BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 March 12, 2019

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0:02 – 0:0819 turns

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:55

Mute all off. All right, good morning everybody I'd like to call to order this meeting for March 12th of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors Mr. Clerk can I get a roll call please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:10

Ms. Hartman? Here! Mr. Adam? Here. Mr. Williams? Here Mr. Hart? Here Mr. Lavinino?

Pledge of Allegiance, led by Steve Lavagninoceremonial · click to expand
ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:18

I am here Please stand and join with me in the Pledge of Allegiance

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:23

Ready, begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:41

Okay can I get a motion to approve the minutes of the March 5th meeting?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.813:44

So moved. Seconded.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:46

Moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. I will abstain. I was absent. And do we have a CEO's report this morning?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:56

No report this morning.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:57

All right, no report this morning so that takes us to our A agenda. Let's do our resolutions first. Can I get a motion to approve A1? I'd like to make that motion. Approve A1. Mr- I guess we need to read that in. Everybody is jumping on it. Yeah, we already know it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:19

Chair Lavinino, members of the board. Item A1 is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. This is a resolution of commendation honoring Yvonne Bailey upon her retirement from the 5th district.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:31

All right so we've been moved and seconded all those in favor? Aye. Doss is an aye as well I believe. A long distance aye. Alright none opposed passes unanimously So I guess that means it's going to happen All right, Mr. Clerk can you read in? Yvonne if you'd like to come up do you want to bring Mike or? Come on up to the podium. You know how this works we're going to- It's her first day. All right, Mr Allen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:10

I'll read this into the record. This is a resident accommodation for Yvonne Bealey upon her retirement, whereas Yvonne Bailey has spent the last 10 years of her career in public service first as PR and marketing manager of the Santa Maria Fair Park and most recently as assistant to 5th District Supervisor Steve Lavinino. And whereas Yvonne actually worked and balanced multiple county jobs at the same time providing support to the Clerk of the Board and managing the Better AV Government Center in addition to our 5th district's responsibilities. And whereas Yvonne stepped up to become the new driving force behind the Northern Santa Barbara County Athletic Roundtable, raising money to ensure that young athletes continue to have an opportunity for recognition.

And whereas Yvonne's community involvement extends to many areas of Santa Maria including the Santa Maria Valley Boys and Girls Clubs, the Santa Maria Valley Chamber of Commerce, the Santa Barbara County Veterans Stand Down, the Marion Hospital Foundation, Rotary Club, and Toys for Court Kids. And whereas, all of us at the county will miss Yvonne's friendly voice, work ethic and knowledge of just about everything.

Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Yvonne Biele for her service to Santa Barbara County passed and adopted by the board today.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.876:44

I think Supervisor Adam has... We didn't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed6:48

want a photo bomb near the deal with Steve there, so we're going to do our own. Thank you very

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:55

much. That's beautiful. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed7:10

Oh the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed7:11

real

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.877:11

flowers. Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed7:12

oh

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed7:12

my gosh.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed7:44

Steve says I get to say a few words. First of all, I want to say thank you. I feel so fortunate to have had the opportunity to serve the board, to serve the 5th District and to be involved with the county. I tell ya and I've worked over 45 years and if nothing else I've never worked with a group of people that are so kind and so helpful. I don't care what department I called or who I spoke to They always were very, very helpful and they do whatever they could. Friendly faces and I'm going to miss everyone so much.

Probably my biggest regret is not having worked for the county sooner. But thank you so much and I really appreciate everything and my time here. Thanks.

0:08 – 0:1315 turns

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.878:48

Yvonne came along, yeah it was too late. She showed up four years too late but I had a really great four years with her and always provided me with snacks. And a lot of great advice, and just our little conversations I'm going to miss. And the little notes that I got on my desk and thank you cards and those kind of things. Just so helpful to everybody in the county and we are going to miss you and I just hope you have a great, great retirement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed9:20

Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.879:28

All right now she doesn't have to stay for the whole meeting this time. And so we are going to move on to our administrative agenda. I have to recognize my wife was here this morning, thank you for being here too, Mary Lavinino. So now I think you have to go back to work too, yeah all right. Someone's got to bring up the bacon that's what my mother-in-law tells us.

All right, so let's move on to the administrative agenda. Are there any items any of the board would like to pull? Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.8110:06

I believe we need to trail A2 until we get to the departmental item.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8710:10

Yep, we've got that. Supervisor Williams? A7. A7, I think that's the only one so can I get a motion to move the balance of the agenda besides A7 with A2 being trailed till after- So moved. Okay. Moved and seconded all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right let's hear well Do we need to read A2, Mr. Gazzone that we're trailing? Okay, let's go to A7 then.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed10:40

Chair Labnino, members of the board, item A7 is brought to the board by Human Resources. It's to consider recommendations regarding establishing a job classification of forensic unit supervisor.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction10:54

Well, I think we have a lieutenant from the Sheriff's Department here since it was a sheriff's request. And I just kind of wanted to understand this because obviously having more civilians in the department is part of your survival strategy. So I kind of want to understand from that standpoint but also From the standpoint of, just maybe one of the questions is should there be a bachelor's degree requirement for the position?

That's typical in a position of this type or what's the advantages and disadvantages of that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed11:32

Good morning. Yes sir I spent about five years in that position and having a bachelors degree is a benefit And I believe having a civilian supervisor would be best. Not only it would save money, but also the civilians that do that job have a better temperament, a better understanding as opposed to a sworn person who are more type A personalities. And I believe that right now we have several good candidates within our unit that are more than qualified to do that job.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction12:20

So would it be a bad thing for us to have the bachelor's requirement in there? It's not currently, is it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed12:29

I don't know if it's currently in there or not, I'm not certain. I didn't quite go over it but- But that would be your recommendation? My recommendation would be a bachelor's degree is a good thing to have. Yes sir.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction12:42

So I don't need to vote on this separately, but I do think it would be good for us to ask for that to be asked for as part of the position.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed12:53

Supervisors, Human Resources, I'm not sure if they're in the Santa Barbara hearing room. If not, they are the ones who are responsible putting the job specs together with the department and I would also defer to them and ask them if that's necessary or If that's something they would find as amenable given classes of equal standing. So we could trail the item until after your first couple of D items.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed13:23

Mr. Clark is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed13:24

here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed13:28

Thank you. Yeah, we did talk, we went back and forth with the union talking about whether or not to include the bachelor's degree in the position description. And ultimately, we decided that was something that the department could use as a preference but that it would be better to have a more broad field of candidates to keep it out of the position description as a requirement.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed13:52

I see. Were you asking is there something that we should have? I don't necessarily agree, there's been other sergeants that have filled that position in the past that haven't had a bachelor's degree. So that doesn't necessarily need to be there as long as they have experience.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed14:16

Supervisor Adam? Well, I don' t have a bachelor's degree so- I don''t know whether that means that they're really mandatory to be successful in life or not but I wouldn't be able to serve if asked to. I probably could.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction14:34

I don't know if any of us would be qualified for this position with or without a bachelor's degree.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed14:42

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.8114:45

I had an opportunity to participate in the Citizens Academy and have the forensics presentation. And I asked about the education of both the people who were presenting, neither of them had bachelor's degrees but one had been a photographer. And I think life experience can serve for a degree. It may be in a supervisorial role that it would be preferable, but I don't think it's necessary from what I saw.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed15:16

I agree with that. We have a lot of experience especially in our agency and most of the forensic technicians that are there Decade or so have had quite a bit of experience in field experience that will qualify them to do that.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction15:34

Supervisor Williams? I don't need a separate vote on this, I think it's a step in the right direction to have the position and if it's not 100% to my perfect specifications, I still think it's good thing.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8715:47

Okay, do you want to make a motion because this is the only one we did not- No sure, I'll move the item. Second. Moved and seconded, all those in favor? Aye. Men opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. All right, I believe that finishes off our administrative agenda. Takes us right to our departmental items. Mr. Allen can you read item one please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:12

We need public

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8716:13

comment we sure do and I'm gone one week, and I fall apart All right, let's have public comment.

0:16 – 0:235 turns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed16:19

We do have three requests to speak under public comment today We're gonna go first to Santa Barbara for Ed Kulaski And then David Blue Wolf Diaz, and then we'll come back here to Santa Maria for Brian Tetley that mr. Kulaski

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed16:37

You put the drawing up Ken, thank you. I call my speech why is Alex Peugeot still at SBAR? And why does our government have a single person controlling our lives and yet he is not an elected official? We can't go to our, or at least I couldn't go to my previous supervisor Janet Wolfe when I tried to go speak to her about the decision she had an aide run out of the office And say no, no, no. Don't sign them up to see her.

This is how they run the department. Why when we were at the meeting where we ordered out of the meeting in 15 seconds? Why did I have to pay for the meeting only just to be told to leave? Why did the county put together a 64-page report telling us, do not locate our second story solely over the garage? But it's not solely over the garage. It makes no sense.

Why were we not allowed to speak? Why were we stripped of our civil rights? Do you have any idea how much this irritates me? Back of the bus lady if you know where that comes from. I'm sorry, this really irritates me that I'm stripped of my civil rights here. We appealed to the PC and to the Board of Supervisors. The PC apparently couldn't understand what solely over-the-garage means when it's not solely over-the-garage.

Janet Wolfe was in charge of the Board of Supervisors. That was hopeless, I couldn't even speak to her afterwards. So we got this dictator who's now retired, and we got Anne Almy who also was very creative in writing the minutes to the meetings. They had nothing to do with the meetings, whatever she could think up. I asked her to explain how it's solely over the garage.

She couldn't explain it right now. She never could. No one downstairs. You're the supervisors. You made the decision basically. Tell me how it's solely over the garage? So now we got a second in command, Alex Pujo to get passed. As I like to call him aka Heinrich Himmler if you know who that is. I listed 15 items about why he should be fired. I don't think he's even a county employee. I think he's contractor.

You know it's time for some sort of epiphany by the board here. And restore democracy in Santa Barbara. It shouldn't be for life and liberty, or excuse me, liberty and justice for those that pay the extortion fee. What do you think Alex does? That he takes control-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8719:49

Mr. Kolaski your time's up. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed19:55

Our next speaker is David Blue Wolf Diaz. Then we'll come back to Senator Maria for Brian Tetley.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed20:05

Good morning, Senator Barbara County. How are we doing today? On the back of this paper there's an indication that on March 1st over at Hammond's Chihuahua that they were spraying organic oils to kill all the weeds and plants that aren't desirable there. The funny thing is it's in red, so like I've been saying my entire life whether it's organic or unorganic or non-organic. Chemicals are chemicals and it says do not go around this area if it's wet and keep your dogs on a leash. Well, my interpretation of Hammond's was for decades you're supposed to be running your dog with a leash through that perimeter because A cemetery site that's on the federal register as a sensitive archeological site. So I'm a little confused, if they put it in red letters out of the entire page Channel Islands Restoration, it says a big story that chemicals that are toxic to animals, people, reptiles, riparian.

The cute little butterflies that we love so much that fly all over them, they get exposed to the wetness of this chemical and their history. What are we doing? Does the Coastal Commission, does the EPA know that this type of activity is going on? But anyhow, that was just a little tidbit of what I wanted to share. What I don't understand is, I've been researching extensively because the park director maybe he should recuse himself from this project over at Hammond's. Because apparently the ex-husband of one of his staff members schmoozed him to help get the restoration project going even though us native families were never informed We basically were informed through the MLD's most likely descendants that are recognized by the state.

And for those of us who are still burying our family's ashes there, it's quite vital that we're kept in the loop and apparently its Not going to happen, we're pretty upset and perhaps I mean with the park director recusing himself. Maybe we can get people who are more responsible and care about the integrity of the culture and the environment there. And who is paying for this? Is the county of Santa Barbara County Parks paying for this? Are we the taxpayers paying for this or are we allowing the private neighbors at Ocean Meadows and Bonnymead to pay for it?

Really have that much out of controlness in our government agency, where under the counter dealings are actually going on today and in this world. But anyhow, the second page real quick here is a letter on the paper chase when I hand this to the clerk here, I want the board members everybody to have a copy of it. And whoever it goes to please sign the second page so we know what the paper trail is. The community really wants to know.

Where the paper trail is once it's given to the clerk here when Michael's normally here. Thank you very much and my time.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:13

Brian Tetley?

CommentBrian TetleyProposedself-stated23:24

Good morning, I'm Brian Tetley. Thank you Mr. Chair and supervisors. I emailed a copy of this letter to the clerk this morning. I'd just like to read from it now. I'd like to take this opportunity to make the board and the public aware of their retirement this month from over a quarter century of county public service with my good friend and mentor, John Karametsos.

John's public service career was predominantly spent with the Planning and Development Department, and currently with Public Works. John has continued a family tradition of public service through his service to the county in service with local community service organizations including serving on the board of the Guadalupe de Napomo Dune Center and president of the local chapter of the Association of Environmental Professionals among others.

The Karametsos tradition of service started with his father, the late Dr. John Karametsos, a long time public health physician and obstetrician. And his mother Barbara, a longtime member and supporter of many local community service organizations. The public service legacy continues with John's siblings including his sister Dr. Carol Karametsos, the local physician in high school district board member, and his wife Kim, a long time English teacher at Rigetti High School.

Among many other projects in his planning career, John was a key member of a team of dedicated planners that worked to approve the Orcutt Community Plan. Up to this time, the only substantial plan for community growth in the county. As a lifetime resident of Orcuttt, John was that rare and fortunate person able to partake in and help direct the planning for the future of his own community.

John is one of those people that show up early to public meetings, to greet people and set up chairs. Holds a meeting then stays late to talk some more and then puts the chairs away again. For the Orcutt community plan this was the drill for dozens of meetings. This is why the late Supervisor Gray called John the unofficial mayor of Orcut. To name just a couple of the many projects that John managed for the county.

The Oak Knoll South Shopping Center, the Albertson Center, of which the late Supervisor Schwartz called the best planned shopping center in the unincorporated county and the Black Road Auto Wrecking Yard, Goat Farm and Boys Camp fortunately never approved. I consider myself very fortunate in the beginning of my career with planning and development to be seated across the hall from John.

John is one of those people that makes you want to do better in your own work In land use planning parlance, planning is a continuing tension between the two P's product and process. Although John addressed these two, John also emphasized the third P people. John is one of those public servants that with rare exception calls you back within the hour and gives you all the time you need not just for a few years but for his entire career.

Without this emphasis on the third P, the three-legged stool tends to topple I credit a large part of my success as a land use planner to the mentorship of John and a few other dedicated land use planners that shared their experiences and expertise with me at that time. So, I want to thank John for his mentorship, his friendship, the crumb, the Fitzcarraldo, and the Swan CDs.

And I invite the board in the audience in joining me in wishing John and his family along healthy and happy retirement. Thank you very much.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8726:47

Okay. Is that the end of public comment?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed26:51

That concludes public comment.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8726:53

All right, very good well we'll close public comment and we'll move on to our D agenda item 1 Mr. Allen

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:00

Chair Lavenino, members of the board. Item one is from the county executive office. It's a hearing to approve the appointment of one member of the Board of Supervisors for the Santa Barbara County Psychiatric Health Facility Governing Board.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8727:13

Unfortunately I was, well fortunately I was a member of that psychiatric health facility board that oversaw the psychiatric health facility. But it conflicts with my new duties on the Board of Retirement. They happen to be on the same day, so unfortunately I'm going to be stepping down. So I'm looking for a replacement. Supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction27:36

I believe I'm alternate right now and but I can either be the alternate or be the full time member and have another member be the alternate.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8727:47

Meetings are once a month, and they are at the Cayo Real area. Supervisor Hart?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed27:54

I'm open to being the alternate if Supervisor Williams wants to be the regular member.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8727:59

Okay. Is that a motion? Yes. We'll have Supervisor Williams as the main member and Supervisor Hart is the alternate. We have a motion. And a second? I'll second. Okay, all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Great you will learn a lot of really cool things. All right let's go to item number two Mr. Allen

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed28:25

Chair Lavinino, members of the board. Item two is from community services. It's a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the approval of action plan substantial amendments consisting of $232,000 for Camino Pescadero stairs replacement in Isla Vista third district and just to remind the board that we trailed item A to be considered and approved with this item.

Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8728:49

very good Miss Lockhart?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed28:53

Good morning Chair Lavendino, members of the board. I would like to introduce Ted Tiber and he is going to do the presentation for a public hearing to consider the draft fiscal year 2018-19 action plan amendment for CDBG grant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed29:07

Ted? Good morning Chair Lavendino, members of the board. Like I said, Ted Tiber is a New Housing Program Specialist with Housing Community Development.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed29:20

Santa Barbara County Parks Department is requesting an increase in federal community development block grant funds that were previously awarded for a beach access stair replacement project. Approval of the CDBG funds for this project requires a public hearing and submission of an action plan substantial amendment to HUD. Today concludes the 30-day public comment period on the proposed amendment.

HCD has not received any public comments on this project as of today. The Camino Pescadero Beach Access Stair Replacement Project was awarded $465,000 in 2018 CDBG funds. The project went out to public bid and the lowest bid came back $232,000 over what was budgeted for last year for a total project cost of $697,000 of CDBG funds. These increases in costs can be seen throughout the construction industry due to steel and concrete international tariffs, as well as contractor labor being in high demand for Montecito construction repairs. The project was considered by the Capital Loan Committee on February 14th who concurred with staff's recommendations to award the additional $232,000 which are available from the county's 2018-2019 CDBG allocation from HUD which are needed to complete the project.

The project is expected to be complete before June 30th 2020 This slide briefly summarizes the recommended actions for today's meeting. The board is being asked to approve the draft 2018-19 Action Plan Substantial Amendment awarding additional $232,000 to the San Barbara County Parks Division. We're happy to answer any questions you might have and that concludes the staff report for today. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8730:59

Any public comment?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed31:00

No request to speak.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8731:01

Board members? Okay, Supervisor

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction31:09

Williams. I'm waiting to make a second.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.8131:15

I just was procedurally D2 and A2 exactly how do we do that? Do we need to read A2 into the record or take them separately this one then that one?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8731:27

We're going to do them separate so we'll do D2 first and then we'll go back to A2.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.8131:31

Okay, move staff's recommendation for D2. Second.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8731:35

Moved and seconded all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay let's go back to do A2 please read that into the record please.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed31:43

Chair Lavagnino members of the board item A2 also from community services recommendations are regarding the Camino Pescadero beach access stair replacement project number 8656 this is the award of contracts in the third district

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8731:58

Okay, Supervisor Williams?

CommentSteve DeckerProposedself-stated32:00

So moved.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:01

Second.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8732:02

Moved and seconded. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. All right so we're almost done. We only have one more item. Only one. All right well let's move to D3. Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed32:21

Allen. Chair Lavagnino, members of the board. Item three is for planning and development. It's a hearing to consider recommendations running the Planning Commission Recommended ordinance amending the county land use and development code. Case number 17 ORD 5, section 35-1 chapter 35 zoning of the Santa Barbara County Code to address permitting requirements for hoop structures and shade structures.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8732:45

Okay very good. Ms. Harris are you going to lead off? Or Ms. Black?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed32:58

Mr. Chair, I guess I'm just going to waste some time while she gets herself prepared but Julie Harris will be giving the staff presentation in about-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8733:09

Take your time we're good.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed33:11

Ten seconds

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed33:56

Good morning Mr. Chair, good morning members of the board. I'll be giving the presentation and it's going to be a summary of a project that's got a lot of complex issues but and I know you're all going to have a lot of questions but if we hold them to the end I should get through the presentation about 15 minutes or so and I know you're going to have a lot of questions so let's get started.

So I'd like to touch on a very brief background and overview of the issues which brought us here today. First, since 2016 the county building code has not required building permits for readily removable hoop structures that are 20 feet or less in height and that have no permanent structural elements. The building code also exempts shade structures. However, the County Land Use and Development Code or LUDC lacks such clarity with conflicting regulations and definitions and more than one interpretation.

Most important, the LUDC does not expressly allow the use of these structures in the agricultural zones. Therefore, the Board of Supervisors included this project in the Long Range Planning Division's work program which also allowed the County Planning Commission an opportunity to review the project and provide a recommendation to your board regarding how to address these issues.

In summary, the Planning Commission's recommendation to your board is to amend the LEDC to expressly allow hoop structures and shade structures also collectively known as crop protection structures. To expressly allow these in the agricultural zones. The planning commission also recommends exempting these structures when they are 20 feet or less in height. When they do not have any permanent structural elements such as lighting, plumbing, mechanical or any other kind of electrical.

When they are located on historically, intensively cultivated agricultural lands. When they are located on slopes averaging 20% or less and when they are 4,000 square feet in area or smaller and located within the San Ynez Valley Design Control Overlay or the Gaviota Coast Critical View Shed Corridor overlay. If they do not meet these criteria, a permit exemption. I'm sorry, a permit would be required.

This ordinance amendment provides clarity regarding the allowance and use of these structures including when they are exempt and when they require permits. A clarity that currently doesn't exist in the LUDC. Staff released a notice of preparation for a focused environmental impact report or EIR to analyze the potential impacts to five issue areas. Land use, aesthetics and visual resources, agricultural resources, water resources and flooding, and resource recovery in solid waste management.

