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Okay we're going to call this meeting to order. We're going to do something a little unorthodox today, we have to move around a couple items. We were planning on taking D1 first but there's some folks here for public comment and for retirement so we're gonna try to whip through that. So we're gonna take two public comments People who have public comment can either opt to go right now for two minutes or after these items which will be probably an hour, hour and a half from now for three minutes. And then we're going to do the retirement and then we will take up D1. So public comment for oh, we need to do roll.
Ms. Hartman?
Here at a publicly noticed meeting site in Washington, D.C..
Mr. Adam.
Look at all those people
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Mr. Labadino. Ms. Wolf here. Mr. Williams
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Public comment for items not on the agenda.
Chair Williams, members of the board. We have five requests to speak and we're going to start with I believe Marcy Wimbaugh and then Nancy Sheldon. Marcy?
And the countdown's right up there.
Oh okay. We are here to request that you reevaluate the decision to defund the school resource officer at San Marcos High School. Just this week, an SRO prevented a school shooting in LA. This is just one example but we do not know how many shootings have been prevented because an effective SRO was on campus. San Marcos High School has over 2200 people on campus every day. It is an extremely complicated operation. The school will be calling 911 and law enforcement will be coming to campus on a regular basis and in a purely reactionary role. This is not good for our students. We need an officer dedicated to our community.
So, we must hire the right person. They need continual training and implicit bias in a non-violent deescalation and intervention strategies so they can be the most effective at their jobs. And SROs is there to create a better relationship between law enforcement and the children at the school including minorities and low income families. We want to support all the families of those that are most at risk. The number one goal of an SRO should be prevention, to work with students and be a resource for them.
Children can go to them if they see anything, and they can go to the kids if they see questionable behavior. A good SRO creates a relationship with its students and gains their trust. Students then become more comfortable coming to them and talking about possible problems. It gives the SRO the ability to step in before something bad happens, not after. We want to stop risky behavior. They also act as a deterrent. There are a number of physical fights on campus that are happening every day and vaping on school campuses is rampant. I believe kids will think twice about engaging in risky behavior if there's an SRO on campus.
Discipline is also an element, though less important than the other two. Some say SROs create a pipeline to prison. I say let's break that pipeline. Help an at risk student before they commit serious crimes. Work with them once you know they lean towards risky behavior. Work with the parents and the school to discipline with empathy and compassion. They are kids.
And students do dumb things. And it's also for safety and prevention, they can help staff plan and implement safety drills. They can investigate when there's a problem like we saw recently with the boys in the chat rooms at San Marcos High School. And they could be a line of defense if somebody wants to do something violent on campus. I encourage you to interview your principals, your staff, your students and the SROs at local high schools. Please take a look at the local data to make a determination and work with the school board to find a solution for this.
I have here a petition with over 1200 names on it of families who are interested in this issue and I'd like to submit it to you here today. Thank you for your time.
Thank you and thank you for your alacrity that was great.
Mr. Williams, if I could make a- Yes. Not necessarily comment to the speakers but to my colleagues just so that you know that my office has been in communication with many of the parents, the school district, the sheriff's department following the incident at San Marcos and we've been working with the superintendent's office to set up a meeting between the district, the sheriff's department, my office and Ms. Miyasato has offered to be there as well.
And we've shared examples of other agreements that the county has with, for instance, Lompoc School District. So anyway, we look forward to working with the school district and following up on this important issue. And I thank them for our parents for coming and I thank you for allowing them to speak early.
Christine Cooper? For
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public comment. Then we're going to go with Ed Kolaski. Following Ed, we have
Keira Redmond. One of my neighbors suggested this that I should call the second district the Democratic Republic of Santa Barbara. There have been so many violations of California law and federal law that it's ridiculous. I listed five or six of them here. We had an old design up there, we went to four meetings, we had a five-to-two vote in our favor. We came into the fifth meeting, they requested that we expand our garage so it's over the dining room, the kitchen, and part of the living room. We did that. We came in, we sat down. They kicked us out, we didn't get a chance to say a single word. They had Dylan there jumping up and screaming at us side loading, side loading which means that your second story is solely over the garage.
There's so much to say. Anyways they wrote a report 64 pages, right here. 64 pages on our second story being located solely over the garage when indeed it is not solely over the garage and I've been appealing this for the last four years. We went to appeal for a PC. There were five members. Four didn't understand how that is solely over the garage and didn't even want to talk about it. And we came here before the supervisors. They didn't understand, what does that mean? That that's solely over the garage when it's not solely over the garage. We got 64 pages of that garbage. We had 15 minutes of Dylan Ryan speaking on it.
Four other members never even saw the drawings. Our architect came in, sat down, they kicked us out! Thank you, I'll be back with a lot more. You know they have a unique procedure and I was just there, Once they start talking, you have no right to say anything. Now they want us to do setbacks. They did that before. They approved it. It wasn't a problem. They wanted us to change the streetscape. They designed the streetscape! They voted 7-0 for the streetscape and then they kicked us out.
Thank you Mr. Glaske.
Kara Redmond and then we're going to go to Senator for Linda Enns who's our final speaker.
Good morning, Chair, Supervisors. Kira Redman with Santa Barbara Channel Keeper. Channel Keeper has been following closely the commendable work being done by County Flood Control and other agencies to clear mud and debris left by the devastating debris flows of January 9th. We're completely supportive and understanding of the pressing need to do so to protect public safety and property. However, it has been difficult to obtain information about certain details including specifically what storm water pollution prevention measures are being put in place at the various disposal sites. What the longer term plans are for the remaining debris that has yet to be cleared as well as that which has been moved to various purportedly temporary locations and what the longer term plans are to revisit and restore creek channels which have been substantially altered by flood control activities.
Following the disaster, the community looked to Channel Keeper for answers to these and other questions. We were inundated with questions about water quality, the contents of the mud being deposited on the beach, and the status of the county's search for alternative disposal locations. Eventually through our own sampling efforts and by tracking down lab reports submitted by the county to regulatory agencies we were able to provide some answers but we were disappointed that some of this information was not offered openly by the county.
I was pleased to read in one of your staff's recent updates to this board that they are currently evaluating mitigations taken during the life safety phase. To ensure they align with environmental safeguards, best practices and regulations. We will continue to ensure that our operations are in alignment with our community and environment. Channel Keeper is eager to learn more about how specifically the county is doing so. And I'm here to highlight the need for an importance of transparency moving forward. We ask that Channel Keeper and others in the environmental community be included in this conversation. So we can help identify priority concerns and provide assistance as well as pass along accurate and timely information to our concerned constituents.
Channel Keeper has some expertise on the subject matter, and we'd be more than happy to provide our input and assistance as appropriate. We commend the county and responders for the work they've done to protect life and property following the tragic debris flows. Yet we are concerned about the status of plans to minimize future environmental impacts that may arise the next time there is rain or flooding, and we respectfully ask the county to enhance its communication with the environmental community and the public so that these matters can be addressed in a more transparent and inclusive manner moving forward. Thank you.
We're going to go to Senator for Linda Ence as our final speaker under public comment.
Dear Supervisors, I'd like to bring to your attention that Tri-County's Regional Center is currently under investigation for abuse of my son William Ente. Complaints to the Department of Developmental Services allege that William has been subject The false imprisonment having been denied phone calls and visitations since 2010. Under California law, preventing a dependent adult from receiving visitors or phone calls constitutes isolation which is a form of abuse. The director of Tri-Counties Regional Center Dr Omar Noorzad responded that he isolated William under the direction of the conservator William's father Dr Philip Enty, Lomfolk neurologist. Documents prove that William's stepmother Angela Enty also participated in isolating William.
In a 2010 court investigator Reported that it was recommended by Angela, Auntie William's stepmother to place William in a level four group home for severely autistic adults. This placement was in complete violation of our divorce agreement. On one awful visit to the home I witnessed the client escape from the home. He was covered in feces and neighbors helped capture him and hosed him off in the garden. It was horrendous to witness. I called the supervisor to relay what I had observed. She replied to me don't call unless it's an emergency William was privy to the phone conversation and replied, this is an emergency. I need to get the fuck out of here.
Hopefully one day my son will be free. Thank you.
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We're going to go back to Santa Maria for one minute to hear from Christine Cooper and that's our final speaker. Ms. Cooper?
Good morning Board of Supervisors, my name is Christine Cooper I'm from Covey Advocates and I have a 30 year career history working with family services for elderly disabled and children. I'm here to talk about the public defenders lack of representation of clients Many people have come forward. I'm particularly working with William Entie, and I'm going to read just my brief statements here. There is a history here in this case and many other cases. This is just a case that gives an ideal situation showing what is long-term going on in the public defender's office that needs our attention so that we can better serve the most needy people in the system. I'll start here.
In a report from the investigator in August 2012, William stated his desire to be at the next review hearing. We see no record of the public attorney taking action on William's behalf. When pressed further without attendance of this attorney he was asked about specific areas of petition to which he disagreed. William replied he would have his mother declared conservator. Further statement by the investigator states that William was unable to articulate a coherent alternative plan in the proposed endeavor to live alone. William was not afforded an ADA facilitator to discuss programs and processes to assist him in formulating such a plan, and was denied the opportunity to engage in such a plan. William was not contacted by his attorney to arrange for an ADA facilitator.
Neither his conservator nor his public defender provided the information necessary to plan, and then committed him to a conservatorship he did not have planned. In all fairness, few 18-year-olds are able to create lifelines without parental guidance. William attained voter status and held a job. His request fell on deaf ears and the conservatorship continued and William continues to be subdued to this day.
In 2014, William stated personally I'd like to make my own decisions. He summated his opinion by stating, I'm okay with them taking care of certain things in my life but not so much with everything I do or with whom I hang with.
Thank you ma'am.
Pardon me? Thanks.
That concludes public comment
We will take up A39 I'll make a motion to move 839. Is there a second? All those in favor, oh we need roll call.
Ms. Hartman?
Aye
Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Labonino? Aye Ms. Wolfe? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 5-0 Item 839 is our only resolution to be presented today, and it's sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. And this is a resolution of commendation honoring Bob Clark on his retirement from the General Services Department after over 39 years of exemplary service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County. And if Bob could come up to the podium, I will go ahead and read the resolution into the record.
Whereas Bob Clark started his career with the County of Santa Barbara in 1979, he was a building maintenance worker with the Public Works Department. Facilities Maintenance was transitioned to General Services and Bob was promoted to Maintenance Supervisor in 1995. Due to Bob's hard work, dedication, extraordinary customer service skills, Bob was once again promoted to Facilities Project Team Leader in 2013.
And whereas over the years, Bob worked on many exciting projects not typical of building maintenance work. Such as the Queen of England's visit to Santa Barbara County in 1983 and also installing security fencing at the Santa Maria Courthouse for the Michael Jackson trial in 2005. And whereas Bob's job knowledge, skills and experience have contributed greatly to the overall professionalism and success of the General Services Department.
And whereas Bob is committed for his faithful and devoted services to the county community, his gentle quiet and pleasant demeanor will be greatly missed by as many friends associates throughout the county. Now therefore hereby order and resolve that this Board of Supervisors honors and commends Bob Clark for 39 years of exemplary service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County and the employees in the General Services Department pass and adopted today.
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Good morning Supervisors, thank you very much for this honor. It's been a privilege to work for the County of Santa Barbara over these years I've seen a lot of different boards come and go and actually I worked with your dad when he was here back when he was a supervisor's assistant for Harold Fletcher so I just want to acknowledge our facility staff north and south they do a great job I thank them for all the hard work they do they keep our buildings Running daily.
I'd also like to acknowledge and thank our director, Jeanette Pell. She's been real supportive in helping us out through difficult times of financial difficulties. Also like to thank my immediate boss, Scott Hoskin. He's been a great guy to work with. I appreciate everything that he has done for me and his leadership. So thank you very much.
On behalf of Jeanette Pell, she's unfortunately out sick today with the flu. I take honor in presenting this award to Bob Clark. I've had the honor of working with him for over 30 years and have seen him grow, myself grow, and the county grow. Bob will be missed. He is just a wealth of knowledge on everything that has something to do with the county and even outside the county and how things work.
He originally started here at the courthouse And worked many, many years until we actually moved him up to manage the North County. And he's been a big part of this North County jail being at meetings and getting ready for the transfer to the maintenance department so Bob will be missed and he leaves a legacy behind him. And Bob thank you very much for your, he actually has worked with the county for 42 years there was a little extra help in there that doesn't really count but thank you Bob.
And then anybody that wants to join us we're doing a little reception down in the first floor of the admin building for about a half an hour.
Great I hope you will enjoy that and Bob will be there in spirit but we're not gonna let any supervisors go because we got to do this next item so I hope you will forgive us for that. D1
Chair Williams and members of the board, we're going to go to item departmental one. This is for planning and development. It's a hearing to reconsider recommendations regarding case number 17 ORD4 and 17 ORD10 which the board adopted on February 6th 2018 to amend respectively the county land use and development code and the article two coastal zoning ordinance to establish regulations for cannabis.
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Good morning, Chair Williams and supervisors. On February 6th we presented the cannabis land use ordinances to your board. The ordinances amended the Land Use and Development Code, the Coastal Zoning Ordinance, and the Montecito Land Use and Development Code. Your board adopted these amendments with certain changes. One of these changes was to specify that cultivation on properties zoned AG-2 and located adjacent to the urban rural boundary lines or an existing developed rural neighborhood, or EDRN require the approval of a conditional use permit.
The other was, remove the requirements for odor abatement plans for the cultivation of cannabis on properties zoned Ag 2 unless cannabis cultivation requires the approval of a conditional use permit. Although these changes were part of the direction, the actual ordinance language stated that these standards would apply to outdoor cultivation. The addition of the word outdoor would create a situation where odor abatement plans and standards would not be required for mixed light or indoor cultivation, which was not the intent of the board's direction.
So we are here today to ask you to make the recommendations, to amend the findings for the cannabis land use ordinances including the CEQA findings. To adopt the changes to remove the word outdoor to the Land Use Development Code and the Coastal Zoning Ordinance. And to determine that these changes to the land use development code are covered by the previously certified EIR and the changes to the coastal zoning ordinance are exempt from CEQA. And to adopt a resolution transmitting these new amended changes to the Coastal Commission, and we're here to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you very much.
Questions from the board? And we'll take public speakers.
We still have a couple of slips coming in, but we have approximately 14 speakers. So we'll put that at two
minutes.
Okay, we're going to start in Santa Maria with Dave Clary to be followed by Lil Clary. So if you could go to Santa Maria please?
Good morning, and thank you. My name is Dave Clary. My wife and I have been residents of Tippis Gate Canyon for 21 years, and I'm speaking to one narrow issue, a missing footnote. There is a chart on page 36 of the proposed LUDC listed as attachment 2B for today's meeting. The chart sets forth the permit requirements for Ag 1 and Ag 2 parcels. Under Ag 1, cannabis cultivation and cannabis nursery permits are subject to the conditions set forth in footnote 3 to that chart. Footnote 3 specifies that the parcels within an existing developed rural neighborhood such as a large part of Tepeskaya Canyon will require a major conditional use permit if they are within an EDRN or the sole means of access to and from the parcel is through an EDRN.
However, looking at the next column in the chart that sets forth the conditions for permits for AG-II parcels, footnote 3 setting forth the CUP requirement as described is not listed. So if a grower has an AG-II parcel whose sole access is through Tepiscay Canyon Road, that person will not be subject to the CUP requirement. We feel that this will trigger a mad race on the part of the growers to lease or buy, or otherwise obtain right-to-grow on Ag-2 parcels that are for the most part beyond the EDRN but will still use Hibiscus Canyon Road for ingress and egress thus avoiding the CUP requirement and contributing to the severe traffic problem in the canyon.
This oversight is not cured by the adjacent to an EDRN language sought by Supervisor Wolf when applied to AG 2 parcels and listed in footnote 6. As that is too limited, we need it to apply to parcels whose sole access is through the EDRN. Please resolve this issue by restoring the missing footnote 3 to Ag 2 Parcels as well as Ag 1. At least one supervisor has expressed to us that his understanding of the intent of the board was that the language of Footnote 3 was to apply to both Ag 1 and Ag 2 parcels. I have submitted a more detailed note in the written public comments together with the cited pages from the proposed LUDC. Thank you.
Next speaker is Lil Clary, to be followed by Andy Caldwell.
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Good morning. My name is Lil Clary and I'm representing the Tepeskay Canyon Crisis Committee once again. You're probably rolling your eyes and wondering when we will go away, and I can understand that! You've approved language requiring a cup for Ag 1 in or access through an EDRN. And you'd think that would be sufficient. In any other EDRN, you would be right.
But Tepeskay—and I know you've heard this before—is different There is one roadway used to access the entire region. There are no alternate routes, and that roadway is barely 1.5 lanes wide for most of its length. This means that the cannabis traffic is concentrated and creates impacts that are intolerable whether for fuel and water tankers making multiple daily trips or grower employees hauling cannabis plants in rental trucks or in the beds of pickups clearly visible to residents.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but the moratorium is still in effect, is it not? So why are we continuing to see plants delivered prior to the new ordinance which does state that cannabis activities are not allowed until licenses and permits are granted. My husband detailed a proposal the Canyon residents are making regarding expansion to Ag 2 dot adjacent and it's also covered in my written submission But here's why we aren't going away after nearly a year of fighting to protect our neighborhood. We want this done right the first time. We have the backing of over 100 of our Canyon families.
We're not out-of-state corporations with names like Phoenix Investments and Highland Hilltop Farms, or as I found by reading the public comment letters last night, United Property Solutions. And heaven help the folk in the West Muleton EDRN when they discover who their new neighbors are. We are long-term property owners with a commitment to our environment. And as I've noted before, we refuse to be collateral damage. We live in a beautiful region and consider it our home not junk land to be exploited. Thank you.
Mr. Caldwell and then we'll hear from Linda Tunnel in Santa Maria.
Chair Williams, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. We're really truly concerned about the standards that you're applying to agriculture including archaeological surveys and all these other things. We don't believe that digging a hole to put a cannabis plant in the ground is any different for lettuce or broccoli or grapes And there should not be a different standard. Secondly, putting an auger in the ground to put a hoop structure or to put a greenhouse wall up isn't any different for cannabis than any other crop.
And I know that what you're going to say and Supervisor Williams, should I wait? Because I surely don't want you to miss anything I'm sharing here.
Go for it Mr Caldwell.
