BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 November 9, 2021

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction4:16

All right. Can you hear me

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:20

all right? Okay, good morning. I will call to order the November 9th 2021 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Madam Clerk please call the roll.

Roll call, called by Doctor Amy Smith
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Supervisor Lavenino. Here. Supervisor Williams. Here. Supervisor Hart. Here Supervisor Hartman. Here and Chair Nelson. Here
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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:41

at this time please stand and join us in pledging allegiance to the flag

The next item of business is the approval of the minutes from the November 2, 2021 meeting. Can I get a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:10

motion?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:14

All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Madam Clerk are there any announcements or changes to our agenda today?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:24

Chair Nelson and members of the board. Yes, I just have a couple quick announcements this morning. Chair Nelson and members of the board, I just have a couple quick announcements this morning as the board is aware an item may be added to the agenda after the agenda has been posted and within 72 hours of the hearing due to an emergency situation As defined by government code section 54956.5 and upon a determination by four-fifths vote of the board, please note the clerk of the board has posted distributed and made available to the public a written statement and associated materials stating the facts upon which it can be determined that they need to take action arose after From Public Works Board of Directors and the Water Agency, it is to consider recommendations regarding a resolution to accept small community drought relief program grant funds.

And this is in the 4th District. Prior to the board taking any action on this item, a motion stating that the need to take action arose after the agenda was posted is required. And additionally, Chair Nelson and members of the board just have a couple other quick announcements. I would like to remind the public that the Board of Supervisors meetings are being interpreted and broadcast live in Spanish. We are broadcasting our meetings in Spanish both for Cox Cable subscribers in South County as well as Comcast cable subscribers in North County. Members of the public can now view our meetings in Spanish by turning on the secondary audio programming also known as SAP or SAP under their language settings.

Lastly, I would like to remind the public who are participating in our meeting today of the board's updated methods of public participation. For the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda please see page two of the agenda. Members of the public can attend meetings in person in both the Santa Barbara Hearing Room Chambers as well as the Santa Maria Board Hearing Room Chambers.

Please note on October 5th 2021 an additional county health officer order went into effect requiring indoor mask usage for everyone over two years of age regardless of vaccination status. If you attend the board meeting in person, you will be required to wear a face covering or mask at all times regardless of vaccination status information regarding how to properly wear a mask has been posted throughout both locations As a friendly reminder, masks should cover your nose and mouth. Wear the mask from the bridge of your nose to all the way under your chin. Tighten any loops or ties so the mask is snug. If you do not have a mask that fits properly we can provide you with one.

Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment virtually may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2. After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing important information about joining the virtual meeting Once the chair has announced the item you want to comment on, please join the meeting with the information provided and the registration email. You'll be placed on mute until it is your turn to speak. The clerk will call you by name and when removed from mute you will hear a notification that your line has been unmuted.

If you're using a touchtone phone, you may need to press star six to unmute yourself. Each person may address the board for up to three minutes and this is at the discretion of the chair. If you have any questions please contact the Clerk of the Board's Office at area code 805-568-2240 And that concludes my announcements.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:45

All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. We'll go ahead and take the next agenda item at the conclusion of the administrative agenda. CEO,

the next item of business is this County Executive Officer's Report. CEO Miyasato do you have anything to report?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed8:56

No reports this morning, Chair.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role8:58

All right. The next item is Approval of the Administrative Agenda. Do any board members have items they wish to pull? Do we, Madam Clerk are we having that from the public?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction9:09

Chair Nelson and members of the board, we have a request to speak on administrative item number seven

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role9:14

this morning. And I'd also like to pull administrative item number six. Anything else? All right. Can we get a motion to the approval of the balance of the administrative item or excuse me, the administrative agenda?

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GuestWilliamsProposed · by introduction9:31

All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role9:33

right just for clarification that's all administrative items except A5 and A6 Sorry, A6 and A7?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction9:42

Correct Chair Nelson. That is all administrative items except for A6, A7 and the ex-agenda item request.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role9:49

All right thank you. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Okay let's go ahead and take these in order. Will you read item A6 into the record?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction10:03

Turn Nelson and members of the board administrative item number six is from the county executive office. It is to consider recommendations regarding a new county wide policy entitled naming County assets

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role10:15

All right so I pull this item. I'm definitely supporting it, I think it's a great policy and I wanted to give kudos to staff for developing it. I think it is thoughtful in the way that goes about naming our county buildings especially with the unanimous support of the board under certain circumstances. I'd like to move it and see it moved forward today. One one item that Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board.

Typically, we want to wait for up to a year after somebody's passed away to name something to make sure that time has gone by. It's still appropriate. I think the same should be true as we maybe visit rethinking some of our naming in the future. So just wanted to maybe provide that thought and direction to staff to consider that in the future but I like to see us move this item forward.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed11:25

Chair Nelson, we'd appreciate it if you'd like us to look at an unnaming policy. We could amend this and come back to the board. We'd appreciate it if you could put that in the motion for this approval. And just for the board's awareness, we did submit a memo last night. There was a phrase that dropped off in our board letter and in the policy on number six where it talked about deceased individuals and allows the board to make exceptions with unanimous approval by the Board of Supervisors.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role11:53

Supervisor Williams?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed11:55

Well, I think that often it is a good time to or a good thing to pause before you take actions. However since there is no statutory way for us to limit the discretion of a future board, I think simply saying that it's a good General rule is just as effective as establishing a policy in this regard. So I guess I'd rather not have a policy because I'm not going to say to a constituent, well, I can't do it because we have this policy when I really can and we cannot bind the hands of a future board even if that future board happens to be us

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role12:45

I appreciate that, but also this whole naming policy is something that is subject to any three of us at any given time. So the policy itself already kind of breaks the tie in the hands of future boards. You know, I think what the issue is when these things come up it's good for us to direct our Our constituents and staff towards something. Obviously, we've got a lot of liberty here as board members.

We do live in a time where things are heightened and you see certain monuments and naming change as new information comes up so I think it's important for us to maybe put something in place or at least ask staff to do that moving forward. So that's where I'm coming from on it. Thank you very much.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8313:53

The unnaming policy, I appreciate that you've raised it. It seems to me that it raises many many issues and I'm not, I don't know, it hasn't really come up for us yet. I'm just wondering if we're borrowing trouble, if we really need that at this time. It's, I'm willing to consider it. I just wonder how much time it would take staff and how many speculative things they would have to run through scenarios in their mind and whether it's really worth it. Again, I think it's a good thing to raise it but do we really need it now? I'm not sure.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role14:37

Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed14:38

Yeah I think that Supervisor Hartman points out something that I will be more explicit is it, I think this is just going to be interpreted as us taking a stand in the culture wars. That is not necessary at this time and I understand Why you want to do it, I actually agree that sometimes even with good intentions people go too far. I would say for instance the renaming at San Francisco schools is a primary example of going too far where you might actually lose the history of why Oppression and why matters, right? Just by getting rid of the murals or getting rid of other things.

But I guess I'm not interested in taking a foray into the culture wars without something at stake.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role15:46

Yeah, my purpose was actually to avoid the culture wars. And so that was exactly my purpose but I'm fine moving on from it. I do support this naming policy if it opens up another can that we don't want to. If I'm fine with that, I am willing to accept the wisdom of my colleagues in that and just approve this item. So can I get a motion or to reserve sorry having

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8016:08

you. I'll make that motion and I appreciate what you, what you were trying to do because to avoid controversy the time to talk about it is when there really wasn't isn't one in front of us, but this thing so heightened that I don't think you can talk about it without I will go ahead and move the item as it is.

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction16:48

Chair Nelson and members of the board, administrative item number seven is from the County Executive Office. It is to consider recommendations regarding an amendment to chapter 50 of the county code licensing of commercial cannabis operations. And this is a second reading. Chair Nelson, members of the board we have two requests to speak on this item here in Santa Maria.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction17:08

All right.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction17:10

And we will begin with David Cross to be followed by Joe Goldberg. David?

CommentDave FrostProposedself-stated17:18

Good morning. I'm Dave Frost, and I'm assisting Lillie's Green Garden with their land use process. Lillie's Green Garden is a cannabis operation located between San Marino and Guadalupe in Ag-2 zoning far from residential zones and far from public highways. It's a discretionary project that requires planning commission approval. The project was submitted in 2018 for the first two years they were continually advised by They were continuing to advise that the Planning Commission hearing was right around the corner. And meanwhile, other projects probably because they were easier to process and non-discretionary were given priority and approved.

This year with changes and more requirements, the operation is working to comply to continue through the process but what has happened is a project was essentially denied because it was not processed to the Planning Commission before the cap was put in place The applicant never had their date, even though the application was submitted before caps and other regulations were in place. And before many other cannabis applications were submitted.

So that's not fair to the applicant who had a reasonable expectation of a PC decision. Every time that they've had a state inspection and audits, they have passed with flying colors. Keep in mind also The county has set aside funds to assist small businesses to stay open during COVID and to keep their people employed. There's an already going operation with 150 employees who rely on their income with their families.

Now if something doesn't change, they're in the queue to be shut down. We don't want that to happen. Lilly's plans are continuing through the process they started nearly three years ago. So what we're asking today is that you consider December 2022 as a sunset date rather than the proposed June date. Willis has licenses that will be valid through December, and the extra time allows them to continue the process and find a way to stay in business. This will also keep their workforce employed.

I don't know about the other projects that do not yet have the entitlement or whether they've given up going through the land use process But this operation has not and never has given up on going through that process. So your consideration for that would be appreciated, thank you.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction19:52

Mr. Cross.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction19:58

We'll now go to our second speaker Joe Goldberg who is our final speaker on this item, Joe?

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction20:05

Good morning. Morning.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed20:11

Have you ever thought about why there's virtually no flower growers left in Santa Barbara County? That they've all transitioned to cannabis, myself being one of them. And the pure word in a single word is economics. The flower business no longer sustain these farms and if you ask The many growers who are generational grower. I'm a third generation flower grower who has transitioned and it's all because we love what we do, agriculture is in our blood and we saw the opportunity with the cannabis to transition to keep these farms going. And it's not only for me, it's for my children, my grandchildren, for the 150 families that depend on us, who we employ sometimes up to 200 And yet, this hasn't come without its challenges.

And the big challenge has been this permit process and we are good players. We abide by the rules. We've done everything we're supposed to do, everything we've asked to do and yet we're on the outside looking in all of a sudden and it's certainly not fair to us. And speaking of economics, I will let you know that our company alone over the past 18 months has paid more than a million dollars in taxes to this county. And we have jumped through all the hoops and we want to continue our business. We want to continue employing our people.

I mean, I'm not ready to quit my children aren't ready to quit. Our employees aren't ready to quit. We transitioned out of the flower business because we were essentially forced to I mean, I never dreamed growing up and planting roses and carnations and daisies that I would be a cannabis grower. Never dreamed of it. And I'm sure if you ask any other flower grower they're going to tell you the same thing.

But here we are. And it's our livelihood. This is how we support our families and our employees' families. And again, as Mr. Cross stated, I ask you to move this date forward to give us the opportunity to work with the planning department and get this permit process completed. Thank you.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction22:39

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed22:43

That was our final speaker on this item.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction22:45

All right.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role22:48

Okay. All right. So we need a motion on this item or any discussion on this item? Supervisor Levin you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8022:59

Thank you so and understand the plight of this particular case it's a, it's very difficult piece of property. It's been very complex and I don't think there was any Uh, fault of the growers just a long process they were going through. It's for a number of reasons there's many different reasons why this project took a long time but I do have. A meeting with planning development to kind of go over the timeline and those types of things and invited. The grower in, and they're going to be sitting down with Pete with P and D this week.

Um, you know, as far as the date goes, I'm just curious if well. You know, first off I want to thank the board for moving the date to June of 2022 that think that's very important. And this is you know this this is kind of this was a new request. Even if this I guess his question for Council if this if we go ahead and continue with It's just an action of the board. If we got closer to June and there is somebody that is in that process, that date can always be looked at at that time.

CommentBoard Hearing Room ChambersProposed · by introduction24:22

Supervisor Lavagnino yes, that's correct. We make an amendment today but your board has discretion to make further amendments in the future.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8024:29

Well I think honestly that's the position I'm in. I want to hear what planning development has to say. I mean, I don't wanna sit here. I guess I could go through the exercise of making a motion and then... I was the one that wanted to move the date and I appreciate the fact that it got moved. Unfortunately, I don't know who those other six are in this situation. So before I did something like that, I'd wanna talk to P&D to find out what's happening with the other five. So I wanna see what happens in that meeting And I think we can go from there like council's telling us, you know that date is discretionary on this board at any time. So my advice to the applicant would be to continue with the process.

You know I will continue to assist as I can setting up meetings with planning development. And we'll try to work as diligently as we can I think there's going to be some answers this week by dealing with this sitting down and trying to hammer out the timeline so that would be my I would

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role25:49

like to make a motion to approve the cap. I would like to make

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed25:54

a motion to approve the cap. 120 days for non conforming is that. Because we talked so much about the inland last time I just wanted to make sure that was clear. So there's a question that Council.

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CommentBoard Hearing Room ChambersProposed · by introduction26:31

Supervisor Williams, let me just take a minute to look at the language.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed26:34

And then I'll just make a comment about the cap. You know, I was interviewed by someone yesterday that is characterizing the cap as a mess. They were obviously coming from an industry perspective and I wanted to address this has been I think very necessary in order to make sure the public knows that we are trying to balance things. Now, that's the advantage of the cap is public confidence. The disadvantage of the cap is that a cap inherently is a scythe that cuts down the righteous as much as the wicked.

It does not sort of differentiate Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role27:53

All right, my understanding is we have Ms. Heaton in the Santa Barbara hearing room to respond to the earlier question?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed27:59

Thank you Supervisor Williams to the chair. The June 30 date 2022 actually would apply to both areas, the inland area as well as Carpinteria and we've been told that planning believes that the Carpinteria cap will be reached sometime in the first quarter of 2022 and so the timing was such that it made we applied the June 30 date across the board

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed28:28

So if we reach a cap in April, then we would have a termination of non-conforming June 1st. That's kind of counterintuitive to me. We're giving inland six months and we're giving carpentry two and a half or three months?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed28:54

Supervisor Williams and I mean we're giving Carpinteria the same amount of time. If, I mean we're telling them now that legal non-conforming operators would have to cease June 30 2022. I mean I understand if they're not if they're in the cap versus not being in the cap yes that's the difference but I guess this is a communication to all legal non-confirming operators that June 30 is the deadline.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:19

It was my is my impression that it's much more clear in the inland who is in the cap and who is not.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed29:24

That's correct,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:25

then it is in the carpentry because we were weren't not as close to reaching that cap so at least for my part I think notice is when we actually let people know whether they're in or You might be and you might not be, but June 1st is the date. So I guess, I think that if we've been advised that 120 days was adequate notice then it could be June 30th or June 1st but no less than 120 days after the cap has been reached.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction30:18

All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role30:18

right. I think that's a policy call and without re-hearing this item, I think maybe the route to go is actually approve the item today. And then if there's a supervisor who wants to request in the future to come back to relook at these dates, I think that might be the appropriate time to have a more robust discussion with staff so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed30:40

Well, I guess I could vote for this if it was staff direction to return to us with a policy of at least 120 days. That's literally everything that we've been read and advised

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role30:54

I think, you know what Supervisor Labanino had brought up with this grower that came in today. There are some more items we need to talk about as a board. Right now we're giving people at this point eight months to start to prepare and think about it but there's movement on the board to relook at this before that point. Supervisor Hart?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed31:17

Yeah, I think this deserves a full context conversation and discussion and this is not

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8031:26

So I'll make a motion that we approve the item today with, with the future input from staff on looking at the date on inland and reviewing. I want to approve it today but you know with just the discretion that I guess it is the discretion that we can move it later but we need to let folks know at this point And I think the 120 days from what I've understood from council is that's pretty much a legal requirement for us, isn't it? Or.

CommentBoard Hearing Room ChambersProposed · by introduction32:02

Mr Chair and members of the board we do recommend an amortization period this June 30th date is actually longer than that so giving plenty of notice

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8032:10

but I understand where you're at Dawson and I get that so I just think if we approve today and we it is discretionary I think we're going to need staff input as we move forward with this to better massage it and figure out exactly where we're at.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role32:30

All right, so there's a motion from Supervisor Lavagnino. Is there a second?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed32:33

Second.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role32:33

All right is there any further discussion? Supervisor Williams? All right all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously Before we finish the administrative agenda, I believe we actually have a public speaker that wanted to speak on all administrative items. Mr. Waco are you there?

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction33:01

Yes, Sharon Nelson members of the board we did receive a request from public member Briggs Waco on all agenda items and if he could clarify for the record what exactly they would like to speak on. And Briggs Waco I have unmuted you on our end if you can unmute and please proceed.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction33:30

All right,

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role33:31

it appears that we've been unable to get a hold of him. I know staff had been working prior to us calling him and if he has something else to speak on maybe he can speak in general public comment moving forward so we'll call on him again at that time. At this time we go ahead and read uh you have the resolution to present. I don't think you read item A-16 into the record?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction33:57

Chair Nelson and members of the Board, Administrative Item Number 16 is sponsored by Supervisor Lavagnino. It is to adopt a resolution in memory of Mrs. Agatha Shorter-Lewis and to impart our condolences to her family and friends. And joining us today via Zoom we have a few members of her family, Danielle Chambers, a niece, Geraldine Tinson also her niece, great niece Kira Tinson Sergeant Daniel Rios from the Santa Maria Police Department, Lois Trask, Wilma Harrison and Lynette Harris. And I'll go ahead and read the resolution into the record.

Whereas Agatha Shorter-Lewis, after a lifetime dedicated to serving the people of Santa Barbara County passed away on October 5th 2021 and whereas Agatha was a graduate of UCSB earning a bachelor's degree in sociology which prepared her for the career which she truly loved. And whereas Mrs. Shorter-Lewis initially began her career as a volunteer in the Santa Barbara County Probation Department in 1973, but after scoring number one on her placement test was hired as a DPO2 in 1975 becoming the first black female deputy probation officer in the county. And whereas Agatha spent 27 years with the department before retiring in 2001, her most memorable times were spent working a juvenile caseload where she used her fair but firm personality to ensure local kids made it to school and stayed out of trouble.

And whereas Agatha was heavily involved in the community, holding numerous leadership positions within the Santa Maria Lompoc chapter of the NAACP. She was also a Sunday school teacher and was named as a representative of the New Hope Missionary Baptist Church to state and national delegations. And whereas Agatha was married in 1993 to the Reverend Henry Littleton Lewis Jr. at a wedding that people still talk about today due to the 25 bridesmaids and over 1,000 guests in attendance with many of them being judges attorneys and probation officers.

Whereas Agatha enjoyed her retirement years celebrating many of her birthdays cruising on the high seas with our husband And whereas Mrs. Agatha Schroeder-Lewis led a life that should be an inspiration to all of us, a true public servant who overcame bias and discrimination in her own life and yet remained focused on creating a better world for her family and her community.

Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County does hereby acknowledge the passing of one of our own, Mrs. Agatha Schroeder-Lewis, and do impart our condolences to her family and friends passed and adopted today.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction36:45

Supervisor Levenham?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8036:48

Well, it was an honor for me to sponsor this resolution and it wouldn't have happened without another one of our own, Lawanda Lyons Pruitt. And when you say it's an honor, it was really an honor to read about her life and just the struggles that she overcame and the bias that she overcame and still being able to hold a... She's just a true light in the community. So I appreciate you bringing this to me and I was just grateful that we're able to honor her today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed37:25

Thank you, Supervisor Lavanina, Chair Nelson, supervisors. Danielle will be speaking on behalf of the family we're just here to support her. We have other members and executive committee members. Thank you for recognizing Mrs. Shawnda Lewis. She is sorely missed. And she really was larger than life and just went about doing things. And one thing that she did, if you knew her, everyone knew that she would sell you a ticket to something.

So that's going to be hard, hard to replace and just that bit bubbly smell also. So once you met her, you would never forget it. Thank you so much.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction38:13

Thank you. Yes, yes, yes.

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CommentDanielle ChambersProposedself-stated38:23

Is it okay to speak now?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role38:24

Yes, we're just taking a quick picture. But yes,

CommentDanielle ChambersProposedself-stated38:26

please.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role38:27

Okay. Welcome.

CommentDanielle ChambersProposedself-stated38:30

Thank you. Thank you Supervisor Levin. You know, to the members of the board again my name is Danielle Chambers. I'm Agatha's niece she did not have any children and my uncle passed away about eight years ago so she died a widow And I thank you all for adopting this resolution in her honor. You know, last Tuesday a proclamation from the Honorable Mayor Alice Patino of Santa Maria was presented on behalf of my aunt to the family and then on October 21st flag was flown over our nation's capital in our honor and at the request of Salud Carver Hall He also proudly read about or told the members of Congress about the work of my aunt, who I also called Aunt Aggie.

In addition to being who she was, a larger than life personality, she was a proud Santa Maria resident, a proud UCSB graduate. In addition to being the first African American deputy probation officer Officer for Santa Barbara County, and the second president of the NAACP Santa Maria-Lompoc branch which also includes being the first woman president for the same chapter.

My aunt believed in community and having real relationships with community members, small business owners, and community leaders which includes people like all of you Joyce Dudley I think she's present today All of those that are in the chamber currently being of support to me. And then also the late great Joseph Santino. In 74 when Aggie was just a probation officer training, she established the first black festival in the city of Santa Barbara and it was held at Santa Barbara Junior High School.

The aim of the festival was to bridge the greater Santa Barbara community with the black community An article in the Santa Barbara News Press, I believe that's the paper featured the event and gave a story of prominent position like it was front page top full. And it's important for me to note that today because this is the first of many such articles in her 48 years of being a resident of the County of Santa Barbara which started in Goleta ended in Santa Maria.

All those articles just document her commitment to this community, which includes the celebration and building awareness of the cultural capital of African Americans that live within the five districts of Santa Barbara County. At her homegoing celebration on Saturday, October 30th I asked everyone in attendance to think about how we get to fulfill or betray our legacy each day.

And I'm not talking about the legacy we inherit from relatives or by genetics. I'm talking about the legacy of being by virtue of community member My aunt's legacy is fully established and documented from Congress to local government. But I'm asking this board to think about which part of my aunt's legacy that you inherit by virtue of being an elected official of this community, representing all of your constituents.

Think about it and accept it Because I am challenging you to think about how you will sustain her work, the relationships. I don't want her legacy to die off along with her physical presence on this earth. She faced a lot of discrimination because someone's legacy before hers died off. And to help the 6900 plus African Americans that still reside in this county.

You have to really think about how your position helps sustain better communities for all, including those issues that are hard to face sometimes or hard to deal with. And so with that I thank you and I'm very I'm humbled to receive this recognition from my aunt, but I want you guys to know there's many Agatha Shorter Lewis is still residing in the area. And it's important that those relationships are sustained to make it a greater and better Santa Barbara community for everyone. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed44:00

Thank you once again.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role44:01

Yes, and thank you Miss Chambers for your words on behalf of my colleagues so we accept your challenge. Thank you. Alright, so at this time we will now go to the X agenda item And before we have this item, I just wanted to read something here. Rolling Hills is a small community of approximately 20 homes southeast of Orkut. Since its inception they have owned and operated a rural mutual water company.

