BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 August 23, 2022

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.853:28

Good

Roll call, called by Unidentified speaker 2
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morning and welcome to the August 23rd meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in the Santa Maria Hearing Room. Madam Clerk, will you call the roll please? Supervisor Lavenino? Here. Supervisor Williams? Here. Supervisor Hart? Here Supervisor Nelson? Here And Chair Hartman? Here
Pledge of Allegiance, led by Bob Nelsonceremonial · click to expand · ≈13s recited, not transcribed
ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.843:47

Please stand and join me for the pledge

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.853:51

Ready begin I pledge allegiance to the flag

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.843:55

of the United States

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.844:08

Next order of business are the minutes from August 16, 2022. May I have a motion to approve the minutes?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:16

So moved.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.844:16

And a second?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:17

Second.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.844:18

Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Minutes are adopted. CEO report. CEO Miyasato.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:29

There is a report but I can't find it on my email for right now so I will come back to you. We'll go to Clerk Announcements

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.844:34

and then you signal to us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:37

Chair Hartman and members of the board, I do have a few announcements this morning. We posted an addendum to today's agenda on Friday August 19th amending the agenda to include an additional item on the closed session agenda. The closed session agenda was amended to include conference with legal counsel existing litigation paragraph one of subdivision D of government code section 54956.9 Jeffrey Arlington, the County of Santa Barbara et al. Santa Barbara County Superior Court case number 20CV03438. This addendum was posted online and has been made available to the board and the public.

Lastly, I would like to remind the public who are participating in our meeting today of the board's updated methods of public participation. For the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda please see page 2 of the agenda. Members of the public can attend meetings in person, both in the Santa Barbara Board Hearing Room Chambers as well as the Santa Maria Board Hearing Room Chambers.

Please note that the board is following all local and state guidelines and are no longer requiring face coverings indoors. If you attend the board meeting in person, you will no longer be required to wear a face covering but please be advised that the Public Health Department is still strongly encouraging all county staff and members of the public to mask and socially distance themselves in crowded areas.

I would also like to remind the public that if you require any special accommodations, please contact the Clerk of the Board to make that request preferably on the Friday prior to the board meeting. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment virtually may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing important information about joining the virtual meeting.

Once the chair has announced the item you want to comment on, please join the meeting with information provided. You will be placed on mute until it is your turn to speak. The clerk will call you by name and when removed from mute, you will hear a notification that your line has been unmuted. If you are using a touchtone phone, you may need to press star six to unmute yourself.

Each person may address the board for up to three minutes and this is at the discretion of the chair. If you have any questions please contact the clerk of the boards office at area code 805-568-2240 again that's 805 56822 40 and that concludes my announcements for today.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.847:13

Thank you, CEO Miyasato.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed7:15

Chair Hartman and board members this is just a quick recognition of an award that one of our departments won recently the county's climate change vulnerability assessment was selected for the 2022 American Planning Association Award of Excellence for innovation in green community planning The assessment was first recognized by the Central Coast Chapter of the American Planning Association, winning the local chapters local award. Its selection at the state level is a significant honor and we want to congratulate our long range planning team for achieving this award.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.847:48

That's extraordinary. And that's it. Turning then to our administrative agenda, I see that Supervisor Nelson has pulled items A3 and A12. Do any other board members have items they would like to pull? And Madam Clerk, any members of the public?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed8:07

Chair Hartman and members of the board. We have no requests to speak from the public on our administrative agenda.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.848:12

All right, would you read A3 into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed8:19

Chair Hartman and members of the board. Administrative item number three is from the Behavioral Wellness Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding a waiver of competition under County Code Section 2-39 for the purchase of pharmaceuticals.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.848:35

Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed8:36

Yes, thank you Chair Hartman. I'm hoping that the enrollment staff is available.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.848:41

Our director is here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed8:42

Oh there she is all right well thank you Mr. Barrow. Good morning. I just had a question on this item it's a waiver of competition for pharmaceuticals and this is paid for out of state and federal funds and I just wanted to Have the assurance this doesn't put us any additional audit risk with those funds. I know that's something that we're, as a board very sensitive to and so wanted to hear from you.

CommentBoard Hearing Room ChambersProposed · by introduction9:09

Yes today's resolution we're asking for an extension through December 2022. As you know staff and challenges in the department we've had significant vacancy in the contracts department. We are preparing the RFP to be released by the end of this month for a new competitive bid for this pharmaceutical service to ensure that this proprietor is still, we need to check. They were originally chosen in 2018 as they were the sole source pharmacy that could supply all the medications and drugs most commonly supplied by The Puff. Okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed9:40

thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.849:42

All right and

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.859:44

Madam Clerk A12

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed9:50

Chair Hartman and members of the board, administrative item number 12 is from the Planning and Development Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding an agreement for services with Blue Point planning for the preparation of a climate change adaptation plan and outreach strategies.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8410:06

Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed10:07

Nielsen. Thank you Chair Harmon, my question I had a little bit of correspondence with Director Plowman but i believe she might be on as well but um my concern with this uh contract is I wanted to make sure that the board has given sufficient direction on policy-wise before moving into this process and that we have the opportunity to have some updates in maybe direction from the board and then ultimately I want to make sure we have the opportunity as a board to weigh in throughout this process.

That we have options of kind of the low, medium and high. You know what's the minimum requirement to meet state law? Because I understand the reason why we're going about this in part is to satisfy a state requirement that we update our safety element. And so I just was hoping to get an explanation and some feedback from the director or her staff.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8411:14

Director Plowman

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed11:15

Yes Madam Chair, Supervisor Nelson and other board members. So we did receive some direction already when we brought the vulnerability assessment that we just talked about that received the award so we did receive some then and then there is a point in the process where we will be coming with a draft to the Board and then we'll be getting direction from the Board at that point in time And then incorporating the comments then and then of course, at our final adoption. We have the board certainly can make comments and we hear you about options that you're interested in seeing.

And also there's a fair amount of public participation and outreach that we're going to be undergoing. We have. We have nine stakeholder meetings and then we have three small group. Meetings and then A larger public outreach meeting, so there'll be a lot of interaction with the community on it. And we're certainly happy to work with the board and provide options.

