BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 April 21, 2023

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.870:30

Good morning. I will call the April 21st, 2023 meeting of the Board of Supervisors and Budget Workshops for Fiscal 2023-24 to order. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Roll call, called by Clerk of the Board
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Supervisor Hartman? Here. Supervisor Katz? Here. Supervisor Nelson? Here Supervisor Lavinino? Here And Chair Williams? Here
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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.870:52

At this time please stand and join me in pledging allegiance to the flag

Madam Clerk are there any announcements or changes to the agenda?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:17

Chair Williams and members of the board I do have a couple quick announcements this morning. I would like to note for those that intend to address the board, there will be an opportunity for public comment at the conclusion of each functional group in special issue presentation if you are registering to provide verbal public comment through zoom please note which functional group you would like to speak on in your online registration General public comment for items not on today's agenda will be at the conclusion of today's budget workshop schedule. Lastly, for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda please see page two of the agenda. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2.

If you have any questions, please contact the clerk of the board's office at area code 805-568-2240. Again that's 805-568-2240. That concludes my announcements this morning.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:22

That brings us to the third day of budget workshops. I will now turn it over to CEO Mona Miyasato.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:30

Thank you, Chair Williams. And we're going to start this next section on policy and executive with the overview. And these are the last functional group of departments with Steve and you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:43

Good morning, Chair Williams and members of the board. As noted in the intro slide, the Policy and Executive Functional Group consists of County Council, County Executive Office, a Board of Supervisors, and general county programs. This functional group receives 30% of the county's general fund contribution at 108 million, in large part due to the General County Programs Department which receives GFC for a wide variety of programs and policies including cannabis revenues, 18% maintenance funding and Northern Branch Jail Operations Funding before these are transferred out to departments.

The functional group also makes up 6% of county-wide operating expenditures and just 2% of the county's FTEs at 108. In this diagram, we illustrate the flow of operating revenue and GFC to the functional group departments. In total, the functional group receives 200 million in funding, 108 million of which comes from GFC and 92 million is operating revenue.

Of the 200 million general county programs comprises the largest share at 47% or almost 94 million, 86 million of which is GFC, which again is transferred out to departments to fund board approved policies and programs. The County Executive Office receives about 46% of the functional group total, or $92 million. About $84 million of which is risk fund revenue that gets collected from all departments for insurance payments and ARPA funds that are received in CEO but get passed through as transfers out to departments.

In Operating Revenue and GFC Trends, you'll notice that CEO Risk Fund and ARPA are driving revenue. General County Programs' GFC allocation is driven by the programs and policies mentioned previously. Expenditures in Board of Supervisors and Council mostly mirror revenues. CEO expenditures show lower than the sources on the previous slide largely due to ARPA-related transfers made to departments that are not considered an operating expenditure.

Similarly, General County Programs also shows lower than the sources on the previous slide as they transfer fund balances to other departments. Again these transfers are not considered operating expenditures. And finally, the FTE trend shows relatively flat in Board of Supervisors and Council. While the CEO's office has had increases over the five-year period that includes positions to staff the Cannabis Program, a Compliance and Accountability Officer, an Emergency Preparedness Outreach Coordinator, and positions to support the CEO Department REORG, to name a few.

In addition to the reduction of some positions such as six Office of Emergency Management positions being transferred to fire in fiscal year 23-24. CEO Mia Sato will be discussing FTE further as part of the CEO department presentation. And that concludes the overview for the policy and executive functional group.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.875:41

Any questions from board? Then we will go on to county council.

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CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated6:16

Mister chair members of the board. Good morning, I'm Rachel Van Molen County Council last year. I talked about how no one's really ever heard of county council and they don't know what we do not much has changed on that front so for the benefit of the public today. I'm going to talk a little bit about what our office does We are the county's in-house counsel. We're an internal law firm, and our clients are your board, the CEO, all of the county officers and departments you've heard from this week, and special districts.

We divide our work into two categories. We support county departments by advising on legal requirements so that they can provide programs and services to the community, and we protect the county treasury by litigating Your county council teams had a great year, juggling a lot of competing priorities. That included continuing to litigate our large time-intensive cases, our COVID backlog of cases and preparing for 11 upcoming civil jury trials.

We also continued to litigate our ongoing portfolios such as child welfare, probate, conservatorships and assessment appeals. We did all of this while also advising your board, the CEO, all the county departments and special districts on major programs and projects. And working on process improvements within our office. Our operating budget is $12,404,200 which is approximately 10.6 million of that as general fund. And you're gonna see this information displayed in a few different ways over the next few slides.

All of our funds are used for legal services. And our staffing is 45 employees, which includes 32 attorneys and our legal office professionals and our business manager. I'm going to break that staffing down a bit further. So we support the county departments, and this includes through reviewing and advising on hundreds of contracts and grants, resolutions and ordinances, assisting on real property transactions, land use permitting and enforcement and capital projects. The majority of items that come to your board on a weekly basis go through our office for review.

Many of our attorneys litigate full-time, and this litigation protects the county treasury. Sometimes we bring in revenue such as our three attorneys and legal office professionals that litigate assessment appeals and bringing property tax dollars And sometimes we protect the county from having to pay out funds that it's not warranted, such as our office prevailing in a federal jury trial this year where the plaintiff sought millions of dollars in damages.

Instead of having to pay millions of dollars in damages they had to pay some of our litigation costs. We have approximately five attorneys and three legal office professionals that litigate about 45 cases ongoing. We resolve cases, and then new cases come in. These are personal injury, civil rights, employment litigation, and property rights. These cases are time intensive, involve a lot of discovery, and tend to last for years.

Last year our office resolved 27 of these types of cases with 56% with no county payout. We also have four attorneys and two legal office professionals that support social services. They litigate an average of 600 dependency cases annually, and each of those cases represents a child that Social Services is helping. While many of our attorneys litigate full-time, some of our attorneys litigated and also advise departments.

For instance, we have an attorney that advises the Public Guardian and the Agricultural Commissioner. And also litigates gun violence restraining orders and restraint motions for the Sheriff's Department. We have an attorney that advises on financial items. Advises Community Services Department on Libraries and Arts Commission. And advises Laguna Sanitation.

And also litigates assessment appeals. And we have an attorney that litigates water law and federal land use cases, advises planning and development in the Planning Commission and the Agricultural Preserve Advisory Committee. And is also part of our Emergency Operations Center team during emergencies. All of our attorneys and legal office professionals need to be an expert at more than one area of law and have to be flexible as our county priorities change.

Over the next few slides, you're going to see our goals and some of how we met all of our renew goals and performance measures. And there's a lot of overlap in material there. We've had more than 30% of our staff attend InnovateSPC. We retained 98% of our staff over the last three years. We've completed stay interviews with all of our staff and continue to do that annually, and we met with the CEO and department heads to get feedback and begin implementing that feedback which you're going to see in a minute with our expansion request.

We've increased our training of county departments so that we can be even more proactive. We're implementing our case management system and we've been working with KPMG as they finalize their report, and we have completed or in progress of implementing their recommendations. We have no service level reductions and we have one expansion request. Our expansion request is for one Deputy County Counsel for $210,000.

This is for advisory legal support for all the county departments and two special districts on labor relations, employee relations, benefits, disability, leaves of absence and civil service. When I've been meeting with department heads, the repeated request is for more support on personnel related issues. So this expansion would be responsive to those requests and also would help us implement our KPMG recommendation of more external trainings.

You've heard a lot of expansion requests this week, a lot of good ones. And I completely understand that funding is limited and that this may not be the most satisfying way to spend those funds but outside council costs have gone up substantially. The low end is now five to seven hundred dollars an hour So keeping this in-house would be a substantial savings for the county.

It's really about problem prevention and avoiding future liability, which overall saves the county money in the long run. Before I conclude, I just want to thank the whole County Council team and my management team who's here with me as well as CEO Miyasato, Assistant CEO Nancy Anderson, Budget Director Paul Clementi and our analyst Wesley Welch for all their help throughout the year and through this budget process.

For my quote, I picked a song And this song reflects how I feel and how we feel about our client departments, and officers in our special districts as well as our staff. If you got a problem, I got a problem too. It's a song by Joy Oladokun and I'm going to paraphrase the chorus. If you've got a problem, I got a problem too. If your standing at the bottom, I'll reach out for you.

If you need someone to lean on I can be strong. I will carry you through because if you got a problem, I got a problem too. And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8714:09

I can't think of a better quote for a team of attorneys. Oh my God! I feel so validated in my life. Questions from the board?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8914:25

How do you not grant, if you got a problem we got a problem too. That's the way we look

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed14:33

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8714:34

it. Supervisor Capps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9214:39

Yeah I just wanted to thank County Council and the entire team. You really helped me get up to speed on so many different policies and just I've been pretty much overwhelmed by the breadth of the work that you do here. I've been in other organizations where Council sort of called in when there's just litigation, but it's so much farther than that. And I'm just very impressed with your 98% retention rate. That's incredible these days especially and it's a testament to the leadership. So thank you.

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated15:09

Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8715:13

We'll go on to Nancy Anderson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed15:18

So board members this morning, Chief Assistant Nancy Anderson will be presenting the Board of Supervisors budget and as well as the CEO's budget. And you know, this is the last budget workshop for Wesley Welch. I keep saying that to maybe hope that that will go away but unfortunately it's the case.

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction15:59

Good morning, Chair Williams and members of the board. I am pleased to provide a budget overview for the budget units related to the Board of Supervisors and as CEO Miyasato indicated, I'm happy to also acknowledge Business Manager Wes Welch for his work on this and he is available to answer any questions as well. So some of the key challenges and emerging issues the board offices are addressing include long-term financial stability of the county by balancing priorities and mandated requirements, support and work towards a more inclusive and equitable future for the county, support and work towards resiliency in the county's water supply, drought conditions and changing climate impacts, and the severe lack of affordable and workforce housing in the county.

The total operating budget for these offices is $4.1 million, and that is fully funded through the general fund contribution. There are 18.875 FTE positions authorized for these budget units. As indicated, the BORA offices are funded entirely by general fund contribution. This slide shows the funding distribution between district offices that has remained relatively flat.

This slide shows the staffing level for the past five years. The staffing for next fiscal year is declining 0.75 FTE to 18.9 FTE, this is a result of a net of a deletion of one position after retirement and an increase in existing position converting from part-time to full time. This slide shows the board office budgets have remained relatively flat over the past five years with slight increases primarily for negotiated labor increases and insurance premium costs.

Some of the anticipated accomplishments noted by board offices include continued work on long-term budgetary issues to promote fiscally sound and sustainable county, support in significant investment in homeless facilities and services and encampment cleanup. Actively partnering with regional leaders to advance broadband capabilities and the development of a Santa Barbara Broadband Strategic Plan and supportive increased investment to improve critical infrastructure including streets sidewalks and lighting Here are a few of the goals and objectives noted by board offices for next fiscal year, including the efficient and effective use of public resources and focus to maintain the long-term fiscal sustainability of the county. Support and enhancement of economic vitality efforts in the county, including the continued participation in Vandenberg Space Force Base Master Plan MOU, and the completion of regional comprehensive economic development strategy for access to EDA grant funding.

development of proactive solutions with other partners to address homeless right and homeless crisis and the prioritization of infrastructure Needs including roads drainage and water storage to address growth and future storm events There are no service level reductions within these budget units And in summary, the board offices will continue to support and provide the quality public services to the people this count in Santa Barbara County That concludes a presentation happy to answer any questions you may have

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8719:19

Questions from the board? Let's move on to the CEO's office.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed19:25

Before Ms. Anderson begins the CEO's report, I just want to first of all take a moment and thank all our department directors. So this is my ninth budget with the county. It seems hard to believe right when I knew Supervisor Nelson was just the Chief of Staff. I'm saying this really to just remind everyone where we were and we'll be talking about that in a little bit, but to thank your board.

And when I greet new employees and I said what's the county's administrator or county executive office's job? And I said my job is to make sure the Board of Supervisors in the county is successful And that means a lot of different things. Ensuring mandates are enforced, making sure financially stable, making sure budget balance is all of that but it's really because I really believe and I say this that our job in my office is to ensure representative democracy works as expressed through your board and your policy decisions But it doesn't work by us alone. It works with us working with all our departments, county council, your board offices elected and appointed department directors.

So I just want to thank your board and all our departments because When I look back over the last nine years, I think we've come a long way. And one of the things that I've tried to do with all the departments is build a culture that will continue that ethos because the work that we do here today in this workshops it's important. It's the balancing. We talk about numbers and sense and different funds Thank you very much. Thank you.

My own staff and the public. This is sort of the sausage making but we never forget that the real impact and the real reason why here it's a set of policy document of funding because the real work happens outside of here And with that I'm going to hand it over to Nancy Anderson

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PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction21:40

Chair Williams and members of the board, this is a preliminary budget presentation for the county executive office. Our office is comprised of two budgetary programs. The first is County Management which includes Executive Management, Clerk of the Board, Cannabis Administration, Legislative Affairs and Economic Vitality, Communications Data Governance and Analytics, and the newly established Compliance and Accountability Division.

The second budget program is risk management. That includes the insurance programs for medical malpractice, workers' compensation, general liability in addition to employee insurance programs such as unemployment and dental. Our office, similar to many of the others that you have heard from this week are affected by some emerging issues and general key challenges that face county.

As noted here we are currently working to develop long-term strategies and policies to maintain service levels and fiscal stability. We're thoughtfully looking at changing organizational structures and processes to proactively adapt to new circumstances. We are assessing the budgetary and operational impacts of several legislative and state changes We are supporting the successful implementation of the county's new Workday Enterprise Resource Planning System or ERP and we are heavily focused on recruiting, retaining and developing qualified staff and proactively advancing effective succession planning.

This slide shows our budget summary with a total operating budget for both budget units of $65.8 million and the general fund contribution is $7.3 million. We have 44 authorized positions in our department. This slide shows the resources that support our functions. You will note that a significant amount, or 99% of these funds are related to risk management insurance programs at $53.8 million in addition to ARPA funds of $30 million that transfer through our budget.

The other sources are general fund contribution is 7.3 million and minor. Other funding from other transfers and some use of department fund balance. Here is a picture of our operating budget by the two programs, Risk Management at $53.2 million and County Management at $9.9 million. Here's a staffing summary. This year incorporates several changes within our office, netting to a reduction of four positions from last year. We added four positions related to a reorg approved and initiated mid-year.

It adds one position in risk management to assist with claims and redundancy. It includes the transfer of the IT director to the new IT department. It converts one equity outreach position funded through ARPA to contract for services It deletes one data analyst position and transfers the corresponding ARPA funding to the DA for a data consultant, and it reflects the transition of the Office of Emergency Management to the Fire Department.

Here's another view of our resources budgeted in our budget programs as indicated previously. Most of this relates to risk management insurance programs and ARPA passing through two other county departments. Our office has been very busy this year facilitating board priorities and carrying out the operational duties of multiple divisions within our office. I will just note a few of these on the next two slides that acknowledge our division's teams and for all of their great work.

This year we have coordinated efforts for further homeless support to the North County through the Dignity Moves Hope Village Project in Santa Maria, We worked with numerous partners to complete the first ever Santa Barbara Broadband Strategic Plan and started an internal working group with several departments to move that forward. With the help of our new PIO, Kelsey Batita, we launched expanded communication efforts to share county information and spotlight our parks and open spaces.

We successfully clerked the Board of Supervisors meetings with new talent and profound teamwork by the Clerk of the Board staff. We improved accountability of department risk management, loss and prevention efforts by creating scorecards and tracking related to policies and procedures to ensure they are in place. We have engaged a diversity equity and inclusion consultant with ARPA funding to begin an assessment to develop recommendations for comprehensive county DEI plan addressing department service and program gaps And we established the Compliance and Accountability Division, and have implemented the board's new policy for monitoring reporting on audit findings and recommendations.

However, our work is never done. These next few slides touch on some of the work we have planned for next year. We will continue to work on several critical initiatives and projects already in progress including criminal justice initiatives and implementation of the Digital Evidence Management System or DEMS with our justice partners. Implementation of the recommendations for the Broadband Strategic Plan. Implementation of the Workday ERP system and development of the County DEI plan. We also will be working on new projects such as assisting the review and implementation of new ambulance services models, development of one-stop shop risk management hub, implementation of a full cost recovery fee structure for cannabis administration and an innovate SBC Black Belt facilitators program.

Issuance of a first compliance and accountability report, coordination of the development of new countywide goals and objectives. And finally we intend to pursue the issuance of debt financing for critical capital project needs Here are a few of our performance measures. The first is related to estimating general fund discretionary revenues, which includes cannabis with the reduction of the estimate for 23-24 cannabis revenue and more typical growth on property taxes we anticipate this to be within range next fiscal year.

The second is a bilingual public communications and outreach issue. Our target is to increase this outreach in bilingual form by at least 10% and we're making progress towards that. One of our goals is to enhance county efforts towards economic vitality by expanding the number of active, collaborative regional economic initiatives or partnerships that the county is engaging in. We started that a few years ago initially with REACH and a few others that has expanded to include broadband, the SEDS, micro-business grants through the Santa Barbara Foundation and others. So we're making progress there as well.