Earlier this year they had issues with their well and ultimately had a well failure leaving the community without a water source. In June public health issued a boil water order and sheriff and fire were put on notice of the water issues in the community as it is a high fire zone. Residents have been forced to fend for themselves and living only on a few gallons of a day of water. They've individually been filling personal tanks to meet their individual needs.

Since then, my office county staff along with the neighbors and ultimately Golden State Water, the municipal water source for Orchid had been working to find a solution for this emergency. Golden State Water staff helped the Mutual Water Company apply for a Department of Water Resource grant to create a temporary intertie to the Golden State water system. Unfortunately, neighborhood lacks the resources to execute the grant over the weekend. Public Works and County Council worked to find a way for the water agency to step in and receive the grant on behalf of Rolling Hills.

As time is of the essence and this is an emergency as well as a public health with, as there's a public health order in place. I ask that this be put on today's agenda as an ex-agenda item, and I would appreciate the support my colleagues to approve the addition to today's agenda and join me in approval of this grant. So with that Madam Clerk will you read or would you read the appropriate language?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction45:50

Chair Nelson and members of the board. Yes, as previously noted earlier we did receive an ex-agenda request this was from Public Works Board of Directors in the Water Agency it is to consider recommendations regarding a resolution to accept small community drought relief program grant funds and this is in the fourth district and I would just like to note for the record I have An item that needed to be added on to the agenda after the agenda had been posted and within 72 hours of the hearing due to an emergency situation as defined by government code section, and that should read 54954.2B1 and upon a determination by a forfeits vote of the board.

So prior to the board taking action on this item, if we can please get a motion stating that this was an emergency situation and to add this item to the record.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role46:45

Can I get a motion? Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8346:48

I move that this was an emergency situation and that we add this to our agenda today.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role46:53

Second. A second from Supervisor Williams. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Okay, at this time would you go ahead and read the item now into the record so we can discuss and make a motion.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction47:08

Chair Nelson and members of the board. Next agenda item number one is from Public Works Board of Directors Water Agency. It is to consider recommendations regarding a resolution to accept small community drought relief program grant funds and this is in the fourth district.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role47:22

All right thank you. Right is there any discussion on this item or public comment?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction47:28

Chair Nelson and members of the board, we did not receive any requests to speak on this ex-agenda item request.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role47:33

All right. So seeing none, can I get a motion on this item? Supervisor Harmon?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8347:40

I just had a question on the substance is now the right time. So you said temporary intertie. So did the well fail because of the equipment or because you need to drill a deeper well to get to the groundwater and what is the long term solution?

CommentWalter RubicabaProposedself-stated47:58

Ms. Rubicaba? Hi, Supervisor Hartman through the Chair. I'm Walter Rubicaba and I have Matt Young here from the Water Agency and Scott McAuliffe is also available. To answer your question there was two failures. There was a production and a screening failure. And we've been asking that question a lot recently so it appears that this screen is failing at the bottom of the well and there's a lack of water as well So this intertie is an interim, short-term remedy.

We're still trying to figure out what the long term solution is.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role48:36

And just to answer that question from my perspective you know we've been working as a team with various entities one of the options would be potentially making this intertie permanent at some point in the future but that's a more lengthy process involving LAFCO and other issues Thank you, Mr. Chair. All in favor signify by saying aye. Motion passes unanimously. I want to take the opportunity to thank the water agency, Scott McAuliffe and Matt Young, Walter Rubicala to work hard on this. You guys worked over the weekend as well as County Council. I appreciate that. And Don White from Golden State Water did amazing work working with the state agency to make sure this happened. Hopefully we will be able All right, that's the conclusion of our administrative agenda.

At this time we have public comment and as we go into public comment I want to just remind the public that today we've scheduled the COVID briefing to the end of the day I just want to make sure that everybody was aware moving into public comment.

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction50:37

Joe Nelson and members of the board. Yes, we have five requests to speak on general public comment today. We are going to begin on zoom with Briggs Waco to be followed by Maria Kessner Briggs. And Briggs adjust a friendly reminder. We have unmuted you on our end if you can please press unmute and proceed with your comments.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed51:11

Turn out some members of the board. I'm going to proceed with Maria Kessner to be followed by Doctor Amy Smith, Maria.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role51:23

Good morning, Board of Supervisors. I hope you can hear me. Last week, public comment calling out for citizens arrest was falsely labeled as imminent lawless action. The county council present at the board meeting did not call out supervisor Dustin William on this error. California Penal Code 837-PC allows a private person to make a citizen's arrest. Laws in over 40 states specifically protect citizens' arrests, and in other states common law governs this very important practice. A citizen's arrest may be rare but Open Meeting Act violations are widespread problem.

The badly keen Open Meeting Act of 2004 states requirements for open meetings that people of the state do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them The people in delegating authority do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so they may retain control over the instruments they have created. This article shall be known and maybe cited as the Bagley-King Open Meeting Act. Under the same act, the opportunity for public to speak at meetings, the state body shall not prohibit public criticism of the policies programs and services of the state body or of the ex-affirmations of the state body. Nothing in this division shall confer any privilege or protection for expression beyond that otherwise provided by law.

And then to continue, a violation or misdemeanor each member of the state body who attends a meeting of that body in violation of any provision of this article and where the member intends to deprive the public of information to which the member knows or has reason to know the public is entitled under this article is guilty of a misdemeanor. As you can see the emotional reactions by current sitting supervisors are inappropriate unprofessional and uninformed We hope you will improve your conduct towards the public and educate yourselves to be better representatives to all of us. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role53:26

Thank you, Mr. Kessner.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction53:28

We will now go to Dr. Amy Smith to be followed by Josh Medrano.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role53:33

OK, I'm also going to close public comment at this time. Dr. Smith?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed53:43

Hello, I'd also like to say that I have a zoom capability with video. I'd be happy to be on video but it could be a little more like we're together. You have the capabilities so i'm not sure why public commenters aren't invited to show their video but what I wanted to speak to today is the issue of the oversight that the Board of Supervisors has on the County Public Health Office According to the Graduate School of Political Management at George Washington University, since propaganda and public relations both share the goal of using mass communication to influence public perception.

It can be easy to conflate the two. Propaganda however traffics in lies misinformation inflammatory language and other negative communication to achieve an objective related to a cause goal or political agenda. So the fact of the health department peddling in propaganda, that would absolutely be part of something you guys should be investigating and having oversight over. Propaganda related to the coercion into no long-term tested medical product, that's actually criminal in the state of California and Actually be scientific fraud to misstate or understate the risks and concerns, and to not provide the cost benefit analysis of such a treatment. And so unfortunately it's a very difficult time with a lot of political pressure and cancel culture all of that stuff I totally appreciate your situation but unfortunately it falls to you guys really to be investigating carefully and providing oversight to make sure that your health department isn't peddling in fraud and propaganda Dr.

McAuliffe has said that the shots, these COVID injections for children that now are being pushed by the governor of our state and our health officer, that they will kill probably 100 children for every one that they save from death from COVID. COVID fortunately for very young children has been very kind compared to other Illnesses that we routinely live with, like the flu. The deaths of children were fewer relatively, of course each one is tragic but relatively few and the dangers of an untested vaccine that has no known impact on fertility, on heart health, on autoimmune disease is extremely important. And so the fact that the health officer is advocating that children of the part of the pool that needs to be vaccinated.

Also considering the fact that children are not being seen as a large vectors for transmission all of these things mean that we need to be really exercising oversight over this health office and protecting children and parents from propaganda that that means fraudulent information inaccurate information

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role56:53

thank you doctor Smith. That is time

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction56:58

We will now go to Josh Medrano, and to be followed by Amy Blair who is in the Santa Barbara hearing room.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction57:12

Well good morning honorable Board of Supervisors

GuestJoshua MedranoTreasurerProposedself-stated57:15

how we doing today? Everybody good?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role57:17

Great!

GuestJoshua MedranoTreasurerProposedself-stated57:18

All right well hey I appreciate your time an opportunity to come to you from your friendly neighborhood building trades My name is Joshua Medrano and I'm the Executive Secretary and Treasurer of the Tri-Counties Building and Construction Trades Council of San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura Counties. Over the last several weeks you have heard not only from myself but other members of the community as well as labor which we are one in the same coming and trying to educate everybody on the need for CWAs and I am here today to spread a little bit of knowledge about a facet of a PLA that really goes unnoticed. What is that? Well, it's the SB1 pre-apprenticeship programs that along with the Goodwill and the Workforce Development Board, SLO Partners as well as other organizations in the community have partnered together to bring As of right now, Santa Barbara has completed about five weeks of instruction.

That has been with the pipe fitters in the very beginning, as well as participated in some blueprint reading, resume building and interview skills. And the next cohort that's going on is actually has already started. So we are moving and grooving. We have cohorts coming up in Ventura and in that area on the 20th of this month. So why am I bringing this to everybody's attention?

Well, because not only do we come to this board and encourage you to continue to move forward with the community workforce agreement. But we also need to work ahead of time in order to assure that everybody has an opportunity to benefit from moving forward with bringing jobs and keeping jobs here in the community. And what better way than to put on outreach to build So, if you would like further information, please feel free to visit our web page as well as our Facebook page. You can go to slow partners. You can go to your local community workforce development board and find information on the current pre apprenticeship programs brought to you.

by the building trades of your local community. So we appreciate everybody's attention today and please reach out to us for further opportunities, and we continue to encourage this board here to keep these jobs here local. Thank you for your time.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:00:33

Thank you.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction1:00:35

We will now go to the Santa Barbara Hearing Room Chamber for Amy Blair who is our final speaker. Amy?

CommentAmy BlairProposedself-stated1:00:44

Hi, I'm Amy Blair and I just wanted to address this publicly. We all know that Gavin Newsom has been missing in action since October 27th when he received his COVID vaccine booster. He actually had to abruptly cancel his attending of the climate conference in Scotland so I just want to publicly say that I hope he is okay amongst all the rumors that he may be suffering the known potential adverse side effects of guillain-barre.

I hope he is okay and his family as well thank you

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:01:13

Thank you, Miss Blair.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:01:18

Yes, Mr Chair I have an announcement that I'd like to make two today the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration Noah announced it is seeking public comment on the first steps towards designating a new national marine sanctuary. It would be a 7000 square mile area off the central coast adjacent to San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara counties. And the press release states that the designation of a Chumash Heritage National Marine Sanctuary would protect the region's important marine ecosystem, maritime heritage resources and cultural values of indigenous communities while allowing NOAA to manage compatible uses within its boundaries.

NOAA requests specific input on the sanctuary name, the sanctuary boundary compatible uses threats a new sanctuary would address and how best to promote marine science and education initiatives. And other topics as described in the notice of intent. The results of this scoping process will assist NOAA in the preparation of draft designation documents, which then will also be released for public comment. And people who are interested can make written public comment at www.regulations.gov and there are also going to be three public meetings December 8th, 13th and 6th and the comment period will end January 10th. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:02:45

All right, that concludes our public comment period.

The next item on the agenda is departmental item number one. Madam Clerk will you please read that item at the record?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:02:57

Chair

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction1:02:57

Nelson and members of the board. Departmental item number one is from behavioral wellness. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a contractor on payroll COP agreement with Audra Dillard RN for fiscal year 2021 through 2022.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:03:15

All right. Do we have somebody from public health here? Or sorry, behavioral wellness?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:03:22

Yes. Good morning.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:03:23

Yes. Welcome Miss Fisher.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:03:25

Yes, good morning chair Nelson and members of the board. So I'm here today to ask the board to allow the authorization execution of the agreement for services of contract on payroll with Andre Dillard to provide infectious disease prevention and control services to our psychiatric health facility. And as you're aware are puff is required by state and federal regulations to conduct infection prevention activities and maintain a comprehensive infection control plan. And according to the regulations, the measures are very narrow as far as who can actually provide these services. It must be someone who has primary training in nursing or a related field is qualified by training experience or certification works at least part time and at the facility and has completed specialized training in infection prevention control.

And we have contracted for this position historically. However, when Andre came to work for the county as a nurse at the Puff, she had these qualifications so we used her in this capacity. Unfortunately, Andrea retired from her position October 31st and although she gave a two month notice, the department has yet to be able to find someone or recruit with her contract with someone who has these very narrow specific requirements and qualifications And so due to the difficulty in finding someone to fill a position, you know we are asking to be able to contract with Andre for up to 10 hours a week through the end of fiscal year or until the department can either hire someone or internally train up a long term replacement.

And there are health and audit risks to not having an infection prevention and control specialist in place. And so we are asking that the board waive the normal six months, that an employee must generally wait to be hired as a contractor after leaving employment. Thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:05:25

As a member of the Puff Governing Board, I understand how important this position is to the county and what kind of risk that we would be put at without having this in place. I also had some questions for staff that were satisfactory. These come to us for a reason. The state has said that this isn't a good idea for people to retire and then come right back as a general practice. And so this needs to be done in a public hearing.

This is one that definitely qualifies as inappropriate Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board. I just want to say thank you for your support of this process. And I'm supportive of this. I also like the contractor on payroll route that we are going on this is a good model moving forward with some

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:06:20

All in favor signify by saying

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:06:21

aye. Motion passes unanimously.

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction1:06:36

Turn Nelson and members of the board departmental item number two is from the county executive office, it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a status report on criminal justice improvement efforts and the main jail rehabilitation project.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:06:51

Good morning, Supervisors. I'm Mona Miyasato of the County Executive Officer and I'm going to kick this off also we have a lot of folks who are on zoom today and including a retired judge Cheryl Ellsworth who's going to be helping me with this presentation. And Jeff Rappel is also our Assistant CEO will be also part of the presentation today. Good start the PowerPoint So we've been coming to the board frequently to talk about the efforts we've made and we are continuing to make, to improve the criminal justice system here in Santa Barbara County. Today we're gonna talk about that but also give you an update on the main jail rehabilitation project. And so I just wanna first acknowledge and say thank you to some of our criminal justice partners who are on Zoom or in the room from the Public Defender's Office, Tracy McCougar obviously, Lamer Kyle Griffiths and Deepak Budwani Obviously our Chief Probation Officer Tanya Heitman who is here today in the room as well as Damon Fletcher.

District Attorney Joyce Dudley, her chief deputy John Savernoff who's here in the room today and Michael Soderman. The Sheriff Bill Brown, Undersheriff Lindbergh and Chiefs Bonner and Wasilewski who are on Zoom today Also from the courts, I want to thank Angela Braun and Daryl Parker and also our presiding judge LaVianne who've been working with retired Judge Cheryl Ellsworth in helping us have a better understanding of each other's issues.

Also behavioral wellness, Pam Fisher and her staff who've been continuing to work with us. Next slide please. So again today's report is on two different issues. One is our ongoing efforts to enhance the system. We gave you an update in July and you asked us to return with a project tracking timeline which we attached to the board letter. We'll talk about some of those today but we won't go through all of the different initiatives that are in the attachment and we can answer any questions that you have. And again, today we are assisted by a retired judge Cheryl Ellsworth.

And then Mr Frappel will talk about the main jail rehabilitation project we also have general services who is here today to answer your questions to give you a status report address concerns provide options and our recommended action. I do want to say on the second issue and Mr Frappe will talk about that we did have several meetings. With League of Women Voters and CLU. And they submitted letters, and I think you've seen that as part of the public comment. And I want to say thank you to them because through our meetings with them, and they've met with all our different department heads, we did change our recommendation to your board. We thought a little bit harder. We looked at different options, and it did change our recommendation. So I want to acknowledge them as well.

Next slide. Next slide. So when we look at our criminal justice system improvements, as we said this started even before COVID but because of COVID you also asked us to look at different improvements that were being made to look at efficiencies in the system and to address the COVID pandemic and what could continue. And so we've been doing that and then in the attachment you'll see there are 14 different action items and milestones I'd like to start by saying thank you to all of our board members for their hard work and dedication.

Again, the attachment to your board letter includes these 14 primary initiatives and they're broken into three broad areas. One is transparency and we have Chief Heitman who will go over the data dashboard and actually do a demonstration of the data dashboards that we have up. Equal justice regarding strategies to optimize due process how it can be more efficient overall and community solutions and these are things that the board has been interested in looking at continuous case planning to reduce recidivism whole person interventions and ensuring victim engagement And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Judge Ellsworth.

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CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:10:58

Thank you. Next slide. And thank you Chair, Honorable Chair and esteemed board members as well as our own CEO. appreciate very much this opportunity. I think what was important for us and for the board was to take those issues and those items that we wanted to create efficiencies or take a deeper dive into it, put them in buckets that made sense. That transparency piece is the data dashboard. And I will say that the board members have also received, I believe information with regard Not only the data dashboards that will be shown today, but the district attorney's office under the leadership of Joyce Dudley starting their own dashboard as well and being well on beginning that. The next one is equal justice and this is a complicated and important and significant Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting What is the process and what are the processes with the baseline of following the law, as well as processes to move that into the hands of the defense as soon as possible by making its way through from law enforcement to the DA's office.

So discovery I'll talk about in just a little bit more we're looking at aged cases and they've had Very good work with collaboration of the Public Defender's Office and the District Attorney's Office. We continue to work with all members of the Sheriff's Department, probationists and the court with regard to enhanced access to inmates whether that is actual physical vacant appointments are going in and seeing We've had great success with the mandatory settlement conferences and the pre arraignment status. And once those Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting Expansion of pretrial release. Right now we have a population that's heavily felons over misdemeanors in the jail, the last I've been told and we are looking at ways to enhance that pretrial release but also not let individuals that should not be in the community because this is community solutions and also safeguarding your communities.

Looking at that holistic approach, the multidiscipline teams for case planning meaning I'm going to turn it back over to you. Look at this individual holistically, do they have needs for services and interventions now? Is there something we can do now? What can we do to start planning ahead of time so that we can continue that spectrum that we're talking about where we're engaging victims in And making sure that their rights are not trampled on and they receive the resources, but also looking at rehabilitation at the very earliest part or redirecting if you will using optimizing the use of alternative sentencing. We are in the works of discussing this by retaining with the sheriff there Their legal standard of making determination as to who is going to be released on this alternative sentencing and trying to look to probation, who may be the better suited department for the supervising.

We're exploring expansion of that holistic defense I talked about, and I just brushed on it. But it's very important to continue to look at that expanded optimize our use of diversions and off ramps we talked about the difference the last time we checked in with diversion and off ramps, the legal term diversion may not be The same as many of the off ramps. And so we're looking at that optimized victim advocacy services, they have a wonderful services already and have a really wonderful system in place at the DA's office. We want to make sure that our efforts are not eclipsing any of that but actually supporting that while we are also looking at alternatives for individuals that may receive services and resources to change their lives if they are a perpetrator or alleged perpetrator.

And we also have the ThriveSBC.org application, which is a function, a wonderful app that has been worked on for quite a while by the Public Defender's Office that will put a tool in the hands of returning individuals back to the community, and how they can get housing. And those individuals that have been previously incarcerated rather than to come home to the same community that they left in a position that they left maybe with the wrong situations in there and lack of opportunities. This puts a tool in their hands that allows for them to consider things like education, housing allows them to get tools and resources around a plethora of different solutions that are necessary to take individuals once incarcerated and been released into a better situation.

So then again all this looks at recidivism as well as off ramping people into the right lanes to give them the services and the resources they need. Next slide please.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:17:38

Next slide.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction1:17:47

Turn out some members of the board just for those members that are presenting via Zoom, please note that it is switched on our end there is just a slight delay in Zoom. Our apologies. OK, that's fine thank you so we could see transparency data

CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:18:02

dashboard on our screen. OK very good and with that I'll turn it over. I believe to Chief Heitman correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:18:10

Yes, and let's take a few minutes. We're going to, Chief Hyten is going to talk about the data dashboard and actually show us on the

CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:18:18

computer. Very good thank you I will mute until I'm ready to chat again.

CommentChief Probation Officer TanyaProposedself-stated1:18:28

Good morning, Chair Nelson and Supervisors. I'm Chief Probation Officer Tanya Heitman. Several months ago, I provided a brief overview of the probation department's data dashboard. Today with Assistant Deputy Director Damon Fletcher's assistance we hope to demonstrate some of the dashboard features for you that is if the technology in our internet connection will cooperate with us The dashboard is accessible to the public at sbprobation.org. To navigate to the dashboard, you go down to the lower left hand side of our landing page and click on adult services a drop-down menu will come up with the last item listed being the dashboard This part of the county's transparency initiative is designed to improve public access and awareness of criminal justice data, as well as encourage greater responsiveness to emerging trends and outcomes.

As our community seeks to better understand the local criminal justice system we hope to add context where possible and increase understanding of the inputs outputs and trends. The dashboard has information that may be unfamiliar to the community. So in order to further the educational process, we've created a glossary of terms for the dashboard that is visible below...

A glossary of terms for the dashboard that's visible below the dashboard. And as you can see, you can click on each of the terms and it opens up the definition. We can continue to build out more terms as appropriate. As we return to the dashboard let's look at a few of the main components. The upper left hand corner utilizes a map to demonstrate the number of active cases residing in those areas.

The locations are intentionally general so that we avoid a tight triangulation of data that could inadvertently reveal confidential client-specific data. As Damon hovers over Santa Barbara, for instance, you will see a pop up that drills down into that area with case counts, gender breakdown and supervision level. In the upper right-hand corner, you'll see a trend line for the active probation cases. This trend line demonstrates an overall decrease in active supervision cases occurring as a result of AB 1950 new state legislation which limited the amount of time many individuals may be on probation.

So for example, in December of 2020 We had 3,207 active supervision cases and we are now down to 2,257. We also want to demonstrate the ability to sort by supervision types. In the lower right-hand corner of the dashboard, it allows you to choose which type of supervision you want to view. For example, if you only check the Prop 36 box for our substance abuse treatment review calendar, you can see that our population for that particular specialty court has declined tremendously and we are now at 12 active Prop 36 clients versus the hundreds that we had several years ago.

versus if we change that box to select domestic violence, you can see we've bounced around quite a bit in the last year. This filtering is important to allow users to more fully understand the areas of increase or decline in our population. I also want to point out the pre-trial trend line toward the left hand side in the peach color As you can see, we continue to see increases in our pre-trial supervision numbers with a high now of 483.

Pre-trial has experienced phenomenal growth since we enhanced the program and increased the options for supervision. This project is an iterative and incremental one that we hope to have gradually improve over time. Toward that end, I wanna point out that in addition to the glossary of terms, we have FAQs posted below that address some questions but also provides an opportunity to submit additional questions as well as suggestions for continued feedback to the dashboard. The very last FAQ has a link to a feedback option As you'll see in the sheriff's portion of the dashboard which will be demonstrated next, we can link data across systems to help answer more complex questions.

As we expand to additional departments, we anticipate even more opportunities to look at a variety of areas of interest. We're very thankful to Probation Chiefs Innovation Officer John Kuo, who has led the IT effort to link these systems and created the dashboards as well as Karen Milligan our Research and Special Project Manager who's partnered with John in advancing this work and who oversees the glossary and FAQs.

To demonstrate the jails portion I want to turn it over to Chief Deputy Wazielewski

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:23:30

Good morning chair Nelson and supervisors thanks for having us. Damon can you bring up by.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:23:46

As you know kind of said that this is a very broad range of data and it's static at this time static or a month Hopefully in the future we'll be able to do this and as needed you know real time kind of a snapshot but it does give you a snapshot of what we did back in October. Similar to hers there's a trend line across top which shows what our population has been. The boxes along the left starting with electronic monitoring And moving down through our average jail population.

