BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 January 18, 2024

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role15:36

Good morning. I will call to order the January 9th, 2024 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Madam Clerk please call the roll.

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Supervisor Katz? Here. Supervisor Hartman? Here. Supervisor Nelson? Here Supervisor Lavinino? Here and Chair Williams
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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role15:53

At this time please stand and join the board pledging allegiance to our flag.

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GuestNelsonProposed · by introduction16:02

Ready? Begin.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role16:23

It is my pleasure to welcome you to the 2024 Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. This marks the 174th convening of the Santa Barbara County's highest legislative body. I will now accept nominations for the position of chair and vice-chair for the board of supervisors for 2024. Who also sit at the Board of Directors of the Water Agency, the Flood Control and Water Conservation District. The Santa Barbara County Fire Protection District, the Lacuna County Sanitation District and other special districts as appropriate.

Mr. Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed17:02

Mr. Chair I'd like to nominate Supervisor Labadino for chair and Supervisor Laura Capps for vice-chair.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role17:11

Is there a second? Second. There is a first and a second, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. And reminder to hit the button as well. Great that's unanimous I just want to A couple remarks close out I think what was a really important year. For the men and women that protect our community and prepare for the future for our community in the county family.

I am as outgoing chair I'm extremely proud of their work and I think the whole board's accomplishments for last year and the county's work Is something to be celebrated by the community. We prepared for and responded to multiple storm emergencies in January, April and December. Broke ground on the Regional Fire Communication Center and Emergency Operations Center expansion which is key to our goal of creating an integrated fire EMS system in which the closest available resources dispatched to help you As opposed to the closest resource on your side of a border.

We approved funding to expand temporary shelter beds with the La Posada project, which we will celebrate this Friday. And that was part of our long effort, which I think after years of diligent work really bore fruit last year of actually lowering the number of homeless on the street in the South County. We adopted a tenant protection ordinance And funded and completed emergency improvements to the Santa Maria River in Guadalupe.

We adopted a housing element in the most substantive document in the history of Santa Barbara County, and it's a difficult issue. We approved the Montecito segment of the 101 expansion project. Funded and approved Northern Branch Jail Expansion as well as diversion efforts from criminal justice and behavioral health partners. In sustainability and tackling climate change, we made more progress than ever before.

Expanding our electric fleet of cars internally, trying to lead by example, building more chargers, and the approved Straus Wind Project was built and began delivering energy And through C3CE, we procured a large energy storage project, a large wind project and several other renewable projects. Further living our values through our purchases and through our work.

And I as chair just believe that if we continue to concentrate on some of the most basic needs of the people of Santa Barbara County And we look beyond our differences, look beyond the politics of the matter. We will continue to do good work in trying to live our values. I also want to invite you tonight. It is the 9th of January and it is the anniversary of the debris flow for my constituents in Montecito.

And I want to invite you tonight to the Raising Our Light Commemoration we do once a year in the honor of the victims of the debris flow. And I just want to take the opportunity to read their names because I do believe that their deaths, their tragic deaths have an enduring effect on the work of our flood control streets division and are the entire county family.

Jim Mitchell Alice Mitchell Marilyn Ramos, Jonathan Benitez, Fabiola Benitez, Kaylee Benitez. Mark Montgomery, Carolyn Montgomery, David Canton, Jack Canton, Josephine Gower, John McManagel, Rebecca Riskin, Roy Roeder, Peter Florat, Sawyer Corey, Morgan Corey, Vinit Sutapaya, That is my honor to repeat their names. Now we keep the memory alive in our work, to make sure that such events are less often and have less damage unless loss of life.

I now have the honor to present the gavel and block to Mr. Steve Lavagnino, our incoming chair for 2024 to the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors and maybe even more important than this gavel Steve The BAT phone, the BAT phone which we tested last year and we want to make sure that it worked. We didn't actually have to use it for the emergencies thank God but it is something that is needed to have so there's the BAT phone and it is my honor

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7223:29

So it's called a smooth transition of power so federal government, you might want to take a look at that. Congress check this out yeah check this out. So I have just a couple minutes. You know the changing the guard on this diocese. Really ceremonial. Our chair has no extra authority I don't get an extra half a vote or anything, no special powers but I am going to try a few changes to our meetings so that might be able to encourage a little bit more public participation maybe have it run a little bit differently this is my third time as chair So the first is, I'll be rearranging the agenda so that our resolutions will be preceding the administrative agenda now. There are days when the agenda extends for almost an hour and folks who may be here just to be simply recognized for their work in the community or they're retiring from the county.

They're waiting for the board to deliberate and listen to all the public comment. So resolutions will lead off followed by the administrative agenda in general public comment. I'll also do my best, for those that know me, to define a lunch break. Usually as close to 1230 as possible where the board will hear our closed session items. There's a joke that I tend to make poor decisions the later we go on in the afternoon if we don't stop to eat.

On items with significant public interest and public comment I'm going to work to provide a time certain so people aren't sitting here for hours waiting for their item. But we also have to remember, we have a lot to get through each meeting. These agendas are very lengthy. Public commenters will generally be granted their full three minutes. However, there may be times when due to sheer volume, we will ask to shorten your original script. I promise to be as fair as possible with the clock but I want to let you know right now whether it's one minute, two minute or three minutes I don't like for people to go over. And the reason for that is, I just don't think it's fair to the other people that have to make their point within the allotted time.

To my colleagues we have a lot to do this year from rezones associated with the housing element, to reimagining how and where our employees will work, to hopefully discovering a new cannabis tax formula. All while identifying long-term solutions for our library funding and arts programs not to mention finding innovative new ways to address homelessness continue our criminal justice reform initiatives, and then of course deal with the next natural disaster.

And we will make mistakes along the way but as a legendary UCLA basketball coach John Wooden once said show me someone not making mistakes and I'll show you someone not doing anything. So let's get to work find those solutions that will make this county more responsive more efficient and better prepared to meet the challenges of 2024. So with that

The next item of business we'll get right into it is the approval of minutes from the December 12, 2023 meeting. Can I get a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed26:26

So moved. Second.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7226:28

We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously that takes us to our CEO report.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed26:41

Good morning, Chair Lavagnino and board members. I have a few announcements this morning. First of all, I'm pleased to announce the appointment of our two new directors who started in 2024. The first is Christine Schmidt, who's been appointed as the new Human Resources Director. She has served as the Assistant City Manager for the city of Goleta since 2019 and before that dedicated 22 years of her career to the city of Santa Barbara where she held various positions in human resources employee relations and administrative services Christie, why don't you come up. Her experience in local government and familiarity with our community's unique needs makes her a wonderful fit to lead our Human Resources Department so please join me in welcoming Christine to the County of Santa Barbara.

If you could just say a few words?

GovJana PetersenCounty Executive OfficerProposedvoiceprint 0.5627:32

Thank you for the warm welcome. I feel immensely privileged to be able to assume leadership of the Human Resources Department here at the county. I've been impressed with the dedication, the resilience and the commitment that's been demonstrated by your human resources staff and by staff throughout the county. And I'm grateful to Assistant Director Yvonne Torres for keeping things moving Quite well during the interim and I look forward to navigating challenges Celebrating victories and innovating the way that we support our employees in our department with my new colleagues And with you And thank you again, and I look forward to the year ahead. Thank You Christy.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7228:20

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed28:26

The second director I'd like to announce is Meta Richardson who was appointed as the new child support director. Meta why don't you come forward? Ms. Richardson has been with the department since 2016 and most recently served as the assistant director before starting her career in child support services, she worked in various departments within the county government and cities. She also served as the finance director of the city of Grass Valley. She's proven herself as a dynamic forward-thinking professional and we look forward to her tenure as a Child Support Director.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed29:07

I want to thank you all so much for appointing me to this role, and I do feel strongly that we will be a success in the years going forward in the child support program. And the main reason is who you can see behind me are several of our child support employees. So I'm just thrilled to be able to lead this really strong team and to move forward with some of the innovations that we've been working on for a number of years. And I'm really excited to start the new year this way As the new child support director. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed29:44

A few other quick announcements. Planning and Development's new solar app has had great success, we have a slide up to show that. The software app launched in November and it allows installers to submit county residents' new top rooftop solar applications through a simple-to-use app for plan check review. So far more than 110 permits have been issued using this streamlined process with a county inspection turnaround of just one day. A link to the application can be found on the county website so please Residents and community members please look at the website and feel free to use the app.

The second thing is that a big milestone has occurred for clean energy, and that it's a Straus Wind Energy Project near Lompoc went operational at the end of December and is now delivering power to the state electrical grid. It is composed of 29 wind turbines that are up to 490 feet tall, spread out over nearly 3,000 acres. It's capable of producing 98 megawatts of power which is the equivalent of powering approximately 40,000 homes so we're glad this project is finally up and running.

Lastly, this is just a reminder to our residents that the Santa Barbara County residents who experienced storm damage from the storms of December 20th to 21st 2023. Now is the time to complete a Storm Damage Report if they sustained damage. The information will assist public safety officials in understanding the extent of local impacts and advocate on behalf of the community for state and federal assistance. So if anyone had suffered damage from the December 2023 storms, forms can be found on the ReadySBC website. And that concludes my report. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7231:22

Thank you very much CEO Miyasato. That takes us to our clerk announcements. Madam Clerk are there any announcements or changes to our agenda today?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7631:28

Yes, chair Lavinino and members of the board. I do have a couple quick announcements this morning we received requests from the departments to withdraw three items from today's agenda administrative items number 614 and 15 administrative item number six is from the behavioral wellness department. It is to consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo Regional Health Authority DBA Sankal Health CalAIM incentive payment program funding agreement for fiscal years 2023 through 2027.

Administrative item number 14 is from the fire department, it is to consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara County employee sheltering during emergencies policy. And administrative item number 15 is also from the fire department. It is to consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara County Disaster Service Worker Employee Policy and again, the departments are requesting to withdraw administrative items number 614 and 15 and these withdrawal requests can be added to the balance of the administrative agenda as we have no request to speak on these items.

Additionally for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda Please see page two of the agenda. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2 if you have any questions please contact the clerk at the board's office at area code 8 0 5 5 6 8 2 2 4 0 again that's 8 0 556 822 40 and lastly just a friendly reminder while the board is in session all persons shall preserve order and decorum any person making personal Lewd or slanderous or profane remarks, making disruptive noises, or becoming disruptive in any manner may be removed at the chair's request.

So this is your friendly reminder for today. I know we have a couple important items during our departmental agenda. There is no booing or clapping during our items if you are interested in something, we do a silent little clap. Wait, and that concludes my comment.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7233:30

All right, great. And that is after resolutions you're more than happy to express your appreciation for people by clapping but once we get into our deliberations and we're talking about our agenda items from our departments then we ask that everybody if you agree with the person give it this. We don't allow for booing or yelling or anything like that. So would any board members like to pull any items from the administrative agenda?

Supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8634:01

I just had where the administrative agenda were. Entertaining withdrawal requests for A6, A14 and A15 and then A26 was a continuance did we need to vote on that?

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7634:16

Chair Lavineto and members of the board that is correct. A26 is a request for a continuence from the department and we did receive that request in advance of publishing our agenda so that is indicated on our agenda on page 18 The department is requesting a continuance of the administrative item number 26 to January 23rd, 2024. And just for information for the public, this is from the Public Works Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding rescinding Resolution 18-150 related to ceasing burial of residuals and solid waste at the Tahequs landfill when the landfill reaches permitted capacity and to seek other residual disposal options. And this is in the third district.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7234:59

So we're going to make a motion about the balance once we get through who's pulling which items. Does anybody else have any items that they wish to pull? Madam Clerk, any members of the public request to pull any items on the administrative agenda?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7635:10

Chair Lavinino, members of the board, we have no requests to speak on the admin agenda from the public.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7235:14

Okay so I'll now entertain a motion to approve the balanced administrative agenda with the items that were announced. Second. Item has been moved and seconded. We're all figuring out this new system here, so bear with us a little bit. So all those in favor? Aye. Anybody opposed? So that motion passes unanimously and that takes us to we'll come back to the administrative agenda. So now that takes us to our resolutions to be presented. Administrative item number one

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7635:56

Chair Lavinino, members of the board. Administrative item number one is sponsored by Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Capps. It's to adopt a resolution proclaiming the month of January 2024 as Human Trafficking Awareness Month in Santa Barbara County and joining us here in person today we have Ileana Onda and Megan Riker-Reinschild and if you can please join us at the podium And I'll go ahead and read the resolution.

Whereas human trafficking is a form of modern slavery that occurs in every state including California, wherein victims are forced to work in various forms of labor exploitation including but not limited to commercial sex acts and other services that are induced through force fraud or coercion. And whereas due to its isolated and discreet nature many individuals across the globe are unaware that trafficking exists in their communities. And whereas it is estimated that more than 28 million people around the world are victims of human trafficking And whereas human trafficking victims face a cruelty that has no place in a civilized world. It is a crime that can take many forms and one that tears at our social fabric, debases our common humanity and violates what we stand for as a country.

And whereas increased education about how to identify human trafficking along with increased knowledge of in-state resources and services for those affected by criminal exploitation can help decrease the number of future victims. And whereas the Santa Barbara County Human Trafficking Task Force is committed to using all applicable laws and resources for investigating human trafficking and prosecuting those engaged in it. And whereas the Santa Barbara County Human Trafficking Task Force has worked diligently to bring awareness of the fact that human trafficking occurs closer to home than one might think, that California ranks number one in the country for reported human trafficking cases And that Santa Barbara County is home to hundreds of survivals of trafficking and exploitation.

And whereas Human Trafficking Awareness Month is an opportunity to recognize the critical role all Santa Barbara County residents play in preventing, reporting, and adjudicating these heinous crimes. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors declares January 2024 as Human Trafficking Awareness Month in Santa Barbara County passed and adopted today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed38:21

Good morning, Chair Lavagnino, Supervisor Capps, Supervisor Williams. Thank you for supporting this resolution for Human Trafficking Awareness Month. I appreciate the ongoing support each and every one of you to the person over the past now 10 years has been a staunch supporter of this issue and I feel like we have made a lot of progress together our partnerships are have been pivotal in terms of moving the needle on this issue. And joining me today is our Assistant District Attorney Kelly Duncan, one of our newer chiefs Jennifer Karapetian.

Also joining us recently from Kern County is our Supervising DA Tyson McCoy who has a great deal of experience prosecuting human trafficking and other parts of the state And Tiffany Carty, who joined us from Washington D.C., having worked at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and is now a supervisor in our South County Victim Witness Unit and overseeing the work of the Human Trafficking Advocates.

Also joining me, and I cannot say enough about the work of Kingdom Causes as a partner on our Human Trafficking Task Force helping us with the enormous task of educating the community and drafting this strategic plan to continue to move this issue forward. I want to mention a couple of things, and that is that we have an event that the Rotary of Santa Maria South is hosting next Friday at the Santa Maria Country Club. Speaking at that event will be Tyson McCoy talking about strategies to investigate and prosecute human trafficking but also just generally talking about the issue on the Central Coast We also have a vigil next week on Wednesday at De La Guerra Plaza, which is a community event to show support around this issue.

Once again I want to thank the board and the community for continuing to support us in our efforts and I want to thank our partners in the county child welfare probation, the courts we could not do this alone and it really is a demonstration of it takes a village to move the needle on assisting and supporting our vulnerable population so thank you so much

GuestNelsonProposed · by introduction40:49

Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7240:59

Supervisor Caps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.9141:01

Thank you. I just wanted to acknowledge the many organizations and individuals who've worked on this important issue. I was made aware of it as a commissioner for women about a decade ago, thanks to Megan Riker Reinchild. And it's an issue that you often might think of bigger cities or different countries but yet it does impact us here in Santa Barbara County to the tune of dozens of young girls, women who are victims And hundreds more who are potential victims and vulnerable to this kind of horrific abuse. So you really have moved the needle in the last decade since you came and spoke to the Women's Commission, who has been engaged on this issue, and the awareness and the vigils and the work that goes on on the ground. I just want to lend my support and admiration for the day-in and day-out work.

Thank you.

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role41:55

Great. Supervisor Williams? And I also wanted to give my personal thank you, not only to all of you and your work but the whole team. It's a really extensive team that works on human trafficking issues in this county. And it, I think for the benefit of public, it really defies some of our stereotypes, the data that they have accumulated. Number one according to that data, the majority of the survivors of trafficking or those that are have been victimized by trafficking in our county Our citizens and though there are undocumented folks in that group as well, and they deserve our protection.

That defies a lot of the stereotypes that we see about this. And of course the other is the biggest one that Supervisor Capps touched upon which is that this is not just a big city problem. That we unfortunately are one of the centers in the state for trafficking. And because of our geographic proximity, or we're right in the middle and so this is a problem for our whole county to fight and I just want to express the board's commitment to continuing that fight.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7243:12

Excellent. That takes us to administrative item number two. Thank you very much for being here today.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7643:20

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, administrative item number two is sponsored by Supervisor Lavinino. It is to adopt a resolution of commendation honoring Florentina Lopez of the Planning and Development Department as the January 2024 Employee of the Month in Santa Barbara County. And joining us today we have Florentina Lopez and Lisa Plowman our Planning and Development Director.

And I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas, Florentino Lopez exemplifies the county's organizational values of accountability, customer focus, equity and inclusion, innovation, trust, and ethics. And whereas, Florentino Lopez models the transformative behaviors of collaborative problem solving alignment with the county's vision, risk-taking data driven decision making and strategic thinking. And whereas, Florentino Lopez began his career with the County of Santa Barbara Planning and Development Department in 2006 Where he currently serves as a petroleum specialist. And whereas Florentino has provided excellent customer service to the public and the petroleum lease operators during his tenure with the county, exemplifying consistency, objectivity and fairness.

With a knowledge-based and reasonable approach to enforcement of the Petroleum Code. And whereas Florentino is a team player, and interacts effectively and collaboratively with his co-workers and with representatives from County Fire, Environmental Health Services, and Air Pollution Control District. And with state agencies assisting them in achieving their respective objectives. And whereas Florentino's commitment to a consistently high quality of work And dedication to getting the job done right has earned him high praise amongst those he serves and is the foundation to his success as a county petroleum specialist. And whereas Florentino's ability to communicate effectively, objectively and calmly in both his written and spoken word reassures those that he serves that he is not only there to gain compliance with his regulatory duties but is also there to help them succeed.

And whereas Florentino leads by example, performs his duties professionally and accepts the responsibility to provide prompt accurate and courteous service with a high level of integrity at all times qualifies him as a model public servant. And whereas Florentino's demeanor is always friendly and cheerful, and he openly shares a dry sense of humor that provides joy and laughter which lifts up those around him. Now therefore be it hereby ordered to resolve that this Board of Supervisors recognizes Florentina Lopez as the employee of the month for January 2024 passed and adopted today.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction46:07

I just wanted to, I'm not sure I can add much more to that because it was very comprehensive and accurate. But I did want to say that Florentino really stepped up when we had a situation where we only had one inspector and he did a lot of inspections on his own and he didn't complain and he did an incredible job and we're really proud of him and we're very happy to have him on our team so congratulations Florenteno.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed46:41

It's just it's nice working in this area. It's a privilege and honor to receive it wasn't expected, but I'll take it. Congratulations.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7246:58

Alright that takes us to item 3.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7647:01

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, administrative item number three is sponsored by Supervisor Williams. It is to adopt a resolution of commendation honoring Claire Gottsdanker for her service on the Montecito Board of Architectural Review. And if we can please have Claire Gottsdanker to the podium? And I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Claire got sinker has been a pillar and tireless leader in the land use community of Montecito for over three decades. And whereas from 1985 until 1992 Claire got sink or worked as part of the team that wrote the Montecito Community plan and subsequently took on the additional assignment of drafting. and design the guidelines for the physical and structural development of Montecito. And whereas Claire Gottsdinger served as Commissioner and Vice Chair of the Montecito Planning Commission from 2006 to 2012, and is both a member of the chair of the Montecito Board of Architectural Review from 2003 to 2006 and from 2013 to the present.

And whereas Claire Godstinker received the 2004 Montecito Citizen of the Year honor, having served on the Montecito Association Board of Directors for over six years and as chair of the Architectural Review Committee. And whereas Claire Godstinger has been a resident of Montecito since 1961. And although she tragically lost her home in the T-fire, she was one of the first to rebuild and helped others as a member of the T fire recovery team and has served your community as the president of the Mountain Drive Community Association. And whereas Claire Godstinger is a proud mother to Josh and Adam, a grandmother and is extremely passionate about gardening plants and living sustainably. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors honors Claire for her service on the Montecito Board of Architectural Review, and further commends her for her lifetime of outstanding achievement in the service to this community.

Passed and adopted today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed49:10

Well, thank you. And all there is for me to say is it's been a privilege, an extreme privilege of my life to actually serve Montecito. It's the only place that I've ever lived. When I first came to Santa Barbara, I went to UCSB and two years into UCSB, I rented a room in Montecito That building actually got wiped out in the floods, you know. But it, you know, all my, well 60 years in Montecito. I've never lived anywhere else at Santa Barbara than in Montecito and I love Montecito. I love it, you know? And all of its all been about For me, it's preserving and protecting Montecito because it is such a special place.

It has been such a privilege to serve the county, you and the people of Montecito. I really thank you for this. You know, and this is kind of a completion of part of my life. And I just really appreciate that you're honoring me and continue to help me do what I like in life. Thank you very much.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role50:47

And I just want to say it is so inspirational and beautiful for me to see the heart, soul, and just years that Claire has put into public service. The MBAR is not our most glorious or glamorous assignment, and she has done so much. And for those of you that don't know her She's not just someone who has fought hard to preserve the beauty of Montecito. She's a representative of everything that's funky about the Mountain Drive community, and in Mountain Drive community's finest hour, which I would say is the recovery from the T-fire, she was one of the folks who led the effort and led that community in its most difficult but also it's most finest hour And it is hard for me, sad for me to see you retiring.

But I think your work and your example will live on for all MBAR members from here on out of how to do it. So thank you so much Claire.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7252:08

All right that takes us to item A4 Madam Clerk

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.7652:11

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, administrative item number four is sponsored by Supervisor Nelson. It is to adopt a resolution of accommodation honoring Joanie Maiden upon her retirement from the Child Support Services Department after 30 years of faithful and distinguished service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County. And if Joanie can join us at the podium I'll go ahead and read the resolution.

Whereas in her 30 years with the County of Santa Barbara, Joni Maiden's commitment to serving the families and children of Santa Barbara County never wavered as she advanced through all positions from a child support officer to our current role as the director of the Department of Child Support Services. And whereas Joni Maiden is a respected leader who infused the office environment with flexibility, thoughtfulness and the pursuit of excellence and continuous improvement who led the department fearlessly through the pandemic and whose spearheaded customer focused innovations To numerous account, including lobby central instant zoom a virtual receptionist and multiple systems conversions. And whereas joanie maiden's devotion to public service was evident as she supported numerous county and statewide initiatives and efforts.

Including the 2020 Census, United Way, COVID-19 vaccination pods, emergency operations center EOC activations, bridging the digital divide, veterans stand down and chairing the Child Support Directors Association CSDA membership development committee. And whereas Joni's exemplary knowledge and devotion to the staff of the child support program shone through on a daily basis whether it was checking in on staff well being Developing customer complaint resolution procedures or assisting with the most complex child support cases. Whereas Joni Maiden will be concluding her career with the County of Santa Barbara when she retires on January 19th, 2024. Leaving her time for adventures with her family and beloved son Dylan and long walks with her intrepid dog Bernard.

Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors commends Joni Maiden for her commitment and distinguished public service to the families in our county. Congratulates her upon her retirement and wishes her many years of continued good health and happiness past an adopted day.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed54:33

Everyone should get a standing ovation in their lifetime. Thank you, Supervisor LaVagnino, Chair LaVagnino and the board members. I just wanted to take a minute to say thank you to the many coworkers and colleagues that contributed to my career with the county. Since I'm on my 30th year there's no way to acknowledge everyone but that doesn't lessen the sentiment. And suffice it to say that everyone I've crossed paths with have helped in getting me to this point.

Five years ago I became the director and was fortunate to lead a department that is staffed by dedicated, passionate and hardworking people. They made me a better leader and a better person and some of them are here today. I was fortunate to be able to work with other department directors. And while it can be intimidating to be in a room with them, they're very smart, very caring, very accomplished people and they're also very supportive and giving.

They made me a better leader and a better person. I was honored to have had excellent role models including our previous director Carrie Topliff who's also here today Assistant CEOs Terry Mosnisch and Tanya Heitman, and CEO Miyasato. And early on in my tenure as director during a department head meeting, CEO Miyasado told us some good input she received regarding leadership and management. And it was simply participation equals commitment. And that stayed with me and stuck with me forever.

Whether overseeing the census count, helping to bridge the digital divide, collaborating with fellow HHS department directors or other departments and working at various efforts during the pandemic and emergency operations. It's evident that this county is full of employees and community members that are committed people working together to make things better.

They made me a better leader and a better person. And as I mentioned, I became the department head five years ago. And that's when your board approved me to be the director. I told you at the time that the county had already invested a lot in me. I had a good job that enabled me as a single parent to raise a son in a great environment and I was able to get my master's degree through a program that was implemented by the county.

I told you at the time of my interview that I would be a good return on your investment, and I leave knowing I did a good job. I gave my best and I'm honored to have been in public service for the department, the county, and the community. Thank you. You made me a better leader and a better person.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed57:31

Go ahead. I'm currently the child support director, but when I was working for Joanie for the last five years, I was the assistant director to Joanie. In my time at the county, I've come to learn that the county means different things to different people. For some, their time at the county is a step on their career journey. For others who are increasingly rare... Sorry, I'm gonna tear up a little bit.