The fourth performance measure is related to our new compliance and accountability function, Eventually over time eliminate repeat findings and post audit reviews. Currently from what we are seeing in our initial reviews of audits, we're running about 10%. That's rather high so our goal over time is to get that to zero. We have been successfully able to retain 100% of the six positions that we've added over the past five years These are three of several recommendations made by KPMG for our office. The first two related to a structured countywide strategic management process and measurement approach, and the Santa Barbara County Strategic Communication Plans are two things we plan to work on in the next fiscal year.

And the third has been completed. This one is in part due to the CEO organization initiated earlier this year, in addition to reevaluating how we establish responsibilities under the CEOs and the rest of our structure. We have no service level reductions. And in summary, we look forward to continue to make progress on several multi-year projects and bring some to fruition.

And we are ready to focus on new efforts as we adapt to our ever changing environment and to support your board the county departments in our community. Our quote is by the late Maddie Stepanek, a renowned author and poet. And we believe it reflects well upon our office. Unity is strength when there is teamwork and collaboration wonderful things can happen.

With that I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8730:18

Questions for the board? Supervisor Labadino

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8930:23

Not a question but observation just I can't believe it's been nine years, Mona. But yeah, it's a long time but just kind of looking back on how far we've come and how nimble the CEO's office has been too with when you talk about what your job is, it would be a difficult job if all five of us had the same priorities and were moving in the same direction all the time which obviously It's hard to do for five different people, so it's almost an impossible task to try to navigate and get to an area that we can all agree on. And so just the amazing job you and your team do. It kind of brings us back all back into focusing on what really matters, and that is the public, so in getting to a place. But I started thinking about what the significant shifts that we've made as a board And how you've been able to navigate that with just the entire shift, our thought process on homelessness and how we deal with that.

And mental health and the commitment to sustainability all the time while you guys are juggling disaster recovery and all these other terrible things. So I know we tell you all the time but one more time, we really appreciate you and we think you're doing an amazing job in your whole team. Really, really appreciate it.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8731:57

I think it's obvious that he speaks for all of us in that one. Okay, let's go on to Paul for general county programs and fund balances.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed32:19

Chair Williams and members of the board, this presentation is for the General County Programs Department which includes support to other governments and organizations, general fund reserved and committed fund balances, and ancillary services. The purpose of general county programs is to account for county-wide types of activities that are not typically associated with a specific department's function.

These are primarily support to other agencies such as LAFCO, debt service payments and other board commitments or general administration and contracts including the conflict defense contract and KPMG reviews. General county programs also contain the key discretionary fund balance components for the general fund. Operating expenditures and debt service for this program in fiscal year 23-24 are 5.6 million dollars This includes 1.4 million in debt service payments and funding for the conflict defense KPMG reviews innovate SBC LAFCO and other operating program costs These costs are offset by approximately 4.9 million dollars in general fund contribution as well as minor operating revenues and release of some committed fund balance This chart shows the department is funded primarily by general fund contribution and a minor operating source of federal subsidy.

The large jump we see in GFC going towards operating expenditures is the conflict defense contract that was previously held in court special services and funded with general fund dollars there, that came over mid-year this current year and is now reflected in the recommended budget next year. The funding to general county programs accomplished several key objectives in the current fiscal year, including northern branch jail operations funded in accordance with the plan. 18% maintenance funding being allocated KPMG reviews for four departments completed Several trainings held to promote innovate SBC and funding related to keyboard priorities that was identified and managed through prudent policies Next fiscal year, the objectives remain very similar including northern branch jail funding, 18% maintenance funding which is increasing to $15 million.

The conflict defense contract which I mentioned has been moved back to the county from the courts. KPMG reviews for four departments which are in process or being planned. Innovate SBC training which continues with a goal of 30 employees going through the black belt training and a total of 150 going through the green belt training next year. And we will continue to manage funding board priorities, including critical capital and technology projects. No service level reductions in this department.

In summary, we'll continue to manage these countywide programs that provide assistance to all departments and ensure that the county's ongoing renew efforts and updated big picture goals are being supported and funding will be managed consistent with board initiatives and county policy. And finally, this last slide shows the general fund key discretionary fund balance accounts that are held in general county programs.

This does not encompass fund balances that are maintained within department budgets as all departments also have their own balances for specific purposes. Most of these accounts are associated with a board approved policy and are committed for specific purposes. Some of the accounts are used to receive general fund contribution and pass it through to other departments such as the 18% maintenance, the roads baseline funding, facilities maintenance baseline, hazardous tree mitigation and the jail operations account.

For the cannabis funds specifically all of the actual tax collections and allocations are accounted for through this fund. As indicated in Tuesday's overview, the estimated unadjusted balance at June 30 of this year 2023 for these key general fund balances is anticipated to be about $130 million. Adjusted balances after allocations and earmarks in the upcoming fiscal year is about 72 million, of which 44 million is related to the strategic reserve and equates to 8% of general fund operating revenue.

Some notable changes related to policy or fiscal planning as part of the preliminary budget are 3.3 million being added to the 18% maintenance plan, which increases that total to $15 million. Seven million being earmarked in advance construction reserve to provide cash flow for high cost bridge projects and other capital projects before reimbursements come back.

Three and a half million added to the strategic reserve in accordance with policy to keep that at 8% of general fund operating revenues $14 million shifted from other balances to the disaster recovery account and earmarked to assist with the 2023 storm recovery as we discussed earlier this week. $7.5 million was added to the labor cost set-asides and program stabilization to be released with future cost increases in our five year forecast, and $2.6 million added to the Northern Branch Jail operating plan with half of this coming from GFC and half of that coming from Prop 172.

That concludes my walkthrough of this department.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed37:34

Chair Williams, I have a question. Can I? Good. Mr. Clemente, speaking about disaster recovery, I know one of the huge priorities for this entire board but definitely for Supervisor Lavinino is getting the access to Guadalupe Beach restored. Is that covered there or are we going to need some additional allocations to make that happen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed37:59

Supervisor Nelson through the Chair, that would be the appropriate account to look for that funding first. The earmarks we have there are the $14 million discussed and then there are other earmarks as well for prior disasters that haven't closed out yet that we're looking for FEMA reimbursements to finish out and then we do have a policy to hold three million in their I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed38:42

We're not going to have any money in that account, because we already have earmarked needs in 23-24 and past year mark needs there. So I'm just does that your marking include that need in Guadalupe? Or do we need to further enhance that fund to make sure that's taken care of is the question that I have.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed39:07

Right supervisor Nelson there. There is no specific earmark in there for the Guadalupe specifically.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed39:18

Supervisor for the chair I think the The bottom line is we don't know. We're holding aside $14 million, and when you see a zero it's because the line before that is at $21 million. That's $14 million earmarked for the storms. And so as Public Works continues to work with FEMA, we'll be tracking that. Like Paul said, if that's the highest priority, we could fund that first. We just don't know given all the other damage. What I would suggest is as we go between now and either budget hearings or even the recommended budget, we will keep tabs with them Public Works, what is it? What does it look like and if we feel there's needs to be more added to that We can certainly do that or we could also certainly bring it back in hearings But we understand we hear that's a high priority

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8740:03

Other questions Then we'll go to public comment. Is there any requests speak from public

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role40:10

chair Williams and members of the board We have no requests to speak on the policy and executive functional group

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8740:16

And mr. Clemente let's go into cannabis revenue update

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8940:29

I just want to say one thing before we leave this. Chair, if it's okay. Strategic reserve at $44 million. That's the full 8%. Just want folks to know in 2011 it was 1.1 percent. We had nine million dollars left in the strategic reserve of an eight hundred thirty five million dollar budget so things are good.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8040:49

I love your historic perspective.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8940:51

It's good to come from the bad times you know?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed41:00

Chair Williams and members of the board. The purpose of this special issue today on cannabis revenue is, as we've noted to your board in quarterly updates and earlier in these workshops, cannabis tax revenues have been declining from peak receipts in fiscal year 2021 coming in significantly under budget in both fiscal year 21-22 and in our current projections for fiscal year 22-23.

Through this fiscal year, there have been enough cannabis fund balance and reserves in cannabis to cover the shortfalls. But with lower revenues estimated at $7.5 million in the upcoming fiscal year, there is not enough anticipated revenue and fund balance to cover all of the previously approved allocations from prior fiscal years. Anticipating a dip in revenue in preparation for last year's 22-23 budget development, your board adopted a policy in December of 21 directing that no new ongoing expenses outside of cannabis program costs should be funded from cannabis revenue.

Furthermore, staff began looking at swapping out funding for some allocations unrelated to the cannabis program that had been funded with cannabis revenue. In last year's 22-23 budget, we swapped $1.1 million of public safety expenses from cannabis tax revenue to Proposition 172 revenue. This coming year, we are recommending a swap of $1,200,000 in ongoing costs with remaining GFC and $5 million in one time allocations from cannabis revenue to other general fund sources.

If revenue estimates hold, this action will balance fiscal year 23-24 expenses but an ongoing issue will remain and further swaps will be necessary in following years if cannabis tax revenues do not recover. Today staff is requesting board approval to proceed with the recommended swaps for inclusion in the fiscal year 22-23 budget. Just a brief background, Chapter 50 regarding the licensing of cannabis operations was adopted by the board in May of 2018 and became operational in June after voters approved the general tax measure.

Payments from operators on a quarterly basis were required to begin with the first quarter of fiscal year 2018-19. We'll see actual revenues by year on the next slide but the cumulative total collected through our projected year end this year is $50.1 million Revenues have been declining since fiscal year 2021 due to oversupply in the market and the drop in wholesale prices.

This is a table that we showed you in March during our quarterly budget update with updated projections in the final 22-23 column. What we see is actual revenues escalating quickly up to $15.8 million in 2021 before dipping back down to a projected $6.7 million in current 2022 fiscal year while expenditures ramped up more slowly over the years. This led to the building of fund balance up to $15.7 million by the end of fiscal year 2021, which is now being depleted to cover the revenue shortfalls.

Current estimates are that we will end this fiscal year with about 5.1 million dollars in cannabis fund balance, which is up by about 500 thousand dollars from our quarter two estimates, which were about 4.6 million dollars at that time. On this slide, we see all ongoing expenses in fiscal year 23-24 currently funded out of cannabis revenue with $5.9 million in cannabis program costs and about $4.6 million in other costs not related to the cannabis program.

This totals to about $10.5 million in ongoing allocations funded with cannabis revenue. The non-cannabis program expenses include 18% maintenance funding that was carved out during the years of growth, library operations funding, the annual equity set aside, Mixteco translation services, three planner positions in long range planning, a capital projects manager and general services and an administrative professional in the elections division of clerk recorder assessor.

All of these items will be funded in the 23-24 budget. Nothing is being cut, but to achieve that we are recommending using the 1.2 million dollars of remaining GFC to move libraries funding and long range planning positions out of cannabis For the one-time costs funded out of cannabis revenue, we have a total of $7.9 million. Many of these are projects that have been funded but not completed yet or set asides for future uses that have yet to materialize. Either way once funding is allocated to a one time use, we earmark that funding year after year to ensure it is still available when the costs do materialize I won't walk through everything on this list But we'll point out the biggest ticket items are the parks trails and open space set-asides in North and South County And the city of Santa Maria recreational opportunity match which combined for five million dollars and are the items We are recommending swapping for other general fund reserves.

I'll get into the swaps more on the next slides but will note that all the one time and ongoing costs mentioned on both of these slides come to a total of 18.5 million dollars So this is our recommended approach to the ongoing expenses in fiscal year 23-24. We're projecting $7.5 million in ongoing tax revenue next fiscal year, and as I mentioned we have about $10.5 million in ongoing costs between both the cannabis program and other non-cannabis program costs. This is a shortfall between ongoing revenue and ongoing costs of about $3 million.

We only have about 1.2 million in available GFC left unallocated and are recommending that we use this to fund libraries and long-range planners to relieve some of the pressure on the ongoing tax revenue. This still leaves a difference of about $1.75 million, which would be balanced with some of the reserves that will carry over from the current fiscal year.

Heading into fiscal year 24-25 next year, however, we would need to do further swaps with GFC to get this $1.7 million out of cannabis as well if cannabis revenues do not recover to a sufficient level to cover all ongoing costs. And as mentioned at the start of this presentation, we did begin swapping revenue out in the 22-23 fiscal year with $1,100,000 of Prop 172.

This is our approach to the one-time expenses. As mentioned, prior year carryover is expected to be about $5.1 million, 1.7 of which will be needed to cover the remaining ongoing costs just discussed on the prior slide. This leaves about $3.4 million in fund balance to cover $7.9 million in one time allocations. That's a 4.6 million dollar shortfall. Our recommendation is to use $5 million in general fund one-time carryover to swap the parks, trails and open space set asides and the Santa Maria recreational set aside.

Moving these earmarks out of cannabis would leave a small cannabis reserve balance of about $400,000. This swap would not affect the available unallocated one time balance of 2.1 million dollars that we've been discussing with your board this week. These recommendations help balance the fiscal year 23-24 expenses and alleviate some but not all of the pressures on the ongoing tax revenue.

Importantly, it is a way to keep prior funding commitments with no cuts needed in 23-24. $1.75 million in ongoing costs will still need to be swapped in 24-25 if cannabis revenues do not recover And if revenues decline further or there's not enough GFC growth to cover ongoing allocations, cuts may be necessary in the future. The recommended $5 million swap of one-time expenses will help ensure previously funded one time programs and projects remain funded.

That concludes this presentation and we are looking for your board's direction today on our recommendations for the funding swaps laid out here.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8749:20

Questions from the board? Supervisor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed49:23

Nielsen. Thank you, Chair Williams. Just help me with the swap especially on that $5 million from the trails and the Santa Maria recreational opportunity so we're going to take is it just a transfer or is it really a swap because or do we have somewhere already in the do I already have programs that are scheduled against those expenditures?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed49:47

Supervisor Nelson through the chair. We have prior year carryover of other general fund discretionary revenues This is in the emerging issues fund balance and we will earmark five million dollars there So it's not transferring cannabis revenue or moving anything out. It's just unear marking Those amounts in the cannabis reserve and earmarking it in the emerging issues where there is five million dollars

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed50:12

So it just a matter where the money's located Not necessarily that it's being programmed at this point

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed50:16

That's correct. It is $5 million of otherwise unallocated, unprogrammed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed50:22

Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8750:29

Supervisor Hart?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8050:31

Well I just, I support how you've laid this out and I know CEO Miyasato was very prudent in how we should use the cannabis revenues and we pushed maybe a little harder into more. And Supervisor Lavinino was very cautious But some of us were pushing to use it for more ongoing expenses, and this is how you're dealing with our choice. And I think it's about as good as one could do and really appreciate that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed51:06

Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Hartman and through the chair and I do want to credit Supervisor Lavanino we've been calling this Lavanino rule in my office because just to tell the public your board made the switch to say we're only going to use cannabis for one time things going forward was it last year or the year before? Last year but these are the expenditures and things that were done prior to that that we need to take care of now.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8751:30

Supervisor Kaps.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9251:32

Yeah, I just want to also thank Supervisor Labanino. This is a very prudent way of kind of course correcting and assures the public that these things that have been attached to cannabis funding aren't going away. They're just coming from a different slice of the pie and so I'm very supportive of this change, this swap. Thanks.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8751:52

Okay, is there any public comment on this item?

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role52:00

Chair Williams and members of the board we do have one request to speak on this special issue and we are going to zoom with Joe Armendariz. Joe?

CommentJoe ArmendarzProposedself-stated52:13

Good morning, can you hear me?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role52:16

Yes we can please proceed.

CommentJoe ArmendarzProposedself-stated52:17

Thank you. Members of the Board I'm Joe Armendarz. The author of the argument against Measure T, I was arguing back in 2018 not to tax the industry to the extent that it's being taxed today. And I think that the history of the industry's performance, I think demonstrates a rather interesting A story I, you know, I'm reminded of my political hero Jack Kemp who used to love to quote Ronald Reagan. Sorry for the partisanship of my comments here but Reagan used to say if something moves the left wants to tax it. If it keeps on moving they want to regulate it and if it stops moving they wanna subsidize it.

And that mentality became I think very apropos during the early days of the internet And, you know there were advocates on the right for lack of a better description who were suggesting that we ought not including Democrats by the way Senator Ron Wyden from Oregon was of the view that we ought not tax the internet. We shouldn't strangle the baby while it's in the carrot, you know the bassinet And to give this, this new revolutionary technology an opportunity to get a strong footing.

I would suggest to you that my comments back in 19 and 20 as it related to cannabis was, I think frankly correct which was size the tax so that all it does is generate enough for you to regulate the industry and to maintain enforcement. I think that was important because you have a very unique situation where this industry is competing with an illegal industry. And that continues to be true today, indeed it might even be worse.

So I would propose that you do completely the opposite of what's being discussed here today and that would be, brace yourself, this will be a surprising recommendation from me, and that is to impose a cannabis tax holiday Frankly, I think to help the industry recover. To help the industry compete against the illegal market you have to do something with the cost of operating and I think the tax scheme that we have is the obvious issue here. So I would encourage you to do that maybe even create incentives for companies that don't have to pay the tax for the next year to reinvest some of that in older mitigation strategies. I think you could be creative about it I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that out. Thank you

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role54:58

And that concludes public comment on this special issue

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8755:03

Any discussion then we'll go to revenue tax measures

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed55:10

Thank You chair Williams and board members before we Get into the presentation. I just want to say a few words and show a couple of slides were added this morning or last night And that is just to remind our Public and your board your board has been very judicious about asking the voters for to increase taxes Could you not put that up yet? So, I just want to remind everyone about that. We talked about the cannabis tax revenue measure and we raised TOT since I've been here to make it equal to the other jurisdictions. But before we talk about potential tax measures, I also want to provide a bit of context about the county's discretionary revenue and to make the connections.