And certainly I can be updating the board in my regular meetings with them on the progress.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed12:28

Thank you, Director Plowman. So just so you understand. What has been the direction that board's given on this? I know that we, we've asked to go ahead and prepare a climate action adaptation plan. But to me, that sounds like a very broad work project. And so I didn't know if there were some specifics policy that yeah, we'd actually had provided here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed12:48

So Madam Chair, Supervisor Nielsen. So there was some general discussion when we brought the vulnerability assessment to the board just about the future direction of the adaptation plan It wasn't I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that it was robust. But I would say that we did get some direction and some concerns or interests that were expressed by the board at that time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed13:14

Okay, well that's again where I'm coming from here is I want to make sure that as we enter into these projects it's um. I know that we have stakeholder outreach and whatnot but you know this the Board of Supervisors is the ultimate group of stakeholders as we represent all the um 450 000 people in Santa Barbara County so I think it's really important that um we are participants in these long-range plans especially this one it's going to take a year and a half before we Potentially we will see some type of update to the general plan here. So what would frustrate me is to go through this process and a year-and-a-half from now, we have a take it or leave it document that the board has and that we would have to then at that point accept it to comply with state law with the general plan and not have the options so I just want to make sure policy decision-making process of this board.

Absolutely.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed14:12

Understood.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed14:13

All right, so those are just my questions. Thank you Chair Herman.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8414:18

All right. So that brings us then I need a motion to approve the balance of the administrative agenda.

CommentSam BallacyProposed · by introduction14:26

Don't move. Second.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8414:27

All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? It's approved now general public comment Madam Clerk do we have anyone who would like to speak on matters not on today's agenda

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed14:39

Yes, Chair Hartman and members of the board. We have one request to speak on general public comment today and that is here in Santa Maria we are going to Dana Howard.

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PresenterDana HowardCommunications Outreach Recruitment and Enrollment for the California ConservatiProposedself-stated14:55

Yes, good morning board. My name is Dana Howard I am the Director of Communications Outreach Recruitment and Enrollment for the California Conservation Corps now i know that a few of you have met Mike Anderson our District Director um for San Luis Obispo and for the location here that we have in Santa Maria and I am headquartered in Sacramento so I run the recruitment and enrollment statewide for the CCC And I wanted to just take a quick moment to see if, how you could potentially reach out back to us. I'm going to leave with you a folder like this that will go to your staff. Ana Mejia who is our local recruiter here in Santa Maria her card is in there along with mine But I'm hoping that we might be able to find a way to collaborate, to be able to reach 18 through 25 year old adults here in Santa Maria especially to be able to participate in this statewide program.

We're not a company or not a non-profit. We are State of California Department so we are government and we run a program state mandated To give 18 to 25 year olds a leg up in getting their career started. We provide a high school diploma opportunity, we also embrace those who are justice involved but we are not an at risk program. So about 20% of our folks have college degrees when they come into the CCC.

Most have graduated high school and done some college. But the work and the paid training that they receive, $2,610 per month as a monthly stipend plus health insurance. That paid training that they receive leads to direct and defined career pathways to state organizations like Cal Fire, Caltrans, State Parks And as well, I'm hopeful that it can lead to direct career pathways with county and city governments as well. As we all strive to be able to improve the diversity and equity inclusion in our own staff at hiring.

We believe that the California Conservation Corps is just a huge opportunity to do that because we are an extremely inclusive organization and program, giving paid training to those get them ready for the workforce. So if there is any plea that I can make today is to be able to work with myself and with the California Conservation Corps to figure out ways that we can bring young adults especially here in the Santa Maria area to the Santa Maria Center. Now, with that said we also have fire programs to the south of you and to the north of you one in San Luis Obispo and one in Camarillo and Ventura County I realize they are outside your counties but they were receiving fire training that can spell right back into your own local county fire suppression and fire departments that diversity into the program.

We are really striving to get to a 50% level with women doing wildland firefighting and we believe that the California Conservation Corps has that opportunity to increase women both in the state fire departments and with county and local fire departments so please if you can give me some direction of who to reach out to and how to do that,

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8418:34

Supervisor Nielsen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed18:35

Yes, thank you Chairman. Thank you Mr Howard for being here. I was one of those supervisors that got a tour from Mr Anderson at the Santa Maria location that the City of Santa Maria has donated and made available and so it's a really exciting program and I want to thank you for being here and reminding all of us that this is something that's really important out there I heard that you said it's not an at-risk program, but at the same time when you're willing to have justice involved youth and whatnot. It does seem like they have some nexus there. One of the groups that the county is really trying to focus on is our transitional age youth that are coming out of foster care. And so I don't know if there's already a relationship there with social services that we can help to move along and connect.

Because it does seem like this is the type of focus that could help some of those young men and women that are coming out of the foster care system, A more traditional family might have and so we'd love to help try to make that possible for you as well as the rest of the general population of the Santa Maria Valley in Santa Barbara County.

PresenterDana HowardCommunications Outreach Recruitment and Enrollment for the California ConservatiProposedself-stated19:43

Great, that would be extremely helpful because we do have some relationship but we most certainly could make that stronger.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8419:49

CEO Miyasato, do you have any suggestions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:52

I was going to say Anna can contact our office and we can work out and figure out who the contacts would be just so you get one point of contact. There's a lot I'm sure that people will be interested in wanting to participate. And so we'll do our best. So we'll reach out after the meeting.

PresenterDana HowardCommunications Outreach Recruitment and Enrollment for the California ConservatiProposedself-stated20:06

Very good. Thank you. All right. Thank you all.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8420:08

Thank you for being

PresenterDana HowardCommunications Outreach Recruitment and Enrollment for the California ConservatiProposedself-stated20:09

here.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8420:11

Departmental item number 1, Madam Clerk, would you read that into the record please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed20:16

Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number one is from the Planning and Development Department. And it is a hearing to consider the withdrawal of the project regarding the Wholesale Rezone and Tentative Track Map Rezone 15RZN4 and Tentiative Track Map 15TRM11. And again I would just like to note for the record that this is on your agenda. The department is requesting a withdrawal of this item today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed20:43

Director Plowman. Oh Madam Chair yes yes I do have Ms. Shannon Reese she's the planner on this case and she's going to explain the circumstances to you

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8420:57

thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed20:58

Miss Reese

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed21:00

Thank You madam chair director Plowman so at this time the applicant doesn't have a current preliminary cannonball sir letter or proof of supplemental water To demonstrate adequate services and orchid planning area. Uh, and therefore the project is currently inconsistent with a few. Orchid community plan requirements that have to be complied with. Prior to discretionary action, and we can't make the findings for approval at this point so.

