Board of Supervisors — 2018-05-08

I'd like to call this meeting to order.

Please call the roll.

Mr. Adam? I am here. Mr. Lavinino?

Here as well.

Can I get a motion on the minutes of the first? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? CEO's report.

Good morning Chair Williams and board members I have two quick announcements the first is just recognizing that this week May 6th through 12th is Public Service Recognition Week celebrated annually to honor men and women who serve the nation as federal state county and local government employees. Not just this week, but every day we applaud our employees for their efforts and extend our gratitude in their commitment to serving Santa Barbara County.

I think following the Thomas fire and debris flow employees stepped up and stepped in only not just as first responders but behind the scenes many of our employees are not front and center. And this is a week to express our gratitude and for employees to remind themselves of why they became public servants in the first place. And their dedication to serving our residents. So that is this week, I thank all our employees in Santa Barbara County and all the public servants throughout the county.

The second is our green business. Green Business Santa Barbara County recertified the Public Works Santa Maria Service Center and recognized it as an early leader in green buildings in the county. Recertification focused on additional water conservation efforts, for example. Drip irrigation system maintenance and low flow water aerators which were in addition to other requirements already in place. So today we have Frances Gilliland, the Executive Director of the Green Business Program and I've asked her to just say a few words and present our award.

Okay, thank you Chair Williams, members of the board. Thank you for having me here today. My name's Frances Gilliland. I'm the program director of the Green Business Program of Santa Barbara County. Our program is a multi-jurisdictional partnership made up of over two dozen local governmental agencies. We're also part of a larger network of green business programs throughout the state of California called the California Green Business Program Network.

We launched our program here in Santa Barbara County in 2008 with a great deal of support from the county, your board and particularly from County Public Works Department both Resource Recovery Waste Management Division and the Water Agency. Since we launched our program, we have worked with well over 100 amazing local businesses. We really have a great business community in this county.

The Green Business Program works with local businesses to help them meet statewide standards in the areas of recycling, waste minimization, purchasing water and energy conservation, pollution prevention and ride sharing. Certification is good for three years after which time we recertify a business. We go back and we check in with them and make sure that they're maintaining those original standards and hopefully are doing even more in the areas that I mentioned.

Currently we've certified two county buildings, both housing public works divisions. First was the Naomi Schwartz building in Santa Barbara and then also the North County Public Works Service Center offices on Foster Road here in Santa Maria I'd like to thank your board again for your support. At the Green Business Program, we look forward to working with even more county departments and certifying more county divisions or buildings. We are working with your sustainability division to do just that.

But what I'm here for today is to recognize the recertification of the North County Public Works Service Center on Foster Road. That means they were originally certified three years ago, and they earned recertification by showing that they maintain those standards and did even more. And I would particularly like to thank the work of Kalani Durham and John Karametzos for getting that location through our recertification process.

So Scott, did you want?

And as Francis presents the certification to Kaylani and John Karamitsos, we're extremely proud in Public Works to be the two buildings that are certified as the Green Business Program. Kaylani and John are two of our three outstanding employees that work with this program. Alan Nakashima unfortunately couldn't make it this morning. And they go out and do these certifications of private businesses so we encourage other departments to participate as well and we're here to help. So thank you so much for the recognition.

We'll take the ceremonial items before the pulled items. So let's start with A15.

Chair Williams and members of the board, if we could get a motion to approve items A15 through A18? So moved.

Second.

Motion on the ceremonial items all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Anonymous? A15.

Okay, we have four resolutions to present this morning. We're going to start with item A15, this is sponsored by Supervisor Williams. This is a resolution proclaiming the month of May 2018 as Water Awareness Month in Santa Barbara County and Brenton Kelly is here.

