BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 October 31, 2017

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:00

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:52

¶. ♪ ♪ Well. Good morning, welcome. It's nine o'clock and I call to order this special meeting of October 31st 2017 of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in the Santa Barbara Hearing Room. Mr. Allen would you call the roll?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:59

Mr. Adam, Mr. Lavinino, Mr Williams, Ms. Wolfe, Ms Hartman.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:05

Here please stand for the pledge May I have a motion to approve the minutes of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:15

October 17, 2017? So moved. Second.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:36

Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? The minutes stand approved. Do we have a CEO's report today Ms. Miyasato?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:45

No report this morning.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:46

Okay and now is the time for any member of the public to comment on any matter not on today's agenda do we have any speaker slips Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:56

With no request to speak.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:58

Okay for anyone who would like to speak on the main item please submit your speaker slips now we're going to figure out how to allocate time based on how many total number of speaker slips we have so get them into us now because once public comment begins we will not take any additional speaker slips. So turning to this single item for today's special meeting would you read that into the record Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:30

Chair Hartman, members of the Board. This item is brought to the board by Supervisors Williams and Hartman. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a memorandum of agreement between Santa Barbara County and the Sayinas Band of Chumash Indians regarding Camp 4.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:43

Thank you. I'd like to begin today's hearing by acknowledging and thanking a number of people First of all, my fellow board members for being here today at this special meeting. Normally we wouldn't be here at all and especially the North County Supervisors who drove down I thank you for being here and giving this matter the full attention in a special meeting I particularly want to recognize the work of the previous ad hoc committee, Supervisor Adam and Supervisor Farr who is here today.

I'd also like to recognize Chairman Kahn and the Tribe's Business Committee who are here this morning along with other members of the San Ysidro Band of Chumash Indians. Thank you very much for being here. I'd also like to recognize all the residents here from the San Ynez Valley. I know you were up early to drive down or board the bus and be in this room by 9 a.m., and thank you for being here, and for your sincere and longstanding engagement in this issue.

I also want to acknowledge many people from throughout the county who are here or watching on TV today. I'd like to start next by explaining the process by which this special hearing will be conducted. Today we'll start with opening remarks from both myself and Supervisor Williams, who served on the Ad Hoc Committee. Then we will have a statement by Chairman Kahn of the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians These remarks will be followed by a presentation by our Assistant CEO Terry Mosnisch and she'll present the staff report outlining the terms of the entire agreement.

And included in this report will be responses to many of the questions posed by the community over the last month. Following the staff report, there will be question and answer from supervisors. Then we will turn to public comment. We'll start first with those who are willing to speak for one minute and then we will turn to those three-minute speakers. It should go without saying, but I kindly ask that you keep today's conversation respectful to all parties.

Our negotiations have benefited from civility and respect and I know that we can continue that decorum here today. I ask that you refrain from applause and cheering. Every individual here is welcome to make their views heard during the public comment period Every individual here deserves the courtesy of being listened to and heard, and having their perspective respected even if it differs from our own.

This meeting is being recorded and we want to create a record of civility. Following public comment Chairman Kahn will have an opportunity to make some concluding remarks. After public comment Ms. Nisic will respond to any outstanding issues that she's heard during public comment that she thinks needs to be clarified and then we'll return to the board for deliberations. We may have a break at some point during the proceedings.

So turning to my opening remarks, I want to again recognize the members of the community who are here and who have invested so much in this issue. I assure you that your input, your goals, your engagement, your letters and your comments shape the ad hoc committee's objectives and approach to these negotiations. The ad hoc committee approached these negotiations with five guiding principles.

One, preserving the rural character of the Santa Ynez Valley. Two, respecting tribal sovereignty. Three, addressing the tribe's stated need for housing and a tribal center. Four, providing greater certainty about Camp 4 development. And five, mitigating for impacts of the proposed development. These negotiations were extremely difficult and challenging taking place over the course of nearly 20 meetings between the county and tribal leaders since 2015 along with numerous staff to staff discussions.

When Supervisor Williams and I began participating in February 2017, our negotiations were shaped by three key events. First the January 19th 2017 decision by the Department of the Interior to take Camp 4 into trust concluding that the NEPA review was sufficient Second, the March 10 2017 introduction of H.R. 1491 which would legislatively affirm the Department of the Interior's decision about the trust status of Camp 4 with no input from the county.

Let me reiterate HR 1491 would eliminate any opportunity for local government to play any role vis-a-vis Camp 4. The bill affirms the trust status of Camp 4, which would mean no say whatsoever for the county in land use building codes setbacks mitigation of environmental impacts or fees for other kinds of impacts The third event influencing our negotiations happened last spring when I went back to Washington, D.C., and I met with congressional leaders.

I appealed to the bill's author, the chair of the Natural Resources Committee and the bill's sponsors and came to an understanding. They would hold off on passage of 1491 giving the new county and tribal leadership time to work out a local agreement, a binding private contract that could be referenced in HR 1491. I was promised some time but it was strongly emphasized not too much time.

I was told that if we don't come to an agreement 1491 would go forward without an agreement. On July 26, 2017 this bill passed unanimously out of the House Committee on Natural Resources. Recently HR 1491 was placed on the union calendar and can now be brought to the floor for a vote at any time. I was told that the house was poised to move but action was delayed by mutual request of the county and the tribe to delay until after today's meeting So, at this very moment Congress stands ready to act on H.R. 1491. Either we have a local agreement with some significant controls in place for 143 homes and a tribal center through 2040 or we do not have a local agreement and the tribe has full discretion to do anything but gaming on the Camp 4 property and the county would have no certain role whatsoever going forward.

Given these events and the threat of HR 1491 passing without a local agreement, the Ad Hoc Committee endeavored to negotiate the best agreement possible under the circumstances. The agreement commits the tribe to what they said they would do and what the coalition in the San Ynez Valley expressed support for, 143 homes in a tribal center. Alternative B in the environmental assessment where 84% of Camp 4 will remain undeveloped.

Limited use of groundwater and careful water management, no commercial development on the property other than agriculture. No gaming and that is stated both in the environmental assessment and in HR 1491. Enforceability through a waiver of sovereign immunity and monitoring, reporting and an enforcement regime. A term of 22 years through 2040 with the re-opener available but only if both parties agree Fiscal mitigation paid to the county of $178,000 a year or three million as a negotiated settlement number. This figure was hotly debated and in the end we felt this was better than nothing at all. No land use controls, no environmental protections, no money whatsoever.

In sum, we negotiated the best agreement available under very challenging circumstances and that agreement is being presented here today. Supervisor Williams?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed14:21

Well in an age where people in politics have abandoned the ability to respectfully disagree largely I am going to address Something that I think is important to talk about which is intentions. Many of you are here in opposition to the agreement because you feel that a better result might be able to be achieved through litigation or through continuing to fight.

We are bringing an agreement to the county because we don't think that a better agreement is possible to be achieved at this late stage of the fee-to-trust process. And let me back up a little bit. Because I represented half of Santa Barbara County in the state legislature, this issue is something that my office and I have been trying to figure out for about seven years. I know many of you go even farther on that.

But it was pretty clear to us very early that this was a no win situation. And I don't just mean legally, I mean in terms of community relationships. That this is kind of what every elected official's nightmares are formed of. It's a situation where the community overwhelmingly wants a result that is impossible to achieve Because of the legal framework in this nation.

And so I want you to know that even though many of you oppose this agreement, your priorities have found their way into this agreement. The two priorities that I have heard over the last seven years overwhelmingly from the community has been Number one, that this is the gateway to the valley and that we should preserve a maximal amount of open space as part of any agreement with the tribe.

And that has been achieved in this agreement. And secondly, that there should be a prohibition against gaming. That is also achieved And for those of you that don't believe that it's enforceable between a contract between two private parties, then I would tell you that is the upside of the legislation. That if the legislation passes and is signed into law by the president this is not just an agreement between two private parties. It's federal law.

And therefore imminently enforceable I tell you this because I hope that you can recognize that there is no possible political reason that Joan and I, Supervisor Hartman and myself would even touch this electric third rail. Except that we care dearly about open space and dearly about the future of the valley That we may not have the same strategic assessment that you have.

But, that we have the same intentions to maximize what is preserved and to maximize the continued beauty in this community. With that I think it's good to come to the details of the agreement.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.7918:23

Chairman Kahn would you like to come forward?

CommentKenneth KahnProposedself-stated18:33

Good morning Chair Hartman and members of the board. I'm Kenneth Kahn, chairman of the Sandinez Band of Chumash Indians. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you about the tentative intergovernmental agreement between the tribe and the county of Santa Barbara County. For those in the audience, I understand that you have great interest in this matter. We have worked very hard to address community concerns As the chairman of the San Dines Chumash it's important to me that we develop relationships, relationships in our community.

I've made it a priority to explain the complexities of Camp 4 and feed a trust in how its vital to preserving the tribe's culture. Protecting the rural character of the San Dines Valley is also very important to the Chumash The Chumash have inhibited this land for thousands of years. Past and present generations have been caring for and honoring the land and its vital resources.

Whether you have ancestral ties going back thousands of years or if you are the first generation to the community, we can equally appreciate the beauty and serenity of this place we call home. We all share heritage and pride in our valley. The tribal county relationship has had a number of stress points in the past. Through this process, and this agreement I hope to build upon current positive government-to-government dialogue.

This is in the best interest of the citizens of the community and the members of our tribe Ongoing Camp 4 discussions have provided a better understanding of community needs from both the tribal and county perspective. I would like to recognize and thank Supervisor Adams and former Supervisor Farr for their participation in the first round of Tribal Ad Hoc meetings.

We learned a lot about community concerns specific to Camp 4 during their time on the committee. Through nine public meetings over 18 months we established the framework for the agreement scheduled for vote today. The renewal of the ad hoc committee back in February this year was a clear sign that those meetings are of public benefit We thank all of you up here for your five to zero vote extending and modifying the county tribal ad hoc process.

The added ability of having staff-to-staff discussions along with more frequent meetings were extremely important to producing a thorough rough draft agreement for public review and comment I thank Supervisors Hartman and I thank Supervisor Williams for your part for that period. Ongoing discussions and negotiations have not been easy, there were many moments of contention.

Both parties remained at the table through hours and hours of deliberation. The easy thing for us to do would've been to walk away but for the sake of our constituents we didn't. Which brings us here today. I ask that you wholeheartedly support this agreement, the tribe in good faith voluntarily came to the table to work through key terms involving Camp 4. Key terms identified by your constituents.

Through the argument, through the agreement plenty of argument For consideration today we've outlined a number of mitigation areas. We address land use, prohibitions on gaming water usage and conservation fiscal impacts and road infrastructure including the roundabout highway one fifty four and highway two forty six over eight hundred acres of open space housing agricultural and government facilities facility areas have been identified Designated 1000 feet for scenic highway 154 of a scenic Highway 154 buffer.

We will continue to work with the county in the community beyond this agreement in order to identify areas of concern. Tribal families moving to Camp 4 also deserve and want to make sure that their quality of life is looked after. Supervisors, some of you have had an opportunity to tour the reservation You've seen firsthand the challenges that we have with housing.

Some have been able to tour the learning center, medical facilities and other government infrastructure. For those that have not it would be an honor to have you come visit and see what we're doing in our community. I look forward to finishing up at the end here and maybe answering some more questions so thank

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.7924:11

With that we turn to Ms. Terri Mosnisch and she's going to give the presentation of the Memorandum of Agreement in the Environmental Assessment and Fonzie. I would ask that board members allow her to finish the presentation because many of the elements of the agreement are interrelated and so it may become clear as she proceeds any questions you might have. So Ms. Mosnisch please go forward.

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction24:40

Good morning and thank you again Terry Nesich presenting on behalf of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee. I'd like to begin with a little bit of background on Camp 4 itself. The proposed Camp 4 project encompasses over 1400 acres, and the property was acquired by the San Ynez Band of the Chumash Indians in 2010. It is also in a multi-year agricultural preserve or Williamson Act contract.

The environmental assessment prepared for Camp 4 and finalized in 2014 identifies two development alternatives. Alternative A which consists of over 1400 acres to be converted into 143 five-acre residential lots And an alternative B, which we will discuss as part of this agreement consists of 143 one acre residential lots and 30 acres for tribal facilities. This alternative was adopted by the Tribal Business Committee and again is the subject of this agreement.

In terms of location of Camp 4, we've outlined this here on the vicinity map. The project boundary is identified in red. You can see the project location, the proposed near the township of Santa Ynez and the existing tribal reservation. There's been a very long history of county involvement and discussion with Camp 4 and Feed-A-Trust in general, but today I'm going to focus some of my background and history comments specifically on the more recent work of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee as well as the work to prepare this agreement.

The ad hoc, the original ad hoc subcommittee was put in place by the Board of Supervisors in August 2015. Former Supervisor Farr and Supervisor Adam were originally appointed to that subcommittee as you've already heard and met in nine meetings with the public. In January 10th of 2017 Supervisors Hartman and Williams were appointed to serve on the short-term ad hoc subcommittee.

Also on January 10th of 2017, the Board directed our County Council to initiate federal litigation if the Bureau of Enduring Affairs Regional Director decision was affirmed to take Camp 4 into trust. On January 19 the interior did in fact affirm the regional December for the regional directors December 14 decision to in fact take camp four into trust and concluded that there was adequate NEPA review on the project.

On January 28 as directed County Council filed a federal district court. On February 7 of 2017 the Board of Supervisors renewed the short term advisory ad hoc subcommittee And in late February the new ad hoc subcommittee and the tribal business committee began meeting. And as noted they've met on nine occasions formally, in addition there were multiple staff to staff meetings.

In September and October most recently we also had three public meetings to discuss the terms of the agreement. I just want to go back to the original charge of the Board of Supervisors to both ad hoc subcommittees. The direction was to engage the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians in discussions related to land use and financial matters of mutual concern that include but are not limited to the waiver of sovereign immunity San Ynez Valley properties of interest inclusive of Camp 4, the Mooney and Escobar properties and the 350 acre triangle property and other general topics between the county and tribe as appropriate.

On February 7th the board also directed that in addition to the open public meetings that were currently being held by the original Ad Hoc That the tribe engage that the board engages a tribe in discussions with it outside of that open public meeting process. As the ad hoc subcommittee began their work in February of 2017 they were faced with several external factors that were quite impactful to the overall discussions and some of these were already described by Supervisor Hartman.

The January 19 action of the Department of Interior that changed the status of Camp 4, the county had filed its litigation and as noted before Congress is poised to act on HR 1491. In addition, the Supreme Court will soon hear arguments about whether or not Congress has the right to dismiss a fee-to-trust litigation via legislation. While those factors were known to the ad hoc subcommittee they did establish a series of guiding points that led the efforts throughout the term of the discussion.

The first was to build on the early work of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee as mentioned that Ad Hoc Subcommittee met in public on multiple occasions and set forth a framework for future discussions It was also important to recognize the tribal sovereignty and self-governance which has been consistently referenced in the county's adopted legislative platform. There is a need to recognize the importance of tribal housing and recognize that critical services are delivered by both the county and the tribe and I'll speak about that a bit more as we talk about fiscal.

There was a shared goal to protect the rural nature of the San Ynez Valley and to provide greater certainty regarding the development and timing of any proposed project on Camp 4. In addition there is a goal to establish a strong model of government to government relations going forward and address fiscal and environmental impacts associated with any proposed project.

There were a broad array of discussions through the ad hoc again building on the prior discussions in the open meetings. We explored a number of out-of-the-box solutions trying to build on the input from community and many of the concepts discussed during earlier meetings and as noted by both Chairman Kahn and Supervisor Hartman, the discussions were very intense at times but very sincere and we believe very thorough.

I'll now go ahead and walk through the summary of the key terms of the agreement there are seven. The waiver of sovereign immunity, the term land use and mitigation environmental impacts, the fiscal component safety and code compliance land use and dismissal and support provisions. Before I go into those in depth I did want to highlight for the board however A number of the questions posed by the community. As I mentioned earlier there were three meetings with the public and we received a number of questions not only through those meetings but via our ad hoc subcommittee website and through a number of correspondence that we attempted to answer, and I wanted to highlight those so that board would be aware of the scope of questions that were received.

Obviously the scope of the agreement itself and what that refers to is Camp 4 versus other properties in terms of scope and then you can see the others. The term, the questions about support for legislation we received a number of questions about the fiscal component, a number of questions about detail related to the mitigation specifically in the area of land use water specifically and a number of others which I will speak to as I go through the various terms.

The first and perhaps the most important is the waiver of sovereign immunity. It was directed by the board as I referenced earlier in the charge that a waiver of sovereign immunity be secured in order to move forward with any form of an agreement. So the enforceable agreement protects and secures the stated land uses for the terms of this agreement without a local agreement with an enforceable waiver by the tribe there are no protections In August of 2015 to March of 2016, this waiver was discussed at the original ad hoc subcommittee.

On August 30th of 2016 there was a report to the Board of Supervisors on the Waiver of Sovereign Immunity and the board separately approved an agreement for law enforcement services with this specific waiver. Just to be clear there are two law enforcement agreements One does contain this waiver and the second does not, or the first does not contain the waiver and the second does. On November 4 of 2014 the board approved the agreement for law enforcement services with no waiver however in order to mitigate that risk there was a prepayment provision on that particular law enforcement contract. On August 30th, the board approved a contract for law enforcement services that did in fact contain this waiver of sovereign immunity.

The tribe's general counsel will vote on the proposed memorandum of agreement. They have in fact done so and that is within your packet and if the vote is approved which it has been, the general counsel approves a resolution authorizing the tribal chairman to sign the proposed memorandum of agreement and approve the waiver of sovereign immunity. The chairman has signed that resolution and it is in your packet as part of the agreement.

And it is attached as Exhibit D. There are no third party beneficiaries to the waiver. The specific language of the waiver is as follows. The tribe expressly and irrevocably waives for the term of the agreement its right to assert its sovereign immunity from suit and enforcement, and execution of any ensuing judgment or award, and consents to be sued in the federal courts of the United States or the state courts of the State of California provided that the dispute is limited solely to the issues arising under this agreement.

In regards to the term, the agreement is effective on the latest dates upon which each of the following conditions are met. This agreement needs to be approved by the County Board of Supervisors. It requires the approval of the general counsel of the tribe which includes the approval of the tribe by a vote and authorization of the chairman to sign the agreement as I've mentioned that has occurred and it is referenced within the packet.

There must be dismissal of the county's federal litigation and we must receive written approval by the Secretary of the Interior or written determination by the secretary that approval is not needed. It is my understanding that the secretary has determined that the approval is needed. The agreement would be in effect through 2040 December 31 of 2040 and as previously mentioned there are reopeners by mutual consent provided for within this agreement.

The scope of the agreement is very straightforward. It solely applies to Camp 4 while other options were discussed in the open ad hoc committee meeting process as well as throughout the secondary ad hoc committee meeting process Camp 4 was determined to be the sole purpose of the agreement. And I will just add that in the absence of comprehensive fee-to-trust reform at the federal level, the tribes are not mandated to secure agreements.

I'll go ahead and move on to the land use component This provides for alternative B as I've previously mentioned it outlines the land uses proposed under that alternative. So again there are 143 one acre residential lots and the residential component comprises 194 acres of the total site and the residential you can see here in this particular layout There are 206 acres of agriculture which is referenced in the green.

There are 869 acres of open space recreational use which is primarily trails and designated open space. There are 30 acres for government purposes which includes the tribal hall and facility. There are 98 acres of resource management zone designation for riparian corridors and preservation. There are 33 acres of oak woodland, which are also designated on the site in green you can see those throughout And there are three acres which are designated as a special purpose zone of just for utilities and a wastewater treatment plant, which is up here at the top of the site.

I'll also make note of this 985 foot buffer, which was referred to previously as the viewshed and this is also included as a protection in part of it as part of the agreement specifically. A little bit more about the terms or specific components of the land use. There were questions about the tribal land consolidation area. The tribal consolidation areas no longer in effect, DCA as it is referred to was voluntarily withdrawn by the tribe. And the fee to trust application and the environmental assessment was submitted without a TCA so that is no longer a factor and it is not within this agreement. The current project has no TCA just to be clear.

There is no gaming allowed in the EA, the environmental assessment and the legislation as previously referenced specifically disallows gaming on the property. In addition the tribe is to comply with the final EA, the FONSI and Alternative B as I've outlined of the final EA and as adopted in May 2014 by the Tribal Business Committee including no buildings on Camp 4 within 985 feet of State Highway 154 which I highlighted just a moment ago.

They must comply with all required mitigation measures in the FONSI and the final EA, and alternative B. There must be compliance with the FONSI and final EA but it shall not preclude solar energy on Camp 4 however all forms of solar energy are prohibited on Camp 4 within that 985 foot buffer that I did reference. In terms of water we did utilize this slide actually Chairman Kahn referenced the slide as part of the open public meetings and I wanted to make sure we shared this with the board today because it does outline several of the key components of the medication monitoring plan is specifically related to water.

One of the primary concerns brought forth by the community and by the Ad Hoc Subcommittee was a concern about export of water. And to clearly state there is no export of water provided for, water on the site is specifically for the stated project purposes. I have however listed here a number of other key mitigations related to water. In terms of the actual use of water in drought there is no net increase of the use of water during a period of drought and a four acre foot increase in water in non-drought periods.

