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Good morning.
I will call to order the June 27th, 2023 meeting of Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Madam Clerk please call the roll.
Roll call, called by Clerk of the Board
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Next item of business is the approval of minutes from the June 6th regular meeting, June 16th budget hearings and the June 20th regular meeting. So moved.
Second.
All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? CEO's report.
No CEO's report this morning Chair.
Madam Clerk are there any announcements or changes to our agenda today?
Chair Williams and members of the board, I do have a few announcements this morning. We posted an addendum to today's agenda on Friday June 23rd amending the closed session agenda as well as withdrawing administrative item number 67 The closed session agenda was amended to add an additional closed session agenda item, conference with legal counsel existing litigation. Paragraph run of subdivision D of government code section 54956.9. This is the County of Santa Barbara v. the Regents of the University of California at all. Additionally, we received a request from the department to withdraw administrative item number 67. Administrative item number 67 is from the Social Services Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding an agreement with Karasoff Technology Corporation for LinkedIn license to access talent and site tools in the Bercuder platform.
Lastly, departmental item number seven has been added to the agenda. Departmental item number seven is sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Capps. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an ordinance to amend County Code Chapter 44 to revise Article 4 Just Cause for Residential Evictions and add Article 5 Mandatory Right of First Refusal and Mandatory Offer of Residential Lease.
This addendum was posted online and made available to the board and the public. Additionally, I do have a brief announcement on administrative item number 40. Administrative item...
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Administrative item number 40 from the Human Resources Department is to consider recommendations regarding a performance-based salary adjustment for County Council. Prior to the Board acting on this item in accordance with Government Code Section 54953 Subdivision C3, County Council's salary information shall be summarized verbally. County Human Resources recommends that the Board of Supervisors approve a 2.5% performance-based salary adjustment for County Council effective July 10th, 2023 based on the performance review of County Council completed by the Board of Supervisors on May 9th, 2023. By adopting this recommendation, the Board of Supervisors will approve an annual salary of approximately $269,116 for County Council.
Lastly, for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda please see page two of our agenda today. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2. If you have any questions please contact the Clerk of the Board's Office at area code 805-568-2240 again that's 805 568 2240 and that concludes my announcements for today
I have a 7 and a 9 pulled by Mr. Nelson is there any other requests to pull any items from the administrative agenda perhaps by the public?
Chair Williams and members of the board yes, the public has pulled A9, A13 and A76 and I believe we had an additional request from a board member for A70. All
right then can I get a motion on the balance of the agenda? So moved. Second. All those in favor please say aye.
Aye. Sorry to interrupt could we also include the withdrawal on our addendum that was a excuse me 67 and can we separately take the action on A40 which was the county council announcement?
Sure, we will take A40 out of that motion if that's okay with the motioner Great, well done.
Second.
All those in favor please say aye.
Aye.
Opposed? The balance of the administrative agenda is approved and then we will take up a let's do a vote on A40.
Agenda Discussionitems moved / continued / pulled, click to expand
Yeah I'll move item A40 Mr. Chair.
Second
There's a motion and a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye Opposed Thank you
And then a set.
Chair Williams and members of the board administrative item number seven is from the Behavioral Wellness Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding an events enterprises Inc fiscal year 2023 through 2024 services agreement for event planning and coordination services.
Yes, thank you, Mr. Nelson.
Thank you, Chair Williams. I pulled this item. Does anybody here from Behavioral Wellness have any chance? All right. I guess I can make my statement without asking some questions.
Chair Williams and members of the board we have behavioral wellness available via Zoom.
Okay, thank you. My question is about this contract it's for over $600,000 for a couple of events that are going to be held next year that are gonna be sponsored by behavioral wellness part of these events are sponsored by the Southern counties regional partnership which is a grant program that our county participates in with a lot of other counties in the area as well as a An equity summit that's going to be held for county employees later this summer.
I just have concerns about the amount of this contract, it's a nearly $630,000, $110,000 of that coming from our MHSA dollars and I think that's gonna feed into my question about 889. It's a lot of money. The contract is for a conference that will happen in July, yet it's a year-long contract with the vendor. There's a lot of expenses in here that I see to be fairly inflated including about $38,000 for two meals so a lot of cost here. I don't feel at this point comfortable with moving forward with the proposal as is but I would happy to hear from everyone on the staff as well.
Yeah,
I just wanted to echo. I had similar concerns just again knowing that we all feel this heavy weight of taxpayer funding money being spent here. I know part of this is coming from state funds but I had concerns about the vendor being not local to run a local conference. I tried to look them up and I would like some more information about I think they're called Events, Inc.
And I couldn't find that online and it just to me it was a big flag that a non-local event company would be planning events here and to me seemed too late cost so thanks for flagging it Supervisor.
Chair Williams, one more question before I get to you for Behavioral Wellness staff was with a contract this large. I was curious on if there is an RFP done for that or if that's something could be considered in the future for event planning? And of course, I agree with Supervisor Capstead local knowledge is actually what you're buying into when you're planning the event so I have that concern as well.
Well let's give them a chance to answer the questions. You can feel free to answer questions about both A7 and A9
Hi, it's Melissa Wilkins. I'm the branch chief for alcohol and drug programs. I am actually here to speak on one of the other items that there are questions about but I know that our director is currently in an audit so she will be jumping onto this as soon as she is available. I took notes of your questions and I can relay those back to her. I am not as familiar with this so I don't want to answer them without conferring with others first.
Chair Williams, can we table that? Yeah. So 7 and 9 until the- Can I get a motion to trail it? I'll make a motion to trail items A7 and A9 till later in the meeting.
I'll second that.
All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Seeing none What was the other item pulled by the public?
Chair Williams and members of the board, the public has pulled A9 which has now been trailed A13 and A76. Let's go to A13. Chair Williams and members of the board administrative item number 13 is from the Behavioral Wellness Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding a future Leaders of America fiscal years 2020 through 2023 services agreement. This is a third amendment and fiscal years 2023 through 2027 Services Agreement.
My apologies. This was item was pulled by the public and so we are going to assume to begin with Gloria Soto to be followed by Daniel Gonzalez, Gloria.
Good morning, County Board of Supervisors. My name is Gloria Soto and I'm the Executive Director for Future Leaders of America. I'm here today to express my gratitude to Behavioral Wellness Santa Barbara County for its continued partnership with FLA. Through the approval of, or through the working of this contract 2023 and 27 that is in front of you. We believe at FLA that this collaboration is vital for addressing substance abuse and preventing drug related issues among the youth in Santa Barbara I fully has consistently demonstrated its commitment to empowering young individuals through leadership development opportunities and by engaging young people in positive and meaningful activities.
And it is crucial that we continue nurturing young people's potential by providing them with the necessary skills and resources to make informed decisions regarding substance abuse and other drugs. to support the overall well-being of our community and county. And so by approving the contract between Behavioral Wellness and FLA, you are not only supporting a trusted and proven organization but also ensuring the long term success of our communities efforts to combat substance abuse amongst young people.
I urge the County Board of Supervisors to continue recognizing the invaluable contributions of FLA and to continue our longstanding partnership. Thank you so much for your attention to this matter, and for considering the contract that is before you. I appreciate your dedication to the well-being of our community, and trust that you will make a decision that serves the best interests of our young people. Thank you so much.
We will now go to Daniel Gonzalez to be followed by Lahurn Tep Daniel.
Hello Board of Supervisors
can you all hear me?
Yes we can please proceed.
Hello Board of Supervisors. My name is Daniel Gonzalez, Director of Organizing and Advocacy with Future Leaders of America. I'm also here to support this action item. We've been working with behavioral wellness for the last two years and feel that it's important you know that we keep advocating for educating the community on On alcohol and other drug prevention.
I know it's a program that's you know really meaningful to our students, you know they see the negative effects of you know drugs and alcohol affecting their peers and they want to continue to do that work to educate and inform the community on this topic and also on life-saving drugs such as Narcan so i do i do want to recommend Approve this item. Thank you.
We will now go to lay her and kept to be followed by Ivan Vega, who is our final speaker? Lay her.
Hello everyone, my name is lay here and I am from future leaders of America. I just am here also to express my strong support for behavioral wellness to continue his partnership with FLA. Through the contract for 2023-2027 in front of you, we believe it's vital importance that we provide education on addressing substance abuse and preventing drug related issues amongst the youth in Santa Barbara.
The impact of FLA has extended far beyond The individual and has worked with like leadership development and educating young folks to make better decisions and become responsible leaders in their community. By approving this contract with behavioral wellness and FLA, you're not only supporting a trusted improving organization but you're also investing in the long term success of our community to combat substance abuse.
So I urge you all to support And we will now go to our final speaker on this item, Ivan Vega.
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Hello everybody, my name is Ivan Vega. I'm also here with Future Leaders of America and I'm here today to strongly support the behavioral wellness to continue its partnership with Future Leaders of America through the approval of the contract for 2023-2027 in front of you. I believe that this contract is vital to addressing substance abuse and preventing drug related issues among the youth in Santa Barbara County.
As we know, substance abuse has been an intergenerational issue and through this partnership FLA is making an impact in educating our youth to make better decisions or better informed decisions when it comes to substance abuse and various drugs. By approving the contract between Behavioral Wellness and FLA you're not only supporting a trusted and proven organization but also Ensuring the long term success of our community and efforts to combat substance abuse.
Thank you for your time.
And that concludes public comment on this item.
I just want to not only thank FLA staff for presenting, but also for the the FLA youth leaders that spoke. You represent your generation well. Can I get a motion?
I wanted to thank FLA for doing this work. It's important for our youth in this community, especially in the Santa Maria Valley we have a lot of issues around substance abuse along with our partners at Good Samaritan and Finding Back Santa Maria Valley on really addressing some of these significant uses that are really impacting our youth Something came up, it's not specific to FLA but as I was going through some of these various contracts we had quite a few contracts and this agenda was when there's federal funding involved with system community-based organizations does that make those organizations subject to the Hatch Act?
And I had a late hit to County Council ask her that question. I don't know if she has an answer right now but maybe something we should look into the future making sure Those requirements with these various organizations that choose to contract with the county. So, I don't know if County Council has any thoughts on it?
Mr. Chair members of the board that's something I can definitely look into. I do think it applies in some circumstances. I'm not sure for these specific contracts but I'd be happy to look at that further.
Thank you. I'd like to move this item. And I also want to thank, she didn't identify herself as such because I know this is the work with FLA as executive director but that was also Santa Maria City Council member Gloria Soto so we appreciate her leadership on this. So I'll move this item.
I'll second. Do you have another comment?
Chair Williams and members of the board, I believe the department has a comment for the board. Melissa?
Sorry, I was just going to respond to the Hatch Act question. We do include that provision in these subcontracts so any of the activities that are being funded through behavioral wellness cannot include political advocacy well they can include certain aspects of education around policy advocacy but no other political activities can be paid for through this particular funding So I did just want to clarify that and that's something that we do look at as part of our annual monitoring process.
Thank you. I have a motion, a second all those in favor please say aye.
Aye.
Opposed? Motion passes A70.
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Chair Williams, I'm sorry is that a 70s?
Well by Supervisor Capps.
Yes, Chair Williams and members of the board A70s from the Social Services Department it is to consider recommendations regarding an agreement with Managed Care Solutions SPC for quality jobs equity strategy and training disaster recovery national dislocated worker grant services.
Supervisor Capps
Thank you. I just want to step back a little bit we've had a lot of this is a huge agenda and a lot of money, and we just passed a massive budget of 1.5 billion. And in just my fresh eyes sort of item after item today was Contracts and consultants, and I've shared my concerns with the CEO of just how much that is in going to outside work rather than our employees. So I'm definitely not singling out our director here by asking some questions here but I just I do see it as a concern of I just know I've been a consultant. I've been around this world and there is inflation of costs and I want to make sure we're being as diligent as possible. So this one caught my eye because of a few things, and I'm hopeful that Mr. Nielsen can address those but first it's about $1 million from federal funding so not out of our general fund to train about 100 people and the consultant is not local raises some questions about how a non-local Firm can help train people to get jobs locally.
And also, that there's high risk around the vendor and that was a section in the contract that is standard but I just want to understand why are we approving some consultant contractor that's high risk so if he can go into that so just in general I'm looking for you know when I'm sitting here approving The justification for why is this not in-house? And in many of these, I didn't see that. And so I'm just asking department heads if they can provide that in the future and I'll be better about asking in advance but I just think it's really important again this is taxpayer funded work. I have no dispute about training people for jobs 100% behind that but if you could please elaborate as to my concerns thank you
Absolutely, Supervisor Capps to the chair. So I'm going to address the why not in-house part first and then I'll turn it over to our Workforce Development Board Executive Director Louise Servine to speak to the use of this particular vendor so the Workforce Development Board has underlying funding to do their core services where they serve adults dislocated workers and youth in the community.
And then they also have About approximately seven additional grants currently that we have just with our Workforce Development Board, and then they're a partner in about five other additional grants with the Regional Planning Unit which were in collaboration with San Luis Obispo County Workforce Development Board. And all of these grants range in longevity anywhere from approximately one to three years.
And so we have assessed over time many, many times how to best get that work done when these grant opportunities come along. And time after time the most economical way, the way that gets allows us to get the grant and to serve the most people is by having vendors that we oversee to provide the services Because it's just not possible to have a core staff based upon that funding.
Sometimes the funding gets extended six months or year, but all these grants are term limited. And so there's an issue of inability to hire a lot of staff. To provide these services from that angle, because if the grant funding goes away and no additional grant funding has appeared that person could work on then they would have to be absorbed back within the Department of Social Services.
And if we didn't have vacancies. That they could be absorbed into that could potentially lead to layoffs. So, that's one issue the second issue is the expertise of staff to be able to do the work and so when we use different vendors contractors to do the work. We're selecting ones that we believe have the expertise to do that sort of work. We have in the Workforce Development Board several years ago and looking at all the totality of grants, I told the former director Ray McDonald that I was comfortable with him having one staff person. That we were counting on consistently being funded by the grants because there was enough that we could anticipate and we knew end dates.
Um, and so we maximize what we can do in terms of that funding. In that regard the other component to the funding issue and the grants is that. If I have a staff person that I hire full time, I have overhead associated with that staff person related to the costs of IT and County Council and HR. And all the other internal county services that get added on to the base salary for that employee. And that's approximately 40% of the salary cost. So if we're applying for a grant And we say to them, well we're going to staff this ourselves. We have our salary cost for that position plus 40%. That usually blows the possibility of getting that grant out of the water in terms of that grantor not being willing to allow that much overhead costs. So that's kind of the general thumbnail sketch of the landscape of why we choose in the Workforce Development Board arena To contract things out and have raised, or excuse me, Luis's staff of approximately nine people play the role of oversight and coordinator and facilitator and that sort of stuff.
But I'll turn it over to Luis to address the decisions that go into and the high risk concern you have.
Sure, well just one question on that. So we have nine people that do workforce development is that?
Play different roles. We have Luis and we have a deputy director and then we have other staff actually I think now we've bumped it up to 11 or 12 because of the Farmworker Resource Center grant so we have three people specifically assigned to their to that grant but there again that's a perfect example that's that's a grant that ends next year The next calendar year, and so we have to be able if funding for that isn't continued by the state or if the board chooses not to fund it at its current level. We have to absorb any of those staff that are no longer funded for that program next year back into the department.
Yeah, I understand that. So thanks for explaining. I just do see this trend and I can dig in more offline with our CEO but we're afraid you know it's like one time funding so we're afraid to fill positions. But then I just see is so much outsourcing of the work and that those costs are very high and I just wonder too. You know work is changing some people are more adept at short term jobs than they might have been even right four years ago. So I want to make sure we're not sort Workforce in a somewhat outmoded way and outsourcing when we could be doing. I mean, any of those nine people do they actually do this kind of work specifically in this
grade? They're doing the monitoring and the work with the programs and the development of new grant opportunities, applying for grants. But I do want to share that several years ago, I had a conversation with the HR director about the need for term limited positions. And we have made progress in that arena in terms of permanent positions for grants because of that recognition that we could potentially if we had a grant for two years, we could potentially find somebody that has the skill set that was willing to take on that job for that period of time.
So it is something that we have on our radar And that we have tried to move forward as a county in terms of having that flexibility to do that. I did want to address the underlying question though, of the cost issue because on this grant So $656,000 of this total grant amount is going to be going directly to the clients in terms of services and job training and supportive services and things like that. I apologize for my eyesight. I'm having a problem with my right eye today. $206,597 is the part of the grant that's going for the actual operation of this for the contractor to do the work and to coordinate all these trainings and that sort of stuff. And so that would be very hard for us to staff this work with our costs being what they are it would be very hard for us to staff it for that dollar amount.
And are these trainings in Santa Barbara County? Are they remote?
No. Yeah, and I'll let Luis address the specifics but yes when we contract with people to do trainings it's for our people here and they have to figure out whether it was a combination of remote or an in-person but it's here.
Okay.
I'll turn it over to Executive Director Sarvee.
Thanks Director Nielsen
Good morning Supervisors. So yeah in regards to the training, there's two elements of the training. The participants have the ability to do work-based learning with a local employer so they could do a paid work experience where we cover 100% of the wages for a limited period of time or they could do an on-the-job training where we cover parts of the wages with our local employer. The other component is for those that want to do vocational training And for those we have to use the state's approved list of trainers. For us locally here a lot of our training providers are actually community colleges, both of our community colleges but we do have an array of different training providers that we utilize.
But yeah, about $660,000 is actually going towards training or what we call supportive services which is funds to help job seekers pay for clothing, interview attire and any other things that they might need while they're participating in the program.
Thank you, and if you could speak to the vendor because again it was flagged that this is a high-risk vendor. That certainly caught my eye not something that you normally say yes let's go with the high risk vendor but if you could speak to this vendor why this vendor when they're making their proposals because I didn't see it in the materials and this is something I would love to see going forward are there successes? Are there metrics of where they've done this Successfully elsewhere, even a narrative of someone who has gone through this program and now is successfully working somewhere. I just the proposals that we get are in my experience thus far on this board don't include sort of metrics of what we're looking for in a successful contract.
Right. So for this particular contract, we are utilizing the adult and dislocated worker contractor managed career solutions. So last year went through an extensive solicitation process. We received multiple proposals and they were the ones that were selected and approved by the Board of Supervisors to provide the services for the adult and the dislocated workers. And also to oversee the America Job Center. So part of that solicitation process was for the Workforce Development Board through a consultant and a series of individuals that we gathered throughout the state, experts that actually reviewed the proposal and managed career solution was a proposal that was recommended to the Workforce Development Board and then brought to the board here for approval.
So there was an extensive process that was conducted last year.
That's good to hear. So that high risk, can you explain that?
Yeah so the high risk is something we do internally. The high risk is dictated on the amount of the contract or the amount of funding that is contracted out. It's also dictated based on The type of contract that this is, and in other elements that take place. In order for us to mitigate this we do have a very robust process when we get invoices from the vendor. So every month when we get the invoice from the vendor they get looked at very closely by our fiscal department before anything gets paid out. This is a cost reimbursement so we don't pay anything unless we see that there's backup sufficient backup documentation for us to pay these for the services that they provided already.
A high risk designation functionally is simply that there's more scrutiny on what they request for reimbursed costs. Exactly
and also on the program side we do a lot of review with make sure that they're providing the right services from our fiscal side making sure that they're providing us with the right adequate backup documentation for us to pay whatever cost they've incurred
Thank you for your patience in my questions. I'm trying to understand better and I would be interested to hear some success stories when you're at that point, and in general, I think that just is a very important point. It sounds as though you have done your due diligence in picking this vendor but I think it's important to reflect some of that in the funding request of metrics how its worked other counties etc because Again, I'm singling this one out not to put you on the spot too much but most of the contracts that I read over the weekend didn't include kind of a for me an essential item would be metrics of success. Thank you.
Thank You Mr. Chair
Well, and I think the contracting out is a real issue. And there will be a moment when the employment environment, the employee pool changes and we will as an institution have more of an opportunity to reverse that trend. And I would, I think that there are some departments that are already reversing that trend which has been the topic of a lot of discussions for this board this year.
Can I get a motion on this item?
And Supervisors, we will be having a department meeting and we'll be reviewing. It's a good reminder. Thank you, Supervisor Capps to all our departments and how we look at our board letters. And there are differences between a consultant and a vendor just to be clear. So there are some differences there. And just I want to be clear with our unions that listen, this is not contracting out work. We have very clear parameters of when that occurs and when we can negotiate with the unions on that. And so just to clarify, this does not meet that definition. Thank you.
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Can I get a motion on this item?
I move to approve.
Second. There is a motion and a second, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? And just for clarity can I get a motion to withdraw A67 because that would-
I'll make the motion to withdraw Item A67. Second.
All those in favor please say aye.
Aye. Opposed?
Motion carries and our last item well our last is A76.
Chair Williams and members of the board, administrative item number 76 is from the Public Works Department. It is to set a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the approval of the exclusive franchise agreement for solid waste collection in Zone 4 and Zone 5. And this is in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th districts. And this is setting a hearing for July 11th, 2023. And we do have seven requests to speak from the public on this item.
And we are going to begin here in Santa Maria with Luis Ramirez, to be followed by Amador Salas. Luis?
Chair Williams and Supervisors my name is Luis Ramirez I'm the Public Education and Outreach Manager at WM dedicated zones four and five. Please just a note
This is a set hearing, so you can only speak to when the hearing date is set. The substantive issues will be handled at that hearing. So just since you're setting the tone for everybody else who speaks it is not germane to the subject of this item to talk about costs or any other items. It's just setting the hearing.
In that case I'll shorten it up. I'm here, I was going to talk a little bit about what we've done but I ask you to consider postponing the public hearing recommended for July 11th 2023 and consider reopening negotiations should be a letter in your hands and I'll pass on to the next speaker yes sir.
We will now go to Amador Salas Solis excuse me to be followed by Susanna Garcia. Amador?
Good morning, supervisors. I'm here today respectfully to ask you for the reconsideration of recommendation regarding the approval of the exclusive franchise agreement for solid waste zones four and five. Excuse me. My name is Amador Solis. My wife and I moved here in 2015 to the County of Santa Barbara. I started my career with Waste Management in 2015 of November I had previously got done playing minor league baseball, had a business with my wife and worked for the Department of Corrections in the state of California.
I was looking for my dream job, and I found it. Waste management gave me the opportunity. I started as a driver. I slowly worked my way up to know the business. I was given the opportunity about 15 months ago to become the route manager. I managed drivers from being here 20, 30 and 40 years. I've worked alongside with them, respect them, and ask you just to consider listening to us and give us a chance.
Thank you for your time.
We will now go to Susanna Garcia to be followed by Stacy Walters. Susanna?
Good morning, Supervisors. I'm here today to respectfully ask for you to reconsider the recommendations regarding the approval of the Exclusive Franchise Agreement for Solid Waste Collection in Zone 4 and Zone 5. My name is Susana Garcia. My husband and I live here in Santa Maria and are both employed by Waste Management. I started my career over 10 years ago in 2013 as a temporary employee on the recycling shoreline, and I was hired full time in 2015 over the last year I've had been given the chance to escalate my career. Today, my title is Lead Scale House Operator but I do so much more assisting my manager with our entire operation. One of the reasons I love working for this company is benefits Waste Management provides. I never had the opportunity to go to college but Waste Management gives my children the opportunity to get a college education at no cost to me and my husband.
For us That is 1 benefit is deeply important as a mother. I want my children to have every opportunity to success, to be successfully and waste management helps provide that. And then when you decide that waste management will not be trash hauler next year, that opportunity for me and my family might also go away. Again, I ask us respectfully for you to reconsider the recommendation regarding the approval of the exclusive franchise agreement. For solid waste collection in zone 4 and zone 5. Thank you for listening
we will now go to Stacey Walters to be followed by Brian Nines Stacey.
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Good morning, Supervisors. I'm here today to respectfully ask for you to reconsider the recommendation regarding the approval of the exclusive franchise agreement for solid waste collection in Zone 4 and Zone 5. My name's Stacy Walters. I'm the district manager for Waste Management Santa Maria operation known as Health Sanitation Service. I first introduced myself to all of you about 13 months ago at the Board of Supervisors meeting last year in May when waste management was awarded our current two-year franchise agreement and if you recall, I informed you then that public speaking was not my strong suit That my strengths and skills were in operations and taking good people and making them realize they're part of a great organization. And to me, part of being a great organization is to support the communities we serve.
In cooperation with the county, we've had a lot of change on our road to greatness over the last 13 months implementing 1383 requirements by going weekly to organics collection in Zone 5 and Lompoc. And most recently universal enrollment to provide recycling and organics collection to our commercial customers. In addition, we had events earlier this year that California has not seen in over a decade. Torrential downpours that caused flooding in the Orchard area.
Our drivers all came to work and provided service to the customers of Santa Barbara County. In addition, we received calls after hours on weekends to assist cleanup efforts from the flooding. WM donated roll-off containers to victims of the flood and our local drivers were more than willing to help out when called upon after normal hours. These are just a few examples I could go on but I wanted to share these to let you know that we are a partner in this community.
Again, I respectfully ask for you to reconsider the recommendation regarding the approval of the exclusive franchise agreement for the solid waste collection in Zone 4 and Zone 5. Thank you for listening.
