BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 March 18, 2025

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.750:07 · ≈ 9:00 AM

I like it. OK. Good morning everybody. Good morning. Is that loud enough? Okay I am calling to order the March 18, 2025 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors. Welcome everybody. Madam Clerk please call the roll.

Roll call, called by Jen Krieger
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Supervisor Hartman? Here. Supervisor Nelson? Here. Supervisor Lavinino? Here Supervisor Lee? Here and Chair Kaps? And I'm here
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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction0:35 · ≈ 9:00 AM

and please join us in pledging

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.750:37 · ≈ 9:00 AM

allegiance to the flag.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction0:40 · ≈ 9:00 AM

Ready begin.

Okay. Our first item of business as usual is approval of the minutes from the March 11, 2025 regular meeting. Move approval. Thanks Supervisor Hartman.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction1:11 · ≈ 9:01 AM

Second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:12 · ≈ 9:01 AM

Thank you Supervisor Lee. All those in favor? Aye. Motion passes. Okay, Madam CEO your report please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:25 · ≈ 9:01 AM

Good morning board members today we have another edition of our 175th anniversary video series it features as you know our video series celebrates the county's 175th anniversary it features videos that highlight the history of Santa Barbara County And the videos in this series are played on channel 20 throughout the week and are highlighted in our monthly county newsletter, on CSB TV's YouTube page and on our social media channels in both English and Spanish. This morning's video highlights the rich history of the county's indigenous people. And thank you once again to Kelsey Butita for putting these together.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed2:05 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Welcome to Santa Barbara County, a place with immense natural beauty and rich history. Founded in 1850 as one of California's original counties, join us as we acknowledge the 175th anniversary of the county of Santa Barbara. In this video, we honor the rich history of this land's indigenous population, the Chumash.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:31 · ≈ 9:02 AM

Santa Barbara County is where our band, the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash have resided since time immemorial. Our ancestors are a testament to this area. Pretty much anywhere you go there's evidence of life for thousands and thousands of years including the Channel Islands. Pre-contact we had about 150 villages throughout our territory. You know tens of thousands of Chumash people living off the land, living off the sea. The greater Chumash community covered the aboriginal territory of about 7000 square The San Ynez Band of Chumash, we gained federal recognition in 1901. For us it's bitter.

We have recognition but not without a lot of loss over the years. Loss of land, loss of territory, loss of our culture. San Ynez Band, we take it seriously that we are the only federally recognized tribe but it's extremely important that we reach out to all of our brothers and sisters throughout our aboriginal territory

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed3:26 · ≈ 9:03 AM

One of those local tribes is the Coastal Band of the Chumash Nation, a sovereign nation of coastal Chumash indigenous peoples who spearhead the restoration and protection of their sacred lands and resources.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed3:41 · ≈ 9:03 AM

We're very proud of our customs, our traditions whether it's cultural classes, bowl making, basket making The Tumul is very significant to the Chumash. We're proud to be a part of a larger group of Chumash community members that do celebrate and honor our ancestors by crossing from Ventura all the way over to Santa Cruz, to honor our past but also to come together and share with each other from Chumasha band to Chumasa band Many people know of an anthropologist named J.P. Harrington, our great-great grandmother Maria Solares worked with him to help preserve our language so we worked with Dr. Applegate who had studied our languages for many many years and some of our elders in recreating a dictionary both from Somali Chumash language to English and English to Somali Chumash We're doing everything we can to carry on the traditions of our ancestors.

We will be sharing with the community in the Chumash Museum and Cultural Center. We have about a 6.9 acre site, beautiful architecture represents our tribal customs, traditions some of our tule huts certainly all of the materials are from our native area as Chumash people were very proud of the old ways the ways that our ancestors have done it Our tribal people were hunters and gatherers. We had pretty much everything we needed in this beautiful, gorgeous setting from the coast to inland the mountains it was one of the most magical places for our people to thrive.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:25 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Thank you thank you that was wonderful let's give it a round of applause

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:34 · ≈ 9:05 AM

Madam Chair. I just want to thank our CEO's office for bringing, making that a portion of our history because in the past we did have some rocky relationships and I just really want to point out the efforts of Supervisor Hartman and our CEO's office for really normalizing relations, and recognizing the Chumash as a separate and equal government to our own. And we recognize them and have government-to-government relationships so I think it was really important that this was part of this and I'm really excited and I thought that was very well done. So thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.756:18 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Excellent. Okay with that Madam Clerk are there any announcements or changes to our agenda today?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction6:26 · ≈ 9:06 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board, I do have a few announcements this morning. We had a continuation request on administrative item number four. Administrative item number four is sponsored by Supervisor Caps and is a resolution to be presented honoring Dave Carlson upon his retirement from the probation department after over 27 years of faithful and distinguished service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County.

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction6:46 · ≈ 9:06 AM

And we had a request to continue this item to the April 8th 2025 Board meeting. And that can be included with the balance of today's administrative agenda. Additionally, we had a quick announcement on Administrative Item Number 13. Administrative Item Number 13 is from the Community Services Department and is regarding a second reading of an ordinance to amend County Code Chapter 46A Inclusionary Housing. This item was mistakenly included on the March 11th 2025 Agenda and was carried forward to today's meeting as was previously noticed.

And lastly for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide

public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda, please see page 2 of the agenda. Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page two. If you have any questions please contact the Clerk of the Board's Office at area code 805-568-2240 again that number is 805 Thank you. And that concludes my announcements for today.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.757:47 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Okay,

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction7:47 · ≈ 9:07 AM

thank

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.927:48 · ≈ 9:07 AM

you supervisor

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.757:48 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.927:49 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Madam chair I move that we continue item a 4 to April 8th.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction7:56 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Second it.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.757:59 · ≈ 9:07 AM

Okay let's see we need to read do we need to read that. Okay, we have a motion and a second by Supervisor Lee. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Okay next up we have the administrative agenda any board members like to pull? Any items here I have three from Supervisor Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction8:34 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Actually I'm just going to go with two. I'm gonna pull 8-10 for discussion and 8-13 for roll call vote please

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.758:41 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Okay, and I would like to pull A11. Any others from colleagues? Okay any from the public Madam Clerk?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction8:54 · ≈ 9:08 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board we have no requests to speak on the administrative agenda from the public.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.759:02 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Okay well then now I'll entertain a motion to approve the balance of the administrative agenda except for A10, A11 and A13.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction9:10 · ≈ 9:09 AM

So moved. Second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.759:12 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Okay all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries okay when we're ready we'll move on to the resolutions presented I believe we have seven today which is why there might be a lot of folks here this morning Okay, when you're ready Madam Clerk. Administrative item number one please.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction9:41 · ≈ 9:09 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board administrative item number one is sponsored by Supervisor Lee it is to adopt a resolution proclaiming the month of March 2025 as American Red Cross Month in Santa Barbara County and joining us in person today we have Richard Steele and Richard if you can make your way to the podium I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas in 1881, Clara Barton established the American Red Cross transforming her unwavering commitment to aiding those in need into a powerful humanitarian mission that has endured for over 140 years. Today we recognize the dedication and generosity of Red Cross volunteers in Santa Barbara County I'm so excited to be here with you today. I want to start by thanking the members of Santa Barbara County who continue to uphold Clara Barton's life-saving legacy and whereas in moments of crisis, the residents of Santa Barbara County demonstrate their compassion and unity by supporting one another and our neighbors to the north and south as exhibited by the Los Angeles fires in January.

The spirit of humanitarianism is a cornerstone of our community And whereas this voluntary and generous contributions shine a beacon of hope and critical support in people's darkest hours, whether it's offering shelter, food, and comfort during disasters such as the recent neighboring Mountain Fire. Providing critical blood donations for hospital and surgery patients. Supporting service members, veterans, and their families through unique challenges. Saving lives with first aid, CPR, AED, and other disaster preparedness skills or delivering international aid and reconnecting loved ones separated by global crisis.

And whereas we dedicate this march to honoring our Santa Barbara County community members who continue to advance the noble mission of the American Red Cross inspired by Clara Barton's guiding principle, you must never think of anything except the need and how to meet it. We encourage all members of our community to embrace this spirit of service and generosity Now, therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors hereby proclaims March 2025 as American Red Cross Month and encourages residents to engage in preparedness and relief efforts in the humanitarian spirit of the American Red Cross passed and adopted today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed11:56 · ≈ 9:11 AM

So thank you, Supervisor Lee and the Board of Supervisors. We appreciate it. That was a lot of now therefores and whereases. And we thank you for the recognition. So the Red Cross responds to about 65,000 disasters every year, large disasters like hurricanes and floods and debris flows, wildfires, and then smaller disasters like house fires which make up the majority of that 65,00 number.

Every two seconds, somebody in the United States needs blood and the Red Cross provides about 40% of the United States' blood supply. We depend on the generosity of donors to help save lives in that regard. The Red Cross is very proud that an average of 90 cents of every dollar spent is invested in providing care and comfort to people in need, and volunteers are lifeblood of the Red Cross. Ninety percent of our workforce is volunteers.

We support military members and their families from the moment a service member takes their oath to the time that they're navigating life as a veteran, and we're very proud of that history of service as well. Red Cross Month has been going for 81 years since President Roosevelt declared the first Red Cross month in the month of March. We are very honored and proud that the County of Santa Barbara is continuing that tradition in recognizing Red Cross Month. Thank you very much.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7513:30 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Thank you so much. Now we'll go on to administrative item number two, please. Resolution.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction13:35 · ≈ 9:13 AM

Chair Caps and members of the Board, Administrative Item Number Two is sponsored by Supervisor Caps. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming the week of March 22nd 2025 through March 30th 2025 as Tsunami Preparedness Week in Santa Barbara County and joining us in person today we have Stacy Silva and Kelly Hubbard And Jackie Ruiz. And while they're making their way to the podium, I'll go ahead and read the resolution.

Whereas Santa Barbara County has 110 miles of pristine coastline that attract residents and visitors throughout the year, all coastal areas within Santa Barbara County are susceptible to a tsunami. And whereas the public can access an interactive tsunami inundation map at ReadySBC.org, the public is encouraged to register for local emergency alerts at Readysbc.org And whereas a tsunami is a series of potentially damaging and fatal ocean waves caused by a large displacement of water from earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and underwater seismic activity. People living visiting or working in a tsunami hazard area must be aware of the warning signs that indicate potential tsunami activity including a strong earthquake, the ocean withdrawing or rising rapidly, or a loud roaring sound coming from the sea.

And whereas beachgoers should pay special attention to tsunami signage, including tsunami evacuation kiosks at beachfront county and state parks. And whereas there are three levels of notification that people must know tsunami watch a tsunami may impact the area tsunami advisory as tsunami with the potential to generate strong currents or waves is eminent A tsunami warning. A tsunami with the potential to generate widespread inundation is imminent, expected or occurring. Evacuations of identified tsunami inundation areas will be required and whereas if conditions indicate a tsunami threat exists the public must immediately act by calmly moving inlet to high ground. Individuals in the water during a tsunami that are unable to exit and get to high ground should grab onto a nearby floating object And whereas all involved should stay informed through reliable sources of information, stay away from the coast including beach cliffs and low-laying areas including rivers and creeks until officials say it's safe to return.

And whereas the community is invited to join the Office of Emergency Management in County Parks Division for a tsunami walk on Thursday March 27th 2025 at 8 AM at Guadalupe Beach and Goleta Beach and at 11 a.m. at Halama Beach in Arroyo Borough Beach now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors does hereby proclaim the week of March 22nd through 30th 2025 as Tsunami Preparedness Week passed and adopted today

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed16:20 · ≈ 9:16 AM

Chair Caps, members of the board. Thank you for taking the time to recognize Tsunami Preparedness Week. Santa Barbara County is susceptible to tsunamis from both local and distant sources. We know that tsunamis and earthquakes are directly connected So in honor of the 100th anniversary of the Santa Barbara earthquake, this year we are partnering with County Parks to host tsunami walk and roll events. We will have beach wheelchairs available to those who need that support at specific beaches countywide. We invite you all to join us as we take steps to prepare by following the tsunami signage And building muscle memory and physically taking those steps to safety in the event that a tsunami does impact our coast. Thank you so much.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.9017:20 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Madam Chair, I'm laughing because Our tsunami sign is the greatest sign ever, by the way. So if you haven't seen it, hits a giant wave coming up and a guy running uphill and it's like got an arrow like run that way. It's like I don't know who designed it but every time I see it, it cracks me

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7517:39 · ≈ 9:17 AM

up. All right thank you very much moving right along to women's equal payday item number three

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction17:47 · ≈ 9:17 AM

Chair Capps and members of the Board, Administrative Item number three is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman and Supervisor Capp. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming March 25th 2025 as Women's Equal Pay Day in Santa Barbara County. And joining us in person today we have Lucy Thomas Harrington president of Lompoc-Vandenberg branch of AAUW American Association of University Women.

And if you can please make your way to the podium anyone else you'd like to join with you and I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas more than 50 years after the passage of the Equal Pay Act, women and disproportionately women of color still do not earn wages equal to those of their male peers. And whereas according to the U.S. Census Bureau, women working full-time year round in Santa Barbara County earn approximately 83% of what men earn and whereas the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 provided a legal framework for challenging pay inequity yet the need remains for further legislative actions such as the Paycheck Fairness Act to close loopholes and strengthen protections against wage discrimination.

And whereas in the United States, 40% of women with children are primary breadwinners of their households and nearly two-thirds are primary or significant earners making pay equity critical to family economic security. And whereas lifelong wage disparities result in lower lifetime earnings for women reducing their ability to save for retirement and diminishing Social Security and pension benefits.

And whereas fair pay strengthens family financial stability and eases future retirement costs while benefiting the broader economy And whereas March 25th, 2025 symbolizes the date when the wages paid to American women catch up to the wages paid to men in the previous calendar year. Now therefore it is hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of the County of Santa Barbara recognizes the full value of women's skills and contributions to the workforce and urges businesses and employers to conduct internal pay evaluations to ensure fair and equal compensation for women passed and adopted today.

GovJana PetersenCounty Executive OfficerProposedvoiceprint 0.5719:53 · ≈ 9:19 AM

Good morning and thank you to the esteemed members of the Board of Supervisors and Chair, community members and guests. We are honored and humbled to stand before you today to accept the Equal Pay Proclamation on behalf of the American Association of University Women a nonpartisan organization open to all genders committed to improving the lives of women and girls in our communities our state in our nation through education research and advocacy. In each one of the supervisory districts there is an AEUW branch, Santa Barbara Goleta Valley, UCSB Isla Vista, Lompoc-Vandenberg which also includes the San Ynez Valley and Santa Maria.

This recognition of equal pay is not only a symbol of progress it's a powerful reminder of the work that we still have to do We want to acknowledge the tireless advocates, workers and allies who have been at the forefront with us and you standing with AUW like the Santa Barbara County Commission for Women and so many others. Your courage, persistence and unwavering belief in the cause has paved the way for this progress.

Equal pay isn't just a matter of fairness. It is an essential component of a thriving society when individuals regardless of race, gender or background are paid equally for the work they do strengthens families improves the economy and improves the community as a whole. For far too long, unequal pay has been an issue that affects far too many people but today this proclamation represents not only a recognition of the progress that we've made but a promise to continue the fight for those still left behind. We know that equal pay for equal work leads to better outcomes for everyone.

While this proclamation is a significant step it's not Final one, our work is far from over. The gender pay gap is real as evidenced by the AUW 2025 report update entitled the not so simple truth which I will leave with each of you today. It demonstrates the work which remains for all women and the large gap facing women of color. For example, when adjusted for full-time part time in seasonal work in aggregate when compared to their male counterparts white women earn just 73 cents on each dollar black woman earned only 65 cents on each dollar And the gap grows further. Latinas and Native American women earn just 51 and 52 cents for each dollar, respectively. The gap handicaps economic growth and stability for our communities.

We must continue to advocate for transparent pay practices and policies such as the ones that you noted in the proclamation regardless of gender, race or background so we can truly level the playing field for all workers AUW commits to working alongside of you, community leaders, organizations and citizens to make sure that equal pay becomes the norm and not the exception. Together we can build a future where everyone is valued for their contribution and where equal pay is a right not a privilege. Thank you very much for this acknowledgement it's an honor to accept it on your behalf.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7523:52 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Thank you so much. Now we'll move on to administrative item number five.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction23:58 · ≈ 9:23 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board, Administrative Item Number Five is sponsored by Supervisor Caps. It is to adopt a resolution of commendation and recognition and appreciation of Ron Wirft's distinguished service to cottage health in Santa Barbara County. And joining us here in person today, we have Ron Wirft. Now go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Ron Wirth has served Cottage Health for 38 years, including 25 years as its president and CEO. Guiding its growth from a local hospital to a regional healthcare system that provides exceptional care and specialties including trauma care, neurosciences, cardiology, orthopedics, pediatrics and psychiatry.

And whereas under Mr. Wirth's leadership, Cottage Health completed significant infrastructure projects including the complex 20-year rebuild of Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital, the construction of a new Goleta Valley Cottage Hospital and the expansion of services at San Ines Valley Cottage Hospital all while maintaining continuous patient care. And whereas Mr. Wirth's vision led to the establishment of the Cottage Center for Population Health Thank you. Good morning, everyone. My name is Barbara County Board of Supervisors and I'm here to talk about the Cottage Health Research Institute and partnerships with area colleges as well as securing transformative donations such as the record $65 million gift from Mary and Richard Compton for the Compton Center for Medical Excellence in Innovation.

And whereas recognizing workforce housing including the successful Bella Riviera project and plans for future developments demonstrating his commitment to employee retention and community investment. And whereas Mr. Werft is renowned for his gracious leadership style characterized by a warm and inclusive approach that has earned him the respect and admiration of his colleagues, the medical community, and the broader Santa Barbara community And whereas his leadership has fostered a culture of shared governance and collaboration, empowering frontline staff to contribute to organizational decisions and ensuring that patient care remains at the forefront of all endeavors. And whereas Mr. Wirth's dedication to community service extends beyond his professional role as he has served on numerous boards and committees further enriching the lives of those in Santa Barbara County.

And whereas throughout his career, Mr. Wirth has balanced his dedication to cottage health with his commitment to family and now looks forward to spending more time with his wife Mary and embracing his new role as grandfather to Lucas their first grandchild. Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors does hereby commend Ron Wirth Thank you so much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed27:02 · ≈ 9:27 AM

Supervisor Capps, members of the board. Thank you so much for this honor and recognition. I think you all know it's been an absolute privilege to be able to be involved with Cottage all of these years. You know, I'm more used to standing at this podium asking you for something than receiving something. And so that makes it especially nice today to receive from this Board and this County.

You know I really appreciated the video today and and to. learn again the history of Santa Barbara County. You know, Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital is a old established institution also and it was founded by 50 women in Santa Barbara in 1888 and contrary to popular opinion I wasn't here at the opening day but we've enjoyed a wonderful partnership with the county and I could just point to so many things that were Santa Barbara's a better place because of the work that we've been able to do together. Mona, to you and your team I think particularly with public health with behavioral wellness in times of fires and debris flows the fire chief being able to call people and get the help that we need at the hospital has been a blessing and we've done some great work together.

I have a number of members of my team here. I asked them to join me up here, they said no but I want them to raise their hands because they're the ones who make all those things happen and lastly thank you for including Mary and my family and Lucas in the resolution. I am very very lucky to have been married for 42 years to Mary Werft here in the second row here so Thank you once again. Very, very grateful for this. Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7529:07 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Supervisor Hartman wants to say something.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.9229:08 · ≈ 9:29 AM

Well I it must be said you've been really an unmatched gift to our community what it takes to organize a hospital. You have no room for error. It has to be a standard of excellence from the top all to the bottom. And we aspire to that in the county, we don't always make it. But your institution stands as a model. You've attracted top talent and what you've done in terms of expanding and modernizing facilities so there's even a cottage urgent care few blocks from my house in Santa Ynez. I mean that makes it so easy- We knew

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction29:47 · ≈ 9:29 AM

where you lived.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.9229:51 · ≈ 9:29 AM

I just want to add, thank you Supervisor Hartman. It's a pleasure to bestow this to you. 37 years is incredible as

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7529:59 · ≈ 9:29 AM

someone who was born at Cottage Hospital long before you started It just is amazing to see the transformation of what this hospital has become and all of the different branches. And I just want to particularly thank you for the leadership on workforce housing, as you call it, mission critical. We've learned from you. You've been so gracious with your time. Your team has been so gracious with their time in educating us in the county and just recently our housing team met with you over lunch, the best lunches at Cottage Hospital to learn more about how you develop workforce housing so successfully. So that you retain your workers and you have such an incredible retention rate because of the community that you foster in the type of workplace it is.

So thank you. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed30:52 · ≈ 9:30 AM

Thank you very much. Thanks everyone.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7531:04 · ≈ 9:31 AM

Okay, so we are now switching. We're moving on to administrative item number 7 is that correct? We just did a little switcheroo so we're going to do seven before six.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction31:13 · ≈ 9:31 AM

Yes Chair Kaps and members of the board thank you. We are going to take administrative item number seven in advance of A6 as previously noted. Administrative item number seven is sponsored by Supervisor Lee and Supervisor Nelson it is to adopt a resolution of accommodation honoring Colonel Philip Conran for his heroic contributions to the United States For the lasting impact of his actions in defense of his fellow soldiers and in support of his swift and well-deserved receipt of the Congressional Medal of Honor. And I will go ahead and read the resolution.

Whereas on October 6, 1969 then-Major Conran performed extraordinary acts of heroism when he after the designated rescue pilot refused due to extreme danger conducted a daring operation to recover downed personnel in Laos despite heavy enemy fire from North Vietnamese Army NVA forces ultimately saving the lives of eight Americans and 46 Laotian soldiers. And whereas despite being wounded and under relentless assault from the NVA Colonel Conran's leadership, tactical expertise and selfless bravery allowed his unit to withstand the intense firefight for over six hours providing critical support that enabled the successful recoveries of our comrades. And whereas Colonel Conrad's heroic actions including his bold decision to expose himself twice to heavy enemy fire to retrieve vital supplies in his command of defense under impossible circumstances are a testament to his unwavering dedication and courage in the face of overwhelming odds Whereas, it is with great respect and gratitude that we recognize Colonel Conran's extraordinary service and advocate for the United States Congress to expeditiously recommend upgrading Colonel Conran's Air Force Cross to his original Medal of Honor recommendation.

A recognition that is richly deserved for his life-saving actions in leadership under fire And whereas as a Santa Barbara neighbor for the past 25 years, Colonel Conran has demonstrated exceptional leadership and dedication to community service having served on the board of the Vieja Gardens Association for 24 years. Held national leadership roles with the Legion of Valor contributed significantly to veteran organizations in the military order of the Purple Heart played key roles in Santa Barbara's Memorial Day and July 4th ceremonies, and currently serves as treasurer for the California branch of the American Irish Historic Society all while cherishing a 66 year marriage to Margaret and a loving family of children grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County does hereby recognize and honor Colonel Philip Conran for his heroic contributions to the United States, for the lasting impact of his actions in defense of his fellow soldiers and in support of his swift and well-deserved receipt of the Congressional Medal of Honor adopted today.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed34:29 · ≈ 9:34 AM

Supervisors I wish to thank you personally for your resolution and in particular Roy, thank you. And based upon your association with Michael Cook who was the past commander of the Purple Heart organization, I thank you and lastly Laura, I want to thank you and pass on my best to your mom because Your mom started this 13 years ago when she introduced a bill in Congress to upgrade the Air Force Cross to the Medal of Honor, which was originally recommended in 1969. Now I won't embarrass you and ask you where you were on October 6th, 1969.

But I know where I was. I had just finished up a year flying combat over in Southeast Asia and my job was to ferry my heroes up into the north, drop them off special forces Army Special Forces group, drop them off and hopefully pick him up in five seven days later. Unfortunately most of them The pickups were emergency exfils because they were under contact with the North Vietnamese. So it was an interesting year over in Southeast Asia and one of our units symbols was, the last mission that you flew was supposed to be a walk in the park.

And on October 6th I was a happy man because I had my orders And I was headed for Hawaii to catch satellites when they'd come back in. Of course, you people don't realize that we used to catch the satellites and distribute the knowledge and the information of film that they had back to the Kodak in Rochester, New York where they processed it. We took off, there were five helicopters taken off from NKP on a classified mission.

The CIA director said it's a piece of cake you'll be home for lunch and this was supposed to be a clean mission we were going down to South Laos to pick up 125 Laotian troops and bring them to another secure CIA base. We picked them up and we transported them over and the mission consisted of the CIA leader to a one fighters, one rescue helicopter and us 5 helicopters.

We proceeded into the area and it was clear so number 1 I was number 2 number 1 went in And he promptly got shot down. So I immediately did an exfil out of the area and brought the fighters in to sanitize the area. When the area became fairly quiet, I asked the rescue pilot to go in there and pick up the four crewmen that were down on the first aircraft. He refused saying it was much too dangerous.

And it was, but I was left to make a decision. And I decided that they would be overrun and killed if I didn't go in there and bring in my 25 troops and hopefully save the day. I got in there and it was amazing. The enemy came up out of the ground Firing as I was coming in and they just they ruined my helicopter, but I could still control it. It's like you're going down the street at a hundred miles an hour and your power steering goes out.

You can still control that automobile but it's difficult and I decided that since I could still control it. I would continue with the mission And I landed, offloaded to 25 troops. Actually it was 24 at that time because one was perished and got the four Americans on board and was just taking off and they blew up my transmission. So I finished up fighting for six hours establishing the perimeter etc., etc. And we fortunately the on scene commander at that time airborne brought in four A1s that had non-lethal gas. And I mention non-lethal because the NBC, CBS, ABC at the time accused us of having lethal gas when they brought the A1's in.

Two came streaming down north to south, dropped at east and west. Immediately followed by two more coming east to west, dropping the gas north and south, completely saturating us with gas. And it was very debilitating gas. You were doing a lot of things. But anyways, two H53s came in and picked us up. And we got out of there. And it was a harrowing walk in the park that day.

Immediately after I got out of the hospital, I left for Hawaii. My squadron commander wrote me up for the Medal of Honor. And it was initially approved according to General Clark in Hawaii, but it was then downplayed because of the fact that we were operating in Laos and President Nixon's foreign directive stated that no American troops were in Laos. Consequently an award couldn't be issued.

I went on and no big deal until I made the mistake of talking with Hazel Blankenship with the Pierre Clyson Veterans Foundation, which I was a member of at the time. And I told her and she immediately went to Lois and they started a program to get it back upgraded and it's been working since and will continue to work and I thank you very much for this Resolution and hopefully it will help. Thank you very

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed41:41 · ≈ 9:41 AM

much.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7542:05 · ≈ 9:42 AM

Supervisor Lee.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction42:08 · ≈ 9:42 AM

Colonel Conrad, thank you for that amazing story. I can immerse myself in the whole scenario you just said. I just want to thank you. Thank you for your service to our country, to our people and to our community. And anybody out there write to your congressperson advocate for this medal of honor for our hero that stands before us. Thank you

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7542:31 · ≈ 9:42 AM

Thank you. Supervisor Nelson?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction42:32 · ≈ 9:42 AM

Yes, thank you Chair Caps and thank you Supervisor Lee for letting me be included on this special honor for Phil here and for Margaret as well because we know that none of that could have been possible without her back home raising the three children and supporting the family so just thank you both so much for your service. You guys are both heroes and local treasures and I know I'm going to be taking a little extra effort when I'm in D.C. to see if I can't advocate on your behalf so we appreciate you and we support you and

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7543:02 · ≈ 9:43 AM

Okay, last resolution to be presented. Going back to administrative item number six.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction43:09 · ≈ 9:43 AM

Chair Capps and members of the board, Administrative Item number six is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. It is to adopt a resolution of accommodation honoring Scott Hosking upon his retirement from the General Services Department after over 36 years of faithful and distinguished service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County. And joining us in person today we have Scott Hosking, Kurt Lagerquist Director of General Services and John Green Assistant Director of General Services I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Scott Hosking has served in public service for a combined 36 years with 32 of those in the General Services Department, where he has been the Facilities Maintenance Division Manager since 2012. And whereas Scott began his career in 1987 at the County of Santa Barbara as an engineer tech aide And whereas Scott took a brief leave from county employment to pursue a business Castanueva Children's Services District Attorney's Office building and the public defender courthouse remodel.

And whereas Scott's impact in the diverse roles that he has held at the county can be summarized in three words, Thank you. Good morning, everyone. My name is Barbara and I'm the executive director of the county's emergency operations center logistics section. Scott is a key contributor at the emergency operations center logistics section where he always responds and is that go to resource for logistics providing support His dedication and commitment to serving the county is synonymous with the county's core values. And whereas Scott's next chapter of life will be filled with opportunities to share time with family, travel and explore new adventures. Now therefore it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County does hereby acknowledge Scott Hosking for his years of dedicated service to the citizens of Santa Barbara County and congratulates him upon his retirement passed and adopted today.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed46:12 · ≈ 9:46 AM

Well I guess first it's kind of a tough act to follow the colonel here but thank you for your service. It's a rare day that I get my entire department together and usually there needs to be a promise of food and I'm told there's donuts so I'm glad they're here. Maybe they're here to make sure you actually leave or no, they're here because they love and respect you Scott.

As the resolution point out Scott's been he spent majority of his adult career. Somehow associated with the county 28 years of service actually to the county itself. He as I said, he built a lot of buildings that we work out of in fact our general services is not cast away the building. So you know it's where most of the skeletons are buried here and the county.

And he knows all these buildings inside now Scott has consistently answered the call throughout his career from wildfires, mudslides, conception boat fire, COVID pandemic, Gaviota oil spill, atmospheric rivers, windstorms, power outages and many more. Day or night, weekends, Scott could always be counted on to be on the scene and in the middle of it. I always knew if I called him he was probably already there.

Scott leads by example. He has earned the trust and respect of the facilities team most of them here today He has mentored many and has been a key to the succession planning within General Services. And lastly, he's developed lifelong friendships so while he retires this month and will be moving away from California I'm certain he will continue to maintain those relationships and friendships and reflect fondly upon the exceptional service and work that he completed throughout his time here.

