Board of Supervisors — 2023-09-19

Good morning. I'll call the September 19th, 2023 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors to order and please call the roll.

I move to approve.

Is there a second? Second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? The CEO's report.

Good morning, Chair Williams and board members. We have several reports this morning to start out with this morning. I'm pleased to share with you a video from our county's video series Your County, Your Heroes. It features unsung heroes throughout the county who embody the spirit of selflessness and dedication. The videos in this series are played on Channel 20 throughout the week and are highlighted in our monthly county newsletter on the CSB TV YouTube page and on our social media in both English and Spanish. This morning we are honoring Anthony Rodriguez, who's here today. He is always one of the first people in our community to volunteer and you'll often see him in our EOC so with that we will show the video

Welcome to Santa Barbara County, where extraordinary individuals shine bright. Join us as we celebrate the unsung heroes who embody the spirit of selflessness and dedication from tireless volunteers to dedicated public servants these remarkable individuals inspire us all

My name is Anthony Rodriguez. I'm the Operations and Disaster Services Specialist for the Food Bank of Santa Barbara County. I am also the CERT Program Manager for the Food Bank of Santa Barbara County. I do volunteer also with CERT, the Least Loss program, Our Lady of Guadalupe Church. I am a co-chair for the Safeguard the Children. I also do the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. I'm the chair for the Out of the Darkness Walk and for Santa Barbara Response Network, I'm the co-founder for that organization. Volunteering is something that I think everybody should do because it's very rewarding not just to the person you're helping or somebody that you're helping but to yourself. I wanted to change and I wanted to make a difference so for me that means a lot.

We are in the EOC and when there's an emergency, this place activates. It opens up at one of the places that we have to staff is the call center and I know when we open the Joint Information Center and we have to get that call center staff. The number one person I'm going to be calling is Anthony Rodriguez because he's answering the phone and not only is Anthony himself physically coming in here to help out in whatever the emergency may be, but he is also helping bring other people To answer those phones when we do have an emergency taking place.

I was the one that opened up the call center during the debris flow and we were receiving all the missing persons calls. I think that's probably one of the hardest incidents that I've worked personally, but you know as a responder, that's what you do. You never know who you're going to respond to it could be your own family, but to be able to focus and just be able to help somebody out feels good.

It's amazing what you go through, but it's so rewarding when you see the outcome. I mean the community that we have here is just disasters happen, but we come together and that means a lot to me.

It really is people like Anthony that make Santa Barbara County such a special place. We've had our fair share of disasters throughout this community and it's the unsung heroes like Anthony Rodriguez that are behind the scenes and that are really making sure that our community is resilient and is thriving after these situations take place

Thank you, Anthony. Again, we really do appreciate it. A couple of other announcements the county will this is on our housing element. So something a little more mundane, not as emotional. The county will formally submit a revised draft housing element update to the state Housing and Community Development Department on Friday. The goal of the revised draft is to address all the state's comments and meet all the state's requirements. The revised draft was already posted on the county's website on Thursday and its formal seven day for its formal seven day posting period Now to important information about the upcoming flu season. So this morning we have Public Health Officer Dr. Henning Ansorg on Zoom and our Director of Public Health Mohannad Hammami to give us a presentation on respiratory viruses, the latest numbers and how we can best protect ourselves.

Dr. Hammami is in person as we said Dr. Ansorg is on zoom and available to answer any questions and they have a short powerpoint presentation

Thank you CEO Miyasato, good morning Mr. Chair and members of the board it's a pleasure to update you a little bit on the respiratory virus or what is also common known as the flu season. As mentioned Dr. Onsorg is with me on zoom for further questions so I think the first slide is something that I would like to share. And these are the emergency room visits in the state of California for any respiratory illness. So if we look, the blue line is the flu, the green is COVID, the purple is RSV and the black one is all cases combined. Now what this tells you is we see an uptake as, as you can tell between early October where it peaks in November December then it starts winding down. There is some plateau and as we are getting more to September we are seeing a little bit of a bump This is why it is called the flu season, because it is seasonal and we see this as a cycle every year.