As you know, a quarter of our operating budget is based on discretionary revenue. And your board has ultimate flexibility on how it's used and for what purpose. The other portions of our budget, 75% are from state and federal resources or charges for services. And your board has oversight about how that funding is used rather but not so much on what it's used for. And as you've heard this week there are a lot of needs expressed by our departments And your board and the public for ongoing program expansions. For very important projects and initiatives, for which we would need more discretionary funding.

Okay if you could show that please? So I just want to give an example about in the last 10 years, the county has made important commitments for allocating this discretionary revenue. And in this time, I just want to be clear, the county has expanded staff and programs in all areas Really of the county and almost all departments after the Great Recession. Maybe not back to the levels prior in all cases as a sheriff will remind us, but we have made investments at all departments.

But here was a specific dedication of revenue per board policy or actions and that was for the Northern Branch Jail we talked about and this was necessary after two failed sales tax measures. The County obtained a state grant to pay for the construction but the ongoing operations of adding a second jail I'd like to welcome you all to The district share of property tax increased from 12% on the tax bill to 17%. That started in 2012 and so next year that's an additional $20 million. There's also been a dedication of ongoing deferred maintenance money as the board had talked about on Wednesday, as a way to help prevent or help defer or reduce sorry growing deferred maintenance. And as we understand we're falling short of reducing the backlog But this policy was started to help us build that fund.

And as you heard Mr. Clemente just say, that's an additional $15 million. And of course there has also been our employee costs, salaries, pension related costs. What we show here is just the increase from last year, but over the last 10 years it's probably closer to $50 or $60 million. I have this on the slide just to remind ourselves that that is a big cost as well of our discretionary revenue, but it's difficult to estimate what specific additional amount has been due to just negotiated increases. There are other costs in her like insurance pension and other things that are beyond The Board of the County's control for which you have no discretion. And it's to remind ourselves that these decisions on labor costs are not made by the county unilaterally, they must be negotiated by law with our employees.

There is not complete discretion but I wanted to acknowledge that. So in total if you just look at next year's budget there's over $66 million, next slide, to these discretionary uses that we've made commitments to and to put this in context this is the total amount combined, next slide, This is a total amount combined of general fund that we provide to Public Health, Behavioral Wellness, Social Services, the Ag Commissioner, P&D, Public Works, CST and the Treasurer Tax Collector combined.

Other comparisons as we have inpatient costs are 23.4 homeless operations and co-response. So I'm just showing the context in the scale of it. Next slide. But I also want to emphasize that these were significant choices made at the time that I believe were all needed We needed to do something to address the jail overcrowding in the South County Jail. We needed to improve our fire safety, we needed to start a deferred maintenance funding policy. We need to ensure our employees are treated well through negotiated contracts but it's putting in context when I have department heads especially new department heads or others come to say why don't we have more discretionary revenue coming to the county? I've said because we've made funding commitments that have taken up 17% of our total discretionary revenue.

Next slide. This next slide provides a geographic view of our land uses and provide some further insight as to our discretionary revenue story. As you know, the largest source of our discretionary revenues property taxes which we do not largely control but we enjoy the growth of those property taxes to fund ongoing programs, and expansion of programs. We also rely on our TOT or hotel tax and sales tax, and most recently the cannabis tax revenue that we talked about. Property tax, sales tax, and TOT have covered core services and board priorities as well as cannabis tax. And when you look at the county in this map, you see that over 95% of our land use is for agricultural use which is the green open space or land that's owned by the federal or state government.

And so it's hard to see on this chart, but the dark blue is owned by the state and the yellow is owned by the federal government. So there's very little urbanized area by comparison and the orange area shows what is the urbanized unincorporated area which is only 1.5% and the city's urban areas which is 2%, which is in the purple. And this urbanized area is where we have most of our housing and commercial activity from which sales tax or hotel taxes can be generated. That's why maximizing these uses within our urbanized areas has been so important, and part of what we try to do as a county.

The second map shows a little bit more detail. These red areas, the circles show where are areas that are zoned commercial and the unincorporated area. So it's hard to see on this map but there's two kinds of gray. Some of the gray represent cities and some represents the county but those small little red dots look like little splashes and they're hard to see within these circles or the land that we have zone for commercial areas. And while the cities also have small urbanized areas their areas of responsibility are much smaller As you know, the county is responsible not just for what happens in our unincorporated areas but also countywide programs such as the jail and criminal justice system. County urban and rural roads, mental health public health social services all the safety net services are largely covered by state and federal resources but county discretionary revenue is still required for matching funds or sometimes to keep For program stability, your board has consistently made efforts to ensure we are maximizing our revenue.

And you've heard I heard last year in this year about requesting more auditing of our TOT and our cannabis revenue for example and you're always looking to ways that we can ensure that we are being effective and efficient how we spend That's why you hear departments talk about how are they meeting their big picture goals, which is how are they doing cost avoidance, budgeted savings or time savings. And you've heard all the departments talk about the KPMG reports and we commissioned KPMG to do performance reviews of all our departments to ensure they're working effectively and efficiently as possible.

But this map shows our limited ability to generate sales in TOT given the land uses we have. To expand programs, we can always cut or reduce other non-mandated programs. But my point in showing these today as a precursor of this next discussion is to demonstrate our constraints that we face in generating more discretionary revenue for expansions without increasing or changing our taxes. And with that I'm going to hand it off to Nancy Anderson.

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PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:03:08

Chair Williams and members of the board, this special issue was intended to cover specifically three separate revenue measures and information related to those. The first is sales tax. The second will be flood control assessment that'll be presented by Walter Rubicava of Public Works and cannabis tax will be covered by Brittany Oderman of our office. We were also asked to look at document transfer and vacancy taxes. Currently, because we are a general law county these are not an option under our current law.

However there have been some charter cities that have made efforts here and used that funding for homeless and housing type services so we'll continue to look at options around document transfer and vacancy taxes or other options At the end of the presentations, we are looking to receive board directions on next steps in evaluating any of these revenue tax measures including polling where appropriate. So we'll be taking that direction from you at the end of each presentation.

So starting with sales tax, your board heard back in February of 2019 some of the similar information but some of the numbers have changed. So currently the county anticipates about 15 million dollars in sales tax revenue to be generated for 23-24. Back in 2019 when this was presented to your board I think it was around 8 million or so that was estimated for the 1%.

Now that has grown to about 3.77 for every quarter cent of increase, first for our sales tax currently we're at 7.75%. That includes a 6% state share, 0.25 road transportation share and the Measure A .5% share and then the local share of 1% which equates to $15 million. So how that's broken down is by quarter. So .25, that 3.77 million, that would take our county taxes to 18.85 million for another quarter at 50% would be a 0.5%, sorry is 7.54 million so a total of 22.62 million for three quarters of a percent it would be a total of 11.3 million and for a total of 26.39 million At full 1% we're doubling our 15 million. So we're around 30 million So Kalita

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:05:49

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:05:49

sales

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:05:51

I Just had a question. We were at the South Coast Chamber and Carpinteria was talking about a use tax How do you tax Amazon for example, um And so does this include that or not? Could you address that? Um

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:06:06

So, and there's going to be a later slide that we've actually added that actually will break down every city. So that's included. We didn't really go into every measure because those might be different. Some went to special tax and are very specific and have oversight committees. Some are more general. Some went to just use tax and some are typical sales and use tax. So we'll show you that slide Supervisor Hartman in just a moment.

So just the most recent sales tax increases, Galena and Solving have been the most recent November of 2022. So those are starting to take effect. Lompoc was back in 2020 and Guadalupe the same back in 2020. So here's how all of the cities in the county are presently rated. So for Santa Barbara it's 7.75, and then Bealton is also at 7. 75. Carpinteria 9%, and Supervisor Hartman had just mentioned that I think their focus was use tax.

Goleta moved to 8.75% recently, Guadalupe 8. 75, and so on. So what we did was we added this slide recently, just to kind of give a setting context the collections and we just annualize those. Obviously Galena and Solving are just getting collections so we just estimated amounts for those. And we rank these, so Guadalupe is a very small community. It does have an approved measure increase and so they get 1.2 million and that ranges all the way up to the larger cities Santa Barbara and Santa Maria around 55 million or so. So currently Santa Barbara County sitting about in the middle with no measure at about 15. That would take us to 30 million should we do one percent as an example.

So sales tax options, there's two of those. You can either go general tax and these are a simple majority vote from the qualified voters or special tax and those require 2 3rds of the voter's approval but they're more specific and typically we see oversight committees at some level when those are imposed But potential uses are public safety, that tends to be a big interest to the city's mental health and public health facilities and programs, libraries and infrastructure improvements within their respective jurisdictions.

So the vote requirements for tax measures, both for general tax and for special tax would require two-thirds of the vote of the Board of Supervisors which equates to four-fifths of your board would need to approve that. And again on a general tax it's a majority vote of the qualified voters and then special tax would be two-thirds vote of the qualified voters. And that if we do other tax, we're focusing on sales tax. But if the county were to do a general tax related to non-sales tax measure, it's four fifths of the vote of superiors and majority vote of the voters.

So if your board was interested to direct us to provide more information for this, and in particular any polling direction. The timelines we actually have two options within 2024 and that is the March primary or the November general election. The March primary timelines have already been posted with elections. We know that we would need to dock it For the November 7th election and that's October 26 to request a resolution to request consolidation for this for a ballot measure so we would need to begin any type of polling and Development of tax proposal language and those are within by June if this was going to be considered And so we go through a process for pulling and then we refine any of the draft ordinance language, and then we take it to the board.

So that we can get it on the consolidated process if we wait till November 2024. They don't have timelines with that but just backing up in the typical dates that are Aligned that would need to go to the board by June to request consolidation And really start in early 2024 any type of language process and pulling So that sets the timeline with that happy to answer you answer any questions. You may have In take direction from your board including any pooling recommendations

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:11:25

Thank you Mr. Chair. So Nancy, if you're talking about a special tax so you're saying it would need two-thirds it could be put on by a simple majority of the Board of Supervisors but then it would take two thirds of the electorate to pass it correct?

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:11:42

So. For

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:11:43

a special issue?

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:11:44

For a special tax related to sales tax. Okay. Requires a four-fifths vote of your board. Oh, it has to be four-fifths of the board. And two-thirds vote of qualified voters. Correct.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:11:57

Okay yeah so then question on that too is in so then you would have to track or somebody would have to track that extra one percent because the rest of sales tax could go anywhere correct So how about that? I mean, so whatever is collected up and above seven and three quarters if we put it on the ballot. That then would have to be tracked because that money could only be spent on that special issue.

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:12:24

Correct, and so typically what we would see is a specific line item where that revenue is Deposited in and identified. So we see that very clearly in the cities And again, typically we would see and I don't know that it's necessarily required But there's usually some type of oversight committee or a committee that determines you know how certain things are going to be spent But for that, you would indicate in your ballot language exactly what you're intending to have that go towards.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:13:01

Supervisor Katz? Before we do that though, most of these cities that have passed increases have been general taxes but they've sort of made up a public pronouncement of what they would spend it on.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:13:18

And we did that with our cannabis tax.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:13:22

Supervisor Caput.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.921:13:23

Yeah, following along that line of questioning just for clarification can you please go back to the slide where it lists what other cities have where they are in sales tax? Thank you yeah and I also was struck at the South County Chamber event just you know what good uses their sales tax is going for I just if you could explain to me how this works with unincorporated businesses so that it's not on top The increase that cities have already done. But can you just parse that out for me and the public?

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:13:57

Sure, so how sales tax work works is that our respective jurisdictions receive it based on the retail sales within our respective areas. And that's why you'll see a significant amount within the cities focused on sales tax because they are very heavy in promoting economic development for these purposes. So because and Mona kind of alluded to this is that in typically an unincorporated areas, counties don't typically have as much.

Obviously that ranges throughout the state but as much business activity as cities do so the collections that we get are from retail sales or online type activity that's happening within the unincorporated areas of the county

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:14:53

Supervisors to the chair maybe you go back to slide 7. So I think what people don't realize with the public so for every This is how sales tax of the seven and three quarter we have. The state takes 6% of it, and then there's roads a quarter percent of it that's through the state, and then measure A which is our local, it's half. And so the local share which is the county, the Bradley Burns amount, the county receives as 1%. So this is similar for the cities. So for the cities who have 8.75%, the sales taxes generated in their cities, their local shares now 2%.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:15:31

So I think the important part of that is it's not a one-tenth more or one eighth more. It's double, right? For our local government.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:15:45

The revenue collection at the tax. Yeah.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:15:49

Yeah for let's say well you know maybe as a sales pitch it's a 1 8th increase but it's a doubling of what you get At a local level. Mr. Nelson,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:16:03

yes thank you I guess I got a question kind of confused about this and what we're looking to those revenue would go so when the city's collective sales tax they spend that in the city right? They don't spend it in an incorporated area?

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:16:18

Correct they they would include it in their budgets. Yes.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:16:26

Yeah, so this is where I have a lot. I mean, I'm not a big tax guy to begin with. Everybody will know that and my constituency has heartburn about additional taxes and I'll do my little soapbox here for a moment. The reason why we have very little commercial space in the incorporated area is because past boards decided not to have commercial in unincorporated areas.

There's been a philosophy for a long time in this county that we're not going to fiscalize our land use. That's a term that I've heard for a long time, and that's part of the reason why we don't have the same tax revenue for under corporate area as other counties in the state and That's a fact. You know, there's two ways to increase these revenue sources. There is grow the pie or continue to double up on your taxes of the pie and so that's where we not only can make a decision here today on the sales tax in the future But we can also be smarter about streamlining our planning development process to allow things to get built. The same thing with housing, it's the same problem that we've had for the last 30 years in this county is that we have this very bureaucratic process, very cumbersome process and it's impossible to do things and then you get to this place We're wondering why we don't have the revenue, and we have to have both those pieces to get there.

And so that's a challenge I think that we are all going to have to wrestle with over the coming years is trying to find ways to embrace that and getting back to the unincorporated areas because I've always been a big unincorporated area guy. I represent six different unincoporated communities in my district, and so it's a really important piece You know counties created in corporate areas, right?

And we I believe we owe them an obligation like city services. It's an urbanized area and it should be treated as an urbanized area. I mean that's people expect this a basic level of service is there. And I know we're doing a good job as a board prioritizing those now. We haven't for a long long time still playing catch-up in a lot of ways. I believe to provide no services and that's something I'm going to continue advocate on this board It's going to be a hard sell to unincorporated residents to ask for additional money and then spread that out throughout the rest of the county, especially when a lot of them don't feel that they're currently getting the services that they maybe deserve as being in an urban area. And that's a challenge because we don't do urban services.

We don't have a parks and rec department. We don't have all the extra things that cities have but we want to take those revenues And then spend it on other things like, you know mental health beds are things that are important. I don't not saying that these things aren't important but you kind of look at the source of revenue and going back to who's providing it and you know, you know taxes.

We need to be a lot more creative on trying to create additional revenue opportunities through development, whether it's industrial development or more commercial development. Orchid, a community of 35,000 people has 12 hotel beds. It's crazy. They have only two grocery stores, half as many grocery stores as when I was growing up and that's part because of our land use.

You know we're down to I think four gas stations for again 35,00 people. You know, Buelton's got that in one block. So we've got challenges that we have partly created for ourselves and I just want to make sure that as we continue on this conversation that we're thinking about that. Also is if we hope to sell this to the unincorporated residents because if I understand correctly this will be a vote of just people who live in the unincorporated areas right? You're going to have to make a pitch to them on how their lives are going to be better if this tax goes up. And I think that's a really important thing to think about as we move forward in this discussion. I know we want to solve the big problems in our county with additional revenue, but all politics are local and there's gonna be needs and arguments that need to be made to that level that I think are gonna be important moving forward.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:20:45

Can we just ask that question of County Council so we actually are talking about, all talking about the same thing. Does the electorate, is it all county residents or just folks in the unincorporated? Or is that the discretion of what we put on the ballot? Is that our discretion?

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated1:21:06

Mr. Chair and members of the board, so there's a slide that addresses that in the presentation but if it's a tax for the unincorporated then it's only the unincorporated residents that vote for them.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:21:20

And I'll just say that I don't, I agree number one with the need for jobs in there. Of course I would like them to be higher paid jobs than gas station and other things but I think this is why we poll is to see whether it should be countywide or unincorporated right? Electorate is different and we should look at the data, right? What do the people want? And you know I would say that there's a You know a argument for it though. It would be hard to deal with it being I mean one of the biggest needs is public safety And it's hard to make a dividing line with some of that stuff. But I suppose if there was an emphasis on the unincorporated areas, that would make sense given that they... There's a good argument to say that they're not getting their fair share.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:22:29

Let me... The reason why I mentioned gas stations just for a moment, Chair. A gas station creates about $250,000 in sales tax and I'm talking about the local piece of that 1% per year. So these are big numbers. So when we go and shut down a gas station, everybody celebrates. That's great and all but now we have less quarter less million dollars of discretionary revenue. I have a project in my district right now that trying to get through planning.

