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Thank you. Thank you.
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Good morning. I'd like to welcome everybody to this meeting of the County Board of Supervisors for Tuesday, October 8th. Madam Clerk can I get a roll call please?
Mr. Hart? Here. Ms. Hartman? Here. Mr. Adam? Here! Mr. Williams? Mr Williams in Santa Barbara?
Mueller? I'm here.
Chair Lavenino?
Mr Chair
can
you hear me?
We can hear you. We can't see you but we can hear you. I'd rather be able to see you and not hear you, but that's okay. There we are. Yeah, I set up my own jokes. I saw Peter was trying to jump on it so I had to go for it. All right can I get a motion to approve the minutes of October 1st?
So moved.
Moved and seconded roll call please.
Ms. Hartman?
Aye.
Mr. Adam? Aye. Mr. Williams? Aye Chair Lavanino?
Aye
Motion passes unanimous
Okay, do we have any announcements about the agenda this morning?
Yes, Chair Lavinino and members of the board. I have two quick announcements this morning. We posted an addendum to the agenda on Friday amending departmental item number 2. This is from the Agricultural Commissioner. Amending the recommendations it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an industrial hemp presentation and we also added recommendation B.
And my second announcement this morning, we received a request from the department on administrative item A6. This is from General Services and it is to consider recommendations regarding a sublease with the State of California's Employment Development Department, EDD at One Stop Workforce Resource Center 1410 South Broadway in Santa Maria. This is in the fifth district, and the department is requesting that recommendation B be deleted from today's agenda.
And that's all I have this morning.
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Okay, that makes sense, all right. Okay so let's go to CEO's report
Good morning, Chair Lavenino and board members. I have three quick announcements this morning. One is just letting everyone in our community know that we know the dangers of a public safety power shutdown where the utilities de-energize the lines is real. There's a large one occurring in Northern California starting on Wednesday not in Santa Barbara County but we are continuing to inform the community and so to learn more about a PSPS program.
All members are invited to meetings that are being scheduled across the county. The next one is scheduled for this building here in Santa Maria on October 14th, which is Monday at 5.30 PM here at the government center and we'll be scheduling more throughout the next few months. And at that meeting PG&E and county public safety officials will provide information to help individuals make important safety decisions. And to prepare for possible extended shutdowns, and to get more information they can look at our website at readysbc.org.
In addition I just wanted to note that in our local paper today there was an article about the dangers of vaping. And it's become obviously a national issue, as well as an issue here in Santa Barbara County. And our public health department will be returning to the board in the next couple of months with asking the board to take some actions on e-cigarettes and vaping. So just to let you know that's coming.
And lastly, I'm happy to have today members of our planning department come up. Unlike other departments as you know, planning serves a vital role in that we have permitting that's required in order to help our community and our businesses get permits. And so from time and time again your board has asked planning where are they in filling recruitments particularly in permitting?
And I am pleased to say that we have Director Plowman in South County and Assistant Director Jeff Wilson here in North County. That they are current on, I think all but one of their recruitments so I've asked them to introduce their new staff and just say a few words. So Lisa?
Good morning Mr. Chair, members of the board I am very excited to tell you that we've been working really hard over the last six months to bring on new staff and to promote internal candidates and we have a total of 24 promotions and new hires That we've made and so we want to take this opportunity to introduce them to you. I'm going to go ahead and start here in South County, and then Mr Wilson is going to take over in the North County.
I do want to say one thing Jeff, I don't want to steal Jeff's thunder. But we have our new Deputy Director for Development Review in the audience in North County, and he's going to go ahead and introduce him. That's Travis Seaward so we're really excited to have him. He hasn't started yet. He starts October 21st but he was willing to come today and meet the board.
So P&D team you want to join me up here? All right, I would like to introduce, you've met Sean Stewart. He was a Planner 2 and he's been promoted to a Planner 3. We also have next to him Joe Dargle who has been promoted to Supervising Planner then we have Let me make sure I get everybody's name. Delaney Roney, and she is a new Planner 1. Oh, I'd be looking this way, sorry. New Planner 1.
And then we have Willow Brown who is next to her. And then we have Dara Elkhurdy who is right next to her there. And then we have Ray Harmon who has been a Planner 2 and promoted to a Planner 3. Venegas, thank you. She has been promoted to a planner too. Then we have Kiera Ristig and she's been promoted to a planner too. We have Tess Harris who just recently received a promotion behind her to a supervising planner. Then we have Chris Schmuckel who's been promoted to a planner too. We have Kyle Jordan who's been promoted to a planner too. We have Travis Lee Who's been promoted to a planner too. And then we have Cara Koenig, who is our new Planner 1. So those are the folks in South County that we have and then Jeff Wilson if you would be willing to introduce folks in North County.
Good morning, Chair and members of the board. I almost went to my other role. I'm excited to be here today. I want to introduce the North County contingent that's here if you could please join me as well. And to segue into what Director Plowman mentioned earlier, I do want to introduce two of our team leaders in Santa Maria. As they get adjusted. I introduce Travis Seward, who is going to be the new deputy director of the development review division and then to his right is Holly Owen who's going to be taking over as supervising planner in the North County team and then we also have Eric Gomez and Ben Singer, and Aaliyah Vosburg that's here. That's going to do that. And then those for honorable mentions that are out of the office for a number of reasons.
Gwen Baylor was promoted to Planner 3, she's been with us for two years. Melanie Jackson was promoted to Planner 3. She's been with us for a little under a year, and then Steven Peterson was hired as a Planner 3. And so we have a number of individuals in North County office that's working on both cannabis as well as development review projects. So we're excited to be here and excited to have this new team to work on the county and building communities. Thank you.
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One more thing, we have a new planner three in the energy and compliance division. And it's Jacqueline Wibera and she's actually at a site visit today and couldn't be with us. But I just were really excited to have the team as complete as we do. We have a few positions in building and safety that we're working hard to fill but we feel really, really positive about all of our new staff and the promotions and so we're excited to get working. Thank you so much for having us today.
Thank you so much and I think this is a milestone day, and I'm very excited about this. I know that this took a lot of effort on the part of P&D as well as HR. So we appreciate all of your efforts and welcome everybody, all of our new employees. I think if you stay around just for a few minutes. You're going to hear a story of somebody that's being recognized today, that actually started off as an intern at UCSB and then spent a 30-year career here. So we're asking all of you to commit today To 30 years working for the county.
So this is a big step forward for the public to know that a lot of these applications are being reviewed, that we're trying to get these items moved forward so they can get a thumbs up or a thumbs down and we can make final determination. And this is a big step forward moving forward on that, so we appreciate all the efforts that have gone into that. All right, so- Mr.
Chair? Yes. I just want to chime in too because it is really, to me, inspiring to see so many new faces in P&E and my hope is we'll make sure that it's a workplace that they'll want to stay for 30 years. And I think that's the mission is to get the public work done and Have a feeling of purpose and hopefully sometimes enjoyment along the way. So welcome.
Supervisor Hart?
Yeah, I just want to add my thanks too. It's really a pleasure to have all of you here today. We're really excited to have you as part of the county team. You have very difficult jobs. There are a lot of competing interests involved in the work that you do but it's really important. The public is critically engaged all the time on planning issues and you're really at the front lines of implementing our policies and working directly with the public. And I know that with the great leadership that you have in the department that you'll do a wonderful job and really look forward to great things From the Planning and Development Department. Thank you. Supervisor Hartman?
Well, I'll chime in here too. And having served on the planning commission, I have an additional level of appreciation. This job is a really, really hard job. It takes a lot of technical expertise. It also takes a lot of human relations skills in dealing with conflict. And you're the face of the county going forward, facing outward. And so we're really excited to have you and have so much new energy and excitement in the department.
Again a special shout out to Director Plowman to be able to recruit such a fine class.
Absolutely. All right, let's go to our resolutions for the day. Can I get a motion to approve items A1 through A3?
Second.
Moved and seconded. Roll call please.
Mr Hart? Ms Hartman? Aye. Mr Adam? Aye. Mr Williams? Aye Chair Lavenino?
Aye
Motion passes unanimous.
Okay can we get you to read item A1 in please
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Chair Lavinino and members of the board. Administrative item number one is sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Lavinino. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming October 10th, 2018 as World Homeless Day in Santa Barbara County. And if I can have Sylvia Bernard and Kimberly Albers to our podium? And anyone else you'd like to join with you? Whereas Santa Barbara County counted 1,803 persons experiencing homelessness during the January 2018 point in time count and the number of unsheltered persons increased 27% from 2017. And whereas 76% of community members experiencing homelessness responded they first became homeless in Santa Barbara County with 60% of them those surveyed having lived in Santa Barbara County 11 or more years. And whereas, since 2010 World Homeless Day has been observed on every continent except Antarctica and is commemorated in several dozen countries.
And whereas the purpose of World Homeless Day is to draw attention to the needs of persons experiencing homelessness locally and provide opportunities for the community to get involved in responding to homelessness while taking advantage of the public awareness Provided by an International Day presents an opportunity to focus community attention on the need for housing and supportive services for significant part of the county's residents. And whereas, Santa Barbara County commends the dedicated and trusted group of agencies organizations and individuals who work tirelessly to serve individuals and families experiencing homelessness across the region And whereas the Santa Maria and Santa Barbara County Continuum of Care has assessed over 1,600 families and individuals in need of housing through a community-wide network of homeless services and housing resources while streamlining standardizing and coordinating the homeless intake assessment and referral process.
