BodyBoard of Supervisors
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 June 24, 2025

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:02

Good morning, everybody. It's my pleasure to call to order this meeting of the Board of Supervisors for June 24th 2025 in Santa Barbara County. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Roll call, called by Unidentified speaker 1
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Supervisor Lavinino here. Supervisor Lee here. Supervisor Hartman here. Supervisor Nelson here and Chair Kaps here
Pledge of Allegiance, led by Laura Cappsceremonial · click to expand · ≈17s recited, not transcribed
ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:20

at this time. Please join us in pledging allegiance to the flag. Ready again.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:27

I pledge allegiance to

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:28

the

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:28

flag of the United States of America

All right, next is the approval of the minutes from our June 10th meeting and also the June 17th budget hearing. May I please get a motion for those? Hartman

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:58

moves approval of

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:59

both.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:00

Nelson second

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:02

Okay, we have a motion and second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries. CEO anything to report? No report this morning chair. Okay sounds good. Madam Clerk do you have any announcements about today's agenda?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:18

Chair Kaps and members of the board, I do have a few announcements this morning. An addendum was posted on Friday June 20th 2025 amending administrative item number 14 on today's agenda. Administrative item number 14 is from the Community Services Department regarding a professional service agreement with Santa Barbara Alliance for Community Transformation SB Act and fighting back Santa Maria Valley FBSMV to operate continuum of care advisory groups in the addendum amended recommendations A and B With an amendment in Recommendation A to a not-to-exceed service agreement amount of $39,750 and an amendment in Recommendation B to a not-to exceed service agreement amount of $40,000.

The changes included in this addendum have been posted and made available online to both the Board and the public. Since there are no requests to speak on this item it may be added to the balance of the administrative agenda. Additionally administrative item number one is a resolution sponsored by Supervisor Hartman's office commemorating the 60th anniversary of the Solving Shoes store. Unfortunately, the honoree is unable to attend today's meeting due to an unforeseen emergency as a result this resolution will be presented as an honorary resolution today And lastly, for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda please see page 2 of the agenda.

Individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via Zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page two. If you have any questions please contact the clerk of the board's office at area code 805-568-2240 again that number is 805 568 2240 And that concludes my announcements for today.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:59

Okay, thanks Madam Clerk. Next up is our administrative agenda. Would any board members like to pull any items? Supervisor Nelson I have you with A29. That's correct thank you. Anything

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role4:07

else? That's it.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:09

And I've pulled A12. Any others from the Board and how about the public?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:13

Chair Kaps and Members of the Board we have no requests to speak from the public on the administrative agenda today.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:18

Okay, I'll now entertain a motion to approve the balance of the administrative agenda except for A12 and A29 So moved

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed4:25

Second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.724:26

Okay we have a motion and a second all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion passes okay now we will move to our resolutions to be presented Madam Clerk when you're ready will you please read administrative item number two into the record

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed4:50

Chair Kaps and members of the board, administrative item number two is sponsored by Supervisor Hartman. It is to adopt a resolution of accommodation honoring His Holiness the Dalai Lama's 90th birthday and recognizing July 6, 2025 as Compassion Day in Santa Barbara County. And joining us in person today we have Teppo Tuku and Heidi Perez I believe Haiti is unable to join us, but Tepo if you can please make your way to the podium and I will go ahead and read the resolution.

Whereas His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, Nobel Peace Prize laureate and spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism has spent his life advocating for peace nonviolence compassion and human understanding. And whereas His Holiness has inspired millions around the world regardless of religion or nationality With his message that love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive. And whereas compassion is a fundamental human value that advances mutual respect understanding and kindness forming the basis for a more inclusive and peaceful society.

And whereas acts of compassion both big and small supply to the mental emotional physical well-being of individuals in communities And whereas July 6, 2025 marks the 90th birthday of His Holiness providing an opportunity to honor his lifelong commitment to promoting universal values of kindness ethical responsibility and care for others. And whereas Santa Barbara County celebrates the rich diversity of its communities and believes in the power of compassion to strengthen bonds promote healing and foster a more just and peaceful world Now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of the County of Santa Barbara hereby proclaims June 21st 2025 as Compassion Day in honor of His Holiness, the 14th Dalai Lama's 90th birthday and calls upon residents to practice acts of compassion service and connection in their daily lives passed and adopted today.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction6:54

Thank you. Making the global observance of the years of compassion and the 90th birthday of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, communities around the world come together to honor a life dedicated to peace, wisdom and universal responsibilities. This milestone celebrates His Holiness tirelessly effort to promote compassion In the faith, harmony and rights of Tibetan people offering inspiring for all embarrassed kindness and moral courage to in today's world.

Thank you for the resolution of the Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County Proclamation as Compassion Day in honor of His Holiness 14th Dalai Lama's 90th birthday. The proclamation will be handed to His Holiness on his 19th birthday, July 6, 2025 in Dharamsala in India. On behalf of Tibetans in Tibet and exile we thank you for your support for Tibet and its non-violence culture preservation.

As a Buddhist I pray for this uncertain world May fear turn into courage. May hatred dissolve into love. May confusion give way to wisdom. Let all beings live in peace with open hearts, in harmony and understanding. May our world heal and awaken. Thank you. Thank you very much.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.728:36

Supervisor Harmon.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed8:39

I was thinking you know what does compassion day mean in Santa Barbara and it was looking at a social feeling that involves sensitivity to the emotional suffering of others and a motivation to Try to relieve that suffering, and I think that's something that we want to carry with us every day. But today is a way to renew commitment to that the Dalai Lama has been an exemplar worldwide in modeling that for all of us so thank you so much for being here and bringing this to our attention

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.729:13

Yeah, I just wanted to add thank you Teppo. You do so much for our community. I was able to attend the celebration on Saturday with about a hundred people maybe more and I had looked up how many times has the Dalai Lama been in Santa Barbara? And it appears to be over nine maybe ten and so I asked for a show of hands in the room of folks how many had been with the Dalai Lama. I know that my father had It's an honor of having met him in the past and about a third of the room had actually been in some sort of teaching with him. And so that the reach is so profound, even so far away yet we all signed a card and had a birthday cake. And what I was really struck with with the notion of compassion is just how strong our interfaith community here is in Santa Barbara County.

Just people have all different faiths Thank you for being here. I guess that is it for our resolutions today so we will move on to general public comment.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed10:32

Chair Kapsa, members of the board. Our first administrative item polled is A12 from the Community Services Department it is to consider recommendations regarding a First Amendment to the Goleta Beach restaurant concession agreement

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7210:46

Okay, Director Ahmers I don't know. I pulled this just because I wanted to highlight I'm very much in support of it so I didn't pull it for any reasons to ask questions but more so does just say this is a good progress of reaching a new lease and so I'm hoping that my colleagues will also have come to that conclusion. I know some of you been out to the Elwood. It's a very exciting development after years of trying to get that restaurant up and going. Like so many people, I grew up going to the beach side, that restaurant that was there and then to not have it be functioning. And so this lease is a step in the right direction to give them longer time to make up for a lot of the flooding that happened I just wanted to lend my support and shine a little light and say it's a good time to go to Goleta Beach and visit the Elwood because things are really buzzing.

It's pretty much packed when you go, and I think that this lease will help them kind of keep that progress going so that's all I really had to say unless anyone had any questions on the board. Supervisor Lee?

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7511:51

I just want to say I had lunch there and it was one of the best meals ever had, so encourage everybody to go out there. As someone who understands the business they do a great job. So get out there have some lunch have a drink.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7212:04

Great that's it with that I will take a I will move to support staff recommendation of A12. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Great thank you motion carries 829.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed12:26

Chair Kaps and members of the board administrative item number 29 is from the planning and development department it is to consider recommendations regarding approval of an agreement for services of independent contractor with RRM design group for architectural design reviews services

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role12:42

Yes, thank you Chair Kaps. I have some questions for staff on this. As far as there's two portions of this contract it's the ADU Plans that are going to be done in advance that people might be able to take off the shelf. And then there's also some design work that RRM would do for us on certain projects, and I don't have any issue with the design work. It sounds like it's great. I'm glad you guys are outsourcing some of those professional services to RRMs. They're quite a professional firm and well-respected.

I am kind of concerned about these pre-ADU plans. And I'm just kind of wondering, you know is there really a need for the county to get in the same space? Are we potentially limiting you know or competing with with the public here contractors that have already paid to have pre-approved plans. How many pre-approved plans do we have in the county? So the board letter was a little incomplete for me on the full package of $50,000 is not a lot of money in the scheme of things. It's still a lot of money for you and I but I just want to kind of understand this a little better and wonder if it's worth we're just duplicating services potentially here that really And the other piece of information I want to share with my colleagues is there's over 300 ADU cases that are in process right now.

So County and the unincorporated areas so it seems like it's already working, I don't know if we need to get involved in this business part of it so help me.

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CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction14:25

Sure, sure. Supervisor Nelson through the chair. First I will start with we have a program in the housing element that says by 2025 December we will have sets of pre-approved plans for ADUs so it was an action item that we identified when that housing element was adopted The Lompoc project sort of, I'm not exactly sure where they are but we had reached out to them to work with them on it and there just was not a lot happening in that direction.

So what we did is looked at existing pre-approved plans from other jurisdictions And we got approval from those other jurisdictions who had paid for the development of those plans to use them. And the ones that we liked happened to be designed by RRM. And so we reached out to RRM and said, what would it take for you to modify these construction documents so that they would be Santa Barbara County specific?

And so we ended up picking four different sets of plans. So we have four different sizes of ADUs and from multiple jurisdictions, we pulled them. So really we're taking advantage of the work that's already been done in those other jurisdictions were really generous in letting us use those plan sets

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UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role15:52

Sorry. Director Plummer, how many pre-approved plans do we already have on the books though? Because different companies can come in and get pre-approved plans through us and it's a special kind of certification right? There is an assembly bill that requires those then to have it on their website and whatnot so... So

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction16:10

yeah I don't believe we have any of those at this point. We've done some modular. So I don' t know of any that were pre-approved In our building permit process, but we as I said we have worked with the modular companies I think there was an article in the newspaper recently where we They do some construction in their manufacturing facilities And then we can view their plans and sort of pre-approve that But to my knowledge. I haven't seen any pre-approved plans these would be our first

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role16:43

Okay, well then that's helpful. Then I'm comfortable then moving forward. I had heard there was quite a few in our community so I get hearing that there's not. Yeah, I can check with our building official

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction16:54

but I'm not aware of them.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role16:55

Because I just didn't want us to go compete with the private sector that's out there doing this as a something, you know, a competitive advantage. And obviously it's not necessarily hurting the market now that these aren't out there because of having 300 in the pipeline right now. That's a significant amount. It's over twice what we predicted in the housing element on an annual basis so I think that's good for us to to be seen, but this potentially helps that. And like I said it's $50,000. I was just trying to make sure that it was money well spent.

Again, I understand what you said about RRM bringing these plans over from other jurisdictions because that is probably, I think it's nine, let's see, about 12 plans altogether so 12 plans for about $50 thousand is probably a pretty good deal for government work. So I'll go ahead and be one to support this.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7217:40

Thank you. I just want to since you pulled this, I did want to ask to break it down and go big picture what will this mean for someone who wants to build an ADU? How much will this simplify things versus coming up with their own plans? What would the time frame if you had to put a ballpark difference in terms of time frame and cost?

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction18:01

Yes, Madam Chair. Well I can tell you that it will probably save an applicant between $20,000 and maybe higher. It's maybe 25. For having a set of plans drawn up and then A few months maybe in terms of the amount of time it would take somebody to draw up plans That that's for something. That's specifically designed like if they took plans from another a friend or something like that They might be able to go faster, but if you're coming from scratch, that's probably what it's going to take And so I think it will help applicants move more quickly through the process because when it goes through our You know, it's already pre-approved. All those construction documents are already reviewed and so that will really speed things up in the permitting aspect of it too.

So it's the preplanning and the permitting. That's great. Okay good to hear. I'm

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7218:59

supportive as well. Thank

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role19:01

you. Go ahead and make a motion to approve 829.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed19:05

I'll second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7219:06

Great all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Okay, now we're to the point of the time for general public comment. Now that we've finished the administrative agenda so it's a time for anybody in the public to speak on anything that's not on our agenda and Madam Clerk are there requests to speak at this point?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed19:30

Chair Kaps and members of the board we have five requests to speak from the public on general public comment. We are going to begin on Zoom with Richard Solomon then we were going to return to Santa Barbara with Cesar Peralta. Sorry, can you hear me now? Yes we can please proceed.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:52

Please transfer me over I neglected to put the right one well I want to talk on an item on your executive session the closed session

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:00

yes this is appropriate time for you to speak during general public comment on the closed session agenda.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed20:07

Well good morning

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed20:10

hold on just a moment Richard okay Yes, sorry I'm just looking to council for some guidance.