How many bookings and releases we do each day and some other things the jail days is another data point that we've come to the board with talk about so you should be familiar. This dashboard also has a glossary of terms so it can share You know when you have a question that might provide an answer for him. The other boxes along the middle actually break down some of the demographics is this crime categories population and age as well as you know race gender and whether they're set to run stuff.

I think that at this point if you guys have any questions, I would be open to answering anything about the

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:25:29

data that's on here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:34

If no questions were we could continue with the presentation.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:25:38

Please. Next

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:25:44

slide.

CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:25:50

In order to document our current process and our ideal process, future state and create procedures to support the ideal process. We've been working with Innovate SB and this is particular to the discovery process we have really worked hard with Each of the sheriff and the district attorney's office and the public defender's office, all of us grappling with issues.

Each each of these departments have worked within their own systems as well as work together with us across line what we're trying to do is not just identify technology support But we're also looking at that process to make sure that we don't leave in place anything that would not be helpful going forward. In other words, part of this exercise and there have been 10 formal sessions with a facilitator including Ryan Elms and Gerard and additional ad hoc working groups and several other individual meetings with our fellow Sarah Gill and myself What we're trying to achieve is to, as I said before, honor the law baseline follow the law make sure that the discovery process that is finalized and looked at is above all following the law.

very transparent and accurate for everybody, and efficient for everyone so that that process can be outlined. I'm not talking about a process where we go in and tell individuals who needs to do what. That's some self-discovery that each department is doing after which we believe that there very well may be technology resolution or solution. But that's got to be based on coming up with good protocols, procedures and process and that's what everybody's been working extremely hard on. We are also reaching out we've had some wonderful demonstrations with one company called nice anotheronebox.com we've reached out to our sister county Orange County who has always been a leader with I want to start by saying thank you so much to the board of Supervisors for this opportunity.

for equal justice under the terms of discovery can have every opportunity to really bet these possibilities. So we believe that we finished up some of our demonstrations yesterday, unfortunately I froze at the end which is probably good because I talked too much anyway and so those individuals on the phone during their last opportunity to show their We're able to take the stage instead of me, but we do believe that we will have some more meetings after that continue to work with Orange County. Mark Garcia of the CEO's office has been really great about connecting with Orange County and believe our recommendations as are indicated here will be forthcoming in 2022 at the end of that vetting process and that better understanding The DA has already implemented making some kind of program with Santa Barbara City Police, which utilizes e-disclosure and have been trying to look at different market research as well as to DIMS within their own systems.

Next slide please. The work continues. I believe that we have done a lot of work, partners meet, continue to meet twice a month, multiple other meetings and different action pods and different pocket things that come up. We will have meetings for example on alternative sentencing that will be continued. We will have meetings on each of those items that you see on your, I believe it's your attachment A. And we're making a lot of progress but I will caution that systematic change It takes time and commitment. And often we get down the road a little bit, and then we hit a bump and a roadblock and a glitch, and we have to recircle and grapple with it again. But I'm very confident that we can come back with more progress in 60 to 90 days. And that concludes this presentation unless you have any questions of me.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:30:46

Right. Thank you, Judge Ellsworth.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:30:48

Questions

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:30:49

from the board? Supervisor Hart and then

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:30:54

Supervisor Hartman. Yeah, I'm curious about the work that's being done to align the Alternative Sentencing Bureau supervision services with probation community services, supervision services. Is there any progress that you can report out about that?

CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:31:11

Yes, we're in been in meetings we've met several times with the sheriff. And again I want to just make sure that everyone is clear that alternative sentencing and the decision to who goes on to that program and is the rest with the sheriff and that would not change what would change is the idea of those early interventions and the supervision then being handed over to probation to be able to have early intervention. Right now, the population that's on alternative sentencing are really good candidates for being successful by being on alternative sentencing but there are ways to even augment that by utilizing connections with education, connections with other type of resources so the sheriffs would make the determination Then it would be turned over to probation.

They would have a specific team that would work with this population of individuals, and then the sheriff would also be the individual body that makes the determination as to who might be violated And we've all been in deep discussions, and we'll be meeting in the next week or two to take a look at that. The last that we left off were the individuals that are more of the boots on the ground. We're going to come up with a proposal for the larger group.

And perhaps if there's any other question to that Chief Heitman or someone from the Sheriff's Department. Pretty, I think shows what we've been doing specifically with regard to that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:32:51

Thank you judges Ellsworth. That's really helpful. Um, I have a question about the probation department and Chief Heitman you've increased the number of people on the pre-trial supervision throughout the pandemic. And is there anything else you'd like to comment on about the future or pretrial supervision as we emerge from the pandemic?

CommentChief Probation Officer TanyaProposedself-stated1:33:08

Supervisor Hart through the chair, thank you for that question. As you probably noticed on the data dashboard, that increase in pretrial supervision has been very steady and it actually predates the pandemic. Since we implemented a more robust assessment and more intensive supervision options for pre-trial, we have seen a steady increase. And many jurisdictions during the pandemic once the zero bail emergency order was placed into effect they saw declines or really some significant lags in their pretrial population. We did not have that issue and continued to grow the program.

So at this point, I actually anticipate that that will continue. That even as we come out of the pandemic, that our pretrial population will probably continue to rise. Particularly as the court looks at lifting or modifying the zero bail order, that would push additional people into the jail That are currently being released on zero bail. And once they enter into the jail, that would trigger a pretrial assessment and many of those will be low level offenses that would be eligible for pre trial supervision. So at this point, notwithstanding any significant change in the law. or other unpredictable kind of variances, I would only anticipate it will grow and that we need to continue to plan for that. To anticipate that potential growth and ensure that we have enough resources in place both to supervise them effectively but also to provide them the treatment and preventative services that will ensure that they continue to abide by their orders of release and return for their future court hearings.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:35:03

Thank you There are a number of important and impressive diversion programs that are under development. And the presentation didn't go into the details of that, but I'm curious if any of the departments want to talk about that and the progress is being

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:35:18

made to increase diversion. Anyone jump in? Yeah John you wanna?

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CommentDave FrostProposedself-stated1:35:34

Okay, there you go.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed1:35:38

Texting is a powerful tool. In separate locations. Chair Nelson and members of the board through Supervisor Hart, John Sabernock Chief Deputy District Attorney, There are a number of diversion programs coming. One that is about to occur is the neighborhood restorative justice program in Goleta. That will be a program based upon a program in Yolo County, but more importantly based upon other evidence-based restorative programs throughout California and throughout the country.

We have developed the program design All the necessary infrastructure for the program. We are waiting for some additional training to occur, and that program should be should actually be up and running we are shooting for the first quarter of calendar year 2022. It's an exciting new program that initially will handle a variety of misdemeanor offenses and be based in the Goleta Valley.

It is again our hope to expand that program countywide. We are also working with the Center for Court Innovation, the people that participated in the Sixth Amendment project Sponsored by the CEO's office. They are working with us to establish a felony diversion program and They are currently being funded by the BJA NTTAC. In any event, Alphabet Soup federal agencies have just approved their funding so they're working for their budget for the Santa Barbara program with the Federal Bureau of Justice Assistance. So We are working on a timeline, their timeline to get going with the needs assessment coming in interviewing all of the partners and participants in the justice process. Community organizations probation public defender law enforcement all the partners they anticipate beginning that process either at End of this calendar year or early in calendar year 2022.

Thank you, appreciate hearing that new update.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:38:20

Thank you thank you and also Sheriff Brown is on the line would like to answer that question as well sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed1:38:28

Thank you sir Nelson and members of the board just wanted it to weigh in with some diversion programs at the sheriff's offices involved in your brief. You're all very familiar with our co response Program to mental health crisis calls and but the last. Board meeting got a presentation, I would just remind you of the statistics there that in the year 2020 we had in the county about 3000 just over 3000.

Crisis calls that came in to our dispatch center. 1600 plus of those calls were handled by our co response teams that went out with a deputy sheriff and a clinician to handle those calls out of those 1600 plus calls that were handled by the Co response teams only 11 of the people that were the subject of those calls ended up being arrested and taken to jail, so it's proven to be an exceptionally effective diversion problem getting people into treatment, community-based treatment rather than into jail.

We also just wanted to make quick mention of the fact that we have the Isla Vista Restorative Justice Program that is an alternative to the traditional criminal justice system as well as teen court and as mentioned the Alternative to Custody program which currently we have about 10%, an equivalent of about 10% of the people who are in custody in the jail Are on alternative to custody and are on electronic monitoring, and are essentially either under house arrest or under ankle monitoring allowed to go to work to school and things like that. So just wanted to recap those things that the sheriff's office had some control over.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:40:16

Thank you, Sheriff. Just a comment I really appreciate the presentation. The data dashboards are really powerful and impressive but I love the fact that the departments are working together on that and providing that transparency because the reason for the reason transparency is so important is that I think we're trying to have these decisions made about the criminal justice system with data And so having the public accessible to that data in its, in its best form makes these conversations more substantive and more effective and our decision making is resolved better too. So this is really the foundation To everything we're trying to do, really appreciate everybody stepping into that. And I see we got an email this morning from District Attorney Dudley talking about the data dashboard for the district attorney's office too so that's more good news.

All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:41:13

right thank you Supervisor

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:41:14

Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:41:16

Yes could we go back just to slide five?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:41:25

That's it. Yeah, thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:41:28

The first thing is I think this is really a nice way to lay it out to organize. It's extremely helpful. I did have a couple of questions are the numbers in any way priorities or are we? It's just a way to identify that's my first question.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:41:50

Supervisor Harmon, it's the latter. It's just a way to identify and if you look at our chart I'm sorry we didn't put the chart into a PowerPoint slide but we have different dates on the chart and that would tell you the order of things.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:42:00

Thank you and then just a clarifying question number eight the multidisciplinary teams how does that differ from 10 holistic defense?

CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:42:13

Thank you, that's a wonderful question. Holistic defense and certainly I would invite public defender to answer this better than I will, but the holistic defenses and approach to the overall Defense of an individual communal defense looking at how to restore that individual, looking how to put resources there and really looking at the entire individual. I would say that the intake and discharge services in the multidiscipline team is an augmentation of that in that if you're looking at holistic defense it would make sense That there are teams within the jail made up of individuals such as a social worker, you know, probation officer, defense attorney or sheriff, whomever that multidisciplinary. So when you first come into the jail, you do what I love to use that Harry Potter sorting hat right away where you get the right plug into the right resources so that you already are starting down that.

And I think that's a really good point. I think it's important to have that trail of letting holistic defense come in and expand that same with discharge so that rather than somebody waiting three or four days, and then somebody you know there are contacts and they're doing a really good job. We just want to have an even better And also being a part of saying, hey let's start thinking about these programs. If you would like a better definition and public defenders certainly you can give a better definition but it is I would say one augments the other.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:43:58

And I think that helps enormously. Thank you. And a question about the data dashboard, so if I'm thinking back we were doing something interim and then we plan to do something more permanent. So I just think the interim is spectacular.

CommentMaria Kessner BriggsProposed · by introduction1:44:23

So I'm really glad you said that and keep coming Chief Heitman but I want to say, I didn't get to say my two cents in this. I think that John and is it Karen? Chief Heitman what a spectacular job they've done and this is all in-house. This is amazing and I've taken a look at what the DA has recently sent with their letter. I think that your county really needs to be Really pat on the back here, especially with the leadership of Heitman and the DAs. And we're getting this and everybody's working because this is the interim and it's pretty spectacular. So I'll turn it to you Chief Heitman

CommentChief Probation Officer TanyaProposedself-stated1:45:06

Okay, Supervisor Hartman through the chair. This is intended to be an interim solution but as you've noted it's really taken us a long way and we still have some more work that we can do at a local level before we need to really branch out and do something more sophisticated with a consultant potentially. We are in the process of working with the DA's office. As you're aware they have launched some statistics on their own website But they continue to work with us to move towards an element of the dashboard that would integrate their data with the other criminal justice partners. So for instance, on the sheriff's portion, it wasn't displayed well perhaps on the screenshot but if you hover over The jail population, it actually will demonstrate for you how many of the probation clients are in custody.

And it's an example of how we've overlaid their data with our data as we bring the da on will be able to do similar type things with their data and then ultimately the public defenders data The next level of it would really be using a very sophisticated engine to drive some analysis on top of what Power BI can do. Measures for Justice has done something similar in Yolo County, but they really have focused only on the District Attorney's Office and their effort there. So in some ways our effort is more sophisticated in the sense that it crosses so many different departments.

But the level of analysis will be limited until we bring in an even stronger kind of engine behind the scene to do analysis on the data that we're retrieving. In many ways, it is. I've looked around at other counties in California and I haven't found any quite yet that are being as transparent with so many different departments all linking it in this way.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.831:47:12

Well, thank you. I just had a couple more comments. When we were hearing so many of the members of our community talking about oversight, I think transparency was really what they meant and I believe that this offers far more than any of us really anticipated in response to what the community was asking for and so kudos to everyone who's been working so hard on this And I just want to thank Judge Ellsworth and all the criminal justice partners who are coordinating.

You develop procedures within your own department, and it's really hard to step back and anticipate and imagine how it all fits together. Demanding exercise intellectually, and everybody's got already too much work to do. But over the long run, it's going to save us time but it really comes out of a lot of the height of people who are committed to this and so I'm just very very grateful to everybody who's Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Hartman.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:48:50

Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:48:52

I just had one question, you know the obviously some of the most important diversion takes up away early in the process. Do every jurisdiction that provides booking for our system have sobering centers and other measures to sort of prevent an unnecessary booking in the first place?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:49:23

Supervisor Williams, I'm not sure who that question is aimed at but my, I think the answer is no. Not all obviously organizations have that some haven't cities also as you know that there's collaboration with cities and counties. And so when Chief Hyman talked about looking at the whole system of data, that's something we want to look at from pre arrest all through the process to see how well we're doing.

The sheriff talked about co response Trying to get a comprehensive look of the entire systems to see what interventions are working. What more we need to do from the pre arrest all the way through the end of the system?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:50:00

I mean, I would just like in one in our future update to have that information and you know if possible to have the information of. Well, what does that mean for bookings that would be related for I think that's super relevant because sobering centers, compared to all the other solutions we're looking at are very cheap. And do not require this level of coordination. So I think it needs to be a piece of this

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:50:43

puzzle. All right. I

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role1:50:52

believe we have public comment on this item? Well,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:50:54

Supervisor, we haven't finished the whole item yet so we still have the second part which is looking at the main jail rehabilitation. So if we could go to that, we could pull up the PowerPoint again and Jeff Rappel, Assistant CEO is here as well as General Services and he'll go through that presentation. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:51:11

Good morning Mr. Chairman and Board Members As we shift gears here and look at the Main Jail Rehabilitation Project, let me just kind of walk you through some of the background on that as well as some of the facts and

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction1:51:23

figures. There we

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:51:30

go. So currently the main jail in South County has a rated capacity of 852 beds and operating cost about $49 million a year. Soon, you know you've heard soon for a long time but I think actually it's going to happen. In first quarter of 2022 will be operational in the Northern Branch Jail and that has an arrayed capacity of 346 beds and an S-bed operating cost of roughly 20 million dollars You'll recall most of the cost of the project, $80 million was funded from AB 900 grant. The balance came from the county's general fund at about $40 million. I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:52:13

have a question on that real quick. Mr. President. Jeff, why is... Why is the... I mean, I thought one of the reasons why we were designing the Northern Branch Jail the way we were was because it would lower the cost per bed of operational costs and those are very, very similar.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:52:31

Supervisor Lavarino through the chair, they are. It is partially the operational cost of the main jail may be a little dampened by the fact that we've had it currently have reduced population. So some of that is population driven. I think if we showed you a more historical cost, you'd see some higher numbers. I'm gonna talk about population in a moment. That could be part of the answer of why that is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:52:56

And does that include utility and maintenance costs?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:53:00

Supervisor Williams through the chair, that includes yes utility costs. I don't know about maintenance. I'd have to look at that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:53:14

And that's a big chunk of change?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:53:15

It is As we look at the main jail and an animal population, the current census when this slide was presented prepared with 644 inmates. This represents a significant decrease from their pre pandemic levels of 900 to 950 back as recently as March 2020 In the post-pandemic era, the sheriff has expressed to your board in June where the population may be going. Although this is something that we'll be looking at in more depth as we retain a consultant to look at and make jail inmate population projections into the future.

Recall your board, the board was presented in June 21 staffing plans That looked at the cost of the number of staffing as well as the components of the main jail that would continue to be used at different population levels. We do anticipate the Northern Ranch Jail being fully operational or available to be operational starting in the first quarter 22. And given the changing environment, as I mentioned we've retained a consultant to look at population trends and going forward.

In addition, your board recall you provided direction to staff, County Council and CEO's office to look at and start the process of removing any reference within our financing agreements with the state as related AB 900 to any specific minimum jail rate of bids. So let me talk a little bit about the need for the rehabilitation in the main jail. So the scope of the rehab is really critical to the longer term viability of the facility.

Importantly, it's not driven by our specific jail population to a large extent, nor is it to the largest standard we'll talk about the cost breakdown in a moment, a necessary reflection of our need to comply with the Disability Rights California Class Action Lawsuit. The complex was constructed over a period of number of years, from the 60s to the 90s. And the project really is looking at correcting building deficiencies in the electrical and mechanical ADA areas of the facility, and also doing large-scale maintenance such as HAAC structural improvements, interior efficiencies, security electronics, as these projects have been deferred for the last number of years.

The estimated cost of the project, as I'll break that down for you in a moment is about $24.2 million. Your board recall in 2019 we considered this and have been signaling that this would be a candidate should the board decide to proceed with the COP issuance, we would fund this project from that debt financing. We do anticipate bringing BRAC to your board next month I would like to start by acknowledging that we have an agreement for design services so that we can start the work on designing the construction documents for the rehabilitation project.

Here is a breakdown of the cost by component Thank you for your time. We have been waiting to do and deferring is about 5.2 million, the total work of deferred capital related work is about 14 million. In addition there's about 6 million related to creating medical and mental health areas in programming space within the main jail. And finally the cost to design project manage etc through the duration of their projects about $4 million. This brings the total project costs to about 24.2 million As our CEO mentioned, we had the opportunity to meet with many community members. I thought that meeting was really helpful and I think as Our CEO, Minnesota mentioned it did help us shape our ultimate recommendation for your board's consideration today.

But the concerns that expressed by the community was that do not rehabilitate areas of the jail that will no longer be needed and used. I think we're following the plan for renovating rebuilding or building new areas, be more modern and consider direct supervision models such as we are doing in the Northern Branch Jail Third was to plan for areas to allow greater out-of-cell time and attributes to ensure appropriate conditions for inmates and staff.

And early think longer term for ways to better support the rehabilitation of inmates. So with that, we've identified and included in your board material today four options. And while these are not exhaustive they do I think express kind of the gamut of possibilities for your board's consideration. First option was to simply proceed with the rehabilitation project outlined in the board report and as I've just discussed.

And that is really to initiate the design for the critical components and the ADA, to improve only those areas that will continue to be used. Obviously once designed, that would come back to your board prior to going out to bid to ensure that it is consistent with your board's priorities As I said, the estimated cost of that project is about $24.2 million and it'd be funded through COP should your board approve that.

And the estimated time required to achieve that is three and a half to four years. Option two as outlined in your board report is really similar to option one but adds an assessment of the longer term inmate housing and programming space needs on the main jail campus or additional beds at Northern Branch Jail. The idea is to initiate this assessment, to include direct supervision models for replacing beds at either the main jail or additional beds of the Northern Branch Jail.

To consider results of the jail population study currently underway and to return to your board again once that's been completed for further direction The estimated cost is about $24.9 million, so about $700 for the assessment. The assessment as envisioned is fairly robust. It includes not only assessment of kind of needs, the evaluation of diversion projects and programs that the effect they have on the population But also to look at and put some concepts together with respect to what the South County Jail campus could look like, and where those facilities might be located. What facilities might be removed or demolished? And how that works on the campus. We'd also do a complete assessment of existing capacity of the site both from a utility standpoint as well as a circulation standpoint.

And also then to put some cost estimates and numbers together for the board's consideration. So the assessment is fairly robust, I think what we would likely do is put that in kind of steps and so they increment on then kind of have some approval processes through those steps before we just go out and do a complete assessment. So that's how I would envision that. So that's option two and that is what we're recommending Options three and four. Option three is to proceed with a reduced rehabilitation in the main jail, again as I mentioned the need to do rehabilitation is really separate apart from the ultimate population for the vast majorities of the complex.

And option three is the potential to construct the STAR facility in Northern Branch Jail and we throw that out only as I think it's been brought up by the Sheriff but Also is because it's a facility that we have, we the county have put design into as we are considering the potential for state grant number years ago. And so we kind of have an idea of what that would look like in footprint on the northern branch jail was permitted with respect to the IRR, et cetera. Assuming that was going to be in place and so that's a low threshold, low barrier to increasing the total beds here on the Northern Branch Jail.

It does not... We do need an assessment obviously, and then that assessment would be informed by the projection study. It would replace some or all of the beds with a new facility at Northern Branch Jail updating the star design That project cost is roughly 67.1 million and we currently do not have funding identified for the larger project, nor have we had an opportunity to really until the design's done to really understand the operational cost impact. And that obviously is a budgetary impact as well so the number here on the screen is really for the construction of the facility.

So the time required of that is soon after three years, just do the rehab of the main jail, the portions of the main jail. And then four to six years do a new facility in development. Option four is in lieu of doing some additional beds at Northern Branch Jail is that the main jail proceed with the reduced rehabilitation and demolish areas and construct a new housing unit at the main jail So similar to option 3 except that the location is different.

And so, that estimated cost I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions. We have a number of options that will range, so it's up to $60.3 million. Again, it's not a project we have funding for identified at the moment. And again similar to option three, we'd have to look at what the long-term operational costs were staffing and maintenance of the facility. So those are kind We have a number of recommendations to look at those. Our recommendation is to proceed with option 2.

We think this is the least expensive alternative currently to address the immediate deferred capital, ADA deficiencies and court approved settlement requirements. We believe the amount of time required to accomplish this option is considerably shorter than either assessment forecast future requirement for rated capacity in a post pandemic environment and to evaluate the need for additional programs, diversion and or inmate housing capacity.

So with that I will stop and be happy to answer any questions I might as Mona Miyasato mentioned general services is here as well should those questions get beyond my ability to answer

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:05:00

Thank you, Mr. Bradwell. Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Williams.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:05:04

So my question may be more for the Sheriff or Chief Volszewski. Can anybody tell me how we distinguish who goes to the North Branch Jail and who we house in the main jail? I know some people have talked about well it's where family is closest I know that certain groups need to be separated, but is there also an element of what services or what rehab or what programs or what incentives?

It seems like that's a fundamental question to know how we're going to assign one in relation to what the other offers.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:05:50

Thank you Supervisor Hartman and the Chair. I believe, I'm hoping Chief Lazarus is still on the line.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:05:55

I'm going to turn it over to Chief Wazlowski.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:06:17

Local law enforcement agencies and sheriff's deputies to book inmates into that facility so it will be not just a holding facility, it will be a full service facility. And so, a certain percentage or certain amount of the of the capacity that jail will be taken up in that respect. It'll also be the. The the place that we would preferably move inmates who have to be transported to court in North County so they they would be transported from the northern branch jail rather than the current situation where they're transported from the south.

