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OK, shall we move on to the agenda status report?
Chair and commissioners, in regards to the status of our agenda we have two items on the standard agenda. The first one is a workshop for the ministerial streamlining amendments ordinances, ordinance amendments. And then the second item is the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plans Regulation Amendments. Staff is here and ready to present on those items today.
I can be the projection board Mr. Chair if you like? Looking at the calendar for the rest of the year, because we made some adjustments to prior hearings in regards to allowing the Montecito Planning Commission to review and take action on the ministerial streamlining amendments and make recommendations to the County Planning Commission. We will not meet again until October 28th. First.
October 21st. I stand corrected, I sit corrected. On that day there's two items and that will be here in Santa Barbara on October 21st we have the Government Code Conformity Determination and then we have the first hearing of the Ministerial Streamlining Amendments and that will be for the ability for the Commission to take action on. In the event that we don't finish it on that date we will reconvene on October 28th And then we still have the ministerial streamlining amendments scheduled for that date in case we need it. And then we also have three projects from development review, which is a revision of the Grand Hotel.
We have a development plan for Sabato-Tardy housing development in Isla Vista. And then we have the ministerial subdivisions lot line adjustments ordinance amendments as well. So that is on October 28th. So that is going to be a busy day. And then after the 28th, we will and that'll be here in Santa Barbara. On November 4th, we have the hearing on the Recreation Master Plan amendments.
And then we also have a government code conformity determination on that hearing as well which is typically a consent item. We are holding any other items for that hearing so we could have that day for the Recreation Master Plan amendments. And then after November 4th we don't meet again until December 2nd due to holidays in November. December 2nd, we have three items.
We have agendized or projected for the recreation master plan to go again on December 2nd. And then we have a couple other items from long-range planning which is a moderate income density bonus and then a multifamily housing project. There may be some agenda management that needs to happen towards end of the year because we have being projected, so we'll do what we can. And when we get to the end of the day, we might have to move items to other hearing dates depending on time allotments.
December 9th will be in Santa Maria with a telecommunications facility and then we have a couple projects in the Orchid area, the personal storage project and then the Keysight One project That will close us out for this year. And I think we had potentially looked at a date for our annual planning commission holiday luncheon, and that would be on December 16th potentially.
It's not in the projection report because there's no action needed other than to show up and eat, but we're targeting that date, December 16th as the annual Montecito County Planning Commission Other appointed, we have invited BAR members to attend as well. So December 16th, it seems like a long ways out but we have a busy end of the year so it's going to go fast.
That concludes the projection report Mr. Chair. CHRIS RODGERS.
Thank you very much. Next is public comment. Mr. Villalobos would you like me to read that or would you care to read it? OK, public comment period is set aside to allow public testimony on items not on today's agenda. The time allocated to each speaker will be set at the discretion of the chair. Total time allocated for public comment is 15 minutes when testifying before the Planning Commission personal attacks and other disruptive behavior are not appropriate.
Do we have any requests for public comment?
No physical speaker slips. We do have some members of the public online. If you'd like to speak on general public comment, raise your virtual hand and I'll call on you. No hands raised.
OK. Thank you Mr. Villalobos. Next is planning commissioners informal reports. Individual commissioners may present brief reports on planning issues such as seminars meetings and literature that will be of interest to the public and or Commission as a whole Mr.
Chair?
Yes, Commissioner Mary Connor?
I was delighted this year to attend my first farm day Saturday 10 days ago and I have to say it was everything that was advertised to me by the people who recommended that I go. It was both educational and engaging, and to see the efforts being made and the creativity being shown to engage high school students and college students in careers in agriculture It was very encouraging and very heartening. So I want to just express my appreciation to the people who organize that on an annual basis. I spent some time with the executive director of the group that puts it on, and they do an extraordinary job. So, I had a great time and I learned
a great deal. Outstanding. Thank you Commissioner Mary Connor. Commissioner Park?
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Well, last week I attended the opening day of the RCRC conference that was held here in Santa Barbara and that's the rural counties representatives of California. And the reason I attended that is because I was on the first panel and it was about tourism in California I had two excellent young lady speakers that went first and they had me fill the time that was left.
They knew I would do that, and did speak to our AEO, Ag Enterprise Ordinance in the rec master plan things we've been doing. And then I figured well here I had an audience not just of five members of a board of supervisors but several hundred of them So I gave them 12 rules of how to get an ordinance through the system that deals with this. And they loved it, I had a great time.
I wanted to speak to this though because when it was all done we basically got a standing ovation. They said you gotta take this on the road but Various supervisors got up and they asked great questions. But I wanted to pass on what one of them, I think it was a gentleman from Humboldt County. He said he wanted to specifically thank our leadership in Santa Barbara County for Doing the things we're doing with the AEO and the Wreck Master Plan. And what a wonderful example it sets for other coastal counties all up and down the state of California, so I thought you should hear that because you deserve it.
By the way, if anybody ever sits on a panel this one was sort of a luxury experience. They you know it's at the Hilton and they asked me well would I want to sit at a table? And I said I hate sitting in tables so what I would like to be the podium. I said I don't want to share a microphone with three or four people who mill around. So what they set up for me was on their stage a crescent of easy chairs And if you ever are in a panel, that's the way to go because you can just kind of sit back and you're looking at your other speakers like this and that. And then it makes these young women who were so nervous more comfortable because I was just right there almost holding their hand. And it was just a great time. It's just like being at a cocktail party for what it's worth.
But it was a lot of fun, good thing. And I totally missed the other conference that was going on at the same time in the Ag Tourism Summit. I had to finish painting my fence but whatever. OK, I'm done. CHRIS JERRAM
Thank you Commissioner Park. I guess there's no other comments. We'll move on to the minutes from the September 9th meeting. Move approval of the minutes. All in favor? Aye. None opposed? Motion carries 4-0. Okay, Director's Report and Board of Supervisors Hearing Summary.
Good afternoon Mr. Chair and members of the Commission I am very happy to hear that Commissioner Americana went to Farm Day it's always a really great experience I could not make it this year because I had terrible sinusitis. But, I had planned to go so I'm glad that somebody from the commission, I don't know if you were there Commissioner Guy but...
I've been there in the past
but I was not at this one. Yeah they're very educational and it just gives you a flavor of what life is like for somebody who's involved in commercial agriculture and that's a really important perspective because Primary economic drivers in our county And so I always I was really enjoy it and I always feel very enlightened when I Participate, so I encourage others to attend. I know Commissioner Park often goes but wasn't maybe not able to this year So, in terms of recent board actions I will say that the board acted upon the oil and gas ordinance amendments which will prohibit the drilling of new wells.
That was on the 15th of September. And then on the 22nd of September, we went back to extend the moratorium for retail firearm stores in order to give the department enough time to come back with an ordinance package to set some standards for where they can be located and protect sensitive receptors. And they also took action on the airport land use plan consistency amendments. So that was good to finally get that through and adopted.
And then future board items that we have coming include Constellation project, which was something that was heard by this Commission some time ago and that is a hotel and residential development in Vandenberg Village. That's going to go on the 10th of November And then we have the Malkin general plan amendment rezone and lot line adjustment Which I think is in the first district so it would have been an NPC case and that's also going on the 10 and then The item that you're hearing today, the two items that you're hearing today are expected to go to the board on December 8th.
And I think that covers the board actions. And I'm going to stay because I'm going to make some introductory comments to the ministerial ordinance package.
CHRIS JERRAM Thank you, Director Bellman. We appreciate your update. OK so now we're moving on to the standard agenda.
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Thank you Mr. Chair. The County Planning Commission will conduct a workshop on ministerial streamlining amendments and will receive and file report from the planning and development department regarding proposed amendments to the county land use and development code, and coastal zoning ordinance related to ministerial permitting and streamlining. Provide feedback to staff regarding the proposed amendments and determine that the recommended actions are not a project that is subject to environmental review under the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to CEQA Guidelines Section 15378B5
So I wanted to start off this afternoon's hearing with just a little bit of background for the commission. When I was originally hired in this position in 2019, in discussions with the Board of Supervisors they made it very clear that they wanted to simplify our process where feasible. To make easy things easy and keep the complex things in a more complex process.
So, in 2022 the board gave the Division for Long-Range Planning additional staff and we came up with a three phased process and program for streamlining our ordinances. And the first phase was this technical kind of updates that we did which related to the outdoor lighting and signs Kind of simplifying it and making it consistent across our codes the sign regulations doing a similar thing and then Addressing our shopping center zone, which was defunct and very old and out-of-date. And so we removed that And then in phase two We had a lot of work to do To bring our zoning code to a more modern state with respect to our multifamily housing zone districts and our commercial zone districts so that we could accommodate the housing that's mandated by the state through our RHNA allocation process.
And so, we made a number of changes to those areas of the code and we did a lot of other standardization removing redundant language and simplifying procedures where we could And that was last year that that program was adopted, those changes. And we are now on our third and final phase and this was one of the issues that the board was most I would say passionate about and that is creating more truly ministerial permit types We are a county that's a bit of an outlier. We are unusual in that almost every, well pretty much every permit we issue unless it's a zoning clearance is appealable and it goes to the Planning Commission and then to the board.
Lots of other jurisdictions most other jurisdictions do not have that process they have certain permit types that cannot be appealed and those things tend to be additions to a house Fences over a certain height, small single-family homes and not even in some jurisdictions it doesn't matter how big your single family home is. It's a ministerial permit. So we are attempting to bring forward amendments that are in line with what the board had asked for.
We did go to the board in May of this year on May 12th and I'm—we're going to send out a link to that hearing so The commissioners can watch it if you care to, to hear what the board's direction was. So we took this package and went to a briefing with them to make sure that we were on the right track. And the board gave us feedback and the package that you have before you today is a result of that feedback. And the feedback generally was I would say make the simple thing simple so they do want to increase the number of ministerial permits that don't require noticing and are not appealable.
And they want to try and make it as consistent as possible throughout the county we recognize there are some areas that maybe there's greater sensitivities and so there is there are some Small adjustments were making in those areas to try and address the concerns, but that by those communities And you'll see that today in the presentation when they don't talk a little bit about that But one of the issues I think that has been an ongoing issue that's nagged the department and I think been Hindered our process is having so many community plans addressing the same kinds of things, but all the policies are slightly different. Or the requirements in Article 2, the Coastal Zoning Ordinance and the Inland Zoning Ordinance are slightly different.
versus the Montecito zoning ordinance. So our goal is to try and make sure that whatever comes out of this process is as uniform, as reasonable and as possible so I think that was the general message Again, they did say you know there are some particular areas that might want more design review or want something slightly different. But I think that was the general message and I definitely encourage you to watch that hearing if you want to get a real sense of what the board was talking about but I think this is this is a really important change for our county and I think it's It will make our process simpler for people who are coming through and trying to do something that should be simple.
It'll be hopefully less expensive, that's part of the objective too is that it would take less time to process some of these permits. And so those are my introductory comments. I'm happy to answer any questions, and we have Ben Singer here today, Martha Miller who's been our consultant throughout much of this process, and Alex Tuttle, our deputy director. But before I turn it over, if you have questions for me, I'm happy to answer them.
CHRIS JERRAMICKI. I think Commissioner Park has some questions. COMMISSIONER
MARK PARKER. I do, and I think this is a better question for you before we get into the details. You know, this process makes me feel triumphant. OK? Because as you know I'm constantly concerned of what's the reputation of our whole planning process with our constituents and it's gone up and down. And when I talk to folks one thing they complain about the most is there's so much discretionary action And what we do, there's a CUP for everything.
Mr. Wilson and I were involved in hearing about one where somebody was going to get certain things by right under the AEO but the interpretation was that arose later that the road of a couple hundred feet that was already there as an ag road but needed more road base to satisfy the fire department They were now going to have to get a CUP for that. And we have that riddling our whole zoning ordinance.
