BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 June 11, 2019

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.800:21

you And when are we doing that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:01

All right. Hi, good

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:47

morning everybody. I'd like to welcome you to this meeting of the County Santa Barbara Board of Supervisors budget hearing and can I get a roll call?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:57

Mr. Williams? Here. Mr. Hart? Here Ms. Hartman? Here Mr. Adam? Here Mr. Lavinino?

Pledge of Allegianceceremonial · click to expand · ≈20s recited, not transcribed
ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:02

Here Please join me rise for the Pledge of Allegiance

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:09

Ready begin

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:27

All right, I am going to go a little bit out of order this morning so that we can get public comment taken care of. So this is for items that are not on today's agenda. Madam Clerk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:40

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, we have one request to speak on general public comment today and that's Ed Kolaski.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:57

Although it's not official, the board may have said that our second story is not located solely over the garage. At least there was no mention of it in the last meeting. As you can clearly see here, the second story is located over the garage, the kitchen, the dining room, laundry room and part of the living room. Now they want me to do setbacks, and back in 2014 they voted 7-0 that we did not need to do setbacks. This was after my architect gave a great speech.

So why didn't they put this drawing or at least the one with the architectural view there in their 64 page report? It is clearly not located solely over the garage. For the last five years, I have lived with the fact that it's solely over the garage and nobody can explain what the heck they're talking about. And you talk to an architect who doesn't know what's going on, they say they have to hold herself back from laughing at it.

So at any rate, the irony of the whole situation is you can't really see it in this drawing but in the second floor John Verdiak decided to request that we push the second floor forward one and a half feet. And we did that and that was done early. But now he's turned around. Not only doesn't claim that he didn't do it, but plus he is stating that he wants an eight foot setback which is ridiculous at least the three of the other members only suggested a The house on the left is just plain ugly. It's a blue one there.

Ryan said that Cooksey, who is a staff member said ugly or is not a contention for refusal. And then these other two down here the one on the left has all these push outs so we didn't want to do anything like that because there was no in fact that Cecilia Brown and others did not like that house because it's the only house probably in the whole Santa Barbara County that's like that It was built the same time that I was applying to do our construction. The one on the right is really boxy, I should have had a better view of it but it looks very boxy. But it was going up at the same time we were playing for And I'm looking at those 2, I said well we can easily do a better job than those two.

It wasn't without question yet we got rejected because as they said we were located solely over the garage when we weren't located solely over the garage. So in trying to figure out what the heck is going on, it just seemed to me that they wanted some money under the table and I presume that's why we got rejected. We did not make a little donation. Thank you. Thank you.

Are there any more

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.808:23

public comments?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed8:25

Chair Lavinino, members of the board, that was our only request to speak. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.808:28

very good. Well I will kick it over to our CEO Mona Miyasato for the budget overview.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed8:36

Good morning, Chair Lavinino and board members. Thank you everyone for being here this morning we are beginning today this is our hearing to adopt our fiscal year 2019-20 budget and before I begin I do want to say thank you to all the department heads their staff in particular particularly all their fiscal officers assistant directors deputy directors who've helped Work throughout the year to put the budget together and who do an outstanding job for the residents of our county.

And also I would like to thank our Auditor Controller's office. Behind me is Auditor Controller Betsy Schaefer, her assistant Auditor Controller Ed Price and their staff led by Kyle Slattery and Robert Geis. And I also want to thank my budget and research team Paul Clemente, Richard Morgantini, A.J. Kinovaeva, Rachel Lipman, Wes Welch, Stephen Yee all of whom are led by our Budget Director and Assistant CEO Jeff Rathwell.

Today we're going to have a quick overview by myself, giving some context. Jeff Frapwell our budget director will provide a summary of what's in the recommended budget. If the board would like any updates from any of the departments, we are gonna go by functional group and you can ask any department to come up For more information to respond to questions and departments also have an opportunity to provide more information if they would like to Then the board will deliberate and make some funding decisions and then hopefully adopt the budget with the recommended actions So Just a little bit of context setting.

When we talk about the budget, we often discuss one project versus another. Departments talk about their strategies for the year. One department's desires over the other. Desires of all the needs in the county. A few community members' requests. And this is appropriate because this is the time. These are when we make funding decisions. But it's also a reminder that our budget is our operational plan for the entire year, for the entire county. Representing decisions we've made regarding our finite resources of money and staff time within the context of even our many state and federal mandates and requirements.

It also reflects the years of commitment that your board, and previous boards have made to focus on the big picture and make choices about our future. So our cover this year is showing a variety of different projects that the board has committed to in the past and in the future. We'll be committing in the future, similar projects just to be a reminder to all of us about the many things that county does. The first is a northern branch jail as you know it's been a discussion for decades and the board has been planning for this for many years.

This has consumed the time of the Sheriff's Office and our General Services Department for several years. And as you know, it's scheduled to be completed this fiscal year. Goleta Beach Parks replacement bridge was actually completed by Public Works last year with an improved bike path and walkway. And again just one project that demonstrates the board's commitment to improve access and safety to our beaches in our parks.

The Koyama Solar Array is a 327-acre private project that was approved by the board in 2014. It generates 40 megawatts of electricity, enough to power 16,000 homes and it again conveys the commitment to looking at other energy sources and also that the utility grade ordinance is in planning's long range work plan. Santa Maria Levy was again approved by the board in 2014. It was a project completed by Public Works and because of that levy improvement, it protects 20,000 parcels and 17,000 structures from risk of flooding. The city of Santa Maria operates a multi-use path and a trail on a portion of that and again represents our partnerships with cities and work to have additional recreational opportunities but also to protect agriculture and our residents.

And the last photos from first five. Again, in the end all that we're doing is a commitment to improve the lives of our families and children in the County Santa Barbara to ensure their health and safety. So here's our budget timeline. We've been starting this process like we do every year back in November with our fiscal issues and forecast through budget development guidelines that we go to the board in December, we did our April workshops for a week, in May we released the recommended budget and here we are today with the budget adoption hearings.

The recommended budget, as we've talked about at the workshops, have no service level reductions proposed for the first time in many years and revenue growth that allows some moderate and modest expansions. Our total operating budget is $1.14 billion and same with our expenditures and net increase to reserves. We've been talking about this year as a milestone year and indeed it is. Again, no service level reductions were required. This is the first time since 2009 I believe.

Again it reflects your board and prior boards prioritization and commitment to certain key projects and programs. We're continuing to improve how we do business with Renew22 And again, ensuring fiscal practices are responsible as good stewards of the public dollar and looking to ensure that we have a buffer for a potential recession and addressing long-standing fiscal issues.

We've talked about this quite a bit in our April workshops but again the Northern Branch Jail is coming to fruition The fire tax shift will reach its target in the 19-20 fiscal year. The Taheqo Resource Recovery Project, which had its... not groundbreaking, what was it called? Groundbreaking. Not a ribbon count groundbreaking. Thank you was just held a couple of weeks ago and as many of you know, that's been under Can just start under construction but it's been underway for several years and then we said because of the board's pension cost sharing plans and Negotiations with our unions. This is the first year. We have a slight reduction in our actual or pension costs compared to last year We also have major capital projects that are continuing, and we are looking at a combination of debt financing and one-time revenues of the general fund to support those.

Maintenance funding is continued to be supported by the 18% formula. That plus money for some deferred maintenance projects that are capital projects means that we are going to be exceeding the target identified in 2014. And again, cannabis enforcement funding has allowed us to staff additional positions primarily for enforcement I'm just showing these briefly because we talk about the operating budget. The departments when they came up in April did talk about their capital projects and their capital investment, but I just wanted to remind everyone the county is doing quite a bit. We have IT improvements across the county in different departments and you see some of those and this is general fund and non-general fund.

We continue to work on lower emission creek flooding and Laguna San upgrade This year you saw in FIRE's budget money for capital projects for two projects, Halama Beach Affordable Accommodations, improvements to the Royal Borough Ranger Station and the general fund projects that we've been talking about as first on the list for COPs although we have now are able to fund it through cash. And those are long-standing projects we haven't been able to get doing quite awhile.

Key challenges remain, we have a tight labor market which impedes our recruitment ability and retention. We are always facing mandates and regulations from the state and federal government although we've seen a better state budget this year. And some of the potential takeaways didn't come to fruition in public health department. We're continuing to try to keep up with technology improvements and infrastructure so that we can do more innovative things.

We're continuing to work on the criminal justice system and diverting mentally ill, and putting them in areas that are more appropriate for their needs, and addressing homelessness with a consolidated work plan from our safety net departments. As I said, we're always keeping an eye to the future as well and looking for ways to protect us and buffer us in case there is another recession. Economists say there will be one, it's just not known when it will be. And these are some of the ways we are ensuring that we continue fiscally responsible practices. And that is one time uses, one time funds for one time uses. For cannabis revenue because we're still not sure what the market will do.

Using it primarily for enforcement and after that one time uses. We're fully funding the strategic reserve, and again making investments that have ongoing returns continuing efficiencies looking for opportunities in applying for grants and partnering with other agencies. Renew 22 will be in its third year next year. And again, the primary objective of Renew 22 is to make us a more resilient organization should there be an economic downturn or natural emergency and that means just not our finances but our processes, our systems, our staffing to retain the best and brightest and responsiveness to our customers.

And with that I'm going to hand it over to Jeff Rapwell

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CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction18:48

Good morning Mr. Chair and board members, as we walk through the fiscal part of the presentation this morning I want to just highlight a few things for you. Through the balance of the budget hearings will go over these six kind of bullet points I want to talk really about budget hearing materials that are in front of you and available on the county's website As well, we'll talk about the recommended budget summary.

Some expansion requests that have been funded both pre-workshops since workshop and then the ones that are remaining for your board's consideration today. We'll talk about functional group summaries and department presentations again this would be a time for your board to have departments make presentations to you or answer questions should you have any. We'll move into board deliberations and finally recommend actions today.

And looking at the budget materials in the binders that you have in front of you, these are the tabs. So tab 1 through 32 and it includes all the board letter and hearing schedules, your budget inquiry forms that your board has provided our office and we've provided responses to. The adjustment requests that are adopted as part of the budget, A1 and A2. Any restoration expansion requests that are deferred to hearings today's hearings as well as the other items you see here on the chart.

As our CEO mentioned, our budget for the upcoming year is recommended at $1.141 billion dollars and it is balanced as we are required to without service reductions We have staffing increases of about 78 positions. You can see they're going from 4,170 to 4,248. That represents about a 1.9% increase in total FDEs and the majority of those are within sheriff as it relates to the opening of the Northern Branch Jail that's 23 of those 78 positions This detail for all those, both FTE and the budget is in section C's pages 23-22.

As we look at the operating revenues by fund, you can see here that the general fund makes up 39%. Social services 14. Behavioral wellness 11 are our three highest, three greatest funds. And you look specifically with a general fund, the amount of discretionary versus other revenues. Discretionary as the name implies are really those revenues which your board has the greatest discretion or how to allocate those and spend those We'll talk about that in the next slide as to how that breaks down.

Here you'll see the primary sources of your board's discretionary dollars. You can see within property taxes that totals about $227.9 million, and that truly does not have strings attached to how you allocate those. But interestingly a lot of that is actually required that you use as match to bring down the federal and state dollars so even though it's discretionary quote unquote there really are some pulls on that limit Total flexibility. You'll see the cost allocation services $11.1 million, local sales taxes about $11 million, TOT is going up to $13.2 million, our cannabis tax revenues which we'll talk about momentarily $5.6 million and all other revenues $7.2 for a total discretionary revenue of $276 million.

That's about an $8.5 million growth from the prior fiscal year and about 3.2% overall growth in your board's discretion. As we look at the operating expenses by fund, you can see here again General Fund being 35%, Social Services 15%, and Behavioral Wellness round out the top three at 12%. Our staffing trend, you can see here over time. The increase is again going from 4,170 in the current fiscal year to projected 4,248 next year. Again large 1.9% increase largely driven by sheriff at 23 positions behavioral wellness 16 and fire 9 and then several other departments have minor increases Looking at the county's portion of retirement contribution, as we mentioned both during workshops and a moment ago this morning, our contribution is largely flat.

And this is the county's portion and the reason it's flat is really reflection of a couple items. We haven't had changes in the assumption rates by SB CSRS. We've had, importantly we are implementing MOU changes with our employees to change the cost share of retirement costs between employer and employee. And so it's been able to stabilize our retirement contribution.

