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Good morning, and I'd like to welcome everybody to the March 13th meeting of the County Board of Supervisors We have a interesting setup today So we'll get mr. Allen could you please call the roll?
Miss wolf Here Ms. Hartman? Here Mr. Adam? Mr. Lavinino?
Here
Mr. Williams?
Here
And I believe it is Mr. Adams intention he'll be here shortly, he's also sick and will be participating remotely but here but remotely Mr. Gazzone.
And Chair Labadino so the meeting today is complying with the Brown Acts teleconference provisions we're in two notice locations both Santa Barbara and Santa Maria and as you'd mentioned the only distinction is that all votes must be by roll call. We have four members at present all within the jurisdiction
Okay, can I get a motion to approve the minutes of the meeting of February 27th? So
moved.
Moved.
Second.
Moved and seconded. Roll call please.
Ms. Wolff? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye. Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 4-0.
Okay. I don't believe there will be a CEO's report today so we'll move on Administrative agenda. Are there any items from the public wish to pull?
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No request to speak from the public.
Any items from our board? None from Supervisor Hartman, Santa Barbara?
Nothing.
Okay. Not pulling anything. Very good, Mr. Allen has an announcement.
Chair Valadino, members of the board. I did post an addendum to this agenda last Friday and it amended two items on your agenda today. First of all in the closed session scheduled for later this morning it added a public employee appointment and item five departmental item number five from community services. This addendum changed certain recommendations on that item and one of the net results of
Agenda Discussionitems moved / continued / pulled, click to expand
that is that it would no longer require a four-fifths vote Also on the agenda today, on item A28. I just want to note for everybody that this is from community services and this is to consider recommendations regarding the implementation of the California Statewide Communities Development Authority's Open PACE program. And the recommendation is that this is a set hearing request for April 3rd but we do need an affirmative vote on Item A to adopt the resolution.
This morning, so we do need an action on that item this morning. So at the appropriate time if we could get a motion on A28A that would be appropriate.
Okay, are we going to move that with the entire administrative agenda?
That would be fine.
Okay. So I'm open for a motion to move the administrative agenda including A28-A. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Roll call please.
Ms. Wolfe?
Aye.
Ms. Hartman? Aye. Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 4-0
Okay this is a time for
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public comment This is for items not on today's agenda Do we have any requests to speak from the public?
No request to speak
All right well then that closes the public comment period And I believe that we are going to be taking D3 first, but I think we need to make sure that Supervisor Adam is around at this point. So if we could just take a two minute break, I'll track him down. Okay.
Yes.
So we're going to do a little agenda management switch around here. We're still waiting on Supervisor Adam, and we need him for a four-fifths vote on number three. So we are going to take item one while we're waiting for him to show up. And we will switch over to Mr. Pontus. Oh, Mr. Allen if you could read it in please?
Chair Lavagnino, members of the board. Item one is from the County Executive Office. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an update on the Thomas Fire and January 9 2018 debris flow community disaster recovery efforts. Mr. Pontus?
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Good morning, Mr. Chair, members of the board. Matt Pontus, Assistant CEO here to provide an update of our efforts on the Thomas fire in 1-9 debris flow As you know, Thomas Fire incident began 12-4 and with subsequent storm and debris flow events occurring on January 9. Since those events the county has been leading and managing the recovery effort in partnership with Cal OES, FEMA and other mutual aid partners.
In addition to county departments many governmental agencies and community groups have joined this recovery effort The report will serve as an update on recovery activities and also includes an update on preliminary costs, as we talked about last week. Our main recovery objectives include returning residents and opening businesses as soon as it was safely possible, supporting the repair and rebuild of homes, businesses, and residents' livelihoods as soon as possible.
And developing resiliency throughout the community through disaster preparedness, mitigation and improvements, and social and individual resiliency. The 1-9 debris flow impacted approximately 50 miles of county roads, over 200 culverts and 20 bridges. Following the event, approximately 30,000 cubic yards of material was removed from roads and cleared from bridges.
Though this was a monumental effort by public work staff, there are still county roads that have some debris. This will be an ongoing activity for the next two to five years. And as a result of the disaster, permanent restoration projects are needed to replace culverts, bridge rail reconstructions and three bridge replacements. While the Thomas Fire was burning, Public Works Flood Control Division responded to the predicted storm event by quickly clearing 11 debris basins located in the Thomas Fire burn area along Montecito and Carpinteria.
This proved to be a life-saving action as all of those debris basins became completely filled during the disaster. Following the event, Flood Control worked tirelessly to clear bridges open roadways and access for mobility. Flood Control requested assistance from the Army Corps of Engineers to clear debris basins and in the end they removed more than 400,000 cubic yards of material.
The new reality is that the stream channel and the debris basin clearing will need to occur after each storm for the next two to five years In order to maintain road traffic and safety, and prevent congestion on the small county roads in the area. The county identified resources to facilitate mud and debris removal on some limited private properties. The debris flow left an enormous quantity of mud soil and rocks and trees, the majority of which was natural debris.
The county continues to develop and distribute guidelines, resources and other methods of debris removal including the new material exchange program where folks can go online and exchange rocks or get soil. We have an ongoing collaboration with other agencies and entities to identify additional outlets The Tahecus Landfill is a short-term solution for sorting, staging and temporarily storing debris due to lack of other local south coast outlets.
We started a Traffic Mitigation Task Force that includes representatives from the Highway Patrol, Caltrans, our County Public Works, the Sheriff's Office, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, City of Santa Barbara and SBCAG. The task force has done several things so far and continues to work on solutions to lessen traffic congestion and identify different ways to move people safely through the community.
With that, I'd like to turn it over to Terri who's going to talk briefly on some communication efforts.
Good morning members of the board. Our communications program is really grounded or anchored with one full time dedicated position of our communications manager. However in an emergency we ramp up what we call our public information team or the PIT team which consists of representatives from throughout the county that we've trained in emergency public information.
We bring all those individuals together in the Joint Information Center as the JIC and together we support the ongoing communications program. When in the JIC, we provide for all of the web content that you see on our newly established website at readysbc.org We also handle all social media on various platforms, press releases, press conferences, town hall meetings. We draft public education materials, we handle all media relations and we handle Spanish translation in the JIC with one or two translators present at all times.
Our communication effort overall is to conduct coordinated messaging to the public and internal and external partners And to aid in response and recovery efforts, we have the following key goals at all times. We want to encourage all residents to sign up for the aware and prepare alerts so that they can receive timely official and vital county information in emergency or disaster.
We also want to clearly convey the likelihood of future storm events and the associated risks with any event. We want to ensure that all evacuations orders are consistent, understood and followed. And we want to highlight progress towards recovery and our comprehensive efforts including work currently underway and what our community should expect in the future.
We also want to ensure that the emergency operations team back at the EOC and Joint Information Center are proactive, timely and consistent and accurate in all of our communications. At this point in time, we're really supporting two communication efforts. One as you saw yesterday which is communicating to the public on incoming storm readiness and when necessary making all aware of evacuations. In addition, we're communicating on our recovery efforts again talking about what is currently occurring in the community with the public immediately needs to know and it also what they should be prepared for in the future.
And when we're talking about all of our storm readiness activities specifically, we're talking about storm readiness as we're communicating across all of our burn areas. Not just that in the Thomas fire necessarily. In order to deliver our communication I'm just going to highlight a couple key tactics that I previously mentioned. One is our aware and prepare alerts as well as our Everbridge and Nixle alert systems. We also have our call center. We use our 211 communication system. We use Spanish language outreach, as I indicated. We have our one-stop website. We use all social media both on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, three different platforms.
And we are heavily using our maps. You've probably heard a lot about our interactive map that we are directing people to as part of our ReadySBC.org website where people can immediately find what their area of risks are by going to that website. We are also in the process of producing a variety of how-to videos to have quick, timely information out and easily understood ways. And those are also going to be released in Spanish. We are doing a series of brochures and public information materials. And then we are getting ready to launch a speaker's program and ambassador's program in addition to the multiple community meetings that we've been doing since the actual Thomas Fire event.
Let's go to the next slide. I think there's one different slide. Okay, there we go. In terms of additional efforts, we are working consistently with our local non-profits with our community long term recovery group. This was established over several months ago now and Daniel Nielsen is our point of contact for this group in working with the community and Barbara Anderson currently chairs the Long Term Recovery Group. This group is meant to be in place as it indicated for the very very long term As state and federal government agencies begin to wrap up work, and as local government begins to complete a lot of the work that Matt described. There is a long-term recovery group that stays in place to continue to aid the public through all of their needs.
And there's really six key components of this. One is the case management component which Unity Shop is handling. And that is really to address unmet needs, that individuals impacted by any disaster may still have. There's a finance and public relations and fundraising component which is headed up by United Way. You see that a lot through the media in terms of the donations that are being collected that may be distributed back to individuals in need. There are also the coordination of the volunteer organizations, construction coordination, community wellness and then ultimately a community assessment to better understand the overall needs at various points in time.
The community wellness component is headed up by our behavioral wellness department with Suzanne Grimacy and over 13 individual agencies are involved in that effort. Let's go to the next one Matt. In terms of community engagement and donations, First District Supervisors Josh Williams has initiated the Rebuilding Montecito Stakeholder Process which is a framework for encouraging utilizing community input. Fostering stakeholder engagement and sharing ideas with community leaders.
This is really to ensure that there's no duplication of efforts in focusing on some of the critical needs that the community has brought forward or ideas that the community has brought forward to date. Including such things as potential for undergrounding utilities, potential for future memorials etc. The Montecito Center has also been open that's opened last week and that's to have immediate one-on-one contact and support with the community and immediately reach out to affected residents. We have a number of different services at that location as well again including community wellness. Our planning department is there for a period our case managers are there So there's direct contact immediately within the community. And then finally, the county has partnered with what is called Partners for Resilient Communities to assist with immediate and longer term disaster relief efforts.
Various non-profits have committed to donate funds to the county to assist with some of the costs related to the project management, And bring us some disaster expertise. This is a very unique type of incident that we've experienced here in our county, and there are those from throughout the nation that do have some expertise in these areas and we're calling upon them to assist us and help guide us through this effort.
With that I'll turn it back to Matt.
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So as we all know, we live in community that experiences wildfires. And we also know that when the wildfires burn through these urban interface communities, they remove the vegetation and sometimes destroy homes. There's an immediate end to that emergency. Communities rebuild hopefully a more fire resilient community. It may take decades before the fuels in that area and in that community have matured and become a threat again to that community.
In our most recent Thomas wildfire, the community experienced evacuations and then a catastrophic January 9th debris flow. The difference between this event and the normal rebuild after a fire is that we are left with a formidable and complex challenge of rebuilding and recovery while the stream channels are still active and able to transport debris from the watersheds above the community.
So unfortunately, this means that the event and the period of danger won't be at an end stage for another two to five years. And that during each storm event we must take precautions. And that has led us towards developing resiliency measures including plans for strategic long-term recovery And identifying future fire and flood mitigations. We have community members, we have experts in-house and experts from around the country providing us some ideas on how to provide a resilient infrastructure in and around the community.
And we're working on coming up with some of those solutions every day as part of this recovery. So to that end and rebuilding I'm going to turn it over to Diane Black.
Planning and development and flood control staff have been working to assist property owners in the rebuild process. This is accomplished through the case management process that we've set up, inspections and consultations. And I'd say Through those interactions that we've had with property owners that have been affected, the most asked questions have been when can I rebuild and what will the standards be?
We put together a draft document which I posted on the board's website yesterday to try and answer those questions. And I'm really interested if the board members or the public members of the public have comments today. Rebuilding after a debris flow is significantly different than after a fire for quite a few reasons, many of which Matt has said. Landforms have changed significantly.
Many survey monuments have been dislodged. Flood maps, the firm maps that we use to determine flood hazards really no longer represent true conditions on the ground and the area is subject to ongoing threats from debris flows for the next two to five years. We don't usually Face ongoing threats from fire after a fires come through. So it's really been, I think challenging for everybody to kind of get their heads around.
Can you put my slides up? So to answer some of the sort of uncertainties with rebuilding after a debris flow, the county is working together needed information and we're expecting to gather quite a bit of information over the next three months. We're working with FEMA on flood hazard and recovery mapping. We're working with consultants on land surveys and engineering studies. So we're really trying to gather information that will help everyone make good prudent decisions about the rebuilding process.
We're advising property owners not to make significant expenditures on design until these studies are complete. And if they want to proceed in advance of these studies that are being sponsored by the county, we are recommending that they meet with their case manager from planning and development and with flood control. And both of those staffs will assist in determining submittal requirements which will vary based upon individual property situations. And might include things like topographic surveys, property line surveys, hydrologic analysis and any number of other things that I've put in this draft document.
Again all of the information is in the draft document that I posted with a clerk yesterday and my intention is to formalize that after receiving input from the board and the public today.
So with that, our recommended actions today are that the Board of Supervisors receive and file an update with the County Executive Office on the 1-9 debris flow community disaster recovery efforts. Receive an update from Planning Development and Flood Control on the expected permitting rebuild process in the areas affected by the debris flow. Further direction to staff as appropriate, and determine the above actions are not a project subject to CEQA review.
Do we have any questions of staff? Supervisor Hartman first, then we'll go to Supervisor Williams.
I just had a question about the how-to videos and the speakers and ambassadors if you could just touch on some of those subjects.
Yes, certainly Supervisor Hartman. There's a couple things that we're adding to our tactics for our communication program and one, well there's the three that you mentioned. The how-to videos are, there's a couple different aspects to those or at least the initial ones. The first is how to actually get information. The second is how to prepare for evacuations, how to stay alert. And then we're also working on producing some specific videos about debris flows and what to expect long term. So in addition to everything that we're doing a narrative on, our press releases and everything else, we're really trying to also produce snippets of information so people can consistently refer back.
And then in terms of the, and all that will be on ReadySBC.org and can be used also on our social media platform so it serves a number of different purposes in a number of different ways. In terms of the speakers program with the Speakers Bureau what that is and that's currently under development and that using county staff individuals that have been very involved in this particular effort or have specific expertise That will go out and speak to various community groups, more on a one-on-one basis to answer questions as well. In a smaller format than we would typically do in the larger community meetings. The ambassador program is a bit different than that. The ambassador program is actually working directly with our community members and will be working with the Montecito Center on this Training community members and a lot of the information and placing them out in the community.
So they're basically an extension of staff, and one more way to get information out more broadly within all of our communities. So those two things, the Speaker's Bureau and the Ambassador Program are still under development as well.