It's industrial pipe. That project alone the 1% is going to be $325,000. of general fund discretionary revenue, just that one project. And if we double this it would be almost $650,000, right? Just that one project. But they're looking at planning There's urban growth boundary lines, there's all kinds of other planning rules that are preventing them to move forward. I think they're already six years in the process and they haven't you know and they're not even through the Planning Commission yet. And so this is what I'm talking about we really need to get back to our you know and drill in to how development happens in our county Because that, you know, if we can have five more of those just along the 101 because it's a good place so that reduces vehicle miles traveled.

You know and all of a sudden you have a lot more money and we can get to that $15 million without having to raise taxes. Now the voters want to raise taxes, that's up to them but I think there are also things we could be doing on this board It doesn't have to make it up to the voters. I think there's things we can be doing to increase and advocate for businesses because there is the jobs, yes that's important absolutely but it's also the revenue that comes with these jobs um that are really important to delivering the services that we need to in the county as well as increased value of those parcels right so you know this I've got a parcel that's sitting Probably worth about half a million dollars right now. We're probably receiving, you know $5,000 a year in and property tax which our portion is only about About a thousand dollars, you know They're gonna go into develop that property and now it's gonna be a ten million dollar value property And now we're gonna be getting one hundred thousand dollars the property taxes Which are portion will be about thirty five thousand So I mean there's things we can be doing and we should be thinking about it's not just asking for more from existing Businesses it's also Growing the pie if you will

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:24:47

I would just take the liberty of saying it's only up to the public whether or not to raise the sales tax if we have the courage to place it on the ballot. Otherwise, we don't give them a choice.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:25:02

Mr. Labadine? Well my retort to that would be we don' go to the public on every issue if that's the case. For example like we're talking about the states talked about a natural gas ban We don't go out and ask people if they think that's a good idea. We just ban it, and the people are all up in arms, and we're like, well, we know better. So it's not us I'm saying but...

We've all done a lot of polling in our lives too. I can get a poll to come back and tell you whatever you wanted to say. That's unfortunately the way it works is who you call, who you talk to. And if you do do polling, Only poll the unincorporated community and you know, because otherwise we're just chasing a ghost so.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:25:58

Just ask a question on that. We could do it countywide but still it's still just affects the unincorporated areas right? If the electorate is countywide it still just affects the unincorporated areas

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated1:26:17

Mister chair members of the board. You can do a countywide tax and then all the voters vote for it. I thought it applied countywide Dependent

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:26:31

on how you write the

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated1:26:33

tax, so we'll check on that. I mean there is a statute that talks about weekend The board can pass attacks and it can transaction and use tax throughout the entire County or Within the unincorporated area of the county and then depending which way you go depends on who the voters are got

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:26:49

it

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated1:26:51

And I just confirmed it is levied on the entire county so if you did one For the whole county, it would be voters in the whole county. It wouldn't be levy down the entire

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:26:59

County Then maybe maybe you're right there Steve I Know that's a harder sale to sell do the whole entire county because some of these cities already Have eight point seven five and try to tell them they look at nine point nine and a half You know people's heads will explode I get that, but a lot of things that we do in the county are countywide. And so I just gonna keep bringing back to you that if we do go down this route there really should be a nexus on the increased revenue back to those who are generating that revenue.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:27:34

Thank you for your patience, Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:27:36

Well I keep turning my light on and off and I guess I have a question for Supervisor Nelson and that is if it were a general tax but there were some caveats that funding would go for unincorporated areas having represented some of those myself I understand the needs although I do think counties were the first government and then cities form because they want higher level service and more activity. So, I do think counties aren't exactly like cities but I do believe along with you that it is important Especially in this case to try to articulate a higher level of service for this funding. And I wonder if that would persuade you or if there's something there that might, you could elaborate for us?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:28:36

Yeah, I'm going to have a hard time getting there no matter what. I'm actually just giving you some advice on I know with my voters if you hope to get ORCID voters to be get on board on this, you're going to need to make that nexus. Same thing for Isla Vista voters, Montecito voters, the voters are going to need to vote on this tax. We're going to need to make that case to them. And so I'm just kind of giving right now some political advice there, or I think that would be prudent. I'm not sure if I can, I can get there. You may not need my vote to get there. Um, so I will continue to have the conversation. I always want to have these smart intelligent conversations about these issues and I am with you. It's people living in corporate areas for a reason and they don't want to have same level of intensity and urbanization that exists in cities totally get that.

But the next or the, uh, The difference between the amount of services that people live in cities and what we have in the county, it's a big drop off. And I do think that we owe our unincorporated areas a little bit more than what we have traditionally done in this county. And that's again one reason why I advocate for it. I've always been a voice on this board to do that, continue to be in that space moving forward no matter what we do here on this. So like I said, I can be agnostic on this. I can try to make it better so there's a better policy overall moving forward, but I would really think that if we do go down this route we're going to need to find that and it can't be supplanting money that we're already giving you under corporate areas.

That's the other portion of this that I would also be concerned about. Supervisor Hartman.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:30:30

Well, I mean I just look at that chart and other than Buellton were you know so it in a sense. I mean if it really mattered that much people would be flocking to businesses in the unincorporated area to pay that penny less but I don't think that's really the case. Prominent in people's minds and to create a level of playing field. I think makes make some sense. I just You know, I'm struggling we've had people talking to us about Battered and abused women and going up in North County veterans exposed to burn pits and Agent Orange that need more services People who are wrongfully incarcerated because of the color of their skin that need to look back at those cases Warming shelters for people who are homeless, beds for mental health.

The arts which have been a significant contributor to elevating the public and focusing on underrepresented cultural groups in celebrating their achievements. For me, the Los Olivos bathrooms and neighbors to your point who have people using their lawns as bathrooms. And then all the climate needs that we have to prepare us better for the future so we have increasing needs in our county and people coming to us It seems like we have increasingly a number of vulnerable people who need these safety net services and we're doing our best to, and I didn't even get to the opioid crisis. So the needs on us are getting greater and it seems to me somehow We need a full court press to think where it makes sense to try to develop more jobs. A lot of commercial spaces that exist in the county are really underused and especially as people do more Amazon, these little strip malls So we don't want more of that.

We need to think what we do want, and I'm willing to think about those things but we kind of need to make some choices now as well given these huge pressing needs

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:04

Supervisors the chair to so I don't want to make you well, we can have more discussions on this Well, and so this is a great discussion and it sounds like there's more that has to be fleshed out We're only at the beginning and it's really giving us direction to proceed to do more research and come back. We still have some time

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:33:21

Supervisor caps

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:33:24

One quick thing about polling, you can make a poll say anything you want. You can also work really hard to make it objective and I think in this case that would behoove us because we don't want to fool ourselves.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.921:33:40

Supervisor Nelson, I think you've made some excellent points. I want to just Highlight the point you made about growing the pie and I started off this my first budget hearings talking about this economic comprehensive development strategy that we're about to hear more about I'm very interested in what we can be doing more of in that area and I don't know if there's a mechanism to sort of tie the two together but at least That's my commitment is To be supportive of serving the needs of more people, but not saying oh we can do it by just magical thinking. We have to also be growing the pie and leaning in on economic development strategies for our entire region.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:34:22

So if we can try to focus more on the question of whether staff should be directed to do polling research, I think that's what Mona is asking for.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:34:37

And Supervisors, if you have an idea now and you don't have to we can come back to the Board of which election should the Board eventually go to there. Again there's a lot of steps in between but should we be shooting for a March primary or the November general because as you see Ms. Anderson has on their October would be our deadline to get everything together versus we almost have a year if we go November?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:35:05

Well I'll say from For my part, I definitely think that we should be taking a pulse of the body politic and see if they're interested for a general tax. You know for some of the things that we have identified as needs. And I think that makes sense to ask them and look at that before making a decision. If we wanted a tax, it would be a no-brainer as to when. It would be the general 2024.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:35:44

Mr. Labadino? Thank you, Mr. Chair and Supervisor Hartman brings up an excellent point I mean there are the thing that sticks with you when you leave the dais is the crushing amount of need that is out there right and Well, I mean, I'm always chasing revenue. But just to let people know $15 million is not going to fix all those problems. Right? I understand you're saying it's the process for me.

It's hard to go back to the public and ask for more because there this is a never ending. I mean, this is an unfillable pit of need right? It's like we can't somebody once said we can do anything. We can't do everything right And I like that quote, five years in a row we've had no service level reductions. Our strategic reserve is at its peak. forward trying to fix years three and four of looking out and seeing what our shortfalls are which I've never really seen us do before. So, I think we're being very fiscally prudent with what we have and I think we're doing the best that we can with what we have but if we really wanted to try to tackle everything...I mean I just can't even imagine what our tax rate would be at that point is you know?

I'd be more interested in and I know we just did it But I'd actually be more interested in TOT, look at TOT than sales tax because to me that goes after visitors coming here. I don't know what it would generate either but I think adding on to the sales tax, I just don't think it's viable to start with because by the time you get into ORCiT with 35,000 voters that are already feeling like they're not getting their fair share and maybe the polling will show us something different.

I just think it's a really tough lift I see where we go with this, but.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:37:58

Does staff have any comment on the TOT question and whether there's a statutory limitation? And or what the 1% figure is for TOT it's probably about.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:38:11

It's not as much so

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:38:13

we can. I mean because I seen I remember total TOT is about 11,000. Or 11 million a year.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed1:38:24

It's close to 17 million at this point, but I think it Yeah, we're at 12% and I think it all comes in To the county so a 1% increase there wouldn't net the same

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:38:38

And just for your board's information, so I can't remember what year we did go with the TOT increase where we went I think a half percent above all the other cities and that did not pass. So then the next round we went at the same level of the other cities and it did pass. So right now I think we're about level with the other cities.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:38:55

So you know I mean my I'm willing to look at that if you're also willing to look at the polling alright? I mean you know... I think

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:39:03

you have three votes for the polling or direction at least yeah

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:39:07

All right, well that you know since we're making maybe statements of purpose I just think that there are some things in this county and the Sheriff's Department is one of them our basic public safety things that need a fundamental change. Otherwise, they will be sort of the fiscal cliff this county falls off of. And they require an investment and sales tax is probably the only thing that has a scale where it can do... I mean, I could solve libraries with the TOT increase But I don't think I can solve public safety.

Well, I don't know. That's of the scale where there is something fundamental that could be solved. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:40:09

Well, only to state the obvious but we had high hopes for the cannabis tax as a way of growing the pie and that's a big question mark right now. And so I think we're trying to find an alternative We can keep not having service level reductions and we can keep moving forward. I really, I've said it before but Supervisor Lavinino's historic context makes me appreciate our CEO and all the prudent planning that we've done and I think it's incumbent on us to continue to try to do that Yes, we're trying to create better jobs in North County. We're trying to figure out how we build housing in a way that can go to workers and not just have housing prices keep going up which seems to be a source for a lot of these issues that we're seeing but those are longer term and I think we're in a shorter-term crunch so that's my perspective

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:41:24

Okay, let's go to public comment.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:41:27

Supervisors we still have two more tax measures as part of this presentation so if you could hold on one moment.

PresenterNancy AndersonProposed · by introduction1:41:37

Chair Williams will turn this over is we're going to be covering the flood control assessment and hand it over to Public Works.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:41:48

Good morning, Chair Williams, members of the board. Almost good afternoon but I'll be discussing a potential flood control assessment in the Montecito area and the reason I'm talking about, I want to emphasize the word potential is we're very early on in this process and we need to determine the feasibility of it still. The next slide Discusses our current structure that we have in place right now as you guys are aware We both we have as a board is aware. We have ten zones in the county The benefit assessment rates are based upon Proportionate amount of stormwater runoff it looks at land use and it looks at parcel sizes The flood control district collects those funds and we use it for operation, maintenance. And we also use those funds to supplement any state and federal grants to do capital improvement projects.

And then as you're aware, we return to the board on an annual basis and we ask for an increase based on the consumer price index. This next slide, it's a little hard to read but the group C as reminded this is our current fiscal year rates for 22-23. Group C is the basis of all of our rates. As I mentioned there's 10 zones there and then all the other groups are either increased or decreased again based on land use and parcel size And for your information, the Montecito area is currently in the South Coast zone. You can see for a residential unit it's 28.86.

So an increase of rates has been looked at in the past. The latest was in August of 2019, where an assessment was looked at based on a survey or a poll and it would look for the entire South County. Again this is looking at just Montecito but that 2019 measure was the Santa Barbara County Flood Control and Water Conservation District Natural Disaster Preparedness and Response and Public Health Protection Measure It's a long one.

If it would have been passed, it would have had an annual levy of $50 per year for residential parcel and it would have raised approximately 6.6 million dollars annually. Chair Williams, quick

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:44:19

question that was countywide?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:44:21

That was just for the South County. And polling was done for that as well, and it shows at the initial polling. Was about it showed had about 60% support and then after an educational outreach And I looked into what that educational outreach was it It would add additional questions to the polling if you're aware that it included 267 miles of channels, and it included basins so he provided more information with the polling It raised 1% which is in the error of margin of error So the results of that it didn't meet the two-thirds threshold. So at that point It was put on its we stopped efforts on that So this next slide shows Kind of where we're at in a process right now and working with the Montecito community and on the last bullet I'll explain why would we proceed with these efforts knowing that in 2019?

We looked at the South County and we didn't have the support But as far as our current effort, the Flood Control District is working with Atkins on a Montecito flood mitigation master plan. We're currently in phase one and phase one should be done around March of 2024. Phase one will just set the baseline or look at the existing conditions and then phase two will be more the meat of the master plan where we'll determine or identify the projects and their costs And then the master plan will also help guide the planning, design, construction improvements and to mitigate flood impacts. And it could also serve as the basis if we determine this assessment was feasible it could serve as a basis since project costs would be included in that report.

So this last bullet just kind of Highlights why we're here today. Why would we just focus on the Montecito area? After the January event, a high percentage of all the calls that have come in have come from the Montecito area probably 80% or higher And we've had a lot of individuals contact us and neighborhood groups, primarily in the San Ysidro Creek Corridor area. And they've expressed interest in an increase either benefit assessment or an increased tax or some form of increased cost.

And we committed to look into the feasibility of doing that. And that's why we're here today is to just follow through on that commitment. So with that if there are any questions, I'd be happy to answer them

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:47:16

Questions from the board. I mean, I just want us Obviously I won't be any surprised that I asked this to be on it But because there is a clear need in Montecito and people want to see a lot more flood control safety projects, they don't know how to finance them sustainably. So obviously we're exploring grants as we always do but this would give us a sustained effort But I also know that there's flood control needs in other accounts and so, you know.

I have resisted the department coming to the conclusion that no other areas should be polled. Meaning, I think if there is an area that should be polled we should tell them now because asking the question costs us a few more thousand dollars from the poll Not asking the question and not building the infrastructure could cost a lot more to the public. So I just want to put it out there that if there is a request for polling in the larger account, that we should talk about it.

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:48:50

Well it raises the question for me, you know each watershed area is quite different and needs different kinds of treatments to protect people from flooding. And so I think how we explain what people get, a lot of the calls that my office has received People on private land, they've had a lot of flooding. It may come from a lot of down timber and things up in the forest lands or people just dumping stuff in the creeks and so it's on their private property but it's come from these other sources I'm not sure that they would you know I think they would pay to not have this problem but I'm not sure that we in our actions would address this problem. So, I think that needs to be really clear.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:49:45

Supervisor Nielsen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:49:46

Yeah, I have the same question as well. We've experienced a considerable amount of flooding in the Santa Ynez and Santa Maria rivers that have really impacted Lompoc Valley and the Santa Maria Valley. And so there's needs elsewhere but we do have this pressure where often it's on private property and the public Thinks that the county should be doing that. And the county thinks that the private property should be doing that and you know, that's where there's a struggle.

If we did something that was countywide would we be able to build in a program where we were? We participated a little bit more on clearing these waterways assessing that because I think that could get some really wide support in the North County. You know, I'm not always against additional taxes and assessments. This is one of them that I've actually really am supportive of because it really money goes back into infrastructure and into maintenance and it's close to where the taxpayer like there's a direct impact right? It's a real pay for service.

And so I guess my first question to Mr. Rubicava is is there any opportunities to do at additional flood control work and maintenance in other parts of the county that if they assessment went up that we would be able That's my first question. The second question is for staff, or for department staff. Is this a two-thirds vote? What kind of vote is this to get this on the ballot that would help me too because I don't think we had defined that so Walter

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:51:18

I'll answer their first question first Supervisor Nelson through the chair The question you're bringing up or the point you're bringing up is brought up almost daily and The priorities that we currently have right now is we use the funds on infrastructure that we own and operate, and we have a legal responsibility for. And then there's some other areas of Creeks and not countywide and it's not consistent that we actually own easements and we have responsibilities or we've built structures in the past where we're responsible to maintain those. That's our second priority.

And then county, Santa Barbara County Flood Control District which is very rare for the state of California actually in the past when opportunities exist and there's a resources from a financial standpoint and a resource standpoint. We have joint efforts with private property owners and communities to clear even in private property areas if we feel that would benefit from our regional standpoint.