We will now go to Brian Nines to be followed by Justin Hunsinger. Brian?
Good morning, Chairman Williams, Supervisors of the Board and staff. My name is Brian Nines. I'm a Senior Municipal Contracts Manager for WM. I am here about Item A-76 to ask the board to postpone the hearing recommended for July 11th and reconsider negotiations with WM For decades, the County of Santa Barbara and WM have shared a successful partnership one that has held strong through economic ups and downs through floods and pandemics and through all the new legislation from Sacramento Most recently, we were pleased to support your residents impacted by flooding with roll-off containers. Our team responded quickly to after hours requests for support and that continued for as long as it was needed. This is just one example of how we connect with our customers and our commitment to go above and beyond the contract terms to meet the needs of the county as they happen.
We have a lot of history and the rates seem pretty darn close, in some cases only a nickel between us. With that in mind I'd like to ask you again the board and staff to reconsider the decision to exclude WM from negotiations and postpone the hearing thank you.
We will now go to Justin Hosinger to be followed by Sandra Hurley who is our final speaker. Justin?
Good morning, Chair Williams, Supervisors and staff. I'm Justin Hansinger. I am the Regional Manager overseeing Municipal Contracts for WM. I am here this morning to speak about Item A-76 and respectfully request that you postpone setting the hearing and direct staff to resume negotiations with WM We understand negotiations prior to the RFP was challenging.
WN's position throughout the negotiations showed the consultants demands for rates below market that were unreasonable and unsustainable. We provided a letter yesterday with the table that shows the rates that the consultant demanded compared to the rate submitted as part of the RFP were unsustainable. From my perspective, we're right where we left off in the negotiations The rates and qualifications of the proposers are comparable, and a major transition is unnecessary and a risk and a burden to the residents and the businesses.
Please consider our proven track record as a provider that spans for decades, our community involvement, and overall body of work before conceding an award to another provider. We love the County of Santa Barbara, and we love to be a community member and a partner to the county. Thank you for your time.
We will now go to our final speaker Sondra Perley. Sondra.
Good morning honorable chair members of the board I'm Sandra Pursley here on behalf of WM. I understand that the item is about setting the hearing to consider recommendations of staff toward an agreement and I'm here this morning to urge you to postpone that hearing To allow more time to review the letter that was sent yesterday, review the staff report in detail and hopefully eventually direct staff to reconsider resuming negotiations with WM.
Looking at the staff report it does seem to me and you can't blame us for giving in our best shot having every conversation with you we can prior to Thank you very much. My team mentioned the floods, there's a pandemic, the recycling crisis. We had a lot of retirements on our part even the unexpected passing of a county staff member so a lot of transition, a lot of getting up to speed and resuming conversations have really decades of partnership for really a whole new team with the consultant involved. So it's been a long conversation, it was difficult with hyperinflation and rate structures and really the direction of the consultant. The letter clarifies our position on that we've really kept quiet on the process until now to allow time.
We appreciate the competitive bid process but from my perspective looking at the outcome we're all pretty close someone mentioned a nickel We're able to take it to our own facility in the one zone. But we're all pretty close, I'm guessing on the rest of the evaluation criteria were pretty close and really the process confirmed our point in negotiations that the rate structure was no longer appropriate, the rates weren't sustainable and we're all kind of in the same you know I've had City Council members tell me that they'd rather go through another divorce than go through a solid waste transition. It's a lot of upset for your customers, they're passionate about their carts, a lot of different moving parts, a lot of confusion And I just wanted to talk to you this morning, to make sure that we're making the best decision for constituents.
And I know that you will not based on previous tension from negotiations and really on the reality of the proposals in front of you. So thank you for your time.
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And that concludes public comment on this item.
Mr. Nelson, and I just want to say to the board members that Mr. Sneddon is in attendance if there's any questions for him or Leslie Robinson is on Zoom to also answer
any questions. Thank you Chair Williamson. First of all I just want to thank the speakers So probably the first time they've spoken to a hearing body like this. And so I know how hard that is, but I really understood and appreciate your passion. And I understand what's at stake for many of you is potentially your job and how important that is. And so I want to make sure that doesn't go unnoticed.
The work that's been done by Waste Management over the last 13 months with Stacey and Kim, Justin Sandra also has not gone unnoticed. They've really come to bat for the residents of Orchid especially during the floods. So I wanted to second the amount of success that you guys have had in my community and I want to publicly express my appreciation That said, I do want to confirm with Public Works staff that this is just a set hearing that if the board decides at some point to end the RP process and reenter into negotiations or at least include WM in those negotiations. That's potential outcome of the July meeting. 11th hearing. I do understand also there is a ramp up period if we do move on to another provider so there's also the sensitivity there, so trying to find that sweet spot and I know it's important but is that something that would be potentially on the table for the board on the 11th?
So Supervisor Nelson through the chair yes this this is just a set hearing and we'll be talking about the process that was followed and all those items at the actual hearing
Thank you, and I just want to make a message to the WM employees that are residents of my district in our county that will definitely thoughtfully consider your letter and additional material you provide to us as we embark on that conversation in July. So I'm comfortable with moving forward with this hearing.
Is there other comment? And then motion.
I'll make a motion to move forward with staff recommendations setting the hearing for July 11th where we can hear this item and hear from all sides. There's a motion, is there a second?
Second.
All those in favor please say aye.
Aye.
Opposed? We are now on to A77.
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Chair Williams and members of the board. Administrative item number 77 is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Capps. It is to adopt a resolution celebrating the 85th anniversary of the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara, and joining us in person today we have Virginia Souza if you can please come to the podium and I'll go ahead and read the resolution into the record Whereas the League of Women Voters of the United States was founded in 1920 as a mighty political experiment, six months before women won the right to vote after a 72 year struggle. And whereas the organization's goal was to help the 20 million women who were granted the right to vote understand and carry out their voting responsibilities. And whereas the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara LWVSB was established in 1938 as one of the hundreds of local chapters that comprise the national organization.
And whereas LWVSB is committed to empowering voters and defending democracy, and envisions a democracy where every person has the desire, the right, the knowledge, and the confidence to participate in elections. And whereas the League believes in the power of women in creating a more perfect democracy And whereas LWVSB responds to state and national issues with calls to action on the expansion of voting rights, efforts to save the environment, immigration reform, reproductive and LGBTQ rights, fair redistricting, and adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment. And whereas LWBSB takes policy positions and advocates For issues of local concern after thorough research and consensus, examples include open and ethical government, a correction system with the goal of rehabilitation, increasing affordable housing programs for those experiencing homelessness, adequately funded health care services, and opposition to offshore oil drilling.
And whereas LWVSB holds public community forums to both advocate and educate With recordings available in both English and Spanish. And whereas over the past century, the League has consistently been noted for its nonpartisan election information including sponsorship of candidate forums and information on state and local ballot measures as well as its commitment to register educate and mobilize voters. And whereas the league champions government systems that are open, transparent, inclusive and equitable. Now therefore it is hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors commends and celebrates the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara on its 85th birthday and its goal of making democracy work passed and adopted today.
Thank you so much. I'm honored to accept this award on behalf of the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara. Our leagues work together on many countywide issues, as explained in this wonderful proclamation. The Santa Barbara League is an all-volunteer organization with membership open to everyone 16 and older. We do both advocacy and education. A statement from the National League explains our mission this way, we envision a democracy where every person has the right, the knowledge and the confidence to participate. We believe in the power of women to create a more perfect democracy. Thank you again.
Supervisor Harmon.
I just want to add that there is no organization nationally or locally that can match the efforts of the League of Women Voters in helping us realize the promise. Of our democracy, it really stands alone.
Supervisor caps
I want to personally thank you and the league for the thorough research and policy acumen that you provide the supervisors. I've been incredibly impressed since I started my term of just the level of detail, how straightforward, how respectful, and how seriously you take the job of Of diving into policy, we just received a four or five page letter on housing for later this afternoon. And I just want to say thank you for how you help us research and do a good job in good governance. Thank you.
I want to echo that, particularly on criminal justice reform and mental health issues. The League has really broadened their policy scope here locally and has provided informed advocacy in the effort. Really want to appreciate that. Supervisor
Herman. Just wanted to add one thing a lot of the forums are recorded so they're available you can see them on the website and I know when I was first running for supervisor that was a great place to get an overview on some of these very complex issues, so wanted to give that a plug everybody can be part of that.
Thank you we will go now to Administrative Item number 78
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Chair Williams and members of the board, administrative item number 78 is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. It is to adopt a resolution recognizing Good Samaritan Services staff and partners for their operation of the Freedom Warming Centers during the 2023 winter storms in Santa Barbara County. Joining us in person today we have Sylvia Bernard, Brian Halterman, Anais Diaz, Manny Garcia, and Lisa Garcia.
And I will go ahead and read the resolution into the record. Whereas between December 2022 and March 2023, periods of heavy rainfall caused by multiple atmospheric rivers in Santa Barbara County resulted in floods and emergency evacuations that affected both housed and unhoused residents throughout the county. And whereas with minimal notice the dedicated staff and volunteers of Good Samaritan Services worked tirelessly to activate four county wide freedom warming centers on 58 nights.
And whereas the Freedom Warming Centers provide temporary pop-up shelters for individuals experiencing homelessness during dangerously cold or damp weather conditions, serving as a gateway for accessing recovery housing services and other vital resources. And whereas during the most severe storms in January The Freedom Warming Centers operated continuously for over 72 hours, safeguarding homeless individuals from flooding. And whereas a total of 496 unduplicated individuals were served with an average of over 100 individuals countywide seeking refuge each night And whereas the records maintained by the Freedom Warming Centers indicate that this winter season witnessed an unprecedented activation of consecutive nights. And whereas, the County of Santa Barbara acknowledges and appreciates the importance and value of the Freedom Warming Centers recognizing the outstanding contributions of the Good Samaritan Shelter partner agencies and volunteers.
Now, therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes the tireless and heroic efforts of the Good Samaritan Shelter and its partners. Corner Church of the Nazarene City of Santa Maria Peace Lutheran Church First Presbyterian Church of Santa Barbara Unitarian Society of Santa Barbara, Trinity Episcopal Church, First United Methodist Church, Carpinteria Community Church, Carpinteria Veterans Memorial and Romo & Associates for serving the most vulnerable members of our community throughout the 2022 and 2023 winter season. Passed and adopted today.
Supervisors, I'm Sylvia Bernard and I also wanted to acknowledge Fernando Silva. He snuck in but he came up from Santa Barbara as well. I have to say that without this core team and the leadership of Brian Halterman this project would have never happened. We took over the warming centers a couple years ago and I've lived in Santa Barbara County most of my life and I never wished for rain to stop raining ever except for this season But I just really, it's the work of the staff that we're able to coordinate with the community and be able to be open for those that needed the most. So I'll pass it on to Brian.
Chairman and Board of Supervisors, it is great to stay tonight and stand with this group of people that is behind me because while I played weatherman for six months three months whatever it was. It seemed like it never stopped raining but it came at a perfect time as a post-COVID time came that we were able to then host all of these Unduplicated individuals, the most vulnerable of our society.
And it was the community partners that were listed at the end, the churches, the Vet Center, Santa Maria City that really stepped up to the plate that lets us find a place for these people to get in out of the cold, out of the rain. Find a point of warmth, find some food, find some support for those that are the most vulnerable. And this year I just want to share also we actively pursued some people that were actually with lived experience as some of our staffing and it was such a great time as we hired some of these people especially in South County that Fernando worked with them And I'm glad to see that even some of them became employees of Good Sam that have now continued on. And so it says we look forward to the next year, hopefully not as much rain but maybe so and to do the same again.
So thank you so much for recognizing letting us be part of this community, this county. It's a great thing. Thank you
Yes, thank you Chair Williams. I can't let the opportunity not to publicly thank Brian Halterman go by. A lot of people know my advocacy within the homelessness space and that has been directly grafted from the heart of Brian Halterman. He is a hero to many people in our community and I just really appreciate him so much So I want to make sure that doesn't go unnoticed. One of the other ministries that was not mentioned in that resolution is my commission which he's a senior pastor too as well, that is a huge effort towards helping those most vulnerable in the Lompoc Valley so Brian thank you so much for everything you're doing.
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Supervisor Hartman
Well, I just wanted to add on the point in time count this year. I was out early in the morning it was blustery really cold and encountered a lot of people without even a jacket. I mean it was astonishing and as I understand the work for these warming shelters you have to set it up and then you have to take it out again in the morning there's so much effort involved in that Again, to community partners and to everybody who does that work.
I'm sure that it's certainly saving lives and we're all indebted to you. Thank you so much.
Chair Williams and members of the board, administrative item number 79 is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. It is to adopt a resolution of commendation honoring Senior Deputy Probation Officer David Silva upon his retirement from the probation department after over 26 years of faithful and distinguished service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County. And joining us today as David Silva now go ahead and read the resolution into the record Whereas David Silva was born and raised in Santa Maria, California. He attended Allen Hancock College earning an associate in arts degree in liberal arts and a bachelor of arts degree in political science from California Polytechnical State University San Luis Obispo. And whereas he began his career in the field of probation as an intern with the San Luis Obispo County Probation Department In February 1997, he was hired by the Santa Barbara County Probation Department as a Juvenile Institutions Officer assigned to the Los Prietos Boys Camp.
Promoting to a Senior Juvenile Institutions Officer in August 1999. In 2001, he was promoted to Deputy Probation Officer assigned to Adult Services in Lompoc. In April 2002, he was promoted to Supervising Juvenile Institutions Officer which was reclassified to Senior Deputy Probation Officer in 2007. Senior Deputy Probation Officer Silva was assigned to the Santa Maria Juvenile Court Services Unit, Adult Supervision Unit in Lompoc, the probation report and resource center located in Santa Maria. The Los Prietos Boys Camp and his career concluded at the Juvenile Justice Center, formerly known as the Juvenile Hall. And whereas Senior Deputy Probation Officer David Silva throughout his career built fellowships with partner agencies and community-based organizations and worked with numerous youth and adults many of which have benefited from his passion for effecting change.
Additionally he mentored and trained many officers Positively impacting their professional development. And whereas Senior Deputy Probation Officer Silva is looking forward to spending time with his wife Monda, who also works for the probation department and their children Aiden and Tatiana. His retirement plans include enjoying time with his family traveling with his wife and their dogs and working on home improvement projects. His hobbies include RV camping driving around in his FJ Cruiser and woodworking Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Senior Deputy Probation Officer David Silva for over 26 years of dedicated service to the field of probation, and extend to him best wishes for a fulfilling enjoyable and rewarding retirement.
Passed and adopted today.
Chair Williams, members of the board, Holly Benton, Chief Probation Officer. In his 26-year career with probation, DPO Senior Silva has had numerous assignments but his most recent work has been in our Juvenile Facilities Division. Working with youth in custody requires compassion and dedication and it's an experience those staff who have been fortunate enough to do it always carry with us.
During his time within the Facilities Division he took on a leadership role training and mentoring numerous new juvenile institutions officers His interest in ensuring staff were trained and prepared has been a constant throughout his career. Additionally, he displayed genuine interest in the youth in our care and has provided positive father figure role model mentorship to several young men who did not have this figure in their lives.
As the needs of our youth expanded and creativity was needed, he created Programming for Youth which was implemented at both our JJC and the Boys Camp. He stepped in to assist as an acting supervisor and spearheaded the first parent information forum in the North County. His many years of experience also gave him an extensive knowledge base of facility operations which gained him the guru for operational emergencies. It was always his priority to ensure the youth and the staff were safe.
He is a trusted peer among our staff who was invested in the time and the time and success of youth, and the fellow staff both at work and in their daily lives. And he will be missed in all these roles. The department leadership team congratulates him on his retirement and we wish him the very best.
Please.
Chair Williams, Board of Supervisors. I'm deeply honored to receive this recognition thank you It's been such an honor not only to be born and raised in the County of Santa Barbara but also work for the county for the probation department the amazing work we do for the clients juvenile adult has been such a privilege and very memorable for me I'm also very proud of being able to be a part of the Labor Association, representing our fellow officers.
And I just want to take the opportunity to really thank my mom and dad for being here today. It means a lot to me. My beautiful wife, Monda, she's amazing. My son Aiden, my daughter Tatiana, and really also from the bottom of my heart, my probation family. It's emotional for me. It has been 26 years. It has meant a lot so I just want to say thank you.
Thank you for your service.
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Now's the time for members of the public to speak on items that are not on the agenda. Madam Clerk, are there any requests to speak on general public comment?
Chair Williams and members of the board, would you like to revisit our trailed administrative items A7 and A9 prior to our general public comment? That is correct. We do have you down for general public comment.
If the department is ready now we can do it now. We trailed that we were not specific as to when so it could be any time today.
All righty, we will take up our general public comment and then we will go to our trailed items A7 and A9. Chair Williams and members of the board, we have two requests speak on general public comment and we will begin with George Alvarez to be followed by Katie Smith-Adair who is registered on Zoom and is not available as of yet so if you have requested a speak on general public comment please log in now. We'll now go to George. Okay
thank you We're reaching 247 years of our independence and freedom in this great country of ours, 4th July. I want to remind everyone in this audience watching the importance of who we are. We are in a midst of decline. My God what is going on with this country especially the White House? For law enforcement, this is a bad black eye when it comes with the FBI, CIA. We have the president, it's disgusting.
He's breaking the law in front of us and we don't do crap about it? I'm calling out our congressman from our district to do something about this. Impeach the SOB for what he did to his country to blatantly sell out to the Chinese. I'm not talking out of my ears about fact that the FBI, CIA has been protecting this man and his son. We can't live in a country that disrespects itself.
We are Americans. We believe in our civil liberties. We believe in the right of voting the right people in and if not getting them out But not to be disgraced the way it is with, and don't take this personally. I'm talking fact, the Democratic Party that is in control of this particular problem. If you're a Democrat please respect your country. Vote people that will respect you!
Not their personal agendas. Where have we come to the point where we want to have pedophiles do baby drag parties in schools? No, it's not right. This is not the way America is supposed to be. We have to have self-respect as parents. Look at the people before us that got their accolades for working hard for this country. We have to stand for respect. We have to have self dignity.
I have to browbeat the idiots that are ruling us! I'm not going to take this. I'm 74 years of age, I've respect this. I've been here. I've gotten all accolades from the county state whatnot. I have done a lot of stuff that you've been discussing here opening up shelter and whatnot. I have done my duty as a citizen and I am proud of doing it but I will not tolerate our country, our miserable president should walk out with some self dignity and resign For the blatant things he's done to us.
The laughter that everyone laughs at us and I hope yourselves here go on improve you have self dignity as being American so everybody on the 4th July stand proud for the flag don't disgrace it be proud of it for God's sake and our military Who protects us. My hat's off to you, but also ask the question if you're ever asked by our government that will you take that against us? That for time, sir. Have a good day. OK bye bye.
And that concludes general public comment for today.
We will go back to A7 and A9. Department wish to have a response for us.
Chair Williams and members of the board, if I could just briefly read those back into the record. Departmental item number seven is from the Behavioral Wellness Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding an Events Enterprises Inc. fiscal year 2023 through 2024 services agreement for event planning and coordination services. And A9 is also from the Behavioral Wellness Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding the Mental Health Services Act three-year program An expenditure plan for fiscal years 2023 through 2026.
And I would just like to remind the board that we have two requests to speak from the public on A-9. Why
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don't we first go
to the public and then
we'll go to the department?
Chair Williams and members of the board, We will begin in Santa Barbara with Lynn Gibbs to be followed by Sharon Byrne. Lynn?
Good morning, Chair Williams and supervisors. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today on the MHSA Mental Health Services Act three year plan. I serve as public policy chair of the National Alliance on Mental Illness Santa Barbara County affiliate and I'm speaking on behalf of NAMI. We have a program named Assisted Outpatient Treatment. That's by definition the mandated program that serves those with the most serious mental illness who are likely not to survive safely in the community without AOT.
And our AOT program has a proven success record of bringing an impressive number of treatment resistant individuals into care. It was a program that was voted on a number of years ago by your board, and you voted that we adopt the program. We've had a wait list for as long as I can remember for the program. It's the only program whereby family members can apply on behalf of their loved ones who lack the capacity to recognize their need for treatment, so it's difficult to sit on a wait list waiting to come to the top for your loved one to get attention When the program began as a pilot, it was staffed by two outreach workers in Southern County. And once the pilot ended one of those positions was eliminated and thankfully it was restored last year but we still have considerable wait list.
Each year our NAMI affiliate has advocated for expansion of that program under MHSA when the MHSA draft plan is presented for public comment, but every year we've been unsuccessful. Now, a substantial increase is being projected for the MHSA budget and the Department of Behavioral Wellness is proposing a number of new programs. And we believe some of that funding should go to expanding AOT.
And we're advocating for that. Most other California counties who have AOT programs funded through MHSA, but we've never done that and so we're urging you, we're recommending that the program be expanded. It is an evidence-based program that reduces incarcerations and hospitalizations. And so, it furthers our goal as well of diverting people with serious mental illness from the jail. Thank you.
We will now go to Zoom with Sharon Byrne who is our final speaker on this item. Sharon?
Thank you. I'm serving as a member of the Behavioral Wellness Commission, but today my comments are mine and not in any way reflective of any sort of vote or majority on the Behavioral Wellness Commission. I would like to say that I appreciate the department taking the time to walk us through the MHSA plan. This is a three-year plan it is rather big in scope and scale rather like Lynn Gibbs before me whose comments I completely support My concern is that we are allocating a lot of budget to expenditures that could best be called outreach or advertising to reach very small populations when part of the crisis services such as AOT, such as crisis beds and crisis treatment in the field continue to come in below expectations and below community need.
In my opinion, and I wanted to see more emphasis on those things in the plan what I saw instead was a bit of a rebranding of crisis services that I do not feel meets the community need. Say that I, my feeling is that the state has increasingly made signals that they would like to take ever more of the MHSA money away from counties and allocate at the state level. And I'm beginning to understand why they would feel that way.
Thank you very much.
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And that concludes public comment on this item.
Chair Williams, can I get one more question for the department?
I think you guys have got a lot of questions and I think we need to have the Department speak. The Department please.
Hello good morning Chair Williams and Supervisors Tony Navarro here. I'm sorry for my late entry but we are in the midst of our MHSA review here on site with the DHCS staff and I had a presentation to them earlier Got started a little late. Good morning and I want to thank Lynn Gibbs and Sharon Byrne for their comments this morning. In fact, we actually have expanded AOT in this next budget year.
We actually will be increasing the AOT team by two positions and doubling the team in South County. We are aware that that wait list is growing and remains problematic so Adding teams to outreach and engage. At the same time, as was discussed at the public hearing for the Behavioral Wellness Commission, we are revamping the full service partnership programs in terms of adding an FSP manager to provide more oversight to across the county work with the Be Well Full Service Partnerships as well as our contractors program to evaluate the staffing Provide consistent operation across the county so that all FSPs are operating similarly and really focusing on the flow of moving from AOT into the treatment portion of the program, which are all under FSPs.
So that is all a priority in this year's MHSA three-year plan. As noted by Lynn Gibbs originally AOT was not funded by MHSA But in the last two fiscal years, those programs, the AOT programs have been incorporated into full service partnership budgets under MHSA as AOT is the outreach and engagement portion of the intensive treatment that these most vulnerable and in need populated members need when coming into the B-Well system.
To address Miss Burns comments regarding the funding of new programs in our system. Upon entry into Santa Barbara County when I first came on and hired in our new MHSA manager as we didn't have someone in that role, our first look was to evaluate where the costs were with fiscal and we realized that prevention and early intervention is an area where Santa Barbara had significantly underspent Per regulation, dollars assigned from the state to prevention early intervention are only to be used for prevention and early intervention. The Community Support System bucket of Mental Health Service Act is a separate bucket it is for the treatment intensive treatments such as FSPs beds and AOT type programs those two buckets cannot at this point in time per regulation ever mix in any circumstance And therefore, when we looked at the underspent on the prevention early intervention.
We realized that that was one not only a priority identified by our stakeholders which again is part of the regulation where we focus our energy but we are also if we did not spend this year to add programs to meet the need of our community there was a possible risk of reversion ongoing in the next fiscal year had we not and had we not really focused Making sure that we were meeting our community's needs with prevention and early intervention. So because we had underspent, we had enough funds to create the programs that our community asked us to address including older adults, family members of those adults who are most severely impaired by their disorders as well as some other new programs that you have in front of you in the MHSA plan.
We do agree that the priority is on the most in need in our community We have expanded our FSP funding this year. The flex funds portion, as you will see in your three-year plan has been expanded significantly this year to address housing cost assistance as eligible and required under FSP as needed. We also have expanded the Pathpoint FSP by 24 slots which includes housing for residents there and treatment And that the next three-year plan in each annual update, the commitment is to expand those most intensive services as able by our budget.
Again I hope that answers the questions on the table. I also do want to note Lynn Gibbs comments around the significant increase in the MHSA budget. Yes there's a one time increase this year that is expected for counties And it is one time. So over the next three years, of course we will be prudently spending that on time limited programs but those that do address the need, the most intensive need for our community and again every year MHSA has an annual update where we review and add to programs as able by budget and as needed for our community
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And Supervisor Caput, could you restate what line item you were asking about the meal? The meals line item.
