Board of Supervisors — 2017-10-17

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Good morning and welcome to this October 17, 2017 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in Santa Barbara. Would you call the roll Mr. Allen?

Mr. Lavagnino, Mr. Williams, Ms. Wolfe, Mr. Adam, Ms Hartman.

And turning to the minutes of October 10, 2017 may I have a motion to approve? A second.

Second.

All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The minutes pass. Turning to our CEO's report Ms. Miyasato. Good morning

Chair Hartman and board members. This morning we wanted to spend a little bit of time giving you an update regarding our emergency alerting system so I asked Rob Lewin, our director the Office of Emergency Services to speak a little about it given the events in Santa Rosa this past week and just to let you know there is information also on the website that we posted last weekend

I thank you Miss Miyasato. Chair and Board, thank you for inviting us this morning to share some information. And with me today we have Chief McElroy from the City Fire Department. We have Fire Chief Eric Peterson and we have the Sheriff Chief Deputy Laniver as well as I have my staff with me Brian Ewell who's integral in the system as well as his partner Joe Ayala from Sheriff's Dispatch.

The tragedies in Northern California is something we in Santa Barbara understand. Our fire history is filled with fires that have caused great losses. We are similar in so many ways to both Sonoma, Napa and Mendocino counties. No question there's much to learn from their experiences just as California has learned much from our past fires. Most notably of course is the Painted Cave Fire which led to the creation of the standardized emergency management system, SEMS, which we utilize every day here in this state.

And I just want to applaud you, the Board of Supervisors for raising this question this week. The question being are we ready in Santa Barbara to alert our communities? And there are many ways to alert the public. A hundred plus years ago when there was a fire they rang church bells and firehouse bells and woke the town up during World War II air raid sirens were installed The technology now has allowed us to move forward on other multiple methods. The county was very forward thinking two years ago when it attained a grant funding for the Everbridge software program that we utilize, now the county is funding that system on behalf of all the jurisdictions and as you can see from the slide here that the methods that we use to notify the public are deep.

The door-to-door notification is still the most important part of the equation That method of sheriff's deputies and law enforcement officers from jurisdictions and firefighters on the scene, simply knocking on people's doors and waking people up and getting them out of harm's way. The other systems can all be done now fortunately through the Everbridge system. These include standardized media releases. Of course social media now has a huge ability to give information instantaneously directly to people as well as to the media With Aware and Prepare, when people sign up we can now send text messages, emails and we can also send voice recordings to their cell phones if they're signed up.

We are able to send voicemail to all landlines without even people being signed up as well as we can do something called WEA The wireless emergency alert system. This is the system that's been scrutinized now from the fires in Northern California, the ability to send something akin to an amber alert which all of us have experienced where your phone without any control no matter if it's muted or not will activate will put out a sound and will alert people We also have the emergency alert system which has been around for a long, long time. Which sends a message over radio and phone.

So how do we determine what to send? What of these different techniques, how should we send it and also how quickly can we get these messages out. So in the system of sending out alert the most important thing of course is alerting of the emergency. The public will call 911 there'll be a notification of the system other means can be that the National Weather Service could send out an alert of an incoming We're going to be talking about the storm. Of course, back east those oftentimes are tornadoes and in the south there can be hurricanes here they can be thunderstorms. Yes ma'am.

May I interrupt? Uh we don't all have copies of this up here. Are there any extras Supervisor Adam and Supervisor Wolf don't have them? Sorry to interrupt.

Not a problem chair thank you. The of course so the ability of the National Weather Service is also important to be able to send out and notify. So once we have notification our dispatch centers there's emergencies, of course the dispatch is done and resources are responding. And of course all of this takes time. The incident is occurring, our emergency responders are getting there, and then they need to be able to do what is often referred to as a size up or an understanding of the situation to gather up what is occurring. Of course, during the night this is more problematic and it's more difficult to get good situational awareness in the dark of night.

