Board of Supervisors — 2018-10-09

Roll call, please.

Mr. Adam? Here. Mr. Lavinino? Here. Ms. Wolfe? Here Ms. Hartman? Here Mr. Williams?

Here

We usually do that in reverse order. That's the explanation for the audience Can I get a motion for the approval of the minutes of October 2nd?

So moved

There's a motion and second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? We have no CEO's report this week, but why don't we take the motion on the resolutions. We have A18, A19, A20 and A21.

I'll move those resolutions. Second?

All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Let's start with one of our favorite subjects, A18.

Chair Williams and members of the board, our first resolution today is sponsored by Supervisor Williams. This is a resolution proclaiming the week of October 7 2018 through October 13 2018 as National Fire Prevention Week in Santa Barbara County and Steve Oaks who's here I think? Steve come on up and I'll read the resolution into the record Or as October 7 through 13 has been declared National Fire Prevention Week, as a time to reflect on our nation's past fire history. Remembering the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 and how a national interest in fire prevention and safety emerged out of a national tragedy. And whereas, in 2018 National Fire Prevention Week theme is look listen learn be aware fire can happen anywhere. Works to educate people about three basic but essential steps that can be taken to reduce the likelihood of having a fire and how to escape safely in the event of a fire including looking for places where a fire can start, listening for the sound of a smoke alarm and learning two ways out of each room.

And whereas Santa Barbara County has particularly been affected by fire, including the Thomas Fire and Holiday Fire among our long history of large and dangerous fires. And we need to keep doing our part to help prevent the likelihood of even more frequent and devastating fires from taking place. And whereas fire is a serious public safety concern both locally and nationally, and homes are the locations where people are at the greatest risk from fire.

And whereas Santa Barbara County residents should identify potential hazards in their homes and move to eliminating these hazards. And whereas the 2018 fire prevention theme, look listen learn be aware fire can happen anywhere effectively serves to remind us that we need to take some personal steps to increase our safety from fire. Now, therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors does proclaim the week of October 7 through 13 as National Fire Prevention Week in Santa Barbara County. And encourages everyone to participate in fire prevention activities at home, work, at school, and all locations making this fire prevention week the beginning of a long lasting effort to improve fire safety passed and adopted today.

Thank you for this resolution. And I just wanted to reiterate some of the things that the theme was look, listen and learn especially to help us identify some of the fire hazards that are out there and you can do that in your own home. To try to identify some of those, and then also listen for your smoke detectors. Test them, make sure that they are functional and to learn two ways out of your home. That great Chicago fire killed 250 people and destroyed over 17,000 structures. So that's one of those things that are an urban conflagration but they're still things we have to be vigilant about today just last year.

At this exact time, in fact the northern California fire storms took 9000 structures and 44 lives. And so our own Thomas Fire a little closer to home consumed about 1000 structures and then the two lives that were lost there including the 23 as the result of debris flow later. So I just want to try Use this opportunity to remind folks to be vigilant and to, and to be careful when dealing with fire. I also want to remind folks a little on a little more happy note that our 28th annual firefighter breakfast It is happening in Buellton at the Albertson Center on Saturday.

And there'll be a static display, there will be firefighters and their equipment talking with the kids. A lot of things to do with the kids and a great breakfast served cooked up and served by your local firefighters so thank you very much.

What time?

That's 8 o'clock, 8 to noon. Thank you.

Item A19.

Chair Williams, members of the board, item A19 is sponsored by Supervisor Adam. This is a resolution proclaiming the month of October 2018 as Arts and Humanities Month in Santa Barbara County. And Hannah Rubicava is here with a few friends. And I'm going to read off some of the names that I have. I don't see Dennis here, but I do see we have Madison Lee, Caitlin Corbo, Melissa Johnson and Karen Rotundi perhaps?

All

right no worries and then I'm gonna go ahead and read the resolution into the record Whereas the month of October is recognized as National Arts and Humanities Month across the nation, as well as by the White House and Congress for 33 years. And whereas the Board of Supervisors formed a County Arts Commission in 1977 to support, foster, and encourage participation in and access to arts and culture for all county residents. And whereas the county acknowledges the vital role of artists, performers, and creators enriching our quality of life while fueling innovation in our local economy. It encourages residents to engage in the tremendous diversity of local arts and culture.

