Board of Supervisors — 2019-03-05

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♪ A call to order the March 5th 2019 meeting at the Board of Supervisors. Can we please have the chambers quiet down? Use the gavel, okay. Hello Thank you. I'll call to order the March 5th, 2019 meeting of the Board of Supervisors. Will the clerk please call the roll?

Mr. Adam. Mr. Williams. Here. Mr Hart.

Here.

Ms. Hartman. Here! Mr. Lavinino. Let the record reflect that Supervisor Lavinino is absent.

The next item of business is approval of the minutes of February 26, 2019. Is there any discussion? Can I please get a motion?

Move for approval.

Second. Motion's been made and seconded. Do we need a roll call vote or is acclimation fined? All those in favor say aye. Opposed and abstain. Matter carries unanimously. CEO Miyasato do you have a report for us today?

Good morning supervisors and Vice Chair Hart. Yes, I do have a report of two items this morning for first item is just a brief update from Sheriff Brown about the incoming storm in the evacuations that are effective as of 4 p.m. Today Also in the audience is Rob Lewin our OEM director for any questions Mr.. Sheriff Brown

Thank you, Chairman.

I'm here to give you an update on the storm situation and evacuations that are occurring as we speak. We have an atmospheric river type storm that is scheduled to hit our county this afternoon. We should see some light rain in the early afternoon, and then it will be increasing in intensity. The total amount of rain is predicted to be about two-and-a-half to three inches for our county. That could go up to five inches depending on whether or not we have any thunderstorms.

In the five inches would be a total in the mountain areas or in the south-facing areas above our burn scar areas. The intensity of the storm is of concern, it's predicted to be 0.5 to 0.8 inches at times which does hit the threshold amount that gives us concern in terms of debris flows The possibility of thunderstorms, as I said, increases the intensity of the potential downpour and could push rain rates in those burn areas to areas that are up to as much as one inch per hour.

The concerns we have obviously are debris flows but also mud flows and because of the amount of water just conventional flooding issues as well. The National Weather Service has issued a flood watch for our county and for Ventura and Los Angeles counties from 6 p.m. this evening through 6 a.m tomorrow the storm risk decision team evaluated all of these criteria and recommended and I issued an evacuation order that We'll be effective 4 PM this afternoon and we'll evaluate after the storm impacts us in terms of trying to get people back into their homes as soon as possible. But it will hit roughly 1,341 parcels, roughly 3,000 people living in the red zone area.

This morning, we had about 50 of our personnel at about 8 o'clock that started a door-to-door notification process in the evacuation areas. We expect that to be complete by no later than 3 o'clock this afternoon We will have saturation patrols in the evacuated areas while the areas are under evacuation order. 10 deputy sheriffs, in addition to our regular patrol deputies will be in those areas.

The storm is expected, the intense part of the storm is expected hitting two waves. The first from about 11 to midnight this evening and then the second which is expected to be the larger wave from 3 to 5 AM. We have our Department Operations Center open now. The Emergency Operations Center will be open this afternoon starting at 5 o'clock. The call center is open now and if anyone is in doubt as to whether or not they're An evacuation area they can go to our website the county's website ready sbc dot org r e a d y s b c dot org.

And they can plug their address into an interactive map and see where they are. And if there's any need for information, they can call the center at 833-688-5551. And if you have any other questions I'm here and we have OEM Director Rob Lewin and our Flood Control Director Tom Farrum is here as well.

Are there questions from the board? Supervisor Hartman.

Thank you. Uh, I did have a question about our debris basins. I know I've seen a lot of trucks working day in and day out and just wondered if we could get a report on the status of those.

Yes, Mr Chair, uh, supervisor Hartman, um, the work on the debris basins that has been ongoing effort. We estimate that the last remaining basin that we're working on is the Romero Basin. And we estimate that to be complete today. Well thank you

Sheriff Brown for that information and thank you for your deputies and your work to prepare us. The community is listening intently to the message, and I hope they're taking the advice that you're offering. It's important first of all to react and be prepared for these events. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Supervisor Williams? Just because Director Farrum said complete what you mean by complete is that they are emptied out to grade The debris basins in Carpinteria and in Montecito. Is that correct?