That was Supervisor Nelson, but that was on the earlier item 8A4 I believe. A7 excuse me, but I just so if we want to shift to that, I just wanted to appreciate that a nine was pulled because it is. I don't have take issue with it. I appreciate our speakers or weighing in. I just believed that an item this massive $89 million. It's a huge program. It state funded just deserves some airtime here rather than being The admin agenda. So thank you to Director Navarro for elaborating on that program and to the two speakers that spoke to it, I have the privilege of serving on be well so I've heard the whole presentation a few times but I just thought it deserved more than just a pass through. So on A9 I'm good.
And do you have further questions on A 9 Supervisor Nelson?
Yes Thank You Chair Williams. On A9 specifically I think what Supervisor Kaps is saying that it's so massive. It is probably something deserves really discussion item in the future. You know, it's $89 million and this is not a reflection on Director Navarro's leadership but there is additional scrutiny on these MHSA dollars moving forward. I'm a little concerned because there's been a couple of things that come through that have been MHSA funded.
Like the item in A7, previously bringing up the inflated costs with the suicide prevention contract and so that gives me a little bit concern about some of the expenditures in here it's a lot of money and when you spend that much money you can start to lose Some of the efficiencies if you don't have that scrutiny involved. And that's kind of what I'm after here because there are a lot of needs in this space and I want to make sure that we are sharpening our pencil and making sure we're getting the most out of that. And so, um, I would like to see this come back at least next year because if it's coming back annually, we really should do a deep dive into the MHSA and have that level of scrutiny that I think would be appropriate to make sure we're maximizing Those dollars, I do want to point out that there was a lot of good things in the MHSA plan.
That I liked adding the growing grounds project into their as well as expanding AOT those are great things and so you know it's a little bit of mixed bag for me i'm okay with moving forward this year But in future years, I'm going to be concerned about maybe having that being maybe a discussion item so that we can make sure that we have a little bit more eyes on it. And it gets a little bit more attention so that we know that we're efficiently deploying those dollars.
So I'm okay with A9 this year as an A-item. Probably next year, I'd probably have some concerns if we can't talk about it more because there are some items in there that do need a second look.
Supervisors, if I may just ask Director Navarro since this is a three-year plan would it come back to the board next year?
We have an annual update that comes back to the board next year where we look at all of the programs again. We don't necessarily make significant changes to the plan but we do make changes based on the data, based on utilization and any significant changes in our community that may require us to add programming with additional dollars that may be available to us
And so, you know, ultimately that would be up to Supervisor Lavinino next year. But I would support having that as a D item and if anybody had made that request in advance, I would have put that as a D item. I know it's hard to look at this large of an agenda but we also did have three requests for items from supervisors. So it is a very full agenda and it was hard, would be hard to be packing anything more in.
Supervisor Katz?
Well if we're moving on to a moving back to a seven is that I need
a motion.
Oh sure. I'm happy to move forward. A nine
their motion that is motion sir second there's a second and I will just say that I continue to support you know AOT and believe that we should be having a shorter wait list than that and do what it takes to do that but I also don't think we should be You know sort of flippant about the state taking M.H.A. safe funds because the funds that they are proposing to sweep what are matched by federal sources this is a 20 something million dollar hit potentially for the county and so let's not understate the danger to our mental health to our mentally ill in in our community that could be faced All those in favor, please say aye.
Aye. Opposed?
Let's go to A7. Alright again thank you very much. Please proceed.
I was briefed by my staff that we had questions for A7 and I'm prepared to answer those. So Events Enterprises And this item is referred to as the Southern California Regional Partnership Conferences and the Prevention Early Intervention Equity Summit Conference. Since 2014, BWEL has been the fiscal agent for something known as the Southern California Regional Partnership. It is the 10 southern region counties from San Luis Obispo down to San Diego minus Los Angeles who come together as a coalition To collectively put their statewide wet fund dollars together. There's a group of funds that came from the state just to plan for workforce education and training in counties, the north and the south regions created coalitions and collectively they pooled their money and each year identify projects for spending on those funds.
One of the areas that has always been spent since 20 I think 2012 maybe 2011 in the Southern California Regional Partnership has been for an annual conference where each county sends anywhere from I think a dozen to almost 20 staff who are fully, their lodging is paid. Their travel is paid. Their meals are paid. This is about workforce education training but it's also about staff retention recruitment and retention. And it's really about ensuring that our staff get what they need one to provide them with compassionate care For those that attend the conference, as well as really high level gold standard quality trainings on how to work with some of the most reticent and traumatized populations that we serve each year. This was originally a fiscal sponsor by San Bernardino and transferred to Santa Barbara in 2014.
The regional partnership way back in 2012 identified events enterprises collectively as a coalition The group that they wanted to put together the conferences. Since 2014, they have provided these conferences many of them here in Santa Barbara County. The two conferences identified in this packet will be held here in Santa Barbara at the San Ynez-Bulton Marriott and those costs that are inclusive in there including meals are the costs that are actually included from utilizing that hotel For sponsorship, so the I don't know if that addresses.
That was the one question that I had identified for me to staff. I'm sorry if there are others. I stand ready to answer any questions.
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Supervisor Nelson.
Yes, thank you Chair Williams. My questions were about some of the costs in the contract. I got a little more scrutiny into the numbers. I was trying to get actually a number on the equity summit that's held in July. Do we have an account on the attendees for that?
We don't yet have account. We just sent the first registration went out last week and I'm sorry that I can't get your account as now my Equity Services Manager is actually in the MHSA review meeting as we speak I don't have an updated number but certainly, I can get you those a little later. We are hoping to serve 200, I think is the maximum capacity. Okay
that's helpful because one of my concerns is that it's they have as a one day conference that we're charging to the MHSA $110,000 for that conference on $38,000 alone just on food for 200 people I'll do the quick math. For two meals it's quite expensive, about $190 a person for two meals so these are the added costs that I'm taking a second look at and going hey we need to sharpen our pencil. That's not a good steward of taxpayer dollars even if it is coming from federal dollars and we don't want to lose those dollars or waste them because that's I don't know who's reviewing that contract with it. I'm not comfortable with moving forward that contract again about $630,000 for these conferences and I think that that's greatly inflated the contract itself for the equity summit is a year long contract and a monthly installment Yet the conference happens in July.
So we'll be paying the consultant for another 11 months after the conference is complete. So these are the concerns I'm having on this contract itself. I'm not comfortable with approving it today so if we get to a point, I'd like to have a roll call vote on that.
And you know maybe I just also have a couple questions. Our portion is relatively the same whether or not we're the fiscal receiver, right? Our portion of cost.
Yes,
just a question of whether we're the fiscal receiver. It'll be in Santa Barbara County if we're not the fiscal receiver it may not be in Santa Barbara County is that also yes
right and there have been times when it has not been in Santa Barbara County but we are hosting these in Santa Barbara County on people love coming here
and can I just you know The and then the I guess my last one is. And when does this not need to be wrapped up with a nice little bow by? When do you need to have this approved to be able to begin the planning and so forth?
Well, as the equity summit is happening in July, the Equity Summit is actually already posted and registration is happening. It's happening on July 20th if I remember during BIPOC Mental Health Awareness Month. Again, the cost of the conference as listed will be a pass-through to the events enterprises. Those are passed through to the Santa Ynez-Bulton Marriott. Those conference costs including food and lodging and those types of things are all the Marriotts contract and they will be passed through from us to events who then pays the vendor. That the contract for the vendor of an event enterprises is that $100,000 flat fee for the three conferences in 2324.
To be paid in installments.
Any other questions from the board?
I just would like to clarify the $110,000 is paid for the one time for the One Day Summit is exclusively Santa Barbara County funds for Santa Barbara County employees. So I just want to make sure. Santa Barbara County
employees and CBO's and
partners it's
open to the public.
Just want to make sure I differentiate this isn't the Southern California partnership it's a significant amount for a one day As I mentioned before it works out to about if we are fully maxed out on this will be spending one hundred ninety dollars per person on just the meals themselves. You know there's also the room rentals in there as well as other expenses again it's inflated as far as I'm concerned and I'm not going support it.
It's to the board comment motion. Mr. Abney,
well this puts us in a pretty tough spot because you've raised some excellent concerns but I wish this would have come to us a couple of months ago so that we could have made a different I mean we could have gotten into the meat and potatoes of it a little bit more because at this point with the The event being next month, you know anything you do at this point is going to cost you the same or more.
I believe so with your understand your position and hopefully when items come like this before us it gives us time to at least If we do decide that we've got concerns, then we do have other options. At this point I don't really feel like we have another significant decent option so I think for me the lesser of the two evils at this point is to move forward and approve.
I second.
There is a motion and a second. Roll call please.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–1 motion and a second. Roll call
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Motion passes 4 to 1
and I used to think I wanted to bring some conferences to town and now I'm questioning whether I ever should.
All right
thank you all for your comments and I definitely will moving forward we'll consider these in and take your recommendations and Bring these as quickly as possible forward.
OK, let's get move on to D1.
Chair Williams and members of the board departmental item number one is from the treasurer tax collector public administrator. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the housing authority of the County of Santa Barbara issuance of tax exempt multifamily housing revenue obligations for the benefit of Patterson Point Apartments.
So any questions from board? Seeing none, is there a
motion?
Actually I'll have comments and I have a question. This project the next project you know I actually moved them forward from I was the alternate on the debt advisory committee and I move this forward for the TEFRA hearing today. I understand that the TEFRA hearing is just a hearing for the public to be able to speak on this item and potentially Bring forward objections or issues as a way to publicly air this debt financing that will be done. It's not necessarily an approval of the project.
But I do want to take this chance to publicly express my concern about this project and some of these other projects that are coming forward. They're very expensive projects for very small units. I know the work that Housing Authority and Mr Thompson are doing is good work, but it's very expensive work. I have a lot of heartburn on spending the dollars that we do. I believe this is about half million dollars for studio apartments and I know things are expensive, but I do think this is something that taxpayers aren't probably getting their money's worth here. I think these could be done for less expensive costs in the future.
Just as much as it pains me to move forward this type of stuff. I know the need for these units and so I'm not going to stand in the way of that today, but I do want to publicly say for those affordable housing developers that you guys need to do better. These costs are way expensive. I know there's things like prevailing wage and all that kind of stuff But all labor costs are high and there's construction being is being done at a much more reasonable cost per square foot. These are often two or three times what the current market is even within this high level of cost in Santa Barbara County to develop projects. I know land costs are high and Mr. Thompson, I have gone over and over with these things many times but I do want to just really Get that out there for those are looking to be in the space that I think that we can do better and we should do better.
And not only because when you be stewards of taxpayer dollars but then we can do more right. I mean that's the goal is to do more of these projects and when they're so expensive it limits our opportunities to do that in the future. So I just wanted to get that out. That applies to D1 and D2 so I don't need to say this speech again but that's a crime I'm on it. But I will ultimately vote to approve this.
Supervisor
Caput.
Thank you, just a comment that I the nature of this mission is incredible. Just to read about who these 11 studios for mentally disabled households for chronically homeless with high frequency medical systems so it just was a delight to hear that this is in the works and happening one of which in District 2. I just want to confirm that these will go towards our arena numbers even though it's a low number but I imagine that it helps move us forward. Is that correct?
Yes, it will. You get to count them in the reading numbers when the building permits are issued.
Thank you Mr. Thompson.
Thank you Mr. Chair and I mean Mr. Hagan's been sitting here for an hour and a half. I know he always has his 30 second speech he likes to give about the fact that we I think the public needs to hear this. We're not on the hook for these Correct. So if you want to give
that. I was hoping to do a presentation without opening my mouth first but you're absolutely correct the county has no responsibility either legal or moral for the repayment of this debt. This is a temporary hearing that is allowed through the Internal Revenue Code IRS code section 140 143 F I believe it is That allows non-profits access to the municipal markets.
This issue is not to exceed $9.5 million for the benefit of Patterson Point and the Housing Authority is the issuer, I believe it's a private placement? Yes, it is
private placement. Thank you and then just an off topic question. Is the housing authority also Do you have to follow the same requirements of Chapter 44? The landlord. Requirements.
It's kind of outside my
area. Yeah, that's why I hesitated to ask but I
mean some state legislation yes other state legislation no county I'm not sure
OK thank you. I'll move item 1.
Second.
Mr. Chair, just for the record since it's a public hearing just we can confirm
is there any request to speak?
Chair Williams and members of the board we had no requests to speak on departmental item number one
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Thank you We have a motion in the second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Let's do departmental item number two
Chair Williams and members of the board, departmental item number two is from the treasurer tax collector public administrator. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the housing authority of the County of Santa Barbara issuance of tax-exempt multifamily housing revenue obligations for the benefit of Perkins Place Apartments.
So just rewind Mr. Hagan's statement and replay it in your mind? And Supervisor Nelson, is there any other comments questions? Mr. Nelson.
Just a quick comment. This is a project actually in your district when the first district up in the new Puyallup. I got to hear the presentation at the debt advisory committee and I just really appreciate Mr Thompson's diligence of making sure that just because it's newcomer that didn't make any shortcuts. It's still great project that's really conforms to the needs of the community. There will also be a couple of commercial Opportunities here as well. So it's obviously a big deal for Koyama, so it's a really exciting project for the new community and so I will make the motion on this one And I
will say that there that mr. Thompson has done a number of community meetings a huge amount of outreach It's been a discussion of door-to-door conversations it's been and It's important for folks to realize that even though I'm. More stress the importance of housing in the south. That's because it is in job centers and Kuyama is a job center. And so Kuyama continues to have a large amount of its workforce that commutes in every day, which a lot of people outside of Kuyama are shocked to find out but that is really the truth of it.
And so it has a real housing need and it's difficult to obtain housing in Koyama even though the prices look attractive, it's difficult to find housing stock. And so Mr. Thompson is addressing a real need for the community and this project will have real benefits and also be the first publicly available electric charging stations thanks to your decision at SBK.
Is there any request to speak on this item?
Chair Williams and members of the board we have no requests to speak on departmental item number two.
There's a motion in a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed?
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We're going to departmental item number three
Chair Williams and members of the board, departmental item number three is from the County Executive Office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an extra help services and retirement waiver for the county executive office.
Let me start again. Good morning, Chair Williams and members of the board. This item is to approve an extra help service and retirement waiver for retired ACO Terri Mosnick. She was with the CEO's office for more than 17 years and has extensive knowledge in health and human services departments and in particular homeless projects. We have a critical need for her services related to homeless transitional housing and homeless projects. She has been volunteering her time over the past 90 days that she's been separated from the county on these various projects, but there is a bit more to do.
This is a limited term duration request for six months to a year and not to exceed 960 hours. And we are able to absorb it within our budget in the next fiscal year. With that I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
I'd be happy to move this item as she is one of my most invaluable partners on project across the street. Oh yeah. Is
there a public comment?
Chair Williams and members of the board we have no request to speak.
Second comment on the Mr. Nelson Yeah you know I've been very publicly against these in the past and I would prefer to see these in the future come forward as maybe independent contractor opportunities instead of rehires that would be my preference so that we're not Showing this appearance of just on this revolving door. But at the same time and in good conscience there's no way I could vote against Terri Mocenich so I will just be abstaining on this one at this time but I really appreciate everything that Terri has done she is really a true public servant and her value is really beyond what we can pay her frankly thank you.
Supervisor
Kaps.
Just to add I want to add how much I've seen in action how much you've been volunteering for the past few months. And so I just thought that it only makes me as enthusiastic supporter of this motion.
We have motion second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed abstentions. Let's go
on to D4.
Let's go on to D4, you guys are going to thank me later. Take a break after D4.
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Chair Williams and members of the board departmental item number four is from the clerk recorder assessor elections department it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding local ballot measure supporters opponents printing
Good morning, this is Joe Holland County Clerk Recorder Assessor. Can you hear me?
We can.
Okay I'm sorry my camera's not working for some reason but in the audience there we have Michael Daly Chief Deputy Registrar of Voters and his assistant Andrea Luperello and they'll be presenting this departmental item
Good morning Chair Williams, members of the board. I'm happy to present this item that was addressed June 6th and brought today to you as a departmental item. You've had a chance to review our revised board letter and our slides. There were some concerns brought up on June 6th that I would like to address with you today, and please stop me at any point if you're, if you've had enough or have questions.
So getting right to it, on the first slide just going over those top three concerns that we heard on the sixth was Having to do with transparency. The second having to do with costs and the last was about whether this is an opt in or opt out so we'll go over those three topics. So first about transparency you know it's really important I think one of the biggest things to keep top of mind here is that This information is already available in the voter information guide.
All of the argument itself, all of the supporters that sign on those arguments yes or no are listed in the voter information guide and we although some counties don't even list the signers we have been listing signers for as long as we can remember in our voter information guide so that information is already readily available it's mailed out to voters it's available on the website Essentially this is to put it on the ballot is to list redundant information.
But I'll get into a little more about how not only just the real estate on the ballot being important, that's also a really important thing to keep in mind but also just the confusion that it is likely to cause voters Not just with the information itself but the potential, very likely potential that this will push ballots to multi-cards. So I'll highlight that a bit. We'll go to the next slide.
So i did include in here you know an example just from one of our most recent primaries since we have a primary coming up in March. That's the first election that we would experience this new Whammy so to speak of having to you know. Have to do this for the first time. So I wanted to highlight to you the voter information guide and what it looks like. I know it's small and there is a link that is a link to.
The actual VIG which I think we can we can pass by but please take a look at our voter information guides in the past all the information is there. And you can see it's even I think my opinion is better listed because it has not just the signers, it's not limited to 125 characters. It's not on the ballot where you're making the vote which is arguably a sacred piece of paper that shouldn't have too much information on it.
This information is here and it's presented clearly along with the argument, the full argument for voters to read and understand. So moving to next slide. So the next is really, cost is really important to think about. Like I said this would we have to do this for state measures it's mandated but this opt-out has to do with local measures and again it will get to the opt in versus opt out. It is an opt out that's what 9170D in this bill said that section allows. I think it's there for a reason.
It will assuredly add costs and to the tune of doubling what we currently spend on administering elections. So just to give you some figures, although they were very hard to estimate and come by I would like to just highlight some of that for you now in the 2020 general election we had about 970 boxes with 183 thousand ballots two cards would push that to eighteen hundred fifty boxes and three hundred sixty five thousand ballot cards We don't have space right now for that. So should you not opt out of this, we will be coming to you again likely for budget adjustments.
So on average, we're dealing with a lot of boxes and ballots already. This will exacerbate that. Some other figures I think came up at June 6th hearing had to do with the amount of measures The state may say or try to limit the amount of measures they put on the ballot, but they don't necessarily have control over all that. There are citizen measures that can come forward and certainly local jurisdictions can bring measures without any control by anybody.
Just to give you some figures about how many propositions have come in the most recent elections. We had seven in 2022, 12 and 2020 these are generals elections. Seven in 2022, 12 in 2020, 12 in 2018 and 17 in 2016 so to have to list just think about the real estate on the ballot listing this information on those ballots there's no doubt we'll go to multi-cards It won't just be a lengthier ballot, it will be multiple ballots.
That is going to cause issues with voters. It'll make the process lengthier. It'll make reconciliation difficult. We've seen in other counties that have multi-cards already. Voters will only return not all voters but some voters will only return one of the cards and even if they go and get their other card and try to return it later They can't cast it, it's too late. Once you cast, you're done.
And when we have any measures that might cross county lines, it's just going to cause confusion especially if we have... We're not an opt-out county and another county is not on the same page. You'll have measures that have this information and some measures that might not. I think it's really important to keep in mind the intangible costs. It's not just the fiscal impact, like I was just saying reconciliation, the confusion to the voter is something to keep in mind about the process in general and what this does to the ballot and what it does to the voter.
Next slide. To highlight another concern was about whether this is an opt-in or an opt-out. Through the Chair, Ms. Hartman you brought this up at the previous meeting it is an opt out do you have the ability to reverse your decision today should you opt out yes you could always bring this back and say well we'd like to rescind our action on this Vice versa, if you choose not to opt out today this will likely come back to your board in the coming year after the primary. And we will show you the impact it's had and we will likely request the opt-out again.
So it's up in the air obviously here today for your decision But from the elections office registrar voters we. We recommend opting out of listing this information on the ballot for the reasons stated. Thank
you, thank you for the presentation so. Is this did you have to bring this to the Board of Supervisors or can the elections official make this determination?
Yes, we did have to bring this. I'm sorry, Mr. Avanillo through the chair. We didn't have to bring it to the board. It's stated in the code section that it is coming on the board approved 30 days prior to got it. Supervisor Hartman
So you already have to do this for state measures. Do you anticipate that that will already lead you to multiple ballots
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It's it's likely very well could however we're trying to. Keep a single ballot. The state measures will make the current single ballot lengthier. We've had lengthy ballots in the past, but we all agree in the Red Shirt Voter's Office that a lengthier ballot is better than multiple cards and we think we can still have a single ballot with the state measures. Local measures it's beyond a doubt it'll push it beyond a single ballot
And if I remember when I get my voting materials, I get the explanation booklet sometime before the ballot is actually and that allows you know the two to get disconnected. Is there a reason for that? Is there a reason why you don't mail the two together?
Ms. Hartman through Chair, that is a good question. Is there a reason we don't mail them together I'm not sure there is a reason we don't mail them together other than the timelines for mailing them are distinct and different.
So it's decreed from the
state? The countdown deadline to when we have to mail the guide versus when we mail the ballot, and I think it's structured in a sense to send the guide first so that a voter can read study up understand what's coming have a sample So I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions. It's also good to remember, too, that you can bring that into the polling place. Should you choose to vote in a polling booth at a polling place on Election Day?
You can take that with you. You can have it in the polling booth.
Right. Well, it's decreed, but if I had my druthers, the two would be coupled and it would be easier this way. This is a tough one for me.
Supervisor Caps.
Thank you just had a couple questions first do you have a sense of the proportion of state ballot measures which I think are a lot more and quantity versus local like just a general is it three to one
Ms. Capsu, the chair if you don't mind I'll just consult Andrea Luperal really quickly and while you're at
it just the average number of ballots ballot local ballot measures per ballot because some you obviously have a different ballot for Santa Maria than Santa Barbara On a primary election, and if you wanted to be precise and put it at an even number year that's fine. But in a primary election how many ballot measures on local ballot measures on average are there per ballot?
Chair Williams and Ms. Capswell just half a minute.
Supervisors while he's looking at that I am looking at the Secretary of State's guidelines and they do require that the counties actually get out the voter county voter information guide at least for the primary March January 25th to February 24th. And no later than February 5th begin mailing the registered voter a vote by mail ballot Yeah, it's a supervisor Nelson does look like they do come together and we could just talk to Michael again. It says county election offices will mail the county voter information guide during this period and they say January 25th to February 24th 2024 and no later than February 5th 2024 County elections officials shall begin mailing each registered voter a vote by mail ballot.
So this is Joe Holland. Chairman Williams, members of the board. So what Mona just told you there is correct. So we mailed the ballots out 29 days before the election and the voter information guide, we have a wide latitude within which to mail that. We can actually mail the voter information guide after we mail the vote by mail ballots out but of course The prudent thing to do is try and get the voter information guide out slightly before we deliver the ballot so that the voters have that in their hands.
The law does allow us if we really wanted to, to have the voter information guide out after the ballots. But we don't do that and we do have two different vendors. We have a vendor for printing the ballots and we have a vendor for printing the voter information guide. And it takes a lot of work to get both those out and a lot of it just depends on You know how much proofing we have to do etc. The so we will try and get the voter information got voter information guide out before we issue the vote by mail ballots in every case but sometimes it just doesn't work that way
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Okay, thank you
Chair Williams and to address your question about. The amount of measures and versus the state measure, the locals were safe. So there's a difference between primary in general. I don't think we don't think that the primary is a really great indicator of the full scope that measures you know the large amount of measures that can come they tend to come more on a general election ballot however even in a even in a primary It varies, but to address the general I think is more important. We will see a variance but somewhere in a range between average 10 to 14 measures total and we'll usually see about four local measures on top of state measures Again, that varies but regardless even if we have a low count of state measures you'll see about three to four local measures on top of that.
It's it is hard to know it's a it varies from election to election and it can it can be more it could be less it's it's a range yeah. Three to four
local measures on one ballot or three or four local measures throughout the county?
Throughout the county on any given ballot type that is issued throughout the county.
And my second question is, if we as you're proposing opt out of the county are we or other counties doing this I'm just curious as to why we would say that this state law doesn't work for us.
Ms. Capps through the chair yes that's a very good question. There so far have been about eight counties that have taken this to their boards and all have opted out. The remaining counties, which there are still many, we have 58 right? So the remaining counties are either addressing it or about to bring it to their board or not addressing it which we're not sure what they're waiting for but we wanted to get on top of this And bring it so.
Yes, other counties have addressed this and all that have with their boards. All boards have opted out and mostly unanimously.