All right. Here's the point. We already have greenhouse regulations in the South County, we're going to have hoop house regulations in the North and it wasn't that long ago when a farmer, a vegetable farmer in Lompoc got tagged for disrupting a wildlife corridor habitat. So the point here is AG has and is being regulated, and we don't believe that what this stuff they're doing with cannabis is good in terms of precedent. Because as you well know, CEQA wasn't supposed to apply to the private sector when it was passed, and it just took one lawsuit to say that we were not granting equal protection or protecting things equally between the public and the private.
How much would it take for somebody to sue on cannabis and said we need the same protections against other crops? We have no idea why your staff would put these restrictions up because again, a hoop house or row crop or a greenhouse can switch crops on any given day. And so we don't think it behooves the county to do this and we would ask that you'd retract it. Thank you.
Linda Tunnel in Santa Maria followed by Claire Weinman in Santa Maria.
Supervisors, I would make my only comment is that the difference between an agricultural crop and pot is it is a class one drug therefore it should be handled separately other than that or differently other than that I support my neighbors in Tepezcay Canyon
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Claire Wineman.
Good morning, my name is Claire Weinman. I'm the president of the Grower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo Counties. We do not represent cannabis growers but we are concerned with the precedent that the development standards would set and could adversely impact conventional agriculture. We appreciate your careful consideration of the changes to uniform rules and ask that you exercise the same discretion on the contemplated changes to the Land Use Development Code.
We specifically ask that you remand the portions of the LUDC related specifically to development standards for commercial cannabis cultivation to the Planning Commission for further review with consideration of recommendations from the County Agricultural Advisory Committee. We concur with the letter submitted by the AAC detailing specific concerns with the development standards before you.
We agree with AAC's acknowledgment of the unique nature of cannabis as a crop, especially considering that it is still federally illegal and understand that certain restrictions are necessary and proper due to public health and safety concerns However, we share AAC's concern with the precedent of placing restrictions on agricultural production through development standards and the potential for the county to exercise its land use authority over routine agricultural practices.
Examples of concern include the archaeological surveys, prohibition of certain fencing materials, pre-protection habitat protection and wildlife movement plans, lot size prohibitions, avoidance of prime soils for cultivation that is not in ground and for ancillary use facilities, and water efficiency standards based on the director's satisfaction. Along with AAC, we question whether the addition of such broad development standards which could set precedent and negatively impact conventional agriculturalists should be made without greater opportunity for review and stakeholder involvement.
We urge the Board of Supervisors to remand the Commercial Cultivation Development Standards to the Planning Commission with consideration of input from the Agricultural Advisory Committee before taking final action. Thank you.
In Santa Maria, then we're going to come back to Santa Barbara for Charlotte Brownlee.
Good morning supervisors. Here I am again. I didn't have a speech planned per se, but I do want to speak to a couple of the things that were said today. One, I do want to ditto the speakers of the Tepeskaya Canyon Committee. I also have the concerns regarding the regulations and the footnotes that were eliminated regarding Ag 2. I thought it was interesting what Andy Caldwell had to say about hoop houses and the history in supporting agriculture.
We're not opposed to the typical hoop house growers that have their berries and various products, crops growing under them in the valleys. The people that are in our community are buying up urban land which is historically uncultivated Removing heritage oak forests and disregarding any of the existing county regulations regarding hoop houses that are not supposed to be lit up. They're not supposed to have electricity going to them, the growers in the agricultural fields don't do this they use Hoophouse for microclimate, for frost protection, for whatever. But that isn't the case with the growers of cannabis in Tapasquet.
And I want to support what Linda Tunnel said as far as this is a class one drug we're talking about. We're not talking about growing raspberries. Thank you very much.
Back in Santa Barbara for Charlotte Brownlee to be followed by Dylan Johnson.
Good morning, supervisors. My name's Charlotte Brownlee and I'm from the Kate School in Carpinteria. Kate is still extremely concerned about the impacts of cannabis operations on the children and community of Carpinteria. We're grateful for the time and the energy that you are all spending to understand our specific issues. It bears mention that the odors persist. They seem to be even stronger when there is cloud cover. Just last night, I was on duty in one of our girls' dorms and I could smell the odor from the dorms.
On odor abatement, we have addressed our primary recommendation in our February 16th letter which you have in your packet. And there's also a copy of the map showing the proximity of large AG 120 and 40 parcels that are under the current language cause concern. We would like to recommend adding a few words Sensitive receptors within AG1 to the language about odor abatement plans. My understanding from the discussion at the February 6th hearing was that there was agreement among the supervisors that odor abatement plans should prevent odors from being experienced in AG1 and residential zones by sensitive receptors. I think the planners, if they reviewed the discussion would see that this was pretty well supported.
I also believe you're going to be discussing caps at the next meeting but I did want to say we strongly support capping the number of cannabis land use permits in the coastal zone at 45. Finally, I would like to put a plea to reconsider the use of the coastal zone boundary as a defining Line for banning outdoor growing, perhaps just in Carpinteria. We believe this is the cleanest and the most straightforward way to establish protection for the Carpinteria community. There's a strong legal argument and good rationale for having a unique standard in the coastal zone. For heaven sakes that's why there is a coastal zone because it's a unique and special environment. The county is free to draw two zones. We already regulate greenhouses differently.
This is a similar situation. Finally, there's been some misinformation about Williamson Act properties in Carpinteria. Kate is surrounded by such parcels, we even own a few. Our strong belief is that cannabis is a product not a crop and should be treated as such. In the simplest terms, a crop is defined as food. So thank you so much for all that you're doing to support the community and not advantage the interest of industry over the needs of your citizens. We're grateful for your work. Thank you.
Dylan Johnson to be followed by Amy Steinfeld.
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Good morning, Supervisors. Dylan Johnson, City Attorney for the city of Carpinteria. The city would like to take this opportunity where the board is reconsidering the regulations of cannabis to reiterate its request for a cap on the total amount of cannabis related land use within the county. The city understanding that the board did not take up the original proposal Based on a uniformity concern has endeavored to, without fully understanding what the uniformity concern was. Has endeavored to allay that concern by modifying its proposal and we're now proposing that the coastal zoning ordinance be amended to provide that no more than a total of 281.5 acres of commercial cannabis activity shall be permitted in the Ag 1 and Ag 2 zone land in the coastal zone.
This is a uniform standard in that it applies to all agricultural property, all Ag 1 and zone and Ag 2 zone property in the coastal zone. So it should not run afoul of any uniformity concern. As was stated by the previous commenter though would be a different standard for the coastal zone than the inland zone. There's ample reason. In fact, the Coastal Act even requires that the coastal zone be treated differently from the inland zone due to its unique nature.
The county zoning ordinance actually, the coastal zoning ordinance provides One of the purposes is to assure orderly balance utilization and conservation of coastal zone resources. And protect the character and stability of agricultural, residential, commercial, and industrial areas. In other words balancing the various uses in the coastal zone to protect coastal zone resources.
This cap that we're proposing is necessary to ensure The coastal zone and carpentry in particular is an attractive area for cannabis related development. For a number of reasons, the cannabis industry is a new industry we don't have the experience to know what the impacts will be but we do know that we're experiencing negative impacts now and we can expect those to grow as the cannabis industry grows. The city feels strongly that this cap is necessary to ensure A proper balance between cannabis industry growth, it provides ample room for additional growth. But ensure that it doesn't overrun other uses in the coastal zone and adequately protects the environment and natural resources. So in closing I would request that if the board chooses not to adopt this standard based on a uniformity concern, that the reason for that concern be publicly stated so we can understand what it is.
Thank you.
Amy Steinfeld to be followed by Peter Imhoff.
Good morning, I'm Kate School's attorney. Because the March hearing is right around the corner, I want to again emphasize our support for caps on cannabis operations in the coastal zone. In our February 15th letter we set forth some legal support for a cap As set forth in the EIR, limiting the extent of cannabis development would result in substantial reductions and the severity of many impacts and protect sensitive receptors.
There's ample legal support for this as courts have upheld caps on marijuana operations imposed by local governments. In fact there's a 2012 City of LA case and a 2016 City of Lahoe case. Both those cases are set forth in our recent letter. It's also clear that counties may enact different zoning rules in different regions as Mr. Johnson set forth, as long as they have a rational basis for doing so.
The county has a rational basis for distinguishing between both AG1 and AG2 zones and also coastal and inland zones for the purpose of developing caps to protect sensitive receptors. Sensitive receptors are more densely located in and adjacent to AG1 zones and the coastal zone which contains unique coastal resources Including prime coastal farmland and sensitive coastal habitat.
This warrants different protections than in inland areas. In fact, the county already as Mr. Johnson mentioned has a separate coastal zoning ordinance to protect these unique resources. We ask that the county enact a cap on Lanny's permits for cannabis operations to 45 permits in the coastal zone. In addition I just want to add some additional support to what Mrs. Brownlee mentioned regarding strengthening the odor abatement plan.
As set forth in our letter, we're only asking for four simple words be added. We don't believe this will require additional CEQA review and we believe today is the time to do this especially since you are going to be clarifying what's going on with the odor abatement plan as it pertains to Ag 2. So what we're asking be added, it would now read, the odor abatement plan must prevent odors from being experienced by sensitive receptors within Ag 1 and residential zones as determined by the director.
Without regulations that requires growers in AG-1 zones to reduce or eliminate odors that impact sensitive receptors, this community will continue to be plagued by strong noxious odors. Thank you.
Our next speaker is Peter Imhoff, to be followed by Todd Amsmoker
Good morning, Chair and Supervisors. Peter Imhoff, Planning Director for the City of Goleta. I'm here again to state the city of Goleta's opposition to the ordinance as it's presently drafted. We're fundamentally concerned that the county is placing incompatible uses, cannabis cultivation in particular next to residential uses and other uses where it's simply not compatible without adequate protections. Right now, the only protection that would exist in Ag 2 is a narrow buffer of a single parcel where a CUP would be required. That is simply not an adequate protection.
A CUP requirement will now require the city of Goleta and neighbors and other neighboring jurisdictions to follow the county's permit process and intervene and participate in your permit process anytime there's a cannabis permit application. Parcels come in all different shapes and sizes, and a single row of parcels is inadequate to provide a consistent buffer from these uses. A set distance would mean a consistent application and make a lot more sense.
At this point there's no odor abatement plan requirement on AG-2 parcels beyond that first buffer. So in many instances, with a land use permit a very short distance away from sensitive residential uses, cannabis growth will be allowed. That's simply not acceptable. That's not something that the city of Goleta considers acceptable and we're very concerned Based on the experience of other jurisdictions like the city of Carpinteria. Finally, the intensive accessory uses that are now contemplated manufacturing distribution are also hugely incompatible both with neighboring residential uses and with the AG-2 land use designation.
In effect, you're going to be creating a exclusive cannabis manufacturing zone where with only a land use permit intensive manufacturing distribution uses will be allowed. We're very concerned also about visual impacts and traffic impacts and we simply want the county to take a step back and reconsider its approach here. Thank you.
Todd Amspoker to be followed by Anna Carrillo.
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Good morning, Chair Williams and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Todd Amspoker. I'm an attorney at Price, Blistell & Parma. We represent Sarah Rotman who owns property on Highway 246 west of Buelton shown there on the diagram. Our client's property is the red property to the south of Highway 246. There is a EDRN, an existing urban development there on the north side of 246. 246 is owned by the state of California in fee. It's a very wide right-of-way, it's approximately 250 to 290 feet wide. The proposed regulation that's being talked about today indicates For properties that are adjacent to an EDRN, that a major CUP is required. Staff have indicated to us that in this situation our client's property is adjacent to the EDRN.
First of all we don't think that's accurate. Our client's property is adjacent to State Highway 246 which as I said is a very wide right-of-way owned by the state of California. But furthermore we think that this is bad policy and we also think it's a denial of equal protection. The same thing can be achieved by setback requirements and regulations such as odor abatement. The area where our client's growing operation would be is outlined in green on the diagram, it's 1,300 feet from the nearest residence on the other side of State Highway 246.
The proposed CUP requirement would be a denial of equal protection. Cannabis cultivation is being treated differently from any other agriculture operation for no particular good reason in this situation. Under county rules, urban development near agricultural operations is required to be subservient to the agriculture operations. This is outlined in the letter that we already provided to you. So this policy is inconsistent with that.
We urge you to not implement the policy that's been provided by staff. Thank you.
Anna Carrillo to be followed by John DeFrio.
Hello, good morning. Thank you for all your work you've been doing and this has been a long process for you and for me and for everybody in Carpinteria. Currently the cannabis land use permits as agreed to on February 6th are more protective of residential areas next to Ag 2 parcels than they are next to Ag 1 parcels in that CUP's will be required. In the Carpinteria Valley, the cities and the valley's residences are surrounded by Ag 1 parcels. Should there not be some equal protection given to those residences and sensitive receptors? There seems to be stricter regulations for neighbors of AG-2 parcels than for AG-1 parcels. Shouldn't there be a CUP approval required for AG-120 parcels larger than 20 acres, and AG-140 parcels adjacent to the urban rural boundary lines or in EDRN and sensitive receptors?
I recommend that you add number 8 to attachment 3A under Ag 1. That's under Ag 2, but not under Ag 1 According to my calculations from looking at the Carpentry Agricultural Overlay Map and the Toro Canyon map There are 13 AG 140 parcels, 10 in the coastal zone, 6 adjacent or fairly close to sensitive receptors and our residential areas. Currently outdoor cultivation would be allowed on these parcels with the only protection a distance of 1500 feet. Will odor abatement still be required on all grows in an outdoor in the coastal zone? There are also seven AG 120 parcels shown on these two maps. Without knowing the actual acreage of these two parcels, outdoor cultivation would be allowed if the parcels are actually larger than 20 acres. One is directly across the street from the La Mirada neighborhood and four are west of Toro Canyon before you get to the Summerland plan.
I definitely agree with Kate's request that the odor abatement plant must prevent odors from being experienced within residential zones and And sensitive receptors as determined by the director. The underlying part is Kate School's recommendation. Looking at number, well I'll forget that. There wasn't any public discussion of the change from measuring a property line to premise. Sorry thank you very much.
John Defriel who's our next speaker and then we'll hear from Robert Fedore who's our final speaker.
Good morning, Chair Williams and the rest of the board. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. In general I am in support of the ordinance as proposed. Unfortunately at the last minute in the last meeting there were several changes that were thrown together and I don't think the implications of them were actually completely understood. I look forward to continuing to work on developing the ordinance and Ensure that any additional changes are and all their implications are carefully understood. Thank you.
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Chair Williams, member of the board. I just basically wanted to thank you again like everyone else for your hard work and that allowing a pathway to people who are on the registry who have California temporary cultivation licenses. And I guess our concern is that there's going to be enough staff to handle these major CUPs as we move along in a timely manner and that's my comment for today. Thanks.
That concludes public comment.
Staff, there was an awful lot brought up though you're familiar with most of those issues. Do you have responses to any of that public comment?
Yes Chair Williams and Supervisors so in response to Mr. Clary's comment regarding the footnote about EDRNs I'd like to direct everyone's attention to page 46 of attachment 2B, D1C. 46- Slow that down
just a minute.
Page 46 of 2B sorry. And then under D1, so these are specific development standards for cultivation. The footnote is also delineated in C there to cover all zones where cultivation would be allowed. So we do not believe that there's any correction necessary.
Any other responses on either the sensitive receptor, odor abatement language? I mean, I would particularly, and this is partially a question out of county council's office. Two different attorneys have offered Maybe a differing view on using the coastal zone as a boundary. I do think we need to wrestle with this because obviously, we will take up the matter of caps and we have to figure out some boundary for caps.
And so it has either comment or written materials from either attorneys caused you revise your Opinion at all on the coastal zone as a boundary for some of regulatory authority.
Chair Williams and Supervisors No, it is not and I note that when we have proponents advocating the county to take legal risks that don't fall on them That's a different position than the one I'm in Okay
Chair Williams, we also have one more response to Ms. Carrillo's comments. I just want to remind everyone that on that same page of attachment 2B, page 46, we are for outdoor cannabis cultivation only allowing indoor and mixed light on Ag 1 5 lots or Ag 110 lots as well as any Ag 1 lot that's 20 acres or less. So we feel that that will help us with the odor abatement issues that might occur.
Other comments, questions from
Mr. Labadino? Thank you, Mr. Chair. This exercise has shown how tough it is to create an ordinance, and I think the fact that we're kind of highlighting footnotes and those types of things show what a good job staff's done. It's very difficult to make rules that fit every single parcel in the county. And I think sometimes people forget when I look at Congress, Very concerned about their ineffectiveness, but then you try to remember they're trying to write rules that apply to all 330 million people. It's kind of difficult so there are some inconsistencies I think.
Throughout the ordinance a little bit, I think the fact now that we have much better maps and thanks to Ms. Metzger there's a really cool interactive map that I got to look at that hopefully will be out in the public soon. But what I'd like to see is staff kind of just as we roll through this and as applications come in, obviously you always have the ability to perfect this. And if you see changes my recommendation would be there's some things I'd love to change today obviously but I think the important thing is to move forward. And then if you have things that you determine need to be fixed, the path for that would be to bring it back to the planning commission with a recommendation and the planning commission will review it and then bring it to the board of supervisors with their recommendations.
Once we get to the point, I'd be happy to make a motion. Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you Mr. Chair, I just would like staff to clarify what's happening in March we had a couple speakers speak to the issue of caps and it was my understanding that that was coming back as it related to retail establishments but are we talking about caps for cultivation?
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Mr. Chair and Supervisor Wolfe, no the board directed staff to come back for consideration of caps to be specific up to eight retail establishments, no more than two per district and so that's what we intend on coming back with respect to caps. And then obviously the other item that will be considering is Supervisor
Wolf, I'm going to
interrupt you just for a second. You are not planning on bringing back the discussion of a cap? That was very much in our discussion last time that was a board consensus
Mr. Chair and board members we are for retail that's what we
know I'm talking about for cultivation this is one of the large planks of discussion last time I mean if you want a board letter then all right your board letter but I want to talk about caps, and if we can't do the coastal zone then if the intent of the board is to prevent concentration then I would propose to do it by quadrant. If we have four roughly equivalent quadrants to the county there's you know if the intent is not concentration than have a cap for each quadrant.
Well, go ahead Ms. Miyasato.