Let's talk about cannabis tax revenues. You can see here as we move into fiscal year 19-20 and move into our second year of revenue from this category, and here is the allocation that your board approved in 18-19. You can see that in the left column of numbers allocated about, in the enforcement, about $1,690,000 between those departments listed here on the screen.

We're estimated to spend about $2,089,000 on enforcement and recommended next year of $2.8 million toward enforcement. You can see how that breaks down between departments. Some departments are relatively flat in this area of enforcement and you can see there is also a significant increase in commitment on enforcement into the Sheriff's Department included in the recommended budget.

Rounding out the balance of the use of cannabis tax revenue, you'll see here in the Tax Collection and Program Administration costs. If you look at the first line, the County Executive Office, this $200,000 that was spent or estimated to spend in the current year is really related to the implementation of a new software for cannabis tracking. And licensing, and that was a one-time cost. Plus we have security costs associated with enhanced security here in the facility related to tax receipt times.

You'll see in the fiscal year 1920 that number goes down really to cover basically security and just the ongoing licensing fee for that software. You'll see that the recommended budget includes an increased allocation to the Treasurer Tax Attorney's Office, about $165,000 to cover staffing costs and support costs from again from the CEO's office on staff in this effort.

Looking at the other budgeted one-time uses of the cannabis tax revenue, you can see the board adopted in 18-19 the current fiscal year movement of funds to maintenance for public works, general services and parks. Increased state reserve, planned development long-range plan projects. HCD clean energy roadmap as well as one time dollars to the libraries to support the efforts that CSD is doing with library funding.

And in the recommended budget, you'll see that we're moving the $405,000 unspent in long-range planning forward into fiscal year 19-20 and augmenting that to reflect updated cost estimates from the department to accomplish those projects. In addition, the recommended budget includes the allocation of about $1.3 million from cannabis money to support the replacement of the in-car video replacement for the sheriff.

Finally, you can see down there in the very bottom is a summary. Estimated revenues in the current fiscal year $5,450,000. We had projected there was going to be a $517,000 carryover. In reality if you look at the middle column of numbers we think there's a $323,000 carry over from current year into next year and that you can see rolling forward on the far right column And so as you get down to the very bottom line, there's about $889,600 available for your board to allocate today should you so desire.

As we look at the area of maintenance funding This is largely driven by your board's 18% policy. But it does, this slide also reflects both the ongoing baseline funding which we have for those departments about $2.3 million dollars. The second line there being 18% formula monies that are allocated to your board and finally some one-time moneys as our CEO mentioned for projects that were paying on a cash basis had otherwise been considered to be debt financed. So that brings our maintenance funding to about $16 million, and you can see there as it breaks down other funding that is available to address the county's deferred maintenance, specifically SB1 dollars and some of the grant dollars that are received by Public Works.

So as you look across, we're pleased to say that the recommended budget includes about $23.2 million to fund deferred maintenance projects in the county. I guess I should say that's a deferred maintenance as well as regular maintenance so some of the baseline funding does not address deferred, it addresses ongoing maintenance. As we look again at your board's discretion and the allocation of key discretionary fund balances, I want to walk through this slide a little bit for you. There are a lot of numbers on it. I won't go through all of them obviously but as you can see that the board is or the recommended budget sets funds aside for specific purposes and meet both your board's priorities and previous policies but as well as position the county for uncertainties.

Behavioral wellness, $4.8 million is the projected fund balance. Again this is there to address unexpected and higher need for IMD beds, other special needs within behavioral wellness in order to address audit findings or other funding return of other federal state funding should that become necessary. The cannabis tax revenue I talked about a moment ago, that's the $889,000 that is available for your board's reallocation today.

The technology replacement fund we discussed during the workshop, this is really expected to spend that this year but won't do so until we have proposals from the departments vetted by the EITC, the Executive IT Council and then brought to your board for consideration mid-year Our city's reserve is fully funded at your board's policy of 8%, $36.3 million, 36.4 million roughly.

Litigation reserve in consultation with council we believe this is appropriate 6.5 million dollars there. Disaster recovery roughly 3 million dollars available. Program stabilization 171 800 these again this is money that we're going to identify later and the presentation is available for your boards reallocation Finally, we do maintain half a million dollars in facility maintenance for emergency repairs should those become necessary for general services or CSD.

Assessment appeals, this is there to address significant cases should that become necessary either for outside counsel Are in key increased staff time associated with supporting those assessment appeals. Finally new jail operations, it has gone to $12.9 million. This is again consistent with your board's funding policy and plan that your board adopted. Emergency issue 24-7. This is available 24,700 Is available for your boards that reallocation today and finally contingencies at just over four million dollars So that brings projected fund balance of about seventy one point eight million dollars To put this in context I think it's important to It looks like a big number but to put this in context If you look at the Government Finance Office Association's recommendation on available fund balances within a county or government general fund, they recommend an amount roughly equal to two months of operating expense.

For us that number would be about $67 million dollars. Before we get too excited that 67 is less than the 71 showing here, from this 71 you'll have to back out the $12.9 million. That is already identified a use of that and so if you back out that there's about 58 million dollars in kind of discretionary fund balances. So if you compare the 58 that we are projecting here in the recommended budget We subtract the million that we're going to discuss later in the presentation. You really get down to $57.8 million and that the GFOA would recommend that we have. So, we're about nine million dollars shy of what GFOA recommends that we maintain but we do think uh... that it is prudent and look we can continue to work on that should your board desire as we think forward I know we're in fiscal year 19-20 as you look forward at the following fiscal year should your board desire and we may recommend during the Development guidelines for the following fiscal year perhaps addressing the strategic reserve to 10% instead of the 8 So we look at budget expansions We certainly have Needs that have been expressed by departments, and we've addressed many of those.

We addressed some of those in three tranches. First tranche was those expansion requests that we handled pre-budget workshops and we discussed those with you and built those into the recommended budget. Post-workshop, based on input from your board and the public and departments we've addressed some of those expansions. And that leaves the last kind of section that is here for your board's consideration today.

Here are the pre-workshop. I won't go through all these. We've talked about those. The recommended expansions that are incorporated in the recommended budget, I will talk more about those. We have the CEO's office management intern we've used some one-time dollars to set money aside for two years to support this effort. We discussed that at workshop. Community services and regional climate action planning $324,000.

General services, although this is non-general fund but general services fiscal security specialist $174,000. Planning and development the farm stays project $115,000 probation $36,000 for their pretrial assessment. This is the transition of pretrial from court special services to probation midyear and this is the incremental general fund cost associated with that transfer.

For then public defender Additional misdemeanor attorney staffing of one FTE, as well as some extra help FSA social worker program funding. Within sheriff the, as your board discussed during workshop and it was clear it was a priority, was the behavior science unit manager, as well as the COBAM MDC replacement. This brings us to the last section of expansion requests. These are the ones outstanding from departments that have not been funded as part of the recommended budget that are here for your board's consideration.

If we look at those by department, Community Services has three. There is additional library funding requested by the Department of Ongoing GFC of $135,000. I will skip to the chase at the end The recommended budget does allocate all of the county's ongoing dollars, but there are some one-time dollars for your board's consideration. But as we're going through this list of ongoing versus one time if you keep that in the back your mind that'd be appreciated CCE Startup Capital Balance, the department's request an additional $750,000.

This augments their existing 650 they have in fund balance for this purpose. We have the request for a countywide recreational master plan. This is really kind of part two. They funded part one in the current fiscal year. That request was for $350,000 General Services has a remaining request to add a real property agent for 126,000 Human Services has two remaining requests, although several have been funded. One for Department of Business Specialists for recruiting 125,000 and one for an FOP for their administration of 675.

Public Works has requests identified that are still outstanding. Local share of the 2019 storm related cost 1.3 million dollars this gets spread across their various funds maintenance funding to maintain current PCI of 57 at 5.5 million dollars and a local share of the Thomas fire debris flow costs across their different funds 1.1 million dollars Sheriff gets a whole slide to themselves So there are eight expansion requests that are still outstanding at this point in the budget.

Main jail room consolidation, although I will tell you that this is something that we plan on doing and incorporating into the remodel of the main jail when that takes place. And so we will address this control room consolidation as part of that larger project. Although it still shows an expansion request, we do have a plan to address that. Custody deputies 1318 FTE.

Our plan on that is to, as we discussed during the workshop, to re-engage CGL. CGL is the firm that performed an assessment on the county's behalf with respect to a number of things but specifically related to the need for custody deputies within the jail system. We'd like to re-engage those. There's a number of factors that have changed since that report was first put together and we think it's worthy of a refresh on that review.

This department also has a request for a data systems analyst, $141,000. Records Management Replacement System replacement $582,000. Dispatch Governance Group funding of $100,000 request for Chief Deputy Sheriff for $352,00 A F1FT to manage the body-worn cameras and computer systems, as well as expand their body-worn camera program. You can see that's $133,400 for the staff person and the $514,000 was for the expansion of the cameras.

And then finally a data center replacement of one time cost of 1.3 million and ongoing cost of 133.5. In addition, we've had some things that have come to our attention post workshops. There are four and you can see two of them are grayed out I'll talk about those your board considered a report from CSD with respect to Encouraging how do we encourage or change our plans?

To encourage greater green commute alternative human options for our employees and although Your board referred that back to HR for consideration We do think it's prudent if your board would consider earmarking some dollars today for ultimately that program once that comes back to your board for approval. We think that would be prudent for you to do. Also, as we talked about during workshops actually The need to do additional compliance audits, ongoing compliance audits within the cannabis industry to ensure that the taxes received by the county are appropriate and complete.

We think there's an effort work effort there that values about $175,000. We also got the next two kind of requests, and it turns out that they really aren't needed to be discussed today necessarily. Although I feel compelled to talk about them because they were in our board letter was the request from South Coast Workforce Home Borrow Program. It turns out that the non-profits are actually already working with our HR department on this effort so there isn't a need for additional budgetary resources today.

And then there was a request, an identified need for the Veterans Memorial Building there on the beach to make some emergency repairs associated with water damage. And so General Services has agreed to prioritize this project as part of their 18% funding and will address that in the upcoming year. So no additional dollars or resources are needed today. So with that board that kind of is our opening summary and be happy to answer your questions and pause at this time before we move into the functional group summaries.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed41:48

OK

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8041:48

thank you very much. Do we have any questions from board members on the opening? OK I'm going to open it up to public comment at this point for any members of the public they would wish to speak just on the opening remarks in the summary

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed42:06

Chair Lavinino, members of the board we have one request to speak on general budget overview and that's Andy Caldwell.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed42:16

Chairman Lavinino, members of the board, Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. I'm going to spare you today because I spoke so much during April and there's not a heck of a lot of new information in this. So I am not going to be speaking more than likely for the rest of the day unless I can't stand it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8042:34

Can we get a second on that? Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed42:40

I'm just gonna give you a bird's-eye perspective of what we see in this budget. It's extremely troubling and I think Mona Miyasato does a phenomenal job, her staff does a phenomenal job But you know they're basically if you were going to take an Elks Rodeo scenario They're riding hoping that the bell rings well the bell doesn't ring in this contest that we're in And the bottom line that top The chart there talks about staff levels and costs. They continue to rise, and then below that regular salaries and benefits continue to rise.

When we first started monitoring the budget, staff costs were in the 40% of the whole budget. Now they're 60%, or probably a little over 60%. That, one of your favorite words, unsustainable. And we'll go to the next page and tell you why. What's lost? Because so much of your budget comes from the state and feds, what's lost on you is the connection to the local economy in our opinion that government should reflect in the health and well-being of the local economy. And we know that this chart breaks down, the top part breaks down distribution of household income And now it lumps together the big cap, the big one in the middle lumps together $50,000-$99,000. We know that from the census that the average household income in this county is between $60,000 to $75,000 a year.

What does that mean? That's two people working in a house earning about $75k a year. That means it takes four of them, it takes four people or two households To pay for one county employee. Four people in the private sector to employ one county worker and the problem here is, the news is really worse than that because the overwhelming majority of the people you look at the chart on the bottom families below the poverty level Santa Maria 16%, Lompoc 16.9%, Guadalupe 13.1, Solvang can't figure that one out for the life of me but the bottom line here is the chart next to it you've got 41,000 people in the North County again that split between north-south mid county is fallacious, it shouldn't be there. It's north and south we have no such thing as mid county It's 41,000 people to 21,000 in the South.