My third and final question is just about this sort of need to make sure that people don't think our ballots are too long. Do we have data to support that I? I understand data. 80% of voters want want to know Who is paying for or who is supporting financially these ballot measures? Do we have the opposite that we have, do we know in Santa Barbara County has that been an issue with voter turnout that people complain are I didn't vote because the ballots too long. Do we have any sort of metrics that would support us taking this step?
Supervisor caps through the chair. I'm not this Joe Holland again, I've not heard any complaints whatsoever about the length of the ballot. So it's really not been much of an issue I can. Tell you that I'm not aware of any county so far that has opted in on this. Every county that's brought it to their boards and I'm aware of. Has chosen to opt out of it, and I think 1 of the critical issues is we will.
Be passing these costs and these costs may be significant. We will be passing them on to the cities and special districts that bring these measures, and if they force us to multiple ballots that could be expensive And you know we The elections office, while we have a responsibility to bring this to your board. We don't really have a horse in this race I mean it's up to your board will do whatever it is but we will be passing on those costs to the cities and special districts and we will try to pass on the cost of that the state is putting on us for having us lengthen The measures and putting on the proponents and opponents.
To the degree that that increases our costs we're going to try and build a state for that too.
Is it still questions or folks ready to move on to comments? I've
got a couple of questions still.
Okay, Mr. Nelson?
Yes thank you Chair Williams. So if there's no opponent or supporter what is it going to say on there? Is it going to say opponents none or is it going to be left off how does that work?
Mr. Nelson, that's a good question. I imagine there would be nothing it would. It's currently in the voter information guide if they're on is that if there isn't an argument or against there's a statement that says something to the effect of your
example had it? I think
it might say non submitted or. Oh, in fact, it's in the yeah, I'm sorry, it' in the it's in the code section of AB 1416. It shall be stated non submitted
And then sometimes it's individuals that are the supporters or the opponents. So would there so an individual's name might actually show up on somebody's ballot potentially? So let's say you know Bob Nelson and Doss Williams are supporters, so that would actually say Measure A supporters. It's not funded actually. It's just supporters, right? Because that's the clarification I want to get to. This isn't showing who funded that initiative. It's just showing who shows up as on the ballot pamphlet as the one that submitted the supporter or the opponent piece.
Mr. Nelson through the chair yes it is the signers of their position. It can be a person it can be in an agency
And then so I've done a bunch of these in the past. So supporters and there's rebuttal supporters so that can be up to 10 I believe. So how do you how do you reconcile that? How do you prioritize that?
That is one of the questions that we have. We're going to have to make those judgments and it puts us in a difficult position. There is a character limit and we'll have to cut it off at some point.
And so I do want to just confirm for the record. It's there's no tie to the financial contribution to that initiative with those those on there because I think that there is an assumption of what's going on out there but these are just groups that signed on and there's a prioritization. I think the Board of Supervisors gets the top priority when it comes to being a supporter of an initiative and then it goes down getting some ranking.
And I know this legislation has some different controls on there so it's not manipulated. And I really appreciate that although they still can be manipulated, I've kind of looked at them and there's a process to do that. Any system can be gamed and in this one will be too. So it goes through that process is how I understand it?
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The term chicanery has come up. Yes, it can be gamed just like anything and that is one of our concerns. It's also a concern because Directly because we like like I mentioned before, we are having to work with. All of those supporters and opponents just like we do candidates to make sure there's no misunderstandings what's going on the ballot is or what would go on the ballot is.
Is what should be and that's a point we've made in the board letter. The politicization of the ballot that this causes is cause for concern.
Supervisor Nelson through the chair, this is Joe Holland again so there you're correct supervisor Nelson. There is a code section that does provide some direction on the order or Or who you're gonna list as the proponents and opponents. And that really falls on me, as a county elections official. I make that determination following the code section. But when you have to select out of a limited number of people, you're always gonna have somebody that's not happy.
And so when you're limited to 125 characters on the ballot And if you read the legislation, they talk about commas and semicolons. How are you going to list it? That is one of the problems with this is that there could be potential litigation and that potential litigation Could delay the printing of the ballots because someone doesn't like the fact that I left them off the ballot as one of the opponents or proponents. So it provides a lot of confusion and so if you think of the state measures we're getting the state measures in this state will give us Their proponents and opponents, so we don't have any issue with that. It's going to be what it's going to be.
But when you get down to local measures I mean some of you have been involved with this. You've wrote arguments for and against and you know what it entails. And so now we're asking local county staff To go through and make these determinations, and at the end of the day. I'm the 1 who makes the decision we have to proofread all that. And someone's not going to be happy because they didn't get their name on the ballot or we had to truncate it. Or shortened a list of the agency. Or shortened the name of the agency.
It's very problematic and these issues do come up, and these issues will come up. And they do cost money.
Thank you Mr. Holland so thank you Michael for the answers to those questions. I'll definitely have some comments when we're ready for deliberations.
More questions?
Yeah, I still had a question. I'm puzzled my understanding is that there is a drop off as you go down the ballot. I mean people will vote for the highest and they get to the judges who they don't know when they get to other things and they leave it so what I heard you say is that The ballots are short enough and there isn't that, at least that's what I interpreted it. And that doesn't square and it doesn't square with your argument that as the ballot gets longer people will get fatigued and lose a second ballot and that we may not be accomplishing what the desired goal is.
Yeah, I think what Mr. Holland said was he hasn't heard people saying that that's why they're not voting but I think we all know when you look at the ballot and it's extremely long that the practice is that people just blow off the rest of the ballot yeah if we're gonna redefine the ballot and talk about why it's long or why it's not long getting the judges off to the ballot I mean, there's like 40 of them and people come. You know, I'm sure they do this for all of you that are elected. People want to know, hey what do you think? And I'm like, I don't, you know... That seems kind of like a waste of time but yeah, okay personally I think I don't know how much value, and I believe in transparency but I'm not really sure how much value we're gaining by listing these supporters because of the fact that a lot of times too.
We all know this you look at a name of an organization and it sounds great And then when you go look at it, you're like well I can't believe that person's part of that organization because it does exactly the opposite of what the organization title says. So um I'm comfortable with uh it still just being listed in the um in the prior pamphlet that comes out and the more that we could shorten those two together I think that's also a key that I generally lose my What's it called the voter information guide before the ballot shows up. So I have to make a notes on the phone to make sure I know who I'm voting for. So yeah, so I'm I'm hesitantly OK with opting out
and just check if there is request from for public comment.
Chair Williams and members of the board we have no requests to speak on this item.
Mr. Nelson?
Yes, thank you Chair Williams. I share some of the Supervisors' concerns and I think there might be that compromise there is if we can get commitment from the elections official to try to marry those things that maybe we give them a chance to get those within a couple days of each other this year Maybe try it out in the primary. If that is actually successful then you know we stayed opt-out but if they, if you guys aren't able to do that then maybe we as a board look at potentially opting back in so that we can get that information as maybe a compromise to try to walk our ways through this process. I understand what the legislature was trying to do Trying to provide additional information for voters so that they will go all the way down the ballot instead of losing track.
I think this is actually a way to entice people to be engaged but I do think there are some other unintended consequences, cost being one of them, polarization and gaming the system being the other and so I'm comfortable with opting out at this time but to continue kind of have it on the watch list for this board moving forward.
Supervisor Caput?
Thank you. It's it's fairly clear cut for me that we should not opt out. We haven't tried it to me, it seems as though we're raising a lot of legitimate concerns but they are just theoretical at this point. The topic of gaming is relevant because the reason for this statewide law is because people do game propositions. We know that they call them things that they aren't, so if you have your ballot and you see something that's completely named the opposite but is funded by or is supported by people who believe differently then you can make a real decision. So I definitely err on the side of let's try something Empowering voters. It's literally one hundred twenty five characters most of the we're doing bigger ballots anyway because the state law so to me this seems the flags and the concerns and the extra costs are minor compared to transparency and empowering voters.
Thanks.
I think it's a difficult call but I think when in doubt we should be erring on the side of transparency Particularly because it's the primary first. We should be looking at the impact when it's a small. Smaller ballot before we make make the call so I would actually argue for the converse of your suggestion Mr. Nelson which is to turn down opting out at this time but look at it after their primary.
I would be surprised if there's more than Half a measure per jurisdiction on the primary ballot. So it's kind of putting a toe in the water. I agree with your analysis that there's potentially more impact in the general, seems like that's where your concern is anyway and if that is true then all the more reason we should keep it for not opt out for the primary and assess what its impact is before the general.
So let me ask the question about that. So what would be the metrics that we would use to decide whether we wanted opt out in the general or not? What are we hoping to learn?
Whether or not an additional ballot measure, measure or two or three would push an additional page on the ballot I do think that, you know, that's a good metric to be looking at. And it's good that you're already looking at that because it's the question whether it's two pages or three pages. I mean, that's not inconceivable with the amount that the legislature is considering at this point.
And I also think that Doing this should be part of encouraging our legislative delegation to be choosy about what things they put on the ballot. If they really want this to work, they would want voters to actually get to the local measures and they won't even get to the local measures if they have 30
statewide initiatives on the ballot. Supervisor
Hartman?
This is a tough one for me, especially because my good friend and Assemblymember Bennett sponsored this legislation. But I'm thinking that we should opt out even if it were successful in the primary, we would have to make a decision for the general. Not everybody is into all of this as we are, and I think we need to make it as easy as we can for people to vote and understand what they're voting on. And for a lot of people who don't read all day long these long reports that we do, that can be very intimidating, all that small print. So I would like to see again the guide go as close to the ballot as possible and maybe something big flashing on the guide You know, if you want to know maybe some of the language but if you want to know the proponents, the opponents, the arguments please pay attention.
So that the two are coupled and increasingly people are voting at home so they will have the guide it's easier to do. As people, everybody's busy. This isn't their highest priority like it is ours and bringing the guy to the voting in person I mean that any little thing that makes it more complicated for many people creates a barrier so I'm more interested in people getting to the end of the ballot than crowding the ballots I hate to be the decider on this but that's how my thinking goes.
Supervisors if I may, this may also influence your decision and that is I just asked Mr. Daly would he need to come back to the board for an appropriation which would require four votes? And he said it cost probably a minimum about two hundred thousand dollars for the March primary that's their estimate right now We would obviously look to see if the department could absorb those costs, but they may not be able to which require in this fiscal year. So for the primary potential appropriation which requires four votes.
Ms. Miyasato if I may just to clarify that figure that is simply for equipment that has no estimation of staff time at all it's just equipment Supervisor Caps.
Mr. Chair, I know we need to move on but I do have a question because if we are relying on this voter guide I need something clarified because as a candidate which we've all been I'm not sure people realize that if you don't pay to be part of the guide then you're not so I just wanted to know If that applies to ballot measures proposition. So if the sponsor of a ballot measure decides not to pay for the voter guide, would therefore there be no information and something that sounds really great being on a ballot without any information for voters?
Just to clarify that you're still in the voter guide. You don't get your statement
exactly with this information
right
yes
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Ms. CalPERS,
so it is it's incorporated in the cost of running election there's no separate fee to folks that bring forward those measures.
The fees are just for candidates to have their statement in the ballot in the voter guide?
Correct.
But anybody bringing forth a proposition That's that they don't pay for an extra fee. They information will be included,
correct? Supervisor caps through the chair the when a city or local jurisdiction puts a measure on the ballot. They paid we charge them for that and so their cost of having their arguments and proponents and opponents in the voter information guide that cost is passed on to that local jurisdiction. And it's not like a candidate statement that I think you're referring to where a candidate can choose.
To have a statement and pay for it or not.
Just to be real clear, no matter what this information will be in the voter guide
correct? Our goal is always to have the voter information guide go out shortly before we send out the ballots 29 days before the election. The one time we made the exception to that was during the pandemic, we actually sent the ballots out earlier And we got a little bit of flack for that, but we felt that because it was during the pandemic and it was important to get those ballots out. And that was the first election where we were 100% vote by mail.
But let me assure you, it's always our goal to get the voter information guide out. Actually I think it's optimal to have the voter information guide out a few days before The ballots go out and the ballots go out 29 days before the election. So, 29 days is a Monday we like to get the voter information guide out by Thursday or Friday so people have a weekend I'm sure that most voters spend their weekend reading the voter information guide and so then they can vote on Monday.
Supervisor Nelson?
Yes, I just wanted to add to that conversation. As someone who's brought forth initiatives and citizen initiatives those costs are absorbed by elections or through the county. I assume you know like Measure P was a citizen initiative. Measure M was a citizen initiative. Those were all done but through signature gathering but that still gets absorbed by the Uprall County is if i'm correct yeah
Yes, Supervisor Nelson through the chair Joe Holland again. Yeah so if we have a county measure that county measure is the cost of that is absorbed by the county.
Okay Supervisor Harmon.
So my question is, if we opt out can you guarantee that either they would be mailed together even though they come from two different vendors or at least within a few days of each other? Because that would be the condition and I'd like to have some reassurance.
Supervisor Hartman. I will give you the commitment that we will try to get the voter information guide out it's a high priority for us like I said to get it out a few days before the ballots go out 29 days before the election We could try to coordinate them for the same day, but you've got to realize that when we get 237,000 ballots they pull up in a semi truck that's full.
And then if you add on the voter information guide on that, that's a huge impact for the United States Postal Service and they do a great job.
Bulk mail timing is very difficult to get right. The closer that Mr. Hollins mails them together, the more likely that people will get ballots in some cases before they get the voter guide and so there is a danger in that because just because something was mailed a day after something else does not mean that it won't get to somebody first. So I just think that's you know Something that they'll try to get right but we shouldn't get mad at them for the USPS bulk mail system.
Right so we will commit and believe me every election be trying to voter information guide out a few days before the Monday 29 days before the election to be mailed the vote by mail ballots I think that is the optimal
case Is there a motion? Yes,
I'll go ahead and make a motion to. Approve staff's recommendation or elections officials recommendation to approve the opt out of this initiative and. And their corresponding action items.
There is a motion. Is there a second?
Second.
There's a second any discussion on the motion. All those in favor please say aye. Aye opposed no.
No.
That's 3-2. We'll take a 10 minute break and come back with departmental item
number 5. Thank you.
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Reconvening for departmental item number five.
Chair Williams and members of the board, departmental item number five is from the County Executive Office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an amendment to Chapter 50 of the county code licensing of cannabis operations.
Good morning, Chair Williams, members of the board. Brittany Oderman, Deputy CEO here to present you with some proposed amendments to Chapter 50. As you are now familiar, Chapter 50 was adopted in May of 2018 and established the county business licensing process for cannabis operations. And as the program grows and evolves over time we've made several changes to Chapter 50 through various amendments At the June 6th board meeting I received direction to strengthen consequences related to non timely tax reporting and payments.
I just want to draw your attention to bullet three because it does say strengthen penalties. The penalties already exist in the tax code related to late late payments interest and fees charged. This is really to address more of the consequences around issuing and renewing a license. This amendment requires timely reporting and payment of taxes as stated in the tax ordinance.
That means that taxes have to be reported and paid the last day of January, April, July, and October or an operator's business license application or renewal may be denied. I'll walk you through each of the proposed changes. There are several sections that mention tax reporting and payment because they're related to both issuance and renewal. Our operators are required to file and pay taxes quarterly if they hold state licenses, so this Includes our operators that claimed legal non-conforming status, as well as those that hold county business licenses. So we have a few operators that are still out there operating and making their way through our process.
We're coming to an end on those but so we needed to address this issue for both initial issuance of licenses and renewals. So the first area would be grounds for denial of an initial license The proposed amendment clarifies that county taxes must be paid in reports filed by those due dates as defined in Chapter 50A and will apply prospectively, otherwise the license may be denied. And by prospectively I mean moving forward right? And so for this particular ordinance amendment this would apply once If you approve the amendment and we have our second reading on July 11th, it would apply after August 10th so effectively for the first quarter of 23-24. Our current language for this particular item states that cannabis business licenses may be denied for failure to pay or file taxes.
So we're just strengthening that consequence or I'm sorry, they're strengthening the language around timely reporting and payment. Section 5018 is Procedure and Notice of Denial. In this section, we are establishing that applicants will not be given additional timeframes to correct their deficiencies related to not filing tax reports or paying taxes by due dates.
Under the current language we allow time to correct deficiencies. We notify the operators and they can file late or pay tax, pay late. We give them a timeframe they need it and then they can move forward in the process. So to be clear this language in Section 5018 would mean no exceptions if someone is a day late that's it even if they're in good standing otherwise.
That's the language we're proposing.
A question on that. Supervisor Lavine. I'm just
curious how that, how that compares to other
trying to think of, I mean totally in favor of this but I'm trying to figure out if somebody has you know there's always found out I was late on property tax one time just because the payment didn't go through those types of things so what would happen if somebody Misses by a day, they're in good standing. What's the recourse then at that point? You're saying there is none, they just go immediately to somebody in poor standing and then what would be the effects of that?
Thank you, Supervisor Labadino through the chair. The way this proposed amendment is written that day late payment or report would render them not able to renew their license. It's it's that severe. It's you are late on your quarterly payment or report. You cannot renew.
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OK, that I do have a problem with. I mean property tax we all pay our property tax and there's a penalty if we're late. We all pay. Our income tax and if we're late we pay a penalty. I want a severe penalty but I think a death penalty for being a day late is taking it a bridge too far so. OK let's just keep going I'm trying to get my head around that.
Thank you. Section 5019 addresses the renewal process. So our proposed amendment adds language clarifying that an operator with tax delinquencies is not in good standing and may not continue to operate while the renewal application is processed. In contrast, the current language allows operators in good standing to continue to operate while a renewal application is processed And so in this in this way if they did not file or pay their taxes on time we would determine them not in good standing. So when they apply for their renewal they're also not eligible to renew based on these changes but it just it further clarifies that they may not operate during that period that were issuing the notice of denial In Section 5020, Denial of Renewal Licenses.
We state that a business license renewal shall be denied if the licensee has been delinquent in payment of quarterly taxes or filing of quarterly reports at any quarter. The current language states that a business license renewal would be denied if they're delinquent at the time of renewal So the nuance there is. If they've been delinquent during any quarter during the year they would be denied renewal versus being able to correct that delinquency which is the current the current language.
Moving to Section 5020 denial of renewal licenses. This is the partner language to what I described before that Supervisor Lavinio was questioning. It's similar to the section on issuance so this language gets rid of those additional time frames to correct deficiencies and again would mean no exceptions and the renewal would be denied. Section 5025, Grounds for Denial of License.
This language clarifies that county taxes must be paid and the tax reports filed by those due dates that are defined in the tax ordinance and they will apply prospectively otherwise the license may be denied. The current language requires that licensee pay all taxes and fees Up to that point. So again, this is around the notion of paying in a timely fashion and reporting in a timely fashion.
And finally, in Section 5026 suspension or revocation of a cannabis business license. The proposed language establishes that late filing of tax reports or payment of taxes as grounds for suspension or revocation of a business license. Our current language states that failure to pay taxes File tax reports as grounds for suspension or revocation. So we're adding that additional consequence that if you had any late quarterly payments or reports, that that is grounds for suspension or revocation.
So in summary currently our operators are required to file tax reports and pay quarterly taxes on their gross sales receipts And so the proposed language in this amendment asks that a cannabis operation, I'm sorry states that a cannabis operation may be denied business license issuance or renewal if their quarterly tax reports and payments are not received by the due dates.
The proposed language is meant to address the issue of operators filing late quarterly tax reports and failing to timely pay their taxes And if approved as I mentioned earlier, these changes would apply prospectively beginning August 10th. So effectively for the Q1 reporting for fiscal year 23-24 which would be due in October. Finally, I just want to remind you of the recommended actions today is to consider this first reading of the ordinance. Read the title and waive further reading and set a hearing for the July 11th agenda to consider the second reading in the CEQA determination for amendments to Chapter 50.
Thank you that concludes my presentation and I'm happy to take questions.
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Supervisor Herman?
Would you go back to the previous slide?
Yeah, so let's see. The amendment proposes that a cannabis operation may be denied. So that gives some discretion and I just wondered how you anticipate that would be exercised.
Thank you Supervisor Hartman through the chair. You're differentiating in the word may versus shall. In fact, it may be denied but in effect there really are no exceptions and there's no way around a denial. It will be denied.
Supervisor Kapp?
Thanks I just had a clarification on the same slide. The third bullet that this is meant to also address those who don't even file. I imagine that's included in failing to pay to timely pay taxes but I just want you to clarify because it wasn't spelled out in the presentation that this would also be applicable to those who don't even bother to file zero.
Thank you Supervisor Caps through the chair that is correct. That is probably a detail that should have been addressed timely reporting and payment includes those who wouldn't at all pay or report right so if they if they have not paid or reported then this applies to them as well not just being late
Supervisor Nielsen. Yes thank you
Chair
Williams.
So there's some operators out there that have multiple licenses for entitlements right? So would this impact their other licenses or would they just potentially lose the business license on that property?
Thank you, Supervisor Nelson through the chair. There are operators that have multiple licenses if they operate in and we're talking about county business licenses if they operate in numerous locations they have to have a license for each of the individual APNs And so no this would only affect that operation and that license. So if they were to report on one operation timely and pay that operation and that license would continue to be valid and renewed the one where they didn't pay timely in report would not.
And then along the lines of Supervisor Lavinia's question about The death penalty, as you will. Is there an opportunity if somebody's denied a license at that point to potentially remediate in the future and go back through a process? I mean they still have potentially a land use entitlement. They will no longer have the business license so they cannot operate under our code at this point but is that gone indefinitely or is there a way for them to eventually get back into the queue?
Supervisor Nelson through the chair, they could get back in the queue. They can reapply for a business license. Initially if we deny or we deny an issuance or renewal there is due process. They can appeal that process. The ordinances, the proposed language makes the ordinance clear and so you know the appeal process hopefully would Would end in the county's favor. In that case, however they may reapply for a license at a later date. The challenge in the North County is our acreage cap is full and so they would be on a wait list. They'd have to wait until their operation came up on the wait list but yes they could they could reapply with the current language.
My last question while these lines is That due process. So that appeal that would go to which bodies that go to court is that go to the board of supervisors does it go to staff?
Thank you Supervisor Nelson. That appeal actually goes to the Office of Administrative Hearings just through the state we have a contract an open contract with them to hear. We've used them I think two or three times in the past for various appeals. It's a non-partisan body that would hear, review our ordinance, look at any written documentation. We're rarely asked to actually go and testify. It would be an administrative review of all the laws and ordinances and then a determination.
That's helpful because I think the other question is like what if there's that thing where the check doesn't gets lost? That would be something that would be adjudicated by that body.
Okay,
thank you.
That is
correct.
Supervisor Labadino? Thank You Mr. Chair so we're dealing with something up in Santa Maria right now where a group of kids 4-H gave their applications to their instructor who then was supposed to turn them in at the fair and there was a fire and a crash on the freeway It didn't make it in time, so they missed the deadline. So now we have 22 kids that don't get to show their animals and it's like a death penalty. They're like nope there is no you have to go to the state to try to get this thing which I thought was totally ridiculous.
This is not the way that we collect taxes in the county. I think we've gone from kind of a slap on the wrist to the death penalty and there's got to be somewhere in between that we can all agree on Property tax if you're late in the county, it's a 10% fee. It's 10% penalty plus $50. TOT is a penalty of 1%, the first day you're late and then one third of 1% each day after your late up to 25%. Even the IRS, it's 5% of the unpaid tax each month.
I don't want to see something that gets drugged out, you know the guy's two months late. That's a problem but to say that you're gonna pull somebody's ability...I mean that would be like if you're one day late on your TOT tax you have to shut your hotel down or you're one day late on your property tax you have to move out of your house. I just think it's overbearing and I don't think that's what my intention was at least.
The OK with something that said look taxes are due. And if after the first five days you know there's a penalty in that first five day window if after five days or seven days it's still overdue yeah then I'm fine with dropping the hammer but I know the well intention of this And there's going to be a case, I promise you there's gonna be a case of somebody that came in. We didn't have somebody at the counter or something happened or they couldn't find a parking space or they got their car towed and it didn't happen and all of a sudden we're saying hey you guys can't operate anymore.
I don't think that's our intention. Our intention is to get people to pay the tax Just like we collect property and TOT, and the IRS collects our taxes. So I would hope that we could come up with something that actually is the intent of what we're trying to do without trying to create something that sounds really good but it's going to have a very deleterious effect so.
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Is there a public comment on this item?
Chair Williams and members of the board we have no request to speak on this item.
Supervisor.
Mr. Chair, members of the board so I'm having a little bit of confusion over this delinquency versus due date when I look at the language and I just wonder if we could take a five minute break so that I just want to make sure the language is matching what it is you all intended and I'm not sure which one it is but I want to just take a look
Supervisor Hartman.
Yeah I just wanted to ask a question that may you may consider as well if I heard supervisor Lavinino correctly after five or seven days dropping the hammer is okay and and you said for a penalty 10% so if your day late ten percent plus fifty dollars or something that that would be agreeable?
That's property tax, I don't know
Thank you, Supervisor Hartman through the chair. Those penalties already exist for cannabis taxes so in the cannabis tax ordinance there are penalties this is this was To increase the consequences around timely reporting because there are due dates in the tax ordinance. There's penalties and someone can come in for a renewal, and at the time of renewal they could go back and pay all four quarters and file all their tax reports at that time. We don't want to pay the penalties and then we would renew their license this Chapter 50 ordinance would change that. And not allow them to be late during the year on their quarterly reports and taxes.
