BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 February 6, 2018

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:17 · ≈ 9:03 AM

I'd like to call the meeting to order. Roll call, please.

Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:23 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Mr. Lavinino? Here. Ms. Wolfe? Here! Ms. Hartman? Here! Mr. Adams? Here Mr. Williams? Here Please join me in the pledge.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:36 · ≈ 9:03 AM

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GuestDave DerflingerCity ManagerProposedself-stated3:36 · ≈ 9:03 AM

pledge

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:37 · ≈ 9:03 AM

allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:46 · ≈ 9:03 AM

Is

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:55 · ≈ 9:03 AM

there a approval of the minutes? Or is there a motion on the minutes?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.824:03 · ≈ 9:04 AM

I move to approve the minutes.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:05 · ≈ 9:04 AM

And a second. There's All in favor? Opposed? Minutes are approved. CEO's report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:18 · ≈ 9:04 AM

No report this morning, Chair.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:21 · ≈ 9:04 AM

Thank you. We have a couple resolutions but first are there any items that supervisors wish to pull? All right I'm going to get

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:42 · ≈ 9:04 AM

We have a request to speak on item A-6.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:47 · ≈ 9:04 AM

We will do that after our resolutions we have A11 and A12 that we will do first can you read those?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:00 · ≈ 9:05 AM

I move that we approve A11 and A12

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:05 · ≈ 9:05 AM

all those in favor please say

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:07 · ≈ 9:05 AM

aye.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:07 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Aye. Opposed? All right, can you read them?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:16 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. Our first resolution is sponsored by our chair, Supervisor Williams. This is item A11. It's a resolution of commendation honoring Stacey Rosenberger, Jen Adame, Nancy Silva, Norman Villegas and Hortensia Cruz. And they are our Santa Barbara County February 2018 employees of the month and if they'll come up to the podium. We have Von De Roso also escorting.

I will go ahead and read the resolution into the record. Whereas public health employees prioritize services to protect the health of residents during the Thomas Fire, the largest wildfire in California history. And whereas Stacy, her co-workers and partners including Direct Relief and the Medical Reserve Corps distributed approximately 350,000 N95 masks to residents in Santa Barbara County to protect them from poor air quality. And whereas Jen, her co-workers and partners including the Santa Barbara Humane Society, Equine Evac, Earl Warren, Buns and ASAP provided safe care and shelter for animals evacuated during the fire.

And whereas Nancy and the other nurses provided daily visits providing compassionate care to people evacuated to the Red Cross Shelter assisting with medications and medical issues at a challenging and stressful time. And whereas Norma and Hortensia, their co-workers in the partnership with the Joint Information Center at the Air Pollution Control District provided timely and accurate information to residents in English and Spanish so residents can be informed, prepared, safe, and healthy. So therefore, be it hereby ordered and resolved on behalf of the public health disaster workers who provided exemplary service we honor Stacey Rosenberger, Jenna Dame, Nancy Silja, Norman Viniegas, and Hortensia Cruz as our Santa Barbara County Employees of the Month for February 2018.

I'm honored to be adopted today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed7:16 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Good morning, I also want to draw your attention to Nancy who is joining us in Santa Maria she is the nurse that We are acknowledging during this time, thank you. So thank you very much for this opportunity to recognize the incredible, incredible efforts by the Public Health Department during the Thomas Fire. It's an honor and a privilege to work with such an outstanding team. And these five individuals provided extraordinary efforts along with their colleagues in the department and in the community. Thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:04 · ≈ 9:08 AM

A12.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:05 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Okay, item A12 this is a resolution sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. This is a resolution proclaiming the month of February 2018 as National Children's Oral Health Month in Santa Barbara County and I think I have Edward Tran, Dominic Calori, Georgine Lowe, Mary Ellen Recy and Teresa Rodriguez-Jones. And if there's anybody else they're welcome to come up as well.

And I'll go ahead and read the resolution into the record. Whereas dental decay is the most common chronic disease among children that can be prevented through regular screening, early identification, preventative education and treatment. And whereas oral health is critical to overall health affecting nutrition, social development, growth and function, academic performance and quality of life.

And whereas untreated dental disease has been linked to adverse health outcomes associated with preterm, low birth weight deliveries, heart disease, stroke, diabetes and bacterial pneumonia. And whereas tooth decay is preventable through fluoride use, good eating and feeding habits, good oral health habits, and regular dental visits. Now therefore, it be hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors does hereby observe the month of February 2018 as National Children's Oral Health Awareness Month to facilitate increased awareness, education prevention and treatment of childhood oral health disease throughout Santa Barbara County. Passing adopted today.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed9:34 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Good morning, dear Board of Supervisors. Recognizing the significance of oral health alone and its relationship with physical health, concentrated efforts between Santa Barbara Public Health, Santa Barbara County Education Office and other key community stakeholders will be engaged in the next several years to assess the oral health needs of our community and vulnerable population.

In addition to assessing the needs, strategic efforts will be developed to address the infrastructure and systems needed to promote, address and improve the oral health of our community here in Santa Barbara County. The decay rate of Santa Barbara state preschool children is 49%, and this is of epidemic proportions. Santa Maria had the same problem in 2010, and they have reduced their decay rate by 50% using water fluoridation. Water fluoridation and topical fluoride varnish are widely known as the most effective public health instruments to reduce decay rates in a population.

Maybe we can consider the same measures in Santa Barbara County. Thank you very much for this very important proclamation, thank

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:48 · ≈ 9:10 AM

you. Request to speak on A6.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed11:01 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. Item A6 is brought to the board by the General Services Department. It's considered recommendations regarding ERG operating company LLC Fox and Petroleum Pipeline. This is in Santa Maria area in the fifth district. We have four requests to speak on this and we are going to start with Emiliano Campobello to be followed by Noel McGivern. Emiliano?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed11:32 · ≈ 9:11 AM

Good morning Board of Supervisors. Thank you so much for giving us this opportunity to address these issues. I'm here to really call on our sense of the future and our children and our sense of direction of where we're trying to go with our communities. We already have two cities that have passed resolutions against offshore drilling, I know some of you have been very progressive as far as the fossil fuel development direction, others have been on another side of progress possibly but I think there's an issue here about what is the North Star we're following What is the compass? You know, we're here in this society. We vote for our officials. The officials make decisions and what I'm hoping for is that we can figure out a trickle-up kind of process where the people, the cities, the counties, the states and then we all are on the same page instead of having cities and counties kind of in opposition We're challenging each other, states and federal governments challenging each other on certain issues.

You know this is really tearing at our communities. One thing with this FOXIM pipeline, ERGLLC just went through one of the biggest bankruptcies of 2015. Had to get 409 $1.75 million from a lien creditor to get them back in action and then them getting back in action, that's for three-year lien with the possibility of selling that afterwards as 2015. That's going into 2018 so it seems kind of clear that there's a plan here to build an infrastructure that's big and strong enough that they can be sold off This leads the way to further fossil fuel development.

You know there's an environmental impact study that was most of the information was gathered in 2013 It was approved in 2015. Now here we are two years later and it wasn't adjusted at all, it just said no significant changes have happened so we don't have to change do any more research now I think that is something that could be challenged in many ways that there've been no significant changes to our environment to the threats to it because that environmental impact study that was done before Refugio spill So that is the first point of contention that I would like to hold. I see my time's running out here, but so I think that I'd just like to call into question the wisdom of this action in the long term. Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:32 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Noelle Meaghern is our next speaker to be followed by Emily Williams.

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CommentNoel McGivernProposedself-stated14:42 · ≈ 9:14 AM

Good morning, thank you all so much for considering not having oil pipelines in our county and protecting our wildlife. I am Noel McGivern. I was born in Santa Barbara. I went to Adams Peabody. La Cumbre, San Marcos, UCSB. I married a wealthy man. Lakota people would have a word for that kind of person. A very beautiful big wave surfer, big hearted man, father of my children.

Washichu is a word that means he takes all the fat off the land and saves it for himself. I went to East Hampton and they love their golf courses out there. The groundwater was polluted by pesticide. We bring our water in with plastic bottles, and it's like that. Not everywhere can do that so much, have clean water that we could just filter out all the things we put in it.

It'd be so nice if we just had clean water and made that our absolute priority. And discourage people like Nestle. When I worked for the Santa Barbara Unified, I took today off because I feel about this. I feel it's really important that everyone remembers our life-giving waters, our sacred Mother Earth, our life-giving waters. They're so sacred. In all over the world, our water is threatened. And the next wars they say aren't going to be over petroleum, they're gonna be over water.

So the more water we save, I just became a grandmother. My son gave birth to a baby girl in Hawaii and I really want her and all of our grandchildren and all of our wildlife. Those people don't have a voice. It'd be so nice Have more faith that we have clean energy and that some things money can't buy, right? I mean people are seeing the pumas come down for a drink.

Loss of habitat. Native people have ways, they used to do cool burnings. They were on foot. They weren't going to have a big fire like we just had. How are they going to get out of there? They would have cool burnings. They would take care of all that so less and less. I'm so honored to be here and I'm so honored you know my prayers that every kid in the unified has their own reasonable container use our beautiful water filters. And gets a good education thank

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CommentEmily WilliamsProposedself-stated17:44 · ≈ 9:17 AM

All right, good morning and thank you so much for your time this morning. My name is Emily Williams and I am a concerned scientist. I'm a PhD student at UCSB studying climate change and climate impacts. And I'm also with 350 Santa Barbara. As many of you know, 350 Santa Barbara works closely with environmental social justice groups all throughout the county, many students and young people, and a wide swath of community members who share our vision for a fossil free Santa Barbara County. So I'm here to talk to you today about the pipeline.

We are living right now at a time when we need to start making some serious choices, but they're not really hard choices if we think about the future that we want to live in. We know that we need to transition away from fossil fuels and toward 100% renewable energy and we need to do this quickly. This need has recently been felt sorely by our community. The wildfire that devastated our community two months ago was driven by unseasonably hot temperatures, dry fuel and strong winds.

What then followed was flooding caused by extreme rainfall where half an inch fell in just five minutes. This is not normal. This is climate change but this will be the new normal and we will be seeing these events more and more. As our community, like communities around the world work to become more resilient. The last thing that they need, the last thing they deserve is the promise of even more abnormal and devastating changes to our climate.

Our choices today are what going to determine that future and today we have some difficult but important long-term math to be doing So California is helping shift the tide in recognizing that we cannot keep burning fossil fuels, and we in Santa Barbara are helping shift that exact same tide. But Santa Barbara County remains one of the highest oil producing counties in the state. I think we all know that cannot continue. We can be the hub of renewable energy and renewable jobs but not what we keep building fossil fuel infrastructure, the very infrastructure that we know is going to be obsolete in a matter of years.

This pipeline being discussed is a difficult subject, I'll give you that. On the one hand it's a way to get 7000 trucks off the road but it's also a carrier pipeline and what does that mean for new future development? Will this pipeline really just be used for current oil production and not service any new projects? In the EIR, it explicitly states this pipeline is intended to match both current and future new oil development. Future development that we all know just cannot happen.

So we seem to be working on two different timelines. This pipeline has a lifespan of 20 years but we need to be managing a decline of fossil fuel usage before that time. A decline that would leave that pipeline empty far earlier than its lifespan. The math just isn't matching up. So the options on the table today are not about trucks versus pipelines. It's about profit or a safer climate.

So 350 Santa Barbara has faith that our elected leaders will continue to inspire us and help facilitate the transition away from this economy and towards 100% renewable energy. We just want to kindly remind everyone that building a new pipeline now at this stage goes against everything that science, economics, and morals tells us is right. Thank you so much for your time.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:54 · ≈ 9:20 AM

Helena Simon?

CommentElena SimonProposedself-stated21:04 · ≈ 9:21 AM

Chair Williams, board. Thank you. My name is Elena Simon with Food and Water Watch. I'd like to voice three specific concerns I have about ERG's Foxing Canyon pipeline. So we've heard a lot about the need to make a just transition to 100% clean energy and a significant aspect of that just transition is not approving new fossil fuel infrastructure. New fossil fuel infrastructure ensures our continued dependence on fossil fuels because ERG pipeline has a life expectancy of 20 years And we know that fossil fuels are a dying industry, so why are we investing in 20-year infrastructure for a product that we know we must transition off of?

Second, the intention of the pipeline is to accommodate increased oil development. Section 2.2.3 of the EIR notes that oil production in Cat Canyon has continued to increase since 2013 and notes that production is expected to continue to increase. So at what point do we say enough of producing new oil? Currently we have 2,400 active oil wells in the county. ERG's current capacity to truck oil is somewhere between 3,000 and 5,000 barrels a day. This pipeline would increase that capacity to 25,000 barrels a day. That's somewhere between a 500 and 833% increase. In fact, the EIR states on page 1.1 The proposed pipeline could accommodate increased quantities of locally produced crude oil in the future from various producers. The amount of additional trucking ERG could conduct is limited under its current permit to operate issued by the Santa Barbara County Air Pollution Control District.

This could require that increases in field production be limited to avoid exceeding the permit-to-operate limits due to increased trucking. The proposed pipeline could transport expected increases in oil production without exceeding the permit-to operate requirements." End quote. This pipeline would allow for extracting more oil and it's another backdoor way for the oil industry to get what they want, producing more oil in Santa Barbara County.

And finally, it's a carrier line. So due to the references in the EIR I just stated there have been many concerns in the community that this is a precursor to approval of pending permits for ERG's 233 wells, AIRA's 296 wells and Petro Rocks' 231 new wells. So what's worse? I know that it's tough decision and I appreciate the county's concern for safety and GHG emissions in considering this pipeline Those two are concerns of mine, but it's hard to estimate which method of transit is worse. Is it death and destruction? Is it amount of oil released? Is land area or water volume contaminated? Habitat destroyed or CO2 emitted?

To me more oil production and investing in infrastructure that's conducive to more oil development is worse. I wanted to thank the supervisors for being diligent in the questions that they asked last week. Supervisor Hartman in the Blue Line Creeks, Supervisor Wolf in the Dual Lines. I appreciate that. In this county we continually talk about individual responsibility to reduce our consumption and yes that's very true. We do have an individual responsibility to reduce our consumption but the urgency of the climate crisis mandates collective bold solutions that go above and beyond after all the whole is greater than the sum of its parts thanks

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role24:19 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Thank you. Any other requests to speak on this item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:24 · ≈ 9:24 AM

That concludes public comment on A-6.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role24:29 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Any motions or comments from the board?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed24:34 · ≈ 9:24 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. Prior to going on to our final motion on the administrative agenda I just have one announcement regarding the administrative agenda. This is item A7 from general services. The board letter had a couple small corrections that I want to read into the record. First of all this project is in the third district not the second district and also the RP file number that's listed on the agenda which is 003779 should be 003552.

So, and also I did post an addendum on Friday adding one case of significant exposure to litigation to the closed session agenda. And those are my announcements. Do

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role25:14 · ≈ 9:25 AM

we have any comments on A6 or a motion on the balance of the agenda? Mr. Lavinia, I'll make a motion on the balance to move. Second. And I'll say something, because I just have to say that the comments on A6 leave me wholly frustrated. All of the environmental groups that have fought oil since the spill, so the ones that have been around here for a long time. Have always supported pipeline infrastructure so that we could push oil out of barges and out of trucks and there's no The numbers are really clear on what's safer. The numbers are really clear on what is lower GHG emissions, and I'm just astounded to have environmental groups come and advocate that we have higher GHG emissions.

By trucking oil, we cannot terminate that drilling that's going on. That current drilling so the choices between trucks and pipelines. And the reason why the capacity is larger to some degree and the reason why it's a common carrier pipeline is because the county wants the neighboring operations to also pipeline their oil and not truck their oil so that we reduce their emissions.

Everybody has to be a part of reducing our emissions for us to be successful, including oil companies. I just don't know what to say if we are going to try to block oil companies reducing their emissions, just because they might try the argument that that infrastructure means we should approve more development. I for one am not going to approve more development just because they built a pipeline. I don't think the county's ever done that before.

But if you don't think that there is a clear need for a pipeline instead of trucking or trains, then you're not looking at the accident data. You're not looking at the spill data and you're not looking at the emissions data. So I think we have motion in a second? Sure.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8227:52 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Since you commented, I feel compelled as well. The irony isn't lost on me that we have another item on today's agenda about a pipeline that is being decommissioned. We're going to take a bond back and that is not enough to fully decommission that pipeline. And so here we are approving another. For me, I appreciate the arguments that were raised today and I think a lot of research went into that. We are in a transition period of bridge time and so we've got some very difficult decisions to make but I do think Supervisor Williams, Chair Williams said that just because we are approving this doesn't mean necessarily that we're going to approve future development projects in oil fields.

We're caught between a rock and a hard place. And I think we have to try to reduce the greenhouse emissions now, to the extent that we can, and take future projects on their own. So thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role28:59 · ≈ 9:28 AM

We have a motion in second. Any further comments? All those in favor? It's the balance of the agenda. The agenda please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Is there public comment for items not on the agenda?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed29:17 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. We have one request to speak from Ed Kolaski. Mr. Kolasky.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed29:31 · ≈ 9:29 AM

The other one first one old design new design yeah we ready It's good to be here again. Finally, after four years it took I finally got to present our new design. We were kicked out of the fifth meeting four years ago and we were not allowed to present it. They ruled that our new design is located solely over the garage like the old design and that still stands even though it's over the garage, the kitchen, the dining room Is this a democracy?

Okay, I finally went back again to the meeting Mr. Chairman who insisted I do and I tried this several times before once I almost got my head bashed in by a guard when I was kicked out of a meeting that upset the members of the Board of Architectural Review so I did pursue that and then once again They would not let us present that design. So finally, we got to present that design and I hope over the next four years that maybe we'll get approval.

Now it turns out that once they start talking, we did get a chance to say a few words at the beginning but once they start talking you have no right to ask any questions or make any statements and I got all this, no don't say anything! You can't tell them hey Street scape the view from the street was designed by one of your members John Veritech, the guy sitting over here.

Well it's not good now that was four years ago you can't tell him that setbacks were argued in the fourth meeting and you approved it without the setbacks no you can't say that if you say anything they're gonna kick you out So here we are, I hope over the next four years to get approval. I just want to remodel my house. You stand here and you pledge allegiance for liberty and justice?

Come on. You don't know what's going on downstairs? You don't know that they're erasing tapes? When we got kicked out of the fifth meeting, they erased the first two hours of that day's tape. You don't know that they generated a bunch of garbage saying that old design is identical to the new design. Those two are identical. Flip to the next one Ken. This is just a blow up. Okay go to the third one.

You know we got one honest, good supervisor here and we got one that's corrupt. And we've got three supervisors that are hear no evil, speak no evil and say no evil. You don't know what's going on the other half. Isn't it time to make a change? I'm sick of my neighbors saying well they're all corrupt. They're not all corrupt! This is the United States of America. You know, I wrote down here the preamble to the Constitution.

When they wrote this it was for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It wasn't for somebody to come in and say you didn't pay an extortion payment. Your contractor didn't make a donation. You're out of here! 15 seconds! We couldn't say a word. They had Dylan jumping up screaming at us, you're out of here! That's life liberty and the pursuit in the second district and everybody knows it I'm over.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:35 · ≈ 9:33 AM

That concludes public comment

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role33:41 · ≈ 9:33 AM

We're going to take two D items because we have them here rapidly and then go break to closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:53 · ≈ 9:33 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board. We're going to start with departmental item number one. This is from the treasurer tax collector. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the issuance of bonds by the housing authority of the county of Santa Barbara for financing the new construction development of the residences at Depot Street. It is consisting of 80 units of affordable multi-family housing for individuals and families with special needs in the county of Santa Barbara.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed34:20 · ≈ 9:34 AM

Mr. Hagan. Chair Williams, members of the board this first item today is a TEFRA hearing. This item was heard by the Debt Advisory Committee on January 8th and it was recommended to hold the TEFRA hearing. TEFRA is the Tax and Equity and Financial Responsibility Act 147 F Internal Revenue Code provides a process for non-profits to request the use of municipal financing for projects.

I have with me today Bob Havlicek and John Polanski who can go over the financing and the project details. One point, I do want to make sure that we all understand that the issuer not the county is morally and legally responsible for the payment of this debt. We are holding the public hearing only. And I'm here to answer any questions also.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role35:13 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Any questions from the board? Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed35:21 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. If there's no public speakers, I'll go ahead and move this item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed35:26 · ≈ 9:35 AM

No request to speak.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role35:30 · ≈ 9:35 AM

There is a motion. Second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye Opposed? Unanimous. That was an aye from me, and your second item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed35:44 · ≈ 9:35 AM

Terminal Item 2 also from the Treasurer Tax Collector. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the issuance of bonds by the Housing Authority of the County of Santa Barbara for financing the acquisition and rehabilitation of Parkside Gardens Apartments. This is 48 units of affordable multifamily housing for seniors in the county of Santa Barbara.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed36:02 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Chair Williams and members of the board, this item was also heard on January 8th of this year by the Debt Advisory Committee. And it was recommended to hold the TEFRA hearing by your board. Again it's the same issuer John and Bob are here and we're here to answer any questions in the same rules apply to this also. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8236:22 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Well first, you're to be commended for producing more affordable housing for our most vulnerable citizens and I appreciate all the work that you do. I do have a question though and that is, and I see this particularly in the San Ynez Valley, what provision is made for services to these people once they move in? How is that incorporated into your planning process early stages?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed36:54 · ≈ 9:36 AM

Thank you very much, Chair Williams and Supervisor Hartman. That's really an excellent question. When you work with folks who are the most vulnerable there is a reason. You cannot just give them a key. And expect folks coming out of homelessness, folks coming out of substance abuse education and aversion programs to just automatically be able to sustain themselves just by getting housing. And so support services are something we work with very early on in the process. In fact at the time that we start going through the entitlement process We start identifying who it is that we're likely to serve.

And then what support services in the county are they going to need? And very early on, we start working with groups like Department of Behavioral Wellness, with Public Health. With Allan Hancock College, with a variety of different partners that we have who provide the types of support services that are really valuable and help our residents not just retain their housing but move forward. So thank you very much for that question.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8238:10 · ≈ 9:38 AM

And if I might just follow up, I think for example of non-profits like People Helping People in the Santa Ynez Valley and as new housing comes in there's new demands on that organization and not necessarily additional funding. So how does that come into play?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed38:30 · ≈ 9:38 AM

Chair Williamson, Supervisor Hartman. We have also had very limited funding in affordable housing. The structure and those of you on the debt advisory committee and others have been able to see it's very tight. And we pride ourselves in the fact that we only ask for the infusion of gap subsidy financing up front. And then operations are fully covered by the amount of rent that we're able to receive, which includes the support services that we can contribute to. So typically what we ask of our partners is we provide these support service space at no cost to them. That's actually built into the developments place to provide support services but we really have very limited resources.

to be able They'll apply for because we specifically know that they help to support our residents in the housing. So, we do work with our partners, people helping people is a valuable partner up in the Senate and we have many valuable partners throughout the county. And so, we really rely on them and in turn, we work to support their efforts to try to raise the funds as we increase the need for services by providing housing.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role39:59 · ≈ 9:39 AM

No further questions, comments? Can I get a motion? Motion by Wolff. Second by Hartman. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Unanimous. Thank you Mr. Hagan. We will break for closed session

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction40:23 · ≈ 9:40 AM

Chair Williams and supervisors, today in closed session the board is scheduled to consider one matter of existing litigation. In the case of Beverage versus City of Goleta at all two cases of anticipated litigation. One conference with real property negotiators for submerged lands off the coast of Carpentaria an area of platforms Hogan and Hochin. And one conference with labor negotiators for Bargaining units, unrepresented employees, managers and executives. And as I understand it we'll be having a closed session now and then resume closed sessions sometime closer to lunch. That's right

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role41:01 · ≈ 9:41 AM

so we won't necessarily do all those items at this point but will be back in here in about half an hour hopefully. So anyone who is watching who is interested in the cannabis hearing I don't

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8341:28 · ≈ 9:41 AM

know what word was passed out to everybody, but when I stopped in my office to grab my books this morning there was a note up in Santa Maria that said that items 3 and 4 would start at 11 o'clock.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role41:41 · ≈ 9:41 AM

Well, maybe we'll handle a couple more of those. Why don't we do this? We'll handle all except for one of the closed session items because I'm thinking that you guys probably want to eat lunch at some point so we'll keep one on reserve for that lunch and then we'll try to handle the rest and be back in more like 45 minutes. You. Hi, everyone. ¶. Hi, everyone.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:52:37 · ≈ 10:52 AM

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:52:41 · ≈ 10:52 AM

okay. We're going to reconvene and hear D3. Item D3, please proceed.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction1:52:56 · ≈ 10:52 AM

And Chair Williams the board did break for closed session but we did not complete the closed session agenda and I would recommend just having the report at the end of the next closed session.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:53:05 · ≈ 10:53 AM

Thank you

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:53:05 · ≈ 10:53 AM

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:53:06 · ≈ 10:53 AM

Gazzani Chair Williams, members of the Board. Item 3 is from Planning and Development today it's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the County and Montecito Planning Commissions regarding case numbers 17 ORD 4 9 & 10 which would amend county land use and development code the Montecito Land Use and Development Code in article 2 coastal zoning ordinance to establish regulations for cannabis to consider The recommendation of the County Planning Commission to approve case number 18 ORD 1, amending and partially rescinding Article 10 medical marijuana regulations. To consider the recommendation of the Agricultural Advisory Preserve Committee to approve case number 17 ORD 19 for amendments to uniform rules for agricultural preserves and farmland security zones.

And to submit a resolution transmitting case number 17 OR D10 to the Coastal Commission.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:54:01 · ≈ 10:54 AM

Good morning, Chair Williams and Supervisors. We are here today to present and receive a recommendation on the cannabis land use ordinances for the Land Use Development Code, the Coastal Zoning Ordinance, and the Montecito Land Use Development Code. My presentation today will include these components. We'll start out with a slide on the public process, then we will go into ordinance development and the standards that we created.

Other important standards that were made from our public processes. We'll show you the Montecito Planning Commission's recommendation and the County Planning Commission's recommendation, as well as the Agricultural Preserve Advisory Committee's recommendation in regards to the uniform rules. We'll also briefly go over our final environmental impact report and then finally end with our recommendations.

As you can see from this graphic, we have had an extensive public outreach process including updates to both this board and the planning commissions throughout the process. Ad hoc subcommittee public meetings. Presentations and updates to other county commissions like the Agricultural Preserve Advisory Committee, and the Agriculture Advisory Committee. We also held multiple meetings in the development of our final environmental impact report.

To start out our discussion on ordinance development I would like to go over the land use tables recommended by the planning commission. As you know, the county has the three zoning codes. The LUDC, the CZO and the MLUDC. The Montecito Land Use Development Code does not contain any zones whose intent or comparable uses would fit with commercial cannabis activities.

The land use development code contains more distinct zone districts than the coastal zoning ordinance. This table shows the zones that are in both the LUDC and the CZO as white, and the zones that only fall into the LUDC as blue. This table shows that the Planning Commission proposes to allow cultivation and nurseries in AG 1, AG 2, MRP which stands for Industrial Research Park.

M1 which is light industrial and M2 which is general industrial. The difference between cultivation and nurseries is, nurseries are where plants are grown from seed or clone. And cultivation is where plants are matured to harvest. Cultivation and nurseries are also proposed to be prohibited in all the commercial zoning districts shown at the bottom of this slide here.

Additionally, this table shows the other commercial cannabis activities and the zoning ordinances that are proposed to be allowed in them by permit level. P stands for a land use permit or a coastal development permit. LUPs and CDPs are the lowest form of permit that allows staff to review a proposed project for compliance with development standards. CUP stands for a major conditional use permit, which requires a public hearing before the planning commission.

The proposed ordinances before you today also increased the noticing buffer for all of these permit levels from 300 feet to 1,000 feet to property owners around the cannabis activity. The findings for a CUP require that the proposed project be reviewed for design, size, location and adequate water supply. As well as determining that the project will not detrimentally affect the public health, safety or welfare.

In creating this proposed land use table staff reviewed the intent of each zone to make sure the activities were suitable. We also analyzed each zone for comparable uses, like other services, bars, handcraft industries and professional labs. Through these steps staff created the proposed planning commission recommended land use tables before you today. Besides those permit levels, all commercial cannabis activities must comply with additional development standards including compliance with state and local regulations.

The preparation of energy conservation plans, landscaping and screening plans, and a comprehensive odor abatement plan. In addition to the new standards for cannabis, any activity must also comply with an existing code standard. For example, if the structural development is 20,000 square feet or more, the applicant must also apply for a development plan. Another example would be if the project was in an overlay zone, then it would also have to follow those overlay standards. In addition to our newly proposed cannabis regulations.

Through our public process we heard a lot about the serious detrimental effects that cannabis odors are having on neighborhoods in Santa Barbara County. With our EIR consultant and in conversations with officials from Colorado and Washington, we have developed comprehensive odor abatement plan requirements. With the main goal of reducing odors that are experienced within residential zones.

The requirements include standards like a description of all equipment and methods to be used for reducing odors. The plan is required to be certified by a professional engineer or industrial hygienist. There are variety of different systems that could be used and they could include carbon filtration systems, or vapor phase systems but only those that eliminate odor and not mask odor.