So Scott on behalf of General Services thank you for your years of dedicated service to the county. We wish you the very best in retirement and I'll end with a traditional Navy saying fair winds and following seas.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 11Proposed48:17 · ≈ 9:48 AM

So I didn't come here ready to give a speech because I knew I'd break down when I was honored the employee of the month I pretty much fell apart but I just want to thank everybody I've worked through the entire career here. It's been fun. I'm honored to have my previous boss here, Mark Mendeville. Glad he was able to make it. It said it's been a privilege working with the county and I just want to leave you with the eye shine only because of people I work with.

They shine for me so thank you.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.9249:17 · ≈ 9:49 AM

Supervisor Hartman. Yeah, Scott before you go we just have to say you're the kind of person who makes us look really good and the county as a whole look really good. General services is tucked away not everybody appreciates but I think particularly of your work in Lompoc on the veterans building there and you were working with a broad group of community members And they'll remember you always because you helped in the restoration of that building. That's just one example of how your human emotional intelligence really can draw people together and accomplish something much bigger than they ever thought, so thank you so much. Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7550:10 · ≈ 9:50 AM

Okay, now for a section a little less emotional. We'll move on to our administrative items that have been pulled by the board or the public. We have three. Madam Clerk if you could please read into the record A10.

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction50:24 · ≈ 9:50 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board. Administrative item number 10 is from the Community Services Department it is to consider recommendations regarding the preservation of an inclusionary housing unit through acquisition located at 2615 Caspia Lane, Summerlin California 93067 and this is in the first district. Just maybe wait one minute

PresenterLionel NeffSanta Barbara Coalition for Responsible CannabisProposedself-stated51:00 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Okay, I think you can continue.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction51:33 · ≈ 9:51 AM

Thank you chair caps. So I pulled a 10 this is the inclusionary housing unit in Summerlin that the county has an option to purchase and you know, I talked to staff a little bit about this because reading the board letter it's we're going to purchase this property for $160,000. It's worth about 1.1 million. I know there's a covenant on there that we have recorded And I just was musing was reading about it like is that million dollars of value best used on this unit or is there a way for us to maybe look at. Removing our own covenant on the property so in a market rate in the future and taking that million dollars and applying it across to maybe facilitate some additional projects not Sorry

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7552:24 · ≈ 9:52 AM

we just need some conversations in the back to go outside into the lobby please so we can continue.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction52:34 · ≈ 9:52 AM

It occurred to me that I thought that, you know, just have the discussion. This item right now is to purchase it and then authorize staff to move forward with selling it again which is going to be a potentially kind of a lottery for somebody to win the opportunity by this property at a very affordable, which is what we want to create affordable options. You know in perpetuity and it seems like that there might be a better opportunity to to leverage those funds elsewhere so I just thought maybe we could direct staff to take a deeper look before directing them to go ahead and re resell the unit after we purchased it back and so I talked to Mr. Armis prior this about you know what But I just thought we could maybe do a little bit deeper dive to make sure that we're maximizing that value that exists there.

Instead of just benefiting one family, maybe there's a chance to benefit multiple families by redeploying those assets and some type of other project. And so that's really reason why I pulled it was to discuss that and if the board did support that, I would still move the item but remove Item D which is authorizing as the CSD director or does it need issue a request for proposals but didn't, but instead have staff take a look and maybe bring it back to us on options which may come back to being that they should just continue forward with the plan. But I thought we should at least talk about it Any thoughts?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7554:01 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Supervisor Lee or do you want to hear from Director Armbrust first.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction54:04 · ≈ 9:54 AM

I'll go first really fast, I just wanted to thank Supervisor Nelson for bringing this forward and bringing this idea. I think it's a great idea and I want to hear from Jesus. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed54:14 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Thank You Chair Kapsch and members of the board. Jesus Armbrust Community Services director if we have the Board would like to entertain Supervisor Nelson suggestion Deferring action on item D would be the appropriate method. We can come back and bring forward a request for proposal along with the additional information that Supervisor Nelson has asked would be helpful, and at that point a determination could be made as to the best path forward.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7554:45 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Great. And Supervisor Lee, just to confirm you're good with that? Yes

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction54:49 · ≈ 9:54 AM

I am.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7554:49 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Thank you. Great. Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.9254:51 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Hartman? Can you add any more? Are you supportive of this or is it...

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed54:58 · ≈ 9:54 AM

Well I think we need to Undertake a deeper dive as to how it conforms to our housing element. How it conforms to the county's practices on Restricted covenants such as the one that applies to this property and so we're not ready yet to offer a recommendation We do think it's appropriate to do a deeper dive and bring forward a formal recommendation at that point

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction55:20 · ≈ 9:55 AM

And that's my intention. This may still be the best option, I just thought we could just take another second look if it's difficult and too expensive or illegal for one to do something else then we shouldn't do that of course but I thought we should just take a look. I mean there's potential another $900,000 of value out there that we might be able to deploy And, you know I'm all about leveraging funds. So this might be one of those opportunities and like I said before instead of benefiting just one family which that's there has a lot of value there maybe there's a chance to benefit many more with affordable housing options so that's where the idea came from So if the board's okay, I'll go ahead and make a motion of A, B, C and E with the direction on to and we're going to defer D into direction to staff to take an evaluation about how to potentially dispose of the property after we acquire it.

I'll second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7556:14 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Okay. We have a motion in a second. All those in favor please say aye.

CommentMark Byers I'mProposedself-stated56:18 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Aye.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7556:19 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Motion carries Great, now

we'll move to item A11 which I pulled.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction56:32 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Chair Kaps and members of the board, Administrative Item number 11 is from the Community Services Department it is to consider recommendations to pause development of the local energy performance code.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7556:43 · ≈ 9:56 AM

Thank you to my colleagues. I pulled this just to give a little more air time, a little bit similar to what just occurred with the previous item. I fully support the direction to take a pause given the development that the state standards really are doing what we hope to do with this set of reach codes anyhow but I thought if I could just ask Director Armas to explain that a little bit and I'm hoping to hear a couple things about the next round of building codes in our exploration potential reach codes to match that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed57:16 · ≈ 9:57 AM

Thank you, Chair Kapsch. I appreciate the opportunity to embellish on the staff report. We are of course in a unique situation. The energy code will be taking effect in its new form just six months from now and even if we were to proceed with a code as we originally contemplated, we would need to return to the Energy Commission for its approval In January, so we thought it best to take a step back. Take a look more carefully at what we can do There are some additional enhancements that the energy code will Implement that in large measure is consistent with our cap This offers us an opportunity to look out whether there are other other opportunities make sure we work closely and carefully with planning and development to make sure there doesn't create additional Thank you very much.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.7558:16 · ≈ 9:58 AM

Thank you. Just one other piece of this is I'm a big supporter of the transition to electric, but I also know that it's quite confusing for builders and heard this directly from the chamber when I met with them about this topic when there's different reach codes and different codes city jurisdictions versus county so can you just elaborate as to how you're in coordination? I understand that the City of Goleta is moving forward with Thank you again Chair Kaps for that question. We do want to work closely with Goleta and Santa Barbara as you know they've taken different paths and so we want to make sure that

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed59:07 · ≈ 9:59 AM

Regionally, we can work together so that the development community can have some consistency across. the jurisdictions that you've mentioned. And so I think this affords us an opportunity and we do want to work closely, and as we've indicated previously, we would want to work closely with those other jurisdictions to develop as best we can a uniform approach so that development that is interested in a city project would address the same kind of considerations as a county project. And we think there's some value there. Additionally, to facilitate the calculations associated with complying with the energy code there is a software program that the development community utilizes and I participated in a webinar just recently where it was reported that a new software tool will be released sometime in the first six months of 25.

So that will facilitate again the development community being able to use those resources

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:00:08 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Great. Thank you, Director Armbrust. With those two assurances I'm happy to support staff recommendation and I make the motion.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:00:16 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:00:18 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Excellent we've got a motion and second all those in favor please say aye.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:00:22 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Aye.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:00:22 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Motion carries. And I believe the last item is A13 just for roll call vote.

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:00:31 · ≈ 10:00 AM

Chair Kapsa, members of the board. Administrative item number 13 was previously read into the record but as a reminder community this item is from the Community Services Department it is to consider recommendations regarding an ordinance to amend County Code chapter 46A inclusionary housing and this is a second reading which was previously mistakenly added to the March 11th agenda but re-added to today's agendas as previously noted

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:00:55 · ≈ 10:00 AM

okay

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:00:56 · ≈ 10:00 AM

staff recommendation

Roll-call vote Passed 3–1 motion and second we'll take a roll call · 1 under review
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We have a motion and second we'll take a roll call vote when you're ready, Madam Chair. Supervisor Hartman? Aye. Supervisor Nelson? No. Supervisor Lavinino? Aye Supervisor Lee? Aye And Chair Kaps? Aye
CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:01:18 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Motion passes 4-1

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:01:21 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Okay we have concluded the administrative agenda and now we move to general public comment which is a time for anyone in the public who wishes to speak on items that are not on our agenda. Madam Clerk do we have requests?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:01:40 · ≈ 10:01 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board, we have three requests to speak from the public on general public comment today. We are going to remain here in Santa Barbara and begin with Diana Sandoval to be followed by Marcia Wertz. Diana?

CommentDiana SandovalProposedself-stated1:02:27 · ≈ 10:02 AM

Good morning, Supervisors. My name is Diana Sandoval and this is my 11th time before this board addressing the unethical practices of planning and development in the County Executive Office. Day 18, $4,800 of retaliatory fines for protecting my constitutional property rights. Let me provide some background. My ultra-wealthy neighbor was allowed to construct a commercial bridge and tertiary road abandoned since at least 2006 on failed developments within an environmentally sensitive habitat, a residential zone in a high flood zone area despite prior litigation over its hazardous conditions all without permits or a site visit.

After the fact, the building official issued an unlawful same-day permit despite knowing that the bridge encroached on my private property. This constitutes an illegal taking of my land by the county. Even though they took my land, they cannot use it because I have a lawful offense. Yet now, the county is colluding and retaliating in my opinion by imposing retaliatory enforcement action against my lawful offense.

Planning and Development refuses to acknowledge that CZO 35115 mandates defense for screening a non-residential parking area from a residential area. Despite multiple requests, Planning Director Lisa Plowman has been unwilling to provide a legal basis for why this rightful ordinance does not apply. To illustrate Planning and Development's further retaliatory actions, Planning Director Lisa Plowman acknowledged and approved of my fence since 2023. 90% of the homes along the creek have similar fencing and the fence was installed years before I purchased my property.

Deputy Director Erin Briggs and Inspector Paul Hanna shifted the classification of my fence to a gate in the retaliatory notice violation. In my opinion, these inconsistencies suggest collusion and corruption within the department indicating an effort to finish what they started with the illegal bridge. By mischaracterizing my lawful fence as a gate, the county appears to be laying the groundwork to remove it and force me to get a permit for a gate.

and ultimately allow a commercial road across my property. Additionally, I have formally requested a full state of enforcement including the suspension of the alleged violation and any associated fines until the litigation finish in accordance with the county executive's office position That litigation needs to play out. My request remains unanswered despite 12 formal requests.

The county's goal is clear, in my opinion. They are forcing a commercial road into my residential property without legal authority to benefit an ultra wealthy property owner. Planning and Development, the County Executive Office and even County Council have gone unchecked costing taxpayers thousands of dollars in litigation. Supervisor Capps, Lee, Nelson, Lavagnino, Hartman, the taxpayers and I deserve better. Do your job!

Thank you. I'll see you at the next meeting.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:05:21 · ≈ 10:05 AM

We will now go to Marcia Wirtz to be followed by Gail Osharenko who is our final speaker. Marcia?

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CommentMarcia WirtzProposed1:05:32 · ≈ 10:05 AM

Good morning, Marcia Wirtz I'm a Santa Barbara County resident how's everyone doing today good nice to see all of you. I just wanted to bring to the awareness of the county and just for the purposes of the public record that since February on the clean air bus the The Santa Barbara County Clean Air Express buses, there's flyers that are posted that read due to maintenance the tap and ride quote-unquote credit and debit card readers are out of service.

So passes cash or trip tickets required beginning Friday February 14th There was also an indication that it would be a temporary interruption to that particular service. And as of today, effective today or as of today March 18th 2025, that service is still inactive for riders. Now the one thing to note with that is that that thereby forces anyone that doesn't already have a ticket or a monthly pass to pay cash and The thing with cash is the cash fare is $1 more than the debit or credit card fare. So it's essentially forcing the writers to come up with an extra dollar just for their one trip, which you know where we know which $1 may not be, That much to everyone, but to some people one dollar can make all the difference or two dollars on their round trip for the day.

So I just wanted to just put that on the public record hopefully that will get resolved soon we'd love to see that service back available to all the passengers that use that service Additionally, it would be great if the buses were to run on the weekends, perhaps Saturdays because not all people work a Monday through Friday professional job for example. So there's that and then also I just wanted to request of the county that the County of Santa Barbara draft and implement a resolution to ban all SAI programs, all weather modification programs from being deployed over the populations, over the environment of Santa Barbara County, over the waters of Santa Barbara County.

And then that's what I'd like you to consider it. Thank you so much have a nice day bye.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:08:00 · ≈ 10:08 AM

I just had a question. Was this on one bus or it's on all the

CommentMarcia WirtzProposed1:08:07 · ≈ 10:08 AM

buses? I personally ride multiple buses, different drivers so I've seen it on those buses but I can't speak for every other bus.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:08:19 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Well good for you and we'll notify SB CAG about

CommentMarcia WirtzProposed1:08:22 · ≈ 10:08 AM

that.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:08:28 · ≈ 10:08 AM

We will now go to our final speaker, Gail Osharenko.

CommentGail OsharenkoProposed1:08:31 · ≈ 10:08 AM

Gail? Good morning Chair Kaps, members of the board. I think you all know me. Our League of Women Voters and Clue Group working on criminal justice has been talking with you, I'm sure you're all aware of the sort of mind-blowing new cost figures for adding any kind of a addition to the North Branch Jail or at least adding one housing unit which suddenly became a real problem Thank you.

to tell you where we're thinking. We're thinking a lot about the need to create a task force that doesn't just piecemeal say how are we going to reduce the numbers in the jail, but that pulls everybody together maybe including the courts who charge too much bail not complying with the law And behavioral wellness and all the agencies that could help us really beef up the mental health services and facilities that we have to have in order not to spend a huge amount over building a structure Probably doesn't really need to be built Built out more in order to reduce the number who are in the jail And I don't know exactly what that number is. I'm thinking 300 would give us some flexibility but That I just wanted to share with you kind of Where we're thinking as we're kind of staggered by the cost figures that are coming in, as I'm sure you all are too.

Thank you

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:10:38 · ≈ 10:10 AM

And that concludes general public comment for today

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:10:42 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Okay, thank you to our members of the public for speaking and we'll move on to our departmental item number one

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:10:54 · ≈ 10:10 AM

Chair Caps and members of the board, departmental item number one is from the Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an extra help services in retirement waiver for the treasurer tax collector's office.

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:11:12 · ≈ 10:11 AM

Chair Capps, members of the board this waiver is something I usually don't do is come back with extra help employees after they've just retired but this is a unique situation Victoria Highland is a long-term employee in our office, and her responsibilities include the bank reconciliations. And so that's based upon FIN right now. It'd be very difficult for us to train someone during this interim period before Workday has been implemented. So we didn't think we'd be getting to this point. We thought Workday would have been implemented already but because it hasn't, we're in this situation.

We're hoping that it goes live in August or estimating September 30th of a six-month period for this.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:11:58 · ≈ 10:11 AM

Thanks, Mr. Hagen for that explanation. Does anyone have any comments or questions? Mr. Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:12:04 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Thank you Chair Kapsch. I'm usually the skeptic on these. That's perfect explanation and the perfect reason to do this so I would support your request. Is there a

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:12:15 · ≈ 10:12 AM

motion?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:12:17 · ≈ 10:12 AM

If there are no other comments, I'll make a motion to accept staff recommendation A3C.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:12:23 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:12:23 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Okay we have a motion and a second I'm sorry do we have public comment on this item?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:12:31 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Chair Kaps, members of the board. I did just want to note for the record that we had no request to speak and my apologies I did miss the motion in the second so if you can please take those again.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:12:40 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Sure I should have noticed you

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:12:41 · ≈ 10:12 AM

were. Motion was from Nelson A3C staff recommendations.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:12:47 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Second Harkman.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:12:49 · ≈ 10:12 AM

Fabulous thank you okay all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries We are ahead of schedule. We will move on to department item number two.

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:13:06 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Chair Kaps and members of the board, departmental item number two is from the Treasurer Tax Collector Public Administrator. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Dimitar Yazhazev appeal of the Treasurer Tax Collectors transient occupancy tax TOT audit final determination.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:13:26 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Mr. Hagan, when you're ready. Good.

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:13:28 · ≈ 10:13 AM

Okay. Thank you Chair Kaps. So the item before you today is a TOT appeal. The process first gets appealed to me just upon audit and so I've heard the case already and made my final determination. The applicant is now appealing it to you and Leanne Haggerty who will Walk you through the presentation and the process, and what it is today that we're doing. And then the applicant is here too I believe.

Yes, so Leigh Ann take it from here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:14:07 · ≈ 10:14 AM

First we have an overview of the Santa Barbara County transient occupancy tax, which is also TOT ordinance. So every hotel, motel and short-term rental operator in the unincorporated areas of the county of Santa Barbara is required to collect TOT from transients who stay for a period of 30 consecutive days or less. Operators are required to register their short-term rentals with the county tax collector within 30 days of beginning their business.

If any operator fails to collect and remit the tax to the tax collector, then the tax collector is to gather facts and information that he is able to obtain in order to determine and assess the tax interest and penalties on the operator. So the overview of the Santa Barbara South Coast Tourism Business Improvement District, also called TBID plan. So lodging business owners within a TBID pay an assessment and those funds provide services that increase demand for room night sales.

This assessment is levied upon in a direct obligation of the short term rental operator The assessment along with the TOT is required to be remitted to the Treasurer Tax Collector on a monthly basis. So, the overview of that Treasurer Tax Collector TOT ordinance enforcement The tax collector's website has extensive information on TOT collection requirements.

Tax collector conducts TOT audits primarily initiated by change of ownership status, public complaints and general non-reporting of short term rental activity. In this case, Dmitar Yazichev, his audit is due to non-reporting of short term rental activity. The unreported rental activity was noted on our TOT compliance software And a letter was sent to the operator with information on the TOT collection requirements for short-term rentals.

So the audit overview. So the audit covered a period of June 2021 through May 2024 we reviewed financial documents including bank statements and Airbnb rental reports. The final audit determination was that the amount due to the county is eight thousand thirty four dollars and 37 cents So the Audit Appeal Requests. Request number one, Mr. Yazicheff requests for a waiver of $1,717.82 assessed in penalties and interest.

Our response to this request is the tax collector's website and the rental website used by Mr. Yazicheff has clear instructions on who is responsible for the collection and remittance of TOT in Santa Barbara County. It's the operator's responsibility to do this. Request number two, Mr. Yazicheff requests a payment plan arrangement for the TOT T-BID amount due of $6,313.55. Our response to this request is that the County Code Chapter 32 Article 3 does not have a provision for the creation of a payment plan for outstanding payment obligations.

So finally, the staff recommends that your board take the following actions. I'm sorry, I'm behind. Here we go. The board actions. Conduct a hearing on the appeal of the final determination of TOT, TBID, penalties and interest assessed by the treasurer tax collector on Dmitar Yazichev. In the amount of $8,034.37. And uphold the treasurer tax collector's determination and deny the appeal request for the waiver of the penalties in interest totaling $1,117.82. And deny the appeal request for payment plan arrangement for the TOT TBIT amount totaling $6,316.55.

adopt the findings proposed by the Treasurer Tax Collectors as follows. The amount due from Dima Taryazhichev is $8,034.37 and this amount assessed against Dima Taryazhichev is immediately due and payable to the County of Santa Barbara Treasurer Tax Collector upon the service of notice by the Clerk of the Board. And finally, determine that the above actions involve governmental funding mechanisms and or fiscal activities and are not subject to CEQA. And that ends my presentation.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:19:12 · ≈ 10:19 AM

Thank you. Now we move to the appellate presentation five minutes.

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CommentDmitry AzajevProposedself-stated1:19:28 · ≈ 10:19 AM

Good morning Supervisors, my name is Dmitry Azajev. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today regarding my appeal request. I truly appreciate your time and consideration as I work toward resolving this matter in full compliance with the county requirements. I'm specifically requesting an appeal for the $1,717.82 assessed in penalties and interest under fining tool. This is my first compliance issue and I sincerely did not know that I was required to pay those taxes directly to the county.

I have always reported and paid the taxes on my rental income to both IRS and State of California, believing that I was fulfilling all taxes obligations. As soon as I become aware of this local requirement, I took immediate steps and ensure the full compliance. Additionally, I wanted to clarify that the local taxes were already included into my advertising rental price.

However, it appears that in this assessment taxes have been calculated on top of that. I would like to make a comment. I receive from the guest rather than being the factor into the total price I charge this discrepancy has Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors. I would like to ask for flexibility in the payment schedule. To support my appeal. Thank you again for your time and your consideration.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:22:09 · ≈ 10:22 AM

Thank you, sir Before we move to the board are there any requests to speak on this matter? Chair caps and members of the board We have no requests to speak from the public on this item Okay board questions or comments

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:22:26 · ≈ 10:22 AM

This is for staff so The appellant applied for the transient occupancy registration certificate. And who is that from? Is that from planning and development or is that from your office? And I guess the question is, do they get at that point instructions about what their financial obligations will be?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:22:55 · ≈ 10:22 AM

Yes, when we sent out the letter saying that we noticed that you were renting. That letter does refer them to our website to look at just to find what their obligation is under the TOT ordinance. The form that he filled out also had at the bottom where He states that he understands that he needs to collect the tax and he needs to remit it to the treasurer tax collector.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:23:20 · ≈ 10:23 AM

So it's very explicit that there is a tax and it says his responsibility. Have we do are there any conditions where we do accept payments over time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:23:35 · ≈ 10:23 AM

We don't set up an official payment plan if they decide to pay overtime We always apply the payments to the penalty and interest first, and then to the tax. So interest continues to begin to accrue at this... Interest will start to accrue after this hearing on

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:23:56 · ≈ 10:23 AM

the full amount. Right, so if one couldn't pay and had to do it in installments they can do that but they pay the interest and penalty. Thank

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:24:04 · ≈ 10:24 AM

you. Thank you. Supervisor Nelson?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:24:08 · ≈ 10:24 AM

Yes thank you along those lines. What's the interest rate that would be on it if it's deferred? And how often does that accrue, is that monthly?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 14Proposed1:24:27 · ≈ 10:24 AM

Yeah, it's .5% a month. .5%, so 6% a year. Yeah, 6%. Do

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:24:30 · ≈ 10:24 AM

we know, is this a lawful Thank you.

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CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction1:25:05 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Thank you. So there is no payment plan, but is it possible to delay the late payment? Instead of just

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:25:12 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Supervisor Lee through the chair. The reality is where the tax collector if someone wants to pay us even if it's not the full amount we're going to accept it and apply it so yes. But it's not a payment plan.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:25:29 · ≈ 10:25 AM

But that hasn't happened here

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:25:31 · ≈ 10:25 AM

That has not happened in this case here?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:25:33 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Yes.

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:25:33 · ≈ 10:25 AM

No, not until this is finalized.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:25:39 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Thank you

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.901:25:41 · ≈ 10:25 AM

Madam Chair. So it's a hard one so the question I guess I'm going to ask staff is obviously We do everything we can to try to make it as simple as possible and fair as possible. So what are the implications? I guess first, I have to ask council is there any wiggle room or leeway for us to make a decision about whether or not to defer or put in a payment plan or is it are we bound by the ordinance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed1:26:21 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Supervisor Labadino, you are bound by the terms of the ordinance. I mean that being said as a Georgia tax collector said there is a way under the ordinance. There's what? There is a way under the ordinance and some people do delay payment but then they get charged interest.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.901:26:38 · ≈ 10:26 AM

Okay so I mean this is one of those things where your heart wants to do one thing but we're also bound by the law and what I'm worried about and I believe you it's honest mistake I mean I get a lot of mail too and it's like Things happen. And what bothers me a little bit is that we've had like a rogue oil operator before that we actually took, but I think that was through a settlement. We took payment over time and those types of things.

I think that was through a legal settlement. And then I also look at like the IRS, and I've actually been in that situation before where they allow you to set up a 72-month payment plan. But interest is accruing at the same time and it feels like you're really not paying anything off because the interest is higher than basically with the payments you're making.

Sir, I feel for you my biggest concern is A, legally we were bound by the ordinance If we made an except if even if we were able to make an exception, I don't know how many taxpayers we have in the in the county but it does set a precedent where then people you know would begin just trying to set up payment plans and are the way we budget. It's you know we plan for these taxes to be here at a certain time so.

I looked at the place looks like a great place. I hope someday can come down and run it from me but You know, personally now I think we're just bound by the ordinance unfortunately and I wouldn't be able to support the appeal.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:28:16 · ≈ 10:28 AM

Yeah and I'll just add too, I share with the sympathy for your situation. I also just know broadly in this area of short-term rentals so many folks go into it not intending to pay the TOT. So I don't really like the signal that that sends if we're sort Making exceptions, etc. Because again I just think we need to do make sure that more short-term rental owners are abiding by the ordinance and doing the right thing making sure that the TOT and everything's legit so I'm also not able to support it.

Supervisor Lee?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction1:28:55 · ≈ 10:28 AM

This is a question for Harry. Is there something that we can do to make sure there is more transparent easier to understand for these type of owners that... So this won't happen again

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:29:05 · ≈ 10:29 AM

Supervisor Lee through the chair so is there something more we can do? So we do have several notifications that were doing and you know Airbnb, VRBO the online platforms They have notifications on there too, kind of say check with your local authority and make sure you're covering your bases on taxes. It's very confusing a lot of times. We met with Dimitar and I have no reason not to believe what he is saying, that he didn't understand. He would have done it if he knew. No question about it.

So we do as much hand-holding as we can but it can be kind of confusing for people. One platform does it one way, another one does it another way. And if you're trying to do one on your own, it's hard sometimes. So I see how people get in this situation but the ordinance for at least from our perspective is very cut and dry on what we can do and what we can't do.

It's like what Supervisor Lavadino said. You want to do it with your heart but your brain says you really can't with the ordinance the way it is. To answer your question about 600 short-term rentals When you're talking about the numbers of what we're doing right now. Yeah.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:30:31 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Other comments or questions. Supervisor Nelson?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:30:33 · ≈ 10:30 AM

Yes, thank you Chair Caps. I also believe in sincerity but I do think we are restricted by the code here. You know we're up here not just really interpreting the law with your on your appeal here and it seems pretty cut and dry for myself as well as my colleagues on that so again our sympathy with you but You know I think the 6% a year interest that you're going to be looking at is not that bad in this scheme of credit out there and especially if you can pay it off sooner. It seems like it's only half interest accrued, half percent interest every month so I think that you guys can set up essentially a payment plan to get that done over this period. So I think that should give you some consolation As you move forward there, I understand it's an honest mistake.

But at this point, I think the overall message that we need to send to all taxpayers is a level playing field and honestly not knowing or is not really an acceptable defense on this type of thing. I also do want to just have you double check on your permitting. I just Googled on our county's planning and development site. I don't see a permit for homestay on our sites, so you may want to just make sure that everything is legal on the planning and development side moving forward as well so that you're also not out of compliance on the zoning piece. And again this is what's really hard for the public. We've got the Treasurer Tax Collector, we've got Planning Development, we have the Building Code, we have Environmental Health. We have all these apartments and it's all siloed out, so it makes it very difficult for a business owner to try to come in and start a business in our county.

I've got a yogurt shop that was trying to do tenant improvements. They just finally got their permit after 15 months. So you know, it's not easy and that's something that this board has been talking about for a long time and that we hope to improve in the future because I think if we ever hope to have small businesses or businesses' health improve in our county, we have to somehow get that under some kind of level economic development or business help, or some type of ombudsman to help people through these processes so that they can know whether they have a permit or whether they're paying their taxes correctly. I think just the evidence that you paid your IRS taxes and your taxes to the state shows that you're an honest person and that you're trying to do it the right way.

And you have my respect and my condolences but I think ultimately, you know, I'm gonna have to support the staff recommendation here.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:32:53 · ≈ 10:32 AM

Okay. I think Treasurer Tax Collector Hagan had something more to add

CommentColonel Conran'sProposed · by introduction1:33:01 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Thanks, thank you Supervisor Hartman. So just to kind of follow up what you were talking about Bob is that planning and development in our office we work really closely together so we transfer information them on a monthly basis they transfer back to us so it's we've worked really closely on this so regardless if it's permitted or not if someone is doing that we still go forward with the collection part though.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:33:27 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Thank you for that Any other comments? Are we ready for a motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:33:33 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Supervisors, we could also have our PIO send something out as a reminder to everyone to address Supervisor Nelson's and your comments about making sure the public is aware so we can also have Kelsey do something like that in the future.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:33:46 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Good suggestion. Okay, Supervisor Lee.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:33:50 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Oh no I'm ready

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:33:51 · ≈ 10:33 AM

for a motion. Okay. Supervisor Nelson

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:33:53 · ≈ 10:33 AM

Yes, I'll go ahead and make the motion A through E. We're uphold the tax director's final determination and deny the appeal and adopt the findings as well as a CEQA determination so A through E.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:34:06 · ≈ 10:34 AM

And I will

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:34:09 · ≈ 10:34 AM

second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:34:10 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Okay we have a motion to second. Supervisor Hartman did you have a comment?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.921:34:16 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Is it A through E or A through B?

Roll-call vote Passed Moved by Bob Nelson · Seconded by Roy Lee
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Okay, we have a motion and a second. Motion by Supervisor Nelson, second by Supervisor Lee. All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries.
CommentDmitry AzajevProposedself-stated1:34:36 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:34:43 · ≈ 10:34 AM

We're going to take one more item before we have a short break and that's item number three which is Women's History Month Service Awards by our Commission for Women

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction1:34:54 · ≈ 10:34 AM

Chair Kaps and members of the board, departmental item number three is from the Community Services Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Commission for Women's 2025 Women's History Month Service Awards.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:35:16 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Welcome to our commission for women.