Very good. Supervisor Williams?
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Well I would Given that I've spoken with planning staff before this hearing, one of the issues is that some of the differences in this Debris flow from a fire necessitates us to relook at some of the rules that we allowed under rebuilding. So for the T-fire, we allowed the rebuilding of like for like structures without a land use permit. Now in the case of this debris flow, We want to streamline folks where it's safe, but we want to move them away from the creek.
So folks who under the old T-fire definition would not qualify for a like for like building if they moved their structure away from the creek so my sense is we need to make some changes To our planning practices, and particularly our streamlining practices in order to incentivize folks to rebuild in a way that's safer and increases the community's resilience. And since the subject matter is agendized I was going Today, if Ms. Black would return to us on another day with some ordinance changes that would be necessary for streamlining building in parcels where the geology has been deemed safe.
Ms. Black?
Yes, Supervisor Williams and members of the board. So both the Montecito Land Use and Development Code and Article 2 have specific provisions that allow for rebuilding of like-for-like structures following a natural disaster And I think Supervisor Williams is right. It will be very difficult to substantially change the location of the structure given the way that those two sections are written now So if the board would like we can initiate a process To update those ordinances they will have to go to the Montecito Planning Commission and then up to the board and If that's the direction of the board, I think we could probably get to the Montecito Planning Commission at their April meeting
Okay Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Do people just along the same subject, I'm sure that The fact that you have planners that are working with individual homeowners. What I'm not clear about is if we do the, do people have to wait for this ordinance change to go into effect? Or can they move forward with the planners so that they can get issues resolved if there are issues?
Because I just know that, and I think we probably all agree that's so important for people which is to get back into their homes and rebuild. So I just want to make sure that this won't delay that process.
Supervisor Wolf and members of the board So in in order for a property owner to avail themselves of criteria that don't exist in the ordinance now, they would have to wait For their exemption but we can certainly do a lot of work with those property owners. We already are To try and figure out what the best process or best place best way for them to rebuild is in the meantime so Yes and no. Yes, it will delay their ultimate exemption but no, it won't delay them from starting the process.
Okay, thank you for that. And just a question for Ms. Nesich. How are we doing with folks that have been signing up for Aware and Prepare? What percentage are we at right now?
Supervisor Wolf, I actually don't have the exact numbers. I do have not for all the communities but I can tell you for the community of Montecito specifically which I looked at the other day it's 1300 total registrants which is an indication that we certainly need to get more signups in that area as well given the population. But that is something that we've been working on for some time, increasing our aware and prepared registrations throughout the county. I just happen to have that particular number with me.
Okay well thank you for that. I just want to say that all of these different platforms that you and your team and the PIO have put together, very beneficial to the community. So even if one is not necessarily signed up with Aware and Prepare as much as we encourage that, I do think that there are so many other opportunities for people to get information. So I think your staff, I think our media partners have done an exceptional job in getting messaging out to the community.
The one thing that I've just noticed And maybe it's just me, but you know we've changed the evacuation language from I think it's from one is the mandatory order and then the other is recommended evacuation. Yes. And what I've been hearing sometimes is people still going back and using the word voluntary evacuation rather than recommended so I don't know if you're seeing that, but I think that messaging may need to be hit a little bit harder so we don't go back to the old language that we had.
Also, I talked to Ms. Miyasato earlier about some things that we had in our board packet dealing with It was the organizational chart, and I don't know if the community has seen this. I think it's...I had some questions. We have a lot going on, a lot of consultants without their names necessarily being mentioned. So I think it would be good once this, and what I understand is that this is still an ongoing process but once this organizational chart has been finalized, I think that it would be important for us to have a final copy and to ensure that the public is aware of the services that are available to them as well.
So do you think that's something that we can get done? I don't know if this is to Mr. Pontes or Ms. Nessich.
Supervisor, move through the chair. We're happy to bring that back once it's finalized and have a discussion and have some clarity on where the public can go and what services were providing.
Okay, and also because the community has been very generous in providing funds. As I understand it for some of these consultants it would also be good to perhaps have an asterisk by that so that people know about the funding source as well. I think that's it except Well, there was mention in here about Tejiguas. And maybe you can explain that a little bit more because it's different than just Tejiguas being used as a debris site that there is something else going on and that the cost for sorting etc., is reduced from what it would normally be.
So can you talk about that a little bit?
Supervisor Wolf through the chair. Mark Schleich is going to brief us a little bit on that new change in the program.
Chair, board members we have a board item coming to you next Tuesday to establish a rate for the processing of debris material it's a mixed load of what's typically rocks mud and trees Thank you, Mr. Schlick. Have we had any other
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Successes in locating locations for the debris. I know you were looking at mining sites in Ventura and other locations.
Excuse me, Supervisor Wolf. Board members? Okay, sorry. We have put together a sheet of information where people could find outlets. There's probably half dozen to a dozen locations that are listed on there. We update that as we find more sites. The most recent one we're looking into is a mining site down in Ventura County. That information can be found on lessismore.org, and it'll take people on how to manage their debris and what outlets and typically what prices those facilities will be charging. Yes, we're constantly looking for outlets.
The cost of the material or the cost of transporting the material becomes somewhat cost prohibitive or costly to the property owner. I've heard upwards for a half acre lot, it could be as much as $70,000. It's a challenging thing that we are constantly working on to resolve. The item next Tuesday will help the private property owners with a more cost effective solution, but we're always looking for more and more outlets that are available to the public.
Thank you. Mr. Slyke, while you're there I just want to compliment your staff and you for your creative approach to the debris exchange website and I also understand that it's been effective I've never had heard anything like that before, so I just think it's a very creative solution. So kudos to, I think it's Leslie who's been spearheading that, so good job.
Thank you.
Any other questions from the board? Do we have any comments from the public?
One request to speak Mr. Caldwell
Chair Lavinino, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing Coal Lab. I kind of want to take a big picture approach. Later on in your agenda you have this coastal resiliency project briefing which the county and other people have been working on for a long long time basically trying to predict what the climate will be in 80-100 years but what is this item?
This item is dealing with the aftermath of fires and floods in debris basins. And the bottom line here is this is much more of an exact science than climate change, yet like yesterday on the radio we covered that evacuation. We could not even peg when the storm was going to hit within 12 hours but somehow we know what the climates gonna be in 100 years. The bottom line is we have had a long history of fires and floods. And I was glad to see finally on this bullet point, you're talking about more debris basins.
What about more dams and reservoirs for the drought, because they double. They serve dual purpose. The other thing we've talked about to this board for nearly 30 years is we no longer maximize the conveyance capacity of rivers, streams and creeks. And in fact, what had happened with the Flood Control Program EIR which started COLAB. It was one of the issues that started COLAB is we wanted these river streams and creeks to go back to the natural state for habitat value instead of their state for maximum conveyance of floodwaters.
I've not heard anybody talking about we're going to change that policy. I also in previous commentary talked to you about 1960s after a couple of these devastating fires, they spread Agent Orange. They sent bulldozers up and they thought about suing the federal government because most of the land that burned and most of the land that slid is owned by the federal government.
And I have not seen you engage either the federal or state government asking them to change their policies. To prevent these disasters from occurring again. Another issue, we've been talking to private landowners between Colab and the Cattlemen most of the large ranches in this region are in one of our organizations or both. Some of them would take this mud but they can't get through a permitting process and or somebody's asking them Be responsible for whatever is in that debris for ad infinitum, for eternity. And they're not willing to assume that risk. So you need to talk to some people about that and then finally the tunnels. You almost got your water supply cut off.
Another major project, we need redundancy with regard to the tunnels bringing the water from Lake Kachuma over the hill. These are big picture items. I get the impression that county's trying to hold on to that ball but you ain't really riding it, you're just holding on right now. And there is a lot of long term stuff especially if the feds come through with additional funding or you can get some more funding out of the state. You need to be thinking big picture because we've been in this cycle for far too long. Thank you.
Thank you very much
concludes public comment.
Okay, I'll bring it back to the board staff have anything else we're good okay I'm bringing back to the board supervisor Williams I think he'd like to make a motion
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Sure, and first I did want to let Mr. Caldwell know that the county public works and various other players including myself have been trying to convince the state to grant us some CEQA relief for the moving of the materials. To facilitate such a alternative placement, either on a farm or on one of our facilities. But that we have been unsuccessful in that regard but it is not for want of trying.
But going back to the rebuilding, I think this like for like question in rebuilding is really important after a disaster. And in the past because we faced after fires it's been simple with the flood. I do think we need to change the flexibility that like for like should still be granted if the same footprint of the building is moved away from the creek and Resilient location on the parcel as long as the front and rear yard and side yard setbacks are respected. So I would just make the motion that we ask staff to return with an ordinance amendment on the like for like, the definition of like for like to allow flexibility for resilience as long as setbacks are respected.
Along with the other recommended items A, B, C and D. That's right. Okay.
I would second that.
All right we have a motion in second roll call please.
Ms Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye. Mr Lavinino?
Aye
Mr Williams? Aye 4-0
Okay, very good. Thank you very much to our staff for that presentation and I've heard that Supervisor Adams is in the building? So let me just as we bring forward staff for item three, I'll just pull him into the conference room. He's on his way in. He's going to start up on the dice, or maybe I heard that wrong. So there are a number of our board members that are in different stages of-
Disrepair.
Disrepair today.
Well, I have postponed my own death to show up for this item. Okay But i'm going to uh, so so I'd inoculate the least number of people i am going to move into the back room All right,
great chair levinino and supervisor adam. I understand that supervisor adam will be um participating in this hearing item Of d3 he'll be in the closed session room with the doors closed monitoring it on the tv screen there and coming out Doors closed other than the door into the main entrance there and coming out for any comments, so it'll be on the record.
Alright, great. Mr. Allen can you read D3 please?
Chair Labagnino and members of the board item D3 is from planning and development it's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a request for hearing filed by David Swank agent for Oak Hills Estates LLC owner of the proposed Oak Hills Estate project this is located in the third district.
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All right very good we have Mr. Rodriguez and Mr. Zorovich with us today who's going to kick off Mr. Zorovich
Yes, good morning members of the board. My name is John Zorovitch. I'm the supervising planner and development review. I'll give a short presentation with me today as Mr Steve Rodriguez as well the project planner and manager to my immediate right is Mr Brett McNulty he works for Recon that was a consulting firm that prepared the environmental impact report for this project and then further down the table is Mr Jeff Wilson deputy director for development review so with that Overview of who's available. This project is located in the Vandenberg Village area It's located on the northern portion of the Vandenberg village that's identified here and or the project site in a red line Immediately north and west of the project is the Burton Mesa Ecological Preserve immediately to the south and east Or in West are some single-family homes also lives the Vandenberg Village County Country Club also known as the Mission Country Club The project consists of essentially four entitlements.
The first is a rezone, to rezone the property from residential Ranchette ten acre minimum parcel size to design residential 1.8 units per acre. Second is a vesting tentative track map that would take the 16.8 acre parcel and divide it into 30 lots. 29 of those lots would be identified for single family homes and the other lot would be a large open space lot.
Project also includes a development plan, which includes all the amenities for the development. The project does not propose any development at this time. It's for a phased development. However, any future residences that come forward would need to comply with the provisions of the design guidelines which are part of the development plan. In addition there is a road naming application for two proposed roads identified on the site So this slide here shows kind of just what I described verbally, so kind of on the, oops sorry.
The eastern portion of the site and western portion of the site are the two areas identified for residential development. Dividing the parcel in the center is an ephemeral drainage, and then along the northern property boundary line and the western property line are open space areas as part of that open space lot. Those open space areas provide for open space areas as well as a buffer adjacent to the Burt Mesa Ecological Preserve.
So approximately about a year ago in February 2nd to March 20th, plan development released their circulated for public review. A draft EIR, Environmental Impact Report for the proposed project. Comments were received on that from Seven different agencies, specifically we got some impacts from the Fish and Wildlife Agencies, Federal and California. Related to that they felt that the EIR did not fully evaluate the project's impacts on certain sensitive species plant and animal. The El Segundo blue butterfly, the California red-legged frog, and the Vandenberg monkey flower specifically. They also identified some potential impacts with the fairy shrimp.
Based on those comments, staff evaluated the comments and decided that a revised draft EIR was needed. And that EIR was circulated in last summer July to August of 2017. So the environmental impact report identified one class one impact, one potentially unavoidable significant impact to aesthetics. Essentially related to taking an unbuilt site and creating a built environment so therefore public views of the Burke Mesa Ecological Preserve would be changed as well as this is the visual character of the site.
Project also identified in nine different issue areas potentially significant but minimal impacts to the environment related to aesthetics, biological and cultural resources, geology, water quality, noise, solid waste, traffic hazards and fire protection. With respect to the biological resources, the project proposes both on-site mitigation as well as this is a little unique an off site mitigation site. This is located in the southern end of the entry into the Vanderbilt Village area. The off site areas identified kind of in an orange or yellow line here.
It's at the base, it's located just south of what was originally known as the Clubhouse Estates project subdivision. And it's about a 123 acre site and in this area the applicant is proposing to mitigate some of the project impacts on this site. Those are identified, the areas where they're proposing to do the offset mitigation are identified kind of in a pink color.
Mitigation that's currently going on, this was identified as an open space lot for the Clubhouse Estates. And so the Clubhouse Estates is also mitigating some areas here and here with some reseeding. They're also doing some weed abatement. This project is currently owned by the Vandenberg Village CSD, and staff has contacted Vandenberg Village CSD. And they are amenable to having additional mitigation being conducted on their property.
So with regards to the EIR, there were three alternatives that were identified in the EIR. One was the no project alternative which allowed for one residence on the project site. Project Zonto looked at a clustered project of 29 condominium units. This is kind of identified in the lower left corner of the slide where it kind of clusters Two developments similar in the same location as what's being proposed, but cluster more together. Provide a little bit larger buffer between the development and ecological preserve.
Also another alternative that was identified was a reduced unit alternative of 20 single family homes. This is identified or depicted in the picture on the right. Again, similar to where there's two areas of development separated by the ephemeral drainage. This one obviously has less development, so less single family homes. So obviously impacts related to less development such as less traffic, less air quality were the benefits of this alternative. The no project alternative was identified as the Environmentally Superior Alternative, ESA is what we refer to. However, CEQA suggests that when the ESA is the no project alternative that you need to look at other alternatives and look at the ones that were looked at to identify what would be the other ESA.