I eat twice the poverty rate in the North County. So here's the deal. The stock market has been about as high as it's ever been. Unemployment has been as low as its ever been and along in decades. And yet you still have 60% of the kids in this county on some form of welfare or government aid, 60%. My message to you is things aren't gonna get any better. The stock market's high, unemployment's low and you've got a permanent urban underclass living in abject poverty.

The solution to that is not more government. The solution to that is better paying jobs. Colab was created because those best paying jobs are being destroyed by regulations, taxes and other overwrought considerations from government. That's why we were formed 28 years ago. And I'm here to tell you we only have one sector left. We only have one sector left in this county that will lift those people out of poverty And give you the tax revenue that you need to pay your bills, and that's the oil industry.

People with a high school education can make $100,000 a year. You have too many people in the North County that don't speak English or Spanish. They're not gonna get a job in high tech. They may have an eighth grade education, if that. They need to be able to work with their hands in manufacturing and industry. We have one sector left, and the virtue signaling we're hearing is you want to shut it down which would make all of those stats worse and your own bottom line worse.

That's our message. We would ask that you would start looking at the stats. When Mike Brown was CEO he used to have this thing called a scan The scan was that page ad infinitum. It was dozens of pages with stats, including for instance and I'll wrap up with this. The number of Hispanic males in this county taking STEM classes was 6%. When you guys think about what shoe you want to put on this county in terms of economic wherewithal and living, the shoe you're trying to fit us for doesn't work. It may work here in the South County. South County as Joni Gray used to say is an entirely different world than the North.

Thank you. Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8048:17

you. Are there any other requests to speak?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed48:22

Tara Lavinino, members of the board that was our only request to speak.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8048:26

Okay, so that takes us to our first functional group. How we want to do this Mr. Frapwell or Mona? Do you want us to, so it's Health and Human Services.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction48:36

Go ahead

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8048:36

take it away.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction48:37

Mr. Chair, members of the board. So the items that we're going to talk about these functional groups and they're out there indicated here on the summary slide. We'll talk about public safety, community resources and public facilities as well as these others that are policy general government health and human services in general county programs. And you can see the percentage of the total budget that each one represents Our first group is Health and Human Services. Health and Human Services is comprised of five departments, social services, behavioral wellness, public health, child support services in the first five.

The chart that you have in front of you shows their total operating revenues and then the portion there are revenues that come from the general fund contribution. For instance, for social services the general fund contribution makes up about 5% of their total budget. Behavioral wellness about 4% of the total budget. Public health 10%. And child support and first five solely rely on their own operating revenues and do not rely on discretionary general fund dollars.

So with that we can pause if your board has questions specifically about any of these departments department heads are here for questions that your board might have

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8049:59

Okay. Are there any questions? Would anybody like to speak with any of the department heads from our first functional group supervisor Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed50:09

Well, just a question that was about a couple million dollars in doubt and the state budget for public health. And then there was some that could be affected by the IHSS program questions and social services maybe just Take the opportunity to go. Problem solved or what's the status at this

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8050:36

point? Why don't we just start at the top and go through each one of them, so let's start off with social safety.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed50:41

And I don't need super detailed, I just want to kind of know the latest. Here comes- And we got Dan, the man, to tell us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed50:53

So Supervisor Williams to the Chair, I understand your questions about IHSS. Um, so far everything still looks good as we had had looked at back in April in terms of the projection of the governor's budget containing the state general funds and Kind of reversing the prior action from a couple years ago related to IHSS. We're still waiting to hear the outcome of the IHSS MOE issue in terms of whether everybody's gonna be at 4% or some counties are going to be at 7% versus 4%, depending upon whether or not they have active MOUs with their labor unions and whether or not they're above the minimum wage, but that's the only issue I can see that's currently still in flux, uh, that I anticipate hearing on sometime this week in terms of how that ended up being resolved.

Um, but we're um looking good. No changes since the April budget workshop. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed51:56

Chair LaVenue and Supervisors, we also had money set aside from a prior year to assist with that and that's still set aside.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8052:09

Okay. And then your other question was with public health and update Dr. Renoso.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed52:21

Good morning Chair Williams through the board, through the chair. So you had a question about AB 85. We were successful in our defense of that realignment dollars so we do have the $2.1 million set aside for the core public health services. So that's a great win for us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed52:44

That's huge for public health. Yes. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8052:51

Okay, Mr. Frappo, are there any other questions of that functional group? We're all good? Okay.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction52:58

Mr. Chair and members of the board,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8053:00

so public safety is comprised of six- Oh I'm sorry. I have public comment for Functional Group Health and Human Services. Are there any requests to speak from the public?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed53:09

Chair Leveny, no. Members of the board we have no requests to speak.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8053:12

Very good, sorry about that. No problem.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction53:14

So six departments represented in this functional group, Sheriff, Fire, Probation, District Attorney, Court of Special Services and Public Defender. And again you can see on the slide the amount of their operations that are covered by their operating revenues versus the general fund contribution of discretionary dollars. Has the largest percentage of this group that's funded by the general fund discretionary dollars, 57%. Fire, of course is self-sustaining within the district funds.

Probation 47% funded by the general fund. DA 56, court special services about 64%, and finally public defender at 67%. And so with that I'd be happy to answer any questions or discussion on public safety departments.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8054:05

Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed54:08

Well, I'd love from the Sheriff's Department and from the budget director's perspective if this if there is a real need for staffing in the jail correctional officers and we want to make a dent in that but obviously with a million dollars were not even going So what I've discussed with the CEO, how else we could take care of that and you guys had a good proposal better than my initial one. So you want to tell me about explain how that works?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction54:56

Supervisor Williams for the chair. So I think there's to address that, there's kind of two steps to that and I think I mentioned earlier the need to refresh our CGL study. That is really going to serve as a defender baseline and give us a direction of where we need to go with respect to funding of additional custody deputy positions. We know that's a need. Your board has allocated significant additional custody deputies through the last three years as part of the Northern Branch Jail Funding Program. That's provided some immediate relief even here in the South County until that new Northern Branch Jail opens.

We know that when that jail opens, those custody deputies will shift to the new facility. What we're expecting in the CGL refresh is to look at that transition, give us a fresh look on the mix of inmates and the number of inmates in each facility and help us identify The number of additional custody deputies that will be needed for the system as a whole. A couple other things have changed since that initial study, one is your board adopted the new civilian classification that's able to do control rooms. That reduces the number of custody deputies needed originally identified in the CGL study so that needs to be looked at and how that folds in. And the final piece that we expect from the CGL study is to look at the timing of the need.

We know that when we open the Northern Branch Jail, we're going to use that as an opportunity as we move those detainees from the main jail to Northern Branch Jail. We're going to need to make some improvements in the main jail. We've been talking about that for a number of years. And that would be the timing to do so. And so what that does is allows us to look at when the phasing of additional A, how many new custodian deputies we'll ultimately need when both facilities are fully functioning? And then also look at the timing of when those positions are needed. So we think that study's going to be key in identifying the number of new deputies that are needed. And then once we have that and understand the timing and the number needed, we'll come back to your board mid-year if that's the appropriate time.

To address the additional funding needed for the balance of the current fiscal year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed57:16

I would just ask the Sheriff's Department or the sheriff is that route one that you can envision addressing this need?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed57:31

Chair Lavagnino and Supervisor Williams. Yes, I think that it does make sense that we have to do the planning process first. The remodel has not been fully decided upon yet and that will drive some of the staffing numbers. I just think it's really important to recognize that whether it's 17 or 15 or 13 whatever it turns out to be there is going to be a need for additional Custody staff, it is kind of a moving target because of some changes not only to the physical plant but also To what?

could potentially be happening statewide in terms of bail reform and in terms of alternatives to custody There's a lot of discussion and a lot of movement in that area now so I suspect that You know, I can't give you an exact number today. None of us can But I just want this to be on everybody's radar, that this is going to be an issue. And we are going to have an immediate impact once the new jail does open and transferring all the people over to the operations of the new facility.

So I just wanted to make sure that we recognize that the likelihood is that we're not gonna have numbers for you today. But I think this idea of doing a re-opener essentially midyear and looking at where we are is the way to go. And in the meantime,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed58:59

there is sufficient funding to not hold off on recruitment because you have ongoing needs.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed59:09

Correct, we have, you've given us the opportunity once we fill our positions to overhire some staff and work them through the background process and what have you. We will be doing that as mentioned, We're bringing on board sheriff service technicians and looking at alternative ways to utilize sworn staff in the facilities. And we are also hopeful that as we progress through this redesign of the main jail, the remodel, the repurposing of it if you will, that some aspects of that may result through design and some cost savings in terms of staff.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed59:50

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed59:50

you, Chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed59:51

Supervisor Adam? I'm just wondering if we gave you more money for cannabis enforcement could you use it? We could always use it. No, I know

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:00:04

but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:00:04

cannabis

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:00:05

enforcement. Yes, I mean I think that I just have to give a shout out to our cannabis compliance team. They've just done extraordinary work in the short time that they've been up and running, and they are, I don't know how much longer they're going to be able to sort of sustain the momentum that they have. But there's no question that as we move forward, as we continue to send the message out to the community, that we are not going to be tolerant of illicit grows and Of marijuana and give the legal market the chance that it deserves to thrive. Then we're going to see that in the future, and I think that it's really important.

There's certainly always a need for some additional resources, and we'll be in discussions with the CEO about that as we move forward. We are going to continue and have continued. It's a pretty target-rich environment out there right now, so we're continuing to have good luck in terms of sending the strong message And again, I just want to give kudos to my staff that are doing a wonderful job.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:01:23

Yeah it's my perception that we have a lot and you said target-rich environment there's a lot of bad actors out there that need to be cleaned up before this thing settles down and get you get all illegal factors blessed and permitted and everything.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:01:45

There's also a very significant narcotics problem that's unrelated to the cannabis industry per se. And we have fewer resources to address that problem than we've ever had since I've been here as well, so a lot of that is due to the cutbacks that have occurred, that we've had to put in place as a result of the recession and in the heels of the recession. So it's really a twofold process of looking at how we address The cannabis compliance and all of that, but it's also we can't lose sight of the fact that we have an opioid epidemic. We have a significant amount of methamphetamine and other drugs that are in our county. And we have a very reduced capacity to address that problem compared to where we were in the past.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:02:32

Okay well maybe we can do something for you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:02:35

Thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:02:35

you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:02:36

Supervisor Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:02:37

I was just going to ask Jeff to put up that slide because we are putting increased, as Jeff just went over, we are putting increased monies into the enforcement team. But I also want to chime in the agreement that, to me, the main problem that the sheriff has is in recruitment and retention and if he can expand the drug enforcement team, That's something that we could get four votes for mid-year. Because if you have that opportunity, I think that would be something that the board should be friendly to.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:03:18

Supervisor Williams, we're making great strides in terms of recruitment and filling our vacancies. And I have complete confidence that we will be able to fill our positions and also that we'll be able, if the board so chooses, that we could expand their compliance team as well.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:03:38

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:03:39

I've got

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:03:39

two things. One is I just wanted to point out as Supervisor Hart mentioned as well that it is a 50% increase from 18-19 and 19-20 in the Sheriff's Department for enforcement so I'm excited to see that. I had a question about the, and I don't know who might have the answer this one but In-camera videos in the cars and I somebody just refresh my memory. I don't remember if that's doing the entire fleet or was it just what we were going to spend this fiscal year does 1.3 take care of the Entire fleet, or was there some rollout? It does okay get a head shake. Yes. I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:04:20

getting a nod that yes

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:04:21

Okay, very good. Well, that's that's significant also so very good. Thank you Any other questions of the sheriff are we good? All right. Thank you Public comment on public safety. There are no speakers.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:04:42

Chair Lavagnino, members of the board we have no request to speak.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:04:44

Okay let's then move into functional group community resources and public facilities.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:04:50