And this is why it is important for us to be prepared and know what are some of the things that we should be prepared for. Now anyone can get sick with any kind of respiratory illness however there are those that are more at risk versus others specifically because if either an immature Those that have underlying conditions that can affect their immunity as well. So those that are at higher risk are those we want to protect and make sure they're aware there's things they can do to minimize their risk of getting any respiratory illness. Infants and children under five because of their immune system. Older adults on the other spectrum are also those that have a weak immune system, those that either has a condition that affects their immune system or those that are taking medications that can affect their immune systems such as cancer treatment are also at risk.

Pregnant women, people with disabilities, people with underlying diseases Such as asthma and any condition that can affect their lungs are also at risk. Now, what is common between all three illnesses is that they all have the same mode of transmission and transmission is either to come in contact with someone who is sick. All those viruses are spread by an infected person who is coughing or sneezing so you either get that directly by being in the same room within the same distance or by touching objects that are contaminated with some of those droplets And respiratory viruses can remain hanging in the air. They also can contaminate what we call inanimate objects such as doorknobs or tabletops and all that.

Those three diseases have common symptoms as well and most of them manifest as coughing, congestion, fever. However some are different for example RSV has more wheezing as well as COVID has that loss of sense of smell and loss of taste as well as shortness of breath But overall, and this is what makes them harder to diagnose as well, is that they share the same common symptoms especially if they're in the mild form and not severe.

The good thing is that they all can be prevented in the same way so using logic and common sense and general hygiene as in frequent hand washing, wearing masks in public indoor spaces if you have symptoms or if you believe you're getting sick Increasing the air quality and ventilation in rooms, especially the workplace. But the most important thing that if you feel any of these symptoms then stay home and don't come to work and don't expose others. Especially if you are coming down with the flu or you have been. If you take a home test COVID and it's positive, all those testing are available for all three of those viruses. And the good thing is that there are also ways of preventing that through vaccines so So let's talk a little bit about vaccines.

The flu vaccine is available every year and it is recommended that we take it before the flu season begins, the flu season begins in November until April so no later than October is when the flu shot is recommended I now believe Mr. Chair next board meeting October 3rd we will have some of our nurses with flu shots that we are going to give to whoever wants that vaccine. It is recommended as well for children that are six months and older, as a mode of prevention. RSV although we have seen the first case on the West Coast, we do not believe that we will see RSV until probably late October here on the West Coast. There are no vaccines for children but there is an immunoglobulin which is an antibody that you can give to children that are eight month Thank you.

As well as pregnant women between the 32 and 36 weeks, and it is recommended. There is no effective but what I didn't mention about the flu is that there are antivirals such as Tamiflu so these can reduce the symptoms in terms of RSV there are no effective treatment but there are supportive treatments such as if you have fever then you take Tylenol or if you have cough.

In terms of COVID, we all know that there have been many vaccines for COVID available and they have been effective. We also recommend that vaccines are not delayed beyond October and boosters as well. A few weeks ago the CDC approved a new booster shot for targeting the specific new variant. Those vaccines are recommended for children that are six months and older, and we also know that in cases of severe COVID then there are also antiviral treatments. There have been questions about can you take all vaccines together? The question is yes Early on when we started giving COVID there was a recommendation that we wait 14 days but now it is no longer needed. So you can take the flu and COVID on the same day unless you really don't want to do it because you might feel a little bit sore or you might have some reactions, but this is basically What is recommended in terms of prevention, as well as some of the things that we should know as we are coming to the flu season.

There's a lot of information at our public health website, as well as other information at the CDC website for those who are interested in knowing more about this. Both Dr. Ansorga and myself are ready for questions if there are any.

Questions from the board? Supervisor Harbin

I have two questions. The first is about flu vaccine, is there a special vaccine for older adults?