The county represents not just a part of their journey, but rather their destination. This describes Joni Maiden. Joni began her career at the county as a child support officer and she completes it as our Child Support Director. During this time she cared deeply about the county and the child support program and she showed that caring on a daily basis. There was nothing too small, nothing too big, nothing too early in the morning, nothing to late at night She cared about all of it every minute, every hour, every day of her nearly 30 years at the county. I would like to thank Joni for caring so much about us, about the child support program, about the community that she has been part of for so long. Thank you, Joni. You truly gave it your all.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7258:52

Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed58:53

Yes, thank you Chair Labadino it was my honor to be able to sponsor this resolution for Joni. You know there's 22 different departments in the county and Child Support Services is also often lost in everything that goes on here but they've been really such a successful department that's based on the leadership at top ongoing leadership and the team that they created and again that starts with Carrie Supervisor Hartman.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.8659:38

I just so much remember that interview where you made that statement. I just wanted to add that you have been a model employee in the county. I started my career in the academic world and my mentor said there are department people and university people, well for the county they're department people and they're one county one future people and you have shown how to really be Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting Thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:00:45

Joni, thank you also for being willing to step outside your silo and being a great example to all of our department heads that it's the entire county. It's not just child support services. You are always one to raise your hand and get the job done. And I have told my kids to use your quote in job interviews because that was a memorable...and if anybody else is trying to use that when you come to the board now we're going to be like oh that's Joni, we knew that one so But yes, congratulations and it's time for you to enjoy your retirement now. So I hope you do that so congratulations thank you.

That closes out our administrative agenda takes us to general public comment. Now is the time for members of the public to speak on items that are not on the agenda. Madam Clerk are there any requests to speak on general public comment?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:01:35

Chair Lavinino, members of the board. We did have two requests to speak on general public comment but our Zoom participant has not logged in so we just have one request to speak here at Santa Barbara.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:01:45

Okay.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:01:46

And we will go to Karen Hauenstein.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:01:57

Morning.

CommentKaren HauensteinProposed1:01:59

Good morning, Karen with an I. I was born in Lompoc And I live near Lompoc. And I am going to talk this morning when we think about the impending implementation of SB 43 in our community, it causes me to think about who's getting rhythm in our county? And this morning when I was reminded and all Conversations that happened about the Straus Wind Project. I was reminded of that three times this morning.

I think about George and Cheryl Bedford, the couple who spent a lot of money and a lot of time building their home in Megalito Canyon And they had their personal property rights and their right of enjoyment of their property completely destroyed by this county. So when we think about who's getting rhythm in this county, we need to be reminded of George and Cheryl Bedford who now cannot enjoy their home that they built because of the Straus Wind Project, which is also an eyesore.

That's the comment about that. How much time do I have left?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:03:41

One minute 18 seconds.

CommentKaren HauensteinProposed1:03:43

Then I am also reminded of the words of Brian Rosen who has spoken to you many times about the conservatorship fraud that happened to his family I'm reminded of the words of Brian Rosen, and I also am reminded of the fact that in our county when we look at the way the conservatorship law is used in our county already. We have to look at the actions of people like Judge Stern, Courtney DeSoto and Christy Michelon Vasquez who are operatives in our county, who work within conservatorships in our county.

I know about these people because Christy Michelon-Vazquez decided that she wanted to tell not the truth to Judge Staffel about me and that's going to be the subject of a complaint to the Bar Association about Christy Michelon- Vazquez. You've been informed. Thank you very much.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:05:02

Madam Clerk, the Zoom speaker. Are they on?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:05:05

Yes, Chair Lavinino and members of the board we have Parissa Bosay available on Zoom. Parissa?

CommentParisa BazaieProposedself-stated1:05:17

Hi can you hear me?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:05:19

Yes we can.

CommentParisa BazaieProposedself-stated1:05:23

My name is Parisa Bazaie and I'm a resident of Santa Barbara's 2nd District. Over the past three months, I've been advocating for local leaders to call for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Unfortunately it has come to my attention That Laura Capps has taken action to censor my voice along with those of other Santa Barbara residents. After leaving a comment on her public Instagram account urging her to call for a ceasefire, I was blocked and my comment removed. Given that this Instagram account is linked on the Board of Supervisors official website and is used for purposes related to her role as an elected official, this is deeply concerning and a violation of my First Amendment right. I will not be silenced, and I urge the board to pass a resolution in support of a ceasefire.

Thank you for your time.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:06:18

Thank you. Madam Clerk, any more requests to speak? General public comment.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:06:23

That concludes general public comment.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:06:25

Okay we're closing public comment we are moving to departmental item number one madam clerk.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:06:36

Chair Lavagnino and members of the board departmental item number one is from the county executive office it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Board of Supervisors 2024 appointments to boards commissions and committees As the board will call each January, the Board of Supervisors consider appointments to the boards commissions and committees on which a member or members of the Board of Supervisors serve.

We have two attachments to the board letter associated with this item. Attachment 1 reflects the 2023 Board of Supervisors appointments to boards, commissions and committees organized by board commission or committee alphabetically. And attachment 2 reflects the 2023 Board of Supervisors appointments to boards commissions and committees organized by supervisor as the board will see on the screen momentarily.

We will be displaying the 2023 appointments and we'll be tracking any and all changes as we go through the list of boards, commissions and committees. I recommend that we utilize attachment one of today's staff report as our guide which is distributed to the board in an easy-to-read table. And if the board members would like to take a closer look at the Excel spreadsheet as we go through it please switch your display panel to the video screen.

And with that I'm going to turn it over to Chair Lavinino and the Board for further discussion.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:07:53

OK, well I accept that recommendation to go to item one. But however, I am getting a message that says navigation of the web was canceled so I will let's see how else can I get there? Is it there now? He didn't tell me. Got it alright. I told you there's going I'm happy to continue but I would also be happy to surrender that if someone else wants a crack.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:08:44

If I might say, it's very exciting right now because we're working on a master plan for aging in the county. There are resources from the state. This is a really critical issue and I'm delighted to continue and would love to have somebody who's eager to work with

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:08:58

me.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:09:07

Okay,

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:09:08

we can keep the

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:09:08

Hartman Williams team

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:09:10

going then. Let's keep

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:09:10

that team rolling. Okay, Area Agency on Aging. That's myself. I'll keep that one unless anybody else is going to knock me over for it. Let's go to Beacon. Williams Caps with Hartman and Nelson as the alternates. Looks like I'm the only one left out of that mix. Are we all good with that set up? Okay. Behavioral Wellness Supervisor Caps. Okay. I'll wait for the, who's typing in? Okay there we go. Just want to make sure we're caught up here. CSAC.

We have Supervisor Williams as the chair and Supervisor Nelson is the alternate. Is that good? We're good with that okay.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:09:54

I just would like to express my interest in the future.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:09:59

And we're all on CSAC we're all able to attend whatever you want correct?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:10:03

Yeah everyone can Attend CSAC conferences and legislative efforts. It's essentially the representative that votes on the Thursday at the end of the conference.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:10:19

I'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:20

be happy to let Supervisor Capps actually have that alternate spot if that's something she's interested in holding officially.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:10:30

If that works for you with the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:10:31

RCRC? It does. With all my work with the RCRC, I'm on the executive committee now so I'm very engaged up there already with my other commitments as long as you guys will send me back this next year for RCRC but if that's okay then that's an open spot for you to be more engaged up there in Sacramento which i think is a important thing for all of us to do.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:10:50

Thank you. Great. Appreciate

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:10:51

it. F SenCal Health is Supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:10:57

Yes, and there's a revolution going on in health care and I want to stay with it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:11:02

Well if you say revolution too many times DAS is gonna want it so we gotta hold off the language there all right so Child Care Planning Council Supervisor Capps and then Supervisor Nelson as the alternate?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:11:15

I'm happy to continue.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:11:16

Continue on. As I am. Okay. Communify which used to be CAC is Supervisor Capps with me as the alternate

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:11:24

I'm happy to continue.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:11:25

OK, let's go there. Community Corrections Partnership Supervisor Williams. I'm happy to continue on that capacity. Got it? The Debt Advisory Committee. I am the chair with Supervisor Nelson as the alternate. Good with that? Happy to continue as well. OK. Elected Officials Committee on Regional Homelessness Solutions Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Nelson.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:11:50

I would love to continue.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:11:51

As would I. Good. First five, Children and Families, Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Capps as the alternate. I'm happy

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:12:00

to continue in some capacity but we could also switch who's the primary person if Supervisor Capps is interested in that. I am on a committee policy committee my only thing is I would hope as alternate to be able to continue to serve on the committee

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:12:18

I would like to keep it as it is right now. I have a deep interest in this, but as you may recall last year as the newbie, I got many, many committees so I think I'm good.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:12:28

Got it! Okay, so let's go to 15 which is Golden State Connect Authority Supervisor Nelson and I'm the alternate. Sure, you haven't missed any meetings because I'm not really sure what that is.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:12:42

Right so Gold State Connect Authority as well as Golden State Finance Authority are two subsidiaries of RCRC, Rural County Representatives of California. It is possible if any of you ever want to get engaged a little bit more with RCRC to take this spot so that you guys would have that opportunity as well but I think right now while I'm still getting my feet wet in that organization it's important for me to keep those spots.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:13:03

Okay very good and wait for the scroll up here Or do I do that? Oh, there we go. Okay so that takes us to the Juvenile Justice Coordination Council Supervisor Nelson with Supervisor Capps. Good on that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:13:20

Yes, sorry this is a little bit of an audible. It's a North County and South County, and I know you've been also interested in some of the juvenile justice issues. I'm happy to keep it. I have a great alternate that goes when I'm not able to go. It happens to be in a conflict with the homeless meeting that we have in the county so I'm rarely able to go although I have good relationship with Chief Benton who lets me know when it's important for me to show up. So I'm happy to keep it but if it's something you're ever interested

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:13:48

Probably next year, this year chair of Board of Supervisors, Chair of SBCAG and Chair of the Retirement Board. So I'm gonna have my plate full a little bit so let's go ahead and keep it the way it is, The Triple Crown and I'll definitely jump on next year. Kids Network Policy Council, Supervisor Hartman and Capps both shaking their head yes that's good. The Law Library Board of Trustees we have Supervisor Hartman.

Is that something you're still interested in or I have somebody also that might be interested?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:14:18

I'm very happy to continue it is though the prerogative of the chair to appoint.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:14:24

It is and I do have somebody in mind but I don't want to take it away from you either so if it's something you really want to

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:14:30

do. They often look to me to have county knowledge, so if you have somebody with county knowledge who would like to do it I'm happy to defer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:14:41

So Chair Lavagnino, Supervisor Hartman my appointee that had when I was Chairman was Jason Parsons, who had formerly been a staff member in my office before going off to law school and then working. So he was a great representative that he's interested in getting back on there. He worked really well with Judge Ennerly and Mr. Cooney so

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:15:00

go for it.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:15:01

That's something you're okay with? Okay we'll go Jason Parsons. Parsons oh but it's me or okay so yeah so put me down as the I can because then I can designate so it'll be Supervisor Lavagnino as the Law Library person Legislative Program Committee, we have Supervisor Williams and Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:15:21

I'd like to continue.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:15:22

Still good there? OK. Library Advisory Committee. Boy let's all throw our hands up. Your name is on there Doss. I'll be happy to continue with that. OK. LAFCO. We have terms so we have Supervisor Williams Terming out in 26, Nelson as the alternate in 26 and Supervisor Hartman as a member terming out in 27. So we're all good with those correct? Okay multi-jurisdictional solid waste task force supervisor Hartman caps I'll get there.

NACO I'm the member and Supervisor Williams is the alternate It's one of my favorites and I enjoy that. I'm just waiting for

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:16:11

me to come with you or if you don't make it, I got a

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:16:17

couple years left.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:16:19

And then yes, express future interest in

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:16:22

that. Yes, absolutely. The Psychiatric Health Facility PUF Governing Board myself and Supervisor Capps as the alternate. I don't think I missed too many of those be interested in continuing that very interesting.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:16:34

Thank you for doing that. It's really

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:16:36

important. It is, it is really opened my eyes to the way maybe we should do things in other areas.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:16:41

Chair Lavinia, I think it's great that you're doing that. I did it for two years as well but that was supposed to be something we eventually do rotationally so we all get a chance just for everybody else to know that it's something you may want to consider doing if you haven't done yet or haven't done in a while. It is a really important thing for us all to understand with the future of behavioral illness in our county especially this piece.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:17:03

I did it when we think we first started, then I cycled out and back in. But if anybody else is interested, it's an eye opener so maybe in the future. SB serves retirement board. I'm there till term ends on December 31st at 25, which I think is my last day anyway. Rural County Representative of California, RCRC is Supervisor Nelson. I'm your alternate?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:17:30

Yes please.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:17:30

Okay sounds good and then the Workforce Innovation Opportunity Act Board the last one is Supervisor Nelson you still good there?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:17:37

In the future I'd like that to be considered but happy to wait.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:17:41

Outstanding all right so I think we have identified those is there any public comment on this item Madam Clerk

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:17:49

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, we have no request to speak from the public on this item. And just as a recap, we are moving forward all appointments except for the change to E California State Association of Counties CSAC. The alternate is now going to be Supervisor Capps and to Q the Law Library Board of Trustees is now going to be Supervisor Lavinino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:18:15

Okay I think that sums that up. Can I get a motion to approve? So move. Second. Supervisor Williams, seconded by Nelson. All those in favor?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:18:29

Aye.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:18:32

Aye. Passes unanimously. All right that takes us to administrative, I mean departmental item number two We're good with our interpreter, everything fine. We're on schedule so I'm not sure if you want to take a break now or not. Want a quick one? Let's do a five minute break and we'll be right back. You ready? All right, I'd like to reconvene this meeting of the County Board of Supervisors. Madam Kirk will you please read departmental item number two into the record.

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.761:25:40

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, departmental item number two is from the Community Services Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the county percent for arts program and process improvements.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:25:53

Morning Sarah

CommentKaren HauensteinProposed · by introduction1:25:54

Good morning Chair Lavinino and Supervisors. Giving the presentation today for Percent4Arts is our Executive Director of the County Arts & Culture, Sarah Rubin. Excellent.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:26:04

Thank you. Good morning Chair Lavinino and members of the Board. We are here today to request your guidance on how to improve the

GovJana PetersenCounty Executive OfficerProposedvoiceprint 0.561:26:13

implementation

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:26:22

No, there we go. That's much better. I think people listening at home will appreciate hearing that too. All right. Good morning. Sharla Veneno members of the board. We are here today to request your guidance on how to improve the implementation of the County's Percent for Arts Ordinance, which is our mechanism to allocate funding and our commitment to our communities to ensuring that everyone has access to more welcoming, vibrant and accessible public spaces.

For this presentation I'll give a brief overview of what a government percent for art policy entails, how ours has been exceptional and some of the challenges that we are currently facing. To resolve these challenges staff has developed three different options for board consideration Option one is oriented toward making the process clearer and more effective.

This includes clarification of policy terms and identification of a timeline. Additional considerations for this option include a provision to offset program management costs, and updating the budgetary threshold requiring board discussion. Option two would include elements from the first As well as policy expansion options to improve the program's reach and sustainability.

Option three would use a more streamlined process to arrive at a similar allocation figure, but much more efficiently. And for reasons that I will detail later when I go through these further, this is staffs recommended option. Before we go into the weeds of arts policy verbiage, I wanted to stop and check in about why it matters. There are lots of really great statistics about the benefits of public art, increased public safety, higher property values, promoting tourism, civic cohesion, and it just makes places look and feel nicer.

But a daily privilege of my job is seeing arts community impact firsthand. One of my favorite stories was in 2019 when we installed the tiny libraries outside of the actual libraries around the county, and Guadalupe was our last stop. When we went to put the books in, a little boy would take each one immediately off of the shelf After we would put them on and it turned out that he had an e-reader at home, but he didn't own physical books.

And the idea of having one to keep was delightful. He came back later with his friends. There were lots of selfies from Guadalupe with those libraries. Santa Maria Public Libraries called to complain when we had to take theirs back and decided to commission a new one. Anyway I think that really speaks to why this can be important and meaningful. So what is a percent for arts policy?

Well, governments began adopting these in the 60s and new ones are still being established today. The premise is that during capital construction or renovation between one to 3% of a project budget is set aside to include artwork for community betterment policies can apply to public and or private development. And for instance, the county of Santa Cruz has both Over the past few years, we have reviewed many percent for our policies and policy briefs and discussed the process with colleagues around the country to figure out how to best support ours. Common goals include promoting equity and ensuring opportunities for disadvantaged and isolated communities to also host vibrant public spaces.

Aligning art investment with economic conditions for capital investment Streamlining processes so that leadership doesn't need to allocate project by project, and of course supporting communities to connect and share their cultures. In Santa Barbara County I think we've all seen art bring us together and bring hope in some of the hardest times. And as you think about this presentation and conversation today, if there are those special places or moments in your communities that should be commemorated, this program is for that.

So our county specific percent for arts ordinance was adopted in 1978, about a year after the establishment of the Arts Commission codified in Chapter 7A of the County Code. When departments bring requests over $100,000 to the board for capital appropriations 1% of the estimated project cost must be included for community public art. Allocated funding is deposited into the county arts trust and stewarded by the Arts Commission and community.

The art can be an integral part of the structure or exhibited in other public facilities, and per the most current ordinance projects generating over $75,000 require board discussion. So our program has been remarkable. Over the past 45 years, we've created almost 100 site-specific projects spanning each supervisorial district. Our murals in Santa Maria, Guadalupe and Lompoc are recognized internationally for their equity principles and community leaders are up there who will never be And textbooks painted on walls are painted on those walls.

But in addition to creating a permanent structural art, these funds allow us to exhibit local artists and North and South County galleries display collections and pop up temporary sculptures staff have been able to bring it about a three to one match from philanthropic and government sources And now I'd like to briefly touch on what public art can be because I think that's helpful context.

In my experience, people think about art as paintings on walls and that's true, definitely part of our program. In fact the Arts Commission invested percent money to establish a gallery in the Better Avia Administration Building so that we could have galleries in North County and South County And I've seen so many wedding ceremonies right in front of that art and apparently statistically one per day. And think we all agree that people deserve to have a space they can be proud of, to get married and that we're able to offer that is something I'm proud of.

So the majority of our percent projects combined form and function, and maybe not look like art that people recognize immediately as such. So the process goes after funding has been allocated we work with a capital project manager Identify needs like outdoor shade. And then we work with staff who use the space, the Arts Commission community to develop the artwork and you probably recognize some of these examples but it spans playground equipment stairs and walkways pedestrian bridges railings light posts crosswalks and it goes on.

These projects require the same industrial grade materials like wiring as any other county construction, and we also need to conduct seismic and structural engineering review. Thanks to Public Works for help with that. And afterwards staff has to monitor the artwork to ensure good condition and maintain public safety. So the reason that we're here today is that we needed the board's help to recalibrate the percent process Because it's stuck.

So under current policy language, departments employ varying and sometimes contradictory processes for identifying eligible capital projects and calculating the 1% to include in appropriations requests. Primary questions have included definitions for ordinance language such as estimated project cost facility Building, structure, park or parking facility or any portion thereof. There's been a lot of conversation about those eight words and additionally there has been confusion about the timeline for transferring allocated funds which can be routed for years sometimes and this has caused us to miss out on some significant matching grants from the state and the Fed and also has delayed projects or stopped them completely and impacted workflow.

So these delays have also contributed to a significant backlog of capital art deferred maintenance so people are generally surprised to learn that And even though the project has deferred maintenance and our percent for art funding. A significant component of it goes to supporting the maintenance, and even though the projects are built to industrial specifications like you can see their chromatic gate is powder coated steel like a car physical art weathers just like any other structure.

And so these structures and elements aren't included in the regular deferred maintenance budgeting process to cover things like rebuilding the wooden structures, retiling a floor mosaic, replacing light fixtures and wiring. And that's the option. So the good news is that this should be like a pretty straightforward fix or there are different ways to approach it and to address most of these issues and following many conversations With parks, general services, capital projects, public works, the CEO's office and county council.

We've developed three potential pathways to improving the process. And right now I'll go through each in a bit more detail. So for option one we would clarify vocabulary based on definitions in the California Public Contract Code to standardize a common baseline for interdepartmental communication This option also identifies that art allocations should be deposited into the Arts Trust concurrently with the transfer of county funds to the department that requested the capital project allocation or appropriation.

This would keep the program moving without policing the POPA, and additionally it carves out 25% of the allocation to offset project management costs. Another benefit is that it updates the current requirement For the board to discuss every our allocation over seventy five thousand dollars. Option two would incorporate all of the same elements as option one but also consider broadening the program to help reach more local communities and build a path to address deferred art maintenance that will continue During this year's budgeting process, we received a BIF asking staff to look into different ways that counties fund the increasing costs of public art.

Primary methods include increasing the percentage of funds to be allocated Such as 1.5%. I always look at San Francisco's 3% longingly and recognize that's not us, and developing a policy for commercial or industrial development. And if you choose to go this direction staff can research in return. So option three is the Arts Commission and staff recommendation. It was developed in partnership with the CEO's office as a less complicated method to get to the same place instead of calculating percent allocations and running through that process on a project by project basis, this would simplify it to one annual allocation of two hundred thousand dollars Plus CPI. And the algorithm here is 1% of the structures and structural improvements, capital projects line item.

It's in the same spirit of the current program. The cumulative figure would be about the same. In this fiscal year for instance that the person allocation would already exceed that but over time it should be pretty close to a wash. And major pros of this option are the increased capacity for planning, efficiency of monitoring and positioning the county for grants.

Other benefits include being able to budget time and resources for those smaller and larger process or projects, streamlining workflow across departments, building out our deferred maintenance schedule in a reasonable and manageable way looking forward And at the end of the day, what puts this first for me is that it mitigates human error. Because currently everything is determined in process person to person project a project which I think has opened up some of these gaps over the years.

So one last note before we conclude, I wanted to make a note about the allocation for project management in these options. Currently we rely on a diminishing fund balance to produce and manage public art including things like the purchase of tools and equipment The percent's restrictions, which precludes those things are similar to most legacy programs that we administer like the Santa Barbara Bulls Art Subsidy. And the funding is passed through without a provision for administration. So we'll return during budget hearings to discuss this overall structural deficit. But we wanted to make a note now because these options could be one lever To building out that more sustainable operating model. So in conclusion, we would ask the board to give direction on which of these presented options you would prefer or additional direction also how you best see this program serving your communities and anything else you'd care to ask or know and will return with a draft red line ordinance for your review.

Thank you for your time.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:41:17

All right. Thank you very much, Sarah. Supervisor Nelson? Yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:41:20

thank you, Chair Lavanino. I was intrigued by the idea of deferred maintenance with art. It's amazing how that term has gotten popular over the years. But who owns the art? That's the question because I'm kind of confused that this does not fit either under parks or general services so Can you help me clarify that, or maybe CO as well? I'm just going to make sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:41:44

Absolutely. So it's county-owned art. We build it. We own it. We maintain it. And sometimes it's in a park and then we can work with parks to pull some of those deferred maintenance funds. But when it's on the facade of the social services building there's not a good argument we can make to the…

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:42:02

Well, in that case it's general services, right? It's location based.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:42:07

It's all county owned, it's location based as to whose jurisdiction it is for fixing it. But even then that's...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:42:15

Well I guess my question would be for the CEO's office so how does the CEO's office see? Is it location based on who owns that art or is it you know, because offices are all owned by the county. I think clarifying that needs to be done today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:42:31

So one thing just, and I'll let ACO Horton answer some of that question since he oversees journal services as well as CSD but I think it's we can answer your question supervisor but I also want to echo what Sarah said that a lot of the art isn't just standalone art its integrated into the structures its integrated into the building so in those cases it would be CSD parks part of their normal maintenance or General services, but there are instances where there are standalone artworks. I'm assuming that have to be maintained But for for a lot of things she's talking about place structures integration of art You know into bridges etc it becomes part of the capital project and is then the responsibility There's no separate arts fund to help to maintain to maintain those anything more to add

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:43:19

So if I can continue along that Train of thought My understanding right now is the 1% potentially is being done, but it's just not tracked as well. Because it is going into capital projects when capital projects have a component that might be architectural or artistic in its feature and they spend additional funds to make those upgrades. Right now we consider that satisfying the ordinance that exists now. Will that be changing here? And the reason why that's important is if that's incorporated into an existing capital project At the same time, we're asking now for at the beginning of the project money to be moved over.

Would it be moved over to the arts side and then move back that project? I'm just trying to understand how that progression or that would work.

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction1:44:09

No, Supervisor. There would be a direct allocation in the arts so you wouldn't have each project funding an arts project. It would come right off the top of capital projects. Right now if you have five projects, 1% that qualify and 1% of each of those five projects are going to the arts. This would simplify the process and take relatively the same funding and provide it to the arts so you're not processing

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:44:42

it through each construction project. So what I'm concerned about is the unintended consequence of that might be that a project may not choose to incorporate some of the artistic things that we do with newer buildings now, because right now they have a choice. Do you do that into your existing building? Do you add that flair for your future employees or do you write a check Department. So, you know it there is a decision here, you know, maybe maybe end up having both still but if we're doing right off the top and that incentive for department that's building a project they may no longer have that incentive in place to incorporate art into that project so am I understanding that correctly?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:45:24

And Supervisor Nelson, if I might address that. The way that the ordinance is currently structured in any of these options or the way that it's currently designed, the funding you know there's a 1% line item that gets transferred over its under Arts Commission jurisdiction. The capital project managers not all of the projects would be appropriate for an arts integration So the first thing they do is note, hey this is a need and this would be appropriate. And then we look at how do we get to that place in real time? That's also not happened for the last few years because the projects have been kind of stalled in allocating the arts or moving the allocated funds to the arts. But ultimately the Arts Commission makes the decisions about Where to integrate or put art, and some of it does go toward things like deferred maintenance.

