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Mr. Lavinino, Ms. Wolfe, Ms Hartman, Mr. Williams.
Can I get approval of the minutes? All those in favor please say aye. Opposed? It's unanimous. We'll take some announcements before the administrative agenda.
Chair Williams, members of the board. Prior to moving on with the administrative agenda I have a request that we take a couple of actions today. First on item A2 there's a request that we trail that item to be considered later in the agenda. The department would like to approve A2 after the board considers A4 and if there is an affirmative action on D4. The County Executive Office, this is regarding the Thomas Fire donation from the Debris Flow Experts Consultants. And we'd like to withdraw that item today from the agenda so if that can be a part of your motion on the administrative agenda and finally on Item A9 from General Services. This is regarding the First Amendment to the agreement with Simpler Systems. If we could continue that through meeting on April 10th for one week, that would be great.
Those are my announcements.
Agenda Discussionitems moved / continued / pulled, click to expand
And we have one item to pull from the supervisors. Any other items to pull? A13, any requests to speak or request a poll from the public? No requests to speak for the public.
Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. I just have a quick comment on Item A3.
And we'll briefly pull that. So why don't we pull A3 and A13 in succession? And here, A3 is not being pulled for a separate vote. Is A13 being pulled for a separate vote? So we'll hear that and then take motions. Yeah let's do resolutions first. We have A28 to read.
Chair Williams and members of the board, we have three resolutions today and we're going to start with item A28 sponsored by our chair, Supervisor Williams. This is a resolution proclaiming April 27th 2018 as Arbor Day in Santa Barbara County. And Uti Loza was always here for Arbor day. And I think Brian Yanez is coming up? From Parks, thank you gentlemen. I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Santa Barbara County has a long and prosperous agricultural history growing annual and perennial plants for products as well as landscape benefits.
And whereas the residents of Santa Barbara County treasure the valuable landscape trees that provide both public and private lands and consider them to be essential living features that contribute to their quality of life experience. And whereas, the natural beauty of our urban forest and county landscapes as well as the enhanced beauty of the planted and developed landscape environments add to the many qualities that draw visitors and new residents to one of California's most beautiful counties. Whereas four of the largest incorporated cities in Santa Barbara County have for many years been proud and active participants in the Tree City USA program sponsored by the National Arbor Day Foundation.
And whereas, as governing stewards responsible for the planting and caring of all trees grown on county public lands. As well as promoting and encouraging conservation of valuable trees growing on private lands. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County together with the Public Works and Community Services Department proclaim Friday April 27th 2018 as Arbor Day throughout And encourage all citizens to recognize the multitude of benefits our community derives from the conscious act of planting and properly maintaining landscape trees. And request that all institutions of primary and secondary education throughout the county seek ways to observe this important day, and to teach students the value of trees in our lives as they're adopted today.
Members of the Board, just on behalf of Public Works I'd like to thank you for the continued and ongoing support of our urban forests in taking care What we do from Carpentry all the way up to Santa Maria. We've done a really good job both with internal staff and our contractors taking care of our trees. I also wanted you to know in a couple weeks, we have our Arbor Day planting in District 1 so I think we're still trying to work out the details as far as where but it'll be in a couple weeks. So again, I just want to thank you very much appreciate it
I'll be brief. Chair, Supervisors again thank you for your support we do have a lot of trees up and down our county and we're still dealing with drought stricken trees dead trees and our safety prunings but we thank you for your support and we continue to improve our tree system and take care of these trees in our parks. Thank you.
Supervisor Hartman just has a question.
Thank you, I read that in Montecito we have a lot of trees that are still surrounded in mud and wondered what the plan was for that given we're talking not only about trees in the public right-of-way but private landscape trees?
I know that we assisted Cal Fire in putting out some literature on a lot of the private trees that were impacted due to the mudslides. And some literature was given out to the community as to what to do with the trees that were primarily private and on private lands, to expose the rootstone so that the trees are not impacted and hopefully not die. I know they put out, like I said, a literature that went out and a lot of groups and dealing with the contractors, I know a lot To try to preserve as many as possible. So I know there's a really strong effort in doing that, as we speak.
Okay?
And I know that if there is any folks who do not have the means to be able to take care of their trees in that manner, that in the past couple months, the Montecito Bucket Brigade has been very interested Doing trees, and I've done a couple of trees. It gets harder and harder as the ground gets harder and harder. Correct. I can tell you from experience so time is definitely of the essence to help save those trees.
Thank you so much. Okay. A29?
All right, Chair Williams and members of the board. Item 829 also sponsored by Supervisor Williams. This is a resolution of accommodation honoring Scott Hosking of the General Services Department. He's our April 2018 employee of the month for Santa Barbara County. And Scott if you can come on up and Jeanette Pell. Thank you, I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Scott Hosking, the county's facilities manager working for the General Services Department is hereby recognized for providing outstanding and dedicated service to the County of Santa Barbara.
And whereas Scott enthusiastically leads the facility's maintenance team with professionalism and continually maintains a positive attitude even when faced with difficult circumstances. Over the past several years, Facilities maintenance has experienced budget challenges and staffing cuts. However, Scott has strategically managed the division in a manner that has ensured county buildings and infrastructure continue to be properly maintained. And whereas Scott and his team maintain 430 county owned buildings consisting of approximately 2.3 million square feet building space and respond to about 14,000 work requests annually.
And whereas Scott successfully utilizes his project management skills to prioritize and manage the county's annual deferred maintenance projects. Along with managing his staff, budget and division, Scott oversees a diverse array of projects that range from pre-paving parking lots, replacing HVAC units to historical preservation projects at the Santa Barbara County Courthouse.
And whereas Scott displays incredible dedication to the organization, he's usually the first person on the scene to respond to building maintenance related emergencies during the day or night, weekends and holidays. During the recent local emergencies, the Thomas Fire and flood event, Scott provided loyal service to the organization and community working long hours at the EOC leading the logistics team.
Throughout these emergencies, Scott made a tremendous personal sacrifice working at the EOC through the holiday season spending time away from his family. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Scott Hosking for his exceptional and continuous services and contributions, and he's our Employee of the Month.
Good morning, I'm Jeanette Pell. I have the honor of having Scott in my department. I've known him for two years and he's amazing. I've never seen an employee so well regarded throughout an entire county. He really did volunteer every time we had a disaster. He was the first one to say I'll go in, I'll get things set up, I'll get the right resources there and we just can't underestimate all of the things that Scott did. So on behalf of the General Services Department, we're very proud of him today and congratulations.
Good morning, Chair and Board of Supervisors. I take great pride in taking this nomination of Employee of the Month. It was actually when I actually read, sorry, when I read the resolution, it brought tears to my eyes because I realized how much time I spend at work dedicated to what I do but it's important to me that I know I'm doing what I'm best at My family understands that, and I spend a lot of time with them.
And just spent an entire day with eight kids at Magic Mountain yesterday. But I'm nobody without the team behind me. Every one of those people make me look good, and we're building our team the best that we can and doing our best. And I appreciate the honor that you've given me today. Thank you.
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And our last resolution, A30.
Chair Williams, members of the board, item A30 is sponsored by Supervisor Wolfe. This is a resolution proclaiming the month of April 2018 as DMV Donate Life Month in Santa Barbara County and Kathy Vasilopoulos and Scott Burns are here I think. You guys will come on up to the podium and I'll read the resolution. Lee Moldaver will be taking photographs.
No, he's only doing this as a personal friend. He doesn't do this for just anybody.
I'll read the resolution of the record. Whereas organ tissue, marrow and blood donation are life-giving acts recognized worldwide as expressions of compassion to those in need. And more than 114,000 individuals nationwide and more than 21,000 in California are currently on the National Organ Transplant Waiting List. And on average 20 people die each day while waiting Due to the shortage of donated organs. And whereas more than 600,000 units of blood per year are needed to meet just the needs in California and at any given time 6,000 patients are in need of voluntary marrow donors. Also the need for donated organs is especially urgent in the Hispanic and African American communities.
And whereas a single individual's donation of the heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, pancreas and small intestine can save up to eight lives. Donation of tissue can save and heal the lives of more than 75 others. And a single blood donation can help three people in need. And whereas millions of live each year are saved and healed by donors of organs, tissue, marrow and blood. And the spirit of giving and the decision to donate are not restricted by age or medical condition.
And whereas California residents can sign up with the Donate Life California donor registry when applying or renewing their driver's license or ID cards at the DMV. Over 14 million Californians have signed up with a state authorized Donate Life California donor registry to ensure that their wishes to be organ, eye and tissue donors are honored. Now therefore be hereby ordered and resolved that the recognition of the National Donate Life Month, the month of April 2018 is hereby proclaimed as DMV Donate Life California Month in the County of Santa Barbara. And in doing so we encourage all Californians to check yes when applying for or renewing their driver's license or ID card or by signing up at www.donatelifecalifornia.org.
Or www.dunvitacalifornia.org. Resolution is passed and adopted today by the board.
Thank you very much. My name is Kathy Vasilopoulos, and I'm the Vice President of Organ Operations for One Legacy. We're the organ procurement organization that serves the greater Los Angeles area including Santa Barbara County. We serve seven counties and over 20 million people. And our job, our mission is to save and heal through organ donation and transplantation. One of our missions obviously is to work closely with the hospitals here in Santa Barbara County and all of our counties. Santa Barbara Cottage, Marion all very supportive of the donation process.
But as was read in the proclamation more and more people die every day waiting for an organ transplant. It's actually 120,000 people in this country now that are awaiting a life saving organ. And about 20 people, as said earlier, die everyday. 18% of those on that waiting list are here in California. So the need for organs is great, we have donation occur every day but it's not enough. And so we encourage everyone to join the registry very easily by signing up to be an organ tissue and eye donor. We won't call you until your time has come. We don't want anything too soon. I promise you that.
But it's a very easy process through our DMV or going to donatelifecalifornia.org. So thank you again for sponsoring this and thank you, Supervisor Wolf, for bringing this to the attention of everyone in the community. And I'd like to introduce Scott Burns who's going to share a couple words.
Thank you. What can I say? I'm alive because someone who died donated their kidney. She had a pink dot on her driver's license and because of her, I'm around. That's, I guess, the best thing I can say. Boy, this has gotten me a little emotional. It's been three years since I've had the kidney. I was on the waiting list for three years before that and it is life saving. So everyone who has that opportunity please recognize that 20 people die every day waiting for a kidney or another organ and can't make it.
Boy, that was quick. Thank you. I'm sure there's more I will say but I can't remember right now. Usually I'm not this soft spoken so anyway. But thank you Lee.
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Let's hear A3.
Chair Williams, members of the board. Item A3 is for behavioral wellness and the recommendations that the board consider recommendations regarding behavioral wellness annual liabilities update.
Supervisor Wolfe had a question so we don't need a full presentation but Supervisor Wolfe?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to pull this item and acknowledge the work of behavioral wellness and county council and anyone else who was involved in the very positive report that we're seeing today being on the board when we were starting to see a lot of these audit exceptions come to us and it was a tremendous impact to our budget. To now see where we are in March of 2018 is very significant and very positive. So I just wanted to acknowledge the work of everyone who has really made this positive impact, not just to behavioral wellness but of course to the entire county budget so thank you. Thank you Dr. Glacorn and to your staff. And to our county council and CEO's office as well. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't know if Dr. Glacorn has any
comments. Thank you Supervisor Wolff through the chair. Thank you very much for pulling this item because it gives me the opportunity to highlight one thing on there on page four. One of the things that reduced our liabilities was that we employed a CPA and a former county audit supervisor to oversee our cost report audits and appeals. That's Christy Boyer, she has done an incredible job for us and this wouldn't have been possible without her work so I wanted to recognize her.
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Chair Williams, members of the board. Item A13 is from Public Works and to the board as the Board of Directors of the Water Agency is to consider recommendations regarding authorization to execute agreements pursuant to integrated regional water management funding through California's Prop 1 Disadvantaged Community Involvement Round for the Central Coast Funding Area
Thank you Mr. Chair I had a question about the grant to wastewater treatment system in Guadalupe for the improvements. Guadalupe is in the third district, I often have office hours there and one of the questions I hear most often is why are we continuing to smell odors from the wastewater treatment plant? We've called the Regional Water Control Board and they say, well it's been improved or fixed. But could you explain what's going to happen here now?
Chair Williams, Supervisor Hartman, Fray Crease with the Santa Barbara County Water Agency. So this funding is going towards the development and design of construction documents in order to implement the recommended improvements to the city's water, sewer and wastewater treatments plants. In 2014, the city completed a water master plan so these funds are going towards the plans in order to address those issues.
And any idea what the, so this will be for a study and then there'll be construction later on. Any sense of the timeline?
Chair Williams, Supervisor Hartman, I don't have a sense of the timeline. These plans are largely complete at this point. So the next step will be construction and probably the hurdle between now and then is of course supporting finding funding.
Any other questions? Any desire to vote on this separately? No? Supervisor Wolf.
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Thank you Mr. Chair, I didn't know if we had public comments on anything but I was going to make a motion for the consent calendar.
Great and we didn't have any public comment before any last minute.
I will make a motion that we approve the consent agenda, administrative agenda as submitted. However item A2 we will trail after item D4. We will remove item A7 and for item A9 we will continue that item until our April 10th meeting.
That is a perfect motion. Is there a second? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. That takes care of the administrative agenda. Any report from the CO?
No CO reports this morning.
Then we will go to libraries. Do you want public comment for items?
Chair Williams, members of the board. We have one request to speak under public comment. Mr. Kolaski?
I
wasn't planning on skipping over you, Mr. Kolasky.
Thank you. It's been four years now and I call my talk today Democracy or Dictatorship. Two weeks ago, I went down to the Board of Architectural Review and tried to get something done. It started off that I complained that the mic wasn't on. Three times I complained that the mic is not on. Finally Alex said well the mics on when clearly it's not on. I asked for three minutes which is normal time. They cut me off at two minutes so nothing's changed down there it's the same old place we've been trying to get this second story addition put on our house and the Board of Architectural Review ruled that it is solely over the garage and they wrote a 64 page report on it that being solely over the garage would be in violation of guideline 4.7 It's clearly not solely over the garage, it's over the kitchen, the dining room, part of the living room and laundry room.
But I guess instead of trying to present this like this, I should be asking do I have to make a donation? An extortion fee in order to get this changed? Is this going to be solely over the garage till I make a donation What does it retain? 5,000, 10,000 20,000. Is there somebody that's going to negotiate it because the five of you cannot explain this. The seven people downstairs plus the staff cannot explain this.
It is solely over the garage to them. I don't know where this has gone. This has been my life for the last four years. And it'll be probably my life for the next four years, maybe until I pass away. You know, I used to think it'd be great to die right here. It would be perfect dealing with this crap. Okay on the next page I outlined only 11 items because that's all I thought I could get on a page.
Actually I had about 17 or 18, but the most grievous is the first one. Being kicked out of a public meeting in 15 seconds. Not allowed to show your drawing. You pay for the meeting. You show up it's the fifth meeting you have a 5-2 vote and you're kicked out. You have a guy jump up and start screaming at you. Side loading side loading side loading! That means that it's located solely over the garage, according to their interpretation.
We were not allowed to show our project. We were kicked out in 15 minutes. We of course weren't allowed to speak. They had Dylan jumping up all the time. One time I was sitting in the audience and a guard came up to me. I was looking down. I didn't even know what was going on. He said you have to leave. Why? Someone doesn't want you here! It's not like you have a choice.
It's not like it's a democracy. There's 11 items. Does that represent a democracy? Any part of that?
Mr. Golaski, that's your time but I do want to ask a clarification question. Yes. We're aware of the decision by the ABR that it was solely over the garage. That was the previous application, not this current application correct? They
went back. And things that we had already negotiated, things that we had already done. They retracted including the streetscape which they, John Baratek designed. They voted 7 to 0 for it. They came back and said it's not good anymore.
But they haven't said that on your new application correct? Yes
they have. And setbacks. By doing the setbacks, they nullify the streetscape. The setbacks were approved by them. I had a speech here given by my architect where he presented the fact that it's not an ordinance, that it's just a guideline and they said okay you don't need setbacks Now we come in there, first thing they do, you need setbacks. And what's really nice, this is nice. They stereo, or they, what do you call it? Stereographed but presented their rebuke One person after another, after another, after another. And Alex lost track of who was giving their statement.
They forgot about Chris the new guy. Oh and Chris jumps up. Wait wait wait wait! Yeah everybody wait. How about the landscape now? We've discussed all this stuff so what I'm supposed to go through another four meetings wait till the fifth meeting and then get kicked out? It's just totally corrupt. There is no, it's just so totally corrupt.
Thank you. I think you answered my question. Thank you so much.
Sure. Did you have a question, Joe?
No. Any further public comment?
No more requests to speak. That's it. Chair Williams, members of the board. Item D1 is from community services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding library service delivery consultants update.
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Good morning Chair Williams and members of the board. On October 17, 2017 you asked staff to engage a consultant to look at our library service, our countywide library services and make some recommendations for either enhancements or potentially looking at a whole new library model. With that staff I'm going to first introduce Ryder Bailey our CFO and Natasha Garduno who really worked hard on this project as well.
Engage the services of management partners to look at our systems. And with me here today is Andy Belkamp, who's sitting back here. He's the Regional Vice President for Management Partners and Amy Paul who's the Corporate Vice President and I'm going to turn this over to them to make their presentation with their findings.
Good morning, Chair Williams and supervisors. Thanks for having us. As you know we have spent quite a while on this project. I'm going to tell you a little bit about the goals and methodology. And then we're going to try to keep this fairly brief, give you the context, and then answer your questions. And I know there are people here who want to speak to this issue.
Our goal, as you heard was to look at the service delivery system that the county provides for library services and to look at funding models as well. And you're well aware that Goleta was making their There are new library plans known during the time and we looked at that as well. Just to give you a little bit of history, we did interview over 79 people and several many times we heard a lot. There's a lot of emotion I would say and a lot of enthusiasm for your library system, as I know you're aware.
And we heard a lot from a lot of people. We reviewed relevant documents, especially to understand the funding operations and I do want to say that we had a lot of different documents that had small differences in terms of funding in particular. Library budgets, county budgets and so in our report we did note that we had a plethora of people asking us to make changes. We believe that what we have is accurate and the small changes that people had asked at the last minute we couldn't necessarily get in but we don't believe that it impacts. Any of the big picture items, however it is a very complex system because you have the three zones currently. Each zone has the control of the funding.
And you're doing it on a per capita basis, as you know. And so that whole system does have different nuances which we've pointed out. Just to continue with methodology, we did look at six different library systems in California to find best practices to identify what is applicable here, what lessons could be learned. Where differences are occurring and what might be relevant to the county of Santa Barbara.