Mr. Chair and board members you can give whatever direction you'd like today that is not what we heard last time
okay
so it was not one of the follow-up items that we had intended to agendize for March 20th
Well, I would ask the board because it was a clear avenue of discussion and that it hit a roadblock obviously with the coastal zone boundary issue. But if it is still the intent of the board to have a cap, I sure would appreciate the support to discuss it when we talk about retail caps. Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you. I don't recall that conversation, and if we had it, I would have embraced it because I know that was the environmentally superior alternative which was the limitation on cultivation grows. So that's my recollection. That's why I asked the question because I didn't recall that. Just as an aside, one of the things that is really concerning to me and it goes to the issue of caps and how we're moving forward. Is a number of state licenses that have already been issued based on our letter, our unfortunate letter that people have been using. And we now have, we are the highest, we have the highest number of licenses in the state more than Humboldt County. We are number one. With temporary licenses and my feeling is we can talk about caps, which is great.
But I also feel like we need to get a handle on what's going on right now. Where are these state licenses that folks have? They're going to be coming back to us, I assume in 60 or 90 days. It's just there's so many pieces to this and There's a sense of frustration that this is a runaway train and there's people already doing it. We heard from an attorney who talked about his client who's doing it, well he got a state license we got that letter but now at some point the county's going to have to enforce our own regulations so I think we need to know where these places are. They're growing exponentially, and I am concerned about what's going on in our county.
And I don't know if we can open up the door to CAPS now. Like I said, I would have loved to really had that conversation before but if we open that door I don't know what's going to happen. I would like to make our ordinance much more restrictive, CAPS obviously is. But once you open the door, you never know what's going to happen. You might get more restrictions on one end and then a more permissive ordinance on the other hand. So I'm concerned about doing that.
Well, I'm recalling as Miss Black is that we didn't talk about cultivation caps on cultivation at all. That was retail sales as far as I'm... I'm just telling you what I
recall. Because this has been on the list as far back as the ad hoc. It keeps on being on the list and then it keeps on falling off of it, and I just want a yes or no, right? Are we interested in it? Or are we only interested in doing caps for retail? Or are we not interested in doing it? And that I think is a really important question.
Well and to answer that as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not going to be supporting this thing today because of the development standard issue that popped up in this thing. And by the way the Ag Advisory Committee unanimously which is pretty odd Send us a letter of concern about the development standards being included and their potential impact on other agriculture.
So I think that you know that should not be ignored but just as far as Retail sales go, I think being the libertarian that I am. I have problems capping anything frankly because the most efficient ones are going to make it and the least efficient ones are going to go out of business and If you end up with a thousand of them, they're all gonna be able to continue to make it. So I think the natural number will sort itself out and again, it's not up to us to decide whether it's good or not. Prop 64 decided that for us and now we're responding and Like Supervisor Lavanino said, there is a million circumstances out there and we're not gonna be able to design a single course of conduct that everybody's gonna be happy with. It's just not gonna happen.
And I stand as a prime example of somebody who's not happy with it for a set of reasons that I've articulated. I think we can watch the tape and define what we can from that, but I just don't recall there being any type of limit on cultivation. And then again with the development standards issue when does some limitation on cultivation back into some other crop?
Because you know, much as people want to say that it's a schedule one substance. It's legal in the state of California and it's an agriculture specifically an agricultural crop for purposes of Prop 64. So I really worry about how this is all going to interplay at some point in the future for other crops.
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This is not look. Staff just articulated that we can add discussion of it onto the 12th when we're discussing other caps if the motion was not specific and included did not include caps on either, that does not preclude us from making This is not a new issue. I've been talking about it for a year,
but it was always coastal zone and that's why I didn't really care about it because it was a coastal zone issue and if there were going to be caps in the coastal zone, I'm okay with that so I don't know You know, I don't particularly want caps up in the North County so that's why I ignored it through the whole time. But I mean, I don't want to reopen the entire ordinance just to talk about capping cultivation. We're talking about capping retail
there's no nothing to preclude us from talking about capping cultivation at the same time.
Honestly, if I could just say something. If we wanted to talk about capping, we never would have sent that letter to the state that allowed so many people to get their licenses. We have over, I think it's over 250 right now. So we should never have even gone down that road.
Okay, you
have
to think about it. You have to know what we're discussing though and that is just because you have a license does not mean that you have a grow going on. The 250 licenses I think over 100 of them are held by
one individual- Well Steve if you look at like San Luis Obispo they have like three. There's a significant difference when people have a license.
Supervisor Wolf those
are- If we open up the issue of caps again that's okay with me because I wanted it a long time ago and I just feel that this whole discussion is kind Kind of spinning me around here because I don't remember, and I think we've just heard. None of us remember talking about caps. If we do open up the discussion again about capping cultivation in the coastal zone or all zones, what does that do to our ordinance?
What's the process then?
Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolfe, there are two ways to cap the cultivation or retail or any of the use types. One is through the land use ordinances which would be fairly difficult and another is through the licenses which the ordinance for the licenses is also coming before you on March 20th.
Supervisors, just to remind you your board's direction to us was to come back with capping retail. But the discussion was also to do it through the business license and use that process. So I think that would be our recommendation if you want to look at further caps we would work planning and county council if that's possible to do it through the licensing mechanism.
That's fine.
And I'm seeing a look from Mr. Ghisoni, I mean I think the question is would we be restricted only to a countywide cap or is there possibility of you finding another rational basis I believe is your term of art for regional caps? Such as trying to avoid concentration.
Chair Williams and supervisors, we've been in discussion with staff on rational basis for caps and probably the One of the easier analogies is with taxi fleets. When we look at those, those are heavily regulated. You get a medallion or you don't in different jurisdictions. There's a limit on how many go out there. So there is a way to do that. That's probably the straightforward approach.
The county and all jurisdictions have somewhat similar land use codes in that they are prohibitive unless something's an allowed use. Ours is maybe a little bit different in Our definitions in the coastal zone and the inland zone are very close to each other. The county practice for decades has been to use those similar definitions, which means it's harder to distinguish between similarly defined uses in the coastal zone versus the inland zone.
Thinking large, if the county wanted to have different zones. That's not something easily done but that's what some jurisdictions do that our county does not do. Going back to your question on could the county limit certain activities? We think there is a way to do that. We think that the coastal zone, inland zone is probably not the best way to do tha. But we will be having more discussions with CO's office and staff on that.
Mr.
Lavagnino. I was just ready to make a motion, but I see Supervisor Hartman. Supervisor Hartman? Plugged in.
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Thank you Supervisor Lavagnino and Chair Williams. I remember...I'm just trying to remember what we discussed about CAPS and I know it's come up again I do hope that we will be coming back. It's not perfect And I think we need to review it in a year or so, and I ask that we actually have a monitoring program that looks at the whole program and comes back and reports to us. But I think we have to go in with the expectation that it's not perfect, and that we are going to have to make some changes based on experience.
Mr. Lavigny? Well, I'm gonna move staff recommendation Well, I'm just going to move staff recommendation. I know it's not perfect and if you know a board office can always get another item brought but I want to try to get this ordinance in place and like I said we'll have staff.
Okay, perfect. I'll make a substitute motion and I guess you guys can vote it down but a substitute motion of staff recommendation with the additional direction to return when we are talking about caps on retail that I'll remind you we have allocated regionally that we get a rational basis for allocation regionally for cultivation licenses or at least to discuss that.
See, here's the difference though for me between retail and cultivation. Is that cultivation there are all different types of licenses and you can have one person holding multiple, multiple, multiple licenses doing one thing in one area. And when you put a cap on something like that, one person could end up buying up all the licenses for that particular region.
. . Thinking the problem is if you open this ordinance up, you're going to end up with a lot more problems than you think you're getting right now. And there's going to be other people that are going to want to change something else about the ordinance. I've got things I want to change about the ordinance. Yeah, Peter does too. So I'm going to move staff recommendation and hopefully you can work it behind the scenes so you've made a motion?
Well I make a substitute motion to uphold the commitment that we made before in the coastal zone just simply ask for another regional basis for the same thing that you already made a commitment on To do it, to ask if staff can give us another rational basis for a cap or at least to discuss. I
can put that in part of the motion for staff to come back and discuss it. Then I will withdraw my substitute motion. Okay so the recommendation is recommended actions with staff coming back with a discussion of cultivation cap by region or by permit
Staff you understand
the motion?
And is the seconder still good with the motion? Yes. There is a motion and second discussion on the motion. That was
a motion made under protest by the way so...
Thank You Mr. Lavagnino. Roll call.
Ms. Hartman
Hi,
Mr. Adam. No. Mr. Lavinino? Aye. Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 4-1
So can I just say for a second that I am wearing Supervisor Carbajal's tie today and and I have a picture of him on my desk and it says you can't always get what you want and today I shouldn't have worn the tie D2
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Chair Williams, members of the board. Item D2 is from the county executive office. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding authorization to submit a direct argument in favor of the cannabis operations tax ballot measure and authorization to direct argument authors to provide a rebuttal if needed.
I believe one of the supervisors will be providing information to the board on this.
Thank you, Mr. Chair and CEO Miyasato. So we wordsmithed the argument in favor of Measure DT and I guess basically I would just say that It's not rocket science and we did our best. And I'm sure folks would like to make changes to it, but you have to realize that when you change something, we have a word count. So this is what is being presented. I don't know if we have to read it or what we have to do, but I guess folks can read it for themselves.
Is there public comment on this item?
No request to speak. Questions or comments from the board?
I'll make a motion to move the recommended actions. Is there a
second? I will second. Any other further discussion? Roll call please.
Ms. Hartman? Aye Mr. Adam?
Based on the fact that I may be on the opposition, I'm going to abstain. Mr. Lavenita? Aye.
Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Mr. Williams? Aye Passes four ayes, one abstention.
Anti-revenue wow Okay. We will go back to the A items. We do have a number that are being pulled. We have one being pulled from the public, but we also have announcements first. Mr. Allen.
Roll-call vote 0–0 move the recommended actions. Is there a second? I will second. Any other further discussion? Roll call · 2 under review
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I will be leaving this meeting now, so I wanted you to know that.
Thank you and thank you for attending even on the other side of the continent. We really appreciate
it. Okay. Now I go lobby for
Rhodes. Chair Williams, members of the board, prior to getting started with announcements could we get a motion to approve the minutes of the February 13th meeting?
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So moved. There's a motion and second, can we go back to our normal procedure now that Ms. Hartman is here? So all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right so announcements Mr. Allen.
Chair Williams members of the board I have a couple of announcements to make regarding the administrative agenda first on item A25 That is from the Public Works Department. This is regarding the North County Payment Rehabilitation Project, 3rd, 4th and 5th districts. There's a request that this item be withdrawn from the agenda at this time and then public works will re-docket that at an appropriate time for Item A29.
This is Public Works, this comes to the board as a Board of Directors of the Flood Control and Water Conservation District. This is the Lower Mission Creek flood control project reaches three and four. This is in the first district and there's a request that this item be withdrawn at this time as well. And those are my announcements on the administrative agenda. And then I have a request to speak from the public on Item A-36.
And why don't we take 836 first?
Chair Williams, members of the board, 836 is from Planning and Development. This is a request to set a hearing. It's an appeal filed by John Tine III. He's the attorney for Mark Brooks and Patty Stewart, the appellants of the planning commission September 27th, 2017 approval of revisions to the Golden Inn and Village development plans. This is located on Refugio Road in the Sanis Community Plan area in the third district. And I have Patty Stewart here to speak on this.
Chair Williams, members of the board, my name is Patty Stewart. I'm the resident owner of 3050 Lucky Lane, the street immediately south and contiguous to the Golden Inn and Village. I am also the co-appellant in this matter. I am here to request that your board direct the planning department To reassign the staff report for the appeal to an unconflicted planner with an unbiased supervisor and manager.
The assigned planner erroneously stamped incorrect plans prior to the permit process, and her manager Jeff Wilson has admitted in writing that as a result of this error, the project was built out of compliance with important conditions of approval including a 250% increase in the height of parking lot lights. The failure to install the agreed upon drainage and detention system, and the 18.5% increase of phase one building square footage.
It was later discovered that the project was also built over 17% higher than approved by your board. And in one location it exceeds the 35 foot maximum allowable in the San Ynez community plan. In addition, in staff reports to CBAR and the Planning Commission, there's absolutely no mention of the complaint-driven nature of virtually every significant issue proposed for revision.
Further, the department is depending on a lighting study prepared by the electrical engineer who developed a nonconforming lighting plan without reviewing conditions of approval as required by her licensure. In a typical appeal process planning and is expected to conduct an impartial investigation and make unbiased recommendations. However, in this instance the Golden Inland Village Two-Phase Project represents 85% of the lowest income housing needs specified in the current Housing Element Study overseen by Planning & Development which consequently results in a significant performance based interest.
In addition, a coveted $23 million CTCAC construction grant was awarded and there were strict time requirements involved, causing corners to be cut. And the abdication of monitoring responsibilities to the favor of the errant developer. There is a clear pattern of collaboration with the architect and housing authority to ensure this project was built and occupied no matter how incorrectly.
Now conditions of approval and mitigation measures promised that averted both public opposition and an environmental impact review are seemingly expendable without board or court intervention. What private project would receive similar consideration? As a former 30-year county employee and department head, I've been disheartened by the deliberate noncompliance tolerated until exposed by citizen complaint. And then being forced to witness a wholesale attempt to make correction only by revision leaving this board holding the bag and the negative impacts to neighboring properties as unremediated collateral damage.
The ramifications of the outcome-
Thank you. You exceeded your time and we will have the hearing on it,
a full
time of that
hearing. I would just request that you consider referring the investigation, the writing of the staff report to a non conflicted entity. Thank you.
Thank you
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That concludes testimony on that item.
And do we have any requests to vote on that separately? We'll pull A25 by Mr. Adam.
Chair Williams and members of the board, Item 825 is Public Works Department. This was previously read into the record in the request from Public Works that this item be withdrawn.
Mr. Adam? The question for Public Works is why are we pulling this item? Why are we continuing this item, I guess?
Mr. Chair and Supervisor Adam, we're pulling the item really for cash flow purposes. I think if you look at the 1-9 debris flow events, we're going to have close through public works $124 million of work completed in 60 days. That's 110 through the Army Corps of Engineers and another 14 through our funds. So we have about 7 million, I think on the roadside that's gone out the door. We got about another 11 million to 12 million in permanent restoration.
So we have about six million programmed in pavement preservation, and we just don't have the cash right now to carry the cost.
Well so what is the plan in the end?
We're going to meet with the CO's office and come back to the board and talk about it.
Supervisors, I think we haven't had time to discuss this with Public Works to the degree we would like. So Mr. McLaughlin let me know yesterday that they're pulling the item and I've since talked to Mr. Frapwell who's talked to Mr Filotti so we will be working in the next couple of weeks to figure out the cash flow issues. We think there are some different solutions. We're coming back to your board in March for a further update on just the Thomas debris flow issues and so we will hope to have that resolved so this can come back on your agenda by then.
Yeah, because the thing is nobody took any action to set aside the roadmap. Right? So we're still operating on the road map that's our plan
as of today yes but that'll be one of the items we discussed with the CEO's office
well yeah okay so you know I well will discuss this at another time but That's, when those items are budgeted then that money needs to be directed there.
Supervisor Adam if I might through the chair. Please. I do think we are committed to accomplish the projects that your board funded in the current adopted budget and unless your board decides otherwise that's the course of action we're planning to take. We will work with the Public Works Department to ensure there is cash sufficient to do those projects.
Sooner than later, thank you.
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Supervisors, if we could also pull A13. I've asked Matt Pontus to just give a quick update for your board on the 1-9 debris flow particularly because as you've seen we're in an advisory evacuation state right now.
Then I will pull A13 and Mr. Lavenino has pulled A16 so we'll take those together so feel free Include any information on the financial aspect of this as well.
Chair Williams, members of the board, item A13 is from the CEO's office. It's to consider recommendations regarding the Thomas Fire storm update and local proclamation re-ratification in A16. Also from the CEO is to consider recommendations regarding the initial cost estimates for the Thomas fire in the January 9th 2018 debris flow.
Good morning, members of the board. Matt Pontus here, County Senator Barbara functioning as the Director of Recovery for this event, the one night event. I'm going to talk a little bit about what's going on out there as we get storm ready and then I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Frapwell and his team to talk a little bit about the financials. As you're aware, we've developed an organizational structure focused on debris clearing, preparation for future storm events and long-term recovery of the impacted areas.
Since before this storm event of January 9th due to the Thomas fire, we've had the Office of Emergency Services and FEMA in our emergency operations center. And we've done that to ensure that our community has the resources to get back on their feet and build a more resilient community. As you're aware, we had issued an advisory based upon the weather events of this week. And it's not the first time in the last couple weeks where we've had a storm front come through that looked like it was going to really rain and dump and meet our thresholds. And in previous ones they did not amount to that. So that was the case with Monday night storm as well. We had an advisory, we were ready to move it to a warning and that did not meet the thresholds that were required to move debris.
So we've kept the advisory in place because as you're aware we have another storm coming through on Thursday so our latest information is That we have a storm that will likely trigger some of our evacuation protocols. But first, before evacuation we always go from an advisory to a warning. So our next step is we have a team of folks working today to facilitate that discussion with our weather partners to make sure that we're getting the storm thresholds for moving it to a warning.
Although the weather reports will generate possibly up to two inches of rain for Thursday, it could be spread over many hours. So we're looking at those intensities and it's those intensities that carry the rocks and boulders from our drainages down into the lower stream channels. To review whether we're keeping it under an advisory or moving it more towards a warning.
If we move more towards a warning, then that information will likely go out tomorrow and we will work hard to make sure that we are using all of our communication techniques as we've talked about several times in the past. As your board is aware, Been to several community meetings in Montecito, Sutherland and Carpinteria. And talked about our new timeline, our 72 hour window which we move from an advisory through warnings and then evacuations if the storms generate that much rainfall.
I'd just like to also point out that the team has been focused on clearing creek channels. Our public works and flood control have been working hard day and night To make sure that our debris basins are clear. And right now, we're around 74% of our creek channels and 92% of our debris basins. So we're feeling pretty good about the amount of work that's going on out there. Certainly there's still a lot of work to do and all of our roads have been cleared at this time.
So I'd be happy to answer any questions or turn it over Mr. Frapwell talk about financial.
Questions from the board? Then let's go over the financial.
Mr. Chair, members of the board as outlined in your item A-16 we provide to your board with an update of the cost that we have identified at this point in response to both the Thomas fire and the 1-9 debris flow you can see on attachment a The total cost we're estimating at the moment is just above $46 million. And I would say, just as a reminder, this is just the county's portion of the costs. It's the cost that counties incurred first. It does not include those costs incurred by Cal Fire with respect to the Thomas fire nor does it include the costs incurred by other entities around the area. So these are the counties' costs as we currently know them as an impacted county department. So roughly $46 million are our current estimate. This number continues to move.