He's here, he's coming up to

the mic. Come on up to the podium. And I will- Tallest man

in Kuyama, so he's hard to-

Yes. I will read the resolution into the record. Whereas while water is California's most precious resource and our quality of life and economic well being depend on its efficient and prudent management of water resources. And whereas on May 9th 2016 the Governor of California signed Executive Order B3716. Making water conservation a California way of life, bolstering California's drought resilience and preparedness by establishing longer term water conservation measures. And whereas the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors declared a drought emergency on January 21, 2014 with continued proclamations monthly ever since that time. And while the February 2017 rainfall triggered much needed inflow into Kachuma Reservoir, the increase in storage does not alleviate our water supply concerns and should not be considered drought ending.

And whereas despite receiving above average rainfall last winter, current winter rainfall amounts are 51% of normal and continued diligence of our water supplies remains a priority following the driest five years on record in Santa Barbara County. Whereas the Santa Barbara County Public Works Department is working cooperatively to conserve and protect our valuable water resources with water purveyors throughout the county and to facilitate in securing additional long-term supplies. And whereas this cooperative effort was established decades ago because the efficient use of our local water resource is always a priority, not just in times of drought.

Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this county board of supervisors state of California proclaims May 2018 as Water Awareness Month in Santa Barbara County and urges all residents to learn more about their precious water resources and the importance of wise water use And in joining support local water agencies and organizations in their effort to be Water Wise in Santa Barbara County, passed and adopted today.

Thank you very much. I want to start by thanking this board and these public officials for The seats you hold and the job you take on delicately balancing those property rights, individual rights with those collective natural resource rights that we as the public have entrusted To use your pen to somehow draw that line between those distinctive jurisdictions. And I know that we have a lot of representative, a lot of speaking comes up here in favor of those property rights and business interests and resource management decisions that are in your hands. And there's fewer and fewer that are speaking up for Cottonwoods and groundwater dependent ecosystems, and the water that we all hold in commons. And as a value that we must have some left over to return to our children when we're done with it.

Give you a little bit of a happy story. Out at Quail Springs about 15 years ago, about 450 acres of dry venticopa badlands was purchased at under $1,000 an acre because of a dying drying spring. And today that water is flowing at 50 or more gallons per minute even in the August afternoon 10 years through drought and the difference is about resource management.

And the concept that we can manage our resources from a perspective of abundance, instead of from a perspective of scarcity. I encourage you as public agents to consider that and also for those of us voters and entrusting the public policy to recognize that there are distinctions between some Assets and resources that require a certain amount of management above the private sector and the individual interests. So thank you very much.

A16?

Chair Williams, members of the board. Item A16 is sponsored by Supervisor Wolfe. This is a resolution proclaiming the month of May 2018 as National Foster Care Month in Santa Barbara County and here to receive this resolution today is the Scott family. If you guys would all come on up. And I'll read the resolution into the record. Whereas any given day in Santa Barbara County, there are approximately 350 children and youth in foster care who are separated from their families through no fault of their own.

These kids need love support and guidance so they can thrive and develop to their best potential. And whereas every child deserves to belong to a family that's compassionate and committed to meet the increasingly complex behavioral and emotional needs that children and youth in foster care present within today's society. And whereas transition age youth in foster care require mentors, and other caring adults that are ready to provide loving guidance and moral support so that youth may navigate the many challenges of early childhood, early adulthood, and become self-sufficient successful adults.

And whereas, children and youth in foster care need heroes who will come forward and become a member of a supportive team that works to provide children and youth safe and nurturing family environments that provide a sense of belonging and lifelong connection. And whereas through the ongoing and steadfast efforts of resource families, mentors, teachers, advocates, social workers, probation officers, and volunteers, children and youth in foster care are able to have a caring network of adults that can support a child's journey toward healing And ensure a child or youth does not feel alone or isolated while facing life's challenges. Now, therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes May 2018 as National Foster Care Month in recognition of the value of family resource families in providing children and youth in our county hope safety and the opportunity to heal pass and adopted today

Thank you. Good morning, board. I'm Amy Krueger, Deputy Director of Social Services. This month we're here to honor the Scott family. The Scotts became an approved resource family in October of 2015 and since that time they have already cared for 14 children in their home, one of which they have adopted. The Scots also have three biological children of their own, including one Noah who tragically passed away from cancer last year.