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Williams, that's correct.

Great. Thank you so much. Any other

questions? Okay. Thank you, Sheriff.

My second item on a happier note is I would like to formally introduce our new Human Resources Director to your board and to the county, Maria Elena de Guevara. To come up for a moment, Ms. DeGuevara has worked in the human resources field for 34 years with experience in city, county, private sector and higher education agencies. Most recently she was the Associate Vice President of Human Resources for Santa Clara University and also held the same position at San Jose State University where under her leadership the HR team was named Improvement team of the year for the entire Cal State system prior to that She served as the director of human resources for the city of Redwood City for over 10 years. She's a resident of Santa Barbara and Locally has taught women how to start their own businesses at the Women's Economic Ventures Ms.

Deguevara served as our interim director since November and officially began her first day as our permanent director last week So it's my pleasure to introduce Maria Elena Deguevara

Well thank you so much honorable board members and CEO Mona. I just want to thank you for the opportunity to join the county team and in my short tenure, I've had the opportunity to meet several county employees and leaders And I'm just honored to be among them as we forge ahead into the future. So thank you so much and just a sidebar that here's my better half, Mr. Tino.

Mr. T as his students call him.

Thank you Ms. Dagover. We appreciate your work and leadership. We had an opportunity to see you in action at a Renew 22 workshop the other day Inspiring and a great leader. So thank you for working for the county Now we go to our resolutions to be presented can I please get a motion on items a one and two

Second

all those in favor say aye Oppose and abstain matter carries will the clerk, please read item a1 into the record

Chair Hart and members of the board, Item A1 is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming March 7th, 2018 as Arbor Day in Santa Barbara County. And if I could please have Udi Loza and Duke Loster to the podium? I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Santa Barbara County has a long and prosperous agricultural history of growing annual and perennial plants for products as well as landscape benefits. And whereas the residents of Santa Barbara County treasure the valuable landscape trees provide on both public and private lands, and consider them to be essential living features that contribute to their quality-of-life experience. And whereas the natural beauty of our urban forests and county landscapes, as well as the enhanced beauty of the planted and developed landscaped environments Add to the many qualities that draw visitors and new residents to one of California's most beautiful counties.

And whereas, four of the largest incorporated cities in Santa Barbara County have for many years been proud and active participants in the Tree City USA program sponsored by the National Arbor Day Foundation. And whereas as governing stewards responsible for planting and care of all trees growing on county public lands, as well as promoting and encouraging conservation of valuable trees growing on private lands Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that the Board of Supervisors of County of Santa Barbara, together with the Public Works and Community Services Departments proclaim Thursday March 7th 2019 as Arbor Day throughout the county. And encourage all citizens to recognize the multitude of benefits our community derives from the conscious acts of planting and properly maintaining landscape trees.

I request that all institutions of primary and secondary education throughout the county seek ways To observe this important day and to teach students the value of trees in our lives, passed and adopted today.

Good morning Mr. Chair, members of the board on behalf of our public works I'd like to thank you for this resolution it is a distinct honor for us to this year complete our 15th year to be recognized by the Tree City County Arbor Foundation it means a lot to us it just basically means that we have a very professional hands-on caring process to take care and preservation of urban forest so I'd also like to note that we are the only county in the state of California that's being recognized by the Tree City Arbor Group. It's huge for us to be recognized, and Soul Class is the only county in the state of California. So thank you very much.

Congratulations on the well-deserved tree city recognition. That's a big deal Well, the clerk please read item a to into the record

Chair chair Hart members of the board Item a two is from supervisor Lavagnino It is to adopt a resolution of commendation honoring Julie Harris as the March 2019 employee of the month in Santa Barbara County if I can have Julie podium and All right. Whereas, Julie Harris has provided exemplary service to the County of Santa Barbara for 20 years in the Planning and Development Department working as a Senior Planner and Project Manager for both the Development Review Division and Long-Range Planning Division. And whereas, Julie consistently and graciously accepts very challenging complex and high priority planning projects including the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan, Santa Ana's Valley Community Plan, Los Alamos Pedestrian and Circulation Parking Plan Updated habitat mapping for the rural areas of Eastern Gleada Valley and the Gaviota Coast Plan.