We have more boxes that say CUP than probably the other 57 counties in the state, and it's sort of a lazy man's out because it just means you don't have to have development standards. You don't have to do this and that. But as you know that are experienced in this, the amount of supervision that it takes If you have the time to supervise a middle level planner who then supervises the junior planners and you're doing a CUP, it's a nightmare. So this process that you're completing right now, the reason I'm triumphant about it is you're dealing with that in a very meaningful way.
It's something that if the public understood it, they would be celebrating. So that's my question. What kind of post-adoption outreach will we have to get the word out that this really very important major change has been made?
Thank you Commissioner Park through the chair. I think that's an excellent question. do outreach after a major change like this, we will definitely be doing press releases and sharing information that way. But it does your question I think can trigger some additional thought about any other steps that we want to take so that people truly understand the change in the process.
We probably could. Well, we will definitely have something on our website about it that explains what the changes are and usually when we have a big ordinance package like this is the first thing you see on our website and it says new and so it draws people's attention but we'll give that additional thought on what
kind of outreach we do. I hope we do because I think it's really a tremendous opportunity for this department and for planning process in general for the county to defuse some of the cynicism that's out there. And it's really important. Thank you. Thanks.
OK, Commissioner Mary Connor? I'd like to follow up on what Commissioner Park noted and that is there are professionals in the community who know a great deal about the impact of our current overly complicated land use regulations on the applicants because many of those professionals, and I'm thinking of the architects in particular have regular contact with the zoning code and with all of our complicated regulations. And they may be a source of both additional ideas that could be looked at in the future, and more importantly a source of communication to the applicant world about how this has all changed.
They're the ones talking to those applicants on a regular basis and I guess I'm thinking the architects there are land-use planners there are contractors there are a number of different professional groups out there who can be very helpful to the county in spreading the word about how much simpler this process is going to be. And the side benefit may well be that they have their own pet peeves and their own ideas about how further streamlining can be implemented.
And so that may be something worth looking into, to see if that portion of the community can serve as a conduit for the county in spreading the word about how extensive these changes are.
Thank you Commissioner O'Mara Conner, I think that's a great point we have been talking to you know we have regular meetings with the building industry Groups and they include a lot of our land use planners in them. And I also had a meeting with the AIA and their annual meeting and I talked about this process with them and I said You need to participate. If this is something you support, you need to participate and I also encourage our land use planners to do that. I see we have one here today. Yay! Appreciate the attendance but excellent point because I think they are the right conduits because they're the people that are dealing with the applicants.
The one other thing I wanted to note is that post briefing at the board, we did meet with individual board members. In particular, I think we met with three of them. The third district, the first district and the fourth district to talk about sort of the things that they were concerned about for their districts, issues that they wanted to make us aware of and so we have been working with those districts to make sure that package that we bring forward addresses some of the things that they had specific ideas about or concerned about.
Director Plowman, thank you so much for the overview I would like to watch that County Supervisors meeting so that I can come up to speed on all the details. So thank you for sharing that.
Yeah sure we will get a link out to you.
Thank you, thank you.
I sent it out just check your email.
Oh okay well thank you Mr. Villalobos
All right, with that I think we'll turn it over to our team.
Okay.
Thank you Chair and Commissioner. It's good to be before you today for this portion of the project and I'm going to start with a little background on the county's existing permitting and design review process. So for permitting, the county has five basic types. The first are things that are really exempt from planning permits. So these are exemptions, there's no approval required and therefore they're not appealable and there is no public notice for that.
The next step or the next type is zoning clearances and these are where staff looks at a project and verifies compliance with applicable county standards And if it complies with all the standards, then it's approved. That decision is not appealable and there's no public noticing for that. The next type of permit is a land use permit and that's also reviewed by planning staff and they look for compliance with county standards and policies but there is...that decision is appealable and there is public notice for land use permits.
Coastal development permits, this is in the coastal zone. Those are also reviewed by planning staff unless they're in a coastal appeals jurisdiction. Coastal development permits are also appealable and there's public notice. And then finally discretionary permits these are your development plans your conditional use permits that county decision maker depends on level of permit and kind of threshold of development but it could be the director, the zoning administrator or the planning commission and these decisions are also appealable and there's public notice.
So in your county a land use permit or an appealable coastal development permit is required for all uses listed as permitted except if it's specifically identified as requiring a zoning clearance or other type of permit. So as Director Plowman said, this requiring of an appealable planning permit for virtually all development on a countywide basis is really unique to Santa Barbara County.
Other jurisdictions typically tie that level of permit to specific triggers and typically again not on that basic county wide level. In addition to the permitting, the county also has a design review and that's review of the boards of projects by the Boards of Architectural Review. And you have a couple throughout the county and review by those boards is required for Most discretionary and commercial development. And then also for residential development in certain areas, and that's residential development in Ridgeline Hillside areas and in many of the community plan areas although that scope of review kind of varies by community plan In May, staff did go to the Board of Supervisors with options for streamlining and downshifting permit requirements with an emphasis on making smaller projects eligible for ministerial approval.
And the focus is really on single-family residential and limited commercial development. And kind of as was introduced before, the board encouragement from that meeting was to really make some significant changes with intent of making the permit process easier, more predictable without compromising compliance with land use and resource protection policies. And some direction included creating a truly ministerial permit process for small projects, establishing a simple review process for projects that don't require significant levels of review in order to ensure compliance with county standards.
Create a non-appealable pathway for certain single family residential and accessory development and some limited commercial development. And then incorporate limited differences for certain communities, so maintain certain permit requirements within Gaviota, different design review requirements for specific areas but overall try to minimize the differences among the different communities.
So based on that direction we put together the package of amendments and they, we grouped them into four categories now go through a summary of each one of them starting with the exemptions. So the zoning code includes a list of development that's exempt from planning permits and standards still apply so that development must still meet the standard such as setbacks and heights. Other permits may still be required such as a building or construction permit but a planning permit is not required, and examples of that development is Fences and walls under a certain height, small accessory structures less than 120 square feet, limited grading interior alterations those types of things.
So with the amendments, they revise and expand some things on this list to exempt some certain projects that don't otherwise benefit from planning permit review. This includes changes of use from one non-residential permitted use to another non-residential permitted use provided there's no reduction in parking. So if you have a non-residential use that's permitted and you're changing to another permitted use and not reducing parking, that would be exempt from planning permit.
For accessory structures increasing the size of exempt accessory structures from 120 square feet to 250 square feet and allowing some utilities still can't be habitable space but you could Some electricity or a sink, some limited utilities within that. Exempting most pools and pool equipment, certain equipment for soil remediation, certain mechanical equipment such as HVAC, EV chargers, limited freestanding poles and water tanks up to 5,000 gallons. So these are some of the things that planning comes across that could be exempt that don't really benefit from planning permits.
So the next category is defined uses and permit requirements. So these are the definitions of land uses, which districts they're allowed in and what level of permit is required. So in your current code that use allowances and associated permit requirement for the zone district is presented in really extensive tables and there's a lot of them Thank you. One more consistent, more concise and then up to date with modern permitting requirements and also keeping the direction of the board in mind.
So first we looked at consolidating some use definitions. So grouping like uses into broader categories based on common function or characteristics, so sometimes being overly specific is really a hindrance and if we group the uses into broader categories it can increase consistency treating those like uses similarly reduces the need for future amendments if there's some kind of similar uses that come up that aren't specifically identified And overall reducing redundancy. So your current code now will, sometimes it includes a use in a broader group but then also lists it separately as a separately defined use and that just provides some inconsistency and some confusion So where possible we looked at consolidating use definitions and then looked at the tables to look at the use allowances.
To see where we could downshift some permit requirements for uses that don't warrant that higher level of discretionary review, and some of the comments alluded to some to that notion or that idea. So there's examples, some examples on the slide but one instance is for in all commercial zones meeting facilities downshifting that from a conditional use permit to a minor conditional use permit.
Hotels in the C1 district from a conditional use permit to a land-use permit. Mixed-use projects that have a residential component in the CN and C2 districts down shifting that from a minor conditional use permit to a land use permit, kind of consistent with the housing objectives in the county. C3 and CS urgent care clinics from a COP2 or conditional use permit to a land use permit also fences over certain heights over six feet in front and interior setbacks or more than eight feet in other areas right now it requires a minor conditional use permit down shifting that to a land use permit So in addition to the downshifting as we went through the tables, we also looked at adding use allowances for uses that fit the purpose of a zone district but aren't currently listed as allowed in those districts.
So again there's some examples on the in the presentation but certified farmers markets and agriculture districts some of the commercial districts that Old Town Orchid areas Right now that's not currently listed as allowed in those districts. Similarly with fitness and health facilities in the CN, CV, Old Town Orchid districts a bar and tavern in the commercial visitor serving district so looking at added uses that fit with the purpose of the district And then some cleanup so removing uses that aren't compatible with the purpose of a particular zoning district. And as I mentioned, the tables really haven't been comprehensively updated in some time. So there's some kind of carryovers or some obsolete provisions that are really have been carried over So we're cleaning some of those up, removing uses such as fairgrounds and drive-thru facilities in your resource protection zones.
In residential zones music recording studios, drive-through facilities, hospitals, public airports right now in the tables those are technically somebody could apply for those through a conditional use permit Finally, removing uses that are listed but not allowed. So your county has a general statement of anything not listed is not allowed but then you also kind of have for some uses have a redundant provision where the use is allowed and then shown as not allowed so you kind of say it twice. So in the interest of simplification removing those uses that Have that redundancy except for select uses that should be explicitly disallowed in certain zones. And those are some of the more sensitive topics such as cannabis related uses, short-term rentals where those aren't allowed so keeping that explicit standard The third category of the amendments is design review.
So just a recap of the current design review process, so projects go before... Design review is the review of projects by boards of architectural review and that's required for one most discretionary and commercial projects and then also certain residential development and that's residential development in ridgeline hillside areas and some community plan areas.
The proposed amendments expand development and uses that are exempt from design review, establish a new administrative design review process and then identify projects that would go through that administrative design review process rather than the current Board of Architectural Review process. In a little more detail, specifically first this table shows the current design review requirements by community planning area. Again not all residential development is subject to design review but certain community plan areas have that requirement so this summarizes where design review is required in the community plans and whether there's residential or and or commercial design guidelines So Eastern Goleta Valley, Mission Canyon, Montecito and Summerland all have residential design guidelines.
So the amendments include first the exemptions, new exemptions to design review requirements. So there's a new exemption for or an expanded exception I would say for accessory structures so increasing the size of exempt accessory structures from 500 square feet to 800 square feet. In order to be exempt they still need to be located behind another building or on the rear half of the lot Another new exemption is an exemption for limited additions to non-residential structures. So up to 10% of the existing square footage with a minimum allowance of 500 square feet, a maximum allowance of 5,000 square feet could be exempt through this design review exemption.
And then for areas where single family residential is subject to design review, an exemption for single-family residences and accessory structures that meet certain criteria. And that criteria is listed but it includes its single story so 16 feet in height or less The total floor area ratio and that's the ratio of square footage of the structure to the lot area is less than 0.35.
It's not located in a ridgeline or hills or it's not subject to a ridge line or hillside development guidelines and it's not located in Summerland, Gaviota Coast Plan Area, Los Alamos Community Plan Area or Old Town Orchid So areas where this exemption for single family residential development would apply is in the San Ynez area within the D overlay, Eastern Goleta Valley, Toro Canyon, Mission Canyon and Isla Vista. So all other areas either don't require design review for this development or are specifically excluded.
And just to give kind of an example of what might be or what would be exempt for design review, the structures shown in the illustrations all again single story. The maximum square footage that would be allowed to be exempt through design review would be .35 FAR. The second piece is establishing the administrative design review process. The board of architecture review, there's public notice, hearing.
That is all staying the same. The new process, the administrative process, the review authority would be the director but the director can consult with the BAR or a design professional. There's no public notice, no hearing. There is review for consistency with design guidelines The findings for design review still need to be made and that decision can be appealed by the applicant, but it can't be appealed generally.
