Board of Supervisors — 2017-12-05

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Good morning, welcome to this December 5th 2017 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in the Santa Barbara Hearing Room. Mr. Allen would you call the roll?

Mr. Lavinino? Here. Mr Williams? Here Ms Wolfe? Here Mr Adam? Here Ms Hartman?

And may I have a motion to approve the minutes of November 14, 2017? Second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Minutes stand approved and I would like now to Talk a little bit about a member of our county family who passed away suddenly. It's with great sadness that we learned that former Supervisor Joni Gray died last week. She served for 14 years on this board And she'll be missed by many locally and throughout the state. Last week I attended a CSAC meeting, and she was well known throughout the 58 counties in leadership throughout California. And they dedicated a moment of silence to her there. She was a courageous public service, and she was somebody joyous in the way she lived her life. So I would like us all to just spend A minute here reflecting about her and her dedication to our county in public service.

Thank you for honoring her and her legacy. I know there are some board members who would like to have some remembrance of her. Supervisor Lavanino?

Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, I was honored to have been asked by Joni's family to... I don't even know what you call it. It's not...

A eulogy?

It felt like a eulogy, but it was an introduction. You were the

MC or whatever of the whole thing. And in Joni's style we started right on time and we didn't take a lot of time. We were in and out in 45 minutes. She would have been very happy. We also didn't do it during any football game so she would also have been very happy about that. She was a huge football fan. And as I told her family, uh, I spent the first two years on this board driving back and forth with Joni.

We had two subjects. One was her family and the other one was football. And we didn't talk about her family very much so she, um, she was a citizen of the year. I mean, she's everything in North County. She'd been citizen of the year. Um, she was rodeo queen. Just to kind of put her life in perspective, at four years old she led the Santa Maria Elks Rodeo Parade.

And she then became the rodeo queen and then 70 years later she was the grand marshal of that same parade so she led a great life I talked about also that she was a cheerleader in junior high which didn't surprise me much because she'd been a cheerleader her whole life for the North County You always knew where she stood and we're gonna miss her. She was a terrific lady, and the community place was packed, I think 400 or 500 people there.

It was just a really beautiful ceremony and she'll be greatly missed.

Thank you,

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you Madam Chair. Well Steve did an incredible job at the memorial service that I also attended and as Steve mentioned the place was packed and then also in Joni's style there was a party afterwards with Just so many people celebrating her life. I just, you know, I knew Joni when I first came on this board. I met Joni when I first came on this board and we We were two women amongst three pretty strong men.

And Joni and I often differed on policy matters, but we were so much alike in what we cared about. And Joni and I developed a really fond friendship with each other. And as Steve mentioned, Joni loved to talk. We didn't talk about football but we did talk about our families and I learned so much about her daughter Samantha and then you know having the opportunity to meet Sam at the memorial service was really I saw Joni in Sam and anyway, I'm going to miss Joni. She was a true leader. She was a great friend and a great representative for this county.

Thank you and our thoughts go out to her family and friends at this time. Ms. Miyasato, do you have our CEO's report for today? Good morning Chair

Hartman and board members I do have several items we wanted to start this morning off myself and Chief Peterson if he'd come up to just give you a brief update on the Thomas fire in Ventura County right now This fire is not in Santa Barbara County. It is wholly within the jurisdiction of Ventura County. Rob Lewin, our Office of Emergency Management Director, is busy at the EOC. I know he's been up all night since late last night or early this morning and same with several members from General Services, Fire Sheriff and Matt Pontus so I want to say thank you and appreciate their work. I don't think they've gotten any sleep.

So let me start off and I'll hand it over to Chief Peterson. As far as impacts in Santa Barbara County, many of you noticed the power outage that happened late last night or early this morning if you're in Southern California Edison territory. Our facilities were backed up by generator power during some portion of that. Currently power is stable although its fluid. I know people saw flickering this morning around 7 AM and OEM's in constant communication with Southern California Edison.

