody else in your own chain of approval said this project comports with policies ordinances goals And plans. I've never seen a better project configuration, I've never seen an applicant go through more to get the approval. You know if you don't approve this then I think you just must put a sign out there Santa Barbara County is closed for business to family farmers. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:46:44 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Our next speaker is Mary Ellen Brooks to be followed by Linda Kropp.

PresenterMary Ellen BrooksCitizens Planning AssociationProposedself-stated2:46:55 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Yes good morning Chair Hartman and supervisors. My name is Mary Ellen Brooks and I'm speaking today on behalf of Citizens Planning Association. I am speaking as their executive director, I was not on the On the board when their decisions and the discussions about this project were going on. So I'm just here to report the board's decisions. I want to thank staff for the report. We read through it and I think that staff took each of the appellants positions and responded based on our county policies and on the planning commission comments and directions.

The board of CPA supports the decision of staff to deny this project and what they determined was a parcelization of Rancho La Laguna in this particular track map. They agree that the project is not compatible with the goals and policies in Santa Barbara County. agricultural element. The board also feels that the construction of the additional residences and accessory structures, the lighting, the fencing on the 12 new lots will have an adverse influence on this remote rural project. In addition this proposed subdivision will not ensure The continuation of the existing agricultural operations. This particular project is zoned ag commercial and that means that it has a very intense business model for agricultural production and it should be honored as a agricultural commercial tract.

I also want to say that In looking at page 7 perhaps staff could put that up on the slide. Page seven which was the track map and surrounding lot sizes. I think it is very important for the decision makers to look at the surrounding parcel sizes in this very remote location. And I think that was a very important determination when the project was denied, the fact that this is a remote rural Lastly I just want to mention since the letter was written there were two fires on Fox and Canyon Road recently so we need to look a little bit more carefully at some of the fire dangers that were not considered during the Planning Commission hearing. Thank you very much.

Our next

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:50:14 · ≈ 11:50 AM

speaker

CommentLinda KroppProposed2:50:15 · ≈ 11:50 AM

is Linda Kropp to be followed by Ken Huff. Thank you, Linda crop Environmental Defense Center on behalf of SB can. First of all, it's really inappropriate to have to be addressing these last minute changes this project has been going on for I've heard anywhere from seven to 12 years been through three Planning Commission hearings been on appeal for several months in and out of Williamson at contract changing the RDE sizes You should base your decision on the evidence and the proposed findings from the Planning Commission.

In any event, you can't approve a project because the EIR can't be certified. The project description is incomplete. The EIR even admits that there isn't enough information to assess impacts due to the unknown location of houses roads infrastructure and employee dwellings The project objective, seeking a 13-unit subdivision is improperly narrow and in fact the EIR and the Planning Commission staff report rejected any alternatives because they wouldn't meet this objective. That's a violation of CEQA. The environmental setting relies on outdated and incomplete information.

The analysis of impacts and alternatives is inadequate because the project description and environmental setting are incomplete And the EIR failed to adequately address consistency with the comprehensive plan, so you can't approve a project today. We agree with the Planning Commission and the staff that the project is inconsistent with a comprehensive plan. I'm going to talk about the land use element, and Ken Huff from SBCAN will talk about the ag element.

The land use element requires that in rural areas agriculture shall be preserved, and even based on what we've been hearing from the appellant's attorney there's no guarantee who's gonna end up holding these parcels. You can't forbid Any of these future owners from selling we don't know who they're going to sell to. We don't know what their commitment to AG is going to be. We don't know what the conflicts are going to be in the future and these are all outlined in the Planning Commission findings. In fact, the ranch was taken out of Williamson Act contract. The appellants did refuse to agree to combined farming and grazing The EIR does state that agricultural use could be discontinued altogether on any of these parcels.

This is not consistent with the Ag commercial land-use designation, which requires that the property be used for commercial ag. It's not consistent with the Land Use and Ag Element Policies protecting ag. So we do urge you to uphold the Planning Commission decision, deny the appeal and Don't be swayed by these 11th hour 59th minute changes. If they were serious about these changes, they should have been made years or months ago and now I think the next speaker will be Ken Huff from SBCAN. Thank you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:53:20 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Our next speaker is Ken Huff to be followed by Brian Trottwein

CommentKen HuffProposed2:53:24 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Good morning, Chair Hartman and Supervisors. Ken Huff with SBCAN which for 15 years has worked to preserve our environmental and agricultural resources We're especially concerned about the precedent that approval of this subdivision would set for other large agricultural properties in the area and throughout the county. Yesterday, EDC submitted a one-page letter with information that confirms the effect that subdivisions have on ag property values and viability, and I submitted a one-pager showing the asking prices for six San Ynez Valley properties that are currently on the market. I hope those will be helpful for you.

There certainly are some parcels in the vicinity that are similar to the sizes proposed by this subdivision, but as you've seen on the map just three or four times this morning there are also many very large like the size of Rancho La Laguna. Approval of this proposal would greatly increase the chances of these large properties being subdivided as well. The Planning Commission findings noted that the project is inconsistent with three ag element policies and we agree with those findings.

But as detailed in the EDC letter of August 25th, the project is also inconsistent with three other ag element policies. First it's inconsistent with the Ag Element Policy 1D which encourages agricultural preserves This policy provides, quote, the use of the Williamson Act shall be strongly encouraged and supported. The county shall also explore and support other agricultural land protection programs, end quote. This project is directly tied to the non-renewal of the Williamson Act contract that it had and could encourage other ranchers to take similar action. Therefore, the project is inconsistent with this policy.

Second, the project is inconsistent with Ag Element Policy 1G which states that quote sustainable agricultural practices on agriculturally designated land should be encouraged in order to preserve the long-term health and viability of the soil. The project would not preserve the end quote The project would not preserve the long-term health and viability of the soils destroyed for development of residences and infrastructure.

With no ag conservation easement and non-renewal of the Williamson Act contract, future ag on the site would be significantly diminished. And third, the parcel is inconsistent...the project is inconsistent with Ag Element Policy 2B Goal 2 and the related policies are intended to protect agriculture from urban conflicts. Introducing more residences with domestic animals and other related uses will create conflicts with continued agriculture whether it be grazing or farming.

SBCAN urges your board to deny the appeal and uphold your planning commission's denial of the proposed subdivision, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:56:25 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Our next speaker is Brian Trotwine to be followed by Janet Blevins.

PresenterBrian TroutmanEDC which represents SB CANProposedself-stated2:56:31 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Thank you and good morning, Chair and Supervisors. I'm Brian Troutman with the EDC which represents SB CAN. While the focus of this appeal has been on the project's inconsistency with ag policy, the remote site's biodiversity is incredibly high including as many as 56 special status protected species. And SB CAN is concerned about the impacts to this area's vast natural resources adjacent to the Los Padres National Forest. The Planning Commissioners expressed concern about the extensive grading in the EIR. Over 23,000 cubic yards for widening the many miles of roads and another 11,000 cubic yards of grading for the water infrastructure.

Retaining walls up to 12 feet in height are needed for driveways high up in the San Rafael Mountains much of which is subject to high erosion and landslide potential according to the EIR These concerns underscore inconsistencies with the conservation element and the land use elements, hillside and watershed protection policies. For instance, Hillside and Watershed Protection Policy 1 provides that quote plans for development shall minimize cut-and-fill This policy calls for denial if, quote, development could be carried out with less alteration of the natural terrain.

And Hillside and Watershed Policy 2 states, quote, all development shall be designed to fit the site topography, soils, geology and, quote natural features landforms and native vegetation such as trees shall be preserved to the maximum extent feasible. This project does not minimize grading or vegetation removal. The final EIR finds that up to 18 acres of oak woodlands, including 10 acres of valley oak woodlands could be removed.

While the intent is to limit this we're still talking about a very substantial loss of sensitive and declining natural communities and loss of our region's important biodiversity. Oak tree protection one requires protection of native oak trees in woodlands to the maximum extent feasible. This project simply conflicts with the county's oak protection policies.

And the conservation element includes a 100 foot creek setback and provisions to protect all native grasslands, but this project would remove up to 1.2 acres of native grasslands and requires permits for road work across numerous streams, springs, and drainages. It's just not consistent with the conservation element. This site is just too constrained. This project does not fit on this bath site because of the site's terrain and its extensive sensitive natural resources.

The project cannot be approved because it is inconsistent with the conservation element and the hillside and watershed protection policies. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:59:07 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Our next speaker is Janet Blevins to be followed by Rich Condit.

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CommentJanet BlevinsProposedself-stated2:59:12 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Good afternoon my name is Janet Blevins, I live in Lompoc. Thank you to the Board of Supervisors Madam Chair and the board for allowing me to speak. Looking at the small print at the bottom of the speaker slip it says only new information should be a speaker needs to be presenting new information. I don't really have new information Other than what the experts who have already spoken had to say so I am just here saying that I agree with EDC and as we can. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:59:47 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Our next speaker is Rich Condit to be followed by Jesse Bengel.

CommentRich ConditProposedself-stated2:59:55 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Hi, my name is Rich Condit. I live in Solvang, lifelong resident of the Santa Ynez Valley. Speaking in support of La Laguna Ranch after listening to the process and watching the process over the last about 12 years now, I don't think there's been a better designed project more complimentary of the ground and the topography of the ranch that is called La Laguna.

The previous speakers, I get up and I listen to the previous speakers who just got up here. And you could basically put a recorder down and hit the play button on every project that's ever come before this, the County of Santa Barbara. And it's a regurgitation of what they say every time. And there's no development that they've ever been positive for or agreed with that I'm aware of.