So the projects that would be subject to administrative design review as proposed in the amendments are projects that if they require design review, but their amendments to existing development plans signs unless they're signs that are part of an overall sign plan or a project that is otherwise going to the Board of Architecture Review. And then single-family residential and accessory development that meets certain criteria. So before we had the criteria to be exempt from design review, if you're subject to design review but your maximum 16 feet in Summerland and within the Ridgeline Hillside areas, maximum of 25 feet in other areas still have a total floor area of 0.35 or less. Within Summerland there's They already have an additional floor area cap, so you still need to be under that.
And then not located in certain areas, so critical view shut corridors, the old town overlay, you're not on a lot adjacent to the sea. So if you meet all of... If you're subject to design review and you meet all that criteria, that would go before the administrative design review process. Anything else that has design review would, that doesn't meet that criteria would still require full Board of Architectural Review review.
And we do anticipate that a good chunk of the single family residential development would fit into that criteria for administrative design review. Just to kind of give you a try and give you a sense of scale of that. There is not a lot of single family development that the county sees that reaches or exceeds the .35 we did find one project this is a site plan the lot outline as in red, the structure outline is in green here's a better rendition of that this gets is basically .35 FAR So this is the type of project that would qualify for that, that would be within the administrative design review.
Getting back to the illustrations that we did, we prepared the single story ones. Those would be again in the areas where design review applies if they were this way. The single story ones are exempt once you get to the two-story. You still have to keep within that size threshold but you're subject to administrative design review and again we think that would capture quite a bit of the residential development The fourth and final category for the amendments is ministerial review. So I'm going to break this into two pieces, single family residential and accessory development and then commercial development. So for single family residential development the most common permit type especially for smaller projects is a land use permit in inland areas in the coastal zone it's a coastal development permit.
And both of those permit processes require consistency with county standards and policy, public notice and they are appealable. And again the Board of Supervisors direction was to establish a simple review process for certain projects that don't require that significant review but still ensure compliance with county standards and create a non-appealable permit pathway for other certain types of single family and accessory development.
So for the simple review process and this would apply just in the inland area, but projects that currently require that land use permit downshifting small and simple single-family residential accessory development to a zoning clearance. So we're still staff is still checking for compliance with all county standards and policies but if they meet these certain criteria A lot of the complexity is kind of taken out just by virtue of characteristics so Downshifting small single-family and residential accessory development to zoning clearance for projects that one are not subject to design review Not located in sensitive habitat areas or a flood hazard overlay in Gaviota Plan area, limited gross floor areas. So within the critical viewshed corridor less than 3,000 square feet outside of that but still within Gaviota less than 5,000 square feet you have public or municipal water and sanitary service You're on a developed lot or an undeveloped lot created after 1980 And that's where we're pretty certain if you've created After 1980 you went through the environmental review process So there's environmental review conducted.
No more than 250 cubic yards of grading, limited slopes not a historic structure and tree removal is minimized maximum up to and replaced on a one-to-one basis. So if you meet that, down shifted to a zoning clearance for the next kind of level up where you're not subject to zoning clearance. You still need a land use permit but creating a non-appealable permit pathway for projects that maybe don't qualify for a simple permit but are still not subject to CEQA.
So in the coastal zone, a non-appealable coastal development permit for things that are outside the Coastal Appeals Jurisdiction, not subject to CEQA and also located outside of the Gaviota coast plan area. So in coastal, that does require a Coastal Notice of Non-Appealable Development. That's just a provision of the Coastal Act but inland the equivalent would be in the non appealable land use permit so if you don't exceed county CEQA thresholds not subject to CEQAs located outside of the Gaviota coast plan area that would be a non appealable LUP that also does not And that would not require public notice.
For commercial development, so in the commercial and industrial zones all development really requires either a land use permit or a development plan. And these are the different thresholds there's land use permit for certain amounts up to certain amount of square footage in commercial zones and the MCR zone otherwise for all other development and commercial and industrial zones a development plan is required Again, looking at for commercial development that simple review process and a non-appealable permit pathway.
So the proposed amendments include kind of modify the permit requirements in commercial and industrial zones. So the first part is for development less than 5,000 square feet in all commercial zones that would require a zoning clearance so downshifting that and really making it across-the-board for all commercial zones If you're less than 5,000 square feet it's subject to a zoning clearance. The counterpart in the coastal zone is a non-appealable coastal development permit.
And then we've created a three tier system. The next tier would be development that's subject to a land use permit or in the coastal zone an appealable coastal development permit and I'll go through each one of these in future slides but that's development between certain square footages and other zones And then finally, if you exceed that threshold for a land use permit the development plan would be required.
So in the CN and C1 zones, and these are smaller scale kind of commercial areas. Currently it's a land use permit less than 5,000 square feet development plan greater than 5000. This creates the three tier series where zoning clearance less than 5000 square footage between five and 10,000 would require a land use permit and over 10000 a development plan would be required.
The C-2 and C-3 zones, this is getting into your larger scale properties more community or regional scaled areas. Land use currently the land use permit is required under 5,000 square feet development plan over that. The proposed threshold again zoning clearance less than 5000 land use permit for anything between five and 15,000 square feet and then over 15, 000 is a development plan Again, kind of moving up in the intensity of the commercial zones.
Currently in the CH, CS and CV which is currently not mapped in your inland area all development requires a development plan. The proposed amendments again have that three-tier under 5,000 zoning clearance between five and ten thousand as a land use permit and over 10,000 a development plan Similarly with the public institutional zone, these are typically educational, institutional uses, government uses, public facilities. Currently a development plan is required for everything.
This again would have up to 5,000 square feet zoning clearance, land use permit between five and 15,000 square feet and a development plan over 15,00. In the industrial zones, this just has kind of two tiers rather than the three-tier development. So in industrial zones current requirement is all development gets a development plan. The proposed threshold is to have a land use permit under 20,000 square feet and a development plan for over 20,000 square feet And then the final thing related to commercial development and development plan is revisions or refinements to the review authority.
So in the CN and CV zones, shifting the zoning administrative review or right now the zoning administrator reviews everything less than 15,000 square feet. The proposed amendments have the zoning administrator reviewing things less than 25,000 square feet And then the Planning Commission reviews anything more than that. And all other commercial and industrial zones, including the mixed use zone. The director would review things less than 20,000 square feet. Right now the threshold's 10,000. The zoning administrator would look at everything between 20 and 25,000 square feet that is increased from between 10 and 15. And then the planning commission looks at everything 25,00 square feet or more, or as the decision maker.
All development plans require public notice and are appealable regardless of who that review authority is. So with that I will pass it to Ben or Alex, anything I missed?
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So we do have a number of kind of backup slides if mostly Looking at different areas of the county if you're curious so like where commercial zone Properties are in different areas of the county. We have some slides on that as well as like some different visuals of like different FARs and things of that nature, so we weren't planning on going through those but certainly if you have any questions or want more information we can pick those up if need be And I would just say that yeah, Martha did a great summary of our proposal As far as what we're hoping to accomplish today So today is just a workshop We're not asking for any final recommendation or action by your Commission. That will happen when we return on October 21st But today what we're really looking for is, well a conversation really and some dialogue.
Opportunity for you to ask questions, to talk through issues, identify or voice some concerns. Give us any direction on additional information you'd like us to return with at the next meeting where we will be asking for a recommendation? And so we have, you know the next bit of chunk of time hour and a half or so to go through it and again we know this is a lot of information to throw at you.
These are some big changes that that maybe have been a long time coming but are nevertheless a big change. The board did encourage us to take a big swing and to be sort of aggressive and ambitious But we've tried to sort of strike a balance in terms of making some significant changes without necessarily sacrificing what we care about as a community in terms of reasonable and appropriate development, compatibility and scale protection of natural resources.
So trying to thread that needle and make sure that Through this effort, we don't end up resulting in a development and a community that we no longer want to live in. So that's the balance we hope we've struck with this but certainly happy to answer questions and talk through any issues and just have an open and honest discussion about this.
Well, so first of all I want to say thank you. This is a very comprehensive plan it's a lot for us to digest and listening to the presentation it really gives me a feel for the difficulties you've got when you're dealing with a project that's in a very urban area versus a very rural area because Santa Barbara County we live at both ends of the extreme there from from urban to rural I see the difficulty. I appreciate all the examples that the photographs explaining the different CN, CV zones and so forth and so on those actually helped me quite a bit they helped me to understand what it is that you're referencing I have some questions just based upon what I've heard, but I don't know if this is the appropriate time for me to ask those kind of questions.
Like, I'm just trying to get a general understanding and I don't know if I should ask in here or if I should speak with one of the planners at a later point in time.
Let's have it. Go for it.
OK. So starting at the beginning looking at accessory structures on page 11 Just so that I understand, so exemptions would be item number two an accessory structure. Increase the size of the exempt accessory structure to 120 square feet to 250 square feet and allow some utilities. So I'm thinking that would that be like a shed that has a light switch or a sink? Would it be one of those kind
of structures? So right now the allowance is To be exempt, it's 120 square feet no greater than 12 feet in height with no utilities. So a garden shed but no light and for those of you who have ever wandered into a garden shed at night can be pretty terrifying so allowing some limited utilities so long as those utilities aren't making the structure habitable I think that's really what we're trying to avoid is someone starting to live in that shed So that's exactly what this is envisioning, things like sheds, pergolas, outdoor kitchens where you maybe want to have a wet bar and your grill hooked up to natural gas.
What else would fall into that category? Yeah that's most of it. So it's non-habitable accessory structures, playhouses, tree houses, garden sheds in addition to expanding the size and allowing for those limited utilities the other thing we did is allowed it to be either attached or detached right now the exemption is only if it's detached but whether your pergola is attached to the house or detached to the house really shouldn't matter so long as it's meeting all the other requirements like setbacks and height. So that's the primary focus with that expansion in that exemption.
Okay, and it is increasing the size as it says from 120 to 250 square feet so we're allowing a larger garden shed per se? Correct. Okay great one other question on that same slide mechanical equipment poles in water storage tanks I live in a rural area and neighbors have 5,000 gallon water storage tanks in case of a fire. So does that 5,00 gallon tank fall within the exemption?
It's because it says her water tanks up to 5,000 gallons but the tanks are 5000 gallons and in their increments of 5000 gallons.
I think it's five thousand or less is how it's written in the code so
okay so five thousand or less
so yeah it does anticipate what we often have seen.
Okay thank you those were two of the three questions then on page 19 Under proposed amendments, I love expanding the development uses that are exempt from design review. Establish a new administrative design review process and establish thresholds to identify projects that would be subject to administrative design review rather than BAR design review What kind of thresholds are you talking about?
I'm not familiar enough to know what would qualify and what would be excluded from the qualification
Yeah, so we know we threw a lot at you. So as we're going through the slides Martha walked through sort of the three tiers or two tiers really. So we identified on this slide what the exempt tier is which is essentially if your single story and you do not exceed that floor area ratio of 0.35 and you're not Ridgeline Hillside then you would be fully exempt from design review But if you, then go to the next slide.
If you are greater than single story so if your two-story development but still don't exceed that floor area ratio or say you're proposing a sign on your commercial building which currently would require full BAR review those would be the types of things that would now be subject to administrative design review instead So essentially it allows two-story development below that floor area ratio And or single story if you're a ridgeline hillside condition This is the one area of our package where we understand that there's some areas of the community or of the county and that are more sensitive in terms of their visual impacts and concern about visual quality. So, you will see a number of exceptions or carve-outs on the design review where it was determined through direction from the board and individual conversations with certain board members that it was appropriate to retain some higher level of review authority within certain areas of the county.
But hopefully that answers your question. CHRIS
RODGERS. Yes, it does. Thank you. No further questions from me. Any of the other commissioners? Commissioner Mary Connor. COMMISSIONER
MARY CONNOR. Thank you. So I'm going to sort of lift ourselves up off the runway and look at it more like at a 5,000 foot level. And one of the slides talked about how this effort does not include building permits, for example. That's an entirely different area of county function. It's an area of county function that has some of the same impacts on building and development that the land use process, the planning and development process has.