CommentAngie Swanson-KiriakouProposedself-stated1:35:18 · ≈ 10:35 AM

Good morning, Supervisor Capps and supervisors. I'm Angie Swanson-Kiriakou. I am co-chair of the Santa Barbara County Commission for Women and my fellow commissioners and I are delighted to be here this morning during Women's History Month to honor five dynamic women in Santa Barbara County with a 2025 Commission for Women Service Awards. The honorees are all shining examples of dedication, creativity, tenacity, intelligence Bravery and compassion in the professional and volunteer accomplishments they have all achieved. We are incredibly grateful for all that they do for our community. I would like to hand it over to my fellow co-chair if she'd like to say a few words.

CommentJoJo MurdochProposedself-stated1:36:04 · ≈ 10:36 AM

I'm super excited to be here with you guys today. I am JoJo Murdoch, and I'm also the co-chair of the Commission of Women, and Excited to see these women honored for all the hard work and dedication they put into our community. And to show them that we really appreciate who they are, and we appreciate you guys allowing us to do that today.

CommentAngie Swanson-KiriakouProposedself-stated1:36:34 · ≈ 10:36 AM

Thank you so we're having to switch a little bit. Our District 1 honoree and commissioners are in route, our District 2 honorees she is unable to be here today so I'd like to say a few words about her The District 2 commissioners are proud to honor Julissa Pena as their service award recipient for her exemplary leadership and advocacy for human rights, immigration defense and social justice.

Mrs. Pena serves as the executive director from the nonprofit Immigrant Legal Defense Center and provides free legal representation for individuals facing deportation proceedings. She also provides community education to help individuals understand and assert civil immigrant rights. Ms. Pena previously served with the organization Border Angels at the border of Mexico and USA in the United States to help protect immigrant rights and prevent deaths as an advocate for unaccompanied immigrant children facing deportation proceedings.

Ms. Pena also serves for the Center for Refugee and Gender Studies Immigration Advocates Network, and is a member of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network. Therefore we are proud to honor Julissa Pena for her dedication to the advocacy of human rights, immigration, and social justice in our community. So now I'm just looking for my third district honoree.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:38:04 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Sure. I know, I recognize we're a little early. Yeah! I don't know if folks are on their way. We can certainly, I don't know Madam Clerk if there's a recommendation if we want to table this and come back? I would hate for folks to miss it just because we happen to be running ahead of schedule. Yeah, do you have a sense of their timing?

CommentAngie Swanson-KiriakouProposedself-stated1:38:31 · ≈ 10:38 AM

So District 1 has just arrived. Excellent. And then we can pop to District 4 and 5 if needed. Why don't

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:38:38 · ≈ 10:38 AM

we just take a 15-minute break or come back a little after 11? Does that work for you all?

CommentAngie Swanson-KiriakouProposedself-stated1:38:43 · ≈ 10:38 AM

That works.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:38:43 · ≈ 10:38 AM

Thank you so much. Okay, alright thank you so much. Okay, welcome back. Let's start from the top on our Women's History Month Service Awards please. Thank

CommentAngie Swanson-KiriakouProposedself-stated1:39:07 · ≈ 10:39 AM

you so much Supervisors for your flexibility I'd like to now introduce my fellow commissioners for District 1 Commissioners Scully and Zick

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CommentJordi ScullyProposedself-stated1:39:19 · ≈ 10:39 AM

Good morning Chair Kaps and Board of Supervisors. Thank you for having us today, my name is Jordi Scully and this is Raquel Zick and we are First District Commissioners. Along with Supervisor Lee we have selected Erin Maker for our 2025 Service Award. We chose Erin for two reasons one because she works on climate issues and climate change is fundamentally a women's issue.

Women are Disproportionately affected by climate change and climate disasters. And she has worked very hard in the city of Carpinteria to work on climate change issues. The second reason is because she is kind of a quiet leader, but very effective. And we think that these types of leaders don't always get awards. She has worked her way up at the City of Carpinteria for 15 years She led in the creation of the city's first sustainability department and is a founding member of the Santa Barbara Climate Collaborative which the county is a part of.

And she engages underserved communities on climate related issues, and so for those reasons we...

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:40:30 · ≈ 10:40 AM

We'd like to present Erin with the Santa Barbara County Commission for Women Service Award for 2025

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 17Proposed1:40:45 · ≈ 10:40 AM

Thank you so much. I have a couple of things I'd like to say first, I'm really honored to receive this award. I am not always the quiet leader. I think the city manager will attest to that but I did not get here on my own. I'm really fortunate to have incredible strong women who continue to inspire me and support me in my career and in my personal life And I just want to recognize that with the sustainability movement here in Southern Santa Barbara County, I worked with former county employees and employees at other agencies. And I really want to recognize Jen Krieger, Ashley Watkins, Cindy Moore and Delelia Parenteau because I wouldn't have been able to do what I have accomplished at the city of Carpinteria without them working on the same initiatives simultaneously.

And there's a exhaustive list of other strong women in my life but I really want Recognize those people and also my mom because she really inspired me to be the person that I am today. Thank you so much

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed1:42:05 · ≈ 10:42 AM

This is behind you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:42:25 · ≈ 10:42 AM

Actually, Supervisor Lee has some comments.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction1:42:27 · ≈ 10:42 AM

Yes, having worked with Erin I can attest that she is an amazing person and it's great to see the Carp City family here supporting her. And Erin just thank you for what you

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.751:42:38 · ≈ 10:42 AM

do. Okay on to our next one. Chair Angie Swanson-Kiriakou

CommentAngie Swanson-KiriakouProposedself-stated1:42:57 · ≈ 10:42 AM

The 3rd District Commissioners are proud to honor Gina M. Gonzalez-Carbajal for the 3rd District Commission for Women's Service Award recipient, for her decades of leadership in our county. Gina is currently the Chief Program Officer at the Scholarship Foundation of Santa Barbara where she works to ensure that youth in our community are empowered to achieve their goals and dreams through access to postsecondary education.

Previously, Gina served as the Development Director for the Special Olympics Southern California Santa Barbara where she exhibited outstanding leadership, advocacy and dedication, fostered inclusivity, joy and life-changing opportunities through sports in Santa Barbara County. In addition, she was the former Executive Director of United Boys & Girls Club of Santa Barbara County Where she provided strategic vision to create safe and supportive spaces for children in our community.

She was also, she's had an extensive career. She was also the Director of Health Promotion at Santa Barbara Neighborhood Clinics where she advanced efforts in Santa Barbara to make healthcare accessible for children's families and seniors. And she began her professional career with Head Start and she rose through the ranks to support school readiness for preschool aged children and support their academic, social, emotional and physical development in safe and caring environments.

In addition to these incredible achievements, Gina has also volunteered for many community organizations such as the committee... She's a committee member for the First Ladies Luncheon Congressional Club member on Special Olympics. She's been a board member of MOXIE, Sarah House, Santa Barbara Women's Political Committee The Children's Creative Project and the Santa Barbara, she is a former Santa Barbara County Commission for Women Commissioner.

Each of these commitments highlight her dedication to enriching our community especially for the lives of women and children so again the third district is proud to honor Gina for her dedication to the well-being and livelihood of children youth families and women in Santa Barbara County

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CommentJennifer PetersonProposedself-stated1:45:22 · ≈ 10:45 AM

Say a few words.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 18Proposed1:45:25 · ≈ 10:45 AM

Hello. I would like to just thank everyone that came before me, that were mentors to me in the nonprofit sector. I've been with a nonprofit for about 38 years so I've had such wonderful mentors throughout my career and again I would be remissed in not recognizing my family. My family has been very supportive over the years. My son Michael, my daughter Natasha and I have she's family to us Lisa Valencia Sherritt. And then also my son's girlfriend Lolly. So thank you so much unfortunately my husband's flying back to the East Coast dropped him off at the airport but again I could not do it without all the support that I've had over the years. Thank you so much.

Oh, to mention thank you to the commission and to Joan for recognizing me. Thank you so much.

CommentSuzanne LevyProposedself-stated1:47:03 · ≈ 10:47 AM

Hello Board of Supervisors, thank you for honoring our honorees today. I am Suzanne Levy and this is JoJo Murdoch from the 4th District and we're really proud to honor Terri Lee Coleman. Terri has been very involved in our community for a long time she's served over 20 years as a board member for both the Boys & Girls Clubs and the San Maria Valley YMCA She's been in charge of things like the Day of Hope for Mission Cancer Center, co-chairs the Human Trafficking Awareness Forums with Santa Maria Rotary South, works with the Santa Maria Police Council, was on the All American City Committee, the Committee to Improve North County as well as many other things through her many years. She has been recognized many times for this most recently by the Santa Maria Valley Chamber of Commerce The San Maria Times, Assemblyman Katchajian, the Boys and Girls Club and the San Maria Police Department.

And we're really proud to add the County of Santa Barbara and the 4th District to our list. We'd like to honor Terry Lee Coleman.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 19Proposed1:48:19 · ≈ 10:48 AM

I would simply like to say thank you very much for this honor. It's greatly appreciated, but I also wanted to thank my husband Doug who is here with us today who supports me and inspires me and without him I couldn't do what I do. Thank you.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction1:49:05 · ≈ 10:49 AM

Chair Caps, if I could just have a moment just to personally thank Terry. Her and Doug are kind of the dynamic duo in Northern Santa Barbara County and have been for quite some time. And so as it was mentioned she's been celebrated by so many different organizations throughout the Valley. Sometimes you get maybe award fatigue As a community when somebody just keeps getting an award, but we don't feel that with Terri Lee.

Because it's yep, yep, yep she's done so many things and we're celebrating those things but also we're setting the bar high for future generations of leaders and women in our community to go okay someday you know not that Terri Lee is at the end of her career by any means because she'll outlast us all But if I continue to serve my community like Terry Lee has, maybe some days I'll be recognized this way. And so I think that's really also what's important about these types of award ceremonies is getting to see the fruits and the rewards on a personal level that the public sees you and appreciates the work that you're doing. You know, I think a lot of you all do this work not for the recognition by any means but it is nice every once in awhile.

So again thank you Terry Lee and thank you for all you women out there that mean so much to our community.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 20Proposed1:50:30 · ≈ 10:50 AM

Good morning Supervisors, Chair Kaps, Supervisors and especially Steve Lavinino who I work for. It is an honor to stand before you today and celebrate a woman who truly embodies the spirit of service vision dedication to women in our community back in 2021. Six women came together to write a grant for California Commissions on the Status of Women, better known as CCSWG. On a Zoom call back then we brainstormed from 8 o'clock at night till 2 in the morning and we strategized, discussed how we could strengthen better the Santa Barbara County Women's Commission These women were Marks, Fitzwilliams, Susan Peck, Anna Everett, Yvette Peralta, myself and the wonderful Allison Wells. We started with a wish list. We felt the commission could do better with things we needed to improve impact with this grant.

We're able to do this with getting marketing materials for each district such as tablecloth pull banners material to showcase awareness to support the Pass The Mic, which came from LBGTQIA students by Commissioner Peck creating commercials to promote the 50th anniversary of the commission. But in the midst of all that one vision stood out a vision that started with a few words from one woman. That woman had a vision, a passion for supporting women veterans in distress providing them with help that was desperately needed. She simply yet powerfully an idea The idea came on behalf of women veterans for Santa Barbara County that needed a safe and private space to connect, share their stories and heal.

This vision sparked an understanding of women now where for counseling that was done and began to take root That woman is Allison Wells that has already served on the Commission three years at that time. With her 25-year experience, particularly those who had experienced she had experienced helping women in trauma, Allison recognized the need for something that wasn't there and it was called She Raised Her Hand.

She reached out to Kathy Simas, a trusted connected person in the non-profit world to help open doors for the Santa Barbara County Veterans Collaborative and Allan Hancock College for their veterans program. Throughout these partnerships Allison's vision became a reality. A small initiative was born with Kathy, her and the Santa Barbara Veterans Collaborative. Today the initiative serves over 31 women throughout Santa Barbara County providing them a space to share their stories, seek solutions to support a private safe environment. This is why Allison is here today because she took an initiative to raise her hand as we were writing a grant and she made a real difference. Over the 30 years Allison has had a dedicated career helping women In vulnerable situations, including her valuable work at the North County Rape Crisis Center.

Her dedication is unmatched is why we're here. And it's my great privilege to make sure that we worked with Steve and honored her correctly. And Allison has been a force, and she is a force that you listen to through the rain, through thick and thin, and she doesn't miss a meeting. And I'm going to turn it over. I think Kathy is on Zoom right now to speak.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 21Proposed1:54:08 · ≈ 10:54 AM

Good morning chair caps and members of the board and members of the Commission for Women. As previously mentioned, you know March is women's history month and it's really a time to celebrate and reflect on the vital roles that women play in our communities. And what a wonderful occasion to recognize Allison Wales for her many commitments and contributions and truly unwavering commitments to our communities.

So I've worked and volunteered in the veteran landscape for many years, and I'm honored to be here today to shed some light on Allison's contributions to the veteran community. So you've already heard a little bit of this from Tracy but I'm going to share a little bit more about the one achievement in particular which is the She Raised Her Hand initiative. So through Allison's efforts The Santa Barbara County Commission for Women, in partnership with the Santa Barbara County Veterans Collaborative and Allan Hancock College introduced the She Raised Her Hand initiative.

And interestingly enough, the initiative was initially funded by a very small portion of a grant from the California Commission on the Status of Women and Girls to the County of Santa Barbara Commission for Women. This initiative recognizes the many remarkable women in our county who have served their country through the armed forces. So a little bit about the background. The current U.S. population, veteran population includes about 2 million women veterans and that number is growing rapidly so there is definitely a need.

The policies and programs to support veterans transition to civilian life often fall short in meeting the needs of women veterans. This initiative provides much needed opportunities to rekindle the bonds of sisterhood, camaraderie and connection. And information is provided to connect the women to their benefits and their resources. And through Allison's many connections and her diligent work, she made the launch of this initiative a reality.

So while this initiative aims to shine the light on the contributions and the value within the women veteran in Santa Barbara County today I really would like to shine the light on Allison's contributions to the initiative. So congratulations to you, Allison on this extraordinary recognition. And I'm proud to work alongside with alongside you on the initiative.

Thank you.

PresenterAnne McCartyfor the North County Rape Crisis and Child Protection CenterProposedself-stated1:57:03 · ≈ 10:57 AM

Thank you. Good morning. I'm Anne McCarty, executive director for the North County Rape Crisis and Child Protection Center. And i'm honored to be here to highlight the work of a remarkable advocate In mid-1994, I walked through the doors of the center hired to lead an already established volunteer program. That day a young woman who would come to define I'm sorry.

That day, I met a young woman who would come to define what selfless service truly means. She had recently completed volunteer training and was already working on the agency's 24-hour hotline. From the very beginning she was a strong advocate, someone who embodied hope, grace and an unwavering dedication. I knew then that she was in it for the long haul Due to her dedication, it was recognized quickly that she should be celebrated for her work and she was named the agency's Lompoc Volunteer of the Year in 1995.

Over the years I have listened to her dreams and ideas and watched as she turned them into a reality. She has been a champion for change and envisions a world, as we all do, where people are valued and abuse is non-existent. She has strengthened our agency, she has uplifted survivors and challenged us to think beyond the conventional. She has led, she has followed, she has trailblazed and yes, she's put out a few fires some of which I might add she actually started herself.

She's carried the pain of many lifted the spirits of thousands, cried with the suffering and spent more hours on the phone offering support than I can even begin to count. Her life's work over the last 31 years is nothing short of phenomenal. When the Santa Barbara County Commission for Women gig came up, I knew she would approach that work with professionalism and tenacity She set her own path with respect to the work and has been a voice to many in our community.

Her work on the She Raised Her Hand project is inspiring. Her desire to be an integral part in giving a space for women veterans to have their voices heard, to help them recognize their purpose and find an even stronger camaraderie among female veterans. To help reduce isolation and be better connected to the civilian community they lived and worked in has been something marvelous to watch.

I know she probably thinks I wasn't paying attention all along, but I have been and I've been oh so proud. It's impossible to fully capture her impact on paper, but I can tell you this. Every single day that I walk through the doors of our agency, I feel the power of what she has done I see the artwork from the support group she has led. I see the reminders of outreach that she has spearheaded and I feel the power of the grace that she has given many.

Today, I'm honored to stand beside this incredible woman. To celebrate her countless achievements, and most importantly to call her my friend. Please join me in honoring Alison Wales.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:01:31 · ≈ 11:01 AM

I knew there were some shenanigans going on. First of all, thank you to everyone for speaking and I just want to mention Kathy and Kate and Andrea from the She Raised Her Hand. Kathy is a workhorse and she's taught me a great deal and I love her dearly. In the end, no matter what I'm doing for the agency, for a client, for the Women's Commission, for the League of Women Voters.

I'm an advocate with a capital A. I like to teach and I like to help give voice too. So I thank you all for this opportunity to serve because in the end that's what we need to do for our community so and thank you for everything.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:02:15 · ≈ 11:02 AM

Thank you. I just I just wanted to say that I think it's kind of ironic that Allison put forward an initiative. It was trying to draw people out, stay out of the limelight because we found out through stand down that a lot of women didn't even identify themselves as veterans even though they had served and so I thought it was kind of ironic that trying to drag Allison into the spotlight because she does like to do everything behind the scenes and not take any credit for anything You've just done amazing work.

And I also want to thank Kathy Simas for all the work that she's done and all of our honorees today. This is this is amazing. This is what happens when we get out of the way, and what I try to do at the Commission for Women is get out of the way and let the women do the work. So you've just been outstanding really appreciate all the work you've done Allison.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 22Proposed2:03:11 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Thank you so much.

PresenterAnne McCartyfor the North County Rape Crisis and Child Protection CenterProposedself-stated2:03:26 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Yeah.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:03:49 · ≈ 11:03 AM

Yeah, thanks to all of our honorees today. I love this presentation every year because our commissioners are leaders in their own right. They're our eyes and ears and always interesting and rewarding to see who they pick and who they choose to shine the light on so thank you so much for the care and congratulations to everybody. Okay, thank you! We'll see you soon.

And now

we will move on to item number four, which is our... Oh I'm sorry. We do need a motion on that. It wasn't just listening of a fun celebration. We'd actually need to take a motion please. Supervisor Nelson?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:04:39 · ≈ 11:04 AM

Yes thank you Chair Caps. I'll go ahead and make the motion to receive and file and that's not not a project under CEQA so I'll take staff recommendation here.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:04:50 · ≈ 11:04 AM

And I will second. Okay, thanks Supervisor Hartman we have a motion and a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries and now

we will move on to item number four.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction2:05:03 · ≈ 11:05 AM

Chair Kaps and members of the board departmental item number four is from the General Services Department and Community Services Department it is hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation annual report for 2023 and this is in the first district.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:05:20 · ≈ 11:05 AM

Chair Kaps, members of the board. Just a brief introductory remarks and then we'll invite the Chief Executive Officer of the Foundation to present some information on behalf of the Board and the Foundation. As indicated in the Board letter, the Foundation does submit an annual report providing information regarding its financial situation as well as activities Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors.

I'd like to invite Rick Bowler, the Chief Executive Officer

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PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:06:47 · ≈ 11:06 AM

Thank you, good morning. Chair Caps and Supervisors of the Board my name is Rick Bowler I'm the CEO of the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morning. I want to start by saying we appreciate having the opportunity to have this conversation together highlighting and celebrating the partnership between the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation in the County of Santa Barbara We're going to take a few minutes to highlight the areas within our annual report. As Mr. Armas has pointed out, each year the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation submits an annual report as part of our lease arrangement with the County of Santa Barbara.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:07:28 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Mr. Bowler, pardon the interruption but I want to make sure everyone can hear you. You can raise the podium up a little bit. There's a button on the side.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:07:35 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Wow!

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:07:36 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Then we can hear you a little bit better.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:07:38 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Better? There

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:07:39 · ≈ 11:07 AM

you go.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:07:39 · ≈ 11:07 AM

Thank you. Is that better? Thank you for that. I appreciate it. So our annual report, it highlights several different areas including our organizational structure, our financial health, facilities upkeep, community engagement and initiatives impact. The annual report you see before you this year applies to our most recent audited calendar year in this case which is 2023 As part of your materials today, the annual and outreach impact reports are both included. And I hope you've had the opportunity to familiarize yourself with all the ways that the Santa Barbara Bull Foundation impacts our County of Santa Barbara.

One of the questions that we have heard from you all and we would like to address just starting out today is how are concerts booked? Just very briefly, and how tickets prices are set at the Santa Barbara Bowl. We thought it'd be helpful to highlight all those involved in this process and each of their roles. So what we have is we really have five entities that are involved in booking a show and putting on a performance of the Santa Barbara Bowl. The first three are the artist, manager and agent. They represent the artist that decides to go out on tour, creates concert content around playing live, the manager that builds the touring resources that takes the artists out on the road And then they ultimately set a ticket price to support those touring resources.

And then the agent who represents the artist and the manager in routing the tour, so if you're going out on a West Coast tour which cities you'll be going to and how you get that accomplished in the most financially sensible way. They also set the guarantee what the artist gets paid ultimately and that all relates to the cost of the tour and all of the other items mentioned. Locally, there's a promoter. In our case that promoter is Golden Voice. We've worked with Golden Voice for several years and had a successful relationship presenting many shows.

They purchased that show from the agent and they are the ones that set the ticket prices. They sell the tickets based on the artist target and target ticket price and guarantee. And so that's how we get to that point of how much the ticket cost. In the case of the promoter, they're the ones that take all the risk. If a show does well, they see a small percentage of the ticket price as a reward. If it does poorly, they lose money and there's that risk.

As far as the venue goes, that's us, the Santa Barbara Bowl. We manage the on-site needs for each and every performance, show days, non-show days. The crowd experience importantly, the safety and security management of everybody attending performances and all the facilities, the parking, the restrooms, the food and beverage and everything in between. We do not see any of the ticket monies and that's important to point out but we make money in other ways through things like food and beverage.

So moving on, to kinda highlight the three areas that the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation focuses on related to impact outcomes and reach within the county. I'd like to just read this statement briefly. Through a balanced blend of venue upgrades to broaden access to live experiences, county-wide outreach to inspire the next generation and thoughtful greening to protect the space and steward the land, the Santa Barbara Bowl is a beacon of excellence for performing arts and community engagement.

Those areas really guide everything that we do. And in greater detail, to highlight on each of those areas, we have the venue. Through the venue, The Bowl enhances the facilities, that's the guest experience, attracting top talent artists that wouldn't normally come to play in our small community, supporting the local economy through our shows and strengthening community ties.

These all lead up to cementing the venue's position as one of the greatest in America. Through outreach, the Bowl invests in countywide arts education. Grant cycles are spring and fall grant cycles. Instrument fund which replaces and repairs instruments in the community. Community ticket subsidy which subsidizes tickets to both shows at the Santa Barbara Bowl and other venues within the county. And then shared resources with the organizations that we support.

Our outreach program inspires future audiences and artists. Through our greening program the bowl provides a sustainable future. Our solar generation program which is supported by a major three phase solar project that we recently completed and funded through a foundation to the tune of 3 quarters of a million dollars produces 75% of all the energy that the Santa Barbara Bowl produces in any given year.

We have a world leading reuse program So breaking down and looking at some of the highlights within our venue outcomes within the county. Those fall within improvements. Our improvements in 2023 came in the form of $195,000 worth of leasehold improvements. Of that 635 seats were replaced in our preferred section as you'll find in a future annual report we just replaced close to 1,000 this year there's a lot of seats in the Santa Barbara Bowl to replace and we also focused in 2023 just over 23% of our concert expenses that were committed to security and safety We have over an average of just over 300 employees that support each and every performance. That's volunteers and employees, and that breaks down roughly to 82 average volunteers per show, 101 average bowl employees for show, and then 148 average contracted employees per show.

80% of our concessions vendors come from Santa Barbara County and another event that we produce regularly is our neighbor day. We're proud of our neighbor day It is a really a focus on our local neighbors and everything starts within our community sounding surrounding the bowl And we could not do what we do without the support from that group We've developed neighbor day and this year just over a thousand households will be invited to attend the Bowl Participate in the tour and have the opportunity to learn more about what we do and get to meet us all on site so they can put the names to the faces.

County outcomes and highlights around outreach, each year the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation funds youth performing arts within the community. In 2023 support totaled $700,000 which includes $643,000 in outreach funding countywide In addition to that, $56,750 went to the County Office of Arts and Culture bringing our total contribution to the Arts Impact Grant Fund to just under $600,000 since its inception.

Through our outreach support 104 countywide performing arts organizations and schools and 20,706 students were served in 2023. This grant funding includes our spring and fall grant cycles, 901 tickets underwritten to events at the Santa Barbara Bowl and other venues throughout the county through our CTS program. And 588 instruments, supplies, and music equipment through our instrument fund.

Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation is committed to supporting youth performing arts throughout the county and has steadily increased that support annually since 2014. County outcomes and highlights around greening. As part of the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation's Greening Programs in 2023, I mentioned previously we produced just under 200,000 kilowatt hours of solar energy or 75% of the total energy consumed for 2023 at the Santa Barbara Bowl. 93,000 single-use plastic cups were eliminated through our souvenir pint and our cup programs. 28% of our food and beverage is also produced in the county, in Santa Barbara County 3,016 bikes were validated through our free bike valet program and all waste for events is hand-sorted at each event to ensure the highest percentage of landfill diversion.

In 2023 we were able to identify that performance day attendees came from 59% of our performance day attendees And attended the, let me start again. 2023 we learned that 59% of the patrons that attended a bowl performance come from within the county of Santa Barbara. We're also able to chart these visitors and find that they enjoy local businesses before both before and after concerts. And that we've also found that 80% of all patrons come within a 60 mile radius of the Santa Barbara Bowl.

And spring and fall grant cycle funding in 2023, North County Grant Funding. Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation Outreach Program provides funding throughout the county of Santa Barbara. In 2023, 25% of the organizations that receive funding through our spring and fall grant cycles were in North County. Once again, Santa Barbara Bowl outreach is committed to supporting countywide arts education.

So I want to take a moment to thank you all on behalf of the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation for giving us the opportunity to share our progress with you all. We're grateful for the support and the commitment from the county and you all, the Board of Supervisors that has allowed us the opportunity to grow our foundation's impact within the community in so many meaningful ways over the past few decades.

Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:17:29 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Thank you Mr. Ball. Odd. My microphone just got a little loud. Okay anyway word questions or comments on that report? Yes, Supervisor

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction2:17:40 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Lee. Just a comment, Rick I just want to thank you and to the whole board for all the work that you have done in our community and the board is such a gem especially in the first district so thank you. Thank you for that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:17:54 · ≈ 11:17 AM

And Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.922:17:56 · ≈ 11:17 AM

Well I just wanted to echo it is a premier venue and it really It really exemplifies something about Santa Barbara and you've made it such an amazing physical area. I mean, it feels almost like sacred space to go in there And the volunteers and the neighbors need to be commended, and everybody on the board. So you and all the people who've contributed it's really an extraordinary place and what you bring for all of us to enjoy is tremendous.

I did have one question and that was on one of your slides. Does the bowl charge rent for this venue or how does that work? When when an act comes, how do you negotiate the cost for the venue itself?

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:18:52 · ≈ 11:18 AM

So as you may be familiar with the promotion services agreement that is required as part of the lease with the County of Santa Barbara and As such we have an agreement with Golden Voice that I mentioned previously And that agreement allows for us to glean income from, as I mentioned the areas like food and beverage or our ticketing programs and things like that. We don't charge specifically a rent on performances. I should be clear if we rent out the facility for a single day we might charge rent for that sort of one-off situation but not rents to the artist.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.922:19:27 · ≈ 11:19 AM

Is that typical? I'm just curious is that how other theaters and venues operate that they don't charge for the facility itself?

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:19:34 · ≈ 11:19 AM

I think each deal within every single venue that's out there is tailored specific to that venue. Because we have a situation where our anchor tenant promotes 35 shows a year, we have a longer arrangement that allows for us to kind of set the groundwork around income and revenue generated with the deal.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.922:19:55 · ≈ 11:19 AM

And just curious, so Golden Voice, do you have a multiyear contract with them?

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:20:01 · ≈ 11:20 AM

We do. The agreement we're currently in is a 10-year agreement

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:20:06 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Thank you.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:20:06 · ≈ 11:20 AM

For sure.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:20:08 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Supervisor Nielsen?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:20:09 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Yes, thank you Chair Kaps. So to follow along on the revenue side just so we understand a little bit better I was looking at the audited financial statements and show revenue so what's so if you're not getting compensated what is that revenue that you are receiving because I see concessions is another line

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:20:27 · ≈ 11:20 AM

Right, so it's made up of several different areas. Show revenue comes in the form of reimbursed expenses for things like emergency services. We have a building flat essentially that goes towards paying things like ushers and all those type of items. There is also concessions as you mentioned. There's several items on that list that make up

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:20:51 · ≈ 11:20 AM

income. Contract revenue, would that be what Golden Voice pays the bowl?

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:20:56 · ≈ 11:20 AM

They pay

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:20:57 · ≈ 11:20 AM

the Bowl a million dollars there. That's what correct voice is paying for that idea to be a promoter exactly gotcha OK. Alright well thank you for the clarification I just want to make sure understood that you know I acknowledge what a great asset the bowl is and but I've been one of those that's voiced that it seems like It is kind of a South County asset, and I've always talked about just trying to find ways to utilize your assets countywide. And you know, I've talked about in the past maybe trying to find a way to use the bowl asset to help fund some of our arts foundation work that we do in the county that we usually have to go and I'm going If you know a nonprofit like yourself wanted to eventually own the facility, maybe that even could be a discussion that we'd have here instead of a long-term lease so that we could maybe deploy those assets elsewhere in the county and making sure that we could have the same type of opportunity that you guys have had in Santa Barbara and other places that don't have that same leg up.

By having the county donate significant property so that you could have those types of opportunities in other places. So just floating that out there, cuz it's one time they were all five together not that we need to go ahead and have a conversation about that but those are ideas I've been long talking about is trying to better utilize your assets for equitable services throughout the county and I think that the bowl was one of them and I'm always open to creative discussions on how to do that. Thank you.

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PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:22:38 · ≈ 11:22 AM

Thank you. I think we're certainly open to having any conversations around any of these interesting topics. We, our version of it at the Bull Foundation having renovated and restored the facility in the first two decades and raising 40 plus million dollars and putting it back in was then transitioning And then listening to the need in North County specifically and starting to grow that support over time, as well as areas like carpentry and otherwise.

