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2022 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors to order here in the Santa Barbara hearing room. Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?
Supervisor Hart?
Here.
Roll call, called by Clerk of the Board
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The next item of business is approval of the minutes from our August 30th, 2022 meeting. May I have a motion?
So moved.
Second. And any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously.
CEO Miyasato. Good morning board members. I have nothing to report except that there were two events held recently and I think we wanted to have a quick report on those. One is for the 50th annual Elks Law Enforcement Appreciation Dinner that Supervisor Lavenino will speak to and the 9-11 Memorial. I know Chair Hartman had some comments.
Thank you, CEO Miyasato. I just wanted to highlight Supervisor Nelson and I were able to attend the 50th Annual Law Enforcement Dinner at the Elks Lodge in Santa Maria. And some of our employees were honored in front of a crowd of about 250. So those were Santa Barbara County District Attorney Alex Harrison from the Santa Barbara County District Attorney's Office.
I didn't promote Alex yet to district attorney, so sorry about that Joyce. But it is Alex Harrison also from the Sheriff's Department. Gary Wilberding who is actually going to be retiring was their honoree and the Chief Probation Officer's Department from Santa Barbara County Probation Department was Maria Story. So Elks have been doing this for 50 years. I started thinking about it when I was at the dinner and I was like my grandpa used to come to this dinner right?
Just a big shout out to all the ELKS members and also everybody in Santa Maria. I think it's important at this time when some communities are really challenged about how they look at law enforcement, that Santa Maria is still honoring those that are stepping forward and We appreciate them and the job that our county employees did, and some great stories there the other night. But I was glad to be with Bob and honor those individuals.
Well congratulations to them. On a more somber note, Ed Quay and the Teen Corps commemorated the 21st anniversary of the 9-11 attacks on our country this past Sunday and I was presented a flag for the county 50 communities nationwide were given a flag that the stripes, as you'll see in a moment, lists the names of the 2,987 individuals who perished that day. And so we'll show you the flag So this was presented to the county and it was a very, very lovely ceremony. And we also learned a lot about the teen court that sponsored this.
It is a restorative justice program for our county teenagers and they were involved in designing the ceremony and it was very touching and we heard Supervisor Hart and Supervisor Williams also give some very touching remarks And we'll get Director of Public Works Scott McAulpin, who knows exactly how to fold up the flag appropriately. Turning Madam Clerk to announcements
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Chair Hartman and members of the board, I do have a couple quick announcements this morning. We received a request from Supervisor Hartman to withdraw Administrative Item 26 from the agenda today. Administrative item 26 is from Supervisor Hartman it is to approve the appointment of Breonna Gonzalez to the Historic Landmarks Advisory Commission term ending January 1st 2025. This is in the 3rd district.
We posted an addendum to today's agenda on Friday, September 9th amending the closed session agenda. The closed session agenda was amended to reflect amendments to the Conference with Real Property Negotiators Government Code Section 54956.8 And the respective supervisorial districts and the closed session agenda was amended to include an additional closed session agenda item under conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation. Paragraph 4 of subdivision D of government code section 54956.9 deciding whether to initiate civil litigation one case this amendment was posted online and has been made available to the board in the public.
Lastly, I would like to remind the public who are participating in our meeting today of the board's updated methods of public participation. For the Board of Supervisors' methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or on an item on the board's agenda please see page two of the agenda. Members of the public can attend meetings in person both in the Santa Barbara Board Hearing Room Chambers as well as the Santa Maria Board Hearing Room Chambers. Please note the board is following all local and state guidelines and are no longer requiring face coverings indoors.
If you attend the board meetings in person, you will no longer be required to wear a face covering. But please be advised that the Public Health Department is still strongly encouraging all county staff and members of the public to mask and socially distance themselves in crowded areas. I would also like to remind the public that if you require any special accommodations, please contact the Clerk of the Board to make that request preferably the Friday prior to the board meeting.
Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment virtually may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing important information about joining the virtual meeting. Once the chair has announced the item you want to comment on, please join the meeting with the information provided and the registration confirmation email.
You will be placed on mute until it is your turn to speak. The clerk will call you by name. When removed from mute, you will hear a notification that your line has been unmuted. If you are using a touchtone phone, you may need to press star six to unmute yourself. Each person may address the board for up to three minutes at the discretion of the chair. If you have any questions please contact the Clerk of the Board's Office at 805-568-2240. That concludes my announcements for today.
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Thank you. Turning to our administrative agenda, I have items A10 and A17. Do any other board members have items they would like to pull?
Madam Chair, A6.
All right. And Madam Clerk, any members of the public?
Chair Hartman and members of the board, we have no request from the public to speak on any items on today's administrative agenda. Thank you. Would you read A6 into the record please? Chair Hartman and members of the board, Administrative Item 6 is from the Community Services Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding the execution of a contract between the County of Santa Barbara and the California Arts Council for California Creative Corps CCC grants administration.
Thank you and Supervisor Hart.
Yeah, I just wanted to highlight this incredibly wonderful grant the Community Services Department applied to the California Arts Council for a $4.75 million grant and we're successfully granted those funds which is extraordinary and shows the tremendous work that they're doing and this is going to be able to be used throughout the county in the region and we're just very proud of the work that community services is doing to elevate
And I agree with you, Supervisor Hart. I've been extremely impressed by how countywide the arts outreach is and beyond visual arts to performing arts and expressive of different cultures within the county. So well done. Congratulations.
All right, A10. Chair Hartman and members of the board, Administrative Item 10 is from the County Executive Office. It is to consider recommendations regarding the circumstances of the existing state of emergency.
Thank you and do we have Ms. Batson today?
Yes, Paige is here. Good morning Chair Hartman and members of the board. My name is Paige Batson and I'm a Deputy Director for the Public Health Department. I want to thank you today for inviting me here today to speak to you about new COVID-19 vaccine formulations next. Okay, one of the new Novavax vaccines that are available is the new Novavax vaccine. The Novavox COVID-19 vaccine was approved under EUA emergency use authorization for individuals 12 years of age and older.
This vaccine is authorized as a two dose primary series given three to eight weeks apart. Unlike Pfizer and Moderna, which are mRNA vaccine, Novavax is a protein-based vaccine. And protein based vaccines have been around for decades and include vaccines to prevent hepatitis and shingles. It's important to know that this new Novavax vaccine is not a booster at this time.
Next. So the Pfizer and Moderna booster bivalent COVID-19 vaccines include mRNA from the prevalent BA4 and BA5 strains of SARS-CoV-2. And you've been hearing a lot about the increased transmission of BA4 and BA5, so this will help give protection with this bivalent vaccine. Important to note that monovalent mRNA vaccines are no longer authorized as boosters for people ages 12 and above.
However, children ages 5 to 11 are recommended to continue to receive their booster with the monovalent Pfizer vaccine. Next. So the Moderna and Pfizer bivalent vaccines were approved by the FDA on August 31st The Moderna was approved for 18 years and above, and the Pfizer for 12 years and above. The Western State Scientific Safety Group issued recommendations on September 3rd, and shortly thereafter on September 5th local health jurisdictions began to receive shipments.
Currently, these bivalent vaccines are available at pharmacies, FQHCs, community health centers, private providers, cottage and lawn poke hospitals. In terms of doses, we've been asked a lot about how many doses are available. In terms of federally shipped shipments that we've received, we received a total of 1900 doses of these bivalent vaccines within our health care centers. We have approximately 1000 as far as CDPH California Department of Public Health shipments. We have over 9000 doses available in our community With Novavax, we only have 400. It's based on request and at this time the request for a Novavax vaccine has been relatively low.
Next. Okay so with all these new formulations there's a lot of confusion about the timing of the vaccines what you should get etc., etc. So I am pleased to share that we actually have a very nice chart that clearly depicts the timing of the vaccine, the administration among all these new vaccines. So to the left you'll see the list of vaccines, the age, I'm sorry and then you'll see the list of vaccines and to the right you'll see the dosing. So for example if you look at 5-11 years of age Pfizer pediatric you will see That when it comes to the booster, it is the only vaccine where you can still get a booster with the monovalent vaccine for children 5-11 years of age. So it's a very simple chart to follow. It's available on our website and this particular chart has been pushed out to healthcare providers in our community directly through CDPH.
Next. So the next schedule is for children 12 years of age. Again similar as the previous chart shows individuals 12 years of age it shows the specific vaccine, the dosing timing and then you'll see that forward arrow that shows the bivalent vaccines that are only available for 12 years and up. Pfizer is available for ages 12 and above and Moderna ages 18 and above So again, no more monovalent vaccine except for children 5 to 11.
Next. And so finally this is on this last slide we're getting a lot of calls and we've been pushing out this message people want to get the new vaccine that new bivalent vaccine and essentially if you are 12 years of age and over you can get the bivalent vaccine. And the only requirement is that you wait two months after your last vaccine dose And that's it. Thank you.
Any questions?
Yeah, any questions for Miss Batson? Supervisor Lavanito and then Williams.
Thank you Paige. I think that last slide you had up was very clear and that helps a lot. Can you mismatch? I mean if you've taken the Moderna, you can take the Pfizer.
Yes for the boosters yes you could any one of them will do it and again because if you're 12. You have to be 12 years old or older for the Pfizer and 18 for the Moderna so whatever you choose.
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Supervisor Williams.
Can you just explain why the monovalent booster is no longer used in other age groups?
Well, because this is they want to promote the bivalent Transmission of BA at BA four and BA five. So they're just removing it and they want, it's just the new vaccine for added protection.
In the past, we've kind of wanted people who aren't sensitive populations to hold off. I get a sense for how many available appointments there are and how much supplies 9000 are out there that anybody should come forward no matter what their demographic if they desire a booster.
That's correct. We are not anticipating any shortages in vaccine, although we did receive a notice from CDPH yesterday at noon that CDC will be delaying additional doses of Moderna for awhile so they're encouraging us to use the Pfizer but we're really trying to push that bivalent vaccine for the added protection for variants BA4 and 5
And Paige, I have two questions. The Novavax, could you describe that? It's my understanding that it's traditional kind of immunization so people who may have been concerned about the newer approach used by Moderna and Pfizer might be their anxieties might be allayed by this new vaccine. Could you talk about that?
Yeah, and that's true because we have other vaccines as I mentioned for hepatitis. They've been we give them to children. We give him two adults. As you know with shingles anybody 60 years and above the issue we really anticipated that this was going to be. We were going to see a huge uptick on this as a lot of our community they were afraid of the MRNA vaccine. We have not seen that and really as far Very much like other vaccines, a sore arm, maybe a low-grade fever. So we're not really sure why the low uptake on this vaccine.
Statewide my understanding from the various calls I've been to, the uptake is still pretty low so I'm not sure.
And is it time for flu shots?
Yes, flu shots are already available and they're available throughout. You can find them at pharmacies. We have them so we're obviously with flu season we're going to encourage everybody to get vaccinated because We really don't know what will happen if we'll see an uptick in COVID cases, although right now we're seeing a slight decrease. We're not seeing increase in hospitalizations or increase in deaths but with flu it's going to be at least for us and public health and for the healthcare community with individuals coming with very similar symptoms to be able to discern You know, if it's COVID or flu. So we're going to be strongly encouraging in our influenza campaign for people to get vaccinated.
And could you talk about shingles since you mentioned it?