We cannot go in and just clear property or fix erosion if it's just for the benefit of one sole property, because then it's the use of public funds for private property. So it's a challenging question to answer but I think there is a process. If more funds were available and easements were dedicated by property owners that gave us the right to enter But not necessarily the obligation, it would help in those efforts to clear some of these areas that get impacted by debris.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:52:59

That's very helpful and then again on the tax, Ms. Anderson what type of tax does it take or maybe is this county council to do an assessment? Is it a two-thirds of the board and two-thirds of the voters

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated1:53:18

Supervisor Nelson it depends on if it's a special tax or if it's an assessment so a special tax is a two-thirds vote and Then I'm just looking at a benefit assessment now. It looks like it's a majority vote

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.801:53:36

Could you go back, I mean you You had 60% in that it was you needed the two-thirds in your polling right for the South Coast in general

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.841:53:49

Yeah, so this information was pulled from the August 9th 2019 report. So again I defer to council or we should look into it what the details are.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:54:01

Supervisors at the time I recall working with Mr. Farram on this and they were looking at two different ways and it's a parcel assessment as the County Council said is I think his majority and then they also looked at if there was a tax and the reason they were looking at that was because they weren't sure which they could do The pollster company that we hired said that it would be too difficult to tell on an assessment by property owner and parcel to pull the property owners. And so they couldn't do it on the assessment, so they did it on a general tax looking with them to get a proxy of the support.

Supervisor Capps,

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.921:54:42

I just wanted to add because you're talking about the polling. I remember being a citizen being pulled on this and And and cuz I'm the kind of person Who participates in these kind of like I pulled over and started taking notes specifically and I was confused No disrespect to the consulting firm, but I think that the lingo that we use with this Field and I imagine people are much more educated now after 12 atmospheric rivers, but I would just say if we go forward to be really mindful that our jargon is hard to understand. So I remember being supportive of it. I'll be part of the 60%, but I just think that could have been a factor because I do remember distinctly being kind of confused about the question

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:55:28

I think we have exhibit one, the fact that you and I stop whatever we're doing to answer a poll is part of why there is a little bit more inaccuracy in polls these days. Okay. So I'm hearing from two of us that we want maybe more areas added to the polling but I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.891:55:58

think this gets back to if we could get work accomplished that people want to see accomplished, yeah. I would support it. I think when we talk to landowners all along the Santa Maria River they're like look man and they just want the work done you know honestly they don't really even they're interested in helping Finance some of it, they just need it done because when we don't do anything. It's so destructive and devastating but We don't determine that a lot of times So what they would like to see done is going in and clearing out the river and that's not really our call. So Yeah, it puts us you know, we're in these weird situations where right now we've got You know It's fallen on us when we've got Twitchell that's owned by the federal government releasing water into a river that has willows in it, that is controlled by the federal government.

That we can't go in and take out while they're releasing water and it's our fault. So I'd be supportive of this if it gives us an avenue to actually make something happen but I'm not sure that this is really going to help get done what we are looking

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed1:57:18

Chair Williams, but it would be revenue that could go towards some of the planning work needs to be done on a regional basis. Yeah so I think that this is very intriguing. I think we should be thinking bigger here. The one concern I have again just trying to be productive we've got to be careful about voter fatigue on taxes too you know we can do you know We can do anything, but we can't do everything and especially taxes. And so you know if we go down the route with this and I know we're gonna have a conversation about the cannabis tax as well, we might want to be strategic about how we lay those out over the next year whether that one shows up in March like a flood assessment that's a little bit more benign and then having some yeah and then maybe something that's and that probably will be right after some rains hopefully and then maybe something else in the November election just run that out there is part of the conversation

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.871:58:18

So why don't we see whether we're going to let's go to proceed to the next one before we do that. Because I guess the question is, I think you have a good point. You can usually pull more than one but once you start getting to pull three, you start artificially impacting your numbers downward because people are like, what? They're gonna do three taxes. So even when we're not intending to but that can impact the numbers. So why don't we go on to Brittany before we figure that last part out.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction1:58:57

Thank you, Chair Williams and members of the board. Good morning. I am bringing before you today some information about our cannabis operations tax. As you may recall, I was here about a year ago in May of 2022 with similar information. I have some additional information today but a lot of the same and hopefully we can have a discussion about any direction that you'd like to give to our staff.

Our current taxation method was approved by our voters in June of 2018 and it's based on gross receipts. Broad support over 75% of our voters approved this current ordinance. And I have listed the six different types of operations and their rates there it varies from 1% all the way up to 6%. We have very few, if any currently licensed micro businesses so really for All intents and purposes we receive 6% from retail, but it's really the 4% cultivation tax. That's our bread-and-butter The gross receipts are reported quarterly And collected by the treasurer tax collector and this method really has accounted for the market fluctuations because the rates are set, but only paid on gross receipts. So this current or the past glut that we've seen in the market and these downward turns in the market are not necessarily transferred to the operators losing money, but they only pay on what they what they sell, and so this method is really effective for that and just sort of leveling the playing field there.

It does make annual revenue projections complex and not as certain as we saw in our last special issue. We're talking about cannabis tax revenue being down based on what we had projected and that was based on what we had seen in the past and And so we are continuing to do work in that area, but it can be difficult. And I mentioned that this was approved by over 75% of the voters, but it is a general tax or it was put on the ballot as a general tax and so it really only required approval of a majority of voters.

So back on May 17th, we did discuss options to potentially moving to a square footage tax. So that would be transitioning from gross sales receipts to looking at the area of cultivation or what the industry would call canopy. Or another option we talked about too was a hybrid option where we may have a minimum tax that we might place on a canopy area and then charge gross sales receipts above and beyond at a certain minimum tax rate. Some of the considerations for development of a tax structure that would go in that direction based on area are one, that it would require a ballot measure. Our ordinance is very clear and we do not have a lot of wiggle room to change things we have some discretion, but it is a gross sales receipt and we anything that would be seen as raising the tax or changing the tax significantly would need to go to the voters.

And if we were going to do that, we would need to establish rates and that's really been sort of the basis of this conversation in the thing that we've struggled with the most is how do you set those rates? because you need to consider market fluctuations, as I discussed. And also you may need to have so that may result in having possible annual adjustments needed to keep operations viable and also just to keep up with the market and the things that are happening.

To date there hasn't really been an industry standard For indexing it's not readily available although since I spoke to you last year. I think a lot of time and effort has been spent here in our county through the treasurer tax collector's office and the work they're doing and also nationally frankly and statewide to do to get more information and so there is more available And certainly on our end, the data that we're getting through our CCA membership and with access to their third-party data analytics firm, we're starting to be able to look at that and get some ranges.

The other thing to consider is, and I mentioned this briefly but our office of the Treasurer Tax Selector has spent the last year building a tax compliance infrastructure and it's based on gross receipts. And they've done a lot of work around that. They've built databases. They're pulling the data from metric via our membership with the CCA. They're reaching out To operators educating them on the ordinance clarifying things that may have been miss just misunderstandings and so that foundation has been laid and a lot of work has been put into it.

And so I think you know, that's just something we need to consider is that there we've done a lot of work around that There is another consideration too here that The square footage checks could address the I put in quotes holding of acreage. Um as you know, we have an acreage cap and so Once an operator has an approved land use entitlement They are eligible to be in that cap and so that doesn't mean that they're actively growing And so if we had some kind of square footage tax or a minimum tax that could address this sort of commodity that they're holding as our use it or lose it provisions take effect, that the board adopted last fall.

I just and I do just want to say here that you know our review of some of the other jurisdictions and I'm going to get into some details on the next slide indicates The many of the jurisdictions that have a square foot tax have been looking at us gross sales receipts tax and the jurisdictions have a sales receipt. Gross sales receipts tax are looking at square footage tax I know I've talked about this before but it continues and I think you know, I was just at the CSAC ledge conference last week and I was talking to Lake County and I talked to Mendocino County and nobody's happy right now with the state of cannabis tax revenues And it's not so much how they're being collected, it's really about the market and you know the inability of the legal market to really take the majority share of the market.

We still we know it's still only about a third of what's being consumed in California There's no perfect answer here. And so I just want to keep that in mind as I move into some examples. So, I know we had requests to get information from counties and I did reach out to several counties. Some of this information is readily available through staff doing research online but a lot of it requires reaching out and talking to county staff and as you're aware because this is an issue everywhere. People are very busy and so I was able to get some detailed information on this from two counties that have square footage tax, Monterey and Sonoma being those two counties. And then I have some additional information about other counties that use gross sales receipts that we can talk about and share but really I want to focus on these two.

I think we've looked at Monterrey as being fairly similar in a lot of ways to our county Having a large cultivation. industry, large relative. I mean we're talking about 107 acres being cultivated but let's just focus in on that first so last spring we reported their rates and they're broken down by the canopy whether it's indoor mixed light which is really like a greenhouse and then outdoor and they have various rates from eight dollars to two-and-a-half dollars per square foot Today, current they're at $2.13 for indoor versus the eight and 71 cents for outdoor.

And when I talked to them about their so they have like I said 107 acres currently being cultivated my have an asterisk under the outdoor number only because that 33 acres They tax outdoor and nursery at the same rate, and that 33 acres represents nursery for them. They don't have any outdoor cultivation currently or canopy. They weren't able to give me a revenue number for 21-22 because they've been Doing a lot of work around coming up with payment plans for operators and trying to accommodate the industry. And so they don't have a final number for 21-22, and I have a few more details on the next slide.

And then in Sonoma County they just completed... They hired a consultant to look into whether they should go from a square footage to a gross sales receipts They completed that study and they're tentatively scheduled to go to their board in mid-May, to recommend that they stick with their square footage. They did look at equating that to a percentage of gross sales receipts so it's effectively 2 1⁄2%.

But they just felt like the administration around changing How they were doing things was more work than it was worth. And if they could justify the new rates through equating it to a gross sales receipts, they were going to go in that area. So they have about 33 acres of canopy and their rates vary by license type meaning How big a farm is so the larger the farm, the greater rate they pay. And so they have rates that go from nearly $7 a square foot all the way down to 62 cents a square foot and again based on whether it's indoor greenhouse or outdoor and their revenues last year in those 33 acres were approximately 1.7 million dollars.

So just to go over some of the highlights that I heard from staff and talking to them in these counties, Monterey County has reduced their rates four times since 2016. And again, I mentioned they approved a payment plan so they approved a payment plan for fiscal year 21-22 for quarters two through four and for the current fiscal year. They told me they're going to have some level of interest applied to delayed payments, but they still haven't established that interest rate. And so things are really still in flux and again they don't have totals for fiscal year 21-22.

Sonoma County reduced their rates in April of 2022, so about a year ago by 45% retroactively to July 2021 even before they did their study So they've reduced their rates, you know almost in half And then I mentioned that they completed the study that will adjust square footage race rates based on a square Sorry based on a gross receipt rate of two and a half and they built in annual adjustments to account for changes to prices so many of these Jurisdictions. I think what they're what they're really finding too is the more flexibility They can build into their ordinance to allow for these market fluctuations the better off they are And finally, I didn't have Humboldt County on the chart before because I didn't have all the numbers from them.

But I was able to gain information in that you know in November last year they actually approved a resolution extending a temporary reduction of taxes and suspending 100% of cannabis taxes for tax years 23 and 24. And that reduced rates by 85% for cultivation year 2021. And payments are not subject to penalties and interest during tax years 22, 23 and 24. So what they do is they collect their taxes a year in arrear so they'll Tax year 22 is for all the cultivation in 21, so that's why there's some differentiation there. But essentially they've suspended their tax rate through 23 cultivation but payment in 24, so this current calendar year.

And then finally, since we're talking about square footage and we need to wrap our head around what that might look like for our county. I just wanted to give you a sense of something. And I think when I brought this before, we had some other rates. But given where we are now and seeing where other counties are taxing per the square foot, I'm using 60 cents for indoor and 30 cents for mixed light and outdoor.

This is very simple of oversimplified, I think because we also have in our county some other unique things about our outdoor grows and what type of product comes out of our outdoor grows because of our restrictions on outdoor drying and limited processing. And so 30 cents, you know if it's outdoor auto flower is one thing but if it's fresh frozen or if it trim or there are these other types of products that we would probably need to consider. So I don't think we could look at something quite this simple but I wanted to give you a look at how many acres or the square footage we'd be looking at. And so our indoor mixed light, we have that acreage cap at 186 acres and so where we would estimate that with the acreage gap being fully permitted, that our canopy would be about 75% of that acreage and that equates to 6.5 million square feet At 60 cents a square foot that could bring in $3.9 million for outdoor 75% of the acreage cap that we have there is would be you know just over 1100.

Square acres sorry and 51,000,000 square feet at 30 cents or at half the rate could bring in 15,000 It's unlikely that our county would receive revenues at this level initially, since the you know if we transition the tax. The tax burden could affect ability of many of our current operators or our prospective operators that are in the cap. to remain viable because they built their business plans on our current system. And so there'd be a readjustment and we'd have to look at where we landed, but I would just for your knowledge like our average size of a large outdoor operation is around 60 acres. So that would be an annual tax burden of $588,000 or tax revenue to us of $588,000 at that 75% Cultivation rate a mid-sized at 25 acres would be two hundred and forty five thousand dollars and amid a mixed light indoor You know the one the operations mostly in the south coast in the Carpinteria Valley around five acres would be paying $98,000 So that is the information I have for you today.

I'm happy to take questions. I am sure there are many

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:15:16

Questions from the board. Thanks Okay, then let's go to public comment.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:15:25

Chair Williams and members of the board we have one request to speak on this special issue and we're going to zoom for Joe Armaderez. Joe?

CommentJoe ArmendarzProposedself-stated2:15:37

Good morning everybody I guess it's almost afternoon good um good grief Well, first of all let me just say on the issue of polling. I did an informal poll of my household on taxes and it was 100% against although my wife isn't home so there might be a margin of error in that result. I think that you know one of the things that is probably worth doing is going back and considering the fact that in the last two years we've lost as a state nearly 800,000 people To mostly Florida, which has the 48th highest tax burden in the country. The only states that have lower tax burdens would be Alaska and Texas. And by the way, Texas has had a lot of recipients of California taxpayers fleeing with nothing but the shirt on their back.

I think when you add to that the issue that we have the highest inflation in 50 years, the highest interest rates in 30 years One must sort of just examine the logic here of even contemplating paying higher taxes. I thought that Supervisor Lavinino had it exactly right, you have the highest strategic reserve you've had in perhaps a generation and you're not reducing any services.

No, don't raise taxes on the hardworking families of Santa Barbara County. With respect to the cannabis, thank God for Humboldt and Monterey and Sonoma. They understand the problem. The cannabis industry is in a severe recession as Brittany pointed out third of the Sales are legal, two-thirds are illegal. The two-thirds that are illegal it's you know I'll just point out the obvious they're not collecting any taxes and so to raise in contemplate raising taxes on our beleaguered cannabis industry I think would just be counterproductive in ways that frankly go beyond my ability to describe it thank you.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:17:42

And that concludes public comment on this special issue

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:17:48

Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:17:49

Yeah, I should have clicked on a light before public comment just to speak a little bit about the cannabis tax You know, I think like year ago we had this conversation I Had some comments about where I was at with it that I I'm constantly frustrated by the gross receipts tax and I understand that other people that are frustrated by the square footage tax or looking at us as an option and back and forth like I get that that's going on but Just from a public policy position In the conversations I have with the public, I've always desired to have something that would reduce complexity in the tax structure and something that would increase transparency.

I don't think that we should redo this tax as a proxy war on the cannabis industry and find a way to put them out of business. That's the last thing I'd ever want to do here at this point. I just want to have a process that would be something that would make more sense Where people, where the impact could be more directly equated to the revenue. And so that's where I've been out on this. I'm interested in seeing us to continue to look at this and maybe look at it. I also think maybe per ounce or per pound. I'd be another way to look at this as well. That's the state was doing that with the cultivation tax for a period of time, so that's already been tracked by the state and I want to get us out of the auditing business in this if possible.

I rather have it be the state and that's why I think is really what my frustration is the gross tax is that we have to build all this infrastructure to try to make sure that we're catching people and making sure that the people are paying the right amount. And I think we have a lot of really good operators in our county, but also have some obviously some not-so-great operators that are absolutely avoiding taxes by moving product around and selling it themselves at different numbers. And I also know that there's also an issue with the market and I totally get that and I can appreciate that but that's why to me a per ounce or per pound option is actually preferable because if you're producing Then you'd have a predictable rate as one of your variables and as you move forward.

It's also something that the state gets through the track and trace system, so it's something we could easily see, I think easily see for our county. So that's where I've been on this. One other piece that it would be really important if we do go down this route is I Do think we need to engage with industry Because what were if we go down this route? It'd be repealing a tax and starting a new tax And I think that's gonna be a hard political push at the taxpayers to explain that there's gonna be a lot of nuances and I think we don't want everybody in the same boat rowing in the same direction.

I Think there's a way to pitch this to industry that this would actually help them by I think it's important to have a conversation about reducing some of those concerns that the general public has about the industry and maybe equating better the impact on the revenue. So, I'm still interested in that conversation moving forward if we want to get there. I don't think we should decide Should reach out to board members, community members, to industry and work on something that might continue the work that she's already been doing.

And bring something back to us in the future with a goal of having something in November. So we're over a year out from really having to come to that but I do think this is a kickoff of that conversation potentially.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.892:21:17

Supervisor Lavinia? Thank you and I want to say Brittany's doing a great job. I mean, you're being tasked with something that nobody else in the states figured out how to do so if if that's our direction and you know, I support that as well. I mean, I've been very I'm always seeking ways to improve this system and I think trying to come up with a fair tax is is at the top of that list of things to get done.