And whereas, the county celebrates student artists, art teachers of all disciplines and arts in the schools recognizing the benefits of arts instruction for the entire community. Whereas this year the county commends two students from Ernest Righetti High School Madison Lee who won first place in the 24th District Congressional Art Competition in May 2018 for her work titled The American Dream which will be displayed at the US Capitol for the next year and Caitlin Corbo who received the People's Choice Award for her painting Sweet Creature And whereas the county praises Ernest Regetti High School art teacher, Melissa Johnson for mentoring and supporting these students in Ernest Regetti High School for producing an environment that stewards aspiring young artists to develop their skills while creating bright futures.

Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors proclaims October as National Arts and Humanities Month and commends local artists, cultural practitioners, and institutions for their vital role in building community preserving cultural traditions And improving the economy and quality of life for all residents. Passed and adopted today.

Chair Williams and members of the board, good morning. I am Hannah Rubel-Cava with the County Office of Arts and Culture. Thank you so much for your time this morning. It is such a pleasure to be here to honor Melissa Johnson, Madison Lee, and Caitlin Corbo. Unfortunately, Melissa Johnson has stuck in traffic this morning. There is no greater way to celebrate Arts and Humanities Month than by recognizing the hard work of teachers and their students. Teachers like Melissa Johnson are inspiring and educating the next generation of artists, and are the foundation of the county's vibrant arts sector. Melissa Johnson has been teaching for the Santa Maria Joint Union High School District for the past 20 years, the last five of those as the Fine Arts Instructor for Regetti High School.

She is dedicated to her students and is always looking for ways to showcase their talent and to provide them with opportunities to learn and experience more. Melissa is also a talented artist, and her work can be found on two of the utility boxes here in the city of Santa Maria. I'm also thrilled to have two extremely talented young women here representing the next generation of artists. Often when we recognize an artist's talent, it is seen as a gift. Something that they were born with. But we need to recognize that these students here aren't here because they are merely born with artistic talent. They're here because they have practiced and practice some more. They have worked for hours and hours on their skills and have had the great fortune of having amazing teachers like Melissa Johnson along the way.

It is such an honor to celebrate Arts and Humanities Month by presenting these two young artists Madison Lee and Caitlin Corbeau with these awards for their hard work, dedication, and creativity. Thank you.

Thank you and I appreciate staff for doing the slides that I was just about to ask and say next time we'd like to see the paintings but then you brought it. A20.

Chair Williams, members of the board our next resolution is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino this is a resolution proclaiming the month of October 2018 as Energy Awareness Month in Santa Barbara County and Dave Cross who's here to receive the resolution come on up Dave Read the resolution into the record. Whereas, the county is an active member of the Santa Barbara County Energy Watch Partnership. This partnership is between local governments in Santa Barbara County, Pacific Gas and Electric Company, the Southern California Gas Company as well as the cities of Santa Maria, Builton, Guadalupe, Santa Maria, and Solvang.

And whereas, the Santa Maria Chamber has served as the implementer of the Santa Barbara County Energy Watch Partnership since 2008, and the program has assisted municipalities and over 400 businesses in North Santa Barbara County to become more energy efficient. Whereas it's more important now than ever to encourage energy efficiency and sustainability for all residents, businesses and municipalities. It's good public policy to conserve energy empower others to take action and join together to save energy and money.

And whereas energy efficiency programs enhance our environment by improving air quality, reducing greenhouse gases and other pollutants in conserving natural resources. It is vital for communities to incorporate energy efficiency into everyday business practices and their personal lives. And whereas, Santa Barbara County seeks to promote innovative methods and advanced technologies in the design and construction of new residential and commercial buildings within the county. Whereas energy efficiency improvements can be realized through wise energy attitudes, behaviors, and organizational decisions.

And whereas Energy Awareness Month is a national effort first proclaimed by the White House in October of 1991. Now therefore it be hereby ordered and resolved that the month of October 2018 is declared to be energy awareness month, to be celebrated in Santa Barbara County its employees, residents of all ages and businesses throughout the community pass and adopt it today.