And the question I'm driving towards is whether or not this is a model. This program and this effort is going to serve as a model to take a look at building permits, for example, and grading permits, and all of the other kinds of permits that the county requires of people who are engaged in physical activities in the community. Because if we have some of the problems that you've identified in our land use process I imagine the building permits and the grading permits and the other permits are not immune from some of those same issues.
So my question is, are you anticipating that this effort will serve as a model for another effort to look at the other areas in which the county's issuing permits for private activities?
Thank you for the question Commissioner Americana through the chair. So I would say this isn't necessarily a model but similar efforts are ongoing on the building permit side of things over in recent years we've as a department expanded types of permit building permits that are what we call on demand or essentially over-the-counter. So a re-roof, solar panels I think water heaters things like that that are just sort of universal and standard and fairly simple we still want to make sure that they're done to code but those are essentially on demand permits now so someone submits their application pays their permit fee and they get their permit without having to go through like multiple rounds of plan check and review I think there's an interest and ongoing effort at expanding that list of what would be eligible for that type of on-demand, over the counter type of building permit.
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To add on to what Mr. Tuttle is talking about, over the last couple years building safety has done exactly what Mr. Tuttle said it has indicated as identifying permits that we call on demand or over-the-counter but in addition the building official actually has a list that he posted within the last couple years to try to clarify activities that are not don't require billing permits He also identified those activities that we would call non plan check type activities. That would be the more over-the-counter on demand things, and then also clarifying those types of building permits that do trigger a plan check review. So this process has been actually going on department wide already. And so Building Safety's been doing that. Their permits are already ministerial but they're fine tuning it to okay in that ministerial world What type of activities actually require a plan check review?
Do we not have to do a plan check review? And so, I mean this is part of a bigger conversation as far as what the department's been doing to streamline its overall process both on the planning and building side.
Okay that's good to hear. Again, I want to reiterate my support for this entire effort of simplifying and speeding up the county's process for issuing all different kinds of permits. And let me ask one other question. How will these code changes apply to people who are already in the process?
So normally the way Commissioner Americana through the chair, normally the way it works is for on the planning side. The regulations are those that are in effect at the time a person is obtaining their permit or getting their permit approved. So if someone happens to be in the middle of a permit application for a project that suddenly through these changes is exempt. Say it's a 200 square foot accessory structure that would suddenly be exempt through these changes and they're in the middle of their permit process, they could say okay thanks I'm done and walk away so we do anticipate Really thought exactly about how this would be messaged and whatnot. But basically, the regulations are in effect would be those that are in effect at the time of project approval.
So there could be some projects in process that would either be downshifted in their required permit or potentially be fully exempted all the way. COMMISSIONER
JAMES CAVANAUGH Very good. That was the answer I was hoping for. Thank you. COMMISSIONER
CHRIS RODGERS Commissioner Ford?
Thank you so much. Well, first of all what a great presentation and I have hit my one year anniversary of being on the Planning Commission but sometimes especially with something like this it is still like drinking through a fire hose but so I appreciate all the work that you've done and this presentation I oftentimes will look at things from the point of view of the public too because you know, I am a member of the public and I found that one of the words I learned when I first came on was ministerial. And you use that a lot and I was just wondering if for the public you could just define ministerial?
So Ministerial is essentially approval that does not involve discretion. So it's a project would be evaluated against any objective standards that are in place and the decision is generally an objective determination that is not subject to appeal. It doesn't mean that a project no longer has to comply with standards, it's just that those standards are intended to be objective so they could be applied consistently regardless of who is reviewing an application.
In the context of our proposal and our set of recommendations Ministerial, when we talk about ministerial in some instances we're talking truly ministerial where it's only objective standards. It's non-appealable not noticed and other instances were using more that term a little bit more liberally where it's really more accurate to just define it as a non-appealable. So for example, the category of permits that we're calling a non-appealable land use permit, that's not truly ministerial because there could still be some discretion applied by the planner in reviewing the application as they're reviewing it against county policies But that discretion would be sort of handled at the staff level and with the applicant as opposed to it becoming a project that is suddenly subject to notice and appeal.
We're kind of breaking it into two categories here. The truly ministerial, where you meet these criteria and these thresholds and you are approved versus this category of projects that would essentially still be evaluated as they are today in terms of a planner would review them against our policies and potentially give feedback to an applicant to make changes to ensure consistency with the policy, but that would all be non-appealable decisions.
That would at least simplify sort of that aspect of the planning process to make the outcome a bit more predictable because The challenge with appeals, as you've now perhaps seen is it just creates a lot of uncertainty and lack of predictability by the part of an applicant. They never know if a neighbor's going to pop up and appeal their addition. So removing that from a possibility even if they still are going through a planning process, it can create a lot greater predictability in terms of the ultimate outcome.
Thanks. I had another question. I think it was up until about slide 39, I was thinking wow this is amazing not only are most of these changes completely common sense and make things much more streamlined but I wondered along the way whether this also will allow for better and higher use of staff?
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Excellent question, Commissioner Ford through the chair. So by making the simple projects simpler it will hopefully free up staff time to be able to dedicate and devote to the projects that warrant the greater level of review and detailed Thank you very much. Quickly quick more quickly as well because they'll have hopefully greater capacity to move those To provide the necessary attention to those and then you know a big part of that too is by Eliminating the potential for appeal on a good Portion of these projects appeals can suck up a lot of staff time And Whether it's for a small project or a big project Just having to go to the commission and writing the staff reporting, potentially on up to the board.
That's an inordinate amount of staff time. And so taking that off the table for a large chunk of these projects would also free up staff time to be able to devote to other projects.
Good to know.
Thank you. Commissioner Park?
Yeah, I have a general question. And I want to use this specific example. But first, I wanted to just follow up on what Commissioner Ford asked. I heard you Mr. Tuttle saying that appeals take up a lot of staff time. What I think about when we're doing appeals is there's really not a cost recovery program for staff time for appeals, is there? I mean, if you're working on a project, the project gets billed. But once it goes into the appellate stage…
Commissioner Park through the Chair, yeah that's basically correct. There is a nominal appeal fee outside of the coastal zone. But that hardly covers the staff time. So mostly, that's non-reimbursable time that comes out of the county's general fund.
So I think this will be good for that. So, I was just thinking ahead about what we do with all this. We have plenty of commissioners to do and I know when I first read this packet, you know, I see That's a lot to digest. I look forward to having this hearing today, to kind of get started and I want to digest it better for our next hearing when we adopt it or change it or whatever we do.
So I'm thinking about Okay, what will the public know about this and who will show up at the next hearing? It could be a lot of people or maybe people don't know about it. So I'm curious about what outreach has kind of existed so far. And I'm going to bring up one example. I don't know why this caught my eye. I think it's from reading too many album covers, you know, from when I was a kid about people having famous recordings in their basements or in your home studios. Things like that music from Big Pink, the basement tapes. It's just like and so I kind of imagine Montecito and Santa Barbara are full of recording studios that are in homes things like that Maybe that's not true.
And apparently someone somehow made a decision, okay this doesn't really belong in the residential zones because I did see that on one of the slides and I can't remember which and it said well we're taking this out because it doesn't really fit but it seemed to me in musical history It kind of has fit. And I don't know whether somebody's going to come and complain about this at our next hearing or won't even know about it, now complain about it three years later and say that idiot John Park voted for something to kill off our recording studios for our famous constituents we have.
So the question is, what kind of outreach will we have before that next hearing?
Commissioner Park through the chair. So a little bit of an idea of the outreach that we've done and will do for the next hearing You know, we have our standard newspaper notices. So a notice of this hearing, this workshop went out in the Santa Barbara Independent and Santa Maria Times in advance of it. I think the notice for the October 21st hearing is going out practically today or something. I don't know the exact date but there's a time requirement for that so that's going out as well. We did mailed notices to a list of kind of any people we've identified as interested parties or like the neighboring jurisdictions, things like that.
And then we also do an email blast to anyone who's put their name down on one of our mailing lists that we think is applicable so that was probably 800-plus people or something like that who have signed up on our website saying, I'm interested in anything we think is a related topic to this. So it's housing policy, ordinance amendments. We send it out to the members of the BARs, things like that. So it's really quite a few people.
If someone's an interested party and hasn't signed up for any of those, it's really hard for us to know that they're an interested party. We kind of do expect some amount of outreach towards us to say, I'm interested in these things. Please send me information about them. And we have all those lists saved so that we can send those people information. I think that may be it on the kind of outreach that we do. Again, we occasionally hear from people who get those notices and they may say, Can you send me more information? When is this? I have a couple questions. We're always happy to respond to those, but again it's difficult to reach out to someone if they haven't found a way Removing those from the residential zones, as you said there are a lot of famous music recording studios that happen in musicians' houses.
But really when that's listed in the land use table, that says like a primary use for it and that would be, you know, a residential property that doesn't have a home on it just has a music recording studio. And I think that is something that we're saying well that's really not a compatible use if you have a, you know, you're a musician, you have a large home and you have I don't have the specific regulations in front of me, but that is more likely to fall under something like a home occupation which is you know a home business. You can do a variety of things in your home as a business and I don't want to make 100% commitment to it, but I think it's quite likely that a music recording studio could fall under that so long as you're still using the property as a home and just have a recording studio in your basement to go along with that.
And you're not solely running a music recording studio but never sleeping there legally.
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So that's a couple of answers to a couple questions. Commissioner Parks and the Chair, just to add on to the noticing and outreach as I think Ms. Plowman indicated at the beginning we also hold this standing building industry advisory group meeting every couple months with representatives like land use agents and some builders architects and whatnot, and we've been repeatedly advertising this work effort and encouraging participation. And you see a couple representatives today one from Laurel who's on the BIA and then Haley who is one of our BAR members.
And so, you know we make efforts at getting the word out. Obviously we're not getting the level of attendance that we might have wished but there's only so much we could do with that.
Well there are those of us who are old enough to remember actual newspapers you'd hold in your hand and you'd get one of them that was famous and not defunct in the late afternoon I used to be a paperboy, but and they had real reporters. And they'd come to these hearings and they'd actually it would be in the news what was going to happen at a hearing not just what did happen.
Those days are gone. But I wonder, do we ever do press releases or anything before big things like this to just tell people in general? I mean, I would imagine and I'm not picking on the recording studios because I don't know anything about them but probably the people that would care about that They aren't on your notice lists and don't get the formal notices.
Commissioner Park through the chair, when we send out that email blast those do go out to the different newspapers so then they have that information and it would be kind of up to them to decide if they want make mention of that or not. We also do, from time to time, do press like formal press releases. Typically we would do those closer to like a decision-maker action as opposed to a workshop such as this but the newspapers do receive our email notices and so can elect to advertise those in their circulation
And then again, we do publish a display ad in those newspapers, you know, a quarter sheet or something like that of basically the same text as our notice that says there's a hearing coming up. There's a workshop coming up. Here's some details on it. However, a few people may still get a newspaper on their doorstep or subscribe to it digitally and read the digital newspaper. Those display ads will show up with the information on where the hearing is, when it is, how to participate, the general topic of it as well.
Well, you know this might be the case where it is worth having a press release before our next hearing. Obviously it's more important for the board picks it up but if we're going to be useful to the board, we ought to look at this and hear some of this first. It reminds me I was in this room. We were looking, we were reviewing the Coastal Resiliency Ordinance. We got literally no public comment except for one speaker That was a woman who said she'd been passing by the doorway and saw these beautiful pictures of the ocean. She thought she'd come in and comment on that. Well, you know the Coastal Resiliency Ordinance it had all sorts of setbacks and big issue things for the planning public but nobody knew about it.
And of course we still don't have adoption of it do we from the Coastal Commission? I don't think we do. Okay thanks.
I do have one last question. If all goes well, when do we anticipate the ministerial permitting and streamlining process to take effect?