CommentMark ShatilloProposed · by introduction20:23

So my recommendation would be that you can take comment on the closed session item and then also separately take general public comment.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7220:35

Okay, let's proceed with comment on closed session prior to then we'll go back to comment for general comment. Great please proceed Richard.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed20:48

Okay thank you very much for accommodating that so I represent Jana Zimmer in litigation she was compelled to file against the county and I say compelled Because she was never allowed any appeal of any of the staff's decisions in effectively denying her SB9 application to split the lot. No one came out to look at the property and to basically see why the conditions being imposed on the lot split were illegal, not justified by the law and were physically impossible to fulfill.

She was compelled to file a tort claim to preserve her rights and to give you the opportunity to correct the staff's errors. The matter was denied, the tort claim was denied again without any hearing, without further input from us. She was then compelled to file litigation because she asked the county council for an extension of time to allow further discussions they refused. And therefore we had to file the lawsuit.

We are now pending a hearing on the SB9 claim. The board, the judge overruled the county's demur or challenge to that particular claim and that's going ahead in August. So in October, sorry. The HCD, the Housing Community Development Department has provided an opinion that under SB 9 the counties cannot require any offsite improvements. And that is the key legal issue in this case. They have required Zimmer to provide offsite improvements and to pay for them, and even worse, to have them completed before they will even consider her SB 9 application.

All three of those demands are not justified by the law. We've pointed that out, the court apparently at this point in the pleading stage agrees and therefore we're going ahead with the trial in October. We asked the court to, we've tried to settle this case without the payment of any fees, attorney's fees costs. Now it's two years later construction costs have risen substantially and that means we have been damaged.

I spent a lot of time on this case and therefore my attorney's fees should be recovered. So we put an offer in the table to the County Council which I hope she'll be, I presume she'll be discussing with you in closed session. And thank you for your consideration of a possible settlement.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed23:32

And that concludes public comment on the closed session agenda today so we are going to return to general public comment and begin here in Santa Barbara with Cesar Peralta, to be followed by Leo Smith. Cesar?

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CommentCesar PeraltaProposedself-stated23:55

Good morning everyone. My name is Cesar Peralta and I'm a born resident and citizen of Santa Barbara, California. I know that today the city leaders and representatives are here to consider recommendations regarding several items on the agenda and I am here to ask nothing different I would like the city leaders to consider re-evaluating a corrupt tyrant act done against me on August 15, 2023. I was arrested while innocent and charged with disobeying court orders then withheld from attending my civil lawsuit versus Dr. Romero. I was denied the right to introduce evidence arrested with a no bail order then charged $9000 for failing to appear at my civil trial conferences My public defender, Susan Sindler had changed my court date and time at the last minute and nobody showed up to my trial.

I was then arrested and denied the right to introduce evidence as to why couldn't pay child support. And at that time, I was suffering from a separated shoulder AC joint and winged scapula with a long thoracic nerve damage plus lower back and rib pain but the courts and representatives acted like it was in the best interest of my child to separate me from my child and arrest me for failing to pay child support My medical treatment was delayed by Dr. Romero from 2020 to 2022, and he falsified medical documents to indicate improvements in my health when there were no improvements. I stayed injured for six years because of Dr. Romero's staff and false medical reports. I was arrested because the doctors didn't want to verify my injuries through a court-ordered DCSS medical verification report The public defender was asking to be signed by a doctor.

Therefore, she didn't want to see my x-rays photos or injuries. I filed the complaint versus the public defender in 2024 and it was corruptly settled without any evidence presented to the risk management team which includes Mona Miyasato Greg Milligan and Madeline Orr. I was told that $12,500 was the max the city can do for my false arrest even though it forced me out of a disability hearing, medical treatment and a $250,000 civil lawsuit versus Dr. Romero. I explained I was still in pain and I was being charged $9,000 for failing my conference when I was arrested but I was told again that it's all the city can do for me take it or leave it And so after three years of asking for attorneys for help and then filing my own complaint, I was forced to settle my complaint for the false arrest for $12,500.

But I remember telling the risk management team of Santa Barbara that if that's the max they can do for me then there's nothing I can do but accept the settlement. I later found out it was a lie because just recently the city leaders approved a $50,000 pay increase for themselves just to be at medium pay. My life and ability to work has been altered by the doctors, city reps and courts of Santa Barbara for no real law of reason. I have been punished and forced out of benefits and assistance, and my daughter to this day has not received any funding or help from the child services.

All the child services have been able to do or has the power to do is revoke my license which they did. I was forced to stop driving, forced to stop working door dash all because my daughter needed money. To this day I cannot work as I once could because I'm a permanent weak right shoulder For the last three years I've been averaging $5,500 per year doing DoorDash due to my injuries that went untreated for six years.

So i'm here today asking for the corrupt actors and representatives to be held accountable and or ask the city leaders alongside the risk management team of Santa Barbara to re-evaluate my complaint versus public defender Susan Sindelar, a case that forced me out of a due process violated my civil rights plus forced me out of a civil trial and disability hearing. I was lied to and forced to accept the city leader's month paycheck of $12,500 for all six years of pain and suffering and for my false arrest.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:35

Thank you Cesar, that is your time.

CommentCesar PeraltaProposedself-stated27:37

Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:39

We will now go to Leo Smith to be followed by Cindy Cardenas in Santa Maria.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed27:48

Good morning. Good morning Chair Kapsen, Board of Supervisors. Good day to you all. Good day and blessings to you all this day June 24th 2025 which marks the 111th birthday, the ninth heavenly birthday for my grandmother, the esteemed Sybil Pastora Paisley Bryan Hamilton. Who birthed nine children and mother thousands by whose prayers, her love and care I am here standing before you today.

She gave birth to immigrants from the island of Jamaica, and I being a naturalized citizen am grateful to them for all the sacrifices and dutiful toil my forefathers have endured to give me these opportunities. My daughter who is of Jamaican ancestry and also Native Americans currently residing on the reservation here in California makes her a very unique individual being of the first generation American emigrating here to this country and also of the very first Americans.

The original peoples here of this land, it's our endeavor to see that all persons can be saved and that all people may live their best life. Eternal Life Organization LLC is a do-good company. We see the unfortunate reality of a disillusionment among people and among young individuals in particular we know that many people are hurting these days. We see the necessity in the numbers found in the suicide rates for all people and especially young individuals as quite alarming and truthfully as unacceptable We believe and know that it's time to change the narrative that plays in the hearts and minds of the people today. That is why Eternal Life Organization, LLC, to become global. Eternal Life Music, Foods, Builds, Health, and Schools are designed to fulfill these initiatives.

Initiatives to feed, house, provide health care and education here in Tanner Barbara, this country, and all across the globe. The endeavors are driven by one, branding and merchandising company signatures. Two, music that has already reached number one status in its genre even prior to promotion or marketing. And three, appearances such as concerts and gatherings that are geared to create instill and maintain the spirit of life and dignity throughout for all attendees and for those in favor.

Free classes that we look forward to offering regarding literacy training, self-esteem and self image, life skills, English Spanish benefits of sobriety, sexual and moral integrity, neighborhood restorative justice program. And many more classes that we look forward to offering free to the public. Paid events such as success training, motivational speakers, financial advancement training, legitimate stock market training, concerts and much more. All ages are a demographic group. The vision is to imagine clothes, shoes, posters, anthems promoting self-esteem and self successful living. Imagine schools, skateboards, formal wear, athletic wear designed by those who truly desire our people to have long and beautiful healthy lives. What I'm asking for is the Thank you, Mr.

Chairman and members of the board. People, persons. Imagine the truth that you have a network of sincere and dedicated persons providing somewhere fun respectful and where there are no drugs violence or promiscuity permitted. Please Senator Barbara County members of Board of Supervisors do agendize and Lord willing approve adequate funding to get things moving prosperously and always successfully at Eternal Life Organization.

Thank you for your consideration

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed31:42

We will now go to Santa Maria to begin with Cindy Cardenas, to be followed by Denise Tell. Cindy? Hold on unfortunately we are having trouble understanding Santa Maria. Bill if you're there Can we do another test to see? We are not hearing you. I thought I heard Bill. Can we do another test? Chair, perhaps we could take a break and our IT experts in Santa Maria can pull up a laptop and we can return for public comment after we take departmental item number one.

Sure. Or we could

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7233:34

take a break. Yeah let's take a five minute break. Great!

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed33:36

Let's take a five-minute break and Bill if you can get up a laptop for us for the members in Santa Maria to use that would be wonderful.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7233:45

Will do. Thanks. Okay, we're back from that technical break and we'll see if we got connection with Santa Maria.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed39:46

Yes thank you Chair Kaps and members of the board. We are going again to Santa Maria to begin with Cindy Cardenas to be followed by Denise Tell. Cindy?

PresenterCindy Cardenas I'mUPW United Domestic WorkersProposedself-stated39:54

Okay good morning chair and members of the board my name is Cindy Cardenas I'm here representing UPW United Domestic Workers. We are a union of home care providers. We represent over 170,000 home care providers all along the state of California including here in Santa Barbara County. Our members are caregivers who make it possible for low income seniors and people with disabilities to live safely and with dignity within their homes, while also saving the state and the county billions of dollars in long term care costs. But we're here because we recently began negotiations with the county.

And also we're here to uplift all our homecare providers and our members And making sure that they, you know are treated with respect and also given the recognition that they deserve for the work that they do every single day. So we're looking forward to partnering with you all in ensuring that our caregivers are supported and also maintaining IHSS a strong program for our community and the vulnerable community that we also help.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed41:08

And we will now go to Denise Tell, who is our final speaker on general public comment. Denise?

CommentDenise TellProposedself-stated41:15

Good morning Board of Supervisors. Just wanted to take this opportunity... I'm going to start from the back what I wanted to say at the end and say that first. First of all my name is Denise Tell. I'm retired from behavioral wellness. I come in from a psychiatry background.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed41:40

My apologies, I'm going to stop you. We just we had the beginning portion of your comments and then we just lost the feed for the audio feed. It might have come back. Can we can we do another test? Test 123 If you're speaking we are unable to understand.

CommentMadam ClerkProposed · by introduction42:27

Can you hear me?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed42:28

Yes, we can Bill thank you. Denise, my apologies again. We did hear you introduce yourself but if you would like to begin your comments. Yes and we can hear you so you can address the laptop too because that's the camera being used as well.

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CommentDenise TellProposedself-stated42:49

So you got my name?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed42:52

We did, yes. And Bill you might need to mute the room because we did just get a little bit of feedback so if you just want to leave it on the laptop and mute the room or I can mute you as well. They're both labeled the same so i'm not sure which one's which

CommentMustafa Sajji I'mProposedself-stated43:20

Okay so we'll be using Bill's laptop.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed43:23

Fabulous, all righty my apologies again Denise if you can please proceed I got you back at three minutes thank you okay thank you

CommentDenise TellProposedself-stated43:31

i just wanted to say that i'm retired from behavioral wellness and i've been doing that for 32 years i'm so grateful to say that i'm retired it was a wonderful experience and i've been retired now for three years um i wanted just to say this the end first just So I won't run out of room, run out of time. Here we go. I'm here to say that in-home support services is a human service profession and it cannot be replaced with AI. Therefore the wages and medical benefits should be made attractive to those individuals that are interested in this kind of profession.

How I got involved is I had a coworker that retired And I had another coworker said to go and visit her. And sure enough, I did. Little did I know that she only had six months to live and her family lived far away. So oftentimes they would call and when they would come down to visit, they got a chance to meet me. And they graciously asked me what I'd be so kind to assist their mother that was passing away. So by me working with her, I knew her and my medical background and knowing what it took to advocate for someone she was my first experience. And when she had passed away, I got a call from her social worker And he had asked me, he said Denise we have a client that's 89 years old and her desire is to stay in her home. So sure enough I told him the kind of clients that I'm passionate about and of course it was senior citizens and we know in in-home support services there's a gambit of individual various types of needs so I took the job.

I've been with her now three years And I just want you to know that there's been so many success stories, just because this particular lady she's coming from a medical background. So everything us as in-home support workers do for her she understands even though she may not want to do it. She understands the why when I first started working with her we were in ER at least three times a month. Many times it was something simple as a UTI, and if you know anything about a UTI, it can affect other areas of your body. But once we got on board as a team, we know how important nutrition is, drinking water, and I can successfully and happily say that this lady has not been in ER in the last two and a half years, and that's a success story. So I just want you to know if Shirley was here who's 89 she would literally say she is so happy for in-home support services because she wants to stay in her home.

And I've seen looking at the Board of Supervisors and I know everybody's there over the age of 20. If you're not please forgive me but the point that I'm trying to say you know how important it is stay in your surroundings as long as you can. And so I am just so grateful that I'm a part of something, that I feel good about going to work every day. And on this last note, I'm at Allan Hancock College on a regular basis and I meet college students if they're undeclared, they literally don't quite know what they want to do but I share with them how important in home support services is because if they're going to school to be a doctor or nurse, physical therapist. These are the skills that they can come in and actually use. And I just know that when I share with them how much money they made, right away they'll look at me and say oh my God, I make more than that at a fast food restaurant.