You're also confounded because you do not have the use generally of aircraft at night to be able to give you a good view of what's going on. And then of course that takes time and then of course then at some point our incident commanders make a decision that some kind of alerting needs to take place usually because of an evacuation They notify our dispatch center and the dispatch center in turn gathers that information and prepares an alert. And along this time, this process can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 40 minutes just from the time of the inception.

Fortunately in this county we have a forward leaning dispatch center and you can see in the second column there or field response that a dispatcher is able to jump the gun and send out a precautionary notice to the public and let them know but this is generally for people that are signed up for aware and prepare Not, we wouldn't generally use a WEA message because we wouldn't have proper intelligence for that.

So in order to remove some of the subjectivity of what our dispatchers and our OEM duty officers need to do when they're sending out alert, we've created a very comprehensive SOP. The SOP part of the table on the screen here demonstrates that when we identify what kind of an alert needs to go out, that's in the second column, we know that it's going to be either low urgency or high urgency. If it rises to what we refer to as a tier four, we're going to pull all stops and we're going to send out alert messaging in all the possible ways that we can do that. Everything from a simple Nixle text message all the way down to a WEA and an emergency alert system where it interrupts your programming on your radio and television.

But the system has problems. As we all may or may not have seen during the storms that we had this summer, we put out emergency alerts over our radio and television. And we found that some of the parts of the system have problems as you can see from the screen that the complexity of the emergency alert system in the United States is difficult to follow The messaging can come from the president or it can come from us locally.

The system is designed to do that. The problem is that we're relying on a volunteer program from our broadcasters and they are required, they need to have a certain kind of technology. We have to have a certain kind of technology and then FEMA has to have a certain kind if these systems are not compatible the system will fail in some degree as we noted during the storms where Our cable television provider having constant messagings that we're sending information and changing people's channels and not providing that data. So fortunately, we've convened a meeting in this county of all of our folks so we did several weeks ago and we're working through this problem and we're going to keep working on it until it's resolved.

Since the time that we have taken on the ability to put out wireless emergency alerts, which is a new system, new technology. And we can see that some of the counties in California are not there yet on being able to do it. We are and since the time that we've done it in January, we've put out nine wireless emergency alerts that have woken up people's cell phones and sent out these messages that you can see on the screen.

For example, we put out an alert to put an evacuation warning to people who lived in the Alamo burn area. The first time we did that, we didn't mention that it was east of Santa Maria. People don't know where the Alamo burn area is in all cases in the county because the WEA system will wake up phones across the county It caused a lot of 911 calls. The next time we had to do it, unfortunately, a week later, we were a little more careful. The limitation is that we're limited to 90 characters in those WEA alerts which makes trying to create a message that's usable difficult.

So some of the problems of course we have are listed in the memo that you received. Some of our community members are more vulnerable than others. There are people with access and functional needs whether that is due to a disability or non-English speakers, elderly and other things that mean that people aren't receiving it as well as others. We have to address this and we have begun that. We had a meeting couple weeks ago our first one called the whole community work group where we're trying to address how we can make sure that were able to alert all of our public. It's a tall order it requires a lot of effort by a lot of nonprofits as well as government agencies and we're going to try to do it but it's not going to be easy.

We are still have a population that doesn't have technology They are generally elderly folks that they're not, they don't have smartphones. They may not even have a cell phone and so they're not going to be alerted and we saw that in some of the fires up north and so we still have to be vigilant in our door-to-door method of notifying people and try to figure out how to touch these folks We in dispatch and OEM need to continuously train and perfect our alerting system in the same way a peace officer trains with their weapon or a firefighter trains on ladders.

Our tool is this program Everbridge through awareandprayer.org, and we have to continuously train on it because it requires skill, and we do, and we're going to continue to do it. And we may even do more. I believe that the state should be forming a working group, maybe a Blue Ribbon Commission to review the alerting systems within the counties of the state.