That's why we're proposing to remove. The item from the agenda, um, the applicant did not provide a hearing date for continuance. I don't believe that the applicant team is in attendance remotely. Perhaps they're there in the hearing room, but they might be able to speak further and staff is available for any questions about the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed21:55

removal.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8421:57

Thank you Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed21:59

Yes thank you this is in my district and I got a chance to talk to the applicant about The development standards in our community plan, that is a bit of a headache for this project. And there's been some back and forth and some interpretation issues that I'm working with county council to see if we can resolve. It would be my preference that we actually just continued it potentially to the next Santa Maria meeting in a month four weeks from now.

And at that time if we're unable to resolve those issues, then we can move forward with the withdrawal. But at this point I think I don't want to get them back to square zero and we all know what the process is to get back onto a board hearing is. And while these hurdles may be a little bit large right now, I'm hopeful in the next couple of weeks that staff can work with council and go on state water to resolve those issues so that we might be able to have this item here sooner than later.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8422:55

Let me start with County Council and then with P&D just to make sure that that would work and date certain.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed23:03

Madam Chair, yes, that would work for County Council.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8423:07

Ms. Reese, Director Plowman?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed23:11

Madam Chair, I think that's fine for the department.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8423:15

So then it would be a continuation till September 20th. Would you like to make that motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed23:20

Yes, thank

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8423:20

you. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:25

Chair Hartman and members of the board, we had no requests to speak on this item. Okay

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8423:29

Supervisor Nielsen? All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed23:29

right thank you Chair Hartman and thank you staff for indulging me on this so I'll make a motion that we continue item department item number one to September 20th here in cities are sitting in Santa Maria hearing. I'll second it.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8423:42

And all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Turning to item number two in our agenda Madam Clerk

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed23:55

Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number two is from the Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the California Enterprise Development Authority, CADA issuance of tax-exempt and or taxable revenue obligations for the benefit of Dunn School.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8424:15

Good morning Mr. Hagan

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role24:19

Good morning. This item before you today is a TEFRA hearing, which stands for Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. Section 147-f of the Internal Revenue Code provides the pathway for qualified 501c3 organizations to access the municipal markets. In this case it is Dunn School that has made the recommendation and the issuer would be CEDA, the California Enterprise Development Authority In an amount not to exceed 5.5 million dollars It is an item that the DAC heard on July 29th and approved for recommendation to your board And we have members from Dunn school, I believe it is Chad Stacy the CFO and then Sam Ballacy who was from Kutak Rock Your responsibility and if I step on your toes, Rachel please stop me is to approve the issuance and hold the public hearing.

And so the public hearing is demonstrating there's the public benefit for this project and the county is not the issuer it again at CETA. So we have no obligation either legal or moral for the repayment of these issues. And that concludes my opening presentation and if you have questions like I said there are members from Dunn and Kutek Rock that are available on Zoom.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8425:49

And do any board members have questions? Supervisor Nielsen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed25:51

Yes, thank you Chairman. And I do support and see there's public benefit here as an uncle of two earwigs. But so would we have the ability if we didn't see that there was a nexus there, that would be the chance for this board to hear from public that there wasn't public benefit? And then we'd make that finding and then it would stop. I'm just kind of curious because it is a little odd relationship that we have here with this process again not being responsible for these funds beyond this hearing.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role26:26

Yeah, to Roger Nelson to the chair. And so you're you are conducting the public hearing because the project is in our jurisdiction and I guess you can make that finding

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed26:39

and

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role26:39

it

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed26:40

but then that would stop the process at point. Just kind of curious on process. I was trying to explain this to my staff yesterday and it was a little, um, I had difficulty so I was just trying to understand exactly what influence we have in this process moving forward. Yeah sure Nelson to

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role26:55

the chair or Supervisor Nelson to the chair. Um, I've done about 20 of these. I've never had one not go through. So that's kind of uncharted territory for me to be honest with you

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8427:09

I assume it's a ministerial act, but I guess we'd have to turn to our county council.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed27:16

Madam chair members of the board, I'm not sure either, but I can take a look at that if you have that answer prior to the.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:24

The purpose of this hearing, it's a moot case. Obviously since it is at least for the supervisor, it does meet the necessity of public benefits so I can do some research on it.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8427:36

And we can follow up with you as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:38

Thank you

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8427:38

and I'd like to know if anyone from Dunn School would like to make some comments that it is in the third district and as Supervisor Nelson has alluded, it it's treasure in our community. We're so glad to have it But if anybody from Dunn would like to speak

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8527:54

up.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8428:02

So nobody's rushing to chime in.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed28:06

This is Sam Balcy, I don't know if you can hear me.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8428:09

Absolutely we can, loud and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed28:11

clear. Okay great so this is Sam Balcy from QTAC and I can if i can take a minute I'm happy to address the earlier question from the supervisor yeah no I want like to make things as kind of simple as possible um so the internal revenue code sets up a procedure that requires a public hearing prior to the issuance of tax-exempt bonds that benefit a I'm going to go ahead and open it up.

You know, consider the issuance of tax-exempt debt for the benefit of a nonprofit. And the board has gracefully done that before and passed other projects that CETA has brought to the county. And I suspect also you've done numerous public hearings for low and moderate income housing, you know, that has been in the county's jurisdiction. So it's a requirement and it is somewhat ministerial but it does give the board It's a great opportunity to consider the project and the applicant and so forth.

