BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 January 30, 2018

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed0:19 · ≈ 9:00 AM

♪ Hi.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:00 · ≈ 9:03 AM

I'll call this meeting to order. Can we get a roll call?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:07 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Ms. Wolfe? Here. Ms. Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:11 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Here

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:12 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Mr. Adam? I am here. Mr. Lavinino? Here Mr. Williams? Here Pledge of Allegiance

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:27 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Can

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:28 · ≈ 9:03 AM

I get

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated3:30 · ≈ 9:03 AM

a motion on the minutes?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:53 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Roll call for everything. Please do a roll call.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:58 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Ms Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye Mr Adam? Aye Mr Lavinino? Aye, Mr Williams? Aye Passes 5-0

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction4:09 · ≈ 9:04 AM

We are going to take first see if there's a COs report

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:16 · ≈ 9:04 AM

No report this morning

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction4:19 · ≈ 9:04 AM

And then we are going to do two of the items first. But if anyone has anything to pull, please let me know. In the meantime, let's do A11 and followed by A12.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:33 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board, would you like to consider a motion to approve the two resolutions to be presented today?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction4:41 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Is there a motion on it? So moved. Second. Roll call please. This is on A11 and A12.

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Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Item A11, this is co-sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Hartman.
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed5:07 · ≈ 9:05 AM

This is a resolution of accommodation honoring Lou Anne Miller upon her retirement from the Isla Vista Youth Projects after over 33 years of extraordinary distinguished and consequential service to the children and families of the county of Santa Barbara. And Lou Anne could you come on up? Lou Anne? Okay well let's go on to A12 then. So we're going to go on to A12. This is sponsored by the Chair, Supervisor Williams. This is to adopt a resolution of commendation honoring Ruthie Page and Barbara Zamora of the Auditor-Controller's Department as the January 2018 Employees of the Month for Santa Barbara County. And if Ruthie and Barbara could come on up?

That'd be great along with Theo. And I will go ahead and read the resolution into the record. Whereas Ruthie Page and Barbara Zamora are recognized for their exceptional dedication to the county as team members in the auditor controllers payroll division. As the heart of the payroll team, they keep abreast of complex and changing parameters of 11 collective bargaining agreements, federal employment laws, income tax withholding regulations, for 24 various departments. And whereas Ruthie and Barbara advise and assist all department payroll administrators with all inquiries, adjustments, and anomalies they provide stellar customer service to all county departments and the county's 4,368 employees alike with an ever positive and measured delivery.

And whereas their positive attitudes and utmost integrity in delivering county employees livelihood on a bi-weekly basis is both timely accurately demonstrates their steadfast consistency of purpose Their equal respect and compassion for every single employee shines through their meticulous attention to detail on every calculation. And their fair and impartial application of all policies to each and every case. Therefore, be it hereby ordered and resolved that Ruthie and Barbara are hereby recognized as invaluable assets to the county as a whole and to each individual employee.

And is passed and adopted by the Board of Supervisors today recognizing them as our Santa Barbara County Employees of the Month.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed7:36 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Members of the board, it's really good to celebrate some positives especially during these trying times that we have. And these two individuals are really positives in our organization. They're actually shining examples of the positivity. They typically are unheralded. They are at their desks every day and they are doing their daily work behind the scenes to be sure that every county employee gets their paycheck every two weeks all the way.

Exactly from the- From the first responders out in the field to all of us desk jockeys in the room, not only do they get the paychecks out but they make sure they're correct. That's most important. They're truly stalwarts for our department and for the county and we're really proud of them. And not just today when we honor them with this well-deserved recognition but every day. Thank you.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction8:44 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Thank you. Do we have any other items that are being pulled? We're going to still wait a moment on A11.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed9:00 · ≈ 9:09 AM

It seems like Lou Anne will be here maybe within ten minutes is what we're hearing. Okay,

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction9:06 · ≈ 9:09 AM

we'll trail

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed9:07 · ≈ 9:09 AM

that. Mr Chair I would like to pull A14 please.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction9:14 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Can I get a motion on the balance of the agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed9:19 · ≈ 9:09 AM

So moved.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction9:22 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Second. Roll call, please. Mr. Allen can you tell us if there is any changes on that list?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed9:32 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Chair Williams and members

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed9:33 · ≈ 9:09 AM

of the board, we had a few announcements to make this morning on the agenda. First off, we did post an addendum last week on Friday adding a few items to the agenda. We added a closed session item regarding public employee performance evaluation. We added Item A13 which is Public Works and comes to the Board as the Board of Directors of the Flood Control and Water Conservation District. This is regarding Amendment Number 1 to the agreements providing trucking and on-call maintenance services.

We added item A14 to the agenda, this is co-sponsored by Supervisors Williams and Hartman. This is to consider recommendations regarding a resolution opposing new offshore oil leases in federal waters off the California coast. We added departmental item number five, this is from the county executive office. This is considered recommendations regarding our recovery efforts on the Thomas Flood.

And item number six. From the Public Works Department, this is regarding the adoption of a summary nuisance abatement storm emergency debris from the Thomas Fire within stream channels. And this is an urgency ordinance amending Article 5, Chapter 17 of the Santa Barbara County Code. I also wanted to note that on item number six, that item is a four-fifths vote so I just want the board and the public to understand that.

Then we also have some requests to continue some items this morning and we can take care of these as you at your pleasure. We have a request to continue item A7, this is from Public Works. This is the Board of Directors of Flood Control Water Conservation District. This is regarding the Lower Mission Creek flood control project reaches three and four in the first district and that is a companion item to departmental item number three Which is also requested to be continued. This is also from the Public Works Department and comes to the board as the Board of Directors of the Flood Control and Water Conservation District, and this is a recommendation regarding that Lower Mission Creek reaches 2B phase two and three fee acquisitions in the second district.

And I also want to note on this that the agenda did state second district but on this item both of these items are in the first district. And we have also requested continues item one and two on the on the departmental agenda. Item one is from planning and development. This is the Montecito architectural guidelines, development standards limited update phase 2. This isn't the first district this to be continued to your meeting on February 27th.

And then item number two from planning and development, this is regarding the O'Neill residence variance general plan amendment in rezone. This is located on Wallace Avenue in Summerlin in the first district and the request is that this item also be continued to our meeting on February 27th. I think that's all that I have.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction12:19 · ≈ 9:12 AM

So would the maker of the motion consider removing one, two, three, and seven from the balance of the agenda? That was me right? I know that was Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7712:34 · ≈ 9:12 AM

Hartman. I believe that A7 is the only one on our administrative agenda that would be continued, is that correct Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed12:47 · ≈ 9:12 AM

That's correct and then we have items A2 pulled by the public and item A14 pulled by the public And then item A14 pulled by the board. So if you wanted to make a motion to approve the balance of administrative agenda with the exception of items A14 and A2, that would be appropriate and we can go ahead and consider a motion to also continue A7 and D3 when the time comes.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction13:16 · ≈ 9:13 AM

And is that your motion?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7713:18 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Yes, thank you.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction13:18 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Thank you. Motion in second roll call.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed13:25 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Ms. Wolf? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye. Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 5-0

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction13:36 · ≈ 9:13 AM

We have two items that have been pulled by the public

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed13:44 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Chair Hartman, members of the board. We're going to start with item A2. This is from the Auditor-Controller. Consider recommendations regarding property assessed clean energy special assessments for the City of Santa Barbara California Statewide Communities Development and Dustin Relich is here. Dustin come on up.

PresenterDustin ReilichMunicipal Development for the California Hero Program brought to you by RenovateProposedself-stated14:07 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Hello Board and thank you for having me here today it's been a long time I'm Dustin Reilich, I'm the Senior Director of Municipal Development for the California Hero Program brought to you by Renovate America. Your first largest city, Santa Barbara has now moved forward with pace making it available to residential customers here in the county of Santa Barbara. Lompoc moved forward back in April of 2014 and And I'm before you today to just give you a short update on what's happened with PACE and all the regulations that have happened, and hopefully urge you to make a motion to change direction with your staff. They have been given direction in the past to come back with commercial PACE only. And I'd like you to make direction to make residential PACE available in the future as well.

In your folder on the left hand side is a brief update on what PACE is all about. Also, there's a little pamphlet that tells you about PACE improved and regulated talking about the legislation SB 242 and AB 1284 that we helped to guide and work with the governor's office this last session to make sure that there were lots of consumer protections, contractor constraints, lots of department of business oversight through the state oversight for PACE as a whole. Our program is the largest program in the state of California. There's a little flyer behind that, Why Choose Hero Financing? There's also something behind that about the fact that this program has partnered with League of California Cities and CSAC. I see all of you at the CSAC events often so it's nice to see you in person here.

On the right hand side is how many projects we've done in the state of California. We're available on 89.8% of the state of California for energy and water conservation, and we've done over 112,000 projects. I also threw in your neighbor to the south a little snapshot of the over 1400 projects we have done in Ventura County. Making residential PACE available to your constituents would be a great idea.

The time is right now that the legislation has changed, there's a lot of constraints that are put in place making sure that it is the best product possible for your property owners and I would advise you or hope that I can urge you to make a motion to direct staff to bring back residential pace and the hero program. In the near future. Thank you for your time and have a great day, and I am 100% for A2 moving forward. I've worked very closely with Theo Filotti. He's great and so is his staff. Glad that they got recognized today and they do a great job for your county. Thank you.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction16:47 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Thank you. And we have other public comment on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed16:54 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Yeah one additional speaker Bill Norton Mr. Norton

CommentBill NortonProposedself-stated17:06 · ≈ 9:17 AM

My name is Bill Norton. I'm a retired landscape contractor. Thanks for the opportunity to be able to put forth some ideas on this. I would like to say that I think it would be a great, great deal for the homeowners of our county to be able to use the PACE program to enable them to use the financing available through the PACE program and the HERO program to transform landscapes that haven't already been done into something that's much more drought-resistant than what we have right now.

The big thing now amongst the plantings is the artificial turf and that stuff is very expensive. A simple 800 square foot artificial turf lawn can cost as much as $4,500 to buy it and have it installed. Anyway, it's not cheap and being able to finance it would be a great advantage for the homeowners in our county. And I hope that you guys will approve the HERO financing program to enable us to use Thank you. Is there a request to speak from the supervisors?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed18:33 · ≈ 9:18 AM

Well, I'm just going to read two paragraphs from the board letter and that's page three near the top. The Federal Housing Financing Agency issued a statement of concern over Pace's senior lean position over mortgage instruments. Given potential risks to consumers and local governments, your board adopted a resolution directing staff not to accept the county empowered residential PACE applications until FHFA's concerns have been resolved and approved.

In addition to a redesigned county empowered program that does not utilize PACE assessments, the loan position risk with FHFA for PACE financing has not changed. On December 7th, 17 FHA announced that properties encumbered with PACE obligations will no longer be

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed19:33 · ≈ 9:19 AM

eligible for FHA insured forward mortgages. So what this item is, is the City of Santa Barbara doing pays for their residents. And if they want to ignore those risks that's fine with me and our auditor is going to be forced to collect those payments on the taxes of the people of the city of Santa Barbara. And that's okay, but as far as turning it over and having that available to county residents I think it's a bad idea and I wouldn't be supporting that. But I'm fine with this item as it currently sits.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction20:27 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Thank you, and I don't see any other lights so I'll just- A question from Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed20:33 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. What I understand and maybe Mr. Filotti can help with this that there is now in place CSCDA which administers PACE program for over 100 cities and counties. Can you explain how that organization interacts with what you do? Do they take any of the responsibility for any delinquencies?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed21:06 · ≈ 9:21 AM

Supervisor Wolf through the chair. The CSCDA is a joint powers authority, and they have the program themselves. And we, the auditor with the agreement that's here enter into an agreement with the CSCDA to collect the taxes. And basically they are the administrators of the program so they provide us with all the information and then there are And then it goes back to the CSCDA for collection.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed21:46 · ≈ 9:21 AM

Thank you for that, thank you Mr. Filotti.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction21:50 · ≈ 9:21 AM

Thank You Supervisor Wolfe for bringing that up because I do think that we do not have agendized what Very inspired by the fact that the city has gone forward and do you see some merit in it? And invite supervisors if they wish to agendize in the future, to make a request to agendize PACE in the county. Supervisor Lavagnino. I'd just be willing to move item A2. Is there a second?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed22:30 · ≈ 9:22 AM

I'll second.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction22:32 · ≈ 9:22 AM

There's a motion and a second. Roll call please. I see another light on. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed22:39 · ≈ 9:22 AM

Oh, I was just getting ready to vote.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction22:40 · ≈ 9:22 AM

And Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed22:41 · ≈ 9:22 AM

Hartman? Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Mr. Hartman. Ms. Hartman? Aye Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 5-0

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction22:55 · ≈ 9:22 AM

And why don't we go back to A11

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:04 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Chair Hartman, or Chair Williams. I'm going back a year and members of the board we're going to now consider item A11. This is a resolution recognizing Lou Anne Miller. And if Lou Anne could come on up To the podium and I'll go ahead and read the item into the record. Whereas Luann Miller began working at the Isla Vista Youth Projects in 1985, first as the preschool head teacher and then as the executive director of positions she has held since 1986. And whereas Lou is overseeing the expansion of the Isla Vista Youth Projects from a two classroom program to an integrated multi-programmatic agency serving hundreds of children including infants and toddlers and families annually at four facilities.

The Children's Center sits on Phillips Road in the UCSB's West Campus. The after school and summer enrichment program at Isla Vista Elementary School, and the Family Resource Center in downtown Isla Vista. And whereas under Lou's leadership, the Isla Vista Youth Projects has participated in Thrive Community Collaboratives in Santa Barbara County whose goal is readying the next generation of county residents for productive lives. And whereas Lou spearheaded the Youth Project's first capital campaign, which recently completed its initial phase. Enabling the organization to purchase its children-centered building on Phillips Road and ensuring the organization's long term sustainability. And whereas Lou has ensured that the I Live As A Youth project remains dedicated to the ideal that all children deserve the same opportunities to realize their potential.