Well there's a vaccine available. It's it's it's a two dose vaccine and we just encourage individuals to get it because if anybody has ever seen a person with shingles, it's not comfortable. It's very painful and while the vaccine itself can kind of slow you down for an afternoon or maybe a day, it is widely available.
And is there an age?
It's 60 and up. Okay, thank you so much for being here. And let me correct that Chair Hartman it's 50 and up. 50 years of age and up
Thank you very much. Doctors don't always tell people and it can be a very painful awful disease that has lingering side effects. So...
And we encourage that our immunization program really pushes that Thank you so much. You've cleared up a lot of my confusion. Well, thank you. Pleasure to be here.
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17. I'm sorry, Mr Light. Yeah, sorry about that. Thank you. Thank you for the update from public health. I just want to take a little bit different direction on this item. You know over the last two years I've taken some voted for this items. I voted against this item in part early on. I voted against this item because You know, let the public know that we're not in the same level of emergency that we were early on in the pandemic and that we're moving to an endemic phase.
Later on I voted for this item in part because throughout the pandemic we've seen that technology has changed and we can have meetings in different ways. And so this item is not necessarily about the state of emergency but it's about our board being able to take advantage of the state of emergency. And I don't mean in a bad way but in a way to make it easier for us to participate in remote meetings That said, I've been watching state legislature and hoping that they would bring about legislation this last term to address that and update the Brown Act. And they didn't. And so since they didn't do that, I can no longer support this item.
I don't like the Brown Act the way it is right now. I hope it does change. I hope our next legislature really takes this up. I think it's a really serious issue on public participation, but I don't feel like I can continue to support this item using the state of emergency as justification for that we are we've moved from a pandemic to an endemic We have a lot of great resources. We know a lot more than we did two years ago and And so just as far as I'm you know and I don't you know disrespecting others votes in a different direction on this but just for myself, I can't support this item. So I'd hope that we could have a roll call vote on this.
We will indeed Supervisor Williams.
Yeah I mean for similar reasons, I support it. Which is that you know this language asks us to make and re-evaluate the current state of the pandemic and the current state of the pandemic is that There's still a lot of loss of productivity, a lot of infection. And if our boards and commissions can meet remotely and reduce the amount of infections taking place in the community but also maybe more self-interestedly be more productive on the county business then I find there to be adequate reason to support this.
Thank you. And I agree, Supervisor Williams. Madam Clerk, would you call the roll on this item? Public comment, I guess.
Madam Chair, members of the board, we have no request to speak on this item. Madam Chair, do we have a motion for that
item? Yes.
I will move the item.
And I will second and Supervisor Hart, your light is on.
Just in anticipation of the roll call
vote. Oh okay so we now have a motion and a second and let's have the roll call. Supervisor
Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion and a second and let's have the roll call.
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Motion passes four to one. Thank you
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Madam Clerk A 17
Chair Hartman and members of the board, Administrative Item 17 is from the Public Works Department Board of Directors and Water Agency. It is to consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara County 2022's Groundwater Basin Summary Report
Thank you. I asked for this, for Public Works to be available to answer some questions about this. We are not just in a COVID emergency but we're in a drought emergency and people have been describing this not just as a drought but a mega drought and now it's being described as a giga drought so the question in my mind is what more can the county do particularly using and treating wastewater for indirect potable reuse, and then recharging it into the groundwater. So I have some questions for Public Works. And the first is could we develop a study perhaps as a supplement to the 2015 Alternative Water Supply Report? Would it be of value to study the wastewater producers throughout our county and assess what we have and what the opportunities might be?
Either Marty or Matt.
Chair Hartman and members of the Board. Yes, absolutely. So our 2015 Long-Term Supplemental Water Supply Alternatives Report looks at a number of different water supply alternatives throughout the county. It does look at direct potable reuse and direct nonpotable reuse. And
you might define those for people who aren't sure about that?
Absolutely. So direct potable reuse is where you treat wastewater and serve it directly to customers. Direct non-potable use is something like the recent Waller Park project where you treat wastewater and use it to irrigate the landscape in lieu of using groundwater or potable water. Indirect potable reuse is where you treat wastewater and you can inject it into the subsurface, let it sit there for a certain buffer time and then pull it back out and serve it to customers directly. And so that is one gap in our 2015 report and so certainly supplementing this report with the study of indirect potable reuse opportunities throughout the county would be very beneficial and Public Works is working towards moving that forward as we speak.
And how many wastewater treatment agencies do we have in the county?
Chair Hartman, members of the board. There are about 14 municipal wastewater treatment plants in addition to a couple others such as the Chumash Tribe and the Lompoc Prison. Of those, about eight are medium-to-large wastewater facilities that take in large volumes.
So they're independently governed and there's not really an umbrella over that would promote regional cooperation, but it's something that the county might be able to do.
Chair Hartman, members of the board, that is true. Most of them are either independent special districts or cities. Laguna County Sanitation District happens to be the one district that is under the purview with your board as that Board of Directors.
And could you describe in more detail what such a study would entail, both what you would need to bring it forward and what kinds of information more specifically you could glean?
Chair Hartman, members of the Board of Directors of the Sanitation District. The item A-18 is to specifically look at what was required. One, to treat the water till levels normally associated with indirect potable reuse. In our case we would extend the reverse osmosis to not just a portion of the flow but all the flow. The second mechanism of disinfection in addition to ultraviolet we would probably add ozone or it's called advanced oxidation And then there would need to be a means for disposing the additional brine generated. The sanitation district does have one brine disposal well, we probably need at least a second.
So physically those are the additional levels of treatment required. From there, we'd also have to study how to achieve indirect POVA reuse whether it's shallow well recharge with a 60 day or greater, greater than 60 day extraction point Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting It'll be in service later this month, early October. But the plan is that in the high time or high demand use such as in the summer they could use two-thirds of the volume of that in a day so it would fill as available in combination with other recycled water users.
So to answer your question, it would turn around every couple of days in the high time
So in other words, we're producing an enormous amount of wastewater that isn't always being used either through purple pipes. It's just being discharged. That was a purple pipe kind of application right?
That's correct, Chair Hartman and members of the Board of Directors. The Purple Pipe project is one of the bigger ones. We do have others. We do irrigate food crops at the airport district and then any water not used does get reused on district property for cattle pasture but Purple Pipe is one of the more customary ways to recharge but other agencies especially the really large ones have been doing groundwater injection such as Orange County Sanitation District for a very long time now and then re-extracting it
Thank you, so I see some other lights but I'll just say that what I would really like to do is give direction to our water agency to work with the other wastewater agencies and develop a report with some options and bring it back to the board. And we'll go to Supervisor Hart and then Williams but maybe you could talk about what the budget, what that would require from us.
Supervisor Hart?
I wholeheartedly support this direction and appreciate Chair Hartman bringing it up. One of the other things I noticed in looking through the report is that I think almost every basin that's being measured with the exception Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We're not being used because of the existence of the desalination plant in the city of Santa Barbara. I think that's really important in looking at this regional context, that there's a unique asset in our water portfolio that is only benefiting those jurisdictions but it's a significant change in the trend that's going on everywhere else and I think that's something we need to always be cognizant of, that there is a very large permitted I'm going to start by saying thank you for the opportunity to be here today.
important to remember and recognize and I think congratulate the City of Santa Barbara for creating because it helps diversify our water supplies and gives an opportunity for the groundwater basin to rest even during a drought that we're experiencing where every other Basin is having to be hit very hard to maintain flow
Supervisor Williams
well, I For various reasons, I think this is really important for us to follow the direction that's being suggested by Supervisor Hartman to determine whether there are other opportunities for recycled water. And my examples would be even that it is superior even than the question that takes up a lot of oxygen in the room which is desalinization and is fundamentally The technology is desalinization, but it happens to be a lot easier to clean hoop water than it is to clean saltwater. It takes less energy.
You know, it's an easier process. It's cheaper and you know its been held back by sort of community acceptance because people I just have news for everybody. That water sitting on the desk over there, that has been poop water too. This has been poop water. All the water sitting on everybody's desk has been poop water at some point in the last million years. It doesn't matter what it was at one time. It matters what processes were done to make it clean enough for drinking now.
You know, and I think it's also part as Supervisor Hart alluded to a diversity of strategies in order to be more drought resilient for the future.
And Supervisor Nelson?
Yes, thank you Chair Hartman. I think the first step is to stop calling it poop water. I just embrace it. You know me, I'm a straight talker. So I'd start there. No, you know, I think that I really appreciate what the county is looking at and I appreciate Chairwoman Hartman's comments because I think we need to be taking all of the above approach to water. I mean, I think that the communities that are doing the best are ones that have the largest portfolio of different water sources. We can't rely on the State Water Project in Sacramento to save us. We really need to have some self-determination here And I think that's what we all want.
So, you know, recycled water is definitely a big part of that. I will be the first to drink the water coming from that. I'll volunteer because I do believe in technology and I think that we're heading in that direction and I'm really excited about that. You know it's not the poop water of the past so, you know, I think we were there getting back that water park project. So because we're able to pump or bring that from the recycled water I just want to lend my support for all of the above as we approach I think DESAL is a big part of that as well. And that, you know, as a community and as a county, the State Water Project was good on bringing us a pipe but now we gotta use it and I think we gotta find our own sources to stick water in it so that's where I stand on the issue.
So could you describe what this would take in terms of resources and process? When you might come back and what kind of additional direction or interaction you might need with the board
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Madam Chair, members of the board. So specifically to do a high level supplement to the long-term water supply alternatives report I think we can do that within our existing Water Agency budget for this year so I don't think that we need further direction on that and I think that obviously we need to go out and talk to consultants and figure out what they can do but I think probably early next calendar year we should be able to bring you a supplemental report for your review in further direction
Terrific. And let me ask County Council, do we need a vote on that?
Madam Chair, members of the board I was just thinking you know Brown Act wise where we're at and I was concerned about if we had to add funding but we don't there may be a contract that needs to return to you for the consultant and you would vote on it then I think it's up to you whether you want it. I think addressing the groundwater basin, I think it's appropriate within this item to go ahead and direct staff to do the study since its existing funding but they would come back with a contract for another vote.
Okay so we don't absolutely need a motion but I think there is clear direction on the board. All right, well thank you very much. And Supervisor Nelson agreed to be my Brown Act partner on this and if there's anything we can do to support your efforts working with the wastewater districts, we're very pleased to do that. Thank you. So that was the final administrative item on our agenda. So I would like a motion to approve the balance of the agenda and accept that we're, which item were we withdrawing?
Supervisor Hartman, I'll make a motion to approve the administrative agenda with exception of A10 and the item that was being withdrawn
A26.
Thank you
thank you for tracking that all right all in favor say aye.
Aye.
Any opposed? Passes unanimously so turning to Administrative Item number 31 Madam Clerk
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Chair Hartman and members of the Board, Administrative Item 31 is sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Labanino. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming September 15th, 2022 through October 15th, 2022 as Hispanic Heritage Month in Santa Barbara County. Joining us in person we have Jacqueline Inda Natalie and Caroline Alcron, Suzanne Requejo, Daniela Aguirre, Elisa Gullan, Lily Munoz. And joining us via Zoom we have Leah Ortega and Marissa Flores.
