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Roll call, called by Clerk of the Board
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Okay, at this time we just want to get started with the approval of the minutes from our last meeting which was last Tuesday. Move approval.
Second.
All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Madam CEO do you have a report for us this morning? There's no report this morning chair. Okay moving right along madam clerk are there any announcements or changes?
Chair Caps and members of the board, I just have one quick announcement this morning for the Board of Supervisors methods of public participation and to provide public comment on general public comment or an item on the board's agenda. Please see page two of the agenda individuals that would like to provide verbal public comment may do so via zoom by registering in advance via the link available on page 2 if you have any questions please contact the clerk of the boards office at area code 805-568-2240 again that number is 2, 2, 4, 0 that concludes my announcements for today.
Okay we're moving right along will go to our administrative agenda. Would any board members like to pull any items from the administrative agenda?
A14 and 16 okay.
A10 for myself.
14 and 15 I'm sorry. 14 and 15 so and I have so I have a 10 a 9 and a 15
I was 15 as well so.
Okay and Madam Clerk are there any items pulled by the members of the public?
Chair Caps and members of the board we have one request to speak from one of our resolution recipients on A1, so we can go to that after our resolutions been accepted
okay. So now I'll entertain a motion to approve the balance of the administrative agenda except for the items that have been pulled. So moved second. Okay all those in favor, please say aye. Aye motion passes we'll move right to our resolutions those resolutions were presented by a clerk.
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Chair caps and members of the board. Administrative item number one is sponsored by Supervisor Caps and supervisor Hartman. It is to adopt a resolution proclaiming August 26 2025 as Women's Equality Day in Santa Barbara County and joining us in person today, we have Raquel sick. Who is the first district commissioner? And chair for the Women's Commission this year. Tracy Baird Fifth District Commissioner Whereas on August 26, 1920 the 19th Amendment to the United States Constitution was certified granting women the constitutional right to vote after decades of activism and advocacy led by courageous and determined women.
And whereas Women's Equality Day is recognized annually on August 26 to commemorate this historic victory and to celebrate the continued work toward full equality and participation for all women in American society. And whereas the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors acknowledges the significant social, political, cultural and economic contributions of women throughout history and in the present day. And reaffirms its commitment to promoting equity justice and opportunity for all women and girls in Santa Barbara County And whereas despite the progress that has been made, women especially women of color, LGBTQ+, immigrant women and women with disabilities continue to face systemic barriers to equality in education, employment, health care, leadership and safety.
And whereas the County of Santa Barbara values diversity and inclusion, and is committed to addressing gender-based disparities, supporting leadership opportunities for women, and protecting the rights of women to live free from discrimination, violence, and bias. In recognizing that Women's Equality Day serves not only as a commemoration of past victories but also as a call to action to continue striving toward a more just and equitable society.
Now therefore, be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of the County of Santa Barbara does hereby acknowledge August 26 as Women's Equality Day and encourages all residents to reflect on the achievements of women. Acknowledge the work that remains and commit to advancing equity and justice for all women and girls in Santa Barbara County passed and adopted today.
Thank you very much Chair Caps, members of the board and community members. On behalf of the Santa Barbara County Commission for Women I want to sincerely thank you for this resolution honoring women's equality. This recognition is not just symbolic it's a reaffirmation of our county's commitment to fairness dignity and opportunity for all. When we celebrate women's equality we remember the generations of women who came before us those who fought tirelessly for the right to vote to be heard and have a seat at the table.
Their struggles open doors that we now have the responsibility to keep open and to widen for future generations. I'm proud to serve alongside my dedicated colleagues at the Commission for Women, and I'm grateful to this Board of Supervisors for your leadership in advancing equity across our county, and together we can ensure the next generation grows up in a community where equality is not just promised but practiced every day. Thank you for this honor and for your commitment to the women, families, and future of Santa Barbara County.
Supervisor Herman. Well, I just want to thank the Commission for Women and particularly the way that you've been in recent years been reaching out to younger women. I just have noticed the outreach. I know how hard it is women particularly younger women are active in other ways and just say the effort that you've taken to do that and I applaud you. Thank you Madam Clerk next resolution please.
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Chair Caps and members of the Board, Administrative Item Number 2 is sponsored by Supervisor Nelson. It is to adopt a Resolution of Commendation honoring Dr. Suzanne Levy for her dedicated service to education in the community of Santa Barbara County and joining us in person today we have Dr. Suzanne Levy and I will go ahead and read the resolution. Whereas Dr. Suzanne Levy has served as the elected trustee for Area 2 of the Alan Hancock Joint Community College District since December 2020, representing Orkut, Quiama Valley and Southeast Santa Maria. And whereas Dr. Levy is a retired educator and community leader having taught computer science at Alan Hancock College from 1990 to 2003 and later serving in leadership and training roles at Bradman University and Dignity Health.
And whereas she holds degrees from the University of Illinois, UC Santa Barbara and Fielding Graduate University including a doctorate in educational leadership and change. And whereas Dr. Levy has contributed to numerous nonprofit and civic boards including the Awakening Giants Board of Directors, PCPA Foundation, Santa Maria Valley Discovery Museum Orchid Children's Arts Foundation and the Santa Barbara County Commission for Women. And whereas she has long supported youth in education through roles in the PTA, school arts programs, the Math Super Bowl and Hancock's MESA Advisory Committee. And whereas Dr. Levy was named Women of the Year for Santa Barbara County District 5 in 2001 and honored at the Celebrate Philanthropy event for her deep and lasting community impact.
And whereas her lifelong dedication to service, education and leadership continues to inspire others across generations. And now therefore be it hereby ordered and resolved that this Board of Supervisors of Santa Barbara County does hereby recognize and commend Dr. Suzanne Levy for her extraordinary service, leadership and contributions to the college and the broader community passed and adopted today.
Thank you so much chair caps in the board and especially supervisor Nelson. I really appreciate this honor those of us that serve the community don't do it for recognition we do it because our hearts are really in the community and I've really enjoyed all the different aspects I've been able to be involved with. I appreciate that three of my fellow Women's Commissioners are here, Commissioner Beard, Commissioner Zick and Commissioner Young and then also the President of the College Kevin Walters who support me in all these endeavors and I will continue to contribute to the community as I can. Thank you very much.
Supervisor Nelson.
Yes, thank you Chair Caps. Suzanne I just want to take the opportunity to do this presentation. Suzanne is coming off of the Women's Commission as she has been my most senior member there and she has mentored the other young ladies that we have had on there for the last few years and she has been such a great example of a leader in our community for so long and she continues to be and also mentor and I think that is one of the things that she most brings to the table. It is not that she is just leading and there is nobody behind her. There are so many people Come up and see the work that she's done. And in such many diverse locations, whether it's education or just this weekend we were at the Oasis Barbecue. I mean she's touching so many different nonprofits and places in our community that are positive things to celebrate.
It was important for our office and for this county to celebrate Suzanne and all of her hard work. Thank you.
Okay resolution number three please. Oh that's it we're good, we'll move on then to the administrative items that have been pulled Madam Clerk when you're ready. And again by my count I think we have A9, A10 and A15 is that correct?
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And A14. Chair Kaps and members of the board administrative item Number nine is from the Community Services Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding an agreement with the Fund for Santa Barbara to administer a fifth cycle of the County of Santa Barbara Racial Equity Grant Program.
Supervisor Nelson.
Yes, thank you Chair Caps. The reason why I pulled this item was back in 2021 when we created this fund that was done by unanimous vote of the board but there were some concessions and some compromises and at that time my understanding was that we were doing it Through the fund in part because we wanted to get those funds out as quickly as possible and that the county at that time didn't have the capacity through our Human Services Commission, which is usually a grant body or grant giving body was not capable of turning those dollars out quick enough. And so you know my expectation with this was that eventually this would be transitioned over to the Human Services Commission. And so I seen this extended through 2027 is Not what I thought this was going and so I wanted to maybe ask Jesus.
The thought process in that moving forward. And if there is intentions of bringing it forward, again there was lots of compromises that were made in bringing this forward including some collaboration with the fund. The fund has been an organization with some advocacy you know that not everybody's necessarily on the same team if you will. So what's nice about some of these funds when we administer them from the counties, the county is seen as a neutral party or should be and these types of things. So the fund has done a great job walking that line But I also see in times where things are getting a lot more polarized, it's going to be harder and harder to do that. And so having these funds administered from the county makes a lot more sense for my opinion.
So wanted to hear from you guys on where this is at.
Thank you. Excuse me. Thank you Supervisor Nelson through the chair as you indicated we've had some remarkable success with a fund. It's done a great job in trying to not only manage the process but bring forward recommendations for the board's consideration I think one of the important elements, should this be conveyed to the Human Services Commission is really understanding the staff capacity to assist that commission at this time. It as you know brought forward recommendations that totaled some a million dollars or so earlier this year that was very extensive, a very extensive process. So we're not convinced yet that it is able to embark on a new effort of that scale as well as embark on something new here. And so what to the extent that the board is interested in evaluating it, we can examine that more fully and come back to you with some recommendations possibly around the time you evaluate our next fiscal year presentation.
I believe Sarah can correct me but we do have the ability to terminate this contract earlier is the clause
We do.
So I would suggest that we at least extended for a year and we can evaluate whether it should be concluded earlier, but I think it's more important to evaluated in the context of our budget discussion later this year. And Sarah is happy to expand on that.
Thank you supervisor Nelson through the chair and that the contract provisions. Go through that series annual review and decision-making Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board. So if there is something you're seeing or that your board would really like to prioritize, there's the opportunity at the beginning of this cycle. I think to impart that and to work with them to adapt the guidelines are really put a focus if there's a community like to serve or considerations you'd like to share so that could be I think one way to address it and then also I think in the spring when the recommendations are returned. I We're absolutely here and receptive I think to any feedback.
Yes, I'm not critical of the work that the fund has done to this point you know One of those compromises that was made that I actually meet with the fund to have some conversations just to try to include another perspective, but the rest of the public doesn't get that. And so what I'm trying to say is I think that the most transparent process, the process that's most open is to have it done through the Human Services Commission, the most widely representative of the entire county where we all On this board, appoint members to the Human Services Commission. So to me that makes the most sense. I thought that's where we were heading back in 2021 when this was initially started but the reason why that we went with the fund was their urgency and also that the fund at that time had those relationships in those communities that we're really trying to reach at that time.
I would have hoped that by 2025 four years later we'd be further along into advancing that and so Again, I'm just trying to give you some feedback on the history there and where we're going with that. I don't know if my colleagues support that or not but I'm just dealing from my perspective. That's my concern with moving forward again it's not a criticism of the fund or their staff or those that have volunteered to evaluate these applications because I'm going to abstain on this one if one of my colleagues makes a motion to move forward.
at this time. But again, I think it's something that the board and staff should consider moving forward if they want to really make this a fully inclusive process and stay away from some of the polarizing things that we continue to see in our community. And sometimes polarizing is for good reason but again if you want to try to bring in one county, one future, that means you're bringing in all people not just those that you agree with so I think having it done through the Human Services Commission might better represent the entirety of the county. Thank you
Supervisor Harmon, did you
want to? Yes. I think that's an idea worth considering. I think it might be better to consider it in the context of our budget discussions for the next year and since we can terminate the contract at any time that would be my strong preference. I would say that but I think your history is right. We wanted to get that money out quickly what I would say having served myself on the Santa Barbara on the funding funds Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to say one thing about the grant making committee is that they have tremendous in reach to disenfranchise groups throughout our county.
And so it's that proactive nature that I value and you don't have to be a 501 C 3. They help And that isn't always available to groups that are doing really valuable work in the community. So I would like to see the funds distributed to these new groups and give them a shot, and that would be something I'd like for whoever does it in the future but for now I'd like to move that we accept staff's recommendation with the proviso that we maybe consider this again under budget discussions.
And I'd like to support that motion. I just appreciate that this fund is working so well, both the fund and the fund and that you Supervisor Nelson have done your homework as you do by reaching out to the fund ask them about their process and perhaps one suggestion would be that they the fund go to the Human Services Commission and present I think it's important for the board to be able to understand their process. Maybe that adds a little just one step of transparency as they as they make their grant making decisions to that would provide I applaud the board for having made this decision to create this racial equity grant back in 2021. I was watching as a constituent and to know that it's gone on so successfully through the establishment of the fund, having these relationships with grassroots, I think it's smart to keep it going, so I'm happy to second the motion.
All those in favor please say aye and we'll take, I'm sorry, we'll do a roll call vote given the abstention.
Roll-call vote 2–0 motion. All those in favor please say aye and we'll take, I'm sorry, we'll do a roll call · 2 under review
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Motion passes four with one abstention. Thank you.
Then we will move on to A10 which was pulled by Supervisor Lee.
Yes that's me.
But we need to read it. We'll have
the clerk read it into the record chair caps and members of the board administrative item number 10 is from the Community Services Department. It is to consider recommendations regarding the annual update to the inclusionary housing ordinance.
Thank you check capsule. The reason I pull this item is a few questions for Dr. Armis. So, the first one is do these new numbers make any new affordable housing funds available to the county?
Supervisor Lee through the chair, thank you for the question. The county's institution of the inclusionary housing fee was a critical element to try to accumulate monies to assist in the development of affordable housing which in turn of course has made it possible for individuals to acquire a place to live at an affordable rate, which is an important element. What we have seen of course is through the modifications of state law through the modifications of different requirements developers are instead looking to build units and rather than pay the fee Which we think is actually a good outcome because even as we accumulate funds, it pales by comparison to what is needed to develop residential units. Now in this case, as you indicated the county has accumulated over $1 million in funds over the years and we did identify in the report a couple of projects that have been funded so Because those have been completed, those have been available for occupancy by individuals that meet the income requirements.
So absolutely beneficial to the residents of the county.
Got it and just a follow up question so what do these numbers mean for people who are trying in our community to find housing? What does it mean?
It means that they may find assuming a satisfied income limits but they may find units to rent that would not otherwise be available to them so it's a critical element to addressing the really the housing crisis in our county.
Thank you and I just want to say thank you for your hard work and I'll be more than happy to move staff recommendation. So I moved
second. Okay all those in favor aye motion carries. Okay, then we can
move on to the next administrative agenda item which I have is a 14.
Chair caps and members of the board administrative item number 14 is from the county executive office public works department and the Board of Directors water agency it is to consider recommendations regarding responses
And was that Supervisor Hartman? Yeah, I pulled this item and the title of the report is Water Management in Santa Barbara County. Keep up the good work. There was a study done in 2016-17 that looked at the dozen or so water agencies and our our water management agency of the county and came to a different conclusion. So they've seen a lot of improvement. They did make a recommendation that the county actually become more formally recognized as a coordinator of all these agencies, and I don't know how that could be implemented but I would like to commend the work of the agency in particularly Matt Young because he does it informally, creates connections and particularly with the demands of the Groundwater Sustainability Act. We've really been inventing that as we go and he has a grasp on that countywide and it's quite extraordinary.
Ms. Rosen-Ellison was that a holdover? Okay. No, thank you Supervisor Harmon for pulling it. I didn't want to go unnoticed that the Grand Jury gave us a... It's quite unusual to have a report that's just entirely positive so the fact we just snuck it in on an administrative agenda was interesting and noteworthy of itself so thanks for pulling it and highlighting and thanks again to the Grand Jury for their solid work and to Matt Young and his team Okay, moving right along. We will go to the next item I believe it's A15.
Oh we need a motion and excuse
me. Sure Chair Caps yeah so you know the recommendation about having that kind of over countywide umbrella is interesting but you know I think One of the reasons why it's working is because each little community has power over their own system there. And so I think sometimes a bigger organization sometimes leads to less local control, and water is what they always say, whiskey's for drinking, water's for fighting. And so getting it to work the way we do in this county, I'm going to be in favor of going much further than we already have with our water agency. We already have a strong team with a lot of authority and sometimes even go outside their mission to solve community problems.
And so I think I think where we are striking a careful balance there, Why the grand jury would want. I didn't suggest to make that recommendation, but I think that as far as the county goes that we keep going down the current course where we're on because it seems to be moving in a positive direction. That's obviously recognized here. So thank you.
Yeah if I might clarify that was the previous report so the grand jury is saying well done
now. It works.
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Okay, so I just need a motion and a second to accept A14.
I'll move A14
All second. Okay all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries Final item here is A15 Madam Clerk
Thank you. Thank you, madam chair. I just wanted to
Well, there's a lot of people to think on this one but I think Supervisor Hartman will do the other side. I'll thank Santa Maria Fire Department and Chief Dandridge for some forward thinking in this. This is now what's going to happen is they'll be microchip reading machines at five different Santa Maria fire stations so if you find a lost dog instead of having to try to go somewhere else figure out where the pound is and all those types of things.
All you have to do is go to a trusted fire station, and we'll be able to do pet reunification. So I think it's just a really cool low-cost way to make people's lives better so always can support those things. So big shout out to Santa Maria Fire as well as all the other folks that Supervisor Hartman is going to thank
Well
I just wanted to mention the Animal Care Foundation because they're financing this but it does take a lot of cooperators. When I was driving here today in my neighborhood, I saw black dog running free and I thought well if I were Coming to this meeting, I would make sure you know try this out. But I think we all run into situations like that and this makes it much more efficient. I have run into dogs taking them to the Humane Society and then It just takes a lot more time so I think this is an extraordinarily innovative low cost program. So just kudos to everybody who put it together
Excellent. Animal Services Director, are you here? Do you want to speak to it or you're here for something else with your dog? Okay do you want to tell us about your dog? I feel like you might because
I have a whole entourage actually
okay tell us
So what we brought with us today is a sample of what the chip stations look like along with a workup of instructions in English and Spanish on how to use it, and a 24-hour phone number that finders can call to try and locate owners of pets. And if you were here before this meeting actually started, you will know that even seasoned professionals like myself can lose an animal.
But no, this is really an amazing collaboration between so many organizations. Lee Heller who wrote our grant, the Santa Barbara Foundation who issued the grant, Santa Barbara County Animal Care Foundation whose Coordinating the installation with several other civic groups in the area, the Santa Maria Fire Department as was mentioned and we're just very excited to be able to get this tool in the hands of our community.
That's excellent. Supervisor Lavarino?
Thank you and I just want to chime into this only works if your animal is microchipped
Correct.
And I would like to invite all veterans, anybody that's a veteran that has a pet you can come to the Fair Park on October 25th for the 13th annual stand down and we will microchip your pet for free as well as give them food and leashes and bathings and all kinds of other things.
That is a great plug. We will also be there coordinating, handing out supplies and things. And is this dog? This is Ari. Ari is available for adoption. He's terrified of the world. He's kind of like agoraphobic. He loves my house. He is fantastic in my house with people and dogs and just hates the world. The world is scary.
Yeah he
looks very sweet.
Thank you. Thanks for being here.
I just wanted to say something really quick and that is that 20 microchip. Oh, I'm sorry. Linda Greco with the Santa Barbara County Animal Care Foundation and so what I wanted to say was is that 20 scanners were what we have in the first five will be put in Santa Maria and so I'm really proud of the fact that our community will be receiving these and look forward to hopefully your support on things thank you.
Thank you so much it's very exciting Wonderful okay now is the time for general public comment. Oh we need a motion and a second for that please. I'll
move that.
Supervisor Lavagnino?
I'll second.
We got a second by supervisor Hartman all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Motion carries and now is the time for general public comment, time for folks who want to speak about items not on our agenda today Madam Clerk
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Chair Kaps and members of the board, we have 24 requests to speak from the public on general public comment today. And we're going to begin on Zoom with Jacob Lesner Buxton to be followed by Stephen Brown. Jacob?
Good morning Board of Supervisors. My name is Jacob S. Norbergstein and I'm the system coordinator with Access Central Coast, formerly Independent Living Resource Center. We serve people with disabilities and older adults in Santa Barbara County I'm here today to ask you to please negotiate in good faith with the IHSS providers in the county that do a better job helping senior people with disabilities stay in their community and they need a generous wage increase in order to keep providing good care to senior people with disabilities. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Jacob. We will now go to Stephen Brown to be followed by Liliana Manrique. Stephen?
Good morning chair caps, good board members and good morning to those present in person. And on zoom. My name is Stephen Brown, and I live in the lovely town of solving. Firstly, thank everyone. In fact, I want to thank everyone for this living example of how democratic governance works. It is a precious gift that we too often take for granted. Thank you On a rainy foggy evening in the spring of 1775 is silversmith and small business owner, along with two others road through the New England night to warn of the coming war with the British Empire.
Their names were Paul Revere, William Dawes and Samuel Prescott. Everything was about to change the very next day the first battles of the Revolutionary War were fought and born out of that conflict was our revolutionary form of government a government of by and for the people. Since then, there have been moments like that when whether this ongoing experiment in self-governance would fade away or thrive. Whether together we would continue to craft laws and institutions to govern ourselves or surrender that right to some few in power.