We've offered mutual aid for sheriff and Chief Peterson will talk about our resources deployed for the fire, as well as the Office of Emergency Services. Our EOC has been activated as of last night and critical staff are there since the power outage. Vista Del Mar which is our psychiatric facility where we have sent our patients was completely destroyed last night. We've had I think seven patients there at about 70 or 80 So patients in total, all were safely evacuated.

Dr. Gleghorn has been working with her staff to ensure the safety of these patients and bring them back to Santa Barbara to our Puff facility. We're evaluating what other needs may be required. OEM is planning for possible shelter facilities with the Red Cross. That planning continues this morning and they are in communication with Ventura County EOC. As you know we have many employees who've been impacted, many who are evacuated Some who've lost their homes, we found out. We're asking all our departments to be mindful of this and lend support to these employees whose safety for themselves and their families are our first priority.

Lastly it's a good time to remember to tell everyone you know to sign up for our whereandprepare.org and to follow us on our Twitter sites. We have information posted as of last night and continue to do so also on our website. Again, the situation is fluid. We're asking for everyone's patience and cooperation. And again thank you to our employees who work throughout the night to ensure power to our critical facilities particularly in general services as well as Sheriff Fire OEM and our PAO teams.

Now Chief Peterson.

Thank You CEO Miyasato. So as we as you are all aware Ventura County has a very major significant fire going right now The latest update at the briefing this morning is that it's at 45,000 acres which is astounding for one night's fire. Went 25,000 acres in five hours. They have 150 confirmed structures down, including a portion of the psych hospital as Mona mentioned.

There's a large apartment building went down, 27,000 people evacuated. Right now there's about 1,000 firefighters on scene with many more in route. The fire is established behind the 150, can you bring the map up? So that yellow area, of course is the outline and you can see it's established itself right behind Ventura City. It's very visible down there and of course as you drove in this morning you could see the column coming up and you can see the wind because the column is as you could see is right out over the ocean so even now the winds have calmed down but that column is stretched out over the ocean so it's a classic Santa Ana condition.

Challenges they've had down there is they lost hydrants in the foothill, in the foothill area because they just ran out of water. A lot of a lot of the water up there is stored in tanks and when the power went out they lost the pumps and they were unable to refill those those tanks and so on top of that cell service is really spotty down there because they've lost a bunch of their cell towers Power is out still in most of the city although they're starting to re-establish it in some locations One of the most disconcerting things right now is that Red Flag fire conditions are going to continue to be really focused on Ventura County and in that area.

And the highest winds are predicted for Thursday, so we haven't even seen the worst of the winds yet. So as far as our contribution to their incident, out of our op area we have contributed A significant amount of people and equipment. We have 21 engines down there out of the OP area, 14 of those came from the county fire department so those are all white fire trucks.

Our helicopter 308 is down there with our combined unit and they're doing good work. They were called off last night because of high winds and they just couldn't fly anymore. And so first thing this morning when winds calmed down enough Helicopters back down there. We have an emergency recall in place, went in place last night. Unbelievably good response from our personnel. Everybody came into work, everybody that was at work was held on duty.

All stations are open and that is about it and I can take any questions you might have.

Supervisor Wolf. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you Chief Peterson for the report. Is it at all in state jurisdiction or is it all Ventura County?

It's in state and local jurisdiction. And

Ventura City too.

Right exactly but CAL FIRE is contributing a huge amount of resources to this fire

And they did the evacuations last night. I just saw on the news that they did it pretty much door to door,

right? Very similar to what's been going on up in Santa Rosa and what we've done here this year with the Whittier fire.

Were there any fatalities?

I've heard different information about that. I don't have anything confirmed on that right now. Okay.

And then as far as Santa Barbara County because we did experience in the South County that the outage how did our Facilities do hospitals. Have you heard? Maybe general services knows that too, but how like our EOC or dispatch county facilities hospitals Supervisor

Walden, maybe Matt can come up and speak to that since he was involved with all of that last night. I think again our facilities aren't generator. I know last night OEM had been calling our critical care facilities to make sure there was power and I believe there was. Okay.