And then there are also going to be considerations in terms of what amenities and what programs are available For particular inmates that might be available in the south and perhaps not available in the north or vice versa, that would go into that decision. And as you mentioned, the location of the inmates' families would weigh into this as well in terms of trying to make it more convenient for visitation and such. But let me turn it over to Chief Wazlowski to get his comments as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:07:33

Thanks sheriff. Supervisor Herman through the chair. It is going to be a very complicated and complex equation to try and figure out who exactly is going to be that either facility it's going to depend on awful lot on classification and the amount of rated beds in each facility Obviously, you know we do about a 50-50 split goes, you know wobbles a little back and forth between North and South County at different times.

But with only 346 rated beds up in the North County and the rest remaining in the South County that's going to you know, we wouldn't be able to necessarily split it 50- 50 down or down the middle There are some programs such as, you know the reunification program that's going to be going on at the Northern Branch Jail and programs such as the canine rehabilitation program. Things that might not be readily available at the South Jail but there's also programs like the JBCT restoring felony ISTs that's only going to be offered in the South So we're going to have to do a juggling and you know.

It's it's going to it's going to be very complicated and it's got I have to be done on the fly because we don't know exactly who is in custody at any given moment. So it's going to change probably pretty dynamically that's as best of an answer like get

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:09:26

So if I might, just if I understand then both basically have to be full service facilities.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:09:35

Yes that's correct we're going to have booking and we're going to have medical and mental health services at both places. We're going to try and mirror all the programming at both facilities but obviously some are gonna be north and some are gonna be held south just because We don't have the bandwidth to do. 100% of them at each each

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:10:02

one. I just, I have two more questions. Do all jail rooms have to have bars? Do they all have to be cells?

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:10:16

Not necessarily. You know. I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:10:20

had a. Colleague of mine long time ago tell me that. You know, if you built me a barn. I could make it a jail. The you know the bars are just a design feature of our linear type facility and you know a plain door or even a wide open. Dormitory style. It really depends on what style of design that you're looking at and what kind of housing area you're operating.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:11:01

Supervisor Hartman, I would just add to that the answer to that question directly is no because our Northern Branch Jail doesn't have a single bar in it. It's designed in such a way that there are no bars. The cells have significant amount of glass that allow light and surveillance into them And we do have also dormitory style housing that is just open in terms of the open bunks in the areas there as well and there are no bars. So, as mentioned by the chief, the reason that we have so many bars in the south is just because of the vintage and the design At the time was a linear situation and we've come a lot further than that in terms of good corrections policy, and have moved away from the visualization of having any bars.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.832:11:57

My final question just has to do with how much, what kind of visitation do you see in both facilities? My understanding was a lot of the North Branch Jail will be through video conferencing rather than direct visits. And I'd like to know if that's correct and then what do we see at the main jail?

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:12:28

Let's take a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:12:30

look at your you are correct that one the facility was designed in the north County. It did not include any visitation area for you know contact or in person visitation it is designed for video visitation exclusively. The The standards have changed since then. However, our facility was grandfathered in because it would have created a design change that would have been very costly to the project if we had switched there. However, our facility here in South County already has those visitation rooms and that will continue.

We do have a plan to move towards Tablets for all the inmates in South County as well as in North County which will afford their visitation on the tablets themselves that they possess so that we will have both video conferencing and in-person visitation. And so, that's how somebody wants to come and visit.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:13:49

And Supervisor Hart, if I can just add also that although the Northern Branch Jail is designed as a video visitation facility we do also have for example family reunification room built in there and our intention is to utilize some of the other areas in the in the facility. The larger classrooms and others to have family reunification and parenting Reunification opportunities there as well. So it's not going to be exclusively video, but it will be primarily video visitation.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:14:24

Thank you, Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:14:28

I have a significant concern that the options outlined in terms of revamping the main jail undercount our actual expenses. And I want to make sure, I asked for this before to be disclosed I have this information and I want to make sure it's available to you. Our yearly cost of maintenance, the main jail in the last five years has been so per year, the average of the last five years has been $6.08 per square foot.

That combined with the cost of utilities, which the utilities is $705,696 a year. Is 1.6 million dollars a year. I submit to you that the main jail is a money pit and It usually don't get better as facilities age, it usually gets worse. And so when we look at options one and two, it's not just 24 million, 24 million plus this $1.6 million that will only increase as the facility continues to age.

When we don't even know how much of the facility will be necessary to house our inmate population. Essentially, we're doing this before we've done the analysis of how much we would actually need. So just make sure I have a question of Mr. Trapwell. So the figures that you gave me if you total up indicate that because not all 1.6 would be avoided if we built a new facility right that that we would be essentially Spending $466,000 a year more than what a state of the art facility would be. Meaning you said that a per square foot for a well-maintained detention facility is $3.60 per square foot.

That's not also to mention what the additional cost of doing outside time. So I don't know if Chief Wasilewski has had some time to think about that since our previous conversations, but so I just want to know. How much more overtime are we going to be paying every year because of the increased outdoor requirement that wouldn't cost, that we wouldn't spend in a direct supervision unit?

Chief, do you have any thoughts on that or any information of estimates of difference in staffing costs?

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:18:10

Well the traditional

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:18:16

housing areas that we have is more staff intensive than a direct supervision model because you have to move people from place-to-place without decentralizing services. So we need people to escort and to move people through the facility that we wouldn't see in a direct supervision housing. Someone asked earlier about the differences between the Northern Branch Jail and the Main Jail, The difference in operating costs wasn't as dramatic as one would have thought. And there is an administrative element to opening up a full-service facility, so that administrative cost had to be added to those costs of just supervision.

If you just added cells, you're looking at 64 to 1 and That that's all you look at that's all you see. But when you have a stand alone facility have to do all the all the other stuff but you know if they have the cooks make the meals and administrators to you know schedule staffing in and all the other things that adds up into their operating costs so I think that when you look there. Look at replacing the the Rated beds in the main jail with a with a new facility you would be avoiding or not having to add the additional operating costs of administration that's already in place.

I think that you would see a reduction in operating costs per inmate how much of one I I'm not quite so certain the overtime however Is really something that's been a structural staffing deficiency for quite a long time here and we've we've continually busted our overtime budget. Regardless of how close we've been to our approved positions so I think the answer your question. We're going to continue Uh, use overtime. We're going to have to continue to we're going to have to in order to operate this facility until we get some relief in the form of additional resources.

I know that's probably not what you wanted to hear but

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:21:12

Well, no. I mean it's not what I want to hear in general because it's bad news but I just think that this board needs to know that $24 million doesn't really just mean $24 million. It means $24 million plus an additional $466,000 a year that we really shouldn't be having to spend in maintenance and utilities plus a large unknown of additional staffing costs And what is our biggest cost driver?

Staffing costs. We have not even performed the analysis of how much staffing costs these options are going to create. So we're being asked today to pursue a path that is an unknown amount of millions more And I hope we would ask for better information than that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:22:16

Thank you, Supervisor Williams. Supervisor Labadino? Thank you Mr. Chair. Well I guess the answer to an unknown amount of money would just be to say well the way to fix it is 120 million dollars to build a new facility which is awesome and would really cut down on the maintenance But unless you know of a place that has $120 million, I don't know. We've gotta swallow some tough medicine here and do things that...

The way I look at this is this is 30 years of neglect, right? And you can't fix it in a year. So we did what I think was prudent which was to build the new facility Um, I would and based on what chief was saying that as long as you have 2 facilities. You're going to have these extended costs administratively. And that's why I always had preferred that we have one large North County facility and a small booking station with, you know, very downsized footprint in Santa Barbara. The sheriff has rejected that idea.

That's his call but there's no easy... I don't know if this was just an epiphany or not, but that facility down there is a money pit has been for 20 years and it's not going to get better. You're right. So the problem is where do we go from here? And we could do nothing and just wait and it's going to get worse and worse and worse, which we can't do. We're under some restrictions as well in some legal push that we have to do option one. And I think no matter what the other options are option one has to be done regardless so You know, I'm fine with moving forward on option one but option two is really option one. But bringing back to us, hey let's figure out what else we're gonna do here and let's find a way forward that makes more sense.

So I get what you're saying but there is the only easy quote unquote easy way out of this is just to build a new facility. Unfortunately that's not easy because we can't afford it We can't afford the one, we're barely affording the one we just built. So at a time when the state was going to match and provide us all the construction costs, we decided at that time not to do it.

And now we're looking back saying man, we wish we had those but you know what? We would still kind of be in the same position because even that STAR facility wouldn't replace the South County Jail. So some point we got to look at that Elephant and say, how do we eat this thing? And you got to do it one bite at a time. And it's option one right off the bat let's for the first time what I'm happy about is that I think is the good news is that for the first time we're going to actually do some Rehabilitation on that place down there and we've identified a way to do it. And we've all supported issuing a COP to deal with those first problems, so I'm really open minded about what option two looks like whether that means we add onto the North County Jail and we minimize the size of the South County Jail.

And I appreciate your demand for more information. But for me, I feel like we've got to move forward To me option two, which is still option two still gives us all that room to maneuver. And know what probably would have been the best thing is have that fire move a little bit in a different direction get all our inmates out and let that thing burn down and start over again. That didn't happen so I'm for option two.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:26:15

All right thank you Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:26:17

Yeah, I just wanted to clarify and I appreciate that we reasonable people can disagree on what is dealing with a terrible situation. And I agree with Supervisor Lavanino's assessment that this is like the compounding of years of kicking problems down the cannon. I really appreciate you and the supervisors that approved the Northern Branch Shale because as much You know, non-enthusiastic about the cost of that.

It was a much better decision than doing nothing and it will maybe provide us a path but none of these options are what I have been advocating for or what I have been advocating for is that we do the minimum rehab for safety That substantially would decrease that cost and use that savings to instead build additional direct supervision units. Two, I don't know, I guess it could be negotiated to three at 64 or 96 beds and that we not overbuild before we actually perform the analysis of what is needed.

My belief is that those that have threatened litigation against us believe that direct supervision is more humane. It also happens to be cheaper for us, and so offering to them two or three direct supervision units and potentially to deal with the sheriff's operational problem that having fewer beds would create I think we should renegotiate the settlement in a way that is more humane, saves us money over the long run and does not put us

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:28:37

Thank you, Supervisor Williams. We still have public comment and then final deliberations on this. We have not taken a break at all this morning to give our interpreter a five minute break here so we're going to break for five minutes and come back for public comment and deliberations. For agenda management purposes when this item is complete, we will then break for lunch. It will be a shorter lunch and then we'll be coming back for departmental item number three after that.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:36:49

All right, welcome back.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:36:52

Alright we're on departmental item number two and at this time Madam Clerk do we have public comment on

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:37:00

this item? Excuse me Chair Nelson and members of the board yes we have nine requests to speak on this item

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:37:06

all right please proceed

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:37:10

and we will begin on zoom with Barbara Murray to be followed by Maureen Earls. Barbara

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:37:20

Actually before Ms. Murray goes, let's go ahead and close public comment on this item. Ms. Murray when you're ready?

GuestWazielewskiProposed · by introduction2:37:27

Hi thank you very much for allowing me to speak to you today I am the mother of a daughter who is unfortunately one of the number 11 that the crisis team I have part of the problem with being a parent of someone with mental illness is that you are not allowed to have information about the arrests or it's just we're so limited on what we can have. I would like to know the amount of mental ill cases that are now currently incarcerated in the jail because I know that they're eating up Valuable money as far as how much supervision they have to have, how difficult it is.

It's been my daughter was arrested the first time just as COVID hit in 2020 she was in jail for about nine months before she was sent to the state hospital where she got her medication okay she got released to telecare And then was released to a step down program. And that's where the breakdown occurred, as far as trying to get her into housing and having her see a psychiatrist and me making it mandatory.

It just broke down. And then once again, she returned to her delusions which culminated in her second incarceration. I don't know what happened with the crisis team they were called But she was arrested and she had a felony. She is in felony and was on probation, and a lot of the breakdown also happens when they do a 5150 and are sent to either cottage or what happens is they deem them Um, and they deem them competent when they are not suicidal.

And that's pretty much the only criteria so they dump them back in the streets or to their families for us to deal with and after this happens a couple of times then they end up back in jail. So you know I just hope that I applaud everything that you're trying to do in And helping the jail system, as well as helping families and I know there's been tremendous amount of money from the federal government toward the mental illness and the homelessness issue that is in Santa Barbara. So I just, you know, I just think it behooves the council to do anything they possibly can With the holistic defenses has really helped but they're just it seems to be a breakdown when it comes to housing, and then having the psychiatric cost was only for in the state of California.

And so this problem multiplied my problem times a million than the state alone. It is a huge problem, but if we address that and try to get these people out of the jail system and into getting the help that they desperately

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:40:41

need. Thank you Ms. Murray. That is your time.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:40:45

We will remain on Zoom for Maureen Earls to be followed by Bill

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:40:49

Mockler. Maureen?

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:41:00

Ms. Earls?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:41:05

Maureen,

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:41:06

it appears you might not have a speaker device attached to your Zoom. Along with that invitation there is a phone call to call in if you do not have a microphone device attached to your Zoom account so I'm going to move on but if you could please call back in I will come back to you momentarily.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:41:31

We will now go to Bill Mochler to be followed by Walcott Gibbs

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:41:42

Good morning

GuestWazlowskiProposed · by introduction2:41:43

Chair Nelson, members of the board. Bill Mackler with Santa Barbara Defenders and I would like to address the main jail renovation. Our group led by Jeff Chambliss in favor of setting the rated capacity of the main jail back to its original of 864 beds. This approach post the opening of the Northern Branch Jail clearly furthers the carceral state and an altogether outdated model of criminal justice The board has a unique opportunity now to put the brakes on that and chart a new course. A course that we strongly believe reflects the wants and needs of our county's residents.

Less incarceration, we believe will not only reduce recidivism in crime rates generally but it will put a literally concrete limit on our shamefully disproportionate record of locking up the poor and disempowered. In my 30 plus years of criminal justice experience throughout California I've never seen a jail other than during a pandemic run under capacity. It's just not a thing.

Chief Wazuliski's data reflects that if you are Hispanic in Santa Barbara County today, you are three times as likely to be incarcerated in our jail than if you're white. If you are African American, you are at least five times as likely to be locked up in our jail than if you are white and if you're African American, you happen to be twice as likely to be locked up in our county jail than if Until we remediate these alarming disparities in the way incarceration is doled out right here in Santa Barbara County, we should freeze all spending projects to increase the size of our jails.

The two myths supporting the claim that we need more rated capacity are that the Murray v. DRC stipulated judgment requires the county to restore the main jail's original rated capacity. That's just not true. The other myth is that the Board of State and Community Corrections funds made available to build a North Branch Jail obligated the county to maintain at least 1000 County system wide jail beds. That's also not true.

Even with option two that's being proposed, you're being asked to spend $25 million and who knows how much more To design a roof HVAC and security for the entire main jail complex footprint under consideration We urge most strenuously to take pause, to consider the wisdom of paying an architectural firm significant taxpayer funds before we know what the footprint of the facility will be. Which is of course a question of what the board deems the total rated capacity, the main jail should be going forward. You're being asked to approve this major expenditure before all relevant data on the rated capacity facility has been submitted much less examined in a transparent process with sufficient opportunity for public comment PB, David Ensign — Herndon, he may be on mute.

PB, David Ensign — Herndon We suggest that the board wait for the CEO's study by the firm that it retained to do the population projection study before it acts today. Let's not put the cart before the horse, thank you.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:45:01

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:45:01

We will now go to Walcott Gibbs to be followed by Pam Flint-Pambo.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:45:17

Good morning. Morning,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:45:19

can you hear? This is Lynn Gibbs from NAMI Santa Barbara County. My husband is Walcott. NAMi Santa Barbara County joins the county CEO's office in supporting option two as the most reasonable alternative for the jail remodel but our focus is on diverting persons with mental illness to community-based treatment and treatment beds outside the jail For several years, Behavioral Wellness has taken an annual jail snapshot showing that on each given day measured 56 to 60% of inmates in the jail had at one time been behavioral wellness clients. Whereas only 5% were being served when arrested at the time of the 2020 snapshot. That's a considerable gap in treatment.

We've made impressive progress in diverting persons on misdemeanors from arrest We in NAMI now advocate placing a commensurate focus on the divert to what question. What level of treatment is needed to successfully support recovery once someone with mental illness leaves the jail, to keep them from returning and thus reducing the jail population? We support a forensic component of assisted outpatient treatment that would enhance our AOT program with well path and judges making referrals of those for whom a civil court program is more appropriate than criminalization.

We can think of this as a critical element, optimizing the treatment courts in LA County it's successful AOT program actually began with a forensic pilot that reduced reincarcerations by 78% for persons in the program. Imagine if we could achieve that and I should mention, we have a wonderful new AOT manager at Behavioral Wellness whose name is Chris Lee. Yesterday he spoke to our NAMI Public Policy Committee and we're really fortunate that this is exactly the type of in-depth experience that he has in LA County, and we believe that he could bring it to our county with significant success.

So this said not everyone in the jail on felony charges especially those with the most serious mental illness who are incompetent to stand trial you heard from one of the mothers are ready for outpatient treatment approximately 1700 of them are currently languishing in California jails including ours awaiting placement in the overwhelmed state hospital system.

The California Supreme Court recently affirmed that IST dependents must be diverted from jails to treatment within 28 days, and this isn't happening. This crisis of jail boarding is hitting the county's heart and it's about to hit harder. As a consequence, California has appointed a statewide IST solutions work group. And part of that solution is $250 million by the Department of State Hospitals. Thank

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:48:35

you, Ms. Gibbs.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:48:36

Allocated to such facilities.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:48:38

So we believe... That is your time.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:48:42

We will now go to Pam Flint-Tambeau to be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:48:45

followed by Lena Mallett.

PresenterPam Flint-TamboLeague of Women Voters of Santa Barbara and we're this South County League in heProposedself-stated2:48:54

Hello. Good morning and thank you for the opportunity to speak with you. I'm Pam Flint-Tambo, and I represent the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara and we're this South County League in here. We appreciate the opportunity to comment regarding the plans to remodel the South County Jail and to set key criminal justice goals and priorities. In recent months, we have had the opportunity to meet with the Public Safety Department heads and staff members as well as with CEO Monom Miyasato and General Services Director Jeanette Pell and other key staff such as retired Judge Cheryl Ellsworth.

We urge you to adopt the county CEOs and staff recommendation for option two in the main jail rehabilitation project Option two allows consideration of key innovations in design, such as open floor plans, better access to exercise and direct supervision by correction staff. These changes can lead to improved living and working conditions, improve the health and longevity of corrections staff, reduce jail violence, and most importantly, reduce recidivism.

We appreciate the ongoing collaborative effort by our public safety department folks to improve the criminal justice system in our county, particularly the intake assessment. An intake assessment is critical in determining those who need to be held in jail upon arrest and those who do not. We encourage our public safety leaders to continue to coordinate and collaborate to strengthen the intake assessment process A holistic perspective before arraignment will reduce the jail population by only incarcerating those who really need to be there.

So thank you for your ongoing earnest efforts to improve the criminal justice system in our county.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:51:00

Thank you.

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:51:04

And it appears Lena Mala is no longer with us, so we will go to Suzanne Warden to be followed by

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:51:11

Gail Ashareko.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:51:18

Oh, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes, I'm the director of Families Act and we're a nonprofit that was started in Santa Barbara 15 years ago by a number of mothers who lost their adult Children with mental health conditions. And our main interest from day number one, based on the incredible suffering we all went through and the losses that we incurred was that people with mental health conditions and behavioral health conditions be treated in an effective and compassionate way not necessarily in a jail setting. In many, many instances, we've had the occasion To see that people who had an argument about a pack of cigarettes in front of the jail or misunderstood the intention of a singer and a local restaurant, because they had a mental health condition ended up sitting in our jail for months and years at a time.

When there was no real harm done. I mean, it could have been but there wasn't so we got involved in this whole discussion long ago and we were opposed to the star complex because the star facility was a suggestion that was not a bad one. It had merit but our trust in the sheriff's department's capacity to treat inmates with compassion and respect and provide the kind of treatment that was needed had been violated frankly And so, our position has been all along people with mental health conditions need to be treated outside of a jail facility. There is a place once in a while for short period of time for this kind of detention and therefore our main concern in this discussion is that there'd be enough funding available For our county to continue to increase the options for treatment and some of it will need to be in secure facilities for a time.

Effective and compassionate mental health treatment and behavioral health treatment outside of a jail so today's discussion was confusing it's not clear which solution is the best I kind of agree with Supervisor Williams that It might be best to look at the analysis of what we actually need and where we're going before we spend any money make any changes, although officially we had supported option two.

But I trust that you as a group will make the best decisions, knowing that you know we have a huge problem in this county as we have all across the entire country. Of people who are dysregulated mentally and whose behavior is really affecting all of us. It's the responsibility of every single resident of Santa Barbara County to turn this picture around, and the solutions are not easy but we can do it. I know that we can do it.

Thank you so very much for your consideration today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:54:24

We will now go to Gail Oshorenko, to be followed by Maureen Earls who is our final speaker.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:54:30

Gail?

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction2:54:40

Can you hear me

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:54:41

now?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:54:43

Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:54:43

we can

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:54:43

please proceed.

PresenterJudge EllsworthProposed · by introduction2:54:45

You're Nelson and supervisors, thank you for holding this hearing today. Thank you to all the people who have spoken and the many who are legal women voters and clue have spoken with To get us to this point we really appreciate what you're doing I'm not here to speak on behalf of the league, but in my personal capacity after listening to what all the good information this morning.

And I guess my message is we can do this. We can reduce the number of people in the jail if we give the full backing to Judge Ellsworth and I just want to say thank you to the Supervisory Board of Supervisors, the probation department and and the public defender and the district attorney to keep on working on what they're working with. If we listen and follow all the advice of the people speaking about the needs of mental health today.

To find a path and another alternative. So let me suggest option five, which is the latter half of option two Let's get that assessment done. That's really look hard at what What's the real population number we need to serve? Let's work on getting those populations down. Let's get things rolling so we move into the new North Branch Jail and see how it works, and let's hold off on spending a lot of money to rehab something that is going to cost us a lot in the long run and isn't going to leave us with a humane jail. We just We need to make a really radical decision here. So see if you can sort of separate the latter half of option two and focus on that before you spend a lot of other money, and thank you all for the great effort you're making to solve these issues.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:56:56

Thank you.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction2:56:58

We will now go to our final speaker, Maureen Earls. And Maureen you are on the phone so you may need to press star six to unmute yourself.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:57:13

This is can you hear me?

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:57:15

We can.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:16

Yes we can please proceed. Thank you. The CLU criminal justice work group joins the League of Women Voters And supporting the board approval of CEO Mona Miyasato's option two for the main jail rehabilitation project. First of all, we want to thank the board for the important decision to direct the county to hire an expert jail population projection analyst to help us plan for the future size of the South County Jail based on the best available data.

Secondly, the option to reflect community commitment to community input in the future. We want to thank CEO Mona Miyasato for recognizing this value and recently arranging a productive meeting with CLU and League of Women Voters and her staff involved in the deal project. We asked the supervisors to approve the CEO assessment team request So that we have time to consider together our research on alternative housing models that could reduce the overall cost of the jail remodel including pre-release supportive housing.