I believe today that experiment is once again under assault not by a king an empire, not by a foreign dictator but by established members of our own commonwealth It is under assault by the President of the United States, the Republican Party, its wealthy donors and Republican appointed members of the judiciary. Here in Santa Barbara this assault has been carried out by ICE period full stop to those who doubt who believe it'll work itself out I suggest you're either not paying attention or your complicit or politically speaking you're an idiot We are being called to decide, are we passionate and committed to democracy and the rule of law or does something else?
If the former then we need to choose and decide not looking back. Not seeking a way out learning where to how and how to resist to fight as individuals, as elected officials, as local and state governments. Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. I want, I believe we all want to be able to say whatever the outcome that we fought a good fight. We left it all on the field. Thank you.
We will now go to Liliana Manrique to be followed by Lawanda Lyons-Pruitt. Liliana? And Liliana. Oh, there you go. I see you just unmuted yourself. Please proceed.
Good morning. I hope you can hear me good morning chair caps and supervisors. My name is Liliana Marriquez for Proyecto Accessible program here in Santa Maria and I'm here to speak on behalf of the importance of the fair wages in Santa Barbara County specific to those within the migrant indigenous communities I'm strongly, I'm here to strongly support the United domestic workers request given their concerns related to their wages. Their lack of health care insurance and their lack of vacation time many of our caregivers that provide services identify as indigenous. Many of them have. Indigenous families members with intellectual or developmental disabilities.
These are the families that harvest our food in the fields, they care for our elders, they care for their children, for their neighbors with disabilities. They are too often paid within poverty wages And with little opportunity to advance as they live under a constant fear and uncertainty in the times that we're living in now. I do want to just share one story, a mother in our community, a migrant indigenous worker woman who has a daughter with cerebral palsy she works long hours in caregiving while also supporting her daughter through high school. She had balanced coursework, medical appointments and daily care. And thanks to her strength, this class of 2025, her daughter was able to graduate. And yet despite her sacrifice and her dedication to helping her daughter, this mother and this family still struggles to earn and make enough money to make ends meet.
So within our county's aging population and giving these kids that are constantly given neurodivergent diagnosis, these rates are growing and the demand for care is increasing. And without these livable wages, without opportunities for career pathways so the sustainability of this workforce is not there. So within especially caregivers within indigenous migrant communities They are the backbone of our community and investing in them and investing in a healthier, more compassionate Santa Barbara County. So I'm here to support and we urge the Santa Barbara County to center people with disabilities and support the lives of these workers and enhance their living conditions. I appreciate your time.
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We will now go to LaWanda Lyons-Pruitt to be followed by Sarah McDonald.
Good morning chair caps and supervisors. LaWanda Lyons-Pruitt representing the Santa Maria Lompoc branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, you know us as NAACP. I'm here to speak for the in home supportive caregivers currently earning just $18.67 per hour no medical No vacation, and the offer on the table is 33 cents per hour bringing their salary to $19 an hour.
Now I'm not here to throw you or anyone else under the bus when y'all receive your pay increase which went up about 56,000 annually as I totally agree with the increase Based upon aligning your compensation with county benchmark and data from similar counties in California, which is where these caregivers are. I remind you that minimum wage is $16.50 per hour. You can go to McDonald's, you can make $20 an hour.
I think 33 cents per hour is insulting and we can do better than that. Unless we want to record a message as Walmart did some years ago, encouraging their employees to apply for public service. Please do the right thing and bring your staff and direct your staff to negotiate in good faith and provide these caregivers with a fair living wage. That's all that they're asking for. Thank you.
We will now go to Sarah McDonald to be followed by Nancy Avosi. Sarah?
Good morning, I'm Sarah MacDonald. I am a community member. I represent, I belong to many organizations as you know and my heart is with the caregiver. I was a caregiver for my parents and my late partner And if I had had a little bit of stipendiary help, which this during that day during those times, I would have been able to start building up quarters for my social security.
I'm imploring you to do the right thing and to pay a living wage to a caregiver This will enable them to get the other benefits that they need for not only health, vacation. It will help bring up their morale and maybe get more people into the field. Caregiving is the hardest work you'll ever do and you'll ever love. And it's not just in your home is to other people within the community.
And we have a big, beautiful bill that may require work requirements. This may be the way to get that going so that people can be streamlined into being caregivers and make money and not have to lose their services. Thank you.
We will now go to Nancy Avosi to be followed by Ariel Goodson. Nancy?
Dear members of the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors, my name is Nancy Avos and I'm here on behalf of the Santa Barbara County Action Network and the Gray Panthers Santa Barbara network urging you to invest in our caregivers who take care of our county's older adults Both the Santa Barbara County Action Network and the Gray Panthers Santa Barbara network agree that caregivers should be paid a livable wage, much higher than the proposed $19 per hour.
The MIT Living Wage Index estimates a living wage should be $30.98 for caregivers. We request a similar amount which would keep caregivers in our area and sustaining our population especially where we expect our population to shift towards having more seniors. Please note that the Gray Panther Santa Barbara Network is requesting $30.98 per hour for our caregivers, contrary to the amount written in the original written public comment. Thank you.
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We will now go to Ariel Goodson who is our final speaker on Zoom and then we will return to Santa Maria with some comments from Supervisor Hartmann to be followed by Tracy Baird. And Ariel, I see you have unmuted yourself but we cannot hear you. So if you can please speak into your microphone.
Hello, can you hear me?
Yes, we can please proceed.
Thank you. Good morning, Board of Supervisors. I would like to express my sincere appreciation for your dedicated service to our community. Your leadership and ongoing efforts are valued as an engaged member of the community alongside many others present today. I remain committed to advocating for those in need of support into encouraging others to embrace the confidence required to affect meaningful and positive change.
I would also like to take a moment to extend my gratitude to all the community members who have taken the time to be here today and participate in this important process. I also want to emphasize that ensuring a livable wage is essential to maintaining a strong and sustainable care workforce in our community. Supporting those who care for others is critical to the well-being of our community as a whole, Also, I warmly invite each of you to visit the Isla Vista Food Co-op. We would be honored to welcome you so please feel free to stop by say hello and shop with us once again thank you for your continuing dedication and I encourage you to keep up the important work that you're doing on behalf of our community thank you
And now we will return to Santa Maria and we will begin with some comments from Supervisor Hartman that to be followed by Tracy Baird. Supervisor Hartman, thank you.
Last week at the board we read a resolution into the record celebrating 100 years of the Santa Ynez Valley news And we were unable to present it, and so we're going to do that today. But I received this in the mail in the interim, and it's a wonderful book recounting the history of the Santa Ynez Valley through as recounted through the Santa Ynez Valley News.
And I just wanted to read a quick excerpt Over the past century we've reported from dirt roads and city halls, from harvest fairs to house fires, from world wars to high school graduations. Through it all one thing has remained constant our commitment to telling the stories that really matter to the San Ynez Valley. Looking ahead, our responsibility is as vital as ever. In a time of change and challenge for journalism we remain fiercely dedicated to local news informed community conversation and a paper that reflects the heart of the valley. As you read through this you see the various owners editors reporters and stories that they've reported on It really is an invaluable asset to a community. And so I'm really eager to present this to Tracy Beard today and to Claudia for keeping this going.
So thank you so much. Well done.
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I'm here with Claudia Delgado, 38 years a senior executive advertising with the Santa Ynez Valley News. On 100th anniversary it's not a tribute for the century of journalism but a recognition of the vital role a publication plays in shaping our region and it's very important that we have that right to have what she is doing right now in the news storytelling connection community For Executive Director Margo Cooley who has overseen the newspaper since 2014 and the evening, remind us the enduring impact. While there's been a lot of changes in the newspaper over the last hundred years we continue to celebrate that we bring those stories to our community recording its tragedies celebrating the longtime reporters, the communists that are here with us Let me just say we are proud to have that legacy, the news is still with us.
It changes in many ways with social media on our phone live feeds but we still have public news outlets long-standing public journalism and the freedom of speech with the Santa Ynez Valley News and I thank her team everyone for what she's done so thank you very much and thank you all.
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And we will now return to Santa Maria with public comment to begin with Tracy Baird, to be followed by Steve Wagner. Tracy? All righty, we will move forward with Steve Wagner to be followed by Valerie Ko. Steve?
Good morning. Mindy has two chips. Good morning. I would like again to take a moment to thank the Board of Supervisors for the creation and passing both the mobile home park overlay and the senior mobile home park overlay. Unfortunately, it is a shame that all the time and effort put into the creation of these overlays will eventually make no difference to what the Santa Barbara County Mobile Home Rent Control Ordinance refers to as and I quote A growing shortage of housing units resulting in a critically low vacancy rate and rapidly rising exorbitant rents, exploiting this shortage constitutes serious housing problems affecting a substantial portion of those Santa Barbara County residents who reside in rental housing. You see, the Mobile Home Rent Control Ordinance is becoming extinct and even though the mobile home parks will be preserved they will become unaffordable to those people who now reside in them and will want to reside in them in the future.
Because of the lease exemption clause in the ordinance, all of the people with leases as opposed to month-to-month rental agreements which the ordinance does serve will be priced out of ownership of their own homes. And since a vast majority of the mobile home park owners and management companies are refusing to give new buyers month-to-month rental agreements that have the rent control protection of the ordinance, those parks which she worked so hard to save will now become unaffordable to those who need them the most.
Following me will be speakers outlining the economics of mobile home living in Santa Barbara County and how some park owners are actually using the lease exemption in the ordinance as a weapon against the very mobile home residents it was created to serve. Thank you so much.
And we will now go to Valerie Coe to be followed by Cheryl Fredrickson. Valerie?
Good morning. Thank you for the courtesy of listening to me, I do appreciate it. Sales interference is the attempt by mobile home park management companies to sabotage the sale of a mobile home to a private buyer forcing the seller to sell the mobile home to the park owner. To stop this legislature passed and the government signed Assembly Bill 456 Unfortunately, sales interference is still possible in Santa Barbara County because of the lease exemption clause in our own Santa Barbara County mobile home rent control ordinance.
You hold in front of you the story of how park owners and management companies are doing this. We have included all of the contact information you need to talk to the mobile home owners and verify their story. Would you please use the rest of my time to read the resident's letter concerning this very subject? The resident's contact information is included in the folders you received but will not be made public for fear of retaliation, thank you.
We will now go to Cheryl Fredrickson to be followed by Judy Birch. Cheryl?
Good morning, Chair Kaps and Supervisors. Last year the Consumer Price Index rose 3.4%. Under rent control my rent would have increased 2.55% which would have been covered by the Social Security Cost of Living Adjustment of 2.5%. Unfortunately, my rent in Sunny Hills Mobile Home Community went up 4%. My renting neighbors in Noelwood Village went up to 7%. Elderly women are increasingly recognized as significant and a growing segment of the homeless population.
Research indicates that the number of older women experiencing the homelessness is rising, particularly among those age 50 and above. Factors contributing to this trend include economic instability, lack of affordable housing and social isolation. Many elderly women face fixed incomes often relevant on Social Security which may not cover living expenses. and mental health challenges can limit employment opportunities and increase vulnerability.
The shortage of affordable housing options disproportionately affects older women, especially those who are single or widowed. Studies show that older women are more likely to experience homelessness later in life compared to men. The intersection of gender age socioeconomic status plays a critical role in this demographic shift. Reports from organizations like the National Alliance to End Homelessness and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development provide insight into these trends.
This information highlights the growing concern regarding elderly women and the homelessness population, emphasizing the need for targeted support and resources. We need the protection of the already existing Santa Barbara Mobile Home Rent Control Ordinance to include us long-term leaseholders in its protection. Thank you for hearing me.
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We will now go to Judy Birch to be followed by Lorenzo Nevarez.
Good morning everybody. I'm a long term leaseholder in Sunny Hills Mobile Home Park and my rent started in November 2016 at $735,000 and now it's $1,057,000 and it's going up another 4% in October My husband has a terminal illness and I don't know if I'm going to be able to stay there with these increases, especially since when I first came in the combined utilities was just over $100.
Now I have electric bills of 160. I just got a large water bill. I'm going to talk a little bit about my utilities. My utilities went from almost 100 gas of course in certain months, it's more for because I guess heating so basically my utilities went from like a 100 to 300. I ran also increased and So I'm really hoping that something can be done about rent control.
Most of the bubble home parks are seniors and as last guest just stated, we are more likely to be homeless and I don't know where I'd go actually you know apartments are going to be more than I'm paying now Thank you.
We will now go to Lorenzo Navarez, to be followed by Jeremy Oldberg. Lorenzo?
Thank you and good morning. My name is Lorenzo. I'm a proud UDW member and an IHSS caregiver from Guadalupe. I'm here today just not just as a worker but as the father and provider and an advocate for my son Raven. And in many ways he still thinks and acts like he's 10. He lives with autism, ADHD, bipolar and schizophrenic psychosis Every day I'm his full-time caregiver because he needs me every moment of every day. I bathe him, I cook for him, I help him get dressed and make sure he takes his medication on time and gets the rest he needs.
If something goes wrong if he needs or his medication stops working if he doesn't get sleep he could spiral into a psychotic episode that's not something I take lightly His life depends on this care. There was one moment that changed everything for me during one of his episodes, Raven was taken to Marion Hospital without notifying us. They transferred him to another hospital six hours away.
We had no say in the decision and worse they were preparing to release him even though he clearly wasn't stable simply because That terrifying experience made it clear to me I had to become his legal conservator. He needs someone to fight for him, someone who understood him, loved him and would never let him fall through the cracks. This is not part-time work. This is not minimum wage work, this is real health care work. It takes 24 7 commitment strength and compassion and yet caregivers like me many of us single parents are barely scraping by while cost of gas food and rent keep rising.
We give our all to care for others and in return we're offered cents not dollars We do this work out of love, but love doesn't pay the bills. Love doesn't keep the lights on or put food on the table. We deserve more than symbolic raises. We deserve to be seen, respected and paid as the essential workers we are. Thousands of vulnerable people across California rely on us to live safely in their homes.
That care doesn't come easy. It comes from people like me, caregivers who give everything they have every day. So today I'm asking and no I'm urging you give caregivers the raise we deserve for us this is not a job it's a responsibility it's a calling and this work should be honored thank you.
We will now go to You know, just to let everyone know I kind of let it go for a little bit but we're not really keep the clapping. We're not supposed to be clapping and we're just supposed to be listening to each other so that we can keep this going. Thank you Mr. Goldberg.
You will now go to Jeremy Goldberg to be followed by Patrick Yangert. There we go there we go
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Good morning, Supervisors. My name is Jeremy Goldberg. I'm the Executive Director of the Central Coast Labor Council. We're a coalition of 75 labor unions on the central coast that represent over 70,000 workers in every sector of the economy, every corner of the region and we are all in support of IHSS workers here in this county and we think That they deserve a little bit more respect than it seems like they're getting from this county right now.
A lot of the times I think we look and we kind of miss what they do day in and day out, we decided as a society that care is better when it happens in the home than when it happens outside the home. And so a lot of their work, we don't see what they do day in and day out. One I don't know if you ever have but I hope you do spend time with them in their homes understanding the care that they give.
But I would say like the important understanding here is that we made a conscious decision as a society. The workers of this county Recognize their contribution. We see them, we appreciate them, we respect them and we hope that the wages they get in this next contract from this county match that respect. And so I would encourage you to try and understand what exactly they are getting from staff What their bargaining position is what they're asking for and what they need to feel seen and respected when they go to work every day doing this vital care work that we just.
We don't see you know the hardship day in day out and so I think you'll probably hear more of those specific stories from them, and I just can't emphasize enough that we need more We need more recognition of what they do day in and day out. And the workers from all across the sector of this county, we spend time with UDW with their members trying to learn, trying to understand what they face and that's why not just me there are other workers that are here today to talk in support of them you've heard from some of them on Zoom. They need more to be able to get by day-by-day and continue to do the work that they do and do it with respect. Thank you.
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Good morning. I'm Patrick Younger with Santa Maria Firefighters Local 2020, and I love dogs. Great. Let's start with that. So hey, I'm here to talk today in support of domestic workers. I've lived here my whole life. Served the community since 2000. Community of Guadalupe, Santa Maria, also unincorporated areas at Orchid. You know, so I want to provide a little color to what the domestic workers do if you don't know.
So I got a son, he's a senior in high school. And you get to that age it's like what's going to happen next? You're gonna go to college? What are you gonna do? Think of your future. So I've got a lot of my son's friends that hit me up, hey how do I get a job in fire service? We'll talk about things like where to go to school, Hancock City College EMT licenses those kind of things and it's sort of freestyle they can ask me whatever they want, I'll tell them. Inevitably the conversation will go something like this So you see a lot of things, right? Yeah.
Sometimes things are not pleasant, kind of gross. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen? And usually they're going to think, you know, you're going to hear some scene of violence or car crashes, things like that, all unpleasant. But that's not really the thing that we see frequently that's bad. The big thing is neglect. It's people who can't care for themselves.
We go to their homes to help them. And a lot of times, the basic things that you do in life that we all take for granted, showering, using the restroom, feeding ourselves. When somebody lives at home alone and they don't have a support system of any kind, they're going to rely on caregivers to arrive and help them, help them with their medications, help them with their sanitation.
help them live the life that they should in our communities. So I'm here to support the domestic workers and their efforts, I would hate to lose some of them or start to lose them to other lines of work in our community because they play a vital role here and I am glad anytime I show up to someone's home and there's a caregiver there to interface with me to better help their clients.
Thank you please support them.
We will now go to Carmen Rhodes to be followed by Jenny Sparks. Carmen?
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Good morning, Supervisors. My name is Carmen Rhodes and I live in Santa Barbara. I'm the Director of the UCSB Community Labor Center and a friend and former colleague of Adi Barkin, the Santa Barbara activist who passed away in 2023 from complications of ALS. Audie relied on a stable team of well-trained caregivers who made life in his paralyzed body possible.
He fought to expand federal funding for home and community based services so caregivers could earn better wages and more people in need could access care. Yet today, instead of the expansion we deserve, we face federal policies that will cruelly harm caregivers and those who rely on them. We cannot accept this as our fate. Here in Santa Barbara County, one of the wealthiest regions in the world, our IHSS caregivers still do not earn a living wage.
Without raises that move closer to that standard it will be harder to recruit caregivers. Federal attacks on immigrant workers will further shrink the labor supply. Meanwhile according to the master plan on aging approved this summer our county already faces a steep shortage of caregivers. Supervisors, you are hearing about the critical work of our caregivers today.
Your IHSS workforce and the people they serve need help weathering this storm. You are on the front lines. You can reduce the harm of federal policy and ensure people like Adi receive the care they need. It's time to sharpen pencils. It's time to look at rainy day funds and it's time to find creative ways to raise wages for this essential workforce. Thank you for your time.
We will now go to Jenny Sparks to be followed by Eileen Pickle, Jenny.
Hello, I'm Jeannie Sparks and I too love dogs. I adopted two from the Santa Barbara County Animal Shelter and I really appreciate what the county shelter does as well as the animal care foundation. I'm here today to speak on behalf of Santa Barbara County Action Network to urge you to support our in-home service care workers They're essential workers and they deserve a fair wage and benefits. I'm also here to speak personally in honor of my mother who needed caregivers for the last six years of her life.
She had dementia, and she was insulin dependent. And that made her care especially difficult and sometimes made her difficult. It took special caregivers to charm her and to keep her from throwing them out. So it really does take professionals, special care people to take care of others who need it. The caregivers made it possible for her to stay at home and have a quality of life that wouldn't have been possible elsewhere. Not only do caregivers deserve a fair wage but the people needing care deserve the best people taking care of them.
Paying a fair wage helps to make sure the best people will be able to remain caregivers and not move on to other jobs that pay more. In my mother's last few years, when her lifelong friends were no longer coming around to see her, her caregivers became her best friends. They were like family. They showed her love and they made her life the best it could be.
She would beam when her favorite caregivers came to visit her So let's support caregivers with a living wage so they can continue to support the people who need their care. And they can and people like my mother can be one of their favorite caregivers come to see them. Thank you.
We will now go to Eileen Pickle to be followed by Gabriel Mendoza, Eileen.
Hello. And I'm glad to have the opportunity to be here, to give support to my dear friends of the United Domestic Workers. This brings back a lot of memories and experiences of being an unpaid caregiver for my own mother Who had kidney disease and scoliosis, and who was in a lot of pain. And thankfully I could say thank God for my brother who ran a successful business.
He was very supportive but it was mostly just us. And I really have to ask you to please give respect and sufficient pay For the unfair wages and compensation for the people who deserve to be paid, and who deserve a decent living wage. And I know that You have knowledge and awareness, please show it. Please care about your community because this is all our communities.