So I just know that making these kinds of jobs attractive for our community would be well worth looking into. So thank you for your time. Thank you,

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7247:24

Denise. And that concludes general public comment for today. Yes, we are indeed over 20 up here. But thank you and thanks to all of our members of the public that have come to speak. Appreciate it. So with that conclusion, we will move on to departmental item number one flood benefit assessment program

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed47:42

chair caps and members of the board. Departmental Item Number One is from the Public Works Department Board of Directors Flood Control and Water Conservation District. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the flood benefit assessment program for fiscal year 2025 through 2026.

PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated47:59

Good morning Chair Kaps, members of the board. I'm Walter Rubicaba with the Flood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our Environmental Manager will be providing an update on the proposed benefit assessment program for fiscal year 25-26

PresenterAndrew RothFlood Control DistrictProposedself-stated48:17

Thank you Walter, good morning Chair Kaps and members of the board. As Walter mentioned I'm Andrew Roth with the Flood Control District. As a refresher on the flood control benefit assessment program this voter approved program began in 1980 in response to the approximate 60% reduction in revenues due to Prop 13. The benefit assessment program is a fixed fee attached to parcels based on the land use type and geographic location with that revenue used to fund the flood control district.

In 1996, the county went back to the voters with a proposed increase to the benefit assessment rate and only the South Coast zone voted in favor of that increase. Here on bullet two fortunately ordinance 3150 was adopted which allows for an annual increase up to the consumer price index or CPI which has helped funding keep pace with inflation. The proposed action today is to enact the CPI adjustment for the next fiscal year As you can see in the last bullet, the proposed CPI increase for this cycle is 3.02%.

This next table has a data summary which shows the various rates for different parcels, which are separated by land use type or group across the top and the regional location or flood zone in the left column. Column C here is highlighted as an example. Group C are residential parcels and Group C serves as the baseline for the other groups meaning that the rates for the other land use types are factored either up or down from Group C based on that land use type and the size of the parcel.

Using two of the outlined items as samples, for example a residential home in Group C in the Orchid Flood Zone. The new benefit assessment would be $5 and 72 cents per year which is a 17 cent increase compared to last year. And the other highlighted example in the South Coast zone, the proposed assessment would increase to $32 and six cents which is a 94 cent increase compared to last year.

This table indicates the ongoing reimbursements that flood control is pursuing after storm response operations in 2023 and 2024 across the different regions in the county. We are working hard to secure approximately $21 million through emergency FEMA reimbursements, and we're working closely with our federal contacts. But these reimbursements are not guaranteed.

There are always uncertainties with emergency reimbursements and even more uncertainties now with FEMA funding in 2025 so these reimbursements are considered at risk. The Benefit Assessment Program is a key source of funds that supports Flood Control's mission and operations, and it's important that the assessment is adjusted as proposed today in order to keep pace with inflation and rising costs.

This is even more important given the uncertainties with the emergency reimbursements currently. These images show two of the major capital projects completed last fiscal year, the debris basin improvements and fish passage projects at San Ysidro and Cold Springs basins as further examples of the work supported in part by the benefit assessment funds. Today we are requesting approval of actions A through D listed on the board letter related to the annual increase in the benefit assessment rates.

If approved today, the item would return to your board on July 15th for a second reading and final adoption on the administrative agenda. Thank you. All

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7251:46

right, thank you Mr. Raff. Any questions from the board? Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role51:53

Yes just a brief comment. You know I think this is one of those fees that is good work that we do in the county that I've always supported. The increase of this I think that we get a lot of bang for our buck. I think that this is the benefit that's provided at least to my constituents It's something that in the future I think we probably should take a look at potentially increasing and going back to the voters on because, you know, I think that if we haven't seen throughout the last couple of years the impacts of flooding in our areas.

You know, I think it's very real and it's some place that needs additional investment. And it's something that we need frankly the county and the flood control district to step in to do something the private sector can't do on their own. And I think like I said, we get a great bang for our buck out of this team and I'm happy to support this.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed52:47

Excellent. Supervisor Hartman? Thank you. A couple questions. The first is does this help to fund the Montecito Flood Control Master Plan

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PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated53:03

Supervisor Hartman through the chair. Partially our goal is we're going after quite a few grants, federal grants, Caltrans grants so our hope is to fund it as much as possible through grants but yes they will help supplement any matches or funding that we don't get

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed53:19

And will that master plan, excuse me, serve as a model for other areas? I mean, I know it's site specific but is it. I think of community wildfire protection plans and we're trying to get those throughout the county and I just wonder if there's an analogy here.

PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated53:38

Yes Supervisor Hartman through the chair that is the goal. The next one would be working on is probably the Santa Maria Valley Orca area and then expand that throughout the county

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed53:47

And then I am always running into questions about What does the county do? What can I do? Why won't the county come clean out my creek? And I don't see much on your website. I just wondered if you could do a fact sheet about that, that it's complicated to try to explain about public trust resources and what people do and don't do, what they're allowed to do, what we're allowed to do what our permitting process is Thank you. Thank you so much for your time and I appreciate it. If you could if I when I get questions could refer them to something on your website about what you will and won't do and why and what people can do individually and not do that would be enormously helpful.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7254:52

Well, thank you. I agree with Supervisor Nelson that this is a small increase for really a big impact and I appreciate the department for being really responsive to the constituents that I've had who have been concerned mostly when we had those atmospheric rivers in 2023 but my question really is about prevention versus disaster relief and how much if you can say would these impacts go if you had to ballpark it?

How much of the funds go to actually preventing floods versus actually coming in and cleaning up after there have been?

PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated55:30

Yes, Supervisor Chair Caps. It's hard it changes year to year right? When it's the atmospheric rivers in the high 80s 90% but on a year-to-year basis we try to our goal is always to try to get the hazard mitigation out or the hazard mitigation out there new capital projects. The hope would always be 80 to 90 percent capital projects to try to help prevent those disastrous situations that occur But when we have the strong storms 23, 24 it was probably in 80 to 90% with storm response. Where we had to put like Lower Mission Creek on the back burner to make sure we didn't run out of funds.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7256:13

Well, thank you. Supervisor Hermann?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed56:15

Yeah Chair Caps your question prompted another one I had the opportunity Director Sneddon showed me some images of I don't know what you call it a screen a great something that's upstream to prevent flooding downstream and I wonder if you could elaborate on that and how much more widely can those be used Thank you. That hurt some businesses, they've never really recovered.

So the more we can kind of capture that upstream and you had a very innovative example that worked terrifically so I wonder if you could elaborate more on how that can be deployed elsewhere?

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PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated57:15

Sure, Supervisor Hartman through the chair. We actually added the photo on the front screen of the presentation that is on Alamo Pentado Creek up in the upper watershed. So what we do is we work closely with the federal and state partners on the bear and the work teams who are the burn area assessment teams who go out and what we do is we identify areas at risk. And when these are the appropriate mediation, we go out there and install them. So we are doing this more commonly. We did two of these one on the upper watershed and then one farther down near 154.

They have been proven to work very well.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed57:57

But it's really only something you put in after some kind of a wildfire event. It's not something you would use typically, say I mean every place burns eventually it seems up in the wild mountains but you wouldn't it would be within a year or two after a wildfire that could flow into a river

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PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated58:25

Supervisor Hartman through the chair, we actually got this one deployed about three months after the fire. So it was before the rainy season occurred so we can implement them very quickly I think between the design and getting them out to construction it may have been 4 to 5 months, so we can deploy them quickly. Our debris basins come with them equipped already that we have many racks and for example around the road debris basin.

The challenge of putting these two things were on private property, so we had to work with the private property owners to try and minimize the impacts. That's why you don't see him spread out throughout the county.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:04

There might be private property owners who would have an interest in this. I think that's something we might want to explore.

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PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated59:17

We'll continue to explore all the options we have to try and, you know, to avoid impacts as we had in 23-24

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:24

Sure, well so the real critical time is after a fire but before the rainy season and that's when you would deploy these. And then so you really wouldn't start looking for places and property owners until after the fire.

PresenterWalter RubicabaFlood Control and Water Conservation District and this morning Andrew Roth our EProposedself-stated59:41

Supervisor Hartman through the chair that's correct

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed59:43

okay

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7259:47

Okay, thanks for that. Are there any comments from the public on

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed59:50

this item? Madam Clerk. Chair Kaps and members of the board we have no request to speak from the public on this item.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.7259:56

All right with that if the board is ready we can recommend recommended actions are A through D and I can entertain a motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:00:05

So moved.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:00:06

Thank you Supervisor Hartman.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.751:00:07

Second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:00:08

Thank You supervisor Lee all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries thank you Now, when you're ready Madam Clerk

we'll move to item 2. Fee Ordinance for Transportation Division.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:00:23

Chair Kapsa and members of the board departmental item number two is from the Public Works Department it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the adoption of our proposed fee ordinance for public works transportation divisions development review and plan check review services

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:00:45

Okay, when you're ready.

CommentMustafa Sajji I'mProposedself-stated1:00:48

Good morning Chair Kaps and members of the board my name is Mustafa Sajji I'm the Deputy Director for Transportation Division and I am joined by Will Robertson who's going to present the proposed fees for our development review and plan check review at first in the division thank you.

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:01:10

Good morning Madam Chair members Good afternoon. My name is Will Robertson and we are here to talk about the proposed fee ordinance for development review and plan check. And the goal of this ordinance is to reflect the board's desire for cost recovery policies that would ensure maximum reimbursement through user fees to offset the services to the maximum extent possible by law.

This ordinance Primarily is for, to address inflation changes. The last time we've updated our fees has been since 2006 so it's been quite some time and the other goal is to realign the permit fee structures to be more in line with Planning and Development's current case files. Most of the case files in our current resolution just do not match anymore so it' time to update that The project milestones were to calculate the true cost of providing these fee-based services. Those could include things like making a case file, reviewing the intake materials, site visits, meetings, emails, all things that would be associated with any development review.

The goal was also to analyze any additional fees that were necessary in order to provide services An example of that would be under new case law, the affordable housing projects currently come in under what's called an HSG project only require a land use permit. So all review under current transportation fees is done without reimbursement. Next would be to determine any adjustments that could be made to the fee calculations through various methods, older policies. We used to always do physical site visits. Most meetings were done in person.

Now we can do virtual meetings so we can take advantage of cost savings to the applicant through that. A lot of times projects are simple enough that we can Google Earth site visit if it's simple enough. So the goal was to adjust the fees so we could reduce the cost of the applicant as much as possible We then developed revenue projections based on those adjustments. So each project type had an associated time that was spent, this is a fixed fee program it's also more of a hybrid where we can convert over to a deposit hourly at any time whether or not we needed to reimburse the applicants for shorter review period or in the case of a more complicated project we could actually take on a further deposit and bill accordingly And then the next step would be to adopt the new fees, which we are presenting to you today.

Project methodology I kind of went over it in the previous slide. We identify the resources that are required again emails meetings each project type is completely different. We try to get an estimated average Time spent on each project. And once we have that time, we apply the appropriate labor rate and that gives us our cost per project type. We also went through the last four years of permit data to review what projects were taken in.

Multiply that by the collected revenues to find out how much we were either above or over in our revenue. If we were in this case as noted, we weren't at full cost recovery. So we made the proposed changes to come in line with 100% cost recovery looks like Currently, transportation development fees are only capturing 23% of staff time. So the goal again of this ordinance is to come back in line with the full cost recovery policies and with the recommended fees presented to you today, the cost recovery is estimated to be 100%, with an estimated revenue of approximately $230,000.

Today we are here to present the project in front of you. The adoption and second reading is anticipated to be July 1st, and the ordinance would take place 30 days after. So Public Works Transportation recommends the actions presented in front of you that you adopt them, and staff is here to answer any questions that you may have.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:06:17

Okay thank you very much. Any questions for the board? Supervisor Hartman.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:06:26

We have increasingly from the state mandates to have by right development for housing and I understand, I think what that means in general for planning and development having objective standards and not a lot of discretion I don't understand what that means for public works and roads. Is your discretion in any way limited? And for these kinds of projects, I assume you still have to do the same kind of review because it's so specific but could you elaborate on that because I really don't know.

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:07:06

Supervisor Hartman through the chair The short answer is yes, our discretion is limited. But we also have our adopted standards primarily are objective standards. So although there has been some changes in the review process it hasn't really changed what we require of those projects. There are some cases where the state has come in and said, based on like SB 9 we cannot require off-site improvements and the definition...

We've talked to council on this one what is the definition of off site? And that can vary. Generally if it's in front of the project and in the road right away, that is an on-site but if we don't own the land in front of it, it's considered off site so there are some gray areas here that have been challenging. Review times have also been crunched considerably, and if you miss certain timelines then what does that mean? It means you can't ask for certain things later in the process.