And whereas there are significant steps everyone can take to reduce the incidences of homelessness such as educating people about homelessness issues celebrating and supporting local good works Highlighting local issues, donating to local service providers, volunteering to help, thanking volunteers with certificates and awards, inviting a guest speaker to your next social gathering, hosting a fundraiser, tweeting hashtag world homeless day at Homeless Day, and supporting the development of additional permanent supportive housing throughout Santa Barbara County. Now therefore, it is hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County does hereby proclaim October 10th 2019 as World Homeless Day in Santa Barbara County passed and adopted today
My name is Sylvia Bernard. I'm the Executive Director of Good Samaritan Shelter, but I also serve as the Chair of the Santa Maria-Santa Barbara County Continuum of Care. I just want to thank the Board of Supervisors for acknowledging World Homeless Day, identifying that we have a housing crisis in our county. That homelessness is a real issue and it affects all of our communities, and it's important that we continue to fight the fight. I also want to thank the Board of Supervisors for all the funding that you commit to the agencies and the providers to be able to deliver services and try and keep people off the streets and get them to housing. I also want to thank all the providers.
There are several in the room, but all the providers that are working to be able to serve individuals and families that experience homelessness and to be able to make it a one-time experience and be able to go back into the community.
So I will let Kim take over. Chair Lavinino, members of the board. It's my pleasure as well to be here and thank you for the opportunity to highlight this issue bringing awareness, the resolution that brings awareness to homelessness, the crisis we have across Santa Barbara County. World Homeless Day is a chance to dedicate ourselves to understanding their needs and committing ourselves to proven solutions like housing and services as stated in the resolution. There are a number of events happening across the county in October to highlight housing and homelessness issues on the Housing and Community Development Department webpage. There's a full list, but I don't want to miss the opportunity to highlight the veteran stand down happening on October 19th, as well as Housing Santa Barbara Day happening on the 19th.
And on World Homeless Day we have a presentation of a film at The Sandbox in Santa Barbara, Us Versus Them. So I just encourage every community member, stakeholder and leader to pick an event off of that busy calendar highlighting housing and homelessness issues Invite a friend and let us continue to work together to solve this issue. So thank you again for recognizing October 10th as World Homeless Day, and continuing to work together with us on this issue. All
right, item A2 please.
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Chair Lavinino, members of the board. Administrative item number two is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming the week of October 6th 2019 through October 12th 2019 as National Fire Prevention Week in Santa Barbara County and if I can have our fire chief Mark Hartwig get to the podium and anyone you'd like to join with
you.
Whereas, October 6th through 12th has been declared National Fire Prevention Week as a time to reflect on the importance of fire safety education and prevention. And whereas the 2019 National Fire Prevention Week theme, Not Every Hero Wears A Cape, Plan and Practice Your Escape works to educate everyone about the small but important actions they can take to keep themselves and those around them safe including planning their escape route, testing smoke alarms, practicing the home fire drill twice a year And being wildfire prepared by creating defensible space around their home and following the ready, set, go program. And whereas fire is a serious public safety concern both locally and nationally. And homes are the locations where people are at the greatest risk from fire.
And whereas Santa Barbara County residents who have planned and practiced a home fire escape plan are more prepared and will therefore be more likely to survive a fire. And whereas the 2019 Fire Prevention Week theme Not every hero wears a cape, plan and practice your escape effectively serves to remind us that we need to take personal steps increase our safety from fire.
Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors proclaims the week of October 6th through the 12th 2018 as National Fire Prevention Week throughout Santa Barbara County and encourages everyone to participate in fire prevention activities at home work school and all locations making this fire prevention week the beginning Of a year long effort to improve fire safety passed and adopted today.
Chair, members of the board, Ms. Miyasato. It's a personal responsibility Fire Prevention Week. Really, fire prevention at all is a personal responsibility. I want to challenge everybody if you don't do anything this week is to go to sbcready.org SBCReady.org, great information about how you can be prepared for the next emergency. Also sbcfire.com is another great website. We have worked hard in this county to partner with our communities for clearance especially here on our brush prone areas and then we also have done A lot here to be storm ready and of course as we shift from fire season into rainy season, we encourage you to be a storm ready as well.
I just wanted to recognize the members of our fire prevention office, Fire Marshal Robbie Hazard and his staff. They do a lot of plan check, they do a lot of prevention investigation but they also do public education and so I wanted to shout out to Fire Marshal Hazard and his staff and the hard work and we look forward to working together with the community as we move forward here On our fire prevention week especially, and then on the emergencies that we have coming up. And of course the Office of Emergency Management with the county. Thank you. All
right thank you very much A3.
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Chair Lavinino and members of the board, administrative item number three is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. It is to adopt a resolution of accommodation honoring Wendy Stanley upon her retirement from the probation department after over 30 years of dedicated service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County. And if I can have Wendy Stanley to the podium? Go ahead and read the resolution.
Whereas, Wendy Stanley was born in Saddlebrook, New Jersey and raised in Agoura, California. She relocated to Santa Barbara County where she attended the University of California Santa Barbara and volunteered with the Santa Barbara County Probation Department while attending school. She graduated from UCSB in 1987 with a Bachelor of Arts in Law & Society and was subsequently hired by the Santa Barbara County Probation Department in 1989 And whereas, Manager Stanley was initially assigned a child support caseload in the Santa Maria Adult Supervision Unit as a probation officer. She rose to the ranks ultimately being promoted to Probation Manager in 2007. Additionally, Manager Stanley held positions as a Deputy Probation Officer III and Supervising Probation Officer.
And whereas during her tenure with the Santa Barbara County Probation Department, Manager Stanley worked in all four divisions of the department And interacted with numerous officers, adults and youth. Many of which have benefited from her passion for effecting change. Additionally she mentored and trained many officers positively impacting their professional development. Whereas manager Stanley received several accolades during her career. Receiving the probation peace officer association community enrichment award in 2005. Santa Barbara County Probation Department Chiefs Award in 2015.
was named a Paul Harris Fellow by Rotary International in 2016 and received a Certificate of Recognition from State Senator Hannah Beth Jackson for outstanding contributions to the Santa Barbara community in 2018. And whereas Manager Stanley is looking forward to spending time with her husband Britt, daughter Johanna, son Cameron and continuing to follow the New York Giants and Los Angeles Angels She will be relocating to Tennessee and is planning to make many new memories with her family and friends. Now therefore, be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Wendy Stanley for 30 years of dedicated service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County and the Santa Barbara County Probation Department and extend to her best wishes for fulfilling enjoyable and rewarding retirement passed and adopted today.
Chair, Supervisors. I'm Tanya Heitman, Chief Probation Officer and I want to thank you for the opportunity to recognize Manager Wendy Stanley today. As you heard in the resolution, Wendy has served the Santa Barbara County residents and the probation department for over 30 years. She's been involved in many important initiatives over the years as well as having worked in all divisions of the department. We will miss Wendy's sharp wit, sound technical skills and vast knowledge of community corrections and juvenile facilities. But we're glad that she and her family will be able to enjoy a new adventure in retirement. On behalf of the probation department I want to thank Wendy and congratulate her
Chair Lavinino, board members. I wrote this down because I didn't think I'd get through it otherwise so It's with a great deal of mixed emotions that I'm here today with just over a week of service left in my career. I've worked for the probation department for over 30 years and as you heard volunteered before that while still in college at UCSB I did work in all four divisions, adult, juvenile institutions and administration. Some longer than others and have worked for six chiefs seven if you include my volunteer time and eight if you count Bev Taylor twice.
I got married bought a home had two children lost both my parents and in-laws and suffered significant health issues during my tenure My probation family was a constant strength during this time. That's why I wrote it down, and I will never forget the people with whom I've spent so much of my waking hours. I have loved what I've done over the years, supervising adults on caseloads from 40 to 1400.
Providing thoughtful and complete investigations and serving as a court hearing officer in adult investigations. Interviewing and assessing youth to determine the direction their case should take in juvenile investigations. Working on grants and special projects. I'm providing safe and rehabilitative services to youth in detention. I enjoyed collaborating with other agencies and departments, both locally and on the state level.
It's now time to
move on to the next season of my life. We have purchased a home in Tennessee, though we will not likely be moving there till sometime in 2020. I look forward to a slower lifestyle and being able to spend time on some of my pastimes that have been ignored over the years. I must take a moment to express my love An appreciation for my family, sorry. Johanna and Cameron have joked about being on probation for their whole lives.
And this is the only job Brit has known me to have. My husband and kids have been constant supporters of all my endeavors. From crazy work schedules to 3 AM phone calls, to not asking too many questions about that random stranger who just walked up and said hi to me in the parking lot or in the store. They've been beside me for this journey. Maybe they just didn't know anything different?
Either way thank you for letting me have such a fulfilling career. My friends and church family have also provided me much needed respite from the stressfulness of my work life. While they didn't often quite understand what I did for a living or experienced while on the job, they always provided support guidance and strength. And I know that they covered me in constant prayer to keep me safe.
Thank you to the county and to the probation department for the opportunities that I have had to grow as a person, and to serve the people of Santa Barbara County. I will forever be grateful for the life that I've lived.
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Our loss is Tennessee's gain. And you have a beautiful home there, I've seen pictures of it and the dollar goes a little bit further in Tennessee than it does Santa Barbara County. But just not, it's your whole family too, Britt and your community service working with Kata and we really appreciate everything your family has done and we just wish you all the best so.
All right, so see if you stay around 30 years, Look at all the good you can do. Yeah, you too. All right, we will now move to are there any items that the public has wished to pull from the administrative agenda?