Some goes to the galleries to display art. Some goes to things like the tiny libraries or the camouflage house that was in Orkut. And so I do think over the years there they've reached a really remarkable balance of some geographic parity even though as written it's not dictated

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:46:48

So my last question and thank you. And these questions are, I don't mean to be tough or anti-art here because I really appreciate all the work that you Sarah and your team have been doing but I do want to get my arms around this. I mean because it is really about it's your job to be pushing for this so I do appreciate you doing that but for us we have to prioritize that against other interests. So that gets to the budget impact here. The option three where has a $200,000 of general fund contribution.

Is that a budget expansion? Is that what we're looking at?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:47:17

Supervisors in effect, I'm going to answer that in two ways. In fact yes and no. So the $200,000 was what the team came up with based on historic use and what they would think the general fund contribution would be so for example your board would have been looking at projects and the cost of those general fund capital projects And adding on some amount to cover the percent for arts because it's all general fund. So having said that, so that's in theory how we believe it would work. We've been talking about this presentation and trying to resolve this issue for probably over a year now and since then Paul Clemente had brought to the board our five-year forecast which shows that we don't have any ongoing general fund in the immediate term. So the plan would be, it would be an expansion but we would fund it with one-time dollars just like we would fund capital projects until such time where there was ongoing general fund to support this if this is the board's desire.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:48:15

Okay thank you Chair Miyasato so before I get too far into the deliberations because those were just my questions I'll just float out that one of the ideas I had Here was really looking at maybe some type of revenue source that wasn't general fund, maybe some type of assessment on activities that happen at county facilities. Something similar to the Santa Barbara Bowl. Some of those revenues potentially revenues then then goes feeds into the arts program so that kind of makes more sense than actually grabbing general fund dollars that might compete with road maintenance law enforcement other critical issues if there's a way for us to connect that.

That's someplace where I would get a little bit more comfortable with that because I do want to find some sustaining revenue for you it just General fund as we hear, there's gonna be a lot of other departments and a lot of other needs going into this over the next few years. And so I have heartburn there but I would like to try to find that resource and maybe work with the entire board on what those options could be you know just 50 cents on per ticket the San Barbara Bowl produces $50,000. You know how could we look at that? You know in an expanded way is something I was trying to think about as you know we've tried to find alternatives to get Supervisor Leopold.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:49:48

Yes, I had a few questions and the first I think is following a bit on what Supervisor Nelson was trying to get because I still don't understand it. When a project comes through money comes off the top for arts 1% and how we define how much is kind of the definitional question that we're wrestling with right now but then You've got a pot of money. How does that get allocated by the Arts Commission to different projects such as playgrounds and bridges? And what's the process to make the link between the money in the public works or the general services projects?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:50:28

So, thank you Supervisor Hartman. And for the larger site-specific builds those go in tandem with a project that generated a percent for art provision that's substantive enough to really create something so it's those projects receive what's first right of refusal And that's what would kind of prioritize the decision to create something there. And then the remainder funds or that balance then goes into supporting the other things.

And also in terms of the allocation, it's already in process. So yes, I perceive it as the same funding and that it's already in place and mostly coming through to ART. So part of the reason that I feel comfortable asking to consider it in this other way is that knowing budgetary constraints It's largely similar funds that would be allocated, just a one-time process.

This has been a source of questions over the years. Some of them were structural, so a bridge is structural. So there are elements, subterranean things wouldn't. These haven't been applied to utilities. They could if you wanted to expand it but we've primarily looked at parks and general services because so much of that is structural And then

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:52:23

you mentioned about commercial and industrial, and I'm just curious how many...I would like at some point to explore what that would mean.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:52:35

We've we've looked at different kind of comp or benchmark models as I mentioned Santa Cruz has one Watsonville just adopted one. And we pulled the numbers for Santa Barbara County and that would be around 1.1 percent so for just commercial In the most recent fiscal year, we're looking at $150 million or 1.5 and that's countywide so then if you subtract the jurisdiction under the municipalities it's a smaller amount but I think Watsonville is a percent and a half. I've seen as low as 0.25% but we could bring back those figures

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:53:19

Well, I think your department is grossly underfunded. I think that the arts are just critical to our quality of life, the vibrancy, the creativity, how we feel in the spaces that we occupy and it really affects our mentality As you mentioned, sort of how we relate to each other in space. And so it's subtle, it's nuanced but it's really really important. I share Supervisor Nelson's interest in the Santa Barbara Bowl that is a county asset And I think it's in Supervisor Williams' district. And I know he's been exploring this, but there is no cost of living adjustment and it seems to me that this asset isn't being...

The governance is a little strange to me what role that the county has given its interest in this asset. But if ever there were a place where It seems to me that is it so I would like to signal loud and clear that we want to look carefully at that as an option going forward. I understand you have different alternatives for us to consider. The definitional question doesn't go away though even if we go with the third option, so I'm not sure how to address that.

So I'll wait till deliberations to say more but that's what I have to say for now.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:55:09

Before we go to Supervisor Capps, I think Supervisor Nelson wanted to weigh in on something really

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:55:12

quickly. Yeah, just wanted to clarify something for Supervisor Hartman. I understand that Public Works does have a requirement to incorporate art into some of their bridges and some of the material. If you actually look at some of the bridges, some of that artistic work that you might see on the guardrails or some of the coloring, that comes from, I believe, a requirement for some artistic upgrades to those Public Works facilities. So I've looked into it in the past. Supervisor Capps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.911:55:37

Thank you, thanks for the presentation. I really appreciated your examples. I think you are this is a clear example of a small and mighty team that has big impact and just to see what we're talking about. The 200,000 is literally a drop in the bucket of what we're dealing with it in our county budget, and yet the projects I've witnessed spark so much joy and magic. And so I'm all supportive of doing more, and I wanted to just ask one question Um, this option three that's being proposed.

Uh, a new approach because I've heard this from my art commissioners that there's so much ambiguity about the 1% program and how much funding they'll actually be that this would eliminate uh, that ambiguity and give more certainty to the community to get engaged. So if you can talk please about how changing to this approach would allow for more even more input than you've been able to achieve thus far and involve the community moreso?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:56:38

Absolutely, thank you Supervisor Caps. So as I mentioned a little bit earlier we largely consider this the funding's already been allocated but it takes sometimes years to come over to the Arts Trust because it's routed through different departments and there's no timeline specified. Or additionally, back to the confusion about definitions I think it's different points in a process when a department might realize or not that actually what they are doing falls under the ordinance.

And so there's not... It's very difficult to anticipate when projects will come online And and so knowing, you know kind of in advance there's roughly this allocation. Roughly these projects I think give us more staff more time to turn face outward and talk bring in or create more opportunities intentionally to talk to community members with the Arts Commission instead of chasing things internally But also I think lets us workshop ideas in real time with them to see, and I'm sure each of you have ideas for what could be great in your districts. And to really bring those out and have those conversations in a way that's much more manageable and actionable than the vague down the line we should have a thing coming here for you. Let's talk about that then.

Does that get there?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:58:22

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:58:23

Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:58:24

Okay, I just have one question. So how what is the Department now of Arts and Culture like what are the Office of Arts and Culture so not department but the That's you and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:58:41

And so just a background, we used to be a subdivision of parks for many years. And then in 2015 when CSD became a super group with our fantastic associates and HCD Thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:59:24

Are you funded through the 1%? But there's no way that we could fund four employees through the 1%.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:59:29

Yeah. And currently, there's not a provision for staff funding through the 1%, so we're... Staff time is funded through... There's 170 general funds and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:59:40

contracts. Supervisor, the general fund, the ongoing general fund contribution for the arts program is $261,600. Okay. And as Sarah has mentioned, the capital money they get from 1% for arts, it's for these different projects or programs.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:59:54

All right, thank you. Okay yes Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.861:59:58

Thank you just a quick question if we move to option three with options one and two there are often grants or state money or federal money that go into those and so the 1% is paid partly from those sources right so if it goes to general fund option 3 it comes entirely out of our hide so to speak is that correct?

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction2:00:26

That's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:00:26

correct. But if I may make a note, Supervisor Hartman, it's it's I think it's a small enough percentage that it's almost again back to the term wash because of the trigger for applying the percent is the addition of county dollars to that money. So at the end of the year when you look at those thresholds

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:00:52

Okay,

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:00:53

we

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:00:53

done

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:00:53

the questions? I just have a question about that. So what you're saying is that the frequency of a federally funded or state funded project that we actually can have qualified for this is pretty rare so we don't usually get it covered in that manner anyway? Is that what essentially you're saying?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:01:18

Thank you, Supervisor Williams. It's it's more as those you know it's variable the if and when those come online and we need to be able to demonstrate immediately that we've got a match and can move forward and or with something like option C we can even have projects planned which obviously makes us more competitive but because back to the indefinite timeline we're not sure when funding will come through We can't put in for their component or portion because we don't have dollars yet to put on the table.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:01:52

And does that usually make the art at the end of the day more expensive by not knowing the timeline and having to do it post facto? It

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:02:02

can make it more expensive, for instance, for a contract on an underpass where Doing wiring as they build out the underpass for art so that we don't have to retroactively tear things up, put it. So there's ways that saves cost too but also when we get a match like sometimes from the state it's two-to-one or something and so we're able to create a more robust project which is wonderful.

Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:02:30

Okay Madam Clerk are there any requests to speak from the public?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:02:35

Chair Lavinino and members of the board. Yes, we have four requests to speak from the public and before we go to the public I see CSD Department Director George Trafgian on Zoom with his hand raised.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:02:46

Good morning Chairs Lavinino. I just want to clarify the issue of the Santa Barbara Bowl contract. We did look at that. It is a pretty... That contract is locked tight. There's no way to open that up unless the bowl comes back to the county asking for additional dates Uh, we can't even terminate this contract. So it's a long term contract is to the benefit of bold but not to the county so

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:03:15

Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:03:16

Yeah, aware of that I and knowing that this question was going to come up. I have been in dialogue with the chair of Ball Foundation and with the executive director and just ask them you know look can you dialogue with Golden Voice your promoter and see if this is some increase in surcharges implementable within not not in a way that did detract from the great work at the foundation does Already funding arts, but in a way that makes helps make arts funding in the county sustainable.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:03:52

Great.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:03:54

Chair Valadio?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:03:55

Yes,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:03:55

sir. You know part of my thought process and I looked into it as well about the Santa Barbara Bowl was not to pick on the bowl but if there are other you know festivals that might hold on county properties where we sell per ticket that that might be able to be looked at beyond just the Santa Barbara Bowl is that solution so as we look at that maybe look more throughout the entire county and not just pick on on the bowl itself was kind of where I was going with this as we continue this discussion You know, as Kachuma comes more online and there might have more events there that might be something where concerts or something along those lines. That might be additional motivation for us to move those things along so you know I thought it could be more instead of just with the contract with Santa Barbara Bowl that is really maybe a county assessment for you know uses on County facilities or something along those lines.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:04:45

So we have four requests to speak. I'm allowed three minutes per speaker and will close public comment Madam Clerk please proceed

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:04:53

Chair Lavanino, members of the board. Yes we have four requests to speak and we're going to begin in Santa Barbara with Rod Rolls to be followed by George Yatchian. Rod?

CommentRod Roll I'mProposedself-stated2:05:09

Good morning supervisors. My name is Rod Roll I'm a Brooks grad and documentary photographer and I had back in nineteen In 1988, I had the pleasure of working with muralist Judy Baca who was working on the Guadalupe Mural Project and the Santa Barbara County Arts Commission, Commission B to work with her as a documentary photographer. The project really helped the community gain legacy. It was like a point in time that was I think very much needed in Guadalupe.

The community got together and brought us pictures from all the families in Guadalupe, and we did a lot of talking to people in the community, and it really gave them a sense of unity. During that time Judy asked me to come up with a photograph that's one photograph that would say Guadaluable. I gave her some thought and I said, why don't we invite everybody down to Guadalupe Street and take a picture?

And I didn't think she was going to accept it. But she said yeah let's go ahead with it. It's a great idea. So we talked to the city council there and several community groups and everybody was all in. And then we got together on the Saturday afternoon and created Big picture. And I just wanted to show that to you. All right, cool. It was interesting. I wasn't expecting this. I expected everybody to show up. But the community instantly automatically put the elders and the children in the first row.

This is our history, our past and our future. And it really shows the community was all in and they wanted everybody to see this new image of Guadalupe. Not the image that necessarily is on TV but this is the real sense of spirit of our community. So I'm all here to speak in favor For art increases, because projects like this create legacy. And the Guadalupe murals are up at City Hall up there in Guadalupe and the photos are actually downstairs in the garden atrium so feel free to visit and I thank you for your time. Thank you

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:08:11

Rob. So I know it's going to come up later. So remember, we're there we go. There we go. We're doing this. If you if you ever want to leave your job as a photographer, I think voiceover work would be great man. Yeah.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:08:32

We will now go to George Yatchian to be followed by Chris Yost.

CommentGeorge AtchisonProposedself-stated2:08:42

Good morning County Board of Supervisors. I'm George Atchison and I'm here to recommend the county support arts funding transparently, conveniently and most importantly generously. I am a 29 year resident of Santa Barbara recently retired from a career at UCSB. To me Santa Barbara County would not be vital at all without its great wealth of creative people from those who whimsically paint pianos to those who happily play them To those clever enough to come up with the ideas to put them on State Street in the first place.

And that's just one brilliant example of what the county needs more of. The arts are a critical issue, not an add-on. Art is what makes us human after all. It allows us to sustain and grow. It soothes and challenges. It memorializes and permits us to plot a better future. Your actions today can help ensure art isn't just locked up behind gates in Montecito, but can be part of everyone's more vibrant life from Santa Maria to Carpinteria.

Accessible public art enriches a county soul and often if you play your cards right enriches its coffers too as it draws tourists and tax dollars. Just saying. Thank you. Please choose option three. Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:10:03

We will now go to Chris Yost and then we'll go to Zoom with Patrick Melroy. Chris?

CommentChris YostProposedself-stated2:10:10

Good morning. My name is Chris Yost. I was appointed Santa Barbara Poet Laureate in 2013, a time when that position served not just the city but the County of Santa Barbara. I am also an incoming member of the City's Arts Advisory Committee. As a poet, I'll be brief. I spend a lot of time with words and considering the percent for the arts program, I value what this program states about the arts.

That a percent is a piece of the whole. We would not be whole without the arts. They are an essential part of what we need as individuals and as a community. Public art, like this under consideration, is the most democratic form of the visual arts. For those without time or access to visit our museums, public art provides an essential opportunity to see things in a new way and to literally open new pathways in the mind.

It is my hope that the county will find a way to implement this program with clarity and efficiency, to bring more art more equitably and more prominently to all members of our community.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:11:16

Thank you very much.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:11:18

We'll now go to our final speaker Patrick Melroy on Zoom.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:11:29

Hello supervisors. Good morning. Good morning. I live and work in Santa Barbara County. I'm the parent of a six year old, and we spend an enormous amount of time seeking out public art in our community. The tiny libraries as was mentioned are a huge part of my kid's childhood. Public arts, we believe is key to us identifying as a culturally significant region.

When we speak about significant places around the world, we often describe the art of the place first. Public art reflects who we are as a community Art in public can also activate or stimulate conversations around who we are now and who we want to become. I encourage you to utilize the guidance of your staff, they're unbelievably knowledgeable and beyond committed to what's happening here and what we do in this community.

And they are the first layer of stakeholders. Their recommendations and their advocacy for public art is reasonable and it's necessary. And I thank you for your continued support of the arts.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:12:34

And that concludes public comment on this item.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:12:36

I'm going to bring it back to the board for deliberation. OK, I have a question about kind of a hybrid and I don't know maybe this is what you were thinking of originally but what about melding the two ideas of having a general fund allocation but then trying to backfill that with this ticket? You know, I mean we make an initial $200,000 investment But then we try to implement these new policies. We work with the bowl, we work with whatever other organizations where we're collecting tickets use that revenue that then goes in and tries to backfill that 200 but just kind of an idea I was thinking about.

See on this

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:13:28

supervisors I think you heard from the staff and my offices we think simplicity is better so we would like option 3. But I appreciate to given our fiscal condition and so whatever happens or you do need to clarify what you want to do with existing percent for ordinance. So that would be one thing that staff's looking for direction for today. And then if you would like us to pursue option three with, we can come back at budget in April the workshops and have a discussion about how we handle that. We could put a $200,000 allocation that's meant for arts with some nexus to public art There are public facilities and then you can tell us when the department can come back with ideas in April as far as other revenue generation. And you could tell us at that point whether we continue that or not, or it could be at least for this first year it could be one year and then we look at it six months after that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:14:24

Okay Supervisor Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:14:27

Thank you so What are you, are you saying that we need to repeal the existing? Center for the Arts did go ahead and moved option three. That what's part of that where we no longer have that requirement because there's just a direct funding source.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:14:43

CMES, may I answer that or would you like

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:14:46

to? It appears to me the existing ordinance is in effect. And so right now your departments are trying to find out there's that's the complication of calculating it and then the timing for the department because as Sarah said, the timing is also difficult. So they can't plan when they get the funding. So. Would be a question about whether they have to rescind the ordinance way to saying yes, you would Or I know the county council could hold the ordinance in abeyance. I don't know if that's possible while we pilot this new process.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:15:25

Mr. Chair, members of the board, you could amend the ordinance to make it clear. You could rescind it. I don't really know a mechanism to place it on hold but we could resend and we could always readopt at a later point with different provisions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:15:41

So in theory, we rescind it effective July 1st the new fiscal year so that the new funding budget cycle with this new revenue source. The big question will be whether that's general fund or whether we can find other revenues to potentially pay for it. I'm not ready today to absolutely commit general fund and I want to still explore these other options before I make that commitment but I'm interested in this simplistic step forward And I guess and then therefore rescinding once that is in place, the current ordinance.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:16:18

So is that option three then? Now I know why this was so confusing for you for so long.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:16:26

I would say if your direction is that you'd like us to proceed conceptually with pursuing option three and that we would come back to the board with how we would accomplish that, and the timing of when the existing ordinance could be rescinded Thank you. So I just wanted to clarify that the provision for option 3 would be as an amendment to the ordinance?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:17:02

And so even looking as a red line version to bring back what we had worked through with County Council was slightly modifying the current ordinances language. So it wouldn't be, I believe in the amendment process that you rescind first but rather that would bring the draft red line Amendment for review, tweaking and approval. But I also know that the Arts Commission and I would be concerned about losing a codified indefinite support of the arts if it were just to be a one-off with the ordinance rescinded

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:17:44

Honestly, I don't understand all that. But

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:17:48

I don't know if our

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:17:49

yeah, I'm going to be honest. It was pretty clear to me before it for that. So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:17:54

the question of whether you amend or rescind the ordinance, et cetera. County Council has given her response that you could amend it, you could resend it. But if we're not going to do a one percent per arts calculation and change it with something else, I would my recommendation would be to rescind the ordinance. And if Sarah, you need more definitions still Applied for how the funding is spent, we could come back with an ordinance to say that.

I'm hoping that would suffice and looking at yeah.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:18:26

Go ahead. You want to make a

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:18:27

motion? Have at it. I was just going to make the motion, essentially as articulated by the CEO that we conceptually approve option three and that we return with the department articulating the funding options for making that sustainable beyond the first year. Essentially, the first year we would have to use general fund and we'd have to figure out how to make that work In the long run, and I guess figure out this question of whether we need to rescind part of the ordinance.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.862:19:06

I would second, but I'd also like to say I'm not interested just in backfilling. I think we need to bring more funding to this department. It's critical and I understand we probably have to use one-time funding in the budget process for several years but I'm committed to at least maintaining the status quo going forward And so I think the bowl is important.

And then I would also like to know, you know for industrial commercial. Are there other options? I know that cities do this and again, I think it's critical to the vitality of our community and so we need to make it front and center. Thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:20:07

Supervisor Capps

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.912:20:08

Yeah, I agree with the motion and I just wanted to add you provided some examples of other jurisdictions what they do. But I know in the past in conversations you had highlighted San Diego is being San Diego County, I believe, is having a strong program putting on the spot. Can you speak to that now or as we move forward in the years to come with budget process? If you can help enlighten us on how other jurisdictions handle funding arts Thank you, Supervisor Caps.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed2:20:36

Something that San Diego does that the other jurisdictions do which I think could also be complicated here they do lots of the things that we do and they have a percent program that's robust and beautiful and incorporated into their public spaces but they do also work with the enterprise programs To incorporate there, which is common and technically could be a use of funds with provisions. But I think that's part of the reason that it is more robust but we can certainly research and come up with kind of a clear definition of some of their work that's aspirational for us.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.912:21:19

Thank you. I agree with Supervisor Hartman that I'm fine with this motion, but hope that we're not just trying to achieve status quo but actually looking for creative ways of building on this program. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:21:32

I would agree with that. But we shall see in April when we talk about every other department and everybody else and all the other competing interests. So we have a motion and a second. Madam

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:21:48

Chair Lavagnino members of the board just to confirm the maker of the motion that was to approve a conceptual motion to approve option three which is part of recommendation B and then if we can also include recommendation A to receive a file and C CEQA.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:22:06

That's correct.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:22:12

Supervisor Nielsen. Thank you, Chairman Levin. So we get to budget hearings and we realize that there's too many commitments out there. What is our fallback? Too many what? Too many other commitments. OK. What is our fallback here? Would it be to keep the status quo and revisit this? I just want to make sure that we have options, that we're not totally committing ourselves at this moment, that we still can keep that door open. I think there are some voices up here that would support where we're headed. But where are we heading in that direction?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:22:40

Supervisor Nelson through the Chair, you always have options to keep what we have. As far as budget is, we know we'll have one-time money of at least $200,000 to support this endeavor for a year and then we'll see where we are in the future years but you could always tell us at that time to go back to status quo.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:23:00

Thank you. All

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:23:02

right before we vote Mr. Chaptian I believe you still had your hand raised?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:23:10

Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:23:10

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed2:23:11

Thank you, Chair. Let me know. Yeah my thought was that the intent of going with general fund was that this would be an ongoing continued funding source but if that's not the case I would recommend that we leave the 1% bar in place at this point as the CEO said come back look for other revenue sources. I can't think many. You know I know we've had some events at Live Oak. We had the powwow but that's moved now to the Chumash Um, site.

But maybe there are others I can't think of that staff can come up with but there...I can't think of many revenue sources potential revenue sources for concerts or public events that can bring in revenue so I would say you know leave the ordinance alone at this point so then at least there's that funding source available

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:24:01

I would just say that my motion stands. I think we should try this, I think the status quo should be our backup if we can't pull this off.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:24:14

So we have a motion on the floor with a second all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously Just for a little bit of agenda management now, we are going to hear item three and then we were gonna break for closed session. So if you're here to talk about the re-zones that will be after lunch and after closed session okay? Thank you very much.

We do appreciate all those that have been here. This is how these meetings go so they take quite awhile to get through. So if you've been sitting here all morning, we appreciate your patience and it's time to read item three into the record.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:24:59

Chair Lavanino, members of the board. Departmental item number three is from the Public Health Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an ordinance amending Chapter 7 Animals and Fell Article 1 and adding Article 9 Roosters to regulate and to limit the number of roosters by parcel size that may be kept on a single premise in Santa Barbara County.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:25:20

All right got a full house over on this site this morning Good morning.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:25:26

Good morning Mr. Chair, Board of Supervisors. Borrowing the phrase from the famous British comedy Monty Python now for something completely

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:25:34

different.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:25:37

You

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:25:38

might be the first Monty Python quote you know so that's good.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:25:43

I'm happy to be here with my colleagues Lars Siefert who is our regulatory service division chief and Sara Aguilar who is our Animal Service Director, and this morning we bring before the board a presentation on an ordinance to amend Chapter 7 of the Santa Barbara County Code as it relates to rooster keeping operations in Santa Barbara County. The proposed ordinance would in part limit the allowable number of roosters that may be kept on properties in the unincorporated areas of Santa Barbara County And would be enforced by our animal service division through the director.

We have a short presentation and then I'm sure this will be followed by a very interactive discussion. With that, I will let Miss Aguilar take us through the presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:26:37

Good morning. So while existing state law makes it a crime to keep, train or possess any fighting birds that could be used for illegal cockfighting the raising of roosters in large numbers can lead to health and safety concerns and greatly affects the quiet enjoyment of property. As you may hear in public comment today and based on complaints received by county animal control officers, large scale breeding and warehousing of roosters often impacts neighboring property owners due to noise traffic and other rooster related activities that would not normally be associated with backyard poultry educational product projects or other accepted agricultural practices.

In some instances Animal control officers have found that the minimum standard of care or housing, housing conditions for roosters have also not met our minimum expectations to ensure clean safe and sanitary conditions are maintained for enclosed animals in the county. On July 11th 2023 your board directed animal services staff In consultation with the Agricultural Commissioner to draft an ordinance amending Chapter 7 of the County Code, Animals and Fowl.

And return to the Board of Supervisors with a proposed ordinance which would regulate and limit the number of allowable roosters by parcel size. The board action requested that Santa Barbara County follow other counties like Ventura, Los Angeles, San Diego, Solano and Monterey that have successfully implemented animal services ordinances to regulate the number of roosters allowed on properties.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:28:25

In the development of the proposed ordinance before you today, stakeholder presentations were provided to the county's Agricultural Advisory Committee or AAC on September 14th and October 12th to seek early input and feedback on setting appropriate limits for rooster keeping operations in Santa Barbara County. At the October 12th public meeting, the AAC members supported by majority vote to establish rooster limits established.