In this EIR, the ESA that was identified was a reduced unit alternative And primarily it would still generate the class one impact of visual resources, taking the built environment to a built, unbuilt to a built and blocking some public views of the Burton Mesa Ecological Preserve with the development. However, it did have and also had similar mitigation measures that were identified for the proposed project. Because it had similar mitigation measures and still resulted in a class one impact that was not substantially less. Although it was an environmentally superior alternative, it was deemed to be infeasible. And hence staff is recommending the proposed project.
So with regards to the proposed projects, policy and ordinancy consistency. The project is consistent with the land use and development code. There's in the Santa Barbara County comprehensive plan including the various elements of land use, housing, noise, CERC, seismic safety and conservation as well as a Lompoc area goals and interpretive guidelines which were prepared by P&D approximately 20 years ago to kind of evaluate and look at projects and how they would be consistent with some of the goals of the land use element in this area.
So the Planning Commission considered this project in December of 2017. The commission voted 4-0 to adopt a resolution recommending denial of the proposed zone change. At that time it was understood that this project would be possibly going forward to the board as a de novo hearing, so they decided rather than hold it up move it forward, that was the thought. There was also a motion made to approve the project, prove the rezone, the development plan, the road naming and the rezone.
That motion at the planning commission failed in a vote of 2-2 which is deemed a denial pursuant to the Planning Commission's procedures manual. So that kind of concludes my staff overview. Staff is recommending that you make the required findings for approval of the projects as specified in attachment one, certify the final EIR, adopt the ordinance for the rezone.
And then approve the vesting tentative track map, the development plan and the road naming pursuant or subject to the conditions included in attachments B1, B.2 and B.3 respectively. This concludes my presentation.
Thank you very much Mr. Zorbich. One thing I forgot to do is ask for any ex parte. I'll start with Supervisor Hartman.
Let's see, I talked with Mr. Swank at my Vandenberg Village office hours and I had a site visit on Saturday.
Very good. Supervisor Wolf, Supervisor Williams?
I have nothing to report.
I met with Mr. Swank the planner for the applicant in my office this last week.
Okay. I also had a meeting with Mr. Swank last week in my office and Supervisor Adam if you've got anything to report Nothing to report. Very good. OK with that I will bring it up to Supervisor Hartman
Thank you. I do have a number of questions, some of them I know the answers to but some constituents in Vandenberg Village don't so I'd like to get at least some of these things on the record. The first has to do with oil pipelines. I think there are some surrounding this area and perhaps have been hydrogen sulfide releases in the past, some reverse 911 or something.
Anyway, I'd like you to elaborate on how far they are whether that poses any threat to these homes.
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Chair Laura Agnino, members of the Supervisor Hartman. The closest pipeline to the project would be located outside of the designated hazard zone That was that issue was looked into as one of the comments that were made on the letter on the revised draft EIR and As far as the issue of reverse 9-1-1. I'd have to defer to County staff on how How each area is designated for calling during a time of an alert or hazard in that regard
I think Mr. Rodriguez wants to weigh in on
that. Thank you, Supervisor Hartman. I can't elaborate on 9-1-1 but I can give you some more specifics about the location of the pipeline. It is an H2S pipeline and it's located approximately 1800 feet north of the project site When the Energy Division did its last permitting for the pipeline, a hazard risk analysis was conducted and a hazard area that is 350 feet on either side of the pipeline was designated. So the project is about 1,450 feet south of the designated hazard area should a release occur on the pipeline.
So the conclusion is that people who would live here are safe even if there is a release?
Supervisor, that would be the conclusion. Yes
And I just want to again for the record some people think there are more driveways coming out onto this curved area but the proposed number of The roadways are three, but you have to do a fair bit of grading. Is that correct to? Get access to the site
supervisor Hartman and board members that that's correct There's there's three driveways one two of those driveways are associated with a loop Road and the third driveway is a cul-de-sac
And would you describe the oak tree mitigation? Many of the neighbors are eager to see that the oak trees are preserved and the canopy covers the site. So some of the other sites in that area have been entirely cleared, and it is a real visual stark contrast to the rest of the biology and ecology of the area.
Supervisor Hartman and board members the project As it is proposed now, would install the infrastructure for the subsequent development of residences on the project site. Construction of that, the infrastructure, the roads, the drainage, the pipelines, those kinds of things would result in the removal of 74 of the oak trees on the project site. A small number of those trees, that 74 are located on proposed lots within like in the middle of the lot. It can reasonably assume that those trees would be impacted by subsequent development.
Those 74 trees would be required to be replaced at a 10-to-1 ratio. Some of that may occur on site, probably most of it would occur off-site on the clubhouse estates lot that Mr. Zorovich described earlier. There is also a potential for when people come in to develop their homes that additional trees may be impacted. And sort of a worst case assumption would be maybe as many as another 53 trees.
And those are mitigated
through this? Those trees would also have to be replaced at a 10-to-1 ratio, either on site or the offsite mitigation parcel.
Would you talk a little bit about the drainage area and what that was, and what it will be?
Certainly Supervisor Hartman and board members there is the central drainage on the project site. Maybe we can flip back to... The drainage is very ephemeral, flows only immediately after rain events. Has a fairly small watershed and I think a lot of the water is coming from old oil fields north of the project site. The soils on the project site are very sandy. They are subject to erosion Sometime in the past, I think somebody tried to control the erosion on the site by installing a concrete channel.
That has pretty much fallen apart and the pieces of concrete remain on the project site. In terms of the project, And the central drainage, the intent of the project is to avoid it and not result in any disturbance. There is some willows or some habitat in that area. So-
Could you describe what on site mitigation is to occur? Or habitat restoration and what would be happening in this drainage area?
On-site habitat restoration is primarily going to occur along the northern and western perimeters of the project site in the open space areas. And a lot of it would be oriented towards saving existing sensitive plants, and the restoration or replacement of sensitive plants that would be removed by the project. And right now no restoration is being proposed for the central drainage.
Okay, would that be feasible?
Supervisor Hartman, board members. I would think it would be the project is not resulting in the removal or impacts to the riparian habitat that is supported in that central drainage but providing restorative efforts would be an environmental benefit and
And could we talk just a little bit about the off-site mitigation? That strikes me as a very unusual situation where you've got, I mean basically what you describe the development site as infill although really it's kind of plopped in the middle of the Burton Mesa Preserve. I don't really view that as infill but the off-site mitigation really is more infill surrounded by roads etc And it's already, the Clubhouse Estates is doing some work there. And then you would do additional work here as a result of the project. It would be monitored for five years as I understand it but then there's no real ongoing manager of the site and to me that's very concerning.
Supervisor Hartman, you've summarized that fairly well. The property is owned by the Vandenberg Village Community Services District. They are a willing participant in the restoration program. As part of the Clubhouse Estates project, some restoration activities were required which primarily not exclusively result in the removal of invasive weeds. And that was started several years ago it went into a bit of a hiatus and has begun again.
Most of the areas where weed abatement would occur would not be revegetated as part of the Clubhouse Estates project. So, the intent of the Oak Hills Estate restoration program is to go into those areas and take advantage of the cleared areas that have been removed, the weeds have been removed Take that opportunity to implement planting of native plants and to create maritime chaparral to replace the chaparral that would be removed from the project site.
Just have a few more questions, let's see what other alternatives for mitigation off-site were explored?
Supervisor Hartman board members during the planning process and EIR process We did coordinate with the California Department of Fish and Wildlife And they recommend it was their objective for the project to either obtain Development rights or by properties outright that are near or adjacent to the Burton Mesa Chaparral Reserve and then the development rights of the properties would then be given to fish and wildlife.
And the properties that they identified contain stands of Burton Mesa Chaparral, that they would be interested in preserving.
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On this project, we're rezoning and basically providing a benefit to the developer by making more dense opportunities available. What is then the public benefit that would be compensating for this enhanced value to the property owner? Is there a park? Is there a trail? Not mitigation but a public benefit
Supervisor Hartman, board members. The provision of housing is always a benefit to the public The project would also be paying in lieu fees that could be used for, or that would be required to be used for affordable housing. The project at one time did include a trail around the perimeter, the western northern perimeter of the project site That was removed at the request of the Department of Fish and Wildlife, and the Fish and Wildlife Service because of possible impacts to a vernal pool that might contain fairy shrimp.
Would there be an opportunity to create a pocket park on this site for the public and for the people who live there?
Supervisor Hartman as it's designed now The the open space areas that might be able to accommodate that would be up Like in the northwest corner of the project site, but that would be adjacent to the reserve That could result in some conflicts
Couldn't one of the lots serve that role I
That that would be a possibility and an opportunity to provide either, you know Open space playground type of use that would be available To occupants of the project and maybe the general public
Okay, but that's for now. Thank you
Okay, do we have any other questions of staff before we go to the applicant? Supervisor wolf
Thank you, thank you Mr. Chair one thing I just wanted to ask staff because You did mention that the Environmentally superior option of the 20 homes versus the 29 I think what you said is that it's essentially the same But there must be a difference between the environmentally superior option and the one that is being proposed. And the one that I can just see from the maps is that the lots are a bit smaller, and the project has moved further away from the large open space.
But I'd like you to just comment on that. Why staff didn't, I'm curious why you didn't recommend the environmentally superior option?
Chair Lovig, Nino, Supervisor Wolf, members of the Board of Supervisors. When we were evaluating the environmentally superior alternative, we found that the impacts in regards to aesthetics and biological resources were similar to those of the project although reduced but would require similar mitigation measures consistent with county standards in regards Aesthetics and biological resources in particular.
We could not make a finding that it would be of an increased benefit since there were available mitigation measures at hand in regards to restoration, and then the class one impact although reduced areas of open space. would be available, we still found that it would result in a class one impact to aesthetic resources due to the conversion of the site to urban style uses residential.
So then the best option would have been no project?
In the EIR you'll find that CEQA requires that if you find that the no project alternative is the environmentally superior alternative, that you have to consider the next alternative. And in looking at the table 7.1 that evaluates side-by-side impacts by resources in the EIR we found The reduced unit alternative would be the environmentally superior alternative in this case.
Okay, so that just goes back to I guess my original question. It is the environmentally superior option but still not one that staff is recommending and it's because there are still mitigations required?
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Supervisor Wolf, board members that's true. The impacts of the environmentally superior alternative would be reduced when compared to the post project but the same mitigation measures would still be required.
Thank you.
Is there, I have a question. Is there ever a time when a housing development would have a situation where the environmentally superior alternative is not to not build it?
Chair Lavagnino, I think what you're describing is the no project alternative.
Right. So the no project alternative doing nothing is probably always the environmentally superior if you go through the EIR process.
Not always but a lot of times.
Okay, Supervisor Williams or Supervisor Adams before we go to the applicant? I'm okay with going to the applicant. All right, we will open it up to the applicant Mr Swank you'll have ten minutes.
Thank you, Chairman Levinino and members of the board. Good morning my name is David Swank with Urban Planning Concepts I am here as the project representative. I also have here as I know we'll be getting lots of questions We also have on our team we have Colby Boggs who is our principal biologist. We have Tim Walters who was our civil engineer Lori Tomorrow with urban planning concepts is here and I also have the managing partners who own the properties Mr. Gary Blake and Mr. John Will The project, as you see, is the Oak Hills. I'd like to thank the staff. They did a very thorough presentation and I think answered the questions, I think very thoroughly.
First off in looking at this property we should look at the area of Vandenberg Village. This is the Vandenberg Village urban area and if you notice the site where we're located is up this site right here and there's the urban line around Vandenberg Village. Many years ago previous Board of Supervisors created this urban line to be able to focus urban development inside a very rural area and they chose these areas. I think one of the major reasons they chose the site we're talking about, to be in the urban area is there is a history of disturbance on this site if you go into the planning commission chambers at down in Santa Barbara if you look to the right There is an aerial photograph of Annenberg Village from the 90s that shows this site completely void of vegetation.
It has a history of having intense use on it, so the board recognized the value of this site being located within the urban area and if you look at the areas as a whole, the vast majority of Annenberg Village has been built out. So there actually is Really, really very few opportunities to do future development within Vandenberg Village area. And we are all concerned with housing and we know that as Vandenberg Village in the very near future is going to not be able to provide those opportunities in that area.
Here's the area of the site. Supervisor Hartman said some very good questions about the topography in the area, here is that ephemeral drainage and basically if you look at the habitat tights on this property we have primarily oaks with some maritime chaparral and then we have scrub habitat located on this site And that was very instrumental in terms of what we did, in terms of how we decided to develop the site. This is the riparian quarter that occurs. It is an ephemeral drainage. There is some remnants of concrete flumes and flood control devices that probably was put in there by the oil development that is occurring to the north of the site.
And here we are at our site plan. As you see, we've clustered our development on one side, buffers along the ephemeral and then we cluster located on this area too. Over 50% of the area is an open space and we provided very large buffers, the maximum we could possibly do to provide a buffer of the Burton Mesa Preserve which is located along this property boundary and along here. As part of that we also, and I'll mention in a minute about fuel management. That has a very profound impact on how we wanted to maximize fuel management on the site.
Some site photos, I understand Supervisor Hartman's been on the site. So it is mainly the scrub habitat located along the east and then we have the remnants of maritime chaparral and oaks located on this site, relatively young oaks because not too long ago this site was completely devoid of vegetation. And this is that ephemeral drainage that's going through bisecting the property.
As part of the development of this, we recognize there are challenges to this site. We also know that we have very engaged neighbors so as part of this process, we brought the neighbors at the very beginning before we even had a site plan to ask what they would look for on this site. And we had a lot of them, an average of 25 to 30 neighbors came to each one of the meetings that we had. And they provided input to us and we utilized that input to help us in designing the project. We also did a conceptual review with the Planning Commission.
Supervisor Hartman was member of that commission at that time. And they also provided a lot of input to help us in terms of designing the project too as well. As part of that, we did recognize biology is a very important part of this process. So we brought RINCON consultants in as one of the team members that actually provided the templates that helped us design this project with biology in mind. In essence, we developed our project around the biology To the maximum extent that we could. And we had a host of other studies that we did and an environmental impact report to help make this project in this area within the urban zone, one of the last parcels we have into Vandenberg, to be this most environmentally sensitive project that we possibly could have.
We provided a lot of different habitat plans. We designed those habitat plans, tree protection plans to be able to identify those resources and to try to fit those homes within those resources to protect them. That's why we're not masquerading the site. The homes are going to be built with very sensitive construction techniques, with stem wall construction and grading beams and not just completely level the site and pack as many we can of homes on this site. The general plan calls for this site actually to be 12.3 units per acre.