What I'm saying is trying to find some balance between somebody coming in four quarters late and somebody coming in an hour and a half late.
Right? So, I mean, I don't want to wait a whole quarter. If it's a daylight there's a penalty. It sounds to me like that's stricter than our tax code. Is it not?
Mr. Chair and members of the board, I think there might be a solution to this if we take the five minute break.
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We're reconvening on item five and.
But the question is, what does the proposal do? And what do we want it to do I suppose. So the first question is.
So
Mr.
Chairman of the Board so it was helpful to have a break thank you because we were able to clarify that two different terms being used. So one is the due date And one is delinquency date. So the due date for the taxes is the first day of the month that it's due, but the delinquency date is 30 days later. That's the way it's written now so you know it's due. So if you paid let's say middle of the month and didn't go through, you still would have two more weeks to get it by the delinquency date. If you don't make the deliquency date that is the ground for denial So it's not immediately after the, it's not the second day.
That's like property tax and what do people when do everybody show up at Joe Hall? I mean at Harry Aiken's office.
Mr. Chair members of board we talked about that so I wasn't sure what the understanding of the board was due date delinquency date and there. I appreciate that thank
you. Just to clarify too what County Council just described is status quo now. So if the taxes are due January 1 They have to pay that by the delinquency date and file their report by. By the 3rd January 30th so just to be clear that's what status quo is now. So we're saying if you don't pay and submit your form by January 30th, that is this death penalty. So we weren't sure Supervisor Lavanino if your request was give us seven days of
difference. I did not understand the differentiation of the terms. And so that makes a lot more sense to me. They have 30 days. Yep got it.
I have one additional question on that. So it's for the term that ends the day before the due date? So they have to do all the accounting on the grocery seats in one day to be. I mean it's not. I'm hoping this is just temporary when we move to a different type of tax structure in the future and we actually send out bills instead of asking them what they should pay but.
But they have to be ready on the very next day to pay their taxes and then they have 30 days to do that.
Supervisor Nelson through the chair. That's correct and that is why the due date for the reports is the 30th because they need all that you know they they often are and you heard it in a testimony on June 6. They need that time to put their get their books together so
that the pay on the first of their reports do on the 30.
The due date the delinquency date is the 30th for you know the due date and the delinquency. The delinquency date for the tax is the 30th. The due date for the report is the 30th.
The previous 30th Let's go through scenario real quick so with the 30 like December 30th report due? January January 30th but the taxes were due on were due on the 1st even though the reports due on the 30
Right now it's every quarter, right? Correct. Every quarter we track what did you do in that quarter so that quarter was the end of 2023 let's say ended December so what we say is We said at the end of the quarter so in January we want you to. We want you your due date and I'm using the terms that we typically do for taxes. You have a due date of your money. A due date of your money January 1 but will give it to January 30th to actually pay it because we realize people have to have some leeway and they have to get their books together in particular for cannabis growers. Your form that you have to submit on your report.
That asked that also has to be submitted January 30th because of this we know it's going to take people time and so County Council just said so the due date for the money is January 1 but we're giving people until the 30th to pay the due date for the form is January 30.
Let,
just if Mr. Nelson has a follow-up but no okay.
Mr. Lavagnino. Thank you Mr. Chair so this this is clear to me and like you said I hope now that this kind of spurs us to look at a different way to collect it because from what we understand it probably takes a couple of weeks for them to get it then you really only have a couple week window um it seems like it might be Smart business decision now to just pay an estimated.
In your first week and then come to some sort of thing at the end of the month, but. Yeah. Shoot go ahead supervisor caps because now I confused myself for what I was going to say. No, I
just appreciate Supervisor Lavagnino's clarification because this is definitely the intent of what Supervisor Hartman and I have been working on. It's to you know not to be this to understand that there's sometimes human error and snafus etc but to allow for that but ultimately to go back big picture purpose is to get more revenue in the door which is the purpose of the program to make it easier for our budget team to make Honest projections that are based on real time information. And so I appreciate the discussion, but I think and the work that's gone into this and that grace period seems fair to me.
Yeah. And let me understand because I just it is it doesn't mean that we shouldn't do it, but this is a standard that's like Nobody else lives by and if we all live by the standard, you know that we had to pay taxes quarterly. And if we were more than a month late, we'd all probably lose our job at some point. So what is there? That's why I'm asking this question is, Is there any other option can people essentially prepay Their cannabis taxes to be out of this sort of quarterly jeopardy.
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Chair Williams, I am not 100% certain how that would work with the Treasurer Tax Looker's Office. As Supervisor Lavagnino mentioned you could pay an estimated tax based on where you are at the end of the quarter and then when you file your report you would true it up pay or get back, you know sometimes we have refunds based on those estimations. Could they just pay a year like for the whole year in advance to?
They'd still have to file their reports each quarter if they had an estimated gross sales value I would have to refer to the Treasurer Tax Selector's Office and the code there.
Well my you know what I would say is that if our goal is revenue Um, and better collection then. Why wouldn't we allow people to pay their tax ahead of time? And that way I mean this is. Organizationally a quarterly fire drill right. And if an organization doesn't have the wherewithal to prepay tax then maybe they just have to do a quarterly fire drill which is what this will require but why wouldn't we want them to repay so you know I would just ask that that The motion include the direction that we enable applicants to repay their tax. And if it needs to come back to be drafted then that's fine but you know there should be that option particularly if the goal is to collect revenue would definitely collect revenue
Supervisors to the chair. It sounds rational but we are we're all looking at each other because we really would want to consult with the treasurer tax collector because it may be a lot of work on their side than having to reconcile every quarter every year and so if you give us that direction, we can continue to look at that. But
well direction would be good enough for me.
Thank you.
Supervisor Labadino. And as part of the direction, I think we've got to send something out to all of our licensed individuals at this point and notify them of the change so that somebody is just not going business as usual and then ends up losing a business over this. So whatever outreach needs to be done, I think. So when's the next quarter that this would apply to?
Supervisor Levin you know the chair this would apply to Q1 of fiscal year twenty three twenty four. So starting in July. Of 20. It because it applies after August 10th so it would apply to the first quarter because those reports and taxes are due in October
OK.
So that gives us time to.
OK.
Supervisor Her.
Yeah, I just had questions about other changes. As I understand it we're looking at the cannabis business license fee ordinance that's projected for next month and then we're looking at the live scan that will come back in the fall And I think we supported changes to that. So, I'm still missing what is one of my big concerns and that is the bad actors and how they get or don't get business licenses because we're not allowed to deal with them in the land use Process. And so I believe that there was at least some indication that we'd like you to look at that and so my question is where where is that in the schedule?
Thank you Supervisor Hartman through the chair. That is also planned it would be part of a Chapter 50 amendment and so when we're looking at the live scan issue we've come back with that.
OK.
It came up during this conversation but in order to do to address the tax due dates quickly we pushed it to vote.
That's fine just just checking thank you so much.
Hey,
there is no public comment. Correct?
Chair Williams and members of the board you are correct No requests to speak on this item
Is there a motion? Supervisor Hartman
I move staff recommendation And then with direction do we want that part of the motion? That we explore with the treasurer the the prepay and that we are aggressive with notice to the businesses
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Second Is there a comment on the motion? Mr. Nelson. All
those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? We will be recessing to closed session
and reconvene in about an
hour. Mr. Chair, members of the board the time estimate's an hour and a half.
Yeah let's do that.
And I'll announce what we're going in for closed session. So we have one item of anticipated litigation, significant exposure to civil litigation, one case. We also have conference with legal counsel on existing litigation, Pitski versus Santa Barbara County and that's a Superior Court case and Dudley, Santa Barbara County District Attorney versus County of Santa Barbara. That's also a Santa Barbara Superior Court case.
We have one case of anticipated litigation based on facts and circumstances, which are listed in the agenda. And that's a significant exposure to litigation. We have conference with labor negotiators. That's for the Santa Barbara County Deputy Sheriff's Association and the unrepresented employee managers and executives. Our agency designated representatives, our CEO Mia Sato and HR Director Maria Elena Debra Rivera.
And we have the addendum which is existing litigation county of Santa Barbara versus regents of University of California also a Santa Barbara Superior Court case.
At two o'clock. We're reconvening from closed session.
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I'd like to report out for closed session.
Thank you Mr. Chair, members of the board. The board met in closed session on anticipated litigation significant exposure to civil litigation one case existing litigation Pitski versus Santa Barbara County Dudley versus Santa Barbara County and county of Santa Barbara versus Regents California Also, one case of anticipated litigation based on the facts and circumstances listed in the agenda.
And conference with labor negotiators for Santa Barbara County Deputy Sheriff's Association and unrepresented employees managers and executives and the board took no reportable action.
Thank you. On to departmental item number six.
Chair Williams and members of the board, departmental item number six is from the Community Services Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the 2030 Climate Action Plan cap development update and financial analysis options.
Good afternoon Chair Williams, members of the board. We're happy to be here today and get the opportunity to walk you through the draft of the County's 2030 Climate Action Plan. Before we get started I just wanted to express some appreciation To all the community members and organizations that have contributed their time and expertise towards developing this plan. That includes members of our own county team, the departments that participate in our sustainability committee, our equity advisory and outreach committee. And the Santa Barbara County regional climate collaborative, which is made up of other jurisdictions nonprofits and business organizations. And then finally I wanted to really express strong appreciation for your board as well as the CEO's office.
For your support to date and in particular related to the budget hearings that we just had where you set aside $500,000 for sustainability initiatives funds which is incredibly forward thinking and we're very appreciative. Today's recommended actions are to receive an update and file an update on the draft 2030 Climate Action Plan, and then provide any direction on changes you'd like to see to that draft.
We do have a couple of options regarding the 2030 cap GHG emission reduction goal. The cap as it's currently drafted is with a 40% reduction goal by 2030, but we do have some options to make some changes to the plan that would allow you to retain that 50% by 2030 goal. We just felt the need to kind of highlight That it is an aggressive goal to stay with that 50%, but we support the decisions of the board and will modify the cap if that's your direction.
And then finally, there was some interest in doing some additional financial analysis regarding the costs associated with the cap. We do have some financial analysis included that was already done specifically related to four of the mandatory measures. But there's some additional options for your consideration. I just want to highlight that they are even though it would be additional level of analysis, there's a lot of variables to that analysis so it might not be as precise of information as you're really looking for and if you did decide that you wanted to really maintain that 50% goal but also do this additional analysis you might consider sort Allowing that analysis to happen post cap adoption or the cap could be delayed a little bit.
So today, our climate program manager Garrett Wong is going to walk us through the process for developing the cap. We also have Ryan Gardner with Rincon Consultants who is our technical consultant on the cap and he's also available to answer questions
Good afternoon, my name is Garrett Wong and I'm the Climate Program Manager working on the climate action plan. To begin with the climate action plan we first need to know what are our largest sources of emissions and to do so we create what's called a greenhouse gas inventory which is basically a snapshot of all the activity that takes place across the county within one period of a year The largest sources of emissions are commercial and personal vehicle transportation, followed by energy use which is divided into natural gas and electricity consumption.
The third largest source of emissions is agriculture followed by off-road equipment and solid waste. So the inventory tells us where to focus our efforts to reduce emissions. We began this process in late 2020. We kicked off an extensive community outreach and engagement process, also including internal stakeholders as was mentioned earlier. We've held a number of workshops, listening sessions, roundtables, and provided presentations to various stakeholder groups like regional chambers of commerce and the agricultural advisory committee.
We utilized media and online platforms to engage hundreds of community members to solicit feedback and ideas. We established an equity advisory and outreach committee to guide our planning engagement and plan development. We worked with the Equity Advisory Committee to establish what are called equity guardrails. We want to ensure that whatever actions and measures are implemented through the Climate Action Plan, are actually prioritizing benefits for historically marginalized populations and that no action exacerbates existing inequities.
So these guardrails will serve as a tool to ensure net benefits are achieved through our implementation. An example of how this might work is when it comes to building electrification we want to develop programs that both address upfront and lifetime costs. That ensure that adopting these new technologies does not increase utility bills at the end of the day for customers who are low income.
The plan is structured differently from the previous Energy and Climate Action Plan, which focused on sectors. This plan is organized into focus areas, which you can see listed here. Each focus area has measures which are short or long range approaches to implementing the goal. And then there are quantitative goals that are established within each measure. Each focus area and measure has a more detailed set of actions, and those actions are policies or programs or activities and partnerships that we feel are necessary in order to achieve the goals that we've set for ourselves to reduce carbon emissions.
It's important to keep in mind that the Climate Action Plan once it's adopted, The policies are not made effective through the adopting the plan in it of itself. But each policy and project will have its own life cycle from planned development and funding and approval that still would come back to the board. So we're going to walk briefly through each focus area touching on the high level goals within each focus area and kind of the major shifts that are required in order to meet the goals that we set for ourselves.
The first one is housing and transportation, and these are inextricably linked. When it comes to housing and transportation our biggest shifts are to transition the vehicles that we're using to zero emission vehicles and then prioritizing as much affordable and transit oriented development as possible. These are the most impactful things that the county can do.
We also need to look at off-road equipment like tractors and construction equipment. They also must be decarbonized, so staff will work with stakeholders to provide education and incentives while setting targets for converting non fossil fuel equipment When it comes to clean energy, our focus is to transition residential and non-residential buildings to be utilizing electricity generated from clean renewable energy sources.
Both policies and financial incentives need to target new and existing buildings At the same time, we also need to focus on increasing energy resilience. Something that's in the works is an energy assurance plan. We're also working on establishing community resilience hubs that have backup power and onsite solar generation as well as increasing utility scale solar and storage.
In the focus area of waste water and wastewater, we're seeking to reduce the amount of valuable materials that get sent to the landfill that would otherwise be put to good use. The measures in this focus area look to improve resource efficiency through composting and graywater systems and to reduce the energy intensity of our water systems. When it comes to nature-based solutions, this focus area seeks to increase carbon sequestration through sustainable land management practices like compost application and riparian restoration.
The county can support these efforts in various ways and can also focus on planting trees in its facilities parks and public rights of way While the Climate Action Plan primarily focuses on reducing carbon emissions through fossil fuel demand reduction, like electrification, conservation, efficiency and renewable energy. The low-carbon economy focus area seeks to support businesses and industries in becoming more sustainable and adapting to a changing economic environment that is less fossil fuel intensive.
Examples include carbon capture, carbon sequestration and carbon offsets. Where we have the most control is through our own facilities and our operations and vehicle fleet. In 2014, the board adopted a net zero energy policy directing general services to design and construct new facilities that generate as much energy as they consume. In 2019, the board directed general services to ensure that the purchase of all new non-public safety sedans are zero emission. And then that directive was expanded in 2022 to include light duty pickup trucks, vans and SUVs.
The Climate Action Plan continues the county's leadership with new actions such as establishing a policy for all electric buildings, procuring renewable natural gas and conducting a feasibility study to achieve carbon neutrality for municipal operations. This is a chart that represents the estimated emission reductions if the plan is fully achieved. The bar on the left represents the future emissions in 2030, if left unmitigated.
There are state laws and programs that will help to reduce local emissions like vehicle fuel efficiency or fuel efficiency standards and the renewable portfolio standard. And if we're able to achieve all the goals that we previously reviewed in the different focus areas then we will see the associated emission reductions that are shown in the blue bars. That will leave us with the remaining emissions which is shown on the bar on the far right.
All the measures and actions as they're currently drafted would need to be fully implemented to achieve what we estimate to be a 40 percent reduction compared to 2018 levels. This is consistent with state goals but it falls short of the board adopted goal of a 50 percent reduction below 2018. If we still want to achieve the 50% reduction goal, we would need to modify some of the language in the Climate Action Plan to do so.
And these are the three actions that would need to be modified. So the first would be to modify a policy which is under action, the Clean Energy Focus Area, Action 1.3. That would be an ordinance that would require appliances that are, that utilize fuel gas. That once they are burnt out and need to be replaced, that they would be replaced with all electric ones.
So the cap currently has that set for 2025. If we're seeking to meet the 50% target, we will need to advance that to 2023. We would also need to increase our projections for achieving greater electric vehicle adoption throughout the community in both passenger vehicles and commercial vehicles. So currently, our targets are set for 25 percent and 15 percent respectively, and they would need to be increased to 30 percent and 22 percent respectively.
To put that in perspective when it comes to passenger vehicles Right now there are roughly over 325,000 vehicles, passenger vehicles registered in Santa Barbara County. Roughly about three percent or about 10,000 of those vehicles are considered zero emission. If we were to hit a 25% target that would mean 80,000 electric vehicles would have to be on the road by 2030 If we wanted to increase that to 30% that would represent roughly 97,000 electric vehicles on the road. So a difference of roughly 17,000 electric vehicles.
Additionally, we would also need to set more aggressive targets for active transportation and public transit ridership. Both of which would be challenging to achieve given that transportation infrastructure is costly and the county has limited ability to influence transit operations in terms of service areas frequency reliability speed or cost. Alternatively if we're not seeking to do these shifts within the plan we could also seek to procure carbon credits to offset the remaining balance of emissions.
With the estimated balance of emissions being over 151,000 metric tons between the 40% and 50% goal. Offsets would likely be a high cost option with minimal return on investment compared to investments that could go directly towards local projects towards local businesses and households to reduce direct emissions. Therefore, we request that the board provide direction on whether on either to modify the plan as described above or and the associated actions or to potentially adjust the target to achieving a 40 percent
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goal.
In addition to the public outreach that was mentioned earlier we've provided opportunities for the public to comment on the draft measures and actions as well as the draft plan beginning of March of this year. We've utilized online platforms that have allowed hundreds of participants to engage and interact with the concepts of the plan either voicing their support concerns or new ideas.
Overall we sought to strike a balance between ambition and equity, between measures that focus on regulation and those that use education and incentives. As was mentioned earlier this Climate Action Plan has a high level roadmap and there's a high level of variability when it comes to implementation costs and costs to the community. So far what we've done is a qualitative analysis of four measures that involve developing adopting and enforcing an accounting ordinance including a natural gas replacement.
Ordinance which I just mentioned earlier a building performance requirement the requirement for large employers to reduce employee employee commuting trips. And then they an ordinance to phase out light duty gasoline and diesel powered off road equipment The analysis of the current analysis that we've done characterizes the types of costs that would be borne by the community and the county as a result of these actions. Case studies or similar policies and programs throughout the country were offered as potential examples offering both best practices and lessons learned.
Additionally examples of funding sources and financing strategies were also provided. This is still a qualitative analysis In addition to this analysis we are offering other more specific and more rigorous frames of analysis if desired by the board. Each of these options would offer distinct levels of analysis that either could stand alone or complement each other.
They would utilize a research-based approach and no new community data would be generated. In other words, these analysis would depend on direct information from county staff, stakeholders, case studies and expertise of professionals in the industry. The first one, accounting government cost analysis would evaluate the costs specific to the county. Would include key indicators such as total capital investments, annual operating costs, staffing costs, potential shared costs with other jurisdictions or private entities.
Analysis would also provide an order of magnitude estimate on both the one time and ongoing costs of the county. The complete community cost analysis would offer a high level evaluation of probable costs attributable to the community as policies and actions would be implemented. The community cost evaluation would provide cost ranges based off the information derived from past experience, case studies and available research.
Again this is a high level of variability given that individual households and businesses all have different costs and financing capabilities. And finally, the Green Economy and Employment Analysis will look at a higher resolution or more coarse resolution. Broadly the sectors and industries that are part of the county's green economy both now and into the future and would estimate the number of green jobs that could be generated as a result of the Climate Action Plan's investment in the community.
Typically, the analytical analysis associated with these measures. I'm sorry typically the analysis associated with the development of measures and actions come along with each of the actions that come after the adoption of the plan and are one of the first steps that we would take beginning implementation. So to recap on the recommended actions we are offering the board the opportunity. To requesting the board to provide us with direction regarding the draft climate action plan regarding the emissions reduction goal and its potential implications on the requisite actions to achieve that goal or adopting a new goal and the options to conduct additional
financial analysis or not at all
The public comment period for both the draft Climate Action Plan and the Environmental Impact Report will close on July 27th, after which we will review comments, make revisions and release the final draft CAP and EIR shortly thereafter. In the meantime, we also intend to present to the board recommendations for the Climate Initiatives Fund to initiate projects and programs that fall within the cap and the Board's direction.
Along with the final cap and EIR, we'll be making updates to the energy element and a greenhouse gas thresholds of significance within the environmental guidelines and thresholds manual. Our goal is to complete all these tasks and to bring the final cap, EIR energy element and GHG thresholds for adoption before the end of the year. And with
that, we welcome any comments or questions. Questions from the board. Supervisor Harris.
Could you go back to slide three where you show the different percentages? And
this comes from Katie Davis, but I think we've asked this before. I think other than stationary sources, this covers everything. So we've excluded one source. I guess you could say we aren't the ones to regulate that. We do serve on the APCD board which does have some regulatory authority and it just given that Ventura and LA County do it It seems we want a complete picture and, and we only have a partial picture. So could you respond to that?
Chair Hartman or excuse me through the chair to Supervisor Hartman I mean I think we can absolutely include information about the emissions associated with stationary sources within this document. You know perhaps we have a couple of different versions of this you know this graphic that shows the different breakout So that's absolutely something that we could do. But I do just want to highlight that it's a CEQA qualified cap, which makes it a little more problematic to include the stationary source emissions because we don't have that primary regulatory authority so we can absolutely include information.
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Supervisor Nelson?
Yes, a couple questions here. So along with the stationary sources I know APCD we heard about like the Gaviota terminal is sitting on a bunch of credits you know so we know locally you know we have brought down the GHG levels and so are you telling me that doesn't come into any consideration at all in this process?
It hasn't historically come into The cap or the cap for the reasons that I cited previously, you're right. Emissions are coming down when it comes to stationary sources. We probably would look a little bit better if we did include that. We're not opposed to including that kind of information in the cap. It's just that for us to be a CEQA qualified cap, You know, include information about you know not having the ability to really have primary regulatory.
Ability to ask existing operations to make changes.
I would think that we're talking about our counties inventory. We can also be the benefit of good luck or good opportunities as well that it doesn't have to be done all through a regulatory scheme. Another question along the lines with stationary sources is I see there's a carbon capture on here through what you call maybe natural sources. But our county has got the opportunity to participate in potential additional carbon capture and sequestration projects. That alone could probably solve many of these issues for our county as well as really create those jobs in the future.
Is that something that could be considered through the Climate Action Plan?
Yes Supervisor Nelson through the chair. We actually do have carbon capture and storage as a potential option that's in the low carbon economy focus area so we're certainly open to those opportunities coming to us.
All right and then the other question I had was about some of the process you said that all these policies will eventually come back to the board for action by the board? What I'm concerned about though is if they're all pieces to get us to the number that we're required to have a consistent cap. It almost presupposes that the board will approve all these different measures and so that's it do I understand correctly yes they'll come at a later date but we pretty much have to accept it or else we'll be out of compliance with this document.
I mean, as it's drafted right now to reach that 40% requirement or that 40% reduction we would have to implement everything that's in the cap right now and achieve the goals that are laid out. What the steps are, what the mechanics are to get to that? You know, we'll be determined when we come back to the board for some of these mandatory measures because it's a high level document. We haven't worked through every single sort of step in the process but there are examples from other cities and counties that we would likely follow. And
I guess the one that I'm probably most concerned about is TR 3.2, which is the development of an ordinance to phase out light duty gasoline and diesel powered off-road equipment including the county time replacement where feasible. The good news is that will save our housing element because we have plenty of land to build houses on because we won't have an agricultural industry.
Electric tractors are, you know, in its infancy. And so I'm really concerned about that as a potential policy. You know there's one electric tractor in our county at about 10,000 tractors or diesel equipment in our agricultural industry. So I'm really concerned about predisposing or pre Thinking through a policy that our board might make to potentially end production agriculture in San Barbara County.
And so when I see that, that gives me a lot of heartburn. I don't know how that would be implemented and I think it'd be foolish of us to include that in climate action plan without having that vetted out further. And that's also you know it's a little bit of deliberation but I'm really in favor this additional studies so they will really know what we're looking at as we move forward with future policies.
Supervisor Kaps.
Thank you very much, thank you to you both for the work I might the nature of my questions is wreck in recognition of the mighty small team that you are and by no means is saying that you Should have done more but with the feedback that I've gotten so far from community stakeholders is, is that this seems to be rather narrow in scope of only the things that we can control or mostly only the things you can control and I respect the integrity that's inherent in that if I'm interpreting correctly. But sort of the nature of my questions are kind of in the spirit of like the Jerry Maguire like help us help you kind of because that's really the feedback that I got was, you know again just to state the obvious but where we've never had This amount of federal and state funding for climate change efforts ever $360 billion in the federal bill.