Establish rooster limits by property sizes as indicated in this table and that these limits were consistent with legitimate agricultural uses and the quiet enjoyment of properties in the unincorporated county. As recommended a property owner was 10 acres for example would be allowed up to keep up to five roosters on their property without a permit from animal services Or up to 20 roosters if it was a larger parcel greater than 20 acres in size.

Smaller agricultural properties from one to five acres would be limited to two roosters without a permit. If a property owner wished to maintain additional roosters on their property, a rooster keeping operation permit from animal services could be obtained for up to a maximum of 25 roosters. If there were certain specified keeping standards and required setbacks to property lines were maintained.

For purposes of this ordinance, just for clarity, roosters are defined to be at least six months of age with full plumage and capable of crowing. This ordinance does not limit egg laying hens or any backyard chickens for food or to educational projects such as for 4-H or FFA, Future Farmers of America. And these limits would also explicitly not apply to any commercial poultry ranches for meat or eggs that are regulated already by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

As a basis for the recommended rooster limitations by property size, staff reviewed similar ordinances enforced by animal control officers in other California counties. There are a couple of unique aspects of this ordinance being considered today that I would like to highlight. One, Santa Barbara County would be unique in that there is a separate limitation or distinction made for large properties greater than 20 acres in size.

Other counties, as demonstrated on the slide have made a same limitation on roosters for any properties over five acres in size. Secondly not all counties have an upper limit such as Monterey County or some counties do not allow additional roosters under a rooster keeping permit such as in Solano County. And there's other counties like our neighboring county of Ventura that do not allow additional roasters beyond five, but they do have a separate review process established from animal services that would allow up to the maximum of 25 roosters if it was for a 4-H or FFA type project. Or specifically for poultry hobbyists and that would be a determination made by the agricultural commissioner.

In discussions with the Agriculture Advisory Committee, a maximum limit of 25 roosters with a permit was recommended for Santa Barbara County.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:31:41

In addition to establishing proposed rooster limits by property size, the Animal Services Director is authorized by your board to adopt standards for the proper care and comfort of animals kept in enclosures. The proposed ordinance for your consideration today would also extend that authority to rooster keeping operations and would identify basic minimum standards of care that could be enforced for roosters specifically.

For example, tethering roosters, keeping them in undersized wire cages or near each other is unhealthful and will also amplify aggression and crowing that could result in adverse conditions for neighbors. In addition to being potentially injure... injurious to the birds. We recognize that the proposed ordinance may not go far enough to set high expectations for the optimal care of roosters in the county, but we are anticipating that minimum standards of care would at least eliminate harsh conditions that can be associated with illegal cockfighting birds.

Further input or direction by your board to explore the development of guiding principles for sheltering and comfort for all animals would be welcomed by Animal Services.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:32:59

As local implementation of this rooster keeping ordinance by Animal Services will have additional costs for permitting inspections and enforcement, the Public Health Department is proposing two fees for cost recovery at rooster keeping operations. A rooster keeping operation would be subject to an annual operating permit of $182. And additionally, rooster keeping operators would be potentially responsible for the cost of complaint investigations by animal control officers if the complaint was deemed justified.

For example, if a complaint investigation revealed that a rooster keeping operation was exceeding their permitted number of roosters that they were allowed, the hourly cost of investigating the complaint could be billed to the permit owner or permit holder. The two fees included in the ordinance have been reviewed by the auditor controller and are established to match existing officer hourly rate and the annual permit fee that exists in the county for catteries or kennels.

Animal service, and this was approved by your board in 2015. We will return to the board to amend established fees if the costs of inspections investigations and other fee associated activity exceed the cost recovered in administration of this ordinance. The ordinance also includes And civil enforcement provisions consistent with existing county code in Chapter 24A should further remedies be needed beyond the issuance of an infraction, for instance by an animal control officer.

The ordinance also does authorize the filing of a civil action to seek injunctive relief. So these are kind of additional tools that this rooster ordinance would provide County staff for enforcement. There are no one time costs or staffing requests included with today's recommendations.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:34:37

So Mr. Chair, staff is asking or recommending that the board takes these following actions. As for today to approve the introduction first reading of the ordinance to amend the specified sections of chapter 7 article 1 and to add article 9 roosters and to read the title of the ordinance and waive the full reading and continue the hearing of the administrative agenda of January 23rd to consider adoption of the ordinance amendment If the ordinance passes today, then on January 23rd we recommend that the board consider and approve the adoption as a second reading of the ordinance. And find that these recommendations are exempt from CEQA review.

We are happy to answer any questions.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:35:23

Thank you very much. Any questions from the board? Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:35:29

Yes I have few questions. Talked about the inhumane conditions That might exist out there. We obviously know the roosters are all throughout the county. Did we find that that was at all locations or was it some select? Locations that. The conditions were poor for the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:35:52

foul. Historically, there has been kind of a mix Of results and several of the properties where we know there are roosters currently. We have not had access to really evaluate the situation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:36:18

So there could be some locations that are handling their animals in more humane condition, it's not necessarily across the board for all situations correct? I understand that the Gamefowl community is showing up today to speak on this item. Were they invited to the AAC meeting when this was discussed?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:36:43

We're not going to be able to, everybody's gonna have your time if you put in a speaking slip so we're gonna try to keep it civil today. Go ahead Larkin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:36:49

Supervisor Nelson through the chair they were not specifically invited to the meeting we were not aware of their activities or representation here in the county. The AEC meeting or Agricultural Advising Committee was publicly noticed as part of their agenda agendizing of the item however there was not specific Invitations provided to this group. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:37:15

and I guess the next question was about talked about the quiet enjoyment of property. Do we have a definition of what that is? Is that subjective? Is that do you guys have some, because roosters are not the only animals that make noises. And so I'm just wanting to make sure that's better defined as we have this discussion so that we can know what is okay and what is not as before we have some common understanding of that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:37:40

Supervisor Nelson through the chair, we do not have a specific definition for that. It was the directive and intent of the initial board action taken in July to consider that. However, we do not have a defined definition for it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:37:56

OK, thank you. I also have some questions for planning as well because I understand that this is partly regulated through their department if this is appropriate time, Chair, to ask some questions on planning? Sure. And I've been doing a deep dive into this to try to make sure I understand it as best as possible. You know, I think it's really important for us if we're gonna pass any ordinance that we are fully informed on the situation out there but my understanding right now is that it is regulated under the Land Use Development Code and some of these operations are actually under current violation of the LUDC.

Is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:38:36

Good morning Mr. Chair, members of the board, Mr. Nelson Yeah, we have some two violations on egg one property. You know our ordinance is somewhat a little bit subjective in this area about the. The ordinance requires it's limited to reasonable family use on a non commercial basis so it doesn't really give us a number where other. Under egg 2, it's unlimited and residential. It has a limitation.

So we do have two instances where we are processing complaints with violations. You've determined that's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:39:10

beyond reasonable use, correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:39:13

Yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:39:13

we did. Okay do you have a number what was the criteria they used

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:39:17

for that? So we did not as you can tell subjective it's kind of a subjective ordinance so we looked at its reasonable with limited to reasonable family use and so that maybe will help us here if this ordinance was adopted in the two instances Um, when staff conducted their investigation they found that there was approximately 140 fowl on the property. The majority of them were roosters which were independently penned and in another instance we found with the help of animal services approximately 400 fowl on the property a majority of them roosters again which were independently penned so we determined that would, we don't have a number but we determined Larger number of fowl on a property would extend beyond the reasonable family use.

It's been the department when we have conducted investigations on agricultural property, reasonable family use would suggest perhaps and it's not limited to this by all means but you know you would have an area where roosters and hens could be penned together. Roosters are there to help protect the hens and whatever else. And typically the number of roosters Are less than the number of hens on the property or that family use.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:40:40

Thank you and I know big, you know impetus for this discussion is about talk biting and do we have any of our inspections or visits have had evidence of that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed2:40:59

Mr Chair Supervisor Nelson no we have not found any clear evidence evidence of cockbiting just besides the existence of a large amount of just independently penned and would, you know, would suggest that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:41:12

All right. Thank you. And I guess thank you Mr. Zarovich. Actually one last question for animal services. Do we have any evidence of illegal cockfighting on any of these properties that you guys have found at this point?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed2:41:32

Supervisor Nelson through the chair If there is probable cause to access the property, it's still necessary for us to receive consent from the owner to gain access. So sorry if there's not probable cause, there's still requirement for us to gain consent which often creates an opportunity for cleanup or relocation of any evidence Cockfighting that would be occurring.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:42:10

I know of actually, I've had cockfighting in my district and I have seen evidence. Actually, I've actually gotten pictures and direct communication from people living on the property that there was cockfighting taking place so when I ask these questions, I'm not pretending that this is not a problem that doesn't exist. I just want to make sure that we're using the right tool to solve the right problem. So just add that to the context of my questions.

Not conceding that that doesn't happen. I just want to make sure that whatever we do up here this afternoon, that we're doing the right thing and that we're solving the right problem and not creating another one. So those are my questions. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:42:46

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.862:42:49

Oh, I'll save mine. I'm sorry. OK.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:42:52

Supervisor Capps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.912:42:54

Yeah, this is a very basic question of biology. And with respect to many people in the room who know a lot more about this but my office received some calls from Spanish speaking households in particular about four or five calls just confusion over what kind of birds we're talking about. Many people like to have fresh eggs and so again I know it's a basic question but if you could please clarify and with that I would hope that whatever changes are made today are communicated in Spanish. A lot of families like to rely on on fresh eggs, which is something we want to continue. So if you could please clarify that.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:43:28

And Supervisor, that is a very legitimate question. It took me a crash course in roosters and hens to understand that as well. My understanding, and Sarah correct me if I'm wrong, that roosters do not lay eggs. And you don't need a rooster for a hen to lay egg so we're not talking about birds that lay eggs. We're only talking about roosters that are six month old and that are the ones that wake us in the morning.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.912:44:00

Thank you.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction2:44:02

I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:44:02

learned that by watching Seinfeld. You got the rooster, chicken in the head. All right so um so that finishes up board questions this moves us to public comment madam clerk there any requests to speak from the public?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:44:15

Chair Lavagnino members of the board yes we have 18 requests to speak from the public on this item

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:44:21

Okay, with 18 requests to speak we'll go to two minutes per speaker. And I will allow two minutes and then we're going to close public comment at this point so that means if your name's not in at this point that you're gonna miss out. Please Madam Clerk please proceed with our first speaker.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:44:37

We are going to begin on Zoom with Paula Kislak to be followed by Eric Sakosh. Paula? Paula, I'm being told that you are not on Zoom any longer and you are not unmuting yourself. So I'm going to assume you are not. So we are going to go to Eric Sacash to be followed by Thomas Poole. Eric?

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CommentEric SackishProposedself-stated2:45:12

Yes. Good morning supervisors. I'm Eric Sackish. I am senior animal law enforcement consultant with Animal Wellness Action and the Center for Humane Economy. I have 45 years plus experience in examining illegal cockfighting, and I have appeared as an expert witness in more than 100 legal proceedings in federal and state cases. I've worked to interdict these crimes from San Diego to Sacramento It remains unfortunately a rampant problem here in California, in need of stronger local and state and federal policies.

Cockfighting is barbaric and unacceptable activity criminalized in our state for more than a century and banned in every state and also at the federal level. I'm testifying today in support of a proposed ordinance to place reasonable limits on the number of roosters that may be kept on a single parcel in Santa Barbara County. Such an ordinance will help protect the public health, safety and welfare while ensuring that roosters are treated humanely to minimize the potential for public nuisance, illegal cockfighting and the raising of birds to be used for cock fighting Cockfighting is associated with illegal gambling, drug trafficking, illegal weapons and homicides.

Law enforcement has documented a strong connection between cockfighting and these forms of crime. The Drug Enforcement Administration has documented that cockfights are used as networking opportunities by drug traffickers. Please understand cockfighting comes with social costs beyond animal cruelty. The presence of young children at cockfights is especially disturbing and promotes an enthusiasm for violence and lack of respect for the law.

In Mexico, in a recent case of gang violence, 20 people were massacred at a cockfighting derby. Last year in Hawaii there was a mass shooting at a cockfight that left two dead and three wounded. Finally, cockfighting is tied to the spread of avian diseases with California dramatically affected Game fowl are high risk vectors and reservoirs of disease because they are widely sold and traded. Thank

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:47:17

you Eric, that is your time.

CommentEric SackishProposedself-stated2:47:19

Okay.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:47:22

We will now go to Thomas Poole to be followed by John Dorwan. Thomas?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed2:47:32

Yes thank you very much I'm very grateful for this opportunity. I am the Senior Veterinarian for Animal Wellness Action And I want to beseech you to do everything possible to end cockfighting in Santa Barbara County. It is thoroughly evil and extremely dangerous, there's just no upside to cockfighting. It is utterly cruel and sadistic and it only celebrates and promotes the very worst aspects of human nature.

I can tell you that there's absolutely no reason to have roosters, you know other than for cockfighting these large numbers of roosters. You certainly don't need them for an egg operation. I've been a licensed veterinarian in California for 40 years and California is important to me. I grew up on a cattle ranch in Oklahoma and we still run about 500 cows. I devoted my life to the responsible and humane use of animals and there's simply no trace of that in cock fighting.

I also spent 26 years in the army And I commanded the US Army Veterinary Command, which is a worldwide tri-service command. And there's just very few countries that our Department of Defense doesn't go to that I haven't been to and I saw cockfighting all over the world. And after I retired from the army then I was the territorial veterinarian In Guam, where I saw 12,000 birds coming from America to Guam for cockfighting. And so I'm very familiar with this and I could just go on and on about all of the evil intent and everything that is associated with cockfighting and how you absolutely don't want any of it in Santa Barbara County. And this game foul commission is nothing but a front. It is all cockfighting and nothing else, and I hope that you will understand the good that you're doing for Santa Barbara if you can turn it off here.

Thank you very much.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:49:22

We will now go to John Dorwan to be followed by Philip Seymour. John? And John, we have unmuted you on our end. You will need to unmute on your end to provide your comments.

PresenterMiss AguilarProposed · by introduction2:49:42

To spot the legal issue here, this ordinance is preempted by state law. I will read you Civil Code Section 3482.5 subparagraph D. This section shall prevail over any contrary provision of any ordinance or regulation of any city county, city and county or other political subdivision of the state. However nothing in this section shall preclude a city county or city and county or other political subdivision of this state acting within its constitutional or statutory authority and not in conflict with other provisions of state law from adopting an ordinance that allows notification to a prospective homeowner That the dwelling is in close proximity to an agricultural activity operation facility or a pertinence thereof, and subject to the provisions of this section consistent with Section 1102.6A of the California Civil Code.

So the statute In the civil code, both limits and identifies the remedy for quiet enjoyment available to the board to comply with state law. The issue here will be facial invalidity due to the conflict of the proposed ordinance with the right-to-farm law contained within the California Civil Code. You need to rethink the legality of the proposed regulatory scheme so as to comply with the vested rights, which have accrued under state law concerning animal husbandry.

The law here is

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:51:48

clear- Thank you John that is your time. We will now go to Phillip Seymour and then we will come to Santa Barbara hearing room with Connor Keegan. Phillip?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:52:02

Yeah, hello. Honorable Supervisors, Chairman Lovignino. First of all I strongly support the intent of this ordinance. This is great. We don't need medieval forms of entertainment in Santa Barbara County like cockfighting but even aside from that it's good to provide some minimum standards. We all know that roosters don't have a whole lot of utility outside of being food and So we don't need large numbers of them around.

I am particularly concerned with one aspect of the problem here that's maybe different than other people's concern. I volunteered at the animal shelter, have for 30 years. We see roosters coming in there. The problem is there's been a explosion of people keeping small flocks of chickens in urban and suburban areas for the eggs or as pets. When they get chicks from some sources, a certain number of those chicks wind up being males so a few months after they get the chicks they have a rooster on their hands.

They have to either because the neighbors complain or because the zoning authorities come around Have to offload those roosters. Some of them go to the animal shelter, some we just don't know what's going to happen to them. But I would like to make sure that this ordinance makes provision For people who are willing to take on roosters and agricultural areas to be able to do that, a genuine bona fide rescue organizations.

And the current wording of the ordinance is a little off. I sent you an email suggesting a change that would allow essentially anybody who wants to become a rescuer would Get make an agreement with animal services that would set minimum standards. An animal control officer could go out at site to make sure it was appropriate and wasn't going to be a nuisance for neighbors,

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:54:07

and they would be exempt.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:54:10

And we do have your email, Philip. Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:54:14

We will now return to the Santa Barbara hearing room with Connor.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:54:16

I'm sorry, Supervisor Hartman had her microphone on.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.862:54:20

I just had a question for Mr. Seymour, he is an attorney and he has a lot of experience in this area. And so I just wanted him to explain a little more the wording change that you're requesting in the definition and why?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:54:37

Right now, the way the ordinance is written it seems to have been copied from somewhere. It says that animal welfare organizations would be exempt from the permit requirement If they have a humane officer, but none of the private non-profits in this county have those. In some counties they do have them by statute there. The county is contracted with a humane organization to do animal services type work. We don't have that here, so the tweak is necessary to essentially create a mechanism by which we can actually have real animal welfare organizations operate.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.862:55:25

So in other words, we would switch out animal welfare organizations and put in the Animal Services Director instead of the Humane Officers?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed2:55:36

Yeah, I think the specific wording was having these people get operate under agreement with the Animal Services Director.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:55:45

Thank you.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction2:55:45

All

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.762:55:46

right, we will now go to Connor Keegan to be followed by Marcus Moreno. Connor?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:55:51

More nervous than I thought. Thank you for your time. I'd like to take this opportunity to present a slightly different point of view about the potential effect of an additional rooster ordinance would have on the community. Quick background about myself. I'm a native Santa Barbara County. I only left the area to pursue a college education I have bred, raised and shown Exhibition Poultry in the San Ynez Valley for the past 35 years. With regards to this topic my unique area of expertise is in purebred exhibition poultry where I am a licensed judge by the American Poultry Association and the American Bantam Association. For those that you do not know, the American Poultry Association is the oldest livestock organization in the United States and it's currently in our 151st year of existence.

Our organization recognizes over 500 breeds and varieties of purebred poultry We host shows throughout the country at both local and national levels, supporting local businesses such as hotels, gas stations, restaurants and feed stores. Our shows are in the hundreds when it comes to youth entries giving people of all ages opportunity to participate in a hobby that does not take up much space or quite as much money as a dog show or horse show that I've had kids in horse shows. We sponsor scholarships and give youth Another avenue to spend their free time.

I raise several types of poultry, including ducks, geese, turkeys and chickens. I am heavily involved in both local national 4-H FFA and youth organizations. I have judged exhibition poultry throughout Santa Barbara County, the county fairs, state fairs, poultry shows throughout the United States internationally. My daughter is currently nine, involved in youth participations.

I would be happy to meet with your aides or each of you discuss this further. I have plenty of responses to some of the comments that have been made. I'm sure I can enlighten you on my hobby and how that would affect our local businesses myself. I do not participate in any sort of illegal actions. I have all my support of all my neighbors for the birds that we do raise. I do not keep 100 roosters. I probably have five or six roosters out there right now. And I have that many in order to keep genetic diversity, so I don't have a family wreath within a couple of years. So if you had the time, I certainly would offer my services to you, my expertise 40 years in exhibition poultry, licensed judge and I thank you for your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:57:57

Thanks, I got a question. Chair Levineau? Yes, I actually had a question for Mr. Keegan. Can I come back up? Sure.

GuestNelsonProposed · by introduction2:58:19

Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:58:24

Mr. Keegan, so you're part of the American Poultry Association? Yes sir. Okay. So in one of the comment letters from the Animal Wellness Action Center they said that the Association for the Preservation of Game Fowl is really a front Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:59:04

So

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:59:05

what I'm reading in some of the comment letters, there is an association, a California association that does cocks that are part of the exhibition world. Is that something you're familiar with as far as the American

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed2:59:19

poultry? They probably have their own shows although we do have lawn shows at our exhibition shows where breeds that are not recognized such as some of the game fowl they're quite beautiful birds if you haven't seen them for those who do take care of them which many people in this room if not all of them do They're in magnificent condition and taken care of. So when they do show up to our shows, they're not entered in our shows like an AKC dog show. They would be in a miscellaneous class that would be judged by experts out here, not myself. My knowledge is on our standard that's written much like the AKC dogs or Arabian Horse World and that's where my knowledge base is.

Any other questions I'd be happy to answer.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:59:57

No, I really appreciate it. We're all trying to learn more here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:00:00

I know and I appreciate you guys taking the time and if I may one second to say Joan your team Gina and also Megan got back to me right away and thank you for their time. I have a half acre, sir. Just under an acre. All my surrounding neighbors zone for horses as well which in growing up here in the valley that was always the give you were on horse property you could raise some small livestock and that's what I've done and all of my roosters sleep in a barn at night it's pretty quiet And like I said all my neighbors, if anything my neighbors have become great friends because of it because they bring their kids and their grandkids over to see the birds.

And it's just been a great experience for myself and now my daughter. My wife and I both grew up here come back to the St. Nez Valley and I went to college so I could do this. It's the love of my life besides my family that's what I get more enjoyment out of I heard people speak about arts. It's living art to most of us, and that's what it is to me. It is my art outreach. And as the lady said from Montecito, the preservation of the rural areas in this county would be paramount to me, omnipotent. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:01:14

Yes, I have a question too if you don't mind. Curious about the practices to keep them quiet and then what would be your reaction? We're not trying to stop activities like yours.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:01:31

My concern is that it leads to the avenue of that it would affect me at some point and with the verbiage that's written there, I would be out of compliance in having fly roosters, As it is, like I said, I'm surrounded by horse property. As far as keeping them quiet? Sure! Like I said, I have a barn. They have a door that they can go out to their outside runs. Those birds don't come out of that barn until daylight hours and that helps. I plant lots of plants. My enclosures are planted with bamboos along with other shrubs around the exterior.

I'm situated in an area where I'm against a hill so the noise comes back at me There's lots of ways we can do it, obviously. I also have heard of rooster collars for those in the exhibition world. I've never used one. Like I said, I've never had a complaint. In 35 years living in Santa Ynez, I've never had someone come over and say, can you shut that rooster up? I understand. I don't want them in the San Roque Valley or San Roque area. I understand that. We don't want them in the city of Solvang. I understand that. But for the outlying horse properties this would certainly be detrimental to the 4-H and FFA.

I get no greater enjoyment than going to the county fairs and sharing this hobby with them. And what I've had the opportunity to learn, and I hate to see the next generation not have that. But I think that's what this will do in the long run. Any other, did that answer your question Ms. Hartman?

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:02:52

Well, I disagree. I don't think it will do that but we certainly don't want to. That's the point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:02:58

Won't do what? I'm

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:02:59

sorry. Hinder 4-H and legitimate show activities

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed3:03:04

And I hope that's not, I know that's not the intent. When reading this though, that is my concern. That maybe we could work on tweaking this or we could work together on verbiage on how to address the problem. Go ahead.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:03:17

It's okay. We're good. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate your input.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:03:22

Next. We will now go to Marcus Marino to be followed by Janet Fisher.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed3:03:27

Good morning everyone and first of all congratulations to the new chairman. You working with you in the near future? Absolutely. Thank you. Okay, so you want to regulate and to limit the number of roosters by parcel size. The County Santa Barbara is a municipality. Our corporation and most important it's not a branch of government. The county codes enacted by our municipal corporations which only exist on paper cannot be enforced or regulated against private property the city or the county does not own This could be a violation of California Constitution article number 11, saying so private properties cannot be categorized as municipal affairs.

The limit of roosters on a single premise is claimed for your county to protect the health and safety of the county's residents and acquire enjoyment in their homes by minimizing public nuisances. Under the California Civic Code 3482, it states it protects any pre-existing agricultural enterprise from being declared a nuisance to anybody. Also, the County of Santa Barbara claims that this ordinance will prevent illegal cockfighting Under California Penal Code 597J, there was a study that was done and found out that 1% of the crimes was related to the cockfighting. So essentially, there is not really a cockfighting problem in California.

There's so many I only got seconds, gosh. The amendments authorize the animal services to adopt standards for the care and comfort of animals. Under the Declaration of Legislative Purpose 54950, the people of the state do not yield sovereignty to the agencies which serve them.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:05:39

Thank you Marcus that is your time.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed3:05:41

Thank you. If you have any questions I'm a member of two main associations related to the Game Pulse.

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:05:51

We will now go to Janet Fisher to be followed by Joey Hernandez. Janet?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:05:59

Thank you very much. What I'm about to say comes with a vomit warning. I was a member of a task force for the city of Norco to stamp out cockfighting, and I don't like being lied to and things that don't add up so I did a deep dive into cockfighting and chickens and poultry operations then I was on another task force civil rights task force to investigate these animal raids and animal seizures coast-to-coast And I found out by spending many hundreds of hours in the law library and reading the county general plan that animal services is comprised of humane society and SPCA employees who are contracted with the counties to do only two things, get rid of nuisance wildlife and to get rid of unwanted pets which means they kill them. When I went undercover, I found out that they were recycling them to be made into pet food And this was reported on by the San Francisco Chronicle.

I also found out that there are money laundering for organized crime, bribing judges. We did a deep dive on the demographics of all these animal raids including cockfighting raids and found out that it was impersonating an officer Illegal search and seizure, transporting stolen property, laundering stolen property. And bribing judges just like Al Capone disguised as rescue and adoption. Chickens by law are defined as agricultural commodities, their property, their items in interstate trade, and their war materials and national defense materials. I gave handouts to you so you can absorb this.