In response to the notice of preparation, staff received a letter from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife or CDFW. As both a responsible agency and a trustee agency with jurisdiction over the state's natural resources, the CDFW strongly recommended that the county include an analysis of impacts to biological resources. A program environmental impact was prepared to analyze the potential impacts that could result from the placement and use of crop protection structures throughout the county's agricultural zone lands within the inland area.

So, the EIR analyzed project impacts to the six issue areas. The EIR did not analyze the impacts of cultivation as this use is already allowed in the LUDC and exempt from permits. However, in addressing impacts to biological resources, the EIR identified how indirect impacts might result from an explicit permit exemption that could encourage and incentivize an increase in the use of crop protection structures on previously uncultivated lands.

Key mitigation measures were identified that would reduce impacts to a level that would be appropriate to allow the use of crop protection structures with an exemption. The final EIR identified three significant and unavoidable impacts to visual resources, and one to solid waste. Mitigation was identified to reduce impacts to visual resources however these impacts could not be mitigated to levels of insignificance.

No feasible mitigation was identified to address the solid waste impact due to a current lack of recycling opportunities for the plastic coverings once they wear out. The final EIR identified impacts to flooding and to biological resources that could be mitigated to less than significant levels with the identified mitigation measures. And finally, less than significant impacts were identified to land use, agriculture and other water resources such as water quality, groundwater supply and runoff in drainage.

Staff incorporated all of the EIR seven mitigation measures into the ordinance amendment that was provided to the planning commission for its consideration. After receiving public testimony and reviewing the project and mitigation measures during six hearings, the Planning Commission recommended nine revisions to the project. It should be noted that the commission's recommendation intended to work within the framework of the final EIR so as to avoid increasing the severity of any impacts that would then require pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act recirculation of the EIR.

The Planning Commission recommended changes to all seven mitigation measures. Rejecting two measures as infeasible, deleting two as unnecessary based on new evidence and revising three measures. The commission also recommended revising a requirement for the critical view shed corridor overlay and adding slopes as a new criterion for the exemption. Next, I would like to walk through each measure and the commission's recommended revisions as these are the crux of the commission's recommendation to your board.

Mitigation viz one would revise the ordinance to limit the height of crop protection structures to 12 feet within 75 feet of the right-of-way of a public road to qualify for the exemption. Its purpose, to reduce visual impacts from public roads and scenic highways. The Planning Commission recommended rejecting this measure as infeasible, as to summarize it would create an economic burden on farmers to require this different height limit along a relatively narrow strip of land creating farming inefficiencies and increasing costs.

Mitigation Vis 2 would revise the ordinance to require a setback of 400 feet from the urban boundary line of the county's unincorporated urban townships when the crop protection structures can be viewed from public roadways or other areas of public use. If the structures cannot be viewed from public areas, then the size limit would not apply. The purpose of this measure, to reduce visual impacts so as to protect and maintain the visual character of each of the nine townships which have well-defined stable boundaries that provide a physical and visual separation between the townships. And adjacent open and working agricultural lands.

The commission recommended rejecting this measure as infeasible, as it would create an economic burden on farmers creating farming inefficiencies and increasing costs. Mitigation Vis 3 would revise the ordinance to limit crop protection structures to 4,000 square feet per lot when located within the design control or D overlay of the Santines Valley Community Plan area.

If the structures could not be viewed from public roads or other areas of public use, the size limit would not apply. Its purpose, to reduce impacts associated with large exempt structures to maintain the unique neighborhoods, characteristics, community township gateways and visual community separators within the Santa Ynez Valley. The planning commission recommend revising this measure to make 4,000 square feet a permit threshold instead of a size limit. Thus, under the commission's recommendation, crop protection structures would be exempt if 4,000 square feet or smaller and require a permit if larger.

The planning commission carried forward the component of the measure allowing structures not viewed from public areas to be exempt no matter what their size. Within the Gaviota Coast's critical view shed corridor overlay, there is a similar requirement to limit the size of crop protection structures to 4,000 square feet per lot. It however was not a mitigation that was proposed as part of the project description.

It was included because the recently adopted Gaviota Coast plan includes a 4000 square foot per lot size limit on greenhouses. Which prevents large white structures from being used within the critical view sheds of US Highway 101 to protect those critical views. Crop protection structures, especially hoop structures have a similar visual effect so it seemed consistent with the Gaviota Coast plan to include the same size limit for crop protection structures.

The planning commission recommend revising this requirement similar to this three To make the 4,000 square foot a permit threshold instead of a size limit. Thus under the commission's recommendation, crop protection structures would be exempt if 4,00 square feet or less and require a permit if larger. The commission also added the element of Mitigation Viz 3 that allows structures not viewed from public areas to be exempt no matter the size.

Mitigation WR1 would revise the ordinance to limit the exemption to lands outside of a FEMA mapped floodway and require a permit for crop protection structures that would be located within a flood way. The Planning Commission asked for more information, and the Flood Control District subsequently provided a letter and testimony at hearing recommending against floodway regulatory measures for hoop structures. Stating these structures would not significantly cause or contribute to flooding impacts. Thus, impacts are essentially revised to less than significant and the measure would not be required.

Mitigation by a one addresses one of the more nuanced impacts. As mentioned earlier, CDFW made it clear that the EIR needed to analyze impacts to biological resources. The potential impacts included impacts to federal and state listed endangered and threatened species in their habitats and other protected sensitive habitats and natural communities. Grazing lands and other lands that have not recently been intensively cultivated may support protected biological resources. Thus, indirect impacts could result from incentivizing the use of crop protection structures on lands not being farmed by expressly allowing and exempting these structures.

Staff and our consultant on the EIR consulted with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, and the CDFW in developing mitigation by a one. This measure would revise the ordinance to limit the exemption to historically intensively cultivated agricultural lands. It also identified a time frame for the purpose of this mitigation regarding what is meant by historically intensively cultivated. And that is cultivation within three of the previous five years.

After discussing options regarding this mitigation measure, the Planning Commission recommended revising the timeframe for historically intensively cultivated. To aid in this determination staff again consulted with resources agencies. The commission discussed a variety of alternatives including cultivating one year out of the previous ten years and And one year out of the previous five years. But finally, the commission settled on one year out of the previous three years because the US Fish and Wildlife Service could support one year out of three. Concluding that the other longer time frames could allow too much time to pass such that California tiger salamander habitat could reestablish resulting in potentially significant impacts.

The CDFW, responding to the same question, stated a continued preference for the original three out of five years to address potential impacts to other protected sensitive habitats and state listed species. An impact identified in consultation with US Fish and Wildlife Service that was specific to the California tiger salamander is that crop protection structures near their breeding ponds would have the potential to be an impediment to this salamander's movement and dispersal due to the plastic cover extending to the ground.

So Mitigation Bio 2, which was developed in consultation with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the CDFW, Would have revised the ordinance so that to qualify for the permit exemption, any crop protection structures located within 1.24 miles of a known or potential California tiger salamander breeding pond shall have a minimum one foot gap between the bottom edge of the plastic and the ground surface to allow free movement of the salamander.

The commission asked for more information regarding its necessity. So staff consulted further with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, who in turn consulted further with their five independent biologists who specialize in California tiger salamander. The unanimous conclusion that the one foot gap allowing free movement of the salamander would not necessarily mitigate impacts to the salamander and might expose them to greater harm if they freely moved into the hoop structures. So, the biologists and the US Fish and Wildlife Service recommended removing the measure and the planning commission made this recommendation to your board.

Mitigation Bio 3 would revise the ordinance to require crop protection structures to be set back a minimum distance from streams and creeks. The mitigation requires a structural setback of 100 feet in the rural area, and a structural setback of 50 feet in the urban and inter-rural areas and in existing developed rural neighborhoods. These structural setbacks are consistent with the standard impact thresholds included in the county's Environmental Thresholds and Guidelines Manual, and community plan policies and development standards.

Its purpose is to mitigate potential impacts to riparian habitats and the species that depend on them. The Planning Commission recommended revising the measure so that the structural setback in the rural areas is also 50 feet. However, it should be noted that several community plan areas including Toro Canyon, Saninez Valley and Gaviota Coast require a 100 foot setback in rural areas.

Any use allowed in the LUDC even if exempt from permits must also be consistent with the comprehensive plan including community plans. Therefore, staff added a footnote in the ordinance amendment to make it clear that crop protection structures would also have to comply with community plan setbacks if those community plans setbacks are greater than the new requirements of this ordinance amendment.

Finally, the commission recommended adding slopes as a new criterion to determine when crop protection structures could be exempt from permits. This criterion was not considered under the project description or as mitigation in the EIR. Its purpose, to address some of the impacts to visual resources associated with locating these structures on steep slopes. It was recommended following the public testimony at several of the commissions hearings.

The commission discussed several options and recommended the exemption apply to slopes averaging 20% or less. And that a permit be required on slopes greater than 20%. To conclude our presentation, as noted on page one of your board letter. If your board makes the planning commission recommendation then follow the specific recommendation as stated on page 1. Summarized here to make findings for approval including CEQA findings and a statement of overriding considerations which are included as attachment one to your board letter.

Certify the final EIR as modified by the revision document dated March 12th, 2019 included as attachments two and three. And adopt an ordinance amending the LUDC included as attachment four. Alternatively, the Board of Supervisors has full discretion to shape this ordinance. And should you do so please provide direction to staff to revise documents accordingly to take an alternative action.

This concludes staff's presentation and we're available for your questions. Thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8751:11

All right I'll open it up to the board for questions for staff supervisor Adam.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed51:15

Right so if we could go back to slide three We're talking about plumbing here, no permanent structural elements including lighting and plumbing etc Plumbing is that irrigation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed51:35

Supervisor Adams through the chair. Irrigation is not considered plumbing and irrigation is specifically identified as an exempt use in the LEDC

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed51:44

Okay, that's good. That's good. That's great okay, and then my other comment here is this slide 12 talking about grazing versus farmed you know there's just no differential in Ag zoning You know there isn't any I just want to make the point that that ag Isn't zoned intensively cultivated or grazing It's ag, and not all ag uses are consistently appropriate. And you have to have the flexibility to go back and forth between one thing and another from time to time. And although it seems like once something goes into a use, if you've been here for five or six generations like my family has.

You will see things move back and forth in a slow manner but that's how we stay alive as we move with the times to the appropriate crops and Things to produce for the economic imperatives at that time so That's my comments on the presentation

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8753:04

Okay, are we gonna okay supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction53:07

So you're advocating for deletion of this. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed53:12

Well, just to jump to the end. I'm going to be advocating to delete the whole thing because you and I talked about a way to do this where we were going to bring it back and make findings of overriding considerations. Because we understand the economics of this thing, and as I'll quote you as saying, we don't know whether this is a proxy war for marijuana or marijuana's a proxy war for hoops.

But there's four or 5,000 acres of raspberry, blueberry, strawberry, blackberry guys out there that are getting caught in the crossfire. And that's unacceptable. That's totally unacceptable and that's not the way we went into this thing and I followed you into this thing. And so I feel really like the deep state has Taken over, and it's like we do everything here. We complicate it and use it as a pretext to make everybody get a permit for everything.

And as we've gone through time and time again, and I thought we were on the same page on this thing. That's not going to work for real agriculture. These guys that are out there trying to produce these crops have to be able to move and not get wound up around the axle like this, and that's the problem we have here.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction54:58

Well, I definitely agree that a lot of non-cannabis agriculture is getting caught up in what seems to me to be a proxy war for cannabis and that's not healthy for the county. I definitely wanted going into this process the least restrictive Regulation, I would just add to that the least restrictive regulation that's also defensible in court. Because I think what's obvious from this is that one side or the other is going to sue us on this.

So I guess I'm still searching a little bit for what makes sense but I am very concerned about Agriculture, including mostly non-cannabis agriculture that is going to be hurt if we move towards something that is too restrictive.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8756:01

Before Supervisor Hartman, I'll allow Supervisor Adam to respond to that. Well, I'm just going to read your statement

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed56:08

and I don't know what the date is on this maybe. I don' t know what the date is on this but it was, I believe it was sitting in the middle seat here when you were chair. You were the maker of the motion and said, and I quote. And part of that is exempting hoop houses under 20 feet in all cases. So we weren't looking for something the least restrictive at that time when we sent this off into the vortex. We were looking for an exemption in all cases.

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GuestAdamProposed · by introduction56:52

All I can say is that I also understand that staff wants a decision for a large exemption to be legally defensible. And so they, in my view have tried to have that analyzed in a way that they felt Could stand up and you know to litigation. I don't, I mean, I think we got a BLO for instance that a board legal opinion That shows us that not all of these scenarios are defensible, and that a lot of the theories that are out there about how we could just sort of easily jettison this whole process. And live happily ever after our unicorns and rainbows.

I think we're on a unfortunate and torturous path, and in my view this is a terrible path to get on the first place. But we're gonna have to see it through in some manner or another, and I'm personally looking for the path that does the least damage.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8758:12

Okay before I go back to Supervisor Adam, I'll give the others here chance to chime in. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.8158:18

Thank you. My question is for Mr. Gazzone, and that has to do with whether it would be defensible to take cannabis and address it separately either in the hoop house ordinance or in the cannabis ordinance from food and fiber hoop houses? And then I have some other questions besides but start there.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed58:50

Chair and supervisors, if I could have a little latitude. I'd like to talk a little bit more about the legal framework- Please do. And then hit the cannabis item head on. So what you have before you today is an option for your consideration. One option, the board as the decision maker for this is required to balance economic legal social technological other benefits against environmental benefits and that's one of the things that staffs presentation is designed to help you with.

Going back to one of the comments I would bifurcate two separate but related concepts a statement of overriding considerations looks at the benefits of a project as opposed to its environmental impacts and Related to that, but different Is a finding of economic infeasibility and those are similar but different and would be handled differently within the findings in the record.

The test for both would be substantial evidence. And this is an area where even with CEQA, I would say the legal framework that you're operating under is that when adopting a zoning ordinance. And we'll study this without CEQA first, just put CEQAs aside for a moment. Any court reviewing the board's adoption of an ordinance applies a deferential standard. Was it arbitrary or capricious versus related to the public welfare? So that's in adopting.

However, the flip side of that legal review standard is for interpreting or applying a zoning ordinance. And that standard is independent judicial review. So when we look at how planning applies the ordinance or how the board may want to interpret a provision, that gets a harder judicial review than just adopting an ordinance. Our zoning code, like many throughout the state is referred to as permissive zoning.

And that title is I've always thought of it as somewhat misleading. It's not how the code refers to itself but how cases refer to it. Permissive zoning means that which is not enumerated is prohibited so it doesn't sound very permissive. Another concept that's out there is the requirement to go through the formality of California Planning and Zoning Law. Counties that have run through this area in front of us for having a streamlined zoning process or more efficient zoning process find out that, that's not what the California Planning and Zoning Law requires.

And our code also has a provision describing that the most restrictive provisions shall control so this is the world that you're operating in and and why Everything that's coming to you is going through the process of planning and zoning law Having done that run-up I will say that the county at our recommendation had in enacting the cannabis ordinances Made clear that cannabis is different under federal law.

It remains illegal under federal law, and cases continue to affirm that jurisdictions can treat cannabis differently for zoning decisions. The test there would be wanting to have a rational basis in the record demonstrating what effects of cannabis make it differently than some form of berry being grown whether it's a security consideration or something like that. So in response to Supervisor Hartman's question, yes cannabis may be treated differently.

I would say that the record if you wanted to do so it would benefit from getting bolstered by how cannabis is different than berries if that's a direction you'd like to go. Okay. Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:02:48

Hart? Yeah, if I could have some additional clarification about the differences between the land use permit and the development plan process just what exactly does that mean for an applicant?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:03:01

Commissioner Hart through the chair. So a land use permit is a permit that is determined and decided at the staff level, it's under the director's purview or their designee with And a development plan is a discretionary permit that requires review and a decision by the Planning Commission so you have to go to a hearing And it also requires compliance with CEQA. A land use permit typically doesn't, typically land use permits are for smaller developments that would be exempt from CEQA but with a development plan you have to go through the process.

It may or may not require an environmental document if it qualifies for notice of exemption that would be the process. A development plan, I think the costs are a bit different in that a development plan you have to pay upfront a larger deposit fee. But in both cases if your land use permits complex an applicant pays an hourly fee for the actual time spent by the planner and planners going to spend more time on a development plan than a land use permit. So it is a bit of a longer process and a more expensive process.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:04:16

Is the staff level decision for a land use permit appealable?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:04:20

Yes, it is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:04:21

So it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:04:22

would

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:04:22

go to the planning commission as the appeal body?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:04:26

That's correct and then ultimately any decision by the planning commission could be appealed to the board. Okay thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:04:32

Could I just ask for clarification on what grounds what are the criteria when it goes on appeal they're rather narrow

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:04:43

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Hartman, so a land-use permit has three findings that need to be made And if I can still remember them The first is that the land use permit is consistent with the zoning ordinance and the comprehensive plan Second is that it's on the legal lot and the third That's the third And that it's in compliance with all rules and regulations. So loosely translated, that means there isn't a violation on the property. So those are the three findings. The development plan findings are much more extensive.

I don't have those memorized but Essentially that the site is adequate, that adverse impacts are mitigated. That streets and highways are adequate. That there's adequate public services. This is the key I think finding with respect to cannabis. There will not be a detriment to the comfort convenience general welfare health Etc of the neighborhood and it be compatible with the surrounding area. So I go through those findings because essentially when a land use permit is appealed to the planning commission, the planning commission sits in the stead of staff. And they still are bound by those three findings that I mentioned at the beginning of this long answer.

And with a development plan, there are much more extensive findings that they need to make when they make a decision.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:06:21

Supervisor Adam and then Supervisor Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:06:24

Mr. Gazzone, basically under CEQA we have to study things. We can ignore the advice of the, we have great discretion. We can ignore the advice of the Planning Commission or anybody else is that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:06:46

Chair and Supervisors, I'm going to limit the CEQA component to within the context of an EIR that the standard would be substantial evidence. So substantial evidence means there could be lots of great evidence over here and less great evidence over here and you could still pick The option with less great evidence, but there needs to be some rational basis in the record.

And if you were to I think of it as not ignoring the advice for example from an expert report like fish and wildlife but considering that advice And then attacking that down both prongs that we talked about, does it fit within a statement of overriding considerations? Or have you determined that it's economically infeasible and part of this ties back to what are the project objectives.

It's a little bit more complicated that but not much more complicated than looking at the information in front of you. The board is the decision maker and then applying things to both the filter of statement of overriding considerations and then the more specific filter of economic infeasibility As you're talking about discretion At the risk of making this more complicated. I would say that as the board goes through this today Your options are not just take it or leave it with a package that's in front of you there may be other options where you Direct a concept and it comes back So there are things that you can direct today and maybe take action on today Which is the package in front of you, or you could direct a change?

In something for staff to take a deeper analysis in one area and bring back other options in the future So I just want to caution that you're not stuck with it. Take it or leave it on this package

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:08:31

Okay, so I think what we're about to hear when we get the public comment is a lot about economic infeasibility and threatening ag viability And I'm just looking out there and that's my guess And I just think at the end of the day, this piece of work is just not an answer that is going to fit the strawberries, blueberries, raspberries and blackberries. It's not, this isn't. And if we can bifurcate this and inflict it on the marijuana people that's okay.

But when- I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:09:25

find that really weird coming

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:09:26

from you. Hey sorry man, like I say the relative size of these things. This is why I brought this thing in the first place and I have a little history here which I'll read later but We've been working on this for a long time. And the thing is, we have to take care of this berry industry. It's just proportionally it's huge and the marijuana guys I don't like cutting anybody out of the group but look, You have to take care of the biggest part of this thing and it's a part of a lot of different organizations.

Not mine, I don't use any hoops but that doesn't say that in two years we wouldn't find it economically necessary Those crops, so I don't know but I have to have the flexibility and all of them have to have the flexibility too. And that's the only way we pay so much lip service around here to keeping agriculture viable and all that. And from what I've seen mostly what we want to do is put it in a jar and pour formaldehyde all over it and say we preserved it.

It's not really preserving it, it's preserving it in a diorama. If you really want it to be real and functional then you have to allow them the flexibility to be able to respond as they see fit. To their economic situations and not come in and get a permit every time somebody turns around. I mean, this is just ridiculous.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:11:28

Well, I was going to weigh in later but I think I want to say something now too though is for me exactly what you said is agriculture has to evolve. But it just seems wrong, I believe. First off we started talking about this before cannabis even came along. This idea of hoops and what we were going to do with hoops and how to exempt hoops came up At least a year or maybe two years before we even started talking about cannabis.

What's happened though in the community is people, first off Most people that I talk to assume that most of what's under a hoop is cannabis, which is totally wrong. And I think it's been interesting to me because the Berry guys have actually kind of been keeping their head down because a lot of people have been coming into these meetings and saying hey, that's all cannabis hoops, cannabis hoops.

We all knew it wasn't. But we wanted to fix the problem. So I really think that this has turned into absolutely a proxy war over cannabis, but I'm not about to throw one industry under the bus just to help another industry. Agriculture's got to stick together either everybody is in it Because then the next thing is, you're going to peel off the vineyards and say they can't do something or row crops can't do something. We have the ability to make it work for everybody.