Supervisor Williams, members of the board. I'm Dave Cross here today representing the Chamber of Commerce Santa Maria Valley. We do administer the Santa Barbara County Energy Watch Partnership Our territory is north Santa Barbara County, and since 2010 we've helped literally hundreds of businesses through our direct install program become more energy efficient. This last year we've done work in Santa Maria, in Guadalupe, the unincorporated areas around Lompoc, Orchid, San Yanez even out To Lake Kachuma, we upgraded Circle V Ranch to LEDs through our non-profit grant program. And that saves them considerable energy and cost. Good Samaritan Shelter in Santa Maria and outside of Lompoc, we did the same thing with them through a nonprofit grant program updating their LEDs, lights to LEDs.

And they save literally $20,000 a year that goes back into For good Samaritan shelters, so it's great. So we've done work in the 3rd 4th and 5th district and Supervisor Williams just so you know wasn't too long ago We worked with supervisor Carbajal in Nuku Yama for significant outreach out there So I'm hoping down the road we can work together with your office to continue that effort So October being Energy Awareness Month gives everyone an opportunity to look at their energy use, save a little bit on energy and on cost. And there's some great tips at pge.com and socalgas.com to do just that. So thank you.

Chair Williams, members of the board. Item 821 sponsored by Supervisor Lavagnino this is a resolution proclaiming the week of October 7th through 13 2018 as National 4-H Week in Santa Barbara County and we have a few folks here to come on up I think Emma Bishop, Emma, Justin Bradley, Janelle Hansen and anybody else you'd like to come on up bring it up that's great And I'll go ahead and read the resolution into the record.

Whereas 4-H is America's largest youth development organization supporting nearly 6 million youth across the country, and whereas 4-h has helped over 700 club enrolled youth in Santa Barbara County to become confident, independent, resilient, and compassionate leaders. In addition, 4- H has provided about 12,600 hands on research based curriculum opportunities for youth in Santa Barbara County.

Whereas 4-H is delivered by Cooperative Extension, a community of more than 100 public universities across the nation and provide experiences where young people learn by doing through hands on projects in important areas such as health, science, agricultural and civic engagement. And whereas California 4-h is led by the University of California's Cooperative Extension, the research and outreach arm of the University of California's Division of Agricultural and Natural Resources. And whereas National 4-H Week showcases the incredible ways that 4-h inspires kids and highlights the remarkable 4- h youth in Santa Barbara County who work each day to make a positive impact on those around them.

And whereas 4- H's national network of nearly 500,000 volunteers and 3500 professionals provides caring and supportive mentoring for all 4-hers helping them to grow into true leaders entrepreneurs and visionaries Now therefore it be hereby ordered and resolved that the Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County proclaim the week of October 7th through 13, 2018 as National 4-H Week throughout Santa Barbara County. And encourage all of our citizens to recognize 4-h for the significant impact they've made and continue to make by empowering youth with the skills they need to lead for a lifetime. Passed and adopted today.

Good morning, Supervisors and fellow Santa Barbara County residents. It is a pleasure to be here today to receive the 4-H proclamation. My name is Brader Raposo and I am 12 years old. I'm a seven year member of La Graciosa 4-h in Santa Barbara County. 4- H has given me opportunities to learn and grow. It's given me the tools to become a confident speaker and leader too.

I've learned ethically raise and market livestock and how to use my earnings to save for my future. 4-H has helped me pursue my greatest interest, which is horses. I've had the opportunity to explore STEM, which helped me better understand how things work. My school's also started using STEM. I've seen how being active in the community helps others and that things I do for my community can make an impact.

I appreciate your continued support of the 4-h Youth Development Program. Thank you.

We have several items being pulled. A5, not for a separate vote. A8 and A11 so let's start with A5.

And just to note that we have no request to speak from the public on the administrative agenda today.

Why don't we actually just take a motion on the balance of agenda in case there's some staff here that can go onto another task? Can we get a motion on the balance of the agenda?

Yes, Mr. Chair I'll make that motion.

A5, A8

and A11.

All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right, A5.

Chair Williams, members of the board. Item A5 is from a clerk recorder and this is the action today to appoint in lieu of election Keith Haddock incumbent to the Santa Maria Valley Water Conservation District Division 3 Casey Tuttle Conrad incumbent to the Santa Maria Valley Water Conservation District Division 6 both candidates filed a declaration of candidacy for that district and are qualified to hold office. The appointments take effect on December 7th 2018

Supervisor Labanino, I wanted to explain what's going on though. I honestly question the wisdom of that with how long it took us to explain

what was going on last week. I'm not trying to throw a little mud in the water. Now, I appreciate and this doesn't have anything to do with District 3 and District 7. I am sorry, District 3 and District 6. My question is about the open seat, which is district five. And I just want to get clarification because it was in the newspaper and I just wanted to get clarification of how people that would be interested in that open seat of how we would go about accepting those applications and reaching out to the public and then what the process is for appointing that person?