We will be requesting departments to update their estimates this week, so that next time we come back your board will have updated information The item before you in A-16 really is the initial request or the initial impact that we feel is important to be borne by the county strategic reserve. So it requests a transfer of $6.25 million from the strategic reserve into two general fund departments.
Now we know as we've outlined in attachment A, there are other special revenue funds impact as well and we will continue to work with those departments that are impacted to make sure that we address both cash flow and appropriations issues they may encounter this year. And obviously this is a key factor in planning our recommended budget for next fiscal year as well. As we know, this is not a single fiscal year.
So
to kick off, yesterday was the first day of COVID-19. FEMA and Cal OES, it's the first kind of
major hurdle step in the cost recovery process. That cost recovery process I've described as a marathon, not a sprint, is something that will take Perhaps multiple fiscal years fully bet out as we do these projects. But I think today's report is really to give you a snapshot in time of where we see the costs currently. We've incurred the immediate action necessary which address appropriations issues within both the Sheriff's Department and the OEM department.
And so, we'll be back with your board in March With another update and continue on as we go through this process. Be happy to answer any questions.
Questions from the board? Mr. Lavignino. I think mine's more of a comment, I just wanted to say you know this is, I think it's the first time since I've been on the board that there's been a significant allocation out of the strategic reserve and so I just kind of wanted employees and department heads and everybody to understand what kind of level, what we're talking about right now. I mean we just took out 20% of this strategic reserve And it's not over yet. So, I don't mind it being on the agenda and I know you're going to come back next month but I just want folks to understand that this is a significant financial hit to the county.
A lot of it can probably end up being non-reimbursable so I know we're all working as hard as we can to make those connections to get as much of this reimbursed as we possibly can but there is a new normal right now.
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Mr. Adam. Yeah, and this is what the strategic reserve is for and I totally support the expenditure. What is the difference, Mr. Frapwell between the 46 on attachment A and Mr. McGulpin just mentioned 120 plus million dollars that they've got in it? Is that including FEMA money and everybody else's money, Cal OES as well? Or what? Where is the...
Supervisor Adam to the Chair. I believe the number that was referenced by Ms. McGulpin also includes the cost incurred by the Army Corps. The Army Corps has been fantastic by the way just an editorial comment but they have been very responsive and bearing a great deal of cost with respect to clearing Catch bases as well as helping with the removal of the debris in the channels. And so, the costs that I think that Mr. McGolpin included were those costs as well. So as I mentioned these costs here, the 46 million does not encompass all the other agencies' costs.
Okay, so we don't receive a bill for any of that? Correct. That's just stuff they move in and take care of and pay for and We just get it. Okay, super.
I do have one question on this because one of the most alarming numbers you know even though this is what a The reserve is for is this these numbers are growing? You know I saw we saw the preliminary one couple weeks ago And this is a good million and a half of unreimbursed costs higher than that estimate. And we also know from experience that not all these reimbursals actually happen, right? We're calculating 90 just shy of 94% reimbursals on the reimbursed items.
It is public works' experience that that number does not usually happen that high. And so this could be much larger, so I think we need to be alarmed at any large figures on this sheet. And one of the large figures on this sheet is that more than half of the sheriff's $6 million of costs is non-reimbursable. What the heck are... and I'm not looking at casting blame on the Sheriff's Department. Why is the activities of the Sheriff's Department around this emergency largely unreimbursable?
Mr. Chair, members of the board, primarily the costs in the non-reimbursable category are related to staff costs on regularly scheduled work time. In other words as straight time or The normal schedule work for employees is not generally a reimbursable expense under FEMA and CaliOS rules. Now there are some exceptions to that.
Even if the staffing has completely changed, I mean before the disaster we had one officer a day out there now we have a lot more So that's still an increase of staffing for that particular area. And I just have concern, and obviously there's people now that we've tried to get some heavy hitters to help us. Can we make sure that we do enough consultation with the former director of FEMA who is now at our disposal Let's look at this and not look at every rejection as gospel truth.
Chairman, we are absolutely focused on maximizing the reimbursement and we will work every angle possible to do that. You make a good note which is that our historical recovery percentage on cost incurred has room for opportunity to grow and improve. We are making the investments in outside firms to assist In that regard, bring that expertise to the table in order to maximize reimbursement.
We'll be looking at that as well. So certainly, to the extent we can recoup the cost for straight time because obviously these are staff that were elsewhere in the county that were reallocated to address the most pressing need in the Montecito area, the damaged areas. That causes us to shift staff around and we'll be seeking reimbursement because those staff are dedicated to the event. So, to the extent that we can do that, we're focused on that.
Thank you. Any other questions, comments?
Chair Weldon and Supervisors I just want to note that Chief Peterson is in the back of the room as well. They are preparing also for the storm events and I don't know if he wants to say anything or not but they have been preparing with Montecito Fire and other fire districts so we appreciate that and I just want Again, say thank you to your board and the previous board for building up the strategic reserve in the last four years. You did that when I started it wasn't built up. You made sure that we did and this is exactly what it should be used for so thank you.
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Thank you. We have no requests of vote on these separately. So can I get a motion on the balance of the agenda?
Move the balance of the agenda.
All those in favor please say aye. Aye. We will take a short five-minute break and then come back for the rest of the D items.
Chair Williams, just before you break could you if possible provide your thought on when we would be breaking for closed session? I realize we have some moving targets out there but we have a fairly large closed session and we've got some people on deck.
We will practice what I'm going to call the Labanino rule, which is the closed session will start as closely following the delivery of lunch as possible.
So.
Thank you.
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We'll call the meeting back to order. We are on D3. Oh we have announcements and some determinations to make.
Yes, Chair Williams and members of the board if we could take a couple of actions well at least one action here we have a request that item d4 be withdrawn from the agenda this is from the Public Works Department and it comes to the Board as the Board of Directors of the Flood Control and Water Conservation District and General Services in the requests that this item be withdrawn from the agenda at this time
And do we need a motion to withdraw it from the agenda?
Yes, that would be appropriate.
I'll make a motion to withdraw item D4. Is there a second?
Second.
There is a motion and a second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? I think there's a request for a speaker on that item.
They have indicated to me that they'd be willing to waive that if the item was withdrawn.
Okay, thank you. Come on up.
I'm sorry. This item was coupled with A- Ma'am,
can you speak
into the mic? With A29. You earlier withdrew A29 but you didn't take a motion so I am a little concerned if you have to take a motion to withdraw that one. So please do so now so I can leave.
Oh sure. Thank you. We are making that motion ma'am. Thank you. Thank you.
I can probably clarify that. The motion that was made to approve the balance of the administrative agenda, which was a motion made by Supervisor Lavanino and seconded by Supervisor Wolf, that included the withdrawal of that administrative item.
Thank you for that clarification Michael.
And I have no other announcements other than there was a request to continue D7. Okay, let's take up D4. Chair Williams, members of the board. We're going to hear D3 here. This is from Public Works. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding amending chapters 24A and 24-24 of the Santa Barbara County Code relating to fines and penalties for violations occurring discharge into Laguna County Sanitation District Treatment System. This is in the third, fourth, and fifth districts.
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Good morning, Mr. Chair and members of the board. Today's agenda item is to consider adopting amendments to the county code as they pertain to sewer discharges to Laguna County Sanitation District. Basically, it addresses management of certain sewer discharges. The current regulatory climate is basically ordained by the statewide general permit for sanitary sewers as adopted by the State Water Board in 2006.
It was intended to reduce sewer overflows and required agencies to adopt a Sewer System Management Plan and requires that the agencies Be able to enforce violations of those two ordinances. In addition, federal state and local laws that also prohibit discharges of certain waste to the sewer system are on the books such discharge issues related to
toxicity- Marty, I'm sorry could you speak closer into the microphone? It's hard to hear you thanks. Thank you is that better?
Certain discharge issues such as toxicity, pH, temperature, certain loads, solid waste etc. The current local regulation on the books are within County Code Chapter 29, Article 3. It was amended in 2013 to comply with the requirements for fats oils and grease primarily from food service establishments. It already had certain criteria for the discharge of certain industrial wastes.
But it did not have adequate mechanisms for the enforcement of those violations at that time or currently, it requires the issuance of a citation by the Sheriff's Department and is not consistent with how other departments you can utilize current ordinances and enforcement capabilities under Chapter 24A for administrative fines. Proposed changes, therefore are to add the sanitation district to chapter 24 for those administrative fines. So we have the same ability and would no longer require the issuance of a sheriff's citation. In addition it would amend chapter 29 to include existing state codes, health safety code, government code, water code, fishing game code forward regarding existing penalties on the books.
The enforcement process would then go to one where we would issue a violation indicating what the administrative authority is with the problem and what the potential penalty could be, allowing then a period to comply. And then conduct a hearing in the event that the situation is not complied with. And then imposing the appropriate civil penalty which could lead up to imposition or a lien on the tax roll.
And therefore staff recommends updating the county code in these two sections to better provide enforcement capabilities pursuant to the intent of the State Water Board permit. With that, if there are any questions?
Questions from the board? Is there public comment?
No request to speak.
Is there a motion, Mr. Adam?
I'll make a motion to adopt staff recommendations. Second.
All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Staff recommendation is passed thank you So D5?
Chair Williams and members of the board, item D5 is from planning and development. It's a hearing to consider the adoption of the Montecito architectural guidelines and development standards limited update. This is phase two, this is in the first district.
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Mr. Chair my staff is on their way up we need a brief moment.
Then perhaps what we will do is take up the question of whether or not to pull D7 from the agenda. The request has come from P&D to continue the departmental item. There may be requests to speak on the question of whether or not to pull the item. And could we get an explanation? Because this has been a long standing years and years issue, so I just want for the public record to understand why the request is to pull the item.
Would you like me to read this into the record? Please. So, this item number seven is for planning and development. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the O'Neill residence variance. This is a general plan amendment and rezone. And it's located on Wallace Avenue in the Summerlin area in the first district. There is a request to continue this item.
to April 3 would be the request. And we do have Susan Petrovich here to speak to the request.
Let's take public comment and then since P&D isn't here, since the advice originated County Council will have a brief explanation from County Council on the continuance request.
Ms. Petrovich?
Good morning and thank you for allowing me to speak. We oppose this, this is the second hearing now on this matter that's been going on for well over ten years. I talked to Mr. Gazzone yesterday because he said you put a whole lot of pages of evidence in the record on Thursday and Friday and we haven't had a chance to look at it. I submitted two letters to you. The first one was my usual comment letter on the merits of our And virtually every page that was attached to that letter had already been submitted in 2015.
You saw it, the staff saw it, we came up with one additional record of survey again supported our position that the railroad did not take out all of Wallace Avenue and therefore there was legal access. And then we submitted some Southern Pacific files and this is like three pages that I submitted, not a whole lot of pages. So every, and again those SP records supported our position. So there's nothing new from what we submitted three years ago.
We also submitted with a second letter all of the records that we could find on the trust that we asserted again years ago. Mr. Williams transferred all of the streets in public areas in Summerland to The county council never agreed that transfer occurred, even though we submitted a deed to them long before your hearing. They didn't agree with us on the wording so we submitted a typed out section of the wording from the deed.
That may be new, the type not the fact that you already saw the deed and we felt that because it was possible That sorry, I brought that for my calendar about April 3rd anyway. So we also submitted the records of that trust from the court to prove that in fact there was such a trust and it was an operation and it did exert authority over the streets. They don't have to read every page. It's mostly accounting of the money that they got from the various utilities for that exercise in controlling the streets and requiring utilities to pay them something to put pipes and wires in the street.
That's not anything that justifies continuing this, that simply confirming what we've been saying for years and frankly County Council could have gone and looked at the court record too. We just went to the trouble of doing it, and we put it in the record because if there's any chance you're gonna deny our project after all of this, we wanted to have it in the record so a court could see that you had seen there really was a trust, and they really did have the streets and highways.
That's it. So we do object to any continuance. We wanna be heard. And we've got a whole bunch of people from Summerland coming today to testify.
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Is there any comment by staff before we go to the board?
Mr. Chair, members of the board I can't even confirm if the information is new or not unless I'm given enough time to review it so as I indicated if you want us to be able to weigh in on the information we believe that continuance is warranted and if you want to act on the record as we've reviewed it then that's fine too
Mr. Gazzani? Chair and Supervisors, the staff recommendation by Planning and Development is for a denial of the project and they alternatively provided approval findings so if you were to go down the road of denial essentially you've received several hundred pages of documents that staff has not reviewed that could potentially impugn that denial. That's why we recommend actually reading the documents before the board chooses between denial and approval And as we look at these documents, which could have been more difficult to read had they been in Spanish. Many of the pages are cursive documents, microfiche, hard to read. I mean, we started wallowing through these documents and they are hard reads.
Well, I have a suggestion given the amount of work that might be involved in reviewing the record is to hear the item. My understanding is that it would be a problem perhaps to find for denial without Without a continuance, but we could always continue the hearing if that was the motion that the board wished to do. On the other hand, if the board wishes to approve then we could simply approve and save everyone a whole lot of work.
So I will make the motion to deny the continuance request. I think we need to hear from the public
first.
I would still want to hear the public record.
Okay, well at the risk of sounding like were trying to prejudge this thing... I'm not in favor of not continuing if there's a possibility of denial. If you could take a straw poll up here and find out how many people would like to see the project approved, So Chair and
Supervisor, I would recommend against prejudging this. And again you have, this is a quasi-judicial since it's a limited parcel we need to go through the ex parte disclosures on it so really right now you're just deciding on the continuance issue and have not gone through the ex parte disclosures or gone through the quasi judicial process on this?
But there is nothing to stop us since we have almost did this on Rancho La Laguna. There's nothing to stop us from continuing the hearing later on in the hearing if we so choose? That's correct. So my suggestion would be to hold the hearing so that we don't get a bunch of people out from the public not able to say anything. And if after we've seen the presentation, we want to approve the project then we simply approve and if after we see it we are thinking about denying the project then we would request a continuance at that time. That would be
my suggestion. Mr. Chair I'm feeling really uncomfortable With this, when my office got, I think it was yesterday we got the request to move it forward so that staff had an opportunity to look at more of, to look at the documents. I stopped looking into it in depth because I thought it was going to be continued and I mean, we do that. We do continue things. I'm not saying, I feel that our staff is telling us they need time to look at these documents. I don't know what's in them. Maybe it is something that's, I just think it's more, to be more cautious is to give staff the opportunity to do the work that they said that they need to do. I don't see a lot of
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The input I got from my constituents was they're gonna show up and they're gonna show up in support. I have yet to have anyone in opposition, but it's possible.
Mr. Leibman? This thing's been going on forever, and when things are scheduled I'd like to hear them. And I got a big binder that I got to go through which was fun. So I know you do your homework and you've done everything but that last piece if that's added evidence later that supports what I'd like to do is hear it. And if we can't come to a decision fine, You know, and I think what Mr. Gazzone is saying is if we come to a decision of we're going to deny it then we extend it.
And so it's your district, I think you make the call and I would support your motion.
If I could just comment. Supervisor
Wolk?
I guess, just as my own Janet policy matter when county council and staff tell us that we should wait as much as I may not want to do that. I usually try and listen to them because I think there's a reason for doing that but anyway
We have a motion and we have a second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye.
In deference to the First District Supervisor, aye. Thank you.
And I'm going to say no in deference to ensuring that we're acting in the legally responsible way.
So Chair and Supervisors, this is an interesting situation in that you have an agendized matter with a staff recommendation to take an action different than the agenda. And you have a tie vote 2-2. Excuse me did I hear the vote wrong?
It's a 3-1 vote.
Okay I take that back.
Okay so now let's proceed with Montecito architectural guidelines and then hopefully lunch.
He's already written the record to staff, you can begin.
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Good morning Chair Williams and supervisors. My name is Jessie Steele and today I'm going to be presenting zoning ordinance and guidelines amendments for the Montecito Architectural Guidelines and Development Standards limited update phase two. The Board of Supervisors directed staff to consider limiting the size and or number of detached accessory buildings, hereby abbreviated DABs on residential lots in Montecito.
And phase two addresses these detached accessory buildings with a solid or permanent roof such as a garage, a guest house, or a carport. It does not address structures such as pools, tennis courts, or retaining walls. DABs contribute to the size, bulk and scale of residential development. And have greater visual impacts than other types of accessory structures.
DABs are not addressed in the guidelines and the zoning ordinances regulate the size and height of individual DAB's but some of those standards can be unclear. This has led to some noticeably large and tall DABs that are not compatible with the surrounding development and character of Montecito. Therefore, to address these issues staff conducted public outreach and worked with the MBAR and MPC to prepare limited amendments to the guidelines, Montecito Land Use and Development Code, and Coastal Zoning Ordinance as needed.
This limited update does not affect accessory dwelling units or ADUs, which will be regulated by new and separate ordinance amendments. This slide just quickly summarizes the proposed amendments that are included in your board letter packet. They also include definitions for accessory building and accessory dwelling unit and make minor text cleanups to the guidelines and zoning ordinances.
The following amendments to the guidelines and zoning ordinances have been approved by the MPC with a vote of four to zero. And the first one is to clarify that the building footprint includes unenclosed accessory structures. The Montecito Land Use and Development Code Air and Coastal Zoning Ordinance state that accessory structures may not exceed a building footprint of 800 square feet.
The proposed amendments clarified that the building footprint includes unenclosed accessory buildings such as carports and covered patios. The second item is to limit the height in the inland area to 25 feet. The Montecito Land Use and Development Code states that guest houses, artist studios and cabanas located in the inland area shall not exceed a height of 16 feet or contain more than one story.
But they may also be located above or below another accessory structure. This provision is unclear regarding how exactly to apply the 16 foot limit to a two story building. Therefore, the proposed amendments clarify that the height of a two-story guest house artist studio or cabana is 25 feet. The third issue is to clarify that the rear setback applies to the cumulative accessory structure footprint.
The zoning ordinances state that an accessory structure may not exceed 30% of the required rear setback. The proposed zoning ordinance amendments further clarify that the existing 30% limit applies to the cumulative footprint of all accessory structures that encroach into the rear setback area. The fourth issue we have is to limit lot coverage to 40%. And the zoning ordinances do not regulate the cumulative floor area of all buildings on a lot, which can easily lead to overdevelopment especially on small parcels. Usually those that are under an acre.
Therefore the proposed zoning ordinance amendments propose to limit the gross floor area of all buildings on a lot to 40% lot coverage. And lastly we have added new guidelines to limit the floor area of detached accessory buildings. The guidelines do not currently address detached accessory buildings, and therefore the proposed amendments will limit the cumulative net floor area of detached accessory buildings based on lot size.