That early childhood education is the key to unlocking that potential and that families need support and services to help their children thrive. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors recognize Lou Anne Miller's tremendous career in service to the children and families of our county upon her retirement from the Isla Vista Youth Projects, passed and adopted today.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7725:05 · ≈ 9:25 AM

Luann Miller has led the Ivy Youth Project and it is an amazing legacy to see those eager, engaged little faces. And what bringing organizations throughout a community together to serve children in their families It's one of the most inspiring things I've seen and it really is a model for what every child in this county, we ought to aspire for them. And Luanne, it's an amazing tribute and I just want to acknowledge while he's here Arthur Kennedy who has been a long time volunteer everyday at the youth project and you inspire people to do that.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction25:51 · ≈ 9:25 AM

It's not traditional for us to go around and make speeches, but I'll just add that I was one of those bright little faces or more likely surly and troubled little faces. But Loanne's program was really wonderful for me at a time when I otherwise would be in fourth grade wandering the streets of Isla Vista so thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed26:16 · ≈ 9:26 AM

Well, thank you very much. It's been just a joy to spend 33 years at Isla Vista Youth Projects and it's not often that you get up every day and enjoy going to work and I'm very blessed to have that. And I also know that it's been the perfect intersection of skill set and passion and faith to be able to do this work. I've stood at this podium many, many years. As an advocate for children and families, especially for Isla Vista. And I appreciate your good work and your leadership and ask that you support our new executive director Lori Goodman who began her position yesterday. She has hit the ground running and is a very skilled and knowledgeable person and I have all the confidence in the world. About her leadership at the youth projects and taking it to the next level.

So thank you for your support, and this is a very nice recognition. And I'm off on retirement. Happy travels. We

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction27:24 · ≈ 9:27 AM

have one more item pulled by the public.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed27:27 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Chair Williams, member of the board. Item number A14 is sponsored by Supervisors Williams and Hartman. This is to consider recommendations regarding a resolution opposing new offshore oil leases in federal waters off the California coast. And we have four requests to speak from the public on this. Start with Mr. Caldwell to be followed by Kristen Hislop.

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PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated27:54 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. We object to this item on a number of grounds. First of all you're criticizing the federal government for not having more than one hearing and you didn't schedule this for a hearing. You put it on the not only put it on the admin calendar you put it on the admin calendar late as an addendum even though the comment period doesn't close until March 9th So I really don't feel there's any reason for that. If you had until March 9th, you could have properly scheduled this to give people notice because there's more opinions on this item than just is reflected in it. So we would ask that you reschedule this so that more people can Now with regard to our opinion on this, I'm going to just use the word déjà vu all over again.

There was a time when we tankered oil by barge or what have you from offshore platforms and people thought that that was too dangerous even though we pretty much have calm waters out there and they don't have hidden reefs and things like that. They didn't want Oil tankered or barged. So what did we do? We encouraged the oil companies to put in pipelines. Now the Feds are interested in leasing again and you guys are saying, you and the Coastal Commission and others, not maybe officially but the message is loud and clear. We'll sue you, we'll drag our feet, we won't permit or do anything to enable the facilitation of this project which could just lead the FEDS and the oil companies to say well tanker it.

See, we haven't thought this thing through. The other thing is everybody still wants to hang their hat on 1969. The spill two years ago was relatively minor and the spill technically wasn't in the ocean it was on the land And yet we're treating it as an ocean spill when that wasn't what it was. It ended up contaminating the ocean, but you know we used to talk about the missing gap in Watergate tapes. We like to know about the missing gap between when county fire was alerted by the time somebody brought out a bulldozer or did other things. I think that warrants some review and reflection But the bottom line, have you ever thought of how much oil was safely produced between 1969 and 2015?

How much energy, how many tankers didn't have to come from the Middle East? How much drilling may not have been done in Alaska or other sensitive places. You're not looking at the big picture and finally, you'll fight the feds on oil And you'll fight them in reverse on marijuana. That doesn't make any sense to us. We'd ask you to schedule this departmental, it's the right thing to do.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed31:07 · ≈ 9:31 AM

Kristen Hislop to be followed by Alina Simon.

CommentKristen HislopProposedself-stated31:13 · ≈ 9:31 AM

Good morning, supervisors. I'm Kristen Hislop, the Marine Conservation Program Director at the Environmental Defense Center. I thank you for your consideration of this important resolution and I urge you to adopt it in order to protect our channel and coastline from risky offshore oil practices. As you know many counties and cities along the California coast have adopted similar resolutions to support one a ban on new offshore drilling fracking and related techniques. Two, a ban on new onshore development that would support offshore oil and gas. Three, a phase out of gas and oil extraction. And four, a framework to develop new responsible renewable energy projects. So we applaud these efforts and we support the county as well to adopt a similar resolution.

As I'm sure you all know as well, EDC was founded after the 1969 oil spill which did have devastating impacts on our community and environment. And as we heard that spill was nearly 50 years ago which is a long time but we also know that the potential for such disasters remains just as strong today. We most recently felt the impacts of oil in our coastline with with the 2015 Plains American Pipeline rupture. And despite these real and ongoing threat that offshore oil and gas poses to our coastal communities, the federal government is pushing to open our coastline to new oil and gas development. This effort is in direct opposition of our state's and our community's overwhelming interest in moving away from fossil fuels. The West Coast governors have stated their opposition as have other elected officials, cities, counties, and thousands of individuals.

At the same time, the federal government is working to expand offshore oil and gas. It is also making efforts to roll back important safety regulations that were put in place after the disastrous Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill. So with increased drilling coupled with reduced regulations we're bound to have more disasters So we must continue to stand up against the threats from the federal government to expand oil drilling and approve dangerous techniques like fracking and acidizing. It is critical that the county demonstrate to the government by adopting this resolution, that we want to see an end to offshore oil and gas development, and that it is our top priority to prevent the next spill on our coast. And I submitted a letter with much of the same information last night but I'm going to give a hard copy now.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed33:19 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Alina Simon to be followed by Katie Davis

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CommentElena SimonProposedself-stated33:26 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Supervisor Williams, board. Thank you. My name's Elena Simon, Santa Barbara County organizer with Food and Water Watch. I also submitted a letter this morning but I'm gonna give you a copy just in case and then I'm just gonna read a couple paragraphs and share the signers with you. So thank you for your leadership introducing this resolution. Offshore drilling is fundamentally at odds with our coastal economy and our way of life. Santa Barbara County has one of the most spectacular coastal areas in the nation. Californians and people from all over the world come here to fish, hike, surf, kayak and more.

The coastal environment supports nearly 15,000 jobs and contributes $656 million to Santa Barbara County's economy annually through tourism and recreation alone. Santa Barbara County knows all too well the devastation from oil spills. The 1969 spill in the 2015 refugio spill are reminders of the harms that oil development has on our beaches economy and environment New offshore oil leases would increase the likelihood of another devastating oil spill, which can shut down fisheries, shutter beachside businesses and deter campers and tourists from visiting our beautiful coastline.

New offshore oil leases would also deepen our dependence on fossil fuels, exacerbating climate change and threatening our communities with sea level rise, fires, droughts and floods. So thank you for introducing this. I'll share some of the supporters, so Food and Water Watch, Santa Barbara Sierra Club, 350 Santa Barbara, SBCAN, Center for Biological Diversity, Santa Barbara Standing Rock Coalition, Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice, Ocean Conservation Research, Pacific Environment, California Coastal Protection Network, Student Activists UCSB, CalPERS Students UCSB and Indivisible Carpinteria.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed35:18 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Thank you. Katie Davis Thanks Rob and Katie's our final speaker on this item

CommentKatie DavisProposedself-stated35:31 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Hi, thank you. I'm Katie Davis, Chair of the Santa Barbara Sierra Club and I want to echo the comments before thanking you for passing this resolution opposing offshore oil. This is not a controversial in California or indeed in most other coastal states. Goleta which experienced the brunt of that oil spill in 2015 in which our beaches were closed and hundreds of animals washed up dead passed a resolution unanimously on their consent calendar. Santa Barbara has reaffirmed opposition to offshore oil so many times over the years it's really hard to keep track Indeed, there have been no new leases in the Pacific in the past 35 years under both Republican and Democratic administrations including a moratorium issued by George H. Bush. This is standard.

The fact that Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke recently stated that there would be no drilling off Florida Because it's unique and has an important fishing and tourism industry. Shows that even the current administration understands the risks, and that some places need to be protected. California is the sixth largest economy in the world at 80% of our GDP is in coastal counties. A deep water horizon type spill here would bring down the US economy.

We'd lose the richest ecosystem in the world and affect millions of people. That's why, that's why the previous administration didn't even consider including the Pacific in their lease plan. And even without a spill in federal waters they're allowed to dump the polluted wastewater from fracking back into the ocean. We have enough issues with water quality and runoff without adding extra toxins we don't need to. That concludes public comment on this item. Is there board comment or questions?

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction37:27 · ≈ 9:37 AM

Yes? Supervisor Adam, we were all waiting up here for you to say something. Everyone held back putting their light on. Just out of respect for you. Oh there's one more public comment. Then come on up Bob. He's under general public comment. Bob are you seeking to comment on this item or general public comment? Okay we're not getting there yet, but we will get there Bob.

Supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed38:08 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Probably just didn't want to hear what I had

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction38:10 · ≈ 9:38 AM

to say. No everyone

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed38:12 · ≈ 9:38 AM

here

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction38:12 · ≈ 9:38 AM

held back on their lights just for you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed38:17 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Well I appreciate that, thank you. Well listen as predictable, I couldn't disagree more with all the comments or many of the comments. This production is critical to our economy and our own cash flow and that shouldn't be lost on those of us on the dais. This product can be safely produced with a minimum of risk. There is always a little bit of risk, you can't take all the risk out of anything but I think that it can be safely produced and these uses can peacefully coexist with other uses that we're concerned about here in this resolution. So I don't oppose new offshore leases and development, and I hope that the Trump administration goes ahead with these. And I won't be supporting this motion.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction39:11 · ≈ 9:39 AM

Other comments or questions from the supervisors? Supervisor Wolk.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed39:16 · ≈ 9:39 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair and thank you and Supervisor Hartman for bringing this forward. I am in full support of this and I think it is very timely. I appreciate the speaker who talked about the relaxation of safety procedures that were enacted during the BP oil spill. And the Trump administration is looking to loosen those protections. So, which I just find appalling for an industry that actually seemed to have welcomed some of those protections to ensure and Give the public some reassurance that they were trying to protect the environment and now it appears that those protections will likely be taken away.

Aside from that, this board has in We've taken actions, I recall during the Drill Baby Drill action. Supervisor Carbajal and I brought an item to the board at that time opposing offshore oil leases. We have a new administration right now, and I think that we need to stand up for our environment. We need to stand up for alternative forms of energy. This is, and we just heard from our speaker the number of organizations who are also in support of this resolution.

And I think that this notion, you know I've always talked about the notion of monetizing land for money has to be considered very carefully with a balanced approach. And now it's monetizing our ocean waters that we take so seriously. And the impact, not just to our tourists as you point out in the resolution and wildlife. The amount of destruction is insurmountable in my opinion and again I'm going to vote in favor of this resolution and appreciate that you brought this.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction41:36 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Thank you, Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7741:41 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair. The proposal to expand drilling in waters offshore in California is indefensible and inexcusable. It's indefensible because when Interior Secretary Zinke explained why he was exempting Florida's entire Atlantic coast, and a third of its Gulf Coast from any new oil and gas platforms it was because quote, Florida is unique and its coast is heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver.

But according to NOAA studies, California's tourism and recreation economy accounts for 17.6 billion in Florida is less about 10 billion. Either the administration's objectives are personal. Mar-a-Lago is located on Florida's exempt Atlantic coast. or political, a desire to promote the senatorial candidacy of Florida's current governor. Both reasons are indefensible, arbitrary and capricious at best.

The OCS proposal is inexcusable because of the administration's recent actions to eliminate safeguards. On December 7th When we were focused on fires, the Interior Department ordered the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine. This is the organization chartered by Congress to provide expert advice to stop work on a report focused on how to best avoid a repeat of the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

Offshore Louisiana, the worst oil spill in US history. Killing 11 workers, spilling 200 million gallons of oil with environmental and public health damage that continues yet today. Can you even imagine if a local government were to cut off an after incident report post disaster? Closing off any possibility of discovering what could be learned to protect human health and safety going forward.

Then on December 29th, the administration rolled back rules for the OCS safety systems including safety and pollution prevention equipment under C safety devices and device testing. And a requirement that safety and pollution prevention equipment be inspected by certified independent auditors. So the proposal would greatly extend the expanse of drilling offshore while radically cutting back health and safety precautions.

In risk benefit language, these policies increase both the magnitude and the probability of risk when you want to do the exact opposite. It's a recipe for disaster, especially in Santa Barbara County where the vast majority of people live within 30 minutes of the coast which shapes our very identity as a community. That is why I join with Chairman Williams in putting forth this resolution.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8744:50 · ≈ 9:44 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair, I do want to thank Supervisor Hartman and Williams for bringing this forward so that we could discuss it. Maybe it should have been in a D agenda where more people got to hear about it but I'll give you my take on it. I thought it was interesting one of the speakers said that if we do drill there, it will deepen our dependence on oil. And I don't really see it that way. It's this country likes to say that we want to divorce ourselves from oil and petroleum products but we don't.

And the fact is, we're using 20 million barrels of oil a day in this country. That is 7.2 billion barrels every year. So even with all of our move towards renewables which I support, renewable still only account for less than 15% of our energy. So if we're not going to divorce ourselves from it, it leaves us two choices. We either develop it ourselves or we look at the countries that are developing this resource and I did a little homework and saw that from ca.gov the number one place that we import from California in 2016 34% of our oil came from Saudi Arabia.

So let's, then I went to Human Rights Watch. This is who we're supporting. A country who just jailed somebody for 15 years for peaceful protests for calling out the abuses of human rights in Saudi Arabia. A blogger, Raif Badawi was just flogged in 2015 and given 10 years for the same incident In March of last year, Alla Brindji got five years for tweeting support of allowing women the opportunity to drive.