In addition, if we have larger parcels that are applying for cannabis activities, staff will also review them for project siting practices. That would take the cannabis activity as far away as possible from any adjacent residentially zoned properties. We have left this standard open and only use these suggestions so that as technology advances in these fields, the odor abatement plan can include that new technology.

The cannabis operator must also designate a local contact. This local contact has to be available 24 hours a day. She or he must have a complaint tracking and reporting system, both for their operation and also for how they submit these complaints to the county. The property owners are notified within 1,000 feet from the lot line of this local contact so they can call if any issues arise.

In addition, if three complaints are verified in a 365 day period, corrective action must be taken to mitigate the problem. These odor abatement plan regulations apply to all cultivators, nurseries, manufacturers, distributors and micro businesses regardless of zone. There are also a couple other important standards that were developed through our public process.

Including on AG-1 lots that are 20 acres or less, we have proposed to prohibit outdoor cultivation including outdoor cultivation within hoop structures. This is another odor mitigation measure. Cannabis cultivation within an EDRN, or if the cultivation is primarily accessed on a roadway within the EDRN has been bumped up to a major conditional use permit so we can review it for consistency with the neighborhood.

In addition, the state set forth an exemption of cannabis operations not being located within 600 feet of a school, daycare or youth center. The recommendation of the planning commission before you today has increased that to 1,000 foot buffer. Also in the ordinances before you today are volatile manufacturing having an additional buffer of 1,200 feet. And now I'd like to cover the recommendations of the planning commissions.

The Montecito Planning Commission supported staff's recommendations for the Montecito Land Use Development Code, but requested that the county planning commission increase the buffer from sensitive receptors from the state mandate of 600 feet to 1,500 feet. This new buffer would eliminate the allowance of cultivation and accessory uses in the Montecito community plan boundary, and the coastal zoning ordinance.

The CPC considered this recommendation and also made additional changes to the Coastal Zoning Ordinance and the LUDC, which are increasing the buffer from sensitive receptors to 1,000 feet. Prohibiting cultivation in nurseries in the C3 zone. Prohibiting non-volatile manufacturing in C1, C2, C3, and CS. Permitting manufacturing with a conditional use permit in SC and all the mixed-use zone districts.

Permitting retail with a CUP in all the mixed-use zone districts, and also they had additional amendments to the odor abatement plan which are shown in your ordinances. And prohibited on site consumption for retail establishments. This last item on the list was changed from staff's recommendation of 50% of product being grown onsite for the allowance of manufacturing and distribution to only 10.

This vote was carried with Commissioner Park, Blau and Faridi voting for the change and Commissioner Cooney and Brown voting against it in a straw poll. This is also a recommendation that staff is not in agreement with. The original 50% language was proposed to be consistent with how we treat other uses such as wineries and olive oil pressing in code. It also would be a major policy shift on how accessory uses are treated in the county, and would not maintain agriculture as the primary use in agricultural zones.

These changes were submitted to you in a memo dated January 31st as well. The Agricultural Preserve Advisory Committee is the recommending body to your board on changes to the uniform rules, which govern what can be done on Williamson Act property. The purpose of the uniform rules is to preserve agricultural land for maintenance of the agricultural economy of the state and to assure adequate food supply.

The APAC members held many meetings discussing cannabis, and there was much debate on how it was treated by the members. In the end, APAC determined that cannabis not be treated as an agricultural product but as a compatible use for Williamson Act purposes. Manufacturing retail testing and marketing would be prohibited on prime and non-prime any cultivation outside of the development envelope cannot exceed 5% of the premise or five acres whichever is less.

A development envelope is normally used for other non-ag structures, housing, roads or barns. On Super Prime it is proposed that cultivation only occur within this development envelope.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:07:08 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Just take a pause. Supervisor Adam has a question

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:07:13 · ≈ 11:07 AM

on uniform rules. Mr. Guzzone are we noticed today to take action on the uniform rules?

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CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction2:07:27 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Chair and Supervisor, there is an express action for adopting the resolution in ordinance amending the uniform rules within section 3B Roman numeral 4.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:07:39 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Though I'll for my part say that because Williamson Act is so important for the future of our county it may be advisable for us since we don't have to act on the uniform rules. It's not you know It doesn't have to be in the ordinance that maybe we talk about uniform rules at the March hearing instead of try to handle that all today. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.822:08:11 · ≈ 11:08 AM

I just wanted to say, I would support that as well just as you plan the agenda moving forward today.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:08:16 · ≈ 11:08 AM

Great. Please proceed. Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:08:23 · ≈ 11:08 AM

I don't want to take, I don't want to make that decision right now. I think the issue of uniform rules and why it's not included is an important statement about cannabis versus other ag products so we can see how the timing goes. But I don't know if our Ag Commissioner is here to speak to it, but I think we should at least discuss it and not move it. Because I do think it's definitely an important part of this discussion which is how do we look at cannabis? And how did the uniform rules look at it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:09:09 · ≈ 11:09 AM

Please proceed. And if I could just say one more thing, I'm not agreeing to laying that aside at this time. I'm just saying, I hear you. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:09:22 · ≈ 11:09 AM

Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:09:22 · ≈ 11:09 AM

La Pena?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:09:23 · ≈ 11:09 AM

Since everybody's weighing in, We've got a lot to do today, and I can already tell that this is going to be a touchy subject. So if it's not something that's mandatory that has to be dealt with today, I would just as soon put it in a parking lot. Thank you please proceed

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:09:47 · ≈ 11:09 AM

In the EIR, significant and unavoidable impacts were identified in these five environmental topic areas. Although mitigation measures would still be applied to reduce these impacts, staff has determined that the effects would likely remain significant. This is true for the more controversial issue of air quality related to odor. Other significant effects would be related to prime soils, increased traffic, noise related to traffic and cumulative impacts to visual resources.

And the second bullet here shows the impacts which have been mitigated with many of the development standards we have touched on in earlier slides. That concludes staff presentation on the proposed cannabis land use ordinances. We have a team of staff here today, as well as our ERR consultants to answer any questions that you may have. Additionally in the audience we have staff from the Air Pollution Control District and the Ag Commissioner.

I also have interactive maps of the county with various buffers around the schools and daycares that I can bring up to help facilitate discussions. We ask that your recommendations follow the wording of our memo dated January 31st, to capture the County Planning Commission's recommendations. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:11:24 · ≈ 11:11 AM

Any questions for the board? Then we'll move on to public comment. Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:11:35 · ≈ 11:11 AM

Thank you for your presentation, can you go back to the large land use table where it talks about all the different uses but I want to just focus on the micro business. The way I understand micro business is that it permits three out of four possible licenses which would be cultivation, distribution, non-volatile and or retail. And they can get up to three of those?

Is that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:12:17 · ≈ 11:12 AM

Supervisor Williams, Supervisor Wolfe. I actually have the definition here and I think that would help facilitate this conversation. So a micro business is three of the four following cultivation distribution non-volatile manufacturing or retail. And the reason that on that slide we have them as a conditional use permit is because as staff and also the planning commission's agreement This is something that would require a higher level of review. We did limit the retail to only be delivery for micro-businesses if they're in agricultural zones.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:13:02 · ≈ 11:13 AM

Any other

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:13:02 · ≈ 11:13 AM

questions? So then you could have some of these activities occur on zones that aren't currently allowed on that chart. As long as you get with the CUP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:13:21 · ≈ 11:13 AM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Wolfe and that is not correct. They would only be allowed in the zones that it shows the CUP here nowhere else. So micro-business would be allowed in AG1, C1 or I'm sorry, AG2, C 1, C 2, C 3, CS and then M 1 and M 2 so those manufacturing commercial and agricultural zones only.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:13:48 · ≈ 11:13 AM

Okay, so thank you for clarifying this. So then in C1 even though someone could get a micro business license and they could get up to three the way the chart reads is that actually they can only get two which would be testing and retail.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:14:08 · ≈ 11:14 AM

According Supervisor Williams, Supervisor Wolfe according to the definition of market visits you could do all three but the retail would have to be delivery.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:14:18 · ≈ 11:14 AM

Okay. And then on... I think that the changes that were made for EDRN requiring a CUP is definitely a step in the right direction. And, I've talked to staff and Mr. Gazzone about Act 2 as it relates to areas that abut an urban boundary line, urban limit boundary line, urban rural boundary line. Obviously I'm looking in my district because we have some of the same issues that you might see in an EDRN.

And then, I reviewed our Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan which was really specific with our little handy map Specifying the boundary line and also really explicit language about the importance of buffers. And looking at the traffic impacts, and so my question to you is, and I guess to Mr. Gazzone as well. Is there a way to look at all egg two to incorporate a CUP or in a particular zone, or in a particular area where there is an urban limit boundary line?

I don't know if other districts have these. I'm assuming they do but that might be language that could be used to protect In an act to area, so is there any suggestion that you could provide?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction2:16:06 · ≈ 11:16 AM

Chair and supervisors This is an area when we talk about planning and zoning law where the board Is working under a review standard of rational basis which is a Standard that provides a lot of discretion To the board, you're allowed to make distinctions with less than mathematical exactness. And we are dealing with a substance that at least under federal law cultivation of which is a crime. So the board has discretion in this area. I think the art would be in looking at a particular proposal and then playing that through the environmental document and the rest of the provisions in the zoning ordinances.

And ruling out any unintended consequences, whether it's a mitigation measure or there's an impact on some other item. So some of the changes that the board might propose today if they're small enough might be adopted today. Others we would recommend you make clear what the goal is and then my recommendation would have staff return so we could do a fuller analysis on that and provide recommended language.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:17:20 · ≈ 11:17 AM

So let me ask you, Mr. Gazzone, so a CUP would be something that would be a reasonable addition?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction2:17:31 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Chair and Supervisor Wolf, the level of permit review is something that should be within the discretion of the board. And again I would just want to work through and make sure that we don't have some paragraph someplace else that's talking about that being a land-use permit. We'd want to make sure that we catch all of the things that are linked to that and make sure that there's not some other factor in the ordinance or in the environmental document That for example an alternative that you're not accepting because of a particular factor and we just work through that. So some of these could go quickly, others we recommend more time to make sure that we get it right when we bring it back to you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:18:09 · ≈ 11:18 AM

So to staff then, that is something that you could see being feasible as I understood from our discussion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:18:18 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Wolfe. We did go and look and see where else AG 2 abuts residential across the county. And there are quite a few areas. And so we prepared that in our mapping exercise to show that but it's definitely something in your purview as a board member.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:18:37 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Mr. Chair is it time to look at that now?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:18:41 · ≈ 11:18 AM

I'd prefer for us to get some public comment first.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:18:46 · ≈ 11:18 AM

Okay, but the bottom line is that so you have maps a map for that where it shows that we're at abut. So it's not necessarily all AG-2 properties. So it could be specific to those that abut?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:19:05 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Wolff, so we prepared maps that showed where all AG- 2 properties in the county about residential zones Without any buffer of AG1 between them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:19:17 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Okay, so that is something I'm just confirming with Mr. Gazzone that we can look at as including as a CUP either the abutting or all AG2?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction2:19:30 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Yes, and as we go through that exercise we'll be looking at other zoning principles to make sure that there are no unintended consequences in doing that. But the level of permit review is something that should be within the board's rational basis discretion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:19:45 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Okay I have as you might know tons of comments to make but I'll wait till after public comment.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:19:56 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.822:19:57 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I share Supervisor Wolfe's concern and if I understand it correctly it's what about Ag-2 cannabis cultivation that abuts not just residentially zoned areas but residential areas such as EDRNs? And so my question is, a CUP might be one strategy. Could setbacks be another? And are there even more strategies to address the potential conflict between AG2 cannabis cultivation and residential areas whether zoned residential or not?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:38 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Hartman, as you know our ordinances do propose setbacks from other uses like those sensitive receptors. If that is a direction your board would like to go for residential. As staff, we would prefer that it was residentially zoned because that makes it a lot easier to administer that buffer.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:21:04 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Any other questions? Let's go to public comment. We only have time for two minutes each. We do have 30 something speakers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:14 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Chair Williams, members of the board we have just about 40.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:21:19 · ≈ 11:21 AM

So I really implore unless all of you want to be here until seven o'clock to go under your two minutes when possible.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:21:28 · ≈ 11:21 AM

Okay we're going to start in Santa Maria with Renee O'Neill to be followed by Katherine Donovan So the board and the public is aware they do have some slides they're going to be showing during the next three speakers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:21:55 · ≈ 11:21 AM

First, can I ask a question regarding this slide show? Is it possible to have a small picture at the bottom right-hand corner of the screen where I can see the slides?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:22:09 · ≈ 11:22 AM

No, sorry. That is something you might want to work out ahead of time with our technicians next time but it's whatever is on the computer so please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:22:22 · ≈ 11:22 AM

proceed. Okay. Good morning supervisors. I do not support the 1,000-foot buffer zone. I would support one mile buffer zones around schools, daycares, centers, youth centers and all the other categories in that area. You would not put up with these buffer zones if it were your children or grandchildren attending a school a mere 1,000 feet from a cannabis operation. This is absolutely absurd.

You don't live within one half mile of a cannabis farm but we do. We have observed documented and had to deal with the endless stream of commercial cannabis activity traffic associated with this industry Heavy commercial water tankers, Trojan fuel trucks, tractor equipment, bulldozers, bobcats, skip and drag, semi-trucks, box trucks. Utility trucks delivering hoop house materials, truckload after truckload of tons of soil, potted cannabis plants and the variety of box trucks that haul their harvested products out of the county and most likely out of the state.

In addition, there's a constant stream of farm worker traffic commuting back and forth from town every morning night and day on our narrow undivided Canyon Road. And while the cannabis caravan of commercial vehicles roll along that same road all day long. The escalation of collisions with critical and severely injured victims has doubled in the last year. The escalation Of accidents which are not reported by the California Highway Patrol, I've had four within one-eighth mile of my property in the last month and a half.

And those accidents don't go reported. My photos serve as documented testimony. You're going to have

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:24:27 · ≈ 11:24 AM

to wrap

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:24:28 · ≈ 11:24 AM

up here. Oh, sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Kathy Donovan's coming up to continue with the slideshow. To

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:24:35 · ≈ 11:24 AM

be followed by Linda Tunnel.

CommentKatherine DonovanProposedself-stated2:24:38 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Good morning. I'm Katherine Donovan and I live in Tippiscay Canyon and the slide show your viewing is just a daily type We have a lot of traffic on the Tippiscay Canyon Road, and it's very dangerous and narrow and windy. And most of this is just right at the entrance of one of the illegal roads that is in Tippiscay Canyon. So we really need not to have all of this traffic in our narrow area. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:25:15 · ≈ 11:25 AM

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:25:22 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Chair Williams, Supervisors and staff, I want to thank you all for your dedication to this unprecedented situation we find ourselves in where you are planning to legalize a Class 1 drug. The protections provided in the Land Use Ordinance are good. They could be stronger. We still have concerns and you're hearing them today. but you have the ability to revisit and change them, and make them better.

Hopefully it will be before any irrevocable damage has been done for our water, our neighbors or our property value. The protection of our children, our neighbors, our communities, our county is the most important goal you have to juggle. It's kept me up at night as I'm sure it did you. And a purely personal point of view How did Santa Barbara County, this beautiful area that people want to come live, visit, recreate in get to the point where we have to shake hands with the devil to pay our bills.

Where the homeless and gangs and shootings are weekly events and now we're legalizing drugs to add to the mix all for the sake of the almighty dollar.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:26:43 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Sure. We're wrapping up public comment cards, and so just FYI you've got to get them in now or hold your peace. Please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:26:57 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Lil Clary. My name is Lil

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:26:59 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Clary.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:27:01 · ≈ 11:27 AM

To be followed by David

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:27:02 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Clarkson. I'm representing the Hefeskay Canyon Crisis Committee today. There are seven of us present at this end of the video conference What can I tell you that you haven't heard from us before? We've just engaged in a ten-month long process to keep commercial cannabis operations out of our neighborhood. We have attended, spoken at or written public comment in support of our goal.

Photos of us in our purple visor caps have graced the front pages of local newspapers. You may admire or curse us but as you now know we don't give up and we do not go away. We value our privacy. We live in Tepeskaya Canyon because we don't want close neighbors, or noise, or traffic, or cannabis. Our experience with the current growers only reinforces this latter point.

Today I urge you to pass the ordinance. It doesn't include all the protections I think we need, particularly in the area of enforcement of both legal and illegal grows but it gets the process started. Nothing precludes your revisiting this matter once we have some experience with its provisions. I also urge that you get the ballot language approved in order to meet the timeline for the June election. Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:18 · ≈ 11:28 AM

you. David Clary to be followed by Steve Junak

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:28:25 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Good morning. We've been appalled by the tremendous increase of illegal cannabis cultivation in Tepeskaya Canyon in the last few years. Some growers show unbelievable arrogance, openly flaunting the county ordinances and state law and the rights of residents, the residents of Tepeskaya Canyon. The goal of the Tepescaya Canyon Crisis Committee has been to eliminate all commercial cannabis-related activities in Tepesqueya Canyon. It threatens our quality of life in our existing developed rural neighborhood.

This term, Existing Developed Rural Neighborhood or EDRN is an official zoning category. We are now facing a compromise imposed by the county that is a plan to allow cannabis cultivation in AG-1 and AG-2 parcels where a grower can meet a cup requirement for cultivation activities in EDRN's or parcels where the sole means of ingress and egress is through an EDRM.

The growers are unhappy with this cup requirement. We are not happy that a grower might actually be able to meet the cup standard, however it is time to accept this compromise and keep the process moving. Enforcement, the draft land use ordinance contains no enforcement provision. The current enforcement provisions used by the county for zoning violations are cumbersome and unworkable with regard to cultivation activities by illegal cannabis growers. The county has much more effective enforcement provisions in the deciduous oak pre-protection and regeneration ordinance The county should incorporate those provisions or something in that order to establish procedures that the sheriff can use for effective enforcement. Critical to this step are the following.

First, make it possible for the county to file a violation either as an infraction or misdemeanor and instead of a maximum of six months, it should entail a maximum of 10 months in prison if there is a meaningful period of time in jail. Second, provide for a meaningful fine. The Oak Ordinance allows a fine of up to $25,000 per day the violation exists. It might need to be higher to be effective against cannabis growers. Third, the county should develop provisions for immediate unannounced access to any grow site consistent with the Fourth Amendment search and seizure case law. This would prevent the gaming of the system that the current delays allow. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:30:37 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Steve Junak then we're going to come back to Senator Barbara for Denise Fellows and then Andy Caldwell.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:30:46 · ≈ 11:30 AM

Good morning Chair Williams and County Supervisors. I really hope that you will prohibit all outdoor cannabis activity or cultivation, including hoop structures on Ag 1 and Ag 2 parcels that are less than 40 acres in size. On these larger parcels surrounding residents can hopefully be protected from the odors associated with dense commercial cannabis grow sites and neighborhood safety and quality of life are less likely to be compromised.

Limiting outdoor grow sites to ag parcels 40 acres or larger would also make sense if you were to adopt today Supervisor Adams' proposal to eliminate the requirements for odor controls on parcels of that size. I hope that you will not allow a situation where the odor associated with cannabis grows is detected by any neighbors. Limiting outdoor cannabis grow sites to these larger parcels would help to preserve quality of life for everyone in Santa Barbara County. This is not a situation where the cannabis farm was present in an area, and then people moved into the surrounding neighborhood and started to complain. The surrounding neighborhood was already there when illegal growers moved in. Commercial growth site should not be permitted where the odors produced by them passes beyond their property's boundaries.

Within the past few months, illegal cannabis growth sites have proliferated in our neighborhood and Sabata Canyon. The rapidly expanding presence has provided a preview of what life would be like if these intensive commercial operations were to be legally permitted. They are having a tremendous impact on neighbors and should not be allowed to continue their operations any longer.

Please move forward with enforcement proceedings and help us protect the rural residential neighborhoods of the county, especially those in Sabata and Tepeskay Canyons where the conflicts have become so apparent. Please limit commercial growth sites to areas where the smallest number of people will be affected by their activities. The decisions that you make today will affect our community for years to come.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:32:49 · ≈ 11:32 AM

Back to Senator Barbara Ford, Denise Fellows then Andy Caldwell.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:32:53 · ≈ 11:32 AM

And I just want to say the model should be the TPSK folks only one of them went over by 11 seconds and two of them were under but considerably so we can model that behavior.

CommentNoel McGivernProposed · by introduction2:33:07 · ≈ 11:33 AM

Good morning Supervisors thank you. I'm a resident of Rancho Del Ciervo We choose to live in the foothills for the beauty and quiet of our neighborhood. We have 176 homes that abut the orchards in our area. We would be very negatively affected if cannabis grows were allowed in our footholds. There are hundreds of children that live there. They are sensitive receptors, they're home every day, every night, every weekend and currently you're only allowing a 1,000 foot buffer zone. I would propose that you increase that zone by threefold.

The orchards are literally right out our back doors, there is no separation. Please do not allow cannabis to grow in these mixed-use neighborhoods on the Ag-2 properties adjacent to our neighborhoods. Please at a minimum require a CUP where the growers would have to abide by the rules that are set. Our home values will plummet due to the smell and other factors that would be associated with cannabis grows. Please don't allow combustible manufacturing in these areas. The Gap Fire, we were protected by the orchards.

If cannabis were to grow there we will no longer have that protection. Not only would it make it difficult for our neighborhoods to have protection, there'd be increased traffic smell and I really think it may be extremely difficult for us to even be able to have homeowners insurance. It would be very difficult to get. So I ask you to please increase the requirements by the growers and to please move the grows away from our mixed-use neighborhoods right next to our beautiful orchards. Please help us to remain the beautiful Santa Barbara County that we are and to maintain a healthy quality of life for all of our residents, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:35:05 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Andy Caldwell will be followed by Eric Edwards

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:35:08 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Chair Williams, members of the Board, Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. What I've heard from your board over the last couple years is that you want marijuana gross and one of the reasons you want them is because you want the money. Well if this is your effort to facilitate marijuana, I'd hate to see what it would look like if you were against it. This thing is more of a maze than a plan, and it's more of a landmine than a facilitation effort. You're squeezing the smaller property owners and you're basically excluding the larger ones which are in the Williamson Act.

So what are you left with? We think Supervisor Adams' plan is what you should start with in terms of your negotiations and deliberations. And I've always been upset that the AAC doesn't get equal play with the APAC, and the AAC two years ago said it was a troubling precedent That the board would ban the growth of an ag commodity. They don't want the county dictating what crops may or may not be grown in the county on AgZone properties.

And I don't know why that's not in your board letter, because they were clear on that. We understand there's problems with pot but the bottom line the voters in the state of California said they want it and you guys have sent messages that you want it. What you have in front of you is a mixed message and again it's a maze. It's a labyrinth. If there's a will, you've got to find a way and what's in front of you today is no way. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:37:01 · ≈ 11:37 AM

Eric Edwards to be followed by Annette Russell.

PresenterEric EdwardsHeadwaters a local operator in CarpinteriaProposedself-stated2:37:09 · ≈ 11:37 AM

Good morning Chair Williams, Supervisors. My name is Eric Edwards and I'm here representing Headwaters a local operator in Carpinteria. I want to thank you and your staff for all your hard work in advancing the cannabis regulations it's really appreciated. I'm here to voice our general support for the proposed ordinance with the exception of requiring a conditional use permit for ancillary distribution activities on AG1 lands.

These distribution activities simply consist of transporting product from one licensee to another using small sprinter vans and are really no different from the operations and activities of local flower growers. Under the state regulations, however, distribution is an instrumental activity and local operations desperately need the ability to apply for state distribution licenses as soon as possible.

We hope that you would reconsider your approach and lower the permitting requirements for ancillary distribution activities on AG-1 lands. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:38:03 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Annette Russell to be followed by Jill Hackey.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:38:10 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Good morning, so as a state we legalized cannabis and then the way I interpreted it seems like Each city now is allowed to make their own laws and regulations. Doesn't quite make sense to me, I'm trying to find out and make sense of the maze and elaborate of where I am allowed to be as non-volatile manufacturer. And I do that with myself and one other person there should I don't understand I can make no sense, only of where I'm not allowed to be.

And I guess today we're here to try and figure out where hopefully manufacturers are allowed to do business? Is that correct? Is that our goal?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:39:06 · ≈ 11:39 AM

There's normally a go back and forth in public comment but that is only one of the many many questions today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:39:17 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Jill Hackey to be followed by Case Van Wingerden.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:39:22 · ≈ 11:39 AM

And I would be lax if I didn't mention that clapping is against the rules of the house, so please refrain from doing that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:39:32 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I want to start off with thanking you all for your hard diligent work that you've done here. I have a small farm And as you all know, that's all AG up there. It's surrounded by small boutique wineries. If you go ahead with a proposal that you're with anything under 20 acres, this will devastate the small farmer. I have a license with you and Marijuana, medical marijuana since 2015.

No one even knows that I'm there. I've had no complaints. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful farm and we're doing a good job with our patients and So as I've heard from numerous people that have been up here this morning, a total different situation. I'm a senior citizen. I've invested in my farm. I have a large investment in it and this would devastate me And every small farm grower, if you go under and only let calamari in 20 acres and above.

You know, this is Santa Barbara. We should have small boutique farms that are able to grow what we need to grow and want to grow in our life. You're going to have to wrap

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:41:47 · ≈ 11:41 AM

up. You're going over time. Thank you for your time. Case Van Wingerden

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:41:50 · ≈ 11:41 AM

followed by Peter Imhoff

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed2:42:01 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Good morning, I've been a flower grower in Carpinteria for 47 years. I would ask that you delay action on the amendment and give us staff to work with the growers to come up with a better solution on greenhouses that are in agriculture preserve. And to give you some background on Carpinteria Valley, I've lived there for 51 years. The local rose, crehendums and gerber industry are gone because of foreign competition. We can no longer compete with $2 an hour farm workers in South America.

My company supplies both Vons, Elvis and Safeway Northern California with the California grown bouquet, the number one seller. We're no longer making margin, so I need a new crop to supplement what I'm doing in carpenteria and it really should be in the greenhouses that are already there because everything else works. We've proven that we're responsible and sustainable To add to this, we supply Kings and City markets in Colorado. We're Kroger's number one supplier but again we no longer make a margin so we need a new crop to sustain what we're doing and pay our people the $15 an hour they deserve. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:43:21 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Peter Imhoff to be followed by Linda Laskin

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:43:25 · ≈ 11:43 AM

Thank you, good morning. Peter Imhoff, Planning Director for the City of Goleta. The City of Goleta is also engaged in developing an ordinance to regulate cannabis uses. We're dealing with a lot of the same issues that the county has and deciding how to grapple with them. We are concerned, we have serious concerns that the approach that the county is taking that would allow cannabis uses under this ordinance would have negative impacts on the residents and the quality of life of the city of Goleta Due to odor, views, public safety, traffic and land use compatibility. And these impacts are not adequately addressed or mitigated.

Our city is surrounded by both Ag One and Ag Two lands in the county on its northern, western and eastern boundaries. And ag land comes down and abuts our residential neighborhoods. Our concerns are principally with respect to cultivation and retail uses. Under the ordinance, cannabis cultivation would be allowed on both AG-1 parcels greater than 20 acres and AG-2 zone land with only a land use permit as well as an array of intensive accessory uses including manufacturing and microbusiness without any buffer from adjacent urban areas or residential neighborhoods. The view mitigations that are proposed, the screen plan and the landscape plan measures identified in the final EIR would require screening only quote unquote to the maximum extent feasible.

And would allow exceptions from screening on slopes and due to other site specific conditions. Similarly, the odor abatement plan is inadequate. It would depend on subjective enforcement by county planning staff and require aggrieved parties to contact the violator rather than the county. So, the city would like to request that the county impose objective enforceable standards and separation from residential uses is really the only adequate measure. We'd ask that you prohibit cannabis cultivation on Ag-1 lands, prohibit cannabis cultivation on Ag-2 properties that are adjacent to or near residential zones. Also require a substantial minimum setback for many residential zones of at least one mile.

Upwear feasible language from the landscape and screening plan requirements. Require major conditional use permits for cannabis cultivation within close proximity to residential areas, and limit manufacturing distribution uses to cannabis cultivated on site to ensure that they're truly accessory. And then finally with respect to retail we'd ask that there be greater protections for residential areas from retail cannabis locations that a minimum buffer be imposed from residential areas and that sales be banned or permitted only with a major conditional use permit. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:46:00 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Linda Laskin to be followed by Matt Allen

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:46:07 · ≈ 11:46 AM

Good afternoon. I just had a question with the federal government recognizes cannabis as being illegal, so what are the regulations and laws set forth for police how to govern all of this? How to handle situations and crimes. And also with the thousand foot setback from schools, I know in Goleta there's a 7-Eleven that's on Hollister close to Patterson. And they were not given a liquor's license because they are so close to St. Rayfield School. So I'm not sure how 1,000 feet from a school is something that would be legal.

And I think you need to just slow down on this whole process and take all of these things into consideration and not to move it through so fast because there's a lot to be concerned with neighborhoods and families crime. And also Santa Barbara is known as being beautiful destination for tourists to come and vacation, and we're going to lose that. I think if we turn this into the cannabis capital of the Central Coast, I think that would make it an undesirable place to come and visit so thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:47:25 · ≈ 11:47 AM

Matt Allen to be followed by John DeFrio

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:47:36 · ≈ 11:47 AM

Good morning, Supervisors. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm here to support the Land Use and Development Code changes proposed by staff. I want to thank them for their time. While I don't think it's perfect, I think it's a good start. But I do want to point out that having listened this morning to a lot of the complaints about It seems to come from residential areas and people wanting buffers a distance from residential areas. I look at the land use and development code, I see that Ag 1 less than 20 is banned for outdoor growing. I see that you all want to look at increasing a buffer zone from sensitive receptors.