Noah felt a very deep passion about children in foster care which inspired them to establish Team Noah. They established a Facebook page originally to share information about his condition and treatment. And it garnered great support from the community, eventually growing to over 7,000 members. Shortly afterwards they formalized the non-profit Team Noah with a mission to not only treat children to special activities but to show them a caring experience and give them normal childhood memories.

Since becoming a non-profit, the Scots and Team Noah have coordinating multiple fundraising events including golf tournaments and baseball tournaments. And the proceeds of these events have allowed them to continue their work with foster children. Last year in November they led the first annual Disney expedition which took 11 children in foster care to Disneyland with their caregivers. And in addition they are also providing scholarships to graduating seniors in Noah's name.

So the Scott family is an amazing family and truly a hero, the type of family that we are so honored to have working with us in providing care for children in foster care. We wish we could replicate them. So with that I'd like to introduce Mr. Scott and he'd like to say just a couple words.

Thank you, my name is Charles Scott and this is my amazing family. This is my wife Kristen, Jordan, Zachary and little Sophia who's the princess in the family. She was adopted a year-and-a-half ago and little Asher who will be adopted in about two months it'll be finalized so he's a miracle baby. He was born in an alley unassisted in an alley, and we got him when he was two days old. So he's really been a lifesaver for our family after losing Noah. We're so grateful for this honor.

There are a lot of families like ours who value these kids, so we stand in place of all those families We just feel a calling that these kids are truly our next resource and they deserve to live in a home where they have every opportunity to thrive. It's not their fault, they find themselves in these conditions and they deserve to be loved. They deserve to be normal and we're grateful that God called us to do it.

Losing Noah was hard. We got a lot of criticism from our family for bringing kids in while Noah was sick. So we asked Noah if he wanted us to take a break, and he said no. He said that's what he looks forward to so that's what our family is going to do is continue to love on these broken kids and try to make them as whole as they can be because they deserve it. They deserve it On behalf of my family and every foster family in the county, we appreciate this. Thank you.

Daniel, don't go anywhere. I just want to say for my part that you've cut me to the heart and my hope is that your message also cuts someone else out there that's watching or witnessing to the heart because you exemplify, your family exemplifies to me what heroism is and that love is not finite. And to the two older brothers, The heroes, because you have obviously are supporting your parents through all of this and also playing a role with your younger siblings. So you're my heroes too.

And Daniel if someone is cut to the heart who do they contact? Go to the mic if you can. Because we do have a shortage of foster parents, resource parents in this county. So if someone is convicted out there to be interested they come to you right?

They come to us at the Department of Social Services, Our County Our Kids. We have our website up and our 800 number is on the website as well and I don't have it in front of me, I'm sorry but ourcountyourkids.org yeah.

Thank you so much for your work. A17.

Chair Williams and members of the board, item A-17 is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. This is a resolution proclaiming the month of May 2018 as Older Americans Month in Santa Barbara County. And Joyce Ellen Lipman is here from Central Coast Commission for Senior Citizens and she'll come on up. I'll go ahead and read the resolution into the record. Whereas, the County of Santa Barbara includes countless older Americans who enrich and strengthen our community.

And the County of Santa Barbara's departments and commissions are committed to engaging in supporting older adults, their families, and caregivers. And whereas, the County of Santa Barbara engages with many local organizations both non-profit and profit to address the needs of older adults, their families, and caregivers. And whereas we acknowledge the importance of taking part in activities that promote physical, mental and emotional well-being no matter your age.

And whereas the 2018 theme for Older Americans Month is Engage at Every Age which emphasizes that you are never too old or too young to take part in activities that can enrich your physical, mental and emotional well being. Whereas the County of Santa Barbara can enrich the lives of individuals of every age by promoting home and community-based services that support independent living involving older adults in the community, planning events and other activities, and promoting opportunities for older adults to work, volunteer, learn, lead, and mentor.