We also looked at the principles that we heard from during interviews, and during the comments from others interested in the library system. And developed a set of principles to then guide the work where we looked at funding models and different opportunities. We then as you could see developed different funding models and we formulated some recommendations that we believe will help as you deliberate.
Just want to say in terms of context, as you can see from this slide. The county contributes $3.8 million which is quite a bit of money there when you look at other counties that is not always the case. In fact, the library services in most cases are a municipal service. And you're to be commended for what you've done because there are, you contribute a lot of money to this service. You can see the city of Santa Barbara is the next largest contributor and then other cities make up 3.3 million of the whole pie.
And just to understand that a little bit further, As I said, most counties do not contribute to that extent because they mostly rely on municipalities to do that job as far as library service. This system has worked for over 50 years. Your current funding model, the generosity of the county has accounted for that and although we were asked to look at changes that could work and we have, we still commend you for what you've done and what you continue to do.
I also want to point out that we don't believe there's any one right answer to the question about improvements to funding models. The formulas, as you can see, we developed several. Andy is going to talk a little bit more about that but they were all examples of how you could tweak your formula depending on what your goals are for funding and so We gave you our best recommendations, even in the face of making everybody angry we think. So we tried our best though to go, we were on a search for truth and we formulated our recommendations based on that because there's not one solution that's going to make everybody happy. So I'm going to turn this over to Andy and he's going to continue to talk a little bit about our work.
Thank you Amy, Chair Williams and members of the board. Thank you for the opportunity to present our report. I want to echo what Amy noted about the county's financial contribution, it is very substantial. The City of Santa Barbara and the County of Santa Barbara between them provide about 70% of the monies that constitute the library system here in the County of Santa Barbara. And so those two entities are really the major funders for the libraries.
We looked at several principles in terms of trying to organize our analysis, and we need to disclose these at the beginning because they sort of shape our findings. Not our findings but our recommendations. And the first principle is, the county is the municipal service provider for the population living in the unincorporated areas. And so that is our principle number one, is those are the folks that you have primary service responsibility for just as police services are a municipal function and library services are as well.
The second principle, we think your existing system does a really good job at. That communities of interest should share library facilities for reducing redundancies and delivering services efficiently. And that's one really good thing about Santa Barbara's system that the county is so diverse geographically and demographically. And you've evolved a system that is attuned to that.
The third principle is that we believe that equity requires considerations just beyond population when it comes to funding. This system now is based on population only, and even those population assumptions are a little bit confusing. The principle four is that we want to structure Where the county is a supplement to funding libraries, not the sole provider.
And that would incentivize participation from throughout the community, cities, friends groups, grants and you name it. And principle five of course I think is pretty self explanatory look for the highest and best use of the county funds. I just want to say on that point Santa Barbara County, unlike a number of counties in California does not have a dedicated property tax flowing for libraries. A number of counties do. They had library districts formed under the County Library Act of 1916 and when Prop 13 came along those libraries got a piece of the property tax.
Santa Barbara does not have that ability and Unlike a number of the other counties, but all counties have really struggled with this. And you look over the whole state and you probably won't find any single county that does it the same way. It's really interesting. We looked at this population data in county funding and what jumps out at you is something we've already said.
That the county is providing significant funding across the board and In many instances significant funding to city libraries, very significant funding. And we've broken it out by incorporated and unincorporated and by zone. I mentioned the population assumptions. Confusing because they don't seem to tie back to any particular rationale. The only rationale we can see is that the contract cities, the cities that operate the libraries under contract, Santa Barbara City, Lompoc and Santa Maria. Their population looks very similar to what their incorporated population is. The others vary quite a bit.
And there's not a particular rationale for that. You'll see Goleta's service population is about 90,000 but the city is about 30,000 and you see the same sort of issues with some of the other incorporated cities. Now the next slide talks about library budgets and as I mentioned, if you take just the first two columns and there you're looking at city funding and county funding, local agency funding. And it quickly becomes apparent that the 3.8 million coming into the system from the county, which is spread across all the different branches and the 4 million that the city of Santa Barbara is able to invest in libraries. That's the bulk over a little over 70% of the money that is funding the system.
But the county is the primary funding source for seven libraries and some of those are in incorporated cities. The cities, in some cases, are the primary funding source including all three of the contract cities. Okay next slide. So what we sort of find from all this analysis of the numbers is, again, the county and the city of Santa Barbara are the primary funders of the system. The county is a provider of substantial monies to many of the incorporated cities in the county, the libraries in the county.
Across the board, library funding is low here except I guess you could say except the city of Santa Barbara. If you look at the state average, the most recent data is from fiscal year 13-14. And if you look at the California Financial Almanac they have data points from over 200 California cities and it shows the average funding at that time was about $30 per capita.
Here if you just look at the city and county funding, it's down there around $17 per capita. About $21 if you throw in the rest of the funding. But anyway, you slice it, it is below average. I would say it's below average because number one, you don't have a dedicated property tax. And number two, you don't have any other revenue sources except for some contributions from friends groups and some grants. You don't have any other dedicated tax revenue sources other than the general fund of the county and the cities.
We did and we're giving a brief presentation here, but we did some extensive case studies of other county library systems. And one of the things we find from that is numerous other counties have evolved Library systems, in several instances they include a joint powers agreement. And we think that might be something for the county of Santa Barbara to look at because in those cases we find that those counties have been able to generate support for additional revenues by making the case for libraries.
Next slide.
Mr Chair?
Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I know you have mentioned it extensively in your report but not in your presentation and that has to do with your statement about funding sources that there's no property taxes and then on the other slide That there wasn't a reason, a rational reason why you would include other areas other than the cities. But I just wanted to remind you about the CSA3.
So maybe you want to just talk
about that? Well the CSA3 population, that would be a rationale for the population but not all those people live in CSA 3.
Right, and it also is another revenue
source. It is another revenue
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property type. Yeah, it is. That's critically important in Goleta. I was looking more at an overview.
Right, that's what I thought.
Because
you did like I said mentioned it in your report, I just wanted to bring it out here.
And that's actually a pretty good model that could be expanded, that CSA. It's helping. It's a good model. I think it came into being prior to the incorporation of the city of Goleta but that may be a good model to follow in looking at other revenue sources for other areas in the county. We did try to, we looked at registered users by library. These are people with library cards and it's good data but it's not regularly tracked.
It is available what we find from this, it's derived from looking at zip codes of registered users about one in four people Our registered library users, so that's a pretty good participation rate overall in the county. It shows that the county has got libraries that are busy. All the libraries have a mix of incorporated and unincorporated residents. And I think that's the strength of this system is that the county funding does get to the unincorporated residents.
And the service area population, some of the service area populations overlap. This is a particular issue with respect to Santa Barbara and Goleta. It's really hard to tease out who goes to what library in the unincorporated areas surrounding the city of Santa Barbara and Goleta, okay? Our recommendations. The first would be that the system needs to accommodate the Goleta Municipal Library, which is coming into being.
And we think that could be done to the existing contract-based system by creating a zone four and standardizing and updating contract provisions and funding. This is going to involve taking a look at those population data and trying to figure out, well what's the appropriate service area boundary taken into CSA 3 and other considerations. We would include the in zone 4, we would include Buellton and Solvang just because they're closer and perhaps Goleta could serve them in service to Isla Vista and Hope Ranch.
Recommendation 3 is to develop a funding formula which would bring into play some other factors. Other counties use other factors when it comes to deciding how to distribute funding, and you can get as creative as you want. We did six illustrative funding models, but you could do any number you want. The answer is pretty much infinity in terms of how you could look at that.
Each county tends to do it somewhat differently. Let me skip to recommendation five which is this joint powers authority. Consider forming a joint powers authority for library services. That would be the appropriate environment to really hammer out these questions because then you'd have all the stakeholders around one table. You wouldn't have to do it governing body by governing body, and I think the County of Santa Barbara and the City of Santa Barbara could provide the leadership in this discussion of creation of a JPA because that's where the majority, the bulk of the funding is coming from now.
And that would really be the place to hammer out this funding formula. We give you some illustrative examples, but really it's a homegrown type of thing. And it's hard to do also when this is a zero sum game. Right now if somebody gets more, somebody else gets less. It'd probably be a good discussion to have in the context Let's look at some additional revenue sources. There was no reason not to go there, other counties have done it and Santa Barbara is underfunded.
And then the fourth recommendation is in terms of the county we think our recommendation is take a more assertive role in determining what's the appropriate overhead allowance that is going to be associated with your funding contribution? Right now that varies and our recommendation is for the county to, it's your almost $4 million. You can take the lead in determining how to allocate the overhead.
Okay let's go to the next slide. Just going into more detail on the recommendations this is the map for zone four with the area shown. This is right out of Goleta's information. A little more detail on recommendation two, just showing you how that zip code data varies. So you can see the confusion at work here in terms of who uses the Santa Barbara library versus who uses the Goleta library in the zip code data.
You'll see in some of those zip codes a majority Of the registered users, remember that's all the data we have. Use Goleta and in some of these zip codes some of those users use the Santa Barbara library. So this is a matter of if you talk to the two cities this is a matter that they're going to need to hammer out because they disagree on what the appropriate populations are. This data might be a starting point for resolving that.
With respect to recommendation three, we spent a fair amount of time in the report just giving you illustrative formulas. So here's a whole bunch of them. The current funding allocation is in the first column. Then we did a model based on the number of users, the registered users data that I showed you and you can see that would change pretty substantially how the funds are allocated and that data would have to be updated.
Relative to the current would be projected funding based on regional population from SB CAG. Okay, so that would change things. Again it would change things pretty radically, so this is probably not something we could recommend. Model three would bring into play population and circulation with a formula. We basically got this idea from Orange County because they use a formula that includes population and circulation.
Again, this one makes some changes as well. Model four takes into account circulation, median household income, and circulation. Model five is to try to assume a base amount. Assume whether the libraries are small, medium or large put a base amount in there and then layer funding on that based on the formula. And then model six would be use that size category plus circulation and median household income and That's actually the formula that we thought might be best, if we had to choose one. Because we think it does blend in some factors that are important like median household income but it doesn't change things so radically as some of the other formulas. But the thing that would make any of these formula considerations discussion go smoother would Additional funding so you didn't have a win-lose situation.
Next slide just talks more about recommendation three and the fact that we thought model six might be the best way to go, and then the last page is recommendations four and five where We think that the county can and should take a more proactive role in Figuring out what's the best way to allocate overhead costs. Overhead costs are real, and they need to be paid.
But the county could be more assertive. You are putting $4 million towards the system, that $4 million is absolutely critical to all of the cities with the possible exception of Santa Barbara City. That funding makes up between 30 and 88% of the funding to the city libraries except for Santa Barbara where it's only about 15%. So your contribution is extremely important to city libraries throughout And fifth, the county can take a leadership role in convening a discussion of a joint powers authority. We have found that the joint powers authority approach has led to better library services in a number of counties including San Mateo, Santa Clara, San Joaquin-Stockton, And San Mateo.
That approach has been shown to, because I think the beauty of that approach is each stakeholder, each local government would appoint somebody to sit at that table as part of the JPA and there's often a management committee composed That's where you can hammer out some of these issues. Right now it is very awkward because you have all these elected boards trying to determine things sort of on a serial basis.
So that is our report and we would be happy to answer questions. As Amy said there is something in this report that will make everybody mad, no question about There will be a lot of objections to individual funding formulas based on who wins and who loses. But sometimes you just need to take a step back and look at the system, and say well if we could redesign this what would it look like? And that's what we've tried to do.
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Questions from the Board of Supervisors? Supervisor Hartman.
Thank you very much. I thought the report was extremely valuable to me and I really appreciated the other models that you, and how varied it is across the state. One of the things that jumped out to me, I'd always heard 760 were way low per cap but what you elucidated in this report is that in fact Santa Barbara County itself is quite generous And that is new information to me, and I'm really gratified to hear that.
So it seems to me that what's sort of between the lines in your report is with that contribution we could be more assertive vis-a-vis the cities. And one idea would be that there would be a one-to-one, If the county's giving a per cap of a certain amount, then the cities would have to match that $3.some million over time. The other way of thinking about that would be looking at the population of the unincorporated area which is about one-third and then eventually the cities oughta get to two thirds to be on the same level of per cap. So I just wanted to throw that thought out there your report doesn't really It doesn't really focus on how the county could be more assertive in asking for a match from the cities, but that's kind of where I'm thinking we ought to be going.
So thank you.
Supervisor Labadino. Thank you Mr. Chair I was just curious about we're looking at the administrative fees and percentages are those all calculated the same by each of the libraries or do they all have a different formula that they're working off? So when we look at a percentage, is it apples to apples or is maybe somebody calculating it differently?
You have three zones currently and each of the zones calculates their own. And in effect even though it's a system because you as the county provide money Each of the zones is their own system in effect. So there's not just the administrative fees and overhead, which may be two separate issues, but there's also vast differences in staffing and really the rules of how each of the libraries are run in each of those zones.
Currently, the county basically you give the money to the zone administrators and then that's I mean you do have an agreement. I don't want to say it's just handing off money but each of the zones is run on the best way that the zone administrator, the library director of that zone sees fit so that you're right everybody has a different administrative fee and how they are run is quite different.
Just to echo that point, could we go back to one of these slides? None of the contract cities are really doing anything wrong. They're just doing things differently and sometimes when you're talking about changing a system, you have to put yourself in the perspective And the cities are in vastly different places when it comes to libraries and funding. Look at Santa Barbara, they're able to put $4 million into a library. They have beautiful library. The county money is important in Santa Barbara.
It's about 15%. But then you look at Lompoc and Santa Maria, you immediately can see those are two other contract cities. That's a much more substantial part of the funding pie for those cities. So any of those cities it would be logical they would have different perspectives on this issue and they do. But it just brings in, you can see where the different cities would come from a different place. Because the amount of money from the county has a differential impact on their operations depending on where they sit and the same is going to be true when Goleta has its branch open. They're going to have a perspective that is unique and different too.
Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Along those same lines I know one of the issues had to do with at least zone 1 when they would calculate their administrative costs or fees. They took in the friends funding as basically part of their total income or budget so that was zone 1. Do you know what the policy is in zone 2 and 3? Or maybe our staff knows that.
Yeah, we are aware of that issue because it was brought up during our interviews but we did not hear that same issue from the other zones so I can't answer that. I don't know perhaps Ryder? No? George? We don't
know.
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You know, again it's pretty complicated. I know that when a friend raises money, let's say over $100,000 and they increase the programming, that increases costs for the cities as well. For example Santa Barbara, if they have to ramp up library services, that increases their administrative cost. to oversee a much larger program than they originally would. So I didn't see it in Zone 2 and 3, but the contributions aren't as heavily up in Zone 2 and 3 as they are from the friends in South County.
My recollection is at least Zone 3, which was looked at by the LAC extensively as a sort of hopeful model does not calculate it. Our rosy belief in how well zone three works had a little bit of holes poked into it when the library director said, well we probably aren't charging an administrative fee as much as we should and I'm just. Doing that because the county is funding a largely city library, which is not typical. And she felt that was a good win-win quid pro quo but it obviously poked holes in our desire to extend that to the whole county.
Thank you.
Was that the first salvo?
It's much quieter than people were expecting, I suppose. Yeah. I think there are so many issues to look at. Why don't we go to public comment?
Chair Williams and members of the board, we have four requests to speak. We're going to start with Michael Bennett and then hear from Shirley Stacey then we're going to go to Santa Maria.
Good morning Mr. Chairman, members of the board. I'm speaking on behalf of the Subcommittee Ad Hoc Committee for the City of Goleta on the Library Services and I want to thank you for the report as you'll notice in the letter that we delivered We indicate that we support the recommendations for the most part, that management partners have put forth. We do have some further questions and we would have to go through and analyze a few more things depending upon what decisions you may or may not make today because our entire council has not weighed in on what the actual prospective library service might look like.
I would like to point out a couple of things, and Supervisor Wolf kind of took my point that I was going to make with County Service Area 3 in the city of Goleta. We do tax ourselves. It is specific for libraries and it's limited to library service only. It can't be used for any other purpose. And it's been one of the processes over the years That's in my opinion been disregarded by so many people and so many options and so many opportunities. It's never calculated, it's never the credit of thus self taxing ourselves for the services of library just doesn't get the respect.
And the understanding that's different than any place else in the county, there is no other additional funding sources provided from a tax standpoint. So I just want to emphasize that when you're deliberating and you're looking at these things those funds cannot be disregarded they are an important ingredient, an important component when you add up all of the costs.
As previously stated you take money, give money to somebody. Take it away from somebody else so there's going to be winners and losers in this particular proposition even with that consideration as you'll know as you read through our letter we in general are in support of the recommendations that have been made and we think it's appropriate that the joint powers authority should be looked at in the future and the issue of Bulton and Solvang we'd love to have them We're very much aware that they have been looking at some changes, but we feel that with the formation of Zone 4 that we need to get ourselves up and running.
And we would be happy to have that consideration with further discussions with those two cities to bring them into our particular zone of benefit. From a historical standpoint I'd like to just point out Three library directors of the three service zones that exist today in Santa Barbara, Lompoc and Santa Maria. In the 50s they're the ones that established the zones. That's how they were established.
And remember also that the state of California used to fund libraries and that funding was cut many years ago which had a tremendous impact overall And may in fact had impacts in regards to your per capita funding. So, there's been a long time, long process. In that time, you know, Galeta's population skyrocketed. The ending court population elsewhere in the county skyrocketed so things have changed and it is time I believe for a change. So thank you for the opportunity to speak this morning.
Supervisor
Hartman has a question for you.
Thank you Mr. Chair, Council Member Bennett I think the report raised some questions about the staffing level proposed at the Goleta Library and that's of great concern because Isla Vista of course would be served as well on page 40. Is that something you're going to look at further?
It's certainly something we're going to look at. We even went to Lompoc to look at their library mobile, which I think is pretty exciting to be quite honest. There used to be a portable library down here in the South County as well and that was taken out of service a number of years ago so that's a possibility. Isla Vista also proposed to us when our staff met with them, they may be setting up a branch library that the students would have some control over in downtown Ivey and I think that's something that can clearly be explored and we would consider. And when it comes to representation, we're certainly open in regards to the Board of Trustees that would be in zone four so that's not a closed question by any means.
So hopefully I've answered your question.
For now, thank you. Okay.
I have a question, Supervisor Lavagnino does too but so I appreciate you saying that last portion because one of the recommendations that I was most interested in has to do with the representation on the Goleta or the Zone 4 board. My concern was that if the city of Goleta has three votes and the unincorporated area has two votes, then you have representatives on a body where One out of every 9,000 people in the city of Goleta has a vote.