And I think as has been expressed, most of the TEFRA hearings are somewhat routine if you will because the projects have been generally vetted. This project has to receive approvals for the improvements that they're gonna complete on So while it's fairly routine, the board sort of still does retain discretion if it doesn't like a particular project not to approve it at a public hearing. But consistently I think for projects in our experience and up and down the state, TEFRA hearings are fairly routine and the projects are routinely approved.

And I know the Dunn School is appreciative. I don't know if Chad's there, maybe he's having some technical difficulties but they're continuing to make improvements. A large component of this project would be to enhance the wastewater treatment system that they have on the property and refurbish buildings and so forth. So it's further enhancements for the campus.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8430:30

Thank you both for that explanation of the project and the process.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed30:37

You're welcome.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8430:40

Madam Clerk, any public comment on this matter?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed30:42

Chair Hartman and members of the board we have no request to speak on this item.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8430:46

May I have a motion to approve?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed30:48

I move approval.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8430:50

A second? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Item number three madam. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed31:05

Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number three is from the Social Services Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding home delivery of meals to seniors and disabled in Santa Barbara County.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8531:27

Good morning Mr. Nielsen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed31:47

Great, thank you.

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated31:48

Good morning Chair Hartman and Supervisors I am Daniel Nielsen your Director of the Department of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health Department with me today is Mark Contois the Division Chief over the In-Home Supportive Services and Adult Protective Services programs and the person primarily responsible for gathering the information that i'm going to share with you today In December of 2020, I became involved in your board's efforts to provide bridge funding to the organizations in the county that were providing home delivered meals to seniors and disabled.

Some of whom had communicated to your board that they had been severely impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic At that time, your board provided a total of $200,000 to assist programs in need for two months period of time. And my department facilitated the dispersal of those monies to assist programs who can meet minimal documentation requirements. Since early 2021, multiple providers of senior nutrition have approached board members individually or the board as a whole to ask for financial assistance.

The purpose of my presentation today is simply to educate your board at a summary level on the services currently being provided by the nine nonprofit meal delivery providers in the county, as well as other associated providers. It is my hope that this information will empower you with a general understanding of those providing services and those being served.

To gather this information, we created a survey to elicit the number of people being served, any eligibility criteria for participation, the use of paid versus volunteer drivers, the cost per meal of each provider, how their programs were financially supported, and the number of meals being provided each week. Mr. Contweis then proceeded to engage the executive leadership of each program in order to obtain as complete and accurate information as possible.

When looking at the current array of services being provided and the size of the population being served, it is important to recognize that the COVID pandemic changed the landscape in meal delivery to seniors and the disabled. Prior to the pandemic home deliveries were focused On people who have limitations making it difficult for them to leave their homes, to go to a congregate meal site at a senior center or to obtain food from a grocery store and prepare it themselves.

Not only did COVID shut down congregate meal sites, the pandemic caused seniors and the disabled to be cautioned to stay home and not venture out to restaurants or grocery stores. And the programs serving those populations did everything they could to meet this increased need. The current public health emergency has been extended to October 13, 2022 and it is likely to be extended again as the 60 day notice promised prior to this being lifted at the federal level has not occurred as of this time.

We identified nine nonprofits in the county that are providing home delivered meals to seniors and the disabled. They vary in terms of how many times per week they deliver, how many meals per week they provide, whether they deliver hot meals, bagged meals or refrigerated meals. What their suggested donation is per meal from the clients, whether they use paid or volunteer drivers, how they fundraise, how they obtain their food, what geographic areas they serve and how they identify who is eligible for their services.

The following five slides summarize some of this information. Table one shows that there are 2,419 clients being served with 8,850 meals per week and some of those meals are hot, some refrigerated and some bagged. Please keep in mind that these numbers are not static and they vary from week to week. Table two shows the range of costs per meal and the range of suggested donation by recipient.

The cost per meal is impacted by whether or not volunteer drivers are used, whether or not the administration of the program is volunteer or paid. Whether the meals are purchased or prepared by the provider and other factors. Table three shows the sources of funds as best we could ascertain, as this information was provided verbally by the providers. You can see in table three that a little over one-third of the total funds obtained to support the programs are coming from fundraising and charitable donations and unspecified sources.

Table four shows that five of the programs obtain their meals from a contracted provider, while four of the programs prepare the meals themselves. One program uses paid drivers exclusively, five programs use volunteer drivers exclusively and three programs use a combination of both. This slide shows the level of general fund support in the current year To four of the programs by way of the Human Services Commission and an action stemming from the June 14th budget hearings.

This slide shows the level of support requested and awarded from community development block grant funds. And this slide shows the general fund contribution that flows through the Department of Social Services to the Area Agency on Aging as the local match for their Federal Older American Act funding. All totaled in the current fiscal year, the county is contributing $166,974 to six programs as listed on this and the prior two slides.

The revenues previously shared do not capture several things, including the value of volunteer staff, volunteer drivers, donated food and other non-monetary supports that keep the programs operating. It is important to highlight that the Food Bank of Santa Barbara County provides fresh produce, dairy and other foods on a countywide basis, including to some of the organizations providing home delivered meals.

Also, the Wisdom Center which is a for-profit licensed healthcare facility provides many services to their clients including meals at their site as well as home delivered meals. While our initial focus in conducting our survey in order to make this presentation was on the providers we soon recognized that you would not have a complete picture of home delivered meal services without spending a moment focused on some of the challenges faced by the recipients of these services.

Some of the recipients have an inability to manage food that is intended to be consumed over several days due to their refrigeration capacity, lack of appliances for warming food and cognitive or physical limitations in remembering or being able to prepare the food for consumption. Further just like all of us recipients have certain foods that they like, certain foods that they will tolerate and certain foods that they won't eat If the meals are not consumed in their entirety, the nutritional value intended for the recipient is diminished.

Lastly prior to COVID an important part of the Home Delivered Meals program was the regular interaction with the drivers delivering the meals. With the onset of COVID some programs shifted to delivering more meals at a time and less frequently which meant that deliveries were occurring Maybe once a week or once every other week instead of three or four days a week.

