BodyPlanning Commission
MeetingRegular Meeting
Date📅 August 12, 2026

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed13:10

What's that? Are we on? Sorry. My hearing aids are, can you hear it out there? I'm turning them off. OK. Figure that out. Good morning everyone, this is the August 12th 2026 meeting of the Santa Barbara County Planning Commission.

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed13:41

Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance and begin.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 2Proposed13:48

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:07

And if we can have the TV coverage announcement please.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role14:47

And Chairman O'Connor? Here, thank you.

Roll call, called by Clerk of the Board
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Yes, thank you Mr. Chair. Planning Commission hearings are televised live on County Santa Barbara Television CSB TV channel 20 at 9 a.m in the South Coast, Lompoc, St. Innes Valley, Santa Maria and Orkut areas. Rebroadcast of Planning Commission hearings are on Fridays at 5 p.m on CSB TV channel 20. Today's hearing will also be streamed live on the county's website as well as the county's YouTube channel and will be available for download in a day or two. Should I move on to roll call? Please do. Great. Commissioner Ford? Here. Commissioner Park? I'm here. Commissioner Guy? Here. Commissioner Martinez? Here.
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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed14:51

Item four on the agenda is the election of a new 2026 Planning Commission Chair. Is there a nomination for chair? Commissioner Ford

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed15:02

Good morning, I'd like to nominate Tony Guy for the role of chair.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed15:08

Is there a second to that nomination? I'll second to that. Very good. Any other nominations? All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed say no. Congratulations. Let's switch seats all right And I should say as my last official act congratulations and welcome to the Commission.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9515:58

Thank you very much, I appreciate it Commissioner Mary Connor Okay, considering this is my first official meeting. I will be needing a little bit of help in the protocols of the meeting site and I ask for your patience as we go through.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed16:25

So Mr. Chair congratulations welcome to the Planning Commission. We're excited to have you on board. Thank you. I'll start off with Guiding with agenda.

The next item is item number five, which is the yes agenda status report Once I complete that I'll move to the projection report. Mr. Chair

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9516:42

Okay before we go through may I introduce myself and go ahead and tell the community a little bit about Who I am and what I've done?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed16:50

Mr. Chair, that's your prerogative. Okay, please go ahead.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9516:53

Thank you very much. I appreciate it so I moved to Santa Barbara County in 1982 in order to be a student at UC Santa Barbara. through 82 to 89. I also worked for the City of Santa Barbara Public Works Department while I was in college. I left for a few years, I'm a degreed mechanical engineer and I worked in the aerospace industry so I left to work in Los Angeles County and then Riverside County and I came back to Santa Barbara County in 1992 January of 92 I took a job working for an engineering and manufacturing company in Santa Maria called CND Aerospace.

I worked there until they were acquired by the Zodiac Company in 2005, and then I worked for Zodiac Aerospace, and then they were acquired by Safran, and I worked for Safran until 2022. During that time period, I worked as an engineer I worked as a manager, I was general manager. I became the business unit CEO, the division CEO and I eventually left Safran. I worked in private equity for a short period of time then I was hired by the Boeing company to work as one of their executives and to be the CEO for the Boeing seat manufacturing company That company was called Addie and Aerospace. Today it is called Elevate Seating, and we have a division of it in Santa Maria today that I helped to move from Orange County to Santa Maria in order to continue growing the jobs in the area, and then I retired.

Since I've retired, I became a director for the Santa Maria Public Airport District. I'm currently the vice president Thank you all for inviting me and thank you for having me here.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed19:14

Only one item on the agenda today, which is a change of owner operator and guarantor for the Santa Maria Asphalt Refinery Development Plan. Staff and applicants are here today to present on that item. I can move to the projection report Mr. Chair? Yes please. So our next hearing is scheduled to be on August 26th and that will be in Santa Barbara. There are number of items on that hearing date which is includes a government code conformity determination on Black Road in the Santa Maria area, as well as a T-Mobile telecommunication in the San Ynez area.

A tenant parcel map in the San Ynez area and an equestrian arena as well in the San Ynez area. And then we have a lot line adjustment in the Eastern Goleta Valley. So there's a number of items on August 26th And then moving further down in the projection report on September 2nd, we don't have any items projected. And then on September 9th, we have one item which is a vesting track map and that's in this area as well.

And then I do want to just pause for a second Encourage the commissioners to look at their calendars. September is going to get a little crazy for us. We have working with long range planning, they have a streamlining ordinance package that they're on track to take to the board at the end of the year in order to meet that schedule. There's a number of hearings that need to occur with both the County Planning Commission and the Montecito Planning Commission.

As you know, the Montecito Planning Commission recommends the board on things in the Montecito Community Plan area. But then they recommend to the planning commission as regards areas in the coastal zone area. So the hearing with the MPC needs to occur before the County Planning Commission because of that we are going to ask the commission entertain a shuffling some of the hearing dates so we can line up those hearings. So we can have those hearings done by the end of October and we can transition to the board and then allow the board to have some hearings in November and December.

So here's what the tentative plan is for that. So on September 30th, it's a regular County Planning Commission date. However we want to do two hearings on that date and what we're asking is that the County Planning Commission will meet in the afternoon and we'll have the Montecito Planning Commission meet in the morning so this is similar format that we did when we did the housing streamline amendment package for those of you that were here I don't know how many that was at this point.

It keeps shifting. Commissioner Park can remember that, but that's when we had hearings both in the morning and the afternoon because of scheduling conflicts. We're going to ask that we have the MPC have their hearing in the morning for the workshop and then the County Planning Commission will be in the afternoon and we anticipate that will start at one o'clock for the County Planning Commission so for your notes September 30th would be County Planning Commission beginning at 1 p.m.. And that would be a workshop format so long range planning will present information and take questions and Introduce that streamlining amendment package to the County Planning Commission At that date there won't be any action requested of the County Planning Commission It's just basically an informational item so that you get familiar with the streamlining package And then what we're going to be requesting is that we Cancel the October 7th for the County Planning Commission, and then we'll have that be a Montecito Planning Commission hearing.

And then the same thing for October 14th. And I think on October 14th, we do have a note that Commissioner Ford was going to be absent that hearing date as well. And so we would have October 7 and October 14 will be Montecito Planning Commission hearing dates And then for the County Planning Commission, we would like to set a special hearing on October 21st in place of the 14th and the 7th.

And that would be October 21st and then October 28th would be the County Planning Commission hearing dates. So October 21 would be the first hearing that you would hear this streamlining ordinance amendment package. So workshop on the September 30th and then MPC will have the two hearings in October, and then County Planning Commission will convene on October 21st. So we're asking the commission today to see if you are available on October 21st to have that hearing and set it as a special hearing.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 5Proposed24:12

What's the time for that hearing? It would be 9 a.m.. And projected to end when? When you're done, sorry. Let me be more

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed24:20

professional. Sorry until we'd be you know nine to four whenever depending on your schedules if you have a hard and time we can do that. We're reserving the October 28th date as well so if we don't finish on the 21st, we would just continue to the 28th.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed24:42

It'll

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed24:49

be in Santa Barbara.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction24:50

And that's a

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CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction24:51

Wednesday? It'd

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed24:52

be a Wednesday.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction24:53

So that's a date we would... Well usually we don't do the third

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed24:57

It's a day that the County Planning Commission doesn't normally meet, so that's why we're asking for a special hearing. So that's an MPC scheduled hearing date. So if we could get some concurrence from the commission today and then I'd request a motion to set that as a special hearing on October 21st.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction25:21

That's good for me and I'll make the motion to schedule a special hearing on October 21st.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:25

And it's good for me, and I'll second the motion.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:31

So Mr. Chair and Commissioner O'Connor, I missed that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed25:37

The 21st and 28th, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m., is acceptable to me and I will second the motion to set those two hearings.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed25:47

All those in favor? Wait hold on one second sorry. Sorry Chair. We're moving fast. I appreciate that thank you So let's take that as it will, we'll take a separate motion to cancel any of the hearing dates. So well let's do this one first so we have a motion on the floor and seconded to set a special hearing for October 21st. So Mr. Chair you can, well the 20th is already a hearing so...