And whereas, Julie worked tirelessly to complete the Gaviota Coast Plan Coastal Commission certification process. Her leadership and depth of knowledge of coastal policies and ordinances contributed to the Coastal Commission staff revising many of their original suggested modifications such that the modifications were ultimately accepted to the Board of Supervisors. And whereas, Julie has served as a mentor to and resource for many county employees regarding land use planning issues and is widely acknowledged for her dedication to public service, integrity, professionalism, and precision. And whereas, Julie's passion for preserving the unique diverse ecosystems of Santa Barbara County extends beyond her professional responsibilities And is reflected in her enthusiasm as a hiker and naturalist who often can be found along the coast or in the mountains, in search of a unique avian or flower plant species.

Now therefore be it hereby resolved and ordered that the Board of Supervisors commends and recognizes Julie Harris as the March 2019 County of Santa Barbara Employee of the Month for exceptional contributions and outstanding service to the county of Santa Barbara passed and adopted today.

Apparently they only give you the tough stuff.

Mr. Chair and members of the board, I just wanted to say a few words about Julie and her well-deserved recognition today. And if I knew this was—this is fun! This is like the first time I've gotten to be at this podium and do something fun so thank you. Really glad I got to do this. So when I think of Julie, I think of three words. Reliable and respected. We took that size to who was going to cry today by the way, then I think we might vote. She's passionate about her work. I think you've all seen that she takes on the hard things she's reliable. She gets them done I actually call her the closer because she took on a number of projects that others had started and Julie just got them over the finish line and got them done, and then respected probably the most important thing.

She's respected by all staff, she's respected by support staff all the way through the organization and that's remarkable. So thank you for honoring

her. Supervisor Hartman has a comment too.

We don't usually say anything up here Draws out the time but in this particular case, I can't remain silent. I had the opportunity to work with Julie on the Gaviota Coast plan and It was extremely complex and I've worked in government for many many years it was the highest quality staff work I have ever seen so I'm very appreciative and much deserved today

Miss Harris

Good morning, members of the board and thank you very much for giving me this recognition. Actually I was really speechless when my supervisor informed me that I had been selected for P&D's employee of the month. The work in our planning department is very challenging, and it requires a lot of teamwork. So I have to thank my co-workers and my supervisors past and present, and my managers who we've all worked together on these difficult projects to bring them to the Planning Commission into your board in order to get the best response and results that we can.

And I really wouldn't be here today without them. I've worked here for a long time, and I've learned so much from all of my co-workers that I've worked with in the past. So I want to thank all of them, and I want to thank all of you. It's a privilege to work for this great county, and i'm really proud of the work that we do. It is not easy but it's really important to the people of our county, and And I don't know, some birders might not appreciate this. But there have been some owls, great horned owls nesting out near Devereaux and it's been the latest great thing to go out and see and they're really cute.

Thank you.

The next item is the approval of the administrative items. Does any board member wish to pull any of these items? And are there, is there any public comment?

A7.

If that's not pulled already by my

memory.

9

and 10. Okay. A7, 9 and 10. Is the public wanting to comment on any other items?

Chair Hart, members of the Board we also have requests from the public on Item A9 and A10. All

right well let's start with A7 will the clerk please read the item into the record?

Yes, and Chair Hart, members of the board. I do have one announcement on the administrative agenda today and that is a request from the department to continue item A5 to the March 19th hearing so if we could just include that in our final motion.

Thank you.

Chair Hart, members of the board, Item A7 is from the County Executive Office. It is to consider recommendations regarding the termination of the proclamation of local emergency caused by drought conditions.

Mr. Lewin? Thank you, Chair and Supervisors. Staff is before you today to recommend that you terminate the proclamation of a local emergency caused by drought. The Drought Proclamation has been proclaimed since January 2014. The drought created conditions of extreme peril to the safety in persons and property. Government code requires when these conditions no longer exist, the local emergency is to be terminated. Staff has looked at all the drought data and it's our recommendation that you terminate the drought.