And that was one of the challenges why we had to do a rezone, because there was kind of a discrepancy in the zoning versus the general plan. The general plan calls for 12.3 units per acre and the zoning is actually resident ranch at 10 acre which normally you find in a rural area and not so much in an urban area. We're trying to correct that by getting a zoning density that is reflected of the surrounding neighborhoods.
Oaks were a very important part of this project for us. We are seeking to protect as many, when we talk 73 trunks of trees, we're talking about clusters of an oak specimen. If you look at canopy it's actually 23 canopies with the trunks clustered in underneath those and we are seeking to maximize as many of those as protection is also. We also entered an agreement with the Vandenberg CSD that along Clubhouse Drive is a community benefit to the site. That we are, the old pines that were removed long time ago, we are replacing with mature oaks to enhance the benefits along Clubhouse Drive. So it's another public benefit that we're offering to enhance the entire Vandenberg Village area and that combined with housing and combined with all the benefits that we have I think we provide the public nexus for the rezone.
We are looking at the off site areas. We do have flexibility in our conditions of approval to provide any benefit we can, in terms of maximizing where we can do restoration. We've been working with California Fish and Wildlife, US Fish and Wildlife. There are many properties that we could actually look for if we wanted to be able to provide that which would be part of that open space management plan that has to be approved prior to recordation of the map. This is common for some projects that we do, do off sites. Those off sites you normally have to be able to have an approved project to be able to procure lands from owners if we did conservation easements and also work with federal agencies. They want an approved project with an approved environmental document so that we could go in and negotiate with them.
That's why the conditions are written the way they are, that we could not record this map unless we have all that set in stone. Habitat conservation plans in place, incidental take permits in place, all of this is required. Fuel management is very important, and I think we've learned this lesson this year with the Thomas fire. A lot of thought was put into fuel management. This site, we do have the benefit that it's a relatively flat site which we would not be seeing the intensity of fires through this area that you would say like a Toro Canyon that would have down in Montecito for the unfortunate folks down there. But we did one step further, because of the sensitivity of this site. This is probably the first project that's ever been done in Santa Barbara County where we brought fire department and US Fish and Wildlife together in the same room to help us design our fuel management.
So this is something that not only comes from our biologists, it also has input from the fire department. And the governmental agencies so that we have a true blend of fuel management protection to maximize not only this site, but to provide fire breaks for south of the Vandenberg Village area. But it also provides protections of their resources too as well. As part of the fuel management, we have placed the required 30 foot clear zone entirely on the lots just so that we can maximize protection of the chaparral habitat.
I did want to bring Mr. Gary Blake just for one minute to come up and introduce himself, and to talk about what their vision, and then I'll do concluding remarks.
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Chairman Lavin, you know and board members. My name is Gary Blake I'm one of the managing members of Oak Hills estate I wanted to talk just about a couple of efforts that we've taken that I think go above and beyond what's normal in the areas of community out outreach and involvement and also addressing the critical need for housing in the Vandenberg village area Dave described a little bit about the outreach, but we held three neighborhood meetings at what's now the Mission Club and Those started in August of 2014. And our last one was last December and in the course of those meetings We actually had 122 attendees who from the very beginning were Invited to participate in the design process Address their concerns and and actually to be a stakeholder in the project So I've actually got with me a list of those members the attendees we Also in your board packet, I believe was a letter from the Mission Club Supporting the project and the Mission Club actually represents its members which I think is an important thing to consider That I believe is unusual to get that much support.
I know some of you board members wanted letters of support, but my experience from developing in the past is usually what you hear is the people that are in opposition and it's much more difficult to get the people who are on support of a project to step up and write a letter, but I think it was evidenced very much by their attendance in these meetings regularly over the course of three years.
The other thing that we did was we recognized the critical need for housing so we went out and acquired data from a company called Esri which is one of the leading demographic companies in the United States to give us a five-year forecast For actually Vandenberg Village Lompoc and Vandenberg Air Force Base I believe some of that data is in your board packet as well But some of the highlights on a five-year forecast if you could
give them quickly, please.
Yes There's going to be a growth of twenty four hundred fifty six That's a lot of people in the area and there is going to be a need for 784 owner-occupied homes. I have no idea where those are coming from, but I suspect we could be a little bit of help in helping that happen. So I'll wrap it up quickly and just say, I believe that we've got evidence of support. And believe this is a great project to help businesses grow and prosper in the area thrive and contribute to the healthy economy of Santa Barbara County. Thank you.
Mr. Swank, if you got a quick close? Right, correct. In conclusion as the slide and the staff has said this project is consistent with the general plan. It is one of the last parcels in Vandenberg that we can see built out. We meet all the required development standards policies. We have neighborhood support and a fully mitigated EIR. And we believe per legal counsel we are consistent with the SB 35 provisions and we have a strong staff recommendation report.
That does conclude, I would ask if it pleases the chair and members of the board that after the questions and public comment if we have a very short concluding statement. And that concludes our presentation.
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Guzzone? Chair Labadino and supervisors just before the board Deliberates on this or receives public comment. I just wanted to based on some questions that were going back and forth underscore the board's discretion in this area, especially within the CEQA EIR that the board is exercising its independent judgment and analysis so you receive a staff recommendation you receive draft findings Lots of words with the draft in their proposed recommendations but it is boards independent judgment that controls very good any
questions supervisor Adam How about the applicant? Does anybody have questions of the applicant first? No. Santa Barbara, Supervisor
Hartman. Mr. Swank, would you comment? I've got a couple of questions. First about restoring the drainage on the central part of this site. Was that looked into and is that possible?
Supervisor Hartman, members of the supervisors. We have been in consultation with Flood Control District and that's one of the things that they have discussed with us. Any drainage off site because we are going to be developing the site any required improvements in that the flood control requires us to do I know they are interested in that and of course we would do that if we need to So it is an eyesore, so I think it benefits us to be able to improve it and to make sure that it can accommodate the drainage and also restore it to a more natural state.
And would you talk more about the mature oaks that you said were along Clubhouse Drive?
Supervisor Hartman, members of the supervisors. Yes as we've had a lot of discussions with the Vandenberg Village CSD who owns the open space parcel that used to be part of Country Club Estates. There have been a lot of concerns from neighbors in that area that there was pines that used to be along there and when clubhouse estates and a bunch of utilities were installed killed off the pines so they've been removed. So they had asked us as part of our Oak mitigation That would we be interested in doing this as a community benefit, and we agreed to that. So it's part of our open mitigation. We have a landscape architecture firm, Firma, that is helping Rincon Consultants in terms of our formal landscaping. We do have a landscaping plan to put mature like 48 inch box above trees along there to provide that benefit for the community.
One of the benefits also with Clubhouse Estates doing open space there is they already have water lines all through there. So it's easy for us to connect not only these trees, but any mitigation we do along here. We already have an existing water supply and the CSD is agreeable for us to use those. So that's how we would do it.
And just to follow up, so those mature oaks, that's separate and distinct from the mitigation plan?
Supervisor Hartman, members of supervisors. Those will be part of our count as part of the oaks. We have 740 and some change oaks. The trees go along there. Of course these are larger ones they have to be spaced but that portion those trees would count toward the oaks that we're replacing.
And if I understood you correctly Again, I'm troubled by the mitigation site. It's surrounded on three sides by roads. It is a very unusual situation. Studies of mitigation under EIRs in California have shown that very few really end up taking hold and existing without a management beyond the five years we don't really have that. Are you willing or is it possible to explore other mitigation opportunities like the service and the Department of Fish and Wildlife suggested you explore?
Supervisor Hartman, members of the board. For your first part of the question I'm going to bring Colby Boggs our biologist because he's the one that's designing But yes, we are open on exploring other areas. We do have wiggle room in our conditions that allowed us for example the Burton Mesa Preserve. We have been talking to California Department of Fish and Wildlife. They have an area that they have discussed with us. It's basically an old bean farm that has already a few maritime chaparral species popping up. And they're very interested in that being done.
Actually, Rincon is planning on taking that opportunity to the State Lands Commission in April. We think that they would like that. It has a side benefit because US Fish and Wildlife likes that area for the El Segundo butterfly. So we have been exploring that one too as well. Whatever, and we also identified, this is actually working with California Fish and Wildlife of 12 other properties in the area that they say is sufficient to, that they said if you're interested in looking them, that they will assist with us too as that. So we don't have to be wedded to the clubhouse estate site, and we're totally open. We want the best place possible to do that. And we know in our conditions of approval that we have to have that all approved prior to allow us to record the map and we can't build anything.
Until everything has to be set in place, the bonding has to be done. So we're very confident of that and we've actually been very well along in that process. So to answer your first question because I know you and I have discussed the offsite concerns which are very valid concerns. I'd like Colby to come up if you'd like to explain what we have planned.
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All right, well thank you David. Supervisor Hartman and members of the board my name is Colby Boggs principal biologist with Rincon Consultants and to speak to the off-site compensatory mitigation needs we share your concerns and a lot 54 which is owned and managed by the Vandenberg Village CSD Is not going to fully mitigate for the projects impacts. We know that, we know that it's a site that cannot accomplish all the mitigation needs. It's also a site that is not satisfactory to the US Fish and Wildlife Service as complete mitigation specific to the El Segundo blue butterfly because of the known occurrences of that species are too far away. And so we know that we have to look at other areas other than lot 54 for off-site compensatory mitigation.
And so that's why we have engaged and have continued to engage with the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, with regards to opportunities on the reserve. And we have met with the former reserve manager at the fallow bean field that's out there on site. It's also an area that is in close proximity to known occurrences of California red legged frog. In addition to the El Segundo blue butterfly, and as Mr. Swank mentioned in that area that is currently fallow there are natural recruits of maritime chaparral species.
It also has the soils that are the exact same type as on the Oak Hills estate site and so it's very promising. And it is a site that we still are exploring and hope to be on the state lands commission agenda next month.
And who would manage that long term?
Well, the funding would come from the applicant for the initial restoration effort up to five years. And then after that and this is where and this is why this process takes so long as particularly on state lands as to the funding mechanism and the responsible party for long term management. So that will be a part of the negotiation, the ongoing negotiation and agreement that hopefully has reached we hope with the state.
And if I have one final, not for you but Mr. Gazzone how then does the board, how do we weigh in on the mitigation part of this going forward?
Charlie no and supervisor Hartman. We were just discussing Deputy County Council Jenna Richardson And I were just discussing that some of the discussion you're having right now would probably result in the board continuing the item if you wanted to go down that road and Asking for alternate conditions, but I'm not sure how far you want to go with this? And I will again Say that this is an area where the board exercises its independent judgment as to As to whether certain conditions are adequate and the environmental document is adequate.
For the moment, okay? Do we have any questions of Colby or anybody else from the applicant from Santa Barbara, Supervisor Wolfe?
Thank you Mr. Chair. It's an easy question, it's on the applicant's PowerPoint. On the front cover across from the development there is something that looks like little brown buildings and then on page 3 of the PowerPoint. They're not there and they're not on any of the, I can't find them in the EIR either so my question is on that very first cover page of the PowerPoint what are those blocks? Those brown blocks
Supervisor Wolf, members of the board. Those blocks there that is the vias at Oak Hills project. Mike Stoker had done a small project there of some condos. Those have not been built yet. That map has been recorded. And the building permits are in process to be developed there. So that was superimposed because that's a future development, it's close, that's one of the other parcels that's being built out. So those are the conceptual of those but we anticipate those will probably be built within the year.
Okay thank you for clarifying that then let me ask staff a question. Was that development taken into account during the development of the EIR as it relates to traffic and cumulative impacts?
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Mr. Chair, Supervisor Wolff, yes it was. That Stoker Development or I think it's also referred to as oddly enough Oak Hills. It was contemplated for cumulative impact analysis in the EIR.
Okay great thank you.
Supervisor Williams, any questions?
Well, yeah my question is similar in the approach to mitigation. I mean did you get obviously Mitigation is possible on site if you use less of the acreage for The lots themselves and more for corresponding open space And I mean did you look at, instead of doing half an acre, doing a third of an acre or some different size of lots that would enable more of the land to be used as open space, as a buffer to preserve or a buffer to ashes?
Supervisor Williams, members of the board. A big decision in making the kind of lots is in essence an economic condition. I would probably have Mr. Blake come up because he could give the reasons why we're doing the size that we're doing.
Chairman Lawman, you know board members Mr. Williams yes the lots actually are considerably less than a half acre they're about 10,000 square feet 11,000 square feet on average we reached out to the community and really looked hard at what we believe were the needs and how we created a compatible development that would Fit with the half acre lots to the north of us and be compatible with what's to the east of us. So we tried really hard to do what we felt was the right mix of open space, I believe it's more than 54% open space. Really sensitive site design and really looking at what we believed the need was in the market for the type of housing that people wanted.
Anything else for
now? I guess not. I just was curious about what specifically if you did look at it, I appreciate that there's a balance with the surrounding densities but it does not seem that this is in any way approaching high density development so typically A lot that wants a project that wants to integrate with the surrounding neighborhoods can has various options either smaller lots or the possibility of doing, you know.
10 of the units as duplexes removed from the others or some other combination thereof. Was other things looked at like that, that would facilitate more land towards the open space buffer?
Supervisor Williams, members of the board. A very good question. This goes back to planning theory. So when trying to decide what densities you're going to do on a site, of course you have to look at your general plan. That's the first thing. The next thing you look at is where your location is in the general plan. Typically, what you normally see is you see higher density the closer you get into the urban core. But then you start decreasing densities the closer you get to open space and rural areas to serve as that transitional buffer.
What we selected in terms of this is we also have the balance of the resources on site. The resources are next to us. We're trying to be very sensitive to the Burton Mesa Preserve. We have half acres that are located at the east. We have higher density. Kind of like a transition between those higher densities, lower densities. And also as Mr. Blake had mentioned we took a lot of input from the neighbors and what the neighbors wanted. The neighbors spoke out a lot about the condos to the south they asked us is there any way you can buy that property? And Bill what you're doing on there so they wanted to see the quarter acre lots because they felt that was consistent with their neighborhood. So there is a lot of things aside it was a very long process.
And I feel for you because obviously most people who live in single family neighborhoods don't like multi-family until they want their kids to live somewhere. But, I'm not suggesting multi-family but because of you have various densities in the surrounding areas You have a little bit more, I suppose room for ideas. Of course the other option would be instead of having smaller lots having fewer units to have more of an open space buffer. Did you look at that?
Obviously you looked at the environmentally superior option was there some Level between the environmental superior option and this option that was possible economically, or did you look at that?