Mr. Chair, Commissioners, so we'll be returning back to your commission on October 21st for formal recommendation of the package to the Board of Supervisors with any comments or direction or feedback. And then the plan is to go to the board on December 8th And if they take action on December 8th, then the regulations will go into effect 30 days after adoption in the inland area.
In the coastal zone we have to get any ordinance amendments certified by the Coastal Commission which is a process that can take a year or longer So in the inland area, we're potentially only a few months out from these changes going into effect. But in the coastal zone, probably another year and a half. OK. Thank you.
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Any other comments before we move on? OK.
Chair,
Mr. Wilson?
Just want to open it up for public comment. I think there's a couple online and then there's some individuals in the room.
OK,
let's go ahead. Can we take a break first? It's been 90 minutes.
OK, I guess based upon the request from Commissioner Park we'll take a five minute break and then we'll come back for public comment. Okay, we are back from break. We're back from break and we're still on standard agenda item regarding Ministerial Streamlining Amendments Workshop and we are opening it up to public comment at this time. All right,
I have one physical speaker slip. If there's anyone else that would like to speak please submit a speaker slip. I have at least one speaker online if you are also online and would like to speak go ahead and raise your virtual hand so I know that's the call on you let's start with our in-person speakers first speaker will be Laurel Fisher Perez and then if there are no other speakers In the hearing room, our next speaker will be Marcia Tello.
Thank you Mr. Villalobos
Good afternoon Mr. Chair Commissioners I'm Laurel Fisher-Perez with SEPS Land Use Consulting and I'm absolutely thrilled to be here today. I am giving a standing ovation just to staff you guys have done an amazing job thank you very much we are in strong support of the recommendations that are before your commission And, you know I can tell you that over my gosh 35 years of land use consulting. I have been involved with the county on numerous process improvement efforts over those years and this is by far the most comprehensive thoughtful and just complete process improvement effort that I've seen to date Particularly because it not only expands the exemptions for minor projects, but it actually results in a ministerial process for those projects that are truly ministerial.
Small additions, small homes, small accessory structures, small commercial development And by allowing a straightforward process that meets, where projects clearly meet defined objective standards to proceed through a truly ministerial review. The county will be able to provide far greater predictability to homeowners, to families, to small businesses and the property owners while still ensuring compliance with zoning regulations, and environmental protections. The way I look at the package that is before you is it's pro-family. It's pro-community. It's pro small business and it's long overdue.
And I think for those that might be concerned about change, and I know that they're out there, I think it's important to note that staff is not proposing to eliminate oversight Those projects that involve sensitive resources, significant grading, steep slopes, flood hazards, environmentally sensitive habitat areas or other factors that warrant closer scrutiny would continue to receive a higher level of review and where appropriate remain subject to a discretionary review process. I also appreciate staff's recognition that certain communities including the Gaviota Coast Summerlin, Los Alamos and Old Town Orchid have unique characteristics that justify more tailored design review requirements.
And I think what this does is it demonstrates that streamlining can occur while still respecting community character and local planning objectives. I want to get to a couple of points that were raised earlier. Overall, these amendments represent a thoughtful effort to reduce unnecessary processing and cost. It's extremely expensive to go through the permit review process. It will improve efficiency and it allows county staff to focus on those larger projects that truly deserve the time and energy of county staff, the discretionary projects. So I encourage your commission to support staff's direction and provide positive feedbacks. And I just want to end on a somewhat personal note, you know as an owner of a permitting company this is likely to have an impact on our workload You know, it's going to reduce it.
And I got to tell you we could not be happier if we don't have to represent one more accessory shed that happens to have an electrical hookup in it. If we can help support families by downshifting some of these permits to support family values, family growth and the community then we've done our community a true service. And appreciate your time and effort and thank you again staff.
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Thank you.
I think. Thank you before we go to Mr. Shatillo, we do have another additional speaker in the hearing room Miss Grubb.
I'll be brief. I'm Kaylee Grub and I just wanted to echo a lot of Laurel's sentiments. I currently chair SBAR and so similarly this will reduce our workload and simplify the process quite a bit because there will be quite a few projects that won't be coming to us anymore and I think I couldn't be happier about the downshifting strategy because I think right now we're not actually seeing a lot of the larger development projects because of the housing element, which is its own process. And so now much of what we're seeing are these small projects that have an addition to a deck or a replacement of something that happened to cause it trigger and it just doesn't feel great to be reviewing these small projects that inevitably have small budgets to create this consultant list of like maybe five professionals billing to this project for a small scope.
And so I just really appreciate the direction and the kind of downshifting simplifying approach. I have not gotten into the details of it, so I can't speak to the details yet but I just wanted to state my support for the general direction. Thank you.
All right, moving on to our online speakers. Our first speaker will be Mark Sciatillo.
Good afternoon Mr. Chair this is Mark Sciatillo I'm speaking on behalf of a number of groups that have been involved in this that I've represented over the years and currently involved and context is important. I've got a number of points but I just want you to keep in mind that the community has experienced State incursion into local land use control and the Planning Department's proposal as we're looking at it now represents a further substantial weakening in the ability of the community to be involved in land use decisions. So I'm going to encourage your Commission to ask staff to summarize the exemptions and the other issues here, and to make that available do some active outreach as they have been doing with the development community.
Do that with the neighborhood community groups that are really interested in these issues. I'm going to go through a number of exemptions that I think need to be looked at recognize it when there's an exemption. That means a project can defy the general plan standards There's an exempt project being processed in Mission Canyon that's going to add access and parking into a designated fire lane that the staff cannot do anything with because it's exempt.
There needs to be a process for listing all of the, well let me ask staff to list all the exemptions And to make that available as part of the public outreach there need people, I get the people that call when how could this county actually do this what are they thinking. Those are the calls that I get regularly and there really needs to be a more active effort on the part of the county to reach out to the other affected community, not just to the development community. A couple of key issues in the exemptions that I think probably don't belong there or need to be considered more carefully. One of them is onsite wastewater treatment systems, septic systems. We've got exempt projects and other projects with Well, the county code is important for ensuring that there's an expansion area when somebody built a new septic system.
That septic system is not located on top of a cultural site, that it's not in an area where you're going to potentially contaminate a water well which by the way water wells are also exempt from review so no review whatsoever they are exempt just go and do it fire pits are now exempt and it doesn't matter if they're in The remediation structures, there's no standard for that. There is no height, there is no BAR review so a remediation facility could be 20,000 square feet and still be exempt. No design review.
In closing, I'd like to strongly encourage that the county make an effort equal to the outreach to the development community in the building industry. To the community groups that are actively concerned and involved with community planning. There needs to be better recognition of high fire hazard areas and ensure that the zoning clearance exemptions, for example, are that high fire hazard areas be identified as an area where the zoning clearance is not eligible. As with the other sections, this is section 3582-210B1b Mission Canyon should similarly be included as one of those areas.
We've gone 30 seconds over time, may I ask you to speed it up and we'll get to the end?
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I will summarize by just saying there has not been community involvement in these proposed changes, and there is going to be a substantial amount of community interest in it. So the exemptions that we're now looking at for the 1st time need to be looked at pretty carefully and appreciate your commissions. inclusion of safety standards as part of the criteria for when an exemption or a downshift should not be included. Thank you. Okay, thank you very much for your comments.
I believe that Mr. Citillo, I'm sorry we do have one additional hand now our next speaker will be Ana Citrin
Hi, good afternoon Chair and Planning Commissioners. Can you hear me?
Yes we do.
Great I wasn't sure if I needed to raise my hand or not sorry about that. My name is Ana Citrin. I'm the Legal and Policy Director for the Gaviota Coast Conservancy I want to say, you know there are a lot of positive changes in this ordinance amendment and we appreciate the county's efforts to streamline the processing requirements for truly minor projects. Our main concern is with changes that affect new single family dwellings on undeveloped lots and similar projects that have the potential to transform neighborhoods.
First, to piggyback on comments that Commissioner Park made about public notice for these hearings. I recognize it's very challenging with these big ordinance packages but there are certain details that the public certainly would be interested to know and I generally agree with With Mr. Shatillo that there are constituencies that are just not fully aware of what's happening with this ordinance package and Just to provide an example in the notice for this hearing, it states that you will be cleaning up the list of allowed uses within each zone and reduce permit requirements for certain uses where applicable.
But it does seem from reviewing the specific ordinance changes and Commissioner Park provided one example That there are actually some uses that will no longer be allowed in individual zones and that is of. Of concern to property owners and the public at large, and just 1 example and something I would appreciate more clarification on. I see that charitable and philanthropic organization is a use that will be eliminated in the agricultural zone.
Presumably as an incompatible use and I, that seems like it would be a compatible use. And I'd appreciate more information on whether that will translate to an actual change in allowed land uses or if similar to the recording studios, they would be accommodated within another primary use and would appreciate some more information about that. And I think there may be instances where more clarification and more detail in the public notice would be really beneficial to ensuring that the people that are affected by this ordinance have the opportunity to participate.
A quick clarification, slide 20 staff described the Gaviota Coast as not having residential design guidelines. The Gaviota Coast does have adopted design guidelines that expressly cover Residential development, so just want to make sure that is accounted for in this process with respect to the thresholds between simple and complex ministerial projects. It's unclear whether the simple ministerial projects would be noticed and again we strongly favor public noticing of these projects wherever possible even if they are unappealable there's real value to allowing neighbors and watchdog groups to alert staff to resource issues that may have not been initially appreciated by staff. Okay
we're 30 minutes over, or 30 seconds over it may ask you to please summarize?
Yes absolutely thank you for that opportunity Again, we favor increased notice. We do have concerns about removing certain new family and single-family dwellings from the appealability requirement and would ask that you look into how many single-family dwellings have actually been appealed for last year I see on a cell it looks like there were only... Okay thank you very much
for your comments. We appreciate it. Thank you Mr. Villalobos, do we have any others?
I have no additional speakers online is there anyone else in the room that would like to make comment on this item?
Okay so there's no further public comment going back to the commissioners none
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Going back for questions or deliberations?
For deliberation sorry Commissioner Park yes
Mr. Chair, before we do that I think there were a couple of things we heard that we'd like to respond to if possible?
Absolutely. Thank you.
Just Mr. Chair and Commissioners in response to some of the things we heard that we can hopefully clarify and answer any future questions specifically there was mention of septic systems on-site wastewater treatment systems and wells being exempted and not requiring anything. In a lot of cases, those are already exempted. We are kind of allowing exemption of additional or called alternative wastewater treatment systems.
And that's really because we've discussed this with our Environmental Health Services Department. They're the ones who can have more substantive requirements and apply state requirements for these things. that really are not zoning related. They're public health, environmental health issues but that department still requires permits for these facilities, wastewater treatment facilities and wells and they require permits for them and apply their standards so Having a zoning permit that really does not have any standards, as well as environmental health services permit that does have actual substantive standards didn't feel necessary. And we discussed with them during the process to make sure that they were fine with the changes that we were proposing.
And quickly also on remediation enclosures since that's a new proposal both in exemptions and as an allowed use, and that may not be entirely clear what it is up to a level are proposed to be exempt. I believe it's 500 square feet. I can double check that though, as well as not producing significant noise. Anything beyond that would be zoning clearance in any zone and these are really uses for things like where there has been gas station or a dry cleaning plant and things like that and there has been kind of hazardous runoff into the soil that other state and federal agencies will require remediation of soil gas, soil water, things like that.
That again aren't particularly standards that we have. So smaller ones were proposing to be exempt and then larger ones would be a zoning clearance and we would just kind of check that off there doing what the actual permitting agency, the state or federal agency requires but are not otherwise making it taller and noisier than it needs to be per those agencies.
And just to add to that there was a comment about fire high-fire hazard areas are reviewed by Fire Department and I just wanted to clarify that Regardless of whether a project is exempt from a planning permit or falls into the zoning clearance category or non-appealable land use permit category. The projects still get reviewed by the respective fire department for compliance with their standards and their requirements.