Just for reference to further explain the water component of this. The tribe has provided two letters which is in the board's packet and was posted to the site, the first of which is a resolution 990 of the business committee and it specifically refers to the use of groundwater on-site and no export and they have adopted a resolution to that effect and again it is in your packet just to clarify their intent And then secondly, we have a letter from the tribe that was received yesterday that discusses their desire to report on water use on the site both with the existing wells and the proposed wells for their residential use.

A bit more on land use there are limits on commercial. There is no commercial other than ag commercial which Supervisor Hartman has already stated. There are 260 acres of agriculture on the site and there was a net increase, net decrease excuse me in commercial as there is no winery approved for the project. I referenced some of the provisions for open space, 869 acres of total open space for recreation as well as the acreage for designated resource management zones.

In terms of the tribal facilities there are 30 acres of tribal facilities and that is for a 12,000 square foot tribal hall facility. This is to provide for tribal members and guests for tribal events and functions and ceremonies. There are 250 parking spaces associated with the facility with 100 events planned and primarily the types of meetings that occur are language learning cultural nights AA meetings and 4-H meetings so community meetings by the tribe. There is no alcohol provided for in tribal government facilities and the same rules apply to this facility as applied to the current Tribal Hall.

In terms of development options we provided as part of our narrative and response to questions which is also in the board packet a listing or a description of eight one acre alternatives. The alternatives that I've provided here provides the most intensively studied alternative for Alternative B but there are eight one acre scenarios that were considered by the tribe as part of Alternative B As I mentioned previously there are no structures within that 980 foot right of way on 100 preservation area and 154.

And we had a number of questions about building height and to address that question about 75% of the single-family residents, about 75% of the residences are single family and single story. In terms of county land use policies we've had a number of questions regarding the San Ynez Valley community plan. And the ad hoc subcommittee asserts that we are in compliance with the San Ynez Valley community plan as a result of this agreement and this pretends the pursuit of an enforceable intergovernmental memorandum for camp 4 is consistent with the policies contained within the plan And then I also listed specific policies which indicate that the county shall oppose the loss of jurisdictional authority over land within the plan area where the intended use is inconsistent with the goals and policies and the development standards of the plan or in the absence of a satisfactory enforceable agreement.

In addition, it indicates that the county shall pursue legally enforceable government-to-government agreements with entities seeking to obtain jurisdiction over land with a plan area to encourage compatibility with the surrounding areas and mitigate environmental and financial impacts to the county. In regards to the fiscal, the county and the tribe have very differing perspectives on service impacts costs and costs.

We explored a number of different formulas to address fiscal impacts associated with this agreement. Many might recall that as part of the initial ad hoc subcommittee meetings we explored a number of options related to property tax. We had numerous discussions on municipal finance and the numerous services provided by both the county and the tribe Ultimately the ad hoc committee agreed that the development of Camp 4 property may in some cases result in impacts and costs to the county.

And it acknowledged that the county does not have permitting authority over development of lands held in trust and that the payments made under this agreement are not taxes, do not constitute taxes, exactions or fees. And there was an agreement that the payments are approximate offsets to the potential losses and impacts to the county, and are intended to support an approximate level of services to Camp 4 and the affected community.

The tribe will pay a flat amount of $178,500 annually due in four equal quarterly payments and payments would expire upon the expiration of the agreement on December 31st of 2040. The tribe will comply with the terms of the Williamson Act contract on Camp 4 until the December 31st 2023 date and payments would begin after the expiration of the Williamson Act.

If the Williamson act is canceled for any reason prior then payments would begin upon completion of the first home on the camp for property. We also agree or the ad hoc also agreed that the payments to the county may qualify as credits under the tribal gaming compact and the county agreed to support the tribe getting credit for those payments. I should just state that by the tribe potentially getting credit for those payments it does not impact the payment to the county, it does not impact that 175 in any way. It is a reduction to the amount they would otherwise have paid to the state.

In addition to the payments, the tribe is required to pay their fair share of transportation and circulation improvements in the valley. And that includes the completed roundabout at 246 and 154 as well as payment for additional corridor improvements regarding signalization or roundabouts on 154 and 246 and they are under discussion with Caltrans on those. I did add this slide to your packet and the, this is also in the back of the room. It's entitled safety and code compliance.

The tribe is required to comply and monitor, is required to have compliance and monitoring done by mutually agreed upon third party professionals. The tribal ordinance requires code mitigation monitoring and enforcement program only by qualified engineers architects etc. And they must utilize the existing county list of approved architects and engineers for the purpose of their construction. And they have agreed to comply with the California building and public safety codes.

In terms of dismissal of the litigation and support provisions, the Ad Hoc Subcommittee is suggesting that as part of the agreement that the litigation is formally dismissed and that they will support HR 1491 with amendments. And that includes referencing this agreement as part of those amendments. Just a bit about the public process. The first public meeting occurred on September 25 at that point in time there was not a completed agreement so that a summary of the known terms was provided to the community in the form of a PowerPoint and we reviewed those terms verbally to the best of our ability where we did have exact language secured, we were able to extract that and provide that directly to the community We then set a hearing on October 3 of 2017 and by setting that hearing it allowed for the agreement to be placed on the public record and the full agreement to be distributed to the community.

At that meeting of October 3 we set a hearing for October 17 and as you are aware that was continued to today. However in the interim two additional public meetings were held in addition to the September 25 meeting. When the full packet was available, the full agreement was available we held two meetings on October 5th and October 9th to receive to provide an overview of the agreement received questions and answer those questions.

So wrapping up you have several recommended actions before the board today and the first is to approve and authorize the chair to execute a memorandum of agreement with the Sanias Band of the Chumash Indians regarding camp 4. And in accordance with the terms of the memorandums agreement authorized and direct the chair to sign letters of support for HR 1491 in the form of Exhibit B in the memorandum Or C, provide other direction to the ad hoc subcommittee on tribal matters and staff as deemed appropriate.

And there is a CEQA recommendation as well. So that concludes my presentation and I will turn it back to Chair Hartman.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.7951:13

Thank you do board members have questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed51:19

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair and thank you to you and Supervisor Adam and to Chairman Kahn and to our staff. The Board of Supervisors I think it's been a few weeks since we've had this agreement so if you'll bear with me because I do have questions some of which I talked to County Council about but there are other ones that have come to light for me.

So the first one has to do on the agreement it's one of the whereas and it says the tribe desires to expand tribal housing opportunities and operate tribal economic development projects. And Ms. Nesich what is your understanding of economic development projects particularly in the context of the PowerPoint where it says that there is no commercial activities. So what does that reference, the economic development projects?

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction52:36

So I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed52:36

can

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction52:37

begin the answer to that Chair Hartman, Supervisor Wolf and then turn it over to County Council. As I indicated there are no commercial activities provided for as part of this agreement or referenced within the EA or FONSI so the economic development activities that are referenced within fee-to-trust law there are stated purposes for taking lands into trust one is for the purpose of housing one is for the purposes of economic development activities So I believe what this particular area references is the fee-to-trust law and I'll turn that over to Rachel Van Molen if she has anything she would like to add.

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction53:15

And chairman supervisors today as we go through questions only a series of these are going to ask our chief assistant Rachel Van Molen to answer them and if we have follow-on questions I'll be glad to put my thumbprint on that if it would help but Rachel Van Molen has been very involved with this for the past couple years both with the federal litigation and then through the negotiation process.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed53:34

And thank you Mr. Gazzone, I failed to acknowledge your office and Miss Van Mollen in working through this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed53:42

Thank you madam chair and supervisor Wolf. I think that in part what that is referring to is the existing ongoing commercial operations for agriculture because there is a vineyard on the property but there is no plans to do a winery and not as made clear in the in the questions and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed54:01

so what I heard from his message is that it's part of the law, but what you're saying is that is that part of the law. So it is that why it's in here

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed54:11

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf it is part of FETA trust law as well. I just wanted to clarify that there is existing vineyards on the property as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed54:20

And is there any way that the 30 acres allocated for the event center or tribal facilities, that could be interpreted as part of the economic development project? Let me go back because this was one of the questions that the community asked and I looked at the answers that Ms. Nisic provided which were very comprehensive however in this particular section of commercial There was reference to Appendix N of the final EA which shows the potential uses of Camp 4 as proposed by the tribe indicates that there are no designated commercial land uses outside of ag commercial for vineyard production.

When I looked at that appendix N, and interestingly the maps that are part of this appendix N for option B is not reflected in the map that we just saw on the PowerPoint. So let me ask it this way. Because we've always we're always referring to the EA as kind of the guiding document while this part of the EA does not include that map so is that map that we saw on the PowerPoint going to be incorporated into the agreement?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed56:15

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf are you referring to the map that shows alternative B?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed56:19

The map that Ms. Nisic showed on the PowerPoint and it's number, its page 16 if you want to go back to that. Would you

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.7956:30

pull that up Ms.Nisic?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed56:31

Yes.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed56:34

That is the alternative B map

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed56:36

No it's actually not the alternative B map that's presented that Ms. Nisic showed as part of the EA so there is a little bit of a discrepancy. So what I'd like to know is which map are we using? Because this is not one of the four.

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction56:54

So perhaps I could clarify, so the map that is here which is on the screen and included by reference within this agreement, is the most intensively studied map and the adopted alternative B by the Tribal Business Committee. And this and the stated land uses which I read off are specifically re-referenced and adopted within the final EA. So that is, this is what we're referring to.

Exhibit N with this reference which we were trying to explain as part of our answers is that the tribe also considered a number of other configurations for this particular alternative for one acre lots And what alternative N, I'm sorry which the exhibit specifies is other configurations for the various land uses or for the various residential etc. But this is the map which is in the final EA and we are referencing.

That's in the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed57:58

EA document? Correct. Can I hear from the county council that that's what we're referencing when we talk about the EA is that map and not these other maps? Madam Chair and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed58:12

Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed58:12

Wolf,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed58:13

yes that map is the alternative B map that's in the EA but I do want to clarify as well as Ms. Massenich said alternative B there were various options studied for alternative B so the proposed agreement before you does require compliance with the final EA the FONSI and alternative B But within alternative B, there were various options studied of where the housing could go on the site.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.7958:40

And if I might add, the option that was studied was the most impactful. There are eight configurations and what that suggests is that there is some further choice to be made and some accommodations perhaps to setbacks that the community might desire depending on which configuration best suits the needs of the tribe.

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction59:04

That's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed59:06

So this map includes the setback, the 948?

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction59:13

Yes Supervisor Wolf through the chair this particular map in this area right here has a 985 foot setback viewshed as we've discussed yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed59:24

And was that negotiated during the process correct? It is specifically referenced

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction59:33

within

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed59:33

our agreement yes. So what I don't understand is if this was negotiated in the during the process how is it part of the EA? Just want to make sure that this map is part of the agreement

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction59:48

This this was contemplated, Supervisor Wolf through the chair. This was contemplated by the tribe as part of our as part of their EA process I just want as part of the ongoing discussions and agreement the ad hoc subcommittee sought to affirm and assure that and called this out specifically.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:00:10

OK. All right I think I've made my point and I'm just going to move on. Mr. Ghazani do you want to say something?

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction1:00:18

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Wolf, just to build on some answers that you had within the agreement these are certainly referenced in there some express discussions of the 985 foot setback And that's where we look to for these, these more detailed express discussion. So we certainly don't discount the whereas clauses in a contract but that's a good starting point and then in this case when you get to page 8 in the land use discussion is where you see the express language about the 985 foot.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:00:47

Thank you. So going back to the economic development projects then you are just referring to the ag piece. On page 2 of the agreement I was just wondering, it's a second whereas it talks about 143 acres on one acre lots and 12,000 square feet of tribal facilities yet it doesn't include There is an additional important piece that says it's 30 acres of tribal facilities.

And yet that is mentioned throughout, you know we just heard it and it's not included in the agreement so is there any way to incorporate after the word facilities comma 30 acres of tribal facilities? Or 30 acres allocated as tribal facilities? Just to clarify the agreement. It doesn't change the agreement it just is a clarifying statement.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:02:00

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf. So in the section that Mr. Ghisoni just referenced in the land use section, it does require compliance with the final EA, the FONSI and Alternative B. And then it references specific pages of the EA including pages 2-3, 2-12 through 2-16, table 2-2 on page 2-15 of the final EA. And that is laying out some of the specifics that you're talking about as far as acreage and uses.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:02:31

And I understand that and I went to that table and looked back. But it just, and I think one of the issues that I've heard and part of my concern is that this agreement on its face is not specific enough. So why? I just have the question of why we wouldn't Just add the 30 acres as part of the agreement. I know that it's referenced in the EA, but why it wouldn't have been noted here Because that's a large portion 30 acres is large Then the last where did you want to say something?

Could that be added without changing The intent of the agreement I guess that's up to Mr. Kahn too but I'm just asking you for now. Well, I know. I know. Thank you Mr. Labagnino for that. I get that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:03:39

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf your board would have discretion to make changes to the agreement if changes were made it would mean there would be further process that would be required?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:03:49

Okay then on page 2 the last whereas, it says whereas the parties acknowledge that given the scope of the proposed tribal housing and economic development projects impacts are not always subject to precise measurement. That clause is just troubling to me because not not necessarily for this project but as we. We have mitigations for other projects to say here that precise measurement is difficult.

Is that pose any problem do you see or not?

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GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction1:04:33

Chair and Supervisor Wolf, I don't see it as a legal problem. Okay. And I want to underscore you know some of the comments back and forth with the board that the board does have complete discretion today as you move forward to adopt not adopt proposed changes on this obviously it's a intergovernmental immunity so there's another side of that table also this has been a result of much staffing but the board retains its full discretion in considering this agreement

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:05:00

thank you Then I have a question on the support of HR 1491. Some of the concerns that I've heard is that by us sending the letter, advising or suggesting that we agree with this bill. That it prevents others from taking legal action. Is that accurate? Can you just talk a little bit about that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:05:43

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf, HR 1491 sending the letter of support is within the proposed agreement and that's within the discretion of your board. It does not, sending that letter does not prevent litigation from other parties. It's not related to pending federal litigation. So dismissing appeals is Madam chair and supervisor Wolf that's actually referencing the administrative appeals. So those appeals have been resolved and now the county has current pending federal litigation that would not be part of HR 1491 that's why the proposed agreement actually includes dismissing the federal litigation separate from that

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:06:53

Okay thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:06:56

Supervisor Wolf I just would like to add a follow-up question to Ms. Van Molen, if other litigation were successful what would be the result? What would be the impact on this agreement?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:07:14

Madam Chair and members of the board if other litigation other than the counties I think is what you're referring to were successful and in that scenario if the county and the tribe had already agreed to enter into this agreement. The agreement provides so let's go back and if that other litigation were successful in taking the land out of trust, the proposed agreement provides that the agreement terminates Then if the land, Camp 4 is put back into trust the agreement would come back to life through the term December 2040.

Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:07:52

Thank you Madam Chair.

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction1:07:53

Chair Hartman if I could just take this opportunity because I'm trying to be efficient as we move forward and get related answers to questions that I think we are going One of the statutory authorities that the Board of Supervisors has is that under Government Code section 25203, you control the litigation where the county or its officers in their official capacity are parties. So the county's present federal litigation is one example of that so as you're making a decision today, control of that litigation is one of the pieces that's addressed in this proposed memorandum of agreement but that's authority that's provided to you by the government code That does, whether there are other litigants out there who are going presently the same direction as the county on litigation or not.

You have independent authority to control the county's litigation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:08:46

Thank you. On the top of page 6 this also has to do with HR 1491 and this is just really interesting to me because it says basically that if there are amendments or anything is reintroduced as part of HR 1491 We are, it appears that we are already committed to sending letters and visiting Washington DC. And it says here with at least one county supervisor to attend meetings with a tribal chairman and congressional representatives.

Seems very strange to me Why we would commit this board to any future amendments or laws? And then on top of it to commit a county supervisor to attend a meeting in DC It just it really seems like overkill to me Can someone explain why that's in there because that is I've just never seen anything like that

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:09:57

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolk, I believe that this language reflects the choice of the ad hoc subcommittee on how to provide support for HR 1491 as part of this proposed agreement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:10:14

Sorry to interrupt but this is not just supportive HR 1491 it's any subsequent amendment that we don't know what it is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:10:27

Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf, to clarify that piece the intent of that language is that if HR 1491 does not pass and it's later the same bill is reintroduced under a new number. That's the subsequent legislation. Previous in that section it talks about the only amendments that the parties have the draft agreement As part of the draft agreement that the parties would support. And any other amendments need to be mutually agreed upon.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:10:58

Okay on page 7 and this was talked, Ms. Nisic talked about this that we will receive payments and it has to do with there is also mention about the Williamson Act but either January 2024 or the completion of the first home at Camp 4. Is there, I'm just what if the tribal facilities are built before the homes? Is there something in the agreement or in the EA that does talk about the timing of when the homes are being built? Because I think there's an assumption and an understanding that the homes is really what's driving this. And I would expect that that's accurate, that the homes are going to be I think that's a good question. I don't know if we're going to be able to get that right away. But again, I always you know looking at contracts.

I'm just questioning why it's the first home why

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:12:11

Madam chair and supervisor Wolf. The language before you does reflect the negotiations between the ad hoc subcommittee and the tribal members. And it is tied to the first home not the tribal facilities and it's set up to be the earlier of January 2024 or completion of the first time.

PresenterRebecca AugustSan Ynez Valley Community Action Alliance which is a social and environmental juProposedself-stated1:12:35

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:12:39

There is mention about that no liquor would occur on camp 4 and Ms. Nisic showed it up on the slide but there's nothing And it's in one of the answers that Ms. Nisic made to the public, that the tribe reports that there is no liquor in existing tribal hall and the same rules will apply to the new facility yet it's not in the agreement. Was there any discussion of including it in the agreement?

Or why isn't it in the agreement if there was an express statement made that that's what would be the case?

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction1:13:24

I believe I can answer that. There was discussion not specifically to include in the agreement there was however discussion with the tribe to just confirm in fact what their existing policies were for use of alcohol and what their current tribal ordinances indicate and they do in fact indicate that there is No use of alcohol in the government facilities should at any time the tribe wish to pursue use of alcohol in the facilities.

In this particular facility they would need to go through the alcohol beverage control process to obtain appropriate permits so they are not exempt from that process.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:14:09

So it's not that they're saying that alcohol wouldn't occur. It would just it could definitely happen just as well as long as they follow the general procedures that anyone else would have to follow in a

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction1:14:22

development. Chair Hartman Supervisor Wolf they have indicated to us that there is not an intention to use alcohol in this facility per their current tribal rules and ordinances

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:14:35

but that's not in the agreement. It is not. OK I think that's all of my questions thank you for your patience. Supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:14:46

OK. So just to be clear this plan is a suggestion sort of, it's going to be something like this with 143 houses and a tribal center. It's not going to be this we are not approving the development plan here.

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CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction1:15:12

That is correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:15:16

Well I'm helping Supervisor Wolf through this. Yeah no I know you did because I saw where you were going and that's just a misunderstanding of what this is. This is sort of a rough idea or an approximation of what's gonna happen it's not we're not tied into anything here. And I don't necessarily have a problem with that but You know this process doesn't fit neatly into any box we're normally seeing up here.

You know that's what this is. This is a different animal than anything that's come by you before and probably will again. You know the one question that I have is let's say 1491 is not signed into law The board majority changes its mind someday and realizes that this is a horrible deal for the county financially. And they want to engage with Congress to reformulate future legislation and or renegotiate with the tribe.

Can they do that?

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction1:16:49

Chair Hartman and Supervisor Adam are you talking specifically about camp for the subject matter of this agreement assuming the board enters this agreement? Yes correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:17:00

Madam Chair and Supervisor Adam then if if the board enters this agreement then the future board would be tied to the terms of this agreement through 2040.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:17:09

Interesting that she used the word tied. Be bound by it. You're tying the hands of future boards are not? If we approve this today?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:17:20

Madam chair and supervisor Adam. It is a contract for term until 2040 similar to other settlement agreements in litigation and when the settlement of litigation when those agreements are reached they are finally even for future boards.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:17:45

I'm going to take that as a yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:17:52

Madam Chair and Supervisor Adam, yes the future board would be prevented from opposing. Right

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:17:59

we couldn't oppose it. We've already given away the right to oppose that or change our collective mind.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:18:07

Supervisor Adam yes if this agreement is entered that's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:18:09

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:18:11

Ms. Van Molen

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:18:12

will you talk about the re-opener as well?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:18:16

Yes Madam Chair. The agreement provides that this agreement it's a term of 2040 but there is a provision that allows a re-opener by mutual agreement and the parties can agree to make amendments to this agreement.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:18:32

And does the agreement bind future leadership of the tribe?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:18:37

Madam Chair, members of the board, yes. Through the waiver of sovereign immunity it is irrevocable for the term of the agreement and the tribe is bound by this agreement as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:18:52

Okay so I'm not naive enough to believe that litigation will stop this fee-to-trust transfer. No, I don't have any problem with land use as the tribe sees fit frankly in fact it's entirely possible that this whole situation could have been avoided if Fess Parker had been accommodated back in the day. Running this county though for me as a supervisor is a fiscal puzzle and as supervisors we have to run the whole county.

And I believe still that appealing to tribes better nature and generosity or desire to reasonably contribute to the function of our community without violating their sovereignty or asking too much could have been accomplished. So my differences and disagreements stem from financial concerns mostly not land use concerns or any other reason. I also think that it would have been beneficial to have had these discussions in public.