Your country, my country, our country, we've got to do what we can. And thank you so much for your time because I know what it was like to have work and dedication and honor and experience exhaustion for loved ones. Thank you.
We will now go to Gabriel Mendoza, to be followed by Ronaldo Rodriguez. Gabriel?
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Good morning Chair Cops and Supervisors. My name is Gabriel Mendoza I'm a casework manager working with directly with Sinclair Health members in the city of Santa Barbara, Santa Maria with my cup. I'm here to strongly support that United Domestic Workers to request to the board given their concern related to their wages lack of health care insurance and lack of vacation time.
In my work in my cup I work with a lot of indigenous families. When someone in their family is disabled or elderly, the responsibility always falls on them. Most of them, families don't know how to get through that complicated process, application process, or they don't have help in their Their own language, also they don't do it themselves. They provide that care not because they're trained or support but because there's no other option.
I have seen parents and siblings give up on their own jobs, their own health and their own stability just to make sure their loved ones are okay. Some are working more than eight hours A day between in the fields and caregiving. And out for that work, they still pay get paid not enough with no health insurance with no time off. It's it's exhausting. It is unfair. It is not sustainable.
A living wage is not a luxury. It is the minimum needed for caregivers to survive and for our county to have strong, reliable care workforce. If we don't fix this, if we keep losing caregivers and families will be left without supports At that sad moment when our community needs them, need them the most. That's why I'm today I'm standing in solidarity with United Domestic Workers caregivers. I urge this county of Santa Barbara to do the right thing raise wages provide benefits and show that we value the people who care for others and people with disabilities.
We urge the county of Santa Barbara to To center people with disabilities and support the lives of IHHS workers who are engaged in living condition and health of disabled and early community members. Thank you.
We will now go to Ronaldo Rodriguez, to be followed by Ricardo Cruz. Ronaldo?
Muy buenos días. Voy a requerir su apoyo. Mi nombre es Reinaldo Rodríguez, soy organizador comunitario aquí en Santa María. Estoy aquí para apoyar la petición que están haciendo los trabajadores domésticos unidos y los cuidadores del programa IHSS de nuestro condado
Good morning Supervisor Copps and Supervisors. My name is Reynaldo Rodriguez, Community Organizer with My Cup Here Santa Maria. I'm here today to support the petition of United Domestic Workers and the caregivers of the IHSS program in our county.
Currently, caregivers in Santa Barbara County earn a very low wage per hour. You are witness to how difficult it is today to live with such a low wage due to the high cost of living through the county. Hoy estoy aquí respaldando y siendo testigo de lo difícil que es esta labor, y no es valorado. Es una falta respecto al trabajo tan delicado que ellos realizan, y tan es así que hasta salvan vida de nuestros adultos mayores y personas con discapacidades.
I'm here supporting and bearing the witness to how difficult this work is, and how undervalued it is. It is the lack of respect for the dedicated work into work so vital that it's even saved a life for elders, adults, and people with disabilities.
Al igual que los cuidadores, los trabajadores del campo, las personas que alimentan a esta comunidad también están luchando por un salario justo. Los trabajadores del campo son esenciales, los cuidadores son esenciales y sin embargo seguimos ignorándolos y subvalorando su labor.
This fight for dignified wage does not occur in isolation. Just like caregivers, farm workers, the people who feed this community are also fighting for fair wages. Farm workers are essential, caregivers are essential and yet we continue to ignore them and undervalue their labor.
Estamos aquí apoyando a esta causa para una vida digna de los residentes de nuestro condado y sus familias. Eso significa un salario digno, atención médica y vacaciones tanto para los cuidadores también voltean los ojos de ver los trabajadores agrícolas que ellos también merecen nuestra atención. Gracias
We are here supporting this cause for dignified life for the residents of our county and their families. That means fair wages, medical care and vacation for caregivers and also turning our attention to farm workers because they deserve our attention. Thank you so much for the opportunity for your comments. Thank you.
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We will now go to Ricardo Cruz to be followed by Fernando Martinez. Ricardo?
Good morning Chair Kaps and Supervisors. My name is Ricardo Cruz, and I'm a case manager with Micop here in Santa Maria. And I'm here to advocate for the families that I work with, but also to support the UDW's requests to the board which includes the concerns for wages, the lack of health insurance and the lack of vacation time. Now as a case manager, I see firsthand the struggles of the community I serve. Families are struggling to make ends meet, well one because the wages they're paid have not kept up with the rising cost of living And two, the care providers are not given enough authorized hours to truly meet the needs of the person they're caring for or their own needs.
Now, the hardship goes beyond finances. Again, the needs of their loved ones with disabilities do not stop once IHS hours run out. Caregivers often cannot seek outside employment because their family members require around-the-clock attention well beyond what the program authorizes. Now on top of this, families live under heavy emotional burden. The constant uncertainty of whether it will be enough hours to keep their loved ones safe or if they can pay the rent this month takes a serious toll on their mental health and physical health.
The IHSS program is not just about wages and hours. It's about dignity, stability, and the right for families to care for their loved ones without sacrificing their own health, livelihood, or future. Now, we urge you to center people with disabilities and support the lives of IHS workers who are enhanced living conditions and elderly community members here in Santa Maria. Thank you.
We will now go to Fernando Martinez to be followed by Mary Bolden.
Yes, Fernando Martinez with MICOP. Good morning Supervisors my name is Fernando with MICOP and I'm here in solidarity with my brothers and sisters from the United Domestic Workers many who are in this room and many had left for many reasons just because caregiving is not easy right? A lot of times they have to The people that are being cared for, they need their own space and they cannot be in this type of space. Right now our caregivers who provide essential life sustaining care are being offered an agreement that does not reflect the true value of their work freezing their compensation for the next three years and denying basic compensation like health coverage paid time off And other benefits clearly shows a message that their labor, time and well-being are not a priority.
Caregivers are the ones who bathe, feed and care for the loved ones when they can no longer care for themselves. They're the lifeline for our elders and people with disabilities ensuring that they remain in their homes and communities with dignity yet their own needs are being overlooked. These struggles are not happening in isolation. Farm workers who grow and harvest food we eat face the same challenges as many of you know, our farm workers are currently fighting for better wages in our county.
If we want to build a Santa Barbara County that honors all its residents, especially the most vulnerable, we must also honor those who care for them. That means more than words. It means real respect, real support, commitment to fair wages. I heard earlier today folks mentioning about the risk of being homeless. I can't imagine a caregiver becoming homeless because they cannot afford to pay their rent and I doubt many of them have mortgages just because having a mortgage, it's a privilege at this point. I urge you to support fair wages for our domestic caregivers. Thank you.
We will now go to Mary Bolden to be followed by Edward Lamberson. Mary, take your time.
Good morning. My name is Mary Bolden, and this is my son Tom. Last week I spoke with you about the work we do. Today I want to talk about what we give up to do it. The cost of caregiving isn't just measured in hours per week. It's measured in years of our life. IHSS caregivers are sacrificing our own futures to care for the people we love. Many of us are forced to drain our savings, rely on credit cards and give up any chance of building financial stability. This isn't a temporary hardship this is a permanent financial penalty.
I know for every year we serve as full-time caregivers we lose the chance to earn our own social security or aging into poverty and despair. The physical and mental toll is just as severe. Caregiving is a relentless high stress job Rates of burnout, depression and anxiety among caregivers are far higher than in the general population. The strain of lifting, carrying and constantly being on call takes a real toll on our bodies. We sleep too little, eat poorly and postpone our own medical health we're at higher risk for chronic illness and even early death. And yet IHSS pays a flat rate, $18.67 an hour whether you're helping with light errands or managing complex disabilities like seizures, incontinence or self-harming behaviors. I'm not asking for higher pay for harder cases.
What I'm saying is this right now the workforce is so thin, so underpaid that only families with the least demanding needs can find support. Families like mine with the highest needs are left without backup Many of us gave up careers to do this work. We gave up promotions, retirement plans and dreams we spent years building. Some of us left jobs we loved, positions where we were respected, where our time and expertise were valued because our loved ones needed us more. We walked away from stability to provide care that no one else could give knowing there would be no safety net We didn't make that choice lightly. We made it out of duty and necessity, but choosing to care should not mean being condemned to poverty. This work is essential and it comes at enormous personal cost.
The fact that the county chooses not to offer us a fair wage while surrounding counties do is not just disappointing, it's crushing. We're not asking for a handout. We're asking for a living wage, a wage that protects our health, secures our future and respects our work. There's no amount of money that can fully repay what we give but the county can begin to make it right by doing its job and paying us fairly. That would be a good start recognizing that our lives are just as valuable as the lives we care for.
Thank you for your time.
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We will now go to Edward Lamberson, to be followed by Andy Caldwell who is our final speaker. Edward?
Good morning, Board of Supervisors. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak today. My name is Edward Lamberson. I am an IHSS recipient from Guadalupe and I'm here today to tell this board that it needs to give IHS workers like the ones who care for me a wage that will allow them to thrive while doing their essential work. I depend on my caregivers for 24-hour care. My mother had to retire early in order to help my brother provide that care.
They are my lifeline, my support system and my advocates. Without them, I couldn't effectively be a fifth district member on the Behavioral Wellness Commission for Santa Barbara County and I wouldn't have graduated from Allan Hancock College and transferred to Cal Poly to complete my bachelor's degree. Without IHSS, I would be forced into a costly and understaffed care facility. In fact, I tried living in the care facility in Los Angeles but only lasted there 17 days. The staff was overwhelmed, undertrained, unable to meet my needs and the needs of the other residents in the facility.
One individual I spoke to stated that he called for assistance at 8 AM but didn't receive any until close to 11 AM. I was overmedicated on purpose instead of being treated. So, I returned home to be cared for by my mother and my brother again. The pay does not reflect the value of their work and unless we start paying IHSS workers what they are worth people like me will find ourselves back in those already overworked and overburdened assisted living facilities.
Why, with such low pay IHS workers cannot afford to do this work. Where else would I go without the option to receive life-affirming care in my own home? By offering a thriving wage for IHSS providers we can attract and retain skilled caregivers who are committed to delivering the high quality care that individuals like me deserve A thriving wage acknowledges their hard work and allows them to provide the best care possible.
That thriving wage also makes sure that people who need the care, like me, are given freedom and autonomy to get the care where they choose and to live with dignity and respect in our own homes. Thank you.
And we will now go to Andy Caldwell, who is our final speaker and general public comment. Andy?
Madam Chair, members of the board, Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. This is directed to the whole board but with particular focus on Supervisor Kaps and Lee. You both ran on an agenda having to do with the marijuana industry. And what we felt has been completely ignored during the course of conversations about the Glass House raid is whether or not Glass House is in compliance with its permits.
As you well know, the state law requires background checks and state law also prohibits minors from even being on a property of Obviously the release, there were people that had been convicted of rape, kidnapping, first degree rape. People that had been arrested for terrorism, felony firearm possession, willful child cruelty, indecent exposure And the list goes on and on.
So when are you going to have a hearing to revoke Glass House's permit? Because the record of these people is published, it's official public record. And again, that 14 children or so that were there that had been trafficked, you don't get across the border unless you pay up front or you pay with your labor sometimes your body after having crossed that border.
And we think that you're ignoring this. They're the largest grower in the region and secondly, they have several dispensaries are you going to ignore this? It's a legitimate question and you know I wrote a column about this couple years ago another grower actually sued Glass House claiming the Glass House is the cartel And you have to ask yourself, how did that list of unsavory people end up all working at a pot farm?
Pretty ginormous coincidence at a minimum. Again, rape, kidnapping, first-degree rape, terrorism, felony firearms, child cruelty, indecent exposure We are expecting a hearing and a revocation. Because again, the warrant issued names the people they found there based on that warrant thank you.
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Okay and we're back. Madam clerk if you can please read department item number one into the record
chair caps of members of the board department item number one is from the county executive office it is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding County support for state legislation Senate bill 6 2 7, 8, 0, 5,
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Members of the Board, at the July 15th board meeting you directed staff to undertake several actions in response to concerns from the board and from community members about recent enforcement activities by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE that had occurred in Santa Barbara County. This included sending communications to ICE, considering support of two state legislative bills, amending the county legislative platform to add more explicit language about immigration enforcement and considering a county policy that would clarify how departments interact with ICE.
This agenda item follows up on two of those requests, the legislative bills and also communications with ICE. The other items will be brought to the board on September 16th. The recommended actions for this item are to support California State Senate Bill 627, also to support Senate Bill 805 and to receive and file an update on these follow-up actions as well as find them exempt from CEQA.
Senate Bill 627 prohibits federal, state and local law enforcement officers from wearing face masks and personal disguises with certain exceptions. This bill was amended late last week so it no longer includes provisions requiring advanced notice of masked operations to the local agency with jurisdiction. The amendments also add some general findings about the impact of masking on relations with the public And it also requires law enforcement agencies to develop their own internal policies about when facial coverings would be allowed.
Senate Bill 805 requires law enforcement officers to display identification, including their name or badge number again with certain exceptions. It expands certain crimes related to impersonating an officer and has a few other specific provisions. So both of these bills passed out of Assembly Appropriations last week and they'll be up for a vote on the Assembly floor before the end of next week, September 5th.
There may be some amendments that happen between now and then and then they would also need to return to the Senate for a floor vote because of the amendments that have already occurred in the Assembly. The last day for voting in this session is September 12th Of note, both of these bills have an urgency clause which means they require a two-thirds vote in each chamber and then they would take effect immediately upon the signature of the governor rather than the typical date of January 1st.
Some of the issues raised in support and opposition of these bills are included in the agenda item attachments. The primary opposition has been from law enforcement groups. As we've reviewed committee testimony, we do think there are a lot of exemptions in these bills that would meet their concerns. I'll note that the California State Association of Counties has not taken a position on either of these bills.
So based on the discussion that we heard from the board on July 15th, which named a lot of concerns about masking and lack of identification by federal agents. Staff is recommending a support position for both of these bills. And lastly, some updates on communications. Staff sent a letter to the acting director of ICE Todd Lyons and we also submitted a Freedom of Information Act request through the portal.
We did receive an initial reply saying that the anticipated response is in 30 business days. That would be the end of this week. We have not received anything yet. The official status is that it is searching for records Chair Capps also sent a letter to the ICE Los Angeles office asking representative to appear at the board and I understand her office has not received anything in response.
So, the remaining items of the board requested looking at platform language and potentially any change to county policies will be heard on September 16th So just to go back to the recommended actions. To adopt these 2 bills and receive and file the report. That's the end of my presentation.
Thank you miss Tobin any questions or comments from the board surprise a lot of you know I
have a question so how do we? How is the state of California able prevent a federal law enforcement officer from anything, from whatever they're doing. I'm just figuring out the jurisdiction on this.
Sure. Supervisor Labanino through the chair. A very good question. I am not an attorney. I think it's likely that the state may not be able to enforce this on federal agencies but it is a statement that they want to make and they would apply this to also state and local law enforcement officers.
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So thank you for this. I appreciate, you know we had this hearing on July 15th it was about a seven hour item if you all recall following the July 10th ice raid in Carpinteria and Supervisor Lee's district that about 200 people were present at and one of the main well one of many messages that came out of it was the terror that was felt from so many people, so many constituents from the fact that these ICE agents were masked, were hidden or they added to the fear with added to the terror. So I actually have a question for Supervisor Lee who is there to just describe because I wasn't there what did that feel like?
To have somebody a law enforcement personnel be in that position of power and to be masked.
So when you see a law enforcement most of the time they are, you can see their face right? They were CHP officers later on we saw some deputies, Santa Barbara County deputies that was not covered up their faces so to see these federal agents cover our faces was very intimidating it was very upsetting and scary for a lot of people who were intended so Being for the community to see their faces is very important, to see who are there present. So I support staff recommendation. This is important that we do that.
Yeah, thank you and I the sheriff's office is not here. We did we did connect with him yesterday but at our hearing on July 15th we did affirm that it is our Santa Barbara County's policy that our law enforcement would never be masked in any situation Thank you for giving the update on the legislative. I have some questions about the other pieces but I want to see if my colleagues have any other questions?
Supervisor Hartman. You described a change in the legislation on masking and it went by kind of quickly so could you elaborate or just map that out for me a little more detail? Sure, certainly.
So yeah these bills were I just wanted to say thank you to all of the board members for being here today. I know it came out quite late in the session right to be responsive and so they have been undergoing some further amendments. SB 627 had these amendments at Any law enforcement agency that was going to use masked operations to notify other local agencies, that provision has been removed. They did add some I would say they're just general findings not unlike what Supervisor Lee was just talking about What is the impact on the community of interacting with law enforcement that is masked?
Basically finding that the state thinks that this is negative for public safety. So, that's more statements as opposed to policy and then it also added some language about all law enforcement agencies would need to have specific policies where they would allow masking under certain circumstances so that might be for I'm not sure if it's related to SWAT operations or medical issues, but basically they would just be forced to outline what those policies were.
So does that mean that the state is requiring police departments and the sheriff's department to develop these policies for their own? And does the bill say anything about what, give guidelines or again I'm still wrestling with Supervisor Lavinino's question about what then would be expected of federal agents.
Sure. There are a few bullet points, I guess I would say of things that they're supposed to include in the policy. It's not incredibly detailed. There isn't like a model policy. It does say that the policy stands until challenged by some other agency or by a member of the public so it's kind of assumed that it's sufficient until there's some kind of legal action that occurs. Yes, According to the bill apply to federal agencies, but I think given the legal and jurisdictional situation. I'm not sure that they would actually
have and the lack of guidance. I mean that's the part that sort of struggling.
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I can pull up the language if you give me just a moment There are other questions.
Yeah, in the meantime I have gotten word that under Sheriff Bonner is available on Zoom so maybe I will let him state what I stated for him which was our own policy so under Sheriff Bonner thanks for being here. I'm going to let you speak
Thanks Supervisor Kapp. So as you stated, you know with local law enforcement agencies we wear recognizable uniforms with badges with our nameplate or nametapes and our patches on our shoulders to identify who we are not only as an organization but also as individual deputies and police officers As you stated Generally speaking, there are very narrow circumstances under which our personnel are allowed to wear the balaclavas. And it was brought up actually by CEO's office, you know SWAT operations where they're wearing fire retardant balaclavas is one of those and another one would be if we have a detective who is actively in an undercover status Where again, we don't want their image getting out there and endangering their safety. Those are kind of the two circumstances in which local law enforcement would in fact wear a balaclava as we have seen but otherwise We do not wear them and we were clearly identified uniforms Not only showing which organization were with but also who we are as an individual deputy or officer
Thank you, Under Sheriff. I know that there's been a lot of fear. I've received emails and heard stories of people fearing of impersonation of law enforcement. We know that there was this tragedy in Minnesota of an actual state legislator who was killed and another who was injured from someone impersonating law enforcement. Do you have any comment on On what any guidance or or incidences of the public and so we're just in a very fearful time right now.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean anybody who has that type of concern right where they see individuals who appear to be in quasi military quasi law enforcement garb but without identification absolutely contact your local law enforcement agency if we don't know what's going on We will come investigate it. But like I said, typically you know we've been really working hard to build relationships with all of the federal agencies and make sure that they are notifying us for deconfliction so that we do in fact know if we receive that call what's going on because otherwise we will go out there and investigate it.
So as far as you are understanding, if current policy is if ICE agent is masked they do have some other form of identification?
I can't say that for certain. I mean I've certainly seen images where I'm not seeing name tapes or even I guess in some instances they have an identification number that's on their vest But yeah, I've certainly seen images where you have, you know, a masked individual and I'm not seeing clear identification of which agency with and who they are as an individual like we would do for California peace officers.
However, as was brought up. And one of the key concerns that sheriffs have is what, you know, what is the legality of this? We don't believe that we have any standing to tell a federal agency what they have to do. You know, certainly we're going to tell our folks what they have to do and all other California agencies have those mandates also but there is this concern about, you know, what standing does the state of California have to tell the federal agency what
Well, I would argue and I appreciate the this. I mean we have to do something. I mean sure we have jurisdictional but we have literally people that are ICE agents without identification without wearing masks striking fear, pulling people off the street. And so this bill these two pieces of legislation are attempting California's attempt to rein that in and other states are doing the same and I'm in full support of trying our constituents are in full support of trying and what you know how do we enforce it let's try I mean we have to do this is This is our chance in history to stand up to literally power and fear, and fear mongering, and abuse of power. So I don't want to get bogged down in like how's this going to be implemented or implemented?
This is chaos. If I could share something for our community. Sure.
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I have had a number of discussions with the men and women who are actually out there, right? Not the high level from Washington or even down south. The men and women of these federal agencies who are here in our community. And by and large they are members of our community. They live here. And the reason that they are wearing those masks, the reason why they are reticent to allow themselves to be identified is because they are being followed and they're concerned for their safety and the safety of their families. So if there's one thing that we locally can do to mitigate the reason why these officers are doing that is to stop following them around. Do not try to follow them home.