And some programs shifted to dropping off meals on the person's porch, rather than having direct contact with the recipient in order to avoid any health concerns for the recipient or the driver. I want to point out that while we did not find long waiting lists with the programs, and there was only one program that had a short waiting list. That was not the case in January of 2021 when I was acting on behalf of your board dispersing at $200,000 to the programs. And at that time there were quite a few programs that have long waiting lists and the money that you provided cause those to be taken care of.

So there's a great volatility over time, depending upon the current funding of the programs as well as the number of people that are raising their hands saying that they are in need. The eventual lifting of the public health emergency will impact some of the programs in terms of who are they are able to utilize their funds to continue to serve at home. Currently, the public health emergency allows for federal funds to be used for people to be served in their homes without any limitations on their abilities at home and so once the public health emergency gets lifted those people would have to return to receiving their meals at our congregate meal site However, it is not known at this time if the previously established congregate meal sites will be able to be reestablished in the same numbers and at the same locations.

It is important to understand that some of those currently served by home delivery do not have deficits in the activities of daily living and In conclusion, the COVID pandemic has reshaped the structure of many programs that provide meals to seniors and the disabled in our community. The good news is that many of the programs in operation prior to the pandemic have been able to be resilient in adapting to drastically changed circumstances and there are not significant waiting lists for services.

However, what future operations look like post-pandemic and post the federal public health emergency remains to be seen. It is clear that our county is benefiting from a significant level of investment on the part of non-profit programs that deliver meals in one form or another, the food bank and other providers. Those working for and volunteering with all of these organizations are passionate and committed.

And I'm happy to take your questions.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8443:06

Thank you Mr. Nielsen. Questions from the board? Supervisor Lavinino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8543:13

I really appreciate the report. It's been frustrating, seems like every year at budget time you know we get these last minute requests and while they are obviously we all want to make sure that any senior disabled individual out there is receiving a meal if they want it. The numbers are...I don't want to say they're insignificant dollar-wise but for the county You know, it's not that much money. It's just I want to make sure that it's going in the right place and being spent wisely.

So got a few questions. I really appreciate you bringing this because kind of gives us the macro level view of this. So who...you don't need to name them but are the ones that didn't respond? Are they significant players in the piece of this? I mean are we missing

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated44:02

No supervisor through the chair was not missing we were mr. Contreras was able to make contact with all of the programs There were a couple of programs where we were not to get able to get as much of the information We were seeking as others and that's why the numbers in the charts represent I kind of like in that neighborhood reality than precise, right? But we should be in the ballpark

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8544:27

okay, so I guess my biggest question is Which, what significant or did you find significant gaps that we could develop a strategy around? That's not just writing a check but What did we really find that was missing, that we're not addressing? That was kind of the missing piece for me. Was what was the takeaway I see that we're doing a great job of this and there's people out there you know there's a lot of groups that are working on this but what is the takeaway of what's missing that we can provide

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated45:04

Supervisor Levin, you know through the chair I've been struggling with that question for many years. Okay, especially the past two years since dealing with that $200,000 right in my prior county as part of my agency I had the triple a I had the area Agency on aging is part of my agency and we provided The home delivered meals and the congregate meals to the entire county.

And so, the model we have in this county of multiple providers now we found at the current time nine nonprofits doing this at the time I was dealing with the coven related money that there was 11. So there's been some fluctuation. As you know, the Area Agency on Aging lost their contracted provider and took over doing it themselves and are in the process of looking for a new contracted provider.

So this array of multiple providers throughout the county is a positive in the sense that there are very committed people To serving those parts of their community in doing volunteer work, driving raising money. But then you know it becomes as I ponder it. I look at well they all rely on fundraising. They all rely on donations from the people there serving and so when those monies go down and the need goes up then there's a gap right? And so that's a gap They all struggle, and I was impressed that currently basically there are no waiting lists other than in one program. And those are pretty much resolved within a week or two of when the people identify themselves.

But they each have their different models of how they obtain food and how they provide it. Some of the programs have additional services in addition to food that they provide to the people they're serving. So it's really hard to answer the question of what's the gap. I mean, the obvious gap on an ongoing basis is money or the consistent flow of money but in terms of structure they each have their own unique structure

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8547:12

I don't want to step in and try to take that over either. I think these groups are doing an outstanding job, the fact there is not a waiting list leads us to that conclusion. I was also impressed with the wide range of sources for income as well. So federal, state, local charity donations and the actual people with the meals some of them providing money too so Okay, well I feel better about the fact that we've delved into this. We've looked at it. I'm not sure that there's a model that would work better than what we currently have and I'm okay with at our funding level right now of what we provide when we need to provide it and I guess that's what we are is the backstop when it hits the fan, right? So I appreciate the report.

I guess there is no silver bullet that says, OK, if we did X and everything would be a lot better. But I think this gave me what I was looking for. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8448:20

Supervisor Williams?

CommentSam BallacyProposed · by introduction48:22

Well, I mean, I think I'm probably okay if this is If the funding level was as it is today using this model, but I would say that I'm very uncomfortable expanding it without some kind of criteria or process. Essentially we are funding the programs that we know and that come to us without any kind of competitive process, without any criteria of what the cost is supposed to be.

And I think us chipping in a little bit here and there is fine but I think what is ultimately going to be asked of us is probably something more than that and if that's the case then we should be Setting up something either. I mean, 1 would be a competitive RFP process process where you go okay who can give it to us and provide this service for the least cost?

Or B, some criteria of what served and under what cost. I guess that would be another option. So A would be a competitive process. B would be a criteria-based. C would be we just say look, we're willing to spend this much money and we're willing to put 50 cents, chip in 50 cents or 30 cents per meal. And we'll give it to anybody who can provide it at that amount.

And so, but I figure we got to do one of those three if we're going to expand our participation.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8450:20

Supervisor Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed50:22

Yes, thank you Chair Hartman. And to respond to I have two comments one is about this what's that formula look like and I think Supervisor Williams is on to something there. You know I think there's a baseline that needs to be provided for and um you know there are options out there that are obviously lower costs right? I mean if it goes from 350 to 15 dollars there's there's a huge array there um you know there's Refrigerated meals can be delivered to your door from a, you know, UPS driver or US Postal Driver to meet those minimum requirements.