For public outreach for phase two we conducted a public workshop at Westmont College had a meeting with the members of the Montecito Association Land Use Committee. Attended four meetings of the MBAR and we also submitted display ads to local newspapers, sent ads to community groups and interested individuals. And continuously updated a project webpage. And lastly, we presented the proposed amendments at two public hearings of the MPC.
CEQA guidelines section 15061B3, the general rule exemption states that activities are not subject to CEQA when it can be seen with certainty that there is no possibility that the activity will have a significant effect on the environment. The proposed amendments clarify and strengthen existing regulations, and do not permit more development than is currently allowed.
Therefore there is no possibility that the amendments will have a significant effect on the environment. The amendments to the guidelines, Monsito Land Use and Development Code and Coastal Zoning Ordinance are exempt from CEQA. And in addition the proposed coastal zoning ordinance and applicable guidelines amendments that apply to the coastal zone are exempt from CEQAs pursuant to guideline section 15265 which statutorily exempts local government activities involving a local coastal program amendment.
And lastly, staff recommends that your board take the following actions. First, make the required findings for approval included in attachment one including CEQA findings. Second, determine that the project is exempt from CEQA pursuant to guidelines sections 15061 and 15265. Third, adopt a resolution amending the guidelines and ordinances amending the Montecito Land Use and Development Code and Coastal Zoning Ordinance.
And lastly, adopt a resolution authorizing staff to submit the guidelines and coastal zoning ordinance amendments to the Coastal Commission for certification as a minor local coastal program amendment. And that concludes my presentation and staff is available to answer any questions.
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Questions from the board? Mr. Adam. Can you tell me what the difference is between a detached accessory building and an additional dwelling unit?
Chair Williams and Supervisor Adam, an accessory dwelling unit could be a detached accessory building. An accessory dwelling unit is or let me backtrack. A detached accessory building is any building that is separate from the residence that is enclosed with a solid permanent roof. So that could include a variety of things such as an accessory dwelling unit, a garage, even a carport.
Okay so the accessory dwelling unit rules always apply to those and then this would be a second set of rules that would be attempted to modify when you could put one of those up? Maybe I can
put
it this
way. How does it all work? Any detached ADU is a DAB, but not all DABs are detached ADUs. So the regulatory structure on the DABS is probably a little bit lighter than ADUs, I suppose.
Mr. Chair, Supervisors to be clear the proposed provisions we're making today do not affect the size or any aspects of approval of an ADU. ADUs will be regulated through a separate ordinance your board has considered that and will be reconsidering it shortly So everything we've done here, we've made particular attention to make sure that we don't affect ADUs. Those will be solely regulated through the ADU ordinances. There are some instances where when we're calculating coverage for example, we would take into consideration if there is an ADU But the regulations wouldn't affect the ADU. They may affect some other components such as a DAB or the size of a proposed home, but we wouldn't regulate the ADU those again would be regulated separately through the ADU ordinance which will be before you again shortly.
Okay thank you.
The questions I have is that there have been You know, several scenarios presented to staff over the last year and I resubmitted them earlier today. Could we go over just a couple of those scenarios and how that would affect or at least those that you've been able to take a look at? And I guess my sort of takeaway questions from those scenarios is there A plan could be a reduction of FAR, but still exceed the DAB. And in that case wouldn't we still want that?
Because reductions of FAR would reduce the size, bulk and scale of a project. And then the other question is was it the intent of the Montecito Planning Commission to include EAVS in all cases? because it does kind of conflict or at least disincentivize something that is usually needed pooling of a building, I guess there's, I could conceivably see where eaves could be used as a way to cheat the system. But I guess that would be very large eaves.
So was that question wrestled with at all? And I'm referring to some email correspondence between Mr. Overall and Mr. Watson but I think you have that.
Yes, Chair Williams, Supervisors. Ms. Steele will talk specifically about a couple of the scenarios to give you kind of our quick take on those. We did receive the copy of the email this morning and had an opportunity to look at a few of those scenarios but let me just touch upon your first two questions one regarding the FAR. The way we designed the guidelines in conjunction with recommendations from BAR and the MPC was to create opportunities for as much flexibility as possible. So while we have some size limitations on detached accessory buildings, we do allow situations where they can have a larger detached accessory building by decreasing the size of the primary residence for example. So the floor area of the primary residence could be decreased, and you could have a larger detached accessory building.
So we really tried to create as much opportunity for flexibility and personal accommodations as possible. Secondly, when we were looking at how we calculate floor areas- Can
I try to translate that? So in the rules if you are reducing the overall FAR, That's correct. Okay, I just wanted to get that into the record because that was one of the scenarios that Mr. O'Rourke presented.
Yes, Chair Williams, Supervisors again we wanted to allow flexibility and recognize that some individuals may have a preference for detached accessory buildings and maybe willing to reduce the size of their home in order to have those larger buildings so Floor areas and allow then the owner to design what they think is best suited for their needs. Again, it wouldn't affect the accessory dwelling unit size that would be regulated separately through the ADU ordinance.
Secondly, we do have some provisions where we talk about accessory structures and we talk about the footprint of the structure. And we did include a provision that under some certain circumstances portions of eaves would be counted. Basically what we factored in is very large eaves could contribute to the size bulk and scale and should be reflected. So what we did is we put in a provision that basically states eaves up to three feet in width would not be counted. Anything over three feet would be counted, so for example if you had eaves that were five foot in width.
You would only count essentially two feet of those, not the whole thing. So we think that that allows enough flexibility without overly penalizing someone who wants to have larger eaves for purposes of energy conservation for example.
Great I may have some other questions after public comment.
Yeah and then Mrs. Steele can touch upon just a couple of the scenarios that we did look at in Mr. Overall's email.
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Chair Williams, Supervisors. So one of the scenarios that was brought to our attention was one in which suppose you have a primary residence that is the maximum size allowable under the current guidelines and also an attached garage that is the maximum size under the current guidelines plus a 600 square foot detached accessory structure. And this would all be on a one acre parcel in the inland area.
So, in this case for a one acre parcel, the detached accessory building allowance as we've proposed it would be 810 square feet. So if they're only proposing 600 feet for the detached accessory building, they're well within their limits to do that. That would be fine. Another scenario that we had.
Can you just number them so I can keep them straight in my head? If you still have them numbered on that sheet, if you don't it's okay.
Excuse me, Chair Williams, that would be scenario number one. And then let's say we go to scenario number two where you have a smaller residence. It's 800 square feet. Under the recommended maximum currently in the guidelines, plus the same 800 square foot garage. And then they're proposing two detached accessory buildings which together would exceed the allowance.
That would be fine because they have reduced the size of the home and are proposing more detached accessory buildings so all in all it balances out their 800 square feet under on the house and 800 square feet over on their detached accessory buildings. So they're still keeping within that same recommended house net floor area limit. And then the third scenario that we wanted to cover was, again if you have a maximum size residence and garage but then you put in a request for 600 square foot attached ADU.
Frankly, these guidelines would not address the attached ADU. They do not apply.
Because that's the question in our ADU ordinance?
That is correct.
And that would be good for both scenario three and four?
Chair Williams, Supervisors. For scenario three attached ADUs are explicitly excluded from house net floor area calculations that's currently in the guidelines and for scenario number four where The only difference is it's a detached ADU. We would include the detached ADU in any calculations, but only for the purpose of potentially limiting other development on the lot. So if someone came in proposing a detached accessory building and a detached ADU and together They exceeded the allowance in the house net floor area. We would say, we're not going to limit the size of the ADU but the detached accessory building is too large.
Great and if you, in the future if you have time it'd be great to get the answers on that on the last couple but if you didn't have time to go over I understand. I think you answered number seven. So that helps me. We can go on to public comment. Chair
Williams, Supervisors we did go through the scenarios so we have notes on them and we could go through them if you'd like. That's-
You could just give me your notes on them, that'd be fine.
So for scenario number five where there is a detached garage, the detached garage would count towards the allowance. So in that case you would either need to have a smaller house to accommodate the extra detached accessory building floor area or decrease the size of the detached accessory buildings. And moving on to scenario number six, where everything has been constructed but there's an application for a 600 square foot detached ADU.
That ADU would not even go through MBAR, the ADU would be approved. Next is scenario 7 that deals with a roofed and enclosed 280 square foot patio. So because that would be enclosed and it has a solid permanent roof. If that was on a detached accessory building, the floor area of it would be included in these calculations for the detached accessory building allowance.
What if it is not completely covered? Is it still the first three feet isn't counted and anything further after that is? Meaning what if it's just a corner of the eaves or something like that? Is it still going to be the first three not counted of the?
Chair Williams, board members. I think in that case what we're really trying to distinguish is between say structures that do have a roof over them, solid roof versus things like trellises and such. So we really tried to make that difference between what would be counted and what would not. So if we have a situation where simply there's some projection of a trellis or something, some portion of it might fall under an eave. I don't think we would count it in that case. We're really focusing on the eave issue for the overall footprint of the structure as opposed to square footage.
Great.
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You already answered number eight. Thank you. Public comment?
Chair Williams, members of the board. We have two requests. We're going to hear from Corey Heyman and then John Watson.
Good morning, Chair Williams, members of the Board of Supervisors. I appreciate being here today and at the outset on behalf The community, the Montecito Association and myself. I want to acknowledge the strong unified leadership of this board in connection with the January 9 debris flow, its aftermath and the continuing recovery efforts. Turning to the issue at hand, the Montecito Association would like to thank you for funding this project. I believe it was fiscal year 2016 when it actually started so that we can actually complete the project by including the detached accessory structures to maintain neighborhood compatibility among Montecito. And as Mr. Bell pointed out, the strategy in pursuing the guideline revisions was to allow the maximum flexibility on the part of the property owner and its architects to design their property and their structures in a manner which they would like to do so.
So just giving them the FAR and they can decide where they want to put that square footage. Members of MBAR appeared to really support that concept. This effort was a collaboration among MBAR, MPC, the Association and the community. And so we respectfully request that this board adopt the staff recommendations. Thank you.
Mr. Watson?
My name is John Watson, I am chairman of the Montecito Board of Architectural Review but I'm not speaking on behalf of the board. I am speaking as an individual. I've lived in the community for 25 years. I was involved with the original drafting of the original guidelines, not the community plan but the guidelines. I've served on the NBAR this time, I think it's six years. I served on the ARC which previous to that, I think it was four years. It could have been only two, I can't remember.
And I have extensive experience when I was at the city on this general plan update committee member of the ABR. So I've been around a long time. I've seen a lot of regulations and things like that. When you drive around Santa Barbara County, every community has its own character. Montecito's primary character is that landscape not architecture is the primary visual quality of the community.
All of the attempts to try to limit the size of buildings and detach accessory structures and things of that nature, at least in my mind is to ensure that we get to maintain our oak forest. And we got to maintain our beautiful lanes. I think it' s important to understand that if we allow too much development to occur at least in my opinion that quality where landscape is dominant and architecture They will tell you that we have had vigorous discussions, which we have. But at the end of the day I think this is a very good recommendation. I think it solves many of the problems. It continues to ensure that there will not be overdevelopment in the community and I would highly recommend that you vote to adopt this.
Thank you.
To the board. Questions, comments? Is there a motion to approve? I'll move to approve. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you so much. We'll take are we ready for lunch break and closed session? So Mr.
Ghazani I'm Chair Williamson, Supervisors. We have a full closed session today that I estimate will be about two hours. You have nine litigation matters beginning with Baker versus County of Santa Barbara then Barrett versus County of Santa Barbara. Keller versus County of Santa Barbara, Stoianova, V Burke and County of Santa Barbara. Murray versus County of Santa Barbara, Gaviota Coast Conservancy versus Santa Barbara County.
A bankruptcy matter involving Venico LLC. One matter of significant exposure to civil litigation, one matter of deciding whether to initiate civil litigation and then conference with labor negotiators for all bargaining units on represented employees managers and executives in my estimate is two hours . . you You. Yeah. ♪
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We'll reconvene.
Chair Williams and supervisors, today in closed session the board considered ten items, nine litigation cases beginning with Baker versus County of Santa Barbara then Barrett versus County of Santa Barbara Keller versus County of Santa Barbara, Stoianova v Burke and County of Santa Barbara Murray v County of Santa Barbara, Gaviota Coast Conservancy v Santa Barbara County, Venaco Bankruptcy Matter One case of significant exposure to litigation and one case of deciding whether to initiate civil litigation as well as labor negotiations for all bargaining units, unrepresented employees, managers and executives. There are no reportable actions.
Let's take up D6.
Chair Williams, members of the board. Item D6 is from planning and development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations of the County Planning Commission to amend the county's environmental thresholds and guidelines manual by revising thresholds of significance to guide the county's environmental analysis of cultural resources of a project subject to CEQA.
Good afternoon, Chair Williams. Joyce Gerber and I are here to present the revised Guidelines for Determining Significance of and Impacts to Cultural Resources, Archeological, Historic, and Tribal Cultural Resources. So the purpose of this effort is to revise Chapter 8 of the Environmental Thresholds and Guidelines Manual. This is the manual that staff uses to conduct their CEQA analysis of discretionary land use permit projects. Currently chapter eight is entitled Cultural Resources Guidelines, Archeological Historic and Ethnic Elements.
I propose that it should be retitled to be guidelines for determining the significance of and impacts to cultural resources, archeological historic and tribal cultural resources. Here it is, here's the manual and as you can see it is periodically revised and added to. The last time we added something to this was the, you will remember the greenhouse gas threshold that was adopted a few years ago.
And here it is. Here are the various chapters and reading down the chapter list there. Chapter eight is the cultural resources guidelines. That is the one that is being proposed to be revised. So CEQA tells us that a threshold of significance is an identifiable quantitative, qualitative or performance level of a particular environmental effect non-compliance with. Which means the effect will normally be determined to be significant by the agency and you do an EIR. And compliance with which normally will be determined to be less than significant and you don't do any EIR Local thresholds of significance are commonly adopted by lead agencies. There's a CEQA guideline section that encourages local agencies to adopt and publish thresholds of significance that are basically tailored to the local circumstances and situation.
And we get, CEQA gives us broad discretion with regard to adopting these thresholds. And as with everything that we do they must be based on substantial evidence. This is the proposed initial study checklist section on cultural resources. This is what staff fills out when they do an analysis of potential impacts to cultural resources that would Result from the approval and carrying out of a project as defined in CEQA. And it talks about, A is really talking about potential impacts to the historic environment. B talks about prehistoric or historic archeological resources. C refers to disturbance of human remains and D is something new which I'll define a little bit more tribal cultural resources. This is a significant addition too.
And depending upon where you put your check, it helps determine which way you're going with your environmental document. If you have a no impact, it's a class three. If it's less than significant with mitigation, it's a class two. If its class one, it means that you're going to do an EIR because you have a potentially significant impact that can't be fully mitigated.
There's a process to revise the thresholds. The Environmental Thresholds and Guidelines Manual says that we should periodically amend, the Board of Supervisors shall periodically amend the manual. And they do it for a number of different potential reasons. New information or changed environmental circumstances? In this case, it's new information. CEQA, the state statutes have changed significantly since the last time these guidelines were adopted in like 1992.
The current guidelines refer to sections of the law that no longer exist and do not take advantage of all sorts of useful sections of the law that I will introduce shortly. Also, the Planning Commission has to hold notice public hearings in both the North and South County to consider, and in this case it is existing thresholds and the need for refinement or revision. That's what we're doing here.
There have been outreach to stakeholders, Native Americans, professional archaeologists, historians, historical architects, planners, the public through the hearing process. And I'm pleased to report that everybody is shaking their head up and down as opposed to sideways so I think most people are quite satisfied. We did the South County Planning Commission on December 20th, did the North County on January 10th.
Given the date, it was not very well attended as you might imagine. But we did that then and then I'm here in front of your board today. These thresholds have three parts and an appendix. The first part is in fact the guidelines. And these do three things. One, they identify those characteristics that qualify the resource as a significant cultural resource.
It explains how to evaluate the severity of potential impacts to significant cultural resources. And three, there's a discussion of mitigation that may avoid or lessen a potentially substantial adverse change. There's also an appendix which is a field work and reporting guidelines which I'll talk about in a moment. So categories of cultural resources, one of the confusing things about CEQA is that they refer to all cultural resources as historical resources. And when most people see the word historical, they think history, history, built environment but that's not really the case. Historical resources is a catch-all phrase that includes archaeological resources, tribal cultural resources and historic, that is the built environment resources.
So when you see the word historical it's all of those things. And historical resources are defined in the following way. First of all, it can be a number of different ways. One, it can be listed or determined eligible by the state for listing in the California Register of Historical Resources. It can be included in a local register of historical resources such as our landmarks list.
Or it can meet criteria that are used for determining whether something is eligible. And the nice thing about this criteria, this is usually the way we do it because this is the lead agency exercising their independent judgment using the following criteria. Is associated with events that have made a significant contribution to the broad patterns of California's history and cultural heritage.
Or is associated with the lives of persons important in our past. Or embodies the distinctive characteristics of a type, period, region or method of construction. Or represents the work of an important creative individual. Or possesses high artistic values. Or has yielded or may be likely to yield information important in prehistory or history. Typically this is what the consultants and staff are doing as they're applying these criteria to a resource that previously has not been formally treated.
And the last section, I won't read it but basically what it says is it makes it clear that the lead agency has broad discretion to apply these criteria to determine what qualifies as a historical resource. So in the, I won't spend a lot of time talking about these, but in the thresholds, I draw largely from state code because there's so much good stuff in state code and if you look at most resource areas in CEQA The CEQA statute and the CEQA guidelines don't really contain a lot of information, regulations, rules. But in the case of cultural resources it's almost all in there and so that's why we use it. It's state law, we're already required to use it. So now what I'm doing is putting it into format to make it easier for staff to be able to wade their way through this stuff.
So the types of historical resources, there's archeological sites. There's a whole section on that. They're unique and non-unique archeological sites. That's sort of an old set of categories that relates to the 1970s when you were very much restricted from doing very much with archaeological resources. And they were just either unique and you could do a little bit with them or You couldn't really do any mitigation at all. So the whole concept of historical resources was developed to sort of get around this dichotomy, but it's still in the code so we need to discuss it. And then there's the historic resources, the built environment. There's code on the local register of historical resources, for which we have two Santa Barbara County landmarks and places of historic merit.