So there's no expiration date on the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Article 11, Section 5 of the California Constitution says that you can pass all the ordinances you want. You cannot enforce it on private property unless you pay and you have to pay the owner for their rights too just like the state of California had to pay The Pacific Lumber Company, $480 million when they took their land and their rights to harvest their own trees. Which trees are defined in the same law as chickens. If you have any questions I'm very knowledgeable. I've been on this task force for 33 years and I have a lot of information which is almost impossible to dispense in only two minutes. And thank you very much.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:08:17

We will now go to Joey Hernandez, be followed by Susan Ashbrook.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed3:08:20

National Geographic magazine.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:08:23

Ma'am wait I'm sorry everybody has to do their time.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:08:31

I'm sorry is Joey Hernandez here? Oh

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:08:34

fabulous. Doing

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:08:36

great

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed3:08:37

all right let me know when you want me to start please proceed action right thank you very much and I am a musician so I do know how to make a performance Listen, the bottom line is what I'm hearing here is a constitutional nightmare. The Constitution was very clear on chickens and we asked our forefathers why? What was in the rules that chicken was so dominant within the rules of our constitution?

What the establishment wants to do is violate people's rights and their homes. We know one thing, that you could not go and tell somebody in their property where the deed belongs to them what they can do on their property because when push comes to shove And the constitutions involved, it violates. What these individuals want to do by their ordinance and all this fines and getting people to extort money out of their wallets in their accounts is violating constitutional rights and giving the liability to Santa Barbara community because they will be open for lawsuits.

And if it goes to at the highest court, they have no choice but The Constitution, we are a federal republic. Our constitution oversees all of the other stuff. It's not to be infringed. We understand it's under attack. But we are by definition living in revelations, and what is being revealed is the darkest of society. Now we talk about pedophiles? Well, we got something coming.

We're at the expulsion of all these criminals who create a system of law yet break it. Be warned that this could be a huge lawsuit for And for the community and you guys are to represent the community in the best interest and not violate constitutional law. God bless each and every one of you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:10:42

Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:10:43

We will now go to Susan Ashbrook to be followed by Jesse Ortega, Susan.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed3:10:51

Thank you so much for your time. A few months ago, I read about the Ag Advisory Committee meeting and attended it. They weren't aware of the rooster problem where 100 roosters can live on one parcel without any poultry oversight and the possible illegal related activities. Afterwards two members thanked me in the parking lot after I shared my story of what it is like living next door to a breeding facility Today, I am thankful a proposed rooster ordinance has reached the Board of Supervisors and support these initial steps.

There is still much work to be done for all animal welfare. I live in Sabata Canyon where we are used to the sounds associated with Ag One properties. We have horses, a few cows, goats but nothing prepared us for the 24-7 sound of roosters. This has become a nuisance, especially in a residential area like an EDRN. Two neighbors finally gave up and sold their homes at reduced values after calling Rural Crime, the County, and Aminal Services for help.

One of those selling his home told us he couldn't walk out of his home without noise-canceling headsets. Also, the number of people and vehicles required to maintain the rooster business is alarming. More neighbors would have spoken today, but they fear retribution. If you've read some of the letters on public comment, you'll notice they had their names redacted because they're scared.

We support the proposed ordinance as it will reduce the noise and potential crime in our neighborhood. Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:12:37

We will now go to Susan, excuse me, Jesse Ortega to be followed by Dr. Lee Heller. Jesse?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:12:49

Good morning, Jesse. I'm a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Army. Also serves here in National Guard. I am a Poultry Health Inspector for the CDFA and I'm also the current California APG President. So regarding this, it seems more like it's a constitutional validation which is why I served to help keep Constitution here to protect everyone in the United States. That's what I serve for, you know? So it's kind of, you know... And at the same time, I do have poultry and I do believe in the preservation of these fowl which is kind of staying on the same side as all these other animal rights activities. I just want to preserve the fowl because its history of the United States and it's not only that, it's a cultural thing. It's a heritage thing that my family kinda grew me up around and my grandparents around So, you know it's a constitutional violation of several, you know, constitutional rights like the fourth, the fifth and the 14th amendments.

The APG we do hold shows and we don't support any illegal activities. We have 15 shows last year. We have 11 shows currently scheduled this year. Also, there's other California constitutional laws that are also going to be violated if you guys pass all these ordinances. I just hope you guys consider what... And then myself as a veteran, these words helped me with my personal issues with emotional support through other personal deployments, the military service that I had suffering, right? So I just hope you guys can consider These type of things when you guys are, have that stigma about these kind of owners for these birds. We're not... I'm here to help answer any questions because it's not just Gamefowl. In the poultry shows we have bantams as well and those are all for all the kids.

Preservation organization and community. I think that's my-

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:15:09

Thank you, that was your

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:15:10

time.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:15:13

We will now go to Dr. Lee Heller to be followed by Karen Hauenstein.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:15:17

Cheryl Avenino and members of the board. You know me as an animal welfare person but I don't know if you know that I lived in agricultural land for many years. And to answer Supervisor Nelson question we know the normal sounds of farm life machinery operating The occasional crowing rooster, hens bugling when they lay, cows mooing. What is not normal is loud consistent sustained animal noise. That's a sign that animals are in distress.

When large numbers of roosters are kept, the set itself is distressful. It is not natural normal commercial agricultural enterprise to keep large numbers of male birds in close proximity unless you're breeding for cockfighting purposes. The proposed ordinance would in fact include an exemption for commercial poultry operations so that's not an issue as well as by the way for FFA And 4-H, which is wonderful the work this gentleman is doing.

But what we do need to do is address these close confined conditions with large numbers of animals. This is really just preparation for them to be aggressive as a prelude to cockfighting. I would also like to point out that other animals do have number limitations. If you're a dog breeder, you are not allowed to have an indefinite number of dogs. You have to get a dog permit, a kennel permit. Same thing for catteries. So it doesn't make sense that those species would be exempt from numbers limitation and permit requirements but not roosters.

What I would say is that this ordinance does not really go far enough. That five should be the limit on anything under 20 to 40 acres, and that we would try to also have setbacks that ensure that adjacent property owners are not subject to the noise of up to 25 roosters clept in close proximity to their boundary. Imagine 25 roosters 150 feet from your house.

There are a few other minor tweaks that I would suggest requiring minimum space so that the birds can eliminate separately from their food and water, and not have them on wire flooring. But overall, I think we can create an ordinance that does a better job of addressing the not natural noise of large numbers of male birds kept close together, and protecting the quiet of neighborhoods people who still understand that they live in agricultural areas. Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:17:30

We will now go to Karen Hauenstein to be followed by Eduardo Ramos. Karen?

CommentKaren HauensteinProposed3:17:36

Hello, yes. Okay this is an example prime example of who's getting rhythm in the county because the lady who spoke earlier who made implications that there is illegal activity on our property has done that many times before. She's born false witness to the district attorney's office. She got together and colluded with her friends and gotten me sued by Joyce Dudley during the pandemic.

This person will go to the ends of the earth to see me and my family suffer, and you guys are now getting caught in the middle of it when The chicken guys came to our property because of the flood that happened last year of the San Yanez River on Santa Rosa Road. I knew some of the chicken guys that ended up bringing their families and their chickens and their goats, and the roosters definitely are not for cock fighting. They are fertilizing eggs Where they actually raise the eggs and raise the chickens.

That is the primary function of a rooster, not cockfighting. The fact that we are being assigned that as criminal activity is offensive. All of the animals are healthy and happy just like they were when I was involved in 4-H and FFA during my entire rearing myself. And these are not residential areas. This is agricultural property. There are no CC&Rs, and there will never be an HOA.

There will never be an HOI. Thank you Karen.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:19:42

Ma'am I have a question for you. I'm curious how many could you estimate like how many roosters you do have on your property right now?

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CommentKaren HauensteinProposed3:19:51

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will now go to

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:20:11

Eduardo Ramos to be followed by Carlos Chavez.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed3:20:49

Good morning, everyone. And thank you. Thank you Board of Supervisors for allowing me to speak here. I also live in Sevada Canyon or more 3121 Avina Road. What I thought it was going to be an accomplished dream is starting to turn into a nightmare. There are several people in the canyon that have a campaign going And this has affected my family, my business.

People that know me and know who I am, those people don't know who I am. They don't even know how many chickens I have in the property because they've never been there. I encourage you guys to go and check my facility, and see what's illegal about it. I go by state and federal laws. And my understanding is that my rights are being violated by some people here and some people that aren't here because they're cowards.

They don't stand behind their beliefs They don't, and I want to point that out. They hide behind you guys. They listen to them. That's what they do. They have their own dictatorship around the canyon. And let me tell you guys that that place wasn't given to me. I'm paying for it. It's not free just like I know the rights aren't free. We have to stand and fight for We will now go to Carlos Chavez

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed3:23:13

I want to say. What these people say is not true. I've gone to court three times. Sorry,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed3:23:25

I might not be able to talk but I've gone to court three times. Coordinates can only have one rooster in one acre. I got an acre and 3 quarters. San Bernardino County. Court again, and I still have my chickens there. Judge says I can have my chickens. They went in again to my property without my permission, jumped in, went in there, looked at all of my animals that I had cruelty to animals which I don't.

And these people, that's all they do. They're violating our rights. I didn't sue because I'm from Montero. That's my city. I've been there for 27 years. I was there when it was all country, all country. Now that it's turning to city they want me out and by doing that and I've already proven that I can have my animals. And my animals since I was a kid, that's what made me. It's that and going to war and fighting for these rights.

And I'll still go to war I might be too old, but I can still be out there and helping because I believe in the freedom of this country. And it's being taken away every day more and more. Now if I raise six daughters am I raising prostitution? Am I raising prostitution? If I raise six kids, six sons, am I raising gang members? They're accusing us of all these things because we're raising animals. Because we're raising fowl. I have to breed a thousand roosters to make crosses that I like for colors for shows and that's not going to stop.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:25:16

Thank you Carlos. That is your time. We will now go to Katherine Anderson and then we will return to Zoom with Paula Kislak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:25:28

Thank you everyone for the opportunity to speak. You may recognize me from Island Seed and Feed, and I have my own ranch operation, Blue Oak Ranch. I started showing poultry when Connor Keegan was a teenager. You may have heard of the Slow Food Movement which advocates the use of heritage in heirloom vegetables and livestock breeds and the preservation of colorful foods and the genetic diversity of our food in the face of big agribusiness monoculture Producing bland, tasteless crops better suited to transport trucks than dining tables.

Roosters begin crowing at three and a half to four months of age and begin growing adult plumage at four months long before most traditional breeds are harvested. There are three main types of meat chickens. Fast broiler chickens which are like the white sandwich bread of commercial production Slow broilers, which are like the sourdough bread of chickens and the males, roosters from traditional egg-laying breeds that are dual purpose. They're meant for eggs and meat. Those are like the artisan most wonderful bread you'd ever taste. Chicken flavored though.

They start, they're generally harvested starting at five to six months Up to a year of age. They are much more flavor though, the ones that actually taste like chicken. I once had someone totally confounded say don't you know you can get chickens at Costco? Like that's not what I want to eat! The raising of traditional breeds of poultry for eggs and meat are integral to small farms, and maintaining healthy genetic diversity of poultry requires the keeping of roosters.

Inbreeding is greatly accelerated by keeping too few roosters. Selecting the best breeding parents of the next generation requires evaluation of these individuals as adults not juveniles. Quality requires quantity, and maybe only 10% of those grown out to a year of age will make the cut. An exception for 4-H or FFA students is proposed under this ordinance. However, where are they going to obtain those birds if there are no breeding flocks or show birds in the county? Again, quality requires quantity and you can't get these birds from a commercial hatchery.

I can think of no other instance in California where farmers are required to obtain a permit to grow food or that choice is limited to size of property. An ordinance such as

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:27:52

this

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:27:53

don't make sustainable farming collateral damage.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:27:56

Can I just ask a question? How large of a parcel do you have and how many roosters do

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:28:01

you? 6.17 acres, I have had up to 40. It varies very often when you raise batch of chickens then and they may, you evaluate those, you can keep a few that go to slaughter. I've never had a complaint ever. I have taught people to butcher. I've run butchering classes for my farm. I'm zoned Ag 240.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:28:25

And is that 40 male individuals or just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:28:29

40

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:28:29

male individuals over the age that we define as an adult?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed3:28:34

I would say 40 over the age of that. They are there for a short period of time and then they're slaughtered, it's not the season for that but organic heirloom poultry is what I do. I guess I'll go condos if I can't grow chickens.

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:28:54

We will now go to Zoom for our final speaker, Paula Kislak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed3:29:02

Hello, thank you Chairman Labagnino and the members of the board. Can you hear me because I've lost connection with you? Yes we're good. Thank you. Um, I am a local veterinarian my entire career. I've been in California the last 25 years in Santa Barbara. I've been on the board for nine years at Humane Society of United States and I'm the founder and current board member of Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association, a 9000 plus member association Based in Davis, California. I'm a local resident and a local business owner and I'm here to support this ordinance along with the proposed improvements.

These modest changes in reducing the concentration of animal housing improves avian health, which also then improves human health and human quality of life. And I entirely support them. I believe that they are modest and that they will improve our county in ways that are measurable. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:30:23

Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:30:26

And that concludes public comment on this

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:30:27

item. That does conclude. Well there's no, you know... Yeah Wayne Pasell was signed up but I don't see him on Zoom at this point. Well okay let's try to...

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.763:30:39

Unfortunately Wayne and Gene were both signed up and neither of them are logged into zoom at this time. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:30:46

all right so that closes public comment we'll bring it back to the board for deliberation who would like to lead off? Supervisor Hartman

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:30:55

Well, first I had a couple of questions and I noticed that Director Hamami had at one point wanted to say something. I don't know if you still want it was in response to public comment and maybe other staff have things that they would like to say as well in response to some of the things you've heard.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction3:31:13

Thank you, Supervisor. I think it was mentioned the ordinance would have permits and exemptions for age and shows and all that so it is not limiting but it will give us an opportunity to also ensure that for those purposes we are also doing the inspections and ensuring Birds are kept in a more humane way.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:31:37

And I just think that's important to emphasize, I mean as I read this it says that it's not going to include a veterinary hospital animal welfare organizations approved by I think Animal Services Director public or private schools any county facility or any commercial poultry ranches whose primary commodity is the production of eggs or meat for sale So I think it's clear that there are exceptions.

Most of them covered by most of the people complaining today, the exceptions are covered by that or cover them rather so. So I just wanted to clarify that primarily. How did you arrive at the numbers of birds as an acreage increases, the number of birds increase? And I imagine there's some art to that and just wonder if you could talk a little bit more. I think we've relied on other counties, other experiences where we're not inventing the wheel here but could you talk a little about that?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:32:54

Supervisor Hartman through the chair. Yeah, the numbers and the maximum number of rooster per parcel size were primarily benchmarked against other counties that have similar limits in addition we did have conversations with planning development to try to make sure that we were not inconsistent where possible with Underlying land use. And thirdly, we sought recommendations and feedback from the Agricultural Advisory Committee who are much more in tune with agricultural operations in the county for those recommendations as well. And those were recommended by them to move forward as allowing legitimate agriculture operations but then also they felt was reasonable restrictions based on comparisons with other counties.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction3:33:43

And if I may add, this was also in coordination and partnership with our Agricultural Commissioner who is on Zoom in case Jose wants to add anything to that.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:33:56

I'd be happy to hear from him. I just wanted to also ask our county council, we've heard a lot of comments about the legality of this and that it's not constitutional that it doesn't comply with right to farm what is quiet enjoyment? Wonder if you could talk a little bit about some of those things

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:34:22

Thank you, Supervisor Hartman and members of the board. So just as a starting point, the county has authority to make and enforce local police sanitary and other ordinances or regulations not in conflict with general law. So that's the starting point. And with that, you balance the needs about agricultural operations. The County Code does address the right to farm and that's in County Code Section 3-23 And it says that no agricultural operation conducted or maintained for commercial purposes shall become a nuisance due to a changed condition and are about the locality.

So addressing commercial operations, this proposed ordinance actually specifically addresses commercial operations and there's an exception in section 7-1 of the proposed ordinance that says that rooster keeping operations shall not include any commercial poultry ranches whose primary commodity is the production of egg or meat for sale. So there is an exception that addresses that.

And then as you mentioned earlier, there also is an exception in the proposed ordinance for educational poultry projects and so that was also addressed in public comment. And as for constitutional violations, there was a recent case in 2019 in the County of Monterey where they actually had a rooster ordinance that was challenged for being unconstitutional. And that ordinance prohibited more than four roosters on a single property without a rooster keeping operation permit and the Court of Appeal upheld that ordinance as constitutional.

I'm happy to address any other questions.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:36:05

No, but I find that very enlightening. And was there anything more staff wanted to say or I would like to hear from our Ag Commissioner if he would like to chime in?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed3:36:19

Yeah thank you Supervisor Harmon through the Chair Lavagnino. First of all here I want to commend the work that the Public Works Larsen and Director of Animal Services did on this ordinance They really did a lot of research on this, and also in consultation with my office. They went before the Ag Advisory Committee. They also provided the feedback that you are seeing before today. It is something that the office supports. I think it is a compromise.

And if it is something that it needs for the board to consider reviewing down the road, Can be done. The numbers presented before you, it is something in my experience that I've seen that it's a reasonable compromise and one of the concerns that the Agricultural Commissioner's Office was making sure that we were taking into account was already addressed by County Council and other public speakers which was 4-H FFA As well as poultry operations, legal poultry operations. As well as people having roosters for show. But I think something else that was brought up it was those animals that are rescued and it is true that when you have a population of small chickens, technically half of them are going to be roosters and people breeding for chickens They may not necessarily want the roosters.

And so that was an issue that it was brought up at the Ag Advisory Committee and I think it was addressed by the Director of Animal Services, that first there is gonna be an exemption for those entities that wanna house those roosters that are not going to have a house. So from the perspective of the Ag Commission's office, I believe that this is before you and for your consideration Another thing is that it has taken into account many different angles and has done a lot of different research. But just as importantly, you know, the Ag Advisory Committee has looked at these ordinances in also, you know, in consulting with other experts.

It is a number that is compromised but also, you know, something it provide options to those that want to have more than the allowable numbers by By the acreage, it can be with a permit. They can be up to a number of roosters regardless of the number of acres. Thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:39:03

Thank you. That is very helpful. Well I, it was complaints in my district that prompted me to come to the board and ask if we could have this authority for this ordinance to be developed And I'm very supportive of it. I'm eager to hear from my colleagues about exactly if they're supportive and what limits, but it seems to me that the exceptions pretty much cover many of the issues that we heard about today that would allow legitimate operations to go forward. So I'd like to reserve the option to come back after you've commented.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:39:46

Supervisor Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:39:47

Yes, thank you. I appreciate the discussion. And I've got another question, you said it's not limiting so with the permit you could have is there a limit on what you can't have with the permit?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:40:03

Yes Supervisor Nielsen and there is a limit on the upper allowance for a permit and that'd be a maximum of 25 roosters. And that was also recommended by the Agriculture Advisory Committee when we had discussions with them

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:40:15

Okay, so it is limiting. And so for some of the operations that we've heard from today, they would no longer be able to participate or do the activities that they're doing today. Beyond 25? Right. That was it for questions.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:40:41

So

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:40:42

what again is the age cut off for what constitutes a rooster in our current understanding and under this ordinance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:40:54

Supervisor Williams through the chair. Currently in the proposed ordinance a rooster would be a male chicken that is six months old or older, have full adult plumage and is capable of crowing. Typically we see broilers or marketable Chickens at less than that age, and this is when a rooster would typically become of sexual maturity and start exhibiting more crowing and aggressive behavior.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:41:22

I think this is really important to highlight. Many of the examples cited in the public comment are for having roosters for food And arguably for genetic stock. And the six-month cutoff affords that opportunity, particularly for the former since that would be the time that you would want to eat them anyway. So I think that's extremely important. We do want to have an avenue for legitimate farming and I do think that it's legitimate Breed chickens and raise chickens. And I would imagine that the ethics of that in Santa Barbara County is a lot better than massive factory farms, you know? And I want to support that.

It's inconceivable that it's necessary to have a large number of adult roosters over six months in age to maintain a breeding stock. And so I find the numbers in our, first of all, I really appreciate the work staff did. How fast they did it and the breadth particularly addressing the enforcement, the lack of enforcement powers that we previously have had. But I also, so I want to support this ordinance. But I also believe that the thresholds were probably recommended to be quite high especially compared with other jurisdictions and I think we should come up with numbers that are more in step with what other jurisdictions are doing.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:43:36

Anybody else? Supervisor Nielsen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:43:40

Yes, thank you Chair Lavanino. So when this item first came back in July when Supervisor Hartman brought it up I pulled this item because I wanted to know what was going on and I was really interested in what was happening here as I mentioned earlier we've had cockfighting in my district In the fourth district, although Spotted Canyon used to be in the 4th district previously.

And so it's something that you know I was very interested in another tool that we could use to address this thing that's this illicit activity. And so, you know my only request to environmental health and I met with them afterwards was just make sure everybody's at the table. Let's make sure that everybody can be a part of the discussion so that we come out with a good answer or we can hear from all those that might be impacted.

And because I knew even though I'm a pretty involved person in agriculture in our county that I didn't know much about You know, roosters or chickens and I was fairly ignorant. And so I didn't I don't have a lot to bring to the table here on this issue. So I was needing to have as much input and I thought I thought staff would go out there and find those people you know up until about a week ago was proposed because at that point, I had heard that yes we reached out to everybody. Nobody you know everybody that's in the pro-foul side is in the shadows and they're not coming out to speak about what their needs are And over the last week, I've been hearing quite a bit. So I went out and I've been working on educating myself.

I heard from some property owners that this would be impacted in the Tepeskaya Canyon and other EDRN. I heard from some of those in Sabata Canyon on both sides of this issue on the impact. So it's probably spent Friday and Saturday combined five or six hours out there in the canyons taking look at facilities. Mr. Ramos gave me about two-and-a-half hour tour of his facility.

Operations and wanted to get make sure I was educating myself because I think Mr. Ramos, who has about 140 chickens is seen as somebody who's doing cockfighting. And that's assumed here in this ordinance because we want to restrict his what he's asserting to me is his hobby. It's something that his passion is, his animal husbandry. And so I was trying to ask him a bunch of questions to kind of ferret that out for me to understand because if we are trying to prevent cockfighting and we see an excess what might be inconceivable to us as too many roosters maybe there's more information. And I think the information that was provided to me by Mr. Ramos at least initially has convinced me that there is a group of people out Do you breed chickens?

We talked about the different, you know, color of feet. You know the different color of the breasts, the lemony feathers are there so much that goes into it and all that means cross genetics and all the different pieces of it. I was very fascinated by it. And I obviously know that there's a lot of passion in this room for that they don't want to be. They don't want that hobby to go away.

So that's where I'm trying to square that. You know, and if you can't do that on AgZone property in Santa Barbara County where can you do that? I guess we make that activity illegal in our county. And that's what is at risk today. So, you know, moving forward the other issue that I've heard about is the sound. And so again, I'm taking that seriously, so seriously that I got up at 445 this morning and drove out to Spotted Canyon. It's been about 45 minutes out there on sunrise to hear the chickens at their loudest before I came to the meeting today. And yeah it's definitely louder than what...it's not an ambient sound.

I did check on my decimeter and its equivalent of Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I think that's a part of the discussion that, you know, needs to be thought through here. Um so you know it wasn't offensive to me to the point that I think is a nuisance to not allow this activity on ag property. I don't-I think that for me isn't a reason to introduce this ordinance.

All that to be said, I would defer to the Ag Advisory Committee on this issue. But I also don't think the Ag Advisory Committee had all the information. I don't believe we invited the Gamefowl groups to those meetings. My preference today if the board wanted to go in a direction or what I could support is sending it back to Ag Advisory Committee, have some of the stakeholders here speak to that group. If that group is not convinced maybe they can see through what the animal wellness people think that it's really just a front for cockfighting I can't do that. I haven't been able to be convinced of that, maybe they can and take the recommendation once they have more information. I don't think they had all the information when they made a recommendation to us as a board so in its current form I'm not there if we go back to Ag Advisory Committee and they still stick firm to where they're at when they've heard from all the voices in this space then I would be able to support it.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:49:22

Well, I was also up at 445, but that's because I have a puppy. So that was a little bit different. But I don't have 100 puppies either. I have one. You know my predecessor when I was asking him about things that were tough on this board He said, you're going to find out that animal issues are the most controversial. And that's a good day to stay home because they are very, very controversial. People take animals very, very seriously.

The problem is we're often required to make rules up here that cover a wide swath because we have to bring some scofflaws and people that just have ill intentions A few. Sometimes you have to make rules that unfortunately impact others that might not be covered under that same umbrella. I'm reminded of that every time I go to the airport and you have to take your shoes off, and you're like what the heck is this? Just because one person tried to bring down an airplane we all paid for that.

Yeah when I was thinking about Putting cannabis in Sabata Canyon was actually less controversial than the Rooster Ordinance, which tells you something. But I've also been out there and I've got a friend that lives out there. I'm out there quite a bit and it's an issue. And you could say well that's agriculture. I just can't see the argument for having You know, dozens and dozens of dozens of roosters.

I just can't get there for what the reasoning is. And I was reading some of the materials that were given to us. Some of it says because that's the culture. I'm married to a very proud Hispanic woman and I've been involved in her culture for the last 25 years That's not part of the culture that I see. It might be part of the Hispanic culture in a certain area, but you know, the stuff that I'm reading here that basically is saying that we're racially profiling and discriminating, that was offensive to me.