Thank you very much.

Supervisor Williams? We've had a request from several South Coast water agencies to delay action on this item and just out of respect for our partners, I believe we should do just that. So I would advocate that we ask staff to bring it back in six weeks, six to eight weeks.

Is there any discussion?

Supervisor Hartman and I do understand the ramifications legally that that will create

So, I wanted mr. Lewin to elaborate those and as I understand it We're the drought has to do with the rain coming down not necessarily the groundwater that has That is at Very dangerously low levels for the future right that have to be replenished

Thank you, Chair and Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Williams. So the data that we looked at in terminating a drought is really based on the climatic conditions of drought. As you know, drought is a climatic condition and the impacts of an emergency was declared because of a drought not because of a supply issue. The drought monitor that California has currently indicates that there is no drought in most of California and certainly here in Santa Barbara County. The California Water Resources Board is indicating, as of a few days ago, that the snowpack is at 153%.

Kachuma is now at 65% and rising, and of course we have a significant storm coming in today which will also contribute to that. Jameson and Gibraltar are both at 100%. We do recognize that both Jameson and Gibraltar have been impacted greatly by the Thomas fire, and it has a large amount of sediment and carbon in it that makes it very difficult if at all able to be treated.

The Santa Barbara D cell It is fully operating, and so that of course has increased the ability of reducing the drought impacts. Currently we're at 105% for normal water year as if we had no more rain as of this moment. And to date, we're at 138%. So putting these all together, we felt that it was prudent for staff to recommend that you terminate the drought.

Mr. Guzzone has a comment?

Chair and supervisors, what we're talking about today is one aspect of the California Emergency Services Act. And that is local emergencies. And as Mr. Lewin and the staff report indicated, the requirement here is for the governing body to review the continuing need at least once every 60 days until a governing body terminates the emergency. There is no automatic termination.

of the emergency and there is a duty on the board to terminate at the earliest possible date that conditions warrant. In this case, as the clock is running from the last ratification on this it would be possible to run out of the 60 day period and then there'd be an uncertainty as to what benefits that the county would otherwise receive. We're still getting for example some relaxed funding or availability of funding as well as statutory immunities that come with a current emergency so in this case If the board brought this back after 60 days had run, there'd be an uncertainty period there as to what benefits the county was receiving if there was say an accident or something that an immunity would otherwise apply to. So the options the board have today are to go with staff's recommendation of terminating which is your call Or to renew or to bring it back at a future date Recognizing that if you do so after the 60-day window that you've got this uncertainty period after the back end of the 60 days

Thank you very much Supervisor Williams.

Well, I understand those ramifications that mr. Gazzone is Mentioning, um, of course we wouldn't have that benefit anyway if we terminate right now So that the question is a determination which we don't have those benefits Or lack of action, which we might not have those benefits. To me this is staff is completely right bringing this to us. They're completely right recommending this because it fits the statutory definitions. However in my view more important than statutory definitions is public perception because our actions affect what message we send to the public and From the perspective of our partners, the water purveyors are ground groundwater tables are still in trouble. We still have issues and that it sends a strange mixed message and for that reason I'm simply advocating that we defer action and though And send no message rather than a counterproductive one.

Supervisor Adam? Well, I'm going to try and be quiet here but this is legal and technical distinction it's not a public perception item. You know if people get the wrong idea that That they're they're a wash in water at this point despite the fact. They're they're getting Evacuated today Then then that's that's a different issue This one right here we can't just continue to have a drought emergency based on the fact that we think that We're not in as good a shape as we could be for for water.

So I won't I won't be supporting Moving forward with this and holding it

we don't have to act this moment right now, and we've just been asked for by our partners to delay and You know, I think that's What we should do to be a good neighbor to our water agencies They they need our help and we should be there for them

supervisor Hartman

I had a question and then a comment. Mr. Gazzone, what is the legal test?