I think one thing we've learned out of this, for sure, is that predicting cannabis tax is near impossible. First year we thought we predicted five, we got 12. We predicted 10, we got 16. So then we learned and were like all right, we're gonna get 19, we got nine. 16, we get seven. So my prediction is we should guess low and get higher, right? That's the way it works but What's weird about the, so I've kind of gotten back and forth. And we sat with probably a dozen of the smartest people that I know in the county and tried to figure out how to get to... Because I think really the way to do it is to index it to what the price is, right? But there's no index that we can find but I was happy to hear from Brittany that maybe that there is something that is coming about because the more I think about the way that if you tax By square foot, I started thinking about like okay you go to the store and buy eggs.

You don't tax eggs by the dozen right? You receive the tax based on what the price of the eggs are so we tax nearly everything on grocery seats. We don't tax a hotel on how many hotel rooms they have. We tax them on what the price of the hotel is It kind of goes back and forth, and I'm fine with whatever we come up with. I think it's interesting though to note that when you go back and look at these other counties everybody is in flux right? There's nobody...it would be nice for us to tell Brittany hey go copy this vote this county because they're doing it right. I mean Humboldt has basically gotten rid of all their tax Obviously not something I'm advocating.

I want to see us come up with something that's fair, just and predictable as much as we can so the other thing is too when we and I know I'm glad you put that caveat upon that one slide when we showed what could be generated by a square foot tax and it showed like $19 million. One of the things we'd have to look at too is would those people still stay in business?

I think, I don't know if it was one of the slides or one of the questions I had with you but I think 200 acres just dropped out of production just recently in this county. Is that correct?

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:24:16

Supervisor Lavagnino through the chair. It wasn't on the slide but we just recently received four withdrawals prompted because there was inactivity on their business license applications that equated to about 200 acres and so we were able to pull people off the wait list that were excited about getting onto the list I also just received information from the state that the state has seen a drop of 20% in licenses. So it, yeah. Yeah

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.892:24:45

so those people are excited until they have to start taking it to market right? So yeah we're in a downturn no doubt and we've got to weather it but yeah I'm supportive of you know staff taking a deeper dive on this and finding out what can be done. I'd be really interested to hear what our what that comes back to me.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.922:25:12

Thank you for the work. I know we all want revenues to increase and we're looking to figure out the best ways to do that with transparency and fairness. I was very appreciative of the conversation last year when this was discussed, and I believe Supervisor Lavanino brought it forward. We're all struggling with how to reconcile this. I was also impressed with the fact at the time that Carp Growers was in favor of a change, and I appreciate Supervisor Nelson's point that we should include industry in helping determine what this change would be. But revenues are down and I know they're down across the state but I believe we're the only ones doing it the current way. I took note of the conversation last year that the majority of the board said let's stay with status quo because we're going to learn a lot from the audits.

And for legitimate reasons, we haven't yet as far as my understanding goes. And so to me that's just another piece of this that it's really hard to audit. It's really hard to get this kind of information that would make a more informed decision to stay with grocery streets. So I definitely support change in direction. Thanks.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:26:30

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.802:26:32

Well, I think it hasn't turned out how we had hoped and I think we put a lot of faith in the track-and-trace system that the state would have and that really hasn't panned out. And so we've been trying to shore it up with consultants and you know paying I think it's a half million dollars That we still don't collect from the growers And I think we should but It's a complicated system, and if I had to go back again I would work much harder to make sure that it was transparent and simple We my office met with Harry Hagen and his staff, and they walked us through how difficult our one-of-a-kind tax system is that at each step of a transaction revenue is due. And people don't really know that going from the nursery to cultivation that's a tax due.

So they have invested a lot trying to explain this But I don't have a solution. It's more complex and I think, as Supervisor Nelson mentioned, simplicity and transparency would be much higher on my list of priorities if I had this to start again because my hunch, what I hear on the street and from neighbors is that there's a back door and a front door. And we're missing a lot from people who already have licenses And that really bothers me and how to clamp down on that.

But I'm not sure, the acreage I think would be a way to do it but at this point it's not a clear path how to get there so I'm really stuck. I wonder what a per pound looks like because that wasn't an option that was really elaborated

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:28:54

Well, I know the state went away from that because they had the cultivation tax previously and they actually have forgiven that in exchange for pushing more towards the excise tax and their sales tax. But what intrigued me about the cultivation tax at the state level was that the state was tracking that, right? That was something that they knew what those receipts would look like.

So that was one of the reasons why I pointed to that. I want the state to be the auditors, I don't want Harry's shop to be the auditors. I mean, Harry does an amazing job but he's got a lot of other work to be doing and chasing these businesses down. And I don't think it's the best use of funds and that's one reason why I've been trying to find something else out that might make sense.

And hopefully this conversation the five of us are having can get people's Thoughts going industry, advocates, opponents about how do we make that work. So I'm interested over the next 13 months trying to find something that could potentially be on the ballot.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:29:59

Supervisor Lavinia?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.892:30:01

Thank you Mr Chair. Mendocino and Ventura also do, don't they have the same tax structure we do?

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CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:30:12

Supervisor Lavagnino, I don't know the details of the transfers but Yolo and Santa Cruz are also on gross sales. So there are other counties that do gross sales.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.892:30:25

So I just wanted to make that clear but yeah so we I just I do want to bring us back to one thing and that is our consultant at the beginning told us it's gonna be between 5 and 25 million which I laughed at because I said, I think I could guess that we paid for that estimate. But you know over five years it's generated $50 million. I don't know any other program that's generated that much so I want to fix it. I want to get it right.

I wish it was simple and I wish it was an easy fix but if anybody can do it, it's going to be Brittany and her team so I have faith in her

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:31:10

I don't want to impart a new issue in the 11th hour. It's not an new issue to supervisor Hartman because we are on that library ad hoc committee, but the library ad hoc committees ask has been to Pull a parcel tax for libraries now if we went forward with a sales tax that would probably be potentially Not needed, but without it. So I want to see if there, you know, it sounds to me like we still need some time into stakeholder meetings, industry meetings and research. For whatever we do on cannabis.

So the question is should we invest in some polling on parcel tax for libraries and what struck me is that is that even Goleta was very interested in this, even when they already have a parcel tax for libraries. And so specifically the not we've tried to include all cities, not all cities have been at all meetings But some of the cities are somewhat up to speed. The most up to speed is Santa Barbara and Goleta.

So, I wanted to put that out there because if we give direction to staff to do a poll it's gonna kinda be unfortunate if we then six months later give direction to do another poll. It's much cheaper to do whatever you're gonna do at one shop.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.892:33:03

So this phone call is gonna be, do you want a sales tax measure? Or

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:33:08

pick one of the above I guess. In general I would suggest put our priority in the motion so if the pollster says don't pull this many we drop off whatever's the last on the list but I think there's probably possible to do a poll with three measures, I would say four would be really pushing it. And two might be the right number so but I do think that that's why we want to give some direction so that staff can go out to a polling outfit and figure out what would reasonable poll to do exactly what Supervisor Hartman is trying to say, which is one that clinically looks at what the appetite of the public is and views of the public.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:34:11

Supervisors and Chair Williams, I think for we appreciate that as much information as possible. But as you know we to do a poll for November We still have a year about we would probably be doing it about this time next year And so there's plenty of time and what would be really asking if he wants to go forward whether we would allocate funding For that and we had soon about $80,000 to $100,000 for just a sales tax So if you throw in the library maybe 120

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:34:39

Well, if the libraries were we would also ask for money from the cities for it to chip in too. Mr. Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:34:50

Yes thank you Chair Williams I just wanted There's so many different issues we've kind of gone over here. I'm not a big fan, to be honest with you about the polling. To me, I think that maybe it was just a philosophical point that this feels not right for me to poll the public on how to convince them to agree to pay more taxes. We represent the 450,000 people in this county and I think we can take some leadership positions and then try to go sell those taxes and assessments to the public. So I'm not a huge fan of the whole polling concept I do see some of these assessments that are valuable. You know, I'm definitely struggling with the sales tax but I really like the benefit assessment on the flood control. Definitely a lot of need there.

Interested in reconfiguring the cannabis tax and then to the library tax. I'd be...I love to do that especially I think it's an opportunity for us to potentially supplant the amount of funding that we're doing to libraries because you know what I asked earlier about Was, you know, does the sales tax in cities go into serving people in the counties? Well we actually use County General Fund to give services to people in cities with the library tax. So I would actually love to have that tax that actually paid for libraries countywide and return those funds back to the cities and the counties so that we can have that general fund. That's a huge number. I think if we actually pull that back it's probably bigger than what you were thinking on that committee but that would make more sense and be more equitable Because, you know that is a municipal service.

The county has taken a a larger burden on. I think some of those reports that we've done in the past has shown that our county's been very generous on per capita investment in libraries because most counties will do that for their unincorporated residents, not necessarily their city residents but we double up in our county and so I think there's an opportunity there. I'd love to come back with another item and maybe it's too much to do today actually. I think you're going to have an ad hoc report back to the board next month. Maybe we can add that to that conversation.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:36:53

I think that's agreeable, though. I would correct you in that the analysis of the ad hoc is that we have one of the lowest funding of any jurisdiction that was researched even though there is a portion paid by the county. In fact, and it's precisely because most Parts of the county with the exception of Goleta have no dedicated source of revenue towards libraries.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:37:26

When we had that library report, I mean what is it six eight years ago? It was a low number because of the way we calculated it. I mean I don't think there's a lot of counties that give the per capita across their entire That is a

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:37:43

true statement and so is the fact that we collectively have one of the lowest library fundings. Whether you're talking about cities or counties, the only one that's even in the ballpark of decent funding is the City of Santa Barbara.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed2:37:59

I'm glad to have that conversation during the ad hoc update. It's an important one for our board.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:38:06

Great then we will take a five minute break and then go for final board discussion. Supervisors do you want to motion on this specific item?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:38:13

No what we'd like if you could give us about 10 minutes, we have actually or we typically do a summary wrap up for your board. We'd like to do that first before you begin deliberation So if you give us a little bit of time for Paul to finalize that, get the slides up, get them posted. We would like to give you the summary and you can either deliberate right after that or go to closed session and lunch and then come back afterwards as your pleasure.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:38:38

We'll do your summary in 10 minutes and then we'll do deliberation.

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated2:38:43

And Mr. Chair, before we take the break I just want to go back to the flood control item so we talked about a special tax being two-thirds vote Benefit assessments can be done a different way and our current benefit assessment for the flood control district is done through You do a mailed notice to the property owners, and they have a ballot And then we hold a notice public hearing you've done through this done this before and then there's a majority Protest process so it's sort of the opposite instead of the majority in favor if there was a majority protesting Then If there isn't a majority protest then the board can pass the assessment So I just wanted you know, there's a couple of different options of ways. You could go with the assessments

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:39:27

and I would expect mr. Rubel Cabo that it's the latter this majority protest method that you're recommending

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.842:39:37

I Mean I want to speak to County Council and everybody else involved before I provide that recommendation

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:39:43

Okay, well today what we're asked to do as part of all of these is just to see whether we should allocate money towards polling.

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated2:39:54

And Mr. Chair and members of the board, if you're interested in that then we can look at both options and come back to you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:40:03

Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.842:40:04

Ten minutes. Reconvening.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.872:57:10

We will be doing the board discussion for the budget workshop, but we'll first have a summary from Monomi Asato and Mr. Clemente.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:24

Thank you, Chair Williams. We've posted online and put before your board our budget workshop summary and so this is going to just preface give a summary in a wrap-up of what we heard over the last three days before your board begins its deliberation So as we've said all along, we have a stable fiscal outlook for next year. We have revenues expected to meet needs.

We discussed our five-year fiscal outlook and there's minimal ongoing and one time remaining for department expansions but there's no service level reductions. We talked about key challenges in emerging issues. As we said cannabis tax remains volatile but we are continuing to make investments consistent with the board's priorities And so again, this is your the board's focus areas and I'm not going to go through them but you've heard aspects of this throughout the week.

And thank you to Supervisor Capps we included workforce and affordable housing as a focus area on the slide. So this is what we heard from your board during this past week regarding health and human services That you want us to come back post-workshops on where we are in workforce housing. On the Racial Equity Fund, again we'll come back post-workshops on where we are in the fund and its uses. You talked about children's life expectancy and what kinds of coordination of services we could provide and so we'll continue to evaluate it with a local issue And continue ways to better integrate our services. And there's much discussion about the opioid crisis. We will continue and coordinate efforts that many departments are already engaged with, and as you saw Director Hamami has volunteered to lead a more coordinated effort for the county.

On community resources and public facilities we talked a lot about the storm impacts and even this morning you mentioned Guadalupe Dunes. We'll continue efforts with our federal state partners And other agencies to assist the storm damage continue with the set aside for match and cash flow. We talked about rental assistance and continue to look for ways and other things, other options to help renters.

There was a request for the Isla Vista street lighting match with CSA 31 and a request for the Los Olivos public restrooms There was no further direction or requests we heard on general government support services. Regarding public safety, we heard a lot about the rural crime needs and will continue efforts to work with growers on ways to address and continue requests to city agencies for more assistance for regional approach to the narcotics enforcement team.

On policy and executive, we heard this morning to continue to work with Public Works to evaluate the storm costs and determine if the $14 million set aside is enough to assist for some of the needs that we're hearing in Guadalupe. On the special issues maintenance and capital, the board talked about the 18% policy and you requested that we provide an update on what it would take in annual contribution to update that numbers. I'm just telling the board, it'll take us several months to put that together and so we will have a work initiative in 23-24 come back to your board but it won't occur that number of what the amount would be necessary won't occur before the budget hearings.

Capital projects list, we're seeking your boards affirmation of the recommended list or any changes to that and that will be part of your boards deliberation. Special issues on the swap out of cannabis tax, Tell us to go ahead and proceed with our recommendation on the swap out. And on the special tax measures this morning, we heard the board asked us to continue research in developing a polling plan with a potential of November 2024 target but really is to continue the research and get more feedback and information. On the flood control assessment, to explore polling in Montecito area which was Public Works' request but also look at other flood control areas and if the new funds would help on those unique issues Cannabis tax to continue with our research and come back with different options for potential changes looking towards November 2024 should we decide to make a change.

And library tax, it was discussed that we will come back with further discussion when the ad hoc committee report comes back to the board potentially add sales tax polling to the larger polling and request cities for contributions. So again, for your boards deliberation we have allocated all the ongoing GFC already and we did this to fill the board's policies and required cost increases to balance department budgets to prevent them from having take service level reductions. We have reserves in year two and three of the fiscal plan to prevent or reduce Impacts of potential deficits, cuts or layoffs in 24 and 25. And to not overextend our resources given the uncertainty of the state budget and a potential recession. We'll continue to work with the assessor on the final property tax roll and evaluate impacts from the Governor's May revise.

And again these could have positive or negative impacts. And so as you begin your deliberation, we just want to remind you and this is in the slides. We said we showed at the beginning of our workshops there's one time available general fund that's the amount less capital. There's one-time prop 172 for public safety needs and there's some ongoing 172 growth for public safety needs what we still have unknown are the state budget impacts will know more with the governor's may revise but the legislature may not know more until after October When income tax receipts are tallied and the property tax roll. So, the assessor is continuing to work on the role and there won't be finality until basically July 1 but we're continuing to work with the assessor on refinement of our numbers.

So funding options. For highest priority requests, you could direct my office to work with departments and we can always recommend reductions to budgets to fund the requests. We could encourage non-general fund sources if they haven't already been evaluated and evaluate if one time needs can be used for limited term to set expectations in end dates and we've done that in the past use one time funds for expenditures for a limited time.

You could also indicate to us your highest priority items today. And as we refine the tax roll, if higher property tax rates are estimated between now and either the May budget release or the hearings and we find there's no significant state impact on the budget, we could include the items in the recommended budget or bring it to your board for hearings to the extent that funds would be allowed.

And this would mean potentially deferring the future sub-out of cannabis expenditures for general fund which we talked about so in future years. The board may further consider unfunded remaining expansions at the budget hearings which is our typical process. So as you begin your deliberations I just want to pause here Again, we don't want to spend one-time funds on ongoing needs. We've looked at using it for a limited term but because we are still working on refining the role I'm saying if your board could indicate to us today your highest priorities and let us work with the departments, work with the assessor to see if there is additional revenue how we could accommodate it in our recommended budget or at the hearings because we still have a little bit of time to work through those issues.

So again, if you can indicate to us your highest priority items today and then we can work on it in the next several weeks for the recommended or again for the hearings. And then after workshops, this is what we will continue to do and that's to work with the auditor. We said revise the discretionary revenue estimates, finalize expenditures and then we'll complete the recommended budget for release in May and then prepare for the hearings.

And so again our request today is that you provide direction and again regarding the special issues we're asking for your direction on the capital projects that we've presented You've talked to us already on the use of discretionary revenue to sub out for the cannabis program, and you've given us direction on the tax measures. But we would still request your direction on the capital projects.