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9526:12

Is there any further discussion regarding October 21st? All those in favor? Aye. None opposed? Okay, motion passed. Motion carries so now we need to cancel the meetings on October 7th and October 14th. So Mr.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed26:29

Chair looking at the projection report I'm looking ahead we have September 2nd they have no items projected. I don't anticipate there are going to be any items on that means that those items that have been due. So I'd recommend a motion to cancel October 2nd, September 2nd. Sorry, September 2nd thank you and then we can also cancel October 7th and the 14th.

And also

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9526:55

change the time on September 30th to 1 p.m.? Yes. Okay so I move that we cancel the meeting on September 2 We changed the time on the meeting for September 30th to 1 p.m., and we cancel October 7th and October 14th.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed27:14

Second.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9527:16

Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. None opposed? Motion carries.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed27:27

Thank you, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. Thank you for indulging us and we will at the next hearing, the projection report reflect the changes that we made today. So appreciate the collaboration and help in getting that item scheduled for us so thank you.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction27:45

I have a question about the projection report rather request it sounds like in our next couple of hearings its predominantly third district matters And I've looked at them on the projection report. I don't know anything about any of them and because it's so many of them, I didn't want to be in a position that somebody calls me on a Tuesday morning and says can you come out for a site visit? And I get four of those.

So I would hope that somebody at P&D could brief me with three or four sentences about what each of these is about so I can do a little site visiting in the meantime and plan for that.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed28:22

Commissioner Park through the chair will coordinate with the manager to have them reach out to you. Thank

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9528:28

you may ask that they reach out to all of us not just commissioner park let us all know Mr. Chair commissioners that we can do that okay thank you. Thank You Commissioner Park so

the next item on the agenda is item 7 public comment Are we safe to

move to item number 7? Yes. Okay, so the public comment period is set aside to allow public testimony on items not on today's agenda. The time allotted to each speaker will be set by the discretion of the chair. Total time allotment for public comment is 15 minutes when testifying before the Planning Commission personal attacks and other disruptive behavior are not appropriate.

So at this point do we have I believe we submit the pink form ahead of time for public comment.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role29:25

Yes, Mr. Chair. I have not received any slips. I'm not sure if anyone in the audience is holding one and there are no slips over here. It looks like we have no requests.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9529:35

Okay. Thank you. So

we'll move on to item number eight the Planning Commissioners informal reports Individual commissioners may present brief reports on planning issues such as seminars, meetings and literature that would be of interest to the public and or Commission as a whole which includes site visits. Would any Commissioner care to report?

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CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction30:02

Yes, I would. May I go ahead?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9530:06

Yes thank you Commissioner Park.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction30:08

There are some upcoming things that planning commissioners may want to attend or members of the public. The first that I can recall is Farm Day on September 19th Some or all of the commissioners may have actually received an invitation from SEAG for their VIP tour, where you tour around in a bus and you have a really wonderful set of meals. Seems endless. And it's just a good time to meet a lot of good people on the bus. So I'd really recommend you come. It's fun but to get a sense of what the whole county is all about There's no one thing you could do that would be any better than go to Farm Day and it supports a really great organization.

So I hope you all do that, I'll do that. Second on September 23 through 25 is the California Ag Tourism Summit. I attended that and David Lackey did last year It's really good. It's up in Paso Robles, so it's reachable. They'll have a sort of a get together on the 23rd they'll have on the 24th which is a Thursday. They'll have field trips by buses to various ag tourism facilities in San Luis Obispo County which I look forward to seeing because it's somewhat different rubric than ours, and then they'll have some panels on Friday.

Again because so many of the topics we get in front of us including the upcoming Recreation Master Plan deal with this kind of thing is it's worth your time. Third in Santa Barbara is the conference at that exact same set of dates the 23rd through 25th RCRC, which is rural counties representatives of California. Bob Nelson. is or will be their new president or chair. And it's various members of the board, supervisors from all the different rural counties and there's something like 40 of them that are classified that way.

Their lead off panel on Wednesday morning, the 23rd will be tourism and I will be one of the two panelists on that. And I don't know how you get into that meeting unless you get elected to the Board of Supervisors. But probably if you asked, you could because they'll have staff with them as well. And finally, just for kicks, I have a photo I gave David Villalobos to put on the screen We're getting there.

All right, this is a slide I'm going to use on the 23rd on tourism to illustrate that we have things in every county that are out of this world. This is within 12 miles of Santa Barbara. It's a waterfall I discovered in June. It is not on any map. The stream is not on any map. I had to figure out a way to get to it. I shot this with a drone You know, I travel all over on horseback and my endurance rides. And this is something I discovered from one little place.

But it's a 120 feet tall which makes it the second tallest waterfall in the county. It's 1.5 times the height of Nahui Falls that you see near Buelton. Top 10, if not top 5 tallest waterfalls in Southern California. And there you go and it runs all year so it shows that no matter what we think of tourism in our county there's all sorts of other things that we can enjoy if we just explore enough and organize our ordinances and things to accommodate these ventures.

So thank you I'm finally done

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9534:33

Thank you. How about site visits, Commissioner

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction34:36

Park? What in particular?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9534:43

Well you and I both did the site visit at Santa Maria Asphalt.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction34:47

Oh yes well we'll announce that when we get to that matter.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9534:51

Okay.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction34:52

You know where you'll ask before every item you'll ask if there are any site visits we have to report.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9534:58

Okay.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction35:00

I mean, I do it now but I think it's more useful then. But

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9535:04

thanks for asking. Okay any other Planning Commissioners informational reports? No okay that

we will move on to item number nine minutes of the meeting July 1st to be considered. Move approval

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed35:31

I'll second.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9535:32

Okay, any discussion? All in favor? Aye. I abstain because I was not part of the meeting motion passes okay item number 10 Director's Report and Board of Supervisors Hearing Summary.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 4Proposed35:51

Mr. Joint Commissioner Director Pound will be providing that remotely okay great thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed35:58

good morning commissioners Welcome, Commissioner Guy. We're very excited to have you on the commission.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9536:06

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 6Proposed36:07

And thank you for all the information about your history. I think we shared time at UCSB. Probably. Yeah so um i wanted to thank Commissioner Park for bringing up a couple of items one farm day I have attended for the last few years and it has been extremely educational. So, I do recommend that commissioners attend if possible. You always learn something new and they do serve great food. And it's very helpful to understand the ins and outs of the agricultural operations up in the Santa Maria Valley and the technology that they're bringing into the fields and the challenges that they face as regulations grow and for food safety.

And then on the Ag Tourism Summit, we, the department may have a representative attending to talk a little bit about our experience with our ag enterprise ordinance lessons learned. David Lackey did present last time. We've had an inquiry so we're working that out. So we may be in attendance making a presentation. Our county seems to be sort of on the forefront of these types of regulatory incentives for agricultural operations. We presented at the County Planning Directors Association for California, and there weren't a lot of counties that had engaged in it yet in an extensive way.

So I think they're all excited about moving forward with something that can help stimulate more economic security for the ag operations that they have in their communities, which is the intent of the Ag Enterprise Ordinance. I have not seen you all for a while so I have a fair amount to report on what the board has done. On July 7th they heard the Rose General Plan Amendment and Rezone which was in the second district and that was approved They heard an appeal of an incompleteness determination for Diana Sandoval on an ADU and they found that the application was in fact incomplete.

And then we had been asked by the board to come back with an item regarding ICE detention facilities, and there had been a question as to whether or not our codes would allow for such facility. And through our research, We don't actually have any uses in our code that are similar to a detention facility. So when there is no use identified in our code, it's not an allowed use in the county.

Now if the federal government came in and built one on their own property or leased a property and built one they could do that but there have been instances across Warehouses have been leased to or upgraded or changed some kind of detention facility by a private entity and then ultimately leased to the federal government. And in this case, if a private entity came in and proposed something along those lines we would not approve it because it's not a permitted use.