So that would happen regardless of the permit threshold for our projects, whether it happened at the planning level or happens through the building permit. Projects would still be subject to compliance with their requirements. So I just wanted to clarify that. It was purposefully not included as a planning trigger, just because fire department reviews such a large range of projects and our high-fire hazard areas are so encompassing within the county that having that as a trigger would essentially push everything into that category.
Okay, thank you. Thank you both for the clarifications anything else?
One final clarification if I can it was also brought up the charitable or philanthropic organization use being taken out of the ag zone specifically and that was that we really thought that could fall under kind to larger use categories rather than be defined as its own. It could either be a meeting facility, in some cases which is still allowable in the agricultural zones with a conditional use permit or it may fall under more of an office use which is not allowed in the agricultural zones and we really do think that is not is not compatible with an agricultural zone as a primary use. So you may still be able to have some offices to be accessory to an agricultural use or recreational use that you have, but as a primary use, that kind of office we really do think is not compatible with the larger agricultural zone purpose.
COMMISSIONER CHRIS RODGERS.
Great. Thank you very much. Commissioner Park?
Yeah, just following up Mr. Singer's point there I think that there are some charitable or philanthropic Organizations that utilize agricultural property in a way that fits right in with agriculture, you know, demonstration farms things like that or even some conservation projects. So I think you're correct but I have a comment and which will end with the general question of Mr. Tuttle.
So it seems to me that if we were starting from scratch with a zoning ordinance It would be good if we had one with less discretionary review, less of all those boxes that say CUP but would have more objective standards and more development standards. And I think that this kind of goes to the point that's made by Ms. Citron and Mr. Ciotillo that oh gosh what happens if you take away this discretionary review that the public benefits from?
Well, I think ideally We would have design standards and development standards that would substitute for some of that. And it would be good for the applicants, developers because they'd have something that they could see in writing that tells them what they can do as opposed to wondering what happens at the end years long process and a hearing. So I think we have that responsibility to prepare those.
We sort of have models for that, you know when we were so scared of the Builders Remedy, we rushed through an Objective Design Standards Ordinance which I think has worked out beneficially in the development of REC Master Plan Implementation Ordinances. That's certainly an area where One of the benefits is streamlined processing, but we're including design standards or development standards for certain uses that will occur under that. So a question for you Mr. Tuttle is would we have some effort to flesh out our zoning code as we take away the CUPs and so forth? Will we add in more development standards in their stead
Commissioner Park through the chair, you know so good question and I'll answer it in a few different ways or a few different parts. On the design focus you know it's funny in our presentation and as Ms. Plowman indicated this is our third and final phase of a three-phase effort. I actually anticipate a fourth phase Which is to work to further establish, as you pointed out we do have a set of objective design standards that are applicable to multifamily housing because we've lost the ability to apply discretionary subjective review on multifamily housing projects per state law.
But we don't have a universal across the board set of objective design standards for single family residential development. We have a number of communities where there's design guidelines. Some of the design guidelines arguably are objective, others very clearly not so much. So, you know the decision with this effort with this phase was to not do away with those residential design guidelines that they're been an important tool for ensuring appropriate quality design and development within the county.
And so our commitment to the board was that projects would still be subject to those design guidelines it might just happen if not at the full BAR through that administrative design review I do anticipate a growing need and value in creating more objective standards because that is certainly the message we keep hearing from the state sort of at various levels, that projects should be subject to more objective standards and you can't apply subjectivity So I think that's going to be a continued effort moving forward beyond completion of this current package.
The other thing I just wanted to say is, you know as we went to the board and they gave us direction, we have and as Ms. Plowman alluded, we have I don't know what is it 10 community plans? And we have our comprehensive plan that serves as the underlying framework for the entire county With a lot of policies. policies about minimizing grading and scarring of hillsides and topography and things of that nature. And the board was very clear that they saw continue to see value in those policies, and we're not proposing to eliminate or do away with any of those policies. So projects will still be subject to compliance and consistency with the same policies as they are today It would just happen through a different permit process.
The simple, truly ministerial zoning clearance, those thresholds that we established or that we're proposing are specifically designed so that if you're below those thresholds, you can with certain confidence be determined to be consistent with those resource protection policies without requiring further review. If you exceed those thresholds, like the 250 cubic yards of grading or development on a 20% slope or development near environmentally sensitive habitat. We acknowledge that those projects will continue to require a higher level of review to ensure consistency with those policies. It just doesn't have to be in the form of an appealable land use permit or an appealable coastal development permit, so staff will continue to do their analysis.
The public would have an opportunity to provide comment and review projects as they do currently. There would be no noticing, and they would not be subject to appeal. The noticing we understand has been an important valuable tool for the community. And we understand that it's a big change to eliminate the noticing component. But again, the board's direction was to take a pretty big swing at this. And so removing the noticing and the appealability of these permits was a big part of that.
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CHRIS JERRAMSON Well thanks. I appreciate hearing that you're thinking about some of the same things I am. COMMISSIONER
CHRIS JERRAMSON Thank you. Any other comments from the commissioners? Mr. Wilson?
Chair, it seems like we're getting close to the end on this item so if you have some recommended actions we'd ask the Commission to make before we wrap this up.
Okay thank you.
Before we take that final action or review those recommendations I would just say in order to make sure that we come back to you at the next hearing on October 21st with with what you need to be able to move this project along and make a recommendation to the board. If you have any areas of concern that you want to particularly flag that we should be prepared to discuss in more detail for the next hearing Or if you have any particular questions that you want us to bring answers to for the next hearing, please let us know so that we can come prepared and make sure that we can be as productive and efficient as possible the next time.
Thank you very much. OK, on to the recommended action. Mr. Wilson?
Chair and commissioners, we're just looking for a motion and a second in the vote on these recommended actions. It's basically to receive and file and provide feedback which we've already done and then the action today isn't subject to CEQA.
Mr. Chair? May I make a motion?
Yes
please do Commissioner. I move that the Commission concur with the three recommended actions by staff
I'll second.
Thank
you, Commissioner Ford. All in favor? Aye. None opposed. So motion carries 4-0. So that will end.
Mr. Chair, can we have a five minute break so we can set up for the next item?
Okay, I was going to say so that ends the discussion on ministerial streamlining amendments. We will take a five-minute break and come back with standard agenda item number two Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan circulation amendments. Thank you Okay we are back from break and we are going to address standard agenda item number two, Eastern Glady Valley Community Plan circulation amendments.
Thank you Mr. Chair, just read it into the record really quickly. The following is a hearing on the request of the Planning and Development Department that the County Planning Commission consider case numbers 26 GPA 8 and 9 and to determine that the comprehensive plan amendments are exempt from the provisions of CEQA pursuant to sections 15168C and 15265
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Okay,
we'd like to ask for the presentation. Thank you Mr. Chair and members of the Commission. So switching topics, switching gears here. We're here today with a set of fairly focused amendments to Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan To address various circulation issues associated with some new and pending housing development in that area. So, in coordination with County Public Works Transportation and their staff will be here to answer questions and participate we will be making this presentation and with me we have David Lackey Supervising Planner Ben Singer project planner and Allie Castaneda who will be providing the presentation. So with that I will hand it over to Allie.
Thank you and good afternoon commissioners so today we will be presenting circulation amendments to the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan So to provide a background on why there's a need to update the community plan, we must briefly go back to the adoption of the 2023-2031 housing element update. So as part of the housing element update, the board approved housing rezones to several parcels in the eastern Goleta Valley with multiple parcels in the South Patterson area to address the county's housing needs.
Several of the parcels have development applications underway. And most recently, the care development was approved. With housing development in the area making significant progress, the county must ensure the anticipated development and surrounding communities will have adequate access to services. This leads to the purpose of today's hearing. Planning staff is proposing map and text amendments to the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan, to support and plan for the expansion of public roadway and multimodal network in the South Patterson area.
The proposed maps are intended to help facilitate the future establishment of these circulation improvements. The improvements would be incorporated in specific project construction and or funded in part by development impact fees. There has been close coordination with county public works on circulation improvements necessary to serve development in the South Patterson area and surrounding community.
So here's a map of the area we're focusing on today. The parcels border the city of Goleta and are located just south of Hollister and east of Ward and Highway 217. The county anticipates more than 2,900 units from the proposed development of these parcels. So the first map planning staff are proposing to update is a circulation map for the eastern Goleta Valley.
The existing exhibit shows the transportation network within the community plan, and the update to this map adds an inset map where the proposed roadways are planned for the South Patterson area. So that's that yellow box you see on the screen. So this is one of the additions we're proposing as part of the community plan amendment. This is figure 17A, and it's a circulation map that shows the proposed transportation network within the South Patterson area.
The green dashed lines note proposed public roads and their roadway classifications to provide north, south, east, and west connections in the region. The dashed purple lines are proposed multi-use paths. And the red squares on the map also highlight intersection improvements And then we have a proposed bridge on Equo that would be constructed to accommodate emergency access. And the existing bridge over Atascadero Creek would be improved to also accommodate emergency access, and these improvements will be coordinated with the city of Goleta.
The next map amendment is a similar inset map for proposed and or sorry, excuse me. It's an inset map for existing and recommended improvements in the eastern Goleta Valley. And again, the yellow box shows where the South Patterson area is. So the final map staff is proposing in this update shows the bicycle improvements for the South Patterson area. The dashed blue lines along Ward Drive and Patterson Avenue are proposed buffer class 2 bike lanes.
The proposed roadway connections of Equal and Sumida Gardens Lane will accommodate a class 1 multi-use path, And similarly to Figure 17A, the map shows the proposed bridge and the bridge improvements over Maria Ignacio Creek and Tascadero Creek to provide emergency services—access to emergency services. Excuse me. To support the circulation of multimodal map amendments, staff are proposing several text amendments So in addition to general text amendments, we're suggesting to add a policy to the plan that would require the county to coordinate with the cities of Goleta and Santa Barbara when planning for roadway intersection and multimodal projects as these projects share a community benefit.
And the final proposed amendment adds the South Patterson area circulation and multimodal plans to the list of improvements in program TCEGV1F in the Eastern Glade Valley Community Plan. The amendment you see on the slide is proposed supportive language for the improvements discussed in this presentation. And after consulting with County Public Works, staff is recommending your commission amend the resolution attachment in the hearing package to include the updated language you see here on the screen in red.
This proposed amendment would ensure that the bridge improvements to accommodate emergency services access are sufficiently supported by the plan. For environmental review, staff concluded that the proposed amendments are covered under the Housing Element Update Program Environmental Impact Report The PEIR evaluated potential impacts associated with the housing development rezones and incorporates mitigation measures to implement multimodal improvements, to reduce vehicle trips, and update funding and mitigation fee programs which reflect anticipated roadway slash multimodal improvements.
So CEQA guidelines section 15168C allows a program environmental impact report to be used for the environmental review of later activities related to the program, provided that no subsequent EIR is required pursuant to CEQA guideline section 15162. And furthermore, the proposed amendments within the coastal zone constitute a modification to the county's local coastal program and is therefore exempt from environmental review pursuant to state CEQA guidelines section 15265.
So in conclusion, the staff is recommending the following actions. To make the required findings including CEQA findings. To recommend the board determine the proposed amendments are covered by the 2023 to 2031 housing element PEIR. To recommend the board determine the proposed amendments in the coastal zone are exempt from CEQAs. And to adopt a resolution as amended recommending the board approve the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan circulation amendments.
And this concludes our presentation. Staff is available to answer any questions, and we have representatives from County Public Works here to answer any questions as well. Thank you.
OK, thank you very much. I'll ask the commissioners for comments and questions. Commissioner Park? COMMISSIONER MARK
PARKER It's just a little question. If you go back to slide six, there's just something I didn't understand. So there are some future public roads that have a long dash and there are some that have kind of like a short dot or something. And so what's that all about? What does that mean?
Yes, Commissioner Park through the chair. So the difference in dashed lines here show that they are different roadway classifications.
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And that goes to like their width and things like that?
Commissioner Park, through the chair. Yes, so the different standards for the roadway I'm sure our representatives from Public Works can go as in-depth as you'd like to hear them go on what those standards are but the longer dash is an S2 classified road and shorter dash is an S3 classified road.