And one out of every 30,000 in the unincorporated has a vote. Meaning essentially that people in the unincorporated area would have one-third of a voice per person to people living in the city of Goleta. That is a real concern for me and it was for And that's why we made the recommendation of proportional representation, meaning whatever the service area is, whatever the population of that service area. Representation should be proportional to one person, one vote which I think is a pretty important principle in American democracy. So essentially is the city open to that recommendation because that's a big part of this?
The subcommittee has discussed this and the subcommittee is certainly open to that. We've had no, I mean the city up front said two representatives recommended by you folks and we've agreed we will appoint them. That's what the understanding is right now. And if that were expanded to three our council would have to weigh in on it because they're the ones who set policy as a whole so but for the two of us that sit on the ad hoc committee we're certainly open to that and we would recommend that that be considered Supervisor Hartman.
And I just want to emphasize, thank you Mr. Chair one would be from Isla Vista.
Well that's I think that's important but I think it's important to note that the difficulty and what I think that recommendation is if the service area of Goleta were to remain as high as it is right now that would mean 6 votes for the unincorporated and 3 votes because there's twice as many people in the unincorporated area in your proposed service area than there is in the city.
That would be proportional representation, not three and three. So I appreciate you being open to it and obviously the conversation can continue and I hope it will continue from today but I've viewed that as a hard sticking point from my perspective but also being empathic And trying to look at your guys' perspective, realizing that that would be a hard issue as well.
I would add that my other hard issue which was how much money the city was contributing. You guys made great progress in the last year and I think City of Goleta deserves kudos and thanks for increasing the city's share of the library funding so thank you.
Okay, I'd like to come back to the representation. As many people have said and I'll repeat it, the whole library system idea and how our libraries are operated in the state of California as I've learned so well are incredibly complicated. The education code tells you what you can and can't do with libraries. And as your council will probably tell you if they haven't already, you can only have five.
Five is the number that can be appointed for a board of trustees for the library. And that's the reason why the number five came up and it doesn't allow you to appoint any more. At least, that's what I've been told. You can only have five representatives so when I'm speaking to the fact that the ad hoc committee has said we're open and if the county desires to have three people to be we would go ahead and recommend a council that they we would agree with three people. It would still be five But we would agree with the county being able to appoint three.
So that's where we're coming from, just so you understand and what we understand the constraints are in regards to the Board of Trustees. Thank you. Supervisor Labanino?
Thank you Mr. Chair. I want to learn more about CSA 3. How long ago did that take place? 1990?
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I think it was Measure L that was voted on in 1990. There's probably people in the audience that-
Remember it?
Yes, but the boundaries were already developed CSA 3. So that was in 1990 and then when the city of Goleta became a city, CSA3 didn't disappear. So the people in the unincorporated area who were paying the library tax are still paying it for the Goleta Library.
Is that what it generates? Is that the 15% to 247 there, or is that- What does it generate a year? I think
you broke it down. I think the 246 part of it and you'll explain it but I think it's part of what the city pays and part of what the unincorporated pays.
It's page 42 table 19 gives you the breakdown Thank you, Mr Mayor. I'm going to turn it over to the Goleta library and it shows you the funding from city limits. The funding from the unincorporated area. I don't have it on the slide report. Yeah but let me give you the numbers measure our information is that measure L generates from within city limits about 266,000 per year. Measure L
I apologize and I was wrong. So where is that $179,000?
Our information is on page 42 table 19.
No I see that
but
where is it in there though?
We call it the city fund. City funding. In the chart it's included in the city
funding. Okay wait a second so $266,000 of that city funding is CSA 3 under Goleta? Yes. And then the $179,000 is also in with the other of the $246,000? Right. So even if you took that $246,000 and put it in with the city
There's a footnote in the full report that breaks this down. But that funding comes from a variety of sources and CSA 3 is one of them. Okay,
perfect thank you. Excuse me Mr. Chair I'd like to respond to Supervisor Lavagnino if I may because I think... If Supervisor Lavagnino is willing to phrase it as a question could you expound on that? Thank you so very much I appreciate that. I don't have the exact figures in front of me because I don't have the tables that are being spoken up, which is not shown on the slide.
But for clarification purposes when the city incorporated CSA 3 was included within the boundaries and the amount of money that's generated within CSA 3 within the boundaries of the City of Goleta is more than the unincorporated area. And it's 179 I think you said in the county and I think you said the city was like 246 or 266
276?
266 I
don't
want to get it wrong so I'm just saying there's you know there's more money that comes out of the city in that regard and we've always considered that to be a city contribution because our taxpayers whether they're paying it in property tax, sales tax, TOT or in this case a special tax We consider that to be a part of our contribution just as you folks contribute through CSA 3 an additional amount of money and no other unincorporated citizens pay for towards the library.
Okay, so question about you considering it part of your contribution? So I would imagine, I wasn't around in 1990 or was interested at the time. But I would imagine it was sold as above and beyond if you want better library services let's tax ourselves. And then I would imagine like we did that in the city of Santa Maria. I wouldn't think that I would want the city then to back out that portion of what, that above and beyond me taxing myself. You see
where I'm going? Well yeah we're not backing it out. We're saying we, we, we're not backing it out. I'm not asking anyone, I'm saying recognize it. It's there. Right. I
recognize it's there but if you take out the 266 out of your contribution, you're putting in 34% right now and if you took out half of Your city's contribution pales compared to everybody else's.
No, I think you're misunderstanding. I'm including it as adding two not taking out. I
understand that so you're saying right now that there's $552,000 the City of Goleta puts in and from what I'm understanding is $266,000 of that is CSA 3 money okay We just disagree. Okay, so what I'm saying is I think the people when they voted to tax themselves thought the city would stay if there was well you came in after CSA 3 though okay
gotcha and it we really back in that day in 1990 the library was faced with some very severe cuts and it was through the community effort that people went out and encouraged people to support Measure L which they did I might add as I recall It was 80% or 80% plus of the electorate that actually voted for that self-taxing measure. And, that was to keep the level of library services from diminishing and that's where the tax came from. Last question on that
is so CSA 3 what's the life of it? Supervisor Wolf.
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Thank you, I was just going to basically say the same thing. I think the city of Goleta has stepped up and put a significant amount from their general fund into the library. So you know I just agree, you know the acknowledgement of that and I also want to thank you Mr. Bennett and Miss Perotti for the letter that we received from the subcommittee it was very positive I thought and very inclusive and addressed Without finality, some of the issues raised about Isla Vista and the fact that your staff has gone out and met with representatives from CSD. And I think Ethan is here that we'll maybe talk about more but So I just want to say thank you for the approach that the city is taking.
And as far as Bealton and Solvang, I also appreciate the fact that your willingness to incorporate those two cities. We did get a letter from the City of Bealton also expressing interest And I don't know, it's kind of my thought about this is if there is a way to move forward. And then possibly next year incorporate the two cities after there's more discussion.
But then that also goes into the representation of the five members because that would obviously have to change as well. I can't believe that, well, I can believe that there is a limitation of five. But I guess that's another conversation that would happen with the addition of Buolton and Solvang. But certainly maybe at this point moving forward if we do as a board move in that direction.
That whole issue of representation can also be held in abeyance. I think the notion of three to two is a good one that you will be taking back to your council. So, I look forward to the continued collaboration and then I do have some other comments. Thank you Mr. Bennett for being here.
I thought you did, okay. Supervisor Hartman asked that question. Sorry about that. That yes we fully expect there will be some additional staff. There will be some potential reorganizing of the staff that's there and how we allocate it because there is a lot of part time staff as opposed to full time professional staff. So those are all things were going to have an opportunity to evaluate with our new librarian In order to come forward with the best service model and the best service system. So we would expect to deal with that over the next year once we get in operation and we learn how we're going forward, and the needs that we become aware of, and how we might better serve those needs.
And so that's the issue I would fully expect us to sit down and negotiate with Solvang and Buelton. We've already thought about the representation issue, we've already had that brought up in our ad hoc committee meetings. So it's something that we're thinking about as well. So I don't think, and I think we've shown really well, we're not locked in concrete. We're trying to be as open and accommodating as we can be and explore what the alternatives could be at the end of the day way above all of us is the service to the people that want it. And that's really the bottom line and we hear kudos all the time about how well the services received in Goleta, and from so many patrons that come from many different places. So that's our charge. We wanna maintain and improve what that level of service is.
So thank you for the opportunity to speak. Just one second. Supervisor Adam did you have
a question? Yeah just one more question. I hear a lot about you want credit for what you spend, but you spend more than other libraries in the county and don't you get better service for it?
Don't your constituents get better service? Well that's one of the arguments depending on which side you want to be on. Whether we do or whether we don't and that's what Supervisor Lavanino and I were just having that discussion so I'm hoping when we get Down to everything being finalized, we can easily show that our contribution is a good contribution. We expect to increase that contribution anytime you increase staff levels it's going to be more costly and that discussion has already taken place so the taxpayer- Well
yeah but let me interrupt and This is hard because for me, all of the options that are laid out before us here screw either Orchid or Lompoc or both. And so you guys have made decisions at your city level to provide your constituents with greater service by charging yourself or allocating general fund money. And those are legitimate political decisions, and you guys have made those, and that's great. I don't want to take your county contribution away But if you think that you're going to get more out of the county because you guys like the library better than people in Orchard or Lompoc, I would
take issue with that. And I would hope he would because those are the people you represent just like us. We haven't asked for anything that would create winners and losers. We haven't asked for any more than those that are in our current Proposed zone four. which are currently served through zone one. And all we're asking for is that that zone one be bifurcated on a logical geographical line because people typically are closer to a library, that's where they go and that's all we have proposed.
We haven't asked for anything different than that and we're not into anybody being a loser. That's, we aren't proposing that and it's never been a part of our thought process as we've gone forward. We just wanted to divide the library so that we could Manage it, we think we can do better. We're closer to the participants. It's back to local government. The closer you are the better you can do.
Amen brother.
Thank you
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Oh, sorry. I always call you Mayor Bennett because you even got elected mayor before the incorporation. One other issue... You partially addressed the Buellton solving issue but to me that's still kind of a big deal because the City of Santa Barbara as the administrator has said it will increase their costs if you withdraw And Buellton and Solvang are sort of left orphaned.
And we appreciate that you're willing to look at absorbing them later, but I guess the issue is if we give you the money now and you say, but we'll consider taking Buellton and Solvang later then basically we're trading away all our leverage in the negotiation right? And it affects us fiscally, or it affects the service levels that Built and Solvang will be able to have.
And so is it just not in the cards at all to negotiate Built and Solvang right now? Because that would definitely affect for my part how much funding I'd be willing to support you guys
I don't want to leave here and give anyone a misimpression. We haven't discussed the timetable, whether we would sit down with them tomorrow or the next day. There have been conversations between the administration of the cities in our city So it's not something that hasn't been discussed or talked about. And in the ad hoc committee, we've been talking about an effective date of July 1st 2019. So that would be our anticipated date of bringing them in assuming they still want to come and I don't really see that there's any issues there. I haven't had any issues presented to me to think that wouldn't happen.
But we still need the time to, you know, evaluate that as they do too. They need time to be able to make sure this is the marriage they want to go forward with and it will give us the necessary information points so both Bulton, Solvang and the City of Goleta, the policy makers can weigh in and say yeah this is the best for our community. We really want to go forward with as we know we started working on Zone 4 you know years and years ago and you have to get approval through although if the zones already been created my understanding it's much easier than creating a new zone so that working with black gold still have to make changes in how the books are accounted for There's administrative things that have to be done so it isn't just a slam dunk overnight.
It still takes an effort to get from point A to point B, but I would expect there would be no issue at all We've already said we're open to the idea they've said they have an interest So there's nobody here saying no. I haven't heard the word no from anyone Supervisor Hartman
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Bealton and Solvang are of key importance to me and my constituents, and I'm glad that you're willing to take them on. I also think that it's important not to bite off more than you can chew at once. And one idea that was proposed was perhaps for a temporary period, 1-3 years, Bealton and Solvang might go under the umbrella of Santa Maria Library which is extremely well managed so I'd like public comment on that as we go forward.
I have no opinion on that.
Can I just say that I think Mr. Bennett set the record for longest public comment
ever? Maybe. Supervisor Wolf it's going to be a little bit longer.
Yeah, just a little longer.
We're giving him a lot of air time here.
And maybe this is for the consultant but it is a map provided by the City of Goleta so It looks like Mission Canyon is not included in the Goleta map any longer.
You might want to say that again about the Goleta map, just...
I'm looking at the Goleta Map that's provided by the City of Goleta and it appears that Mission Canyon is not included.
Solvang and Buellton is not included because we didn't want to be presumptuous.
No, no I'm talking about Mission Canyon.
We specifically that's an area that was in the Zone 1 and we specifically took out all the city population City of Santa Barbara and the unincorporated population that exists to the east of County Service Area 3. So we would presume that to remain in Zone 1 with the City of Santa Barbara, again using our geographical philosophy and that's how we went forward to establish Zone 4 was to make that zone a geographical zone based on what the input we were receiving as to who uses the library services And it didn't make sense, certainly for mine. I was one of the folks really kind of hammering on this.
When I found out, I had no clue to start with but once I became aware that Mission Canyon was a part of that, I said it makes no sense. It just doesn't need to be there so we excluded that.
And thank you for that, because I do think that's an important point in looking at the mapping. Because I think there was some concern that perhaps Goleta was going too far into Santa Barbara but it's perhaps more constrained. So thank you for clarifying the map that we have before us.
Thank you. Okay, thank you. All right, I'll step down now.
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Our next speaker is Shirley Stacey, and then we're going to go to Santa Maria for Mary Housel.
Good morning Mr. Chair and members of the board. I'm Shirley Stacy, I'm the city of Solvang representative to the LAC. The City of Solvang formed an ad hoc committee to study library financing because of their concern with the way it was being handled. The county said he was requested for pretty much the same reason, I think. The concerns have now been addressed but the figures did have to be revised after the last CLAC meeting.
So although there was a vote to recommend option four and model six, the vote is now has to be redone In looking over the revised figures, it does seem that option four is still the best option. But Goleta I would agree needs time to organize the administration of their city library before they can consider taking on the administration of other branch libraries.
The county should not merely however turn over the administration of funds to the lead cities in the three zones as in the past. As far as the various funding models are concerned, none seem ideal and there are infinite number of possibilities as our consultants have pointed out. It is a positive step to base funding on things other than just population but it does need further study Lastly, the joint powers agreement is I think definitely worth looking into. A special CLAC meeting is scheduled for April 25th to look at the changes made to the study since the March meeting.
At that time another vote on what to recommend to the Board of Supervisors could be taken. Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak.
We're going to go to Santa Maria for Mary Housel to be followed by Laura Selkin.
Good afternoon, Chair Williams and Board of Supervisors. I wanted to take a little bit of time today to point out a few things about the study that Management Partners has provided to us. Number one, the California State Library provides an annual population breakout of all of our library jurisdictions in the state and uses those breakouts in their statistical reports.
For years, the state allocation has been used in our county agreement to determine funding to each zone. And I recommend that we maintain that status quo model of funding by population to each zone. When the LAC recommended Model 6 it was prior to the data correction that was made so the committee hasn't yet had a time to reconsider that model I wanted to point out that even though that model considers median household income, Guadalupe which has the lowest median income of all the 13 jurisdictions listed stands to lose $8,714 according to Model 6.
And so also ORCIT stands to lose $37,000 which is a significant amount for a busy library where we have to pay for rented space. The rented space totals a little more than $55,000 a year. So if you adopt Model 6, you're taking away all of the rent money and more. We just wouldn't have the money to cover and the hours would be reduced When you look at Model 6 and do totals for the three zones, you'll see that Zone 1's funding would increase $25,000 overall. Zone 2's would decrease a little under $10,000. And Zone 3 would decrease $15,000 So to me it would be better to keep the funding to each zone as it is currently and let the librarians Look at those factors of addressing median household income or addressing the other factors that we think would make service more equitable.
Lastly, I just wanted to point out that considering circulation in any model is flawed. There are many, many people who use our libraries that don't check out materials. In Santa Maria we had over 355,000 people visit our locations In the 15-16 fiscal year, they come to get literacy help, homework help, to look at magazines and newspapers, to attend meetings and mostly to use our computers and Wi-Fi. So just using any model that considers circulation is not addressing the many people that do use our libraries.
So I just thank you for the opportunity to address the board, and I'm happy to answer any questions about Zone 3 that you might have. Thank you.
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Laura Silken in Santa Maria, then we're going to come back to Santa Barbara for Ethan Bertram and the balance of speakers.
Good morning. I am the 5th district representative of the county on the County Library Advisory Committee and although I was originally in favor of pretty much all the recommendations of the consultants, I had to rethink my decision especially in regards to the funding formula of recommendation 3. While I greatly appreciate the time and effort that consultants have given to their task, I have some serious concerns.
Unfortunately we report that the consultants presented for discussion at the last LAC meeting held March 21st had more errors than we were originally aware of And although the report that the Board of Supervisors received is a revised version from what we voted on, it still contains several errors in data and statistics that prevent me from agreeing to the original recommendation particularly for Recommendation 3 on the funding formula.
And as Mary stated in Zone 3, which is represented by 5th District as well as other parts of the district's 4th District as well. And third, there is a large reduction in funding as compared to leaving things as-is or the status quo. That's something I cannot support at this time. As you well know, reduction in funding to any location whether it is a main library or branch library will mean less hours for that location to be open. Less hours means that students doing homework, persons coming to use the computers or the Wi-Fi or read a paper or magazine Not to mention, of course those that are wanting to check out materials will find the library closed due to that reduction in funding.
One of the fundamental reasons for hiring the consultants was a deep need for equity and a funding model allocating by population as we primarily do now gives the library funding for each person in the area regardless of their income or whether they come to check out materials or just use the multitude of materials available aside from actual circulation numbers.
While finding a funding model based in equity is still the goal, taking money from Zone 3 to give to other zones is not equitable at all nor would it be vice versa. I urge the Board of Supervisors to maintain the status quo at this time Particularly in regards to recommendation three with the funding formula, they had recommended model six. I would prefer that we stay at status quo until those.
The report from the consultants can be corrected in some of the major areas that there were errors that I do think were significant and not minor. And once we review that again, then the Library Advisory Committee could vote again on funding formula recommendation. Thank you
Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Ethan Bertrand and I serve as the board president of Isla Vista Community Services District. I'm very pleased with the recommendations that have come out in the discussion that's taken place regarding services for Isla Vista. I appreciate the City of Goleta's discussions and outreach with the community services district We've been able to discuss several really positive options for collaboration.
And that includes operating the Isla Vista Community Resource Building, which the CSD has been doing and bringing in library programs especially for youth and families. Coming up soon we'll have the Isla Vista Community Center open. There's a lot of potential there for us to do joint programming with the Goleta Library. So we're very supportive and grateful for partnership on that. Additionally, we appreciate the commitment for Isla Vista to have representation on the Board of Trustees. Whether that's a representative of local youth and family organizations, whether that's someone on the CSD, that can be determined but we're very grateful for Isla Vista representation there.