So yes it has changed things considerably. Has it been detrimental to how we review projects? I wouldn't say it has. It's just been different

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:08:31

Yeah, I guess what and thank you that gives me at least a flavor. I was wondering given your fees if somehow it's short-circuited and you have I'm going to go back to you, Mr. Chairman.

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CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:09:06

It's a lot of pressure. But the county has implemented Acela in the other departments to make a seamless review process for all the departments, and that seems to be helping applicants. We've been hearing from applicants that the county is being more responsive, they're getting better feedback, at least this is what I'm being told, they're getting better feedback earlier in the process and they're getting clearer direction.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:34

And has that been fully adopted in Public Works transportation review of projects yet?

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:09:40

Supervisor Hartman through the chair, yes it has.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:09:43

Okay thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:09:46

Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:09:47

Yes thank you Chair Kaps. So help me understand when this is triggered for some projects because some projects have transportation involved and some don't. So if I bring a permit to planning How do I know whether it's going to have transportation involved and need to pay a fee versus the project that doesn't?

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:10:08

Supervisor Nelson through the chair. Anything that is on attachment C as a case type, that will be subject to the fixed fee. Now, because this is a hybrid ordinance at any time if an applicant were to approach us and say I really feel that your fee is out of line. Let's say a new ag structure for example. If it's a barn obviously transportation is an ag structure on there is very vague.

A new barn would require very little time if not no time Because this is an ordinance, we can't waive the fee. But what we could do is convert that over to a deposit hourly, start billing for the time that we do spend. Obviously there's still going to be a slight review. We still have to make a case. We still have to hear it at subdivision review committee but anything after that We could refund the difference back to the applicant. On the flip side of that, it would be if any project was exceeding the fixed fee we could also collect a deposit and bill them accordingly so we would not later on have to have other projects. I've heard the statement that some projects are covering the costs of other projects if they're small or if they're large in this case each project would be carrying its own weight.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:11:29

So then we'll be back to an hourly at that point? I'm sorry. So then we'd be back to an hourly rate at that point? So if it's below the, kind of having it both ways which, and I guess my question on that is who makes that decision on whether it's going to be an exceed amount or a less than amount?

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:11:49

Supervisor Nelson through the chair so in general the fixed fee is what would apply It would be for extreme cases that we would exercise going to deposit hourly. And the reason to do that, a good example would be let's say there is a small project but I think our smallest review time is two and half hours. If we were to convert that over to deposit hourly then there's an inefficiency that's going to be baked in for tracking time which could add probably 20% to the cost of that permit, which would actually make it more expensive than doing the fixed fee.

So there's no preference from a staff of one doing all development review for transportation Deposit hourly is more time-consuming than to do a fixed fee. But I think there's inefficiencies in both, right?

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:12:46

You can look at it both ways. Can you put up attachment C there for a minute then because I want to better understand page one.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:12:57

Supervisor Nelson, I don't believe we have the attachments in the PowerPoint.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:13:03

Did you just have it there Thank you. So I guess here's my question is it says that, you know anything that would touch transportation would, you know which all these permits do like an ag structure right? An LEP but we in the permits type per year that you have on there let's just say land use permit let's pick that out in the fee study. You know we only did 20 a year basically over the last four years they had review when we didn't far more LUPs in the county than that so I'm trying to understand how that works.

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:14:44

Supervisor Nielsen through the chair, so historically currently we do not collect a fee for a land use permit. And this goes back to my comment about realigning with Planning and Development's permit types. So the most common land use permit that we're aware of is a single family home. A single family home would not, even to this point under the new ordinance require review by transportation At the development review stage, however that same land use permit would move forward and be recommended for let's say an encroachment permit for a new driveway.

And then their separate fee ordinance would cover any review time from the permit section for an encroachment permit. The problem we're having now is that under state law something like the C.A.R.E.D project or G.O.R..G., or even Rice Ranch comes in as a land use permit with an associated, it's called an H.S.G., housing. So we currently don't collect fees for a land use permit so any time spent currently If this does not get adopted on Rice Ranch, there is zero reimbursement back to the county for staff time on it.

And that goes for any large state-mandated housing project. What's before you is we would collect a land use permit fee but something like that. So going back to the example of could we convert this over to deposit hourly? Something that large, we obviously know that that land use permit fee would not cover Rice Ranch and we would have to convert that over to deposit hourly.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:16:26

So, but the study was based on interactions that you do over a year right? On land use permits. Over the

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:16:34

last four years correct.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:16:34

That's right so you're not touching more than 20 LUPs a year and more than two pre-apps a year?

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:16:45

Supervisor Nelson through the chair that is correct because of the way that planning and development transfers land use permits over to transportation for review

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:16:53

So it's only if they transfer it over to you, and it's minimal. It's rarely that that happens because that's what I'm trying to understand because if you end up touching every LUP your revenue numbers are going to be way off of this right? If you end up reviewing 100 LUPs which is totally reasonable in our county. There's well over a hundred LUPs that get processed a year these numbers don't work and so that's why I'm trying to get my brain wrapped around this I guess it's a minimal scope that you guys are engaged in.

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:17:26

Supervisor Nielsen through the chair, yes so I had this conversation yesterday with planning and development there are screening criteria that we implement with other departments have we have very mild screening criteria with P&D on what we would like to see. So for instance land use permit for gated access. is one that we tell planning and development. If there's a gate, we need to see it because it can cause problems. Do we need to see all land use permits? Absolutely not. So it would be based on the screening criteria that we define to planning and development.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:18:01

Do we have that in writing yet?

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:18:03

We currently do not have that in writing but we have been asked to do so.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:18:07

Okay, I think it's really important here You know, a lot of things don't come to you because hey we're not getting paid. It's not really something we want to be reviewing but now we're going to get paid so it's actually gonna have some wrong incentives if you think about it from the perspective of a development review or hey now we have a revenue source to charge against so we're gonna be able to now Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Not, I wouldn't say that people would mean to abuse it but I think it'd be natural to use it in that source where we haven't. So I think that right now and again this is why I think that fees should be partially borne by the board and by the general taxpayers as well as applicants because then there's a shared benefit here and you want to make sure you're reviewing things that are really benefiting The general public, because you're spending both all of our taxpayer dollars and you as the applicant's dollars. And that's why I've been saying this about planning and other environmental health fees. I think we all have a duty to part of those cost controls. And I think once we make it all on the applicants then the motivation for all of us starts to go down.

So that's my concern there. What about projects that have multiple layers of permits? So there's a lot of projects that have, you know, zoning development plan. They have LUPs underneath there. There are zoning clearances. So how does that all work?

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CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:19:47

Supervisor Nelson through the chair. Really quick, I want to touch on what you said previously and the department is in 100% agreement with you. The goal of this department is to be the most efficient as possible and to streamline costs for applicants so not only that it's pretty much a staff of one if we would have to look at every land use permit It just would make my life miserable. So I do understand what you're saying and we commit to reducing cost applicants as much as possible.

To answer your next question, what happens when you have layered permits? As we have done in the past, layered permits. One fee is applied to the project and that would be the most expensive or the highest classification of the case. So you can have a development permit with a conditional use permit sometimes with a lot line adjustment. We would just charge the development permit fee.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:20:47

I also saw on the ordinance that there's a $2,000 appeal fee in there, the ordinance?

CommentWill RobertsonProposedself-stated1:20:54

Supervisor Nielsen through the chair that is correct. That was modeled after, so this ordinance was modeled after previous ordinances most more specifically the one that was done by the surveyor two years ago and so that was copied language because it worked for them.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:21:10

So I'm concerned about that number as well just because I know that our appeal fee on planning side is Well below that and we've been told that we need to keep that low for many reasons. And so I'm just, I guess like I'm concerned about that number especially comparative to our planning development side because it seems like if we're charging $2,000 of appeal just a decision by on the traffic side You know, far more substantial on the planning side and we had to keep that down. Maybe we should be looking at raising it on the planning side. I think I've been an advocate for that for some time but I think this should be trying to understand why we can have so high on one but not the other.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed1:21:58

Supervisor Nielsen, through the Chair. As Will said it was modeled after our previous ordinances that have gone but I will say that it's very rare that this would come up we make a point of working with applicants and we've been through I mean we were just working on one last week I think or two weeks ago on this And I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts on that.

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UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:22:45

All right, those are my questions. I don't know if we're in deliberations yet or if anybody else has other questions?

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:22:49

No, we can check. Any other questions from the Board? It doesn't look as though there are any. Any requests to speak from the public, Madam Clerk? Chair Caps and members of the Board, we have no requests to speak

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:22:58

from the public on this item.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:23:01

Okay, Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:23:02

Yeah, thank you, Chair Caps. Obviously, I have some concerns still here and so for me—and I want to make sure that Public Works understands that you guys are some of the best bang for our buck in the entire county. So I'm not trying to pick on your department, this is actually a philosophical argument that I've been making for quite some time and I'm trying to be consistent on that so I can't support this at this point. You know it's a 400% increase in fees because we go from 23% to 100%.

That's too high for me. I think that we should have a blend there. I appreciate the flexibility in the hourly versus on the fixed fee determination. I think that's great and glad it's built into there. That gives me less concern. Because I do know how well you guys are stewards of your fee dollars that you guys receive. So, I can't support this at this time. I would like to see the screening tool though that's going to be in use because I think that's going to be a really important piece to this because I think again without that screening tool There's a chance that this could be abused.

I also think that after this, if the board decides to move forward with it, I think we should look at this a year into it to see whether the actual work and the fees balance out because I'm afraid that it might go higher and something that should be looked at. Today I can't support this. I understand why it's before us, I understand the direction the board has made on full cost recovery and so I don't fault the department for bringing this to us. It's absolutely within alignment of what the county's asked you to do. It is something that I'm struggling with especially as we look at the fee load overall because at some point the other downside of fees like there's a $600 fee now for Building a fence and you know people just won't go get the permit, you know.

And that's what I'm afraid of that's also gonna happen too and so you got to balance that out You know sometimes the fee can be as much as the project and I don't think that's what we want to do But I think that's one of those worries that happens when we go down this pathway towards full cost recovery. And I think the other thing that, you know, you guys should also be looking at is what does other jurisdictions charging for the similar actions? You know, I don't know if that was ever, I didn't see that as part of the report. I had enough that I wasn't in agreement with not to go down that route but some of those fees might be considerably higher and when you stack them with the planning fees and environmental health fees our fee load becomes pretty hefty And I think that's something that we need to get our arms around as a board and the county in the future.

We hope to stimulate businesses, and development, and housing.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:25:43

I appreciate that Supervisor Nielsen. I did have a question, not really for this but just how fees get increased in general the fact that this wasn't since 2006 but how come some are annual? But that's more of a broad question not necessarily for you three so anyway with that I think we're ready for motion. I understand you won't be supporting it but so we can do a roll call vote does another supervisor like to make the motion?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:26:07

So I would move A through C on today's board letter with direction that they come back, Public Works come back in a year and report on progress and also give us some benchmark county comparisons.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.751:26:24

I'll second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:26:26

Okay thank you so much. May we have a roll call vote on that please?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:26:37

Thank you so much to our public works team.

We will move on to item number 3 which is Chair Kaps and members of the board, departmental item number three is from the Planning and Development Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding emergency shelters zoning ordinance amendments case numbers 24 ORD 21 and 24 OR D 22 to comply with new state laws and implement program 9 of the chapter 5 of 2023 through 2031 housing element update

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CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:27:31

Madam chair members of the board Today we're bringing back an item that was a requirement out of our housing element update I have Alan Bell our supervising planner and Lila spring new planner three in our department and Lila will be making the presentation today

CommentLila SpringProposedself-stated1:27:49

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning Chair Kaps and members of the Board. As Lisa said my name is Lila Spring and I am here to present the Emergency Shelter Zoning Ordinance amendments. I also wanted to just let you know that we have Jet Black Meritz, the County CSD's Homelessness Assistance Program Manager with us to answer any questions today as well. So first to provide a bit of background on why we are here today.

In the last few years, the state has passed new laws that update the requirements for jurisdictions regarding emergency shelters. First, jurisdictions are required to demonstrate that they have sufficient emergency shelter capacity to accommodate the point in time count and population of unhoused individuals throughout the 2023 to 2031 housing element cycle.

If the county does not have sufficient capacity, then the state requires that some zones be modified to allow emergency shelters ministerially. Second, jurisdictions may apply up to eight specific objective standards to new emergency shelters. And third the state updated definitions of low barrier navigation center and emergency shelter. In addition program nine of the county's 2023-2031 housing element update directs the county to amend its zoning ordinances in order to comply with these new state laws.

Staff determined that the existing emergency shelter capacity within the county's jurisdiction is sufficient to shelter the number of unhoused individuals identified in the 2024 point-in-time count. Therefore, staff recommends relying on its existing emergency shelter capacity to meet state law for the time being. Staff proposes to amend the county's Land Use and Development Code and Coastal Zoning Ordinance to add four objective standards for new emergency shelters, as well as to amend the definitions of emergency shelter and low barrier navigation center in order to align with state law or state changes rather.