And whereas the County of Santa Barbara joins with the Central Coast Commission for Senior Citizens to celebrate Older Americans Month by recognizing outstanding individuals and organizations on Wednesday, May 30th at a celebration tea at the Sanchez Valley Marriott. Now therefore it is hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of the County of Santa Barbara do hereby proclaim May 2018 to be Older Americans Month. We urge every resident to take time during this month to recognize older adults and people who serve them as a vital part of our community, past and adopted today.

Thank you very kindly, Chair Williams and members of the Board of Supervisors. Just glad to be here and to call your attention to the fact that it is Older Americans Month. We have two exciting events coming up this month, and there are many others going on throughout the county and the country. The first is Monday, the day after Mother's Day we're having our 29th, 30th annual Elder Abuse Prevention Month.

Conference in Santa Barbara and it'll be excellent this year. And anyone on your staffs and members would like to attend, please point on it. You can register at our website which is centralcoastseniors.org. We're also as the proclamation indicated going to have a celebration tea. This year we had 20 nominations for the various award coming. Categories, Senior Citizen of the Year, Senior Citizen Program of the Year, Intergenerational Effort of the year and a few other award categories that we'll be proud to celebrate the nominees as well as the winners of each of those awards.

And I just want to take a moment to reflect on all of your county staff. Who do exemplary work trying to safeguard our seniors from abuse and neglect. And the work of the community as we see through the Elder and Dependent Adults Abuse Prevention Council of Santa Barbara County, a great deal of activism and advocacy to try and ensure the safety of all of our dependent adults and senior citizens. So thank you for the proclamation and have a great day.

Item A18. Chair Williams, members of the board, item A18 also sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. This is a resolution of commendation honoring the reinstallation of the sculpture La Fleur de Bonaire by William Shin at the Santa Maria Sustainable Garden and we have Mrs. Jean Shin is here. And Jean if you can come on up and bring your family if you'd like? And we have John Hood is here from- My daughter! Okay.

John Hood why don't you come on up from Department of Fine Art, Allan Hancock College. And Hannah Rublikava and members of the Arts Commission. You guys would like to?

Yes.

And just so everybody knows our Arts Commission Director Sarah is at the podium in Santa Barbara. So we have a large crew and I will go ahead and read the resolution into the record. And I just want to note that at the conclusion of this we do have a few slides that show the piece both before and after the conservation effort. Whereas, the arts provide enjoyment and instruction while serving the dual purpose of holding a mirror to society and a shining light towards cultural advancement.

And whereas the county actively supports the arts through the Arts Commission and public art installations at county facilities including the major piece La Fleur de Bonaire which is The Flower of Happiness at the Santa Maria Valley Sustainable Garden at the Foster Road Campus in Santa Maria. And whereas William Bilshin, a noted ceramic artist of international acclaim, graciously donated Le Fleur de Bonaire to the county for placement in the garden in 1997.

And whereas the Allan Hancock College Department of Fine Arts has masterfully restored the piece to museum quality ensuring its preservation for the benefit of future generations. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognize William Bill Shinn for his donation of Le Fleur de Bonaire at the Santa Maria Valley Sustainable Garden, and the Allan Hancock College Department of Fine Arts for their conservation efforts. Passing adopted today by the Board of Supervisors.

Do you want to sing?

This is your soapbox.

Thank you for having me, it's an honor. And

Jean, would you like us to show the slides real

quick? Yes, please do. I can comment on them too. There he is. It's a huge piece. And he made them in pieces and then put them together. And please, everyone go to see the sustainable gardens. You talked about water. These sustainable gardens that grow things save water and put them in your yard. There it is, dilapidated. And Mike McNutt from Hancock College repaired it all so it will be up and go over and see it that was all the pieces The grounding came away and these are some of his other pieces. He was a Hancock teacher, ceramic teacher and art teacher and he made many things. These are all made from the extruder and I'm not going to explain

it's

too hard but there he is. And this is when he was young, he had a mustache like yours. These are all his big pieces. I married my teacher and I was a ceramist also and I made the small pieces and he made the big pieces so I would put my small pieces in between its big pieces in the kiln. We worked well together. This explains his extruder, the dyes that go into an extruder.