Adult women must conform to male guardianship system they have to be chaperoned in public. I guess a move in the right direction was 38 women were just elected That's out of 3,200 members but they're only able to participate by video because they can't be in the same room as men. They still have public beheadings and they have the death penalty for homosexual activity.

So you know if we don't go to Saudi Arabia we have other countries in Latin America that we get our oil from as well but they are third world countries that generally have environmentally lax rules If you look at Brazil which is in our top 10, their government is overseeing the incredible deforestation of the Amazon. You know I think it gets back, for me it's that same sort of NIMBY mentality is we're going to continue using this product. And like I said, I applaud those and I know there are members on this board that drive electric vehicles and I applaud that and I will always be up here supporting our push for renewables but the fact of the matter is we're still using this product and for me it's either going to be done here under the most stringent environmental regulations that you could ever find, or we're going to continue to support either third world countries or those who abuse women.

And I just don't see a... It just seems like we're using the product and we're turning a blind eye to where we get it from. So I can't support the resolution.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction48:38 · ≈ 9:48 AM

Thank you. And I too believe that we should not be turning a blind eye from where we get it from. The energy independence argument almost gets me, and in fact it gets me, I guess from my perspective in a deeper fashion. There's no good place to get oil from. And I do believe that our task number one should be to live our values and reduce our own dependence as a county, both in government and as individuals.

So that we are leading by example, and I for one do not believe that all the fault in this whole thing lies at the feet of oil companies. I think that's just too easy of a thing for us to do is to say well It's just their fault, it's not my fault when we're using the stuff. But if we really are going to live our values, if we really are going to depart from fossil fuel addiction then The last thing we need to do is open up a lot more of it in our backyard. And I would also argue that with the exception of the Trankian Ridge, most of that is extremely viscous and difficult to refine so it's very high carbon content oil.

So to me the proposal of the administration either seems Ridiculous or dangerous, I'm not completely sure which. Ridiculous from the economic standpoint right now where the price of oil is so low and And because the quality of oil that we have on most of the coast is so poor, that most of our operations are going out of business right now. Not because of any actions of environmentalists but because of the failure of our pipeline operator to really meet the safety expectations of the community and perhaps with a lot that's for something We'll see in court later on.

And so it's either ridiculous, right? It's opening up leases when economically people are folding or it's dangerous. It's opening up leases in a manner where we would depart from the adequate health and safety needs of this community and I also Really appreciated Supervisor Hartman accentuating the sort of political double standard that this is being done under.

Florida, which apparently is Extremely important to some Republican political interests seems to be exempt from this while a state full of Democrats seem to be the focus of drilling. And so, to me that seems like a double standard that our community is going to pay the price for. I also believe that, oh and before I wrap up I want to say a mea culpa. I put it on the A agenda largely because of how full our And because I generally think that though it was important for us to make a stand, because the comment period is closing next month. Yeah, I didn't want to make this into a big acrimonious fight that takes away from the other things that we need to do.

So that's the reason why I put it on the agenda. Supervisor Hartman?

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7753:05 · ≈ 9:53 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair, I just wanted to add that it takes at least five to seven years to complete the leasing process. Southern California Edison has come out with a new study that shows that by 2030 we can be 80% electric. We can really move this quickly so there's no reason not to focus on that rather than dirty dangerous oil.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction53:31 · ≈ 9:53 AM

I agree. I mean, I got to tell you the models that are out now are cheap, are affordable and have long range. And just in my personal experience as a person who barely makes it economically in this community is that they really work. Electric vehicles really work in this community and that's where we need to be going from this. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed54:01 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to comment on the argument of energy independence and I'm just referencing an article from The Hill respected paper that was dated November 16th 2017. And I went back to this because I seem to recall this issue that the United States crude oil exports are soaring this year in China Is its single largest buyer for waterborne sales.

So we are exporting oil that we are producing here, so this notion of energy independence I think is a false commentary On this issue, because certainly there's more involved in oil trade than just talking about one country that has a poor record of civil rights issues.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed55:13 · ≈ 9:55 AM

Yeah, I just want to with some hesitation go back into this idea that we can survive without oil. You may be able to put a lot of people in Priuses and they may get along okay and everything but you're losing sight of how you get all the stuff that you have at your stores And where your food comes from. I mean, my little farm who a couple of you have been to uses at least a truckload of diesel every week.

And you don't understand how much it takes to get all of those boxes of produce to the stores. And even out of the field and produced and everything else, so it's not something that you can just put a Prius out there hauling produce to stores across the country. That's that's not going to work and you know if we if we And I'm very interested in the hydrogen project because I think that's something that we could we could actually adapt To a farm equipment, which is where an enormous amount of fuel gets used But apparently they don't really see the potential there because that's not really what they're interested in so You know, I think that you have to take a little bit and notwithstanding the resolution.

You have to take a little Larger view, longer view of this problem because there's other costs involved. And if we went to very extreme measures and we were to say okay well Outlaw all of the fuel in the state of California. It would put all the farms in California out of business, because there's literally no way to adapt to that. We already have a labor shortage. It's not like you could just dump more people on it and try to make up for the lack of that energy source.

And so you'd have your food coming from other countries and it would cost an astronomical amount more than it costs a day to feed yourself. So I think those are things that you need to be aware of as you go through all this, and there you go.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction58:18 · ≈ 9:58 AM

I think you make some good points. I don't think our goal is to eliminate 100% overnight, it's to reduce and my just strong belief is that if we all were doing our utmost to reduce our dependence then we would not be in this difficulty or this quandary and not be contributing to larger problems both in this state and globally. And we also appreciate that you're producing food here locally and doing your part to reduce emissions even with that amount of diesel over products coming from Chile or elsewhere, so we appreciate you Supervisor Adam for reducing carbon emissions too.

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7759:07 · ≈ 9:59 AM

Yes, two things. First I would like to say Supervisor Adam, I would love to partner with you on hydrogen moving that forward here in Santa Barbara County and I believe the county is going to have its first one or two vehicles within the next year. The other thing is I'd like to move this resolution. I'll second.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction59:26 · ≈ 9:59 AM

There's a motion and a second. Roll call?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed59:29 · ≈ 9:59 AM

Ms. Wolff? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye. Mr. Adams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed59:34 · ≈ 9:59 AM

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed59:35 · ≈ 9:59 AM

Mr. Lavinino? No. Mr Williams? Aye. Passes three to two. Chair Harmon, members of the board I just want to clarify one thing earlier we took a motion to adopt items on the administrative agenda including the balance of the administrative agenda and I also listed off some continuances including A7D3 and then items D1 2 & 3 and I just want to confirm that those were a part of that motion. I thought they were but I just wanted That's right. Yeah, okay thank you.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:00:09 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Okay public comment for items not on the agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:00:15 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Chair Williams and members of the board we have five requests this morning. We're going to start with Nancy McCrady be followed by Robert Hanson. Nancy.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:00:31 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Long time no see. Yeah we've missed you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:00:36 · ≈ 10:00 AM

What is supportive housing to you? Supportive housing, to me, is when we place mentally ill people in housing that they should have some kind of support to keep them in that housing. I'm finding out such as Tony who it's up to the discretion of the manager I find out He had a dirty bathroom floor, so he's docked one. He has three docks. His second was a bad one because he brought a girlfriend home just for the day.

So he was docked for that. He has one more dock and he lives in fear that he is going to lose and go back to the streets because he was on the streets for 15 years Having to deal with pretending he's president, listening to computers in his head and pretending his friends are angels is very very difficult for him. And it would not be good for him to go out on the streets again so I'm worried.

My girlfriend's daughter Jackie is bipolar. She decided that she didn't need to be on her lithium because the side effects were too horrible. So she got herself off of lithium and they kicked her out of her housing rather than coming together with an intervention to get her back on her medicine, and now she's running amok Not knowing what to do, she's fearful, she's scared.

And I seem to feel that I need to talk about this to you people to see if there is something we can improve upon as far as supportive housing goes. I'm really, really scared for these people Because I know how hard it is for them to be out on the streets. That's basically all I have to say, I just wanted to let people know this is happening and I wish we could fix it.

And I want to see my girlfriend's daughter back into housing because she is flitting from motel to men who are after her in a way that we don't want ourselves And so I'm just worried about them. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:03:25 · ≈ 10:03 AM

Robert Hanson, held by Jeff Bard.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:03:26 · ≈ 10:03 AM

Howdy. You know we hear about end homelessness. That's not real. Let's keep it real. These people deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. They are Santa Barbara citizens, but they're unhoused. LA voted millions and millions of dollars for housing of the unhoused LA citizens. Governor Brown said that a quarter of the unhoused people in America live in California.

You know we drive around town lately I've only been in town just a few weeks they're sleeping everywhere you know Not just on State Street, you go down some side street they're there on the sidewalk or something like that. Not drinking and stuff, they're just sleeping. We can do better. So I'm asking the city and the county to investigate these abuses of unhoused people.

The abuses are Just like the movie that's going to be playing at the first filming over here is called The Public. In a town back east, people are in the library. There was a snowstorm outside. They're told to get out. This happens in Santa Barbara too. We used to have the armory. There was a volleyball game in there. It's raining. You know what the homeless are doing? Waiting in line in the rain to get into the armory. Why couldn't they have them just go off to the side and sit? Oh no!

Fear. The only thing to fear is fear itself. We met a person the other day, Nancy and I. He just came up with all this bullshit about the homeless. It's getting better on stage for me but man oh I'm afraid, I'm afraid. So anyway, we're going to go to the film festival and try to shame Santa Barbara because we are just like the public. This was a snowstorm. Even during the fire it wasn't really put out 24-7 for the homeless to get out of that fire in the smoke. There was a place out in the university run by the Red Cross and it worked good but still even PATH if you were part of the program you could come in And stay during the day. But if you weren't, 6 o'clock out. Same with the Freedom Warming Center. I've been there. It's raining outside at six o'clock in the morning.

You got to get out. Why? The children in the area. Most homeless people are pretty nice people that just don't have a home. We talk about I was down in Veracruz Park just yesterday. There are people, some people are doing this and that, they do it in their houses. It's your discretion if I get a little bit more time. No! Well that's okay because it was your discretion but anyway we'll hit the film festival and we'll try to shame Santa Barbara and tell the truth.

A lot of abuse is happening. Thank you, Bob.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:06:51 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Our next speaker is Jeff Bard to be followed by Michael Warnken

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CommentJeff BardProposedself-stated1:06:57 · ≈ 10:06 AM

Good morning Mr. Chair and members of the board my name is Jeff Bard I was appointed to a four-year term on the South Coast Homeless Advisory Committee and that was preempted by the C3H but I do take the initial commitment quite seriously spin off with my private charity Action Versus Infectious Disease unfortunately we've curtailed operations due to the loss of the Reverend Dr. Douglas J Miller Pancreatic cancer.

Our primary focus has been for the past five or six years, public health education and outreach to vulnerable populations primarily but not exclusively the houseless. I would like to draw your attention to two current potential emergency situations which may develop in the ensuing weeks and months. Hepatitis A outbreak And influenza H3N2. As you may know, undoubtedly know that Hep A resulted in approaching 20 deaths among the houseless in San Diego. It spread as far north as Santa Cruz, Utah and Arizona and the city of San Diego resorted to mass arrests and an ad hoc sponsored city and that outbreak dropped out of the headlines mysteriously.

The influenza that is now hot upon us is largely preventable through good hygiene. I call upon you and your capacity as pretenders of the annual Community Development Block and HUD grants to the houseless shelter systems, to hold Freedom Warming Center and PATH accountable for enforcing and educating and teaching guidelines on infectious disease prevention in emergency shelters and housing.

Every single time they come in for a grant, there should be a component of their grant proposal verbally in writing indicating what they are going to do. When I first started on this issue I warned us. Thereafter, both public health nurses assigned to the house got pneumonia. One of them had about six weeks. Influenza laboratory diagnosed influenza pneumonia.

After I started there was a tuberculosis outbreak. Ground zero. Rescue mission Los Angeles. Which irresponsibly lost 4000 names of people who needed to be contact traced. Goes on and on and on, the mismanagement of infectious disease outbreaks goes all the way back to the 1918 Spanish flu. So we promote hand washing, cough etiquette, elbow coughing, knuckle bumping in lieu of handshakes, and voluntary vaccination. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:09:58 · ≈ 10:09 AM

Michael Warren can be followed by Doug Weinstein.

CommentLou Anne Miller'sProposed · by introduction1:10:04 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Yeah, I want to start by saying it's good for me to see Bob Hanson here and his wife. I don't always agree with his approach or even all of his thoughts but he puts a face on homelessness and he does more. Even, I think there's a person who's hired Who's like in charge of homelessness for the county, and I almost think he does a better job than that person making $100,000. Anyway, I'm going to continue from last week, and I'm aware that I might run into loggerheads with all this so I'm ready.

And I haven't really prepared myself as well as last week, just going to lay it out. So Doug was held in contempt last week. For not being able to pay support that he couldn't possibly pay. Judge Geck held him in contempt, she's put him in jail twice and looks like she's going to be putting him in jail again. And like I say the actions of our government officials with no checks and balances whatsoever. We have 120 reps in Sacramento and we have five here which I guess that's the legislative power of the community yet that's not enough people to actually do their job, hold people accountable.

It sounds like we're setting up standards like you can't, I guess slander. There's no slander here. I've got documentation to prove everything I said last week. It's absolutely ridiculous. It's scary in fact. You're supposed to be able to come to your legislative branch. You're supposed to petition for redress of grievances and they're supposed to take those petitions.

There's a great quote by the US Supreme Court. It is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently at every affair of government and talk much about what it sees. It's meant to be the eyes, the ears, the wisdom, the will of its constituents. If Congress and a representative body does not have the means of acquainting itself with the administrative branch of government, the citizens remain helpless to how they're being served. And if Congress does not sift from every form of discussion, the citizens shall remain in embarrassing crippling ignorance of very affairs they should understand and direct.