Chair and supervisors, this is an area where the definition of emergency normally talks about imminent exigent and words like that. But there are not a lot of cases testing the validity of an emergency. This is tried mostly in the context of was there a legitimate emergency to support an immunity or relaxed funding mechanism? Not a jurisdiction running the clock past some objective standard. So there's a fair amount of discretion for the board in this area.

And then if I might follow up, Mr. Lewin when we spoke on the phone about this you did have a test.

Thank you Chair and Supervisor Hartman. We did make contact with the purveyors last week and we said to them that the tests that we were using as staff for local emergency proclamations whether there is a condition of peril or safety to the community And if they could demonstrate to us that, in fact, in the next couple of years there will continue to be that level of issues of peril and safety of the community. Then we, of course, wanted to hear that data. We did not get anything definitive from the water purveyors that, if fact, there would be that level to meet our test.

So if I might continue my comment is, I agree with Supervisor Adam that this is a matter of legality and having our board decisions comply with that and being respected as a board for making the hard calls. I think it's incumbent on all of us to make clear that it's a supply issue and although we have rain and we may have enough surface water Supervisor Williams.

Well, I would just advocate that we have the respect for the water districts to give them time to provide that data and give a few more weeks for them do so. There is very little consequence for the county for not acting today but the consequence of acting is Thank you.

We understand and we sympathize and want to assist our local water partner agencies. I think as Supervisor Adam and Supervisor Hartman indicated, we feel this was a technical proclamation that we brought you in to begin with where every time we talked about water year rainfall So I think it's the data all points to the fact that we are now close to normal rainfall year and we do not believe we're in a drought. And the state has said, we are not in a drought so we can no longer believe we are in a drought however as all the water purveyors have indicated The different water districts do you have a water shortage emergency? And that's what I think Supervisor Williams is Is bringing up and we understand that.

So it's a messaging issue, but also if you'd like us to go back and work with the water purveyors and see if it warrants the county doing an emergency proclamation for water shortage I think that resolves our issue about continue to say there's a drought.

When does the 60 days expire? What is the date actually?

That would be your next meeting set March 16th. We would have to bring in an item to re-ratify

Well I personally think this actually helps communicate the right message. You know we have this technical issue that we're trying to address and staff has properly brought this item forward but the reality that the water purveyors are struggling with and our residents is that there continues to be a water supply emergency condition so having this conversation I think connects these two dots. Folks are reading in the news at the state level about the snowpack, they're seeing the National Weather Service say that the drought has ended. They're looking outside it's raining a lot and understanding those legitimate realities As juxtaposed to our water supply condition is important and part of this discussion. So I think in a way, this conversation and this item on the agenda can help reinforce the point that we need conservation, we need residents to continue to do the extraordinary work that they've been doing for the past four years conserving water at historic rates.

We're really close to the end of the rain year in another 60 days or so. We're really gonna know where we are many of these water supply issues can be better resolved But today, right now that is the reality that the water purveyors are facing. Is that they have uncertain supplies with Gibraltar and Jameson unavailable. Lake Kachuma's filling but it's largely filling with water that's available for downstream water users. It's not necessarily water for the water purveyors. The state water allocation is still very very low and probably is gonna change in a better way for our community. We'll get more water from that contract but it hasn't happened today so Ironically here we are today Faced with this messaging question I hope the the media is listening intently and carefully and can communicate this well There was a excellent article in the Montecito Journal, I think just last week talking about exactly these connections between these things And I don't want us to be stuck up here with a divided vote.

So any other comments from board members? supervisor Hartman

If I understood, we could bring it back next week and still be within the 60-day window. And that would give us a greater opportunity to partner with our water agency purveyors and get a message strategy? Is there any downside to that?

Chair and Supervisor Hartman yes, we can bring a re-ratification of the drought proclamation to you next week That would be the door within the 60 day period that's required by state law We could bring you two items. I suppose one again to terminate and one again to re ratify and If that's the board request

okay? We also have public comments so maybe that can help us with these deliberations Adam clerk

Chair Hart and members of the board, we had received two late slips on this item today. And the first speaker is Joshua Hagmark to be followed by Robert McDonald. Joshua?

Mr. Hagmark, welcome.