But absolutely.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:23:19 · ≈ 11:23 AM

Thank you I yeah, I was just really glad to get this presentations. I didn't know anything even about the musical instrument program or anything so this is this is really cool and kind of peeling back the curtain a little bit and seeing how the whole promoter I've never figured out how that works but it's always wondering who loses money if you don't sell seats. Well, I'm trying to enjoy concert. I'm trying to figure out whether today was a good day or not But I just wanted to comment about what a special experience it is that you guys put on.

From the grounds, to the volunteers that are actually helpful. You know, you go to a lot of different events and you're wondering like why are you volunteering here for? You know, you're in a bad mood or whatever but everybody there's happy. Everybody's in good spirits. The things that you're doing with eliminating waste Very commendable. I always have just a great time there, it's a safe space and again the things that you're doing Like the neighborhood, the neighbor day that's just genius. I mean you know if you're going to have a party in your house it's always a good idea to invite your neighbors over because that way they're not complaining about the noise but just kudos. I think you guys are doing a bang up job.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:24:34 · ≈ 11:24 AM

Thank you we appreciate that very much and I'll just add along the line of the volunteers and employees We do an annual orientation every year for all the employees coming back. And it's this great moment when everybody is excited to return and we're focusing on that culture, and I think we had over 350 volunteers and employees there on Saturday morning that were raring to go so thank you for that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:24:57 · ≈ 11:24 AM

One last question. So this is just a personal who picture how do you figure out the lineup? Is that all promoter?

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:25:03 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Yeah.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:25:05 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Yes,

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:25:05 · ≈ 11:25 AM

but I mean I'll expand on that so that is that is why we're in an agreement with Golden Voice because that's what they do. But we also have a longtime talent buyer that we've worked with for several decades now he understands what works in this market, we communicate on shows and you know if there's something out of the ordinary I mean the bolt has It's not really going to work for our community or venue.

And that happens rarely just because we have that relationship but it is driven very much by what's out on tour, what's popular. We try to be as diverse as possible with all kinds of...

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:25:39 · ≈ 11:25 AM

You do a great job of that.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:25:40 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Thank

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:25:40 · ≈ 11:25 AM

you. But I will say I never feel older than when I'm looking through your lineup and I don't know any of these groups.

PresenterRick Bowler I'mSanta Barbara Bowl Foundation it's nice to see you all this morningProposedself-stated2:25:49 · ≈ 11:25 AM

Thanks. Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:25:52 · ≈ 11:25 AM

I'll join in the chorus of love for the bowl, especially the programs you do. I've experienced with kids for free and to see all those kids, especially the ones that they walk from Franklin up just so thank you for that. And I know you have plans to keep that going. I had maybe this is a question more for staff or potentially my colleagues. Just I'm just curious about the ad hoc committee Is it, are there reports or just what's the structure? What's the intention behind the ad hoc committee? Just purely out of curiosity because we're talking about this today. I don't know if that's something for Director Armas or for those of you that serve on the committee. Are there asks between you all like is it a formal thing? Is there a report? Is what's-

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:26:37 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Is it okay if I lower this? Yeah

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:26:38 · ≈ 11:26 AM

you can.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 12Proposed2:26:42 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Let me defer to Supervisor Hartman. She's been leading this committee in the change of composition, and then I'll be happy to embellish on that if I may.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.922:26:54 · ≈ 11:26 AM

Okay. Well, the ad hoc committee has been first and foremost learning about the bowl and how it operates. It started with Supervisor Williams and I and now Supervisor Lee has taken it up. And in addition to learning about how the bowl functions we're looking at what kinds of artistic endeavors in our county are funded by the bowl, both through their program which is primarily musical and our program which the county program which spans the whole gamut. And we're trying to figure out ways where we might expand the pool for both of those.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:27:39 · ≈ 11:27 AM

Okay and it's just an ongoing committee there's no.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.922:27:42 · ≈ 11:27 AM

It is an ad hoc committee and they do legally can't go on forever, there's not a clear time we kind of use a six-month benchmark but so we may have to be reconstituted in some way at some point or maybe we'll finish.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:28:02 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Thank you. Okay, any requests to speak from the public on the Santa Barbara Bowl?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction2:28:10 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Chair Kaps and members of the board we do have three requests to speak from the public on this item. We are going to Zoom with Jennifer Peterson to be followed by Karen Dutton. My apologies. Oh, in person? Great! We will go to Jennifer to be followed by Karen Dutton. Thank you.

CommentJennifer PetersonProposedself-stated2:28:34 · ≈ 11:28 AM

Hi, my name is Jennifer Peterson and I teach choral music and CTE theater at Cabrillo High School in Lompoc. This is my 29th year of teaching and I am a very proud graduate of Cabrillo High School. Go Conks! I'm so grateful to be here today to speak on behalf of the Santa Barbara Bowl and what they are doing for performing arts in Santa Barbara County. In the past four years, the Santa Barbara Bowl has donated over $35,000 Sorry, to my choir and theater program alone.

$35,000 that is program changing money. How many bake sales, car washes, popcorn sales would we have to do to raise a fraction of that kind of money? So what has the Bull invested in four musicals, two plays, a portable sound system, a large iPad, a trip to perform with the Cal Poly slow choirs, two trips to the Vantage's Theater in Hollywood to see Broadway musicals Hamilton and The Wiz if you're curious which ones I have also received numerous SBCEO Performing Arts grants that are sponsored by the Bowl. They're investment in all of Santa Barbara County, they are just as committed to North County arts as they are to Santa Barbara City and South County.

I am proud to be among the honored teachers in Santa Barbara County that have been named the Santa Barbara Bulls Performing Arts Teacher of the Year, or PATOY for short. This is an award that is given through Santa Barbara County Office of Ed and sponsored by the bull. I'm very proud to brag that four of the ten PATOY's have been from our two Lompoc area high schools.

Lindsay Cook, where'd she go? Did she move on me? Lindsay Cook, now I lost my place. The Bulls Outreach Program Manager started her position the year I became Powdoy. I didn't know what getting the crown for the year looked like. I sent her monthly reports on what my kids were doing sending her way more information than she probably needed but we had a great time getting to know each other over the years Rick, Lindsay and everyone I have ever encountered at the Bowl has been beyond generous. They even sponsored Lumpook Unified VAPA teachers for a professional development day. Not only did they give us a tour but they provided the lunch and gave us a space to be together.

My time as Performing Arts Teacher of the Year was truly special. Not many teachers get to be filmed for an awards package, get showered with gift baskets or walk a red carpet during their tenure. It was a truly special experience to get to celebrate the honor with my family friends and students. My students feel connected to the Santa Barbara Bowl. They feel special...

And recognize that in organization like the bowl is investing in their performing arts life. I am truly amazed when I attend a grant reception at just how many grants are being given out to local performing arts groups. Sorry, COVID was especially hard on school performing arts programs and now we are seeing local programs on the chopping block. The work that the Santa Barbara Bowl is doing for our county is vitally important and inspirational.

The physical structure of the Santa Barbara Bowl is a treasure for the Central Coast, but the people who maintain, create and envision what the Santa Barbara Bowl is are the true treasures in Santa Barbara County. Thank you.

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction2:32:05 · ≈ 11:32 AM

We will now go to Karen Denton then we will go to Zoom with David Rojas.

CommentKaren DentonProposedself-stated2:32:09 · ≈ 11:32 AM

Let's see, almost good afternoon. My name is Karen Denton and I'm the proud music teacher at Adams Elementary School. I've had the joy of teaching music in the Santa Barbara Unified School District for the past 37 years. Today, I'm excited to share the incredible impact the Santa Barbara Bowl Outreach Grants have had on my programs and I better put on my glasses so I can actually read what I'm trying to say.

I've been fortunate to receive instrument fund grants, flash grants and most recently fall and spring cycle grants which have helped sustain and grow my music mentors program for the past three years. Now picture this a classroom filled with 25 to 30 students most of whom have never held an instrument before some are trying to learn how to play the flute others the clarinet and others the saxophone all at the same time in the same class As a trained music educator, I can guide them but with only one class per week it's a challenge to give each student the attention they need to thrive.

That's when I had a what if moment? What if I could bring in experienced musicians from our community to mentor my fifth and sixth graders? Thanks to the Santa Barbara Bowl Fall and Spring Cycle Grants, that idea became a reality. The Music Mentors Program pairs students with skilled passionate musicians who provide one-on-one coaching. These mentors help with instrument technique, rhythm and tone but more importantly they help build confidence in my students.

I've seen students who started the year hesitant and unsure and unsure, transform into proud motivated musicians. Their eyes light up when they finally master a tricky passage or play a song all the way through. That sense of accomplishment doesn't stop in the music room it follows them into their classrooms, their friendships and their lives. This program goes beyond teaching music, it builds community.

Students form bonds with their mentors and with each other. They learn to play together, listen and support one another. It's teamwork in its finest form and it's very powerful. None of this would be possible without the Santa Barbara Bowl Foundation Outreach Programs. These grants allow us to bring in mentors who not only nurture our students' musical skills but also inspire a lifelong love of music.

For some of these kids, this might be the start of a lifelong journey. One that could lead to on the stage at the Santa Barbara Bowl, to a symphony stage, a garage band or just simply a lifetime of joy and self-expression through music. I wanted to thank Lindsay Cook and Rick Bowler for inviting me to share my story with you today. It is, they are truly a powerful organization that brings so much needed support and overall joy to our students.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction2:35:24 · ≈ 11:35 AM

We will now go to Zoom with David Rojas who is our final speaker on this item.

PresenterDavid Rojas I'mMusic Programs for the Turner Foundation but i've been a educator in Santa BarbaProposedself-stated2:35:33 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Hello, can you guys hear me?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction2:35:35 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Yes we can please proceed.

PresenterDavid Rojas I'mMusic Programs for the Turner Foundation but i've been a educator in Santa BarbaProposedself-stated2:35:37 · ≈ 11:35 AM

Oh fantastic thank you. Hi my name is David Rojas I'm the Director of Music Programs for the Turner Foundation but i've been a educator in Santa Barbara for over a decade now working primarily with socially economically disadvantaged youth. I've had the pleasure of working with the Santa Barbara Bull for yeah almost 10 years now and during that time I've been able to You know, really see them nurturing relationships with other community organizations have been really accessible and you know and helping us find ways to fund music education for students in our community.

And what I've really seen is their love for providing opportunity for music education to be accessible to all students. For me specifically working with the Bull Through the Turner Foundation, they've just been an essential change maker in our community and one of the biggest things, one of the coolest projects I had to work with them on was a response to COVID-19. Obviously we all experienced that and that was a really heavy time You know, music for me is a social art and the Bull saw that too. So they helped us fund the city's first open-air music studio where we provide students opportunity to safely come together to make music kind of when you know when COVID-19 started kind of dying down but it was really important obviously we were all trapped in our homes and we still found a way to make sure the kids came together and had opportunity to make music Another example of their, you know just generosity and their love for music and creative arts education was we also got to experience them providing us support with their instrument fund and putting instruments in the hands of students that typically couldn't afford them.

That was really helpful for us as instructors making sure that the students had everything they needed in order for them to have a meaningful music education experience. And we couldn't have done that without San Barbara Bowl Overall, their support we feel is an essential resource to our community. We rely on their countless grants and just their love for music in the community to continue inspiring us as instructors, advocates for music creative arts education, and continue positively changing the lives of young people in our community so I just want to share that with you all today and we just really really appreciate Senator Bull and what they have done and how they support the community

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:38:05 · ≈ 11:38 AM

And that concludes public comment on this item. Thank you so much to our speakers any other comments or questions from the board before we wrap this one up? Okay I need a motion then please.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.922:38:17 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Move staff recommendation A and B and thank the bowl for coming.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:38:21 · ≈ 11:38 AM

I'll second it. Okay join in the thanks, we got a motion in a second all those in favor please say

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction2:38:27 · ≈ 11:38 AM

aye.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:38:28 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Aye. Motion carries Okay we do have three items left they all relate to the topic of cannabis. We also have closed session that we need to get to first so I think Madam Clerk, I believe you said about 45 minutes for closed session is that correct or County Council?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:38:49 · ≈ 11:38 AM

Yes, Madam Chair that's correct. The board is scheduled to consider two items in closed session today One is conference with real property negotiators And the board is sitting as the Board of Supervisors and the Board of Directors for the fire district The property is 900 Airport Road in San Yanez the agency negotiator is General Services Director Kirk Lagerquist and the negotiating parties are John Payton and Kerry Kindle Okay, why don't we round it up and make it a clean 1 p.m that will be back? Okay so we'll take closed session first thanks

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:39:53 · ≈ 11:39 AM

Okay. Welcome back, I guess what I'm calling this Cannabis Tuesday we've got three items related to cannabis remaining on our agenda. Madam Clerk?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed2:40:09 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Madam chair. Oh, I'm sorry. We have a readout of our closed session and problems the board met in closed session two items one item of real property Negotiations for 900 Airport Road and one item of decision deciding whether to initiate civil litigation and the board took no reportable action

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:40:26 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Thank You County Council madam clerk

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction2:40:30 · ≈ 11:40 AM

Chair Kaps and members of the board, I'd like to make a brief announcement regarding departmental items number five and six. After further consideration staff determined that it would be most effective to read both items into the record together as they are related allowing for more comprehensive discussion Staff will first present on departmental item number five, which concerns amendments to chapter 50 of the county code related to the licensing of cannabis operations followed by board questions. We will then move on to departmental item number six, which addresses amendments to the county land use and development code in article two of the coastal zoning code to clarify existing cannabis odor control regulations.

Once both presentations are complete, we will open a single public comment period for both items. The chair will set the time limits accordingly and that concludes my announcements on Department Item 5 and 6 and I will go ahead and read them both into the record now. Departmental item number five is from the County Executive Office it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding amending Chapter 50 of the county code licensing of cannabis operations And departmental item number 6 is from the planning and development department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding County Planning Commission CPC recommended ordinance amendments of the county land use and development code LUDC, and article 2 coastal zoning ordinance CZO.

To clarify existing cannabis odor control regulations by revising development standards and odor abatement plan OAP procedures, implementing a 12-month compliance period and establishing an odor threshold in the coastal zone to more efficiently identify evaluate and enforce cannabis related nuisance odors. We will now go to departmental item number fives presentation

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:42:15 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Kaps and members of the board. Brittany Oderman, Deputy County Executive Officer. I am joined by Carmela Beck our Cannabis Program Manager and she will be presenting today's presentation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:42:30 · ≈ 11:42 AM

Thank you Ms. Oderman. Good afternoon Chair Kaps and members of the board as mentioned I'm here to present the Chapter 50 licensing of cannabis operations ordinance amendments As background information, the Board adopted Chapter 50, Licensing of Cannabis Operations in May 2018. The ordinance has been amended several times to address unanticipated issues identified over time.

At the January 14, 2025 board meeting staff was directed to return with an ordinance amendment to incorporate odor abatement requirements in compliance with proposed Land Use Development Code amendments and the Coastal Zoning Ordinance. Separate from today's odor amendment ordinance amendment presentation, note that the live scan proposed amendment discussion is temporarily postponed to allow sufficient time to review Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office feedback. Additionally at the end of the presentation I will address one administrative amendment unrelated to today's odor discussion pertaining to a typo in section 50-17 Changes to improve cannabis odor control regulations require changes to the County Land Use Development Code and Article 2 Coastal Zoning Ordinance managed by the Planning and Development Department.

Changes are also required to the Cannabis Business License Chapter 50 managed by County Executive Office. Note that the broader odor changes requested by the board will be addressed in the subsequent planning and development presentation pertaining to county land use ordinances. The Chapter 50 proposal strives to be consistent with the Land Use Development Code and the Coastal Zoning Ordinance, and references both in the Chapter 50 ordinance.

The Chapter 50 proposed amendments are mainly focused on two items, namely number one the requirement to install multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology for cultivation processing and manufacturing facilities in accordance with chapter 35. And number two allows for the revocation or denial of a business license if technology is not timely implemented Because of the concern that the California Coastal Commission certification of the land use amendments will delay the installation timeline, staff is recommending slightly different provisions than those outlined in the Land Use Development Code and in the Coastal Zoning Ordinance.

Staff proposes that Chapter 50 require the installation of the multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology within 12 months of Board of Supervisors final approval of the Chapter 50 amendment. In this scenario, Chapter 50 is not tied to Coastal Commission certification of the land use ordinance change to enforce the 12 month timeline. For cannabis business license holders, the clock starts with Board of Supervisor approval on April 1st 2025.

Multitechnology carbon filtration or equivalent technology must be installed by March 31st 2026 or cannabis business licenses may be revoked or denied. This Chapter 50 amendment proposal allows requests for one extension period up to 12 months. I will discuss the mechanics of the extension process in the following two slides. This slide covers the recommended implementation timeline and extension process for coastal and inland operators.

For coastal operators, staff proposes that multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology must be installed within 12 months of Board of Supervisor approval regardless if the Coastal Commission certification takes place later. If the board approves on April 1st 2025, the installation deadline will be on or before March 31st 2026. Coastal operators may apply for a one-time extension that will be administered by the CEO office through the processes adopted in Chapter 50.

Extension requests must be submitted 90 days prior to the installation deadline and requests would have to be approved by the Board of Supervisors at the recommendation of the County Executive Office. There is no proposed allowance for additional extensions, and the board is the final decision maker. The board's actions cannot be appealed. Note that once the Coastal Commission certifies the amendments, the Chapter 50 extension provision would no longer be necessary and the process set forth in the coastal zone ordinance by planning and development in Chapter 35 would go into effect.

For inland operators, staff proposes that multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology must be installed within 12 months of Board of Supervisor approval. If the board approves on April 1st 2025, the installation deadline will be on or before March 31st 2026. If applicable one time extensions for inland operators will be administered by planning and development through their processes adopted in Chapter 35.

Acceptable reasons for requested one-time extensions may include but are not limited to supply chain delays, onsite power supply upgrades, offsite power supply upgrades and availability and other extenuating circumstances as determined by the Board. In order to align Chapter 35 and Chapter 50, staff recommends that the Board apply the proposed Chapter 50 extension criteria to Chapter 35 and consider only one land use development code coastal zoning ordinance extension period up to 12 months.

Staff suggests that extensions should be recommended by the Planning and Development Director to be approved by the Board of Supervisors. Just like the previously described Chapter 50 proposal, requests for extensions must be submitted 90 days prior to expiration of the installation period and there will be no allowance for further extensions. The board is the final decision maker and their actions cannot be appealed.

In the next three slides, I'll cover the staff-recommended changes impacting six sections of Chapter 50. To front load the changes, staff recommends adding a definition for multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent, recommends requiring affidavits for new and renewal business license applications, recommends adding language to include odor prevention devices for cultivation processing and manufacturing facilities Recommends updating business license denial language and adding revocation language as it pertains to odor abatement requirements.

The first of six recommended changes is the section 50-2 title definitions. This section adds a definition for multi technology carbon filtration or equivalent that is consistent with the definition in the land use development code and the coastal zoning ordinance. The second of six recommended changes is to section 50-8 titled application content for annual business license. This section establishes that all new cannabis business license applicants must submit a statement agreeing to the ongoing operation of their odor control system.

The third of six recommended changes is to Section 50-17, titled Grounds for Denial of License. This section states that nonuse of multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology with runtime meters on or before March 31st, 2026 is grounds for denial of a new or renewal license unless an extension is granted. The fourth of six recommended changes is to Section 50-19, titled Cannabis Business License Renewal Process. This section adds a new requirement to submit an odor control system affidavit attesting to compliance with Chapter 50 and Chapter 35 as part of the renewal application.

The fifth of six recommended changes is to Section 50-25 titled Cannabis Business License Operating Requirements. This section updates language to include continuous operation of odor prevention devices for cultivation, processing and manufacturing facilities. The sixth and final recommended change is to Section 50-26, titled Suspension or Revocation of a Cannabis Business License. This section adds a new requirement that failure to install multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent with runtime meters on or before March 31st, 2026 is grounds for revocation.

An extension process for operators in the coastal zone is added. The Chapter 50 extension process is only effective up until Coastal Commission certification of the Coastal Zoning Ordinance Amendment. This concludes the Chapter 50 proposed odor amendments. The final administrative amendment unrelated to today's odor presentation corrects the typo found in Section 5017 and updates 50-171 to read 50-17L.

Currently as written, Chapter 50 already requires compliance with Chapter 35 requirements and allows for the denial suspension or revocation of cannabis business licenses for noncompliance. However today's recommended amendment proposes strengthening Chapter 50 odor abatement requirements to include one a definition for multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology consistent with the land use development code and coastal zoning ordinance proposed definition Two, the requirement of odor affidavits for new and renewal business license applicants.

Three, denial or revocation of a business license for nonuse of multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent technology with runtime meters by the 12 month implementation deadline. Four, updated language applying odor control requirements to include processing and manufacturing facilities Five, an installation update, installation implementation deadline of March 31st 2026 or sooner.

And number six a one-time extension allowance up to 12 months for coastal operators if approved by the Board of Supervisors for extenuating circumstances Today's proposed amendment is intended to address odor nuisance and provide language for cannabis business license denial or revocation for non-compliant odor control systems. If approved, the new ordinance language will be effective 30 days from the second reading taking place on April 1st 2025. As of May 1st 2025 the ordinance amendment language will be operative Our recommended actions today are to consider the first reading of an ordinance of the Board of Supervisors of the County of Santa Barbara amending Chapter 50 of the Santa Barbara County Code, licensing of cannabis operations existing odor abatement requirements for cultivation processing and manufacturing facilities.

to require the use of multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent odor systems. To read the title and waive further reading of the ordinance in full, and to set a hearing on the administrative agenda for April 1st 2025 to consider the second reading and CEQA determination for amendments to Chapter 50. Thank you that concludes our presentation we're available for questions.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:53:39 · ≈ 11:53 AM

Thank You Ms. Beck and Miss Oterman so just to clarify the process here we're going to take chapter 50 presentation board questions Then we'll go to the next one, next item. Board questions then we'll go to the public and the public may speak on either items since they're very much aligned and then we can go back to the board for any additional questions on either item and deliberation etc.

Okay so with that Supervisor Nelson?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:54:07 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Yes thank you Chair Kaps. I've had this explained to me once before offline, so I want to make sure I have it right in my head on how this all works with the one-year time frame. So we're setting a one year time frame in Chapter 50 and so March 31st 2026 operators will need to have installed the carbon scrubbers or equivalent technology or they risk at that point not having their license renewed right? Is that how that works?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:54:37 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Supervisor Nelson through the chair, that's correct.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:54:40 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Okay and so that's then the one part I think is potentially an issue.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:54:47 · ≈ 11:54 AM

Supervisor can I just make a correction? Ms. Oterman in response to Supervisor Nelson's question is it revocation or non-renewal?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:55:01 · ≈ 11:55 AM

To clarify, it could be revocation or it could be denial. So as Chapter 50 allows for denial suspension revocation for odor abatement we are only discussing today denial and revocation. It could be either. So it depends on where you are in your renewal process, right? So one or the other would apply. If you're

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:55:22 · ≈ 11:55 AM

waiting for renewal, you may not get renewed. If you just got renewed three months ago like January 1st, you might potentially be revoked. Okay so that's one scenario. The other scenario is okay Now this goes to the Coastal Commission. Let's say hypothetically, the Coastal Commission approves these changes on August 1st this year. Let's give them a few months.

And so then we, this process goes away and then we default to the Coastal Commission? So does that create another year from that date or does it only go at that point another eight months? I'm just trying to make sure, I want to make sure my dates are right in my head and everybody is clear on it.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed2:56:06 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Yeah, so Supervisor Nelson through the chair. It's just a 12 month there is no extension so if the Coastal Commission gets certified first we are still sticking with our March 31st 2026 deadline.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:56:20 · ≈ 11:56 AM

So but if Coastal Commission goes later isn't there a year also in the Coastal Commission and their land use side? I just want to know this is only place of the year exists.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:56:30 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Supervisor Nelson through the chair My understanding of the what's being proposed for the land use code is 12 months or Coastal Commission certification if it's later than the 12 months.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:56:45 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Understood. OK,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed2:56:47 · ≈ 11:56 AM

so it's if the Coastal Commission goes in August 12 month supplies to everybody in both codes and yeah

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:56:59 · ≈ 11:56 AM

Sorry, I wanted to make sure we get it all straight because I think there's a lot of confusion on this. Yeah and I just think let's make sure from the outset we understand that we're talking about the same thing so we don't leave the meeting and have different interpretations.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:57:10 · ≈ 11:57 AM

Certainly Madam Chair, Supervisor Nielsen. So the 12 months starts April 1 and goes to March 31st, 2026. And hope the Coast Commission we hope will take action within that year if they take action in August the deadline is still April 1st 2026. If if they take action After that, you have your March 31st deadline in Chapter 50. But the Chapter 35 provisions would not go into effect until the Coastal Commission takes action in the coastal zone.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:57:50 · ≈ 11:57 AM

So it could be June 1st 2026 if it takes a little bit longer?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:57:53 · ≈ 11:57 AM

Could be.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:57:54 · ≈ 11:57 AM

That's not the intention. That's not the signals that we've heard at this point. We think there is a good chance this would Approved by the Coastal Commission within that year period.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:58:02 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Yes, that's correct. May I jump in just on this on this time frame? Just thank you just to speak to this. I met with our coastal commissioner yesterday and she reiterated that they would fast-track this She said I could say that publicly that her she and her several of her colleagues are on record from their hearings Saying they're enthusiastic about Considering these changes today. So I'm very optimistic that they would happen within our 12 months

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:58:31 · ≈ 11:58 AM

and just to add to Supervisor caps as remarks we had a meeting yesterday with Coastal Commission staff And we asked them the very same question and they believed they could get it done within a year of the hearing today

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction2:58:44 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:58:47 · ≈ 11:58 AM

Did you have further

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:58:48 · ≈ 11:58 AM

questions? Okay, Supervisor Lavinia. I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:58:50 · ≈ 11:58 AM

have a question about what happens if in the interim of the year or if there's an extension granted which I'm not sure everybody is on board with that but anyway if in this time frame because currently agricultural products are exempt from any odor nuisance, correct? So what happens if we're in the middle of this federal government comes in and says okay now marijuana is considered an agricultural product.

What would happen at that point? Is our ordinance still effective or would it be moot?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed2:59:29 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Supervisor Lavinino through the chair, it's an interesting question. I think if that were to happen we would have to come back to the board and talk about the next steps that the county wanted to take.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.752:59:47 · ≈ 11:59 AM

Other questions?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.902:59:53 · ≈ 11:59 AM

I just when we're putting these two together, I'm trying to remember which questions go to what. OK, so you can bounce around. Do we know what's the universe of all? How many are we talking about that are going to need to put in odor control and how much? So what I'd like to know is like how many operators already have what we consider a carbon filtration system that works and how many need to go do that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:00:19 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Thank you, Supervisor Lavinino through the chair. We talked about this a bit with planning and development. We believe there's between 15 and 20 operators that would need to install either get rid of their vapor system and install completely carbon systems or have a combination. I don't know how many are already compliant. Do you? A

CommentTad McKenzieProposedself-stated3:00:41 · ≈ 12:00 PM

couple.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:00:45 · ≈ 12:00 PM

Between five and seven is what I'm being told by Ms.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:00:50 · ≈ 12:00 PM

So

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:00:52 · ≈ 12:00 PM

it's about 12 that would need them?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:00:54 · ≈ 12:00 PM

No, I think she's saying it's 15 to 20 need them and five to seven already have them.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:01:08 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Supervisor Hartman. Yes, the first question what have we learned about energy hookups? Does Southern California Edison did we have any conversation do we have some assurance that they can work expeditiously or is that still a big question mark?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:01:31 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Supervisor Hartman through the chair I believe Miss Plowman is going to answer this question

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:01:46 · ≈ 12:01 PM

Madam Chair, members of the board and Supervisor Hartman. So our staff has initiated conversations with SCE and we expected them to be online today and so we're looking in to see if they are to be able to answer some questions. We have not initiated this study. I mean we started our conversation so we've initiated work towards that but the current ordinance package has taken up the time of staff and so we will be proceeding Once we are complete this action with the board.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:02:18 · ≈ 12:02 PM

And Supervisors if I may, the last time we did talk about this I believe Edison said it was basically a case-by-case basis and your board had some discussion whether you wanted planning to do a study or not but that was Edison's response I recall.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:02:31 · ≈ 12:02 PM

Yeah and they're typically what they say is you need to submit an application To be able to get information about how long it would take

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:02:41 · ≈ 12:02 PM

And my second question, last hearing we heard from Mr. Van Wingerden about a scrubber that he's installed already and we're requiring the multi-stage scrubber which I gather is a better technology because the carbon lasts longer in moist environment doesn't require so much Operating costs, but my question is is there a way to grandfather somebody like Mr. Van Winkerdon if he wants to invest in that?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:03:14 · ≈ 12:03 PM

So Supervisor Hartman through the chair so the way we have drafted the definition allows for multiple types of systems as long as they're effective, right? The only thing we're phasing out right now is vapor phase. So you can use the invinity scrubbers which are also used photolytic catalytic. Thank you photocatalytic oxidation at PCO and carbon so they use that but you can also use other carbon products filtration products and as long as they're effective They'll be able to use them. If they aren't effective and we are picking up odors through our threshold, then we will take action and coordinate with them to either make sure their systems are working properly, and if they are not, they get repaired. But if they are and they aren't sufficient, then they're going to have to do a new OAP.