Chair Lavinino and members of the board I have one request to speak on the administrative agenda and that's item
A1. Any board members wish to pull any items? Okay, please reread A1 and its been re-read just to refresh everybody's memory.
Yes, Chair Lavinino and members of the board. Administrative item number one was a resolution sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Lavinino. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming October 10th 2018 as World Homeless Day in Santa Barbara County. And I have one request to speak in Santa Barbara and that's Emily Allen
Good morning, Chair Lavagnino and Board. My name is Emily Allen and we just wanted to thank you here from Santa Barbara also. I'm the Director of Impact Initiatives with the United Way Home for Good. And as you heard, and we just want to invite you to a screening of the film Us & Them That will be held this Thursday, October 10th at the Sandbox in Santa Barbara starting at 530 PM. And we really do believe that events like this can bring the community together to hear powerful and inspiring stories of people who have experienced homelessness and show that these residents really can find hope and stability with housing and supportive services. So thank you very much. Thank
you Emily. All right, since there's no other requests on the balance of the A agenda. Can I get a motion to move the balance?
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So moved.
With the changes that the clerk indicated. Seconded. Moved and seconded. Roll call please.
Mr Hart? Aye. Ms Hartman? Aye. Mr Adam? Aye Mr Williams? Aye Chair Lavenino?
Aye
Motion passes unanimous.
This takes us to time in the meeting for public comment Do we have any request from the public?
Yes, Chair Lavinino and members of the board. I have two requests to speak on today's general public comment. I'm going to begin in Santa Barbara with Ed Kalaski and then we're going to return here in Santa Maria for Lil Clary. Ed?
Put my drawing up, Ken. Thank you. I call my talk today Alex Peugeot's decision. He is the Chairman of the Board of Architectural Review and this is how I got here. Instead of reviewing our project in June 2014, Alex elected to just kick us out of the meeting. We weren't allowed to show our drawing. None of the other members ever saw our drawing at that time And I didn't realize that after the or before the fifth meeting, you're supposed to make an extortion payment.
Apparently, I wasn't told you're supposed to make a little contribution to get your project reviewed. What kind of a system do we have down there where Alex has total control? If he doesn't want to show your project, he doesn't have to show your project. It's up to you to decide what to do." He kicked us out of the meeting in 15 seconds! We weren't allowed to make a comment.
He had someone jump up and scream at us, side loading, side loading. Which means that your second story is located solely over the garage. If you look at that drawing, that drawing is actually in their 64 page report. They didn't include everything. They didn't include the overlay which would show exactly where the second story is with respect to the ground floor.
But if you look at that drawing, you can see that there's a portion over the garage. There's a portion over the laundry room and then over the kitchen and over the dining room. How could anyone conceive of anything different? Yet Alex didn't get his extortion payment so it's up to you. What do you do? You go before the Board of Supervisors and at that time we had Janet Wolfe here our corrupt supervisor No, she doesn't want to talk to me. No, she doesn't want to see me. She's got confidence in the Board of Architectural Review.
For what? This is what we live for? This is the government that we put in place? Five people sit up here and do nothing? It's time! It's long over time. I've been here five-and-a-half years. What a system that we have. Life and liberty for those to make the extortion payment? That's what you stand for, or do you just stand for nothing? Absolutely nothing! Why do we have supervisors to begin with?
It's time to have Alex Pujo removed. Someone has got to step up Someone's got to figure out, this is not our government. This is a dictatorship member downstairs and he needs to be removed. Thank you.
And we are going to return to Santa Maria for our final speaker, Lil Clary.
Good morning.
Morning. You can bring the mic just down a little bit, Lil.
Okay. Thank you. Here we are. Lil Clary, Tepeskaya Canyon and with me today is Linda Tunnel another neighbor and resident of Tepeskaya Canyon. You've seen us a lot over the past couple of years on the cannabis issue we're not here to talk about that today thank goodness. We are here today however to thank County Fire and the other emergency services for their immediate response to the fire in Tepescaya Canyon this last Saturday Within two hours, they had suppressed the fire and were doing mop-up.
Tanker dropped fire retardant and helicopters did precision water drops. Crews spent the night at the site monitoring the situation in case of a flare up. We cannot tell you how much we appreciate those services. The fire started at the southern end of the canyon, very close to Kathy Donovan's home. And I want to tell you that Linda Tunnel and her husband were driving by that region when the fire started and stopped to provide help. Kathy Donovan and members of her family pulled out heavy equipment ready to roll.
You know we try to be self-sufficient out in the canyon. Had the wind speed been higher or the response slower, the entire canyon from Santa Maria Mesa Road to 166 could have been engulfed. Since the canyon has only one roadway, the route north with narrow and narrow it's barely a lane and a half wide blind corners and sharp hairpin turns this would have been the only evacuation route and the recipe for disaster. I think it's totally appropriate that Rob and the crew were here this morning we want to thank them sincerely for their services and thank you all.
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All right, thank you very much. So that closes out public comment. Ready to move right into the D agenda. So Madam Clerk can we read D1 please?
Chair Lavinino and members of the board, departmental item number one is from human resources. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an amendment to the ordinance setting compensation and benefits for members of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors.
Sorry. There we go, good morning. Good morning Chair Lavinino and members of the board. This morning I'm introducing the first reading of an ordinance to amend the current county ordinance number 5061 which sets compensation and benefits for members of the Board of Supervisors. I'm recommending the following four changes. Number one. Increase board salaries by 3% consistent with direction given by a previous board to tie compensation to the consumer price index for urban areas.
Number two, implement a second year of pension cost sharing up to 0.85% for members of the board in classic and legacy health plans, retirement plans. Raise the county contribution for health insurance by 2.5% for board members enrolled in and receiving county-sponsored health insurance. This is the same increase that all county employees on health plans will receive for the 2020 plan year. And number four, increase automobile allowance by $7 to align with the automobile allowance received by other elected department officials.
Erin and I are here, she's my workforce planning manager and we're available to answer questions.
Is there any public, any questions from the board members? Supervisor Hartman?
Yes, could you tell me what the CPI for the urban areas was this year? For this year it was 4.1. And so you're proposing 3%.
I think that's because the board directive was maximum 3%. Correct. All right, perfect. Any requests from the public?
Chair Lavinino and members of the board, I do have one request to speak and we're going to Santa Barbara. That's Ed Kolaski. Is Ed still in Santa Barbara? Yep. Okay.
He is. Good morning. Probably figure out what my position is on this. The increased salaries for the Board of Supervisors, one that has done nothing for me for five and a half years, one that I have come down here almost every meeting. I've given at least about 100 talks here, literally 100 talks here before the Board of Supervisors and maybe 70 or 80 downstairs Before the Board of Architectural Review, there's no one to talk to.
Just a bunch of people sitting around and you want a pay raise? You know, you should do something really good for the community. Cut your time by 3%. That would be a start. There's no point in this discussions to go on here. Absolutely none, no one is in control. You know the first few years when I was giving talks over here, I was trying to find out who's in charge? Was it Janet Wolf?
She wouldn't tell me. She was my district rep. Who looks out after the public downstairs? Is it Alex Peugeot, or is he stuffing his pockets or what? Who's talking to the contractors? Is it Alex Peugeot? Was it Janet Wolfe? Someone had to be taking bribes. There's no way that this could go on for five and a half years without someone taking bribes! Yes, you sound like honest people. You look like honest people. You act like honest people with the exception of Jana Wolf.
But she's gone now. Why isn't Alex Bujold gone? Anne Almey is gone who also was I don't want to describe it. You might find it offensive. What do you do here? You sit there and give honorary degrees for people that have worked here, for the community. If you were in regular civilian jobs not paid by the county, you'd all be fired. I worked my butt off for many years and no one would put up with this crap Absolutely no one.
So take it to heart, because you might get someone else up here who will give the same speech. Nothing done. Honorary degree, bye.
And that was our only request to speak.
All right, I'll call for a motion. Ask for a motion.
Move approval. Second. Staff recommendation?
Roll call.
Mr. Hart? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye. Mr. Adam? No. Mr. Williams? Aye Chair Lavanino?
Aye
Motion passes 4 to 1
Thank you very much for your work on this Okay, we'll go to item D2 Madam Clerk
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Chair Lavinino, members of the board. Departmental item number two is from the Agricultural Commissioner and as previously announced earlier in our meeting today we amended the recommendations for this item. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an industrial hemp presentation.
Push the red button, the launch button. Nope not that one.
Good morning Chair, members of the board my name is Kathy Fisher I'm the Santa Barbara County Agricultural Commissioner and I'm here today with Lottie Martin Deputy Agricultural Commissioner providing a presentation on industrial hemp. What is industrial hemp? Well, according to the Health and Safety Code, industrial hemp means a crop that is limited to types of the plant cannabis sativa having no more than three-tenths of one percent tetrahydrocannabinol also known as THC.
Hemp has grown specifically for the industrial uses of its derived products such as fiber oil and seed It is one of the fastest growing plants and can be refined into a variety of commercial items including paper, textiles, clothing, biodegradable plastics, paint, insulation, biofuel, food and animal feed. Hemp was first introduced to the United States in 1608 which quickly became a cash crop commonly used to make rope fabric and lamp oil and made up a significant portion of the economy. In fact several US presidents were known to have farmed hemp Such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
Fast forward to 1937, when the Marijuana Tax Act was signed into federal law. The act though it did not explicitly outlaw cannabis and hemp, it established tight restrictions and levied a tax on anyone who dealt commercially in hemp or marijuana. The passing of the Act effectively began the era of hemp prohibition. In 1970, the Controlled Substance Act was signed into federal law and establishes schedules that categorize drugs according to their perceived medical utility and potential for abuse. Cannabis and hemp along with heroin and LSD was assigned to the highly restrictive Schedule 1.