There are requirements for historical resource surveys. We have a historical resource survey of Montecito, for example. And being on that survey alone will qualify you as a historical resource normally. And of course we have historic districts and landscapes and those would also qualify. The second part is significance determination and impact assessment. Real briefly, the way that archaeological resources are treated and the way that historic resources are treated are a little bit different. Phase one for archaeology basically you want to try to find out if there's something there so you go do a record search at university You do a sacred lands check with the Native American Heritage Commission, and then you go and you survey the property and see if there's any archeological sites there.
If there is, then you do phase two which is evaluating the significance and the impacts. This usually involves site testing and evaluation as to whether it meets one of the criteria that would qualify it as a historical resource, that is a significant cultural resource. If it is significant, you evaluate the impacts and propose mitigation. And if that's the case then phase 3 is in fact carrying out the mitigation.
We have a question from Supervisor Wolf.
Glenn, I'm sorry because I think I missed it but is a historical resource is the next step than a cultural resource?
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Through the Chair, Supervisor Wolf. The historical resource is a term of art in CEQA that includes archeology, historic buildings and tribal cultural resources. And so there are a number of sections in CEQAs about archaeology, a number of sections about tribal cultural resources and a number of sections about historic resources. But in the end they all funnel you back to this section on historical resources because that covers everything.
But what about cultural resources, where does that fit in the scheme? Or is that-
That is not a, they're all cultural resources. Okay I got you. And it's just not a term which has a lot of formal meaning in the context of CEQA but certainly they're all cultural resources.
Okay thank you
Historic sites, the process for historic sites is a little bit different. First of all you don't ever go looking to see if there's a historic building, you already know and so generally speaking your phase one, you already know something's there and you're doing your significance evaluation during phase one rather than looking to see if there's something there.
In phase two, you do your impact assessment and propose mitigation to find out if it is significant. And impact assessment proposed mitigation and then phase three is the mitigation which might be rehabilitation, reconstruction, adaptive reuse. The use of the Secretary of Interior's standards, doing technical recordation of the building. That's what the HABS-HAER documentation is.
There's sort of a different approach to mitigation. I'll have a little bit more to say about that. Now I want to take a moment and talk about something that's brand new. Or at least new within the last few years. And these are tribal cultural resources that were added to CEQA in 2015 pursuant to AB 52 from Assemblyman Gatto. I worked on this legislation a lot and also on the implementation guidelines, and the tribes were very, very interested in this legislation they had tried for Get a seat at the CEQA table, and every year it really didn't come to pass. This time it happened, they got it done.
And tribal cultural resources are basically features, places, sites, landscapes, sacred places, objects that have cultural value to a California Native American tribe. It points back to the California Register of Historical Resources, as everything does. But it is in fact a resource which is determined by the lead agency based upon substantial evidence to meet the criteria set forth in the historical resources section that I reviewed earlier.
One of the things that really makes this different Is that it recognizes that what's really important here is the significance of a resource to a California Native American tribe. So, that might be an archeological site. It could be an early building. It could be a gathering area and so it could be a sacred place. And so this is the first time that sort of more intangible kinds of resources are required to be considered in the context of CEQA review.
Such as cultural landscapes, or unique archaeological resources. One of the keys about AB 52 and tribal cultural resources is that consultation is required. It applies to all NDs, MNDs and EIRs. And first a tribe must request consultation. They must send the county a letter that says I want to engage in AB 52 consultation. Once they get that letter, and we've gotten one and we imagine we'll probably get some more. Then every time we are ready to release an ND, an MND or an EIR, we send them a letter and say hey do you want to consult on this project? And we do that within 14 days of calling the project application complete, and the tribe has to respond within 30 days.
Tribes are considered experts on tribal cultural resources, both the identification of and determining the appropriate mitigation. Information provided during the consultation process is confidential unless the tribe says you can release it. And this was one of the next piece here is something that I spent a lot of time working on when the legislation was going through.
What if you don't agree? Is there any way not to agree? If the tribes are the experts, what happens if you don't agree? Well, there is a section that basically says consultation ends once agreement is reached or there is no agreement. But it clearly gives tribes some authority in the process that they didn't have before. I've always consulted in earnest but there are places in California where that didn't happen and that's one of the reasons they decided to get this consultation requirement.
Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you, it's interesting that the information provided would be confidential because isn't it public if you're doing an EIR?
Except for this
Except for this consultation piece?
Yep.
Okay,
and then
once there's a determination made then it goes into the
EIR. There'll be discussion of it but there might be reference to specific locations or places that we can't divulge or the specific nature of why it is important to them. It could be a mountain where an ancestor Or an ancestral figure lives or something. And if they don't want us to divulge that, we are legally required not to do so. Makes it a little bit awkward to present your substantial evidence but you can do it.
Yeah, that does seem awkward.
It is, a bit.
Yeah.
So the- Question?
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I would imagine you don't want also to let people know where a tribal cultural resource might be if it's... I mean, I haven't seen the other side of it. Like you don't want someone to go out there and desecrate it or dig
it up? Supervisor Lavenino through the Chair. Absolutely that could be a burial ground which is known only to the tribe on private land and if that information gets out then it will get looted. So determining the severity of impacts to cultural resource. So typical adverse impacts include non-scientific surface collection or subsurface excavation, sometimes called pot hunting. Destruction through project development, indirect impacts by placing adjacent development, introduction of effects that are out of character or alter the setting, vandalism, modifications to buildings like remodeling, alteration, addition, demolition.
And CEQA for our benefit includes a definition of what a substantial adverse change is. And it refers to such things as physical demolition, destruction, relocation. But the key here is that demolishes or materially alters in an adverse manner those characteristics and historical resource that convey its historical significance. And a little bit more detail on demolition.
Mitigation and design considerations, they tend to vary depending upon the type of cultural resource. Archeological sites you avoid them if possible sometimes capping them with sterile soil. If you can't avoid them, you do scientific data recovery excavations. You save the collections in a museum. You put temporary fencing around them during construction. There's just some examples. Tribal cultural resources are a little bit different. You might protect the traditional use. Protect confidentiality.
The law allows permanent conservation easements to be given to tribes. And in the historic built environment, preservation in place is always preferred. You can landmark it, you can restore it using Secretary of Interior standards or you can do technical architectural documentation which ends up being housed in a museum in an archive in Washington DC. There are other aspects of CEQA that allow us to place conditions on projects that aren't really specifically involved with evaluating significance, but sort of what if. So if we know that there's a burial ground there There's a rule that says we have to work with the appropriate Native Americans as identified by the Native American Heritage Commission, it's required.
What about accidental discovery of human remains which happened not that long ago down on Fernal Point when somebody was digging a pool and hit a burial? And you have to contact the coroner, determine if it's Native American remains and then you contact the heritage commission who identifies a most likely descendant whose responsibility it is to negotiate with the landowner and Hopefully come to a mutually agreeable solution as to how the remains should be treated. Usually they're reinterred in a place that's not going to be disturbed.
And we actually have, we placed conditions pursuant to another section that talks about accidental discovery of just archeological material. What happens if you hit a buried archaeological site? You have to stop and take care of it. So I did these guidelines with Joyce's help, and people said you gotta do more. They said when you guys are gone we need to have the rules about what constitutes an appropriate report and appropriate field work. And so we ended up having to do A second document, which will become an appendix to the Thresholds Manual. And it replaces something called Regulations Governing Cultural Resource Projects Undertaken in Conformance with Federal and State Environmental Protection Acts. That was a document devised by staff in the early 1990's that was never formally recognized by the board.
And the purpose of the new guidelines is to make it clear what information is required to be presented in reports, provide guidelines that Say what constitutes adequate field work and analysis. And also provide a consistent report format so that staff can easily, quickly and without wasting a lot of time and money find the information they need. So, those are done.
Here are the recommendations and this is a slightly different recommendation because I received a set of editorial comments late in the game but in fact I said well maybe we can just ignore these but they were really good comments So there were a few editorial changes that were made and the two documents that I've been referring to were substituted on February 20th. And those were distributed to you as well, so that's the reason for the slight change in the recommendation.
So with that, I'm happy to answer questions but that's what this entails. Supervise Wolf?
Thank you Mr. Chair, Glenn I just want to thank you and Joyce this was I mean it's really exceptional work it's a little esoteric but obviously something that I think probably all planners in California will look too. I think we could be really proud in Santa Barbara that you guys led this charge to get us to this document. I think it's fantastic and So thank you.
Supervisor Wolfe, thank you very much. There's already interest across the state. Riverside has downloaded the document already because they're interested in using it. The city of Goleta has expressed some interest in it as well so I think that we're going to make it widely available and it's not perfect but it's not bad. Are there any requests to speak?
No request to speak.
Well I'll just say that I know you have a tremendous passion for this. This is, you know...I have a passion for the larger subject matter though not as much diligence on the details that you do but I think it's It's joyous for me to see you be able to do some work that you really, really are passionate about.
So it's great to see this. Thank you very much Chair Williams. This is something that I've been meaning to do ever since I got here and for some reason I just never was able to get to it or get resources to have a consultant do it in about a year ago. I said if I don't do this, it's not going to get done. And there was a lot more work than I thought it was going to be.
Any other comments or questions from the board? Supervisor Wolf.
I was going to make a motion that we accept the recommendations A, B and C as noted and a special thank you.
Is there a second? Second. There's a motion in second to the motion. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank You Mr. Ross.
Thank you
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One last item
Chair Williams and members of the board, this is item seven from planning and development. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the O'Neill residence variance general plan amendment and rezone. This is involving a property located at 2551 Wallace Avenue in Summerlin area in the first district.
Mr. Chair
first we need to disclose ex-party communications so why don't we just go in a row? Supervisor Wolff.
Thank you I'll do that maybe after we do this you can tell us what the what the process is going to be as far as, you know, what our last conversation was. If we're moving forward to make a decision I'd just like to be clear on January 31st my staff and I met with Susan Petrovich attorney representing Mr. O'Neill the property owner and subsequent to that meeting my staff received a phone call from Mr.
Mr. Adam. I had a meeting with Ms. Petrovich in my office and I can't remember the day, was it a couple weeks ago? So within the last three weeks sometime, three four weeks. Sometime if that's enough and then she called me last night and left a message but I didn't respond so I don't know whether that's ex parte or not.
Belt and suspenders I guess. I have met with both the landowner and Ms. Petrovich, I guess I would say on both of them the week before last or last week and once before that probably about six Eight months ago, it was one of several topics of conversation at the Nugget with Miss Petrovich. And before that, before I took office, I did do a site visit at the location.
This must have been late 2016.
I had a meeting with Ms. Petrovich in my office on January 22nd, and I visited the location and met with Mr. O'Neill. This had to be holy cow. I don't know how far back ex parte goes. My calendar doesn't go back that far so it's been two or three years at this point.
If we go back from before our last hearing, I also met out at Mr. O'Neill's home with Mr.O'Neill and it was a long time ago. And maybe one of his representatives, I don't recall but I did visit the site.
It's like confession you just more comes to mind as you say things. I also had a conversation on the phone yesterday with Ms. Petrovich and I can't quite find that place in the calendar what that meeting was. Okay, I think what we should do is proceed as we normally do with appeals. I think that's 10 minutes each between staff and something like that?
Mr. Chair, typically we don't include staff in the appeal time. It's really a staff presentation since it's a first party appeal. It's really just hearing from the applicant, taking public testimony. And then if there is any rebuttal based upon the public testimony allowing the appellant to provide some rebuttal.
Good afternoon, Chair Williams, members of the board. As you know I'm presenting the O'Neill project today. It was last reviewed by your board in August of 2015. The project is located at 2551 Wallace Avenue in the Summerland area and it is located south of Highway 101 and south of the railroad tracks on a coastal bluff. The zoning and land use designation for the property is recreation, and has been since 1984 with adoption of the local coastal plan.
The properties on all four sides of the subject property are zoned transportation corridor. And are owned by the Southern Pacific Railroad. The project is also located within the view corridor overlay. The proposed project is for demolition of a 1,443 square foot residence construction of a new 2,218 square foot residence. A variance request to allow a north setback of two feet four inches instead of the required ten.
An east setback of eight feet instead of the required ten, and zero uncovered parking spaces instead of the required two uncovered parking spaces. The project also requests a general plan amendment to amend the local coastal plan to change the land use designation of the property from recreation open space to residential and a rezone to change the zoning of the property from recreation to 7R1.
This slide shows elevations of the proposed residence. I will provide a brief background of the recent history of the project. There's quite a bit before this, but just the recent history in August of 2015, the Planning Commission recommended denial of the project. In November of 2015 your board referred the project back to planning and development and directed staff to complete environmental review and draft findings for approval.
From November 2015 through January 2018, the applicant prepared revised plans for BAR review. BAR review process lasted from January 2016 to February 2017 and then separately from September 2016 to November 2016, the geologic review process was completed. Lastly, from August 2017 through November 2017 the Native American Consultation Noticing Period for SBA 18 was completed.
This slide shows the subject property outlined in yellow and the green area denotes all of the property that's owned by Southern Pacific Railroad. Wallace Avenue terminates at the northwest corner of the subject property touching it by a single point. There are also no existing access easements to the property, therefore staff believes that no adequate access to the site exists.
The required geologic setback to meet the 75 year standard required by coastal policy 3-4 is 27 feet. However, the project proposes a setback of 24 feet and therefore is inconsistent with this policy requirement. In addition there's no existing sewer line easement and the findings for the variance to reduce parking spaces to zero cannot be made. Based on this information, staff has recommended denial of the proposed project. However in our board letter we have also included the findings and all necessary analysis to approve the project and we have a recommended action for approval already as well.
Staff's recommendation is that you make the required findings for denial of the project including CEQA findings. Determine that the denial is exempt from CEQA pursuant to section 15270B, and that you deny the project. That will conclude staff's presentation.
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Questions to staff before we go to the applicant? Supervisor Wolff.
Thank you, I just want to ask so you feel comfortable with your continued recommendation subsequent to our last discussion? Has anything changed?
Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Wolf, our recommendation is based upon the information prior to the receipt of the 300 some page documents that we received towards the end of last week. So our recommendation is based on what is in the record prior to the receipt of those documents.
Okay thank you for that so my question has to do with a sewer line easement Was there a can and will serve letter for this property? And if so, how does that comport with what is stated here. Is it just that they have the capacity but there's no way to get the line there? Chair Williams
and Supervisor Wolf, that's correct. Attached to as a part of attachment six is the Summerland Sanitary District sewer service availability letter that states that sewer capacity one single family dwelling is presently available but it requires the applicant's responsibility to construct and obtain any easements that are required for And the project plans and our correspondence with the applicant have shown us that there's no existing easement, so they need to obtain an easement.
And that's over the railroad property? Or under the, I don't, it's under.
Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolfe from staffs position it would be partially over railroad property, that easement. Thank you.
We'll take it to the appellant, and the standard is ten minutes. So let's
put that- I can't quite make ten minutes but I'm going to be moving pretty fast
here. Okay move fast.
I will. So I need a pointer though. Thanks. My name is Susan Petrovich and I'm here representing Jeff O'Neill who is the, come on. It's not, that's not what I meant to do. It's not responding. Yeah, it turned off. I'll turn it back on again but it's not clicking though. I can't make it move. I can't do my PowerPoint without making it move.
We got to help. Time's up. That's it. Ten minutes! No, just kidding.
Chair William and Supervisors, while we're waiting for this to go forward just a minor clarification. Although we've called it an appeal a few times conversationally really the path on this is that the process goes for recommendation at the Planning Commission then it comes to the Board for action. It's not actually a denied event? Just a little bit different. Repeat that one more time? So although it's conversationally been referred to as an appeal a few times, the process here is that it goes to the Planning Commission for a recommendation and all of that was a denial this is not an appeal you're just informed by that denial.
Got it I think.
Mr. Williams. Yes Mr. Adam. Could we set the time back to 10 minutes since... Oh yes! We are going to do that.
He was just kidding I think. Okay, shall I go? Thank you. So there are these four issues that the staff has raised legal access, inadequate bluff setback, no sewer easement and no grounds for variance. None of those are valid. No access is the key issue, so I'm going to move on to the others. The bluff setback, first of all it applies only to new development areas. This is not a new development area. This house has been there for over 100 years. This is replacement of an existing policy or existing structure, so the policy doesn't apply.
Now, I think that there's an exception to the 75 year setback because in fact it would make such a tiny little house. It's not really buildable so the 50 would apply but I think he meets it anyway at least he comes within a whisker of it and here's the actual set back. The staff drew a straight line. The bluff isn't a straight line. Oops sorry hit the wrong button that time.
Is like this, well so our line corresponds to the bluff. And as you can see this little porch here, this covered porch just maybe a little bit over, a little bit under it's so close it's hard to call. But the fact is that approving this is not in any way a violation of your policy. And then there's the sewer access. We have this can and will serve letter, and it's in your packet.
The sewer line will follow the same route as existing water lines serving the structure that's been there for as long as history remembers in the public road that's known as Wallace Avenue. This is the same road that provides access to the Summerlin Sanitary Plant. And incidentally, of course since the staff rejects our notion that Wallace Avenue in fact is public and in existence. Of course they reject that position regarding the sewer line. So we've got the variance and as you can see your policy provides that you get a variance in unusual circumstances due to size, shape, and topography.
That certainly applies here. This is a very, very small lot with a huge bluff setback. We believe there is physical and legal access both. Let's just review the physical access first since that's the simplest. Here is the O'Neill property. This is Wallace Avenue, this is where magically they've never explained how, the county road just ends and the fact that it continues on doesn't seem to be of any meaning to the staff.
Here is a 1947 aerial photo. Same thing, you've got the crossing. Here you come past the O'Neill property and here's the Greenwell Avenue crossing. You may recall there's a 1965 letter from Leland Stewart, the road commissioner saying that that crossing is going to go away at Greenwell but it didn't by 1969. You've got the same road going past the same O'Neill property and Here we are in 1972, same thing. The road is still there, it's clearly visible.
The Greenwell Crossing by this time is gone. You've got 1983, same thing, very easy to see this road. It's still very much in existence. The same is true in Sorry, I skipped a couple. 2002 still there, 2013 it's still there and you can even see the public parking down here this white vehicle that's near the access that I'm going to mention later, the access down to the beach.
That the county has been built and has been maintaining for a very long time. Here's a picture taken from in front of Jeff's house looking up Wallace Avenue to the west, here it is right in front of his house. So I think that takes care of the physical access. There's been a road there for a very long time, certainly much longer than we need to worry about. So here we have the legal access issue. It's a little more complicated.
Mr. Williams who owns Summerlin conveyed all of the public areas, the streets included, to this trust. To have and to hold news for the benefit of the public and the citizens, residents and inhabitants of the City of Summerlin. Of course, the city of Summerlin never happened so the trust never transferred this property. The streets are still owned by the trust.