Chair Williams, Supervisor Lavagnino. So what's going to happen is that our office is going to engage in some outreach. We have four districts that we need to appoint to. We have two in the Carpinteria area with Carpinteria Valley Water and the Carpinteria Summerland Fire Protection District. We have one in Quiama at the Quiama Valley Recreation District and then the Santa Maria Valley Water Conservation District Division 5.

So we've been contacting, and will be contacting all of the representatives of those districts. And then working with the board members on searching for candidates that qualify and could be appointed by the board. And we're encouraging anybody who's interested to apply for those positions. We'll do some outreach in the newspapers. For example, for Carpinteria, we would use Coastal View. And then for Santa Maria, obviously The Santa Maria Times, and also Quiama, we've used The Santa Maria Times in the past. And we've also posted the ads out in Quiama at the community services district offices and also at the recreation district office to try to get the word out, out there. So that's basically the outreach effort and then we'll be coming back to the board in November with the applications and requesting that the board make the appointments to the districts.

Can I get a motion on A5? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? And thank you Mr. Holland for being there. If you do want to chime in, you're welcome but there were no other questions. A8. There he is coming back.

Come on up. Just thank you very much and Michael Allen is corrected. It's really in his purview now to accept applications for those vacant seats, so thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Holland.

Just one more thing I just would note that for individuals who would like to, you can apply online www.countyofsb.org on the county's website. You can apply and those applications come straight to our office through that online portal.

Thank you.

A8? Chair Williams, members of the board, item A8 is from the County Executive Office. It's to consider recommendations regarding re-ratification and proclamation of a local emergency caused by drought conditions.

Supervisor Hartman.

Thank you, Chair Williams. I asked to pull this item because I'd like an update on Lake Kachuma. We've had a lot of focus on other emergencies but the drought emergency continues and so thank you for being here Mr. Payam.

Thank you. Good morning, Mister Chair and members of the board. We've been adopting these drought proclamations for quite a long time and it's important to recognize that we have been and are still in a drought and in fact now I would categorize it as a record drought with the trailing seven-year rainfall being at Gibraltar Reservoir which is the indicator for the San Ynez River watershed, the record drought for the last hundred years To that end, Lake Kachuma now is at 31% and is looking to be at a fully allocated state again as we were in 2016.

And that's very concerning because all sorts of problems start to come from that one is that a pump barge may be required by the end of next summer if there's no additional rain this winter And it also puts a lot of stress on calculating exactly how much water is in the reservoir, because it's a moving target and a lot of variables. So we've been working with our member unit partners and maybe not agreeing on how much water is available. We're taking a very cautious approach and incrementally looking at this to make sure we don't over allocate the lake that as your board remembers, the lake was over allocated in 2016 and we don' need to return to that state.

So we're all hoping for rain this year. Also, how ironic last rain year was a 50% rain year yet look at the damages we suffered in the Thomas fire and the resulting one nine debris flow so it's an important reminder that even in a drought We are at risk for flooding and other causes but we do need rain Hopefully we'll see some inflow into Kachuma, but until then your water agency as it started in about 2012 is very carefully calculating water available in Lake Kachuma. So with that I answer any other questions.

Supervisor Hartman?

Thank you. I did have a question about the effect of the Whittier fire on Lake Kachuma and how much recovery we've seen, revegetation, how much we're still at risk for siltation to come into the lake this coming rain year?

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Hartman very good point with the Whittier fire and the Thomas fire I would point out that we had a heavy rainstorm in the Montecito area which also on the backside flows into Jameson and Gibraltar Reservoir. The water quality that resulted from that debris flow rendered that water unusable for a significant amount of time and I don't know that either the city or Montecito are using water from those reservoirs yet because of the water quality. Eventually, I believe it'll be usable. We didn't suffer that at Kachuma because the rain wasn't quite as intense there but there is an ongoing risk from having water quality impacts in Lake Kachuma from heavy downpour and also the sedimentation but Just at subjectively looking at the relative watersheds, the Whittier Fire area has recovered much better.