OK. So it has nothing to do with the probability of the road being allowed or something like that?
Correct. It's just showing different types of
roads.
What it's going to
look like. OK, well thanks because I noticed that they were Commissioner Ford.
COMMISSIONER MARY ANN BORGESON Thanks so much. I noticed that there were a number of red squares that indicated intersection improvements, what could that include? COMMISSIONER
CHRIS RODGERS Commissioner Forth to the Chair, I think we would hand it over to our public works representatives to give a little bit more discussion on what kind of improvements that would include. COMMISSIONER
MARY ANNE BORGESON Thanks.
Good afternoon, yes so the intersections are not really designed yet, or determined what the improvements would be but we would be looking at different you know traffic control devices stop signs signals roundabouts. A lot of this is just tentative right now and has not been worked out there's the developer the county and the cities that would have to give their input on they you notice a lot of this is in the city of Goleta so they would have the primary You know, say in this but it's a county project.
Just to add a little bit more on that, you know unlike the roads where we have some classifications like Mr. Smart said these are really to give support to these improvements being made. You know this is to include it in the transportation network for this area to say we understand improvements will be made here but this is not a technical report or anything like that at this time that's spelling out the specifics of it those will come as part of the projects I would also add that these are lines and squares on a map. They don't commit the county to
to doing any exact specific project and as was noted you know several of those intersections are within the city of Goleta. You do have a letter that was submitted by the City of Goleta expressing some concern about some of those. And again, this map does not commit any particular project or guarantee any particular outcome but it at least sets the table for these to occur and Significantly, by having these on a map it allows future impact fees as was indicated that will be generated by these projects to be able to be used towards these improvements in this area.
And without that it becomes more challenging so this is a critical step towards ensuring that we have the proper resources to be able to devote to these circulation improvements in the future
Then just one more, it's more of a comment really but I did read the short paragraph about tribal consultation and the fact that the tribal consultation or the 13 people that were contacted have 90 days. And so I'm just hoping that there is some other outreach other than a letter just because I know that area and there are many areas of it that are very important to the Chumash people.
Commissioner Ford through the chair. Generally, there isn't more outreach for that kind of thing. At this point it was done because this is a comprehensive plan update which requires per the state law outreach to tribes so we got a list of tribes who would be potentially interested in this from the state and sent them a letter asking if they'd like to discuss with us.
To date, we haven't heard back from them. I can't remember what the end of those 90 days is.
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I said the letter was dated July 24. OK,
so the end of the 90 days is coming up quite soon. I haven't heard anything from them as of yet. There is still generally protections when construction begins, and that really isn't construction for any of the sites, these housing sites. Those have different requirements. But there are protections for if any kind of archaeological resources are found. But that's a separate process. This was to cover the state requirement that outreach be done to tribes.
OK, Commissioner Mary Connor.
A few questions. What is the binding effect if any of this set of maps and general plan language that we are asked to review today? Meaning if the roads and bridges and other improvements that are eventually seriously considered for actual construction differ from this, does this constrain that change in design? Will you come back when that happens to me to seek approval for some amendments to this? I'm looking to see, does this tie our hands, your hands, Public Works' hands, anybody's hands.
Have I asked the same question three ways?
COMMISSIONER MARK CONNOR Good question. So this is sort of a roadmap for planning and so it is somewhat reflective of the conversations that have been occurring and looking at what's being proposed with individual development sites, and the likely need for connections and amenities. And so if through this process or other processes there is a determination that we need to connect to 217 meeting alignment changes or differences won't affect, in many cases a need to amend this map.
Or if there's determined through additional conversations that a certain Intersection improvement is likely going to be not necessary, and maybe a roundabout instead of the signal at some location. So those operational changes really won't affect the circulation plan. So this is more of a general plan roadmap that helps to guide these ongoing conversations with landowners, the city, and our public works.
And just to further point out at least the four red intersection locations on Ward and the three on Hollister, those are all within the city. So these are just being shown for illustrative purposes that we anticipate there's going to be a need to address how those intersections function with respect to this anticipated development. Obviously, it's not within our jurisdiction. So our circulation element is not saying you need to have an intersection improvement there. It's just anticipating that that's going to be part of the overall roadway network improvements that will need to be addressed through the jurisdictions.
Does the plan contemplate a bridge over 217? I see Equil. Dead ends at Ward
Drive. Commissioner Americana, no it does not. So right now the very far left side of that map is the southern extension of Ward Drive and that's the current connection point that this roadway network would have there. Hasn't been any plans that we're aware of to have that as a future, working with Caltrans as a future connection point. Certainly it kind of makes sense in some certain, but there's a lot of constraints that would have to be overcome so it's not being proposed as part of this effort or any current county planning effort.
So on a slight digression I noticed on the other side of 217 at Equil There's construction of some sort of a structure that looks like a small bridge. It is like an on-ramp coming up from Kellogg that appears to be heading over 217, but it may be that they're so early in construction I have misunderstood what their
I believe that's a multimodal path as part of San Jose Creek bike path improvements that are going in that area. There is going to be a path, but it's not going to be crossing over the 217 towards Goleta Beach, there will be an improved path for that bikeway under 217 where that's already elevated deck. But there is no proposal for anything that would go over 217.
And certainly nothing that would support vehicular access? Correct. OK. And then the text talks about two bridges. And I'm looking on the map that's displayed on the wall, there are two sort of purple Spots, one on the right side of the map and one near the bottom of the map. Those are the two bridges, right?
COMMISSIONER MARK CONNOR through the chair, so in the north portion of the map where Equal Street is, both of those do not exist today. Both the purple dashes would be the class 1 multimodal path and the bridge does not exist. On the southern portion, what's shown as the purple dashes, that's the existing Atascadero bike path, multimodal path. And there's also the existing bridge over where the confluence of the Maria Ignacia Creek and Atascadero Creek.
It's shown in purple to recognize it as a slash multi-use path emergency access so that we're adding this new concept That access point is going to be planned and improved to also provide emergency access. And so that will necessitate improving the structural capacity of the existing bridge, the Southern Bridge. And that the proposed both path and bridge on Eckwill is intended to have that same purpose, serve as a multi-use class one path. But also the bridge would be structurally hardened to be sufficient as an emergency access point. And multi-use means bike path?
Multi-use in terms of bike path, joggers, walkers. OK but not regularly vehicles? Only for emergency access purpose so it have some type of bollards or working with fire department in terms to have appropriate access that would prohibit stray cars or vehicles from accessing them.
Right. OK understood. Thank you.
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Commissioner Park
I have sort of a broad question here. When I think of the rezones and housing element we worked on, we had three big projects that did get approved in further east is San Marcos Grovers in the west and I guess not in East Goleta is Glen Annie. Will they all get the same treatment circulation map? Is it part of these amendments or something different? How will that work?
Mr. Chair, Commissioners so in the area of San Marcos Ranch and Tatum there already is on the circulation element map a I think an improvement for what is it San Simeon which would be the only yeah you can kind of see it right to the right and above yellow inset So that's already shown as a proposed or desired connection point.
Kind of connects.
That would connect San Simeon to San Marcos, I believe it's well San Simeon to Turnpike but then also San Simeon to San Marcos Road so no further additions are needed any other circulation improvements out of that area would be you know new I'm going Those improvements are happening and already worked through. Gary if you want to add anything to that? As far as Glen Annie, that's actually outside of the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan. That would be within the Goleta Community Plan.
As that project advances if it's determined that similar amendments would need to be made to the Goleta Community Plan we'll certainly look at that But it's premature at this point to determine what those might necessitate. COMMISSIONER
JANET NAPOLITANO Well, that makes sense. Thanks. COMMISSIONER CHRIS RODGERS
Commissioner Ford?
Okay
I have a few questions. Keeping this map up here at the moment, I'm trying to figure out okay I can see where Goleta is and where Santa Barbara County is has there been any discussion by the city of Goleta as far as annexation and are we jumping the gun or is this the natural progression of these pieces of property?
Mr. Chair, commissioners, there has been some discussion of annexation in this area. In fact the city of Goleta has requested an extension or expansion of their sphere of influence that would cover most if not all of the South Patterson area And that is kind of the first step towards a future annexation. So it's certainly a point of discussion between the city and the county, it's a long process this isn't certainly nothing we're doing as part of this effort would really influence one way or the other any future annexation as was mentioned Because the city has jurisdiction over the roadways and intersect some of the roadways and intersections in this area any Any of those improvements will require their their approval And so there has been a lot of close coordination, and we'll continue to be close coordination with them as any of these improvements manifest
Okay. Thank you. And then also on slide 10 in the proposed amendment I have a question regarding the providing adequate emergency fire access, the wording emergency fire access rather than emergency services access. Is there a reason why we're excluding law enforcement from this by saying emergency fire or just identifying it as fire access?
Chair, I think I can answer that one. The fire department is the one that was recommending the alternative access points and they would be the primary people using it but it would be available to other emergency agencies we would just expect that fire would be the primary one to be addressing it
Okay, I just bring it up because I've seen before where it's emergency fire versus emergency services and what is built for emergency fire can sometimes be less complicated than what is built for emergency services. And I just wanted to make sure that we're not overlooking other services that would be using these access points besides the Fire Department
Yeah, it will be designed for the fire department vehicles but that would accommodate you know sheriff ambulance. We just don't anticipate those agencies being using this as likely as the Fire Department.
Okay then if we go back to the map, can you show me why it's just emergency fire and not other access? And I don't mean through access but we talked about a bicycle path, a walking path so forth. I'm just trying to understand where these Where these H20 rated bridges are going to go and what areas they're going to service on both sides of the river or the stream or the creek.
So the the bridge at the end of Equal will be a new bridge. It'll be primarily used from the multi-use path accessing the existing Maria Anastasia path going north and south, but in the case of emergency it can be used by a large vehicle such as a fire engine on it. The bridge that would be installed will be able to have that capacity. The bridge to the south is an existing bridge And, you know, it goes on the Oburn Trail. So it's the same alignment of the existing trail there.
It would just be an upgrade to the bridge to accommodate the larger vehicle.
OK. Larger and heavier vehicle?
Yes.
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I think my question's been answered. I'm still not quite sure on emergency fire versus emergency services.
If I can address that, there is no exclusion to the other emergency services. It's just this has been designed for the Fire Department vehicles and that's why we were calling out the fire on this and we've been working with the Fire Marshall on these And they usually represent all the emergency services at these meetings.
Mr. Chair, commissioners I think to your point and potentially to avoid any confusion down the road we could just take out the word fire and it would just say for emergency access
that works for me but thank you then that ends that discussion okay thank you Commissioner Mary Connor so There
was a letter that was received from the city of Goleta in the last few days. And I take it you've seen it, in which they asked to have this matter postponed for some undetermined period of time, I guess so that you and the staff over at Goleta can have further discussions. Would a postponement create any practical or other problems for you?
Commissioner Americana through the chair yes we would recommend against postponement of this issue as was indicated there has been a despite their comment letter there has been a lot of coordination with the city including their traffic engineers and traffic consultants as these projects have that are currently in process have been identifying improvements And those would continue.
We would request that, because again this map is not dictating any particular improvement it's just these are lines and rectangles on a map but they do help set the stage for ensuring that the appropriate improvements get designed and developed as part of these projects We do, because of the active nature of a lot of the applications within this area currently, timing is important. So continued delay could create problems and we would request that your commission go ahead make the recommendation up to the board so that we can move this project along. And then Gary, if there's anything you wanted to add from your department's perspective?
I think you covered it well. You know this, I'll just reinstate it. Public Works sees this as a roadmap for just general discussion and layout so we can move forward with the developers give them clear indication of what we're expecting and what the alignments will be and like Alex said any delay in this is just not going to delay the projects moving forward but will delay a clear understanding of what we are asking them to do OK,
thank you. Commissioner
Park? I'm glad Mr. Mayor O'Connor asked this question because I intended to ask something like it. From the email I received from our staff and from looking online, I didn't actually see a new letter from the city of Goleta. I saw a letter from September 2025 And then I, but in the email I got and there was also an attachment of the staff report or current staff report and an attachment to the plan. But I didn't actually see an attachment of the letter itself. There's a new 2026 one.