It is time, it is true that the process, I can't read my own writing, it is true that the process that Supervisor Farr and I along with Chairman Kahn and our mentor was uncomfortable and awkward and inefficient. I think you'll agree with me on that. But they were a clean and honest process that the public could see feel in here. And engendering confidence in the result I am not impugning the latest process. I'm not saying that there was anything that was unclean or about it but I'm merely stating what I think is the obvious, that the public could have had a higher level of confidence in both the process and the result And I have some grave concerns about the fiscal impacts to our county organization as a result of approving this and I will name several of them after public comment but that's pretty much what I have to say now.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:21:10

Seeing no lights what I'd like to do is take a 10 minute break and we'll come back at 1030 sharp. Any final speaker slips must come in now and we will not accept any after right now. And 1030 back. Yeah. Hi.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:23:26

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:38:18

Would everyone please take a seat. We're reconvening the October 31st special meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in the Santa Barbara hearing room. We're about to turn to public comment and all speaker slips now must be in. We're going to be here until about 1 o'clock with public comment. We have some one minute speakers who will go first and then we'll go with three minutes speakers I am determined to allow everyone their full three minutes rather than cutting it back but it means we're going to be here for a while. If you are able to put your comments in a shorter period of time that would be much appreciated and we're going to ask people to line up.

Mr. Allen will list everybody's name and we'd like you to get up to the podium as quickly as you can after the speaker ahead of you leaves. Ms. Mosnisch do you have, I wanted you to put that table up just and explain that to us before we start our public comment. Yes

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction1:39:27

thank you Chair Hartman this is the chart and the page that Ms. Van Molen referenced in her comments that are incorporated in reference specifically within the agreement so this is from the final environmental assessment which was adopted page 2-3 and it lists alternative B and the acreage that I described previously and the uses on the site. So this is again specifically extracted from the final EA.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:39:57

So if I'm correct, the configuration of the homes may change but the actual acreages dedicated to these different uses will be as stated here on the table?

CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction1:40:12

With some adjustment pending the arrangement but for the most part that's what is designated yes.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:40:18

Okay turning now to one minute public speakers, Mr. Allen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:40:24

Chair Hartman and members of the board we are going to start with our one-minute speakers. We have 10 of these and then we're going to move into the three-minute speakers and we are going to start with the Honorable Holly Sierra, Mayor Builton to be followed by Kelly Gray and then Tyler Gilliam.

CommentHolly Sierra MayorProposedself-stated1:40:45

Chair, Supervisors I'm Holly Sierra Mayor of the City of Buelton and I am here in favor of the MOU. The Chumash have administrative building and an apartment complex in the city of Buelton and the city and the Chumash have a very good working relationship. The Camp 4 debate has been going on For a long long time and I think it's time that we moved on to other things.

I am really impressed with the ad hoc committee and the Chumash business committee for getting together working really hard Making concessions, compromises, listening to the public and coming forward with this MOU. And I just wanted to say that I'm in favor of it so thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:41:41

Our next speaker is Kelly Gray followed by Tyler Gilliam and then Dennis Beebe.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:41:47

Good morning Supervisors. My first point is that Highway 154 is a well-known challenging road. The proposed event center has 250 parking spaces, adding 250 cars driving round trip 100 days a year creates a foreseeable dramatic increase in both injury and fatality accidents. Second the word fair is used throughout the agreement. Fair is a highly subjective term any of who have been parents know that the tribe and the county must agree upon an express definition of the word fair to be applied to the agreement. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:42:24

Tyler Gilliam followed by Dennis Beebe and then John Park

PresenterTyler GilliamSanta Barbara County Firefighters AssociationProposedself-stated1:42:28

Madam Chair, members of the board. My name is Tyler Gilliam and I represent the Santa Barbara County Firefighters Association. First, I'd just like to recognize all the time and deliberation from both parties have gone into this agreement. And I just want to use my time to highlight what a strong partner community partner the tribe has been in providing additional firefighters in the San Dines Valley.

The tribe currently funds one firefighter paramedic position at Station 30 in Solvang and one firefighter paramedics position at Station 32 in San Dines. These firefighters respond to emergencies throughout the county. These two positions actually represent six firefighters that can be called to staff additional equipment in times of high fire danger, such as in the last month.

This one single position may not seem like much but it greatly increases the effectiveness of a single engine company. The additional fourth firefighter roughly doubles the amount of hose an engine company can lay at any given time to control wildland fire. The addition of the firefighter paramedic at solving as well station 30 create a continuous paramedics service through the entire Valley.

In addition to the normal duties additional firefighter they added and fund at station 32 provides paramedical service to the county air support unit that performs backcountry rescue rescues and also area services thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:43:43

Dennis Beebe be followed by Joan Park and then we're going to hear from Jerry rounds

CommentDennis BeebeProposed1:43:48

Good morning. I live in Solvang, Dennis Beebe. I thank Supervisor Wolf for taking what I would have needed in terms of time. This agreement is largely based upon the EA. And a document which the board and the county has declared woefully inadequate. And yet we continually reference the EA in terms of the restrictions for the development of this land so there must be parts to the EA that are woefully inadequate and other parts that are perfectly good and let's sign up to it. I think you ought to incorporate all the restrictions that you're now currently referencing in the EA. Incorporate them into the document so there is no confusion and inconsistency pointed out in the first two pages of the agreement by Supervisor Wolf.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:44:39

John Park be followed by Jerry Rounds and then Richard Wideman

CommentJohn ParkProposedself-stated1:44:44

Good morning my name is John Park. I live in the valley lived there for over 20 years I was born in this county I'm an attorney, I don't represent anybody here. I won't even represent my wife she would never let me but I bring that up because in my law school studies at UCLA some 40 years ago focused on Native American law and my third year I helped co-write the revision of Felix Cohen's Federal Indian Law Handbook, especially the section on Wardship Doctrine which is the whole basis for the federal government's ability to discriminate for and against Indians. I wrote a paper on the application of local zoning laws in reservations specifically on allotted land. A lot of that is still relevant and I also served as a VISTA volunteer under JFK's program Representing Native Americans in coastal Alaska.

Like all my neighbors I was alarmed by the purchase of Camp 4 but you know, I knew that the Chumash had all the cards because the FETA trust process has been around for years decades independent legislation pending but I was very presently surprised when I saw the results of this Negotiation process, I particularly like the fact that the TCA goes away. That'll do a lot for land values throughout the valley. No gaming.

There's not going to be ranchettes like the one I live on and then everybody else does in the valley but we don't want to see any more of them because we'll see clustered housing with a lot of open space and the waiver of sovereign immunity is a tremendous advantage. In fact, I was so surprised at this agreement I wondered why would the Chumash ever agree to it?

And I think that it says a lot for the Chumash leadership. It says that they trust us and we should trust them, and they're looking for the long term. That means a lot to me about their intentions to do the right thing. So I just want to say I support this agreement and I support Mr. Williams and Joan Hartman. You see the measure of people outside the office and I've seen Mr. Williams on the water, I think he's not afraid of anything. And I've seen Ms. Hartman on horseback and I think she always knows how to get where she wants to go so they've done a good job and so has Mr. Kahn. I really appreciate it. My one negative thing I want to say is why did you schedule this on Halloween so I have to dress up like an adult?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:47:07

Thank

CommentJohn ParkProposedself-stated1:47:07

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:47:09

Jerry Rounds will be followed by Richard Wideman then Seth Steiner.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:47:15

Hi I live in the valley and I just wanted to come here and re-express my displeasure with this agreement. The agreement is about tax avoidance, it's about local control avoidance and I believe it's a consequence of the failure of past representation and I think significantly on the federal level. I'm kind of reminded of the story of the emperor that has no clothes as far as this agreement goes. I'm also reminded from history, I think of the Iran nuclear deal. I think of Neville Chamberlain and his piece in our time but fortunately we ended up with Churchill who I think could see the forest and see the trees and he was willing to go down kicking and screaming I think we're at kind of the edge of an abyss and I think it will only get worse.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:48:06

Richard Wideman to be followed by Seth Steiner and then Alina Simon.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:48:11

Good morning. I've lived in Santa Barbara County since 1977 and Santa Ynez since 2005. I lived around the corner from Camp 4. I've been an attorney, litigation attorney for 50 years. I'm actually old. And it's axiomatic in the practice of law we learn in the real practice that a bad settlement is better than a good lawsuit. And here you have a bad lawsuit and a good settlement.

This isn't a good lawsuit because as your council probably has told you in closed session, the Second Circuit Court of Federal Court of Appeals has already ruled that the Vacancy Reform Act did not preclude the predecessor to the guy who signed this taking it into consideration. And that's at 587 fed 3rd one 32. You can't get taxes. You have no local control as you sit here now if you push this lawsuit and if for some reason this lawsuit might be unsuccessful, you're going to lose all these concessions that the tribe has made to you. You won't get any money. You will have development possible along Highway 154.

Whatever the tribe wants to do with this property, you have the possibility of gambling which is something they give up now. And that is your

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What? That is your

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:49:57

one minute.

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Well it says 42 seconds here but I thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:50:01

I gave you extra.

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Seth Steiner is our next speaker followed by Alina Simon and then Chuck Huddleston.

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Good morning. I appreciate this opportunity to speak before you today we have largely dysfunctional executive and legislative branches of national government fortunately that's not the case obviously here in our home county. The full board entrusted two of its members to negotiate with the tribe The resulting agreement is quite plainly much better for the county than having no agreement.

For all the reasons well cited by others and it would allow both sides to move productively beyond discord some neighbors have real concerns and they have been respected I believe Joan Hartman and Das Williams worked hard to reach this good accord Lastly, let's not allow outside forces to weaken Joan and our government through a campaign of misinformation. Let's stand up for our democratic institutions and for our good government here at home. Thank you.

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Alina Simon to be followed by Chuck Huddleston and then we're going to go to the first of our three-minute speakers starting with our former congressional representative the Honorable Lois Capps

CommentElena Simon I'mProposedself-stated1:51:33

Thank you Lloyd. My name is Elena Simon I'm a resident of Santa Barbara County and I support this agreement between the county and the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians around Camp 4. I also sit on the board of SBCAN, Santa Barbara County Action Network and our board voted in support of this agreement we're focused on protecting open spaces and preserving environmental resources and we think that the agreement does just that I also work with Food and Water Watch and we know that water was a concern around this agreement and feel like the issues around water have been addressed. Thank you.

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Chuck Huddleston to be followed by Lois Capps and then Randall Day

PresenterChuck CuddlestonUnion Electrical Workers in Santa Barbara County for Local Union 413Proposedself-stated1:52:17

Madam Chair, Supervisors. I'm Chuck Cuddleston representing the Union Electrical Workers in Santa Barbara County for Local Union 413. You want...I want to commend you. I am in favor of this agreement and I want to commend both parties for working out an agreement when a situation was difficult for both. I can see that. What I want to talk about is our relationship with the Chumash. Many years ago, my predecessor when the first expansion occurred they used an out-of-town contractor to do the casino and the chairman then Vincent Armenta made a deal with my predecessor to do the sewer farm, the hotel, and the parking structure. When I met with Vincent Armenta, the chairman, a few years ago we talked about that and I told Vincent, I said listen You kept your word back then.

You've always kept your word to us. To me, we don't need a handshake. We don't need a contract. We don't need anything. You've always kept your word and I believe that the Chumash Band of Indians here will also keep their word in this contract and have nothing but good things to say about their work in the community and their relationship with us so I would strongly recommend that you adopt this. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Lois Capps to be followed by Randall Day and then we'll hear from Judith Dale, a former Builton City Council member.

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Honorable members of the Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County and Chair Joan Hartman Thank you for the privilege of appearing before you to discuss an issue that I have known about in my role as the former member of the House of Representatives representing various numbers but the central coast area in Washington, D.C., from that whole time. And until now and continuing this has been an issue before us.

This is a federally recognized tribe, and the Bureau of Indian Affairs and many federal agencies have direct connections with our native nations. This agreement is what in essence came to me to be the role that I should play on behalf of my constituents as the topic was introduced as legislation then and again as it is now. I would say as patiently and politely as I could to my colleagues.

This is a matter that belongs in local jurisdiction. It's a neighborhood issue, it's land use and particular land use. And I was successful then in the same way that you have been Chairwoman in allowing them while the legislation sits To hold off. Until such time as this could properly come before our county and be dealt with now they're waiting as you indicated madam chair they're waiting a very short time there is a momentum I want to attest to in the United States of America now.

To address injustices perpetrated on our native people Some years ago, some perhaps currently but if this action is not dealt with at the local level of government it will be dealt with by those who have no familiarity with what it's like to live here. And to me, the best government is that which is closest to home. And you wisely have reached a point in which limiting commercial and gaming and land use issues for the tribe and for Valor residents is something that you are ready to deal with as the Board of Supervisors for the county. I commend Your ad hoc committee for bringing you and us to this point today. And I salute you for this achievement and thank you so much for holding this hearing so that the voices of many can be heard. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.791:56:52

And thank you on behalf of the board in the community for all your efforts to bring us to this point.

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Randall Day to be followed by Judith Dale and then Richard Crutchfield

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:57:03

Thank you Chair Hartman and Supervisors for the opportunity to speak today. This room as we see is full of people who want the best for the San Dines Valley. Some I know well, some are only acquaintances but I respect and am grateful for all. To question before the board today, the agreement between the San Ynez Band of Chumash Indians and Santa Barbara County has roots that extend back thousands of years as we've heard.

Some of the legacy is animosity and conflict that seems to literally go with the territory. While we are affected by the past including the recent past in which there have been incidents in which civility and trust have been betrayed. Human beings also have the ability to change their minds and can decide to do things differently. Also there are many instances of positive connections which we've also heard about today. Friendships and productive working relationships among members of the tribe and non-members.

My hope is we will move beyond the adversarial days to a new season of mutuality and cooperation, of neighbors in respectful conversation about the part of the world we share and choosing mutually beneficial paths forward. The people of the San Ynez Valley, both members of the tribe and non-members are jointly responsible for building and maintaining a positive productive relationship.

The effect of which will serve everyone in the region. The agreement before the Board only does so much. No matter what form it took, it would be limited. For the best outcomes, citizens cannot rely on government structures, legal remedies, lobbyists, communication strategies, division into opposed camps, rhetoric and retort. For the best outcomes and for long-lasting, enduring beneficial results we need to rely on ourselves.

On our own abilities and resources and on working together with civility. I hope we create a representative forum for conversation in the valley, a San Ynez Valley Neighborhood Association if you will to discuss the wide range of concerns we will continue to face in the San Ynez Valley. Acknowledging its limitations, the agreement before the board provides a multi-year base for a needed time of transition from the adversarial era to a new collaborative era. From a time in which we look to the government to decree our relationship to taking responsibility for our shared life as neighbors.

While this agreement is not required for the federal legislation to go forward, it certainly gives us all a positive precedent for the next phase of work we have before us in this county and in the Santa Ynez Valley. And so even in this challenging era I live in hope I hope Santa Barbara County chooses to pave the path to the future with an agreement, and I hope we who live in the San Dines Valley venture forth into that future initiating a new season of positive collaborative relationship conversation and consultation. Thank you.

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Judith Dale is our next speaker to be followed by Richard Crutchfield and then Nicholas DiCroce

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First of all, I would like to thank both the Board of Supervisors and the Band of Chumash Indians for coming together and talking about this. It's been going on way too long. I am up here to ask you to please support this agreement, put this to bed, let the San Ynez Valley move forward in a united way I think we all could wear save the San Ynez Valley stickers no matter which side we're on. We do have a common goal and that unites us. This is a complex issue. I'm a sociologist, this would be a great case study because it's got historical, cultural, environmental, political, economic factors. You name it, this one has Maybe I will write that book. But it's not, you know we're at a compromise level and compromise means that both sides want more than they're going to get and both sides don't want to give up anything but that's what compromises and I feel this compromise is a good one Because the people of San Ynez Valley get some control, the county gets some money.

The tribe certainly gets what it needs for its housing and its facilities. So I could go on and on but let's put this puppy to bed, let's move forward. Let's get this agreement done so that we can move forward as United San Ynez Valley. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Richard Crutchfield to be followed by Nicholas DiCroce and then we're going to go to Santa Maria for Ken Huff and Mary Ellen Brooks.

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Morning members of the board Madam Chair Chumash Tribe I'm in favor basically with this agreement. I hope it's the beginning of a period of mutual trust and discourse not the culmination. The tribe is not going to go anywhere Nor should they. Neither are the non-tribal members going to go anywhere. I think we can work this out, thank you.

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Nicholas DiCroce to be followed by Ken Huff and Mary Lynn Brooks.

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CommentNicholas DiCroceProposedself-stated2:02:31

I'm Nicholas DiCroce and I have been a Solvang resident for almost 20 years. Once I became a resident of Solvang in Santa Barbara County, the Camp 4 issues became front and center for me and my neighbors. While I am opposed to any form of welfare that has outlived its usefulness And which was originally intended to financially assist Indian tribes. I am supportive of our laws and the compromise memo of understanding that has been negotiated between the tribe and the county.

The agreement includes the following provisions, which we've gone over No gaming will occur. The mitigation for public services has a dollar amount attached to it. The 1,200 acres of Camp 4 property will be conserved and there'll be open space and the groundwater usage is reasonable and has been limited in accordance with FONSI. Without the provisions of the Memo of Understanding, the county would have no legal remedy or recourse.

I would much prefer this MOU to the present conditions. Thank you.

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We're going to go to Santa Maria for Ken Huff and then Mary Ellen Brooks in Santa Maria and then back to Santa Barbara for Mr. Caldwell

PresenterKen Huffwith the Santa Barbara County Action Network which for 15 years has worked to prProposedself-stated2:04:10

Good morning Chair Hartman and Supervisors. I'm Ken Huff, Executive Director with the Santa Barbara County Action Network which for 15 years has worked to promote social and economic justice, preserve our environmental and agricultural resources and to create sustainable communities. To that end, we have in the past encouraged that plans for Camp 4 proceed in a manner consistent with the county's community plan.

That said, our Board of Directors voted unanimously to support the proposed agreement. They saw the agreement as an opportunity for the county, the tribe and the community to put years of acrimony behind them. Given the circumstances in Washington, D.C., we feel the county is fortunate to get an agreement about the Camp 4 property that it can enforce in state or federal court.

In light of the fact that Congress appears poised to act with or without a local agreement, we applaud the tribe for its willingness to work with the county and to come up with this agreement. We also applaud Supervisors Hartman and Williams for their diligent and creative work in negotiating an agreement that meets the tribe's housing needs, provides greater certainty for all stakeholders, and will hopefully offer an opportunity for harmony in the valley. SBCAN encourages your board to approve the agreement. Thank you.

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Mary Ellen Brooks then we're going to come back here for Andy Caldwell then Alex Jones

PresenterMary Ellen BrooksCitizens Planning AssociationProposedself-stated2:05:45

Yes good morning board. Members my name is Mary Ellen Brooks and I'm speaking today on behalf of Citizens Planning Association. Citizens Planning Association has supported sound water and land use policies in Santa Barbara County since 1960 we also support very strongly the community plan process several of our members did actively participate in the San Ynez Valley Community Plan update process CPA understands that without today's agreement, the Congress is poised to adopt H.R. 1491 which would preempt the county from any control over the Camp 4 lands.

The development would not be guided by the Santa Ynez Community Plan. In recent years, the tribe has worked within the community and the county process to build on its land. When they went through the permitting process for their service station, they seem to have a positive experience by using county standards in building a project to community expectations.

CPA supports the proposed agreement because it does include strict water use mitigation and monitoring plan on Camp 4. It also is an enforceable agreement which protects important view sheds. And there will be additional mitigation measures which will address the traffic impacts. In closing, I would like to say that Citizens Planning Association recommends today that the board vote to accept the proposed memorandum of agreement. Thank you.

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Andy Caldwell, then we'll hear from Alex Jones and then Karen Jones

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated2:07:34

Madam Chair, members of the Board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. Supervisor Adam hit the nail on the head when he said we've not had a process like this and the reason for that is the board's used to being the final authority and the community planned the law. Well in this particular case you're not the final authority. Federal law and Congress are the final authority and this negotiation recognizes that.

I want the record, I almost can't say this. I'm going to choke on these words but I want the record to indicate that food and water watch, SP Can, CPA and CoLab are in

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agreement.

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated2:08:17

I don't think I will ever say that again. I know that hell is

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frozen

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated2:08:21

over now.

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I am hoping there's going to be another one where they're all on the same page.

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated2:08:27

You know the problem and most of you know this, I've been saying this for a dozen years until the county and the community recognized the fact that the tribe is a government nothing was going to be achieved. They finally have done that and now you have an agreement that look at all the different people supporting this by virtue of the public testimony this is a no-brainer I would like to add one thing that Supervisor Adam brought up and others have brought up in the community. I understand how the county would like to get more but for you to get more, the tribe has to give up more and we believe they've given up a lot And we don't think you should be looking at the hundred and something thousand dollars a year in a vacuum of two significant things.

Number one your biggest cost Supervisor Adam, members of board is public safety it's police and fire they are paying for the impacts for police and fire already in the valley and then some. So that's the biggest concern so you have to tack on to the 178, the cost of what they're already paying. And then more importantly there is nobody in this county that is giving more back to the community and charitable donations than the tribe.

Over 20 million to date. Two schools, two public safety, two non-profits from A to Z and you have to look at the total picture of how much they are giving, how much they are willing to give and how much they will continue to give to look at the entire picture And so I think that again, we've been saying this forever. Negotiation and mitigation trumps litigation and legislation trumps everything. This is the best deal you're going to get. We urge you to take it. Thank you.