Thank you Mr. Chairman, in this category we have four departments represented, Public Works, Community Services, Planning and Development Services and the Ag Commissioner Weights & Measures. Public Works in their totality of all their funds and departments requires about 2% from the general fund as a discretionary revenue, Community Services 41%, Planning and Development 15%. And finally AG about 20%, 26% of their operations are funded from discretionary dollars. So with that I'd be happy to entertain any questions on these four departments.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:05:25

Okay, are there any questions of the board? I've got one. If we could get our Planning Development Director Lisa Plowman just wanted to ask a question. It's funny all of our questions tend to or hanging around cannabis for some reason so I know you have a significant backlog of permit applications, and there's a lot going on in there. And I just want to know how you're stacking up personnel wise and how you feel about that? If you feel like you have the manpower, and if not what are we doing about it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:06:05

Mr. Chair, members of the board, we do have a number of applications in. The total is about 117 applications that we're processing right now. We did receive authorization to add two cannabis staff. So that was during

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:06:21

the April workshop?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:06:22

That was during the April workshop and we are working on doing that. We're undergoing recruitments right now but we've determined and we've spoken The CEO about it that we probably need to add 2 more staff. To the cannabis team just so that we can ensure that we can move the applications through the process and address any of the appeals that we're going to see throughout the process and so or in the we have lists through with HR that we've developed for the planner 1, 2, and 3 positions that will be filling So I think with the four more staff we'll be able to process the applications at a reasonable time.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:07:05

Okay, very good and then it's not budget related I guess but kind of in the same vein is I feel a lot of these will probably be appealed do we have a strategy I guess for dealing with what's going to what the planning commission is gonna look like and what that increased workload is gonna be for you?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:07:27

Yeah, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. We've been working with the chair of the planning commission on identifying dates when we can stack up appeals for cannabis to address them. We just made it through our first cannabis appeal last week and there was a 4-1 decision to deny the appeal. So we'll be looking at holding special hearings if necessary on additional maybe an additional Wednesday or another day to try and accommodate that schedule.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:07:58

Perfect, okay. Thank you very much any other questions for this functional group? Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:08:06

so there's a question for community services just the The question Concerning the Homelessness funding in the state budget. One of the things that we were attempting to jockey for is have the same kind of direct allocation that the big cities have been allocated in the budget, and I don't know how that ended up in the last week. But it's sort of the difference between us having automatic funding in Compete with our essentially our community partners for funding and I just wanted to know if you knew the outcome of that debate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:08:51

Supervisor Williams through the chair, we haven't heard anything yet. We will keep checking on it and keep pushing it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:08:57

Great Any other questions? Are there any requests to speak from the public?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:09:05

Chair Lavinino members of the board we have no requests to speak

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:09:09

All right well according to the agenda we're to break for lunch. I see Supervisor Adams already taking us up on that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:09:21

Are you guys

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:09:21

all going to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:09:21

be

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:09:21

able to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:09:22

make it through? I'm going to defend Supervisor Adams. I think I eat more from the DS than he does so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:09:29

I thought you were such a sleep driver that you weren't gonna take a break. So I got myself fixed up.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:09:36

That was probably good thinking. All right, so we will skip lunch. We're going to fight right through and we are going to go to Functional Group General Government and Support Services. Mr. Frapoil?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:09:50

Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board. This functional group is represented by seven departments, general services, clerk recorder assessor, auto controller, human resources, treasurer tax collector and also the department used for the Northern Branch Jail Project as well as debt service. So with that I'd be happy to answer any questions. You can see Breakdown of operating revenue versus the use of discretionary revenues for each one of these departments

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:10:25

Okay, are there any questions from the board? See none. I've got one and I know had product to CEO. I can't remember the answer now So I'll bring it up now because I think we're gonna talk about it later but the tax compliance audit Okay, I was thinking I was going to remember. So I just want to make sure how we're going to deal with that if you need us to allocate resources for a cannabis tax compliance audit and if that would be in house or outside or how are we going to deal with that?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:10:54

Mr. Chairman, in response to that, we'll talk about that in the deliberation section. We've identified that as potential allocation for your board's consideration.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:11:03

Right, okay very good. Are there any requests to speak from the public on this functional group?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:11:11

Chair Lavinino, members of the board we have no request to speak.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:11:14

Okay Wow So I'm gonna bring it back to the board so I don't know if we're ready to go into if you want to put up the Are there any just general comments or do we want to get into the We have another functional group? Oh, it's on the back page all right I don't know if we can cram it all in today. Sure, policy and executive. Policy and executive functional group.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:11:46

Mr.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:11:47

Frapwell?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:11:48

It is a functional group perhaps some would argue it's dysfunctional group but nonetheless... Oh man! Nonetheless it is comprised of four departments, County Executive Office, County Council and Board of Supervisors as well as the General County Programs Group. And I want to take this opportunity, I inadvertently caused some level of consternation with council And my earlier comments and I'd like to take an opportunity to correct that so that I can stay in a good standing with counsel When I was talking about the available fund balances, especially related assessment appeals. I mentioned those funds would be available for outside counsel just for clarification They would be available for outside expert witnesses associated with large cases and not outside councils So thank you.

Mr. Gozoni and I stand corrected he is listening You know, he told me earlier that he was going to be focused on some other important pressing matters but apparently was paying attention to my comments. So with you know I try to throw him for a loop but you know he's always vigilant so with that I'd be happy to answer any questions regarding these four departments

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:12:57

okay? Any questions about our own departments here seeing none okay? Comments from the public on this functional group.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:13:11

Chair Lavinino, members of the board we have no requests to speak.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:13:14

All right I'll go back to Mr. Frapwell for summary and then we'll come back to the board for deliberation

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:13:21

Thank you Mr. Chair, members of the board so just as a reminder although it wasn't very long ago so it's still all fresh in your mind but there were several expansion requests deferred to hearings from various departments we talked about those earlier. We talked about those requests that were received after workshops the two remaining that have not been addressed are the alternative commute options for employees setting aside funds to ultimately implement whatever your board decides ultimately for the policy As well as the cannabis tax compliance audits to ensure that the county receives the appropriate cannabis tax revenues from the industry.

And with that, your board we've identified 1 million 86 thousand 100. And available one-time dollars, as I mentioned before, comes with resources. You recall back when we were talking about discretionary fund balances. The available cannabis tax revenues that have not yet been allocated in the recommended budget $889,000. Remaining carryover balances in the Program Stabilization Fund, $171,800. And finally, the amount in the Emerging Issues Carryover Fund Balance, $24,700. So that's a total of $1,086,100.

And those are really the dollars that your board has in front of you today to address any expansion needs that have been identified or those new items that have come to your attention today. Really, it's really time for deliberation and we can go through our usual attachment e-process in which we can if your board desires put our attachment spreadsheet on the screen and take feedback from your board.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:15:11

Okay before we do that we're going to open it up one more time for oh Supervisor Hart has his light on? Yes. Or is this deliberation or because we did have public comment before we get into deliberation? Sorry, okay public comment on the summary.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:15:26

Chair Lavinino members of the board yes We have one request to speak on budget summary wrap-up and that's Andy Caldwell

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:15:36

Chairman Lavinino members of the board Andy Caldlewell representing Colab The last comment here before you go into these deliberations is there is a Technical slash legal definition of balanced and there's a practical reality One of the things that your staff has your public works staff has on that slide Does it need something like five million dollars to not slide deeper into debt?

Now this is this is a debt. That's unlike other debts that it grows exponentially if you don't fix your roads or In an adequate time frame and manner, you have to rebuild them entirely. There comes a point where you can no longer fix them, you have to rebuild them in the, I don't remember if it's five to seven times the cost of repairs. So what your staff has up there is should have warning lights that we need 5 million, I think the payment index was 57 going on my memory, not slide below that.

Supervisor Adam has a board inquiry form there which has not been put up in terms of what's been happening to your overall maintenance debt. I agree with you guys, you're putting more money into maintenance and with the state gas tax, you're putting more into roads than probably ever in my 28 years but it's not enough. Your budget is not balanced if you're going further and further into the hole You've kind of got a little bit of a wrap on pensions right now because the cost sharing from the employees and the fact that the stock market's up and all that sort of stuff. But there's this gaping hole there, and I want to juxtapose that gaping hole which is a fundamental role of government to protect and maintain infrastructure You've got something like $400 million versus three items on here that are completely redundant and superfluous.

324,000 for climate. I think the figure for community choice aggregation was well over a half million dollars. I didn't have time to go back and look it up. And how much? $750,000. So we're already over a million plus I spoke to you a few weeks ago how your all stick when it comes to the private sector reducing greenhouse gases but you're all carrot for your own employees. You're already giving people vacation and time off in discounted passes Do you want to throw another $100,000 to try to get your employees to follow your lead on climate change commuting and things like that? Those three things are well over a million dollars that should be going towards getting you out of road infrastructure and maintenance debt. Thank you. Okay,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:18:46

thank you. We'll bring it back to begin our deliberations. Do you want to throw up the chart and then we'll lead it off with Supervisor Hart?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:18:55

Thank you, Chair Labadino. As the new person on the board I have been doing field trips and site visits around the county and I'm extraordinarily impressed by all the people that I am working with and the hardworking county employees in the facilities that we have in this presentation. I think does a really good job of describing all the great work that's being done. But a couple things came to my attention just in the last couple of weeks that I think I would love to throw into the mix for conversations. Small projects, little things that could be, I think make a big difference for the folks who are doing the work. Up in Supervisor Lavinino's district in Santa Maria, the District Attorney's office has a plan to remodel their facilities. Their employees are very cramped in their workspace.

Um, doubling up in offices. One of the one of the tightest workspaces that I saw in all my tours around and county departments and they are looking to do some very small improvements. I have a list here about $35,000 in improvements to the physical And then similarly, out at the Animal Services Department went on a tour of the shelter out in Goleta and You know that's a really delicate difficult moments in somebody's.

Interaction with their pet and our staff and both those facilities really need a little bit of work And I think $40,000 there would go a long way to improving that Connection to the department and the public So those are just two things. I apologize for putting them in at the last minute but as they said I've been touring around and seeing these things and these particular items really struck me as deserving of at least a little bit conversation and hopefully some support here today Okay

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:21:13

so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:21:35

Let me see what we're looking at here. So this does not have the items that we're suggesting and what you're suggesting is that I go...

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:21:42

No, no, let's wait until we... Can we get the chart up that has all of our... We don't want to have to... Do you want us to just read them off? Or do you want us to... Right. Do you have a chart that we can just put our names? We haven't populated as far as the charts so... Oh yeah okay. Okay well I can do it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:21:58

We

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:21:59

can do it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:21:59

I haven't written down. Well, starting at the very top of the list I would be supportive of $135,000 for libraries. I don't believe from what the conversations that I've had that the full allocation for community choice energy is necessary. I don't know what the magic number is for that look for some direction from staff but you know I think $250,000 would help that project move forward keep it on track.

Recreational master plan, I'm supportive of fully funding. I think I might be skipping but definitely interested in having the cannabis tax compliance effort, $175,000 included in this year's budget. The $100,000 for the commute alternatives- Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:22:45

hold on just a second.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:22:46

Am I going too fast?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:22:47

No, they've gotten a lot better at this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:22:52

We do we do have crack staff

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:22:53

yes, all right Breath yeah, we're gonna run out of columns

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:23:00

It's magic yes And then the two additional things that I have created from my field trips. Additional $35,000 for the district attorney's office. I'll really slow down here so you can... Oh you already have those! Look at that. Yes they are good. Oh my gosh, that's impressive. All right and I think the magic number of my calculator... There we go.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:23:22

Oh my gosh she came in with a thousand? You can leave here with eleven hundred dollars and a gift certificate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:23:28

And I'll gladly leave that up to my colleagues to divide.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:23:32

All

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:23:36

right very good, well thought out all right who wants to go next? Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:44

Well first of all I believe the $135,000 for libraries is needed So

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:23:56

I have a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:57

question on that shirt.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:23:59

So while we're talking about that, so how and what is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:24:04

about

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:24:04

to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:24:04

say it would be great if it was more but I don't know

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:24:07

how much more going to say right now what I was going to ask is so I'm not part of the ad hoc or anything and I don't know how this all is going to get divvied up.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:24:21

So I can I can answer that question. So what we deliberated about a little bit in the previous budget hearings was to offer so there's there's approximately half a million 400,000 if it's just small libraries if you include the large library is more like $700,000 worth of deficits So if we had tons of money, we could just cover it all. But what we offered to do is to match cities on a one for one basis to cover the deficit in the small cities and the friends groups in the places that don't have cities. Montecito, Orkut, Los Alamos, And so that's what our allocation would be. So in the small cities, we're only covering half of the deficit but the cities hopefully will cover the other half of the deficit. In places with no cities, we'd be covering for this amount of money two-thirds of the deficit.