They need to provide the leadership to ensure that we are all prepared in this state for alerting to the degree at least what we do here in Santa Barbara County and maybe beyond. And of course folks are here with me if you have any questions for any of us were glad to take them.

Thank you Mr. Lewin. Any questions from members of the board? Supervisor Adam.

Yeah the only thing I would say is I heard you talk about having a countywide alert for a specific area place and I would hate to see you turn into the little boy that cried wolf and it's like those Proposition 65 warnings where everything Everybody has to say that you can get cancer if you enter here and now nobody pays any attention to those things because they are ubiquitous. So I think we've got to really try to pinpoint so you don't send people a bunch of too much stuff which isn't really relevant to them, and when they get one they can take it seriously because I'm afraid If people get in the habit of getting too many of these things, then they will tend to ignore them.

Chair and Supervisor Adam, thank you. Yes those are wise words and we do our best to make sure that we're not over sending when we first got Everbridge we definitely oversent and we backed way off that was the creation of that table now we try to limit what we're sending out two things that are important in particular during evacuations it's all stops are pulled and we do everything we can to notify people one of the limitations is that the WEA system Although it was designed so that would only wake up the cell towers in the area that we've drawn a map around, we're finding that it's alerting everybody in the county.

And we're not sure exactly why and we're researching that with FEMA. This is a nationwide problem. There was an alert that went out in Riverside County and unfortunately notified all of LA County and they did not specifically say where the evacuation was. So essentially it said evacuate. The county. So we are trying to avoid that through good words and also through being very careful about when we send them out and also working with FEMA on a system that needs to be improved.

Yeah you know too many times, and I don't think it's a lot, I think that could be a two or three time thing and people will start ignoring it and that could really lead to some tragedy. You know if people are getting messages and they find that they're just, I don't want to say it this way but for lack of a better term just trash. That could really be embarrassing down the line someplace so you know I think you'd better pull some of the best minds you can find in and figure out why that's doing that because that could really lead to something tragic.

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Lewin thank you very much for being here and providing this information and I know that I was one of the people during the week who had asked for information so this is obviously important for us to know. You know we as you know and I think most people know, we had lost our house in the Painted Cave fire and have been evacuated a couple of times in subsequent fires. So making sure that the public knows what's going on where to go when to evacuate understanding the nomenclature evacuation warnings mandatory evacuation is really important and I think Your team has done a really good job. We have our PIO in the back, Gina who's also done a tremendous job and it is much different than 1990. I didn't realize that's when Sims came into being was subsequent to that fire.

There's still a couple of issues that I just want to touch base on. One of the things that I've heard from my constituents on the fires is that we don't have a really good mapping system or GIS technology so that when things are broadcast people can actually see where the evacuation warning order is in the streets and you know we've talked about that and you actually talk about it in your memo to us And it sounds like that you don't have a GIS person as part of your staff and you depend on fire which recently hired a GIS technician.

I seem to recall so if you can just touch on that before because I really do think that having someone available in your team who and I thought maybe P&D also has GIS folks but can you touch on that a little bit? On what we can do to ensure that that information gets out to the public.

Well of course in the initial phase of an emergency it's going to be hard to get good mapping regardless of how many people we have because of the time that we're trying to get the information out. We have come up with some simple remedies because of the lack of GIS on the past fires and that was to make sure we're using any kind of mapping tools that we can and our folks have been trained in those simple ones. That said, Fire Chief and I have talked We've been working informally about trying to figure out how to solve this problem.

We're committed to working together on seeing how we can leverage our programs together to try to solve the GIS program. We've also put on a course most recently, maybe three weeks ago where we invited all the county GIS specialists both from jurisdictions and our own agencies to come for two day emergency mapping message. OEM sponsored that. From Cal Fire and the class was well received in just a matter of a week or two later. The fire, the Redker fire occurred in one of those folks in the class from Lompoc was successful in providing really good mapping based on that training so we're taking effort to try to work the problem through And maps, of course, are always difficult even when you have the best technology. We do have the ability to look at satellite imagery and satellite hotspots and we're using all of those technologies.