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Alex Jones will be followed by Karen Jones and then Avery Capello

CommentAlex JonesProposedself-stated2:10:30

Hello my name is Alex Jones. I'd like to start the comments today by asking Supervisor Williams to please refrain from personally attacking me in the way he did at the last meeting by calling me two-faced after I spoke. I know you're smiling now but it actually was offensive to me and I believe below the office that you hold. I would like to entitle my comments today Fruit from a poison tree because that's what I believe this deal is. Any deal that Doss Williams is driving because of his clear conflict of interest that gets voted upon and passed today will be fruit from a poison tree.

You said a lot of things at the last supervisors meeting and one of the most important was in fact the most important one, and I quote it's all a matter of public record It is all a matter of public record. Doss Williams 1017 17 quote the $18,000 in question given to me by the Chumash is all a matter of public record you can see where that money went it was transferred to be used on Isla Vista service district collection. Right?

Is that correct? Well unfortunately that is 100% not true. I went and looked through every single election document, I looked through the 460s though there was money given to the IV special service selection you gave $80,000 to yourself. The Doss Williams for supervisor 2016 campaign did transfer $80 thousand dollars to Doss Williams Isla Vista self-governance 2016 ballot measure committee Just on 6-6-16 two days before the election. The 460 filed on August 1st lists the individuals and organizations whose contributions were transferred as a part of that $80,000. Guess what?

None of them were from the Chumash. Seems to me that you have a problem here. There's a clear conflict of interest if I believe that you chose to lie on the record in anybody that chooses to lie on the record in public in a public meeting How can we know when they won't lie? I think your credibility has been soiled by this whole process and the way that you refused to acknowledge even your conflict of interest. Not even recuse yourself, just acknowledge it.

Now here's the sad part and the unfortunate part for Joan. Joan chose to accept $23,208 from Doss Williams. The Doss Williams for Supervisor 2016 campaign transferred $20,000 to the Hartman campaign on 6-10-16 and then another $3,208 to her on 7-25-16. Then a month later the Chumash gave Doss Williams $18,000. Something stinks. This deal is fruit from a poison tree that Doss Williams planted, the casino watered and unfortunately Joan Hartman's about to take a big bite.

And Joan we've communicated through this whole thing you know from the podium I respect you I wanted you to do well but if you go through with this deal you will be recalled and you will lose.

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Our next speaker is Karen Jones followed by Avery Capello and then Nancy Emerson.

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Good morning I would like to start by apologizing to Supervisor Wolf. The last time I stood here and spoke, I lumped South Coast versus North Coast and I think I was being very partisan and unfair to you when I did that it was coming off the short term rental vote and I had this partisan way of looking at things and you have spoke strongly and passionately in favor of protecting the environment And I hope that your vote today matches that, but there is no vote that you have had on this issue in the past that should have led me to believe that you are going to vote along party lines here. And so with everyone here, I hope that their rhetoric matches their vote because So many times when we listen to the guiding principles of this agreement you went through five guiding principles of the ad hoc committee which met in private, which did not give me an opportunity to participate or observe what you did.

Supervisor Williams speaks about intentions and good intentions. And that word intention makes me feel like there's a racket, you know? A lot of times when people say well I intend to do this it's really giving them some wiggle room on the back end. But these principles that you talked about that guided you were all about respecting the tribe, respecting – I never heard any respect for the individual rights of your constituents Two people do not have twice the rights as one person.

Each person in this room has an equal right and we should all be treated equally under the law, be it land use. And if somebody can apply for a liquor license they should be able to apply for a home building permit. We should all apply for these things, be treated equally under the eyes of the law Everybody sitting up here took an oath of office. You were all going to protect the Constitution and I have rights guaranteed to me.

The fifth amendment, the 14th amendment and I won't even say ironically because really there's something about it that makes a strange kind of sense. You know history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. The fact that you violated the Brown Act in spirit but perhaps not the letter of the law of the Brown Act, I'm not a lawyer, you are. But to deliberately meet on a committee without the public being able to observe or participate That was used to keep schools segregated. That was used to segregate races and this seems like there's segregation going on here now one group of people based on their DNA although nobody is doing DNA tests here to decide who has been aggrieved enough to get special treatment but this is all very troubling that you are voting for segregation based on race and your voting to violate my individual rights as a sovereign born native thank you

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Avery Capello to be followed by Nancy Emerson and then Bruce Porter.

PresenterBarry CapelloNancy Crawford HallProposedself-stated2:16:40

Madam Chairman, members of the board. I'm Barry Capello. I represent Nancy Crawford Hall, the owner of the San Lucas Ranch, the largest ranch in the valley, the largest cattle and horse operation in the valley. A way of life that was preserved for a hundred years and after nine years of hearings, hearings which I attended, was preserved in the Santa Anaz Valley Community Plan.

That plan Supervisor Adams is the process. That's why this is so unusual, that's why this is so peculiar because the plan is the law in this county. Now I wear this red tie today so each and every one of you think about stop Stop don't let some tin horn congressman from Richvale California at the Oregon border force you, bully you into doing something which violates your own words. Your county council on your behalf stated those words this is incompatible with the plan.

Incompatible now if the first house isn't going to be built till 2024 do the process You want your community plan amended, go through the process. No secret Brown Act meetings negotiating with the tribe. Go to your community, amend the plan, have hearings on the amendment, do the EIR and then if you want to do what Plan B is, you go ahead and do Plan B. That's the process and that's not going to take until 2024 but I assure you we will not let this rest.

Because there are adverse effects that you are not considering, that no one has considered. That no one ever thinks about. Your County Council has the duty to tell you the following. That when the homes move from the Chumash Reservation to Camp 4 The Chumash Reservation is now free, clear of any properties and it can build than any number of casinos it wants. Don't tell me you don't have gaming on Camp 4. Who cares about the gaming on Camp 4?

You're going to have more 12-story monstrosities on the Chumash Reservation What you don't and haven't been told is the following, that when you put a hundred times the zoning on this property my client can come in and say I'm an adjacent property. I now want 100 homes. And you have changed the nature and quality of the valley. That is what is going to happen.

It's well said in Proverbs It said it best, he that soileth his own house shall inherit the wind. Do you want to be those supervisors 20-25 years from now that people go my God what happened to the valley? It happened today because of this vote if you vote for this. Thank you.

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Nancy Emerson is our next speaker followed by Bruce Porter and then Penny Knowles.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm a resident of Solvang, so not directly impacted by Camp 4. Are Tumish and other residents able to agree that we all love this valley including its physical beauty? It is our home. We want it to be a good place for people to live and work Can we agree that it is important to the valley as well as the Chumash for them to recapture their heritage of unified space for housing and a tribal center somewhere better than the existing reservation?

If so, where might it be located? Wherever a housing and tribal center were built, neighbors would be negatively impacted. I am very concerned that in addition to achieving agreements that protect the land we make protecting those neighbors an equally high priority. Will both you and the Chumash make it your joint mission to give the adjacent neighbors, particularly those on Linda Vista Baseline and 154, the consideration you would want if you were those neighbors?

The Edison Corridor in San Ynez connects to the current discussion. The neighbors living along it and the entire township have been daily impacted by the casino for most of the last 30 years, and the problems increase without solution. Consequently, the highest level of distrust seems to be coming from those neighbors. With or without an agreement, there need to be joint efforts to solve this issue if alternatives to litigation are to be considered.

Working together on issues like this turns up related matters. It has been pointed out by Mary Beth Kerr that improvements to the baseline Edison intersection need to be made I would extend that to improving the section of baseline east of the intersection and past camp 4, whether or not there is an agreement. That section is dangerous. In the last 30 years, the Chunash have developed the resources to express their longtime status as a sovereign nation, as well as their role as American citizens.

Nothing in the American experience or education has prepared either party for dealing with a changed and dichotomous relationship. All of us are struggling to learn how to do this well. And the result has been mutual resentment, distrust, fee-to-trust applications and litigation. Is litigation an adversarial relationship? The only answer to our situation. Isn't it time to try something other than litigation, even though the agreement is imperfect?

Thank you.

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Bruce Porter to be followed by Penny Knowles and then

CommentBruce PorterProposedself-stated2:23:51

David Kusinian. Good morning I'm Bruce Porter, I live in Santa Ynez. I proudly count the Chumash as my neighbors as well as hundreds of other residents of Santa Ynez in the valley. This quote right here you gave us about a year ago Jones so as we began this process I thought it was awesome that we would have what's definitely an historic opportunity to change the way we do things in the Santa Ynez Valley between those of us who are in the tribe and those who are not.

So as we began that here is kind of how I thought it might look. If we're going to be collaborative, we bring in stakeholders right? And who are the stakeholders? Certainly the county and the tribe. What about the federal agencies that are going to be taking over responsibility for Camp 4? Local agencies. What about the neighbors and what about our schools?

Let's talk about each one of those. So I picked up the phone and I called the Corps of Engineers down in their Los Angeles district, and asked a bunch of people down there, hey are you prepared for what's going to be happening on Camp 4? The county had never reached out to them. So I called the Ventura office of Fish & Wildlife, that's the regional office. Hey are you guys ready for what's gonna happen on Camp 4?

Nobody from the county had called them about Camp 4. I called the EPA up in San Francisco, Region 9 and I have to admit that I got lost in their voice process so I was not able to talk to them. I don't know if anybody live really lives there. Local agencies We have ID-1, we have the Sandy Nez Community Services District. We have the cities of Buellton and Solvang. All of them provide services to the tribe in general and Camp 4 even if the residences like where I live in Sandy Nez are not on their boundaries parks and recreation we piggyback on the cities. Libraries are a concern to all of us. We know how poorly funded they are. Public transportation that little van that we have going around is a joint responsibility So I called each one of the managers, city managers or the general managers of these organizations.

Has anybody from the county called you to talk to you about this Camp 4 agreement? And I respect Mayor Sierra for what she had to say but nobody from the county called her city manager to talk about any of this agreement or from any of these other organizations. You would expect in a big agreement like this there would be outreach from the county to hold neighborhood meetings of the various neighborhoods around Camp 4.

And I talked to various people, I'm sure I didn't talk to everybody, were any of these communities proactively reached out to to talk about the impacts and how we might mitigate those in this agreement? And my apologies it should be Shepherd Farm not Shepherd Ranch but the answer is none of them When we're talking about collaboration here that's what we hope would happen.

I'm really worried about our schools That many new homes, hundreds of new students 20 new classrooms that's millions of dollars. The tribe has already said in separate form they're willing to talk about it the county didn't even bring it up in agreements and it's not there we have a long way to go I hope we go way past this agreement if that's what you decide to do but there's too many things left on the table and we need to fix that Penny Knowles

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is our next speaker to be followed by David Kassinian and then Andy Culberson.

PresenterPenny KnowlesWEWATCH an environmental organization in the valley committed to preseProposedself-stated2:27:27

Good morning Chairman Hartman, members of the Board of Supervisors, Tribal Chairman Hong. I'm Penny Knowles. I am a resident of Santa Ynez but I'm here to speak to you this morning as president of WEWATCH an environmental organization in the valley committed to preserving its rural character We were formed as Women's Environmental Watch back in 1992 because of concern about the urbanization of the valley.

We began studying Feed to Trust when this land use emerged locally around 2000. Having worked on the Valley Blueprint and the San Ynez Valley Community Plan Update, our position is to support county jurisdiction over land use issues So that the updates, zoning which protects agricultural lands can be maintained. We joined with the San Ynez Valley Coalition in an effort to retain Camp 4 lands under county jurisdiction because like other valley residents we have been wary of how such an annexation might erode the rural character of the valley which we are committed to preserving.

Since then, the Chumash tribe's application for annexation of Camp 4 has been approved by the Department of the Interior and congressional legislation AB 1491 has been drafted to ensure that this is final. At this point we believe that there is nothing that can be done short of litigation to reverse this action and so in effect there will be no county control over this land going forward Now the county has been placed in an untenable position by the federal government, in that it is being required to negotiate what it will be willing to give up because of the Fee-to-Trust Program's lack of concern for communities adjacent to tribal lands. The system itself is obviously broken.

The memorandum of agreement that has been hammered out by the county subcommittee working with the Chumash leadership has positive features, we feel. 83% of the acreage is envisioned in agriculture or open space including protected riparian corridors and oakwood land with 16% reserved for housing. A tribal center and utilities. A 90 plus, 90 feet plus foot setback is promised along 154 corridor to preserve the view shed. Territory water recycling is envisioned with specific measures to ensure groundwater recharge.

In meeting with the tribe's environmental officer we have been impressed with the tribes commitment to recycling and drought tolerant planting on the reservation. And we believe that the tribe is committed to environmental stewardship. However, the fact remains that the county may or may not have any influence on this development or what on emerges after 2040 even with a signed agreement.

In the end it will be up to the tribe to choose whether or not to develop the project as proposed while doing everything possible to mitigate negative impacts on adjacent properties through neighbor-to-neighbor dialogue.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.792:30:57

And that is your time. One more paragraph.

PresenterPenny KnowlesWEWATCH an environmental organization in the valley committed to preseProposedself-stated2:31:00

We are pretty because this is important we appreciate that the auto committee has tried with his MOU to get us beyond litigation which has been the local communities only previous recourse. Now it is up to the tribe to prove that they can live up to their stated intentions improve communication with neighboring property owners and demonstrate in the future a commitment to valley wide planning. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:31:26

David Kosinian to be followed by Andy Culbertson and then Wendy Tillman.

2:31 – 2:386 turns

PresenterDavid CousineauSan Lucas RanchProposedself-stated2:31:35

Good morning my name is David Cousineau, I work at Capello and Noel and I represent San Lucas Ranch. I'm not here to talk about whether the agreement is good bad or better than some other agreement. I am here to talk to you about whether you can enter the agreement. In order to enter the agreement, it has to be compatible with the community plan. It is not compatible with the community plan and how do we know this?

We know this because the county, through its executive officer, through its council has admitted repeatedly that it is incomplete...that the development and let's be clear this agreement approves a development. It approves development of 143 one acre residences and 30 acres of tribal facilities where they will be placed exactly is yet to be determined but it approves that development And the county has said repeatedly that that development is incompatible with the community plan. This was said in 2013, in 2014, in 2015, in January of 2017. The development is incompatible with the community plan.

Looking at agriculture, Supervisor Williams you made a comment earlier about agriculture should be preserved. It's not should be it's shall be preserved and that is very important because shall is an unequivocal directive. It shall be preserved This agreement converts approximately 1,200 acres of 1,400 acres of agricultural land to other uses. The county has said that that is inconsistent with current agricultural zoning. This is an admission.

Similarly you cannot allow urban development to expand. This expands urban development. You have admitted this development is an urban development On mitigation, and Supervisor Wolf you brought this up. You have said, sorry you raised questions about the mitigation. You have said the mitigation measures quote do not provide adequate protection. You have said that there is no data on their effectiveness or their ability to mitigate any impacts. And you have further said without that data, you cannot determine whether it offers any mitigation. So you cannot say that this mitigates any impacts?

It does not comply with the community plan. If you approve this, you are going to have to explain under cross-examination how each of these admissions squares with your approval of this agreement and there is a way to do this. You can amend the community plan Supervisor Wolf, following up on your comment that this is not specific enough it's too vague. If you look at page 21 of our request for a temporary restraining order we go through some other examples of how this is too vague. This is a 23 year agreement that is so vague that I as a private attorney would never counsel a client to enter the agreement

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.792:34:54

And that is your time.

PresenterDavid CousineauSan Lucas RanchProposedself-stated2:34:55

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:34:56

Andy Culbertson to be followed by Wendy Tillman and then CJ Jackson.

PresenterAndy Culbertsonmyself and my husbandProposedself-stated2:35:04

Good morning I'm Andy Culbertson and I'm here on behalf of myself and my husband. I've been asking two questions for over a month and I have not gotten answers and perhaps the board can help me out first why are you supporting 1491? You have an agreement that you've negotiated with the Chumash and there's no need to have 1491 in your involvement Including the agreement in 1491 is completely unnecessary.

Plus, 1491 proposes to take your authority away. Now we vote for you to exercise your authority on our behalf on local matters. I can't conceive of a reason why support for 1491 is necessary unless The Chumash have refused to enter into an agreement with you unless you support 1491. Now 1491, there's some misleading comments made here. 1491 does affect the litigation. Motions to dismiss if 1491 passes will be filed I'm sure by the Chumash against the litigation thereby depriving The constituents, your constituents of availing themselves of judicial remedies which I think is very important. That's how our separation of powers works. Judicial review of executive branch decisions and that's what this is.

I am also not impressed with speculation about whether or not that would work the courts will tell us whether it works so I respectfully request that the board Do not get involved in 1491. If you want to enter an agreement with the Chumash, enter an agreement with the Chumash but 1491 has no part of it. Secondly maybe I'm just not as good at fiscal matters as perhaps Supervisor Adam is but I can't make 178,000 pencil on anything even if I leave out fire protection and police and schools.

I don't know where that number came from. I keep getting told it's a number that is an offset. Tell me about it. There is absolutely no justification, no rational basis for that number. We have a county that's facing a fairly significant deficit in future years. I'd like to know. I'm completely aware that there's nothing I can do about taxes now the property is in trust. I recognize that but please do me the courtesy of explaining where the heck the number came from because I don't see it.

I thank you very much for the work and I particularly would like to turn away from the board for just a moment and thank Chairman Kahn and the Chumash for coming back to the table after they'd won. And I do appreciate that so with that Madam Chair, members of the board I would very much appreciate that you consider my comments but please do not support 1491. That is an assault on our county. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:38:10

Wendy Tillman to be followed by CJ Jackson and then Brian Gregory.

2:38 – 2:454 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:38:18

Good morning members of the board, members of the community. I wanted to address some of the comments initially raised by the community in Los Olivos the last time you all came forward with the initial plan but I've also been listening to the comments today and what I picked up several weeks ago were there are four main issues trust, sovereignty, longevity And litigation.

And unfortunately people would focus on one particular point in the agreement and pick it apart. The trust issue is something that we didn't get where we are quickly and we're not going to get out of it quickly. Trust is degraded gradually, and trust rebuilds gradually. There's been a changing of the guard both at the board level and at the Chumash and as well in the community. And all the participants who have lost the trust need the time to rebuild the trust.

The environmental Excuse me the environmental impact issues that have been pointed out and addressed in your proposed memorandum of understanding. And have been commented upon throughout are only going to be implemented when the trust is rebuilt nothing's gonna happen overnight. The issue of sovereignty and waiver has not been in my opinion dealt with head on People have come here and have threatened the board. They've threatened actions against the board, they've threatened recalls against the board but this issue of sovereignty should not be overlooked it is like France in the United Nations we have a government in the Chumash in the tribe that is no different than France We can't drag France in kicking and screaming and force them to submit to our local land use ordinances.

And we have a sovereign nation agreeing to make cooperation to meet environmental impacts willingly. Now, the trust issue underpins it all. Are we going to rebuild the trust or are we going to continue fighting? The issue of longevity is also a concern. The highest and best use, which is the principle of most land uses that when you build it out according to a plan. It remains for several decades and isn't going to be the highest and best use going forward if it is, it will be there and 40 years is certainly a sufficient amount of time to see the highest and But most of all my points are about litigation. I have heard 50-year lawyers come up and speak, and I've heard currently represented counsel come up and speak. Currently represented counsel are hired to make an argument.

They're hired to advocate. They're hired to advocate on behalf of their client what is in their clients best self interest. Make no mistake about it, I spent 38 years doing that myself. But the reason 98% of cases settle in California as they did when I joined the bar 38 years ago and they still do today is to buy down risk. Buying down risk is what a settlement is about it is about creating certainty, it is about creating certainty going forward. It is not about perfection and it never will be. It's about certainty thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:41:39

CJ Jackson to be followed by Brian Gregory and then Mike Brady

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:41:44

Madam Chair, Supervisor C.J. Jackson I'm here on behalf of the concerned citizens again. I have spent six hours and three minute bites speaking to this body over the last 18 years on this subject. Here we go again what a long strange trip it's been. I am opposed to the agreement. I have continued since founding Concerned Citizens back in 99 or rejuvenating it, to this is now and always has been a land use issue.

And I have been in Santa Barbara County for most of my life in which the throwback from this board to the community is that diligent review of land use decision making Looking at the burdens, looking at the impacts has been the operating principle of Santa Barbara County. And you will impose that on every single resident who surrounds Camp 4. Your documents that are provided in this memorandum of understanding that you revert back to, the FONSI and the EA, you challenged as being deficient. I would argue they indeed were deficient We are in a hurry up mode here to accommodate a pending piece of legislation which may or may not go through for a housing development that I have now heard will not begin construction until 2023.

So there is pressure on your body to make this decision. I understand that, AB 653, AB 171, SB 65. Your current budgetary situations. You're in an ugly situation that I would categorize as duress and you made a decision accordingly. I want more than anything to sit at the table with Ken Conn. I couldn't get along very well with his predecessor, but I like him a whole lot and we've got things done together. The future to me is what I'm most concerned about and the aftermath of this agreement is what I'm most concerned about. I raised several issues from solid waste to air quality to traffic to a host of issues that were not addressed after I made them in your meeting structure.

For the first time in all of those meetings, Chairman Kahn made a commitment to the rural and agricultural character of the San Ynez Valley. I asked every meeting so I got But I still have a document that avoided discussion of true traffic mitigation, avoided discussion of true impacts in a document that was deliberately not diligent in structure. Supervisor Hartman in closing. I drove the other week on Wednesday from McMurray Road to San Ynez Valley Cottage Hospital. I left at quarter of five to be able to sign documents at 530. I could not do so, I got there at 545.