Now to provide a bit of additional detail on the existing emergency shelter capacity This chart shows the point in time count for 2020 to 2024 for the unincorporated county, as well as subtotals for the North County and the South County. As you can see, the total for 2024 is 357 individuals. This number changed from the original board letter and is described in this board letter as a discrepancy in the point-in-time count. And I just wanna be clear that the discrepancy was in staff's interpretation of the count, not the count itself. And specifically, the numbers for Isla Vista were mistakenly not included in the total and that has been corrected here.

Staff from Planning and Development and County CSD created an inventory of emergency shelters that are within the county's jurisdiction. This table includes both sites Emergency shelters that are located on sites in the unincorporated County as well as on county-owned sites within incorporated cities. So, the first six of these on the list are county owned sites and the seventh is a privately owned site within the unincorporated County.

The total of seven shelters operate on a year-round basis and provide a total of 365 beds which is eight more than the 2024 point in time count. However, The contracts for Santa Barbara Street Village, which was previously called Dignity Moves as well as Hope Village and La Posada are slated to terminate prior to the end of the current housing element cycle.

So it is possible that beginning in mid-2027 there may be insufficient emergency shelter capacity and this could worsen in 2028 and in 2029. Given the length of time between now and early 2027, staff does not and the uncertainty of what might happen during that time. Staff does not recommend that we address this potential shortfall now but rather that the board reconsider this issue in early 2027 And if there is an actual or anticipated shortfall at that time, to take one or more of the following actions.

One would be to identify county-owned sites for emergency shelters. Another would be to extend the existing contracts for emergency shelters and another would be to amend the county zoning codes to allow emergency shelters in some zones with a ministerial permit. Now to provide a bit more detail on the proposed amendments in the inland and coastal zones, zoning codes.

So state law allows the county to apply up to eight specific objective standards to new emergency shelters and staff propose to apply the following four. One, sufficient parking which means one parking space per each six beds as well as one per each employee. And two an interior or exterior waiting slash client intake area that is screened from public view.

Three on-site management which means at least one staff person onsite during operating hours as well as a 24 hour emergency contact person And for a distance of at least 300 feet between emergency shelters. Staff does not propose to apply the other four optional standards for emergency shelters, and this is based on CSD staff's recommendations as well as the determination that these standards were generally redundant to existing counting codes.

Staff also proposes to update the definition of emergency shelter to include interim interventions. So this is navigation centers, bridge housing and respite or recuperative care and to update the definition of low barrier navigation center to add that these are to clarify that these may be non congregate meaning separate quarters for occupants and that they may be relocatable.

These zoning ordinance amendments are exempt from the provisions of the California Environmental Quality Act, and this is pursuant to CEQA Guidelines Section 15061B3 for having no possibility of significant effect. And this is because these ordinances, these amendments excuse me do not facilitate any new development. In addition, the local coastal program amendment is exempt under section 15265 and that covers the Coastal Zoning Ordinance amendments before you today.

Staff recommends that the Board take the actions identified on pages 1 and 2 of the board letter and summarized on this slide. And this concludes staff's presentation, and we are available for any questions. Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:35:47

Thank you, Ms. Spring. Any questions from the Board? Supervisor Nelson.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:35:52

Yes, thank you Chair Kapsch. On the objective standards, Those for like parking and intake, that kind of limits what could probably happen in a residential area. Is that probably true? I mean it could work on some sites but not others right? That's the whole idea behind objective standards.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:36:16

Supervisor Nelson through the chair. Yeah, the way the law is set up is they like with some other similar laws that we're dealing with for residential uses where they require ministerial review objective standards. That's essentially what's happened with emergency shelters. So the idea is that they would not be subject to discretionary review or approval. They would be subject to the objective standards that we've listed in this ordinance As well as any objective standards that apply to other residential uses in that particular

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:36:47

zone. So I guess help me so what would be the parking requirements for let's say an emergency shelter and a residential zone?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:36:58

We list those as In the ordinance amendment, so the specific requirements for parking for an emergency shelter would be one space per six beds and then one space per employee for a new emergency shelter.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:37:15

Okay, so if the house has four parking spots then you could have one employee in 18 people staying there?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:37:24

Yes.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:37:25

Okay do we have any limits on amount of people that could be living in a residential He's owned property.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:37:32

Yeah, Supervisor Nelson through the chair we did look at that but and the law does allow you to set some limits like You can limit the number of individuals, that is the number of beds. You can also regulate the length of stay but we felt that the size of the property and the size of the structure is really going to be the limiting factor and rather than having us spend time monitoring the number of individuals in a particular facility or monitoring the length of stay, we opted not to include those. The thought was The permitted structure is for an emergency shelter. And for example, the length of stay isn't gonna change the particular land use that's occurring. So we wanted to really kind of minimize staff in the county's role in monitoring and trying enforcing things such as length of stay.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:38:29

I think monitoring is one piece of it but also it's kind of a gatekeeper as well right? You know if you limit the amount of people there then maybe somebody doesn't Do a resident status, 30 people in that neighborhood because they know it's not legal to get a ministerial permit there. So kind of having a limiting cap might be something that might be helpful. Because I see this as You know, this is a residential zone right? So people have an expectation that you know it's a residence and I think it happens maybe. I know what happens in my district might happen some of your others but you know there's a lot of the group homes that will come in and one of the big things that I always are advocating for is for when I work with the group home to try to make it compatible if its neighbors is like let's make you our neighbor so let's have the same type of controls as a neighborhood because I think when people move into a neighborhood they have a reasonable expectation that it stays In a more residential component.

But when there's a lot of people that move in, that kind of turns into something else. And the other challenge with residential properties with emergency shelters is sometimes these are in very suburban areas without not a lot of services around either. So that's one of the other challenges and these may be attractive locations to put shelters in because they might not cost a lot.

But there are further away from services and they potentially can disrupt neighborhoods. And then those, our constituents are gonna come back to us and go how did this happen? And then we're gonna find out that we could have put some controls in place but we maybe did not. And so that's why I think putting controls in place are really helpful for us to be able to answer our constituents saying hey no this is We wanted to keep it residential, so we limited how many people could be there by square footage or bedrooms. I think an objective standards would maybe even having some type of noise.

You know, type of limitations as part of a project if an emergency shelter moved into the neighborhood. Those are some of the challenges that I've seen with some of the group homes that could make this a little bit more compatible and I know you guys don't want to monitor it but I also want to make sure that bad projects or projects that are incompatible don't get through the door in the first place and that's why I think it's important to have maybe a couple more objective standards here.

So I would support something that would add to that as well as if we can keep, and I don't know the number. I mean, I'm open to what the number could be but I think having either a cap or square footage or whatnot. I'm familiar with a lot of this through the H-2A program. We have some caps for that and that's a pretty big number that still fits in a housing unit. I think it's almost 50 square foot per individual Habitable area, and I don't know if that's how these are done in other jurisdictions. And then I also would think that it'd be really important to also have potentially like some quiet hours standard as well as part of an emergency shelter that happened in a residential zone because I think that's gonna be again where we're gonna hear the phone calls.

And I would rather it be below you know a certain standard would be helpful.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:41:47

Supervisor Nelson, through the Chair. Just a couple things to comment on. One is we're not proposing to allow emergency shelters in any zones where they're not currently allowed so we're not making any changes there that was part of our initial thought was to expand it but once we looked into our current capacity we felt that wasn't necessary. Secondly the way the new law is written there are eight We have a list of eight objective development standards that can be applied.

jurisdictions to regulate the maximum number of beds or persons permitted to be served nightly by the facility. But it doesn't have any provisions, for example about noise. That's not one of the standards we can use so we have to be very careful in terms of looking at the eight objective standards that we can apply if your board chooses to go beyond what we've recommended in the draft ordinance.

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UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:42:55

Mr. Bill where are those eight standards? Are they in the staff report?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:42:59

Thank you. On page five of the staff report under definitions and objective standards, we list the four standards that were applying. But we did not list the four that we did not apply. I have the government code in front of me and I can read those for if that would be

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:43:33

helpful. Yeah, can you give them to

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:43:34

me? Okay, the first one is the maximum number of beds or persons permitted to be served nightly by the facility. We did not include that Length of stay, we did not recommend including that. Lighting, we did not include. Security during hours that the emergency shelter is in operation. That's the fourth one that we did not include directly.

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UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:44:04

So I know that three of those four, our lighting standards now are probably more restrictive. Pretty darn restrictive. So I can't imagine those getting any more restrictive than they already are but I would definitely be interested. You know, I think what we're doing right now is fine but I do think that I would like to see us come back with those other three objective standards to further make sure The bar, if it's gonna come into residential zone is high enough to minimize conflict. Because I think there's potential conflict here and just requiring security alone might be enough to help people channel to projects that are a little bit more appropriately cited.

So that's where I'm, again, I can support this but I also would wanna direct to come back with those other three.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:44:56

Yeah, Chair Nelson through the chair. We do have CSD representative we worked very closely with CSD albeit staff that was here previously such as Kim Albers Emily Allen so we did base our recommendation somewhat on their experiences with emergency shelters so it may be helpful to have them comment if you feel that would be helpful

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:45:24

Would you like them to comment now? Okay. Supervisor Hartman.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:45:28

Oh, well I appreciate the question. Excuse me and I think the security one in particular is something that would be important for neighborhood compatibility. My question, we're working together regionally to try to address our issues of our unhoused neighbors And I understand that we're counting the point in time count within the county unincorporated area. What I don't quite understand is how we allocate the beds because both city and county are using some of these facilities so could you explain that to me?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:46:18

Supervisor Hartman through the chair, so the way state law is written. When we look at our current capacity, it allows us to look at sites that are within the unincorporated portion of the county but it also allows us to look at sites that are essentially owned or within the county's jurisdiction so we do have some sites for example up in North County and Santa Maria and We have a site here just a few blocks from us within the city. So we are allowed to essentially, the county is allowed to take credit and count those as existing and apply those toward meeting our point in time count.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:47:07

I understand that, I guess what happens with the City of Santa Maria or the City of Lompoc who's, I mean who counts? Who gets to, I assume they have to go through this process as well it's not just the county and so maybe Director Armas if you if I'm making my question clear maybe you can help me out

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:47:31

Thank you Supervisor Hartman through the chair, Jesus Armas Community Services Director and of course Jed is available also to share her knowledge. Just a point of clarification when we think about emergency shelters I'm not familiar with any shelter that has been proposed by the private sector so effectively A public sector agency is the one that's making a determination of what's an appropriate application use and the like. So there is that overarching safeguard to a certain degree as to the reservation of beds, we typically will not allocate beds to jurisdiction. We do have contracts with service providers who in turn may have received some funding from, excuse me, from an agency and therefore have some allocation of space or through another county department.

So for example Behavioral Wellness has commissioned a number of beds in various facilities and so we approach it that way As to the recognition of incorporated cities, I'm not conversant on that. I would really defer to P&D on how they would receive allocations or credits for this basis.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:48:47

Sure. Well, have I made my question clear? I mean, I think we were looking at the homeless population in unincorporated and we're counting all the beds that the county has. I'm just wondering are the cities double counting? Are they using some of our beds when they're going before their city councils like you're coming before us? How do we make sure that there isn't double counting going on?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:49:16

Supervisor Hartman, that's a point that we'll need to clarify and look into more fully because obviously you want to avoid any ambiguity on that point in double counting as you suggest. But it also underscores something that we conveyed to you when we discussed the pit count and that is the importance of the cities and the county working together particularly since as the data indicated better than 80% of the pit count was in cities. So we obviously need to do a lot more work on that front.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:49:48

Right, and I don't think that point is fully reflected in this.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:49:52

Okay. I want to respond to Supervisor Hartman. What this law does is puts a lot more responsibility on the cities to find these locations. The county has shouldered the big part of the burden. We have the least amount of unsheltered, but we've also invested the most in beds and so those jurisdictions that continue large issues of unsheltered and haven't invested in beds, are going to have to change their zoning to potentially allow more and more emergency shelters in more and more zones. And so I think that's what the state is trying to do. And I think what we're hearing here is hey the county you guys have done a good job.

Maybe I should just back off and take the win. Why do that? To make the meeting shorter. So that's what I see here versus what, you know, I think cities who often just turn to us and say hey we need county to solve this problem. That is often a problem that they are most immediately impacts them.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:50:59

And if I may piggyback on that, then they shouldn't be counting the beds that we've provided. That hence the double counting so just want to underscore that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:51:14

I mean if I can jump in and ask about that specifically. If we change the zoning ordinance, how does that translate with city zoning? I just don't know how that coordination works. Here in the city of Santa Barbara, it seems to be a fair amount of coordination but in other places how does that work? So we make these changes here. What does that mean for shelter in another city where as has been stated 85% of the homeless population lives?