The time, the effort, the money, expense that the owners of the property have gone through is immense with the idea of developing this property into an agriculturally positive development to go on to the future. They keep saying, the negative people keep saying that it won't be agricultural we can't guarantee who's going to buy the property You can't guarantee anything. There is no guarantees in the future, but the way they've designed this project it enables the property to go forward and to be farmed by individual farmers and owners into the future. And it's the only way unless you want large corporations and companies to manage these ranches to continue this.

So I'm speaking in favor of the project. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:01:46 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Our next speaker is Jesse Bengold to be followed by Charlie Rowland.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:01:55 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Madam Chair and Supervisors, thank you for hearing me. My name is Jessie Bengoa. I am a resident of Buellton, longtime San Ynez Valley resident. I think we'd all agree that the San Ynez Valley is without question a very special place to both live and to visit. We enjoy a very charming atmosphere created by the marriage of agriculture our rich history and a very lively environment created by the small businesses and those that serve our many guests here on the weekends at our local residence There are few places like it anywhere else on earth, it's a fact.

My family is amongst the very first to excuse me to settle here we've been here since 1936 my young children are going to be in the sixth generation uh to live in in the San Diego Valley and attend school there We've been ranchers and farmers and business owners for the length of our history here. Our cattle and farming operations were run on leased parcels exactly like you've been seeing here on the Rancho La Laguna.

The main parcel that we have is 99 acres, and that sustained 150 cow-calf operation. We also rotated farming for oat hay, pumpkins, watermelons, and that sustained our family growing up. The ranching lifestyle, it was a privilege to grow up in that and I really hope that Santa Barbara County allows for the next generation to grow up the way that I did on farms and ranches like that. That we were not capable of affording as a family but we leased to much success.

The parcels on Rancho La Laguna would be such an incredible addition to the landscape of this valley. I know I grew up on them These parcels will be purchased by invested and engaged landowners that would then make it possible for family farmer farmers to come and to work the soil. I can't think of a more appropriate and worthwhile use of this land. Not many people can afford to purchase an entire property of this size and to make it pencil out.

But when you're able to lease this acreage, you afford family farmers the opportunity to live their dream and to support Aside from the agricultural viability of these smaller parcels is the contribution to the charm and landscape of our valley, and that's something that contributes to the tourism of the area. It's across the street from SACA Mesa Winery. It is a beautiful area, and farms and ranches such as this would only add to the landscape.

It is the wine trail, and what better view to take in for visitors than a property such as this? Projects such as this would be a welcome addition to our valley. My family is deeply rooted here and through generations of experience, I can tell you that this would be a welcome addition. This is growth with purpose. And I respectfully urge you today to base your decision off of the facts and also off of the good people that you're going to hear from in this crowd, they get their hands dirty every day. These are farmers and these are ranchers that actually work the soil. They don't just comment on it from an office. So please take into consideration what they have to say. They're good people and they have good experience with this. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:04:55 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Our next speaker is Charlie Rovin, to be followed by Patna Bhutranina. Our next speaker is going to be Patna Butranina to be followed by Renee Condit. Is Patna here?

CommentCharlie RowlandProposed3:05:14 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Patricia Beltranina thank you. There's been so much discussion about the Ag Preserve. In 1967, the Luton family put 13,000 acres into Ag Preserve under 67 AP 03. It's their contract. They changed it over to Rancho La Laguna LLC modernizing in 83 and they assumed that contract. And it was Rancho La Laguna LLC who had to Dissolve that contract non-renew it because it covered 13,000 acres for huge parcels. They had sold off three of them and They took the action I sent you a copy of the agenda We anticipated this process to take about five years. I've done a lot of these AG subdivisions and had many 100 plus acre parcels approved and recorded.

So we never thought we'd even be out of Ag Preserve by the time we got approved, but we always had in our description to put in the large cattle grazing ranches because they benefit from Ag Preserve. We're not proposing lots. We're proposing eight beautiful farms and five ranches. Two and a half miles of Fox and Canyon Road run across the front of three of our parcels, and you might get a glimpse through the eucalyptus trees of a couple of rooftops. I wouldn't recommend it driving at 40 miles an hour to look over there but That's not a visual impact. That's people living on their land the no project alternative has the worst impacts in my mind because our 11 families that depend on some of them have been there for a brother and sister have 80 and 90 acres each two different businesses they've been there for 10 years and their families farm with them I wave to these people as I go in there They'll go away.

It won't be an Ag Preserve because now it did expire last year we didn't want it to but it did and You know we followed all the rules, we've done everything. I wish you could have heard your staff's recommendation for approval and the beautiful presentation they made for us thank you. I'm sorry they sent you back to write fiction a month later. You can't change your conclusions, you can't change your recommendations, you can't change the laws that we all live under.

And how is it that two hundred and two acre parcels are fine out of 100 out of 204. But with no prime ag on one of those and our 160 acres smallest one with 40 acres planted. That's not good enough? I want to thank everyone for being here today. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:08:39 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Our next speaker is Renee Condit to be followed by Eric Freitas

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CommentRenee ConditProposed3:08:47 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Hello. I'd like to read a letter I wrote and I sent to y'all, so it's in the record. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. The topic of the lot splits on large parcels and the proposed Rancho Laguna project are both very important to me for different reasons. First and foremost we lack farmable acreage in this area for the average farmer. The smallest parcel in this proposed split is 160 acres.

I grew up in the Santa Ynez Valley. My great grandparents, grandparents parents myself and our children all have had the opportunity to ranch and farm on leased ground. Few people have the means to own a piece of ground for the proposed for the I'm sorry hard to read here My own writing to the ranch and farm lease ground. Few people have the means to own a piece of ground for the income it creates is a win-win situation. We farm parcels as small as five acres and as large as 100 depending on the crop you don't need much acreage to make a living. We ran cattle as well onto 20 to 250 acre parcels It's beyond frustrating when I hear people dictating what we can and cannot be accomplished, why they themselves are lacking any first-hand knowledge of the subject.

In this case that subject being the agriculture viability of parcels ranging from 5 to 200 acres. They quote what's viable without really even knowing the hard numbers. I want to keep seeing ground being farmed and ranched in this area. It's a heck of a lot easier to run and maintain doable ranches, for instance this 160 acre piece versus significantly larger parcels that are only manageable by large agricultural operations or so-called big ag. The small farmer is our lifeblood and they need land that's a workable size. Rancho La Laguna means more farmable land, more revenue for the county and success for the small farmer. These are without question all positives. My grandchildren are the sixth generation of my family to live in Solving. Chip Hanley's grandfather and mine were buddies Families of the utmost importance to us, CHIPS trying to keep a family tradition going and maintain the face of this valley.

The valley is a special place. Isn't that the reason so many outsiders move here and call this home now? The unique beauty and feel of this area is created by the type of people that live this rural lifestyle. Those people are small landowners, ranchers, farmers and the subsequent generations that have been able to stay and raise their kids here on their family's land.

At a recent Planning Commission meeting down Santa Barbara one of the commissioners said they wanted to keep this ranch from being split because they wanted to drive by and just see one big beautiful ranch on their drive. For God's sakes. I mean really people have to make a living and on this land. This is not the people's land of Mother Russia by creating smaller

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:11:51 · ≈ 12:11 PM

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CommentRenee ConditProposed3:11:52 · ≈ 12:11 PM

parcels of land you respect the people and you respect the land. Thank you very much for your time and I hope your logical decision for voting positive on this project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:12:04 · ≈ 12:12 PM

Our next speaker is Eric Freitas to be followed by Rick Machado.

CommentEric Freitas I'mProposedself-stated3:12:13 · ≈ 12:12 PM

Good morning board. My name is Eric Freitas I'm a cattle rancher third generation vegetable farmer here in Santa Barbara County and you know I don't understand how the how this was denied in the first place by the Planning Commission. I'm very sensitive to the concept of urban sprawl and do prime ag and this just doesn't sound like that's what this is at all.

I urge you to allow this development and I mean I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't be allowed I mean I hear the EDC talk like they care about sustainability of agriculture and I don't believe it. I don't think they could give a darn about whether we survive or don't survive. I do and I see this project as a way for us to sustain agriculture in the future so thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:13:17 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Our next speaker is Rick Machado to be followed by Chip Hanley.

CommentRick MachadoProposed3:13:23 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Thank you, Chairman and Board. This is something I've kind of changed my thought process just standing here listening. I'm a lifelong native of the area and 100% involved in agriculture everything I do and I've had a big experience out on the La Laguna. I've done a lot of cattle projects out there and run some cattle out there. And so when I hear the big buzzword seems to be, you know, agriculture and viability this place is bomb proof and the way these parcels are laid out here. I've driven over every ounce of this ranch and when you think of the pioneers that came way before us And you look at the existing roads that have been there for just decades and decades, and the way the pastures are fenced and have been cross-fenced for very good rotational grazing.

The water supply... I just can't imagine somebody not thinking it's a viable agriculture project. You know? I think the average Of the parcel size of these would run more cattle and I can speak pretty clearly about the livestock industry. Maybe not quite as familiar with the farming but as far as a livestock, the average parcel size would run more than the average cattleman does in California is in terms of per head so very viable from a standpoint when you break those parcels down You see that obviously some of the smaller parcels have some of the most production productive farmland on and also some of the best grazing. So that's where I think the break comes in those larger parcels that are up over toward 600 acres but a very unique project.