And finally, the option two recognizes the important need for an updated humane jail structure And assessing how we might remodel the housing for direct supervision with rooms not cells and in-person supervision, replacing remote monitors. This structure as a new North County Jail recognizes the right of every person to a humane environment results in healing and reduced returns to jail and therefore Thank you. And that concludes public

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role2:59:42

I just want

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:59:44

to thank the public commenters today, CLU, Santa Barbara Defenders, NAMI Families Act and League of Women Voters have really done their homework on this issue. And I've contributed a lot to the dialogue. I support option two primarily because it is an incremental step we're not I would like to take a couple of minutes. I just want to frame this issue in the way that I see it because I hope it's helpful.

We had our first racial equity hearing at the board on criminal justice system back in June of 2020, almost a year and a half ago. And since that first hearing we've taken a very thoughtful and considered steps that have begun to reform our criminal justice system with the primary goal to improve public safety for all Santa Barbara County residents. We've developed a new understanding of what is possible as innovative services have come online and our jail population has been significantly reduced throughout the pandemic.

While we've made significant progress, we also have a lot of work ahead as we continue to identify policy changes that will prevent harm, support victims and survivors of crime, and advance public safety in an equitable manner that saves taxpayers money now and in the future. In 2019 Crime Survivors for Safety and Justice, a coalition of thousands of crime victims and survivors throughout California in the nation released a report titled California Crime Survivor Speak.

This research effort sought to identify the perspectives and priorities of victims and survivors of crime in California. And the study found some very interesting things. Only 14% of crime victims currently feel very supported by the criminal justice system after they experienced a crime. By nearly five to one margin, victims say that prison either makes it more likely someone will commit crimes or has no public safety impact at all.

And more than eight out of 10 victims want people with mental illness placed in mental health courts, mental health treatment and other alternatives to traditional criminal courts and jails. I open with these findings because it's important for us to put the needs of victims and survivors at the forefront of our criminal justice reform efforts. We need to prioritize their needs by investing in evidence-based programs that prevent future harm and help communities recover in the aftermath of harm. We have an opportunity to do this by investing in supportive community based programs and not returning to the pre pandemic system that heavily relied on incarceration.

In 2020 we had an average daily population at Santa Barbara County Jail of 905 inmates. As of September 2021, we have an average daily population of 611. That's gone up with the most recent information we have to about 635 today. This reduction is mostly due to the extension to the zero bail regulations adopted by the courts to prevent the spread of COVID-19 in the jail. Going forward however there are numerous other state policies legal decisions and local programs that will keep our jail population from rising to pre pandemic levels.

The California Supreme Court's Humphrey decision asserts that denying someone their freedom because of their inability to pay bail is unconstitutional and the courts must examine all non-monetary release options before requiring bail for most crimes. If a court determines that money bail is required, it must be set at the level that is affordable for the individual. If a court determines that public safety or the person's appearance in court cannot be reasonably guaranteed then bail can be denied. This decision means that many people who were previously in custody for low-level offenses due to their inability to pay will no longer have a financial barrier keeping them in custody.

Additionally, Governor Newsom signed multiple laws this year aimed at reducing incarceration including SB 73 which eliminates mandatory minimum jail and prison sentences for nonviolent drug offenses. AB 1228 which reduces the incarceration of people for technical violations to probation and SB 317 which increases alternatives to incarceration and adjusted involvement for people with mental illness.

There are many initiatives underway locally to provide people with support and accountability in the community. This includes the Probation Department's expanded pretrial supervision program, the Public Defender and Department of Behavioral Wellness' Credo 47 Center and Diversion Program, and the Sheriff and Department of Behavior Wellness' award-winning co-response program. All these services are making a difference by keeping our communities safe and providing many people with non-carceral interventions.

In these tough economic times, we must focus on solutions that work. We can't simply afford to do otherwise in 2018 it was reported in Santa Barbara County incarceration costs $42,000 annually per prisoner, not including the added expenses of trial preparation. or medical attention to house an inmate at the jail. The fully loaded costs are closer to $60,000 per year.

We need better interventions that show better results and save taxpayers money because the cost of operating the county's criminal justice departments constitute nearly 25% of the county's operating budget. These costs are the elephant in the room. Can we take care of everyone in a community-based setting? No. Incarceration remains the only option for many people who have committed very serious offenses that have caused harm to members of our community. We must figure out how we can better provide these individuals with the services that are needed in jail, to help turn their lives around and prevent future harm. However, we can provide care support supervision and accountability for many people in a non custody setting especially the people who've remained in the community over the past year.

There have been many statements over the past year about how violent crime is rising and about how we need to maintain 1,000 plus jail beds to preserve capacity for a serious crime wave. This notion should be challenged throughout the pandemic. The jail has continued to house people who have committed violent offenses and the jail population has hovered at or below approximately 600 inmates.

There is no shortage of jail beds for people who have committed serious offenses that threaten the safety of our community. What really is being argued is that we need to maintain capacity so that we can return to incarcerating people for nonviolent offenses that stem from trauma, poverty, addiction and mental illness. In summary I'm continuing to advocate for maintaining a low jail population because it is what many crime victims and survivors are asking for. It is key to reducing recidivism and increasing community well-being. It's the direction that the state and other counties are going because it saves taxpayers money And most importantly, it's the right thing to do at this moment in history.

I'll stop there and be interested to hear what my colleagues have to say.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:06:52

Thank you, Supervisor Hart. Supervisor Levinino? Well thank you and I just want to thank Supervisor Hart for taking a strong lead on this. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board. What's happening on the street, what's happening in the real world. I mean, the theory that we're all working from is that diverting folks and those types of things is and it could be a sea change the way different societies are dealing with crime.

And I guess the proof is in the pudding. We'll see how this all plays out. Sit around and hope that crime goes up to prove a point. Obviously I want to see this thing succeed as much as anybody else does, and I think we're all moving in the right direction. And I appreciate the way that this boards. You know, all coming together behind this issue. And I think it was really important also to point out that those folks that have been speaking have been here for years trying to get us to go down this road and finally they're feeling that they're being heard so again thank you for your leadership on this and I'll be slowly moving in that direction that I think the initial decisions that we made to continually look at diverting low level offenders is great And I just hope we continue to balance this as we move forward.

But I'm in support of how we're handling this and I think hearing from the community, their support for option two is strong as well.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:08:50

All right, thank you Supervisor Leveneau. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:08:53

Well, I also want to thank Supervisor Hart and the community and our CEO Miyasato and the people who've met with the community members to help us sift through this. I do have a question. I'd like to put my faith in a jail population study but I wonder what it is? How does it look to average number of people incarcerated? A lot of it is going to depend on the various kinds Thank you. Thank you.

If it'll look at those things, because ultimately for me it comes down to do I want to invest in the main jail or do I want to invest in these programs? And I'd rather invest in those programs but but I need to be assured that that might really get us somewhere and that we're not going to be stuck with inadequate facilities. So I'm not sure who might know. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:10:07

That's a good question. And thank you, Supervisor Hartman what the consultant will do is looking at one look getting using our own data looking at projections but the kinds of things that the model will look at is it can answer questions such as how many fewer jail beds would the county need if promotion like probation revocation to reduce by 25%? How many fewer beds would So it's talking about here's your baseline projection given how things are today. And if you do these other interventions, this is what the model saying you could do further. And so it's that type of it's not just simply a projection, it's looking at what else could the county do according to this model with impact beyond beds?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:10:58

And the people who are doing this study, will they be in close discussions with the various people in our departments who are trying to put these

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:11:06

interventions in

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:11:06

place?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:11:07

Yes absolutely. They will be reliant on the sheriff and his data as well as a probation department and of their justice partners.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:11:15

Okay well then I'm very supportive of option two.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:11:18

Great thank you Supervisor Hartman. Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:11:23

Well, I very much appreciate the thought and the deliberation both from the public and from my colleagues on the board. I definitely think of the four options that are outlined. The least bad is option two but I'm not prepared to support it because I think it continues us moving along a path of incarcerating A thousand people and I don't think that that's the need of the county in the long run.

And I think it sort of even transcends my policy view, you know, I tried to think about this whether Whether I was a tougher on crime or, or more criminal justice reform person on the spectrum. If I was different what I would my view about the main jail change and. And I think it wouldn't, I think it's a bad investment no matter what our ideological or policy goal is. I think it's a money pit and the sooner that we retire wings of the main jail that cost more than other wings of the main jail.

And even if that reduces our number of rated beds, the better And, you know, use some funds to increase wings of direct supervision. I particularly think that the amount of money and figures we bantered about pales in comparison to the potential ticking time bomb of additional overtime costs because of Requirement to every day, six days a week take a prisoner out for three hours a day.

Main jail that is going to be a large large cost in a direct supervision unit it would be no cost and this is gonna be a problem um and I feel like uh I suppose option to at least has one more possible off ramp before we go there. And I appreciate staff for sort of framing that in that manner. I'm not going to criticize it heavily. I am just simply going to say, I worry about where this is headed and want to, um, I guess be the storm pro for the day and say let's, um Let's have our eyes wide open.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:14:23

Thank you. Supervisor Williams and supervisor Hartman. And I have a few comments myself.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:14:26

So mine is just a quick question. Can

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:14:36

Supervisor Harpin to the chair. So this shorter answer is, I think that is something we're going to challenge the design firm to look at. Is there a way even in the linear design that we currently have in the main jail? Is there a way to accomplish that? It's difficult obviously with the current configuration of those housing areas But I don't know that it's impossible. You know, I've had preliminary conversations with general service with respect to how do we challenge that? How do we challenge the design firm to look at what is the realm of possible?

And so that's something that we're gonna be looking at. Obviously, we're going to be doing the design effort in parallel with the GLMA projection, marry that information before... The design process is longer than The jail projection study so we'll have the benefit of the results of that study to be able to bring back your board before we move forward.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:15:39

One other quick question I if we do the rehab of the main jail. With electrical and HVAC and roof. If we get it to that point, is it good money after bad? Or would we rehab it enough where it's okay? Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:16:06

Harper through the chair, let me see if I can take that question in two tacks. One is a bulk of the project as currently contemplating will address deficiencies in, in the main jail that are driving maintenance cost. So it is fully realistic to expect that the cost per square foot to maintain their portions of the main jail that benefit from the project should see some reduction To what extent, I don't know. I can't sit here today and tell you what that number is but we know that the elevated cost per square foot of maintaining it is a direct result of A, deferred maintenance over the last decade plus and the shape in which again and we know what the trajectory is on increasing maintenance costs so doing nothing will cost us more as well. So I do think from one side of your question I think we should see some reduction in maintenance costs by doing the project.

Are there retainer investments? Can I say that as a 10-year payback? No, I can't. I don't want to tell you that because I don't believe that's the case. I would say that. I think the second piece is that, as I mentioned and it's kind of more fully discussed in your board report One of the challenges also for the design firm is to look at, as you marry the results of the projection study and you marry the information that Sheriff provided us in June with respect to kind of the different housing areas within the existing footprint.

We do not want to put money into areas that are not needed. And so we won't be investing money in those areas. So that means we're only going to be investing money on areas that will continue to be needed into the future. So I hope that kind of addressed your question.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:18:07

All right, thank

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:18:09

you Mr. Hartman. But this is $6.08 per square foot maintenance cost and as we discussed there's parts of the main deal that costs less than that so that means there's wings of a million deal that costs more than Isn't this comparable or even more of a cost per square foot than some of the buildings that UN General Services are going to suggest to us at the county campus that we knock down and replace?

So hasn't this already gone to the point where normally, let's just say that we were just looking about this in terms of what would be the ideal situation. Normally you would knock a building like this down and replace it just because of how large the cost.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed3:19:02

Supervisor Williams, I think that's one piece of the equation, right? When we're looking at the Cal Real Master Plan, for instance. And we're looking at the cost of maintenance for some of those facilities. We know what the cost is, the benchmark of what it should cost if that same facility was well maintained. That's the delta we're looking at. So here obviously at the 608 versus 360 for a detention facility, 608 being our current cost of maintenance, 360 being kind of benchmark, you know is $2 and 48 cents basically per square foot.

So I think we're gonna be looking at, even on the Cal Real campus. Where's your biggest bang for your buck? So from a maintenance savings where we see buildings that are $2 and 48 cents then that's equal footing on the jail. But that's again only one component of the decision to replace an aging facility. Excuse me. The other one is what we've spent a great deal of time talking about today, which is the functionality of that facility.

So I mean, I think the decision to replace an old facilities really complex and I think maintenance cost is one component. Functionality is another component. Staff safety as component compliance with codes and regulations components. I mean, I think there's it's a complex kind of conversation but you're right to rise in Williams that the Delta In

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:20:41

my point is that the whole underpinning of their kind of a master plan. Logic is that it be cheaper to borrow money and not buildings down then to pay this level of maintenance cost and I believe that logic follows along here but Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.833:21:05

Because of the Brown Act, I don't know what you're really seeking supervisor Williams. Could could you explain?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:21:12

You know, I am and am seeking us renegotiating that yeah this is then I repeated this it's building two or three new wings of direct supervision and The point of the DRC stipulated agreement that's difficult here is the idea that all beds would be rated. And that's the difficulty of replacing a whole lot of bad beds with a smaller number of fairly good beds.

And my point is it would be better for us to have more direct supervision beds, even if it meant dramatically fewer rated beds At the main jail, and to segment some that could be used for overflow in limited conditions. And that would require a renegotiation with PRC. But I understand where you guys are going today, I did, and I'm glad there's one more offering.

Yeah, there is another way to do this.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:22:41

All right. Thank you supervisor Williams and I'm not going to try to have a couple questions just because I haven't asked any yet. But I'm gonna try to make it quick. You know, I'm struggling with this bad number as well you know because I don't want anybody in jail that doesn't need to be there if there's another option diversion program. I'm a firm believer in those, but we've got to find that spot of people that potentially are out victimizing somebody that maybe should have been in jail under a certain different standard if there was one. And I don't know if there's a way with these dashboards...

Are we able to see crime That takes place or something that's arrested that was in a diversion program. Is that something that would be a byproduct on this? Because I think that's real what we need to find out because if that's, you know, what is that success rate there and what does that look like? And if that person was diverted from being the jail but then ended up committing a crime, you know, that's kind of the impact that we're weighing and um, I don't know. Is that something we're going to eventually get from some of this data as we look at it or can somebody help me with

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed3:23:50

Chair Nelson, I think you're asking then you want to look at for those for new arrests. You're really looking at recidivism and so we can talk to probation. We can talk to the sheriff what kind of data we can get. It's taken us this long just to get where we are. So I'm hesitant to add on more elements but we can talk about our next meeting.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role3:24:10

That's what builds upon the need for those additional bits. What Sue Reiserhart said That we have all the beds we need for violent crime. Okay, well check okay but then there's that I think there's a little bit buffer there where this additional bed space that's needed that the tweeners there that might be more likely to recommit that in interest of not only victims but public safety in general that they maybe they should still be incarcerated for a period The other issue, and sometime is there is a disincentive factor of knowing that you know if I commit this crime I may be incarcerated for some small period of time or appear to time. Or so I don't know exactly how that works in the criminal genetic. Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board.

In general, I'm cautiously optimistic. I want to understand a little bit more about the jail's capacity to help our whole criminal justice system as a tool, not as the solution but as a tool. I know in Santa Maria and in Lompoc we have violent crime has really been on the rise throughout through the pandemic. And so I think there's some type of maybe this is A trend that existed pre-pandemic and something that needs to be addressed. I don't know how the jail plays into that at all, zero bail plays into that at all. Hopefully with these numbers we can dial into that and see if that's the factor because I mean you know we're in Lompoc. I mean a lot of shootings that are happening there is startling and they're in the way that our law enforcement resources are taxed there.

I mean it's way more than just a mental health issue I'm concerned about some of the behaviors that are terrorizing some of our communities in our county. And I'm concerned about that and I want to make sure we have the tools to address those problems moving forward. So, that's where I come from as we move forward with this. I also am supportive of option two All in favor signify by saying aye. Any opposed? Motion passes 4-1. Supervisor Williams is dissenting.

I believe we have no closed session today. So we will be back. My colleagues just need a half hour or 45 minutes 30s all right okay let's try to be back here at one o'clock for item permanent item number three thank you. Okay, welcome back to the November 9th meeting of the Board of Supervisors. Next item up is the departmental item number three. Madam Clerk will you please read that item into the record?

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction4:00:31

Chair Nelson and members of the board departmental item number three is from planning and development. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the safety element update climate change vulnerability assessment CCBA.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction4:00:47

Ms. Plowman

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:00:49

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair members of the board today as Miss Alexander indicated we have the first phase of the safety element that is before the board back in 2015 the state adopted Senate bill 3 7 9 which directed us to amend our comprehensive plan and update the safety element to do one. First a vulnerability assessment that identifies the risks that climate change poses to the county And two, to develop some adaptation strategies to address those risks. Today I have the consultant team and the staff team that is present and they're going to be making a presentation to you of the findings of this vulnerability assessment.

I'd like to introduce the people that are available to you today We have Dan Clemon, who is the Deputy Director of Long Range Planning. We have David Lackey our Supervising Planner. Whitney Wilkinson who is the Project Manager and then from PlaceWorks who's our consultant that helped us develop this vulnerability assessment we have Tammy Seal, Ellie Crispy and Jacqueline Protzman.

So with that I'd like to turn it over to Mr. Clemon, and then I think he will be turning over to Miss Wilkinson for the presentation.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction4:02:17

Yes actually at this point I'll turn it right over Ms. Wilkinson she's very well adept and equipped to take over thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:02:25

thanks Dan

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:02:29

All right, good afternoon Chair Nelson and members of the board. As Lisa and Dan just mentioned my name is Whitney Wilkinson and I'll be presenting to you today a briefing on the safety element update and climate change vulnerability assessment. And I also just wanted to acknowledge again our consultant team from Placeworks is here virtually to help us with any questions you may have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:02:55

Next slide. Next slide,

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:03:04

please. There we go. So this is an overview of what I'll present. It includes what the Climate Change Vulnerability Assessment or CCVA as I'll be referring to it today, what it is and why we completed one, the purpose of today's hearing, our approach to completing a CCVA, as well as our public engagement We'll then get into some of the details on the methods, results and key findings. And the next steps for the safety element update.

Next slide please So let's get started. The CCDA analyzes how climate related hazards may harm the unincorporated community, including community members and assets. We've analyzed the severity of the impacts of climate related hazards along with the ability to prepare for respond to and recover from climate related hazards Based on these factors, the CCDA helps identify the populations and assets most at risk of climate related hazards.

The CCDA is not a greenhouse gas inventory or Climate Action Plan and it's not a policy document that you'll be formally adopting. It's an informational document for study. Next slide please. So why undertake this project? Well, state regulations now require the county to update its safety element with information on climate vulnerabilities and adaptation strategies.

And the CCBA will help meet these state requirements. It's also important for the community to understand what potential harm climate change may bring. So at a basic level, the vulnerability assessment seeks to identify climate projections and hazards relevant to Santa Barbara County. And what assets and populations are most vulnerable to these hazards. Next slide.

The CCDA is also the first step in the safety element update. It provides the data results and findings that will be used in the next phases of the project, which will involve developing adaptation strategies and updates to the safety elements goals policies and implementation measures as required by state law. So the purpose of today's hearing is to receive comments on the findings of the CCDA before moving into the next phase.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:05:32

Next slide. So

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:05:36

at its core, the vulnerability assessment involves multiple steps identifying the current and future hazards associated with climate change. Identifying and mapping frontline communities, defined as those who experienced the impacts of climate change earlier or to a disproportionately severe degree than others. Identifying and mapping community assets of concern.

And finally assessing the vulnerability of these assets in frontline populations by assigning them a vulnerability score.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:06:10

Next slide.

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:06:13

The CCBA was developed consistent with the state's guidance framework called the Adaptation Planning Guide, developed by Cal OES which guided our work on the vulnerability assessment and will guide us in the next phase of the project when we do adaptation planning. Our team also used many data sources to compile information on climate change projections hazards and impacts This included California's fourth climate assessment and the state Ocean Protection Council sea level rise guidance to name a couple that provide the best available science on climate projections and impacts.

To clarify, this project did not involve preparing any new climate modeling but use of projections available for our county from these state resources. Our team also made use of peer-reviewed scientific research and other local climate studies and vulnerability assessments developed by various agencies and academic researchers. We also gathered information from county staff, community stakeholders in the public during our outreach process that ensured our information was accurate and locally relevant.

Next slide. To further elaborate on our outreach and engagement process, we held two virtual community workshops which some board members attended. We also convened a group of county departmental staff called the core team to advise on key topics and review work products. We held nine topically focused meetings that allowed us to understand the adaptive capacity of the community We met with the Equity Advisory and Outreach Committee who advised us on frontline population and social vulnerability issues.

We met with a number of stakeholders in one-on-one meetings, presented to the Agriculture Advisory Committee, and hosted a map on our project website that allowed community members to learn more about the project and to comment. Next slide. So after reviewing many data sources, the project team identified these climate change hazards which are created or exacerbated by climate change.

I'm going to highlight a few of the most critical ones here but all hazards are fully described in the CCBA report and the board letter on page five and attachment two to the board letter which is the project's Climate Stressors Memo. So the first one is extreme heat, which occurs when temperatures rise above a certain threshold. And this threshold actually varies across the county based on the area's typical temperature range.

For instance, this threshold is about 87 degrees along the South Coast but it's 101 degrees in the Cuyama Valley. Both the number of extreme heat events and their duration are expected to increase with climate change. Inland flooding is expected to increase as well. This is because precipitation is expected to fall on fewer days in a year and fewer larger storms, resulting in an elevated flooding risk.

In fact large storms produced by atmospheric rivers and the severe flooding that can result are expected to increase with climate change in California. Debris flow and other landslide events are anticipated to increase as more precipitation falls during storm events. And hillsides more frequently have burned scars. Severe weather, which we've defined as including intense winds, lightning, hail, frost and related events.

These events are anticipated to increase in number on average every year. Wildfire Measured in the number of acres burned annually is also projected to increase with climate change. Next slide please. This line shows you the categories of assets and populations that were assessed in the CCDA. They include frontline populations, which I'll go into in more detail in a moment and infrastructure, buildings and facilities, economic drivers, ecosystems and natural resources and key community services.

Next slide. Frontline populations, again are groups that experience impacts of climate change earlier and to a more severe degree often due to socioeconomic or environmental pressures. As a shorthand they experience climate change first and worse. A total of 22 frontline populations are evaluated in the CCDA Here you see the groups they fall into, along with some examples.

These include people with high outdoor exposure such as children, outdoor workers and the unhoused. People with limited mobility or chronic health issues such as seniors living alone and people with disabilities. And also there are populations living in remote areas or locations with limited roadway access. Populations in isolated and rural communities or on single-access roads.

Next slide. The slide shows how the vulnerability score was completed, so each asset and population is provided a score with respect to each applicable climate change hazard. For example that means agriculture would be evaluated differently for drought than for wildfire and for all the other applicable hazards. For each score there are two components, an impact score and an adaptive capacity score. The impact score looks at the severity of a hazard impact and the adaptive capacity score takes into account the ability of the asset or population to prepare respond and recover with existing programs funding and resources from impacts.

Those with high impact and low adaptive capacity will have higher vulnerability scores, as you can see in that table in the upper right-hand corner. And those with low impact and high adaptive capacity will have lower vulnerability scores. The key findings of the report focus on the V4 and V5 scores, those that are highly or severely vulnerable. Next slide.