And I'll also say that last year during these conversations, I know a number of my colleagues and I felt uneasy because we were talking a lot about Isla Vista's per capita funding for the library branches but not much about the services. But I feel really different about it this time. We've really spoken about good services and helping those who really could benefit from increased library use in Isla Vista so we support the recommendation. Thanks so much.
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Milton Hess be followed by Gabby Edwards.
Chair Williams, members of the board my name is Milt Hess I'm vice chair of the Santa Barbara Library Advisory Board and I'm also the Santa Barbara representative to the library advisory The county's LAC. As a member of the LAC, I'd like to make sure that you're clear on the Table 22 which embodies the recommendation to adopt Model 6. Actually, as they made clear management partners presented a selection of ways to allocate the county's funding. They based the models on four parameters population number of users circulation and median income with variations on those.
So there are actually four decisions to be made one is whether to adopt the formal model In defining the allocation and we've actually been doing this for years based on just the one factor population. The second decision is which factors to include population number of users circulation and or median income or there could be others and you've already heard concerns about using circulation as And then which model to adopt. Management partners presented six possible ways to use the factors, but as a matter of fact and I spent a lot of time analyzing the spreadsheet there are innumerable combinations and permutations of these factors.
The first draft that the LAC reviewed recommended Model 6 And I was a little surprised to hear it repeated today because when the LAC considered it, we had not yet learned that there was a flawed calculation built into it. The corrected Model 6 differs substantially from the original. And so I just encourage you not to nail down one particular model until the LAC has an opportunity to analyze the data in more detail.
So, I hope this clarifies the situation for you and I thank you very much.
Gabby Edwards to be followed by Judith Dale who's our final speaker.
Chairman Williams and Board of Supervisors, I represent the Carpinteria Friends of the Library. And I also represent Carpinteria in sitting on the Library Advisory Committee. I want to thank you for the fact that this report happened. As you know it's been a rough couple of years for our Carpinteria library and we had a lot of hope invested in looking at other models. It's hard to tell how many of these recommendations actually are going to affect Carpinteria but certainly the report gave us A greater context looking at other counties and how they administer libraries. It's been really helpful in that way.
For us, for example, the first recommendation that Goleta form a zone and that Builton and Solvang leaves Zone 1 and move to that zone leaves us with lots of questions. Would that mean, for example, The two branches left in zone one, Montecito and Carpentaria. It would be more expensive for the central library in zone one to administer us or less. Our hope is that if that goes forward as quickly as possible, new budget figures can be determined so that we can go into Carpinteria's budget talks with accurate sense of what it's going to cost to run the Carpinteria library next year.
I always hate that, good it's not up again. The graph that shows that Carpinteria City pays only 15%. I know Supervisor Williams is going to shame them with that. He's going to pass out multiple copies of it at all the city council meetings, and I find myself-
Yeah, I can't hassle Goleta for being under 15%, and
now not
hassle Carpinteria.
I'm gonna gotta do it.
I do have to defend them in reminding you that they practically give us the building in which we have a used bookstore, make a lot of money that we were able to donate to our library so that should count for a little bit. But also the good news is that the city of Carpinteria is going to float sales tax add-on next November to go into the general fund but to be for things like roads, parks and the library and the City Council is committed It's substantially increasing its contribution to the library. There's been a survey, it looks like the voters think this add-on is a good idea so obviously we have to place a lot of hope in that. It's really the only hope for us.
Just quickly with regard to the equity formula Interesting ideas, I want to defer Judith Dale from Builton has a great idea for addressing that. We hope that when you look at the administrative fee it will be clearly designated that donations and friends contributions will not be part of whatever the percentage is that the administrative fee draws from. I think that's it, thanks so much.
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And this will wrap up public comment.
Judith Dale and I represent, I'm the third district county representative to the LAC as well as president of the Buellton Friends. First, I would just like to thank management partners and the staff of community development. For all your work, you were absolutely fabulous to work with and thank you very much for your study. We appreciate it as far as my recommendations and I've spent in numerous hours studying this recommendation one into about Goleta and built and so on if built and does go to Goleta.
We kind of need to know where we're going to go next year. But that can be solved by some suggestions I'll make in a couple of minutes as far as how to figure out how to fund the libraries. I agree with Mary and Laura that for this year, let's leave per capita the same and fund on that. However, we do need to make some adjustments. And the way we can do that very painlessly yet fairly is to take 5% of the county's total per capita money which is about 3.3 million somewhere around there.
And make an equity fund that's administered by the LAC. Because there are issues with some of our libraries that per capita doesn't address. And with the LAC, the people that live and love libraries and meet, and you've given some authority to, that 5% would give them about $165,000. To make up some of these issues and these inconsistencies that are going on. And I feel this is at least a very reasonable transition suggestion while we look at things, if not permanent. And we can revisit this every year. So with $165,000 we can help the Guadalupes. We can let Carpinteria transition so their city council can step up. We can do all kinds of things to help with this disparity that just straight per capita doesn't And the LAC would love to have this responsibility.
As far as joint powers, well let me get to really another crux of the model how each of the administrating cities I strongly feel the county really does need to step up and take a more assertive role in how this is. The disparity between the three zones right now is huge. Santa Barbara takes approximately 20 to 25% of your total operating budget, whereas Santa Maria Zone takes approximately 18% of just the per capita. And the difference between those two is hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So my suggestion is That we, you would set in the contracts that the administrating cities get 20% of the per capita money given to each library for administration. And that 20% is a pretty common throughout industry and corporations and private industry amount that's charged for administration. Donations, other donations wouldn't be taxed. And the cities could know how much their expenses are going to be for administration. It's just a straight 20% of the per capita money from the county.
And that would really help not only the administering cities to know what their expenses are going to be, but the branch libraries to know what they're going to be charged.
I need you to wrap up.
Okay, wrap it up. Boy am I going way going over sorry. I totally agree with looking into joint powers. I totally agree we need a branch library in Isla Vista. I totally agree that the cities should contribute The same per capita as the county for their city populations. In that way, things are fair and I think that's it. And once again thank you for considering this. Thank you to management partners and community services department and Godspeed and the force be with us in figuring all this out.
Mr Chair?
Question from Supervisor Wolff
Thank you, Judith. That's an interesting idea about the 5% per capita but another thing that comes to mind is on occasion the board has allocated additional funds over and above the per capita it's like a one-time basis I think we did that last year $300,000 and I think two years before that maybe it was $150,000 What I'm thinking is that instead, that might be another alternative is to keep keeping per capita status quo. But then if there's a time when we want to do a one-time expenditure, let it go to the LAC just for the reasons that you specified. That'd be great. Anyway, that's just a thought and thank you for bringing that up though.
Yeah, especially it could be an interim solution. And also by the way I totally agree with Milt has to hold off on funding those funding options because when the LAC met there were different Figures, so please don't make a decision today on one of those six funding things. And instead stay with per capita for now and either add to or let the LAC make those adjustments. Thank you.
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That concludes public comment.
It's to the board. Supervisor Hart?
It seems to me that we have at least three major issues. One is the administrative fee, the second is the per cap distribution and model for reallocating that. And the third is the issue that I'm really concerned about because it relates to the second and that is match. How, what makes sense for a match from the cities? And we really didn't, the report didn't get into that in any detail. But I do think that the county needs to use its leverage to over time get the cities to contribute more. This is, the report made clear, a municipal service and the cities really need to step up and we need to encourage them to do that. So my question is what period of time and how could a match be calculated? For example, buildings. How is that considered in terms of a match?
I know that different cities have different arrangements. Some lease, some own the buildings. How could that be considered? I think about CSA 3 to me Supervisor Lavinino's point was well taken. That people consider that an additional level of service so to simply use that as the match doesn't seem appropriate either for the county for I would like to hear more about how we could use our authority to leverage higher contributions from cities.
Mr. Chair and members of the board, that would really go to principle four which would be we do think that in reorienting itself the county ought to a match would be an appropriate way of incentivizing community or city participation you can see that the cities are all over the map in terms of how much they are able to contribute And I think given the underfunded status of the county library system, and the different financial condition of the cities. Cities are not created equally when it comes to sort of revenue generation. Goleta's a very different kind of city than older cities. And so that may be part of the discussion, too. I think this is the kind of thing that it's hard to just come up with an answer right here.
I think that this is going to take further discussion at the LAC or amongst the managers group to try to come up with something that will work because there's nuances Make it a really difficult question, right? I mean, Goleta is from a financial standpoint when Goleta incorporated. It was a much different world than cities that were incorporated prior to that and you hear that all the time, I know.
But in cities of different scale and scope, Or have such different revenue profiles. But it does go to that principle, and I would encourage us to keep that principle in mind whether its new revenues that cities create by sponsoring a revenue measure or an additional contribution from the general fund. I think whatever the county does with your money should incentivize contributions from the cities.
I'm just not, I don't think we're in a position to be able to say here's the formula because as you've heard. It says in our report frankly and it's kind of something to keep in mind when you discuss this. If at first every possible objection must be overcome nothing new will ever be tried. And we're kind of in that kind of a quandary with our current system because we are in this zero sum game.
And that's why we're bound to hear objections, because we are in a zero sum game. I think the county's best approach would be to keep these principles in mind and to move incrementally towards those principles. Two of the items that you touched on, the administrative fee and the contribution from underlying cities are covered here. And I think you are probably in a position where you're going to have to move incrementally. But maybe this year, there could be some movement and you could show the direction you're headed in.
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Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you Mr. Chair. Supervisor Hartman brought up an interesting point. Can you just go to slide six? And I, you know there are so many nuances and how do you necessarily. Either force cities or encourage them. But in this chart, so you see the city of Goleta is less than the county but then we've heard from the city of Goleta that they're moving with a possible increase in funding.
Carpinteria is less than the county but then we heard Carpentry is looking at a sales tax that will hopefully have an allocation. Then the only other city is Guadalupe and I think what we've heard So I guess for Supervisor Hartman is that, do we necessarily need the cities to up their allocations? Because most of them are actually more than the county. And I would say for Guadalupe that's probably one where if we have That it would go to, you know, assist Guadalupe rather than having them pay more coming out of city coffers.
So that's my thought on that. And then to staff we have contracts with all the zones when are those contracts up?
Chair Williams and Supervisor Wolf, we should be coming back to you in June with new contracts. But at this point depending on the funding formula it probably will stay the same for the next fiscal year.
Okay so that would be the status quo but what about Especially in zone one, the issues that have been raised about removing from the total budget. The donations and friends. In other words is that already in the contract? Can we change that now?
Or
do we have to wait until
next year? Not on the contract, not the donations I think it's just the county contributions are in the contract.
So then we could add a clause that says don't include friends' donations and other donations?
I suppose we could. It does make it complicated, though. It may make it kind of like what Andy was saying is for something like Montecito where I think 50%, if not more, of the budget comes from the friends. That's whole operation and to require Or not allow Santa Barbara to put any administrative fee. They would probably shift that over to the per capita. So there is some administration, those dollars aren't just for books they are for staffing and programming as well and that increases Santa Barbara's cost to run those. But I
mean it's something we can work out. Well but on the other hand they wouldn't have the money if it wasn't for in Montecito's case. They wouldn't have the money if it wasn't for the friends donation.
Those are things we could probably negotiate into the contract.
Mr. Chair, I'm ready to make a motion unless there's more comments.
I have a question. Oh, I think we want to let some other supervisors
speak
first. Of course.
Mr. Labanino? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Is Mary still in Santa Maria? I did have a question and I'm sorry I missed. Or Laura?
I'm still here.
Okay, Mary. I'm looking at if we could leave this slide up under the other For Santa Maria Shows, almost 10% of the budget, $280,000 under other. And I was just curious what that is?
That's a combination of fines, fees, meeting room rental, cafe rental. It's basically fines and fees. So for the small libraries it's a pretty small number and that's because they don't take in that much in fines. Okay. It includes E-rate and that's going to go away in 2019.
Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. You know my take on this is I think you know I'm probably aligned somewhere where Judith Dale is on somehow we've got to have a baseline of what these administration fees are and so I think somehow we have to You know, everybody kind of be working off of the same level playing field there. When these items came before us before I really looked at this almost as a border skirmish between zone one and zone two and zone three was kinda out of it which was fine with me. Yeah you brought your popcorn that's good.
Until we got this.
Right. And so, you know what I mean? I think by all accounts everybody We can agree that Zone 3 is well-managed. It has high usage in the City of Santa Maria. You really can't take index circulation, I hope we don't even consider something like that because our library is more of a city hub. My mother-in-law's 88 and lives with me and that's her walk for the day as they go down to the library and she doesn't check out any books but she uses the facility.
You know, I know this is a zero-sum game but at some point, I know Zone 1 and 2 have issues about who uses which library. Somehow that zero-sum game has to come out of Zone 1 and Zone 2. At the end of the day for me, we aren't the problem. I'm thinking if you look at the city of Santa Maria, I'm very surprised and happily surprised that they are contributing 60% of the budget.
And on other issues that we have with them sometimes is we don't find pulling the entire weight this time I feel real good about this in anything You know when I looked at all these different recommendations, ORCID gets whacked on every single one of them. And you know like I said to me this is kind of between Zone 1 and 2 and mostly Zone 1 and just the boundaries within Zone 1 so You know I definitely would want this thing to go back to the LAC. I like the idea of 5% equity as well, I think that's a good idea. I wouldn't want to see it relied on as far as discretionary spending in our budget time because Those discretionary dollars are not going to be there every year, quite frankly. So I think it has to come out of the per capita.
But I think there's some really good ideas out there and I'm glad we're moving in this direction and it's great to have these conversations. I'm glad that people are trying to tackle this thing because it is a monster. You know, it almost kind of reminds me of redistricting with the zero-sum game is you can't do this without somebody being a loser and somebody being a winner.
And what people tend to do is they don't look at the overall county. The first thing you do is you look at your line and say oh I'm getting...I'm in the red, you know? And so I'm opposed to this or I'm in the black so I am okay with that plan. So I have empathy for you. It's difficult, but I do think that our LAC is most well positioned to tackle this and bring back some recommendations.
And I look forward to hearing from them. Supervisor Hart?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I agree with Supervisor Lavinino. I like the idea of the equity fund 5% off the county per cap to the LAC to allocate to libraries in need. I think that's something we could put into place sooner rather than later and maybe it is something to go back to the LAC to consider. I think in terms of administrative fee, there's a compelling case and I've actually tried to raise money for Friends of Libraries. And they don't want to give the money if you're going to charge 20 or more percent for administrators. If we really want to leverage resources, that's not the way to do it. We also heard that Santa Maria views the per cap that the county gives as adequate incentive to keep a lower administrative fee. So I think the 20% on the per cap county contribution is a very defensible position so those two are things that I favor, although I again believe in relying on the expertise of our Library Advisory Committee and I thank everyone who worked so hard on that committee and particularly Judith Dale who spent hours educating me about many of these issues.
So if we need to take a step and go back to the Library Advisory Committee to kind of review what we're thinking here. But I think the idea of a match from the cities is an important one, and I just wanted to respond to something that Supervisor Wolf said. The question is what is the match? Is it one-to-one in terms of dollars or is it one-to one in terms of per cap contribution?
One third of the population in the county lives in unincorporated areas. Two thirds approximately lives in incorporated areas, so that would suggest a different match than a one-to-one. So these are again very complex issues and I don't know how to get I don't know how to incrementally get from where we are to where we want to go, but I do think that we don't want to rock the boat too much this year. And I'd be happy to stay mostly with the existing per capita formula with the 5% equity fund with the cap on administrative fee, but we think carefully about how we begin to reshape this funding formula to get more money from the cities. So that's my position and thank you.
Supervisor Adam. Well, first I want to say how disappointing it was that you guys didn't have a Rock'em Sock'em Robots thing because I brought my popcorn thinking I was just going to watch this whole thing and maybe it hasn't happened yet. Maybe we can still look forward to it. Who knows? Because Supervisor Williams hasn't made a motion yet or anything so maybe we can still have hope here that there's some entertainment quality in this deal.
I am alright with four zones, I think again to chime in with Supervisor Lavanino, one and two gotta work this out you know? This isn't something the colonies are involved in and you guys down here need to just figure that out. The 20% management fee I think is a great cap if If we're subsidizing extra management fees in one area and not the other, then that's a problem to me.
You know if they want to take a bunch of money out of their per capita and throw it back in the management fees okay fine or if they have friends groups that want to subsidize management fees or something that's fine but I think I think the 5% to the LAC is fine as long as it's per capita. The status quo allocation, that's the only thing like I said earlier, ORCID or LOMPOC or both get screwed any other way and I can't agree with that.
And I think maybe Solvang-Buelton should decide if they want to be in Lompoc or Santa Maria at some point. Maybe that's an issue the LIC can grapple with and then come back with a recommendation, but if they no longer want to be in Zone 1 and that makes it easier for Zone 1 to allocate the differences between D1 and D2 And that's a better, they don't get embroiled in that argument.
So that's what my thinking is.
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As a member of the LIC, the intent behind the admin fee was primarily to not provide a disincentive to donations. We recognize that the city of Santa Barbara would ask for a higher admin fee if it was charged on a smaller portion. Of it being the city and county portions, but that it was important not to provide that disincentive for fundraising. Because we all know that unfortunately in this fiscal time it's really been the work of the friends groups and the donations gathered that has prevented Essentially, library services from going down the tubes. And I also agree with the equity fund idea.
It's an important way to move towards some of the goals that have been outlined by this report without really having a sharp shift of winners and losers. And I do think that we should defend the principle that cities should give more. There are going to be extenuating circumstances for some cities at some times, where we say hey, We're going to let you off the hook. But in general, we should be asking cities to push towards the level that Bilton and Solvang do. That's what I said last year, but I'll say it again. That should be kind of where we ask cities to get to.
And of course, we shouldn't retreat on funding. If we're asking cities to give more, we shouldn't retreat on funding. The only way that this gets better for libraries over time is if we shift away from where things were going for a while which is we sort of compete over who gives less but instead to compete over who does more and that is my hope in the long run.
I want to. So we're almost at a kumbaya, I don't want to spoil that. But there is this issue of number one, there are a couple zip codes here that you wonder about like 93110 where 51% according to the card data go to the city but it's incorporated in Goleta's per capita. I'd be more into that if Goleta was stepping up and saying, Buelton and Solvang were going to administer that. Or if anybody was stepping up and saying we're going to administer that.