Madam Chairman members of the board we got through the night and we had a few technical difficulties but we got everything on board and Had a good partnership with the city as well in their dispatch center So we did have OEM contacting those other critical care facilities across the county and ensuring that they were up and running. And we haven't heard anything that suggested otherwise.

So what were the difficulties? Do we have it at the OEM? Because when we built the OEM, one of the big things was to have that generator in place so that worked.

Supervisor Wolf through the chair, we did have the generator and it was operational throughout it. We had issues with one of the switches at the facility and we have a technician out this morning going through that to make sure that They will continue to provide service there at the dispatch center. At OEM, we have the generator up and running and because the power was fluctuating on and off, we decided to leave it on generator for a while and we'll switch back over to commercial power soon.

And how about cell towers?

So Supervisor Wolf through the chair, our communication towers up there at San Inez Peak and several of the others. We had staff up there last night refueling the generator tanks and that kind of thing to make sure that we had adequate fuel supplies up there. Okay

thank you. Thank you Chief.

And maybe just wait there's some other lights up here I'm not sure who the questions are for. Supervisor Adam?

Yeah I was wondering if anybody knew anything about the jail? Jail no hitches?

So supervisor Adam through the chair, the Gerald generator was on and operational all night.

Perfect.

Supervisor Williams.

Do we have any fire personnel that have been whose families have been evacuated?

We're concerned about that. We haven't, we're looking into that right now is actually talking to Tyler Gilliam this morning. We have a lot of people personnel that live down in that area so it's something that we are definitely looking into everything is really chaotic down there so information is just now still coming in

and then the other question more about Given that last night was a Cal ISO transmission emergency and that the fire is still raging, is there reason for members of the public to minimize energy usage so that we could avoid further outages from at least for the time being?

I'm not an energy expert by any means but that sounds like a good idea to me. Thank you.

I had a question for Dr. Gleghorn. Is our facility, do we have enough beds to accommodate? Are we looking for emergency beds or how were people evacuated? Our Santa Barbara patients.

So we are looking at accommodating patients through a variety of strategies for those patients who are ready to be discharged and moved to a lower level of care. We're trying to vacate some beds at the Puff but I've also notified the state that we're in an emergency situation and that we may need exceed our census, so they're aware and we can accommodate maybe up to 10 additional in the short term. So we've notified our food vendors, we're bringing in additional linens and we're prepared to take our clients who are at the fairgrounds at this point and bring them back up to the hospital facility which by the way did go on to generators last night.

Any other questions? Thank you very much.

Thank you again to all our staff and you can see people are a little weary eyed today there's been it's been a long night for everybody so thank you to them actually on to some happier news I'm also I'm here to congratulate and have the board join me in congratulating Tanya Heitman who was just appointed as the Chief Probation Officer. So, Tanya if you could come up for a moment.

Tanya was sworn in by the Superior Court last week and as you know Tanya has served as our Deputy Chief Probation Officer for the Adult Division since May 2013. During her 27 year tenure with the department she has served with juvenile institutions adult and administrative divisions In a variety of capacities, she's been instrumental in the planning and implementation as all of you know for realignment in Santa Barbara County. Working collaboratively with reps from our courts, the sheriff, the DA, public defendant, all our local community groups. I think the court recognized Ms. Heitman's breadth of experience and her abilities, and we look forward to working with her in her new role as chief. And before she begins, I also want to say thank you.

I know the board has another thank you plan for Beverly Taylor later. To recognize Ms. Taylor who through her commitment we just applaud and praise she has served the department as our former chief and came back to help us out in this interim period so thank you to Beverly Taylor as well. Chief Heitman?

Chair Hartman, Supervisors good morning. You've seen me before your board previously so you're well aware that I am extremely proud of the Santa Barbara County Probation Department, its work and all of its staff. With 27 years of service, I'm honored to be appointed as Chief Probation Officer to one of the top probation departments in the state of California.