I just can't, my boots are on the ground and that's what I do for a living. And I hear these other opponents to this project and it blows me away. And I've never spoke before a board like this. I've never been here. I'm going to start coming back more often. I darn sure am because I hear things where people have no idea what we do every day of our lives. To hear some things that are pretty far fetched surprises me.

I'm sure a proponent of this project and thank you for your time.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:15:58 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Our next speaker is Chip Hanley to be followed by Lisa Bedrogi who is our final speaker.

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CommentChip HanleyProposedself-stated3:16:15 · ≈ 12:16 PM

Thank you my name is Chip Hanley, one of the owners of the project. Eric, I'd like to say ditto because he kind of hit me right where I want to be. And the bottom line is that we've studied it, we've studied the studies, we passed all the tests in our mind and you know we're done. We're ready to move on and hopefully get this project approved and I want to thank everybody for For the support, and I don't know what else we can do. So it's up to you guys to help us out and be able to build a house.

I mean, so my house in 2010 to build out here and it's now 2017 and It's one parcel and we need to move on. So I'm not getting any younger. My grandkids want to come out and play. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:17:35 · ≈ 12:17 PM

And our final speaker is Lisa Bedrogi.

CommentLisa Bedrogi I'mProposedself-stated3:17:48 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Thank you. Good afternoon Board of Supervisors my name is Lisa Bedrogi I'm the owner of Kuve Connections. My career has been based on agricultural land use planning and I have a strong passion for our agricultural community. I'd like to ask you ever go to a job without the right tools? Only to find the job takes twice as long is full of headaches and the results don't turn out the same. Actually if you could hold off on showing that thank you I appreciate it, I just wanted it ready.

So I ask you that question. Today, I'm going to talk about tools in the toolbox or lack thereof for our farmers and ranchers. This county has been notorious in their neglect to provide adequate and proper tools to safeguard our agricultural community. The number one economic driver to keep our streets safe schools flourishing and nonprofits thriving. While this project may not please some, it is the result of a single tool and one size fits all approach.

This project followed the rules abided by the process and has come up short. Why? Because it fits a one-size-fits-all approach and is using a single tool and it has been handed down by the policy makers to do the job of managing our agricultural resources. My mission is to keep our farmers farming. Over 10 years ago I found myself in my dream job as Santa Barbara County's first agricultural land use planner. The position was how and housed in the Agricultural Commissioner's Office a governmental agency which is geared towards helping our farmers and ranchers manage their resources through the regulatory maze of pest control protection against invasive plants and animals and manage our resources.

The position was appropriately placed in the Agricultural Commissioner's Office to carry on the purpose of protecting agriculture as a valuable resource. The position was modeled after the program in San Luis Obispo and was heralded across the state. Unfortunately, the position became the source of horse trading and was moved to the Planning and Development Department.

I chose not to follow the position due to my concern that the integrity and objective of the program would be compromised. So here we are 11 years later, still arm wrestling with what is right and good for agriculture. However there is still one tool that came out of the program that is worth pulling off the shelf and dusting off once in a while. And I draw your attention to the area study referred to as the Agricultural Resources Environmental and Economic Assessment.

In preparing for my comments today I'd like to draw your attention to table six in the area study that was prepared by the American Farmland Trust. Again it is a bit outdated but I would like you to look at the size of farms in this county 463 farms are 1 to 9 acres. In the category you're addressing today, 50 to 179 acres, 236 farms out of 1400 total. I would say we do a darn good job farming on small parcels and certainly we're not talking about small parcels today.

I'd like you to leave you with one more thought. And as we're talking about urban sprawl and urban influence, we need to start being very aware that the discussion will change if we don't keep our farmers farming and our land managers protecting and managing our land. Instead the conversation will turn to rural blight. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:21:33 · ≈ 12:21 PM

And that was our final speaker.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:21:37 · ≈ 12:21 PM

So with that I close public comment and Ms. Petrovich.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:21:46 · ≈ 12:21 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. I think actually, I have a couple minutes more than the five because I didn't go over and I was less than the twenty-five but I don't think it will be an issue. I just am saying that before I start. I think I need to respond to this idea that somehow this is sacred ground and that the AC zone somehow, the AC land designation is somehow sacred ground as well or sacred zoning AC was invented when we were developing the ag element. I know because I played a very active role in advising the farmers in the development of the ag element and negotiated with the Board of Supervisors for the final wording. AC simply means that the property is either in the Williamson Act or it's eligible for the Williamson Act. So this property fits right in there, there's nothing sacred about it.

It's just the way we wanted to come up with a definition for that property. I also for the record want to state that Mary Ellen Brooks is the same Morrell Brooks who was the planning commissioner on the commission who voted against this project. Just I want the record to be clear in that regard. Quickly, the statement you can't certify the EIR because the project description is incomplete. I responded to this at length in my letter. This pertains to the RDEs and the fact that we used RDEs to identify the potential impacts. They were worst case impacts by assuming that the entire RDE would be stripped. That is not a defect in the project description. A project objective too narrow, Ms. Kropp failed to state also that the EIR said we ignored the applicant's objective of 13 lots in coming to our decision as to the agricultural, as to the alternatives.

We ignored it. You can't predict who will own these parcels. Well, I'd say you can't predict who will own the present parcel. I think it's going to be for the worse if you don't approve this project. The refusing to agree to combined farming. Well, if EDC had read my letter they would note that in fact this is combined farming under the county's definition because it's a shared irrigation system.

The retaining walls and gratings supposedly. First of all the widening of these roads will be absolutely minimal, it's literally scraping and putting shoulders and widening the lanes just slightly because it's only 13 houses! And they'll be using existing roads. There will be no retaining walls there will be no steep The one house that required all of those things, actually there were two grading plans that the fire department asked that we present and that was during a very short time period when the fire departments requirements as to slope were much more rigid. You couldn't go over 15%. That's been changed. That was changed years ago.

But the EIR has to look at what was in the project description. 1.2 acres of native grass removal, again, the EIR assumes a whole RDE is stripped. That's not going to happen. Two acres per parcel. And of course it requires full mitigation as required. Creek crossings, those all exist. Those aren't new crossings, those are existing crossings. Nothing's going to change in that regard.

So I would submit to you that we've already responded all of these fabrications in our correspondence with you but I know it was a lot of material. The point is that this is an excellent project. It meets all your requirements And it's certainly superior to the projects that this county has already approved. And it doesn't matter that those projects didn't come to the Board of Supervisors, by having them approved at the Planning Commission or wherever they were approved, that set county policy and precedent. So if you want to talk about precedent we can talk about precedent but this project is a minimal project for 4,000 acres.

Thank you

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:25:52 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Ms. Seedy?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed3:25:58 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Thank you Madam Chair, I do not have any additional comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:26:06 · ≈ 12:26 PM

We're available if you have other comments on some of the public comments that you heard. Just a reminder in the Planning Commission's their actions, they did not certify the EIR so some of the comments there were available to address if you have questions on it but the EIR was not certified. Since EIR was not certified and no class one impacts were identified in the EIRE, the planning commission did not make any specific findings to alternatives because it's not required when there's no class one impacts were identified.

I know there's just some comments about alternatives in the IR. And with respect to the AC, just a note that the Planning Commission's findings for denial were not based on a determination of consistency with the AC land use designation.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:26:52 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Supervisor Wolf?

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction3:26:55 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. I'm wondering if staff could just clarify something so Miss Petrovich talked about the existing roads that they might need to be widened and in your staff report on page 5 it said The project description states that all access roads and individual driveways proposed to serve the project would be improved in conformity with applicable county fire department roadway standards. And then it goes on to say this would include paving and grading To widen and improve the existing access roads. The planning commission found that completion of the access improvements would result in the removal of impediments to growth which are currently in place since a proposed project would improve the main access roads through the site, which extend to the adjacent parcels to the north.

So what does the project. Can you confirm it what the project states is there more than just widening dirt roads or is there or is it more extensive with paving and grading?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed3:28:16 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Wolf, currently there are two or I should say three main access roads through the property. And these roads have not been designed to support the additional 12 residences which would be located within the RDEs so some additional improvements would need to occur to those main access roads. And that could include additional grading to widen the roads or improvements such as paving if that would be required.

So right now, the roads are designed to serve the one main residence on the site. Also roads to each of the RDEs would need to be developed. So right now you have the two, the main access roads into the property and then each of the RDEs would be accessed from a driveway that's taken from that main access road so that's where that grading also comes into play that's referenced in the project description.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction3:29:21 · ≈ 12:29 PM

Thank you for that explanation

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:29:29 · ≈ 12:29 PM

I had a couple of questions. Much of the discussion is that this is a strategy for keeping the land in the family and I just wonder, and this may be a question for Dr. Russell Are there other models for doing that? That would protect families to help them keep land. I'm familiar for example with the Alice all project or just curious if what assurances that this model would work or are there other models that are better?

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CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction3:30:13 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Chair Hartman, I guess they're sort of from my perspective There's two ways to look at that. One way is that generational housing is always a challenge on agriculturally zoned land because there are limitations on the number of residential structures you can place on a particular parcel. On the other hand by subdividing land as people have noted today there's really no guarantee who is going to buy it, who is going to keep it. So I don't think there's really a firm answer as far as other approaches.

I'm not coming up with anything if you had something in particular in mind I could respond but those are my thoughts.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:30:58 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Thank you. Supervisor Lavanino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.883:31:01 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. Well without going back to the planning commission I my one question of staff is which portion or what aspect of this project is inconsistent with county regulations zoning or any ordinance that we have?