Mr. Williams, members of the board and you're right everything in the end run becomes an economic decision I know the numbers were calc out for the environmentally superior option to 22 and economically due to the huge carrying costs and the large expenses that are involved with the off sites with restoration That cost is the same regardless so when you start dividing those by the number of units those houses quickly become too expensive for people to buy So actually we had come down, the original we were looking at was in the 30s.
It had come down due to input from their relatives, I mean sure that the neighbors and their relatives and also to the physical environment there with California Fish and Wildlife said to us and everybody so when with the reason we have proposed the 29 it was a lot of thought and it was the balance of all You know, layers that we have to look at is for the reason why the 29 now whether they could consider going slightly few Lots in there. I know there's been talk about possibly a pocket park which we probably could do In fact, I think of a couple parcels near the road would be perfect for that I know Fish and Wildlife had a really discouraging public on this site. In fact, there's a lot of trespass trails they've asked us to close off on the site because a lot of people use this site to get into preserve but all these things I understand when you're discussing to try to go with fewer lots on the site possibly we could with a benefit like a park which increases the value of the property now we could look at those
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Well then, is the appropriate thing to do is to look at the desire as articulated by Supervisor Hartman for additional mitigations of that kind and continue the item? Would that be the appropriate thing because obviously that's something we should discuss with you before a rezone I would think.
Supervisor Williams, members of the board, I would have to confer with my clients in terms of doing that. And I do would like to respond to your question earlier, Supervisor Hartman when we can.
Okay, Supervisor Adam? Okay well first of all I just have to take the opportunity to say that Mr. Boggs, that is a magnificent beard. Just love that thing. I'm sick but I'm not dead yet. So we're talking about 29 houses here. We're not talking about 2900 houses it's like We're talking about some massive subdivision that's gonna make all this difference. And you're talking about taking one house out of the thing to make a pocket, but I don't know why you're sitting here. Honest to God, I don't know why you're sitting here negotiating this at this point.
Supervisor
Adam, members of the board. As part of the request to my concluding remarks I think it really speaks directly to what Supervisor Williams is saying. It's, I don't know if this is something that could alleviate an impact or not, I'm not sure. We want the best possible
You know, maybe that was a rhetorical question. Thank you. You know I just think this is such a reasonable project it fits with the neighborhood and it's 50% over 50% open space already. I mean how hard can you squeeze on these guys? You know after a while you're just telling people we want you to apply for the permits do these things and how many years have you been working on this
Supervisor Adam members of the board. I think we're sitting at about four years now Yeah before yes, we've an environmental review for two years
okay? So so you know this is a 29 house I mean everybody knows we need more housing and everybody knows we need more more property tax I don't know what you know, this is just a no brainer to me. They've given up everything they've been asked to give up so far Why do we have to squeeze them one more time and and maybe not even one more time? You know John will do you want this thing voted on today or do you want okay good deal? You know We just squeeze this stuff and squeeze it and squeeze it and turn the account And it provides a great disincentive for anybody else to come in. And maybe that's what we're trying to do, but it seems like we could do it in a more straightforward way.
All right, thank you. We're going to take public comment. Do you have a less than one minute wrap up?
Okay. Chair Lavenino, members of the board, to address Supervisor Hartman when it talks about maintenance of off sites mitigation for long term and I think I can satisfy you. If we could look at the Curletti project that we did, the guest worker housing project where we had to do an incidental take permit in a habitat conservation plan and this is for Tiger Salamander. And this is how Fish & Wildlife does it. So once we do a habitat conservation plan and it's set aside, there is money that's set aside as an endowment. The HOA will be responsible for submitting that, and it's in perpetuity. And this is what Fish and Wildlife requires. And we don't know what that amount, that's part of what Mr. Boggs talks about that negotiation. But the HOA will be responsible providing the funds for that, and I think we're at like 13 acres?
13, 14 acres is what we're required to do as part of this. But that funding has to be done. We can't get the Habitat Conservation Plan until we give that to them. So hopefully that's satisfy you. There has to be a permanent for any habitat conservation plan where you're setting aside. The only other way to do it is to purchase someone's development rights or conservation easement on someone else's property but the financials are always have to be guaranteed for them to sign off on it.
Okay, thank you very much.
We'll now go to public comment.
No request to speak.
Okay, very good. I'm going to bring it back to the board for input. Oh staff do you have anything else you'd like to add after all the applicants presentation? Ms. Zorich.
Mr. Levin, members of the board so just to be clear so that there's lots of discussion here about the off site mitigation and so the way the conditions and mitigation measures have been drafted so far it has just contemplated the Vandenberg Village CSD sites. So we don't have other options or we didn't evaluate other options or include those in the mitigation measures if There were alternative sites looked at, we would have to take another look at that because we didn't prepare mitigation measures to contemplate other sites. It was mainly the applicant proposed this site and that's what we kind of took forward so I just wanted to clarify that. I think otherwise, I know the board is contemplating different ideas. Obviously if there's changes to the project, the park, less lots that would be something that we would probably want to come back and ask for a continuance and maybe some clarifications of the board if they're so directed or if they inclined to go in that direction.
Otherwise, I have no other comments.
Okay,
go to Supervisor Adam. I'm going to make a motion that we accept staff's recommendations here because I think this is as I said before reasonable project it's over 50% open space already we need the housing we need the money and it fits with the neighborhood and so I hope that we can just put aside Petty objections, which I think are petty objections and approve this project.
Okay? I thought you were sick today. You seem like you're in rare form. You're doing all right. Feeling better. I think I'm just crankier than usual because I'm sick. I haven't had a chance to weigh in yet. So before we wait for a second, unless your light was on for the second.
No, I just had a matter of procedure or courtesy when I was on the planning commission it was usually the person in whose district The project was that was allowed to make the motion and I never knew what it was here on the board so just asking that question
Okay, well we've kind of had it all over the place but usually his light was on first otherwise I'd have gone to you. I didn't know he was making a motion at that point.
Yeah and you know I'll explain that. You know this thing is technically in your district. I get that but it's much my district as well. You know I have a lot of constituents in there and I'm friends with the applicant. I just say that. Generally, we tend to overthink these things. And in this case I think it's extremely severe and I just went ahead and shot for the moon.
Maybe I can talk somebody into being reasonable today. All
right so my take on this is kind of somewhere in between I guess Absolutely, you know when we look at this I'm on LAFCO and that's where you realize that lines actually mean things so when it We put up an urban boundary line. That means that's where we want housing to be And it's always interesting to me like when we put designated open space or we prove reserve or preserve That's the line and then that line becomes We want a buffer next to that line, and then we don't want development bumping into that buffer.
Well if you wanted that originally you would have put the line further down so eventually you have to if you have something in the urban line we want something there. So this is one of those transition properties, like Supervisor Adams said. It's over 50% open space right now. Obviously I think when your own applicant's biologist though comes up and says that the mitigation isn't sufficient on the offsite, that it would be preferable if we had something onsite. And I think the applicant probably should have brought something today that was onsite because if you're going to make the testimony Not acceptable, then you probably should have had an alternative.
So I like the project. I think everybody up here likes the project it sounds like. We all know we need housing but I think you have to and I don't know how difficult that is to come back with. It sounds like you've already studied something and realized that's mode you were going to move into but I'd be willing to obviously give my conditional approval and my support of the project, but I want to see it developed a little bit more with the mitigation being on site which I think you guys agree with.
Any other board members? Supervisor Hartman? You're going to close. Okay, so Supervisor Williams or Wolfe and then Supervisor Hartman will close.
Go ahead. You know, there was the question of how long this project has taken and I think the applicant mentioned that it took two years of environmental review. And I know what that entailed. And I think our environmental review, there's a reason why we do that. And that's why I talked earlier about the environmentally superior option and it's not the no project.
The environmentally superior option was basically the... I'm trying to look at its 20 homes And it does say the reason why the EIR suggested this is specifically for the reasons that we're talking about right now. Is that it would reduce significant impacts associated with aesthetic, biological resources, cultural resources, geology, hydrology, water quality, noise and fire protection compared to the proposed project.
It's still meeting the project's objective of housing, obviously not as much as the original project. But you can continue to... Obviously mitigations onsite are better than offsite but to me if we're looking at what is the best I I will have a hard time supporting the 29 unit project as proposed, even if there is on-site mitigation. Because the best mitigation is to reduce the number of homes for this project.
Thank you Mr. Chair.
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Well, I want to appreciate Mr. Adams sentiment and maybe I would just say that maybe sometimes you jump the gun when we down here in the South aren't going to go from no, no, no, no to yes, yes, yes, yes overnight. And if some of us are trying to get to yes it might be good to allow there to be a path to get to yes and You know, Supervisor Hartman's asks for better mitigation is particularly reasonable in light of the Planning Commission turning down the rezone.
And so I guess my preference would be that you retain the number of units but are able to do better mitigation including on-site mitigation. My second option would be to have Fewer units, but be able to do adequate better mitigation. Particularly on-site mitigation and only my third option would be to say no. And so I hope that there's a way that we can move forward today, but I'm not prepared to just support the rezone without any commitment of us working on this together.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The first thing I'd like to say is that I did encounter various neighbors at various meetings I attended office hours and they were very complimentary of the outreach and the attentiveness of the applicant to their concerns. While some neighbors would like to see fewer homes, I'm prepared to support the number of homes. I think that's somewhere between Supervisor Wolf and Supervisor Williams.
But I am concerned about the mitigation. This is an extraordinarily sensitive habitat. And so I'd like to see the drainage, as you said that would enhance the value of the homes. I'd love to see a pocket park and then when we talk about on-site mitigation, I think that term is a little confusing but what you suggested that the Fish and Wildlife Service or department, I'm not sure which Suggested something that can be better managed over time and it's ongoing success more Secure so the question I have is Can we give some conceptual approval today and come back on the mitigation?
So that we could sign off on that. I feel like we didn't quite get the full array of options on that to consider
Mr. Gazzani? Chair Lavagnino and Supervisor Hartman, I would recommend against a formal conceptual approval and instead it would be a continuance with direction to staff in certain areas. I'm just concerned about findings and this is an interesting mix of housing, CEQA development plan and some other items but I think that the board could certainly provide direction to staff and then they could receive that and come back with that direction.
Well I think an interested applicant with decent hearing could understand that there's at least three votes, maybe four votes for a project but we need to hear more about. Some of the mitigation, so Mr. Swank or staff do we have any idea how long that would take you or staff to review and come back to us at a time in the future?
Chair Lavagnino and members of the board, in a brief conversation with the applicant. They're indicating that they would need approximately two months to look into further explore the mitigation options and then allow staff to receive that information return to the board at potentially June 19th to come back. And that's prefaced on the applicant being able to get the information to us and us to evaluate that.
Okay let's tentatively Schedule for June 19th, or do we want to tentatively schedule it? You want to set it. We're good miss black is giving me the thumbs up but Okay
So chair Lavanino Yes, so even though we've heard indirectly from the applicant after we hear from his black My recommendation would be to hear that the applicant directly is fine with it whatever
date you're proposing for continued. Okay, we're checking the date right now and In the meantime, Ms. Black?
Mr. Chair, I would recommend that you continue it to whatever date we decide on, continue it to that date and then if we need a bit more time-
We can always move it. Okay. Miss Miyasato are we okay with that
date? That date is fine. We have a hearing scheduled in Santa Maria.
Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. When this motion comes forward I'm going to vote no. I think that the whole issue of rezoning is such a big deal and so important and then when you have significant impacts you look toward the findings or the public benefit And I will say at this point, given what we heard from staff there is no... I cannot make the findings that there is a community benefit to this project.
Now it's going to come back, that may change but at this time I just want to be clear why I'm not going forward with this motion.
Okay, thank you very much. Mr Swank are you okay with the 19th of June? Mr Chair members of
the board yes we are I would request the board if we could speaking on conceptual approval that helps us in our negotiations with Fish and Wildlife We are docketing in April to state lands or very advanced so we're confident we can have everything wrapped up by then but If we could get a conceptual nod we can then inform the agencies
likewise Well, I think
we've already been advised not to do that. But I think that if you gave them a tape of this proceedings they'd be able to figure that out so At this point direction so I'll take a motion
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Yes, this is a substitute motion that we continue to June is it 19th and That we second okay
And do we need further direction?
Yeah, so coming back with I'd like to see something about the drainage about a pocket park and then off-site mitigation with an endowment for long term management.
Repeat my second.
We have a motion in a second roll call please.
Ms. Wolfe? No. Ms. Hartman? Aye Mr. Adam? Aye Mr. Lavinino? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 4-1 Okay,
so I think Mr. Adams are you staying on? Yeah okay Mr. Adam is gonna be let's take a let's take a five minute break ten minute break oh shoot All right, we're reconvening our meeting of the Board of Supervisors. Mr. Allen can you read in item number two please?
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Chair Lavinino, members of the Board. Item 2 is from Planning and Development. It's a hearing to consider the Planning Commission's recommendations to approve the Bell Street Ordinance Amendment Intent of Track Map Mixed-Use Land Use Permit and Government Code Section 65402 Conformity Discrimination which will effectuate an ordinance amendment for all parcel zone CMLA within the Los Alamos Community Plan and for the development of mixed use project at 230 St. Joseph Street in Los Alamos. This is in the 3rd District.
Okay, we'll wait until we have a quorum. Can I get the sergeant in arms to- Get down at Santa Barbara. Okay. Welcome back. I'm here. Good. All right, thank you. Staff? We're ready.
Good morning Mr. Chair, members of the board. I will now be presenting the proposal for the Bell Street Ordinance Amendment Tentative Track Map and Mixed-Use Land Use Permit. This is an aerial view of the proposed project site. As you can see, Bell Street is located north, Highway 135. St. Joseph Street is located to the west of the site and Waite Street is located to the south.
Adjacent uses to the north, east, and west are commercial and uses to the south are residential. This slide shows the zoning of the proposed project site. It is within the CMLA, or Community Mixed Use Los Alamos Zone District along the Bell Street Corridor. Adjacent zoning to the south is residential. This is a close-up view of the proposed development. To orient you, Bell Street is on the left side of the screen and St. Joseph Street is on the bottom.
The proposed tentative tract map is for a one lot subdivision for two duplex structures which would total to four residential units and one commercial structure. The commercial structure would be approximately 5,200 square feet. And the four residential units would total approximately 7,000 square feet. Parking would be located in the middle of the lot and would be composed of seven parking spaces, four of which would be covered and assigned to each of the residential units.