Maybe they need to add more filters or maybe they need to change the technology.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:04:19 · ≈ 12:04 PM

So in talking to some people in the industry, as I understand it the PCO, the multi-stage scrubbers are much better and really are the best available control technology because the carbon can last for five or ten years or more without having to change it out. It doesn't absorb the moisture which then affects Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:05:12 · ≈ 12:05 PM

I caution the board in doing that. I mean, the board could move forward with that but I think we want to be careful about picking a specific technology and advocating for it. I think our goal is to make sure they use technology that works. I guess I would just express some caution about that.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:05:35 · ≈ 12:05 PM

Yeah, it's just if we're defining best available then we're already going towards a particular technology and telling them what to do. I do think it's important to express a preference again because over time it's more effective

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:05:53 · ≈ 12:05 PM

I understand that and I guess what I would say is there might be a technology in the future,

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:05:59 · ≈ 12:05 PM

sure.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:05:59 · ≈ 12:05 PM

That is better and so perhaps leaving it a little bit more neutral leaves room for that. We already

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:06:05 · ≈ 12:06 PM

do that with the equivalent technology so equivalent to what? Yeah anyway I think we'll hear more in public comment about that but be thinking about it because I think that may be a direction to go in And my final issue has to do with possibly reducing the cap. So I'd like to know both in the overlay carpentry area, what is the current approved acreage and as well as for the outdoor unincorporated area? What is the current issued permit acreage?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:06:48 · ≈ 12:06 PM

So, let's see here. For the CARP overlay with the acreage cap is 186 acres we currently have 170 acres that are permitted and then we currently have 148 of that our issue permitted So I'm not sure if I stated that properly but 186 in the cap, 170 are approved and 148 are actually issued.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:07:16 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Okay so I'd be interested in reducing the cap to what is already approved and for the inland

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:07:25 · ≈ 12:07 PM

open air? So for the inland area we have 1575 in the acreage cap. Approved are 1760 and issued as 1019.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:07:36 · ≈ 12:07 PM

So I'd be interested in looking, let's see. So the approved... Okay so we've almost approved up to the cap?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:07:50 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Over.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:07:50 · ≈ 12:07 PM

We've

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:07:51 · ≈ 12:07 PM

approved over their cap.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:07:53 · ≈ 12:07 PM

But they can't get business licenses?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:07:58 · ≈ 12:07 PM

Well, so we've only issued 1,019 acres in the inland area and we've approved up to 1760. So there's still room to actually have them be issued.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:08:11 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Okay well I want to think about that too, raise that with my colleagues on the board. And that's all my questions for now until after public comment.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:08:23 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Supervisor Lee?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction3:08:24 · ≈ 12:08 PM

I just want to say, I do agree with looking at reducing the caps. Can staff talk about enforcement violations and penalties about order specifically?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:08:42 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Supervisor Lee through the chair, I think we're now sort of moving into the chapter 35 section. So my suggestion is we pause here switch staff give our presentation then we can take those questions

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:08:56 · ≈ 12:08 PM

Okay, unless you had a couple on chapter 50 and less are you done up for now? Okay Thank You So just on the affidavit, could you just explain a little bit more what that looks like? What happens with an affidavit once the scrubbers have been installed.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:09:16 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Well we don't, Supervisor Chair Capps, we don't necessarily have it fully fleshed out yet but I mean it's going to mirror the language in Chapter 50 and language in Chapter 35. So we'll take out the definition make sure that it's clear on what is allowed and that the timeline is there and that there must be ongoing operation of the equipment and there have to be run time meters so it's kind of matching the definition of what we are expressing on the front end

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:09:43 · ≈ 12:09 PM

And they need to do that annually or just upon installation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:09:47 · ≈ 12:09 PM

So for all, for all new applicants it'll be part of the application process and then for renewal at the renewal period it will be another document that's required. So it's going to be

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:09:55 · ≈ 12:09 PM

an annual

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed3:09:55 · ≈ 12:09 PM

requirement.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:09:55 · ≈ 12:09 PM

Okay so it's not only that you have the scrubbers for just to simplify the term. Scrubbers you've installed them but they're also working. That's what the affidavit expresses? Correct Okay, thank you. I appreciate Supervisor Levin starting off with the question about how many because I think given the intensity and length of time and complexity one might think that these are dozens upon dozens of businesses that we're talking about but by my count, my understanding is that it's 12. That there's 19 currently operating and 7 have already installed scrubbers. Anyway it's around 12 which again just speaks to in my opinion the doable nature of this Okay, so I just wanted to ask one last question on Chapter 50 related to extension process and the CEO's office is recommending that the That the extension, if there are any would be granted by the Board of Supervisor upon recommendation of the CEO's office.

And I just want to make sure my understanding is correct and why they're proposing that path versus what might be coming in the next presentation.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:11:11 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Chair Caps, that's correct. It would be and this is the only for the coastal operators prior to Coastal Commission certification it is submitted to the CEO's office for approval recommendation to the board and the board would have to approve, be the final decision maker.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:11:32 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Okay so that's what the CEO's office is recommending? Correct. That you give a thumbs up thumbs down to an extension and then it comes to the Board

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed3:11:41 · ≈ 12:11 PM

That's correct. And we're recommending that also be the extension process that you may want to consider for Chapter 35 to be consistent. That's staff's recommendation.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:11:52 · ≈ 12:11 PM

Okay, thank you. That's it from me for now. Why don't we

move on to the next item which would be Chapter 35? And then again for the public, we'll take your comments very shortly on either item or both.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:13:08 · ≈ 12:13 PM

Madam Chair, I'm in error waiting for Miss Alexander. OK, just realize I think we're all waiting on it. We're all waiting on us. Yes, we're good. So we are returning to the board after the additional direction we received on January 14th. Since that time, we've attended two Planning Commission hearings, one in January, one in February for them to consider the board's direction and provide recommendations to the board.

So today we are going to proceed with that I have a number of staff and consultants that are available for questions. Ms. Karina Vanegas will be making the presentation, I have Aaron Briggs Deputy Director Petra Leyva who oversees enforcement Jeff Wilson Assistant Director and then Behind me we have our consultants Megan Klein from GeoCentec, Kevin Kaufman from GeoCentec and then online we have Hamish Corbett-Haines who is will be able to participate and discuss some specifics regarding odor technology.

So with that I'll turn it over to Ms. Venegas

Commentmy name is KarinaProposedself-stated3:14:19 · ≈ 12:14 PM

Thank you Director Plowman. Good afternoon Madam Chair and Supervisors, again for the record my name is Karina Vanegas Martin and I will be giving today's presentation on the Cannabis Odor Ordinance Amendments. Here is an overview of today's presentation and what we will be focusing on So as a brief refresher, this effort began when planning and development staff coordinated with the county executive office in April of last year to brief the board on the status of cannabis odor complaints, operator odor abatement plan compliance and the successes and challenges of implementing the existing Cannabis Odor Abatement Ordinance provisions.

As a result of that effort, the Board directed P&D to amend the Coastal Zoning Ordinance to develop a new objective odor threshold and standards to be used to verify compliance. Determine where odor measurements should be taken and what tools should be used to measure odor. Require annual inspections after initial quarterly inspections are complete installation of runtime equipment for odor technology, and adopt a ministerial permit path for improvements to odor control systems.

The board also directed P&D to study power supply in the Carpentaria area and options for odor control for outdoor grows in the inland area. Staff began preparing the odor ordinance amendments and presented the draft ordinance package along with a detailed analysis to the County Planning Commission on September 25th and November 6 of last year. Then on January 14 of this year, the board gave P&D staff additional directives which included additional standards for the coastal zone as well as amendments to the County Land Use and Development Code, LUDC, for indoor growing and processing operations.

These new directives would amend the Coastal and Inland Cannabis Ordinance to require operators to utilize multi-technology carbon filtration or equivalent in all odor abatement plans Phase out the use of vapor phase or misting systems. Require OAPs be certified by a California licensed professional engineer. Establish a 12-month implementation period for operators to comply with these new requirements and allow that any changes to existing OAPs, to include these new requirements, be considered a minor change to the existing land use entitlement The purpose of these proposed changes are to improve the enforceability of nuisance odor standards in the ordinance and to provide effective tools that would allow P&D staff to monitor and verify compliance with approved odor abatement plans.

The most notable change specified by the Board to reduce nuisance odors is to mandate all new and existing mix-like cannabis cultivation operations to revise their OAPs to rely on multi-technology carbon filtration, to achieve compliance with their odor abatement requirements. Multitechnology carbon filtration is defined as air filtration technology that utilizes activated carbon, which may include carbon filters, photocatalytic oxidation.

and or other equivalent technologies that utilize carbon filtration. Consistent with current practice, operators will need to specify in their OAP the number of carbon units required to adequately maintain effective odor control dependent upon their facility's specific characteristics. Each OAP will consider site-specific factors, including facility capacity and the volume of growing and processing spaces as well as the capacity of the chosen technology.

A California licensed professional engineer would then certify the OAP before it's provided to staff for consideration. In addition, the board discussed that the field of odor abatement is actively evolving and recognized that there may be new technology available in the future to address odor abatement measures. The ordinance also allows for other technologies that can be demonstrated to provide equivalent or better odor abatement than multi-technology carbon filtration.

Currently, 16 operators utilize vapor phase or misting technologies to reduce odors generated in growing areas. Four of these operators are currently proposing to transition to carbon filters or photocatalytic oxidation technologies. The proposed amendments require that all mixed light cannabis cultivation operations to discontinue reliance upon vapor phase technologies to achieve compliance with their odor abatement requirements.

Therefore, any operators currently utilizing this technology will need to update their OAPs such that odor is controlled through the multi-use technology carbon filtration or other equivalent technologies. Staff believes that a transition away from vapor phase to multi-technology carbon filtration will bring meaningful improvement to odor abatement throughout the Carpinteria Valley.

The proposed amendments add compliance and monitoring standards that will provide staff with additional enforcement tools. These changes will require operators to install and operate runtime meters on their equipment to demonstrate when odor abatement equipment is and is not functioning. Submit that data to P&D annually or upon request. Require annual inspections for the life of the project for which an OAP is required and require OAPs be reviewed and certified by a California licensed engineer These changes will provide P&d with effective tools to ensure operators are compliant with their OAP's Another meaningful addition to the ordinance is the establishment of an objective and measurable odor threshold.

In the Coastal Zoning Ordinance, the ordinance mandates that cannabis nuisance odors may not meet or exceed 7 dilution over threshold, or D over T, measured at the property line of a commercial cannabis facility with the nasal ranger device for the duration of a consecutive three-minute period. Operators will be required to implement corrective actions as determined by the department if a facility meets or exceeds the cannabis odor threshold.

Establishment of the threshold will enable staff to objectively measure cannabis odors at each site and adequately respond to and address complaints The department will require corrective actions to be implemented if the following complaint thresholds are met. If three complaints are received from individuals within a 60-day period and the department determines cannabis odor measured at the property line equals or exceeds the threshold, or complaints are received from five or more individuals in a 24 hour period and the department determines cannabis odor from the facility equals or exceeds the threshold If either of these thresholds are met, the operator will be required to undergo the following sequential measures until compliance is demonstrated.

First submit a written statement that verifies operational compliance with the approved OAP or actions taken to achieve operational compliance Second, the operator shall conduct diagnostic testing of the existing approved OAP equipment and submit a written statement describing the results of the testing and corrective actions taken to eliminate or reduce the cannabis related nuisance odors.

And third, the operator shall conduct a diagnostic assessment of the odor abatement plan and develop a revised OAP to be recertified by California licensed engineer subject to the department's review and approval By applying this incremental corrective action approach, the department will be able to ensure operators are compliant with the amendment's nuisance odor requirements.

The board specified that operators will be required to update their OAPs in compliance with these new standards or develop new OAPS in the inland area and to install and begin operation of any new requirements within a 12-month time frame from the date of board action. For the inland area, this means that operators will be required to comply within 12 months after the board's adoption of the ordinance.

And for the coastal zone, operators will need to comply within 12 months after board adoption or upon California Coastal Commission certification of the amendment package whichever timeline is later. The Board further specified that extensions to this 12-month implementation requirement could be requested. Examples that could serve as reasons to request an extension include equipment supply chain delays, necessary power upgrades from utility providers and other unforeseen challenges.

As proposed the ordinance language included with your board letter currently states that extensions may be requested and granted by the Director of Planning and Development for up to 12 months Initial extensions and any additional requests to extend would be considered by the Director and follow the standard appeal process to the Planning Commission, and ultimately to the Board of Supervisors.

In subsequent slides Mr. Briggs is going to walk your board through extension request options for your consideration. The board further specified that extensions to this 12-month implementation requirement could be requested. Examples that could serve as reasons to request an extension include equipment supply chain delays, necessary power upgrades... Madam Chair, excuse me. Got a little mixed up on my slides.

The proposed amendments to the LUDC are within the scope of the programmatic EIR and no subsequent environmental review is needed pursuant to CEQA guidelines section 15162 and 15168 C. 2. The proposed coastal zoning ordinance amendment affects portions of the county within the coastal zone and constitutes an amendment to the county's local coastal program, and is therefore statutorily exempt pursuant to CEQUA Guidelines Section 15265 And before I pass it on to Mr. Briggs, over a series of four hearings planning and development staff presented the proposed ordinance amendments to the County Planning Commission for their consideration.

The County Planning Commission's review culminated in a set of recommendations for the board to consider the following. Revising the odor thresholds in the coastal zoning ordinance to require that cannabis operators maintain an odor below 7 D over T This means that an operation may not generate odor that equals or exceeds a level of 7D over T for a three-minute time period at the property line as measured with the nasal ranger device.

Require that extensions to the 12 month implementation timeframe be under the jurisdiction of the Planning and Development Director, and appealable to the Planning Commission, and then to the Board which would act as the final decision maker And finally, to allow for additional extensions beyond the initial to start at the expiration date of the previous extension.

The Planning Commission's final review concluded on February 19th where they did not make a recommendation for a decision maker of appeal process for additional extensions.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:26:41 · ≈ 12:26 PM

Thank you Miss Venegas. So I wanted to transition to the question of extensions. There's been some discussion, there was quite a bit of discussion at the Planning Commission about whether an extension should be granted, the number of extensions and then how that could be appealed And I think we have a few slides on that, but I think what we have decided to do amongst staff is just move to the slide that asks for the board direction because it really summarizes what the options are for the board particularly now in light of the CEO's recommendation.

And then we will outline for the board what the planning commission's recommendations were. So I'm going to turn that over to Mr. Briggs and he'll make that presentation.

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CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:27:28 · ≈ 12:27 PM

Okay, Madam Chair and members of the board. So remember that any extension request is going to need to be grounded in one of the reasons that we articulated earlier and the examples are included in both Chapter 50 and Chapter 35 and they include the inability to acquire carbon technology challenges in bringing power to the site things like that so any extension requests would need to be supported by some kind of factual evidence demonstrating that they need an extension And then a couple of decision points for the board would be number one, the number of extensions that you would like to allow for.

And then secondly, the decision maker and appeal process for any extensions. And so as Director Plowman said there was some fairly detailed discussions at the Planning Commission level about this topic And what they deliberated on was essentially the potential for one extension up to 12 months. One initial extension for up to 12 months and one additional extension or finally, one extension request for up to 12 months and then additional extensions as needed. And this is actually what the Planning Commission's recommendation was, was to allow an initial extension and then additional extensions as necessary And then similarly, there was a very detailed discussion about who the decision maker for these extension requests would be and what that process might look like.

There are quite a few options. Extensions could be acted on by the director and go through our standard appeal process through the planning commission ultimately to the board There is a more truncated process whereby the extension request could be considered by the Director and then decided on by the Planning Commission. Alternatively, a request could be acted on by the Director and appealed to the Board.

And then finally, and this would align with Chapter 50 what's being proposed in Chapter 50 would be that the Board of Supervisors be a decision maker for all extension requests with a recommendation from the Planning Director

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:29:49 · ≈ 12:29 PM

So Madam Chair, members of the board. So the Planning Commission recommended that the appeal process for the first extension go through our standard process where the director makes the decision it gets appealed to the PC and then appealed to the board they could not come to consensus on what additional extensions would look like in terms of the decision maker So at this stage, we are asking for the board to provide direction on the number of extensions and who the decision maker and what the appeal path would be if there is an appeal path.

And that concludes staff's presentation.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:30:33 · ≈ 12:30 PM

Okay, thank you so much. Just looking around to see who might have

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:30:38 · ≈ 12:30 PM

a question. Supervisor Hartman? Well I'll start just on the extension. So I'm just trying to run out this scenario. I'm perfectly happy with going to the Planning Director and then to the Board. But as we think about if you can't get power and you've had one extension, then you got to shut down if we do that. I mean isn't that the consequence?

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CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:31:08 · ≈ 12:31 PM

So Madam Chair and Supervisor Hartman, I'm not so sure that it would be as draconian as to require shutdown but certainly that particular operator would have some choices to make on how they want to use their power

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:31:20 · ≈ 12:31 PM

I think actually what Supervisor Hartman is saying, if the extension ends, let's just say it ends December 31st and they can't get power and we don't have a provision for additional extensions. That's correct. They are going to have to wind down their operation. And then their license would be terminated at that point, I believe.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:31:44 · ≈ 12:31 PM

Yeah, so I mean I just have a question about that in that through no fault of their own they bought this stuff. They're waiting to get it hooked up. So I think that's something we have to consider the other questions I have You know it's, we've got the technology and again I'm looking at this language and I think again the PCO is the best technology or equivalent but we want a grandfather. I mean I think that that is strongly where I feel but then where do we measure the effectiveness? And ideally it would be at the vent but we don't have anything. I mean in an ideal world when you're measuring pollution or odor It's at the source, ideally it would be automatic and real-time and on a computer. And we do that for water pollution. We have that technology but we don't have that in cannabis so we're doing our best and if we had it at the vent we would need permission to get up there to measure and that's too complicated so we got to do it the best we can at the property line and I'm very much in favor of And then the question is, well with what tool?

And the nasal arranger is the best we have and it requires... Smell is a complicated thing. And cannabis is a complicated... It's not really the terpenes as I understand it. It's the sulfur that makes the skunky. And so actually the human nose is a pretty good instrument if it's well trained and has a capacity. So I think the nasal arranger is what we have to use. I've heard that there are other technologies in the future. So just like we have best available technology for control, I hope we will have better technology and I think that can be handled outside the ordinance for actually measuring as that improves.

Then it's the standard. What level of whatever it is we're measuring are we looking for? And I'm sort of confused by, and I'll read you this paragraph because I don't fully understand it. In the coastal zone revise the odor threshold to below 70T so that an operation cannot operate with a level of 7DT for three minute time period at the property line in the event A consecutive three minute time period is measured, the operation would be considered non-compliant. Get that? But then this effectively means the operation would need to maintain four DT or lower in order to remain below seven DT so that's what I don't get.

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CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:34:29 · ≈ 12:34 PM

So Madam Chair and Supervisor Hartman, that second sentence is really just kind of meant to add an additional layer to the description. The threshold is written such that 7D over T is a is an exceedance that is a violation in order to maintain compliance an operator would need to operate below that level so for or below

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:34:54 · ≈ 12:34 PM

And what about five and six? So that's a good question. Yes, go

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:35:00 · ≈ 12:35 PM

ahead Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:35:01 · ≈ 12:35 PM

Briggs.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:35:01 · ≈ 12:35 PM

The nasal ranger instrument operates kind of I don't know what the right word is off the tip of my tongue. But the instrument has measurements of 1, 2, 4, 7, 15, 30. So it doesn't go one by one. It kind of

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:35:20 · ≈ 12:35 PM

jumps. That helps me. And then here you say in the coastal zone but wouldn't that be consistent both in and out of the coastal zone?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:35:35 · ≈ 12:35 PM

So Madam Chair and Supervisor Hartman, we have some challenges in implementing the threshold in the inland area because outdoor grows are allowed. And if we have an outdoor grow that's nearby and is generating a strong amount of odor, we can't apply the threshold to the portion of that operation that's indoors because that reading is being influenced by the outdoor grow.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:35:59 · ≈ 12:35 PM

OK. That's Supervisor Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:36:05 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Yes, thank you Chair Caps. One of the items that I heard in the presentation was about the amount of complaints that would need to kind of trigger enforcement. Could you go over that with me again? Because I didn't see in the slide. I heard you read it but I want to try to write it down. It was something five within 24 hours is that and there was another threshold there?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:36:31 · ≈ 12:36 PM

I believe it was three within 60 days. Three within 60 days. And the two scenarios are meant to account for an acute situation where you're getting a lot of complaints in a short period of time or chronic situation we're getting complaints over a longer period of time.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:36:50 · ≈ 12:36 PM

What about if it's just being observed by staff? So let's say staff is out there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:36:58 · ≈ 12:36 PM

Supervisor Nelson through the chair.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:36:59 · ≈ 12:36 PM

An acute issue, do they have to make sure that there's five Are there any complaints within that 24 hours before they can do any action? Can they observe real time, you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:37:12 · ≈ 12:37 PM

know. That's correct Supervisor Nelson so if we have staff in the field and we're out doing an inspection and we have a nasal ranger and we detect odor at a property line then we could consider that a violation.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:37:26 · ≈ 12:37 PM

Okay all right and through all this my understanding As we look at these different thresholds, it's really about kind of how you guys design the odor abatement plans. Right? People move forward with new technologies and updating their odor abatement plans. You know somebody might have a carbon scrubber but it's using some maybe older technology so they're going to probably need more maintenance and that's going to be in their odor abatement plan right? They're going to need to change out their carbon once a month

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:37:58 · ≈ 12:37 PM

That's

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:37:58 · ≈ 12:37 PM

correct. So that's going to be in that odor abatement plan that they're going to be required to comply with, right? That's how that will work and so you know my understanding the reason why that the amidity product is so effective is because it gets 80% or 84 I think up to 88% reduction and odor that passes through, you know it drops out. And then it kind of circulates again and sometimes it keeps bringing that number down. It sounds like some of these other technologies can do that but they may not be able to do that for as long but that's why that maintenance is in place so when you guys are looking at the odor abatement plan are you guys looking at the net reduction in odor as part of that?

Are you looking at a percentage

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:38:49 · ≈ 12:38 PM

So Supervisor Nelson through the chair, what we look at is and I don't want to mislead you that I know that we say exactly that. But what we look at is what is your technology that you're using? And what is it that you have to do to maintain that technology to ensure you know, effective that it's working. So those components would be built in I haven't seen a Notre Dame plan that specifically says you have to reach a certain percentage but we have we have our expert on the line Amish from Geosyntech that can provide a response to that.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:39:33 · ≈ 12:39 PM

That'd be helpful for me thank you

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:39:37 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Hi can you hear me am I coming through okay?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction3:39:41 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Yes we can hear you thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:39:43 · ≈ 12:39 PM

All right just so i'm clear, can I can you please repeat the question?

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:39:52 · ≈ 12:39 PM

Sorry about that I was getting a clarification on another issue The effectiveness of the reduction in the scrubber technology. So when you guys are looking at that, you know again, you know and vanity has been held up to be a standard that's we're looking at it my understanding is that single pass-through that reduces it between 84 and 88. You know the smell of the cannabis odor so when you guys are looking at odor abatement plans is that and you know I understand that other carbon scrubber technologies can also get that, but can they get that for longevity is always the issue.

So are you guys – is that how you guys are building the odor abatement plans so it maintains a certain level of reduction over a period of time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:40:38 · ≈ 12:40 PM

It is a good question and you're certainly right that different technologies will have better effectiveness over a longer period. It is very dependent on the situation they're in, so humidity what the contaminants are how they're being operated. I think a good way to answer this question is this is a reason each of the OAPS is required to be signed off by a PE who is familiar with the settings with the surroundings which with the actual operations and can consider the setting in which they're being installed.

You're correct in saying that Systems which have more pass through or you know as you're saying, more air circulations will be more effective. But it does depend on the technology in the setting

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:41:22 · ≈ 12:41 PM

so but what is the standard that we're sending it to? Because there's going to be a PE. You know an engineer that's going to sign off on it. What are they signing off too?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:41:32 · ≈ 12:41 PM

It's about meeting the odor threshold at the property line, so that would have to do with how the facility would vent what the emissions and how the air would disperse from that facility. consideration of the number of air changes that is being used to evaluate the OAPs when they're first developed, but it's not a rule which has to be met. It's more a back-of-the-envelope does this seem like it will achieve the intention of the ordinance or not?

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CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:42:15 · ≈ 12:42 PM

And the reason I'm asking this question is because I never wanted to get the 7D over T at the property line so if you know really you know we've seen examples that when that reduction happens at 80% inside a greenhouse Then we're really not talking about all this other noise. So instead of that's really the source of the problem, that's a symptom you know let's deal with the actual issue and it sounds like if we can hit 80% in OAPs on internal pass around odor that that's where we find solutions and it sounds like that all these carbon technologies can do that they just got to make sure they maintain it So it seems like instead of trying to build it backwards, we should build it to work in the first place.

And so that's what I would

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed3:42:55 · ≈ 12:42 PM

agree. OK, sorry.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:42:57 · ≈ 12:42 PM

That's what I want in the OAPs and that's kind of direction I'm hoping that we're giving you is that when those are evaluated and I don't know if there needs be additional language to do that. That seems like that is really how you solve this problem is making sure that that's in place and that's in the OAP that certified by an engineer is saying yes This technology will do that inside the greenhouse so that you don't really need to worry about the 7DRT or whether you got five people reporting in 24 hours or whatnot. If you really achieve that inside of a greenhouse, and again, that can be done by multiple products out there. It just matter how much you want to invest in those products to be able to achieve that threshold.

Again I would rather make sure that we were resolving it much earlier. So help me staff feel comfortable there

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:43:44 · ≈ 12:43 PM

Yeah, Supervisor Nielsen through the chair and I can we can certainly have Mr. Briggs respond but I think what we have designed is we've left the I mean there's certain provisions for the OAP and we request that it be designed by an engineer and signed off by an engineer so that they can achieve what our goal is which is in what the Planning Commission recommended below seven at the property line So whatever it is they have to do inside to meet that threshold, that's how they're designing the system.

So we have left them some flexibility. We haven't necessarily prescribed exactly what the number of pass-throughs should be or what the percentage should be but we're letting the engineer determine what the best operation is for that facility. That's how we've set it up. And then if they do, if we start being able to pick it up at seven outside at their property line then that system's not working. It's not achieving the goal.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:44:50 · ≈ 12:44 PM

I hear what you're saying. Maybe I'm simplistic in my thinking but it seems like there's a way to get there a lot sooner so we're not having to have to reverse engineer it to a violation and that seems to be where I'm struggling. Anyway, I'll leave that out there for a minute for further discussion. I did want to address Supervisor Hartman's issue about the extension and what that might do to an operator. And that's why actually I think it should come to the board on the extensions so that if we have a slug of extensions that we're having to do because we see this big issue then our board can act you know if we if we have most of these that we see this common problem come to the board that we're doing five six seven of these extensions because there's a big electricity issue I mean that gives us a full potential year for us to act and maybe start to consider shoot, maybe we would need to alter this to add some more time in the future so we don't put somebody out of business.

And so I think we'd be able to get that information in real time to our board so that we could give further staff direction in the future because I don't think it's anybody's intention if anybody out of business.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:45:53 · ≈ 12:45 PM

May I respond? Sure. Oh well, I appreciate that. I just don't want to find ourselves writing an ordinance so we're in the situation that we were earlier with the TOT. I mean unless we... because you can't revise the ordinance when the person is there sitting before you. But

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction3:46:12 · ≈ 12:46 PM

the first one-year potentially up to one year extension would come to us So we have that much time to go shoot. You know, we're seeing this as being an issue on the horizon you know because what you know if somebody comes to us after this first year and they don't have an idea of when that's going to be solved if they come to us and say you know what Southern California Edison says who knows I mean it's something that's information we're gonna take in and go shoot okay yeah you have your whole year but we need to get updates throughout the year to find out when Southern California Edison is gonna start to make the upgrades Thank you very

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:46:45 · ≈ 12:46 PM

much.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:47:00 · ≈ 12:47 PM

I had a question on that front. So our ordinance as it is written is best available technology, correct? And so when was that study done that showed that the best available technology was carbon scrubbers like 2022?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:47:18 · ≈ 12:47 PM

That's a good question. I don't have the exact date. I think that maybe a member of the public.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:47:24 · ≈ 12:47 PM

Yeah, so my memory serves is it's been a couple years. It's been a couple years. My feeling is that there's been plenty of time for those operators who really want to solve the problem and get out of litigation and be good neighbors. It's been pretty clear what the best available technology has been and there's been plenty of time to contact Southern California Edison, start the process last April as presented in your presentation we had a whole robust discussion of scrubbers and the upshot wasn't requirement at that point but there's certainly a lot of forecasting about that requirement coming and that was last April of 2023 I'm sorry, that was April of 2024. Meanwhile January of 2025 there was a 5-0 vote so it's not as though the clock technically starts March 31st but in my mind I would like to start by saying thank you to the Board of Supervisors for this opportunity.

I think that's significant. I couldn't have other questions but I just kind of jumped in on your your comment about the extensions if others. Supervisor Leibniz.

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CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction3:49:22 · ≈ 12:49 PM

Of this and that it should come before the board with recommendation from director. Our board should be the decision makers so that's my direction and the DT levels Supervisor Hartman I am a solid four, I think four is a good starting point. With the technology that we have today for is achievable and realistic thanks

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:49:47 · ≈ 12:49 PM

I'm going to jump in on that thank you Supervisor Lee. On the question, that was my next question was on the D over T numbers and the nasal ranger capability so as far as what your all are recommending which came from the Planning Commission I appreciate that is up to seven so essentially that's four correct? So I just think we're kind of talking some people have said Up to seven is too much, but then they're in the same sentence saying it has to be four. But that's one and the same up to seven is four because there's no five or six.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:50:19 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Correct. And just

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:50:20 · ≈ 12:50 PM

like a Willy Wonka situation.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:50:21 · ≈ 12:50 PM

Just to reiterate, seven would be considered a violation. Four would be considered in compliance.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:50:27 · ≈ 12:50 PM

So what came out of the Planning Commission is ostensibly four? Yes. Correct, okay. Okay complaint system so I have a lot of heartburn over the fact that we're still relying on a complaint system when we've established that a complaint system hasn't worked thus far. I'm hoping to, I'm asking a leading question that there will also be testing. That they'll be our staff for that isn't just relying on a complaint system amongst a group of people who are completely burnt out on a complaint system that has not worked so Again and I should just preface because i do think we get so in the weeds on this topic that we missed the big picture. My goal and my hope is that if when everybody a year from now fingers crossed has scrubbers in, that we this is all hypothetical because odor it has been by and large controlled and now we're into the hypotheticals of what if there's still odor then we need a verification system and we're still but that so that's my very optimistic I'm going to start with a question about the complaint system.

I know you have a vision so but it in that vision can you explain how is this complaint system may be different than the complaint system that has been so frustrating for neighbors?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:51:54 · ≈ 12:51 PM

The question is, will we have the availability to have staff in the field being in the community and providing random testing along the property lines? So we do have the ability to have staff going out into the community in a random situation and checking up to make sure that the odor threshold is not being exceeded. But we also need something in place for an acute situation where there are a number of complaints and our staff maybe wasn't out there at that time or in the area.