So they're actually getting more than the ones with cities. So I definitely think it's $135,000. If we had more, I would want to give more but I'm worried we really don't. I also agree with the cannabis tax compliance. I believe there is a number out there to continue our CCE work and that the minimum number as That's been told is about four hundred and thirty thousand dollars so I believe that.

If this board really wants to go forward with CCE and not kill it quietly we've got a allocate the money to move move forward. That's what I've heard is our priority in the past so and I agree with that and things are so bad with the utilities right now. It's hard to see how we could do And I agree with the alternative commute though, I don't know if we have the money to fully fund it.

And and I also agree that we should do the recreation master plan not sure out of this that If we took $170,000 from our program stabilization and added it to this, we could make that math work out. So I will remind the board that we have taken money out all of the last three years out of the shoe boxes and yet our shoe boxes keep on growing. A little Supervisor Janet Wolfe here, that our reserves should have a functional policy purpose. And so it is not in my view sacrosanct not to take some money out of reserve since we're constantly adding to them. At the same time and mind you reserves tend to go down in the case of emergencies are emergent even though we've been through some terrible emergencies in the last year and a half our reserves have continued to grow.

So my I guess my view is we fully fund rec master plan and the alternative commute. And if we need to take somewhere between 100 and 170 out of the program stabilization then we do that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:28:18

Okay, well since that's been brought up as an alternative I'd like to talk to Mr. Frapwell about what is that money in that shoebox for?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:28:32

Mr. Chair and Supervisor Williams specific to your question the available dollars of $171,800 that was remaining unallocated In the program stabilization fund is included in the million eighty six thousand so that's already taken a few boxes and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:48

then then contingency which we have four million dollars and or something else that is not our are non emergency reserves is what I would.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:29:00

All right well. I think it would be appropriate to also

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:04

take that out

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:29:05

of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:05

reserves. to do. In some ways, if we're going to spend more money in the future than we would if we delay capital expenses it's a responsible approach.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:29:35

Can we just talk about, just for a second, get a perspective on where we are with jail costs and construction and how that's all firmed up at this point? Because I just want to make sure that we have adequate funding Reserves

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CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:30:08

We have a number of outstanding issues that we have some concern about with respect to construction costs. We know that we will likely be in a contentious relationship with our development team after the project is finally delivered and so that is likely to require additional resources to address

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:30:32

And if you did address those overruns, what pot of money would those be coming out

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:30:36

of? Would that be coming out of contingency? That would likely come out of contingencies. That'd be the first. Contingencies... You know, let me just speak a little bit to contingencies. So our... If you look at the general fund, so the contingencies there for general fund uncertainties etc., that $4 million represents about 1% of the total revenue coming into the General Fund.

Now I have tremendous faith In my staff and the auto control staff, and the department staff as we look at developing those revenue estimates for the upcoming year. So I don't suggest that our revenues are at risk but I would say 1% movement A 1% contingency for those types of things is not imprudent. I think that's appropriate. I mean, I talked a little bit earlier as we talked about available fund balances the reserves as a whole so that incorporates all the reserves that we have allocated and identified on that one slide that I had earlier Is still about nine to $10 million shy of what GFA recommends that at a minimum we maintain. So I appreciate we have strong reserves, I don't want to intimate that we are fiscally unsound.

But I wouldn't say that we are over-reserved, and so my recommendation is try to resist taking additional fund balances. But at the end of the day, I appreciate and recognize and respect that as your ultimate policy decision.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:32:05

Very good. Mr. Gazzani? Chair I think each year you also the board has been hearing from the treasurer on the Benefit if the county goes out onto the debt market or short-term borrowing of being able to certify that it stays within its budget principles on that and the treasurer is probably the person who could address What that certification looks like? And what mr. Frappel said matches matches up with that that You have some discretion in this area as long as you stay inside that policy Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:32:39

Do you want to comment on that at all? Or I think that's kind of self. Mr. Hagan, would you like to comment on that? Not that $100,000 is going to make a difference.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:56

If they're skating that close on the recommendation, that would be very unlike them.

PresenterJeff RapwellProposed · by introduction1:33:02

So Chair Lavagnino, members of the board. Mike's absolutely correct here. You know what Jeff presented earlier about 60 days of expenditures being in reserves? The rating agencies do look at that when they rate our debt so there is some truth to that having healthy reserves actually helps our rating and reduces our financing costs.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:33:28

So I guess my question would be Would $178,000 less when we're adding several million to our reserves this year. Make or break that?

PresenterJeff RapwellProposed · by introduction1:33:41

I would hope that wouldn't move the needle but that's up to the rating agencies really.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:33:53

Staff's recommendations have come so close to the wire, including spending a lot of our last year's unexpended cannabis revenue that if we can't decide to do a couple projects that have four zeroes or five zeroes after them then I'm not sure what we have Board of Supervisors for.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:34:15

Well, I'll get to that in a minute. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so I got a question about CCE too because it looks like we're going to be all over the map from zero to 450 or whatever. So Mr. Chapjean if you could come forward and just kind of give us the real scoop And where we stand with consultant work that's supposed to bring back something to our ad hoc committee.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:34:40

Chair Lavagnino, thank you. We just received the draft from PEA, our consultants. The numbers are looking viable, potentially viable for a CCE unlike the previous one. The previous one had us in the black Sooner than this one. This one would take probably about three years to be in the black, but it is viable with potential Revenue sources cumulative to about the 60 million dollar range in about 10 years So but there are also some other options for the board and what as well? What is that Joey's Monterey County?

Probably about 5,000 but we're looking into governance and those kind of issues But we are looking into it and we could come back with those options once we get all the

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:35:23

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:35:23

when do

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:35:24

you think, what kind of timeline are you on to bring back something with a recommendation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:35:27

I think July. I think August is when we have to make some sort of decision with Monterey and ours as well because it pushes

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:35:36

off a year. Yeah okay very good thank you very much all right Supervisor Adam.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:35:47

I guess The first thing I want to do is just go through the the numbers here and and I would just take 889 And add it to the cannabis enforcement team because it's cannabis money, and we thought we talked about that during the Budget Workshops earlier where we were going to use all the cannabis money for cannabis enforcement And I think you're in a time here where you really need To put a lot of effort into this Until things settled down and I don't know if they ever will but it seems like things are pretty pretty Burning pretty hot right now in that whole area And so I'd like to just see that all committed to that effort until that thing gets organized in some fashion and Then I take the rest of the the money the hundred seventy one thousand eight hundred and twenty four thousand seven hundred And just put that on top of the one-time maintenance Column And then I'd like to go to my, my Biff three and take a look at that.

Cause cause that things should be just frightening to everybody If we could blow that up so you can see the bottom numbers, the columns. That's going up 50% in six years. You know if that continues on at that rate That's just gonna be you know, you're gonna have a hard time catching that now and you know if you really think about what we added to The 1819 number which was 400 million You know that was 453 million That that was going to land on for this year the 1920 number So now we're going to throw a 22 at it and it's going up 38.

So, you know that's just out of control and it's irresponsible. And unless we just abdicate and say okay well we'll never catch up I don't know. I don't know how else you you start to tackle that other than to Start really cutting into things and Making some sacrifices and and not acting like we're out of the woods, which is sort of what we've done here We've sort of declared victory I think prematurely and decided that we didn't have any service level reductions or cuts and That's nice. But then there's that and You know, I realize that kind of sound like a broken record all the time on this issue but then there's the Numbers and and they're real so and you know, I didn't make them up. It's it's a biff These guys made him up. So And I don't know did you make him up or did you figure him out?

You figured him out right? So Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:39:40

Chair, right I have a suggestion because I completely agree that this is a There needs to be a plan for investment, and of course I do believe that the really responsible way for us to handle it would be to do a sales tax. But I know you guys aren't going for that today. So my suggestion to put a marker so we make some progress on this, Because the cannabis revenue has been budgeted enormously conservatively, that we should just put on a marker. And it's not risky proposition because it's not an ongoing expense per se. It's a capital expense that we should say for this fiscal year half of More than budgeted amount for cannabis revenue should go into our deferred maintenance program.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:40:47

That you know, I don't know whether you know we can act on something like that at this time but You know, that's a nice sentiment and everything but I really think that you've got to arrest The growth of that column and and I think you have to try even a little harder than that. You know it's nice We did that I hear you sort of exactly the 18% philosophy

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:41:14

It's the budget and we could take action, and we could allocate half of the additional cannabis revenue beyond what is budgeted here. Last year it came in what? 2 million more than we budgeted or a million and a half?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:41:32

Supervisor Williams to the chair. We budget 5 million 450 in the current fiscal year. We are on track again, we haven't received tax revenues for Won't receive those till July. But our current projection would take us over the budget number by $260,000. So that's kind of where we see right now. And where did we get the money for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:41:57

the

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:41:58

radio

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:41:58

replacement?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:42:00

That came out of you recall in the current fiscal year we allocated some tax revenue for one-time purposes so they aren't reoccurring. So we simply repurposed a portion of those monies that had gone on in the current years one time So in total budget anticipated revenues for cannabis 5.6 next year, 5.615 or something.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:42:26

And it just depends on, it varies on how many we permit and how many appeals we uphold and how many we deny. I mean it has a lot to do with that but I just think that doing something is better than doing nothing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:42:39

Okay well I appreciate that. That's where

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:42:41

you get the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:42:41

disagreement. I appreciate that no that's a good sentiment but I think we have to expand our minds with respect to the definition of something Because there's a lot more things than cannabis that we can do. Get it? Yeah, okay so you know there's other things we can do and and we need to do them And I also think you have to cut spending and you know I'll start by my final speech now by saying I would love to vote for this budget. You know This this budget is a good solid budget But it leaves a hole right there that you could drive a truck through. And one of the things that I do here is make sure we never forget that hole because nobody wants to think about that hole and I get it, it's unpleasant but it's reality and it's there.

And I think we have to act in a way Manner even though will cause pain. I think we have to make a commitment. You know, I would like to see this board and I don't harbor any delusions that this can happen but I think that if this board were to tell the CEO at least even next year, they want to see this number arrested which requires a much larger contribution to maintenance than we've been prepared to make in the past. That would...I would like to vote for that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:44:39

I have a question about while we're on this chart. So the fire transfer tax will be eliminated at the end of this year, and I believe this year we put 11.6 million. Nope? Is that not right? I'm sorry, go ahead. So my question is on the 18%, how much of that additional will be added onto the- To the 18%.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:45:06

So Mr. Chair, I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:07

know you don't know

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:45:08

but

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:08

ballpark it if we if we did it had been done this year would have been a couple extra million dollars for

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:45:13

correct so

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:15

I can't

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:45:16

I don't remember top my head exactly how much the 25% shift to our day it was 11.6 million $11.6 million so

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:23

Mona says no okay what

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:45:25

was it that's a whole amount Yeah, I'd need to see what the incremental amount was going at the current year. If that's and then it's 25 percent of that. I mean, it's 18 percent of that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:35

Right?

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction1:45:35

So

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:36

that's gonna be more significant. I mean so over a million dollars more next year. I'm anticipate correct is that not close

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:45:45

Supervisors, so the $11 million is the full amount of the shift. That's the total amount that they're getting had we did not have a tax shift. That amount continues on, so it's not like 11 million goes

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:45:58

to them- But still 18% of the 25%. Okay which would be still significant. Then we add in what's SB 1? Mr. McAulpin? SB 1, it said in your report that was going to significantly move up our share. I'm sorry to pounce this on you but gas tax is supposed to kind of trend up and this first year was our shortest?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:46:35

Sure Mr. Chair and board members our SB1 is going up I think about $200,000 from last year to 6.6 from 6.4 last year so it's gradually working its way up. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:46:48

very good. So you know I look at the 18% I look at the deferred maintenance and yeah I totally get you know this is the argument we had from the very beginning is Is the problem too big? This thing did not start on our watch. It didn't start four years ago, or eight years ago, or ten years ago. Deferred maintenance started 30 years ago and we can either look at this and say hey there's no sense even trying to tackle the problem because it's too big.