And so making sure if we do kind of create that funding formula like what is how many people in each of these programs meet the criteria that they couldn't do this on their own? Kind of as census initially because there are obviously some And I use that as a broad term. You know, and so those are actually part of our safety net that we need to make sure that we're caring for which ones are those initially? And then what is the minimum level service that we as a county should be providing to them to make sure that it's humane?

And so, you know, and then if the service wants to go above that and wants to make sure that it's you know it's fresh. You know it's more fresh and they want to use that as their kind of baseline to enhance services to their community that seems like that would be something well worth doing, and something I could give a lot of value to the volunteer groups.

The one other point though I think that we don't capture here with dollars and cents is that when these are delivered in person by another human being, this is sometimes the only contact that some of our seniors have. And that's the other part that's kind of odd here you know if we're having something delivered up by a postal worker there's no contact there there's just a drop off on a door there's no check for welfare if there's an issue that needs to be I know that's a really hard to quantify. I do think there is some value there that we need to at some point in the process recognize because otherwise, I think it's important for us to look at what we can do in the long run to make sure that we're serving our seniors that are vulnerable.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed53:05

Well, the thing that strikes me with the presentation is how small the county's financial contribution is to this whole system. I think our discretionary dollars are 5% of the total amount that's being generated privately by the organizations and the fundraising efforts and then the state and federal funds. So it's an enormously effective program from the counties. Can

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8453:29

I follow on that? Does this include the Human Services Commission grants

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated53:35

Yes, Chair Hartman that there was the one chart that had the awards that are made by them.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8453:43

Thank you for allowing me to insert that question

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed53:46

so I'm not sure what our 5% gets us at the table. There obviously may be gaps that we could look at filling with additional resources but changing what this very effective system is doing seems a little bit Dangerous.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8454:05

Could I jump in? I think the fact that there aren't waiting lists isn't a good indicator of whether there's need or not. I believe that these programs, I can speak for the Buellton Senior Center, you know they'll by hook or crook find some way But you can't imagine the cost administratively, psychologically to the organizations having to scramble for funding. Having to go to the city, go to the donors that they'll do anything but they have to spend a lot of time raising money when they would rather be doing things like they have a phone system to check on people getting out there.

So unlike others I think we don't have a system that's working very well I think we have to think about COVID and the system short term, and then longer term. The organization that we had that was overseeing it said, We can't afford to do this anymore. That should be some signal to us there are real issues here. And while I would never want to interfere with how Intensely, these nine organizations are committed to this. I really think we need some broader overarching criteria or structure for this. I know the food bank is very much involved at some point they would like to have a bigger kitchen long term they could provide some of these meals Perhaps I think there's community partners in caring that does transportation, they could be enlisted.

We may have community paramedicine so I think this is something that we really need to think about in a bigger context for where we're heading on this and how Coordinate the system better. I realize it's easy to say well, we we give our little bit and and we're done but This is fundamental to the county social safety net And so I think at least interim I like supervisor Williams that that we give a certain amount per meal or week But longer term, I really believe we have to Work with the community partners and figure out or have somebody figure out a better more comprehensive strategy because it I mean, let me go back to the Buellton Senior Center They didn't get funded this year and they they didn't get funded through the grant process And so we were able To get them money through each board member having some to allocate but They were thinking they'd have to sell their building.

I mean, they were desperate and I suspect they're not the only ones so we'll open it up for public comment after Supervisor Lavinino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8557:22

Well let's get the public comment because mine is no longer a question. Mine is more discussions.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8557:30

Madam Clerk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed57:31

Chair Hartman and members of the board, we do have one request to speak on this item and we are going to remain here in Santa Maria for Howard Green. Howard?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed57:44

Thank you for your giving this great assignment to Mr. Nelson and I was pleased listening to last week's meeting that he now also has involvement with the health side of the county and when I looked at the website, the county meals and food and nutrition seem to really straddle those two There was a point in time, I think that the sheriff had a kitchen that was used and there was also a time that the school district had a kitchen that was used for preparing some of the meals.

My reason for being here is as a professional planner Looking ahead, contingency plans. I mean, I think we all know there's a contingency that the emergency will end. We don't know when and so what I would hope there could be a concerted effort to lay out for the whole county really what operations right now have been suspended And how will the county restore them?

So I am looking really ahead. There are facilities that I'm familiar with in the city of Santa Barbara where I live, That are closed right now. There's a huge fence around the data center, right in downtown I guess the lawn mowers can go but the other activities there aren't or not so it would seem like Both the cities and the county need to lay out for all departments what the stage plan is.

When the announcement is 30, 60, 90 days away, what will happen 60 days in? 30 days in and have in essence two or three contingency plans. I don't know what they might all be. Kitchens might be a contingency Providers, transporters, servers. Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:00:08

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:00:10

and that concludes public comment on this item.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:00:12

Supervisor Lavineto?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:00:14

Thank you I think it's important for us to talk to the keep the open line of communication with the nine organizations that are doing this right now And the built in senior center, outstanding organization. All of these though I bet if you went to them do not want to give up this portion of their deal because for them while we do say it's tough to fundraise.

There are things that are harder to fundraise for than others. Fundraising for providing meals to seniors who are in their homes would seem like one of those easy asks that many of these organizations may use that as part of the fuel to fund some of the other portions of their, of their work. So I don't want to come in and step in and say, Hey, uh, and I don' think that's what you're asking for, but Setting up criteria and especially as Greg said we're a small piece of the financial puzzle.

And right now, and I guess what what i'm hearing is we want to become a bigger piece of the puzzle. I'm not sure I want to be a bigger piece of the financial puzzle I just want to make sure that jobs getting done. I don't necessarily think we as the county need to do it if it's providing A set dollar amount per meal, then I guess we do have to come up with criteria that says well how much of the meal. How much is that meal going to cost? So I guess this opened up a lot more questions than it provided answers for but that's right. That's how we get to the final stage of where we want to get. We all have the same idea. We all want to make sure every senior and disabled person that's in this county is getting the meal Um, when they need it. So how we go about doing that I guess is the big thing but I don't want to get all involved in over governmentalizing this where you know everybody's got to fill out an application and you know there has to be criteria and then you know this is probably the wrong community for that and maybe the paperwork side of it has to be done by the organizations and not the individuals and then we provide funding to the organizations but The question I guess we have to ask ourselves fundamentally, is this working or isn't it working?