But there is one. And is it substantive? Or it's just asking for continuance? But no substantive comments?
Commissioner Park through the chair so the comments are they They have concerns about some of the intersection improvements or even the potential for new interchanges or intersections along Hollister and want to continue dialogue and discussion about where the appropriate improvements would go and how they'd be designed. So a continuance to further discuss those issues.
And I think our response to that, both from Public Works and Planning and Development is that those again these are just lines on a map and help provide a framework for those conversations to continue to occur. We certainly understand that any improvements within the City of Galita's jurisdiction will require their approval. And nothing just by virtue of having rectangles on a map here That won't obviate or negate that requirement. So we do expect continued coordination and collaboration with them as these projects move forward, and these maps will only help to inform those conversations and provide the support necessary for us to be able to work with developers and work with the city on these future improvements.
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Mr. Park, through the chair, just I would add we didn't really call it on this map but on the Georgie property which is kind of the northwestern property there that fronts Hollister, that gray dashed line, it's just showing an anticipated private road that was going to serve that so we're not proposing that as—we are not anticipating that be a public road connection that we would have at classification.
And one of the comments in the City of Goleta's letter, certainly they highlighted their concern about additional access points to Hollister and particularly at St. Joseph's which would be that far western Hollister rectangle there. So those conversations were still going to happen regardless with the city and the Georgia development and the county in terms of the appropriate access locations whether it'd be off a ward or to Hollister.
The Patterson Avenue intersection and Seminole Garden intersections, those are existing intersections that are serving development currently. They may, and they're within the city's certainly jurisdiction to look at future improvements that they also deem appropriate so we anticipate that there's going to be some whether it's a new turning lane but some you know improvements anticipated Those conversations, as both Mr. Smart and Mr. Tittle mentioned are going to be continuing with the city.
And so we would support moving forward with the planning maps that we're presenting to you today.
Can I ask a quick question? during the presentation, but I would also just restate the fact that having these maps in our plan will then allow us to more easily apply future impact fees to these future improvements. And that's a critical piece because otherwise we collect all these fees but can't necessarily apply them to the area where they're needed. And so in that respect, no one should be concerned or be rejecting this proposal because it will only help support that these improvements ultimately get designed and built in these locations where they'll be most impactful. CHRIS RODGERS.
That's a great distinction. Thank you very much. Commissioner Ford?
Thanks. I'm glad that the letter was brought up. I do have one clarification I need, which is they say they to your point about St. Joseph Street, they oppose the proposed access to St. Joseph Street. Does our approval of this circulate these circulation maps or this map negate their opposition?
Commissioner Ford through the chair, no.
That's what I thought. OK.
Mr. Chair, just also wanted to provide a little more context that we really didn't cover but certainly with Gary he could provide some timing. Also, the importance of the timing of getting this in place concurrently. Public Works is in the process of updating the GTIP that would reflect these improvements and they're going to be taking it goes directly to the board. It doesn't come to your commission but it's going to be closely trailing this item.
You're probably seeking to get it maybe I believe by the end of the year to the board And so the importance of that with the map helps really effectuate a lot of the planning as these projects come through and working with the developers. So we didn't really highlight that the GTIP is concurrently being taken forward to the board shortly, so I just want to make you aware of that.
Thank you. Chairman, that is correct we're trying to take that before the end of the year and if it helps I don't know if this has already been said but the outline of orange between the city in the county everything that's in the city even though shown on this map is not something we're looking at today. The city has full discretion over their city and so that connection if you can notice Somita Gardens that's completely in the city going up to Hollister so that would be
At this point, do we open it up to public comment? Mr. Villalobos, do you have any speaker requests?
I do have one speaker slip if anyone else would like to speak please fill one out and I have one speaker online Our first speaker again is Laurel Fisher-Perez.
Good afternoon again Mr. Chair, Commissioners I'm Laurel Fisher-Perez with SEPS Land Use Consulting and I'm here today in support of staff's recommendation to approve the proposed circulation amendments to the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan. These amendments are an important and necessary follow up to the county's recent housing element implementation efforts and the rezoning of properties in the South Patterson Thank you.
Once the county made the policy decision to rezone these properties for housing, it became critically important to ensure that the circulation network evolves alongside that growth. So housing and transportation planning as we know go hand in hand and here we are really in a catch-up mode to a certain degree. These amendments acknowledge that reality by identifying merely the likely location Thank you.
These lines on the map, these likely areas for future circulation improvements will help ensure that the housing projects are integrated into a connected transportation network rather than relying on piecemeal solutions developed project by project. And importantly, and this is critical. And thank you Mr. Tuttle for emphasizing this identifying these likely improvements in the circulation element and ultimately in the portions of the GTIP that are within the county's boundaries allows for the impact fees which are substantial that will be collected from these housing developments to be utilized for further planning of these improvements coordination with other agencies as necessary and ultimately implementation of improvements once permitted by the various agencies that have to approve them, including the City of Goleta.
So without these lines on the map and without the incorporation of these potential improvements in the GTIP which stands for the Goleta Transportation Improvement Plan, the impact fees collected from these housing developments cannot be utilized for improvements within the region that they impact So that's really important. These proposed amendments also advance broader community goals by emphasizing multimodal transportation and you'll, you note several areas of improvements there which is so important to our community. I don't know if you've noticed the increase in users on the Obern Trail and I know I'm running out of time but as a result of those improvements a lot more people are getting on their bikes and riding out to UCSB and back to City College But also the emergency access we talked about in coordination, further coordination with the cities of Goleta and Santa Barbara.
So for these reasons I ask that you support staff's recommendation.
Thank you. Thank
you. Our next speaker will be Mark Shatillo
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Good afternoon again, Mr. Chair members of the Commission I'm Mark Chatillo speaking on behalf of the Committees for Land Air Water and Species appreciate very much the discussion and I agree with Miss Perez Fisher the importance of integrating transportation and land use. And I think we do have some concerns and would Suggest that it may be appropriate to give a little more time in this process to allow additional community engagement since these maps really just became available.
Despite a request earlier on, they just became available late last week. And that is the reason for the City of Goleta's letter, which was dated on the 29th saying we didn't see these maps until they get posted to the agenda. Well this does provide a framework with the action on the GTIP it locks in more than I think then staff is intimating here and it's important that we do get it right.
Several issues. One is CEQA, and under CEQA when you rely on a prior environmental document which found there were class one significant impacts and you're involved in a project that implicates those impacts it's incumbent upon the agency, the county to see if its actions can further ameliorate any of those class one impacts. You can't just take that class one impact and say we don't have to address that issue in further future decision makings, and there's three particular issues that I think should be addressed and don't appear to be the first is emergency evacuation much of the South Patterson community existing community is a single access community so they don't have the options to evacuate Other than on the single road, Patterson Avenue which is going to be very significantly impacted by these projects.
The Moore Mesa area is considered to be a high fire hazard area and there is a requirement under AB 747 that evacuation analyses be conducted in order to ensure that there will be the opportunity to evacuate communities from such areas. The second issue is flooding. How is this transportation system going to perform? This whole area's very low-lying and exposed to sea level rise, and so with two, four, six feet of sea level rise what portions of this transportation system are going to function? And then finally the issue of recreation again a significant impact from identified in the housing element integration of the transportation network and importantly to facilitate the ability of the residents to be able to access the county's recreational facilities out at Goleta Beach and elsewhere are critical.
So I'll close in just urging that we integrate, that the County allow the City who is clearly going to be bearing the primary brunt of the transportation impact from these decisions in these projects To allow the city, the opportunity to consider these maps allow the public to examine it. I don't know that there's been much community involvement. There's a number of ways and other organizations that would be interested in this so we'd ask that your.
Commission, consider these issues and consider postponing this for a short period of time to allow some additional community conversation. And ideally to address the concerns in the city of Goleta. Thank you Mr. Chair. CHRIS RODGERS.
Thank you very much for your comments. Are there any other speakers? Mr. Villalobos. VINNY VILLALOBOS.
We have no additional speakers online. I don't see anyone else rising from the audience. Concluded with public comment.
OK, do we want to go back to staff comment on the public comments? And if there is none, we'll go to the commissioners. No comments. OK. We're back to the planning commissioners? No further comment?
Usually I like to hear from the second district first, their district Are you pro against? What are your thoughts on continuance, anything like
that? I think I made that clear but maybe not clear enough. And that is, I think this looks great and I support it and I don't think we need to continue.
OK. And just for clarification, we're here to accept these proposed amendments. And the amendments are as stated on slides 9 and 10. So may I ask you to please show the amendments?
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OK. Yes, Mr. Chair that's correct so these are the proposed amendments as you mentioned slides 9 and 10 I wouldn't quite say you're opposed to accept them you're opposed to make a recommendation to the Board of Supervisors when we go to them they'll
thank you no absolutely thank you very much
for the clarification
And then just further clarification, if we did want to revise that text on slide 10 to remove the word fire so it's applicable to provide adequate emergency access then that could be incorporated into any motion.
I mean, that's not a deal breaker for me if it's acceptable to you.
It's part of the recommended text amendments. CHRIS
JERRAMS. Thank you. OK, at this point I'm looking for a motion. COMMISSIONER LEWIS CARPENTER.
Actually, I have a comment.
CHRIS JERRAMS. OK, thank you Commissioner Mary Connor. COMMISSIONER LEWIS CARPENTER.
Thank you. The map that's before us and the language that's before us is to amend a portion of the county's general plan This is a decision not to approve a project, not to approve an alignment of the street or the improvements of any intersection. It is simply to stake county policy with respect to this neighborhood and these improvements. I haven't seen or read anything that suggests that the improvements that are talked about aren't shown in the text and the map that's before us are a bad idea. They're in the wrong place.
It shouldn't be built at all. I haven't seen or heard any evidence to suggest that the policy we're being asked to establish here by this general plan amendment is a mistake. What we've heard comment on from our public speakers and from the city of Goleta is process. It's there should be more discussion, there should be more involvement, there should be more input all of which I think is both wise and inevitable.
If taking this action today makes it possible for the county to secure the funds from the private developers to pay for these improvements, then I don't see a reason to delay that. In fact, that's maybe the only way we secure the funds necessary to make these improvements. And these improvements are going to be essential for the housing that's going to go into this neighborhood.
So weighing all of that together, I've come to the conclusion that moving ahead with this makes sense because the binding decisions with respect to this neighborhood and these improvements are going to be made down the road. No pun intended. And that we're simply setting the stage for that future set of decisions So I will, unless somebody else wants to do it like the second district representative.
I do.
OK. Then I'm going to defer to my colleague from the second district. Chair and
Commissioner Ford, just a friendly hint when you make the motion under I would like to make a comment.
Like Commissioner Ford, I think it's worthwhile to support these recommendations. Personally, I'm inclined to grant a continuance but I would generally defer to the commissioner whose district matter lies, Commissioner Ford and she's not inclined to make that motion and I'm not hearing support for a motion of that sort from the other commissioners so I won't make the motion myself.
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Commissioner Ford? MARY
ANN BORGESON. I'd like to make a recommendation that we make the required findings as mentioned in bullet number one and recommend the board determine the proposed amendments are covered by the 2023-2021 housing element, PER, that we recommend the board determine the proposed amendments in the coastal zone is exempt from CEQA And that we adopt a resolution as amended recommending the board approve the Eastern Goleta Valley Community Plan Circulation Amendments, attachment C with revisions as suggested.
MARC
KRAFTINGER. Second. CHRIS JERRAM. All in favor? ALL. Aye. CHRIS JERRAM Okay motion carries four approvals none against OK. Unless there are any other comments, I believe we will end today's Planning Commission meeting. Thank you very much. And Chair, we'll be back on October 21st. October 21st, thank you.