And then we have something to flag it for us, okay, we need to go, we need to be paying attention to this area, and then we can start working with the grower. But we need to have something that allows for these complaints to come in and then some specific steps that we are required to take. And we will take those steps even if it was our staff that picked up an odor with the nasal ranger on a property line that wasn't based in a complaint, it was just us being out there noticing the smell of cannabis and then measuring it.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:53:04 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Okay so is there a plan yet or would there be a plan yet for sort of I heard somewhere quarterly testing? Is that did my memory serves or that came up at some point.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:53:16 · ≈ 12:53 PM

So what we do now. Mr. Briggs, did you want to answer?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:53:20 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Yeah, Madam Chair. So the ordinance language is going to require quarterly inspections once an OAP has been certified. So for that first year staff is going to be going out on a quarterly basis and then after that year is up we would do annual inspections. Okay. Also built into the ordinance is the ability for staff to perform unannounced site visits and we have done that in the past and you know under certain circumstances we would certainly do that going forward

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:53:49 · ≈ 12:53 PM

And these quarterly visits would include nasal ranger testing?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:53:52 · ≈ 12:53 PM

Yes.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:53:53 · ≈ 12:53 PM

OK, great. So so for neighbors hearing this is not just the complaint system isn't the end all be all of verifying that the scrubbers are actually working and installed etc..

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:54:06 · ≈ 12:54 PM

Correct.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:54:06 · ≈ 12:54 PM

Yeah, that's correct it's a backstop. Okay it's a backstop I think that's really helpful terminology on that so appreciate that so and then also too with the complaint system like a hiccup or big barrier has been this verification of the complaint is that also an element of this of what you're envisioning here?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:54:27 · ≈ 12:54 PM

So the verification of the complaint is staff at the property line with a nasal ranger picking up the odor. That's how we can verify the complaint, and so where are we getting complaints about problem areas? We would be going out there to check that. That's how we would verify it.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:54:50 · ≈ 12:54 PM

But again, according to neighbors their complaints have not been recorded or acted upon because they couldn't be verified. And tell me is I'm hoping that that is no longer going to be a factor that if there doesn't need to be a verification?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:55:11 · ≈ 12:55 PM

So Madam Chair, I think what our problem was the previous threshold was inoperable essentially. I mean it was odors being detected in a residential zone Okay. So with the threshold that we have now, if we get complaints, we will be going out to that area where we're getting the complaints and doing testing. So there will be a response to complaints and we will do our best to verify in that area what level of odor there is. And if it is exceeding the threshold then we will be taking action.

We recognize that sometimes odors might be happening at different times of the day and evening. And so we have, we understand that and can do some inspection at the property line not going into the facility but in hours that are outside of regular business hours for the department. We have talked about that because we know you know I'm not probably gonna have a staff there at 3 a.m., but we could have somebody out going at different different times

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:56:25 · ≈ 12:56 PM

Okay, so again the as described here the complaint system is a backstop. Correct. For for staff inspections.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:56:33 · ≈ 12:56 PM

Correct okay but I just want to assure you we will be responding to complaints that we hear from the community. I

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:56:39 · ≈ 12:56 PM

understand

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed3:56:39 · ≈ 12:56 PM

good

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:56:41 · ≈ 12:56 PM

okay those are my questions Supervisor Lavinio.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:56:44 · ≈ 12:56 PM

Thank you so who do we have on staff that's qualified on the nasal range how many people do we have?

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CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:56:52 · ≈ 12:56 PM

Madam Chair and Supervisor Lavagnino, we have a number of staff in the division who have been tested. We have two compliance planners that are full-time compliance planners that have been tested and will be able to deploy the device in the field. Myself, Supervisor Petroleva, we also have Geosyntec consultants available to us so You know, let's just say somebody is out of the office that day. Two people are out of the office that day. We have a pretty deep roster of folks that are capable of using the device.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:57:23 · ≈ 12:57 PM

Great

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:57:23 · ≈ 12:57 PM

good to

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:57:23 · ≈ 12:57 PM

hear. Okay and then how do you know? So this has been the problem because these all concentrated generally they're concentrated together so the property lines are not that far away in some areas from each other. So how we going to stop the problem that we've had when you're sitting there with the nasal ranger and you're not sure you're getting it from the guy behind you Yeah, good question.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:57:47 · ≈ 12:57 PM

So Supervisor Lavagnino the procedures that are outlined in the ordinance when we run into a situation where we're standing on a property line and we're not 100% sure who it is and we do have a circumstance where two operations are adjacent to each other we would put both operations through those procedures. Okay And then, you know, hopefully both of them would prove out and they would ensure that both of their systems are operating the way that they were designed.

And the odor would be relieved.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:58:20 · ≈ 12:58 PM

My last question is so when you have the nasal ranger and we're determining whether it's over a 4D over T or 7D over T Is that cannabis specific smell?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction3:58:34 · ≈ 12:58 PM

Yes, it is. And we recognize that there are other odors in the community but when you're using the device we would act on odors that are verifiable as cannabis. We're not going to be acting on manure or broccoli or other odors. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.903:58:54 · ≈ 12:58 PM

It would be cool to I would like to actually smell. I mean, I'd actually I don't want to get certified in the nasal ranger, but I mean, I think I'm aptly qualified to be a really good operator. We would love to have you. OK, I want to try it out. Yeah.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.753:59:14 · ≈ 12:59 PM

OK. Supervisor Lee?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction3:59:17 · ≈ 12:59 PM

My comments, I would like to get away from complaint system because it seems like from the residents and the growers that it doesn't work and they feel that is broken. I would support and favor more of a random testing that's done consistently. But there is opportunity that technology and app that is out there with the City of Carpinteria, that we can modify to include cannabis reporting that has location detection in it. So I think that's something we should look into.

Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:59:49 · ≈ 12:59 PM

Lee,

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction3:59:49 · ≈ 12:59 PM

could you

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.923:59:50 · ≈ 12:59 PM

expand on that so we understand better what you're suggesting? A collaboration between the county and the City of Carpinteria on complaints.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction3:59:58 · ≈ 12:59 PM

Correct. So the City of Carpinteria has an app that anyone can download today. And under that you can do requests. And the City of Carpinteria I spoke to they said they would like to modify it in our section for cannabis complaints. Residents in Carpinteria Valley can go and submit these complaints to the county, and they can give it to us. And we have data showing which location in the Carpinteria Valley that has these violations.

So it's there. It's possible. We just have to work with them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:00:30 · ≈ 1:00 PM

Supervisor Lee through the chair. So we have talked to some of our IT people and there could be a service that's provided through Acela, that we might be able to have a similar type of system it does have a cost associated with it so we need to do some additional research but there is the potential that we could have a system at the county which I think is preferable Rather than having to have something from the City of Carpinteria.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction4:00:59 · ≈ 1:00 PM

We can look at both options and as far as a DT I would like to see that four be the violation not seven and The nasal ranger, I think all of us should try it. I will love to See how my nose smells Okay

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:01:15 · ≈ 1:01 PM

Yeah

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:01:21 · ≈ 1:01 PM

I agree that the complaint systems just doesn't it just doesn't hasn't worked in past. But I think it's there's a lot of reasons why but I think I also before we started this, I was hoping that we would eliminate it and just have staff go out and do the inspections. The problem is if you eliminate a complaint system. The person smelling it now is going to do what they're still gonna want to call somebody at We've got to take a step of yes, we're still going to accept your complaint.

Because it's just like a noise and noise variance somebody is going to call the county and say it's too loud they're going to call and say it smells but I think having both of those of having a roving County person doing nasal ranger tests periodically and also receiving complaints is better than what we've had. But I think of just eliminating it, I've kind of gone back and forth in this meeting but I've kind of come to the realization that if we eliminate it people are still going to call anyway and I don't know...

It just seems like we'd be ignoring them at that point so I mean it feels like we're ignoring them now because the complaint system hasn't really worked but doing away with it I think might might be counterproductive

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:02:41 · ≈ 1:02 PM

Supervisor Hartman. This is a broader point, but I want to get it on the record. We've heard especially Supervisor Nelson talk about we've got a lot of good ordinances wake you up here and we don't enforce them and I don't know. We probably have our special topics already for budget, but I think we need to talk about enforcement in a more comprehensive way It comes up in cannabis, it comes up in short-term rentals.

As you mentioned noise we heard last time about the hot spring trail and very much in the context of now the Santa Maria River or dangerous areas of homeless encampments that have been removed and preventing resettlement so I think we need to You know, is there an efficient way that we can have a team that handles maybe these different things? So I think we need to get more proactive. And the question is how do we do that and it's a bigger question than just cannabis.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:03:50 · ≈ 1:03 PM

Okay, I think we're sliding into deliberation. So before we do that, I would like to give the public a chance to provide comment and maybe we'll hear about their interactions with the complaint system going forward. Maybe not. Okay, Madam Clerk, public comment please. Chair

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:04:06 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Kaps and members of the board, we currently have nine requests to speak on both of these items combined. We're going to begin on Zoom with Lorraine McIntyre to be followed by Anna Carrillo.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed4:04:26 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Hello, this is Lorraine McIntyre from Carpentria. Can you hear me okay? Yep

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:04:32 · ≈ 1:04 PM

yes we can please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 25Proposed4:04:34 · ≈ 1:04 PM

Yeah thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to speak today I've been on the zoom call on and off since nine o'clock this morning but listening to the whole hearing today I find it very interesting but first of all what i'd like to say is that cannabis growers you know they are farmers they're not criminals And if this were garlic, would we be having the same level of discussion as we're having now with cannabis? But regardless of all of that, regarding the complaints I do want to remind you that the coalition member admitted herself that she's filed over 100 complaints herself. And I would imagine of the thousands of complaints that you've received It's probably amongst the very few people just filing multiple complaints. And I understand the enforcement and the response to the complaints has been an issue leading to more and more continued calling, but I would encourage the board to not nasal ranger detection to below a seven because the technology could change over the years where you could get a reading of five and six right now you're saying it jumps from four to seven But don't make it a four.

Make it the violation, still a seven because I think that's reasonable and that's what other enforcement levels are measured at. And also I wanted to say are we recreating the wheel here? I don't know how much you've benchmarked off of Denver or Colorado and why there Cannabis isn't so much of an issue for the residents there. What have they done differently to make it so successful? And then, the final thing I'd like to say is that I do agree with Roy in that I would encourage you to allow at least one extension especially if you've got issues with contractors and getting the power and permitting and things like that because That's something that's out of control of the cannabis. And again, these are farmers, they're not criminals.

So thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to speak.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:06:47 · ≈ 1:06 PM

Thank you and before we get to the next person I'm just going to close public comment.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:06:51 · ≈ 1:06 PM

We will now go to Anna Carrillo to be followed by Mark Byers. Anna?

CommentAnika RioProposedself-stated4:06:55 · ≈ 1:06 PM

Okay

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:07:03 · ≈ 1:07 PM

can you hear me now? Yes, yes we can. Please proceed.

CommentAnika RioProposedself-stated4:07:06 · ≈ 1:07 PM

Okay I'm Anika Rio and sorry I need to do this via Zoom. Um I would like you to think about a gas chromatography um you know to measure the odor at the vents it's the only system known to identify the source of the odor when you go to measure at the property line where are you going to measure it at the property line? I'm looking at a nine acre parcel that has property lines all the way around We know that the odor from that one travels almost a mile to sits in residences at an EDRN at La Mirada. So, that's the problem with measuring at the property line may not notice anything there but at La Mirada it is there.

I think you should adopt a compliance program that is proactive That would include the runtime meters, you've talked about that. The replacement of the carbon filters, that's been discussed. The growers must be responsible for detecting whether their odor is escaping from their vents. They must document this via the internet computer system. Growers must let the county know when there have been odor incidences and have them have the corrections verified. The use of the nasal ranger, it's only calibrated to go from 60 to 30 to 7 to 4 to 2. That's the problem with the nasal ranger. I looked at the manuals to find out what they could be calibrated at.

The use can be a little subjective. And then about the time lag, if someone's waking up at night at 3am and okay gets up reports. You know, at 9 o'clock logs it in someone maybe comes out there at 12 o'clock to measure it which is way too late for immediacy. Okay. There should be no extensions, but I can understand that you're talking about an extension for maybe a year. We've been dealing with this for the last seven years.

The biggest problem is enforcement. We have no way to do the enforcement. I think the enforcement needs to come through the renewal of the business license. So every year when there's a renewal of a business license, that's when odor incidences are looked at And as I understand right now, that is not included in the renewal process. And I think it should be included because if there are odor incidences then that would be something that could cause someone to lose their license.

I think the public needs to be notified when the new OAPs are submitted, because the only information they have is from seven years ago when an initial application was applied. And also the public needs to be notified when the cannabis operation is in their annual review period that could be publicized in the newspaper. Thank you very much.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:10:06 · ≈ 1:10 PM

We will now go to Mark Byers to be followed by Autumn Shelton.

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CommentMark Byers I'mProposedself-stated4:10:14 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Hi, can you hear me?

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:10:16 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Yes we can please proceed.

CommentMark Byers I'mProposedself-stated4:10:18 · ≈ 1:10 PM

Okay Chairman Kaps and board members my name is Mark Byers I'm the founder of Byer Scientific our carbon scrubber systems are deployed in cannabis facilities all across the United States and internationally it was my company that Was the first in the world to identify the sulfur-based compounds that give cannabis its skunk like odor profile. That depth of scientific research and understanding informs our odor control system designs. In Carpinteria, we have had carbon scrubber systems deployed for over three years preceding the InVinity scrubbers and have had no odor complaints in three years as corroborated by Petroleum code enforcement.

The phrase multi-phase or multi-technology is misunderstood, it's misstated and it's not accurate. And I would like to help the board understand that first of all PCO or photocatalytic oxidation is in fact not an odor control technology. Odors are gases and they're best mitigated by absorption into carbon. PCO itself does not address odors Now, it can potentially make the carbon last longer when there's a catalyst. In the example in Carpinteria, the catalyst is the titanium dioxide impregnated carbon that the Indentity scrubbers use. But PCO by itself, in fact, in high humidity environments can actually create secondary carcinogens including specifically aldehydes and formaldehydes that we have in fact tested this.

With respect to the Tyox carbon cylinders and the Invenity scrubbers, the statement that carbon lasts 5-10 years is in fact a myth and extremely misleading. The actual intellectual property owner of this technology is in fact my business partner in Holland. And the process can make carbon last five times longer, not five years longer and that's a big distinction.

So if those carbon cylinders for instance would typically last six months for example in the particular environment that they're in then they might last five times longer than that But the statement five years is absolutely misleading. The sellers of the Invenity units actually usurped the joint venture in Holland, they bastardized a stolen technology and have misled a remote market in Carpinteria. For the record SCS engineers studied our systems and provided documentation demonstrating 93% odor removal Because of the correct carbon selection and our unique understanding of the gas phase emission rate of a canopy. So, the question is actually not one of efficiency and efficacy. Bioscientific has proven that it's actually a question of affordability.

We are able to provide carbon scrubber systems to end cultivator in Santa Barbara County and across the United States with a lower five-year cost of ownership than any competitor and we offer equipment financing. Thank you.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:13:12 · ≈ 1:13 PM

We will now go to Autumn Shelton, then we will go to Santa Maria for Colin Dvorak. Autumn? Can you hear me? Yes, we can please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 26Proposed4:13:29 · ≈ 1:13 PM

Thank you. I think the one most important topic that hasn't been discussed is the data, and all I ask is that you really base your decisions today in such a huge change to ordinance that you really have the data to make this change. Now, the report that was done on the carbon scrubbers was done by a grower and the owner of Infinity Scrubbers. Which I have no disrespect to my colleagues, but typically when you do a data.

When you do research and you figure out what the data really is, you look at multiple resources. So, I really believe that the county should be doing more research on scrubbers to see if they actually can work. Because just making this decision based on one report that was done four years ago may not provide you with the information I really looking for. And you go and implement something that forces people to spend millions of dollars, and it doesn't actually work.

Oops, let's try again is pretty a pretty awful thing to do to people. So I would request that you actually do some research on the scrubbers to make sure that they do work my other requests would be I know that You know, some people may not care that the industry is hurting and that there's not a lot of money to be able to pay for these or afford these. And there's not a lot of options in the cannabis industry to get financing for these.

So if the county could provide some type of tax credit where we defer taxes or there's a, in some way there's tax credit to help us afford these scrubbers, that would also be really greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:15:17 · ≈ 1:15 PM

We will now go to Santa Maria with Colin Dvorak, then we will return to Santa Barbara with Eric Edwards. Colin?

CommentColin DvorakProposed4:15:24 · ≈ 1:15 PM

Yes thank you. Chair Capps, Supervisors. I've got three points that I would like to bring up today. First of all thank you guys so much for the deliberation on all this and I can tell everyone's working so hard staff has gotten so much more sophisticated with all this in this last year couple of years. My three points that I wanted to bring up again and I think they've been discussed already or most of them.

The first is an open market for technology so everyone wins in free markets. The second is the 70 over T violation, whatever that number is at the property line or the nearest unapproved property line. The 3rd is to allow for site specific design by qualified engineers are our sites are all different so first Supervisor Hartman, we were talking about and we just had Mark Byers and some people kind of bring this up. You can tell we've just created a massive market. And I'm a consumer in this market, this carbon scrubber market now. This heat that is being created amongst these different manufacturers is good for us as a free-market economy You know, they compete. They make better technology. You guys get more scrubbing and we get it more cost efficient.

I just want to make sure that we protect that environment, that we're making sure that we can let them continue to churn like that. For me as a consumer right now it seems like the InVinity is really expensive but might last longer with fewer you know less maintenance costs and then the The next to the detection of the property line. A lot And that we have worked very hard to maintain, you know those healthy relationships.

It hasn't been brought up today that why don't we have a detection at the property line or if that property line, if that neighbor is nothing but trees or farmland and the neighbors sign off on it, why can't we have a detection at that next property line? The third, again Supervisor Nelson this is it's a big topic. You're talking about engineers doing math of you know cycling air how much air is being run through scrubbers at what time? What's the scrubber? What's the carbon density? What's the humidity? What that environment like? Let's let smart people do math and site-specific math and make sure that we get the best technology the most efficient. We don't need to waste your guys' time or our resources thank you so much

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:18:17 · ≈ 1:18 PM

We will now return to Santa Barbara with Eric Edwards, to be followed by Whitney Cauley. Eric?

PresenterEric EdwardsHeadwatersProposedself-stated4:18:28 · ≈ 1:18 PM

Good afternoon Chair Kafts, Supervisors. Thank you for the opportunity to comment. My name is Eric Edwards and I represent Headwaters, a carpentry-based cultivator. We appreciate the challenge it's been grappling with all of the nuanced issues surrounding cannabis policy and odor in particular. In general, Headwater supports the board's directions here today.

We acknowledge that technology has evolved and fully support the transition toward multi-technology carbon filtration for our operations. We only ask that this board apply sound reasoning to its approach to balance the needs of the community of which our operation and our over 300 employees are surely intertwined with the realities that operators here face in Santa Barbara County.

We need to provide stability and sustainability to the industry. We feel that a threshold exceeding 70 over T strikes this correct balance. We also support the use of the nasal ranger. At present, it's the best and most practical tool for the job. As we all become more familiar with its strengths and limitations, and as a predicate to enforcement, we urge this board to adopt a policy requiring two separate three-meter readings taken at least 15 minutes apart within a one hour window.

This will help provide for better enforcement data, filter out potential false positives, and is in alignment with the manufacturer's best practices. And of course, any type of tax relief would be greatly appreciated. We recognize that your work here today is not easy and that many in the community feel ignored and unheard. I want to ensure the board and community that we're listening and we're here speaking today not in opposition but in general support of today's direction. And we look forward to this next chapter for the community industry. Thank you for your opportunity to comment.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:20:17 · ≈ 1:20 PM

We will now go to Whitney Cololo. My apologies for mispronouncing To be followed by Paul Roberts. Whitney?

PresenterWhitney Collie I'mcompliance at Coastal Blooms Nursery We operate three cultivation greenhouses inProposedself-stated4:20:26 · ≈ 1:20 PM

Good afternoon, my name is Whitney Collie I'm the vice president of compliance at Coastal Blooms Nursery We operate three cultivation greenhouses in Carpinteria Everbloom roadside and Roadside which have had invinity scrubbers installed since early 2022 and maximum where scrubbers are currently being installed we face delays at that site due to power issues but expect all scrubbers to be installed by next week We are supportive of the technology change to scrubbers. We have been very pleased with the performance of our scrubbers and our neighbors have commented the same.

We believe the nasal ranger is the best tool currently available for real-time in the field odor testing based on conversations with odor experts and our research on the nasal ranger recommendations We would like to see the dilution threshold standard for a violation set as not to exceed 7D over T. The nasal ranger manual which reads dilution thresholds at 2, 4, 7, 15, 30 and 60 defines a reading of 4D over T as faint, 7D over T as noticeable and 15D over t as strong.

A 15D over T appears to be the lowest level where some might experience odor to be offensive. Secondly, we feel changes should be made to the language related to complaints. The community has requested that the burden of policing odors be handled by the county. We believe complaint handling and follow-up is a responsibility of planning and development staff and suggest removing public complaint triggers of staff visits in the ordinance. Inspection should be conducted at staff discretion and odor issues found trigger a violation. Community complaints could still be used by staff to gather data We will now go to Paul Roberts to be followed by Tad McKenzie. Paul? Good afternoon, I'm Paul Roberts.

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CommentPaul RobertsProposed4:22:31 · ≈ 1:22 PM

For Supervisor Levin, you know if you wanted to go home with me today there's the smell of cannabis on Cravens Lane. I smelled it at 1230. It's more than a seven. Just based upon my own personal ranger. So it's, and this is my official complaint with respect to that so that the planning people can acknowledge that and recognize that it's a ongoing problem. With respect to the specifics of what's pending before you today with regard to the 12 months and assuming it begins in April 1st 2025 I think it would be helpful If you required the growers to submit every 90 days a report to you to demonstrate their status of achieving what you're setting for them, the goal that you're setting for them which is the carbon scrubbers or best available technology.

I'm concerned that recognizing that from the residents point of view we don't trust them We are trying to trust the diligence of the staff, remembering for me when I attended a Planning Commission meeting and I heard from the planning staff that there had been no verified complaints out of the 3,400, 3,700. No verified complaints and it's a little bit offensive to us because we're not doing this.

Here I am, I'm making a verified complaint right now. I'll be sworn. So I guess the complaint thing is really it's a painful topic if Supervisor Lee has the app and the county can adopt that app so that we could use it but again, I smelled it today If the county came out tomorrow, my suspicion is it's not going to be in the same place. And it was a powerful scent and we don't confuse it with lemons, oranges, avocados. It's cannabis and it's powerful when we get it into our home so but you already know that I'm concerned that with the expiration of 12 months, it's inevitable that there's going to be hardship claims and I detected That word hardship is not really being used because it's another kind of offensive thing for us, because it's seven years and here we are.

I don't want to be taking your time. I don't want staff to have to do this. Maybe I'm up. And so just one other thing. I heard that the county and staff is spending time with respect to Southern California Edison. Shouldn't it work the other way? So that the grower has to contact Edison get it done? Thank you very much.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:25:15 · ≈ 1:25 PM

We will now go to Tad McKenzie to be followed by Jared Ficker. Tad? Good

CommentTad McKenzieProposedself-stated4:25:22 · ≈ 1:25 PM

afternoon, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak. I'm Tad McKenzie with Pacific Dutch Group we operate a number of locations in Carpinteria A couple of our locations are actually quite far from anything essentially, and none of our neighbors have ever complained to us. And to the best my knowledge we've never received any complaints at those locations ever from anybody. In fact some of our neighbors are pleased that we changed our crop to cannabis from chives because it's just not nearly as offensive as the chives were.

One of the things that I wanted to bring up is the timing considerations. And frankly, we've had a number of projects going through the county system and none of them have taken 12 months. In fact most of them all of them have taken multiple years. Considering that we believe that the extension should be ministerial at 12 months to account for the time needed for permitting supply chains and construction Another point that we wanted to bring up is that, to help with the speed of implementation of the scrubbers. We believe that there should be a tax credit offered against the gross receipts taxes. We've paid a substantial amount of the taxes that have been collected in the county and it's going to be a very substantial cost to us to install the required scrubbers as well as the power infrastructure that's required for our projects In addition to that, we believe that measurement at the property line is a substantial change from the original ordinance.

We have questions about the legality of it being applied retroactively and we want to ensure that you guys are aware of that Also, we have one location that we've converted to nursery only to help with To help take care of some of the odor complaints near the high school We were required to put We will now go to Jared Ficker to be followed by Lionel Neff.

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CommentTsunami Preparedness WeekProposed · by introduction4:27:42 · ≈ 1:27 PM

Hi, Jared Ficker Chair Caps and members of the board. Pleasure to be here. Look I think we've been clear now for a couple meetings at least that Carp Growers, I'm representing Carp Growers, we support the adoption of multi-technology scrubbers. Carp Growers members contributed significantly to actually innovating this technology and of course we want to see it implemented I think the devil's in the details. And, I think what's been done here is a pretty extraordinary amount of work. Everyone should be proud that in theory here if this is adopted this could be the most comprehensive ordinance odor ordinance related to cannabis that we would see in the nation.

So a lot of good work has been done here. I think what is needed just some additional refinements, I believe myself and several of our members have talked to a number of the board members and staff over the time and have made some suggestions and I'll just have a few on some of our colleagues have already recommended or spoke to those but first and foremost on the 12-month implementation period. I do believe we all have had extensive experience that it takes a lot of time to get things like electrical permits and other things And so maybe we should turn that on its head and for apps.

We discussed this with Supervisor Lee recently where we actually require that an application for these be submitted in you know, three or four months called 120 days. So then we can see exactly what is happening related to the permitting and the implementation thereafter. There's a lot of things related to actually implementing this that are not in control of the operators. And so that would I think be a little bit better indication of people making progress is let's look at it on the front end not the back end.

Secondly, if an operator has met that initial application and submitted that. If there are delays related to permitting power upgrades what have you things not totally in their control that the first extension could be ministerial I understand the desire to bring some things back to the board but if it's going to be coming back to the board you can still come in and look at those issues and discover those but, and what the problems are. We'd be happy to inform you along the way but we're potentially making a very burdensome process for things like an electrical permit isn't being issued in a timely manner.

A couple other things that I would like to mention We did put a letter on file so there's a lot of detail in there. It would be nice to see we've discussed it at many times, we've gotten nods from members of the board but if you could give direction today to staff come back with some options to consider a tax credit I think the objective here cannabis is very unique and it's one of the few industries that's taxed on their gross receipts. It's very expensive If you want to see rapid implementation of carbon scrubbers and not have a barrier of economic hardship, I think there's a way we could work out a tax credit against taxes being paid already for existence in the county and see if we can use that for either purchase of the carbon scrubbers.

And in many cases some of the biggest costs are the power upgrades and so looking at those options. So if you could give direction to the staff to come back with some options of accrediting program, I do think if the objective is rapid deployment let's figure out some ways to do that quickly. And then finally two final items one we would recommend trailing the implementation of the application of an odor threshold that property line Until folks have installed scrubbers. So we could spend a lot of time over the next six to nine months to 12 months focusing on application of the ODOR threshold and detection and measuring that, but we're also trying to quickly work on implementing carbon scrubbers. And so I think those policy things seem to be out of phase.

So I would strongly recommend trailing application of the ODOR threshold initiative And match that to implementation of the technology that is indeed designed to try and address those atoms. So I think we're potentially frustrating the process to implement carbon scrubbers quickly.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:31:57 · ≈ 1:31 PM

Thank you, Jared. That is your time. We will now go to Lionel Neff who's our final speaker. Lionel?

PresenterLionel NeffSanta Barbara Coalition for Responsible CannabisProposedself-stated4:32:13 · ≈ 1:32 PM

Madam Chairperson, members of the board thank you very much for this opportunity. My name is Lionel Neff and I'm with the Santa Barbara Coalition for Responsible Cannabis. I've been or should I say we have been at this since 2018 and been involved in multiple lawsuits, multiple appeals, I mean you name it we've been doing it There's some assertions that the InVinity scrubber system doesn't work. Well, I could assure you it's very effective. It's actually been in the field for three years now. They haven't had to change the filters. It has been extremely effective.

Supervisor Nelson brought up the issue of the amount of odor at the vents Now if you install, I have been actually corresponding with Simon Vandenberg who is the president of NVIDIDI in Holland regarding how many would be an effective minimum. And they did multiple testing on this. Ed Van Wingerden spent $250,000 testing this and NVIDIDI spent 750,000 testing them to come at the to come to the conclusion that you need a minimum of 10 per acre.

And if you go to the ten per acre, you don't have to worry about this odors at the property line because what's being emitted out of the building is anywhere between 84 and 88 percent reduction in odor. And as far as the difference in scrubbers, the multi tech That we're talking about here is extremely effective because you have a pre-ionization chamber that takes all the particulates, destroys them and only a small percentage of that makes it into the filters. So the filters last a much, much, much longer time. There are other filters out there but they weren't designed with a cannabis industry in mind. The InVinity started with a clean piece of paper They designed it for this purpose and this purpose only, and it has proved to be extremely effective.