And I will now read the resolution into the record. Whereas National Hispanic Heritage Month is a time to recognize the significant contributions and achievements of Hispanic and Latino Americans who serve our nation in business, government, the military law, education, science, athletics, the arts, and many other fields. And whereas according to the US Census Bureau of July 1st 2021 62.1 million people or 18.9% of the population are of Hispanic or Latino in origin Representing a significant increase from 2000, which registered Hispanic population at 35.3 million or 13% of the US total population and whereas in California Latinos are now the largest ethnic group and are projected to be a full majority by mid-century And whereas in 1968 President Lyndon B.
Johnson and Congress celebrated the contributions of Hispanic Americans by officially proclaiming the week of September 15th as Hispanic Heritage Week, then expanded it under President Ronald Reagan in 1988 to its current month-long recognition. And whereas the theme for 2022 Unidos, inclusivity for our stronger nation. This theme reinforces the need to ensure diverse voices and perspectives are welcome in decision making processes, thereby helping to build stronger communities a stronger nation and also reminds us that we are stronger together.
And whereas this month is a celebration of the significant contributions of Hispanic Americans to the history, culture and their achievement in the United States. This includes commitments to education, economic innovation and development, social justice, military service and culturally diverse communities. And whereas Hispanic and Latino Americans have had a long history of leading movements for justice and equity. And are now actively participating in serving our communities during COVID-19 pandemic as teachers, business owners, scientists, soldiers, farm workers, first responders, artists, activists, colleagues and many other professions.
And whereas we honor the resilience and commitment of the Hispanic and Latino American communities as they work towards a brighter future for all residents of Santa Barbara County. And now, therefore be it and it is hereby ordered and resolved that the Board of Supervisors declares September 15th through October 15th 2022 as Hispanic Heritage Month in Santa Barbara County and calls for all residents of our community to join in supporting any activities that will occur in a manner appropriate with COVID-19 regulations Passed and adopted today.
Supervisor Williams?
Well I want to make sure there's plenty of time for our receivers to be able to speak but I also want to make sure that our Comments are not just the positive and the things that are universal in thought. Maybe I would say that we need to sometimes go beyond the vanilla to the carne of the matter, and that is that we all love Hispanic heritage in our communities. We love the culture. We love the food. We love our neighbors.
But it is a culture that is very much under economic threat. We are seeing widespread demographic change on the west side, the east side and in parts of Carpinteria where people are being priced out of rentals and for sale housing And I hope that as we celebrate Hispanic heritage, that we redouble our efforts to look at our housing policy in order to make sure that we don't end up in the same way.
That we treat our Asian American population and black American population in Santa Barbara where we love the culture, we celebrate their history but The majority of both those populations are no longer here because we priced them out and exiled them. So it is my hope and deep commitment that we redouble our efforts so that the same does not happen to Latino Americans in our community.
Supervisor Lavanina?
Thank you, and my district is now 77% Hispanic It moved up a couple of percentages. I think anybody that lives in the City of Santa Maria knows that if you're going to enjoy the City of Santa Maria, you're going to embrace diversity and I think multicultural cities just make better places to live. You know? I think it's so exciting to go and go to all the different I'd like to welcome you all.
And so a lot of times they're not active. And the number one activity that I would encourage people in Hispanic community to do is register to vote, have your voice heard at City Hall, get involved because the power of your voice is the power of your vote and so get out there, get active in your community. We see so many people that are active in their neighborhood and their leaders in their community But we've got to stretch that out just a little bit more so that you
move to the next neighborhood and the next neighborhood, and have that voice heard at City Hall. So congratulate everybody. I'm part of a very rich Hispanic family married into, and to all the 275 members of my family now, this resolution is also for you.
And Supervisor Nelson, your light was on. Okay and would you like to speak anybody?
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To have these very familiar faces and to acknowledge all the amazing work that they're doing. So thank you.
Thank you.
Supervisor Hoffman, members of the board and community. My name is Jacqueline. I'm here in representation of La Casa de la Raza. La Casa has been deemed a historic building. It's a space that has developed different groups, activisms, organizations throughout the county. So talk about having a space where people have the ability to grow and think and create programming that then develops into organizations that function throughout the entire county. That's what La Casa means to not only the residents of the east side or the residents of Santa Barbara, but all of the different activism that has now branched out from the small tower when it used to be caused all the way through Pueblo that now is caused throughout the entire county. All of those different efforts come from the ability to have access.
And access is power in this community. It starts with being able to have a safe space. So with the work of all of the different organizations, all of the different works that have happened with countywide regional services we've been able to continue to keep that space alive so we hope to continue to do that work in the future and that we are now looking at another 50 years of giving a space for the community to continue to thrive
Hello Chair Hartman, members of the Board. My name is Daniela Aguirre. I am one of five co-founders of Mujeres Makers Market. I'm here joined by my other co-founders Alicia and Lily. We would just like to thank you for the recognition and Mujeres Makers Market is something that It became a thing from the pandemic. Us as small business owners saw, as mentioned earlier that Latina women and specifically all women of color were severely economically affected by COVID-19. So as a result we decided to join forces and create a space where women of color could come and share their crafts and handmade goods and sell them to make some more money on the side because people were really struggling, and they still are.
And we want to also make sure that you all know that our communities are still struggling, and we do need your support. So thank you for this recognition, and we hope that your support continues in the future for the Latino community. Thank you.
Thank you so much for spending your morning with us and sharing your culture with us, and we're here for you. This is part of the Chair's initiative for this year recognizing different cultures that have contributed to the rich fabric in Santa Barbara County, and certainly the Latino-Hispanic culture is one of the brightest, strongest threads. Such a typical experience, I had office hours on Saturday in Lompoc which is 60% Latino.
And I had an appointment with one person and her parents came, her sisters came, their husbands came, and their three sons came. family and community is something that we admire so much in your culture and would like to emulate. So again, thank you for taking the time to be here today.
Madam Chair?
Oh, Supervisor Hart, I'm sorry.
I just thought maybe Daniela could tell folks here how folks can support and participate and be customers of the New Harris Market.
Yes, thank you. I actually forgot to mention that. Our next market will be Sunday October 2nd. We host our markets at El Presidio de Santa Barbara. We've been in partnership with them for about a year now. Really appreciate their partnerships so if anybody would like to come out and support our 50 plus rotating vendors we'll be there October 2nd from 10am to 4pm If you or anybody you know a requirement is to be a woman of color would like to participate as a vendor, you can sign up on our website. It's www.mujeresmakersmarket.com. Just go under the Vendor tab, sign up for our newsletter. Alicia makes beautiful newsletters to share with everyone so we would love your support there and in the future we'd also like to host seminars If you or anybody you know is interested in being a speaker, we are also open to that.
So yeah, thank you.
Thank you again. We really appreciate it. Okay, turning to our next item that is administrative item number 33. Madam Clerk would you read that into the record?
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Chair Hartman and members of the Board, Administrative Item 32 is sponsored by Supervisor Williams. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming the week of September 25th 2022 through October 1st 2022 as American Institute of Architects Architecture Appreciation Week in Santa Barbara County. Joining us in person here we have Michael Holliday and I will now read the resolution into the record Whereas more than 175 licensed members of the American Institute of Architects, AIA, practice in Santa Barbara area where they serve the public interest through their concern for understanding of sustainable design practices, energy conservation, accessibility for people with disabilities, urban planning, historic preservation, affordable housing and sensitivity to the relationship between nature and the built environment.
And whereas architectural foundation volunteered Volunteers guide public tours of the history and architecture of Santa Barbara, provide children the opportunity to sketch local architecture with kids draw architecture. Work with teachers to establish a build environment education program in Santa Barbara's public schools and provide scholarships to county students. Whereas Santa Barbara's architects have worked diligently to preserve the architectural heritage of our community through service on local architectural review boards, various public outreach and education efforts and service projects.
And whereas the AIA Santa Barbara chapter has produced an annual design awards program to recognize and promote high quality architecture and design in commercial residential educational and institutional work throughout the county Whereas the AIA Santa Barbara Chapter has produced Architect Tours, an annual inspirational and educational tour of noteworthy residential and public projects focused on high quality design and showcasing the application of sustainable and green building practices and affordable housing projects.
Now, therefore be it resolved that the Board of Supervisors designates the week of September 25th through October 1st as AIA Architectural Appreciation Week in Santa Barbara County and commends the American Institute of Architects and the architectural foundation for over 160 years of preserving and enhancing the architectural heritage of Santa Barbara County passed and adopted today.
Mr. Holliday.
Chair Hartman, Vice-Chair Williams and County Board of Supervisors my name is Michael Holliday I'm a fellow in the American Institute of Architects Santa Barbara Chapter and we would really like to thank you the board for this designation of September 25th through October 1st as Architecture Appreciation Week in Santa Barbara County. Santa Barbara has long been recognized as one of the most beautiful cities and counties in the country And fortunately, a big part of this recognition is due to the architecture as well as the natural environment.
And this is highlighted by our own Santa Barbara County Courthouse which is well displayed here. The AIA Santa Barbara Chapter would like to invite any of the board that would like to join us on this year's tour as our guests free of charge to be part of the tour. There are some amazing projects you don't have to go look at them all, you can look And it's going to be October 1st from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m., here in Santa Barbara, highlighting many of the noteworthy award-winning and sustainable projects designed by local architects.
The theme for this year's tour is Celebrate Santa Barbara. So on behalf of the AIA and our professional design community I would like to thank and we would like to thank the board for this recognition and invite you to join us on this year's tour. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Supervisor Williams?
Well I thought it was fortuitous with the previous item because architecture is beauty, is aesthetics but architecture is also the implementation of good policy. The architects of Santa Barbara, I think have a tremendous ethic of environmental sustainability and desire to house our population. Our planning commissions, our ABRs, our HLACs should trust that architects can with differences in massing, with techniques of creating space can house our population even in dense housing in an aesthetically pleasing manner.
while accomplishing the solution to the previous problem that I just articulated, which is our very, very tough housing market. So I think architecture and architects being perhaps a little bit less restrained by our boards is part of the solution to our housing woes. So thank you for that work.
I
want to echo Supervisor Williams' comments. I remember seeing a presentation that Dennis Allen did about cities around the world that are recognized, I think universally as being spectacularly beautiful places and most often the footprint of those cities was much smaller than the typical American city because they were more dense and rich with architecture and designed thoughtfully for pedestrians rather than cars. And there's a lot to be learned from There are many examples in our community of really thoughtful, well-done design by local architects that I know you're going to be celebrating to demonstrate how we can have housing and we can have beautiful design. And a community that works and makes sense for everybody that can be embraced and loved.
We just need folks to recognize that design matters and architects are at the forefront of that. So thanks for being here today.
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Thank you so much. Now turning to administrative item number
33. Chair Hartman and members of the board, Administrative Item Number 33 is sponsored by Supervisor Hart is to adopt a resolution proclaiming the month of September 22 as Suicide Prevention Month in Santa Barbara County. Joining us here in person we have Tony Navarro, Victoria King and Gina Carvalho. And I will now read the resolution into the record. Whereas this resolution recognizes suicide as a national and statewide public health problem, and suicide prevention as a national and statewide responsibility.
And it designates the month of September as National Suicide Prevention Month in Santa Barbara County. This month overlaps World Suicide Prevention Day, September 10th recognized internationally and supported by the World Health Organization. Whereas the impact of COVID-19 and the length of time which lives have been disrupted as a result, have had a significant impact on many leaving feelings of isolation, loneliness, economic impact and job loss. Stress, anxiety and depression which greatly impact the mental health of people and thoughts leading to suicide.