Do not dox them in their families Because that, you know again there may be other things at play that we don't know about. But in the conversations that I've had with the actual men and women that are doing this they're residents of our communities and they're doing it for their safety and the safety of their families
Well, I certainly support and the district attorney was very powerful in his comments at that hearing of we all just need to be keep the peace on both sides. So thank you under Sheriff Bonner other questions? I know we have a couple members of the public that would like to speak Madam Clerk
Chair Capps and members of the board yes we have three requests to speak from the public on this item. We are going to begin on zoom with Larry Barrett, to be followed by Julissa Pena. Larry? Can you hear me? Yes we can please proceed.
Chair Caps, Supervisors I'm Larry Barrett A leader of Indivisible Santa Barbara and a member of the 805 Immigrant Coalition. Thank you for your friendly reception to my public comment last week about how your oath to the Constitution requires you to protect our community. Indivisible and the 805 Immigrant Coalition support the adoption of the position before you today to support SB 627 and SB 805. We ask you to endorse other state legislation supporting immigrant and undocumented communities including SB 48 restricting information shared with ICE by schools, SB 81 covering information shared with ICE by health care facilities SB 841, limiting info shared by homeless and domestic violence shelters.
SB 313, limiting information on birth certificates that could be exploited by ICE. And AB 421, no cooperation with ICE activities occurring within a mile of daycare centers medical facilities and places of worship Even with the impending September 12 deadline, your support is important to encourage the legislature to pass these bills at a later date if need be.
Today's agenda item also covers this board's FOIA request and asks for ICE officials to appear here in public forum. These queries to ICE were made following your frank admission on July 15, Chair Kaps, that you need basic facts. That you don't receive information about who is detained and who is deported or about the tactics employed by ICE. So let me state the obvious. First, even if ICE had responded to you it would have been less than you need to know and you would not be able to trust any of it.
Second, if you don't have the basic information about the problem of ICE enforcement, you cannot confidently assert that some of you do, that you're doing all you can to address the problem. For one thing, you're not doing all you can to learn the facts. You can learn from our sheriff who as we've heard routinely receives de-conflicting notices from ICE telling him where ICE will be and when. He could disclose this information to you when he receives it or at least after the fact. He could dispatch an officer or two to the scene where ICE is operating to switch on their body cams and report back to you During the COVID emergency you had contact tracers out in the field and you tracked every hospitalization, every death, every shift in R0. How else could you plan and act?
During this ICE-created emergency it's your responsibility to find the facts you need to plan and act but you're not going to learn the truth by expecting ICE to reveal it all for you. You will remain in the dark if you continue to tiptoe around the sheriff out of fear of offending him And if you're not proactively pursuing the truth, you cannot at the same time tell us you're doing everything your oath requires to protect our community. Thank you.
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We will remain on Zoom with Julissa Pena then we will return to Santa Maria with Andy Caldwell.
Good morning, County Board of Supervisors. My name is Julissa Peña, Executive Director of the Immigrant Legal Defense Center and I respectfully urge the board to send letters of support for Senate Bill 627 and 805. SB627 responds to a growing and alarming trend of federal immigration agents wearing masks and concealing their identities during raids and public operations. These tactics instill fear create confusion and undermine accountability. Families are left terrified, unable to even identify who is taking their loved ones away. The fact that federal immigration officers have been permitted to mask themselves and hide their identities has not been for their protection but rather to facilitate due process violations while evading accountability for unlawful actions.
SB 627 makes clear that in a democracy there is no place for secret police SB 805 requires all law enforcement officers to display visible identification, strengthening laws against impersonation. While it is true that these state measures cannot bind federal immigration agents, they are still critical to protecting our communities here in California. SB 627 will ensure that state and local law enforcement cannot conceal their identities during public operations and will prevent them from assisting federal agents who operate under masks and without accountability. SB 805 will prohibit arms vigilante groups from acting as unauthorized immigration enforcers in our state. Most importantly, both bills protect the reputation of local law enforcement officers by making sure community members can clearly distinguish them from impersonators or unmarked federal agents.
This clarity not only builds public trust, but also safeguards the integrity of those who serve our county with honor. These bills uphold a simple truth in a democracy law enforcement must be visible accountable and transparent here in Santa Barbara County we recognize that the legitimacy of government rests on the trust of the people and the trust cannot exist when secrecy and intimidation are allowed to flourish Supporting these bills is both a defense of immigrant families and a defense of the democratic values that protect us all. Thank you so much for your time.
And we will now return to Santa Maria with Andy Caldwell who is our final speaker on this item, Andy?
Madam Chair, members of the board, Andy Caldwell representing CoLab. We really believe that you've blown an opportunity for consensus building our organization and many others don't want otherwise law-abiding farm workers or construction workers or hotel workers rounded up and deported we would rather them get a work permit But unless and until you acknowledge the fact that the federal government has a right, the duty and the obligation to enforce federal laws.
You are going to just end up getting run over. If you really wanted to change this, if you really wanted for instance to prevent another glass house from happening. You would appeal to the state of California and sanctuary status. The feds would rather pick up the criminals they're looking for at the jail or a prison rather than on the street but your policy pretty much prevents that from happening secondly where is your concern for the traffic children I didn't hear one ounce of concern that they found unaccompanied minors and you know that some of them are trafficked into prostitution not to work at a pot farm.
Do you not want the feds to be able to find the 300,000 traffic children that are in America including in our county? Then finally, there is a several million people couple million people who have received final orders to deport. They don't have any constitutional rights to appeal that they've had the final order to deport the feds have the authority Obama deported more than Trump by a factor I think of 10 times and we didn't hear you complain about the Obama administration doing that So we would ask that you would recognize that you're part of the problem.
If you allowed them to pick up people at the county jail They won't be doing workplace raids for the majority of these people. They're not going after the otherwise law-abiding immigrants, but if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, Trump doesn't have a catch and release program. And you're tilting at windmills thinking that you could order the feds to do one thing or another. In reality, you have zero authority.
Zero. Why don't you work on something you do have authority on, and that is the sanctuary status that's making things worse? And where is your compassion for the victims of the people that have been raped, the children that had been molested, the women that have been brutalized? Where is your compassion for the victims of the criminals that ICE and Border Patrol are trying to arrest and deport Do you really think they have a right to be here? Like the guy that in San Luis, they just picked him up for being arrested for trying to rape an unconscious woman. Do you really want to defend that rapist ability to stay here? They have a right to stay here. How many more victims do you remember Marilyn Ferris bludgeoned and raped in Santa Maria by somebody who had been deported several times?
Where's your compassion for the victims?
And that concludes public comment on this item.
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Okay, other comments? Supervisor Lavinio.
Well this obviously is loaded. First off I don't like when we do It's almost like an honorary resolution. I mean, what this comes down to is we're gonna try to tell the federal government what to do because it's something we don't like. I have to remind people, people voted for this. This is where we gotta get our heads around. People voted for this. Now, I don't know if they were uninformed and I donno how they were uninformed because President Trump walked around and told everybody exactly what he was gonna do I believed it and I didn't vote for him.
Other people either didn't believe him or they liked other parts of it or something else, I don't know what happened but this is basically we got what we asked for. Not all of us but a majority of Americans voted for this. I'm supporting this, I'm going to put my name on this because First off, there's so many exemptions. That's the other thing they're way too many exemptions in this thing.
So I think California is trying to pass something that just says hey look what we did. But I can't vote against it because I also feel like it is trying to send a message. And so, I want that message to be heard as well. I've talked to...I actually have in my family a member of law enforcement that had to go stand Down in Los Angeles when these riots were going on, he did not wear a mask and he said I wouldn't wear a mask unless I was working in undercover or working you know in a drug cartel situation where something like that was going on.
But this whole idea that if we picked him up at the jail we wouldn't have to do these raids Supervisor Nelson and I went to visit ICE. They aren't going to the jail, that's the problem. Some of the ones are getting out of Lompoc Prison but we have a list of 1800 felony warrants out there if ICE was serious about just getting rid of the criminals work off that list! That's an easy list to just go okay how many of these people are not citizens? Those are the people to go get I honestly, when we do the sheriff's report of the truth act.
It bothers me when people come up and say nobody should be deported, right? Because as you said there are violent criminals here. A small, small, small, small fraction of people that are here most of them are here working on the businesses that actually support your organization farming hotel industry good upstanding people that are just here to work hard no one's asking I don't think anybody here Well, unfortunately there are some that just don't want anybody here. But when you talk about that we missed an opportunity to do consensus building I think the opportunity was missed by the Trump administration if they would have started with just saying look we're going to go after violent criminals I don't know who would be opposed to that. Very, very few people.
But snatching people off the street with people that don't even look like cops, that I'm not sure are cops, that are masked, that are then threatening people that are trying to figure out who they are or what's happening? That's not the American way. That's not what we've been raised with. That's not what I expect in our communities. I think it's always funny when we talk about, hey there's something this administration is doing that well Biden did this or Obama did this and it just turns into this playground kindergarten playground argument of well you did that so we're going to do this. I'm hearing that with the masking. Well Antifa wore a mask so I get to wear a mask. Well you thought it was wrong when Antifa was doing it so why are we doing it?
Somebody has got to be the grown up in the room and usually should be The administration that's in power right now, so I hold law enforcement to a higher standard. They hold themselves to a higher standard and so masking or not even identifying yourself to another law enforcement officer that your law enforcement at what organization you're with we're running into that right now.
So I don't think this is going to change anything because even though it's sending a message and it makes people maybe feel better, they're still going to show up with the mask on. There's really nothing we're going to be able to do about it right now. We're not gonna be able to do anything about it. A couple years from now, I hope people remember and this time take things a little more seriously when you sit down and look at that ballot that what are we voting for?
Because if you think you got hoodwinked, you should have been paying better attention because I sure as heck knew what was coming.
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Supervisor Nelson?
Yes thank you Chair Kaps and just like my comments on the 15th of July it will come to nobody's surprise that I may have a little bit different perspective on the circumstances that we're in and also what we're doing here. I think that there is chaos, and I do think part of it's caused by the federal administration. But it's something that's caused here at home in the state of California SB 54, the idea that we're not cooperating with other law enforcement agencies that are swear to uphold the same constitution that we do here as supervisors and as our law enforcement do is to me strange and ridiculous.
I understand the idea that you want to build trust in the community But you build trust by actually doing the work and building the relationships, not by not communicating with somebody. And I think for the chaos that exists locally and nationally is in partly because of that lack of communication. You know we don't know what happened at Glass House I mean, it's still a big question mark. You know, I still haven't seen the warrant. Some of our other law enforcement agencies haven't been able to get the message of what actually was happening there. We can make some conclusions based on other evidence, understand that that's a right that people have to do and people will.
But that's what happens when you have lack of information. So, you know, I think the state of California has some responsibility here on the level of chaos that exists In our community, you know I heard that they weren't picking people up at our jail in part because we're not communicating. We're not letting them know what's going on there because of SB 54 the limitations that we have because I think we should all be on board on removing criminals from our community that have no right to be here. You know their guests that have actually and absolutely overstayed their welcome in our community And so again, I'm not going to be supportive of this legislation.
I think the context matters. I think even the title matters. I'm trying to be less adversarial and trying to be more cooperative in trying to find solutions that our community might exist. I am concerned for the safety of Homeland Security and federal agents that work in our communities, that live in our communities. You know, we had one of our local newspapers post pictures of every single person that didn't have a mask on that was working there. So I mean, we're already complicit here in our community. We had from this same dais people refer to them as Nazis, as brown shirts.
I mean, when you see that kind of threat in your community, that almost creates a vigilante on the other side towards law enforcement. And that's really, I think, unfortunate And I think that's something that we shouldn't be promoting. So at this point, if this legislation on masks and IDs were happening in another context as just a better more transparent form of public safety, I would be glad to have that conversation with the community but I think the context of what's happening right here matters I think if we want to be working towards solving some of these problems, I would prefer to be working with the administration and the federal government on solving some of these. Also in our community, I would prefer to be spending our time and effort on working on helping people get legal work visas so they don't have to live in secret.
They don't have to live in the dark. They don't have to live with the risk and the fear of potentially deportation. You know, some of the work that I was doing when I was helping extensively with a farm worker resource center was setting up meetings with our farm workers with the consulate in Mexico so we could get them the proper paperwork they needed to do so they could begin to gain their legal status. I think if our board really wants to help our community, that's what we should be doing for immigrant community right now is work on helping people get out of a place where they're living in an illegality and getting into a place where they can be a comfortable member of our community instead of somebody that's living in the shadows. So again, I'm not going to support this This motion I did support it coming back.
I always believe in having more information but you know after taking a look at myself, it's not something that I feel comfortable with supporting today and I would ask that whatever letter gets sent on this that reflects the votes that were made over this board. Thank you.
Thank you. Supervisor Hartman?
I believe that what people expected from this administration was to deport violent criminals, that maybe that wasn't well defined. But we now see that they're defining people who are here with unsatisfactory immigration status as criminals and I think that's where the point of disagreement is In my world, no name, no badge, no agency means there's no way to hold somebody accountable and that just opens the door to potential abuse. It creates a culture of impunity And it's really a tactic to instill fear and intimidation. I mean, somebody it's just scary. And being an ethnic minority, being a woman, you shouldn't have to live that way. This isn't so much for me about Glass House. This is the community arrests and people I know who've actually encountered this and been thrown to the ground or told to get on the ground.
They're citizens. They shouldn't be treated that way. When you create that kind of thing, it's a way that protesters disappear. There can be unlawful detention. There can be violence inflicted on people and there is no... It defies every legal norm of a democracy and it signals a slide towards authoritarianism and we've seen this in other countries And it encourages, it's not that ICE are brown shirts but it encourages vigilantes. It encourages people to pretend that they're one of these and you can't tell the difference. And that is really frightening. That's what creates fear.
And when we have a president who has lauded Proud Boys and even in the valley where I live, when there's protests, we've got outside groups saying they're going to come in and help. Writing to the mayor of Solvang and Muleton, they're willing to come—they're coming in to help maintain order because our law enforcement can't do it. I mean this is where order breaks down.
And so, I agree. There's not a lot that we can expect that will actually be effective about this but I think it's an important statement to make so I support it.
Thank you Supervisor Hartman. Anything more? Yeah, it's a I appreciate the community putting forward this request to identify you know identifying this mask issue is just one of many but I do think it speaks to the terror. It speaks to where we are and while on the one hand Supervisor Lavinia I totally agree with you that You know, we knew what we were getting on the one hand. On the other hand you know I blink sometimes and I can't believe where we are right that we're at a day and age in August of this administration where we do have this situation where people are getting plucked off the street and it's because of this quota of 3,000 a day where they're going to Home Depots now as opposed to getting criminals as opposed to actually I think something that we all agree on that criminal should be deported I mean, that's the consensus.
That's the consensus building. That's where we of course support the sheriff and support the work but as the speaker said, Julissa Pena, democracy depends on law enforcement being transparent, being self-identified. The fact that we're even having this conversation that we know who is a law enforcement agent and who isn't This is a 2025 year that I didn't know that we would be even having this conversation. That you want to make, be able to know? I mean it speaks to my privilege but I would I as a woman the way that I look get into car with a masked man there no way in hell.
I would be calling 9-1-1. I'd be calling the sheriff. I wouldn't I mean the fact that's happening to other women to other people Because of the color of their skin, because of where they work, because of their status, because of their job, because what language they speak, because their economics. It's wrong. I mean there is no way I would. And it's just we have to do what we can.
Yeah, this legislation I think it speaks to what California stands for. It speaks to our values. I believe it's going to pass. I want to be proud that Santa Barbara County sends a strong message that we stand behind it with our legislators and you know who knows? This lawsuit that I hope we also support when it comes back to us It seems to be working. The workplace raids that the City of L.A. and the ACLU have sued the Trump administration, that injunction seems to be holding.
Those have stopped at least for the moment so the tools that we have are very limited but in this day and age when we're up against We have to be as creative and forceful as possible. And I'm looking for solutions and so this legislation, I'm all in support of. So with that, I will move staff recommendation unless it's already been, I don't think it has. I'll second.
All right, Supervisor Lavagnino with a second.
Roll-call vote Passed 4–1 move staff recommendation unless it's already been, I don't think it has. I'll second. All right, Supervisor Lavagnino with a second.
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motion passes 4-1. Okay
thanks to everybody
we will move on to the next departmental item
Chair Caps and members of the board departmental item number two is from the planning and development Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding the fam con pipe and supply general plan amendment rezone and development plan case numbers 23 GPA 123 RZN one and 23 DVP 16 and this
Good morning members of the board. We're just getting ourselves set up here will just be one minute
and chair caps members of the board before we proceed if we can please get ex parte from
Yes, if I could Chair Caps. Sure. Yes this is in my district and this has been a project that's been in the works for many many years so I've had multiple conversations with Steve Pinza of the owner of FANCON as well as Jerry Schmidt who's a local commercial real estate agent as well as the former agent David Swink for Urban Planning Concepts and their current agent Gallery Macon from Flowers & Associates The context and the conversations were about the appropriateness of this zoning and change in the area, as well as traffic and the planning process to get it eventually to the board. So those were the context and the conversations that we had with those parties.
Supervisor Lavinio?
I had a very brief phone conversation yesterday with Tim Seifert, one of the proponents and just talked about the zoning.
Okay any other
Supervisor
Hartman?
Yes, I had my monthly meeting with our Planning Director yesterday and spoke about this briefly as well as spoke with Galerie Macon in a Zoom call yesterday and it was just general if I had any questions which I didn't
Okay. Supervisor Lee? And none for me.
Okay, none for me either.
All right All right, madam chair members of the board. As miss Alexander indicated this is a request for a general plan amendment and rezone of a site that is on the eastern side of the one oh one it's called fam con pipe in supply and today we have Steve Conner the project planner when by alert the surprising planner and Travis Seward's deputy director all available to answer questions and I'm going
Thank you, Director Plowman. Good morning, Supervisors and Chair Kaps. I'm Steve Connor, and I'll be presenting the project on behalf of Planning Development staff. The project before you today is a request for a development plan to allow construction and operation of a pipe and supply business along with the requisite general plan amendment to the Orchid Community Plan and a rezone.
As shown on the map to the left, the proposed pipe and supply development will be located on two vacant parcels at 1350 Founders Avenue just south of Santa Maria Way Interchange on the eastern side of Highway 101. As shown on the aerial photo to the right, the site can be accessed from Founders Avenue off Morningside Drive which is a frontage road between the site and Highway 101 The neighboring parcels immediately east and north of the site are also vacant.
The site parcels form a U shape around an inset of parcels that contain an existing pet grooming business. The Elks Rodeo Event Center is located south and east of the site, and the Mark Richardson Career Technical Education Center and Agricultural Farm is located northeast of the site. Here are some photos that depict the vacant parcels. The photo on the left is looking north from the location of the proposed building. Photo on the right is looking toward the existing pet grooming business from the southern portion of the site.
And here are two more photos, looking from the southwest and northeast toward the existing pet grooming business and the existing technical school respectively. The project includes a rezone, general plan amendment and development plan. A rezone is needed because the proposed project includes an outdoor storage and sales use that is not allowed in the highway commercial zone district. Therefore, the applicant is requesting to rezone the two part project parcels from highway commercial to general commercial.
A general plan amendment is needed to change the land use designation to be consistent with his own district. The general plan amendment is also needed to adjust the urban-rural boundary to include the site within the urban boundary. This is because rural lands are generally limited to agriculture and related uses, whereas wholesale and heavy commercial uses in services such as the proposed project are allowed within the urban boundary.
A development plan is required in the C3's general commercial zone for new structures that total 5,000 square feet or more. Or for outdoor storage and sales areas which total 20,000 square feet or more. The land use designation and urban boundary changes will be reflected by amendments to the Comp 1 map in the Land Use Element as shown in the next slides. In addition, the General Plan Amendment will modify two Orchid Community Plan policies that are specific to Key Site 33 which encompasses the site and surrounding parcels.
The first policy is related to the urban-rural boundary, and the amendment clarifies that the boundary adjustments will apply to parcels that are served by existing public water and sewer utilities. The second policy will be amended to update information related to parcel numbers. As shown here, the urban boundary adjustment will redesignate the site and surrounding highway commercial properties as urban lands.
This designation allows the subject parcels to be used for the pipe of supply business and this is a complimentary use to the existing technical school because they're likely synergistic opportunities for students to gain practical experience with a large supplier of agricultural irrigation materials and technology. This area already contains urban services such as water and sewer infrastructure which were installed prior to the opening of the technical school in 2021.
As previously stated, the proposed outdoor storage is not allowed in the highway commercial zone therefore a rezone of this site to general commercial is required as shown here. This is a change from one commercial zoning type to another The proposed development plan will create a level site pad with retaining walls to accommodate the structure, parking site circulation outdoor storage area and underground stormwater detention basin.