It's the same for all.

It is okay and then the new COVID vaccine to address the variant is that in drugstores now?

I know that it is going to be commercially available Dr. Runsford do you have information on the availability of it in California?

Yes, good morning Chair Williams and the board. The new COVID vaccine is available at Walgreens at Rite Aid and CVS and soon at all drugstores I got my own vaccine yesterday at Walgreens so they are readily available and they're covered by insurances and Plan D for Medicare

Supervisor Katz.

Thank you, Director for this presentation super helpful I just wanted to attest that I've made my appointment there are tons of appointments available I have mine tomorrow and my family's all set so no reason not to get it especially the COVID right now with so many so many rising cases so

thank you. Thank you. Thank you Director.

I've got a couple of more announcements, Chair Williams. Just to congratulate first five they had their second annual results fair yesterday in Builton nearly 100 community members attended as well as county partners and nine Santa Barbara County school districts shared the ways they're working to get children ready for kindergarten. Breakout groups focused on equitable data-driven system improvements to impact young children and their keynote was USC Equity Research Institute Director Dr. Manuel Pastor so congratulations to them for successful events Lastly, we wanted to talk about the county's United Way campaign which is kicking off in October. We have a short video to share with you today and then we'll be joined by this year's charitable giving chair and our Director of Behavioral Wellness Tony Navarro.

Hi I'm Toni Navarra. I'm the director of behavioral wellness and this year i'm also the chair of the 2023 United Way campaign Many of us here at the county not only serve the public good through our work, but we also donate our time and money to a variety of local programs. This commitment to service is what makes our community as county employees strong.

I'm Jose Chang, Agricultural Commissioner, Director of Waste and Measures for the County of Santa Barbara This year I have the privilege to be the vice chair for the county's 2023 United Way campaign. From October 1st to October 31st, join us on a journey of generosity and compassion to make a difference in our community.

Your contributions to the United Way fundraising campaign will help enrich the lives of children, families and senior citizens and the homeless throughout Santa Barbara County.

Throughout the month of October we have a variety of exciting events lined up including a Dine & Donate Week which will feature a variety of fantastic restaurants throughout the county and our spectacular gift basket auction which promises something for everyone

United Way chapters in both North and South County work continuously to bring hope to those who need it the most. Together we can make a lasting impact on our community.

Remember, it's not just about giving. It's about sharing hope and your donation big or small can have a ripple effect of change throughout Santa Barbara County

County employees, we encourage you to be part of this meaningful cause. Your generosity can help transform lives. Let's unite under the banner of hope and share the spirit of giving. Together, we can make Santa Barbara County an even better place to call home.

Good morning Chair Williams, Board of Supervisors, County staff and all county employees here in the chambers today. I'm Toni Navarro and it is the 100th anniversary of United Way and myself and Agricultural Commissioner Jose Chang are proud to be the co-chairs for this year's campaign We sent out some correspondence to our United Way representatives. Thank you every department we have quite a robust and enthusiastic group of representatives that will be sending out correspondence to all of you in your ways to donate and make this hundredth year campaign very successful for our community, and bring increased programming and hope to our community. Thank you very much for your time

Thank you and thank you for stepping up to lead the effort. Supervisor Hartman?

Thank you, I just wanted to go back to where we started with Unsung Heroes and Anthony. I've seen him at the food bank in Lompoc and Goleta over the years but I had no sense of the breadth and length Of his activities and it's always with a big smile and great energy and really inspires everybody who's around. You show up and you know it might be cold and drizzly but he's so upbeat and pretty soon everybody is feeling proud about the work they're doing, so I just wanted to thank you personally.

Supervisor Capps?

Yeah, I wanted to add on to that because I honestly Anthony looking at you and the video. I don't know how you do what you do but I want you to know that you have a ripple effect that you do so much and then you inspire so many other people to get involved which is our county is grateful for

And I'll report he's just as active in the first district of most of the city of Santa Barbara and Carpinteria and Montecito. So, I don't know how he's in all districts at once but thank you Anthony.