And so the board had sought an update as to what Whether or not we needed an amendment to prevent that. There were three board members interested in that. And then on the 14th of July, we had an update on the implementation of a CELA across multiple departments in the county and a CELA for Commissioner Guy if since he's new is the software, the permit software that we use in planning development. Planning Development was the first department to bring a CELA And now Acela provides a lot of different types of services. And we've got environmental health on Acela, we've got fire on Acela, public works is on Acela and the CEO is also on Acela with respect to cannabis licensing. So all departments including ITD which led the hearing presented an update on where we are with all of the advancements that we're making in the new software that we're implementing through Acela.

And if you're interested in that, I highly recommend watching it because I think it's very informative on the technology that we're bringing into the county. And then we had our first hearing on that date for utility scale solar and that was the 14th. The board had some changes they wanted to make to the code and some additional research they wanted us to conduct which we have done and we are going back on next Tuesday, on the 18th for a final approval of that ordinance package. A couple of things they were interested in was creating an exemption for a small standalone battery energy storage system and what we're bringing back is quarter acre of a standalone that could be exempt in tier one And another change you might be interested in is the agricultural community.

In fact, Shipper Growers asked if they could establish a Tier 1 exemption for up to 15 acres on agricultural properties if that solar is to serve the agricultural operation solely and we have incorporated that into the code and there's a couple other minor changes as well. And then in terms of future board actions, as I mentioned Utility Scale Solar will be on Tuesday. The continued item we have the HAG 4's general it's a rezone in the 3rd district and that's going on the 18th as well and then on the 1st of September we have the Coastal Resource Mitigation Fund mid-cycle fee assessment reassessment that We're actually going to be changing the fees for the SABLE operations now that they've been active. They are gonna have to contribute additional funds to the Coastal Mitigation Fund, which is then used for grants in the coastal zone up and down the county for different types of projects.

Let's see, and then on the 15th of September we have the first phase of the oil and gas amendments that would prohibit future drilling of new wells. And that will be what we have projected for the board and I'm happy to answer any questions.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9543:33

Any questions? No. Okay, so Mr. Villalobos. Thank you. Help me with the next step here. Thank you very much for the presentation.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role43:48

So next is our standard agenda. I can read the first item into the record. Yes please And then we can go into ex parte declarations. Okay, thank you. Great the following is a hearing on the request of cap resolution partners LLC doing business as Santa Maria Road Materials to consider approval of change of owner operator and guarantor for the Santa Maria Asphalt Refinery Development Plan Permit Number 95DP001 Revision number 3 in compliance with Chapter 25 B of the County Code and to determine the requests are exempt from CEQA pursuant to CEQAs Guidelines Section 15378B as outlined in the Notice of Exemption.

Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9544:36

Okay, help me out just a... okay Are there any ex parte comments? Any site visits? Sorry, Commissioner Park. I got out of the line earlier but...

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction44:53

You know every other new chair and I've faced four new ones in the last 18 months usually just forgets to even ask about ex parte contacts or visits so if you get it out of order you're still ahead of the rest.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9545:05

Oh well thank you.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction45:06

There you are. Mr. Guy and I had a site visit at this site in a meeting with Mr. Fields, I think Mr. Robinson, Mr. Hankey all on the project. It's very useful. I'm older than Mr. Guy so I don't remember the date but maybe he does.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed45:37

Okay. Yes, Vince? I had a conversation with Mr. Aaron Hanke last Wednesday regarding this project and just discussed in regards to the documents that have been submitted thus far. That's it.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9545:55

Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. I also would like to share that I did the site visit with Commissioner Park at Santa Maria Asphalt And I also have had a conversation with Aaron Hanke regarding the same subject to help clarify a few questions that I had. That's all I have to report.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role46:24

And Mr. Chair, I believe now we should go on to staff presentation.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9546:29

Okay. I would like to ask that we have staff presentation at this point

CommentAaron Briggs I'mProposedself-stated46:44

Good morning Chair and members of the Commission. My name is Aaron Briggs I'm the Deputy Director for the Energy and Minerals Division, and this morning I have our Supervising Planner Jax Ibarra giving our presentation. Great thank you. All

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed47:00

right good morning commissioners welcome Chair Guy on the case planner Jacqueline Ibarra and as Deputy Director Aaron Briggs said he's also here today and we're also both UCSB alums so go Gauchos!

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9547:12

Go Gauchos, thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed47:14

Today the Commission is considering the change of owner, operator and guarantor for the Santa Maria Asphalt Refinery's County Development Plan permit. The request is on behalf of CAP Resolution Partners Doing Business at Santa Maria Road Materials for a change of owner, operator and guarantor of the refineries development plan permit number 95DP001 under Chapter 25B of the County Code which governs the process of transferring county permits for certain oil and gas facilities.

And because the application involves a change of owner, guarantor and operator the requests have been combined and to be decided upon by your Planning Commission. Important to note, the request today is to transfer the county permit for the refinery and not for the transfer, bless you, of the refinery itself. And that the permit transfer does not include authorization to restart the facility. That's a separate process under the jurisdiction of Planning and Development and the County Fire Department and the County Air Pollution Control District under existing permit conditions and other authorizations.

The facility is located at 1700 Centon Road outside of Santa Maria in Mr. Martinez's 5th Supervisorial District. You can see in the zoomed out figure, the city of Santa Maria to the east and the facility is about four miles to the west in a more rural area and the zoomed-in figures shows the refinery itself which borders Centon Road and the Santa Maria Valley Railroad This slide gives you a little bit of background and timeline on the refinery. So it was built in the 1930s, and the county issued a development plan permit in 1995.

In 1999, it was acquired by Greca Refining Company, and in 2018, Greca changed its name to California Asphalt Production or CAP. They operated the refinery until 2021 when operations were then shut down by orders from the County Fire Department due to fire code violations with various requirements for restart. CAP essentially then left the refinery idle and eventually went bankrupt in 2024.

In 2025, Santa Maria Road Materials acquired the refinery through a bankruptcy restructuring and now owns the refinery offices and associated lands. Following the acquisition, Santa Maria Road Materials applied to transfer their county permit earlier this year. It has been processed and that is why we are here today. For environmental review of the request, permit transfer does not constitute a project as defined by CEQA section 15378 which exempts administrative actions of governments that do not result in direct or indirect physical changes to the environment.

The permit transfer would meet this definition as the resulting action would update the owner operator and guarantor on the county permit and it would not result in a physical change to the facility. Okay, so for the meat to the potatoes this is a consistency analysis. We analyzed the application in relation to the required findings of Chapter 25B and determined that each finding can be made and they are listed here and I'll go through each in summary.

So first for financial guarantees, we confirmed that Santa Maria Road Materials is current on all their outstanding fees. They've paid over $660,000 in legacy compliance and permitting fees both to Planning and Development and the Air Pollution Control District For item number two, for financial guarantees, Chapter 25B only requires that existing insurance bonds and other financial documents are updated to reflect the new owner.

In this case neither county code nor the permit conditions require Santa Maria Road materials to have insurance for the facility However, there is a permit condition that requires they be responsible for any upset condition. So think oil spill fire hazardous materials release etc. So to demonstrate that they can be financially responsible for such a condition The applicant did provide copies of their existing insurance, which covers $7 million and that's for the EIDL facility as it stands today.

And they've stated that they will increase that insurance to no less than $20 million once the facility is operational For bonds, the permit requires San Maria Road Materials to post a reclamation bond at the permanent shutdown of the facility or continue to pay property taxes through final abandonment. So there is nothing currently on file, no current bond for them to update.

For item three as part of their application, San Maria Road Materials did accept all conditions and requirements of their permit. For item four, safety audits. Chapter 25B requires a safety audit be provided to the new owner, the county conducted safety audit. We last conducted a safety audit on the refinery in 2020 and found approximately 148 outstanding issues that needed to be addressed before the facility shut down in 2021.

When Santa Maria Road materials took over, they did begin a comprehensive restoration program with various upgrades that are currently in progress that will address that audit as well as the fire department stop work orders and other violations. We have also scheduled a supplemental safety audit for August 26th, in which San Maria Road materials will be required to satisfy any findings prior to restarting the facility. And that safety audit will be with Planning and Development, the Fire Department and APCD and Building and Safety.