Or you can start trying to do something and I think that charts if you want to drop it down a little bit so you can see the thing. I wasn't scared to death by this chart, like I guess I should have been. I'm looking at that as that bottom bar is rising considerably. Yes the deferred maintenance has taken off but I think there's other things we can do that will reduce deferred maintenance if we get rid of some of these properties that we've been sitting on forever that are out on Foster Road that are just deathtraps. Well I shouldn't probably said that, it's not a good thing.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:47:57

Thanks Dave, you just reduced the market price by a considerable

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:48:00

amount. Well there's nobody buying those properties I'm going to tell you but for any employee working in that... I didn't mean death

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:48:07

trap.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:48:10

I would just assume we get people out of those as soon as we possibly can. But there's areas that we can get rid of properties that will reduce our deferred maintenance, because I think we got to get. I think that's something you know, I've been at least working with Mr. Pontes on for quite a while and looking as how do we turn this county into where we're working more looking at new properties either selling off or getting out of some of these properties Just loaded with deferred maintenance. I would be, I think this is a topic that's big enough and important enough that I'm looking out in the future of our long range plan.

We've got time on agendas in the future. I think this is something we need to bring back. We're all interested in how do we get to that number? And how do we bite into that number, take a bigger bite out of it? But you know, you go back and look at that. We were doing 2.6 million a year. And if I would have told you in 2014-2015 we're going to do 22.6 million, you would have said there is no way we're ever going to do that because you guys aren't committed to it.

It isn't enough. I get that. But for me, I look at say that's considerable progress in a very short amount of time and that is just going to continue to grow so It's not going to grow at the same rate that a deferred maintenance backlog is growing. And so yeah, you could say it's never going to get resolved. But if we did that in this county, the way we deal with things, we're never going to end homelessness either. So why spend any money on that?

We're not going to fix the mental health problem that we have. I think we're addressing this and I would be open to more conversation on it. Sounds like you have more interest than maybe we've had in years past on this, and I'd be supportive of bringing back an agenda item that talks about how can we... What are our different options of dealing with this backlog? It can't just all be let's continue to sock more money away. Maybe there's other avenues that we can deal with it. Supervisor Adam.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:50:25

First of all, I don't like that argument that it started a long time ago because we're here now. We're in charge and regardless of whatever anybody did 30 years ago they made some mistakes clearly But they sent us in to figure it out and we're here, and we should do the most responsible thing that we know how to do. And so I don't think we're actually doing that.

We're close, we're fairly close but we're not Quite there yet. And I think that if you recall When I when we first started this conversation, I said let's put 25 million away for 10 years and that would have brought us down in theory We would have paid off that That amount which probably wouldn't work because I think the thing I didn't understand at the time is how fast it was going away from us so we would have made a tremendous dent in it and But and that's the kind of thing you got to do You got to throw a lot of money at this thing in a shorter period of time than you would like to do In order to make those to bend the top line downward You know what you really have to do. You can't just catch, you'll never catch the top line with the bottom line that will not happen so you have to put enough money into the thing to bend the top one So it starts trending down and if if you don't do that It's just it's never you're never gonna catch it And at some point, and I don't think it's that far away.

Somebody will finally say what you just said which was it's too big we can't tackle it. And you know, I do tell people all the time that I believe that you're driving on the best roads no matter how old you are. Just because of our refusal to really engage this. No matter how old you are, you're probably driving on the best roads that you're ever going to drive on in your life right now.

Which is sad. And how can you tell kids that? It really drives me nuts, but I do it anyway just so they're aware. I'm trying to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:52:54

envision Supervisor Adam telling this to my three and a half year old.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:53:00

I'll have lunch with her one of these days and fix her up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:53:05

Well, I really take what you're saying seriously because I agree with it and I think that I do. And as a matter of fact in my previous work at SB CAG we were trying desperately to get additional resources for road investments and transportation investments and the voters of Santa Barbara County wisely invested In that and raise the sales tax measure to provide that funding and the path to the place you're trying to get to is painfully obvious. You know, we need to do what the voters are asking us to do is to is to provide new revenues to address this backlog in deferred maintenance and then the obvious place is for the federal government to do what the state government did And have the gas tax equal inflation over the past 25 years. Let's not even raise the federal gas tax, let's just have the federal gas tax go back to where it was in 1992 and have that money be back in the system.

That's why we have this massive backlog of deferred maintenance on roads is that the state and the federal gas tax which has historically been used to pay for all of this was never adjusted for inflation for 25 years. And the purchasing power eroded. So there's a $6 million a year annual hole from just simply the federal gas tax not being indexed for inflation. And the last time I checked, when people are driving around town, the world has not come to an end when the state raised the gas tax up to account for inflation. So we should be doubling down at the federal level to get the federal government to do the simple thing that the state government has done. That would generate $6 million a year.

To the county for road maintenance that would go for roads as exactly like you're talking about. Because we need to be talking in terms of these kind of scale solutions, to address the gap you're talking about. If we're talking about $1 million here or $500,000 here on an annual budget way in the conversation that's in play today, it's pointless. We need to be talking about $6 million, $7 million. Where's the other $7 million that we could get? Seven and a half million dollars by raising the county sales tax measure by 1% to match what the city of Santa Barbara does. To be less

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:55:16

than- Well as Janet

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:55:17

told me one time. I was really patient while you made your remarks. And I have something to say about this, and I agree with you. And I'm pointing to a path to where you could be successful if you would look outside the box that you approach this from. And so if we were to raise the county or ask the voters if they want to raise the county's sales tax by 1%, we would generate $7.5 million to go with the $6 million that would come from the federal government adjusting the gas tax for inflation.

Options alone are more than $15 million, let alone what we might be able to carve out of future cannabis revenues or fire diversion or additional money that comes from the 18% from the fire fund. Now we're talking closer to $20 million and that's how you solve this problem. There is no way we're going to cut $20 million out of the county's budget. And have that be sustainable or realistic, or a strategy that anybody would support versus asking folks if they want to do these things. Asking the voters, do you want to consider the idea of raising the sales tax 1% to generate $7.5 million that we can put toward deferred maintenance? I think that just seems to me like such a simple question to ask people if they want to do that to solve the problem you're challenging us about.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:56:41

Okay, well as Janet told me one time if you want to do that put an initiative on the ballot and see if people will accept it. And you know that's a great idea I think that we were taxed enough already and I think that we should utilize the money that we get to do the things that people expect us to do which are primarily maintenance and public safety So, you know it's just that it's a philosophical disagreement on this dais and It just is what it is And you know I come up here and say the same thing and get rejected every year. So it's nothing new so And then if you look at the six million from the feds first of all that is out of our control We can't you know we Largely aside from some lobbying efforts, which were already engaged in You know we're passively waiting for the six million to come from the Bank of Unicorns and Rainbows but that's probably Problematic at best and and I don't know whether it's coming or not.

But You know as it's out of our control, I prefer taking the things within our control and allocating them wisely or as As as wisely as we can and like I said, I don't I don' think we've quite quite done that And then you know You add that up and I don't know where you came up with another 7 million dollars. I think you were talking about but the 22 that we're already spending including the SB 1 stuff And the six that you're talking about are 28 and we deferred 38 He

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:58:36

was talking about sales tax as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:58:37

Oh, it's sales tax another

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:58:38

7

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:58:39

million.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:58:39

Okay? Well plus cannabis

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:58:42

Yeah, no, I get it all adds up Absolutely, you are absolutely correct But there's other things that I'd like to take it out of, not doing CCE and not doing things. And I don't know what the fiscal impact was and I wasn't here that week when we decided to replace our cars with electric. And there's probably a fiscal impact to that maybe somebody can figure it out two different ways but Anyway, you know you got 38 million deferred last year. You're looking like at 9% or so Going up on an annual basis and that depends heavily as To what happens with rain on the roads?

And The other thing you've got to remember is when they redo the roads every year They only look at a third So you're only capturing a 3rd of the damage that occurred from last year's. We have supervisor Hartman and

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:00:24

Supervisor Adam, I think you've been used to being rejected on this subject so much that you think this is rejection. He's not rejecting you he's saying he'll go out with you but it just has to be Dutch right? You know you got a meet halfway here. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:00:38

I already did one okay I paid at the office okay I gave it the office.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:00:45

You know we have an actual person on this board now with He's got a career experience in transportation infrastructure and he's laying out a path by which we could close this app. And I think it doesn't take you supporting a sales tax, just takes you putting one on the ballot because if you rely on advocates to put it on the ballot, you know that it will skew towards the advocate's budget priorities instead of our county staff Budget priorities and arguably I would say they probably have better expertise on it so I mean if we put something on the ballot then it's.

The priorities of the institution and not the priorities advocates and so I just ask you to keep on thinking about that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:01:35

case supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:01:37

Thank you, I just wanted to echo my support for maintenance funding over time because it's not just the roads but its active transportation and we really need to fund this. I support what Supervisor Hart has suggested I think it's not, nobody disagrees. We need to do this. The question is over what period of time and what mix of funding? And I don't know whether we might agree for a sales tax or whether we might go towards what Supervisor Lavinino suggested in looking at this in more detail.

But it is a high priority for all of us, but on more mundane things. I just wanted to come back to Bringing forward new ideas for the budget at this point. I did that last year and it kind of Went sideways of what our staff in general services does bringing forward priorities So I'm not inclined to do that. However, we do have a new Animal Services Director and I know there are needs and I would be willing to put $25,000 just for her to look at our facilities in animal services and come back next year with some ideas about what needs to be done. And at least she has a little bit to work with.

For the libraries, I just want to say we've worked really hard. The ad hoc committee and need to call out the zone administrators and the representatives who have served on that. There was a lot of misunderstanding and we've come together I think and had a meeting of Categorizing our libraries and understanding what our fundamental library needs at different levels.

And we're going to keep working for long-term funding strategy, at this point though as said the county has a long history of making up the difference We're continuing to contribute, but we need the cities where there are cities To contribute as well and they have been very generous I want to call out SP keg where we also had a meeting where everybody could Get this same information at the same time And I think that did help the city's understand the rationale and then we match the friends in unincorporated areas two-to-one so So I think there is a fair degree of consensus on library funding. We do have two libraries, Guadalupe and Orchid that have to pay rent and over time we need to figure out how we can get them out of that rent money more into programming so that's something the ad hoc will be looking at.

So the $135,000 for libraries. $426,100 for Community Choice Energy and if we are able to go with another program I would like to see that transfer over into our Strategic energy plan implementation and particularly looking at energy assurance plans. If the utilities have to shut down, exactly how are we going to fill in for emergency energy services? Everyone knows I think I'm a big advocate for the recreation master plan.

I think that will generate more money over time and in a much better recreation system for our countywide For the alternative commute options for employees, I would put that at 50 and for the cannabis tax compliance I'd put that at 100 and I think that gets me to what we have available to allocate

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:05:41

Okay, well I'll go through these really quick. First off, I'd like to hear from Jeanette if you could just on the DA's office. I know we have kind of a master plan. I don't want to get in the way of what's already planned out and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:06:00

Mr. Chair and members of the board We have been working on some security projects for the DA And I know that there are some projects in flux or in flight. I mean they're coming and I'm not exactly sure what the additional Changes they want made

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:06:18

okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:06:19

but this do

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:06:20

you want it? Do you want to guys come up and? I'm only doing this because Joyce isn't here and I just want Meg to have to say something at the meeting, so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:06:37

Thank you. Good morning Chair Lavenino, members of the board. As to Supervisor Hart's Item the 35,000. Thank you so much for supporting that We do have a few things that really need To be addressed hopefully sooner rather than later that are not part of the general services plan for the security build-out A supervisor heart mentioned we certainly have An issue with cramping and we can't figure that out without having some kind of architectural Review for our space. We don't have enough physical space I believe I may have mentioned that In addition, we still have the issue of the environmental problem. The ceiling tiles falling down and we do have a break room that with a modicum amount of money, we can restore improve and that will serve literally half of the office that we have in Santa Maria.