That concludes my report.

Madam Clerk are there any announcements or changes to our agenda today?

Chair Williams and members of the Board, I do have a few announcements this morning. We posted an addendum to today's agenda on Friday September 15th adding Administrative Item Number 26, Administrative Item Number 27, and Administrative Item Number 28. Administrative item number 26 is from the Public Health Department It is the second reading of an ordinance to repeal outdated sections of the Santa Barbara County Code, Chapter 18. And to amend Santa Barbara County Code, Chapter 18C, Article 3, Certified Unified Program Agency, CUPA and to add Article 4, Release of Waste to reflect recent updates to state laws and regulations.

Additionally, Administrative Item Number 27 is from the Public Works Department and the Board of Directors for Flood Control and Water Conservation District. It is to consider recommendations regarding a public works report On emergency response action from impacts of flooding and storms and continuation of emergency actions. And there is a fourth this vote required on this item. Lastly, Administrative Item Number 28 is from the Sheriff Coroner's Office. It is to consider recommendations regarding an agreement to provide law enforcement services between the County of Santa Barbara and the cities of Buellton, Carpinteria, Toledo, and Solvang. And there is a fourth this vote required on this item as well. This addendum was posted online and made available to the board and the public.

And lastly, for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda please see page two of the agenda. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2. If you have any questions please contact the clerk at the board's office at area code 805-568-2240 again that's 805 568 2240 and that concludes my announcements today

Thank you. Can I get a motion? When we do the 8 agenda to have these addendums included but first, I do have one item pulled by a board member A28 and are there any other items pulled by public or board members?

Chair Williams and members of the Board we have no request to speak on the administration administrative agenda from the public

And can I get a motion on the balance of the agenda, including the addendums.

So move to accept

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22nd.

OK, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? And let's take up a 28.

Chair Williams and members of the board. Administrative item number 28 was previously read, but as a reminder this is from the Sheriff Coroner's Office. It is to consider recommendations regarding an agreement to provide law enforcement services between the County of Santa Barbara and the cities of Buelton, Carpinteria, Goleta and Solvang. And there is a fourth this vote required on this item.

Supervisor Nielsen. Thank you Chair Williams, on my pulled out item this is the Contract Cities contract with the Sheriff's Department has with the various cities that we provide primary law enforcement services for for the public that's the Carpinteria, Gleda, Solvang and Buellton. This has been a contract that's gone in the works for quite some time and been a subject of a lot discussion and negotiations. Yesterday, Under Sheriff Bonner went through the contract with me and he explained quite a few of the items there I was there's a lot of concern among board members that we're getting full cost recovery in these contracts There's a, my understanding is there's the relief factor is as far as the Sheriff's concerned sufficiently built into this contract where typically it's for deputies to cover post.

We'll be having 5.5 as well as 0.2 covered in another portion of the contract for training so you know I really wanted to first of all thank Under Sheriff Bonner for all his work Continue to negotiate on the county's behalf. I'm not 100% sure that is our cost recovery but you know, I do feel a lot more confident based on my discussion with you there. There's also some other areas in the contract to cover things like investigation and other services that go beyond just having a deputy in our community.

In the past, I've been fairly critical of these contracts in part because we're woefully lacking in staffing in the unincorporated area and some of our other posts and positions throughout the county including some of our special duty assignments such as you know community resource officers. The courts and other places. And it's a, it rubs me the wrong way that not only providing services to another organization when we're not fully filling our responsibility here some of these items are what we call menu items and so what menu items for the public is is items that are above and beyond is a post position in some cases it's like a Any resource officer or additional patrols that go above and beyond the baseline.