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:51:47

Madam chair members of the board. So our changes affect only our jurisdiction and the and the sites that we own in another jurisdiction so they will have their own rules and regulations Okay, that will dictate how they develop their emergency shelters

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:52:06

And if we own us, how do we own a site just to be I think I know but if we own A site in a city it's because its county land Okay, that's correct. And how many

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:52:17

ballpark would there be of those? So I think in the PowerPoint we had a list of emergency shelters and most of them are actually in other jurisdictions on county-owned land. One thing I wanted to point out too is currently emergency shelters are not allowed in our residential zones They are allowed in other zones that allow residential uses. So the concerns that we were discussing earlier, I think Are addressed by that particular issue?

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role1:52:56

Okay. Thank you. I didn't see that in the presentations.

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:52:59

Great. Yeah, it wasn't clear in our staff report and then so I'm sorry about that. So okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:53:07

But I do think security is an issue for any surrounding neighbor business or others

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:53:15

And maybe I'll pose that as a question. Was that just not included because it's implied? I mean, I know from experience with the ones in my district security is just there's no way that would a project would exist without security. So are we not discussing it because It's a foregone conclusion that security would be part of the project?

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:53:37

Yeah, Madam Chair. That is my expectation but I'd like to have Director Armas to respond to that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:53:46

Chair Caps, as indicated all the emergency shelters are government funded and government supported. And as we've indicated in the past, we made certain to provide that level of oversight and security. So it's already addressed. It's implicit but I don't know that there is a particular harm in identifying that as a standard.

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:54:12

OK. If the board is interested, Madam Chair, in moving forward with adding that objective standard. Rather than coming back, I would like to take a break or trail this to the end of the hearing so that we could come back with an addition.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:54:33

Sure well if I can ask another couple questions. I would be that's fine, I mean I think what we're doing this is a zoning conversation but where we're really talking about people and trying to find the right balance between making the barriers less to have shelters which we need but also making sure we protect And so I had a couple questions that haven't yet been addressed because we've done such a great job as a board, decisions made prior to me joining about using county land. And really that's we've found a real secret sauce in terms of dignity moves in that partnership and have seen so much success. So I noted that we're not Considering other county land until 2027, which I appreciate thought has gone into that but with the sort of sun setting of some of our County projects.

I just wanted to make I just want to hear the rationale for that because I don't want to make sure I don' want to lose an opportunity so if you could just explain why we're waiting till 2027 to even start looking about it and then our next board item has to do with a master plan for a huge County area. So I just want to understand why were not going there now.

Mr. Bell?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed1:55:48

Yes, Supervisor Capps when we looked at this the standard was whether or not we could meet our homeless count with existing facilities and and we showed through the existing facilities that we can meet that count as we move forward some of these facilities that are under contract by the county including Santa Barbara Street Village will sunset. And our rationale for not looking further right now is one, we meet the standards but things change very rapidly in certain senses. In fact just a few weeks ago you extended the contract for Santa Barbara Street for two years. So we just couldn't feel like we could predict what our situation's gonna be in two or 2 1⁄2 years. We may add more facilities, we may lose some but we felt We're good for right now, so let's keep on track and then we'll revisit this approximately six months before the expiration of the first current contract will expire which will allow us to reassess the situation and determine whether we need to begin planning for This is a great model that we're using.

We'd love to use it in other places, but it is almost $2 million annually to fund

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:57:05

Hope Village and We are largely state funded and we know the state is having difficulty in continuing their homeless funding to counties and cities. Working with CSD about what revenues are going to be coming in for us to either do similar developments or even continue these to the extent that we have. We don't have funding identified to keep some of them in place for the next couple, till the end and that's contributing to our deficit so it's not a lack of wanting I think it's a lack of funding as well.

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:57:58

Okay, well let's see. Let's see if there is any public comment and then we can go back to deliberation. Madam Clerk? Chair Kaps and

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:58:07

members of the board we have no request to speak from the public on this item.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:58:12

Okay well since it has been teed up I think the security just given a few things that have been in the news lately I think even though it is implied I think it would be helpful to just spell it out. It doesn't sound like its even any additional I'm not sure if that's going to work per se but I would I would agree with that direction and so we want to we can trail this till the end of the hearing does that sound good.

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction1:58:38

It's up to the board discretion, I think if we could probably put something together in the next 10 minutes, but if you want to

move on to the next item yeah come back let's do

CommentMark ShatilloProposed · by introduction1:58:57

Madam Chair, I was a little confused. Are we taking the ten minutes or are you going to come back? I

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:59:02

would prefer to just

CommentMark ShatilloProposed · by introduction1:59:03

move on to the next item

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:59:04

and then...

CommentMark ShatilloProposed · by introduction1:59:05

We don't need to take any action.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.721:59:06

Okay thank you so

we will move to item number four which is the Kyrie Al master plan if everyone's good with that yeah it's 11 o'clock great did we need a real break because Okay so we will take another short break and come back for item four just to be clear. Okay and we are back with departmental item number four Madam Clerk

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:59:50

Chair Kaps and members of the Board, departmental item number four is from the General Services Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the Cali Real Campus Master Plan, County Project Number 8805, Cali Real Campus Design and Development Standards, County Project Number 23014, and final environmental impact report for the Cali Real Campus Master Plan, County Project Number 21010, and this is in the second district.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:00:18

Dr. Lagocris.

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:00:22

Good morning Chair Kaps and Supervisors. I'm Kirk Lartyquist, Director of General Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for the Cali Real Master Plan part of Capital General Services and Michael Milroy of Ultra Systems Environmental Incorporated who will brief the environmental impact report portion of our brief this morning so excited to bring the master plan back to the board it's been a couple years since we've been here to discuss this A very exciting plan.

Part of what enticed me to apply for this position, I had the good fortune in the Navy to work on multiple master plans and actually build out a couple of campuses. The Navy's boot camp in Great Lakes Illinois and then the Naval SEALs, Navy SEALS compound down in Coronado so exciting. So we will kick this off and discuss the master plans. I guess I got the slides here, so we'll talk about the master plan itself and then we'll talk about design and development standards how we get kind of a congruent campus like feel. And then finally we'll talk about the environmental impact report that's been ongoing for the past two years So general services awarded a contract back in 2019 to Gensler who pulled together this master plan.

What was supposed to be a year and a half obviously got a little delayed due to the covid pandemic in 2020 project ended up taking about 3 years. To finally get conclusion. It was brought to the board in 2022 as a which was approved We've had multiple public engagements on that. And Michael will brief more on that in a moment. So the strategic vision or this, the campus plan is a strategic vision of what we want to do in the future to look at development opportunities. How do we take an old campus? It's been around for over 100 years modernize it get rid of outdated underutilized facilities energy inefficient And create, you know modern more.

useful type facilities for our campus. So part of what Gensler did is they looked at a lot of data, did some facility conditions, looked at market research, conducted multiple interviews with lots of different departments, looked at growth forecasting and then studied historical as well. And obviously the COVID pandemic has kind of changed the way we do work and so We had to pivot a little bit as we went along.

So the goal is, you know over the next 30 years take care of campus recapitalization and on a subsequent slide you'll see so we have 18 total projects over seven different phases. The phases are conceptual at this point of how we can execute all these. If given the money. Each project would be developed, we'd hire an A&E firm to help us build them out and then do construction.

Again this is today we're not looking for funding, we're not asking that board commit to the funding at this point. We realize it's a very large bill and having sat through budget hearings last week I recognize The state of the budget and the outlook for the next few years. But this is a road map for the future of what we can do for the campus. And so it's important that we Approve a plan and approve this EIR so that in the future, given money we could execute that.

You know as far as the funding again recognizing the county's budget but there are other opportunities out there through grants and we specifically had applied for the behavioral health continuum and infrastructure Unfortunately, we were not awarded any grant money this cycle and will continue to go after that in subsequent cycles. But certainly keeping an eye out for unique funding opportunities that we could realize this campus.

So here were the five goals that we laid out during the master plan itself so eliminating buildings beyond their useful life. So again, we've got a hundred year old hospital that our psychiatric health facility is in right now among other facilities. We have buildings that are no longer being used for what they were originally designed for. And so I'd say they're not as efficient as it can be. Certainly, I mentioned energy is a challenge. We've got outdated systems heating ventilation air conditioning. A lot of buildings don't even have air conditioning The goal would be to make a one-stop service center for both health and human services and permitting. So this would allow county constituents, once one basic place to come to in the South County to take care of their needs whether it's you know public health or permitting etc.

Recognizing departmental synergies, and you'll see here on the next slide when I talk to the various campuses within the campus of how we can tie things together. And then obviously Renew 22 was going on at the same time and so aligning the campus with our renew initiatives. And then maximizing current vacant space either in underutilized buildings or vacant land, and again kind of a face of how we work now has changed given hybrid work.

So I think going forward we can utilize some different approaches there too. So I know this is a very busy slide, but I just wanted to kind of walk you through the five different distinct areas of the campus. And I'll start on the South there with the Community Services Campus. So this is south of the 101 sandwiched between Hollister Avenue and the 101. And so community services we've got a few different things there, but specifically if you've got the ball fields, the Ben Page Youth Center, we have a fire station, the coroners facility And it's the site of the former juvenile hall.

And you'll see those little red asterisks, those are identified as future areas for housing and part of the housing element. And so currently at the juvenile hall obviously we heard earlier today about the La Posada Dignity Moves site is right there now but in the future envisioning some housing as well. As we move to the other side of the 101, kind of a core center of the campus here. You got two different things going on. You've got the Health and Government Center. So this would be County Health, the B-Well Facilities, Public Health, sorry Social Services and then eventually potentially bring everything from the downtown campus over there as well. And that's the new government building shown is Phase 7B And then moving to the right there is the in yellow is the main jail complex.

And then moving kind of northerly is the county arts campus. So municipal services, public works and general services where we have our vehicle fleets in lay down yards and then on the north side of Cathedral Oaks is our public safety campus or emergency operations center is up there and fire headquarters So those are the 5 distinct areas again the phasing strategy is conceptual at this point, but we recognize.

The peach colored blocks on here and they are just that, they're blocks. They're not necessarily built out at this point. They're just concepts of what could be there but they sit on top of buildings that are existing so in order to then build them out we have to leapfrog some of these other buildings and so we'll have to build out some temporary space specifically as we were looking at phase 1A here and as we went through the BCHIP process for behavioral health Behavioral wellness and the potential new puff You know we've got employee University in that parking lot. Ag is in there and environmental health so we would have to find them new spots assuming that funding had come through. So again this is a potential phasing strategy and as funding is realized we would then have to actually execute and figure that out.

So with that I'm going transition over to design standards with Ashton Ellis

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:10:02

Thank you, Kirk. Chair Capps and supervisors following this master plan process General Services saw a need to develop standards to guide the future design and development decisions on the Cali Rail campus. The standards aim to create a more consistent and cohesive planning design and development process for design teams contractors project managers stakeholders in future as future projects become realized on the campus To build a foundation for what the county is striving to achieve through these design and development standards, five goals were established.

Embrace the natural topography and ecology of the site. So really just not thinking about the design of the building but how it fits into into the site itself. Cultivate a cohesive image for the campus, kind of define what that aesthetic looks like for the campus. Promote a welcoming experience. Consider how the use of architecture, site design, wayfinding and signage can help define the experience for the campus.

Ensure flexibility on the campus. These standards need to be just as relevant in 30 years as they do today, so including flexibility is essential to being able to have this campus evolve over time. And then finally embrace the diverse and critical functions of the campus. We must consider what the needs are from the built environment for each of the various functions that are on this campus.

As the project team brainstormed about the various functions on this campus, five different building types emerged. So we have public-facing buildings on the campus, secure buildings, healthcare related buildings, housing, warehouse and service buildings and mixed use buildings. A one look fits all approach is not gonna be successful on this campus because each of these different building types have unique needs that must be considered in the standards So using a healthcare facilities prototype as an example, I wanted to share how a few of these standards can be applied.

The architectural standards address physical components of the building like building massing strategies, horizontal and vertical buildings, right? Horizontal and vertical building breaks help to create softer and interesting building forms for more Welcoming and identifiable approach to a building. These basting strategies can also be used to define different programs within a building.

Building materials, the standards recommend the types of materials to use in the scale of building elements at different levels of a building On the ground floor, it is suggested to use natural materials to create a warmer approach to the building and smaller human-scale elements like windows. And as you go higher on floors, you'll have larger scale elements.

The standards also consider intuitive wayfinding strategies into material selections like changing the type or color of materials at building entries to help help naturally guide the people to where they need to go. Site design standards help to guide decision making around the exterior of buildings. We have standards for furniture, both fixed and mobile depending on the intended functions.

Fencing standards are addressed. What you see here is security fencing The standards define minimum height requirements and performance measures for this type of fencing. Arrival areas and drop-off zones are considered. Paving in areas shall use distinct materials, textures or colors to define pedestrian drop off zones and create a sense of arrival. Surface parking standards To improve pedestrian safety, comfort and overall experience surface parking areas shall incorporate pedestrian sidewalks, crosswalks and trees within the parking area and pedestrian pathways.