So we'd really like to see that done. All right? Thank you miss Pell stood

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:07:52

back up. This isn't Point counterpoint. No,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:07:56

it's unclear to me if you're talking about the ceiling tiles or the roof. The tiles. Okay so yeah there's probably a few things and I do know they're running out of room and we will be working with the sheriff to see if we can reutilize that space so everyone has a little bit more space to use

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:08:16

Supervisor Adam. If I could ask Mr. Nicola, do you have $35,000 in services and supplies left in fund balance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:08:27

Services and supplies?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:08:35

Supervisor Adam through the chair, I think your question is as far as in the current fiscal year if we have an additional fund

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:08:43

balance.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:08:44

So within fund balance We have a strategic plan that we're already committing $172,000 to Dedicate to our master renovation plan for the North County that were estimated that are Total cost for that facility needs right now are about in the $800,000 range is what was in our CIP book. Of that 800,000 we've committed 172,000 of our Prop 172 fund balance to that project and so this additional money would assist in that effort to get us to where we need to be.

Obviously, getting us to 200,000 is only one-fourth of the total of 800 that we need for the complete project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:09:37

Yeah, but you're asking for 35 for a specific purpose and I don't understand why we can't just roll that fund balance into that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:09:47

So this 35 would be on top of the fund balance that were committing as well so the total CIP, the total project itself is $800,000 of needs for that facility

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:10:00

Well I understand that and you know, that's a capital thing. And you're asking to do some maintenance which I'm not clear on. Isn't that maintenance for $35,000?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:10:13

Yeah it certainly could be considered maintenance as far as the ceiling tiles.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:10:18

Okay so... I'm kind of unclear on why. I realize it seems to have gone from one column to another in your mind But I don't know why you wouldn't just spend it on what it was intended for, which is services and supplies. You could arguably do some maintenance out of that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:10:42

So Supervisor Adam, we submitted a CIP proposal for the $817,000. Our normal budget of that $817,000. We committed $172,000 of our fund balance that was available for that purpose and so that leaves us short you know...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:11:05

Okay but I just want to talk about the $35,000 Sure So you've just added that $35k that's retained in Fund Balance over to the other $172,000?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed2:11:20

So the 35 is on top of the 172.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:11:27

All right, I appreciate it. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and I'm okay with adding that so put me down for the $35,000. Libraries 135. CCE, I'll do $10,000 because I think that's what's going to cost us to join Monterey. Recreation master plan just so people understand why I'm supporting the 350,000 for that we had a proposition 68 allocated $4 billion. Statewide for parks and recreation.

725 million of that is for neighborhood parks in park poor neighborhoods, which I believe my district would fall right into. And I want to make sure that we are primed and ready to compete for those grants so 350,000 there. The 175 for the cannabis tax compliance. And then I put the other 700,000 towards cannabis enforcement. Or whatever's left out of my, is that what I?

Okay. Very good. I do have some remarks as well so we'll just get to those real quick. When I saw CEO Miyasato's budget book, it's entitled Honoring Our Commitments, Transforming Our Future and I thought that's exactly what we're doing with this year's budget. Initially, I wasn't really happy with the budget being scheduled for one day. I think I was the only one that kind of raised a stink.

I know we spent three days in April listening to each department head detail out their wants and needs but I actually wanted more then I came to realize that more is not always better. The fact is because the decisions we made in previous years, we've removed much of the drama out of the budget hearing process. Most part, our last minute ninth inning requests. Many of which were well deserving but generally from my perspective lacked oversight and accountability.

Instead we have a document that's been extremely well vetted. One that delivers on the commitments that we made while simultaneously putting us in position to deal with the next downturn. It's not sexy to put money away for a rainy day but I remember how deep we had to cut when that rainy day came. And so it's imperative that we continue to fully fund our strategic reserve. This budget keeps that promise by increasing our reserves to the industry recommended 8% of operating revenue, a full $36.4 million.

This budget and this board also continued to follow the Northern Branch Jail Operational Funding Plan that we began in 2011. It was a leap of faith back then, a long range plan that structurally changed our budget would only work if future boards continued on with the plan. I want to thank my colleagues, because we'll soon be attending a ribbon cutting in the streets of North County.

We'll be decidedly safer as few officers will have to leave their beat and make the three or four hour round trip to our South County Jail. The price tag for that in this year's budget was $12.9 million. Another structural budget change occurred in 2012. Once again, the board had to make a tough decision with very limited resources. This board voted unanimously to enhance the fire district's property tax share by taking 25% of the incremental property tax growth until we reach 17%. We reached that goal one year ahead of schedule and in 2015 another budgetary formula was implemented.

Due to an ever-growing backlog in deferred maintenance, the board adopted a commitment of taking 8% of unallocated discretionary revenue and directing it at maintenance. When we passed that four short years ago, the budget only allocated $2.6 million. And we saw in the chart that we're spending $22.6 million this fiscal year. And that number will grow even higher now that the fire transfer tax has been completed.

I totally agree with what Supervisor Hart talked about on the federal level, Hoping for federal intervention is not a plan. But we were also told the same thing when we decided, when we mentioned that we needed the state's involvement. We were told that we would never get the state, the state was broke they're never going to do anything and now we have SB 1.

Where in the past we've had drama, we now have formulas. I liked the drama but I love the formulas. These formulas now account for almost $50 million this fiscal year. I feel we're well positioned to deal with the next economic downturn, and I'm confident my colleagues will continue to practice fiscal responsibility. I'd like to thank our CEO Mona Miyasato for her guidance and vision as we continue to do the people's work as efficiently and as effectively as possible.

I appreciate the work of Jeff Frapwell and his budget team for providing technical expertise and information in a very open and transparent manner for the public. Speaking to the public, I'd like to thank the taxpayers of Santa Barbara County. We tend to forget them. No one likes to pay taxes but they are necessary. Your sacrifice enables a foster child to find a new home that puts a roof over the head of a homeless veteran and provides a meal to a hungry senior.

You provide the tools for our law enforcement officers and specialists who assist our mentally ill. You pay the salaries of every one of our 4,247 employees. Thank you. I'd also like to thank our employees. Retirement cost sharing between the county and our employees was negotiated and implemented last fiscal year which resulted in actual net retirement contribution decrease from last year's budget.

For those employees who have been here long enough to remember the Great Recession, thank you for your perseverance. You were asked to do a lot more with less. I hope you are as excited about Renew22 as I am, the initiative that allows you to tell us how we can improve our processes. Your commitment to public service whether it's a social worker, probation officer, mid-level manager and AOP is critical to our overall success.

Thank you for your effort this year and here's to transforming our future. So with that I don't know if we all kind of want to take a break, go back and look at this chart before we make any decisions. If you're okay with that, I would recommend like a 10 minute break, 15 minute break. Let staff kind of compile all this and we'll be back at 1130 to do our final deliberations. Supervisor Williams?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:18:16

Well, I was going to ask a question A question about the 426-100, if that's enough to continue the CCE work as planned. So that input we had gotten when we asked your staff was they need 430 but 426-100 is close

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:18:45

Supervisor Williams through the chair. I think it would be, I think it would be a longer process It's going to be a long process with if the board decides to form a CCE We wouldn't be able to form in 2020 would be 2021 so 430 and this year we probably have to come back and ask for more next year For the work and it's really getting it started and all those staffing and hiring and the consultants and all that work

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:19:07

Thank you. Okay. So what happens if we? allocate four hundred thirty thousand dollars And we come back and we learn that the determination is that joining Monterey makes more financial sense. What happens to those dollars?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:19:26

Supervisors through the chair those dollars would be in their budget and it'd be for the board to Direct us on how to spend that supervisor Hartman had a Had a suggestion So it would really be up to your board and then how you'd want to spend that be in their budget But it'd be at your discretion. And just FYI, I think in the previous years we've funded CCE to build money up in case we wanted to do our own CCE and there's 650 already in that pot

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:19:55

Okay, so that's kind of what I'm struggling with. If there's 650 in the pot and we've just got a report back from a consultant and you're going to bring that back to us?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:09

What's

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:20:09

the other $450,000?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:20:11

Initially the startup costs were about 1.4 million and so the 650 plus the 750 got us to about 1. 4 million was the start up. And then

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:20:22

I'm just still struggling with allocate a similar amount next year's budget to get

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:20:26

there. So what I'm struggling with a lot is The discrepancy between what the startup cost is to do it ourselves and the start up cost to go and join somebody. It's just astronomical, and I can't think of any reason. Well, maybe

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:20:46

we should just try to encourage more cities to be ready to go with Monterey. I think the issue is whether there's enough of a critical mass in Santa Barbara County for Monterey to do both PG&E and SCE territory in Santa Barbara County and this is the jobs part and whether they would consider doing an energy facility here I mean that is...

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:21:13

We don't build anything here. Why would we make

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:21:15

this? That's a thing of the past, Steve! We're going to build some stuff here!

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:21:19

Okay. All right. So we'll take our deliberations thank you and then we'll be back at 1135. Thanks.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:28:33

Yeah. you Yeah, well. Oh no, I'm going to have to because...

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:41:25

All right, so we're coming back. What is this called? Detachment E? It's our favorite. So I guess there's a couple of questions. For me the most imperative thing is to stay within the boundaries of our one-time funds and so however we come to that decision, I think that's my number one priority. So it kind of want to ask a few questions about some of these items For example, on the cannabis tax compliance audit.

How firm are we on that $175,000? That's what it's going to cost us.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction2:42:07

Mr. Chair, that is our best estimate today. Okay,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:42:13

so we're not 100% sure there but that's what we think it's going to cost. Recreation master plan where did 350 come from? Is that a hard and fast number or Is there any wiggle room in that, Mr. Chapgeon?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:42:30

Chair Lavin and members of the board, I'm sorry to say that really isn't because there's a process. And you've got to go through that process to be able to get to the environmental.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:42:40

Okay. So then I guess what this all comes down to is CCE. And so from what I understand yet somebody has $650,000 currently That was allocated this year. And I'm trying to figure out how are you going to spend 650 and another 400 something thousand in this next fiscal year. What's that going to be spent

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:43:07

on? I can go through that, the 650 which is the fund balance we have is to hire outside counsel to develop the JPA agreements, negotiate JPA with cities, county staff etc., hire technical consultants to update the pro forma and develop implementation plans to submit to the CPUC and that's a process too, the CPUC process And then the other additional operating costs would go to hire JPA staff, that would be the executive director. Plus 15 to 20 staff obtain office space, hire key vendors. So those are all operational things getting kind of a company started really.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:43:40

Okay so this is what I'm struggling with. So would we have to spend that money if we joined another CCE? No you wouldn't. I mean, to me we have not made the determination yet whether or not we're going to join Monterey because we haven't really looked at. We don't have the consultant report yet so we're being asked to fund another 400 something thousand which is a million dollars that we really not even sure that we're going to do yet and for me that's a struggle. So Supervisor Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:44:25

I completely understand that. The other viewpoint is, and I'm 50-50 between doing it ourselves and going with Monterey. My issues are, I don't want to foreclose the possibility of doing local generation to create jobs here. I don't want to foreclose the possibility of going along with other local Santa Barbara County cities. Explain to me why that's important, because I don't understand why that's important. So it's if they go and form their own CCE the number of customers creates economies of scale. I mean it's a lot more complicated than that but that's the simple version of it and Look, we have cities that we are partners with on this. So to me it matters if Monterey won't take the cities of the South Coast in SCE territory. We have not heard a definitive number one if they would take county SCE territory or if they'd take City of Santa Barbara and the city of Goleta.

So my issue is only that we should not And I think it's really important that we. Kill the possibility of going with an independent. The CCE before we've reached that juncture and the worst situation. To me, that means is that we would have. A significant amount of money to allocate towards priorities

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:46:16

I'm hearing though, okay so if we heard it let's say we didn't allocate anything for it. And then we come up in July which happens to be next month and you come back and give us these options. Let's say you still wanted to go to start your own CCE.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:46:33

Why wouldn't you be able to do it then? Because you'd be slowed down another year to do it, and by that time... How is he slowing it from a

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:46:41

year if we're

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:46:42

going

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:46:42

to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:46:42

hear

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:46:42

this

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:46:42

thing in a month. Because there's a deadline each time in January to submit a plan as my understanding.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:46:49

Yes. To the CPUC. You have to submit a plan for the CPUC.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:46:52

So you're telling me it's faster to start your own CCE than

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:46:57

it is to join an existing one. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if Monterey turns out to not be possible Or to not fit our preferences and right now on Sam I'm 5050 and the very fact that you're open to Monterey. Makes me even more interested in Monterey but I think if if if the only possibility of doing it for SCE territory ends up doing it ourselves, we would be essentially killing the possibility of doing it on the timeline that we have if we don't allocate enough money today.