That's not what this is about. We're not going out trying to attack a certain segment of population, okay? There's an issue out there, it needs to be addressed. I think this is a balanced approach. I think that there are plenty of exemptions built into it because the first things I thought of was 4-H and kids that are trying to raise animals It sounds like, ma'am I can't remember your name with the one that's trying to stay away from all the Costco chicken. That sounds like you would also be exempted because you're raising it for meat and have a business doing that.

So I'm prepared to move forward with it. I would support Supervisor Hartman on this. I think that one of the areas, and I can't remember who brought up, part of the definition needs to be changed was talking about animal welfare organizations that are exempted To me anybody, I think we see this during campaigns. Anybody can create an organization that claims to be anything. So I think this needs to be approved by the Animal Services Director, I think is a good add so that if you do have an area where you're collecting roosters and you're protecting them, you're a drop-off point for somebody else that doesn't want them, it'd have to be approved by the Animal Services Director.

The one issue I do have with the ordinance myself is the permit itself. I'd rather see us move to something that says this is the amount of animals that you can have based on size, and if you're over that then you're open for enforcement. Going out and getting a permit, The value of that out, you know, require someone to come in and spend 200 bucks and they get a permit.

But I don't want to see a person that's allowed to have a permit for 100 roosters that's within 150 feet of the person next to him. So I just assume maybe because I know you're really close to this what did you see is the value of the permit? And how does that work?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:54:11

I think the permit operates to ensure that the exceptions work well and it also allows for the conditions of care to be assessed, and those mitigate the noise. We

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:54:26

can't have that without the permit? You can't build it just into the ordinance?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:54:30

Well, it puts the burden on people to complain and then to come in. Whereas I think if you want to get ahead of it with a legitimate operation, you can get your permit and be clear about what you're doing. It's cleaner, operates more effectively, and it doesn't put the burden on neighbors against neighbors as much. Okay. I mean, primarily we would obviously know some properties that would exceed this limit

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:54:55

and we need to work with them to

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:55:11

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:55:34

So if you're exempt, let's say it's an FFA project, educational project. Are you still bound by the 25 rooster limit? I'm just trying to understand.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:55:43

Through the chair, Supervisor Nelson, you would not be limited by that maximum number because you would not be defined as a rooster keeping operation. You would be exempt. So as long as your 4-H or FFA documentation or project was consistent with the number of roosters you had, that would be exempt from this ordinance. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:56:06

Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:56:08

Well, I think that we then should support the ordinance that's been brought to us with some changes in numbers and I'm hopeful that you know we could Do that I, I know that this was at least an area of interest for myself and probably an area of interest for other supervisors. So we at least probably more than one supervisor brought that request to staff and staff may have drafted embedded some alternative versions and I hope that could be circulated Uh, as a something that we could act on today.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:56:59

So I guess I would ask counsel if we change the numbers of roosters allowed per parcel size is that something that we would continue and then maybe here after the reasons or would we just be able to do a strike?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:57:16

Mr. Chair and members of the board, I do want it to be very clear what we would be changing so once I hear how many changes are out, give a better idea. Generally it's better to trail and get the language in front of

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:57:27

you. Supervisor Hartman, do you have any recommendations?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.863:57:38

There's two different approaches to how we set the numbers, whether we go by just straight acreage or whether we go by ag zoning property. And so I'm trying to reconcile that in my mind. One proposal is Ag 1 to 5 acres, one rooster, Ag 1 Up to 10, between 5 and 10 acres is two roosters. Ag 2 up to 40 acres is four roosters and Ag 2 beyond that is six roosters so that's but exactly how we play with those numbers or whether we just reduce it another suggestion has been just a five that five would be the maximum without an exemption So let me think a minute about the numbers, but I also do think that where there are more than four roosters on the premise they should be housed in an enclosure that is located some distance from property lines because I have chickens and roosters, and I can tell you that even though they have a coop, you hear them at all hours of the night.

I don't know who they're calling to or what they're doing but it's not just the 5am wake up call. And so that can be really an issue for people and their quality of life. And so could I ask Lee Heller to come up here because I would like her if the chair would allow. Sure, absolutely whatever you want to do. I know she's worked very hard on this ordinance and I'm struggling with how we should assign the numbers and what should we go simply by acreage or ag zoning? That's the first question.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role3:59:30

And can we also just use that time to maybe pass out the amended ordinance that staff worked on in reaction to the questions that were asked by community members and maybe some supervisors. Is that possible?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed3:59:48

Yes, I do have a copy that I can provide council to pass out for reference. It does include limiting the 20 down to the top being of the five acres and more being 5 versus 20. That would be something that basically was brought up with a lot of public comment that the 20 might be too many on a 20 acre parcel in Sabata Canyon. So that was one change that we had entertained and reviewed with council ahead of today's hearing.

There were also a couple of minor suggestions that had come in from other stakeholders related to the standards of care And we did include a couple of minor things to try to make it a little less, or a little clearer on what would the expectation of housing those roosters might be. And so I can provide that if you should.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:00:44

Okay but can we get it to the clerk and then have copies made? Or maybe do we have the ability to put it up?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:00:50

I have 15 copies with me okay sufficient

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:00:55

Mr. Chair,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:00:56

hold on a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:00:57

second.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:00:58

Yes? Mr. Chair and members of the board so I just wanted to address the idea of doing it by zoning versus parcel size. So I do have some concern of separating it out by zone type because that's a land use regulation and we already have in the Land Use and Development Code regulations by zone. So if we do it by parcel size it's a lot easier to just place on top. That helps.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:01:26

I've got a quick question maybe for Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:01:28

Sure,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:01:29

yeah. So I was looking at the, I'm just trying to dive into the exemptions a little bit more just to kind of see if there's a way to land the plane. I see the FFA, the 4-H and the educational poultry what about those that are doing? I didn't see the commercial exemption maybe I'm missing it.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:01:51

Commercial poultry ranches

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:01:54

Whose

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:01:54

primary commodity is the production of eggs or meat.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:01:57

Will you give me that site, that number for me? Or that section for me I was trying to.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:02:02

I see it in definitions

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:02:04

OK. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:02:08

Okay, Ms. Heller? Thank you Chair Labanino and Board. So the feedback that I've been getting from people who live adjacent to these properties and based on my own experience as well is that... And we will separate this from zoning parcels and talk about property size, is that you max out on the number of roosters permitted without a permit at five roosters at the acreage described in the ordinance that was already given you That doesn't prevent people from applying for a permit for up to 25 birds. What we do suggest is that you not permit those operations on smaller parcels, I want you to think about 25 roosters on 20 acres because they're not going to be kept one per acre They're going to be kept in closer quarters and that's noisy.

So the recommendation would be that you cap unpermitted rooster numbers at five, at five acres and above or over five acres and that the permit allowing 25 roosters be limited probably to the equivalent of Ag 240 so that you have these noise buffers In addition to that, what's suggested is that roosters be kept where there are these larger numbers 10 feet apart in enclosures covered so they can't see each other.

The understanding in the anti-cockfighting industry but this applies elsewhere is that roosters are stimulated by seeing each other and made aggressive by proximity. Part of why I can't offer you sort of an official recommendation based on national standards is that people do not nationally farm roosters the way that they farm broilers So having some minimum standards to reduce noise and also ensure Minimum standards of care for roosters, that their enclosures be large enough that they be able to eliminate separately from their food and water. And that they not be kept on wire flooring. These are minimum standards as well in poultry care more generally. And also to adopt Phil Seymour's recommendation that you amend the requirement that animal welfare agencies not have to hire a humane officer but that this be at the discretion of the Animal Services Director The one last recommendation is that where there are rooster permits for 25 birds, that the property and dwelling setbacks be increased by probably a factor of four.

Again because imagine if your neighbor has 25 birds and they are 25 feet from your property line and 150 feet from your house. So if you're on a larger partial it should not be a hardship To have a 100 foot property setback and a 400 foot distance set back from the adjacent property dwelling. So those are the recommendations that we have made, I think some of those are incorporated in what you're looking at now.

The larger parcel requirement for rooster keeping operations and the larger setbacks, I do not believe those are included but I think they would be of value. Thank you anything else?

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:05:20

That was very helpful

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:05:21

thank you.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:05:23

Just like the draft here has most of what Lee was proposing, but it does have smaller setback requirements.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:05:35

So just for the record I'll just read the property size and premise a maximum number of roosters so we all Get this in. Less than one acre in a non-ag zone, there will be no rooster keeping operation allowed that's in non-agricultural zones. Less than one acre in an ag zone, one rooster. Okay, that's confusing right there. Line two says less than one acre in an ag zone and then it says one but then it says no rooster keeping operation allowed.

So you're able to have one rooster but not a rooster operation? I'm trying to figure out. OK, that's what that means. OK. More than 1 to 5 acres in ag, two roosters allowed. More than five acres, five roosters allowed. They are to be kept a minimum of 10 feet apart uncovered on any side that may give a rooster a view of other roosters. Enclosures shall be large enough to allow food and water containers to be separate from areas of elimination and wire flooring is prohibited.

Those were the changes that I saw marked in red. I'll just ask County Council if that is disseminating it to the public and having a copy in the back, if that covers our requirements for public participation?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:07:07

Mr. Chair, members of the board, the clerk is still working on posting it to the website but as the board discusses that may take care of it. But as far as for Brown Act requirements, it's displayed for everyone to see here and televised as well as copied in the back of the room.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:07:24

Can I get staff to weigh in? So this was your recommendation in the final

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:07:32

Chair Levin, I know this was an attempt or a response to many comments from individual board members and also Ms. Heller and others in reading through the public comments we wanted to incorporate those minimum standards of care that we felt were not included and then also the limitation to five on more than five acres we felt that was then consistent with Other ordinances in other counties and also the feedback, and also for a setting amount that is basically consistent with reasonable family use. So the 20 was we were having a hard time justifying You know, reasonable family use type scenario on an egg one parcel. So we wanted to keep the egg zoning separate but we also wanted to be consistent or at least considerate of that so that we weren't creating a situation where there was conflict in generally and how we enforce these things in agricultural properties.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:08:40

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:08:41

Well, I'm prepared to support this. I just have one question and that is about the setbacks. I think that's the only aspect that hasn't been addressed in the ordinance revised language that you've given us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:08:54

Supervisor Hartman it was brought to our attention as well we did review additional setbacks. The setbacks that were provided 150 feet was the most stringent of The ordinances we compared our ordinance to in other counties. And so that was what the origin of that setback when we brought it to the advisory committee, we did look at increasing that setback and what impact that might have on a property that say like five acres if you had 330 by 600 some foot lot.

If you had an increased setback of like 500 feet or something like that, it would basically eliminate the ability to have a rooster keeping operation on that parcel. So we wanted to be cognizant of parcel sizes and still maintain the ability to permit a rooster keeping operation if there was a legitimate breeding or show purpose for that property.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:09:52

Okay, I'm prepared to support this as presented by staff and appreciate the tremendous amount of work that has gone into this by the community as well as staff. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:10:04

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:10:04

just want to point out one thing because it was mentioned in the comments and I want to make sure the staff got it. And that was if you go to section 7.4 on the definitions, I thought Ms. Heller had said On the rooster keeping operation and the definition. And I may have misheard this, it was to where you talk about animal welfare organizations that employ humane officers? And I thought there was a comment about removing that section. Is that correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:10:27

Yes thank you CEO Miyasato for pointing that out. That was not included in this version so if the board would like that added we would entertain that direction in a version with council.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:10:39

So can you just go down the page so they can see what we're talking Right there, rooster keeping operation. The phrase is this definition shall not include a duly licensed veterinary hospital animal welfare organization that employs humane officers and so we would strike that as what the suggestion is. But approved by

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:11:00

the Animal Welfare Organizations approved by the animal services director.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:11:06

We're not taking questions. I'm sorry, Director. Yeah, I know you know what? You're right. I want to let you come up and have two minutes because we've been we've Come on out, sir.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed4:11:26

Thank you again. Um, as you guys can tell, and everybody here there's a little bit of unbalance here in the law. Okay, I want to say probably about 99.9%. If I'm correct, you're basically having a conversation with these ladies already talking about an existing law. Now, I forgot to mention one thing. I'm getting harassed by the county, by code enforcers. My permitting for buildings, they stopped them.

I have information on harassment. I have information on putting a hold on the permit. They're basically you guys are withholding my permits, delaying the meeting for me, for my hearing. Now, I know exactly who is on top of this. I have names, I have ways of proving this. I have documentation that states that I'm being harassed. I have information that there's communication between people living in Avena Road and politicians here, there is conversations and I'm gonna request all the information emails between you guys because the balance only states in one side.

Okay 99.5%, 0.9%. You know, so you guys are basically having a conversation of the changes that are going to happen with us here. I mean how constitutional is that? How is

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:13:12

it? That's actually the way the law is required. By allowing them to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed4:13:16

talk more than

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:13:18

us? A question was asked to an individual, a question going to be asked for you and my suggestion for you is if you want to advocate for changes to the ordinance suggest language I mean that I have not had any language suggestions from from

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:13:39

you All right, didn't want to do this in the first meeting. Your time's up. We're not going to talk anymore up here. Thank you very much for your input. Thank you very much. Thank you. We're done. OK? Well then go talk to a lawyer and charge somebody. Let's go. Do we have a motion? Guys, order, order, order. Okay? That's all we're asking for you can yell. You've shown.

All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yep. Just want to remind everybody this is about roosters. Okay, security can we kind of expedite them out? Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed4:14:44

All right.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:15:06

She's probably had a few days where she thought that. Three hours in his chair, and I've totally lost control. Here we go. All right. I knew you moved this meeting to this meeting. Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.864:15:24

So Mr. Chair, I would like to move the revised staff recommendation with the one change having to do with rooster keeping operation and substituting animal services director for humane officers as our CEO recommended

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:15:47

Okay, is there a second? No. Bob has a question

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:15:50

on let's get a second first. I'll second you know the the just so that we keep it really transparent when it's there's been a lot of confusion that means if you wanted more than five roosters you would have to get a permit right and it is possible to get a permit you just need to get

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:16:15

Okay, so we have a motion and a second discussion. Supervisor Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:16:19

Yes thank you Chair Labadino I won't be able to support the motion. I do support curbing the cockfighting that's out there, and I was really behind that. I am concerned about this ordinance for a couple of reasons. I don't like the way that it was done by the people that came in this room. I don't support that. But I do understand some frustration with the process. Some of the people that are here, their hobby is something that they're really passionate about. They will no longer be allowed to do in our county.

So in a much limited fashion, almost to the level that it's not sufficient. I'm not saying that everybody needed to go out there and see these things for themselves. I spent a lot of time on it. I understood a little more after being out there on the ground. And that's why my opinion changed from where I was at a week ago. I am concerned, not only is it those that have the game fouled Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board.

showed up today because their voice wasn't asked. I mean, I'm actually disappointed in public health staff for not inviting them in the first place. It was my request to you to make sure they were there at that ag advisory committee. So I am disappointed that it did not take place because I really would have been a lot more comfortable with what we had today based on that.

And try not to talk to Lars. I don't think Lars knew that some of them existed so I will absolutely give the pass there but that's what I was trying to get to here was to make sure these voices were embedded That we saw here, so that would be my preference to support a. Something the future was it to be fully vetted through that committee and then I could get there but I'm not able to do it based on the process we've gone through today.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:18:18

Thank you so just to comment on that is that this county? We do more public outreach than, and so now we're in trouble. I mean when we look at it you're like okay not only do we have a public meeting to discuss this, we send it to an ag advisory committee that probably very few other counties or decision makers do. We can't go to every single knock on every single person's door and say we'd like you to weigh in on this. That's what this meeting is about and I think we heard from both sides.

I'm not sure that That alerting those folks to go to the Ag Advisory Committee was going to be, you know. Yeah not someone who's probably not going to be very productive but Supervisor Hartman.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:19:07

Can I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:19:07

remind just us

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role4:19:08

all for need of transparency that one of the exemptions is for any commercial poultry ranch whose primary commodity is production of eggs or meat for sale. Since that was a huge part of the debate here today, they are specifically exempted from it. So you know I mean...

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:19:43

Hold on just a second. There's

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:19:46

no more interaction, we have a motion, we have a second. I'm going to wait for the CEO to come back and County Council do you need to weigh in on

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:19:51

anything?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:20:04

Yes, so Mr. Chair members of the board I just want for clarification since we're making a verbal change on The rooster is so it's the modified one that was handout It's now posted online But I believe we want the rooster keeping operation section to state animal welfare Organizations as approved by the Animal Services Director

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:20:27

yes

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:20:28

So just have them motion and second week like that

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:20:31

okay? So the motion maker, yes. The seconder? Yes. Yes. So we're good there. CL Miyasato do you have anything else you'd like to weigh in at this point

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed4:20:41

and now I just clarified with Lars that the gentleman that you spoke of that we talked about works who's with FFA would be able to continue and he said yes there is a path

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:20:51

Okay, excellent. So it'd be great for you to speak to Lars afterwards sir because there is a path to stay continuing doing what you're doing now we don't work. We're taking a vote. Let's do a roll call vote please.

Roll-call vote Passed 4–1
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Supervisor Williams? Aye. Supervisor Caps? Aye Supervisor Hartman? Aye Supervisor Nelson? No Chair Levinino? Aye

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.764:21:15

Motion passes 4-1

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:21:17

okay so I have a script to read here We'll now recess, closed session. County Council please read the items for consideration today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:21:30

Thank you Mr. Chair and members of the board. In closed session today we have two items of existing litigation. A county of Santa Barbara versus regents of University of California and American Medical Response West versus the county those are both Santa Barbara County Superior Court cases We have one item of anticipated litigation, significant exposure to civil litigation.

And that's based on a claim from Mr. Crable that's attached to the agenda and then conference with labor negotiators. The employee organizations are SEIU Local 620 and unrepresented employee managers and executives. And their agency representatives are CEO Miyasato and Human Resources Director Christine Schmidt. And the time estimate is 1 hour 15 minutes.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:22:18

All right, so that puts us at 2.30, so we will return as close to 2. 30 as we can for the final item today.

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GuestNelsonProposed · by introduction5:38:15

Yeah.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:38:24

Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board. The board met in closed session on two items of existing litigation. County versus the Regents of University of California and American Medical Response West versus the county. One item of anticipated litigation based on the claim that's attached to the agenda and conference with labor negotiators for SEIU and unrepresented employees managers and executives and the board took no reportable action.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.725:38:49

Thank you very much. Moves us to department item number four. Madam Clerk, could you please read Department for Item Number 4 into the record?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.765:39:00

Chair Chair Lavagnino and members of the Board. Departmental Item Number 4 is from the County Executive Office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a discussion of criteria to consider when determining parcels to rezone as part of the six regional needs housing allocation RHNA cycle in the state mandated housing element update process.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.725:39:21

All right. Thank you very much. Wait take it away.

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction5:39:25

All right. Bring the presentation up please. So good afternoon Mr. Chair board Wade Horton with the CEO's office with me is Director Lisa Plowman Deputy Director of Lawn Range Planning Alex Tuttle and Supervising Planner Alan Bell with the planning and development department Next slide, please. Today's item provides your board an opportunity to discuss rezone criteria as we prepare for the rezoning process in order to accommodate the regional housing needs allocation arena requirements for the housing element update.

In addition, identifying potential community benefit criteria as you consider these rezone sites could provide clarity to developers regarding county priorities And serve as a guide for project designs and alignment with these criteria. I'll now turn it over to Director Plowman.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction5:40:28

Good afternoon, Happy New Year Mr Chair members of the board. As Mr Horton indicated we are required to rezone property is part of our housing element update because our existing land inventory was not sufficient at the right densities to meet the Rena allocation Next slide, Alan. So today we're here to talk about what these types of projects where we're going to be rezoning their properties could add to our community, elements that they could include in their projects that could benefit the community. But before we get into that discussion, we have a few slides just a little bit on the background as part of our housing element just to provide some context for the board.

So these are the affordable housing levels that we have in our housing element and that the RHNA allocation aligns with. So we have very low, and you can see the annual income for a family of up to four, the low, the moderate, and the above moderate. So above moderate is over 120% of the area median income. Next slide. So this is some background on housing costs and income levels that we have in our community.

As you can see, in our rental housing stock, we have 47% of our households that are being rented. 55% of those renters are cost burdened and of that 55, 29% are severely cost burdened. And cost burden means you're paying more than 30% of your gross annual income for your rent In terms of home prices versus income, and we're focused on the South County in particular with this information. But what we've had is a steep incline of housing prices and a less steep incline substantially of income.

So in 1983, The median home price was about four times the median income. And now in 2020, in 2021 when this was measured it was 22 times the median income. So this helps frame and give context to what we mean when we say housing crisis. Incomes and jobs, this section just gives you an idea of what type of worker is in each category. So in very low income you see retail, hospitality, gardeners, child care providers. When you move to low income there's elementary school teachers, social workers, transportation workers or administrative professionals.

And then at moderate, it's nurses, pharmacists, engineers, architects, public safety workers. So this just also gives the board some idea of who we're talking about when we're talking about who needs affordable housing in our community. Next slide please. This table just reiterates what the arena allocation was. It was 5664 units for the entire county, 4142 in the South County and 1522 in the North County. And it breaks it down by income level.

As we've discussed previously, we have added a 15% buffer on our arena allocation because of the state's new no net loss law. Which basically says, and you can change the slide, Alan. Next slide. It essentially says that every jurisdiction must maintain enough land to meet its RHNA allocation throughout the eight year planning cycle in each income category and that's new. That's not something we had been required to do in the past.

So we are rezoning land to meet our lower and moderate income in the south and our lower income in the north We have to, as I said, maintain and accommodate that renewallocation through our eight-year planning period. If we fall short of the land needed at any point during that eight-year planning cycle it's actually 180 days that we have to identify adequate sites and rezone them so that's not a lot of time So that's why the 15% buffer is important. We also included in the housing element a trigger that when we got within 5%, so we burned through the 10% of that 15% buffer, that we would start our process and looking at rezones so that we would have sufficient time to be able to do that.

Next slide please. So when the board rezones property, there's a series of findings that need to be made. And these three findings give you some I would say leverage in a sense when you're looking at the potential reasons and looking at the different projects that might be before the board. So the request is in the interest of the community welfare. It's consistent with our comprehensive plan and state laws and the development code And it is consistent with good planning and zoning practices.

So let's just, it just helps you when you're thinking about which sites that you're going to be rezoning. It helps you to identify which sites do you think achieve these findings in the process? Next slide please. So, I have spent some time and I know the CEO's office has spent some time talking with different board members about the types of community benefits that are needed in our areas on the South Coast and in North County as well.

And that has to do with providing a greater than 20% of the units as very low-income housing for an extended period of time. Doing more than the bare minimum. Creating moderate and upper-moderate income units, what we call the missing middle. Upper-moderate goes usually from 120 to 200% of the area median income. And have them remain affordable for an extended period of time.

Marketing new units to local employees first. That's putting our toe into local preference right? Without with making sure we try not to violate any fair housing laws. And so in this case you could, we could say to developers, you know for the first 60 days we want these units marketed to our local businesses before you open up these units on a broader market.

And then other public benefits include things like including child care in your project or a public park potentially, or trails, or some kind of open space. So these are some of the things that we've heard in talking with the board members and some of the members of the community. Next slide please. So the conversation today is really to telegraph a message to the development community who are bringing forward concepts for projects on the sites that are going to be considered for rezones.

And the board will have options for the rezones, they have been narrowed by Builders Remedy Projects but there are still options available and they're more in North County than in South County but they do exist So the criteria can guide that board when they're looking at the projects, as I mentioned earlier. And this discussion our belief is and our hope is that it provides some clarity to the development community about what the board's looking for and about would be important to make their projects community assets.

And the developers can propose measures to address those criteria through some type of letter of intent if they want to. And I think it provides a stronger basis for making the significant rezone decisions that the board will have to do later in the spring of this year. So these slides just give you some example of what you might see included in a project. This one represents the public parks, trails and open space that could be included. And I know some developers are looking at trying to do this in a variety of their projects.

Next slide. Here's another example and that's child care. So there is a significant gap in childcare in our community We have an estimated deficit of over 9,000 spaces for children of ages between zero and five. So many of you have had children and many of you have young, well not many of you, one of you has young children. And I know you're probably painfully aware of what it costs to put your children in childcare.

We have 1,000 parents on waiting lists for infants and toddlers. And another 1100 on waiting lists for children between three and four. So any kind of inclusion of some kind of childcare facility in these projects I think would help us fill that gap. Next slide. So the recommended actions for today are really to discuss criteria for rezones related to the housing element update Regarding community benefits.

And as a way of communicating to the board's intent to the development community, provide direction to staff as appropriate if there is direction and then determine that the action today is exempt from CEQA. And I'm happy to answer any questions.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.725:50:50

Excellent supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.865:50:54

Well, first of all thank you so much for bringing this forward and thank you to the League of Women Voters and the South Coast Chamber and the Santa Barbara Foundation because they've added a lot. to the discussion and have really shaped my thinking. Could you go just back on the slide where you had the different occupations? Because what struck me is when I first came to the county, people were talking about affordable housing as if it were people who weren't working people.

But you look at this, and I mean affordable housing is really now workforce housing. And it's our teachers and so I think yeah retail, hospitality, I mean gardeners, that's really important for everybody to understand because so often the community resists Thank you for having me. The second thing is good zoning principles. Would that include a mix of housing in a development, so you've got rental and purchase and various levels of bedrooms and income?

Is that considered good zoning? So often in the past we kind of segregated different types. I'm not sure how the thinking and planning has evolved, but it seems to me that having a mix is a very good thing.

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CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction5:52:47

Mr. Chair, Supervisor Hartman, we are looking at higher densities than we have in the past in our county in order to meet our numbers. I think that actually stimulates a mix of housing types. Whether or not they're for sale or rental is really a decision that has to be made by a developer, but it does kind of go project-by-project, but I think it is a good idea when you have a larger site to try and do some kind of mix.