And I know what your thinking is hey let's get it done now for all the people that need it but the problem is then the next guy is going to get screwed and I don't want to see that happen so to me agriculture evolves. Hoops are another step in that evolution. The other part of that evolution is some people have decided that for them on their property, it's better to grow cannabis or hemp and that's a decision they should be allowed to make and if they need to use a hoop to do that They should be allowed to be able to use a hoop to do that.

So we're going to get into a lot of the discussions later after we hear public comment, but I think it's a mistake to try too. I think it exactly falls into the theory of divide and conquer if you allow people to start splintering off different factions and making different rules for different crops. Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Horton.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:14:07

Well, I have a separate which is just an exclusively logistical concern about how a process like this would work for our county even if we thought this was a good set of policies. Do you guys have just figure of how many development plans are currently being processed in Carpinteria? Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:14:37

Mr Chair and Supervisor Williams, I don't know off hand how many we have. I would say a handful.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:14:44

So from my perspective if a handful of development plans in Carbondaria are going to take up a significant amount of workload and take us a significant amount If we're essentially looking at a set of regulations that would mean that almost every berry hoops, set of berry hoops. Almost every set of marijuana hoops. Almost every set of hydroponic hoops would require a development plan.

How are we going to process those? Because my understanding in reading this is any hoop operation over a certain square footage would require a development plan, right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:15:31

So Mr. Chair and Supervisor Williams, maybe we weren't real clear. So the presumption is you're exempt. And there are criteria you have to meet to meet that exemption. Setbacks from streams, the 20 foot height, the no plumbing or mechanical or electrical. In the design overlays, that's where the restriction on the square footage comes into play. But in the vast majority of areas as the planning commission recommended it, presumption is they're exempt.

And most of them would be. Now there are some that would not be because of the design overlays or because they choose to be over 20 feet, or the Planning Commission recommended a slope criteria of 20%. Do you have a slide that you can go back to that summarizes those? So if you were on slopes of over 20%, you wouldn't be exempt given the Planning Commission's recommendation. But the vast majority of hoops we would expect to be exempt, just like in cannabis. We expected the vast majority of cannabis permits to be land use permits and not conditional use permits or not required development plans.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:16:53

I would expect that the majority of the non-exempt would be because Regardless of whether they're historical or not, if there is opposition to it by any other party someone's going to claim that they're not historical. And so therefore that is going to be thrown to the planning commission to arbitrate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:17:21

So Mr. Chair and Supervisor Williams, the definition of historical I think is fairly easy to meet. It's cultivation one out of the last three years. So yes you could argue that somebody could argue that you haven't been cultivating one of the last three years. The other point I wanted to make is if somebody believes they're exempt there are two ways for them to effectuate that.

One, they look at this set of criteria and they say I'm exempt and they go do what they're going to do. The other is, assuming they're not cultivating cannabis because you have to get a permit for cannabis regardless. The other is, they want to make sure that if somebody were to challenge their self-assessment of exemption then they can come into the department and ask for a stamped exemption but it can happen either way and that's how exemptions work. Throughout the county on any number of items.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:18:22

So, let me just follow up on that real quick. So for the vast majority of the Santa Maria Valley, let's just take the Santa Maria Valley historical agriculture would all be exempt? The only way, okay so then the only way it wouldn't be exempt is if they were growing cannabis, they have to go through a permit process anyway. Correct. Okay, so there is a bifurcation already built in? Yes.

Okay, so there's a bifurcation already. So you don't really need to do anything else, Supervisor Herman. The bifurcation exists. So for the vast majority of Santa Maria Valley that's done historical agriculture totally exempt, don't have to do anything.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:19:04

And Mr. Chair another way to think of it is the hoop ordinance isn't intended to regulate the underlying agriculture. So agriculture is exempt, it's not regulating the underlying agriculture. If you meet the exemption for a hoop, nothing else is going to require that you get a permit. But for cannabis, the permitting structure is different.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:19:26

Okay, we'll go right down the line.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:19:28

Supervisor Williams? I'm just reading a sentence on page five of eight in the report. I know I didn't just get this out of my head. The permit requirement would be consistent with other permitting requirements set forth in the LUDC, which require land use permits for structures smaller than 20,000 square feet and a development plan for structures 20,000 square feet or larger.

So I know I didn't just invent this so you just told me that you wouldn't need a development plan for most hoop structures. Most hoop structures in this county are larger than 20, 000 square feet.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:20:06

So Mr. Chair and Supervisor Williams, that's within the D overlay and the Gaviota critical view shed corridor overlay.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:20:15

And

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:20:15

maybe

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:20:16

a map of those

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:20:18

would be wonderful. We do have maps that we can show of those two, can't we? Because I think that will illustrate it. And then I think when we get to the Gaviota map, we'll show you what's inland because remember this ordinance only applies inland.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:20:35

At least I found out I'm not crazy and inventing in the middle of night dreams about requirements for 20,000 square feet of above.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:20:41

Well that's some evidence to show you're not crazy however

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:20:44

there

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:20:46

has been plenty on the other side. There is controversy. It's still up in the air. Are you going to put the map up? Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:21:02

One moment please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:21:24

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Williams, so this is a copy of the D overlay within the San Ynez Valley. So those parcels, so the boundary is in the thick dashed line surrounding San Ynez Valley and the shaded parcels are those parcels that are subject to the D overlay. So in this case with the mitigation, if you're 4,000 square feet or less or you cannot be seen from public roadways, you'd be exempt. If you're larger than 4,00 square feet up to 20,000 square feet it would be a land use permit and over 20, 000 it would be a development plan.

But the other thing, the difference in the permitting with land use permit versus development plan is if your project, if the hoop structure doesn't qualify for the exemption then those permits would require. Would apply, would be required. So for example the basic 20 foot threshold if your hoop structure's 20 feet or less in height and meets the other exemption criteria you're exempt. But if you're taller than 20 feet or if you put lighting in your structure or mechanical or any other kind of electrical or plumbing then a permit is required and that's where this 20,000 square foot And below is a land use permit, above is the development plan. And that stems from the basic permit thresholds that are used for greenhouses and a lot of other development throughout the county.

So a development plan is really all about when structures gets larger than a certain amount. It's really about a bigger size and scale. Smaller would be land use permit.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:23:11

And the requirement would be triggered by being in the overlay and being visible from the road?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:23:20

Okay, we're going to work our way down. Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Adam.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:23:24

Thank you. I have a comment and then a comment and a question. The first is my comment dealing with regulating cannabis separately from other crops. Legally, we can do it. I've consulted with Mr. Gazzone if we have a rational basis. So are they different? I think the security requirements are different. The fact that you have to be over 21 to consume cannabis makes them different. The fact that the state has all these regulations, that the county has all these regulations, that the federal government considers it a drug and On and on and on. So I believe there is a basis, a rational basis for distinguishing cannabis from berries. So in public comment would like to hear more about that.

I also tripped up, I think on where Supervisor Williams was. And I think it's helpful and I want to make a comment and then ask Mr. Gazzone. He's talked about this a bit but what is the current practice for hoop house regulation? That's kind of in my head. Where are we starting? Some people think that they're all exempt currently under 20 feet. But my understanding, that is although the board has a building permit regulation that says they're exempt, but that conflicts with the state building code and the state building code preempts the county building code. So these things could be challenged.

It also conflicts with our land use development code. If we're not enumerating a use hoop houses, then they are prohibited. It also conflicts with the strictest control applies. So we're in a position where hoop houses are regulated as greenhouses and the way we regulate greenhouses is a land use permit if they're less than 20,000 square feet and a development permit if they're greater than 20,00 square feet.

That's at least my understanding, am I correct? And so currently people think well let's stay with what we have. What we have is full of conflicts and puts people at risk. So we're doing this for a reason to try to protect agriculture going forward. And so there's a question in there somewhere.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:25:57

Well okay, let's go to Supervisor Adam. Well, first of all- I'm curious. I'm sorry Supervisor Adam. Apparently Miss Black found the question in there so there's an answer. Okay.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:26:15

The question I think I heard was how do you regulate hoop houses now? And the answer is exactly what Supervisor Hartman said. I think most people think they're exempt or many people think they're exempt. If you're in the cannabis industry, you know they aren't. Because right now, the only agricultural crop that needs to come into the department to get a permit is cannabis.

And when they come in and request a permit for We tell them if you want to use hoops and you're over 20,000 square feet, you have to get a development plan. Because that's the only way we can construct the rules today that we think makes sense. And the whole genesis of this project was to clarify permitting requirements and downshift permitting requirements.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:27:06

Very, very quickly, the chair said- No, I'm fine. So we haven't gotten very many permits and so cannabis is out there with unregulated hoops and that's what's driving people crazy.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:27:20

I'm going to take that as a rhetorical statement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:27:24

That was in the comment part. Yeah, well see and you know maybe this is a rhetorical question because I know that Mr. Gazzone's not going to want to answer this one but when does this become void for vagueness? Because what you have is conflicting things in the ordinance, and in the law, and in the state building codes, and all this stuff. I mean, what controls at what point? And I guess it matters when somebody sues somebody, until then it's not ripe anyway.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:28:02

Mr. Gazzone. Chair and supervisors. I think for today's focus on the zoning code, it would be helpful to put the building code in another building and Focus on the zoning code. So in 2016 The board amended the county building code To exempt hoop structures from the requirements of a building permit so I'm going to put that over Several arms lengths away from where we're at right now and focus on the zoning code. And again, as I mentioned before There's probably three concepts to keep in mind on the zoning code It's a permissive zoning ordinance a use not enumerated is prohibited I would say that's probably the biggest point and then it's got a provision on most restrictive shell control so I would say that this is not one where Ambiguity resolves to the benefit of no No, it's not regulated I think the process that's here today was designed to provide, going back to the minutes, was to consider and clarify requirements for all hoop structures.

That was July 2017. So I think what you're doing is clarifying and making this more user-friendly wherever you land on it. I'm gonna digress for a moment and say the package that planning has brought you Is the package that the Planning Commission is recommending to you? And as you think about it, I've talked about what where do you want to be on this and there are things that you can do today and there are things that you would direct come back in the future with more analysis more evidence in the record As you bifurcate out what you might want to do today or what you would want to do differently tomorrow. So I think there is a lot of discretion in this legislative area as well as with CEQA, as long as you have the rational basis or the substantial evidence in the record.

So you've got Areas as to what level of permitting would you require if any? Is one of the areas but I I think that the question about the building code. I keep separate The building code is the building code and I know we have public comment on on the use of the Building permit exemption as a in road to control the zoning code I would recommend against that approach.

I Think that the case law in this area is very critical of anything That looks like a streamlined zoning process or an end run of planning and zoning law And that's why I put the building code exemption in another spot if you wish to Clarify or change the permitting for hoop structures under the zoning code. I recommend you do so within the zoning code

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:30:48

Okay, so I'm not sure I got an answer the last time I went around this because it was it was kind of long and drawn out but You know if we were gonna make statement of overriding considerations Based on economic infeasibility and threats to ag viability, that would be supportable.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:31:19

Chair and answer writers. I again, I would bifurcate that those economic infeasibility of a particular mitigation measure is separate From the statement of overriding considerations all they typically both occur in the findings You would need a rational basis for this and substantial evidence in the record so you can get there you can get there Yeah, I mean I'm presuming that your record would come back with Evidence and analysis to help you get there and that will be part of your substantial evidence. All right Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:31:49

you OK, either all your light bulbs went out or we're done asking questions. So

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:31:58

we're too depressed at least I'm speaking for myself. I'm too depressed to speak anymore so I want to hear from the public. I can see why this took

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:32:06

seven hearings at the clinic and everybody's all over the place. All right. We can do this you're right. So let's let's get our advice from that from the public. We have what 21 speakers

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:32:18

approximately

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:32:20

I'm so optimistic, we're going to hear from them. So yes, we can do this. We'll give each speaker three minutes to speak. Mr. Allen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:32:30

Start in Santa Barbara with Jay Higgins, be followed by Anna Citron and then back here to Santa Maria for Steve Pepe. Mr Higgins?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:32:51

Good morning, Chair. I submitted my speaker slip last, was still rehearsing but thank you for hosting the hearing. Can you hear me okay?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:33:00

Yep. You can, Jay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:33:02

You think I've done this before? Sorry. I've been following this. I'm not even sure where to look but so I'll just look straight as if you're sitting here in front of me. I've been following this on and off for three years. One of my clients three years ago was reluctantly dragged into an enforcement case for putting up hoops in Lompoc without a permit and The allegation was that he didn't have a land use permit. And that, of course, was odd to me when we have very clear procedures in Carpinteria to regulate hoops and nothing in the North County. So I'm not sure I'm settled with that.

He shared with me a Public Records Act request memo that came out of P&D in 2010 Outlined at least in 2010 that hoops were not regulated by the land use process, at least if they were temporary. Hoops 10 months out of 24 or something to that effect and so I think at a minimum it's very It's difficult to defend that this is a clear and quote unquote permissive process with the zoning ordinance. It's hard to get this straight, especially if you look at the record where nobody has ever applied for a hoop house permit in North County or been granted one.

I would like to hear more about the development plan versus land use permit procedures. In my world, a development plan and staff answered this, I think halfway. Sure it's got a planning commission review procedure in public hearing but the rest of the story is that there's departmental review. And there's other ordinances in the county that allow the roads division, for example, to condition projects that have a development plan process to underground their utilities and their street frontage.

Unless there's a development plan light in play here, I'd like to hear more about how staff is not going to encumber ag projects with departmental conditions to the effect that they're treated like subdivisions. Think that's a pretty significant departure from how we want to treat agricultural products. Lastly, the planning process is nothing if not taking one construct of development regulations and trying to place it on another by way of efficiency which usually works out well. But again in this case you're taking development plan, Development standards that are for subdivisions and placing them on ag. The construct of a 4,000 foot limitation that was written in the San Ynez community plan over a decade ago was with regard to structures and houses.

And there was no contemplation of hoop houses in the San Ynez community plan side. I'd ask you to remove the VIS-3 overlay restrictions in that regard. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:36:05

Our next speaker is Ana Citrin and then we will come back here in Santa Maria for Steve Pepe.

PresenterAnna CitrinLaw Office of Mark Shutillo here today representing the Gaviota Coast ConservancProposedself-stated1:36:14

Good morning, Chair and Supervisors. I'm Anna Citrin, an attorney with the Law Office of Mark Shutillo here today representing the Gaviota Coast Conservancy and the Committees for Land, Air, Water, and Species. I appreciate Mr. Ghisoni framing this in terms of the legal requirements because those are really important and need to guide your decision here obviously.

With respect to CEQA you need to find, You need to mitigate significant impacts where feasible to do so. And that is under 15092 and 15091 of the CEQA guidelines. Now, the Planning Commission struggled a lot with this because the EIR, while it carefully analyzed impacts, the mitigation measures that it identified were perhaps not the most effective mitigation measures. And I'm particularly here looking at the visual impact mitigation measures and while there was evidence of infeasibility, some evidence, it's important to note that just an economic burden on farmers is not itself A finding of infeasibility, there needs to be facts and detail there.

And I think here the thrust was really well these mitigation measures aren't effective because they don't address the true impact of these hoops while creating economic burdens. Now this slope criterion came up at the end and that criterion really did help to mitigate the significant visual impacts. And the 20% threshold that was identified by the Planning Commission, which doesn't fully mitigate impacts. We think should be reconsidered and we would advocate the 10% slope requirement. And what we heard at the planning commission from staff is that the vast majority of berry growers Use flatlands or lands under 10% in slope. So they would not be affected by a tightening of the slope criterion, so we would urge you to do that to mitigate impacts to the extent feasible which is your requirement.

The permit path that The Planning Commission devised this as an alternative to get at some of these issues. Again, it was a good idea. I think there needs to be some further evaluation of where those thresholds are set. And I'm particularly interested in hearing more about the 20 foot I'm Would the use of a 20 foot hoop accomplish and whether we can achieve more impact reduction by ratcheting down the height for a permit exemption.

So I'd urge you to consider those things, and I know that this has been a long road but it's important to get this right so thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:39:18

Our next speaker is Steve Pepe to be followed by Sharon Merritt and that's back here in Santa Maria.

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CommentSteve PepeProposedself-stated1:39:28

Good morning, Supervisors. I'm Steve Pepe. I am the co-owner of Clopepi Vineyards on Highway 246 10 miles west of Buelton. We've lived in our vineyard since 1994. I am also a board member of the Econ Alliance. Some mistakenly think that regulating hoops will reduce cannabis. I think that's misguided and wrong. All the regulation is going to do is penalize the berry farmers.

There's a serious mistake in judgment for wine folks to sign on to the aesthetics as a justification for regulating hoops. In 1996, we were the fifth vineyard planted in what has become the Santa Rita Hills. There are now over three dozen vineyards in the Santa Rita Hills. We as most had converted grazing land and our case horses and others cattle for vineyards. In the 1990s, there was a clamor about converting the pastoral and bucolic grazing land to vineyards. There was even a letter to the editor of Decanter Magazine, a British wine magazine raising this complaint by a Santa Barbara resident. It was pejoratively described as grapescape, and aesthetics were cited as a reason to prohibit or limit vineyard development. This argument does have some merit.

Once the grape leaves fall in October-November until shoot growth in May or June, vineyards are a bunch of sticks. They're next to rusting metal stakes with wooden or rusting metal end posts. You compare that to the rolling green hills that are now present, it is not as aesthetically pleasing. Fortunately most folks on the planning commission and the board of supervisors did not adopt aesthetics as the controlling criteria for vineyard development.

Finally, I would like to say that hoops under 20 feet should not be regulated. They're temporary equipment. They move frequently. They're not used year-round. Requiring permits will result in less use. Mother Nature is not predictable and does not operate with permits. Permits will cause fewer jobs, less income to farmers. Less taxes to the county, and the county as we all know is not a financially robust organization. And nobody wins with excessive regulation. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:41:41

Our next speaker is Sharon Merritt

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:41:46

All right, I have to do this even though I totally agreed 100% Steve with what you said. We have to keep a decorum here so there's going to be things that you agree with and there's going to be things that you don't agree with. So we do something crazy here that if you agree with it you can do this otherwise we don't clap or boo. Go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:42:03

And after Sharon we will have Claire Weinman

CommentTed TiberProposed · by introduction1:42:06

Hi Sharon Merritt. I am a farmer in my previous life, I was a professor of marketing research and so I am drawn to the numbers and having looked at some numbers I have concluded we have a problem Houston. You cannot base The hoop ordinance on the EIR given significant new information that renders the EIR inadequate and you must consider this substantial evidence prior to certification of the EIR and any ordinance based on it.

Here's the beginning, the EIR estimated that there would be 67 acres of cannabis cultivated under hoops under their Sorry, what's it called when another ordinance affects this? Cumulative impacts. So they estimated 65 acres of cannabis under hoops and that was grossly inadequate at the time of the writing of the EIR but is even more grossly inadequate now that there's information about how many acres will be under hoops because there are now applications.

So currently there are 688, 10 times the number that the EIR estimated. And that 688 is only outdoor. It does not include mixed light indoor nursery manufacturing testing distribution. Outdoor, I see you squinting. I'm letting you-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:43:43

Well yes my eyes are old.

CommentTed TiberProposed · by introduction1:43:46

Not as old as mine.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:43:47

Hold this time for a second please. Her time, I'm sorry. I am not understanding that. That's 689 which?

CommentTed TiberProposed · by introduction1:43:56

Current applications available on Acela for outdoor cultivation of cannabis. Part of outdoor cultivation of cannabis is hoops. So all 689 of these acres could be hoops that is 10 times what the EIR is based on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:44:19

Okay, so that's hang on. That's 689 I just I'm with you and what I want to know is it's 689 acres? There's not 689 applications. Got it thank you.

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CommentTed TiberProposed · by introduction1:44:36

In what I submitted is a spreadsheet. And so what the spreadsheet does is it takes an application for small outdoor, multiplies it by 10,000 square feet and then divides it by 43,560. So comes back to acres. Okay in addition don't stop there, There's 264 acres currently with active small outdoor permits sitting at the state level that have not yet been applied for permits here in the county.

Some of those, one of the largest ones actually has a Sharon I'm sorry that's your time and I did hold it when Supervisor Adam was asking you questions. Thank you though we get the picture

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:45:46

Our next

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:45:47

speaker. Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:45:48

Hartman? I'm going to follow up on this later, so I just wanted to make sure I understand. I think her point is that there's 10 times to 14 times more cannabis in the permit process than was used for the hoop house ordinance.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:46:09

Right. So the overall hoop acreage though we don't know. Right now that was the acreage for cannabis, but it doesn't. Environmentally and I don't think it matters if it's a cannabis plant under there or anything else go

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:46:25

ahead. This is staffer question for staffer for County Council on what level of analysis does that merit revision? I mean most of our policy options would require recirculation of the IR a lot of them would so is that something Merits that or what in your view?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed1:46:53

Supervisor Williams to the chair. Yes, this mic is on. Couple things I want to back up and I want to make it clear I'm talking about the cannabis EIR right now not the hoops EIR two separate EIRs. If you read through the EIR assumptions, they made informed projections about the amount of cannabis that would likely occur given what they knew at the time at which they wrote the EIR. And the EIRE consultants were heavily reliant upon things like the registry interviews with cannabis operators and what their business plans showed and then what they had already learned about the cannabis industry by preparing EIRs elsewhere.