And finally on this slide for Item 5, Compliance with Permit Conditions. Technically the facility is out of compliance with their permit due to the various violations on the facility itself. However in accordance with Chapter 25B, the applicant entered into a binding compliance agreement with planning and development that demonstrates how and when they will satisfy all outstanding conditions which meets the requirement for this finding.

I'll skip over item six because it's the same as item two, just for change of guarantor versus change of owner. For item number seven, 25B requires that all major compliance plans for the facility be updated to reflect the new owner's contact information. As part of their application materials they did submit all updated plans and they are also being reviewed for overall comprehensive and technical accuracy by Planning & Development and the Fire Department and those more comprehensive updates are currently ongoing.

Secondary compliance plans would also be updated within six months of approval of the change of operator. For item eight, a transition plan. Because the former owner-operator went bankrupt, that was Greca slash California Asphalt Production, San Maria Road Materials couldn't prepare a transition plan with them. However the applicant did provide a comprehensive training plan that outlines the types of training, the schedules for training And that would be applicable to all new staff and staff that used to work at the refinery. It incorporates industry training, site-specific training and lessons learned from the previous operator.

For item number nine, emergency response drills. A desktop drill was conducted as part of San Mary Road Materials Training Program which is outlined in the transition plan in item eight and a field drill will be conducted with the fire department once their more comprehensive Fire Protection Plan is approved and they're currently in conversations with fire updating that plan now.

And finally for item 10, Operator Skills and Resources. So San Mary Road Materials, their managing partners are made up of two individuals here today, Mr. Dave Fields and Mr. Chip Moore both who have extensive industry experience as well as about 15 on-site operations staff who also have industry experience and some have experience at the refinery itself. Dave himself was a former chief executive officer and general manager of the refinery for 18 months, but ultimately left two years prior to the stop work orders being issued.

And we found no major incidents that occurred during Dave's management of the facility. Since then, now as part of San Maria Road Materials, Mr. Fields and Mr. Moore have put substantial resources into correcting violations and updating the facility, as well as becoming current on all fees and past due property taxes. So in conclusion, all findings can be made as discussed in attachment A to your staff report.

And we recommend that the Planning Commission one make the required findings for approval two determine the requests are not a project pursuant to CEQA and three approve the change of owner operator and guarantor on the county permit and adopt the conditions of approval And that concludes staff's presentation and we're happy to answer any questions or wait until after the applicant's presentation. Thank you.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9558:02

Okay, now we will go to the applicant's presentation. No sorry Commissioner Park.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction58:09

Questions from commissioners?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.9558:11

Okay. I'm sorry, questions from the commissioners?

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction58:14

Yeah and I always have questions. So okay. Okay, first thing I want to compliment Ms. Zabara on her report is typically thorough of all her reports and it's very impressive even she has little projects she has a great report and we should all appreciate this so I just like to see her. On prior transfers of this nature, meaning of this nature that relate to oil 25B.

Whether people like it or not I always ask about GHG emissions that we're going to see now that something restarts And I'm not terribly concerned about it here because I think they're very low and they probably net out to be a positive contribution, but it should be in the record. And so do you know what the GHG emissions will be from this project once it's up and operating? I'm sure APCD had those figures.

I've asked Mr. Fields for that and he'll comment as well. But I think that it'd be useful if you got that, you can tell us.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed59:23

So Commissioner Park through the Chair, regarding air emissions we can get back to you on exact numbers but those are outlined. The facility had a mitigated negative declaration prepared back when the development plan was was issued and that analyzed air emissions from construction and operations of the facility. Like you mentioned, they also have permits through the APCD so they're limited on what air emissions they're allowed to emit. They're capped and that is all through Air Pollution Control District.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction59:59

Do you have a ballpark figure where they are?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 8Proposed1:00:02

We can look it up.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:00:03

Okay let me ask you this I'll ask Mr. Fields the same question assuming you go to the podium But not right now. But I'll ask you the same question and then if you could just confirm it, that's your understanding as well. I appreciate it.

CommentAaron Briggs I'mProposedself-stated1:00:17

Just to add to that a little bit so the negative declaration that was done for the project back in 1995 was done prior to greenhouse gases being a CEQA issue? And therefore it was not studied at that time. So that's the reason why we don't have a great estimate on the emissions is because it's never been looked at by P&D at the facility, right?

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:00:39

Okay. Well, thanks.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:00:44

Quick question in regard I noticed that and reading this that there's a lead contamination area so is the applicant now the responsible party for cleaning up that lead contamination area

CommentAaron Briggs I'mProposedself-stated1:01:01

Mr. Chair and Commissioner Martinez, I think the applicant's going to be a little bit more familiar with the circumstances of that issue and it would be best to ask them.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:01:09

Okay but this lead contamination area is within the project site we're talking about here today? I'm seeing head nodding yes. Okay okay well

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:01:19

wait for that answer when it comes up. Thank you. Any further questions or comments from the Commissioners? Okay, so at this point we'll go to the applicant's presentation.

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:01:46

Good morning can you hear me okay? Hello. Hi, Chair and Commissioners. I just want to confirm we have 15 minutes for our initial presentation and five minutes for rebuttal? Is that correct?

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:02:10

Yes, that is correct.

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:02:11

Okay thank you very much. I'm Beth Collins. I am a land use lawyer from Brownstein. I am here today on behalf of Santa Maria Road Materials. First, thank you so much to staff. Thank you Commissioner Park for noting. Thanks for your great work over these years and the very thorough presentation and report Second, our team is here. Chip Moore and David Fields, our CEO are here if you have questions which you apparently do and some we'll cover in the presentation. We might cover them in question-and-answer after as well.

Chip's actually going to do the presentation with me so if you have follow up for David he's here as well. So I just want to acknowledge this is a strange, relatively strange situation for the Planning Commission to consider in that we're not asking for new permit to develop. Instead my client purchased this property and the existing planned and the associated permit out of bankruptcy so it's that's an odd situation.

And then on top of it we are We're going to be looking at section 25 B. And that change is from the As you heard in the staff presentation, the county has these findings. It requires the Planning Commission to make and frankly, I'm going to talk a little bit about what we're doing here at the County Council. So as you can see, most of the properties that are on this particular hook right now are bankrupt by contrast my client is stepping in to save this damaged asset investing already over 12 million dollars So I'm going to pass the mantle to Chip. He's going to cover one through three, then I'm going to pop back up and talk about the findings. So I'll give you to Chip Moore.

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CommentChip MooreProposedself-stated1:04:37

Good morning. My name is Chip Moore and I am the managing member of CAP Resolution Partners. We it's been a long road to get to actually this hearing date. This was our decision to get involved with this refinery dates all the way back to the process started back in 2022 when we first met with the planning department to discuss what, if any conditions we can satisfy to get their support for our ownership and operatorship of this refinery. At that time the refinery had been closed for over a year We knew Dave Fields, who had left as mentioned back in 2019 but had run the refinery for 18 months and was obviously extremely familiar with it.

So it's been a long road to get here we attempted to buy the refinery from And then it took another 18 months in bankruptcy to finally. What did we own at that point other than an abandoned asphalt refinery? And so now we have spent the better part of a year restoring the refinery with a large team of contractors, local contractors and with Dave and numerous members of the team that formerly ran the refinery.

That largely covers that slide. Many of these slides in this presentation were just covered by the Planning Department's presentation, so I'll move quickly through these. We all know where the refinery is located. Two-thirds of the finished product is asphalt. This refinery has has been in existence for 100 years. It is perfectly located because it's very close to the heavy oil producers locally and it's right on a rail line, okay? So logistics are very important in the road construction industry and so that's why this refinery operated continuously for almost 100 years up until its closure in 2021.

The actual refinery process It is really more of a distillation process. There's no hydrocracking going on here, this is really just low pressure heat the you know it runs three shifts. You only need a couple of operators per shift to actually operate this refinery there are numerous ancillary maintenance and support people involved We currently have 20, 25 employees on the payroll. About two-thirds of them are operators. They've all been through extensive training at this point and so we are rapidly approaching being ready to operate That's been covered.