And so, you know, underserved is aware of it I'm concerned about those being filled prior to being fully staffed for the county. I understand the responsibility that we have in the relationship we have with our Contract cities that it's really important that they have at least a baseline law enforcement level. I'm concerned though, this contract has not only a baseline for the cities but preferential treatment where they're able to staff above and beyond what their baseline would need. Meanwhile we have, we are understaffed in the county so for me to move forward with this contract I would need a commitment from the Sheriff's Department that we fully staff our Our current positions in the undercorporated area and special duty assignments in the courts.

Prior to adding menu items for cities, it's about 7 positions out of 62 so it's not a huge amount but it is significant as we're trying to get fully staffed in the county. The other issue I have and I know I'm kind of monologuing here but appreciate you under Sheriff Bonner being ready for my questions is indemnification. The way it works right now is if somebody one of our deputies is working in the city and you know there's maybe something that leads to a lawsuit when they were acting as their function as a maybe a carpentry, a city or police officer on that you know carpenter pays the insurance But we're not indemnified so the end of the county taxpayers as a whole ends up paying the deductible and anything that's above our insurance amount.

I think that the county should be indemnified in these contracts with these cities, um i think that's a fiscally responsible thing to do for the taxpayers as a whole if it's somebody If it's uh the sheriff's department acting as You know, above and beyond in the sense of like we're bringing in general law enforcement. I understand that would be something that should be on the county as a whole but as far as when somebody is acting in their role as a police officer in a city under contract, I believe that responsibility of any potential liability should be on that specific city not the county as a whole so that's something else in the contract that needs to be modified to get my support. With that, Chief Bonner do you have any responses?

Well, and let me

just chime in so that the chief can address things. First of all I want to thank you know all the representatives of the cities for making some progress and getting closer to things. So you know Goleta, Carpinteria, Solvang, Buellton we I appreciate the engagement and attempts to compromise. I do think the indemnity issue is a huge one All of these cities, or at least the two that I'm most familiar with have cars that say city of something police force on the side. But it sounds like from the sense of the agreement when things go right they're the city police force and when things go wrong they're county sheriffs. So to me that can't That's a big issue to me because they need to participate in the legal cost of defending ability to enforce the law.

And I question, but I would love a response on whether the relief factor built into this is really commensurate with what we've needed in the past That's been one of the big issues in the past. And then I guess the last issue is if these are optional extensions, are they optional on both parties' part? And when do you begin

negotiating the next contract?

All right Supervisor Williams, Supervisor Nelson. If I can I would like to say a few comments just giving due to all of the work that has been done and then i'll get into answering those. So I really want to thank everyone who has made today a reality these contracts are a big deal for the Sheriff's Office and for each of the cities and their residents As well as our overall county and our county taxpayers.

The contracts before you are the product of literally thousands of combined hours of your county team, and the city teams collaboratively working together to find that magical spot. Where we are able to both achieve your board's direction as it respect to full cost recovery, and the city's desire for clarity in what they are paying for. And the predictability of those costs on an ongoing basis.

Lieutenant John Maxwell and Department of Business Specialist Christy Velasco of our Contract Law Bureau, along with every member of their chain of command have spent the past couple years working with the city teams. Along with County Council and our county CEO's office to bring us here today. I can't thank each of them enough for their hard work dedication and sacrifice Sacrifice that repeatedly involved interruptions to their days off and on more than one occasion an interruption to a vacation.

That same thanks is due to each of the cities, and their city managers, and all of their team members. All of whom also invested a considerable amount of time and hard work toward today's achievement. These contracts are a complete change from prior contracts particularly as it relates to the cost model, as well as the deliverables that are desired by the city.

Historically these contracts most of which originally were entered into more than 30 years ago were very simple and were based upon a set number of FTE that were agreed upon by the county and the cities at that original contract time In the wake of the 2008-09 recession and resulting countywide budget shortfalls over the following 10 years, it became readily apparent that these contracts were no longer achieving full cost recovery.