Marijuana and industrial hemp are precisely the same plant, cannabis sativa. But they differ in their concentration of the psychoactive compound THC. The legal definition requires the THC content to not exceed 0.3% on a dry weight basis. Cannabis sativa whose THC content exceeds that level is regarded as marijuana by the federal government. Psychoactive cannabis or marijuana is mainly used to produce a high Though many California consumers use cannabis for medicinal purposes as well.
Not only is hemp used for industrial applications, but also as a source of cannabidiol or CBD, a non-psychoactive compound. In the past, the appearance of hemp in marijuana plants looked very different because hemp was grown for different purposes. Today, because hemp is often bred to produce CBD which is concentrated in the flower Industrial hemp and psychoactive cannabis often have similar appearances.
Cannabis is defined in the Business and Professions Code section 26001, and explicitly states that cannabis does not include industrial hemp. At least 30 countries currently have an industrial hemp industry. China is the top producer of hemp and supplies 70% of the world market, followed by France. As of February 2019, 41 states in the U.S. allowed cultivation For commercial research or pilot programs, however only 24 states had farmers actually growing hemp last year.
Total hemp acreage in the US was over 78,000 acres which is up from 25,000 in 2017. The legal landscape for hemp on the federal level began to change in 2014 when that year's Farm Bill allowed universities to cultivate industrial hemp for research purposes. With last December's passage of the 2018 Farm Bill, industrial hemp became a legal crop pending establishment of a regulatory framework to govern it. The law did not change however the legal status for products containing cannabis or cannabis-derived compounds such as CBD under the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. To date the FDA has not approved a marketing application for cannabis or CBD products for the treatment of any disease or condition. The FDA has however approved one cannabis derived and three cannabis related drug products they are only available with a prescription from a licensed health care provider in June of last year The FDA approved Epidiolex, which contains a purified form of the drug substance CBD for the treatment of seizures.
There are no other FDA-approved drug products that contain CBD. The 2018 Farm Bill not only removed hemp from the Schedule 1 Federal Controlled Substance List, it also directed the United States Department of Agriculture, USDA to develop regulations for a new federal regulatory program for industrial hemp cultivation that will involve a system in which states and Indian tribes to submit production plans to USDA for approval to administer commercial hemp production.
It is USDA's goal to have regulations take effect by the fall of 2019 to accommodate the 2020 planting season. USDA will not be reviewing state plans until regulations go into effect. Until then, the 2018 Farm Bill specifies that states, tribes and institutions of higher education may continue operating under authorities of the 2014 Farm Bill until 12 months after USDA establishes the plan and regulations required under the 2018 Farm Bill.
In 2017, the California Industrial Hemp Farm Act took effect and provides for the cultivation of industrial hemp by registered growers and research institutions. California law does not currently provide any requirement for the manufacturing, processing or selling of non-food industrial hemp or hemp products. More information can be found at the California Department of Public Health website.
The California Department of Food and Agriculture CDFA Is in the process of developing a program to administer the new law for hemp cultivation. CDFA has adopted several sections pertaining to the registration process, fees sampling and testing for THC content through emergency rulemaking. The emergency regulations will be in effect for a minimum of 180 days. Until then, CDFA will proceed with the regular rulemaking process from permanent regulations. In 2020, CDFA plans to submit an industrial hemp plan to USDA for review and certification once the federal regulations take effect.
Some local authorities have taken different approaches for the type of cultivation that is allowed within their jurisdictions. Several counties have adopted moratoriums prohibiting all types of hemp cultivation or only allowing cultivation for research. A total of 20 counties are allowing commercial cultivation. As of today, there's approximately 21,000 acres of commercial hemp being grown within those counties. Of that amount, half of all commercial acreage is being grown in Kern County.
In Santa Barbara County only research cultivation by an institution of higher education as authorized by the 2014 Farm Bill is permitted. As of today the Agriculture Department is aware of 10 cultivators working with a local community college cultivating on 21 sites throughout northern Santa Barbara County. Senate Bill 1409 took effect January 1st, 2019 which requires researchers to submit global positioning system coordinates to the County Agricultural Commission for each parcel designated to cultivate hemp for research prior to cultivation. There are no other restrictions for research hemp cultivation.
Senate Bill 153 revises oversight of industrial hemp cultivation and testing to align California's program With the federal 2018 Farm Bill. The bill also removes exemptions for research hemp and will require similar registration and reporting requirements as commercial cultivation. The bill has passed through committee and is awaiting the governor's signature.
Our recommended actions today for your board is to receive and file this report on hemp, and find this action is exempt from CEQA. Once CDA has a certified hemp regulatory plan the Agriculture Department will have a cooperative agreement that define responsibilities and revenue to help cover costs for enforcing the program. Our department will be presenting to your board a new fee schedule for consideration by the end of the calendar year That will include language to allow departments to cover costs for enforcing the new industrial hemp program that are not covered by the state cooperative agreement.
That concludes our presentation, I'd be happy to answer any questions.
Supervisor
Hart? Yes, so you mentioned that you have currently ten cultivators and 21 sites and they're all in northern Santa Barbara County. Have you received a lot of inquiries from other growers that are interested in growing hemp?
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As of yesterday, we have 77 interested parties in growing commercial. And are they
all over the county or are they primarily in Northern County?
They appear to be interested in the northern and central part of the county and I think that's due to climate conditions.
Do you have a sense as to how much acreage is required for a farmer to make a profit? Are these large farms or what's the market like for him?
I don't have that statistic for you, but the one thing that is inhibiting the industry right now is the lack of a manufacturing infrastructure in California. Growers are having to find buyers out of state and most of them are having to go and look in Oregon and Colorado which have a manufacturing industry.
So the states where this has been in place earlier have that infrastructure and California's lagging in that regard?
That's correct. Okay,
and then obviously there's been a lot of tension between traditional ag and vintners and cannabis production. Do you anticipate similar tensions with hemp production?
We're not aware of any of tensions. In fact, there are a lot of traditional growers that are looking to transition their acres from food crops to growing when commercial hemp is available in the county.
So the pesticide drift regulations that apply to cannabis don't apply to hemp?
That's correct. The testing for the 66 active ingredients that you're referring to, that is required for cannabis is not required for industrial hemp.
And then let's see... The odor issue, is that a potential concern with hemp as compared to cannabis odors?
Industrial hemp does have an odor, but it's not as pungent. We've been at several sites recently for ourselves to see what it was like and it is a temporary thing that once the plants are harvested the odor fades away. But it's nowhere near as pungent as marijuana cannabis.
Thank you.
Supervisor Hartman?
Thank you. So it's used for seed and for fiber, but I see CBD advertised in every magazine. Is the oil being used for supplements and additives to products? Is that a market that the crop here would be used for?
Supervisor Hartman through the chair, yes, it seems to be the most popular varieties that we're hearing that growers are wanting to cultivate are those varieties grown for CBD extraction
And would we anticipate that there would be more requirements for that in terms of pesticides or if it's being used for human, for application or drinking or whatever? Would that be tested at a higher level than if it's used for fiber?
That would fall under the FDA, and currently their position they've circulated is that CBD-derived products from industrial hemp are not allowed for human consumables or livestocks at this time until they've had the opportunity to do the necessary research to establish certain standards for human consumable products. The only consumable products that are legal, they've indicated, are those from Canada.
So that's true for the research and that would be true going forward. None of this is to be sold at this point for human consumption one way or another, correct? Correct. I gather hemp has a shorter growing season.
Yes it's a very fast-growing crop. It can be anywhere from 90 days you would get a harvest
And you say it doesn't have the same nuisance for odor. How does the male hemp plant affect the marijuana cannabis?
The male plants would cause cross-pollination concerns. And that is something that our growers, being a new crop that they're trying to learn how to cultivate, they're finding that it is a problem and it all starts with the quality of the seed. That the seed that they're buying unfortunately is having a large percentage of male seed which is requiring them to go out through the fields almost on a daily basis to cull out the male, remove the male plants.
So do you see that as a manageable problem or is that something we're going to see more nuisance, more conflict going forward?
It certainly would be a potential conflict but it would be on the responsibility of the cultivator, the property operator to stay on top of their fields and good field practices and making sure they are removing the male plants as quickly as possible.
If I understand that the plant looks somewhat different depending on the purpose that you're growing it for, but does it create a potential difficulty for enforcement? And this may not be maybe something we need to ask the Sheriff's Department. But does some of the hemp look like the marijuana cannabis and could marijuana cannabis be hidden in the hemp?
All of the above are certain possibilities, and one of the requirements with those cooperative agreements that county ag departments will have is to follow up and investigate all complaints. We're anticipating those complaints are going to be alleged that it potentially could be marijuana. And it will come down to us going out and taking a sample and running a test to see if it did exceed 0.3 THC?
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I have one final question.
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think this is my final question. The number of acres that are currently under the research permit and then the number of acres approximately that they're in the pipeline for requests?
Unfortunately with research hemp, they're not required to disclose their numbers of acres. However some have disclosed that and so of the ten growers six of them disclose for a total of 266 acres at this time.
Yeah, so just I've had a few there's a few growers in my districts. I've gone out to the sites and compared to a cannabis field they seem to be much larger. A lot of them are just using it for You know, the fiber itself of the plant. So it's basically mass production. But I was not as intense. It was a different smell. But I have heard already from them that they have complaints from neighbors that there are smells so that is going to be an issue.