I want to thank CEO Miyasato and all of her staff for their tremendous assistance during this transition period. I know that we have many challenges ahead of us, but I'm confident with continued collaboration with your board. With the other county departments, with the courts and the criminal justice stakeholders that your probation department will continue to excel.

I am humbled by this opportunity and I look forward to working with each of you and I thank you for your support.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Chair Hartman. I have two other announcements one is just a quick one and that is to talk about our winter holiday closure this is just to let the public know most county administrative offices and facilities will be closed between Christmas and New Year's but many critical and essential services will still be open Tuesday the 26th through Friday December 29th we have a list of all the available services posted on our website at CountyofSB.org and the county's Facebook and Instagram sites The public may also contact any specific department and check its website, and that information will be available.

So last but not least I want to invite Terry Nisich to come up and talk about our food toys in sock drive.

Thank you, good morning everyone. The county is sponsoring three wonderful campaigns this year for the holiday season. Toys for Tots, the Holiday Unity Shop Food Drive and then the United Way of Northern Santa Barbara County AmeriCorps Sock Drive. The sock drive includes winter clothing, blankets, backpacks, rain pouches, ponchos anything you need for the winter season. We have collection bins throughout our government buildings both in Santa Barbara and in Santa Maria through December 19th So today we have Tom Reed who I know we see every year. Come on up, Tom.

And he is going to kick off the Toys for Tot drive. Every year it is our pleasure to make sure that our board are the very first to fill the box But this year we also are offering the opportunity for you to also put all of the socks and winter clothing that you've brought in, in our basket here as well. But before you do that I'm going to turn it over to Tom and then you'll be able to bring us down your toys and socks thanks

Thank you Madam Chair, members of the board. It's an honor to be a part of the Toys for Tots. I think the Marines were going to be here this morning but they got impacted by the fire and I know the fires on everyone's mind some of our staff at Unity live in Ojai. They've been evacuated there right now at the Unity Shop. We are the designated long-term recovery agency for the County of Santa Barbara and so unity shop is active as soon as the first responders are gone. It's about a two-year process to take care of people in long term recovery.

Unity is 100 years old this year, we're celebrating that at our telethon on December 9th and all these toys that you guys are providing and the Toys for Tots that we've been doing for about 30 years because the Marine Reserves really like the way we distribute the toys each one of these toys will have an impact I can't get past the story Last year at this time a woman came to us and she said, I was married a long time ago with three kids. I married an artist who was failing and we were about to have the worst Christmas known to man. We didn't have food and certainly no toys. She came and offered us $1,000 donation and said you helped my family 56 years ago.

She's still thinking about it 56 years later and so what it communicates to me is that every one of Families that are helped and there's about 3000 families coming to the unity shop this Christmas. And each one has a story, they're newly needy often. And so having lost the ability to provide for themselves what you guys are doing for those families has an impact.

And I don't want to overlook that. So thank you so much for being a part of that. Our telethon on December 9th will give everyone in the community a chance to support what we do. It's a little bit neighbors helping neighbors, we all pitch in and it works very very well so thank you so much for your donations are you going to bring these toys down or what are we gonna do today? We

are and thank you so much for collecting them

We can take the money. Thank you, thank you.

It's a natural

gas.

Wait, Joe needs her barn. Hold on.

Yeah.

Well having launched the holiday season at the Board of Supervisors, we're turning now to our honorary resolutions. May I have a motion to approve A25 through A27? So

moved.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion stands approved and A27 would you read that into the record Mr. Allen

Chair Hartman and members of the board, item A27. This is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. This is a resolution proclaiming December 1st 2017 as World AIDS Day in Santa Barbara County and we have members from our public health team here to receive this. And there's Evan De La Rosa I don't know if it's Charity Dean and Paige Batson Paola Hurtado, Maria Garcia, Lynn Fitzgibbons. Let's bring the whole crew up and I will go ahead and read the resolution into the record.