In addition, the project includes a six-foot wide road abandonment area along St. Joseph Street and a five foot wide roadway easement dedication area along Waite Street This slide shows the development as it would be seen from Bell Street looking toward Waite Street, so St. Joseph's Street is located on the right side of the screen. The development includes Western-style architecture including covered porches, a wraparound covered wooden boardwalk and natural colors of wood.
The Central Board of Architectural Review or CBAR reviewed and did conceptually approve the proposed development. So during the next couple of slides, I will walk you through what the ordinance changes would look like. This section of the Land Use and Development Code 352470B explains that all lots including thru-lots and corner lots with a front line abutting Bell Street shall be considered to have a front line on Bell Street.
This next section 35 24 70 d3 of the code states that dwelling units are permitted on all floors of buildings Located on a lot where the front line does not abut Bell Street So with approval of the proposed ordinance amendment The code would read that dwelling units are permitted on all floors of buildings That about a through street and or a but a secondary street on a lot without a Bell Street frontline. I This exhibit shows what is currently allowed by the Land Use and Development Code. So, the gray and slashed rectangles represent building locations.
The lot on the very right is an example of a lot that is considered to have a Bell Street front line on all three sides because the front property line abuts Bell Street. The lot in the middle and on the top left corner also have Bell Street front lines. So under the current ordinance, any proposed structure on these lots that have Bell Street front lines would not allow for residential uses on the ground floor.
The lot on the bottom left corner does not have any Bell Street front lines because the front property line does not abut Bell Street. So on this slot, residential uses at the moment are allowed on the ground floor. With approval of this Ordinance Amendment, buildings that abut the Threw Street on a lot with a Bell Street front line would be allowed to have residential on the ground floor as depicted by these red rectangles.
With approval of the Ordinance Amendment, the proposed project would comply with the Land Use and Development Code. Retail trade and multifamily dwellings are allowed uses within the CMLA zone In addition, the project would comply with this CMLA zone density standard which states that a residential use shall not exceed two bedrooms per 700 square feet of gross floor area of commercial development on the same lot.
So in this case the commercial structure is approximately 5,200 square feet which would equate to a total of 14 bedrooms. However the applicant is only proposing 12 bedrooms and the residential structures therefore the project complies with this density standard The proposed project is consistent with the comprehensive plan, the Los Alamos community plan and the Bell Street design guidelines For environmental review of the project, staff utilized CEQA Guidelines Section 15168C which allows for a subsequent activity that involves site-specific development.
For this project, a supplemental document to the county certified Los Alamos Community Plan Environmental Impact Report was prepared. Staff concluded that the project would not have any new significant environmental effects. There would be no substantial increase in the severity of previously identified significant effects, and no new mitigation measures are necessary.
Staff recommends that your board adopt an ordinance amending Section 35-1, the Santa Barbara County Land Use and Development Code of Chapter 35. Make the required findings for approval of the project. Approve the tentative track map subject to the conditions of approval. Approve the land use permit subject to conditions of approval. And determine that as reflected in the CEQA findings no subsequent environmental impact report or ND shall be prepared for this project.
This concludes staff's presentations. We're happy to answer any questions. The applicant, Mr. Tom Ochsner is here as well to answer your questions. Thank you.
Thank you.
Oh we have to do ex parte I've been told so I will start with Supervisor Hartman.
None to report?
I have none to report. Senator Barbara?
Nothing.
Nothing nothing with me. Okay very good Miss Black?
Mr. Chair, I should have made this announcement before Ms. Montanious started her presentation. So Narada or Ray has been with the department for about two years and I believe this is her first presentation at the board so I think it's probably a good idea to introduce our staff we're thrilled that she's on staff and just a little tidbit about her she just told me she got engaged Wow
Big news, congratulations. Supervisor Hartman?
Thank you Mr. Chair. I just had a question about the visual presentation for how you- that was terrific did you do that?
Yes thank you the animations I did that with the help of my supervisors here.
Yeah trying to explain it in words gets very difficult but thank you that was extremely helpful. Do
we need to hear from the applicant Mr. Gazzani?
Our standard procedure is to hear from the applicant, even if it's short. Okay.
You have the floor. Your name again? I'm sorry.
Mr. Chair and Supervisors, my name is Tom Ochsner, Project Architect. I really don't have a presentation. I think staff's done a great job. I'm here to answer any questions. We've been working patiently for a long time for this project. It's kind of the first one that's gone through the Bell Street guidelines in some regards. So we're really excited to see it move forward. Thank you.
One of my favorite places to be on the weekend, Bell Street. That's right. All right so do we have any questions from the board of staff or the applicant? Supervisor Wolk?
I just thank you. I just have a comment and I'm really pleased to see this move forward. I think this is a great project. Thank you Mr. Chair.
All right. Is there any public comment?
No request to speak.
No request to speak. I will kick it over to Supervisor Hartman.
Thank you, I'm prepared to make a motion that we approve staff's recommendation on page 2 of our staff report A through F.
Second.
Motion and second has been made Mr. Allen
roll call. Oh, can I just add that I would am effusive in my support of projects like this. This is a wonderful model of mixed use and we need more of that.
Agreed.
Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye Mr. Lavinino?
Aye
Mr. Williams? Aye Passes 4-0
All right, your first presentation gets passed 4-0.
Thank you.
Let's hope that continues. I'm going to stay positive. Okay, we're going to
move to item number four and this will be the well, I don't know. We'll figure lunch here in a minute but I have to, I'm going to be leaving here in about 15 minutes but I will return. But if I leave in the middle of the presentation do not take it personal. So, Mr. Allen can you read in item 4 please?
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Chair Lavagnino and members of the board, Item 4 is from the Planning and Development Department. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Coastal Resiliency Project and this is a briefing from the staff.
Alright I think Supervisor Hartman is going to kind of chair it from here on out for this item so if there are questions from Santa Barbara just chime in
Okay.
All right, good morning Chair Labanino and Supervisors. I'm Selena Evelsizer, I'm a planner in long range planning. We're here today to present the Coastal Resiliency Project to you and to request your initial feedback on potential local coastal program policy changes to address hazards from sea level rise. The Coastal Resiliency Project has been carried out in these four phases. We have completed the first three, which are sea level rise, coastal hazard modeling and mapping, preparation of a vulnerability assessment and creation of potential adaptation strategies. We're now in the final phase which is an LCP amendment.
This shows our overall schedule. We started this project back in June of 2014 and we're currently in the public hearing phase. We anticipate having a certified LCP amendment by the summer or fall of 2019 One question to address before I discuss what the project is exactly and the policies, is why are we doing this now? There's several reasons. First is that the state of California has been creating legislation requiring us to incorporate climate change into our existing plans.
And preparing civil rights policy guidance documents for cities, counties and state agencies to use. Secondly and most importantly from staff's perspective, we want to provide predictability for applicants who are seeking coastal development permits. So far the Coastal Commission has been driving this issue through their appeals process meaning we've been looking at sea level rise on a permit by permit basis which isn't consistent or predictable.
Also, grant funding was essential in putting this project together and there is a fair amount of funding out there for future phases if so desired. And finally we want to assure that we are getting ahead of hazards before and preparing for them before they occur. The Coastal Resiliency Project is intended to analyze potential hazards and lead to stronger policies on our coast. It is a launching point for additional adaptation activities, however at this time it doesn't encompass changes to our Capital Improvement Plans, our Public Facility Plans Local Sediment Management Plans or Habitat Management Plans Coastal hazards resulting from sea level rise include these that you see here, short and long-term cliff and dune erosion, coastal and fluvial or stream flooding during large storm events.
Also wave run up during storm events and then rising tides. Sea level rise will exacerbate these existing coastal hazards with the higher tides and increased storm frequencies. The entire county coastline, so even the coastline contained within the incorporated cities was modeled to view potential impacts and hazards from sea level rise. And then we focused on assets that are only located within the unincorporated areas of the county. So those areas you see in the purple to assess those assets for potential vulnerabilities.
The vulnerability assessment was prepared by mapping coastal assets in those unincorporated areas and assessing whether they fell within the coastal hazard areas that result from the sea level rise modeling. The high sea level rise scenarios were used, and I'll explain what that means on the next slide. The worst-case scenario is used for each time step. The worst case scenario for this project is considered to be the high sea level rise scenario in combination with a high tide, a 100 year storm event and wave run up from that storm event so it's pretty significant hazard event Sea level rise through the end of this century was projected using the National Research Council's 2012 publication for the West Coast.
The NRC projected sea level rise of up to 27 inches by the year 2060 and up to 60 inches or 5 feet at the end of this century. That 60 inches by the year 2100 is that high sea level rise scenario that we used for the vulnerability assessment. An update by the state of California this past April confirmed these projections. Our model factored in our local coastline topography and conditions into these projections for our specific coastline, so those projections were tailored to our coast.
This is one of the draft sea level rise coastal hazard screening maps that have been prepared from the modeling data. These maps are in attachment 4 of your board letter and are also available on Long Range Planning's website. These maps could be used as a first step to understanding hazards and effects at locations along the coast. So these were the eight sectors that we studied in the vulnerability assessment.
We assess potential vulnerabilities for everything from hazardous material sites to bicycle lanes. It's a lot of data, a lot of really useful interesting information but instead of going through each sector and the conclusions here I'm just going to touch on land use and public facilities but if you have any questions about any of the other sectors I'm happy to bring them up For land use, we calculated acres of land vulnerable to hazards looking at residential, commercial and open space lands.
We found a potential for 765 acres of residential lands to be vulnerable to coastal hazards by the year 2100 and almost 800 residential structures could be affected. Within the public facilities sector, we looked at schools, police stations, fire stations and emergency medical facilities. Fortunately, we found that a few public facilities would be impacted by sea level rise within the county.
No police or emergency medical facilities are vulnerable. Only two schools are vulnerable, that's the Summerland Elementary School and the Music Academy of the West. Although only a portion of each campus falls within the flooding hazard zone and we would need close to five feet of sea level rise in order for that potential flooding to occur. Summerlin Fire Station number two is also partially within the year 2100 hazard zone, but that gives us ample time to start planning for any potential adaptation measures to protect that structure.
One thing to keep in mind is that the vulnerability assessment used the worst case scenario and assumed that there would be no adaptation measures used to protect existing structures. Some of the results that we found were alarming, but other results were considered to be pretty positive for our jurisdiction. The Gaviot Oil Terminal is not projected to be impacted.
No police or emergency medical facilities were found to be at risk. Few hazardous material sites either storage sites or underground tanks were vulnerable. And then not until we approach close to 5 feet of sea level rise. Finally, one positive additional positive result is that this modeling effort is available to the public on an online sea level rise hazard mapping tool.
This is a screenshot of that mapping tool it was created for us by The Nature Conservancy And it's available online through CoastalResiliency.org and you can easily scroll around the entire county coastline to view different sea level rise scenarios and resulting coastal hazards Public outreach has occurred throughout the duration of this project through technical stakeholder group meetings, coastal commission staff consultation and a significant amount of public workshops and meetings. We held two public workshops one in Carpinteria and one in Goleta this past summer as well as one beach demonstration event in Summerland And we presented to local groups such as the Building Industry Advisory Group, the Agricultural Advisory Committee, the Central Coast Sustainability Summit, Citizens Planning Association and El Capitan Ranchers and Homeowners.
Now that we've identified some vulnerabilities, I'll talk about potential adaptation strategies. These strategies generally fall into these following six categories. One option is to do nothing in advance of a hazard event and then respond after the hazard event occurs. Another strategy is to accommodate or to design for the hazard. Examples of this are constructing buildings so that if they are flooded, the building is still habitable and living space is protected.
Another strategy is to move development away from the hazard. This is sometimes called managed realignment or managed retreat. Another strategy is to avoid siting development in hazardous areas. Then other two last strategies are related to protection, you can construct green or soft protective measures or barriers such as re-vegetating dunes or nourishing beaches and the last strategy is to create hard protective devices like sea walls or vetments LCP policies can facilitate adaptation where it makes sense to do so.
The existing policies in the Coastal Land Use Plan have been reviewed to understand where new policies may need to be added or where existing policies may need to be enhanced. There are no changes to zoning or land use designations being proposed at this time, and we are starting with our existing policies whenever possible. One of our main goals throughout this project is to end up with a process that provides predictability to applicants who are seeking coastal development permits.
So the hazard policies were the initial focus. The hazard policies in our coastal land use plan work to ensure compliance with Coastal Act policies regarding new development and hazardous areas. We also looked at public access and recreation policies. Potential new policies include mitigating impacts to coastal access areas and recreation facilities. This is one example of one of the draft policies found in Attachment 3 to your board letter. I'll also give a couple more examples, but we can dive into any of the policies from Attachment 3.
Our existing policy 3-4 requires that bluff top development be set back from the bluff edge so that development is safe from erosion for 75 years. We are proposing to edit this policy so that additional erosion from sea level rise will be taken into consideration when that bluff top setback is determined. For this type of policy, development standards in the Coastal Zoning Ordinance would provide details on the type of hazard analysis and geologic report that would be required.
A potential public access policy change, as shown in the blue text there on the bottom, would require the county to work with landowners to pursue new public access ways if existing easements or corridors are lost or inaccessible due to sea level rise. The draft policies in Attachment 3 also contain other policies related to sediment management, real estate disclosure and coordination with other agencies for example.
This is one example of a potential new policy. It would require that property owners living within the sea level rise hazard areas record a notice to property owner when new development or substantial redevelopment occurs. It would notify the current and future property owners of potential hazards associated with sea level rise. Briefings of this project were given to the County Planning Commission in December and the Montecito Planning Commission last month.
Generally, members of the county commission stated support for policies that give permit applicants more certainty and solutions that protect the coastline including armoring solutions. Flexible building design options were discussed as one way of adapting to sea level rise. Members of the Montecito Planning Commission voiced support for natural or green coastal protective devices over hard barriers and felt that the high sea level rise scenarios are important to consider in project planning, in addition to medium scenarios.
The Commission felt that adaptation planning for all hazards is important, not just sea level rise. Many issues were discussed in depth during the iterative policy review process with local Coastal Commission staff over the past year and a half. Some of the more difficult topics still being discussed included issues such as whether property owners should waive their right to a future shoreline protective device, Whether new CDPs shall require a monitoring plan to identify the impacts of shoreline armoring and determine when the device is no longer needed so that it can be removed.
Whether the county shall prepare shoreline management plans for county recreational areas Whether property owners near public trust lands, generally like right along the coast on beachfront properties shall continually demonstrate that they hold adequate legal title and requiring that the development shall be removed if the public trust boundary moves inland as the beach or high tide land moves inland.