There was no cap that was assumed under the build-out scenario and they made projections. And if you read through the EIR, there's a lot of caveats and they do really good job of explaining all the assumptions that went into those projections and they make it explicitly clear those were just projections or estimates. So the EIR was pretty darn accurate at the time for estimating what is likely to occur but we need to be very careful to not conflate What is actually occurring out in the field, what is under review right now and what is allowed under the cannabis regulations. Because we knew by adopting the cannabis regulations a lot of these operators who were already operating under their non-conforming status or were not already operating but would like to operate.

We're not going to make it over the regulatory hurdles in order to actually operate. So once again, we haven't seen one cannabis operation make it through our permitting and licensing structure. Since we have a good representative sample of what is the result of the regulations you have adopted but we have not seen enforced or put into play out in the field yet. So any projections about what's actually going to occur out there is still, we haven't seen that. We don't know what the projections are and we can't evaluate whether or not the EIR projections were accurate or inaccurate at this point in time. Because

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:48:54

we don't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed1:48:54

know how much of the acreage

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:48:55

applied for will actually meet our rules and therefore be permittable. Exactly.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:49:01

All right, Supervisor Adam has a comment

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:49:03

Well, I was just going to say I think it does matter what's underneath the hoop. We have a whole bunch of, we have the vast preponderance of the hoops at least in North County nobody is arguing over and they're arguing over the cannabis hoop because there's cannabis underneath them. Well, yeah that may be true too. And if there's some of that maybe everybody that has berries should do Selena style and put signs up so and maybe some of the cannabis people will do that too.

And put a sign of a berry out there on the road next to the hoops or something. But anyway, you know the thing is- Then my daughter will want to pull

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:49:52

over and raid the blueberries.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:49:55

Well I think there's, I know a couple blueberry growers in here that would probably love to give her a tour. The thing is, we have to recognize that this fight was caused over something. And we started this in 2015. Before, yeah right exactly. Before there was cannabis so and I precipitated this because I don't like to see people out there making massive investments which is what's going on these things cost 15 or 20 thousand bucks an acre to buy the parts And it's a massive investment, and you have this berry industry being 5,000 acres. And as Ms. Merritt said, you got 67 acres of pot throwing all that 5,00 acres of berries into jeopardy. We can't have that.

I hope y'all agree with me on that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:51:02

Okay, so let's go to the next public speaker please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:51:05

Our next speaker is Claire Wineman to be followed by Renee O'Neill.

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PresenterClaire WinemanGrower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo countiesProposedself-stated1:51:16

Good morning, my name is Claire Wineman and I'm the president of the Grower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties. We represent over 170 growers, shippers, farm labor contractors in supporting agribusinesses. And hoops are essential to the commercial cultivation of raspberries, blackberries, and blueberries in Santa Barbara County.

You've been following every detail of this process, and so I'll try to recap some of our main points from the past three years in three minutes. We do fundamentally agree that hoops are an agricultural practice, and that hoops under 20 feet should be exempt under freedom of choice in the agricultural element. An exemption for hoops under 20 feet would be our strong first preference.

However, if this is not the board's desired direction we'd like to offer a few comments on the planning commission's recommendation. And these concerns are similar to the AAC letter. Wanted to start with setbacks from streams and creeks. This mitigation measure has improved in the rural areas, but I want to articulate that it could still affect lands that are currently under cultivation.

The list of exemption refinements from the AAC letter would be helpful because of how expansive what meets the current paper definition of streams and creeks are in Santa Maria Valley. So examples of situations where hoops might be within 50 feet of that would include the Santa Maria levee or the main street ditches. And so under those situations, there might be current operations that would not qualify for the permit exemption Next, slope criteria. We are concerned with this precedential expansion in the inland portion of the county.

The mitigation measure would not lessen the visual impacts below class one and slope can have an important benefit for air flow, for cultivation but also for plant protection and health. Just want to point out that a 20% slope is only 11 degrees. So if we get out our protractors, there's certainly situations that it's really not a lot. We agree that a 30% slope would have some basis in the code but do remain concerned with the precedential direction of introducing this slope criteria.

I also wanted to speak to the permitting level. So far we've really focused our efforts on the exemption criteria, but we would like to draw attention to what happens if the exemption criteria aren't met. More specifically, we would like the board to provide a permitting pathway of a zoning clearance if outside of the critical viewshed corridor or the design overlay and a land use permit if located within the critical viewshed corridor or the design overlay and not otherwise qualifying for the exemptions.

If we get to that point where, let's say that you can have 21 feet that will help with worker ergonomics or can provide labor assisting devices. We don't want to go back through a three year process so we need to have an expedient and clear pathway in both of those situations. So we appreciate your engagement on this and the planning commission is diligent. And this is something very important to our members and continued agricultural viability.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:54:18

Supervisor Hartman has a question for

PresenterClaire WinemanGrower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo countiesProposedself-stated1:54:19

you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:54:20

How many berries are on slopes? I mean, I don't expect you to have a literal answer but we've heard that most berries are in flatland and are they going up slopes do you know?

PresenterClaire WinemanGrower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo countiesProposedself-stated1:54:34

So hopefully we'll get some other public comment on that, but I think the things that factor into that are the displacement of flat agricultural lands as our valleys are developing. Again there are situations where the air flow is positive because you get that cold air moving out so it's not just sitting in the valley and so you can have that and that's really important for mold and mildew control. And so that can have a beneficial impact.

And then the relative cost of the land in the valley areas and the competition for those finite resources, and hopefully some of my colleagues can speak to that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:55:11

Okay, Supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:55:12

Why, and I just argued that at 20% slope if the road is above it looks pretty flat. If the road is below it, it looks like it's going up. But if the road is above it then the 20% slope looks flat.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:55:29

Okay? Next speaker. Thank you Claire.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:55:33

Our next speaker is Renee O'Neill to be followed by Ari Tremblay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed1:55:37

Good morning Supervisors, Chair Lavanino. Oh thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:55:47

We're going to hold your time, we're going to reset it. Hold on, wait for it. We're fine, we got a time out. You're going to need your own staff person Renee. All right, hold on. Let's get your clock running. Okay. We're ready.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed1:56:32

Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:56:33

You know what Renee? Let's go to someone else first and then we'll come back to you so that we have your visuals and everything lined up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:56:38

Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:56:38

you. Okay, you bet.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:56:39

Our next speaker is Ari Tremblay to be followed by Brian Tuttle.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:56:45

You don't have a presentation do you Ari?

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated1:56:49

Good morning. My name is Arie Tremblay, I'm the president of a company called Ferrari Metals, a leading supplier of high tunnels to California ag industry. Over the past 15 years, I've had the great pleasure of meeting farmers across the state growing various agricultural commodities. Our company has helped farmers design and engineer high tunnel solutions for the berry industry, the cut flower industry, the urban vegetable industry and the fruit industry including cherries, tomatoes, apples and table grapes.

While hoop house structures appear to be simple in nature, they provide a host of solutions for the various commodities they cover. Some of those include increase in production yields that help in the establishment of transplants and or juvenile plants that help in the reduction of water usage. They offer pest management solutions. They offer the reduction in the use of expensive pesticides, fungicides and herbicides.

They help extend the growing season and they also offer frost protection in certain cases. In addition to the above-mentioned benefits, the structures allow us to use engineered plastic film to help control an expansive list of variables. Through the use of these engineered films we can help control light transmission, light diffusion, light PAR values, UV and infrared values, and thermicity.

As our agricultural industry struggles to compete with the global markets, I-Tunnels offer a way to implement new and innovative farming methods. As proven in Europe they allow us to develop hydroponic substrate farms which will A, reduce our long term labor costs B, reduce the use of soil fumigants and C, allow us to reduce the use of water 35% to 45%. These new and innovative methods have only recently started to be implemented in our county. Any regulation in the use of high tunnels, in my opinion, will stifle the rate at which this technology becomes adopted and in turn make it harder for farmers to compete over the long term.

Respectfully I would ask that you take all of this information into consideration when making your final determination.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:58:52

Thank you very much Supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.811:58:54

Question, I understand in Europe they're starting to use more some kind of biodegradable non-plastic covering for hoops. Do you have any knowledge of that?

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated1:59:06

I've been given a few spec sheets and I am aware of a few farmers that are trialing the material both in ground over strawberries. I heard it mentioned earlier that plastic recycling is a big consideration, and I can tell you there are a number of groups that are actively working Our challenge right now is taking dirty plastic out of the field and cleaning it before we recycle it. So there are a number of groups that are working on that, and I would imagine that you'll have solutions in the next 12 to 18 months.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:59:38

Supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:59:39

And then my understanding is the materials are generally being used these days are more durable and you can use it for more than one growing cycle. Is that the case currently? On the plastic?

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated1:59:51

Yeah. Typical lifespan is three years.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction1:59:55

And some of them are getting up to five years, is what I understand.

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated1:59:59

Yes, there are different options that allow you to go up to about five years but the average is about a three-year lifespan. Got

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:00:06

it, thank you. Okay very good, thank you for being here.

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated2:00:09

Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:00:09

you. Next?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:00:10

Our next speaker is Brian Tuttle to be followed by Andrew Rice.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:00:15

We don't want to forget about Renee. Is she ready? She's getting there.

CommentBrian TetleyProposedself-stated2:00:24

Hello Mr. Chair, Supervisors I'm Brian Tetley with Rural Planning Services and I just want to talk about from an overall view what's the intent here? And I think we all agree that the intent is to exempt the hoop structures to the extent feasible while protecting resources And given that the hoop structures are considered ag implements and part of ag operations and not your typical structural permanent development.

And couple that with the county having traditionally allowed agriculture to work with a minimum in regards to permit requirements, I have the following comments. In regards to the historical cultivation, really that doesn't serve as a good proxy for habitat protection because you're still not addressing what's there on the ground. And one of the unintended consequences of doing that is that there are large areas of grazing land in the county that would be perfectly acceptable for hoof development that if not historically intensively cultivated would not be allowed to be exempt under the proposed ordinance. We think that's a mistake In regards to the design overlay and the restrictions you're considering for the square footage development of hoops, I can tell you as a county planner on both the Santa Ynez Valley Community Plans and the Gaviota Coast plant it was certainly not the intent to restrict ag operations or hoop structures from those design overlays.

It was intended for large barns and residences to restrict those views from Now, that section of Highway 101 and certainly Highway 154 is a state scenic highway. I think we should consider some different options. Is there any real reason we need to have P&D process permits for non-exempt hoop structures? It would seem to me that the Ag Commissioner's Office would be a better fit who are used to dealing with agriculturalists on pesticides and many other issues. They have on staff biologists that could look at the ground and see what's actually there as far as habitats.

And I think that would be a much better process than doing these planning permits through planning and development competent as they are in what they do. And really my key concern is the development plans, that's the wrong tool for non-permanent I'm going to talk a little bit about what we're doing here today. I'd be very surprised in given the 20,000 foot threshold. That's just one development plan threshold that exists in the land use and development code that comes from the greenhouses All other development on rural lands has a sliding scale Based on the size of the property so if you're 40 acres your maximum is twenty thousand square feet without a development plan Anything 320 acres above you're allowed up to 50,000 square feet of development again this for permanent structures without a discretionary development plan And when people throw around that-

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:03:29

Brian, your time's up. I'm sorry. Okay, thank

CommentBrian TetleyProposedself-stated2:03:31

you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:03:31

very

CommentBrian TetleyProposedself-stated2:03:31

much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:03:32

Our next speaker is Andrew Rice to be followed by Renee O'Neill.

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CommentAndy RiceProposedself-stated2:03:43

Good morning. My name's Andy Rice, fifth generation farmer in the Santa Maria Valley currently growing a variety of berries. All four of which have been mentioned here, strawberry, raspberry, blackberry, blueberry. My great-great grandfather started growing beans and sugar beets in the 1860s in Santa Maria. I grew up driving farm walls and irrigating potatoes.

With the exception of farm walls, none of these things are still around today. And my point is that agricultural has to adapt. It's a dynamic industry. We're really good at adapting but we have to have the ability to do so. Production agriculture is a dynamic industry. We must be nimble enough to survive increasing regulations in other areas of our business. Hoops provide numerous advantages to production in our county, the work environment which I think we forget about a lot because that is one of the reasons that we use them, production curves, protection from weather and water conservation which was previously mentioned. Without their youth, the reason for growing in the Santa Maria Valley just doesn't exist.

What will agriculture look like in 5, 10, 20 years? I guarantee if you went back and were able to ask my great-great grandfather, my great grandfather, my grandfather, my dad to project or predict what agriculture was going to look like today. None of them would have been correct and we can't predict what it's going to look like in another 10,20,30,40,50 years whatever it is.

We have to have the ability to use these tools because we don't know what it's gonna look like. We didn't know that the hills outside of Santa Maria, that are over 20% slope were going to be farmed way back when. Back then everyone shot for flat ground because they were furrow irrigating. Now we have computer irrigation systems, we have pressure compensating drip tape, all of these tools that allow us to adapt and farm ground that couldn't previously be farmed. That's exactly what hoops do.

We simply don't know what the future will look like, but one thing we can assure you is that the ability to adapt is critical. And without it I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that production that is currently in Santa Maria will shift south and when I say South, I mean Mexico. A decision to pass this is a decision against farming and a decision that will no doubt negatively impact business and the families that have worked to build these communities.

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:06:20

Our next speaker is Renee O'Neill to be followed by Andy Caldwell.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:06:28

Good morning again, Chair Lev. I'm sorry, Supervisor Lavinino and other supervisors. The following images reflect the impact of cannabis hoop house expansion in Tepeskaya Canyon and our county. It was never the intention of Santa Barbara County to use hoop structures for high intensity agriculture that produces up to six harvests per year using lights and other manipulative manipulations.

Tepeskay community is besieged by the use of generators to light, heat and ventilate hoop structures. It is besieged with 24-7 illicit cannabis activity, noise from chainsaws, bulldozers, commercial levels of traffic, lighted hoops and other criminal activity. In 2017, the EIR never anticipated the erratic uncontrolled expansion of cannabis development in this county.

Industry growers push against county and state regulations for one purpose, and one purpose only. And it's all about the mighty dollar folks to benefit themselves. I want you to ask yourself this. Since California growers already produce more cannabis than the state demands, what is their justification for using hoops? to manipulate their plants for unnecessary production.

I ask you to think about that. I also would like to know why this county ever raised the roof On hoops from 12 feet to 20 feet. When did that happen? Traditionally, agriculture has been at 12 feet. I want to see a cannabis grower that is 20 foot tall or a plant that's 20 foot tall that requires a 20 foot high structure. So again, I ask you what is the purpose of these hoop houses for cannabis?

It has nothing to do with berry growers, so I would appreciate it if you would consider prohibiting hoop houses for cannabis. It would solve a multitude of problems regarding the number of complaints you're getting and potentially having to redo the entire EIR. Thank you. Don't turn off the speaker, I'm not in the conference.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:09:38

Our next speaker is Andy Caldwell to be followed by Nancy Emerson.

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GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:09:44

Chair Lavenino, members of the board, Andy Caldwell representing Colab. I want to talk about your discretion and the difference and distinctions that should be foremost before you. Discretion, distinction, and differences. Number one, we already know that there are hundreds and hundreds of acres of berry hoops here that nobody else ever asked for a permit for them to be used. Secondly, your planning and development director issued a determination no permit necessary but that's what kicked off this whole thing. So you had past practice in an official opinion nonetheless were in this mess that we're in. With regard to discretion, I'm not here to throw pot under the bus because I'll come back to defend pot. But there's a very important distinction you are not making.

Marijuana is not an ag crop. So when your land use ordinance talks about ag development and ag improvement that does not apply to cannabis. So you do not have to lump the two together, you shouldn't be legally allowed to lump the two together because they're not the same. And Chip Wolbrant hopefully will give you his tutorial on the difference because past boards made a difference, a distinction between ag development and ag improvement.

These hoops are a tool, they're not a structure. They're not a building. And so what I'm asking you here is use a staple instead of a machete to make the distinction necessary to allow bare hoops to continue to be exempt as they've always been treated as being exempt. The issue with regard to slopes and creeks, we don't support the restrictions. There is no problem you're trying to solve here with regard to berries.

There was no problem that required a compelling government interest to create this EIR. It was simply the fact that your land use codes were a mess and they were inconsistent, and somebody wanted to go from 12 feet to 20 feet. So this is a solution in search of a crisis. You may have a crisis with regard to pot, but that's a different issue and that's why you have a marijuana ordinance. That's why you require all marijuana growers to get a permit, but no berry growers have ever been asked for a permit.

Don't mix those two together. Use your discretion to respect differences and distinctions between pot and everything else. And like I said, I'll be back here to defend pot when that issue comes up. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:12:52

Our next speaker is Nancy Emerson to be followed by Diane Baker.

PresenterNancy EmersonSan Dines Valley We WatchProposedself-stated2:13:01

Let's see. Board of Supervisors, in the absence of the Chair. I'm Nancy Emerson representing the San Dines Valley We Watch. Our thanks to the Planning Commission for recognizing that one size does not always fit all and addressing slope and design overlay protection in the San Dines Valley issues that may be important in other regions of our county too. All may not realize that it took years for competing interests to reach compromise and adopt our community plan and its EIR.

Its design overlay areas include portions of the three highways crossing the valley plus Alamo Pintado Road, the scenic roadways most traveled by residents and the 1.5 million tourists who visit our valley annually. We ask that other interests respect the fact that tourism, including our wineries is vital to our Valley's economy. I don't have figures and I hope staff will get them because I think it's important to realize that there are other economic interests here.

Reading our tourism websites makes it clear that the rural scenic vistas are an important part of tourists' experience. Some regulation of hoop structures is necessary, which the ordinances EIR recognizes. These are the regulations we request. The intent of the design overlays is to protect the view corridors visible from the valley's most used roadways, and we ask you to find a way to honor that intent. Design review is one very useful tool.

Two, we continue asking that only hillsides with a 10% or less slope be exempt from review. This will significantly mitigate the problems inherent in hoop structures on steeper slopes. Our valley's hillsides are an important part of its visual beauty. Hoop structures reflect sunlight and on slopes it causes glare problems for neighbors near and farther away, and visitors.

Three, please prohibit lighting in hoop and shade structures. Four, honor the community plan setbacks for riparian areas. Five, please protect our fire hazard areas by including propane in the prohibited utilities list. And finally we are concerned about unintended consequences of this ordinance We think separating the ordinances might be a solution. At a minimum, make it clear that hoop structures associated with cannabis are not exempt from permits. Thank you.

Our next speaker is Diane Baker to be

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:16:24

supervisor Williams has a question.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:16:26

I just have a follow-up question for staff prompted by Miss Emerson's comments Is is it only in Carpinteria that the lighting is already? Prohibited or is it what's the current state of things? I mean In most of the design, in most of the carpentry and apparently not everybody but most of carpentry it's already prohibited. So is it not already prohibited in the north?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:16:55

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Williams, lights are prohibited in hoop structures. It's part of the definition of hoop structures and shade structures which is already on the books. No lighting, no electrical, no plumbing, no mechanical, nothing. So basically it's what you're getting with hoops is what you see when you just go out east of the 101 over here and you see hoops that are installed over berries.

It's nothing but the steel frames and the plastic covering with ropes lashing it down. That's it, and that's what this ordinance is making very clear that the permit exemption is for those structures that have nothing else in them but plants.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:17:41

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.812:17:45

That's the regulation, but the reality is now because people don't have permits we see a lot of lights and hoops.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:17:54

Right. Now, I'm sorry Nancy, no more public comment so next up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:18:02

Our next speaker is Diane Baker to be followed by Blair Pence.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:18:07

Good morning. And thank you for the opportunity to speak with you as a concerned citizen and a voter in our community. As a healthcare professional and a pediatric nurse for over 25 years, I've worked with children having long-term health care issues as a result of environmental insults, particularly air quality. Like many of us, I am fortunate to live in our beautiful Santa Ynez Valley. For the past year when I walk outside our home Overwhelmed by the stench and odor of the cannabis growing under hoops surrounding our property. In addition to myself, our employees and others visiting our property complain about this same stench.

They also are complaining about experiencing significant headaches. Additionally, we have two small children on the ranch and the lovely community of Buellton is less than a mile away, also with many, many children of school age. People live and work here in this space. I'd like to thank Supervisor Hartman for reminding us that both the federal, the state and the county government consider cannabis a drug.

While its growth has been approved by the state it is each of our counties responsibility To interpret, manage and enforce its growth in our respective areas. The use of hoops to extend the growing season, the intensity and the quantity of cannabis greatly intensifies the impact of this malice first odor and the general welfare of individuals living and working in this area.

To wrap up, and I would like to thank Renee for her earlier presentation with all the photos that show you what the reality is versus what the numbers are. I have two questions for our supervisors to wrap up. One, do you have cannabis growing under hoops in your neighborhood?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:20:25

We're not going to respond, so go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:20:26

ahead rhetorically. And second, if your granddaughter or your grandson lived next to these growth areas, how would you vote on this ordinance? Again I thank you for your consideration in this matter and for your time.

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated2:20:42

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:20:44

Our next speaker

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:20:45

is-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:20:45

Supervisor

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:20:45

Williams. Since it's timely, I'll just say I live in Carpinteria and on the north side of the Carpinteria, so I live three blocks from the closest marijuana grow.

CommentAndy RiceProposedself-stated2:20:54

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:20:56

Our next speaker is Blair Pence to be followed by Peggy Brierton.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:21:00

And my two little daughters age three and seven months.