Whereas on December 1, 2017 in honor of World AIDS Day, the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department joins the global partnership to promote the Center for Disease Control's message of increasing impact through transparency, accountability, and partnerships And whereas 1.1 million people in the United States are living with HIV, and one in seven of them don't even know it. People living with HIV receiving medical care and achieving viral load suppression have a dramatically lower chance of transmitting the virus to others.

And whereas, public health employee Maria Garcia was selected by the Santa Barbara Independent as a local hero for 30 years of dedicated service as a medical assistant at the Public Health Department's HIV clinic. Maria has been a medical assistant for the county HIV clinic since 1987. And whereas Maria was a medical assistant during the darkest days of the HIV epidemic and telling stories, reviewing patient lists of those who had died every month or at the end-of-life care that was often part of the routine of the clinic visits.

Whereas from then until now Maria remains the heart and soul of the clinic and has been there a pillar of support for all our patients and their families for decades Now therefore it be hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors Santa Barbara County does hereby proclaim the first day of December 2017 as World AIDS Day in Santa Barbara County pass and adopted today.

Good morning. I lost my speech. Thank you for your support of our ongoing work in preventing and treatment of HIV and AIDS, and today is a fabulous Because we get to pause amidst our crazy busy work to honor one of our own. And I have with me Dr. Fitzgibbons who would like to share some thoughts about Maria and her dedication to our HIV

clinic.

This is my first time here, it's very dramatic. Let me just take... Every week

it's

dramatic. Just got

usually power outages.

In 1987 a young woman left Santa Barbara High School and walked into Franklin Clinic and asked for a job. And there was one clinic that no one wanted to work in It was the clinic that was started by my mentors who are here today, Dr. Steve Jose and Dr. Andy Gersoff. Maria became the medical assistant for the HIV Clinic that year, January 1987. She has been and still is the face that our HIV patients see when they walk into that first visit.

She has known many of these patients literally since that first year. And so really sincerely from the bottom of my heart as the physician in the clinic now I want to thank Maria for all that she does, for all of our patients. I want to take a minute to remember those of the patients who are no longer with us and thank everyone in the room, particularly the Public Health Administration, the clinic staff, the Clinic Administration, again my mentors and predecessors in the clinic, and finally Maria. Thank you.

This has been a long road and a beautiful job I've had all these years, and still to come. And working for and with these two guys. They've been great. These two physicians. Beautiful people. And Dr. Fitzgibbon. Thank you too. People that I work with. Thank you so much.

We thank you. Beautiful smile. Mr Allen a 26

Chair Hartman and members of the board item a 26 also sponsored by our chair supervisor Hartman is a resolution of commendation honoring Ian Swisher Julia Kosowitz and Sally Leon Tondreau of the Agricultural Commissioner's weights and measures office as the December 2017 employees of the month for Santa Barbara County Regrettably, Ian and Sally have been impacted by the fire this morning So they are unable to make it I believe, but we do have Julia Kosowitz. Julia here? Julia come on up and I think Stephanie Stark as well. Come on up to the podium and I know Kathy Fisher is in Santa Maria watching us and I'll read the resolution.

Whereas Ian Swisher, Agricultural Biologist II, Julia Kosiewicz, Agricultural Biologist III and Sally Leon-Tondreau, Weights & Measures Inspector II with the Ag Commissioner's Weights & Measures Office are recognized for their exceptional performance, initiative and dedication. And whereas Ian, Julia and Sally are a positive force in the department who embrace the county's core ACE values in their willingness to hold themselves accountable. Their commitment to customer service and their motivation to improve efficiency.

And whereas Ian, Julia and Sally contribute their opinions and ideas openly and honestly. Their unique enthusiasm encourages communication and they treat everyone professionally with courtesy and respect. And whereas, Ian, Julia and Sally understand all aspects of providing education and outreach to industry stakeholders and the general public. They continue to maintain the challenging dynamics in the department's agricultural weights and measures programs.

And whereas Ian, Julia and Sally are recognized as valuable resources that have contributed suggestions to improve internal processes and their overall compassion and commitment to public service is a model for the entire department. It is now hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Ian Swisher, Julia Kosowitz and Sally Leontandro for their exceptional contributions passed and adopted today.