In fiscal year 18-19 we transitioned to the deputy service unit model which was based upon a comprehensive methodology used by the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office Unfortunately, that deputy sheriff model proved to be incredibly complex. To the point that neither the cities or the county were confident or happy with the contract. On our end, we did not believe we were... We still believed we were not achieving full cost recovery. And from the city's perspective they were not confident in why they were required to pay for the various aspects of the cost model and raised concerns that they were being required to pay for countywide services which would be inconsistent with Board Resolution 18-173.

The contracts that are before you today are a blend of the simplicity of the initial FTE model and the comprehensiveness of that Deputy Service Unit Model. Each city is provided with a cost sheet, Exhibit E which clearly outlines what they are paying for and the overall contract detail the basis of those costs. Additionally we have worked together With both our county and city partners to identify and adopt an annual cost escalator that we are both confident will keep pace with the cost of providing ongoing law enforcement services for the cities over the next few years.

All told, these contracts are a giant step forward for both the county and the cities. And they are testament to the hard work dedication and collaboration of everyone involved. And we're looking forward to putting the negotiations behind us and getting back to the business of serving our community members, providing top-notch policing services. With that I'll jump into the specifics. So with respect to the menu items, I want to be clear that the cities are also feeling that pain.

We have been holding positions that we previously provided to them And those patrol squads that are understaffed at the moment are also serving those cities. And I just want to be again, that clarity is that The cities are feeling part of this pain and we are, just like we're holding other positions within the county open. We're going to continue to hold those positions open until we achieve that appropriate balance. I can't guarantee exactly that all other positions will be filled because we have to prioritize it across the whole operation but the cities are in fact feeling part of that pain that we are all With respect to the relief factor, I think the answer is yes. You know we have gone back we have looked that relief factor has actually grown in years past it was lower We kept the number bigger anticipating that the future will look more like today than it did five years ago.

And between both the 5.5 as well as the additional and for the cities wanted it brought off into a separate line item for the initial training, the academy training and the field training Between the two of them yes we do believe we are achieving the appropriate relief factor and we're pretty confident that that's what it's going to look like in the years. With respect to the extension, we will obviously as we get close to that you know probably a year out of that time when the extensions come out, start those discussions. And we're going to have to do a very extensive inward look to make sure that these contracts are working and that they are continuing to achieve full cost recovery and of course we would come back to your board to seek permission to continue those contracts.

One of the big changes that has occurred with this one is previously the sheriff was able to go into an extension Without the board we now need to come back to the board to get permission to go into an extension. And I would fully expect that you or want to see that we have a default cost recovery and that this cost model is work. With respect to indemnification, so a couple key elements. That indemnification goes both directions. So if the cities are being sued because of something that we do we don't pay for them.

They also don't pay CORA, right? It's each one of those indemnifications is separate and this indemnification language was worked on and was approved by County Risk. Is also reviewed by However, the cities are paying for that liability insurance. That is a specific line item that they are having to pay for within this contract. You know I don't know that you know in all of the other ones that we have because we did so much research into this We have not seen any of the county city policing contract where the county or the cities agree to pay any judgments that are made against the county. But they are having to pay for that liability insuring.

Supervisor

Hartman?

Well congratulations on making some huge strides forward. I've had various people from city government contacting me about the clarity piece of it, not just the county-wide costs and the relief factor but just how officers are deployed and what they're doing and how that tracking, how they're tracking their time and how that's used in deploying their efforts And I know that that was something that KPMG also flagged for the county. So, um, I'm wondering how that's going to evolve?

So the one thing we are going to keep from the Deputy Service Unit model is we provide the cities with an accounting of how many minutes of service we provide them. We're able to tell them down to the minute How much service was provided, and that is all automatically tracked through our computer aided system.

And what people are doing and where they're doing it and how that is analyzed and fits back to where people are deployed?

So that is specific to the cities. So we're able to tell them the amount of time that we are spending providing service in each one of the city, to include when county cars go into the city as well as when city cars go out into the county.