Some of the analysis for the vulnerability assessment is done at the countywide scale, while others are done at the sub regional level. The three sub regions that you can see there in the figure our North County, the South Coast and the Cuyama Valley and largely excluded federal lands in the cities. The CCBA scoring accounted for cascading or compounding effects, recognizing that one climate hazard can lead to another. For instance drought can create conditions for wildfire.

The scoring also accounted for non-climate stressors, which are essentially pre existing conditions that can exacerbate climate impacts. For example, financial instability language or communication barriers or poor housing quality are all non-climate stressors for frontline populations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:13:56

Next slide. This

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:14:00

table is a high level look at our CCBA results for each asset category we discussed. The second column tells you how many specific assets or populations, we assessed in each category and the third column includes the most vulnerable assets based on the number of accumulated high and severe vulnerability scores. The most vulnerable populations are those that have limited mobility, limited resources, existing social or economic disparities and those who are directly endangered by hazards.

The most vulnerable infrastructure is transportation water and wastewater infrastructure. The most vulnerable buildings and facilities are residential and historic buildings The most vulnerable economic drivers we found are agriculture, agritourism and coastal and marine recreation and tourism. The most vulnerable ecosystems are freshwater aquatic ecosystems as well as sloughs and marshes.

And finally water wastewater public transit and electricity delivery service or the most vulnerable key services. Next slide please. So this chart shows you the count of populations and assets that were assessed a high or severe vulnerability score broken out by hazard. Essentially, it shows you which hazards contribute the most to critical vulnerabilities.

I think it's no surprise that wildfire is one of the top three. And landslide and debris flows and inland flooding round out the top three based off of accumulated B4 and B5 scores. Our assessment also found that 106 of 138, or about three quarters of assets and populations in the county are highly or severely vulnerable to climate change with respect to at least one hazard.

However it's worth noting that even though fewer populations and assets are highly or severely vulnerable to hazards like sea level rise or drought these hazards can still create significant harm I'm now going to highlight some key findings from the report, and these are just a few key points. Many more can be found in the report which is attachment one to the board letter next slide please.

So based on our findings, we can anticipate an average of a 36% increase in burn area in our county by the year 2100 when compared to today. This finding can be especially risky for wildfire prone communities with single access roads with one way in or one way out areas such as Hollister Ranch, Mission Hills and the Santa Rita Hills. In response, the county and its key partners can continue and expand programs that implement and secure funding for defensible space around homes and structures.

Implement and maintain vegetation management projects like shaded fuel breaks, and make sure evacuation routes are adequate and safe and transportation services are provided during emergencies for those who need them. It's also important to note more frequent climate impacts and disasters will increase the need for emergency management services, not just for wildfire but for other hazards as well.

Next slide. This leads me to my next point, our key finding on the effects of extreme heat on frontline populations. These populations are dealing with existing conditions that make adapting to climate hazards more difficult Impacts from a climate disaster can affect everyone, but these groups have fewer resources and less ability to overcome them. Many frontline populations have a low adaptive capacity when it comes to extreme heat for a variety of reasons.

In our interviews and discussions, we found that there are some existing programs and resources to help these groups. But there are still barriers and gaps one example is the lack of comprehensive planning and resources for extreme heat events.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:18:31

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CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:18:35

The CCDA found that many transportation assets are highly vulnerable to climate change. These include major roads, single-access roads and bridges that can be washed out in floods. These flood events can have wide reaching consequences as I'm sure many of us know for infrastructure and services that often have no alternatives and multiple uses Such as bus routes, evacuation routes, regional economic corridors and use by emergency response services.

These vulnerabilities can also be challenging to address because much of the infrastructure is owned and managed by other local or state and federal agencies. For these reasons, the report recommends that the county work with these agencies to ensure infrastructure and transportation services are fortified or upgraded as needed. And before I get into the project's next steps, I wanted to address a couple changes we made to the report in response to the public comment letters we received and carefully considered. I don't know if the clerk can bring up the CCBA report I believe it's page 132 of the report and 158 of the PDF. So we're almost there. Is that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:20:31

Almost there, page 132 of the report.

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:20:39

So the part of the report I'm getting us to there is the results table for economic drivers. And I just wanted to note that we're going to, we made a couple changes but we're planning on making a couple additional changes after today's hearing to note some changes that That were recommended by folks who wrote letters. And in the table, we reference that agriculture and oil and gas industries resistance to change as a non climate stressor.

And in the case of agriculture in the adaptive capacity description. And you know, after considering that we thought it's best that we recognize that most industries will be reluctant or hesitant to change business practices. Especially if it will impact their operations in a way that they might not fully understand and no one really fully understands. So as a result the plan add these notes to each of the economic drivers, each of the industries listed in this table that there might be some hesitancy or reluctance to change as a result of moving forward with addressing climate change.

So I just wanted to note that and if we could turn it back to my presentation on the last slide there, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Next slide, please. Great thank you. So I want to bring it back to the purpose of today's hearing which is to seek comments on the CCDA's findings and this again is because the CCDA will provide the data and information needed in the next phase of the project that will involve developing and prioritizing adaptation strategies to address the vulnerabilities we've identified in the CCDA The adaptation plan will identify policies, projects and measures to address the most critical vulnerabilities and will inform updates to the safety element.

During adaptation planning we recommend focusing on those B4 and B5 scores, the high and severely vulnerable assets and populations in our county We foresee adaptation strategies being implemented through policies and in the work plans and budgets of various departments. And for this reason, and because climate impacts affect many county resources and services we plan to continue to involve and engage multiple county departments to do this work.

The scope of the CCDA is also really broad and inclusive, and that may mean more detailed analysis on vulnerability will be needed during the adaptation planning phase in some areas. We're also aware that adaptation measures will need funding in order to be implemented, and the adaptation plan will assist the county in pursuing and justifying the need for grant funding moving forward.

We anticipate completion of the draft adaptation plan in winter of 2022 and 2023. That concludes my presentation, and I'm happy to take any questions your board may have. Thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:24:31

Thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:24:33

Questions from the Board? Supervisor Labanino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:24:36

Thank you, Whitney. Question on that last when you were talking about just the change that you just recently made regarding resistant industries. You know and it sounded like that based on the feedback that you kind of got from the AG community that I thought you're going to say that you had taken the AG community out of the resisting category but instead we just kind of lumped if I'm getting it right so now or Explain to me how that went down, like now we're just lumping everybody in there? Or I didn't really understand what the change was.

CommentWhitney WilkinsonProposedself-stated4:25:12

Sure, Supervisor Lavagnino through the chair. I think we kind of thought about it a little harder this morning and we realized that businesses being a little hesitant or reluctant to change their business practices In anticipation of climate impacts is probably not exclusive to a particular industry and that all the business industries that we evaluated in the CCDA would probably experience that reluctance or hesitancy to change practices.

in anticipation of climate change effects. So we felt it wasn't perhaps fair to just single out agricultural oil and gas, but really it's something that would be a common theme in many business industries.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:26:16

Okay. I personally... And this is not... I guess it's not really a question, but when I first saw that I mean, just since I've been back so since 98 agriculture has has really embraced technology around here. I mean if you go out and I'm sure you're aware of this that you know you go out and you You see the actual practice of farming now compared to where it was 10, 15, 20 years ago.

And because a lot of this has to do with changing climate just the technology that's been brought in just regarding well everything I mean you look at how much water is dispersed when it's dispersed. Just the entire practice of farming has changed dramatically. And I was disappointed to see kind of a statement that it was hesitant to change when all it's done is adapt and innovate, re-innovate itself.

But so I don't understand if you're taking that statement completely out or we're just kinda lumping all industries and saying that they're all resistant to change? Because I'd prefer the first. I think just lumping everybody in saying everybody's resistant to change I think is problematic that, you know, I think if you show people especially in agriculture that.

You know, once they did change and they found yields improve things improve technology improved and the young guys coming in were convincing the older farmers that there's a better way to do it. I just think that whole statement, if there's a way to strike that entire area. I just think it's better for us to kind of go in as partners with everybody on this instead of kinda having this adversarial you guys are resistant to change type of thing. I think it's that old adage that you're gonna get more help with honey than you do with vinegar.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:28:22

Other questions from the board? Comments? Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.834:28:27

This is a question for Director Plowman. So what happens next and underlying that question is how much are we working with other community organizations that are doing a lot of work in this space, in this area?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:28:50

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Hartman so what is next is adaptation planning right so we've identified the vulnerabilities and the populations in the assets that are vulnerable and now will be developing adaptation strategies and so we The team has been working pretty broadly with different groups and has been reaching out to them. Not only just county departments, but other organizations and I'm happy to have Miss Wilkinson reference those, but so we will continue as we develop these adaptation strategies to work with the communities right?

Including you know businesses agriculture oil and gas what not will be working with them And then we will be developing policies through that adaptation planning process for the safety element. So the reason, I think you probably heard when we think we're going to have that adaptation plan developed and ready for review is at the end of next year, right? And that's because of all of the outreach that's going to be involved in that process as we develop those adaptation strategies.

Thank you and I'm sorry, Mr. Chair, Supervisor Levin, you know? You know, I think I've asked my team where the sentiment about resistance came from. And I think it's not 100% clear to me where that came from and the team is fine striking that. I think there was a general idea and I don't think I understand why AG made the comment that they did. And I think there might be in industry some hesitancy to change things If it's a practice that's working for them in the attempt to plan for adaptation of climate change, right? That's gonna be hard, right? If you're working and you're doing certain practices or procedures and you're gonna have to change them. That presents challenges for our business. I think that's what the concept was but I think it's okay to strike it.

Is overall, not just planning and development is eager to work with the different industries to make sure that they're ready for these climate changes that are going to be coming our way. That we can only predict right now. We don't know exactly how it's gonna play out but we need to have something in place to help our vulnerable populations or vulnerable assets as well as the industries that basically drive our economy.

In the community. So I think we recognize the comment and are happy to make the change.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:31:43

Well,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:31:44

I just appreciate that Miss Plowman and I think that helps a lot because I think that's what I've heard from you. And so I'm glad that that's a move that you're willing to make. I appreciate that.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:32:00

You know, and I'm going to piggyback on that a little bit because you know there was only two industries that were called out to be resistant to change rights agriculture and oil and gas. So I think as we as a county and community unite. I see on this On all these slides one climate one County one future And something I've been trying to do since my time on the board Is tell people to get involved. Don't throw rocks, you know get engaged, you know be part of the solution and so I think you know when that kind of when those industries are singled out it at least feeds into a perception out there that there's a bias. So I think we need to be very careful And our when we want to really engage with groups that have not traditionally been a part of this process.

I want to bring everybody at the table so we can have some shared understanding and I think that's where that challenge has come from, I think that it's quite a few things in the document that I still am trying to work through you know even some of the population Thank you. The term was that we were trying to get this locally relevant, this document. And there's I think in a lot of ways it missed that or at least a lot of parts of it I've seen isn't really locally relevant when we call out certain priority areas of focus but there's really no population there. That seems to me to be A swing and a miss, you know how those things not truth out.

You know things about pesticide use versus pesticide exposure those are two important concepts that I think planning in the future and these documents as we move forward with these things really need to have a better engagement at bringing some of these industries to the table so that planning can understand industry and industry can understand planning. So you guys can be speaking the same language moving forward, and I think we need to try to all of us check some of these old biases out the door and really try to work together on facing the challenges that we do as a county in the future, which I hope this is what the document's about, is facing these challenges. The key findings I see here Those things aren't new, right? I mean flood and wildfires.

That's been a history of our county from the beginning of time. And so I think we're all engaged on that and want to continue to work forward on that. I have a few other comments, but let my other colleagues make some comments as well. And then we'll go to public comment. Supervisor Hart?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed4:34:48

Well, I'm just encouraged by the dialogue and I think this is a critical part of the process. You expose this information to a wide range of stakeholders. You get different perspectives on it. Some of this is new information for people. It takes awhile to incorporate that and to understand the connections between these things. But that dialogue and that interaction builds Thank you, Mr. President.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:35:39

I appreciate the comments my colleagues and yes, Ag has a huge role particularly in carbon fixing. The potential is huge so I do think it's important to have more engagement on that for our prevention strategies not just this which is an adaptation strategy Thank you, Mr. Chair. For us, that's actually not the biggest impact by far. We have much more clearly documented increases in sundowner winds, increases in fire weather, extreme heat issues.

Other areas, I mean Florida, the Carolinas they have lower level We're going to have more of the coastal flooding issues than we do. But ours is gonna be extreme heat, inland flooding debris flow from rain and of course above all fires. So this shows that you can't just spend all your time on sea level rise as the only impact of climate change when it's clearly not

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:37:17

Thank you, Supervisor Williams. I think we have some public comment on this item. Madam Clerk?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction4:37:25

Chair Nelson and members of the board, we have one request to speak from Claire Weinman and she was just on Zoom but did bounce off. She's here. Is she here? Ah! Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:37:37

Yes, Claire Weinman.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction4:37:42

Welcome Claire and thank you for your comment.

PresenterClaire Wyman I'mGrower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo countiesProposedself-stated4:37:44

Thank you. Good afternoon, my name is Claire Wyman I'm the president of the Grower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties. In the assessment agriculture is recognized as one of the major economic drivers in the county and is scored as the most vulnerable to climate change. As such would like to highlight a few key points from our extensive written comments.

We understand the assessment is intended to be a foundational document. The draft before you today is not an accurate or functional foundation. The draft before you today must be revised if the county wants to effectively address climate change concerns, we ask that you direct staff to further revise the document in response to comments submitted during the public review period including those submitted by our association.

At an absolute minimum, there are two especially objectionable items that must be addressed. Supervisors Slavonino and Chair Nelson did a great job articulating our concerns with the phrase resistance to change directed towards agriculture and the value of partnerships to make forward progress. We appreciate the discussion that we heard here today. We encourage the board to direct continued course correction on this foundational approach towards valued industry partners and stakeholders.

The other exceptional error that I wanted to speak to, also as mentioned is the continued confusion and misuse of the phrases pesticide use and pesticide exposure. We would be happy to further clarify where those phrases are being used incorrectly and also encourage consultation with the County Ag Commissioner's Office in better understanding that. Finally, we urge the board to direct meaningful response to comments and to engage stakeholders as valued partners in proactive problem solving.

We further encourage the assessment to recognize the county's own contributions to vulnerability and undermining adaptability. We urge a fundamental shift in approach driven by greater receptiveness to feedback from diverse viewpoints including the private sector and the tremendous potential for advancement through respectful partnerships. We look forward to this course correction in a revised draft assessment and then future policy revisions. Thank you.

And

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction4:39:56

that was our final speaker on this item.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:39:59

All right, back to staff and then to the board. Ms. Plowman with anything else to add?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:40:07

Mister chair members of the board. I think, just to add that you know this is the beginning of a process for us to update our safety element and there's lots of work to do with the community and I know it's important that we engage all the stakeholders and we will make sure that we do that. And where we have misunderstandings we will get ourselves educated.

So, we appreciate the involvement of all the partners that have played a role in the development of this plan and we look forward to working with them in the future.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:40:40

Thank you. Other comments from the board? Supervisor Labadino?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.804:40:47

Well I think Director Plowman indicated that I really welcome those sentiments and a I don't know if that was in response to the question about pesticides, or if that's something you'll look at. So I'm assuming it was just wanted to get that on the record there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:41:04

That's correct.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:41:06

Thank you so direction from the board as part of what you know that's the other party item here and you know I think this is you've talked about foundational document. I'm glad it's received a file if it was adopted approved I don' And I think there's some conclusions. Personally, I don't necessarily agree with but I understand it's that's, I don't have all the votes on that, but I am okay with receiving and filing it. I would hopefully direction from the board would be to go back and as suggested work with industry and the Commissioner and others to further refine this document especially if it's a foundational document I think it's important to get that right.

I can see future discussions where people reference this document, you know, to argue policy points in the future if you know that the counties put this together so I think it's important for it to be as accurate as possible. As we move forward, the safety element. These are part of our comprehensive plan and as we move towards that I think a lot of us have been wanting to see our planning process get simpler not more complex and as we develop these policies my hope Is that these policies are broad enough and have enough suggestive value.

That we don't get so specific that we make it more difficult in our process. Our process is already very expensive, you already have to hire expensive consultants to get through it. I'm afraid if we keep adding additional I just want to put that on the record as part of the consideration.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.834:43:00

Well, I think this is a very very significant foundational document. What is the job really of government and local government? And it's public safety broadly conceived and it's anticipating dangers that are lurking out there and doing our best to prepare for them When we fail at that the consequences are enormous. So, I commend you and everyone who's been working on it because you know it's a big report it's a technical report but it really is foundational and it's very very significant.

I am interested in how, you know the next phase and involving the community. I for example on the Fire Safe Council Board know a lot about the work that's been done on the regional priority planning for fire by the Kachuma Conservation District. I mean there are plans and efforts and a lot of consolidation that has occurred so i think it's really important to build on that and to the extent possible I think it's really important to use the next step as an educational opportunity in different parts of our county.

And it might even be worthwhile to coordinate with supervisors and engage them as you hold public workshops in different districts. Because I think, again, we have to be prepared for the future at all levels, at individual community and county. This is an opportunity to help people understand that. Another example is just heat, I noticed that you don't take the Santa Ynez Valley separately but its heat issues are quite different than Lompoc and Santa Maria and it's population has the largest percentage of seniors In the county, so heat is and having cooling centers and how we address that is especially significant in that community. So I do think getting out into the districts and communities and educating and hearing from people Encouraging people to do things individually and community that government can't do it all.

We need to be on a similar score of music if you will, and government has its part but other people have to do their part as well. And I think if we can create that template, that is extremely helpful.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction4:45:50

Thank you Supervisor Harmon. Other comments?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed4:45:57

I'll move the staff recommendation with the direction that staff work with the ag community to iron out these outstanding issues to everyone's agreement so that the foundational document is something we can build a consensus on.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:46:12

Great, I'll second and please thank your staff this was helpful

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:46:18

for me right Any further comments? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed4:46:27

Mr. Heron this is after our motion but I really failed to Offer my thanks and appreciation to the consultants and the staff in all county departments, including LRP that really worked hard on this. It is a pretty tremendous document and a lot of it's data driven and they work very hard on it. And I should note that we did get a grant that has helped fund this so we will continue to work to try and obtain grants to keep funding different programs like this.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role4:47:00

All right, thank you Director Plowman. All right now on to our fourth and final item. Madam Clerk will you read item number four into the record?

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction4:47:11

Chair Nelson and members of the board departmental item number four is from the County Executive Office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an update on the coronavirus disease 2019 COVID-19.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:47:25

Good afternoon, Chair Nelson and members of the board. I apologize but I believe that there's some landscape work that's being done so I hope you can hear me. My briefing this morning, this afternoon includes an update on our rates as well as are an update about our indoor masking health officer order. Madam Clerk may I have my slides?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:47:54

Next

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:47:57

So as of November 8, we have 45 new cases which is a 17% decrease from a two week average of 54. Our active cases stand at 336. We reported one death yesterday of an individual who was 70 plus years of age from Goleta with no underlying medical conditions. We currently have 35 individuals hospitalized with COVID-19 and of that, eight are in the ICU. Santa Barbara County has a total of 44,596 cases. We've lost 527 community members to COVID-19. Our current case rate is nine and testing positivity is 2.9 Next.

This graph describes our daily case rate per 100,000 the gray line describes the rate with a four day lag and is updated Monday through Friday and as you recall we began calculating this rate with a four day lag instead of a seven day lag like the state. We did this early in the summer as we needed to see the trends The blue line describes the California adjusted case rate, which is a case rate with a seven-day lag that the state adjusts based on testing volume and is reported each Tuesday.

So if we look at a period from say October 21st through November 4th, we can see that our case rate has decreased roughly around 22%. Next. This graph describes our case rate by vaccination status as of October 28. Our case rate among unvaccinated individuals is 18.3 This means that in Santa Barbara County, people who are unvaccinated are 5.5 times more likely to get COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.

Another takeaway from this graph is that during the two weeks timeframe from October 14th through October 28, we can see that the case rate countywide decreased by 5%. But if we drill down, we see that case rate among the unvaccinated. increase by 6%, whereas the case rate among vaccinated decreased by 31%. The data in this graph shows a very compelling case, how vaccination is helping the decrease of transmission in our county.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed4:51:09

Next.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed4:51:17

Currently, we have 60.2 of hospital beds in use. This means that 363 out of 603 beds are occupied with 35 of them for COVID-19 patients. And with regards to staff adult ICU beds, we have 63.2% in use what this means is that 48 out of the 76 beds are occupied with eight of them being for COVID-19 patients. This is critical. It is very critical to safeguard our hospital capacity, especially now during the winter months given that historically we will see an increase in hospitalizations due to respiratory illnesses.

We do worry when we see an uptick in cases because invariably We can anticipate an increase in hospitalization within two or three weeks. As I showed earlier, case rate among the unvaccinated is unacceptably high at 18.3 per 100,000. Again this is why vaccination is so important because vaccines are effectively preventing severe illness requiring hospitalization.

Next? Our hospitalization rates have made very minor decreases in the past two months. In the past two weeks, we've only seen a decrease of roughly 5%. Although our ICU numbers have fluctuated and we are seeing a current decrease of 38%. In addition to this graph, I'd like to share with you that from May to October we had a total of 611 hospitalizations. Of this 81% were unvaccinated and if we only look at October we had 113 hospitalizations 82 were unvaccinated, meaning 73% of our hospitalizations in October were unvaccinated.

Next. This graph shows our vaccination status. So when we look at the eligible population, we have roughly 72% of our eligible population as fully vaccinated and this number reflects the 12 and above. I would like to point out that tomorrow we will be adding the 5-11 year olds So roughly about 41,638 into the eligible group calculation. So just a heads up this means that our percent of eligible fully vaccinated will decrease to around 64.8%.

Of course, because the denominator will be increasing. In total we have roughly 60.7% of our total Santa Barbara County population as fully vaccinated. Next. This chart shows by zip codes the percentage of vaccine coverage. We have made strides increasing vaccination rates in low health equity metric communities, as you can see from this chart. We have still though a wide gap in vaccination rates. We have four communities where vaccination rate is below 64% and those are marked by the first four in red.

We also have four communities with less than our county rate of 71.8% among eligible individuals, and those are characterized by the orange. The light yellow all the way to green are communities where vaccine coverage has exceeded what we're seeing as an average in our county. Next. So our work continues. We know that mobile vaccination programs work in our community, we will continue to offer clinics throughout the county in partnership with community partners.

Our November calendar is available at publichealthsbc.org. Last week we were at Santa Barbara High School, we were at the Boys and Girls Club in Santa Maria as well as at the CARP Children's Project. We also have several pediatric clinics planned. Our first clinic was yesterday in Guadalupe, and by all accounts it was wildly successful. We offered a total of 148 doses with 89 of them to the newly eligible group. So that's 60% of our vaccine clinic yesterday Next.

Currently we are managing 28 active outbreaks, two among businesses, 21 among schools and five among congregate living facilities. And I'd like to update your board on the Santa Barbara County Indoor Masking Health Officer Order. As you recall, the indoor masking mandate was issued on August 6th as our daily cases were rapidly increasing. At that time, as we also saw COVID-19 hospitalization increasing after a period of stabilization.