There will be eight employees in the hours of operation will be from 630 AM to 5 PM. Approximately 26,000 square feet of landscaping will create a buffer to screen the structure, outdoor storage materials and park vehicles from public viewpoints along Morningside Drive and Highway 101. The site plan depicts the proposed development which includes the warehouse building shown in blue here, the outdoor storage area shown in orange dashed outline The parking lot shown in green, including an ingress and egress driveway for accessing the parking lot from Founders Avenue. And an egress-only driveway to allow supply trucks to exit from the storage area on a Morningside Drive.
The underground detention basin shown in purple here will be created under the outdoor storage area on the southern portion of the site. And finally, in consistency with the Orchid Community Plan requirement for visual screening and development on the site, the proposed landscaping will include a 50-foot buffer to be installed along Morningside Drive as shown in dark green.
In terms of identified environmental impacts, traffic was not a concern. And the project is not expected to generate a lot of trips because there will be only eight employees. As just described, visual impacts will be minimized by the buffer and landscaping depicted on the site plan. The project will not extend public utilities or roads because the area's already served by existing urban infrastructure.
The Work It Community Plan contemplated uses such as gas stations, motels and restaurants within the Keyside Area 33 area. So urban commercial uses are already allowed on and around the site. The project will include fire protection features such as implementation of a defensible space plan and the use of fire-resistant building materials. The project includes an erosion and sediment control plan to mitigate impacts on geologic processes.
And to address water resources in underground stormwater detention basin will be constructed to address site erosion and runoff. The environmental document was circulated for a 30 day public review period, and no comments were received. The project is consistent with policies regarding the availability of adequate services, aesthetics, visual resources and compatibility with the surrounding development. Air quality resources, noise and circulation.
The project is also consistent with height setback in parking regulations including development standards and requirements for the C3 zone district development plans and design review. Project design was reviewed by the North Board of Architectural Review, and the applicant will be required to return to MBAR for preliminary and final approval of the project.
So in summary, staff recommends that you make the required findings for approval included in attachment A. Determine if the mitigated negative declaration is adequate. Adopt the resolutions and approve the project subject to the conditions included as attachment B. This concludes staff's presentation. Staff and the applicant team are available to answer any questions. Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Supervisor Nelson? Yes, thank you Chair Kapsch and I think Mr. Connor let me start off by saying excellent presentation. I would really like to slide on the site plan and just layering that was really nicely done. I think I have the question answered in one of the slides though but the movement of the rural urban boundary your community plan initially didn't do that even though this was contemplated for commercial use when that was adopted is that correct?
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Supervisor Nelson, yes that's correct.
Okay but then there was a condition in there that once sewer and water was made available then that urban it was contemplated that the board would move the rural-urban boundary at whatever time that happens? Is that how that all
came about? That's correct we looked at the you know the urban services were available and It really didn't create a substantial change in land use there. The Orchid Community Plan did specify that the urban boundary should not be adjusted unless there was a major update to the community plan, so we did change some of the language there.
Okay, great. I'm glad that you did and you know it obviously was contemplated in environmental document and in the community when the plan was created. You know, I just think and I'm glad that you guys moved it for all the parcels now because I think that's really important because I think sometimes people hear moving the urban rural boundary line and they kind of get you know their hair goes up a little bit And I want to make sure that people understand this was something completed over 20 years ago to be done and there was conditions set that have now been made possible. This potentially could have been done when the high school was moved out there, but I guess because that went through probably the State Board of Architecture didn't go through our planning process that we didn't do it at that point.
This is kind of the first opportunity to get that done. And so I want to just commend staff for making sure that that is accomplished, so that we don't necessarily have that as a hang up on future projects. I also wanted us to thank staff, I think, on their work to get this through and to us. You know, I guess I'm going to make a little bit of comment besides a question if the board is OK with that.
You know I'm always kind of protective of those 101 properties. You know you only have one 101, it's one of our assets that we have when we talk about kind of land development and so changing this the zoning there from something like maybe a gas station or hotel um you know to something like what's being proposed here initially I was a little concerned. I wanted to make sure that Losing an opportunity, but I am definitely convinced that this is a good project. And this is a good business and I think 1 of the reasons why we want to use the 1 on 1 as an asset is because of the transportation corridor it's you know, it's also.
It's easier to access, but that's also one of the reasons why it makes it a really good site for this type of development and this type of project. Not just because we're getting that one-on-one traffic for maybe tourists, but also we're getting it now for businesses. And so this is going to be a regional facility, but you know these purchases are gonna be potentially made here in the unincorporated area of the Santa Maria Valley which is gonna mean tax dollars to us and moving things forward. So I'm really excited Happy to hear the applicants presentation and my other comments from my colleagues when that time comes. But I'm generally excited about where we're going with this project, and hope that we move it forward.
Supervisor Hartman. I guess I'm one of those people who moving their urban rural boundary does generate more questions. Could you and what I couldn't find it in in the staff reports, I wonder if you could elaborate a little more do you have a map and show we're going from one commercial zone to another easy that that we're doing that anyway because the highway commercial is kind of an outdated zone So that's no problem, but I would like you to elaborate more show a map if you have it and speak to what the implications are of moving that boundary. And does it? It seems to me that this business is particularly well suited to that area. I mean its landscape materials. Its irrigation stuff it fits And very convenient for the surrounding agriculture, but my question is does it then encourage other kinds of commercial development in this area?
So that's kind of what because now we're going to the other side of the 101 which is like a river. It's kind of a natural barrier to urban development so
Supervisor Hartman thanks I think you know we had to look at the commercial highway zone really Take a good look at it and like you said, it is a bit antiquated. It allows quite a bit of commercial uses hotels and gas stations and restaurants. And so I think it was an easy step for us to consider that commercial development was planned and thought of for this area. And then I think with the school going in and the services that were brought over to that side of the freeway We felt like this project met the burden of extending that line because it had again been planned for commercial activity to begin with.
Hopefully that answered the question.
So is it the pink on the map that is the extension? That is correct, and the blue line shows the boundary. It includes this yellow parcel and then goes further east. Does it go beyond this project or this projects parcel or is it just this project's parcel?
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Supervisor Hartman, it's just the CH zoned properties across the freeway not any of the non-CH zoned.
And all of them currently then have urban services is that correct water and sewer?
Supervisor Hartman, that's correct. And that is as was discussed earlier. That was really the intent of this change was to tie it to the existing services. No new services. These services are already there and
so just take me the next step. How would we protect the agricultural land surrounding this newly designated commercial?
Supervisor Hartman, the county's ag policies and really the intent of our codes and community plans and policies in this area will continue to protect agriculture. So that's not going to be impacted by extending the urban rural boundary here.
So what does the urban-rural boundary mean? I worked on an urban growth boundary in Buellton and something else in Goleta, but I don't really so would like you to elaborate.
So Supervisor Hartman through the Chair. The urban-rural boundary is the distinguishing line between urbanized uses and rural uses. And in some places we even have an inner rural area which we do in San Yanez. But in this case this line is that divider And so we do believe that we have policies there in place right now to protect those rural uses We felt that it was appropriate. Because this area was already zoned for commercial uses, we felt that it was appropriate to include them in that urban boundary more appropriate for to be
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And again I think the kinds of urban uses that are occurring there are really supportive of agriculture so it's not just any commercial use. So I don't know that we can actually demand that in the future but it's something that I appreciate right now. Supervisor Nelson?
Yes thank you Chair Kapsch and I just wanted to maybe respond to Supervisor Hartman. We could bring back up the boundary I just wanted to make sure And I don't know if we have a pointer at all. But just so you know that for this east parcel, that's the high school. So I think that's helpful because what it does, it creates top one. So see if we got it? Nope.
Clicking. Top. OK. I'm going to go back. Actually, this is a good one right here. Yeah, so there we go. It's not supposed to work from this angle. There you go. So that one is the high school. So it's bringing in two other additional parcels. That would kind of be a jigsaw if we didn't bring them in all at this point. So that makes sense, and that's why I was complimentary to staff to try to get it done at once.
Those other parcels, it's making more of a straight line there and not some jig-jag Jigsaw or it's kind of a now becomes an infill.
Supervisor Lee, I just had question for staff so this wouldn't set a president about policies about the world urban rural boundaries for example in my district there is some Some issues that this could cause if the President said
Thank you. Supervisor Lee through the through the chair each situation is case by case. So you have to look at the circumstances that are in that community. You have to look And in this case, it was contemplated in the original community plan that eventually this area would be included. So I think I while it is a decision that is made by the board to extend urban rural boundary line like I said, I think each case considered and as it comes to the board.
Okay other questions we go to public comment if there isn't any I'm sorry this is hearing yes next presentation.
Chair caps and members of the board now we will hear from the applicant glare mccone. And you'll have 10 minutes for your
presentation. Thank you is there a clicker. I had good morning but I think it's afternoon. Chair Kaps, Honorable Board of Supervisors my name is Gallery Macon and it is with great pleasure that I get to present the FamCon project to you today. We couldn't have made it without the incredible planning and development staff there was a lot of different ways we could have gone with this and we really I appreciate the guidance and support, everyone sitting right here.
Let's see. I also want to recognize our team of local professionals. I'm joined here today with Steve Penza, the CEO and president of FamCon Pipe & Supply. And he'll be presenting with me and we'll both be available for any questions. We had a lot of discussion. I don't want to repeat all the same things, but I do have all the same information again for you.
So the three components of the project this is the development plan shows the it's about four acres there existing facility in Santa Maria is about one acre so this They've outgrown that facility so this is going to allow them to just have more outdoor storage and have some breathing room. A lot of good landscaping buffer, site access plenty of parking limited employee counts and again they're served by Golden State Water and Laguna County Sanitation Here's the zoning so that second component is the rezone. You know we're not changing the color, the color coding will stay the same it'll just go from CH to C3 and there was at one point contemplating changing all the zoning to C 3 but that proved So we're going to update the urban boundary line so that in the future if they did want to change to see 3.
They could come in and do And the location of the existing sewer line and waterline that goes up Morningside or Founders Avenue. And you can see the limit of Keysight 33 on that map. It was about 200 acres, and it included the Elks Lodge and Event Center which you can see on this map. So there's the event center and rodeo grounds, the polished pet It's sort of in the middle of this horseshoe site and then the career tech center to the east of it.
And I'll have Steve's going to talk about the communication with the Career Tech Center and how that that synergy works. I think it's really a great partnership So here's just an overview. The limited traffic, it sort of screened out of even requiring a traffic study. It was that small of a traffic use. They're only open 630 to 5 Monday through Friday so there is not conflict with the rodeo grounds that happen mostly on the nights and weekends.
You know, this is a. This is a wonderful opportunity for this longstanding family run essential business in a perfect location and. In addition to my thoughts these were the thoughts of your planning commissioners from the hearing it was all very, very supportive In particular, I liked Commissioner Cooney's comment that it was about time I threw them a softball on this application.
And with that, I will pass it on to Steve.
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Thanks. Is it morning or afternoon still? Madam Chair and board members, my name is Steve Penza president and owner of Fam Con Pipe. Before I begin, I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone in the planning and public works departments for their hard work and their prompt attention to our project. I know their jobs aren't easy but they have been very professional and patient with everyone on our side of this.
I'd like to take a few minutes to highlight some of the points that are on the slides before you. Our company began in 1904 supplying irrigation material and manufacturing concrete pipe for the farmers in Ventura County. In the 1940's it was sold to the Creason family. In 1985 my wife and I who were just engaged pulled our money from our savings and purchased FamCon for $32,000. Our first year in business Our decision didn't look that good.
We had four employees and did a whopping $372,000 in sales. We sold waterworks material irrigation and industrial products to contractors and municipalities. In 1994 we added a dry utility company to accentuate our business Just as a side note, this past April we celebrated our 40th year in business and our Oxnard vocation now has 28 employees and averages $37 million a year in sales.
In 2015 and 2016 we began to develop relationships with many municipalities and contractors in the Santa Maria area. As you can see from the slide We now sell to all the municipalities in Central Coast. In 2017, we were urged by many of them as well as Vince Lopez Jr., Kirk Construction, Whitaker Construction, Brough Construction and R Baker to open a branch at Santa Maria.
In August of 2018, we were able to make a dream a reality. Thanks to Vince Lopez's generosity, we are able to lease one of his buildings on Carlotti and Donovan. We started with 4 employees and we now have 8 unfortunately or fortunately, we have outgrown this facility. We've been looking for a new home for the last 3 years we firmly believe founders Avenue is the perfect place We're in a company and have so many loyal employees between the 2 branches 5 employees have been with us over 30 years.
10 over 20 and 7 over 10. Fam con Santa Maria annual sales are now 23 million a year we pay over 1.4 million in sales tax our annual payroll is 875,000 annually. All of our employees in Santa Maria are from the local area. We support all of them and their families. We are one of the few companies in our industry that have a child care reimbursement program. We do our best to provide financial support to our employees, and their families schools sports team and charities whenever we can.
We try to figure out ways to not only be a good neighbor but also trying to see where we can assist other entities as well by our presence in the area. A perfect example of this is the TC Tech Center who will be our neighbor I call their main office about a year ago And to inquire about their internet and who was providing it because we were being asked all these questions during our due diligence.
During their discussion with their principal, I brought up the possibility of providing some other students the opportunity to attend some presentations in technical classes that we put on for our municipality customers. There also might be field trip opportunities sponsored by a few of our manufacturer as well as potential internships Also, our logistics manager got a hold of their bus schedule and he reviewed it. And there's definitely ways to work around their transportation needs.
It won't be an issue. While we may be the largest locally owned independent waterworks supply house in the Central Coast and Ventura County Tri-Region, our culture has never changed since the early days. Our motto is always to think and act like you are just little old FamCon pipe Board members, if there ever was a true definition of an American success story it would be Fam Con Pipe. We are hopeful that you will help us have a permanent home here.
Thank you for your time.
Okay, questions from the board. Supervisor Hartman?
You have me on the child care reimbursement but could you also talk about your certification classes just elaborate a little
bit. During the summer we have manufacturers come in and we provide chairs We have a lot of visual audio presentations for all our municipality customers that want to attend. And they like say, for instance, how does the fire hydrant work? They come out and demonstrate it or other specialty products like tapping sleeves repair things for water lines that bring out demonstrations and they provide food and beverages afterwards and they have question and answers and they get certification credits
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So the manufacturers of the equipment
present
and you provide a forum and you make the bridge?
Right, exactly. And by the way you have a really good manufacturer in Paso Robles there in Wilkins they're very big participant in this.
Supervisor Lee
Just a comment, I'm very impressed about your story. Thank you. I just can't say enough great things about it so my question is when are you coming to my district? We'd love to have you
in the
car
park. You know I'm pretty sure my sales manager would really like that. I don't think I can handle the stress but we appreciate the invitation. Thank you
Okay, other questions? Now we can see if there's any public comment on this. Chair Kapsa,
members of the board, we have no requests to speak from the public on this item.
Okay now we go to Board Deliberations if there is any. Supervisor Nelson.
Yeah well you know I kind of let the cat out of the bag. I'm very supportive of this project. You know I'm excited about it. This is one of those highlights for me as a supervisor is to be able to help facilitate economic development in my community. To see a project like A homegrown family-owned business that's, you know, kind of a triple whammy. You know it's jobs, it's tax revenue and its community all coming together.
Really important project here and I really again want to thank the project team both the county planners and the private planners on this. I want to thank my planning commissioner Roy Reed Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the board. Thank you to the planning commission for helping shepherding this through the Planning Commission as well as the other planning commissioners who thought this project was a slam dunk or softball as Commissioner Cooney referred it to. It is for me as well. It's something I'm proud to support, and I ask for my colleagues
Okay, any other deliberations from the board? Supervisor Hartman.
Well it is an exciting project and I'll be voting with Supervisor Nelson. It's a family-owned business. I mean it's not a chain from outside coming in sucking resources out of this community and sending them elsewhere so it's Central Coast based. It's hiring local people, it's recirculating money on the Central Coast and it's a workforce development program besides I'm very supportive.
All right, Supervisor Levenham.
And I'd like to make an offer. I will pay double what you paid for it in 1978. If you want to make a deal see me after the meeting.
Okay, I think it feels like we're ready for a motion.
All right can staff put the recommended actions up there so I can make sure I get it right?
It's A through
E. So I'll make a staff recommendation to act as A through E I think we should probably go into closed session first if that's okay with you all.
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And then take the last two after lunch and closed session. So County Council please let us know what we're in for.
Thank you Madam Chair, members of the board. In closed session today the Board will consider an item of existing litigation, Sable Offshore Corp versus the county which is in the U.S. District Central District California One item of existing litigation with the Board of Supervisors sitting as the board and as well as the Board of Directors for the County Flood Control and Water Conservation District. That case is Whiting versus the county, and it's a Santa Barbara Superior Court case.
There's anticipated litigation deciding whether to initiate civil litigation in two cases and public employee performance evaluation for the county executive officer. And the time estimate is 2 hours.
Okay? Okay, we are back from closed session. County Council please give us a report.
Thank you Madam Chair and members of the board. The board met in closed session on existing litigation, Sable versus the county as well as Whiting versus the county. One case of anticipated litigation and public employee performance evaluation for the county executive officer and took no reportable action On one item of anticipated litigation, the board considered the item and authorized County Council to file an amicus brief.
The details of which will be disclosed once the action is formally commenced to any person upon inquiry. The supervisors voted 4-1 in favor of filing the amicus brief with Supervisor Nelson voting no.
Okay thank you we will move to departmental item number three please Madam Clerk
Thank you. Chair caps members of the board department item number 3 is from the planning and development Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding an open space element update
Okay, Director Plowman. Good afternoon Madam Chair members of the board. As Miss Alexander indicated today is the item to discuss the scope of the open space element that we are intending to begin work on is mandated through AB 1425 that was approved by the legislature in 2022 And we wanted to make sure that the board gave us input early on in the process so we could move forward in alignment with the board's wishes.
Today, we have Julie Harris, the project planner, David Lackey, supervising planner and Alex Tuttle, deputy director. I'm going to turn it over to Ms. Harris for the presentation.
Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Caps and members of the board. I'm Julie Harris and I'm a senior planner with the Long Range Planning Division giving the presentation today. The current long-range planning division work program includes an update of the open space element pursuant to Senate Bill or SB 1425. The Planning and Development Department is seeking board direction today regarding the scope of work for this update, and staff has prepared three options for your consideration.
A little bit of context for A little bit of context for this project is Senate Bill 1425. It requires an update of an open space element that at a minimum addresses three requirements, and these are first access to open space for all residents in a manner that considers social economic and racial equality equity, climate resilience and other co-benefits of open space, and third rewilding opportunities.
In addition, Senate Bill 1425 provides several examples regarding what rewilding opportunities might be including an integrated network of open spaces to support beneficial uses. The first of the three options for the board's consideration, what we're calling simply the low option is a foundational update that brings the open space element into compliance with SB 1425 and it addresses those three key requirements that I mentioned on the previous slide.
The low option would coordinate and align the open space element update with recent and ongoing county policy planning efforts, including the new environmental justice element which begins adoption hearings tomorrow before the County Planning Commission as well as the ongoing recreation master plan climate adaptation plan and safety element update. Relevant to the low option effort, the current open space element was adopted in 1979 and it has not been substantially updated since then.
Therefore the low option would include a general rewrite and modernization of the document including updated descriptions of open space categories as required by the California Government Code. These include a couple of open space categories that are not currently in our element and those are for tribal resources and open space in support of military installations In addition, we would include an open space inventory and maps of existing open spaces.
Other new or updated maps as relevant and feasible, and an appealing new redesign in format. The low option is the scope of work that you considered and incorporated into the Long Range Planning Division's Work Program for this fiscal year. The moderate option would build upon the low option It would identify opportunities to enhance rewilding of existing open spaces on public lands and lands managed for conservation.
It would do so by identifying connections between existing fragmented open spaces, on public lands and other conserved lands that are run by non-profit organizations or similar entities. And by identifying priorities for future study and planning efforts. This option could also explore rewilding opportunities focused on wildlife connectivity, such as a second phase of the recent Highway 101 Gaviota Pass Wildlife Connectivity Study that studied locations of barriers and opportunities for removing those barriers for wildlife passage.
The high option includes all of the components of the low and moderate options, and it also incorporates an update of the conservation element pursuant to Assembly Bill 1889 which is another recent state law. The high option would include additional studies and mapping for rewilding opportunities and wildlife connectivity, allowing the county to fully comply with Assembly Bill 1889 prior to state mandated deadlines which begin in 2028.
AB 1889, which was enacted about a year ago, mandates an update of the conservation element and includes several requirements that appear to align with the rewilding component of SB 1425. These include analyzing wildlife connectivity areas, considering the impacts of development barriers to wildlife and habitat connectivity, and avoiding, minimizing or mitigating impacts and barriers to wildlife movement.