Good morning members of the board. Chair Hartman, members of the board thank you for this opportunity to recognize these three outstanding employees as stated Ian Swisher and Sally has not been able to join us today due to fires but we do have Julia Kosowitz here today And each of these employees really represents the department and the county as a whole, just in their values and the unique way that they are with the customers that come in every day.

The Agriculture Commissioner's Office is a very small department. We work intimately together as a team. One day you may be out in the field and the next minute you're in the office trying to get something accomplished for a client or customer that has come in but Julia As with Ian and Sally represent the department in so many positive ways, and we're so pleased to be here today.

And we're very proud of them and thank you for this opportunity.

Thank you.

Thank you very much for this honor. I know Ian and Sally would love to be here with us today. It's been a real honor to receive this, it's been a real pleasure to work for the county. I work with a fabulous team and it's a real pleasure to come into work every day and work with the public. Thank you very much.

Thank you for all you do So turning now to our administrative agenda, I have item A-12 and A-13. Do we have any from the public that we should pull? Mr. Allen.

Chair Hartman and members of the board, I have no request to speak from the public but I do have Cassie Roach here with Item A- 12 is read into the record she's the safe parking program coordinator and she's available for questions at that time. And I just want to note in addendum that we posted last week Regarding item a 12 and this Corrected part of the recommendation just to clarify that this was the second district item not first in second district And if you'd like I can then I can go ahead and read item a 12, please record Item 812 is from general services. It's to consider recommendations regarding the safe parking program on county property This is the sixth amendment to the license and service agreement. This is in the second district

And supervisor Adam

Mr. Fay's here Can you come up and help me out for a moment? Thank you for coming up does this item comply with our lamp I

Supervisor Adam, through the Chair. This item came to the attention of Environmental Health yesterday and the proposal as it stands is not in compliance with our onsite sewage regulations. When we adopted the on-site sewage ordinance in 2016 one of the provisions of the ordinance is a restriction on the use of portable chemical toilets for temporary or occasional uses

So if this were to come before the county as a private application, we would do what with it?

This kind of application we would remand back to the applicant and tell them to put together another plan.

Like build a permanent

facility? options. The first one, if bathroom facilities are necessary for the kind of project that is being proposed then there would need to be permanent plum facilities with hot and cold running water flush toilets connected either to sewer or an approved onsite sewage system. A couple of other options that could be considered for an RV park type situation would be the installation of, if the parking is restricted to self-contained RVs meaning they have their own holding tank and installed a dump station so that when they're leaving we have a place to actually dispose of the material appropriately. That would be another option that would work for environmental health.

Okay. What about the one here? Do you think that, can you, can you opine as to what's legal in the city of Santa Barbara?

The two issues with one here at the admin building. One is our onsite sewage ordinance applies to the unincorporated parts of the county so we don't have jurisdiction in the city of Santa Barbara. Secondly that ordinance went into place in 2016 so it wasn't this year The activity here in Santa Barbara, if we had jurisdiction would be treated essentially as an existing non-conforming use. We wouldn't allow expansion of the operation but it could continue to operate in a manner historically. I can't speak to the code requirements in the city of Santa Barbara and what they may or may not allow.

Okay is anybody from general services here that could tell us what happens in the city of Santa Barbara? Okay, okay. So where does that put us here? I don't know what we want to do with this but maybe we need to go back to the drawing board.

Supervisor Wolf?

This concern is concerning. It was never brought up as a concern, first of all and it's not a mobile home park. It's for people who may be living in their cars, some may have a mobile home. But the alternative is that, especially in this particular area, some of these folks are living in their cars on the street right adjacent to where the safe parking program is.

So I think one could logically believe that it is healthier and more environmentally preferable for people to have a safe parking area where there is a portable toilet rather than people living in their cars and not having those facilities available. I think that's been the theory action behind the safe parking program that's actually been noted on nationwide Santa Barbara County Safe Parking Program, so This issue comes as a surprise and I don't I Don't know What what we can do at this point? You know we have someone

Mister Gazzone would like to add to this.