This is what we are facing. And there has not been a reasonable or diligent assessment of traffic burdens, of air quality, of water quality and that is why as much as I acknowledge what has transpired it's a good start but you're not done. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:45:14

Brian Gregory is our next speaker to be followed by Mike Brady and then Brian Kramer.

2:45 – 2:514 turns

CommentBrian Gregory I'mProposedself-stated2:45:28

Chair Hartman, members of the board. My name is Brian Gregory I'm with IBEW Local 413. 2017 marks 100 years that we've been serving our members here in Santa Barbara County. We held our celebration dinner at the Chumash Casino and it was a wonderful event, in large part because of the fantastic staff and the beautiful facilities. I believe that we're really fortunate to have a world-class venue like this right here to complement our wine industry and our coastal landscapes and the other attractions that bring visitors to our county During the recent expansion the Chumash decided to hire local workers through our local union halls thus providing apprenticeship training opportunities for high school graduates, returning veterans and displaced workers in need of a career.

And they did this without a written project labor agreement because we had something much better. They gave us their word You will not find a better partner to work with than the Chumash because they genuinely care about preserving our environment, our history. They care about people and community. Show me another entity that provides the same level of support for the many organizations that do so much good in our county.

And they do it very honorably. No fanfare day in and day out I get the neighborhood concerns and all these things but you folks are responsible for the bigger picture. And in the spirit of goodwill we ask that you continue to work with the Chumash for our mutual benefit, and to feel good about it because you're doing the right thing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:47:20

Mike Brady followed by Brian Kramer and then Carrie Marshall

CommentMike BradyProposedself-stated2:47:30

I'm Mike Brady and I would invite you or anybody in this room to actually do a windshield tour up armor Ranch Road baseline Avenue and one 54. And if you come away from that tour saying that there is no significant impact to what is going to be happening with alternate B on any of its versions, you and I are living in a different universe Chairman Kahn was correct in his October 11th letter when he allowed the county the changes to having the hearing today.

His message was why? The public meetings held on September 25th and October 5th and 9th, they were window dressing theater to allow everyone their three minutes to vent Did we get answers? We got responses to justify an already done deal. Yes, but answers? What changed in the 2013 environmental assessment and finding of no significant impact that the tribe issued What happened in the seven months of secret negotiations to change the land use plan the tribe wanted in 2013?

Nothing. Now, the MOA requires the county to do a complete 180. Send a letter to Congress saying the mitigation agreement is great. What changes were made to the mitigations since 2013? Nothing. What changed to the basics of the county's lawsuit in federal court based on lack of environmental review? How did that just simply evaporate, what happened? Why would you agree to state and to support in the halls of Congress What you know is simply not true.

Go ahead, capitulate but don't lie. My hat's off to LaMalfa. The threat of 1491 worked. The tribe gets exactly what it wanted in 2013. The tribe pays about $4 million to the county over 17 years But it receives offsets for this $4 million in the way of giving the tribe credits for payments the tribe would owe to the state. It's a show game, they give the money to the county 4 million, they get it back from the state. It is zero sum game for them.

Congratulations not a bad deal. Today the board unfortunately I think has produced one more show. It's a nice job of you looking concerned and thinking that what I say here makes a difference. Again hats off to the tribe, excellent negotiators thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:51:02

Brian Kramer is our next speaker to be followed by Kerry Marshall and then James Marino

2:51 – 2:566 turns

CommentMickey FlaxProposedself-stated2:51:11

I'm not the next speaker but the speaker has allowed me to take his turn if that's okay.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.792:51:18

Are you taking? Oh so she took your spot in line. Thank you. Right of course

CommentMickey FlaxProposedself-stated2:51:27

I'm Mickey Flax and I'm a representative of the Housing Open Space and Transportation Committee, the HOT committee of SBCAN. I too like person we call Andy Colab. I'm choking a little bit to find myself in agreement with him and with CPA but there it is. The issue before you is a yay or nay vote, essentially because amendments can't be made to a negotiated agreement. You'd have to go back and start from scratch. Starting from scratch would result in the tribe having total control over the area with no possibility of local control at all. I don't think that would be good for anybody. On the other hand, this agreement indicates the possibility of further negotiations with the tribe in a spirit of communication, compromise and harmony that has not been so visible before.

It makes the development proposed adhere to an agreed upon essentially zoning of the area. The map is essentially like a zoning map shows where the housing should go, where the open space should go etc., That's what zoning does, and this is pre-project zoning by the agreement. It avoids the expensive and probably futile court action by the county. And perhaps it creates a new era of county tribal relations.

Please don't strangle this new baby in its cradle. It could grow to be an adult who is the county's pride. So please vote to approve this agreement. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:53:18

Brian Kramer. Then we'll hear from Kerry Marshall and James Marino.

CommentBrian KramerProposedself-stated2:53:24

Good morning, I'm Brian Kramer. Um, I live out in San Anaz. I'm a neighbor of camp for a neighbor of the tribe. I think this is a great process where people can come up with their different views. I've written a number of letters to each of the board members. I've written letters to Lois caps. I wish she was back in Washington representing us. Maybe things would be a little different. Unfortunately we're stuck with what we have.

Um... Before I came down here, I asked my wife what attitude should I have, honey? Should I be mean, nasty? She goes, Brian why don't you just be nice and polite. So I'm going to take her advice since she's my client. Someone earlier said the lawyers that come in here are hired guns. I'm an attorney. I am involved in litigation from day one. I was the first one along with my wife to file the appeal against the Assistant Secretary of the Interior.

The county filed after I did. And maybe part of the confusion and anxiety that we have is based on what the county has said in federal pleadings filed in the federal litigation. The county has stated the development of Camp 4 would violate numerous local laws, including the violation of the Santa Ana Valley Community Plan. It violates regulations that protect and promote the public health safety general welfare of the residents and businesses of the county. The county further stated many, many times the proposed development of the property would threaten protective species and habitat. The selected development alternative B would remove 50 oak trees on the property which are protected and provide habitat to many other species. The removal would occur without proper mitigation significantly impacting biological resources in the area.

You went on to state that public services in the area would be seriously impacted. The county has maintained in federal papers that the California Department of Transportation has concluded and advised the BIA that the traffic studies supported in the EA were flawed and misrepresented the actual operating conditions. The county went on to state that the BIA, Bureau of Internal Affairs violated the National Environmental Policy Act by failing to prepare an environmental impact statement The county has time and time again told us that this EA is flawed. The whole process you said was flawed I know what you've said I read every pleading every word the county has written and filed it's on your Web sites I quoted it in my letters to tell you why there's confusion why does the community that supposed this is confused.

You've misled us. You've confused us. One speaker wanted to know where did this $178,500 come from? Well if you do the math and you look at the EA these homes, 143 homes cost between $985,000 and 1.3 million dollars. If you add up the amounts the maximum amount is $178 million dollars. You take one tenth of one percent of what they plan to develop and that's what they're paying.

We've been here now for three hours. The tribe runs a very successful casino it makes I understand a million dollars a day while we've been sitting here today they've generated enough income to pay for one year of the impact that Camp 4 is going to have on this community took three hours for them to pay what they're gonna do to camp for the impacts thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:56:42

Cary Marshall to be followed by James Marino and then Larry Bishop

2:56 – 3:034 turns

CommentCarrie MarshallProposedself-stated2:56:51

Hi I'm Carrie Marshall and I'm a second generation Santa Barbara County property owner. My parents moved here gosh over 50 years ago and had a veterinary practice together. I've grown up here, I'm the veterinarian and I came back recently my career took me north and I recently came back in July And I came back and found out that this valley that I thought was so special and has been part of my heritage, and I'm sure many people's heritage is threatened. And I think we're all kind of attacking details. I'd like to just step back again for a second as I do when I ride my horse up above the San Andres Mountains and look down The new casino does not look pretty from that view. I don't think anybody's ancestors would be proud of that, from that view and I think we have to take that view here.

I think we're rushing through something and it seems like I've been to every local meeting since I've been here We're rushing into something and pressuring ourselves when there's a bigger issue. I'm a veterinarian, I like to go to the heart of the diagnosis and I like to find out the real problem and it seems to me we're rushing this in assuming that 1491 is going to go through that fetal trust is the right thing for this day and age and for this particular property and valley that we all enjoy And we'd like to be here. I love my nephew who plans to live here, to be able to enjoy it and I believe that will be gone. I've been to Seattle and lived, I've been in Portland and through little actions I'm sure just like have happened here in this room those communities now are almost unlivable because you can't, because of the traffic.

We have heard traffic issues and concerns from locals. Those are real. Those are real. And I'm also very interested, of course because I love animals and horses etc., I'm interested in the ecology and the environmental impact statements that are not up to California standards are real those are real issues that will come and bite us back in the future I've been to Frankfurt. I would never go back. The little decisions in that community internationally, those little decisions we make today are going to make the communities in 40-50 years unlivable for all of us and so I just...I would go slow. I would not support this agreement. I would take all of our efforts and try to preserve the heritage of our community. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:59:38

James Marino is our next speaker. Then we'll hear from Joe Armendariz, then Willie Wyatt

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:59:47

Good morning Madam Chair, members of the board. I had submitted as you know 13 written questions asking for answers and got no answers to any of them but I was happy to see some of the supervisors including the ones not here apparently did at least read them and had some questions that are very important and should be asked. First of all the ad hoc committee was charged with negotiating a mutually agreeable document, an agreement MOU that was legally enforceable. That's extremely important because a contract is only as good as it's legally enforceable and I like to think we could go around shaking hands and everything would be fine. We wouldn't need contracts but that's not the case.

To be legally binding it has to be enforceable in court So let's assume that these vague references to the EA can be incorporated somehow magically into this agreement without a proper legal, what we call an incorporation clause which is very specific if you want to bring in outside documents and make them binding as part of the contract. Let's assume that the waiver of sovereign immunity is valid, which I have questions about.

Now let's assume that the land goes into trust and as all of you know once that happens, the county loses all control and jurisdiction over the land and the tribe could otherwise do whatever they like on that land. And you know from the case in letter, and I know that Supervisor Hartman understands it, the BIA will do nothing. They don't enforce any conditions or restrictions on land that goes into trust So the next thing is, what if something happens? The tribe says well we're going to build 500 homes.

What happens then? The county runs down to the federal or state courthouse and files a lawsuit? What does the judge do? If it's not in the contract, he can't enforce it. What's he gonna do? Is he gonna issue a writ? What is the enforcement mechanism? I had asked for that. Where's your authority? Can you show me cases where judges have gone to a tribe that has land and trust and enforced some kind of an outside agreement either for non-conforming use or whatever?

You know if it's a regular developer, you all know what can happen then. You could be fined, they can probably tell you hey if you don't take it down we'll knock it down. I think the fact is that this agreement is not legally enforceable and the community gets nothing from it and you have no control Mr. Caldwell gets up here and he exhorts us all to look at the whole picture. I've yet to see him or many of the tribe members look at the whole picture. Yeah, they make some charitable donations but do they ever talk about how the millions of dollars they don't pay in taxes that you need to provide these services to this county? Do they ever talk about the millions they get every year? In federal welfare and grant money even though they're earning millions of dollars we all know that.

So if you can look at the big picture, look at all of it and I don't have time to talk about the APA but I think you know what my points are there thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:02:59

Joe Armendariz to be followed by Willie Wyatt and then Bill Crouch.

3:03 – 3:116 turns

PresenterJoe ArmendarzSanta Barbara County Taxpayers Association For a long timeProposedself-stated3:03:07

Members of the board I'm Joe Armendarz representing Santa Barbara County Taxpayers Association For a long time, it's kind of occurred to me that really the issue here isn't whether they have too much sovereignty. Frankly, it's that we don't have enough. We don't have enough sovereignty as taxpayers, as residents because of the iron clause of government. There is so much regulatory abuse going on in the world today that it's probably understandable that some people take this sort of it's not fair that they get to do and I don't get to do. We all should have more freedom. We should all have more liberty, we should all have more opportunity to pursue the American dream. That's what the tribe is doing. They're pursuing the American dream. I would submit that it's not the American dream, it's the universal dream.

You know, I've said oftentimes too that the county as an economic strategy needs to identify its strategic assets and some of them are obvious. You have UCSB, you have Vandenberg Air Force Base, you have the oil industry, and you have the tribal operations, the casino and the resort. These are opportunities, these are our comparable advantages to generate more revenue. Do I wish this agreement provided more direct revenue to the county? Of course! I'm in love with revenue. I want the county government to have as much revenue as it can possibly get Frankly, I'm not always meeting the same level of enthusiasm that I have on the other side of the podium. Sometimes you say no to revenue and I wish you wouldn't because revenue is essential to the delivery of programs and services that the taxpayers at this county are entitled to.

I think that it's also important because over the years, I've had the opportunity in representing the Taxpayers Association to go from Santa Maria to Carpinteria, from Los Alamos to Guadalupe educating people on the economic impacts of the tribal operations. We did this 10 years ago with respect to the casino itself. It's a major big bang economic impact. It is generating $300-350 million dollars of annual economic impact. The multipliers, the direct, the indirect, the induced Is a tremendous Niagara Falls of additional revenue above and beyond what they're paying directly. The jobs, the payroll. We did the same thing for the Camp 4 project a few years ago. We went from Carpinteria to Santa Maria all over the county. We showed people the jobs, economic value of these projects and I can tell you unequivocally From one end of the county to the other, nothing but enthusiasm in the body politic for what the tribe wants to do.

There's no animosity county-wide. I understand there is some in the neighborhood. That's always to be expected. But I think this process has been very productive. It's been, in my view, very transparent and inclusive. And perhaps maybe a little exhaustive, which is often the way we do things in Santa Barbara County. But I think at the end of the day it's going to be proven that it was the right process and the results I think will be something that everybody can be proud of. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:06:03

Willie Wyatt to be followed by Bill Crouch and then Richard Klein.

CommentWillie WyattProposedself-stated3:06:12

Madam Chair members of the board Good afternoon, my name is Willie Wyatt and I'm the Tribal Administrator for the San Diego Band of Chumash Indians. I grew up on the reservation and have served my tribe as a tribal administrator for 10 years. In my role as the TA, I am acutely aware of the many services our tribe provides to the community and the local community as well.

One example is our Chumash Fire Department. We established it in 2006. Our highly trained firefighters are devoted to fire prevention, emergency medical care and disaster preparedness services for the St. Ines Reservation. It's also a resource for the greater community. Our Chumash Fire Department cooperates with other local fire departments and federal agencies to combat fires and protect people and property.

We currently employ 12 firefighters in our department, which includes four tribal descendants. Our Chumash Fire Department's firefighters often are the first responders to wildfires on federal land through an arrangement with the US Forest Service. Over the past 10 years, the department has probably fought more than 500 fires in about 50 a year. Our firefighters have traveled as far as Nebraska to fight wildland firefighters. They've been to Montana, Idaho, Arizona-New Mexico, Oregon and Washington.

With funding by the Santa Ynez Banda Chumash Indians, the Fire Department has a goal of protecting the reservation and continuing to be a public safety resource for residents of Santa Barbara County and beyond. Thank you Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors for recognizing that our tribe does a lot of good in this community and for taking that into consideration in terms of this agreement.

I support this agreement and hope you will too. Thank You.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:07:52

Bill Crouch be followed by Richard Klein and then Linda Lee Baumgartner

CommentBill CrouchProposedself-stated3:07:57

Well we've gone from morning to afternoon so good afternoon. I'm Bill Crouch, Chair of the San Ynez Valley Coalition which represents thousands of residents in the San Ynez Valley and Santa Barbara County. We support the tribe being able to meet its housing and community facility needs in a manner that respects our community plan and county land use regulations. Obviously the agreement you are considering fails to meet this goal I commend you for taking the time to take the testimony from us, especially when it appears the majority of you have already reached a conclusion to approve.

Assuming I am correct, I would like to ask you to reconsider that decision for the following reasons. The lawsuit you filed on January 29th 2017 challenges the illegal approval of the Fee-to-Trust Decision on the last day of the Obama Administration, January 19th. There is a high probability this challenge will be successful, and if so the resulting decision would most likely be far better than the agreement you are considering to approve today.

Secondly Congress should not be dictating land use matters in Santa Barbara County that's the responsibility of the Planning Commission and the Board of Supervisors. Three our previous elected official of the House of Representatives who spoke earlier Objected to the congressional action and the proposed legislation for a fee of trust was stalled as a result in the last session of Congress. Number four, the agreement you are considering expires in 23 years and the tribe will have no restrictions so your effort for control is admirable but it's only temporary.

What is the legacy you want to leave for your constituents? Is it supporting a congressional bill that will legalize the illegal actions of the BIA and the Chumash for approval of the Feeder Trust, or will you stand for the citizens of Santa Barbara County and prevent unregulated development. The Chumash are very successful wealthy tribe with at least 22 properties and 2,000 acres of land in the San Ynez Valley The BIA does not impose any limit on the amount of land a tribe can convert from fee to trust. By supporting the tribe with this agreement, you encourage further acquisition for fee to trust and the resulting loss of property tax revenues.

What should you do? Do not approve this agreement, number one. Number two, demand that Salud Carbohol object to the House bill that would approve the fee-to-trust which would legalize the illegal actions by the BIA and the Chumash. Number three, continue with your lawsuit. Number four, work with other counties, states, BIA and Congress to change the fee-to trust regulations so that wealthy casino tribes cannot take advantage of the fee-to-trust process.

By approving this agreement you encourage the tribe to request more fee-to-trust transactions and you will have no control. The next Chumash development could be a high rise condo in Montecito or on the Gaviota Coast is that the legacy you want to leave for your constituents? Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:11:03

Richard Klein followed by Linda Lee Blomgartner and then Leslie Mosteller

3:11 – 3:187 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:11:11

Madam Chairman, Linda Lee Baumgartner had to leave and she was going to take a minute-and-a-half to complete the remarks that I have. That will take a total of four and a half minutes. I ask would you consider allowing me that extra 90 seconds? If not, I'll try and talk very rapidly

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.793:11:27

Speak as rapidly as you can please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:11:30

Let's be clear what we're dealing with today is a land use issue. As neighbors were proud of the success that you must have achieved and particularly of their success with Hotel Cork, Hadson House and other properties all achieved without being under fee to trust and all developed under the same rules controls regulations and fees as the rest your neighbors The agreement under consideration today is one that's deeply troubling. Despite the multiple representations by the county that the county would provide specific answers to questions raised during the past three weeks, by dozens of local residents and landowners, the county has not adequately responded. The purported answers are simply weak justifications of what the county and Chumash agreed to in secret negotiations.

Not one word of the proposed agreement has changed from what was agreed to behind closed doors. The three community meetings presented for input were nothing more than a sham. What's proposed today is worse than no agreement because it does not provide any significant benefit or certainty to the community. The proposed agreement is seriously flawed. The issues are many, here but a few. Why is there no setback provided along Baseline, Armor Ranch Road and Linda Vista and no height restriction on the buildings? A clear example of the county's failure to protect the adjacent communities from excessive noise, development and traffic. Supervisor Wolf you've long been an ardent environmentalist how can you in good conscience now vote for the same agreement that's contrary to what the county asserted in federal litigation filed nine months ago which fails to address other potentially disastrous outcomes?

The county's own lawsuit finally stated the proper environmental review wasn't done Voting for this agreement is simply against everything you've supposedly stood for four years. Supervisor Adam, you've long been a vigorous and convincing advocate for fiscal responsibility. How can you vote for an agreement that provides for the payment to the county of the relatively paltry sum of $178,500 per year?

If what is proposed was developed by anyone else, the annual taxes and fees would be multi-millions paid to the county. And the agreement puts all county taxpayers on the hook to pay for public safety and other costs as a result of this proposed development. As a fiscal watchdog isn't voting for this an abandonment of your principles? As supervisors, all of you have agonized for years on a winery ordinance that would manage the impasse expanded traffic and public services on our community. How can you now make an about face from that concern and approve a development which will have a 12,500 square foot facility on 30 acres with 250 parking spaces and 100 events per year?

That means almost two mega events per week, each with as many as 800 event attendees plus a likely 415 new residents in the development. Good God! The traffic impact alone will be devastating to the community and almost certainly destroy the ability of bicycles, joggers and farm equipment to safely use area roads. Supervisors Williams and Lavangino, you should be recusing yourself from this vote. The $172,500 that Supervisor Williams has taken from tribal interests and especially the $51,000 directly from the Chumash tribe is clearly a conflict of interest. Supervisor Lavangino, the $22,000 you've received from the tribe clearly puts you in the same conflicted status. Refusing to recuse yourself simply confirms what money will buy. Supervisor Hartman, I believe your heart is in the right place.

However, in supporting this bill your head is not. This is clearly not what your constituents want. The proposed agreement was a complete capitulation to the tribe and put together with a gun-to-our-head mentality. That's anything but a negotiation. You are totally abdicating future land use development and control for an area larger than the city of Solvang and the town of San Ynez to this small special interest group. On this Halloween day, that's a frightening and tragic

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.793:15:35

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:15:37

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:15:39

Richard Klein? Is Richard here? Sorry, Leslie Mosteller then Kim Switzer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:15:51

In the late 1880s Theodore Roosevelt found himself in an occasion very much like this one. The Republican National Convention attempted to ignore its duty to represent its delegates. The RNC attempted to behave in an increasingly imperial manner as though the process and the due diligence were no longer a concern to them They operated in a pay-to-play environment, very much like we have today.