And that's why I just think it's important. All three budgets that I've been here for, we have used reserves so I'm not quite sure why it's become a sacred cow but It's a sacred cow to you guys, and it would be nice to be able to say that for the first time in a long time we didn't use any reserves on the budget. So I could support a budget and I could see trimming some things down here to still meet it without using any of the reserves.

Um, but I just think that we need to get pretty close to that 430 number. To be able to allow them to continue in the timeline that we have if that's our only option and I'd love Monterey rushed to the rescue for us, but I think you can't prejudge

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:48:42

that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:48:45

Supervisor, through the chair, so this might help and Mr. Chapman's at the podium. We've met with his staff and I know we're premature talking about the CCE because they are coming back to you in early July looking thoroughly at the different options. Mr. Chaffee mentioned that they do need money if the board does want to go forward with their own CCE, which will make that decision next month of getting a consultant on to do the implementation plan and do some technical studies.

No realistically of hiring the JPA staff is going to happen next fiscal year. It takes us a while to hire anything, unfortunately. So I don't know how much of that makes up the $430,000. But I think that if you did want to go forward we would need to do the technical studies but I don'y know if you would need to hire all the JPA staff next year. That's one thing. The second thing is, again just for full information because I don't want you to be surprised when we come back next month, is that the Monterey option has lots of benefits but lots of issues as Supervisor Williams also talked about.

But when we last met with the staff there was going to be a contribution by the county of about six and half million dollars It could be a loan that we guarantee or it could be cash, but I just want to make sure that everyone's aware there would be greater financial obligation than what we're talking about. And we would figure that out if the board wanted to do that.

So again, the other option because I know you're struggling.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:50:27

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:50:28

I think she's saying that is the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:50:29

independent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:50:30

Yeah, it's about nine million dollars but our share with it because we'd be the largest and I believe the study that are coming back with was the unincorporated county so it didn't rely on the city's participating although we would like our cities to be able to participate and just the last thing is that If we don't know, because it's really a big unknown. We don't know if the board wants to go forward with our own next month when you make that decision but also then throughout the year you have enough money to allocate $250,000 to stay within the reserves as Supervisor Hart suggested so the question would you need an additional $200,000 and Throughout the year we could monitor the department's budget, within its budget salary savings, excess service and supplies, excess revenues within their budget as we proceed along the year to cover some of that cost.

But again I don't know if we're going to need the full cost to hire all those JPA staff and the question who is the JPA at that point? Is it the board or is it us with other agencies so it would be a whole new organization.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:51:39

My issue is that this has been a very divided board on the subject matter and so relying on a four vote majority to allocate additional funds gives one member of a board that might be in the minority, a chance to kill the board's biggest priority. And every year we've delayed this The legislature takes more actions, or the PUC takes more actions to make it harder for us. So one more year of delay is a significant issue. And so that is why It is a priority for me to make sure that the department in the event that we move forward with an independent has the money to move forward as an independent and not wait Another year for it to get even worse financially for us to do so.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:52:35

OK. So I guess that's a policy call. All right. So we all have our Mr. Preble you want to summarize table E.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction2:52:45

Sure. Mr. Chairman members of the board. So what you have in front of you here is I would draw your attention to the first column of numbers And that column there has been populated to where the numbers across your board have not been consistent. We've taken the lowest common denominator and kind of populated that, and you can see by doing that we're at least those issues had at least three votes I think

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:53:39

I mean, I don't want to speak for the board because I'm at $10,000. But it would seem like the way that everybody's talking about that you I'm guessing you guys want to take that 66,000 and put it towards CCE correct? And at least get it up to three whatever that is. I went to school a long time ago. So do you want it? Is everybody nodding on that? Yeah,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:54:06

you have three votes for that, correct?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:54:07

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:54:09

And I just have one other suggestion that I ran by. Mr. Frapwell is, we don't really know how much the cannabis tax compliant audit is going to be and so allocating 100 grand towards it should be enough. We also have additional revenue and I prize Jeff's talents and he liked that idea a lot more than using a tiny bit of reserves. So, I would just suggest that we put cannabis tax compliance audit to 100K and put that towards CCE as well then call it a day.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:54:45

Okay. And any overage that we get in cannabis tax revenue the first chunk of that would go towards No, I'm talking about that would backfill that cannabis tax compliance on it. Yeah, absolutely. That makes sense right? All right

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:55:03

and I just add to that. I mean, I think that it's a responsible call in the context of what we've been talking about for capital to at least designate half of remaining cannabis tax revenue towards deferred maintenance for this fiscal year. But I'm happy to do that in a separate motion if that's yeah disagreement. I thought that was going to be a kumbaya but well

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:55:28

You know that that gets to supervisor Adams point of for me. I think we need a you know another 100,000 or 200 thousands 300 thousands not going to change I'd rather wait for us to have the meeting about what the long-term looks like before we make another commitment like that so. I was I was just yeah, I try to make it a little bit and I know you know it's fine OK so this is kind of where we landed so recap is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:55:57

I think there are three nods on the head for the tax compliance to go to $100,000 and then put the $75,000. Is that what you said? Yeah. So take that $100,000 on your green sheet. No

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:56:09

just on the green

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:56:10

side is all we really care about anymore. And add that $75k to the CCE.

CommentFunctional Group General GovernmentProposed · by introduction2:56:15

Mr. Chair, I do want to bring one more thing to your attention what we've done and we've added there on the very bottom with a zero cost. We've added the what I think I heard your board talk about was additional planner positions for planning to deal with the number of applications so I don't know if you, there's no cost because it was offset by obviously permit revenue. But that was something we heard and wanted to get your direction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:56:39

Why didn't you put up there and then just put a zero dollar next to

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:56:42

it? It showed us zero dollars. I thought those were two planners that were already discussed in the budget workshop so you're talking about another two. Okay well hey however many they got to put in there. That's cost negative. Yeah, neutral for me is fine. Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:56:57

Adam? See I don't understand why you guys don't have to go put a tax on the ballot for CCE. How come we get to strip out general fund money for CCE and other stuff without getting into a long list? Because they have three votes. For the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:57:13

same reason, it's for three votes you could allocate infrastructure funds.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:57:16

Well on the other, the answer is that the CCE startup costs are a loan to the CCE. They're going to come back so this is not an expenditure. This is an advance that comes back of the revenues from the operation of the program.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:57:34

Which I haven't been convinced of yet but that's what you'll have I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:57:42

And in the meantime, we defer more maintenance and it gets more expensive

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:57:49

but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:57:50

I am redundant.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:57:51

So with that green list just want to make sure Mr. Frapwell we are within... We're not spending any reserves this was part of the discretionary revenue that you gave this board direction to fund their priorities Correct correct. OK so out of the very limited 1 million dollars one million eighty six thousand one hundred dollars we found a way to spend it and that does have looks like consensus I'll just say look from my perspective This is what budgets are. I mean, I'm not going to fall on the sword over one line item that's $391,000 out of a 1.1 billion dollar budget. There's obviously things in here everybody's got heartburn with but I also realize where my place is and I can argue about these things but I look at this budget as an overall package it's huge For me, it has a lot of the priorities that I'm concerned about taking care of.

I feel like we're on the right path and I'll deal with these individual expenditures as they come along and hopefully be able to sway some votes that way. Supervisor Hart?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:59:11

Yeah, I agree 100%. I think stand at the 40,000 foot level. No service reductions planning ahead for a potential recession by building in declining revenues over time is really smart. We're making sustainable progress toward meeting the long term financial commitments. There's a difference of opinion about how fast we should be doing that or not but we are making progress so that got us pause and say and ahead of the target that was identified in 2014.

And full funding of a strategic reserve, I think that's a really great place to be starting or finishing a budget process. Supervisor Hartman?

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:59:49

I think that was eloquently stated, both of you. And I just wanted to add that cannabis enforcement is clearly a very high priority and we've doubled our enforcement budget this year. We have four new planners so I feel confident that we're going to continue to make good progress with the extraordinary work that's being done on that front. So just wanted to highlight that and I don't know if we want to discuss if in fact we do have additional cannabis revenues and where we'd like to see them, but for me PCI would be a high priority. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed3:00:31

All right

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:00:31

Supervisor Adam

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed3:00:34

If we were three or four hundred thousand off I would yeah, I would go for it. I totally subscribe to that Argument that that it's a huge budget Huge document huge effort by staff to put this together and that's why I gave such high marks to the to the overall effort but You know, it's it's just We don't fund To the point where that Biff three line Gets bent down and that's that's got to be the the Criteria, you know no nobody from none of my constituents and Plenty of other people from all over the county have ever taken told me to slow down the damage as much as I could Or take half a loaf You know I think I have been stroked a lot for saying things that don't get adopted but.

Are out there in the world and and have become kind of a part of the The whole budgeting process and everything else. So, you know took something That wasn't on anybody's radar and put it there in a permanent manner and that's that's been good And last year I did vote for the budget and I did so because I felt that it represented a major change In that we committed significantly more general fund to the maintenance effort And this year we relied on one-time money and contributions from state sources, which may or may not continue to make up the expansion.

I feel like you're not really taking the bull by the horns unless you arrest that growth number and use general fund to do it. So if I can't support this budget this year, it's because I want to set the bar higher. I want us to be successful and if I start voting for the budget before we solve this very real and growing problem even though we are making significantly larger effort than in the past, I fear that will be demotivated to continue towards the goal of reducing the accumulated deferred maintenance in the future

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:03:00

All right, well as the resident half loafer I'll just have to say that my residents understand. I think that I'm not going to get all of my priorities taken care of or all their priorities so I think most people are looking for me to do best possible outcome that I see and in this budget that's kind of where we're at. So I have ideals they're just not all gonna get addressed and I'll be supporting this budget

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:03:30

Supervisor Williams. I was just going to agree with your constructive positivity. I think this budget makes progress, just from the fact that I didn't get my way from dipping slightly in the reserves. It's even more of a bragging point. That we are more secure enough that we're not dipping into reserves to take care of our priorities. And that really, that we've been able to substantially increase our cannabis enforcement team without endangering other priorities.

And I hear both Mr. Labadino and Mr. Adam on infrastructure, I think the curve, the steepening of the curve in terms is a healthy thing of our spending. It's meant that we've kept pace, but not won a whole lot of ground yet is what the gap remains. And I hear you that the gap remains. But I do think that Mr. Hart has articulated some ideas and I think there may be others out there and I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Lavinia's proposal to put that as a D item at some point to talk a little bit more about.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:04:59

All right, can you get a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:05:01

And I don't want to forget that it helps save a whole lot of libraries too. This should be a real victory that our investment in the libraries of this county has had to grow the last couple years but it will pay off for our residents through the cannabis tax. That's right, paid for by the Cannabis Tax. But a needed service that the county is one of the parties responsible for providing.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:05:37

Very good. Can I get a motion for A through H? Oh, Mr. Gazzone first

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:05:42

chair and supervisors Part of what you're acting on today at recommended action F is Adding in those two planning positions so that the motion as written or as recommended actions is clear on that But I just want to underscore That staff would then be updating their resolution to show the two additional Positions and increase all the totals and then bring it back to you for signature And that's part of your of your motion

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:06:06

okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:06:08

So moved. Roll call, please.

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Roll-call vote Failed 1–1 moved. Roll call,
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Mr. Williams, aye. Mr. Hart, aye. Ms. Hartman, aye. Mr Adam, no. Chair Lavagnino, aye Motion passes 4-1 with Supervisor Adams voting no.
ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:06:41

Okay we still have item 2 which should be very quick but can I get that read in please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:06:48

Chair Lavagnino, members of the board, departmental item number two for budget hearings today is from the county executive office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding fiscal year 2019 through 2020 recommended budget for the County of Santa Barbara as successor agency to the former County of Santa Barbara Redevelopment Agency.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:07:09

Is there a presentation or anything? No? Okay can I get a motion to move items A and B? Second. Moved and seconded. Roll call.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:07:20

Thank you very much

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:07:21

for

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:07:22

coming today and

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:07:22

we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:07:23

will adjourn to Tuesday,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:07:25

June

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:07:25

18th in Santa

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:07:26

Maria.

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