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, as a starting point under a case called the Lawler L-A-W-L-E-R we know that the city code does not apply to the county property and vice versa So the board still has some policy choices in this area. One option would be to possibly trail the item, we could go back to what I believe was the 2004 original agreement that this would be the sixth amendment of look at the termination term on that and see if it has a standard termination clause It would allow the board to take a temporary action today on this and that's I was looking for it online as Supervisor Adam was talking, but it's not coming right up But I think we could work with General Services if the board wanted to trail the item bring it back later today And we could let you know whether you'd be able to approve this and Know that you had the opportunity to terminate on 30 days notice That would give you time to look at this deeper or you could just continue the item

Okay. Yeah, I think we should trail the item and because I don't want us... Oh here comes Miss Pell. Thank you.

Jeanette Pell, General Services Director. I would appreciate if we could trail it. I haven't been able to pay attention to all the questions and so I'd rather come back at a later date I think it's important for us to be able to. Understanding what the issues are and come with a solution. Thank you. You trail the items later today. Yeah, here. Continue it continue it. Okay. Continue it too. Probably I'd say the first meeting in January just to give

I'm not aware of the state of things and the lack of accommodations in this time of year. It would be better to bring it back next week if possible.

Okay, well my point here is to point out the hypocrisy of us telling everybody else that they have to have permanent units and then letting ourselves do it and circumvent that requirement. And so maybe what would be better is to pass it on a temporary basis and then work on this as time goes on and we understand that there's this I want to say tension, but it's really hypocrisy where we're going to allow ourselves to have a permanent situation with temporary toilets. And then there are other uses in the county that we tell people they can't do unless they A permanent situation with hot water and all these requirements. So if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

And I'm fine with doing a temporary thing. I'm not trying to stop this from existing. I am just trying to say that what we're doing out there in the rest of the world is probably a little bit unreasonable.

Chair Harmon again the board unless Unless general services or CEO are detecting an exigency on approving the item today You could continue the item, or if you wanted to take action on it today because there be some Consequence of not acting today We could certainly trail the item take a look at the 2004 agreement and then confirm that there's a short determination provision in it It would allow this to actually be a temporary action. I

So let's trail the item, see if we can get something temporary in place and then continue it if need be for further discussion. If I could just

say something given that Supervisor Adam is fine moving forward. And I think that there's, I really am surprised to hear a disconnect between departments knowing that this was coming forward and that there was a need for this. It would have been good to have had a heads up about this so we could've taken care of this ahead of time. I think right now that we should move forward with this. Thank you Supervisor Adam.

And then if there's a problem or an issue that we need to resolve, we do that and it comes back to the board at that time. But for now, we move forward with this.

I agree because A is approve and authorize the chair to execute the agreement. It does not mean that the chair has to execute the agreement until there could be an amendment, so I think we should approve the item and give the chair the discretion to make some changes suggested by staff if necessary.

Mr. Gazzone?

Chair Hartman and Supervisors, I'm trying to give you a path here that you could both act and also know that if you wanted to change this down the road that you actually have a short termination provision. I just don't have the 2004 agreement in front of me. And if you were to trail this item even for an hour we could pull that through clerk of the board and assure you that you have that as an option.

Okay let's do that then. Let's trail it for today though. Thank you.

Turning to item A13, would you read that into the record Mr. Allen?

Chair Hartman and members of the board, Item A13 is also from General Services this is an independent contractor agreement with Veneer Construction Management for services associated with the main jail there's a four-fifths vote required on this item.

Supervisor Wolf? Thank You Madam Chair Is Ms. Pell still here? You're going to do it Skip, thank you. So we finally had a lot of consultants look at the jail and it looks like Vanier has been one of those consultants in that they are coming back and doing a more extensive review. It's a lot of money for the county. It's $200,000 plus and just to confirm they're supposed to have this back to us in about six months.

The funding for this comes from where? Is it general services?