And we also witness vaccination rates plateauing. We put that in To knowing that the significantly more transmissible Delta variant had become the predominant strain in the US as well as in Santa Barbara County. So to control the spread of COVID-19, we issued a health officer order For all individuals in the county of Santa Barbara, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated to wear a face covering at all times in indoor public settings with limited exemptions and recommend that businesses make face covering available to all individuals entering business.

Our current status, our daily case rate is decreasing but we are also seeing minor surges happening in other locations as well as throughout our state. Our hospital capacity is unstable and especially worrisome given the winter holidays and the winter season approaching. And our vaccination rates are slowly inching upwards even though we also as I just shared See that in some communities, it is below average.

Next. So our Santa Barbara County Health Officer order for indoors masking was renewed and it will be in effect until December 4th. As we shared before, the Santa Barbara County health officer order will be lifted when case rate is less than six per 100,000 for two weeks. So what that means is when we are seeing less than 27 cases a day If Santa Barbara County Health Officer order for indoor masking is lifted, there will be triggers that may cause a reassurance, a reissuance of the order such as high case rates, such as circulating variants. and tanking hospital capacity.

But even if we lift our local health officer order, masks would still be required in certain settings per state health officer order or per Cal OSHA mandates. And that means masks are still, would still be required in schools, in places of employment such as hospitals and congregate facilities And in all indoor settings for unvaccinated individuals. However, I'd like to share with your board that we are reviewing this criteria that I mentioned the six per 100,000 for two weeks with other jurisdictions next.

We are looking at what other jurisdictions are doing. And so I'd like to share with your board a high overview of what's going around the state. So in Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Sonoma and Berkeley they did issue a criteria on October 7th And they will lift their indoor mask masking order when they have case rate less than seven and testing positivity, less than eight for three continuous week. And this is that they're using at the CDC guidelines.

The Bay Area counties will also look at the hospitalization to ensure that hospital capacity is great and hospitalizations is low and stable. The Bay Area will also consider lifting when they have achieved 80% of total population as fully vaccinated or when it has been eight weeks after the emergency use authorization for the 5 to 11 year olds have passed. More locally, Ventura issued their criteria on October 18th and they have very similar criteria as the Bay Area. And that would be a case rate of less than seven With regards to hospitalization, Ventura will lift the indoor masking order when the health officers judgment of hospitalization as low and stable.

And with regards to vaccination requirement, Ventura will consider it when 80% of total eligible population as fully vaccinated or eight weeks after the EUA for the five to 11 year olds. Slow, San Luis Obispo County is a little bit more simple in their criteria. They issued it on October 20th and it is a case rate of less than seven for 10 days. And with regards to hospitalization, it is low and stable as per judgment of the health officer.

When we look further down south, we see that Los Angeles has the most nuanced set of criteria and that was issued on November 2nd. So LA will lift their indoor masking order when the case rate is less than seven Testing positivity is less than eight for three continuous week, when hospitalization is fewer than 600 for three straight weeks. When 80% of residents 12 and above are fully vaccinated. Additionally, when there is no significant reports of circulating variants of concern that could threaten the vaccine efficacy.

So we are in conversations with our closest neighbors, Ventura and Slough and looking at a regional approach. I'd like to next I'd like to share with your board as there have been inquiries about the difference between the old retired California tier system versus the new CDC tiers. And so with the as you can recall, the upper half the old California tier system at the new cases per 100000 per day with a seven day average and 70 lag minimal is less than two moderate is from 2 to 5.9 and substantial is from 6 to 10 and widespread would be the purple zone with anything larger than 10.

With regards to when you compare it with the new CDC case, it is so CDC is a little bit different and the main difference is that the CDC tier is based on total new cases per 100000 in the past seven days. So it is not daily. So what you would have to do is multiply on the case rate from the California system by seven. So new cases per 100,000 in the past seven days, according to CDC zero to nine would be considered low and 10 to 49 would be considered moderate and substantial community transmission is when you have cases case rates A 50 to 99 for that seven days and high would be greater than 100. So if we look at the old California tier, they're basically and you multiply it by 7 is roughly very similar So looking at the old California tier, multiply it by seven and you would have a minimal case rate of less than 14.

The moderate would be 14 to about 41. Substantial would be 42 to 70 and widespread would be around 70. And so earlier I shared with your board that our current rate case rate in Santa Barbara is at nine per 100,000. It would have us in the red tier substantial transmission if we use the retired California tiered system. However, if we use the CDC tier, we would then take the case rate of nine multiply that by seven Next.

In summary, with regards to lifting the indoors masking health officer order. We will be in conversations with our colleagues in slow as well as in Ventura and we will also look at using a case rate using the CDC tier system, as I just explained. We will also consider hospitalization and hospital capacity like other jurisdictions. We will also be looking at vaccination rates and consider other criteria such as variants and a regional approach.

And that ends my presentation, and I am happy to answer your questions.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:08:12

Big questions from the board. Supervisor Levenino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:08:16

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much, Dr. Reynoso. I think I was kind of the one asking for this to be brought back so I appreciate that. Um, I have a couple of questions just going around at different websites and stuff. I was curious like on the CDC website how do they get our information? Do we pass it along to them or do they just extrapolate things that they take from our website? How does that work?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:08:40

Supervisor Lavallino through the chair, the CDPH feeds the information to CDC. So that's why there's always a lag in their calculation versus our own local calculations.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:08:56

Okay. Because on their website, it shows and I don't know if this is accurate but it shows 99% of people over 65 years old in Santa Barbara County have had at least one dose and 86.5% are fully vaccinated. I don't know if we agree with those numbers. And then it shows 84% over 18 years old one dose and 74.1% fully vaccinated, so I hope those are correct because they are that's very encouraging.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:09:28

Yes, so I am not sure how CDC calculates their vaccination rates. I do know that they CDPH is the source of information but again our epi team takes the extracts the data using codes that CDPH has shared with our epi team to generate what's the information that you see on our website with regards to vaccination rates And in particular, with vaccination rates among different age groups and different ethnic groups.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:10:03

Okay. I wanted to also ask you about a couple of different things. One is booster information. I just got a text from CDPH telling me that I may qualify for a booster and I know people are asking me what are the qualifications? How do you qualify for a booster at this point?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:10:22

So right now, I right now boosters are eligible for anyone who is over 18 and in a job that would increase their exposure to covert 19 for as well as for age 65. So how a person would acquire a booster vaccination is to go to myturn.com and they will walk you through the different criteria. Do you have a medical condition? Are you in a job that exposes? Are you over 65?

And you simply check the box and then it would generate an appointment for you. I can speak to this because I've gone through it just to test it out, and there is no attestation when you show up at the pharmacy if that's where you choose to get a vaccine.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:11:26

Okay. And then this one might be more of a intellectual, I don't know. I guess the question for me is then when I look at all of our numbers and how well things are going when in, I don't know what the proper term is endemic. When does a pandemic end and an endemic begin? Like when do we say And I started thinking about, I'm like, I have this contractor at my house and he is a perfectionist and will never leave until I say okay. I mean there's always something to be done but at some point we say okay hospitalizations are down, death is down. And I know case rate, we always talk about case rate but for me I've always had this thing that cases are not created equally like 85 year old with a chronic heart condition is different than a 16 year old that is very healthy so I know you're coming up and trying to come up with these new New outlines, but are you looking on the horizon and saying yes?

What what's going to hit when you say this is just something we're going to live with the rest of our lives. We can't eradicate sickness.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:12:31

We are in conversation both locally, Dr. Ansorg and I and our colleagues have been in conversation for exactly that same question. When do we consider routinizing our response efforts? And when do we do X, Y & Z and accepting that COVID is part of our new norm, and when do we remove it from the pandemic state to the endemic state. With regards to when do we move from a pandemic to an endemic state? I think that's a conversation that happens at the state level with CDPH, and that is also a conversation that's happening on a weekly basis. Unfortunately, Santa Barbara may be in a better state but a lot of our colleagues throughout our state are not seeing a low case rate or a trending downward case rate as we are seeing. So I think that is a conversation that happens locally as well as regionally.

We are in conversation with slow and Ventura, and talking about a community spread talking about vaccination rate and talking about case rate because I think that whatever happens around the corner will be better. And we're seeing an uptick in cases in L.A., so that has us worried because we know that invariably, that we will see some effects of that in the coming weeks.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:14:12

Just two other things. One is I think it's important for the public to understand what you had also put in your presentation is that regardless of what you do, masks will still be required at schools and at work and indoor locations for unvaccinated, regardless of what your proclamation is. This is a state controlled mandate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:14:33

Right? That is absolutely correct. The state has a very detailed list of where masking is required and us lifting our local health officer order will not impact the state orders and the state Cal OSHA mandates.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.805:14:54

And then I didn't know if Dr. Ansorg or maybe you can answer this, I don't know if he's on the line but I was just curious about there's new treatments out Pfizer is talking about a pill. I know England's rolling out the Merck pill this month and also Pfizer and how do you see that rolling out in Santa Barbara County?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:15:13

So we are really excited about the prospect of antivirals being approved because ultimately it will prevent lives lost. It can prevent severe illness and poor outcomes, so we are excited about that prospect and that is one more tool that we will have in our fight against COVID and that is also a specter of when perhaps we can consider COVID-19 as endemic.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:15:48

Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Lavenino. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:15:51

Well, that was my key question with the new drug and how that's a game changer. But in terms of hospitalization what would you consider a low and stable rate in Santa Barbara County? That's one question. And then as if we look at the other counties it's vaccination rates or eight weeks after the emergency use authorization for the five to 12 year olds so Could you elaborate how you're thinking about that, how our public health department is thinking about both of those questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:16:24

Sure. Supervisor Hartman through the chair, when we look at hospitalization and hospital capacity that's a conversation that we will need to engage our hospitals leadership in what is the percentage. Right now we're saying that we are in the danger zone When we have less than 35% hospital beds available, that is still and we're seeing somewhat of an unstable fluctuation between our hospital bed usage. So it's a conversation that we're planning to have with our hospital leadership with regards to IC staffed adult ICU beds. We worry when the That capacity falls below 20%. The state sees it as problematic and crisis if it is less than 10%, so again, I would need to have that conversation with and engage the hospital partners in do we keep the 35%?

Do we go down to even a greater 45%? So that is a conversation. To be had and that's why I was not able to bring a decision before your board today. With regard, I'm sorry, I forgot the other part of the question.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.835:17:53

Vaccination rates some of the other counties they say 80% or 8 weeks after the emergency use authorization for older children.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:18:06

Right, so when we when we issued our our masking order and we shared with your board in October that we would consider lifting it. When we had a case rate of six per 100,000 at that time, we and we still do believe that when our vaccination rate is at a certain level I'm going to turn it over to Dr. And we are in discussion with SLO and Ventura on their criteria, specifically whether they will maintain the 80% of total eligible population to include the 5-11 And what is the impact of that? So those are the moving pieces. When these jurisdictions issued their criteria of 80% of total population fully vaccinated or 80% of total eligible population, the 5 to 11 year olds had not been approved and so with the eight weeks would take them until It will pass through the winter season and into perhaps January.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction5:19:54

Thank you, I have a few questions. Let's go to slide 14 here for a moment.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:20:05

That is the other way. No, it's the orange. It has us in the substantial.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:20:23

Okay, well this morning I had this in the moderate and your chart hasn't been moderate so I think that's where there's some confusion. So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed5:20:32

okay

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:20:34

and then if it was in a moderate the CDC would recommend not having a mask mandate is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:20:40

So that would be over a period of time, but yes. So if a county is in the low or moderate then they would not need to have the indoor masking. But so from what I showed in previous slide typically the other jurisdictions are looking at the case rate over a three week period to allow for stabilization of the case rate So it wouldn't be on a daily basis.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:21:12

And then we actually have in the blue, according to CDC on the percentage of PCR tests positive in the past seven days right? We would be in the low category?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:21:22

Yes

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:21:23

Because, you know that's something that I think is something that we should be thinking about as we approach this is that, you know, we do. We have been alone and we haven't allowed for quite some time. You know, one of the reasons why I think our rate is higher than other places throughout the country and throughout the state potentially is because we actually test a lot. Right, I mean we tested a significant level in Santa Barbara County. In comparison to other places especially in the country is that right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:21:56

I think I would say that so when you look at our adjusted case rate from CDPH, the adjustment has already been calculated. Our volume of testing or lack of testing

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:22:12

Well, again I think as Supervisor Lavanino made the point about as we move towards being endemic and that you know COVID is probably going to be with us for an extended period of time. And the great news is where we've been adapting and there's new treatments available that would help people continue to protect themselves. Here's another question. We're seeing throughout the country, other parts of the country like Florida where they don't have a mask mandate or requirement actually be considerably lower than California and any thoughts on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:22:51

that? With regards to the case rate It came at a great cost. So you would have to look at the number of hospitalization and the number of deaths, and calculate that by per capita to really measure apples-to-apples And that we at this point in time, I do believe that we have a an increasing case rate and. The experts are flummoxed and we are wondering why that is so there's several thoughts circulating.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:23:30

In the current six cases per 100,000 you know any place else in the state or country that has a stricter standard?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:23:39

I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:23:41

So when, so it no I don't. So Santa Barbara again, Santa Barbara is considering moving to mirror other jurisdictions like the Bay Area but that would be a seven case rate per 100,000 for three weeks versus the six per 100,000 for two weeks.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:24:06

Now being conformity with the CDC guidelines?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:24:08

Correct. So we are, that is a, uh, we're giving serious consideration to mirror the CDC guidelines. I

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:24:16

think it's a great idea. Thank you. Um, I have a couple of questions for HR, but I think while we're, while you have, while you're with us, Supervisor Williams, do you have a question for Dr. Del Renoso?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:24:24

Well, sort of like a question for Dr. Del Ranoso but also for us I mean isn't the Ventura and Bay Area criterias more stringent in that it also requires 80% of the population to be vaccinated too? I mean, you know in trying to answer your question. Yeah it seems like there's a lot of places with the more strict standard because of the three weeks and because of the vaccine vaccination requirement too now you know maybe it's Maybe as a society, it's better to have the vaccination requirement because that's something that we can all do something about. Right? If we want to get out from the mask mandate, we can make sure we all go get vaccinated, right?

So I think there's certain logic to that even if it was a less restrictive case rate.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction5:25:31

All right, any other questions for Dr.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:25:32

Delranoso? Okay I've got a couple quick questions for HR. I understand Maria Elena is available.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed5:25:42

Yes, I'm right here.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:25:43

So my office has been getting a lot of questions about the testing procedures that we're having for our employees that have chosen not to get vaccinated. One of them was on the religious exemption previously they were able to just check a box that they were on religious exemption now they have to provide some written comment as well can you set the standard for that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed5:26:07

Yes, I have Yvonne Torres who's the lead on the testing program for the county. So Yvonne do you want to respond?

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:26:17

Of course good afternoon Chair Nelson and members of the board so yes we are requiring there is a process for the religious exemptions. The employee would fill out a declination form stating That they do have a religious belief and then they are to attach. A statement that is reviewed and considered through guidance from county councils, and the request will be honored once that attachment is attached to the declination.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:26:53

So are we evaluating where we reject somebody's? Religious statement.

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:27:00

We will not reject a religious statement. They're case by case, as long as it's a reasonable request and we have actually had 66 already submitted and we have not rejected any of those.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:27:17

Thank you. And then the other question about the testing is, I understand there's some concerns that to do the testing procedures requires our employees to disclose their age, their race and their sexual orientation. Is that correct?

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:27:34

That is correct. Required by state law for the testing results, and this is for the information to be sent to the CDPH. And it's a requirement pursuant to the California Code of Regulations and the information that they do give is protected by HIPAA and the company that we're contracted with does protect personal health information.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:28:04

I just don't think that's what we should be doing as a county, making our employees disclose that information. I think it's problematic. I'm fine with a testing option. You know, and I just understand that's something that we've agreed to do but I think you know there's a certain amount of invasion of privacy that I think I can defer that to Vaughn as to the requirement and why that's required by the California Code of Regulations if she is still on.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:28:52

I'm sorry,

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:28:54

can you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:28:54

repeat

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:28:54

that? Sure. Why is it that the state is requiring employees to answer or anyone to answer those questions of demographic information?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed5:29:06

It's depersonalized and It is for calculations. So when we look at, I know that your board has asked in previous meetings who's getting tested? Are they symptomatic? And so the tester asks demographics so that we can track and see trends and support that information if needed. So it's something that we ask from our community members from day one when they test at a state testing, state or public health sponsored their age, their occupation, a whole slew of demographics. And again, it is really just for data gathering and analyzing so that we can see and spot trends

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed5:30:11

Mr. Chair, I mean this has been a big discussion in state law especially around public health matters for a long time, for decades and in recent years in the legislature and in state government the discussion has been that if you can't disaggregate data you cannot identify populations that are getting disproportionate effects I'm going to go ahead and get started. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to start by saying thank you to the board of Supervisors for their work on this. It's been a long time since we've had a meeting like this.

I'm not sure if that's the issue at

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:31:15

stake. I'm fine with that being asked, but when you're not allowed to test without giving that information, I think that's a problem. So and that's my understanding if that's correct HR is that? Chair

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:31:29

Nelson and members of the board so the sexual orientation question Can be bypassed, but not the gender. There are some questions in the questionnaire there are some questions that can the employees can skip, but there are certain questions like the name and date of birth and gender that you can't skip so there there are questions they can bypass.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:31:53

Okay, well that's different than the information I understand. So if that's the case then I feel better about that but that was what's concerned that I've heard from our employees and understand that you and your own staff is truth that out and that you have to do that so I think it's really important that we find out one way or the other. And if we do require that to be disclosed, I think we should look at alternative solutions for our employees that aren't comfortable sharing that information publicly.

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:32:18

Understood,

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:32:20

thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:32:21

All right, so I believe you have some public comment?

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:32:24

Yes, from Nelson and members of the board we have 14 excuse me 15 requests to speak on this item.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:32:29

Okay, I'll go ahead and close public comment this

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction5:32:31

time.

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CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:32:39

And we will begin on zoom with Karen Murphy to be followed by Danielle block Karen. And Karen,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:32:55

please

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:32:55

proceed with your comments. Can you hear me okay? Yes we can. Please proceed. Thank you.

CommentKaren MurphyProposed5:33:01

Hello I am commenting to ask you to remove the mask mandate in Santa Barbara County. We are hugely social animals and a great deal of our communication is through facial expressions. For almost a year and a half we have had this communication impeded by masking. For myself this has definitely impacted my social interactions and my sense of connection to my community We can't see smiles. We have trouble understanding each other through the muffling I could go on. This has been tough and it isn't just me feeling this way but this is nothing compared to how our kids have been impacted.

Facial communication is essential to the development of young children even from birth. Newborn babies will pay more attention to shapes that are arranged in a face like pattern than any over any other pattern. This is how innate our need for facial communication is and this is what we have been stifling in our children My two-year-old has now spent three quarters of her life looking at mask faces when we go out.

It is heartbreaking to see store clerks and other kids in the store try to interact with her, and when they are masked she has a total disconnect to them. She is a social child. She does not have this reaction to our neighbors or kids at the park but she is missing so many social interactions and learning experiences that we took for granted. We will not know the negative developmental consequences of masking on children for some time We owe it to our youngest generation to lessen that impact as much as possible.

Yes, we should be concerned about the serious risks of COVID but it should not be our only concern. We know from countries with high vaccination rates and particularly from universities with 95% plus vaccination rates that near perfect vaccination will not stop mask mandates. Only you as a Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors can make that decision. I request that you consider more factors than COVID transmission rates when discussing lifting this mask mandate. Chair Nelson, Mr. Hart, Ms. Levanino, Ms Hartman and Mr. Williams please lift the Santa Barbara County mask mandate. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:35:15

We will now go to Danielle Blanc to be followed by Maria Kessner

CommentDanielleProposed5:35:29

Second, the previous comment to have the mask mandate dropped. I don't think they're healthy. I don't think they work and I haven't seen any peer reviewed science proving that work. I would like to suggest Dr. Doran also to show in the next slide a science that the masks work So because if they really work, maybe we'll not be in a pandemic and are really in a pandemic still? I don't think so. So I also want to thank Supervisor Nelson for listening to the public. We really appreciate it. I want to thank Supervisor Lavagnino for using some critical thinking and making very valuable questions last meeting and today as well. Supervisor Hart, you said that we are not showing up as many but I want to remind you that many of us work And we don't get paid to be here as you do.

And I'm a single mom of three children, so I took that the whole day off to be here to voice my concerns and some members of our community speak for many of us. Supervisor Williams, I find very interesting that after these meetings he went to the newspaper complaining about the public comments. And if you have not done anything wrong, you should not be worried about citizen arrest Dr. Reynoso, I think you should open your mind and check many of the doctors who are speaking about vaccine injuries. There is a lot out there speaking about vaccine injuries would be great to check them out. Also, I don't think Carpinteria is 100% vaccinated as was shown in this slide. I'm on a chat with 19 mothers and I checked with them and they said they're not.

Also, I would like to request for the next slide show the proof, the peer review science that must work. Also a slideshow with the vaccine ingredients that we haven't seen yet. I haven't seen any slideshow with the vaccine ingredients. Why not? And a number of people who got injured by the vaccines in my slideshow because I know some got injured and I think it would be great to show some numbers I personally believe that we are not in a pandemic anymore because if we are, we would see homelessness dying on the streets. And what I see is a lot of homeless increasing numbers. Also it's very important to see the people who got sick with the vaccines in case of the numbers. How many people are in the hospitals when they injuries?

And why healthcare workers are being fired if there is a probability of cases increasing in the hospital in the next few months, as Dr. Reynolds mentioned? So they should not be getting fired because they're going to be needed if that's true. And so I think that's enough.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:38:35

Thank you,

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:38:35

ma'am. That is your time.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:38:37

We will now go to Maria Kessler and to be followed by Zulema Alman.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:38:51

Hello, Board of

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role5:38:52

Supervisors. I'd like to point out that this week Nick Welch from the Center for Independent wrote yet another little hit piece against public speakers by omitting the fact that those speaking on mask mandates last week which is including myself have medical exemptions due to medical conditions and disabilities and we're talking about the discrimination they endure in the community Let us remind the public that the Santa Barbara Independent is not a realistic journalistic outlet due to its constant endorsement of political candidates.

As of today, November 9 2021 the CDC has reported a total of 680 covert deaths for kids under the age of 18 since the beginning of this so called pandemic which started January 4, 2020. Yet the Biden DOJ is forcing mandates on school children nationwide which do not have legal standing since this action never went to Congress or state legislators and reflects merely their legal opinion. In the meanwhile, the CDC quietly confirms mRNA vaccines do cause heart inflammation especially in younger males. At the 2021 Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices presented An update on COVID-19 vaccine safety, stating evidence from multiple safety monitoring systems in multiple countries support the finding of an increased risk of myocarditis and myopericarditis following mRNA COVID- 19 vaccination result in multiple countries deciding to halt vaccination with Moderna AIDS COVID- for younger people because of potential side effects.

Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland are all taking action against Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, citing new data on heart inflammation risks. In the meanwhile I would like to point out that Los Angeles City Council voted to enact a vaccine passport. The passport will be the strictest in the nation requiring that customers and employees of restaurants, bars, grocery stores and other establishments be vaccinated to enter. I really am just stunned at this, this is total tyranny because this means that people cannot go to the grocery store to get their essential needs met and you know what? I wanted to end this again as a granddaughter of a woman who helped save a Jewish couple by hiding them in her house in Nazi occupied Holland having her husband forced on transfer to Nazi work camp At the barrel of a gun while being left behind with three little kids under the age of five, I will continue to remind this board of the grave injustices that are being perpetrated by our bio-fascist government who puts again private corporate profits above the public health and freedoms of our citizens.