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction3:31:21 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Supervisor Labadino, I think the best answer that we can give is that we did recommend approval because we thought it was in fact consistent. However the planning commission went in a different direction so they are higher level decision making body than certainly I am and so we do our best to support their decision.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.883:31:50 · ≈ 12:31 PM

So are we ready to go into deliberation?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:31:52 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Supervisor Adam and I have a couple more questions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:31:56 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Well I'm at deliberations personally, I think we've just heard all we need to hear so if Supervisor Williams has some more comments that's fine I am at deliberations

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:32:08 · ≈ 12:32 PM

personally. I do have a question and that has to do with what project actually were considering. As I understand it the applicant non-renewed the Williamson, the project is now out of Williamson Act so and I've discovered in another context that there are what has been analyzed? What are we looking at? The other question I have is Having to do with the agreement not to subdivide internally.

Is that part of what we are looking at? And I may ask Mr. Gazzone to comment after staff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed3:32:48 · ≈ 12:32 PM

Chair Hartman, there are two items that are not in your project description. It's condition of approval number one and those two items are the a requirement for all of the lots to be put under Williamson Act contract in the future that's not currently there as well as rezoning or down zoning the site to AG 2320 for those larger lots 9 through 13 that's also not currently in the project description

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:33:15 · ≈ 12:33 PM

So that's not what we're considering. Okay and Mr. Goswami would you care to comment?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:33:25 · ≈ 12:33 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, just that the project description is clearly an important part of what you'll be considering today. And we've had a couple variations of that. We heard applicants' attorney describe William Snack contracts which are described as 20-year contracts. I'm more familiar with 10-year contracts. On that but a couple of these might bear nailing down before your deliberation as to what the actual Project description is so we know the project description, which is normally condition one clearly And if it took a break to do that, that might be appropriate

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:34:07 · ≈ 12:34 PM

Well I need a recommendation here because again I'm not sure what is exactly before us. In my view if the Williamson Act is in fact to be renewed for the entire property, I would like some additional analysis to understand what the implications are And the same goes for the internal subdivisions of the property.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:34:41 · ≈ 12:34 PM

And Chair Hartman, I think we're also hearing another part that might warrant further discussion which is the ability of the board to go with a rezone at this point if that has not been considered by the Planning Commission. I just think it might be appropriate to take a short break so that staff could take a look at that and then inform

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:35:01 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Okay so we should do that now before we begin deliberations. Disconvening the August 29, 2017

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:41:41 · ≈ 12:41 PM

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:41:43 · ≈ 12:41 PM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:41:44 · ≈ 12:41 PM

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:41:47 · ≈ 12:41 PM

Sorry we're waiting two more minutes. Okay we're reconvening the August 29 2017 Board of Supervisors meeting and considering the La Laguna appeal. And Dr. Russell?

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction3:46:39 · ≈ 12:46 PM

Chair Hartman, we are hearing some interesting proposals however at this time it is requires that we would do a little bit more analysis and consideration so from my point of view and we certainly can hear from the applicant I think that we have two courses of action at this point, and that would be to act on the project description as it was presented to the Planning Commission or continue the hearing to a future date to further discuss and work out some additions to that project description. But I do not believe that it is wise to do that on the fly here today.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:47:27 · ≈ 12:47 PM

I would like to echo that because I'm confused about what I am responding to and I think the public also has an opportunity to know what the project is. So Ms. Petrovich, oh I'm sorry Mr. Gazzone first please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:47:43 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Chair Harmon and supervisors and just so I won't interrupt Ms. Petrovich when she starts speaking, I would remind you that under the MAP Act there is a clock running so if the applicant was interested in a continuance of this matter to bring back different project description or a clearer project description we'd request that consent on the record. Consent to a continuance.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:48:05 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Ms. Petrovich?

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:48:06 · ≈ 12:48 PM

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just for your edification, Tish was kind enough to pull up on her toy here the application for the farmland security zone program which is this 20-year Ag Preserve Program and it says very clearly that contract terms are for an initial 20 year period as opposed to 10 years for the standard Williamson Act contract As with the standard Williamson Act agreements, the contracts automatically renew each year unless the landowner or the county requests a notice of non-renewal and the program is strictly voluntary. And of course it's under the same law as the Ag Preserve. It just allows for 20 year contract. That is what we're proposing on all of the parcels.

If the staff needs to examine that further and this is your own application off your website So I understand that there may be some confusion because not many people use this 20-year contract. I do believe there's at least one in this county that's been around for quite a long time. So that was what we were proposing.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:49:12 · ≈ 12:49 PM

And there's the other issue of the...

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:49:14 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Oh, rezoning? No, what we were saying is if the county wants to do a rezone which eventually you'll do through that area it's 100 acres zoning and I don't think it's those really steep areas that you saw on our aerials I don't think you're going to want them to stay in 100-acre zoning. That being said, of course the project meets the 100 acre zoning but the back parcels, parcels 9 through 13 are going to well exceed 320 and all I'm saying is if you all come through to do a rezone these applicants have agreed they will not oppose it, these landowners.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:49:48 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Are you willing to continue this for us to do additional analysis or do you want us to go forward with our deliberations

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:49:54 · ≈ 12:49 PM

now? Actually we're willing to continue it if we're not going to reopen the whole thing for a whole bunch of public comment that we have to drag people back to speak again. If it's only to the changes that we propose. I

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:50:07 · ≈ 12:50 PM

believe that may be a problem.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:50:11 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisors if there was a revised project description coming back we would recommend allowing public comment on that.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:50:18 · ≈ 12:50 PM

On the revisions yes, we understand. Not as to the whole project is what I'm saying.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:50:26 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisors as a practical matter I think it's pretty hard to slice public comment quite that fine so I would recommend another round of public comment if this comes back.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:50:37 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Then perhaps it'd be better to trail it until after your executive session so that we can, so the staff can look at the farmland security.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:50:46 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Again I think that I would like more time to analyze this and I think it's not fair to the public to understand exactly what the project description before us is.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:50:57 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Well it's just the Williamson Act with a 20-year contract. That's the change There's no other change, we're just saying we won't oppose rezone. That's not a change in the project description. So all we're doing is proposing that for all these parcels there will be a 20-year contract and I think the staff is just not familiar with it. It's not that it's a foreign concept for the Williamson Act, it's in the Williamson Act

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:51:21 · ≈ 12:51 PM

I understand that however what I'd like to know is what is allowed and isn't allowed under the Williamson Act. And because this project came forward with only part of it potentially in the Williamson Act, I really don't know the answer to that question.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.883:51:41 · ≈ 12:51 PM

But Madam Chair. Oh yes Supervisor Lavanino wasn't that one of the concerns of the opponents was to put it into the Williamson Act?

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:51:50 · ≈ 12:51 PM

To force the applicant

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.883:51:51 · ≈ 12:51 PM

right they wanted to force the applicant into the Williamson act and now they're offering to go into the Williamson Act so I mean I understand what the legalities might be but it doesn't seem like a huge change. It seems like in past hearings whether it's land use or whatever if there is. There are some gives at the end that we've seen in other projects where people come in and say OK well I will capitulate and I'll do X Y or Z and we add those in. It seems like often I don't think it changes the project.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:52:31 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Supervisor Adams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:52:33 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Mr. Gazzone, can we not deal with these things as a condition of approval?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:52:42 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Adam yes we've certainly seen other projects where an applicant on a map will agree to submit an application for example Williamson Act prior to recordation that would be the approach that could be taken or it could just be part of the project description And for clarification, my concern earlier was that parts of the project have been discussing the Williamson Act not the separate Farmland Security Zone contract. Both of these are parts of the California Land Conservation Act but I think it would be worth working through that because I think staff's analysis until now has been under the Williamson Act and its 10-year provisions not the farmland security zone there may be no difference on that but I think it's worth taking a look at before deliberation.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:53:28 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:53:29 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Oh wait a second I'm not

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:53:30 · ≈ 12:53 PM

done with

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:53:30 · ≈ 12:53 PM

that. So is there, would it be improper to make a motion for approval and I don't want to read the whole motion here but if on the condition that we record on the title because these are newly created parcels right? Okay so when we record these parcels they could have conditions of approval recorded into the title.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated3:54:05 · ≈ 12:54 PM

We already wrote a condition for this, just for the grazing parcels. We already have a condition that was crafted at the Planning Commission that required us to submit applications for Williamson Act contracts on lots 9 through 13. All we do is change the wording of that condition to require that it apply to all the parcels and that it be a farmland security contract And I understand about everybody wanting to understand the farmland security contract, but it's no different from the Williamson Act contract. It's the same except as to its term and has better tax benefits than the Williamson Act because

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:54:50 · ≈ 12:54 PM

of the contract. So excuse me Mr. Gazzone, why can't I make a motion that includes that right now?

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:55:02 · ≈ 12:55 PM

I would say that we haven't had full deliberations yet. The

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:55:07 · ≈ 12:55 PM

hypothetical I'm not trying to make the motion, I'm just saying if I wanted to do that right now could I?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:55:16 · ≈ 12:55 PM

Chair Hartman, yes procedurally you could. My recommendation since we're dealing with especially because we're dealing with a map would be that it would be worthwhile to work through the difference of the Williamson Act term that has been analyzed to date and the Frontline Security Zone that Ms. Petrovich has discussed more recently and I think you might want to hear or recommend that you hear from planning that they are ready to go with a motion in terms of how it would actually affect the map that they previously analyzed Maps are not that complicated but there are more moving parts than on some other transactions that the board considers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:55:51 · ≈ 12:55 PM

Well how do you feel about that Mr. Russell? Dr. Rose, sorry.