We're a little behind in this county but we're gonna try to fix that

OK and as we try and fix that C.E.M. maybe we can have a follow up to this discussion agendized maybe in six months so we can follow up on that. And I also just want to ask the question how does your information get to our PIO so that she can send it out through some of the county Facebook and Twitter and things like that? Is there do you have what is that relationship?

Well it's very good. I can assure you that Gina and I probably talk three or four times a week.

I didn't mean subjectively, is there like a linear?

I'm in an emergency situation where it's really tight. Our JIC stands up very quickly during an emergency That's fully supported by our executive office. They come running and send people quickly to the JIC, recognizing that public information is critical. Even during that initial phase, our staff is able to put together a quick map using simple tools and we're able to tweet it. Those tweets are retweeted by the fire department or they start them and we retweet them in the county on there starts doing it. We start building our program even when we're not in the facility at our EOC so It's pretty good. I don't know that we need to change much of how that is going it's really because we are all cooperating together, fire department, sheriff everybody.

So I would also if and when you come back let's just assume you're coming back in six months it would be good to have a flowchart of your department, sheriff, dispatch, our PIO so that we have a good understanding I also want to, Madam Chair if I could ask a couple more questions. Our relationship with our media partners in the past and I brought this with me you know we have MOUs I think in place with our radio stations Spanish speaking radio stations And I think that this is something that we probably should look to update because when people, you know we talk about the cranked phones or radios and people need to have those available. So if they have them available then what radio station do they go to? And so it would be good to have that updated information for us so we know.

Also, people oftentimes will go into their cars and listen on their car radio to get information if they can't get TV or their internet is out. So having the community know and understand who are our radio partners I think is also really important. Another thing I wanted to touch on was the cows that you mentioned in your report. You know that came up in the Sonoma fire.

And what is this, where are we on that in the county? And it's not milk, it's not cows that Supervisor Adam might think of. It's the other kind of

cow. Of course our cellular providers are all chair and supervisor. Yeah it's

a cellular, what is it cellulars?

Cellulars on wheels.

On

wheels. The cellular system that we have of course is private. And the private providers, we're relying on them both for our emergency responders as well as alerting the public. Same with the internet. It's all really relying on the helpfulness of these providers and for the most part they're pretty incredible. We've had fires where we've asked for them to bring the cellular on wheels the cows out and they will set up a cell site and create it in a canyon that has no cell coverage they'll correct that.

I think where we need to go now, what we've learned this week is we need to touch bases with those providers the major ones and see if we can make sure that we can even move that process of getting cows out to the scene quicker. Of course we're going to be competing with other counties for those resources so we also talking about how many they have. I think we probably should wait a couple weeks till they're done dealing with the fires up north but we intend to have that meeting

Okay and just you know I talked about our you know radio. I touched on County TV who is responsible for reaching out to our other like Ed Hatt the independent news hawk who was frequently sending out Facebook posts and Twitters? Is that our PIO or is that you?

That would be our PIO for the most part. Okay

and I guess, and I've been in touch with Supervisor Zane up in Sonoma and of course the loss of life is the most tragic and people fleeing their homes in you know the worst conditions. So this the WEA response has been something that I've been interested in and I didn't realize that our county has that capability so that's obviously good to know. There was an article in the San Jose Mercury News or Times That did talk about the fact that you can localize the- the notices that go out. So I suspect that that is something that you you mentioned it and that will be something that you'll be working on because I do think that there's.

That notification early is so important and and I understand what supervisor Adam is saying about crying wolf but I also think I think we're not immune to this and we take it seriously so that when we hear something from you folks people really need to understand that it's important to act. And it's important to act right away, not when the flames are right in front of you. Or any other type of emergency. So I think that's just the message is don't wait to evacuate if there is a problem you just have to leave your house and so anyway those are my final words and before you leave if you can also just because I ask you this every time you come, is to restate how people can sign up for Aware and Prepare.