Today's Board of Supervisors risks frivolous disregard for both the concerns and preferences of its constituents and disregard for their own fiduciary duty. I quote the great Theodore Roosevelt in telling you clearly today that I hold it to be derogatory to our humor, to our capacity for self-government to say we must accept an MOA that does irreversible harm to this county and that our hands are tied.

You my elected officials have lied to us. With pressure of a finely crafted propaganda campaign pressuring you with HR 1491. You even contradict your own written record. You have reversed your opinion and agreed to a substandard environmental review that you have repeatedly criticized in the past, and now you attempt to a unilateral override of a local land use plan beyond your authority to do so.

Something of this magnitude impermanence must go back to the individual constituents, your individual constituents for a public vote. Let's get this backroom deal out into the light of day and into the hands of the very citizens who must live forever with this decision. You have failed to answer public questions and concerns, you have failed to explain the financial fallout, you have failed to represent the constituents' views consistently.

Let the county record reflect community recognition of your unwillingness to fulfill your fiduciary duties to this county. Let the county record reflect the public disapproval for the environmental sellout you conspire to. And moreover, let the county record reflect a call for a significantly revised MOA with specific details properly addressed and for a public vote on that MOA.

We deserve a universal enforceable agreement that respects local land use planning You are better than what you're doing here today. Do not sell out this county, it's irreversible harm.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:18:44

Our next speaker is Kim Switzer to be followed by Kathleen Marshall and then Veronica Sandoval.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:18:58

Good afternoon. Thank you for having us and listening to our side of the story. I am new to the valley in the last two and a half years, so a lot of this is new to me when I moved and bought our property in this county it was because of the way that the county has, the way the San Ynez Valley lives and the ruralness of the county. To me this is being affected and I think we're confusing effort with results here The I don't think there's a question as to the amount of effort that's gone into this agreement. I just think the results are what should be in question it's not specific enough we've heard all from the people before me and I would I would just caution you that the specifics of the EA the Fonzie all those things are not really being addressed.

I've written three letters to the board. I've gotten a form letter back but it did not address One thing that I had asked about so. I think that there's more work that needs to be done frankly the valley is a rural agricultural land use issue that people that have moved here from certainly my case from Orange County Los Angeles we moved here because of the rural nature of this in the land open land I think this is a developmental issue.

If if somebody was coming before you today to develop a housing track of 143 homes with a clubhouse that we'll call a tribal center you would do this completely differently they would have to go through much more of the process and I think that needs to be done. I don't want to repeat so many things that have already been said, but I do think that the people that live next to this development are going to be highly impacted.

I happen to live in the development that is next to the Camp 4 development. Not sure that I would've bought under those circumstances had I known it was going to be much more density in this area. The board seems to have acted in fear of the bill of the House. Representatives at the tribe and its allies in Congress are using to pressure you to accept a bad deal when, in fact, this bill may or may not ever get passed even if it occurs. It must then be approved by the Senate than the president all of which is hardly a foregone conclusion You're about to commit your constituents to a bad agreement quickly jammed down the throats of community despite the community strong opposition what you're about to do.

You are pushing to a flawed contract that will have devastating environmental and physical excuse me impacts on a county facing financial hardships This proposed agreement is counter to the best interest of the Santa Ynez Valley and with the exception of a small special interest group, it's counter to the best interests of all of Santa Barbara County voters.

Please reject this bill. We can and will then come together to craft a plan which will give the Chumash, the tribal center, and the 43 homes they seek in a manner which benefits both the tribe and the entire community. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:22:23

Kathleen Marshall is our next speaker to be followed by Veronica Sandoval and then Rebecca August.

CommentKathleen MarshallProposedself-stated3:22:32

Good afternoon to you all. My name is Kathleen Marshall and I'm a member of the San Ynez Band of Chumash Indians. I grew up on the reservation and had the benefit of living amongst our people. When I look back on my youth, I am grateful for the opportunity to be immersed in our culture and learn valuable lessons from the elders who surrounded me. Those important years shaped me into who I am today, but I couldn't offer the same experience to my children because of the lack of housing on our reservation.

I'm an advocate for our culture. I take pride in teaching our Somali Chumash language to the next generation of our tribe including my own children. They are learning about our culture and our language but in a much different way than I did due to the lack of space. I strongly believe that for there to be growth in our tribe, it is important for our people to live in the same community just as our ancestors did for thousands of years. This Camp 4 land provides the opportunity for us to have our homes and cultural center and a place where our children can flourish within our tribe and on our tribal land.

With that said, I believe in the importance of being a good neighbor and being an active member in the greater community. I have sat on two school boards and served as vice president on Santa Barbara County Fair Board. I've taught my children the importance of volunteering and educating the people that surround us about our culture and the challenges we have faced.

It discourages me to hear some of the negative comments that are made about our tribe during these public meetings. However, I do keep in mind as should you that these voices that oppose the tribe are not the voices of the entire San Andes Valley. As a member of this community, I can tell you that the San Andes Valley is just important to me and my family it is to others who have come to call it home. I care about this land and the people who are lucky to live on it.

I support this community and I support the agreement between the county and the tribe. Thank you.

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CommentVeronica SandovalProposedself-stated3:24:39

Good afternoon Chair Hartman, other members of the board. My name is Veronica Sandoval and I am the administrator for the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians Foundation. I'd like to discuss two main points that illustrate just how the tribe is a strong and active member of this community. First is our foundation. Our spirit of giving as a concept that has been passed down from generation to generation there's a time when tribal members relied on the support from local nonprofits And now it is our turn to provide support to nonprofits as they care for those in the community that need it most.

Our foundation processes hundreds of grant requests each year and over the years we have donated more than 20 million dollars to nonprofit organizations in Santa Barbara County Not only does our tribe donate millions of dollars to local nonprofit organizations, but we are good neighbors by volunteering. We have a volunteer program called Team Shumash where our employees and tribal members volunteer at various organizations including the Good Samaritan Homeless Shelter in Santa Maria, Solving Senior Center, Special Olympics and by packing care packs for kids in foster care just to name a few.

The last thing I want to touch on is the tribe's educational investments and their impacts. The Tribe's Education Department employs 35 Santa Barbara County residents, this includes 5 full-time staff members, 3 part time staff members and 27 independent contractors that consist of credentialed teachers who tutor tribal community members. Several of these tutors are retired and this income provides a vital resource for seniors in Santa Barbara County.

The tribe funds academic support services at school sites and on the reservation, athletic programs, creative arts programs, cultural education programs, college visits, behavioral health and substance abuse prevention programs for the more than 150 tribal students and their families in Santa Barbara County. This decreases the economic burden to local schools, nonprofit service providers and healthcare providers.

The tribe's investment in academic support services has resulted in a 100% high school graduation rate which exceeds the California state rate of 84%. High school dropouts cost local and state governments more in social services expenditures. In addition, the number of college graduates that are supported by the tribe services have tripled in the past eight years.

We donate time we donate money. We educate our youth and we care about our community. The agreement with the county is one more way that we exhibit our willingness to be good neighbors. Thank you for your time today and for your vote of approval.

PresenterRebecca AugustSan Ynez Valley Community Action Alliance which is a social and environmental juProposedself-stated3:27:41

Thank you for holding this hearing and giving everyone an opportunity to speak. My name is Rebecca August, I represent the San Ynez Valley Community Action Alliance which is a social and environmental justice organization in the San Ynez Valley with over 300 members. I live in the San Ynez Valley raise my kids there have been resident for 20 years. Some of our members are very upset about the casino.

Some are thrilled that the Chumash have recovered some of their ancestral lands so near to one of their historic villages in which to build their new home. We realize that this issue is beyond these apparent and unfortunate polarity of these views. This MOU provides the tribe with its stated need for housing, which we strongly support and ratifies their claim that development will not be incruigious with the character of the valley. Without this agreement, the county will have no say in development of Camp 4. We believe that this agreement is a good effort on both sides To build a much needed trust and to move beyond the strife and disagreement which has been sometimes used to further political agendas that have nothing to do with Camp 4.

And the health of the valley. This agreement is a compromise in which everyone has had to give something up we support this agreement between the county and the sending his valley band of Chumash Indians and we hope that the board votes to approve it this agreement is in the best interest of our community as a whole and we think the county especially supervisor Hartman Williams and the tribe for working so hard towards achieving it thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:29:17

Karen Kuyper Is Karen here? There we go. And to be followed by Dick Walden and then Nan Walden.

CommentKaren KuyperProposedself-stated3:29:35

Hello, my name is Karen Kuyper and I always believed in the law. And the law is the plan that the valley has, the community plan and changing that, that's a dangerous place and if you do that then Maya Müller-Schulze next door they want it too. They don't want to grow cauliflower anymore They want to have a granny house on the place and in my neighborhood where I live we have people who do illegal building because they don't get a permit. So they have been asking for permits for a long time.

And I also want to say that why do the Chumash want to be different, a different entity? I'm a proud American. I'm glad to be an American. Don't they want to be American? Why do they want to be different? The only place that I know of anyway where they have a different community within a community is the Pope Are they comparing themselves with the Pope? Even Queen Elizabeth doesn't have the right to be different. So, and I would say if you start this little what I call gerrymandering, you start you give in for one thing then you give in for the other thing before you know the whole enchilada is in fee into trust and then hallelujah They can work on our government because they are different. They are a different entity and so that is a very dangerous move and I want to tell you one thing, I have been all over Europe and as far as I know there's not one country That goes for something like this.

A friend of mine who came from Prussia and Prussia used to be, after the war it was Poland and now Mr Putin owns it so her brother went over there and he said please let me have our land back and I'm going to become a Russian for that and you know what the mayor say to him? He said Kids go home if you know what's good for you. And if we didn't know what's good for him that would be.

Something like that. That's what other countries do, I'm not saying we should murder people but you have to be within reason and be a little bit not penny wise and pound foolish so that's all I have to say. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:32:23

Nan Walden to be followed by Richard Lehman and then Nakia Zavala

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:32:35

Honorable Supervisors, Chairman Kahn, Tribal Members. The Tribe signed the Valley Blueprint which was the foundation for the Community Plan. The goals of the Tribe for housing in a cultural center can be achieved within the Community Plan and without a fee to trust action and this one-sided contract. This agreement, unfortunately, achieves none of the five goals Chairman Hartman referred to except the goal of absolute sovereignty for the tribe.

To the fiscal and environmental detriment of everyone else who resides and does business in the valley and in the countywide. Except for 136 members of the tribe. As an environmental attorney with more than 30 years experience including drafting legislation on behalf of Native Americans, I believe that this agreement and the H.R. 1491 are unconstitutional and evade all significant environmental land use and water conservation practices.

I believe that Supervisor Wolf was exactly right when she said that these terms were vague, questionably unenforceable. And I have to say that the Chumash position is that the land of Camp 4 is already in trust therefore none of these mitigation measures apply in reality. It will be the Chumash who decide if they're in compliance with environmental laws and water restrictions, not the EPA or other regulatory bodies and not the supervisors certainly.

I also agree with Supervisor Wolf that writing a letter that commits the supervisors in advance not to support any amendments to HR 1491, not only obviates The Supervisors' First Amendment rights to speak and tell their congressional representatives the truth, but the citizens who may actually have a constructive amendment to offer to that legislation that would be better for all concerned.

So that is unprecedented as far as I am concerned. The supervisors have also agreed to dismiss the pending lawsuit before the federal legislation passes. To me, that is unilateral disarmament. In the blink of an eye, the county now completely reverses itself on all the valid points so vehemently made in its lawsuit. It also prohibits third-party beneficiaries from enforcing the agreement. In lay terms this means if the county does not enforce the agreement, the public is prevented from doing so. That seems very unconstitutional.

The sad fact is that if the tribe agreed to abide by the county plan it's signed, the county blueprint it's signed. The community would welcome this project. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:35:37

Richard Layman? Is Richard here? Then we are going to go on to Nikia Zavala and then hear from Teresa Satt.

CommentNakia ZavalaProposedself-stated3:35:55

Good afternoon. My name is Nakia Zavala, I'm the cultural director and a California state credentialed language and culture teacher for my tribe the Sandinas Band of Chumash Indians. I am here to talk to you today about our tribes ties to Camp 4 and its cultural significance to the tribal housing initiative. Building homes in a cultural center on Camp 4 allows our people to strengthen their bond with their ancestral land. We currently incorporate trips to Camp 4 into our cultural lessons for our youth and our ceremonies involving our elders in order to help restore that connection with the land.

For example, every summer our children participate in Camp Kalawishok which gives our tribal youth an opportunity to learn about our culture. They learn about our Samoan language, our ceremonies and our traditional values. One of the more gratifying events is during Camp K. This is when we take the children out to Camp 4. They get to stand on the same land where our ancestors walked. They learn about the importance of the land and our plans for the future.

In addition, our annual Winter Solstice celebration revolves around Camp 4. It's the shortest day of the year but it's also the most significant day with our Chumash ritual calendar. We hold sacred ceremony on Camp K. We then hike up to Owatoponish, which is now known as Grass Mountain. We hold a sacred ceremony. We take up our burial poles up to the mountain for winter solstice and we place them up on our sacred mountain.

These ceremonies and visits connect us briefly to the land however they're only visits with tribal housing on Camp 4 we will finally be able to foster that deep connection to the land which is so important I want to say, thank you for the work that you've done with our tribe to reach this agreement. We're looking forward to the day when we can begin living on our ancestral land. Thank you again.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:37:51

To be followed by Michael Lopez and then Tony Skinner

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CommentTeresa SattProposedself-stated3:38:01

Hello my name is Teresa Satt and I'm a tribal descendant and I work for the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians Foundation. Our Camp 4 project addresses one of the most important issues we face as a tribe, housing. I want to share personal perspective with you. I was raised on the reservation and have seen the progress our tribe has made in so many areas. A great tribal health clinic, a fantastic education department and in time the building of our Chumash Museum.

There are so many positive outcomes that point to the progress of our tribe, but one area where we are lacking is housing. I grew up in my grandmother's house on the reservation. It was a small house that she obtained as part of the Housing and Urban Development Indian Housing Program back in the 70s. I lived in that house with my grandmother, my mother, my sisters, my aunts and numerous cousins.

As she could, my grandmother remodeled her house and added bedrooms. There was a time when ten of us were living under one roof, one small roof. That's the situation we still have on our reservation. Multiple generations of families living in a small house. We can't expand and build more homes on our reservation because we have simply run out of room. I look forward to the day when my grandmother has a house that she can call home on Camp 4.

Thank you for your time in developing this agreement and for recognizing the need for tribal housing on tribal land.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:39:27

Michael Lopez to be followed by Tony Skinner then Martin Rodriguez.

CommentMichael LopezProposedself-stated3:39:36

Good afternoon, my name is Michael Lopez. I'm the business manager of Plumbers and Pipefitters. See, I can't even get through that. Pipefitters Local 114. I giggled because I'm a 17th generation Santa Barbarian. Unfortunately it's coastal band. I just missed it by that much! We've talked about some very interesting things here. Our heritage and the changes that are going to happen in the valley I challenge my neighbors, I happen to be a resident of Solvang and I challenge my neighbors who own these magnificent ranches and these very efficient farms and wineries. I'm wondering when they consider the impact that their businesses and their homes made did they ask the people who actually lived there first? I don't think so.

My family goes back to 1792, the second blacksmith that settled with the Presidio in Santa Barbara married a girl, a native girl who was Chumash. Nobody asked them I don't see it in any of the records where anybody checked with the indigenous people that hey is it cool that we do this here? It didn't happen. Add 400 years to that and now you have a group of people that are doing nothing but positive stuff to the community. Good Lord, I should be building other things other than good fences.

Of course it's not that way. I giggle when we're still trying to blame the Chumash for our fiscal shortages. Folks, keep that energy up and blame it in that direction not this direction. If we have county shortages financial that's where the blame lies. These people indigenously instinctively responsibly do the right thing without any instructions from us. In every project they've had, they've reached out to ensure that local people were going to be hired for their projects. That they would support apprenticeship programs. That they would ensure that kids from the local area would have an opportunity to develop skills that would feed them and their families for their entire life. And by God, they could afford to live in this community.

I giggle when we talk about the autonomy of these people. I think we had a lovely young lady, they think they're the Pope? These people were here before there was a pope. Wake up and let's understand that this is their land. It's not ours. We're the invaders. We're the visitors and they're still doing the right thing any way you slice it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:42:19

Tony Skinner to be followed by Martin Rodriguez and then the Honorable Leo Elevitz, former Bulton City Council member.

GuestTony Skinner I'mTreasurerProposedself-stated3:42:28

Yeah good afternoon my name is Tony Skinner I'm the executive secretary treasurer for the Tri-County Building Construction Trades Council. I represent thousands of union construction members living in Ventura Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties. I'm here in favor this memorandum but I really want to talk about the relationship between the trades and the Chumash.

I was a Ventura County rep for the building trades from July of 2005 to September of 2014 when I was elected to take over the other two counties as well as Ventura. I'd always heard that the Chumash had always been a great partner, but I was soon to find out for myself. When the Chumash wanted to do their expansion a few years ago, I was contacted by Vince He told me that it was their intention to use the local building trades, men and women, to build the project.

We've heard this before. I asked him if he was open to a project labor agreement and he said he didn't think there was a need for one, that we've done it before. I checked with my guys they said yes so shortly thereafter we put together an announcement regarding their decision to use local union help to build the project. He brought me in to help get subcontractors to bid the job. The job was done with nothing but local union labor this was a great experience for the trades and I look forward to working with the Chumash in the future thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:43:52

Martin Rodriguez, followed by Leo Elevitz and then Joni Jamieson from the Solving City Council.

CommentMartin RodriguezProposedself-stated3:44:01

Good afternoon Chairman Hartman and Board of Supervisors. I'm Martin Rodriguez, business agent for Iroquois Local 4033 as well as President Tri-County Building Construction Trades. We're here today to speak in support of this MOA and on honor and integrity that Chumash have always injected into this community Fabric their sense of community and goodwill is an integral part of the Santa Barbara County.

And surrounding areas, the support and loyalty they give to the building tradesman local building tradesman I might add in the area's unmatched and could be emulated by many more organizations in the area we are very grateful to have them as partners in all of their endeavors and saying that the workers fully support The MOA with the county of Santa Barbara and the Santa Ynez Chumash. It is important to note we have a sovereign nation willing to work with Santa Barbara County in both their visions for the Santa Ynez Valley.

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:45:09

Leo Elevens, to be followed by Joni Jameson and then the Honorable Hans Deuss former Solvang City Council member.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed3:45:19

Madam Chair, Supervisors When the Regional Director of the Bureau of Indian Affairs placed Camp 4 in Defia, And to federal trust the county responded responsibly and appropriately by filing lawsuit. Feed a trust would nullify the county's right to determine land use and to collect taxes on that parcel any other city or county would have been obligated to do the same thing in order to protect its land use authority and its sources of tax revenue Now turn to 2017.

In January of 2017 at the close the Obama administration, the acting Secretary of the Interior reaffirmed the BIA's decision to pull Camp 4 into federal trust and off the county payroll. The county and other third parties continue to appeal this decision And in July, a federal court upheld the then acting Secretary of Interior's right to reaffirm the BIA decision. And on July 14th, the Acting Assistant Director of the BIA dismissed the appeals challenging the fee-to-trust decision.

In addition to these legal actions, H.R. 1491 which has been discussed was introduced into Congress as a reaffirmation of the Secretary of Interior's decision to take Camp 4 into trust and that resolution was unanimously approved by the Congressional Committee on Natural Resources and is awaiting vote Legally, 2017 has been a year of consolidation of Camp 4 Feed to Trust under federal authority.

Starting with the acting Secretary of Interior under the ending Obama administration, And federal court continuing to confirm the secretary's authority and the following BIA dismissal of appeals as well as unanimous passage of HR 1491 out of subcommittee. The county's time to arrive at a solution in partnership with the Chumash tribe was running out of time, as well as any meaningful challenge to the fee of trust for Camp Ford.

Looks like I'm running out of time. What I find impressive in the midst of what would appear to be a rapid decline in the county's legal position and the previous year of stalled negotiations, a new county subcommittee and a new tribal chairman and their staffs started in new discussions in February and were able to break new ground and together negotiate a proposed mutually beneficial agreement to both parties.

Considering all this- you have And I think the terms of agreement aptly. And more importantly you go back to continued climate of adversity and distrust by scaling the potential for a future of mutual respect and cooperation with the sovereign Chumash nation. Thank you.

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CommentJoni JamiesonProposedself-stated3:49:32

I just have one request, I think we need a little step stool for those of us who are very short. Put that in your budget next year please. My name is Joni Jamieson and I've been a member of the Salt Lake City Council for seven years And I have also served on the Indian gaming local benefit committee and recently was appointed on the ad hoc committee of our council for tribal relations.

Everything I wanted to say that was positive about the tribe has already been said and in a much more elegant manner than I could but I do want to point a couple of things out The tribe is a good group of people to work with. They have outstanding businesses in our community, Hotel Cork, Route 246 and Hadston House. They bring in TOTs, T-Bids and sales tax to us and we appreciate it.

That is our source of income, tourism. My children grew up with some of these people sitting right here Or their children some of the people that are sitting here they played football they played sports together. They are fine people give them a chance to prove that what they say is what they're going to do. I support their efforts on camp for I look forward to visiting their museum that's going to be built across from the casino that is going to be a great educational Area for our children to learn more about the tribe plus the people that come and visit our community.