And as a lawyer, that implies to me listen. You should look at the larger AG 2 parcels as the place to do this because you won't have the impacts on the rest of the community. Those parcels have their own buffers, they're out in the country, they're away from the impact, the receptors. And then I look at the uniform rules and the proposal from the APAC, and I say this makes absolutely no sense.

If we want to put the growing into the larger ag parcels, those are Ag-2, those are in the Williamson Act. So how do we tell the community we want to put the growth into the Ag-II parcels? And yet we only want them to grow 5 acres or 5% on those Ag parcels. I would ask that you look at that rule and first off discard it and start over and have Cannabis be considered an agricultural use under the Williamson Act. Let it be not just compatible, let it be an agricultural use so that people with a Williamson Act contract can grow as much of this cannabis as they want. This is an incredibly complex and difficult compliance and permitting process I don't think you all want A large number of small farms that are having difficulty complying with the rules and getting in trouble.

You want larger farms that are well run and compliant, secure, and safe for our community. And I would implore you to get rid of the land use development code changes, redo it, and allow them to grow cannabis at any amount they want. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:49:58 · ≈ 11:49 AM

Be followed by Danielle Huerta.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:50:00 · ≈ 11:50 AM

So after the last speaker and Mr. Imhoff, we've got to be back on time a little bit more. John you can set an example

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed2:50:09 · ≈ 11:50 AM

All right, thank you very much for the opportunity to speak with you here today. I'd like to start out just discussing the scale of this industry relative to other industries in the county. According to the HDL analysis and the economic numbers and the price per pound discussed, to supply the statewide market it would only take about 700-1500 acres of production for the entire statewide industry. Right now there's about 120 acres in production in the county so let's just assume that Santa Barbara County produces half of all the cannabis in the state That would be between 350 and 700 acres of production. There's currently, according to the Ag Commissioner's crop report, 67,000 acres of vegetable crops, 20,000 acres of fruit and nut crops, 21,000 acres of wine, and then 60,000 acres of field and seed production.

The remainder about 800,000 is the national forest so even if If 700 acres or even 1500 acres of cannabis were produced in Santa Barbara County, it would be under 1% of all agricultural productivity in the county. Yet it would return the highest tax revenue of any crop in the entire county. Additionally I'd like to also support Peter Adams' recommendation that Ag 2 40 acres or greater be exempt from the odor abatement plan but along with Janet Wolf's recommendation have this not be abutting residentially zoned properties And if we look at the intention of the Williamson Act is to keep land in ag.

We're applying for permits from the California Department of Food and Agriculture. We submit all of our spray reports to the Ag Commissioner, no one else does those two things and it's not considered agriculture. As long as cannabis allows lands to be returned to productivity for any crop, it is in compliance with the Williamson Act. And if we're not allowed to use our land to the maximum efficiency, you're increasing sprawl which increases traffic, decreases economies of scale. Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed2:52:11 · ≈ 11:52 AM

Thank you Supervisors and staff. I have been shocked that in pursuit of profit, cannabis growers have turned beautiful Carpinteria into a stink zone. They have made it unbearable for residents who have lived there comfortably for decades. I smell the skunk stink of cannabis everywhere throughout Carpinteria now Driving on Via Real, driving on the 192 corridor especially near Carpinteria High School. At Kate's school inside a home I visit off Santa Monica Road and even at Santa Claus Beach.

If you allow this to continue it will clearly drive down property values and the tax basis on which our government functions. At a minimum, cannabis production should be prohibited near residential zones and school zones. And I would urge you to extend the buffer zone to one mile. In the very least case No outdoor or hoop cultivation should be allowed near residential or school zones.

I urge you to enact the strongest possible odor abatement restrictions. Going forward, if cannabis producers cannot stop odor from reaching homes or schools it should not be permitted in our community. I strongly urge you to take a very conservative approach to permitting production of cannabis near homes and residential areas, especially while all the agencies involved are educating themselves about the implications and proper handling of the very great impacts of cannabis on our community. Thank You.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:53:45 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Kevin Holm be followed by Paul Ekstrom

PresenterKevin HomUFCW Local 770Proposedself-stated2:53:51 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Good morning Honorable Chair and Supervisors. My name is Kevin Hom, I'm here on behalf of UFCW Local 770. You may be more familiar with our grocery clerks at your local Albertsons or Vons but our union also represents cannabis workers in dispensaries and cultivation operations statewide. Since the passage of the Compassionate Use Act we have fought diligently to ensure that cannabis workers are treated with respect And that both consumers and workers benefit from the professionalization of this industry.

We hope to be included in the ongoing development of commercial cannabis ordinances, so that we can offer our experience in drafting cannabis legislation as a resource to the county. We're pleased that the proposed land use ordinance has taken an expansive approach to permitting commercial cannabis use in the city. However, the county should not require commercial cannabis applicants to seek land use approvals in addition to licensing approval. Under a separate regulatory scheme, we urge the county to look to the regulatory scheme recently passed by the City of Los Angeles. Los Angeles has created an efficient process whereby its Department of Cannabis Regulation checks for land use compliance but applicants are not required to go through a planning commission or other land use approval process.

The County of Santa Barbara should develop a similarly streamlined process that allows the county to maximize the community benefits received in the process. We understand that the county has not yet developed its licensing ordinance, however we hope to offer our vast experience in the cannabis industry and in drafting relevant legislation when that time comes.

We also support implementing the taxation scheme, which I know you folks will be talking about soon. 1% for nurseries, 3% for manufacturers, 4% for cultivators and 6% for retail. We believe that it'll provide the county with sufficient resources to ensure that its ordinances can be enforced. A portion of that money should be allocated for enforcement of compliance with state and local labor laws. And to that end, the county must adopt a mechanism for monitoring compliance with the provisions of that ordinance. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:55:53 · ≈ 11:55 AM

Paul Ekstrom. To be followed by Spencer Brandt.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed2:56:01 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Supervisors and staff, thank you. I've been a Carpinteria Valley resident since 1970. I love the community, love the coast there. Saturday night my wife and I had an opportunity to dine in Sullivan. We had a beautiful dinner outside. Didn't smell cannabis, didn't smell cheap perfume either. At home, I cannot do that anymore. I can't even enjoy my own property outside.

I support the hard work you're doing, your staff. This has to be addressed. I'm a golden rule type of guy. If my neighbors want to grow cannabis and it doesn't impact me fine but they are impacting me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:56:45 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Thank you. Spencer Brandt To be followed by Leo Elevitz

PresenterSpencer Brandt I'mthem here todayProposedself-stated2:56:58 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Good morning Chair Williams, Supervisors. My name is Spencer Brandt I'm a director on the Isla Vista Community Service District Board of Directors though not representing them here today. A couple of days ago myself and a number other community leaders and residents in Isla Vista sent a letter to your board urging you to adopt the minimum 600 foot buffer zone between sensitive receptor sites and commercial retail cannabis operations In Isla Vista, the adoption of a larger buffer zone would preclude if you went with the Planning Commission's recommendation around 40% of the existing eligible retail space. If you went with a larger recommendation all of our commercial area in Isla Vista As you know, I don't have to tell you that Isla Vista is very much a college town by its culture.

It is very youthful and residents are very much in support of a retail operation. Make no mistake that cannabis in Isla Vista especially and all along the south coast I think is already in our communities. I know this firsthand myself, because I've had experiences before smoking marijuana as many people in Isla Vista have. And the truth is that when it is done illegally, when it is purchased on the black market, when it is unregulated there are a lot of health hazards and health risks that come along with that.

Personally, I've had the experience of smoking marijuana or cannabis that has been laced with another illicit substance. It was a health concern that ultimately set me into a fit of rage and anxiety attack. I became an endanger to myself and to everyone else who was on the premises. This ended with myself being sort of carted off by public safety personnel, and I you know ended up safe over the time but when you have A legal regime where there is testing, where there is monitoring. Where we take a harm reduction approach to make sure that when this product is being consumed it's being treated properly and there are no other substances in it. I think everyone is more safe and I think that's why a dispensary in Isla Vista would be of big help.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:59:09 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Leo Elevitz followed by Amy Steinfeld.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:59:15 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Chairman Williams, Supervisors. I think it's important for me to point out that the APAC recommendations that are here for you even though you're going to consider it later those recommendations were brought before the Planning Commission on January 24th And three, at least three of the planning commissioners Farini, Blau and Park were adamantly opposed to those APAC recommendations.

They saw that they saw them as Directly in conflict with the recommendations that you see here. And directly in conflict with what everyone is trying to deal with as far as proximity to urban areas. 80%, at least 80% of AG2 areas in the county are on Williamson Act land, They looked at those APAC recommendations. And even though the APAC committee did, they did make modifications to what they originally were going to present to you.

So I have to give them that they're open minded to that because they heard what other cultivation operators brought to them. But in essence, the recommendations as they stand now would push out all that AG2 cultivation and if they're going to go anywhere within the county they're going to be on AG1 land which is exactly what you guys don't want to do. So please when it comes time to consider those the APAC recommendations that you also look closely at what happened to that January 24th meeting thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:01:16 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Amy Steinfeld to be followed by Charlotte Brownlee.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:01:20 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Good morning, I'm Kate's school attorney. The Kate School is located in the Carp Foothills. While we commend the county for addressing unregulated and illegal cannabis, the solution is not to permit an unlimited number of cannabis operations in the county. As a foundational issue, we are concerned that the proposed ordinance is far less stringent than those being adopted or being considered by other jurisdictions including San Luis Obispo County, Ventura County, and even Los Angeles County.

This means that Santa Barbara County will attract more cannabis operations and the adverse impacts will be concentrated here. Kate appreciates the additional safeguards added by the planning commission to the ordinance, but we urge the county to consider the following. First, strengthening the odor abatement plan to provide protections for all sensitive receptors not just residential zones and to reduce odors to the maximum extent achievable through use of best available control technology.

Second, prohibiting outdoor cultivation in AG-1 zone districts which was analyzed in the EIR as alternative one. Third, prohibiting volatile manufacturing at AG- 1 zone districts which was also analyzed in the EIR as alternative one. Outdoor cultivation manufacturing presents significant public safety concerns and also fire concerns for neighboring properties in AG 1 zones.

Fourth, cap and phasing of cannabis cultivation operations by region This was analyzed in EIR as alternative three, the environmentally superior alternative. As we noted in our letter, other jurisdictions have placed reasonable caps on the number of permits issued. Lastly, the ordinance should include a requirement that the county conduct a comprehensive annual survey and monitoring report to ensure that licensed cultivators are abiding by their permit conditions.

This addition combined with a go slow phased approach will allow the county to monitor and mend their program annually. We urge the county to continue this item to consider these additional safeguards. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:03:24 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Charlotte Brownlee to be followed by Ben Williams.

CommentCharlotte BrownleeProposedself-stated3:03:28 · ≈ 12:03 PM

Good morning Supervisors, my name is Charlotte Brownlee. I'm an assistant head of school at the Cates School also a lifetime resident of Sand River County. First we want to thank the Planning Commission for recommending reasonable changes to the ordinance including especially the increase in the buffer zone to 1,000 feet and the improvement in odor regulations however in its current form the ordinance will adversely impact the quality of life in Carpinteria Valley and throughout the county our primary concerns are It continues to favor the interests of the cannabis industry over local residents and the public health and safety of the community. It allows outdoor cannabis cultivation on parcels greater than 20 acres in AG-1 zones. Because it's impossible to sequester odors from outdoor grows, numerous schools and residences in AG- 1 zones will be impacted.

We put up a map here of this. Around Kate, there are more than 30 parcels of greater than 20 acres within a one square mile of Kate. So even with the 1,000 foot buffer we would continue to experience noxious odors. It allows volatile manufacturing and AG-1 zones which presents a fire risk to our school and surrounding foothill communities. As you well aware, Santa Barbara County has been subject to numerous large fires over the past decade.

It does not require a permittees odor abatement plan to reduce odors experienced by sensitive receptors like schools and AG-1 zones. For us, this will mean that the odors will continue to negatively impact our teachers and our students. It does not place a cap on the number of permits that the county can issue for commercial cannabis by region. And without a cap in Carpe Valley we will continue to experience the lion's share of impacts. Carp Valley is clearly a hot spot for cannabis growers as this is evidenced by hundreds of temporary licenses. To date, 84% of the licenses in the county have been issued for carp and we are now number two in carpentry behind Humboldt County.

In sum putting the community at risk to support an industry that will provide the county with unknown quantity of revenue and will result in significant impacts is unwise and nearsighted. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:05:27 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Ben Williams to be followed by Tom Deardorff.

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CommentEric EdwardsProposed · by introduction3:05:32 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Good morning. For 20 years I've stood before this, worked with this county on a variety of issues in representing Kate and our 400 residents. During that time we have partnered with the county on creek restoration, steelhead habitat, alternative energy, water treatment and reclamation, traffic control, conditional use permits, historic building preservation, all of this on the 2,000 acres that Kate owns, all of which has been funded by Kate. During that time, the priorities have been crystal clear among the county and among the school. Clean air, clean water, community safety, a limitation on traffic, preservation of the character and quality of life in the Carpinteria Valley.

Kate is an enthusiastic partner in all that, has invested heavily in Carpinteria. And yet in the last year we have seen a process that seems to be devoid of all of those priorities that were so prevalent for the last 20 years. In Carp, the air has been befouled you know this. The voices of its occupants have been generally ignored. The environmental hazards have been largely overlooked and the safety concerns remain at this point totally unaddressed Three times in the last six months I have been to the Sheriff's Office and Carpinteria, and not a single time have I found anyone there. It is no longer staffed. You have to call the Santa Barbara to get someone to come down so you want complaints put somebody there and you'll get plenty of them.

Steve Case when he was running America Online had a great comment when somebody said how come you guys are so successful? He said the main thing to remember is that the main thing should always be the main thing We have lost track of the main thing. It is pretty clear what we should be doing, and yet we are not. When the floods came through less than a week ago, the bottom of Cape Mesa was inundated not simply with mud but with cannabis all around us. We have to do something about that. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:07:38 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Tom Deardorff to be followed by Gabby Edwards.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed3:07:44 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Hello, Tom Deardorff. I'm a resident of Santa Barbara. My children attend school in the Carpinteria Valley. I am also a fourth generation family farming company that's been in the state of California now for over 80 years. I spend 95% of my time in front of governmental agencies telling them You're doing too much, right? You're over-regulating us. I'm completely shocked I'm here today to tell you guys aren't doing enough. This is a joke. Okay, you guys are not protecting the environment. You're not protecting the workers who are going to have to deal with this stuff and you're certainly not protecting these local communities.

What you've done is create a system that Advances forward ahead of regulation. The assumption is that this industry is so regulated, the cannabis industry. The EPA is in charge of regulating fumigants and chemicals right? You know how many are regulated for cannabis? Zero. Nobody's studying this stuff. We don't even know what the environmental impact's going to be. We know that there's a considerable amount Of air pollution that's being caused, you hear it over and over again what the impacts of that are. We know that we've been in severe drought, we just got upped again to severe drought. We know that cannabis is an extremely high water user. We now know that Carpinteria Valley has 80% of the permits. We also know that Santa Barbara County is now producing over half of the cannabis.

Why does cannabis have to be produced in Carpinteria Valley? Why do we share the burden to do this for the entire state of California? There's a reason that dairies got moved away from Los Angeles, away from San Diego. They're a nuisance right? There's a place for all types of farming Dairies do not belong next to residential communities, next to the ocean where you're trying to preserve and protect creeks and wildlife. And a nice environment for people to live in. Likewise, cannabis is a nuisance. We know it's a nuisance. We smell the nuisance. And we don't know the environmental impacts of this nuisance because the EPA hasn't even studied it yet. Don't get ahead of yourselves. Take some time and study this correctly before you ruin it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:09:48 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Gabby Edwards to be followed by Anna Carrillo.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:09:56 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Chairman Williams and members of the board, I'm here as a Carpinteria resident. I'll be brief. It seems so clear to me that our town of Carpinteria has the least to gain and so much to lose under the current plan. I get that we already have cannabis in our town, in our valley, pardon me. But why would we then say unlimited everybody? The water's good. I urge you to take a really wait-and-see policy to protect not just the quality of life in our town and your towns too, but the very character of our town. Thanks.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed3:10:37 · ≈ 12:10 PM

Hello, thank you very much. I'm glad, thank you for all the work that everybody's done. I am here to speak on behalf of the Carpinteria Valley Association and environmental group based in Carpinteria for over 50 years. We support a lot of what the planning commission did at their January meeting. We support the 1,000 foot buffer but we need it from the municipal property line not only from schools.

And it was interesting to hear what Janet Wolfe, or Supervisor Wolfe talked about abutting the Ag 2 parcels. We either need to protect our Ag 1 parcels with the residents. We need at least a thousand foot buffer. Or what I've heard talked about is there's no outdoor cultivation in the coastal zone. That would be wonderful for carpenteria. I'm not sure how it would apply to the rest and I know we have some ag too but Most of it's AG-1 next to residential parcels. I would like to talk about strengthening the odor abatement plan. The odor abatement plan must prevent odors from being detectable at the property line where cannabis is being cultivated. The standard imposed is that odors should not be detected within residential zones, to the maximum extent feasible as determined by the planning director is too subjective.

Schools, daycare facilities, youth facilities need to be included also in addition to the residential zones as the way it's been worded. Require the cultivators to use olfactometers or other appropriate measurement devices on an ongoing basis. The nasal ranger is one. This would be a proactive action rather than a reactive one relying on someone to complain. If odors are detected, the operator must implement further odor controls until the standard is achieved. It wouldn't be required for the neighbor to be doing the complaining.

Support a cap on the number of licenses or acres in the Carpinteria Valley to prevent an over concentration. Support the city of Carpinteria's request to receive some part of the tax revenue generated, we're the ones who are experiencing the worst problem. A citywide online survey by the City of Carpinteria received a huge number of complaints about odor. Develop a public transparent interim process with fees for those in the coastal zone who will be applying for state permits and licenses, so permitting and enforcement may begin soon. Develop a policy for enforcing those not interested in applying for permits to install effective odor equipment during the next 18 month amortization period. Please protect our quality of life. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:13:21 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Jay Freeman to be followed by Garrett Allen. Hello,

PresenterJay FreemantProposedself-stated3:13:28 · ≈ 12:13 PM

my name is Jay Freeman and I must awkwardly begin by saying that I'm on the board of the Isla Vista Community Service District only to be very clear that I am not here representing them today so arguably forget that I even said that. I am here to advocate on behalf of some Isla Vista businesses Particularly, we're staring at the exclusion zone change from the minimum of 600 feet to 1,000 feet. Which doesn't seem like that big of a deal until you're living in a small community that is entirely within that difference. There's a daycare at UCSB directly on the border of Isla Vista and if you draw the various circles for 601,000 feet, you end up with essentially all the commercial area in Isla Vista being within that difference between 600 and 1000 feet.

I think part of this is that we see that we're getting a lot of mix up between the things, issues for dispensaries versus issues for growing and issues related to odor control. And I'm kind of starting to wonder if we need to separate out some of these things a little bit because I can appreciate some of the complaints people have about if you've got like a massive farm next door to you or as if you have You know, dispensary next door to you.

The difference also I will say is that when you have a small walkable community where many people don't own cars that was designed as very dense area versus an area where you might have very small streets but everyone needs cars to get around it's a very open area you might have different needs I think oftentimes we end up in this position where we're trying to come up with one law that fits all purposes, and sometimes I hear from the county arguments that well you have to do that. We have to have laws that are consistent everywhere. But then I'm here to remind that in Isle of Vista we have so many laws that are very specific to us. The Halloween Festival ordinance, the Fluffy Couch Ordinance, our large vehicle parking restrictions that only apply to our streets and a few other streets Alcohol restrictions only apply to our beaches and a couple other beaches.

Outdoor seating rules that only apply to our restaurants. I think we can come up with situations where if the people into Pescat Canyon really want to have a one mile exclusion zone, whereas the people in Isla Vista want a smaller zone, but that should be something that can be worked out. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:15:27 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Garrett Allen, do we follow by Thomas Martin?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed3:15:33 · ≈ 12:15 PM

Hi, my name is Garrett. I just wanted to thank the Board, Chairman Williams and all the staff on their long hours and God it's been what a year now that they've been putting on this work. Look it's no secret agriculture is the biggest industry in San Barbara County with that said it's a struggling industry. I know board members Steve and Joan heard at the Santa Maria Forum Growers Forum last Friday. I mean they heard firsthand from the farmers That they simply cannot compete with the low overhead costs their competing growers in Mexico have. Just as cut flowers left carpentry and flocks, I believe unfortunately we may see the same for the county's veggie and fruit growers in the future. We are at a turning point. We have a crop that can not only save farmers bottom line but even incentivize those growers, give those growers an option to incentivize their workers with bonuses just from the added value of this crop.

That is why I strongly believe cannabis cultivation should not be banned on any ag zone properties. Let's face it, if this plant didn't put off the odor it does we wouldn't have had half the controversy we have heard over the past year. But unfortunately it does and with ag anything that's something we have to deal with whether its horses cows anything I just want to remind everybody of the board concerned public that each license right now is only a temporary license that's 120 days plus a 90 day period and even then if they get a yearly annual license it's only for a one-year annual license and in order to reapply it goes through a rigorous amount of That's about it. Thanks.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 33Proposed3:17:06 · ≈ 12:17 PM

Good afternoon Chair and Board, thank you for your time today. I'm a cannabis cultivator in the Valley and also a fifth generation California farmer so I can refute some of the falsehoods that were stated today we do not use more water if farmed properly I grew up farming grapes with my grandfather and father. And they definitely attest to the fact that today, now that we farm cannabis, we still are doing ag and dealing with just a plant.

All of that being said, I want to say ditto to much of what or cautiously say ditto too much of what Mr. Caldwell had to say. Don't throw out too many landmines in the way. And we definitely do not support discluding cannabis from the Williamson Act. Thank you very much.

CommentI'm Dave DerflingerProposedself-stated3:18:05 · ≈ 12:18 PM

Good afternoon Chairman Williams, Supervisors. I'm Dave Derflinger, City Manager for the City of Carpinteria. My comments today are representing the city and will be followed by our legal counsel Representative Dylan Johnson. Due to its direct adjacency to prime agricultural lands and size relative to the surrounding ag area, Carpinteria is particularly vulnerable to the impacts of agriculture both good and bad.

And also how the county elects to regulate that agricultural industry has heightened importance of course for the city of Carpinteria. For the same reasons, the counties recognize this and accounted for these special impacts in the past by for example Adopting restrictions on greenhouse development in the Carpinteria Valley. While the city does not oppose allowing cannabis uses, it has a duty to safeguard the health and safety of the Carpinteria community and protect our precious natural resources. The city's been involved in the county's process regarding cannabis land use ordinance from the beginning submitting no less than six detailed comment letters that I hope you have had a chance to review. Yet by enlarge we feel that these comments have been ignored or dismissed with little consideration.

The city and the county have long worked as partners on a wide range of projects. In an effort to continue this collaborative relationship, the city has gone beyond those letters we've submitted and provided a road map and more detailed correspondence for February 2nd that I hope you had a chance to review. That articulates modifications to the proposed regulations that when coupled with an agreement that we've proposed, would mitigate anticipated impacts in the Carpinteria Valley while also allowing the cannabis industry to thrive. So with regard to that February 2nd letter I'll bring to your attention three areas that we're talking about. The first has do with volatile manufacturing, the second odor control requirements and third the cap.

With regard to volatile manufacturing, the city is proposing that it be prohibited in the AG-1 zone. The location, building type and infrastructure of areas within urbanized places like the city are more appropriate for volatile manufacturing. And we don't believe that it should be permitted in agricultural zones near city. So our standard that we have recommended in that February 2nd letter articulates that.

Second, the City requests that the odor control requirements be amended to require the use of best available technology to control odors. to the maximum extent achievable. We also propose that all operations be required to implement vapor phase systems. The City Council has received testimony from growers in the Valley that these systems are feasible for them to implement and highly effective. The growers support this amendment.

Third, the city requests that a cap be placed on the amount of acreage that can be devoted to cannabis cultivation within the Carpinteria Valley. The city proposes that the amount of cannabis canopy be limited to 146 acres which number is based on the county's projection that Carpinteria will be home to about 20% of expected overall cannabis cultivation countywide. 146 acres is 20% of the county's assumed... Dave, you can

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:21:14 · ≈ 12:21 PM

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CommentI'm Dave DerflingerProposedself-stated3:21:14 · ≈ 12:21 PM

up. Thank you. So we recommend that cap. We also support a ban on open field and hoop structure growing in the coastal zone that was talked about earlier. And finally, the city requests that the board consider entering into an agreement with the city to provide funding for affordable housing, to limit impacts on housing supply... Chair? ...and tourist services. Point of order. Okay, we're

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:21:36 · ≈ 12:21 PM

going to take it out. I think he just used his other attorney's time up there. Dylan, you're going to have to be real brief.

CommentPeter ImhoffProposed · by introduction3:21:43 · ≈ 12:21 PM

Morning Supervisors I can be brief. I just wanted to let your board know that you may be aware we submitted an additional comment letter this morning for your boards consideration. I was going to summarize that verbally for you so you had some idea of the information provided but I will refrain from doing that except to say it addresses issues with the findings for approval The statement of overriding considerations, the recommendation from staff to exempt the coastal zoning ordinance amendments from CEQA. We are not aware of this procedure being followed in the past where a portion of an ordinance that affects more than the coastal zone is found exempt from CEQAs and deferring the environmental review to the Coastal Commission.

So we're concerned that this is a tactic to avoid doing the adequate analysis that we have provided previously, we believe is necessary. And then finally, we've added some additional information that other commenters have spoken to about the number of licenses that have been issued in the county and indicating that carpentry will be a hotbed of cannabis industry growth and that deserves special consideration analysis and mitigation. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:22:48 · ≈ 12:22 PM

I'm sorry Mr. Chair sir can I just didn't get your name I'm sorry could

CommentPeter ImhoffProposed · by introduction3:22:51 · ≈ 12:22 PM

you Dylan Dylan Johnson

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:22:53 · ≈ 12:22 PM

and you're

CommentPeter ImhoffProposed · by introduction3:22:53 · ≈ 12:22 PM

with legal counsel for the city of thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:56 · ≈ 12:22 PM

Thomas Parker so next speaker to be followed by Charles Houghton

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CommentTom Parker I'mProposedself-stated3:23:08 · ≈ 12:23 PM

Thank you. Chairman Williams, Supervisors, my name is Tom Parker I'm a resident of the City of Santa Barbara as well as Santa Barbara County. I want to speak to on a little bit different perspective than perhaps what you've heard today. I'm the retired assistant special agent in charge of the FBI in Los Angeles. Spent 30 years in law enforcement and while in Los Angeles I happen to run the largest drug enforcement program in the FBI in the country I've had a lot of experience with some of the issues that you're talking about here today.

Since my retirement, I've been working as a criminal justice consultant all over the country on various criminal justice and police procedural issues. And just recently over the last six months have been working and discussing similar issues with what you're dealing with here today with Humboldt County up north. You've heard that mentioned several times it's viewed as the marijuana capital of the state if not the country.

I've also had discussions up there with some of the largest growers of marijuana in the state as well as in the country. And one thing I've heard from all of these folks that I've talked to is that they are very, very concerned about the security issues and the black market issues that they're already starting to experience and in some cases have been experiencing for decades.

There are really pros and cons on both sides of this issue. In fact, there's a whole litany of issues that I'm sure you've dealt with many of them if not all of them. I just became aware of this hearing a couple of hours ago so I haven't had a chance to really prepare but the security issues the public safety have to be at the forefront of your decisions And it's absolutely necessary that you consider all of these issues, all of the peripheral issues aside from the environment, the ag issues and whatever.

Otherwise you are going to be faced with organized crime, the drug cartels that are starting to appear in Humboldt County and I would urge you take the time to study these issues, to study all the issues don't rush into a decision as the old saying goes haste makes waste and waste can be very very costly So I'm not against any of these laws or ordinances, but I just wanted to throw these other issues out for your consideration. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:25:32 · ≈ 12:25 PM

Charles Houghton. To be followed by Bruce Watkins. I

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:25:37 · ≈ 12:25 PM

want to remind folks that we do not have provision for clapping and other things because then it becomes an arms race between sides for who can cheer the

CommentCharles HoughtonProposedself-stated3:25:48 · ≈ 12:25 PM

most. Please proceed. My name is Charles Houghton. I'm an attorney, I've been practicing law for 33 years now. The last 10 of it has been pretty much isolated to cannabis regulations originally from Colorado and so I have lived this up close and personal for the last 8 years since we put regulations in place First of all, your staff has done a beautiful job. I've seen counties all over the nation from Pennsylvania to Washington, California. They've done a beautiful job.

The couple of things that I do want to call to your attention is I live in the land of unintended consequences. I understand some of the concerns at least I think I do about limitations under the Williams Act. I wanna make sure that you understand If you make limitations based on Williamson Act land, the unintended consequence may be that the concentrations of these businesses may be in undesirable areas. And so please take that into consideration while you're making your determination.