Yeah, and that's a simple aware and prepare one word.org awareandprepared.org it takes one minute click on the button that says alert and it's done. And that numbers have grown because of the fires up north they grow every time we have an incident. We have a number we have almost 13,000 people signed up for Aware and Prepare in this county. We need that number to be 100,000. We needed to be more and that is the best way for us deliver messages.

Thank you Mr. Lewin and to all of our first responders in our community for being responsive and taking this seriously.

I just want to let everyone know that we do have copies of this at the back of the room, the report that the board had that we saw up on the PowerPoint presentation. Supervisor Williams?

Just wanted to thank you for also highlighting the limitations I just want to make a couple of comments about the importance of cell phone technology- not only for the reasons that you've enunciated but also for the falling location accuracy. In nine one one calls it I always think it's an important thing to highlight that. It is technology is not as reliable as we think it is we look at at you know maybe being able use a map at Yelp or our It's not something you want to stake your life on, so I personally counsel people to get landlines. I hadn't had a landline for 10 years and as soon as My baby was born, I got a landline.

And it's because location accuracy is actually getting worse for most cell providers. It's really not calling 911 from the cell is not really the best way to make sure that emergency responders know where you are and obviously it's easier for you to notify people in landlines particularly if their cell phone You know, how do you know that a cell phone is local?

I guess you have to use suffixes or hope that the cell towers are going to be pointed in the right direction. So I guess the only question I had is how many people do we have in the aware and prepare alerts because I definitely noticed that I get a lot of positive feedback from people when I basically take your information and just put it on my Facebook. That's where they're getting information. And I know that's a little scary, but at least I'm using all your information and putting it out so how many people have signed

up? So we've supervisor we fortunately have 12,000 signed up almost 13,000 actually and that number is growing and we just we hope that all of you will reach out to your constituents and encourage them to sign up. And as well, I think it's terrific that all of you You know are using your social media accounts to reach your constituents to send them this vital information. That's the beauty of social media is we're all getting the information out. We do need to be very careful that that media, excuse me, that that information is accurate and it has to be quick so sometimes we lose a little bit accuracy with promptness but at the same time that's a good charge for all of you and we really appreciate that you

I had a couple of things I would like to add, Mr. Lewin. I was driving last January down the 101 about 830 in the morning and suddenly my car started blaring and I thought oh what's wrong? Pulled over but it was part of the flood control flood warning at El Capitan so that was my introduction to the WEA system. It suggests to me that people need to Change their behavior perhaps and sleep with their cell phones near especially when it's red flag days. I think too, I'm wondering just whether home alarm systems and especially the elderly.

When my mother was old we kept her independent by having a thing around her neck that went to accompany so if she fell but maybe there's some relationship we could have with people like that and encourage I think it's important for older people in our area to do that because it is not high-tech. People are especially sensitive right now after what has happened in Napa Sonoma and wonder if a PSA campaign or something on Facebook about Aware and Prepare so we can really make a big bump in the numbers of people who are signed up?

Chair absolutely I'm sure that Gina and I can pull that together.

And while Chief Peterson is here could you tell us about county firefighters and what you know about what's happening in Napa Sonoma?

Chair Hartman we get regular updates from our people up there. We have about, we have a strike team of probably I think we have about 30 or 40 people up there right now. The OP area has about eight fire trucks up there in total. Pat McElroy from City Fires here how many people do you have up there right now? Okay. Generally speaking, things are calming down because the weather is cooperating to a certain extent up there. But what they're finding is that this is truly an unprecedented situation that they have up there.