And here are a few sustainability standards put into use. The facade shading. Horizontal facade shading shall be provided to the south to avoid harsh daylight exposure There is also a standard for vertical facade shading from the west and the east, but there's no requirement from the north. For indoor comfort window wall ratios should not exceed 50% in the south, east and west and not to exceed 60% in the north.

And the final one I would like to mention solar panels for renewable energy to support the county's zero net energy policy for new construction and major renovations. The standard is flexible on the location of the panels, but for this example we use roof panels. And these are just examples of some of the standards that are in the design development The Design and Development Standards contains much more than just architectural, site design and sustainable standards.

Some other sections include access and connectivity standards. This section considers how various modes of transportation vehicle public transportation bicycles and pedestrians interact and navigate on the campus The landscape standards define different zones of landscaping, from structured landscape closer to buildings to a more natural landscape as you move further away from buildings. This section also provides a plant palette incorporating native flora and plant species into the future design strategies.

Signage and wayfinding standards. The standards identify a color palette for each sub campus and a standard signage design strategy to connect all the campuses together, and we ran out The standards with public art standards, exterior lighting standards, safety and security standards and implementation standards. And before I end the design development team collaborated with a few departments and divisions through this process to ensure alignment of these standards across the county planning and development, Public Works Transportation, Public Works Water Resources Division, the Arts Commission facilities Real property and capital projects divisions of general services were all involved to create these standards.

And with that, I will pass it over to Michael Melroy, project manager for Ultra Systems, our county's environmental consultant to present the final EIR.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:17:26

Thank you Ashton. So the location of the campus is 323 acres, out of which there were 96.59 acres identified for potential development and 44.79 acres could be developed with interventions such as fire hazard mitigation and landfill site mitigation. Here's a constraints overlay showing a number of constraints including fire hazard severity zones, debris and sediment management which is up in the public safety campus up at the north end. In the north end of the campus there are the foothill closed landfill 100 year flood zones and also faults and environmentally sensitive habitat.

And then Galitas Cemetery down in the community services campus, which is a non-county property. And then certainly the red areas are slopes with more than 20% grade. So the purpose of the Master plan is to develop a long-range vision for the future of the campus. The goals, as Kirk, to summarize what Kirk went over are to eliminate buildings beyond their useful lives, determine the highest and best use of campus land and properties, identify department synergies to streamline service delivery, and maximize current vacant space both within underutilized buildings as well as vacant land.

The master plan schedule involves seven conceptual phases over an approximately 30-year period. The California Environmental Quality Act or CEQA was passed for several purposes. It requires state and local agencies to analyze and consider environmental impacts of a project as the agencies are deciding whether to approve the project, to inform decision makers in the public about the proposed project and environmental impacts of the project It provides an opportunity for agencies in the public to comment on environmental issues.

Identifies ways to reduce or avoid environmental impacts through mitigation and or project alternatives, and to disclose significant and unavoidable impacts. The final environmental impact report contains an introduction to the project. It is a program level environmental impact report intended to be carried out as Kirk said in 18 different projects, each of those projects is intended to have its own CEQA document that would be more focused on that particular project.

A response to comments, those being comments that were submitted on the draft environmental impact report. Revisions, clarifications and corrections to the draft environmental impact report. Mitigation monitoring and reporting program and technical appendices. As far as the impacts that were identified in the environmental impact report The impacts to several topics were identified as no impact or less than significant impact in the initial study, and thus were not analyzed in detail in the final EIR. Those are agriculture and forestry resources, land use and planning, mineral resources, population and housing, public services, and recreation.

As far as impacts that were analyzed in detail in the final EIR, some of them were determined to be less than significant without requiring mitigation. Those are aesthetics, energy, greenhouse gas emissions, hydrology and water quality, and utilities and service systems. Several other impacts were determined to be potentially significant and require mitigation measures to reduce those impacts to less than significant. Those are air quality, biological resources, cultural resources, geology and soils including paleontological resources. Hazards and hazardous materials, noise, transportation, tribal cultural resources and fire protection and wildfire hazards All potentially significant impacts were determined to be less than significant after implementation of mitigation.

And there were no significant and unavoidable impacts identified. The environmental impact report process started out with preparation of an initial study in the third quarter of 2023, The initial study was distributed along with the notice of preparation of the environmental impact report in the fourth quarter of 2023. There was a public scoping meeting for the environmental impact report held also fourth quarter of 2023.

We prepared the draft EIR from the fourth quarter of 2023 through the third quarter of last year The draft EIR was distributed for public review during the fourth quarter of last year. There was a public meeting to collect comments on the draft EIR, also fourth quarter of last year. We prepared the final environmental impact report in the fourth quarter of last year and the first quarter of this year Public agencies provided comments on the final EIR and during the first quarter of this year. We prepared a findings-of-fact document during the second quarter of this year, and today you are conducting this hearing to consider the project for approval and the final EIR for certification.

If you choose to certify the finally EIR there would be a notice of determination filed with a county clerk within the next couple days

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PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:24:19

Okay so three different things that are presented. So the CaliREAL master plan itself, the design standards and then the environmental impact report itself. I guess at this point we'll open it up. Obviously, as I mentioned previously, I recognize the funding is not there at this point to fund any of these projects so but if I have an approval of the EIR and you know when funding becomes available or were able Or we want to go out for more certificates participation You know, we do have this plan and I think it's Pretty exciting and we'll see what happens So open it

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:25:08

Thank you. We're clearly sitting on a gold mine, it's just a matter of when. Questions from the Board? Supervisor Nielsen?

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:25:15

Yes thank you Chair Kapsch and I'm supportive of certifying the environmental document here but I realize this is a road map, I just don't know if it's THE roadmap because this is a campus You know, countywide resources here. You know, we're just spending $50 million on a probation building. We've got $150-$200 million we're going to spend on a jail expansion.

We've got historical underinvestment in North County facilities. We have a CIP list that is significant and I guess the question may be, maybe CO, talking about what... When do we kind of maybe bring all that together? Is it, we wait till we have money and then we'll decide what our highest priorities are then. How does that discussion happen? Because what I don't want to do is say hey this is our highest priority after these things. It is a high priority. I don' t want to misstate that. I just want to make sure that we at some point get that discussion up here on the dais about once we move forward. I do really like this because it is an opportunistic document There's seven phases, we get funding from the state. You know for a mental health facility we can just plug that in and start moving it's all connected I think this is money well spent so I'm not against this whole concept but just want to make sure I understand and I want also send the right message to staff on where this place is with other priorities at this board may have in the future.

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:26:40

Supervisor through the chair thank you for that question and I'm gonna start broad and get to then your specific answer For many years I've been asking the board if you want to do strategic planning and we started the Kiowa Master Plan because whenever we started it three, four years ago with Ms. Jeff Rappel is here, we thought there was going to be money coming in through savings through our retirement investment and that we knew that in 29-30 then it became 30-31 now if it's 31-32 or That because of the board's financial planning and SB CSUN policies, we would be having paid off our unfunded liability so we would have more revenue coming in.

That revenue is now going to be used most likely for the jail. And so we don't have a ready source of revenue for this project but that was the idea initially. Having said that, the idea was as you said yeah this isn't this is not the highest of all the priorities because we have a whole long list of deferred maintenance projects and capital projects. But we wanted to get ready for that time in 20, 30, 31, 32, 33 to have a plan ready. And again look for grants and see what opportunities so we could get that done. We can have that conversation. I think the conversation is going to be more about what do you want to retain and preserve because we are gonna have to make reductions in this organization, and people may not believe me but when you come to it and you're looking at the budget you'll believe me so It's true, this is not the highest priority on our list.

We were just doing this to prepare and we will be bringing to you different pieces of the budget. We can have a whole overall perspective and you will get that when we come back to you in January with our plan about how we reduce the size of government.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:28:33

One of the questions I did have about the plan was, I think I see up there in the corner where the fire headquarters is. There's also we also have the County Office of Ed building up there and that might present some opportunities in the future and then also I think you know we did start kicking off the conversation about what are we doing about this building and that in the long term too and how does that play into this? You know is there an opportunity here Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:29:18

Well, I just wanted to emphasize what both Chair Kaps and Supervisor Nelson have already said that this building is how we would finance it. And I wonder how we begin putting in place a process to look at how we will go about doing that?

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CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:29:43

Supervisor I mean there's lots of different ways that we could go about looking at that. We when we some time ago we started looking at that but whether we want to do housing here for example or how how we would do that in the first the furthest we got was actually through the Kyle I just want to remind the board that we are building a new structure which is Not going to be cheap and even if we sell this building, I don't want you to think that you're going to Get the return that we may want for this building to build that so I just caution you about I that's what I was thinking But I don' think that's accurate anymore

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:30:37

And and I guess that would be interesting to know If you know what's the highest amount we could get for this and where would it take us? Oh

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:30:52

Good question. I don't have a formal appraisal on this building obviously 4 stories right downtown. I mean, I'm sure it's significant but not enough to make a huge dent in the master plan. I mean when we've completed the master plan in 2022, the cost estimates were 407 million to do those 18 projects my guess based on construction escalation over the last four or five years is probably over 800 million now.

That project on the master plan was identified at 62 million and we applied for 131 million. So a significant jump up almost double or over double.

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:31:40

Supervisors I don't want us to give up hope so I appreciate all your good ideas, I really do. We're juggling a lot it's but we appreciate those good ideas and will continue to look at that and be hopeful and think about what we can do as we start planning more for the future

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:31:57

Supervisor Lee.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.752:31:58

So it's a great plan, but is there something that we can do in the short time? Because touring all the buildings, the number one thing here is air conditioning, heating, soundproofing. Is this something we can do in between?

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:32:13

Supervisor Lee through the chair, yes. I mean we've put off some of the renovation type work in a lot of these buildings at the campus. I mean there is deferred maintenance as Mona mentioned but there's also outdated HVAC equipment and I think the longer we put off doing anything more formally with this master plan we really will need to address those. I know there was a heat wave three years ago I know we've talked previously with the board on energy savings, energy efficiency type projects.

And we're looking at other alternatives there and you know potentially there's some funding out there that we could tap into when we do some energy type reduction projects.

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ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.752:33:08

Got it, and also for the renewable energy do you plan to have battery capacity as well in addition solar? We would.

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:33:16

So as Ashton mentioned during the standards, so utilizing the net zero energy concept that the board has adopted for these buildings and so in order to achieve that most buildings would require some sort of a battery energy storage system tied into it in order to then realize you know after hours when the sun goes down that we can then still have a stream of power. Thank you.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:33:45

Did you have more questions?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:33:48

We were disappointed in the Prop 1 application. It seems an enormous amount of work has gone into this and I think you are all to be commended for doing really super work on it. And I'm just trying to think how we make some progress on the ground so it doesn't just sit as a plan on the shelf. So, I guess I'm wondering what are we applying for in our next round and what have we learned from the last round? How do we make a step forward CEO Miyasato?

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:34:31

I first thought was magic, but that's not an appropriate answer. I think you know as we've said the health campus is the first phase of this and so we will continue to do that. We'll continue to seek the grant. We're going to apply again and see what we can do. And so that's good. And we want our public facing services that are out there and the primary one is improving the behavioral health and public health campuses or county health campuses. So we'll continue to do that, look for grants.

And you know as Supervisor Lee said we know that there are things that are failing out there We're continuing to do as much maintenance as we can. There is going to be a tipping point that we always evaluate or general services always evaluate about how big of an investment, but if we know we're going to keep these buildings for some time, we will probably start looking at that a little bit more. I don't want to say there's nothing that we can do because now that we have a plan We can like we said, we know it and we want we know that we're concentrated on this first phase And so that does help us. It helps us as staff In just the work that Ashton's done about the standards. That's very helpful as well something that we can replicate. So Like I said, I did and General Services continues to look for grants and will work with the other departments as well be well public health

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:35:46

So specific on the be well and Apple applying for the next phase of grant money. We are working with CEO's office and with behavioral wellness to determine what's the biggest and best use going forward so you know we know that signet got money first to build acute beds in Santa Maria Ventura County got renovation money under the front round one and they're going You're going to have acute beds within an hour, hour and a half radius of our campus. And so is there other opportunities that aren't being addressed that we could look at and be competitive for with the grant money?

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ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:36:32

So I thank you. It's a couple of questions. You can feel the tone here is quite restrained because we recognize that I have a lot of specific questions about the plan itself, but it's really pie in the sky in a way because it's a $403 million price tag to get there. So I'm going to show restraint and not ask about housing, not ask about parking and all the things that I have a lot of questions about.