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction3:55:58 · ≈ 12:55 PM

Through the Chair, Supervisor Adam. The Farmland Security Act approach may be a absolutely wonderful straightforward idea I do not have and I don't believe staff sitting here today has enough Supervisor Williams

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed3:56:43 · ≈ 12:56 PM

Well I just as a suggestion maybe we should at least figure out where the board is on other issues to see if this would even have three vote majority.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:57:00 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Okay Dr. Russell.

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction3:57:04 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Yes, Chair Hartman just to clarify. Although there may be no difference whatsoever between the 20-year and the 10-year Williamson Act contracts we have analyzed the ten year contracts and so that may not be desirable to the applicant but we could move forward with that today

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:57:26 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Okay. And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:57:28 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Chair Hertman, again I've heard the discussion on the project description but my recommendation since there's been a couple different variations of that would be I think it would be helpful to have that on the screen in front of you so we all know what the project description is.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:57:44 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Thank you. Supervisor Adam and then Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:57:49 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Question can we put the 10 year variety of Williamson Act contract on all the parcels without having to go back to square one.

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction3:58:04 · ≈ 12:58 PM

Supervisor Adams through the chair yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:58:07 · ≈ 12:58 PM

OK well In the interest of getting something done for once.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction3:58:28 · ≈ 12:58 PM

Okay well I would agree with, I don't know what farmland security zones are. And for me to sit here and to approve a project that now includes that even though it doesn't include the upper parcels that have been included Thank you. I just, I can't do that until I have a really strong good understanding of what it is. It may in fact change the findings and it may not from the planning commission is what I'm referencing so I just need to understand that. The other question would be as you know I know probably two supervisors wouldn't like this but my question is Should it go back to the planning commission?

I know okay maybe more than two. There's a few people out in the audience that don't want, I'm just wondering if that would be the most appropriate. I mean look at you know I always like, people always blame the county for taking too long and stretching things out but you know in this case we are getting new information and So let's make sure that we do it right. So if we don't need to go back to the planning commission I'd like to hear that fine bring it back to us but I certainly am not in a position today to approve something based on something that I know nothing about.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:00:13 · ≈ 1:00 PM

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:00:16 · ≈ 1:00 PM

would like to hear from Mr. Gazzone

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:00:19 · ≈ 1:00 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, my recommendation would be to not send it back to the Planning Commission because they've taken their final action on it. And this is a quasi-judicial hearing where you're the next level of review.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:00:30 · ≈ 1:00 PM

Okay thank you. I just asked the question.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:00:35 · ≈ 1:00 PM

And I would just like to echo what you said and add to it, I would like to know more about this. I also would like to give the public an opportunity to comment on it and I think safeguarding public process is part of our job. Supervisor Adam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:00:51 · ≈ 1:00 PM

Well I think that it sounds to me like the applicant might submit to withdrawing the 20 year Super Williamson Act so that they can go back to a 10 year standard. Is that correct? OK. So you know we've already got the findings that staff gave to the planning commissions for approval I don't know why we're getting so wound up around the axle here. This thing should just go sailing through and I don't know why we want to make everybody come back and I'm so glad to hear that we're not going to send it back to the planning commission or we've been advised not to send it back to the planning commission. You know these things, let's just vote on it.

And if we don't like it then we just don't like it but you know just to continue to study it. Everybody knows what the Williamson Act is. I'm the guy who hates the Williamson Act up here. You know I am the guy who can't stand the Williamson Act because I think it has adverse economic consequences for other agriculture. But notwithstanding that long standing position, you know it is what it is and these guys have offered to do what they've done and we're not Changing what's been studied.

You know it's been studied with the Williamson Act and if we put it on all of the parcels instead of the ones that have got studied on, we're doing something bigger than you know more I think it's exclusive but I'm not sure that that is the correct term, than what got studied. So or more extensive than what got studied so I think there is enough safeguards in it to just take an action today and I would like to hear, I would like to make a motion but I want to hear what everybody has

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:03:06 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Supervisor Lavanino and then Supervisor Williams.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.884:03:08 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Thank you Madam Chair well I think it would be important in the hearing to hear from the applicant, I've seen nodding heads and things but I haven't heard anybody yet say we would take the 10 year Williamson Act and I think the tradeoff is time more public comment more process or You know it'd be interesting to hear what you're willing to do because I think the feeling of the board is if you want to go with this super Williamson act.

We're talking about another hearing date we're talking about more public comment we're talking about more process and I think it'd be important to hear from you guys.

CommentEd KalaskiProposed · by introduction4:03:57 · ≈ 1:03 PM

While Ms. Petrovich is speaking with her client should the board decide to make a motion today one way or the other we would like to be explicitly clear about what the project description is, what findings were talking about and we would like to help in that regard if and when that comes

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:04:18 · ≈ 1:04 PM

And Mr. Gazzone before Ms. Patrick.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:04:20 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Chair Hartman and supervisors and if the board was inclined to approve the project and I echo Dr. Russell's comment about project description, I note that the findings for approval at the beginning of those findings for approval would be attachment six to the board agenda letter which was the approval package below so that would be a starting point whether you're prepared to approve or deny the project I think you would have another opportunity to decide whether you might want to trail it until later today to give staff time to work through some of

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:04:52 · ≈ 1:04 PM

those. You know, I'm looking at the comprehensive plan preliminary policy consistency and the one that talks about Williamson Act as policy 1D. And but the findings from the planning commission are not based on policy 1D. They're based on policy 1A, 2D and 3A so I'm not I'm not clear Or certain if this discussion about the Williamson Act going into all the parcels or not really would change the findings from the planning commission.

Because that's not what is noted in staffs response on page 5 on the policies that are used as findings.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:05:58 · ≈ 1:05 PM

And I think Ms. Edie wants to respond?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:06:03 · ≈ 1:06 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Wolf, the reason that that finding was not included in the Planning Commission's findings for denial is because the property is currently not under an Ag Preserve contract or under Williamson Act contract. So they didn't make a finding for denial based on it because it doesn't apply currently.

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CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:06:25 · ≈ 1:06 PM

Okay but the other three are still in effect? Or would those be changed? That's what we don't really know. Yeah I mean can you give me an idea because it seems like some of these might not be might not have an impact or might not change even if all the parcels were put into Williamson Act. And I guess that just goes to what Supervisor Hartman just said. We don't have enough information, Williamson Act or this farm land security zone.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed4:07:10 · ≈ 1:07 PM

Supervisor Wolf, through the Chair. Staff's request is if you whatever action you take we would take a look at the findings so we'd ask that we trail this item so that we could come back to make sure the findings are consistent with whatever direction the board would choose to take and the question the clarification we'd have is what findings are you looking at? There's findings for approval that it was attachment six and then there's the findings that the Planning Commission made so we want to make sure that we're consistent with whichever direction the Board chooses to make today

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:07:38 · ≈ 1:07 PM

Okay so just for me personally the ones I'm referring to are in your staff report page 5. The policies 1A, 2D and 3A. Thank you Madam Chair.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:07:50 · ≈ 1:07 PM

Ms. Petrovich.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated4:07:51 · ≈ 1:07 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. Just responding to the question that happened quite a while ago, the applicants certainly would agree to change the 20 years to 10 years in the contract we were trying to respond to concern about the commitment to agriculture so that's why we offered the 20 years

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:08:16 · ≈ 1:08 PM

And the question I think is in addition are you willing to continue to let us look at this in more detail? And both options. Well

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated4:08:25 · ≈ 1:08 PM

actually I would like a decision today with the staff,

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:08:31 · ≈ 1:08 PM

we will wait around. Well no I think then we have to go back to deliberations and address what Supervisor Williams said and what I think Supervisor Wolf is suggesting That is other findings, other issues in the subdivision itself. So

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated4:08:48 · ≈ 1:08 PM

yeah I don't have any idea how important the 20 years is and if that's a major consideration I think we ought to talk about it.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:08:56 · ≈ 1:08 PM

Okay thank you. Supervisor Wolf, I'm sorry Supervisor Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed4:09:03 · ≈ 1:09 PM

Well I do really appreciate the applicant bringing up the Williamson Act and the 20-year contracts as well as the 10 because I do think part of this debate rests on whether or not we agree with the findings of the Planning Commission. And that those findings are mainly to do with whether we think that this project will decrease the continued use of property as agriculture or extend its continued use as agriculture.

I am sympathetic to many of the goals of the applicant, I do think the applicant should be able to have a Have homes on the site. But what is not clear to me is why there is the extent of the subdivision, meaning why it has to go to 13 parcels to meet that those goals and in fact I think that it going to 13 parcels is what muddies this up It's what reduces the score for ag viability to sort of tweener territory.

And look, I'm not an expert on agriculture but there is a scoring system for that viability. And so, you know to me I feel like where we are at is an unfortunate juncture that could be in my mind avoided with more communication between the applicant and opponents. I do think that parcels will have to undergo change in order to hand over to future generations. And the county should be open to that change, but I do not feel that 13 parcels is in the interest of the county and that it causes me to agree with the findings of the Planning Commission because of the extent of the subdivision.