I really think this is a danger because the city of Santa Barbara has made it clear that their costs will go up This is a fiscal issue. You know, need either making an expectation to Goleta that we expect them to eventually take Built-In and Solvang if we're going to continue funding or detain something or something. I don't know some way where we don't just say hey here's the funding pretty, pretty please next year will you pretty, pretty please take Built-in and Solvang?
And so that is an issue, I don't necessarily expect it to be resolved today but I do think it's an issue. And with that, I'll go to Supervisor Harmon.
Thank you and I appreciate the attention and care for Buellton and Solvang. I think we actually do renegotiate each year, so the per capita money to Goleta would have leverage into the future and they've indicated a willingness and I do think it's a lot to swallow in one bite. The issue of the JPA, I think that's a good way to look in the future. I don't think we're quite there yet to give staff direction. I think we're still trying to assimilate the other recommendations and how to get through this budget year and maybe the next couple but I think that's a great idea going into the future and I believe I will return to this report again and again as we, even in the future. I think the comparisons to other jurisdictions as well as some of the principles that it outlines really will serve as a good reference for years to come so just wanted to add that.
Supervisor Wolf?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I am really intrigued about this 5%. And the problem that I see with that is that it also impacts the libraries that need the money the most if it's across the board, 5% is taken out of our per capita. So that would mean then that we take 5% out of Guadalupe, Quiama. And is that what we want to do? So yes. I'm trying to figure out-
Yeah, I mean it was the intention and pretty well elucidated by the LAC that providing library services to Guadalupe was vitally necessary and would be one of the targets. Of providing funding with that equity fund, so yeah. So
maybe as part of the motion if we do that is to direct the LAC to come up with some way that they have policy or how they're going to allocate the money to the disadvantaged libraries?
I would suggest that we ask the LAC to make a recommendation on where the 5% would go. And it may vary from year to year based on factors like whether a city is in dire financial straits such as Guadalupe or is trying to get a sales tax, or other things that are other factors that are out there.
Because it seems like everyone likes that, right? The 5%. The other question I just need some clarity on the 20% cap on admin fees. Was that for just unincorporated? How would that be presented to the zones?
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Supervisor
Hartman. Each zone administrator, Zone 1 through 4 would get 20% of their per capita for administrative fee county per cap but they wouldn't be able to take friends or other contributions and take 20% of that because it's such a disincentive to giving.
Okay, so Mr. Chaption though if board gives that direction then that's something then that you negotiate with the three zones or four zones?
Supervisor Wall through the chair. Yes, that's the direction from the board we would negotiate that and place that in a contract. I think the other piece of that would be there are city contributions such as Bealton and Solvang. Would they end up having to pay an administrative fee out of their city contributions? I understand it wouldn't be out of the Friends but that's something else that they need to negotiate separately. But we certainly can put the 20% cap per capita, county per capita.
Okay.
Can I try a motion? Go for it. And then there's so many things going on, but before I do thank you management partners for everything that you did all the work all the outreach to lots of people and attending meetings and meeting with supervisors and the public. And to all of the folks who've been continuously here at our meetings and giving us input in really good ideas And hopefully, today we can move a little bit further in what we're recommending as a board. So I'm going to just take a stab at this.
So, I'm going to make a recommendation and I'm going by staff's recommendations as the guidelines. Add the city of Goleta as a fourth contracting party for administration of Goleta Library in addition to the cities of Santa Barbara, Santa Maria and Lompoc. Number two, assign a new zone four which includes Eastern Goleta Valley Community Service Area 3 Isla Vista and Hope Ranch to the City of Goleta for the provision of library services as noted in the PowerPoint map of page 10.
And furthermore that the new Zone 4 city of Goleta We'll be working with the cities of Buellton and Solvang. Along with, we'll be working with the cities of Buellton and Solvang with the intention of incorporating them into Zone 4 within a year. Okay. And then number three, this is the funding formula, a recommendation that we maintain the current county funding allocations With the recommendation that 5% of the total funding allocation be earmarked for socioeconomic levels as determined by the LAC and further direct that the LAC develop a policy on the allocation of those funds.
And number four, addressing the administration that we direct staff to meet with the zones. Each individual zone and removing from any administrative fees on donations made to the libraries within the zone. be at individual donations or friends donations. So that is would not be incorporated as part of any administrative fee and furthermore, this is where I need help, that we make a recommendation that they cap administrative fees of 20% of the amount that the county provides to vote.
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And you had some socioeconomic, I think if we just left that out. Because- Okay. I think if we just let the LAC come up with a policy because there might be a situation somebody gets flooded or something bad. Well, I guess that would be economic but I think if we just take that part out and then leave it to them to figure out where they want the thing to go.
I'm fine to do that and just yes, that's fine in that they come up with a policy on the allocation
okay? There is
motion. Chair Williams, if I can just clarify also. Recall that when Santa Barbara City did their presentation there was an admin fee and there was also an allocated cost fee so my assumption is you want to cap all fees at 20%.
That's my
assumption.
There is a motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? All those in favor? Oh, I was just thinking of something.
OK. We were too close. Sorry. I'm just thinking, OK so that 5%, well this would be something for the LAC to look at. If it's in zone 3, I would like the things to stay within the zone. So if you obviously we have not a good idea. I see head shaking now. It would have come back. You would have given me the recommendation right now. Let's just move forward.
There is a motion and a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? And I guess the two other issues of match and a JPA is sort of in principle and sentiment, it does not need a motion at this time. I just want to thank the consultants and our staff and the LAC for their work on this issue. In particular Mr. Hess delved That was really helpful I think to where we ended up.
At least help prevent us from taking a step that we didn't mean to take. And that concludes item D1. Let's take a short bio break of 10 minutes and come back Yeah. Come up, come back at 20, 20 till. Hi, everyone. You. We are reconvening with item D2.
Chair Williams and members of the board, item number two is for planning and development. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Long Range Planning Division Fiscal Year 18-19 Work Program.
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Please proceed. Good morning Chair Williams, member of the board. For the record my name's Dan Clemon I'm the deputy director for long range planning and I'll be presenting the fiscal year 2018-2019 staff recommended work program. So the purpose of the work program and us being here today is- Dan, could
you hold off? We don't have a
quorum. Yes ma'am. I'm excited about it. Yeah
we do, go ahead.
And just to resume, didn't miss anything so far. The purpose of the Long Range Planning Division Work Program is to first afford the public and interest groups the opportunity to provide input on what they believe should be in the next fiscal year work program. It's also an opportunity for your board to review the existing projects on which we're working that will have remaining work for next fiscal year and then identify potential new projects to be added to the work program.
And all of this is designed to inform the budget preparation, a presentation on which you'll hear on April 18th. And then finally, this is opportunity to identify projects to be added to future work programs if there's not an opportunity to add them to the next year's fiscal year work program. So there were a number of considerations that went into the development of the work program. First and foremost, we always listen to the public or customers in interest groups to hear about their recommendations about what they believe is a priority for the community and should be addressed in the work program.
Second, we're always trying to keep track of our multi-year projects to ensure that there's continued both staffing and financial resources in order to complete those. Third, we operate under the assumption that there will be no increase in staffing. So that really sets the fence post within which I get to work when I'm developing this work program so it's always a very important consideration.
And then we're also constantly monitoring particularly the state's activity and the new legislation that's coming down from Sacramento which has an impact on what we do here. And what we're constantly trying to do is keep our regulations and other policy documents Up to date, consistent with those state regulations so that not only planners but our customers are aware of the expectations on the projects that are subject to those state mandates.
And then finally what we found when we were reviewing the work program and past work programs is we're coming to the conclusion of a lot of projects for example community plans and other plans which have Very important projects for certain communities, neighborhood groups and particular interests. But one unintended consequence of this is that our county-wide comprehensive plan elements have become quite out of date. And then also state law is changing rapidly. There are a lot of new requirements that are being added particularly with regard to housing density circulation and other issues. So what we are proposing in this work program, and I'll go into more detail later on about this. Is completing that work that we've completed on those projects and focusing now on these county wide projects.
And you'll see our recommended projects very much emphasize that. So in general, there are three components to the work program. First being our required services and operations. Second would be the projects on which we're currently working, which will have remaining work for the next fiscal year. And then whatever free board is left over, we recommend new projects for your consideration.
So just taking the first group of activities, required services. I'm not going to go into detail about all of these but in general we provide a number of services to both other county agencies and non-county agencies. There are also a number of state mandated reports that we must complete for example, Complete annually capital improvement projects, general plan conformity review. We also prepare the general plan annual report and then also provide technical advisory services to agencies such as LAFCO and others.
When you add up the amount of time that we have historically spent on these services it comes out to about 1.5 FTEs once again given that we're not requesting an increase in staffing. We are just projecting a future and recommending similar allocation for the next fiscal year. In addition, we perform a number of standard business operations. Nothing too interesting here to say except that when you add up all of these items in the administrivia that we conduct it actually ends up being about 3.0 FTEs.
You might have noticed in comparison to past work programs, the distribution in FTEs between services and operations has been slightly modified. And that's to reflect the actual work that has been conducted on these various activities as shown in our previous fiscal years. So the second component to the work program consists of ongoing projects, that is projects on which we're currently working, which will have remaining work for the next fiscal year.
The first category of those would be our comprehensive plan and community plan projects. And as you can see here on this slide, the majority of the projects have a small amount of remaining work. on Progress within this fiscal year as we would have liked on this project, but there's some good reasons for that. Starting with, for example, we spent about a month and a half working on grant applications, one application of which would apply to the circulation element. And that is a Caltrans Sustainable Communities Grant for which we applied in the amount of about $922,000. So that takes quite a bit of work. We also worked on another grant application.
And for those of you who have not prepared these or been involved with it, it is a substantial amount of work. A lot of coordination, for example, with other community groups with whom we must work in order to be eligible for these grants and putting that all together. So that along with we have had staff who've been dedicated to the disaster recovery efforts at Montecito. That's taken away staffing resources from working on this as well as a number of other unforeseen tasks that come up on other projects like additional work on the cannabis project so Once again, we haven't gotten as far as we would have liked for the circulation element update. But next year, we are definitely going to embark on that in earnest.
So the other projects on which we're currently working, which involve ordinance amendments, very similar story to the last slide. The majority of the projects just have a very small amount of work remaining mostly having to do with the Coastal Commission certification process. The one exception here would be the ag-tiered permitting project. We found after evaluating all the requests for projects to be included in this project, that is changes to the ordinances to be included in this project. That it's very likely that this project will involve the preparation of an environmental document.
We currently don't have in our current fiscal year budget The money to prepare an environmental document, so we're basically queuing up this project such that assuming that your board does allocate the funding for the environmental document. We will prepare that document and complete this project within the next fiscal year. So after accounting for the services and operations in the remaining work on the current projects, we have approximately 1.7 FTEs to dedicate to entirely new projects.
And we've broken those up into two general categories, the first being mandated projects. Those would be state mandates and the second would be non-mandated projects. So just very briefly going through the mandated projects, with your board's adoption of the multi-jurisdiction hazard mitigation plan in August of 2017. The government code says that we are obligated now to update our safety element to specifically address resiliency planning throughout the county.
We have already begun a substantial amount of work as part of the coastal resiliency project. So the safety element update would involve mostly doing the corresponding or complementary work for the inland areas. And then also pointing to where we have addressed resiliency as part of the coastal resiliency project. Once again, we have also submitted an application to FEMA and California OES. It's a hazard mitigation grant in the amount of $1 million and We were screened through to submit the formal application, so we'll be submitting that before the deadline to do so. So we're hoping that we'll get some additional funding to assist with the update to the safety element.
The second mandated project involves the Housing Affordability Accountability Act bills. And I've listed two of the three bills on the screen here, those would be Assembly Bills 1515 and SB 167. There is another bill, Assembly Bill 678 which was Essentially merge with Senate Bill 167. And these are important bills as they establish some new requirements for projects that qualify as affordable to very low up to moderate, excuse me, up to and including moderate income category residential projects. And effectively what this bill says, highly summarizing it because there's a lot of details in the bill. But if a developer is proposing a project on any site which we have identified to meet our RENA requirements of our current housing element, the burden of proof is now on us to justify allowing a density less than the maximum density allowed on that property.
So, it actually turns the burden of proof now on us as compared to the applicants. So this is a pretty big deal and we want to make sure that these new requirements are reflected in the ordinance amendments such that once again not only planners but then our customers are aware of these requirements Now for the non-mandated new projects, we are suggesting a very surgical amendment to the county's environmental thresholds pertaining to the quality of life.
If you read these they address social and economic impacts in this. You're probably aware that CEQA does not evaluate social and economic impacts except to the extent that it informs the significance of a physical impact on the environment. That is not made clear in our current county threshold, so what we'd be doing is based upon fairly recent case law and other guidance we've received from the state. Going in and more clearly articulating that link to the physical impacts and making sure our initial studies and environmental documents are prepared accordingly.
With that said once again, the total amount of work for the new projects consists about 1.7 FTE for the next fiscal year. This slide lists a number of projects that have been recommended as part of past work programs. This is definitely not the universe of projects that have been suggested but not actually implemented as part of past work programs, but once again keeping in mind the considerations that went into our recommendations for The next fiscal year's work program, we have identified other projects which are countywide and implications.
And once again have been suggested by others in the past so that there is at least some support for some of these. I would say that the one exception would be the Union Valley Parkway roadway extension project. For those of you who were on the board last year might recall that this was one project that was suggested for consideration to be included in the work program.
And as you can see, if you add up all the FTEs for all these projects it's roughly 13.1 FTEs well beyond what our staffing allocation is. So what I would say is if there is any desire to replace any of the recommendations that we have provided as part of the recommended work program with one of these projects just please indicate what you would like removed from your program in order to accommodate that.
Now, I made a similar presentation to this presentation to both the Planning Commissions and we also discussed the work program with the Agriculture Advisory Committee. With regard to the Planning Commission's recommendations, the County Planning Commission didn't really have any specific recommendations about anything that we were already including or recommending as part of the work program. However, based in part on public testimony that the County Planning Commission received there was A desire for us to focus on ordinance amendments dealing with night lighting and signage. These are requests that have come up repeatedly over roughly the last decade or so as part of the consideration of other work programs.
We believe that we can address these amendments. Without creating an entirely new special project to be added to the Long Range Planning Work Program. Because as part of the budget for other programs in the planning and development department, we have money allocated for maintaining our ordinances. So what we would be doing is relying upon that budget allocation and highlighting, excuse me, focusing on these ordinance amendments among the number of other ordinance amendments in the works.
There was also an emphasis on utilizing existing information that's available. So for example, with night lighting as part of the development of other community plan and night lighting policies, we already got a lot of good information on which we work so We don't believe that there'd be a whole lot of work associated with this. And once again, we could accommodate it as part of our annual ordinance amendment packages For the Montecito Planning Commission's recommendation, the Montecito Planning Commission did not have any specific recommendations regarding any of the projects or tasks FTE allocations except that they wanted to make it explicitly clear that resiliency planning is of the utmost importance and should be the focus of attention.
Just to emphasize that, I just want to read verbatim from their action letter in which they articulated specific comments that they wanted to be presented to your board for consideration. And their specific request was that we commence with the review and development of new requirements for resiliency for Santa Barbara County. Resiliency should be considered as broadly as possible to include the infrastructure of Santa Barbara County, as well as structural development.
And they provide examples of that and in terms of withstanding climate-based events. What I will say is, I think I failed in my presentation to the Montecito Planning Commission to highlight the resiliency activities and projects that we're already including in the work program. As you're aware from the presentation Ms. Evil Sizer gave to your board about a month ago, we are very far along with the coastal resiliency project.
Once again, we are going to be updating the safety element which is designed solely for resiliency and adaptation planning in the inland areas. Which will complement the work on the coastal resiliency project. And as part of the circulation element update, we are mandated by the state to address resiliency planning for our infrastructure. And none of this deals with the multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan, which has already been adopted and is in effect for the county. So we feel that we are adequately focusing on resiliency planning and it's a little difficult to quantify with regard to circulation element but we have approximately 2.1 FTE in our recommended work program just to work on resiliency planning.
Finally, we also discussed the work program with the Agriculture Advisory Committee at their meeting on March 7th. At that time they did not have any formal recommendation to provide however we did encourage them to submit recommendations to your board today I have not personally received any Correspondence from them you might have, but we are going to report back to the AAC at their meeting tomorrow whatever is the outcome of this hearing today. And ultimately they would have the opportunity to provide commentary for example at the budget hearings when we speak on April 18th.
So with that, I'd just like to summarize, highly summarize the recommended actions from the board letter. And essentially it is to allocate the funding and staff resources to approve the work program subject to the approval of P&D budget. And that is to continue to provide the required services operations and work on projects with remaining work for the next fiscal year.
To initiate this staff recommended new mandated non-mandated projects and allocate the funding for those. And then finally, find that your action today is not a project that is subject to CEQA. Pursuant to the state's equal guidelines section 15378B5. With that said I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you might have.
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Are there any
questions before we move on
to public comment?
Supervisor Hart?
Thank you Mr. Chair, thank you for explaining about the 2.1 FTEs and the circulation being part of the resiliency planning it's very helpful to know that I also had a question about the annual ordinance amendment process and whether you could include exempting artists garden architectural and holiday tours As part of your annual ordinance update, exempting that from the Temporary Use Ordinance which now requires a conditional use permit and is very onerous and there's no benefit from that.
Mr. Chair and Supervisor Hartman, we can certainly look at that. One of the criteria that we use when trying to come up with ideas for that program, our ordinance amendment program is CEQA exemption and meeting a need. And I know this would definitely meet a need that has presented itself in your part of the county and in others. And we just need to think about whether or not we can process that through a CEQA exemption but we'd be happy to look at that
Supervisor Labanino. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So on the EVP extension that's been on there now for a couple of years Do we have just even a ballpark if we decided it? And I'm looking at these as recommendations and will deal with them in the April workshop. Do we have any idea how long that would take once if we decided to tackle that?
Yes, through the Chair, Supervisor Lavagnino. When we scoped it out we believed we could complete the project within one fiscal year. Once again as you can see it's about a half an FTE of work and we would be most likely preparing an environmental document for that project. The only, I'd say the interesting considerations that go into that is not so much the road in the event that it primarily serves but also other plans for development within proximity to Union Valley Parkway. For example there's a school that's planned out there and we would have to account for that, for example in our cumulative analysis of impacts. But yes, we are anticipating that if we do embark on that project, we could complete within one fiscal year.
So, I am aware of the school going up. So how does that normally work if we just continued not to fund this and the school moves forward? Would they be required to do an EIR at that point or how do we eventually get that hookup? I guess what I'm asking is our strategy that somebody else is going Have to do this because I don't really see it happening until that road gets connected out there. I mean, it's like chicken and the egg kind of thing for me.