So in September, that was in August. This is September of 1890. Williams offers to the county to dedicate certain streets for public access. I'm still baffled as to how Williams who was not a trustee of the trust did this but in any event he did and the county accepted the offer. There was never anything recorded but the county did accept the offer of the named avenues and this did not include the unnamed access that goes right in front Jeff's house and that is now called either Wallace or Finney depending on who you're talking to, but it had different names. So in 1901 the board is accommodating the railroad who needs to relocate and Grant purports to grant to them New streets, streets that are named though again not the unnamed access. Again the county did not have ownership either an easement or a fee ownership of the unnamed access.
But what I thought was important is that the county's ordinance refers to the fact that the line change will be pursuant to exhibit A. Well, Exhibit A is a diagonal line. Sorry I think I went past. Exhibit A first this is the unnamed so here's the unnamed access road it's not Wallace it's not Finney it is an unnamed access road despite its change of name over time and Here is where the railroad line went. This is the unnamed access road coming along, this is the O'Neill property and this red line is what is shown on exhibit A to ordinance 247.
You see it here again on the railroad's own map that was attached to the lease where they leased their lots on both sides of Jeff's property for landscaping. So they don't believe they own Wallace Finney, they know that their railroad track goes across it and here is the line in red so you can see it better and you can see there's a lot of room here in front of his property for an access road But it gets more interesting, we also came up with a number of deeds and plans and records of survey.
I won't go into the deeds because you've got them in your packet but I really think it's worth showing you again the records of survey plus another record of survey and some plans we found since the 2015 hearing. So here is Jeff's property and here is that diagonal line and this is shown in 1920. And I know it's hard to read, so we did a blow up of that. Again you can see there is more than half width of Finney in front of Jeff's property here.
More than 30 feet and then it narrows down. It never completely dwindles. There's still room in front of these railroad owned properties for Wallace and Finney and in fact it's physically still there. But I don't know how the staff can ignore these things and incidentally this is the Flournoy Record of Survey that we showed in 2015. But we found another one.
This one is a survey by Ray Martin done in 1963, same result half of the road right-of-way remains and it was an existing gravel road that's being shown as a dotted line so physically and legally it's shown on this survey map And then this was in the same map we showed you in 2015. It's a 1952, it's called the Harold Sumida Record of Survey again done by licensed surveyors as were the other two.
Plus it shows you that the existing house actually encroaches just a little bit few feet over the Wallace Avenue right-of-way line. So those are records of survey, recorded by licensed surveyors. And then you have your own county assessor's map from 1968 acknowledging or representing that Wallace Avenue is still there. So we also found some plans, and again these are plans that the county and Caltrans worked up. And again they show Wallace Avenue going off, they don't call it that but show it coming off here and going to the east.
But this took some digging to find but this is particularly interesting. This is a 1926 inventory of Southern Pacific's rights-of-way and tracks. And I'm going to turn to this, gonna go ahead on this slide a little bit. It's hard for me to read this from that distance and Which is the one that pertains to Wallace Avenue and what the railroad got from Wallace Avenue. Notes that the document by which they acquired this franchise, they don't even call it an easement because it's not an easement, was unrecorded and shows a diagonal line for the tracks. And I'll take you back on that for that one. There's the same diagonal line that those records of survey show comes right across here.
And again, here's the half width. And you'll notice the dotted lines here, that's because they have a franchise to this. Not, I've learned all this in the last few weeks, not an easement or fee. Particularly not a fee. They have a cheap franchise, so what is a franchise? It's something less than an easement but it's something that a city or county can grant to a utility to allow it to use the public road. Now if they pull out of the public road or public area, it doesn't have to be a road. If they pull out, they lose all interest in that.
Because it's not an easement. They don't keep rights in it, and they more often than not share that public road with the public. And in this case now both the public going to the beach and Mr. O'Neill. So quickly. The case law, I'm not going to bore you with the case law except to say that this case to me is very relevant because it was a landowner who was complaining that the county was depriving them of their access to the public roadway by closing a railroad crossing.
And the county of course and the railroad claimed that they had a statute of limitation because They had done this many years previous, but they voted to do it many years previously. But they never physically did it until later long after any statute of limitation would have expired and the court said no, no. It's not until you physically deprive him of the right that the action accrues. So if anybody was thinking that just because Adopted Ordinance 247 long ago doesn't change the fact that if this county votes to deny the right to build because there's no access, because the county gave it away. I think the county is admitting liability and I don't think that's a good idea.
So this is the county's historic position. Leland Stewart, who'd be basically Department of Transportation now, Public Works said well we probably lost Wallace but we've been maintaining it and we believe we have a prescriptive right away. And then in 1988 you have the county staff Suggesting that the recreation zoning was a mistake, it was inadvertent. They support a fee waiver for an LCP amendment and rezone to put it back to residential That didn't happen, but here now almost ten years later you've got again the issue coming up because Jeff needed a water line replacement. And it's in Wallace Avenue, the water line is and again the county staff said well it's certainly consistent with the comprehensive plan including the coastal land use permit and it was inadvertently rezoned to wreck and it should go back.
Nothing happened. In 2007, or I should go back to here because I think this is where the county went wrong. The county adopted this policy 7-9 that says the county shall acquire the beach and bluff south of Wallace Avenue. This was the Coastal Commission approved this in 1981. I think they were talking about the railroad property. I don't think they ever believed they could just take somebody's house away, but in any event that is what caused the rezone three years later.
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Can you wrap up and can
you concentrate on the...
On the conditions of
approval because that's important. Yeah, I'm almost there, I really am. So anyway, so in 2007 when we started this process, I asked the staff to give me a letter. And I asked the staff to go to the Coastal Commission staff and make sure we weren't wasting our time going through a permit process. And this letter resulted saying nope, we should do this. So that takes me to the conditions.
Condition 5 restricts construction hours. Now, how does that make sense in this very remote property that has no residents around it? And not only that, it will slow down getting the house completed. 12 and 13 have two separate they actually address the same issue but in two separate ways and I believe that provides for ambiguity so what I did was combine them so As stated.
And then condition 15, again I apologize for the letter saying number 20 says that the CDP expires one year from board action. Well today's your board action. If anybody appeals this to the Coastal Commission there is no way in the world that we could get the house, get the permit and start building in one year. It should be one year from the effective date of the CDP not from your action here because And then What the county staff is claiming is the right of way is Wallace Avenue. And yes, we do have to have a sewer line and yes Jeff would probably like to replace his waterline and the railroad cut off his phone service a few weeks ago by taking down a pole so yes he wants to get a phone line in.
Please delete that condition it's ridiculous. Attachment 5, these are the findings and I'm not going to go into this in detail. But I think you need to include in the findings and that's what I did in the redlining a mention that this is a replacement house it's not a whole new project And then add the reasons why it's not suitable for recreation, including that it's high above the sandy beach. There's no trailer staircase connecting the two. There's an access road existing that's used by the public for access and for parking. And Summerlin Beach is adjacent. There's a ramp down to Summerlin Beach. There just no reason why this needs to be recreation. And then that you add to the Coastal Commission findings this history of residential use on the property and And then the unsuitability for, and that should say recreational use.
Sorry, that was a typo. And then the fact that the public road that serves the residents is certainly wide enough for this one residence but it wouldn't be suitable for public traffic. And that it's a legally created lot and that the county road is immediately north of the site not the railroad. On 10, we need an acknowledgement that the sewer line will be in the existing county road. So that this statement that you have to get an easement from the railroad will be changed to we have to get an encroachment permit because that's what it is. We'll be not in the railroads right away. We will be on Wallace Avenue and I think it's only fair to note that the county has already assigned an address to this property decades ago.
on Wallace Avenue. Either find that it's consistent enough with the 75-year setback to satisfy your policy or that the 50-year policy applies. And then I think it's important to include the fact that Jeff has consented to conditions that protect the county from any liability if the bluff retreats, he's willing to agree to those conditions. And since you've got a policy 7-9, I think you should include why it doesn't preclude this zoning change to residential and why the property isn't suitable for public or private recreation.
And then the same sort of things here, as I've just mentioned above for attachment 11. And I think it would be wise to include that the existing house encroaches in the county road but the proposed will not. We're getting it out of the county road with this project. So just in conclusion, I think we provided overwhelming-
Why don't you let members of the public and the applicant make this conclusion? Let's go to public comment.
Okay thank you very much. I know when to shut up.
I was just going to have a little point of order, but I was waiting for 10 minutes over so that I could point out that we were... I don't know what the point behind giving any kind of time would be and how you treat other people the same way in the future.
I apologize for my restiness as chair during appeals. I've never done an appeal, but I thought that everybody knows it's ten minutes.
Well every chair has a different... Every chair has a different time and this is not an appeal so it is our presentation basically. Our first full presentation to you on the project.
Well next appeal is 10.
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Supervisor Wolf. Thank you. So I'm kind of stuck on this whole thing with the sewer and the water. And you said that you want to change the conditions? No, it was a finding. The findings okay to change it. So do you have a waterline encroachment permit from the county?
Yes, I believe you did didn't you yeah when he got when he got the permit that's what that 1988 discussion was about 19 I'm
sorry the Coastal Commission or that it was from the county okay
mm-hmm
see ya all right thank you That's it. Thank
you.
Thank you. Public comment?
We have three requests, we'll first hear from Jeffrey O'Neill then we'll hear from Reeve Wolpert
I'll be brief because I wasn't even planning to speak today but I mentioned something to Susan just before the hearing started and she thought I should get up and mention it When I bought the house, there was no running water. The current water line which went under the railroad and under the freeway and my water meter was in front of Joe's Market on the other side of Lilly Avenue.
So without...and they wouldn't let it be turned back on because it was leaking so much water that they were afraid it would destabilize the 101. So I wasn't going to close escrow with no running water. So the prior owners got a easement and encroachment permit from Santa Barbara County and fixed the water, it was returned in good working order. And the other issue that was enlisted in my concerns about closing escrow was the access which had always been over the land to the west which is owned by the railroad never denied that.
The road, we're south. The railroad owns some land to the west and the land of these. They had been talking about leasing that land when Union Pacific bought out Southern Pacific, but in negotiations with the prior owner they went too far and it turned into a legal thing and there was bad blood. And so they no longer wanted to lease the land to the West so you could drive, park, come and go the way it had always been.
But then they changed their mind at the last minute. The railroad called out of the blue and said, well you know what we will lease that land to you after all. And the reason was because there's a gate blocking the road that's oh 40 feet to the west of my property and they didn't want to have to move Part of Wallace Avenue immediately to the north of my property, allowing me my legal access to the north. So at that point in time, the railroad seemed to agree they did not own Wallace Avenue or former Wallace Avenue or unnamed Wallace Avenue or whatever you want to call it in fee simple or any other form because that gate they felt would have obstructed my only access to the property which they agreed was to the north.
So rather than move that gate, because it was located close to a fiber optic cable and they didn't want to disturb the soils. They decided to relent and lease me the land. And that was so between the zoning letter saying the zoning was inadvertent The return of the water and the solving of this access issue to my satisfaction by the railroad admitting that they had to allow me to the north.
I felt comfortable in buying the property because some people wondered why I did such a crazy thing and bought a property that had zoning questions, access questions, and no running water but I felt that I had solved all those before that because that was 96. It's 2018, thank you.
Reeve Wolpert and we'll hear from John Heil who will be our last speaker.
Thank you Chair Williams and honorable board. I'd like to start with thanking Supervisor Williams for publicly here because we've met often on regarding issues in Summerland since the disasters in Montecito and That you're able to find in your busy, busy schedule the time to talk to us about our issues. I appreciate that a lot. The presentation by Miss Petrovich was exciting.
I love Summerlin so much, I just love to hear a discussion of our history and those details. We have a fabulous little community. I've submitted a letter, hopefully you've all seen that and read that. And I think it's clear in that letter my admiration for the applicant and how strongly I feel about the role he's played in our community all the years we've been there together.
I'll have an opinion for you at the end of my comments here, but first I wanted to provide further evidence of my involvement in my community. I've been speaking to this board since Supervisor Frost was our supervisor in the First District. Some of the issues I've been involved in Oil, the Becker Well which is being taken care of now. Padero Lane access, beach access. Loon Point Beach Access.
Improvements to our park that's looking beautiful at Lookout Park in Summerland. Parks Department is doing a fabulous job. Undergrounding of Via Real Utilities. We used to have these awful telephone poles there and no longer do we. Lilly Avenue improvements, commercial area improvements. That was a substantial project of the county and our community members. I was on the water board when we had a water district, I served on the SunPAC committee, I was appointed to that committee by Supervisor Carbajal. And I served on the 1986 and 1992 Community Plan Committees.
I was on the BAR for over probably 200 projects between 1985 and the early 90s when we were expanding rapidly after our water moratorium ceased. I'm working presently on one-on-one impacts, I'm involved with the school, the fire station, my homeless neighbors, trail acquisition and protection, graffiti removal, green well preserve and road maintenance. It appears that A discussion has been what's best for the community. I think my perspective is well-bodied.
I believe that what's best for the community is that the approval be for the O'Neill project and I hope your approval includes the affirmation that Wallace Avenue is public, it is very very public in our mind, the way we use it and that public road continues to Jeff's house
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Thank you very much. My thanks, Board Chair and Supervisors. My name is John Heil. I've been a resident of Summerlin for about 10 years which roughly corresponds to the amount of time this issue has been tangled up and we hope to resolve. I speak today representing myself but I know of no one here today or even in the community that is in dissension of this. They're all supportive of this. We all look forward to its resolution and I think Jeff's case As presented today is further evidence of the strength of it. By the way, it's not an emotional appeal. I support what Reeves said. He's a stellar member of the community but to me it's very fact based and seems abundantly clear as its been presented. One thing I'm certain is that we can all agree that the unresolved matter is not serving any acceptable purpose.
The dilapidated building and graffiti that's right in front of me and several other people has long since been a poor reflection on the community that we live in and you serve. I'd love to see his proposed architecture drawings put into place, I think it would be fantastic for the community. I thought we had this resolved more than two years ago when I think 90 days given to an extension to get some additional facts and here we are more than two years later, but I'll just leave it at that. I give my full support.
I believe the community is fully in supportive of this too. Thank you.
That concludes public comment
Staff have responses that they care to do at least on stuff that is solidly in the record previous to Friday.
Mr. Chair, I think while we could go through and we could rebut The applicant's presentation, I'm not sure that's really going to serve much of a purpose. I think Nicole may have a couple things she wants to clarify and then we are happy to answer questions of the board. Happy to comment on the conditions. We are absolutely not prepared to address the extensive changes to findings that are proposed by the applicant today but we will be able to respond to the condition changes should your board want to go there. So I'll ask Nicole to just raise a couple of issues or address a couple of issues.
Chair and members of the board, as Diane said I'll keep this brief and won't refute everything unless you have specific questions. And if you do get to the point where you want to go through the changes to the project conditions staff does have recommended Changes or acceptance or non-acceptance to particular condition changes as proposed by Ms. Petrovich, but just one thing that I did want to clarify is that it has not been our contention that Wallace Avenue does not exist. It is that Wallace Avenue, the portion of Wallace Avenue shown in green on the slide here was quit claimed to the railroad.
In 1901 through Ordinance 247, I just wanted to clarify that we do believe that Wallace Avenue exists west of the property. And that's the only clarification I wanted to make. Thank you.
Supervisor Wolff?
So when I again, I'm kind of harping on the sewer thing because what I heard from Mr. O'Neill was that I guess he lived in on the property and had water service. That's why we talked about the meter across someplace else but has he ever had sewer service or any other utilities? I know the telephone was mentioned but how about electrical and gas?
Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolfe, as far as other utilities the only one that I'm aware of is the septic sanitary. There I checked with environmental health services and what is on the property has existed there likely since the time the home existed there. She referred to it as a cesspool. There's no official
other septic service to the property. So it's a septic system and it's been approved by public
health? Chair, Supervisor Wolff, Public Health did not have records of a system on the property.
Because it predates-
It would've- Correct.
Public Health?
Correct. How about other utilities? I do not have information on other utilities to this site.
I think we should refer that to the-
There is both gas, electricity and phone. And then another
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I thought Ms. Petrovich said Wallace Avenue, that portion to the west is private but then a public speaker said it's public. I just may have misinterpreted that. Is Wallace private or public?
Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolfe, my understanding is that Wallace is public. And I think that Ms. Petrovich made a couple of arguments. One of the arguments was that all of the streets still remain in a trust that I assume she refers to as being privately owned but she also made the argument That if the county did have possession of Wallace Avenue, that we did not quit claim the area north of his property. So I think she had a couple of arguments but our position is that Wallace Avenue is public but that the portion of Wallace Avenue immediately north of Mr. O'Neill's property was quit claimed in 1901. Okay thank you.
I recall back in 15, I thought we approved this project. And I'm kind of unclear about how it got back.
You did?
No, actually Mr. Chair and Commissioner or Supervisor Adam the board directed us to bring it back with findings for approval and that's what we've done you didn't tell us we had to recommend approval you told us to come back with findings for approval you didn't say you were going to approve it you wanted to consider it and it took all of that time back and forth with the applicant to get it back here. We intended to bring it back before Supervisor Carbajal left office, and that did not happen.
Okay. All right well I still support the project. I think you know the fact... And we went through this with a project over in San Ynez a few years ago as well. These old houses are you know they have just as much right to be there A new house, and in fact you could probably righteously inflict different standards on a new house other than those you could righteously inflict on an old house. And that doesn't mean that we can't inflict them but I think it's not righteous so I just think the fact The house has been there and continuously occupied is absolute proof of the access.
And that whole access issue is just a red herring to me, and I'm okay with all of the findings that the applicant is suggesting. Except for maybe the fact that it's not appropriate, you know, for recreational purposes because that's a judgment statement and anybody can have fun anywhere. If you tore the house down somebody could play frisbee there and it would be fun.
Or have a barbecue or whatever. So it could be recreational, but I'm not arguing that it should be because it's his house. So I don't know what kind of motion Supervisor Williams has in mind because I'll defer to whatever he wants to do.
I do think there's a certain amount of murkiness to all this. So, I don't really cast aspersions on either side but to me in the murkiness we as an agency should take aside in the murkiness and in my view we should take aside especially when there's this much murkiness with the community
right?