So just an interesting sidelight when you asked about the look at the plants. It is fooling some people because I've heard some hemp growers state that people have actually stopped And tried to steal some of their plants thinking that they're cannabis and it's going to be a big bummer when they find out it's hemp. So my questions are kind of like about the timeline, so we're going to have the fee at the end of the year.
And so when SB 153 gets signed, let's say it does get signed by the governor or whatever. What change does that make for us? Or what does that do? You had on there it said local authority. What does that mean for us?
It's my understanding that it would give local jurisdictions the authority to create additional restrictions beyond what the federal and state program will have. And then as far as a state plan being submitted to USDA, it's my understanding there is language in Senate Bill 133 that requires CDFA to submit a plan by May 2020.
Okay, so I guess that's the big question is if it's a farm bill and it's considered an ag product as opposed to cannabis. Are we able to put land use restrictions? What are we able to do or what are we not able to?
I think until Senate Bill 153 takes effect, we don't have the authority to do any additional restrictions. But with the language in that law as I have read it, we will be in a position if that's something your board would require from us is to create those additional restrictions.
Okay, Mr. Gazzani?
Supervisor, I would just add on that 153 addresses the state of California transmitting its plan to USDA. But the federal law says that in order for the State of California to have primary authority on this, USDA has to actually approve that state plan. So who knows what the lag time will be on that? That's one of the unknowns at this point.
Right,
okay.
And to add on to that, the Farm Bill requires USDA to respond back to that state within 60 days that they received their plan.
Okay, all right so in the meantime it seems like these growers have basically found a way to go get this research exemption. All they're required to do is give you the GPS coordinates correct? So we can look at enforcement and make sure we're testing. That's correct. Yeah, I'm sorry. So what's the protocol? How often do we go test their field or is it just random or if there's a complaint or how does that work?
Well, there is no required testing for research hemp but that is something that SB 153 is going to be addressing where those exemptions will no longer exist once it takes effect in January so- Really, okay. They'll have to provide more information to us Currently exempt from, but if we were to receive a complaint that it would result in a test which we would send to the lab up in Sacramento for regulatory testing and then respond based on the results.
So if 153 is passed, the research exemption goes away?
There are several of the exemptions go away. Okay. Which is a good thing
That is a good thing. But I would think at that point that there would be, the growers would be very interested in what the timeline looks like after that.
Actually we've asked several growers that have come forward if commercial was to be made available, would you switch from research? And a large number of them said they would but they're still though those that have agreements with the community college would continue on with some kind of research project. But
they couldn't do commercial at this point correct?
Once it becomes available
Right, okay. So that's what I'm talking about is so they're working off a research exemption right now. They're growing and 153 passes and the research exemption goes away but there's a lead time in there between that and when commercial might become available? Correct. Okay, all right. I just think we need to get that out there so people aren't counting on the fact that next year they're going to do the same grow that they did this year.
All right, unless something changes. All right, Supervisor, I guess that's it. Do we have public comment?
Chair Lavinino. I'm just got
a question. Supervisor Williams, I'm sorry.
So the sites in this county have all of them provided you the GPS coordinates in accordance with state law?
Supervisor Williams to the chair yes they have and we've had to check them for accuracy and in many cases They weren't but they're now accurate
And this is either a question for you or for county council. If this bill is signed into law, does this allow us to do odor control requirements, setback requirements, zoning requirements? Does this reassure you that we can use our local land use authority?
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Is that a request for Chief? Go ahead.
Chair and Supervisors, I think what we know right now is that the county would be likely preempted from prohibiting hemp cultivation but could use some land use authority as it would with other crops. So it would be a limited form of land use control, a very limited form of land use control.
So typically with crops, we can't do many of those restrictions and yet some other counties are already implementing those types of restrictions. I'm trying to figure out Do you just simply think that they're On shaky ground or that nobody's going to challenge them. I mean, you already have neighboring counties implementing setback requirements and so forth
Chair and Supervisors, I think the primary thing we see counties around the state doing is what our county already did which was to have an urgency ordinance that was essentially a short-term ban on industrial hemp. That was in place in our county in 2017 for both cannabis and industrial hemp but some of our neighbors and other counties throughout the state had not used their essentially one and done urgency ordinance so that's most of what you see out there
Got it.
Supervisor
Hart. So the state government, if SB 153 passes will submit a plan to the federal government. The federal government will then pass judgment on that plan and say that is acceptable or not? And are these local land use restrictions these very light versions of those there in the bill? Is that likely to pass federal muster? What is what does the federal government doing with other state plans and how are they processing those? Are they just accepting them and saying that's okay Passing judgment on them and defining them in some way.
It's my understanding USDA is not accepting any state plans at this time until the regulations take effect. Other draft regulations are done, it's just right now they haven't been released for public comment and we expect that any day. So states even though they may have a plan ready to go there unable to submit that for USDA's review
So we really don't even know what the federal standard is going to be to judge the state effort to regulate
hemp. I do know that the federal regulations simply create a legal pathway for industrial hemp into commerce
Mr. Ghazan? Chair and Supervisors, I agree with the Commissioner. USDA has not yet issued its regulations and I think the issuance of those regulations are what triggers their ability to then review the plan. And although they have a clock on acknowledging receipt of a plan, they don't really have a similar clock for passing judgment on the plan. So I think that's unknown on the back end after the first of the year.
So all the help in the country is being done on a research basis today?
I think that there's a conceptual but attached to that, and that is that the two ways this can occur is either via the Institutes of Higher Learning or directly through USDA's own licenses once USDA has a plan which does not yet exist. So at some point, not today, but when USDA has its own plans somebody could be direct licensed by USDA.
Thank you.
Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Adam.
Just a couple more questions, I had understood that when the hemp is harvested under the research program that we had to be contacted and measure the THC is that not correct?
Supervisor Hartman through the chair no there isn't a THC testing for research hemp.
I see so it could look like cannabis and get harvested and we would never really know that And we don't have any equipment to measure THC, it has to be sent to a lab at the state?
I believe the sheriff does have a THC testing kit and he has used it on one complaint that he did receive then we received. But if it was a complaint driven type of an investigation, we would have to take a regulatory sample and have a regulatory lab in Sacramento do the testing.
And does hemp require hoops?
There is no requirement. A lot of it is actually being grown out in the open.
Supervisor Adam
I'm just wondering if Mr. Gazzone could give me an example of or any some examples of controls on any other crops that we would use to control hemp at some point
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Chair and supervisors, rather than do that off the cuff we could look at it and come back to you. So starting point on SB 153 is it states that there's not a limit on the police power of the jurisdiction so then we'd be into both state right to farm and county right to farm. So you can envision perhaps some zoning restrictions if the board wanted to go down that road. But in the past, the county has not tried to do crop by crop distinctions on anything.
Yeah, so I was wondering exactly what you were meaning By that we were going to do something to control hemp as we would for any other crop.
I think that there's nothing that would prevent the board from looking at uniform restrictions on crops as to setback.
That would be interesting litigation, I'm sure.
Do
we have a public
comment?
Chair Lavagnino and members of the board, we have two requests to speak on this item. And we are going to begin with Andy Caldwell to be followed by Claire Weinman. Andy?
Chair Lavenino, members of the board. I'm Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. Hopefully learning from what happened to these e-marijuana. We hope that the board would kind of take a lead follower get out of the way approach to this one. We know that there may be concerns about odors and setbacks as far as pesticides but our bottom line's always been we want truth in zoning.
If you, and this is a big huge issue that we've been complaining about for 30 years. You zone things agriculture that have no potential for ag, don't have the water, doesn't have the slope, doesn't have the right soils, the gradients all wrong whatever, you zone it ag. And then that forces development onto land that's suitable for ag but ends up being zoned for other uses.
And we've asked for 30 years that you'd relook at zoning everything outside the urban boundary lines as ag. Conversely, if something is zoned ag, farmers shouldn't have to get a permit to do anything including building a cooler or whatever they need To process that ag crop, and we wish you'd change the zoning for that too. In other words, truth in zoning. If it's ag then let it be ag.
And in this particular case there is a potential for jobs here not just farm worker jobs but industry process jobs where they can process the stuff into some other product along the lines of the act commissioner listed. I did a show on this 20 years ago. There's hundreds of products that can be produced from hemp. We need to look at those and get out in front of them, see how can we facilitate a vertical integration of a new industry.
One of the things we're hearing is there's a chance this is a crop that can be harvested mechanically. That's huge with the labor shortages where we have here. I would seriously ask you to convene a task force to work with the Ag Advisory Committee. You don't utilize them anywhere near enough, they meet on a monthly basis and I think if you had some staff members working with them in a task force we can get ahead of this.
And anyway, we're excited that this is coming because it doesn't have the moral dilemmas that cannabis has or presents. But having said that, I don't know enough about it. A lot of our members in some of the farming community doesn't know enough about it but the bottom line is some of the other crops here because of the labor and water and other issues with them is in a state of flux.
And so this is a big deal, and I don't want you to treat it cannabis. My last question is the fees? You don't charge fees for regular crops. So if there's testing that's required, I could see that but we don't want you to try to hamstring a certifiable viable ag product. Thank you.
And our last speaker is Claire Weinman.
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Good morning, my name is Claire Weinman and I'm the president of the Grower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties. We've been very involved in San Luis Obispo County's consideration of hemp policies which has taken a very different approach. And we continue to have very thoughtful and complex conversations with our members and board of directors on this topic.
We believe that innovation and adaptation is essential to support agriculture and allow for future generations to continue to be viable in the face of increasing challenges related to water, labor market fluctuations, and the cumulative effect of regulatory and economic pressures. For these reasons we're open to new crops that complement and secure a future for agriculture on the Central Coast.