And so there's so many ways in which new players are being brought in school districts, one that I know very well. So just I'm curious along the nature of the questions of previous two supervisors. Are we looking at, for example, schools that are in unincorporated? Santa Barbara Unified has now microgrid and solar in unincorporated. Is that part of the plan? Can we if not can it be? Can we empower more school districts which are major property owners to connect them to state resources like CalPERS, which you've educated me about Ashley so I know you know about it but excuse me. So my first question is kind of in this spirit Looking at charging stations as examples, we have the goal of 375. Is that just county land parking lots? Have we asked school districts?
Have we asked tech companies? Do you need resources for that? I've already had offers of help from Bren to do that kind of thing for the county.
Great question, Supervisor Capps through the chair. So you know the cap itself is focused on what we have land use control over but we really have tried to take kind of a more regional approach with developing the Santa Barbara County Regional Climate Collaborative and I think our approach definitely is regional not just the county of Santa Barbara and the cities within it but also the county of Slough and Ventura into the way we operate programs so to speak to your question about schools We have not done as much outreach to schools until we launched our Energy Assurance Program. And that has been the primary sort of program that we had, to do some outreach to schools to help them reduce energy use and put energy reliability measures in place like solar and storage.
So there's definitely more that we can do, and I think we'll have some opportunities to do that with the new funding. So that's absolutely something that we could expand on your point about vehicle electric vehicle charging infrastructure is Well taken. Garrett can speak a little bit more about some of the challenges that we've had going after some of these grants and trying to match grant requirements with county sites, and then trying to identify additional publicly owned sites. There's a lot of work that we need To do there to identify those sites.
So yes, potentially we would need help from supervisors to help identify some of those sites and Garrett I don't know if you
want to... Before Garrett answers, I just want to understand a threshold. If gains are made not directly by us but like by a school district does that count towards the
cap? So it will when you're looking at things like Smaller things like that, it's not as much of an impact on the cap itself. It's really looking at the energy mix that's being delivered to the
county. You're already building in the energy transition into your calculations by 2030 including what would happen at school districts and by the public Because our energy providers goal is to be 100% renewable by 2030, which is earlier than the state's goals. I don't know how long folks goal is but city of Santa Barbara's goal and our goal through BC is 100% renewable by 2030.
That doesn't mean that we couldn't explore EVs more with the school districts or EV charging.
Absolutely and also the missing pieces like resiliency so Central Coast Community Energy is going to get us to that 100% clean energy but we still need our sites, we still need our local sites to be resilient and schools play a big role in that.
And again, I don't mean to just be a myopic on schools. It's just sort of getting to this point that we've received some emails etc and offers of like we want to help you and I get that you are small teams and doing this kind of outreach takes effort but we haven't yet it seems like we haven't yet opened those doors yet. And so for me to say we're going to reduce the goal without feeling as though we've been satisfied that we've actually empowered a lot of our partners which a county County can do that. County can convene, county can empower, county can connect to state and federal resources and so that's just the nature of my questions. I'll oh sorry Garrett if you want to answer that about electric charging stations.
It won't be so specific to electric vehicles per se but i will say that you're right with the funding it's certainly bringing a lot of interest Different stakeholders coming together to work on different ways of collaborating to identify ways in which we can all advance our individual organizational goals and kind of our collective community wide goals. And then, to your point everything helps right like we need to have when it comes to electric vehicle charging we need to have it literally everywhere because people drive everywhere right?
We can only do so much to focus on the county and we'll commit to achieving that. But the Climate Action Plan won't necessarily commit anyone else to achieving goals on our behalf, right? And so to the extent that we can help Someone who's the point B destination of Point A trip. You know we would want to make sure that yes we're connecting people where they are and where they need to go and making sure that all sorts of destinations have charging you know whether it's retail, whether it's business employers and things like that so we certainly need all sorts of partners
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Excellent. Well, I mean that's yeah let me just ask a couple other questions in that spirit of partnership. I understand the City of Santa Barbara has a streamlining app Empowering consumers to go solar that makes it very easy to install solar in your house and that the county, I understand through staff that P&D planning development is just beginning that process which would empower a lot of people. Consumers in the county to solarize their home much more quickly and easily than is the current status quo. Is that right?
Supervisor Kapsch to the chair. So my understanding is that P&D has received a grant and is moving forward with adopting solar app, which is an online permitting tool that would be very similar to what City of Santa Barbara has. City of Santa Barbara I think has a slightly different system but essentially allows them to do like almost on-demand permitting on certain things that don't require a plan check.
And so if we were to employ more of those streamlining processes like P& D Using this solar app that would help people get there faster. This would be helpful correct?
Yeah and I think Solar App 2 is looking at trying to add modules that would streamline permitting for electrification measures as well. I'm not exactly sure where they're at in that process but that's another benefit to that tool that we could possibly leverage.
Supervisors, Director Plowman is on the line if you want her to speak but you can let us know.
I think we're good with that, that affirmation and then somewhere on the same lines. I understand certain jurisdictions are looking at streamlining permitting for for electrification city of Menlo Park City of Palo Alto where the mean so can we be aggressive and in looking at how we Empower consumers to do this kind of work that a lot of people want to do. And then they encounter a snag and they might not keep going or they hear it's tough, so then they don't do it. So how does this plan address that streamlining?
So it doesn't get into the details on some of that streamlining, but we have done some work with planning and development. There's a DOE initiative called Soul Smart that has some different steps that you can take to get certain designations. We could work with planning and development to
move to the next level which is the gold level I think we're bronze now And so there's different actions that you would need to take to get that level. So something like that could be included, I think we could take a look at what the city is doing and kind of compare and contrast with what we're doing to try to get some best practices from them. The same with the EV charging permitting. Yeah,
I guess thank you. You're sort of affirming my hunches I think it's too soon to say we're not going to, we can't meet this goal or this is gonna be hard to meet the school. It feels to me though the partnership spirit is really what the county can do well again it takes efforts. I'm not trying to diminish the work that it requires but I'm all in and we have a lot of just by this meeting today a lot of offers of help to try to for example Bren student to spatially map potential parking stations came to all of the supervisors via email. So I think if we can add more, add more assistance here then we can stick with our goal and that's certainly where my intention is. Thanks for answering my questions.
Supervisor Lavinia. Thank you Mr. Chair I appreciate Supervisor Caps's point on this, is that there's partnerships and there's folks that we want to work with in school districts and those kind of things. Because for me it looks like we're all interested in meeting this goal but I haven't I haven't got the feedback from my constituents that they're interested in. Otherwise we'd be getting there right so we set a goal but well OK let's let one of the questions I have is now with you have natural gas and there is 21 percent of GHGs and I've just been reading now This is changing over the last couple of weeks. Now there's discussion of possible mandatory gas stove replacement upon burnout, is that coming from the state or is that part of our plan?
Or have you guys heard about that yet?
I think there have been some movement and discussions at the federal level. There are more studies coming out that have analyzed the emissions coming from the gas stove, including benzene, which is a carcinogen. There've been studies about the pollutants that have been linked to chronic respiratory issues, particularly asthma in children. Because a lot of those particles are heavier than what's currently in the air.
But as far as aside from we're not we haven't talked anything specifically about electric stoves and this policy.
I think it's indicative though like when I start thinking about this You know that's one of the things that I hear talked about at the state level of how to get us to these goals. But when you go talk to my. To the people in Santa Maria. You're better off trying to take their gun away from them they're gassed out right? It's just not going to happen. Right out of there it's very close on your district yes but need to defend their gas. Yes exactly. Yeah we've got to defend the gas stop.
So I think the county's done a really excellent job of handling the stuff that we're responsible for. You know, he made the transition to 3C. We've electrified the fleet. We've you know, we've done a lot of. Yeah, we don't. Well, what's that? Tahiga is correct. That was huge investment. But you know all the lighting has been changed out or doing a lot of those things that we can control where I see us falling short. Maybe it's through the partnerships that were talking about education is Folks that wanna drive a gas powered vehicle. Otherwise they would be driving, I mean there's so many incentives for EVs.
It just seems like that message is we talk about it here and I hear about it a lot from a lot of the CBOs that are in this space but I don't see it translating to the average person. And a lot of it has to do with cost. They just you know they don't have Disposable income to, you know make these changes. Some of it's psychological but and then they're running into roadblocks also when you say you know it's got to be super easy for people to make these changes so I mean, I appreciate the work that's going into this. I'm not sold one way or the other honestly for me setting a goal. Corey and I were talking about this before I said I have a goal to break 80 in golf. It doesn't mean that's gonna happen and his goal is playing Super Bowl so it's not gonna happen but goals are important but I'm not really sure it's you know when I was reading some of the emails I got it was pretty much life-or-death if we go with 40% or 50%.
It's like look we're gonna do the best we can people are gonna we're not gonna determine the outcome of this It's how much the people in society want to change or feel the need to change. And if they don't we're pretty much talking into the wind so yeah that's I guess I didn't have any more question there that was more of a comment sorry.
I agree with that that the people need the public needs to be on board but I think we can facilitate help facilitate that you know from a baseline of less than 3% EVs that were in existence previous to this year. The ZEV sales share in this county is now exceeded 18%. So gone from 2.8% to 18.4% in a couple years. That's really shows potential, it shows that people want the cost savings and pollution savings that comes from an EV.
But they, the typical thing is you know am I going to have access to charging if I'm a renter? You know am I gonna have access to charging if I live in a condo? And so You know, we can facilitate this in a way and I'm with Supervisor Caps on this. I just don't think we have tried enough of these strategies to say we can't reach the goal. And I think that if the county spearheads you know, a Renew 22 scale project to both make sure that all departments here but all of our partners in the community are working together to meet these goals.
I think we can, I think we can meet them especially since I don't get even though we control a lot of sidewalk space. I haven't yet seen us stick electric charging in the public right away which is within our right you know so we could dramatically expand this but the limiting factor is we're going to go first to the place where it makes the most bang for the buck which is our own parking lots But we still have a large unexplored potential, and I would just want to tell you both that I'm not going to support any move that shifts emissions from here to just worse emissions elsewhere. Which is what would happen if we put ag out of business?
Bad pollution practices in Chile is not a win for us. I would just say that, I think that this board can move together. Support the higher goal, realize that some of these strategies will work out. Some of them may not and in which case we need to make them adaptive. And in some cases carbon capture could outperform what is in this calculation very easily. You know some of the other ones may not reach what is in this calculation.
Can I just respond to that real quick? Yeah. Almost everybody in the oil industry would disagree with that comment at the end. I think, you know projects that have come before here but now require us to go get it somewhere else it might be dirtier. That was a lot of the prevailing argument and I think that was the one argument that made the most sense to me was that with the regulations we have here we could've done it better here but we now are forced to go somewhere else so...
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That's a part of the reason why I'm okay with. I mean, I'm not crying a tear that we're not counting our stationary emission reduction because the oil industry's own accidents, we shouldn't get credit for that, right? We should be getting credit for our moves that have improved the situation. Frankly though, the reason why that has reduced so much is because of the planes Pipeline spill and the ancillary closures from that, that's the largest factor.
And I'm okay with us not getting credit with that data. I suppose it'd be nice if we did but I think what the point is we should be rowing together in doing what we can do. Supervisor Nelson.
Yes, thank you Chair Williams. Well I think that it's not just the accidents within the oil industry though right? I mean we've as a county been going after the oil industry for quite some time and making it harder for them to continue business and that's one of the reasons why many of them have chosen to go elsewhere My question about the cap and first of all way I understand it is it is optional right.
Not every jurisdiction has to have one if we get to at least a 40 percent for the cap then we can have this as a programmatic document for planning documents so that they would not have to do a cap like study for their individual project. They'd be able to tear off of this for in their environmental document The 50% is just, is really just that. Just a goal right? And so it'd be something we would be trying to obtain if we didn't, if he fell short. We still have a programmatic EIR up to the 40% number.
Is that how I get it?
Chair Nielsen so we can it can be a CEQA qualified cap that allows tiering if you choose the 40 percent or the 50 percent and then we'll have this programmatic EIR. So either option.
What I'm trying to understand is if we fall short of the 50 percent We still meet the 40%. Is it still programmatic EIR that we can use to tear off? Yes. Okay, that's I think it's important to think about so as we shoot for 50% and we start to look at some of these policies and go you know what that policy You know that was really great because 50%, but we really can't stomach that maybe the economic impact The impact it might have to disadvantaged communities Various industries may not be something this board can accept and so it gives us some of that flexibility moving forward, so I would Decide to keep that in mind as we have this discussion.
Public comment
Chair Williams and members of the board yes, we have seven requests to speak on this item We will begin on Zoom with Farrah Stack. Excuse me.
And I'm just going to make a request because we still have another item that had to be added for some various reasons, uh, to protect tenants from renovations. So if people could try to keep it to two minutes, that would be very helpful.
We will begin with Farrah Stack to be followed by Joey Rogers. Farrah?
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Okay perfect good afternoon honorable supervisors my name is Farrah I'm a new resident of Santa Barbara County and i'm speaking today to urge the county to retain the county's greenhouse gas emission reduction goal of 50 percent by 2030 this goal is not merely a number on a piece of paper it represents the future of our community our environment and the safety of our homes and loved ones The ever-increasing threat of the climate crisis has become a harsh reality in our lives and one that I have tragically experienced firsthand after losing my childhood home in the Woolsey wildfires in 2018. Just a year prior, the Thomas Fire, the largest wildfire in modern California history at the time, tore through Santa Barbara and Ventura counties Leaving behind over 2.2 billion dollars in damages enforcing the evacuation of over 100,000 residents.
The climate crisis is a threat to all aspects of our lives it is happening now and the county needs to embrace the urgency of the situation and seize this opportunity to shape a climate just future for our county We need to act boldly. The county needs to act boldly, so please retain the county's emission reduction goal of 50% by 2030. Include oil and gas emissions in the inventory of the county's cap to ensure accurate measurement. The county should consider capping emissions from high-emitting wells and prohibiting flaring expand the number of EV charging stations, enforce building performance standards to encourage the adoption of all electric buildings and explore the possibility of collaborating with local ranchers and farmers to develop climate smart ag solutions in addition to the planting of 3,000 trees.
Thank you for your time and for your dedication to the well-being of communities across Santa Barbara County let us act boldly for the stakes have never been higher
We will now go to Joey Rogers to be followed by Michael Chiakos. Joey? And Joey, we have unmuted you on our end if you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments.
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Good afternoon Chair and Board. My name is Joey Rogers, and I am a new resident of Santa Barbara County and a lifelong resident of the Central Coast. I'm here today to urge the county to retain the 50% GHG emissions reduction goal. Santa Barbara County has been acutely impacted by the effects of the climate crisis experiencing extremes of drought fire flooding in subsequent mudslides.
As a county, we should be making every step possible to reduce emissions and I'm urging the council to retain their commitment of a 50% reduction in GHG emissions. Thank you.
We will now go to Michael Chiakas to be followed by Larry Bishop.
Hello, this is Michael Chiacos the Director of Climate Policy at Community Environmental Council. And CEC urges the County of Santa Barbara to retain the goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions 50%. Our region is one of the fastest warming counties in the entire country and we're tragically experiencing extreme fire smoke flood drought heat and other climate calamities that had been forecasted for our kids and our grandkids President Biden has set a goal of 50% reductions nationwide by 2030 and passed two major climate bills as well as dozens of climate executive orders. If the entire nation is on track to meet a 50% target, surely Santa Barbara County can be as ambitious.
Our county is on track to meet 100% renewable electricity through Central Coast Community Energy by 2030. This is 15 years ahead of the state's goal. Some of the enhanced measures outlined in the board letter sound ambitious, such as increasing EV mode share to 30%, from 25%. But just last quarter, over 21% of California's new vehicle sales were already zero emission. And many experts believe we'll surpass the 68% of new vehicles sales by 2030 target in the ZEV mandate because EVs will be cheaper than gas cars well before then.
Similarly, a more detailed discussion of the potential contributions of the county's vast natural and working land should be considered. The CAP envisions planting 3,000 trees on counties' properties which is quite modest. There are no other natural sequestration strategies proposed even though dozens of local farmers and ranchers are developing climate smart ag.
So the county should figure out how to get ranchers, farmers and companies engaged in a local voluntary offset market to really harness the power of the private sector for more ambitious natural working lands goals. CEC urges the county to retain our environmental leadership and keep the 50%. Thank you.
We will now go to Larry Bishop to be followed by Brady Bradshaw. Larry? And Larry, I do see you're using a touchtone phone so you may need to press star 6 to unmute yourself. We have unmuted you from our end.
Larry,
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Yes we can thank you.
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hello my name is Larry Bishop I live in Builton on the west side we have a... I'm sorry getting something back here.
Larry hold on just one moment if you have another device going if you could just mute that and then continue with your comments.
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Hello?
Can you hear me now? Yes please proceed. Okay yeah so basically I have a We have a large pipeline going through our house from the Exxon Las Flores plant, and I've personally experienced some pretty disturbing emissions from that pipeline living in Butleton. I'm here to oppose any reduction of the goals and in fact, I think we should increase goals to 60% if we can for GHG. We're going to keep our climate goals and basically we should add in all stationary sources.
I think that's extremely important they are a big component And I think we need to instead of decreasing our goals, increasing our goals. Keep looking for ways to accelerate climate protection action and stop backing off on these vital and necessary actions. I congratulate the county and staff for the cap and all the hard work you've been doing. And I think your seminars and webinars have been very good. You're doing a great job.
But there is an acceleration of technology and ways and opportunities to reduce GHG. So I don't think we should even conceive of backing off, we should instead look at ways of increasing it above 50%. And there are many... We need to take advantage of federal state and local incentives that exist now and hopefully exists in a few years from now We just have to keep pushing that, so thank you very much.
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We will now go to Brady Bradshaw to be followed by Katie Davis who is our final speaker. Brady?
Hello can you hear me?
Yes we can please proceed.
Thank you, my name is Brady Bradshaw. I am a campaigner with the Center for Biological Diversity and I would like to urge the county to I actually liked what Larry said, it's go even farther. President Biden has actually failing the country with in terms of upholding his climate commitments. There's many failures that have happened since the promises made and we needed that leadership at the federal level and so now we need you to as a city in California who should be setting the stage for climate action worldwide As one of the fifth largest economies in the world, we really need the county to step up.
And I really appreciated all of the remarks of several of the supervisors about how we haven't really even applied ourselves fully yet so we should not give up on this goal prematurely and just as a sentiment and as a need, we really need to do that. It's not feasible to go anywhere under 50%. And we really need to step up our climate action. The Inflation Reduction Act, part of the Inflation Reduction Act unfortunately was giving away 70 million acres of the Gulf of Mexico to more oil and gas leasing which is going to impact places like Santa Barbara with more wildfires and so you know as the upside that we need Take advantage of the upside of the Inflation Reduction Act is that there's $369 billion in funding available to start to implement some of the strategies that can help tackle climate change.
And other than just letting this planet burn, we need to also do our part to see what is available and what we can do with what's available. So please don't give up on the goal. Thank you very much.
We will now go to Katie Davis who is our final speaker on this item.
Hi yes, excuse me this is Katie Davis with the Sierra Club and I do hope you keep the 50% goal it's premature to give up on a goal you just set last year and it was in alignment with our global goals and you can't negotiate with physics But I do agree with Supervisor Nelson and Supervisor Hartman, we should get a more accurate inventory and take credit for our current lower emissions.
And you should ask staff to come back with an option that includes stationary source emissions in the inventory calculations. These emissions have declined going from The largest source of emissions after transportation to being more on par with agriculture. And this is something we do have control over, as Supervisor Lavagnino and Nelson have pointed out, we do have land use control. You have an offset requirement for new projects. Ventura County has, which they're currently litigating but will be in settlement talks. They have requirements around electrification of equipment for oil and gas extraction. They have requirements about not venting and flaring gas so there are things we can do there.
And even if you can't it can still be CEQA certified. We don't, we have more, we have less control over aviation fuel for instance So it should be there. I think it was left out originally because they were hard to forecast, but I don't think you should pick and choose what greenhouse gas emissions you should include in inventory. We should just be transparent like Ventura and LA counties and see what we're dealing with. And then we should also accelerate our transportation and building electrification We have lots of money available.
These are new, the Inflation Reduction Act monies are new people aren't aware of them yet. The county can help raise awareness and get grants directly and also let people know that they can replace their old gas heating with Clean, efficient electric conversions and get paid for it. I really love the idea of proactively providing permits for electrification just mailing them out to everybody and say hey if you want new electric heating you can get it. I mean I think this is a win-win or we can bring people around to want to do this electrifying so I think we should have a transparent inventory and we should accelerate what we're doing to move away from fossil fuels.
And we had one additional speaker here in Santa Maria and we are going to Ramon Elias. Ramon?
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I'm gonna close public comment.
Thank you, my name is Ramon Elias. I wasn't expecting for the reduction in time so I do have a write up that I would like to have included in the record before my time begins. There was a question that I thought Supervisor Nelson asked about cap requirements
Sir, your time is beginning. You can't decide when your time begins.
All right well I'm also a principal and executive officer with Pacific Agritech and our business is that of carbon capture we've developed in-house technology we're actually headquartered here in Santa Maria and We're moving along pretty good. The concerns or my, my concerns that I'm expressing today has to do with the impacts to affordable housing and transportation by the plant.
And I am speaking on behalf of the local council of LULAC Council number 3252. LULAC is the League United of Latin American Citizens. It was founded in We have about 139 members and supporters nationwide. Our own analysis, I'm gonna cut this short. Our own analysis shows that the Climate Action Plan policies exacerbate everyday struggles and already high costs of living for marginalized low-income individuals.
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There are three low income categories that are used by the state of California to help assess needs. These are 50 to 80 percent of the AMI, which is the average median income, which is considered low income household 30 to 50 percent Is very low income household and less than 30% is considered. Very extremely low income households, and the reason I bring this up is because using this criteria and US Census figures we see that 58% of county households fall within one of these income categories.
Of these households, 66% live in North County and 34% live in South County. Why are we going through this exercise? Well when one calculates what well let me add one more factor Both the state of California and the federal government agree that households should be able to afford about 30% of their income in order to be able to pay for affordable housing. In our summary here, I
show that basically... Shall I ask your minute over? That would have been the time if I hadn't of shortened it. So thank you. We'll read your letter. You have it right here. Thank you
And that concludes public comment on this item
And Chair Williams, I believe that I could. I just wanted to thank Ramon and you believe he serves on one of our committees here? I think he's on the Equity Advisory and Outreach Committee and so I want to thank him for being here as part of this Climate Action Plan are working through some of these issues will definitely be taking his information into consideration.
To the board. I'll
go. I mean, I think that there has all been great discussion today. You know, I'm pleased that though we come from a little bit of different viewpoints that there's broad agreement that there is more that we could do and I believe that there's more that we can do that not only is vital for the future of our environment but it's also a Buffer an economic buffer away from the insecurities for vast numbers of Santa Barbara County folks from the most volatile elements of our economy, which.
Is energy and fuel. And you know I. I believe it because of my own experience. I believe that the long term and there's pretty good data on at the long term. Efficacy and long term costs. Of more energy efficiency. Means lower bills. EVs mean lower. Bills they do have a higher upfront cost which is why the incentives are In place, and we can the real thing that we could do to unlock it.
Is make sure that charging is available ubiquitously? The reason why I send her on is because I know we can get argue about. Where and when we do natural gas moves, or we could argue about all these other things. But the biggest share of what happens here to comply with the cap is how far we go with EV adoption in the county. And that's a thing that we can lead by example.
We can promote through our infrastructure, but that ultimately has to also be done one individual at a time. But I think we can help facilitate it and I think part of that is let's not declare defeat before we have begun. Let's go keep with the higher goal and do all that we can to reach it. Supervisor John Nelson?
Yes thank you Chair Williams. You know, I'm just looking at various policies and changes to the Climate Action Plan since the last iteration even since you guys were last before the board. It seems that there are many more. There definitely has been a shift towards electric vehicles in this plan. Is really where the goal is coming from instead of restrictions on existing uses and things that might be more restrictive. And so you know that's something I keep asking for is more incentives, you know instead of being the regulatory body we should be leading people not restricting people especially reaching out and potentially disadvantaging low income families with policies that might lead to higher housing costs or energy costs Aren't yet to that level of technology to adapt to some of these ideas.
They're not really you know the proof of concept isn't there yet. So I do like where things are going and you know I prefer to have a 40 percent well 40 percent gives us to the programmatic EIR. And I think that's really important for tearing up for if we're gonna go down this effort And we're going to spend these funds, we might as well get something for future development so that they don't have to go through these added costs. So that's where it can be somewhat of an economic driver still too.
Hopefully it's an incentive. I don't think that a lot of our since our last Climate Action Plan, a lot of our projects were able to tear off of this and so that was somewhat unfortunate. I hope that we're able to if this moves forward tear off on future documents. As far as 50% is concerned, it can be a goal but you know I'm encouraged that all these policies will come back to the board.
I am supportive of definitely in the first two So we really know what these policies mean. I think we like to do things conceptually because they sound good but we don't fully understand what the unintended consequences are not only to our own budget but potentially industry as a whole. And if we do move forward with the third study on green jobs, I think we should also be working on making sure that we really dive deep into carbon sequestration. You know whether that's through agriculture or through storage and I think it's really something that we should be looking at as a county. I do think that's a huge opportunity to have our numbers significantly lower than what they were in 2018 and so those are my comments moving forward.