I have no investment in it. The only thing I care about is that the odor's eliminated in Carpinteria. And that's all I really want. So again, thank you very much. Goodbye.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction4:34:45 · ≈ 1:34 PM

And that concludes public comment on departmental item number 5 and department item number 6.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:34:50 · ≈ 1:34 PM

Okay so we have a lot before us I think the best way to do this is to just see if there's any questions from the board based on I'm going to go ahead and open it up for questions. And then we'll take a look at new site new ideas what you've heard from public comment et cetera and did not get into deliberation yet and then figure out how we deliberate on the several items before us so questions. Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:35:14 · ≈ 1:35 PM

Two questions the first has odor control plan comes and the annual review, how difficult would it be if not to send notice to have something on our website?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:35:42 · ≈ 1:35 PM

Supervisor Hartman through the chair, we actually did talk about that at the Planning Commission and we mentioned that we could post on our website the OAPs that are submitted in the status of those OAP's.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:35:58 · ≈ 1:35 PM

Is that a big administrative burden or is that fairly?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:36:01 · ≈ 1:36 PM

I

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:36:01 · ≈ 1:36 PM

don't

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:36:01 · ≈ 1:36 PM

think so. I think we can make that work

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:36:05 · ≈ 1:36 PM

And that wouldn't have to be part of the ordinance, but we could give correction for that correct and and the other question is is And I'm not sure who this goes to but but the question of deferred tax. I don't think we do that in the county And we don't have our treasurer tax collector here anymore, but maybe our CEO can address that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:36:26 · ≈ 1:36 PM

We'd have to look at that Right now I don't think any of our ordinances allow for that at all and if the board's preference is to look at that, I would look at your next item today is on how much cannabis tax revenue and how we collect it. And we're oversubscribed but I'd recommend looking at those revenues to see one-time revenues work with council about what's an appropriate way that's not a gift of public funds But rather than complicating our tax structure and our ordinances regarding the tax collection, which is hard as you know already hard to do.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:37:06 · ≈ 1:37 PM

Supervisor Lee?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction4:37:07 · ≈ 1:37 PM

Can staff talk about chromatography? What is that and is that something that we can use as a pilot program in addition to nasal rangers?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:37:25 · ≈ 1:37 PM

So Madam Chair and Supervisor Lee, we have Megan Klein from Geocintic who can talk about gas chromatography. Could you please repeat your question though so she gets it?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction4:37:35 · ≈ 1:37 PM

Just can you give a brief description about what it is and is it possible that we create apply program based off that for order abatement control?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:37:44 · ≈ 1:37 PM

Just to make sure I heard the question, you're asking me to define it and then what was the second

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction4:37:48 · ≈ 1:37 PM

part? Define it as a possible as a pilot program for us to implement here in our order.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:37:56 · ≈ 1:37 PM

So gas chromatography mass spectrometer is a tool used to analyze samples to give you concentration data on the chemical compounds in the sample analyzed. It's a sophisticated tool, it's also costly to set up and operate especially some of the devices have been suggested for this program locally so the cost was decided to be a barrier for this program especially in terms of being implemented by county staff There's a high level of technical training and expertise also required to operate these types of tools, which the county staff don't necessarily have.

Which would then make them dependent on a third party consultant or technician to run and operate that type of tooling and collect that data, analyze the data, give them the results. So that was why it was not prioritized as the tool for this use. And that's why we landed on the nasal ranger because its cost effective, its accessible, its available People can be trained to use it effectively if they are within the sensitivity testing range for odor. Yeah, and it's available and it's mobile.

The team can effectively use it throughout Carpinteria Valley. Did I answer your question? Okay, thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:39:16 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Supervisor Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:39:18 · ≈ 1:39 PM

Yes, thank you Chair Kapsch. Odor abatement plans when those When there's a violation and you guys are going to go back and look at and try to do the investigating and figure out why that odor abatement plan was unsuccessful, right? Whether operator error like they weren't fulfilling their regular maintenance. Just kind of walk me through how that process would look like on your end and how long even that would take for us to dive into that.

kind of curious once that violation occurs and we sit down with them and you know oh yeah somebody missed a maintenance, you know that it shows there's no records. That's why it's not happening here actually probably could be good for operators to show that they messed up and so they don't have to rewrite it. They should just speak in compliance moving forward what other ways are you guys you know thinking about how that process would work when you sit down with an operator to evaluate why there is a violation?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:40:10 · ≈ 1:40 PM

Sure so Madam Chair and Supervisor Nelson There were kind of three levels that we would work through starting with the easiest or lowest level where an operator would take a look at their equipment, make sure that it's operating, make sure everything is plugged in, make sure the carbon is changed out. We think that we could get through that step pretty quickly and that would be very easy for both parties to work through.

Days? Yeah, days. The second step would be a little bit more involved where they go back and they look at their strategies and that would be a little bit more involved we would likely have our consultant involved in steps two and three because they're a little bit more technically based And then if at the end of the day we work through the first two steps and we found that an operator's equipment was working, and everything was in order. And they were still generating nuisance odor and we had to go to the third step.

That third step really involves them going back to the drawing board and enhancing their OAP. And of course that would require a revision to the permit. That would require our review conjunction with our consultant so that third step is going to take a little bit more time.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:41:25 · ≈ 1:41 PM

And on those three steps, how much does the public can be aware? Let's just say there's an operator out there ABC operators that you know they're you know they've gone through those steps you know will the public be aware of that especially when that's a constant emitter of nuisance odor?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:41:43 · ≈ 1:41 PM

So I think there's two ways to look at that there's the The forward facing information that staff would be pushing out. That would be probably fairly limited with the notable exception of what we discussed about OAP revisions being posted on the website. in response to Ms. Carrillo's comments, so if we do get to that level three and an operator did come in for an OAP change, we would have that posted on the site. If we were simply engaged in levels one and two, that would be more of an internal process, and certainly if we had a concerned member of the public who really wanted to check in on the process and wanted to proactively contact staff, we would be happy to discuss that with them but I don't think that on levels one and two we would really be pushing information out to the community.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:42:31 · ≈ 1:42 PM

Would they be under an NOV at that point, though? That would be a formal NOV. So it'd be in our typical process where there actually is something that there's actually case number with it?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:42:41 · ≈ 1:42 PM

That's correct.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:42:42 · ≈ 1:42 PM

Okay I think that's actually important because I think that documents the fact that it's out there and I think we can bring up NOVs upon request to know what's out there. That's public information on a limited basis. Okay that's helpful. I think that's good for the public to hear that because Again, my overall goal is that we're not getting the NOVs. That people are going to be stalling the technology, that we're going to have OAPs that are going to do better than just get to 70 over T or 40 over T at the property line so this is kind of a moot issue.

That's the goal of this board and as we're trying to wrestle with this but I think it's also helpful for many of us to feel comforted that there would be a process if it just doesn't hit the mark. Thank

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:43:30 · ≈ 1:43 PM

you. Okay,

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:43:36 · ≈ 1:43 PM

I want to follow up on Supervisor Nelson's the violation okay so explain to me when I want to just figure out the mechanics of it we send a staff person out they have a nasal ranger they go to the property line and how exactly I'm reading geosynthetics What they'd like us to do. How are we really going to do it? I mean, what's the procedure? How long are they doing it?

Do they take a break? They do again? I mean how does it all work?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:44:10 · ≈ 1:44 PM

So Madam Chair and Supervisor Lavinino, we have been discussing that in preparation of this eventually going live. We still have 12 months to get there and we're working on that but we do definitely have some thoughts and the first step would be to ensure that we have a number of staff who are capable of using the device and we've worked through that so we do have that in place And then we're going to be getting staff more comfortable using the device in the field as we move closer to that implementation period and then the actual interactions in the field.

We're envisioning that as kind of a two staff person approach where one person is utilizing the device, the other person is standing there in ambient air and saying hey I continue to smell ambient odors. Can you smell it in the device? And they're working together to determine that they are detecting odor. The threshold does specify a three minute time period So the odor and the intent of that is that you're detecting an odor that's persistent, not necessarily transient. And so if that odor is persistent over that three minute period, the two people who are responding in the field will be able to determine that.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:45:30 · ≈ 1:45 PM

OK. So that's the first portion of it so now we let's say we detect a 15 something crazy. And now we have do we notify the at that point to be notified that the grower at that point yes okay, so then we come back here you've given him a notice of violation I assume yes and then what happens from there. We would initiate the process that we discussed

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:45:53 · ≈ 1:45 PM

with Supervisor Nelson.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:45:57 · ≈ 1:45 PM

So go back and look at their OAP I mean, when you listen to some of the community they'd be like all right that guy loses his license. I just want folks to understand that we're gonna work through a process that might not make everybody happy but we're trying to get to as we always are at P&D, we wanna get to a place where the person's compliant.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:46:20 · ≈ 1:46 PM

Okay correct and you know just to give an example there could be very innocent reasons why things are not working like you walk through the facility and one of the filters is unplugged or it fell over, there are things that could be easily corrected on site in the moment that would rectify the situation. So I mean certainly we wanna give operators an opportunity to correct any deficiencies. Okay

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:46:46 · ≈ 1:46 PM

then my last one is just on the D over T so it's weird because I started thinking the guy that made the nasal ranger Also came up with scoring in tennis because it's like, it makes absolutely no sense. I don't know why you say I'm a 1-2-3-4-5 right? Love 15 30 45 so are we saying so Geocentech came in with a recommendation of 7 so is seven on their recommendation acceptable anything over seven is a violation That was the recommendation. I'm just trying to get the recommendation right first.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:47:24 · ≈ 1:47 PM

That was correct and that was based upon research that was done on other jurisdictions, what kind of thresholds are applied in other industries?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:47:34 · ≈ 1:47 PM

But what I'm hearing today is the board majority sounds like it would be seven would be a violation.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:47:39 · ≈ 1:47 PM

Correct. So we've gone a step further and being a little bit more restrictive than what other folks have done. Okay thanks.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:47:48 · ≈ 1:47 PM

On that point I had a question, where there is this technology and I've been there a few times and don't smell a thing but that's my nasal ranger. But have you done testing then? There yet with the nasal ranger outside Everbloom?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:48:04 · ≈ 1:48 PM

Yes.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:48:05 · ≈ 1:48 PM

Yeah?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction4:48:06 · ≈ 1:48 PM

Yes, and we can go into more detail if you have

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:48:09 · ≈ 1:48 PM

other questions. Because we had at the town hall on Friday a neighbor who lives literally 60 feet away or 60 yards away looks his kitchen window looks into it he proclaimed that over the last year couple years he has it's gone down 90-95 percent and so that's his that's his testing so do you have other have you been there with the nasal ranger if you could if you could talk about that Thank you.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:48:48 · ≈ 1:48 PM

Madam Chair and Supervisors, yes we have brought the nasal ranger to that facility. So I can speak to those moments in time where we've used the nasal ranger. I can't speak to all operation at that facility all-time but most recently outside of that facility and at the property line we were getting detections between zero and four and inside it was slightly higher but certainly odors appeared to be quite well mitigated also

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:49:16 · ≈ 1:49 PM

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:49:17 · ≈ 1:49 PM

Thank you. Did I answer your question? Yeah,

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:49:19 · ≈ 1:49 PM

you did.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:49:19 · ≈ 1:49 PM

Supervisor Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:49:20 · ≈ 1:49 PM

So inside the building you're getting what kind of reading 715? What do you think?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:49:26 · ≈ 1:49 PM

I believe seven was the highest.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:49:27 · ≈ 1:49 PM

Wow! Inside the building?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 27Proposed4:49:28 · ≈ 1:49 PM

Inside and not everywhere not pervasively but in areas based on that operation.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:49:33 · ≈ 1:49 PM

That's really impressive okay thank you

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:49:36 · ≈ 1:49 PM

super helpful Okay. All right, I'm open to guidance as we move through these two items. We could take 50 first which might seem simpler. And look at the recommendations of 50 and vote or trail it. What's the County Council is that a good way to approach these two items together?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:50:01 · ≈ 1:50 PM

Madam Chair, you can do it either way but I do recommend that they're separate motions on each one so if you want to do 50 and take action and then do WDC you could do that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:50:10 · ≈ 1:50 PM

Okay let's see if we can grapple with this. Let's put up there if you wouldn't mind putting up the recommendations of 50 of item number five and we can take those recommendations or take staff recommendation for to kind of guide our deliberation here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:50:37 · ≈ 1:50 PM

Chair Kaps and Board, the recommended actions are rather general. Okay however they would encompass all of those items that we just that Ms. Beck discussed in her presentation so the language in Chapter 50 being revised as she if you want us to summarize

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:50:58 · ≈ 1:50 PM

sure how about we So let's just take, does anyone have an issue want to talk about the definition of MTCF? Are we clear? I know that's been somewhat confusing. Are we good moving forward or equivalent? We're okay. No, I'm just going to go through these unless another board member has a better process. Number two would be requiring odor control affidavits for new and renewal applicants

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:51:28 · ≈ 1:51 PM

I just want to clarify on that. That's after you've, you're saying I implemented this correct? After the fact these aren't proactive saying I'm going to do this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:51:38 · ≈ 1:51 PM

Supervisor Leaveny note this is saying I implemented it and I'm running it in compliance with my odor abatement plan.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:51:49 · ≈ 1:51 PM

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:51:50 · ≈ 1:51 PM

Supervisor Hartman Now that's okay.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:51:52 · ≈ 1:51 PM

Okay, so then number three updating denial language and adding revocation language to include MTCF or equivalent and runtime meters I think that's just a clarifying we're good? Let's see, I think we can move on here then clarifying the requirement applies to cultivation processing and manufacturing facilities and requiring implementation on or before March 31st.

And just one extension is what the CEO's office is recommending as needed.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:52:25 · ≈ 1:52 PM

Supervisor Hartman. Let's see, I'm not sure about the extension which it goes but I have two points. I would propose one extension approved by the Planning Director and then the Board of Supervisors unless there are extraordinary circumstances out of the operator's control as determined by the Board of Supervisors so that it gives us a little flexibility and so I guess it has to do here with the extension

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed4:52:57 · ≈ 1:52 PM

Chair, Caps and Board just for clarity in Chapter 50 we're recommending that it's the County Executive Office as those extensions apply prior to Coastal Commission certification and then deferring to Chapter 35. And I think that's where Supervisor

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:53:13 · ≈ 1:53 PM

Hartman's language would be appropriate. Then the other issue which isn't here is, is the cap. And I would propose that we reduce the cap to issued permitted acreage in both the carpentry overlay area and inland.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:53:35 · ≈ 1:53 PM

I don't disagree with it but I didn't know anything about it until we just got here so I don' feel comfortable me voting on that I didn't even, that didn't even enter my mind as something that might be discussed today so.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:53:50 · ≈ 1:53 PM

Well let me...I would say that it is a way to reduce odor by reducing the source. It is a method and what's more, I really thought we were going to be dealing with odor more broadly. It has been narrowed to carpentry. So if we're ever gonna deal with an inland, it has to be on the work plan in another year away That means a whole bunch more operations will be permitted.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:54:18 · ≈ 1:54 PM

I'm not opposed to it, I mean, I don't think honestly the way the market is that we're ever going to fill up the North County market anyway and especially if you're talking about odor control on outdoor grows, I don't even know what that even looks like but then I just don't know if we're even allowed I mean bringing it under other controls seems like a stretch to me

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 15Proposed4:54:45 · ≈ 1:54 PM

but. Madam chair members of the board so I do believe the cap is part of chapter 50. However, and I don't think we've noticed that kind of amendment for today so my recommendation would be that if you'd like to include that as part of this amendment that you continue the item just so What they would like that cap change to be and so that you would have proposed language to consider.

Otherwise, you could always do it as a separate amendment later to Chapter 50. Didn't quite. Thank you. Supervisor Hartman my recommendation is that the board would like to consider any changes to the cap as part of chapter 50 amendments we continue the item just so it could be noticed for that and that the public come in calm comment on the cap alternatively if the word wanted to take action today, you could also bring back

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:55:56 · ≈ 1:55 PM

Thank you. I don't have any interest in continuing this item, but I am very supportive of you making changes on odor in your district and would welcome to do this in the next further step and if it just doesn't have to go through the Planning Commission that's even more simpler so but I would recommend that we stay on course with today's action

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:56:18 · ≈ 1:56 PM

Just to be clear, it would be reducing the cap in both areas. Right

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:56:22 · ≈ 1:56 PM

yeah great I'm all for your sense of what that should be and but I think doing it in a subsequent step would be preferable to me.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:56:33 · ≈ 1:56 PM

Supervisor, just some first information. We are planning to come back in May because as Ms. Zetterman, Ms. Beck described we were supposed to come back on changes regarding the sheriff's process on background checks and so we were planning to come back in May so we could come back with that other direction.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:56:50 · ≈ 1:56 PM

And would it be possible to put a hold on approving any newer permits during that time?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:57:02 · ≈ 1:57 PM

Supervisor Hartman through the chair, if we have an approved permit and they come in for us to issue that permit I think we would have to move forward because we don't have a moratorium. And same thing if a permit is in and we don' t have that many permits in but if they were ready to be approved we couldn't artificially hold that up.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:57:29 · ≈ 1:57 PM

There's nothing we can do today. I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:57:35 · ≈ 1:57 PM

wrote down the numbers, but they didn't make sense to me of North County. So there's 1575 that was what's in the bushel of what we could approve. But I thought you said there were 1760 already that was approved?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed4:57:50 · ≈ 1:57 PM

So Supervisor Labadino through the chair. So we have approved more acreage than there are licenses, so they can't get a license. So they're

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:58:04 · ≈ 1:58 PM

yeah. So we've already approved more than what the initial 1575 was. I'm just kind of curious how would you ever how would you get it below 1575?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:58:16 · ≈ 1:58 PM

Issued permit acreage is only 1019

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.904:58:21 · ≈ 1:58 PM

So you'd cut out those other people that already were in line, okay. I wouldn't be able to support that but we'll deal with that in May I guess and I'll learn more about it.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.924:58:30 · ≈ 1:58 PM

Yeah and they're already cut out because as you say they're over what the cap allows.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.754:58:40 · ≈ 1:58 PM

Well, so I'm interested in moving forward with Chapter 50 so that the clock starts on the 12 months immediately. And so and I'm also not in favor of multiple extensions just again given that this best available technology has been out has been studied found the study it's August 2022 and we've had a lot of indications I'm going to

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CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction4:59:27 · ≈ 1:59 PM

Were they available? I was just curious, you know since power and extensions seems to be one of those questions out there. You know it might be helpful to hear from them. I'm sure they've looked at the issue and they probably know every one of these locations that are in question and have been queried already by many of them since they've had already a year that this discussion has been going on.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 28Proposed5:00:06 · ≈ 2:00 PM

Hi, good afternoon everyone. Thank you for having me. Just to answer some of the questions and certainly am able to answer additional questions should you have any additional ones. We have been working with the county for I would say at least the last six months if not longer specifically looking at the operators in that area and the load capacity concerns Our engineering team took a good look at the information provided over the last couple of months, and we do not believe that there is a load capacity issue. Meaning we wouldn't need to upgrade any circuit lines or build any new circuits to provide energy to the operators for this particular ordinance. That being said if there are some upgrades needed on For instance, they may need a panel upgrade in order to bring on this new technology.

They would need to apply with our local planning department as any other customer would for any type of new service or upgrade to their existing service and so that may take some time. During this board meeting I did poke my head around to my neighbor who is one of the senior leaders in our planning department And she said based upon the information, you know being in compliance within the next 12 months and if somebody were to be awarded an additional 12 month extension.

She saw no issues with Edison being able to provide those upgrade or new services to those customers within that time frame. That being said, there are unforeseen circumstances that may occur as well. But certainly Edison would be communicating with the operator directly on any delays that may be on our end. We certainly as with any project suggest that the operators contact SCE as soon as possible if they note these upgrades are needed on their end so that those projects can get into our system we can get the information needed from And we can start working on those projects immediately.

Again, I've been working with county staff who have been amazing during this process and will continue to do so. And if issues do arise, we can certainly address those one-on-one. I am always available to you, the Board of Supervisors, to county staff to assist in any situation that may arise during, As operators are coming into compliance with this ordinance. So I hope that answers the questions that have been asked during the hearing and if there's any other questions, I'm here to answer them. Thank you.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:02:48 · ≈ 2:02 PM

That was very helpful. Thank thank you.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:02:52 · ≈ 2:02 PM

Okay so we're clear Supervisor Hartman with your with your you'll potentially be exploring when we have to come back on this with the Sheriff's I think it's one year from now.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:03:22 · ≈ 2:03 PM

And then any extension would come from to the board.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:03:25 · ≈ 2:03 PM

It

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:03:26 · ≈ 2:03 PM

has to be within a year after the CEO whether or not they approve it,

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:03:29 · ≈ 2:03 PM

yes. That's yeah so I I'm I'm good with that recommendation which is as you just outlined. All right so we have consensus on that piece which I think is the main part of this item. Was there anything else related to Chapter 50 that anyone wanted to deliberate, discuss, object to related to staff recommendations?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:04:03 · ≈ 2:04 PM

Just before we vote I'd like to just say that you know I've spoken to a number of operators. There are some and they were here that support it. There are some that feel it be a very significant impact financially to their business and I hope that folks understand that at this point the reality is without significant odor control implementation, the industry's going to die anyway because of pushback from the community. So I know that I believe personally believe the industry has been kind of singled out and again and again it's different than ag so you can't use a generator when the guy next to you can use a generator there's a bunch of different when we look at what The odor control is for a bunch of different industries.

You know, this one we always I think somebody said today maybe it was Jared that this will be the most comprehensive odor control of anybody in the country. That's what it is unfortunately at this you know, I mean it is what it is elections have consequences right? So this is where it's at so I know that there are some that are out there already doing And I'm going to support this, but with some severe reservations because the last thing I want to do is put somebody out of business that's got 250-300 people working there.

And a lot of these are lower income socioeconomic hardship entry-level jobs and I don't want to see all those people lined up at our social services department. So, I hope that what our staff has told us and what I'm looking with GeoCentic is legitimate and that we don't end up with a situation where we've just strangled off the last of the industry But I will

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:06:09 · ≈ 2:06 PM

be supporting great. Okay, so we're at that juncture. I'll just get out down the line here supervisor Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:06:14 · ≈ 2:06 PM

Yeah, I am as supportive as well and then I'm actually happy to make a motion already You know to the topic of you know tax breaks and That's something that I brought up early on in this process because I was concerned as well I didn't want I didn't want to go down this road to put anybody out of business I got some calls yesterday from some of the growers that were saying hey what about those tax breaks? And I said well, we're You know There was kind of an invitation that was out there to start to begin this conversation, and it wasn't the day before a hearing. And I'm still open to those conversations.

It's not just tax breaks that could help some of these companies. There are some other regulatory relief. I understand there are certain things we make them do that might not get bang for their buck. There might be issues with waste water improvements that we could help encourage to maybe save open to all those things and I think we should have a broad conversation with carp growers in those areas but it shouldn't just you know, shouldn't be at the last minute.

And it also needs to be kind of more comprehensive and um I had hoped that we could have got there uh during this last year. Um I didn't see that happen so but my door is still open to those conversations. I think the board openly saying that we're still open to those type of ideas if If they want to bring something that makes sense where we can help them. As you're going to hear with the next item, we don't have a lot of money left that's coming from cannabis and that's something that we need to take a deeper evaluation as a board so it's going to be a tough sell now more than ever on any type of tax breaks but again I think that's something that we need to understand a little bit better but it's not gonna be today but I am happy to move forward with Chapter 50 when there is a chance to get that motion.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:07:56 · ≈ 2:07 PM

Okay, Supervisor Lee I'll finish it up.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:08:00 · ≈ 2:08 PM

Thank you oh you know I'm supportive of this definitely that's a clarifying question that if people want extension they need to apply nine days before the time limit right just want to make sure that's correct.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:08:14 · ≈ 2:08 PM

Supervisor Lee through the chair that's correct

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:08:16 · ≈ 2:08 PM

okay good then so I'm all in

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:08:21 · ≈ 2:08 PM

Supervisor Hartman. I guess some of us have long memories going back on this issue and for me, I still have shell shock from the Wild West and the legal non-conforming and really how exploited I felt and I felt the county was and that really put the burden on the community You know the air that we breathe is a public resource and I don't, I think now we're shifting the burden back to where it belongs which is really on those who are emitting an odor. And again it's not just agriculture it is still a controlled drug at the federal level and it's not like broccoli it has a tremendous effect on I'm glad that we're ratcheting back. I am open to a discussion about how we make this easier for businesses but again, I think the burden belongs on the industry that is contaminating the air of the public And as someone myself who's highly sensitive to odors, I have great empathy for the people of Carpinteria.

In my area we have it two or three times a year there they've been dealing with it day in and day out And it means you've got to keep your doors closed. It means you can't enjoy your garden and outside, and so this has been a long time in coming, and I'm so glad that it's here. Thank

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:10:01 · ≈ 2:10 PM

you.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:10:04 · ≈ 2:10 PM

Dang! I wish she wouldn't have gone there. Okay, so if you look at geosynthetic, 335 measurements half of them were zero Half were 0. So I don't think we're contaminating the air a PCD it's not like the air, it's a smell. It's not polluting contaminating the air you might smell it and it it might bother you and what I found out what I've noticed with people is the less they like cannabis and they like the list like cannabis industry. The more they smell it and so It 335 measurements, 250 of those were less than two on the nasal ranger. So all right let's vote

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:10:51 · ≈ 2:10 PM

because... Let me say my piece as well but yeah I really appreciate the consensus up here. I know we have different perspectives but we're really landing in a productive place and thanks to CO's office just a couple three points first on cost I just learned so much from The Everbloom being there multiple times, not smelling a thing and also just learning about the cost savings by making these investments in scrubbers that they've experienced over the years because there's less cleaning. There's all these benefits. Also too with employees I I really think and I hear you on not wanting to put people out. These are good jobs.

I've been really impressed with the pay, the level of quality and what I heard from employees was they don't want to smell like cannabis when they go pick up their kid after school I mean, and don't want to have the headaches and the sniffling nose and all of the things that some employees really experience. And so this is also for them too. I really see this is also for them. And I know it's a huge source of employment in your district.

And just want to say on the hardship thank you. I requested that we drop that label because as a speaker pointed out One side is a business, and I get that. And I'm pro-business. But the other side are just people wanting to have a good quality of life. And the hardship, I believe has been one that they've bared, that they've had to deal with, that they've had to come to multiple hearings. Some of them have had real health consequences. And because it's not federally Sanctioned there aren't the studies to know exactly what is that that's making my head were ache. What is that the thing so that adds to the anxiety? So anyway, I think we're moving in a really good productive direction It's complicated and I appreciate my colleagues very much for getting us there And we're happy to second the motion.

How about that? Supervisor Lee, why don't you second the motion.

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CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:12:50 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Would you actually make a motion? I didn't make the motion as

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:12:52 · ≈ 2:12 PM

I prepared to.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:12:53 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Yeah, you should make the motion.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:12:54 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Good call. I move to approve A, B and C.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:12:59 · ≈ 2:12 PM

Okay and I'll second. And direct staff to come back in May. Oh

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:13:03 · ≈ 2:13 PM

yeah. And direct staff to come back in May.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:13:05 · ≈ 2:13 PM

That's the

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:13:06 · ≈ 2:13 PM

direction to come back on the two items.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:13:09 · ≈ 2:13 PM

Great good progress do we need a roll call are we good all in favor? All in favor please say aye. Aye. Okay we are back. We are going to

move to item six Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to move on to deliberations certainly of board members have questions not gonna stop you hopefully can move on to deliberation. Is the recommendations would that be helpful are they all on one screen probably not.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:14:46 · ≈ 2:14 PM

So Madam Chair and members of the board, I'm sorry but we don't have a beautiful summary like Deliberate or?

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:15:07 · ≈ 2:15 PM

I mean we could start with, we could start with yeah let's but we could just start with the threshold because that's the D over T because that is not in Chapter 50. And is that a good place to start? The recommendation from staff is not to exceed seven. Maybe you can put that slide up. Not

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:15:24 · ≈ 2:15 PM

to equal or exceed seven.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:15:26 · ≈ 2:15 PM

Yes, let's discuss this item and see where folks are. This piece I think that Rosalie has already stated what do you want to repeat?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:15:35 · ≈ 2:15 PM

I do. I'm supportive of 4 given that there was a discussion about Everbloom having carbon scrubbers and when they measured, four was about on average so with all the carbon scrubbers going into the valley, a four is realistic and achievable.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:15:54 · ≈ 2:15 PM

So just to clarify for me that would be you're okay at four which is what the recommendation is?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:16:02 · ≈ 2:16 PM

At 4, but violation at 42 not a violation.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:16:05 · ≈ 2:16 PM

So under four? Correct. So two. So I think that will prove to be a big challenge for us to be able to determine and could so we would recommend that it would be you could be at four but if you were above four then you would have a violation I'm going to go ahead and ask for a roll call vote on this item. I think the recommendation is that it should not exceed 4 is our recommendation and that's based on information has been provided by our consultant in the ability for us to even be able to detect anything at that level

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:16:41 · ≈ 2:16 PM

just not to exceed 4,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:16:43 · ≈ 2:16 PM

not to exceed 4.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:16:45 · ≈ 2:16 PM

OK

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:16:45 · ≈ 2:16 PM

if

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:16:45 · ≈ 2:16 PM

supervisor Lee if you're fine with that I am.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:17:03 · ≈ 2:17 PM

I'm on the staff recommendation

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:17:05 · ≈ 2:17 PM

which is essentially the same thing. I

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:17:07 · ≈ 2:17 PM

think there are different ways of saying the same thing. It should not exceed a threshold of seven so you're saying seven is a violation?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:17:15 · ≈ 2:17 PM

That's correct Supervisor Lavinia

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:17:17 · ≈ 2:17 PM

but I just have to repeat jumping in here that just originally when I thought heard of this, I thought oh wow they're getting shut down essentially or revoked but it's really just working to make sure that The system was is working it's it's it's just a flag that things aren't functioning and let's figure out why they're not functioning so to me that makes it I much more inclined to be. To to push for lower threshold.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:17:43 · ≈ 2:17 PM

Okay, so I think So is what Supervisor Lee saying is the staff recommendation? Okay, then I think it's just it's easier for me and maybe it's just semantics just to go with what the staff recommendation is. But I think you're saying in a different way but okay. I'm good then if it's long.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:18:02 · ≈ 2:18 PM

Okay.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:18:03 · ≈ 2:18 PM

Yeah.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:18:05 · ≈ 2:18 PM

Okay. If you're okay, I'm good with that Supervisor Nelson. Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:18:11 · ≈ 2:18 PM

So long as that's what we understand, that staff recommendation as it came to us today is the same as what Supervisor Lee is saying they're just different ways of describing it.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:18:21 · ≈ 2:18 PM

Yeah yes

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:18:23 · ≈ 2:18 PM

okay

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:18:24 · ≈ 2:18 PM

wow moving right along let's see We sort of established the extension by our consensus with the previous item do we need to talk about that further or just make those changes I think there

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:18:42 · ≈ 2:18 PM

would be value in you providing them specific direction. So what we number and how the decision should be made

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:18:51 · ≈ 2:18 PM

so my some summarize what we just voted on which was only one extension recommendation from either the CEO's office,

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CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:19:08 · ≈ 2:19 PM

I'm good there.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:19:09 · ≈ 2:19 PM

All right. Help me out what's what's next on the plate.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:19:20 · ≈ 2:19 PM

We'll just tell them what they're voting on.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:19:26 · ≈ 2:19 PM

We're all good with nasal rangers we're all good at that, I think right?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:19:30 · ≈ 2:19 PM

Yep. I've heard a lot of mixed reviews of nasal rangers, but it definitely seems as though it's the technology we have and it's more accessible. So I'm fine with giving it a shot.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:19:45 · ≈ 2:19 PM

Anybody else? And we understand that as technology improves there's nothing in the ordinance to prevent us from going to a better technology. Yeah good point Supervisor Herman. Great.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:19:58 · ≈ 2:19 PM

Are you... Okay.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:20:09 · ≈ 2:20 PM

So the next item would be the definition of multi technology carbon filtration as proposed by staff. And I can read this aloud. Air filtration technology that utilizes activated carbon, which may include carbon filters, photocatalytic oxidation units and or other equivalent technologies that utilize carbon filtration. And again, this definition captures the PCO units that the board has been discussing as well as standard activated carbon units.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:20:50 · ≈ 2:20 PM

Okay any discussion?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:20:51 · ≈ 2:20 PM

Yeah, I was persuaded by public comment that this is what we should have, this wording Any

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:20:59 · ≈ 2:20 PM

other reactions? Supervisor Nelson. I'm

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:21:02 · ≈ 2:21 PM

good with it.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:21:04 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Supervisor Lee, Lavanino. All right thumbs up

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:21:09 · ≈ 2:21 PM

and

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:21:09 · ≈ 2:21 PM

we're making this all look easy.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:21:11 · ≈ 2:21 PM

And the next item is that we require operators to phase out the use of vapor phase systems.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:21:17 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Yep we've had consensus on that front thank you.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:21:20 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Require annual inspections after quarterly inspections for the first year

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:21:28 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Yeah, anybody? Yep. Okay great.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:21:33 · ≈ 2:21 PM

We have the 12-month implementation period. We have the extensions. We have the threshold, the requirement for runtime meters. Yep.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:21:45 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Anybody?