And I do want to read just a section out of the environmental review document. It says that alternative three, which is the eight parcel alternative However, alternative three would meet or partially meet the remaining project objectives besides the objective of getting to 13 lots. And because the objective is to divide the existing single parcel on project site into precisely 13 legal parcels it defines the project narrowly and And I feel like that has been really part of the problem. By defining the project so narrowly, we can't look at...

fully look at what would meet the policies of the county that the Planning Commission has correctly cited in their decision. I just have to say, I would love to approve a project here but I cannot approve the project as has been appealed because I fundamentally believe that the Planning Commission was right in making those findings under this overly narrow project description.

And I think what the applicant has is really, you know, two choices. Let's put all our cards on the table. Unfortunate to that the remedy- for the applicant in the community could be faster- through a negotiation on what- the lot size that would. Enhance the future of agriculture and not endanger it would be- I think Part of meeting my possible objections but without addressing the lot size.

The number of lots is not enough.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:13:56 · ≈ 1:13 PM

Supervisor Lavanino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.884:14:00 · ≈ 1:14 PM

Well that's unfortunate but not unexpected I was You know, it's like at what point I mean the smallest parcel is 160 acres. It's not a 10 acre parcel where we think ag might or might not be viable. It's 160 acres you know and when you looked up and some of the opponents were putting the map up there and I thought to me they're making the case for me because you're putting the map up and a lot of this surrounding area is relative to the same size so I mean to This application, one of the things that we're not looking at. This application was deemed complete July 11th of 2008.

That was a long time ago. No class 1 impacts. It's not a tweener situation on the county scoring system for proposed lots whether or not they're agriculturally viable or not. You either pass or you don't pass and every single one of these lots passed they are all deemed agriculturally viable Our own staff indicated that existing ag operations would not be significantly impacted.

You go through the staff report, biological resources. I don't know how many studies were done out there California Tiger Salamander in 2008 and 2010. There was another study for lease bills in 2014. There was another biological impact analysis in 2009. And the staff reports a special status animal species were not located on the project's site during these surveys, although they do say that there was some habitat.

It's included of these measures as conditions of approval. They would mitigate potential impacts to biological resources to less than significant levels. Our own staff said that it's consistent with the land use element designation, consistent with ag commercial, consistent with Ag 2100 zoning. The proposed density of lots is appropriate for the project. That's our staff recommendation.

When you get down to water, no significant change in quantity, quality, direction or rate of flow of groundwater It was estimated that it will take less than 15 acre feet a year of water, where the county threshold is 23 acre feet a year in the San Antonio Basin. So we're not even close there. It was brought up about hillside and watershed protection policies. Our staff said that it is consistent with all of our policies.

There were no archaeological or cultural sites located in the area, but they would still be required to have a plan development approved expert on site in case there was and then they would halt construction and move from there. Our staff says it's consistent with visual resource policy. I mean 10 out of the 13 homes would not even be able to be viewed. The staff line is that they would be compatible with the character of the surrounding natural environment. They said it's consistent with the land use element regional goal.

It was reviewed by APAC nine years ago. It was consistent with uniform rules for ag preserves. These applicants have been through an exhaustive process. And everybody knows, and we all sit up here and we always say that Santa Barbara County has a higher bar and for good reason. We live in a beautiful place and we all want to keep it that way. But what message does it send to an applicant, or to other applicants that are out there?

That these people spent ten years and came up and crafted something where the smallest lot size is 160 acres. And our staff recommended approval. And then to go through that entire process and move the bar at the end is not good policy. It's not a good process. You only leave one recourse for these folks well two recourses. One is they can cave in and even though they have an approved project not an approved project but they have a staff recommended project that you would then shrink it for no reason other than we want to get some more blood out of the turnip or two.

We make them go you know fight a legal battle which is not in our best interest. So I've looked at this project a lot, I read through the entire staff recommendation, I saw what happened at the planning commission, watched the tape and We can't reject projects based on our own personal ideology. It doesn't work that way. We have to have findings and the findings were in direct contrast direct contrast to what our staff recommended. And so I would obviously support the approval of the project and hope that we can work this out without going to DEFCON 4 on this

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:19:40 · ≈ 1:19 PM

Supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:19:42 · ≈ 1:19 PM

OK well you know 160 is all they gave people during the Homestead Act and then we're going to give you any more than that. And you know I farm 1,800 acres with my brothers and approximately two thirds of that is leased and I've at least parcels as small as 26 acres in fact even smaller than that maybe 25 acres So acreage is it depends on the value of the property and the use of the property. And as you get to the higher value crops, you can get by that's why carpentry has the greenhouses and stuff so you know they can be on five acres and be very productive So you know this whole acreage thing is sort of a red herring for me because all of those smaller parcels are viable with wine grapes, every single one of them. You can get a contract on wine grape production on any one of those right now and to the extent that there's water You're golden so that's not a that's not a deal and then the cattle thing, you know It's better with with larger parcels but you know it can be there's there's There's small parcels in fact even an Urban areas.

I got a friend who puts puts cattle on places in urban areas because he's got some really good dogs and it's if he's able to do it without corrals you just put the trailer out there and up against the fence or something and then he gathers them with the dogs when they've eaten the property down So you know this can be done. You know this is and you're not eliminating agriculture there's no chance that you can eliminate agriculture out on these parcels unless somebody buys them and does not want to engage in it.

That we can't preclude however you can't preclude the chance that somebody buys the whole parcel and doesn't engage in agriculture either So I think you know this is an evolution that's going to happen and it needs to happen. As Supervisor Williams said, I think we need to just stop fighting it so much because it's the way that agriculture is going in the 21st century. You know and we may not like it all the time And it may not meet our expectations sometimes, but I think some of our expectations have become a little unreasonable. So I'm going to make the following motion and we'll see where it goes. Could I have an

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:22:30 · ≈ 1:22 PM

opportunity to deliberate myself? As chair, I'd like to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:22:34 · ≈ 1:22 PM

claim that. If you give me the mic back when you get done

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:22:40 · ≈ 1:22 PM

Of course. Have I ever denied you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:22:43 · ≈ 1:22 PM

Well, sometimes you make a little mistake and you see somebody else's life before mine so I just want to have a deal with you. OK. All right.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:22:56 · ≈ 1:22 PM

As noted, this issue may well go to litigation and therefore the record that we set here is an important one. So I want to take a little time and explain the basis of my reasoning here. And that means going back and looking at what our land use and ag elements are designed to do. And that takes me back to 1910 to 1950 when Los Angeles was the top agricultural county in the United States. In 1963 after the housing boom California established LAFCO and the purpose of them was to deal with the never before witnessed land speculation and development frenzy that was sweeping the state.

Almost overnight developers were transforming orchards, farms and ranches into housing tracts outside existing city boundaries. So lab goes were created to discourage leapfrog development and urban sprawl and preserve open space in prime agricultural lands and ensure that government services are provided in an orderly and efficient manner. Keeping residential development near urban areas reduces costs and increases the efficiency of service delivery such as fire, police, utilities, transit and circulation.

It also protects agricultural lands from sprawl and land speculation. Santa Barbara County, as already noted is distinct among Southern California counties in remaining in agriculture with bounded urban areas separated by working lands. That is what defines our county and why the county continues with the Williamson Act tax relief even after the state pulled back.

Agriculture is our county's biggest industry and Santa Barbara County has a long and cherished commitment to policies that keep land in agriculture. The county's land use elements agricultural goal states, in the rural areas cultivated agriculture shall be preserved and where conditions allow expansion intensification should be supported. Lands with both prime and non-prime soils shall be reserved for agricultural uses.

These goals and policies were adopted in 1991 and they were republished in 2009 Because of findings in the background section of our agricultural document. That noted that agriculture is our leading industry but we have seen a constant and I quote, constant whittling away at this valuable resource. It continued saying that as a coastal county Santa Barbara is particularly susceptible to the urban pressures created by an increasing resident population in the state.

This background section first called out land use conflicts as urban residential development encroaches on agricultural lands and focus next on the division of agricultural parcels into smaller and smaller parcels. And what it stated is this with many agricultural land divisions although the land is not being converted to urban uses, it is broken up into pieces that are too small to be economically viable agricultural units Once the economic viability of the land, please allow me to finish, is lost there is inherently increased pressure for further division of the property and ultimate conversion of the agricultural land to more urban uses. Within the state this phenomenon has become quite prolific. Those are the findings in the background document that support our agricultural element.

This background section did a study during the five-year period from 1979 through 1984. That was a long time ago. During that period agricultural lands were being subdivided and annexed to sprawling cities Since about 2000 something different is occurring. Marin County's 2003 agricultural economic analysis submitted into our record yesterday explains that unlike previously when ag lands were subject to speculation for subdivision into suburban housing Today, the major issue is high value estate development. But the analysis concludes the results are similar. Land costs are driven up beyond agriculture's ability to pay thus discouraging the maintenance of agricultural use.

With regard to new estate development, the Marin County analysis determined that high residential value drives up land ownership costs beyond what agricultural income can cover usually by large orders of magnitude depending on parcel size and the extent of improvements. The Marin analysis used case studies from Marin County to demonstrate how pressure for subdivision into large, high-value agricultural states works. It drives up land values and taxes beyond agriculture's ability to pay.

It involves new estate owners in the complexities of agricultural management in which they have no experience and limited interest. And it introduces land use conflicts between such new urban estate owners and remaining agricultural operations. I would also like to note that in my area where we see a lot of this, Even though there are residential development envelopes, there's a lot of activity that occurs outside and it relates to the estate use and not particularly to agriculture.

I'd like to note that there were references to a number of other studies submitted demonstrating these very impacts on subdividing agricultural lands. And I won't go into those, but a number of them were economic studies showing how there are basic intrinsic values to the land, development rights values that come from subdivisions And speculative value that drives up land surrounding the subdivided land.