Supervisor Caput?
Thank you I'm with you Chair Williams on, I think there's more to be done and I really appreciate this conversation and learning here. And I think we're taking a very judicious approach to this recognizing that it's daunting but it's a must to me we have to pick up the pace we can't slow down. That's it. And I know that, you know, I think we can do it in two ways that have been discussed here one is empowering consumers more than we have.
Thanks to surprise a lot of me know I just googled what Evie purchasing rates are and it's 35% increase each year nationally so I'd have to imagine On par, or perhaps even leading so but I just know from experience. I have friends who care as much as I do about climate change and don't have an EV yet because if they don't have it at their house or their workplace It's scary to try to figure out how to make that work if you've So, the more that we can be empowering people with more charging stations and also just in terms of our own streamlining. It's still not easy or not as easy as it should be to go solar in your home and definitely electrification. I love the idea that some cities are doing where they just mail people a permit. It is not a requirement for heat pumps.
Consumers can choose to do it or not. I just think that's extremely innovative and appreciate that idea has been put forward, and we can see how that's working elsewhere. And then this to end kind of where I started on more partnerships and rely on me rely on us If we're trying to reach a goal of 375 charging stations, if we're trying to plant 3000 trees. Those are good numbers for us to have as we're out in the community as ambassadors. I can tell you on the school board, I didn't connect with the county on our work for sustainability. I would love to work with you all on helping school districts which have a ton of property in this county to do better but it's not what they're It's not in their primary mission, so we're sort of out on a limb.
So anyway, I think we should definitely stick with our 50. I hope that this conversation just catapults us a little bit more. Thank you to the staff for the work and I'm all in on trying to help.
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Supervisor Lavanina. Thank You Mr. Chair yep I'm gonna go to support Keep it where it is. You know, there's a saying you gotta hunt where the ducks are and I think that's where you are with EVs. It's like that's our... That's what we're gonna get the most bang for our buck. We all sit on APCD and its transportation and marine shipping. The two largest polluters causes of pollution in our county and at APCD with all the time that we spend there We don't have jurisdiction over those two items. So, we do have incentive programs with marine vessels and we're making some headway there.
And like Supervisor Nelson said I do like the approach that we are it's all about incentivizing education trying to get people to a position because it is true people are not going to switch technologies until number one it's convenient and reliable. I just recently Got a different car from the county and first time ever getting in a hybrid for me. So it was a little bit of a change, and I love it now. It gets 50 miles to the gallon. I never have to stop for gas hardly. It's great you know being a hybrid.
I don't have that range what do you call it? Range anxiety. Yes so EV is next its baby steps. But like I said we got to get the public has to be there and wait for them to be there. It has to be reliable dependable and cheap so we've got to get there.
I'm not sure if all of you have gone. I just wanted to so for the record, I think it's noble to have goals of 40 or 50% wherever your board chooses but I just want to make sure the staff gets to say what happens. So one, I know we've been saying it's difficult to even reach the 40%, but I hear what the board is saying if we could double down on our efforts, but it has been difficult for us to even reach the 40%. Or we would have done it by now.
And so reaching the 50% is aspirational. But I wanted to just hear from Ashley if we, if the board does go in that direction and we do a plan for 50%. We talked about the EIR but what are there any negative ramifications that could occur?
Yeah, the one concern that we should be aware of is that we do come back at a regular every three years and provide an inventory update. And so if you're not showing significant progress or going in the opposite direction, that's when it could be a problem to be able to continue tiering. So if we're going to move towards these goals, we do just have to be aware of that potential
And the second thing is that I first want to applaud the staff. I thought it was a great report and I've told them already that was well done in towards the back. That's not shown in our PowerPoint as an implementation of different all the different measures there's a lot of different measures. There's lots of different things we could do with kind of range of dollar amounts that we haven't been able we haven't quantified yet. That's why the staff is asking for further reports but I just looked at 48 of the 66 measures have general fund as the resource. So that makes me a little nervous.
It doesn't mean it doesn't talk about how much so 73 percent of the measures are saying general fund would be the resource required. So obviously this is something that we'd have to talk about and so that's why I asked Ashley if the board is sincere about doing this and I know you are we would want to have some range so that we can work on future budgets of what amounts of money this would be required.
And I, you know my really my suggestion on the further study is to put it in. In your hands. I mean I think that this for this to work. This has got to be the there's gotta be more of a role for the CEO to lead us you know and you guys have done some big efforts but every department will take it more seriously if If, if community developments you know analysis is backed up by the you know the institution from top to bottom. And so I would want to just give you the wherewithal to say okay we need an analysis of this but not of this and maybe because it's hard you know you look at the price tag for all three of those you guys we could do a capital project for that amount including one that would reduce emissions.
You know, I guess that's why I thought that. It should be driven by, okay what's our next bit of analysis? And there's at least two areas that have been talked about. Carbon sequestration and ag and carbon capture for whether those are parts of this plan that are underexplored which may be good to be out there as well for analysis.
Chair Williams, if I could just comment. I think we would be supportive of option A doing the county government cost analysis because it would help us in terms of trying to identify how many FTEs costs involve more detailed costs. It will still have some level of variability because there's just so many different factors that you have to think of thinking of upfront costs, lifecycle costs energy that's being used at different times But it could be a good tool for budget, for being able to prepare for that.
I would just ask that you know to give us flexibility that because that particular analysis this is a six to eight month lead time that we could bring back the cap and adopt it before that gets fully completed.
Okay I could go for that Supervisor Hartman?
And then that study would feed into next year's budget, I assume. That would be kind of the purpose of it. Well, I still think a complete inventory and including stationary sources we do have some stationary sources that we operate. Tejigawas, the landfill. And Resources Center. I fully support maintaining the goal, I think we have to do everything we can and I think this discussion has been very helpful in focusing on charging infrastructure and I guess I don't have a very good sense of how the state and federal money flows to our citizens, our residents And how we can help to educate them more about what's available.
But if that's what we need for adoption, then at least in terms of electric vehicles and charging infrastructure and solarizing Battery storage because if you can close that loop, you can really reduce your costs and that really gets to the equity issue. And financial issues so I'd like to see more done in that respect. I'm sort of waiting for the mailer to come.
What could I be entitled to? So what more can I do? And I heard a talk, I think Garrett was there. We really need to do a lot more on heat pumps. We've got to make a transition in that very quickly and that really requires Really those who install sell and install, and I think there's an opportunity for a lot more to be done. So we have a lot of measures and I guess what I'm still struggling with is what is our focus? Where are we going to invest your time? Where can we get the community partners aligned?
And so Among all those different measures, where can we really make huge inroads? Because I think you reach a threshold and then things will happen very quickly. And I think we're getting there on EVs. So those are my comments.
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Supervisor Nielsen? Yes, there's one question that didn't get addressed today was the natural gas bans. And I think it's important for the public to know what's going on with that. It's something that I know there's conversations going on up there. How does that work with this? I'm sorry, I should ask that question a little earlier. Could you please speak to that?
Sure. So for a little bit of context, the city of Berkeley was the first jurisdiction in the state of California to utilize a municipal ordinance citing health and safety authority to restrict the extension of natural gas infrastructure for new construction That was adopted in 2019 and it was challenged by the California Restaurant Association. And then it went to, the local court had upheld the policy and then it was appealed.
It went to the Ninth Circuit. of the three-member panel that reviewed that, and then they overturned the policy in favor of the California Restaurant Association. And so now the City of Berkeley has appealed or applied or requested for a full panel review. So that'll take some time to still sift out if there will be a different change of opinion on that. So what's happening now is that local jurisdictions are So there's different jurisdictions who have policies that are kind of electric friendly and then there are some jurisdictions that have electric required. And so the ones that are, that have modeled their policy after City of Berkeley are essentially pausing or pulling back on those policies.
We were in the process of doing so as well. We're in the process of developing a similar policy, as you know. And we've also kind of put a pause on that process. What we're doing is we're still working with other jurisdictions across the state to consider what are our alternatives and how do we still kind of meet the intent and objectives Advancing building home construction and non-commercial construction that is as low carbon as possible, and also avoiding kind of the legal risks that the city of Berkeley has encountered. What we also understand is that the current lawsuit is limited to the city of Berkeley.
So it really only technically affects their policy, but obviously once you have a legal precedent, it establishes a lot more inertia for other lawsuits to come out for other jurisdictions.
Okay, thank you for that. I think it's good for the public to hear the status of that issue. Just getting back to the 40-50% issue. I kind of see this like the housing element update where we have more sites identified so that we can at least hit our number and so that's kinda... So I'm not afraid of a 50% number. I'm not afraid of a 60% number because we have a 40%, it's really way out there by the state requirements. So I don't mind those aspirational things.
Ultimately these policies will come to the board. We'll deal with those each as they come to us, hopefully that we can keep the 40% number and have a programmatic EIR. If we can't, um, we need to be able to weigh those decisions so my vote today is not really about the 40 or 50%. I could go either way. My vote's really about studying and looking at the dollars. Um, I absolutely support the CEO's request to look at those numbers especially for the county but I think it's We should also be looking at that for the general public because I think when we look at these reduction numbers, we have to see what does a dollar cost to ourselves and the public to implement those things. And really choose the high value targets that are really worth the restriction or what that might do to the public or what it might do to the county.
So I think we should weigh those things out and prioritize them by getting what's in a quantitative way so we get the most bang for our buck You know it's really to me that's kind of an economic impact report. And that's kind of what we've been looking for on some of these things I think that's a great way to marry the science with the economics to really drive some really good policy here.
I worry that a lot of it might be highly speculative. I think of the APCD where we just heard about the electric buses and they're, they just got that information recently about what it you know comparing electric to gas and the huge difference in what it is to operate over time so I think sometimes you can study things early before you've got a lot of data, and it's very speculative. And so you can't really rely on it fully. And if we took these studies in sequence, I think we would have better data to use and more reliable data.
So are you suggesting that we do a. Start with A immediately and then look at B sort of down the line? I mean, I'm good with that. I do want to do B. I would like to have better numbers and I and I've just seen enough of these consulting reports that I am little cynical about them. I feel like there's It's clear what needs to be done, you know. And they might be helpful so I could go for a motion like that. Supervisor Nielsen?
Well... I'm struggling with that because obviously we do reports all the time and it's kind of what we rely on environmental impact reports yes there none of them are perfect you know we can't anticipate everything But I do think we're going to make good decisions. Right now, we're flying somewhat blind right into some big policy issues and I think especially with these ramifications potentially would be it's pretty important. I mean we just put aside a few hundred thousand dollars for these types of efforts in the county this is you know just last week or two weeks ago there are funds available to do these reports. I think we should so I'm I would need to be I need to see both of those to move forward with this one for my vote. Supervisor Caput.
I mean can we can we quantify the cost of not doing anything. I mean I just want to I have some questions about how we measure community costs when many of the costs will be private. We're bringing in all this leveraging all these federal and state dollars. I appreciate the CEO's request to have a government cost analysis but I think if they go further than that at this stage I certainly don't want those studies to delay anything because that's often what studies can do and I'm not suggesting that that's the intent here I'm comfortable with A here, but not the rest.
I can I just make a make it maybe maybe a suggestion of just that. That's you know you'd have my vote on on on B in the future. I just hope you come come with us. I'm committed to it. I think it sets a really good precedent for us all to be moving and you have me to the hill. Just you know I think it would be good to get more substantiation of what The methodology I'm just looking, I'm just thinking of the two studies that you guys commissioned.
Only one of which was on the board for community choice aggregation. In retrospect both of them were wildly inaccurate. Like wildly inaccurate. Now everything turned out good because one of those studies was wildly inaccurately negative and another one was wildly inaccurately positive but they were both wrong so let's just make sure that we're going to analyze the right thing before we go for B I think A is real clear, is more clear what we need to Analyze.
Well
is that good enough?
If I go ahead and move forward with support today, I want to be very clear. I don't plan on supporting any of these policies until I have those numbers so even if we come back and do this work over the next few months, I'm not going to feel comfortable moving forward with some of these policies. The TR policies or some of the bans that are in here Or maybe even some of the investments that we need to make on the county side unless I really see those numbers. So, um, I think we need data to make good decisions right now. The decision we're making today is an aspirational goal and I can support that but if you are hoping for my vote in the future and getting unanimous support from this board on those various policies i'm going to need to have more data and we're gonna have to really look at them and vet out the impacts not only for county governance but for the private sector as well.
Let me see if I could include B in this way. How about a motion that we approve the Climate Action Plan with 50% as the goal, the study A moving forward on study A and more analysis and substantiation of what would be studied in B? Work on our scope. Yeah work on our scope.
Supervisors, just to clarify the actions today. You're not approving the Climate Action Plan? You're giving direction to staff on the draft so they can go back and finalize a Climate Action Plan with the right goal level and then providing direction on studies.
So it would be approval of the draft climate action plan with 50% and recommending going forward with A and improving the scoping for B.
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And Chair Williams, members of the board for clarification. I believe A is referencing D1 in the board letter conduct county government cost analysis costs range $45,000 to $60,000. Is that correct?
That's right and then B is this study just
down
below it.
So can I get some clarity since we're giving direction here? If the comment about carbon sequestration, is that something that is going to move forward as something I think I heard that's already somewhat in the plan as it is.
Yes there are measures related to carbon sequestration and I did just also want to acknowledge Supervisor Hartman's request include information regarding stationary sources
I'm OK with including that in the motion. So can I get a motion? Can I get a second?
Second. Supervisor, sorry on D small to conduct community cost analysis and you talked about scope. So what is the further action you'd like staff to do on the scope?
That what that scope and analysis would include and bring it back to us.
So bring it back to the board. And I'm looking at Ms. Watkins to make sure she's got that.
Yeah, I'm trying to understand what that would look like. I'm hearing some different things. I am hearing that there is desire from some board members to have some time for us to get more accurate data before we move forward with the community study.
I think the question is do you feel like these studies are. I get a sense from your presentation that you don't have supreme confidence in the accuracy of these studies as they are right now and
whether we have concerns about whether they would provide the information that I think Supervisor Nelson is looking for. I don't know that we can. Get there with, you know, so many variables. Um, I think the 1 related to county costs might be a little bit more helpful which is why I feel like moving forward with that 1 makes sense and. Having that one completed or at least having some sort of draft of it to see in practice what it actually looks like and if it's getting to what we want before.
We move forward with the other studies because sometimes you have something in your mind about what you think it will be, but the consultant has a different idea even if you have what you think is a really clear scope.
So would your if our goal? Is to Be able to counsel the public on what is the best bang for the buck. For their buck. What do you think the next step could be?
I mean, I'm hearing from Supervisor Nelson that he feels really strongly about that. My suggestion would be for us, you know, I don't know if we could have a little bit more of kind of like a skeleton of what this county cost one would look like and if that would, we could bring that back when we bring the, you know, the cap back for final adoption. And then at that time, we could get some direction on, you More details on the community cost. I just don't want to move forward and quit and then have it not be what you want.
Absolutely, if it's approval to Supervisor Nelson that's agreeable to me so your course of action we will adopt as part of the
motion.
Is there a second?
Seconded.
Okay, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you.
Chair my apologies I just need a little further clarification if we can so we're approving staff recommendations A through D one and two with that additional direction.
We're doing one and then the staff's recommendation on handling two
Supervisors, just for the clerk's clarification. So I believe what you're saying is staffs recommended actions A through D, D1 and 2 and on staff recommend item C which is which level to choose, you chose 50%. Is that helpful? Jacqueline?
Yes, yes. And confirming the maker of the motion was Bob.
My seconder was Hartman.
Thank you.
Okay. Great, one more. B7.
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Chair Williams and members of the board, departmental item number seven as previously read into the record that was added to our agenda on Friday is sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Capps. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an ordinance to amend County Code Chapter 44 to revise Article 4 just cause for residential evictions and add Article 5 mandatory right of first refusal and mandatory offer residential lease.
Morning Chair Williams and supervisors. I'm Spencer Brandt with the office of Supervisor Williams and with me is Jordan Killebrew with Office of Supervisor Caps. We're here to provide a overview of the ordinance to amend Chapter 44 landlords and tenants rights and duties.
Next slide please. Thank you.
All right. Good afternoon. As you're likely aware tenants in Summerlin, Gleda and Isla Vista have received termination of tenancy notices in the last number of weeks and months. This follows a trend that we continue to see in the South Coast municipalities which has become more prominent as our rental house housing vacancy rate has fallen to less than 2.6. That was in the census of 2019 and as we know is now around two percent Prior to this year, Chapter 44 was significantly amended in 2010. This was a bold action by the Board of Supervisors then to require that landlords provide relocation assistance equal to three months or rent over $7000, whichever is greater, to tenants when terminating a tenancy.
In April this year, just a few months ago, the Board of Supervisors took action to enact the Just Cause Eviction Ordinance that requires landlords to obtain all permits for substantial remodel prior to terminating a tenancy for that reason. This mirrors but also goes above and beyond California Civil Code 1946 otherwise known as Tenant Protections Act of 2019 The desire to preserve affordable housing stock has been a longstanding policy of many housing elements adopted by the Board of Supervisors.
As a result of these termination of tenancies, the county unincorporated areas are facing a loss of what has been termed naturally occurring affordable housing which is distinct from price controlled or sometimes referred to as capital A affordable housing. Naturally occurring affordable housing units meet the needs of low income renters due to some combination of their location size condition for the building and length of the time tenants have lived there.
The California Housing Partnership estimates that Santa Barbara County has lost 754 of these naturally occurring affordable units over the last three years and is at risk of losing over 2,000 more in the next two years.
So this brings us to the first of the three changes that this ordinance makes. This ordinance would require that landlords in certain apartments offer tenants a one-year lease. When tenants enter a one year lease, they are provided with more certainty about the term of their tenancy and they are afforded the full suite of tenant protections that are entitled to them under state law. Oftentimes tenants are only offered a month-to-month lease or a lease that is less than 12 months And that can limit their access to those state protections. This ordinance would not compel a landlord and a tenant to accept the 12-month lease, it would simply require that the 12 months lease be offered. We recognize that for some landlords and tenants a shorter term lease may offer more flexibility and that option is not being precluded.
Under this proposed ordinance, there is a set process for the timing of which these agreements will be offered. There are also limitations that prevent this section from applying in certain circumstances such as for temporary sub-leasers. Recommended action D additionally includes direction to the Community Services Department to prepare sample forms to be posted on the county's website for tenants and landlords to use when they want to opt out of the one year lease.
Next slide. The second aspect of the ordinance is the requirement that landlords offer tenants the first right of refusal to release a unit if they have had their tenancy ended under one of the no fault provisions. These circumstances include substantial remodel, owner family move-ins and removal from the rental market. Under California's Costa Hawkins Rental Housing Act, local jurisdictions are prohibited from enacting what is sometimes called as vacancy control. Meaning that if a union becomes vacant the county is not authorized to place limits on what the rental price is set to for the new tenancy.
The proposed ordinance does however include language that the terms of the offer to return must be in accordance with California state rent stabilization regulations when those are applicable. Lastly, the ordinance builds on action that the board took on April 6 to enact just cause protections. The need for a substantial remodel is one of the commonly relied upon reasons an owner can use to perform a no fault eviction.
Under existing law, cosmetic improvements already do not meet the definition of substantial remodel. But the purpose of this proposal is to further clarify that the definition to state that a substantial remodel must be for the primary purpose of bringing a unit into compliance with applicable health and safety codes.
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And that brings us to the end of our presentation. The recommended action for board to consider is the introduction of the ordinance, waive further reading of the ordinance in full, set an administrative agenda hearing to consider adoption on July 11th, determine the proposed action is not a project under CEQA and direct community service department staff to prepare lease offer rejection forms for landlords and tenants to use and post them on the county website.
OK, I want Alexander Hague here. I'm taking over these two young guys. They didn't even smile. They don't know that it is. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for that questions from the board. I can't see this lights on. So just Supervisor Hartman, I think your light's on.
Yes. So does this apply to single family
residences or just apartments?
This, the ordinance has a lengthy section of which types of units it applies to. And I don't have the direct copyright in front of me but single family homes with less than two units it does not apply to.
Anybody else? Supervisor Nielsen.
Yeah, I'm curious on that definition. So this does not apply to a single family home or one with maybe like an ADU? Is that what you're, is that, or Ms.
Richardson? Mr. Chair and the board so the current exemption would exempt family owner occupied residences including both of the following. So a residence in which the owner occupant rents or leases no more than two units or bedrooms Including but not limited to an ADU or a junior ADU. And then the second option is a mobile home,
so... So let's say a landlord moves out of their house and they're going to rent out their house. Does that get caught in here? A single family home?
Mr. Chair and Supervisor Nelson I believe so.
That's good to clarify. The next question was on the NOAA numbers, the 2,000 units that are at risk of falling out of the naturally occurring affordable housing. Is that just because the market rate continues to rise? Why is that what we're anticipating?
Supervisor Nielsen through the chair. I think the California housing partnership study cites that these rent evictions are one of the reasons and perhaps the primary reason why we are at risk of those units becoming not no longer naturally occurring affordable housing units.
And my last question is, I think I understood this correctly so a remodel that would be subject to Just what's the term to be able to evict somebody for a remodel. That only has to be the health and safety code so they couldn't be doing some kind of remodel or upgrade that would something else if they're adding a bedroom or an addition, that would not be something that would qualify for them to be able to do an eviction is that what I understand? Is this you said health and safety code was the limiting
Supervisor Nelson through the chair. Yeah, the language states that the renovations must be for the primary purpose of bringing the unit into compliance with applicable health and safety codes in the board action that took place on April 6th. There are a variety of examples of types of things that would qualify and also some things that would not qualify, such as cosmetic improvements.
Thank you for a good presentation.
Supervisor Lavinia, thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, I just want to follow up on that because it seems to be a sticking point with a lot of people and So you don't need to pull a permit for just something that's a cosmetic situation, if you're just painting a room or something like that. It made sense to me that if you had to go get a permit then you had to show the tenant that you had the permit.
That kind of was at least a bar that yes I went and got the permit it paid for it and we are going to do this substantial work but when saying it's only for building health and safety codes I'm not sure why anybody then would ever keep their property up doing any substantial remodels unless it got me. It's almost like, it almost feels like we're incentivizing people to kind of let it go until he gets to the point where it's a health issue and that's like okay now you can go in and do something because we are providing the tenant with protection I'm just kind of curious why if anybody has that answer, why are we in that boat instead of you know just if you get a permit. You have because we do give people protection. You have to pay for someone to be able to leave and provide is it three months for someone to rent somewhere else before they come back?
So that seems like a lot of protection to me and I'm just curious this one just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm not sure what the reasoning is
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I flagged this, thank you Supervisor Lavagnino. I flagged this question as well as my understanding is that most renovations fall under this category because they do all have to abide by health and safety codes so if I'm misunderstanding that from council or from the staff working on this that's my understanding is that it's a pretty broad category because everything that you would do has to And I think if we're going to try to.
Slow down the gentrification of a number of naturally occurring affordable rental stock in our community. There has to be a disincentive to simply Upgrade the clientele. And you know, and I put that in quotation marks because it means that the goal should not be to get rid of someone like me to get someone who has a lot more money right? Or I guess maybe the to get rid of the kind of kid I was to get somebody who has a lot more money which feels like it is often what is taking place
I
guess that's what the argument is. Is I feel like if I bought a piece of property, it's an investment. I want to use it for its highest use and yeah, yeah, I guess that's just a philosophical difference but I get it. We have public
comment.
Chair Williams and members of the board, yes we have 12 requests to speak on this item
and I will close public comment.
And we are going to begin in Santa Barbara with Stanley Stankoff to be followed by Daisy Beeman on Zoom.
Hello Chair Williams, members of the Board, staff and fellow members of the public. I am here joining you again as a renter who cares deeply about our community and as a core member of the Santa Barbara Tenants Union. I'm here after what you witnessed has been particularly exhausting in high stakes few months supporting the tenants in Isla Vista. who are in the crosshairs of a belligerent, multi-billion dollar flipper developer. We're here for them.
We're also here for the many other people like them and unlike them in our past, present and future. And I think you'll agree that we're here to set out the best policy that we can that will best protect our community from the dangerous levels of greed and tighten up the insidiously enabling regulatory framework that respectfully needs to get with the times I'll highlight just the proposed changes that I and many other tenants and tenant advocates, as well as many other organizations including CODS, SBCAN, and tenants together hope you will give serious consideration to make this draft ordinance much more effective.
So first and foremost we'd like you to please include a limit on how much rent can be increased Once a tenant returns to their unit after renovation. After careful consultation with experts in this legal field from around the state, we're confident that this is totally legally possible. It's strategically sound and morally imperative. And to your concern I think rightfully Supervisor Lavanino, Williams and Capps This is another reason to cap the rate at which rent can be increased upon return. It further actually aligns the intent of this policy so that people aren't using this as a loophole to upgrade the clientele, as you mentioned.
We know the large rent increases are de facto evictions. And so if we're here to protect a little remotely affordable housing stock in our region and to protect tenants from being pushed out, which I know we are, we need to pass a common sense policy that allows safety and habitability renovations that take place that aren't also loopholes to more bad actors who are just trying to jack up the rent. So the second issue that I'd like to mention and to echo Legal Aid Foundation's concerns, I also worry about an increase in eviction activity before this ordinance goes into effect. There are legal and effective ways this ordinance can be amended to help reduce this impact that are not reflected here.