The other thing that I think that you need to hear is, is that the buffer requirements that you suggest 1,000 feet from schools and other sensitive uses has some precedence in federal law. In that under the United States Federal Drug Free School Zone Act, the buffer's a thousand feet. And so it has some support in that area making the buffers bigger doesn't necessarily solve any of your problems.

All it does is make it more difficult for people that are trying to get into the industry to comply. And finally, I would say that any time that you put a regulation in place there should be a purpose not just hearsay, not just something that someone told you. Get the facts. I'm with everybody here Let's get the facts and make sure that the decisions that you make are based on hard facts, and not on some witch that we're trying to hunt here. Because generally speaking this usually is a witch hunt with no witch to hunt. Thank you very much for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:28:06 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Bruce Watkins to be followed by Tina Funuki Frontado

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 34Proposed3:28:15 · ≈ 12:28 PM

Chairman Williams, Supervisors. Of the 27 public hearings over the past year only one month ago was language regarding EDRNs presented for public comment despite multiple public responses since had no time as staff appropriately address this when I say appropriately please consider the Planning Commission action letter attachment 13 where bullet item Y cites government code section 65855 this code requires the county planning commission's recommendation to to include the reason for the recommendation and the relationship of the proposed ordinances to applicable general and specific plans.

The commission has not satisfied this code, neither by citing the reasons for the EDRN language nor more importantly by citing its relationship to any applicable general or specific plans of the county. This can be fixed, however, by inserting just six words. Wherever the word cultivation appears in language referencing EDRNs, just insert on parcels smaller than 40 acres. For example, cultivation on parcels smaller than 40 acres within an EDRN or cultivation on parcels smaller than 40 acres that require the use of a roadway...

Remember, sub-40 acre parcels are the threshold for defining an EDRN. This modification makes the use of EDRNs consistent with both their definition and their use in existing county plans. LUPs on larger parcels still face requirements like traffic studies, public comment, appeals. But large parcels are clearly optimum for this kind of cultivation. EDRNs were never intended nor used historically in the manner being proposed now. It hasn't been examined. Six words fix everything on parcels smaller than 40 acres. Setbacks and LUPs can cover the rest. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:30:16 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Tina Funuki-Frontado to be followed by Furnas Hadian.

CommentTina Funuki-Frontado I'veProposedself-stated3:30:22 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Hi, my name is Tina Funuki-Frontado I've been a resident of Carpinteria all of my life. I live off of 192 between Cravens and Nidever. I'm about 50 yards from growers I can tell you in all honesty that I really don't smell anything. Sorry, it's just the truth. The other truth is that as a lifetime resident of this area when there were flower growers, flower growing there was a lot of traffic, a lot of those big refrigerator trucks.

I can tell you that the traffic has decreased immensely. I know about a year ago, high tech odor devices were implemented that has really mitigated much of the problem. Carpentry is the most beautiful community in the entire world. I have a lot vested in there. We own property, own businesses. I would do nothing or ever support any industry that would ever harm our community in anyway.

So I'm here to champion the cause and thank you very much for your due diligence.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:31:30 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Fernandez Hadian to be followed by Sienna Marie Sesma.

CommentFari NazProposedself-stated3:31:36 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Good afternoon, supervisors. My name is Fari Naz and I am a long time Carpinteria resident. Today, I'm speaking in support of the responsible growing of cannabis in our community. I oppose the 1,000 feet restriction and support the 600 feet zone for indoor slash greenhouse grow insensitive areas. I believe that growers in our community should have the opportunity to grow legal crop as long as it is done in a responsible way.

A responsible growing operation is one with odor control, light pollution control and proper security. In addition an operation that supports our local workforce and works with the community to address any problems that may or may not arise in the cannabis production areas. It is only a matter of time before the many of the remaining local floral companies get outcompeted by inexpensive floral coming from South America. And now, is the time that we must allow our community to reinvent itself and stay thriving in a rapidly changing industry.

As long as there are legal requirements in place to make sure communities benefit from the growing operations, it is unfair to not allow our local growers the opportunity to benefit from the many positives of legal and responsible cannabis growing. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:33:00 · ≈ 12:33 PM

Sienna Marie Sesma to be followed by Laurel Fisher Perez.

CommentSienna Marie SesmaProposedself-stated3:33:12 · ≈ 12:33 PM

Good morning Chair Williams and Supervisors. I'm Sienna Marie Sesma, a local business owner for over 35 years and a supporter of agriculture my entire life. Ag land is ag land, and cannabis is a viable agricultural product that leads to a long list of benefits for our community. Medicinal purposes and financial rewards for all involved. The cannabis industry is one of the fastest growing industries in the U.S., and will have a positive impact on job creation and new tax revenues for our county.

The intent of Ag One Zone is to provide standards that will support agriculture as a viable land use and encourage maximum agricultural productivity. The intent of Ag Two is to preserve these lands for long-term agricultural use. Where are the facts that show how the cannabis plant is different from any other agricultural plant? The county, without proven facts, excludes cannabis as an any and all plant. But it is a plant that is produced in the county for commercial purposes. Therefore, it is an agricultural commodity.

The original goal was to support this flourishing industry and bring it into the light. Here you have a room full of strong families making major changes in their businesses, committed farmers continuing efforts to cultivate their products Focused entrepreneurs creating jobs and revenue for their towns, and healers making a difference in people's lives. The current changes requiring so many CUPs in the county could overburden staff before the tax revenues have been realized and could delay those tax revenues. These committed businesspeople have operations to run, they have families to provide for, and they have team members to pay. Please consider the revision suggested today and through public comment to the land use ordinances as a way to allow businesses to move forward without barriers and additional challenges in the form of CUPs.

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 35Proposed3:35:27 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Good afternoon, Supervisors. Laurel Perez with Suzanne Elledge Planning and Permitting Services. I want to thank staff in the EIR preparer because I think that the development standards that are before you today are entirely appropriate and will help avoid a lot of the problems that we've heard that are happening in our communities today without these standards. In fact, the standards are very similar to the end result of a very lengthy and exhaustive conditional use permit process which results in conditions of approval.

And I'd like to speak to the requirement for major CUPs in the EDRN, which did just come up at the last hearing of the commission. As well as the potential application for CUPs on ag zone properties abutting residential I ask that you consider parcel size, as we heard from an earlier speaker. And or buffers as a threshold for a major CUP requirement. CUPs are the most lengthy expensive exhaustive permits our office processes and I'd like to just quote from your land use element.

The purpose of the existing developed rural neighborhood boundary is to keep pockets of rural residential development. From expanding on to adjacent agricultural lands. So we have to keep in mind that we want folks in the business to file for and obtain these permits and comply with these standards. With strong oversight and compliance, I think it's our best chance for creating compatibility. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:36:55 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Jared Ficker to be followed by Peter Candy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 36Proposed3:37:01 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Hi Chair Williams, members of the Board of Supervisors and County staff. First I just wanted to say a sincere thank you on the extraordinary efforts that have been put into both the EIR and actually development of the ordinance. I think it's an exceptional job we work on these types of issues in other jurisdictions and this effort in a very difficult time in our community is And it's really well-intended and sought to address many of the concerns that are being brought up. We've lacked these standards, and I really applaud the efforts that everyone has kind of doubled down to put this together to address concerns in our community.

I just want to make a few points. One, I think the EIR and the ordinance puts an appropriate recognition on preexisting activities and infrastructure versus new development. I think that's an important distinction and we're not trying to encourage a lot of new development as related to this industry. Second of all, related to odor control some comments made by both CVA and the City of Carpinteria related to best available control technology and rigorous monitoring those are amendments and suggestions that I think we would embrace I think odor control is the area of emphasis that we should be focusing on.

I think we've heard a lot of comments and concerns related to setbacks, but I think what we're really mostly interested in is efficacy of odor control. Third is, and I don't think anyone's really commented on this. There was a pretty robust provision related to the energy conservation plan. We support having an energy conservation plan. I would just suggest an amendment related to when that baseline is established. Many of the facilities were barely operational with previous cut flower business and we would suggest making that baseline match to the first year of operations.

Additionally, I'd like you to consider some CapEx investment related to energy conservation as a potential credit against future gross receipts tax. We'd like to be in a position in this community to not only be a leader in cannabis production but some of the most sustainable growing cannabis in the state. And then finally, I just remind everyone and I think a previous speaker commented on Cannabis permitting in the state of California is subject to an annual license. There is no permanent entitlement, so if you have a bad actor or somebody that is not fulfilling many of the rigorous aspects and things that you put forth in your ordinance they will not get re-licensed. That's a unique and distinguishing feature compared to other agriculture.

So thank you for your time and thank you for the good work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:39:41 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Peter Candy be followed by Autumn Shelton

PresenterPeter CandyBusiness CouncilProposedself-stated3:39:46 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Good afternoon, supervisors. I appreciate the opportunity to talk. My name's Peter Candy. I'm representing the Business Council. I'd like to address four points really briefly if I could. The first is the proposed amendments to uniform rules. If the county adopts rules which exclude cannabis as agriculture or an agricultural product and preclude cannabis cultivation from counting towards minimum commercial ag production requirements for eligibility, it's going to force landowners wishing to cultivate Out of the Williamson Act program, I don't think that's something the county wants to do. Same applies if the county imposes severe acreage restrictions on the ability to cultivate. That's going to force operations to disperse, diversify and spread out into other areas of the county.

This has the potential to displace existing non-cannabis agricultural operations. We ask that you hold off on taking action on the uniform rules and Direct staff to work with us and the APAC on some new rules that would work better for the county. Second point I'd like to address is setbacks. Very briefly, SB 94 and AB 133 give local governments complete authority and discretion to adopt whatever setbacks work best for their jurisdiction. One size fits all approach is not appropriate for every locality nor is it appropriate for every license type. We believe measuring distance from the cannabis premise to the property line of the sensitive receptors a better approach.

It's less arbitrary, it's more narrowly tailored to accomplishing the desired mitigation. And it's more protective of the property rights of those impacted by the setback. We ask that you consider this measurement approach as opposed to the default in a business and professions code. Third point is minor CEP for distribution licenses in the AG-1 zone. We feel this is unnecessary, these distribution licenses involve small footprint low impact operations, especially true for type 13. There's nothing indicating these licenses present unique neighborhood compatibility issues that would preclude them from being classified as an allowed use. We ask that your board replace the minor CP requirement with an LUP or zoning clearance. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:42:16 · ≈ 12:42 PM

Adam Shelton is our next speaker, to be followed by Barbara Clues.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 37Proposed3:42:25 · ≈ 12:42 PM

First we are grateful to the staff ad hoc committee and supervisors for all your hard work and research over the last two years. We're a medical cannabis cultivator that values good farming practices and being a good neighbor. We found and installed the buyer scientific in manufacturing odor system, which has shown to be successful in abating the odor to near zero results.

At least 13 other growers now have this system in place and more on order, and a number of other growers also have a system already. We've already seen a huge reduction in odor in carpenteria, and once permits are given I'm sure the odor will be mitigated. We support mandatory odor control in greenhouses in Carpinteria and the county's odor abatement standard, which require technology be certified by either a professional engineer or licensed industrial hygienist.

We are very concerned about the ability to secure local and state permits in a timely manner, as well as distribution being considered a new use. We do not support staff's recommendation to acquire MCUP or CUP for AG1. A distribution license for both type 11 and type 13 should just be a permit. The flower growers have been packing, storing, and shipping, or transporting their own flower bunches and bouquets for 30 years on AG1 parcels. Distributing, storing, and transporting cannabis isn't any different. Previously, we would self-distribute to dispensaries. When our product is ready for sale it is kept in a secure warehouse space until sold. If the county permits distribution then all we need to do is move our finished product from one secure warehouse space to another one in the same building while lab technician is testing our samples off site and then returns it so we can transport it to a manufacturer retailer.

The warehouse space for distributors no different than the warehouse space as a cultivator keeps their finished product in nor is it any different than when we were flower growers. We do not support applying the development standard energy conservation plan to Tier 1 greenhouse. Odor control security systems, this all increases our energy usage plus a number of us that because of the ordinance we didn't expand into the space so if there's any expansion that's going to be possible, we can't do that if it's based on the last five years.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:44:33 · ≈ 12:44 PM

Barbara Clues to be followed by Sophia Van Wingerden.

CommentBarbara CloseProposedself-stated3:44:39 · ≈ 12:44 PM

Thank you, I'm Barbara Close from the Eastern Goleta Valley. And this week I've been reflecting back on the last year that we've been trying to shape how the marijuana industry is going to look in our county. Many things come to mind and one that clearly stands out to me is the many good people who have carved out time to show up at the planning commission, to be here at your board meetings as well as having submitted some really outstanding well written letters.

I've met many quality people who deeply care about our neighborhoods and our community character. One interesting thing is that I cannot recall one person outside of the marijuana industry that has come before you and said that they support having a robust industry, except for the woman who spoke a few minutes ago with a large footprint that they want dropped down into our shopping centers and agricultural fields.

Nor have I heard anyone who has been excited to become next door neighbors with cannabis cultivators. That is stunning to me that in a whole year, that we have had no community support other than people who are already in the cannabis industry. Clearly there are two very opposing perspectives here but one seems to be primarily supported by the county. As I've read letters and listened to the cannabis representative speak their air of entitlement to me has been clearly evident Even today, they are asking that you would direct the staff to work with them to revise the county's agricultural preserve program.

I would also like to ask you to direct this stuff to work with us in the community. The industry seems to be giving lip service that they care about the community and want to be good neighbors. Yet they've been pushing back at every protective ordinance that we the people of this county want in place to ensure that we don't end up with an enormous cannabis presence. That will permanently stain our beautiful communities and forever change what Santa Barbara is known for being the West Coast Riviera.

Many of us representing our communities are quite disappointed that the policies benefiting the wide majority have been minimized, and many reasonable suggestions seem to be disregarded. I'm over my time, right? Okay. All right. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:46:57 · ≈ 12:46 PM

Sophia Van Wingerden to be followed by Will Steffen.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:47:06 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Thank You Barbara for trying to follow the rules

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 38Proposed3:47:09 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Good afternoon, supervisors and staff. Thank you for your time. I support the work you've been doing this past year and can appreciate the difficulties that must be navigated with the appearance of an industry that is attempting to come into the open. I'm a third generation cultivator of greenhouse plants. We have always maintained best practices in our growing and we continue to do so.

We are already well on our way to full compliance with the best odor abatement system in place, pesticide free facility, and an automated blackout system. Odor control works, we have evidence of it from comments of employees and passersby. The current proposed energy standard would not allow us to operate our odor control. We do not support requiring CUP for distribution, we urgently need to secure distributions so we can legally transport product and make sales.

We very much support the ordinance that will require all businesses to play by the rules and conduct best industry practices. I hope that all variances of this industry are allowed the opportunity to conduct business, because I believe this plant and the products derived from this plant have just as much right to exist in our community as wine, beer, aspirin, lavender and other essential oils. All products deemed socially acceptable and readily available within 300 feet of our local schools.

I will not review the list of items that are unhealthy and highly socially acceptable for young people, and advertise specifically to attract their attention. What I will focus on is why greenhouse cultivation and processing should be allowed to continue on all Ag One parcels. We have not increased the footprint of our greenhouse. We use existing infrastructure. With the revenue this plant generates, we can replace an aging roof on our greenhouse. We can afford odor control. We can offer higher wages, bonuses, English classes, training courses ranging from workplace safety to financial planning. We employ a large number of carpooling women in an industry that has historically been principally men. We have a female supervisor and a female-in-training to one day take over the family business.

Every Thursday, myself, our supervisor and our HR lady and 11 other female employees sit down to discuss the challenges of the week. How can communication throughout the company be improved? What does it mean to be a leader? How can we make- I think you're done. Sorry.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:31 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Will Stephan, followed by Abe Schrier.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:49:46 · ≈ 12:49 PM

How about the next person, Mike?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:49:51 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Will's not in the room. Abe Shrier, is Abe here? Kristen Van Wingerden? Ivan Van Wingerden? William Hoppe?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:50:10 · ≈ 12:50 PM

I think that would be Yvonne.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 39Proposed3:50:16 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Good afternoon, Chair Williams, supervisors and staff. I'd like to take a moment and say thank you. Thank you for your tremendous effort, time and resources that have been devoted into the development of this ordinance. I've been following closely and am very grateful and equally impressed with the consideration that you put forth throughout this process. As a member of the cannabis industry, I'm looking forward to knowing exactly what our obligations are for compliance in order to continue to be good neighbors and excellent operators.

Growing cannabis has allowed us to keep and maintain our property and foothold in the cut flower industry. It has also allowed us to increase employee pay, benefit packages, training programs as well as charitable giving to the local community. As many of you have observed and heard from previous meetings, our farm is compliant with state law and best industry practices to produce high quality and safe product.

We are able to do this with a much needed revenue stream from cannabis. We do not contribute to any light pollution because we use blackout curtains. We have invested and installed in a very expensive, but extremely effective vapor phase odor machine that has eliminated the shifting and famous odor. I also welcome and support mandatory odor control for greenhouses as well as the county's odor abatement standard.

We do not contribute to any increase in vehicle traffic and only use small sprinter vans, not semi trucks. We capture and reuse all of our water through a closed-loop system. And we do not use any pesticides and follow protocols to extremely demanding testing standards throughout the state requirements. I urge the county's draft ordinance complements these best practices and requires all cannabis businesses to demonstrate annual compliance with these standards. This will mitigate all impacts from cannabis. Additionally, I hope there are plans in place to support compliant businesses in swift punitive measures for ones who are not. And largely support the draft ordinance which is two final suggestions. Our firm does not support staff recommendation to require minor CUPs for distribution.

We have been conducting distribution at our firm for years with existing agriculture structures in flower industry and the medical collective model. Therefore, this would not be a new impact. Lastly we do not support applying for energy conservation plan standard because as it is written-

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:52:35 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Can you wrap that up?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 39Proposed3:52:36 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Would preclude growers from utilizing odor control which requires increased demand. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:52:41 · ≈ 12:52 PM

We're going to hear from Yvonne Van Wingerden and then Willia Hape.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposedself-stated3:52:55 · ≈ 12:52 PM

Good afternoon, my name is Yvonne Van Wingerden. I am a carpenterian. I'm a cut flower grower, organic avocado grower and a cannabis cultivator. I'd like to thank the supervisors, Chairman Williams and the staff And thank you also for the extraordinary work on this cannabis ordinance, it's been quite a process. We are grateful for the well-researched EIR. We are grateful for the diligent staff and the opportunity that we have had in the past to show our compliant operation to many departments of the county staff as well as environmental consultants and community members of varying opinions and stances on cannabis cultivation.

As a grower in Carpinteria, we support a robust ordinance as this will create uniformity of regulations and an industry that has both good and bad players in it. We are looking forward to the final draft and remaining in compliance with both state and local laws. While odor is a primary concern related to sensitive receptors not all elements of cannabis operations produce the infamous skunky odor.

Within our greenhouse we have a propagation area for cannabis plants that utilizes every square foot With an efficient rolling bench system. Unlike flowering plants in this vegetative state as nursery stock, cannabis plants do not emit any unpopular odor or skunky smells as an undeveloped plant. Just like roses, cannabis plants only emit odors when flowering. We are requesting a reduced setback to sensitive receptors for propagation and nursery operations such as this.

Specifically for these young, non-flowering, non-smelly plants. They will have no odor emitting effect and that could potentially impact a sensitive receptor such as a school. We've made substantial investment in state of the art vapor phase odor control technology and shared with the community and recently with the city of Carpinteria. That our technology should be required, something like this technology should be required for all cannabis operations in the Carpinteria Valley. It is effective and most importantly it is safe to use and does not have any harmful byproducts. I'm looking forward to this ordinance passing and odor control being required in Carpinteria. While the language in the proposed ordinance requires effective odor control technology we also support suggestions by the city of Carpinteria and other organizations that they include robust monitoring systems.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:55:07 · ≈ 12:55 PM

Can you wrap

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposedself-stated3:55:07 · ≈ 12:55 PM

up? Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:55:11 · ≈ 12:55 PM

Our next speaker is Willia Hape to be followed by Cagney Miller.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 40Proposed3:55:17 · ≈ 12:55 PM

Hello again. Willia Pay Farmer, 30 years in the Carpinteria Valley. The Right to Farm Act, Article 5, let's not lose sight of that please. I urge you to keep reading it. The Board of Supervisors finds that it is in the public's best interest to protect agriculture land and the operations within the county of Santa Barbara. Farming in Carpinteria was there before subdivisions. I want to comment a little bit on the comments that came from the city of Carpinteria, because I've been here many, many times at this spot over the last 30 years.

Farming and crops and land use are fluid. We had walnuts in Carpinteria Valley, lemons, container plants, avocado trees, gut flowers, and now we have cannabis. 25 years ago, the county, the city complained to the county about my agriculture workers contributing to the overflow at the sanitary district. It was an attack on agriculture workers. 20 years ago, the city complained to the county about truck traffic.

15 years ago the city complained to the county about accusing us of being white blight and comparing us to the smokestacks of Detroit. For 30 years or more, the city has complained about the farmers in the Carpinteria Valley. But the city comes running to us, to us flower growers when they need money. The growers and many of them here present, and I'm really honored to be a part of them, we are major donors in the Carpinteria Valley. We still are. The new building at Girls Inc, we are the largest donors. The new farm for FFA, the annual budget for Girls Inc, the Boys and Girls Club, the building of the swimming pool, the school district greenhouse, the new high school stadium on and on and on. And that was all possible because the cut flower growers they were hefty profits for us and we always shared with the city of Carpentria and with the people in the Carpentry Valley.

on the Kate school complaints.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 41Proposed3:57:40 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Good afternoon supervisors and residents of the county. I wasn't raised here, but I've been visiting practically since I was born. Many of you have lived here longer than I've been alive, but I too have seen the area develop and change throughout my 35 years. I consider myself fortunate that my husband and I decided to put down roots in Carpinteria three years ago, but even more fortunate that we've also been able to live in other areas of California, other states, and even other countries.

We are parents of a two year old son and want nothing more than to raise him in a safe thriving community. So it may surprise you to hear me say that I would like to encourage the county to proceed with establishing realistic regulations that protect both the community and the farmers, and move forward with permitting those that are here wanting to cultivate and distribute cannabis the right way.

Only then will the county receive the funds necessary to enforce its cannabis laws and reduce what is being done on the black market. I want the area to strive from its tax revenue rather than continue failing to have the resources to stop those that are growing and selling under the table, tax free. Yes with cannabis there comes an odor but that has not changed my love for the community and I can assure you there are far worse smells. I spent my first 17 years living next to a dairy in the Central Valley where the smell of cow manure was all I knew. I'm still proud to be a farmer's daughter. I lived in New Orleans where the streets reeked of urine and booze but I still think that city is beautiful.

During my two years in Korea, it was cigarettes and kimchi. But I will cherish that country and its people to the day I die. Those smells pale in comparison to what my husband encountered during his four tours to Iraq and Afghanistan. But those places shaped him into the bravest most unselfish person I know. Cannabis existed long before Prop 64, and legal or not I can assure you it will continue to be both grown and consumed here long after all of us pass on. I'd much rather the county be proactive now and put the proper regulations and taxes in place rather than have to be reactive later after the black market flocks here because it isn't being regulated due to lack of funding. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:59:42 · ≈ 12:59 PM

Allen Wheel, to be followed by Sandra Wheel.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 42Proposed3:59:48 · ≈ 12:59 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair and members of the board. I've been here a while. I live in Carpinteria. I would like to take the opportunity to speak for the individual local residents who are the least heard. We have no attorneys, no lobby groups, no PR firms, no big money. Prior We are now inundated with those same odors. Odors must be eliminated at the property line of the growers.

No reduced odor, no masking odors. 600 to 1,000 feet boundaries will not work. A few sensitive areas for children, adults and elder do not help because those people go home. They spend very little time in parks schools etc. We need independent monitors in real-time with objective equipment to track the odor. Growers please be good neighbors. The odor may smell like money to you but not to us We appreciate the effort of a few cannabis operators trying to address the odor issue.

We need 100% compliance from all growers. We plead to each of the supervisors to be the voice for the individual residents, please. Be our voice of reason, our quality of life on the Central Coast is in your hands. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:01:34 · ≈ 1:01 PM

Sandra Weld will be followed by Maureen Claffey.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 43Proposed4:01:44 · ≈ 1:01 PM

Good afternoon Chairman Williams and supervisors, county staff. I live in the Carpinteria Valley and I would like to say that I have a very good sense of smell. And, I have been deeply offended for over a year with this smell. It is 24-7. And, I do commend the growers who have been responsible who have eliminated odors and we are asking for 100% compliance from any growers that might be in our area.

I'd like to state and these are what I call takeaways. We've heard so many facts today, and quite frankly this past year at all these meetings. But I would like to emphasize the fact that we are all sensitive receptors. Please keep that in mind when you're thinking of 600 feet, 1,000 feet or whatever. We all, and especially in the Carpinteria Valley, we are living with this day and night. So please keep that in your consideration.

I know that when we get tax dollars in, we're going to have enforcement. We sincerely need that for the odor abatement and also for the potential crime that could be facing us. Quality of life is so important to everybody in Santa Barbara County. And we are asking you to please, because the state has been so slow in what they have done, please step back, limit the permits. Let's have some slow growth because we already have so many here and let's look at how this is going to play out and not rush into it. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:03:25 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Maureen Claffey to be followed by Hans Van Coppen. To be followed by Sally Eagle.

CommentHans Van KopenProposedself-stated4:03:42 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Good afternoon, Board of Directors. My name is Hans Van Kopen. I'm here today to voice my support for the farming of medicinal cannabis in Carpentria. I've lived in Carpentria for more than 45 years and began my farming career right out of Carpentry High School. I farmed in Carpentry, Oxnard and Summerland for 42 years working as a farmer In a business for that amount of years, you do get to know what farming is all about. It's a lot of hard work and long hours to stay successful. As a farmer your business is always changing and if you don't you soon won't be a farmer. You just can grow one crop forever and survive.

Growing just flowers in greenhouses is not profitable anymore and making a living is getting more and more difficult with ever increasing cost for materials and labor. So what's happening now in Carpinteria with growing medicinal cannabis is how the local farmer survives change Time has come for a change to a crop that works, to keep you in business and in the game of farming. Whether it's flowers, greens, herbs, orchids, lettuce or as of now some cannabis. You have always...you have to always be innovative to stay alive in farming.

This is not some big corporation coming to town I think it's a plus for our community these are local good people staying in business staying in the business of farming The greenhouse industry in Carpentria employs a lot of people And takes good care of their employees as they've shown time again and over the years. And not just as farmers, but they've done a lot of good for Carpentria as well.

I hope you agree with me and allow the local farmers in Carpentria to survive. I believe they have the knowledge and know how to grow professionally and solve problems that need to be worked out and we'll work with you. I do not own any greenhouse or have no investments in cannabis. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:05:40 · ≈ 1:05 PM

Good afternoon Supervisors and staff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 44Proposed4:05:59 · ≈ 1:05 PM

I feel like I'm back in college facing final exams. I've been to meetings and more meetings, watched TV or attended those meetings. I've sat around kitchen tables discussing the EIR and PEIR trying to understand the issues from different perspectives. And I've read hundreds of pages of documents and I tried to master a whole new government teased vocabulary and mastered the ability to decipher acronyms I think I've done my homework as required and then some. I think I might get a C- on the exam, however it's hardly acceptable.

As a citizen of Carpenter Valley, I think we in the valley are shouldering the burden of the cannabis invasion of Santa Barbara County. We're told there will be incompatible operations, unavoidable impacts but they come with the territory. Therein lies my problem. Please consider no outdoor grows within our coastal zone. Cannabis as an agricultural product does not receive protection under the right to farm ordinance.

Our valley has lived with cannabis cultivation operations for probably longer than we all are aware of. We know that the legal medical cannabis business, and we know the benefits it offers. I have no objection. The problem as I see it comes with the operation of growers who don't respect either the land or their neighbors. We want to enjoy and preserve our quality of life in our beautiful valley.

There are rules and costs of doing business, comply and respect your neighbors. Notices need to be placed in the local newspaper, not only in the news press about requests for land use permits. But in our local paper, The Coastal View and coastal zone permits need to be published there. This is necessary for schools and for those who live more than 1,000 feet from proposed development.

Comply and respect us your neighbors please I'd also like to appeal my grade thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:08:08 · ≈ 1:08 PM

Winfred Van Wingerden to be followed by Amir Eskandari.

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CommentWinfred Van WingerdenProposedself-stated4:08:16 · ≈ 1:08 PM

Good afternoon, members of the board and staff. My name is Winfred Van Wingerden and I first want to say and give you a huge thank you for the great amount of work you've all put in to where we are today. This has been a lesson in patience and understanding of a new crop and industry that Californians voted in with overwhelming margins. I can look around this room right now and know that more than 60% of you voted this in And that's a good thing because that is where we're going. We're a progressive county, we love our county, we love our community.

Remember about 100 years ago we were dealing with prohibition and now we're dealing with cannabis. Let's do the right thing here. As a flower farmer in Carpinteria and having been in the valley for over 50 years, I'm responsible for making sure we have a viable company. With our partial conversion of our farm to cannabis, we're still growing flowers. We've been able to do a better job in so many things.