I commend you for your hard work Chairman Hartman and Doss Williams and Peter Adam and Doreen Farr in the past, I went to probably 90% of those meetings. I have a stack of papers like this with all the maps all the comments I wish you well. I hope you make the right decision. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:51:35

Our next speaker is Hans Deuss to be followed by Steve Pepe, to be followed by the Honorable Gail Marshall former 3rd District Supervisor.

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CommentHans DeussProposedself-stated3:51:54

Thank you very much Madam Chair, Supervisors I'm Hans Deuss, former Solvang City Council member, resident now of Santa Maria. But Solvang and the Santa Anas Valley is still my home. There's been a lot of really good things said that I'm really not going to repeat. To me this is very simple. You can have conversation with the tribe If you choose or not, Camp 4 is going to happen whether you have input or not.

I would suggest having conversation. It really works. I was down here four years ago having this same conversation And I came home with an idea. And together with my colleague Joni Jameson, we've got a relationship, Solvang has a relationship with the tribe and we're getting the fire engine out of the deal. It's about trust It really is. And that takes a lot of years.

That goes way back to when we were kids or when I watched some of these young men here growing up. I knew their dads, now I know them and it's um... We work together well but it's about trust. It's about communication. We hear about the Character of the Valley changing. Yeah, it changed. It has been constantly changing probably the most dramatic change was September 17th 1804 when Mission San Ynez was founded.

This changed millenniums of tribal life We're only 214 years after that. So please continue the conversation, enter into this agreement. It's not perfect what agreements are perfect but as long as you have conversation you can keep refining it. You can keep moving on And every good buddy is going to be a winner. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:54:56

Steve Pepe followed by Gail Marshall and Mark Preston

PresenterSteve PepeEcon Alliance and our mission is to promote encourage and sustain North County eProposedself-stated3:55:10

Good afternoon Madam Chair, Supervisors. I'm Steve Pepe the president of Econ Alliance and our mission is to promote encourage and sustain North County economic development. The Chumash have been a very valued partner in that effort they're the largest employer in the north county they provide thousands of high-paying jobs with excellent benefits and these have caused other employers to raise their wages and and benefits to be competitive. There's been a lot of discussion about the lost taxes from Camp 4, and there's no question that that is going to occur but last year the PCEC proposed drilling additional wells on 100-year old 10,000 acre state certified oil field which would have increased property taxes by four million dollars.

That project was denied and those tax revenues were lost This year, the county told 535 citizens it didn't want their 1.6 million in STR taxes and the county is also going to spend tens of thousands if not more money to hire internet police to go around and make sure there are no STRs and letting people pay taxes. A couple of years ago UC Santa Barbara bought two apartments in Isla Vista They were taken off the tax, the county tax rolls because the UC system is a state created sovereign entity. They pay no local taxes.

Also all the development in those apartments is decided by the UC architect not the county because again they're a sovereign entity. There were no objections, no letters to the editor, no special meetings of the Board of Supervisors to protest lost taxes and loss of local control over those apartment buildings. Similarly, Vandenberg on base property which is located across Highway 1 from the base is installing a gigantic solar farm. There are multi-story transmission lines, multi-story transformers and they go on for at least half a mile. The reason you can't see them is because there's about a 75 foot patch of eucalyptus trees. Once the solar As soon as the solar farm is complete, the eucalyptus trees are going to be cut down. So those of us in our area are going to have 75 feet between the solar farm whereas the agreement that's been negotiated has 985 feet off Highway 154.

Again, the county wasn't involved in what the base is doing because again, the base is a sovereign entity created by the federal government. To justify the disparate treatment of UC Santa Barbara and Vandenberg, some argue that they are different than the Chumash because they are for the quote public good. The reservation system was created in the mid 1800s as federal policy to settle the various wars fought with the various Indian tribes.

Reservations were created as sovereign entities to entice the Indians to abandon their nomadic Hunter gatherer existence and give up millions of acres of their land to sell it on reservation land and become farmers. We all know the sorry history of how our government repeatedly reneged on its promised aid and refused to protect the sanctity of Indian reservations.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.793:58:33

And that is your time. Can you?

PresenterSteve PepeEcon Alliance and our mission is to promote encourage and sustain North County eProposedself-stated3:58:34

Okay, thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.793:58:35

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:58:36

Our next speaker is Gail Marshall will be followed by Mark Preston and then Lansing Duncan.

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CommentGail MarshallProposedself-stated3:58:48

Good afternoon board, thank you for the opportunity to speak. I am Gail Marshall and I'm here to support approving the agreement between the County of Santa Barbara and the Chumash tribe. As some may know, I was on the Board of Supervisors from 1996 to 2004. During that time there were many discussions with the tribe about the vast expansion of gaming and its impacts on the Sanis Valley.

Camp 4 is not the first property the county tried to maintain control over. During my term despite counties efforts to maintain jurisdiction and land use controls the tribe was able to move other properties or made efforts to move other properties into trust. The agreement on the table today is not perfect, but it's a chance. Our only chance to retain any say and control at all over the Camp 4 property.

It gives county enforceable conditions that we would lose if there was no agreement and the tribe successfully annexes Camp 4 into the reservation. We gain limits on the kind and intensity of development on 1,400 acres including no gaming and no commercial development. We gained significant setbacks from Highway 154 and view protection. We gained more than 1,200 acres kept in open space in agriculture.

We gain funding to the county for 20 years to mitigate impacts. We gain limits on Camp 4 water usage. We gain avoidance of spending more taxpayer funds on losing battles in court and administrative agencies, and we gained the possibility of continued dialogue with a tribe. None of these benefits would be possible without this agreement. Land use has always been the defining issue for any supervisor representing the San Jose Valley, so it's difficult for me to accept any reduction in the county's jurisdiction and controls for growth and development. Like many I regret but must accept the cold hard truth that the tribe has been moving forward with its own plan and that plan is supported by federal law. There is no doubt that fee-to-trust reform is needed.

Whether that will ever happen is unknown. What is known, it will not happen in time for this process. It's a very separate process. Supervisor Hartman along with her partner on the ad hoc committee has shown leadership, determination and skill in negotiating this agreement with the tribe. I know that she also puts land use at the top of her agenda. I understand that Supervisor Hartman was under the gun as federal legislation in favor of the tribe is moving forward. One thing is very very clear without an agreement we will have nothing. With this agreement we have something all those critical gains I already mentioned For more than 20 years I have sat in front of or alongside my friends and neighbors with strong feelings on tribal issues. If these were easy issues they would have been resolved long ago.

My hope is that everyone here will truly recognize the long sought gains that will have been achieved for the Santa Ana's Valley as a result of this most difficult negotiation, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:01:53

Mark Preston to be followed by Lansing Duncan to be followed by our final speaker the Honorable Doreen Farr former third district supervisor

CommentMark PrestonProposedself-stated4:02:01

You already took 10 of my seconds here. I have been a strong Madam Chair and board. I'm Mark Preston of Buelton. I've lived in Santa Barbara for 51 years. I spent 10 years off down in Santa Ynez Valley GPAC. I have been writing this issue since 1992. I forgotten more than you've learned that the last two years so it's tough one. So My comments are in two parts.

Part one is this, I have been a strong opponent of the Camp 4 annexation to the Chumas Reservation and as an anthropologist I would beg you not to construe my position as being racist in any way. Indian gaming was passed by California to provide revenue stream to level the playing field for indigenous People's and to assimilate into their culture. That goal has been accomplished beyond expectation any member of the Chumash tribe can buy and sell me three times over that's just a true statement. My concern have always been hegemony and the unfettered political power that derives from money, the tribe owns big chunks of Buellton, big chunks of Solvang Humongous portions of of Santa Ynez. And so I am not comfortable with anybody owning that much of Santa Barbara County, not Google, not the Catholic Church, not IBM, not the Koch brothers, not anybody.

It's kind of a tough thing to deal with. So that's part one. I have been an opponent. Part two. All that said, I do fully support the proposed agreement It's pretty much game over and the litigation has been exhausted. It's time to quit whining and salvage some kind of an understanding of how this all plays out. The public needs to read and understand the agreement and hold Chairman Kahn's feet to the fire metaphorically speaking on every verse and chapter.

To do nothing is unacceptable To negotiate an MOU was the only possible way to mitigate the inevitable impact. We can no more change the outcome of this process for Camp 4 than we can relitigate the results of Game 5 of the World Series that the Dodgers lost. It's just it's done it's over save your angst and venom for Republican Representative LaMalfa and the powers that be.

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:04:35

Lansing Duncan to be followed by Doreen Farr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed4:04:43

Good afternoon supervisors thanks for the opportunity to speak today and as you found I found in San Dines working on the community plan land use them fighting words in San Dines Valley and you've heard a lot from my neighbors who are so concerned with the issues involved in Camp 4. I urge you to approve the Memorandum of Agreement with the San Ynez Band of Chumash Indians regarding Camp 4 negotiated by Supervisors Hartman and Williams.

As a former County Planning Commissioner for the 3rd District, I am acutely aware of issues surrounding the annexation of Camp 4 into the reservation. Whether by the fee-to-trust administrative process or by legislative action. As a former member and chairman of the San Ynez Valley General Plan Advisory Committee that worked on the first draft of the San Ynez Valley Community Plan, I understand how important the future of Camp 4 is to the citizens of our community and you heard that here today.

So I say all this with mixed emotions because for years, I've opposed tribal efforts to annex Camp 4 into the reservation. But given the pending passage of H.R. 1491 without the mitigation and enforcement mechanisms incorporated within the MOA, this agreement represents a far superior achievable outcome for the county. There's a lot of discussion about whether this is compatible with the community plan. Although the community plan discourages the abdication of county jurisdiction over Kemp 4, it implicitly acknowledges that changing circumstances may require the pursuit of legally enforceable agreements that seek to mitigate the county's loss of jurisdiction And that can be seen in action LUG SYV 6.1, that you had on the board. The county shall pursue legally enforceable government to government agreements with entities seeking to obtain jurisdiction over land within the plan area to encourage compatibility with the surrounding area and mitigate environmental and financial impacts to the county.

Well obviously that's what you're doing consistent with the community plan. It's legally enforceable, it encourages development compatible with the surrounding area and it provides for tribal housing which obviously is a critical issue here. It's not perfect but it represents a prudent response by county officials to a very difficult situation where decisions in Washington D.C. may preclude any county control of the future development of Camp 4.

So I have to say that I find it very ironic now that the same attorney who actually tried to shut down the community plan process by threatening to sue individual members of the Genepact is now representing a large landowner, threatening to sue the county claiming that the community plan is inconsistent with what's proposed here today. I want to thank Supervisors Hartman and Williams and their predecessors on the Ad Hoc Subcommittee, Supervisors Farr and Adam. And they should be commended for their persistent efforts to achieve the best possible outcome of these negotiations given the difficult circumstances.

Also it should be noted that the community has to acknowledge the San Ynez Band of Chumash Indians in their willingness to compromise by reaching this milestone agreement with the communities. Thank you for your consideration.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:08:19

Our final speaker is Doreen Farr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:08:30

Welcome back, well here we are again good afternoon I came today to ask you to support this agreement and if I were still a third district supervisor I would support it However this was not an easy decision for me to come to. I have a very long history of opposing PETA trust for Camp 4, seeing it as an inappropriate way for a tribe as wealthy as the Santa Ynez Band to acquire property and avoid the county's regulations.

Personally, I still feel that way. But sometimes you have to put your personal feelings aside to figure out what is the most protective for the county and the local community. And I feel this agreement does that given all of the actions by the federal government which have so curtailed the county's options. I'm particularly pleased that this MOA sets aside so much property for open space in riparian areas, has a generous setback from Highway 154, states no export of water, includes tribal participation in the SGMA process and of course is legally enforceable.

It appears that some community members still believe that this feat of trust can be defeated I used to hope that too, but I don't anymore. Decision makers in Washington D.C. have repeatedly supported this feed of trust and I have no doubt that it will eventually go forward without this MOA if it isn't ratified by both sides now. I also think that some Valley residents believe that the San Ines Community Plan is somehow a sacrosanct document intended to freeze out non-agricultural development in the valley indefinitely.

That's not accurate. Indeed, the Valley Plan has already been chipped away at since 2009 every time a major conditional use permit is approved like for wineries or ag property rezoned like for the Golden Inn and Village. Unfortunately between now and 2040 I would expect this erosion of the Valley's rural appearance to continue in various ways and for various reasons.

The expected shelf life of any community plan is 15-20 years, and what the update of the valley plan might look like in the next 7 or 8 years will not only be guided by what the community wants but by the larger needs of the county at that time for additional revenue and housing. Either one of which could force the board to look at rezoning agricultural parcels.

Looked at from that perspective, knowing for sure what will and won't happen on Camp 4 until 2040 could end up being seen as a real benefit. Having been at the negotiating table for this MOA, I deeply appreciate all the time and effort put into crafting it. And want to sincerely thank the County Supervisors Hartman and Williams, all of our staff and the tribal members, thank you Chairman Kahn in particular that worked on it.

I also want to recognize and thank Supervisor Adam for his work with me on the original ad hoc committee. I know there are many things the county would have liked to include in this MOA that they didn't get. And there are probably many things that the tribe would have liked to see included or maybe not included, but in the end it always comes down to doing the best that you can within the confines of the circumstances you face so I hope that you will adopt all of staff's recommended actions thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:11:51

That concludes public comment

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:11:53

Thank you Mr. Allen and thank you Supervisor Farr. Supervisor Adam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed4:12:00

We're into deliberations now.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:12:03

No we have a couple of things yet. First I'd like to take a 10 minute stretch break, we're not going to break for lunch. We're going to come back and then Chairman Kahn will talk to us and we'll go back to staff to add anything to the public comment and then we'll go into deliberations so ten-minute break we'll start at 20 after sharp

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:18:48

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:26:03

Would everyone please take their seats. We're reconvening the October 31st 2017 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors this special meeting and we have concluded our public comment and we're turning to Chairman Kahn of the Santee Inez Band of Chumash Indians.

CommentKenneth KahnProposedself-stated4:26:34

This is for my language teachers over here. Hello, my name is Kenny. Thank you for having me back up here again and thank you to the community for sharing your concerns on both sides of the issue. You know all we really want is peace in the valley and quality of life and we've worked really hard to try and achieve that with Camp 4. I know we have different perspectives when it comes to what the status of the land is. You know, the tribe says it is in trust. We followed a process gone through appeal with the federal government through a number of monumental dates And, you know today our perspective is the land is in trust. And so for us to come forward it's important as a bridge builder bringing the community together addressing concerns and concerns that not only neighbors of Camp 4 have but concerns that we do within our tribal community.

Neighbors working together as neighbors is what we'd like to achieve here. I apologize to those supervisors who have worked hard to try and bring peace to this situation. For some of those folks that have just come out and really attacked individuals, yes we have participated in a number of campaigns and there are more than two people up here that have been affected by Both negatively and positively.

And so, you know we thank those who we may have been on the other side of issues in the past for at least considering what we have here today. You know a lot of the details in the agreement we've gone over and over but I would just like to reiterate some of the partnerships we have out in the community. Thank you to some of my tribal folks that talked about our Fire Department talked about our education programs, our cultural programs, our health facilities.

You know those are all vital components to a thriving community. Components that not only benefit the Chumash but also benefit you know constituents that are off reservation as well. Those are key talking points and negotiation points that we were able to work through with the ad hoc committee process and so when it comes to the municipal finance those were A vital part of focus in coming to an agreement on that term. You know the land being in trust you know we still have big concerns out there about gaming I keep hearing about gaming on camp for You know the environmental assessment states no gaming is planned.

To take that a step further and which is very important for us to work together on this legislation, is 1491 has a no gaming clause in section 3. This is imperative it's important for the Chumash and the community because there is no gaming in perpetuity. And that's an important component I wanted folks to take home with them. Our partnerships with schools, not only do we have our own education facility that has strong partnerships but we have language programs at some of the schools out in our community that help with early learning I know that some of our language teachers and apprentices that are here today have participated in a number of those programs that schools have adopted.

We've been able to partner through our foundation A lot of people forgot about this, but in the EA and the FONSI back in August of 2014 the tribe signed a resolution, Resolution 949 to support our local schools and considering the revenue that was being shared with those schools through the amount that we paid at that time under Williamson Act. So there's a number of components that we can do to get to the numbers and actually exceed the numbers in fiscal responsibility and partnership with education. So that's our number one priority. Water, we've gone above and beyond to make sure that we have a good partnership We provided the county with an additional letter to provide them reassurances that we will share annual reports.

We also have a resolution 990 to go above and beyond the agreement. This agreement is important because it's something that we have in partnership. But the tribe is a government and I just want to remind everybody that we have the ability to improve upon this within our own laws, within our own resolutions and our own interests of supporting and protecting Camp 4 The quality of life for our people on Camp 4 and the people that live around Camp 4. I've heard about buffer zones, I've heard about setbacks. You know we can continue to work with the county to identify some of those concerns. We want setbacks too! We want the same quality of life that everybody in the San Dines Valley shares. So we have a number of those areas that we will continue to focus on regardless of what happens today.

This agreement was meant as a bridge builder and it was really good to see a couple of organizations today joking around about something that we can actually agree on and were happy because that's what we're trying to achieve, we are trying to achieve collaboration A partnership, an opportunity to be listened to and also to listen. And you know this is historic it's monumental and this is just the beginning of what two governments can achieve when we sit down and have tough conversations so I mean I covered a lot of other things but I think we've really exhausted some of the dialogue up to this agreement but we will continue as good neighbors in the future. So, I do ask for your support And your support to bring certainty to the San Ynez Valley and your support to bringing a close to some of the challenges here with the Camp Fort issue.

I support this agreement, my constituents have voted in favor of this agreement and had given me the authority to sign in partnership with the county so again thank you for your time, your hard work and for opportunity process.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:33:44

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:33:47

Oh Supervisor Wolf. Chairman Kahn I just have two things that I want to ask you. It was one that I touched on with Ms. Nesich in one of her reports it says the tribe reports there is no liquor in existing tribal hall and the same rules will apply to the new facility.

CommentKenneth KahnProposedself-stated4:34:08

Absolutely so the tribe for many years has been very for obvious reasons with the history of alcoholism in Indian country. The tribe has been very well we were just we do not allow alcohol in any tribal government public spaces or in any tribal government buildings

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:34:28

Okay thank you for that and one other question. There's a section in here that refers to HR 1491 and there was a question from a member of the public about why this is in the agreement. Is there any reason why, and of course I haven't talked to my colleagues about this, that it could be set up as a separate agreement or resolution? Or is it something that absolutely has to be in the agreement?

CommentKenneth KahnProposedself-stated4:34:57

So as part of the negotiations and of course you know I have a board of five and then we answer to our general counsel which is our tribal membership. You know that was a term in the agreement that was we were very firm on. And so I mean to reopen that would be an impossible task.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:35:19

Okay fair enough. And just finally my comments to you, I want to thank you for calling me it was either Friday or Saturday asking if I had any questions and I told you I would call you yesterday if I had any questions well obviously I had a lot of questions but I really wanted to go through our staff and also air them publicly but I do want to thank you for Calling me and reaching out. Thank you

CommentKenneth KahnProposedself-stated4:35:46

for that. And any follow ups again I invite you all to come on out see what we have programming wise and see what we're doing out in the community.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:35:57

Thank you.

CommentKenneth KahnProposedself-stated4:35:58

Thank you.

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CommentKelly GrayProposed · by introduction4:36:28

Have notice formal notice of the agreement and then also formally indicate that the tribe had waived its sovereignty in respect to that agreement so that was from the perspective of the ad hoc. And there is an earlier question posed about county support a 1491 and traveling back to Washington That was placed for the reason by the ad hoc to ensure that the county's perspective on this agreement was thoroughly represented back east as well.

There has been a lot of conversation and it was important that we carry, the ad hoc carry or board member carry the actual position of the county back in what this agreement contains. There were a number of questions again proposed or posed about the San Ynez Valley community plan. I believe I did address those in my earlier comments and had them on the screen and the speaker spoke to those as well. We actually referenced these specific components of the plan that contemplates an enforceable agreement. So I won't reread that.

In terms of the questions regarding traffic, air, solid waste we did respond to those questions in our narrative for the bulk of the questions that had specific reference to various mitigations we attempted to the best of our ability to pull out specific reference sections within the EA that spoke to various individuals concerns So as an example folks that had questions about traffic we refer to specific tables within the EA which lists the anticipated level of service following mitigations by the tribe. And I believe I also mentioned some of the cumulative impacts and additional efforts in traffic circulation that are required as part of this agreement already.

I can restate them if needed. The other issue that was mentioned was fiscal and I do understand there's a number of questions about fiscal, the chairman just referenced in a number of speakers reference the type of services the tribe directly provides. That was in fact part of the conversation thinking back to their earlier ad hoc, the initial ad hoc We began with a discussion about a percentage of property tax being paid and I mentioned we had a long discussion about municipal services and the array of services that the county provides to all of its residents.

The tribe also provides some of those perspectives. So the 178.5 as I've mentioned in the past it is a negotiated settlement, did we go back and have a specific formula to reach that? No it was a discussion of some of the puts and takes and that was the negotiated final number for this agreement in order to move forward. The other questions that were posed were the issues about Linda Vista and some of the impacts in that area. And I believe Chairman Kahn mentioned earlier at a public meeting that the exact location of many of the houses that are proposed along that area have not been formally designated and there will be a process to Discuss impacts to those particular areas. Baseline, Linda Vista, Armor Ranch were specifically mentioned by the public and again exact locations of the homes so the exact location of some of the mitigation improvements are not known at this time.