CommentBlair PenceProposedself-stated2:21:06

Good morning, I'm Blair Pence. I am the owner of Pence Vineyards and Winery. We're at 1909 West Highway 246 just a little west of Buellton about four miles. Berries are a big, I don't want to say that they're not important but there's a lot of other people who have invested in this county as well. To wit, we've invested over $20 million in our business in this county.

We employ 30 people and only four of them are at the minimum wage level. I spent the last five years navigating the approval process for an estate winery facility. That'll be another $10 million investment. Our key business strategy is to bring customers to the vineyard to experience the beauty of our county. Direct consumer business is critical to the winery business, and in fact it comprises two-thirds of our revenue.

So right now they see acres of tattered plastic and per the EIR I don't know where that goes. And it's on slopes which really makes a difference. And more importantly their noses are assaulted by marijuana so much for savoring the aroma of our wines. So as a prudent businessman, I have to have a contingency plan. Napa County recognizes the value of this wine industry and it bans activities that put it at risk.

Other wine producing counties have acted similarly. So my alternative plan is to harvest the grapes here and truck them up there. Santa Barbara County can keep the minimum wage jobs and the value add can go where our business is appreciated. The winery approval process almost succeeded in driving us out. It was tough, but the failure to control big cannabis interests will be the nail in our coffin.

So it's really your choice as supervisors either to ignore your own EIR and if you do, our choice would be to leave. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:23:17

Supervisor Adam. I just wanted to make an observation here Mr. Pence is clearly got a significant economic interest in his winery and everything but to talk about the $15,000 for the 5,000 acres of parts out in the field here that's 75 million dollars worth of parts so that berry industry is is excuse me Is got a tremendous amount of investment in their fields too.

Yep, okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:24:00

Our next speaker is Peggy Brierton to be followed by Bruce Steele

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:24:04

Thank you supervisors for this opportunity to speak to you. I support honoring the D overlay zone, but it's going to take more and some more work from you. We can get this done. It can protect farmers and it can protect us non-farmers as well. North County is diverse in this landscape. Santa Maria and Lompoc Valleys hold the lion's share of the ag land. They're wider, broader and with usable flatland concentrated residential development areas. This is in stark contrast to the Santa Ynez Valley.

St. Ness Valley with its steeper slopes, wineries along scenic roadways drawing tourists from around the world. Residential developments are scattered throughout. This will negatively impact a 20% slope will devastate this area. It should be 10%. I mean, that's I think it's obvious when we saw the slides that we saw at the Planning Commission. When they showed the slides of what a 10% slope was, it became evident that 10% was adequate.

To limit this project's class one visual impact, the exemption should not be 10%, it should be for 10% slope or less. Now Planning Director Black stated at the January 17th meeting that there was a lot of permanent hoop structures out there. Well, that was not discussed as permanent hoop structures during the planning commission meetings. There should be no permanent hoop structure. At all. So I would say in addition to your page three, add no permanent hoop structures or structural elements lighting plumbing etc.

And not long ago 12 hoops 12 foot hoops were fine. I mean we all lived with them and there was not a problem then all of a sudden 20% came along at the same time cannabis did And they keep wanting to go higher and higher. I think 12 feet is fine, maybe 16. We need to be flexible for the farmers. It could be possibly 20 with a permit but we live in windy coastal valleys here. Have you been here lately when we had that last wind gusts and plastic was flaying all over the place? We have another wind advisory today.

So as you go higher and higher, you've got to take that into consideration as well. And clearly, hoops should not be for cannabis. It can easily Eliminated from them, I think that it should be in the cannabis. So according to Sharon's here and she ran out of time, if cannabis is included in this ordinance, the EIR is invalid for the ordinance to be based on the EIR.

Hoops for cultivation of cannabis must be removed from the permit exemption. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:27:05

Our next speaker is Bruce Steele to be followed by Steve Decker.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:27:09

I have a question on that real quick, Ms. Black. Cannabis under hoops has to be permitted correct? It cannot have an exemption?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:27:20

Mr. Chair that's correct.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:27:21

Okay thank you.

CommentBruce SteeleProposedself-stated2:27:27

Hi my name is Bruce Steele. I'm a farmer. I have 30 acres it's in the D overlay. I followed this process through the planning. I went from three meetings, something like that and I think what the Planning Commission did was pretty much the job they're supposed to do and I think that the results of what they did is fairly reasonable. Having to have one year of cultivation in doesn't prohibit somebody from developing their land out, it's one year.

And in that year you have to get your wells, you have to change from grazing over the crops, you have to go into a registry and document your well use and nitrates and testing and well. So there's a lot that has to go on when you transfer from grazing over cultivation. In the D overlay, I'm a farmer there. And I can understand people's concerns about having inter-rural zoning so we have 30 acre lots right up against subdivisions and I can understand where somebody be concerned about having a cannabis grow. And I know that's not the whole point of this discussion today but I don't particularly want 77 acres right next to me either.

My property is going to be worth less, that's just how it is. When the Valley Plan went through my property used to be zone AG 110 and they down zoned me or up zoned made me 240 so now I'm legally non-conforming but at the time I said well I don't particularly want our rural land all divided up and put houses everywhere. So you know that everybody talks about change, and change includes there's a lot of going to be a lot more growth than what we've seen now includes urban development. And we have to find some way to make agriculture and urban development match up. So here I am. I'm in the overlay. I support what was done.

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:29:49

Our next speaker is Steve Decker to be followed by Brian Grazer.

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CommentSteve DeckerProposedself-stated2:29:59

Chairman Lavinino, members of the board, I'm Steve Decker. I own Westover Hills Farm just north of Solvang in the San Inez Valley. I am a current applicant for a land use permit for a cannabis mixed light project but that's not why I'm here. I'm here in defense of ag in general. I am very surprised to see, based on the hoop ordinance EIR that 98% of the Santa Anas Valley planning area is zoned agriculture. 98%, so it's an agricultural community according to this EIR.

Santa Barbara County comprehensive plan policy on ag is quite clear. Land designated for agriculture shall be preserved and protected for agricultural use. The integrity of agricultural operations shall not be violated by non-compatible uses. And that word shall is an imperative. And I have the feeling that this ratcheting down of the regulations on agriculture is violating this policy.

The 4,000 square foot per parcel kick in, 4,00 square feet even on an AG 1-5 property's minuscule. It's a percentage of the overall acreage, it's nothing. So that is a further screwing down or rationing down of ag use within the agriculturally zoned areas. And as for the legality of cannabis folks, it's going to be legal nationwide within a few years and it's going to get descheduled. The UN World Health Organization has called for it to be descheduled across the world. 33 states in the United States currently legalized medical use of cannabis, 10 states are fully legal, it's coming.

And as for hemp, hemp is already legal nationally now as of the new farm bill. And the state of California is already promulgating its regulations on hemp growing. So you're going to have hemp growers wanting to grow hemp under the state regulations and so forth, then it's legal. So where are you going to go from there? I think this whole amendment should be reconsidered because it's an overkill, it's overstepping, and it's putting the screws to Ag.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:32:31

Our next speaker is Brian Gresser to be followed by Nate Diaz.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:32:39

Good morning, I farm strawberries and blueberries and blackberries here in Santa Maria. And then also we farm in four other counties, coastal counties. And this is the only county that I'm aware of it has any consideration for everybody else we can farm as you want to farm and as we see feasible and you guys aren't that way and as far as some of the regulations, From the creeks, I would already have to take some blackberries out because they're inside of that 50 feet.

So that wouldn't work for us right now. As far as back to the historical ground, that isn't true either because if we want to go organic sometimes we'll leave it fallow for three years and now it's out. So that isn't, and then we always farm it before we put the hoops. I don't see where we need to wait a whole year to put the hoops in. And then as far as the slopes, we shouldn't be able to make the economical decision on if it's feasible for us to farm those hoops and not you guys. So that was it. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:33:48

Our next speaker is Nate Diaz to be followed by Sarah Rotman.

CommentNate DiazProposedself-stated2:34:00

Good morning. My name is Nate Diaz, I'm a third generation farmer out of Carpinteria. My wife and I have a farm on the west tip of Design Overlay It's simple. Where we live, we need hoops to survive. It's crucial to our survival. Hoops are important to me as trellises are to vineyards. I don't know how many people complain about hoops have to make a living working underneath them like I do.

Please do not impose any regulation on hoops under 20 feet in the design overlay. It would crush my farm, it wouldn't make it possible for me to live. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:34:46

Supervisor Williams has a question

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:34:48

Well, as a neighbor I just want to make sure you know that the carpentry overlay is not included in this. It is the greenhouse overlay is not a design overlay.

CommentNate DiazProposedself-stated2:35:00

I live in the valley.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:35:01

Oh, I thought you just-

CommentNate DiazProposedself-stated2:35:02

On the western tip of it. Okay,

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction2:35:06

got it. That was the confusion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:35:10

Our next speaker is Sarah Roteman to be followed by Josh DeFriel

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:35:17

John. It's his brother.

CommentSarah RotmanProposedself-stated2:35:23

Me, technology, not my friend. Good afternoon, morning. Not sure what time it is. Hi everyone, thank you so much for taking the time to see us today. My name is Sarah Rotman and I am a farmer. I'm not a wealthy Los Angelino with a weekend vanity project. I am not backed by big private equity money nor do I own a bank in Missouri. I am Santa Barbara farmer in the third district of North County and together with my husband, a third generation farmer from this county also we own a 63 acre parcel in the design overlay. We are a small family farm and we rely on hoop houses for our survival, period.

The notion that going through a costly and time consuming permitting process to secure more than 4,000 square feet of hoops for growing which is less than a tenth of an acre could do anything for a working farmer belies a deep lack of understanding of the basic farming practices and economic realities of farming in Santa Barbara. The design overlay represents 8,500 acres of the finest farmland in the county. With most of the farms there being under 100 acres in size. This means that these farmers need hoops more than anyone in the county in order to survive as farmers.

The agricultural element and the stated mission of the County of Santa Barbara's governing bodies is to protect the agricultural heritage of this community. This applies to all farms, not just those outside of the design overlay. To place the imagined sensitivities of our potential tourists and neighbors who seek to force their aesthetic point of view on the entire county over protecting our community members and local farmers runs counter to the law of the land and the stated purpose of this governing body.

It also runs counter to larger voter sentiment. In the weeks leading up to this meeting, we canvassed voters from every district in Santa Barbara County to discuss this issue. The signatures and written comments from our petition have been handed in for the supervisor's review. And what we learned was that the people of Santa Barbara County overwhelmingly and enthusiastically support the needs of farmers both in and out of the design overlay and in and out of cannabis.

The people we spoke to understood how hoop houses are a vital tool for cannabis and berry farmers alike, and by extension our whole community. In three short weeks we garnered over 1,000 signatures and comments from voters who believes farms should be allowed to farm with hoops. And since it's unfortunately become the subject of today's meeting I'd like to remind folks that legalizing cannabis was voted for by over 60% of Santa Barbara residents.

Cannabis farmers working in the legal market face and must adhere to the strictest environmental controls of any agricultural crop anywhere. These rules not only apply to us but are enforced through inspection, permitting and sign off from multiple government agencies. And are enforced through mandated testing of our material that measures contaminants in the parts per billion. That means we simply cannot use any harmful sprays, insecticides, fertilizers or waste any water.

No other crop operating in this county or the state can say the same. And as a person dealing with chronic illness, if I were to pick a crop that I wanted planted next door to me it would indeed be cannabis. I urge you not to restrict hoop houses on agricultural lands any further and to reject these measures. Thank you so much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:38:20

In my apologies our next speaker is John Defriel to be followed by Olive Cadwell.

PresenterJohn DeFrielLompoc Valley Cannabis AssociationProposedself-stated2:38:29

Good afternoon, Chair Lavinino and fellow supervisors. I'm John DeFriel, a farmer in the Santa Ana Valley and president of the Lompoc Valley Cannabis Association. We recently had changed research at third party polling agency poll just shy of 1,000 Santa Barbara County registered voters. I'm trying to understand public sentiment towards the cannabis industry here. It came back 76% of voters want the supervisors to support a strong regulated cannabis industry, and that's even higher than the people that voted for Prop 64 because we also found that 54% of people that voted no on Prop 64 now wanna see the industry be supported by the county.

This represents a shift that's happening rapidly nationwide towards people having an acceptance for cannabis. This is reflected federally as well, both the House and Senate are putting competing bills in to legalize cannabis in various ways. The problem we have is with the lack of bipartisan support, neither party wants to allow the other party to get a win as we approach the next presidential election. So we're seeing policy stagnate but it actually has bipartisan support for legalization just whose bill wins is to be determined.

That being said, if we see federal legalization in the next 24 months or so and we have increasing global competition in all commodity crop types. It would seem the best position to allow farmers have as many opportunities going forward and I would imagine you will see several berry farmers also seeing interest in participating in the cannabis industry as legalization moves forward. I estimate it would take about 10,000 acres of production to supply the contiguous United States with cannabis production.

It's still a relatively small number but I think you could see increasing production over the long term in Santa Barbara County to supply the federal market. California is ripe once interstate commerce has allowed it to supply the rest of the United States with cannabis much like we supply 80% of the leafy greens. One thing that isn't mentioned, it's one thing to say that this is economically infeasible for farmers. But what hasn't been mentioned is all of the jobs and the farm workers and their families. So we have 85 employees at our business in cannabis.

There are tens, hundreds, thousands if not tens of thousands when you put berries and all crops together so you have to consider the economic impacts of increased regulation and how this is going to affect the farm workers and their families as well. I'd like to point out of our 85 employees, not a single one of them is minimum wage.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:41:12

Thank you. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.812:41:14

Quick question. Hemp is now legal to grow. How does hemp work with cannabis? Can you grow them together?

PresenterJohn DeFrielLompoc Valley Cannabis AssociationProposedself-stated2:41:23

So it's kind of an irony, hemp and cannabis are both of the genus cannabis. They are really one in the same. The only distinguishing factor is the percentage of THC so 0.3 or less percent THC is classified as hemp any more than that it's called cannabis even though they're both cannabis It's essentially the same plant there's just one molecular difference

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.812:41:48

But that wasn't my question My question is can you grow them next to each other?

PresenterJohn DeFrielLompoc Valley Cannabis AssociationProposedself-stated2:41:53

Yes, you can grow them next to each other.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:41:55

And do they smell the same?

PresenterJohn DeFrielLompoc Valley Cannabis AssociationProposedself-stated2:41:57

It depends on the varieties you go. There's a diversity of odors but yes, they can smell the same.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:42:02

Thank you so we just keep continue receive more public comments. So at this point I'm going to close off if you don't have a slip in yet We're not going to receive any more public comment. We just received another five. So we're going to continue to go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:42:18

Our next speaker is Olive Cadwell to be followed by Chip Wolbright.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed2:42:22

Hi, I am a manager at Tutti Frutti Farms. We are a certified organic vegetable farm that my father started in 1988. We have been using hoop houses since the 80s with our farming practices. Increasingly so today we rely on roughly 34 acres of hoop houses for vegetables all year round. I would like to mention also that I may be the only produce farmer here, I'm not sure. Unfortunately this meeting was made on a very popular Farmer's Market Day and I know I'm probably one of the few that could actually slip away from work to be here to represent the farmers.

We sell to local farmers markets since the 80s, local restaurants that I'm sure we've all enjoyed. Tutti Frutti Farms alone last year donated over 80,000 pounds of produce to people in need in Santa Barbara County. We are one of many farmers in this county who grow fruit and vegetables, including the Organic Givens Farm, Golden State Papaya, who rely on hoop houses to farm. If you're going to start scrutinizing our farming methods and narrowing down the usage of hoop houses we will be severely impacted in this community. You will see higher vegetable prices.

You will see less availability of fresh local produce and you will all be enjoying Mexican grown vegetables because they are using hoop houses.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:43:51

That's it, thank you. Our next speaker is Chip Wolbrant to be followed by Joanne Finley.

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GuestWilliamsProposed · by introduction2:44:02

Mr Chair, members of the board I'm going to try and I find oftentimes that's the best thing to do. And, and I was here in October. Um, I understand you did get the BLO that you requested in October. I'm sorry I haven't seen it. I think sometimes attorneys can both be very smart and yet disagree with each other. And so, you know, I'm happy to talk to Mr. Gazzone but I don't agree that there's not a lovely Rainbows and unicorns solution here that in fact can be effective. If I want

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed2:44:38

to believe,

GuestWilliamsProposed · by introduction2:44:40

if I could please have...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed2:44:41

That's my phrase. Rainbows and unicorns. It's the bank of rainbows and unicorns is where we get all our money.

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GuestWilliamsProposed · by introduction2:44:55

Do I get my time yes you do. This is this is from the staff report from the table that you have in front of you and if you look at the existing language in your existing zoning ordinance in these existing And this was, everything's gonna get simple about 10 years ago when you added these tables to your zoning ordinance. There is a provision in there that already has cultivated agriculture orchard and vineyard and it is exempt, that's really clear. Then if you go to your definitions, and your definitions do have some purpose in your zoning ordinance.

There are definitions for two terms, one agricultural development which is a regulated set of activities and the other is for agricultural improvement. And then if you go to the definition in the inland area only for what is development and only development is regulated by your land use development code. In the inland area, it expressly states agricultural improvements as defined are not considered as development within this development code. You need to read this all together I haven't seen the BLO but the words in your zoning ordinance need to all mean something and they need to work together and right now they do. Right now if you have exempt cultivated agriculture And you have a practice or structure that meets the definition of agricultural improvement.

Then you don't require a permit and so my recommendation for you today again very simple thing if you can go up again a little bit on here. There are a series of footnotes in this table. I suggest you add, at two places, footnote number seven. If you go up a little bit higher, you see the first place I suggest, footnote number seven is for the term cultivated agriculture.

And then go down and just repeat what's actually in your existing zoning ordinance and confirm that for existing exempt cultivated agriculture this is not going to have anything to do with cannabis which is separately regulated but for existing exempt cultivated agriculture. Just confirm that your definitions already say it is not development and no permit is required. I think then you can turn to your cannabis ordinance if you want to regulate hoop structures or other things for cannabis, thank you very much.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:47:48

Our next speaker is Joanna Finley to be followed by Lisa Bedrocky

CommentJohanna FinleyProposedself-stated2:47:55

Hello, good morning. My name is Johanna Finley. I own Finley Farms. I am a first generation farmer in the Santa Ynez Valley. You don't hear that very much. It's nearly impossible to afford and although I don't have your typical high tunnels that most of us are debating over we use various hoop structures small to large with shade Cloth, woven fabric and plastic a variety of things. The land I own is not actually in the development overlay however we lease additional land so altogether we farm 70 acres right now and the leased land changes from time to time I just want to, although I'm so glad most everybody that spoke before me raised every point I almost wanted to make. So I'm happy for that because I'm nervous to get in front of you.

However, I want to be sure that you are all pleased considering the unintended consequences this will have. We should be able to choose how we will farm, what we will farm. We could not have bell peppers in the middle of summer without our shade cloth over. Shade cloth can't also just lay straight on the plants it must be lifted up there needs to be air flow in the plants. We're certified organic, we are not spraying, we don't fumigate.

The 20 foot I think people are questioning why can it be 12 feet, 20 feet? There needs to be airflow if you don't have air flow the crops will die. If you have specific questions about this and why things can't be certain ways You do have a room full of farmers that I think could answer this so the unintended consequences of my utmost importance for you to all consider.

For the record, some of the crops that we grow under tunnels are tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, melons, celery, basil, arugula and strawberries. So as I'm not a big berry man it still would affect me potentially and if I could Install properly the hoops. I would use them It's an incredibly amazing feat what these farmers do with these things they completely fall apart Super easily if you don't install them correctly the wind like has been mentioned The plastic must be secured it's it's not just for anybody.

And it's really an agricultural amazement what has been happened, so that's it thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:50:46

Our next speaker is Lisa Bedrogi to be followed by Mark Preston

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed2:50:53

Morning Chairman Lavinino, members of the board. I'm not sure if you received my letter there is a mix up okay? I'm glad you did find it because I will be referring to it and some of the attachment attachments they're in First of all, I have to I'm really happy and pleased that Chip Wolbrandt and I have collaborated on our argument I've been saying all along that the table on the zoning ordinance already exempts hoops by virtue of referencing cultivated agriculture orchard and vineyards Now, to say that the support infrastructure therein needs regulation is counterintuitive. It would be like saying the plastic covering for strawberries or the trellising for vineyards or the irrigation lines for row crops also require regulation and God forbid we get to that place.

Another analogy I would say, it would be like saying that a building yes is subject to a land use permit. But if you say the walls therefore which hold up the building require a permit as well. It's already in your zoning ordinance that cultivated agriculture is exempt and it is clearly defined as Chip has pointed out time and time again as not a development.

And so therefore, I think there's been fair argument to be made that this ordinance is not necessary. It's been a long journey however and I think there has been a lot of really sound solid attempts to come up with reasonable solutions. The Planning Commission definitely grappled with this for a very long time, so I don't envy you in the seat that you're in today.

Just to make a couple of points over land use permits versus development plans is huge. A land use permit still requires parcel validity, so that does trigger regulation of agriculture. If you're looking for substantial evidence I will say your substantial evidence in not supporting an ordinance to regulate hoops is that California which State in the US of farm production lost an estimated 1.3 million acres of ag land to development during 1992-2012, and that's while the state and US population grew by 22%.