Five of you don't know what's happening. Five of you can't investigate, I don't believe five of you could hold anybody accountable. We haven't had an impeachment since 1929. The judiciary and frankly every branch of government is acting flagrantly. Everybody who has police power they hammer people. The only government agency that I believe actually does its job more consistently than any other is Dog Catcher And I believe that and they have a financial incentive to actually go in and investigate. So Doug's been held in contempt, again set support beyond what she can do, what he could possibly pay. And I believe there is a financial incentive for the county unfortunately to set support high so therefore they get kickbacks and that's absolutely disgusting.

I don't know it's first amendment this is petitioning for redress but I don't believe unless we have enough representatives, they'll actually look into anything and this is not a democratic system. So anyway that's it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:13:03 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Thank you. Doug Weinstein to be followed by Mr. Caldwell.

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CommentDoug WeinsteinProposedself-stated1:13:12 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Hi. I'm Doug Weinstein. I'm here because it was brought to my attention that Mr. Warnken and a few others who have been tracking multiple cases in the court system and fighting the good fight mentioned my name and brought up my case, so I thought I'd come and introduce myself and share a little bit about My experience, and I know you don't oversee the courts or the judges.

However, I think you have some influence in the DA's office and the sheriff's department, the Department of Child Support Services. I'm a 54-year old Jewish father of three. I've got a 23 year old straight A student at Long Beach City College. Got a 10 year old son here Eight year old daughter. I attend Congregation Bene Brith regularly, I volunteer, I help feed the homeless.

I volunteer at the Jewish Federation. I'm being trained and certified as a CASA. As a result of my experience of being a mentor with Walk With Sally which is an inner city mentoring program for kids who have a parent with cancer. I pay my taxes. I pay rent on a big house in San Ines. They paid property taxes, so I support the county. I follow the rules. I was a pastry chef for 30 years because I needed rules to follow.

I do what I'm supposed to do to the best of my ability. The issue here is that Judge Donna Geck seems to rule by her own Guidelines she has said to me in many cases when I've asked for authority. She says my authority is a judge I came up here Thinking I was gonna be we sold the house in Long Beach moved the business up here in the move I was told that wasn't part of the business and they wanted a divorce I came up here with no money with no contacts, but my children were here so I struggled to survive and I made it and I've paid to the best of my ability and for the last six months have paid not only full child support but arrears. This contempt charge is the third that was filed privately by the council rather than by the Department of Child Support Services, and I don't know if you're familiar with the process but once somebody Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting To enforce their own rules, and I believe that's a department that you oversee.

They have neglected to show up in court even though rule 17404 F2 which requires the respondent to file a 30 day notice prior to filing a private collection or enforcement motion. The respondent under oath admitted that neither she nor her attorney did that. Yet Judge Geck says, well it's too late for that. I don't have a lot of time but- I need you to

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:16:23 · ≈ 10:16 AM

wrap up Mr. Weinstein.

CommentDoug WeinsteinProposedself-stated1:16:24 · ≈ 10:16 AM

30 seconds. The original order of the court had a custody provision which stated Easter Sunday takes priority over Passover and Thanksgiving takes priority over Hanukkah. violating my First Amendment right to freedom of religion, restricting my kids expression and without any remedy or anything that violated my constitutional rights and rendered that order null and void. The Sheriff's Department refused to take my complaint until I complained enough that they did the district attorney refused to accept that case. I met Dave, I don't know his last name, Dave the supervising attorney at the DA's office. You've given us a lot of information you've got ahead of me. And he told me that the judiciary pressures the DA to make these things go away.

All I'm asking you to do is to investigate the fact that the courts including Judge Herman have violated the law and have committed hate crimes under the color of law. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:17:30 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Andy Caldwell.

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated1:17:36 · ≈ 10:17 AM

Chair Williams, members of the Board. The previous item we were discussing on A14 one of the board members brought up the constant Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. I want to start with the concept of double standards. That's really what I wanted to talk to you about. We believe that what the county did after the debris flow was essential i.e., dumping the mud at Goleta Beach and hauling it to Ventura and eventually If somebody in the private sector were to go and dump debris at the beach and call it beach nourishment, they'd be subject to a felony prosecution.

If a farmer or rancher anybody else dumps temporarily stored debris in the San Ynez River bed, they'd be subject to a felony. So the question is Why is it that the government could do these things, but the private sector can't? And I said all of that to say this. Where are the private homeowners and landowners going to dump their mud? Is the county and the state and the feds going to call it hazardous material?

Are they going to have to haul it to a hazardous waste facility at their own expense? Is there gonna be any federal assistance, is that federal assistant gonna be alone versus some sort of aid. And nobody's talking about this. And you know the bottom line, there was a quote in one of the local papers when somebody was complaining about them dumping it at Gleta Beach. And again we're not criticizing and he had to do it to save lives.

And plus environmentally speaking that's where Mother Nature would have washed it and flushed it anyway if we didn't have all the human environment built environment in between. And so we consider some of that almost a natural process but You have to ask yourself what's an emergency and when somebody said why are you dumping it here, I said we don't have the luxury of other options.

Because it's our emergency, it's government's emergency, it is the community's emergency but as you mentioned Exxon and Veneco didn't cause the pipeline break And they were threatened with the loss of all their jobs, all their revenue plus the tax revenue. They asked for an emergency permit to truck. We said no it's not an emergency under our land use code and we don't want to have that many trucks on the freeway.

Are you looking at how many trucks are on the freeway from your emergency versus theirs? Why couldn't they have the luxury of options? And what I'm talking to you about today is double standards Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:20:43 · ≈ 10:20 AM

That concludes public comment.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:20:49 · ≈ 10:20 AM

We are going to take department agenda item number four because the other three items have been continued. Sure, we can take a 10 minute break first and then we will reconvene

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:21:10 · ≈ 10:21 AM

It was my understanding we were going to consider five and six, then come back to four? Was that the intent of the

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:21:17 · ≈ 10:21 AM

board? That's right. Okay thank you for that reminder. We will come back in ten minutes for department agenda item five. Music. You. ♪ Yeah.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:28:02 · ≈ 10:28 AM

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:36:28 · ≈ 10:36 AM

We'll reconvene and hear departmental item 5, Thomas Flood update.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:36:36 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board, Item number five is from the County Executive Office. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an update on the Thomas Flood disaster and recovery efforts.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:36:46 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Mr. Chair? Yeah, can I ask a question? What happened to item four?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction1:36:57 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Yes. We made that announcement just before the break that we're hearing D5 and D6 and then D4.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:37:06 · ≈ 10:37 AM

Okay. Thank you very much. Sorry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:37:12 · ≈ 10:37 AM

Mr. Lewin please proceed.

PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated1:37:24 · ≈ 10:37 AM

Okay, good morning. I'm Robert Lewin, Chair and Supervisors. What we'd like to do is bring to you a report on the process that we're under with the overall disaster that we've all been working on. My part here is I'd like to give you a status update on the current situation. As well as a look down into the future of where we're going. We've been through many milestones in the two disasters, of course, the milestone of containment of the Thomas Fire and then preparation for this storm.

Huge efforts were made in preparation of the storms, in light of what we were seeing. And unfortunately those preparations proved to be needed and the efforts and the storm that we were handed was much greater. And with that, we began search and rescue. It's good to say that the search and rescue portion is a milestone that's behind us. The search and recovery, while it still continues, bringing people that were lost together with their loved ones continues.

But that effort is in a different phase. We were able to open Highway 101 which was a remarkable feat by many. We began the repopulation and concluded that last Saturday for those folks that have homes to return to. And now we move into the period of recovery. It's a strong pivot, and yesterday we began that process with a new organization which Mr Pontus will be presenting on.

The part of the recovery will include the continued efforts on clearing our debris basins, of course. Right now they're 33% complete. We have to continue on clearing the channels to make sure that those are safe as we can make them, removing blockages. It's a big order, it's a lot of debris and it's a lot of effort. We need to figure out how to manage the private property debris and in a little bit I'm gonna share with you where we're headed on that.

And we need to begin the recovery of the community. And look into the future to see how that community wants to be and how we can assist them in getting there. I'm glad to say that the utilities are all up and running, we have a few things that still need to occur, gas needs to be turned on as you've heard much about. And we have some boil order waters that are still in place but the testing for And in the next couple of days, we'll find that most of the boil order orders will be removed. The hot springs area is particular concern with the need for boil order.

Overall on the debris basins, the target date right now is March 15th when the Santa Monica, the most difficult and the longest one to be able to do will be completed. There's right now three that are completed in their cleanup. Those are the Montecito Water Basin, the Cold Springs Water Basin and the Franklin Basin. And we hope today or tomorrow that we'll be able to announce that the San Ysidro Basin has been cleared. Again, 33% of the effort on the overall 11 basins is done.

As far as damaged and destroyed properties our building officials have completed their inspection process. Potentially there could be other ones that will be brought to their attention but for now We have a total of 590 total structures that were inspected And of those, 241 were designated as red. 151 is yellow and 198 are green. Red of course means that the places are not habitable.

The yellow means that they have mud around them and potentially under them. And the green means they have some damage but they're habitable. There are 444 parcels that touch or are within the area we call the disaster zone boundary. Now, the questions that I'm sure you have been receiving and we have been receiving in the last few days. Have been particularly about what is the future of the disaster zones?

And what are we going to do about the mud and debris on private property? Let me try to address those, but with the understanding that we have just now entered into recovery. Our focus all of us you and us in staff and everyone has been of course on the response phase of this. But now we've reached that point where we need to get ahead of these issues. So as far as a disaster zone our first objective of course was to get people home who had homes and that was accomplished on Saturday.

Next, we wanted to get people who have lost their homes or their homes are damaged to be able to return to those properties to gather items. And we wanted them to be able to get their insurance adjusters to the properties and that again began last week when we were able to escort those folks home. Property owners are now able to come and go to their properties, and with their approval, have contractors and others come to the property to assist them.

We recognize that people are entitled to their property rights and at all times, that right is going to be respected and has been respected. People should make sure that they're registered with FEMA and have gone to the local assistance center to get assistance in other needs such as lost documents, unemployment insurance, counseling, information about SBA loans.

Our planning department is almost complete in assigning a case manager to each property These case managers will be able to individually guide each property owner through the process. Each property is unique, they will have their own problems. Some will be simple and others will be very difficult After the local assistance center closes on February 3rd, we'll be opening a disaster recovery center within the community of Montecito. And more information will be out soon on that.

So moving forward, the disaster zones were established and are established to provide security for the properties. Ultimately, we'll be removing the disaster zone as people are able to secure those properties. We need to determine property lines and changes in the water courses. The ground has changed, the topography has changed and it's confusing out there. And we need to work with the property owners on trying to make sure they know where their properties are now.

Soon we'll be providing the public with a map that shows the risk areas from future storms. That will help people who have damaged or destroyed properties in evaluating how they will go forward in their rebuilding. We will refine and adjust the risk areas based on the continuing data that is provided by the scientists. We know that FEMA flood, we'll have to go and redo their flood maps. Adjust them at some point to reflect the changes that have occurred in the water courses.

Again, we are respecting people's property rights. And we'll be looking at which properties should be considered dangerous for rebuilding and make a plan on how that process will unfold. But at this point no decisions have been made on that but we know that we have to address it because it will come up. And what to do about the debris and mud on private property?

For now, we need people to put the mud in an area of their property as we determine where to put the mud. Debris relocation sites, as you know have been difficult issues for this entire incident. As we move to move the public debris somewhere and it continues to be difficult and we continue to work on that. People need to follow the following directions for the good of the community in themselves.

Do not put mud down the sanitary system. It will cause it to fail and it violates law. Do not pile the debris in a location that will cause an impact in future storms. Do not park equipment in areas that could be impacted by future storms. And for now, keep the debris on your property if at all possible. And the options that we're looking at include attaining a transfer site in the general area that people can take their clean mud to. This may be a private transfer site. We hope that we're able to leverage the strength of a private industry to be able to work this transfer site.

There may be value in this mud for farmers and others that need clean soil. There may be value in the rocks as construction material. We need to get that emergency permit we've applied for from the state so that we can create capacity in the Tahecus landfill. Some properties will now have a different elevation, we need to provide guidance so that folks know how to rebuild with the new elevations.

And for small parcels that do not have the ability to store the mud on site, we're looking at options for providing bins or transfer sites within those neighborhoods. Finally, I just want to mention that the risk map will be coming out as soon as we can. We work hard at trying to be able to provide information to the public so they'll know how to respond in future storms.

This is complex. It's not easy to be able to do this but our scientists have given us much information and now we're putting together the plan on how to roll that out. In conclusion, I want to say that unlike a regular flood that's just water or a wildfire. The fact that we are left with all this remaining debris and mud has really complicated the situation for everybody. For us, trying to manage it on public property and of course very difficult for the folks on private property, and that's not lost in anyone. And we're in a ground that California is not used to. This is something new, and we work hard with our FEMA and Cal OES folks who are with us today in the room to be able to try to sort this one out. How we're going to manage this mud and And finally, I just want to say we have much to grieve in this tragedy.

But we also have many accomplishments to celebrate and we have much to do and I'm confident all together we will.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:48:19 · ≈ 10:48 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board, this next phase that we're moving into on the recovery phase has several components As we look at this particular slide, we've broken the components into logical areas very similar to the ICS structure that we have been operating on and under since December 4th when the Thomas Fire started. We activated our EOC. We have a debris management function. And that's where county, state and federal agencies are all coming together to make sure that we have the appropriate places and understand how much debris is on the ground and how much is being transported out of the community.

We have a watershed flood control task force and we have teams set up that are evaluating the watersheds. They're clearing creeks, they're understanding where the creek channels have changed and compiling all that data to help give us recommendations for moving forward. We have a health and human services function where we have county nonprofits, other federal and state agencies working together as Director Lewin talked about with individual assistance. We have our public health department, our behavioral wellness department, Red Cross, and others all working together to serve their community's needs.

We have an infrastructure group that is working together with the various utilities and especially Montecito Fire Department as we combine all of the information. And work on permanent solutions to some of the temporary fixes that have gone up so we could repopulate those communities. We have a public safety area in which county sheriff, CHP, And other agencies have helped us with securing those areas.