Whereas, in our country suicide is the second leading cause of death for 10 through 34 year olds and fifth leading cause of death for those ages 35 through 54. And it's the 12th leading cause of death for people of all ages. Whereas, each person's death by suicide exposes at least 147 other people with over 6.9 million newly bereaved each year. 2022 data shows that 4,491 residents of California died by suicide and several thousand friends and family members were changed forever by losing those people.
Whereas, the Board of Supervisors who are dedicated to reducing the frequency of suicide attempts and deaths and the pain for those affected by suicide deaths through research projects, educational programs, intervention services, and bereavement services urges that all Californians 1. Recognize suicide as a significant public health problem in California and declare suicide prevention a statewide priority Two, support the development of accessible behavioral health services for all regions of our county.
Implementing national best practices in reducing suicide risk for people of all ages and backgrounds. Three, acknowledge that no single suicide prevention effort will be sufficient or appropriate for all populations or communities. 4. Encourage initiatives based on the goals and activities contained in the National Strategy for Suicide Prevention, Zero Suicide of the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention and the Way Forward by the Action Alliance Suicide Attempt Survivor Task Force.
It is hereby ordered to resolve that the Board of Supervisors recognizes the month of September as Suicide Prevention Month in Santa Barbara County passed and adopted today.
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Madam Chair, Supervisors, County staff. I'm Victoria King-Condos, the chair of the Behavioral Wellness Commission. I wanted to thank you on behalf of the commission for acknowledging this very significant mental health issue which crosses all demographics in our county and is particularly crucial for youth. Social media, all the stresses that our community and the world community has been through in the pandemic have been an incredible challenge And it's very nice that you are acknowledging this and supporting that. So thank you
Good morning Chair Hartman, Supervisors and County staff. I so appreciate as always your leadership on this in the county to put forward the health and well-being of all of our county residents and the acknowledgement of Suicide Prevention Month is crucial as Chair Condo just shared with you all especially in this time as we come out of this pandemic A time of change and a new resiliency and resolve. While suicide rates in 2019 and 20 did decline somewhat in the nation, for crisis and care with those experiencing suicidality went up significantly. Here in Santa Barbara County, the number of deaths is 57 for 2021 that were clearly identified as suicide and unfortunately we are on track to meet and likely exceed by some amount that number this year so today's resolution in bringing forward to the public the importance of reaching out, of understanding that it's nothing to be ashamed That thoughts of desperation and hopelessness are pervasive, especially in a time when so much is changing.
I also want to say and acknowledge that while we're standing here today, we have an army of partners behind us. And I really would like to recognize all of the communities that partner with us in this county to provide suicide prevention wellness and care for Santa Barbara residents. They include Communify, Council on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, the Child Abuse Listing Mediation, Casa Pacifica, the Family Service Agency, Good Samaritan, Pathpoint, the Mental Wellness Center, Hope Refuge, Synergy Telecare, Olive Crest, Marion Hospital, Cottage Hospital, Marakey Transitions.
The Community Health Centers of Central Coast, The Santa Barbara CEO's office in our school-based services, the Santa Ynez Tribal Health Clinic, People Helping People, Casa Pacifica as I already mentioned and Vista Del Mar also down in Ventura. Again just such honor and privilege to serve this county in this way and to help residents overcome desperation and hopelessness and thank our partners so much for all the work they do and you for your leadership in this space. Thank you.
I just wanted to say thank you to Director Navarro and Chair King-Condo, the Commission and all the community partners for bringing this really important resolution forward. As a county we want to make sure that everyone knows that they're not alone. There are many resources available to help people during their most difficult moments And it's important for us to destigmatize conversations surrounding mental health issues and suicide so that people can be more comfortable seeking the help that they need.
Reducing stigma can also empower family members and friends to have open conversations with their loved ones when they sense they need help. 988 is a phone number that everyone should memorize. The number's available to connect people with mental health crisis resources, including support to prevent suicide. So if we can all take one thing from today, remember 988 and be ready to offer that resource to anyone that you think needs help.
Yes, and I do want to confirm for everyone that 988 is connected to our access line here. And so if you don't have the 888-868-1649 number for Be Well anywhere posted in your home, you call 988, you say you are a Santa Barbara County resident, you will be connected directly to the Santa Barbara County access line for assistance. Thank you. And I want to say thank you to our NAMI partners, I left off NAMI on there and I know that I have NAM in the house today and I could not forget them. They
are critical. Madam Clerk, turning to our final resolution today, item number 34.
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Chair Hartman and members of the Board, Administrative Item 34 is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. It is to adopt a resolution of commendation honoring Lisa Northrop of Santa Barbara County Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator Guardian as September 2022's Employee of the Month for Santa Barbara County. Joining us in person we have Lisa Northrop and Harry Hagan. And I will now read the resolution into the record.
Whereas Lisa Northrup, the Deputy Public Conservator LPS Investigator for the Santa Barbara County Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator Guardian has recognized for her commitment to the protection of individuals with severe mental illness who are some of the most vulnerable citizens of Santa Barbara County Whereas Lisa's effectiveness results from her extensive knowledge of welfare and institutions codes, and her 24 years of experience in unbiased interactions with clients which are key to following the law and preserving the civil rights of individuals with severe mental illness.
Whereas with her ready laugh and compassionate manner, Lisa connects with her peers clients and their families making all feel they are special and heard. Whereas Lisa's integrity demonstrates her dedication and commitment to Santa Barbara County's ACE values mission and vision. Whereas Lisa is the proud guardian of two horses two Huskies three cats many chickens turtles koi and too many birdhouses to count Now, therefore and hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Lisa Northrop for her exceptional and continuous contributions as Employee of the Month for September 2022 passed and adopted today.
Mr. Hagan.
Chair Hartman, members of the Board, good morning. You know it's my privilege to introduce Lisa to the board. She is one of those unsung heroes that probably you don't even know exists and as a department head she is the ideal employee. She is ethical, she gets her work done It doesn't cause any problems. And it's just, it's one of those really important jobs. She is the investigator for LPS conservatorships and it's like the Ron Copay set it and forget it. She just does her job and no issues.
But you know, one thing about Lisa that maybe the staff that work for me don't know that when we have tax collection periods Lisa's one of the first people that can handle her workload and come down and volunteer to help in the tax office too. And so it's fantastic having people with that kind of work ethic as a department head, you just can't replicate that.
My challenge is going to be replacing you someday, and that's not going to be an easy task. But I'd also be remiss if I didn't recognize you Chair Hartman. You've always been a very big advocate and supporter of My public assistance division, that's about a third of my office. It's Public Guardian, Public Administrator, Veteran Services, Protective Pay and so we couldn't do what we do without your support and we appreciate that. So I think Tamara who is Lisa Supervisor
Our manager, Arlene Diaz is out at a conference and so she couldn't be here today. And so we just wanted to say that it gives all of us at the Office of the Public Guardian extreme pleasure And we all feel lucky to also call her a friend. Lisa is productive and very experienced, and her knowledge and skills as the LPS investigator are invaluable to the public guardian.
Lisa's optimism has a positive impact on her co-workers, and we look forward to going to her for support and advice. We will miss her very much when she retires at the end of the year. I'm getting emotional. Congratulations, Lisa, on both Employee of the Month and your upcoming retirement.
Would you like to say a few words?
I just wanted to add that I've found it very humbling experience to work with the severely mentally ill. And that will always stay with me, thank you.
Thank you for the hard work we do every day. All right. Turning then to general public comment, Madam Clerk do we have any people who would like to talk to us today about matters not on today's agenda but within our jurisdiction?
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Chair Hartman and members of the board, we have no request to speak for general public comment.
Supervisor Nelson?
Yes. Thank you, Chairman. I have a public comment.
All
right. I just want to take this opportunity to highlight that this Saturday is the 4th annual Santa Barbara County Farm Day. This is an opportunity for the public to join the agricultural community in the Santa Maria Valley, to explore their farms and ranches and get to see what agriculture looks like. This is a great event. I encourage county employees to attend, the public, advocates, anybody that's tuning in to be a part of this. Growing up in the Santa Maria Valley, I was ignorant to agriculture. It was around me but I didn't quite understand it and it's been really an awesome opportunity for me to get to know it better. Got married into an ag family and then got to serve under Supervisor Adam who is a farmer himself. And so I think there's a progression of ignorance to understanding and eventually to protection and advocacy for agriculture, and I think Santa Barbara County Farm Day is a big part of that.
I'd encourage the public to go on to santabarbacountyfarmday.com On that website you're able to click on plan your itinerary for farm day some locations have limited Seating if you will and so it's really important to do that in advance But many of the sites are open to the public throughout the day So really encourage my colleagues The county employees and the community in general to attend Farm Day this Saturday.
And I attended one year, and there was really great food. And it was fascinating to learn about Brussels sprouts and how they're harvested. Brussels sprouts are in with the younger generation.
That's why I'm old.
But it really is eye-opening, fascinating, and extremely well organized. All right. Turning to departmental item number 1.
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Chair Hartman and members of the board, departmental item number one is from the General Services Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Caya Real campus master plan. This item is located within the first and second districts.
Mr. Frapwell, were you going to introduce the team or?
Madam Chair, members of the board, thank you. I'm happy to do that. I'm joined today by Patrick Norosky and Ashton Ellis both from General Services who have really been instrumental behind the scenes in making this happen. It's been a long journey to get to your board today, this product. We started pre-pandemic just to give you a sense of how long this has been going and it really took the project backseat So we're here today to kind of bring this forward. And really, you know the purposes as Mr. Zyrowski will highlight in the presentation is really to set the stage and a set of vision for how the county can best utilize its valuable resource real estate resource there at the Cal Real campus We say Cal Real, but in reality as you notice and you'll see in the presentation there's really three main sections.
It's the area from Hollister to 101, from Cal Real up to Cathedral Oaks and then the amount of land we own above Cathedral Oaks. We'll talk about it, and Patrick as he goes through the presentation will identify key areas for consideration as we talk about this. I think that will help kind of make this in bite-sized pieces and more understandable. With that, I'm happy to turn this to Patrick.
Thank you, Jeff. Thank you, Chair Hartman, board members. It's a great day to be here. Three years in the making, you don't get a chance to say that all that often but it's been a long effort an enjoyable effort I really want to give kudos today to Ashton Ellis to my left she's been the project manager diligent dogged all the way through the pandemic to get us to where we're at today so we're excited to finally be here You've seen the report. We have a PowerPoint that we want to sort of summarize.
We were able to sort of synthesize several project goals. These goals are important. Originally, we started out with a larger group and we really felt like these needed some refinement and focus. Certainly one of the top project goals was us to eliminate buildings beyond their usefulness and determine the highest and best use of the campus and its properties.
One Stop Service Center is something that we heard from a variety of the campus users, as well as some of our departments who maybe aren't as prominently placed on the campus. Both from a health and human services perspective, as well as a permitting and planning perspective. Identify departmental synergies potentially developing precincts within the campus. You'll see that concept carried throughout The presentation today, realign our campus with our renew initiatives to best serve constituent staff and stakeholders.
In reality I think the main objective of our goal today is how do we deliver better services more efficient services to our community? And then of course to maximize current vacant space both within underutilized buildings as well as vacant properties. We have, as part of the process, broken the campus into five sub-campuses or precincts. Again they stretch all the way from north of Cathedral Oaks with our public safety campus to the sort of northern middle section of the campus called our County Yards Campus.