And just, I just pulled up one if you can pull it up really quick. I believe that Pfizer had a profit Over $300 billion worldwide. And again, I also pulled up, tried to pull up available COVID vaccines, Comirnaty vaccine, Pfizer Comirnaty nowhere to be found.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:42:05

Thank you Ms. Kessler. That is your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:42:08

We will now go to Zulema Almond to be followed by Marjorie Newman.

CommentSulema LemanProposedself-stated5:42:28

Good afternoon chair members of the board. My name is Sulema Leman and I'm a community organizer with CAUSE and a resident of Santa Maria. I am calling in support of the mask mandate and the tireless efforts from public health staff to keep our families, children, neighbors, elderly and immunocompromised communities safe during this pandemic despite the minority who choose to ignore science and use threats and intimidation to try to get their way I strongly urge our board and other elected officials to uplift work public health staff have done over the past year and eight months, and ensure their safety as it is the responsibility of the board to do so.

Side note, I apologize for my cat who is screaming. I've had the honor to work with farm workers and their families throughout this pandemic and have seen firsthand the positive results of the mandates that Dr. Von Dorinoso and her staff have issued to keep our community safe. At the beginning of the pandemic, the farmworker community was one of the communities that was most affected by COVID-19 due to crowded housing conditions and unsafe work practices in the fields as well as language and immigration status barriers. The public health team has partnered up with dozen of organizations, community resources and projects and working groups to address those concerns. We are happy to say this collective work minimize case rates, raise vaccination rates and build trusting relationships between public health and the public.

As a partner of public health, we have also seen the department be fair by checking with field leaders and looking at the big picture before enacting any order. For example when there was an outbreak of COVID-19 in AHUA housing around this time last year Dr. Dorino and her team took the time to carefully assess the situation here at all sites and do extensive research and check with other public health departments and then enact a health order to protect those in congregate housing based on their findings.

Though I wish they had moved faster in this process and enacted an order sooner, I do admire that public health was thorough and careful in their action and ensuring they were advocating for everyone in our community. The Public Health Department does not enact health orders based on their own personal feelings, their personal gains or their own personal beliefs, and they do not do this in a casual manner. It comes after careful consideration backed by scientific evidence, following the advice of scientists who are leading this work not only in our country but worldwide. We were able to see this for ourselves today in this presentation. I truly believe that health orders when they are lifted and put into action should be left for the professionals.

In this case, the public health department. I know Dr. Dorinoso and her team will continue to guide us through this pandemic and safety. Therefore, I urge the board to ensure the safety of the public health team is a priority. Thank you.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:45:07

Thank you.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:45:09

We will now go to Marjorie Newman to be followed by

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:45:13

Rubaiyi Estates. Hi there, I'm

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed5:45:23

Dr. Marjorie Newman. I'm the Medical Director at Sansom Clinic in Santa Barbara and I have to echo the comments of the previous speaker. I applaud the Public Health Department and all of the work that Dr. Villanueva-

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:45:35

Marjorie can you speak up a little bit?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed5:45:37

Oh, certainly sorry. Again just applauding the work of the public health department and all they've done during this pandemic it's really been a trying time for all of us patients and also healthcare workers who have been on the front lines like we have at Sansum Clinic. I do have to address the science that was mentioned that there is no science about masks about masking which is absolutely not true because the virus is transmitted predominantly by inhaling respiratory droplets from infected persons universal masking does help reduce transmission of virus from one person to another. There are several studies in fact published on this, on the CDC website if you want to look up MMWR, morbidity and mortality weekly. Mass mandates were associated with statistically significant decreases in COVID-19 case rates and death rates within 20 days of implementation.

And that is what has been done throughout actually this nation as well as throughout the world When case rates go higher, mask mandates are implemented and then within 20 days we start seeing a decrease in viral transmission and death rates. There are several other studies as well one in Bangladesh with 340,000 people again proving that masking decreased transmission and death rate so again the science is there the science is real and I do applaud the efforts to keep our community safe It's not only about the individual potentially being uncomfortable wearing a mask, you're protecting others. You're protecting the global community. There are people in Trader Joe's and in the grocery stores who may be immunocompromised. They may have been vaccinated but still maybe not able to mount the immune response and if somebody is infected and coughs or sneezes in their airspace, you'r e potentially risking somebod y else's life.

And I think that A minimal discomfort to wear a mask in an indoor public setting or a business to protect others around you. It really seems like a very minimal inconvenience. At our clinic, we have thousands of patient visits per week. Prior to vaccines being implemented all of our providers were wearing masks and we mandated all of our patients and anybody in our doors to wear masks. And we know that we have not had any iatrogenic transmission of COVID because of our masking of all of our individuals within our facilities. And so we are going to continue to do that, to protect all of our patients and all of our staff and healthcare workers regardless of vaccine status at this point the transmission level is too high

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction5:48:09

and too concerning. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:48:16

We will now go to Rubaiyia States to be followed by Dr. Amy Smith.

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CommentRubai EstesProposedself-stated5:48:26

Hello, my name is Rubai Estes. I am here to speak in support of the public health mask mandate. As an evaluator it has been difficult to listen to some of the iterations of data presented as part of the public comment period over this last year. We are fortunate to have the data scientists, the epidemiologists, the community health workers in our county and public private nonprofit and individual capacities.

This allows us to inform policy and also pivot and respond to changes in health outcomes or human behavior. This is the crux of good policy and it is a difficult task, but everyone takes it seriously especially here in Santa Barbara County Public Health Department. Due to the rampant spread of COVID-19 and the numbers of lives lost, critical care needs, illness recovery and vaccination and for how long it has occurred we're able to gather good big data How much more data is enough? And I really appreciate people being able to provide immediate responses to the questions that have come up recently.

And what is the cost are we willing to endure, to give more data at this point? What matters here are the large sets of information that are paralleled across communities gathered over long periods over seven quarters nearly two years and the different conditions they've occurred in such as surges weather urban design transportation etc. One may argue one outlier, but you cannot argue patterns over time and successful outcomes in multiple communities in multiple conditions that have worked over and over again.

Our public health department scrutinizes the local data and makes recommendations based on those findings. They're designed to be time limited with specific criteria to initiate mandate and good policy and to lift mandates and change policy in a very transparent fashion. Therefore, it would be negligent and immoral on our part to not adopt staff recommendations on masking and the health officer orders as they have been put out.

If we need to get out of this pandemic state, as somebody just said before, we need to leave it up to the professionals. I commend you for supporting staff, and I truly feel fortunate to live in a county under the purview of this public health leadership. Thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:50:44

We will now go to Dr. Amy Smith to be followed by Justin Shores.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed5:50:54

Thank you, it's concerning that it doesn't seem to be that people really understand how science works that just because you have large groups of data doesn't mean you can make conclusions with multifactorial situations That's why huge corporations that like to hide their harm of their products, like the tobacco industry. They like to have epidemiological broad surveillance data but not actually do controlled studies and that is exactly the problem with the vaccine claiming that the vaccine is being protective When we are not monitoring in a balanced way as has been brought up many times and is ignored unfortunately by our health department that is serving as an instrument of propaganda for corporations and their products. That is the same reason that the Health Department ignores treatments that are protective and preventative of hospitalization for someone unfortunate enough to contract this disease why are these known remedies they're being used widely throughout the world and protecting Thousands and thousands of lives not being trumpeted from the rooftops as much as they say get your vaccine, get your vaccine.

The vaccine with a brand new mRNA technology or DNA technology that has no long term testing is not known what the impact will be on fertility of children growing up is not known about autoimmune disease neurological degeneration The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis alone in children and young people is enough to make more than 13,000 doctors sign a declaration against mandating COVID injections in children. Please go see doctorsandscientistdeclaration.org to read more. Dr. Toby Rogers estimates that 117 kids will be killed by COVID injections for every one saved from a COVID death. And remember that is when there are safe and effective Treatments that have well known safety profiles that are being discouraged from you such as ivermectin, which no is not a horse paced supervisor Harmon is actually a human medicine that got someone a Nobel Prize for figuring out this was very helpful to humans.

This kind of disparagement of effective treatment that has been used in treating the disease is propaganda and that is irresponsible and in this case actually deadly and causes lives to be lost. And I'm sorry, I'm very upset. But when children's lives hang in the balance and I've already heard of two people in our community that are children that have suffered from you know Passing out one diagnosed with a heart condition from a vaccine, according to their doctor is very, very upsetting that people just go along and only listen to certain sources and ignore all the concerns. That is called propaganda. That is not science. Sansum Clinic is a huge problem in promoting vaccine propaganda all along so it is not surprising that they would participate in this.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:53:55

Thank you Dr. Smith. Pleasure time.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction5:53:57

We will now go to Justin Shores, be followed by Amy Blair. Justin?

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CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction5:54:05

Thank you. I just want to call out party politics and realize that's why we're here at this point is pretty much the federal government pushing down mandates on all the local governments and all the people that are I want to start by saying thank you to all of the members of the Board of Supervisors for being here today. It's been a long time since we've had a meeting like this, and it's been an honor to be able to be part of this conversation with you all. We're going to get started in just a moment, but first let me say thank you so much to all the members of the Board of Supervisors for being here today.

You have no credibility, Reynoso, if you're not looking at these other places that are doing the right things. You're looking at California and you've done it the whole time. My mother got COVID. She was sent home. She's obese and she's diabetic. She was sent home to die in this state because of people like you refusing to look at other treatments and calling people like me liars who studied it, who looked around and saw hey there's other treatments but you and people in California need to stop. You need to look at the whole picture. This is not about party politics guess what your party has a very low approval right now Biden's at 38%, Kamala is at 28%. That's because of the policy.

California case rate right now is two times that of Florida, that matters because that's the metric that Gavin Houston used to justify these mandates. Guess what? It's not working. This is 18 months 20 months in now you guys. You're doing something wrong. It's obvious and it's because of the things you're not saying, The number one diver in the world just got myocarditis.

So we have sports stars, soccer stars, hockey stars just falling over and dying. Wake up, okay? This is people's lives. Stop caring water for the Democratic Party and Joe Biden. You cannot save him anymore. America does not like it. We are rejecting this.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:56:24

We will now go to Amy Blair to be followed by Matthew stress back. Hi, there can you hear me? Yes, we can please proceed

CommentAmy BlairProposedself-stated5:56:38

I just want to say thank you to the Board of Supervisors. Bob Nelson and save love on, you know, and. Joan, I think you guys all had some valid questions regarding the data that. Thank you very much. And that is disappointing. I think that you are using percentages and statistics to lie and to propagate fear, and that's very upsetting. There is a storm of information out there just this past weekend. There was a COVID summit in Florida where epidemiologists, virologists, pathologist like every expert spoke for several hours. And I did send each and every one of you a 15 minute clip so you could learn about all the other treatments that are actually working That now that they're saying the CDC has announced. That you can still transmit cobit.

By being fully vaccinated, so knowing that you can still transmit the disease by being vaccinated I have to ask you this question what is the purpose of the vaccine and to enforcing others to get it? Is it to stop the spread because as the article says, It's not possible because the vaccine. Countries in Singapore and Israel that are majorly fully vaccinated are still experiencing high cases, is it to reduce hospitalizations?

We already know from history that millions of people already had COVID and were asymptomatic and had mild cases. Is it to reduce deaths? We already know the death rate is already 0.1% and data showing that people are still dying from COVID. With the vaccination. So please help me understand the purpose of getting the vaccine, and furthermore mandating a vaccine knowing that these are all truths and just knowing that there are more side effects and deaths in 2021 from this new technology mRNA injection compared to the numbers of side effects and deaths from all the vaccines in the last 30 years combined.

And this being said, is your goal to improve the health of the community or is your goal simply to push an experimental product? What is your intention? I assume your intention is good. And he's walking around thinking he's gonna help himself. Why aren't we promoting actual health information to prevent you from getting COVID and make your disease actually better instead of just sending home people to die and forcing them to get a vaccine? None of this makes sense, I think everybody is understanding the nonsensical climate right now. And if you guys really wanna have a fair protest amongst all these people living

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role5:59:39

in fear-

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed5:59:42

We will now go to Matthew Strzpek to be followed by Terry Strickland.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction5:59:52

Hi, good afternoon.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed5:59:55

I have come here to this meeting again today to reason with you one more time regarding the fact that many of us in this community are being denied access to grocery stores and restaurants and the county MTD bus Children, parents of children are telling me that their children are coming home anxious and traumatized by being forced to wear a mask for eight or more hours a day.

And regarding the transportation in the county, this is a clear violation of our first amendment right to free assembly your mask mandate County supervisors which is yours now you own it. You are denying us full participation in this society How are we to remain healthy if we can't access grocery stores and buy the healthy food and water, we need to stay healthy.

Greg Hart can dismiss us as he did last week but our numbers are growing exponentially. Your support on the other hand is dwindling. And Henning Ansorg went to the press after last week's meeting and seemed to suggest that people in this county will be wearing masks for years to come This is unacceptable. You have given over your power to these two doctors, one of whom doesn't even have a medical degree and yet she thinks she has the authority to lock us in our homes, tell us to stand six feet apart from other human beings, restrict our breathing and now people want to have vaccine passports to get into different places in this county?

This is insanity and it must end. And we're going to begin litigating and doing injunctions And possibly even citizens arrests, which is our right as Californians and Sheriff Bill Brown has to honor that. Right? And Bob Nelson, you know, I came to you a while back and I encouraged you to pull the two doctors aside and try to reason with them here we are 20 months later, 20 months.

And not only has the situation remained the same, but it's gotten worse And now Los Angeles and San Francisco have vaccine passports. This must end. And I ask you today, Bob Nelson to please speak to this community that's been torn apart the fabric of this community has been torn apart by these mandates. And I'd like you to tell the people whether or not this board is prepared to ban face mask County wide and whether or not this board is prepared to ban vaccine passports countywide Thank you. Mr. Chair,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:02:43

I believe it is imperative that we answer implicit threats of violence such as the last speaker continues to enunciate with we are freedom loving people as well and no person here on this board and definitely not Vaughn is going to go quietly if some stranger comes up and attempts to kidnap them Whether they call it a citizen's arrest or not. And so the citizens arrest is an obvious and thinly veiled threat of violence.

And if somebody that supports my political ends threatens violence against one of my colleagues, That would be shameful. And it would be shameful for me to condone that, and yet public speaker after public speaker continues to condone Matthew's threat of citizen's arrest which is really a threat of kidnapping by force.

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction6:03:46

And that is despicable. Next speaker.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:03:54

We will now go to Terry Strickland to be followed by David Fisk, who is our final speaker. Terry? And Terry I

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction6:04:07

do see that you are on the phone so you may need to press star 6 to unmute yourself. I have unmuted you on this end. Again, you may need to hit star six

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:04:16

to unmute yourself. Terry will come back to you next.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction6:04:31

We will now go to David Fisk to be followed by Terry. Oh, Terry I see you are unmuted. Yes please proceed with your comments thank you.

GuestWilliamsProposed · by introduction6:04:42

So that sounded like a Brown Act violation to me or if that was Supervisor Hart I can't um I'm listening I'm not watching the public is free to speak and i don't think a citizen's arrest comment should get anybody that riled up anyway I'd like to recommend to anybody listening today to go to globalcovidsummit.org. As Amy Blair mentioned, this summit was held last Saturday in Florida and it is well worth your time to watch. 13,000 doctors all agree and have signed a declaration stating number one do not vaccinate your children. Number two people with natural immunity should have no restrictions on them And three, government should immediately cease telling doctors how to treat their patients. These 13,000 doctors who have signed this declaration are not conspiracy theorists.

They're world-renowned physicians. They have nothing to gain and much to lose by going public. They've spoken extensively about treatments for COVID that you won't hear from government agencies or doctors or the mainstream media. If you or a loved one has COVID please see their recommendations 80% of COVID patients in the hospital we know in the UK are vaccinated. The number in Israel is at least that high, if not higher.

Please quit saying the unvaccinated are the problem. 2,000 flight attendants have filed suit against a major airlines due to vaccine mandates and adverse reactions. There will be thousands of these lawsuits and counties will be among those sued even if they are just following the guidelines of the state The front page of the San Maria Times today has an article about vaccinating our kids. School principal said, I quote, the school was determined to keep students safe from COVID but also because current guidelines require any unvaccinated symptomatic students must be sent home for several days if they are vaccinated they don't have to go home end quote so vaccinated kids with symptoms will still be allowed in school How can that be when we all know you can get COVID and transmit COVID even if you're vaccinated?

Sounds to me like people making the rules don't want COVID to go away. I don't quite understand that, but I would like to know from the board these questions answers to these. When will your county health doctors start including natural immunity into their reports? This cannot be ignored any longer and yet still today it's ignored number two Explain why California has nearly 5,000 new cases yesterday. 47 deaths. Florida which is wide open had 269 new cases and zero deaths.

The supervisors have asked some good questions today but you have to keep asking. You know Supervisor Lavigne and I asked when will this end? My opinion even if we were 100% vaccinated At 100% vaccination rate, these mandates aren't going away.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:07:52

Thank you Mr. Clinton.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction6:07:55

We will now go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed6:07:56

to David Fisk who is our final speaker on this item.

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CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction6:08:04

Hi, good afternoon supervisors. Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed6:08:05

for having the meeting today and appreciate the chance to comment. I'm an infectious disease physician at Sansum Clinic and have been involved in the response and care for COVID infected individuals since the start of the pandemic. I want to comment and offer my strong support for extending the county mask mandate because this is one of the most important tools in our toolbox to fight the COVID epidemic and pandemic that's striking And making so many people definitely ill. There is extensive peer reviewed evidence in the literature supporting mask use showing 70% reductions to 70 to 79% risk reductions and transmission and acquisition of COVID.

And the real world settings, there's also extensive laboratory studies showing the reduction in aerosol dispersion from individuals who are infected and wearing masks. So they're presenting source control and reduction of risk to those that are around them. There's also extensive real-world studies published in journals such as NMWR, looking at communities that had mask mandates in effect versus those that did not have mask mandates in effect. And studying the rates of pediatric COVID infection, documented pediatric COVID infection after these communities returned to school. And they found that the rate of increase in COVID in the communities that did not have a mask mandate was more than twice the rate of increasing COVID.

for communities that had a mask mandate after these communities returned to school. And the importance of preventing COVID in children cannot be overstated, because obviously the acute illness itself is so terrible but the late effects of long COVID in children and dangerous inflammatory syndromes such as MIS-C that arise in children after COVID infection are critical illnesses.

Furthermore, if we look at evidence from our own community about masking and mask wearing, we saw that our healthcare community protected by masks before we had vaccines and almost all health care workers that acquired COVID in this community Before we had vaccines available to protect us, acquired it at times when they were not in the workplace and not masked. So they're requiring it at home or out in social gatherings as opposed to in the workplace where they were exposed regularly there are very few cases of COVID acquisition. I would close by saying the timing is bad to eliminate a mask mandate now because vaccine protection is reigning and people have not received their booster vaccine. So, the risk of them spreading the virus goes up and actually them getting sick goes up.

We are seeing occasional breakthrough cases of COVID in vaccinated individuals and we know they can transmit the virus. If you are vaccinated, your risk of death goes down by over 90%, but still if you are vaccinated and do acquire COVID, you can transmit it. So masking remains important in that population of people.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:11:22

Thank you Dr. Fiske. That is your time.

CommentDoctor Amy SmithProposed · by introduction6:11:25

And that was our final speaker. All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:11:27

right back to the board.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:11:31

Thank you and I appreciate everybody that spoke. I don't obviously agree with everybody but, you know, that's what public comment is all about so the one thing that I did hear that I thought really made a lot of sense was and it was something I had asked last week and if Dr. Reynoso is still around it's the question about natural immunity Even for somebody like myself that's had COVID and has been vaccinated after I got COVID, it wasn't a breakthrough. But I mean, I had it and then I was vaccinated and I'm looking to get the booster but what about those people that have had it?

What's their protection as opposed to somebody that's been vaccinated?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed6:12:15

We know that there have been several studies that published saying that if you've had it through an infection, you do have immunity. However the amount of antibodies in a natural infection appears to be lower than those with I'm We're going to be looking at how long it will last. So what we do have is the data from those who have gotten their vaccines.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.806:13:20

Okay, and I appreciate that but I do think it is something that somehow we've got a focus on because with the reality You know mandate, you're only going to get 80% of the people to follow suit. So there's always going to be that 20% out there and out of that 20%, it reasons that is a pretty high percentage of those because of the activities that they decided to go with have just opened themselves up to possibly getting COVID at a higher rate than anybody else. So between the two of those, it just seems like between vaccinated and people that have a natural immunity that we would be at a substantially closer to 100%. So however, we're able to track that if we're able to track that is something I'm very interested in and I would like to see staff kind of try to figure out a way and I don't know how other people are doing it but if you could Look into that.

I think that's something we should weave into our reports in the future.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:14:24

Thank you, Supervisor Levinino. Yeah as far as the natural immunity goes it might be interesting to look at those who've gotten COVID twice um as a way to look at that versus those who have had vaccine and then got COVID so I mean it seems I've heard of quite a few more breakthrough cases than than twice cases so it does even though there might not be as many antibodies It does seem to suggest that it may be more powerful holistically to have previously had COVID on having a severe reaction. So anyway, any other comments or questions from the board?

All right, Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed6:15:12

There was a couple of questions that you know one was about carpentry. There's two zip codes in Carpinteria, only one the smaller zip code has have has everyone that is over the age of 12 vaccinated, the larger zip code that isn't carpentry it does not know we're approaching 80%, so that's, that's pretty good. And people ask what's the reason? Well, the reason is pretty illicit of why vaccination is important. It's pretty clear on slide four.

You know our case rate for vaccinated individuals is 3.3. Our case rate for unvaccinated individuals is 18.3 It illustrates one of the clearest things, whether it's a mask mandate or other restrictions. The best way we can get out of all of this is to get more people vaccinated.

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:16:09

Thank you, Supervisor Williams. Can I get a motion to receive and file? So moved.

CommentDr. Amy SmithProposed · by introduction6:16:16

Second. All

UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:16:17

right. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. CEO Miyasato?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed6:16:24

Chair Nelson and board members, I do want to make an announcement. This came to our attention just as some of you saw on your phones just recently we do have a 911 outage right now throughout Santa Barbara County it's a 9-1-1 outage and this outage is preventing calls from reaching our public safety dispatch centers throughout Santa Barbara County, our cities as well as our Sheriff. It's unknown when the phone companies will be able to repair this issue. This is an issue with the phone companies And trying to understand why it's not getting to our dispatch center. So the event in the event of an emergency, the number to call is 805-683-2724 Because that number is not gonna be readily remembered by everyone, they can go to readysbc.org and if you have signed up for alerts, you should've gotten that alert on your phone.

I think our fire and sheriff are planning to potentially send out a WEA which is the kind of audible alert that you get when there's an emergency just to make sure everyone is aware of the phone number to call. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedChairProposed · by role6:17:35

All right, go ahead and adjourn today's meeting. And our next meeting is on November the 16th in Santa Barbara. Thank

CommentBill MochlerProposed · by introduction6:17:41

you.