On the first point on the rent cap, I also want to mention that almost all jurisdictions that have protections similar to this allow a tenant to move back in at the same rent once repairs are completed. Most do not even allow the landlord to reset the rent after eviction even if the tenant doesn't move back in and a new tenant moves in instead. I speak for so many others in commending your interest and initiative in addressing the enormous challenges and such a precarious housing landscape that continues to be so tough for most of us.
The ordinance before you is a really strong start but requires some important changes again please. Thank
You Stanley, that is your time
thank
you. And my apologies but before we go to zoom I am going to a speaker here in Santa Maria Philip Taviani.
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Distinguished
Board, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. You know I come before the board today in dignity and courtesy and respect and I appreciate and I'm grateful for this. My name is Philip Tabiana and I am a local of Santa Barbara County. I was born or raised here and I've been a tenant. 100% understand the complexities there with tenant relations, government relations and owner relations I'm an active member of the community and I do practice service above self. It's something that I live by, teach my children that.
I also feed my family in real estate and that's what pays the bills both me and my wife so this matter is important to us as a family but then also as a community member before you but then also I do serve as the general manager plus property management And so items such as this are on our radar. We do track these items and I think that, and I'm only going to speak to the mandatory offer of residential lease not the rent eviction stuff. That's, I understand what your intention there but for the mandatory offer residential lease, I really would just say that the impact of this is far reaching and it's impactful not only to owners and property management companies but also to tenants.
Tenants are impacted by this And some of the unintended consequences aren't known and they're not known for a long time. And we have to live with all the fallout from all this. Again, I understand your intention but it doesn't help owner and tenant relations in these types of measures specifically this residential lease part of this. And I would just say in closing that there's gotta be a better way to accomplish goals.
There's gotta be a better way to work together, and that's what I'm offering here. I'm actually saying today that I'll volunteer as a committee member, I'll volunteer as a panel to figure out a better way than to drive this thing all the way through today or in the future. And I would propose that we hold this in abeyance And if the ship has already sailed and it's not going to get held in advance, just the piece I'm talking about.
Thank
you sir.
I would say
that
we reconvene shortly six months a year.
Thank you sir and thank you for your letter and for the patience of sitting tight all day. We noticed that.
We will now go to Zoom with Daisy Beeman to be followed by Linda Honigman.
Good afternoon to the Board Chair,
Supervisors and staff. I am Daisy Beaman a District 2 renter. And I appreciate your actions to protect renters in our affordable housing supply. I'm here to urgently request for my family and my friends at the board consider including essential missing elements in the proposal Especially the policy to number one, limit the amount of rent that can be raised when a unit is re-rented after a renovation.
It is crucial to put a cap on the increase in order to curb homelessness caused by simply displacing tenants with evictions or rent hikes. Homelessness prevention necessitates Stronger renter protections. Please consider integrating this exclusion into the present plan or including it in a separate resolution to add it at a later date. Number two, for the protection to be effective, it must apply at all stages of the eviction process for both current and future renters.
The proposed audience aims to protect tenants who are facing evictions, that including those in CBC and the sweeps in Isla Vista. Thank you so much for listening.
We will now go to Linda Honigman to be followed by Tony Leong. Linda?
Hi Supervisors, I'm Linda Honigman and will be sharing comments from the League of Women Voters of Santa Barbara. We support the staff's recommendations to add language to the existing ordinance that requires landlords to offer tenants a one-year lease allows tenants the right of first refusal to return to their apartments and clarifies what constitutes a substantial remodel but we believe two other additions are needed Lower income housing is our greatest need and most at risk of conversion.
Non-profits and the housing authorities struggle to compete with outside corporations to purchase cheaper apartment buildings. As a result, naturally occurring affordable housing is being converted into expensive market rate housing. The situation that happened in Ivey is not unique. According to the California Housing Partnership, the state's unregulated low-income housing has increasingly been a target for acquisition and conversion by for profit entities seeking to maximize rent.
Currently the county has nearly 7000 units of naturally affordable low income housing in multifamily buildings. And at least 2,000 of those with low-income households are at immediate risk of conversion to high priced rentals. Also according to the state's HCD between 2018 and 22 there were only 48 low income units built in the unincorporated county compared to 506 market rate units.
Given these trends the county should employ strategies to stop corporate conversions and protect our renters. Therefore, we encourage the board to consider adding clarification to the ordinance that one caps the amount of rent increase a landlord can charge when a tenant wants to return after remodel and two provides protections to tenants throughout the eviction process. Thank you.
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We will now go to Tony Leong to be followed by Joe Armadaris. And Tony, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments. All righty, Tony if you're having technical difficulties so you can please call my office at 805-568-2240. Again that's 568-2240 otherwise we will go to Joe Armendariz to be followed by Frank Rodriguez. Joe?
Yes good afternoon Supervisors, Joe Armandariz well first question I have for you is is to what extent we want to put Items like this of such importance you know on a on a Friday agenda. You know a few days before the hearing I mean I know that you know one of my clients was quite startled when they when they found out that you were contemplating making one year leases mandatory now obviously that's not what's being proposed here simply that they would be required to offer a one year lease and that was important to my client frankly because she pointed out that in the case of her tenants 90 percent for tenants when offered a one year lease versus what month to month choose month to month. So you know so we're obviously very very happy that that's not a mandate.
The other thing too and I was reminded of Supervisor Labanino's Alexander Hay comment, I remember Ronald Reagan who said the nine scariest words of the English language is we're from the government and we're here to help And I guess, you know, my question is that on something as important as our housing stock and specifically our rental housing stock to what extent do you want to have? Maybe you do. And I apologize if this is the case but maybe it would be better to have a stakeholder process involved and get people like my client and the gentleman who spoke at the podium a few minutes ago engaged in looking for ways to make affordability better more rampant You know, and it wouldn't be a Joe Armendariz two-minute comment to you if I didn't suggest that at some point we ought to think about how we might make it so that more people could afford their own home versus just renting.
And I'm thinking about your item a few hours ago with respect to the cannabis industry and the need for economic development. You know, you and the Chair and Supervisor Lavanino, I think have done a great job Introducing economic development into the county and I think that really is the way to try to create more wealth, more prosperity and more opportunity for everybody. Thank you.
We will now go to Frank Rodriguez to be followed by Alex. And tricking Frank.
Good afternoon, Chair Williams and Supervisors. My name is Frank Rodriguez. I'm with CAWS, the Central Coast Alliance United for Sustainable Economy and resident of District 2 of the county where we, of course, sent our letter alongside with the Santa Barbara Tenants Union SVCAN and tenants together I really wanted to focus on one, we appreciate and urge the County Board of Supervisors to continue to live and work with this because we know that there's a lot to learn from other cities that have implemented such laws. Because what we're trying to do of course is trying to close the loopholes with bad actors that are trying to get tenants out of affordable units that are already in our county We believe that all these properties can always have fixes and renovations that happen.
We're not against that, especially with having such older housing stock throughout the county. However we're talking about those points where decisions are being made to have families move out of units. We need to make sure that we're very clear with both landlords and tenants so folks can make These plans that are long term to know that when they're going to be evicted. Um, there's a reason and adjust reason for that. So we appreciate especially the offices of Williams and caps for and their staff. For being so diligent and listening to the stories.
And really want to elevate also the Santa Barbara Tenants Union who have been working daily with these cases and are noticing where we need to close those loopholes because the most affordable housing stock we have right now is where our farm workers, where our domestic workers, where service industry is currently renting. So we want to make sure that's in place as we continue to work with the housing element and get that housing stock we need in the long term. So I really want to thank the supervisors and for your time. Thank you.
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We will now go to Alex Entrecken to be followed by Michael Sun. Alex.
Good afternoon Chair
Williams board and staff who've worked diligently and have presented a real significant change from conversations that People in the tenant union and people like myself who work with tenants every day have been having and have been suffering through recently. I thank I think the board for the consideration and the staff for the steps they've taken this amendment addresses an urgent and necessary problem long term tenants living in rent cap departments will continue to live under threat of displacement and erasure from our community We don't add these changes and keep adding more until the elective removal of rent caps is banned. We'll not be able to protect our homes in the county's housing supply and will not see significant investment in new affordable housing because all the investment is coming in to flip tenants out of their homes in a regulatory arbitrage scheme.
That's what we're seeing in Isla Vista it's what we're seeing in the city and we're seeing it all around the state These amendments are a huge help. I urge the board to consider allowing tenants to come back with a temporary relocation without protections from abuse of deferred maintenance as Supervisor Lavagnino mentioned that deferred maintenance could become a store of value Tenants in neglected homes can be chilled from requesting repairs or reporting to code enforcement. Owners could deregulate rent by ignoring maintenance requests and paying a small relocation fee.
This is a critical protection, it's critical to housing that it be habitable, that tenants can make requests and it's critical to this regulatory scheme. And the Costa-Hawkins Rental Act does place limits on local government but it does not limit the county today There's 25 jurisdictions that regulate this activity. San Francisco, Santa Monica, Los Angeles County, Fairfax, Hayward, City of Los Angeles, Alameda, Sacramento, Commerce, East Palo Alto, Beverly Hills, Oakland, Alameda, Pasadena, Richmond, Berkeley, San Jose, Santa Ana, Union City, Mountain View, West Hollywood, Englewood, Maywood, Culver City and Baldwin Park.
These jurisdictions are not limited by Costa-Hawkins. They allow tenants to temporarily leave and come back. I greatly appreciate the attention to these challenges.
Thank you Alex. We will now go to Michael Sun to be followed by Nadia Abushanab. Michael.
Hello, my name is Michael Sun. I'm a resident of CBC in the Sweeps and I'm going to be houseless in July. I am really glad that the Supervisor in the 5th District brought up the question about health and safety because I would really like to point out the fact that the health and safety question is completely divorced from the question about whether or not tenants should have a right to re-rent And the matter with CBC and the sweeps is very transparent because the fact is they have been trying to remove tenants from this building months before they even applied for the permits that are required for them to bring this building up to health and safety standards. So, they're clearly acting in bad faith And furthermore, even if they were to bring the building back to standard there is no reason why these existing tenants who are set to be houseless should not be allowed to return.
So this is clearly just a ruse to exploit a loophole in California law to raise rents beyond what is allowable by California law and convert these properties to luxury student rentals and if you think that this is helpful for Santa Barbara homeowners That is, I think you need to reconsider because we've looked at this company's playbook. They're doing this thing all across the country where they buy properties converted to housing marketed exclusively towards students that is not good for the housing stock. It does not benefit Santa Barbara homeowners and for the individual who was talking about Unintended consequences for whatever this legislation is. I think for us, those who are living in this building the consequences are definitely very real and so far as we are about to become houseless.
So we really do need this bill and I think we need your help specifically. And I hope we're not confusing with all these questions, the philosophical question of health and safety when this is really just about, are we allowed to return back to our homes? That's what we're concerned about. And so, we hope that you can consider that as you are working through this legislation. Thank you.
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We will now go to Nadia Abushanab and we will return to Tony Leon after Nadia. Nadia?
Hi good afternoon. Can you hear me?
Yes, we can please proceed.
Thank you. My name is Nadia Abu-Shanab. I am here on behalf of Santa Barbara County Action Network, SBCAN. I am also a renter. I live in the city of Santa Barbara and I want to echo what's been said already by the folks from Legal Aid and the League of Women Voters and other tenants calling in about the additional protections and amendments To the ordinance to provide a cap on the rent when folks would be returning from the temporary relocation due to habitability repairs, as well as ensuring these protections exist throughout the whole eviction process. And I just want to also talk about what we're talking about here is for substantial remodels But we're talking about removing a tenant from their home based on no fault. So it's nothing that the tenants have done wrong, they've upheld their end of the bargain, they've complied with everything, they've paid on time and this is about how can the landlord kick out a tenant who has done nothing wrong?
And it makes sense that that should be something that's hard to do, that has to pass a certain level And you can't just do it for no reason. So yes, it shouldn't be allowed to be something that's just cosmetic if the tenant is prepared to continue living there and is happy with that. It makes sense that it would be something that has to be a code violation or somehow substantially improving the home.
And I just also want to say that this wouldn't keep landlords from making improvements Live in a home in Santa Barbara and they just completed renovating both of our bathrooms without removing us from the home. So that is totally possible to do as well. So yeah, I just wanted to say that and thank you so much for your time and consideration of this issue.
We will now return to Tony Leong who's our final speaker on this item.
Thank you. On March the 16th an eviction notice was taped to my front door and for the past several months I have been very busy seeking alternative housing. There is a critical shortage. This is what I found from this experience. There is a critical shortage of affordable one bedroom apartments in Santa Barbara County. I'm elderly and looking for a place with comparable floor space on the ground floor.
I have a medical issue requiring regular and ongoing physical therapy, and I have doctors lifting restriction of five pounds. I would like to find another apartment near my primary care physician and physical therapist in Goleta where I now live. Based on my last housing inspection done by the Housing Authority, my unit is in fine condition and needs no habitability repairs whatsoever.
So it's not even an issue of me needing to leave because of major renovations here. I pay my rent on time, I was homeless for four and a half years. I pay my rent on time. I'm a good neighbor and this unit has been a haven for my emotional stability. And then for core spaces LLC to push everybody out like this it's reprehensible And I didn't expect to get so emotional, but I've been keeping all this inside. Nobody knew anything about my circumstances, but now I'm opening up and sharing these things.
And I just want to say that the tenants union, these people are really caring. They're very supportive of each other. They really care and they want all of us to have a decent quality of life And I agree fully that there has been a lot of greed. I've seen it here, I've seen it in different places. I saw it when my house was taken away by a predatory lender and with my inheritance. It was also stolen away.
I see what greed does to people I see what it does to people's hearts. And I'm just asking that you give the people that are here a cap so that if they're able to return, if they want to return here, that there'll be able to afford it and it won't be double what we're paying now. Thank you.
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And that concludes public comment on this item. And just for the record, if you are a member of the public and you did just recently register we did close public comment on this item at 412. Thank you.
Supervisor Hartman
I'll go first. I keep thinking about Supervisor Lavinino's question if you're investing and you want to upgrade, and I have two answers I think to that. The first is that if you are investing as a business, you get not only the rent but the depreciation so you're going to make money. In fact, that's one of the issues is that homes have become a commodity and a good place for people to invest But I also think it's our duty as the board to think about the balance of housing that we have in our county and our community. And clearly where we need housing is low and moderate income housing, and so I'm prepared to support this.
UC San Francisco just did the largest study ever done of homelessness in the US since the mid-90s And what they found is looking at the causes and the consequences, we just heard the heart-wrenching consequences. But one of the, you know, preventing homelessness in the first place and one of the things they say is expand and strengthen eviction protections. So if we don't want people in Hope Village, we got to figure out ways to keep them in their units now.
And so I'm voting for this. I think what it does is it uses The. Fullest authority that we can to do under existing law all we can to protect tenants and I think that's what we have to do.
Thank you for that Supervisor Harmon and thanks to Supervisor Williams for partnering with me on this and to our staff for putting this all together. And I have to say County Council, thank you so much for all the advice. This was a lot of work going into this with an urgency because of the urgency that people are facing and yeah it's rough out there we need to be doing one of the advocates put it to me very plainly the best way to keep Low-income housing is to keep people where they are. And this is helping people stay where they want to stay, paying their rent diligently, dealing with the pressures. We know the statistics. Santa Barbara County is the sixth most expensive county—not the city of Santa Barbara but the county—is the sixth most expensive county to live in in the entire United States.
The City of Santa Barbara has the highest rents in the entire United States of any small city. The squeeze is on these tenants and vacancy rate is 1%. We've seen it in Isla Vista, we see it in every corner of this county honestly and so I think that this is a step in the right direction. doing their job of saying, hey, what you did with the emergency ordinance was important. But there's more a more holistic approach. A lot of this is following on best practices elsewhere, including the city of Santa Barbara, which has this 12 month option for a lease. We're just looking to make sure that people can stay in their homes when they are playing by the rules. We want to make sure that the landlords are playing by their rules and I appreciate the work that's going into this and of course give it my support
Supervisor Nielsen. Yes, thank you Chair Williams again a great presentation and I know that the intention here is well intended. I think the stories that we heard from some of these various tenants are really heart-wrenching and I do feel for them. That said there are you know the law of unintended consequences is not just a legal theory or sorry an economic theory You know, study after study. I know University of San Francisco may say that eviction protections is one of the ways to prevent homelessness but for decades it's economics 101 that's when the first things that they work through with first year college students is does rent control actually lead to more affordable housing and actually it doesn't. It leads to less investment in affordable housing because there's additional risk additional incentive for landlords to rent their properties or to invest in those properties.
And so even though it sounds good on the front end, you know there's a philosophical concept out there that I prescribe too that this ultimately leads to less investment The way for us to deal with those that are at risk of losing the naturally occurring affordable housing is really, is to build more housing. Is to build, to streamline our processes so that people can invest in housing at a lower price point. One of the reasons why it's so expensive to live here is because we've made it very hard to build here for years and years and that's one of the reasons why it's so beautiful when I get that but those are some of the consequences that we have because of those decisions address those things.
We need to again continue to build the housing element update is one of those opportunities that we're going to be doing as a board but you also need to streamline our processes for more additional housing and also promote programs eventually lead to homeownership. You know can't evict somebody that owns their home. I mean that's one of those fundamental things and it's something I'm a big fan of I know there's a lot of new innovative programs out there towards that. I think about the sweeps in CDC, I did the math at one point and each of those units they were condo eyes would have been about $300,000 to buy at the purchase price that they had which would have been pretty affordable unit in the South Coast.
And so, but unfortunately we've created a process now where it's hard to condoize properties in the state of California and there's a lot of legal reasons for that. But these things do have unintended consequences that I'm afraid is gonna lead to results that are less desirable and not what we intend to. So I do appreciate the authors and First and Second District for bringing this forward. I know where your heart's at.
I just had a little bit different view on this and I won't be able to support that today.
Supervisor Lavinia. Thank you Mr. Chair, well I think first off I want to say I totally understand and coming from the situation that you were both confronted with makes a lot of sense for where we are right now. I think what we kind of got into though is we're trying to attack a corporation But we're writing a countywide ordinance. And so the problem is, I think this South County and North County have two different situations when it comes to housing.
I would not be able to live down there myself. So I mean, I totally understand where folks are coming from and some of those testimony was heartbreaking but Supervisor Nelson's right. You know we were here and none of us will commit to wanting to build more housing with the housing element demands of us that you know we always say we want to do the minimum projects everybody's upset that the builders remedy is out there and folks are building More apartments because we didn't get to weigh in where those were going to be and what they were going to look like.
So that's kind of what gets us into these situations though I just have a philosophical and I know I'm in the minority here, I get it but I don't understand and I've been a tenant 90 percent of my life. I don't understand a world where you would think a landlord Would want to renovate a property and then bring the tenant back at the same price that they were renting it for.
No, I know but that's what some of the speakers are asking for because I think that's what some people would have liked to have done but then said okay well we can't do that, we have to bring you back at a different price. But still, I still hear from public comment that it's like well I should be able to come back at the same... It just doesn't meet economic Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If I was the landlord, it'd be like, I'm investing in this. I want to see return.
Fundamentally, the reason why I can't support it though is that I think that if we continue there, there is definitely a balance trying to find the balance between the landlord and the tenant. And it already is because one has resources and the other one doesn't, it's always going to be skewed to the landlord. But the more we're trying to put our thumb on the scale I think we're going to get to a point where fewer people are going to want to get involved in that business, the fewer people who get involved in that business, the fewer units that there will be in the future driving up the price of the limited stock that's available still. So we're gonna disagree about that and so I wish this was an ordinance that only affected the South County, but it's not going to.
And I do think that some of the things that I've heard that Core Spaces has done totally opposed to the way that I would have approached it and I understand now that if I was a landowner, a landlord anywhere else in the county, I'd be pretty upset with those folks because they have torched off, lit off Situation now that is affected everybody even those that are doing That are taking care of their tenants properly, so I'm not gonna be able to support this I hope against what I believe will happen doesn't happen today. I hope it's successful and I do think that Staff did an awesome job you guys really put together something that Meets what I think your bosses were looking for. Unfortunately, I can't support it but I still think you guys did a great job.
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Well I
want to empathize and appreciate the note of caution. I would prefer that we had the ability have that precaution, that caution I think the most effective way long term of making sure there is affordable rental units is to build affordable rental units and allow affordable rental units to be built. And I do not you know the world we live in as a collective effort Either it is a collective success or a collective set of mistakes. And one of those mistakes I sincerely believe is that the largest market, the City of Santa Barbara had zero production of private apartment buildings for over 40 years and we are still digging our way out of that.
So I also would prefer to, you know, act with restraint so we do not create too much of a disincentive to production. But I do not believe the requirement offer a 12-month lease and they're required to allow folks to return to their rental unit. It constitutes that. And I understand if you believe it does, I just don't think this is an extreme ordinance. I think this is a reasonable response to the conditions at hand and the conditions are at hand are that the working class people of Santa Barbara County are desperate Because this is up to a thousand people at this location, but it is potentially thousands elsewhere. This is not the only case of this happening. It obviously usually goes unnoticed because it usually is in smaller increments and maybe only because of the Coors Bases case has another case come to our attention in Summerlin Where the biggest multifamily apartment in Summerland is being you know all those folks there are being kicked out to create a systematic short term rentals.
And you know as the desperation of Santa Barbara's working class grows I would just be honest my desperation grows because I feel like we need to go to bat for these people So I hope we pass this. I hope we vet the ideas that are presented and we don't just rush to do things that, you know, we will not be able to legally prevail upon but I hope that we will pass this and also direct staff to look at what Similar jurisdictions meaning non charter cities are doing on tenant protections that can potentially apply to our county and strengthen our tenant protection ordinance in the future.
And I do you know as that desperation grows I don't want us to create a disincentive for production but I do want to for us to make sure that these folks that are in these apartments now have someone that is in their corner And that the County of Santa Barbara is batting in their corner.
You'd like to make a motion?
Sure, I'll make the motion of including your direction as you just articulated to staff to track what other jurisdictions if you want to provide the language so I have it correctly or to look at other tenant protections in other Non-chartered counties and cities, is that correct?
Yeah. So the direction would be to pass the ordinance as written and to direct staff to look at what similar jurisdictions are doing on tenant protections that could potentially apply to our county and strengthen our Tenant Protection Ordinance.
Chair Williams I think those of us at the staff table are wondering when you say staff who do you mean?
I'll try to give her a break but I'm looking at it right now I mean, I really do trust our county council's judgment. They, I will tell you just so that the people of the county know they have worked really hard and diligently on this but we don't want to run over a foul of the 10 hour rule and I think she has been quite You know, judicious about applying that in this case. And so that is the reason that is my intention for providing this additional direction is so that Supervisor Caps and I are not abusing the 10 hour rule.
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the way
supervisor.
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Mr Chair and members of the board. So my office and personally am always happy to assist with special projects for the board But this type of project is not the type of project that usually would come to our office. This ordinance actually lives in another department and so we have assisted in making the changes so far my concern is the unintended consequences since we don't Work on all of the other housing programs. We don't have the full picture so we're happy to work. I don't like to volunteer another department, but we're happy to work with community services which is where this ordinance lives. But that would be my recommendation we're always happy to assist departments and help your board but we do not have the full picture for this to take over.
What and we also don't do policy, so I don't feel it should be from our office to make recommendations on what changes should be made. But we can certainly work with the department and they could come with recommendations for you.
Let me maybe articulate the problem a little bit more of the problem is that. This is now an area of great innovation around the state. Unfortunately because the problem is getting so bad everywhere and I don't want to just assume that because some small jurisdiction passes something that it passes constitutional muster I want to rely on our professionals to be able to vet that and give us more of the legal advice about whether these mechanisms are in many cases constitutional or legally permissible in the state of California.
So Mr. Chair, members of the board...
Am I articulating that
well? Yeah, again I where this lies, I'm not the expert on yet. But it seems to me that involving the community services district as the first layer of I mean they do housing policy, they do rental assistance so that would be my preference and certainly anything we do needs to be vetted by council but that would be my preference for where we start with this request.
So then in response to that, I will say direct community services staff to look at what similar jurisdictions are doing on tenant protections that could potentially apply to our county and strengthen our tenant protection ordinance in the future. Is that agreeable?
Second.
Supervisor so we can give that direction when the notes come out, when the minutes come out. But just to clarify is it just being California you're looking for other jurisdictions?
Yeah I mean with Costa Hawkins with all these other things I think it's not super helpful to be looking outside of California but there are a lot of things happening in California precisely because of how bad our rental market is
Supervisor Williams, I would just say we also have an opportunity at the Ledge Committee to keep tracking this and what's happening at the state level.
OK, there
is mud. So there is a motion in a second to pass the ordinance as written on providing staff direction on future work All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed. No. Thank you so much for the discussions today I feel so blessed to have people thoughtful people to serve with
all ideologies. We adjourn to July 11th in Santa Barbara