We sequestered the main jail campus, that is a project and an initiative that is being covered under a separate project. And then our health and government center campus located immediately north of Kyrielle where we deliver a lot of services in an area that's somewhat compact. And then of course our campus below Highway 101 adjacent to Hollister, which is our community services campus. Now we're going to go through each of these campuses briefly today and explain what the next steps might be and what this campus might ultimately redevelop.
So our first campus, which we deem as probably the leading candidate for projects as we move forward. It is the Health and Governmental Center Campus. Right now, the bulk of B-Well and Public Health, as well as Department of Social Services in the South County are all located on this campus. The campus also includes Casa Nueva, Casa Morel, and a couple of other smaller uses.
We are proposing is the first step in our overall master plan to develop building 1A, which is closest up to Kyrielle as a B-Well headquarters. That headquarters would include B-Well administration, a PUF, psychiatric health facility, a crisis stabilization unit Crisis services, we would relocate the mental health clinic that's currently located at 4444 Kyrielle to this location and potentially a sobering center. This is a building that likely be three stories somewhere in the area of 60,000 square feet and it will for the first time combine all of these services across the campus that are scattered that may not be as connected as well as we would like into one general area.
We have a building 1B, which was identified early on as a mental health resource center. That building is on hold at the moment. We have done conceptual design and we're waiting to work with the CCP in order to take that to the next step. Building 2A is also very important as part of the overall development of the campus. It is a commons building. We are looking to develop this at roughly 60,000 square feet as well. This would be where the Ag Commissioner, employee university via our HR department, elections, a hoteling and conference center. This is where we are proposing locating the one-stop permitting center for public works, water resources, ag commissioner in planning and development. And then having some potential space that could be developed for on-site daycare.
That's one of the things that we heard consistently in interviews across many of the departments is a location for onsite daycare would be hugely helpful. The public health buildings, again looking to consolidate via the development of a new headquarters administration building in the center location of the campus. And then a new healthcare building that would include the public health clinic, the women's clinic, the employee health clinic known as Healthstat and the VA clinic as well as veteran services.
Building 4B is now a mixed-use building. Earlier we had this solely as a parking deck, we are now looking to develop this as a mixed use facility that is a potential location for workforce housing as well as parking that will help support the campus both from a housing standpoint as well as a parking standpoint. The total amount of the parking there has not yet been determined, but we certainly will be doing some additional analysis and study of exactly what we think our parking needs will be.
Then we have an area identified immediately south of Building 2A. as a potential location for a future relocation of the downtown admin building and the engineering building services. This is primarily illustrative in nature, and gives us an opportunity that if this board or future boards decides that that is the approach we'd like to take, that we do have a location where that could ultimately fit in but that's not part of the current Thank you.
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I know you went over this before with me individually, but want to understand the workflow. Is the numbering system roughly in linear path? So the first building that conceivably would be able to be built is 1A, right? Correct.
Yeah, there is a sensitive phasing process as part of this. Our goal is to try to not move people more than once if at all possible. There will be a few departments or a few divisions that might have to move twice but our goal here is to be able to flow the development throughout the campus and allow us to develop locations and then move people into new space without them having to jump around and look at other locations within the campus. So that does dictate some of the flow, but certainly the issues that we're having with some of our older buildings. I'm sure you noted in the report that Buildings 3 and 4 which serve as the PUF as well as the public health clinics buildings were developed In and around 19, between 1910 and 1920. So we're dealing with 100 year old buildings with rapidly deteriorating infrastructure.
We spent a lot of time and effort wrenching on those buildings and we'll talk a little bit more about that in a future slide. Another area immediately north of this location, which is basically where building four currently sits as well as the archives building. Right now we are looking to designate that location as a future expansion area. We also think this is an excellent location for potential workforce housing development at some point in the future. As part of the overall master plan You know, part of good planning for us is really looking to the future. Looking out beyond the 20 or 25 year range. Finding locations on the site that we can hold and hold for future boards, future departments for potential expansion. This location does however have an immediate application.
It's possible that it could be developed for workforce housing as we move forward and develop new buildings for the tenants there And certainly it's well positioned. The second campus is the main jail campus, the primary project designated for this location is a future expansion of the Sheriff's Headquarters even though it may not seem like it, this building actually is in the 50 year range We're starting to experience some significant issues.
We've been wrenching on this for quite some time, we have HVAC issues, roof issues. We believe a renovation is something that should be considered at some point as well as an expansion. The location is not adequate square footage wise for the current sheriff's administrative uses. So we believe that a potential expansion here is something that should be considered in the long-term approach for the master plan.
Again, the jail itself is really separate in a project that we've been working on also for the last three or four years and as that project moves forward I'm sure we'll be talking to the board about future concepts for that location. The next campus is the County Yards Campus. Many of you, I think several of you have actually spent a little bit of time up in this upper portion of the campus.
We have an interesting collection of Connex boxes and old buildings scattered around this location. It's not very efficiently laid out. And we believe that some development here will really help set the tone, not only for the short term but really for the next 25 to 50 years. The main focus on this site is the development of Building 3B which is a county yards office and shop building and we'll be looking to relocate the parks yard operation here as well as GS facilities and GS communications into this building.
Which would then allow us to relocate our water resources and flood control operations. Right now they're shoehorned into the northwestern most section of this campus, and as we've talked They constantly are searching for additional locations to bring equipment in. They typically rent equipment in December, January and February in order to have it on hand if there are issues. They have very little room for that overall storage and we believe that by relocating them to the current parks courtyard will be a huge benefit for their operations as we move forward.
Parks, again, will get brand new space in Building 3B designed specifically for their uses and we believe that's a fair tradeoff. We also want to develop building 5A, which is again at the northwest corner. This is a building designed specifically for dry storage, climate controlled storage and we really struggle for this type of space within the overall campus.
This building would include storage for public works, general services, communications, treasure, tax collector and clerk recorder. 5B again is just a slight expansion of the fleet shop, but I think the removal of the two buildings in the middle of this location based on the movement of the tenants of those buildings will allow our fleet area to expand significantly. And with our conversion to electric vehicles as we move forward, we're going to need additional location for not only maintenance For charging purposes and for the rotation of our maintenance on those vehicles. So we would like to open this up and expand and give Fleet the space that it needs right now they're a little cramped if they often will work on fire apparatus in this location as well as other construction equipment, and it gets really really tight within this particular campus.
We are not proposing any changes currently to the Public Works Corp yard. It's actually laid out quite well and used quite efficiently, and we found it to be one of the more efficient spaces located within the campus. And we're also not proposing any specific changes at this time to the transfer station. I know that we're working with Public Works to evaluate whether or not some of the office structures on that can be replaced over the short term However, we're not doing any short or long term relocation options for the transfer station operations.
Building 6B, currently where that building sits is a couple of modulars that were put there roughly 20 years ago. There is a small permit center there now that Public Works operates. This particular location we would like to consolidate a lot of the water resources staff into this location. They again they're scattered between a couple of different campuses and we believe this building will provide expansive office as well as operational space for them As well as the surveyor at that location.
The Community Services Campus, which is located between Highway 101 and Hollister. It's also a key location for us. We are in the process of working with our partners to develop the Hollister Lofts project. The Fire Station 13 is a location that we would like to see provided with some new space So we are proposing the relocation of some sheriff's operations that are currently located between Fire Station 13 and the Page Youth Center to a new building that is north of the coroner's office.
or adjacent to the current coroner's office. And then that would free up some property to potentially relocate Fire Station 13 within a larger footprint. With the future expansion of Hollister, it's going to just move cut away a little bit at the right-of-way in front of the building and at some point I know this has been one of the top priorities for the fire department we would like to give them a larger space to be able to utilize We also heard the need for a new coroner's office. Our current office is quite small, outdated. We would like to redevelop that and that is going in a similar area to where it's located today.
We are also, the food bank is a piece of property that we own and lease to the food bank. And they are currently working on a capital campaign for relocation. And I just want to point that space out. That is really a key location for us for flex space as we move through and do future phases of this master plan redevelopment. Very important for us to have somewhere to move people or to move equipment, files and anything that we may need.
That will be a key location for us to maintain and repurpose as we move through the redevelopment of the campus. And then the juvenile hall, the Santa Barbara Juvenile Hall Campus. We are getting close to moving forward with our probation headquarters project in 2023. We're excited about that possibility of moving that forward And then consolidating our probation operations at the downtown site on Garden Street. That will finally free up the current juvenile hall to potentially be redeveloped again, we think it's a great location for potential workforce housing opportunities.
And that site has been talked about over the years for a variety of things, but we think one of the best uses there might be for workforce housing. We'll talk a little bit more about potential issues there if you have any questions. And then our public safety campus north of Cathedral Oaks, the current location of our Emergency Operations Center. The new fire dispatch facility I'm proud to announce will be going to bid in November and we'll begin the development of that location sometime in early 2023.
We're excited about being able to finally get that project to construction. We do designate the current fire headquarters for potential redevelopment and expansion. Again, this is one of our more problematic buildings. We spent a lot of time sort of wrenching on that building. It's a very tight location and really not well suited currently for the modern Fire Department administration.
They've got some concerns about relocating to this specific site again or staying there. We're in conversations, I think that remains open. We do have a location if they so choose to wanna be here we have a place to accommodate them. We kind of call this the business case slide for the master plan and I think it's one of the most important slides that we have within the presentation.
We took the time and went through 10 years worth of data, maintenance data, operational and maintenance data on each of the campuses. We obviously maintain a maintenance connection database where we enter in all of the work that we do on each building across the entire county. We were able to isolate these locations within the Kyrielle campus and create an overview of exactly what we're spending on a campus-by-campus basis. We were also able to go in and do a little bit of research the 2018 Building Owners and Management Association BOMA, which is the leading trade association for building managers across the country.
They estimated in 2018 that the cost per square foot on average across the country to maintain space was $2 and 15 cents a square foot. We believe now of course because of the pandemic, the supply chain issues our location here on the Central Coast that number should probably be closer to $2 and 50 cents a square foot. And when you begin to stack up the data for each of the campuses, you begin to see where we stack up against that measuring stick. So the healthcare campus, we're currently over the last 10 years averaging $6.12 a square foot of maintenance costs.
The county road yards campuses, $2.81. Public safety campus, $ 2.09. The jail campus, $5.88 a square foot which is very high and if we isolated the jail itself it would probably be close to twice that. We actually have a crew on site pretty much every day, nine to five or eight to five there just to deal with maintenance issues on the jail itself. And then the community services campus which is $4 and 47 cents a lot of that is driven by the aged nature of the current juvenile hall site so you can see across the board our numbers are actually much higher than the national average even if you adjust for time as well as location and supply chain.
We also did an analysis where we pulled out the deferred maintenance list, which we do on a yearly basis and identified projects that are just specific to this campus as well as various CIP projects that have been nominated through the nomination process. And when we look at that, we see in the healthcare campus alone, we're looking at $31 million worth of projects just to bring those buildings up to standard.
That doesn't even include obviously a new facility. A big chunk of money just to get the buildings operational on a more consistent basis. Again, if we look at the other campuses in total, we're somewhere in the $40 million range. If we look at all five campuses together just from that perspective and we also did a dive into our electrical expense data and looking at the amount that we're spending on a campus by campus basis. The healthcare campus is actually a little bit bigger because of the metering configuration. The jail ultimately kind of gets pulled into that portion of the jail so that campus does have a much higher use than what you might seem.