Each property is different but the general principle is this. Due to the expansion of development rights principally the right to build homes on subdivided land, the value of subdivided lots exceeds the value of the whole property as a single lot by some factor then after the additional homes are built the cost of the parcels goes way up by the value of those homes which are millions of dollars each.

So turning from theory to the case at hand, the question is whether a rural subdivision of almost 4,000 acres with one house and a cabin into 13 rural ranch estates ranging from 160 to 600 acres preserves cultivated agriculture and reserves the land for agricultural uses. And whether it could allow for expansion and intensification? Although the 13 parcels are still deemed viable it's clear from table 426, 4.2.6 in the EIR that the viability is reduced to lesser numbers from 81.6 or 76 depending on whether it's the consultants or the counties analysis. The viability is reduced not maintained or increased in conflict with our policy.

It seems highly questionable that the agricultural production will be preserved much less expanded or intensified. The current, and I'm now commenting on the project that came before us but the current owners did not renew the Williamson Act contract which expired at the end of 2015. And the EIR notes that future owners may well quote choose to discontinue agricultural use on their property altogether and then justifies this claim that this would not be conservation conversion rather but following. Fallowing of farmland, though, is a temporary practice defined as leaving land idled or plowed and harrowed but unsewn for a period of time to restore fertility as part of crop rotation or to avoid surplus production. So the so-called fallowing rationalized by the EIR is really a change in land use that conflicts with our land use and agricultural policies.

The extensive infrastructure to be developed, extensive paving, grading roads, water supply creates a strong potential for inducing additional residential growth internal to the parcel on neighboring parcels and beyond. Externally surrounding parcels may well see the increased land values from subdivision and choose not to renew their Williamson Act contracts and seek to cash out. There are 18 parcels in close proximity to this parcel totaling about 17,500 acres with at least 10 eligible to apply for a similar subdivision. This is precedent setting and this is very, very important to me. There are large agricultural parcels throughout the Santa Ynez Valley that may also be encouraged to subdivide these cumulative impacts are just what the county's policies are designed to prevent.

The EIR, in my view, greatly understates the conflicts that arise when residential development occurs in the midst of agricultural zone lands. Again land use conflicts as urban residential development encroaches on agricultural lands is a real issue and one that was referred to in our background document that supported our ag and land use elements. My third district office routinely fields calls from people who live on Ag One properties or in EDRNs about complaints from agriculture even though those people moved in to be near it.

We register complaints and here just over the past couple of months, the equipment and messy appearance of agricultural lands why can't I do something about that? The sandblasting of their cars and dust in their homes when the wind sweeps over the newly tilled land. The mud in the road or the bike lanes that erodes from irrigation or rains. The lights and noise from night harvesting, the smell of fertilizer. I've spent many hours about cannons and they're used to scare the birds but they also scare the dogs and the horses.

And most significantly pesticide drift. But the EIR dismisses this stating for example, quote, the oversight and regulation of pesticide use provided by the County Agricultural Commissioner's Office would minimize any potential for pesticide drift or inadvertent exposure. No mitigation measures would be required and there are less than significant impacts. I work for the US EPA Region 3 on FIFRA, the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act. And this is what I can say.

Our national pesticide law is not a health or safety-based law. Instead it's based on risk benefit analysis. If a pesticide offers enough economic benefits, it can be registered. It is nearly impossible to do a sound risk benefit analysis There is no satisfactory way, for example to weigh the costs of 2 million dead birds or 100 children born with birth defects against the profit margins of chemical manufacturing companies. The registration process is cumbersome and expensive but it misses or ignores many important effects. Pesticides are registered while important health and safety data are still being generated. Re-evaluations of old pesticides are mandated by laws passed In the 1970s and they're still incomplete, pesticides may continue to be used after evidence of their hazards is given to EPA.

And pesticides may never be required to be tested for certain kinds of hazards and the interactive impacts of different pesticides on human health are simply not studied. I get regular complaints from people in Guadalupe and Tanglewood about the pesticides they are exposed to. They can't move away, but people who can afford large ranch estates have the opportunity especially if they own the land to say they're not going to continue with that kind of nuisance.

Santa Barbara County can point to a specific example of where they actually approved a project such as this subdividing and saying that it would in fact be managed in agriculture. That is the Edgewood Estates. It's located off Lambert Road east of Summerlin. This 1980s agricultural subdivision the EIR reviewed creation of 10 to 20 acre parcels forecast by the EIR to remain in agricultural production, lemon orchards highly productive and highly profitable. 30 years later, the site hosts two polo fields and a university but no lemon orchards. Despite the fact that lemons are such a high value agricultural crop even I'm told more highly valuable than row crops. So it demonstrates that despite the claims of the EIR residential development drove out lucrative agriculture.

So in closing I refer back to the background statement justifying our county's land use and agricultural elements. There is inherently increased pressure for further division of the property and ultimate conversion of the agricultural land to urban uses within the state this phenomenon has become quite prolific. We purposely and deliberately have policies in place to prevent that.

Thank you for indulging me Supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:37:21 · ≈ 1:37 PM

Thank you very much. OK so I'm going to make a motion to grant the appeal approve the project with conditions of approval offered by the applicant to put all of the properties into AG preserve for the standard 10 year contract and waive objection to the rezone if that if the county ever pursues it recorded onto the title And make the findings originally proposed by staff in their recommendations for approval to the Planning Commission and approve the project de novo.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:38:06 · ≈ 1:38 PM

Chair Herman could I just ask if this is or I would recommend this be a conceptual motion? I think we've recommended to planning that whether it's an approval or denial today that they have some time to go back and actually match the findings to whatever motion the board would be taking today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:38:22 · ≈ 1:38 PM

I will make it a conceptual motion and maybe we can trail this until after closed session and then we can deal with that. Okay. I will give you a conceptual second. I conceptually appreciate that, thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:38:36 · ≈ 1:38 PM

And is there any more conceptual discussion? Okay would you call the

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.884:38:42 · ≈ 1:38 PM

yes. I just wanted to comment on something that you had said, because I think a lot of it had to do with whether things were agriculturally viable or not.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:38:56 · ≈ 1:38 PM

No.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.884:38:58 · ≈ 1:38 PM

I lost you somewhere in there then. OK. Which doesn't surprise me. That's OK. Let's just go to our vote then.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:39:04 · ≈ 1:39 PM

All right. Mr. Williams? No. Ms. Wolfe? No Mr. Adam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:39:13 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:39:14 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Mr Lavinino? Yes Miss Hartman? Motion fails 3 2.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:39:22 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Do we have any other motions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:39:35 · ≈ 1:39 PM

OK well then I will make yes I will make another motion. I will make a motion to make that not conceptual so we can ripen this thing up. Same motion second.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:39:48 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Would you call the vote again?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:39:52 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Mr. Williams? No. Ms. Wolfe?

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:39:58 · ≈ 1:39 PM

No

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:40:00 · ≈ 1:40 PM

I think you need clarification. Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed4:40:04 · ≈ 1:40 PM

Well if you're going to make me read it all over again, OK. All right so we grant the appeal approve the project with conditions of approval offered by the applicant to put all of the properties into AG preserve for the standard 10 year contract period waive objection to rezone on the larger parcels And record all that on the title. Certify the EIR that was presented to the planning commission make findings originally proposed by staff in their recommendations for approval to the Planning Commission and approve the project de novo.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:40:49 · ≈ 1:40 PM

Supervisor Wolf did you have anything to add? Mr. Gazzone.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:40:53 · ≈ 1:40 PM

Chair Hartman I just recommend that you hear from planning on whether they feel that they need to make any amendments to the findings that are attachment six based on the change to the motion which reflects Williamson Act because I think there's some changes from the findings that were recommended below.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed4:41:15 · ≈ 1:41 PM

Madam Chair, we've reviewed the findings and we believe we do not need to make any subsequent changes based on that offer for Williams-Mack today.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:41:23 · ≈ 1:41 PM

Ms. Alexander would you call the vote?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:41:26 · ≈ 1:41 PM

Mr. Williams? No. Ms Wolfe? No Mr. Adam? Yes. Mr. Lavinino? Aye. Ms Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:41:33 · ≈ 1:41 PM

No

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:41:34 · ≈ 1:41 PM

Motion fails 3-2.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:41:36 · ≈ 1:41 PM

I'll make a motion. I have an alternative motion would you

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:41:40 · ≈ 1:41 PM

care to make it? You go ahead.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:41:46 · ≈ 1:41 PM

I would move that we deny the appeal case number 17APL-00000-00004 and that we make the required findings for denial of the project including CEQA findings revised through this motion to incorporate by reference into findings 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 The following documents and evidence 1. Letter from Linda Kropp EDC to Board of Supervisors dated August 25, 2017 with attachments A through D 2. One page letter from Linda Kropp EDC to the Board of Supervisors dated August 28, 2017 one-page document entitled Santa Ynez Valley Ag Properties Currently on the Market 4. Statistics from agricultural element evidencing the parcelization trend including that from October 1, 1979 to September 30, 1984 113 agriculturally zoned parcels 30,168 total acres were subdivided into a total of 432 parcels.

Of these 44 parcels which contained over 100 acres were divided into 233 parcels Board of Supervisors meeting And C, determine that denial of the project case numbers and I won't repeat those here is exempt from CEQA pursuant to CEQA guidelines section 15270 and deny the project de novo. May I have a second?