It is because of these aligning objectives regarding rewilding of SB 1425 and wildlife connectivity in AB 1889 that staff is presenting an update of both the open space and conservation elements as an option that your board may wish to consider. Finally, under this option the county may consider combining both elements into one document which has actually been done by quite a number of other counties around the state.
Regarding staffing needs and consultant costs for each option, the low option would address 1425 compliance and modernize the county's open space element. And the staffing aligns with the approved long-range planning work program, and there are no consultant costs. The moderate option would expand the update, as we mentioned to include an examination of potential wildlife corridors and open space connectivity on public and other conserved lands. And study options to identify barriers for removal along Highway 101.
This option would slightly increase staffing requirements by about a third of an FTE and it would add some consulting costs. Regarding the high option, it presents an opportunity to update the conservation element before mandated deadlines and aligns the overlapping content of the open space in conservation elements. However, the high option would require significant reallocation of staffing resources and significant funding for consultant services due to much larger scope of that option.
The low and moderate options would both likely be brought to decision makers by about the end of 2026. The high option would probably take at least an additional 12 to 18 months beyond that before reaching decision makers. At this time, planning and development recommends pursuing either the low or moderate options and considering work on the conservation element in future fiscal years.
And that brings us to the end of the presentation. Staff recommends that you receive and file the planning and development report, provide direction regarding the scope of the update, and determine that the board's actions today are not a project and not subject to environmental review. Thank you for your time.
Madam Chair? Yes, Director Plaman. I just wanted to add a few things before we hear public comment but we sort of envision option two I mean if we're looking at all three of them, if the board were to go with option two, we sort of look at that as phase one of a process to update both the open space element and the conservation element. The second phase would be updating the conservation element and that time we would consider combining them But so it doesn't preclude us as either going with the low option or the moderate option does not preclude us from combining those 2 elements together. I do think ultimately that makes sense because there is a lot of overlap but as miss Harris indicated at this time we are recommended to the board that we either stick with the original concept which was the lower option that meets the state mandate The second option would be to bring in some money from the general fund currently or this intermediate phase one option we can bring some money to bear on to it which would not cost additional funds for that.
We would have
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Thank you for clarifying that.
Supervisor Hartman? So I just want to reiterate so the intermediate option we can fund that with your existing funds.
Supervisor Hartman through the chair, we have funds for the consultants. We would need to take some employee time FTE time to supplement it and we would take that from one of our ordinance packages or short-term rentals. That's what we could offer the board
And so if we think about it in a phased way, then phase one would be looking. It seems primarily the third criterion, the rewilding is the one that distinguishes between public lands and conservation lands say for phase 1 maybe I'm thinking of the The Sustainable Agricultural Lands Conservancy grant that the LAFCO is applying for, where they're doing a lot of mapping and a lot of updating the conservation blueprint. So but they're looking primarily at lands around the cities And then the mapping I think would be countywide. So, I think in addition to the 101 Wildlife Corridor research that Caltrans has funded consultants to do and they've decided one option but they've got a lot of data and a lot of other options that they're considering and you describe in the report collaborating with that but I think what LAFCO is doing is also important to collaborate with, and I would love to get direction at some point that you do that.
But it seems that the rewilding is where phase one, you're looking at public lands. I assume that is county and city and other public agencies but that's a question. And then conservation lands And phase 2 might be broader for the including the wildlife quarter and salt and other activities. It does that make sense my understanding kind of the sequence and how they might fit.
Supervisor Hartman through the chair, I think that's correct. I think it is a board decision how broadly you want to expand the identification of wildlife corridors whether it remains in public land and land held in easements with landowners that are interested in participating in the process or go beyond
Yeah, I think there's real advantages. I'll just put this out here now to a broader collaboration because I think that a lot of work is being done that could feed into our element and that is technical work and I also think it's very important the public outreach in education and I think they're I know on the conservation blueprint, agricultural interests were very much involved. And I imagine that will be the case with the salt grant if that in fact is awarded.
So I think that it would really benefit our ultimate product and be more efficient and less costly if we did have that kind of coordination.
Yeah, Supervisor Hermann through the chair. We are happy to work with other organizations that are doing this kind of work already I mean there's no need for us to duplicate that work but yeah we would definitely be happy to do that.
Supervisor Nelson?
Yes thank you Chair Kapsch. I think I need to take a step back for a second make sure I understand what does an element do So I guess this is a chapter in our general plan.
It's an element or general plan. There's a there's a state mandate that we have certain elements of the general plan and so it identifies policies We have a number of goals and objectives. Goals policies, objectives that are the counties for preserving open The county's goals are with respect to open space. It could mean that there are some long-term So there are a variety of things that could come out of it.
But the idea is to ensure that there is the protection of open space, that there's equal access to open space, that the open space element works in collaboration with our climate adaptation plan so that we're ready for climate change things
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So we've had a pretty adequate and equated open space element, right? 1979, 46 years. And yet we've been able to protect open space in Santa Barbara County pretty well to this point I mean we're kind of known for that.
So I think this community has been quite successful at doing that and in fact the Open Space Element doesn't really have any policies in it today.
Right And I think that's, I agree with you. And that's kind of what I wanted to kind of point out here and what I'm concerned about with moving forward with whatever we do in the direction that we can maybe give you on the front end is I think that we already value open space in Santa Barbara County and what I'm concerned about when we make changes to the general plan with these elements is creating policies goals objectives that might have unintended consequences That we start to make things too prescriptive and we don't have the flexibility because we don't think about what may happen in the future.
And I think with a lot of these policy documents that we try to put together, we're trying to project something that may or may not happen. And then we obviously start to tie the hands of future boards and future communities and sure you can always change those the element in the future but we know how complex that is right and how hard that is. And that's one of the reasons why it doesn't happen very often. I mean, I don't think I've been here for 13 years and I don' done it without having the state forcing us to change something. So we don't go change things even though we want to all the time, we see stuff and go that's really unfortunate that's in there. And so I guess my feedback initially is you know understanding that we already have a value around open space in this county At whatever direction we go to having more mays than shalls in our policy, which means you know here are some ideas guidelines concepts.
So I want to make sure we have flexibility. You know I you know ultimately when these decisions get made up here at the board. You know we you know, we speak for the representatives that are the people that we represent as a collective and so far that's you know the people have sent a message to us that these things that they value and so that's why you have had Board after Board continue to protect open space despite not having any really strong open space. You know policies but I find these things to end up being kind of more restrictive in Overly prescriptive and complex elements.
And that's why, actually, one of my comments that I had written in my notes was I didn't really like that it was called low, medium and high. I kind of wanted a required state extra and complex because I think when you say low, it almost seems like we don't value it. We do value it. Obviously, we value it, and so I wouldn't want the headline to say if we go down the low route that we were just doing the low because I think that has bad messaging.
I think it says that we did what was required by state law because that was a mandate And so that's just kind of my feedback initially with this. I'm interested in hearing more. I want our planning documents to have flexibility and, you know, room for us to contemplate future changes that might be something that might be innovative that, you know, Our open space element coming into conflict with our desire to have utility scale solar, right? And so we have these different policies out there that all of a sudden they're in conflict. And then we're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars looking at each other how do we resolve that? I think those lot of those things do get resolved when they go through the process and eventually get up to decision makers like our planning commission or eventually to our board.
So again my feedback on this is Whatever it comes out of this, I would rather it to be simpler because I think simpler leads to more flexibility and something that we can in the future be able to adjust according to changing circumstances and changing values. Because sometimes housing becomes a priority Right. And, you know, we've got all these issues about housing where I think that's been one of the reasons why we've had the lack of housing in our county for a long time is because we maybe have overvalued open space and sometimes in some ways.
Cut these things in conflict with each other and that can become problematic. And so those are my concerns as we start to move towards this, and I would really hope that we minimize the amount of expenses that we spend on this. You know, we're only bringing this forward really because the state's making us do this. And so you know it is our choice if we want to go ahead and go down the route to spend a lot more money and make it a lot more complex.
And I would rather not do that at this time.
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Supervisor Lee.
So, Supervisor Nielsen I do agree with what you said but I disagree with what you said about flexibility where I see as a hard line needs to be drawn especially with open space especially in my district so what I would want to say is that we invest more into making sure that open space remains such and that we preserve and maintain that quality of life that's so important to all of us so I do support Do as much as we can to update our element, open space.
It is a high priority for us and in my district.
Supervisor Harmon do you have another question?
I do. I got intrigued. I was thinking of the difference being mainly rewilding but as you think about goals and goals perhaps related to climate change and adaptation would this be a place where open space We would identify where it has multiple benefits, such as groundwater recharge.
Supervisor Hartman through the chair. This would be one of those instances where there'd be, you know, in coordination and collaboration with other planning documents so our climate adaptation plan or safety element update that are addressing our
stormwater recharge study that it's sort of sitting there without a way to actually Um, consider it when we make decisions.
So there's a lot of code benefits that can be resulted that can result with open space and so what you mentioned is the perfect example. And so I think you'll see issues like that come up both in open space element as well as The ultimate climate adaptation plan that we'll be bringing forward and other planning documents as well. So the state guidance does dictate sort of coordination and working in concert with these other planning documents to address these sort of co-benefit goals.
And I think as we consider priorities where we get multiple benefits is a good thing to understand And I just wanted to echo, I think what Supervisor Lee is saying. This offers us an opportunity to be clear about our values. I think about the wildlife corridor that we've been working on with Caltrans on the 101 and because it wasn't planned initially to accommodate that you got to go back and retrofit And the benefits to having connectivity for wildlife is tremendous. And if you have to retrofit, it's tremendously expensive. So if you can get ahead of it and identify the areas that are really do provide multiple benefits and try to have strategies to protect those I think you're ahead of the game and you're saving a lot over the long run.
Our county, we're extraordinary in that we're right where the Southern California Bight on the ocean meets Northern California waters and mix. We've got the transverse mountain range so we're a very unusual area And I think we have a special duty and I think many of the people are residents. Consider us sort of trustees to carry out that that mission of protecting other species and habitats and some habitats. So You know, what are the top priorities and how do we integrate as best we can into this process? So I'm very glad that you brought forward the medium option that we can see connected to the long-term, the phase one and phase two.
And I'm eager to hear public comment but right now that's kind of where I'm leaning
Yeah I just well we can go to public comment because my questions have been addressed already so let's go to public comment.
Chair Kaps and members of the board, we have 12 requests to speak from the public on this item and we are first going to begin here in Santa Maria with Claire Wineman then we will go to Zoom with Eric Cardenas. Claire?
Hi, good afternoon. My name is Claire Wyman and I'm the president of the Grower Shipper Association of Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties. We appreciate the opportunity to comment on the proposed scope of the open space element update. We support a modified option one that will fulfill the state legislative mandate. Fundamentally, we believe that the elements should provide overarching vision and that specific implementation is better addressed and better stands over time through implementing mechanisms such as budget allocations work plans projects in ordinances.
The county has long showed its dedication to open space, and the update compels an investment of time and resources of the county and stakeholders. We further encourage the county to include in its legislative platform efforts to communicate to the state concerns about mandating the scope and method of compliance for these elements or allowing counties that are already addressing the goals additional options for compliance.
We do ask that the update include close coordination with the agricultural community as it moves forward with a modified option one to fulfill the state mandate without creating additional county level regulatory requirements for open and working lands in the county. Thank you.
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We will now go to Zoom with Eric Cardenas, to be followed by Sharon Main.
Thank you Chair Caps and members of the board for this opportunity to speak on behalf of Santa Barbara Botanic Garden. My name is Eric Cardenas, I'm the Director of Impact and Advocacy here at the garden. And as some of you may know our mission is to conserve native plants and habitat for the health and wellbeing of people in the planet. We do this in part by growing the native plant movement working wherever we can to regenerate ecosystem health and leaving a legacy for future generations to enjoy.
This open space element update process before you allows us to take a small step forward in helping the garden and the broader community achieve our conservation goals. This process guides where and how our treasured open spaces are to be utilized for a number of purposes, and we believe that a comprehensive approach to this update will be beneficial for native plants specifically and biodiversity on the whole countywide.
As I articulated in the gardens submitted comments to the board, we are super appreciative of your staff's efforts to bring this item before you in order to comply with state law but also to update a nearly 50 year old land use planning document. Conditions have changed and what an opportunity. What an opportunity to ensure that this update process works in concert with other upcoming updates to your comprehensive plan namely the conservation element which is due for an update within the next couple of years as you heard.
Not only are there significant overlaps between the open space element and the conservation element that merit considering a combined effort, updating both elements at the same time would allow you for more economically viable and efficient process. So The Garden encourages you to adopt option three, the so-called high option, the most comprehensive holistic option being presented to you today. It is we believe the option that takes the best systems approach and avoids piecemealing and separation.
In terms of biodiversity, our key interest, numerous scientific studies have found that environments with less than 30% native plant cover see a reduction in overall biodiversity. Less insects, butterflies and bees and thus less birds and larger organisms. This impacts the food chain and the health of the entire ecosystem and with the loss of pollinators even our own agricultural and food systems.
This update to the open space element provides a key opportunity to include enforceable policy language that is protective of open space, ecosystems and habitats broadly. But in relation to native plants we see it as an opportunity to include specific enforceable policy language that requires a minimum of 30% native plant coverage for rewilding, restoration, redevelopment and similar efforts in and around our county's open spaces.
30% natives is the number you'll begin seeing more and more from the garden as we continue to increase our involvement in policy discussions like this one. Again, a comprehensive approach is the best way to address core open space ecosystem and biodiversity needs countywide, and the Santa Barbara Botanic Garden recommends the adoption of option three. Thank you for your time.
We will now go to Sharon Maine to be followed by Laurel Perez. Sharon? Sharon we have, oh there you go.
Thank you good afternoon my name is Sharon Main I'm a member of the Biodiversity Working Group which is about a 50-member coalition and I'm also on the team a team member of the Wildfire Resilience Collaborative. We support staff recommendation option three the high option because it provides a comprehensive multiple element approach to this general plan update process Which supports biodiversity, resource protection, recreation and overall quality of life. And I really do appreciate Ms Plowman's view as a potential for a phase one and phase two to accomplish this It's important to not take an open space element or any element for that matter as really a stand-alone component. The open space element and the conservation element are very much related but also distinct.
The conservation element really addresses more protection of resources like air, water, wildlife, ag, and cultural resources while the open space element really addresses How the land is used and managed for public health and safety and resource management, climate mitigation and recreation. Both elements have new requirements as was mentioned early in the presentation one looking at rewilding and one looking at wildlife connectivity which most certainly go hand in hand and why that's exactly why these two elements really need to happen in tandem to be meaningful with clear actions and enforceable policies Option three has a framework for a phased approach for this really comprehensive multiple element process.
You know, by starting by using the available resources in the current fiscal year to begin with the open space element update process as outlined in option two while also laying the groundwork for more comprehensive multiple element update for the conservation element and open space element laid out together in option three. This allows you to spend, to spread the costs over two to three years and ensure that there's a robust process for both of these general plan updates.
So to provide clear direction to staff today to proceed I would recommend we proceed with a phase comprehensive approach that would be to direct staff to begin with Phase 2 as the, for the open space element now and then use this groundwork for integrating the open space element and conservation element in 2028 or sooner And certainly to make this a priority for planning and development's work plan over the next two fiscal years so that there is funding available for this more comprehensive approach. Certainly directing staff to seek outside grant funding, to augment P&D resources if needed.
I think forming an advisory committee would really get to making sure we have all of the right people at the table, the conservation groups, biodiversity groups, the agricultural community. So that would be a great way to move this forward And then finally, as Ms. Hartman mentioned earlier, I would recommend that PD staff engage with other concurrent planning efforts and really seek and leverage those opportunities.
The LAFCO is awaiting a $500,000 Salk planning grant which has many overlapping goals and could also support the open space element and conservation element updates. If that grant is awarded it provides resources for mapping and analysis robust community engagement and policy coordination with cities in the county so be a great way for P&D staff to have a lens and really glean what they need for these general plan updates. So thank you again. Thank You Sharon.
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We will now go to Laurel Perez to be followed by Paul Merritt. Laurel?
Good afternoon Chair Kaps, Supervisors. I'm Laurel Perez the Land Trust Board of Trustees President voicing my support for the most comprehensive approach to updating the county's open space element which would involve aligning the other related planning documents some of which are presently underway including the Recreation Master Plan, the Climate Adaption Plan, Adaptation Plan excuse me and the Environmental Justice Plan with the Open Space Element We believe this would result in an open space element that unifies the open space needs of multiple planning efforts, creating specific policies and programs that integrate the goals of these various planning efforts. It simply just makes good planning sense.
And as a land use planning consultant in my day job having consistent and clear policy language Between policy planning documents is extremely important, providing clarity in the process and simplifying planning efforts. You know speaking directly to Supervisor Nelson's comment you know having that consistency is critical to land use planning. However, you know that said we do recognize the challenges the county faces with budgeting and staffing for this higher level planning effort.
But I also want to say that we're here to offer our support to staff our resources are experienced working to conserve public open space. Natural resources and agricultural land in the county for the past 40 years, we think that our experiences and our resources could aid the county in achieving the high option effort identified in your staff memo. So at a minimum, we ask that you direct staff to move forward with Option 2 And identify the high option as a long term goal if it cannot be accommodated in this immediate effort.
I thought that Sharon Maine's suggestion for an advisory committee is a really great idea, we'd love to participate in that and we look forward to working with the county toward this end. Thank you very much.
We will now go to Paul Merritt to be followed by Meredith Hendricks. And Paul, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please unmute on your end to provide your comments. I see you are using a touchtone phone so you may need to press star 6 to unmute yourself. Again, we have unmuted you on our end. If you can please press star six, we cannot hear you yet.
Paul, we might return to you momentarily. I think there's some complications technical complications. So we'll return to you momentarily. We'll go to Meredith Hendricks to be followed by Mark Shatillo.
Good afternoon Chair Kaps and members of the board. My name is Meredith Hendricks. I'm the executive director at the Land Trust for Santa Barbara County. You just heard from our fantastic board chair Laurel Perez So in addition to her comments, what I would add is a little bit of color to say that the Land Trust has been able to achieve incredible open space preservation in the last 40 years of our existence. All of which have been within the current Open Space Elements timeframe and we've protected more than 58,000 acres of land for reasons of high quality natural resources including habitat but also agricultural lands and open spaces for the purpose of cultural protection recreation and access And we're really looking forward to this opportunity to set a high level vision for the county.
I've heard a lot of talk of what's required and must do and can't do, but it's also an opportunity to be very inspired and re-agree to the value system of open space in the role it plays in our county. It certainly plays a role in everyone's life who lives here, and it plays a role in our local economies. And I think we should remember that as well. And so we're really seeking an update to the open space element combined with the conservation element that is unifying, is clear works in concert with the other chapters and policies that have been put in place. So that it's not confusing to users to understand how the recreation master plan, the agricultural enterprise ordinance talks through the open space element and eventual conservation element update.
We would really like to be able to set a high bar In our county for open space that's understandable and exciting, and something that people can follow and implement. And while we haven't created an exhaustive list of themes or items, we think it really comes down to protection. Protect the high value open space lands including the ecological agricultural scenic resources. It also includes having clear criteria and updated mapping and we can help with those things. We'd like to see an expanded regional trail network and trail connectivity with equitable public access throughout our county, and coordinated with other entities that run and manage public parks and lands with a public access. We'd really like to see an insurance around long-term stewardship of conserved lands.
It's one thing to step out and say you want to protect a whole bunch of land. It is another thing entirely then to have the resources to take care of it adequately and meet people's expectations around And so thinking about the role that funding and management for open space stewardship also comes into this. And then being able to grow our public park system belongs in the open space element because we do have a desire to see our open spaces expanded and as communities grow, as we increase housing As we drive economic vitality of our communities, we need to add parks to that mix as well. So the land trust is here. We're eager to partner with the county and work throughout the process of the update of the open space element. We do hope it will be a robust effort.
Option two fine. Option three would be preferred. I agree with Supervisor Nelson it shouldn't be called high But really thinking about setting a vision for what will serve all of our communities the best. And the Land Trust is very eager to be a helpful partner to the county on this, thank you.
We will now go to Mark Shatillo to be followed by Noah Boland. Mark?
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Good afternoon members of the board I'm Mark Shatillo speaking today on behalf of the Committees for Land Air Water and Species The board should remember that the general plan sits atop the county's land use planning hierarchy. It is the constitution for all development, and the inadequate open space element and conservation element and the Open Space Management Program have hampered the county's ability to identify and protect valuable lands That have significant natural resources or other values that should be protected under state law by the open space element.