But you can see that with the savings that we believe would project around 15% per building, we would be saving several hundred thousand dollars per year in just electrical energy costs if we replace the buildings. Any thoughts on that?
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Not yet.
The big question, of course is what does it cost? What are the larger numbers? And again we like to remind everybody that this is a 20 to 25 year plan. It will be likely done in phases but when you begin to look at some of the numbers they're significant. A new B-Well building and a new Commons building in the 60,000 square foot range are somewhere in the 65 million dollar range for us to replace. The public health and the new healthcare buildings Again, somewhere in the $65 to the $35 million range.
We came up with these numbers unfortunately the only cost estimating tool we really have at this point since we've not done specific concepts for any of the individual buildings is to just look at it on a pure square foot cost range. We typically estimate that the first 30,000 square feet be costed out at $1,200 a square foot and then thereafter $950 a square foot. We certainly will save on economy of scale some of the larger buildings. Some of those numbers will go down but as we go through And do the work on a building-by-building basis. We will build concepts, we will build cost estimates, we will be deliberate as we move forward with that process. Each one of the buildings will be somewhat of a standalone process as we go through and develop.
That includes programming with the individual tenants to make sure that we're building the square footage that is right for them and will be able to absorb future growth or even contraction depending on how we continue to move forward with our hybrid work model. So we will take the time and effort to really get into each of the buildings and work hard with the tenants to ensure that we're building the buildings with the right size, and the right elements to each.
In the end it's roughly a $400 million replacement. Again, we propose doing this in phases over time. That's the best approach. At this point, we'd love to entertain any questions or thoughts that you might have.
Supervisor Williams?
Well I'm especially interested in the question of financing this and health. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's sort of mind-boggling, and you look at the millions that we're spending in maintenance. If I had to choose between spending a million dollars a year in maintenance and a million dollars in debt service, I'd rather build new building and spend a million dollars in debt service. How quickly would we be able to look At the financing options for the first two buildings.
Supervisor Williams and the Chair, really good question. Obviously I think you framed it well is that the project projects plural would be phased over time and we'll look at the appropriate financing for each phase to specific to your question you know one of the subject your boards kind of not today that this is the direction that you want to provide staff to move forward on we would then initiate a programmatic EIR, which is gonna be necessary for the county to develop this site of this nature. And so that's an 18-month process but parallel with that I think then we can start looking at what are the right phases? What is the first building? Does this reflect... Can you go back to this early slide four?
There, thank you.
So this slide lays out potentially the phasing of the development. I think it goes to your earlier question. And if this is kind of the direction we want to go, then we would look at how do we finance each component of that and what makes the most sense. I think we're obviously looking at, as you mentioned, a potential for taking some of that maintenance money that we're continuing to spend and applying that to debt service. That is a piece of the financing strategy.
But we are looking at other sources of revenues as well whether that's special monies from Thank you very much.
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I'm not aware of any changes, but if we were ready to move forward, does the department have the money to execute the programmatic EIR without adding additional delay to the forward momentum?
Supervisor Williams. The short answer is yes, there is funding currently approved by your board that we could initiate the EIR. We have about $300,000 currently. It may not be totally sufficient to do the whole ER, but it's certainly enough to get started and cover this year's cost. Should your board direct us to do that then we would if the program ER costs more than exceeds the $300,000 we currently have allocated, we'd put that into next year's budget for your board's consideration.
Supervisor Nelson?
Yes thank you Chair Hartman. You know this is good work I really appreciate everything that has gone into A couple of comments I have, but this is one portion of our county governance and buildings. We have other campuses and so as we look at the priorities, one thing that I would want to direct staff or give direction from this board potentially is saying okay which things are regional really in nature? You know, things that really need to be down here in the South Coast is higher priorities. Because I think as we do this also on other campuses and throughout the county that we may see it make more sense to move more administrative functions to more affordable housing areas where obviously getting and retaining good staff is really difficult in this county.
And the more of the administrative function, something that's countywide can be moved north. I think it's something that we should be definitely looking at. We keep talking about job housing imbalance and we also have to live our values here in what we're saying and making sure that we're citing things further north closer to where the population in the workforce is. So as we move forward with this project, you know, I know a lot of these functions were just updating right there at Kyrie Hill. I know there are some things But I do think we should be always looking to other opportunities to cite things into places where it could potentially be more affordable, whether that's in Buellton or Lompoc or Santa Maria and other portions of North County as we move forward.
The other thing that I think is really important as we move forward as a board just to be thinking about is controlling costs. I do agree with Supervisor Williams, I'd much rather spend money on debt service than in wasted utility bills and wasted inefficiency with maintenance costs all aboard from my perspective. But as we go through this process public buildings are very expensive to build.
There's things that we can do here at the board to control those costs. So, we need to keep that in mind as we move forward with that and making sure that we have taxpayer protections in place to make sure that we're getting the best and most competitive bidding environment for our buildings And I just think that's the totality when you look at it. I know Supervisor Williams has long advocated for more workforce housing, and I'm open to that but I want to see its details that we're going to need to see in the future and I'll look forward to having those discussions here as well.
I want to
thank you too for taking this task on. When you look at this campus, the thing that strikes me is how haphazard and random the buildings that exist are and having this master plan You know, hopefully we'll prevent that from happening. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board. But this is an asset that's going to be permanently available to the community, that will only become more valuable. And I look at the result and it's jamming things a little closer together but look at the amazing empty spaces on this map.
And so I would urge you to really look really hard at that. And then I think just a reality check just to make sure I am on track here. All these buildings ultimately need to be replaced because these maintenance costs are going to eat you alive, but there is a huge gulp to get to this. This is a $400 million plan. If you didn't borrow the money if you had it and you could just allocate it over 30 years, It's crazy given the scale of what you're talking about doing, but the maintenance costs and the deferred maintenance costs are in the neighborhood. I don't know precisely, but I'm just doing the math with the slides. A couple million dollars a year? So we're talking about $10 or $11 million net cost, not anything that's a trade-off. It's a lot of money.
The first thing that we need to do is to really figure out how much space we need. We're in a very dynamic moment in time and COVID has changed things, and I think as every month goes on, we're realizing how fundamentally COVID has changed things. There's a lot fewer people in this building. There's a lot fewer people working in offices, and we really gotta figure that out. What do we truly need to build? And I know you've done some work in that respect but I don't know that we know yet. So I just really think Designing every single one of these buildings, you know with an urban context fronting on a street like you would do it downtown in the long run is the most efficient way to use this land. And you got to figure an edge somewhere because most recent buildings that were built were built in bizarre ways at angles that have no relationship to any kind of grid and any kind of urban environment but What you're building is the same thing.
It's just tighter together, so I know you know urban design. I know you know new urbanism. I know you embrace that. Your challenge is trying to apply it to this campus and this plan, and honestly, I just don't see it.
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Supervisor Lavenino?
Thank you, Madam Chair. Well first off, You were charged with taking a room full of toys that are scattered all over the place and trying to put them in the correct spot. And I think the other reason why we got to this crazy mishmash is that, reading the staff report, we bought the property in 1910. So it's been Frankenstein together since then. What was probably a good idea in 1953 to put this over here doesn't really relate to what we're doing today and exactly the Supervisor Hart's point, it's an interesting time for us to be analyzing this and dissecting it and figuring out where we're going to go in the next 30 or 40 years right when we're in this transition of what does the workplace look like anymore?
You know talking to a lot of people in the private sector Just like us, one of their driving costs is how to house their employees and energy costs, buildings. Do we really need these things? We need them to the scale of what we needed them in the past. The price tag alone is just so staggering. It's hard. When I look at widening the 101 that took us 25-30 years to figure out how we were going is in this neighborhood of cost.
So we'd have to get pretty creative, I'm not getting too worried about exactly making commitments right now because the price tag's so huge that I understand that this is gonna be something we're gonna have to do in very small bites along the way but I know we wanna get started on it. I agree with Supervisor Hart also that I know it's hard for us to do as a government agency A lot of our buildings are sitting on some of the most prime real estate in the world.
And I don't think we've ever looked at, not since I've been here, some new creative open ideas about how do we maximize the return of that while still being able to do the job that we do? This meeting is being recorded. So, I'm not exactly sure where all my colleagues are and what we would be doing with that other space. I know Supervisor Williams would like to put housing there. I'm not sure if that's something you would think the county would own the housing or we'd sell it out to a developer or what exactly the situation is but I'm open to all ideas because what we have right now quite frankly doesn't work for anybody so I am right now just interested, I went through all the slides with you. I think it's well thought out as far as the financial part of it and which way we would need to go but I'm not sure policy wise what's the smartest if that's the direction we really want to go so I'm kind of open to everything Like I said, I think for me the most important thing is kind of getting rid of the old mentality of these are the buildings that we're in.
This is how we do things when things are rapidly changing right now and a really dynamic work environment.
Supervisor Williams?
I just wanted to get sort of an understanding of, you know, maybe the nature of occult feet just a little bit more. So I heard one question of whether this scale of square footage is ultimately needed and I want to make sure I got that right. And then the other one was a design And I just, you know, I want to maybe speak to the design thing because I think this happens very often early on in processes. You know we haven't expended money for architects and for renderings and for all that sort of stuff that really takes so I mean typically this early in projects and I know you're going to remember this one because you've been through enough projects yourself They all look blockish and ugly, right? And usually that's when members of the public go crazy before they see any renderings or other things because you really can't without additional expense be visioning in that manner.
I think we would hold And I think it's important for us to make sure that we are providing the appropriate Knowing that some of these things are kind of more clear than the other, especially some of these things earlier on in the workflow like, you know, the puff isn't going to last forever. You know we need massive changes to the health care campus. and maybe the suggestion is to wrestle with, is there enough here to be proceeding on environmental review so that we can start those processes while giving direction on really critical thinking about the ultimate amount of square footage that's needed. And if less square footage is needed then we can either spend less money or we have more And ultimately I just want to very much explain my vision in the workforce housing model because it intersects with these, particularly that big four building and potentially at the juvenile hall.
The programs that Cottage and UCSB have, it's essentially for sale housing that the occupant is required to sell under certain conditions to another employee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the public. We've taken care of the problem or helped the problem for one generation, but then we need to acquire more land or do more projects for future generations. To me, the model should be self-replicating to some extent and how that's done I don't presume to have all the answers. My idea in doing it is to try to do it in a way, some manner that expands Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Where they're required to get an 80% loan, 10% down. And where we're the holder as an IOU for the additional 10%. So it becomes a revenue producing arrangement for the county but we're doing so in a way An employee would be eligible for housing that would otherwise not be eligible for housing on the South Coast because they're putting a 10% down instead of 20%.
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Let's see, I had just a very simple question to start off with. For the one-stop permit shopping, I didn't hear environmental health and that's a key one in my mind that really needs to be... A lot of building involves them and if we want to encourage collaboration then that's one that I would include if that's an opportunity. Any comments or
no, we'd love to have environmental health. I mean, I think it's a one stop shop for any of the permitting that we might need across the county depending on what the individual or the group may be so.
And then my next point is, I'm persuaded by your argument that there's a lot of efficiencies to be gained by consolidating our operations. Where do we have land to do that? It's here. I think it would be interesting to have an analysis of how many employees are in the Thank you very much. I'm not bothered by the idea of creating a central campus here, and I think our county is big enough.