We're responsible when it comes to our practices. We're chemical free with our new crop. Chemical free! Not too many farmers can say that. We have complete water containment systems in place. Use the same amount of water and recycle every drop that goes through. I want to stress that, I hear it so often people are saying we're using more water. These people aren't farmers.

I'm a farmer. I know the amount of water I use and I recycle every drop. Odor control, the most contentious and controversial aspect of this crop We need to have odor control 100% and 100% compliance. I will turn anybody in that's not compliant, we need to have compliance there. K-school will not be complaining if we have a hundred percent compliance. What we smell right now is people that are not complying you know our farms are odor free Okay, once in a while a little whiff will come through and I'm wondering if it's a dead skunk on Foothill Road or if it's my cannabis. That's how little it is. Security we have it in place. Over

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:10:31 · ≈ 1:10 PM

your

CommentWinfred Van WingerdenProposedself-stated4:10:32 · ≈ 1:10 PM

time. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:10:34 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Amir Eskandari followed by Jesse Zaragoza

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 45Proposed4:10:43 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Good afternoon, supervisors. Over the past few weeks and months I've come to several of the cannabis related city and county meetings, and I've never spoken at one of these hearings. But as a local cannabis farmer today I felt that it was important that I do. There's one issue in particular that I'd like to focus on today, and this is the issue of odor control. The principal source of complaint from those opposed to the industry especially in the Carp Valley.

I can tell you that this is something many local farmers, including myself, have already addressed by installing advanced odor abatement systems at our greenhouses. And the difference in the Carpentaria area has been dramatic. After some trial and error with various systems, I ended up having the most success with the buyer's scientific system. And I've heard the same from a handful of other farmers.

Any odor that is still a regular nuisance to the public is being caused by a few bad actors, since there aren't currently any regulations in place. And this is the main reason why I'm eager for the county ordinance to pass today I absolutely support the mandatory odor control requirement in the county ordinance. And the sooner we pass this ordinance, the sooner farmers who want to continue growing cannabis in our county will have to be in compliance.

I believe that everybody should be held to the same high standard. Thank you for your time today and thank you for all the work you and your staff have done on this issue thus far.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:12:03 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Thank you. Chair Jesse Zaragoza to be followed by Emily Johnson

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 46Proposed4:12:12 · ≈ 1:12 PM

Hello, hello, whoa. Sorry I pulled that off there. Thank you guys. I'm a third generation county resident and our farm employs up to 50 county residents. The ordinance protects public health and safety, the environment, character neighborhoods, and agricultural lands. Adoption of this ordinance will give the county the tools to shut down bad actors and mitigate class one impacts.

We are currently cultivating on two large ag tube parcels in Lompoc and hoop structures. We are largely supportive of the draft, but however have three final suggestions. One, as an outdoor grower we are very energy efficient. However, we are concerned that the Energy Conservation Plan standard as written will limit our ability to operate according to best industry practices in the future.

We urgently need the ability to quickly secure a distribution license from the county to transport our product and facilitate legal sales. Please require a land use permit, not a minor conditional use permit. Three on odor abatement, we urge the board to exempt AG2 parcels larger than 40 acres from the order abatement standard. We also only harvest one to two times a year so our impacts on residential neighbors are slim to none. Please do not adopt a standard which is unreasonable and unnecessary for cultivation operations on large Ag-2 parcels.

Due to the geography and nature of Ag-2, we have the most minimal impacts to residents. Thank you guys.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:13:43 · ≈ 1:13 PM

Emily Johnson? Is Emily here? Then we're going to hear from Deborah Liu. How about Sarah Lynn Mandel? Sarah Lynn will be our final speaker.

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CommentSarah Lynn MandelProposedself-stated4:14:02 · ≈ 1:14 PM

Hi, I'm Sarah Lynn Mandel and I'm an attorney. I've been assisting clients in the cannabis industry mostly in Los Angeles. I'm also a member of the Washington Bar and I was involved in some of the rollout there for their regulatory scheme. Most of what I would have said has been said but I do want to emphasize and I think the gentleman that was an FBI person from LA Sort of hit on this, but the most of the complaints I'm hearing today. Most of the concerns have to do with the people that are not complying. They're not coming to you for their permits or temporary permits. They're not here. You're not hearing from those people. Those are the ones usually that are causing the most problems and it was the reason that LA has had so many problems because they had a flourishing of the people not complying And they penalize the people that were complying.

So I ask you to consider when you're working further on these regulations, that one, you allow some sort of temporary, you continue with your temporary permitting so that the people that are in compliance can continue operating. So that you can get some of your tax dollars and have your policing To get the people that are not in compliance and are causing a lot of the problems to get them out.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:15:27 · ≈ 1:15 PM

That concludes public comment.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:15:29 · ≈ 1:15 PM

We will break for lunch and closed session, and we will come back at a quarter till. Quarter till two. A half an hour

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed4:15:43 · ≈ 1:15 PM

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:09:27 · ≈ 2:09 PM

We'll reconvene. I guess there's two ways we could do this one is just go from one of us to the other and put out all our issues on the table, the other way would be to separate it under in a couple different categories anybody have any preference?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:09:59 · ≈ 2:09 PM

I think it would be easier just from my personal perspective to just put it all out. Because I don't know how, unless you can explain how you want to separate things?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:10:14 · ≈ 2:10 PM

I was going to suggest separating it from permit levels, separated from setbacks, separated from development standards and separated from ordinance operative date timing. And then if we get to it William Sinek.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:10:35 · ≈ 2:10 PM

I had a couple questions first. Sure. If we could do those questions. Let's take questions first. Real quick. Just on noticing, I just want to make sure that if you're in an EDRN and we do agree that we would need a CUP. If that's what ends up happening, I just want to make sure that part of that noticing then would require that notice to go to everybody within the EDRN

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:11:01 · ≈ 2:11 PM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Layak and Amigo. At this point in time property owners are noticed within 1,000 feet of the cannabis cultivation site but you could change that and add that addition.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:11:14 · ≈ 2:11 PM

All right and then our enforcement I know he was here all morning anyway I got a question for the DA whenever they get back as well so... Question from

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:11:29 · ≈ 2:11 PM

Supervisor Wolf

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:11:31 · ≈ 2:11 PM

I was just going to go forward with my comments. I don't have any questions at this time.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:11:37 · ≈ 2:11 PM

Let me just ask if there's any more questions first and we'll do it your method Supervisor Wolf when we do comments. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:11:45 · ≈ 2:11 PM

Yes, this is a question for staff about odor control and it does seem like our development standards are to some extent complaint driven and subjective. In terms of a regulatory agency, they typically do have best available control technology with some objective measure that someone, an inspector could go out and simply test it. Sometimes even technology forcing requirements so that over time its ratcheted up the level of emissions reduction. So could you talk about that, respond to that? Because I'm very interested that over time the technology gets better. And I think having a complaint driven system putting the burden on neighbors is not as good as having an inspection program on odor control.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 47Proposed5:12:45 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Hartman. Yeah I should explain that there's actually a couple different components to enforcement and response to other complaints. Some of it is response complaint driven others will be proactive so let's not forget that first off. We would be doing inspections, so we'd be going out and doing the sniffer test if we find that. For example some of the technology that Commissioner Blau suggested is effective at measuring odor control and from what we've seen it looks like it would. We would rely upon that technology and go out and be proactive in doing our inspections and do the sniff tests so to speak. It's also complaint driven in a sense that people have the opportunity they can file enforcement complaints with us zoning complaints and One of the thoughts going into the odor abatement plan and establishing somebody who's responsive 24-7 is that they could respond to complaints that are received after hours.

Whereas we would have, there'd be a lag time if they were relying upon us to go ahead, investigate, respond, and try to corroborate these sources of the odors. So it's a combination of both being complaint driven and proactive. We have been in discussions, for example with air pollution control district staff who said they are going to be reviewing our odor abatement plans. To see if for example what is being proposed is the best available technology and it would effectively address the odors so there'd also be that front end evaluation of for example the technology that they'd be using or the siding of the cannabis operation to make sure that they are effectively controlling the odors. So it's a multi-faceted approach too. It's not entirely complaint driven.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:14:22 · ≈ 2:14 PM

And if I just may follow up, with the APCD is that a one time or will that be a more ongoing discussion to identify improving technologies as they emerge and better detection, more objective numeric detection?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 47Proposed5:14:40 · ≈ 2:14 PM

Yeah, so Chair Williams, Supervisor Hartman. A couple of different things. Number one is we would be working with them not only before we issue the permit to make sure that the review of the proposed odor ablatement plan looks like it will be effective. Second, we do have the licenses. There wouldn't be nothing mandatory at least as proposed so far that would say as new technology becomes available you must We don't have anything in our regulations now. We're looking at it in terms of, at the time when somebody applies for the permit, what is the best available technology at that point and time?

If you were to want to have an ongoing requirement where they must update their odor abatement plan to use the best available technology as it becomes available, that would require some more work on our behalf to come up with some sort of standard for that whether or not it could be enforceable because that would be slightly challenging.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:15:44 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Any other questions? Let's move on to comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:15:48 · ≈ 2:15 PM

I'll just ask a question since we're on odor control in looking at the The requirements, it appears that in the previous language. It said that implementation of a corrective action plan must occur within 30 days and that's not in the new language. Am I reading that correctly? And if so why isn't there a time limit for corrective action?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:16:23 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolf, so the original language was three verified complaints in 30 days. And after discussion with the County Planning Commission we realized that if we made it three complaints within 360 days it would give staff more leeway to look at any possible corrective actions sooner.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:16:47 · ≈ 2:16 PM

But there still is no time limit by which they have to do the corrective action?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 47Proposed5:16:53 · ≈ 2:16 PM

Chair Williams, Supervisor Wolk. That's correct because we do want to have the flexibility based upon whatever appears to be failing in the approved odor abatement plan which would require the corrective action that we could Require, whatever time we're going to allot for them to get into compliance with the plan. We want to make sure it's reasonable given whatever needs to occur. That could include if something was so egregious and they needed to temporarily cease the operations which were generating odors until they could demonstrate that they can effectively control the odors. We would have that opportunity

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:17:26 · ≈ 2:17 PM

to do so. Okay well it seems too fuzzy to me because this is such a big issue that there should be some definite time frames by which a corrective action. But anyway, I guess we can touch on that later. But I do think that's important. So every time, I don't know how many times we've been here and I always say the same thing at the beginning and I'm very disappointed that we're at the point that we are right now. And I say that knowing that so many people have put in so much time and effort, and staff work, and outreach.

But the product that we have before us, I really believe is faulty. And I say that because I've spent many hours going through our environmental document. Someone talked about us not having facts, actually we do have facts. They're right here in this environmental document and Numerous class one impacts. And the way we get around those impacts is to have mitigations, which we do have. But then we have to make a statement of overriding considerations and I find it very difficult, if not impossible to sit here and make that statement because I really believe that it's faulty.

In so many ways, I think that the alternative three that was suggested as the environmentally superior option We pretty much, it feels like we haven't really talked about and it's basically almost been discarded. But I would like to bring that up and I've talked to staff and And they have a couple of slides that I have. And one of the ways to get to that alternative three rather than just looking at the numbers that were provided is by looking Subject that we've had before us, if it's oil development, wineries, housing, hotels or intensification of any ag use. I have not fallen victim, never have fallen victim to the trap of the monetization of land use.

Instead, I look to the values that this county has long relied upon which is thoughtful planning. It's balanced planning and it's listening to the voices of our constituents which by extension does increase property values and does help our bottom line. I don't think in my 12 years that I've sat here that I have heard from such a wide, vast number of constituents throughout the county.

Maybe it was a spay neuter ordinance but to hear from people from Obviously, Carpentaria, Sabata Canyon, Eastern Goleta Valley, Lompoc. I mean this ordinance that we are about to pass touches so many of us in our county and So I think it's incredibly important. One thing that we didn't touch on today, which we have had talked about in the past is the impact on health issues to our kids and to pregnant women.

And I went back over some of our previous presentations and we had from our Health Department The health effects of cannabis. And I just, I know Supervisor Lavagnino doesn't like when I use the word disappointed but I am disappointed- I'm used to it. I know, but I am. I'm really disappointed that this issue of health impacts has not taken more of a prominent role.

in our discussion. So that again leads me to why if you're looking at alternative three, why I also think it's important to limit and cap what is before us in the cannabis industry. I don't believe and I don't think we should pretend that cannabis is the same as broccoli or strawberries, or anything else like that. And then I know what Prop 64 said and I know that this county voted for it. But for those of you who know, Prop 64 also included a ban.

And we're not talking about that here. There's many counties in the state that have banned marijuana, and we're not doing that. So the fact that we're regulating it, and I think that we should regulate it even more than what is before us. I had asked our staff because I didn't have this information about how many, and I'm just speaking about retail establishments.

And I think Jessica you have that slide. And it might shock some of you that if we accept the zoning that's been presented to us, the total amount of parcels where we could theoretically have a storefront retail establishment The total number of parcels in our county, and just correct me if I'm wrong is 284. And that's if we accept our ordinance as it's written.

Now 284 storefront retail parcels is outrageous to me. If you think about it the County of Los Angeles has ten They have 10 in their entire county, two per supervisorial district. And we have the possibility, obviously they have to go through the process, but we have the possibility of 284. So that goes back to the health effects. It goes back to the kind of community and county that we want to have.

I look at my district and if you look at the 1,000 foot buffer that still allows 13 storefronts in my district. Which if any of you have seen the map of all the districts mine is the most compact urbanized district in the county. And of course as you go to the larger districts, there's more. But the bottom line is for the entire county it's too much and it's unacceptable in my opinion.

And that's why I don't think that the way this ordinance is written is acceptable. So what I did as I went through, I would like to propose for retail is that we have which And that would limit the amount of retail establishments that we would have in our county, not the possibility of 284. So as I'm talking to you, I can't even find my Well, I can just read it from here.

These are my suggestions. The first two lines, the first two sections are non-volatile and volatile manufacturing. And I don't believe that they should be anywhere, they should not be in any zone other than MRP, M1 and M2. That they should not be in any ag zone, commercial zone, residential zone, mixed use zone. So there you have it for manufacturing. On testing, again I don't think that the testing should be in any commercial zone so that's where you can see it being crossed out.

The P1 is professional, I want to say industrial. What does the I stand for again? Institutional which I think that's only in my district which is basically right around the Page Youth Center. I think that's wholly inappropriate to have any testing in that type of a zone. I think it's much more reasonable and appropriate to have that in a manufacturing zone.

Now going over to retail, you can see that I've left in C1, C2 and Shopping Center. And then also M1 but as I started at the beginning of this speech, I think that we should limit retail to 10 and only in those zones. On distribution, we heard a lot about that today from folks. I believe that in Ag 1 and Ag 2 there should be a CUP and then again distribution in the manufacturing zones.

The micro business, the reason I don't believe that we should have that as a CUP because of the original discussion that we had. That you can have basically three out of four licenses. After talking to staff and hearing from staff, I would be okay with that. But it's still a concern and I would like to keep it as I have it right there. And keep it again in the manufacturing zones. There is another, the second one which is the cultivation.

That's, yes. So my only change there, although I do know that some folks have recommended the Ag 1 also require a CUP and I would be okay with that but as I started off this morning, I feel very strongly that a CUP is needed in Ag 2 and I leave it up to our staff to think about the best way We need to write that so it's abutting an urban-rural line. It's next to residential development, but I think at that point we should have...we need a CUP for Ag 2.

I'm really happy that we have the 1,000 foot buffer. I loved that Montecito went with 1500 but I don't know if there's any appetite here for that but I would be open to the 1500 foot buffer. Oh another thing on the Ag-2, the issue that I brought up. I do know that the County of Santa Cruz has a one mile buffer if you have residential abutting Ag- 2 so that would be another thing for staff to consider, a one mile buffer.

So I think that's all for now. Wait there is one more thing. And that has to do with, It's page three in our land use ordinance and this has to do with the taxation. And I want to just ask Mr. Gazzone because it says in here that we could change the zoning of cannabis or prohibit it. If the county treasurer is not able to deposit cannabis related funds in a suitable financial institution, and or if the board of supervisors submits a county tax proposal that is not approved by the voters.

I understood Mr. Gazzone and you can correct me if I'm wrong that If I say legally defensible, it makes it sound like I'm a lawyer and I'm not. But I think it's clearer if it's just and that it's not an and or that the verbiage is just and, that it's clearest way but can you opine on that?

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CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction5:31:26 · ≈ 2:31 PM

Chair and Supervisors, I think we're talking about something that's going to come up both on this item and on some other items today. And that is what could the operative dates be contingent on? And the board has some choices on that, and as a starting point, the effective date and the operative dates may be different. So, I've got the stack of them right in here. I'm going to ask you to point me again to whether we're talking about the land use and development code amendment or a different ordinance for your specific question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:31:56 · ≈ 2:31 PM

So I'm looking at the cannabis land use ordinance and it's the amended attachment two. And at page 35 LUDC. So yeah, I just want us to be consistent. Should we just come back to that?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction5:32:28 · ≈ 2:32 PM

Why don't we come back to that, because again I'm not tracking which document you're pointing me toward. But for the board's thought, the board has the option of making the land use ordinances plural contingent on the treasurer finding a suitable financial institution for deposit. We've also discussed separately The voters approving the proposed tax ballot measure for cannabis and you could do one or both.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:32:58 · ≈ 2:32 PM

And what are you suggesting?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction5:32:59 · ≈ 2:32 PM

I'm suggesting that the clearest way would be to have it contingent on both events occurring.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:33:06 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Okay, so when you go back can you just see if the language that's in this that I just read is clear as what you just said.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction5:33:13 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Will do.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:33:16 · ≈ 2:33 PM

I think that's all that I want to say right now. Again, I just want to thank everyone who came out to speak. I think that this whole issue has really gotten some legs in the community where it didn't initially and people have been coming out, speaking out, writing us emails expressing their concerns about how this will impact Either right now or in the future, how it impacts their community. And so I feel very strongly that it's our responsibility to come up with a balanced approach.

Again, I don't think that what's before us is balanced. I think that to the extent that we can, we need to limit the ordinance that's before us and that's what I laid out for you. Thank you Mr Chair.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:34:08 · ≈ 2:34 PM

Supervisor Adam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:34:12 · ≈ 2:34 PM

Well I totally agree with you on the need to be balanced. I think we have different ideas of what balance looks like though and, you know, I too worry a lot about the health impacts but I think at this point Prop 64 took that discussion away from us, and we're going to go off on what I've often referred to as the grand experiment. And we're going to have to just go through it.

You know, I think that in a decade we'll find out that maybe it wasn't such a good idea. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in a decade everything's just fine and there's no apparent harm and everything is gonna be fine and it just goes right on like scotch whiskey which I really love. If anybody wants to bring me any or anything that'd be great. Which was

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:35:12 · ≈ 2:35 PM

prohibited

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:35:12 · ≈ 2:35 PM

at one time. What's that? Skowczewski? Oh yes, true. And that was a sad time in my opinion and I'm glad I didn't have to live through it but here we are today and you know I don't want to get blamed for I don't think we have any number of horrific things that can happen, and I hope they don't. But I think we've got to go through this thing and let it play itself out.

have a right to comfort in their homes. I think everybody will agree to that, producers and people who oppose the production alike. And the growers as a grower, growers have a right to grow the crop of their choice on their property and you know that can come with some caveats especially where one of the things You know really been a struggle for me as a broccoli, cauliflower, lettuce, celery producer is that you guys are producing pharmaceuticals.

And when I hear you guys get up here and talk about, I'm agriculture, I gotta wince a little bit at that. And 64 made marijuana the same thing as my lettuce and I don't know if I'm totally comfortable with that. But it is what it is. And so these suggestions that I'm about to make may not be perfect, but we need to create a legal lane that's not so restrictive It becomes unreasonable, and then the sheriff won't arrest anybody and the DA won't prosecute anybody. I'm worried about this thing kind of turning into chaos as now where everything's neither fish nor fowl, and I have people growing a thousand plants in a pool in a residential backyard in Orkut, and you know, I have a really difficult time Getting that dealt with by law enforcement and that has to stop.

So I think the only way that we're going to get through this is this way. And so what I would, my changes and unfortunately this is so complex. I hope you bear with me with patience here because we're going to take a while to get through this. So, and everybody up here has a copy of this document here which are my proposed changes and I think there's copies in the back of the room.

Oh, it's up okay good deal. I don't know, maybe it's self-explanatory. If anybody has any things that they have real heartburn over, maybe we should talk about it but I think this is reasonable and for me to vote on the tax, I'm gonna have to get this so if there's some stuff in here that you guys just can't live with, maybe that's the way to do it instead of going through the whole darn thing line by line.

Save some time.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:38:59 · ≈ 2:38 PM

Mr. Chair, I do have a comment if I could.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:39:03 · ≈ 2:39 PM

Supervisor Wolk.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:39:04 · ≈ 2:39 PM

Thank you the way I read this Mr. Adam is what your appear to be doing is removing some of the mitigation measures that are in the EIR which I just complained about but this would be even worse if That have been indicated as class one and even with some of these plans that are in place, they would still be significant class one impacts. So there's no way I could even come close to, just from a procedural standpoint those items are just really non starters for me.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:40:00 · ≈ 2:40 PM

Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:40:03 · ≈ 2:40 PM

I agree with Supervisor Wolf that we need development standards to address the nuisance issues and the permit levels except perhaps for an LUP for distribution.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:40:17 · ≈ 2:40 PM

Well okay so my problem with all of those things, and we're talking about the fourth bullet point here right? For the most part

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:40:28 · ≈ 2:40 PM

I probably want to spell it out so those that aren't going to the back of the room. So this is the archeological surveys, the energy conservation plan, the fencing security plan, landscape lighting noise and odor abatement and tree protection.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:40:39 · ≈ 2:40 PM

Right okay. And in part on fencing, so we didn't knock out the whole thing on fencing. We did knock the whole thing out on light. And there's a caveat on the odor abatement where it says properties That are in AG1, AG2, M1 and M2 that are 40 acres or greater. Are exempt from motor control if they're 1,000 feet or more from a residentially zoned property. So what that does is it gets you out there. If you're out there in the hinterlands, you don't need to do an odor abatement plan.

But if you're up against a residential zone property or within a thousand feet of that residentially zoned property, you're gonna do the whole full-race plan. And I think that's reasonable. We do need some fencing and security in part. We do need some lighting in part but if you're out there In a place that is so large that it doesn't need a noise plan, and that's only exemption on AG-2.

I'm worried about this all bleeding back onto all the rest of agriculture. And I've seen this happen before where the oil companies come in and give everybody everything they want, and then they dry up and blow away when the price goes down and then they're looking at the rest of us in agriculture. So the blowback on the rest of agriculture is what I'm worried about here, and I think that these things in terms of archaeological and paleontology, I can't even say it, survey and energy conservation plans are really over-the-top regulatory mechanisms that are just punitive.

And if you're gonna be real commercial agriculture, you don't need that because you're gonna put the most energy efficient thing out there that you can cause you gotta reduce your costs and in an environment where the price is precipitously dropping these guys look at all the heads nodding up and down out there. The price is dropping, you've got to do everything To lower your cost of production because in another year or two, this stuff might be 50 bucks a pound but for the fact that the state's going to still be taxing 160. So I think if we're gonna allow it And it's right or wrong, good or bad, agree or not. It's become an agricultural product just like my lettuce and just like my broccoli.

You know I don't want it to suffer under onerous and I think unreasonable restrictions you know just because we don't like the crop. And I don't like the crop either guys I've told you that, many of you have had conversations with me and I've not been secretive about that. But it is what it is and so there's my reasoning on that.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:44:21 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Well for one just want to say the hardest part for me in looking at this list and I do have every reason because Any control of marijuana is going to work as well as it could without the tax passing. So I have every reason to want to try to satisfy your needs, but for Carbonderia weakening the odor abatement program is pretty problematic because 1,000 Look, people can smell it all over the city.

And 1,000 feet is not that far and one of the reasons why I just haven't been a fan of buffers in general and instead have been supportive of trying to have odor control maximized wherever possible is because people smell it all over the city. So I guess that would be the hardest one there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:45:32 · ≈ 2:45 PM

What's the cure?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:45:35 · ≈ 2:45 PM

I don't know, I mean I think maybe the one is it would be useful to know from staff what of these are Quick matters that we could address today or in what are longer matters that we would have to put in a parking lot to really look at. And for me, I want the odor abatement program basically anywhere 2,000-2,500 feet away from residential properties because odor travels far and fast.

So yeah, that would be my biggest issue. Can we just hear from staff? What are some of these could we address today to try to give

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:46:28 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Peter some... And these are just for inland he's proposing by the way. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:46:37 · ≈ 2:46 PM

So carpentry is not even touched by this because it's all in... So you're proposing this... Yeah, this is inland only.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:46:47 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Let

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:46:49 · ≈ 2:46 PM

me ask further staff to think about an address for us. We're going to keep on going, but how would we satisfy the intent of essentially what were coming up against is that Because of how close together things are in Carpinteria and in Goleta, the odor control is incredibly crucial. In some places that are inland if they're far away from residences they're not as crucial. How can we parse that?

And then with think on that will come back to you and can we keep on going? Mr. Gazzani?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction5:47:40 · ≈ 2:47 PM

Can I just go back briefly to Supervisor Wolf's question, because I think the answer will carry over to all of you. So the question Supervisor Wolf had was two different pieces. One part was the county treasurer being able to deposit cannabis related funds in a suitable institution and the second was potential voter approval or not of the ballot measure. And I think that it's probably easiest to think The actual question by Supervisor Wolf came out of section 13 of the ordinance, which is the purpose and applicability. And that particular paragraph with those two pieces joined together by an and or is really a caveat for the public that even if this ordinance is passed and becomes operative later, that the board may need to act if either or both of these events occurred.

So I think and or is the appropriate language there but I'm going to fast forward you to page 58 of that same ordinance, which is section 19 and that talks about the operative dates. And that's the portion that I was referring to, that the effective date of an ordinance can be earlier than its operative date. In this case, the ordinance is drafted to say it shall become operative Only if the treasurer is able to open an account with a suitable financial institution to deposit cannabis related monies. But the board could either stay with that language or add a second and clause of, and the voters approve the proposed ballot tax measure. And that's where that would go.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:49:12 · ≈ 2:49 PM

Okay, Mr. Chair if we whenever We are concluding this if if we can just be reminded of what mr. Gozoni just stated Because I think that's so important and in all of this discussion If we can just remember to come back to that mr.. Gozoni you couldn't remind us too Thank You

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:49:38 · ≈ 2:49 PM

supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:49:40 · ≈ 2:49 PM

thank you This has been a long journey. I start out, first of all as a supervisor our job is to protect the health and safety of our community and for me it's very important to protect the residential quality of our neighborhoods in the investment backed expectations that people have when they buy their homes which is where most of their money is invested When Proposition 64 was on the ballot, I was much persuaded by the endorsement by the California Medical Association for Prop 64. Because they wanted to regulate this product so that people knew what they were getting.

I was also much influenced by the NAACP because they endorsed it. So many people, especially people of color are sitting in jails for marijuana. And that's very expensive for the county. What we've seen in states that have legalized medical marijuana is that opioid deaths are down 25%. Crime has fallen 13%, so it seems to me that our theory of bringing it out of the black market and regulating it, is the way to protect human health and safety.

So let me turn next to protecting residential neighborhoods. I would be in favor of a ban in coastal zone. I support the EDRN that was proposed for CUP in staff recommendations and I believe endorsed also by the Planning Commission I do think there should be a setback from not only residentially zoned properties, but EDRNs when there's large Ag-II properties.

Van Outdoor in the Coastal Zone as we heard from people. Thank you so much Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:51:54 · ≈ 2:51 PM

Lavinino, I would have been lynched

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:51:56 · ≈ 2:51 PM

probably. EDRN again, I think the CUP set back from Ag 2 to residential and EDRN. Setbacks from outdoor grows and setbacks from greenhouses are different matters if the issue is odor control. So I would be in favor of considering a setback from the property line to the premise of 600 feet for a greenhouse, but 1,000 feet for outdoor. Does that make sense or should I say that again?

Setback from the property line to the premise for a greenhouse indoor grow 600 feet. A thousand feet setback if it's an outdoor I think the suggestion from the Cate School about an annual monitoring and compliance program that looks at the program overall is a good one. Did talk to P&D staff about that, it's unusual to include that in an ordinance but we could direct that and I think that's an important aspect not just a property by property but how do we look at the program as a whole and particularly in the first several years To me that's very important.

In terms of the manufacturing, I support the intent of the PC recommendation. I think we want to encourage On site manufacturing, we don't want to have lots of little. These are not huge machines. This is not a large cooler. They're small and easily contained and rather than having lots of them proliferate at different parcels I think it's a good idea to consolidate. I think it's easier to regulate so I support the PC recommendation on that. I think the permit level for distribution could readily be an LUP.