Just a few points about the market for asphalt in California. California finds itself very short of asphalt supply. The state consumes about 40,000 barrels a day And in April, the Valero Benicia Refinery closed. They were the largest asphalt refinery in the whole state. They made 8000 barrels a day of asphalt but 20% of the market demand was satisfied from that refinery and it's closed.

So the opportunity here is for the Santa Maria Asphalt Refinery to step into the void and replace Can't replace all of it but can replace you know have to 2 thirds of that lap lost asphalt so that's. That's the goal. That's the market situation right now. For all for its entire history, it's played a key role in the Caltrans supply chain. The refinery was built in Santa Maria because the oil in Santa Maria happens to be the ideal feedstock for performance-grade asphalt. California has the highest performance standards for road asphalt in the country, and so not all asphalt works. The asphalt produced at this refinery does work and will work I'll also just point out the closed-loop logistics nature of this refinery where the heavy oil producers are nearby.

They pull in with their oil, it gets converted to asphalt 48 hours later, local road contractors drive in with their trucks or we load heated rail cars and send asphalt possibly to Sacramento and areas of this nature. So it's ideally located and the logistics were really well considered when this refinery was put in place. In terms of the economic impact to the community, as mentioned we currently have 25 people on staff. We're hiring more.

Those are permanent jobs. Many of the people working for us were displaced workers from the oil and gas sector which obviously has contracted considerably in California. We've hired dozens of local contractors have been on site for the past year. It's not going to even though the refinery restoration will be completed in September, we have many future projects upgrade projects that we're going to be doing over the next three years.

In addition a refinery like this has as a large annual maintenance requirements so what we're gonna keep the local contractors and suppliers busy which is obviously good for the economy. Here, as was addressed in the earlier presentation we had to pay all the delinquent property taxes and unpaid regulatory fees for you know, it was 14 years of property taxes and unpaid and several years of delinquent you know, delinquent fees to the county and to APCD and so forth. So those have all been satisfied at this point. So we've really tried to put our money where our mouth is and get caught up on all this stuff. And it's going to be a great little local business that will provide a long-term tax revenue stream to the county and to the local community.

Okay, environmental and community benefits. Yes as we know 90 you know most of the roads in California are made of asphalt. Now we've got a slide that follows this one that's going to get into some of this detail it starts to get to this GLG you know reductions and so forth because We have primary and secondary things to consider here so let's just kind of start initially with this restoration project we had we were.

They had these legacy steam boilers that were very inefficient from an emissions perspective. They've all been replaced with state-of-the-art LONOX boilers, the furnaces that heat the incoming crude oil. All the burners have been upgraded and replaced to best available control technology So David has the specifics, he'll talk if you'd like in a moment but I can tell you I happened to look at the APC table. They sent us a table of the emissions reductions and the SOx and NOx reductions associated with just those changes exceed 80%, 80% from where it was so that represents a very large obviously decrease there.

Then we go sort of outside the walls of the refinery to think about from a trucking perspective, what does this mean for the county? OK. So today all the Santa Maria Valley oil has to be trucked on 166 Route 166 over to the Pentland Depot, which is near Bakersfield. That's that's 100 miles each way almost. We will take all their oil. Every barrel of their oil, once this refinery opens can now come to us on average we're about 20 miles away from these refineries.

Thank you. I'm taking too long I see. All right and so that represents a very large reduction. We've tried to create a table here to show that for you. We took three representative We'll fields in the area looking at they can either go to Pentland Depot or they can go to Los Angeles. Those are the 2 options so they can drive, you know 200 miles round trip for 300 miles round trip or they can bring their oil to Santa Maria refinery which is 40 miles round trips that's approximately 80% reduction in trucking miles Given the amount, even at that's at 4300 barrels a day. That's 28 tanker trucks per day 365 days a year. That's about a million and a half truck miles that we can take off the roads as a result of refinery. And that's just for oil now what?

The numbers on the asphalt side are not that dissimilar. Asphalt's being trucked all over the place right now because of the lack of supply, it's very difficult and so we can darn near double the mileage off that way as well. So this ends my portion of the presentation.

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PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:15:15

Okay now to the findings. Finding one, that's simple. We paid the past fees we've paid actually over $850,000. The staff report said $650, but $850,000 so far and they've committed to pay all future fees. Second, financial guarantees. You're going from a defunct donor that had significant debt over $220 million of debt and now you have a capitalized company with no debt also with significant insurance coverage which Jack's talked about.

Next on the finding number three We have not only or my client is not only put in a certified letter that they will comply with all permit conditions, but they've gone through a significant effort with the county to update all the relative plans for this facility. And again, this plant cannot restart unless it's safe. There's currently a stop work order but it will be going through a new SIM quad audit and once it passes that audit, it can open which we hope will be next month.

And as far as again, Jack's covered this very well compliance with existing requirements on the transition plan. Of course there is no transition because there is no current operator but we have a restoration program. We've had full significant training of new hires. I'm going to talk a little bit about what we've seen in the last couple of weeks. And then I might get into one minute of my rebuttal so in short.

We'd like you to adopt staff's recommendation this new applicant is providing The current owner generator that's actually on the permit right now is a defunct entity. So please follow staff

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:17:49

Thank you.

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:17:50

We're here for questions

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:17:51

and I

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:17:52

have questions to cover things,

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:17:53

yes. And I'm going to ask my question first once when I already asked staff about is a quantification even if it's ballpark of the annual metric tons of GHGs admitted once this starts up again do you have that figure?

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:18:12

Well, I don't have a figure but I can give you qualitative analysis which tells you in essence that the GHG picture is much better with this and it doesn't make sense right? That starting up this asphalt plant actually improves GHG. Why is that? One, right now our local oil trucks as you know have to drive 100. Miles at least then they can drive 10 miles or so to this local refinery. Two, we need to import Asphalt here through heated real cars and trucks. Now, we will be able to have a local asphalt supply. So those are two big reductions in GHG plus what you heard Chip describing which is APCD also required various upgrades to our air quality scrubbers at the plant and so air quality in general maybe ironically will improve with the opening of this plant.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:19:12

Well, let me ask you about three. Another reduction and see if you agree with this. Oil that's local that's trucked off to Pentland goes into a system that ultimately refines a lot of that for gasoline usage and it's combusted and it leads to GHGs and perhaps climate change but I would think Oil that goes to this facility will go into asphalt because that's what it's for. It'll go into roads, it won't go into a combustion process. It will be in fact sequestering this local oil

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:19:55

That's a very clever point, you're correct. Asphalt is a carbon sink so it actually keeps the carbon and captures it instead of burning it. So you're correct now we're going to be able to from our local heavy oil sink it into asphalt which will be captured on our roads that even my Tesla needs to be able to drive on asphalt. So our electric cars also need asphalt. It's an important commodity in this state.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:20:20

Okay so who can I ask on your team for the GHG It'll be Mr. Fields, I thought it would be.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:20:29

Thank you Chair Guy and the rest of the Commission. So 15 metric tons is the annual emissions from the fired equipment that as Chip pointed out we had to upgrade. We're actually setting a new standard in Santa Barbara County for emissions limits under best available control technology Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:21:13

And that's the annual amount?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:21:14

That's the annual amount, yes.

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:21:16

I might just point out for other commission members who weren't at the Cat Canyon hearings because none of you were we were looking at that time of the three projects together of generating in the nature of 300,000 annual metric tons. So this figure is I mean, I don't mean to belittle any amount but it's such an incredibly small amount compared to anything else we've seen in this whole endeavor.

Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:21:51

I can address the lead, too.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:21:55

I have a question relative to what you just spoke about the 15 metric tons is that created by the burning of natural gas in order to heat up during the process or is it generated by any other avenues?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:22:13

It's predominantly overwhelmingly burning PUC natural gas we have three new boilers and we've got Seven heaters that predominantly burn PUC gas.