We need north and south. I'm scratching my head a bit about Supervisor Hart's idea about new urbanism. What we'd like to see is a more walkable community with plazas where people interact and parking isn't everywhere. And to me, that's the kind of design. So I think Supervisor Hart, if you want to explain more about that, I would be eager to hear.
And I think to what I would do is, I would start with Cayo Real because it's the most publicly visible section. And I would treat that edge of this design as the way to define what this is going to look like. We're going to have a meeting with the board of Supervisors. And I think that approach would result in a much more efficient use of that land. And I think you could consolidate everything you're doing in a smaller footprint, leaving more land available for other purposes. Now obviously, you're trying to work with an existing building environment that has no relationship to that at all. But fortunately that Kyrie L edge is pretty open. And I think you have an opportunity there at that corner of Kyrie L community delivery media to define what this is going to look like, and then work from that point back but You know, and maybe the health building that you're proposing needs to go there along that street front because it is the highest priority.
That's what I would do. I would be looking at this from a site planning standpoint. You know, I understand you're gonna revise the specific architecture of your building and they're all gonna have lots of design and lots of good treatment but when you show the plan that shows these diagonal buildings all over the place because the other buildings were put on a diagonal, you're perpetuating the same thing?
And is that a hard thing to correct or to adjust?
Again, I think that we have the opportunity here to make some adjustments as the campus itself goes through the design development process. I think we are going to be looking for efficiencies in terms of buildings' uses and tenants, as well as just connectivity to building-to-building. I think that's very important. It's one of the issues that came up in many of the interviews that we did is it's just the current campus is not well connected And I don't disagree. We can certainly harden the edges, we can move some of the buildings in certain locations. There are some infrastructure obstacles that we do have but there's very little that can't be overcome. So yeah, I do believe that we have an opportunity to make some minor changes.
So Supervisors, that's why we're having this discussion today and I do appreciate Supervisor Hart because looking at good urban design. So a couple of things for the board to consider would be we're presenting this for the first time to you in a public setting to have this discussion. to talk to Patrick, obviously. But if you do want to—they are working with, given all the interviews they did, talking to different folks, board members and staff and users facilities If you wanted us to do more of an urban feel, like a grid, put in different things, increase densities in some areas. We could do that. That would be a different plan but we could do that.
This plan I think... To start in EIR we need square footages. And we would want to figure out what the maximum would be for EIR purposes. But we also need to know general locations, I believe, you know, to figure out where traffic would be generated, etc., and what impacts would be. But this is your time to tell us and as much effort and time we spent in this, this is your vision.
And some of the things that Supervisor Nelson also said was, look are there other things that we might better place in North County or Mid-County? And as the Chair said well this is the land we own. This is the largest and we want but we could also say what potentially if that's where we're going to go. So I guess from my perspective this is planning so out into the future we want to get started with some things but you know If your preference is for a different type of design, you should let us know today. Mr.
Frappell, anything more to add to that?
Thank you for that. I think part of what you're seeing here and I appreciate it's not on a great urban grid but part of what you're seeing here is a function of topography of the site and watersheds So we can certainly look at it. How do we square that up? How do we make it more efficient? Happy to do that. You know, I'm looking at where 2A and 7B are in that.
It would be nice if it lined up neatly with the street. So that's also a watershed area that comes down through there. So, that's a planning constraint we would have and so certainly that doesn't dismiss or negate the ability to square this up and make things more efficient but it is just a constant that we have to account for.
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And that is very helpful and I for one am not, I think Supervisor Hart raises a very important point how it integrates with the neighboring adjacent communities but a grid for me isn't the end all and be all of urban design. In fact, I think some of the most charming places aren't on grids. That's kind of abstract and just forced onto things One of our greatest assets, of course is this building.
And I think it would be interesting to hear from colleagues how they think about staying here forever or whether we're at all open to selling this building and what this building might be worth. Supervisor Williams?
What I hope in this and in the question of this building is what, you know, what is going to be the most easy to commute to? And what is going to be the easiest to get to for our customers or constituents. And for that reason, you need to have a social services North County and you need to have a social services South County. You just do. But I think it's important for general services staff to wrestle with that and continue to ask the question even if we're ready to move forward which ones of these do we really need? Are there any that would be better elsewhere And I for one, while this place is a lot more convenient for me personally than the county campus would be.
I'm a small minority of the workforce and I wanna look at where the workforce is and it seems to me a lot of our workforce isn't... There are a lot of Ventura County workers that work for us and I suppose that they're aligned with me personally But the We have much more workers that live in Goleta, in the San Ynez Valley and in North County. And so it seems that from a commute perspective, that's clear. From serving the public perspective I don't know for sure. I think that would be some wrestling that would need to go on but I would think that that would probably be the case that ultimately an administration building there Would be easier for more members of the public to get to as well.
And if that's the case, then we use this place which is prime real estate for something that is ultimately self-defeating for our own workers and for the public. If that's the conclusion of looking at those numbers then I'd be at peace with with moving it, and using this site to ensure the economic survivability of people in the South County by making a—this would be an incredible site that both the community of Santa Barbara could use to our constituents' advantage.
Supervisor Nielsen?
Yes, thank
you Chair
Hartman. Yeah, that kind of gets back again to where I was saying that we need to focus on what has got to be regionalized. What fits for South Coast if we're just looking at this master plan? Otherwise you need to look at a county-wide master plan. To answer Chair Hartman's question the only building in my opinion that's untouchable is the courthouse down here. Other than that I think everything is up to negotiations at some point. You know whether it's the cost benefit analysis how do we run a better organization And again, this project for the scope of it you guys did a great job but there are bigger questions out there that we still need to answer as a board.
You know one stop shop permitting that probably should be mid-county right? I mean because that's you know most the growth that we're going to see is going to be you know north and south or else we're gonna have to duplicate that function at north and south one stop shop planning You know, I see the Ag Commissioner's office is in here. It's another 5,000 square feet. Most of our agriculture operation is up north. So again, I would like to see if we do move forward with this plan things that are really regionalized that we need no matter what, behavioral wellness, public health. I don't think we're gonna see a change with the Sheriff's Campus there. That's kind of a function that we've decided we're gonna go North and South on that with the jail at least some of us have and that doesn't seem to be going away Thank you, Madam Chair.
This is the curse of having a geographically spread out county because just yesterday I had to deal with
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Very upset constituent because the elections office in Santa Maria is not open 24-7, seven days a week. And so I try to explain well as we get closer to election someone's going to be here and he's like yeah but what? I'm not driving to Santa Barbara. So I get regionalization however If you put it in mid-county, I think we get to that part where now we've made both sides mad. Right? Nobody from Santa Maria wants to drive to Buelton to get a permit. Nobody from Santa Barbara wants to drive to Buelton to get a permit.
And Buelton is surrounded by a lot of agricultural land. It's just a small community, a square mile so I think that's a real constraint.
Yeah. I feel bad because I'm always one of these people that gets upset when everybody's, when people come to me and they say this is a problem and that's the problem but I'm always like okay well what's your solution? And I'm not bringing one today so that's not good. And I'm not married to this building at all. You're right, the courthouse is hands off but for me this building just sits on a really sweet piece of property and piece of land and you know this is probably not the ultimate use for it so and I think it's very valuable and we could fund some of the other things that we want to do elsewhere I think we just have to come to grips with the fact that we are geographically spread out. We have to maximize what our constituents expect, and that is it's not just social services and mental health and the important, very, very important things that we do that have to be in both locations.
But even the smaller things, people just have to be able to access our services, and they can't do that driving a half hour or 45 minutes somewhere. I know this is the first time we're discussing it and I'm sure you guys are like, we're not getting a lot of great direction. But this is something that's going to take a long time. It's not going to happen next month.
So let me ask, are you saying then we need two centers north and south? Well, I think almost
everything that we need in the north I don't really feel like I'm sending people south for anything except elections. And that's not all the time. Is
our elections down here open 24-7? Yeah, yeah.
I
don't think
so. I'm pretty sure. Well, not 24- 7. I am not saying 24- seven. I mean every day of the week year round. Right. So in Santa Maria it is limited to just right around election time people get freed up to come up to Santa Maria and work up in that area. That's something I can work with Joe with and figure out how to get more coverage but I don't think just taking everything and moving it to the middle is the answer either. I think we really need two distinctive, we're too far away from each other to be able to just put services in one or the other, or even in the middle so.
Not a lot of help.
I mean, I think that is helpful and I'm just thinking about Supervisor Nelson's thought. I think to develop an entire countywide master plan we would be planning forever but maybe there's a way that we could at least descriptively figure out I'm just wondering, theoretically, what belongs where? Where are we underserved? Would something like that work? Could somebody help me articulate better what I'm trying to say.
I think our focus early on should be things that we know are going to be South County no matter what happens. Population shifts, you know what the need is already there. I know this is forward looking to try and say hey, what other uses can we co-locate? Maybe if we got rid of this building, maybe if something happened in the future how do we get as much stuff on a county campus as possible? And again great job with that but I do think we need to be asking ourselves some of these questions. Are these the best locations for some of these places
It's
been a very interesting morning. So it's from a public policy perspective and a staff perspective, if I could do it over—and remember we started this before COVID and it was a long period in general services began all this because this was staff generated for the public's knowledge. Because General Services saw the maintenance issues and we had demands on the campus by all the different departments, and were saying no and this isn't the best so we said we need to organize this better. And General Services with the board support knowledge let's do But it sounds like we should have stepped even before that to get maybe even some kind of facilitated discussion among your board because I'm still not sure if your priorities are the priorities that we've articulated today.
So, that's one thing but the other thing is we do have properties getting into this specific issue. We do have properties in North County at Foster Road. You know obviously we have the Santa Maria Center and Betterevia Center that we use and so maybe it's looking at some of the land that we do own Is there a better, in parallel to this, is there better uses of that? More efficiencies?
We have county services throughout. We have them in Lompoc, we have different places and so we're not efficient because we want to serve our public. We want to be where the public is and particularly on our public health clinics as you know. We have mental health sites, B-Well or contracted services in different locations. As far as county government, the administration of county government.
I don't know many counties that actually have two administration centers. So I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions. So going back to the Coyote Rail Grant Master Plan, we could look in parallel to this of looking at what other opportunities are there in the other land that we own to see how efficient we can be. But I do want to get back to this plan because that's what we're here today for and as Mr. Frapwell had talked about some of the constraints on the land but maybe at this point I mean, we've set out different adjacencies which is important for us because after all the interviews this is what we think needs to go together.
And I want to just stress to the public this master plan is not about making life better for our employees. Our employees are dedicated. We have employees who don't have any air conditioning currently. We have employees with asbestos over their heads and tiles falling down and that would be in my office. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. us needing an opportunity to make it more accessible to the public and better and easier for them to use. And you're all right that we don't know what services the public is going to be using, but we know we have a puff where some days there's no air conditioning. We know that we need to do a better job of integrating mental health and public health into our healthcare campus where it's easier for people to go to and get services So all of that, so I think the most important thing for us was looking at the adjacencies and the combination of how those work.
And we were trying to do this site. So if you could tell us maybe today what...I think you've talked about, I guess I don't know where the board majority is on this but what are things that you liked that we've done or other things you'd like us to go back and change if anything?