He was in the Air Force. He's a jet pilot and that's his piece And I wanted to thank John Kermitus and John Hood for all the work they've done. I didn't do anything. And I wanted to tell everyone, after you go see the sustainable gardens, smell the roses please.

We have an item pulled by the public, A6. And we have an item pulled by Supervisor Adam, A7. Are there any other items that need to be pulled? Supervisor Wolk?

Thank you Mr. Chair. I was going to pull A7 but I think the clerk is going to clarify something on that. Yep. Okay thank you.

By the way good catch on that Supervisor

Wolk. And I was pulling A6 but let's hear from the public first. Day six.

Chair Williams, members of the board. Item A6 is from General Services and this is to consider recommendations regarding the Renewable Energy Systems Proposal from Andalus Energy from Santa Barbara County's Bitter Heavy Campus in Fire Station 12. This is in the second and fifth districts and I have three requests to speak on this item. We're going to start in Santa Barbara with Zach Pettit to be followed by Cameron Gray and then we'll come back to Santa Maria for Andy Caldwell.

Zach Pettit?

And Zach, give me a second first because just in case there's any staff around for any of the other items. Can I get a motion on the balance of the A items? So moved.

Second.

Motion and second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Mr. Bennett.

Cameron go ahead. Hi there. So Zach was actually going to cede his time to me today, but it sounds like that may not be allowed under the rules of order in which case I can keep my comments to three minutes. What is your direction on that? We don't cede time so you have three minutes. Okay. Three minutes, it is. All right so yeah my name is Cameron Gray I'm speaking on behalf of Community Environmental Council and we're here today to share our strong support for the proposed energy and equipment upgrades at the Better Rivia campus in Santa Maria and Fire Station 12 in Goleta County staff have done a really, really phenomenal job of developing and managing the solicitation for this project.

And they have selected a proposal from Endelos Energy that will provide much needed upgrades to aging outdated equipment. All of the proposed projects will allow the county to maximize on-site renewable energy generation and reduce energy demand, which will give the county more independence and freedom from increasingly costly utility services. If low-cost loans and on bill financing are secured, these projects will also deliver a positive cash flow each year beginning in Year 1 providing an estimated savings of more than $9.9 million over the next 25 years.

A couple upgrades that would happen with this project that I want to highlight. One is the combination of solar with on-site battery storage. This will enhance the resiliency of county operations in, in the North County and at Fire Station 12. In the event that grid services in our area were compromised there was a major failure these resiliency measures would keep county facilities up and running so staff can continue to do the community especially in times of need if there were a natural disaster say.

Also, the proposed installation of electrical disconnects at the Better Aviva solar carports will allow up to 10 electric vehicle charging stations to be installed in the future. This is the absolute least cost option for installing new charging stations Because it avoids the need for costly trenching and electrical conduit. I've been in a communication with staff, and it sounds like there is the opportunity to put in more of these electrical disconnects for charging stations.

If you are successful in securing the favorable financing and low cost loans we would encourage county staff to just look at that option of maybe putting in more than 10 of these electrical disconnects So that future demand for EV charging can be met. And on that note, we have a survey that we have shared with county staff to evaluate the demand for charging at workplaces and with your support, we'd like to refine that survey and possibly send it out to county employees so that Public Works has more information about where to target the installation of these charging stations in the future. So I want to thank staff for all their work on this and really appreciate you for considering our comments here today. Thank you.

So is Zach going to speak? Okay, then we're gonna come back to Senator Maria for Andy Caldwell.

Yeah, Zach will not be speaking. He was here to cede time for me. Thanks very much.

Chair Williams, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. This project's a little bit of a potpourri, I guess I would call it. On the one hand we don't consider roof replacements a capital project. We call that maintenance. We're not sure the county should be borrowing money for maintenance items. So I know that you have a big hearing later on today, item number four that has just that.

But they're not the same thing. Building a new building or remodeling a building is one thing but borrowing money there's no such thing as free money. When you borrow money, that interest is a charge that wouldn't be incurred if you'd saved as you were going along. Now with regard to this particular project, as you know I sent an inquiry over the weekend and most of the questions got answered. However, the big question is why wasn't that information in your staff report? I.e., how much is it gonna cost per year, what's the savings per year? What's the life of the project? Solar panels don't last forever and neither do roofs.