Through the Chair, Supervisor Lavagnino. So similar to what I explained in terms of the cumulative analysis if we initiate the project they would have to do the same if they were to be for example preparing an environmental document for the school site. What we would do at that point time is comment On the scope of the analysis, we have a procedure that we do. That we actually manage on behalf of the CEO for the review of those projects. So we would comment and just make it, inform them that they do have this event at the Oaks Lodge. And that should be factored into their consideration of planning for the area for circulation. However actual building and construction none of that would be addressed so it'd just be the environmental analysis of it.
Okay, so last question is, so we have down half time, half FTE. Is there any, and I don't know how much studying we've done of that project. Is there anything less than a half FTE that we need to do to prepare ourselves so We're ready to go. Are we ready to go? I mean, if we decided right now, not right now but in the budget cycle that this was a priority. So what I'm getting is we would probably farm this out to an outside consultant for Your environmental study that yes now.
So Mr Chair and Supervisor Labanino, we would farm out the environmental review assuming it was more than an ND to prepare but we would not farm out the project itself. I think we do need some design plans and I don't believe we have anything specific on design and we certainly aren't in the business of designing roads
but
Does that answer your question?
Yeah, I think we'll probably get more into it in April. Well this is April. Wow! So budget workshops are two weeks away, huh? Okay.
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So I have a question about the ag tiered permitting. So some of the elements of the project were not deemed as needing environmental review last year, but you now think that they need environmental review and why is there a change there? Because that obviously means more work which slows down everything so it's a subject of concern. So can you elucidate why that is?
Yes, Chair Williams. To clarify the one component that was under consideration to be included in the Ag Term Permitting Project it's actually a program in our housing element we already have in our work program implementing the programs of the housing element so Not only was it a standalone sort of item that was already, at least at a very high level, already evaluated as part of the environmental document adoption of the housing element. But also because we could see that that is a project that likely would not require an environmental document and also because none of the other components of that ag tier permitting project are contingent on that being approved. We don't have to worry about for example a CEQA piece milling argument. So what we did is, we could also see that given the remaining work effort in this fiscal year.
We could tackle that one component and get it to your board by this June and complete it. Excuse me, pardon me. And that one component is the downshifting in the permit requirements for agricultural employee housing. It was stated in the board letter I didn't state it right now excuse me.
And then what would it cost if we wanted to try to knock out the other portions of the ag permitting with environmental review? Meaning, if we didn't wait on that. What is the fiscal impact?
Yeah, so the scoped out environmental review right now. And this is assuming that an EIR would be required. We can't verify that but it's looking like it would. So we have scoped out an environmental impact report that would cost roughly $150,000 to prepare and there's a small fee of $3,218 to file the California Department of Fish and Wildlife CEQA environmental document filing fee.
Then on the resiliency issue, I think it's an important thing that was mentioned by the Montecito Planning Commission. Can you just give us a flavor of what we're already working on so that you can reassure me that essentially their intent is already being met?
Mr. Chair, I'm going to answer by supplementing what Dan already indicated. So we are working on coastal resiliency, we'll be doing the safety element and then the circulation element. But we're doing a lot more in the Montecito community and the rest of the county hopefully won't have to benefit from these changes but could as well. We're working on the like for like ordinance changes that your board directed on March 13th.
When we did an update on the debris flow and fire situation, this would allow more flexibility for people to site their structures both in terms of footprint and elevation. And still qualify for a land use exemption which I think is important to a lot of people in the community. Put the case manager process in place. We've offered and have conducted consultations with applicants on how they might want to rebuild, and what information they'll need if they want to move forward now with flood control staff. And we're coordinating very highly with them or working on the FEMA hazard mapping which should be available in the June-July time frame. And then we're also working with a group.
which doesn't exactly have a name yet. It sprung from the AIA, Santa Barbara AIA group and they are more than the AIA it's the land use and design community and we're working to hold Several public meetings, but the first hopefully on April 19th to provide the design professional advice to applicants. So we're really trying to do a lot and we're trying to present people with options so that they know there's hope that they can rebuild in a better way and in a safer way.
And then the $150,000 level. Is that what it would also take if we were to tackle something like environmental review for solar county wide? I mean, no, we all want more solar. We want more economic development but most renewable developers look at our rules and believe that its illegal in this county so Is that approximately what it would take?
So Mr. Chair and board members, I think it would be more than $150,000 if we wanted to provide for permitting for utility-grade solar countywide. It was certainly much more than that when we did the ordinance amendments that allowed for the solar facilities in the Cuyama Valley. I didn't bring that precise number with me but I can certainly get that for you.
Our estimate. It's not a precise number, our estimate.
Supervisor Williams are you talking about rooftop solar? No I'm
talking about the real deal. Utility
scale to prevent us from building more natural gas fire power plants. The
real
deal.
So Mr. Chair that's what I assumed as well because rooftop solar and freestanding solar for individual properties is already allowed and it's a very expedited process
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Any other questions before we move to public comment? I think we have four speakers.
Yes, Chair Williams, members of the board. We're going to go to Santa Maria for our speakers today. Alice Patino followed by Andy Caldwell.
Good morning. Can you hear me?
Yes, we can hear you Alice.
Go ahead. Good morning Chair Williams and the Board of Supervisors. As representing the City of Santa Maria I want to talk to you about the city's support for the connection from Union Valley Parkway to the Elks Rodeo frontage road. The City of Santa Maria is in support of a new public road Connection at the east side of Union Valley Parkway and US 101 interchange. We are requesting this to be done as part of the circulation element update program. This was presented to the planning commission as part of the long range planning division for the year 2018 through 2019 work program.
The addition of this road segment would facilitate the multi-agency approval process to provide an alternate access to the Elks UNICAL Events Center. The Elks have been expanding the number of scope events to this point, where the facilities become a regional draw for the community. The need to improve circulation for safety and public convenience is becoming a more urgent priority.
Providing a frontage road connection to the Union Valley Parkway interchange will supplement the existing connection at the Santa Maria Way interchange, which will provide a significant improvement to the traffic circulation before, during and after events. We strongly urge the board to add this to the fiscal year 2018-2019 long range planning division work program. Thank you very much.
Mr. Caldwell to be followed by Andy Mills
I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. I kind of want to talk with you at the 30,000 square foot level. Years ago, I spent seven years of my life on what was called the PIT, the Process Improvement Team that was initiated by Supervisor Schwartz and Centeno. And the goal of that process was to make the ministerial permit process truly ministerial. So we took ministerial permits, but tried to make them really ministerial. But what we were not allowed to do is to recommend downshifting from discretionary to ministerial And what I would present to you in light of the fact that you're going to be going through budget misery here in a couple of weeks and for the next couple of years.
And I don't want to make Supervisor Wolf's head explode, but we really do need to consider the fiscalization of land use. What does that mean? How do we make money? The vast bulk of the land doesn't have to do with design standards for Eastern Goleta. The vast bulk of the land that you control is ag land, and for instance how stupid is it that we say ag is our number one priority or commodity or land use? And we're shipping 50% of the grapes out of the county because we can't build enough crush facilities.
And that we have limitations of greenhouses and carpenteria. And we had to do a whole gosh dang EIR to put hoops up when the hoops are already up. We've really got a problem here of overthinking this stuff, and creating a bureaucracy that spends millions of dollars planning for land for community plans, for instance, that end up more restrictive than the last one you had.
There's no, we talk about long range planning to preserve quality of life. There is no quality of life without a job. You need to think that how can we increase revenue while preserving ag? And not when nobody wants to be, you know San Fernando Valley Orange County. Let there be limited growth in terms of urban development or at least planned growth. But how do we make ag fire on all cylinders and keep it green and get people jobs?
And how do we keep these legacy farming families on their ranches when they're getting priced out? For instance, the ADU. How come that never makes it? Updating the uniform rules. Let's reinvent. Let's go back to pit part two and bring down discretionary to ministerial permits. Thank you.
Andy Mills and then we'll hear from Lori tomorrow.
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Thank you chair Williams members the board I'm Andy mills representing the Santa Barbara County Cattlemen's Association. Last week at the Planning Commission meeting, the commission passed as part of their resolution a recommendation to update the uniform rules for William Snack Contract to accommodate the accessory dwelling unit. The accessory dwelling unit is This is the. Closest thing we've gotten to our intergenerational housing that we have asked for four years and we support the power in commission recommendation because the way it is now there's no plan who update Probably 90% of the large ranches are in Williamson Act contracts, even medium-sized ranches.
Without an update to the uniform rules nobody's going to be able to qualify for the ADU. So we support the Planning Commission recommendation and hope that you will add that to the work program. Secondly I had a communication from the chair of the AG Advisory Committee Paul Van Leer a couple minutes ago and he asked me in my capacity as vice-chair to mention to you that the AG Advisory Committee was poised to consider recommendation I would like to make an update to the CEQA thresholds for agriculture.
We were poised, as I said, to do that tomorrow but then this meeting was moved up so there was not And I would like to invite. As vice chair of the egg advisory committee to include an update who the. Egg threshold the sequel thresholds as they apply
Good afternoon, this is Lori Tamura. I'm speaking in favor of the third time request for Union Valley Parkway funding. Just a little background. Caltrans started designing the Union Valley Parkway interchange about 10 years ago. It's fully designed to go in both directions, east as well as it's west which is how it's laying out today. The only reason that segment was not built is because the County Orchid Community Plan did not identify a connection to Union Valley Parkway going east That was a technical error done in 1997 because they had already identified land uses on the east side of the freeway, including the rodeo facility. But the circulation element did not show a connection to Union Valley Parkway and Caltrans would not allow that connection to occur.
Six years ago, Union Valley Parkway was completed. It is a beautiful fully designed interchange that's underutilized because we don't have the east connection. We are hoping as development is occurring on the east side, including the expanded uses of the rodeo facility which is a nationally recognized rodeo. Uses are also happening throughout the year there and a high school is going to be built on the east side of the freeway. To rely on only one connection is I'm gonna say irresponsible when you have an opportunity to make that connection to Union Valley Parkway.
I'm pleased to hear that staff is pursuing grants and other opportunities for funding to do some of their other projects. So, I hope that based on the commitment that was made last year to make this the next and highest priority on the list, that this is made. A priority for this year and funded as those grants come in. So please, please for the community North County or the region where the state in the nation we need to include a connection to Union Valley Parkway and again the road is called Rodeo Drive between Santa Maria way and Union Valley Parkway and This is the only thing that you need to look at, is the Caltrans plans that are already done. So a lot of work has gone into this. It's a priority for the North County, it's a priority for the community, its growth inducing for businesses, for the economics of the North County and this is the time to make it happen.
Please fund this circulation amendment to the Orchid Community Plan. for Union Valley Parkway and Santa Maria Way. It's very important, thank you.
That concludes public comment.
Supervisor Adams?
Well I'd just like to say that we should refer to that as rodeo drive because Rodeo drives in Beverly Hills.
I was going to say, I heard it's really ritzy.
Yeah, I think in the colonies its rodeo drive. Anybody that wants to be the third vote, we will name the road after you. Okay?
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It's to the board. Since there are no lights... So big picture thing is I do think that if If there's one important observation I've had after a year on this job is that one of our challenges for meeting the future, planning challenges such as that which disasters pose us. Sustainability challenges, economic challenges, fiscal challenges is that this institution Just by way of its processes is enormously status quo oriented. It just takes eons to change anything, and one of the biggest reasons for that in my opinion is because we do not have adequate resources or staffing of long range planning.
If almost all the things that we want to do require it to go through long-range planning and we don't do something about that, then all of them or at least 80% of the moves that could make a significant economic difference will just get bottlenecked in long range planning for three, four years. And so I do think that we need to wrestle with that in our budget deliberations.
Because, I think all of us kind of look at this and just get depressed, right? When are we going to actually be able to address some of these issues for me one Part of ag tiered permitting, just not only how can we have ag survive and thrive here. But one of those elements is how can we have ag have farm worker housing when it's supposed to be a simple thing and it's not a simple thing?
So, and then one of the other issues is solar. Everything about our economic need and our values would speak to the idea that we would have utility scale solar in the South Coast. And I think it undermines our place in history as a birthplace of environmentalism We're one of the places where there's no utility scale renewables anywhere south of the mountains. And that, to me is a badge of shame and to me the idea that when private developers look at the area they go well it's easier to permit a fossil fuel development in Santa Barbara than it is a solar development. That should be like kind of a wake up call to us and so I guess the question is do we, that I think we may need to wrestle with in the budget deliberations is. Do we have enough funds to set aside so that we can Have more money later on by increasing the scope of work.
Or are there state mandated elements of the work plan right now that can wait? I don't know what the deadline is on the airport or the circulation element from state, so maybe that's a question for staff to address. But I'll give you some time to address that by calling on Supervisor Adam first.
Sorry, and it's not about this. But we have people in the audience looking to the next item and if we're going to break for lunch before that maybe we should just as agenda management before we get into this further? Whatever your pleasure is but if we could just let them know.
Well, it's usually my inclination to power on so that the public can have their item heard. But is that agreeable to everybody? Okay, we're going to power on.
Okay, thank you. Sorry Mr. Adams.
No
problem. So nothing is simple here. There's a culture here that overthinks everything. And it's always been that way. And I'm glad you see it, and I don't know if we can overpower it from up here or not, but it just is everything. Farmworker housing, solar hoops, lines on maps like Rodeo Drive. That's a line on a map! How could that take a year? It's just not that hard. If you're not willing to overthink everything That should be like a couple of months project, and we should just be on with it because that is gonna be a road there someday. And we can drag our feet as long as we want to but that's gonna be a road and it really needs to if you've ever been to the facility up there when there's a whole bunch of people coming, IE like the rodeo, that's just insane.
You know, the ingress-egress on that thing is crazy. And I think Highway Patrol particularly and our Sheriff's Department would thank us heartily if we would put another avenue of ingress-egress there so you could have a loop instead of this everybody comes in one way and out the same way. It makes it really hard. I mean, I want that done obviously. And I think we should just streamline this whole process because if we're willing to do it, I think we can open up a lot of... This is real economic development You know, we give lip service to economic development all the time and we give the Chamber of Commerce a little money.
And you know that really isn't... In my opinion it's very poorly spent because they talk about it for awhile but nothing ever actually gets done. This, you cut this timeframe in half on a bunch of these projects and that turns into real economic development, real jobs Real income for people and investment. And taxes come from these things, and that's how we make our money is taxes. And that is something that we do not have enough of.
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Supervisor Hartman?
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have two questions. The first has to do with ADUs on Williamson Act lands. Are we preempted by the new state law? Does that take precedence over our uniform rules?
No, Chair Williams, Supervisor Hartman. No, those two separate laws were not preempted and just to explain where that came from as part of our presentation to the County Planning Commission with regard to the ordinance amendments for accessory dwelling units. One of the suggestions from the planning commission is that we take a look at the uniform rules and how they treat accessory dwelling units as compatible uses on Contracted lands, more specifically making it clear that those are allowed as compatible uses. So if the board would like us to make those changes we could do so as a part of ADU ordinance amendments. But those are separate distinct laws and they wouldn't prevent us in any way from doing that.
And my second question has to do with the circulation element update and whether the rodeo road could be included in that in anyway?
Supervisor Chair, Supervisor Hartman. Those are really very different distinct projects. There are specific state mandates that we must satisfy as a part of the circulation element update. What I will say though is that they are related I'll be indirectly with regard to, for example if this is a roadway that the board would want to consider being included in the circulation element as part of our circulation network. We would be looking and projecting as a part of our updates to the roadway plates for the circulation element update to see what will be, for example an appropriate roadway for Union Valley Parkway but it really is a separate project. Would require its own environmental review and really should be treated separately from that circulation element update.
Mr. Chair, just one more issue on the Union Valley Parkway. I think the circulation element is going to be a multi-year project and it would be kind of dragged, Union Valley Parkway would be dragged down by the circulation element if it were combined.
Supervisor Labernino? Yes smoking along so quickly right now. So this is I mean, this is good for us to look at. But we do go through this every year and it's a process of letting us know basically we set the priorities but there's just not enough resources to get all this done. So I guess the question then becomes okay, How much of this could we, if we decided to just knock a lot of this stuff out that's been sitting on here for awhile.
How much of this is stuff that we could do outside of these walls? And how much can be farmed out? And this is something I guess it might come back to us in the budget workshop is there's a dollar value associated with all of this. And what I'd like to see is okay, if we spent X, These projects, this much of it could be done as a farm out and then we'd have to deal with the balance of it.
Because I don't see us going out and hiring a bunch of people to do a lot of this work. Because if we brought people in, it's going to take us a year or two years before we trust anybody with some of this. And I really don't know if fresh bodies coming into this facility is the answer. If it is, I need to know that too and how many of those it would take. So this is a problem.
I'd kind of like to see some options. I guess every year what it is, you guys just give it to us and then we all sit up here and try to fight over a half FTE to get our project done. It's probably not the best solution. So I'm just seeing if there are other options that are out there that, you know outside the box is there other ways we could do and tackle some of these things that just seem to linger?
And they're all important most of them. That I'm looking at are things that I want to see done so we can keep moving forward. And I understand you guys, you know you're sitting with your hands tied because you only have a certain amount of bodies that we give you and you can only do a certain amount of work in that time. So maybe through the, I guess what I'm asking for is through the budget process that we're giving some options of what could be done. And then I guess it's a policy decision on us of how we move forward.
Mr Chair, if I could just ask a clarifying question Supervisor Lavinino. Sir are you asking us to try and figure out which of the potential future projects we could do through either additional staff or contracts? Yeah. Okay, that's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure.
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So my timing question on the, I think you sort of answered it on a circulation element which is that it will be multi-year so you'll barely get it done in time. What about the airport land use?
Yeah, Chair Williams that is highly contingent on SBCAG's development of the airport land use plan. So for example we have already received certain technical studies for review so SBCAG at least according to their most recent projections are showing that they won't Most likely not have an environmental document prepared until the next fiscal year. So we have to wait until that's prepared and then what we will be doing is relying on that environmental document for making whatever corresponding amendments need to be made to our comprehensive plan to address it, so it's really driven by SPCAG at this point.
So does that mean we got an extra 0.3 FTE to allocate?
I'm sorry if you could repeat the question please.
Meaning if you don't think that SP CAG will get it done in time for us to do our work, or at least largely not in time for us to do our work. Then does that mean that we can reallocate part of that 0.3 FTE or not?
I don't see a, excuse me, Supervisor Chair. What we could do is something similar to what we did for example at the Univalley Parkway project last year is that if there is free board that come, that we gain over the next year because we get further along in some of those projects. We could have that as a backup and we could turn our attention to that at that point in time so.
Once again, I'm working within a fixed FTE number. I'm trying to get as much out of that as possible. And just to clarify we do believe SB CAG will have the documents plans prepared within the next fiscal year that is 18-19 such that we could finish out what we need to do so.