We need more tools for farming. When we're talking about climate change, we need hoops. When we're talking about growing populations, we need hoops. I included in my letter an analysis by Wines and Vines saying why hoops would be beneficial for vineyards. So we're seeing and hearing today they're used for all kinds of commodities. And finally, I'd like to say that Sharon Merritt's numbers were skewed. I'm representing several of those cannabis projects, and we're not proposing hoops, okay?

I'm really concerned with bifurcating agriculture, it's a huge slippery slope. Cannabis has already been bifurcated in the virtue of it requiring very extensive review. In fact no cannabis license has been issued to date. I've seen this slippery slope before and I hope you guys don't embrace that, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:54:02

Our next speaker is Mark Preston to be followed by Jack Yusuferi.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed2:54:08

Good morning. I believe you received my latest commentary, so I'm just going to cut straight to the chase and keep it simple as the other gentleman said. I've been here six or eight times and I haven't got any traction on the issue that I'm dealing with. I want to remind you that my issue is not cannabis, it's not visual aesthetics, it is just the disposition of the plastic. And so I propose the following ordinance addition that plastic sheeting that has degraded and reached its useful end-of-life must be disposed of in an approved manner.

End of life is defined as sheeting that is torn, brittle, discolored and beyond further use. It cannot be left on hoop frames and on property in degraded conditions. Disposal is responsible land order and specified in lease. conditions. So that's been my point the whole time is what is happening this plastic because there wasn't that much hoop plastic even six or eight years ago it's going up at a fantastic rate so I did a little math okay and I said if you've got an 8-foot hoop that's 12 feet long and how much plastic is here And I have given that to you today, it adds up to 2265 pounds per acre.

So if you cover every square foot of an acre and sometimes there's breathing space in there but basically 2265 pounds per acre at eight foot hoops so The way the plastic will often vary. You'll have 10 mil, you'll have 6 mil, you'll have 4 mil and if you but my numbers are conservative. The ordinance must reference required proper disposal and this part of the ordinance could be revised as the industry matures.

Two of you gentlemen live in a town that has banned plastic straws. The state of California has regulated plastic straws. Plastic is a problem, it is not wood, it's not manure and I see you grinning over there so what I'm asking is not a deep state solution. If the state can ban DDT because it destroys the bird life If they can regulate certain herbicides because it causes cancer, you can certainly regulate plastic. I'm not saying don't use it. I am not anti-hoops. I am just saying what do you do with it when you're done?

You are the only farmer, Supervisor Adam, The board here. So please explain to these four people what happens to that 2,200 pounds per acre? And by the way at a 20 foot hoop I just did a cocktail napkin and it's over 6,000 pounds per acre.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:57:24

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:57:25

Our next speaker is Jack Uciferi to be followed by Amy Steinfeld

2:57 – 3:046 turns

CommentJack RicciferriProposedself-stated2:57:32

Good afternoon, Chair Lavagnino, Supervisors. My name is Jack Ricciferri. I've been following this subject for the past several months only. I began this by reading reports from previous meetings and I was struck by the wide ranging breadth of discussion that took place at the planning commission level given your narrow instructions to that body. I did learn a lot by following those meetings. There were a lot of legitimate comments from community members bringing different perspectives in good faith to the discussion.

I learned that hoop houses extend the growing season, I learned that they slow evaporation and reduce crop water demand. I learned that hoop houses reduce the occurrence of insects and other pests, and they allow organic growers to grow more effectively. And I learned that hoop houses protect crops from UV rays and sun damage. I learned that hoop houses protect crops from heavy metals and pesticide drift.

You wanted a straightforward exemption to the Hoop House Ordinance and that is not what you are being presented with today. However, I do support it for the most part. Most of the proposed mitigation measures make sense and mitigate the impacts that were discussed at the planning commission level. However, exemption number six pertaining to the San Ynez D overlay doesn't make sense.

A 4,000 square foot permit threshold in the San Ynez D overlay arbitrarily prioritizes the imagined aesthetic concerns of tourists over the very real and here testified to needs of small farmers who rely on these farm instruments to compete and survive in the marketplace. By striking that one amendment, amendment number six, I think you land pretty darn close to a fair and reasonable compromise ordinance amendment. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed2:59:31

Our next speaker is Amy Steinfeld to be followed by Jackie Thick.

PresenterAmy Steinfeldseveral North County farmersProposedself-stated2:59:37

Hi, my name is Amy Steinfeld and I represent several North County farmers. As you've heard today, hoop houses offer significant environmental and economic benefits to farmers. With a warming climate they're really the only answer to deal with increasingly hotter summers in the valley. The draft ordinance before you today includes numerous mitigation measures that protect the county. Such as restrictions on siding hoops on slopes, setbacks from creeks and prohibitions on lighting. No additional requirements should be placed on these temporary farming accessories. Enough is enough.

It's also clear from testimony today that the benefits of hoops significantly outweigh any aesthetic considerations. As we saw from the dearth of letters that were submitted to the board, the majority of local residents, the wine industry and the public at large are not concerned with hoops. The 4,000 square foot limit in the D overlay is effectively a prohibition on over 8,000 acres of prime ag land in the valley. It's no coincidence that roads were cited in this area because this is the low-lying area of the alluvial plain which also, of course, houses ideal farmland. There are also large Ag 2 properties in the d overlay.

We're here today to request that the board remove the D overlay restrictions and allow farmers to farm and to keep their land in ag, instead of subdividing and building homes. The good news is that this change will only require minor amendments to the existing ordinance. Strike out the additional restrictions in the D overlay which is section C1 This change is also consistent with the EIR's project objectives, which state specifically to the ordinance will exempt hoops of a given height from planning permits on ag zone land and to clarify permit requirements for taller hoops.

Obtaining a development plan, as we heard earlier is not an appropriate path for temporary farming equipment because it's not a structure. Simply stated requiring a final development plan before installing hoops would destroy many farming businesses within the D overlay which may have to wait up to for example two years before the plan is approved. Farmers cannot afford to miss several growing seasons. In addition this mitigation measure is clearly infeasible due to its economic burden.

In short, the best course of action is for the board to exempt all hoops under 20 feet that fit with the development standards set forth in the ordinance. There's also no rational basis either in the record or in reality to pull cannabis or any other crop out of this ordinance. As mentioned, this is a slippery slope. Thank you for the time that you've dedicated to this matter.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:02:17

Our next speaker is Jackie Thick to be followed by Kendall Fabian. Good

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:02:23

afternoon. I live in North County and we are on the north side of the Santa Ynez River and we look directly at Santa Rosa Road, and we're looking directly at what some sources say is the largest cannabis grow in the United States. They are grading to the top of the hillside and they're putting up hoops all the way up. They have already been in trouble with their grading We are Ag 2, so I've always had hoop houses where we live. It's never been an issue.

Berries, flowers, food has not historically been grown on the steep hillsides. The glare on the hillside is blinding whether you're inside or outside walking or driving. When the hoops are like this, the sun reflects directly back at us. Coming up here today all the hoops in Santa Maria on the 101 on the little hillsides none of them reflect back at the drivers on 101 as they're driving because if it did it would not be allowed so why is it allowed elsewhere in the county?

I understand you have a right to grow what you want on your property and make a living but you still have to be a good neighbor If you're changing the grading, changing the topography, the landscape, the flow of the water that affects every single person that lives around that property. When residents in Santa Barbara County voted for cannabis I don't believe they thought that the topography of the hillside would be changed and then we would be the Cannabis Capital of California and possibly the United States.

I don't believe that anyone actually owns the land. The land and the structures are gonna be here long after everyone in this room is gone We are the stewards of our property and the stewards of our land, and we have to decide how are we going to leave the hillsides for the next generation. I ask you to please regulate the hoops on the hillsides.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:04:07

Thank you. Our next speaker is Kendall Fabian to be followed by Brian Adams

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CommentDavid Blue Wolf DiazProposed · by introduction3:04:22

Hi, I just wanted to come up and highlight some of the comments that we got from the Santa Barbara County residents who were in favor of our petition because they think they're pretty strong. So here we go. I strongly support legal and ethical cannabis farmers on the Central Coast. This crop represents a way for local farmers to stay in agriculture And brings tax dollars to support our community schools, police officers, fire services, infrastructures and more. Supporting the ethical and legal farmers is the best way to beat back the black market and bad actors.

Hoops should continue to be exempt from permits as they fit size limitations already in place, supporting Santa Barbara County's special agricultural crops including berries and cannabis should be of importance. Please rethink this ordinance as it will put a lot of farmers in a hard spot after already jumping through many hoops, pun intended, and spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on local requirements.

A covered canopy is a piece of farming equipment for all agricultural, whether it be cannabis, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries or flowers that protects offspray from wind drifts in neighboring farms. Frost, powdery mildew-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:05:36

I'm sorry but you're not on the microphone right now. You need to hear

CommentDavid Blue Wolf DiazProposed · by introduction3:05:39

that. Thank you. Water evaporation, herbicides, water usage, nutrients and product loss. The offspray of this county is a huge challenge for farmers and a covered canopy is the only way to protect from this toxic spray. I'm just going to cut to the chase here. To two more. Stop using hoop houses by proxy to fight cannabis crops. These are non-permanent structures and already fit the regulations in place. Hoop houses are to farmers what trellises are to wineries.

Sonoma County is not pushing this, and Santa Barbara should be setting an example for the state to work together and not against each other to stand with farmers and let farmers farm regardless of the type of crop being produced under hoops. These comments can be found at iPetition.com backslash protect local Santa Barbara farmers, where we gathered over a thousand signatures from Santa Barbara residents both electronically and hard copy who were in support of hoop houses. And I think based on the support in this room here, it would add to the majority minus the four or five speakers that were against it. And here are some hard copies and I can give you the regulation as well. So please consider this ordinance and stand with your local 805 farmers.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:06:59

Our next speaker is Brian Adams to be followed by Peter DeConant.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed3:07:07

Good morning, Board of Supervisors. I want to take a minute and talk about bifurcating and what we're actually looking at because we continue to talk about the issue as hoops but the complaints coming up are all cannabis and all cannabis and all cannabis. And what we're talking about is 10% roughly of the 5,000 acres that are currently in the county. So if we haven't added a good job of spending two years to do catenaments, ordinance and talking about whether or not it fits in agriculture and ag twos and the rest of that. That's completely separate issue. And these people whether or not they have an issue with hoop houses or anything else.

It needs to be brought up in an appropriate forum. And so if we're trying to regulate hoops, let's look at hoops and regulate hoops not cannabis and smells and the rest of the things that come along with those. And I think that's one of the big frustrations for a lot of the farmers in the room right now is that they're getting pulled into this issue and it's almost a poison pill that's a separate issue all together. And, I believe we're all sick of hearing about cannabis because we've spent so much time on it and we have that ordinance but nobody done that. So look at hoops as an agricultural tool. And let's try and regulate them as one.

So to those notes, maybe Mr. Adam has been the only one that's gone through a development permit with the county. It's a 12 to 18 month process, it's $50,000 minimum. And that doesn't include the engineering and the rest of the items required to do it. So if you're talking about, let's say, an organic family farm, where are they going to come up with $50 thousand?

And they're going to have 12 to 18 months before they can farm a hoof structure. It's unreasonable, and I don't know why that level of scrutiny would be required for something like that. You're not building 100 homes, you're not developing it. You're literally putting up temporary structures that's been done repeatedly on an agricultural-to-parcel. So a parcel designed for agriculture you're trying to grow crops on, and you need a 12 to 18 month process?

I just, that to me is unconscionable. I don't know why that would be a permit path. So if a land use permit is going to be required and you want to bifurcate the cannabis versus normal agricultural crops then roll it into a land use permit. They have to go through them anyway and maybe that's your level of regulation but a development plan for temporary structure, Out of this world for regulation. Finally, I think you guys all have cell phones and it's funny because you guys would bring up weed maps for example.

KETY has a news on this for Facebook this morning. There's more than 70 comments and I don't think there's a single positive one. So the direction that you guys are going to try and regulate this, overregulate it. I just don't see the support for it. So please take a moment to look at what you guys are actually doing, look at the types of structures, the people that are impacted and separate the cannabis issue from the agricultural issue. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:10:04

Our next speaker is Peter DeConant to be followed by Felipe Infante who's our final speaker.

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CommentPeter DeGrootProposedself-stated3:10:14

My name is Peter DeGroot, I'm the owner of ISC Greenhouses and Polywest Plastics out of Guadalupe. We've been one of the largest suppliers of ag plastics hoop houses and greenhouses in California for the last 25 years. And responsible for bringing some of the hoops in the very beginning to the Santa Maria Valley. I just want to make a couple of comments on things that have been said earlier. First, I wasn't going to address this on the ag plastics but ag plastics we use 450 pounds an acre on strawberry fields. We use 1400 pounds an acre of hoop house plastic that lasts for three years it's 100% recyclable The city of Santa Maria at the landfill for years has been bailing up the ag plastics and recycling it. Recycled plastic has a nine-time life, meaning you can recycle it nine times as opposed to biodegradable is one time.

So as far as the environment's concerned, it's better to reuse plastic than it is to use biodegradable. Some of the issues I just wanted to address In California, the tax law of California categorizes hoop houses as farm equipment and treats it as such. Same as irrigation pipe. Hoop heights were set at 20 feet mostly to allow equipment to go inside of the hoop houses. If it's too low and you run a tractor in there, you burn the plastic off the top. Third, the slopes.

20% if you go along Highway 1 between Guadalupe and the turn off to Lompoc, you'll see there's a considerable amount of strawberry and berry acreage on slopes that exceed 20%, without any erosion or any problems that are there. And I'd hate to see that area be taken away. Also, as Supervisor Adams had mentioned the grazing versus cultivation a lot of that land where all those strawberry guys are three years ago was just grazing land and as the city encroaches itself on Moving more houses in the farmers are being moved out toward the foothills and That needs to be allowed as Brian grassroots said earlier the organic farms to become organic You have a three-year period where you can't grow anything on it So hate to lose that one. The biggest objection I see on all the meetings that I've attended in different counties is Cannabis is the odor, and I think trying to use hoop houses to get rid of something that has nothing to do with the hoop houses is probably the wrong direction to go.

And that we should be more focused on how can we condition the hoop houses? And there are many inexpensive ways to control hoop houses with some modifications to the use of hoop houses, the use of greenhouses that would eliminate the odors. And as technology advances, you're going to see more and more cures for these kind of problems. So I'd hate to see us lock people in now before these things are taken into effect. Just one last comment on the hemp. You can grow hemp but you have to keep a distance from marijuana. Most counties require a certain distance because the hemp extremely Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.813:13:42

Oh, thank you for bringing your expertise just a question about hoop houses and or odor control whether Whether you have any insights you could bring to us about that issue

CommentPeter DeGrootProposedself-stated3:13:52

Well we had some experiments, we did it in Northern California that worked extremely well. A lot of the old organic farmers have been doing this for years is they enclose a hoop house you know you shut the front and back just with flaps or whatever they use one exhaust fan and then they run a tube from the exhaust fan into a pit in the ground that's full of diatomaceous earth And the diatomaceous earth acts as a filter, which is what most people can buy for their swimming pools and their houses and everything else. And eliminates what we've seen about 98% of the odor and it's very inexpensive to do so those are just some suggestions that were playing with now and as opposed to these expensive scent. Most of the odor control I've seen is- Mr.

DeGroote,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:14:38

I have to cut you off at that point, I'm sorry but okay thank you. I don't think that meets the definition of a hoop house anymore in Santa Barbara County but I like what you had to say. Okay last speaker and then what we're going to do is we're going to have the last speaker. We're going to break for maybe about ten minutes before we come back and make our final comments and decisions if there is one.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:15:01

And our final speaker is Felipe Infante

CommentFelipe InfanteProposedself-stated3:15:03

Buenos dias, my name is Felipe Infante. I have a cannabis lab called Delta Leaf Labs. We do genetic testing so we are a consulting company for local cultivators and I'm also part of a network called 805 Cannabis Society which is a professional networking organization for cannabis professionals on the Central Coast You know, hoop houses protect from pesticides.

They reduce the use of water by protecting them from the sun. Those are really valuable things that protects cannabis and reduces the amount of waste it's It's a very practical solution and to try to remove them, ban them because of the aesthetics just seems illogical because we come from an agricultural county. People like me who are consumers turn to cannabis as medicine.

It's been years that I've been using it just because it helps me deal with my anxiety, deal with my ADD, ADHD and a lot of other problems. And no one has really mentioned what cannabis does for consumers. In states where cannabis has been legalized there's been a 20% reduction or more of opioid overdose related deaths. That's why this is important and that's why this is very personal to me. I've been on these farms, and they don't have generators, they don't have lights. It seems like the people who are doing it illegally are just getting picked on. And I think that maybe we should turn the focus on the people who are not following the rules correctly.

I'm here standing with the 805 farmers because they need our help. There's a lot of regulation and we don't need more, so many people have already spoken upon it. This is just more and we're already squeezing so much out of farmers who are just trying to survive. Please don't support this ban. It just seems like overreaching and a lot of these farmers are just trying to survive. Thank you so much for your time, I appreciate it and I buy local because I expect nothing but the best from Santa Barbara.

And this is where to get the best cannabis, and I can say that as a consumer, thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:17:27

Thank you. OK, we're going to take a break. We will come back a little bit before 1230 and we'll start our deliberation final.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:17:56

Good morning. The . . . . Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thank you. Thank you. You. Thank you. Yeah. You. How's

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:33:49

that? Okay, all right. I'd like to reconvene this meeting of the Board of Supervisors hearing. We lost 85% of our folks so that's to be expected at lunchtime. We're going to soldier on. So our public comment is closed and before we get started on our deliberations, I'd like to have Mr. Gazzone lead off with maybe a few more tidbits.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:34:16

Chair and Supervisors, so we talked before public comment a little bit about the difference between overriding considerations and infeasible measures. And I just want to underscore that the package in front of you today has some things you could do today and other things you might need to bring the record back. The California Supreme Court has made clear that overriding considerations occur after Feasible mitigation measures have been implemented and there still are significant effects remaining that are outweighed by the benefits of the project which is different than Infeasible measures where the California Supreme Court standard is that they are truly infeasible So that's one where again, the substantial evidence standard applies but if the board was Contemplating direction to staff on the idea of different overriding considerations or more pointedly finding some measures infeasible.

My recommendation would be to provide direction to take that analysis, look at the record as to those infeasibilities that are going to get a sharp look by the court.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:35:26

Okay, thank you for that. All right so who wants to lead off? Batting first. Supervisor Hartman had her light on first, and then Supervisor Adam.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.813:35:48

I think we've heard a compelling argument for the fact that agriculture is dynamic and needs to be able to adapt over time. And certainly looking historically at the county and what we've seen in the evolution of agriculture, that is true. And hoop houses are extremely important and they can actually help protect other natural resources. I believe that the Planning Commission did a very good job in the seven hearings that they had for what they're recommending for hoop houses. I think the only issue I have is with the stream setbacks Because I think that increases the impact from class 2 to class 1 and it would require a revision letter and a recirculation of the EIR. So, I have a question mark on that as far as what the Planning Commission is recommending But I think I would like very much to see cannabis separated from food and fiber.

For traditional agriculture, I think there's plenty of evidence for that. I believe that if we want to relax it over time, it's much easier to do that than get stricter over time when people have certain rights and expectations in place. So I guess in some, I'd like to talk a little bit more about the slope requirement but that's where I am right now.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:37:21

Supervisor Adams? Okay well first I'm going to read this history that we were, I was threatening to read earlier. I would like to take the public and my colleagues who may not have been on the board back through the history on this item. On October 13th 2015 my office brought forth an item to amend a building code to eliminate the arbitrary and unenforced height limit on hoop structures.

In the county this was not initially successful on February 9th 2016 over three years ago The board took a compromised position to direct staff to amend the building code to accept hoop structures 20 feet and below and bring forward a work plan item To address the zoning component for the inland area on June 6 17 The board directed staff to interpret hoop structures as farm equipment in lieu of a formal amendment process and after that decision was appealed on July 25th 2017 the Board of Supervisors considered the hoop structure amendment project.

The board debated and voted to pursue option 4 as presented by staff In the board agenda letter dated June 6, 2017. Option 4 included the following provisions. LUDC amendment accepts hoop structures less than or equal to 20 foot in height considers a range of permit options Addresses hoop structures greater than 20 foot and includes development standards. Supervisor Williams, the maker of the motion said and I quote, and part of that is exempting hoop houses under 20 feet in all cases.

On October 9, 2018 my office brought forth a discussion item on the failure of staff to properly scope this project. Director Black in that hearing admitted that her department quote did not provide the EIR consultant with specific enough instructions to implement the direction of the board unquote. County Council at the meeting also said that when this item returned to the board, which is today, that the board would have great discretion.

This proposal is impractical as presented and it's economically infeasible and threatens ag viability in the county. I think taken in its totality as presented, and I know that we're going to talk about this some more. It's just totally unacceptable and it's unacceptable on a couple different levels. One of them is obviously just the structural impediment that it puts in front of agriculture But the other one is that we asked for something and we got something completely different.

And we got things included like shade structures, that we weren't even talking about. So you know, that's part of- pardon me? Outside the process Inside the process. Okay, well I defer to the tape. I don't recall that but anyway I think it's just It's kind of indicative of how it works. And sometimes we don't get exactly what we want, and I've seen this happen before where these processes get hijacked because we tell people what we want.