It is on the sun shadowed side of the mountain so it gets that benefit tends to be cooler. We see a little more recovery on the Whittier fire I drive that every day so I take note of that and so that's good news but the risk is still there as you know.

Supervisor Adam?

It may be just a little bit off topics, but since you're here I've been getting some questions about the fourth and fifth ramps And do you know anything about the fourth and fifth ramps there that are not going to be accessible? Some of the voters are giving me hard time about

yeah, I think maybe mr. We've been providing the forecast of where we think the lake is going to go and that affects the elevation.

Supervisor Adam through the chair, I haven't heard yet. I'll check with Jeff Lindgren to see. We do move it once the water does go below a certain level, we'll move the ramp out.

Well apparently, because I'm hearing from more than one person that as it goes down if it goes past the third ramp there's not going to be any access at the fourth and fifth ramps.

Let me check on it with Jeff and I'll get back to you on it.

Do not need a separate vote on this item but well I guess since it's the only item of 1 or 2 we'll take a motion. Motion on A8.

Move staff's recommendation.

Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? It's unanimous. A11, just a request for a separate vote.

Yep. Roll call please. Chair Williams, members of the board, A11 is from Human Resources. It's to consider recommendations regarding an amendment to Ordinance 5018 setting compensation and benefits for members of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors.

Is there a motion? Is there a second?

Second.

Roll call, please.

Mr. Adam? No. Mr. Lavagnino? Aye. Ms. Wolfe? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye Mr Williams? Aye Passes

4 to 1. Is there any public comment for items not on the agenda?

We have one request to speak we're going to go to Santa Barbara for Ed Kolaski. Mr Kolasky

Good morning. I call my talk, I cannot remodel my house because of our supervisor in the second district. This has nothing to do with the guidelines this is a personal thing apparently she feels that we're not suited for of having our house remodeled. You know with all the resolutions there, why don't you have a resolution to investigate the illegal activity of one of the board members? I could list at least 20 things we can go down through them at one time if you need help.

Today I was going to start off with our 64 page report on our house and in the summary of that report. They say that what we submitted is built solely over the garage and therefore in violation of guideline 4.7. They tell you to look at attachment E1, and that the building that we're adding is extended to the north If you can put up the other drawing there, first of all if you've noticed on my drawing it shows that the outline shows that our second story is over the dining room, garage, kitchen, laundry room and part of the living room. But if you look at the drawings submitted by the Board of Architectural Review, try not to laugh, this has nothing to do with the overlay of the second story.

Yet they put it out there because when you're telling a lie, you've got to fill in the pages and make it so that people don't realize that the whole thing is nothing but a lie. Our property's really extended to the west not to the north and he avoids saying that it's over the kitchen, the dining room, and the laundry room. I can't believe The people could go on and on with this criminal activity and not do anything about it.

You know you say a pledge of allegiance for liberty and justice for all, you should delete the for all or at least add for all those that are willing to pay our second district supervisor. Alex was chairman of the Board of Architectural Review One day he's voting five to two in our favor. The next meeting, he won't let us show our project. He won't let us speak.

It just so incredible I don't know how to say it or express it. Why can't someone who pays for the meeting be allowed to speak? Why are we ejected in 15 seconds not allowed to say a single word Why is our supervisor still on the board? She should have been investigated and fired a long time ago. Why is Alex still in charge of the Board of Architectural Review?

He should have been fired and let go a long time ago. Hail to our dictator, is that what it is? Hail to our dictator? Why do we have a

dictator?

That concludes public comment.

We will go to departmental item number one.

Chair Williams, members of the board, item number one is from community services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the formation of a library ad hoc committee.

Chair Williams I'm going to turn this over to Roger Bailey who has been involved in our library project.

Good morning, Chair Williams, members of the Board of Supervisors. Today we'll be receiving a presentation on the formation of the Library Ad Hoc Committee. Staff will be seeking your approval for the creation of the Library Ad Hoc Committee, the appointment of two board of supervisors, the four library directors, Library Advisory Committee member Judith Dale, Library friend member Patricia Saley, the CSD director for the purpose of addressing the need for an effective long term library service delivery model.