Absent in the county's general plan is a mandatory Open Space Action Program, which is supposed to be a comprehensive program for the county to identify its priorities and how it does actually ensure that open space lands are given their maximum protection. There is certainly a need for a general and complete comprehensive updating of the open space element and the conservation element, which suffers from many of the same flaws. A lack of discernible goals, objectives or policies. And so both of them do need to be updated and the county needs to adopt and integrate an open space action program As required by the statute to date, it's really been open space protection in the breach largely led by your community partners on an ad hoc basis and not as a in a planning function.
And I'd also note that we've omitted really any substantive and organized integration of tribal interests. We are on lands that are the homelands of the Chumash people who are here among us, and need to be both recognized socially but also due to their connection to the land have their values integrated into our county's general plan. The absence of goals policies and standards have made not only compromised our open space protection programs, but they've really as Ms. Perez-Fisher mentioned made it more challenging for the development community because of the lack of predictable standards. So we need to put our mouth where our head is and make that intent a clearly stated indication of what our standards policies and goals will be I would note that this also gives the county legal authority to more effectively protect these important resources and provides tools for identifying funding sources and justification for additional funding.
The timing is really the most critical question before you, it is urgent that we act quickly. The open space element should be updated by the statutory deadline of early 2026 taking it in two phases Seems to make sense so long as that a company, the direction companies. Uh, is accompanied by clear direction of the motivation of the priority to complete the conservation element in a timely fashion that needs to be completed in 2027 to meet the 2028 deadline. Those years are coming upon us so my personal preference would be to go with the medium option with the direction to also sustain efforts to update the conservation element as soon as possible. Thank you Madam Chair.
We will now go to Noah Boland, to be followed by Bryant Baker. Noah?
Hi there, Chair Capps and Board of Supervisors. My name is Noah Boland and I am a policy analyst at Heal the Ocean. I'm commenting to urge you to direct staff to prepare the broadest and most comprehensive update of the county's open space element to meet the January 2026 adoption deadline and concurrently to direct staff to undertake a thorough revision of the conservation element in regards to the scope of work for the update we're asking you to pursue the medium or high options We understand the budget constraints that the county is working with, but we feel that the medium or high options will ultimately provide future cost efficiencies in addition to supporting more robust environmental analyses and opportunities for rewilding, climate resilience and equitable access to open space.
At Heal The Ocean, we are exploring opportunities within the county for restoration projects that could provide benefits for rewilding, climate resilience, equitable access and coastal resilience. The tasks listed in the higher options, such as working with land managers prioritizing lands for rewilding and open space designations and making recommendations for future study and planning efforts would all be really helpful to heal the ocean as we explore opportunities to restore natural ecosystems.
Updating the open space element so that there is identification, prioritization and planning for the rewilding of county spaces is a crucial step in combating Santa Barbara County's accelerating climate change impacts, species decline, water scarcity and public demand for accessible natural lands. Heal the Ocean is happy to help inform this work especially as it relates to the valuable lands on our coast and within our watersheds.
Revision of the conservation element is also necessary, but we understand the constraints of the January deadline. We encourage you to direct staff to prioritize revision of the conservation element to comply with AB 1889. This will not only modernize the element and ensure the county is not missing crucial opportunities, but will also provide necessary consistency with the updated open space element.
Thank you.
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We will now go to Bryant Baker to be followed by Candace Menneken. Bryant?
Good afternoon Chair Capps and members of the board. My name is Bryant Baker, the Director of Conservation Research at Los Padres Forest Watch. Through our Room to Roam program we work to reduce human-wildlife conflict prevent habitat fragmentation and protect critical corridors that connect Los Padres National Forest to other wildlands and open spaces across the region.
We greatly appreciate staff's consideration of AB 1889 as the county works to adopt an approach to updating the open space element. We strongly recommend that the county adopt option 3, the high option. We think option 3 makes the most sense because it looks at the big picture Instead of just making small changes to the open space element now and then having to circle back later, option three updates the open space and conservation elements together so they can actually work hand in hand. It means the county won't just be checking a box to meet state requirements but will be putting real enforceable policies in place that can actually protect open space and guide decisions about where growth happens in a manner that protects our local wildlife and improves public safety.
Option three gets us moving now. Waiting until after 2028 is a missed opportunity, it's more efficient in the long run to do things once comprehensively rather than piecemeal. It also allows for the kind of mapping and public input we need to understand where the most important wildlife corridors and open spaces are. Forest Watch our organization, we stand ready to support these efforts by contributing our citizen science data and by helping to engage the community If full funding for option three isn't possible right away, we ask that the board at least commit to a multi-element update in the near future and to make this a high priority in the county's work plan. This is a really important opportunity for the county to be a regional leader in protecting our local wildlife and natural heritage.
We know these things are all going to be required soon so we should get the ball rolling and act now. Thank you
We will now go to Candace Mennegan and then we will return with Paul Merritt. Candace?
Good afternoon, Chair Kaps and Supervisors my name is Candace Mennegan I'm the Executive Director of Coastal Ranches Conservancy an environmental non-profit dedicated to protecting and conserving education along the Gaviota coast Central to our work is protecting the natural and undeveloped character of the Gaviota Coast, and how that affords both a biodiversity stronghold and a biodiversity hotspot in the county. Last year, Coastal Ranchers Conservancy championed two bills in Sacramento pertaining to wildlife connectivity, and earlier this year I testified in support of AB 902 Connected Communities by Assemblymember Schultz.
Our work is not only about protecting open space, but habitat connectivity and wildlife corridors to promote functional patterns and ecological processes on the landscape that support resiliency. A connected and unfragmented ecosystem is resilient in times of climate change and profound biodiversity collapse. Before you today's an opportunity for the county's comprehensive plan to jumpstart its requirements under Room-to-Roam AB 1889 Barbara County Board of Supervisors meeting which is the most comprehensive approach to open space protection and conservation of natural resources. It is imperative that future development of cities and counties does not undermine ecological functionality for ecosystems and working lands. We need to mainstream biodiversity with enforceable policies to guide sustainable development.
In Chapter 4 of the required elements of a general plan prepared by the Governor's Office on Land Use and Climate Innovation, California's legislative policy strongly favors the preservation of open space. Together with the conservation element, an open space element identifies areas that provide value in an essentially undeveloped condition and creates a plan to preserve such areas. The open space element reinforces the conservation element. And therefore you can see how closely these two actually interplay. Because open space issues are broad in nature and overlap those of several elements, consistency among elements must be considered carefully. This is an opportunity to be careful and integrate the two because they are interrelated.
Furthermore, the governor's guidance on the open space completeness checklist states that open space for the preservation of natural resources including but not limited to areas required for the preservation of plant and animal life includes habitat for fish and wildlife species. So under this definition I'd argue that the medium approach is already a required standard and furthermore while this is already required the county also has the discretion to address additional issues Due to the overlap of the habitat for fish and wildlife species language that is in the guidance documents, that is required in the open space for natural resources. Santa Barbara County can choose to avoid duplicative work now by addressing the need and ensuring the proper consistency now.
Thank you Candace. That is your time. We will now return to Paul Merritt who is our final speaker on this item. And Paul, if you are using a touch tone phone, you may need to press star six to unmute yourself on your end. Fortunately we can't hear you. I see that you are unmuted but I can't hear you. So you're on, you are unmuted at this time but we can hear you in the hearing room.
Perhaps if you're using some headsets that might be disabling your volume. All righty, my apologies Paul. I think we're having some technical difficulties so that concludes public comment on this item.
Thank you to the members of the public. Okay, Supervisor Nielsen?
I just had a question for staff on how this works with when you guys do an element like this. We heard from the Ag Advisory Committee, how do you take those comments from the Ag Advisory Committee and incorporate that into what's presented to on a policy like this? And would our direction on that be helpful to you?
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So I'll start and Mister total can add on if he wants to so oftentimes what we will do is we will present information like for instance, the environmental justice element. We took it to the AG advisory committee listen to some of their comments and critiques. We then took those comments went back made some changes based on the information they've given us and then we went back to the AC and explained what And then we indicated we would move on to the planning commission if that additional comments they could provide comments to the planning Commission directly.
So that is typically what we do our work with a committee like the AC.
Okay. I guess my request would be on this that you guys also report back to the Planning Commission with the critique that you get from them. I mean, I know you guys made some changes on environmental justice one but I think it is important especially open space that's a big part of it that I think it'd be important to relay to the planning commission and make sure you connect those dots because I think sometimes that's missing and to ask a bunch of farmers Not only come to AAC meeting, but now I have to go show up to a Planning Commission hearing to make sure that their feedback is given. It's a little disingenuous and I think that that's something that really should be coming from staff. And so I guess I'm going to give you guys some direction here hopefully through the rest of the board supports as making sure what your guys are getting from the Ag Advisory Committee can get pushed through this entire process.
Supervisor Nelson through the chair. So I think we could certainly in staff reports in the future include the feedback that we got from the AG advisory committee so that they see the direct comments.
Yeah, I think that would be helpful for planning commissioners and eventually board members when we see it too. You know, I think that's really important. We have this committee you know I'm going to ask a question just that given the question about cultural and tribal interest how
Hi, Supervisor Caps. So with all general plan amendments we do a consultation process with tribes that are registered with the state's Native American Heritage Commission. They keep a list of all tribes who've requested consultation and so we notify them when we begin a general plan amendment and We we tell them that were ready and available for consultation. And then they have 90 days to respond and let us know whether or not they wish to consult with this. We anticipate that they will want to consult with us in particular on the open space element because there is this component regarding open space for tribal resources and so I want to discuss that with them and make sure
Thank you.
Supervisor Hartman? A couple of things. Supervisor Nelson's suggestion about the input by the Ag Advisory Committee, we also have trails committee and we also have a parks commission but I think AI makes it easy to take meeting notes and summarize and that might be so it's not a huge staff burden to take notes So that might be something to consider, but I think it wouldn't be nice to have an addendum with some summary comments from those organizations.
I think that I support the moderate option with the idea that it's a phase one and to be integrated later into the conservation element and combined with it. I think that the idea of advisory group is a really good one because there's a lot of organizations that have important data and outreach That I think would be helpful. I don't think it has to be burdensome, but I think you know a couple meetings would be very helpful for this phase and then for the future phase.
I think that I would like to see planning I think it would be helpful if we could designate a staff person to work to attend some of the salt meetings if in fact that grant is awarded because And finally, you're already planning to do this. But I think that it's important that we integrate these planning efforts with other planning efforts that have been done like the ones that are relevant to climate resilience like stormwater and then ongoing ones right now that Egypt, the environmental justice rec master plan et cetera.
So that's where I am.
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Yeah, thank you and along the lines of Supervisor Hartman we partner on this I just yeah just wanted as we've met about this already. Just want to make sure that We really are. Our role is really to set the framework and to help work with all these other organizations that do conservation work anyway, to really kind of set the framework that they're doing the work academic organizations nonprofits we have so many thankfully in Santa Barbara County that we've heard from many of them today and thanks to those speakers but just so that we're leveraging resources and not recreating wheels etc. So that's where I am
Madam Chair, I just wanted to share some thoughts about a comment that Supervisor Hartman made and it's about the concept of an advisory committee. I'm going to ask the board to give us some flexibility in this area because we are going to bring a consultant on We want to make sure that we are providing the right information. The right way to do the public outreach. We want to make sure all these groups are involved.
But I prefer not to commit to any particular approach until you get some more information and think about it a little bit more.
Would that come back to the board or would at least you would inform us and I wouldn't I
I just want to make sure we can craft the process in a way that we can gather their input but we can keep the process moving because we do have some deadlines that we need to meet and resource constraints. Yes, thank you.
Refresh my memory. I think you said that there were a few, but refresh my memory like what? I mean we haven't updated this in 79 it's state mandated. I support obviously the general rewrite modernization but what haven't we been able to do that this would then all these meetings I mean man If you're watching this from somewhere and you aren't actively involved in this, this seems like a lot of government gobbledygook. And I'm just curious what would we have done or what could we have done if we... What's this going to allow us to do better?
We're going to go ahead and get started. I'm going to turn it back over to you
because we're doing a pretty freaking good job super light rather loving, you know through the chair as I reflected in and I think supervisor Nelson said many of We've been doing a lot of work in the last couple of years. Figuring out which spaces are the most important and protecting them and a lot of it's been through private effort that that is true, which is not a bad thing. That's right. That's a positive thing. That good thing. I think what this just allows us to do is like we said modernize the open space element actually Ensuring that we provide as I said equal access to open space.
And integrating things like the recreation master plan. We're also using open space to address the climate adaptation so things that we've already talked about. So it is going to allow us to set sort of this bigger picture objective of the county and that's certainly I mean, that's what our general plan is supposed to do is to to set these guiding goals and policies for how
I'm good. Looking at slide 8 where it just talks about the consultant total, I like the one that says zero cost. I mean even moderate is not that expensive but and it's already in the work program? Okay. I'm good with low and I agree saying it's low makes us feel like we're not doing anything Should be awesome, super awesome and extra super awesome or
something. I appreciate those comments from the board as I was watching the PowerPoint and she said Julie said low. I thought why did we name it that? So comment noted.
Supervisor Hartman. Well, I would just like to add on the answer to supervisor Lavanino's question we do have a lot of development pressure in the future coming. We have a lot of fragmented habitats if you could combine it's easier to fragment it has a lot less value We have a lot of quarters with big gaps in them and has again more value when you've got a whole quarter.
And again, this idea of where we have multiple benefits again like stormwater retain capture basins recharge areas. We've identified that in maps but we haven't really figured out where are the open spaces And how do we protect those areas? And that's really important for climate resilience going forward to recharge our aquifers. So, that's just one example of the kinds of things that we can do through this plan so I think it really gives us an opportunity Land is precious, especially in Santa Barbara County and where we get multiple benefits it's important to know that because those are the ones that rise to the top. And we have some tools but we've never really had an opportunity to map that out and say these are really the top where we're getting a lot of value and we want to do what we can to protect those.
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Okay, so President Nelson.
Yes thank you Chair Caps. Yeah I'm still on the low. You know what to say is if you do what you've always done you're going to get where you're always gonna get and I think that it's very telling today that we had three speakers for ICE but we have 13 for this one because in our county We have a complexity that we bring to sometimes these planning projects and elements, and I think that's not always as valuable as we think it is.
And I'm afraid that this process is going to go in the direction that we're going to wish it hadn't just because I've seen it over and over again. And so that's why I'm fearful on this. So that's why I'm still at low. I hope to be wrong and that would be great. And that this is all fits perfectly, and it's a great process but I just you know I have never seen it work out that way. I think for a lot of the values that we have we have CEQA first of all that protects almost all the things that you guys are talking about here already You know, all those things have to be mitigated in a project. This is going to be another element that, you know, county staff at $300 an hour is gonna have to be evaluating on a project as well as the same on the private sector.
It's just gonna make projects more expensive. That's why I want simplicity here. Because I think that we want to actually see economic development. We want to see projects happen in our county. We want to have flexibility so that we can preserve open space, because sometimes these things come in conflict because we have all these prescriptive policies in place. And so I'm just kind of warning saying hey, I think this is going to be a problem the future because I've seen it been in the past and it's constantly been that way for us. I hope to be wrong.
With that, I really do. I really do. You know because I want to support open space. I'd rather just check the couple boxes that we have at the state and then have a little asterisk right there that says see Santa Barbara County Land Trust you know because I think they're doing an awesome job. And you know I'm going to continue to fight for open space. I just don't know if this is the best way of doing it.
Supervisor Hartman. I'm prepared to make a motion but not before I say, I'm still recovering from a seven hour meeting on ice where we had many commenters so I think the community is very interested in a wide range of important issues. Madam Chair if you're ready for a motion I'll give it a shot. Sure So I move A and C in staff recommendation. And as far as B goes that the planning and development staff update the open space element according to the moderate option, and that the open space element be developed to be integrated into and combined with the conservation We integrate the open space element with other existing plans and ongoing planning efforts to address the goals of access, climate resilience and rewilding.
And I would also like to ask that county staff designate somebody if the SALT grant is awarded to participate in that process because I think that that would be really important. So that is my motion.
I'll second that.
So we have a motion on a second, do we want to do a roll call vote on that?
For discussion so does include agriculture being incorporated into the discussion?
I think there's no question that tribes, agriculture all of these and I think P&D asked that they have some discretion about working with their consultant for an advice you know not saying an advisory group. But in addition I think Supervisor Nelson suggested that a way for AEC to come to us So I guess that could be direction it's not exactly part of this motion because I think it's bigger than just this element.
Got it thank you for clarifying that.
Does the
motion make sense to.
Supervisor Hartman I supervisor Nelson chair caps I motion passes 3 to 2.
Thanks so much we will move on to our last department item number 4.
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Chair Caps and members of the board, departmental item number four is from the County Health Department. It is a hearing to consider recommendations regarding a resolution for Environmental Health Services EHS relating to retail food facility fees. Yeah
first Supervisor Lee has a comment.
Good I just want to say that I got a letter from the FPPC that I can participate in this discussion.
Oh great thanks so much okay
It's not our intention to delay this but it seems we are getting everybody in. We're glad that we can give you the final meal on this day. Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Supervisors. I'm happy to present the last item for today with me are our Deputy Director for Operations Lars Seifert as well as our Chief Financial Officer Gus Mejia as well as Jason Johnson, our Environmental Health Service Director.
And we're here to present the proposed environmental health service Food facility program fees. These are based on the cost of service study that was provided at the December 10, 2024 board meeting and in accordance with the direction of the board that our fees should be based on full cost recovery so we had prepared a fee resolution for your consideration This fee resolution will not result in programmatic changes, but is an administrative action necessary to ensure adequate funding levels are maintained for our existing programs and services.
Environmental Health Service food program fees were last updated six years ago in April of 2019 following a completion of a cost-of-service study that was conducted in the years before. In order to do this cost fee analysis, we contracted with Wilford Consulting which is a professional fee study consultant. The analysis of existing fee categories was conducted and to determine if individual fees should be added removed or restructured A time analysis was conducted on the time required to complete services per fee activity for achieving mandated service levels and regulatory requirements.
An hourly rate was determined for providing these services comprised of staff salaries and benefits, equipments and supply costs and other direct and indirect support costs. The hourly rate was then used to calculate each fee based on the time required by staff to perform that service. The methodology and proposed fees that are included in this fee resolution before you have been reviewed and approved by the Auditor and Controller Office.
We reviewed 36 fees in the Retail Food Program. Of these 36, 20 were proposed to increase, 12 are proposed to decrease, one remain unchanged. There were three that were proposed to add So to reflect in a more accurate and equitable way to recover the cost where a specific fee does not currently exist. These examples are compact mobile food operations, Cottage Food Class A registration and Fishersman Market.
Both compact mobile food operations and fishermen markets are currently permitted in existing fees categories and being moved to their own specific fees. There were two fees that were restructured, and these are the temporary food where we added a category for non-profit organizations. Lastly was with other environmental health programs We are proposing a standardized application fee and an hourly rate across all our areas. The current application processing fee is dropping from $255 to $145, and we're increasing the hourly rate from $161 to $214, and our hourly rates also include whenever inspection and compliance is needed. Jason?
As a fee-for-service regulatory agency, the proposed fees provide full cost recovery to our EHS oversight in the individual activities. These fees presented are a sample of fees showing current fee, proposed fee, change in costs to achieve full cost recovery. For example, a food annual help permit of 1,501 to 3,000 square feet is your typical restaurant. A mobile food facility food prepared in the vehicle is a food truck you would see on the street or parking lot.
Codged food is home cooked foods from a state approved food list that do not require temperature control for safety with class B being able to sell indirectly and has a higher gross annual sales limit versus a Class A. And school dining facilities are your school cafeterias. And satellite dining facilities are limited food prep operations on the same property and in conjunction with a permanent food facility, but in a different structure or area on the property.
A list of EHS fees and proposed changes being considered today can be found in Appendix B Additionally, EHS is proposing to evaluate fees on an annual basis with the ability to come back to the board once a year to adjust fees based on percent change of the reference consumer price index similar to planning development public works and other EHS fees. In setting proposed fees, EHS did evaluate similar programs and services in other comparison jurisdictions To ensure the level of effort, staff and cost were within industry standards for the service provided.
The following three slides will present comparisons of common fees with comparison jurisdictions. In all slides green is proposed in current with comparison counties in blue and the median shown in the orange bar. The first example is an annual health permit for a food facility between 1,501 and 3,000 square feet. This composes 29% of our permitted food facilities with the 501 to 1,500-square foot category, which is another 34%. These make up our largest permit categories.
As shown, our current fee of $842 has proposed a decrease to $823 below the median of $1,290. This next comparison is for mobile food facilities, food prepared in the vehicle. This is 54% of our mobile food permits Again, our current fee of $468 is proposed to increase to $542 and again below the median of $652 of comparison jurisdictions. The last example is the annual health permit for a school dining facility The annual fee is proposed to increase from $585,000 to $806,000 but does remain below the median of $1,039,000.