And we'll be providing security missions in moving forward to make sure that the community is safe and that folks that have their homes still opened up with belongings are protected. We also have an area that's focused on rebuilding, this is our planning and development department And other agencies to make sure that we are focused on rebuilding those areas quickly. That are out and farther away from their creek channels, and really evaluating the new topography and water courses to make sure that we are rebuilding in a strategic way.

The sheriff has been providing escorts into the exclusion zone for those residents that are hired or hiring contractors to get a first couple looks at the houses and their properties. As Director Lewin described earlier, we have yellow and red tech residences that may not be repopulated yet. We have counselors and Red Cross in the communities to assist those that are returning home.

In having those conversations, and making sure that they have the right personal protective equipment on them as they walk around their homes and evaluate the damage. We've leaned hard and have engaged our volunteers to make sure that they are in the community with our VOAD group. And making sure that everyone is communicating, and that people have the resources they need to begin the recovery process.

We waited for the repopulation until it was safe to repopulate those neighborhoods. And in some of those areas, we had to have the electricity water sanitation restored prior to repopulating those areas. As I discussed, the sheriff and other law enforcement agencies will ensure the security of those areas impacted. The schools reopened. Montecito Union opened last Friday, and private schools in the area have been reopened. The upper village area opened last Wednesday as well as the Coast Village Road area. And that was a great opportunity for those business owners to get in, clean up their businesses and get back to work serving the community.

We also have insurance assistance and through FEMA and through some recent legislation we have some tools available for folks that have been affected by this incident. We also have a lot of challenges as we move through the rebuilding process. There's an estimated 2 million cubic yards of material that was spread across the community. It brought us multiple types of challenges to deal with that mud.

I can tell you that our coordination with State OES and FEMA has been almost flawless throughout the last couple weeks. That includes our county councils and some of their county councils working together to make sure that we have the appropriate permitting. And then we have the appropriate focus on how to safely move that much material, either around in the community or out of the community.

And one of the messaging points that we're sticking with is that the topography hasn't just changed, that it's changing. Nature is changing this and that we believe that subsequent storms will bring more sediment down from the mountains. We have a lot of scientists involved in this and we do believe that with future storm events were not out of the woods yet.

Director Lewin is focused on leading the team on storm readiness at the EOC. So that function of our EOC has not ramped down, we are still focused on making sure that we have the right data and we will be communicating in the next week out to the community on how to be best prepared for the next storm event. We've been focused hard on clearing properties of mud and debris.

We started with the debris basins, because that was the area that posed the highest safety risk to our communities. And 24-7 we have had large dump trucks on the roads through a south coast part of our county moving that material out. We have had a huge focus on the roads and the creeks, clearing those so that they're ready for the next storm. And as we move into this next phase, we're going to introduce a lot of other traffic. As we work with private homeowners on disposal and or places where the debris can be mitigated onsite.

In order to get the community back in their homes, a lot of the infrastructure that was replaced was done so on a temporary basis. With a lot of temporary infrastructure especially the water services and over the months ahead we're going to be working on permanent fixes. And with some of the community leadership there are opportunities for discussion on how to make some of those utilities Either fire safe, if they're power lines or there's been some ideas of changes to the way in which the sanitary runs through the community. There's been discussions on perhaps changing the road widths as well.

The repair and rebuilding process includes also some bridges that were damaged along Highway 192. We have inspectors taking a look at those bridges and evaluating them and the next steps. A big challenge during this The most recent event was to open Highway 101. And so Caltrans worked day and night in order to make sure that that happened, so we could get back our critical link between our communities and get folks back to work.

So within our repair and rebuild area We have dedicated case management teams to residents looking to rebuild their areas and their homes. Put together a model in which we're hoping that there can be a consistency and someone gets assigned to a resident wishing to rebuild their home, and they get led through the process. And if at all possible that the process it's expedited to get them back into the building process.

In some other areas as Director Lewin indicated, We have to reestablish some of our creek channels. Understand in places where the creeks have moved, and then now the creek is in private property, what impacts that has to being able to allow those folks to rebuild? As you're aware we have a local assistance and recovery center up and running. And we are working hard to open a disaster recovery center this week with a target date of February 5th.

And in that model, we're hoping to continue to serve the community until all of the needs are met. That disaster recovery center has FEMA programs and state OES programs alongside with our county staff and programs in order to help serve the community. As we work moving forward, we have to establish some resiliency within the community. We know that the creeks and the stream channels have the potential to do what they did on this storm event. So we have members of the bear team, and the work team, the watershed emergency response team, and the burned area emergency response team working with other scientists to give us as much data as possible so we can make informed decisions as we move and plan for the next event.

Montecito Fire Department has done a great job over the years in wildfire preparedness. They've tried hard to have a fire safe community, and have put shaded fuel breaks and done a lot of work on those efforts. We're gonna be working with them moving forward on how to best educate the community and ensure that we have a community that is ready for the next emergency.

We are putting together a plan and Director Lewin is leading some efforts with our storm readiness, as I mentioned earlier. Soon we're hoping to communicate that to the public within the next week and inform them on what types of things are ahead. FEMA had a great definition of what a whole community is. A whole community understands That the community has complexity, recognizing community capabilities and needs.

That it fosters relationships with our community leaders that we're building and maintaining partnerships, empowering local action, and leveraging and strengthening the social infrastructure networks and assets. We're also focused on lessons learned from other community recovery efforts. We know that we need to act quickly, that we need to actively plan. That we need to engage the whole community develop partnerships networks and coordinate activities and make decisions locally.

So with that we believe that the community engagement is a full development of our human organizational philanthropic and Creative Capital to build a community consistent with the vision that's created by the local residents. And with that, I will turn it back over to you Mr. Chair we have State OES and FEMA representatives here in case there are other questions and Director Lewin is here also.

Thank You.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:00:42 · ≈ 11:00 AM

Questions from Supervisors? Supervisor Wolf

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:00:52 · ≈ 11:00 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Lewin I think you mentioned that there were 241 red tagged and I didn't get the number of yellow tag but my question is for those families that can't return to their homes. Are you following to see if they have found another place to live? Do you know what the status is of those families? I don't know if you keep track of that, I was just wondering.

PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated2:01:28 · ≈ 11:01 AM

Chair and Supervisor, I'm going to talk in sort of a higher view of this. So I can tell you that the folks that were under the care of the Red Cross and that were supported by philanthropists providing them alternative housing out of the shelter, my information right now is there were still three folks that were being cared for. For the greater number of folks, of course they found alternative housing.

And we are hearing that some of them are able to leverage their insurance programs as well for that. But I want to tell you that part of the organization that we've created has a whole section on housing and looking at trying to make sure that we're assisting people in the long term housing for those folks that were displaced. It will be a long time for many of those, and we're not going to shy away from that. And we have folks from behavioral wellness as well as folks from our social services that will be addressing that in a collaborative way with all of us that are working the incident together.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:02:37 · ≈ 11:02 AM

Okay, well that's good. There are so many organizations that are trying to fulfill a lot of different needs. I've seen the Realtors Association. I think there is a Montecito Facebook that has different areas for people to go to if there's rentals available. So from what I'm hearing other than those three everyone to your knowledge has found some place to live?

PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated2:03:06 · ≈ 11:03 AM

I don't want to take, I don't want to confirm that. That's okay. I can tell you that if people need assistance of course we have people that are ready to hear them they can call our call center and we'll try to get them in touch with folks. We know that we have limitations in government but we also know that we have this vast network of folks that are ready in our community to help out as well and the folks that you mentioned of course are part of that plan

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:03:36 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Could you repeat the call center number?

PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated2:03:40 · ≈ 11:03 AM

No, I'm sorry. I will try to get that in the next few minutes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:03:44 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Okay because that would be good so that's still up and running and I know it's been a really good resource. So yeah if you could just provide that later on the preparation going forward. I know you do this, but I just think it's worth mentioning our conversations with the folks at NOAA and down in Oxnard with weather predictions. They're part of your team, correct?

PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated2:04:12 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Absolutely, yes ma'am.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:04:16 · ≈ 11:04 AM

And if I could, Mr. Chair, one final, well maybe it's not final. The debris relocation sites. You know, I knew this was coming up and I went to Sonoma and they have a list of all the possible sites for debris obviously that was for fire but it was for about 1500 sites. And then I looked, our county does have a list. It was put out by Public Works and so there are some areas and I don't know if this is the full list or maybe someone from Public Works can address this. Is this something that people can go to or contractor can go to find a site?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:09 · ≈ 11:05 AM

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Wolf, we just gathered all the information that we have on haulers, contractors that they could hire things like that and we wanted to put it in one place and provide it through the local assistance center.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:05:22 · ≈ 11:05 AM

Okay so people should probably know that this is available. The other thing that's not on here though Mr. McAulpin you see at Santa Maria landfill Simi Valley Landfill, but you don't have Tejiguas. And I know we're looking to Tejiguas to get additional-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:39 · ≈ 11:05 AM

Capacity? Capacity, but- But and that's the reason why it's not on there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:05:43 · ≈ 11:05 AM

But is it not on there because of that? There still can't be any dumping there at this time, even though you're looking for additional capacity.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:53 · ≈ 11:05 AM

At this time no, cuz it would just inundate us and use up the life of the landfill that we have left, the seven or eight years probably in a matter of months. So that's why we're hoping to work through Cal OES with Cal Recycle to get that adjustment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:06:08 · ≈ 11:06 AM

So do these other landfills have that same restriction, do you think?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:06:13 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Not that we know of. I mean, we've discussed Calabasas. They've done a waiver. And that's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:06:18 · ≈ 11:06 AM

right, Calabasis isn't on here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:06:19 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:06:20 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:06:20 · ≈ 11:06 AM

that? We'll get that added to the list because they have a waiver for Thomas Fire and debris flow remains so they'll accept our material.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:06:30 · ≈ 11:06 AM

But the other landfills would still have the restriction on how wet the material can be. It would have to all be dried out before.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:06:37 · ≈ 11:06 AM

That's always an issue. They're going to have to get it through the appropriate moisture content because it can't be too soupy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:06:42 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Because I see the transfer station and I think they can't accept wet material either.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:06:48 · ≈ 11:06 AM

It has to be dried somewhere first, processed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:06:51 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Okay so you'll update this? Yes. Okay.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:06:58 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.772:07:00 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. First of all I just want to acknowledge again the herculean effort on the part of county staff in addressing this at every stage. I had an opportunity to go to the local assistance center and there were people warm hearted out front escorting you in. There were non-profits for profits As well as government agencies from the federal, state and local level. People were going back again and again just to feel that support and it was really extraordinary. And one thing that struck me that I hadn't really thought of is how many scams come out in the wake of a tragedy like this? And so the warning systems were in place to alert people to that. I also represent the Santa Ynez Valley and FEMA, and the SBA were up there talking to businesses who've been really, really hard hit by the closure of the 101.

And they were people of compassion as well as competence, and that goes a long way to have government with heart. So I just thank you very much for all that, I know the debris right now is, at least for many of us, the issue that is almost overwhelming. And so I look forward to learning more about the scale and the different types of debris and different options for disposing of it but thank you so much.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:08:38 · ≈ 11:08 AM

Supervisor Lavinia? Thank you Mr Chair. Yeah, I want to echo Supervisor Hartman's words about our staff. Not just the folks in the EOC staff but public health and public works and our CEO staff and county council and all the people that have been putting in tremendously long hours. And I'm not sure how we Thank you seems too small right now, and I don't know really how we're going to show our appreciation. But I think our county staff has really acquitted themselves and really shown what local government's all about, what government really is all about. It's taking care of people in an emergency.

On the public debris on public property, you had mentioned something about a case manager and being like a point of contact. But is that for debris or is that just helping them figure out how to get through our system? Or what is that point of contact? Good for responsible for

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PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated2:09:47 · ≈ 11:09 AM

so the chairman and supervisor loving you so great question so that this is on private property of course in a case manager will be assigned from the planning and building department while they don't directly. impact the debris part of it, just having somebody that will know where to have them call will be beneficial. So they will be able to provide resources, information on how to get to those resources once they begin that building process. But the case managers are for the rebuilding process, the development process. As far as the debris management side on private property, I know the community really needs to know the information, and I hope in the next today or tomorrow that we're able to post specific information that I laid out today on what the future of that is.

And as you can see it's a work in progress and there are multiple solutions to dealing with private debris. Some of it will remain on site and be built over. Some of it will be taken hopefully to a transfer station if we can identify a parcel, a property, a large parcel. We're hoping there's some land in the general area and the carpentry or Montecito area. Maybe there's a farmer's field that's fallow right now, or something that we can find. That we can begin to create some sort of a place for people to put the material to transfer it so we can get it out of their property and then be able to find a suitable location. And hopefully it isn't disposed of but utilized as a value.

We need the private government partnerships to be able to pull this one off. There's other things that will have to occur with the debris as well. The debris needs to be sorted in many cases, some of it has to go to a landfill without doubt. And then maybe all of it in the end will have to go to a landfill that has to be moved and therefore we need all the options that we can have. We were able to find the phone number. I'm gonna hold it up here while I'm talking so 5551 and thanks for asking that question. And of course, if you go to our website which is countyofsb.org all of the information is attainable from that location including phone numbers

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:12:12 · ≈ 11:12 AM

very helpful. I had another question just about the changing landscape and the topography changing so Are we going to have to go out and like re-survey this entire area, and let people know where their actual property lines are? And how does...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:12:30 · ≈ 11:12 AM

Supervisor Lavagnino through the chair. A lot of the monumentation, the survey quarter corners also disappeared with this event. So that's the start is to remonument those surveys quarter corners and work our way From the east and from the west, and from the national forest boundaries down through the community. Re-establish where the creeks are, where the county road center lines are, and then re-establish the private property boundaries. And relath and stake those parcels because they look different on the ground right now.