And to determine such action is not a project subject to CEQA. I will begin with a brief summary of how we got to today. Back on May 2nd, 2017 after a library presentation to your board staff was directed to engage a library consultant for the purpose of evaluating the current County Library Service model and service delivery system and funding model. On October 17th the Board approved the Library Consultant Selection Committee's recommendation of management partners to provide countywide library consultant services On April 3rd, 2018 the Board of Supervisors received a presentation from management partners.

The board directed staff to contract with the city of Goleta in fiscal year 2018-19 for the operation of the Goleta Valley Library and also earmarked 5% of the annual award for determination by the library advisory committee. And it also capped administration charges at 20% and excluded friends donations. However, the 5% earmark and administrative caps were later rescinded.

On June 5th, the Board of Supervisors restored status quo county funding allocation and administrative charges allowed and received an update from staff on fund balance deficits. And potential reductions in hours and programming in fiscal year 2018-19. At this time, the board directed staff to create an ad hoc committee to address the need for an effective and sustainable long term service delivery model.

During June's budget hearings, in addition to keeping per capita level at $7.80 at a total cost of 3.5 million, the board provided an additional $200,000 to prevent smaller libraries from reducing hours and programming. At the September 19th 2018 Library Advisory Committee meeting, the LAC unanimously recommended for appointment Library Advisory Committee member Judith Dale and library friend member Patricia Saley to the ad hoc committee.

Earlier this month on October 2nd, your board approved the countywide library agreement. The Library Ad Hoc Committee members are as follows. Two County Board of Supervisors which staff is seeking the appointment of, Judith Dale as the LAC representative, Patricia Saley as the Friends representative, the CSD director or his designee. Additionally staff will be seeking an external consultant yet to be selected to assist in driving the process.

The objective of the ad hoc committee will be to develop a funding formula that is based on socioeconomic factors, geographic location, literacy rates And contributions from partners. There are other issues the ad hoc committee may address as well, those may include reviewing the sustainability of the library system. Revisiting the management partner recommendation to add Buelton and Solvang to zone four. As well as administration charges charged by administrators, standardizing library hours and evaluating governance options.

In summary, staff is seeking the formation of the ad hoc committee and appointment of two Board of Supervisors. In addition to the four library directors, LAC member Judith Dale, friend member Patricia Saley, and the CSD director. Thank you. Staff is available to answer any questions you may have.

Supervisor Wolfe? You have some questions?

I do.

Please proceed.

One thing that you just mentioned that wasn't in our board letter about what the ad hoc's charge is, was reviewing the built-in solving possible move to Zone 4. I thought that that...I don't know maybe I just misunderstood but I thought that decision would be separate from any ad hoc What this ad hoc committee would be doing. They were moving forward or not moving forward, but it was a separate issue so I just want to make sure that we're on the same page.

Supervisor Wolf through the chair. It is a separate issue, you are correct. The main function of this ad hoc committee will be to address the funding formula. We did have a lot of recommendations from management partners and we ultimately landed on just the per capita. I put it down as a potential issue that could be discussed by the Ad Hoc Committee but is not the reason for its formation.

But it's not in the board letter and that's why I think we really need to be clear when we're talking to the Ad Hoc Committee What is their charge? So, can we be clear that that's not their charge?

Supervise both. Yes, we will be clear

that that's not their charge. And I can tell you that logistically it's not even possible for it to be their charge because and the committee members that were recommended to the board are well aware of it because Black Gold needs to know by December Whether they are in zone four or not. So

they need to know by December?

There's an incredibly urgent deadline for a resolution to this matter.

Okay, well then thank you so that we're all clear about that. The other thing, so just given what you said about December, that they have to make a decision about moving into zone four or not. This is kind of a broader question. Why not wait until January when we have a new board representative from the second district seated? There may be some movement on who sits on the library advisory committee.

And I'm just wondering if there's any reason why this action couldn't Until January, because and not just because of a new seat of the supervisor. But also because it looks like there's going to be some action on the change of zone perhaps.

Supervisor Wolfe through the chair. The solving and built in issue has to be resolved by December and that's something we can do internally. I guess waiting will take some time. It's going to take some time for the ad hoc committee to move forward, schedule the meetings and get the work done. We've got contracts coming up next June we'll be here sooner than you think.

So it's really policy decision on the board's part whether or not you want to wait. We can move forward. We'll follow whatever direction that the board wants to take on this one.