Thank you for having me, Chair Hartman. Supervisors appreciate it this is exactly the dialogue I was hoping would happen today because it's it is a difficult time we're in a weird time of transition and really I'm here today just to differentiate the county's termination the drought emergency from the continued water supply shortage emergency that continues for all those South Coast Water Preparers While water agencies have generally used the more colloquial recognized term of drought, our water emergencies are technically water shortage emergencies. Since the county is not a water supplier or purveyor The condition that prompted the drought declaration, a dry ecosystem have abated under the county's definition of the drought emergency. So we understand that and I think maybe lessons learned is the next drought because there will be the next drought as maybe we're more coinciding with it being a water supply shortage and working together on that.

However, for those of us with water customers to serve the Water Shortage Emergency persists although it's improving as we speak which is great. We've worked hard as water agencies to promote a consistent message and programs through the drought and my comments here today are really focused on making sure that the county's termination of the drought emergency is not interpreted by the general public as an end to the Water Shortage Emergency.

Water supply planning considers whether or not there is enough water supplies to meet demands for the next three years. The cumulative effect of an eight-year drought on the city and other local water suppliers have been extreme, and it will take several years to fully recover from that. As noted already, and you guys have done your homework which I greatly appreciate on this, Gibraltar is full, and as we get these storms unfortunately it stirs up the silt and ash From the Thomas fire and we're unable to utilize that where our hope is that there's that will settle out and we'll be able to utilize that. But at this time, that is an uncertainty for us. Our groundwater basins as noted are historic low levels. And if they recover like they did after the 90s drought, it takes 5-10 years to recover those basins.

For us, that's bringing not only the elevation coming out but that's pushing the seawater that has come in because of The pumping that we've had to do during this extreme drought situation. Lake Kachuma, as it stands, we currently only have a 20% allocation of our normal year and so we can only make decisions off that. We certainly hope. We've submitted a letter, formal letter from all the Kachuma members To the county water agency requesting a full allocation, but we still don't have answers to that. But hopefully in the next month and half two months we'll know. State waters noted is at 35%. And also this city and other agencies have a lot of water debt that we've accrued. Buying water and importing it and so we've got to pay that back. And so that's another you know as we're starting to juggle What what does this drought mean?

And how did all I'm just gonna take this to dig out That's another Another element work in it, and of course We're fortunate to have a diesel plant and that and that is providing a reliable supply for us and we're very appreciative So we appreciate the county's assistance today to local water agencies throughout the historic drought and are confident The county will support the water agencies to reduce The public confusion about the water status of our water supplies and continued need to conserve. The South Coast Water Purveyors are all collectively planning to assess the water shortage declaration when more information is known at the end of the rainy season, which approximately in May. Thank you so much for your support today. Thank

you Mr. Hagmark.

And our next and final speaker on this item is Robert McDonald.

Thank you chair supervisors. I echo what Joshua just said we it is a messaging issue and and you know, we're all working together together as government agencies to notifier our constituents in public and customers As you all know, it takes a while to feel the effects of a drought. Drought actually started in 2012. We really didn't start feeling it until 2014.

One storm or one wet season is not going to reverse an eight-year drought. This is really... we're working to try to restore other supplies as Joshua talked about. Groundwater supplies are highly depleted. It's gonna take a couple of years at a minimum to recover those supplies. State water of course is a backup supply, but even now we're dealing with moving state water into the Kachuma Reservoir because of the issue with some of the outlet works. So we still have a lot of challenges we have to face. We have to continue the message of We need the customers to do their part in conserving and it really you know throws up some obstacles for us as water agencies.

In our efforts to do that and to continue that messaging certainly I think coordination with the county and a little bit of time to coordinate I think it would be great if we could have a meeting with the Board of Supervisors so that we can craft a message. So it better reflects what we're all trying to do here would be greatly appreciated. So yeah, if even could be delayed until the next board meeting, that would be that would be great. Give us some time to coordinate.

Thank you, Mr. That's very helpful supervisor Williams.

a water shortage proclamation along with the termination of the drought so that we do not send the wrong message. It sounds like the water districts could bring their supply data to Mr. Lewin, um, to provide the data under which we would make that proclamation. Um, and just as a side note, because Mr. Hagemark mentioned this, County staff will be supporting a 100% concurring in the 100% allocation request by the water districts and that.