CommentAaron Briggs I'mProposedself-stated1:22:28

Okay, thank you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:22:34

Commissioner Martinez. Thank you, Chair. You were just going to answer the question in regards to the lead contamination area?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:22:40

Yeah there's a old it's an area towards the east end of the refinery where Conoco had done some sandblasting of stuff with lead paint and they remediated it and they retained the liability that when the transfer from Conoco to Saba I want to say early 90's. And I can share, we have an environmental site assessment that has a section on that that I can actually share.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:08

Okay so right now as we speak ConocoPhillips is the responsible party for that

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:23:13

area? It's been remediated too. They dug it up and put a bunch of dirt on top of it and fill material.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:22

Now I have a few more questions and maybe you can answer them, and maybe other people on your team can answer them. Greca? Yes. Okay no more affiliation with it correct? No more affiliation with it. I heard one person may be the which was there for a year-and-a-half. That was me. Okay that was you that's now still going to be involved in but the same people who are making the decisions and principles as to what ultimately led to They're not involved, correct? Correct. Okay.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:23:54

I wouldn't be here if they were

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:23:55

okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:23:57

and not to mention a number of the staff and a number of other folks have made very clear that that was not that was the condition of

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:24:07

well, that's good to hear

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:24:18

So it's really the SSRRC, and I always mess up what the initials stand for. But as Jack said, it's P&D, the fire department, ABCD, building safety. They come out and they spend a day just You know, we start out in the morning going through all the plans. So if you go back to the one slide that well, we both had slides with, you know, all the various plans so we'll go through all the plans they'll check the plans are gonna check like our that were correctly manifesting hazardous waste and hazardous material in and out of the refinery, you know that we've got your correctly inventory and stuff like that and then they do a big walkthrough some of it's stuff's not painted, you know or lights aren't fixed up to like there was some of the more major stuff like there might be like an electrical safety hazard type of stuff.

So we end up with about 10 to 15 people from different departments all members of the SSRC under that umbrella and they give us a big punch list I think there's three I'm not 100% certainly there's like three categories Degrees of severity and you know, there's like level one which has to be addressed within 48 or 72 hours. Level two you have 30 days in level three I think you have 90 days.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:25:30

So through that process, is that where there's actual inspections of the tanks? I mean we see pictures. There's tanks there. There's some infrastructure there so that's going to be inspected and assured that it's in a condition that can be used in an operational capacity correct?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:25:47

I would say sort of and the reason why I say sort of is You know, we've been on site now for a little over a year and I would say like the first four to six months was serious inspection. The direction from the SSRRC committee was basically inspect everything. So all the tanks, vessels, towers, exchangers we spent six months inspecting everything. And basically since October-November we've been fixing all the problems we found, you know, all the legacy problems we found.

Those inspection reports then get submitted to Planning Development and the SSRRC Committee for review. And so part of that process which is, the reason I say sort of is because it's much more involved than just the audit but part of that process You know they'll look at the inspections and they'll verify that you know you inspection says fix ABCD and that we fix ABCD.

The inspector will, you know also do that and then they'll give us a return to service letter. The SSRC committee in the Planning Development Department will verify that all before we start up.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:26:50

And I want to make sure that you and so the public knows in regards to why ask that question is because I have been asked and inquired of as well. Okay, we have a facility which has been sitting there and as anything you have metal it's going to have corrosive and that's being addressed and that has been addressed before operations begin? Yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:27:10

It's in progress yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:27:11

Okay now you mentioned that at least I heard somebody say that you guys have some projects over the next three years what are those projects that were talking about?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:27:19

Largely so we have see 117,000 barrels of crude oil tankage and like 200,000 barrels of finished product tankage. So most of the year two year three is is really upgrading the rest of the tankage you know there's some other you know some other projects around Upgrading or replacing exchangers and whatnot, but the overwhelming majority of it is. If you went back to the picture, the overhead picture, it's like, you know, the refinery itself has a little footprint. It's like an acre surrounded by 15 acres of tanks. It really, you know, inspecting, repairing, upgrading the remaining tankages, the bulk of the remaining work.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:00

Now as for the insurance, we've heard $7 million then it's going to go up to like $20 million once you're in operation. What kind of insurance are we talking about? Are we just talking premise liability insurance or contamination insurance?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:28:12

Yes both.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:13

Both?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:28:13

Liability, pollution, potentially business interruption but yes.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:28:20

Okay and then I see a lot of mention of local contractors and I'm going to say this out loud. And maybe some flak back from people in the Central Valley, but Bakersfield has made their line and said this is our area just as much as they don't like us going over there. Let's look about over here now in the local contractors. What kind of local contractors are we talking about utilizing them in the operations?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:28:45

Yeah, I mean our what I call our general contractor and he's out of Nipomo and all of the you know as uh I think Beth and Chip both pointed out you know most of our the people actually turning the wrenches are displaced local displaced oil field workers folks that were working out in the oil fields A year ago, two years ago five years ago whatever and now they're in the refinery turning wrenches.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:29:07

Okay but local trucking companies are we talking about here too? Yes. Okay so I saw the map which kind of gave me this idea of asking this question and my question is what market area are we talking about here well now we know it we're talking about okay now the oil is not going to be going over to Bakersfield or to be whatever they do with it over there doesn't matter to me But now we're going to do something here in our valley.

So what market area are we talking about where the asphalt is going to be utilized, at least in your projection? I mean it can't be

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:29:39

100%. Because of like asphalt has to travel at temperature, we tend to ship it out at 350 degrees or higher so that kind of creates a You know an arc so to speak and actually gives us a bit of a you know natural monopoly within that arc so you know we go as far south really into Ventura County is far east. We did go it's in the Bakersfield and as far north up into kind of not quite Sacramento but you know primarily you know where You know, there's a plant in Buelton we support. There's a plant in Templeton we support. There's one over in Arvin so it kind of you know the local stuff is the core and then we had some ancillary stuff that went as far as as I said Ventura and Bakersfield not quite Sacramento to the north.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:30:29

So the market projection is predominantly the local stuff?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:30:32

Yes California.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:30:33

California okay

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:30:34

yeah and like and one of the things We're going to be in trouble. But you know, it's sort of local. It's I say local crude local asphalt. That's our plan. Yeah, that's a terrible story about the nation and I heard they're

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UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:16

Those are all the questions I have for right now. Thank you.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:31:19

We'll get more we were out there.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:31:21

I probably will

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:31:22

like having visitors to show and tell

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:31:24

okay Commissioner Ford,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:31:26

thank you. I appreciate all of the discussion and descriptions of what has been done so far. I see you're looking at a mid-September restart and I wonder if there are any what are some things that have to happen in order to restart in September?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:31:43

Yeah, I mean the big one is we have to we're building a new fire water tank. You know the planning developments envoy so to speak on site and say you know that's the most important tank in the facility right because it you know we are for the permit requires us to have a 24,000 barrel Firewater tank. So we're building a new ones that's probably what sets are actually start we're still in the process. I think about 75 to 80% done with clearing the stop work orders have maybe something like 6 and 10, you know check items. We have most of them done right now, so that's probably the second thing is getting those done and then you know we are in the process of almost done updating the fire protection plan, emergency response plan.

They're not going to let us start without those done. We actually have a fire protection engineer on site this afternoon which is the last big step on those ones. As far as maintenance it's going to be the fire water tank is what's gonna set it. Most of the rest of stuff we're starting You know, if you were starting to put everything back together. The list is getting shorter finally after a year.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed1:32:53

Thanks.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:32:54

Certainly.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:32:56

I have one last question of the asphalt that you plan to produce at this facility how much of it is anticipated to be used locally in Santa Barbara County versus what would be used outside of Santa Barbara County?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:33:12

Probably like 30-40% but to a certain extent it's fungible, right? Because we can send to one of our former customers, you'd send it to his plant in Templeton and then he'd bring it back into Santa Barbara County. You know, and same with one of them where you'd send it into Arvin and it might come back into Santa Barbara County. But within Santa Barbara County there's three particular plants that we used to supply that was about 30-40% of our production. Now there's also about 3 or 4 other plants that we didn't supply that we hope to bring them on as customers so I'd say the 30% is probably a floor if we just go back to who we historically supplied 5-10 years ago.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:33:54

Okay, thank you. Any other questions from commissioners?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 9Proposed1:34:01

Thank you all.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:34:02

Okay, thank you.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:34:15

So Mr. Chair and guests this is when we would typically open public comment We don't have any speakers online. I do have one speaker slip if anyone else would like to speak submit your slip now, but before we get to public comment, we do have one small administrative item to take care of and that is we received a letter towards the end of the day yesterday that exceeded a page in length that was submitted after your deadline so we typically do this before public comment in case the Commission Ops not included in the record so if they are present, they can provide their comments verbally.