We would also like to emphasize our strong vested interest in ensuring compatibility between current and future crop types and hemp. Our members have reported conflicts with neighbors growing hemp and or cannabis in a variety of crops and locations, in both Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties. We believe that addressing liability protection for our members exercising good agricultural practices and their right to farm is the key component for short- and long-term compatibility between hemp and other agricultural food crops.
Policies should address predictable land use conflicts, if any, without creating a precedent of undue restrictions choking future innovation and vitality. We're deeply concerned with potentially setting a precedent of regulating the cultivation of illegal crop and continue to advocate for policies that are thoughtful and informed by sound science. We respectfully would like to articulate our members' interest in compatibility and the need for essential research, state and federal policy development, and consensus building dialogue between stakeholders. Thank you.
Thank you. Claire I have a question because I don't follow San Luis County that well. What's their policy?
I'm going to do the best I can. Okay, so they adopted an urgency ordinance currently and again if anybody can fill in better but it's my general understanding that they had already approved some licenses and that they had some that were in kind of the pipeline and so they accepted those. It's my understanding I think through the end of the year or maybe and so they're in the process of looking at if a permanent ordinance would be appropriate or not.
All right, thank you. Supervisor
Hartman?
I guess it's more a comment than a question about what you think about a task force or how we could get ahead of this as the previous speaker suggested looking at two issues both potential incompatibility and second is the enforcement if we have cannabis and we have something else that looks like marijuana cannabis rather How we deal with those two issues. Any thoughts about how we get ahead of it?
We are continuing to try to be better informed on the issue. I think we want to, again, we hope we're consistent with being thoughtful in the policies that we advocate for and that we're being fair and consistent so we just really want to make sure. I think what's happening at the state level is really important and the federal level and that's really driving a lot of questions from my members and that is really important. So we are just trying to be very informed and In developing a policy position and understanding what those implications are going to be for our members, both in terms of opportunities and potentially challenges.
Would it be correct to say then it's hard to get ahead of it till we know what it is?
We don't want to shoot first and ask questions later. I think that's the, I think that's the summary is you know understanding because it could be that there's not you know that so we just don't want to misspeak or be misinformed in and recognize that those could have very fundamental impacts
Mr. Gazzani? Thank you, Claire. Chair and supervisors, again I think that the context that we're in right now is assuming the governor signs SB 153, that would be the state of California's best estimate of trying to hit the moving target of USDA's regulations in progress. And then we'll be informed when those regulations issue how close to the mark SB 153 came.
So, I think he has until October 13th is the deadline to either sign or it becomes law. So we're going to know here in the next week and Supervisor Adam?
I wish that we would not do anything until we actually know what is going on. Because in the governor's wish to be able to hit a moving target, it's not impossible, I suppose technically but it's pretty unlikely that he gets it right and then we're all gonna respond. This is gonna be a replay of the cannabis debacle and Going into these things without understanding fully what is happening and all the externalities that we'll have to fit within, it's impossible to do a good job. And had we waited for the balls to stop bouncing before we did something here at the county level with cannabis, it might all be different, I don't know.
I have a question about the fee.
What's that?
I'm glad to be leaving before this really becomes-
You're going to be here awhile. All right, so question about the fees and I know you're doing a fee study. So could you explain what the fee would, why is somebody paying a fee for ag products? So what's the difference?
One of the things that cooperative agreement that will have with CDFA will not cover and that's our sampling costs. There is an option for growers though to use a third party to do the sampling with our regulatory oversight.
So outside of research hemp, After they, so let's say we move to a commercial hemp program. So you're saying that they have to notify you if, I think they have to notify you if they're getting ready to harvest?
That's correct there
is- And then you come out and test.
30 day preharvest notice is required.
Okay. I think it is important that we keep open line communication open with the growers that are actually doing this right now. But, I really want to keep it in the Ag Commissioner's office because this is different. This is an ag product. The more we take it out of the Ag Commissioner's office and discuss it or try to put together some different entity that's going to deal with it, Probably cause more problems than if, I really don't want to treat hemp any differently than any other ag product. Because I think that's exactly what it is when you go out and look at it.
It looks, it shouldn't be blamed because it looks like its cousin right? It has, it's just a different animal. It is going to cause us some problems when you talked about the males. Males aren't just bad for cannabis plants, they're also bad for other female hemp plants so on these large grows These farmers are hiring multitudes of individuals to walk these fields almost daily, because the plant does grow so fast that they've got to go ahead and just pull out all the males. So interesting operations we've got going on here and Long time North County farmers that are just changing their crop for a less water intensive crop as well. So I kind of want to stay as hands off as we possibly can, so outside of the head commissioner's office.
Supervisor Hartman?
Well, I agree, I think it's an exciting new crop but I do think it raises enforcement issues and we want to be well aware of those.
Right. Supervisor Adam? Well, and the other thing to keep in mind is what we've seen a little bit from time to time with the oil industry. And we start doing things to the oil industry and then the oil industry dries up blows away and then we start coming out and inflicting those kind of things on agriculture. And agriculture's never been hemp, but now that we're going to do something potentially to hemp.
You really want to consider the long term ramifications and imagine what happens when the crop that you're trying to create limitations on is gone and then somebody wants to misuse that against other crops? Down the road because that's what's going to happen. And that's what I live, and I think all farmers live in eternal fear of is these things becoming rules against something and then getting inflicted at some other time on something else because it's happened.
Supervisor
Hart? Well, I think this is fraught and difficult. And I appreciate the grower shippers very nuanced points that we need compatibility with traditional agriculture. Want to be open to the prospects of this but have to be savvy and wise about how these things might conflict. I'm hearing this business model that talks about huge fields and mechanized harvesting that requires individual people to go through and selectively remove male plants. Those things seem fundamentally in conflict with each other, and I don't understand the economics of what the value of this crop is and how it works into expensive agriculture in Santa Barbara County versus Kentucky.
There is apparently large scale hemp production going on in other states, particularly in Kentucky given there is no commercial pipeline to use this product at the current rate current state of regulatory requirements. So it sounds to me like Very strange things are happening in an evolving marketplace very fast. And that there's great potential for abuse and other black market options, and we've had a lot of experience with that in regards to cannabis. It's been the most vexing part of the things I think that you've been talking about is that not everybody plays by their rules. And it makes it very difficult for us if we're just going to stand outside and say this is our right to farm crop and this is what people get to do.
So it is going to take some attention and better understanding the marketplace, better understanding how these things relate to an evolving marketplace and an evolving regulatory scheme. And what may not be an odor problem with 200 acres in the locations that they are today could very well become an odor problem in a different context in different neighborhoods. So this is gonna be interesting.
Supervisor Allen? Yeah, I just want to say one more thing and that is that really to your point. We haven't applied science to these crops yet, because they have been legal. And so you're going to see over the next five to ten years where the full weight of the scientific community and the profit making community are going to be brought to bear on these crops.
And they're going to change, the genetics is going to change entirely. There is going to be a way that these guys don't have to send people out into a field to remove the males. There's going to be any number of different changes as soon as somebody makes it legal because then now the research can begin which is why the research is unlimited. So I just think, and I would really advise us not to go too far on this even if it becomes a pain to some extent because things are going to change so much.
And it may evolve, I agree with you, I don't see how you compete with Kentucky. I don't see how you compete with Lodi or Bakersfield, any place with water. And I don't know how much water it uses but I have a really hard time thinking it uses a whole lot less than anything else does. You get to a place with cheaper water and cheaper land, and keep it mechanized.
And that's why we grow the crops that we grow here is because they're something that can't be done anywhere else. I'm not interested in growing this stuff personally. I know other large growers are, and that's fantastic cuz that makes less of what I grow. So maybe I'll make some more money on what I'm growing. I don't know, but everybody does such different business. You look around and if you get the opportunity to tour different, and you've been on my farm, you get the opportunity to tour around and talk to some of these different growers.
Everybody does something really different. It kind of looks the same when you're driving by on the road, but everybody's really doing something different in their overall strategy and so we've all been able to make money. You don't see the number of auctions which is if you start having a bunch of farm auctions your ag community is not doing well and Santa Maria has not been a place with lots and lots of auctions.
So it's going to evolve, and it takes time, and it takes legality. It takes somebody wanting to throw the effort into it. And I think all that's coming, we're just lacking the time element at this point, and that's going to get filled back in over time.
All right, well thank you very much Commissioner Fischer. Commissioner Fischer? Yes, Chair. Supervisor Williams.
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I just wanted to chime in. I mean, I'm fairly agnostic about whether this is, I don't know whether this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing yet but I do want to put some cautionary notes. If we treat this as we do all other ag, then it will be an easy way for growers that have either been rejected by our planning process from growing marijuana or I've been busted for not adhering to our rules, to simply circumvent our rules and pretty much create the same product.
The majority of North County cultivation right now in marijuana seems to be going into oils. The majority of hemp cultivation would be going into oils. It's obviously got some differences in testing, but I see if we don't set up our rules in a strategic manner it as a way to circumvent our rules and gives growers an enormous amount of leverage over our permitting structure so people can just If they don't get their way, just switch to him.
And I view that as a real threat to us having a well-regulated environment that is without nuisance. Now it doesn't mean that it can't still be a good thing. It may be and I'm open to that but I just want to put that out as a challenge for us to think our way through this.
Roll-call vote Moved by Adam receive in file? I don't think there was any other action on that
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Second.
Second Supervisor Hartman roll call.