And I just wanted to clarify something about retail in Isla Vista, if it were the 1,000 foot setback from sensitive receptors there still is a commercial area we check that with P&D so I do think it's important to have legal regulated cannabis available for the university students there. And so but we did check and there is area where it could be sold. So I think that's it for now, and I may reserve the right to come back later.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:55:13 · ≈ 2:55 PM

Can I ask a question? Supervisor Hartman?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:55:16 · ≈ 2:55 PM

Sure

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:55:17 · ≈ 2:55 PM

Thank you, Supervisor Hartman. You mentioned the distance for EDRN and AG-2. And we heard from some speakers of a mile buffer. I was just wondering because what are you thinking as you're thinking of buffers? I think

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:55:45 · ≈ 2:55 PM

a mile is more than should be required and I think it depends on whether there's some odor control or not. And I'm still, I haven't, I don't have, I think a mile is too much at least 1,000 feet somewhere between the two I'd be open to.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:56:03 · ≈ 2:56 PM

Well let me ask you this because an EDRN has a CUP. What about adding a CUP for Act 2? I think

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.825:56:11 · ≈ 2:56 PM

that's, it takes a long time. That's too far for me. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:56:18 · ≈ 2:56 PM

Mr. Lavagnino Thank you Mr. Chair So first off, I want to thank staff. We've had 27 public meetings that they've had to go through. This has been in terms of county government a Herculean task to get this done. It was a year ago that we formed the ad hoc subcommittee and within a year we have an EIR and an ordinance put together. And so I know I'm going to forget somebody, but Glenn Russell, Diane Black, Dan Clement, Jessica Metzger, Mindy Fogg, Steve Mason, Kathy Fisher, Ag Commissioner Dennis Bozanich from the CEO's office, Brian Olmstead, Mike Gazzone and Johanna Bradley.

I couldn't have asked for anything better. Whether people agree with how this is or isn't, you guys have stepped up and done an amazing job. I also want to thank the public because you've been at all 27 meetings. And all of those from industry that are here appreciate your input and I also appreciate those folks like my Tippiscay Crisis Committee with purple hats.

I appreciate the fact that you're at every meeting and you voiced your concerns. Some of the things that I heard people say today that I just kind of want to talk about a little bit, somebody had said well hey where's all the people have been here for all these meetings and the public never shows up except for the people that are part of the industry? Well they showed up in November 2016 okay they voted for this and then they expected the five of us to try to figure out the rules And it's interesting to me that, it's surprising I guess now that District 1 voted the most overwhelmingly over 70%.

My district had passed in every single supervisorial district. And for those that have also said and I've heard probably this much because I probably talk about the money more than anybody but people have said don't monetize it or it's a money grab. The county does not get rich. This does not go in my back pocket, it doesn't go in the supervisor's pockets. This ends up going out in services.

So when somebody came forward and said well I wanted to go make a complaint and the Sheriff's Department's place was empty that's reality man! That's what ends up happening if you don't have any revenue so this money is gonna be going to enforcement compliance we've got a gentleman over there right there in a uniform that has been on This is not our normal permitting, this isn't what we normally permit. Usually when we approve a permit it's for an oil gas operation or development you're going to live with that for the rest of your life.

These are one-year permits. So if somebody comes in here and they're a bad actor, and they've got a problem, first off they're going to have to pass a rigorous permit application process. They get through that and they're still dumb enough to break the rules There are permits coming up within a year. And so I don't think you want that huge investment of starting an operation, go through our entire permit process and then still act out.

I just don't think that's a wise business plan. For me odor is number one. I've been in carpenteria more than ever have been in my life these last six months. I get it. I understand. If I didn't think it could be eliminated, I wouldn't support this. I just visited a facility that has brand new technology. I was standing 10 feet away from the building that had thousands of plants inside and I couldn't smell anything so I know the technology is there.

When we talk about setbacks You know the state law is 600 feet. There's areas where I could see that there's more significant impact. I would be interested in you know maybe a 600 foot and the reason why, the other thing is it's always interesting we talk about setbacks people are like well 1500 feet a mile you know they'd be happy with five miles what is that actual impact though outside of odor for a setback?

And if you have odor control Really what's the reason for the setback? I drive by a lot of these facilities and if I didn't know what was inside it, I wouldn't know what was going on there except the fact that I can smell it. If you have odor control, I'm not really sure what the setback buys you but the state law is 600 feet. So I could see, you know, I could live with your 600 feet for greenhouses.

I'd like maybe 750 feet instead of 1,000 for other activities from property line to premise. Supervisor Wolf on the 284 dispensaries, I agree with you. For once, that is too many. And I would actually have something less than 10. So okay. Hey we agree!

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:02:04 · ≈ 3:02 PM

Let me just say... What's that thing where don't look a

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:02:08 · ≈ 3:02 PM

gift horse in the mouth? Well I was going to go down to 275 just to see if you'd go there but I didn't think so. So I think we could also, well I've heard a lot about CAPS today in the coastal zone. You know we could do seven eight something like that would be good and as far as CAPS you know I'm not a big fan of those but I understand in the coastal zone that it's something that I've been hearing a lot about and if you know I would leave that to Supervisor Williams to throw something out there and I think I might be able to help in that area Energy conservation, it's a great idea and maybe somewhere down the road that's something we might be able to do.

The problem right now is if you're asking people to do odor control and they're going to increase their output, it's a really bad time to ask them to then use the baseline from there so I would say let's wait a year. Let folks get going on what that energy consumption is going to be. And then we could implement some sort of conservation plan from there. Odor control in the inland zone on AG-2 properties is It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, I see a lot of people that are out in my district that are like out in the middle of nowhere.

They're on 40 or 60 acres and they really no one's out there to smell anything they're doing. So I think the EDRNs take care of a lot of that where you have to go through the CUP so Odor control, the other reason is to me is you're going to basically be growing in hoops out in those areas and I don't know of any technology that would allow you to put odor control on a hoop.

Let's see, oh I want to go back to enforcement for a second because this is for my tip escape folks. I did speak with and we had the DAs office was here earlier they couldn't make it through the whole meeting but I did speak with him and said will the DA file charges if These folks, because it will be a misdemeanor if you violate the ordinance. There are misdemeanors in there and asked him if he would, if the DA's office is on board to actually file charges.

And he said yes based on if there's funding in the budget through this to provide for a dedicated attorney they would aggressively pursue charges against misdemeanors or ordinance violations so good to hear that. What else is there? Oh, Williamson Act. I think that's a big problem to the way that APAC kind of figured that and I would just like to put that in a parking lot for now to try to bring that back maybe on March 13th and discuss that.

For Supervisor Adam, I agree with you on 99% of this that I wouldn't wanna do any of these things either. But the difference for me is that your broccoli isn't a class one. So there is a difference and I think we do owe it to folks that we do something above and beyond normal ag. And I understand why you would be worried that this would somehow bleed into normal ag but I'm not gonna say that It won't happen but It will never get a vote from me for that to happen, but that doesn't stop a lot of things from happening around here anyway. So there was a couple more things. Exactly my point. I know, I know, I get you.

Gosh, there's so much stuff. Okay so for the folks that are in the EDRNs I just want to say for those that are growing there, I get it that this came up and it was a last minute hit for you. And I think I have to say that you can point to The folks that have been bad actors in your areas, whether it's Sabata Canyon or Tipiskay. They created a terrible environment for you and it's not a reflection on those that are wanting to do good but we have to respond to the things that we've seen. And I think even though a major CUP is a big hurdle to get over, it's necessary in those areas so I guess that's it from me.

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CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:07:05 · ≈ 3:07 PM

Mr. Chair?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:07:06 · ≈ 3:07 PM

Yes, Mr. Gazzani.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:07:07 · ≈ 3:07 PM

Just one follow up on Supervisor Laminino's comments. I'd heard him discuss some of the different licenses that are out there and probably now is a good time to just review. It might be easiest within each of the ordinances there is a discussion about allowed use and permit requirements. And probably easiest to think of that as three valves on a pipe. Where the first valve is whatever land use permit comes from the county, which would be not a one year permit. And then the valid county business license if that's what is enacted later which would be an annual and then third, the third valve would be the state cannabis license which would be the annual. So you've got a combination of three different controls on there If the county adopted the business license requirement, that would be the third control.

And the last two, the county business license and the state cannabis license are the annuals

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:08:05 · ≈ 3:08 PM

Okay, I'm going to take a brief at bat. I know this will be surprising for a lot of folks because they know I have a very liberal reputation and when I represented you in the legislature on a lot of issues, I was very liberal especially environmental protection that's a big thing. On law enforcement, you might be surprised to find out that a lot of my democratic colleagues kept on going. Why are you so conservative on this? Which to me is only about trying to give law enforcement personnel enough tools to do their job.

I did not even support legalization, predominantly because the legalization initiative also invalidated some people who were convicted of a crime and removed their crimes. Right? It did a lot of weird stuff that was in the fine print of the initiative and Well, let's just say I knew this would be a nightmare to try to implement this quickly. I knew it was inevitable that at some point we needed to work this out and so now I find myself as someone who did not support the legalization initiative faced with how do you deal with this?

And my imperative has been that whatever On paper, has to work in reality. And I think that's my problem with sometimes some of the input because the input seems to have an impression that slowing regulation down will reduce how much cannabis is grown. I mean it's the wild, wild west out there and slowing regulation down isn't going to make things better. Us getting to a regulatory framework as quickly as possible is how we're going to reduce the impacts.

And then I would go further, a ban would only be on paper. If we banned it or if we do setbacks to such an extent that it's a de facto ban then What's going to happen is we'll have too many operations to close down more than we have the staffing or the law enforcement tools to close down. And so to me, this has not been do I like marijuana or do I not like marijuana?

I don't like marijuana. There was a time in my life, a long, long time ago when I did. But I've seen the research on how it impacts the juvenile brain particularly the male brain because we take longer to mature just ask any woman they'll tell you and And because I know that if you don't know where your weed comes from, chances are at least statistically that had some part in the black market.

And the black market for marijuana is all rolled up into human trafficking, sex slavery and hard drugs, bad stuff. So to me, the good thing about what we can go forward on is doing whatever we can to ax the black market. But to do that and for us to even have the resources to do that or even to close down operations that aren't meeting our standard We need to permit enough marijuana that we're not trying to enforce on everyone. We're trying to enforce on the bad or the worst actors, or let's just say the actors that can't comply with the bar that we set.

And if we set too high a bar, then it means we have an unwinnable fight. And if we set too low a bar, then we won't improve things and that's been a tough balance. The, I guess the main thing because someone said you always got to get to the main thing. The main thing for me is that there will never be enough enforcement to close down a significant number of marijuana operations unless we permit a significant number of the operations and tax them to make sure that we can enforce on non-permitted operations.

There's also a lot more at stake. There's a lot more at stake in terms of the county's future. A lot of people have criticized whether we rely on this revenue. I've come to the conclusion basically, the only thing that will make enough of a difference in terms of the county's revenue to make sure that we have the tools in our toolbox to adequately respond Need for social services, mental and behavioral wellness.

Emergency response. While I was here, I was getting bombarded with tons of text messages asking for more traffic officers because between here and Carpentry is a nightmare because of the amount of truck traffics and the amount of people trying to move mud off and still the normal bit of commerce. But we can't afford all, even the people we have out right now doing it.

So I just, anybody says this doesn't, this revenue shouldn't matter to us. You're not even living in the same reality that we're having to live in. So I guess if my goal is to have something that's enforceable, has sets a decently high enough bar to make things improve. And I guess I would even articulate it this way. I want fewer operations than were out there at least as of June of last year. Fewer operations than may even be out there right now because the impacts are significant.

But I want them to meet a high standard and come out and be reputable businesses. And responsible to our community, and be a part of our community. To do that, We should substantiate in some way our commitment to that. Because I think we have de facto, we have all the tools in that ordinance that essentially should not mean more cannabis operations but But if it makes people feel better to substantiate that, then I support a cap.

I would support setting a cap in the coastal zone if we can use that boundary of 45 non-retail and of course the county wide, the number I support as Supervisor Wolfe and Flavinino articulated. Would be eight retail spots. So I guess, I would support those caps and for non-retail, I would just say the best way to call that would be a land use permit because it's complicated what a business is in this realm.

And so I would support capping at 45 the number of If we can't use the coastal I would also want to ensure that we can have inspections of permitted operations at any time during business hours. To me, I'm not completely clear whether that's in there and I am heartened by the fact that it would be a misdemeanor to violate this ordinance and that's the tool I feel like we need.

I also support adopting a motor monitoring program similar to SLOs as suggested by Kate School. I don't think we need to work that out today, that's an implementation question not an ordinance question. And the City of Carp's suggestion of defining, adding the term best available technology as determined by the planning director into the ordinance. That to me is a quick enough one to add today and going back to Supervisor Hartman banning outdoor, the argument you saw here when we started with staff because I was like let's ban outdoor in the coastal zone as was suggested by several people here today.

And staff has articulated that that's not going to be a workable boundary but It would essentially do the same thing if we ban outdoor cultivation in Ag 1. Or I guess my other suggestion would be in any place that we are requiring odor control because, and here's my logic there. You can't do odor control In outdoor operations. So if we have an area where odor control is required, then the only way they could have odor control is with an electrical connection and they aren't legally allowed to have one so they'd have to break the law in order to comply with our law.

So that seems kind of weird. We might just want to spell it out and say that there is no outdoor cultivation in a couple areas. So those are my comments. Supervisor Adam?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:18:53 · ≈ 3:18 PM

Well, my question is for staff I guess and what part of these, which ones of these fourth bullet point on my sheet are the ones that allegedly cause us to recirculate DEIR?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:19:17 · ≈ 3:19 PM

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Adam, I think the majority of them would require us to analyze the EIR and make a determination. They are all mitigation measures. And so it's pretty tricky to eliminate mitigation measures especially of class two impacts without doing some further environmental review.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:19:38 · ≈ 3:19 PM

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:19:41 · ≈ 3:19 PM

Mr. Chair? Are you done Peter?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:19:49 · ≈ 3:19 PM

Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:19:50 · ≈ 3:19 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair so I understand the argument about Ag 2 that's far away from homes and development and why there may not be a need for odor control plans but I'm just going to try to convince three of you that an Ag-2 property that's adjacent to an urban rural boundary, so not one that's far up in the mountains or anywhere. But that's adjacent to an urban rural boundary should require CUP.

And it's very similar to what we're doing with the EDRNs. Specifically, the area above Cathedral Oaks where we have one road into that agricultural area which is Patterson, it's very similar. It's not identical to an EDRN. We have EDRNS in my district but It would be just like an EDRN if people were able to cultivate cannabis right next to an entire residential area. So that's my suggestion, is just so a CUP on egg one if it's adjacent to an urban-rural boundary.

I hope I can get support for that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:21:32 · ≈ 3:21 PM

Supervisor Lavanino? This is kind of why I don't like doing it this way, Then you end up, you're going to get something out of this when you're not supporting 95% of the measure. And I understand-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:21:47 · ≈ 3:21 PM

It's not me, it's my constituents. No, I know, I know. It's just like your folks and you're talking about Tepesquay. I feel about Tepesquay as I would hope that you would feel about the folks that I'm referring to. Right. It is not about me Steve.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:22:03 · ≈ 3:22 PM

No I know. And then we're not going to have probably I mean, I'm looking down the road and am I going to have four people that are gonna want to put this on the ballot? And if I don't and I'm getting a head shake no over there. Then you know what for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:22:18 · ≈ 3:22 PM

me it's well if I if this is really important to make. And the eight, the retail limitation is really important to me. The mixed use I would have preferred that it not be allowed but the CUP that the planning commission put forth, I'm fine with that. I do believe one thing that is a sticking point for me is the 1,000 feet. So there I am with you and then I'm with you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:22:50 · ≈ 3:22 PM

Okay, so all I need to do then is if we could take a break and I could look at a map and see what that does. So it's not just, you know, because it just takes a few minutes. If we could see what that is the rest of those seem normal and that would be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:23:05 · ≈ 3:23 PM

very helpful. And also the ordinance changes. Mr.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:23:08 · ≈ 3:23 PM

Gazzani and then we will take a five minute break for this.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:23:12 · ≈ 3:23 PM

So Chair and Supervisors I was listening to Supervisor Wolf's comment and I don't know if it changed partway through there but while we're taking the break I want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing. Were you discussing Ag 1 at the end or Ag 2 with the CUP?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:23:28 · ≈ 3:23 PM

I was speaking to Ag 2.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:23:29 · ≈ 3:23 PM

Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:23:30 · ≈ 3:23 PM

you. So it's Ag 2 within a thousand foot of residential, you would require a CUP?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:23:39 · ≈ 3:23 PM

A CUP on Ag 2 if it is adjacent to the urban-rural boundary. If the Ag 2 property abuts the urban rural boundary then it requires a CUP.

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PresenterJoe ArmandarizSanta Barbara County Taxpayers AssociationProposedself-stated6:32:43 · ≈ 3:32 PM

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:39:18 · ≈ 3:39 PM

Okay, let's start sitting down. As soon as one more person walks in the room we will reconvene. Let's reconvene. Okay, do we have a motion? Or further discussion? You ready? I didn't know that's what we were doing then. I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:40:20 · ≈ 3:40 PM

thought planning was going to go off and kind of put together what we had discussed and take a break. The only thing I needed was to find out how much of that boundary was there, but then got hit with something else so had to put out the other fire which I think one of the other things that we had talked about. So AG1, let's go back to AG1. I think originally you talked about banning AG1 in a coastal zone and Outdoor. That keeps getting, it's contagious.

Ag 1 outdoor in the coastal zone but that might be problematic so I was looking to do A setback of, in Ag 1 throughout the entire county it would be a 1500 foot set back from a residential boundary to the premise. That

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:41:37 · ≈ 3:41 PM

anything outside of that would require or within that 1500 foot would require odor control and therefore outdoor wouldn't be able to be permitted? Correct. I guess I'll have to live with that. I wanted the coastal zone boundary but staff has articulated why we can't do that.

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CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:42:11 · ≈ 3:42 PM

The thing we like, which is when you're distinguishing within different zones an objective criteria that applies throughout whether it's Ag 1 inland or Ag 1 coastal. And Supervisor Levin, were you saying that there'd be a ban on outdoor cultivation in Ag 1 within 1500 feet of a residential zone property?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:42:32 · ≈ 3:42 PM

What? Okay. So I don't speak lawyer very good so I, what I wanted to say was what you told me I couldn't say so. So read that back again. Because basically what we want to do is bag AG-1 in the coastal zone, which we can't do. So again, what we normally... So we want something uniform throughout the entire

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:42:56 · ≈ 3:42 PM

county? What we like to see and what planning is used to enforcing is an objective standard so that whether it's AG- 1 coastal or AG- one inland you're talking about the same thing. And I thought I heard You say that there be a ban in AG-1 zones within 1,500 feet of a residential zoned property. And I'm just asking if that's what I heard this is not meant to be a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:43:27 · ≈ 3:43 PM

trend. For outdoor growth. Outdoors.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:43:39 · ≈ 3:43 PM

I would prefer if you would allow it with a CUP because then the neighbors would be on their way. To keep it clean with

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:43:46 · ≈ 3:43 PM

as few CUPs as possible, you know? We can always have it tougher and if it's too tough we can revisit things but we can't revisit things very easily the other way because then something gets permitted that shouldn't get permitted.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:44:08 · ≈ 3:44 PM

It would be real helpful for me if we came back in like a few minutes and had kind of planning layout what they thought they heard or have you heard enough to know you haven't.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:44:19 · ≈ 3:44 PM

No I think you need to roll through your whole motion and then they will see if there is agreement conceptually that that's what we do, then they can come back and amend it in writing as we are taking the next item. That's how we can do it.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.826:44:40 · ≈ 3:44 PM

Mr.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:44:40 · ≈ 3:44 PM

Chair,

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.826:44:42 · ≈ 3:44 PM

thank you. I think we're dealing with two issues that we want to solve and I just want to be clear on those issues. I think the first is in the Carpinteria area how do we limit outdoor because you can't really control the odor very well? And that's on AG-1 properties. I think the other issue that I share with Supervisor Wolf is not just residentially zoned properties, but EDRNs where you have AG-2 and how to create some kind of a buffer there again for the odor, the nuisance.

I think the intent at this point of the board is for us to integrate

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:45:50 · ≈ 3:45 PM

Mr. Lavanino can roll through. Okay, so let's just try this.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:45:57 · ≈ 3:45 PM

And I'll try not to butt in too many times here but on the 1500 foot setback for out banning outdoor otherwise banning outdoor cultivation on AG-1 am I understanding that's an addition to the current draft language that it's outdoor cultivation banned on AG one less than 20 acres?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:46:19 · ≈ 3:46 PM

Yes For me I didn't think it was a ban, I thought that's what would require odor control.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:46:26 · ≈ 3:46 PM

That's essentially the same thing because you can't legally get odor control so I mean I think either way you phrase it has the same substance.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:46:36 · ≈ 3:46 PM

Alright so let's tick through these one continue I'd like to move that we continue the Williamson Act discussion until March 13th. One package. Yeah, let's hear everything. Well I'm going to have to get some buy-in on different things here so okay then I would say adopt a 600 foot setback from sensitive receptor property lines to premise for nurseries and 750 feet from the receptor property line premise for all other activities That we cap dispensary permits. Did we come up with eight was the number? That's right We have no language about though how you know, so all eight don't end up on the same block I Don't know how you want to work that but so that I guess we can Come up with that maybe at a later time, but kept Let's start with just a cat okay we would No.

I can't do that because mine's banned in all of my district. Yeah I can auction off my other one. Can you use your mic Supervisor Wolf? We would also move that, oh shoot this language is like crazy. That we would move that the energy conservation portion begin a year after the permits issued so that we have a baseline should be calculated on the 1-year anniversary EDRNs will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis per the CUP process.

That no odor control would be required in inland AG2 properties. And then the last one was Mr. Gazzone's, which I did not write down, which is It's actually mine that Mr. Gazzone gave me. Can we repeat that one?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:49:15 · ≈ 3:49 PM

I think we currently have language and I'm just looking at the Coastal Zoning Ordinance although the language is pretty much the same. Cultivation, Ag-1 lots 20 acres or less outdoor cannabis cultivation is prohibited on lot zone Ag- 1 they're 20 acres or less in size and then in addition you would be adding And must have a 1500 we would reword this but must also have a 1,500 foot setback as to any residential zone property Okay to the premise.

Yes,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:49:50 · ≈ 3:49 PM

okay Diane has a question

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:49:56 · ≈ 3:49 PM

so just two clarifications I think so far so on AG 2 it's not clear to me what you want the buffer from the EDR in and the urban-rural boundary to be So I'm not sure what the board was intending there.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:50:13 · ≈ 3:50 PM

In Ag 2, if it's inside an EDRN.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:50:17 · ≈ 3:50 PM

No I understand that. A buffer to it?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:50:19 · ≈ 3:50 PM

I don't have... That's not

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:50:20 · ≈ 3:50 PM

part of the motion. I think Supervisor Wolk was just saying that Ag 2 parcels that abut

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:50:26 · ≈ 3:50 PM

the

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:50:26 · ≈ 3:50 PM

urban boundary would require a CUP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:50:30 · ≈ 3:50 PM

Yeah, that's what I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:50:31 · ≈ 3:50 PM

thought. If that's what you guys are looking for. I looked at the map and I'm not excited about that so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:50:41 · ≈ 3:50 PM

So you're not going with that? Okay, and you're also not going with the 1,000 foot setback. And you're not going with a thousand foot setback? I know we just went through this before we took a break so I just want to be clear before I vote because those are really important things to me.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:51:04 · ≈ 3:51 PM

And then we had one item that just keeps coming back, and whichever way you go with it is fine. We just want clarity. Right now the ordinance has drafted that the operative date is contingent only on the treasurer finding a suitable financial institution for deposits of cannabis-related funds. You have the option of adding onto that or not voter approval of the proposed cannabis tax measure.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:51:27 · ≈ 3:51 PM

My motion will not include the second part of that. It'll only be if that we find a suitable bank.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:51:33 · ≈ 3:51 PM

And Mr. Chair, Supervisor Lavenino? The other issue I wanted to remind you about is- I'm going to wait. Is we really recommend that you treat all Ag 1 and Ag 2 properties the same whether they're coastal or inland. So is your motion no odor control on Ag 2 properties? Because you said inland.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:52:08 · ≈ 3:52 PM

Where do you have Ag-2 down here in the coastal zone?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:52:12 · ≈ 3:52 PM

Only two parcels I know of. A couple of parcels in Carpinteria.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:52:16 · ≈ 3:52 PM

Yeah, there's several. I'm not going to sacrifice the entire North County for two parcels in...

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:52:26 · ≈ 3:52 PM

But I have a solution because if we agree to Supervisor Wolf's proposal then those parcels because they're adjacent to La Marada would qualify in that definition, I believe and then we would have a solution.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:52:46 · ≈ 3:52 PM

So Mr. Chair and Supervisor Lavinino, there are other Ag-2 properties in the coastal zone. There are Ag-2 properties all along the Gaviota Coast but they aren't abutting any significant residential areas so when I said there aren't any, I don't think there are any that you're particularly concerned about with respect to odor control.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.826:53:11 · ≈ 3:53 PM

And would you show that for the San Ynez Valley as well? Do you have the map? Can we go to San Ynez?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:53:20 · ≈ 3:53 PM

So what you're seeing on this map is AG1 in the light green, AG2 in the dark green. So most of your AG1 buffers your urban areas but there are some areas that about.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:53:36 · ≈ 3:53 PM

So essentially if we tried to do both what you want to do on Ag 2, Mr. Lavinino and what Supervisor Wolf wants to do on Ag 2 then there would be no odor control required on most of the dark green except where it abuts those residential neighborhoods in which case there would be a 1,000 foot buffer and require a CUP

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:53:58 · ≈ 3:53 PM

is that my understanding? It would require a CUP which is again similar to the EDRN

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:54:06 · ≈ 3:54 PM

Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:54:08 · ≈ 3:54 PM

essentially basically

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:54:09 · ≈ 3:54 PM

yeah. So really in North County you can't grow cannabis in a hoop unless I agree to this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:54:22 · ≈ 3:54 PM

I don't understand

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:54:23 · ≈ 3:54 PM

because you can't put odor control on a hoop so the only reason we're not going to build greenhouses in North County You would be able

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:54:38 · ≈ 3:54 PM

to unless it's the area that abuts. And you might be able to make the case, you just have a CUP requirement so we have an additional hook to tell them you have to do X, Y and Z.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:54:53 · ≈ 3:54 PM

So I guess I'm over a barrel here. If we need the fourth vote, which I don't think we really do need just so I'm on the record that all of these are passing with 75% throughout the state. I don' know anybody in particular that is impacted by that but it would have been nice to know before the meeting today. It's something I'm going to have to think about real quick I guess. We will take a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 49Proposed6:55:17 · ≈ 3:55 PM

three minute break.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:55:24 · ≈ 3:55 PM

Can I ask Supervisor Lavagnino a question? Because it just is concerning to me about the eight retail because I don't want them all. None of them will be in your district, is that what you're saying?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:55:37 · ≈ 3:55 PM

Well Santa Maria has banned everything. I guess I could have something out in Tippiscay. I'm just kidding for those people out there. That was a joke! There will not be a Tippiscay. I'm sorry, I did that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:55:52 · ≈ 3:55 PM

Well can we? Because my district wouldn't want all eight. So is there a way you could say with a maximum of two per district?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed6:56:02 · ≈ 3:56 PM

Is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:56:03 · ≈ 3:56 PM

that okay? Okay thanks.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:56:06 · ≈ 3:56 PM

If we said maximum of two per supervisorial district.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:56:11 · ≈ 3:56 PM

Okay, I think that's good.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:56:15 · ≈ 3:56 PM

Supervisors, on the cap I recognize you're trying to complete a first reading today and the cap area is probably somewhat problematic as to how it's implemented. You certainly could preserve the topic that you can have a certain number of caps and then come back and amend downstream as to how that would be implemented. The intent is to substantiate

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:56:57 · ≈ 3:56 PM

We've got to figure out how staff does that in the most defensible way.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.826:57:07 · ≈ 3:57 PM

If I might ask Mr. Chair, is that then for cultivation as well as retail you mean?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:57:14 · ≈ 3:57 PM

We can do retail right now, right? Because it's not unequal throughout. We're just creating a uniform standard the

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:57:22 · ≈ 3:57 PM

question is... I would just say that caps have been problematic in other areas and I think that before we assume that a cap that just certain number per district actually works we'd really like to take a look at

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:57:35 · ≈ 3:57 PM

I'm okay with parking my one until March 13th. Are you okay as long as we're committing publicly that we're going

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:57:43 · ≈ 3:57 PM

to

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:57:44 · ≈ 3:57 PM

implement these caps?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:57:49 · ≈ 3:57 PM

So Mr. Chair, on the issue that Supervisor Lavinino has been given some time to think about I just need to when you give us direction I need to know whether you're talking about those parcels that a bot add to an EDRN or those parcels within 1,000 feet because I've heard both and if we're going to draft something we need to know which it is

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:58:15 · ≈ 3:58 PM

Well, mine was for abutting. It's the interface right there so whatever has to be adjacent. Right adjacent

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:58:22 · ≈ 3:58 PM

to the urban-rural boundary or the EDRN

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:58:24 · ≈ 3:58 PM

boundary. And a CUP it's just like the EDRN so there is no thousand foot and it requires a CUP.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed6:58:31 · ≈ 3:58 PM

And the CUP could be for indoor or outdoor it's just a CUP and then see how it falls out?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:58:37 · ≈ 3:58 PM

Exactly. That's my inclination.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.836:58:40 · ≈ 3:58 PM

Could we make this clear for me so that, I'm sorry, so that when we come back, we say Ag 1, this is allowable. Ag 2, this is allowable. So I can see it? I would appreciate that.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction6:58:54 · ≈ 3:58 PM

And Chair and Supervisors, again I'm underscoring the pretty broad discretion that the board has in this area of rational basis where you're allowed to make rational distinctions. One of the distinctions you can make is that the product we are talking about cultivation of it is a crime under federal law so you are allowed to make some pretty broad distinctions here.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:59:17 · ≈ 3:59 PM

Well, so if that's what staff is going to now start working on drafting we will briefly trail this item and take up the tax for presentation. And then vote on both at the end. Right? So let's turn it over to Dennis.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:59:38 · ≈ 3:59 PM

Can I just ask a question? I hate

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:59:40 · ≈ 3:59 PM

to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:59:41 · ≈ 3:59 PM

cause any problems here.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:59:43 · ≈ 3:59 PM

Especially as peace is about to break out in the Middle East, you know? Do not ask for anything else. Come on!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed6:59:52 · ≈ 3:59 PM

I'm just, I'm looking at the sensitive receptors. Because you went back to the 600 feet and again Montecito was at 1500, the planning commission was at 1000- His

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:00:05 · ≈ 4:00 PM

motion was 750.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:00:06 · ≈ 4:00 PM

Oh, 750? Okay.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:00:09 · ≈ 4:00 PM

600 nursery, 750 everything else.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:00:11 · ≈ 4:00 PM

All right thank you for clarifying.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:00:15 · ≈ 4:00 PM

So I know we're going to roll into our next item. And I understand that the board is going to trail the current item and bring it back, and then vote at that time? That's right. Maybe we could hear from planning but in order to have some fairly crisp language you would count as a first reading. Is that the goal when you come back? That is the goal. No matter how long we have to sit here. You'll need more than a half hour to make that happen off the list that you've just given us. All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:00:38 · ≈ 4:00 PM

right well do whatever you can.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.827:00:44 · ≈ 4:00 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair. I think we still have an outstanding issue where we have a different recommendation from the Planning Commission and from staff on processing onsite, and I haven't heard that addressed so I'm not sure where we're going to end up on

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:00:59 · ≈ 4:00 PM

that. Can I articulate what the quandary is there? To me if you have Too high of a number required to be on site, then essentially you're going to have everybody buy these devices. And if your goal which in Carpinteria the concern from the city has been that there's going to be too many of these volatile manufacturing devices so kind of my issue is if you have a high percentage requirement If you have a 10% requirement then you're basically saying every other operation is going to buy one. And if you have a 10 percent requirement then every five operations are going to buy one which is a lot less or every ten, sorry.