And I think that's it. So if your board would like to begin your deliberations, you can. And again, we're asking for some confirmation on the capital projects list And then any high priorities you'd like us to look at between now and either the May recommended budget release or the hearings.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:06:07

Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:06:08

Hart,

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:06:08

would

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:06:08

you like to begin? I just had a question first and could we go back to slide four? There was one other issue that I think is a big one, and that is mental health beds. I know that our Behavioral Wellness Department is working on CARES Court and CalAIM and the impact of MHSA initiatives as well as You know, a host of other issues. But I do think that for the future is something to come back and we continue to make progress but is it enough at least?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:06:52

Thank you Supervisors to the Chair. Actually we had that on the slide and we took it off because well the board didn't have that discussion yet so we took it off but we understand and hear you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:07:03

Yeah, and I said something about it but I didn't know that we were at a point in the discussion where, and I know you don't normally just put this stuff up if only one of us says something. But maybe we could... Yeah, be pretty full. So I wanna add my voice into the idea that we need to talk about that. And as I understand it, it's largely a staffing Difficulty right now, but I still think that's important because there are strategies of how to to deal with that and And I'm happy too. I think what the public talked about is a question about how this intersects with the CCP and Because I'm new to the CCP. I don't Fully have an answer but maybe I would pledge to bring that back to the CCP as well Okay board deliberations. Do you want to start there?

Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:07:59

well, I'd be willing I'm not quite sure if we go down the expansion request or go by fund So I organized it by my funds so I could add it up

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:08:10

in supervisors. You could do that first or We still I just still want to make sure we get to the capitalist too

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:08:18

I will make sure people get to the capital

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:08:21

and and I'll start that. Um, I I Support the list of capital projects for the reasons that I said earlier It's a way that we're chipping away at our deferred maintenance And I think that's a wise prudent way to invest So This My numbers don't all add up, but I just wanted to start with the prop 172 unallocated monies The ongoing funding and So the highlights for me are the DA victim witness And the public defender LOP supervisor. I think those are absolutely essential I'm

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:09:10

sorry Are we going to have somebody track this? I mean, I'm trying to write all this down. But I don't know

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:09:15

so No,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:09:16

no, okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:09:17

So supervisor right now. I'm just asking for your highest priorities Because we're gonna put a list together and some of these may not be funded if we don't have enough revenue Got it. So that's but I'm asking to get a sense and for the you have a sense amongst each other what your priorities are

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:09:35

Please proceed

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:09:36

Okay in in the one-time discretionary funding This gets tricky because this is our largest pot of funding, but it's only one time and mainly our requests were for staff. So what I would propose is maybe see if we could fund it for two years So the CSD electric transportation, the HR office professional senior, the CSD sustainable grant writing, the treasurer, the veterans for maybe 1.5 years, Supervisor Nelson asked if we need the full amount for the first year The Orchid Rent, I think is important. The Los Olivos restrooms at least for one or two years is important.

I think County Council that was clear. I'd like to see Civic Spark because I think that's a lot of value for the money and then the warming centers So that was a big list. And then for the Prop 172 restricted, the DA for the two-year new case management, the public defender for the two-year racial justice and then the DA for the parole hearing and then I haven't gotten into the sheriffs yet. I think that'll require a broader discussion so I'm sort of holding off on that

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:11:15

And what you're saying in these cases over the one time, if it's a staff position funded for

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:11:21

two years. And our CEO may not like that so...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:11:27

Just a point of clarification, our case management is just a one year ask. We plan on full implementation by April of the next fiscal year. So that is a one-year ask.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:11:39

You know what, whenever a department head comes up and says I only want half of what you just suggested that is awesome. Golden. Golden.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:11:49

And supervisors, a lot could change between now and even the recommended as we work more with the departments things mysteriously change and morph. And so again, I would ask you just to give us what you think your priorities and let us work with the departments on On how long? One year, two years with limited funding or if there's any available funding through the... If we see any tax increases or property values increase.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:12:15

And that was my list and I have it in the different charts if that would be helpful for Paul.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:12:24

Who wants to be next? Supervisor Lavagnino. Caps, we're kind of

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:12:32

close.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:12:33

We'll think you next. We'll

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:12:35

probably share a lot of the same ones here so I'm just gonna be super broad it sounds like and just it's gonna be up to you to figure out come back and figure it all out. So Veterans Service Supervisor I think that's in him and I understood Harry's got some things he can do but I'm gonna leave that to you Curious why emergency shelters and warming centers is that because of operations. I didn't know if it was one time, it's in ongoing but whatever it is we've got to continue with that.

Do

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:13:14

you want an explanation of that?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:13:16

Well, I'm assuming they didn't make a mistake so it's considered ongoing? It is ongoing. Okay, it's ongoing then

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:13:23

all right. But we could allocate at once. So what it is as we pay Entities to take people under a certain number of beds every year

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:13:33

Okay, well to me. That's that's a priority I want to take care of the orchid library rent increase and how we're gonna do that out of what pot? for me And I won't go into all the reason why but we'll just say Support the public defender. Super supervisor. I know she asked for two if we can afford to that's great if we can only afford one, I could go with that too.

The district attorney think these are for me. Very high priority it's the. A new case management, the victim witness and also the parole hearing. Deputy District Attorney And then I agree with you, the sheriff's is almost kind of like its own animal because we've got to find something creative or different to do and I'm not really sure how to do that in the context of no money.

So while I am supportive of the new incremental staffing approach without any ongoing funding That becomes very difficult to figure out how to do. So I would either say between now and when we get to the budget that we discuss this more, or I'll meet with the sheriff again and try to figure out a way that we can figure this out.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:15:00

If I might add, we've got the DSA also, and that's a big...

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:15:07

Absolutely. Coming down between whether it's recruiting, retention what we do there and I know we've talked about it a million times but. It might be one that we have to wait to see if what additional funding becomes available.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:15:23

And can I just ask a clarification question to both you and Supervisor Hartman? On the libraries, the CSD asked if my recollection was for also for the ongoing to take up the increased cost of black gold. So is your are you saying ORCOT library only or ORCOT plus the black gold increase that's between those two is a total of $75,000, I believe Mr. Cromantie. Is it true?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:15:54

But it's only listed, I think as the Orchid Library.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:15:58

Oh they're both down there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:15:59

Okay yeah

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:16:07

that's very low dollar. Then on the CIP list... Yeah I'm

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:16:09

fine with that. Is that both? Are you saying both?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:16:13

And then the CIP list, I agree with the list. I do have concerns that where they're all located seems to be in one geographical area, but that's what needs to be worked on. That's what needs to be worked on so I support the imperative the essentially important and we'll see if we have any ability to do the desirable projects later. Supervisor Katz

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:16:40

Thank you and bear with me if I don't get all of the categories and pots of money correct or the acronyms, but I will state my priorities here. And I just appreciated the staff work that went into every single one of these requests learned a lot these last few days hope the public did as well. And so going along with some of the requests that came from departments highest priorities for me would be the DA victim witness fact Domestic violence is up 31% in North County, certainly very compelling public defender. We heard from the community about a need for more supervisors. The caseloads there has been certainly a very compelling reason to put support behind that.

I'm again brought up lighting and Isla Vista as a top capital project for me in addition to what's currently on the list. I believe Director McAulpin can confirm We can take that out of CSA 31, is that correct? Would you mind affirming that as we negotiate this. The total is 250 and at first we talked about a split but it might make sense to do it all CS31 I'd love your thoughts on that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:17:51

Sure through the chair, Supervisor Caps. Since the issue came up on Tuesday Julie Hagen and her team did a deep dive in CSA 31 we have $100,000 line item in there right now for miscellaneous safety projects that's usually concrete or lighting so we could dedicate that to the enhanced lighting project out there and then we have adequate reserve to cover the balance. So excellent thank you

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:18:12

Thank you. Supervisor Harmon made a good case, as did the public for the porta potties in Los Olivos. I've experienced that need myself not too long ago. So let's see just adding to the list here. I do want to talk about mental health beds and I did see an item.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:18:31

Can I interrupt you? Just second

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:18:32

on process

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:18:34

on the on the port of bodies are you suggesting to fund the full amount

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:18:44

I think we can, I think I heard Supervisor Lavinino indicate a yes too but I think we can look at the amount and the number of years. I think we can have further discussions with the Chamber of Los Olivos.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:18:58

Yeah it wasn't on our original, I didn't see it on that expansion list but I agree that community hazard so needs to be taken care of. Okay, sorry please continue.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:19:12

I just wanted to flag on the this is where maybe a question for later but on the need for beds or the discussion around beds I understand it's staffing driven but there was a two million dollar line item for design and I just kind of wanted Fold that back into the conversation if we're talking about be well and, and the priority there. So let's see I think that might have covered it other you know in terms of top priority i'm also interested in public defenders the racial justice attorney supervisor.

The sustainability grant writer those sort of Are at the top of my list.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:19:52

Wait, tell me that again. The sustainability grant

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:19:55

was in CSD

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:19:57

and what was the

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:19:59

racial justice? I'm sorry in public defender, the Racial Justice Attorney Supervisor. OK thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:20:13

Okay, Supervisor Nielsen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:20:16

Yes thank you Chair Williams going through the ongoing and I think what I'm hearing from the CEO and the budget staff is that yeah we only have $800,000 of ongoing for Prop 172, but as they look at the different budgets of these different departments see whether there's maybe vacancies that can be moved around creatively. Maybe deprogram a position and up program another one as well as what other potential revenues are out there so I know I'm going to say more than what's on that list and I think we're all doing that but I just want them understand I appreciate what you're telling us here. You're

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:20:52

taking that mantle from me Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:20:54

Nelson So in no particular order at County Council, there's a significant amount of cost avoidance by doing all the work that County Council has here. Yeah it costs general fund money to do that but I think we're going to get that money back in future cycles as our cost allocation looks at. I mean if we are going out to outside law firms charging $700-$800 an hour to do discovery and we can have one Attorney's doing that for $100 an hour and that's really what that cost it looks like. It's huge And so to me, that's just fiscally prudent I'm interested in and probably one of my highest priorities making sure that the veteran services has a supervisor position I'm okay with In this year just making that the supervisor will deprogram one of the regular positions make that a supervisor But I would hope in future cycles that we actually Backfill that so I know we're trying to be judicious with those dollars District Attorney, Victim Witness, Case Management, Parole and all those are really important things.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:21:59

You're going too fast for me.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:22:02

So District Attorney all three of the expansions there I mean they seem essential but I hope that we can look at budgets and see if there's other ways to pay for these at least this year and maybe phase them in over a few years public works, one-time costs. I think that about that's $750,000 to get to maintaining our PCI at 57. I think that we are so close I think that we should be looking at one time dollars to do that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:22:27

A question on that, because I agree. I thought it was one time but it's in the ongoing so does all of that then get pushed?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:22:35

We will figure that out. Okay. So I do support that as well. Because there isn't going to be enough ongoing but we will figure that out. But the department put that in the ongoing because 18% is ongoing.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:22:44

Right. We're too close to the goal to come up 700,000 short.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:22:47

And I agree, I would support it too. Yeah, I think we can make that up each year. Otherwise really it's debt financing because if we don't do that then we're falling further behind and passing that off to future generations which is unacceptable. So that's on there. Community services, the library funding for ORCID rent as well as the black gold seem reasonable. I don't think we really have a choice with the black gold. I know what the alternative is if we don't fund And then I'm with Supervisor Lavinino on the Public Defender Supervisor. Maybe we can do one supervisor this year and kind of phase that in over the next few years, but one of things I do appreciate about the public defender wherever she is is that the 1.9% vacancy rate that she has in her department, you know?

We can't be as creative with her department because she's already got all the positions filled and I think that's a really tribute to her and her staff So those are my kind of ongoing, oh no sorry. Actually my number one is Sheriff. I probably a little bit more ardent about than others. We all appreciate public safety and I know we're all advocates there, but I do know that we need to start to rebuild that department.

And so I'm on board for the full narcotics team as well as starting to hire back on some corrections deputies and patrol deputies. I know that's a problem because we don't have those positions fulfilled and when we create those new positions We're going to get back to getting the staffing that we need to start to budget incrementally and I think prop 172 is a place to go.

I really appreciate what the budget staff has done to kind of grab that back and make that more of our decision, not just formulaic. But I do think we need to start shifting Prop 172 dollars back to the Sheriff's Department to solve some of these issues in that department as those revenues grow in the future. Capital projects I already mentioned Guadalupe Dunes is a huge priority.

I'm also supportive of Los Olivos bathrooms, but I'd also throw out there Because these are the under corporate areas and I want to see your capital spent there We have the same problem in Los Alamos So I would between now and budget hearings I like to bring that up and see if that's something that we can begin to fund or help with in the future IV lighting and housing assistance programs that Supervisor caps has been highlighted are important to me as well As far as the capital projects we have, the CIP projects.

I love that we're spending this much more money on capital and maintenance but it is frustrating to look at this number and see 75% of it being in the South Coast. And I understand that we have a lot of infrastructure down here, we have a lot of need, a lot That's how it's been for the last couple of years. And so right now, the numbers I looked on that list, only about 10% of that was for North County, 15% of it was in the Mid-County and 75% of it was in the South County.

I think all these are important projects, so I'm not trying to single anything out or pull anything out particularly. I think that's something we need to work on and hope for future budgets when we have capital projects. It's not just fixing things that are broken. We've underinvested for 40 years in these unincorporated areas in the North County So sometimes it's fixing something in the South Coast, but it's also building something new in the North County.

And that's not just buildings, public buildings, it's also infrastructure, traffic circulation, parks, libraries, community centers, things that need to be invested that have never were invested in the past. So I want to thank them, the staff for putting their work at library in there. A couple other orchid projects that I would like to see potentially end up in there is some Clark Avenue improvements. That's on the public works list, as well as Laguna Sanitation is trying to move forward with the recycled groundwater injection project and about $300,000 would go a long way to start moving that project forward.

And how I would pay for that, because I'm trying to find solutions here, is the Modoc Road multi-path trail for 1.1 million dollars We still have that million and a half that we set aside two budget cycles ago for South Coast Trails. That seems to be an appropriate use of those funds. I don't know if it's earmarked for something else, I'd love to hear from staff if it is. If it's not, that seems to be a good spot and that would free up almost $1.2 million where we could spend that on bathrooms in Los Olivos or Los Alamos as well as some of these other improvements. So that would be my suggestion for staff and that way we're not taking away from anything. We're just kind of growing the pot. We're using one of our reserves, but that was in a reserves that was allocated for specifically for South County Trails.

It sounds like something if we fund that we get four times that much money from the state. So it's really important to complete that path, but I think that might be a solution to be able to do more North County projects would be to fund that elsewhere. So those are my items.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:27:58

Supervisor Caps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:28:00

Thank you, Chair Williams. In my haste, Supervisor Nelson just reminded me of a top priority of mine. I recognize we have a lot of pressures on us but housing, I would argue is perhaps our biggest crisis. We had as evidenced with a mass eviction in Isla Vista but it's impacting every district. Renters are suffering. We have some of the highest rents in the country and I would just indicate Desire for creating a fund in lieu of after ARPA funds have dried up Renters are really suffering. There's creative ways like the city of Santa Maria has Security deposit assistance if we could do acute one-time Support I believe and I would be committed to matching from attempting to match from philanthropic dollars if we created a fund as other I'll put mine down and see if I can help summarize.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:29:20

I agree with you all on the DA victim witness. I agree with what I, that I think both LLP supervisors should be funded and so we all agree that at least one should and then we'll got to figure out whether two will. The transportation, in CSD the transportation electrification position. To me if we don't fund it we're really not taking it upon ourselves to do the cheapest way to achieve our climate goals and which is the best bang for the buck being the transportation.

I want to support HR's Office Pro, the sustainability grant writing, the veteran position, the libraries. And my one does add up in math. The restrooms, the county council position The Civic Spark position, the Pavement Index, the Warman Centers. The DA Case Management which is one year. The Racial Justice position in the Public Defenders I only have that down under One-year funding so I would put two or ask Mona to figure that one out and then the parole hearing Position, I have down under one time because I couldn't make the math work under ongoing.

I Obviously think that CSA 31 is an appropriate use for a lighting request and I agree that we should try to fund a North County project and add that to the CIP. I don't know if we should be messing with the other funding formulas, so I would just say that particularly the Laguna Sand one is totally like It's $300,000. We should just add it and find some money in a shoebox between now and June and fund it.

And if we have other available onetimes, the clerk. On sheriffs, what I did is I just put aside half of the Prop 172 growth and a third of A little more than a third I put aside for you know 520 of the one time which I calculated to be enough. To fund various different things, but it you know enough to do the DNA machine which I think is kind of like that's pretty good bang for the buck Two ongoing narcotics, two one-time narcotics positions and two SSTs. And the reason why I bring up the SSTs is that Chief Waslewski is using them effectively in the jail and we're so short staffed and it we actually can hire them. So I just don't understand why we wouldn't be The if we're going to add positions why we wouldn't be adding SSTs instead of positions that I don't know.

Or ephemeral. But what I would suggest we do on the Sheriff's staff is just pack away some money and figure out what to do with it by June, but not make determinations on what to use it for at this time. That would be my suggestion because I feel like there's enough different opinions going on out there. So let me... Anybody want to adjust anything? Supervisor Hartman.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:34:36

I just had two issues that we didn't really talk about the arts funding. Is that coming back in some other context?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:34:47

You'll have a discussion about the 1% arts policy and then I believe there was a BIF about The Office of Arts and Culture. And they are going to come back, yes?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:34:58

Okay so that's coming back and then in terms of the rental assistance I would be very supportive of setting some money aside and then looking at this in more detail what a program would look like I mean, is it more effective to give more money to legal aid? Is it better to give money directly to people? It seems like a toothpick in the dike. And it's a new area for the county and I wonder if we have any... We went in here with ARPA money whether we have any ARPA left over.