Mr. Hart? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye. Mr. Adams? Aye, Mr. Williams? Aye Chair Lavanino? Aye Motion passes unanimous. All right
we're going to take a ten minute break before we go into item three
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Chair Lavinino and members of the board, departmental item number three is from the county executive office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the census 2020 complete count outreach update strategic and implementation planning. All right
Mr. Buzanich
Chair Lovenino, members of the board. Happy to spend a little time updating your board on the activities around planning and preparing for the 2020 census here in Santa Barbara County to make sure that we've got a complete count. Just to provide a brief overview for you and residents that may be watching. This is the census that's held every ten years. It's required by law.
It is scheduled to occur April 1st, 2020 is the date that is targeted as Census Day in the United States. But truthfully the counting and the ability to complete the census will begin slightly before April 1st of 2020 and will continue for approximately three to four months after that April 1st day. The challenges that we face this year is the advent of some new technology. That is, that in the past we could all remember filling out the form on paper and sending it into the Census Bureau.
But now people are going to be asked to complete that online which presents some challenges for folks that may or may not have access to broadband internet. We'll talk a little bit more about other options for that. The other challenge, as has received a lot of media attention is the question or the potential for a question around people's citizenship status or immigration status that is largely been Tamped down by the Supreme Court decision to disallow that question on immigration status on the census for 2020.
Yet, and we'll talk about it briefly in a moment in little more detail, the fear and concerns associated with that question persist in many parts of our community. The real key about the census, as we've talked about before is it really does determine in many ways a lot of the federal funding that is formula based on population. Here in California we estimate that for every single person under counted in Santa Barbara County, that would reduce federal funding by $2,000 per person per year for the next ten years that those census numbers are in place. Utilized for that funding formula.
It's also not unimportant, meaning it is important that it also helps determine the number of representatives especially in Congress. California became very close after the 2010 census of losing a congressional seat to another state because of the undercount that happened in 2010 here in California. And then, obviously as well that the census numbers are included for both state as well as local redistricting in 2021.
One of the key concerns for us is the hard to count population and so here's some characterization of those folks who are hard to count. Some of the racial and ethnic groups and young children have historically been under counted in the census and We want to make sure our efforts and our outreach efforts are focused in on how do we make sure those individuals are included in our count. Non-citizens are less likely to respond in 2020 due to that planned addition of the question, but now some concerns continue to persist around privacy and security of the data associated with their census information.
Another area of hard to count are those areas with high numbers of renters and or other overcrowded and hard-to-find housing areas, making it difficult to locate residents. And then in addition to that the inadequate Internet access for some folks could create a challenge for this particular census as I mentioned before because of the online collection. This map was created by the California State Department of Finance and identifies in Santa Barbara County some of the areas that are most hard to count. Those that are in the red colored area, so downtown central core of Santa Maria here.
The area, the downtown core of Lompoc as well as kind of the northwestern suburbs of Lompoc. There's a large census tract there and then on the south coast Isla Vista and the lower west side of the city of Santa Barbara are particularly at risk of being undercounted again based on those population characteristics I mentioned just on the last slide that's how these were identified by the state.
So some of the challenges that the effort to make sure that we have a complete count are facing these challenges. One is the trust, that the information stay confidentials. Being able to count folks when multiple households are living together in one house is often the case in an expensive area like Santa Barbara County. People sharing residence making sure that everybody's counted even if they are concerned that their landlord doesn't know about the additional family members or the additional people there.
That we want to make sure that their landlord isn't, they know that their landlord is not going to get access to this data. But it is important that we count those individuals. There are mixed households with people holding different immigration statuses and again just because the question is no longer could be on the census survey there is still that concern there.
There are families that moved often because of jobs and their particular lifestyle, they move often. So we've faced with those challenges here. The digital census mentioned that and then kind of the lack of education or understanding about how funding and services are going to be directly associated with census. That may create some challenges for individuals.
So most of you are aware we have put together a committee, a complete count committee in Santa Barbara County. At last count we have 92 individuals serving on that steering committee for the county. They're broken up into a series of subcommittees focusing in on marketing, targeting our messaging for complete count to various population groups including Spanish speaking, as well as other folks, Mixteco community, families with young children. And so those committee and the older folks as well really focusing in on key messaging. But the steering committee came up with these five, or had these five tasks. One is to develop and receive approval for their complete count strategic plan. So we were successful in getting the state approval for our complete count strategic plan.
We provide quarterly updates to this date on our activities as an accountability measure for the $350,000 that the state has granted us for this complete count effort. We are currently working on finalizing our implementation plan, which has to be submitted to the state of California by October 31st. And that will detail out the very specific activities that we're going to do starting later this fall and then all the way through the census enumeration period next summer.
So we are working on that. Later on in February, we'll be required to submit a follow-up plan and this is the plan of when somebody doesn't get counted in that first wave of census data. What are we going to do to go out and help that person achieve Being a participant in the census, so what that follow-up plan will look like and the committee will be working on that. And then we'll have to do a final report next summer documenting all the activities that we did We did, as I mentioned get approval by the state of California for our strategic plan. The four goals are articulated on this slide but primarily what it's looking at is that we're engaging all the community resources including cities and community based organizations in developing and executing outreach efforts making sure that we have broad regional participation.
Second goal is to make sure that community member are aware of the importance of the census and to build trust around their participation in the 2020 census. And doing that in a comprehensive, multilingual, multimodal communication campaign. Goal number three which is to actively outreach those hard-to-count populations through education engagement. And strategic goal number four, which is to support every community member's participation by eliminating barriers to access to that.
So the implementation plan which we're working on now will describe specific activities, locations of those activities. Time, date, census track targets, the frequency of the activities and intended hard to count categories that we're reaching out to with each of those activities. So it'll be rather specific very detail oriented implementation plan. We'll also identify the locations and operational hours for what are called questionnaire assistance centers and or kiosks. QACS is the acronym here.
And that we're making sure that those questionnaire assistance centers are in place and operational during the enumeration effort from March through June of 2020, and that we're looking for additional local and regional funding sources including from the philanthropic community to make sure that these efforts can be fully implemented. So these are just a list of some general outreach strategies, but you can imagine utilizing existing networks. Things like social services, schools, libraries, colleges and universities, faith-based groups in churches and synagogues Civic groups, first responders working through local businesses.
Making sure that we're utilizing 2-1-1 as well as the promotores network to reach out to the Spanish speaking community and the Mistecho community. And then really doing good both social media as well as conventional media outreach as well. A timeline is available here. I think it provided this before, but it does have all of the key milestones that we have to meet as required by our state funding plan.
And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Supervisor
Hartman? Hartman, not Supervisor Hartman, okay. Yep, Hartman. A disquieting experience in my neighborhood where someone alleging to be with the federal government, Census Bureau flashing a badge going to people painting my fence and saying you know where do you live? Who are you? So that raises the question of deceptive practices and people out there trying to suppress people or intimidate people. So I think one aspect of what you're doing will be very important to let people know ahead of time who is going to be coming, and what kind of identification? And I mean, I can't imagine that the federal government...I'm not in a hard-to-count neighborhood, and what they were doing there is a real puzzle to me.
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Maybe a comment on your comment. So we did actually check out what was occurring in your neighborhood and come to find out it was legitimately the federal government who is doing that, the piece of paper they were handing out was legitimate. And so what I said to our representative from the US Census Bureau is, it would be nice to know what areas you're going to be doing this kind of canvassing in. So that we're aware of it as well and can make sure things.
I think the broader point you make though is a really key one, is that it's a difficult time these days. And so the concern is one that you've raised in this about not knowing and just asking questions like who are you and where do you live? Are questions that raise concern for some individuals. And so trying to overcome that is going to be one of the main areas of attention for the steering committee in this county, to make sure that we can become trusted in terms of the integrity of the process as well as the privacy associated with the process.
So did they explain what they're doing?
So what our local representative said to us is that they were actually just trying to get the word out about the census. And that they were also using that to check the addresses that the Census Bureau does have, that we've provided them through an earlier process. LUCA process as it's called in the census world, where we give them all the street addresses for the valid residents in Santa Barbara County. So they were validating that list and basically then also using the opportunity to connect with people to do their own public engagement process.
So when you said it would be nice if they would let us know, how did they respond to that? I also had in my neighborhood somebody claiming to be an assessor for the county driving a Cadillac. Which so I'm a little nervous at this point.
Chair and Supervisor Hartman. They're from the government, they're there to help you. Those words. Supervisor Hartman through the chair, they did say that they would provide that information to us going forward. The challenge we would have then is what do we? What do we functionally do with that other than being able to immediately feel those responses instead of collecting that. But, you know, we don't necessarily have a highly targeted kind of thing to say they're going to be in a certain neighborhood outside of somewhere in the San Ynez Valley for example for this kind of canvassing activities.
And again I think it's more indicative of the trust that needs to be built as much as anything else and so
If I may, I see Mike Hodgson from our local paper and I know people really still read local papers. If there were an opportunity to just give a press release so that they could publish those.
Supervisor Hart?
You know, doing the census in a normal environment is really hard and historically it has been. We have had undercount problems when we didn't have the political environment that we do now where people are objectively demonstrably afraid to access government services. We had the situation with this lunch programs in the summertime With huge under participation of that, because people are afraid. I've been doing a lot of door to door work and see that personally where people are not answering the door or in previous times they used to. So the trust issue that you're talking about is absolutely critical to this exercise and effort. And the consequences financially, the county are so massive that it doing what we've done in the past and even a heightened level strategically all the great work that you and the committee are doing.