And so the email that I'm talking about is from Scott Metcalfe. Came in a little after 4 yesterday afternoon. So the rules for the Commission is that for inclusion in the record because it came in after the deadline and because it's more than a page in length, we require fourth fits vote to do that so if the commission would like for that to be included into the record someone have to make motion we'd have to have a second and then four of the five would have to say yes on that

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:35:30

Okay, anybody interested in making the motion?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:35:40

To consider it. So the motion would be to if you so it's not part of the record currently so the vote if you wanted for it to become part of the record you'd have to make a motion to include it. Well I'm not going to make that motion

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed1:35:54

no

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:35:59

No. Okay, the answer is no. Okay and so the reason why we do that now is because if he's present he can speak, he can share his comments verbally. Okay thank you very much

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:36:10

I do have a request though because it's nigh on to 1030 and I think we ought to take a break

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:36:19

okay I agree this is a nice time to take a break So I guess we normally take a five or ten minute break?

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction1:36:27

We say 10 minutes and then it's a miracle when people come back in but you always

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:36:32

try. Okay, then we will take a 10 minute break. Thank you Returning from our break, at this point in time we are going to open for public comment.

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:48:16

Thank you Mr. Chair I do have one speaker slip if anyone else has a slip go ahead and turn it in now. If not so our first I'm sorry we do have someone online as well now but our first in-person speaker is Mary Hayden to be followed by our online speaker Roy Reed Mr. Chair, before we start we should just indicate to our speakers how much time we're going to give them.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:48:44

Okay each speaker will be given three minutes to speak this morning. Thank you

CommentMary Hayden I'mProposedself-stated1:48:50

Good morning Chairman Guy and Commissioners. My name is Mary Hayden I'm a co-owner, co-manager of the Ted Chamberlain Ranch which is a beef cattle ranch in the Santa Ana Valley that has been in my family since 1929 Part of our property overlies the Zaca oil field and we've had a consistent lease there since 1942 I will say my generation, although we've definitely benefited from the royalties are conflicted in terms of greenhouse gases and just general admissions but I'll get to that in a bit.

So the oil entity that we own is called Chamberlain Oil and the current pumping operator is PCEC And I have not talked to them, so I do not know what their position on this is at all. Nor have I spoken to the folks here CAP Resolution Partners LLC. So I do not know what their position is in terms of using local although it does sound like they're interested in local oil.

Like you Mr. Martinez, I'm hugely concerned about Greca being a part of this and we've gone through the Greca years and it was awful on many many levels. I was a little confused with the initial presentation that said CAP well it went from Greca to CAP and then CAP So I was a little concerned that CAP may still have something to do with GRECA. or Cat Canyon, or whatever name. But very very specifically if Mr. Randy Grewal has anything to do with this I ask you to not approve this and I also know he's a very clever businessman and so if it's an umbrella over an umbrella over an umbrella entity again please do your homework and make sure this gentleman has absolutely nothing to do with it If he does not have anything to do with it, I in general fully support the opening of the asphalt refinery.

I do personally believe it's the best use of our locally produced oil especially due to the thickness of the oil produced in the Zaca oil field and again this is where our conflict with environmental concerns can be remedied Remedied in the use of our oil as asphalt and not as combustible oil for gas driven cars or whatever. And for all the other reasons that Mr. Moore and Mr. Park said today.

Yeah, I think it's a great opportunity for us in general as long as Mr. Andeep Guril has nothing to do with it. Thank you.

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UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:52:09

Thank you. Our next speaker will be Roy Reed.

CommentMary Hayden I'mProposedself-stated1:52:19

A great opportunity. Hello? Hello,

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:52:23

can you hear me?

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:52:25

Mr. Reed, yes you might if you have the hearing running in the background you might want to just hit mute before you

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 10Proposed1:52:30

start. Okay how is that? The reason I'm responding to this it's you know this has been for many years an important part of the local economy until it ultimately folded and has a number of benefits Obviously, it provides a marketplace for local oil producers and the secondary benefit of that has also been covered. It actually reduces vehicle miles traveled for trucks that now necessarily have to go over 166 as far as Bakersfield. And we have consistently heard concern from the environmental community Over truck transport over 166 with in their view the attendant hazards of accidents, stream pollution etc.

This plant when in operation would substantially eliminate that over-the-road transport thereby eliminating that element of greenhouse gas and it will again reiterate Commissioner Park's comments By allowing local oil to be converted to asphalt, you're effectively sequestering those hydrocarbons permanently and by eliminating The possibility that they will enter the atmosphere if they were used as motor fuel. So I think this has significant advantages for the local community, the local economy and local producers and also meets to reduce carbon emissions into the atmosphere. So I think it's a very attractive proposal. One final concern, however, I think people need to focus on the fact that this is the item today is a transfer of ownership.

It is essentially an administrative procedure. It is not an operating permit. I know there's been mention of the ultimate goal of beginning to operate that plant in September or beyond that. But, you know, I would ask the commissioners to please keep in mind that is a separate process and those approvals will be addressed separately. I would just ask that you all focus on the matter that lies before you today which is mainly administrative and ownership Transfer that will ultimately pave the way for other things, but please focus on what lies before you and hopefully you will be confident.

And able to make what I think is the reasonable and correct judgment and approve this so thank you very much.

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ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:55:39

Thank you.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:55:43

So seeing no additional people rise from the audience, Mr.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:55:48

Reed was our last speaker on that item. Okay then we will go ahead and close the public comment session and we will move on to the rebuttals.

PresenterBeth CollinsSanta Maria Road MaterialsProposedself-stated1:56:02

Thank you chair commissioners so in essence what you have before you is a in my estimation a no-brainer You have a current owner, operator and guarantor on these county permits that has an abhorrent record which resulted in the plant accruing several violations after significant deferred maintenance and neglect. And the entity is now bankrupt. Now you have a viable well-financed capable experienced owner Who has already invested significantly, collaborated effectively with all the regulators to bring this facility back to life.

This is quite obviously a superior owner, operator and guarantor. And I can guarantee to you thank you for your comments they have nothing to do with the prior owner Randy or Greta that's not a part of this applicant so finally and maybe perversely if you don't adopt the staff recommendation Thank you so much for the really. I would say elevated discussion today and all the questions and we appreciate your time

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:57:40

So you can always, you can ask staff if they have anything to add.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:57:45

Okay I would like to ask staff if they have, if you have anything else to add?

CommentAaron Briggs I'mProposedself-stated1:57:52

Nothing to add but happy to answer any questions.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:58:02

I don't see any questions. Any further questions okay

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role1:58:08

And then so you just at this point I think the Commission should begin deliberations. Okay,

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.951:58:13

let's begin deliberations Commissioner Mayor Connor

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 1Proposed1:58:20

Thank you This is a both straightforward and I think easy decision for us for the reasons explained by both staff and the applicant The status quo with a facility that was both broken and abandoned is simply not acceptable and shouldn't be acceptable. The ability to bring it back and make it both physically and economically productive seems to me to be one that we should be encouraging The idea that the trips by truck to take locally produced oil and move it over to Bakersfield, which can then be avoided is a good reason to say yes.

The trips by truck to bring completed asphalt here for road construction and other purposes which can be avoided is a reason to say yes Using locally produced oil for this purpose to sequester the potential emissions from that oil rather than convert it into gasoline or other fuel to be used and producing more GHGs is a reason to say yes. And looking at the entire record in the presentation of both the applicant and the staff convinces me that there is no reason at all to say no, and so I will be supporting the staff recommendation. Thank you.

Thank you. Commissioner

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:00:08

Park?