We just ask that you make sure that people know all the information on the 20%. Because you just mentioned again, Mr. Hagemark when you mention the 20%, I think it's incomplete to not mention that county staff along with Concurring or recommending a 20% now, added a 20% after the rainy season. So that's a 40% allocation or a 20 plus 20 and it gives people the wrong picture when you only mention one of those halves of Mr. Fairam's letter to the Bureau.

So my motion would be that we move this to next week, but ask staff to bring back a water shortage proclamation along with the termination of the drought.

Is there a second for the motion? Supervisor Hartman?

I would just like to ask, I saw you having a conversation and I'd just like to know a little bit more about a water shortage proclamation. What's that entail?

Chair and Supervisor Hartman, and I might have to defer to our council here for a moment. But to demonstrate a local proclamation emergency we need to be able to demonstrate that there's extreme peril and safety of persons and property. So what I'm envisioning is that we'll gather the data from the water purveyors particularly here on the South Coast Of why the conditions are such now that they cannot be able to provide Adequate water at some level that could cause problems to the community without the proclamation So that's what we'll do over the next course. I need a calendar check here We when it is it next week that we would bring or can we wait two weeks?

Is it

There's a meeting on 312 and 319 and Mr. Lewin you're 60 days I don't sure when that

think the 19th will work So if you could give it that would help obviously for us at staff, obviously we're working in storm right now.

Mr. Gazzone

Chair and supervisors. I think what I'm hearing is also a question as whether the direction to staff is to bring back a proclamation of local emergency for water short shortage or some other vehicle to express the board's concern in this area

Yes, I think that's the intent of the motion.

So I think that what Mr Lewin just said about imminent peril would be the criteria for a local emergency but I would just like to discuss whether the board has any other options which would be whether there is a resolution that is something less than the declaration under government code 8630 and would not require renewal every 60 days and whether you'd be interested in that as a vehicle?

I think all the options would be great to explore. Supervisor Williams, would that work for you? Yes. OK. Supervisor Hartman?

So does that mean you need to reframe your motion?

I will withdraw my first motion and I'll put forth a motion to move this item to the 19th and to bring back a water shortage proclamation Or whatever, given the evidence presented by the water districts. Whatever the strongest vehicle that you feel can legitimately bring to us as a recommendation.

Second. Motion has been made and seconded. Supervisor Adub?

Well I just feel like this is really political posturing and political posturing doesn't make any more or less water. And so I think that what needs to happen here is there's a better long-term plan and a lot less marketing. And I just, I feel like we're just engaging in marketing here rather than making a long term plan and When we can say that we are getting 38% of the water that we're supposed to get from the State Water Project and that we owe a bunch of other, and I don't know what those volumes are. What have we borrowed ahead of time here?

I think somebody needs to come back with a D item rather than make a proclamation or a resolution or anything and say, look here's how much water we actually have. And here's how much we owe and create more of a plan than have a proclamation and have people get the idea that we're actually have this thing under control when we do not.

Well, I think that point is probably some advice to the water purveyors to come with that information in a more comprehensive way when we bring this item forward. So we can really tell a very complex seven year story and how things will evolve in the future with different paths. We're at a point in time where it appears as though we're getting above average rainfall. We'r not at the end of the rainy season if that continues as it has Things will be very different in two months. If it stops raining next week and doesn't rain anymore, we're back in the same situation. I think that's the point here is the timing of this and trying to communicate dynamic facts to the public in real time. And that's what we're gonna do, I think on the 19th, is bring additional information back, have more time for this, and get the information to the public in the most clear way possible.

Any other comments?

Just a quick one. Yes, we do need regional planning for water but having participated in The drought emergency task force that mr. Lewin writ led for us very superbly It's it's easier said than done with different water districts and different wastewater treatment systems that could contribute so That's that's a long-term goal to do more of that But I don't think we're going to get it done by next week or two weeks

All right, no other comments of Supervisor Williams?