And if you have 20%, it would be every five. So I'm kind of okay with the Planning Commission recommendation just simply because

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:01:54 · ≈ 4:01 PM

Can we just hear from Kathy Fisher? I'm just curious if that's okay, Mr. Chair. Yeah

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:02:00 · ≈ 4:02 PM

absolutely.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:02:00 · ≈ 4:02 PM

Do

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:02:02 · ≈ 4:02 PM

you have comment on the percentage requirement to have to originate onsite?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 50Proposed7:02:10 · ≈ 4:02 PM

Now that I'm clear what exactly the objective was no I don't have any further questions.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:02:20 · ≈ 4:02 PM

I would rather see us I know they said today that the reason why it is we want to stay in lockstep with what we're doing with the winery ordinance and everything else. I think that's a mistake that was made in all those other ordinances. So you're supportive of

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:02:38 · ≈ 4:02 PM

the Planning Commission recommendation? Then we'll trail this item, bring it back and we take up the tax.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:02:46 · ≈ 4:02 PM

Can we also make the change that Mr. Gazzone said in the ordinance per his request on the operative date?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:02:56 · ≈ 4:02 PM

No you're talking about whether or not it passes the tax? Is that what you're talking about, the operative date? Yeah. Well if four of us vote to put the tax on and we don't get 50%... Oh I know. And we're only going to get in trouble. But

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:03:11 · ≈ 4:03 PM

Supervisor Wolf... I understand and I... If

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:03:14 · ≈ 4:03 PM

we get four votes to do that, I would add that as if we get four votes and it goes with just a 50%, I'm willing to say if the tax fails

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:03:21 · ≈ 4:03 PM

that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:03:22 · ≈ 4:03 PM

we'd get rid of the ordinance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:03:24 · ≈ 4:03 PM

Thank you. We'll do that in the next time.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:03:27 · ≈ 4:03 PM

So I think the conceptual was to make the land use ordinances contingent on both the treasurer finding a suitable financial institution for cannabis related deposits as well as voter approval of the proposed cannabis tax ballot measure?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:03:40 · ≈ 4:03 PM

Are you sure you need that because don't you think everybody needs to have this tax passed, both people who want less marijuana and the people who want marijuana to be reformed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:03:50 · ≈ 4:03 PM

Yeah, but I also think to make the findings and we have to make sure that we have the tax. Yes, I agree with you and I would just assume just wait and do it in the next item as Supervisor Lavagnino suggested if that's okay? Can we just do that? Yeah. Okay.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:04:11 · ≈ 4:04 PM

Mr. Bozanich.

CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction7:04:14 · ≈ 4:04 PM

I just want to check with Mr. Allen if he needs to read into the record at all.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:04:25 · ≈ 4:04 PM

Please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:04:27 · ≈ 4:04 PM

Chair Williams, members of the board, this is item four. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the cannabis tax ballot measure.

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CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction7:04:34 · ≈ 4:04 PM

Great, thank you very much members of the board. Chair Williams? So just to refresh everybody's memory at the January meeting we discussed returning today with a general and a special cannabis operation tax. And you have option one in your packet is the general tax measure. Prepared by your staff and option number two is the special tax, special cannabis operations tax measure.

And then you also asked us to prepare options for having the tax be imposed either in the unincorporated area of the county exclusively or county wide. And rather than prepare separate versions General tax and special tax for both of those conditions. We have some language changes that we can present you with, but option one and option two is there in your packet are drafted as though the tax was only effective and imposed in the unincorporated area of the county.

So some possible actions today from this conversation would be the introduction of an ordinance imposing a cannabis operation tax by adding chapter 50A to the county code by title only. And then waive the reading of the entire ordinance set for next week, a second reading of this ordinance when you will also adopt a resolution with ballot measure and instructions to the elections division of the clerk recorder assessor's department.

And you may also choose to appoint members to draft an argument in favor of the measure and return to a board meeting on the 27th for consideration of that subcommittee's draft argument in favor. So just to walk through the two options that you asked us to come back with today. One, the first part is it's important to remind you that requires the ballot measure to receive a majority vote of the local electorate that casts a ballot for that measure on June 5th.

And today, if you so choose to do a general tax that would require forfeit's vote of this body. To adopt the resolution actually next week and to approve the board initiated ordinance which is in your packet and for those of you looking online attachment one that's available online on the website. And that would impose a cannabis operations general tax. There's a draft resolution and attached ordinance at attachment two, which is what you would take up next Tuesday at the 13th during the second reading. Generally we place those items on your administrative agenda but as you know it could be pulled by any one member of your board for consideration and deliberations.

One of the things that's important to note about the general tax is that revenues would be used for any governmental purpose and that revenues would be allocated through the annual budget process. A little bit more detail now on option two, which is a special tax. So recall that the ballot measure would require two-thirds plus approval by the local electorate that cast the ballot on the measure.

It would require majority vote of your board today and next week to adopt the resolution and to approve the ordinance that would impose actually the cannabis operations special tax I should say there. Sorry for that mistake. The draft resolutions and ordinances are attached in attachment four, for your consideration and would be included as your board actions for next week again on the administrative agenda.

So one of the key provisions of the special tax is it does allow your board to consider precisely what the purposes that the money would be collected for and spent. And so working with staff in our office and with others, we came up with this definition again based on the comments that your board provided to us in January. So the way the wording currently is constructed in the ordinance, this is in section four of what would be attachment three in your packets. The first $1.75 million collected each year Would go to the county departments that we've previously listed as being responsible for enforcement, investigation and civil or criminal prosecution activities related to the permitted and unlicensed cannabis operations in the unincorporated area of the county.

And that effective beginning July 2019, the amount would be adjusted. So after one year we would adjust that amount with a CPI since it's a flat dollar amount we built in a CPI adjustment for those enforcement dollars Then the remainder of the funds collected through the tax each year would be allocated amongst the following county departments in accordance with a yet to be determined counties cannabis revenue allocation policy that we would bring back.

At a later date. And those funds, as you specified in our meeting in January would go to sheriffs, district attorney, public defender, behavioral wellness, public health, planning and development and the agricultural commissioner's office. The board may also want to consider other departments if they so choose, but those are the ones enumerated at this point in the draft ordinance.

The cannabis allocation policy would be reviewed and approved annually by your board at a duly noticed public meeting. And then just an important note on this, the county departments may be funded first from the tax revenues for their actual administrative legal or tax administration costs not to exceed 20%. So these would be funds that Perhaps for treasurer, tax collector and others including council and perhaps even our office would be up to 20% of the tax collected. Whatever the actual cost would be funded from those tax revenues for the administration just of the tax not the rest of the licensing and permitting program Your board asked us to come back with options. As we talked about in January, this particular part of the government code is somewhat unique in that it does allow the tax to be applicable either to just the unincorporated area or county wide.

It's one of the few places where this is allowed. And so at this point, currently we wrote the draft ordinances that you have in your packets as to be only within. The tax would only be imposed within the unincorporated area but we do have alternative language and we actually have some of those draft ordinances ready to go and the language should be substituted as you see here on the screen where it currently says unincorporated area. It would just simply become the county.

In the resolutions at attachment two and attachment four, attachment two for the general tax. There is in that resolution the following language that staff has drafted for you about the possible ballot measure language. Important to note that the elections division and state, actually government code, elections code has a limit of 75 words that can be used to describe the tax to voters in particular on the ballot issue itself.

And that is particularly challenging in our particular case because we have to include all of the rates and the description of what those rates apply to. We also have to describe now, according to a change in state law, how much money is going to be raised by the tax. And we also have to tell them how long the tax is going to last. In this case, it will have no end date. So this is a rather prescriptive formula for having to fit all of these pieces into a 75 word limit.

We do get some allowances for things like Santa Barbara County Code only counts as one word. But as you'll see here, this is some draft language that staff has prepared and inserted in the resolution for the general tax measure. Dennis? I'm just

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:13:25 · ≈ 4:13 PM

going to, for sake of brevity, we can read these things and let's keep them up during public comment because I do think there's an issue. So can you

CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction7:13:40 · ≈ 4:13 PM

wrap up? Yeah, sure. So let me just go to the special tax ballot measure here. This one also has to include what the items are for, what would the special tax monies and revenues go toward. And in this case, you'll notice at the very end we talk about for enforcement health and other services. So just real briefly to wrap up, the future public hearings obviously today on permitting and the taxation ordinances. Next week there'd be a hearing on the administrative agenda.

Apparently it looks like it's going to work out for the permitting ordinance and ideally hopefully for the tax ordinance since we're up against the deadline with elections. The plan then would be to come back on the 27th. For discussion based on if the subcommittee is asked to write the argument in favor of the ballot measure. That we would have to bring that back for board consideration on the 27th, because that is due to the elections division on February 28th.

So we get in just before that. And then on March, we would also come back with a little bit of conversation about the transition period planning for that. We had left that conversation behind a couple months ago. We thought it would be now timely to bring that back. March 20th, we had pushed out the discussion about the cannabis business licensing. We would bring that back on March 20th and then just a reminder that coastal commission certification would happen Somewhere in the period between this March and next spring.

So here listed are the recommended actions for today. Select either option one or option two, the general tax and special tax. Make a determination about whether you would like to have that tax imposed on the unincorporated area only or county wide. And then consider the introduction of an ordinance, set a hearing for next week, and then if you so desire appoint members to draft an argument in favor of the measure. And come back on the 27th for consideration of that draft argument.

And make the CEQA findings. And with that, I'll answer any questions. Mr. Gazzani?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:15:46 · ≈ 4:15 PM

Chair and supervisors, just one housekeeping item. The board, excuse me, the public agenda for this item phrased the 8% cap just slightly differently than what's in the board agenda letter. So just to avoid any confusion we recommend people are looking at the board agenda letter that phrases the cap in terms of a cap that in no event shall any person conducting multiple of the above operations pay more than 8% of gross receipts.

It's just worded slightly differently, same general action. But just in case there is any confusion on the wording.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:16:16 · ≈ 4:16 PM

Let's go to questions and then public comment question? Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:16:24 · ≈ 4:16 PM

Mr. Bilanich you may have said this and I missed it but how many words are in the general text that you have right there?

CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction7:16:31 · ≈ 4:16 PM

Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolf, I believe there's 73 words in the current version of that general tax block. And then we are at the 75 word limit for the special tax.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:16:49 · ≈ 4:16 PM

And I'll just note that I've been frustrated by this too. You must be reading this probably having the same heartburn I have, which is we don't say what we're going to spend it on and if we want the public to have confidence in it, we should say what we're going to spend it on. I'm going to propose after public comment that we strike the cap because that's nine words.

Explaining the cap in the ballot argument is nine words, and with those nine words, we could articulate what we're actually going to spend it on. And I have a draft that I can pass out to take a look at it. So why don't we go to public comment though before we go too far?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:17:35 · ≈ 4:17 PM

We're going to go to Santa Maria first. It's Joe Armendariz in the building in Santa Maria. And following Mr. Armendarz, it'll be Pamela Baxter.

PresenterJoe ArmandarizSanta Barbara County Taxpayers AssociationProposedself-stated7:17:48 · ≈ 4:17 PM

Members of the board, I'm Joe Armandariz representing Santa Barbara County Taxpayers Association. Let me just tell you what I was very surprised about today and The retired FBI agent from Los Angeles who lives in Santa Barbara County and only found out about this hearing two hours ago. The idea that we wouldn't be marshalling the sort of human resources that are available, and bring in that level of expertise particularly with respect to what I think one of the supervisors suggested is a grand experiment, I think it's stunning.

As a former eight year member of the Carpinteria City Council, I'm once again amused by the irony of what's happened in the Valley of Carpinteria as a result frankly of the over regulation of the local government. In that particular instance, the city and of course the county Regulating greenhouses out of existence so that the only viable crop you can grow in that amazing area of the state is marijuana. I find that both fascinating and profoundly disappointing.

Finally, with respect To the tax option, the Taxpayers Association unequivocally supports Option 2. We never support a general tax increase. We would submit for what it's worth that in California in general and Santa Barbara County in particular we are We are overtaxed irrespective of whether we're talking about individuals or small businesses, or even in the case of cannabis operators. We are a severely overtaxed county and state.

You need to be able to specify where these dollars are going to go. If we've learned anything from the last 100 hours of this hearing is that you don't have any money because frankly, you don' do a very good job of managing it. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:19:58 · ≈ 4:19 PM

Our next speaker is Pamela Baxick in Santa Maria, then we're going to come back to Santa Barbara for Mr. Caldwell

CommentKathy FisherProposed · by introduction7:20:05 · ≈ 4:20 PM

Chair Williams and members of the Board, thank you for taking time to consider options for allocation of the revenue from the cannabis industry. And thank you very much to the staff for your research and preparation of the material under consideration. I'd like to urge the Board to approve the measure that allocates the revenue collected to be placed in a general fund and to be put on the June 5th 2018 ballot.

State of California has designated state tax revenue from the cannabis industry to specific funds covering areas related to and affected by the cannabis industry. has diverse and changing needs, which will experience more with the cannabis industry in place. In the recent months fires and mudflows have brought unforeseen devastation. These disasters are solemn alerts that available funds are prudent and necessary.

If Santa Barbara County adopts a measure to place county tax revenue from the cannabis industry in a general fund to be used locally, it will be available to prioritize for county need which may be underfunded from other sources. All essential sectors should be eligible to receive assistance from this significant new source of revenue. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:21:25 · ≈ 4:21 PM

Mr. Caldwell? To be followed by Annette Nenu.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed7:21:30 · ≈ 4:21 PM

Chair Williams, I do object to being down to two minutes on this one. You don't have that many speakers and this could cost you a lot later in terms of this ballot issue. You've not settled whether or not you can take the money in legally. You will not have settled whether or not you will fix the Williamson Act issue Until March and you're going to have your ballot arguments done by Feb, where does that leave organizations like COLAB and the taxpayers who may be wanting to do this rebuttal?

We won't know what we're rebutting. This rush to get on the June 5th ballot is causing all of this pressure In terms of time, energy and money to try to get something done to get on the June ballot where you're literally pulling the trigger on ballot arguments before you've even finished your hearing. And I want to know what assurances do we have that this money isn't just going to backfill pensions?

What assurance do we have the money isn't just being used to pay for normal operating costs because you have a 20 or $30 million deficit? I don't know if we can beat you on a 50% threshold, but I'm darn sure we can beat you on two-thirds just based on that argument alone. We don't want to. We're not against the tax because we agree with you the tax should pay for the impacts.

But by golly this is not fair to the public that you guys are ramrodding this thing through before you've even answered all of the questions. You're going to have submitted your ballot argument before you know what your ordinance is. You know the bottom line here, Taxpayers Association, Joe ran out of time. We've been talking already our organizations they oppose general taxes as a matter of principle and we think you should be talking to the unions and other people about this measure as to whether or not they're going to have support based on these questions and more which we don't have time to discuss That haste is unconscionable.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:23:44 · ≈ 4:23 PM

Our next speaker is Annette Nino, to be followed by Annette Russell

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CommentAnnette NinoProposedself-stated7:23:52 · ≈ 4:23 PM

Good afternoon, Chair and board members. My name is Annette Nino. I'm a representative of SCIU Local 620. Local 620 is in support of county's ordinance to bring the cannabis industry into compliance with local and state law. Local 620 and its members would like to thank the staff and the board for your ongoing commitment to this policy issue which has the potential to generate significant revenue for the county to support services.

Due to the shortfall of the county's upcoming budget, a cannabis general tax ballot measure would be an important revenue generator to support county jobs for SEIU Local 620 members and other county staff. Which will have a significant impact on the county as a whole. The program would also work to enforce and cease illegal cannabis growth in sales within the county and it would expedite the industry's compliance With local and state regulations. In conclusion, SEIU Local 620 and its members urge the board to place a general tax on the ballot in June 2018. Thank you very much for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:24:55 · ≈ 4:24 PM

Annette Russell? Is she here? Then we'll go to Paul Ekstrom. To be followed by Emily Johnson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed7:25:14 · ≈ 4:25 PM

Well, I'm a resident who is just fed up having to put up with the smell all the time. So I support any tax that you can put together that will help enforce the bad players. I know there's a few good players but we've got to take care of the bad players.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:25:30 · ≈ 4:25 PM

Thank you. Emily Johnson? Then Deborah Liu? Jeff Bard. Danny Carrillo. Liz Rogan. All right, we found somebody. Liz Rogan and then John DeFriel will be our last speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 51Proposed7:26:12 · ≈ 4:26 PM

Good afternoon Supervisors, Chair. Thank you so much for your time today and I know obviously this is an issue we've been dealing with for a while so thanks again and look forward to good resolutions to all of this. So I just want to say that I know that the taxes are tough but I think that they're fair as a local resident who's been here for over 15 years.

You know we really want to stay here. I know we've communicated that with you and Community members, we are your friends. We're your neighbors who maybe are smelling and bothering you but the thing is This is tax revenue that goes to our community. We do need this infrastructure. We do need money for the pension look at Montecito I mean we really do need to make sure that we have all of our roads and The emergency services we need in everything and I know you guys know that already But I just want to say that the industry is here to comply and You know, we want to be good neighbors like everyone here has said and so we just ask you to continue making that happen. And there's been a comment earlier that they said oh the industry is winning in getting everything they want and I just want to let you know that that's not true.

They're not. There are patients who are paying now $20 more for their medicine than they used to. It's not covered by their insurance Hopefully in the future that will be an option. I know that's not necessarily as much important to you guys maybe as on this tax thing, but I just want to bring it back to the people who are suffering sometimes and where this all started a long time ago with Prop 215 so just remember that it does affect the common person and thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:27:51 · ≈ 4:27 PM

John DeFrio?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed7:28:01 · ≈ 4:28 PM

Heather, I just want to speak in support of the tax measure as written. We do believe it'll still allow the industry locally to remain competitive. I just want to point out that in EIR 44% of all operators were on Williamson Act property so if that isn't effectively worked out In the next few weeks or so there will perhaps be a much smaller percentage of the industry to tax.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:28:25 · ≈ 4:28 PM

That concludes public comment

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:28:30 · ≈ 4:28 PM

So it is to the board. I've asked Dennis to put up the language that I'm suggesting to change because the issue that I have is we should be articulating what we're spending money on, at least we can't fit everything that we would spend money on because we only have nine words that we gained but at least this would have some of The issues that might be important to the people of the county. We especially included things, we didn't include everything that we should spend money on because obviously we've already shown you in the hearings previous to this what the planning department and what the sheriff's department have asked for In terms of enforcing this ordinance. So I think part of it is that's what staff is asking for. I think we're all ready to budget that, but part of it is also that we need to let the public know some things that they care about are included and so Our best effort at using nine words, because that's all we had once we struck the cap language.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:30:02 · ≈ 4:30 PM

Supervisor Lavergne? One question and then I'll move it if nobody else has an issue with it. Who titles what goes on the ballot? You know, it says like measure whatever. Because I know down in LA they had the California Enforcement Taxation and Regulation Act which I really liked. Maybe that's why it passed with 80%. And it's been passed with 75% most of these places but Do we know how that works?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:30:32 · ≈ 4:30 PM

Chair and Supervisors, elections has a primary role and then your county council has an independent role of assuring that it's a neutral and non-argumentative either way title. Okay all right then

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:30:44 · ≈ 4:30 PM

I'll

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:30:44 · ≈ 4:30 PM

move...

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.827:30:50 · ≈ 4:30 PM

Thank you Mr. Chair and thank you Supervisor Lavanino I'm just wondering if we might say change this just a little bit law enforcement fire protection health care comma and then get rid of infrastructure people don't know what that is many people don't know what that is and I think parks and roads gets it

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:31:11 · ≈ 4:31 PM

So you would say? I'm going to protect you from Supervisor Adam right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed7:31:16 · ≈ 4:31 PM

All right, no. I understand that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.837:31:19 · ≈ 4:31 PM

I just think after the Montecito wipeout that people would assume that infrastructure means buildings and bridges and...

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.827:31:28 · ≈ 4:31 PM

Okay, let's say roads and bridges. Many people don't. I've polled

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:31:33 · ≈ 4:31 PM

this before. But roads and bridges is kind of what I guess it's... Not all of what the infrastructure, like the infrastructure we need right now is moving mud away out of debris basins for example. But Mr.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:31:49 · ≈ 4:31 PM

Gazzone? Chair and supervisors one question for you if you're removing the nine words about the ban in the question would you also be directing removal of that from the ordinance?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:32:01 · ≈ 4:32 PM

We would have to,

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:32:02 · ≈ 4:32 PM

right? So I'm just because of the things that you have to do Today the ordinance in order to count as the first reading we need clarity on that. We could actually I mean, I'm not suggesting Delaying this but on the language of the actual ballot question That would be coming back to you at a future meeting for any final words I think that you need to do but the critical point would be to make sure that What you're envisioning in that would actually match the ordinance. So I think in the draft ordinance at section 50A1A7 it currently has a cap drafted, in no event however shall any person conducting multiple operations listed above pay more tax than 8% of gross receipts and I think the proposal is to remove that cap language.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:32:48 · ≈ 4:32 PM

Can I get a motion to strike that cap language from 57A? Second There's a motion and a second. Question from Supervisor Wolfe or comment?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:33:01 · ≈ 4:33 PM

Just a question on this process, because are we getting something back from P&D on the ordinance, the final language?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:33:13 · ≈ 4:33 PM

Yes that's what they're working on right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:33:15 · ≈ 4:33 PM

So for me I'd like to see that before I vote on this.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:33:24 · ≈ 4:33 PM

Yeah, that's the intent. Can you at least vote to strike the language?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:33:32 · ≈ 4:33 PM

To change the language to this?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:33:34 · ≈ 4:33 PM

We're striking the CAP language. That's the key point. They have to incorporate that in the ordinance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:33:41 · ≈ 4:33 PM

So you need to explain that to me again.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction7:33:44 · ≈ 4:33 PM

So, today there's a short list of items that if you want this to go on the June ballot must occur for the first reading be complete. One of which would be to complete the first reading of the ordinance. The ordinance as presently drafted at section 50A1A7 includes a cap stating in no event however shall any person conducting multiple operations Listed above paying more tax than 8% of grocery seats. And I think that the discussion was about removing that cap in the ordinance and if that's a direction of the board, then we would need clarity today to say that you're moving among the other recommendations when you actually vote on it, that this is one of the items will be a clean strikethrough account as a first reading.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed7:34:26 · ≈ 4:34 PM

Okay, I got you. So that's one of the changes that we're going to see for the ordinance? Okay and yes, I'm fine with that if you want to take a

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role7:34:36 · ≈ 4:34 PM

vote. We've had a motion in a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstain One abstention 4-0-1 And then I see Ms. Black here, does that mean we're ready? Not ready yet. Okay then we'll take a five minute break. Full time out, five minute break.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed7:41:00 · ≈ 4:41 PM

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:18:25 · ≈ 5:18 PM

We're going to reconvene and the staff has a conceptual graphic to make sure that this is what we wanted. And we are going to verify or deny that this is what we wanted, then send them back to finish the drafting and in the meantime take up the tax vote if the conceptual motion is close enough. So can you put up that graphic? Can you move it? Or blow it up?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:19:16 · ≈ 5:19 PM

I just want to note for the record that we're now back to considering item number three.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:19:20 · ≈ 5:19 PM

Yes, we are back considering item number three. This is staff's understanding from the last motion and are we getting it right?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:19:32 · ≈ 5:19 PM

We have changes. Okay,

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:19:35 · ≈ 5:19 PM

so what? Why don't you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:19:38 · ≈ 5:19 PM

start? Box 2 is properties on Ag-2 adjacent to urban rural boundaries not residentially zoned properties.

CommentTina Funuki-Frontado I'veProposedself-stated8:19:49 · ≈ 5:19 PM

No,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:19:50 · ≈ 5:19 PM

okay. Correct? That's what we discussed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:19:56 · ≈ 5:19 PM

So Mr. Chair and Supervisor Labadino I think in Ag-2 Properties adjacent to existing developed rural neighborhoods and the urban-rural boundary line would require a CUP.