So that's the first step that kind of starts us out so that we understand the impacts of the water courses with the private property. And then we'll have a little more information to move forward.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:13:19 · ≈ 11:13 AM

Well, I wanted to also thank you for your efforts. I wanted to put out a little bit of information. I think one of the things that I definitely saw in spending time in the Hedgerow neighborhood this Sunday we were doing a little bucket brigade organized by Fire Commissioner Abe Powell cleaning out some of the houses over there. One of the things I learned is that many of the residents, their insurance is paying out. And many residents, their insurance is fighting them tooth and nail. So it's a patchwork of responses depending on the insurer.

And because of that Senator Jackson, Assemblymember Monique Lamone and Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones to come down. He came down yesterday and he's also coming on Saturday 4 PM, that's a time change, 4 PM workshop at City College to help residents with insurance questions. He essentially has already sent notice to insurers that under proximate cause doctrine in the state, which is both partially in statute, partially in case law.

This was categorized as part of the Thomas Fire. It's a pretty strong case to make that anybody who is covered under their fire coverage should be able to get a payout. Unfortunately, not all insurers see it that way and it will be a fight. Places to stay, if there's anybody who is having a hard time finding a place to stay please I would love them to contact our office.

Though that has gotten better since repopulation. A lot of people were in serious wonder before that repopulation and I think that's also helpful input to give to our personnel that repopulation came in the nick of time Hotel crisis in town, and then the big issue of course is material. There's really no good solution besides trying to use as much as possible use some of this material on site when you think about it.

Cities have used natural disaster materials for thousands of years to increase their resilience. It's only in the last less than 100 when we have this weird idea that we should just clear it all out. I think people with memory remember that it was Damage and ruins of the earthquake that now gave us a waterfront. Now I'm not suggesting something that environmentally destructive, what I am suggesting though is that when homeowners can use that material to improve the height of their property, that they really should do so and our planning processes should promote that.

Of course, the second best thing would be if we found some farms that are in proximity for some of the material. But every other option is bad and of course right now we also face the challenge that if a bunch of people are really enterprising and start this early, we could slow down the process of us clearing out the debris basins because If you've been out there, traffic is horrendous.

Carmageddon has gone on for a week already and it's just gotten worse. So I think people thinking through, people having some patience and people definitely drying out their material first, waiting until they have a good place to put it. Until we might have a good place to put it, is a good idea. Especially when quotes are coming back at like $1,000 a ton for disposal. It's a huge amount of money too.

Not to mention that it will destroy the air quality for every kid in Montecito for I don't know years? So some caution in the amount of truck trips that we produce as I think also is something for us to think about as well. These are all things that our staff are working on and that we're working on, and that everybody is talking about to Mr. Caldwell's former point because these are hard questions of how to deal with this in a way that's responsible, And that keeps the interest of the community as a whole in mind.

We do have a request to speak. Mr. Caldwell? Oh, Mr. Adam, do you want to go before or after public comment?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:18:56 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Well I'll go after. Okay, Mr Caldwell?

PresenterAndy CaldwellCoLabProposedself-stated2:19:03 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. We too want to and we said it before highlight that we believe your staff at all levels did a phenomenal job. I have managed a disaster once, and I swore then that I would never micromanage or Monday morning quarterback any human being in that situation. because there are no easy solutions, there's no perfect plans, there's no perfect execution. And as I mentioned a few weeks ago, I thought it was ludicrous that people were complaining between mandatory and voluntary. And whether you sent out in last notice and all that, I just think that's all ridiculous. People have to take responsibility for watching weather reports and the press conferences and everything else.

So we do support the work that your staff has done. I want to say a couple things about that though overall. Going forward, as you know, I've been doing this for almost 28 years. After Painted Cave, the Board of Supervisors expedited permit processing. And I think you now have to expedite permit processing not just for rebuilding but for the cleanup. I think you've got to move heaven and earth to get that stuff to be able to be stored somewhere in light of SGMA, the State Groundwater Management Act and or some of the other restrictions dealing with hazardous waste. It's mud it would have gone into the ocean anyway.

And it's a disaster. The rules for a disaster are not the rules that apply in normal life. That's why we think it's absolutely absurd that people were criticizing the emergency removal of that mud to Goleta Beach when there are lives at stake. I mean it's absurd. And we asked for that 67 fire report, real resiliency is going to prevent the wildfires from being as catastrophic as they are a result of fuel buildup.

I don't take any pleasure in saying what I'm going to say now, but here's the deal. We have a lot of people that work for the county that listen to our radio show and there's a lot of them that follow our comments here. We've been hearing that four out of the five board members have been very supportive of staff. They've encouraged them, they've supported them and they basically said we're here to do whatever we can do to help.

But unfortunately Supervisor Wolf, we've heard from numerous people that you've been micromanaging, haranguing and pressuring your staff To the point that people have had it. And I really do believe that, and we've been hearing this for years not just during this emergency. We really believe your board should censor Supervisor Wolfe and prevent her and her staff from contacting any of your staff people in this emergency except through the chair.

They talk about a happy county family. It's a dysfunctional family. You need to support your staff, they did the best they could in catastrophic circumstances and if I were a staff person, I'd sue you for a hostile work environment. Thank you.

PresenterRobert Lewinoverall disaster that we've all been working onProposedself-stated2:22:29 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Chair? Mr. Chair and Supervisors, I just wanted to state that during this emergency we've been supported by all five members of the board and we appreciate that very much.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:22:44 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Thank you Mr. Lewin. Mr. Allen any other public comment?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:48 · ≈ 11:22 AM

That concludes public comment.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:22:53 · ≈ 11:22 AM

To the Board. This is a receiving file. Oh yes Mr. Adam

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:23:02 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Well, my first comment here is I'm getting complaints that P&D has stopped working on regular work and probably just up here in the north and maybe even down in the south. And permits have been in for some months. And what I wanted to ask is, what are we doing to address this extra workload? because there's going to be an awful lot of work that we clearly did not expect to happen during the last budget cycle. So what are we doing to address that workload?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:23:41 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Well, I want to hear from Ms. Black but I also want to say does that mean you'd be willing to vote for a budget augmentation on staffing? Ms. Black?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:23:52 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Well, we could talk about that yeah and to the extent that assigning concierge individual planners got done all over the county I think that'd be great. Ms. Black.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:24:11 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Mr Chair and members of the board, we have not stopped working on cases throughout the county However, we have had to dedicate some hours of some staff people to work at the local assistance center. To support people who are in the midst of this very tragic event for them. It's probably had some effect on some case processing throughout the county, but we have not stopped work on any cases in any part of the county.

In terms of moving forward where we are assessing our resources, we have a number of challenges. This is one of them. Cannabis is another and we are on the verge of hiring several new staff members. To address some of these issues, both on a contract basis and on a more permanent basis. So we're working on it and we will do the best we can to keep our services to the entire county going.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:25:11 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Well, are we able to bring a D item back pretty soon where we talk about how many extra people were hiring and what character those people would be in terms of being contractor or full-time employees?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:25:28 · ≈ 11:25 AM

And for my part, I hope that and since Supervisor Adam has expressed his willingness to push this. If you need an Adam Williams request for more staffing maybe we could work on that because I think the best situation for both the mud slide victims and For Montecito, but for the whole county is that we have our planning processes moving as fast as possible. That would obviously help recovery and obviously will help our economy.

I think to do anything otherwise would be penny wise and pound foolish.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:26:13 · ≈ 11:26 AM

So Mr. Chair, we can certainly come back with a report to the board. We're going to make as many staffing changes as we can at a departmental level and through the CEO's office and anything we need authority from the board from. We will come back soon but I'd be happy to bring a report on how we're addressing staffing at an upcoming board meeting.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:26:37 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Okay and just for my extra two cents, I think we need to be mindful that this situation is somewhat temporary. It's going to be drawn out but I think it is somewhat temporary and I would caution us not to go hire a bunch of permanent employees that will run out of work in two or three years Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:27:27 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Supervisor Adam through the chair. The 2 million cubic yards of material was an initial estimate that was the public and the private debris combined.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:27:40 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Okay. I just wanted clarification on that because I understood that there was quite a bit more that was public than, I'm sorry. Quite a bit more that was private than public and so I didn't know whether the 2 million. So you're telling me that the 2 million is total?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:27:59 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Supervisor Adam, through the chair yes. The 2 million is total. We estimate at this time it's about half and half. Half public and half private.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:28:10 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Okay. Well, even at 1,000 bucks a yard that's a significant figure.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:28:19 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Wolff?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed2:28:23 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Yeah well I was going to say something else but It disturbs me and I don't like to comment on Mr. Caldwell's comments about me, but for anyone who listens to your radio station, I wouldn't be surprised if they consider my input or contact with county staff as maybe haranguing. It's certainly not my intent, my intent is public safety. For someone who served on this board for almost 12 years and witnessed all these disasters and understand the importance of communication and acting fast. I've never taken away from what our staff has done. But that also doesn't take away my right and my responsibility if I see an issue to contact staff and go through proper channels.

I'm sorry if a staff person doesn't like it and tells you, Mr. Caldwell, I'd rather that they tell me. That's the kind of person that I am. I had been contacted just again to answer your Misguided comments by the city of Goleta because of their concern. And I asked for our staff to meet with them, and our staff did meet with them. They addressed comments, in fact the comment that you brought up about sand nourishment.

On Friday, I had a text message from the mayor asking me why this is being called sand nourishment. So my responsibility was to check with staff and if that's haranguing then I feel like I'm really not doing my job in asking a question. So shame on those people who feel that I can't ask a question when it's being presumed to be haranguing. My goodness, I have seen people in an organization yelling and screaming and being obnoxious. I think asking a question in a reasonable and respectful way is not haranguing, To do that and ask questions when it comes to process and public safety, regardless of what people say on your radio show.

That's my job. And what I was going to say For public safety purposes, and maybe people don't know. But we do have another public health alert for people who may be not just eating raw shellfish but also fish that's being caught off the pier or out in the boats. And you may not know this, Mr. Caldwell but there are a lot of people who get their fish from Goleta Beach Pier and these types of public health warnings are really important and I thank our Public Health Department for the work that they do.

And I'm not going to go into, I think I'm just going to stop right now. And I don't have to talk about actually, I'm going to say the number of times that I've been to press conferences where I've stood in the back and just listened and asked questions where I haven't been in the front or And it's just so incredibly offensive. When you stood up there and you said maybe I shouldn't say it, I wish maybe you would have thought a little bit more and thought that maybe you shouldn't have said what you said. It is so incredibly offensive. And I've sat here for 12 years and taken offense at things that you've said. But when you said that to me today, that really struck a nerve. And you know my history with emergencies.

You know full well how I feel about these things. And then to attack me the way you did, shame on you Mr. Caldwell and shame on any employee who thought that they could talk to you about it and not speak to me or Ms. Miyasato about it.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:32:49 · ≈ 11:32 AM

Thank you for the reminder too about the public health warnings. My other observation is that far too few people are wearing masks at this debris removal, and very few people are wearing protective eyewear. And gloves and obviously the biggest thing, the biggest no-no. And I already violated once on Sunday which is eating something on the work site because there's dust everywhere and all that stuff.

Fortunately our testing has indicated it doesn't have some of the real big nasties but it's got bacteria pollution. And we don't want to end up with a rash of a rash or a rash of fevers all throughout the community. So I just wanted to remind people this is really, really serious to do as we do this work. Supervisor Lavanino? Thank you Mr. Chair.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:33:50 · ≈ 11:33 AM

One other thing and I don't know if was this five and six together? Okay, so we're still doing another part of this. Well I'm just curious also when we're going to and I know it's still early but when we're gonna get the whole kind of financial picture of you know TOT impact property tax impact all those types of things

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:34:13 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Supervisor Lavanina through the chair, we're still working on that. We have some preliminary estimates and we'll be getting that to your board but the board letter does say in the financial impact section that we believe The costs are expected to exceed $37 million. Some of those costs will be reimbursed by the federal and state governments. Our county costs are estimated to be between 7 and 9 million. I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:34:41 · ≈ 11:34 AM

always hoped I was reading that wrong.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:34:50 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Okay, so that's receive and file unless there is a motion for further direction. Can I get a motion to receive and file? So moved.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:34:59 · ≈ 11:34 AM

Second.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:35:01 · ≈ 11:35 AM

And we have to do roll call.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:35:04 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye. Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Lavagnino? Aye Mr. Williams?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:35:13 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Aye Let's take item 6 And then for those staying in tune, we'll take item four after that.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:35:21 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Chair Williams and members of the board, item number six is from the Public Works Department. This is a hearing to consider the adoption of a summary nuisance abatement of storm emergency debris from the Thomas Fire within stream channels. This is an urgency ordinance amending Article 5 Chapter 17 of the Santa Barbara County Code. This item requires a four-fifths vote.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:35:48 · ≈ 11:35 AM

As Vice Chair, I get to take over now. Let's break for lunch? No, we'll wait for DOS.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:35:59 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Please proceed. Thank you Mr. Chair and members of the Board. About exactly three weeks ago today All elements of the county started to take action regarding this debris flow that happened in Montecito. And literally, I look at the clock and three weeks ago today we started clearing bridges and creeks to try to get as much capacity in our system as we could possibly do. We've been working around the clock, literally in case of debris basins and every day in case of every other action to restore the capacity of our stream systems.

And while we made progress there's still a lot of work to do. The reduction in stream capacity is a serious risk to our community. And while we've established the basic flow path for water in our streams, there's a lot of debris out there as was talked about by Mr. Lewin and others and that needs to be addressed. It's unstable, much of this debris could remobilize if we have a flood. We talked about the material that's even on private property.

If stream flow were to break out of its banks it could mobilize debris yet again. It's also an enormous amount of debris as we've talked about and beyond the capacity of the county to simply go out and take care of. Just like with the debris basins where we implemented the request through FEMA for the Corps of Engineers to undertake that work and they've been doing a great job to do that.

We do need to get these stream channels cleared, and we do want the help of FEMA and the Corps of Engineers in state OES to help us with that. However many of these creeks are on private property. And in order to get the necessary Regulations in place to allow our partners from the state and federal government to proceed. This ordinance attempts to address that.