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:21:46 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Okay. And that any changes to existing OAPs would be processed as a minor change to the existing land use entitlement

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:21:55 · ≈ 2:21 PM

Definitely.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:21:56 · ≈ 2:21 PM

With the caveat that staff would be posting that information on our website so that members of the public could access it?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:22:03 · ≈ 2:22 PM

Yep, that's a great suggestion

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:22:15 · ≈ 2:22 PM

And then the kind of three-tiered complaint process that we've discussed a couple of different times

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:22:24 · ≈ 2:22 PM

I am personally interested in what Supervisor Lee has suggested. Is there his constituents and if there is an app that they might feel more, anyway I just want to have some deference. I don't know if that could be direction to work with him or something that allows for, I just think the system really needs to be trusted by the people We have a lot of people who are smelling the odor and I don't know if that's for us to decide what that system is and I just I was curious and interested in what you've brought to the table.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:22:57 · ≈ 2:22 PM

I remember what director Plowman said that there is another option so we can explore options but

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:23:11 · ≈ 2:23 PM

So if I may, I think what would be important is for you to We would like to integrate it with a cell but we also need to figure out what the cost is so

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:23:48 · ≈ 2:23 PM

Is that work for you Supervisor Lee? That works.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:23:50 · ≈ 2:23 PM

Okay. The way I understand it is probably one of those C-Click fix apps like they have it for public works and other sort of sounds like this Sela product probably is and might be also what the Carpenter is doing as a way to communicate constituents to their municipalities, Is it just cannabis odor that the app does or is it also other issues like potholes?

Do you know if that's all integrated into that?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:24:20 · ≈ 2:24 PM

The app can provide us with data that we can use for later on. Is

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:24:24 · ≈ 2:24 PM

it just cannabis, or are there sometimes other issues in the city that the app

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:24:29 · ≈ 2:24 PM

It's enough for a coverall, potholes

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:24:32 · ≈ 2:24 PM

everything. Okay yeah it's okay excellent yeah and something I'm really interested in actually long time been interested in that so um but yeah I would be glad to help make recommend the staff to come back with us to give us more information on something along those lines.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:24:45 · ≈ 2:24 PM

And would you say folks trust it?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:24:50 · ≈ 2:24 PM

I use at all time

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:24:51 · ≈ 2:24 PM

So I mean again, I just want to double down on the fact that if neighbors already trust something. I just think that that bodes really well for utilizing it and I'll leave it at that and it's free to explore but I hope that you'd work with Supervisor Lee's office.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:25:06 · ≈ 2:25 PM

Yeah Madam Chair certainly we will and it sounds to me like the system in Carpinteria is multi-department So it's all types of issues that can be marked, geolocated in a particular area. And if we can do that through Acela, that might be something we do with all of our departments that are actually like maybe Public Works would want to look into that. I think the direction for us to look into it and work with our Acela team through IT would be sufficient for us to start moving forward on that item.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:25:44 · ≈ 2:25 PM

And Chair if I might say we appreciate, thank you Supervisor Lee for bringing that to our attention. In talking to planning staff there's a lot of great applications we can have but because we've kind of doubled down on Acela it becomes more time-consuming and costly when we start grabbing from these other applications so I think we're trying to then Thank you.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:26:27 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Moving along, thank you.

CommentLionel NeffProposed · by introduction5:26:29 · ≈ 2:26 PM

And then the final item more of a minor item would be the requirement for each OAP to be certified by a registered engineer.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:26:37 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Definitely okay any

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:26:41 · ≈ 2:26 PM

I just want to go back to that DT threshold I just think confused myself so what's the violation number is this seven or is it four?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:26:51 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Seven

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:26:51 · ≈ 2:26 PM

Okay, so with that said I want preferred to be a much lower number at four. Four is a violation but you say that's the DETs two then right?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:27:02 · ≈ 2:27 PM

It's supervisor Lee through the chair. Our consultants have told us that that would be very difficult for us to even be able to detect it's not a workable threshold for us so if we can consistently pick up 7, but we can't at 4. So if you exceed 4 then we

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:27:29 · ≈ 2:27 PM

Can I, well convince me because I understand your concern and it's obviously your community so I understand your extreme sensitivity about it. But I think we heard here that sometimes even a seven couldn't be detected within the greenhouse. That's not at the property line, that's literally in the building with plants growing next to you. And so that to me made me understand how low that seven already is, is that you can actually be in the greenhouse and not even get that number. So at a property line it's going to be even more diluted at that point.

So I think that that's good news with what the big steps we're making with carbon scrubbers and odor abatement plans that will have that consideration in there. And so, I mean, that's why I'm a little bit more in favor now of just that seven threshold rolling realizing that you know, that was in a greenhouse that was barely detected. So I think that helped me. I don't know if that helps you? I know it's your backyard and so I don' want to tell you how to represent your constituents but that helped me.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:28:39 · ≈ 2:28 PM

No, and you're right. And coming from you, I appreciate that. So with your explanation, I'm comfortable with that. Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:28:47 · ≈ 2:28 PM

OK, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 24Proposed5:28:54 · ≈ 2:28 PM

So Madam Chair, we do have some corrected slides that follow along with the changes that you made in the direction you just provided. So here's the new threshold that will be in the code on the screen. All right next slide. This is the extension process So one extension with 90 day advance notice that they need it and it would be a recommendation from the director to the board. The board would be the one taking the action with no appeals.

And then is that OK, that's it?

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:30:00 · ≈ 2:30 PM

yeah well I was trying to figure out okay so to me there's a difference between a violation at 7 and a violation at 30 right? So I don't know if there's you know like we have a CUP and a minor CUP. I mean if somebody gets somebody's getting a seven at the reading that's still faint right? I just don't know how that equates as an NOV to somebody that it's just out of control and you're like, hey we got a serious problem here. Because what I don't want to have happen is you get somebody that's actually following the rules and doing the right thing and they have all of a sudden a public comment. You come up here and you're like oh this guy has 12 notices of violation and they look like they look like they're just a scoundrel and they're really They're doing almost everything possible to negate the smell.

So I'm struggling with this one, but it's okay.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:31:05 · ≈ 2:31 PM

Do you both have your lights on? Supervisor

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:31:06 · ≈ 2:31 PM

Nielsen. Yeah, so the thing is it's seven for three minutes straight and the idea is the OAP is going to be designed to not let that happen right? So for it to be happening means the OAP, the order abatement plan isn't working and so it's kind of it's really kind of an alarm That why isn't it working? You know, is this something climatic? Is it something that maintenance? Is it they didn't have enough density of scrubbers. I mean, it's going to be the next step to ask questions so I like what Super Chair Kapp said. It's gonna be a flag to say hey by the way if the it's not working. I mean, I don't think our goal should be property line. It really should be an operating working in you know internal system.

This is just one of the ways that we're going to find out if the internal systems not working and

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:31:56 · ≈ 2:31 PM

And it's also cumulative I mean we heard so much from from neighbors that how these smells hop around but if everybody has, if these remaining 12 operators also put in scrubbers is just going to bring that all down hopefully. So anyway I think we have consensus so I feel like we should move forward and what's the format? I'm looking at County Council. We just take The recommended actions with the changes that have been discussed as amended. Yes, okay.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:32:23 · ≈ 2:32 PM

All right, then I move to move a b c d e and f n as discussed on the board as a meant and is amended.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:32:35 · ≈ 2:32 PM

Yep. And I'll go ahead and second that one.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:32:39 · ≈ 2:32 PM

Okay. Excellent. Would you like a roll call?

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:32:44 · ≈ 2:32 PM

No, We have a motion to adjourn the meeting. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. And thank you for all of the feedback that the consultant gave us and out of the 335 readings you did only 14 of them came back as a 7 so I'm comfortable with

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:32:55 · ≈ 2:32 PM

that. Okay, I think I can just say all in favor then please say aye aye. Motion carries. Thank

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CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction5:33:26 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Item number seven is from the County Executive Office. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a second quarter update on cannabis taxation compliance and enforcement for fiscal year 2024 through 2025

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:33:54 · ≈ 2:33 PM

Thank you, Chair Kaps, members of the board. Again, Brittany Oderman with the County Executive Office. I'm here with Carmella Beck. She's here to present the second quarter Cannabis Taxation Compliance and Enforcement Report for this current fiscal year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed5:34:16 · ≈ 2:34 PM

Okay. Oops, oops, oops. All right, so good. Thank you Ms. Uterman. Good afternoon Chair Kaps, members of the board as mentioned I'll be presenting today's fiscal year 24-25 Q2 cannabis taxation compliance and enforcement report. I'll be touching on the following four topics including tax receipts in compliance land use permitting and business license activity enforcement of a legal activity and objectives for the upcoming quarters The Treasurer Tax Collector Office collected $1.7 million in cannabis gross tax receipts in quarter two.

Collections were equivalent to last year's quarter two, the fiscal year 24-25 adopted budget is 6.1 million dollars as of Q2 the projected revenue is 5.4 million The Treasurer Tax Collector Office provided a breakdown of cannabis tax revenue collection by category for fiscal year 2425. The first line item on the chart is for non-cultivation operation types in Q2 we collected almost 175,000 note that the non cultivation category includes nursery distribution manufacturing retail and micro business operations The second line item on the chart is for non-outdoor cultivation operation types. In Q2, we collected $549,000.

The non-outdoor cultivation category includes operations in buildings, greenhouses and those who use artificial lighting. The third and final outline item on the chart is for outdoor cultivation. In queue two, we collected close to $930,000 For outdoor cultivators resulting in close to $1.7 million in Q2 cannabis tax revenues. The following two slides regarding fiscal year 24-25 cannabis tax revenue and uses will be presented by Budget Director Mr. Clemente.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 29Proposed5:36:21 · ≈ 2:36 PM

Thank you Ms. Beck, so on this slide here we see We see that when the budget was adopted last year, our tax revenue was assumed to be $6.1 million. However, as noted earlier, that estimate is now at 5.4 million. The highlighted section here in gray Outlines 13 budgeted ongoing uses in the current year that total $6.8 million. There's an annual 1.6 million used towards 18% deferred maintenance policy, 3.2 million dollars on cannabis enforcement which includes about 10.7 FTE across five departments with 80 percent of those costs and the sheriff and district attorney $260,000 on cannabis education and public health and behavioral wellness.

A million dollars on Cannabis Program Administration in CEO and Treasurer Tax Collector which includes about three FTE as well as the HDL audit contract $300,000 for an additional attorney and county council funded by the board a few years ago. And $370,000 in planning and development to offset the costs of cannabis appeals. I will know that the amount actually transferred at the end of each fiscal year on some of these items such as the cannabis appeals is often less than budgeted and based on costs incurred.

The budgeted gap between the ongoing expenses and the budgeted revenue was about $650,000. Although as noted in red at the bottom with a revised estimate that gap stands at about 1.4 million dollars although again final amounts won't be known until we reach the close of the fiscal year both on revenues as well as actual expenses. That gap is covered by fund balance which is held for the purpose of mitigating revenue fluctuations.

This slide details the tax revenue fund balance at the start of this fiscal year, $7.1 million as well as the planned uses and remaining amount. There are 13 board approved one-time uses of cannabis fund balance totaling 3.6 million dollars covering a variety of capital projects, transportation projects, grant matches, set-asides and more Most of these were approved multiple fiscal years ago and continue to be held for the intended purpose in fund balance.

Taking this $3.6 million into account, as well as the $1.4 million estimated gap between ongoing sources and uses covered on the prior slide leaves about $2.2 million held as a prudent reserve seen in red at the bottom of this slide. Our policy calls for a reserve equaling 25% of projected revenue, which you see at the bottom would mean a target of $1.35 million. So our anticipated unallocated balance at the end of this fiscal year continues to meet this target.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed5:39:19 · ≈ 2:39 PM

Thank you, Mr. Clemente. Regarding tax collection and reporting, we had 52 operators in Q2 who were required to report their gross receipts. Of the 52 operators, only two operators did not report because they are not currently in operation. They do not hold state or county licenses. Eight of the 52 operators reported zero gross receipts because they did not harvest in Q2. And 42 of the 52 operators reported and made timely payments. All 52 operations are accounted for, there are no Q2 delinquent payments.

Planning and development is continuing with their land use permitting activities. The Carpinteria area allowed acreage cap is 186 acres. The issued permit acreage is presently 149 acres. The unincorporated inland area allowed acreage cap is 1,575 acres. The issued permit acreage is presently 1019 acres. There are three cannabis projects on appeal and there have been several actions taken on existing approved cannabis entitlements Although no new entitlements were issued for new cannabis operations, there are 40 county business licenses that are currently pending.

The Sheriff's Office is actively pursuing a legal activity. They completed six enforcement actions in the second quarter, 300,514 live plants were confiscated at an estimated value of $72.1 million, 65 pounds of dry product was confiscated at an estimated value of $39,000 and 4,706 processed products were confiscated at an estimated value of $70,000. Note that Commander Rainey and District Attorney John Savernach are available for questions upon conclusion of this presentation.

In closing, the Cannabis Regulation and Licensing Team has identified four objectives for the upcoming quarters including one to finalize Chapter 50 Ordinance Amendments. Two, to research and propose Chapter 50 Ordinance Amendments pertaining to employee background check requirements, licensing fees, and lowering the inland and coastal caps. Three, to continue the financial monitoring and tax audit process. And four, to improve the business license application process.

Our recommended actions today are to receive an update on the fiscal year 24-25 second quarter cannabis status report and to make a CEQA determination. Thank you, that concludes our presentation we're available for questions.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:41:50 · ≈ 2:41 PM

Thank you so much. Questions from the board? Supervisor Lee.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:41:56 · ≈ 2:41 PM

Could you go back a couple, some slides? There was a $72.1 million...

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:42:01 · ≈ 2:42 PM

Can't we have that? Is

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:42:03 · ≈ 2:42 PM

that a typo or is

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:42:04 · ≈ 2:42 PM

it...? I want the tax on that 72 million. The Sheriff's Department owes it to us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:42:10 · ≈ 2:42 PM

Supervisor Lee through the Chair, Commander Rainey is here but he did mention to us that that's an ongoing criminal investigation and that number I believe is correct There is an, they have an estimated value for each of the plants that was confiscated based on how much cannabis they would yield at full maturity.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:42:33 · ≈ 2:42 PM

And is that from one grow multiple grows indoor outdoor location? Because that's concerning 72 million dollars.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:42:39 · ≈ 2:42 PM

Yeah it's in your district too.

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:42:42 · ≈ 2:42 PM

In my

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:42:42 · ≈ 2:42 PM

backyard. Koyama.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 16Proposed5:42:45 · ≈ 2:42 PM

Is it? How do we know? I

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:42:46 · ≈ 2:42 PM

don't know.

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:42:51 · ≈ 2:42 PM

As much as I would love to give you all of those details since it is an ongoing criminal investigation, I'd be remiss if I disclosed any more.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:43:07 · ≈ 2:43 PM

How is that jeopardizing a case just to give us, I mean, I think the public needs to know we kind of need to know when you throw a number like that out. We got to have some context to it. I'm not a lawyer, but this seems like you had to have a filing. There had to be something that's public right? I mean we should know more than that.

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:43:29 · ≈ 2:43 PM

Sure so what I can tell you is that the case is still under review it was part of a criminal investigation. So again I don't want to disclose the where and who and how but the majority those plants were from a single seizure operation, illegal activity. We take in terms of evaluating the plants and the seizure we take what the plants could yield at maturity with the street value of those plants and that's how we come up with the estimated value of the seizure.

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ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:44:05 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Well don't destroy them because we could sell them to a dispensary and solve our budget problem I don't think that's legal but

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:44:13 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Do you have a sense of when things might be public, like a year or three months? It

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:44:19 · ≈ 2:44 PM

really just depends on whether the district attorney files and at what point in the ongoing investigation we're at liberty to disclose that information. Typically a seizure of that nature we would put out in a press release to make public once a public release wouldn't jeopardize the ongoing investigation. And I'll certainly keep your board posted.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:44:42 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Thank you very much. Other questions? Supervisor Hartman,

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:44:45 · ≈ 2:44 PM

can you say anything about whether this was a permitted or unpermitted operation

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:44:50 · ≈ 2:44 PM

at this point? I'd rather not say

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:44:56 · ≈ 2:44 PM

Supervisors, I think you can understand our puzzlement. Commander Rainey and District Attorney Savarnak, obviously no one wants to impede or harm an investigation that's ongoing but I've asked our County Council to work with you to talk a little bit more what can be disclosed at least to the board and that would be helpful.

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:45:17 · ≈ 2:45 PM

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Supervisor Nelson and I had the same idea while you were talking but you might have said the same things was that don't report it until we know what's going on?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:45:28 · ≈ 2:45 PM

Well that could be it too but we're asking if there's anything County Council can understand through attorney-client privilege or some just get more information

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:45:39 · ≈ 2:45 PM

Yeah, I think the easiest thing is because we put this out in the public. I think it's better to not report something that you can't disclose until we can disclose because this just leaves a real huge question mark out there and if we waited until whether or not our DA charged or not or we can give more details then I think that would be a lot more helpful.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:46:04 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Yes, Supervisor Hartman. I was Googling everywhere trying to find this.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:46:10 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Okay, Supervisor Nelson.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:46:12 · ≈ 2:46 PM

Yes thank you Chair Kaps. Commander Rainey while you're here can you talk a little bit more about the operations? You know looking at our cannabis expenditures your team's the largest single expenditure and to be honest we don't hear a lot I mean, this is a big eye popping number but you know what else is going on out there? And I think it'd be helpful for us to hear maybe from you right now and then maybe in the future kind of getting some regular updates within reason that you can talk about.

You know, I've often been concerned about not necessarily these large grows or trying to go after our already permitted users on small things but really going after those who are providing this substance to our youth And I know it's been a couple years ago now that you guys did some stings on some delivery services and, you know, it would be my favorite thing ever if you guys kept doing that. So can you talk about the various activities your team is involved in and what do you guys kind of target? Obviously you don't want to signal to the bad guys what they're doing or what you're going to be after but can you give us a little bit more information?

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:47:21 · ≈ 2:47 PM

Sure Supervisor through the Chair happy to share with you. So we have multiple facets of our cannabis compliance. Obviously there's the compliance folks that focus on the permitted grows, the legal operations to make sure they're conforming and staying within the guidelines that are set forth in the ordinance. And then the other side are the folks that are targeting specifically illegal activity and that can be anything from The historic backcountry grows that are typically cartel centric to illegal distribution operations, illegal grow operations.

Those operations that may appear on the surface to be operating legally but are actually operating illegally without licenses and without permits, which would fall more on the criminal side than more of a compliance side. So those are kind of the main areas that we focus on. Also distributions that are leaving the state illegally or those that are Targeting kids and we recently had a press release. I'm sure you all saw that we had to target somebody who was selling narcotics across from the school not necessarily targeting the schools kids but certainly any place that anybody that's selling close to a school is of interest to us so those are things that we engage in on a routine basis through our investigative processes.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:48:54 · ≈ 2:48 PM

How much work do you guys do with the school resource officers? Because illegal cannabis is on every single one of our high school campuses in this county, in a serious and major way. How active are you guys with working with the school resource officers to address that?

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:49:09 · ≈ 2:49 PM

Yeah, our school resource officers are really gathering intelligence for us when they're made aware Individuals that are possessing those illegal substances, then they look into those further and can pass on that information for us to follow up on where they're getting it from. But we're definitely aware of the problem and our SRD's are on the front lines of that.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:49:31 · ≈ 2:49 PM

Yeah so just in the future as you can hear from at least one member of the board that decides if that program continues? You know, that's pretty important. Absolutely. I know it's important to stop crime and especially organized crime that's big darn amounts but really what impacts a lot of our constituents and our voters and people that we care about is what's actually happening to our children. And you have this opportunity with this $2 million funded department to really go after illegal cannabis use We're really truly is illegal among our youth, you know, and so this other stuff is just really money laundering and and you know other issues which is criminal. And I mean we need to go after that but I think what it really could give us a lot of improvements in our local community is really getting after how this is impacting our young people.

So just wanted to give a plug for future investments in those areas. Appreciate that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:50:31 · ≈ 2:50 PM

Supervisor Lee?

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:50:32 · ≈ 2:50 PM

I'm coming there rainy. Can you talk about your approach to cannabis enforcement when you go through these permanent grows? Are you visiting knock on doors or is it You call ahead, surprise, big donuts, pizza. It's a

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:50:46 · ≈ 2:50 PM

little bit of

CommentJared FickerProposed · by introduction5:50:47 · ≈ 2:50 PM

everything sir.

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CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:50:50 · ≈ 2:50 PM

They're both triggered by complaint, they're triggered by routine inspections when licensing renewal comes up and we're checking on compliance in order to be able to recommend moving forward in a renewal process so it runs the gamut.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:51:11 · ≈ 2:51 PM

Supervisor Hartman?

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:51:12 · ≈ 2:51 PM

Yeah, I guess it's the end of the day and I'm getting a little cranky but I think this is a bare bones report. And I think last time we asked for a little more and I don't see it so I'd like to make suggestions that maybe you graphed this out so we can see a trend line just combine those numbers and so we can see what's happening How we can compare one year to another. I also think it would be helpful to have a bigger context. We have 7.5 FTEs going to enforcement and what are you doing?

What are you seeing, how are things changed and we're not getting that picture And so I think we asked for it last time. I want to ask for it again, especially as we need to think about we're not bringing in as much revenue. We have to make some decisions about where we're going to invest the revenue And you're not giving a very compelling picture and help us understand what you're seeing out there, what you're doing. How this industry is changing?

Is it like a balloon and you press some place and it's going someplace else? We don't have a clue as to what you are finding and this report isn't doing it so I ask again could you bring back more context?

CommentPaul RobertsProposed · by introduction5:52:41 · ≈ 2:52 PM

Supervisor through the chair, I appreciate that recommendation and we'll absolutely do that next time. What I will say just in short is that these investigations and the compliance work are often long drawn out labor intensive investigations that take hours and hours and days and weeks so the teams are very active in their respective disciplines Also just as a nature of criminal activity goes things are evolving and becoming more complex. And when we are able to shore up criminal activity in one area They can transition and appear in another area. So we're always pivoting and moving but I will absolutely bring back.

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.925:53:24 · ≈ 2:53 PM

I get that but that's very general and I want to understand more specifically. And so I hope next time you will help us understand that it's complex. I appreciate it takes enormous amount of time but help us understand where you're focused and how you're seeing changes and does it matter that you're there Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:53:49 · ≈ 2:53 PM

Thank you. Yeah, Supervisor Lavanino

ElectedSteve LavagninoSupervisor, District 5Proposedvoiceprint 0.905:53:52 · ≈ 2:53 PM

first. And just part of that too is and I see our DA's here and what I'm really curious about is how are we focused on the right things? Are we going after things that are actually gonna follow through with a prosecution? That's what I'm interested in because chasing the paperwork and doing all those things on the compliance side It doesn't always take a full-blown deputy to do. And as we get shrinking budget on this side of things, we really have to start making decisions about who does what and I'm looking for you to be... Well, I just need to see that there's... I really haven't seen any prosecutions. I mean, I saw that there was something today but it didn't even have to do... It was more about the one in Tanglewood where somebody is selling online outside the county, but yeah I'm there.

We're really getting to a decision point and we're gonna have to do this in the budget of all those items that come out of the cannabis fund they're all gonna have to justify themselves at this point so we were going to find out what's the biggest bang for the buck and I know you guys are out there working hard I just need to see it

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:55:11 · ≈ 2:55 PM

Okay, do you want more direction to that or are you just a

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:55:17 · ≈ 2:55 PM

suggestion? Supervisors, a couple of things. One is just the fact that we are operating with a budget deficit in this program that we have to address which means we're going to have to reduce somewhere and not even considering the question you had today about tax rebate or a tax refund so that's something that we have to do it to get included into the next year's budget which will be adopting June So we just haven't had time in my office quite frankly because we've been so busy with just putting the regular budget together.

But that's something that we're going to be needing to do talking to all the departments and I think this conversation helps us kick that off. In my staff, Ms. Beck and Ms. Oterman already reduced a position in our licensing. We luckily found another position for that person so we're all looking to how we can reduce our costs. So my suggestion would be that we bring something back to you so you have it before you adopt the budget.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:56:12 · ≈ 2:56 PM

I just did the numbers, it's 40% of the ongoing cannabis program cost is just the Sheriff's Department and DA. And again we have a lot of faith in both your departments. Maybe even briefings for us. Might be a good, you know individually especially if there's things that are sensitive to the public. I think there's probably some route to do that because I think we all want to be on board. We just you know as we're looking at that's the biggest piece there so just going to reiterate that. The one last question I had for the team, the CEO's team. I didn't see retail in those numbers can you help me with where did I miss that? Did I just I'm sorry maybe I was just

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:56:59 · ≈ 2:56 PM

Supervisor Nelson through the chair, are you referring to retail update on retail in general or? Yeah

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:57:07 · ≈ 2:57 PM

where's the tax revenue in there because I see the 1.3 and the 1.7 are connected to the indoor and outdoor collection so if I'm looking at slide.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed5:57:19 · ≈ 2:57 PM

Retail is included in the non-cultivation item line item

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:57:24 · ≈ 2:57 PM

We have been advised that we cannot report retail alone because there are only 3 retailers that are currently open and we follow the rule of 5.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:57:30 · ≈ 2:57 PM

So when there's fewer than That information separate.

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CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:57:53 · ≈ 2:57 PM

Okay,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:57:54 · ≈ 2:57 PM

a confidential I'm sorry not separate confidential.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:57:56 · ≈ 2:57 PM

Thank you. They remind me again where we have the retailers so we got orchid open now we've got sending as open. We got this to open.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed5:58:10 · ≈ 2:58 PM

Correct, yes. So Goleta is not online yet they're still waiting on the electrical upgrades. Huntingly Management in Los Alamos they submitted made their P&D submittal last week so they're on target and then the Santa Claus Lane operation in Summerland withdrew their retail application as of 3-14.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:58:30 · ≈ 2:58 PM

Is that now rolling to somebody else like you guys did with Los Alamos?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 23Proposed5:58:34 · ≈ 2:58 PM

That would be the process that we would follow

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 13Proposed5:58:38 · ≈ 2:58 PM

Supervisor Nielsen, when we did the call we received two applications in the Toro Canyon Summerland area. We will review and look at the second applicant and potentially offer my suspicion is it's this because of who it is and it was the same operator that was in Los Alamos that they will decline to apply but will follow our process

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction5:59:05 · ≈ 2:59 PM

all right thank you

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.755:59:09 · ≈ 2:59 PM

So I just want to make sure I understood the CEO as a good CEO does that you preempted my questions. We're dipping into the reserves, we still have reserves. I'm assured by that but it's quick not for long and we are you know we take pride in our fiscal prudence here so many other jurisdictions are making cuts And we're not, and so I know we're all keen on this. I really appreciate the line of questioning from my colleagues today and the suggestion from the CEO that there might be a report prior to our budget hearings of sort of a, I don't know what you call it but like, well strategy for what we do with the rapidly dwindling cannabis program.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed5:59:50 · ≈ 2:59 PM

Chair Kaps, that's correct because in the budget we have to include what the budget is for the cannabis program next year. So we have to make some decisions about that Thank you very much. Thank you.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.756:00:15 · ≈ 3:00 PM

All right. Let's take questions or comments from the public on this if there are any

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction6:00:22 · ≈ 3:00 PM

chair caps and members of the board we just had one request to speak in the member of the public might not still be available but I'm going to call on her anyway. We're going to zoom with Annie Lesser. Annie

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.756:00:40 · ≈ 3:00 PM

OK.

CommentJen KriegerProposed · by introduction6:00:40 · ≈ 3:00 PM

And Annie if you did want to Comment on this item. We have unmuted you on our end and you would need to unmute on your end to provide your comments. Okay

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.756:00:56 · ≈ 3:00 PM

so other questions comments motion let's all entertain a motion it feels like we're tapped out.

ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.926:01:09 · ≈ 3:01 PM

Okay Supervisor Hartman. I'll move A and B with direction that we get more clarification, more context next time on law enforcement and then C.

CommentAshley WatkinsProposed · by introduction6:01:22 · ≈ 3:01 PM

Second

Roll-call vote Moved by Joan Hartmann · Seconded by Bob Nelson
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Okay motion by supervisor Hartman second by supervisor Nelson. All those in favor please say aye.
UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 30Proposed6:01:30 · ≈ 3:01 PM

Aye.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisor, District 2Proposedvoiceprint 0.756:01:31 · ≈ 3:01 PM

Motion carries thanks all we can adjourn until I need to look at the date April 1st

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ElectedJoan HartmannSupervisor, District 3Proposedvoiceprint 0.926:01:41 · ≈ 3:01 PM

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