And we do often see that, and I have seen some of the preliminary plans that have been coming through for sites Be considered for reasons and they do include a mix of different types. Some apartments, some townhouses that kind of thing.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.865:53:36

Thank you. And the league letter has suggested that we might want in addition to a letter of intent, we might want to ask developers to come in and make a presentation of what their project would be. I think that's a really interesting idea and wondered what your take on that was?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction5:54:00

Supervisor Hartman through the chair I think it is an interesting idea and I have no objection to it. I think if the development community wants to come and share what their intentions are, I would encourage it.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.865:54:14

Thank you. And I noticed – I just wanted to add your image for one of the parks was actually a community garden which I think is a wonderful idea so just wanted to say that. Well thank you again for the hard work.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role5:54:29

Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Kaps. I want to do echo my support for the leagues. I want to echo Supervisor Hartman's support for the league suggestion with my sport because I do think that The best way, and you know this is part of this process, the best way to ensure that this has the maximum public benefit is for every project to have to show us the public benefit.

And you know the things that have been articulated here I think are enormously important especially affordability and local preference but all the others are also important But I think it's worth it to have folks then make that case to the board.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.725:55:22

Supervisor Caps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.915:55:23

Well, I'm glad to start off with the point. I wanted to make as well partnering with Supervisor Hartman on process here with a public hearing of some sort where developers could again come forward and thanks to the league for that suggestion because I do think in agreement my colleagues that transparency is key we want to make sure Developers are held to account that promises are kept and there's no even appearance of sort of backroom deals related to such high stakes decisions that we're making, that impact so much of our county in so many lives. I'll just reiterate that it's important for me to note that 75% of what we're talking about is in District 2 but with great impacts on the communities in District 3 That Supervisor Hartman represents and we do have an Eastern Valley Goleta- Eastern Valley, excuse me.

Eastern Goleta Valley Community Development Plan that was passed in 2015 so I encourage developers to be very familiar with that plan when they're thinking about community benefits because that's a product that the community did come together to produce. And I kind of want to get into, I do have, I'm grateful for this conversation because I have about five criteria to put forward Legitimate conversation with colleagues so that we can make some headway before we move into, I think it's going to be just one hearing where we have a vote. And so this is a good precursor to that and I appreciate that opportunity.

I can launch into the first one, but it's related to affordability and thank you Director Plowman for that statistics at the beginning because again we're just dealing with a 30% increase in rents and real estate when wages have stayed the same. And that's the crunch that we're feeling and so To that end, I want to reiterate what the league has said about how the fact is we don't need... We're good on market rate.

And they provided a chart to demonstrate that there were actually 322% of market rate which is above moderate income and so I just want to ask about their suggestion Which would be that no rezoning is necessary to meet the market rate housing requirement by the state. And get your reaction to that and any reactions that my colleagues might have because that spoke volumes to me, if we just really focus on the crunch here which is low and missing middle then we're actually gonna be really helping people as opposed to just exacerbating the problem of the market out there as it is

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction5:58:09

So Supervisor Caps for the chair. The league is right, we don't need to rezone for market rate units but we need to rezone land for the very low and low and the way we get those units is combined with market rate units, right? So that's the challenge that we all face so I mean they're right in that statement it's just that the market units will come along with the other units unless you have affordable housing provider that does 100%.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.915:58:39

Thank you. That leads me to proposed criteria number two which would be to incentivize, prioritize public-private partnerships where coming through the door we're looking at rezones where the developer is already partnered with a nonprofit in order to achieve affordability. Whatever that might look like, that partnership. Perhaps it's a donation I understand from our state bonus density plan.

Density is rewarded to developers who donate a piece of land to a nonprofit for that exact use. Is that correct?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction5:59:20

Supervisor Capps through the chair. That is one way to take advantage of state density bonus. The other way To build units on site and oftentimes what we're seeing is the developers are teaming with a nonprofit and the nonprofit is taking a piece of the land and developing a 100% affordable project.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.915:59:41

So what I'm looking for is rather than just sort of say, affordability is going to be really hard. It's very hard to do it's hard to pencil out. Could we actually state today criteria that we're looking for those kind of partnerships so that we don't need to rezone full market rate projects?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:00:03

Supervisor Kapsch the chair. In no case will we see a full market rate project because we have requirements that in the inclusionary housing ordinance, it doesn't apply to apartments right now. So we need to update the inclusionary housing ordinance to include rentals in that and that is one of the programs in the housing element. That's something we will talk about with our work program as well Which programs we want to move along more quickly, and it seems like that is a good one. And HCD who's very kindly behind me is the part of the lead department on that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:00:45

But do you see projects that come through that already have like oh hey we're working with the housing authority or we're working with people self-help?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:00:52

Yes I do.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:00:52

So we could incentivize those. Correct. OK, so that's my I'm very interested in doing that and seeing my partner in this nodding and I hope that there would be support here because again that

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role6:01:07

I have a question about that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:01:09

Yeah?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role6:01:10

Why would we care what the partnership is? What we would care about is what the result of the partnership is. So that we why wouldn't we just prioritize projects Affordability in them than the minimum of. So whether or not it's a, you know, private developer or private developer teaming up with somebody else is mostly irrelevant to the bottom line unless except in that there's a higher level of units that are price controlled or higher level units that are more affordable.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:01:51

Because well-intentioned promises are often made at the beginning of the process. That's why I would

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:01:57

care. Before we go through all five, I want to ask that question right there. It seems like we're going through this and we're saying hey man here's the criteria I'd like a developer comes in and whether they make a public presentation or not and they go okay we're gonna put this park in it's gonna be this and it's gonna be this Where's the hook? I mean, where is... Do we have that currently or is it...? I'm trying to figure out like how binding are these going to be.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:02:26

Well that's the third... Oh

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:02:27

okay this is number three.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:02:28

The league's third or my third criteria would be to make... It's a question can you make rezones conditional?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:02:38

So Supervisor Capps, Mr. Chair I think we would start treading into dangerous waters if we were to do that with the state So we've identified sites that we would rezone, but making them conditional on a certain percentage of affordability is not one of the programs we put into our housing element. So I think we have to be careful with that. I think we have to create incentives.

But if we were to create a standard that resulted in no housing being built because it made it financially infeasible, let's say we said 75% of the units need to be affordable That's probably not viable for a market rate developer. I mean, I know it's not viable. So if we were to do that then my guess is the state would come back to us and said you have now created new barriers to the development of housing.

And so we just have to be careful that whatever we're doing is balanced enough and doesn't create a barrier because they look to us to reduce barriers every cycle. So it's just, I just put that as a word of caution to the board as we're looking at what we think we want to communicate to the development community. There is a question about how binding this is and I understand that and it's limited right?

It's limited because even if the board were to enter into a development agreement with the developer. If that developer went away, that development agreement goes away so there is there are some limits to how binding it is but There's benefit I think to communicating to the development community what it is that the board wants to see in projects. So that the public understands it and the developers understand it, and in my conversations with them they're all eager to try and meet that need.

They want to provide projects, most of the ones I've spoken to want to provide projects that benefit the community.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:04:48

I wanted to underscore your point about the need for low-income housing

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.866:05:02

The more above market rate we get, the more they need the gardeners and the child care. And so we're basically in a pyramid scheme because we need these units to finance the low income. The more those build, the more we need. And we're only getting 20 percent and it's never going to match up. So we're in a real quandary. And so I think Supervisor Capps is kind of onto something, what more can we do to get more of the kind of housing we need?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:05:37

So that's the dilemma, but

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.866:05:39

I did have one question and then I'm done. And that is in the league, it's the missing middle 80 to 120% AMI, this is the chamber is the most serious area of concern for local employers. And I'd like you to weigh in because I always thought it was a very low income and the missing middle is difficult because there's not the financing, but now that we've seen things settle out a bit could you tell us if we need to focus on very low and the missing middle kind of how that looks given what we're seeing so far?

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CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:06:24

Sure, Supervisor Hartman through the chair. So I'd say initially in the process of developing the housing element we had concerns about meeting our very low and low RHNA allocation but as things have transpired and the more we've seen builders remedy projects come in which provide 20% low and no moderate we're starting to see that moderate is a concern In our process, and I think we have tried to build in a program that would create an incentive for moderately priced housing.

It's the it's program 13 which talks about modifying the county's own density bonus program and creating one that mirrors the state density bonus program in terms of incentives so it could compete with the state to get developers to build moderate units. And You know, that's a program we could prioritize and try and move forward more quickly so they can take advantage of it.

And I've already had conversations with some of the nonprofits out there that are interested in trying to move this concept along.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed6:07:33

Great. Supervisor Nielsen?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:07:35

Yeah, thank you Chair Leibman. This goes to the question that Supervisor Capps is asking at your comment about not sure if the state would accept something like 75%. We're already telling them that 50% of these are going to be low So why would they accept, you know? Why wouldn't they accept that if we've already had that as part of our housing?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:07:52

Yeah. Sure. Supervisor Nelson through the chair. What we are doing is making assumptions about what the developer will provide or what the market will provide. They're not mandates. They're not requirements.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:08:05

Supervisor Capps wants to make it a mandate.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:08:07

Correct. But if it becomes a mandate Then the potential for it to prevent projects from going forward exists, right? So if we create a mandate that isn't financially viable for developers to build housing then no housing gets built.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:08:24

Did I ever come back in a comment from the Housing Authority or from the State Community Services? I think what we're doing is mixing apples and oranges. One is an assumption about what will happen on a project

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CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:08:46

Whether or not we meet, you know projects come in and meet that assumption. The state says okay you can make that assumption some jurisdictions assume that 100% of their units will be low income but if the projects don't match up with that assumption then you have to come back and rezone more land so it's not a constraint on the actual development it just forces an agency to come back and rezone more land.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:09:11

My other question was what was number one? Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:09:40

The reality is going to bear out positively if a project comes in with a partnership that's skilled and knowing how to do that effectively. And my experience is drawn from the school board where we did that with Tatum and the housing authority, right? So that's just something I think would be a very... It's not requiring, it's not mandating. It's just saying, hey, that sounds like a good project to me if you come in the door with a partnership already in process.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:10:07

So we're on to number four. Okay,

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:10:09

thank you. So number four relates to workforce and again thanks to all the work that the Chamber has done on this front and already getting a lot of creative independent ideas that aren't related to what we're doing here or aren't mandated by what we're doing here but certainly working in tandem. And so local I'm just curious if we can go further than on local preference and actually put...I know I fully understand the Fair Housing But rather than just marketing, like if perhaps it needs more exploring but I know that's in discussion. Rather than just marketing, I know there's leases that can be made. I talked to Ron Worth at this about cottage like just looking at what's being done and go further than just sort of a criteria that says oh local preference would be great if you could market because as we know it's easy to say you've marketed right?

Can we go further and say Let's see some real plan about how you want to make sure that locals get this new housing, because that's what we're dealing with. We're dealing with so many out-of-town folks who are taking up the moderate, taking up the low income, taking up their housing and then barely using it, all that stuff.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:11:24

Supervisor Capps through the chair. So we have a program in the housing element that says we want to study local preference and again, that's one of the programs I think we should advance as soon as we possibly can and we can look at different aspects of that. It could be something that the board telegraphs to the development community, hey we'd like you to work with local developers. I mean local businesses to have master leases or sell them units or something along those lines because I'm hearing things out in the development community that some of them are trying to do that. So secure a relationship with an existing employer in town to make sure that a certain percentage of those units go to that Business owner and they put their employees in those units.

So that's I have met with the development community and talked about that option, and the master lease option is something that they're very open to. And so it's really putting the developers in the businesses together.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:12:30

Do you think in terms of process, like we would be ready for this spring decision with three zones of any of these potential agreements to be ready for prime time? I'm kind of looking at our chamber leadership in the back and getting a thumbs up. But that's what I'm looking for is not just like oh yeah, we'll do it will market but more like okay, we're actually working with Santa Barbara Unified, just as an example. And we're partnering and this is really exciting because I do believe it's extremely exciting and it's not just low income. I want to be clear because I do get some emails. I talk about poverty a lot and people, I've gotten emails saying you know hey what about me? I'm a nurse. What about me? You know professor etc so it's really that missing middle plus the low income that I'm talking about.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:13:14

I think Supervisor Capps for the chair that the hearing that we're talking about where it gives the development community, the opportunity to come and talk about their projects is really a good time for them to be able to try and share what it is they're trying to achieve. They might not be able to announce exactly who the employer is because negotiations could be underway but I think it would be good to hear what they have to offer.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:13:42

So my last one, unless anyone has anything on local preference is just related to county sites. No surprise but yeah I mean when it comes to workforce I just need to point out that I'm really pleased that Supervisor Hartman and I working with staff were able to get 320 units. I'm not going to give us an A for effort but it's really just scratching the surface. We have 4,000 employees a third of whom don't live in this county presumably some of them because it's too expensive to live here so we're offering zero currently and I just think I believe strongly that we need to lead by example and so I'm looking for a criteria that actually states that that actually puts forward hey we're gonna have we have skin I am interested in a criteria that's also supported by the league.

That we assess all county property for housing and potentially rezone doesn't mean we do it all at once, but we need to be ready for the no net loss And we need, and our county sites are the perfect place to go if we have 160 days. Rather than going back into the Goleta Valley for more ag let's look to ourselves and say hey this underutilized parking lot I could again speak to the example of the one that we just parked in today two-thirds of a block here in downtown Santa Barbara I would like to see an actual criteria that builds on previous efforts of a housing study and The housing element has pieces of this but actually say, hey county staff let's assess all county property for the potential for housing.

I'd love to hear what you might have to say or any of my colleagues on

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CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:16:01

that front. Supervisor Capps through the chair so we do have a program. I have a lot of programs that prioritizes the disposal of county owned land So it's a program we've already built into the housing element, and I think this concept fits within that. That program tends to be focused on the sites that we've already identified but certainly the board can give direction to general services or planning development to work with them to look for other potential sites.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:16:38

I have a question about county sites. Just walk me through like third grade level of, we own the property. I'm still trying to figure out who's going to build the housing. So are we talking about we would go out and market it to a developer for them to come in?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:17:02

Mr. Chair, I think there's a variety of options that the county hasn't fully explored yet but that's one option where you team up with the developer and the developer builds it and maybe some percentages end up being marked rate to help finance it. I don't know. That's one option but that's probably Not the best option because we really probably need to put moderate housing on those things. But I haven't really personally explored what the financial mechanism would be or the relationship with a developer would be for the county to build housing, but I think that might be part of the workforce housing study that Housing and Community Development is preparing now. And so that's also a program in our housing element and those two sort of come together.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:17:51

Okay, so wait.

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction6:17:53

Yes Mr. Chair, we are bringing next board meeting to your board a contract to analyze just that. How did how to most effectively develop a program where we can leverage our county-owned sites for workforce housing? And it also includes their specific sites that we are taking a look at to begin with. But the contract doesn't allow us to add sites to that list.

OK.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.866:18:18

And do we get the credit under Rina because you can't trade credits? So if it's our land within the city, we see we do get the credit. We absolutely do get the credit. Yes. OK

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:18:28

but doing Mr. Horton is due as we still need to rezone. We don't need to.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:18:35

Do we need to

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:18:35

reason

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:18:36

we do not know We do not need to reason because the county is not unless we're in the coastal zone. Okay, so coastal zone we probably don't want to go into the coastal zone but in the inland area we are exempt from our own rules and regulations in the zoning ordinance. So we do not need to rezone the land.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:18:56

Great and I'm really happy that's music my ears to hear the next meeting will look at that contract but I just want to see Mr. Horton if That's the contract for the whole housing study. I don't want this to be a years-long process again, I'm I know that this conversation is about Rezone votes for the spring but I'm thinking ahead because of this no net loss law that we have to deal with and if we don't meet our targets We'll have 160 days so I want to make sure that we're ready With potential county sites that are on unutilized land. So can you walk through, I know we haven't even hired the consultant yet but any potential time frame for an assessment of county sites?

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction6:19:41

The report will be due on May 31st of this year for the specific sites that are identified in RFP. And if you have additional specific questions, I have Mr. Devonick here sitting behind me that can answer those questions.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:19:55

That's great and right now that's nine sites I understand?

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction6:20:00

Nine sites with 13 APNs.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:20:03

With 13

CommentGeorge YatchianProposed · by introduction6:20:04

what? APNS. Okay got it.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:20:06

Great. And I'll just add, I had a brief conversation with Ron Wirth of Cottage in terms of how to do this. They've done it. It is new territory but hospitals aren't in the business of housing and I just do think it's the future.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:20:22

And I just had never heard, and we keep talking about it. But I've never heard the actual mechanics of what's the deed restriction? Who gets to live there? How long they gotta commit to? What happens if they decide to leave? All those kinds of things so I'm glad that's coming. Supervisor Williams

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role6:20:39

Well, yeah that we've been talking about the particularly the juvenile hall site and moving that forward for the past three years. And I'm glad that you're talking about it because I want us to have more urgency to make those sites happen within this eight year time frame especially if their employee Units because we desperately need employee units so that our own employees can survive. But that leads me to my own caveat for the support to push that is, if we want it to be for our employees, the sites that we do want to be for our employees we cannot limit it too low and moderate because that would exclude a vast number of our employees.

As it would include the vast number of employees that we need desperately to recruit and retain most acutely, like sheriff's employees. So I just think that we should do a number of those as low income or with housing authority or other nonprofit developers but there should be some of those sites like juvenile home Where we've already designated that as employee housing, we should stick to that.

And if the downtown site is not in the inventory and you want it in there I would support that because I think it's a hot piece of property.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.916:22:21

I would love for it to be added. I don't believe it's currently in the nine lists of sites and I do believe that that site, that list needs to be updated. For example, Hollister Lofts is in that list and that's already way further down the line. Yeah exactly so if we can make sure that the list is of nine, if we're limiting ourselves to nine and I hope we wouldn't have to, that we actually make sure that it's the right nine and potentially add thanks to Supervisor Williams support in his own district of this county lot here.

I mean, I do think I said it in the vote for the housing element. Parking lots is a great place to start and I look to Fairfax Virginia where they actually are developed looking at all of their parking lots and that's how they've they're achieving its double the size of our county so you can half this number but they're achieving 10,000 new units by just doing government parking lots That's their goal by 2030. So I just want us to be creative and realize that we don't need single level parking lots. I'm not taking away parking lots, but I don't think we need single level parking lots that take up almost full city blocks.

Those are my five criteria and I appreciate the chance to have some feedback and had some questions answered.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:23:37

Cool. That was helpful, I think. All right, so does staff have anything else you wanna Based on our discussion right there before we go to the public.

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:23:51

I guess thank you Mr Chair, I think this is all very helpful and. I guess the thing I would emphasize for the board is probably the need for us to focus moderate housing on the county owned sites that we've identified in the housing element. Because we're the dearth of moderate sites that are being proposed to some of the projects are coming in. So I just wanted to put that out there so that you're aware of that as we're working through this and when we get to The reasons, we may want to transition right now it's a mix but we may want to transition to moderate for those those sites

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:24:37

All right, Supervisor Nielsen.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:24:38

Yes, thank you, Supervisor Lavinio. Just a quick question before we go to public comment about the Build-a-Remedy projects as well as some of the proposed projects. We have them as part of our housing element but are we rezoning those parcels or not? Because I think that's a really important thing for us to understand or know moving forward because that's probably a decision point for this board.

So we went through the Build-a Remedy process and they're saying they were gonna do this project Do we say good luck with your builder's remedy or do we also give them that added benefit of the rezone that they wanted because they went through that. So it's a question on whether we reward that up here moving forward and then also there's the proposed project so people have gone through the front door already ahead of the game, that we're counting as part of our housing element are we going to help them out at all in this rezone process? Are we just gonna leave them to the discretionary process?

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:25:33

So Supervisor Nelson through the chair all good questions. There's discretion for the board to make choices about that there are circumstances like with builders remedy projects particularly on sites that are zoned for agricultural uses or some other type of use that is not multifamily housing There's a disadvantage for us, the county to not have its own design residential because we can only subject them to objective standards.

And the Design Residential Zone District has objective standards that help us guide the design of the project. So that's one reason why we might want to consider rezoning some of the Builders Remedy projects. The other reason might be that if we don't rezone them and they go away, they don't get built. Then we then we don' have the zoning in place to meet our RENA per the no net loss.

So it provides us some security that that site will eventually be residential and that we won't bump into that no net loss. So that's one reason why the board might want to consider that as well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:26:59

So I think moving forward, we should think about that because maybe as an incentive for some of those with the Builders Remedy projects to maybe inform us that they're no longer moving forward with Builders Remedy, that they wanna be part of the housing element, our rezone process. Cuz there's a lot of benefits that come through our rezone process And so I'm glad we're all up here and we can say this out loud.

You know, we do have an opportunity within 180 days. We most likely already studied it because most of these sites were already a part of this PEIR here so there would be an ability for us to go back to the drawing board and now have them included in the housing element under the housing element policies that we're going to set forth for these rezones. So that would be my opinion on Builders Remedy. The other ones are these proposed projects that we have in the pipeline right now They weren't waiting for us to move forward on the housing element. They actually started proposing projects that are denser, that are potentially going to satisfy our low and moderate.

I'd hate for them to go to the back of the bus here because they're already moving forward. So I want to make sure, I know there's some projects in North County that I've been trying to advocate for that really hit a lot of my criteria, that I want to make sure that those are going to get rezoned in the process moving forward. Because I think that again it's all about incentives with these projects right? And we want to incentivize good behavior And those that want to invest in our community, and those have already put their money where the mouth is and put projects in and applications. And we should be helping them out with that rezone process because otherwise all these other projects jump ahead of it. And then you have a community saying hey well that's a discretionary project don't approve that one cuz you already had approved all these housing element ones so that's where there's a rub there that I'm very sensitive to.

I hope that staff is as well.

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CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction6:28:53

So Supervisor Nelson to the chair, I understand that. And I think we could accommodate like the Baylor Avenue project say down in Carpinteria that is been in the process for quite some time. It's a partnership with the Housing Authority. The board has the discretion to rezone that as part of our housing element and other pending projects that were included on the list. So that is something you can certainly consider when we're going through that process.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed6:29:19

Thank you.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:29:23

OK, it looks like we're going to be going to public comment. Madam Clerk, how many folks do we have tonight?

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:29:30

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, we have 14 requests to speak on this item.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:29:33

All right, how about we split the baby and we go two and a half minutes? Boom! We have the technology.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:29:42

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, we are going to begin on Zoom with Catherine Lomaire-Rower to be followed by Jackie Carrera. OK. Hello, yes we can hear you please speak loud and clear thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 31Proposed6:30:12

Awesome thank you I just really appreciate that the focus of the criteria here is on incentivizing participation in this incredibly important project. I wanted to highlight though that as I look through the criteria what seems to be missing Um, sort of we're missing the mark with criteria that will work legally in terms of zoning and CEQA as well. What I see here is criteria that are focused on the desired outcomes rightly so importantly so but I'm not seeing anything about site selection sort of feasibility factors and I'm wondering where those criteria are going to come into play or where Yes. At what point in this process are those criteria going to be identified? And I'm talking about things like when you're trying to identify a feasible site, does it have services available?

Does it have water and sewer services already available on the site or are they easily extendable to the site? What's the proximity of public transportation to bike lanes What's the capacity of the local public school, the elementary school to serve this site if we're bringing in a larger student population? And I don't see those factors anywhere here. And I'm hoping that they're addressed somewhere that we just aren't seeing yet or that they will be soon. So thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:31:50

We'll now go to Jackie Carrera to be followed by Meryl Brooks.

Commentour foundation's commitment toProposedself-stated6:31:57

Good afternoon, everyone. Chair Lavagnino and members of the Board of Supervisors. I'm here on behalf of the Santa Barbara Foundation board and staff, and I really appreciate the opportunity to comment generally on today's discussion but also to submit for the record our foundation's commitment to partnering with you and others in ensuring our county has housing that is affordable for Um, and which is essential to our individual and collective health and economic prosperity, which is priority for this foundation.

As you well know, our county is an increasingly expensive place to live in the Santa Barbara-Santa Maria region has the fifth highest housing cost in California, which leaves most of our community members precariously housed We continue to face this housing shortage, which creates hardships for our workforce. And to address this we know we have to protect, preserve and produce affordable workforce housing. And the item that's before you today is an important step in producing the workforce housing needed to alleviate some of the financial strains on our workforce.

We just produced a housing affordability report at the foundation in which we outline a shared and cross-sector understanding of the county's housing affordability challenges, and offers actionable opportunities for philanthropy, which is our sector to contribute to the solution. Findings from the report recognize it imperative that the county has to increase the supply of affordable workforce housing to address their community's needs.

The county's housing production has not kept pace with its growth. Between 2013 and 2018, we've added one new housing unit for every four jobs. I'll skip all the data associated with that but what's happened is this lack of supply has created financial hardships for our workforce. And in 2022, nearly half of our county residents identify as renters. In that same year, 55% of those renters spent 30 to 50 percent of their income on housing and 29% spent over 50%. And these are some of our child care providers, health care personnel, our retail and service workers or nonprofit professionals.

And I think most importantly there are neighbors in our community. So it's essential that the County make practice practical and effective land use policies To produce the workforce housing that's needed for those who keep our county moving, that we support a workforce that can live in our communities where they serve. That help employers like you all, like us, like so many businesses recruit retained staff and need to provide a lot of these crucial services and promote stability for families with children who of course are our next generation.

Developing this criteria is really important. The staff of the county is incredible. We've gotten a chance to work closely with them. You all are much appreciated for taking up this issue, and I hope whether it's determining the parcels to rezone, the criteria of rezoning or whatever other creative policies and tools we need to put in place that will be able to continue this conversation and do it together because we know that it's essential to help us shape

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:35:00

Barbara County.