It's one way that we can obtain immediate assistance directly from FEMA and the Corps of Engineers. So with that, I'd ask council if he has any other questions. I definitely want to thank the county council's office that worked tirelessly to put this together in a short period of time so that we could take these necessary actions. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:38:21 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Chair Williams and Supervisors, this is an example. We have representatives from FEMA and Cal OES with us today. There are also dozens more people who were available to us throughout the weekend to help with this. We asked very clearly what FEMA needed to be able to direct the Corps of Engineers into stream clearing activities as soon as possible before the next expected rain and this urgency ordinance would affect that. It essentially provides the county executive officer, as the county's emergency manager with delegated authority to authorize entry onto private property when necessary to clear streams that flow through that property The urgency ordinance is limited in time to expire on May 1st, after the expected rains. It is also limited in distance to be stream channels and 100 feet on either side of it.

We feel that this is a defensible way for the county to take care of its immediate emergency need to clear these stream channels. And I'd like to thank all of the people represented, partially by FEMA and OES representatives here today. But dozens of people were available to us throughout the weekend to make this work. Deputy County Counsel Jenna Richardson was here too, enjoy that support from all those people.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:39:39 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Public speakers?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:39:41 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board we have one speaker Jenny Driscoll

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:39:49 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Hello, Jenna Driscoll, Watershed Marine Program Associate with Santa Barbara Channel Keeper. First of all I want to thank the board for hearing this item today. We've been receiving tons of calls and emails from a concerned public that is just craving information on the removal of debris and placement at the various beaches. Channel Keeper recognizes that the placement of mud on our beaches has occurred because of a tragic emergency situation and is not what anyone would want to do in a regular situation. We respect the need to balance minimizing environmental impacts with the necessity of actions being taken to address immediate threat to life and public health.

However, as we begin to move away from true emergency action to ongoing action it is critical that these operations receive proper oversight. Since January 17th Channel Keeper has been conducting daily bacteria monitoring at Campus Point and at Rincon. And we post these results to our website sbck.org slash fire flood and to our social media pages. We appreciate that the county is continuing to do weekly monitoring of bacteria, but we've received many calls from the public asking for more frequently updated information from the county at beaches throughout the coast.

Channel Keeper also collected samples of mud from Goleta Beach and Carpinteria Beach and they are currently being tested for metals, PAHs, and aquatic toxicity. We expect to have the results this week and we'll certainly share those with the appropriate agencies and the public. And we're encouraged to hear that the county is conducting their own testing, and we look forward to the release of that information.

We are also aware that some of the mud and debris is being placed in stockpiles at inland locations throughout the county. The county should release a detailed list of where all of these areas, where the mud and debris are being placed. It's critical that best management practices are implemented to ensure that watersheds previously unaffected by the fire remain unimpacted. Channel Keepers reached out to county staff about implementing BMPs and how we can potentially assist.

It does not appear that there is one department or a coordinated effort to ensure that BMPs are being implemented, so some storage sites may still need to implement BMPs. To provide clarification for the public it would be helpful if the county would release a summary of all monitoring, testing and BMP implementation efforts related to mud removal and placement and release those results as soon as possible.

Finally, as we transition away from an emergency to ongoing action, we ask that the county be sensitive to the long-term impacts associated with dredging, channel clearing and bank armoring. While some of these activities may be immediately necessary to protect lives, we asked the board to limit the scope of activities authorized in this ordinance to only those necessary to remedy the emergency situation so that the legacy of these impacts are limited.

We are concerned that this ordinance may allow overzealous clearing of stream channels. While the flood has fundamentally altered some creeks and stream channels, clearing should not result in more impact than what was actually a result of the flood. And any live vegetation and habitat that survived the debris flow should be protected. Channel Keeper welcomes the opportunity to work with county staff on these issues. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:42:48 · ≈ 11:42 AM

That concludes public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:42:52 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Mr. Chair?

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:42:53 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Yes, just a moment I also wanted to just ask for help informationally because one of our obviously our public health staff have put out the warnings at beaches you know largely definitely paid attention to you know I would say one of the conspicuous places that Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. One of the things I've not so paid attention to is rink on. On any given day there's 200 surfers And so obviously both your testing and our testing indicates there's problems.

And that some of these beaches are not yet safe, though you can also check out our county website for some that are like sands, like lead better but What our public health staff has said that there hasn't been a rush, like there has been in bacteria pollution events in the past of people coming in with a lot of ear infections and a lot of fevers. So if you're getting cases like that I hope you will share that with our public health staff because we haven't seen a spike yet according to their staff. Mr. Farrow?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:44:15 · ≈ 11:44 AM

Mr. Chair, members of the board I just wanted to make two follow-up comments then too regarding the 2 million cubic yards estimate that is truly an estimate. I just recently went to a site last Friday where you know I hadn't been to and it would beg the question of how much is really out there? I think we go to new places every day and find out so I would use that with a bit of caution about how much is there and how much ultimately as was said what would end up being moved off we don't know what totally be moved off And regarding the channel work, I wanted to be clear that most of the areas that we're identifying for help from the core and OES. The stream channels simply cease to exist.

There was no creek left. It was buried in boulders, and so our work is to simply dig out and restore that. In those areas there is no vegetation. And as I said it's undescribable the stream channels cease to exist. And if we don't get that open back up to some Close to pre-event capacity, then we're just asking for more trouble in the future. So we are not clear cutting or clearing extensive reaches. In fact our teams are out there right now in the field identifying those priority areas and those are the areas we'll be focusing on so just as a point of clarification. Thank you.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.772:45:45 · ≈ 11:45 AM

Thank you Mr. Chair, Mr. Fehram I just had a question and a comment. The first question is do you need to have access on private property to access the stream channel or to load the trucks to carry the debris out? And how is this handled in the ordinance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:46:03 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Hartman, I think those questions have yet to be answered and our teams are working on that. Clearly we have public access points that we've identified mostly public roads. In our initial clearing we found private property owners to be very obviously this is in the broad public interest. The action you would be taking today includes 100 foot on both sides that could be used to access as well. And obviously we're not going to be running over people's lawns or improvements, there simply nothing exists there anymore in the areas that we would be doing this work.

Mr. Gazzani?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:46:42 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Chair Williams and Supervisor Hartman, so this is an area where in looking at the maps and this was certainly vetted quickly but extensively with FEMA OES and the county there are areas with broad swathes of county easements in place already and the desire would be to use those to the extent possible But it became clear to us in working with all of these agencies that there are several pinch points where if the streams are not cleared, we would essentially have a checkerboard square of clear and not clear. So the intent is to use private property as little as possible while still opening up these pinch points and again, The CEO would be making a determination in these cases that immediate stream clearing actions are necessary to protect life, public health or public safety.

So we've tried to constrain the use of access onto private property but provide clear ability to give that to our Corps of Engineers partners to get in there and do the work before it rains.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:47:47 · ≈ 11:47 AM

And I'll just tell you for what I've heard is more people calling up about Getting it out, then worried about getting it out because there are obviously areas of the watershed where there is still too much material in place.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:48:02 · ≈ 11:48 AM

And I think that one of the challenges in here and one of the again underlying goals of this Is we're dealing with an area that having driven through there with the fire chief and the CEO, this is not an area where normal posting procedures would work. There are no people or buildings in some of these areas so we need this authority to get in there. People have evacuated, not just two different parts of Santa Barbara but two different regions all together.

Ms Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.772:48:29 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. During this emergency the spotlight shifts to different agencies at different times and right now it's on you Mr. Farrum and I just want to tell you it's heroic what you're doing, you and your team, and I just wanted to acknowledge that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:48:50 · ≈ 11:48 AM

Mr. Chair thank you there is a lot of people working harder than me right now Well, since

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:48:57 · ≈ 11:48 AM

they're not here let's also put it out there for our poor deputy sheriffs. I mean you remember they were on mandatory overtime on December 3rd so I can only imagine how much mandatory overtime has taken place since that time. So they're probably incredibly overworked and deserve our thanks as well. Is there a motion?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:49:27 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Mr. Chair, I'll

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:49:28 · ≈ 11:49 AM

make a

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:49:28 · ≈ 11:49 AM

motion.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:49:29 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Second. Appreciate that our two most property rights oriented supervisors made the motion in the second. I think that underscores the importance of the emergency. I appreciate that. We have a motion that includes, does that include A, B, C and D?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:49:55 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Yeah, that's correct. And if I might comment on this- Thank you Mr. Hammond. This is just such an extraordinary circumstance that it just goes beyond property rights in just a traditional sense. You know, like Mr. Fairam's saying the creek that used to be there no longer exists in many cases and the fact that has to be put back in before notwithstanding the fact we have at least 10 days unfortunately from my perspective of 80 degree temperatures without any clouds in the sky it seems.

We need to be prepared for the next rain and to avoid this spreading further than it already went. So I think that this is one of those times where You know, to the extent that anybody objects. I haven't even heard anybody objecting to this. We haven't gotten as far as I know any communication from any property owner that objects so you know I'm not doing this over the objection of a bunch of property owners. So I think everybody understands that this is well beyond the normal property rights discussion

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:51:32 · ≈ 11:51 AM

Thank you. We have a motion and a second. Roll call, please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:51:36 · ≈ 11:51 AM

Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 5-0

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:51:47 · ≈ 11:51 AM

We're still ready and trucking for D4

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:51:54 · ≈ 11:51 AM

Chair Williams and members of the board, departmental item number four is from general services. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the ERG operating company LLC Fox and Petroleum Pipeline. This is in Santa Maria area in the fifth district.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:52:13 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Mr. Chairman, members of the board. We're before you today to present the application for a public franchise from ERG Operating Company and the ordinance granting that franchise as notice or a notice in resolution of intent to grant the public franchise for the Foxson Petroleum Pipeline was approved by your board on January 9th, 2018. Today's actions will consider public comment regarding the proposed public franchise Consider the determination made by the Director of Public Works that granting the franchise will not impair or obstruct the county road system.

Determine it is in the public interest to grant the public franchise to ERG for this pipeline. Consider approving this introduction of an ordinance granting the public franchise. And read the title of the ordinance into the record and weigh full reading, and then finally continue the item until the administrative agenda on February 6th to consider the recommendation of approving the franchise.

Staff's recommendation to adopt the public franchise will grant ERG a 20-year term to allow the construction, operation and maintenance of the Foxson Petroleum Pipeline. The pipeline will be a new common carrier pipeline consisting of two eight inch diameter pipelines running approximately 2.9 miles where approximately 2.1 miles of that pipeline will reside underneath County Road right of way And a map will show you that the pipeline will cross under and run along Santa Maria Mesa Road, starting from the top. Approximately 100 linear feet.

Stewart Street approximately 710 linear feet and run down and alongside Fox and Canyon Road approximately 10,150 linear feet. The purpose of the pipeline is to connect ERG's oil production facilities to the existing Siscox air pump station and pipeline operated by Phillips 66. As I mentioned earlier, the pipeline system includes the installation of two 8-inch diameter pipelines within the same trench which will create a redundancy that in part allows for one pipeline to be shut down for maintenance and repairs while the other pipeline continues to operate.

The pipeline is also designed and permitted as a common carrier pipeline, as I mentioned earlier. So that other operations in the surrounding Cat Canyon oil fields can also tie into the pipeline system for the exportation of their crude oil production. This pipeline system will have a capacity of 25,000 barrels of oil per day and will serve to transport crude oil produced by ERA, ERG and or Petro Rock if their current permit requests for new well development are approved.

ERG currently exports crude oil from its facilities using tanker trucks where approximately 22 trucks operate on a daily basis for transportation to points of sale. Through the construction and operation of this pipeline system, all routine daily exportation of ERG's Cat Canyon Crude Oil via truck would cease. In June of 2012, ERG submitted the necessary permit applications and facility designs for the pipeline to the County's Planning and Development Department.

Subsequently, county staff completed review of the project pursuant to the CEQA and recommended approval of the associated development plan permit. The County's Planning Commission voted unanimously to approve that on March 11th 2015. So as far as our steps going forward, within 90 days after the adoption of the ordinance granting the franchise, ERG is to file with the clerk a written acceptance of the terms and conditions.

The work to construct the facilities must be pursued within four months of the effective date of the franchise for the purposes of defining commencement of construction Expenditures toward the fabrication of the pipeline or excavation in the franchise area are what constitutes that commencement of construction for purposes of the franchise. For good cause shown prior to the expiration of the four-month period, the board may by resolution extend the time for commencement of construction.

As a reminder, this item will be continued on to the administrative agenda on February 6th to consider the recommendation of approving the franchise agreement at that time. Staff from General Services and Planning and Development are here to answer any questions and if the chair will permit I believe ERG will be first up for public comments and a short presentation which may answer questions you may have of them as well. That concludes my presentation

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:57:25 · ≈ 11:57 AM

Thank you, Mr. Gray. Would you like to present?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:57:32 · ≈ 11:57 AM

Yeah we have Ben Oakley and then Nathan Eady

CommentBen OakleyProposedself-stated2:57:42 · ≈ 11:57 AM

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction2:57:42 · ≈ 11:57 AM

guys have the presentation queued up? Sure, usually by now we ask a bunch of questions even though we're supposed to wait for questions. But- Yes. But we're being on our best behavior

CommentBen OakleyProposedself-stated2:57:53 · ≈ 11:57 AM

today so- Okay I appreciate that after the morning we've had today it's probably in order. Good morning my name is Ben Oakley. I'm the environmental health and safety manager for ERG operating company. Thank you. We are a Santa Barbara County based energy company. We've been producing oil in the Cat Canyon Field now since 2010. Of course, the field has a much longer history than that. The first well was drilled in 1908 and it's had over 100 years of continuous oil production.

Now since acquiring the field, we've systematically tested, repaired and replaced every component at every facility. This is a process we call revitalization and it's now state of the art facility with the best technology and equipment available. It's staffed by experienced professionals and it's backed by comprehensive environmental protection and safety programs.

So why are we here today? Well, consistent with our efforts to constantly improve our operations. We would like to replace the tanker truck oil transportation system we inherited from our predecessors with a modern pipeline transportation system. And as indicated in the diagram, we transport the crude from our field to the Phillips 66 processing system. And our current production rate requires about 7,000 truck trips per year. So it's a significant number of truck trips we'd be removing.