Because really I'm just trying to figure out as my colleagues have indicated, how do we get there? And in a way, in a sense this gold mine of how many acres is it 300?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:37:12

Just over 300. Yeah

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:37:13

and just going there as many of us do regularly. It's just you feel how underutilized it is. I'm just wondering if there's models out there that could provide some sort of revenue I just want to make sure that we have a clear understanding of what it means to be a county without selling. That's just you're the experts, I don't need to come up with them hypothetically here that would not We are in the process of working with

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PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:38:27

Community services on hiring a consultant to talk through public private partnerships specifically for housing. But they may have ideas on how other municipalities have done any kind of P3s as far as new construction and how that might work so It's something we could ask once we get a consultant on board who is skilled in P3s. I mean that is something as far as the housing and EIR, I mean we had 259 housing units called out across the campus.

And I think we've already looked at potentially more density for those putting more units in so yeah there are opportunities there for that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:39:11

And it's such a good place. I mean, I've said this before so at the risk of repeating it's such an ideal place for housing where it's situated near schools and arteries and X. So I just want to if I'm listing my priorities that's at the top no surprise

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:39:27

Well, I mean one's kind of on its way with Hollister Lofts. That was one of the asterisks on that community services section.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:39:34

Yeah and I do just have to ask about the jail if we do you know with the plans to transition most of the population to the north what does that mean? Is that part of the plan if you could just speak too? I just need to understand how that fits into the bigger picture

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:39:51

Supervisors either chair, I think if you use the master plan we have the existing uses shown and I think that at that time and when we make decisions about whether we actually what parts so we can close down after is no longer needed. We would talk about can we amend the plan and EIR to see what else we could do? So there's opportunity there but this plan right now doesn't reflect that like we said this we started this many years ago

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:40:14

okay

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:40:14

but we could always come back and amend the plan when we have more certainty

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:40:18

So at this point in time, this plan presumes that the South County Jail is at capacity.

CommentLeo SmithProposed · by introduction2:40:28

It assumes the facilities are still there?

PresenterKirk LartyquistGeneral Services with me today briefing Ashton Ellis who's project manager for tProposedself-stated2:40:30

Correct. It showed it as a renovation back when we started this in 2019.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:40:39

Other questions from the board? All right, Madam Clerk let's see if there is any public comment please.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:40:44

Chair Kaps and members of the Board we do have two requests to speak from the public on this item. We are going to zoom in beginning with Linda Honigman followed by Mark Shatillo. Linda?

PresenterLinda Honigmanvery hard work on the housing element update and the steps to implementProposedself-stated2:40:58

Greetings Supervisors I'm Linda Honigman a resident of District 2. With the very hard work on the housing element update and the steps to implement, the county has made important strides towards producing more affordable neighborhoods in the South County. The review of the workforce housing study getting a pro-housing designation that qualifies us for grants adding rentals to inclusionary ordinance and examining even more county owned parcels For possibility of future housing production, we're all encouraging actions.

My concern now is whether the adoption of the master plan for which I believe was completed in 2022 might be a backward step for our future housing goals. The two parcels of the campus that made the list of additional sites to consider for housing totaled 205 acres. Currently, there are 116 units planned in that area as part of the Cycle 6 housing element. Quoting from the staff document County Housing Opportunity Sites This site's close proximity to multi-family housing, social services and amenities along with the plans outlined in the Cayo Real Master Plan give it significant development potential.

The master plan calls for the demolition of various existing buildings. The plan also identifies the child family services lot, archives parking lot and above Buell Parking Deck as planned housing sites within the two parcels. The site has several leases that would need to be negotiated, and that could take several years. I believe that is why it was put in the moderate redevelopment potential group.

Given the severity of our housing crisis and uncertainty of what will actually get built, it would seem important to keep your options open. Even a few of those 205 acres could be used effectively, and I might note by other people paying for the construction. For one, opportunities to plan and produce model communities that could provide examples of some of our missing unit types.

Two, the adaptive reuse possibilities for the downtown campus which might require a move to the Cuyahoga campus. Three, the possibility of using community land trusts as recommended by the Harris Consultants to ensure that there is adequate land set aside for affordable housing that will be needed over the next 20 years. And finally Housing Innovation Zones that could offer more flexibility than we are currently getting from state law and developer driven projects that are based primarily on what will pencil out The zones could incentivize businesses to bring jobs and products here. We need to find cost-effective and resilient construction methods like modular and manufacturer components. For details of the above, please see the April 8th letter submitted by Strongtowns.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:44:04

We will now go to our final speaker Mark Sciatello.

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CommentMark ShutilloProposedself-stated2:44:14

Good morning, Madam Chair and members of the board. I'm Mark Shutillo and I'm commenting on as an individual today. And I just wanted to ring the bell and call out that this is a potentially tectonic project that will have effects throughout the city of Santa Barbara and the South Coast but it's been proceeding with limited public engagement and avoiding the normal development review process. The scope project back in 23 included the potential to change the county seat And the FBI are described a potential relocation of the county functions at the admin and engineering buildings, as you've discussed. That would have the effect of moving hundreds of jobs out of the downtown core and direct jobs and then thousands of indirect jobs it's the government equivalent of moving.

of approving a big box mall, moving the urban area to the edge between existing urban areas in the City of Goleta and Santa Barbara with impacts to jobs, housing, transit services and approving very car-centric approach to the future which is not the direction that we've been intending to go. The process, because this is a government, it's county-owned land has avoided any review by the Planning Commission. The BARs, any of the counties advisory committees especially with respect to the design and development standards that you're considering approving today.

There's been very limited community engagement. The CEQA process was announced through a press release there were a total of three public comments And totaling five pages on this project, which by Santa Barbara standards is very limited. And I think it prejudices the community's acceptance and the potential vitality of this project. I note in the development and design standards there's no biological standards whatsoever despite the fact that there's ASHA onsite. And that's actually identified as a primary goal of the project, one of the goals. The use of a programmatic EIR will result in tiering and probably exemptions for the future parts of the project, so don't believe that there's going to be future environmental review as a matter of fact.

There needs to be enhanced community involvement. We need a complete project description of the future uses of the project. There should be review of this project by the Planning Commission, BAR and your advisory committee. And there needs to be a general plan consistency analysis and compliance with 65402 of the government code as well as consultation with the cities that are involved. I understand funding limits mean that this process is probably not going to go anywhere right away.

And I would urge your board not to certify this programmatic EIR, but direct staff to get additional public input both from the public at large as well as perform a general plan consistency analysis and get the input from the Planning Commission, BAR, Planning and Development Department, and from the affected cities. I understand the need for the project and I think it's a laudable goal. However, the process that's been conducted so far is one that really does require It's less than we're accustomed to seeing in Santa Barbara and given this severe the significance of this project and the importance to our community would implore your board to move slowly And ensure that there is the opportunity for a more full-throated level of public engagement to come up with the best possible project, such as the prior speaker indicated.

The importance of ensuring that we conformed the project to the current housing circumstances. So Madam Chair and members of the board thank you for consideration of my comments and concerns here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:48:09

And that concludes public comment on this item

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:48:12

Thank you to our speakers. Any other comments or questions on that? I just did want to ask about the Planning Commission if it's what, if this goes through the Planning Commission. I just don't know process-wise what the situation is. Anybody know?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed2:48:33

Madam Chair, Supervisors. Because this is a county project outside of the coastal zone it wouldn't require county permits but at some point a 65402 determination would go to the Planning Commission at a later stage likely when buildings are authorized or constructions authorized so eventually okay

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:48:50

can I speak to that yeah I mean this is that's troubling with what Mr. Cicciolo was saying just because I mean five of us represent the public and we're all elected you know it's a public process There's a room full of people that want to speak on it. Absolutely not, there's not because they trust us to make these decisions and know these things are going to come in the future and I know that he makes his living off of these types of deals so obviously wants more robust process because there's potential people to sue. So I get his motivation but I do think this is inherently a very public process you got publicly elected officials who are You know, all up here because our constituents put us up here to make these decisions on their behalf.

And I know a public process is great, but you know what? The public process happens constantly. We're all involved in it and conversations with our constituents and the community as these things progress. And i think that's the mentality that Mr. Stillow is referring to is what's gummed up Santa Barbara County for the last 40 years. Stopped playing those games and has been moving forward and trying to advance projects more efficiently and effectively while still respecting the community. And I think that's what you see here, and I'm glad that this is moving forward the way it is. If Mr. Chateau had his way, this thing would never happen because he'd be stuck in a process indefinitely like most things that happened in this county. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:50:16

All right, Supervisor Harmon. I think those are rather harsh comments but what I will say is that the public has limited attention and time and I think they really focus when something is more imminent and thinking about how far out this is it's hard to get engaged so I'm prepared to support the document, the environmental certified document and support the plan. I think that it is an enormous amount of work on the part of the county and I guess maybe I would ask just to run through because you went through rather quickly on the public engagement piece of it but it looked like you did a great deal in connection to the EIR process

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:51:09

Yes, there I have a list of approximately 75 agencies in organizations that we notified of the EIR. There is also a no, I don't have there's a second list. computer of approximately several hundred people and organizations within a 500-foot radius of the campus that were notified by mail. And then there were also the press release, the newspaper articles so on and so forth. So yes, there was a lot of public notification of the EIRFs

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:51:52

Right, but until there's some controversy it's really hard to get people to come out. I do think that Santa Barbara is a highly desirable place to be because the community has played a major role in shaping how it's developed. I realize we're in a new era now and we have to make up for some lost time and can build more housing, but I think public engagement is really critical. But I think we've done all we can given there's not a lot of controversy surrounding this at this point.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:30

Okay, Supervisor, it looks as though we're ready for our motion. Would anyone like to make it?

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:52:37

I'll move staff recommendation.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:40

And that would be A through D.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:52:43

And I'll second.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.722:52:45

All right all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries thank you very much and with that we are going to go back to departmental item number three with an update from our planning director We're just waiting to get it online so. So it's in front of us, but not yet for the public. Is that what you're saying?

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed2:54:16

Yes Chair Kapsa members of the board that is correct we do have it available here in the hearing room and In the back of the room and I am about to pass them out to the board members as well And it can be reflected on the screen But it is not online yet for the public so if we could just wait a few moments To have that available for the public

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:54:48

Could have been me. Thank

PresenterAndrew RothFlood Control DistrictProposedself-stated2:55:13

you.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role2:55:15

No, you didn't.

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.752:55:41

You don't have to I'm sure

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:55:42

that

ElectedRoy LeeSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.752:55:44

you know people

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed3:03:32

Oh. Chair caps and members of the board I'm happy to announce that the additional slide that is available in the back, the room and online as you can see in front of you is now available online for the public as well.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:03:46

Okay, great. And just to explain the delay we want to make sure that the public has access to everything that we're deciding up here so that was what we were waiting for. So now they do and so now let's just take it back to these now five objective standards that we're considering. So Mr. Bell?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed3:04:05

Thank you Chair Kaps, Supervisors. Earlier this morning we talked in the hearing that the proposed zoning ordinance amendments for emergency shelters included Four standards that are allowed under state law, you directed us to add an additional a fifth. objective standard for security. So what we did is we went back and looked at the government code, and actually we're recommending that you just adopt the language that's in the government code that lists the objective standards that are allowed for emergency shelters. And that's number five that we've listed on this slide so that's taken directly from the government code specifically It comes from government code 65583A4B8.

And we would plug it into the development standards that are in the emergency shelter amendments.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:05:06

Any board members have any reaction to that or questions? We're good, okay I think with that I'd entertain a motion that would include that additional standard of security. So moved.

UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role3:05:24

I'll second that.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:05:24

Okay so we're on departmental item number three and that's A through E. Did you say D? I just want to make sure.

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UnidentifiedCounty Executive OfficerProposed · by role3:05:35

With board direction included.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:05:41

And I have motion, and you have a second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Okay motion carries and that concludes our departmental items for the day. County Council please read us out for closed session

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CommentMark ShatilloProposed · by introduction3:05:57

Thank you Madam Chair, members of the Board. The Board is scheduled to meet in closed session on three items of existing litigation. Zimmer v. County of Santa Barbara, Californians for Home Ownership v. the County and Richard Ranch LLC v. the County. They're all Santa Barbara Superior Court cases. And also public employee performance evaluation for directors of the following departments. Agricultural Commissioner, Behavioral Wellness, Child Support Services, Community Services, County Health, Fire, General Services, Human Resources, Information Technology, Planning and Development, Probation, Public Defender, Public Works and Social Services. And the time estimate is an hour and a half.

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:06:36

Okay that's a lot to get through for closed session so I imagine we'll be back around two o'clock to adjourn. All right thanks everybody All right, we are back from closed session. County Council please read us out please.

CommentMark ShatilloProposed · by introduction3:07:01

Thank you Madam Chair and members of the board. The board met in closed session on three items of existing litigation Zimmer versus the county California's for homeownership versus the county and Richard Vance versus the county and on a series of public employee performance evaluations listed in the agenda and the board took no reportable action

ElectedLaura CappsSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.723:07:20

Okay thanks everybody we can adjourn this meeting and we will see you next week on July 1st back here in Santa Barbara. We're adjourned, thanks!