And whether new staircases or access ways on bluff faces shall be for public use, not private use. We will be updating the draft LCP policies with feedback we received today and we received at the Planning Commission briefings. We will then return to each planning commission for recommendations later this spring. We anticipate bringing the LCP amendment to your board later this summer or fall.
We then anticipate that the policies will be certified by the Coastal Commission the following year. This slide sets forth recommendations as shown in the board letter. Staff is now available to answer any questions you may have on the vulnerability assessment or the policies, or any aspect of this project. Thank you very much.
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Supervisor Wolf or Supervisor Williams?
Thank you, Madam Chair. One thing that I didn't see in the new policies was a mention of septic systems and I was wondering why that has not been added?
Supervisor Wolf through the chair...
And specifically for new development
I'm sorry. So with regard to septic systems, so I guess I should just specify generally that this is the first step in coastal resiliency and adaptation planning. So far we've intentionally tried to keep the policies at a higher level Um, but with specific regard to septic systems that is being considered in some of the policies like the bluff top setback policy.
We are looking at you know for parcels that are on bluff top parcels now how far back must septic systems be set back currently and then What needs to change, how much further back do they need to set to be safe from sea level rise for a certain number of years? So we're looking at septic systems in that context.
Okay, and that's in one of the newer policies. And I can't find it right now but I thought that, and that was another question, was the setback? It seemed a little nebulous to me is that correct? There wasn't a specific delineation of how many feet it needs to be set back from the bluff if you're looking at the different scenarios. It was just going to, I think it said on a case by case basis.
Supervisor Wolf that is correct. Due to specific site constraints and topography and project specifics this does need to be addressed on a case-by-case basis and that's how we determine bluff top setback. The bluff top setback amount per specific parcel now So in the future, to incorporate increased setbacks due to sea level rise that would continue to be a site-specific analysis where a geologist or a geotech engineer would be contracted to look at that specific parcel and historic erosion rates and potential future erosion rates due to sea level rise to determine what that appropriate setback amount is.
So we're not, so then okay it just seems like we should be being a little bit more specific on that but. So I guess that's my comment. And also, it would seem that if what I hear you saying is that septic systems would be incorporated in that new rule, my comment on that would be why not include that specifically in our new coastal land use policies? Again, just a thought.
And then-
Supervisor Wolfe? The
other thing that-
I think Ms. Black had something she wanted to respond to your question with.
Okay. So Supervisor Wolf and members of the chair if you go to attachment three on page two You'll see at the bottom of the page policy 3-4 Both the existing policy text in our coastal land use plan and the policy text as we've revised it with Coastal Commission input to date. And I think when you look at that, you'll have a little bit of a better understanding as to how bluff setbacks are determined currently and probably ought to be determined in the future so they're not based upon a particular measurable setback, but instead are determined based upon a 75-year life of the project.
And what we've done in the past with bluff setbacks is we've required an engineering study to indicate what the bluff erosion rate is and then the setback is derived from that. I think we're basically proposing to keep that same method in place, but we're saying that when we consider the bluff setback, we want to specifically consider sea level rise And coastal resiliency issues as we determine that setback, but it would still be on a case-by-case basis to Provide for protection of the structure for at least 75 years and different parcels are situated differently They have different geology and soils and things like that. So that's why you use the years rather than feet if that makes sense
Yeah, thank you for that. It does but you bring up another question that I was going to ask because I think the 75 years is appropriate but throughout some of the changes there's also the statement that it could be within a 50 year time frame and so that seems confusing to me cause on one hand it says 75 years and then there's the addition, well maybe we'll look at the 50 year time frame. And that's pretty much throughout these changes when the year, 75 year is mentioned. So can you explain why we would have both? 75 with a possibility of looking at 50?
Madam chair and members of the board. Yes, I mean the existing policy again I'll go to 3-4 but you're right it's in other policies as well the existing policy provides for 50 year Setback based upon 50 years if the 75 year setback would take the property essentially if they couldn't build on the property and I You know, the property owner who is building would be doing that in full knowledge that we would expect that structure may not survive past 50 years.
So it's really to ensure that we're not causing somebody to lose property value prematurely. Does that make sense? But that is woven into existing policies as well.
Well, it kind of makes sense. But then there's the other, the new policy where we have to and I'm trying to find where that is where there has to be some disclosure. Can you help me find where that is? I think it's a new coastal land use policy That were requiring realtors make disclosures.
I'm looking for that. I didn't want you to think we were ignoring you.
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Or that I'm making it up. I could have sworn that's in here somewhere.
I believe, Supervisor Wolf through the Chair, I believe it's on page 8 policy... It's numbered policy 2 where it says prior to issuance of a coastal development permit for new development. Oh yes. So the intention there is that any future owner know the constraints of development on that particular parcel.
Okay, and so this kind of relates to my earlier question about the 50 years or the 75 years. So if we're asking that this disclosure be made, is it going to be based on 50 years, or 75, or both?
Madam Chair and Supervisor Wolf, it would be based upon whatever the applicable setback was for the property. So if they use the 75-year we would disclose that the 75 years setback was X and what the coastal vulnerabilities were. If it was based upon 50 we would explain why it was 50 and then what the vulnerabilities are.
Okay. That makes sense? All right.
It's really just about disclosure
Okay
thank you. Supervisor Williams?
So I wanted to ask about policy 3-7, I was just wondering if it was consistent with What I've heard from the board on our previous items when we've looked at this is wouldn't that say no new development instead of no development since repairs can sometimes be characterized as development?
Supervisor Williams, through the chair. That is definitely something that we will make sure is consistent when we look at that wording especially in context of what ended up finally being approved through the Eastern Gleada Valley Plan where this issue was a hot topic so we will make sure if new development is applicable we'll change the policy accordingly
Thank you, I just know it's a big issue in several of our districts of whether repairs are allowed. And it seems like sometimes the specter of repairs not being allowed is used against this policy direction and clarity I think would help prevent that such policy being characterized as preventing repairs.
Did you have more Supervisor Williams?
No, I just maybe wanted to hear from staff and say that policy 37 would not preclude repairs to existing structures.
Supervisor Williams, through the staff or through the chair. No we definitely would not want to preclude repairs in any of these policies. We would not want to preclude maintenance and repairs of existing developments so we will take a close look to make sure that this policy will not do that.
Thank you so much.
Madam Chair I do have another question Thank you. I'm looking at policy 9-37, and this is discussion of buffers that could be adjusted upward and downward on a case by case basis but in any case no lower than 25 feet for urban streams and 50 feet for all other habitats. I just wanted to make a comment on the consistency with community plans because the Goleta Community Plan would not be consistent with this sentence.
There wouldn't be anything lower than 25 feet. So I wanted to call that out and also reaffirm what Supervisor Williams said about the new development. So if you can just, when this goes back to the Planning Commission, if you can just make sure that policy 9-37 is consistent with the Goleta Community Plan.
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Thank you Supervisor Wolf. Through the Chair, we will take a closer look at policy 9-37 and consistency with community plans.
Is that all from Santa Barbara for now? Apparently it is. I had a couple of questions, the first maybe for Ms. Black. In Isla Vista where we have the 20-foot bluff collapse we're revamping our policy and I just wondered if this now supersedes or it's being incorporated into this? Or what the relationship between the two might be?
Madam chair members of the board. So the bluff Analysis that we're working on to address sort of the Episodic nature of a bluff retreat I think really is more specific to Isla Vista We have applied policy Now, I've lost it which policy it was nine dash 3- the bluff setback policy 3-4 In Isla Vista and the 50 year is most most notably The bluff setback that is typically used in Isla Vista because of the limited nature of development there. The other area is really in the The policy that we're talking about is really the inspection policy. It's not Policy with a big P. It's policy with a little p and how we will react and implement bluff setback and hazard issues in Isla Vista, so they're compatible They're not the same but they're compatible.
That's
thank you I wasn't sure about that The second question I had is is just about sediment management and beacon and It's my understanding that there was once a sediment management plan through Beacon. I don't know where that is, whether that could be updated as part of this process and so I just...I don't serve on Beacon but this is just hearsay so I wonder if anybody could address that for me?
Supervisor Hartman, there is a sediment management plan and it was revised somewhat in the not too distant past. I'm not exactly certain if they have plans to open it back up in the immediate future. I know it's on their website and I've seen it recently.
Given our keen interest in finding places for sediment, and that's likely to continue for the next three to five years at least. I just wonder how they fit with what you're talking about today?
Madam Chair, maybe just popping up and back isn't the right thing to do. Maybe I should just sit still. So I think there are two issues with sediment. One is what do you do with sediment when you have an issue like a debris flow in Montecito? And the other is, can sediment be used to forestall some of the coastal processes that we see? The erosion and things like that. And is there a relationship between the two? I believe that Beacon is currently seeking a grant to try and address those issues.
pretty substantial grant that they're looking at and it's a relatively long project to develop. I don't know if it's going to address the sediment from this particular situation we're in, but it would help us I think in the future and if sources of sediment occurred that were compatible with sediment disposal in ocean waters, When you're done Madam Chair.
I'm particularly interested in Heal the Ocean's comment on impacts to Highway 101 from sea level rise, given they just suggest that that be a very high priority. And we've certainly seen that with the closure of 101. And so I'm curious how we, obviously that's a Caltrans, we've got Union Pacific, how we can express urgency to these other agencies?
Supervisor Hartman, so in the context of this specific project we do have a proposed policy that would really promote and we already coordinate with Caltrans quite a bit but would promote or require the county to coordinate a lot more. Also, we have been coordinating with SB CAG because they just received grant funding to do adaptation planning vulnerability assessment and adaptation planning for Highway 101 within our county and other regional transportation corridors. So we plan to be a very integral part of that project and if future phases of Adaptation planning come out from the county, we will definitely make sure that transportation is a significant part of that as well as our future company or circulation element update.
Supervisor Wolfe?
Thank you I'm looking at the new policy number 13 And it really goes through everything we had talked about, which was the evaluation of a property whether or not it's 50 years or 75 years. But what is concerning to me About halfway down, it goes through this whole evaluation process. But then it ends with two words-
Which page are you on?
I'm on page 11, new policy number 13. It has two words if possible. Now everything that we talked about is that it will be required from experts to look at the impacts of property and the lifetime of a property. So those two words, if possible, I believe should be stricken from this, because it has to be possible. Otherwise everything we've just talked about may not happen.
So that would be my suggestion.
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Thank you Supervisor Wolf through the chair. We will take a very close look at that with regard to potential taking issues, but I hear your comment. Thank you very much.
Any other comments before we turn to public comment? Mr. Allen?
Chair Hartman, we have one request to speak.
Madam Chair, members of the board. Andy Caldwell representing COLAB. One of my favorite quotes is from Victor Davis Hanson. He said all societies in decline fixate on impossible post-modern dreams as a way of disguising their inability to address pre-modern problems. And I think that's what this is today. It just makes me shudder to think We are actually trying to prepare for weather slash climate events that are particularly 82 years away.
And the impetus for this, listen to this scenario. They call this a conservative worst case scenario was used for the vulnerability assessment mapping. The worst case scenarios considered to be high sea level rise in combination with the high tide in combination with 100 year storm event and wave run up. In other words, the perfect storm. Well if we use that same consideration you wouldn't let anybody rebuild in Painted Cave or in Montecito or in Goleta.
You wouldn't let them rebuild. So why is it that fire that happens in this county every three to five years? We're not preparing for worst case situations and scenarios there. But this hypothetical climate change, sea level rise 50 to 80 years away all of a sudden we're going to start changing land use policies or at least ordinances and things like that. And the Coastal Commission's mission statement should be never let a crises go to waste.
One of the things they're asking for is property owners near public lands should be prepared to remove their development. Prepared to remove their development if in fact, beach or high tideline moves and what the heck difference is there? If there is sea level change, what the heck difference is it if the stairways are public versus private? This is the camel getting its nose into the tent. There's no nexus to tie this to public versus private stairways, none whatsoever. They're just exploiting the potential crises that's 50 to 100 years away.
The bottom line here is we'll more than likely have at least one or two devastating earthquakes in that same time frame. If the past history is any record, we'll probably have several dozen fires. We know that for certain because of where we live and what we're doing. If you talk to scientists, which I do on the show quite often. They say right now the real data, not the computer models that you guys use for this, the real data shows global cooling.
A solar minimum based on what's going on in the sun, which is directly correlated to Earth temperatures proven no ands, ifs, buts about it. Thank you.
And that closes our public comment. And do any of the supervisors in Santa Barbara want to say anything more? I had, let's see a couple of things I wanted to pursue. This is obviously coastal so we're not looking so much at fire danger but obviously eventually the next step will be looking at the impacts of climate change inland and what we can do address fire and drought water emergencies etc so I realize we have to start somewhere but any thoughts about how this will progress.
Yes, Chair Hartman. Next month I'll be presenting the Long Range Planning Division Work Program for the next fiscal year and as you will see as part of that presentation one of the projects that we'll be recommending is an update to the county wide safety element. And that's driven by a government code requirement that came into play when your board adopted the multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan. For the county back in August 2017. And basically what the government code says is upon adoption of that plan, we need to go back and update the safety element to address just those things that you just mentioned climate adaptation and resiliency. Doing much of what we've already done with the coastal resiliency project but applying the same sorts of concepts to the inland areas.
So that will be a complimentary project to what we're doing with the coastal resiliency project to satisfy those government code requirements.
Thank you. Okay, may I have a motion?
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I'll move staff's recommendations.
I'll second.
And further discussion?
Supervisor Wolf did you have anything more you wanted to say? No
thank you.
Okay Mr. Allen.
Ms. Wolfe I. Mr Williams. This Hartman I. Will have supervisor Adam and Levin you know listed as absent.
And I I'm not sure I think item number five is going to take a while so we may want to go to lunch before that what's the sense of enclosed session
Chair, in talking with Supervisor Labanino it sounded like he would be back by 1 and my request would be that we delay closed session until he's back for that. I think we could probably
complete this item. Okay, move forward on 5. Alright. Would you read that into the record Mr. Allen?
Chair Hartman, members of the Board, Item 5 is from Community Services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an update on the Federal Homeless Continuum of Care program in Santa Barbara County.
And this is being presented from CSD in Santa Barbara, right? Oh,
you are
here.
Welcome Mr. Chapchin.
Thank you. Supervisor Hartman and board members. Today, I'd like to introduce Dinah Lockhart. Dinah's going to talk about the continuum of care program, the role of the COC and a gap in administrative functions for the COC and where we potentially as community services department can step in and help. In this process and potentially what could happen if we don't step in or at least an agency doesn't set a step into this process to help with the continuum of care.