Commentour foundation's commitment toProposedself-stated6:35:01

Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:35:03

We will now go to Meryl Brooks, to be followed by Linda Honigman. Meryll?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed6:35:13

Are you able to hear me?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:35:14

Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 32Proposed6:35:15

Yes we can. Please proceed. Okay good afternoon Chair Lavagnino and Supervisors. Today I'm speaking on behalf of Citizens Planning Association. I'm here to speak In support of the proposals for criteria to be considered in determining the parcels that will go through the housing element rezone process. CPA has attended all workshops and hearings regarding this process, we have argued all along with the state mandates would not produce the type of housing needed to solve our affordable housing crisis.

But CPA today is very pleased that today we are finally focusing on community benefits. CPA agrees with comments made by League of Women Voters, which suggests the rezoning be focused on those parcels which will actually produce very low and moderate price housing. We support the idea of establishing a trust or special funding by employers or some non-profit groups such as Santa Barbara Foundation to help fund very low and moderate housing. CPA supports the staff suggested Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting The work has already been done. The community plans already reflect good zoning and planning practices that you should require.

We also agree with suggestions by SBCAN. We agree with the comments they made regarding the needs of housing out at UCSB, which should be addressed. We also agree with their comment about the builder's remedy. We personally feel that the puny 20% requirement for affordable units and only 80% of market area, well more than 80%, the affordable units would exacerbate the pressures on the residential communities. Thank you for taking the time today to look closely at the housing element And to establish criteria to rezone parcels that might actually create low income and affordable local workforce housing. Thank you.

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:37:44

We will now go to Linda Honigman, and then we will return to the Santa Barbara Hearing Room with Dustin Hoysa. Linda?

CommentLinda HonickmanProposedself-stated6:37:54

Hello, Supervisors. I'm Linda Honickman speaking as an individual who lives in the South Hollister area. It is hard not to focus on the Builders' Remedy projects that could produce thousands of small rentals for above moderate incomes. But if we can start thinking beyond current threats and have a vision for where we want to get to it may help our final site selection.

Put on your future hat. It's 2031 and we are still living in the county with less stress! We have a national reputation for reversing our housing crisis and being an innovator in the areas of zoning and planning that encourage pro-people and pro-environment neighborhoods, housing design and manufacturing that improve affordability and sustainability, jobs housing balance or housing security programs such as lease to own, and community investments and campaigns that help all the above.

Our future economy flourished in part because we were able to tap into the decade of home formation for millennials and offered low-and-moderate income workers a chance to participate in the American dream. And, we brought in hefty revenues from property tax and housing related businesses especially in the North County where many jobs were created. So, what do we do this year? We need to see a countywide commitment to improve housing security for local residents and workers.

And the priorities for sites to upzone should start with those owned by the county and faith communities. For privately-owned sites, we need to assess their willingness to consider what our communities need. Questions I would like to ask investor developer teams. Will you be pro-community and respond to needs, ideally with a nearby employer partner? Are you willing to consider a variety of housing types for families or a few taller buildings that would allow for more recreation and environmental assets?

Would you consider offering a high percent of moderate income condos for purchase? If you can't provide plans for more than the bare minimum 20% affordable or desirable options, are you willing to subdivide and sell some acres to a non-profit developer? And I want to just sneak in a couple of comments on partnerships for the low income and also how we can get more moderate units.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:40:27

Well, Linda, you're going to have to save that for next time your time's up. I'm

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:40:30

sorry.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:40:31

Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:40:32

We will now return to the Santa Barbara hearing room with Dustin Hoyseth to be followed by Joe Rowan. Dustin?

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PresenterDustin HoysethSanta Barbara South Coast Chamber of CommerceProposedself-stated6:40:44

And Miller go before Joe Rowan, just we strategically. We're trying to get her.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:40:48

Well, that's up to the clerk but makes sense to me. Thank

PresenterDustin HoysethSanta Barbara South Coast Chamber of CommerceProposedself-stated6:40:52

you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed6:40:52

Absolutely

PresenterDustin HoysethSanta Barbara South Coast Chamber of CommerceProposedself-stated6:40:53

sorry to be a pain. All right. Hello chair Levenino and supervisors I'm Dustin Hoyseth public policy manager with the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce. The chamber is excited to see the county considering these criteria for rezones as it will help to offer additional clarity to the property owners interested in a rezone Some of which are the same people that we have been working with to lay the foundation for the employer-sponsored housing consortium program that you've heard us mention.

It has been a great pleasure and privilege to work with the various members of the community as we have worked through the development of this program, and the specifics of how we can create something that will provide long term benefits to the community. To do so, we need buy in from employers, property owners, and government, all of which I have felt we have. At this point it's just a matter of putting the right pieces into place.

Through the months of January and February, the chamber is working to secure letters of interest and letters of intent from employers and property owners in order to both lay the foundation for the creation of these consortiums and demonstrate to the county who is committed to this for consideration during the rezone conversations. We urge the board to prioritize workforce housing throughout this rezoning process, support the employer-sponsored housing consortium program, and recognize the clear community benefit offered by properties that partner with an employer-sponsored consortium.

Several of the properties included in the county's potential rezones have already expressed an interest to work with the Chamber on this program, and we are at varying levels of progress with these differing partners. This is a benefit that we hope the Board will take into account as they consider the rezones this year. In some ways, the initial success of this program relies on the successful rezoning of the sites looking to partner with early employer-sponsored housing consortiums.

However, as our efforts on this program have progressed we've seen an increasing interest from employers and property owners alike. We expect that this interest in the collaborative model will only increase once we have a successful pilot project we can point to. Additionally, in the long term some kind of commitment from the county to provide an incentive for future property owners to participate in future relationships with a consortium but that is a conversation for a different time. Thank you for your time today.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:43:04

We will now go to Kristen Miller

PresenterKristen MillerSanta Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce representing almost 1Proposedself-stated6:43:06

to be followed by Joe Rowan. Kristen. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Lovenino and members of the Board. I'm Kristen Miller, President and CEO of the Santa Barbara South Coast Chamber of Commerce representing almost 1,000 members and 75,000 jobs. I am happy to be here today to see the Board discussing criteria for rezones that will more clearly define community benefits and give property owners a more straightforward path to providing much-needed housing for our communities.

I am also here to champion our work on the creation of an employer-sponsored housing consortium program in Santa Barbara County and how it relates to the criteria you are considering. The employer-sponsored housing consortium is an innovative solution to several of our region's housing challenges, in which multiple employers will enter into a partnership to acquire property which they can then provide to local employees.

Last year, the chamber hired an outside consultant with experience in employer-sponsored housing initiatives to help us put this together in hopes that it will work for our community. We're trying to create a statewide example of how employers and their employees can benefit while also playing an important role in solving our local housing crisis. You'll be hearing from our consultant Joe Rowan next.

Over the past seven plus months, the chamber has held discussions with employers, property owners, county staff and others to better understand this topic from several perspectives and develop a model that will be successful here. We have made significant progress on this initiative identifying rental and ownership models to satisfy employers and property owners alike.

Lack of local housing supply continues to be one of the biggest challenges faced by businesses here. This is why we wrote The Road Home and that calls for 10,000 units over ten years at all levels including all levels of a variety of workforce jobs. We're aware that there's a concern that any housing built within this RHNA cycle may not go to the local workforce unless deliberate action is taken towards ensuring that it does. Our Employer Sponsored Housing Consortium is an effective means of accomplishing that goal. Two of the potential criteria you've presented with today are around local preference and around marketing to employers before they go on the open market, Both of these make total sense. Both also have some challenges. Fortunately, we feel like both of those challenges are avoided by our employer-sponsored housing consortium model.

The consortium would act as the proactive buyer, therefore ensuring securing units specifically for the workforce. I'm so sorry but you

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:46:04

are over your time. Sorry. Thank you. We will now go to Joe Rowan to be followed by James Curiaco.

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CommentShell RowanProposedself-stated6:46:13

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the board. My name is Shell Rowan and I am serving as a consultant to the Santa Barbara Chamber of Commerce happy to do so as well bringing innovative solutions to what the problem that obviously not only affects you locally but across our country. And so before I describe what those models look like that have been talked about just a couple of underlying premises. So guiding principle is that we want to create new affordable units or new units that are affordable to the local workforce And rather than just an additive process, I should say. And the other element to this is that we want to again ensure that these models are durable so that they do perpetuate long term and that they are highly accountable to the public but then also it's scalable so that this can be replicated in other parts of the county.

Both of the models that have been talked about share uh... some similarities in that it's multi-employer and we feel like multi employer consortia actually uh... provides better benefits because you avoid that single employer type housing uh... that carry stigmas it also allows greater separation between the employer and the employee because that does create some very uh... difficult situations uh... longer term so uh... in creating these partnerships Multiple employers will come together and under one model, they would actually acquire properties and then make those available to their employees. But then it also allows the employers to work with the developers to design the product itself so that these housing units are configured to really replicate what the workforce is looking for in terms of location, how many bedrooms etc., some of the elements that were brought up earlier in terms of other amenities These can all be designed into the project.

And so the employers then are actually reflecting the local workforce. So under one model, they would actually own those properties and then it would make them available to their employees under a separate model. They would actually be under a master lease agreement. So again, depending on the employer itself and the type of workforce that they're trying to serve They actually would have two different options where they can participate in one and or both of these models. And so with that, hopefully again these could be incorporated into your program. Thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:48:47

Thank you Joe. Supervisor Hartman? Go

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.866:48:49

ahead. Thank you so much for being here. You've actually developed some of these in Colorado is that

CommentShell RowanProposedself-stated6:48:55

correct? Actually what I have been doing and thank you for the question supervisor we actually have seen this This type of model that is being done is very common outside of the United States. What we're very used to is single employer-type housing programs, and again, that works in rural areas obviously. It also works in resort areas. It does not work in an urban area.

And so these multi-employer programs that actually were importing this model from outside of the United States

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.866:49:32

And does it work for purchase and rental?

CommentShell RowanProposedself-stated6:49:36

It does. It actually is designed to do both, and again this would be reflective in the employers being very instrumental in the design of the project itself so that you can actually incorporate ownership and rental within a single project, and it reflects again the type of workforce that that employer is trying to serve.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.866:49:57

Thank you.

CommentShell RowanProposedself-stated6:49:57

And I appreciate that question and welcome any further questions. Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:50:04

We will now go to James Kiriakou to be followed by Otis Califf. James?

CommentJames KiriakouProposed6:50:11

Thank you, good afternoon members of the board and of course my iPad went to sleep right in that moment.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.726:50:16

Start his clock no I'm just kidding hold on.

CommentJames KiriakouProposed6:50:20

Good afternoon members of the board James Kiriakou speaking on my own behalf as someone who recently navigated rezones you have my sympathies and my appreciation this week you begin to wrestle with the task of deciding which parcels in Good morning everyone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It'll also have the benefit of reducing vehicle trips. Don't think of vehicle miles traveled as simply how far do you have to drive to your job? There's other ways at reducing BMT.

There's also a shortage of active recreation opportunities in the Eastern Gleda Valley, so projects that say want to put a community pool in and want to put in hiking trails, things of that nature that can help solve a regional active recreation deficit should also be given consideration Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board. Prioritize developments that offer moderate income missing middle housing as well as low-income housing.

This is especially important because of the sheer number of builder's remedy projects that you're getting, as was touched on by Director Plowman. It's not comporting to the 50%, 25% formula that you had for your vacant sites at the beginning. It putting a lot of strain on that formula. And so anything that you can do to bring some of the builder's remedy projects back Maybe they can trade a little bit of one type of housing for some more moderate, help you get to the arena a different way and then they get the certainty of the rezone. I think Supervisor Nelson made some good points about whether or not to just go forward with Because they want it, there's some different ways of looking at that. One thing to perhaps think about is if you rezone later as a result of no net loss, you've given yourself some time to put some of your programs into place that allow you to implement your housing element now whereas if you have projects that are already in with an application They're already kind of grandfathered into your existing rules.

You don't have the ability to kind of change the rules on them later.

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ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:53:17

Thank you, James. That is your time. We will now go to Otis Califf to be followed by Kevin Snow. Otis?

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CommentOtis CaliffProposedself-stated6:53:26

Afternoon Chair and Supervisors. My name is Otis Califf. I'm chair of the CRATEC, the County Riding Hiking Trails Advisory Committee. This is a real hard issue, I can tell And clearly, the easiest route for the P&D bureaucracy to comply with the state mandates is to build as many boxes as possible without extra concern for quality of life. These people are your employees and this is your last chance to instruct them to require public amenities to make life in these boxes more livable and more environmentally unjust Excuse me, more environmentally just.

Instruct them to require significant public open space trails and parks. Yesterday, CRADAC approved a letter to be sent to P&D which will be copied to you That lays out in detail how the EIR should be improved to attempt to sustain our quality of life when faced with this onslaught of new dense housing. Just to put myself in a little perspective for you, I've lived on the Mesa by the City College for 45 years. I'm 79 years old And I am the last generation of carpenters who will own houses on the South Coast.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:55:09

We'll now go to Kevin Snow, to be followed by Diane Black.

CommentKevin SnowProposedself-stated6:55:17

Good afternoon Supervisors. My name is Kevin Snow. I've been a very long-term member of Montecito Trails Foundation and have also served on the County Riding and Hiking Trails Advisory Committee along with Otis and others And much of what we've been talking about today has been the message we're giving to developers and considering what benefits accrue to the community from these projects. And my concern is, and always has been, the inclusion of trails in these projects and the importance of recognizing as county policy clearly and unequivocally states that trails and public access are fundamental to public health and welfare in our community so Part of the tradeoff that may come with rezoning and with approving these projects, I think needs to include clear recognition of the importance of trails in public access.

My initial reading of the environmental impact report, there's a number of things missing in there. I'll just relate a few of them which you'll be getting in the letter that will be coming from CRATAC. But one of those is Lacks an adequate discussion of the importance and analysis of impacts to the county's public trail system by these revisions. And it employs narrow thresholds of significance that undervalue the importance of parks, recreation trails to public health and welfare.

And I just think that as you, these projects come forward, the importance of trails and access just needs to be given greater Acknowledgement of being important to the benefit and welfare of our community. So I thank you so much for the effort that you've been making. I hope this project doesn't get jammed through in too short a period of time, it just seems this is so complicated and so many issues are engaged that I'm hoping that P&D will consider the revisions necessary to the EIR impact statement. Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.766:57:25

We will now go to Diane Black to be followed by Jeff Nelson, who is our final speaker. Diane?

CommentDiane BlackProposed6:57:32

Chair Lavinino and members of the board, I'm going to start at the end of my letter since I didn't get there the last time. We're asking that you hold a hearing, and you've talked about that, to allow developers to explain what their concept of development is. We're also asking that you not lose sight of the need, the desperate need for funding of affordable housing, and hope that you'll prioritize that Consideration of a bond or tax measure immediately and don't wait several years because the good sites are going to be gone. So that really needs to happen. And then thirdly, that you immediately establish a requirement for local preference so that any housing resulting from the housing element will contribute to solving the problem we have instead of just perpetuating the situation that's existed.

So now I'm going to jump back to the numbers. There are 4271 above moderate We are already over by 322%. Given this reality, we really need to focus on affordable housing at every level. The best way to do that is to provide land and money to develop. Otherwise, the county if we continue to be on the path that we're on, we're going to be facilitating overdevelopment of market rate units that will not be affordable to the majority of local workers and families. I couldn't even afford a house on my salary when I worked here now.

You need 1073 very low and low income units and 854 moderate income units above and beyond what is already in the pipeline. Your model assumes a much higher percentage of affordability that will be, that is assumed more than any program would actually deliver it's up to 75%. You've heard like 20% about the most you're going to get. So if we continue down this path, it may end up with an additional 8000 market rate units above and beyond the almost 3000 you're exceeding to get the 2000 affordable units you need on the South Coast.

So you're going to cut me off again. Darn. I didn't say a word. OK, so I'm just going to pretend I didn't see the clock. You've

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:00:12

been here long enough that you know what it is. Let her

CommentDiane BlackProposed7:00:14

say a little more. No actually, there's nothing here that shows that you're about to exceed your time. So just a little process improvement. Something was here because I'm not going to look at myself.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:00:24

It's

CommentDiane BlackProposed7:00:25

right here. Just so the public is aware, that is in the works. Thank you. Oh good. Yes. Good. So here's what I'm suggesting. I'm just going to suggest two things. Rezone every county-owned property that you've identified and identify more. And when you rezone those properties, please don't develop them with above market units or above affordable units. Stick with very low, low and moderate income units because you saw a big part of your workforce would be served by that. So I'll leave it at that. Thank you for the extra little bit of time.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.767:01:01

We will now go to Jeff Nelson who is our final speaker.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:01:05

Jeff, you get 10 minutes. No I'm just kidding.

CommentJeff NelsonProposed7:01:09

Thank you Chair and Supervisors. Jeff Nelson, I am a local stakeholder in Eastern Gloucester where I care very much what happens here because we've invested 30 years In making it great, where people actually want to live there rather than Montecito or Hope Ranch. Believe that we've created great communities there that people have chosen to live because it's near schools. It's finally grained its near recreation so It can be done and I don't want Eastern Gluta to be diminished.

And so we were asked to get involved in one of these projects, and I said, I'm going to take a long time to see if this can be a really fine project because I don't want to be involved in just a mass project with a bunch of housing units to click off something the county. I've been involved in all these projects in Eastern Gluta most Ag conversions and some have taken more than 10 years to do. And we hung in there, we hung in there and hung in there with the landowners for I'm working with the Georgies who have been waiting for 52 years since the Goleta water moratorium was adopted that stopped the conversion of normal infill properties in the heart of the urban area To be converted to some other use. It was once considered in the 80s to be the best place for local retail, but no that was turned down.

But so my people I'm working with have gone from high school to now retired waiting for their time and I think this is their time. So as I wrote to you, this is important zoning 101 work. You have to consider the basics of urban planning. What is the impact On transportation on access to all things to fire safety. Is it does it make sense on a zoning map? So, to dismiss that is too I think to miss the boat here and market rate housing is going to pay the freight You can't be diminished, it can't be marginalized. And it's hard doing a project with 40 units an acre that's gonna be hard selling all those to support all the other things, it's gonna be hard.

So we've done it on other projects I feel confident we can succeed here too but this is hard work and I would say consider the basics here on urban planning thank you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:04:03

Thank you.

ClerkJacquelyne AlexanderChief Deputy Clerk of the BoardProposedvoiceprint 0.767:04:03

And that concludes public comment on this item

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:04:06

Awesome, great public comments. Bringing it back to the board staff did you hear anything that you wanted to comment

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction7:04:13

on? Mr Chair I think the first speaker talked about criteria related to just basic land use principles and we will be presenting those to the board when we come back so Whether a site is in the urban boundary, whether it's near commercial services, schools, access to water and sewer. That will all be provided for the board so you can assess that as you're looking at the rezones.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:04:39

Cool. Bringing back supervisor Capps?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.917:04:43

Yeah I'm just curious where we go from here. We've talked about a lot of criteria there was sample criteria in the presentation what's next? What's the product that would be helpful for developers to understand and the community as well?

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CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction7:05:02

Mr. Chair, members of the board. We had not considered producing a product that it was more of a discussion that the board would have and that the developers would be able to hear but certainly like some kind of one page handout or something like that we could produce Maybe put something on the housing element website that reflects the board's comments today about what's important in new projects is something I think we could accommodate.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.917:05:34

Excellent, thank you and then this hearing it sounds like there's consensus for would be. Somewhere somewhere between now and when they rezone hearing to

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction7:05:44

be. Yeah, Mr. Chair and Supervisor Capps yes that would be in advance of our rezone we expect that we're going to have a couple of hearings at our planning commission sure and that we would probably have more than one hearing potentially at the board as well over the reasons but will have to talk internally about what makes most sense in terms of having some kind of workshop format I have to think about it a little bit more with the best process would be for the board and then to get this information from It'll happen definitely before the reasons. Great.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:06:19

Supervisor Williams.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role7:06:22

Well, I think that We've articulated a lot of priorities and I think we, by doing the hearing it gives us a chance to essentially force developers to say what they will do in a community benefit before the rezone process. And I think that's really a good way to handle it and again I'll just say you know I think The key is projects that will produce more than what they're required of the low and moderate category. That's what we need, and of course these other public benefits are important too. I mean, I would say the local preference is by far the biggest right? Because it The way that we would accomplish community's needs is if we actually were housing a large percentage of people who already lived or worked here. And then the other benefits I agree with, recreation, child care, et cetera.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:07:37

Supervisor Nelson?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:07:38

Thank you, Chair Labanino.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:07:41

Thank you. No, I'm just kidding.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:07:43

Just to go through my criteria, because I think we talked about a little bit but I have a list that want to make sure they get out there. Top of my list is existing projects that might satisfy low or moderate that are still in the process. So if there's an existing project has been proposed That would be my highest priority for rezone. Is that low or moderate? If it's above moderate you're going to gamble like everybody else. But I think those two should be something I'm going to stand firm on my builder's remedy. I think that those projects should be looking at trying to get back into the loop and try to comply. With what we're doing here, I know that they have a pathway but they've got a lot of hurdles to perfect their entitlement. They're not exempt from CEQA and if anybody's ever been involved in CEQAs in Santa Barbara County, it's not an easy process so just because you're in Builders Remedy doesn't mean that you have a free pass here right to development.

We are limited eventually on what we can deny but there is still quite a bit of hurdles for those projects The front door would be the preferable option for those projects. And so that's what I would like to signal to the development community that's out there. The other things that are priorities for me, as I do actually am a big fan of four cell units and finding ways to have affordable or more affordable four cell units. Home ownership, townhouse ownership, condo ownership is pathway to the American dream and the more people in our community that we can provide that too, I think the better.

I'm a big fan of local preference And even having maybe a local preference that allows people that, you know, maybe graduated high school here to come back. I know that Nepoma is doing some very interesting things—I'm sorry, San Luis Obispo County is doing some really interesting things with the Dana Reserve project and that space since I really want to take advantage of those opportunities.

The, you know, the extra things that are nice, you know, I'm a big fan of youth sports facilities, community spaces for recreation and the last two That I have here are, you know, making sure that the projects conform to community plans. You know, we have these community plans and then all of a sudden the housing element comes on top of it. And how does that blow up your community plan? And I want to make sure you know when you come look at your project, how does it fit the Orchard Community Plan? How does it fit the Eastern Gleada Valley Community Plan? So think about that as you approach us. And then the last one is the job housing imbalance. Making sure these projects are along corridors if that's the case and making sure that we're not further causing that problem.

In the North County, that might also mean a project So that there are industrial components so it has some jobs to go with the housing. So those, that's my list looking forward to the discussion as a board in the future.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:10:26

Supervisor Hartman?

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:10:30

Before I speak about my criteria, I wonder if we might call Miss Black back up. She served for a long time right in this field and seen other housing elements and would like your advice particularly on strategies for the moderate housing but anything else that you could add?

CommentDiane BlackProposed7:10:50

Well before I forget, I forgot two important parts when I began speaking. I'm speaking on behalf of the League of Women Voters so I wanted to make that extremely clear. I know the board members know but I don't know if everybody in the room knows and secondly thank you for holding this hearing and for hearing from us. Strategies for moderate. I think the idea that your staff has to do Bonus density program at the local level that does successfully compete with the state might be one way to go I say that was some hesitancy because you know, I want to make sure we provide all of the affordable housing We need but we need a lot of tools to do that. And so I think I think that is probably the best one

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:11:36

Thank you.

CommentDiane BlackProposed7:11:36

Thank you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:11:38

Okay, so What's our

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:11:45

Did you?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:11:47

I'm looking for deliberation.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:11:49

The criteria

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:11:52

that have been laid out in the memo, I

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:11:54

think are

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:11:54

good

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:11:55

ones.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:11:56

They aren't really ranked.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.867:12:08

But I think what we have learned is how important the moderate is. And so, we need to see that from developers because if we can't get that then we have to have a lot more higher income housing and so I think one way to get that is with the partnerships and the employer consortium. And so, I really think that the South Coast Chamber has done yeoman's work in Uh, helping well doing finding these making these partnerships educating the community giving us a strategy. So I would like to see that those partnerships as well as partnerships with housing authorities and others the more that can be up front the more security we get about the kind of housing will get and it's not just that first Thank you.

Who can afford that? So we've got these employer consortiums. I hadn't realized it was a European concept, but it's a great one and I just think you're so innovative for bringing that to us. And so for me seeing that Developers partnering up is really critical. So for moderate housing, low income housing, housing that's durable in those income categories over time ideally showing partnerships as a way to demonstrate that and then I think other public benefits and I just want to emphasize public because You can have an enclosed community and you can have amenities, and I understand that that's what people want. But as we get more affordable the amenities go down. And so we've got to make it public trails, public parks, public whatever, that would really catch my attention and support.

So that's it.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:14:31

Excellent. I think it was a great discussion today. So definitely needed. We are now I guess item B here was provide direction as TAP is appropriate. Just want to make sure, do you have any other questions about anything you need as far as clarification on any of this that's been thrown at you all over the place? Go

CommentMeryl BrooksProposed · by introduction7:14:55

ahead. Mr. Chair, I think we understand the criteria that the board has presented and we will draft something up and put it up on our website.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:15:03

Great. So can I get a motion for A, B, and C? So moved.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.917:15:12

I'll second.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:15:14

Go ahead. Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed7:15:17

that's fine.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:15:20

All right we have a motion and a second all those in favor vote aye.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed7:15:25

Aye.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.727:15:26

Any opposed? Passes unanimously excellent so with that we are adjourned to Tuesday January 23rd 2024 right here in the beautiful city of Santa Barbara future housing site