CommentTom Parker I'mProposedself-stated8:20:13 · ≈ 5:20 PM

Wait,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:20:14 · ≈ 5:20 PM

wait, wait. Properties in the agricultural two zone district that are adjacent meaning abutting either an EDRN or-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:20:24 · ≈ 5:20 PM

It's not the way I remember it. It was properties on Ag 2, I thought they had to be 1,000 feet from the premise to the residentially zoned area or it was anything abutting-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:20:39 · ≈ 5:20 PM

So it was Ag 1 no outdoor cultivation within 1500 foot setback from residential or sensitive receptors and then in Ag 2 it was abutting an EDRN or I was going to say that encompasses a lot more properties there. All right, beautiful.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:21:25 · ≈ 5:21 PM

And then- So then we've got

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:21:26 · ≈ 5:21 PM

the 600 foot setback

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:21:28 · ≈ 5:21 PM

for

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.828:21:28 · ≈ 5:21 PM

nurseries. I have a question. Nurseries could be outdoors, and let's see. I guess that's okay. What I was thinking is it would be to greenhouses just in general because that's odor control, but I guess nurseries is okay?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:21:47 · ≈ 5:21 PM

I think the intention at least Supervisor Lavinino stated intention was because nurseries are just growing the little plants not flowering plants. That would be 600 feet and 750 for everything else. So then on the retail, I don't believe you intended to take action on the cap today. I think what you wanted to do was give us direction to come back on March 13th with the intention of having a cap of eight retail establishments countywide with a maximum of two per district.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:22:20 · ≈ 5:22 PM

Thank you Ms. Buck. Can you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:22:23 · ≈ 5:22 PM

add

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:22:23 · ≈ 5:22 PM

that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:22:23 · ≈ 5:22 PM

last piece? We'll add it down below. We're going to delete that row and we'll add it down below. Okay. And then we have can you go back

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:22:37 · ≈ 5:22 PM

up Well, can you just leave it where it is and then just put in parentheses? Yeah. We'll add it. We'll add it But I like it. I like it where it says amend d point six point two So right there

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:22:52 · ≈ 5:22 PM

And we'll do that, just remember it was Mr. Gazzani who suggested to us to actual have that solidified on the March hearing instead of this one for-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:23:05 · ≈ 5:23 PM

Right and I think that's what it says down below that we're going to take care of that at the March hearing but right.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:23:15 · ≈ 5:23 PM

Okay, then the next piece is clarifying that in Ag 2 no odor control is required. Now just to be clear if it's adjacent, if it requires a conditional use permit then odor control may be required as part of the conditional use permit so that's why up above down there she says unless adjacent to residential.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:23:46 · ≈ 5:23 PM

But it would have to be, so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:23:51 · ≈ 5:23 PM

So if they're adjacent to, if they're in Ag 2 and they are adjacent to either an EDRN or the- Right,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:23:57 · ≈ 5:23 PM

so we're just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:23:58 · ≈ 5:23 PM

going to take that language and

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:23:59 · ≈ 5:23 PM

bring it down there, correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:24:01 · ≈ 5:24 PM

Yeah, we can say unless subject to a CUP. Why don't we just

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:24:04 · ≈ 5:24 PM

say-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:24:04 · ≈ 5:24 PM

Well, an urban rural boundary

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:24:06 · ≈ 5:24 PM

line

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:24:06 · ≈ 5:24 PM

or existing

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:24:06 · ≈ 5:24 PM

developed rural neighborhood, not just residential.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:24:10 · ≈ 5:24 PM

I think it's really unless it's subject to a CUP because then it ties those two together.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:24:17 · ≈ 5:24 PM

That's the cleanest way to do it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:24:18 · ≈ 5:24 PM

Then your board asks that we not apply the energy conservation plan until a year after the use had been established? So I

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:24:28 · ≈ 5:24 PM

think that... It's a little bit different than that, is that we used the first year as the baseline because some of them were not in operation when we put the baseline and you can't use less energy than zero.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:24:43 · ≈ 5:24 PM

So Mr. Chair and board members, I think what we think is the easiest way or the simplest way to address that is to have the licensing requirement address the energy conservation plan requirement in the second year. So delete it from the land use ordinance- Okay, I'm okay. Added to the licensing in the second year. All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:25:06 · ≈ 5:25 PM

right, I'll have to live with that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:25:08 · ≈ 5:25 PM

And then down below you can see the notes. The first one is that we consider the uniform rules amendments on March 13th, and so I think you'd want to take a separate motion to direct us to bring back that on March 13th. And to bring back a discussion on how to address the cap and dispersal of retail permits.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:25:32 · ≈ 5:25 PM

Mr Chair?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:25:34 · ≈ 5:25 PM

Supervisor Wolk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:25:35 · ≈ 5:25 PM

Thank you, I would just feel more comfortable Diane if it was stated somewhere on this piece of paper that our intention is not just per district but it actually says two per district.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:25:48 · ≈ 5:25 PM

We can certainly clarify that in your motion. Can you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:25:53 · ≈ 5:25 PM

clarify it on this piece of paper? Sure. Thank you. We will clarify it on this piece of paper.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:26:04 · ≈ 5:26 PM

Harvey. Okay, Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:26:07 · ≈ 5:26 PM

Hartman. And then wait, there was one last point and I don't know. I heard something different than my staff and maybe this is what you said. So the way the ordinance is drafted today it's only contingent upon the banking issue being resolved And what you heard from Mr. Gazzone is, you could and he advises that you also make it contingent on the tax passing. And I just wanted to make sure that the board understood that means we won't be processing or issuing permits until after the election in June.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:26:40 · ≈ 5:26 PM

So I did not know that when I said that, so I thought it was just based on the fact that the tax would pass and at 50%, obviously it's going to pass. So I would go back to changing the ordinance to reflect just whether or not we have a banking place that can take the money.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:27:03 · ≈ 5:27 PM

Supervisor, can I make a quick plea on why? Even if you wanted to tie it to the ballot measure passing that we issue permits even if they expire once. If the ballot measure fails and the reason is the sooner we can issue permits, the sooner we can enforce this regime. And people will get out of the non-conforming that's loosey goosey and I think it would be helpful to have these rules brought into motion in Carpinteria and it would just help us a lot in the enforcement regime.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:27:43 · ≈ 5:27 PM

Meet me in the middle. I've come a long way. Come on, come on. It feels so good to say yes.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:28:01 · ≈ 5:28 PM

So then people can move forward, there's no fees or anything for the license?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:28:08 · ≈ 5:28 PM

There would still be fees that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:28:10 · ≈ 5:28 PM

are

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:28:10 · ≈ 5:28 PM

inclusive of all the costs of enforcing on them. There just wouldn't be taxation until the ballot measure passes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:28:16 · ≈ 5:28 PM

That's what we're waiting, but we don't have any

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:28:18 · ≈ 5:28 PM

fee ordinance yet, right? Mr Chair and board members, no we do. We have a- So we're going to use the old one,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:28:26 · ≈ 5:28 PM

okay. All right, okay.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:28:30 · ≈ 5:28 PM

And then as you're updating the sheet for that, I'll just note that really the update is that the package that you've been provided is drafted. It's only operative if the county treasurer is able to open the account with a suitable financial institution. So really there is no update required if that's what you want to do. That's already how it's written.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:28:50 · ≈ 5:28 PM

Great

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:28:51 · ≈ 5:28 PM

so we can just strike through that.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:28:55 · ≈ 5:28 PM

Did have one other catch, I think. So in the first box should after residential we have the word zoning?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.828:29:07 · ≈ 5:29 PM

Residentially zoned.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:29:12 · ≈ 5:29 PM

We just changed that right?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.828:29:13 · ≈ 5:29 PM

We haven't changed it yet.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:29:18 · ≈ 5:29 PM

And I think it's the same thing in In the LUD section down there at the box, D7 probably the same thing. No because we changed that?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:29:31 · ≈ 5:29 PM

Okay got it. And Supervisors I think for all of these the goal is to give us kind of a 5,000 foot view here not the 10,000 foot view and then people downstairs are already drafting into the exact language that would be cut and pasted into the ordinance so this would actually count as your adoption today.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:29:48 · ≈ 5:29 PM

I had two other things sorry One was in the land use tables, change distribution. I think we have it as a CUP now but change that to an LUP and district- In Ag 1? Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed8:30:03 · ≈ 5:30 PM

Okay.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:30:06 · ≈ 5:30 PM

And then also in D1H we would also ban outdoor cultivation in Ag 15 and Ag 110.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:30:20 · ≈ 5:30 PM

So Mr. Chair and Supervisor Lavinino, just to be really clear so that our drafters get it. So instead of having the 20 acre, Ag 120 acre or less requirement that you grow indoors, you're suggesting now that it just be in? No. Yes? No?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:30:41 · ≈ 5:30 PM

I thought this was encompassing a couple more properties He's meaning to strengthen it, not weaken it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:30:49 · ≈ 5:30 PM

So do you want both? Do you want the 20 acre or less and in Ag 1 5 and 10 you can't do it? You can only do indoor growth?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:30:58 · ≈ 5:30 PM

It was a staff recommendation so I... Is that what you were looking for? From what I understood there were a couple of properties that we're still kind of not caught up in the under 20.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:31:12 · ≈ 5:31 PM

Yeah, the staff recommendation was parcel size. But if you want to also ensure that in ad-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:31:18 · ≈ 5:31 PM

I don't want to make it any tougher than it is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:31:21 · ≈ 5:31 PM

Okay. So do you want to change it to the zoning? You have to be on the record. So...

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:31:28 · ≈ 5:31 PM

I think it was a recommendation from Jessica. Is she still here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:31:31 · ≈ 5:31 PM

She's downstairs drafting.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:31:32 · ≈ 5:31 PM

Oh. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:31:35 · ≈ 5:31 PM

So it really just depends on what you want to capture. If you want to capture zone districts, then you would do the Ag 1-5 and 10 if you wanted-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:31:42 · ≈ 5:31 PM

It's a carpentry issue and it was a staff recommendation so I was just trying to do some clean up for them but I will let you guys-

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:31:49 · ≈ 5:31 PM

The larger of the

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:31:50 · ≈ 5:31 PM

two.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:31:55 · ≈ 5:31 PM

Yeah, zoned.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:31:57 · ≈ 5:31 PM

Do you want both? So only indoor cultivation on Ag 1 5 and Ag 1 10? And on parcels under 20 acres.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:32:05 · ≈ 5:32 PM

That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:32:06 · ≈ 5:32 PM

right, 20 acres or under. Okay got it.

CommentWinfred Van WingerdenProposedself-stated8:32:14 · ≈ 5:32 PM

What is the bottom?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:32:44 · ≈ 5:32 PM

So are we ready for a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:32:45 · ≈ 5:32 PM

Conceptual.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:32:46 · ≈ 5:32 PM

Conceptual motion and then we'll take up the tax, and then we'll come back with the actual drafted language.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:32:53 · ≈ 5:32 PM

All right so Mr. Gazzani do I need to read all of these or do we just say per the chart?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:33:00 · ≈ 5:33 PM

Chair and Supervisor Levin, just referencing the chart for this conceptual motion and then understanding that staff is going to make each of these blocks a little bit longer so it's the actual language that will be cut and pasted into the ordinances.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed8:33:11 · ≈ 5:33 PM

Okay.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:33:13 · ≈ 5:33 PM

Do we have to make all those other motions too I believe? For now it would be fine just to do the conceptual and bring it back and then we'll wrap it up. I will move the recommended actions that are before us on the chart.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:33:27 · ≈ 5:33 PM

Is there a

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:33:27 · ≈ 5:33 PM

second?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.828:33:29 · ≈ 5:33 PM

Second.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:33:30 · ≈ 5:33 PM

There's a motion and a second, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? One no. Now we will go back to D4 trailing D3s language for as quickly as staff can draft it D4 is the question. The two questions before us are general or special tax and unincorporated or countywide. Can I get a motion on direction on the tax?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:34:08 · ≈ 5:34 PM

I'll move the general tax, unincorporated only. And what was the other? side order I could get, what was it?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:34:24 · ≈ 5:34 PM

And so that would be good enough except you have to include A, B and that we would come back with the final draft of the ballot language.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:34:38 · ≈ 5:34 PM

Yeah, I think we also need to... Appoint two members. And then we also have to amend section 20 of the LUDC. There's some language in there that needs to be changed as well. I think we made that motion before we left. Did we? Yeah. That eliminated the cap. No, this isn't the cap.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed8:35:07 · ≈ 5:35 PM

Okay. Mr. Chair? That ordinance isn't the land use ordinance. It's the ordinance that Dennis is

CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction8:35:14 · ≈ 5:35 PM

processing. The tax ordinance. If you'd like chair I would be happy to help just real quick. Sure. Thank you Mr. Pazash. So I think what I sense that Supervisor Lavinino might be trying to do in a motion is to select option one, the general tax measure and that you'd be moving items A, B as amended, that would be the amended ballot language. C, D again as amended and then E making the appointment of member or members of the board to draft the argument in support of and we would just need to fill in the name of the members or member.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:35:55 · ≈ 5:35 PM

Then I'm going to generally agree with Mr. Bozonich and just for clarity on the option 1 part B, it's the introduction first reading of the ordinance of the board for the tax measure and we still need if you want to identify appointing the two members who will be drafting the argument in favor and that's part of what Mr. Bazonich was running down.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:36:20 · ≈ 5:36 PM

Are you ready to make a motion? Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.828:36:26 · ≈ 5:36 PM

I just wanted to add, perhaps the two supervisors who worked on the ad hoc would be good ones to draft the ballot language?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:36:38 · ≈ 5:36 PM

I would be happy to do that. Sure and part of the motion would be that Supervisor Williams and myself write the ballot argument in favor.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:36:54 · ≈ 5:36 PM

So my understanding is that you are moving A, B as amended, C, D, E with the two appointments that you just mentioned and F. Is that the motion?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:37:08 · ≈ 5:37 PM

That is. And Chair and Supervisors perhaps redundant but as amended I'm understanding to mean that at section 50A1-A7 deleting all words referring to the cap in that section.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:37:21 · ≈ 5:37 PM

Yes.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:37:21 · ≈ 5:37 PM

That's

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:37:21 · ≈ 5:37 PM

part of it. There is a motion and a second. May I make a comment? Of course, Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed8:37:31 · ≈ 5:37 PM

Adam. First of all the description that we're putting out here is just disingenuous. We're not going to be able to do all that stuff and I don't believe the way this is set up it's gonna generate the revenue that we were talking about earlier. Next the general tax doesn't guarantee how funds will be spent Recent history doesn't fill me with confidence. We just got bait and switched on the TOT tax.

As soon as that tax was passed, we banned STRs which cost about the same amount of money so I'm not going to be supporting. Supervisor Wolf?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed8:38:10 · ≈ 5:38 PM

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just some final comments. I didn't really expect that we were going to be at this point today so while we've thanked so many people, I want to just thank my colleagues because I think this has been a really difficult issue and we were really far apart and so I feel like I didn't get everything that I really wanted But there was a lot of good things that came from this and it wasn't just from this meeting, it was from the planning commission. And I want to do a shout out to Cecilia Brown my planning commissioner.

I think the changes that we did on the egg two for the urban limit line was really important. The planning commission changing the mixed use has always been something that's important. The extensive limitation of retail was so important to me for the health and safety of our community, so I'm very grateful for that. So I think, and then I never thought I would vote for a special tax. But I think that the general tax, sorry thank you.

But I'm feeling that, and I also didn't vote for the tax measure. I thought we should have taxed our industry more than we did. But all that being said, I do worry that we're not going to have the funds that we need for prevention and public health and mental health, and law enforcement from our other agencies. So that is a concern but again this is a time of compromise so anyway thank you all for patience in moving this forward.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:40:14 · ≈ 5:40 PM

We have a motion and second. Supervisor Lavinia?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:40:16 · ≈ 5:40 PM

Yeah, I just want to say I totally understand where Supervisor Adam is. I do feel like I still have the scar tissue from the TOT war. And so but I look at the general tax as I don't think we spelled anything out there that isn't that we don't do on a regular basis in the general fund. So you know to say that money's not going to go to law enforcement or it's not gonna go to fire protection I believe it will And I was confident we could have got a special tax, two-thirds vote anyway. But I'm glad that we got four that will ensure that we can tax the industry. As Supervisor Williams said, I'm not sure there's anybody out there that doesn't want to tax this industry and make sure that it fills The needs that it's creating, so I appreciate the fourth vote.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:41:15 · ≈ 5:41 PM

And I for my part want to say that one of the best parts about today is the fact that so many of us were able to draw together on so much. And I know people, very different people, as much as it's hard to create a law that's for a whole county that's so different. And for different needs, I feel like the growers that are trying to be upstanding citizens. And then neighbors that have concerns and want to have fewer impacts are also drawing closer on their understandings and on how to deal with some of those things.

But the other thing is if there's also more cooperation between those two parties. I think a lot of the things can be ameliorated by a little bit of vigilance, but that vigilance would be a lot more powerful if some of the growers and some of the neighborhood advocates were working together on how to ameliorate that. And so that's my other hope to come out of this effort, because the weird thing is.

If you're a neighbor that wants to have less impacts, or if you're a grower that doesn't want some shady operation to have a competitive advantage on you. That's not paying taxes. You both have an interest on having greater levels of enforcement. So let's make that common ground bear more fruit and I think Years from now, we may actually look at this and go God that's the only way that we were able to actually save the efficacy of public safety in this community.

Because in a couple weeks, we're going to look at the bill for the slide and we're going to be looking at our deficit and How could we even dispatch enough deputy sheriffs to evacuate places again? How could we do these other basic questions a second time if it happened again. And as much as I agree that usually you don't want to have your land use decisions be fiscalized, that will be a benefit that will be tangible to the community.

There's a motion and a second. The staff understands the motion, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? That's 4-1.

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CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:44:05 · ≈ 5:44 PM

Chair Williams, in talking with Diane Black my understanding is that it would probably be best to plan on the writings returning sometime at or shortly after 6-15 but I could report out from closed session at this point. Thank you. As a consolation? Please don't take

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:44:24 · ≈ 5:44 PM

half an hour doing

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:44:24 · ≈ 5:44 PM

that. I can only fill a minute. So today in closed session, you had one conference with legal counsel concerning the case of Beverage versus City of Goleta, two cases of anticipated litigation, conference with real property negotiators concerning submerged lands off Carpinteria from platforms Hogan and Hootchin. And conference of labor negotiators for all bargaining units, unrepresented employees, managers and executives. There are no reportable actions. And again I would recommend just planning on being back if you don't mind at about 615.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:44:59 · ≈ 5:44 PM

They have to draft the actual language.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction8:45:09 · ≈ 5:45 PM

Now, that was the guide for what we need for this to actually count as the adoption is the actual language to cut and paste in there.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:45:19 · ≈ 5:45 PM

So it's essentially to meet the legal requirement for first reading. Why don't we do this? If we are ready earlier, we will convene earlier.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.838:45:35 · ≈ 5:45 PM

If Peter doesn't want to stay, he doesn't have to stay. It's not like we need five to do it. No I'm just saying right? I mean if you want to go, you

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:45:45 · ≈ 5:45 PM

can go. Well three of us at least three of us need to stay so. I'll stay. Okay thank you. Okay well we have four of us staying okay

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 49Proposed8:46:01 · ≈ 5:46 PM

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.839:39:21 · ≈ 6:39 PM

Did you guys get your homework done?

CommentPeter ImhoffProposed · by introduction9:39:47 · ≈ 6:39 PM

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CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction9:41:28 · ≈ 6:41 PM

Yeah, I guess I was looking at this. You're right, you're right, yeah.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role9:55:37 · ≈ 6:55 PM

We are reconvening. We are back once again for D3. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 52Proposed9:55:45 · ≈ 6:55 PM

right, Chair Williams members of the board we have a motion that is reflected in the ordinances that are now before you. The changes that the motion makes are shown in yellow in those ordinances and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed9:56:08 · ≈ 6:56 PM

Okay. I think it's shaded.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 52Proposed9:56:16 · ≈ 6:56 PM

And we can bring up any section here. It is, it's shaded in our copy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed9:56:37 · ≈ 6:56 PM

So Chair Williams, if I may. I think the easiest way to do this would be to start with a cannabis land use ordinance on page 34. This is really where the changes that have happened start to occur. When everyone's on that page please let me know and I'm also going to show it which is shaded on the screen in front of us as well. All right, so we're just going to scroll down until we see that magic yellow change.

So our first change comes to the land use tables. As you remember your recommendation was to change the buffer for cannabis operations to be 750 feet except for nurseries and so- Of course. We're good? All right, no problem. And so you'll notice that the footnotes have changed to delineate the new buffers and we also changed the property line to say premise per your direction.

Previous standard for volatile manufacturing from 1,200. So now it's in the 750 buffer up here and then nurseries we changed to be that 600 foot buffer with the premise again. And then finally for this land use table that's only on AG1 and Outdoor cultivation on lots adjacent to existing developed rural neighborhoods and or urban rural boundaries. So also require the approval of a conditional use permit.

So moving on, the next changes are all similar to what I just referred to changing that 1,000 foot buffer to 750 on each of the footnotes of the tables. And then if you stop on page 40, we also had a deletion of that volatile manufacturing because it's no longer different than the other cannabis operations. And then the final table has that same change of buffer difference.

The next change is on page 42 of the amended land use development code. And this is the deletion of the energy conservation plan, which we anticipate putting into the licensing scheme that Dennis is going to be presenting to you in March. The next change is to the odor abatement plan. We added that no odor, I'm sorry page 45 we added that no odor abatement plans shall be required for AG 2 zoning unless a CUP is also required.

The next change is on page 47, and this is in regards to cultivation on AG-1 lots. So on AG-1 lots 20 acres or less, or lots zoned AG-15, or lots zoned AG-110 outdoor cannabis cultivation including cultivation within hoop structures is prohibited. And so that language is reflected here. And then the next change is on page 49, and this is in regards to two new standards for ag. On lot zoned ag one, outdoor cultivation shall not be located within 1,500 feet of residential zones and or schools providing instruction to kindergarten or any grades one through 12 daycares or youth centers.

We also added the standard that outdoor cultivation on lot zoned AG2 adjacent to existing developed rural neighborhoods and or urban boundaries shall require the approval of a conditional use permit. That was something that was also in the footnotes of the table, but we feel that sometimes the footnotes get lost and so we like to also include it in the larger standards as well.

And then the final addition to the Land Use Development Code was the addition of a definition for premise. It was not defined before, so changing how that distance was measured required a definition for premise. So it's the designated structure or structures and land specified in the state application that is owned, leased, or otherwise held under the control of the applicant Where the commercial cannabis activities will be or are considered to be conducted.

The premise shall be contiguous area and shall only be occupied by one state license. This definition is basically lifted from the most recent state regs, so it matches that. And that concludes the changes to the land use development code.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:02:52 · ≈ 7:02 PM

Are there any questions from those left still standing? Supervisor Wolk.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:03:03 · ≈ 7:03 PM

Can you just, I'm sorry the whole issue of premise again what page was that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:03:14 · ≈ 7:03 PM

So the definition of premise is in the definitions, which is towards the end of your page 52. But it refers to the footnote in the land use tables, which delineates how we are going to be measuring the setback. So that 750-foot setback will be measured from the cannabis premise to the property line of the sensitive receptor. And that was the direction that we were given.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:03:45 · ≈ 7:03 PM

And that's correct. That's how it used to read and we receive the direction

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:03:50 · ≈ 7:03 PM

to change that property line to premise.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:04:17 · ≈ 7:04 PM

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:04:22 · ≈ 7:04 PM

Any additional questions or should I continue on to the coastal

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:04:25 · ≈ 7:04 PM

zoning? Please. Yeah, I still have a question. Okay. So if the premise is where the cannabis is being cultivated, where do you measure... How do you determine where you're going to measure from if it's not property line-to-property line?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:04:44 · ≈ 7:04 PM

Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Wolfe, so you will determine it by where the state license line for that premise license is delineated. So that'll be on the plans that they submit for the cannabis cultivation activity- But don't we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:05:02 · ≈ 7:05 PM

issue a license or permit before the state does?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:05:06 · ≈ 7:05 PM

Supervisor Williams, Supervisor Wolfe. What we have anticipated our process being is land use permit first, then county license maybe running parallel with the state license.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:05:22 · ≈ 7:05 PM

So I mean, Mr. Gazant, can someone help me with this? Because what if the state says something different than we do after we've already issued a permit or a license?

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction10:05:36 · ≈ 7:05 PM

So this is the portion that we talked about earlier. I thought probably the simplest way was a pipe with three valves on it, so in order to actually grow or do the activity you would need all three of the county permit, the county business license if that's adopted by the board later as well as the relevant state license and if the state doesn't issue a license or you don't get your county business license even if you got the county land use authority you're not cultivating?

So you need to be up on all three of those.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:06:08 · ≈ 7:06 PM

I understand, but how is the county going to determine it? You're just gonna depend on the state, is that what we do?

CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction10:06:20 · ≈ 7:06 PM

Chair and Supervisor Wolk, maybe to help you. So the applicant is the one that determines the premise with their license application to the state. We could and we should in this situation request that premise map from the applicant. And then we would make sure that was matched between what they provided for us in this permit process that was just described. That it matched exactly what they provided to the state.

And so that, it's something they're going to have to work on and develop anyway for their state licensing. And now it would be part of our local permit package that they would have to submit for that process, for the land use permit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:07:03 · ≈ 7:07 PM

Okay, well I'll just say I'm not pleased with this. Aside from lowering the distance now we're changing, I guess I missed that because this seems really important and really unfortunate because when you say boundary line to boundary line that's very specific. And everyone knows the rules to figure out where the premise starts with a map. Is it in the middle of that or is it at the far end of their premises?

CommentGabby EdwardsProposed · by introduction10:07:35 · ≈ 7:07 PM

Chair, I think the way I've seen those and Supervisor Wolf, the way I've seen the premise maps developed is they are required to be scaled. Architectural drawings that are rendering of the parcel and where exactly on the parcel, that particular premise which as staff also mentioned is tied to a specific license number. Where that premise is on the entire parcel it's got to be basically a scale drawing that's done with clear dimensions.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:08:04 · ≈ 7:08 PM

And is that for the sensitive receptor?

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:08:10 · ≈ 7:08 PM

It's to the property line of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:08:11 · ≈ 7:08 PM

the

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:08:11 · ≈ 7:08 PM

sensitive roof.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:08:12 · ≈ 7:08 PM

Correct, yeah. You know this is going to be fine but I really feel like and I'm not sure people understood that because distance and odors was such a big deal that the fact that we're not only changing the 750 But now we're changing how we measure it, is really unfortunate. But boy I'm not about to change anything now because I think it's mostly going to impact folks where there are opportunities for additional cultivation on the small parcels.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:08:59 · ≈ 7:08 PM

I understand though that is probably also why it's so important that we're expanding the buffer for operations that don't have outer control to 1,500.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 47Proposed10:09:15 · ≈ 7:09 PM

Chair Williams members of the board really quick before we move on to the coastal zoning ordinance amendments I do want to make one correction that was not reflected in the revised ordinance amendments that we just provided to you if you go to page 40 It is footnote two. When we were making the edits during the break, for footnote two it's supposed to indicate a 750-foot buffer. We forgot to do strike through on the 1,000 feet which was in the original text so if you have any questions about that I'd be more than happy to answer them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed10:09:56 · ≈ 7:09 PM

Please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:09:58 · ≈ 7:09 PM

All right, seeing no other questions on the Land Use Development Code we will proceed to the Coastal Zoning Ordinance. For the most part you are going to find these very familiar just in a different order as to the different way the coastal zoning ordinance is laid out. So the coastal zoning ordinance starts with definitions so we will start with the addition of premise which matches the last premise definition that I read The designated structures and land use specified in the state application that is owned, leased or otherwise held under the control of the applicant where the commercial cannabis activity will be conducted. The premise shall be contiguous area and shall only be subject to one state license.

Stop on page five? Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 47Proposed10:10:49 · ≈ 7:10 PM

Yeah, Chair Williams there's one addition too that's not reflected in the packet. This is on page five and it's this amended section 35-68.3 we also need to add a new subsection 15 which would read as cannabis comma distribution comma subject to the provisions of section 35-144U

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed10:11:18 · ≈ 7:11 PM

And so that is the provision to make distribution allowed through a coastal development permit. And I'm kind of going to fly by everything else because there's not a lot up there. So once again, we come to land use tables which are similar to the ones in the LUDC except they're Less zoning districts in the CZO, so not as plentiful. So we have these same footnotes changing this buffer from 1,000 to 750 and changing the property line to premise.

We also have the same footnotes allowing cultivation shall not be allowed within 1,500 feet of residential or school. And outdoor cultivation on lots adjacent to EDRNs and our urban boundaries require a conditional use permit. And then the nursery buffer once again being 600 feet. Moving on to page 20, we once again have the deletion of the energy conservation plan.

On page 23, we have an addition that no to odor abatement plan is required on lots AG-2 unless a CUP is required. On page 25, we have lot zoned AG-15 and AG-110 are also included in the outdoor cannabis cultivation prohibition including hoops. And then on page 27, we have those same footnotes that were in the table once again carried over here for consistency and ease to the customer.

And that will conclude the changes to the coastal zoning ordinance that we were directed to bring back to you. So with that, I'll bring the motion back up. And of course we are here with any additional questions that you may have. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:13:36 · ≈ 7:13 PM

Supervisor Wolf.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:13:37 · ≈ 7:13 PM

OK thank you. So just confirming the other issue on the retails coming back as we had did we take a motion? We did.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed10:13:50 · ≈ 7:13 PM

So Mr. Chair and supervisors Essentially, if you go to the top of the page. What we're recommending is that you make the motion that was included in the January 31st 2018 memo as revised by the changes today. That's not the right one. Is it? No. One moment please. We have a technical difficulty Okay, so here's the revision. So you would be moving the recommendations included in the January 31st 2018 memo that we transmitted to you that reflected the Planning Commission recommendations with the changes that we just reviewed to the two ordinances.

We're recommending that you remove recommendation B4 from the motion because that's the action on uniform rules. That you delete section 4 and the findings for the same reason. That's the uniform rules And then obviously amend recommended actions on B1 and B2. Those are the two ordinances, the Land Use and Development Code in the Coastal Zoning Ordinance to reflect the changes that we just walked through. This table just summarizes those. And then go to the bottom. And then we recommend that you can do it in a separate motion or in the same motion that you direct us to return on March 13th 2018 for consideration of the uniform rules amendments And for consideration of capping retail permits to eight with a maximum of two per district.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:15:43 · ≈ 7:15 PM

Can we get that in one motion just because I think that is the preference supervisor will-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:15:48 · ≈ 7:15 PM

Yeah, and can we also get a copy of that too? Yes.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction10:15:53 · ≈ 7:15 PM

And for the public, the changes that you've been going through are available online and also in the back of the room.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed10:16:00 · ≈ 7:16 PM

I handed them to people.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:16:01 · ≈ 7:16 PM

So is there somewhere in there that we talked about the premise change? It's in the third

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 52Proposed10:16:10 · ≈ 7:16 PM

box down. It's right here, okay thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed10:16:17 · ≈ 7:16 PM

But what's more important is you're adopting the actual language we just walked through?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed10:16:20 · ≈ 7:16 PM

Yes thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 48Proposed10:16:24 · ≈ 7:16 PM

So that's our recommendation.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8310:16:25 · ≈ 7:16 PM

Supervisor Lavinia. Thank You Mr. Chair well this is your hour. Where's the spotlight? So can we just adopt this, we don't have to read the entire thing. I will move staff recommendations that are listed on our overhead projection.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8210:16:46 · ≈ 7:16 PM

I would second.

CommentYvonne Van WingerdenProposed · by introduction10:16:49 · ≈ 7:16 PM

All and just before the vote and I understand that to include the two verbal changes that Mr. Klayman made as to the coastal zoning ordinance. Correct.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:17:02 · ≈ 7:17 PM

Any more questions? We're ready. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8310:17:11 · ≈ 7:17 PM

Thank you to staff. This was heroic.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:17:42 · ≈ 7:17 PM

I'll adjourn this meeting to February 13th. ¶. ¶. Music