Why don't you sit up here? I'll do this since you don't have Mike
Staff is requesting that the board consider the county take on additional responsibilities as George mentioned in the administration of the COC program. In other words, become the continuum of care lead agency. The county already carries out collaborative applicant duties on behalf of nine continuum of care funded agencies. The county administers the Homeless Management Information System, or HMIS. And the county directly administers seven Continuum of Care grants and sub-grants part of that funding to other nonprofits.
If the board approves taking on the responsibilities of the COC lead agency, staff will return during the April budget workshop to provide additional information on staffing needs to accomplish this. Or if the board decides not to accept the role of the COC lead agency that the board provide alternative direction to staff. So what is the HUD continuum of care and what is coordinated entry?
A recent League of California Cities Homeless Task Force report found that statewide homelessness increased 13.7 percent between 2016 and 2017. The county's 2017 homeless point in time count did not show this level of increase but has stayed relatively constant over the past couple of years around 1800 persons, both sheltered and unsheltered. The causes of homelessness are varied including lack of affordable housing, poverty, lack of health care, domestic violence, mental illness and addiction.
The state and federal response to this complex problem is to fund an evidence-based housing first model, which places the most vulnerable homeless populations as quickly as possible into permanent housing placement together with supportive services to enable the homeless household to remain in housing. The process of connecting, and that's the slide we have before us, the process of connecting the community's network of Homeless Services and Housing Resources, while at the same time standardizing and coordinating the homeless intake assessment and referral process is called coordinated entry.
The goal of the Coordinated Entry System process is to identify the most vulnerable and high-service utilizing homeless persons, and move them quickly to either community based permanent housing or preventing them from becoming homeless in the first place and diverting them to alternative housing options. Using a standard assessment tool such as the Vulnerability Index, for short, ensures that homeless persons and families receive a fair and uniform assessment and access to all available coordinated entry resources throughout the county wherever they might apply for housing or other assistance.
Participation in the Coordinated Entry System is a requirement for receiving federal continuum of care funding Annually, HUD awards over $1.7 million to homeless assistance projects in Santa Barbara County. Other federal and state agencies such as the Veterans Administration also awards funding to local service providers participating in the Local COC Coordinated Entry System.
All told, over $4.2 million in grant funding flows to Santa Barbara County agencies based on their participation in the COC and entering data into the Homeless Management Information System. The COC lead agency supports the operation of the COC board and convening of the COC general membership, which consists of social service and affordable housing providers.
Formerly homeless persons, healthcare institutions, religious organizations, educators, and public sector representatives among others. The COC members elects a board of directors. The COC lead agency is the link, and that's between the two boxes there. The COC lead agency is the link between the community providers which are on the left of this slide and the County of Santa Barbara which provides three distinct sets of responsibilities for the COC.
HUD places significant responsibility on the COC and requires that the continuum of care be responsible for a variety of high-level tasks such as conducting the annual point in time count, convening meetings of the COC board and its subcommittees which work on planning and program implementation. Keeping informed and knowledgeable about HUD policy program rules and ensuring that the COCs functioning at a level to continue receiving federal funding Carrying out research, evaluating each program component. Monitoring effectiveness, making recommendations to policy makers and best practices in homeless service delivery.
And while the COC selected and appointed the county to carry out roles of the collaborative applicant, the HMIS lead agency, and grant administrator. In reality, the COC is dependent on the county to support and operate and carry out these duties. Slide eight. This slide shows in greater detail the level of responsibility the county provides in the operation of the COC program.
County HCD homeless program staff oversee three main roles or functions for the Santa Barbara County COC. The collaborative applicant prepares the regional application every year, provides an evaluation of those COC funded program agencies and implement strategies to increase overall COC performance to improve the application score and hopefully increase funding.
The HMIS Lead Agency oversees day-to-day operation of the HMIS software, which is used by over 17 providers covering over 1,000 beds and is used by 62 agency staff members across the county. The grant administrator administers COC grant funding, prepares the annual performance reports, ensures that grants meet performance objectives and prepares invoices on eligible project expenses.
It is the fourth role of the COC Lead Agency that the Central Coast Collaborative, or C3H, performed for the COC. In 2012, the Board of Supervisors took action to approve the formation of what became C3-H to facilitate greater coordination among homeless service and shelter providers. While many successes were achieved, such as community outreach, engagement with policy makers, targeted homeless assistance and leadership on conducting the annual point in time count.
By 2017 C3H indicated it could no longer assist the community in carrying out continuum of care program mandates Last year, the COC Board formally requested that the county's Community Services Department HCD Division take on this role. Over the past year staff and consultants have provided interim support to the COC using salary savings from vacant positions in order to provide the administrative structure HUD requires of viable COCs.
This interim solution is not sustainable for the long run and does not provide the consistent support the COC requires to fully achieve its broad objectives. This slide shows just a few of the important roles the COC Lead Agency performs, such as convening the COC membership, providing staffing to subcommittees, working with providers on implementing the Homeless Prioritization System overseeing the homeless point in time count and providing technical assistance to providers.
In essence, the COC lead agency is the driver that ensures that individual agencies involved in the continuum of care network work together in a coordinated fashion. The COC lead agency also stays up to date on changes in regulations, provides training on best practices from other COCs operating in California and nationally. HUD's COC grant application awards points to these types of activities which potentially results in additional funding by 12.
Right now, the County HCD Homeless staff has two FTE equivalent positions which support all three COC roles. The Collaborative Applicant, HMIS Lead and Grant Administrator In addition to the COC program, HCD homeless program staff also administer the state and federal ESG general fund shelter grants and warming center program Given the level of support required by the COC Lead Agency, staff will return to the Board during the April budget workshops to provide some options on providing this assistance.
Staff believes that initial housing placement data is promising. Early analysis of HUD's system performance measurement data collected on agencies reporting into HMIS between 2014 and 2016 show that fully one-third of persons in the Continuum of Care's Emergency Shelter, Transitional Housing and Rapid Rehousing programs exited to permanent housing destinations meaning they are no longer homeless.
We believe we can increase this percentage so that more persons engaged in the Coordinated Entry System will eventually exit to permanent housing placement. Local COCs are continuing to modify staffing structures and use of consulting services to find the right level of staffing necessary to accomplish the objectives of the COC program efficiently and cost-effectively.
Ventura County, for example has used in-house staffing from their CEO and homeless. I'm sorry human services agency To operate their COC along with using consultants for special projects such as the point time count San Luis Obispo County uses planning staff and their Department of Social Services along with assistance from their county IT department 14 Staff believes that centralizing all four continuum of care programming functions under county oversight will strengthen coordination, planning and enhances efficiencies.
Another benefit is the ability to better coordinate with other county departments and programs currently working with segments of the homeless population 15. Many communities such as Solano County use consultants or contract help for special projects, such as preparing the continuum of care application. Limitations to this approach include consultants sometimes not as familiar with local providers and conditions and initial lower contract costs sometimes offset by additional travel expenses and needing to adjust contract scopes and amounts when additional special projects are requested.
In summary, the Board is being asked to receive and file this report on the COC program and consider the County taking on the additional responsibilities of COC Lead Agency in support of the regional Santa Maria-Santa Barbara Continuum of Care. If the board decides not to adopt this additional responsibility, staff requests that the board provide alternate direction. Again, staff will return to the board in April to provide some options on supporting the COC program and we are happy to address any questions you might have.
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Supervisor Wolfer-Williams. Yes, thank you Madam Chair. From our staff report it appears that we were paying into C3H I believe it was $90,000 and just for budgetary purposes as we move forward I'm anticipating that will stop is that correct?
Chair Williams, Supervisor Wolfe. At this point I'm not fully aware of what the plan is regarding funding for C3H. I will say that C3h has been essentially absorbed into the United Way of Northern Santa Barbara County and they've been repurposed so now We've built on that initial structure that C3H had set up for outreach. And that has now become our coordinated entry system, so it has been, we haven't done away with C3-H in that aspect, in the outreach area.
And if I may- So just- Through the chair, that's something- Can I just ask? I'm sorry, go ahead.
And you can answer this in your response. I thought we have two supervisors who sit on C3H, and then I'd like to know how that relates to the United Way? So please explain.
So, C3H had a policy council. The policy council included a number of elected representatives and two of the Board of Supervisors had been appointed to that policy council in the past it had been Supervisor Farr and now Supervisor Williams along with Supervisor Lavagnino. That policy council has now been Absorbed I guess or reorganized into the funders collaborative so the funders collaborative is essentially incorporating policymakers, but expanded to include representatives of the philanthropic community the banking community So the United Way is now providing oversight and support to that policy group, that funders collaborative. And I believe they have a meeting coming up later in March which will be their kickoff meeting.
And Mr. Williams can answer this. Are two supervisors still part of that? And then I know Mr. Chapchin was going to answer my question about the $90,000.
And I can answer the question about representation. So previously we had two representatives in this transition, they are scaling down to one and I agreed that that one should be Supervisor Lavagnino because of his continuity of participation in this effort.
Okay, so Mr. Chaption can you explain then what we're doing with the $90,000? Certainly
Supervisor Wolf through the chair that is something we're reviewing. We're looking back at the scope of services for C3H, what that money was intended for by the board. I know that they are being, that money is being used for the gap funding right now for United Way until they get, they receive money for their coordinated entry system but that's something we are reviewing and going back to the board
Supervisors, this is Mona and the CEO. I did look at that information. Mr. Chapjian wasn't here at that time but I know that back in 2014-15 the board provided the $90,000 and it was for C3H to take on a role as the collaborative applicant and also lead agency Since that time county staff took over the collaborative applicant role as well as HMIS and now before you is the issue of the lead agency.
My request, as Mr. Champion said, is should the board... if you want us to be the lead agency in this and I do support that because I think county staff has a better position to do it we make a formal request to recoup those funds I'm afraid as well that they have been using it for other purposes. That is not appropriate according to how the board directed us to spend the funds.
Thank you Ms. Miyasato, I remember the, I think it was Supervisor Farr who worked really hard on this C3H organization and the funding that we provided and I don't know if other municipalities and non-profits contributed but it was really to get this off the ground and to pay for staff members because we wanted it to be We wanted it to be successful, and we wanted this very strong collaboration of all the homeless entities to come together along with the different municipalities.
So now that that's not the case I would agree that the county taking on this role makes a lot of sense. And apparently, C3H has even requested that the county take on that role. So I'm definitely in favor of moving in this direction and I just think we need to do as what Ms. Miyasato talked about was the financial piece is going to be really important as we move forward and making sure that we have the staffing that we need to carry out this function.
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Do we have any public comment?
No request to speak.
Supervisor Wolf, would you like to make a motion?
Thank you Mr. Williams, do you have any questions? Anything? Okay I'm going to make a motion we have a revised board letter so I will make a motion that we accept staff's recommendation per the revised board letter.
Thank You and Supervisor Williams will you second? Second Any further discussion? CEO Miyasato. Chair
and board members, because the recommendations were one or two I believe, I think your boards motion is to A, receive and file the update and then B1 approve the county's assumption of lead agency with the discussion mentioned that we request C3H return the funds that the county appropriated for those administrative roles. And then the CEQA findings in C.
Okay, so we have our motion clarified and a second and would you call the roll Mr. Allen?
Can I just ask a question? Of course. Mr. Allen before we move forward Because we did, like I said, we had two different sets of board letters. The one that I have here doesn't talk about the return of funds although I think that would be a direction to staff. I don't see it as a recommendation spelled out in my board letter. I have A, B and C. To receive and file the COC program, and consider the following actions which would that we approve the assumption of the county being lead agency.
And decline assuming lead agency responsibilities for the local COC, and provide alternate direction to staff. So it'd be A, B1, and C. So Ms. Miyasato did you want to add something to that about the funding piece?
Supervisor Wolf to the chair, yes. I'm sorry, I mushed that all together but you're right it's as you read it with further direction to staff.
Okay so I will amend my motion and include the further direction to staff to reach out to the COC regarding appropriate refund of funds.
I'll continue to second that.
And now Mr. Allen
Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Mr. Williams? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye Passes 3-0
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Okay I think that concludes our departmental agenda and Mr. Gazzone would you like to tell us what we're going to do in closed session today and what time you think we should start and what time you would anticipate we finish
Chair and Supervisors, today in closed session the board is noticed to consider four items. Two cases of conference with legal counsel for anticipated litigation. One conference with real property negotiators for property located at Fort East Carrillo Street in Santa Barbara. And then one public employee appointment interim planning and development director. And concerning the public employee appointment, a change to the Brown Act that became effective in 2017 has me providing a verbal summary of the recommended salary and benefit package with that position. The recommended base salary is approximately $175,000 and the two-part benefit package is benefit allowance of $249 biweekly and a car allowance of $214 biweekly And I believe that Supervisor Lavinino planned to return at about 1 o'clock, so maybe a short break before beginning closed session.
Could we just start some of the litigation- Supervisor Lavinino
is back. Good. So we can begin our closed session right away if that's all right?
Great.
All right.
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.
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Hi. Okay. Starting this year. I still have eligibility.
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All right, we're going to reconvene this meeting of the Board of Supervisors. Mr. Gazzone can we report out from closed session?
Chair Lavagnino, today in closed session the board considered two matters of anticipated litigation with legal counsel. You considered two real property negotiations, the first at 4 East Carrillo Street in Santa Barbara and then in the vicinity of 1674 Oak Street in the city of Solvang and you have one public employee appointment concerning interim planning and development director. The only reportable action is concerning interim planning and development director Which was a unanimous vote of the four supervisors present, and I will now turn to CEO Miyasato for an announcement.
Thank you, Mr. Gazzone. I am pleased to announce the appointment of Diane Black as the county's Interim Planning and Development Director. Her tenure will begin as director on March 30th, 2018. Many of us know Ms. Black. She started with the county back in 1984 and she's been in every planning position it seems. She said she started as an intern in what was then the Resource Management Department she's been a planner one two and three a supervising planning planner deputy director of energy division and has been the assistant director since 2001 we appreciate miss blacks willingness to stay on during this transition and lend her expertise and stability to the county.
In this next year and I also want to thank dr. Russell, dr Glenn Russell has been our director And he is retiring at the end of this month and you'll be hearing more about that in our next board meeting So congratulations miss black and that concludes my report
Should we have anything Wait till next meeting okay, so we will adjourn to Tuesday March 20th, and that meeting will be in Santa Barbara at 9 a.m