And I don't know how we know it's not working if we don't have the lists. So if there's not a waiting list what's the other way to figure out if it's working outside of we just you know know individuals that aren't getting the support. I guess that's a way my neighborhood I see many individuals in my block getting meals delivered and But I just don't, I don't want to be the person that comes in and tries to take this over. I think that's a big mistake. Um, I look at other ways where we provide funding for organizations like library funding and try to come up with things that make everybody happy. It generally is very difficult work to do. So, um, I think it'd be interesting though, to get feedback from the nine organizations of how they see our role in this outside of writing a check

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:03:27

Well, I'll jump in just with a little more background. I guess it was 50 years ago that the Meals on Wheels program was actually created by the federal government which funds about one-third of it. Just last week the first national Meals on Wheels conference took place in Baltimore after COVID And they were really mapping out Meals on Wheels and how, what it looks like now and how it's evolved.

And I think they're finding the same thing we're finding here that needs and things have changed. One thing is I'm going to start by saying thank you to all of you for being here today. Thank you so much for joining us. And I think it's important for us to make sure that they're okay. That is something that really needs to be woven into this program in making sure that it's getting done and the cost of meals, I mean the cost of food we know from inflation making sure that they're balanced meals so all of these are and then the transportation door dash I agree that we don't want to take it over, but from my perspective if we could provide some certainty because that is at least in the short term. To have these nine organizations have to struggle so much to raise money and submit the grant applications.

I mean, that can't be any more difficult than an RFP or a set amount that we give per meal. But I think short term, we want to provide some financial support long term. I think we would like to see some organization develop a better framework so that we have certainty that these needs are being We don't have to do it, but I would certainly be happy to fund somebody to do it so that I have that certainty. Supervisor Williams?

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CommentSam BallacyProposed · by introduction1:05:58

Yeah, I think that's that. I think we're the reason why I'm maybe coming up with something that was bigger is because. The reason why we're here is because we were being asked during coded for a significant increase in say. With six zeros behind it increase in our level of participation. And so, you know I'm, you know it's not my desire to at all to micromanage their operations and if this is what they're going to do and they're going to continue doing it At this scale and all that's required from us is 167,000 or 168,000. I don't need us to do anything different but if this need that was acute during COVID continues or demographically is the trend, then I'm just saying we ought to have some way of doing it fairly so that some areas of the county might get services easier than others.

Or some areas of the county have the organizations and don't, or some groups Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the public. offer that way if an organization has the capacity to do a nicer meal. We're not penalizing them for that, but we're trying to hit at the basics and provide a service that is conceivably could be countywide.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:08:11

I have a question for Mr. Nielsen. What is the Area Agency on Aging I mean could they do this?

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:08:21

Chair Hartman, the Area Agency on Aging in theory if there were no other providers in the county besides the Area Agency on Aging they would in theory be able to address the entire county with necessary level of funding. And so their prior contract that they had, the ask at that time I think was for, I can't remember 500,000, 600,000 ongoing. I can't remember from a couple of years ago when the contractor said we can't keep doing this anymore without significant ongoing county support so that we don't have to keep doing that level of fundraising So we have our match of local funds that goes to the AAA to match the Older American Act funding they received. But if there were no other providers in the county, they would have a very long waiting list.

I'm not sure how long because it would depend on how much the financial support going through these other programs shifted to them.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:09:33

My question is more the organization of the existing nine or more

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:09:38

entities,

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:09:39

not what they provide.

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:09:41

Okay yeah sure I'm sorry um I misheard you so Chair Hartman I would not be able to speculate I mean In theory, any organization could play the orchestra leader over but it would require the cooperation of all those other agencies to be willing to do that. And so I think that the question that Supervisor Lavanino asked earlier in terms of what is it that they want from the county beyond money?

would be a very interesting question to have an answer to, to see, to kind of gauge their perspective of willingness for not necessarily oversight but coordination or something like that.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:10:25

So that may be a first step Supervisor Hart?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:30

Yeah I do think that's the only first step is to ask the providers that are doing 95% of the work

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:10:36

what they could use in the way it helps

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:10:47

I see a lot of nodding. Can we put that into emotion? We, um, we have to receive and file and provide direction. And so.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:59

I guess I'd make a motion to have staff reach out to the nonprofit organizations that are providing meals for seniors and disabled people in Santa Barbara County, to ask them how they would be interested in partnering with the county to help their work.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:11:19

And I think that would include The Food Bank which is engaged in providing food to these nine organizations.

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:11:28

And can I just ask a clarifying question to make sure, so is that like just broadly or is that non-financially? I

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:11:39

think

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:11:39

broadly.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:11:40

They're obviously going to say financial support but maybe the qualitative aspect of it is really important to that conversation too. Okay thank

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:11:47

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:11:48

Can

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:11:49

I?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:11:49

Of course.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:11:50

You know I think if we I like broad, but I think if we do broad we're going to get back the one thing and that's gonna be like I need an extra $100,000 a year. So I think in the scope of it we know the answer is money so let's kind of take that out of it. And I think maybe saying you know what outside of financial Or prioritize it, I guess maybe because that's going to be the number one answer we're going to get from everybody is oh this is an ask from the county. How much money do we need to do it again next year? And I just kind of want to make sure either way we have staff.