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction2:00:12

You know usually I want to hear first from the Planning Commissioner in whose district a project lies. That's always tricky if you're the chair because you don't know whether you want to go last or first because it's your district. And I would certainly defer to you if, if you want to speak to your attitude about the project. But I think I already know what your attitude is because I spent a lot of hours with you on this and I think it's a very positive one so I'm ready to speak to what I have to speak with but if you want to go before I do that's fine too.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:00:47

No please go ahead Commissioner Park

CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction2:00:49

Okay You know every once in awhile we get a project That strikes me as incredibly important and it's because of the unique role that the project plays in our local economy. And an example of that, was it last year or was it this year? Was Plantel which has nothing to do with oil but Plantel is the only provider of small vegetative or vegetable plantings that every vegetable grower uses. So you have to have Plantel or it really changes the county and we've had other things like that. This is like that. is an incredibly important project. I'm going to give four simple reasons why they basically echo Commissioner Mary Connors.

It's a It's a supply for local asphalt. We use asphalt, we always use asphalt. We have to import it now from all over the place and I think some of it comes from Colorado and Arizona. And I mean, it's incredible that we're bringing asphalt in when we have stuff that when you take it out of the ground basically is asphalt and it's right here. So it's a supply for that local asphalt. We need it. We absolutely need it. And by we, I mean our road departments are municipal agencies. Others, we just all need it.

It absorbs the local oil. That's my second point. I think our local oil, I'm not talking about the offshore stuff is around 10,000 barrels and this uses it and it's a perfect match As Commissioner Maricona pointed out, that means we're not trucking in asphalt and we're not trucking out local oil. So it's talk about a win-win the location is really important as well.

We had an oil project last year that had some issues on the trucking routes. And, and one thing it was going to do was run the trucks all the way up Broadway essentially make a right turn on Better Ravia and get on 101 and go to Coalinga. You know I'm not picking on that because I think that could be resuscitated in it now that we have this because Now that same project would go up one a ways and then veer off to the left, and take local roads that are appropriate for this right to that refinery.

And it just solves so many problems that way. And I could go through every oil production site and point to the same thing. So it's a perfect location. And something that is very important to me, and I'm glad that Mary Hayden is here and commented This will be a benign customer. for oil from our local oil field owners like the Chamberlain Ranch and others that are committed to staying in agriculture. When they stay in agriculture, what do they do for the rest of us? They provide the external benefit of fabulous view sheds, watersheds.

Probably most important these days is properties like the Chamberlain Ranch and others are tremendous carbon sinks. They probably do more to combat Climate change and anything we deliberately try to do in this county. And so, we have to help these owners out and you know by the time they write their insurance premium check and their property taxes it's kind of hard to make any money in agriculture especially in ranching. So Their own production is really important to them. It's important to the county to keep it that way, and so here we have a benign customer for that. Why do I say benign? I've said it twice now because it's like Commissioner Mary Connor pointed out. That oil will be sequestered in roads instead of burned as gasoline and that couldn't be any more benign in that industry.

I've got to say one thing here that kind of excites me It's the courage of the applicant because, you know I spent 50 years representing businesses and other things in litigation. And to see somebody who goes and deals with an entity and an individual with the reputation that their predecessors had. I'm trying to be diplomatic. And deals with them in bankruptcy and buying their debt I don't know how you go to your investors and say, hey would you like to give me several million dollars so I can deal with the person of this reputation acquire their assets and restart something that's going to take us $20 million of additional investment to do. Will you hand over your money? I mean, but you did it and you're doing it. I really admire that.

And I always try to take my personal admiration or excitements and turn into something relevant to say. And that is that In the period, in this era of uncertainty we have about what's going to happen to local oil production for someone to do this and step in and create such a beneficial use for the county is really it's really something special. And I appreciate that. I think we all appreciate it.

I think that something that we should consider and I hope staff is listening on this is that When we get into the issue of phase out of production, which is going to take a lot of time in the next few years just discussing it that there. We look at the idea of allowing a much longer period of amortization or even exemption for asphalt facilities like this as compared to other oil production because they're going to absorb our local inland production or most of it and I think they should have longer time to do all the good things they're doing.

Just an idea. Obviously, I support this and I appreciate everybody's diplomatic treatment of Mr. Gruhl and Gregg. I'm kind of surprised that everybody could do that today. Thank you.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:07:31

Thank you Commissioner Park. Commissioner Ford?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:07:35

Thanks so much. I agree with my colleagues, so I won't belabor any point just understand that I think the report has been comprehensive and the assurances regarding compliance regulation give me nothing but optimism and confidence. So I too support this change of owner.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:07:57

Thank you Commissioner Ford. Commissioner Martinez?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:08:00

I would completely agree with my fellow commissioners in their comments. This is a viable project, turning something that is defunct into something that will actually help the local community and I appreciate the responses that I received regarding the insurance. I hope people realize that having insurance is much better than having a blanket bond, which goes to every single thing that's out there that could be claimed against it.

That's where my questions were focused on those things and I will make A statement that I know people who own property around these things and they've had no objection. And basically we have a situation where this production facility would be in harmony with what is surrounding it, and I would be in full support of it.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:08:47

Thank you Commissioner Martinez. Okay, I have a few comments. The first one I'd like to bring is I want to start off with the report that was prepared by Santa Barbara County Planning and Development Lots of pages, lots of information. No but let me tell you I so much appreciate the information because by the time I was done reading the report I didn't have any other questions. So I want to compliment the staff. You did an amazing job. So prior to coming in here I had the information I was I had most of my questions answered and I really appreciate that. So thank you.

Next item is locally produced asphalt, locally consumed asphalt. The key to me is keeping things local. I really appreciate the efforts that we put forth in order to keep revenues local, in order to keep taxes local and in order to keep the jobs local and I did get to ask the team when we were out there about the local employment. I really appreciate that so I ask you all to continue to keep things local The reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, the other commissioner spoke about that. I appreciate the fact that Commissioner Park brought that subject up when we did the site tour.

I had not been thinking about the comparison and thank you Commissioner Park for helping to get me aligned and understanding that portion of it. And then The cost of the material should go down. So I'm thinking how this is going to save our local cities, our county and even the state with all the work that we've got going on here with you producing the asphalt here locally, the costs should go down. I sure hope that we get to see a reduction in cost across the board especially in Santa Barbara County so thank you.

So at this point I believe we open it up for No further discussion, so would anybody care to make the motion? There is. Oh sorry Commissioner

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CommentPentland DepotProposed · by introduction2:10:48

Park. I forgot an item and I do want to emphasize it. You heard from the applicant about their replacement of the boilers okay and that may not sound like a big deal it is a big deal At Los Flores Canyon, the biggest emitter of GHGs is are the old boilers. Okay? These boilers create steam. Steam is used to run facilities. Steam is used for cyclic steaming injections, used for a lot of things in oil modern oil fields at Cat Canyon that was going to be the emitter, the greatest emitter there even more than trucking by far was the old boilers. So to go in and replace them all and get those 80% reductions, they deserve attention for that.

And then again goes to why I think that it doesn't just impress me personally. It shows that this is somebody who is going to operate well and is trying to do things that are good for them and good for the rest of us.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:11:55

Thank you Commissioner Park Commissioner Martinez any further comments before we go.

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 7Proposed2:12:01

No, I was going to venture into making the motion okay and I would make the motion of accepting the staff recommendations to make the required findings attachment a note. It's in our staff, but it's not up there. But I guess that's an attachment name to determine the request or not a project pursuant to sequel which is attachment C and 3 approve the change of owner operator and guarantor on the Santa Maria asphalt refinery development plan permit number 95 dash DP dash 001 and adopt conditions of approval for the attachment beam. That would be my motion.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:12:41

Is there a second Okay, all in favor? Aye. Do we need to do a roll call vote or just Sorry.

UnidentifiedClerk of the BoardProposed · by role2:12:56

So the only time we're going to be required to do roll call vote is if we have like a split commission someone's remote perhaps, but it says at the Commission's discretion sometimes the chair does like to to do roll call vote if

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:13:12

there's a split okay? There's no split so the motion passes 5-0

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:13:26

Adjourned.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:13:27

Okay, is there any reason why the meeting should not be adjourned?

UnidentifiedUnidentified speaker 3Proposed2:13:32

No.

ElectedBob NelsonSupervisorProposedvoiceprint 0.952:13:33

Okay so meeting adjourned.