If you've seen the pictures of the neighborhoods where it's just track houses that are down and There's really no vegetation to carry that fire, which is you know what we're used to around here is an urban interface a mixture of vegetation and structures. And what they have up there is Just. Mass quantities of homes that are on the ground and they haven't there's no there's no vegetation to carry that fire so it's really an interesting situation then obviously something we'd like to avoid here but they're making good progress other repopulating and they're feeling good about the progress up there.

Thank you supervisor Williams and then

just a note somber on a somber note just want Give our condolences for the family and the agency of the firefighter that lost his life in the line of duty up there on a water truck as I understand. Thanks for that.

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair. Well I just since you're up at the podium, I want to convey the appreciation from Sonoma Supervisor Shirley Zane who made a point to ask me to thank all of the folks from the county and the cities who are out there helping. So thank you. If I can just ask Mr. Lewin another question? Mr. Lewin in your report you talked about sheriff and fire department are very experienced at evacuation and that there's a lot obviously a lot of manpower that's involved in that I recall during the Zaka fire we also use probation, probation staff as their law enforcement too so I don't know if you have reached out or if they're part of this you know your program in bringing everyone on board on evacuation And then the other, I think we have this because I think it was a Zaka fire or one of the other fires.

Maybe it was a Hesucita where we had almost 2,000 people that were evacuated and what the county had at that time was they had in their mapping they knew where specific vulnerable populations were located and is that up to date since then?

Chair and Supervisor, thank you for the question. So that the first question I'm going to lean take this one really could be the Chief Deputy but I think the simple answer is evacuation requires to be a law enforcement activity probation of course as law enforcement as well as all the other mutual aid agencies during an evacuation it is not unheard of to call on everybody that does that whether that's state parks law enforcement Thank you.

The vulnerable populations in the map.

So this is probably the thing that would keep me up at night is dealing with how we're going to take care of our vulnerable population during emergencies and yes, our folks at social services and public health keep good lists. A person can be okay today and tomorrow, now they're vulnerable. Now they're part of the access and functional need population. It happens that quick as we all know as we take care of our parents. Things happen and to be able to track that always is very difficult. It's a private thing for many people and so therein lies much of the problem. We all know that folks once they get older, they don't have the same hearing, they sleep differently They move differently, they may not drive anymore. These are all things that make them susceptible and as we can see from the fires up north the average age of the people that died were 75 years old and this is a pattern that we're seeing in wildfires last year near before.

Elderly people are very vulnerable during fast-moving wildfires and we've got to try to do our best. It may not be perfect but we have to do better in California

So do you, I know you map like convalescent homes and things but how about people who are disabled or the elderly? Is there a way that, I know CERT does that and they're very effective in that. But is there any way that you know that or someone can let you know say an elderly person lives here and they don't drive

I'll check with our social services folks and we'll get back to you on a specific answer on that and how that works.

I think Terry Ness has just been working with the departments on this so maybe Terry can say a few words about it.

Okay, before Terry comes because I just want to say a final thank-you and also I can't let this whole conversation go without talking about the emergency operations center because I remember back in Zocco when we had the old emergency operation center I think it maybe took us at least a half hour just to get everything not we it took Staff. A long time a longer time to get everything set up the phone lines at computers everything ready to go and as we know time five minutes is is critical so having everything set up having you and your team ready to go and all of our county staff trained is so important and I'm very grateful for all of your work thank you.

Thank you.

Ms Nesic Yes Chair Hartman and Supervisor Wolf. We do maintain through public health a list of all of the facilities that house vulnerable populations such as the senior citizen centers, group homes etc. Often times we have information that actually takes down to an individual person What type of assistance they may need. Do they need electricity to continue their oxygen? Do they need certain kinds of assistance to move? So the public health department does maintain that list and they do keep it up-to-date. I don't have the date when we last did a tabletop on that but I can get that.

Okay good thank you thanks

very much. Thank you and I believe we have a public speaker slip on this item is that correct Mr. Allen?

Chair Hartman members of the board, we have three requests to speak. We're going to start with Brian Rosen then hear from Elizabeth Williams and then Mark Sciatillo

And that's on this item the emergency.