And the thing is that somebody should be doing the math in putting these things in the staff report. We have a tendency to think that if it's green then we're gonna do it. Now the other issue is one of the motivations of this is to reduce greenhouse gases. Well, you can buy greenhouse gas reductions from credible companies in the United States and the rest of the world for $2 to $4 a ton.

Not hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars per ton. And the point here is we want you to have a context. So when you're gonna spend this much money, $4-6 million depending on the interest rate, we want you to have a context and a menu of choices. One of the issues with this as well is that 13-17 years is a long time for a potential payback. Especially when systems can fail for various reasons.

And so when you guys make these decisions, we'd like to see all the math shown, options, alternative options shown. I don't look at Goleta as that big of a win corridor for a win project. So I'm having trouble with that one. I'm no scientist, but I'm having trouble with that. I don't know of that being a wind corridor. And the bottom line here is the last thing is they never figure into cost what is the cost of either the subsidies or the loans or the grants because somebody had to pay for that. Government has no money to give away that it didn't first bill somebody else. And we would like to see an honest math on these type projects, thank you.

Any other requests to speak?

No further requests.

I'll just briefly Mr. Adam.

Thank you. I just want to assure the public that as this comes back to the DAC, that it will be reviewed scrupulously. And the work

will be shown. Supervisor Lavanina? Thank you Mr. Chair. Why on Fire Station 12, why aren't we looking at fire dollars out of their maintenance? Their long term CIP list of doing improvements instead of taking it out of another source.

Supervisor through the chair I believe we are looking at fire dollars that they would be supporting the cost of this.

I think that's an excellent suggestion.

Yes, and really from the utility budget that they are currently paying is where this debt will be paid off if you will on that.

Great. The other thing is so looking at the design of this thing and I know we're in preliminary stage but that Better Arabia campus one of the biggest problems is parking and space. Are these, are we going to lose spaces with these carports? No, we're not intending to lose any spaces. And it would be nice, I think if we're doing this in the long run of. I think we need to figure out what we're dealing with this piece of property that's across the street as kind of tying in the whole project of what's the long term intended use? I probably had, I think every single department had come to me and asked me for space across the street. So that would be nice to know as well while we're looking at this.

I guess it's at the DAC and later on we'll figure out what the actual percentage rate will be, correct? Depending on what financing. That's correct, yes. How many, so we sent out a request for proposal. Correct. And how many responses did we get back that we determined were credible? We

had three.

Three good, okay perfect. All right thank you I guess like Supervisor Adams said this is a very preliminary stage and we'll look at the financing and for me that's where it's all at is in the financing and the math so I'll be listening in on those DAC meetings

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I had a couple of general comments first with the green business award that we received today for public works projects. It kind of puts this in the context of our policies. It is consistent with our county policy to move county facilities to zero net energy that was adopted August 30th 2016. And it's also doing more to comply with our energy and climate action plan goals, specifically with our own facilities. I'd like to add that buying credits elsewhere doesn't give us the kind of control we have if we do it here and make sure we do it right.

It's an excellent opportunity to use incentives that are available on bill financing through PG&E and the California Energy Efficiency Financing rebates for battery technology. So I think that we would be remiss if we didn't take advantage of these, I also think the resiliency is absolutely critical especially in the Goleta area. So I would like to make a motion, however I would like to have people come back in two months if that's a reasonable time frame and not leave it just uncertain. And I also have a question Mr. Gray about Whether we have looked to union shop proposals, or whether this is union workers and whether we could at least in the future make that an element of what you report back with.

I don't have the answer to that but we can find out and get that to you.

Great, and do you know anything about the survey that CEC was talking about? A survey of county employees to get a better fix on what the demand would be for charging here onsite.

Yes, the sustainability group is working with that survey and we're working with the general services is working with CSD's sustainability group to evaluate the survey. And decide how best to go about putting electric vehicle charging and how many employees will use it so yes, we're working with them.