With the installation of the three mile pipeline connection to the Phillips 66 system, we can eliminate those trucks thereby providing cost savings and the safest means of transport available. Of course, to construct and operate this system we need to comply with the county's permitting process. To that end, we've completed an EIR development plan which were unanimously approved at the planning commission back in 2015.

And now we need the approval of the franchise agreement, after which we'll proceed to ministerial permitting and construction. And to provide more details on the project's technical design features in the permitting process I'd like to introduce my colleague Nathan Needy with SES Tracer Environmental who is the agent on the project. Thank you.

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:00:22 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Thanks Ben, I appreciate that. Chair and Board of Supervisors my name is Nathan Edie. I work for SCS out of our Santa Maria office and we acted as the agent in the planning company behind the discretionary permitting so today's action to approve a franchise agreement is more similar to a lease of space or real estate than it is a permitting action but its always beneficial for the board To understand how we got here.

After being contracted with ERG and looking at the need to transport oil out of Cat Canyon, we examined several different possibilities for how the pipeline could be routed and tried to strive as environmentally benign of a route as possible. Knowing that there is a balance of resources that exist between point A and point B with various biological, cultural and agricultural resources. That we try to minimize our impact whenever possible.

So you can see many of the different routes that we looked at obviously we settled on the one in red. And we were thankful and appreciative of our efforts in that when we went through the CEQA process with the county and they did an alternatives analysis for the EIR it was confirmed We had selected as our primary design was in fact the environmentally superior alternative.

After developing that route and kind of a conceptual design for the plan, not only did we submit the necessary permit applications to the local county planning department but we also engaged with federal and state Fish and Wildlife Service, Army Corps, Water Board. And we invited all parties out to a single site visit where we had representatives of all government agencies tour the project site at one time.

And really had a consensus building. Meeting with all those agencies so that we can secure the necessary permits from all of them. Lastly, when we felt like we were coming close to a final project design, we reached out to every affected member of the community. So if you were a resident who was going to have the pipeline cross near or on your property, or a resident of the town of Sysquak, everyone got a letter informing them of the pending permit and asking them for their input. Mr. Oakley and I attended the Sysquak Town's annual block party, and solicited additional commentary from the community. And we think that our efforts worked out well in that there was no significant community opposition or appeals of the project. When we finally move forward with permitting, so briefly here's the route and associated facilities.

So a pipeline of this nature has sort of a shipping facility at its starting point where oil can be collected and brought to the appropriate temperature and water content etc before it enters the line. The first approximately 3,000 feet of the line crosses ERG's own private property. As it proceeds downhill, we followed existing oil field and agricultural roads. So no new disturbance needs to occur as it makes its way down the hillside to the county road right of way.

It crosses under Foxing Canyon Road and proceeds up the road shoulder which for the most part is already manufactured soil from the original creation of the road. And is still disturbed actively by either road maintenance or adjacent agriculture. Proceeds north up Fox and Canyon Road before it finally enters this agricultural field where it meets the existing Phillips 66 Sysquak pipeline, which then takes the oil westward to the Phillips 66 refinery in Nipomo.

So once the permitting and construction is completed, the pipeline is overseen by three different county departments. So P&D obviously is the agency responsible for the secret review that preceded this and enforcement of the conditions with our development plan. Public Works has to issue encroachment permits before we're allowed to commence any construction in the roadway itself. And then of course we need the franchise agreement that we're here today.

So that brings us back to where we are in the process, which is attempting to garner the approval of the board for the franchise agreement. After which we move on to ministerial permitting, which are basically grading and building permits and encroachment permits. And after we've secured all those then we'll start with construction and eventual operation of the pipeline.

So that's it, and we're available for any questions from the board. Questions from the board? Mr. Lavagnino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:04:54 · ≈ 12:04 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well I don't know who made this one here. I don' t know if this was Nathan or Ben but It would have been good if this was a different color, because this almost looks like this is the entire length of what you're trying to do. And I know we're just doing a very small tie-in so that might have been helpful. I just wanted to say thank you for the reach out, the public outreach.

Folks in Gary and Sisquawk have always been concerned about the amount of truck traffic that's moving through that very small community on a very small road. I'm pleased that we're making a change, and I just wanted to say thank you for going the extra mile on that side of things. Ms. Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:05:46 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Questions about safety? Could you describe the monitoring and the shutdown potential if there were a problem?

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:05:58 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Sure. Chair and Supervisor Hartman, so the pipeline was proposed to be in its condition to require a state of the art SCADA system that monitors pressure flow rate different elements of the status of the pipeline So in the event that there is a problem, it can be shut down. And I believe the shutdown capacity is not only for ERG or whoever operates this particular pipeline but Phillips 66 since they are downstream has the ability to communicate as well and initiate a shutdown of the pipeline since the oil feeds into their system.

And then where it junctures with the Phillips 66 pipeline there is a one-way valve so once oil enters the Phillips 66 pipeline backtrack its way back into the Fox and Petroleum Pipeline.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:06:43 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Thank you, two more points if I may Mr. Chair? Of course

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:06:45 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Supervisor.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:06:45 · ≈ 12:06 PM

The first are there any water courses near the pipeline?

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:06:50 · ≈ 12:06 PM

Chair and Supervisor Hartman yes so the pipeline crosses five blue line creeks as it's shown on a USGS map. The reality is when you see the creeks in person they've been highly modified by the adjacent agricultural operators and It's an interesting point that when we went to the Army Corps and the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service for our permits, normally they would require full restoration of the creeks.

Proceeding native habitat, but there was none. And so the actual more practical solution we came to with those agencies is that we will return those waterways back to their existing condition. But rather than restore such a small portion of a waterway that's already been so heavily affected. That mitigation money was actually calculated and then distributed to more beneficial water restoration projects elsewhere in the county.

And on that note, ERG has actually already spent that money to non-profits and that restoration work has already occurred at wetlands out in Guadalupe Dunes. So both the ERG and the agencies felt like that was a much better use of the money and a much more beneficial result for the environment.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:08:08 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Two more points if I may. First, while Supervisor Lavinino congratulates you on your outreach to the public, I think bringing the multiple agencies together for a site visit and getting them all to interact is something that's really a good strategy and I'm glad you did that. The second thing is that I was on the Planning Commission. I had an opportunity to go out and tour the site, and I was supportive then, and am inclined to do the same this time.

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:08:44 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:08:46 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have a question on the two pipelines and one being there for redundancy. Is there ever a possibility that both would be used at the same time?

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:09:02 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Chair and Supervisor Wolff, so no, that is not the intent. It's mechanically possible but that's not the way this pipeline was designed The two pipelines is intended to achieve two things. So one is if one of the pipelines ever needs to be shut down for maintenance or repair, you can activate this second line. And avoid needing to commence trucking or something like that in order to keep oil flowing out of the Cat Canyon area. The other thing is that the oil that flows through these pipelines is colloquial called heavy oil and so if it loses too much temperature, it can congeal inside the pipelines and destroy them. And so having two pipelines allows us to actually create a loop and force that heavy oil back up into the tanks where it can be heated until the pipeline system is reactivated.

So there's a couple of different design features that we felt were appropriate, and that's why we put forward a fairly unique two-pipeline system. That sometimes begs the question, why don't pipeline operators do that more often? And it's just strictly not economical over a longer mileage. So that was one thing that ERG felt wasn't an appropriate investment for a relatively short three mile pipeline but obviously if you were building a pipeline system much longer That quickly becomes cost prohibitive.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:10:29 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Okay, maybe this is a question for staff so the limit through the pipeline is 25,000 barrels a day? Hi Aaron. Does staff monitor that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:10:51 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Mr. Chair and Commissioner Wolfe, yes the total capacity of the single line would be 25,000 barrels a day and The daily throughput of the line is not something that staff would typically monitor We may receive monthly production reports, but we don't get daily.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:11:11 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Okay, but you would get a monthly report

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:11:13 · ≈ 12:11 PM

For other pipeline systems in the county. We do get monthly production reports. Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:11:17 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Would you get it for this one?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:11:20 · ≈ 12:11 PM

If ERG were to work cooperatively with staff, we could receive those. It's not a requirement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:11:28 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Is it a requirement for the other ones?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:11:30 · ≈ 12:11 PM

The distinction being that our other pipeline operators are members of our system safety committee. And through the work that they do in that committee, they're required to provide monthly production reports to us. This particular pipeline is not subject to that committee and therefore would not be required to provide us with those reports.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:11:54 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Nothing against this project. I'm just trying to understand that this committee, are they the ones that make these rules or is it in our ordinance who has to provide these monthly reports?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:12:09 · ≈ 12:12 PM

The monthly reports are required by the committee not by ordinance So so just as a point of clarification, the system safety committee is a kind of a safety oversight requirement that's been placed on the offshore projects in the county. And so for instance, I'm sorry, Plains was not a part of that committee. Our Phillips 66 pipeline system because it moves offshore crude oil is required to go through the System Safety Committee. This pipeline here is a very small short segment in the eastern Santa Maria Valley does not carry offshore production and therefore was not required to go through the System Safety Committee review.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:12:55 · ≈ 12:12 PM

And is that the only one that is solely offshore that doesn't have this requirement?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:13:03 · ≈ 12:13 PM

No, we have other smaller pipeline systems that are not part of the committee.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:13:09 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Let me just rephrase it then. Are there other onshore producers regardless of size that have to report monthly?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:13:18 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Yes, we have a gas plant in the Cuyama area operated by ENB and we also have the Greca refinery, the asphalt refinery operated by Greca that are members of the committee.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:13:32 · ≈ 12:13 PM

So what is your response to that? Do you want to be part of this committee?

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:13:40 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolf, so I have a couple different ways to answer that. So one is if the concern is that without monitoring that the daily operation could exceed the 25,000 barrel per day limit, that's highly unlikely for two reasons. So one is we set that limit to essentially match the mechanical capacity of the pipeline. So it would be physically close to impossible to move more than 25,00 barrels per day through the system.

And then another thing to point out on that is that the, that capacity should far exceed whatever ERG as a single operator needs. We over-designed the size and the permanent capacity of the pipeline because county's policy encourages the industry that if they're ever going to put a pipeline this magnitude in, that it be designed for common carrier usage so that other operators in Cat Canyon can Avail themselves of use of the pipeline and also keep their trucks off the road. In terms of SSRC committee, as Mr. Briggs explained that traditionally only applies to those that handle offshore oil.

I would say practically speaking a lot of that same oversight will already be achieved by way of a permit condition we have Submit what's called a CIMCWAP plan to the county planning department, which is identical to what's required of offshore operators. And although it won't go to the SSRRC committee, the plan is subject to the review and approval of P&D as part of our zoning clearance. And I bet they would probably just tap into the same intellectual resources that sit on the committee right now. So long story short, I do think the county would still be able Ample safety review, albeit in a slightly different process than what offshore operators are subjected to.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:15:33 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Okay thank you and Mr. Briggs you agree with that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:15:37 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Yes what Mr. Eaddy said about the CIMCWAP report being reviewed by our specialists is correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:15:44 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Okay thank you, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed3:15:46 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Thank you. And I'm

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:15:47 · ≈ 12:15 PM

assuming because this is- pardon yes I'll put you up there, Mr. Adam. Just one quick question because it's along the lines of Supervisor Wolf's questioning. Because you're tying into the Phillips 66 and they have a policy of only categorizing their pipelines as intra-state which has a higher level of scrutiny And regulatory authority, is essentially your regulatory framework the same that you would submit your pig reports to the fire marshal like Phillips 66 has to do on their pipes?

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:16:34 · ≈ 12:16 PM

Chair Williams, correct. I believe that beyond the county level we're subject to regulation by the state fire marshal and we did coordinate with the fire marshal before we put in our final pipeline design to the county.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:16:46 · ≈ 12:16 PM

Thank you Mr. Adam and then we'll go back to Supervisor Hartman

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:16:53 · ≈ 12:16 PM

Okay, thank you. I just wanted to say that as a operator of a farm, a significant portion of my farm is out in that area and having 7000 truck trips off the road is going to be just a great benefit to the entire community out there. Because as stated, that road is pretty narrow. A little bit windy and that will be a great help to get the traffic off and I think it'll be beneficial to ERG as well having that delivered through the pipeline.

Supervisor

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:17:38 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:17:38 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair, just a quick question I think I may have missed it you may have already explained it but this is heavy thick viscous oil so how do you move it through the pipeline? Is it just gravity or do you have to heat the pipeline or how does that work?

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:17:57 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Chair Williams and Supervisor Hartman so It's primarily heat, so the shipping facility that's on the upstream end of the pipeline. So those are large 10,000 barrel tanks I believe. The oil is collected in the tanks and brought up to a temperature so I didn't know if there was any public comment. If not, I'd be willing to make a motion.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:18:47 · ≈ 12:18 PM

No further requests.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:18:50 · ≈ 12:18 PM

All right, then I'll make a motion that we move staff recommended actions A, B, well, I think AB had already been done. So let's do the ones that were on January 30th, Roman numeral one through Roman numeral six.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:19:11 · ≈ 12:19 PM

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:19:11 · ≈ 12:19 PM

there a

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.773:19:11 · ≈ 12:19 PM

second? Second.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:19:13 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Roll call.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:19:16 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Labunino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 5-0

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:19:28 · ≈ 12:19 PM

We are going to go to closed session after a short break and we will announce what's in closed session

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:19:38 · ≈ 12:19 PM

Chair and supervisors today the board has noticed only for one item and that is public employee evaluation for county executive officer

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CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction3:19:48 · ≈ 12:19 PM

We'll take a 15 minute break before closed session. Great, thank you so much.

CommentNathan EdieProposedself-stated3:22:15 · ≈ 12:22 PM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed5:04:34 · ≈ 2:04 PM

Chair and supervisors, the board has returned from closed session where there was one item public employee evaluation for county executive officer with no reportable actions.

CommentNathan EadyProposed · by introduction5:04:45 · ≈ 2:04 PM

Thank you then we will adjourn until February 6th