This item yes please. I just want to point out that It's really not healthy to sleep by cell phones, and I think it's healthier to sleep away from wires than electromagnetic. It certainly is healthier to sleep away from lights. That's being proven in cities like Ohio are adopting dark sky ordinances. I don't think that's a good idea. A lot of people don't have cell phones or they don't work or they're not charged up.

There are other solutions that aren't being considered. I live in a neighborhood on the edge of the dangerous fire zone and we have a fire station and maybe there should be some big bells. You know, like in Notre Dame, the church in Paris with a big bell would be quite loud. It rings constantly when there's an emergency. Probably the most important thing is just to set up a neighborhood network for neighbors helping neighbors looking out for older people. We're not watching TV, we're not in front of our computers, you know so I don't think we're gonna really with global warming going on it does seem to be going on with all the emissions things are just gonna get worse and worse. The oceans are heating up, the winds are gonna get more severe, things are gonna get drier and drier in Sonoma and those areas I want to All over the world, many more people than that are dying from wars and so forth.

I think we need to also grieve for them in Yemen and other areas. We need to – I guess that's all I have to say but thank you very much. Doss, you're making a difference. You bring your own cup. He is a real environmentalist. That's one thing I really am impressed. Thank

you. Elizabeth Williams and then Mark Shatillo.

Good morning, I want to thank the Board of Supervisors and our fire department and police department. It's just wonderful that we have this protection but I want to bring up an item that might help. I live near the freeway and when there is something going on you can hear the sirens going on, the fire department, the police cars if you had somebody that was volunteering to do this in certain areas It's a little one, but thank you so much.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Members of the board, I'm Mark Chitillo. I'm here on behalf of two community organizations, the Friends of Mission Canyon and the San Antonio Creek Homeowners Association that have both been involved in land use issues involving fire prone communities that are at risk. And it is very helpful to hear this information and to know how prepared our county apparatus is to deal with these kinds of issues.

The one issue that I want to underscore to you, Supervisor Wolf, you touched on evacuation capacity. That's really kind of literally where the rubber hits the road when we have an emergency situation like this and as noted that task in our paradigm here falls to law enforcement. And one of our concerns when we're dealing with the Botanic Garden with Park Hills Estate subdivision and other development in the foothills is How many people can we get out under the amount of time that we expect it will have? You may remember back in the 1991 Berkeley Hills fire where a lot of people perished in their cars, and I think that's probably part of some of the scenarios which we are seeing happening up north currently.

What I would ask is that your board, direct staff, sheriff, the law enforcement community to make a similar presentation working with FIRE and OEM to explain and Demonstrate that the planning and the exercises have been done. All of our foothill communities rely on Highway 192, and if you take the San Antonio Creek neighborhood all of that traffic it almost all has to channel down through on San Antonio Creek Road and out through old San Marcos Pass road there are a series of stop signs and a stoplight on 192 that have the effect Thank you very much.

I think it's great that we were able to call probation and other law enforcement officers to come and assist in that effort. But what we were told as we looked at the Botanic Garden is, it's going to be just a deputy who's going to be down there at the bottom of the hill directing traffic. And if we can put some of the technological metrics to be able to know which way traffic is flowing and how to best evacuate people out of that 192 corridor Thank you.

And that's our last public comment on this item. Mr. Lewin you heard some ideas and when you come back next time maybe some of those will be ones you follow up on. Thank you, Ms. Miyasato.

Just one more thing Supervisors that Mr. Lewin didn't get to say I know there has been some confusion about Nixle versus Aware and Prepare. So Nixle for those who don't know is our longstanding basically alert system we still support Nixle. Nixel for those who want texts we are encouraging and we still support that. But people can also sign up for Aware and Prepare in which you get email, text and landline alerts. So this is just a clarification when we'll work with Gina and her group to get that clarification out there and get more people signed up.