And I noticed at the charging facilities in South County that a lot of people come after business hours into the parking lot once it's open and use those chargers. So it's not just for county employees, have you noticed that as well?

Yes, I believe the general public is using those quite a bit.

And another question, assuming that we go forward with these two projects. When would we get more information about other potential projects within the county jurisdiction that are county owned facilities?

We're actually using a similar model, I think going forward to where we're using our utility budget to fund some of these projects. So we're hoping to starting with actually a commissioning audit to look at all of our retro commissioning on it to look at all of our equipment to make sure it's running properly and if it's not What corrections can be made in addition to an energy audit that will also look at the rest of the county and do similar type projects.

Again, if the financing is right, if all the pieces fall together with renewables, with batteries, and efficiently getting our buildings efficient because we've talked about before, we have to have the buildings efficient before we can add the renewables so As Supervisor Adam mentioned, it may make sense. So we're starting out by doing those audits.

And time frame?

Hopefully through the next fiscal year so we're starting probably the commissioning audits by the end of the summer is what we're shooting for right now and then have been talking to other companies and may put an RFP out for some sort of a larger project maybe in the fall

Okay, thank you. When the time is right I'd like to make the motion.

Sure. Supervisor Wolk?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Gray, sorry if you could just come back up. On the fire station there was mention of the windmills and when I looked at this it appears to be that it's photovoltaic and storage only.

Correct. The wind I believe is going to

be on this campus right? Building C not on the fire station.

No,

okay I just wanted to clarify that and Just in general terms Mr.. Gray, and I know miss Pell is out in the audience I wanted to thank you and your department for bringing this To us you know you gave a historical perspective on on this issue in the board letter And this is something that the board has Been moving toward, albeit incrementally and I just want to congratulate you for bringing forward two projects would appear to be exemplary projects. And I'm hopeful that we can see this move forward from DACC and then back to this board. So congratulations to your department. Thank you.

I'll just say, I think that the questions that Mr. Caldwell asked were excellent questions. Some of that kind of information should be in staff reports when possible. I understand you don't want to on an A item spend a huge amount of staff resources at all times but Number one, this payback period is in my view an acceptable payback period. Number two, staff has put a sort of very conservative interest rate in built and that could be even lower because some jurisdictions are getting 0% on bill financing rates so I think that As it goes to the DAC, obviously I think we should be interested in some of those programs.

And I think there's also other benefits, particularly anything in the Goleta area that takes demand off the grid potentially is a benefit to the community and a benefit to us on reliability as we saw in the disaster when we get cut off Everybody fires up a lot of generators and less of that is necessary if we build more stuff close to where there is a grave deficiency of power, which is in the Goleta area.

The other thing I want to go back to Supervisor Lavinino's point about across the street. I do think it would be good to get our head around what that use is, what the timing is for If we don't have a plan to build a building within the next ten years over there. To me, even if we sunk a solar farm out there for 15 years it would be well worth it in terms of power. It has the potential to be producing a lot more power at a lower rate than some of these other projects that we're looking at. Of course, if we have a need.

It'd be good to know what that is and determine what that is in terms of a building. But if we're not, it would be great to use the land for something that would be productive in the meantime.

Mr. Chairman, if I might, a couple things. One with respect to the lot across the street one of the things we will be using it in the interim should this project go forward is for temporary parking as we build the solar panels and the car parks were going to need some place to park employees during construction so it will be leveled and ready for whatever which is kind of cool.

The second point is that we absolutely have done the math. It's just that we don't know the interest rate We will certainly show whatever, we'll show the cash flow and everything. It was difficult because we don't know the interest rate and this project is even feasible if the interest rate is too high so we will do our due diligence and make sure the numbers make sense. And Supervisor Adam will be there at the DAC to keep us honest.

And I just think you guys were responsible by giving a range because, so I think you answered that responsibly. Supervisor Hartman?

I would like to move staff's recommendation but for item B I would like to say instead of returning to the board at a future date within two months to consider approving financing.

I'll second that.