Departments and then they bring us back something that's different and there's so much And so it's sort of a disincentive for us to argue with it on a great level. And then we want to tinker a little bit and call it a day. And I think that since I've been here, there's been a couple of times where I think the public was really poorly served by that having happened so with that let somebody else.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:42:03

Well Supervisor Hartman has her light on again go ahead.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.813:42:06

Thank you. 20 feet in all cases, I believe that referred to the height restriction or the height expansion in all cases and and I certainly agree with that it was actually in the third district of ag producer said I can do things a lot better at 20 feet than I can Thank you very much. Whatever we do here, we should do it so that it is legal. When we did the director's determination there was a threatened lawsuit because that conflicted with our code. You can't have a director's determination that conflicts with the code. You can't, that's arbitrary.

You can't have a building permit that conflicts with the land use and Mr. Gazzone could expand on that. So I think it would behoove us to try to work with the EIR, try to work within the laws that we have and give agriculture, traditional agriculture for food and fiber as much flexibility as we can.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:43:36

Supervisor Williams.

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GuestAdamProposed · by introduction3:43:42

On the question first of bifurcating, I mean to me we should not be bifurcating hoop rules per se but If there are outstanding issues today that the business license, the business ordinance is maybe would be the only place that I could see making different changes to in order to rectify that. And here's why, I don't think this has been talked about much. Hemp is coming, but we haven't really talked about how much less control we have over hemp.

Hemp is an agricultural product and therefore we do not have all the same hooks on it as we do on marijuana. And if we regulate to a certain point And I would argue maybe in a point where we are trying to get rid of marijuana, then the natural outgrowth will be that a lot of these same growers will just grow hemp and we can't stop them. Folks could get permits for hemp as quickly as two months from now.

While most of the folks that are applying for marijuana are still doing it right now and haven't gotten a permit yet, and have probably been working on it for awhile. So to me, it doesn't behoove us if the primary issue with marijuana is odor, it doesn't behoove us to push people into an area where we won't be able to control which is hemp. I definitely felt that I agreed with the idea that hoops are farm implements.

That they, I agree with the idea that being restrictive on this hurts us in our efforts to have greater yields out of smaller acreages. It hurts us in our efforts to use less pesticides and use less water. And I, you know, I'd want to believe Mr. Wolbrant's proposals that that would be possible. I don't think that's the advice we have gotten from our legal counsel and so therefore I am open to pursuing what I think staff in good faith tried to produce which is The least restrictive that was also legally defensible.

And I think the planning commission added on to that a bit, you can't blame them because they've had a lot of people from the public going to them and asking to address issues but The product to me is too restrictive. It's too restrictive on agriculture, it's too restrictive if we want berries to persist in this county and if we want agriculturalists to embark on new territory. I mean there is new territory in produce that people are trying and God love them that they're Willing to do so when the margins are so small, and we should be trying to help them and not hurt them.

That is if we really do believe in having local organic produce and local organic berries. And I support Supported a minimum wage. I supported things that I think are important for workers, but none of that will help the workers if all the production is in Mexico and not in Santa Barbara. And so it seems that We need to come up with a plan where we don't overly constrict agriculture as we attempt to deal with public policy quandaries.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed3:48:28

Supervisor Hart? Well, I think I'd like to start where the Planning Commission left off. They spent a lot of time working on this and there are big broad diverse points of view and through their process they came to a 5-0 vote. I think that is largely where I'd like to be. Like Supervisor Hartman would like to see perhaps a little tweaking of the creek setbacks But on the other side, I don't know that the development plan standard is appropriate. I think that's a very, very high hurdle. It's expensive and time consuming and I think that might be something to adjust in that regard. But I think starting with the Planning Commission's framework is the most productive way for us to get to a conclusion. It is important to have a conclusion so that folks know what the rules are very clearly The ambiguity that we've existed in isn't gonna work going forward.

And it's gonna take some creativity here to find a place that everybody can live with and be successful in.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:49:31

That sounded reasonable. All right, Supervisor Adam. Now for something

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:49:34

completely different. For those of you who remember Monty Python. Okay so first to Joan's point you know there was two of us who wanted to litigate that decision To call this farm implements and call it a day. And I still think that would have been a good idea because I agree that, I still think that's a legitimate interpretation. And based on state tax law, I think it would be a pretty difficult And then this hemp deal. Look, as I've said many times before we are embarking or we have embarked quite a while ago now on this grand experiment and we're going to find out whether people really like marijuana and hemp to be legal. I'm sure after prohibition there was Quite a bit of debate about whether or not that would last.

And personally I wouldn't venture a guess as to whether this lasts or not, but in 10 years you're going to know a lot more about how this is all gonna actually work on the ground. Because we don't know right now and there's a lot of people in this county that are very, very upset. Many of them righteously so about marijuana being raised here at all. At that same time it's legal, Prop 64 passed.

It's a fact, you can't get around it. As Doss said in some amount of short amount of time, hemp will be in that same category and I think, One of the things that I really know about is agriculture and markets, particularly those agricultural markets. And I will guarantee you all of these commodities are going to be overproduced. From what I can tell they're being over produced now and the fact that they're not perishable.

Is very, very important. I mean when we have berries or we have a lettuce you have days to consume that stuff and get it moved into a consumer's hands otherwise it's gone and next week is a whole new deal. So every day we have another crack at the markets because it moves by the hour up and down. This CDB deal, the cannabis oils, those things have a- I don't know what the shelf life on that stuff could be infinite. I don't know depending upon how you pack it. So that is liable to get overproduced and then have a tremendous impact on the growers that are continuing to make those products.

Because the products could become worthless for a very, very long time depending upon how they last. So those are things that are well beyond our control and probably Think there'll be a tremendous equalization of all the things that everybody's really concerned about and excited Exercised about at this point Because That market is going to be just Ruthless, and it's gonna take people out. They don't have the sales There's there's gonna be some people that Have the sales whether they control that themselves or whether they have channels that they've developed that are gonna work for a long time They'll make it, everybody else will perish. And that's kind of the way capitalism is supposed to work and it's going to in this case like everything else.

But I would like to make a suggestion here That in the form of a motion that we direct staff to come back with findings, to remove the mitigation measures from the Planning Commission due to economic infeasibility and threats to agricultural viability. And recirculate the draft findings Recirculate and draft findings of overriding consideration. End of motion, but not end of comments. This is already bifurcated.

There is a cannabis ordinance and somebody does have to go get an LUP to grow cannabis. So it's already bifurcated, right or wrong good or bad doesn't much matter it is what it is. I think we can use that at this point though and protect the massive amount of hoop use in this county And let those ones go under the cannabis ordinance that are reasonable and don't get argued with too much.

But I think that's the only real way to protect agriculture in this county, and to allow the flexibility that we absolutely have to have to maintain

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:55:33

viability in time. If that happened and we voted that, and we recirculated. First off what are we looking at time frame wise?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed3:55:55

Mr. Chair and members of the board I think we're looking at about five

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:55:57

months. Okay so anybody that's looking for a cannabis permit at this point Basically held up until that recirculation,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed3:56:11

correct? Mr. Chair, anybody who's looking for a cannabis permit that relies on hoops- Correct. Would either have to wait until the hoop ordinance moves forward or they would have to process the parallel permit for a hoop under the greenhouse definition. So they'd either have to do a land use permit if they're 20,000 square feet or less or development plan if they're over.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:56:37

Okay. Well, I'm going to let that sit for a second because I want to kind of give my opinion and then we'll figure out where we can go or we can find some common ground. So it's hard for me because well first off There's days I love this job and days I don't like this job, and this is one of those days I don't like it. I don' t like when we come in here and it's competing interests of oil versus ag or it's vintners verus berries or it s vintners versus cannabis because a lot of what I heard was most of the negative I heard from was from the wine industry and the vintners.

It's difficult because we fought for, I was supporting the wine industry with the Wine Ordinance and Special Events Ordinance and short term rentals trying to get people here to visit your wineries. And I did visit a few the other day, went on a little bit of a tour. Absolutely had legitimate concerns about the amount of hoops, and they were directly related to what I feel were probably illegal cannabis grows. So I think a lot of what people are upset about, first off, a lot of people are complaining about hoops because they want to complain about cannabis. The reality is when you look at the EIR impacts, aesthetics, solid waste, water resources and bio-resources.

It doesn't matter what's under the hoop. Those impacts have nothing to do with smell, so when we're talking about a hoop ordinance, we really kind of have to remember what we're talking about. We're talking about the hoop, we're not talking about what's under the hoop I really feel that a lot of people are reacting to a lot of illegal cannabis grows that are out there, that are non-permitted.

And as the clock runs out and as enforcement continues those guys will be taken care of. And as a number of people have said, look the cannabis story is still being written. But I don't know if anybody pays attention to presidential politics but there is only one candidate that right now is not in support of legalizing it at a federal level. And if he doesn't happen to win, I think you're going to see the country move very quickly to deregistering, descheduling and moving forward. So if you don't like it, I totally understand that but there's a point at which we have to accept what's moving our way.

I looked at what the planning commission came up with. And by the way folks, just so you know what we get to do on our weekends, this was the reading material that came out of the planning commission. So that's fun. I am not going to say I read it cover to cover because that would be a lie, but I did get more involved in it than I wanted to. It is a page turner. Amen.

But I looked at what the Planning Commission came up with, and somebody did say that they felt that it was fairly reasonable. And there's some things in there that I feel are poison pills that I really can't support. One of those is the overlay. I always have a problem when some people in a certain area or certain neighborhood or a certain part of the county want to be treated differently than others. I understand you have beautiful rolling hills.

We all like to drive through there and we all love to see that. But for me it's no different than driving along the 101, and there's beauty in every different thing that I see. But what I'm a little hesitant about is imposing any restrictions because of the idea of the slippery slope. Because when you listen to the people who are against hoops, there were some pretty scary things I heard.

There was one that said, well it's talking about cannabis farmers at that point they're participating in unnecessary production and then the one that really got me was when somebody said that nobody really owns the land. In America, you do own the land. And so I know maybe it was a grander idea that we all need to contribute. We all need to remember we're all part of a giant neighborhood.

But that's what we have to deal with on a constant basis is what I see right now is whenever you're dealing with a land use change which hoops did. Hoops kind of wasn't, it was a change of process. Totally agree with it, understand that agriculture has to be nimble and agriculture has to evolve. And I really understood what Mr. Rice was saying that you never thought you'd get to this point. That's another reason why I really am struggling with some of these restrictions because when we talk about a 20% slope right now might not be prime ag where they want to grow.

There's areas to the east of us right now that I'm sure agriculture didn't think that they were going to be growing berries that far east and up on those hills. And technology has gotten us to the point where we can do that now, and be productive. So I'm somewhere in between where Supervisor Adam is with let's totally just leave it alone. The problem is not sure that's 100% legally defensible. Number two is the problem is, I don't think there's three votes for that. And while I would like to stand and be in solidarity, the other problem with that for me is that it delays another five or six months us fixing this problem which then really throws Cannabis industry, we said we didn't want to use this as a proxy fight. Well that's a perfect proxy battle is to say let's wait six months on hoops because what it really does is throws everybody out of the state timetable of when they have to get their permit.

So I'm somewhere between that. Philosophically, I'm with Supervisor Adam on let's not do anything. And let's do the least restrictive that we can do and still be legally defensible. That's what I'm trying to find out, and I know what you're saying is it is legally defensible, and I would hope that it is, and we could get a ruling in the next 20 minutes but I don't think we're going to get there. But I've talked enough, I'm going to go back to Supervisor Adam then I'll go this way.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:03:30

Well, I want to ask Mr. Gazzone how long should it take to recirculate that? because I don''t think its six months

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:03:43

Chair, we did talk with planning on this. I think that when we break out what are the pieces of a recirculation there's going to be some staff work to basically take the board's concerns and address that with Further analysis, new findings circulate and then there's a consultation prong on that. And I think that since this is something that was listed with the State Clearinghouse in the first place, there's 45 days gone from that.

So whether it's a six month period or four month, four and half month period, recirculation process takes time. I think that when we're talking about the timing options, recirculation is going to be more than four months whether it's six months or four and a half months five months. It'll be a long process and it will depend to some extent on the volume of comments that come back in since that's one of the components is addressing the comments So when we talk about CEQA, you have a recirculation option. You have a separate option of bringing the item back after a further revision letter if there are some changes but not major changes to the environmental impacts so it's going to depend on how Far from the current document the board wants to go if there's going to be a wholesale deletion with the goal of deleting most of the mitigation measures due to either overriding considerations or Mitigation measure by measure economic infeasibility.

That's going to be The longer recirculation process and I would just call it more than four months. I Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:05:29

well then there's good fast and cheap as Mr. Gazzone says pick two. So- I hear you. I'd rather do it right

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:05:40

than fast. Well for argument sake and I will second your motion. And then we can discuss that Supervisor Hartman and then Supervisor Williams. Mr. Gazzone?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:05:59

So chair, I know that we're still at the motion stage but I just want to talk a little bit about how we're viewing the board's possible direction here which is EIR went through a series of five project objectives. Which if you'll bear with me for a moment, simplify and streamline the permit process for hoops was one. Number two was exempt hoop structures of a given height.

Number three was identify development standards With which hoop structures and shade structures must comply to be exempt. Number four was clarify permit requirements for taller hoops, and number five was apply development standards. to minimize possible adverse effects. So I think part of what you're doing when you are talking about changing mitigation measures is concluding that the draft document forwarded by the Planning Commission underweighted certain project objectives, for example simplifying streamline or exempt hoop structures at a given height and that you would be directing staff to do further And then returning after filtering out those which were impractical for overriding considerations or truly economically infeasible. So I think that's the basic framework.

That you're looking at and I say that partially for the benefit of staff as we receive direction from you That you are looking at the project objectives and concluding that the mitigation measures that are coming in Fit into a context where they're there waited for the wrong project objectives. So

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:07:42

All right, I'm going to take a quick vote on that motion to see where we are and then if we need to go somewhere else.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:07:49

This is the motion of getting rid of all of the mitigations? Yes. I'll just speak to that. Well you can vote on it. I think that this is not the wisest course of action. It's where my heart is. But I mean, I think particularly the vulnerability being in some of the mitigations that are. That the planning commission found to be feasible and then we're tossing out. I mean, that's where I would go after if I was trying to undermine this and so I feel like we should Doing something pretty similar to that, to this motion.

But preserving a couple of the mitigations and then having if they don't qualify for an exemption it trigger an LUP instead of a development plan where Mr. Hart was going. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:09:00

so maybe that's the second motion after So okay, so we have a motion on the floor with a second. Let's do a roll call vote please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:09:08

If I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:09:08

could

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:09:08

comment on that before. These are instructive sometimes and once in awhile I know that there is something that probably isn't going to have three votes. But it's really fulfilling to flush out where the real support is for an industry and particularly agriculture in this case. We get a lot of lip service, About supporting agriculture and and maybe you know, I've tried to push back the frontiers of ignorance to quote Walter Williams And and maybe have been not very successful in that I But it's really frustrating, and I can say that I'm representing a number of people here in this room.

Just the palpable frustration of hearing how much we support ag, and how much we support ag, and then we want to put some kind of a restriction on them like this. When we talked earlier about a straight up exemption and I thought we were working together, and I guess I'm just talking to Supervisor Williams here on this issue. And I thought we had a willingness to follow through but I'm sensing we don't.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:10:59

Well, I thought we did too. I thought we were going to preserve the creek setback and change the grading and call it a day but maybe I was in a different room. Your comments, I resent them because I want to represent agriculture and we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if you hadn't brought it up. So- Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:11:27

and that leaves everybody out there just continuing to spend money and not understanding that this thing is still a live ball. All right, we're going to vote. Here we go.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:11:40

Ms Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:11:42

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:11:43

Mr Adam? Yes. Mr Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:11:45

No

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:11:47

Mr Hart?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:11:47

No

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:11:54

What was the count? Three, two. All right, I got that. Okay so who's next? Supervisor Hartman you have your light on.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:12:02

Right thank you. I'm picking up on what Supervisor Hart suggested. I think if we look at these different measures, there are eight of them but if we look at what the Planning Commission did we get pretty close and perhaps we could change the LUP to a zoning clearance development plan I'm persuaded Thank you. We do recognize through our community plans that we have differences in agriculture in different ways. But I would even let that go if we could bifurcate cannabis from food and fiber.

If you look at visual three, the Gaviota Coast again, we could make it a zoning clearance and an LUP. The floods, that's okay. That we have new information in letters saying we don't need that mitigation measure If we look at Bio 1, people let's see that's the so one year instead of three US Fish and Wildlife Service. Then if we look at the Tiger Salamander everybody is in agreement that they can they don't need to keep a gap at the bottom it can be all the way down to the ground And then that just leaves us a stream setbacks. That's an issue and that's an issue if what is involved is we would have to recirculate the EIR if we didn't want it to be in, if we wanted to go to 50 foot setback in rural areas so we're not I don't think that far apart.

I think we can get somewhere today but for me it's contingent on separating the two because we would need a fuller discussion of cannabis

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:14:07

So just a question on bifurcation is, so you would have a hoop ordinance that allowed it for everybody else but not for cannabis. But they have to go through a permit path anyway that is going to discuss hoops, right?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:14:22

If we brought hoops into the cannabis ordinance. Hoops for cannabis- So

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:14:30

what you're saying

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:14:30

is

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:14:30

go back and open the cannabis ordinance again.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:14:33

Well, it's going to be open again at the planning commission anyway.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:14:37

Why?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:14:38

Because we sent it back there.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:14:41

But we gave them strict. See this is what happens when we send the hoop ordinance to the planning commission. So I'm not interested in, okay. All right, Supervisor Hart, do you like what Supervisor Hartman

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:14:55

Yeah, I think that I can certainly support what Supervisor Hartman described separating out the bifurcation issue because I think that's different. And that will be discussed at the Planning Commission and back at the board when we talk about cannabis where there will be multiple opportunities to talk about that. But in terms of this now to get something done to finish this issue off, I think that the things that Supervisor Hartman mentioned transitioning Land use plan in both of the overlay districts to a zoning clearance and taking the development plan down to a land use permit.

And at the same time, putting back the creek setbacks to the full 100 feet from the 50 foot reduction. I think that's a great trade off. I think that is as close as we're going to get and I think that would work for me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:15:45

Mr. Gazzone first and then we'll go- Chair and Supervisors, we're just sidebarring here on wondering if this could be a conceptual motion because depending on where this goes We would want to you know understand and unweave You know back out the land use permit for zoning clearance development plan for land use permit And then determine whether staff could this afternoon make those changes today or whether it would make sense to bring the item back along with potentially beefing up the revision letter to address any unintended consequences on that. And maybe you could hear from planning on that also?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:16:28

Mr. Chair members of the board, I think this would be pretty difficult to do today So I think conceptual action and continuing it for a brief period of time to get the documents in order is the right way to go

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:16:43

Supervisor Hart

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:16:44

Well, that makes sense to me. I would make a conceptual motion to revise the Planning Commission's recommendations to reduce the permitted requirement in the overlay zones from a land use plan at the same thresholds as described in the planning commission's report to us. To a zoning clearance, and then also reducing the development plan requirement down to a land use permit. With those same thresholds that are described in the plan, the 20,000 foot and the 4,000 foot. And then to increase the creek setbacks back up to the original 100-foot setback in the rural areas.

Keep the other setbacks the same and make that conceptual motion.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:17:31

I would second that with the assumption that they're bifurcated cannabis and food and fiber.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:17:39

I'm not making that explicit, I think that's just going to happen when we have the different cannabis regulation discussions. So I'm parking that for now in this motion, this conceptual motion.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:17:54

Then I'm not sure I can second it because I'm not sure what you're saying. Because we could address cannabis in the hoops ordinance, but I think it would require some different mitigation measures. So you're not willing to-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:18:17

Supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:18:19

Well, to me this path is too restrictive. And I understand why we might have to preserve some of the mitigations but to me there's too much. Change in development plan to land use permits and maybe to change land use permits to zoning clearance. Partially just for the practical aspect of speed resolution, speed in staffing time to resolution is significantly reduced under those scenarios but to me that our grading ordinance I think is what a 30% trigger right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:19:11

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Williams, there are different standards in the community plans and in the grading ordinance that focus on 30%. Yeah,

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:19:20

I mean so we have studied and have strong environmental precedence in this county to basically be worried about 30% slopes. So I find this inconsistent with our current policies. And overly burdensome. I remember a 20% slope is about half that amount of grade, and I just think it's in terms of degree grade. And I just think that we also, speed to resolution is important. That's why I guess I could go for going back to the original riparian setback because that would prevent us from taking months and months and months. But for the most part, I just find that the product that we have today is too restrictive and I'd want to back off some of them if we were to move forward.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:20:24

Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:20:25

There is no slope restriction in the Planning Commission proposal it was simply a recommendation to the board but not included in what they what they were what was studied in the EIR isn't so well I so I don't get what you're what's too restrictive

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:20:44

oh meaning you're saying let's just go back to the EIR and not go with what at the Planning Commission that's recommending

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:20:49

Let's go with the Planning Commission considerably relaxed what the EIR P&D said. They didn't address, they said we should consider slope, they suggested it but it really wasn't as I understood it one of their recommendations

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:21:07

Mr. Chair, if I could just clarify. Absolutely. It is incorporated in their recommendation. What wasn't incorporated in their recommendation was the permit level change. They discussed that after they took action on the formal recommendation to the board. And you are right, it is not an EIR mitigation measure. It was another standard that the planning commission included in their ordinance that they forwarded to your board.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:21:32

So I'll just elaborate. I think for instance for the ease of speed, I suppose going back to the original setback requirement I could live with but But I don't think I could live with going back to the original definition of historic ag, which I believe is three out of five years. And would be, no the original one in the EIR and then that would be enormously restrictive and I couldn't live with that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:22:07

So Mr. Chair, what the planning commission included in their recommendation to the board was one in three and we believe that's supportable on the record without recirculation.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:22:19

Without recirculation? Yes. I'm not even sure that I am into the historical at all but because that means Even if something was grazing, it couldn't convert to a row crop under hoops.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:22:39

Until they had cultivated for at least one year? Yes. One out of the three past years.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:22:48

All right, well this is what makes this job- It's like a nightmare that never stops. No because here's the thing it's like for me obviously I side with Supervisor Adam and but the problem is you've got something that we tried which didn't work. Then yeah somebody just has to give up but But then you've got something super restrictive that's going to really impact a lot of you.