Does it get fine or grained?

It can get as fine-grained as they want if they would like a 50 000 or 100 000 line document we can give them that 50 or 100 000 line raw document

Do you tell them where patrols are, what kind of crime you're seeing? How your analytics are shaping your response in their cities.

So yes they do get the crime information. They do get or have access to the calls for service information throughout this process we have talked about ways of improving that and providing the cities with the details obviously they do not want a 50,000 or 100,000 line document to have to wade through We have a new records management system coming online and we're hopeful that it is going to be able to provide some of the finer details that they're looking for.

Obviously, we are and have always been willing to work with them sometimes there are costs involved if we have to bring in experts to write computer programs to extract that data which we have done in the past Then that may come at a cost to the city or otherwise it has to be borne by the county. But yes, we have been working with them there is a lot of data and we are continuing to work for them to get them the refined data that they would like.

And Chief, what happens

if in order to retain attract and retain enough officers that we augment the pay mid-contract? Is that immediately built into the cost or is there a lag time in that?

So from a, you know, legality I'd look to County Council to provide that. But I do believe that when there is a change the MOU that is part of the escalator. So if the MOU changes, the escalator kicks in.

I guess my question is does that mean that say we approve this today and there was a need to augment that pay and benefits that almost an entire calendar year of costs would be swallowed by the county before it's built into the

next pay rate? And if I mean

County Council, maybe you. Answer that

Mr Chair and members of the board. I believe it's immediate. I'm looking for the actual second but I believe it's immediate.

That's good. And I do think that there's a lot of improvement here, so I would like to approve something here today but I also would like the board at least some of these issues to be addressed before extensions, before a plethora of extensions is essentially my hope. I think we should reward progress but also be sort of vigilant to ensure that everybody's pitching in fairly.

Supervisor Hartman?

Well, I actually understand from other areas how difficult indemnification clauses are to negotiate. And given this explanation, I'm willing to support that and I'm willing to go forward today but in the future, I think this should come back as a D item and we should have more opportunity to spend some time on it.

Supervisor Nielsen?

Yeah, I appreciate the discussions happened up here. I'm still concerned about the indemnification as well as the staffing. There's been a lot of progress and staffing. I know we have a lot of people in training right now, but we have a lot of challenges the county especially with the courts and prioritizing these responsibilities that we have and obligations as well as to our County residents not just our city residents for kind of residence where were they were their municipal government? It's really it's really important that That we're providing that. I'm afraid that we're not going to see this for four years guys, so if that's you know if we want to come back as a key item in the future maybe some of us won't be here anymore. So if this is something our board wants to continue to be able to provide input on it this is probably our last chance unless we give additional direction Maybe modify that, and I don't know if maybe council can respond to our opportunity to revisit this.

I'm definitely not gonna be able to move forward with a four year. I might be able to vote for it if we can come back and have a further discussion on identification and some of the other staffing issues in the future year but I can't move forward with four years today.

Mr. Chair and members of the board, the term is set up for a four-year term but to address your question from earlier extensions have to be agreed upon by mutual agreement of the parties and are subject to approval of all the legislative bodies so it would come back to your board before there was an extension

If I can add, more than happy you know obviously this came as an A item because we came to last minute agreement with the city literally as of last Monday finalizing these contracts. I'm more than happy to bring this back at a set period of time so that we can report out on whether or not this new and it is a brand new cost model is working

Yeah, I would say so that we have enough time to talk about it before the year extension maybe more or less six months. Six months or earlier. Is that responsive to your concern?

Yeah, well six months might be still too far from the renewal. So I actually would maybe defer to Under Sheriff. How much time would you need if you needed additional direction from the-

I guess I would ask that, you know, I would like to see a year's worth like next year. I'd like to see a years' worth of being able to look at this and cross reference it across You know, the operation so that we have something you know substantial to report out on and whether or not it is in fact capturing full cost recovery.