And that community is Very atypically united. I mean, when does it happen in the south coast of Santa Barbara County that a community is unanimous or at least as far as I've found unanimously in support of a development project? Coastal development project. That's never- And so to me, if there is any doubt it still means that we have a duty in the doubt to decide with the community. So that's why I hope that we will have a motion to approve and I just ask that we give staff the option to respond to the conditions before we impose conditions.
Does the board want to approve this project? Then let's talk about conditions and then let's talk about findings, which I think is harder for staff to respond to. Can I get a motion for approval?
So moved. Second.
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Chair, Chair Williamson and Supervisors at this point are you saying a conceptual motion?
It would be a conceptual motion. Sort of like a straw poll Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you Mr. Chair, just for discussion purposes I'm inclined to deny based on everything that I've seen and read but as was stated in information from County Council that our staff hasn't even looked at or has the And has all of that pile of material and hasn't looked at it to make a final recommendation. So I'm going to abstain, I think this is the first time in my career that I've abstained from a vote but there is not It's just very questionable. The evidence is very questionable and I can't make the findings when you get to the issue of public benefit, not sure what the public benefits going to be but anyway that will be my vote.
So there's a conceptual motion in a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstention.
I abstain.
So the conditions of approval, staff could you comment on the request for changes of conditions of approval?
Yes, Chair Williams. One change which we of course agree with is in the project description I had erroneously written 2,281 square feet and it should be 2,218 square feet. That wasn't called out in Mrs. Petrovich's letter specifically but that's a change that we would want to make on condition number five which refers-
Thank you for your honesty. You could have really cooked the books on that one.
Condition number five is a standard condition that we typically place for noise protection. But Ms. Petrovich is correct, there are not nearby sensitive noise receptors so we would be okay with deletion of condition number five. Conditions 12 and 13 are standard conditions and staff Would prefer to keep them separated. We do not see a need to combine them as Ms. Petrovich has suggested, so we would prefer to keep those as is.
And then moving on to condition 15, which has to do with the CDP expiration. We agree with Ms. Petrovich- Sorry,
I missed you moving so
fast. So 12
and 13?
We would like to keep 12 and 13 as they are. Can you
review their substance?
Yes, I do not have them on the screen but condition 12 states the coastal development permit with variance shall become effective upon the expiration of the applicable appeal period provided an appeal has not been filed. If an appeal has been filed, the planning permit shall not be deemed effective until final action by the review authority on the appeal. Including action by the Coastal Commission if the planning permit is appealed to the Coastal Commission. So we'd like to leave that as is. The next condition, Condition 13 reads approval of this coastal development permit is subject to the California Coastal Commission approving the required rezone and coastal plan amendment.
We do not see ambiguity or conflict between those, so we prefer to keep them as written. And then moving on to condition 15 which I'll put on the board. We agree with Mrs. Petrovich on her change The expiration would be from the effective date of the permit, rather than the date of the approval action. So I've put the change language up on the board for your consideration.
The last condition that Ms. Petrovich had a question about which she wanted to strike with is condition 23. And I'm going to put an exhibit up that relates to that particular condition. Condition 23 states that prior to coastal development permit issuance, the applicant shall either obtain approval from the railroad for all project elements within the railroad right of way or revise the project to remove all project elements from the right-of-way and I'll show on the slide here, I'm running the cursor along this dashed line. These are the applicant's project plans and applicant's project plans label this dashed line as UPR right of way.
And so as you can see, there's a portion of the proposed home that is proposed within the railroad right-of-way. And our condition would require that they either obtain approval from the railroad to have a portion of their residence located within the right-of way or that they revise the plans to pull the home outside of the right-off way. We have applied a similar condition before for example the Miramar Hotel Project Has development within the railroad right of way and they received approval for the development within the railroad right of way. So we believe that this is a fair condition that can be satisfied, and that concludes staff. And moving on to the findings.
Staff would prefer to keep the findings as they are, In part, reference the submittal that was provided on Friday that staff has not had an opportunity to review thoroughly as support for the findings. At this point we don't know the contents of that submittal so we would prefer not rely on that documentation. And also makes other statements that we would prefer not to keep in the findings. We think that as written, they support the approval of the project and that they're adequate. That will conclude my comments. Thank you.
I think the condition 23 is pretty unnecessary because of the railroad's ability to stop whatever could be proposed within their Within their right-of-way Through quiet title and I think it's unreasonable that you would set up a circumstance in which a third party Would have veto power over what somebody would do on their own property So
but let me ask the ask the question of the applicant if it was good enough for the Miramar Hotel Why why wouldn't we impose that condition here? Oh
Because it's wrong. The architect drew those plans, I never saw those plans until about two days ago. So it's just wrong. There's no railroad right of way unless again you accept the theory that the staff keeps pushing and that is that Wallace Avenue entirely belongs to the railroad. It's just wrong and frankly That kind of condition is not even the county's business. If there were an issue, that's up to us to resolve but we're not the Miramar. We don't have the kind of money the Miramar has to get the railroad to even return a call let alone get them to give you anything in writing.
That
would never happen.
So it is your intent to design the project outside of the railroad?
It's entirely on Mr. O'Neill's lot. Got it. Entirely, we've purposely moved it and the only thing that will be on the quote right-of-way are the utility lines and we will put them in Wallace Avenue they're not going to be on the claimed franchise area they will be outside that south of the franchise area
And I want to add to that, if there was bad blood between the two parties then this gives the railroad an opportunity to really stick a knife in his back. Right. So
I guess I could agree to the deletion of Condition 23. The change in condition 15, I side with staff on keeping 12 and 13. That seems completely normal. And I guess from a local perspective, I'm not quite as local as some of the people in the room there but I'm pretty local. It might actually be a benefit for the community to not have the restrictions on construction hours because we don't want them on the freeway at that time so I do think we should delete condition number five.
Chair Williams and Supervisors, one benefit of Condition 23 is that if there was a problem with the railroad, although the county would be indemnified by the applicant on that, the county would be a likely party to that litigation. 23 is not a delegation to the railroad if the applicant is convinced Good dirt underneath him, he has nothing to worry about. If he does not however and the railroad either now or five years from now has a problem we could expect the county to be in that litigation. I think condition 23 serves the interest of the county and still allows the applicant to have this project.
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That's some markiness.
Well question for the applicant. Well, we are indemnified but then we've got to go chase you around in the event. Are you okay with that? No. Are you sure you're on your own property?
Yes. Okay well then just take 23. You've got your own staff saying that Wallace Avenue is railroad right of way. Well, we have to use Wallace Avenue for access and for utilities so there you go. Okay
but I'm sensing we're right down here at the end and I'm trying to
help. How about adding outside of Wallace Avenue? Because that's the only right of way. It's only on, as I understand
it, it's only on the railroad right-of-way. You don't have to
get permission
for the rest of the parcel.
There's a misunderstanding as to...
Yeah, I think maybe that we should protect ourselves by retaining condition number three but adding requires 23 but requires our approval outside of Wallace Avenue because Wallace Avenue is by definition our public road
Chair and supervisors, I think condition 23 protects the county as it's presently worded. I would recommend if you plan to approve the project to keep it in there as presently worded because I actually know what that means as opposed to another clause that we could argue about in litigation down the road.
And I would submit the staff is opposed to this project and of course they're going to impose a condition we can't meet. We cannot meet that condition. The railroad won't even call us back If any of you have tried that, you'll know what I'm saying. They don't call you back unless it's something they want.
Yeah but hang on, if you are absolutely certain that you're on your own property, you don't need to contact them at all?
No, but the staff is the one applying this condition and we're going to show utility lines in Wallace Avenue and so all the staff has to do is say well, you're in the road right-of-way. I don't see a letter from the railroad right-of way approving you being in their right-of So we're right back, you know, we're going
around circles here. Can we exempt utilities? Can we just talk about structure?
Mr. Chair and Supervisor Adam, that's really what we meant was the structural development.
We're not worried about that because we are on our own lot.
Okay, well does that get us there if we specifically call out structures?
Confine it to the house structure because that's the only thing we're building. We can't build a garage because there's no room. So yes, if we were confined to that-
Mr. Gazzone
So I guess I would ask planning staff whether they consider, what they consider to be the project elements. That's how the condition is worded. Revise the project and either obtain approval or revise the project or remove all project elements from the UPRR right of way? And does the project elements include anything other than structure?
There was a question I think to staff pending here. She's
just trying to be thoughtful. I am. I think when we ask tough questions, we can give a pregnant pause.
So what was going through my mind Mr. Chair and board members is whether or not we actually issue permits for extensions of services to a piece of property. That's what was going through my mind in terms of whether that would be considered a project element I think it's the responsibility of the water district and the sewer district to ensure that they have appropriate easements to serve a particular piece of property. So, that was the thought process and I'm having a hard time remedying that with so are we required to issue a CDP? And would that be a part of the project element for the CDP?
And we do need an encroachment permit to put anything in the county's road which we
don't
say
is our road.
Chair, members of the board. I also wanted to mention that as condition 23 is currently worded it gives a second option which is revise the project to remove all project elements from the UPR right-of-way. What we currently have submitted from the applicant shows development of the proposed home, shows the UPR right-of way and shows the home within it. If they could satisfy this condition by submitting plans to staff that no longer show the UPR right of way and shows it correctly in the way that Ms. Petrovich is arguing that is- Depicted. Is depicted, so that would also satisfy Condition 23 as its worded. It would be corrected plans.
And that's a potentially good suggestion. I just don't think we got the answer to the question of if we had condition number 23 restricted to the structure, whether that would protect the county in the manner that staff is seeking to protect the county? Because we're not approving something else because that belongs to the other utilities,
right? So Mr. Chair I guess the trouble I'm having is that I think the area right adjacent to Mr. O'Neill's house is in the right of way, Union Pacific Right-of-Way and so if I have to issue a permit for improvements in that area they should be providing the board finds that it's not.
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The board finds that it's as represented in the drawings by Ms. Petrovich and we take that decision away from you because you're making the unilateral decision at this time That it's not in Wallace Avenue, it's UPRR and that's making it impossible for you to do so. What if we take that away from you and
put
a finding in?
Mr. Chair and Supervisor Adam thank you for bringing me back. I don't know if you've noticed, I'm not feeling very well today. So I'm not probably thinking the most clearly. So that's already in your findings that we're recommending that you adopt should you want to approve the project and so I think having that question answered by the board helps to clarify that condition.
Okay, so where does that put us then on Condition 23? I
think you can leave it the way it is. And then if they remedy their plans and we read the plans consistent with your findings, that will answer the question. When we read, I shouldn't have said if, when we read?
Chair
and
Supervisor Adam, condition 23, the issue that we have now is our findings are written such that they reference the documents provided by Mrs. Petrovich as showing access to the property. The issue is that the project plans that the applicant has submitted show right of way and show the home within that. What we need are plans that are consistent with what Ms. Petrovich has contended so that we aren't stamping plans approved, that are inconsistent with what's stated in the findings.
And
so we could- So
the solution is the findings plus a map that is consistent with the findings?
Which is, Chair and Supervisors, which is what part two of condition 23 requires. Is that they revise the project to remove all project elements from the UPR right-of-way. So if we receive plans that do not show project elements within something that's labeled as right-of way on the plans then we can satisfy condition 23.
So just submit us another map.
As long as
it's on the record that that's
what I think is clearly on the record, I think Diane wants to be rid of this as much as we do at this point.
Thank you. We will have those plans, those revised plans in their hands very quickly. Thank you.
So then on to the findings. There's some of these findings changes that would be pretty simple, like making sure that it says it's a replacement house. Some of this stuff is complicated and some of this, like Supervisor Adam, I just can't intellectually do. I can't say that I don't believe I don't think there's anything that's not appropriate for recreation because basically like Reeve I believe everywhere is appropriate to be open space and recreation. I don't think there's anything that's not appropriate for it. So just to be intellectually consistent, I don' t think I can go there. But can we at least add in the findings the recognition this is a replacement house Or had a long standing residential use before it was zoned recreation.
So Mr Chair, yes of course we can change words but when you say it's a replacement house I'm not even quite sure what that means because That happens all the time. I mean, replacement houses happen all the time and I don't really understand why that's important to the findings. The only purpose of these findings is to explain to the Coastal Commission why you acted the way you
did. The
staff report, I think, is quite clear and I think there are places in the findings where it is clear what the history of the property is. I'm just concerned that if we start messing with the findings today and there are a lot of changes, we're going to do something that we don't really intend to do. And I think the findings support your actions.
I'm not proposing the extensive changes in the findings that Ms. Petrovich is advocating, I am just asking about those two, particularly the first one. It is clear that there is a house there.
This
is, I don't know what word you use, rebuild or replacement of that house? That would be maybe stretching what a remodel is, but yeah.
It's a tear down and replacement. I'm sorry.
Chair, I wanted to just point out the existing finding state that the subject property has historically been developed with a single family residence. So I believe that language is already there. Then regarding the zoning of the property, it was not zoned residential prior to being zoned rec. It was zoned beach development and beach development allowed for both a single family home and for recreational.
So why wouldn't we then be able to say it was zoned for
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Chair Williams, that's not exactly the language that Ms. Petrovich recommended. We could change it to state that it was zoned Beach Development District and list the description of what Beach Development District permitted. But I guess overall from a staffs perspective, I don't, we don't see that the changes are necessary in order to make the findings to support approval of the project. It's none of them are some of the changes are already things that we're stating. Some of the changes are things that may not be factually accurate so from a staff perspective we would recommend leaving the findings as is.
So your recommendation is to leave the findings as is, but you are saying that we could add in findings that there was this beach development which is a residential use in the findings beforehand. And that it, there is an existing non-habitable house on site and that this is a rebuild proposal of that site?
Chair, that is correct. What is existing on site is an unpermitted structure. What remains of the previously existing home is one wall. This began as a violation so we could lay out the fact that there's that history, that there's one wall of a previously existing structure as well as an unpermitted development at this point in time.
Supervisor Adam. Well, see that's the problem I have here is that I would like to see a paradigm shift. Yeah, really. How do we get the yes and can we stop throwing in incendiary language like it's an unpermitted structure? And I realize that it is but it's not helpful to the end product and I think what you're getting from up here at this point is we want to be helpful to the end product and maybe we can just start saying some things that can make this Go instead of not.
So Mr Chair and board members, we'll take whatever direction you have on the findings. I think what you're hearing is The findings already say essentially the things that you're asking for them to say. And if you want to say them a different way, that's fine but they are very factually correct and I think neutral we don't talk about the violation. We don't talk about any of those incendiary issues and when you start adding facts it And say it's a rebuild of an existing house, well it's kind of. It really was a tear down of the house and then they started rebuilding it without permits so it just raises those issues. So that's why we tried to keep it pretty simple and factual to support action for approval but if you'd like to direct some changes that's fine too.
Just say it's replacement house without going into the details I think Clearly factually correct and not as murky. And I guess the question on the zoning, I think you should include what it was residentially zoned as BDD which allows a single family home to make that clear in the findings.
Chair and supervisors, when the board is done with its discussion I think that given the number of directions that have come it probably be good to take a short break so that for purposes of the record planning could read back to you which conditions receive changes in which sentence or two would be added to the finding concerning interest of the general community welfare. Which is the one we're talking about right now because that way the record would be very clear
Any other things that you wish to add?
Well, I think we probably ought to include the Property was zoned residential for a valid geologic reason for adjusting the bluff setback to include reference to policy 3-4 with 50 and 75 year setbacks. That might be important later for the Coastal Commission.
Okay, then let's try to keep it to those three because if they're going to revise this in 10 minutes we oughta keep it to three.
So again, my recommendation would be maybe taking that break. And then when staff comes back to be able to articulate which conditions receive changes and what exact language may be up on the screen so we know what's being inserted into 2.2.1A1. The request is in the interest of the general community welfare. Thank you Mr.
Gazzani. So we'll take a ten minute break and see what we can put on paper. Thank you. Hi. ♪ ♪ ♪ ¶¶ ¶¶ ♪
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I know, you ready? Okay, so Mr. Chair I think we've been able to make a few changes to the findings that meet your direction. So if you go to attachment five which is the findings for approval in section 2.1 It reads, a single family dwelling was constructed on the subject property in 1900. That dwelling became non-conforming in 1984 due to a redesignation of the property for recreational uses. Then I would insert a sentence that says prior to that time, the property was zoned beach development which allowed for single family residences.
Then it goes, the finding goes on to say the current property owner resided in said dwelling for a number of years and in 2007 demolished the dwelling and initiated construction of a new one in its place. And then I would change the next sentence to say, in order to allow for a replacement dwelling on the subject property, the proposed general plan amendment is required to change the land use and then leave the rest of that finding the same.
On page 5-3, finding 2.2.1A2, so it's the finding at the top of the page. This finding says the request is consistent with a comprehensive plan including the coastal plan and whatnot. And then there's a policy consistency analysis that's attached, and that's attachment 10 which is in that tabular or table form that we typically do it in. That table Includes a discussion of consistency with policy 3-4.
But to make it abundantly clear that we've addressed that bluff setback policy, I would add about two thirds of the way down where the sentence ends as well as the requirements of Article 2 Coastal Zoning Ordinance. Then I would add this includes consistency with LCP Policy 3- 4 which provides the basis for reduced bluff setback. So it points the reader to this specific fact. So I think that's it for the findings. Unless I missed something that somebody asked for. Then in terms of the conditions, as Nicole pointed out in condition one we're recommending that we just correct the square footage to 2218. That condition five related to construction hours be deleted.
That conditions 12 and 13 be maintained. That condition 15 be amended as Nicole showed on the screen, which changes the. Sort of triggering event from approval by the board to, from the effective date of the permit. So that takes into account the appeal period and then condition 23 we would retain as is recognizing the discussion we had in the hearing room today about the intention being that the plans are consistent with the representations that have been made by the applicant about the ownership of adjacent properties.
Do I think that does it? Yes.
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I seem to think that addresses all three of the issues that we had. Any comment, questions from the board?
Sorry. Supervisor Wolff. Thank you. Did you do a statement of overriding considerations?
No because there was no class one impacts involved with this project so there's no statement of
overriding considerations. What am I thinking? When you change the zoning, I said the wrong-
There
are
findings. So if you go to the findings again- The public benefit. Attachment five. It's not a public benefit but it talks about the general plan amendment being in the public interest and so that's explained in finding 2.1 which we amended a bit. Okay.
So I will make the motion that we take the actions in the board letter actioned for approval. Actions A, B, C and D and E with the amending of conditions and findings as has been articulated.
And just for an abundance of caution, as articulated by Ms. Black at about 410 p.m., just now.
Great. That is the motion. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed?
No.
No. 3-1 Thank you so much I'll adjourn this meeting to March 13th in Santa Maria.
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