Can we change? No, not just cannabis, everybody. So to get the three votes do we move to where we get the less restrictive. Well doing the right thing gets us zero which is not the right thing because for me it puts everybody in jeopardy. We're same place we were. Three years ago, we don't move anywhere. In recirculation all it's going to do is generate all these comments are going to come back. You're still not going to get three votes and you're going to be in the same boat.

So there's somewhere in here where there's some middle ground that can be found that protects the San Maria Valley traditional agriculture. And the rest of the county, but we all got to focus on what's most important to our district. So for me it's traditional agriculture right here in our backyard. So anything under 20 feet is exempt that's not on a 30% slope I think. Remove the Santa Ynez overlay and what that then does is allows everybody that's not on Would be totally exempt, wouldn't need a permit.

You're exempt. And I don't know if that's the place to find some middle ground but overlays and setbacks and Yeah, that's a motion.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:25:07

I'll second it if you include the setback, the original setback.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:25:11

What setback are we talking about? because I don't want the setback from roads and- No,

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:25:14

no, the creek setback. That's the one I think would be the most vulnerable and would take recirculation if we changed

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:25:22

it. Well, I'd like to find something that would get us to five votes up here. Mr. Gazzone. Chair, just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:25:29

wondering on The three categories right now are exempt 20 feet or less with a series of restrictions on that including meeting development standards, land use permit required for more than 20 feet. Less than $20,000 and then development plan after that so I just want

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:25:46

to know

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:25:47

if-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:25:47

Thank you for bringing it up because if you're not exempted the other change I would like to make is instead of having a development plan that would drop down to a land use plan. I mean, yeah, ma'am miss like

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:25:59

historically cultivated.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:26:01

I Don't like that That's because the organic I mean I think we had testimony that showed that people are trying to have land that isn't hasn't been historically and There's land out there that hasn't historically been farmed that will now be farm So I find that I understand it's a fish and wildlife definition But go ahead

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:26:22

Well, I just wanted to point out to the board that that is one where we advised the Planning Commission that recirculation would be required if you removed it. And so that's why we tailored it down as far as we could- Can you build me a bigger box and

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:26:36

put us in these boxes? All right, Supervisor Adam, you have your light on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:26:40

Well, I'm saying that you're absolutely right on that. You know sometimes it's appropriate to farm stuff and sometimes it's not. And you know there's as in the case of the organic, you know? There is technology available to make that appropriate to farm where 10 years ago it wasn't. Got a question about that then.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:27:04

Let's say we've got a berry farmer in Santa Maria He's going to go out and he's going to develop a new piece of property that has not historically been farmed. He's not growing cannabis, he's going to put berries down. He goes out and puts up a hoop that's under 20 feet. He is not within 50 or 100 feet of the creek. How would that ever come to your attention? Or what would happen there?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:27:30

So Mr. Chair, the only way that would come to our attention is if somebody filed a complaint and I can tell you we haven't received complaints about hoops in- I have. That support conventional agriculture until very recently we received no complaints which is why this issue was a sleeper for a very long time.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:27:55

Yeah. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:27:58

Supervisor Adam. And that's exactly why we have to get this squared away and give it an exemption. Agreed, okay.

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GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:28:10

Supervisor Williams. So let me use Mr. Lavagnino's hypothetical example. So the grower is converting from rangeland and he's on the 166 corridor, used to be rangeland. The western 166 corridor not our eastern 166 corridor. And it's converted from rangelands to berries. So the first year he could grow there, or she. But would only have an exemption for hoops if it was open air. So the first year he or she would have to do it open air and then put a hoop over?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:28:52

Mr Chair and Supervisor Williams that's correct.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:28:56

Mr. Gazzone, how is that a mitigation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:28:58

Chair I think the other piece of that would be if you don't qualify for the exemption what permit level do you want to put on that person 20 feet or less which currently if you're if you don't hit all six of the requirements for exempt you would fail into The land-use permit so it's not that you can't use hoops it to be a land-use permit

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:29:15

required or development plan Currently

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:29:18

or could it even go down to a zoning clearance? That's what you have to work out and bring back to us, right? Seeing no lights on. Yes, Diane.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:29:36

Except mine, so sorry about that. So Mr. Chair I think the original The thought about shifting a land use permit to a zoning clearance and development plan to a land use permit is the most supportable approach.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:29:53

So in a situation like that, gentleman comes in or woman would like to develop some acreage had not been historically grown 20 foot or less. They would have to come in and get a zoning clearance If they weren't in historically developed agriculture.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:30:21

For under 20,000 square feet or an LUP for over?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:30:25

Right, right, right. So lay out the path of what a zoning clearance is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:30:31

So Mr. Chair, zoning clearance is a non-appealable, essentially nondiscretionary permit. Okay. So we look to make sure that whatever standards are included in our zoning ordinance are met. We had an alternative in the EIR that had a list of development standards. That's not what we really have in Before you today, so that would be a zoning clearance. Land use permit would look almost the same but we would notice it.

We'd look at the same consistency with the comp plan and zoning ordinance and it would be subject to appeal. Right,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:31:08

okay. On certain grounds which Supervisor Hartman told us about. Okay, you have your-

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:31:14

Yes. You asked the question how could we get five votes? For me the design overlay is very critical and I think what the EIR suggested as a mitigation measure with 4,000 square feet max limited within that I think the Gaviota Coast, there aren't any hoops there now. It's only on the inland portion so the same thing there. I would ask for the visual impact to public scenic views That for the 400 foot setback from urban boundaries in the community plan area of the San Ynez Valley. So that would exclude Cazamalia, Sisquauk, Gary and New Kiyama and Kiyama which I think are quite different than San Ynez, Los Olivos, Alamos and Ballard.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:32:14

Okay, I still will not be able to go there but Supervisor Adam?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:32:19

Yeah, you can't get the five there. The design overlay to me is really bad precedent for the rest of the county and I don't even know at what point that reaches spot zoning because that's, I mean, you don't have to answer the question but it's just too much for me. And a 400 foot setback just is, is this an agricultural county? Do we live next to agriculture or do we not? Come on. 400 feet is just

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:32:53

unbelievable. Okay let's do this. I'm going to try a little experiment here. Can we do this? I'm going to find out if this is illegal or if I've got to go to jail for this one. So, ask people about individual things and get a little bit of a hand raise or head nod so we can start building something. As

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:33:12

long as it's all on the public record

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:33:14

in here- It's all on public. All right, so are we okay with 20 foot and under being exempted? Okay. Could we live with removing the overlay?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:33:33

Okay. I could go for a less restrictive overlay, I just feel like 4,000 square feet- You

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:33:41

rose your hand, you're committed. All right. It's in or out, okay. 30% slope if we had to. Okay, and then if not exempted we would go to a zoning clearance. And an LUP instead of a development plan. Greg, didn't you propose this?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:34:13

Okay.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:34:16

Right. Yeah. Not really. I had three throughout almost.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:34:20

To a 30% slope from a 20% slope. That's a big change.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:34:24

Okay but it is consistent with our other land use and I'm getting hungry so I'm going to come do it. All right, so I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well unless we're going to recirculate what's the legal response is you have to go to- So

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:34:46

what is a

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:34:46

creek? Let's get into this. What's a creek? Is it the Guadalupe Ditch? I just want to make sure you're not going to say it's the Guadalupe ditch and you just wiped out in a whole 166 corridor. Okay?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:35:10

Mr Chair, members of board, essentially the definition in the ordinance of Creek is a USGS blue line that he's looking at the rest of it.

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated4:35:23

Do you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:35:23

realize- Has not been altered has not had manmade alterations.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:35:30

And how far

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:35:32

from a blue, okay. A creek channel natural is a water course that has not been altered by human activity. Appears as a solid or dashed blue line on a USGS 7 1⁄2 minute quad or 15 minute quadrangle map. And you look at those maps, a lot of those blue lines are old. A lot of them have long been altered by human activity. They've been channelized, ditched, graded over in which case they still show up as a blue line but they're not anymore. So the setback would be from that natural creek so there's

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:36:03

almost

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:36:04

none of

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:36:04

those. Okay and so when the person comes in to put in their hoop, they're on historically Cultivated land, they're going to put up under a 20 foot hoop. They would have been exempt so it's up to them to determine whether or not they are near a blue line creek or not.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:36:24

Correct?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:36:25

Correct. See unless somebody complains

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:36:28

right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:36:29

So, so Mr. Chair the way exemptions work and I think I already explained this once but you can do an exemption one of two ways somebody can a farmer homeowner whoever can go through our exemption criteria and they can say yep I'm exempt and not come in and get a permit or if they want Assurance that the department backs that in case somebody complains Then they can come in and they can say this is why I'm exempt and we'll stamp their plan exempt So it's up to them They can self certify their exemption. The only reason we would get involved as if somebody came in and complained

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:37:09

supervisor Adam Well, I tried that one time and it turned into a really long story which I won't tell right now And it wasn't anybody who complained, it was staff. So I'm not sure that actually works, which is why I'm so adamant about having these things exempted. To some degree you have to be a pretty small crowd to fall outside the exemption. Everything that's reasonable and legitimate out there should just be exempted and without question so Somebody complains and then you're down the road. And when staff says, well it's only been messed with a little bit, human activity a little bit.

It wasn't enough to rise to the, it's still a blue line creek. Well I agree

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:38:16

with you and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:38:17

that's why

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:38:18

I supported your motion to exempt at

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:38:19

all. Which

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:38:20

wake me

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:38:21

up in the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:38:21

middle

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:38:22

of the night. Yes, what supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:38:25

I mean there's very there are very few of these water courses that have not been extensively channelized and And moved and so I mean by that definition There's not a whole lot of those left I So I think it's, given that and given the fact that it's in the EIR. It's prudent to include the mitigation.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:38:57

Okay, so I think we have the building blocks of a final motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:39:07

Yes? Mr Chair, I think the other one you didn't address was the one in three years for historic. You

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:39:17

said that if we challenge that, then that would be US Fish and Wildlife will trigger recirculation. Which is what I'm trying to avoid doing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:39:27

Okay? I was just trying to make sure we understood

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:39:30

where

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:39:32

things stood.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:39:33

So even if in one in three years, even if you went to some property that had not been previously cultivated, you're still coming in for a zoning clearance. If you want to do hoop, otherwise you've got to open air for a year. No no but I mean let's you want to put hoops on property that has not been previously cultivated one out of the last three years? You would need to come in for zoning clearance

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:39:59

or land use permit depending on who

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:40:01

makes that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:40:01

call depending on the size of the size of

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:40:04

the hoops. Okay well it's hard to craft three votes here that's for sure Okay, I've given up on five. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, I thought five was pretty ambitious. Well you know. You always hope. Do you want to repeat that back? All right how about this? That all hoops 20 feet and under constructed on slopes of less than 30% That are 100 feet away from a blue line creek

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:40:57

in the rural

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:40:58

area and have been cultivated within on agriculture. It's been cultivated in the last one to three years, are completely exempt from county permits.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:41:07

And then you want that- Okay so that's first. And then change in permit.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:41:11

Right. That's the first go around. Okay, I gotta

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:41:18

be a no on that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:41:19

I'll second it. What part got you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:41:20

Well the 100 feet is- I agree but that's not somewhat- The one in three is ridiculous and if I might be able to choke that down if we got down to 20 feet on the exemption, or on the setbacks. That setback is 100 feet

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:41:46

is a huge amount of acres. I get that and it's not, I would not be the one proposing it. It's the United States Fish and Wildlife Service saying if we don't do it they're not going to sign off on it so We tried it at 50 feet, right? The Planning Commission tried it at 50 feet. And it came back that Fish and Wildlife said no, they're not going to accept a 50 foot. It's gonna be 100.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:42:12

Well I gotta ask you where it is that they have 100 foot setback anywhere because I don't have 100 foot on anything that I farm.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:42:29

Okay, Supervisor Williams. I guess- Well,

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:42:32

I'm second in the motion and I don't know whether we should move to the left or the right to pick up a vote but I'm there with you because this is the option that will allow us to proceed onward with the least restrictions.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:42:48

And I'll add to the motion That if you are In a non-exempted area where you fall outside of those exemptions, that it would be merely a zoning clearance instead of a land use permit or development permit to get that determination. Based on size.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:43:13

Zoning clearance under 20,000 square feet and a land use permit over 20, 000?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:43:18

Yeah. At what point Mr. Guzzoni does something, even if it comes from a hallowed source like the US Fish and Wildlife, at what point does Anything that's demonstrably ridiculous sort of disqualifies some kind of a necessity of recirculation. Because look, are you telling me I probably have reliably a 20 to 25 foot road around most things in today's world because it takes that much to turn the machine around?

Are you telling me I'm supposed to, if I want to change over from my veg crops to berries. They want me to leave an extra 80, 75 or 80 feet out? That's just unreasonable. It's already being cultivated, especially if it's already being cultivated. This isn't even something new. This is something that's already been cultivated because the one out of three they got to cultivate at once already.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:44:39

Chair and Supervisors, I'm going to bifurcate that by what can the board do with substantial evidence which is a lot but in this case would require recirculation versus what could the board do without recirculation. And that's how we got to the recommendation on 100 foot rural 50-foot urban to not have anything that increases the severity of an impact or adds a new impact which is a trigger for recirculation. So we go back to what I was saying this morning, which is what can you do today or in the very near future with just a beefed up package and revision letter versus what would trigger recirculation.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:45:22

Supervisor Williams?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:45:26

So I just have a question for Supervisor Hartman. Would you be able to support Supervisor Lavinino's motion if the design overlay provision was in it?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:45:44

So what does that mean for the 30% slope?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:45:48

Well, it means that everything's over 4,000 square feet and the design overlay requires either a zoning clearance or a land use permit. Which was more than I wanted to have in there but it's obviously important to you and I think we should consider that.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:46:05

I really appreciate that and if it's all I can get, I'll take it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:46:11

But having said that then you lose me so

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:46:16

I'm trying here, I've tried. You know what? I'm going to propose a substitute motion- How about it? Identical to Supervisor Lavinino's motion with one exception, the inclusion of the design overlay. And I do want to say that I do believe that the Planning Commission's Design Overlay recommendation, well actually it was originally in the EIR. Was too restrictive, I mean it is taking something from the San Dines community plan. But it's something that there's differences of interpretation of what that was meant for whether it was meant for buildings or other things and So, but I do think that it makes it a little more reasonable when you're talking about a zoning clearance or an LUP for the non-exempt ones in the design overlay.

A development plan as was articulated can cost an applicant a good 30 to 50 thousand bucks easy whereas land use permit is a lot easier to get. So, I guess I can live with it. So, I'll move the recommendation that any hoops that are 20 feet or under are exempt inclusive of Blue line mitigation, setback mitigation that are under 30% slope. And that have been, and I hate this one, cultivated one out of the three years and include the design overlay provision.

Am I leaving anything out?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:48:19

And Chair Levine, just understanding that to be a conceptual motion at this time. Totally conceptual.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed4:48:26

I'll second that.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:48:31

And then before voting on that, I would just ask if there's enough granularity in there for planning to come back with that or whether it might be helpful on the exempt for the motion maker to just go through the six criteria and identify which are in or which might have changed. Just to avoid disappointing you in the future.

CommentNate DiazProposedself-stated4:48:50

OK.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:48:52

Supervisor,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:48:53

we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:48:53

want to go over

PresenterArie Tremblaycompany called Ferrari MetalsProposedself-stated4:48:54

over the sex

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:48:56

So I think the only one you didn't address specifically is whether the critical viewshed corridor in Gaviota is also included in the overlay. But I think you addressed the D overlay, historic, the creek slopes and the permit type.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:49:15

So in that overlay, anything over 4,000 square feet would be required to get a zoning clearance until it was over 20,000 square feet. In which case it would require a land use plan.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:49:27

But in the CBC as well as the design overlay? So one's Gaviota and one's-

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:49:35

Yeah, that's okay. I'm hearing a strong whisper in my ear from my colleague from the third district. Are you still?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:49:45

I'm sorry, I didn't hear everything. Did you drop the permit requirements also?

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:49:50

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:50:02

So I think Supervisor Williams motion would include exempting hoops that are 20 feet or under, except in the overlay where the two overlays of critical view shed corridor and CBC overlay in Gaviota, I mean and the design overlay in Santina's where the 4,000 and 20,000 square foot triggers would apply for zoning clearance and land use permit. You'd have to be on slopes of 30% or under. It would have to maintain the creek setback up 100 feet in the rural area and 50 feet in the urban area. And have to meet the historic cultivation criteria of one in the last three years. And when a permit is triggered for the first 20,000 square feet it'd be a zoning clearance and anything over 20, 000 square feet would be an LUP.

I think that's all the criteria.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:50:59

That's responsible what I want on my motion. And I think actually the most substantive change here is the one suggested by Supervisor Hart which was Changing the development plan trigger to a land use permit trigger and requiring zoning clearances below that, because that's a lot easier and less burdensome to get.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:51:21

Does that fall in line with your second? You're good? Okay well I think we've all talked it out so it's time for another vote Sure, leave your piece.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.814:51:37

Boy this is painful. I very much would have preferred that we bifurcate cannabis from food and fiber so I just want to be on the record and I think the 30% slope for cannabis is really hard to swallow but I'll support it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:51:58

Okay let's get a roll call vote please

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:52:01

Ms. Herman?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:52:03

Hold on, stop the presses we almost got somewhere.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:52:10

Again, just so for the benefit of our incoming planning director in part I Wanted to go back and understand whether under the exempt as drafted there Numerically number one is development standards that are listed below. Number two is requirements for planning permits That those are in or not in the motion and I believe planning believes them to be in the motion. So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:52:34

So we're talking about things, Mr. Chair? Like no lighting, no structural, those basic- Yeah. The

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:52:41

rules.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:52:43

That is

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:52:43

already the rules. Okay let's start over. Go ahead.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:52:51

Ms Hartman? Aye. Mr Adam?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:52:53

No.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:52:55

Mr Williams?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:52:56

Aye.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed4:52:57

Mr Hart? Aye Mr Lavenino? Motion passes 3-2.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:53:06

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:53:10

Mr. Gazzone? Just wondering if we should have a date now for noticing purposes and what do you want to bring it back?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:53:23

Mr. Chair, I know that your agendas are very impacted and so this is going to be difficult. I think we could bring this back very easily within a month but that would bring us to April 9th and I believe that's a pretty impacted day. It is in the North County. So I don't know what

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:53:46

Supervisors, we've been looking for an added additional date in April because the meetings are so impacted and we have been looking and checking with your schedule to see if 430 is available. I believe Ms. Clark was 430 available for it? I think that would work if we could do it then.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:54:04

I'm in April

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:54:04

30th. I'll just say for my part that I'd rather just Go longer, one of the existing meetings. And not sure what I can promise or can't.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:54:18

I think we're up to like seven hours and 45 minutes

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:54:21

on one of them. Yeah, I mean the second is seven hours and 45 minutes. The ninth is six hour, six and a half hours so you know, I guess the more the merrier. Or we could always, we can agendize it for one of the days of the budget workshop that's also- Those are-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:54:37

Round actable. Yeah those are long. Well, on Friday are we planning on having a full day? Usually we do half a day.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:54:51

Supervisors currently, we do have a full day because we have special issues added as we get closer to the budget workshops so we could entertain that it still would be-

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:55:00

But we got to find a date now. So let's not wait and say if it gets better on the 19th. Should we just say April 19th and schedule it? And then if-.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed4:55:13

I was suggesting April 9th.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:55:14

9th, okay let's go April 9th and pack a lunch and a dinner. Because this meeting, actually we said we were going to do this in three hours and we got four. So that was not too bad. Okay, we're going to break the closed session. No, we're not breaking, there is no, what was I reading then? It's in a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:55:38

binder. Mr Chair. Yes. I'm not sure that I heard an actual motion to continue to a date certain.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:55:44

Yes, we need a motion to move it to date certain which is April 9th. Is there a motion? So moved.

GuestAdamProposed · by introduction4:55:52

Second.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:55:52

Moved and seconded, all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:55:56

And we have no items noticed for closed session today.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:55:59

All right so that means we are adjourning to Tuesday March 19th in Santa Barbara.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed4:56:26

Thank you. Thank you.