And before we get to that, I think the adjacencies. That's a fundamental principle that we think will better serve the public and is there an argument for why they need to be in South County? Are those the kinds of adjacencies that are it's not administrative, it's more service oriented so could you elaborate on that a bit?
Well, I think that part of it is some of our we have shown some of our public health clinics or mental clinic. So we have those in north and south. So the South County Clinic is on that piece of land. So that's one thing. We have the Puff for always you know, we've done lots of different studies about what's our whole mental health needs? And so but that's currently here if there's another location we think better or if there's more beds if we get the IMD waiver all those kinds of things that could be expanded and we've talked about And so we have crisis services here and I'm talking about just the beginning, the 1A of the B-Well building. I think a lot of those services should be here and we are replicating those services in North County.
As far as the other things, the Commons buildings where we have the Ag Commissioner, Employees University, those kinds of things. So I'm going to go ahead and get started. Those are the kinds of things we're looking at, but I think the one thing that the staff came up with they thought was most important was trying to consolidate and get a better health care building. And plus, the state has been saying you need to do better job given the pandemic all public health departments need to do a better job of ensuring they have the right facilities and staff.
Supervisor
Williams?
Yeah, my understanding is we should at least at the initial stages concentrate on what is necessary for environmental review. We can do with environmental review, we can do environmental review and then choose to not do something but my understanding with environmental review is you You want to put in all the things that you may do, or at least as much as possible that you may do because you can always decide to not do something going forward. And I would particularly ask you guys to look at the slide for the health care campus.
What of this would we not need? We need all of this stuff So, you know, some of these are things that we also have a need in the north but we have need in both sides of the county to Mr. Lavanillo's point. My sense is let's try to, with some guidance to staff, be able to move forward on environmental review. And if in the future we are a situation where we double up on workstations because we've created a good hybrid work environment then that's awesome, that's great and we can build the building smaller or we can have more room for other purposes.
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So today it's just a receive and file. You're not really even asking us for direction about commencing environmental review, is that correct? That would come back?
Madam Chair, on the board letter we're asking specifically to receive and file correct. I think it's what we were hoping today is to create a forum to hear from each of you with respect to your relative priorities as we move forward. I think that although we don't need formal action from your board today, if kind of the consensus is that we move forward to initiate the environmental process then we would go out to bid and find a firm to help us with that. And then ultimately come back to your board for ultimate approval prior to any start I do think that what we can work on as staff is to look at configurations of the blocks here on the map. To maximize efficiency, to make sure they're creating an environment which most effectively offers and presents services to the residents that need them.
So we can look at that, different ways of doing that. I think the environmental review is kind of looking, it's gonna be focused on mass, it's gonna be focused on services, it'll be focused on the number of constituents that we serve. It's gonna be looking at general traffic. Programmatic EIR is looking broadly and then as the board directs if we're moving forward in any specific facility, then there's a kind of environmental review there to ensure consistency with the programmatic EIR.
And to address if there's not consistency. So I'm hoping today to make sure that we understand your board's collective priority and direction.
CEO Miyasato did you have more to add?
No, Supervisor. I think Mr. Brackwell articulated it well that I think given your discussion today the adjacencies of the blocks those kinds of things staff would then work to see what our next steps were and if there were contracts to be brought back for the board to start other types of work we would bring that back to the board.
Supervisor La Bonina?
Thank you one thing I would like is to see for us just generally, what is the value of this building that we're in? And I think that'd be interesting.
I do too and it might be a way we could jumpstart this effort depending on the phasing which is quite complex.
My guess is the building is not worth very much, but the land is worth ungodly amounts of money.
Supervisors, I would just caution you because we all hope and wish that this land is valued. It really is depending on what the ultimate use would be and that's going to Yeah, and that's a policy discussion for the board in the future because even if we wanted to do housing just looking at what the City of Santa Barbara has gone through to maximize the value it would be luxury housing but I don't think the board would want to be doing that.
Some of you may some of you may not so again all the policy discussions will then probably dictate the value
Okay, so some of the themes we've heard are adjacency and how it relates to the surrounding neighborhood. This issue of north-south and I think there's more to be done there to help us understand that a little better. It may already exist or it would be another phase, what we would do elsewhere. But just to have that whole context in mind I think is important. And I think you heard something important about this building that we understand that this is an asset and that it may enable us to get a more coherent campus and we're open to that.
So I think, and I guess I'd just like to get a sense. Are the board members, although we're not voting on that at this moment, is initiating a programmatic EIR something that we're willing to endorse?
Chair Herman, yeah, as you know with an EIR, we can do less. And so I think as expansive as possible is a good strategy, so I support that.
Okay, and Supervisor Lavinino? Yes. And I am a yes.
I'm an emphatic yes.
And Supervisor Hart? Okay, is there any other questions that you think staff would help you in your further work?
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Well first off, I just enjoyed the conversation today. This is planning at a master level I really appreciate the comments. We're hearing some good things. We had great conversations prior to this individually, and I think we're hearing some things that help provide us with some future vision. So thank you for that.
Well, and thank you. There was an enormous amount of work that went into this and then especially the chart with the economics. And I think you've got all our attention with the maintenance costs and trying to address that going forward. It's just kind of money down the drain. OK, I think then we need a motion to receive and file and determine that this is exempt from CEQA.
So moved? Second
all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion passes so closed session County Council, what will we be doing in closed session?
Thank You madam chair members of the board we have quite a few items today for closed session We have two cases of existing litigation Scott versus County of Santa Barbara and XHR Santa Barbara LLC versus the county. Both of them are Santa Barbara County Superior Court cases. We have one case of anticipated litigation, the Board of Supervisors sitting as the board of directors for the Flood Control and Water Conservation District. Significant exposure to civil litigation, one case.
We have conference with labor negotiators, all bargaining units on representative employees, managers and executives. The agency designated representatives are CEO Monomi Asado and HR Director Maria Elena de Guevara And we have real property negotiators, conference with real property negotiators. There's four properties, APN 128-085-044, the Southside Parkway and Center Parkway in Santa Maria, California.
And the agency negotiator, Jeanette Pell, negotiating party Elizabeth Funk on behalf of Dignity Moves. We have APN 059-140029, a series of addresses at that Cal Real campus. Again it's Jeanette Powell for agency and Elizabeth Funk for Dignity Moves for the negotiating party. We have APN 099-420016 2025 Sweeney Road in Lompoc. Agency negotiator Jeanette Powell and negotiating party Sylvia Bernard on behalf of Good Sam And APN 061-040012, 4500 Hollister Avenue in Santa Barbara.
Again it's Jeanette Pell, Negotiating Party, Elizabeth Funk on behalf of Dignity Moves and for all of these items that are negotiation is price in terms of payment and we have one item of anticipated litigation deciding whether to initiate civil litigation, one case.
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Supervisor Nelson?
Yeah I was just checking to see if there was any public comment at this point for closed session.
Madam Chair, we do not have any requests to speak.
All right. Thank you. I just want to comment on a public comment letter that came in this morning about closed session. I just wanted that somehow our board is not being transparent with our work in the homelessness world and I just think that's absurd and really embarrassing. This board for the last two years has spent significant time having public hearings and discussions about dealing with the homelessness issues in our community that are impacting our businesses, our waterways, our hospital beds. And we're gonna continue to have these discussions as a group and publicly. I know Supervisor Labenino and I along with Mayor Patino and Councilwoman Waterfield have been working together on finding some solutions in the Santa Maria Valley. And the idea that we're doing things behind closed doors or outside the view of public or without representation is absurd and embarrassing.
And I just wanted to say that for the record.
Supervisor Lovenino.
Well, thank you, Madam Chair. And I agree with that. It's you know, anybody driving through Santa Maria can witness the explosion of homeless encampments along the freeway and the riverbeds in the city parks in residential areas is just flat out unacceptable. We have to address it and we can argue all day about why people are there due to the high cost of housing Is it due to drugs and alcohol? Is it due to untreated mental health issues? Is it due to the breakdown of the family structure?
Yes, to all of those things. But the people I speak to that are constituents, they want this addressed. Of course many of the solutions they provide to me are basically illegal in the state of California so we can't do those things. What is amazing to me is that some of the people that are really opposed to some of the things we're doing, um, are also very religious.
And for me it's just shocking that we're supposed to ignore some of these things and so When I read that email this morning, talking about it's a new woke strategy that we're helping the homeless. I'll just say, I'll quote something from a book that many of those people that are opposed to this hold very dear and that's the Bible. And there's a passage that came to mind that says for I was hungry you gave me food. I was thirsty you gave me drink.
I was a stranger and you welcomed me I was naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. And people will say well when did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you as a stranger and welcome you? And the answer will be truly I say to you that as you did it to one of the least of my brethren, you did it to me I know not everybody agrees with all of the strategies, but the idea to simply ignore these people because they're outside.
It's unethical, it's immoral and I'm going to do everything that we can to try to provide a humane answer to this while at the same time While at the same time, providing protections for those people who will be around these areas that we're going to try to establish. That will benefit the community at large. I've already been asked about things like well Is there going to be security at these sites? Yes. Is there going to be wraparound services? Yes. Will there be impacts to the businesses nearby? Of course, but those businesses are already impacted by the homeless so we're gonna be doing our best and I guess that's all I want to say it this time but if you don't agree with the strategy please just agree with the idea that
Thank you so much for that passage from Matthew. That is what county government does, the safety net. Supervisor Williams?
Yeah I have always been tremendously inspired by that passage. You know Christians usually call that the sheep and the goats Because there's another side of that passage too. I didn't go there. The ramifications of not having compassion, but you know what I've always noticed about that which is really like the mission statement of human compassion really? Like for 2,000 years that passage is and there's no like out of like oh you know Unless you're smelly, or unless you're ornery, or unless you're difficult to deal with. There's no out like that. There's no absolving of compassion just because we're dealing with a difficult population to have compassion for.
And I would just say there is no double standard with the private sector. If someone wants to do this on a private parking lot We're going to open up doors for them like this. So I challenge somebody to have the courage to propose that, and then we'll see if there really is any double standard. Because I don't—we've been desperately looking for private locations willing to do this as well because we want to make a dent in the homeless. We want the public to see a reduction of homelessness, not a holding static.
I'm inspired by the courage of my colleagues and this is definitely one of the days I'm proud to be serving with you all.
So, closed session. We've completed our business agenda for today except closed session will be back about 115? 130? Madam Chair
I would say my goal is an hour and a half. There's been a few items that have been added since then but I think we can still make it. And maybe even a little earlier if we move fast.
So somewhere between one and 115 we hope. All right. Thank you. Good afternoon. We're reconvening the September 13th, 2022 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors after closed session. County Council would you please report out?
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Thank you Madam Chair. The board met in closed session on two cases of existing litigation Scott versus County of Santa Barbara and XHR Santa Barbara LLC versus the county one case of anticipated litigation as the board of directors for the flood control district significant exposure to civil litigation one case Conference with labor negotiators for all bargaining units on represented employees managers and executives conference with real property negotiators For Southside Parkway in Center Pointe Parkway in Santa Maria Cal Reale campus and Galita the 22 2025 Sweeney Road in Lompoc and 4500 Hollister Avenue in Santa Barbara and one item of anticipated litigation Deciding whether to initiate civil litigation one case and the board took no reportable action
Thank you with that we are adjourned to Tuesday September 20th in Santa Barbara.