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CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:43:39 · ≈ 1:43 PM

I have a question maybe of council. There were some items that were mentioned by Supervisor Hart that I haven't seen although I agree with the body of her recommendation so do I

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:44:03 · ≈ 1:44 PM

Chairman and Supervisor Wolf. So I was about to recommend that even on this denial that might be a conceptual to give staff time to prepare this and it might result in trailing the item even partway through closed session come back out and take that but I think that if there are materials, I understand the materials that Chair Hartman has just mentioned are actually posted on the website and are available for your review

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:44:30 · ≈ 1:44 PM

So if they're available for review then.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:44:35 · ≈ 1:44 PM

They could be part of the motion.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction4:44:37 · ≈ 1:44 PM

OK it's fine. I'll

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:44:42 · ≈ 1:44 PM

second the motion. And do does it have to be conceptual at this point? Do we have to come back?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:44:48 · ≈ 1:44 PM

I just spoke sidebar with our planning staff who I think would like the opportunity to go through this motion a little slower and make sure that there are no changes required to the findings.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:44:57 · ≈ 1:44 PM

Okay so we have a motion and a second. May I have, Supervisor Wolf? So could you call the vote please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:45:10 · ≈ 1:45 PM

Mr. Williams? Aye. Ms. Wolf? Aye. Mr. Adam? No. Mr. Lavinino? Nope. Ms Hartman? Aye Motion passes 3-2

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:45:28 · ≈ 1:45 PM

So now we are recessing to closed session that completes the departmental agenda except for the trail item. But Mr. DeZone will you talk about what we're going to do in closed

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:45:38 · ≈ 1:45 PM

session? I will and I understand from planning staff that they would like someplace between 90 minutes and two hours before returning. And I think it would be an opportunity to maybe complete part of closed session come back out or you can complete all of closed

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:45:51 · ≈ 1:45 PM

session. I would like to go to closed session and complete it and then although I don't want to have to keep planning staff here if they can go.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:45:59 · ≈ 1:45 PM

So

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:46:00 · ≈ 1:46 PM

today

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed4:46:01 · ≈ 1:46 PM

in closed session we're noticed to consider A series of existing litigation items that I'll go through now. Garcia versus County of Santa Barbara is a superior court case. Colbert versus County of Santa Barbara, superior court case. Two related items concerning camp for County of Santa Barbara versus Zinke and County of Santa Barbara versus Pacific Regional Director Bureau of Indian Affairs. We also have several related cases involving the county challenging State of California Department of Healthcare Services Those cases are listed by case number 1, 2, 3, 5 of those cases all concerning health care services. Then conference with legal counsel for one case of anticipated litigation to performance evaluations, one for county executive officer, one for county council public employee appointment reappointment for county executive officer and two labor items first.

A conference of labor negotiators concerning county executive officer where the agency representative is the chair, Chair Hartman. And then a conference concerning all bargaining units on represented employees managers and executives and I estimate about three hours.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:47:18 · ≈ 1:47 PM

Yeah so let's see. So I think what we will, I will find the motion that I made and give that to P&D and then in the interest of safeguarding your time you could come tell us when you've got something and we can come back and take the actual vote would that be good? Okay so we're recessed. Let's have 10 minutes before we start our closed session.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:00:36 · ≈ 2:00 PM

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:18:34 · ≈ 3:18 PM

Good evening our August 29, 2017 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in Santa Maria. We are breaking from our closed session to complete our vote on item four in our departmental agenda and Ms. Edie you will present the motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:18:54 · ≈ 3:18 PM

Thank you Madam Chair. We have a slide that we're going to put up that has the motion on it and in addition we've also prepared revised findings for the project, they are included in attachment one of the board letter that we distributed and the new language is shown underlined in the document

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:19:50 · ≈ 3:19 PM

Has everybody had an opportunity to read it. So may I have a motion?

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction6:20:08 · ≈ 3:20 PM

I just just again just confirming that of the items that we've looked at. I've looked at some but not all so I just want to make sure that I can move this item

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed6:20:22 · ≈ 3:20 PM

chair and to raise your wealth with with that. I would recommend that you take a few minutes to actually look at the items online since they are you will be voting that this is part of the finding linking your decision to the evidence And we could take a break to do that.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:20:58 · ≈ 3:20 PM

Okay we are going to take a short break so that those board members who haven't seen these materials can actually look at them and confirm that they are part of their deliberations in decision. You.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:24:49 · ≈ 3:24 PM

you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed6:25:33 · ≈ 3:25 PM

Part B six and therefore your motion would still be proper if it omitted Section 6 case studies in Santa Barbara County including Edgewood Estates and Mission Oaks Ranch.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction6:25:47 · ≈ 3:25 PM

And I should just say that I watched the planning commission hearing so everything else I've seen either the paper or the testimony. I just cannot see six.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:26:06 · ≈ 3:26 PM

I guess I have a question then. Do we do we vote or would our record be stronger if we continued and came back? Or what do you recommend Mr. Gazzone?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed6:26:18 · ≈ 3:26 PM

Chair, I think you've had one supervisor say that she has not seen subpart 6 the case studies in Santa Barbara County and therefore your choices would be to either continue the matter make those available as part of the record or to just have the motion go forward without subpart six Which would be fine.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:26:44 · ≈ 3:26 PM

Okay thank

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction6:26:45 · ≈ 3:26 PM

you so may I have a motion? Madam Chair I'll move recommended actions A through D with the elimination of B6.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed6:26:59 · ≈ 3:26 PM

Second.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:26:59 · ≈ 3:26 PM

Okay would you call, is there any further discussion? Supervisor Lavanino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.886:27:07 · ≈ 3:27 PM

No I'm voting.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:27:09 · ≈ 3:27 PM

Supervisor Adam did you have further discussion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:27:13 · ≈ 3:27 PM

I will just make the observation that how many parcels were subdivided from 1979 to 1984 is irrelevant. And people are living on those parcels right now, they're a lot of your constituents so I don't know what the problem is there but anyway let's vote.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated6:27:37 · ≈ 3:27 PM

Are you going to take comment on the motion and the new findings?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:27:40 · ≈ 3:27 PM

Yes.

PresenterSusan Petrovichapplicants for the Rancho La Laguna project So this is Rancho La LagunaProposedself-stated6:27:42 · ≈ 3:27 PM

Thank you is that my cue yes okay great thank you Susan Petrovich just for the record I do object on due process grounds to the inclusion of these lately submitted this late submitted evidence As you heard from Supervisor Wolf she had not seen the material and it's one thing for her to sit and read it here but when I checked the website postings yesterday was not posted so the public and certainly members of project team didn't have access to it.

I don't know how many members of the board have read all this material, Supervisor Wolf is the only one who stated that she did not but others did not state they had but In any event, I think it's inappropriate under due process for any of this material to be inserted into the record at the last minute when others haven't had a chance to review it. Friday is when everybody ordinarily gets all their material in and submitting it sometime in the afternoon on Monday is just inappropriate for due process reasons. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:28:53 · ≈ 3:28 PM

Do we have any other public comment on the motion?

CommentLinda KroppProposed6:29:00 · ≈ 3:29 PM

Thank you, Linda crop Environmental Defense Center on behalf of SB can items. 123 and five were submitted in accordance with county rules and procedures.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:29:19 · ≈ 3:29 PM

Director Peters Supervisor Wolf and then Adam.

CommentKen HuffProposed · by introduction6:29:23 · ≈ 3:29 PM

Just making clear that the one that I did not see was item 6 and that was why, that was my motion thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:29:33 · ≈ 3:29 PM

So we have deleted the one that you haven't seen supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:29:37 · ≈ 3:29 PM

Well my staff couldn't open Legistar so we couldn't get any of it so I haven't reviewed it but I'm ready to move forward anyway.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:29:56 · ≈ 3:29 PM

Okay let's see. May I have Mr. Cassoni was there anything else you wanted to add? No Madam Chair. Did I have a motion now taking out and we had it, I'm sorry. So the roll call vote thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:30:13 · ≈ 3:30 PM

Mr. Williams? Aye. Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Mr Adam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:30:17 · ≈ 3:30 PM

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:30:18 · ≈ 3:30 PM

Mr Lavinino? No. Ms Hartman? Aye Motion passes 3-2

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed6:30:26 · ≈ 3:30 PM

And Madam Chair, we had previously reviewed the closed session agenda and I will then review that again once we close out of closed session. But I'd recommend just resuming closed session at this time.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:30:37 · ≈ 3:30 PM

All right thank you

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.808:09:20 · ≈ 5:09 PM

I'll get there just for the end. We're reconvening the August 29 2017 Board of Supervisors meeting in Santa Barbara County at the Santa Maria hearing room. We're coming back from closed session and Mr. Gazzone would you report out?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed8:09:57 · ≈ 5:09 PM

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, today in closed session the board considered four existing litigation cases. First Garcia versus County of Santa Barbara, next Colbert versus County of Santa Barbara then two related cases, County of Santa Barbara versus Zinke and County of Santa Barbara versus Pacific Regional Director Bureau of Indian Affairs. The Board also considered five related cases involving the State Department of Healthcare Services All involving audit appeals. Then there was one case of, excuse me, anticipated litigation conference with legal counsel. Two performance evaluations, one county executive officer, second county counsel. Public employee appointment reappointment, county executive officer. Conference with labor negotiators for two items.

First, county executive officer and then second all bargaining units on representative employees managers and executives if there were no reportable actions.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.808:10:56 · ≈ 5:10 PM

Thank you so we adjourn to September 12th in Santa Barbara I believe. Okay meeting adjourned.