So your hope is, Mr. Chapman that the ad hoc committee will be acting quickly to make a recommendation to the board so that it can go into effect for next year? Is that what you're thinking?

And I'll just tell you from the perspective of the members of the library ad hoc, I think their frustration with board process is that we seem to want their opinion in the first half of the year. And then there's sort of like one or two meetings to reach resolution and then we don't want their opinion for the second half of the year. And then we go, yeah, we'll figure out something better for next year. But then perhaps do not meet enough to hash out a lot of the issues. So I'll just speak for at least, I know the opinion of Judith Dale who's one of the recommended folks that tackling issues this complicated will take a little bit more Meeting and waiting until January would be essentially repeating what we do and kind of rush the process before June.

Supervisor Hartman?

Thank you. From my perspective, we've spent the last two budget workshops and hearings with libraries being very contentious and so we did get this study and at the last hearings I guess I did volunteer to serve on the committee if the board would agree to appoint me. I think it's very important that we come up with some recommendations, that we not once again be mired in uncertainty. But we have something clear to go forward because we were putting it off for the library study. We got that and we still were floundering so I think it's time that we really take the bull by the horns and figure this out instead of just muddling through yet again and all the uncertainty and all the contentiousness that that raises.

And I've also volunteered as your designee to the Library Advisory Committee and hope that the Board of Supervisors is willing to at least look at the recommendations and meeting process for this committee between next month and the spring. Supervisor Wolk?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well, let me just state that what the Board of Supervisors does in our allocation of over $3 million is to ensure that the money does go to each person in the county. And I know that some folks brought up the issue of whether or not we should be funding cities and so forth. I think if there was any change to maybe reduce or eliminate our funding to cities, that there would be a significant impact to our cities and our constituents.

I'm pleased to see the makeup of this because we have someone from, we have all the library administrators. But and I don't know if Supervisor Lavagnino or Supervisor Adam Would be interested, but this could potentially impact your districts as well as South County. It's always seemed to be focused on South County, but as we're talking about ad hoc and what the charges of this, the potential implications could be significant to the city of Santa Maria, And so that's one thing and also I don't mean to, I appreciate that Supervisor Hartman has volunteered and Supervisor Williams has volunteered.

I think that since Supervisor Williams already sits on the Library Advisory Committee, that we should have another supervisor serve. That would be another reason to wait until January because whoever is on the chair of the Library Advisory Committee, I don't think should also sit on this ad hoc committee. So that's why I'm suggesting that either one of you serve and Otherwise, I just think that it's.

Otherwise, wait until January. See how things fall out. Whoever is the chair of the Library Advisory Committee I don't think should be on the ad hoc. So if you select someone else on the Library Advisory Committee, I think it's great to have Supervisor Williams serve but it's kind of like a double dip on an ad hoc committee that really will impact the entire county.

Supervisor

Lavenino. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Actually, I prefer to have somebody on the ad hoc committee that...I don't see the problem. I don't see it as a double dip. It's going to be that person who is probably going to have more information and knowledge of library functions than most of us on the board and I know you used to serve in that capacity so Yes, any decision that we make is that the ad hoc is going to make. It's going to be a recommendation to come back to the full board and if my district is impacted then let's be the time where I will feel like it'll be time for me to weigh in. But I'm very concerned about, we've discussed these library issues to death with absolutely zero resolution.

So waiting, and I understand your thought process on that. But for me waiting until January, we know how January is by the time you get through the holidays. We're just a couple of months away from budget workshops in April. I just don't see them coming to a resolution in a month or two. And so, I would prefer that it move now and I'm comfortable with the two supervisors that have volunteered unless Supervisor Adam, I don't see him raising his hand too high on this one.

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Thank you for that, Supervisor Lavagnino. And you're right, this will come back to the board with recommendations and I think, I trust that it will be a fair hearing from folks. And I think you know how important this issue is to my constituents in the third districts and the folks who are paying CSA3 funds to supplant the funding that the libraries get. So, I just want to make sure that that issue is not overlooked because as you rightly point out this has been contentious and Is that issue in particular? So, I just wanted to make that point. And of course it's always nice to have two volunteers and I appreciate them stepping forward and if that's the choice of the board, I'll agree with the motion and expect that it will be a fair representation of recommendations.