I think it's such a critical issue. I know that houseless families have risen by 47%. and talking to Director Navarro, she said this is where trauma starts with homeless kids. And so therein lots of other problems arise but exactly what's a smart way to go about this and that is sustainable I think merits a more in-depth conversation. So that's what I would like to see.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:36:09

And I didn't actually mention that one because it wasn't on the list, but I would also support that. I think my math when I did it with my priorities indicated that there would be enough for a few hundred thousand in my math so I'll support that. Supervisor

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:36:37

Lavinia. Thank you, Mr. Chair so I Want to talk just for a second about a biff that I'm going to be putting in for June and This has always kind of been interesting to me So we go through the budget cycle and we get we have 4700 employees. I guess somewhere around there and Every year we hear from department heads they have like one or two positions that And it feels like up here, you hear it and you're like okay if they don't get this position. This county is going to break and crumble right and then you got a kick back and go wait a minute we already have a whole city full of people working.

We can't be dependent on this one position. But they all, you know, and like I said they all make sense, and we're all trying to figure out priorities. And Tracy obviously only has a 1.9% vacancy rate, which is awesome. But I know there's other county departments that have considerable amount of funded vacant positions. I'm gonna be putting in a request to find out how many of those exist in the county that have been open for over a year.

They've been funded, they're vacant, they've been out for over a year. They might not even be advertised And what I'm going to look for in the future is if you're bringing in an expansion request and you have funded vacant positions, let's make a swap. I mean, if it's that important, it should be filling something that you're not doing right now. And I know for department heads, it's hard because you want to juggle and you want to have those open positions because then you have salary savings and it lets you have a little bit of flexibility.

But the reality is And then this takes me back to a few years ago when there was a position that I got sold on, that I was so excited about. And then I found out a year later we hadn't even ever filled it you know and it was like we gotta have this and so I worked all the math out and was like alright and then that position never got filled for over a year.

And so when resources are as tight as they are we've got to make critical strategic decisions And we can't just be piling on. We have to, and I'm sure department heads are doing their best and I know these all get vetted out through the CEO's office but I just let them put in department heads notice that that's what I'm going to be looking for in the future is if there's an expansion request and you have funded vacant position, I want to know which one's more important.

So if you have 200 employees or 600 employees in your department There's got to be a couple of them that you have funded, vacant, that you're not using. And I understand why you have them but kick them back and we'll provide this other position for you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:39:21

Supervisor Lavinia through the chair if you'd like to make that as direction we can do that but I'd like to hear the board give us that direction so the department heads are in it doesn't mean that they won't get the expanded positions but we're to make to have everyone go through that exercise is important

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:39:38

In case you didn't know, I'm excited about that idea. Mr. Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:39:42

Yes. Thank you Chair Williams. I just wanted to come back to my proposal to get more capital in the North County. Is there a problem with using the South County trail money as a set aside for the MODOC trail match? I don't know if I had heard answer on that. Is it already dedicated to something else? Do my colleagues already have it earmarked for something else and we don't want to use it on that? I just would like to have that discussion.

It seems appropriate use for that, so trying to understand that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:40:13

Supervisor, just to make sure everyone's on the same playing field because Supervisor Capps is new, could you show the slide that shows what the amount of money is? So just as a recall that a few years ago the board allocated some additional cannabis money Towards a North County and a South County Fund basically and She's pulling that up. And what you did today in the swap out is we're gonna be making sure there's enough general fund For that and not cannabis revenue And so the question let's have Reese pull that up So just to make sure everyone knows on the same page about what that fund is and what's there I And then, so if you see in the middle the general county programs with the asterisks. Park Trails and Open Space North County was 2 million.

Park Trails and Open Space South County was 1.5 million. And so that's what's available and Mr. Lindgren is here he can talk about what was CSD's plans or have any of that money been allocated?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed3:41:28

Good morning Chair Williams, Supervisors. Thank you for having me this morning. We have identified about $9 million in unfunded projects in the South County that could use Trails and Open Space funding. We have a plan for this year to begin to use some of that funding for projects in the South County. There is also money in the North County, though it's not at point of this discussion.

Some of the projects that we've been looking at are being prepared should the Gaviota Marine Terminal become available for acquisition. There are projects in the Montecito area, community connector trails we're looking at. There are also community trails in the Goleta area that we're looking at funding and getting those built. And the focus of a lot of this funding is really to accomplish Projects that have been identified in community plans and on the books for several years, sometimes 20 years.

And try and accomplish some of those projects that were part of the existing community plans. Have we expended all of that money in the South County? No, we have not. We did utilize some of that for the countywide recreational master plan so there's a chunk of that money that has been used as the 1.5 for South County and then we have plans for much more of it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:06

And Supervisors, just to Paul saying that the 1.5 still is unallocated although Mr. Lundgren said CSD has ideas how they would spend it the money for the master plan was coming from a different source

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:43:20

It was actually the same source, and I don't recall exactly off the top of my head. I want to say the original allocation was 2.5 million or 2.25 million in the North County and 1.75 million. They have spent some of that. The two million here and the 1.5 million for north and south, that is unallocated, hasn't been spent, and is not currently programmed for anything.

So they've spent a little bit of it, and that's not on this chart.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:43:47

So for me, there's a million and a half there. That's for a project that's ready to go right now matching dollars is going to turn 1.1 into 5.5. That seems like the right source. And these things that Mr. Lingren is bringing up are all great projects that we'll want to fund but once they get shoveled ready to us, we'll make some allocations for it. You know that money's been sitting there for two years and hasn't been allocated And this is the first project that really makes sense to plug into that And so that's why I thought that would be a good opportunity for this board still fund the Modoc multi modal path But at the same time be more equitable and our capital spending throughout the county again, you know when It's hard for me to go back to my constituents to say 90% of the capital that we're gonna spend is outside of the North County and You know, we keep having these conversations.

And somehow if that's okay, it's a problem. And so I'm-

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:44:44

Where would you spend it?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:44:45

Remind me. So I've talked about getting more money for the Orchid Library and Community Center, bathrooms in Los Alamos, parks in Vandenberg Village, Laguna Sanitation Wastewater Injection Recycle Program. We've got projects in North County. Our focus and I think rightfully so has been to try to fix some of the things that are aging infrastructure down here But we have to be a little bit more balanced about what our investments are with our capital. I mean, if you look at the CIP and the unfunded projects just in the Orchard Community Plan or Los Alamos Community Plan there are tons of projects that are unfunded in there that are just kind of on the dream list. We need to start pulling those out and starting investing in those. And so those are things that I'm trying to claw back another million dollars so that we can spend some money in the North County.

Very reasonable, considering the expenditures if you look on this list. I mean it's really easy to see what the investments are and those are all good investments but even the energy efficiencies that believe that's 80% South Coast projects 20% North County projects so you got the Kajuma Lake and that's all in Lompoc is that represents about 15%. Again it's just not spread out I think appropriately It's my job to point that out and see if we can't look to doing that. And I thought I brought a solution to this by saying, hey, we can go find other funding. There is already money there in reserve to do the Modoc Trail.

I'm not asking for a third split or half-and-half. I am just trying to make it more balanced.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:46:24

I think first, Bob, I appreciate you not just coming with an ask and not with a solution. But I think there's at least three votes against this source. Am I correct in that? So can I make a suggestion? Because, I mean you bring up an important point though. I would say that if we're taking care of our oldest infrastructure it's going to naturally if we were being perfectly fair be skewed towards the south because we have more facilities here larger campus all that sort of stuff but I think You know how these budgets work.

At the end of this year, there's going to be more one-time monies available maybe as soon as the time of the final budget comes to us in June but somewhere between June and you know, those third quarter reports there's going to be more money available that we could allocate for one time. It takes a four-fifths vote so that usually we don't allocate them but my suggestion would be that we attempt Pre-budget if there's a mill if there's a million or less more one time funds that show up in this fiscal year It automatically goes to North County CIP list with Laguna Sand being the first and then just going down the list So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:48:12

I don't with all due respect and everybody Doss is my friend. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say this as gently as I can It's hey North County, you know you can have some scraps at the end. That's the message my constituents here That's what I'm hearing and that's really frustrating to me again. I'm trying to respectfully try to bring You know some ideas to the table. I've done that consistently but you know at some point doesn't make sense and we've got a lot of constituents that live up in north of the tunnel that have this problem and It's a 40 or 50 year old problem. You know, we make equity statements, we talk about it and then you know, it comes to actually spending our money which is usually our values document and the priorities go in different directions.

I know that that's a frustrating thing for me up here as a supervisor.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:49:06

Well, I think you are well placed saying that the north needs more But you're attempting to undo a deal that made us be able to come together on parks and trails, and a deal that the North got more money than the South

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:49:24

did. Actually not. I was the only supervisor not to take anything on that one by the way guys. We gave $1.5 million for DOS for South County Trails. We gave what? $2 million for Foothill Forever. We give $2 million because Joan asked for it It was really good sounding as trills that we were trying to look at there. You would north of the tunnel and then we did no dollars in the city, and then I have my half city center made for soccer.

And then when you deferred the conversation about the library, I was working on. And then when it came back to revisiting those funds, we didn't have those funds anymore. So I was the chair at the time is two years ago. And so yeah, I'm not trying to rework the deal. I'm saying that's a smart way to spend those dollars if we can find somewhere else. That's fine.

At the end of the day, my point is we need to be spending more money in North County. And so wherever that comes from I like to see our final budget in June some significantly changes to this capital investments maybe a way more equitable.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:50:25

Supervisor did you want to add

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:50:27

something? I just want to say this is an important discussion to have and Just to supervisor Nelson And Jeff is here the staff. Maybe we're just too much of technicians We're looking at these criteria imperative essential, and I know there's some squishiness in all of that But I don't think there's any intention not to fund North County projects it so that's one thing and And right now the board, you passed some budget policies we bring to you in December talking about things. We don't have anything by district You could tell us to divide up the money by district. It's not the most efficient way of doing it given the pot isn't that large, but that's something you could think about if you want a more transparent and some sort of expectation about how and what gets funded.

So those are different things that we could do. And I think that we could keep a running tab of what is funded where. One of my earlier slides I'm say this at the risk of angering a couple of board members, but one of our biggest Projects that we've continued to fund is in the North County Jail and it has been in Santa Maria It's wait something. We had to do but that hasn't a lot of resources as well

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:51:40

Supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.803:51:47

Well I really appreciate the point that Supervisor Nelson is making. I tend to think of it as separate issues, that is we need to invest in new kind Urban services, parks, libraries, community centers, public spaces for North County trails and that's desperately needed. I think we also have most of our built infrastructure this building the courthouse. We're headquartered largely down south and so those are needs we can't really ignore but I think we need to consider more intentionally how we get better services to the unincorporated areas. It used to be that you could incorporate if you wanted more of these services, but now you've got to pay your own way if you're a city and an area like Orchid, an area like Vandenberg Village there just isn't the revenue that they can ever be self-sufficient So that I believe means we have to rethink what the county's responsibility is for their quality of life.

And so, I think it's a bigger issue than simply capital projects and I'm grateful to you for pointing it out and I think it is something we really need to consider because The things you're talking about create community they create resilience. They create a sense of belonging They're really really significant and and we are Disproportionately invested in South County in those kinds of things compared to North County

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:53:44

Supervisor

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.893:53:44

lab, yeah Thank You and I hope I Mean it first off. I appreciate you fighting for what? You know You feel like you're not getting. I don't want our staff looking at, you know who's getting what and coming with recommendations based on geographical breakdowns or district boundaries? I look at that list and like alright. Do we need a bestest abatement phase two in the Santa Barbara Administration building? Yeah, then let's pay for it. You know if it I don' think they are making up stuff that doesn't need to be done I have to say that last go-round, last year's budget cycle was the best North County's. We had a haul out of the ARPA funds.

The ability for me to give $1.5 million to City of Santa Maria for soccer fields which by the way aren't anywhere close to being built and maybe that's going to come back at some point. Maybe that $1 million comes back and $2 million for future trails That was huge and these things go in cycles. I want to get fixed the stuff that needs to get fixed wherever it is, but I think Joan brings up the biggest point is what has lacked for the last 40 years or 50 years in this county is a complete lack of investment on open space trails those things that make a community a community any unincorporated areas of Santa Barbara County especially in North County and so You know, I think your constituents We'll understand that you're the bulldog that's going to be on this and can hold everybody's feet to the fire, that we're going to get our fair share.

So I just hope we can all work together to make that happen. And I appreciate the fact that you come with solutions or a proposed solution.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed3:55:41

I want to make sure I'm clear. I'm not looking for perfect equity. I've often said that team up here were five people representing five different districts A lot of different areas and constituencies. And I think there should be give-and-take, and that's absolutely what I expect. Like I said, I'm concerned about going too many cycles without some take. And so that's where I'm gonna keep advocating for it. So it will be a broken record up here, and I appreciate the conversation and you guys giving me the opportunity to have it, and hopefully that can educate all of our decisions moving forward, and maybe we get back to June and there's some opportunities for some investment

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:56:20

Well I for one will be looking for an opportunity in June to do more North County CAP projects. You know, and I do want to say that some projects just like you guys don't count the Northern Branch Jail your math, you know, the Bewell Isn't for just South County. It's for the whole county, you know it so, you know, it's it's it it's dicey to Parcel it up in that way, but it doesn't mean that you're not right that we should do more in the North County Okay Can I'm gonna just try to summarize?

The them for staff if people if I got a Your vote wrong, tell me. Okay?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:57:06

Chair Williams, I don't think we need to go through the list. I think Paul has it of going through what we heard and at this point we just wanted to get your input. Let us continue to work on the list.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:57:16

After a lot of public health hearings and appeal languages, I just want to do it real fast, okay? Just make sure that Paul and I have the same numbers, okay? Is

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:57:31

that cool? And again, board members on the numbers. I just want to make sure the departments know this list of where there's consensus at least three board members doesn't mean you're going to get these expansions requests. I just want to be everyone clear that doesn't mean it. You're saying what the boards highest priorities are of the things mentioned. Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:57:51

So I have five people down for the DA victim witness under ongoing prop 172. I have five for the LLP supervisors under 172, though two of those five are for one position and three of those five are for two. I've got three for transportation electrification and three for sustainability grant writing. I've got, I think four or five for veterans. I'm not sure which but I don't think that matters.

Four or five for libraries. I've got four for the Los Livos restroom. I have down three for tenant assistance, though not specific on the amount. I only have two for the HR Office Pro Senior. So that was me and Joan, if anybody else... If I didn't get them tell me now.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:59:05

Yep that was on my list.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:59:06

Oh okay so that

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:59:06

would

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:59:07

be

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.923:59:07

three. Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.873:59:08

So that's the reason why I'm doing this. Okay so that's three for the HR Office Pro. The County Council position I have three. And Civic Spark, I think I only have two. Pavement Index, I have four. Warming Centers, I have three. Did I skip libraries? Libraries, I have four. Okay. Case Management and the DA one time, I have one time 172 I have four votes for that one.

Racial justice position and public defenders, I have three votes. And for the DA position parole hearing, I have four. I have very big asterisks For Sheriff Department, and I don't think we have consensus on how to handle that yet. But there's some money left over in the 172. To deal with that. Paul did I get get that? Consistent with what you got

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed4:00:37

supervisor Williams yes he did.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.924:00:40

Well, Chair Williams I just I believe I heard four for IV lighting out of CS 31.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:00:47

Yes yeah

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.924:00:49

thank

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:00:49

you good absolutely Is that good? Do you have what you need? Everybody got what they need. Okay, so we are done with our open session for today. Go

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:01:10

ahead. Just one more, so thank you board members for that, that's helpful. We will work with departments and again what I heard Supervisor Lavinia request was we look at departments vacant positions as well to see if there could be any new positions could be provided through their vacant positions. So we will do that and before we leave Let's see, do you have that Reese? Okay. Before we leave just I want to thank all our departments for all their work in the last several months and getting this together and we have a quick one minute presentation that puts all their quotes together so we can leave on a more positive note. And so go ahead.

Thank you Sarah, my department as well as Kelsey. So thank you.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:04:53

Thank you. I think we just violated our rules of decorum to celebrate the video, but can I get a motion on staff recommendation that's A, B and C? D and E? So moved. Is there a second?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.924:05:12

Second.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:05:12

All those in favor please say aye. Aye. And then we go to general public comment.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:05:20

Chair Williams and members of the board, we have no request to speak on general public comment today.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:05:24

Okay then we will go to closed session. Do you wish to preview closed session?

CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated4:05:30

Thank you Mr. Chair. In closed session today the board has three cases of existing litigation. Murray versus County of Santa Barbara which is a United States District Court Central District of California case. Inmates of Santa Barbara County Jail versus Sheriff which is a Santa Barbara Superior Court case Joyce Studley, Santa Barbara County District Attorney versus County of Santa Barbara a superior court case and we also have anticipated litigation significant exposure to civil litigation one case based on the facts and circumstances listed in the agenda.

And I believe we could make it back by two or maybe a little before

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:06:10

We'll be back here Closed session. Please report on closed session.

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CommentRachel Van Molen CountyProposedself-stated4:56:35

Thank you Mr Chair, members of the board. The board met in closed session on three cases of existing litigation Murray versus County of Santa Barbara inmates at the Santa Barbara County Jail versus Sheriff and Joyce Dudley versus County of Santa Barbara and one case of anticipated litigation significant exposure to civil litigation. One case based on the facts and circumstances in the agenda and the board took no reportable action.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.874:56:59

Thank you. We are adjourned to Tuesday, May 2nd in Santa Barbara.