Ask it in a manner that we already know what the number one answer is. We'd really like to know better like how do we better? Is there a way too? You know what do you need from us outside of a paycheck?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:12:42

And it may be not just from us, but what is it that you need going forward? And we might develop a set of questions. Not just one question.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:12:57

So I'm curious, is there a working group from all these nine or do they talk to each other or how does this work? Supervisor Leveny knows who the chair know.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:13:09

Supervisor Williams

CommentSam BallacyProposed · by introduction1:13:10

I just ask that if we're making them talking to folks that we also talk to the entities that were providing it. Um, that are no longer because there's several of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:13:21

those. Yeah,

CommentSam BallacyProposed · by introduction1:13:22

I mean, uh, um. There's 1 down in Carpinteria 2 Carpinteria Children's project so but the CAC and. But I think, I would hope that we're gonna do something nuanced because I think where we started this was when they were pooling their ask to us. And how that was asked of them was how much money do you need? Right and then so and I guess my point is that's not a good way for us to fund something just ask people how much money do you need So I think, you know, I think Daniel understands that it's more nuanced than that. But figuring out maybe more what system they would want for help is just as important as asking them what do they need? Mr. Nielsen,

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:14:29

Could you, I mean can you do this or can Mr. Conrights, can the department do this and what?

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:14:36

Chair Hartman yes we can do this. My department does not have any services or any funding related to senior nutrition but I volunteered back during the pandemic to deal with 200,000 because of my prior experience in my prior county of understanding these operations And was happy and actually anxious to do this survey this time, and to come share the information because Supervisor Lavinino made me feel very satisfied in his comment about having more questions now than he did before. Because that's how I feel as I continually struggle with what's the path forward or what ideas to have?

So I'm perfectly happy to craft a, it's gonna be different this time, Survey that would go to the directors of each of the organizations, asking them three or four questions open-ended to elicit from them their perspective about what they need or what they would like to see in terms of partnership with the county or other entities. And then bring that information back and I can submit a written report to your board or I can bring it back in an open session To share that and say here's what they say they need in terms of other, I mean we can certainly ask like money can be on there. It sounds like that's a desire but the focus, the thing that will be interested by is the other stuff.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:16:06

Yeah, and I think you know short term during COVID emergency and then longer term where what are their needs? Where are we heading? What our new needs again like the pet food or health check ins. I mean, I think trying to get a broader sense of how different organizations are addressing these needs would be helpful.

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:16:32

So I am happy to create that survey with the help of my staff and to get that sent out, and to bring back the information. I think Assistant CEO Nutmusnisch would probably want to make a comment in terms of long term where this would live related to any potential funding in the future.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed1:16:53

Yes, thank you. Just as a reminder of the funding that was allocated to assist us in doing this work was through ARPA and we did have the $600,000 dedicated and that funding actually needs to be obligated by December 20th of 2024 and spent by December of 2026 So I imagine we could do the surveying, the convening, come back with a report and then also look at the current metrics used by the Human Services Commission to evaluate the funding that they currently provide to the agencies that have listed here so that we can glean anything from that process as well.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:17:30

So you would be working with the department and Mr. Condoy's in this process? Supervisor Hart, your light.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:17:40

Yeah I just thought that your last comment was really appropriate because i think it's we're taking the opportunity to recognize that we really benefit from an amazing array of non-profit organizations that are doing incredible work that organically has developed over time with a lot of passion and a lot of expertise and we're trying to say to them we want you to continue we want to support you in ways to allow you to continue your work and expand, and the needs are going to be different from organization to organization depending on their leadership and their level of enthusiasm. But we also want to kind of look around the corner and see what our emerging needs obviously, you know older residents or a growing demographic that have different needs and that we'd like to understand some of those better to be positioned in the future to address those as the opportunity presents itself.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:18:28

So I think we don't have a second yet, but the motion is then to receive and file the report. And for DSS to develop a qualitative set of questions about shorter term, longer term and report back to the board about the needs. Is that clear enough for our clerk?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.851:18:51

And that's a second.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:18:52

And and Supervisor Lavinino has seconded. So any further discussion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:19:01

Chair Hartman, members of the board I'm sorry did you also include a recommendation C for CEQA?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:19:06

Yes, staff recommendation is what I said and direction according. Thank you OK. And I don't see any further discussion so all in favor say

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:19:22

aye.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:19:24

Any opposed? Passes unanimously

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:19:26

thank you

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:19:27

and just ballpark how long do you think it'll take to do that another For six months.

PresenterDaniel NielsenDepartment of Social Services and your Interim Director of the Public Health DepProposedself-stated1:19:34

Oh, not that long. This is the end of August September October we will have it out before the end of September. We'll create it. I'll run it past assistant CEO must message to make sure she concurs with how the questions are asked and and the totality of what's being asked. And then will send it out to the directors of each And then do follow up prompts if we don't hear back. When I was dispersing the $200,000, we sent the RFI to all 11 providers and we didn't hear back from several of them right? So we're not necessarily going to have responses from everybody but we will send it out to the right people, do a follow-up prompt and then come back and report on what responses we did get.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:20:24

Well, thank you. And I think what you have given us a great description of what exists right now and now you're trying to figure out what we need for the future. So I really appreciate all the work that goes into this. All right. Turning to county council. What's for closed session today?

CommentClerk AnnouncementsProposed · by introduction1:20:43

Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the board. We have one case of anticipated litigation deciding whether to initiate civil litigation. We've got conference with labor negotiators for employee organizations, all bargaining units on representative employees managers and executives. And the agency designated representatives are CEO Miyasato and Human Resources Director Dick Rivera.

And conference with legal counsel existing litigation, it's Arlington versus County of Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara Superior Court case number 20CV03438. And the time estimate is about an hour.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:21:22

So that means we're back at 1130 but we have completed our business agenda so the exact time is less critical We're reconvening the meeting of August 23rd, 2022 of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors here in the Santa Maria hearing room. County Council will you please report out from closed session?

2:58 – 2:597 turns

CommentClerk AnnouncementsProposed · by introduction2:58:00

Thank you Madam Chair, members of the board. The board met in closed session on three items. One item of anticipated litigation deciding whether to initiate civil litigation conference with labor negotiators for all bargaining units, unrepresented employees, managers and executives and one case of existing litigation Arlington versus County Santa Barbara and the board took no reportable action.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.842:58:22

Thank you, and with that we're adjourned. Madam Chair, I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.852:58:25

have a special announcement.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.842:58:27

Okay.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.852:58:28

Although there was no reportable action, there is some reportable action coming up next week which is, I believe two of our members have birthdays so I think we should join in singing happy birthday to our board members.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:58:44

Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday dear Tony and Greg, happy birthday to you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.852:58:59

And with that we are adjourned.