I am very concerned that this is not going to hit the mark because of these exogenous And that the administration and their approach with the citizenship question, I don't think was an accidental process. I think it's intentional and political and adversarial toward California and other communities that have High immigrant populations. So I think we need to do something big and important to address that, and to me just simply having bilingual staff, a bilingual voice for the county to help with this communication, help with this trust building seems to be step number one. There's a million things below that that we need to be doing as well. But I know you have that in the team and in the group that you have assembled, the 92 people that resource is available.
But it just seems to me so fundamental to be able to have direct Spanish speaking people who can talk to the community that is so scared by this whole process and try and reassure them ongoing rigorous communications in every way That it would be, to me it's an investment that screams we need to do this now.
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And I've been to a few of the meetings and I think Dennis' our approach, the county's approach has been that did not go into this thing with blinders on and realize that this was a different environment. And so I think from the very beginning At the very first meetings, the goal was to try to engage people with people that they trusted. And that's the most important thing. It wasn't bringing them to a government building to talk to them about it. It was going to their church and having their church members speak to them about it. It was about going to the community based organizations in the place where they actively engage in receiving resources now and letting those folks know. Hey, these resources are dependent on you filling out the census.
So I agree with you, I just don't know and I'm sure Dennis is in the same boat. It's like if there is an idea out there of how to even access even more I think everybody's all ears, but at this point it's trusting the locals. The neighborhood almost neighborhood by neighborhood knowing who in that neighborhood is the influencer right? It's not the county supervisor, it's not their state assemblyman. It's that person that kind of everybody looks to as a leader in that community that can step up and get that information out so I really think there's a grassroots It kind of, and I'm kind of in the same boat as I look and I don't see any ads out there right now. I guess it's probably too early. One of my first questions was going to be when does that kind of start?
Because I think we understand this is going on but It might know it's happening sometime in the future, but I think until people start seeing ads, hearing ads on the radio, seeing ads on television, more discussion about it. They're going to get surprised by that person that comes up and talks to them about the census and doesn't know what's going on. So had a couple questions one of them was about the timeline about ads I guess so that's a good place to start.
So Chair Lavanino, one of the first things we're doing is on October 15th will be launching the county's website individually branded. And you might notice our little slogan here about We All Count, Todos Contamos. And so the idea is really producing everything bilingually, so the entire website is going to be produced in both English and Spanish. So as part of that outreach effort, as part of the building trust. We're going to then use social media to drive people to the page and things. So one of the challenges here, we're trying to fine tune the timing issue just a little bit more.
And we're also trying to coordinate with what the state's doing as well as what the federal government is doing. So there's all these different roles that we're all playing in this at this point in time. So I was on a conference call yesterday with the State of California, they're getting ready to kick off some advertising statewide starting in November and they're going to be buying a lot of time. What's going to be awkward this year, frankly is that the real key prep time from January until April.
Well let's just say March is that it's primary election season and so there are other things that are being advertised during that time especially on TV and radio. Let's say candidacies for example. And so I think we're going to have a challenge buying time frankly during kind of that key prep period But we will have, after the primary election here in California is over. We will have about a three week period prior to that to really utilize both radio and television advertising. I think that makes it real for people when they begin to see those. So you're going to begin to see the state media campaign beginning in November and we'll follow along with that.
The other question I had was about, I know that the primary preferred method is for people to fill out this online. And that's where we're trying to direct everybody to do online. But is there a fallback? Let's say somebody, we know there's an address, we know people have lived there before, they haven't filled out something online, what happens? Good
question. So there's actually another method that people can utilize during that initial enumeration period from March to June, which is they can call an eight. There's going to be a toll free number where they can call and actually get bilingual or other languages, other threshold languages. I think they're planning on something like 70 or 80 different languages available to complete your census form over the telephone, which will be a huge thing.
The other unique feature this year is that on a real-time basis, the Census Bureau's going to be updating the rate in which people are filling out the census surveys down to the census block information. That can be available to us real time so that as part of that follow up plan is then we can target those. With using, again the community based organizations as their trusted partners to go and do outreach in those census blocks and tracks where we're seeing a less than full participation. And that actually will be able to go down to the resident by resident.
That does not substitute for the fact that toward the end of this process, the Census Bureau will still send out physical enumerators to go out there and knock on doors. And one of the things that we're trying to suggest to people is if they go and participate in their neighborhood on a real time basis nobody needs to come knock on their door. I think that's
a big selling
point. Yeah, and so we're really encouraging that as kind of a point of do it yourself. Do it on a timely basis and nobody has to come visit you. And so not trying to make people afraid but again, I think people aren't home. People aren't available. Their kids are there in the afternoon maybe without adult supervision. So we want to minimize those kinds of interactions, I think, as much as possible. So computer, telephone, and then lastly, in person.
Right, and I think Lisa at the meetings I was at when you made that suggestion. That was something that the community based organizations that deal a lot with the immigrant community thought was a huge selling point for them. That they could tell people that if you just got it done online nobody would have to come. You wouldn't have to meet with anybody. 211 we're tied in as well.
Chair yes okay very good Supervisor Hart? I'm sorry, did you have? I thought you did. Okay. All right, very good. Are there any other questions? Do we have any public comment?
Chair Lavagnino and members of the board.
I heard a voice from Santa Barbara. Supervisor Williams.
I just wanted to chime in, to support Supervisor Hart's comments but also say that what I have been very bolstered by is the commitment The counts committee partnering with organizations that will be trusted by the community, including by the difficult to count communities that we have in the county. I just want to urge continued partnership with those folks and just a word out to people on the street that may be worried about this.
The census is a good process, a needed process and it will be aided by organizations that have community trust so we all need to take part. Supervisor Hartman?
I just wanted to thank Mr. Pisanich, who's everywhere talking to everyone about this and representing the county. And it's an innovative, and we've never had to deal with things so you're having to create new relationships, new ways of doing business. It seems we always turn to you when we have those kinds of projects, so thank you.
Well, and I was going to say it's almost like the duck. You see it on the thing and there's a lot going on with the census underwater that a lot of us probably aren't privy to all the time but Supervisor Hart?
Yeah, I agree with all the plaudits for Mr. Buzanich and the team and what they're doing. And I still do think that we do need a bilingual voice as a resource for the county to help with emergency communications, to help with this project. This is the tip of the spear of how important this is. The financial ramifications of this are enormous and will last for a decade. And so investing early, having that additional staff support I think is this is the moment in time to do it.
It'll pay dividends in a lot of different areas and I would make a motion to have the CEO bring us back some ideas about how that might be achieved. I'll
second that. Okay, I didn't
understand. What I'm specifically saying is that I think the county needs a bilingual communications resource as staff and that the census project would be one of the prime uses of this person. They'd also be available for emergency communications so I don't have a solution to how that would be done. I suggest the CEO take a look at that issue and propose something that might fit these needs but I do think it's really important for You know, a designated bilingual voice representing the county in this instance and for emergency events as well.
Supervisor
Hartman? So it would be in the public information office or I'm not quite sure. I mean we do have people who perform these services for us at meetings and things maybe we could get a briefing and what we do have what's available and then in different languages and then take it from there
CEO Miyasato.
Supervisors, why don't I do that? I can tell you what we have available and what different departments or avenues and how we provide that service where there may be gaps in addressing the census but I can come back and provide it. You're going to have a discussion about other spending priorities in November and I could bring it back as part of that item.
Yeah, I was just going to ask about doing a contract with somebody who does exactly that.
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We have contracts for translation and at meetings, and we have one bilingual emergency manager that we did hire. And we can just talk about whether that's available resource for the census as well.
All right? So, staff direction's been given and we have a few receiving file in the CEQA with a few staff recommendations. So can I get a motion to move staff recommendation with the staff direction?
Can I ask a question? Yes sir. Did we add a motion and a
second on the floor did that get withdrawn? No, I think he's just offering staff recommend- I mean staff direction at this point.
Yeah, that's fine.
Is that fine? Chiefs is the same thing. Okay. Thanks. So is there a motion?
Move staff's recommendation.
Second. Second, roll call please.
Mr. Hart? Aye. Ms. Hartman? Aye. Mr. Adams? Aye Mr. Williams? Aye Chair Lavanino? Aye Motion passes unanimous
Okay so that takes us to closed session Mr. Gazzani
Chair and supervisors, today in closed session the board has agendized to consider two matters. The first is a matter of anticipated litigation deciding whether to initiate civil litigation, one case. And the second concerns existing litigation where the Board of Supervisors would be sitting both as the Board of Supervisors for the county and the Board of Directors for the County Flood Control and Water Conservation District. And this involves the coordinated Southern California fire cases, which has a coordination number of 4965 in Los Angeles Superior Court. My estimate is about 30 to 45 minutes for closed session.
Okay? Our plans come back right around noonish sometime around there. Let's say 1215. Good morning. you
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We're good? OK.
All right, we're going to reconvene this meeting of the County Board of Supervisors. Mr. Gazzani can we get a report out of closed session please?
Chair and supervisors, today in closed session the board considered two matters. The first was decision whether to initiate civil litigation one case. The action of the board through a unanimous vote was to direct county council to file a writ petition to challenge those portions of the behavioral wellness medical audit for fiscal year 0708 that came out unfavorable to the County of Santa Barbara. The background on this is that we had previously prevailed on most issues with the Administrative Law Judge in June of 2019. And there are some remaining issues following that, and that is the subject of this writ petition. The other item at the board considered was existing litigation concerning the Southern California Fire Cases Judicial Council proceeding 4965.
There's no reportable action on that matter.
Okay, thank you very much. Adjourn this meeting and we will meet again October 15th in Santa Barbara. Thank you.