Chair Williams and Supervisors, so along those lines what we haven't done in the past is come back to you at mid-year and see if there's more free board or more opportunity for the board to add to the list. We haven't done that in the past. We could. And I also wanted to bring your attention that your frustration about how we move so slowly, the planning staff as you said is a product of The work that's been done by prior boards and this board as far as the list of projects, all the ones on the ongoing on this list were new since I've been here. And the circulation element has been on a list of something we need to get done as long as I've been here. So we are making some progress, new things do come up and planning responds as best they can.
But I also wanted to mention as part of the Renew 22 projects, they did planning has suggested doing a general plan surcharge to help cover some of the long range planning divisions cost. So that's something that we are talking about for your board's consideration.
Well, I think that's probably a good investment for applicants. In my experience it sucks to pay more but it sucks even more to not ever get anything done. But I'll say for instance that when I was in the city council we Dr. Secord and myself champion an effort together from the left and the right, I suppose you could say to charge more for permitting so that we could move a lot faster. And in general applicants were much more happy about paying more if they could actually move faster but That's just my point.
I guess the question for the board is, do we want to ask planning to bring back some numbers of what it would take to address Union Valley solar and some of the ag projects as part of the budget deliberations? I'm seeing saddened and depressed nodding. Does anybody want to? Chime in, Supervisor Adam.
Well just to your last you know we're already a really high tax environment and at some point you know you can tell people you're going to do something faster and maybe they will pay more if we actually produce it faster but I think we've continued to charge more And I'm not hearing the accolades from the permittable community out there that we're cranking it over.
Supervisor Harbin.
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Thank you Mr. Chair, I think I have a procedural question it's my understanding that we approve this work plan today as separate from the budget but that we might also come back in the budget workshops and hearings and learn more about what it would cost to do additional things is that my understanding that correctly?
Mr. Chair and Supervisor Hartman, that's certainly our goal, so yes. And as CEO Mia Sato said, this work program is the work program for this next fiscal year. Your board can always and has in the past adjusted that. You did for cannabis, you've inserted other things over time. So this is our best idea of what we should be working on next year and this is what we would start with but we could do a mid-year check in week. We will obviously have to come back to the board if we receive one or both of the grants. That'll provide some options to deal with the monies that we right now are funding through other sources, so this isn't your only shot at discussing this and providing direction.
Is there a motion?
Supervisor Hartman.
I move staff's recommendation.
Is there a second? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed, thank you. We'll do San Marcos Foothills we will take a lunch and closed session break before PACE however
Chair Williams, members of the board. Item three is from community services. This is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the San Marcos Park Master Plan and authorize the review of master plan consistency with the adopted EIR for the property. This is in the second district.
Chair Williams I'd like to turn this presentation over to Brian Yanez our Deputy Parks Director.
Good afternoon Chair, Board Members. We're here to present our San Marcos Park Master Plan and we're looking for board approval to approve this master plan as well as authorize the park staff to proceed With the evaluation environmental compatibility and consistency with the adopted EIR, and conditions of development for the parcels. And determine that the above recommended actions involve a feasibility or planning study for possible future actions what the county has not approved, adopted, or funded. And are thereby statutorily exempt from environmental review under the CEQA.
So San Marcos Park Master Plan staff, park staff along with Arcadia Studio, Suzanne Alledge Planning and Permitting Services, Flowers & Associates, Store Environmental Services worked on this master plan. Oops one over one too many. So I'm going to start by kind of acclimating everyone with these three parcels. We have lot 17, 20 and 21. Those are the park parcels that are located just east of Highway 154 north of Cathedral Oaks and Foothill. So here's Highway 154 and here's the three parcels, 20-21, which is adjacent to San Marcos Foothill Preserve. 200 acres of San Marcos Foothill Preserve is there and we are talking approximately 10 acres between 17-20 and 21. These three park parcels were dedicated to the county with the recordation of a track map and ERR in 2006.
These park parcels are separate from the preserve as these park parcels have been studied through the EIR for the impacts of a passive park. The San Marcos Preserve Master Plan was also done for the preserve in 2014. Most recently, These three park parcels, 17-20 and 21 were identified in the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan to be master planned for the development of a passive park.
And a passive park that could have the following uses such as trails, kiosks, picnic areas, public restroom, off leash dog area and other passive uses. So again we're just talking about these three parcels today That's what we master planned was 17, 20 and 21. So I want to really distinguish those three parcels from the preserve. Community outreach workshops.
We first started with the online survey, was on our website for about five weeks. We did receive 200 respondents and the survey prioritized amenities identified in the EIR in the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan. And from the survey, the three most desired amenities were one walking path which was about 82%, Vista areas with seating which was about 71% and a fenced off leash dog area at 61%. And that was a survey done approximately about five weeks on our website. We also held four public workshops.
Which included second district staff, our second district park commissioner, park staff and our consulting team. We did three Saturdays and one of those Saturdays was a site visit to the three parcels. We did one weekday evening. So those were our four public workshops. We sent out over 500 mailers to the surrounding residents, inviting them to the workshops.
We did press releases and we sent out 2200 emails with Workshop information and information on our website. Workshops were hands-on and allowed for people to have public, to allow the public to have interaction with staff and the consultants. And this is kind of what we had at the workshops. We had our maps, we had photos, and some of the concerns and objectives that we received from the groups.
Slide 4 here is our site visit. And the site visit was real important for these participants to see The three parcels, because the three parcels are actually really small. Again they're 10 acres, lot 17 is 6.81 acres, 20 is 1.6 acres and 21 is 1.73 acres. So this allowed them to see the boundaries and how it abuts up to the San Marcos Preserve. They also got to see the topography, because it's not all flat and smooth. There are some hilly areas and some areas that will not be able to be developed part of our plan.
And from all these workshops we incorporated the information from the surveys, the site visits, online comments, data received from the workshop to put together this master plan. And the master plan was also taken to our park commission. It was taken to two meetings, one in December and one in January of 2018. And they unanimously approved the master plan to come forward to the board for approval.
I'm now going to turn over the next few slides to Principal Landscape Architect Lori Romano of Arcadia Studios. And Lori is sitting here.
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Good afternoon, Chair Williams and Supervisors. So this is lot 17 which as Brian said is approximately 6.8 acres of sloping topography. We have two, let's see do I just hold on to this? How do I- Two larger, gently sloping areas all connected by a steeply sloping connection which only can at this point tolerate this existing access road. There's a trail easement down at the south end that connects Lot 17 to Lot 21, and you'll see that on the other slides. And then there is the connection to the preserve over on the eastern end.
The main feature of this park will be a looping trail system with distant markers. So looping trail system with distant markers to help users know the distance that they want to travel and how they want to work within the park. We have provided vistas and overlooks, and different seating areas along these trails. And we'll have natural benches such as stone and logs. And then we are also going to plant coast live oaks to provide future shade for these seating areas.
Let's see the maintenance, the existing maintenance path is approximately half a mile long. Let me see if I can get back up here. Yeah, this is approximately a half mile long. And we're using the existing conditions and the existing alignment except for this small area here where we will realign it because currently it goes off our property. Then we'll provide interpretive signage for specific flora and fauna that exist in the preserve and in the foothills.
And they'll be marked along the trails so you can kind of see what you're looking at. And on the overlooks, we'll highlight the geographic city and county unique features of Santa Barbara and Goleta. Okay, and then next slide? I
just want to
reiterate
that blue is existing.
Yeah, so we just want to reiterate that the access path shown in blue is the existing maintenance path For this parcel and for the preserve. Okay, and then here you see the connection through the Soaring Association's land. This is the easement that we are going to connect up to with lot 20. Lot 20 is approximately 1.6 acres of undulating topography. It has views to the city of Santa Barbara, the Channel Islands, UCSB, and the San Ynez Mountains.
Proposed features in this particular parcel would be educational gathering areas, an interpretive trail and an overlook. We also will be having the natural benches and seating areas with planted oaks to provide shading in the future. Also a part of this park, the component would be enhanced habitat plantings that show what the plant communities are for This is a proposal for the foot hills.
Parallel parking will have enhanced paving crossing to alert the public that there's something going on. And then we propose multiple openings Then the final parcel is lot 21. It's about 1.7 acres, it is across the road from lot 20, it's very separated. The land, it's like disturbed land. It's been graded and it sits well below Via Gaytero so there is a definite distinction.
We're proposing a fence dog park for large and small breed dogs. Shaded seating again would be within in the dog park with benches. And then finally we have a looped trail system that would also have some vistas and then some seating areas. We're proposing angled parking and or we'll do parallel parking. And next slide, this is some imagery of what we were thinking about the interpretive trail where we'd have stone logs and then just leave it open for children to come play along. Some of the natural benches would be stone again split logs and then amphitheater seating or seating could be cut out of stone.
Fencing for the dog part would be split rail with welded wire mesh, so it's enclosed and the dogs cannot get out. The fencing along Via Gaetaro would be just split rail fencing. Pathways and or trails It would be a polypave, which is a hardener mainly for areas directly off of lot 17 and accessible areas. The material for the dog park would be this eco-pave, which is basically a gravel type of material. The interpretive signage would be core 10 steel laser cut with distance noted on it. And then the interpretive signage would also be core ten but have the plexiglass and descriptions on it.
And the final slide shows the native grassland, which is part of the park and the preserve. These are the plants of the Riparian Coast live oak woodland and the coastal scrub. And these are some of the plants that we'd be using in the plant material in the park. And that concludes my presentation, okay?
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Supervisor Wolfe.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to thank all of our staff who's sitting there and Arcadia and thank you so much for all the work that you've done. Suzanne Elledge with the outreach, there's been a lot of work on this. I know we're running up against lunch hour, so just to try and keep it brief. This whole project started with Susan Rose when they did the whole development plan.
And we are now working on the park issue, we've got the preserve management plan has been completed and now we have this three parcels totaling 12 acres. and trying to move through getting a plan in place. So this is really the first step in moving this process along, and we couldn't have done it without all the help from the folks in front of us as well as the community because part of the approval of this project was this 10-acre or three parcel park. And the community's been very excited about it. They love the preserve.
We always appreciate the work that our staff does in monitoring the preserve, the maintenance of the preserve. And now we're moving on to this next phase. So aside from the original plan that was developed for that parcel as was stated by Brian, this was also discussed during the Goleta community plan update. And as Brian stated, he read from one of the policies of what were the types of things that people were looking at for those parcels.
In essence some of those have been incorporated in this final plan so I think it's interesting how it all kind of comes full circle. And I think what staff is recommending at this time, is that we carry forward with the Park Commission approval. That we approve this plan and then send it on to planning staff so that they can look at consistency with the original EIR that was done for the entire project and any other consistencies that may be required. So for me, this is something that the community has been involved in. I know we're going to hear from folks from Audubon and maybe some others who may have concerns but from my perspective, this is an excellent plan. It's extremely passive from what could've been there. There were even talks of putting in playgrounds and much more intensive uses.
I think the community really wanted this scaled back. And our staff and Arcadia has done a really good job in getting us to this point, thank you Mr Chair.
Supervisor Hartman?
Thank you Mr. Chair, two questions the first has to do with I believe I read somewhere this is a gateway to the preserve so I just wanted you to expand a bit on what that means how it relates to the preserve and the second question is about the dog park you said that that parcel is quite separated the most mail I've received is about the dog park And so I'd like you to talk a little bit more. It is a fenced dog park, is it separate small and large dogs? Is there a double gate?
Are there standards for dog parks? And how can we assure that people, to the extent possible that people using the dog park then don't take their dogs to roam freely in the other parcels and on the preserve?
Supervisor Harmon through the chair. The first question was about the gateway, which lot 17 already exists and that blue shaded is the existing trail that leads into the preserve which is here. So that lot 17 is actually the gateway to the preserve. That's how people are getting there today. The only change is right here where you see the lighter brown, because right now the blue goes around and we just are putting it, connecting it up top. And they'll just circulate through the preserve. So that's why the gateway to the preserve which people are using today to go hiking and travel through the San Marcos Preserve.
If I might ask a follow-up. So, I assume the gateway you expect more intensive use, you're going to be interpretive materials that teach people more about what they would see in the preserve if they went there? Just conceptually what's the connection?
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I think we'll see more users because we're going to have these other loops within the parcel. So some hikers who are not going to make it to the preserve will enjoy a smaller trail loop system that, say they want to come out and walk for 15 minutes and they can do that in the beginning. They can get on the trail here and also stay within Lot 17 on these loops, as well as sit and have Vista sites of, like Lori said earlier, the islands, the ocean, and the Santa Ana's mountains. But so yeah we think we're going to get some different type of individuals using the trail.
The intensity may increase, but most of the time at this time we usually see three to five cars there on a regular basis. So it is used but it's not very intensely used at this time. Mr
Chair? Supervisor
Wolf. Lori, the next slide I think it's also important to point out that parcel lot 20 is ADA accessible? I'm not sure about lot 21 but isn't that the case?
Yes, that is the case. Lot 20 is lot 21 we can make it accessible With grading, because it sits substantially lower than via Gate Tarot. The way they graded that road in, they left that parcel isolated and just well below but it can be made accessible and if there was to be a dog park on it, it would need to be accessible. And then to further the question of the gateway, technically because it's always been this way, it's always been called a gateway so what we're doing is that we're enhancing The beginning area we can have informative, interpretive signage talking about the flora and the fauna like I was saying. And then teaching them about the preserve.
There are also habitats along in 17 that will replicate in certain areas because we don't have water so it's not like we're doing a lot of changing or using the existing path. Cutting in trails to make the smaller loop system and just being kind of respectful, but enhancing what's already there.
Supervisor Lavenino?
Thank you Mr Chair so funding for all that signage and everything is something we discuss in the future after this goes through planning for consistency.
I believe so, Supervisor Lavinia. But it is part of the CSA 3, so there's funding for it. Okay.
Actually yeah and CSA3 funded everything that you see in front. Awesome
okay question about the dog park again so is that off leash where they would it is? So what's the liability on I mean do we run other dog parks that are off-leash? We do? Yes. So this will just be included in that whole
Thank you There's two little dog parts to separate size of the dog, but this one is just under 14,000 square feet. It is really small and the other one is 6,000 square feet so we have dog parts I know there's concerns about dogs getting off and going into the preserve. We don't want that either, and neither do our rangers, and our rangers are out there enforcing this.
The off leash law that we do currently have. So maybe this is an opportunity, and this is what we heard from the public workshops that they would like to see a dog park. And that dog park has been going on since 2007-14 while they were talking about these other plans. So again in part of our survey, this was number three.
But a dog, as long as they're on leash, can they go into the preserve? Yes. On leash? Okay.
public comment.
Chair Williams and members of the board we have two requests from Lee Moldaver
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Hi, sorry, Lee and I swapped. Chair, members of the board, my name is Jessie Altstadt. I'm a long time Santa Barbara County resident. I came here in 1985. I am a homeowner in the second district. I have a degree in ecology from UCSB and I've been visiting the Santa Barbara Foothills San Marcos Foothills for 15, 20 years now. I'm also here as the co-chair for Santa Barbara Audubon Society's Science and Conservation Committee and actually have three board members with me at the back row. And one of them had to run and move my car because this has gone so long but he's back. So thank you for continuing with this item. We care very much about San Marcos Foothills, it's a place of great beauty.
It's very rare last expanse of land that offers solitude and sweeping views and I often go there for the night sky so There's not big plans for lighting with this park. It's the last remaining open space in the Eastern Goleta Valley urban area, and as such is critical habitat for a wide range of sensitive species including raptors and white-tailed kites that need this open area for their foraging grounds.
Audubon applauds the low impact public improvements such as the interpretive signage and a demonstration garden of native plants. And we have submitted two letters in this process. I have the March 26th letter here and if you haven't read it, you may. It has references in it to some of the things that we are concerned about. We still are not in support of the off-leash dog area next to this environmentally sensitive open space that is the preserve.
We consider park parcels as a gateway to the preserve, they set the stage for permitted uses and accepted behaviors within the preserve. And I feel an Audubon feels that what happens in these parcels will affect what happens in the preserve both from a human aspect and also ecologically. The off leash area would be in our mind A violation of established best management practices for siting dog parks, both in the state and across the nation.
And it would also violate aspects of the Preserve Management Plan in having that type of activity so close to a natural preserve. Conversion to off-leash area would obviously eliminate the existing vegetation even though it's degraded. It's going to eliminate habitat value and become useless foraging habitat. Conversion of the dog park will lead to degradation of habitat value for the preserve as a whole, because raptors can't see lot lines essentially.
And you can just go to Tobano Hollow and Aquanis Meadows for examples of the degradation that happens with dog parks. And as a disclaimer I have two dogs and I walk them on leash in the preserve and other open spaces in the county so The joy of walking with a dog, but also the problems. We have an existing problem of underfunded parks and their maintenance and patrolling as it is. We have existing problems of under enforcement of the leash laws. I believe there's only one ranger who can actually do that, and he can't be every place at once.
And we really feel that an off-leash area next to the preserve is going to increase illegal off-leash use of the preserve which is happening now. It's happening on the preserve and on the private property adjacent to that. And for these reasons, Audubon really thinks that it's risky and reckless to site a dog park even as small as that. It's kind of condoning off-leash dog use in the area of the preserve immediately adjacent to sensitive preserves and it would increase off leash dog area there. And so we're urging you to protect and maintain the open space including appropriate use within the buffer areas which are the park parcels.
And did I go over? Yes. Okay, thank you. I'm sorry. It's okay. Yeah obviously thank you for working to do the good work that you do and read our letter.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the board. I'm Lee Maldiver, the Vice President of the Santa Barbara Audubon Society. I want to thank Supervisor Wolf for meeting with us on this issue and I want to thank Supervisor Williams, Staff Associate Emily. For meeting with us, I want to thank the Parks Department for a huge amount of hard work. When my hair was darker closer to Supervisor Williams back in 1982, I remember when this project first came forward and it was called Royal Gate. And it was one of my friend Bob Coleman's weights that he had to bear.
I also want to thank Suzanne Elling and Associates, she always does a great job. The public outreach was stellar and I really appreciate the design renderings which are very inspiring. I'd like to look at three particular things. Number one, When it's stated, and this is correct that the dog park in terms of those who responded in the survey finished number three.
It's not reported that items four five and six among user preferences were only 3 to 5 percentage points behind the dog park. And most of those did not have the potential adverse impacts. Number two when they showed The list photographically here of the concerns expressed by the people at the meeting. When you read your staff report, what those concerns are not listed. They just show you a visual of a whole thing full of concerns and I think it loops back to this.