Ventura County is not shown as they do not have a specific school category. They charge the same as a restaurant with their fee ranging from $728 to $1,311 based on the size of the facility. San Luis Obispo does not charge a fee for schools however they receive non-user fee funding to support their program It should be noted that schools are inspected at least twice a year in order to meet their federal USDA school nutrition program requirements.
Additionally, for schools such as junior highs and mainly high schools that have multiple facilities they also have satellite dining facilities in addition to their annual health permit and these are proposed to decrease from 410 to 253 versus a median of 458. As part of the process of developing and bringing these fees to the board, EHS did conduct public outreach including seven stakeholder meetings both to discuss the process as well as the fees proposed.
These included separate meetings focused on cottage food, temporary food facilities, and temporary food facility nonprofit event organizers Based on the feedback from non-profit event organizers, we are recommending no change in the event organizer fee for temporary food facility and non-profit event organizers with two to six boosts. Participants in all public meetings were the general community permitted facilities agents and other government agencies.
These were announced via emails to regulated facilities contacts and other stakeholders The cost of service setting, meeting times and both phone and Teams links were provided. Our public notice announcement page also.
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Thank you Jason. Thank you. We ask the board to, in order to approve our fees and obtain full cost recovery we recommend that the board take the following action. To adopt and approve and adopt the resolution amending the fees for retail food facilities. To approve ratify and authorize the director of county health or designee to extend the term and make certification for the grant funding allocation award of $44,000 548 and 47 cents in Assembly Bill 178 local government micro enterprise home kitchen operation assistance program funding through the California Conference of Directors of Environmental Health for the period of May 31, 2025 through November 30, 2025 with no change to the total grant amount. Just for clarity this is a grant that extends and ties to our food fees as well as the food safety program basically where we look at the micro enterprise home kitchen operations.
And finally, find that this recommended action is exempt from CEQA review. Thank you.
Thank you so much Supervisor Lavenino.
Thank you I'm curious on the On the outreach, the public outreach and I know I'm very impressed with how much you did. I'm wondering how much response you got were people attending? Listening?
We had attendees that every single one some only had one or two people some had one had 50.
Nice okay
yeah it and we did it over January, February Ag Advisory Committee which we didn't include here because that was mainly focused on our other fees and then we did another one in April towards the nonprofits.
Okay, I just want to I don't know if any other departments are listening or anything but this for when you do fees increases. This is kind of the gold standard for me is that it did a lot of good things first off instead of saying across the board where you know he's going up 3% or 5%. There was full analysis The fact that you reached out and did all the comparison counties, it really helps us when I have a constituent that's really upset. I can say yes, understand.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank God you don't live in Marin or Sonoma. Well, I wish I did but the outreach also and then the fact that I don't really think we have much public comment on an item that I get a lot of public comment on in my office of people that are,
Thank you. Supervisor Nelson?
Yes, thank you Chair Caps. Are enforcement costs built into these fees?
They are.
Yes, as part of the fee structure there is a certain amount of enforcement that's included into this. It doesn't always encompass or envision obviously a larger effort such as your unpermitted food vendors that was not built into the fees because it's more the routine complaint response and things like that that are built into the time for that fee.
So the enforcement cost that's built into this is only for those who are in the program?
Supervisor Nelson through the chair, it's primarily the people that are in the program but it does include general public complaints and things like that. That would be for both unpermitted and permitted facilities but it is minimal for unpermitted facilities because then the whole intent is basically we do the enforcement, we get them into a permit category and then basically do our inspections.
Sure no I understand that just there's something about You know, basically taxing the people who are actually following the rules to pay for the people that aren't. To get them into compliance that just doesn't sit really well with me but and that's what I keep I've always kind of brought up when it comes to fees in general. I think that there's a reason why we're able to charge fees is that as a governmental agency, we are charged with protecting health safety and welfare of the general public.
And so it's not just you know, so we have a responsibility to do that not just the permit holder You know, and so I always felt like that should be a shared cost. So I haven't I've not been a proponent of 100% cost recovery budgetarily wise when it comes to June. I am but you know generally is the philosophy on government. I think that there should be some shared responsibility that also puts the onus on staff to own some of the process too because we just put on the permit holders or an applicants, you know?
There's no real incentive there except for you guys because you guys are doing it at one time fee. It's not necessarily hourly so I do appreciate that element to this. You know, You know, I think businesses are used to paying fees. Right? They're paying taxes or fees. It's cost of doing business and those ones I have less of an issue with it's the ones that you know are only touching environmental health and food services on a rare basis. Maybe once a year maybe every couple years they may be able to have a fundraising barbecue so I'm going to have I need to call Environmental Health for that, right? So my friend's got cancer. We're going to be raising some funds.
What kind of fee am I going to be paying?
I believe and Jason can add more this is why we created a new category for non-profits and it is based on the size of the event and this needed or necessitated the two different rates but Jason if you can add flavor to that.
So we're talking a single booth. It's like you imagined, so barbecue would not be at low risk. That'd be $342.
So to have a fundraising barbecue in my community, I need to come get a permit from you guys for $342?
Correct.
And right now how does it do that? It's 196? Is that right?
Correct
So this is proposing raising the fees on barbecues by 75%. I mean, it's math that I already did it. So I think the answer is yes. OK. Let's say we have more of a carnival like a church does. We have one of our churches here in Orchid and they have a bunch of food booths. Let' say they have six food booths or 10, let's go 10. What are they going to pay on this for having that carnival?
The event organizer is paying $716 because there were seven or more booths And that's mainly for time pre-event paperwork, reviewing, verifying they have everything for the event. And then each booth would be based on the food proposed. Generally it's a mix of both low risk and higher risk. So you'd have a mix of $172 and $342.
OK so on the low end I'm going to pay $2,400 in fees for that carnival. On the high end I'm going to pay About $4,500 for that. So before I've even been able to raise any money for my charity, I'm paying that in fees. OK. Does the board have discretion to lower that fee in this process? Council?
ELIZABETH BUTLER-RIDDLEY Supervisor Nelson, I am not sure. I'll take a look.
OK. Supervisor Nelson, I'd just like to add on to this as well. There are some complexities here and there are some other exemptions available from permitting altogether. There's a Craven Act exemption which basically for profits if they're donating to a cause and they're not making money off of the event would actually not be required to get a permit at all.
Others also if you have a mobile food truck that is attending your event there is not a separate booth permit fee for those mobile food trucks because they're permitted separately And there's also a members and guests exemption. So if you are a private club or church and you're basically doing a fundraiser with the members and guests of those facilities, they would not be subject to a permit. I just wanted to raise those as there are some other alternatives that can be worked through and we often do with non-profit charities to try to lower that cost burden for them but yes Is there a cost associated with the inspections and making sure that food safety is handled? I
totally understand there's costs involved. I don't dispute that at all, I'm just saying is it worth it for us to disincentivize these activities because that's what it does either most people either don't do the fundraisers. I've gotten calls from multiple nonprofits that call your office and then they said so we're not gonna have that after all You know, the first, you know I recently had a youth group call me and said, you know, the first 50 sandwiches we're selling is pay goes towards paying off the permit to be able to have the fundraiser.
And so it I just really struggle with that. We have these groups that are doing some public good, and we are pricing them out of it. These are the highest percentage increases that were in this whole deal is to them. It's 75% for booths for nonprofits. It's 86% for nonprofits for their event coordinators this time. And then the other ones that hit nonprofits here are our stack bars, which we're going to raise the rate for our stack bars by almost 200%.
As part of this fee increases here.
Can we go real dollars instead of percentages? Because percentages get real. No, no problem. Yeah so low dollar items.
No problem it's going to you know the first snack bar previously was paying $234 for the league for the season now they're gonna pay $700. I mean, and maybe that's fine. Maybe I mean it's there some cost there but I do think that that's something that you know we don't charge nonprofits property tax under certain circumstances. I think there's a public good with not charging nonprofits for these services.
I think something that I've I support you know if we could actually even all even vote for the rest of them if we can get rid of that but I would say that what I want to see is exempt the fees for the nonprofits, for the temporary food permits and the seasonal food permits.
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I don't I don't disagree with that, but I'd like to see what is that mean? What percentage of our business is that? What percentage of public health is that? Like, I don't want to go just write a million dollar check. But if it's de minimis where it's only 30,000 or 20,000 dollars over business, we should take a look at that. So can we break it up and say Let's move forward on everything except that and have that come back to us because I agree with you on some of it, but I just want to see how big of a piece of the pie. That is
okay. And just from a benefit too. I also looked at the fund balance for the retail food program. I was able to get that as well. We're sitting on about $350,000 of fund balance which right now we're anticipating using a lot of that for this year's program if we don't pass these. But if we do pass this then you're expected to get another $320,000 that you weren't normally going to have for this year's budget. So it seems like though we have more than enough money in this to pay for this program but if we can bring that back then I'm supportive of doing that.
Since we restructured the non-profit, we tried to estimate some of the cost involved and what that would cost. And I'll let Gus probably fill in some numbers but just to make sure that it's something that the board understands that if we exempt or reduce at one side, then we have to add that somewhere else and as you said get it from somewhere. And this is where I guess our finances are going to be weighing
in. So we've been trying to determine what that impact will be and we believe It could be up to $110,000. So previously as you know we just separated these and so it would be about half of that permit that goes to the nonprofit. So roughly about 110,000 is our best estimate at this time.
You're saying half of the increases that are anticipated here at this year are to the nonprofits? Right, trying to understand that.
Supervisor Nielsen I think the Temporary Food Program, the fees as structured would be about a $220,000 increase overall in revenue for the year of those we're estimating about half would be non-profit so if you exempted nonprofits altogether versus just the low volume ones You would be looking at somewhere around, and we haven't done the analysis in that detail for this. But it would be somewhere between $125 to $150,000 likely that we would have to make up somewhere else.
We do have for the year and for our permits, this is I believe about $320,000 is the total fee revenue that we anticipate made that will change depending on fee volume. And like you said, with our reserves or designation that we have is about $350,000. So without this increase in fees basically you would be looking at depleting that entirely for this year so we do need to move forward I understand, you know the impacts to these businesses. There was a couple and I think you mentioned the seasonal, the Little Leagues. There's I think 10 of them that we have permitted right now.
That would be something that obviously we could look at not moving that fee forward and it would have minimal impact and probably a benefit to Little Leagues but again that's the board's discretion on that and we would have to evaluate You know, impacts following. So that's just wanted to put that on the table. The nonprofits is much more extensive just because of the volume we have throughout the year and the cost associated with inspecting those events.
That analysis has not been done to date and so we'd not be prepared to bring you a here's the number but we were estimating just to write around that if you didn't move those fees forward it would be about $20,000 to $150,000 less revenue for us in this year.
Yeah I think that even if it's a hundred ten thousand dollars that means we have three years worth of funds and that because we've overcharged in other years for these fees and I like to see that go towards the nonprofits as give us some time to figure that out for future cycles so that would be my preference as we evaluate this or move forward
So could you help me with this line of questioning about like snack bars at Little Leagues and schools? How many were we talking about that are permitted?
That that fee category itself is there's about 10 of them that are permitted, right?
I mean there's probably hundreds that happen so.
Yeah, there are some temporary ones that are basically exempt depending on but these are the ongoing seasonal one that basically do sort of light restaurant operations
through their season. You know they'll do the fried burritos right and you got to do your in your hot dogs right that's what you're talking about yeah. So they have to
be preparing food. Cooked food.
So not just a basketball game with this M&M's, this is the stuff that's... This is prepared food, this
is not packaged food. Thanks for
clarifying.
So we have ten that we're talking about here? Well, I see the rationale. And so you're proposing exempting those?
Yeah, I'm proposing exempting those. Well, those 10 were at the Little Leagues but then also there's these festivals that we have and these other barbecues that we do throughout our community for nonprofits that I think there's a public good in having them and having them get permits I'm going to have it after all, but it's that it still happens with no regulation and no you know oversight. And so kind of making criminals of good people trying
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Thank you. Supervisors and I understand Supervisor Nelson's point about the value of nonprofits, there was a couple of options I'd ask us to look at one would be that whether the fees could be structured. I wouldn't want to approve some fees and then hold those out And I know the department needs to move forward on this, but my question would be then can you chart some of the fees are less than the median. Could you go back and look at those? So some businesses or larger organizations may have higher fees in order to keep the nonprofits at a lower level. So that's one proposal I'd make to the board. The other is in the past, I know this happens for planning fees sometimes for nonprofits or other organizations. Sometimes the board will either pay it out of their district funds for the board to subsidize it.
And so rather than changing the whole structure, that's another avenue that you could go to but I would ask if you want to think Supervisor Nielsen is bringing up a valid point about if the board feels that there's value in keeping fees low for the nonprofits, I would think that you'd have I think the department didn't know that, and so we'd have to look at the whole structure again. And I don't know how long that would take.
But it looked like some of our fees are below the average or the median for the other counties, so maybe there is some room.
I would just also mention, I think Rachel might say something as well along those lines, but Proposition 26 does limit what we can charge for the for-profit costs. So we basically cannot exceed the cost of the service that we are providing.
Supervisor Nelson, members of the board. To follow up on your question there is a number of things in the resolution if the Board adopts it including the ability for EHS to prorate the fees. There's also ability for people to contest the charges and then to your direct question there is the ability for someone to seek a waiver And the board would need to make a finding that there's good cause. And then typically, that's where backfill funds are identified if needed.
Surprisingly,
so just about this, could we do one year program where we can identify these costs? How it actually impacts us or do waiver fee where We're going to take a look at this because
I think We're taking away from one, adding on to the other. It's all intertwined but we do need to have a discussion on that. I don't think most people thought that this was going to be about today or otherwise we might have heard from some other people but I haven't reached out to any of the non-profits. Mine was more brick and mortar restaurant folks So. Honestly, I don't know if going from 300 to 700 is that big of a deal for someone selling you know sandwiches all day that's making 10 grand or 15 grand so and if it is come to my office and I do have district funds in the 5th District that can subsidize some of this stuff so.
I'd rather just see us move forward now and bring this back for further discussion at another time to kind
I do appreciate the concern about the nonprofits. These are very reasonable increases summer decreases I would be it'd be interesting to see someone get their decrease bill. I don't know if that's ever a fees that that ever happens from my government
entity by Madam Chair for county that is so famous for being higher and everything than the rest of counties for us to be lower than most of our neighboring counties. Sure,
no I know so again if there's a fix on this one I think we're good to go and I don't know what that is here but I'm open to the idea. Supervisor Hartman?
Well I don' t like using fund balance. I think that's not a good strategy. I think you suggested that Supervisor Nelson
What are we going to do with the fund balance that's left in there, that we've overcharged in fees of the last 10 years?
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So that fund balance is there in case we have overruns or in case you know there's a need for the department. But that's the primary purpose of that.
Supervisors, many of our departments that charge fees because it depends. It's up and down but they have a level of fixed cost. They do carry some fund balance because of that just as Gus said.
And I would like to think of these fees not only as As you mentioned, we just want someone to come and fill an application and charge something. These go to an operation that looks at compliance, looks at safety, looks at the best value for people that are living and being served by these facilities. And yes I agree sometimes those that have violations more than others might be using more of our time than those that are abiding by the rules. But the same applies for the whole police department, we cannot say that just the criminals need to pay for taxes for the police. We all enjoy the services of the Police Department and I'd like to think of ourselves as maybe not the police of environmental health but at least the safety keepers similar to how we maintain a vaccine program that may be Not everybody uses or our disease control program that only specifically looks at those that are infected.
But yet, that process is ensuring that those that are infected are not infecting others and again the cost is spread across all.
Okay, I'll make a motion. And and I just want to say too that public health our office got hit this last week with one of our employees that got very very very ill from foodborne illness and it wasn't the doctor's office that called and responded it was Public Health that tracked that down was trying to determine exactly where that food came from so whether it's and I eat the freaking deep fried burritos at the baseball games I do They probably have a lot of salmonella, but they do taste good. So I'll make a motion that we move forward with staff recommendation with the direction that let's say within you know what in the next budget when we go to April and we go to Budget Workshop that we try to come up with some options for our come up with nonprofits and figure out a way to kind of alleviate the cost.
And hopefully that direction helps.
I'll second.
Thank you so much.
Okay, so we have a motion in the second and president Nelson yes, thank you chair about that I appreciate it. It's not going
to get my support for this at this point
You know, this isn't a new issue. Public Health's known that this is something I've been going after for six years and I was told today was the day for me to do it so I know it feels like a surprise but it's not from my office. It's literally been on our whiteboard for that long and so it's something that has hit our office maybe just because I have a lot more in a corporate area. I don't know exactly why that's been something that my offices had to deal with over the years I hope it can come back even sooner. I also hope that we don't spend down this fund balance because I do think this is a good spot for it because I do think these are dollars that came from overcharging.
or excess revenue, whatever you want to call it. Characterize it. So I would like to see that maybe be locked down so that when we come back with something that would be a good place to do in it and maybe find a streamlined way for non-profits to get permitted too, to bring your guys' time down too so it doesn't cost you more. You know, I think that's also one of the ways of doing this too. So, I can support that program as we have proposed right now but I look forward to being part of discussions in the future to solve some of these problems.
Well OK so generally what a person with no heart would say then is if. Is if you couldn't support that and we can't bring it back and you're going to vote against it, then why are we going to bring it back in the first place to talk about
it? Because I because I compelled. You guys thought that was a good idea. No, I said I'd vote for it if we could bring those down to zero so that was what I put on the table. I didn't revoke.
I still have such a big heart. We're gonna bring it back in April anyway.
Do you have an alternate motion?
Yeah. What do
we got another plan?
Yeah, my motion was to bring down the fees for the nonprofits. To either status quo I mean, I guess that could get me to move forward is leaving the fees at status quo for the nonprofits. Again, so I want to get those down to zero because they're already the current fee amount is preventing nonprofits from either having their fundraiser or not getting a permit.
It's happening in our county every day and so again that was what I was trying to accomplish here
Well, the problem is public health has to go out there and do it. So I don't want to just send people out to do things for free. I mean that'd be that's a great world to live in but that's not reality so The problem is we can't take them down to zero today because or we can't even take them back because it's going to have to rework the entire schedule. I'm going to move forward with my motion that we move forward with this will bring it back in April.
And we'll try to figure out other solutions you guys great minds can come up with and appreciate the fact that you brought it up because it's an area of concern and we should we should address it but You know, before we got all the way down this road and I know you've been talking about it for a long time but. I haven't heard that
so that would allow us time to also look into what is the utilization? And what is that real cost because we have something in practice
and then let's you know, we can do reach outreach and bring some of the folks in here and say okay and don't. I know what you want to do, which is going to probably have the opposite effect. So I like to see barbecue along Main Street just as much as you do and I think these little leagues should get a break but we also have to protect the public as well.
Supervisor Lee?
So I would like to second Supervisor Nielsen's motion. Let's keep it at status quo. Would that work for you?
I just have a question because I'm interested too. What if we, sorry I don't understand, what if we just did this, if we kept the status quo and used the fund balance just one time and then reworked it going forward? So if we- So you
use fund balance between now and April?
Yeah.
And then
how
much would you burn up
of the fund balance? What is that fiscal impact?
Because it's difficult because since 2019, we've not distinguished between nonprofit and for profit for community events. So we don't have current data or the scale or scope of what that utilization might be. We did propose today to have the two to six boosts which we did look back at some of our historical things so there's a smaller Church functions that would be basically non-profit. Those we kept, we recognized that basically keeping the fee at the same level was going to meet our costs for that sort of event so we did keep that the same but we're not, we don't have the numbers to prepare
for it. To give a simple answer if the estimate is By keeping their fees as is, the difference that we are not capturing is close to $150,000. That is half of our fund balance which is $300,000 now.
But it's 10? It's separate.
So from the one booth selling
hamburgers to a carnival, that is
the 150.
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It's only for eight months, it's not for an entire year either because we're going to bring it back in April but I just don't like the idea. I don't know what are the other options that we do with fund balance but using fund balanced balance. I mean to do a program is probably not the greatest idea but
well just a point of order didn't we have a motion and a second? And now we have a second motion and a second.
I was just offering that as well.
So let's just do clarification point of order. So we have yours
I made a motion to move forward with staff recommendation come back in April with options
and
Supervisor
Herman seconded
by that time you guys can figure out who's a nonprofit who's not a nonprofit right
okay We'll do a roll call vote on that one. I actually
didn't make a motion, but thank you for the support. Thank you.
Roll-call vote Passed 3–2 move forward with staff recommendation come back in April with options and Supervisor Herman seconded by that time you guys can figure out w
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Motion passes 3-2.
Okay with that we are adjourned until September 9th. Have a wonderful Labor Day everybody!