The final thing I'll mention is a number of individuals asked what's changed and since some of these prior actions were taken, and I would just reference back to some of the external items that I mentioned earlier in the agreement. Specifically, the Bureau's decision, the January 19th decision to take the land or affirm that land wasn't to trust And a number of other items such as that, that I referenced under the what impacted the negotiations. So I believe I've answered many of the questions but if I missed anything I'm happy to follow up.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:40:36

Do we have any more questions? All right I think we're ready to start deliberations Supervisor Wolff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:40:46

Thank you Madam Chair. So this as many of you have already stated, for me was a very difficult decision to come to. Mainly because it calls into question many of the values and principles that have guided me through my 11 years as a supervisor. I've always strived for and advocated for good transparent public policy that's been a foundational principle of mine.

And feed a trust by its nature strips away much of the building blocks of transparency in that public process. As a member of the board who was present in 2009 and voted for the long-awaited San Ynez Valley community plan I feel a connection to the decade of dedication, difficulty and deliberations that went into the creation of that plan. Zoning of land is a critical component of the community plan so removing so much acreage designated in the plan as ag and the gateway to the valley is difficult.

Though that action has been taken by the BIA in placing the land into trust. PETA trust undermines the fiscal foundation that our county relies upon to pay for infrastructure and services. When this happens it's inevitable that the general fund revenue produced by other parts of the county Including my district and others steps into backfill services and needs.

In fact the $178,000 does not begin to approach the cost of providing services. And was just stated by Ms. Nisic this is a negotiated amount. So why should I even support this agreement in front of us? Especially given the concerns that I had, I've raised not just today but when I first saw this agreement and met with county council. One of the reasons is that I was not part of the ad hoc.

I was happy to turn over that responsibility to Supervisors Hartman and Williams so while as you heard I have concerns about the contract, I wasn't there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:43:18

I'm sure you don't want to go back in time and switch places.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:43:22

Sometimes I do. But today, I look at the supervisors in this district And in my years being here have I never experienced two previous supervisors coming forward and providing their very well-respected opinions. Supervisors Farr and Marshall who called me in the past, emailed me and of course today made their comments expressing their support. And they know best, along with Supervisor Hartman, the intensity and depth of the efforts to fight or mitigate the fee-to-trust acquisition and development.

Everyone has assured me that they believe acceptance of this agreement will be better for the surrounding community than not accepting it since they are assured that the federal legislation will be passed and there will be no ability for the county to monitor or enforce any of the requirements of the EA. I also believe that at some point after fighting a particular issue or policy there is wisdom in accepting less, perhaps in this case far less than what we would have ideally wanted in order to secure some degree of compensation and oversight and security.

If only for 20 years as in this case. I also look to circumstances in my own district and the fact that our Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan process began 10 years ago. And we are only now, in the next couple of weeks looking at fully certifying the plan via the Coastal Commission action. While there are conditions in that proposal that are not ideal and some may actually oppose it is critical that our community and district achieve some completion and closure on our plan.

And I am looking forward to a resolution at that hearing. So in a sense I empathize greatly with Supervisor Hartman and the many constituents and interest groups who previously and strenuously opposed the fee to trust on Camp 4. And who now recognize that this fight is over, and at this point it is only through mitigation and agreement that any semblance of success can occur.

And in closing one of our earlier speakers said that this is a new season, it's a season of consultation collaboration and compromise. So I thank you for those comments. It's a little bit difficult for me to swallow sometimes I can be a little stubborn and I don't always want to collaborate and compromise And I'm not exactly happy with this but I think this is the right step for us to take.

So for those reasons, I will support what I anticipate will be the motion to approve this agreement. Thank you Madam Chair.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:46:44

Supervisor Adam.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed4:46:50

Well many speakers said the tribe are nice and good people. And I agree. You know, I've never said anything to the contrary but this is a deal that I as a supervisor have to evaluate on its effect on our organization and you know I'm going to state some specific reasons why this deal doesn't work for me. And I appreciated negotiating with you particularly Chairman Kahn and Mr. Lopez like you guys a lot want to work with you in the future we had a chance conversation the other day at the CoLab event at the Chumash Casino And very pleasant and like you said there's many other things outside of this agreement that we'll be able to work on together and I look forward to that.

It sounds to me like this thing is flying by but as usual I take a little contrarian view to everything so don't take it personally. So the term, when we were working on it Doreen and I, that was one of the things that really stuck in my craw that you know this agreement should be for the life of whatever agreement there is with the state of California. You know it was represented at that time that gaming was the The revenue stream that was going to pay for all of this and if there was gaming, you know I felt and I think Doreen felt at that time. If I could put a word in her mouth.

It's nice. Yes I can she is smiling. Okay. I might not be done with that so don't let go. So you know the thing is, I just wanted it to go on as long as there was a deal and as long as there's gaming then I think it's really reasonable that the thing go on instead of just ending abruptly in 2040 and that's it. Service impacts you know I got some quotes here out of specifically page 6 section 3 9 C and I'm not going to bother reading it but you know that the language can be read to mean that the county has a duty to maintain services at contemplated levels of development in exchange for the 178,000 flat payment.

The language below suggests that this is especially true with respect to services needed as a result of the tribe's development. And then there's another quote from Section 7, I'm sorry Page 7 Section 10. You know it's ambiguous as to the commitments that the county is agreeing to and it's ambiguous as to the cost that we're agreeing to. And therefore, it's a blank check and it's bad deal for the county and I can't approve that in clear conscience and I would advise you if you came to me saying what do you think I should do with this? They are not going to tell me how much it's going to cost and they are not going to tell me exactly what I got to do. I would say, well you know that's tough. You shouldn't make a deal like that so that's my objection to that one.

This 178,000 which is a negotiated deal you know when we were talking last time and you know one of the things that the board letter says is that they took off from the new ad hoc committee took off from where the old one left off. And you know I just, I don't know how it went from a conversation of whether you should do something like Buellton or whether it's 38% or 1%, or whatever to a specific number that got negotiated. I mean fantastic negotiating guys but you know I just think it's a bad deal for us and they didn't even put in an inflation component. You know so this thing's going to shrink as we go through the next 22 years until it disappears entirely.

And at the end it should be worth about 90,000 bucks if you have 3 percent inflation over the period. So you know this isn't even your right at one safety FTE to begin with and you know that's it. We've just spent all the money. So and that will be shrinking as time goes on. So we're not going to fix any roads, we're not gonna provide any fire or do anything else.

And we are not even sure what we agreed to here because it has to get fleshed out over time. So what does the county get? A buffer zone along 154 and 178,000 a year. Which isn't even inflation adjusted like I said so it's going to end up at being 90,000 at the end. What does the tribe get? Unlimited services at no additional cost. Great deal for the tribe not a great deal for the county.

And given our Our fiscal situation at the moment, I think it's just irresponsible of us to support such a deal. And you know what we could do at this point in time which we probably won't do is decline the deal and when you guys want services come and contract for them if you want them Maybe, maybe you want to do all your own. It's great but come and contract with us to provide those services at that time.

But we've got to have, that is one of the problems that we have had here for a long time is not getting 100% cost recovery contracts with many of the municipalities And there is so, you know we need to be doing that in the future and not running ourselves out of money by doing things at lower than cost. So maybe You know it sounds tough but I think it's just a legitimate evaluation of this particular agreement and I think we could have done better.

But you know for many reasons I stepped aside and this is the deal, and you know I just can't support it.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.794:54:06

Supervisor Lavenino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.864:54:07

Thank you Madam Chair. Well I want to thank. I did not sit on the ad hoc subcommittee. Thank goodness you got your own. Yes I've had my own but I do want to thank board members Supervisor Farr and Supervisor Adam for all the work that they did and then Supervisor Hartman and Williams for getting us to where we are. And also Congresswoman Lois Capps for stressing that this should be a local decision first I also want to thank the tribal leaders, Chairman Kahn and all the business committee members for continuing negotiations when in my opinion you didn't really have to. I also want to thank our staff, Terry, Rachel and Mr. Gazzone and also the clerk's office or CEO's office for doing an outstanding job in holding all the public hearings.

I asked for kind of a breakdown of how many hours we spent on this You don't want to know. Yeah, it was very significant. I also want to thank and you know members of the Santa Ynez Valley Coalition and all the neighborhood groups. Now I just think we come at it from a strategically different position but I do respect your passion and I wish everybody's district had as much passion about their what's happening in their neighborhood as you do You know sometimes.

Unfortunately, whenever we discussing these issues there's some personal attacks and people take it a little too far but you know I think it comes from the position of passion on your point and understand that just quickly all because you I think what the tribes contributed in campaigns pales in comparison to what the opposition has put into folks' campaigns on boards of supervisors. Some failed, some that were successful.

I know one individual whose attorney was here today spent $500,000 on one supervisor race in 2008. One individual. So you know it's the nature of the business and all of its reported and traceable and on our website so that is what it is. You know, getting down to what the agreement is. I think the person I agreed the most with was Mr Brady who said he didn't really see that too much had changed and I agree with you.

That's why four years ago I was saying that we needed to sit down at that time because I saw this day coming and I realized that every day that we didn't do something in every month we didn't do something that deal got worse Four years ago, I think we could have come to a much better deal. But we are... You know, I was one voice at the time so We are where we are now and if we wait another month or another six months it's going to be a worse deal than it is right now.

And so you know there's some things that I really like about the deal. I like the setbacks. I like the no commercial. I like the no gaming What I don't like is the fiscal end of it, but. Like I said, you know we're in a position where not in the best bargaining position right now with 1491 hanging over our heads so why? I was so kind of pushy three and four years ago.

Was because that I thought conversation at that time with the tribe would yield a better deal for the county. Colleagues didn't agree with me Which is normal. And so you know I just reading from my letter that I said I couldn't support at the time it was 3313 was before 1491. I said I can't agree with it in its current form I would prefer this to remain a local decision, but the only way to accomplish that is by pursuing a legally binding agreement with the tribe that would offset future property tax and allow the county to challenge some land use decisions. For my part, I will continue to push for constructive conversation that will lead to mitigation.

Without further negotiations we're destined to incur all of the impacts without any share of the revenue. And I think that's exactly where we are right now. So I think we got the best of what we could get. It's not going to get any better than this. I look forward to, I appreciate everything that the tribe does in this community. You know in my district they're the number one employer There is not a 501c3 that the first phone call they make when they're looking for someone to impact the community with a financial contribution is the tribe. They're there as volunteers, they're there with their paycheck I mean with their check to help the community.

They're great partner. I'm glad we've come to this agreement at this point and in closing I do want to say also I want to applaud Supervisor Hartman My wife hates politics and I'm very close behind her. And my wife is just, what bothers her the most is people that do not stand up for what they believe in. And I've worked in state offices, I've worked in congressional offices and local.

Yeah she loves you Peter but To see somebody that is doing what she thinks is best for her community, when that community is also threatening political recall or retribution. For me, that says a lot about you and my hat's off to you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:00:35

I want to echo that because I feel like Not not any of the tales of the last two decades none of those. Tales completely prepared me for the level of a vitriol that has surrounded this process. And I just want to caution us as a community against it- It's really the spirit of Washington, D.C., infecting our community when you think about it. It's the complete sort of mistrust of each other's motivations.

And we become desensitized to it. I mean, we let this stuff slide today. It was hardly even noticed that just today, just in this room, the county board and the tribe were compared to segregationists, to Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement and the Nazis And threatened with both recall and a passage from Proverbs that at best alludes to death and erasure from history, and at worst alludes to eternal damnation.

And we kind of just let it go by like that's just a normal way to talk to each other. I don't think it's a normal way to talk to each other. And I think especially in this county, it should not be a normal way to talk to each other. You have to give some people even your political enemies the benefit of the doubt about some of their motivations. Otherwise you can't ever work with them on things.

And I just add that disagreeing on an issue is not a legal or a moral basis for a recall. I know a little bit about the subject, and nor for eternal damnation but I think it's a given. But I'll say that we still really tried to meet The interests of those people that have raised those issues. I think the only issue that did not come up in this deliberation that has been brought up was the alcohol on site issue. Every other issue that you have brought up was addressed in the negotiations and not all of it could find its way into the final product We did attempt to look at this as a global agreement and we just couldn't get there.

I do think that what we do have is very good, especially very good in the context of being sort of at the eve of total defeat right? The the base motivation that I think that the tribe has to have for entering into an agreement that is as favorable towards the county. And it's its residents at this late of a juncture can only be that they want some measure of peace in the valley.

Because this, this agreement has some good stuff in it. And I'll tell you our primary Our primary focus or our primary value was on open space. That's why I think, you know the open space protections in the agreement are really the A plus and that means you don't get everything you want on everything else. You know, the financial one I put more at a B minus it if less you include the transportation money right?

This is a question that was brought up. What's a fair share? A fair share is defined, it's 22.5%. And so the tribe if there had been no agreement the tribe would have and just let's just say the tribe somehow agreed to what you guys all would pay for development like this They would have only paid the San Dines Valley traffic improvement fee for the development would be a one time payment of $149,000. Instead they're on the hook for 22.5% of the transportation improvements out there that part of the plan is really good for us and good for you as taxpayers.

You know the The hundred seventy eight thousand five hundred dollars was a negotiated amount. A lot of people have asked why was it a static amount? It's because when the bigger numbers were talked about, it was a bigger number minus offsets and we calculated the offsets of what the tribe is already paying for fire and deputy sheriffs. The big money minus the offsets would have been zero for the county So the static amount for the county is actually a lot better of a deal.

So I just hope that if people disagree with us strategically, think there could have been a better deal, that they will respect the fact that the reason why we've come to this is We came to the conclusion this was the best deal that could be arrived at, at this juncture. And you know including the legislation in the agreement that was a tougher call to answer Ms. Cuthbertson's question. That we debated for awhile But at the end of the day if the community's priority is not to have gaming on site, having this enshrined in federal law is a real win.

And look, if the lawsuits against the tribe had been successful Under most of the scenarios, the best case that you would hope for was a redo of the NEPA process which is just a slowdown of the inevitable. I believe what we have here is a lot better than a redo of the NEPA process and should be supported. And so I'll just take the liberty of making the motion to approve the MOU before us.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:08:09

Is there a second and then I will offer what I have to say.

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction5:08:15

I'll second that.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:08:18

I have a somewhat different perspective on what happened here today than some of my colleagues. I feel so proud to be a member of the Santa Ynez Valley and the Santa Barbara community. I only heard a few voices that were extreme and discourteous I know how deeply people care about these issues. How much they've invested over the years, how passionately they feel and yet everyone came here today and listened and was courteous and I just feel very very proud to be part of a community like this We share the same goal of protecting the rural character of the Santa Ynez Valley. And I have a track record on that, I'm very committed to it. I worked on the urban growth boundary in Buellton. I helped with the one in Goleta.

I had a role on the Santa Ynez Valley community plan. I have a record on the planning commission so I really care and am committed to protecting the rural character of the Santa Ynez Valley. I had an interesting experience. I was in the Los Olivos Country Days Parade and I told the driver of the Model T this may not be a smooth ride It was just a week or 10 days ago.

After the parade people who have been working on this issue and are very much against an agreement, and it was five or six of them came up and said even though we don't agree I respect that you've been working on this and were one community. And I can't tell you how heartening that was to me As I've been listening to Valley residents throughout this process, I've been struck by a deep and abiding theme.

When they discuss this agreement with me people often come up and they tell me that how many generations they have lived in the valley, their grandparents, their parents and they tell me about their family history. It was just in the last Board of Supervisors meeting that we heard in public comment about Sheriff Twist. Many others have told me about their grandparents and their parents and family members buried at local cemeteries.

And how even though the person talking to me might not see beyond the 2040 expiration of this agreement, how important it is to them that the rural character of the valley continues. They have roots and part of feeling rooted is feeling strong ties not only to the past but also to the future. We don't want the San Ynez Valley to turn into a San Fernando Valley, changed beyond recognition into strip malls and tract homes or worse into a mini Vegas.

My roots in the valley don't go back that far but nonetheless as your supervisor I feel a profound responsibility to protect what is so precious to everyone in the Santa Ynez Valley. Its beauty, its ecological integrity and it's strong sense of community. I grew up in Southern California where in 10 years all the orchards and fields and even vacant lots were developed within a ten year span.

The neighborhood where I live became virtually unrecognizable, and I know how rootless and rudderless that can make people feel. So I appreciate and I respect, and I will work as hard as I possibly can to protect the valley and the rural character that so many people including the tribe and Chairman Kahn expressed support to protect. We share the same goal in protecting the rural character of the valley. We differ only in how we assess the risks and the methods for achieving that goal.

Some suggest we should just say no, whatever the consequences. They put forward a best case scenario for what can be accomplished outside of an agreement and a worst case scenario for the agreement. I appreciate the appealing clarity of that position, but my experience working in this situation do not allow me to endorse it. The risks are too great that a no will be emphatically overridden by Congress whether we like it or not federal law preempts local law on Indian and FIDA trust matters.

I had Gina Fisher do some research in my office of all bills similar to HR 1491. There have been 47 such bills since 1989 that either bring land into trust or affirm federal trust status and all have passed Congress and all have been signed into law by the President In the House, only eight ever came to a roll call vote and were then passed. In the Senate all the bills sailed through not a single bill was even subject to a roll call vote passing unanimously on the consent calendar.

In each case since 1989 and spanning four presidential administrations, these bills were signed into law. Trust actions have enjoyed unwavering bipartisan support in Washington. Some people are persuaded that President Trump will not sign the bill, but an examination of administrative policies to date does not support that view. And I've got a long list but let me just say that in May Interior Secretary Zinke proclaimed that any changes to trust regulations will belong to the tribes because that's the way we're going to lead in the Trump administration.

I don't see a change in direction by the executive branch Camp 4 is not an effective vehicle for FETA trust reform. I do sincerely believe that FETA trust reform is needed and I hope to talk to people at the upcoming CSAC conference about how we can work together, even with tribes, to bring that about. But Camp 4 is being processed by the administrative branch and will be reviewed by the judicial branch Under current laws. Reform will take legislative branch action and I repeat my commitment to work with you and others in the future to achieve meaningful reform.

Today we need to do the best we can with this situation as it exists. Doing so will give us far greater credibility going forward than just saying no. That said, I really want to extend my sincerest appreciation to the tribal leadership including Chairman Kahn and the business committee. They didn't have to be here. Why did they do it? They too feel a deep connection to place and they want a homeland where they can practice and promote their cultural heritage. And they also want to live in greater harmony with the surrounding community, and that's why they sat at that table with us And there were times, believe me when we were so angry and upset and we almost walked out or we almost thought well we're never going to come back to this. But we did and a lot of that goes to Chairman Kahn and I thank you for that.

I recognize that many people are concerned that if an agreement is signed, that's the end of it. For me this is the beginning. Let's figure out how to address the setbacks to better protect surrounding neighborhoods and tribal residents at Camp 4. We can do that! Let's work to improve traffic patterns at Armor Ranch Road and Baseline. We can do that too. Let's go forward and I've already put this in motion with a joint county tribe application for a Caltrans grant to improve our traffic regionally from the roundabout where 154 meets 246 west to where they both intersect with Highway 101. We can get a planning grant if we, the county applies with the tribe both as government entities and plan for that in a more holistic way.

Let's put into place a way to keep the dialogue open as issues and opportunities arise. And I know that tribe leadership has expressed to me how excited they are about the new museum, and how they would like to find an appropriate forum to be able to share their plans. This is not about selling out the valley. We have two paths forward, we can adopt this enforceable agreement and work to reform FETA trust or we can choose not to adopt this agreement and watch HR 1491 pass as early as next week getting no controls This is such a challenging issue it's an emotional issue. It's about home, it's about trust, it's about tribal self-determination I ask that we use this agreement as a starting point. A beginning of more earnest communication and above all learning to be better neighbors finding shared goals and working towards greater harmony in the San Ynez Valley.

I will do my utmost to promote these goals and thank you for hearing me out Mr. Gazzone.

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction5:18:19

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, just for clarity I think I had understood the motion but I would just ask that it expressly include adopting staff's recommended actions A through D as shown in the agenda dated October 31st.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:18:34

And it is up on the screen so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed5:18:36

I'll move the MOU and A through D. I will second that.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:18:41

We have a motion and a second Mr Allen would you call the roll vote.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:18:45

Mr Adam? No. Mr Lavinino? Aye. Mr Williams? Aye Ms Wolfe?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:18:51

Aye.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:18:51

Ms Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:18:53

Aye

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:18:53

Passes 4 to 1

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:18:56

And we're not having closed session today if I understand, or Mr Gazzone?

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction5:19:01

Chair Hartman I recognize the time crunch but it would be helpful if we could have even a 10 minute closed session Okay

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:19:07

and would you report what were going to consider

GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction5:19:09

That'll be one item of conference with legal counsel concerning significant exposure to litigation. And it will be a short closed session.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:19:17

Okay, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:21:54

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:39:34

♪ Yeah. We're reconvening the October 31, 2017 special meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Mr. Gazzone would you report out from closed session?

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GuestHartmanProposed · by introduction5:42:52

Chair Hartman and supervisors today in closed session the board had only one matter and that was one case of meeting with council concerning one case of significant exposure to litigation there are no reportable actions.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:43:03

So at 3, at 240 we adjourn this. Oh CEO Miyasato you had an announcement about it. Chair Harman

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:43:11

just briefly that we had set a hearing for 11-7 on the Tejigawas item our plan will be to continue that to the 11-14 meeting we will have an item showing that we want to continue it at the next meeting.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.795:43:22

Okay with that we adjourn until November 7th. Yeah.