I think that Ms. Allstead who just spoke is correct that as amazing work as your parks department does The limits on their staffing and budget to effectively monitor and enforce the resources that you have now is limited. And if it's possible to put the last slide of all the wonderful wildflowers and botanical elements up there, yeah that one. If you would go to one of your existing dog parks like for instance Tabano Hollow I would challenge in an active off-leash dog park, any of those natural resources which are so beautiful and grab our
eyes. Lee just
a moment I want to
make
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Congressman Carbajal fills out his speaker slip if he's here for public comment. Is he here to make a strong stand on a tough issue? I just want to make sure. I figured
I could interrupt you Lee. He's used to speaking in front of an audience about this.
I think he just wanted to be reassured that the first district is still in really good hands. If I could get the last 30 seconds back, what we would recommend absent a Planning Commission review is that the board if you choose to go forward now really tasks planning and development when they do their CEQA consistency To really examine the range of potential impacts, which as good as the process has been over these last several years probably would not meet the level of P&D review. And we would also ask that as an effective way to determine whether these concerns are warranted or Discreet video cameras to get the state of the habitat before the installation of the dog park and possibly for the first three to six months after it's open. So we could see the actual compliance rates with off-leash and on-leash dog areas when the ranger is present, and when they aren't present And we would ask that the board retain the right, maybe with a six month review after the project is done.
That if there are ongoing issues that you would reserve the right to reopen or further restrict hours of operation or areas of operation just in that one area of the off leash dog park. All the other areas of the presented plan were completely supportive so on behalf of our 1200 member families and the South Coast, we thank you for all your work and we wish you well. Thank you.
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Back to the board? I mean, I wanted to just note that Mr. Moldaver's comment kind of gets at the crux of the question. There is this sort Doing this kind of park would attract so many more people that it would decrease the compliance with our leash law on the preserve side. Or whether, as some off-leash advocates would say, it would increase the compliance because folks who want to do off-leash go to this section and I don't know the answer to that.
I don't know if staff has had data from other places. You know, I've been involved in this debate before at Moore Mesa. So do we have any data that can inform us, or is the solution if we really want to weigh that to instill a motion camera somewhere along the trail so that we can monitor it in the way that Mr. Moldaver's talking about?
Chair Williams, we do not have any data on having an existing park next to a trail going into preserve. But I can look into some of our enforcement that we've done. We do log our enforcements for off-leash and other illegal activities that we enforce through the municipal for the county code but We'd have to really look to see if there's any other particular places similar to ours and see what data they may or may not have. But we can get back to you on that.
Supervisor
Wolf. Chair Williams, if I could also add as Director of Parks Recreation Marine in Long Beach for five years we had seven dog parks a beach park as well and pretty much folks stayed within the dog parks. We didn't have any off-leash issues outside of that once we installed the dog parks. We did have that before the installation of dog parks so it is an area that they do use Pretty much comply.
The only issues that we've ever had over there when I was there in the five years were just a few big dogs biting smaller dogs, but those were just internal issues in the dog park. Thank you for that. Supervisor
Wolf?
Yeah, thank you Supervisor Williams and for that last comment I certainly respect the concerns that are expressed but it does seem that we do have issues right now in the preserve with unleashed dogs. I think when you develop a dog park It's really significant to the public that there is absolutely a place for unleashed dogs and a place where they are supposed to have the leashed dogs. And I think that distinction is really important, and again our rangers out there have been have been monitoring it really closely and there's a sensitivity to the environment. When we had calls about electronic airplanes that were flying, we had park staff and even the sheriff's department went out there and enforced the rules that we have so there is definitely a sensibility There's just a few outliers, but I think just in general people who live around San Marcos and Just to the general community.
Absolutely you know there is a sense of place there and it's it is very special and And again, I just go back to the fact that this has gone through not just the review that we've seen with us But through the Goleta community plan and also the original planning of this process so And now we're going to go forward and have additional staff look at this. So with that, Mr. Chair I'm going to move staff's recommendation.
There is a motion. Is there a second? There is a second. Comment on the motion? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you. We will take a closed session break. How long is closed session expected to be?
And Chair Williams and Supervisors, I estimate the board will be back by 2.30, a little bit over an hour. You have three items today. The first existing litigation Young versus County of Santa Barbara. The second conference with real property negotiators concerning property at 303 South C Street. And then consideration of public employee appointment for child support services director. Again my estimate is a little bit over one hour so back at two thirty.
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Chair Williams and supervisors, today the board considered three matters in closed session. One existing litigation, Young versus County of Santa Barbara. One conference with real property negotiators for property at 303 South C Street in Lumpoc. And public employee appointment concerning child support services director. There are no reportable actions.
Thank you and we will take our last item of the day. D4?
Pace. Chair Williams, members of the board. Item number four is from Community Services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the California Statewide Communities Development Authority report about the program including the extent of the area proposed being included within the program, the terms and conditions of a draft contract between CSCDA and owners of commercial property participating in the program, the proposed financial provisions. And consider the adoption of a resolution consenting to the implementation of the program to make voluntary contractual assessment financing available. To owners of commercial property within the unincorporated area of Santa Barbara County, and you'll recall we also continued or trailed rather item A2 from this morning's administrative agenda to be considered concurrently with this item.
Please proceed. Good afternoon, Chairman Williams and board members. What I'd like to do is turn this over to Ashley Watkins. Ashley's one of our leads for the sustainability division and Ashley has been working on this issue as well as ECAP and some of the other sustainability issues so Ashley go ahead.
Good afternoon, Chair Williams, members of the board. Today's item brings before you the option to move forward with a commercial property assessed clean energy financing program also known as Commercial PACE. As you may recall, PACE programs allow property owners to finance the cost of making energy efficiency, water efficiency and renewable energy efficiency improvements through an assessment on their property.
The board may remember that they took action on October 18th, 2016 and directed staff to move forward with implementation of a third party administration model for commercial pace. And selected the California Statewide Communities Development Authorities Open Pace Program also known as CSCDA Open Pace. Subsequently, on March 13th 2018 and in accordance with the statute that enables PACE, the board adopted a resolution declaring the county's intention to make commercial PACE financing available to commercial property owners and set today's hearing to allow for public comment on the proposed program.
Today, staff recommends that the board adopt a resolution consenting to the implementation of the CSCDA Open PACE program. Approve and authorize the chair to execute the CSCDA agreement and determine that the above recommended actions are CEQA exempt. Regarding the first recommended action I'd like the board to note that the resolution includes an attachment The CSCDA program report dated December 4th, 2014.
Her staff's memorandum dated March 21st. The program report was updated on March 15th 2018 after we docketed this item. The changes were mostly administrative in nature But as a result, the board's action when adopting the resolution should include a reference to the updated CSD program report which we've provided to the clerk of the board. I'm available to answer any questions the board may have and Jeremy Hutman from Renew Financial who is one of the PACE administrators operating under the CSCDA Open PACE Program is also available in here to answer questions that the board might have.
Questions from the board? Supervisor Adam.
Thank you. My only concern is that this just to make absolutely doubly sure, this doesn't do what residential does where FHA will not underwrite loans in the entire zip code That's what residential happens in, right?
Chair and Supervisor Adam, that's correct. The FHFA put out a series of circulars beginning a couple years ago on PACE Residential and it is very limited to residential not commercial. Okay good deal
thank you.
One request to speak.
Chair Williams members of the board we have two requests today Jeremy Jerry.
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Good afternoon, Honorable Board of Supervisors. Ashley basically did the introduction for me. I'm Jeremy Hutman with Renew Financial. We're one of the administrators of the Open PACE programs and I'm available to answer any questions you have about PACE whether it's commercial or residential. And we currently offer PACE to about 90% of the state and 90% of Californians. And we're really excited to be able to offer PACE as an option to your business owners. Thank you very much.
Supervisor Wolfe does have a question, so-
Sorry, just so I really understand this. So you are a participant within CSCDA and you are one of the providers that offers these
services? You've been approved by CSCDA?
That's correct. The program that we administer is called California First, and we're one of the five PACE programs that are part of the Open PACE umbrella. And so our program, we were actually the first of the five, and we've been up and running in this state since our commercial program back in 2012 and our residential program since 2014.
So you've been approved? You've gone through the whole process, you and the five?
Yeah and the four others. We've all been vetted by CSCDA to make sure that we meet the highest standards of operations.
Right, good well thank you for being here.
Absolutely thanks for having us.
Mike Hackett?
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and members of the board. My name is Mike Hackett with Energy Answers LLC. We're a clean energy finance consulting company. I'm here to speak in support of the PACE program. As you know, the board has approved a commercial only approach to PACE. Approach with the city of Santa Barbara as well as the city of Lompoc that have approved both residential and non-residential.
I want to thank your staff in community services, Miss Watkins and her colleagues. They've done a great job of moving this forward. Thank Mr. Filotti also who's back here. Getting the agreements moved forward as well so we can be here today. I think it's important for property owners and they're like, I think the staff report from a year or better ago was there 9000 commercial property owners are commercially zoned properties here in the unincorporated area that could have access to to pace, including a number of people in the ag community. I know Andy Caldwell talked about problems with coolers and operations, ag-type operations, wineries.
Those folks as property owners would have another option. On the residential side, I'm hoping that the county will revisit that at some point hopefully in the not too distant future. Perhaps extending the PACE option there. One of the things that PACE does also in terms of the services or equipment that can qualify for it is seismic strengthening. There's a $10 million project up in the Bay Area right now for a hospital that's using PACE. PACE is a $500 million plus worth of projects on the non-residential side, there's one and a half billion dollars nationwide that's been done on the residential side. So I think it's important to look at these kind of keep the big picture in mind here, there are perhaps people over in Montecito who were devastated by what happened over there.
They have some value with the ground that they own that might well be able to be factored in here in terms of rebuilding process. It would probably require some legislative action to make sure and expand a B 8 11 to incorporate That concludes public comment to the board.
Supervisor Wolf.
Thank you Mr. Chair, I just want to start off by stating that I support staff's recommendation I looked through the contract and that's why I was asking a little bit about the financial entities that have already been vetted by CSCDA. So, that along with a lot of other protections gives me a lot of security as we move forward with this. I also found it interesting to see that there is that structural component for earthquake retrofits.
Water saving programs, not just energy efficiency. So there's a lot of really great things that are in here that hopefully our commercial folks will take advantage of. I know that also CSCDA has been sponsored by or approved by the League of Cities and the counties and used by so many different entities. And our county council has worked on the agreement, is that correct?
So in so many ways I'm really excited that we're finally moving forward with this. And we can talk as we move through this but I think that it might be time for us to start looking at residential pace as well. We know that it is happening and At least we've got this moving forward and I'm in full support of it, and I'm really glad we can get this off the ground. And also, I didn't thank staff. Thank you for pulling all of this together. I know it was a long haul but we're finally there at least on commercial. Thank you Mr Chair.
Would you like to move staff recommendation?
I would, thank you.
Is there a second? All those in favor please say aye. Opposed? It's unanimous. Now, I do want to bring up or at least chime in based on what has been mentioned by Mr. Hackett and Ms. Wolfe This kind of does beg the question of why we don't offer residential. I know there's dire predictions of doom and gloom when it initially came about, and as far as I can tell Two things have happened, number one the sky hasn't fallen and then number two there's significant consumer protections that have been put in place.
I also think that our area because we tend to be a place where people, the value of their homes is much larger than actually the value of their incomes. We would disproportionately benefit from having residential pace because people don't necessarily have the capital to invest in some of these cost savings in other ways. And so I wonder if it's not time to ask staff to bring back to us the discussion of residential pace. Supervisor Hartman?
I know I share with you a great interest in renewable energy policy and furthering that here in Santa Barbara County. However, I think there are enough questions with residential pace on the predatory lending that has characterized it as well as When people finance their homes, there's higher penalties that are associated with that. And we have new state laws that haven't yet fully taken effect. I think AB 1284 SB 242, we want to see what those fixes look like.
And in addition, we've got case studies with Lompoc and Santa Barbara. So we could see just I'm not against it forever but I'd like to see before we invest any more time in studying it or looking at it just let it play out a little while longer.
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Supervisor Wolf?
So question to staff, because what Supervisor Hartman said I know is a concern about predatory lending. But one of the things that seems to be with this new PACE program is the JPA of CSCDA where there are those five vetted, I want to say financial institutions but We can hear from someone. So my level of confidence is a little bit greater, and I also appreciate Supervisor Hartman bringing up those two bills. I don't know what they are so we should certainly look at that but I feel like why wouldn't we go, unless I'm off. Sir maybe can I ask Mr. Chair for this gentleman to come up and speak to that issue of what CSCDA does as a protection for homeowners and to the county?
Sure, so I should just say in general the new legislation that has come out. There's actually three pieces of legislation that go all the way back to 2016 and almost all of it is already in place. So there's actually a large track record out there for AB 2693 which went into place January 1st of 2017 created mortgage level disclosures for property owners. So to address Supervisor Hartman's concerns about the predatory lending, this is something that has been out and available in the community. We've been doing it actually since before 2017 where property owners get full disclosure up front and SB 242, which went into effect on January 1st of this year actually creates even stricter consumer protections along the lines of disclosures where a property owner not only gets the written disclosures that are similar to what a property owner would get for mortgages.
They also have to talk directly to our customer service rep with our financing company to go through the terms of the written disclosures. So the disclosure process for PACE is actually stronger than the mortgage industry. That's the legislation that creates one ability to pay underwriting guidelines which go into place actually April 1st. So that's already in place as well and then the next step is regulation under the Department of Business Oversight and Is bringing the pace industry up to a level that CSCDA has basically been holding the PACE programs at for awhile. And that's what CSCDA has done is essentially created best practices with all their PACE companies and the legislation that's in place now sets, or basically makes it law that all of the PACE providers have to operate at the highest level of consumer protections for basically for all property owners.
Chair Williams, if I could in response to Supervisor Hartman's comments. There has been some new legislation and it's been in response to some of the issues that she mentioned. My understanding is that the Department of Business Oversight which has now been tasked with overseeing the PACE providers is still in the process These legislative fixes and that they won't be fully implemented until January 2019.
Is that the SB 242 or the AAB 1284 requirements?
I believe they're mostly related to SB 242, but there may be some pieces of 1284. I think 1284 its main purpose was to charge the Department of Business Oversight with licensing PACE providers which I believe has happened for most PACE providers.
Well, I just
think it'd be worthwhile use of half an hour for you to update us on what the state is. Part of me would be fine with waiting a little while to see how it plays out but here's the one bit of urgency. In the foreseeable future, we will hit the net metering cap for one utility or the other. And so the finances once you hit the net metering cap for homeowners will not be as advantageous and it's so The longer we wait, in some ways the less advantageous it will be for homeowners. And so I do think there's some urgency to at least look at this at some point in the near future. Supervisor Lavagnino?
Thank you Mr Chair and I have a question. I think we're taking a pretty bold step today in improving commercial pace. And, uh, I think we already heard this. I wasn't actually prepared to discuss residential pace today. That's
because it was an agenda.
Right, exactly. So, um, I'm not...I mean, we always can give direction to staff but At this point, last I saw Mr. Filotti wasn't on board and if that changes, I think he'll let us know but I'm really not interested in sending staff off on something that we don't have the auditor controller sign off on. And personally if it comes to us sometime in the future, I know how these legislative fixes go, and you've got to.
And Supervisor Williams, you know this. You have to see what the implementation is. And the reason why we had to have new legislation is because the old legislation didn't do what we thought it was going to do. So we've gotta see how some of these play out. We've got some locals that are willing to jump in and we can always take a look at their track record.
If what you pointed out is it's a little scary If you know we have to do something immediately or the scope is going to change. Well these are 30 year, 10-15 year projects that folks are putting on their property tax bill so I don't see super urgent need to do anything today or this next week. Let's just play it out, we did something huge today let's see how many people take advantage of this and you know I'm not for directing staff to go deal with something else right now we got plenty of other things to do and I think maybe in ledge committee is where we can address this and we can with Dennis kind of take a look at what these new fixes are kind of balance it out and try to figure out where we're gonna go from there Supervisor Hartman.
I just wanted to add that the Sustainability Office and CSD staff are working hard on a number of renewable energy initiatives, and they have much higher priority than this for me.
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Supervisor Wolf.
Well, I guess I would agree with Supervisor Williams. I would like staff to come back and just give us an update on the options for residential PACE. You certainly have some local jurisdictions who've done it, let us know what Especially when we have, I don't know and I would like to know this but we have a lot of people right now who are probably thinking of rebuilding and going through that process.
And if there are options for them looking at residential PACE and again I don't even know if that's possible for a rebuild. But why wouldn't we look at this? And I don't know how Supervisor Williams or any, I don't know who else has solar on their house but when we went through it, so three of us do. I went through the Solarize program with CEC and having Them walk us through the process made it very easy, and we understood what we were getting into and how much money we had to put up upfront. And also knowing how to monitor our usage.
It's not that complex from a homeowner's standpoint if it's complex and too onerous for the county to get into this. Then let us know, but we're doing it for commercial. Why wouldn't we do it for residential? So I think we've taken the first step. I'm not saying come back in a month, but I definitely think we should come back at some point. Hopefully while I'm still here, but if I'm not here it doesn't matter. I just hope it comes back because I think our community needs another option. I think people need another financing option and if we have a program this is what we've always been talking about. We've got CSCDA that I believe is very reputable and responsible so that's why I think we should look at it.
Supervisor Adam.
Well, I was going to pass on the opportunity to opine on this today but since it seems that we have a 2-2, I'll got to be the tiebreaker.
I think which we all know what side of the tiebreaker you want to be. Yeah, you don't need three to ask for something to come back to the board. You need two.
Well then you have enough because I'm with Supervisors Lavanino and Hartman so there you go.
Well, I guess I would just propose then maybe a little bit longer than I was looking at. Would it be agreeable to bring it back in say six months so we can at least see how the implementation of the city program is going? That's gonna be one of the larger ones and that will inform us substantially. We just approved the city
program a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it would have been helpful and I don't know how we would have done this with the Brown Act but I'm totally not prepared to eat. I haven't done zero homework on residential PACE, zero. That's not what was on the agenda today so- We're just asking for a follow up. So you don't need my permission to have a followup.
All right. So I'll just with Mr. Williams ask staff to bring the options of residential pace back in six months?
And Chair Williams and Supervisors. I think at that point we might be better informed also as recently as December 2017, Federal Housing Administration renewed its no purchase rule on properties encumbered with PACE but it's something that changes and we can certainly keep an eye on that. That'll be part of the package that comes back. Okay.
And part of that maybe not just CSD but I would also like Auditor-Controller Filotti's weight on that as well?
Okay, that's as close as we're coming to an agreement today.
I was just wondering do we need to go back to the other item and approve that?
Yeah, we need
a motion
on A2 that we trailed earlier.
So it's already been read so I'll make a motion that we approve Item A2 in admin agenda.
I
will second that.
There is a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? It's unanimous. Thank you so much. We'll adjourn this meeting to next week in Santa Maria